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Re: Joshua Poythress, Jr., of Flowerdew Hundred, 5th GenerationMichael TutorI grabbed a few quick references that I have posted below. You may or may
not conclude as I have.

Dorman has written in his new book that he believes that Robert Poythress
married Elizabeth Cocke, the daughter of James Cocke and Elizabeth
Pleasants. In his earlier works, he quoted Thomas Poythress as Elizabeth
Cocke's husband. In Batte's work, Batte had shown Thomas Poythress as the
son of the older John Poythress who was the first cousin of John Poythress,
Jr. John Poythress, Jr., in his 1724 Will, named Thomas Poythress as his
brother. Thomas Poythress owned land adjoining Woodyard. His niece,
Elizabeth Poythress Cocke, mentioned Woodyard's in her Will.

As to John Poythress, Jr., of the 1724 Will:

John Poythress was born about 1681, in Charles City County, the son of
Francis Poythress and Rebecca Coggin. He married Mary (Hardyman?) about
1710. Their children were (1) John Poythress (c. 1711-bef. 6/1760); (2)
Frances Poythress, (3) Rebecca Poythress, (4) Elizabeth Poythress (c.
1720-bef. 7/1801), who married James Cocke; (5) William Poythress, and (6)
Anne Poythress. John Poythress was dead before May 12, 1724.

As to Elizabeth Poythress Cocke:

July, 1801, in Prince George County, the Will of Elizabeth Cocke, dated
1800.
To Elizabeth Cocke, 400 acres, the plantation she bought of Richard
Harrison, also 100 acres, adjoining it known by the name of the Woodyard.
To James Cocke, the land she inherited "by the death of her brother, John
Poythress, called Goodwine, also the land she purchased of John Worthen.
To Benjamin Cocke, the remainder of Woodyard after deducting 300 acres
devised to her daughter, Elizabeth." (Woodyard was described as being 12
miles east of the Prince George courthouse).

As to Doctor James Cocke:

November, 1809, Chapter 63, laws of Maryland under the control and direction
of the levy court, and by them applied towards defraying the county charges.
Passed, January 6, 1810, an Act authorizing Doctor James Cocke to remove
certain negroes into the state of Maryland. Whereas the said James Cocke
has, by his petition set forth, that in the year 1804, he removed from
Virginia to this state, but being then undetermined as to the place of his
permanent residence, he did not avail himself of the power he enjoyed under
the acts of assembly, to bring into this state, at the time of his said
removal, or within 12 months thereafter, certain negroes which he was
entitled to, and possessed of, under the last will and testament of his
grandfather John Poythress, and his father James Cocke, and has prayed that
a law may pass, authorizing him to remove the said negroes, as slaves, from
the state of Virginia into the state of Maryland, in the same manner that he
could have done at the time of his removal as aforesaid; and the prayer of
the said petition appearing reasonable, therefore, be it enacted, by the
General Assembly of Maryland, that the said James Cocke be and he is hereby
authorised and empowered, at any time or times within 12 months after the
passage of this act, to remove and bring into this state the said negro
slaves, or any of them, and their issue, in the same manner that he might or
could have done at the time of his own removal herein, any law to the
contrary thereof in any wise notwithstanding, provided the said doctor James
Cocke register the said negroes, and their issue, in Baltimore County court,
in the same manner as he by law would have been compelled to do had he have
brought them into this state within one year after his removal from Virginia
as aforesaid, and provided said negroes be of that description allowed by
the laws of this state to be removed and brought into this state. The
document showed that Dr. James Cocke was the son of James Cocke and the
grandson of John Poythress, Jr.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Jones"
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Joshua Poythress, Jr., of Flowerdew Hundred, 5th Generation


>
>
> Michael Tutor wrote: I have listed only two
> daughters for Joshua and Elizabeth Robertson
> Poythress. Elizabeth Robertson Poythress was the daughter of Archibald
> Robertson and Elizabeth Fitzgerald. Elizabeth Fitzgerald was the daughter
> of
> John Fitzgerald and Elizabeth Poythress. Elizabeth Poythress was the
> daughter of John Poythress and Christian Peebles. The number of women in
> the
> Poythress family and associated families can cause as much confusion as
> the
> many men in the family named Francis, John and William.
>
> The Fifth Generation: Joshua Poythress, Jr., of Flowerdew Hundred
> R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Poythress, Jr.
> [211 1 Joshua Poythress (- 1794), m. Elizabeth Robertson, daughter of
> Archibald and Elizabeth (Fitzgerald) Robertson. Joshua and his wife were
> second cousins. They lived and died at Flowerdew Hundred and both were
> there
> buried. She died 7 September 1787.
> 211 11 Elizabeth Poythress. Shown as a child of Joshua and Elizabeth
> (Robertson) Poythress in the notes on the Robertson family made by Gov.
> Wyndham Robertson. Elizabeth (Robertson) Poythress was the governor's
> aunt.
> He certainly would have had personal knowledge of her children. Several
> printed accounts of the Cocke and Poythress families state that James
> Cocke,
> son of Benjamin, married Elizabeth Poythress, daughter of Joshua, without
> identifying the Joshua, and that they had a daughter Elizabeth Cocke who
> married Jacob Hoffman. As to this last couple there can be no doubt. In
> 1955
> I ran across a monument in the cemetery in Leesburg inscribed: "In memory
> of
> Jacob Hoffman/and his wife/ Elizabeth Cocke/and their children/erected by
> their grand-daughter/1928." If the mother of this Elizabeth Cocke had
> indeed
> been the daughter of any Joshua Poythress at all she would have to have
> been
> the daughter of Joshua 211 1. She could not possibly been the daughter of
> Joshua 211 and Mary Short, for their daughter Elizabeth (as we shall see
> later) married Simon Fraser in 1775. Elizabeth Poythress who married James
> Cocke is said to have died in 1800. Tentatively I place her here. [Batte
> refers to Wyndham Robertson as "Governor." I expect we may assume that
> this
> Wyndham Robertson (or one of his descendants) is the author of "Pocahontas
> and her Descendants."]
>
> I haven't doublechecked, but my notes say Batte has Elizabeth as the
> daughter of Thomas Poythress (b.1677) and Elizabeth Pleasants Cocke.
>
> -- Randy Jones
>
>
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>		01/01/2006 8:42:10
RE: Write-ups sought for East Georgia settlersJohn M. PoythressMaynard,
Hardyman witnessed a deed for a Green? Do you have this? Was it in GA?
Crystal

Crystal:

Well, close. Here it is:

Greene County
GDAH Drawer 32/ Roll 21
Greene County, Georgia Superior Court Minutes Vol. 8, (1831-1839)
Thursday, 14 March 1833
Page 171: John Chew v. Albert T. Green
It appearing to the court that the property levied upon by the above
attachment is of a perishable nature, it is on motion of counsel ordered
that the property be sold and the proceeds be deposited to the clerk's
office to wait the further order of the Court.
Signed: Augustus Wallace, Silas Burns,
etc., Hardiman Poythress, etc. (petit jurors
for the case)

Maynard		01/02/2006 5:00:16
been missing this one.......John M. PoythressGeneral Land Office Records Web Site Reconnected in BLM-Eastern States
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announcements will be made as other sites are reconnected.		01/02/2006 9:15:21
RE: Write-ups sought for East Georgia settlersCrystalMaynard,
Hardyman witnessed a deed for a Green? Do you have this? Was it in GA?

Crystal

-----Original Message-----
>From: "John M. Poythress"
>Sent: Dec 31, 2005 12:22 PM
>To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: RE: Write-ups sought for East Georgia settlers
>
>Interesting that "their ground" is really NORTH-East
>Georgia inasmuch as it excludes Screven & Burke, both of which are dead
>in the middle of Georgia latitude and about as far east as you can
>get....if one swims the next 150 yards east from Burke or Screven (the
>Savannah R. in theory belongs to GA) he or she is then out of GA and I'm
>reckoning that's about as far east as one can get.
>
>Whatever, they're paying the dues, they can call their tune.
>
>I will be following their webpage though....they include Greene County
>to which (I'm trying to convince myself) a Francis Poythress immigrated
>independent of (and likely before)the Thomas crowd that went to Burke.
>I'm also inclined to think that the Hardiman Poythress fellow who shows
>up only once witnessing a Greene deed or something is his brother or
>perhaps son.
>
>And George himself fiddled around with some real estate in Wilkes County
>when he got his hands on his rich new wife's money.
>
>Thanks for keeping us posted, Barb.
>
>Maynard
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
>Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:24 PM
>To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Write-ups sought for East Georgia settlers
>
>A friend mentioned this to me & I thought the below appeal would be of
>interest to some of you who may have had ancestors who were early
>settlers in east Georgia.
>
>Faye Poss (fayeposs@aol.com) and Patsy Harris (patsydudney@yahoo.com)
>have been working hard the last few years editing, researching, and
>indexing 150+ family sketches that have been sent in for publication
>in "East Georgia Settlers." They need more articles. Each
>sketch/article should be regarding one family group who moved to one of
>the EGGS counties from some other area. If you have any questions, or
>want to see a sample sketch/article, email either of these ladies with
>EGGS:
>Patsy Harris (patsydudney@yahoo.com)
>or Faye Poss (fayeposs@aol.com)
>
>EGGS counties are: Banks, Barrow, Butts, Clarke, Columbia, Elbert,
>Franklin, Glascock, Greene, Gwinnett, Hancock, Hart, Jackson, Jasper,
>Lincoln, Madison, McDuffie, Morgan, Newton, Oconee, Oglethorpe, Putnam,
>Rockdale, Stephens, Taliaferro, Walton, Warren and Wilkes.
>
>The EGGS has a website you may wish to see:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaeggs/
>
>One does not have to be a member of EGGS (East Georgia Genealogical
>Society) to enter a sketch/article. Again, for more info, or questions,
>or if you want to see a sample sketch/article, email either of these
>ladies with EGGS:
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>or Faye Poss (fayeposs@aol.com)
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>		01/02/2006 12:35:42
Re: Joshua Poythress, Jr., of Flowerdew Hundred, 5th GenerationRandy JonesThanks for the additional information. I wonder where Dorman got his information?

-- Randy Jones

Michael Tutor wrote:
I grabbed a few quick references that I have posted below. You may or may
not conclude as I have.

Dorman has written in his new book that he believes that Robert Poythress
married Elizabeth Cocke, the daughter of James Cocke and Elizabeth
Pleasants. In his earlier works, he quoted Thomas Poythress as Elizabeth
Cocke's husband. In Batte's work, Batte had shown Thomas Poythress as the
son of the older John Poythress who was the first cousin of John Poythress,
Jr. John Poythress, Jr., in his 1724 Will, named Thomas Poythress as his
brother. Thomas Poythress owned land adjoining Woodyard. His niece,
Elizabeth Poythress Cocke, mentioned Woodyard's in her Will.

As to John Poythress, Jr., of the 1724 Will:

John Poythress was born about 1681, in Charles City County, the son of
Francis Poythress and Rebecca Coggin. He married Mary (Hardyman?) about
1710. Their children were (1) John Poythress (c. 1711-bef. 6/1760); (2)
Frances Poythress, (3) Rebecca Poythress, (4) Elizabeth Poythress (c.
1720-bef. 7/1801), who married James Cocke; (5) William Poythress, and (6)
Anne Poythress. John Poythress was dead before May 12, 1724.

As to Elizabeth Poythress Cocke:

July, 1801, in Prince George County, the Will of Elizabeth Cocke, dated
1800.
To Elizabeth Cocke, 400 acres, the plantation she bought of Richard
Harrison, also 100 acres, adjoining it known by the name of the Woodyard.
To James Cocke, the land she inherited "by the death of her brother, John
Poythress, called Goodwine, also the land she purchased of John Worthen.
To Benjamin Cocke, the remainder of Woodyard after deducting 300 acres
devised to her daughter, Elizabeth." (Woodyard was described as being 12
miles east of the Prince George courthouse).

As to Doctor James Cocke:

November, 1809, Chapter 63, laws of Maryland under the control and direction
of the levy court, and by them applied towards defraying the county charges.
Passed, January 6, 1810, an Act authorizing Doctor James Cocke to remove
certain negroes into the state of Maryland. Whereas the said James Cocke
has, by his petition set forth, that in the year 1804, he removed from
Virginia to this state, but being then undetermined as to the place of his
permanent residence, he did not avail himself of the power he enjoyed under
the acts of assembly, to bring into this state, at the time of his said
removal, or within 12 months thereafter, certain negroes which he was
entitled to, and possessed of, under the last will and testament of his
grandfather John Poythress, and his father James Cocke, and has prayed that
a law may pass, authorizing him to remove the said negroes, as slaves, from
the state of Virginia into the state of Maryland, in the same manner that he
could have done at the time of his removal as aforesaid; and the prayer of
the said petition appearing reasonable, therefore, be it enacted, by the
General Assembly of Maryland, that the said James Cocke be and he is hereby
authorised and empowered, at any time or times within 12 months after the
passage of this act, to remove and bring into this state the said negro
slaves, or any of them, and their issue, in the same manner that he might or
could have done at the time of his own removal herein, any law to the
contrary thereof in any wise notwithstanding, provided the said doctor James
Cocke register the said negroes, and their issue, in Baltimore County court,
in the same manner as he by law would have been compelled to do had he have
brought them into this state within one year after his removal from Virginia
as aforesaid, and provided said negroes be of that description allowed by
the laws of this state to be removed and brought into this state. The
document showed that Dr. James Cocke was the son of James Cocke and the
grandson of John Poythress, Jr.

01/07/2006 10:09:40
Re: Joshua Poythress, Jr., of Flowerdew Hundred, 5th GenerationMichael TutorDorman has been quite a while getting his second volume completed.
Hopefully, his new work on volumes two and three will provide some insight.
He evidently found something in his research to cause him to change his
opinion on Elizabeth Cocke's husband.......Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Jones"
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Joshua Poythress, Jr., of Flowerdew Hundred, 5th Generation


> Thanks for the additional information. I wonder where Dorman got his
> information?
>
> -- Randy Jones
>
> Michael Tutor wrote:
> I grabbed a few quick references that I have posted below. You may or may
> not conclude as I have.
>
> Dorman has written in his new book that he believes that Robert Poythress
> married Elizabeth Cocke, the daughter of James Cocke and Elizabeth
> Pleasants. In his earlier works, he quoted Thomas Poythress as Elizabeth
> Cocke's husband. In Batte's work, Batte had shown Thomas Poythress as the
> son of the older John Poythress who was the first cousin of John
> Poythress,
> Jr. John Poythress, Jr., in his 1724 Will, named Thomas Poythress as his
> brother. Thomas Poythress owned land adjoining Woodyard. His niece,
> Elizabeth Poythress Cocke, mentioned Woodyard's in her Will.
>
> As to John Poythress, Jr., of the 1724 Will:
>
> John Poythress was born about 1681, in Charles City County, the son of
> Francis Poythress and Rebecca Coggin. He married Mary (Hardyman?) about
> 1710. Their children were (1) John Poythress (c. 1711-bef. 6/1760); (2)
> Frances Poythress, (3) Rebecca Poythress, (4) Elizabeth Poythress (c.
> 1720-bef. 7/1801), who married James Cocke; (5) William Poythress, and (6)
> Anne Poythress. John Poythress was dead before May 12, 1724.
>
> As to Elizabeth Poythress Cocke:
>
> July, 1801, in Prince George County, the Will of Elizabeth Cocke, dated
> 1800.
> To Elizabeth Cocke, 400 acres, the plantation she bought of Richard
> Harrison, also 100 acres, adjoining it known by the name of the Woodyard.
> To James Cocke, the land she inherited "by the death of her brother, John
> Poythress, called Goodwine, also the land she purchased of John Worthen.
> To Benjamin Cocke, the remainder of Woodyard after deducting 300 acres
> devised to her daughter, Elizabeth." (Woodyard was described as being 12
> miles east of the Prince George courthouse).
>
> As to Doctor James Cocke:
>
> November, 1809, Chapter 63, laws of Maryland under the control and
> direction
> of the levy court, and by them applied towards defraying the county
> charges.
> Passed, January 6, 1810, an Act authorizing Doctor James Cocke to remove
> certain negroes into the state of Maryland. Whereas the said James Cocke
> has, by his petition set forth, that in the year 1804, he removed from
> Virginia to this state, but being then undetermined as to the place of his
> permanent residence, he did not avail himself of the power he enjoyed
> under
> the acts of assembly, to bring into this state, at the time of his said
> removal, or within 12 months thereafter, certain negroes which he was
> entitled to, and possessed of, under the last will and testament of his
> grandfather John Poythress, and his father James Cocke, and has prayed
> that
> a law may pass, authorizing him to remove the said negroes, as slaves,
> from
> the state of Virginia into the state of Maryland, in the same manner that
> he
> could have done at the time of his removal as aforesaid; and the prayer of
> the said petition appearing reasonable, therefore, be it enacted, by the
> General Assembly of Maryland, that the said James Cocke be and he is
> hereby
> authorised and empowered, at any time or times within 12 months after the
> passage of this act, to remove and bring into this state the said negro
> slaves, or any of them, and their issue, in the same manner that he might
> or
> could have done at the time of his own removal herein, any law to the
> contrary thereof in any wise notwithstanding, provided the said doctor
> James
> Cocke register the said negroes, and their issue, in Baltimore County
> court,
> in the same manner as he by law would have been compelled to do had he
> have
> brought them into this state within one year after his removal from
> Virginia
> as aforesaid, and provided said negroes be of that description allowed by
> the laws of this state to be removed and brought into this state. The
> document showed that Dr. James Cocke was the son of James Cocke and the
> grandson of John Poythress, Jr.
>
>		01/08/2006 8:10:09
Captain John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George County, 3rd GenerationMichael TutorThe John Poythresses, the William Poythresses and the Francis Poythresses
have been saved for last because there are so many of them and due to the
fact that it is hard to separate their lives. Once these are complete, we
will work on the Thomas Poythress line as that line seems to have the most
descendants and will be the main focus once we get started on Thomas
Poythress' many descendants.

As Deloris Wynne-Riley has so aptly mentioned, there are a lot of "internet
genealogists" that will take the printed word on the internet as gospel. I
will say again that these "life stories" are not the last word. There are
many records that have not been found and studied. We are working with the
known records today just as Hall, Smith, Batte and the other respected
genealogists made their studies during their lifetimes. At present, Dorman
is completing his research in order to produce Volume 2 and 3 of
"Adventurers of Purse and Person."

The "life stories" posted to this website have been an effort to form a
somewhat firm foundation from which to work. The format is not exactly
reader friendly but should provide a basic format for comparison and
evaluation. Each life story identifies an individual family member, his
approximate life span, his immediate family members, his profession, his
activities, his property and any inheritance or association with collateral
lines.

It will still require hours of comparison, research and study of the
Poythress "family tree," deed transactions and inheritances, census
comparisons, "virtual censuses," military records, historical events, family
associations, group associations, court records, business records, tax
records, family lore, etc., to finally delineate the individual members of
the Poythress family. However, once the records have been evaluated word for
word and the existence of each individual identified, further development of
the "family tree" will inevitably lead to further undeniable conclusions.

The final word will remain with the individual serious researcher to
determine the validity of any conclusions based upon the written records and
facts.

As my usual caution, I will repeat that a project of this magnitude will
incur mistakes and typographical errors.

This posting and the one to follow will be an attempt to identify the lives
of Captain John Poythress, Sr., and Captain John Poythress, Jr. The
conclusion as to whether John Poythress, Sr., had a son Thomas or whether
Thomas was a brother of John Poythress, Jr., and therefore a son of Major
Francis Poythress will have to be made by each reader based upon the
records. John Poythress, Sr., and John Poythress, Jr., were first cousins.

The Third Generation: Captain John Poythress, of Prince George County
R. Bolling Batte on John Poythress
[26 John Poythress m. Mary Batte, daughter of Henry and Mary (Lound) Batte.
To avoid confusion with his first cousin John Poythress 43 (whose wife was
also named Mary), this John was usually designated as "Sen." or "Sr." while
cousin John was designated as "Jun." or "Jr." In 1720, John Poythress, Sr.,
and Mary, his wife, together with four other couples, the five wives all
being daughters of Henry Batte, deceased., join in deed of partition whereby
they divide 1200 acres in Prince George left by the will of Henry Batte to
his daughters. John Poythress, Sr., was a captain in the militia and he
represented Pr. Geo. in the House of Burgesses in 1723 and 1726. In 1727, as
Capt. John Poythress he was granted 225 acres on the south side of the
Meherrin, which land later fell into Brunswick County. The identical land
was sold in 1773 by one Thomas Poythress who may have been a son or grandson
of John, Sr.]
[10. John Poythress (John Poythress2, Mary ______1) was born ABT 1664 in VA
[(P_1) BF], and died AFT 1726. He married Mary Batte 1689, daughter of Henry
Batte and Mary Lound. She was born 1670 in VA [BATTE 142] [(P_1) BF (W)],
and died 1760.
Child of John Poythress and Mary Batte is:
+ 36 i. Thomas Poythress was born AFT 1689 in VA [(P_1) BFA] Martin Brandon
Parish, Prince George County, and died in VA [Batte 142 A].]

Family
John Poythress was born about 1674, in Charles City County, the son of John
Poythress and Christian Peebles. He married Mary Batte, the daughter of
Henry Batte and Mary Lound. He died after May 27, 1726.

Inheritance
On December 11, 1712, the Will of John's father, John Poythress, Sr., of
Prince George County, was proved by John Winningham, Peter Leeth and William
Stainback. John Poythress, Sr., appointed his half-brothers, Thomas Wynne
and Joshua Wynne, and his friend, William Stainback, to divide his estate.
He appointed John's mother, Christian, and John Poythress, to be executors
of his Will. He named his two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
Stainback to divide his estate. He gave his son, John, two negroes, Bess and
Nanny, and their increase, and an equal share of his moveable estate. John,
and his brother, Peter, were to give an account of what they had in hand.
The witnesses of the Will were John Winningham, Peter Leeth, Thomas Leeth
and William Stainback.

On December 9, 1712, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George
County, deeded to Thomas Poythress, of the same, for £20, all of my tract in
Westover parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John Winningham,
the said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, being the dividing line of
Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were Edward
Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.

In June, 1717, in Prince George County, in the suit in Chancery brought by
Charles Anderson against John Poythress and Henry Offley, neither party
appearing, the case was dismissed. However, in another entry, Charles
Anderson, having filed a Bill in Chancery against John Poythress, executor
of John Poythress, deceased, and Henry Offley, late of London, Merchant, it
was ordered that a summons be issued against the said John Poythress and
Henry Offley to appear at the next court and answer the said charges. Under
the date of July 9, 1717, in Prince George County, was an identical entry to
the text above, regarding Charles Anderson. (It is speculated that the court
took action in July identical to that taken in June, and the clerk, seeing
no point in re-composing the entries, simply duplicated them). On August 13,
1717, in Prince George County, the suit in Chancery brought by Charles
Anderson against Henry Offley, late of London, Merchant and John Poythress,
surviving executor of the last Will and testament of John Poythress,
deceased. Thomas Simmons, sub-Sheriff, took oath to the service of the Writ
and charged Poythress and he failing to appear, an attachment was granted
the complainant against the body of the said Poythress returnable to the
next court and it was ordered that the said summons was also against the
said Offley returnable to the next court. On September 10, 1717, in Prince
George County, in the case of Charles Anderson versus Henry Offley, late of
London, Merchant, and John Poythress, executor of John Poythress, deceased,
John Poythress appeared and said that he had in his hands money enough of
Offley's to pay the plaintiff £19/1/3, and that he would pay. On December
11, 1717, in Prince George County, in the chancery suit of Walter Vernon
versus John Poythress, surviving executor of the Will of John Poythress,
deceased, the defendant appeared and was granted time to answer. On March
11, 1718, in Prince George County, in the suit of chancery of Walter Vernon
versus John Poythress, the surviving executor of John Poythress, deceased,
the plaintiff had until the next court to file a reply to the defendant's
answer. On January 13, 1719, in Prince George County, the entry was
identical to the text above regarding Charles Anderson on July 9, 1717.

Professional Life
On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address of
loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received from
Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke, Anthony
Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison, Randall
Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas Daniell,
James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, Jno. Hunt, Thomas Anderson,
James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard Bland,
Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes, George
Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The Sheriff was
Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley, Peter
Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij, Joshua
Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker, and
James Thweatt.
Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve with
Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory as
members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina line on
October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient inhabitants
of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and discover
the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies." Also they were
to ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins and
Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old inhabitants
of Prince George County that were deposed was Robert Bolling, Gentleman,
aged 61, who "hath known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more" and "Major
Wynne's quarter is on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town." Joshua
Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary Poythress
Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress (c. 1674-aft. 1724). John
Poythress was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary
Batte (c. 1674-c. 1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
James Thweat, of Bristol parish, aged 64 years or thereabouts, swore before
Benjamin Harrison, Jr., and John Hardiman, on November 12, 1707, that he had
known the River, now called Nottoway River, for 48 years or more and that it
had never been called by any other name. When he first became acquainted
with those parts, the chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south
side of the Nottaway River where Major Wynne's Quarter is now located, about
three miles above the mouth of Monksneck Creek, and some few of them lived
at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles up Monksneck creek; and two or three
families of them at Tonnatora, which is on the north side of the Nottaway
River, and that they lived at some of these places, and at Cottashowrock,
and thereabouts, until 25 or 26 years ago, and then they removed and settled
their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp at the place now called Old Town.
About 48 years ago, the Meherrin Indians lived upon the Meherrin River at
Cowochahawkon and some of them at Unote, and about 24 years ago some of them
lived at Unote and some at Taurara, but how long they lived there after that
time, he could not remember. James Thweatt (1643-), of Bristol parish, was
an officer in the Virginia militia when he signed the loyalty oath on March
12, 1702. In 1704, he owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the
Appomattox River, which was in Bristol parish, and some on the south side of
the James river which was in Jordan's parish. James Thweatt, the Elder, and
Robert Bolling were both questioned about the Virginia-North Carolina
dividing line.
On March 13, 1712, in Prince George County, the inventory and appraisal of
the estate of Edward Maine, deceased, was presented in court and the
appraisers were sworn before John Poythress. The inventory was presented by
Francis Mallory, the administrator, and it was ordered that the inventory be
recorded.
On June 14, 1715, in Prince George County, John Poythress, among others, was
listed present as a Gentleman Justice for the court. Typically, these
gentlemen justices were listed as present at the recording of each monthly
opening of the court. John Poythress was listed, among others, present as a
Gentleman Justice on July 6, 1715; August 9, 1715; and September 13, 1715.
On March 13, 1716, John Poythress and James Thweatt and others appeared in
court, took the usual oaths, signed the tests and were, accordingly, sworn
Justices of Prince George County, pursuant to a Commission of Peace, etc.,
dated December 8, 1715.
John Poythress was listed, among others, present as a Gentleman Justice of
Prince George County on April 2, 1716; June 12, 1716; and on October 9,
1716, at a court held at Merchant's Hope, in Prince George County. On March
13, 1717, in Prince George County, pursuant to the Act for appointing
Sheriffs, John Poythress, Samson Meredith and Richard Hamlin, Gentlemen
Justices, were recommended to the Honorable then Governor to execute the
office of Sheriff the ensuing year. On March 13, 1717, pursuant to a
commission of the Peace, dated December 8, 1715, John Poythress, James
Thweatt and Lewis Green, Jr., took the oaths as Justices of Prince George
County. John Poythress was listed, among others, present as a Gentleman
Justice, of Prince George County, at Merchant's Hope on May 14, 1717; June
11, 1717; October 8, 1717; December 10 and 11, 1717; January 14, 1718; and,
March 11, 1718. On March 11, 1718, in Prince George County, John Poythress,
Robert Mumford, and James Thweatt, Gentleman Justices, were recommended to
the Governor as persons fit to be Sheriff of the County. On April 9, 1718,
at a court held at Merchant's Hope, for Prince George County, for receiving
and certifying to the next session of the Assembly for Propositions,
Grievances and Public Claims of the said County, present, among others, was
John Poythress, Gentleman Justice. John Poythress was listed, among others,
present as a Gentleman Justice, of Prince George County, on June 10, 1718;
July 8, 1718; August 12, 1718; January 13, 1718/9; and, May 12, 1719.
John Poythress was listed among others as present as a Gentleman justice of
Prince George County on July 15, 1719, and on September 8, 1719.
On September 8, 1719, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, Thomas Kirkland
and William Reese made an appraisement of the estate of Phillip Jane,
deceased, sworn before John Poythress. Elizabeth Jane was the
administratrix.
John Poythress was listed among others, present, as a Gentleman Justice of
Prince George County on October 13, 1719, and on November 11, 1719.
On November 11, 1719, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Samson
Meredith and John Hardyman, among others, were present as Gentlemen
Justices. [Note: from here and sporadically forward, John Poythress appeared
to co-sign William Hamlin's order to close the court]. John Poythress was
listed among others, present, as a Gentleman Justice of Prince George County
on January 12, 1720.
On March 8, 1720, in Prince George County, pursuant to the direction of the
Act for Appointing Sheriffs, John Poythress, Robert Mumford and John
Hardyman, Gentlemen Justices, were recommended to the Honorable Lieutenant
Governor as fit and able to execute the office as Sheriff of this County for
the next ensuing year.
On March 8, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress, John Hardyman and
Louis Green, Gentlemen, were recommended to the Honorable Lieutenant
Governor, as fit and able to execute the office of Coroners of this County.
John Poythress was listed among others, present, as a Gentleman Justice of
Prince George County on March 11, 1720.
John Poythress was listed among others, present, as a Gentleman justice of
Prince George County on June 14, 1720.
On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John Poythress and
Edward Goodrich were to make oaths as Sheriffs. John Poythress and Edward
Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as Sheriff.
John Hardyman (1686-1738), son of John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married
to Henrietta Maria Taylor, daughter of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich
(1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729), daughter of Joshua
Wynne and Mary Jones.
On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Robert Poythress
and John Woodlief, having taken the official oaths of allegiance, signed the
test, were sworn vestrymen of Westover parish.
John Poythress was listed among others, present, as a Gentleman Justice of
Prince George County on August 9, 1720, and on September 13, 1720.
John Poythress was both attorney and social acquaintance to Elizabeth Taylor
Duke. On September 19, 1720, Colonel William Byrd recorded in his diary that
he dined at his home, Westover, with Mrs. Duke and her attorney, Mr.
Poythress, along with his "brother and sister Duke," James Duke and his
wife, Mary Byrd Duke.
John Poythress was listed, among others, present, as a Gentleman Justice of
Prince George County on October 31, 1720, and on January 10, 1721. On
January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Woodlief and John Poythress,
among others, were chosen Vestrymen for the parish of Martin's Brandon
parish and accordingly appeared in court and took the Oath appointed by law,
signed the test, and were sworn Vestrymen of the parish.
John Poythress, was a member of the assembly in the House of Burgesses, for
1723 to 1726. The first session of this Assembly was called for December 5,
1722, but was prorogued and did not meet until May 9, 1723. The second and
last session met May 12, 1726. He was in attendance at a meeting May 27,
1726, when the House of Burgesses petitioned the King asking retroactive
approval for a tax placed upon all imported liquors, except from Great
Britain, to fund the operation of William & Mary College; also, asking the
King to find additional monies for this purpose "out of your unappropriated
and growing Revenue of Quit Rents in this Colony, or any other way that your
Majesty shall think more proper." Signatures in the House of Burgesses for
Prince George County were Robert Bolling and John Poythress. The full text
may be found in the Swem index.

Civic Activities
On May 8, 1712, in Prince George County, an inventory and appraisal of the
estate of John Hardyman, deceased, was valued at £845/12/0 by R. Hall, John
Poythress and Edmund Irby and presented by John Hardyman, the administrator.
On April 19, 1717, in Prince George County, on the petition of John Hobbs, a
surveyor of the highways, it was ordered that Captain John Poythress'
tithables, James Bishop, William Hobbes, Peter Poythress and William
Poythress assist said Hobbs in clearing the highways.
On May 13, 1718, in Prince George County, Mr. Sampson Meredith was ordered
to take the list of tithables in Martin's Brandon parish on 10th June next;
Captain John Poythress was to do the same in Weyanoke parish on 20th June
next; Captain John Hamlin in Westover parish; and, Major Robert Bolling in
Bristol parish.
On December 9, 1718, in Prince George County, Elizabeth Duke, the relict of
Henry Duke, deceased, of this county, appeared and said that her husband had
died without a Will. She was appointed administratrix with John Hardyman her
security. Mr. John Hatch, Captain Hamlin, Captain John Poythress and Gilbert
Hay appraised and inventoried the estate of Captain Henry Duke, in Prince
George County, on January 22, 1719.
On April 14, 1719, in Prince George County, Henry Batte made oath that
Thomas Harwell, deceased, died intestate, and was granted administration of
his estate. John Poythress, Robert Poythress, John Fitzgerald and Edward
Mitchell were to take inventory.
On April 14, 1719, in Prince George County, Joshua Poythress, Robert
Poythress, John Fitzgerald and Edward Mitchell, were nominated and appointed
to appraise the estate of Thomas Harwell, deceased, and make a report of
their proceedings therein to the next court when Henry Batte, the
administrator, thereof was ordered to return the inventory.
On May 12, 1719, in Prince George County, Mr. Samson Meredith was appointed
to take a list of tithables in Martin's Brandon parish on June 10 next;
Captain John Poythress was appointed in Weyanoke parish; Mr. John Hardyman
was appointed in Westover parish; and, Major Robert Bolling was appointed in
Bristol Parish.
On June 9, 1719, in Prince George County, John Poythress, John Hatch,
William Harrison and Gilbert Hay were ordered to appraise the estate of
Randle Pratt, deceased, and make a report of their proceedings to the next
court when Henry Holder, as the executor, was to return the inventory.
On May 10, 1720, in Prince George County, the assignments of those that were
made to take the lists of tithables were John Poythress, Gentleman, in
Weyanoke parish, Samson Meredith, Gentleman in Martin's Brandon parish, etc.
A 1720 Act of the General Assembly, which took effect on January 1, 1721,
united the parts of Westover and Weyanoke on the south side of the James
River into Martin's Brandon parish. Also in 1720, Brunswick County,
Virginia, was created by an Act of the Virginia Assembly to establish a new
county from the southern part of Prince George County. The new Brunswick
being deemed insufficient in population to constitute a county, areas of the
counties of Surry and Isle of Wight were added to Brunswick in an effort to
more equally distribute the titheable individuals.
On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund Irby,
Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise the
estate of Edward Goodrich. Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to return
the inventory.
On January, 1725, in Prince George County, Captain John Poythress was to
receive by order of the court 1 pound, 12 shillings, 6 pence, from the
estate of Edward Goodrich.
On August 9, 1726, in Prince George County, John Poythress swore to an
account of the goods and chattel of Charles Goodrich.
On December 13, 1726, in Prince George County, John Poythress swore to the
inventory of chattels of Littlebury Hardyman.
On June 10, 1727, in Prince George County, John Poythress swore to the
estate inventory of William Jackson.

Court Cases
March 11, 1718, in Prince George County, in the case of Francis Epes versus
John Poythress, the plaintiff failing to prosecute, a non suit was granted
the defendant.

Property: Personal Property and Land
In November, 1708, in Surry County, it was ordered that Sarah, an Indian
slave, to John Poythress be added to the list of tithables this present
year. In September, 1709, in Surry County, upon the petition of John
Poythress, it was ordered that Sarah, his Indian slave, at Nottaway River,
be added to Mr. William Cock's list of tithables this present year.
On June 22, 1708, John Poythress, took out a patent, for 600 acres, in
Prince George County, and found that part of it was in Surry County. It was
ordered that the Surry Surveyor lay that part off, etc.
On June 8, 1714, in Prince George County, Sarah Daniel, of Westover parish,
to John Poythress, Sr., of Weyanoke parish, 50 acres of land bounded on the
west by Birchen swamp, on the north by Joseph Daniel, on the east by the
said John Poythress and on the south by Thomas Goodwyn. The witnesses were
Robert Poythress and Edward Woodlief.
On July 15, 1717, John Poythress, of Prince George County, was granted 267
acres of new land, on the south side of the main Blackwater River, in Surry
County, on the southwest side of the Indian Swamp, by the side of Beaver
Pond Swamp. This land was leased out by Robert Poythress (1690-1743) on
March 22, 1733.
On July 12, 1725, John Hardyman, of Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince
George County, sold to John Poythress, of the same parish and county, 2
acres of land, with a mill, in Prince George County, on Ward's Run bounded
by Sarah Wall and John Wilkins. John Hardyman obliged himself to title on
the penalty of £80. The witnesses were Joshua Poythress and William
Poythress. The court was at Merchant's Hope. Henrietta Maria Hardyman, the
wife of John Hardyman, released her dower.
John Poythress acquired 919 acres. Robert Poythress leased out 267 acres of
this property in 1733. One Indian slave was mentioned in the possession of
John Poythress.

Adjoining Property
On December 16, 1723, Adam Ivy, of Isle of Wight County, sold to Edward
Prince, of Prince George County, 130 acres in Martin's Brandon parish, in
Prince George County, bounded on the east by Gilbert Hay, on the south by
Robert Hobbs and Captain John Poythress, on the west by land lately sold by
Mr. Peter Poythress, and on the north by Gilbert Hay. The witnesses, Gilbert
Hay, Hugh Ivy and David Dunkesin.

Pertinent Information
In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were appointed
interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on their
trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians. In 1703, the Nottoway,
Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Major Joshua Wynne, and his
brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian interpreters for the tribes. When
a Chief of one of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas, the Wynne
brothers were asked to accompany the Indians to gain the release of the
Chief due to the impasse between the tribes and the Senecas. The Wynnes were
able to win the release of their chief and a tribal war was temporarily
averted.
On January 12, 1705, at Westover, the Will of Colonel William Byrd was
examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her majesty's Lieutenant and
Governor General, of Virginia, in the presence of the honorable Colonel
Henry Duke, one of her majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
Littlebury Epps of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City
County, Gentleman; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who
said that the original Will appeared to have been written in its entirety in
Colonel Byrd's own hand without any blot or interlineation and sealed with
his own seal.

As Witness
On May 1, 1716, in Surry County, Samuel Harwood, Jr., of Weyanoke parish, in
Charles City County, to Thomas Cocke, of Southwarke parish, in Surry County,
100 acres, on the south side of the Nottoway River, in Lawnes Creek parish,
bounded by a branch of Poplar Swamp (the land being part of 445 acres in
Isle of Wight County granted to said Samuel Harwood, Jr., on June 16, 1714).
The witnesses were John Cargill and John Poythress.
On February 14, 1721, in Prince George County, Adam Ivy returned into court,
estate of Elizabeth Ivy, ordered to be recorded. Present were John Hamlin,
John Poythress and Robert Bolling.
On May 13, 1725, William Coleman sold to John Coleman, 185 acres, on the
east side of the great branch of Whipponock Creek, in Prince George County.
After 1753, this land was in Dinwiddie County. The witnesses were Robert
Bolling, John Poythress and Drury Bolling at a court at Merchant's Hope.

Family Estates
On April 4, 1719, in Prince George County, John Drayton, one of the orphans
of Roger Drayton, deceased, chose Captain John Poythress, as his guardian.

In Prince George County, the Will of Elizabeth Ivie, of Weyanoke parish, in
Prince George County, dated April 26, 1718, proved March 8, 1719.
I give my son, George Ivie, twenty shillings, or the worth of twenty in some
commodity, as my executor shall see fit.
I give my son, Henry Ivie, a gold ring.
I give my son, John Ivie, my bed and what belongs to it.
I give my son, Gilbert Ivie, twenty shillings, or the worth of twenty.
I give my daughter, Susan Hays, a gold ring.
I give my son, Adam Ivie, and his daughter, Elizabeth Ivie, all the
remaining part of my household goods, to be equally divided between them as
he shall see fit, and I do hereby appoint my son, Adam Ivie, my sole
executor to see this my last Will and testament truly fulfilled, as witness
my hand and seal this April 26, 1718. Elizabeth Ivie. The witnesses were
Elizabeth Foster and Mary Poythress. At a Court held at Merchant's Hope for
Prince George County on the second Tuesday, March 8, 1719, the above written
last Will and testament of Elizabeth Ivie, deceased., was presented into
court by Adam Ivie, her executor, who made oath thereto, and it being proved
by the oath of Elizabeth Foster a witness thereto, is by order of the court
truly recorded. And on the motion of Adam Ivie and his giving security
according to law, Certificate is granted him for obtaining a probate in due
form. Mary Batte Poythress (1670-1760), wife of John Poythress (c.
1676-after 5/1726), was a witness to this will. Elizabeth Ivey (-1720) was
the wife of Adam Ivey (c. 1640-c. 1710).

On September 4, 1720, in Prince George County, an indenture between John
Poythress, Sr., and Mary, his wife, of Prince George County; Henry Ligon and
Elizabeth, his wife; Edward Stratton and Ann, his wife, of Henrico County;
James Parham and Rachel, his wife, of Isle of Wight County; Abraham Jones
and his wife, Sarah, of Prince George County. Whereas Henry Batte, deceased,
of Prince George County, by his last Will and Testament bequeathed a certain
tract of land, in Bristol parish, in Prince George County, lying on both
sides of the Second Swamp, containing 1,200 acres, to be equally divided
between his five daughters, Mary, wife of John Poythress, Sr.; Elizabeth,
wife of Henry Ligon; Anne, wife of Edward Stratton; Rachel, wife of James
Parham; Sarah, wife of Abraham Jones, etc. This was a deed partitioning the
land in accordance with the Will mentioned. James Parham and Rachell, their
parcel of 240 acres being on the land of Abraham Jones, it being the lower
part of said tract. Abraham Jones' and Sarah's parcel of 240 acres being on
the land of John Poythress. The partition was acknowledged by John
Poythress, Sr., and wife, Henry Ligon and wife, Edward Stratton and wife,
and Lewis Green, Jr., attorney of James Parham, Rachel Parham, Abraham Jones
and Sarah Jones. The division of land, viz: Mary, the wife of John
Poythress, 240 acres; Eliza, the wife of Henry Ligon, 240 acres; Ann, the
wife of Edward Stratton, 240 acres; Rachell, the wife of James Parham, 240
acres; and, Sarah, the wife of Abraham Jones, 240 acres. This indenture was
signed by all five of Batte's daughters and their husbands, and was
witnessed by James Thweatt, James Thweatt, Jr., and William Anderson, at a
court at Merchant's Hope, Prince George County, where it was recorded on
June 13, 1721. John Poythress, Sr., (1674-after 5/1726) was married to Mary
Batte (1669-1760); Henry Ligon was married to Elizabeth Batte; Abraham Jones
(1690-) was married to Sarah Batte; Edward Stratton was married to Ann
Batte; and, James Parham was married to Rachel Batte.

On October 4, 1727, in Prince George County, in a Certificate of Probate for
the Will of Henry Batte, the Will named Henry Batte's mother, Mary Batte,
and his sister, Mary Poythress. The witness was Robert Poythress.

After Mary Poythress' Death
On March 8, 1760, in Prince George County, the appraisement of the estate of
Mary Poythress, deceased, viz: livestock, furniture, household items
(itemized), was appraised at £61/18/7. The appraisers were Anthony
Penniston, Peter Epes and Nathaniel Raines. Signed by John Watts,
administrator of the estate of Mary Poythress. Sworn before Richard Bland,
Jr. Mary Batte Poythress (1664-1760) was the wife of John Poythress
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76 iii. Rebecca Poythress was born BEF 1724 in VA [(P_1) DCE].
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Family
John Poythress was born about 1681, in Charles City County, the son of
Francis Poythress and Rebecca Coggin. He married Mary (Hardyman?) about
1710. Their children were (1) John Poythress (c. 1711-bef. 6/1760); (2)
Frances Poythress, (3) Rebecca Poythress, (4) Elizabeth Poythress (c.
1720-bef. 7/1801), who married James Cocke; (5) William Poythress, and (6)
Anne Poythress. John Poythress was dead before May 12, 1724. His wife, Mary,
married John Abington before February 8, 1725.

Son, William Poythress
On March 13, 1739, in Prince George County, on the complaints of William
Poythress, one of the orphans of John Poythress, of Jordan's, deceased, who
was bound as apprentice to Robert Simpson, of this county, for misusage and
which complaints appeared to be just the said William was discharged from
the apprenticeship and chose Charles Irby, his guardian, who had time until
the next court to appear and give bond and security.

Daughter, Elizabeth Poythress
July, 1801, in Prince George County, the Will of Elizabeth Cocke, dated
1800.
To Elizabeth Cocke, 400 acres, the plantation she bought of Richard
Harrison, also 100 acres, adjoining it known by the name of the Woodyard.
To James Cocke, the land she inherited "by the death of her brother, John
Poythress, called Goodwine, also the land she purchased of John Worthen.
To Benjamin Cocke, the remainder of Woodyard after deducting 300 acres
devised to her daughter, Elizabeth." (Woodyard was described as being 12
miles east of the Prince George courthouse).

In 1789, Elizabeth Cocke was listed with two tracts of 234 acres each, one
of which she inherited direct and the other at the death of her brother,
John Poythress. Elizabeth Poythress married Captain James Cocke, son of
Benjamin Cocke. James Cocke died about 1783. Prince George County tax lists
mentioned her tract "Goodwines" that she inherited from her brother, John
Poythress. James Cocke served in the Navy during the Revolution. He was
Captain of the Raleigh that patrolled the James River. From November 2,
1776, to February, 1777, he commanded the cruiser Manley Galley.

November, 1809, Chapter 63, laws of Maryland under the control and direction
of the levy court, and by them applied towards defraying the county charges.
Passed, January 6, 1810, an Act authorizing Doctor James Cocke to remove
certain negroes into the state of Maryland. Whereas the said James Cocke
has, by his petition set forth, that in the year 1804, he removed from
Virginia to this state, but being then undetermined as to the place of his
permanent residence, he did not avail himself of the power he enjoyed under
the acts of assembly, to bring into this state, at the time of his said
removal, or within 12 months thereafter, certain negroes which he was
entitled to, and possessed of, under the last will and testament of his
grandfather John Poythress, and his father James Cocke, and has prayed that
a law may pass, authorizing him to remove the said negroes, as slaves, from
the state of Virginia into the state of Maryland, in the same manner that he
could have done at the time of his removal as aforesaid; and the prayer of
the said petition appearing reasonable, therefore, be it enacted, by the
General Assembly of Maryland, that the said James Cocke be and he is hereby
authorised and empowered, at any time or times within 12 months after the
passage of this act, to remove and bring into this state the said negro
slaves, or any of them, and their issue, in the same manner that he might or
could have done at the time of his own removal herein, any law to the
contrary thereof in any wise notwithstanding, provided the said doctor James
Cocke register the said negroes, and their issue, in Baltimore County court,
in the same manner as he by law would have been compelled to do had he have
brought them into this state within one year after his removal from Virginia
as aforesaid, and provided said negroes be of that description allowed by
the laws of this state to be removed and brought into this state. The
document showed that Dr. James Cocke was the son of James Cocke and the
grandson of John Poythress, Jr.

Professional Life
On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address of
loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received from
Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke, Anthony
Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison, Randall
Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas Daniell,
James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas Anderson,
James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard Bland,
Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes, George
Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The Sheriff was
Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley, Peter
Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij, Joshua
Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker, and
James Thweatt.

Civic Activities
A 1720 Act of the General Assembly, which took effect on January 1, 1721,
united the parts of Westover and Weyanoke on the south side of the James
River into Martin's Brandon parish. Also in 1720, Brunswick County,
Virginia, was created by an Act of the Virginia Assembly to establish a new
county from the southern part of Prince George County. Brunswick was named
for the Duchy of Brunswick, an ancestral German possession of the Electorate
of Hanover. The new Brunswick being deemed insufficient in population to
constitute a county, areas of the counties of Surry and Isle of Wight were
added to Brunswick in an effort to more equally distribute the tithable
individuals.
On January 11, 1721, in Prince George County, Joshua Poythress received 400
pounds tobacco for killing four wolves; John Gilliam, Sr., 200 pounds
tobacco for killing two wolves; Robert Poythress, John Poythress, John
Gilliam, Jr., and Richard Pace received 100 pounds each for killing one wolf
respectively.

Court Cases
On August 13, 1717, in Prince George County, in the action on the case
pending between John Pool and John Poythress, Francis Mallory and George
Hamilton were chosen by the said parties and appointed by the court to meet
and settle the difference between the said plaintiff and the defendant and
make report of their proceedings therein to the next court. Francis Mallory
(-1719), the son of Thomas and Mary Mallory, was the husband of Elizabeth
Goodrich. George Hamilton was mentioned in a deed with Richard Pace on July
12, 1718, and in a court document with Francis Poythress in April, 1739.
On September 10, 1717, in Prince George County, in the case brought by John
Pool against John Poythress for 200 pounds of tobacco due for stripping two
weighty hogsheads of tobacco, Francis Mallory and George Hamilton reported
that Poythress ought to pay Pool 140 pounds of tobacco and judgment was
granted.
On July 14, 1719, in Prince George County, in the action brought by Thomas
Goodwynn against John Poythress, for 34 pounds, 6 shillings, 3 pence, due by
account, the defendant being arrested and not appearing nor any Security
returned for him, on the motion of the plaintiff's attorney judgement was
granted him against the said defendant and James Thweatt, Sheriff, for the
said sum and costs unless the said defendant shall appear at the next court
and answer the said action. On October 13, 1719, in Prince George County,
the action on the case brought by Thomas Goodwynn against John Poythress,
the plaintiff failing to prosecute, the case was dismissed.

Property: Land
On October 23, 1703, in Charles City County, John Poythress, was granted 609
acres, on the south side of the James River, on the south side of the
Blackwater, to the Nottaway path, to the Blackwater spring, to the
Blackwater Maine Swamp, near Captain Robert Lucy's line, by Townes' Quarter,
adjoining Hercules Flood. The 609 acres was formerly granted to Francis
Poythress by a patent dated September 27, 1681, and was deserted by him and
since granted to John Poythress by the order of the General Court bearing
the date of April 21, 1703, for the transportation of thirteen persons into
the Colony, two of those individuals being Elizabeth Smith and Charles
Bartholomew. Charles Bartholomew was the name of Rebecca Poythress' second
husband. This may be part of the inheritance that John Poythress (c.
1681-1724) left his son, John Poythress, by Will in 1724. This land had
belonged to Major Francis Poythress, who patented the land on September 28,
1681.
In the 1704 Quit Rents Roll, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress,
Sr., paid taxes on 1,283 acres; John Poythress, Jr., paid taxes on 916
acres; and, Thomas Poythress, paid taxes on 616 acres.
On December 11, 1704, John Poythress sold 200 acres, on the north side of
the Blackwater swamp, in Prince George County, to Hubbard Gibson, Mary, his
wife, and Edward Gibson, his son. This property was a part of a greater
tract of 609 acres of land formerly granted by patent to Francis Poythress,
deceased, on September 27, 1681, and since his death was granted to John
Poythress on October 23, 1703.
On March 23, 1716, John Poythress, of Prince George County, was granted 100
acres, on the north side of the Maherrin River, in Isle of Wight County, on
the east side of the Long Meadow branch. This land appears to be near the
land of Hercules Flood and the late Major Francis Poythress, on the Long
Meadow adjacent to the Ealeroot Level.
On November 8, 1720, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, the Elder,
of Westover parish, in the County of Prince George, sold to John Poythress,
Jr., of the same parish and county, 150 acres, called by the name of Powell's,
bounded on the north by Richard Bland, on the south by lands lately in the
occupation of Joseph Patterson, bounded easterly on the Deep Bottom and
westerly on the land of Thomas Poythress. The witnesses were Edward
Goodrich, Thomas Binford and Margaret Goodrich.
On September 5, 1723, John Poythress, of Prince George County, was granted
200 acres of new land, in Isle of Wight County, on the south side of the
Maherrin River, on the east side of the Cane Branch. This was the same
property re-patented by his son, John Poythress, on March 17, 1737, and sold
by Thomas Poythress to John Dawson on July 6, 1773.
On October 13, 1727, Captain John Poythress, of Prince George County, was
granted 275 acres of new land, on the south side of the Maherrin River, in
Brunswick County, on the south side of the Reedy Branch on the Beaver Pond
Creek. This was the same property sold by Thomas Poythress, of Martin's
Brandon parish, to William Rives on May 13, 1773. (This land was evidently
surveyed prior to John Poythress' death and awarded after his death).
John Poythress left more than 630 acres to his sons in his 1724 Will. He
acquired approximately 1,334 acres but sold 200 acres in December, 1704, to
Hubbard Gibson. Thomas Poythress sold 275 acres of this property in 1773.
John Poythress paid taxes on 916 acres in 1704. Seven slaves were mentioned
in the possession of John Poythress.

Pertinent Property
On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to William
Rains, of Westover parish, Prince George County, 176 acres, at Joans Hole
and the mouth of the Reedy Branch that ran between Rains' plantation and
Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne, John Hamlin
and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an endorsement making
over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed, joining upon
upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my son, Thomas Rains.
On June 28, 1707, in Surry County, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George
County, and his wife, Mary, sold 150 acres, to Benjamin Harrison, Esquire,
of Charles City County, on the north side of the Nottaway River. The
witnesses were Frances Mallory, Francis Poythress and Thomas Wynne.
On March 3, 1712, in Prince George County, Robert Mumford, of Bristol
parish, Prince George County, to Richard Bland, of the City of Williamsburg,
a lease to farm, land near Jordan's, between Deep Bottom and Cureton's
Bottom, in occupation of Thomas Burge, 430 acres, 130 thereof formerly
belonging to James Munford, father of said Robert, and given to him by
inheritance, part thereof from Colonel John Hardyman and the other 100 by
purchase from Mr. Francis Poythress, all of which appears by James Munford's
will. The deed was witnessed by Michael Wallace, Jane Wallace, Dorothy
Hillman. This land was adjacent to John Poythress' land.
On December 12, 1721, Hubbard Gibson and Mary, his wife, and Edward Gibson,
their son, of North Carolina, sold to Peter Poythress, of Prince George
County, of the Colony of Virginia, 200 acres, on the north side of the
Blackwater Swamp, in Prince George County, the same being part of a greater
tract of land granted to Francis Poythress, now deceased, and since his
death the said land was granted to John Poythress, son to the aforesaid
Francis Poythress, as lapsed from the said Francis Poythress and by the said
John Poythress sold unto the aforesaid, Hubbard Gibson, his wife, Mary and
their son, Edward Gibson, by deed dated December 11, 1704. The witnesses
were Richard Cureton, Richard Sykes and John Fennel.

Pertinent Information
The younger James Thweatt married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but
before that, he had been married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's
Will of 1714, William Soane, of Henrico county, mentioned "my daughter
Elizabeth, late wife of James Thweatt being dead...and my daughter, Judith
Thweatt." This younger James Thweatt was attending the Prince George County
Court as a Justice on June 14, 1715. And, on June 10, 1718 "James Thweatt
having produced a commission from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be
sheriff of this county, he accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond
was for £1,000 Sterling. Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at
the same time, taking the same oath. By 1719, Sheriff James Thweatt had a
son James, Jr., who was of age. They witnessed many deeds and Wills together
from then until 1726.
On April 12, 1720, in Prince George County, the last Will and testament of
Richard Bland, deceased, was presented into court by William Randolph and
Richard Randolph, executors, etc. Richard Bland (1665-1720) was married to
Elizabeth Randolph (1680-1720). Elizabeth's brothers were the executors of
Richard Bland's Will.

As Witness
On July 4, 1722, in Prince George County, James Binford, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, sold to Nathaniel Harrison, Esquire, of
Southwarke parish, in Surry County, 150 acres, in Lawnes Creek parish on the
lower side of Three Creeks, in Surry County. This land was granted to James
Binford on March 23, 1715. The witnesses were William Cocke, William Short,
John Poythress, John Woodlief, John Hamlin, Charles Lucas, James Baker and
John Hardyman.

John Poythress' Will
In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, proved May 12, 1724.
I give my son, John Poythress, and his heirs, my plantation where I live,
100 acres of land, as also 100 acres of land adjoining, called Colebrooks,
taking in the Ivy point, so running down Hugh Evans' Spring Bottom to
William Stainback's corner poplar, and also I give my said son, John
Poythress, and to his heirs, my tract of land lying on the south side of the
main Blackwater Swamp, not debarring his brothers, Francis and William
Poythress, from getting timber for their plantations' use, as also giving
them liberty to drive their stocks of hogs and cattle upon the land, if they
shall think fit, and if it should please God to take him out of the world
before he comes to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of his body
lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son, Francis
Poythress, should possess all the above said lands as is mentioned, and to
his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, and his heirs, land lying at and about the
place called Brick Chimneys, binding upon my son, John Poythress', and
brother, Thomas Poythress' lands, so round the Deep Bottom, taking in the
whole tract or dividend of land, and if it should please God to take him out
of the world before he arrives to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of
his body lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son,
William Poythress, should possess all the above said land mentioned, and to
his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and their heirs, 280 acres,
joining to Thomas Poythress' land, so running a south course over the horn
branch, and so binding upon John Young's, Dorrel Young's, and John
Winningham's land, to be equally divided betwixt my two sons, John and
Francis Poythress, and to their heirs forever.
I give my son, William Poythress, and his heirs, 150 acres, binding upon
Thomas Poythress' and Thomas Lovesay's land, formerly belonging to Joseph
Patterson, called Powell's, and if it should please God to take him out of
the world before he arrives to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of his
body lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son, John
Poythress, should possess the above mentioned land, and his heirs lawfully
begotten forever.
I give my son, John Poythress, a small featherbed and furniture, six new
rush leather chairs, one chest, one gun, and a mare, a young horse, and the
increase of her forever, to him and his heirs for ever.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, a small feather bed and furniture, one
young mare about three years old, and her increase to him and his heirs for
ever.
I give my son, William Poythress, a bay mare, and her increase, to him and
his heirs for ever.
I give my three sons, John, Francis and William Poythress, all of my stock
of hogs and cattle, to be equally divided amongst them, only what I shall
give hereafter unto my loving wife, Mary Poythress, which is four cows and
calves, and a parcel of hogs as uses about Colebrooks, about twenty or
thirty of them, and my will further is that as much of the stock be disposed
of as will be of value sufficient to enter and survey 400 acres of land in
the woods, according to the discretion of my executors, for my son, William
Poythress, and to be patented in his name, and then the remaining part of
the stock to be equally divided between my three sons, John, Francis and
William Poythress, and their heirs forever.
I give my three sons, John, Francis and William Poythress, my three negroes,
Betty, Judy and Grace, and their increase, to be equally divided when my
son, William Poythress, comes to the age of 18 years, and my will and desire
is that my son, John Poythress, should have the aforesaid negroes, with
their increase, in his possession, when he shall attain to the age of 21,
and there to remain till my son, William, attains to the age of 18 years,
then they and their increase to be equally divided between my three sons,
John, Francis and William Poythress, and to their heirs lawfully begotten
forever.
I give my daughter, Rebecca Poythress, my negro man, Tom, and one featherbed
and furniture, to her and her heirs for ever.
I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, my negro boy, Jamy, to her and her
heirs for ever.
I give my daughter, Ann Poythress, my negro boy, Will, to her and her heirs
for ever.
I give my loving wife, Mary Poythress, my negro man, Seipis(?), one
featherbed and furniture, four cows and calves and a parcel of hogs uses
about Colebrooks, and all my pewter, brass, and iron, as I am possessed
with, and my two working horses, and all the rest of the small matters as is
not mentioned in this my last Will and Testament, to her and her heirs for
ever.
I appoint Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, pastor, my executors of this
my last Will and testament. The witnesses, Francis Epes, Jr., William
Stainback and John Winningham. At a court held at Merchant's Hope for Prince
George County, on Tuesday, May 12, 1724, the last Will and testament of John
Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert Poythress and John
Woodlief, his executors, who made oath thereto, and it was proved by the
oaths of Francis Epes, William Stainback and John Winningham. And on the
motion of the said Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, executors, and their
giving Bond and Security according to law, Certificate was granted them for
obtaining a probate of the said Will in due form. The Will was recorded,
August 11, 1724, at a court at Merchant's Hope, for Prince George County,
with an account of personal property items valued at £209/14/5. John
Stainback, John Winningham and William Stainback were the appraisers.

The 150 acres called Powell's, left to William Poythress, was bought by his
father, John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), on November 8, 1720, from Francis
Poythress. The land that was inherited by John Poythress' son, John
Poythress, was possibly bought by John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), on October
23, 1703, and on September 5, 1723.

On December 13, 1726, in the Prince George County court, the inventory of
the estate of Captain John Poythress, deceased, was valued at £130/12/8. The
executors of the Will were Robert Poythress and John Woodlief. The legatees
were Mary, his wife, Rebecca, his daughter, Elizabeth, his daughter, Colonel
William Randolph, Captain Richard Randolph and John Fitzgerald, among
others.		01/13/2006 8:25:25
Captain John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George County, 3rd GenerationMichael TutorThe John Poythresses, the William Poythresses and the Francis Poythresses
have been saved for last because there are so many of them and due to the
fact that it is hard to separate their lives. Once these are complete, we
will work on the Thomas Poythress line as that line seems to have the most
descendants and will be the main focus once we get started on Thomas
Poythress' many descendants.

As Deloris Wynne-Riley has so aptly mentioned, there are a lot of "internet
genealogists" that will take the printed word on the internet as gospel. I
will say again that these "life stories" are not the last word. There are
many records that have not been found and studied. We are working with the
known records today just as Hall, Smith, Batte and the other respected
genealogists made their studies during their lifetimes. At present, Dorman
is completing his research in order to produce Volume 2 and 3 of
"Adventurers of Purse and Person."

The "life stories" posted to this website have been an effort to form a
somewhat firm foundation from which to work. The format is not exactly
reader friendly but should provide a basic format for comparison and
evaluation. Each life story identifies an individual family member, his
approximate life span, his immediate family members, his profession, his
activities, his property and any inheritance or association with collateral
lines.

It will still require hours of comparison, research and study of the
Poythress "family tree," deed transactions and inheritances, census
comparisons, "virtual censuses," military records, historical events, family
associations, group associations, court records, business records, tax
records, family lore, etc., to finally delineate the individual members of
the Poythress family. However, once the records have been evaluated word for
word and the existence of each individual identified, further development of
the "family tree" will inevitably lead to further undeniable conclusions.

The final word will remain with the individual serious researcher to
determine the validity of any conclusions based upon the written records and
facts.

As my usual caution, I will repeat that a project of this magnitude will
incur mistakes and typographical errors.

This posting and the one to follow will be an attempt to identify the lives
of Captain John Poythress, Sr., and Captain John Poythress, Jr. The
conclusion as to whether John Poythress, Sr., had a son Thomas or whether
Thomas was a brother of John Poythress, Jr., and therefore a son of Major
Francis Poythress will have to be made by each reader based upon the
records. John Poythress, Sr., and John Poythress, Jr., were first cousins.

The Third Generation: Captain John Poythress, of Prince George County
R. Bolling Batte on John Poythress
[26 John Poythress m. Mary Batte, daughter of Henry and Mary (Lound) Batte.
To avoid confusion with his first cousin John Poythress 43 (whose wife was
also named Mary), this John was usually designated as "Sen." or "Sr." while
cousin John was designated as "Jun." or "Jr." In 1720, John Poythress, Sr.,
and Mary, his wife, together with four other couples, the five wives all
being daughters of Henry Batte, deceased., join in deed of partition whereby
they divide 1200 acres in Prince George left by the will of Henry Batte to
his daughters. John Poythress, Sr., was a captain in the militia and he
represented Pr. Geo. in the House of Burgesses in 1723 and 1726. In 1727, as
Capt. John Poythress he was granted 225 acres on the south side of the
Meherrin, which land later fell into Brunswick County. The identical land
was sold in 1773 by one Thomas Poythress who may have been a son or grandson
of John, Sr.]
[10. John Poythress (John Poythress2, Mary ______1) was born ABT 1664 in VA
[(P_1) BF], and died AFT 1726. He married Mary Batte 1689, daughter of Henry
Batte and Mary Lound. She was born 1670 in VA [BATTE 142] [(P_1) BF (W)],
and died 1760.
Child of John Poythress and Mary Batte is:
+ 36 i. Thomas Poythress was born AFT 1689 in VA [(P_1) BFA] Martin Brandon
Parish, Prince George County, and died in VA [Batte 142 A].]

Family
John Poythress was born about 1674, in Charles City County, the son of John
Poythress and Christian Peebles. He married Mary Batte, the daughter of
Henry Batte and Mary Lound. He died after May 27, 1726.

Inheritance
On December 11, 1712, the Will of John's father, John Poythress, Sr., of
Prince George County, was proved by John Winningham, Peter Leeth and William
Stainback. John Poythress, Sr., appointed his half-brothers, Thomas Wynne
and Joshua Wynne, and his friend, William Stainback, to divide his estate.
He appointed John's mother, Christian, and John Poythress, to be executors
of his Will. He named his two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
Stainback to divide his estate. He gave his son, John, two negroes, Bess and
Nanny, and their increase, and an equal share of his moveable estate. John,
and his brother, Peter, were to give an account of what they had in hand.
The witnesses of the Will were John Winningham, Peter Leeth, Thomas Leeth
and William Stainback.

On December 9, 1712, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George
County, deeded to Thomas Poythress, of the same, for £20, all of my tract in
Westover parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John Winningham,
the said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, being the dividing line of
Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were Edward
Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.

In June, 1717, in Prince George County, in the suit in Chancery brought by
Charles Anderson against John Poythress and Henry Offley, neither party
appearing, the case was dismissed. However, in another entry, Charles
Anderson, having filed a Bill in Chancery against John Poythress, executor
of John Poythress, deceased, and Henry Offley, late of London, Merchant, it
was ordered that a summons be issued against the said John Poythress and
Henry Offley to appear at the next court and answer the said charges. Under
the date of July 9, 1717, in Prince George County, was an identical entry to
the text above, regarding Charles Anderson. (It is speculated that the court
took action in July identical to that taken in June, and the clerk, seeing
no point in re-composing the entries, simply duplicated them). On August 13,
1717, in Prince George County, the suit in Chancery brought by Charles
Anderson against Henry Offley, late of London, Merchant and John Poythress,
surviving executor of the last Will and testament of John Poythress,
deceased. Thomas Simmons, sub-Sheriff, took oath to the service of the Writ
and charged Poythress and he failing to appear, an attachment was granted
the complainant against the body of the said Poythress returnable to the
next court and it was ordered that the said summons was also against the
said Offley returnable to the next court. On September 10, 1717, in Prince
George County, in the case of Charles Anderson versus Henry Offley, late of
London, Merchant, and John Poythress, executor of John Poythress, deceased,
John Poythress appeared and said that he had in his hands money enough of
Offley's to pay the plaintiff £19/1/3, and that he would pay. On December
11, 1717, in Prince George County, in the chancery suit of Walter Vernon
versus John Poythress, surviving executor of the Will of John Poythress,
deceased, the defendant appeared and was granted time to answer. On March
11, 1718, in Prince George County, in the suit of chancery of Walter Vernon
versus John Poythress, the surviving executor of John Poythress, deceased,
the plaintiff had until the next court to file a reply to the defendant's
answer. On January 13, 1719, in Prince George County, the entry was
identical to the text above regarding Charles Anderson on July 9, 1717.

Professional Life
On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address of
loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received from
Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke, Anthony
Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison, Randall
Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas Daniell,
James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, Jno. Hunt, Thomas Anderson,
James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard Bland,
Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes, George
Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The Sheriff was
Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley, Peter
Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij, Joshua
Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker, and
James Thweatt.
Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve with
Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory as
members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina line on
October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient inhabitants
of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and discover
the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies." Also they were
to ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins and
Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old inhabitants
of Prince George County that were deposed was Robert Bolling, Gentleman,
aged 61, who "hath known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more" and "Major
Wynne's quarter is on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town." Joshua
Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary Poythress
Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress (c. 1674-aft. 1724). John
Poythress was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary
Batte (c. 1674-c. 1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
James Thweat, of Bristol parish, aged 64 years or thereabouts, swore before
Benjamin Harrison, Jr., and John Hardiman, on November 12, 1707, that he had
known the River, now called Nottoway River, for 48 years or more and that it
had never been called by any other name. When he first became acquainted
with those parts, the chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south
side of the Nottaway River where Major Wynne's Quarter is now located, about
three miles above the mouth of Monksneck Creek, and some few of them lived
at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles up Monksneck creek; and two or three
families of them at Tonnatora, which is on the north side of the Nottaway
River, and that they lived at some of these places, and at Cottashowrock,
and thereabouts, until 25 or 26 years ago, and then they removed and settled
their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp at the place now called Old Town.
About 48 years ago, the Meherrin Indians lived upon the Meherrin River at
Cowochahawkon and some of them at Unote, and about 24 years ago some of them
lived at Unote and some at Taurara, but how long they lived there after that
time, he could not remember. James Thweatt (1643-), of Bristol parish, was
an officer in the Virginia militia when he signed the loyalty oath on March
12, 1702. In 1704, he owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the
Appomattox River, which was in Bristol parish, and some on the south side of
the James river which was in Jordan's parish. James Thweatt, the Elder, and
Robert Bolling were both questioned about the Virginia-North Carolina
dividing line.
On March 13, 1712, in Prince George County, the inventory and appraisal of
the estate of Edward Maine, deceased, was presented in court and the
appraisers were sworn before John Poythress. The inventory was presented by
Francis Mallory, the administrator, and it was ordered that the inventory be
recorded.
On June 14, 1715, in Prince George County, John Poythress, among others, was
listed present as a Gentleman Justice for the court. Typically, these
gentlemen justices were listed as present at the recording of each monthly
opening of the court. John Poythress was listed, among others, present as a
Gentleman Justice on July 6, 1715; August 9, 1715; and September 13, 1715.
On March 13, 1716, John Poythress and James Thweatt and others appeared in
court, took the usual oaths, signed the tests and were, accordingly, sworn
Justices of Prince George County, pursuant to a Commission of Peace, etc.,
dated December 8, 1715.
John Poythress was listed, among others, present as a Gentleman Justice of
Prince George County on April 2, 1716; June 12, 1716; and on October 9,
1716, at a court held at Merchant's Hope, in Prince George County. On March
13, 1717, in Prince George County, pursuant to the Act for appointing
Sheriffs, John Poythress, Samson Meredith and Richard Hamlin, Gentlemen
Justices, were recommended to the Honorable then Governor to execute the
office of Sheriff the ensuing year. On March 13, 1717, pursuant to a
commission of the Peace, dated December 8, 1715, John Poythress, James
Thweatt and Lewis Green, Jr., took the oaths as Justices of Prince George
County. John Poythress was listed, among others, present as a Gentleman
Justice, of Prince George County, at Merchant's Hope on May 14, 1717; June
11, 1717; October 8, 1717; December 10 and 11, 1717; January 14, 1718; and,
March 11, 1718. On March 11, 1718, in Prince George County, John Poythress,
Robert Mumford, and James Thweatt, Gentleman Justices, were recommended to
the Governor as persons fit to be Sheriff of the County. On April 9, 1718,
at a court held at Merchant's Hope, for Prince George County, for receiving
and certifying to the next session of the Assembly for Propositions,
Grievances and Public Claims of the said County, present, among others, was
John Poythress, Gentleman Justice. John Poythress was listed, among others,
present as a Gentleman Justice, of Prince George County, on June 10, 1718;
July 8, 1718; August 12, 1718; January 13, 1718/9; and, May 12, 1719.
John Poythress was listed among others as present as a Gentleman justice of
Prince George County on July 15, 1719, and on September 8, 1719.
On September 8, 1719, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, Thomas Kirkland
and William Reese made an appraisement of the estate of Phillip Jane,
deceased, sworn before John Poythress. Elizabeth Jane was the
administratrix.
John Poythress was listed among others, present, as a Gentleman Justice of
Prince George County on October 13, 1719, and on November 11, 1719.
On November 11, 1719, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Samson
Meredith and John Hardyman, among others, were present as Gentlemen
Justices. [Note: from here and sporadically forward, John Poythress appeared
to co-sign William Hamlin's order to close the court]. John Poythress was
listed among others, present, as a Gentleman Justice of Prince George County
on January 12, 1720.
On March 8, 1720, in Prince George County, pursuant to the direction of the
Act for Appointing Sheriffs, John Poythress, Robert Mumford and John
Hardyman, Gentlemen Justices, were recommended to the Honorable Lieutenant
Governor as fit and able to execute the office as Sheriff of this County for
the next ensuing year.
On March 8, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress, John Hardyman and
Louis Green, Gentlemen, were recommended to the Honorable Lieutenant
Governor, as fit and able to execute the office of Coroners of this County.
John Poythress was listed among others, present, as a Gentleman Justice of
Prince George County on March 11, 1720.
John Poythress was listed among others, present, as a Gentleman justice of
Prince George County on June 14, 1720.
On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John Poythress and
Edward Goodrich were to make oaths as Sheriffs. John Poythress and Edward
Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as Sheriff.
John Hardyman (1686-1738), son of John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married
to Henrietta Maria Taylor, daughter of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich
(1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729), daughter of Joshua
Wynne and Mary Jones.
On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Robert Poythress
and John Woodlief, having taken the official oaths of allegiance, signed the
test, were sworn vestrymen of Westover parish.
John Poythress was listed among others, present, as a Gentleman Justice of
Prince George County on August 9, 1720, and on September 13, 1720.
John Poythress was both attorney and social acquaintance to Elizabeth Taylor
Duke. On September 19, 1720, Colonel William Byrd recorded in his diary that
he dined at his home, Westover, with Mrs. Duke and her attorney, Mr.
Poythress, along with his "brother and sister Duke," James Duke and his
wife, Mary Byrd Duke.
John Poythress was listed, among others, present, as a Gentleman Justice of
Prince George County on October 31, 1720, and on January 10, 1721. On
January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Woodlief and John Poythress,
among others, were chosen Vestrymen for the parish of Martin's Brandon
parish and accordingly appeared in court and took the Oath appointed by law,
signed the test, and were sworn Vestrymen of the parish.
John Poythress, was a member of the assembly in the House of Burgesses, for
1723 to 1726. The first session of this Assembly was called for December 5,
1722, but was prorogued and did not meet until May 9, 1723. The second and
last session met May 12, 1726. He was in attendance at a meeting May 27,
1726, when the House of Burgesses petitioned the King asking retroactive
approval for a tax placed upon all imported liquors, except from Great
Britain, to fund the operation of William & Mary College; also, asking the
King to find additional monies for this purpose "out of your unappropriated
and growing Revenue of Quit Rents in this Colony, or any other way that your
Majesty shall think more proper." Signatures in the House of Burgesses for
Prince George County were Robert Bolling and John Poythress. The full text
may be found in the Swem index.

Civic Activities
On May 8, 1712, in Prince George County, an inventory and appraisal of the
estate of John Hardyman, deceased, was valued at £845/12/0 by R. Hall, John
Poythress and Edmund Irby and presented by John Hardyman, the administrator.
On April 19, 1717, in Prince George County, on the petition of John Hobbs, a
surveyor of the highways, it was ordered that Captain John Poythress'
tithables, James Bishop, William Hobbes, Peter Poythress and William
Poythress assist said Hobbs in clearing the highways.
On May 13, 1718, in Prince George County, Mr. Sampson Meredith was ordered
to take the list of tithables in Martin's Brandon parish on 10th June next;
Captain John Poythress was to do the same in Weyanoke parish on 20th June
next; Captain John Hamlin in Westover parish; and, Major Robert Bolling in
Bristol parish.
On December 9, 1718, in Prince George County, Elizabeth Duke, the relict of
Henry Duke, deceased, of this county, appeared and said that her husband had
died without a Will. She was appointed administratrix with John Hardyman her
security. Mr. John Hatch, Captain Hamlin, Captain John Poythress and Gilbert
Hay appraised and inventoried the estate of Captain Henry Duke, in Prince
George County, on January 22, 1719.
On April 14, 1719, in Prince George County, Henry Batte made oath that
Thomas Harwell, deceased, died intestate, and was granted administration of
his estate. John Poythress, Robert Poythress, John Fitzgerald and Edward
Mitchell were to take inventory.
On April 14, 1719, in Prince George County, Joshua Poythress, Robert
Poythress, John Fitzgerald and Edward Mitchell, were nominated and appointed
to appraise the estate of Thomas Harwell, deceased, and make a report of
their proceedings therein to the next court when Henry Batte, the
administrator, thereof was ordered to return the inventory.
On May 12, 1719, in Prince George County, Mr. Samson Meredith was appointed
to take a list of tithables in Martin's Brandon parish on June 10 next;
Captain John Poythress was appointed in Weyanoke parish; Mr. John Hardyman
was appointed in Westover parish; and, Major Robert Bolling was appointed in
Bristol Parish.
On June 9, 1719, in Prince George County, John Poythress, John Hatch,
William Harrison and Gilbert Hay were ordered to appraise the estate of
Randle Pratt, deceased, and make a report of their proceedings to the next
court when Henry Holder, as the executor, was to return the inventory.
On May 10, 1720, in Prince George County, the assignments of those that were
made to take the lists of tithables were John Poythress, Gentleman, in
Weyanoke parish, Samson Meredith, Gentleman in Martin's Brandon parish, etc.
A 1720 Act of the General Assembly, which took effect on January 1, 1721,
united the parts of Westover and Weyanoke on the south side of the James
River into Martin's Brandon parish. Also in 1720, Brunswick County,
Virginia, was created by an Act of the Virginia Assembly to establish a new
county from the southern part of Prince George County. The new Brunswick
being deemed insufficient in population to constitute a county, areas of the
counties of Surry and Isle of Wight were added to Brunswick in an effort to
more equally distribute the titheable individuals.
On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund Irby,
Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise the
estate of Edward Goodrich. Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to return
the inventory.
On January, 1725, in Prince George County, Captain John Poythress was to
receive by order of the court 1 pound, 12 shillings, 6 pence, from the
estate of Edward Goodrich.
On August 9, 1726, in Prince George County, John Poythress swore to an
account of the goods and chattel of Charles Goodrich.
On December 13, 1726, in Prince George County, John Poythress swore to the
inventory of chattels of Littlebury Hardyman.
On June 10, 1727, in Prince George County, John Poythress swore to the
estate inventory of William Jackson.

Court Cases
March 11, 1718, in Prince George County, in the case of Francis Epes versus
John Poythress, the plaintiff failing to prosecute, a non suit was granted
the defendant.

Property: Personal Property and Land
In November, 1708, in Surry County, it was ordered that Sarah, an Indian
slave, to John Poythress be added to the list of tithables this present
year. In September, 1709, in Surry County, upon the petition of John
Poythress, it was ordered that Sarah, his Indian slave, at Nottaway River,
be added to Mr. William Cock's list of tithables this present year.
On June 22, 1708, John Poythress, took out a patent, for 600 acres, in
Prince George County, and found that part of it was in Surry County. It was
ordered that the Surry Surveyor lay that part off, etc.
On June 8, 1714, in Prince George County, Sarah Daniel, of Westover parish,
to John Poythress, Sr., of Weyanoke parish, 50 acres of land bounded on the
west by Birchen swamp, on the north by Joseph Daniel, on the east by the
said John Poythress and on the south by Thomas Goodwyn. The witnesses were
Robert Poythress and Edward Woodlief.
On July 15, 1717, John Poythress, of Prince George County, was granted 267
acres of new land, on the south side of the main Blackwater River, in Surry
County, on the southwest side of the Indian Swamp, by the side of Beaver
Pond Swamp. This land was leased out by Robert Poythress (1690-1743) on
March 22, 1733.
On July 12, 1725, John Hardyman, of Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince
George County, sold to John Poythress, of the same parish and county, 2
acres of land, with a mill, in Prince George County, on Ward's Run bounded
by Sarah Wall and John Wilkins. John Hardyman obliged himself to title on
the penalty of £80. The witnesses were Joshua Poythress and William
Poythress. The court was at Merchant's Hope. Henrietta Maria Hardyman, the
wife of John Hardyman, released her dower.
John Poythress acquired 919 acres. Robert Poythress leased out 267 acres of
this property in 1733. One Indian slave was mentioned in the possession of
John Poythress.

Adjoining Property
On December 16, 1723, Adam Ivy, of Isle of Wight County, sold to Edward
Prince, of Prince George County, 130 acres in Martin's Brandon parish, in
Prince George County, bounded on the east by Gilbert Hay, on the south by
Robert Hobbs and Captain John Poythress, on the west by land lately sold by
Mr. Peter Poythress, and on the north by Gilbert Hay. The witnesses, Gilbert
Hay, Hugh Ivy and David Dunkesin.

Pertinent Information
In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were appointed
interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on their
trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians. In 1703, the Nottoway,
Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Major Joshua Wynne, and his
brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian interpreters for the tribes. When
a Chief of one of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas, the Wynne
brothers were asked to accompany the Indians to gain the release of the
Chief due to the impasse between the tribes and the Senecas. The Wynnes were
able to win the release of their chief and a tribal war was temporarily
averted.
On January 12, 1705, at Westover, the Will of Colonel William Byrd was
examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her majesty's Lieutenant and
Governor General, of Virginia, in the presence of the honorable Colonel
Henry Duke, one of her majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
Littlebury Epps of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City
County, Gentleman; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who
said that the original Will appeared to have been written in its entirety in
Colonel Byrd's own hand without any blot or interlineation and sealed with
his own seal.

As Witness
On May 1, 1716, in Surry County, Samuel Harwood, Jr., of Weyanoke parish, in
Charles City County, to Thomas Cocke, of Southwarke parish, in Surry County,
100 acres, on the south side of the Nottoway River, in Lawnes Creek parish,
bounded by a branch of Poplar Swamp (the land being part of 445 acres in
Isle of Wight County granted to said Samuel Harwood, Jr., on June 16, 1714).
The witnesses were John Cargill and John Poythress.
On February 14, 1721, in Prince George County, Adam Ivy returned into court,
estate of Elizabeth Ivy, ordered to be recorded. Present were John Hamlin,
John Poythress and Robert Bolling.
On May 13, 1725, William Coleman sold to John Coleman, 185 acres, on the
east side of the great branch of Whipponock Creek, in Prince George County.
After 1753, this land was in Dinwiddie County. The witnesses were Robert
Bolling, John Poythress and Drury Bolling at a court at Merchant's Hope.

Family Estates
On April 4, 1719, in Prince George County, John Drayton, one of the orphans
of Roger Drayton, deceased, chose Captain John Poythress, as his guardian.

In Prince George County, the Will of Elizabeth Ivie, of Weyanoke parish, in
Prince George County, dated April 26, 1718, proved March 8, 1719.
I give my son, George Ivie, twenty shillings, or the worth of twenty in some
commodity, as my executor shall see fit.
I give my son, Henry Ivie, a gold ring.
I give my son, John Ivie, my bed and what belongs to it.
I give my son, Gilbert Ivie, twenty shillings, or the worth of twenty.
I give my daughter, Susan Hays, a gold ring.
I give my son, Adam Ivie, and his daughter, Elizabeth Ivie, all the
remaining part of my household goods, to be equally divided between them as
he shall see fit, and I do hereby appoint my son, Adam Ivie, my sole
executor to see this my last Will and testament truly fulfilled, as witness
my hand and seal this April 26, 1718. Elizabeth Ivie. The witnesses were
Elizabeth Foster and Mary Poythress. At a Court held at Merchant's Hope for
Prince George County on the second Tuesday, March 8, 1719, the above written
last Will and testament of Elizabeth Ivie, deceased., was presented into
court by Adam Ivie, her executor, who made oath thereto, and it being proved
by the oath of Elizabeth Foster a witness thereto, is by order of the court
truly recorded. And on the motion of Adam Ivie and his giving security
according to law, Certificate is granted him for obtaining a probate in due
form. Mary Batte Poythress (1670-1760), wife of John Poythress (c.
1676-after 5/1726), was a witness to this will. Elizabeth Ivey (-1720) was
the wife of Adam Ivey (c. 1640-c. 1710).

On September 4, 1720, in Prince George County, an indenture between John
Poythress, Sr., and Mary, his wife, of Prince George County; Henry Ligon and
Elizabeth, his wife; Edward Stratton and Ann, his wife, of Henrico County;
James Parham and Rachel, his wife, of Isle of Wight County; Abraham Jones
and his wife, Sarah, of Prince George County. Whereas Henry Batte, deceased,
of Prince George County, by his last Will and Testament bequeathed a certain
tract of land, in Bristol parish, in Prince George County, lying on both
sides of the Second Swamp, containing 1,200 acres, to be equally divided
between his five daughters, Mary, wife of John Poythress, Sr.; Elizabeth,
wife of Henry Ligon; Anne, wife of Edward Stratton; Rachel, wife of James
Parham; Sarah, wife of Abraham Jones, etc. This was a deed partitioning the
land in accordance with the Will mentioned. James Parham and Rachell, their
parcel of 240 acres being on the land of Abraham Jones, it being the lower
part of said tract. Abraham Jones' and Sarah's parcel of 240 acres being on
the land of John Poythress. The partition was acknowledged by John
Poythress, Sr., and wife, Henry Ligon and wife, Edward Stratton and wife,
and Lewis Green, Jr., attorney of James Parham, Rachel Parham, Abraham Jones
and Sarah Jones. The division of land, viz: Mary, the wife of John
Poythress, 240 acres; Eliza, the wife of Henry Ligon, 240 acres; Ann, the
wife of Edward Stratton, 240 acres; Rachell, the wife of James Parham, 240
acres; and, Sarah, the wife of Abraham Jones, 240 acres. This indenture was
signed by all five of Batte's daughters and their husbands, and was
witnessed by James Thweatt, James Thweatt, Jr., and William Anderson, at a
court at Merchant's Hope, Prince George County, where it was recorded on
June 13, 1721. John Poythress, Sr., (1674-after 5/1726) was married to Mary
Batte (1669-1760); Henry Ligon was married to Elizabeth Batte; Abraham Jones
(1690-) was married to Sarah Batte; Edward Stratton was married to Ann
Batte; and, James Parham was married to Rachel Batte.

On October 4, 1727, in Prince George County, in a Certificate of Probate for
the Will of Henry Batte, the Will named Henry Batte's mother, Mary Batte,
and his sister, Mary Poythress. The witness was Robert Poythress.

After Mary Poythress' Death
On March 8, 1760, in Prince George County, the appraisement of the estate of
Mary Poythress, deceased, viz: livestock, furniture, household items
(itemized), was appraised at £61/18/7. The appraisers were Anthony
Penniston, Peter Epes and Nathaniel Raines. Signed by John Watts,
administrator of the estate of Mary Poythress. Sworn before Richard Bland,
Jr. Mary Batte Poythress (1664-1760) was the wife of John Poythress
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75 ii. Elizabeth Poythress was born BEF 1724 in VA [(P_1) DCD].
76 iii. Rebecca Poythress was born BEF 1724 in VA [(P_1) DCE].
77 iv. Anne Poythress was born BEF 1724 in VA [(P_1) DCF].
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Family
John Poythress was born about 1681, in Charles City County, the son of
Francis Poythress and Rebecca Coggin. He married Mary (Hardyman?) about
1710. Their children were (1) John Poythress (c. 1711-bef. 6/1760); (2)
Frances Poythress, (3) Rebecca Poythress, (4) Elizabeth Poythress (c.
1720-bef. 7/1801), who married James Cocke; (5) William Poythress, and (6)
Anne Poythress. John Poythress was dead before May 12, 1724. His wife, Mary,
married John Abington before February 8, 1725.

Son, William Poythress
On March 13, 1739, in Prince George County, on the complaints of William
Poythress, one of the orphans of John Poythress, of Jordan's, deceased, who
was bound as apprentice to Robert Simpson, of this county, for misusage and
which complaints appeared to be just the said William was discharged from
the apprenticeship and chose Charles Irby, his guardian, who had time until
the next court to appear and give bond and security.

Daughter, Elizabeth Poythress
July, 1801, in Prince George County, the Will of Elizabeth Cocke, dated
1800.
To Elizabeth Cocke, 400 acres, the plantation she bought of Richard
Harrison, also 100 acres, adjoining it known by the name of the Woodyard.
To James Cocke, the land she inherited "by the death of her brother, John
Poythress, called Goodwine, also the land she purchased of John Worthen.
To Benjamin Cocke, the remainder of Woodyard after deducting 300 acres
devised to her daughter, Elizabeth." (Woodyard was described as being 12
miles east of the Prince George courthouse).

In 1789, Elizabeth Cocke was listed with two tracts of 234 acres each, one
of which she inherited direct and the other at the death of her brother,
John Poythress. Elizabeth Poythress married Captain James Cocke, son of
Benjamin Cocke. James Cocke died about 1783. Prince George County tax lists
mentioned her tract "Goodwines" that she inherited from her brother, John
Poythress. James Cocke served in the Navy during the Revolution. He was
Captain of the Raleigh that patrolled the James River. From November 2,
1776, to February, 1777, he commanded the cruiser Manley Galley.

November, 1809, Chapter 63, laws of Maryland under the control and direction
of the levy court, and by them applied towards defraying the county charges.
Passed, January 6, 1810, an Act authorizing Doctor James Cocke to remove
certain negroes into the state of Maryland. Whereas the said James Cocke
has, by his petition set forth, that in the year 1804, he removed from
Virginia to this state, but being then undetermined as to the place of his
permanent residence, he did not avail himself of the power he enjoyed under
the acts of assembly, to bring into this state, at the time of his said
removal, or within 12 months thereafter, certain negroes which he was
entitled to, and possessed of, under the last will and testament of his
grandfather John Poythress, and his father James Cocke, and has prayed that
a law may pass, authorizing him to remove the said negroes, as slaves, from
the state of Virginia into the state of Maryland, in the same manner that he
could have done at the time of his removal as aforesaid; and the prayer of
the said petition appearing reasonable, therefore, be it enacted, by the
General Assembly of Maryland, that the said James Cocke be and he is hereby
authorised and empowered, at any time or times within 12 months after the
passage of this act, to remove and bring into this state the said negro
slaves, or any of them, and their issue, in the same manner that he might or
could have done at the time of his own removal herein, any law to the
contrary thereof in any wise notwithstanding, provided the said doctor James
Cocke register the said negroes, and their issue, in Baltimore County court,
in the same manner as he by law would have been compelled to do had he have
brought them into this state within one year after his removal from Virginia
as aforesaid, and provided said negroes be of that description allowed by
the laws of this state to be removed and brought into this state. The
document showed that Dr. James Cocke was the son of James Cocke and the
grandson of John Poythress, Jr.

Professional Life
On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address of
loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received from
Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke, Anthony
Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison, Randall
Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas Daniell,
James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas Anderson,
James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard Bland,
Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes, George
Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The Sheriff was
Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley, Peter
Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij, Joshua
Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker, and
James Thweatt.

Civic Activities
A 1720 Act of the General Assembly, which took effect on January 1, 1721,
united the parts of Westover and Weyanoke on the south side of the James
River into Martin's Brandon parish. Also in 1720, Brunswick County,
Virginia, was created by an Act of the Virginia Assembly to establish a new
county from the southern part of Prince George County. Brunswick was named
for the Duchy of Brunswick, an ancestral German possession of the Electorate
of Hanover. The new Brunswick being deemed insufficient in population to
constitute a county, areas of the counties of Surry and Isle of Wight were
added to Brunswick in an effort to more equally distribute the tithable
individuals.
On January 11, 1721, in Prince George County, Joshua Poythress received 400
pounds tobacco for killing four wolves; John Gilliam, Sr., 200 pounds
tobacco for killing two wolves; Robert Poythress, John Poythress, John
Gilliam, Jr., and Richard Pace received 100 pounds each for killing one wolf
respectively.

Court Cases
On August 13, 1717, in Prince George County, in the action on the case
pending between John Pool and John Poythress, Francis Mallory and George
Hamilton were chosen by the said parties and appointed by the court to meet
and settle the difference between the said plaintiff and the defendant and
make report of their proceedings therein to the next court. Francis Mallory
(-1719), the son of Thomas and Mary Mallory, was the husband of Elizabeth
Goodrich. George Hamilton was mentioned in a deed with Richard Pace on July
12, 1718, and in a court document with Francis Poythress in April, 1739.
On September 10, 1717, in Prince George County, in the case brought by John
Pool against John Poythress for 200 pounds of tobacco due for stripping two
weighty hogsheads of tobacco, Francis Mallory and George Hamilton reported
that Poythress ought to pay Pool 140 pounds of tobacco and judgment was
granted.
On July 14, 1719, in Prince George County, in the action brought by Thomas
Goodwynn against John Poythress, for 34 pounds, 6 shillings, 3 pence, due by
account, the defendant being arrested and not appearing nor any Security
returned for him, on the motion of the plaintiff's attorney judgement was
granted him against the said defendant and James Thweatt, Sheriff, for the
said sum and costs unless the said defendant shall appear at the next court
and answer the said action. On October 13, 1719, in Prince George County,
the action on the case brought by Thomas Goodwynn against John Poythress,
the plaintiff failing to prosecute, the case was dismissed.

Property: Land
On October 23, 1703, in Charles City County, John Poythress, was granted 609
acres, on the south side of the James River, on the south side of the
Blackwater, to the Nottaway path, to the Blackwater spring, to the
Blackwater Maine Swamp, near Captain Robert Lucy's line, by Townes' Quarter,
adjoining Hercules Flood. The 609 acres was formerly granted to Francis
Poythress by a patent dated September 27, 1681, and was deserted by him and
since granted to John Poythress by the order of the General Court bearing
the date of April 21, 1703, for the transportation of thirteen persons into
the Colony, two of those individuals being Elizabeth Smith and Charles
Bartholomew. Charles Bartholomew was the name of Rebecca Poythress' second
husband. This may be part of the inheritance that John Poythress (c.
1681-1724) left his son, John Poythress, by Will in 1724. This land had
belonged to Major Francis Poythress, who patented the land on September 28,
1681.
In the 1704 Quit Rents Roll, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress,
Sr., paid taxes on 1,283 acres; John Poythress, Jr., paid taxes on 916
acres; and, Thomas Poythress, paid taxes on 616 acres.
On December 11, 1704, John Poythress sold 200 acres, on the north side of
the Blackwater swamp, in Prince George County, to Hubbard Gibson, Mary, his
wife, and Edward Gibson, his son. This property was a part of a greater
tract of 609 acres of land formerly granted by patent to Francis Poythress,
deceased, on September 27, 1681, and since his death was granted to John
Poythress on October 23, 1703.
On March 23, 1716, John Poythress, of Prince George County, was granted 100
acres, on the north side of the Maherrin River, in Isle of Wight County, on
the east side of the Long Meadow branch. This land appears to be near the
land of Hercules Flood and the late Major Francis Poythress, on the Long
Meadow adjacent to the Ealeroot Level.
On November 8, 1720, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, the Elder,
of Westover parish, in the County of Prince George, sold to John Poythress,
Jr., of the same parish and county, 150 acres, called by the name of
Powell's,
bounded on the north by Richard Bland, on the south by lands lately in the
occupation of Joseph Patterson, bounded easterly on the Deep Bottom and
westerly on the land of Thomas Poythress. The witnesses were Edward
Goodrich, Thomas Binford and Margaret Goodrich.
On September 5, 1723, John Poythress, of Prince George County, was granted
200 acres of new land, in Isle of Wight County, on the south side of the
Maherrin River, on the east side of the Cane Branch. This was the same
property re-patented by his son, John Poythress, on March 17, 1737, and sold
by Thomas Poythress to John Dawson on July 6, 1773.
On October 13, 1727, Captain John Poythress, of Prince George County, was
granted 275 acres of new land, on the south side of the Maherrin River, in
Brunswick County, on the south side of the Reedy Branch on the Beaver Pond
Creek. This was the same property sold by Thomas Poythress, of Martin's
Brandon parish, to William Rives on May 13, 1773. (This land was evidently
surveyed prior to John Poythress' death and awarded after his death).
John Poythress left more than 630 acres to his sons in his 1724 Will. He
acquired approximately 1,334 acres but sold 200 acres in December, 1704, to
Hubbard Gibson. Thomas Poythress sold 275 acres of this property in 1773.
John Poythress paid taxes on 916 acres in 1704. Seven slaves were mentioned
in the possession of John Poythress.

Pertinent Property
On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to William
Rains, of Westover parish, Prince George County, 176 acres, at Joans Hole
and the mouth of the Reedy Branch that ran between Rains' plantation and
Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne, John Hamlin
and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an endorsement making
over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed, joining upon
upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my son, Thomas Rains.
On June 28, 1707, in Surry County, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George
County, and his wife, Mary, sold 150 acres, to Benjamin Harrison, Esquire,
of Charles City County, on the north side of the Nottaway River. The
witnesses were Frances Mallory, Francis Poythress and Thomas Wynne.
On March 3, 1712, in Prince George County, Robert Mumford, of Bristol
parish, Prince George County, to Richard Bland, of the City of Williamsburg,
a lease to farm, land near Jordan's, between Deep Bottom and Cureton's
Bottom, in occupation of Thomas Burge, 430 acres, 130 thereof formerly
belonging to James Munford, father of said Robert, and given to him by
inheritance, part thereof from Colonel John Hardyman and the other 100 by
purchase from Mr. Francis Poythress, all of which appears by James Munford's
will. The deed was witnessed by Michael Wallace, Jane Wallace, Dorothy
Hillman. This land was adjacent to John Poythress' land.
On December 12, 1721, Hubbard Gibson and Mary, his wife, and Edward Gibson,
their son, of North Carolina, sold to Peter Poythress, of Prince George
County, of the Colony of Virginia, 200 acres, on the north side of the
Blackwater Swamp, in Prince George County, the same being part of a greater
tract of land granted to Francis Poythress, now deceased, and since his
death the said land was granted to John Poythress, son to the aforesaid
Francis Poythress, as lapsed from the said Francis Poythress and by the said
John Poythress sold unto the aforesaid, Hubbard Gibson, his wife, Mary and
their son, Edward Gibson, by deed dated December 11, 1704. The witnesses
were Richard Cureton, Richard Sykes and John Fennel.

Pertinent Information
The younger James Thweatt married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but
before that, he had been married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's
Will of 1714, William Soane, of Henrico county, mentioned "my daughter
Elizabeth, late wife of James Thweatt being dead...and my daughter, Judith
Thweatt." This younger James Thweatt was attending the Prince George County
Court as a Justice on June 14, 1715. And, on June 10, 1718 "James Thweatt
having produced a commission from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be
sheriff of this county, he accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond
was for £1,000 Sterling. Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at
the same time, taking the same oath. By 1719, Sheriff James Thweatt had a
son James, Jr., who was of age. They witnessed many deeds and Wills together
from then until 1726.
On April 12, 1720, in Prince George County, the last Will and testament of
Richard Bland, deceased, was presented into court by William Randolph and
Richard Randolph, executors, etc. Richard Bland (1665-1720) was married to
Elizabeth Randolph (1680-1720). Elizabeth's brothers were the executors of
Richard Bland's Will.

As Witness
On July 4, 1722, in Prince George County, James Binford, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, sold to Nathaniel Harrison, Esquire, of
Southwarke parish, in Surry County, 150 acres, in Lawnes Creek parish on the
lower side of Three Creeks, in Surry County. This land was granted to James
Binford on March 23, 1715. The witnesses were William Cocke, William Short,
John Poythress, John Woodlief, John Hamlin, Charles Lucas, James Baker and
John Hardyman.

John Poythress' Will
In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, proved May 12, 1724.
I give my son, John Poythress, and his heirs, my plantation where I live,
100 acres of land, as also 100 acres of land adjoining, called Colebrooks,
taking in the Ivy point, so running down Hugh Evans' Spring Bottom to
William Stainback's corner poplar, and also I give my said son, John
Poythress, and to his heirs, my tract of land lying on the south side of the
main Blackwater Swamp, not debarring his brothers, Francis and William
Poythress, from getting timber for their plantations' use, as also giving
them liberty to drive their stocks of hogs and cattle upon the land, if they
shall think fit, and if it should please God to take him out of the world
before he comes to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of his body
lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son, Francis
Poythress, should possess all the above said lands as is mentioned, and to
his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, and his heirs, land lying at and about the
place called Brick Chimneys, binding upon my son, John Poythress', and
brother, Thomas Poythress' lands, so round the Deep Bottom, taking in the
whole tract or dividend of land, and if it should please God to take him out
of the world before he arrives to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of
his body lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son,
William Poythress, should possess all the above said land mentioned, and to
his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and their heirs, 280 acres,
joining to Thomas Poythress' land, so running a south course over the horn
branch, and so binding upon John Young's, Dorrel Young's, and John
Winningham's land, to be equally divided betwixt my two sons, John and
Francis Poythress, and to their heirs forever.
I give my son, William Poythress, and his heirs, 150 acres, binding upon
Thomas Poythress' and Thomas Lovesay's land, formerly belonging to Joseph
Patterson, called Powell's, and if it should please God to take him out of
the world before he arrives to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of his
body lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son, John
Poythress, should possess the above mentioned land, and his heirs lawfully
begotten forever.
I give my son, John Poythress, a small featherbed and furniture, six new
rush leather chairs, one chest, one gun, and a mare, a young horse, and the
increase of her forever, to him and his heirs for ever.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, a small feather bed and furniture, one
young mare about three years old, and her increase to him and his heirs for
ever.
I give my son, William Poythress, a bay mare, and her increase, to him and
his heirs for ever.
I give my three sons, John, Francis and William Poythress, all of my stock
of hogs and cattle, to be equally divided amongst them, only what I shall
give hereafter unto my loving wife, Mary Poythress, which is four cows and
calves, and a parcel of hogs as uses about Colebrooks, about twenty or
thirty of them, and my will further is that as much of the stock be disposed
of as will be of value sufficient to enter and survey 400 acres of land in
the woods, according to the discretion of my executors, for my son, William
Poythress, and to be patented in his name, and then the remaining part of
the stock to be equally divided between my three sons, John, Francis and
William Poythress, and their heirs forever.
I give my three sons, John, Francis and William Poythress, my three negroes,
Betty, Judy and Grace, and their increase, to be equally divided when my
son, William Poythress, comes to the age of 18 years, and my will and desire
is that my son, John Poythress, should have the aforesaid negroes, with
their increase, in his possession, when he shall attain to the age of 21,
and there to remain till my son, William, attains to the age of 18 years,
then they and their increase to be equally divided between my three sons,
John, Francis and William Poythress, and to their heirs lawfully begotten
forever.
I give my daughter, Rebecca Poythress, my negro man, Tom, and one featherbed
and furniture, to her and her heirs for ever.
I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, my negro boy, Jamy, to her and her
heirs for ever.
I give my daughter, Ann Poythress, my negro boy, Will, to her and her heirs
for ever.
I give my loving wife, Mary Poythress, my negro man, Seipis(?), one
featherbed and furniture, four cows and calves and a parcel of hogs uses
about Colebrooks, and all my pewter, brass, and iron, as I am possessed
with, and my two working horses, and all the rest of the small matters as is
not mentioned in this my last Will and Testament, to her and her heirs for
ever.
I appoint Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, pastor, my executors of this
my last Will and testament. The witnesses, Francis Epes, Jr., William
Stainback and John Winningham. At a court held at Merchant's Hope for Prince
George County, on Tuesday, May 12, 1724, the last Will and testament of John
Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert Poythress and John
Woodlief, his executors, who made oath thereto, and it was proved by the
oaths of Francis Epes, William Stainback and John Winningham. And on the
motion of the said Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, executors, and their
giving Bond and Security according to law, Certificate was granted them for
obtaining a probate of the said Will in due form. The Will was recorded,
August 11, 1724, at a court at Merchant's Hope, for Prince George County,
with an account of personal property items valued at £209/14/5. John
Stainback, John Winningham and William Stainback were the appraisers.

The 150 acres called Powell's, left to William Poythress, was bought by his
father, John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), on November 8, 1720, from Francis
Poythress. The land that was inherited by John Poythress' son, John
Poythress, was possibly bought by John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), on October
23, 1703, and on September 5, 1723.

On December 13, 1726, in the Prince George County court, the inventory of
the estate of Captain John Poythress, deceased, was valued at £130/12/8. The
executors of the Will were Robert Poythress and John Woodlief. The legatees
were Mary, his wife, Rebecca, his daughter, Elizabeth, his daughter, Colonel
William Randolph, Captain Richard Randolph and John Fitzgerald, among
others.		01/13/2006 9:24:07
Captain John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George County, 3rd GenerationMichael TutorThe John Poythresses, the William Poythresses and the Francis Poythresses
have been saved for last because there are so many of them and due to the
fact that it is hard to separate their lives. Once these are complete, we
will work on the Thomas Poythress line as that line seems to have the most
descendants and will be the main focus once we get started on Thomas
Poythress' many descendants.

As Deloris Wynne-Riley has so aptly mentioned, there are a lot of "internet
genealogists" that will take the printed word on the internet as gospel. I
will say again that these "life stories" are not the last word. There are
many records that have not been found and studied. We are working with the
known records today just as Hall, Smith, Batte and the other respected
genealogists made their studies during their lifetimes. At present, Dorman
is completing his research in order to produce Volume 2 and 3 of
"Adventurers of Purse and Person."

The "life stories" posted to this website have been an effort to form a
somewhat firm foundation from which to work. The format is not exactly
reader friendly but should provide a basic format for comparison and
evaluation. Each life story identifies an individual family member, his
approximate life span, his immediate family members, his profession, his
activities, his property and any inheritance or association with collateral
lines.

It will still require hours of comparison, research and study of the
Poythress "family tree," deed transactions and inheritances, census
comparisons, "virtual censuses," military records, historical events, family
associations, group associations, court records, business records, tax
records, family lore, etc., to finally delineate the individual members of
the Poythress family. However, once the records have been evaluated word for
word and the existence of each individual identified, further development of
the "family tree" will inevitably lead to further undeniable conclusions.

The final word will remain with the individual serious researcher to
determine the validity of any conclusions based upon the written records and
facts.

As my usual caution, I will repeat that a project of this magnitude will
incur mistakes and typographical errors.

This posting and the one to follow will be an attempt to identify the lives
of Captain John Poythress, Sr., and Captain John Poythress, Jr. The
conclusion as to whether John Poythress, Sr., had a son Thomas or whether
Thomas was a brother of John Poythress, Jr., and therefore a son of Major
Francis Poythress will have to be made by each reader based upon the
records. John Poythress, Sr., and John Poythress, Jr., were first cousins.

The Third Generation: Captain John Poythress, of Prince George County
R. Bolling Batte on John Poythress
[26 John Poythress m. Mary Batte, daughter of Henry and Mary (Lound) Batte.
To avoid confusion with his first cousin John Poythress 43 (whose wife was
also named Mary), this John was usually designated as "Sen." or "Sr." while
cousin John was designated as "Jun." or "Jr." In 1720, John Poythress, Sr.,
and Mary, his wife, together with four other couples, the five wives all
being daughters of Henry Batte, deceased., join in deed of partition whereby
they divide 1200 acres in Prince George left by the will of Henry Batte to
his daughters. John Poythress, Sr., was a captain in the militia and he
represented Pr. Geo. in the House of Burgesses in 1723 and 1726. In 1727, as
Capt. John Poythress he was granted 225 acres on the south side of the
Meherrin, which land later fell into Brunswick County. The identical land
was sold in 1773 by one Thomas Poythress who may have been a son or grandson
of John, Sr.]
[10. John Poythress (John Poythress2, Mary ______1) was born ABT 1664 in VA
[(P_1) BF], and died AFT 1726. He married Mary Batte 1689, daughter of Henry
Batte and Mary Lound. She was born 1670 in VA [BATTE 142] [(P_1) BF (W)],
and died 1760.
Child of John Poythress and Mary Batte is:
+ 36 i. Thomas Poythress was born AFT 1689 in VA [(P_1) BFA] Martin Brandon
Parish, Prince George County, and died in VA [Batte 142 A].]

Family
John Poythress was born about 1674, in Charles City County, the son of John
Poythress and Christian Peebles. He married Mary Batte, the daughter of
Henry Batte and Mary Lound. He died after May 27, 1726.

Inheritance
On December 11, 1712, the Will of John's father, John Poythress, Sr., of
Prince George County, was proved by John Winningham, Peter Leeth and William
Stainback. John Poythress, Sr., appointed his half-brothers, Thomas Wynne
and Joshua Wynne, and his friend, William Stainback, to divide his estate.
He appointed John's mother, Christian, and John Poythress, to be executors
of his Will. He named his two brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William
Stainback to divide his estate. He gave his son, John, two negroes, Bess and
Nanny, and their increase, and an equal share of his moveable estate. John,
and his brother, Peter, were to give an account of what they had in hand.
The witnesses of the Will were John Winningham, Peter Leeth, Thomas Leeth
and William Stainback.

On December 9, 1712, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George
County, deeded to Thomas Poythress, of the same, for £20, all of my tract in
Westover parish, known as "Odiums," 100 acres, bounded by John Winningham,
the said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom Run, being the dividing line of
Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were Edward
Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded December 11, 1712.

In June, 1717, in Prince George County, in the suit in Chancery brought by
Charles Anderson against John Poythress and Henry Offley, neither party
appearing, the case was dismissed. However, in another entry, Charles
Anderson, having filed a Bill in Chancery against John Poythress, executor
of John Poythress, deceased, and Henry Offley, late of London, Merchant, it
was ordered that a summons be issued against the said John Poythress and
Henry Offley to appear at the next court and answer the said charges. Under
the date of July 9, 1717, in Prince George County, was an identical entry to
the text above, regarding Charles Anderson. (It is speculated that the court
took action in July identical to that taken in June, and the clerk, seeing
no point in re-composing the entries, simply duplicated them). On August 13,
1717, in Prince George County, the suit in Chancery brought by Charles
Anderson against Henry Offley, late of London, Merchant and John Poythress,
surviving executor of the last Will and testament of John Poythress,
deceased. Thomas Simmons, sub-Sheriff, took oath to the service of the Writ
and charged Poythress and he failing to appear, an attachment was granted
the complainant against the body of the said Poythress returnable to the
next court and it was ordered that the said summons was also against the
said Offley returnable to the next court. On September 10, 1717, in Prince
George County, in the case of Charles Anderson versus Henry Offley, late of
London, Merchant, and John Poythress, executor of John Poythress, deceased,
John Poythress appeared and said that he had in his hands money enough of
Offley's to pay the plaintiff £19/1/3, and that he would pay. On December
11, 1717, in Prince George County, in the chancery suit of Walter Vernon
versus John Poythress, surviving executor of the Will of John Poythress,
deceased, the defendant appeared and was granted time to answer. On March
11, 1718, in Prince George County, in the suit of chancery of Walter Vernon
versus John Poythress, the surviving executor of John Poythress, deceased,
the plaintiff had until the next court to file a reply to the defendant's
answer. On January 13, 1719, in Prince George County, the entry was
identical to the text above regarding Charles Anderson on July 9, 1717.

Professional Life
On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address of
loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received from
Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke, Anthony
Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison, Randall
Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas Daniell,
James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, Jno. Hunt, Thomas Anderson,
James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard Bland,
Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes, George
Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The Sheriff was
Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley, Peter
Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij, Joshua
Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker, and
James Thweatt.
Governor Spotswood appointed Captain John Poythress, Sr., to serve with
Colonel John Hardyman, Major Joshua Wynne and Captain Francis Mallory as
members of the Commission to investigate the Virginia-North Carolina line on
October 21, 1707. They were to examine under oath "such ancient inhabitants
of Prince George, Surry, Isle of Wight and Nansemond counties and discover
the truth as to the said bounds between the said colonies." Also they were
to ask the "ancient and intelligent Indians of the Nottoway, Meherrins and
Nansemond nations," what they knew about the area. Among the old inhabitants
of Prince George County that were deposed was Robert Bolling, Gentleman,
aged 61, who "hath known the Nottoway river for 37 years or more" and "Major
Wynne's quarter is on the sight of the old Nottoway Indian town." Joshua
Wynne (1661-1715) was the son of Robert Wynne (1622-1678) and Mary Poythress
Wynne, and therefore an uncle to John Poythress (c. 1674-aft. 1724). John
Poythress was a cousin to the Hardymans, and John Poythress' wife, Mary
Batte (c. 1674-c. 1760), was a granddaughter of Martha Mallory.
James Thweat, of Bristol parish, aged 64 years or thereabouts, swore before
Benjamin Harrison, Jr., and John Hardiman, on November 12, 1707, that he had
known the River, now called Nottoway River, for 48 years or more and that it
had never been called by any other name. When he first became acquainted
with those parts, the chief town of the Nottoway Indians was on the south
side of the Nottaway River where Major Wynne's Quarter is now located, about
three miles above the mouth of Monksneck Creek, and some few of them lived
at Rowonte, which is about 4 miles up Monksneck creek; and two or three
families of them at Tonnatora, which is on the north side of the Nottaway
River, and that they lived at some of these places, and at Cottashowrock,
and thereabouts, until 25 or 26 years ago, and then they removed and settled
their great town upon Atyamonsock Swamp at the place now called Old Town.
About 48 years ago, the Meherrin Indians lived upon the Meherrin River at
Cowochahawkon and some of them at Unote, and about 24 years ago some of them
lived at Unote and some at Taurara, but how long they lived there after that
time, he could not remember. James Thweatt (1643-), of Bristol parish, was
an officer in the Virginia militia when he signed the loyalty oath on March
12, 1702. In 1704, he owned 750 acres, some on the south side of the
Appomattox River, which was in Bristol parish, and some on the south side of
the James river which was in Jordan's parish. James Thweatt, the Elder, and
Robert Bolling were both questioned about the Virginia-North Carolina
dividing line.
On March 13, 1712, in Prince George County, the inventory and appraisal of
the estate of Edward Maine, deceased, was presented in court and the
appraisers were sworn before John Poythress. The inventory was presented by
Francis Mallory, the administrator, and it was ordered that the inventory be
recorded.
On June 14, 1715, in Prince George County, John Poythress, among others, was
listed present as a Gentleman Justice for the court. Typically, these
gentlemen justices were listed as present at the recording of each monthly
opening of the court. John Poythress was listed, among others, present as a
Gentleman Justice on July 6, 1715; August 9, 1715; and September 13, 1715.
On March 13, 1716, John Poythress and James Thweatt and others appeared in
court, took the usual oaths, signed the tests and were, accordingly, sworn
Justices of Prince George County, pursuant to a Commission of Peace, etc.,
dated December 8, 1715.
John Poythress was listed, among others, present as a Gentleman Justice of
Prince George County on April 2, 1716; June 12, 1716; and on October 9,
1716, at a court held at Merchant's Hope, in Prince George County. On March
13, 1717, in Prince George County, pursuant to the Act for appointing
Sheriffs, John Poythress, Samson Meredith and Richard Hamlin, Gentlemen
Justices, were recommended to the Honorable then Governor to execute the
office of Sheriff the ensuing year. On March 13, 1717, pursuant to a
commission of the Peace, dated December 8, 1715, John Poythress, James
Thweatt and Lewis Green, Jr., took the oaths as Justices of Prince George
County. John Poythress was listed, among others, present as a Gentleman
Justice, of Prince George County, at Merchant's Hope on May 14, 1717; June
11, 1717; October 8, 1717; December 10 and 11, 1717; January 14, 1718; and,
March 11, 1718. On March 11, 1718, in Prince George County, John Poythress,
Robert Mumford, and James Thweatt, Gentleman Justices, were recommended to
the Governor as persons fit to be Sheriff of the County. On April 9, 1718,
at a court held at Merchant's Hope, for Prince George County, for receiving
and certifying to the next session of the Assembly for Propositions,
Grievances and Public Claims of the said County, present, among others, was
John Poythress, Gentleman Justice. John Poythress was listed, among others,
present as a Gentleman Justice, of Prince George County, on June 10, 1718;
July 8, 1718; August 12, 1718; January 13, 1718/9; and, May 12, 1719.
John Poythress was listed among others as present as a Gentleman justice of
Prince George County on July 15, 1719, and on September 8, 1719.
On September 8, 1719, in Prince George County, Richard Pace, Thomas Kirkland
and William Reese made an appraisement of the estate of Phillip Jane,
deceased, sworn before John Poythress. Elizabeth Jane was the
administratrix.
John Poythress was listed among others, present, as a Gentleman Justice of
Prince George County on October 13, 1719, and on November 11, 1719.
On November 11, 1719, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Samson
Meredith and John Hardyman, among others, were present as Gentlemen
Justices. [Note: from here and sporadically forward, John Poythress appeared
to co-sign William Hamlin's order to close the court]. John Poythress was
listed among others, present, as a Gentleman Justice of Prince George County
on January 12, 1720.
On March 8, 1720, in Prince George County, pursuant to the direction of the
Act for Appointing Sheriffs, John Poythress, Robert Mumford and John
Hardyman, Gentlemen Justices, were recommended to the Honorable Lieutenant
Governor as fit and able to execute the office as Sheriff of this County for
the next ensuing year.
On March 8, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress, John Hardyman and
Louis Green, Gentlemen, were recommended to the Honorable Lieutenant
Governor, as fit and able to execute the office of Coroners of this County.
John Poythress was listed among others, present, as a Gentleman Justice of
Prince George County on March 11, 1720.
John Poythress was listed among others, present, as a Gentleman justice of
Prince George County on June 14, 1720.
On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Hardyman, John Poythress and
Edward Goodrich were to make oaths as Sheriffs. John Poythress and Edward
Goodrich entered bond with John Hardyman for his performance as Sheriff.
John Hardyman (1686-1738), son of John Hardyman and Mary Epes, was married
to Henrietta Maria Taylor, daughter of John Taylor. Edward Goodrich
(1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne (1694-1729), daughter of Joshua
Wynne and Mary Jones.
On June 14, 1720, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Robert Poythress
and John Woodlief, having taken the official oaths of allegiance, signed the
test, were sworn vestrymen of Westover parish.
John Poythress was listed among others, present, as a Gentleman Justice of
Prince George County on August 9, 1720, and on September 13, 1720.
John Poythress was both attorney and social acquaintance to Elizabeth Taylor
Duke. On September 19, 1720, Colonel William Byrd recorded in his diary that
he dined at his home, Westover, with Mrs. Duke and her attorney, Mr.
Poythress, along with his "brother and sister Duke," James Duke and his
wife, Mary Byrd Duke.
John Poythress was listed, among others, present, as a Gentleman Justice of
Prince George County on October 31, 1720, and on January 10, 1721. On
January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Woodlief and John Poythress,
among others, were chosen Vestrymen for the parish of Martin's Brandon
parish and accordingly appeared in court and took the Oath appointed by law,
signed the test, and were sworn Vestrymen of the parish.
John Poythress, was a member of the assembly in the House of Burgesses, for
1723 to 1726. The first session of this Assembly was called for December 5,
1722, but was prorogued and did not meet until May 9, 1723. The second and
last session met May 12, 1726. He was in attendance at a meeting May 27,
1726, when the House of Burgesses petitioned the King asking retroactive
approval for a tax placed upon all imported liquors, except from Great
Britain, to fund the operation of William & Mary College; also, asking the
King to find additional monies for this purpose "out of your unappropriated
and growing Revenue of Quit Rents in this Colony, or any other way that your
Majesty shall think more proper." Signatures in the House of Burgesses for
Prince George County were Robert Bolling and John Poythress. The full text
may be found in the Swem index.

Civic Activities
On May 8, 1712, in Prince George County, an inventory and appraisal of the
estate of John Hardyman, deceased, was valued at £845/12/0 by R. Hall, John
Poythress and Edmund Irby and presented by John Hardyman, the administrator.
On April 19, 1717, in Prince George County, on the petition of John Hobbs, a
surveyor of the highways, it was ordered that Captain John Poythress'
tithables, James Bishop, William Hobbes, Peter Poythress and William
Poythress assist said Hobbs in clearing the highways.
On May 13, 1718, in Prince George County, Mr. Sampson Meredith was ordered
to take the list of tithables in Martin's Brandon parish on 10th June next;
Captain John Poythress was to do the same in Weyanoke parish on 20th June
next; Captain John Hamlin in Westover parish; and, Major Robert Bolling in
Bristol parish.
On December 9, 1718, in Prince George County, Elizabeth Duke, the relict of
Henry Duke, deceased, of this county, appeared and said that her husband had
died without a Will. She was appointed administratrix with John Hardyman her
security. Mr. John Hatch, Captain Hamlin, Captain John Poythress and Gilbert
Hay appraised and inventoried the estate of Captain Henry Duke, in Prince
George County, on January 22, 1719.
On April 14, 1719, in Prince George County, Henry Batte made oath that
Thomas Harwell, deceased, died intestate, and was granted administration of
his estate. John Poythress, Robert Poythress, John Fitzgerald and Edward
Mitchell were to take inventory.
On April 14, 1719, in Prince George County, Joshua Poythress, Robert
Poythress, John Fitzgerald and Edward Mitchell, were nominated and appointed
to appraise the estate of Thomas Harwell, deceased, and make a report of
their proceedings therein to the next court when Henry Batte, the
administrator, thereof was ordered to return the inventory.
On May 12, 1719, in Prince George County, Mr. Samson Meredith was appointed
to take a list of tithables in Martin's Brandon parish on June 10 next;
Captain John Poythress was appointed in Weyanoke parish; Mr. John Hardyman
was appointed in Westover parish; and, Major Robert Bolling was appointed in
Bristol Parish.
On June 9, 1719, in Prince George County, John Poythress, John Hatch,
William Harrison and Gilbert Hay were ordered to appraise the estate of
Randle Pratt, deceased, and make a report of their proceedings to the next
court when Henry Holder, as the executor, was to return the inventory.
On May 10, 1720, in Prince George County, the assignments of those that were
made to take the lists of tithables were John Poythress, Gentleman, in
Weyanoke parish, Samson Meredith, Gentleman in Martin's Brandon parish, etc.
A 1720 Act of the General Assembly, which took effect on January 1, 1721,
united the parts of Westover and Weyanoke on the south side of the James
River into Martin's Brandon parish. Also in 1720, Brunswick County,
Virginia, was created by an Act of the Virginia Assembly to establish a new
county from the southern part of Prince George County. The new Brunswick
being deemed insufficient in population to constitute a county, areas of the
counties of Surry and Isle of Wight were added to Brunswick in an effort to
more equally distribute the titheable individuals.
On January 10, 1721, in Prince George County, John Poythress, Edmund Irby,
Gilbert Hay and William Harrison were chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise the
estate of Edward Goodrich. Margaret Goodrich, the executrix, was to return
the inventory.
On January, 1725, in Prince George County, Captain John Poythress was to
receive by order of the court 1 pound, 12 shillings, 6 pence, from the
estate of Edward Goodrich.
On August 9, 1726, in Prince George County, John Poythress swore to an
account of the goods and chattel of Charles Goodrich.
On December 13, 1726, in Prince George County, John Poythress swore to the
inventory of chattels of Littlebury Hardyman.
On June 10, 1727, in Prince George County, John Poythress swore to the
estate inventory of William Jackson.

Court Cases
March 11, 1718, in Prince George County, in the case of Francis Epes versus
John Poythress, the plaintiff failing to prosecute, a non suit was granted
the defendant.

Property: Personal Property and Land
In November, 1708, in Surry County, it was ordered that Sarah, an Indian
slave, to John Poythress be added to the list of tithables this present
year. In September, 1709, in Surry County, upon the petition of John
Poythress, it was ordered that Sarah, his Indian slave, at Nottaway River,
be added to Mr. William Cock's list of tithables this present year.
On June 22, 1708, John Poythress, took out a patent, for 600 acres, in
Prince George County, and found that part of it was in Surry County. It was
ordered that the Surry Surveyor lay that part off, etc.
On June 8, 1714, in Prince George County, Sarah Daniel, of Westover parish,
to John Poythress, Sr., of Weyanoke parish, 50 acres of land bounded on the
west by Birchen swamp, on the north by Joseph Daniel, on the east by the
said John Poythress and on the south by Thomas Goodwyn. The witnesses were
Robert Poythress and Edward Woodlief.
On July 15, 1717, John Poythress, of Prince George County, was granted 267
acres of new land, on the south side of the main Blackwater River, in Surry
County, on the southwest side of the Indian Swamp, by the side of Beaver
Pond Swamp. This land was leased out by Robert Poythress (1690-1743) on
March 22, 1733.
On July 12, 1725, John Hardyman, of Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince
George County, sold to John Poythress, of the same parish and county, 2
acres of land, with a mill, in Prince George County, on Ward's Run bounded
by Sarah Wall and John Wilkins. John Hardyman obliged himself to title on
the penalty of £80. The witnesses were Joshua Poythress and William
Poythress. The court was at Merchant's Hope. Henrietta Maria Hardyman, the
wife of John Hardyman, released her dower.
John Poythress acquired 919 acres. Robert Poythress leased out 267 acres of
this property in 1733. One Indian slave was mentioned in the possession of
John Poythress.

Adjoining Property
On December 16, 1723, Adam Ivy, of Isle of Wight County, sold to Edward
Prince, of Prince George County, 130 acres in Martin's Brandon parish, in
Prince George County, bounded on the east by Gilbert Hay, on the south by
Robert Hobbs and Captain John Poythress, on the west by land lately sold by
Mr. Peter Poythress, and on the north by Gilbert Hay. The witnesses, Gilbert
Hay, Hugh Ivy and David Dunkesin.

Pertinent Information
In 1702, Captain Thomas Wynne and his brother, Joshua Wynne, were appointed
interpreters to accompany the Nottaway and Meherrin commissioners on their
trip north to make peace with the Seneca Indians. In 1703, the Nottoway,
Nansemonds, and Meherrin tribes requested that Major Joshua Wynne, and his
brother, Thomas Wynne, be appointed Indian interpreters for the tribes. When
a Chief of one of these tribes was taken prisoner by the Senecas, the Wynne
brothers were asked to accompany the Indians to gain the release of the
Chief due to the impasse between the tribes and the Senecas. The Wynnes were
able to win the release of their chief and a tribal war was temporarily
averted.
On January 12, 1705, at Westover, the Will of Colonel William Byrd was
examined by Francis Nicholson, Esquire, her majesty's Lieutenant and
Governor General, of Virginia, in the presence of the honorable Colonel
Henry Duke, one of her majesty's honorable council of Virginia, Captain
Littlebury Epps of Charles City County, Henry Duke, Jr., of James City
County, Gentleman; and Captain Joshua Wynne, of Prince George County, who
said that the original Will appeared to have been written in its entirety in
Colonel Byrd's own hand without any blot or interlineation and sealed with
his own seal.

As Witness
On May 1, 1716, in Surry County, Samuel Harwood, Jr., of Weyanoke parish, in
Charles City County, to Thomas Cocke, of Southwarke parish, in Surry County,
100 acres, on the south side of the Nottoway River, in Lawnes Creek parish,
bounded by a branch of Poplar Swamp (the land being part of 445 acres in
Isle of Wight County granted to said Samuel Harwood, Jr., on June 16, 1714).
The witnesses were John Cargill and John Poythress.
On February 14, 1721, in Prince George County, Adam Ivy returned into court,
estate of Elizabeth Ivy, ordered to be recorded. Present were John Hamlin,
John Poythress and Robert Bolling.
On May 13, 1725, William Coleman sold to John Coleman, 185 acres, on the
east side of the great branch of Whipponock Creek, in Prince George County.
After 1753, this land was in Dinwiddie County. The witnesses were Robert
Bolling, John Poythress and Drury Bolling at a court at Merchant's Hope.

Family Estates
On April 4, 1719, in Prince George County, John Drayton, one of the orphans
of Roger Drayton, deceased, chose Captain John Poythress, as his guardian.

In Prince George County, the Will of Elizabeth Ivie, of Weyanoke parish, in
Prince George County, dated April 26, 1718, proved March 8, 1719.
I give my son, George Ivie, twenty shillings, or the worth of twenty in some
commodity, as my executor shall see fit.
I give my son, Henry Ivie, a gold ring.
I give my son, John Ivie, my bed and what belongs to it.
I give my son, Gilbert Ivie, twenty shillings, or the worth of twenty.
I give my daughter, Susan Hays, a gold ring.
I give my son, Adam Ivie, and his daughter, Elizabeth Ivie, all the
remaining part of my household goods, to be equally divided between them as
he shall see fit, and I do hereby appoint my son, Adam Ivie, my sole
executor to see this my last Will and testament truly fulfilled, as witness
my hand and seal this April 26, 1718. Elizabeth Ivie. The witnesses were
Elizabeth Foster and Mary Poythress. At a Court held at Merchant's Hope for
Prince George County on the second Tuesday, March 8, 1719, the above written
last Will and testament of Elizabeth Ivie, deceased., was presented into
court by Adam Ivie, her executor, who made oath thereto, and it being proved
by the oath of Elizabeth Foster a witness thereto, is by order of the court
truly recorded. And on the motion of Adam Ivie and his giving security
according to law, Certificate is granted him for obtaining a probate in due
form. Mary Batte Poythress (1670-1760), wife of John Poythress (c.
1676-after 5/1726), was a witness to this will. Elizabeth Ivey (-1720) was
the wife of Adam Ivey (c. 1640-c. 1710).

On September 4, 1720, in Prince George County, an indenture between John
Poythress, Sr., and Mary, his wife, of Prince George County; Henry Ligon and
Elizabeth, his wife; Edward Stratton and Ann, his wife, of Henrico County;
James Parham and Rachel, his wife, of Isle of Wight County; Abraham Jones
and his wife, Sarah, of Prince George County. Whereas Henry Batte, deceased,
of Prince George County, by his last Will and Testament bequeathed a certain
tract of land, in Bristol parish, in Prince George County, lying on both
sides of the Second Swamp, containing 1,200 acres, to be equally divided
between his five daughters, Mary, wife of John Poythress, Sr.; Elizabeth,
wife of Henry Ligon; Anne, wife of Edward Stratton; Rachel, wife of James
Parham; Sarah, wife of Abraham Jones, etc. This was a deed partitioning the
land in accordance with the Will mentioned. James Parham and Rachell, their
parcel of 240 acres being on the land of Abraham Jones, it being the lower
part of said tract. Abraham Jones' and Sarah's parcel of 240 acres being on
the land of John Poythress. The partition was acknowledged by John
Poythress, Sr., and wife, Henry Ligon and wife, Edward Stratton and wife,
and Lewis Green, Jr., attorney of James Parham, Rachel Parham, Abraham Jones
and Sarah Jones. The division of land, viz: Mary, the wife of John
Poythress, 240 acres; Eliza, the wife of Henry Ligon, 240 acres; Ann, the
wife of Edward Stratton, 240 acres; Rachell, the wife of James Parham, 240
acres; and, Sarah, the wife of Abraham Jones, 240 acres. This indenture was
signed by all five of Batte's daughters and their husbands, and was
witnessed by James Thweatt, James Thweatt, Jr., and William Anderson, at a
court at Merchant's Hope, Prince George County, where it was recorded on
June 13, 1721. John Poythress, Sr., (1674-after 5/1726) was married to Mary
Batte (1669-1760); Henry Ligon was married to Elizabeth Batte; Abraham Jones
(1690-) was married to Sarah Batte; Edward Stratton was married to Ann
Batte; and, James Parham was married to Rachel Batte.

On October 4, 1727, in Prince George County, in a Certificate of Probate for
the Will of Henry Batte, the Will named Henry Batte's mother, Mary Batte,
and his sister, Mary Poythress. The witness was Robert Poythress.

After Mary Poythress' Death
On March 8, 1760, in Prince George County, the appraisement of the estate of
Mary Poythress, deceased, viz: livestock, furniture, household items
(itemized), was appraised at £61/18/7. The appraisers were Anthony
Penniston, Peter Epes and Nathaniel Raines. Signed by John Watts,
administrator of the estate of Mary Poythress. Sworn before Richard Bland,
Jr. Mary Batte Poythress (1664-1760) was the wife of John Poythress
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75 ii. Elizabeth Poythress was born BEF 1724 in VA [(P_1) DCD].
76 iii. Rebecca Poythress was born BEF 1724 in VA [(P_1) DCE].
77 iv. Anne Poythress was born BEF 1724 in VA [(P_1) DCF].
+78 v. Francis Poythress was born 1707 in ~Virginia [(P_1) DCD], and died
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79 vi. William Poythress was born AFT 1717 in VA [(P_1) DCC].]

Family
John Poythress was born about 1681, in Charles City County, the son of
Francis Poythress and Rebecca Coggin. He married Mary (Hardyman?) about
1710. Their children were (1) John Poythress (c. 1711-bef. 6/1760); (2)
Frances Poythress, (3) Rebecca Poythress, (4) Elizabeth Poythress (c.
1720-bef. 7/1801), who married James Cocke; (5) William Poythress, and (6)
Anne Poythress. John Poythress was dead before May 12, 1724. His wife, Mary,
married John Abington before February 8, 1725.

Son, William Poythress
On March 13, 1739, in Prince George County, on the complaints of William
Poythress, one of the orphans of John Poythress, of Jordan's, deceased, who
was bound as apprentice to Robert Simpson, of this county, for misusage and
which complaints appeared to be just the said William was discharged from
the apprenticeship and chose Charles Irby, his guardian, who had time until
the next court to appear and give bond and security.

Daughter, Elizabeth Poythress
July, 1801, in Prince George County, the Will of Elizabeth Cocke, dated
1800.
To Elizabeth Cocke, 400 acres, the plantation she bought of Richard
Harrison, also 100 acres, adjoining it known by the name of the Woodyard.
To James Cocke, the land she inherited "by the death of her brother, John
Poythress, called Goodwine, also the land she purchased of John Worthen.
To Benjamin Cocke, the remainder of Woodyard after deducting 300 acres
devised to her daughter, Elizabeth." (Woodyard was described as being 12
miles east of the Prince George courthouse).

In 1789, Elizabeth Cocke was listed with two tracts of 234 acres each, one
of which she inherited direct and the other at the death of her brother,
John Poythress. Elizabeth Poythress married Captain James Cocke, son of
Benjamin Cocke. James Cocke died about 1783. Prince George County tax lists
mentioned her tract "Goodwines" that she inherited from her brother, John
Poythress. James Cocke served in the Navy during the Revolution. He was
Captain of the Raleigh that patrolled the James River. From November 2,
1776, to February, 1777, he commanded the cruiser Manley Galley.

November, 1809, Chapter 63, laws of Maryland under the control and direction
of the levy court, and by them applied towards defraying the county charges.
Passed, January 6, 1810, an Act authorizing Doctor James Cocke to remove
certain negroes into the state of Maryland. Whereas the said James Cocke
has, by his petition set forth, that in the year 1804, he removed from
Virginia to this state, but being then undetermined as to the place of his
permanent residence, he did not avail himself of the power he enjoyed under
the acts of assembly, to bring into this state, at the time of his said
removal, or within 12 months thereafter, certain negroes which he was
entitled to, and possessed of, under the last will and testament of his
grandfather John Poythress, and his father James Cocke, and has prayed that
a law may pass, authorizing him to remove the said negroes, as slaves, from
the state of Virginia into the state of Maryland, in the same manner that he
could have done at the time of his removal as aforesaid; and the prayer of
the said petition appearing reasonable, therefore, be it enacted, by the
General Assembly of Maryland, that the said James Cocke be and he is hereby
authorised and empowered, at any time or times within 12 months after the
passage of this act, to remove and bring into this state the said negro
slaves, or any of them, and their issue, in the same manner that he might or
could have done at the time of his own removal herein, any law to the
contrary thereof in any wise notwithstanding, provided the said doctor James
Cocke register the said negroes, and their issue, in Baltimore County court,
in the same manner as he by law would have been compelled to do had he have
brought them into this state within one year after his removal from Virginia
as aforesaid, and provided said negroes be of that description allowed by
the laws of this state to be removed and brought into this state. The
document showed that Dr. James Cocke was the son of James Cocke and the
grandson of John Poythress, Jr.

Professional Life
On March 12, 1702 the Governor and Council of Virginia made an address of
loyalty to the King of England. A similar loyal address was received from
Charles City County. The Grand Jury was composed of John Cocke, Anthony
Wyatt, Robert New, Thomas Jackson, George Pasmoore, James Harrison, Randall
Madax, Roger Best, David Gudgam, John Wickett, John Daniel, Thomas Daniell,
James Gabeker, Thomas Woodham, Robert Harwood, John Hunt, Thomas Anderson,
James Gunn, Daniel Higdon, and John Baxter. The Justices were Richard Bland,
Charles Goodrich, Daniel Lewellin, Robert Bolling, Littlebury Epes, George
Blighton, John Hardiman, Joshua Wynne and Richard Bradford. The Sheriff was
Micajah Lowe. The Militia Officers were Thomas Simmons, Adam Tapley, Peter
Poythress, Anthony Wyatt, John Epes, Francis Epes, John Limbreij, Joshua
Wynne, Micajah Lowe, John Hamlin, John Epes, John Reeker, Jr., Thomas
Harrison, John Poythress, John Poythress, Richard Hamlin, John Baxton,
William Byrd, Edward Hill, Charles Goodrich, Littlebury Epes, George
Blighton, Richard Bradford, John Taylor, Peter Jones, Richard Reeker, and
James Thweatt.

Civic Activities
A 1720 Act of the General Assembly, which took effect on January 1, 1721,
united the parts of Westover and Weyanoke on the south side of the James
River into Martin's Brandon parish. Also in 1720, Brunswick County,
Virginia, was created by an Act of the Virginia Assembly to establish a new
county from the southern part of Prince George County. Brunswick was named
for the Duchy of Brunswick, an ancestral German possession of the Electorate
of Hanover. The new Brunswick being deemed insufficient in population to
constitute a county, areas of the counties of Surry and Isle of Wight were
added to Brunswick in an effort to more equally distribute the tithable
individuals.
On January 11, 1721, in Prince George County, Joshua Poythress received 400
pounds tobacco for killing four wolves; John Gilliam, Sr., 200 pounds
tobacco for killing two wolves; Robert Poythress, John Poythress, John
Gilliam, Jr., and Richard Pace received 100 pounds each for killing one wolf
respectively.

Court Cases
On August 13, 1717, in Prince George County, in the action on the case
pending between John Pool and John Poythress, Francis Mallory and George
Hamilton were chosen by the said parties and appointed by the court to meet
and settle the difference between the said plaintiff and the defendant and
make report of their proceedings therein to the next court. Francis Mallory
(-1719), the son of Thomas and Mary Mallory, was the husband of Elizabeth
Goodrich. George Hamilton was mentioned in a deed with Richard Pace on July
12, 1718, and in a court document with Francis Poythress in April, 1739.
On September 10, 1717, in Prince George County, in the case brought by John
Pool against John Poythress for 200 pounds of tobacco due for stripping two
weighty hogsheads of tobacco, Francis Mallory and George Hamilton reported
that Poythress ought to pay Pool 140 pounds of tobacco and judgment was
granted.
On July 14, 1719, in Prince George County, in the action brought by Thomas
Goodwynn against John Poythress, for 34 pounds, 6 shillings, 3 pence, due by
account, the defendant being arrested and not appearing nor any Security
returned for him, on the motion of the plaintiff's attorney judgement was
granted him against the said defendant and James Thweatt, Sheriff, for the
said sum and costs unless the said defendant shall appear at the next court
and answer the said action. On October 13, 1719, in Prince George County,
the action on the case brought by Thomas Goodwynn against John Poythress,
the plaintiff failing to prosecute, the case was dismissed.

Property: Land
On October 23, 1703, in Charles City County, John Poythress, was granted 609
acres, on the south side of the James River, on the south side of the
Blackwater, to the Nottaway path, to the Blackwater spring, to the
Blackwater Maine Swamp, near Captain Robert Lucy's line, by Townes' Quarter,
adjoining Hercules Flood. The 609 acres was formerly granted to Francis
Poythress by a patent dated September 27, 1681, and was deserted by him and
since granted to John Poythress by the order of the General Court bearing
the date of April 21, 1703, for the transportation of thirteen persons into
the Colony, two of those individuals being Elizabeth Smith and Charles
Bartholomew. Charles Bartholomew was the name of Rebecca Poythress' second
husband. This may be part of the inheritance that John Poythress (c.
1681-1724) left his son, John Poythress, by Will in 1724. This land had
belonged to Major Francis Poythress, who patented the land on September 28,
1681.
In the 1704 Quit Rents Roll, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress,
Sr., paid taxes on 1,283 acres; John Poythress, Jr., paid taxes on 916
acres; and, Thomas Poythress, paid taxes on 616 acres.
On December 11, 1704, John Poythress sold 200 acres, on the north side of
the Blackwater swamp, in Prince George County, to Hubbard Gibson, Mary, his
wife, and Edward Gibson, his son. This property was a part of a greater
tract of 609 acres of land formerly granted by patent to Francis Poythress,
deceased, on September 27, 1681, and since his death was granted to John
Poythress on October 23, 1703.
On March 23, 1716, John Poythress, of Prince George County, was granted 100
acres, on the north side of the Maherrin River, in Isle of Wight County, on
the east side of the Long Meadow branch. This land appears to be near the
land of Hercules Flood and the late Major Francis Poythress, on the Long
Meadow adjacent to the Ealeroot Level.
On November 8, 1720, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, the Elder,
of Westover parish, in the County of Prince George, sold to John Poythress,
Jr., of the same parish and county, 150 acres, called by the name of
Powell's,
bounded on the north by Richard Bland, on the south by lands lately in the
occupation of Joseph Patterson, bounded easterly on the Deep Bottom and
westerly on the land of Thomas Poythress. The witnesses were Edward
Goodrich, Thomas Binford and Margaret Goodrich.
On September 5, 1723, John Poythress, of Prince George County, was granted
200 acres of new land, in Isle of Wight County, on the south side of the
Maherrin River, on the east side of the Cane Branch. This was the same
property re-patented by his son, John Poythress, on March 17, 1737, and sold
by Thomas Poythress to John Dawson on July 6, 1773.
On October 13, 1727, Captain John Poythress, of Prince George County, was
granted 275 acres of new land, on the south side of the Maherrin River, in
Brunswick County, on the south side of the Reedy Branch on the Beaver Pond
Creek. This was the same property sold by Thomas Poythress, of Martin's
Brandon parish, to William Rives on May 13, 1773. (This land was evidently
surveyed prior to John Poythress' death and awarded after his death).
John Poythress left more than 630 acres to his sons in his 1724 Will. He
acquired approximately 1,334 acres but sold 200 acres in December, 1704, to
Hubbard Gibson. Thomas Poythress sold 275 acres of this property in 1773.
John Poythress paid taxes on 916 acres in 1704. Seven slaves were mentioned
in the possession of John Poythress.

Pertinent Property
On May 1, 1707, James Salmon, of Surry County, planter, deeded to William
Rains, of Westover parish, Prince George County, 176 acres, at Joans Hole
and the mouth of the Reedy Branch that ran between Rains' plantation and
Captain Mallory's plantation. The witnesses were Joshua Wynne, John Hamlin
and James Binford. On the back of this deed there was an endorsement making
over to son, Richard Rains, one piece of farm land within deed, joining upon
upper side of the Great Branch, I do make over to my son, Thomas Rains.
On June 28, 1707, in Surry County, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George
County, and his wife, Mary, sold 150 acres, to Benjamin Harrison, Esquire,
of Charles City County, on the north side of the Nottaway River. The
witnesses were Frances Mallory, Francis Poythress and Thomas Wynne.
On March 3, 1712, in Prince George County, Robert Mumford, of Bristol
parish, Prince George County, to Richard Bland, of the City of Williamsburg,
a lease to farm, land near Jordan's, between Deep Bottom and Cureton's
Bottom, in occupation of Thomas Burge, 430 acres, 130 thereof formerly
belonging to James Munford, father of said Robert, and given to him by
inheritance, part thereof from Colonel John Hardyman and the other 100 by
purchase from Mr. Francis Poythress, all of which appears by James Munford's
will. The deed was witnessed by Michael Wallace, Jane Wallace, Dorothy
Hillman. This land was adjacent to John Poythress' land.
On December 12, 1721, Hubbard Gibson and Mary, his wife, and Edward Gibson,
their son, of North Carolina, sold to Peter Poythress, of Prince George
County, of the Colony of Virginia, 200 acres, on the north side of the
Blackwater Swamp, in Prince George County, the same being part of a greater
tract of land granted to Francis Poythress, now deceased, and since his
death the said land was granted to John Poythress, son to the aforesaid
Francis Poythress, as lapsed from the said Francis Poythress and by the said
John Poythress sold unto the aforesaid, Hubbard Gibson, his wife, Mary and
their son, Edward Gibson, by deed dated December 11, 1704. The witnesses
were Richard Cureton, Richard Sykes and John Fennel.

Pertinent Information
The younger James Thweatt married Judith Soane on November 24, 1701, but
before that, he had been married to her sister, Elizabeth. In their father's
Will of 1714, William Soane, of Henrico county, mentioned "my daughter
Elizabeth, late wife of James Thweatt being dead...and my daughter, Judith
Thweatt." This younger James Thweatt was attending the Prince George County
Court as a Justice on June 14, 1715. And, on June 10, 1718 "James Thweatt
having produced a commission from the Honorable Lieutenant Governor to be
sheriff of this county, he accordingly took the usual oaths, etc." His bond
was for £1,000 Sterling. Thomas Simmonds was sworn in as under sheriff at
the same time, taking the same oath. By 1719, Sheriff James Thweatt had a
son James, Jr., who was of age. They witnessed many deeds and Wills together
from then until 1726.
On April 12, 1720, in Prince George County, the last Will and testament of
Richard Bland, deceased, was presented into court by William Randolph and
Richard Randolph, executors, etc. Richard Bland (1665-1720) was married to
Elizabeth Randolph (1680-1720). Elizabeth's brothers were the executors of
Richard Bland's Will.

As Witness
On July 4, 1722, in Prince George County, James Binford, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, sold to Nathaniel Harrison, Esquire, of
Southwarke parish, in Surry County, 150 acres, in Lawnes Creek parish on the
lower side of Three Creeks, in Surry County. This land was granted to James
Binford on March 23, 1715. The witnesses were William Cocke, William Short,
John Poythress, John Woodlief, John Hamlin, Charles Lucas, James Baker and
John Hardyman.

John Poythress' Will
In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, proved May 12, 1724.
I give my son, John Poythress, and his heirs, my plantation where I live,
100 acres of land, as also 100 acres of land adjoining, called Colebrooks,
taking in the Ivy point, so running down Hugh Evans' Spring Bottom to
William Stainback's corner poplar, and also I give my said son, John
Poythress, and to his heirs, my tract of land lying on the south side of the
main Blackwater Swamp, not debarring his brothers, Francis and William
Poythress, from getting timber for their plantations' use, as also giving
them liberty to drive their stocks of hogs and cattle upon the land, if they
shall think fit, and if it should please God to take him out of the world
before he comes to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of his body
lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son, Francis
Poythress, should possess all the above said lands as is mentioned, and to
his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, and his heirs, land lying at and about the
place called Brick Chimneys, binding upon my son, John Poythress', and
brother, Thomas Poythress' lands, so round the Deep Bottom, taking in the
whole tract or dividend of land, and if it should please God to take him out
of the world before he arrives to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of
his body lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son,
William Poythress, should possess all the above said land mentioned, and to
his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and their heirs, 280 acres,
joining to Thomas Poythress' land, so running a south course over the horn
branch, and so binding upon John Young's, Dorrel Young's, and John
Winningham's land, to be equally divided betwixt my two sons, John and
Francis Poythress, and to their heirs forever.
I give my son, William Poythress, and his heirs, 150 acres, binding upon
Thomas Poythress' and Thomas Lovesay's land, formerly belonging to Joseph
Patterson, called Powell's, and if it should please God to take him out of
the world before he arrives to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of his
body lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son, John
Poythress, should possess the above mentioned land, and his heirs lawfully
begotten forever.
I give my son, John Poythress, a small featherbed and furniture, six new
rush leather chairs, one chest, one gun, and a mare, a young horse, and the
increase of her forever, to him and his heirs for ever.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, a small feather bed and furniture, one
young mare about three years old, and her increase to him and his heirs for
ever.
I give my son, William Poythress, a bay mare, and her increase, to him and
his heirs for ever.
I give my three sons, John, Francis and William Poythress, all of my stock
of hogs and cattle, to be equally divided amongst them, only what I shall
give hereafter unto my loving wife, Mary Poythress, which is four cows and
calves, and a parcel of hogs as uses about Colebrooks, about twenty or
thirty of them, and my will further is that as much of the stock be disposed
of as will be of value sufficient to enter and survey 400 acres of land in
the woods, according to the discretion of my executors, for my son, William
Poythress, and to be patented in his name, and then the remaining part of
the stock to be equally divided between my three sons, John, Francis and
William Poythress, and their heirs forever.
I give my three sons, John, Francis and William Poythress, my three negroes,
Betty, Judy and Grace, and their increase, to be equally divided when my
son, William Poythress, comes to the age of 18 years, and my will and desire
is that my son, John Poythress, should have the aforesaid negroes, with
their increase, in his possession, when he shall attain to the age of 21,
and there to remain till my son, William, attains to the age of 18 years,
then they and their increase to be equally divided between my three sons,
John, Francis and William Poythress, and to their heirs lawfully begotten
forever.
I give my daughter, Rebecca Poythress, my negro man, Tom, and one featherbed
and furniture, to her and her heirs for ever.
I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, my negro boy, Jamy, to her and her
heirs for ever.
I give my daughter, Ann Poythress, my negro boy, Will, to her and her heirs
for ever.
I give my loving wife, Mary Poythress, my negro man, Seipis(?), one
featherbed and furniture, four cows and calves and a parcel of hogs uses
about Colebrooks, and all my pewter, brass, and iron, as I am possessed
with, and my two working horses, and all the rest of the small matters as is
not mentioned in this my last Will and Testament, to her and her heirs for
ever.
I appoint Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, pastor, my executors of this
my last Will and testament. The witnesses, Francis Epes, Jr., William
Stainback and John Winningham. At a court held at Merchant's Hope for Prince
George County, on Tuesday, May 12, 1724, the last Will and testament of John
Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert Poythress and John
Woodlief, his executors, who made oath thereto, and it was proved by the
oaths of Francis Epes, William Stainback and John Winningham. And on the
motion of the said Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, executors, and their
giving Bond and Security according to law, Certificate was granted them for
obtaining a probate of the said Will in due form. The Will was recorded,
August 11, 1724, at a court at Merchant's Hope, for Prince George County,
with an account of personal property items valued at £209/14/5. John
Stainback, John Winningham and William Stainback were the appraisers.

The 150 acres called Powell's, left to William Poythress, was bought by his
father, John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), on November 8, 1720, from Francis
Poythress. The land that was inherited by John Poythress' son, John
Poythress, was possibly bought by John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), on October
23, 1703, and on September 5, 1723.

On December 13, 1726, in the Prince George County court, the inventory of
the estate of Captain John Poythress, deceased, was valued at £130/12/8. The
executors of the Will were Robert Poythress and John Woodlief. The legatees
were Mary, his wife, Rebecca, his daughter, Elizabeth, his daughter, Colonel
William Randolph, Captain Richard Randolph and John Fitzgerald, among
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[211 2 William Poythress (c. 1753-1794 Pr. Geo.), m. Mary Gilliam, daughter
of John and Jane (Henry) Gilliam, of Prince George County. William Poythress
was a captain in the Continental Army during the Revolution. He was the
principle beneficiary of the 1779 will of Thomas Epes 132 32. In 1790,
William Poythress deeded to William S. Peachy the same 300 acres of
Flowerdew Hundred, previously mentioned, that John Hardyman had conveyed by
deed of gift to the first Joshua Poythress and had by the latter been
devised to the second Joshua, who had, in turn, devised the same to his son
William, the present grantor. William also owned a tract of 863 acres on
Simmons Branch upon which he had been living at the time he died. It is
probable that the youngest of the sons had reached legal age by that time.
William Poythress may have been buried there. [Projection: William Poythress
# 211 2 is the one of whom we have the line drawing. William 252 would not
seem to be a likely candidate.]
211 21 Joshua Poythress (1784 - post 1854), m. 1810 in Petersburg Jane Mills
Angus, daughter of John and Lucy (Wortham) Angus, then of Petersburg but
formerly of Scotland. In 1850, Joshua and his wife, Jane, were living in
Petersburg (census). By 1854, he was living in New Jersey when he deeded
some lots in the town of Blandford to one Shanks. Jane did not join in the
deed. Presumably she had previously died.
211 211 Nancy G. D. Poythress m. (1) 1834 Robert Carter Harrison, son of
Collier and Beersheeba (Bryant) Harrison of "Kittewan," Charles City County.
Nancy later m. (2) John Crane. What names her middle initials "G. D." stood
for is now anybody's guess. My guess is that the "G" was for Gilliam, her
grandmother's family name.
211 22 Thomas Eppes Poythress (c. 1785 - 1847), m. c. 1815 Beersheeba, nee
Bryant, but then the widow of Collier Harrison who died in 1809. Beersheeba,
by her first marriage, was the mother of Robert Carter Harrison who m. Nancy
G. D. above. T. E. P. had but one child by Beersheeba, Caroline, who died at
the age of seven. By his 1847 Will, Thomas Eppes Poythress left his entire
estate to wife Beersheeba for life, and after her death, to brother Joshua,
niece Nancy G. D. Harrison, nephew William P. Poythress, and to Harrison
step-children. The will provided for having the graveyard at Kittewan
enclosed with a brick wall forty feet long on all four sides. Presumably,
he, Beersheeba, Caroline, and a number of Harrisons are buried there.
211 221 Caroline Poythress (1817 - 1824) Obituary appears in "Southern
Churchman."
211 23 William Poythress died unmarried.
211 24 Patrick Henry Poythress ( - 1824), m. Mary Elizabeth Eppes (1785 -
1822), daughter of Peterson Eppes of Dinwiddie County. It might be supposed
that P. H. P. was named for the famous orator, it having been a popular
custom in that period to name children in honor of persons prominent in the
affairs of the times. Actually, this Patrick was named for his own
great-grandfather, the Rev. Patrick Henry who was an uncle of the orator.
211 241 William Peterson Poythress (1810 - 1862), m. Charlotte Reed (1825 -
1897), daughter of Elias and Sarah (Block) Reed of Richmond. After their
marriage, W. P. P. and Charlotte lived in Richmond where all of their
children were born. Mr. Poythress died in Nassau, B. W. I., during
blockade-running operations in the war between the States. Charlotte died in
Richmond and was buried in Hollywood. [This probably doesn't need saying but
just to be sure, the "Hollywood" referred to is a cemetery in Richmond.]
211 241 1 Mary Poythress d. inf.
211 241 2 Patrick Henry Poythress (1846 -1863) Accidentally shot while in C.
S. A.
211 241 3 William Powhatan Poythress (1847 - 1920), m. 1877 in Lunenburg Co.
Louisa Campbell Mayo (1849 - 1927), daughter of John and Mary Louisa
(Campbell) Mayo of Westmoreland County and Richmond. She was granddaughter
of Joseph and Jane Poythress 281 9 Mayo of Richmond. W. P. P. was in the
wholesale drug business and was founder and owner of W. P. Poythress & Co.,
of Richmond, a drug manufacturing firm still in operation under that name,
although no Poythress is any longer connected with it. Both William P. and
Louisa died in Richmond and are buried in Hollywood.
211 241 31 Charlotte Reed Poythress (9 Feb 1880 - 29 May 1880), buried in
Shockoe Cemetery, Richmond.
211 241 32 Charlotte Reed Poythress (1881 - 1906). She was given the same
name that had been given to her deceased sister, that of their grandmother.
Charlotte died in Richmond as a result of an accidental fall. She was
unmarried. The marble slab marking her grave in Hollywood, like all the
others in the lot bears only her name. It reads: "Charlotte Poythress" - no
more.
211 241 4 Sarah Reed Poythress (1852 - 1927), unm. Upon her decease in
Richmond, passed the last living descendant of Joshua Poythress 21 to be
born with the surname "Poythress." The name thus became extinct in the "21"
branch.
211 241 5 Walter Eppes Poythress (1861 - 1888), m. 1887 Marie Joseph Brouse,
native of Pennsylvania. Walter Eppes Poythress was a musician. He died of
yellow fever while in Jacksonville, Fla. In 1911 his remains were removed to
Richmond and reinterred in the family lot in Hollywood. In 1893, his widow
m. (2) James Chandler Dorst in Tazewell County, Virginia.
211 242 Mary Poythress d. unm.
211 243 A. H. Poythress d. unm. I have never been able to learn what the
initials "A. H." stood for.

Family
William Poythress was born about 1753, in Prince George County, the son of
Joshua Poythress and Mary Short. He married Mary Gilliam, the daughter of
John Gilliam and Jane Henry. Jane Henry was the cousin of Patrick Henry, the
orator. Their children were (1) Joshua (1784-1854), who married Jane Mills
Angus, the daughter of John Angus and Lucy Wortham; (2) Thomas Epes
(1785-4/1847), who married Beersheeba Bryant; (3) William Poythress (-aft.
1833); (4) Patrick Henry (c. 1780-1824), who married Mary Elizabeth Eppes,
the daughter of Peterson and Sarah Eppes; and, (4) Mary (8/3/1793-bef.
1833). William died October 15, 1794, and was buried October 18, 1794, in
Dinwiddie County.

Professional Life
On March 7, 1777, in the Virginia Gazette, "For sale, for ready money, or 12
months credit, an exceeding good plantation blacksmith, who is very well
acquainted with many other kinds of work in that branch of business, such as
nail making, tiring wheels, &c. The terms may be known by applying to Joshua
Poythress, Sr., at Flower de Hundred, in Prince George County, or to William
Poythress at York garrison. There may likewise be purchased a complete set
of blacksmith tools with the fellow."
On June 6, 1777, in the Virginia Gazette, "For sale, for ready money, or 12
months credit, an exceeding good plantation blacksmith, who is very well
acquainted with many other kinds of work in that branch of business, such as
nail making, tiring wheels, &c. The terms may be known by applying to Joshua
Poythress, Sr., at Flower de Hundred, in Prince George County, or to William
Poythress at York garrison. There may likewise be purchased a complete set
of blacksmith tools with the fellow."
On August 8, 1777, in the Virginia Gazette, deserted from Captain Pierce's
company of artillery, John Griffith (alias Wells) who is about 5 feet 10
inches high, has a family on the eastern shore, and is very well acquainted
about Back River and Hampton. He was a sailor on board the Virginia frigate,
and has taken several unlawful bounties. Whoever delivers the said deserter
to his company, at Portsmouth, shall have 20 dollars reward. William
Poythress, lieutenant.
In 1779, the U. S. Treasury offered to exchange new bills for presumably
counterfeit old paper money. Many Virginians made this exchange, in whole or
in part, to the Virginia Continental Loan office in 1779 and 1780. The
exchange could be for new money, applied to loans, or applied to taxes. The
records of exchangers and the amount exchanged provides a short proxy census
of Virginia in 1779:
Name County Entry # Amount Deposited
Poythress, William Prince George 1019 $120
Poythress, Peter Prince George 1262 $311
Poythress, Joshua Prince George 1500 $484
Poythress, Thomas Brunswick 3765 $38
Washington's General Order of October 2, 1779. For artillery and artillery
artificer regiments, the uniform was ordered to be blue, faced and lined
with scarlet, with yellow buttons, the coats to be edged, and the
buttonholes to be bound, with narrow lace or tape. The light dragoons were
to wear blue faced and lined with white, with white buttons. The blue coats
of the infantry regiments were all to be lined with white, and have white
buttons, and states were distinguished by different colored facings, as
follows: the New England states, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island,
and Connecticut, white facings; New York and New Jersey, buff facings;
Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia, red facings; North Carolina,
South Carolina, and Georgia, blue facings and buttonholes edged with narrow
white tape. (Varick Transcripts of Washington's General Orders, Library of
Congress.)
February 6, 1783, Lieutenant William Poythress, Army, Certificate, Voucher
1783. I certify that Lieutenant William Poythress was appointed as such in
the 1st Regiment of Artillery in March, 1777, that he was promoted to a
Captain Lieutenant on August -, 1780, and that he resigned March
5, -----, ------ ended his service from his first appointment. Lt. Col. Ed.
Carrington, Artillery. J. Pendleton, Esq. Copy...William Poythress,
Lieutenant - # 001098665. These documents remain to be abstracted from
Revolutionary War Bounty Warrants, reels 1-29. Noted on the catalog entry is
"Certificate: Lieutenant Colonel Ed. Carrington. Voucher is noted "1783."
This William is otherwise undistinguished in the catalog entry. However,
Virginia Revolutionary War Records, Section II (4), [Document No. 30, List
No. 1, show "Poythress, William Capt. Lieut. Cont'l. 4000 Nov. 8, 1783, 3
years. Although unable to distinguish which William this man is on the Batte
chart, he is assigned # 001098665 on catalog entry. Note the dual appearance
of "1783" which might conceivably be a "date" or a voucher number as shown
above.
November 8, 1783, Land Office Military Warrant, No. 1878. To the principal
surveyor of the lands set apart for the Officers and Soldiers of the
Commonwealth of Virginia. This shall be your warrant to survey and lay off
in one or more surveys, for William Poythress his heirs or assigns, the
quantity of four thousand acres of land, due unto the said William Poythress
in consideration of his services for three years as a Captain Lieutenant of
the Artillery in the Virginia Continental Line agreeable to a certificate
from the Governor and Council received into the Land Office. Given under my
hand, and the seal of the said Office. Survey 1668.

Civic Activities
On June 3, 1778, in Prince George County, a deed, Robert Bolling and wife,
Clara, to John Bland. Court order to receive relinquishment of right of
dower for Clara Bolling was satisfied by the oaths of Robert Gilliam and
William Poythress.

In Prince George County, the Will of Benjamin Harrison, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, dated November, 9, 1789, and proved
December 14, 1790.
To my nephew, John Harrison, my Manor Plantation lying on Powell's Creek,
and negroes, Tom, Dolly, Fanny, Bumford, Billy and Archy.
To my nephew, Thomas Harrison, Jr., six negroes, Will, Beck, Jenny,
Elizabeth and Amy.
To my niece, Elizabeth Stainback, two negroes, Frank and Sarah, upon the
following condition, that is as my said niece is expected to marry my
nephew, William Fann, and if the said Fann shall hereafter claim a mare and
colt now in my possession after marrying the said Elizabeth, my will and
desire is that the said negroes shall be delivered to my nephew, James
William Harrison, to him and his heirs forever.
To my nephew, James William Harrison, the plantation whereon my father,
James Harrison, formerly lived.
My nephew, James William Harrison, to be my executor. The witnesses were
William Wilkins, William Poythress and Colin Cocke. Pleasant Cocke and Colin
Cocke were securities for bond of £5,000.

On August 4, 1791, the account of the estate of Robert Harrison, 1788 and
1789. The names, among others, was William Poythress.
On September 13, 1791, in Prince George County, the account of the estate of
David Williams, names, among others, William Poythress.

Property: Personal Property and Land
On February 10, 1774, in the Virginia Gazette, "Noble's Warehouse, January
11, 1774. Sometime in November last, I purchased a sorrel mare of Lewelling
Williamson, for which I gave him my note of hand for £25 payable in April
next. Immediately after we had concluded the bargain, I understood that he
was under an execution, and went to him, and demanded my note, as the mare
was under an encumbrance. Williamson then told me that if she was sold, by
the execution the bargain should be void. She was accordingly sold by the
said execution, and I immediately sent for my note of hand, which he again
refused, and insisted on the money when it become due. Therefore, in justice
to the public, I think it necessary to forewarn all persons from receiving
said note, as I am determined not to discharge it. William Poythress.
On May 9, 1777, in the Virginia Gazette, John Lucas advertised for a strayed
or stolen horse. He would give 40 shillings reward to any person that will
deliver the said horse to, among others, Mr. William Poythress, at Flower de
Hundred. "Strayed or stolen from the subscriber at Hanover courthouse, the
9th of this instant (April) a bay horse about 4 feet 6 or 7 inches high,
with a switch tail and hanging mane, branded, but not known, his back was
hurt some time ago, and was so very tender when I lost him that he generally
gave way to the saddle when a portion got on him. He has a star in his
forehead, a snip on his nose, two white feet, and the third partly or all
so, I do not remember which. The horse I am informed was raised in Prince
George County, so that it is probable, if he is not stolen, he may be
somewhere on the north side of the James River endeavoring to get to the
place where he was raised. I will give 40 shillings reward to any person
that will deliver the said horse to Colonel Syme, at Newcastle, Mr. William
Russell, in Williamsburg, or Mr. William Poythress, at Flower de Hundred.
John Lucas."
In 1782, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on (120 + 184 =) 304 acres.
In 1785, in Prince George County, alterations made by transfer of land,
recorded by Peter Epes; from Edward Bland to William Poythress, 250 acres;
from William Poythress to Robert Gilliam, 852 acres.
In 1787, in Prince George County, the tax records included William
Poythress, Mary Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress, Joshua Poythress (estate);
and , Francis Poythress.
In 1787, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on (800 + 184 + 120 =) 1,104 acres.
In 1788, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on (850 + 184 + 120 =) 1,154 acres.
In 1789, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on (850 + 184 + 120 =) 1,154 acres.
On October 2, 1790, William Poythress and Mary, his wife, of Prince George
County, to William Samuel Peachey, of Amelia County, 300 acres, along the
James River, in Prince George County, and being the lower part of the
plantation Flower-de-hundred whereon Joshua Poythress, the Elder, his late
father, lived and devised by his Will to the said William Poythress, and one
other tract in the county containing 100 acres which tract the said Joshua
Poythress in his lifetime purchased from Hatch and by his Will aforesaid
devised the same to the said William Poythress, party to these premises. The
witnesses were Charles Duncan and William M. Carter. [This document was a
conventional order of the court to the executors to examine Mary Poythress
apart from her husband William to ascertain that she was indeed releasing
her dower rights for the sale of this property inasmuch as "said Mary cannot
travel to the county court"]. The court found that the release of dower was
properly obtained and the court certified the right to sell his property.
In 1790, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on 850 acres, 304 acres less than in 1789.
In 1791, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on (296 + 850 =) 1,146 acres.
In 1792, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on 750 acres; 396 acres less than in 1791.
In 1793, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on 750 acres.
In 1794, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on 750 acres.
In 1795, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
William Poythress, on (750 + 99 =) 849 acres.
In 1796, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
William Poythress, on (750 + 99 =) 849 acres.
In 1797, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
William Poythress, on (750 + 99 =) 849 acres.
In 1798, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
William Poythress, on (750 + 99 =) 849 acres.
In 1799, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
William Poythress, on (750 + 99 =) 849 acres.
In 1800, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
William Poythress, on (750 + 99 =) 849 acres.

Adjoining Property
On October 1, 1787, in Prince George County, Robert Bolling and Clara, his
wife, of Prince George County, to William Gilliam of the same, 273 acres, on
the south side of the Appomattox River. The witness was, among others,
William Poythress.

Family Estates
In Prince George County, the Will of Thomas Epes, of Prince George County,
dated August 26, 1779.
To my wife, Betty, use of the plantation I live on for life, and 7 negroes:
Ned (called Butterwood), his wife, Tabb, Antony, little Charles and
Obedience, and the use of my household goods.
To my kinsman William Poythress, son of Joshua, after the death of my wife,
all of my land and plantation. If he dies without issue, then to my kinsman,
Richard Epes, son of Peter Epes. If Richard dies, then to kinsman Peter
Epes, son of Peter Epes.
To my Godson, James Irby, £30, and if he dies without issue to his sister,
Lucy Irby.
To my Godson, Archibald Robertson, negro man, Jack, and £200.
To my sister, Mary Mason, my two negroes, Matt and Tempe.
To my niece, Elizabeth Richardson, wife of Jordan Richardson, negro woman,
Hannah.
To my niece, Mary Mason, negro woman, Darcus.
To my niece, Rebecca Mason, negro woman, Clarissa.
To my kinsman, Francis Epes, son of Peter Epes, negroes.
To my Goddaughter, Sarah Epes, daughter of Peter Epes, negro girl, Mason.
To Godson, William Scott, son of Thomas Scott, negro girl, Obedience.
To Thomas Scott, son of Thomas Scott, negro man, little Charles and £100.
To my kinsman, William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress, two negro men,
great Charles and Dick.
To my sister-in-law, Martha Coleman, negro woman, Sara, and her child,
Daniel.
To my nephew, Thomas Mason, negro woman, Lucy and her son, Peter.
To William Epes, son of Peter Epes, negro man, Ned.
To Peter Scott, son of Thomas Scott, negro boy, Jamie.
To Elizabeth Scott, daughter of Thomas Scott, negro girl, Janey.
My executors, Peter Epes, William Poythress, Archibald Robertson. The
witnesses were Francis Stainback, Sarah Irby and Robert Young. Signed by
Thomas Epes.

On September 25, 1779, in the Virginia Gazette, Deaths, Mr. Thomas Eppes, of
Prince George County, who has devised the greatest part of a very
considerable fortune, to Mr. William Poythress, an officer in the
continental army.

September 19, 1791, in Prince George County, the Will of John Gilliam, the
Elder.
To my wife, Jane, the use of my estate and negroes: Ciss, Agg, Beck, Hannah,
Moll, old Beck, Hannah, Esther, Judy, Phillis, Beck and son, Bob, and my
chariot and horses. If my wife dies without a Will, the estate is to be
divided between my son, Walter Boyd Gilliam, and my daughter, Mary
Poythress.
To my son, Walter Boyd Gilliam, my land at my wife's death and my slaves:
Esther, Pompey, Suckey, Mingo, Ciss, Phebe, Hall, York, Manmoth, Harry, Ned,
Betty, James, Moses, Bob, Mandy, Anthony, Lucy, and Bristol. Also to divide
Phebe, Lucy, Nanny, Pegg, Doll, and Hannah.
My trustees, Thomas Griffin Peachy, Walter Boyd Gilliam, and Reuben M.
Gilliam, to maintain Elizabeth Arthur for her life (his daughter). The
witnesses were Isaac Hall, John Angus, Richard Carrington, Jr. [John Gilliam
died in 1801].

William Poythress' Will
Bristol Parish Register: William Poythress died October 15th and was buried
October 18th, 1794.

In Prince George County, the Will of William Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, dated September 2, 1794, and proved
September 11, 1795.
It is my will that the whole of my lands both in this state and Kentucky be
equally divided among my four sons, to them and their heirs forever.
It is also my will that if either of my children die under age and without
issue the share of such deceased child shall be subject to distribution
among the survivors at the times and agreeably to the terms in the preceding
clauses that is to say the land among the surviving sons and the slaves and
personal estate among all of the surviving children.
I do appoint my friend, David Maitland, my whole and sole executor desiring
him to pay all my just debts, and to follow the intention of this my last
Will and testament sealed with my seal and signed with my hand this
September 2, 1794. William Poythress. The foregoing was declared by William
Poythress as his last Will and testament in the presence of William Davis,
Walter B. Gilliam and Richard Burnett, Jr. At the court of quarterly
sessions continued and held for Prince George County at the Courthouse on
Wednesday, September 11, 1795, this last Will and testament of William
Poythress, deceased, was presented into court and proved by the oaths of
Walter B. Gilliam and Richard Burnett, Jr., two of the witnesses thereto and
by order of this court was truly recorded.

State of Virginia, Prince George County to wit: I Nathaniel B. Sturdivant
clerk of the County aforesaid do hereby certify that the foregoing is a true
copy of the last Will and testament of William Poythress, deceased, as taken
from the records file in my office. In testimony whereof, I have hereunto
set my hand and affixed the seal of the county aforesaid November 21, 1821
and in the 46th year of the Independence of the United States of America.
Nathaniel B. Sturdivant, Clerk of Court.

State of Virginia, Prince George County to wit: I Benjamin Harrison,
presiding magistrate of the County aforesaid do hereby certify that
Nathaniel B. Sturdivant is clerk of the County aforesaid that the
attestation hereto annexed made by him are in due form and that full faith &
credit are due to his Official Acts such within every Court in the United
States - given under my hand November 26, 1821 in the 46th year of the
Independence of the United States of America. Benjamin Harrison (seal).

State of Kentucky, I Achilles Sneed, Clerk of the court of appeals for the
state aforesaid, do hereby certify that the foregoing instrument of writing
purporting to be a copy of the last Will and testament of William Poythress,
deceased, with the testimonials thereto annexed was produced to me in my
office in Frankfort on February 25, 1823, and that the same is duly
recorded. In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my name the day and year
aforesaid. Achilles Sneed, C. C. A.
Note from the text following the Will itself that this document was a
certified copy of the original Prince George County Will taken to Kentucky
to facilitate disposition of land claims there in William Poythress' name.
The brief abstracts of these proceeding hint that these claims met with some
difficulty. Also, beginning as late as 1833 sons Joshua, Thomas E., and
William P. were petitioning the U. S. House of Representatives for back pay
claimed due to their father. This petition was referred to the Committee on
Revolutionary claims in 1834 and 1836. It appears that no action was taken
on this claim and it presumably lapsed, the government producing a receipt
indicating that Lieutenant William Poythress was duly paid £417/14/0 on
November 7, 1783, for the service in question. This William Poythress may or
may not be the Lieutenant William Poythress for whom we have a line drawing.

[Comments: This William Poythress is without question William # 211 2, who
married Mary Gilliam, of the Bolling Batte chart of the Poythress Family in
Virginia. He was a nephew of Thomas Epes, of High Peake, married Mary
Poythress. He was a great nephew of Elizabeth Poythress (daughter of Captain
Francis Poythress' son John Poythress). Elizabeth married (1) John
Fitzgerald and (2) Thomas Eppes so an earlier generation Eppes was also a
great uncle. Bolling Batte states that this William was the major
beneficiary of his great uncle, Thomas Eppes' Will of 1779. William married
Mary Gilliam, had four sons, cited but unnamed in this Will and had a
daughter who was both unnamed and uncited in this Will. The children of this
marriage were:
211 21 Joshua Poythress (1784-post 1854) married Jane Mills Angus
211 22 Thomas Eppes Poythress (-1847) married Beersheeba Bryant
211 23 William Poythress - died unmarried
211 24 Patrick Henry Poythress (-1822) married Mary Elizabeth Eppes
211 25 Mary Poythress (1793-).]

December 27, 1833, the Petition of the heirs of Captain William Poythress of
the Virginia Continental Line for commutation of five years full pay.
Petition submitted to the U. S. Senate and the Speaker of the House of
Representatives.
Following is the text of this petition and its attachments. Captain William
Poythress is Batte # 211 2 who married Mary Gilliam. The petitioners are
sons Joshua Poythress, Thomas E. Poythress, and William P. Poythress who are
Batte #s 211 21, 211 22, and 211 23 respectively. By the time of this
petition (1833), siblings Patrick Henry Poythress (211 24) and Mary
Poythress (211 25) were deceased and the petitioners represented themselves
as the "only" heirs. After three referrals to the Committee on Revolutionary
Claims, it appears that no action was taken on this partition, and, indeed,
the attachments seem to imply the government rested on what it presumed to
be proof of payment of the pay and the petition languished in committee with
no action.

Text: Page 1, (outside folio/title/disposition notations). William
Poythress. the Petition of the Heirs of Captain William Poythress of the
Virginia Continental Line for commutation of five years full pay, December
27, 1833, Ref to Com on Rev. Claims; December 9, 1834, Ref to Com on Rev.
Claims; June 6th, 1836, Ref to the Committee on Rev. Claims.

Page 2, (Text of Petition). To the honorable Senate and Speaker of the House
of Representatives of the United States assembled. Your petitioners Joshua
Poythress, Thomas E. Poythress and William P. Poythress humbly represent
that they are the children and only heirs of William Poythress, a Captain in
the Army of the Revolutionary war, and an officer in the Virginia Line on
Continental establishment. That the said Poythress entered the service at an
early period of the War and continued in active service until its
termination and received from Virginia his military bounty land for seven
years services as appears by the Certificate of Benjamin Harrison then
Governor of Virginia and herewith filed marked "B." It also appears that
from the certificate of the Auditor of Virginia marked "A," accompanying
this petition that the said Poythress received £14/14/0 in certificates for
the balance of his full pay for services to March 5, 1781. Your petitioners
deem it unneccesary to furnish any further testimony of their father's
services as an Officer of the Revolution as the accompanying documentary
evidence from the army records of Virginia is conclusive evidence to prove
that Captain Poythress is entitled to relief under the Resolutions of
Congress passed in 1780. Your petitioners therefore humbly pray the passage
of an act granting to them the commutation of five years full pay and
interest thereon on account of the aforesaid services of their father which
is amply proved continued until the end of the war in the Virginia
Continental Line in the rank of a Captain. And your petitioners will
ever pray so. Joshua Poythress, Thomas E. Poythress and William P.
Poythress. By John H. Price.

Page 3, Exhibit "A," Certificate of Register of Land Office Virginia. This
is to certify, that it appears from a list in this Office of such Officers
and Soldiers of Virginia Continental Line, during the Revolutionary War, as
settled their accounts, and received Certificates for the balance of their
full pay, according to an Act of Assembly, passed the November Session,
1781, that a Certificate issued on November 7, 1783, in the name of William
Poythress....as a Lieutenant Artillery for £417/14/0, which Certificate
appears to have been delivered to himself....and was given for services
prior to January 1, 1782. To wit as Lieutenant from March, 1777 to August
19, 1780, and as Captain Lieutenant from August 19, 1780, to March 5, 1781.
No Seal of Office. Given under my hand at the Auditor's Office, Richmond,
this December 4, 1883. Jas. E. Meath, Auditor.

Page 4, Exhibit "B," Warrant for 4,000 acres, No. 1878, Council Chamber
1783. I do Certify that William Poythress is entitled to the proportion of
land allowed a Captain Lieutenant of the Artillery in the Continental line
who has served seven years. Thomas Meriwether and Benjamin Harrison. A
warrant for 4,000 acres issued to William Poythress, November 8, 1783. An
examined copy from records in the Land Office of Virginia. Mr. Pedinns, Off.
Va., December 12, 1833.

Page 5, Exhibit "C." County of Prince George, State of Virginia, December
9th, 1833. I hereby certify that Joshua Poythress, Thomas E. Poythress and
William P. Poythress are the lawful heirs of William Poythress, formerly an
Officer in the Revolutionary War. Benjamin Cocke, J. P.

No. 924, 1,000 acres. Survey for William Poythress, 1,000 acres of an part
of a Military Warrant No. 1678, on Reaflers Creek, a branch of Green River,
beginning on the Creek near the head thereof, running thence S70 E160 poles
to a white oak, thence N30 E500 poles crossing several trails to a poplar,
red oak and white oak, southeast corner to the Poythress survey No. 742,
thence with a line of the same N70 W320 poles crossing the Creek at 218
poles to a black gum, white oak, and three Dogwoods thence S20 W 500 poles
crossing several branches to four poplars, thence S70 E 140 poles to the
beginning. Burwell Jackson, April 9th, 1796. Elias Holmes, clerk of court.
Examined and recorded May 12th, 1796. See Ky. Survey #1678 for Warrant
#1878. Richard C. Anderson.

Surveyed for William Poythress 150 acres of land part of a Military Warrant
No. 1878 on the Waters of little Muddy Creek beginning at a hickory
sugaratree and hackberry in a line of a Survey of Joseph Swearingine and a
northeast corner of Burwell Jacksons entry No. 1859 running thence with
Jacksons line S51 W110 poles to a sugartree and hickory thence S52 E150
poles to an elm and two sugartrees thence N51 E30 poles to an ash and two
Dogwoods thence S52 E100 poles to an ash and spanish oak thence N51 S80
poles to a hickory, Dogwood and sugartree in Swearingins line thence with
his line N52 W250 poles to the beginning. Burwell Jackson, 18th April 1792.
Elias Holmes, Elihu Howard. Examined and recorded May 18, 1793. Richard C.
Anderson. See Old Ky. Survey #1668 for Warrant No. 1878.		01/14/2006 1:15:21
4 E-mailsMichael TutorI sent four e-mails en masse due to the delivery problem at the Poythress
website....Mike




01/14/2006 1:23:25
RE: Virtual census, part 2, 1st cutDeloris RileyMichael, I can not believe the tremendous amount of work you have done
for the Poythress Family History! You are to be congratulated!
However, would you please correct one small thing--the Peter Wynne who
was son of Joshua Wynne was NOT married to Frances Anderson although
Peter's wife was named "Frances". Deloris Wynne-Riley


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:22 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Virtual census, part 2, 1st cut

Charles City County
1701 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), Sr., of Deep Bottom, deed
1702 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), militia officer, legal record
1702 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), militia officer, legal record
1702 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763), militia officer, legal record
1702 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717), Captain, deed
1702 Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) legislative record
1703 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) legislative record
1703 Joshua Wynne (1661-1715), Major, legislative record
1703 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724) deed, mentioned Charles Bartholomew
1704 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-1688), Major, {deceased}, deed
Prince George County
1704 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724) deed
1704 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) tax record
1704 Francis Poythress, Sr. ( - ) tax record
1704 John Poythress, Jr. (c. 1681-1724) tax record
Charles City County
1705 Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) Will of William Byrd
1705 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-1688), Major, {deceased}, deed
Surry County
1705 Joshua Wynne (1661-1715), Gentleman, of Prince George County, deed,
and wife, Mary
1705 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717), deed, and daughter, Mary Melone, and son,
Robert Wynne
1705 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
Charles City County
1707 John Poythress, Sr., Captain (c. 1672-aft. 1726)
1707 Joshua Wynne, (1661-1715) legislative record
Surry County
1708 Joshua Wynne (1661-1715), Major, deed, and wife, Mary
1708 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) legal record
1708 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), tax record
Prince George County
1708 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726) deed
Surry County
1709 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726) tax record
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Charles City County
1711 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) Byrd's diary
Prince George County
1711 Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew (c. 1660-aft. 1711) deed
1711 Rebecca Poythress (c. 1679-aft. 1736) deed
1711 Anne Bartholomew (c. 1694-aft. 1733) deed
1712 David Poythress (c. 1685-1740) deed
1712 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) Byrd's diary
1712 Francis Poythress, of Westover parish ( - ) deed
1712 Thomas Poythress, of Westover parish (c. 1683-1749) deed
1712 John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George County (c. 1639-1712) Will,
mentions wife, Christian, children, John, Peter, Francis, David, Joshua,
Robert, William, Elizabeth, Christian, Mary Woodlief, grandson, Francis,
brothers, Thomas Wynne and Joshua Wynne.
1713 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) legislative record
1713 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) deed
Surry County
1713 David Poythress (c. 1685-1740) court record
1713 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717 court record
Prince George County
1714 John Poythress, Sr., of Weyanoke parish (c. 1672-aft. 1726) deed
1714 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) deed
1714 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1715 Francis Poythress ( - ), of Westover parish, deed
1715 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), gentleman justice, court record
1715 Robert Poythress (1690-1743)
1715 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) court record
Surry County
1715 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749), of Prince George County, deed
Isle of Wight County
1715 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), of Prince George County, deed
Prince George County
1716 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), gentleman justice, court record
1716 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1716 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) court record
1716 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) court record
1717 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724) court record
1717 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-aft. 1763) court record
1717 Robert Poythress (1690-1743), of Westover parish, deed
1717 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), gentleman justice, court record
Surry County
1717 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), of Prince George County, deed
1717 David Poythress (c. 1685-1740), Dinkins' Will
Prince George County
1718 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741), of Prince George County, deed
1718 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), gentleman justice, court record
1718 Francis Poythress, the Elder, of Westover parish ( - ), deed
1718 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
1719 John Poythress, Captain (c. 1672-aft. 1726), court record
1719 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741), court record
1719 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) court record
1719 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1719 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763), court record
1720 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) court record
1720 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), gentleman justice, court record
1720 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) court record
1720 David Poythress (c. 1685-1740) court record
1720 John Poythress, Sr. (c. 1672-aft. 1726), of Prince George County,
and wife, Mary, deed
1720 John Poythress, attorney ( - ) Byrd's diary
1720 Francis Poythress, the Elder, of Westover parish ( - ) deed
1720 John Poythress, Jr., of Westover parish (c. 1681-1724) deed
1720 John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
1720 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) court record
1720 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763), of Martin's Brandon, deed
1720 Francis Poythress, Captain ( - ) survey
1720 William Poythress, Mr. (1694-1763) survey
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Prince George County
1721 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
1721 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) deed
1721 John Poythress, Sr. (c. 1672-aft. 1726), and wife, Mary, deed
1721 Peter Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
1721 Robert Poythress, of Prince George County (1690-1743) deed
1721 Peter Wynne (c. 1686-1738) deed
1721 Anne Bartholomew Green (c. 1694-aft. 1733) deed
1721 Francis Poythress, of Surry County ( - ) deed
1721 John Poythress (c. 1681-1725) deed
1721 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
1722 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
1722 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
1722 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) survey
1722 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-aft. 1726) deed
1723 John Poythress, of Prince George County (c. 1681-1724) deed in Isle
of Wight County
1723 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
1723 John Poythress, Captain (c. 1672-aft. 1726) deed
1723 Peter Poythress, Mr. (c. 1674-bef. 1726) deed
Surry County
1723 David Poythress, of Surry County (c. 1685-1740) deed
Prince George County
1724 John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1681-1724), and wife, Mary,
Will
1724 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) brother's Will
1724 John Poythress (c. 1710-) father's Will
1724 Francis Poythress (c. 1713-) father's Will
1724 William Poythress (c. 1720-) father's Will
1724 Rebecca Poythress (c. 1718-) father's Will
1724 Elizabeth Poythress (c. 1722-) father's Will
1724 Anne Poythress (c. 1724-) father's Will
1724 William Poythress, of Prince George County (1694-1763) deed
1724 Francis Poythress, Captain, of Prince George County ( - ) deed
1724 William Poythress, Mr. (1694-1763) church record
1724 Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County (c. 1683-1749)
1724 H. Poythress ( - ) John Hamlin's Will
1725 Joshua Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1688-1741) deed
1725 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
1725 John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1672-aft. 1726) deed
1726 John Poythress, burgess (c. 1672-aft. 1726) civil record
1726 Peter Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
1726 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
1726 John Poythress, Captain, of Martin's Brandon, deceased (c.
1681-1724), and wife, Mary, Inventory
1726 Rebecca Poythress (c. 1718-) father's Inventory
1726 Elizabeth Poythress (c. 1722-) father's Inventory
1726 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) brother's Inventory
1726 Francis Poythress, Jr. ( - ) survey
Bristol parish
1726 Anne Isham Poythress (1726-1790) birth record
1726 William Poythress (1694-1763) daughter's birth record
1726 Sarah Poythress (1702-1750) daughter's birth record
Prince George County
1727 Joshua Poythress, of Prince George County (c. 1688-1741) deed
1727 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726) deed
1727 William Poythress, Mr. (1694-1763) deed
1727 Mary Poythress (c. 1676-1760), wife of John Poythress, brother's
Will
1727 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) Henry Batte's Will
1727 John Poythress, Captain, of Prince George County (c. 1672-aft.
1726) deed
1727 William Poythress, of Prince George County (1694-1763) deed
1727 Francis Poythress, Jr., ( - ) deed
1727 William Poythress (1727-bef. 1769) birth record
1727 Sarah Poythress (1702-1750) son's birth record
Bristol parish
1727 William Poythress, Mr. (1694-1763) church record
1728 William Poythress, Mr. (1694-1763) church record
Prince George County
1728 Francis Poythress, Jr., of Prince George County ( - ) deed
1728 Robert Poythress, of Prince George County (1690-1743) deed
Henrico County
1729 Francis Poythress ( - ), grandson, Will of John Worsham
1729 Francis Poythress, Jr. ( - ) survey
Surry County
1729 David Poythress (c. 1685-1740) deed
Bristol parish
1729 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
1729 Elizabeth Poythress (1729-) birth record
1729 Francis Poythress ( - ) daughter's birth record
1729 Hannah Poythress ( - ) daughter's birth record
1730 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
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Prince George County
1731 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
Bristol parish
1731 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
1731 Sarah Poythress (1731-) birth record
1731 Sarah Poythress (1702-1750) daughter's birth record
1732 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
Surry County
1732 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
Isle of Wight County
1732 John Poythress (c. 1710-1760) deed
Prince George County
1732 Joshua Poythress, merchant, of Prince George County (c. 1688-1741)
deed
1732 William Poythress (1694-1763) business record
Bristol parish
1732 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
Surry County
1732 Robert Poythress, of Prince George County (1690-1743) deed
Brunswick County
1733 John Poythress (c. 1710-1760) deed
Prince George County
1733 Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County (c. 1683-1749) deed
1733 William Poythress, of Prince George County (1694-1763) deed
Bristol parish
1733 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
Surry County
1733 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
Isle of Wight County
1733 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
Surry County
1734 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
1734 Robert Wynne, of Southwark, Surry County (c. 1685-1754) deed
1734 Thomas Wynne (c. 1680-)
Bristol parish
1734 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
Prince George County
1734 Joshua Poythress, of Prince George County, gentleman (c. 1688-1741)
deed
1734 William Poythress, gentleman (1694-1763) deed, near Sapponi Chapel
Bristol parish
1735 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
1735 Francis Poythress, Captain ( - ) church record
Surry County
1735 Robert Poythress, of Prince George County (1690-1743) deed
1735 David Poythress, of Surry County (c. 1685-1740) deed
1735 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
Prince George County
1735 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
Brunswick County
1735 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
Bristol parish
1736 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
Amelia County
1736 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1736 William Poythress (1694-1763) court record
Henrico County
1736 Francis Poythress, Major ( - ) tax record
Brunswick County
1736 John Poythress, gentleman (c. 1710-)
Bristol parish
1737 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
Surry County
1737 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
Prince George County
1737 Francis Poythress ( - ) legal record
1737 Joseph Poythress ( - ) deed
1737 John Poythress (c. 1710-) deed
1737 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) court record
1737 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) court record
1737 Lewis Green (c. 1680-), husband of Frances Gilliam, deed
1737 Peter Wynne ( - ), son of Peter Wynne and Frances Anderson,
grandson of Joshua Wynne
1737 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1737 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) court record
1737 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) court record
1737 Hannah Poythress ( - ) court record
1737 William Poythress (1694-1763) court record
1738 William Poythress (1694-1763), gentleman justice, legal record
1738 Francis Poythress ( - ), justice of the peace, legal record
1738 Francis Poythress ( - ), gentleman, collection of tithables
1738 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) court record
1738 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) court record
1738 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1738 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) court record
1738 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) court record
1738 Hannah Poythress ( - ) court record
1738 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) court record
1738 John Poythress (c. 1710-) deed
1738 Charles Poythress (bef. 1718-bef. 1763) deed
1738 Martha Poythress (1718-1751)? court record
1738 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) court record
1738 Francis Poythress ( - ), gentleman justice, legal record
1738 John Poythress (c. 1710-), gentleman, court record
1738 Francis Poythress ( - ) commissioned officer in militia, legal
record
1738 William Poythress ( - ) commissioned officer in militia, legal
record
Bristol parish
1738 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
1738 Francis Poythress, Captain ( - ) church record
1739 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
1739 Francis Poythress, Captain ( - ) church record
Surry County
1739 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) deed
Chesterfield County
1739 Charles Poythress (bef. 1718-bef. 1763) marriage record
Prince George County
1739 Francis Poythress, gentleman ( - ) tithables collecting
1739 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) Will of Daniel Eelbank
1739 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1739 William Poythress (1694-1763) church record
1739 John Poythress (c. 1710) court record
1739 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) court record
1739 George Poythress (c. 1718-) court record
1739 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) deed
1739 Charles Poythress (bef. 1718-bef. 1763) court record
1739 William Poythress, gentleman justice (1694-1763) court record
1739 Joshua Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1688-1741) Will
Amelia County
1739 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1739 William Poythress (1694-1763) court record
1739 Charles Poythress (bef. 1718-bef. 1763) deed
1739 John Poythress (c. 1710-) deed
1739 Peter Wynne, s. of Peter Wynne (c. 1686-1738) deed
1739 Robert Poythress, gentleman (1690-1743) deed
Isle of Wight
1739 Peter Poythress, Mr. (c. 1674-bef. 1763)
Brunswick County
1739 Anne Poythress (c. 1721-) Robert Hicks' Will
Prince George County
1740 David Poythress, deceased, late of Bristol parish (c. 1685-1740)
letter of administration
1740 Edmund Poythress (c. 1718-) letter of administration
1740 William Poythress, gentleman (1694-1763) letter of administration
1740 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1740) Will
1740 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) cousin's Will
1740 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) brother's Will
Bristol parish
1740 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
Brunswick County
1740 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) court record
1740 William Poythress (1694-1763) court record
1740 Rebecca Pace Bradford (c. 1702-1764) court record
Surry County
1740 David Poythress, deceased (c. 1685-1740)
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Brunswick County
1741 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) court record
1741 William Poythress (1684-1763) court record
1741 Rebecca Pace Bradford (c. 1702-1764) court record
1741 Hannah Poythress (c. 1690-1765), executor Francis Poythress,
deceased, court record
1741 Joseph Poythress ( - ) deed
1741 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1741) court record
1741 John Poythress (c. 1710-c. 1760)
Prince George County
1741 William Poythress, gentleman (1694-1763) deed
1741 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
Charles City County
1741 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) brother Joshua's Will
1741 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) cousin Joshua's Will
1741 Joshua Poythress, deceased (c. 1688-1740) Will
1741 Mrs. Poythress ( - ) Byrd's diary
Bristol parish
1741 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) daughter's birth record
1741 Sarah Poythress (1702-1750) daughter's birth record
1741 Elizabeth Poythress (1741-1810) birth record
Amelia County
1741 Joseph Poythress ( - ) deed
Prince George County
1742 William Poythress ( - ) deed
Henrico County
1742 William Poythress ( - ) court record
Surry County
1742 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
Brunswick County
1742 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) court record
1742 William Poythress (1694-1763) court record
Bristol parish
1742 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
1742 Ann Poythress Wall (c. 1721-) possible marriage
Prince George County
1743 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) Will
1743 Elizabeth Poythress (1693-bef. 1787) husband's Will
1743 Robert Poythress (c. 1724-1782) father's Will
1743 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) father's Will
1743 William Poythress (c. 1737-1783) father's Will
1743 Elizabeth Poythress Gilliam (c. 1714-c. 1788) father's Will
1743 Mary Ann Poythress Minge (c. 1725-) father's Will
1743 Agnes Poythress Minge (c. 1723-) father's Will
1743 Tabitha Poythress (c. 1726-1805) father's Will
1743 Susanna Poythress (c. 1734-) father's Will
1743 Jane Poythress (c. 1732-1805) father's Will
Bristol parish
1743 William Poythress (1694-1763) church record
Prince George County
1744 William Poythress, sheriff (1694-1763) court record
1744 Robert Poythress, Mr. (c. 1724-1782) court record
Bristol parish
1744 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
1745 William Poythress, Colonel (1694-1763) church record
Prince George County
1745 Edmund Poythress (c. 1718) newspaper record
1745 Francis Poythress, Captain ( - ) deed
1745 Charles Poythress (c. 1717-1772) deed
1745 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
1745 John Poythress, Jr. (c. 1710-1760) deed
Surry County
1745 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) deed
Amelia County
1745 Poythress ( - ) deed
Charles City County
1745 Agnes Poythress Harwood (c. 1723-) husband's Will
1745 Mary Ann Poythress Minge (c. 1725-) brother-in-law's Will
1745 Robert Poythress (c. 1724-1782) brother-in-law's Will
Prince George County
1746 Poythress ( - ) deed
1746 William Poythress ( - ) deed
1746 Robert Poythress (c. 1724-1782) deed
Bristol parish
1747 William Poythress, Colonel (1694-1763) church record
1747 Robert Poythress, deceased (1690-1743) church record
Brunswick County
1747 Anne Poythress Wall (c. 1721-) deed
1747 Rebecca Pace Bradford (c. 1702-1764) court record
Prince George County
1747 Poythress ( - ) deed
Amelia County
1747 Poythress ( - ) deed
Henrico County
1748 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
1748 Sarah Poythress (1702-1750) deed
Bristol parish
1748 William Poythress, Colonel (1694-1763) church record
1748 Robert Poythress, deceased (1690-1743) church record
Amelia County
1748 Elizabeth Poythress, Mrs. (c. 1683-c. 1787) road order
1748 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) deed
Prince George County
1748 Poythress ( - ) deed
Henrico County
1749 William Poythress, Colonel (1694-1763) deed
Surry County
1749 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) executor
1749 Elizabeth Poythress (1693-1787) executor
1749 Robert Poythress, deceased (1690-1743) court record
1749 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) executor
1749 Thomas Poythress, deceased (c. 1683-1749) court record
1749 Peter Poythress, carpenter (c. 1674-bef. 1763) court record
Brunswick County
1749 John Poythress (c. 1710-1760) deed
Bristol parish
1749 William Poythress, Colonel (1694-1763) church record
Prince George County
1749 John Poythress (c. 1710-1760) deed
1749 William Poythress ( - ) deed
1749 Charles Poythress (c. 1718-bef. 1763) deed
Amelia County
1749 William Poythress, of Prince George County ( - )
Chesterfield County
1749 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) court record
Bristol parish
1750 William Poythress, Colonel (1694-1763) church record
Amelia County
1750 William Poythress, of Prince George County ( - )
Surry County
1750 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) executor
1750 Elizabeth Poythress (1693-1787) executor
1750 Robert Poythress, deceased (1690-1743) court record
1750 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) executor
1750 Thomas Poythress, deceased (c. 1683-1749) court record
1750 Peter Poythress, carpenter (c. 1674-bef. 1763) court record
1750 Peter Poythress ( - ) Commission of Peace
Chesterfield County
1750 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) court record
Brunswick County
1750 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) deed
Dinwiddie County
1750 Mary Poythress (1731-1750) tombstone
1750 William Poythress, Jr. (1728-bef. 1769) husband of Mary
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Surry County
1751 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) court record
1751 Thomas Poythress, deceased (c. 1683-1749) court record
1751 Robert Poythress, deceased (1690-1743) court record
1751 Elizabeth Poythress (1693-c. 1787) court record
1751 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) court record
1751 Major Poythress ( - ) court record
Granville County, North Carolina
1751 Charles Poythress, of Virginia (c. 1717-1772) deed
Chesterfield County
1751 Elizabeth Poythress (1693-c. 1787) court record
Prince George County
1751 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed, adjoining William Poythress
Henrico County
1751 Elizabeth Poythress, daughter of Elizabeth Cocke, Will
Bristol parish
1751 William Poythress (1694-1763) church record
1752 William Poythress, Colonel (1694-1763), no longer in parish, church
record
Lunenburg County
1752 Edmund Poythress (c. 1718-), court record
1752 Francis Poythress ( - ), son and heir of Francis Poythress, court
record
Dinwiddie County
1752 William Poythress ( - ) deed
Halifax County
1752 Charles Poythress (c. 1717-1772) court record
1753 Charles Poythress (c. 1717-1772) court record
Amelia County
1753 William Poythress ( - ) Will of Major Peter Jones
Dinwiddie County
1753 William Poythress ( - ) deed
1753 Edward Poythress ( - ) deed
Prince George County
1753 David Poythress, deceased (c. 1685-bef. 1740) inventory
1753 Edmund Poythress (c. 1718-) inventory
Granville County, North Carolina
1753 Charles Bartholomew, grandson of Charles Bartholomew, tax record
Prince George County
1754 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) legislative record
1754 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) newspaper
Halifax County
1754 Charles Poythress (c. 1717-1772) court record
Brunswick County
1754 William Poythress, sheriff ( - ), court record, possibly son of
John Poythress (c. 1681-1724)
Surry County
1754 William? Poythress ( - ) Will of David Long
Sussex County
1754 Robert Wynne (c. 1685-1754) Will
Prince George County
1754 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) estate of Arthur Biggins, Jr.
Bristol parish
1754 William Poythress, Colonel (1694-1763) church record
1754 William Poythress (1728-c. 1769) church record
Sussex County
1755 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) court record
1755 Robert Poythress, deceased (1690-1743) court record
1755 Elizabeth Poythress (c. 1693-1787) court record
1755 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) court record
Surry County
1755 William Poythress, Jr. ( - ) Will of David Long
Bertie County, North Carolina
1755 William Poythress (c. 1720-) deed, son of John Poythress (c.
1681-1724)
1756 William Poythress (c. 1720-) deed, son of John Poythress (c.
1681-1724)
1756 James Abington, deed
Brunswick County
1756 Charles Poythress (c. 1717-1772) court record
Sussex County
1756 Robert Poythress, deceased (1690-1743) court record
1756 Elizabeth Poythress (c. 1693-1787) court record
1756 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) court record
Amelia County
1756 William Poythress ( - ) deed
1756 Joseph Poythress ( - ) deed
Surry County
1756 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) Will of William Short
1756 Mary Poythress (-bef. 1788) Will
1756 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) Will
1756 William Poythress (1753-1794) Will
1756 Elizabeth Poythress (1755-aft. 1795) Will
1757 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) Will of William Short
1757 Mary Poythress (-bef. 1788) Will
1757 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) Will
1757 William Poythress (1753-1794) Will
1757 Elizabeth Poythress (1755-aft. 1795) Will
Bertie County, North Carolina
1757 William Poythress, of North Carolina (c. 1720-) deed, son of John
Poythress (c. 1681-1724)
1757 Sarah Poythress, wife of William Poythress, deed
Halifax County
1757 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
Surry County
1758 Charles Poythress, of Dinwiddie County (c. 1717-1772) deed
Sussex County
1759 Joshua Poythress, Mr. (c. 1720-1782)
Prince George County
1759 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) court order
1759 William Poythress, of Dinwiddie (1694-1763) deed
Chesterfield County
1759 John Poythress, son of Charles Poythress, Will of Elizabeth
Anderson
1759 William Poythress, of Dinwiddie (1694-1763) deed
Dinwiddie County
1759 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) newspaper
Prince George County
1760 William Poythress, of Dinwiddie (1694-1763) deed
1760 Mary Poythress (c. 1676-1760) estate, daughter of Henry Batte
1760 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) deed
Brunswick County
1760 John Poythress, Jr. (c. 1710-c. 1760) inventory
Chesterfield County
1760 William Poythress ( - ) transaction
Amelia County
1760 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
1760 John Poythress ( - ) deed
1760 Edmund Poythress (c. 1718-) deed
Bristol parish
1760 William Poythress (1728-c. 1769)
Dinwiddie County
1760 Poythress ( - ) deed
Granville County, North Carolina
1760 Charles Bartholomew, grandson of Charles Bartholomew
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Dinwiddie County
1761 Hannah Poythress (c. 1690-c. 1765) deed
Chesterfield County
1761 Charles Poythress (c. 1717-1772) estate of Ralph Crawford
Lunenburg County
1761 William Poythress ( - ) deed
1762 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) deed
Chesterfield County
1762 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
1762 Charles Poythress (c. 1717-1772) court record
Amelia County
1762 Poythress ( - ) deed
Bristol parish
1762 William Poythress (1728-c. 1769) church record
Sussex County
1762 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) estate of William Tomlinson
Dinwiddie County
1762 Hannah Poythress (c. 1690-c. 1765) deed
1763 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) fee book
1763 William Poythress, Captain (c. 1728-c. 1769) executor of William
Poythress, deceased, Prince George County
1763 Francis Poythress ( - ) fee book
1763 Peter Poythress, deceased (c. 1674-bef. 1763) fee book
1763 Charles Poythress, deceased (c. 1717-c. 1763) fee book
1763 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) fee book
1763 Francis Poythress, Jr. ( - ) fee book
1763 John Poythress, deceased, (c. 1710-1760) fee book
1763 Robert Poythress ( - ) fee book, William Glasscock, his guardian?
1763 E. Poythress ( - ) fee book
1763 Poythress ( - ) deed
Amelia County
1763 Poythress ( - ) deed
1763 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed
Sussex County
1763 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) deed
1763 Mary Poythress (-c. 1788) deed
1763 William Poythress, deceased (1694-1763) fee book
Prince George County
1763 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) newspaper
Surry County
1763 William Poythress, of Prince George County ( - ) Will of Henry
Browne
Dinwiddie County
1764 E. Poythress ( - ) fee book
Sussex County
1764 Poythress ( - ) deed
1764 Peter Poythress ( - ) deed
Amelia County
1764 Joseph Poythress ( - ) deed
Chesterfield County
1765 Francis Poythress, of Prince George County ( - ) inheritance from
grandfather Walke?
1765 Hannah Poythress (c. 1690-c. 1765) inheritance record
1765 Mary Poythress ( - ) inheritance record
Lunenburg County
1765 Thomas Prosise? deed (the original needs to be studied to ascertain
correct spelling)
1765 Mary Prosise? deed (Thomas Poythress is involved in several
Lunenburg County records)
Bristol parish
1765 William Poythress (c. 1728-c. 1769) church record
Amelia County
1766 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed
1766 John Poythress (c. 1740-) deed
Prince George County
1766 John Poythress, Jr. (c. 1740-) newspaper
Bristol parish
1767 William Poythress (c. 1728-c. 1769) church record
Lunenburg County
1767 Mary Poythress Epes, daughter of Joshua Poythress I (c. 1730-1792)
birth record of son
Amelia County
1767 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed
Bristol parish
1767 William Poythress (1728-c. 1769) church record
Prince George County
1768 Peter Poythress, Captain, of Prince George County (1730-1787)
newspaper
Amelia County
1768 Poythress ( - ) deed
1768 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
Sussex County
1768 Poythress ( - ) deed
1769 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed
Lunenburg County
1769 John Poythress, of Prince George County (c. 1710-1760) deed
Bristol parish
1769 William Poythress, Captain, deceased (1728-c. 1769) church record
Chesterfield County
1769 Tabitha Poythress Randolph (c. 1726-1805) Will
1769 Peter Poythress, Major (1730-1787) Will
Prince George County
1769 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) legislative record
1770 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) legislative record
1770 John Poythress (c. 1740-) newspaper
Southampton County
1770 John Poythress ( - ) Will of Edward Lundy
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Bute County, North Carolina
1771 Charles Bartholomew, deed
Prince George County
1771 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) legislative record
Dinwiddie County
1771 William Poythress, deceased ( - ) newspaper
Blandford
1771 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) newspaper
Amelia County
1771 Peter Poythress, of Branchester, Martin's Brandon, Prince George
County (1730-1787) deed
Brunswick County
1771 Peter Poythress, of Prince George County ( 1730-1787) deed
Sussex County
1772 Peter Poythress, Major (1730-1787) deed
Prince George County
1772 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) legislative record
1772 Joseph Poythress ( - ) newspaper
Bute County, North Carolina
1772 Charles Poythress, deceased (c. 1717-1772) deed
Charles City County
1772 Poythress ( - ) account record
Northumberland County
1772 Robert Poythress, of Amelia County (c. 1724-1782) newspaper
Dinwiddie County
1772 Mary Poythress ( - ) Will, widow of Edward Poythress, deceased
1772 Tabitha Poythress ( - ) daughter of Edward and Mary Poythress
1772 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed
Mecklenburg County
1772 William Poythress ( - ) deed
1773 William Poythress ( - ) deed
Sussex County
1773 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1787) deed
Mecklenburg County
1773 William Poythress ( - ) deed
Prince George County
1773 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) legislative record
Chesterfield County
1773 Robert Poythress (c. 1724-1782) court record
1773 Tabitha Poythress Randolph (c. 1726-1805) deed
Brunswick County
1773 Thomas Poythress, of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County (c.
1729-1800) deed
Blandford
1773 Poythress ( - ) newspaper
Sussex County
1773 Peter Poythress, Major (1730-1787) estate of Thomas Parham
Bute County, North Carolina
1773 Charles Poythress, deceased (c. 1717-1772) deed
Brunswick County
1774 Thomas Poythress, of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County (c.
1729-1800) court record
1774 Peter Poythress, of Prince George County (1730-1787) deed
Prince George County
1774 Joshua Poythress, Jr. (1751-1794) newspaper
1774 William Poythress, Mr., deceased (1728-c. 1769) newspaper
1774 Peter Poythress, Major (1730-1787) newspaper
Chesterfield County
1775 Tabitha Poythress Randolph (c. 1726-1805) deed
Sussex County
1775 Peter Poythress, of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County
(1730-1787) deed
Prince George County
1775 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) legislative record
1775 Lucy Poythress (c. 1755-) newspaper
1775 William Poythress, deceased ( - ) Will
Henrico County
1775 Peter Poythress, Esquire, of Prince George County (1730-1787)
legislative record
Augusta, Georgia
1775 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) newspaper, Leonard Claiborne
Charlotte County
1775 William Poythress, Major, deceased ( - ) estate
Blandford
1776 Joshua Poythress, Jr. (1751-1794) newspaper
Prince George County
1776 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) newspaper
1776 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) newspaper
1776 Robert Poythress (c. 1724-1782) newspaper
Sussex County
1776 Peter Poythress, of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County
(1730-1787) deed
Fredericksburg
1777 Robert Poythress (c. 1724-1782) newspaper
Prince George County
1777 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) newspaper
1777 Joshua Poythress, Jr. (1751-1794) newspaper
1777 Nancy Poythress (c. 1757-1804) newspaper
1777 Peter Poythress, Colonel, of Prince George County (1730-1787)
newspaper
1777 William Poythress, Mr. (1753-1794) newspaper
1777 William Poythress, of Prince George County, deceased (1728-c. 1769)
Will
1777 William Poythress, deceased (1750-c. 1774) Will
1777 Benjamin Poythress (1754-) Will
1777 Lucy Poythress Gordon (c. 1755-) Will
1777 Anne Isham Poythress (c. 1760-1784) Will
1777 Mary Poythress (c. 1768-) Will
1777 Peter Poythress, of Branchester, Prince George County (1730-1787)
newspaper
York
1777 William Poythress (1753-1794) newspaper
Virginia Gazette
1777 William Poythress, Lieutenant ( - ) newspaper
Dinwiddie County
1777 Benjamin Poythress (1754-) newspaper
1778 Peter Poythress, Esquire, of Prince George County (1730-1787) deed,
adjacent to Peter Wynne
Prince George County
1778 William Poythress (1753-1794) deed
1778 Joseph Poythress ( - ) newspaper
Prince George County
1779 Joshua Poythress, Jr. (1751-1794) newspaper
1779 Joshua Poythress ( - ) money exchange
1779 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) money exchange
1779 William Poythress ( - ) money exchange
1779 William Poythress (1753-1794) Will of Peter Epes
1779 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) Will
1779 William Poythress, Mr., continental army officer, (1753-1794)
newspaper
Brunswick County
1779 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) money exchange
1779 Ann Poythress ( - ) deed
Dinwiddie County
1780 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed
Prince George County
1780 Peter Poythress, Colonel (1730-1787) newspaper
1780 Mary Polly Poythress (c. 1762-1815) newspaper
North Carolina
1780 Francis Poythress, preacher ( - ) Asbury diary
Brunswick County
1780 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) Bond
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Brunswick County
1781 Thomas Poythress, Sr. (c. 1729-1800) court record
1781 Thomas Poythress, Jr. (c. 1756-bef. 1830) court record
1781 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-c. 1845)
Mecklenburg County
1781 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-c. 1845) marriage record
Brunswick County
1782 Thomas Poythress, Jr. (c. 1756-bef. 1830) court record
1782 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-c. 1845) personal property tax record
1782 Thomas Poythress, Sr. (c. 1729-1800) tax record
Prince George County
1782 Mary Poythress (-bef. 1788) taxes
1782 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) taxes
1782 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1782 William Poythress (1753-1794) taxes
1782 William Poythress ( - ) estate of Richard Bland
Greensville County, Virginia
1782 Robert Poythress, deceased (c. 1724-1782) court record
Dinwiddie County
1782 Peter Poythress, Colonel (1730-1787) tax record
Brunswick County
1783 Thomas Poythress ( - ) revolutionary war service
1783 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-c. 1845) deed
Prince George County
1783 Mary Poythress (-bef. 1788) taxes
1783 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) taxes
1783 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1783 William Poythress (1753-1794) taxes
Chesterfield County
1783 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed
Mecklenburg County
1783 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed
Greenbrier County
1783 Francis Poythress, preacher ( - ) with Asbury
Land Office
1783 William Poythress, Captain Lieutenant of Artillery, Virginia
Continental Line ( - ) military record
Sussex County
1784 Mary Poythress, of Bristol parish, Prince George County (-bef.
1788) deed
Brunswick County
1784 Thomas Poythress, Sr. (c. 1729-1800) tax record
1784 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-1845) tax record
1785 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-1845) tax record
Prince George County
1785 William Poythress (1753-1794) land transfer
1785 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) land transfer
1785 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) Will written
1785 Elizabeth Poythress (1733-1792) Will
1785 Elizabeth Poythress Mayo (c. 1759-1806) Will
1785 Anne Poythress Randolph (c. 1757-1804) Will
1785 Mary Poythress Batte (c. 1762-1815) Will
1785 Agnes Poythress (c. 1770-1821) Will
1785 Lucy Bland Poythress (c. 1764-bef. 1823) Will
1785 Sally Poythress Lee (c. 1768-1828) Will
1785 William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) Will
Sussex County
1785 Mary Poythress, of Prince George County (-bef. 1788) deed
Wilkes County, Georgia
1785 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
Bounty Warrant
1785 Francis Poythress, Sergeant, deceased (c.1760-c. 1785) war record
1785 Francis Poythress, the Elder ( - ), war record, father of Sgt.
Francis Poythress
1785 Mary Poythress Randolph (c. 1763-1841) war record
Prince George County
1786 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) taxes
1786 William Poythress ( - ) estate of Richard Bland
1786 Susanna Poythress (c. 1766-1799) marriage record
Mecklenburg County
1786 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-c. 1845) deed
Brunswick County
1786 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) court record
Dinwiddie County
1787 Peter Poythress, Colonel (1730-1787) taxes
Prince George County
1787 William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) marriage record
1787 Elizabeth Bland Poythress (c. 1770-) marriage record
1787 John Poythress (c. 1740-) estate of Alexander Robertson
1787 William Poythress ( - ) estate of Richard Bland
1787 Elizabeth Poythress, of Prince George County, widow of Peter
Poythress (c. 1733-c. 1792) Will written
1787 Sallie Poythress Lee (c. 1768-1828) Will
1787 Tabitha Poythress Randolph (c. 1726-1805) Will
1787 Mary Poythress, of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County (-bef.
1788) deed
1787 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) taxes
1787 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1787 William Poythress (1753-1794) taxes
1787 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
1787 Mary Poythress (c. 1768-aft. 1787) estate of John Gordon
1787 William Poythress, deceased (1728-c. 1769) estate of John Gordon
Sussex County
1787 Poythress ( - ) deed
1787 William Poythress ( - ) deed
Greene County, Georgia
1787 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
Brunswick County
1787 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) deed
Dinwiddie County
1788 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
Sussex County
1788 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) deed
1788 John Poythress (c. 1740-) estate of John Edmunds
1788 William Poythress, Major ( - ) estate of John Edmunds
1788 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) estate of John
Edmunds
Brunswick County
1788 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) tax record
Prince George County
1788 Mary Short Poythress (-c. 1788) Will
1788 Susanna Poythress (c. 1766-1799) Will
1788 William Poythress (c. 1753-1794) Will
1788 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1788 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1788 Agnes Poythress (c. 1770-1821) marriage record
Greene County, Georgia
1788 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
Lexington, Kentucky
1788 Francis Poythress, preacher ( - ) Asbury records
Augusta, Burke County, Georgia
1788 Thomas Poythress ( - ) defaulters' list
Greene County, Georgia
1789 Thomas Poythress ( - ) tax list
1789 T. H. Poythers (Hardaman?) tax list
1789 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
Dinwiddie County
1789 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
Prince George County
1789 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1789 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1789 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1789 William Poythress (1753-1794) taxes
1789 Francis Poythress ( - ) estate of Joel Sturdivant
1789 Joseph Poythress ( - ) estate of Joel Sturdivant
1789 Hardeman Poythress married Elizabeth Golder
1789 William Poythress ( - ) estate of Benjamin Harrison
Sussex County
1789 William Poythress ( - ) deed
Brunswick County
1789 Thomas Poythress ( - ) church record
Petersburg, Virginia
1790 Ann Poythress ( - ) Will of William Buchanan
Prince George County
1790 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1790 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1790 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1790 William Poythress, of Prince George County (1753-1794) deed
1790 Mary Gilliam Poythress, of Prince George County (c. 1764-bef. 1810)
deed
1790 Joshua Poythress, the Elder, of Flowerdew Hundred, deceased (c.
1720-1782) deed
1790 William Poythress, Jr. (c.1765-c. 1810) estate of Thomas Peterson
1790 Anne Isham Poythress Gordon (1726-1790) Will
1790 William Poythress, of Prince Geo. Co., son of Peter Poythress, of
Prince Geo. Co., deceased (1765-1810)
1790 William Poythress ( - ) inventory of William Brown
Sussex County
1790 William Poythress ( - ) deed
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Dinwiddie County
1791 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
Prince George County
1791 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1791 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1791 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1791 William Poythress (1753-1794) taxes
1791 William Poythress, of Prince Geo. Co., son of Peter Poythress, of
Prince Geo. Co., deceased (1765-1810)
1791 Elizabeth Poythress (1733-1792), deed, widow of Peter Poythress
1791 William Poythress ( - ) estate of William Green
1791 William Poythress, Jr., son of Peter Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810)
deed
1791 Mary Gilliam Poythress (c. 1764-bef. 1810) Will of John Gilliam,
her father
Brunswick County
1791 Thomas Poythress ( - ) deed
1791 Martha Poythress, wife of Thomas Poythress ( - ) deed
Mecklenburg County
1791 Edith Cleaton Poythress, wife of Meredith Poythress, Will of
William Cleaton, her father
Dinwiddie County
1792 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
Prince George County
1792 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1792 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1792 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1792 William Poythress (1753-1794) taxes
1792 Mary Poythress (c. 1764-bef. 1810) deed
1792 William Poythress, of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County ( - )
deed
1792 William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) deed
1792 Elizabeth Poythress (1770-aft. 1810) deed
Sussex County
1792 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) deed
1792 William Poythress ( - ) deed
Brunswick County
1792 Thomas Poythress, Sr. (c. 1729-1790s) court record
1792 Thomas Poythress ( - ) tax record
Greene County, Georgia
1792 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
Mecklenburg County
1792 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-1850) marriage record
1792 Elizabeth Giles Poythress (c. 1773-bef. 1802) marriage record
1792 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-c. 1845) marriage record
Dinwiddie County
1793 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
Prince George County
1793 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1793 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1793 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1793 William Poythress (1753-1794) taxes
Greenbrier County
1793 Francis Poythress, preacher ( - ) Asbury records
Greene County, Georgia
1793 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
Chesterfield County
1793 Tabitha Poythress Randolph (c. 1726-1805) estate of father
1793 Robert Poythress, deceased (c. 1724-1782) estate of father
1793 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) estate of father
1793 William Poythress, deceased (c. 1737-c. 1783) estate of father
1793 Elizabeth Poythress, deceased (c. 1693-bef. 1787) estate of husband
Bristol parish
1793 William Poythress (1753-1794) birth record
1793 Mary Poythress (c. 1764-bef. 1810) birth record
1793 Mary Poythress (1793-bef. 1833) birth record
Georgia Militia
1793 William Poythress, corporal ( - ) military record during Indian
troubles
Brunswick County
1793 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) court record
Dinwiddie County
1794 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
Prince George County
1794 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1794 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1794 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1794 William Poythress (1753-1794) taxes
1794 William Poythress, of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County,
deceased (1753-1794) Will
1794 Mary Poythress (c. 1764-bef. 1810) Will
1794 Patrick Henry Poythress (c. 1780-1824) Will
1794 Joshua Poythress (c. 1784-1854) Will
1794 Thomas Epes Poythress (c. 1785-1847) Will
1794 William Poythress (c. 1794-aft. 1833) Will
Greene County, Georgia
1794 Francis Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia ( - ) deed
Chesterfield County
1794 Tabitha Poythress Randolph (c. 1726-1805) estate of father
1794 Robert Poythress, deceased (c. 1724-1782) estate of father
Brunswick County
1794 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) deed
1795 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) deed
1795 Martha Poythress, wife of Thomas Poythress ( - ) deed
Dinwiddie County
1795 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1795 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
Prince George County
1795 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1795 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1795 Joshua Poythress, deceased (1751-1794) taxes
1795 William Poythress, deceased (1753-1794) taxes
Amelia County
1795 Robert Poythress, deceased ( - ) court record
Dinwiddie County
1796 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1796 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
1796 Francis Poythress ( - ) Will written
1796 Mary Peterson Poythress (c. 1730-) Will of husband
1796 Mary Peterson Poythress Randolph (c. 1763-1841) Will of father
Prince George County
1796 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1796 Joshua Poythress, deceased (1751-1794) taxes
1796 William Poythress, deceased (1753-1794) taxes
Mecklenburg County
1796 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-c. 1845) marriage record
1796 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) deed
1796 Edith Cleaton Poythress, wife of Meredith Poythress, Will of
William Cleaton, her father
Brunswick County
1796 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) court record
1796 Martha Poythress, wife of Thomas Poythress ( - ) court record
1797 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) court record
1797 Martha Poythress, wife of Thomas Poythress ( - ) court record
1797 Thomas Poythress ( - ) tax record
Dinwiddie County
1797 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1797 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
Prince George County
1797 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1797 Joshua Poythress, deceased (1751-1794) taxes
1797 William Poythress, deceased (1753-1794) taxes
1797 William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) taxes
Burke County, Georgia
1797 George Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1829) court record
Burke County, Georgia
1798 Thomas Poythress ( - ) tax record
Dinwiddie County
1798 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1798 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
Prince George County
1798 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1798 Joshua Poythress, deceased (1751-1794) taxes
1798 William Poythress, deceased (1753-1794) taxes
1798 William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) taxes
Brunswick County
1798 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) court record
Mecklenburg
1798 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-c. 1845) estate record
Burke County, Georgia
1799 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) election
1799 Thomas Poythress, Jr. (c. 1756-bef. 1830) petition
1799 George Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1829) petition
1799 Edward Poythress (c. 1769-aft. 1817) petition
Brunswick County
1799 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) court record
Prince George County
1799 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1799 Joshua Poythress, deceased (1751-1794) taxes
1799 William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) taxes
Jessamine County, Kentucky
1799 Susannah Poythress Pryor (1730/1750-) tax record
Burke County, Georgia
1800 Thomas Poythress, Esquire (c. 1729-1800) sheriff
1800 George Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1829) deed
1800 Patsy Poythress ( - ) estate of Thomas Poythress
Prince George County
1800 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1800 Joshua Poythress, deceased (1751-1794) taxes
1800 William Poythress, deceased (1753-1794) taxes
1800 William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) taxes
1800 William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) Branchester deed
Brunswick County
1800 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) court record
Dinwiddie County
1800 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1800 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
Greene County, Georgia
1800 Poythress ( - ) deed
Jessamine County, Kentucky
1800 Susannah Poythress Pryor (1730/1750-)
1800 Francis Poythress, preacher ( - )


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Maynard		01/14/2006 3:31:32
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I'm still not 100% convinced that the best solution is not to buy
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it all out.

Maynard		01/14/2006 4:07:51
Lieutenant William Poythress, of Flowerdew Hundred, Continental Army Officer, son of Joshua Poythress II, 5th GenerationMichael TutorThe Fifth Generation: William Poythress, of Flowerdew Hundred, son of Joshua
Poythress II
[211 2 William Poythress (c. 1753-1794 Pr. Geo.), m. Mary Gilliam, daughter
of John and Jane (Henry) Gilliam, of Prince George County. William Poythress
was a captain in the Continental Army during the Revolution. He was the
principle beneficiary of the 1779 will of Thomas Epes 132 32. In 1790,
William Poythress deeded to William S. Peachy the same 300 acres of
Flowerdew Hundred, previously mentioned, that John Hardyman had conveyed by
deed of gift to the first Joshua Poythress and had by the latter been
devised to the second Joshua, who had, in turn, devised the same to his son
William, the present grantor. William also owned a tract of 863 acres on
Simmons Branch upon which he had been living at the time he died. It is
probable that the youngest of the sons had reached legal age by that time.
William Poythress may have been buried there. [Projection: William Poythress
# 211 2 is the one of whom we have the line drawing. William 252 would not
seem to be a likely candidate.]
211 21 Joshua Poythress (1784 - post 1854), m. 1810 in Petersburg Jane Mills
Angus, daughter of John and Lucy (Wortham) Angus, then of Petersburg but
formerly of Scotland. In 1850, Joshua and his wife, Jane, were living in
Petersburg (census). By 1854, he was living in New Jersey when he deeded
some lots in the town of Blandford to one Shanks. Jane did not join in the
deed. Presumably she had previously died.
211 211 Nancy G. D. Poythress m. (1) 1834 Robert Carter Harrison, son of
Collier and Beersheeba (Bryant) Harrison of "Kittewan," Charles City County.
Nancy later m. (2) John Crane. What names her middle initials "G. D." stood
for is now anybody's guess. My guess is that the "G" was for Gilliam, her
grandmother's family name.
211 22 Thomas Eppes Poythress (c. 1785 - 1847), m. c. 1815 Beersheeba, nee
Bryant, but then the widow of Collier Harrison who died in 1809. Beersheeba,
by her first marriage, was the mother of Robert Carter Harrison who m. Nancy
G. D. above. T. E. P. had but one child by Beersheeba, Caroline, who died at
the age of seven. By his 1847 Will, Thomas Eppes Poythress left his entire
estate to wife Beersheeba for life, and after her death, to brother Joshua,
niece Nancy G. D. Harrison, nephew William P. Poythress, and to Harrison
step-children. The will provided for having the graveyard at Kittewan
enclosed with a brick wall forty feet long on all four sides. Presumably,
he, Beersheeba, Caroline, and a number of Harrisons are buried there.
211 221 Caroline Poythress (1817 - 1824) Obituary appears in "Southern
Churchman."
211 23 William Poythress died unmarried.
211 24 Patrick Henry Poythress ( - 1824), m. Mary Elizabeth Eppes (1785 -
1822), daughter of Peterson Eppes of Dinwiddie County. It might be supposed
that P. H. P. was named for the famous orator, it having been a popular
custom in that period to name children in honor of persons prominent in the
affairs of the times. Actually, this Patrick was named for his own
great-grandfather, the Rev. Patrick Henry who was an uncle of the orator.
211 241 William Peterson Poythress (1810 - 1862), m. Charlotte Reed (1825 -
1897), daughter of Elias and Sarah (Block) Reed of Richmond. After their
marriage, W. P. P. and Charlotte lived in Richmond where all of their
children were born. Mr. Poythress died in Nassau, B. W. I., during
blockade-running operations in the war between the States. Charlotte died in
Richmond and was buried in Hollywood. [This probably doesn't need saying but
just to be sure, the "Hollywood" referred to is a cemetery in Richmond.]
211 241 1 Mary Poythress d. inf.
211 241 2 Patrick Henry Poythress (1846 -1863) Accidentally shot while in C.
S. A.
211 241 3 William Powhatan Poythress (1847 - 1920), m. 1877 in Lunenburg Co.
Louisa Campbell Mayo (1849 - 1927), daughter of John and Mary Louisa
(Campbell) Mayo of Westmoreland County and Richmond. She was granddaughter
of Joseph and Jane Poythress 281 9 Mayo of Richmond. W. P. P. was in the
wholesale drug business and was founder and owner of W. P. Poythress & Co.,
of Richmond, a drug manufacturing firm still in operation under that name,
although no Poythress is any longer connected with it. Both William P. and
Louisa died in Richmond and are buried in Hollywood.
211 241 31 Charlotte Reed Poythress (9 Feb 1880 - 29 May 1880), buried in
Shockoe Cemetery, Richmond.
211 241 32 Charlotte Reed Poythress (1881 - 1906). She was given the same
name that had been given to her deceased sister, that of their grandmother.
Charlotte died in Richmond as a result of an accidental fall. She was
unmarried. The marble slab marking her grave in Hollywood, like all the
others in the lot bears only her name. It reads: "Charlotte Poythress" - no
more.
211 241 4 Sarah Reed Poythress (1852 - 1927), unm. Upon her decease in
Richmond, passed the last living descendant of Joshua Poythress 21 to be
born with the surname "Poythress." The name thus became extinct in the "21"
branch.
211 241 5 Walter Eppes Poythress (1861 - 1888), m. 1887 Marie Joseph Brouse,
native of Pennsylvania. Walter Eppes Poythress was a musician. He died of
yellow fever while in Jacksonville, Fla. In 1911 his remains were removed to
Richmond and reinterred in the family lot in Hollywood. In 1893, his widow
m. (2) James Chandler Dorst in Tazewell County, Virginia.
211 242 Mary Poythress d. unm.
211 243 A. H. Poythress d. unm. I have never been able to learn what the
initials "A. H." stood for.

Family
William Poythress was born about 1753, in Prince George County, the son of
Joshua Poythress and Mary Short. He married Mary Gilliam, the daughter of
John Gilliam and Jane Henry. Jane Henry was the cousin of Patrick Henry, the
orator. Their children were (1) Joshua (1784-1854), who married Jane Mills
Angus, the daughter of John Angus and Lucy Wortham; (2) Thomas Epes
(1785-4/1847), who married Beersheeba Bryant; (3) William Poythress (-aft.
1833); (4) Patrick Henry (c. 1780-1824), who married Mary Elizabeth Eppes,
the daughter of Peterson and Sarah Eppes; and, (4) Mary (8/3/1793-bef.
1833). William died October 15, 1794, and was buried October 18, 1794, in
Dinwiddie County.

Professional Life
On March 7, 1777, in the Virginia Gazette, "For sale, for ready money, or 12
months credit, an exceeding good plantation blacksmith, who is very well
acquainted with many other kinds of work in that branch of business, such as
nail making, tiring wheels, &c. The terms may be known by applying to Joshua
Poythress, Sr., at Flower de Hundred, in Prince George County, or to William
Poythress at York garrison. There may likewise be purchased a complete set
of blacksmith tools with the fellow."
On June 6, 1777, in the Virginia Gazette, "For sale, for ready money, or 12
months credit, an exceeding good plantation blacksmith, who is very well
acquainted with many other kinds of work in that branch of business, such as
nail making, tiring wheels, &c. The terms may be known by applying to Joshua
Poythress, Sr., at Flower de Hundred, in Prince George County, or to William
Poythress at York garrison. There may likewise be purchased a complete set
of blacksmith tools with the fellow."
On August 8, 1777, in the Virginia Gazette, deserted from Captain Pierce's
company of artillery, John Griffith (alias Wells) who is about 5 feet 10
inches high, has a family on the eastern shore, and is very well acquainted
about Back River and Hampton. He was a sailor on board the Virginia frigate,
and has taken several unlawful bounties. Whoever delivers the said deserter
to his company, at Portsmouth, shall have 20 dollars reward. William
Poythress, lieutenant.
In 1779, the U. S. Treasury offered to exchange new bills for presumably
counterfeit old paper money. Many Virginians made this exchange, in whole or
in part, to the Virginia Continental Loan office in 1779 and 1780. The
exchange could be for new money, applied to loans, or applied to taxes. The
records of exchangers and the amount exchanged provides a short proxy census
of Virginia in 1779:
Name County Entry # Amount Deposited
Poythress, William Prince George 1019 $120
Poythress, Peter Prince George 1262 $311
Poythress, Joshua Prince George 1500 $484
Poythress, Thomas Brunswick 3765 $38
Washington's General Order of October 2, 1779. For artillery and artillery
artificer regiments, the uniform was ordered to be blue, faced and lined
with scarlet, with yellow buttons, the coats to be edged, and the
buttonholes to be bound, with narrow lace or tape. The light dragoons were
to wear blue faced and lined with white, with white buttons. The blue coats
of the infantry regiments were all to be lined with white, and have white
buttons, and states were distinguished by different colored facings, as
follows: the New England states, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island,
and Connecticut, white facings; New York and New Jersey, buff facings;
Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia, red facings; North Carolina,
South Carolina, and Georgia, blue facings and buttonholes edged with narrow
white tape. (Varick Transcripts of Washington's General Orders, Library of
Congress.)
February 6, 1783, Lieutenant William Poythress, Army, Certificate, Voucher
1783. I certify that Lieutenant William Poythress was appointed as such in
the 1st Regiment of Artillery in March, 1777, that he was promoted to a
Captain Lieutenant on August -, 1780, and that he resigned March
5, -----, ------ ended his service from his first appointment. Lt. Col. Ed.
Carrington, Artillery. J. Pendleton, Esq. Copy...William Poythress,
Lieutenant - # 001098665. These documents remain to be abstracted from
Revolutionary War Bounty Warrants, reels 1-29. Noted on the catalog entry is
"Certificate: Lieutenant Colonel Ed. Carrington. Voucher is noted "1783."
This William is otherwise undistinguished in the catalog entry. However,
Virginia Revolutionary War Records, Section II (4), [Document No. 30, List
No. 1, show "Poythress, William Capt. Lieut. Cont'l. 4000 Nov. 8, 1783, 3
years. Although unable to distinguish which William this man is on the Batte
chart, he is assigned # 001098665 on catalog entry. Note the dual appearance
of "1783" which might conceivably be a "date" or a voucher number as shown
above.
November 8, 1783, Land Office Military Warrant, No. 1878. To the principal
surveyor of the lands set apart for the Officers and Soldiers of the
Commonwealth of Virginia. This shall be your warrant to survey and lay off
in one or more surveys, for William Poythress his heirs or assigns, the
quantity of four thousand acres of land, due unto the said William Poythress
in consideration of his services for three years as a Captain Lieutenant of
the Artillery in the Virginia Continental Line agreeable to a certificate
from the Governor and Council received into the Land Office. Given under my
hand, and the seal of the said Office. Survey 1668.

Civic Activities
On June 3, 1778, in Prince George County, a deed, Robert Bolling and wife,
Clara, to John Bland. Court order to receive relinquishment of right of
dower for Clara Bolling was satisfied by the oaths of Robert Gilliam and
William Poythress.

In Prince George County, the Will of Benjamin Harrison, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, dated November, 9, 1789, and proved
December 14, 1790.
To my nephew, John Harrison, my Manor Plantation lying on Powell's Creek,
and negroes, Tom, Dolly, Fanny, Bumford, Billy and Archy.
To my nephew, Thomas Harrison, Jr., six negroes, Will, Beck, Jenny,
Elizabeth and Amy.
To my niece, Elizabeth Stainback, two negroes, Frank and Sarah, upon the
following condition, that is as my said niece is expected to marry my
nephew, William Fann, and if the said Fann shall hereafter claim a mare and
colt now in my possession after marrying the said Elizabeth, my will and
desire is that the said negroes shall be delivered to my nephew, James
William Harrison, to him and his heirs forever.
To my nephew, James William Harrison, the plantation whereon my father,
James Harrison, formerly lived.
My nephew, James William Harrison, to be my executor. The witnesses were
William Wilkins, William Poythress and Colin Cocke. Pleasant Cocke and Colin
Cocke were securities for bond of £5,000.

On August 4, 1791, the account of the estate of Robert Harrison, 1788 and
1789. The names, among others, was William Poythress.
On September 13, 1791, in Prince George County, the account of the estate of
David Williams, names, among others, William Poythress.

Property: Personal Property and Land
On February 10, 1774, in the Virginia Gazette, "Noble's Warehouse, January
11, 1774. Sometime in November last, I purchased a sorrel mare of Lewelling
Williamson, for which I gave him my note of hand for £25 payable in April
next. Immediately after we had concluded the bargain, I understood that he
was under an execution, and went to him, and demanded my note, as the mare
was under an encumbrance. Williamson then told me that if she was sold, by
the execution the bargain should be void. She was accordingly sold by the
said execution, and I immediately sent for my note of hand, which he again
refused, and insisted on the money when it become due. Therefore, in justice
to the public, I think it necessary to forewarn all persons from receiving
said note, as I am determined not to discharge it. William Poythress.
On May 9, 1777, in the Virginia Gazette, John Lucas advertised for a strayed
or stolen horse. He would give 40 shillings reward to any person that will
deliver the said horse to, among others, Mr. William Poythress, at Flower de
Hundred. "Strayed or stolen from the subscriber at Hanover courthouse, the
9th of this instant (April) a bay horse about 4 feet 6 or 7 inches high,
with a switch tail and hanging mane, branded, but not known, his back was
hurt some time ago, and was so very tender when I lost him that he generally
gave way to the saddle when a portion got on him. He has a star in his
forehead, a snip on his nose, two white feet, and the third partly or all
so, I do not remember which. The horse I am informed was raised in Prince
George County, so that it is probable, if he is not stolen, he may be
somewhere on the north side of the James River endeavoring to get to the
place where he was raised. I will give 40 shillings reward to any person
that will deliver the said horse to Colonel Syme, at Newcastle, Mr. William
Russell, in Williamsburg, or Mr. William Poythress, at Flower de Hundred.
John Lucas."
In 1782, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on (120 + 184 =) 304 acres.
In 1785, in Prince George County, alterations made by transfer of land,
recorded by Peter Epes; from Edward Bland to William Poythress, 250 acres;
from William Poythress to Robert Gilliam, 852 acres.
In 1787, in Prince George County, the tax records included William
Poythress, Mary Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress, Joshua Poythress (estate);
and , Francis Poythress.
In 1787, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on (800 + 184 + 120 =) 1,104 acres.
In 1788, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on (850 + 184 + 120 =) 1,154 acres.
In 1789, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on (850 + 184 + 120 =) 1,154 acres.
On October 2, 1790, William Poythress and Mary, his wife, of Prince George
County, to William Samuel Peachey, of Amelia County, 300 acres, along the
James River, in Prince George County, and being the lower part of the
plantation Flower-de-hundred whereon Joshua Poythress, the Elder, his late
father, lived and devised by his Will to the said William Poythress, and one
other tract in the county containing 100 acres which tract the said Joshua
Poythress in his lifetime purchased from Hatch and by his Will aforesaid
devised the same to the said William Poythress, party to these premises. The
witnesses were Charles Duncan and William M. Carter. [This document was a
conventional order of the court to the executors to examine Mary Poythress
apart from her husband William to ascertain that she was indeed releasing
her dower rights for the sale of this property inasmuch as "said Mary cannot
travel to the county court"]. The court found that the release of dower was
properly obtained and the court certified the right to sell his property.
In 1790, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on 850 acres, 304 acres less than in 1789.
In 1791, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on (296 + 850 =) 1,146 acres.
In 1792, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on 750 acres; 396 acres less than in 1791.
In 1793, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on 750 acres.
In 1794, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on 750 acres.
In 1795, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
William Poythress, on (750 + 99 =) 849 acres.
In 1796, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
William Poythress, on (750 + 99 =) 849 acres.
In 1797, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
William Poythress, on (750 + 99 =) 849 acres.
In 1798, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
William Poythress, on (750 + 99 =) 849 acres.
In 1799, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
William Poythress, on (750 + 99 =) 849 acres.
In 1800, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by the estate of
William Poythress, on (750 + 99 =) 849 acres.

Adjoining Property
On October 1, 1787, in Prince George County, Robert Bolling and Clara, his
wife, of Prince George County, to William Gilliam of the same, 273 acres, on
the south side of the Appomattox River. The witness was, among others,
William Poythress.

Family Estates
In Prince George County, the Will of Thomas Epes, of Prince George County,
dated August 26, 1779.
To my wife, Betty, use of the plantation I live on for life, and 7 negroes:
Ned (called Butterwood), his wife, Tabb, Antony, little Charles and
Obedience, and the use of my household goods.
To my kinsman William Poythress, son of Joshua, after the death of my wife,
all of my land and plantation. If he dies without issue, then to my kinsman,
Richard Epes, son of Peter Epes. If Richard dies, then to kinsman Peter
Epes, son of Peter Epes.
To my Godson, James Irby, £30, and if he dies without issue to his sister,
Lucy Irby.
To my Godson, Archibald Robertson, negro man, Jack, and £200.
To my sister, Mary Mason, my two negroes, Matt and Tempe.
To my niece, Elizabeth Richardson, wife of Jordan Richardson, negro woman,
Hannah.
To my niece, Mary Mason, negro woman, Darcus.
To my niece, Rebecca Mason, negro woman, Clarissa.
To my kinsman, Francis Epes, son of Peter Epes, negroes.
To my Goddaughter, Sarah Epes, daughter of Peter Epes, negro girl, Mason.
To Godson, William Scott, son of Thomas Scott, negro girl, Obedience.
To Thomas Scott, son of Thomas Scott, negro man, little Charles and £100.
To my kinsman, William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress, two negro men,
great Charles and Dick.
To my sister-in-law, Martha Coleman, negro woman, Sara, and her child,
Daniel.
To my nephew, Thomas Mason, negro woman, Lucy and her son, Peter.
To William Epes, son of Peter Epes, negro man, Ned.
To Peter Scott, son of Thomas Scott, negro boy, Jamie.
To Elizabeth Scott, daughter of Thomas Scott, negro girl, Janey.
My executors, Peter Epes, William Poythress, Archibald Robertson. The
witnesses were Francis Stainback, Sarah Irby and Robert Young. Signed by
Thomas Epes.

On September 25, 1779, in the Virginia Gazette, Deaths, Mr. Thomas Eppes, of
Prince George County, who has devised the greatest part of a very
considerable fortune, to Mr. William Poythress, an officer in the
continental army.

September 19, 1791, in Prince George County, the Will of John Gilliam, the
Elder.
To my wife, Jane, the use of my estate and negroes: Ciss, Agg, Beck, Hannah,
Moll, old Beck, Hannah, Esther, Judy, Phillis, Beck and son, Bob, and my
chariot and horses. If my wife dies without a Will, the estate is to be
divided between my son, Walter Boyd Gilliam, and my daughter, Mary
Poythress.
To my son, Walter Boyd Gilliam, my land at my wife's death and my slaves:
Esther, Pompey, Suckey, Mingo, Ciss, Phebe, Hall, York, Manmoth, Harry, Ned,
Betty, James, Moses, Bob, Mandy, Anthony, Lucy, and Bristol. Also to divide
Phebe, Lucy, Nanny, Pegg, Doll, and Hannah.
My trustees, Thomas Griffin Peachy, Walter Boyd Gilliam, and Reuben M.
Gilliam, to maintain Elizabeth Arthur for her life (his daughter). The
witnesses were Isaac Hall, John Angus, Richard Carrington, Jr. [John Gilliam
died in 1801].

William Poythress' Will
Bristol Parish Register: William Poythress died October 15th and was buried
October 18th, 1794.

In Prince George County, the Will of William Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, dated September 2, 1794, and proved
September 11, 1795.
It is my will that the whole of my lands both in this state and Kentucky be
equally divided among my four sons, to them and their heirs forever.
It is also my will that if either of my children die under age and without
issue the share of such deceased child shall be subject to distribution
among the survivors at the times and agreeably to the terms in the preceding
clauses that is to say the land among the surviving sons and the slaves and
personal estate among all of the surviving children.
I do appoint my friend, David Maitland, my whole and sole executor desiring
him to pay all my just debts, and to follow the intention of this my last
Will and testament sealed with my seal and signed with my hand this
September 2, 1794. William Poythress. The foregoing was declared by William
Poythress as his last Will and testament in the presence of William Davis,
Walter B. Gilliam and Richard Burnett, Jr. At the court of quarterly
sessions continued and held for Prince George County at the Courthouse on
Wednesday, September 11, 1795, this last Will and testament of William
Poythress, deceased, was presented into court and proved by the oaths of
Walter B. Gilliam and Richard Burnett, Jr., two of the witnesses thereto and
by order of this court was truly recorded.

State of Virginia, Prince George County to wit: I Nathaniel B. Sturdivant
clerk of the County aforesaid do hereby certify that the foregoing is a true
copy of the last Will and testament of William Poythress, deceased, as taken
from the records file in my office. In testimony whereof, I have hereunto
set my hand and affixed the seal of the county aforesaid November 21, 1821
and in the 46th year of the Independence of the United States of America.
Nathaniel B. Sturdivant, Clerk of Court.

State of Virginia, Prince George County to wit: I Benjamin Harrison,
presiding magistrate of the County aforesaid do hereby certify that
Nathaniel B. Sturdivant is clerk of the County aforesaid that the
attestation hereto annexed made by him are in due form and that full faith &
credit are due to his Official Acts such within every Court in the United
States - given under my hand November 26, 1821 in the 46th year of the
Independence of the United States of America. Benjamin Harrison (seal).

State of Kentucky, I Achilles Sneed, Clerk of the court of appeals for the
state aforesaid, do hereby certify that the foregoing instrument of writing
purporting to be a copy of the last Will and testament of William Poythress,
deceased, with the testimonials thereto annexed was produced to me in my
office in Frankfort on February 25, 1823, and that the same is duly
recorded. In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my name the day and year
aforesaid. Achilles Sneed, C. C. A.
Note from the text following the Will itself that this document was a
certified copy of the original Prince George County Will taken to Kentucky
to facilitate disposition of land claims there in William Poythress' name.
The brief abstracts of these proceeding hint that these claims met with some
difficulty. Also, beginning as late as 1833 sons Joshua, Thomas E., and
William P. were petitioning the U. S. House of Representatives for back pay
claimed due to their father. This petition was referred to the Committee on
Revolutionary claims in 1834 and 1836. It appears that no action was taken
on this claim and it presumably lapsed, the government producing a receipt
indicating that Lieutenant William Poythress was duly paid £417/14/0 on
November 7, 1783, for the service in question. This William Poythress may or
may not be the Lieutenant William Poythress for whom we have a line drawing.

[Comments: This William Poythress is without question William # 211 2, who
married Mary Gilliam, of the Bolling Batte chart of the Poythress Family in
Virginia. He was a nephew of Thomas Epes, of High Peake, married Mary
Poythress. He was a great nephew of Elizabeth Poythress (daughter of Captain
Francis Poythress' son John Poythress). Elizabeth married (1) John
Fitzgerald and (2) Thomas Eppes so an earlier generation Eppes was also a
great uncle. Bolling Batte states that this William was the major
beneficiary of his great uncle, Thomas Eppes' Will of 1779. William married
Mary Gilliam, had four sons, cited but unnamed in this Will and had a
daughter who was both unnamed and uncited in this Will. The children of this
marriage were:
211 21 Joshua Poythress (1784-post 1854) married Jane Mills Angus
211 22 Thomas Eppes Poythress (-1847) married Beersheeba Bryant
211 23 William Poythress - died unmarried
211 24 Patrick Henry Poythress (-1822) married Mary Elizabeth Eppes
211 25 Mary Poythress (1793-).]

December 27, 1833, the Petition of the heirs of Captain William Poythress of
the Virginia Continental Line for commutation of five years full pay.
Petition submitted to the U. S. Senate and the Speaker of the House of
Representatives.
Following is the text of this petition and its attachments. Captain William
Poythress is Batte # 211 2 who married Mary Gilliam. The petitioners are
sons Joshua Poythress, Thomas E. Poythress, and William P. Poythress who are
Batte #s 211 21, 211 22, and 211 23 respectively. By the time of this
petition (1833), siblings Patrick Henry Poythress (211 24) and Mary
Poythress (211 25) were deceased and the petitioners represented themselves
as the "only" heirs. After three referrals to the Committee on Revolutionary
Claims, it appears that no action was taken on this partition, and, indeed,
the attachments seem to imply the government rested on what it presumed to
be proof of payment of the pay and the petition languished in committee with
no action.

Text: Page 1, (outside folio/title/disposition notations). William
Poythress. the Petition of the Heirs of Captain William Poythress of the
Virginia Continental Line for commutation of five years full pay, December
27, 1833, Ref to Com on Rev. Claims; December 9, 1834, Ref to Com on Rev.
Claims; June 6th, 1836, Ref to the Committee on Rev. Claims.

Page 2, (Text of Petition). To the honorable Senate and Speaker of the House
of Representatives of the United States assembled. Your petitioners Joshua
Poythress, Thomas E. Poythress and William P. Poythress humbly represent
that they are the children and only heirs of William Poythress, a Captain in
the Army of the Revolutionary war, and an officer in the Virginia Line on
Continental establishment. That the said Poythress entered the service at an
early period of the War and continued in active service until its
termination and received from Virginia his military bounty land for seven
years services as appears by the Certificate of Benjamin Harrison then
Governor of Virginia and herewith filed marked "B." It also appears that
from the certificate of the Auditor of Virginia marked "A," accompanying
this petition that the said Poythress received £14/14/0 in certificates for
the balance of his full pay for services to March 5, 1781. Your petitioners
deem it unneccesary to furnish any further testimony of their father's
services as an Officer of the Revolution as the accompanying documentary
evidence from the army records of Virginia is conclusive evidence to prove
that Captain Poythress is entitled to relief under the Resolutions of
Congress passed in 1780. Your petitioners therefore humbly pray the passage
of an act granting to them the commutation of five years full pay and
interest thereon on account of the aforesaid services of their father which
is amply proved continued until the end of the war in the Virginia
Continental Line in the rank of a Captain. And your petitioners will
ever pray so. Joshua Poythress, Thomas E. Poythress and William P.
Poythress. By John H. Price.

Page 3, Exhibit "A," Certificate of Register of Land Office Virginia. This
is to certify, that it appears from a list in this Office of such Officers
and Soldiers of Virginia Continental Line, during the Revolutionary War, as
settled their accounts, and received Certificates for the balance of their
full pay, according to an Act of Assembly, passed the November Session,
1781, that a Certificate issued on November 7, 1783, in the name of William
Poythress....as a Lieutenant Artillery for £417/14/0, which Certificate
appears to have been delivered to himself....and was given for services
prior to January 1, 1782. To wit as Lieutenant from March, 1777 to August
19, 1780, and as Captain Lieutenant from August 19, 1780, to March 5, 1781.
No Seal of Office. Given under my hand at the Auditor's Office, Richmond,
this December 4, 1883. Jas. E. Meath, Auditor.

Page 4, Exhibit "B," Warrant for 4,000 acres, No. 1878, Council Chamber
1783. I do Certify that William Poythress is entitled to the proportion of
land allowed a Captain Lieutenant of the Artillery in the Continental line
who has served seven years. Thomas Meriwether and Benjamin Harrison. A
warrant for 4,000 acres issued to William Poythress, November 8, 1783. An
examined copy from records in the Land Office of Virginia. Mr. Pedinns, Off.
Va., December 12, 1833.

Page 5, Exhibit "C." County of Prince George, State of Virginia, December
9th, 1833. I hereby certify that Joshua Poythress, Thomas E. Poythress and
William P. Poythress are the lawful heirs of William Poythress, formerly an
Officer in the Revolutionary War. Benjamin Cocke, J. P.

No. 924, 1,000 acres. Survey for William Poythress, 1,000 acres of an part
of a Military Warrant No. 1678, on Reaflers Creek, a branch of Green River,
beginning on the Creek near the head thereof, running thence S70 E160 poles
to a white oak, thence N30 E500 poles crossing several trails to a poplar,
red oak and white oak, southeast corner to the Poythress survey No. 742,
thence with a line of the same N70 W320 poles crossing the Creek at 218
poles to a black gum, white oak, and three Dogwoods thence S20 W 500 poles
crossing several branches to four poplars, thence S70 E 140 poles to the
beginning. Burwell Jackson, April 9th, 1796. Elias Holmes, clerk of court.
Examined and recorded May 12th, 1796. See Ky. Survey #1678 for Warrant
#1878. Richard C. Anderson.

Surveyed for William Poythress 150 acres of land part of a Military Warrant
No. 1878 on the Waters of little Muddy Creek beginning at a hickory
sugaratree and hackberry in a line of a Survey of Joseph Swearingine and a
northeast corner of Burwell Jacksons entry No. 1859 running thence with
Jacksons line S51 W110 poles to a sugartree and hickory thence S52 E150
poles to an elm and two sugartrees thence N51 E30 poles to an ash and two
Dogwoods thence S52 E100 poles to an ash and spanish oak thence N51 S80
poles to a hickory, Dogwood and sugartree in Swearingins line thence with
his line N52 W250 poles to the beginning. Burwell Jackson, 18th April 1792.
Elias Holmes, Elihu Howard. Examined and recorded May 18, 1793. Richard C.
Anderson. See Old Ky. Survey #1668 for Warrant No. 1878.		01/14/2006 9:04:35
RE: CD LongevityJLPMaynard, a very timely topic (it's also being discussed at VA-Roots).
I've already had some cheap CDs I burned a couple of years ago go bad
on me. Indeed, I have learned - as the article points out - that not
all CDs are created equally. The cheap ones may not last as long as 2
years (despite what the know-nothing clerk in the store said). I've
no experience with the HiSpace disks (haven't even seen them anywhere
I shop), but I've received good reports on Imation (also mentioned in
the article), and with Japanese brands (Fuji, Sony, etc.). (I went
through a stack of Imation and Fuji disks about three years ago, and
haven't had a problem with any of them - yet.) Memorex, in my
experience, are the worst for longevity.

Another thing I've learned is that commercially made disks use an
entirely different process to "burn" them than the home computer CD
(and DVD) writers, and they can be expected to last longer.

Also discussed on the VA-Roots list is magnetic tape storage.
Unfortunately, I lost a complete archive of magnetic tape data when I
upgraded my operating system (the tape reader/writer would no longer
work), and I know that tape has a definite shelf storage life problem
unless the tapes are kept in very rigidly controlled
temperature/humidity conditions.

So... Bottom line... I'm 100% convinced that the best storage medium
for the average user with everyday facilities is still good old paper.
Acid-free paper and acid-free ink (in the case of ink jet printers)
are essential for long storage life for these.

Nothing's permanent (yet), and most store clerks do not know what they
are talking about when it comes to discussing longevity of media.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:08 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: CD Longevity


Excellent article:

http://www.practicalpc.co.uk/computing/storage/cdrlifespan.htm

I'm still not 100% convinced that the best solution is not to buy
archival (no sulphites) paper and print it all out.

Maynard



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Virtual census, part 1, 1st cutMichael TutorVirtual Census
England
1609 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) church record
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James City
1632 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) court record
Charles City County
1637 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) deed
James City
1639 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) legislative record
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Lower Norfolk County
1642 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) legal record
Charles City County
1644 Thomas Pawlett Will, mentioned Thomas Poythress
James City
1644 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) legislative record
1646 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) legislative record
1647 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) legislative record
Charles City County
1648 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) deed
James City
1649 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) legislative record
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Northumberland County
1651 Francis Poythress (c. 1609-c. 1651) legal record
Charles City County
1659 Thomas Poythress (c. 1641-) legal record
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Charles City County
1661 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) deed
1665 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) court record
1665 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) deed
1669 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) legal record
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Charles City County
1673 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) court record
1675 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) legal record
1675 Mary Poythress Wynne (c. 1618-aft. 1675) legal record
1676 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) court record
1675 Robert Wynne Will
1677 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) court record
1677 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) court record
1678 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) court record
1679 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) court record
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Charles City County
1680 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) deed
1681 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) deed
1682 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) deed
1683 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) deed
1685 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) court record
Henrico County
1686 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) court record
Charles City County
1687 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-c. 1688) court record
1687 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) deed
1688 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) court record
1688 Rebecca Poythress (c. 1643-aft. 1711) court record
1689 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) court record
1689 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-1688), Major, deceased, court record
1690 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) deed
1690 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-1688), Major, deceased, deed
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Charles City County
1691 Rebecca Poythress (c. 1643-aft. 1711); Francis Poythress will
1691 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) court record
1692 Rebecca Poythress (c. 1643-aft. 1711) deed
1693 Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew (c. 1643-aft. 1711) court record
1694 Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew (c. 1643-aft. 1711) court record
1694 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) court record
Surry County
1699 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712) deed		01/14/2006 12:19:08
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1701 John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), Sr., of Deep Bottom, deed
1702 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), militia officer, legal record
1702 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), militia officer, legal record
1702 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763), militia officer, legal record
1702 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717), Captain, deed
1702 Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) legislative record
1703 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) legislative record
1703 Joshua Wynne (1661-1715), Major, legislative record
1703 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724) deed, mentioned Charles Bartholomew
1704 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-1688), Major, {deceased}, deed
Prince George County
1704 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724) deed
1704 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) tax record
1704 Francis Poythress, Sr. ( - ) tax record
1704 John Poythress, Jr. (c. 1681-1724) tax record
Charles City County
1705 Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) Will of William Byrd
1705 Francis Poythress (c. 1638-1688), Major, {deceased}, deed
Surry County
1705 Joshua Wynne (1661-1715), Gentleman, of Prince George County, deed, and wife, Mary
1705 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717), deed, and daughter, Mary Melone, and son, Robert Wynne
1705 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
Charles City County
1707 John Poythress, Sr., Captain (c. 1672-aft. 1726)
1707 Joshua Wynne, (1661-1715) legislative record
Surry County
1708 Joshua Wynne (1661-1715), Major, deed, and wife, Mary
1708 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) legal record
1708 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), tax record
Prince George County
1708 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726) deed
Surry County
1709 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726) tax record
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Charles City County
1711 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) Byrd's diary
Prince George County
1711 Rebecca Poythress Bartholomew (c. 1660-aft. 1711) deed
1711 Rebecca Poythress (c. 1679-aft. 1736) deed
1711 Anne Bartholomew (c. 1694-aft. 1733) deed
1712 David Poythress (c. 1685-1740) deed
1712 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) Byrd's diary
1712 Francis Poythress, of Westover parish ( - ) deed
1712 Thomas Poythress, of Westover parish (c. 1683-1749) deed
1712 John Poythress, Sr., of Prince George County (c. 1639-1712) Will, mentions wife, Christian, children, John, Peter, Francis, David, Joshua, Robert, William, Elizabeth, Christian, Mary Woodlief, grandson, Francis, brothers, Thomas Wynne and Joshua Wynne.
1713 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) legislative record
1713 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) deed
Surry County
1713 David Poythress (c. 1685-1740) court record
1713 Thomas Wynne (1657-1717 court record
Prince George County
1714 John Poythress, Sr., of Weyanoke parish (c. 1672-aft. 1726) deed
1714 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) deed
1714 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1715 Francis Poythress ( - ), of Westover parish, deed
1715 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), gentleman justice, court record
1715 Robert Poythress (1690-1743)
1715 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) court record
Surry County
1715 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749), of Prince George County, deed
Isle of Wight County
1715 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), of Prince George County, deed
Prince George County
1716 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), gentleman justice, court record
1716 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1716 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) court record
1716 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) court record
1717 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724) court record
1717 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-aft. 1763) court record
1717 Robert Poythress (1690-1743), of Westover parish, deed
1717 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), gentleman justice, court record
Surry County
1717 John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), of Prince George County, deed
1717 David Poythress (c. 1685-1740), Dinkins' Will
Prince George County
1718 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741), of Prince George County, deed
1718 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), gentleman justice, court record
1718 Francis Poythress, the Elder, of Westover parish ( - ), deed
1718 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
1719 John Poythress, Captain (c. 1672-aft. 1726), court record
1719 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741), court record
1719 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) court record
1719 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1719 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763), court record
1720 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) court record
1720 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726), gentleman justice, court record
1720 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) court record
1720 David Poythress (c. 1685-1740) court record
1720 John Poythress, Sr. (c. 1672-aft. 1726), of Prince George County, and wife, Mary, deed
1720 John Poythress, attorney ( - ) Byrd's diary
1720 Francis Poythress, the Elder, of Westover parish ( - ) deed
1720 John Poythress, Jr., of Westover parish (c. 1681-1724) deed
1720 John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
1720 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) court record
1720 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763), of Martin's Brandon, deed
1720 Francis Poythress, Captain ( - ) survey
1720 William Poythress, Mr. (1694-1763) survey
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Prince George County
1721 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
1721 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) deed
1721 John Poythress, Sr. (c. 1672-aft. 1726), and wife, Mary, deed
1721 Peter Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
1721 Robert Poythress, of Prince George County (1690-1743) deed
1721 Peter Wynne (c. 1686-1738) deed
1721 Anne Bartholomew Green (c. 1694-aft. 1733) deed
1721 Francis Poythress, of Surry County ( - ) deed
1721 John Poythress (c. 1681-1725) deed
1721 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
1722 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
1722 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
1722 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) survey
1722 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-aft. 1726) deed
1723 John Poythress, of Prince George County (c. 1681-1724) deed in Isle of Wight County
1723 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
1723 John Poythress, Captain (c. 1672-aft. 1726) deed
1723 Peter Poythress, Mr. (c. 1674-bef. 1726) deed
Surry County
1723 David Poythress, of Surry County (c. 1685-1740) deed
Prince George County
1724 John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1681-1724), and wife, Mary, Will
1724 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) brother's Will
1724 John Poythress (c. 1710-) father's Will
1724 Francis Poythress (c. 1713-) father's Will
1724 William Poythress (c. 1720-) father's Will
1724 Rebecca Poythress (c. 1718-) father's Will
1724 Elizabeth Poythress (c. 1722-) father's Will
1724 Anne Poythress (c. 1724-) father's Will
1724 William Poythress, of Prince George County (1694-1763) deed
1724 Francis Poythress, Captain, of Prince George County ( - ) deed
1724 William Poythress, Mr. (1694-1763) church record
1724 Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County (c. 1683-1749)
1724 H. Poythress ( - ) John Hamlin's Will
1725 Joshua Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1688-1741) deed
1725 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
1725 John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1672-aft. 1726) deed
1726 John Poythress, burgess (c. 1672-aft. 1726) civil record
1726 Peter Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
1726 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
1726 John Poythress, Captain, of Martin's Brandon, deceased (c. 1681-1724), and wife, Mary, Inventory
1726 Rebecca Poythress (c. 1718-) father's Inventory
1726 Elizabeth Poythress (c. 1722-) father's Inventory
1726 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) brother's Inventory
1726 Francis Poythress, Jr. ( - ) survey
Bristol parish
1726 Anne Isham Poythress (1726-1790) birth record
1726 William Poythress (1694-1763) daughter's birth record
1726 Sarah Poythress (1702-1750) daughter's birth record
Prince George County
1727 Joshua Poythress, of Prince George County (c. 1688-1741) deed
1727 John Poythress (c. 1672-aft. 1726) deed
1727 William Poythress, Mr. (1694-1763) deed
1727 Mary Poythress (c. 1676-1760), wife of John Poythress, brother's Will
1727 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) Henry Batte's Will
1727 John Poythress, Captain, of Prince George County (c. 1672-aft. 1726) deed
1727 William Poythress, of Prince George County (1694-1763) deed
1727 Francis Poythress, Jr., ( - ) deed
1727 William Poythress (1727-bef. 1769) birth record
1727 Sarah Poythress (1702-1750) son's birth record
Bristol parish
1727 William Poythress, Mr. (1694-1763) church record
1728 William Poythress, Mr. (1694-1763) church record
Prince George County
1728 Francis Poythress, Jr., of Prince George County ( - ) deed
1728 Robert Poythress, of Prince George County (1690-1743) deed
Henrico County
1729 Francis Poythress ( - ), grandson, Will of John Worsham
1729 Francis Poythress, Jr. ( - ) survey
Surry County
1729 David Poythress (c. 1685-1740) deed
Bristol parish
1729 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
1729 Elizabeth Poythress (1729-) birth record
1729 Francis Poythress ( - ) daughter's birth record
1729 Hannah Poythress ( - ) daughter's birth record
1730 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
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Prince George County
1731 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
Bristol parish
1731 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
1731 Sarah Poythress (1731-) birth record
1731 Sarah Poythress (1702-1750) daughter's birth record
1732 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
Surry County
1732 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
Isle of Wight County
1732 John Poythress (c. 1710-1760) deed
Prince George County
1732 Joshua Poythress, merchant, of Prince George County (c. 1688-1741) deed
1732 William Poythress (1694-1763) business record
Bristol parish
1732 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
Surry County
1732 Robert Poythress, of Prince George County (1690-1743) deed
Brunswick County
1733 John Poythress (c. 1710-1760) deed
Prince George County
1733 Thomas Poythress, of Prince George County (c. 1683-1749) deed
1733 William Poythress, of Prince George County (1694-1763) deed
Bristol parish
1733 William Poythress, Captain (1694-1763) church record
Surry County
1733 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
Isle of Wight County
1733 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
Surry County
1734 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
1734 Robert Wynne, of Southwark, Surry County (c. 1685-1754) deed
1734 Thomas Wynne (c. 1680-)
Bristol parish
1734 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
Prince George County
1734 Joshua Poythress, of Prince George County, gentleman (c. 1688-1741) deed
1734 William Poythress, gentleman (1694-1763) deed, near Sapponi Chapel
Bristol parish
1735 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
1735 Francis Poythress, Captain ( - ) church record
Surry County
1735 Robert Poythress, of Prince George County (1690-1743) deed
1735 David Poythress, of Surry County (c. 1685-1740) deed
1735 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
Prince George County
1735 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
Brunswick County
1735 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
Bristol parish
1736 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
Amelia County
1736 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1736 William Poythress (1694-1763) court record
Henrico County
1736 Francis Poythress, Major ( - ) tax record
Brunswick County
1736 John Poythress, gentleman (c. 1710-)
Bristol parish
1737 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
Surry County
1737 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
Prince George County
1737 Francis Poythress ( - ) legal record
1737 Joseph Poythress ( - ) deed
1737 John Poythress (c. 1710-) deed
1737 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) court record
1737 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) court record
1737 Lewis Green (c. 1680-), husband of Frances Gilliam, deed
1737 Peter Wynne ( - ), son of Peter Wynne and Frances Anderson, grandson of Joshua Wynne
1737 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1737 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) court record
1737 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) court record
1737 Hannah Poythress ( - ) court record
1737 William Poythress (1694-1763) court record
1738 William Poythress (1694-1763), gentleman justice, legal record
1738 Francis Poythress ( - ), justice of the peace, legal record
1738 Francis Poythress ( - ), gentleman, collection of tithables
1738 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) court record
1738 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) court record
1738 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1738 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) court record
1738 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) court record
1738 Hannah Poythress ( - ) court record
1738 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) court record
1738 John Poythress (c. 1710-) deed
1738 Charles Poythress (bef. 1718-bef. 1763) deed
1738 Martha Poythress (1718-1751)? court record
1738 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) court record
1738 Francis Poythress ( - ), gentleman justice, legal record
1738 John Poythress (c. 1710-), gentleman, court record
1738 Francis Poythress ( - ) commissioned officer in militia, legal record
1738 William Poythress ( - ) commissioned officer in militia, legal record
Bristol parish
1738 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
1738 Francis Poythress, Captain ( - ) church record
1739 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
1739 Francis Poythress, Captain ( - ) church record
Surry County
1739 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) deed
Chesterfield County
1739 Charles Poythress (bef. 1718-bef. 1763) marriage record
Prince George County
1739 Francis Poythress, gentleman ( - ) tithables collecting
1739 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1741) Will of Daniel Eelbank
1739 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1739 William Poythress (1694-1763) church record
1739 John Poythress (c. 1710) court record
1739 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) court record
1739 George Poythress (c. 1718-) court record
1739 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) deed
1739 Charles Poythress (bef. 1718-bef. 1763) court record
1739 William Poythress, gentleman justice (1694-1763) court record
1739 Joshua Poythress, of Martin's Brandon (c. 1688-1741) Will
Amelia County
1739 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
1739 William Poythress (1694-1763) court record
1739 Charles Poythress (bef. 1718-bef. 1763) deed
1739 John Poythress (c. 1710-) deed
1739 Peter Wynne, s. of Peter Wynne (c. 1686-1738) deed
1739 Robert Poythress, gentleman (1690-1743) deed
Isle of Wight
1739 Peter Poythress, Mr. (c. 1674-bef. 1763)
Brunswick County
1739 Anne Poythress (c. 1721-) Robert Hicks' Will
Prince George County
1740 David Poythress, deceased, late of Bristol parish (c. 1685-1740) letter of administration
1740 Edmund Poythress (c. 1718-) letter of administration
1740 William Poythress, gentleman (1694-1763) letter of administration
1740 Joshua Poythress (c. 1688-1740) Will
1740 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) cousin's Will
1740 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) brother's Will
Bristol parish
1740 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
Brunswick County
1740 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) court record
1740 William Poythress (1694-1763) court record
1740 Rebecca Pace Bradford (c. 1702-1764) court record
Surry County
1740 David Poythress, deceased (c. 1685-1740)
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Brunswick County
1741 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) court record
1741 William Poythress (1684-1763) court record
1741 Rebecca Pace Bradford (c. 1702-1764) court record
1741 Hannah Poythress (c. 1690-1765), executor Francis Poythress, deceased, court record
1741 Joseph Poythress ( - ) deed
1741 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1741) court record
1741 John Poythress (c. 1710-c. 1760)
Prince George County
1741 William Poythress, gentleman (1694-1763) deed
1741 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
Charles City County
1741 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) brother Joshua's Will
1741 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) cousin Joshua's Will
1741 Joshua Poythress, deceased (c. 1688-1740) Will
1741 Mrs. Poythress ( - ) Byrd's diary
Bristol parish
1741 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) daughter's birth record
1741 Sarah Poythress (1702-1750) daughter's birth record
1741 Elizabeth Poythress (1741-1810) birth record
Amelia County
1741 Joseph Poythress ( - ) deed
Prince George County
1742 William Poythress ( - ) deed
Henrico County
1742 William Poythress ( - ) court record
Surry County
1742 Peter Poythress (c. 1674-bef. 1763) deed
Brunswick County
1742 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) court record
1742 William Poythress (1694-1763) court record
Bristol parish
1742 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
1742 Ann Poythress Wall (c. 1721-) possible marriage
Prince George County
1743 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) Will
1743 Elizabeth Poythress (1693-bef. 1787) husband's Will
1743 Robert Poythress (c. 1724-1782) father's Will
1743 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) father's Will
1743 William Poythress (c. 1737-1783) father's Will
1743 Elizabeth Poythress Gilliam (c. 1714-c. 1788) father's Will
1743 Mary Ann Poythress Minge (c. 1725-) father's Will
1743 Agnes Poythress Minge (c. 1723-) father's Will
1743 Tabitha Poythress (c. 1726-1805) father's Will
1743 Susanna Poythress (c. 1734-) father's Will
1743 Jane Poythress (c. 1732-1805) father's Will
Bristol parish
1743 William Poythress (1694-1763) church record
Prince George County
1744 William Poythress, sheriff (1694-1763) court record
1744 Robert Poythress, Mr. (c. 1724-1782) court record
Bristol parish
1744 William Poythress, Major (1694-1763) church record
1745 William Poythress, Colonel (1694-1763) church record
Prince George County
1745 Edmund Poythress (c. 1718) newspaper record
1745 Francis Poythress, Captain ( - ) deed
1745 Charles Poythress (c. 1717-1772) deed
1745 Thomas Poythress (c. 1683-1749) deed
1745 John Poythress, Jr. (c. 1710-1760) deed
Surry County
1745 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) deed
Amelia County
1745 Poythress ( - ) deed
Charles City County
1745 Agnes Poythress Harwood (c. 1723-) husband's Will
1745 Mary Ann Poythress Minge (c. 1725-) brother-in-law's Will
1745 Robert Poythress (c. 1724-1782) brother-in-law's Will
Prince George County
1746 Poythress ( - ) deed
1746 William Poythress ( - ) deed
1746 Robert Poythress (c. 1724-1782) deed
Bristol parish
1747 William Poythress, Colonel (1694-1763) church record
1747 Robert Poythress, deceased (1690-1743) church record
Brunswick County
1747 Anne Poythress Wall (c. 1721-) deed
1747 Rebecca Pace Bradford (c. 1702-1764) court record
Prince George County
1747 Poythress ( - ) deed
Amelia County
1747 Poythress ( - ) deed
Henrico County
1748 William Poythress (1694-1763) deed
1748 Sarah Poythress (1702-1750) deed
Bristol parish
1748 William Poythress, Colonel (1694-1763) church record
1748 Robert Poythress, deceased (1690-1743) church record
Amelia County
1748 Elizabeth Poythress, Mrs. (c. 1683-c. 1787) road order
1748 Robert Poythress (1690-1743) deed
Prince George County
1748 Poythress ( - ) deed
Henrico County
1749 William Poythress, Colonel (1694-1763) deed
Surry County
1749 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) executor
1749 Elizabeth Poythress (1693-1787) executor
1749 Robert Poythress, deceased (1690-1743) court record
1749 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) executor
1749 Thomas Poythress, deceased (c. 1683-1749) court record
1749 Peter Poythress, carpenter (c. 1674-bef. 1763) court record
Brunswick County
1749 John Poythress (c. 1710-1760) deed
Bristol parish
1749 William Poythress, Colonel (1694-1763) church record
Prince George County
1749 John Poythress (c. 1710-1760) deed
1749 William Poythress ( - ) deed
1749 Charles Poythress (c. 1718-bef. 1763) deed
Amelia County
1749 William Poythress, of Prince George County ( - )
Chesterfield County
1749 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) court record
Bristol parish
1750 William Poythress, Colonel (1694-1763) church record
Amelia County
1750 William Poythress, of Prince George County ( - )
Surry County
1750 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) executor
1750 Elizabeth Poythress (1693-1787) executor
1750 Robert Poythress, deceased (1690-1743) court record
1750 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) executor
1750 Thomas Poythress, deceased (c. 1683-1749) court record
1750 Peter Poythress, carpenter (c. 1674-bef. 1763) court record
1750 Peter Poythress ( - ) Commission of Peace
Chesterfield County
1750 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) court record
Brunswick County
1750 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) deed
Dinwiddie County
1750 Mary Poythress (1731-1750) tombstone
1750 William Poythress, Jr. (1728-bef. 1769) husband of Mary
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Surry County
1751 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) court record
1751 Thomas Poythress, deceased (c. 1683-1749) court record
1751 Robert Poythress, deceased (1690-1743) court record
1751 Elizabeth Poythress (1693-c. 1787) court record
1751 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) court record
1751 Major Poythress ( - ) court record
Granville County, North Carolina
1751 Charles Poythress, of Virginia (c. 1717-1772) deed
Chesterfield County
1751 Elizabeth Poythress (1693-c. 1787) court record
Prince George County
1751 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed, adjoining William Poythress
Henrico County
1751 Elizabeth Poythress, daughter of Elizabeth Cocke, Will
Bristol parish
1751 William Poythress (1694-1763) church record
1752 William Poythress, Colonel (1694-1763), no longer in parish, church record
Lunenburg County
1752 Edmund Poythress (c. 1718-), court record
1752 Francis Poythress ( - ), son and heir of Francis Poythress, court record
Dinwiddie County
1752 William Poythress ( - ) deed
Halifax County
1752 Charles Poythress (c. 1717-1772) court record
1753 Charles Poythress (c. 1717-1772) court record
Amelia County
1753 William Poythress ( - ) Will of Major Peter Jones
Dinwiddie County
1753 William Poythress ( - ) deed
1753 Edward Poythress ( - ) deed
Prince George County
1753 David Poythress, deceased (c. 1685-bef. 1740) inventory
1753 Edmund Poythress (c. 1718-) inventory
Granville County, North Carolina
1753 Charles Bartholomew, grandson of Charles Bartholomew, tax record
Prince George County
1754 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) legislative record
1754 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) newspaper
Halifax County
1754 Charles Poythress (c. 1717-1772) court record
Brunswick County
1754 William Poythress, sheriff ( - ), court record, possibly son of John Poythress (c. 1681-1724)
Surry County
1754 William? Poythress ( - ) Will of David Long
Sussex County
1754 Robert Wynne (c. 1685-1754) Will
Prince George County
1754 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) estate of Arthur Biggins, Jr.
Bristol parish
1754 William Poythress, Colonel (1694-1763) church record
1754 William Poythress (1728-c. 1769) church record
Sussex County
1755 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) court record
1755 Robert Poythress, deceased (1690-1743) court record
1755 Elizabeth Poythress (c. 1693-1787) court record
1755 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) court record
Surry County
1755 William Poythress, Jr. ( - ) Will of David Long
Bertie County, North Carolina
1755 William Poythress (c. 1720-) deed, son of John Poythress (c. 1681-1724)
1756 William Poythress (c. 1720-) deed, son of John Poythress (c. 1681-1724)
1756 James Abington, deed
Brunswick County
1756 Charles Poythress (c. 1717-1772) court record
Sussex County
1756 Robert Poythress, deceased (1690-1743) court record
1756 Elizabeth Poythress (c. 1693-1787) court record
1756 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) court record
Amelia County
1756 William Poythress ( - ) deed
1756 Joseph Poythress ( - ) deed
Surry County
1756 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) Will of William Short
1756 Mary Poythress (-bef. 1788) Will
1756 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) Will
1756 William Poythress (1753-1794) Will
1756 Elizabeth Poythress (1755-aft. 1795) Will
1757 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) Will of William Short
1757 Mary Poythress (-bef. 1788) Will
1757 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) Will
1757 William Poythress (1753-1794) Will
1757 Elizabeth Poythress (1755-aft. 1795) Will
Bertie County, North Carolina
1757 William Poythress, of North Carolina (c. 1720-) deed, son of John Poythress (c. 1681-1724)
1757 Sarah Poythress, wife of William Poythress, deed
Halifax County
1757 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
Surry County
1758 Charles Poythress, of Dinwiddie County (c. 1717-1772) deed
Sussex County
1759 Joshua Poythress, Mr. (c. 1720-1782)
Prince George County
1759 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) court order
1759 William Poythress, of Dinwiddie (1694-1763) deed
Chesterfield County
1759 John Poythress, son of Charles Poythress, Will of Elizabeth Anderson
1759 William Poythress, of Dinwiddie (1694-1763) deed
Dinwiddie County
1759 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) newspaper
Prince George County
1760 William Poythress, of Dinwiddie (1694-1763) deed
1760 Mary Poythress (c. 1676-1760) estate, daughter of Henry Batte
1760 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) deed
Brunswick County
1760 John Poythress, Jr. (c. 1710-c. 1760) inventory
Chesterfield County
1760 William Poythress ( - ) transaction
Amelia County
1760 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
1760 John Poythress ( - ) deed
1760 Edmund Poythress (c. 1718-) deed
Bristol parish
1760 William Poythress (1728-c. 1769)
Dinwiddie County
1760 Poythress ( - ) deed
Granville County, North Carolina
1760 Charles Bartholomew, grandson of Charles Bartholomew
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Dinwiddie County
1761 Hannah Poythress (c. 1690-c. 1765) deed
Chesterfield County
1761 Charles Poythress (c. 1717-1772) estate of Ralph Crawford
Lunenburg County
1761 William Poythress ( - ) deed
1762 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) deed
Chesterfield County
1762 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
1762 Charles Poythress (c. 1717-1772) court record
Amelia County
1762 Poythress ( - ) deed
Bristol parish
1762 William Poythress (1728-c. 1769) church record
Sussex County
1762 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) estate of William Tomlinson
Dinwiddie County
1762 Hannah Poythress (c. 1690-c. 1765) deed
1763 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) fee book
1763 William Poythress, Captain (c. 1728-c. 1769) executor of William Poythress, deceased, Prince George County
1763 Francis Poythress ( - ) fee book
1763 Peter Poythress, deceased (c. 1674-bef. 1763) fee book
1763 Charles Poythress, deceased (c. 1717-c. 1763) fee book
1763 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) fee book
1763 Francis Poythress, Jr. ( - ) fee book
1763 John Poythress, deceased, (c. 1710-1760) fee book
1763 Robert Poythress ( - ) fee book, William Glasscock, his guardian?
1763 E. Poythress ( - ) fee book
1763 Poythress ( - ) deed
Amelia County
1763 Poythress ( - ) deed
1763 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed
Sussex County
1763 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) deed
1763 Mary Poythress (-c. 1788) deed
1763 William Poythress, deceased (1694-1763) fee book
Prince George County
1763 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) newspaper
Surry County
1763 William Poythress, of Prince George County ( - ) Will of Henry Browne
Dinwiddie County
1764 E. Poythress ( - ) fee book
Sussex County
1764 Poythress ( - ) deed
1764 Peter Poythress ( - ) deed
Amelia County
1764 Joseph Poythress ( - ) deed
Chesterfield County
1765 Francis Poythress, of Prince George County ( - ) inheritance from grandfather Walke?
1765 Hannah Poythress (c. 1690-c. 1765) inheritance record
1765 Mary Poythress ( - ) inheritance record
Lunenburg County
1765 Thomas Prosise? deed (the original needs to be studied to ascertain correct spelling)
1765 Mary Prosise? deed (Thomas Poythress is involved in several Lunenburg County records)
Bristol parish
1765 William Poythress (c. 1728-c. 1769) church record
Amelia County
1766 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed
1766 John Poythress (c. 1740-) deed
Prince George County
1766 John Poythress, Jr. (c. 1740-) newspaper
Bristol parish
1767 William Poythress (c. 1728-c. 1769) church record
Lunenburg County
1767 Mary Poythress Epes, daughter of Joshua Poythress I (c. 1730-1792) birth record of son
Amelia County
1767 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed
Bristol parish
1767 William Poythress (1728-c. 1769) church record
Prince George County
1768 Peter Poythress, Captain, of Prince George County (1730-1787) newspaper
Amelia County
1768 Poythress ( - ) deed
1768 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
Sussex County
1768 Poythress ( - ) deed
1769 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed
Lunenburg County
1769 John Poythress, of Prince George County (c. 1710-1760) deed
Bristol parish
1769 William Poythress, Captain, deceased (1728-c. 1769) church record
Chesterfield County
1769 Tabitha Poythress Randolph (c. 1726-1805) Will
1769 Peter Poythress, Major (1730-1787) Will
Prince George County
1769 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) legislative record
1770 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) legislative record
1770 John Poythress (c. 1740-) newspaper
Southampton County
1770 John Poythress ( - ) Will of Edward Lundy
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Bute County, North Carolina
1771 Charles Bartholomew, deed
Prince George County
1771 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) legislative record
Dinwiddie County
1771 William Poythress, deceased ( - ) newspaper
Blandford
1771 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) newspaper
Amelia County
1771 Peter Poythress, of Branchester, Martin's Brandon, Prince George County (1730-1787) deed
Brunswick County
1771 Peter Poythress, of Prince George County ( 1730-1787) deed
Sussex County
1772 Peter Poythress, Major (1730-1787) deed
Prince George County
1772 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) legislative record
1772 Joseph Poythress ( - ) newspaper
Bute County, North Carolina
1772 Charles Poythress, deceased (c. 1717-1772) deed
Charles City County
1772 Poythress ( - ) account record
Northumberland County
1772 Robert Poythress, of Amelia County (c. 1724-1782) newspaper
Dinwiddie County
1772 Mary Poythress ( - ) Will, widow of Edward Poythress, deceased
1772 Tabitha Poythress ( - ) daughter of Edward and Mary Poythress
1772 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed
Mecklenburg County
1772 William Poythress ( - ) deed
1773 William Poythress ( - ) deed
Sussex County
1773 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1787) deed
Mecklenburg County
1773 William Poythress ( - ) deed
Prince George County
1773 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) legislative record
Chesterfield County
1773 Robert Poythress (c. 1724-1782) court record
1773 Tabitha Poythress Randolph (c. 1726-1805) deed
Brunswick County
1773 Thomas Poythress, of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County (c. 1729-1800) deed
Blandford
1773 Poythress ( - ) newspaper
Sussex County
1773 Peter Poythress, Major (1730-1787) estate of Thomas Parham
Bute County, North Carolina
1773 Charles Poythress, deceased (c. 1717-1772) deed
Brunswick County
1774 Thomas Poythress, of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County (c. 1729-1800) court record
1774 Peter Poythress, of Prince George County (1730-1787) deed
Prince George County
1774 Joshua Poythress, Jr. (1751-1794) newspaper
1774 William Poythress, Mr., deceased (1728-c. 1769) newspaper
1774 Peter Poythress, Major (1730-1787) newspaper
Chesterfield County
1775 Tabitha Poythress Randolph (c. 1726-1805) deed
Sussex County
1775 Peter Poythress, of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County (1730-1787) deed
Prince George County
1775 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) legislative record
1775 Lucy Poythress (c. 1755-) newspaper
1775 William Poythress, deceased ( - ) Will
Henrico County
1775 Peter Poythress, Esquire, of Prince George County (1730-1787) legislative record
Augusta, Georgia
1775 Francis Poythress, deceased ( - ) newspaper, Leonard Claiborne
Charlotte County
1775 William Poythress, Major, deceased ( - ) estate
Blandford
1776 Joshua Poythress, Jr. (1751-1794) newspaper
Prince George County
1776 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) newspaper
1776 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) newspaper
1776 Robert Poythress (c. 1724-1782) newspaper
Sussex County
1776 Peter Poythress, of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County (1730-1787) deed
Fredericksburg
1777 Robert Poythress (c. 1724-1782) newspaper
Prince George County
1777 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) newspaper
1777 Joshua Poythress, Jr. (1751-1794) newspaper
1777 Nancy Poythress (c. 1757-1804) newspaper
1777 Peter Poythress, Colonel, of Prince George County (1730-1787) newspaper
1777 William Poythress, Mr. (1753-1794) newspaper
1777 William Poythress, of Prince George County, deceased (1728-c. 1769) Will
1777 William Poythress, deceased (1750-c. 1774) Will
1777 Benjamin Poythress (1754-) Will
1777 Lucy Poythress Gordon (c. 1755-) Will
1777 Anne Isham Poythress (c. 1760-1784) Will
1777 Mary Poythress (c. 1768-) Will
1777 Peter Poythress, of Branchester, Prince George County (1730-1787) newspaper
York
1777 William Poythress (1753-1794) newspaper
Virginia Gazette
1777 William Poythress, Lieutenant ( - ) newspaper
Dinwiddie County
1777 Benjamin Poythress (1754-) newspaper
1778 Peter Poythress, Esquire, of Prince George County (1730-1787) deed, adjacent to Peter Wynne
Prince George County
1778 William Poythress (1753-1794) deed
1778 Joseph Poythress ( - ) newspaper
Prince George County
1779 Joshua Poythress, Jr. (1751-1794) newspaper
1779 Joshua Poythress ( - ) money exchange
1779 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) money exchange
1779 William Poythress ( - ) money exchange
1779 William Poythress (1753-1794) Will of Peter Epes
1779 Joshua Poythress (c. 1720-1782) Will
1779 William Poythress, Mr., continental army officer, (1753-1794) newspaper
Brunswick County
1779 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) money exchange
1779 Ann Poythress ( - ) deed
Dinwiddie County
1780 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed
Prince George County
1780 Peter Poythress, Colonel (1730-1787) newspaper
1780 Mary Polly Poythress (c. 1762-1815) newspaper
North Carolina
1780 Francis Poythress, preacher ( - ) Asbury diary
Brunswick County
1780 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) Bond
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Brunswick County
1781 Thomas Poythress, Sr. (c. 1729-1800) court record
1781 Thomas Poythress, Jr. (c. 1756-bef. 1830) court record
1781 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-c. 1845)
Mecklenburg County
1781 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-c. 1845) marriage record
Brunswick County
1782 Thomas Poythress, Jr. (c. 1756-bef. 1830) court record
1782 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-c. 1845) personal property tax record
1782 Thomas Poythress, Sr. (c. 1729-1800) tax record
Prince George County
1782 Mary Poythress (-bef. 1788) taxes
1782 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) taxes
1782 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1782 William Poythress (1753-1794) taxes
1782 William Poythress ( - ) estate of Richard Bland
Greensville County, Virginia
1782 Robert Poythress, deceased (c. 1724-1782) court record
Dinwiddie County
1782 Peter Poythress, Colonel (1730-1787) tax record
Brunswick County
1783 Thomas Poythress ( - ) revolutionary war service
1783 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-c. 1845) deed
Prince George County
1783 Mary Poythress (-bef. 1788) taxes
1783 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) taxes
1783 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1783 William Poythress (1753-1794) taxes
Chesterfield County
1783 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed
Mecklenburg County
1783 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) deed
Greenbrier County
1783 Francis Poythress, preacher ( - ) with Asbury
Land Office
1783 William Poythress, Captain Lieutenant of Artillery, Virginia Continental Line ( - ) military record
Sussex County
1784 Mary Poythress, of Bristol parish, Prince George County (-bef. 1788) deed
Brunswick County
1784 Thomas Poythress, Sr. (c. 1729-1800) tax record
1784 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-1845) tax record
1785 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-1845) tax record
Prince George County
1785 William Poythress (1753-1794) land transfer
1785 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) land transfer
1785 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) Will written
1785 Elizabeth Poythress (1733-1792) Will
1785 Elizabeth Poythress Mayo (c. 1759-1806) Will
1785 Anne Poythress Randolph (c. 1757-1804) Will
1785 Mary Poythress Batte (c. 1762-1815) Will
1785 Agnes Poythress (c. 1770-1821) Will
1785 Lucy Bland Poythress (c. 1764-bef. 1823) Will
1785 Sally Poythress Lee (c. 1768-1828) Will
1785 William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) Will
Sussex County
1785 Mary Poythress, of Prince George County (-bef. 1788) deed
Wilkes County, Georgia
1785 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
Bounty Warrant
1785 Francis Poythress, Sergeant, deceased (c.1760-c. 1785) war record
1785 Francis Poythress, the Elder ( - ), war record, father of Sgt. Francis Poythress
1785 Mary Poythress Randolph (c. 1763-1841) war record
Prince George County
1786 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) taxes
1786 William Poythress ( - ) estate of Richard Bland
1786 Susanna Poythress (c. 1766-1799) marriage record
Mecklenburg County
1786 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-c. 1845) deed
Brunswick County
1786 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) court record
Dinwiddie County
1787 Peter Poythress, Colonel (1730-1787) taxes
Prince George County
1787 William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) marriage record
1787 Elizabeth Bland Poythress (c. 1770-) marriage record
1787 John Poythress (c. 1740-) estate of Alexander Robertson
1787 William Poythress ( - ) estate of Richard Bland
1787 Elizabeth Poythress, of Prince George County, widow of Peter Poythress (c. 1733-c. 1792) Will written
1787 Sallie Poythress Lee (c. 1768-1828) Will
1787 Tabitha Poythress Randolph (c. 1726-1805) Will
1787 Mary Poythress, of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County (-bef. 1788) deed
1787 Peter Poythress (1730-1787) taxes
1787 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1787 William Poythress (1753-1794) taxes
1787 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
1787 Mary Poythress (c. 1768-aft. 1787) estate of John Gordon
1787 William Poythress, deceased (1728-c. 1769) estate of John Gordon
Sussex County
1787 Poythress ( - ) deed
1787 William Poythress ( - ) deed
Greene County, Georgia
1787 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
Brunswick County
1787 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) deed
Dinwiddie County
1788 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
Sussex County
1788 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) deed
1788 John Poythress (c. 1740-) estate of John Edmunds
1788 William Poythress, Major ( - ) estate of John Edmunds
1788 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) estate of John Edmunds
Brunswick County
1788 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) tax record
Prince George County
1788 Mary Short Poythress (-c. 1788) Will
1788 Susanna Poythress (c. 1766-1799) Will
1788 William Poythress (c. 1753-1794) Will
1788 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1788 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1788 Agnes Poythress (c. 1770-1821) marriage record
Greene County, Georgia
1788 Francis Poythress ( - ) court record
Lexington, Kentucky
1788 Francis Poythress, preacher ( - ) Asbury records
Augusta, Burke County, Georgia
1788 Thomas Poythress ( - ) defaulters' list
Greene County, Georgia
1789 Thomas Poythress ( - ) tax list
1789 T. H. Poythers (Hardaman?) tax list
1789 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
Dinwiddie County
1789 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
Prince George County
1789 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1789 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1789 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1789 William Poythress (1753-1794) taxes
1789 Francis Poythress ( - ) estate of Joel Sturdivant
1789 Joseph Poythress ( - ) estate of Joel Sturdivant
1789 Hardeman Poythress married Elizabeth Golder
1789 William Poythress ( - ) estate of Benjamin Harrison
Sussex County
1789 William Poythress ( - ) deed
Brunswick County
1789 Thomas Poythress ( - ) church record
Petersburg, Virginia
1790 Ann Poythress ( - ) Will of William Buchanan
Prince George County
1790 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1790 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1790 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1790 William Poythress, of Prince George County (1753-1794) deed
1790 Mary Gilliam Poythress, of Prince George County (c. 1764-bef. 1810) deed
1790 Joshua Poythress, the Elder, of Flowerdew Hundred, deceased (c. 1720-1782) deed
1790 William Poythress, Jr. (c.1765-c. 1810) estate of Thomas Peterson
1790 Anne Isham Poythress Gordon (1726-1790) Will
1790 William Poythress, of Prince Geo. Co., son of Peter Poythress, of Prince Geo. Co., deceased (1765-1810)
1790 William Poythress ( - ) inventory of William Brown
Sussex County
1790 William Poythress ( - ) deed
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Dinwiddie County
1791 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
Prince George County
1791 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1791 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1791 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1791 William Poythress (1753-1794) taxes
1791 William Poythress, of Prince Geo. Co., son of Peter Poythress, of Prince Geo. Co., deceased (1765-1810)
1791 Elizabeth Poythress (1733-1792), deed, widow of Peter Poythress
1791 William Poythress ( - ) estate of William Green
1791 William Poythress, Jr., son of Peter Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) deed
1791 Mary Gilliam Poythress (c. 1764-bef. 1810) Will of John Gilliam, her father
Brunswick County
1791 Thomas Poythress ( - ) deed
1791 Martha Poythress, wife of Thomas Poythress ( - ) deed
Mecklenburg County
1791 Edith Cleaton Poythress, wife of Meredith Poythress, Will of William Cleaton, her father
Dinwiddie County
1792 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
Prince George County
1792 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1792 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1792 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1792 William Poythress (1753-1794) taxes
1792 Mary Poythress (c. 1764-bef. 1810) deed
1792 William Poythress, of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County ( - ) deed
1792 William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) deed
1792 Elizabeth Poythress (1770-aft. 1810) deed
Sussex County
1792 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) deed
1792 William Poythress ( - ) deed
Brunswick County
1792 Thomas Poythress, Sr. (c. 1729-1790s) court record
1792 Thomas Poythress ( - ) tax record
Greene County, Georgia
1792 Francis Poythress ( - ) deed
Mecklenburg County
1792 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-1850) marriage record
1792 Elizabeth Giles Poythress (c. 1773-bef. 1802) marriage record
1792 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-c. 1845) marriage record
Dinwiddie County
1793 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
Prince George County
1793 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1793 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1793 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1793 William Poythress (1753-1794) taxes
Greenbrier County
1793 Francis Poythress, preacher ( - ) Asbury records
Greene County, Georgia
1793 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
Chesterfield County
1793 Tabitha Poythress Randolph (c. 1726-1805) estate of father
1793 Robert Poythress, deceased (c. 1724-1782) estate of father
1793 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) estate of father
1793 William Poythress, deceased (c. 1737-c. 1783) estate of father
1793 Elizabeth Poythress, deceased (c. 1693-bef. 1787) estate of husband
Bristol parish
1793 William Poythress (1753-1794) birth record
1793 Mary Poythress (c. 1764-bef. 1810) birth record
1793 Mary Poythress (1793-bef. 1833) birth record
Georgia Militia
1793 William Poythress, corporal ( - ) military record during Indian troubles
Brunswick County
1793 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) court record
Dinwiddie County
1794 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
Prince George County
1794 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1794 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1794 Joshua Poythress (1751-1794) taxes
1794 William Poythress (1753-1794) taxes
1794 William Poythress, of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County, deceased (1753-1794) Will
1794 Mary Poythress (c. 1764-bef. 1810) Will
1794 Patrick Henry Poythress (c. 1780-1824) Will
1794 Joshua Poythress (c. 1784-1854) Will
1794 Thomas Epes Poythress (c. 1785-1847) Will
1794 William Poythress (c. 1794-aft. 1833) Will
Greene County, Georgia
1794 Francis Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia ( - ) deed
Chesterfield County
1794 Tabitha Poythress Randolph (c. 1726-1805) estate of father
1794 Robert Poythress, deceased (c. 1724-1782) estate of father
Brunswick County
1794 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) deed
1795 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) deed
1795 Martha Poythress, wife of Thomas Poythress ( - ) deed
Dinwiddie County
1795 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1795 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
Prince George County
1795 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1795 Peter Poythress, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1795 Joshua Poythress, deceased (1751-1794) taxes
1795 William Poythress, deceased (1753-1794) taxes
Amelia County
1795 Robert Poythress, deceased ( - ) court record
Dinwiddie County
1796 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1796 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
1796 Francis Poythress ( - ) Will written
1796 Mary Peterson Poythress (c. 1730-) Will of husband
1796 Mary Peterson Poythress Randolph (c. 1763-1841) Will of father
Prince George County
1796 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1796 Joshua Poythress, deceased (1751-1794) taxes
1796 William Poythress, deceased (1753-1794) taxes
Mecklenburg County
1796 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-c. 1845) marriage record
1796 Lewis Poythress (c. 1770-bef. 1850) deed
1796 Edith Cleaton Poythress, wife of Meredith Poythress, Will of William Cleaton, her father
Brunswick County
1796 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) court record
1796 Martha Poythress, wife of Thomas Poythress ( - ) court record
1797 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) court record
1797 Martha Poythress, wife of Thomas Poythress ( - ) court record
1797 Thomas Poythress ( - ) tax record
Dinwiddie County
1797 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1797 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
Prince George County
1797 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1797 Joshua Poythress, deceased (1751-1794) taxes
1797 William Poythress, deceased (1753-1794) taxes
1797 William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) taxes
Burke County, Georgia
1797 George Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1829) court record
Burke County, Georgia
1798 Thomas Poythress ( - ) tax record
Dinwiddie County
1798 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1798 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
Prince George County
1798 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1798 Joshua Poythress, deceased (1751-1794) taxes
1798 William Poythress, deceased (1753-1794) taxes
1798 William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) taxes
Brunswick County
1798 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) court record
Mecklenburg
1798 Meredith Poythress (c. 1760-c. 1845) estate record
Burke County, Georgia
1799 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) election
1799 Thomas Poythress, Jr. (c. 1756-bef. 1830) petition
1799 George Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1829) petition
1799 Edward Poythress (c. 1769-aft. 1817) petition
Brunswick County
1799 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) court record
Prince George County
1799 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1799 Joshua Poythress, deceased (1751-1794) taxes
1799 William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) taxes
Jessamine County, Kentucky
1799 Susannah Poythress Pryor (1730/1750-) tax record
Burke County, Georgia
1800 Thomas Poythress, Esquire (c. 1729-1800) sheriff
1800 George Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1829) deed
1800 Patsy Poythress ( - ) estate of Thomas Poythress
Prince George County
1800 Mary Poythress, deceased (-c. 1788) taxes
1800 Joshua Poythress, deceased (1751-1794) taxes
1800 William Poythress, deceased (1753-1794) taxes
1800 William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) taxes
1800 William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810) Branchester deed
Brunswick County
1800 Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1800) court record
Dinwiddie County
1800 Peter Poythress, Colonel, deceased (1730-1787) taxes
1800 Francis Poythress ( - ) taxes
Greene County, Georgia
1800 Poythress ( - ) deed
Jessamine County, Kentucky
1800 Susannah Poythress Pryor (1730/1750-)
1800 Francis Poythress, preacher ( - )		01/14/2006 12:21:54
Re: Virtual census, part 2, 1st cutMichael Tutor01/15/2006 2:26:36
RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew Hundred, 4th GenerationDeloris RileyMichael, new thought: Do I recall that "somewhere" I have read that
Francis Poythress I and/or his wife Mary, had a "Joshua" as an ancestor;
I have always wondered if there was a possibility if this is where the
name "Joshua" originated. I have never found it, previous to the Joshua
Wynne in America, anywhere in the Wynne line. Deloris Wynne-Riley

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:37 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew
Hundred, 4th Generation

The Fourth Generation: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I),
of
Flowerdew Hundred
R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress
[213 William Poythress]

Family
William Poythress, of Flowerdew Hundred, the son of Joshua Poythress,
was
born in the 1720s.

Inheritance
On April 8, 1741, the Will of William's father, Joshua Poythress, of
Flowerdew Hundred, was proved by Richard Bland and Ann Bland. Joshua (I)

appointed his brothers, William and Robert Poythress, and his friends
and
relations, Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress and John Woodlief, to divide
the
estate. He appointed his brother, Robert Poythress, and his cousin,
Thomas
Poythress, to be executors of his Will. He gave to his sons Joshua and
William Poythress the land he lived on, that he bought from Mrs.
Elizabeth
Duke and Captain John Hardyman, to be equally divided. He also gave them
his
land on the Nottaway River, in Surry County, to be equally divided
between
them. He gave his son, Littlebury, 20 shillings, and asked his sons,
Joshua
and William, to keep him during his lifetime. All of the rest of his
estate
was to be equally divided between his wife and five children, Joshua,
William, Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress and Mary Poythress.

On April 8, 1741, in Prince George County, the last Will and testament
of
Joshua Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert Poythress
and
Thomas Poythress, his executors, who made oath thereto and it being
proved
by the oath of Richard Bland, Gentleman, and, Ann Bland, two of the
witnesses thereto who also made oath that they saw Christian Poythress
subscribe the said Will, a witness was ordered to be recorded and on the

motion of the said Robert Poythress and their giving Bond and Security
according to law, certificate was granted them for obtaining a probate
of
the said Will in due form. Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress,
executors,
of the last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, with
Richard
Bland and William Poythress, Gentlemen, their Securities entered into
Bond
in the sum of £5,000 current money payable to Robert Bolling with
condition
for their faithful executorship and thereby acknowledge the same in
court.
It was ordered that Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors, of
the
last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, present the said
deed
and its estate to the next court.



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William Poythress, son of John Poythress, Jr., of Martin's Brandon, later of Bertie County, NC, 4th GenerationMichael TutorHarder to separate than the John Poythresses are the William Poythresses.
Hopefully, by posting the numerous William Poythresses, we will be able to
determine which William was which.

The following series of entries involving Surry County, the Browne family
and the Cocke family may be William Poythress, the son of Colonel William
Poythress, whose wife has not been identified. The name Lucy Edwards has
been mentioned as a wife of a William Poythress. In these entries, are found
members of the Edwards' family. This William Poythress could also be William
Poythress, the son of Joshua Poythress and the brother to Littlebury
Poythress, who inherited land in Surry County. Finally, this could also be
William Poythress, the son of John Poythress, Jr.
--------
On July 16, 1754, in the Surry County court, the Will of David Long,
Gentleman, of Surry County, dated ______, and recorded ______.
James Cocke and Henry Browne, Gentlemen, were the executors.
Wife: Mary. Mentions: wife's father, Colonel Benjamin Edwards, John Ruffin,
_____ Poythress, Hartwell Cocke and Thomas Cocke, Gentlemen, swear to
handwriting. March 9, 1755, in the Surry County court, Henry Brown,
Gentleman, to Mary Long, by Will of David Long, Gentleman. The witnesses
were William Poythress, Jr., Sarah Edwards and William Edwards.

In Surry County, the Will of Henry Browne, of Surry County, dated October
30, 1762, recorded December 21, 1763. William Browne, of Surry County, and
John Edmunds, of Sussex County, were the executors.
Wife: Hannah. Sons: William, Henry, Benjamin Edwards Browne (first of two
not 21). Daughters: Mary and Elizabeth Browne. Friends: William Poythress,
of Prince George County, and Hartwell Cocke, of Surry County. Mentions: land
in Southampton and Brunswick Counties; lots in Cobham, Guilford and
Petersburg. The witnesses were James Carter, John Hutchings, Jr., and John
Collier.

On July 13, 1790, in Prince George County, the inventory of William Brown,
appraised by William Poythress and others.
---------
William Poythress, the son of John Poythress, Jr., was to receive 400 acres
as per his father's Will. The only 400 acres that I could find in my
database that would fulfill this inheritance codicil was the following land
transaction. However, William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress, owned land
along the Nottaway River in Surry County.
---------
On March 24, 1735, William Poythress, Gentleman, was granted 400 acres near
Sapponi Chappel, in Prince George County, adjoining Robert Bolling, by the
side of the Nottaway River Road, crossing Stephen's Branch.
On September 25, 1746, John Wagnon, 576 acres, in Prince George County, on
the south side of Stoney Creek, adjoining Robert Bolling, the land purchased
of William Poythress, by the side of the Nottoway River Road, 400 acres part
thereof being formerly granted unto William Poythress by our letters patent
bearing date March 24, 1734, the right and title of which the 400 acres has
become vested in John Wagnon, and 176 acres the residue never before
granted. [note: Poythress appears frequently hereafter in the Wagnon family
as a middle name; even into Burke and Green Counties, Georgia].
---------
Finally, a series of entries witnessed by a William Poythress in Mecklenburg
County may have involved William Poythress, the son of John Poythress, Jr.
As Thomas Poythress was his first cousin and the father to the Mecklenburg
County Poythresses, it seems possible that some of these close relatives
lived nearby and eventually made the move to Georgia.
---------
On September 14, 1772, in Mecklenburg County, Thomas Taylor, Jr., to Messrs.
Dinwiddie, Crawford and Company. The witness was William Poythress.
On February 2, 1773, in Mecklenburg County, Benjamin Smith to Dinwiddie,
Crawford and Company. The witness was William Poythress.
On March 8, 1773, in Mecklenburg County, Henry Langford to Dinwiddie,
Crawford and Company. The witness was William Poythress.
On March 8, 1773, in Mecklenburg County, Henry Langford to James Hargrove.
The witnesses were Lewis Parham, Isham Malone and William Poythress.
On May 4, 1773, in Mecklenburg County, Joseph Magoune to Dinwiddie, Crawford
and Company (deed as bond for sum owed). The witnesses were Lewis Parham,
William Poythress and John Lucas.
---------

The Fourth Generation: William Poythress, son of John Poythress, of Martin's
Brandon parish
R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress
[79 vi. William Poythress was born AFT 1717 in VA [(P_1) DCC].]

Family
William Poythress was born about 1720, the son of John Poythress and Mary
(Hardyman?). He married Sarah and they were known to be of Bertie County,
North Carolina, by 1756.

Inheritance
In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, proved May 12, 1724.
I give my son, John Poythress, and his heirs, my plantation where I now
live, 100 acres of land, as also 100 acres of land adjoining, called
Colebrooks, taking in the Ivy point, so running down Hugh Evans' Spring
Bottom to William Stainback's corner poplar, and also I give my said son,
John Poythress, and to his heirs, my tract of land lying on the south side
of the main Blackwater Swamp, not debarring his brothers, Francis and
William Poythress, from getting timber for their plantations' use, as also
giving them liberty to drive their stocks of hogs and cattle upon the land,
if they shall think fit, and if it should please God to take him out of the
world before he comes to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of his body
lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son, Francis
Poythress, should possess all the above said lands as is mentioned, and to
his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, and his heirs, land lying at and about the
place called Brick Chimneys, binding upon my son, John Poythress', and
brother, Thomas Poythress' lands, so round the Deep Bottom, taking in the
whole tract or dividend of land, and if it should please God to take him out
of the world before he arrives to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of
his body lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son,
William Poythress, should possess all the above said land mentioned, and to
his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and their heirs, 280 acres,
joining to Thomas Poythress' land, so running a south course over the horn
branch, and so binding upon John Young's, Dorrel Young's, and John
Winningham's land, to be equally divided betwixt my two sons, John and
Francis Poythress, and to their heirs forever.
I give my son, William Poythress, and his heirs, 150 acres, binding upon
Thomas Poythress' and Thomas Lovesay's land, formerly belonging to Joseph
Patterson, called Powell's, and if it should please God to take him out of
the world before he arrives to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of his
body lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son, John
Poythress, should possess the above mentioned land, and his heirs lawfully
begotten forever.
I give my son, John Poythress, a small featherbed and furniture, six new
rush leather chairs, one chest, one gun, and a mare, a young horse, and the
increase of her forever, to him and his heirs for ever.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, a small feather bed and furniture, one
young mare about three years old, and her increase to him and his heirs for
ever.
I give my son, William Poythress, a bay mare, and her increase, to him and
his heirs for ever.
I give my three sons, John, Francis and William Poythress, all my stock of
hogs and cattle, to be equally divided amongst them, only what I shall give
hereafter unto my loving wife, Mary Poythress, which is four cows and
calves, and a parcel of hogs as uses about Colebrooks, about twenty or
thirty of them, and my will further is that as much of the stock be disposed
of as will be of value sufficient to enter and survey 400 acres of land in
the woods, according to the discretion of my executors, for my son, William
Poythress, and to be patented in his name, and then the remaining part of
the stock to be equally divided between my three sons, John, Francis and
William Poythress, and their heirs forever.
I give my three sons, John, Francis and William Poythress, my three negroes,
Betty, Judy and Grace, and their increase, to be equally divided when my
son, William Poythress comes to the age of 18 years, and my will and desire
is that my son, John Poythress, should have the aforesaid negroes, with
their increase, in his possession, when he shall attain to the age of 21,
and there to remain till my son, William, attains to the age of 18 years,
then they and their increase to be equally divided between my three sons,
John, Francis and William Poythress, and to their heirs lawfully begotten
forever.
I give my daughter, Rebecca Poythress, my negro man, Tom, and one featherbed
and furniture, to her and her heirs for ever.
I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, my negro boy, Jamy, to her and her
heirs for ever.
I give my daughter, Ann Poythress, my negro boy, Will, to her and her heirs
for ever.
I give my loving wife, Mary Poythress, my negro man, Seipis(?), one
featherbed and furniture, four cows and calves and a parcel of hogs uses
about Colebrooks, and all my pewter, brass, and iron, as I am possessed
with, and my two working horses, and all the rest of the small matters as is
not mentioned in this my last Will and Testament, to her and her heirs for
ever.
I appoint Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, pastor, my executors of this
my last Will and Testament. The witnesses, Francis Epes, Jr., William
Stainback and John Winningham. At a Court held at Merchant's Hope for Prince
George County, on Tuesday, May 12, 1724, the last Will and testament of John
Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert Poythress and John
Woodlief, his executors, who made oath thereto, and it was proved by the
oaths of Francis Epes, William Stainback and John Winningham. And on the
motion of the said Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, executors, and their
giving Bond and Security according to law, Certificate was granted them for
obtaining a probate of the said Will in due form. The Will was recorded,
August 11, 1724, at a court at Merchant's Hope, for Prince George County,
with an account of personal property items valued at £209/14/5. John
Stainback, John Winningham and William Stainback were the appraisers.

The 150 acres called Powell's, left to William Poythress, was bought by his
father, John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), on November 8, 1720, from Francis
Poythress, John's uncle. The land that was inherited by John Poythress' son,
John Poythress, was possibly bought by John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), on
October 23, 1703, and on September 5, 1723.

On December 13, 1726, in the Prince George County court, the inventory of
the estate of Captain John Poythress, deceased, was valued at £130/12/8. The
executors of the Will were Robert Poythress and John Woodlief. The legatees
were Mary, his wife, Rebecca, his daughter, Elizabeth, his daughter, Colonel
William Randolph, Captain Richard Randolph and John Fitzgerald, among
others.

Guardian of William Poythress
On March 13, 1739, in the Prince George County court, on the complaints of
William Poythress, one of the orphans of John Poythress, of Jordan's,
deceased, who was bound as apprentice to Robert Simpson, of this county, for
misusage and which complaints appeared to be just the said William was
discharged from the apprenticeship and chose Charles Irby, his guardian, who
had time until the next court to appear and give bond and security.

Property: Land
On December 8, 1755, in Bertie County, North Carolina, Peter Hays and wife,
Bether [Butrice?], sold 100 acres to Thomas Hays for £10 on the south side
of Cashy Swamp. The witnesses were William Poythress, George Vann and John
Bryan.

On October 21, 1756, in Bertie County, North Carolina, William Poythress, of
Bertie County, in North Carolina, and wife, Sarah, sold 100 acres to Matthew
Turner, of Bertie County, in North Carolina, adjoining Gristock, over
Jumping Run in the fork, adjoining John Harrell, to the first station, it
being out of a deed granted to Thomas Page, the said deed bearing date 1753.
Sarah Poythress, the wife of William Poythress, freely surrendered all her
right of dower. The witnesses were Henry Averet and George House.

On December 16, 1756, in Bertie County, North Carolina, Edward Boyd and
wife, Abigale, of Society Parish, sold 200 acres to Samuel Jobe for £16,
land granted Barnaby Bryant, December 13, 1755. The witnesses were William
Poythress and James Abington. (After the death of William Poythress' father,
John Poythress, Jr., his mother married John Abington).		01/15/2006 3:29:27
William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew Hundred, 4th GenerationMichael TutorThe Fourth Generation: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
Flowerdew Hundred
R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress
[213 William Poythress]

Family
William Poythress, of Flowerdew Hundred, the son of Joshua Poythress, was
born in the 1720s.

Inheritance
On April 8, 1741, the Will of William's father, Joshua Poythress, of
Flowerdew Hundred, was proved by Richard Bland and Ann Bland. Joshua (I)
appointed his brothers, William and Robert Poythress, and his friends and
relations, Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress and John Woodlief, to divide the
estate. He appointed his brother, Robert Poythress, and his cousin, Thomas
Poythress, to be executors of his Will. He gave to his sons Joshua and
William Poythress the land he lived on, that he bought from Mrs. Elizabeth
Duke and Captain John Hardyman, to be equally divided. He also gave them his
land on the Nottaway River, in Surry County, to be equally divided between
them. He gave his son, Littlebury, 20 shillings, and asked his sons, Joshua
and William, to keep him during his lifetime. All of the rest of his estate
was to be equally divided between his wife and five children, Joshua,
William, Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress and Mary Poythress.

On April 8, 1741, in Prince George County, the last Will and testament of
Joshua Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert Poythress and
Thomas Poythress, his executors, who made oath thereto and it being proved
by the oath of Richard Bland, Gentleman, and, Ann Bland, two of the
witnesses thereto who also made oath that they saw Christian Poythress
subscribe the said Will, a witness was ordered to be recorded and on the
motion of the said Robert Poythress and their giving Bond and Security
according to law, certificate was granted them for obtaining a probate of
the said Will in due form. Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors,
of the last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, with Richard
Bland and William Poythress, Gentlemen, their Securities entered into Bond
in the sum of £5,000 current money payable to Robert Bolling with condition
for their faithful executorship and thereby acknowledge the same in court.
It was ordered that Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors, of the
last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, present the said deed
and its estate to the next court.		01/15/2006 3:36:31
William Poythress, son of Robert Poythress, 4th GenerationMichael TutorThis William Poythress would be the only other candidate to be the
Lieutenant William Poythress in the line sketch on the Poythress website.
This William would have been in his forties at the time of the portrait
whereas his cousin, William Poythress, who received the land in Kentucky,
was in his twenties.

The Fourth Generation: William Poythress, son of Robert Poythress
R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress
[283 William Poythress. His existence would not have been known except for a
statement made in a 1793 Chesterfield deed given by Tabitha (Poythress 285)
Randolph to the effect that her father Robert Poythress 28 had by his will
left property to his sons Robert, Peter, and William Poythress.]

Family
William Poythress was born about 1737, in Prince George County, the son of
Robert Poythress and Elizabeth (Cocke?). He died before April 12, 1787. He
married Elizabeth ------ (1741-1783) and they were the parents of Elizabeth
Poythress (1765-1818) who married Anthony Peniston (1764-1797).

Inheritance
On September 13, 1743, the Will of William's father, Mr. Robert Poythress,
of Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince George County, was proved by Richard
Bland, William Batte and William Poythress. Robert appointed his brother,
William Poythress, Colonel Richard Bland and Mr. John Gilliam to divide his
estate. He appointed his wife, Elizabeth, and his sons, Robert and Peter to
be executors of his Will. He gave his son, William, all of his lands lying
between Monkoes Neck and Nottaway which he bought from Captain Thomas
Bolling and all of his lands in Amelia County contiguous to William Stone's
land, and nine negroes, Phillis, Seanah, Gambia, Caesar, Pheby, Kate, Pat
and Pompey. His son also received 1/4th of his furniture, a share of the
stocks and 1/4th share of the remainder of his estate. The court was held at
Fitzgerald's.

Robert Poythress (I) received 350 acres at the Indian swamp from his father,
John Poythress, in his December 11, 1712, Will. On May 9, 1717, Robert
Poythress (I) bought 500 acres, in Prince George County, from Stith Bolling.
On September 12, 1721, Robert exchanged 267 acres with William Parham for
100 acres in Martins Brandon, Prince George County. On March 22, 1732,
Robert leased 267 acres at the Indian swamp to John Parham. On September 28,
1728, Robert bought 291 acres at the Butterwood swamp, in Prince George
County, which he left to his son, Captain Robert Poythress, in his 1743
Will. On July 12, 1735, Robert bought 600 acres from his brother, David
Poythress, part of which, Tanotoro, was left by John Poythress to his son,
David Poythress, in his 1712 Will. Robert left this land to his son, Colonel
Peter Poythress, in his 1743 Will. On September 28, 1728, Robert had land
adjacent to the 297 acres bought by Robert Glover, in Prince George County.
He left this property to his son, Colonel Peter Poythress, in his 1743 Will.
On June 17, 1735, Robert bought 412 acres, in Surry County, from Thomas
Bolling, Mariner, which he left to his son, William Poythress, in his 1743
Will. On June 1, 1741, Robert bought 400 acres, in Amelia county, that he
left to his son, William, in his 1743 Will.

Professional Life
The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution, Volume 69,
p. 181. Mrs. Nellie Hazen Gough. DAR ID Number: 68491. Born in Newburgh,
Indiana, wife of Eugene H. Gough. Descendant of Solomon Hazen and Lieutenant
William Poythress. Daughter of Gaines H. Hazen (b. 1847) and Emma J. Beatley
(b. 1857), his wife. Granddaughter of Albert Hazen and Eliza Roberts, his
wife; James Madison Beatley (1815-1865) and Ann Peniston (1823-1900), his
wife, married 1837. Gr-granddaughter of Zavan Hazen and Abigail Patterson,
his wife; Francis P. Peniston (1794-1824) and Hannah S. Moore (1796-1823),
his wife, married 1815. Gr-gr-granddaughter of Solomon Hazen and Theodora
Pease, his wife; Anthony Peniston (1764-1797) and Elizabeth Poythress (b.
1765), his wife, married 1783. Gr-gr-gr-granddaughter of William Poythress
and Elizabeth - (1741-1783), his wife, married 1758. Solomon Hazen
(1759-1849) enlisted, 1777, in Captain Joshua Hazen's company, Colonel Peter
Olcott's regiment from Vermont. He was born in Woodbury, Connecticut; died
in Hartford, Vermont. William Poythress (1741-1783) served as lieutenant in
1st Continental artillery, Virginia Line. He was born in Virginia.

The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution, Volume
148, p. 93. Mrs. Marguerite Aley
Stouse.147297. Born in Denver, Colorado, wife of Henry Stouse. Descendant of
Lieut. William Poythress, as follows: 1. Theodore Benedict Aley (1859-1895)
married 1866 Minnie Wathen (b. 1867). 2. Calvin R. Aley (1833-1894) married
1858 Susan Louise Beatley (b. 1838). 3. James Madison Beatley (1813-1865)
married 1837 Ann Peniston (1823-1900). 4. Francis Poythress Peniston
(1794-1824) married 1815 Hannah Satterwhite Moore (1796-1823). 5. Anthony
Peniston (1764-1797) married 1783 Elizabeth Poythress (1765-1818). 6.
William Poythress married 1758 Elizabeth - (1741-1783). William Poythress
(1737-1783) was 1st lieutenant of artillery in the Virginia Continental
Line. He was born and died in Virginia.

Commissions wanted for the Officers in Colonel Charles Harrison's Regiment
of Artillery: Captain Drury Ragsdale.etc. William Poythress, 1st Lieutenant,
November 21st, 1777, promoted by the resignation of Lieutenant Dudley."
(Papers of the Continental Congress, M247, r93, 178, v5, p. 167). This
Charles Harrison may have been born in 1738, the son of Benjamin Harrison IV
and Anne Carter. Benjamin Harrison IV was killed July 12, 1745, when he was
struck by lightning. His son, Benjamin Harrison V, husband of Elizabeth
Bassett, was a signer of the Declaration of Independence.

Property: Land
On September 11, 1749, Samuel Jordan, the younger, late of Prince George
County, in the Colony of Virginia, to William Poythress, of the same county,
450 acres, in Amelia County, in order to indemnify said William Poythress
for having become surety for said Samuel Jordan.
On April 20, 1750, in Amelia County, William Poythress, of Prince George
County, to Walter Boyd, of Prince George County, Merchant, 450 acres, in
Amelia County, on the south side of the Little Nottaway River, being the
same land conveyed to William Poythress by a deed from Samuel Jordan, the
younger.

Adjoining Property
On August 16, 1756, James Draper, 149 acres, in Amelia County, between
Tommahitton and the Burchen Swamps, adjoining Joseph Poythress "his corner"
and William Poythress "at the county line."
On April 21, 1762, Charles Connally and Catherine, his wife, of Nottoway
parish, in Amelia County, sold to Robert Williams, of the same, 200 acres,
in Nottoway parish, in Amelia County, lying between the lines of George
Hill, Poythress and Parrs (alias) Haymes, it being amongst other things
devised by William Stone, deceased, to his daughter, Catherine, wife of the
said Charles Connally. The witnesses, John Mainere, William Tucker and
Samuel Bentley.

As Witness
In 1753, in Amelia County, the Will of Major Peter Jones, probated 1759, and
named executors, his friends, Richard Jones, Jr., Peter Jones (son of Major
Richard Jones) and Edmund Jones, etc. The witnesses were William Poythress,
Thomas Williams and Richard Jones, Sr.

After William Poythress' Death
In June, 1794, in Chesterfield County, Tabitha Randolph, of Chesterfield
County, daughter of Robert Poythress, late of Prince George County,
deceased, a deed to Henry Archer [son-in-law], of Chesterfield County, for
£100, 1/5th interest in 8 negroes and their increase devised by her father,
Robert Poythress, of Prince George County, in his Will dated May 24, 1743,
in which Will said Robert Poythress provided that his wife should have a
life interest in the said negroes and their increase should be equally
divided between the three sons of the said Robert Poythress, viz. Robert,
Peter and William Poythress, and such of the testators daughters as were
married at the time of their mother's death. The said Tabitha being married
at the time of her mother's death conveys this interest. In 1794, in
Chesterfield County, Tabitha Randolph, one of the daughters and legatees of
Robert Poythress, deceased, versus William Mayo, acting executor of Peter
Poythress, deceased. The court ordered the commissioners to set aside to
said plaintiff certain negroes out of the estate of Robert Poythress,
deceased, with the increase since his death, and also estimate hire from the
death of said Peter Poythress, and make report to this court. Summary Bill
of Complaint. Elizabeth Poythress possessed herself of 12 slaves according
to the will of Robert Poythress. She died many years after her husband,
surviving her sons, Robert and William. The slaves then devolved to their
brother, Peter. Until her death, Elizabeth Poythress lived with or near said
Peter and he had management of her affairs. He was entitled to 3/5 of the
slaves at her death in behalf of himself and his two deceased brothers,
William and Robert. At that time, only 2 of the testator's daughters were
unmarried, the oratrix, Tabitha Randolph, and her sister, Elizabeth Gilliam.
Peter continued to keep under his care the 8 negroes of which he was 3/5
owner. He died a few years past. William Mayo, Esquire, was the acting
executor of the said Peter Poythress and continued to hold possession of the
said 8 slaves, though often requested to give the oratrix her share. She
desired an accounting of the 8 slaves and their issue and sex be given, then
her 1/5 of said slaves and 1/5 of labor since the death of said Peter
Poythress to be allotted to her.		01/15/2006 3:58:05
Captain William Poythress, of Prince George County, son of Colonel William PoythressMichael TutorThe Fourth Generation: Captain William Poythress, of Prince George County
R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress
[252 William Poythress (1728-c. 1768), m. (1) Mary Eppes (1731-1750). The
only knowledge of her existence comes from her tomb in Bothwell graveyard in
Dinwiddie County. This recites that she was "daughter of Capt. William Eppes
and wife to William Poythress, Jr." Which of the several William Eppes was
her father has not been definitely settled. There were no known children of
this marriage. William's second, but unidentified, wife was the mother of
his six known children whose names come to light by a division of the slaves
of William's estate, decreed in 1775. William Poythress was elected to the
vestry of Bristol Parish on 5 Aug 1760 to succeed his father, recently
deceased. He was County Lieutenant for Prince George County in 1761.
252 1 William Poythress was party to division of father's slaves in 1775. No
further record.
252 2 Anne Isham Poythress (1760-1784), m. 1777 in Middlesex County William
Yates, son of William and Elizabeth (Randolph) Yates.
252 3 Mary Poythress m. Francis Muir of Dinwiddie County
252 4 Benjamin Poythress. see note for William Poythress 252 1 above.
252 5 Sally Poythress. same
252 6 Lucy Poythress. m. John Gordon.]

Family
William Poythress was born March 14, 1728, in Prince George County,
Virginia, the son of William Poythress and Sarah Epes. He married Mary Eppes
about 1749, the daughter of Captain William Eppes. She died October 4, 1750,
at the age of 19, and was buried in the Bothwell graveyard, in Dinwiddie
County. He married a second time and they had six children, (1) William, (2)
Benjamin, (3) Lucy, who married John Gordon, (4) Anne Isham, who married
William Yates, (5) Mary, who married Francis Muir, and (6) Sally. He died
before June 10, 1769.

Son, Benjamin Poythress
October 13, 1777, in the Virginia Gazette, Benjamin Poythress, on Butterwood
Creek, in Dinwiddie County, advertised having taken up a horse. "Taken up,
on Butterwood Creek, in Dinwiddie County, a bay mare about 4 feet 9 inches
high, with hanging mane, neither docked or branded, her off hind foot white,
appears to have been surfeited lately, about 4 years old. Polled, and
appraised to £40. Benjamin Poythress.

Son-in-law, John Gordon, husband of Lucy Poythress
May 1, 1787, in Prince George County, account of the estate of John Gordon,
Francis Muir, administrator, names, among many, Mary Poythress, heirs of
William Poythress.

Inheritance
Captain William Poythress was the executor of the Will of his father,
Colonel William Poythress, who died on January 18, 1763, in Dinwiddie
County. The Will was recorded in February, 1763, in Dinwiddie County.

Professional Life
In 1761, William Poythress was appointed County Lieutenant, for Prince
George County.
In 1763, William Poythress was a Captain.

Civic Activities
On August 5, 1760, William Poythress was appointed a vestryman, in Bristol
parish, in place of Major William Eppes, deceased.
On May 24, 1762, William Poythress was appointed a churchwarden.
On June 10, 1769, Mr. Theophilus Field, Jr., was appointed a vestryman in
the place of Captain William Poythress, deceased.

After William Poythress' Death
On September 12, 1771, the Virginia Gazette announced an auction, on
Butterwood Creek, in Dinwiddie County, at the plantation where Nathaniel
Hobbs was overseer. Thirty Virginia born slaves, belonging to the estate of
William Poythress were to be sold.

On August 11, 1774, the Virginia Gazette announced the rental of William
Poythress' plantation, where he had lived in Prince George County, about
four miles from Blandford, containing 500 acres, a house, necessary
outhouses, barns and orchards. Anyone interested in the property was to
contact Major Peter Poythress.
In July, 1775, the division of William's slaves was ordered by the Prince
George County court. His son, William, and his daughter, Sally, had already
died, leaving his son, Benjamin, and his daughters; Lucy, who married John
Gordon, Anne Isham Poythress, and Mary Poythress.

On December 23, 1775, in the Virginia Gazette, the executors of William's
estate, announced auctions at his plantation on Little Roanoke, in Charlotte
County, also at his Butterwood Quarter, in Dinwiddie County, and at his
Tombeaton Quarter. At the Butterwood Quarter, there was to be an auction of
a large number of slaves. In 1777, Peter Poythress, of Branchester, the
executor of William's estate, announced final plans to deliver the estate to
the beneficiaries.		01/15/2006 4:06:50
William Poythress, Jr., son of Captain William Poythress, 5th GenerationMichael TutorThe Fifth Generation: William Poythress, Jr.
R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress
[252 1 William Poythress was party to division of father's slaves in 1775.
No further record.]

Family
William Poythress was born around 1750, the son of Captain William
Poythress, of Prince George County. William died before July, 1775.

After William Poythress' Death
In July, 1775, in Prince George County, the division of the estate of
William Poythress, of Prince George County: The division of slaves of
William Poythress, deceased, by decree of the Prince George County court,
July, 1775, we have divided the slaves William Poythress died possessed of,
between the plaintiffs, John Gordon and Lucy, his wife, Ann Isham Poythress
and Mary Poythress and the defendant, Benjamin Poythress, and allotted to
each of the legatees their share. The value of those allotted to John and
Lucy Gordon was unequal to the value of those given to the others, and
Benjamin is to pay the other legatees: to Ann Isham Poythress, £3/13/4; to
Mary Poythress, £11/3/4; to Benjamin Poythress £1/13/4; to Benjamin
Poythress as heir of William Poythress, Jr., £8/13/4; to Benjamin Poythress
as heir of Sally Poythress, £1/13/4. All names of slaves were listed, but no
last names, except for Andrew Miller, Jack Vaughan, Lucy Cook and Frank
Cook. William Poythress, Jr., Benjamin Poythress, Lucy Poythress Gordon, Ann
Isham Poythress, Mary Poythress and Sally Poythress were children of William
Poythress and Lucy Edwards.		01/15/2006 4:11:11
William Poythress, of Branchester, son of Colonel Peter Poythress, 5th GenerationMichael TutorHopefully, with this entry, all of the William Poythresses of the first five
generations have been posted. I would hope that further study into these men
with the same name will provide greater definition of their individual
lives.

William Poythress, son of Peter Poythress II
R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress
[#281 5 William Poythress (1765-1811), m. 1787 in Prince George Elizabeth
Blair Bland (1770-), daughter of Richard and Mary (Bolling) Bland and
granddaughter of Richard and Anne (Poythress 271) Bland of "Jordans." Issue:
one daughter, Elizabeth Bland Poythress. William Poythress m. (2) Rebecca
Williams. No issue. As William left no male issue the Poythress name became
extinct as to his branch with the death of his only daughter.
281 51 Elizabeth Bland Poythress m. 1817 Richard Marks of Prince George. She
survived her husband, who died before 1834. According to a statement in
10V106 [Swem index?] she was buried at "Branchester." With her decease,
whenever that was, passed the last person born with the surname Poythress
among the descendants of Robert Poythress 28, and possibly also among the
descendants of John and Christian (Peebles) Poythress 2. Since John and Mary
(Batte) Poythress 26 are not known to have had issue, it is likely that the
name Poythress exists today only among the descendants of Francis Poythress
4.]

Family
William Poythress was born about 1765, the son of Peter Poythress and
Elizabeth Bland. He married Elizabeth Blair Bland on February 10, 1787.
Their daughter Elizabeth Bland (bef. 1811-), married Richard Marks. William
died before May 15, 1810.

Inheritance
The Will of Peter Poythress, dated October, 6, 1785, was probated in
January, 1786. It named wife, Elizabeth, daughters, Elizabeth, wife of
William Mayo, Anne Randolph, Mary Batte, Agnes, Lucy Bland Poythress, and
Sally Lee. It left all real property, except some lots in the town of
Blandford, to his son, William, who was not 21.

Professional life
On September 14, 1790, in Prince George County, tobacco notes, October,
1789, to September, 1790, at Boyd's Warehouse. Names, among others, William
Poythress.

Civic Activities
On January 12, 1790, in Prince George County, the inventory of the estate of
Thomas Peterson, appraised by John Batte, William Poythress, Jr., and
Instance Hall.
On July 12, 1791, in Prince George County, the account of the estate of
William Green, for 1790. Examined by, among others, was William Poythress.
On September 23, 1793, in the Brunswick County court, the Commonwealth of
Virginia, to William Robertson, John Baird and William Poythress, Gentlemen,
Greeting, whereas Edmund Harrison and Mary, his wife, of Prince George
County, by their certain indenture of Bargain and Sale bearing date January
28, 1793, have sold unto Joseph Baugh, of Brunswick County, the fee simple
estate of 664 acres of land with the appurtenances, in Brunswick County, and
whereas the said Mary Harrison cannot conveniently travel to our Court, to
make acknowledgment of the said conveyance therefore we do give unto you or
any two or more of you power to receive the acknowledgment which the said
Mary shall be willing to make before of the conveyance, and we therefore
command you that you personally go to the said Mary and receive her
acknowledgment of the same and examine her privately and apart from the said
Edmund her husband, July 3, 1793. By virtue of this Commission to us
directed we the subscribers have privily examined Mary Harrison, the wife of
the within named Edmund Harrison, in manner and form as the said Commission
requires and have received her acknowledgment of the Indenture hereunto
annexed, Certified under our hands and seals August 12, 1793. Signed by
William Robertson and William Poythress. This Commission for taking the
acknowledgment and privy examination of Mary Harrison to an Indenture of
Bargain and Sale from Edmund Harrison and Mary, his wife, to Joseph Baugh
was returned together with a certificate of the execution thereof which was
ordered to be recorded.
On December 5, 1794, in Prince George County, Surveyor's record,
"Charteris," 518 acres, surveyed for William Poythress and Charles Duncan,
executors of Robert Boyd, bounded by Ruffin and Watts. Robert Turnbull was
the County Surveyor.

Property: Land
On January 12, 1790, William Poythress, Jr., Gentleman, of Prince George
County, to Robert Birchett, of Prince George County, on the south side of
the Blackwater Swamp, in Prince George County (no acreage was stated, but
the description of the boundaries was long and detailed). Signed by William
Poythress, Jr., and William Harris. The witnesses, J. Williams, Samuel
Vaughn, William Birchett and William Birchett, Jr.
On June 8, 1790, in Prince George County, Elizabeth Green and Francis B.
Green, executors of William Green, deceased, to William Poythress, Jr., 296
acres, bounded by Robert Batte, the Mill Pond, Colonel Peter Epes, being all
the land of William Green, deceased, held in that tract except for ½ acre
reserved for a burying place. The witnesses were John Hamlin, Frederick
Green and Edmund Ruffin, Jr.
On June 8, 1790, William Poythress, Jr., of Prince George County, to Edward
Marks, of the same county, 400 acres, in Prince George County, being the
remainder of that tract of land in Blackwater Swamp known by the name of
"Poythress' Quarter," and 30 acres, a tract lying south of the Quaker's
Road.
On July 26, 1790, in Prince George County, Articles of Agreement, between
William Poythress and Thomas Harris. William Poythress has claimed an
interest in a tract of land where the said Thomas Harris lived and the said
William Poythress and Thomas Harris being willing to settle the affair and
affix the right title. John Harris gave William Poythress title to a house
sold by William Poythress to Robert Birchett. The house and land had been
willed to William Poythress by Peter Poythress that was sold unto Walter
Munnery and Nathanial Tatum. Signed by William Poythress. The witnesses were
Edward Marks, Nathaniel Mackay and Boswell Becking.
On September 14, 1790, in Prince George County, Robert Birchett, tobacco
inspector, to James Sturdivant, tobacco picker, for £150, paid to James
Sturdivant, Jr., land purchased by Robert Birchett from William Poythress,
Jr., bounded by the Reedy branch and John Hunnicutt, 333½ acres. No
witnesses.
On February 25, 1791, in Prince George County, William Poythress, of Prince
George County, son of Peter Poythress, late of said county (deceased) to
Christopher McConnice, of the Town of Petersburg, a parcel of land lying in
Petersburg heretofore called Blandford and distinguished on the plot or plan
of the town as lot #52. Also, all the low grounds, on the Appomattox River,
lying between lot #52 and lot #53, to the boundary lines of lot #54, to
Donald and Frazer, Merchants, in the town. The witnesses, George Marable,
Thomas Gardinor and Hamilton Burge. On February 25, 1791, in Prince George
County, the Commonwealth of Virginia to Peter Epes and Pleasant Cocke,
whereas, William Poythress, son of Peter Poythress, deceased, to Christopher
McConnice, land and house in Blandford Town of Petersburg, William
Poythress, by the death of his father, Peter, to whom he was heir-at-law,
the above (Epes and Cocke) were instructed to determine if Elizabeth
Poythress, wife of Peter, surrendered her dower rights. On May 9, 1792, in
Prince George County, Peter Epes and Pleasant Cocke to receive
relinquishment of dower from Elizabeth, wife of William Poythress, in his
sale of land to Christopher McConnice, February 25, 1791, of lot #52 in
Blandford.
On May 9, 1792, in Prince George County, William Poythress, of Martin's
Brandon parish, in Prince George County, to James Cureton, of the same
parish and county, 102¼ acres (otherwise undescribed).
On May 9, 1792, in Prince George County, James Cureton, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County to William Poythress, of the same parish and
county, 80½ acres (otherwise undescribed). (Note for above: it appears that
William Poythress and James Cureton were in effect swapping pieces of land
and perhaps the identical sum of money changing hands was to "establish"
that the transaction involved separate purchases).
In 1797, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on (400 + 387 + 225 + 100 =) 1,112 acres.
In 1798, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on (400 + 387 + 225 + 100 =) 1,112 acres.
In 1799, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on (400 + 387 + 225 + 100 =) 1,112 acres.
In 1800, in Prince George County, land taxes were paid by William Poythress,
on (400 + 387 + 225 + 100 =) 1,112 acres.
On September 6, 1800, in Prince George County, Surveyor's record, surveyed
for William Poythress, 212 acres, being part of the Branchester tract, and
sold by him to Captain Nathaniel Colley, next to James Cureton, on old Court
House Road, near Bland's Swamp. Robert Tunbull was the County Surveyor.

Adjoining Property
On June 21, 1787, in Sussex County, James Cureton, of Mecklenburg County, to
William Cureton, of Prince George County, 183 acres, which James Cureton had
purchased from Haddon Parham and John Biggins, adjoining Frederick Smith,
the Indian Swamp, Poythress, Branch Mitchell and Thomas Weekes. The
witnesses, Peter Williams, Hambleton Burge, John Redding, Thomas Mitchell
and Branch Mitchell.
On June 25, 1787, in Sussex County, Hadden Parham, of Sussex County, and
John Biggins, and his wife, Molly, of Prince George County, to James
Curaton, of Northampton County, North Carolina. Edward Smith, of Sussex
County, and Daniel Gurr, of Prince George County, by their deed of trust
July 2, 1784, appointed said Haddon Parham and John Biggins trustees,
placing in their trust land, negroes, and other articles, including 183
acres on the north side of the Indian Swamp, all to secure the payment of
£381, 16 shillings, 2 pence, specie to the said James Cureton. Now said
Cureton has become the purchaser of the said 183 acres for £70 specie. Said
183 acres was where Edward Smith now resides, adjoining Frederick Smith, the
Indian Swamp, Poythress, Branch Mitchell and Thomas Weekes. The witnesses
were Abraham Parham, Jr., William Niblet, Reaps Mitchell, and McDuel
Anderson.
In September, 1787, in Sussex County, Haddon Parham, of Albemarle parish,
Sussex County, to William Call, Jr., of Prince George County, 384 acres, on
the south side of the Indian Swamp, in 2 tracts; 1 of 184 acres, adjoining
William Poythress, the Indian Swamp, said Haddon Parham, John Leath, Joel
Hall, Matthew Parham and Charles Raines; 1 of 200 acres which said Haddon
Parham bought from Matthew Parham, in 1787, adjoining Joel Hall, John Leath,
Haddon Parham, Charles Raines, the road leading to Halls Tavern. The
witnesses were omitted.
On December 20, 1787, in Sussex County, William Call, Jr., and his wife,
Helen, of Prince George County, to Reaps Mitchell, of the same, 384 acres,
which William Call purchased from Haddon Parham, on the south side of the
Indian Swamp, adjoining Charles Raines, the road leading to Hall's Tavern,
Joe Hall, John Leath and William Poythress. The witnesses were Briggs Rives,
Thomas Young and Timothy Rives.
On February 5, 1789, in Sussex County, Frederick Batts of Sussex County, to
Reapps Mitchell, of the same, 184 acres, adjoining Raines, the Indian Swamp,
Mitchell, Warriocker Branch, the road, Hall, Leath and William Poythress.
Also signed by Susanna Mitchell. The witnesses were Charles Raines, Robin
Mitchell and Polly Redding. A note indicates "see page 714 in succeeding
book for acknowledgment of feme."
On March 17, 1790, in Sussex County, Stith Parham and his wife, Patty, of
Albemarle parish, in Sussex County, to William Peters, of the same, 296
acres, on the north side of the Nottoway River, adjoining Stith Parham, Sr.,
Robert Parham, Abram Parham, John Leath, Frederick Battes and William
Poythress. The witnesses were William Burge, Archelaus Carlos and Abram
Haddon. A note indicated: "sent to Thos. Eloridge."
On August 15, 1791, in Prince George County, James Cureton and Betsy, his
wife, to John Baird, of Prince George County, Merchant, for £900, a lot in
Blandford of 15 acres, being the same lot which said John Baird and Charles
Duncan as executors of Robert Boyd, deceased, with assent of William Mayo,
executor of Peter Poythress, deceased, and Elizabeth Poythress, widow and
relict of said Peter, conveyed to James Cureton. The witnesses, Luke
Wheeler, William Poythress, Jr., and Joseph Weisiger.
On June 7, 1792, in Sussex County, Branch Mitchell and his wife, Elizabeth,
of Albemarle parish, in Sussex County, to William Cureton of Bristol parish,
in Prince George County, 40 acres, adjoining Leather Coat Branch, William
Poythress, the said Mitchell, William Courton and Thomas Weeks. The
witnesses, Benjamin Mason, Frederick Smith, William Cotton and William
Smith.
On September 21, 1798, in Prince George County, Surveyor's record, surveyed
for James Cureton, 1,033 acres whereon he lived, bounded by Edward Marks,
the Blackwater Swamp, Marvin Warnock, John Watts, William Poythress, William
Brown's estate and Richard Williams. Robert Turnbull was the County
Surveyor.

Pertinent Property
On February 12, 1792, in Sussex County, Allen Cain, of Sussex County, to
Winfield Mason of Dinwiddie County, 96 acres, which was part of land granted
to Thomas Hunt, deceased, who gave it to his son, Thomas Hunt, who sold it
to John Rivers, deceased, and by him to Judkins Hunt and by him to Joel
Wilkinson and by him to Allen Cain, on the north side of Harrys Swamp,
adjoining William Rivers, Jr., Mary Poyther, James Lewis, Sr., and Winfield
Mason. The witnesses were Littlebeary Carter, William Dwyer, Jr., and Thomas
Yergin.

Family Estates
On October 10, 1786, in Prince George County, the division of the estate of
Richard Bland, deceased. Richard Bland, Ann Poythress Morrison, Elizabeth
Blair Bland, and Mary Bland, widow and relict of Richard Bland, deceased,
received slaves, household furniture, chariot and four horses. Richard
Bland, the younger, received half of the plantation and half of the stock of
cattle, sheep and hogs, and a negro boy, John Wilson, specifically devised
by the Will of the deceased. The estate was divided by Edmund Ruffin, Jr.,
William Green and William Poythress. At the courthouse in Prince George
County, on March 17, 1787, the foregoing division of the estate of Richard
Bland, deceased, was recorded.
On August 2, 1791, in Prince George County, Gentlemen: As I conceive it more
consistent with my interests to renounce the Will of my deceased husband and
to claim the benefit of my dower in his estate I beg leave to notify you of
this my desire and humbly hope that your worships in your judicial capacity
at our next court will make such order as you in your wisdom shall seem
consistent with law and my interest. I am with due respect your worshipful
most obedient servant. Ann P. Morrison. The witnesses were William
Poythress, Jr., and George Ruffin.
This letter of renunciation of Ann P. Morrison to any interest in her
deceased husband's Will was presented into court and proved by the Oaths of
William Poythress, Jr., and George Ruffin, the witnesses.

William Poythress' Will
On May 15, 1810, in Prince George County, pursuant to an Order of the court
and by direction of John Batte, John H. Peterson and Peter Epes, I surveyed
the estate of William Poythress, deceased, on old courthouse road. William
Poythress' land, called "Branchester" and Simmons branch. The plat shows 200
acres to Patrick Poythress, 313 acres to William Poythress, 50 acres to
Joshua Poythress, 300 acres to Thomas Poythress. Robert Turnbull was the
County Surveyor.
In August, 1811, in the Prince George County court, the Will of William
Poythress was proved. In December, 1811, the Will of William Poythress was
further proved by Sarah Stiles.		01/15/2006 4:26:11
Re: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew Hundred, 4th GenerationMichael TutorDeloris,

I have not seen Joshua documented in the Poythress family before Captain
Francis Poythress. Maybe Maynard, Barbara or Diana might have some idea.

I have seen some say that Joseph and Joshua were interchangeable as Mary and
Polly or Sarah and Sally. As for the Poythress family, I have to wonder if
the first clerks did not confuse their abbreviations for Joseph and Joshua
and left us with the mess in the Flowerdew Plantation deeds....Mike



----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew
Hundred, 4th Generation


> Michael, new thought: Do I recall that "somewhere" I have read that
> Francis Poythress I and/or his wife Mary, had a "Joshua" as an ancestor;
> I have always wondered if there was a possibility if this is where the
> name "Joshua" originated. I have never found it, previous to the Joshua
> Wynne in America, anywhere in the Wynne line. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:37 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew
> Hundred, 4th Generation
>
> The Fourth Generation: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I),
> of
> Flowerdew Hundred
> R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress
> [213 William Poythress]
>
> Family
> William Poythress, of Flowerdew Hundred, the son of Joshua Poythress,
> was
> born in the 1720s.
>
> Inheritance
> On April 8, 1741, the Will of William's father, Joshua Poythress, of
> Flowerdew Hundred, was proved by Richard Bland and Ann Bland. Joshua (I)
>
> appointed his brothers, William and Robert Poythress, and his friends
> and
> relations, Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress and John Woodlief, to divide
> the
> estate. He appointed his brother, Robert Poythress, and his cousin,
> Thomas
> Poythress, to be executors of his Will. He gave to his sons Joshua and
> William Poythress the land he lived on, that he bought from Mrs.
> Elizabeth
> Duke and Captain John Hardyman, to be equally divided. He also gave them
> his
> land on the Nottaway River, in Surry County, to be equally divided
> between
> them. He gave his son, Littlebury, 20 shillings, and asked his sons,
> Joshua
> and William, to keep him during his lifetime. All of the rest of his
> estate
> was to be equally divided between his wife and five children, Joshua,
> William, Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress and Mary Poythress.
>
> On April 8, 1741, in Prince George County, the last Will and testament
> of
> Joshua Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert Poythress
> and
> Thomas Poythress, his executors, who made oath thereto and it being
> proved
> by the oath of Richard Bland, Gentleman, and, Ann Bland, two of the
> witnesses thereto who also made oath that they saw Christian Poythress
> subscribe the said Will, a witness was ordered to be recorded and on the
>
> motion of the said Robert Poythress and their giving Bond and Security
> according to law, certificate was granted them for obtaining a probate
> of
> the said Will in due form. Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress,
> executors,
> of the last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, with
> Richard
> Bland and William Poythress, Gentlemen, their Securities entered into
> Bond
> in the sum of £5,000 current money payable to Robert Bolling with
> condition
> for their faithful executorship and thereby acknowledge the same in
> court.
> It was ordered that Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors, of
> the
> last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, present the said
> deed
> and its estate to the next court.
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Visit www.poythress.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
>
>
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> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>		01/15/2006 4:42:28
Sergeant Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress and Mary Peterson, 5th GenerationMichael TutorThe Fifth Generation: Frances Poythress, Sergeant, son of Francis Poythress
and Mary Peterson
Family
Francis Poythress was born about 1760, in Amelia County, the son of Francis
Poythress and Mary Peterson. Francis died before November 11, 1785, at the
age of 24. His sister, Mary Peterson Poythress, was named after their
mother, Mary Peterson. Mary married Henry Isham Randolph who died in Fayette
County, Tennessee. Francis' father, in the claim below, was addressed as
Francis Poythress, the Elder, possibly indicating that there were at least
three Francis Poythresses known in the area.

Professional Life
In Hanover County, Virginia Revolutionary War Public Claims, Thursday, July
4, 1782, claims against the United States by certificates dated August,
1780, to June, 1782: Elisha White, certified by John Pierce for 48 days in
executing instructions from the executive of this state in procuring
supplies for the use of the army during the siege of York £24; by Francis
Poythress, Sergeant, for diet for 4 men, 5 shillings; by Daniel Bates,
Ensign, for diets for a sick soldier, 12 days, 15 shillings; by Joseph
Harrison, Ensign, for diet, 1 day for 12 men, 15 shillings.
Sergeant Francis Poythress, Army. Certificate, (1) John Watts, Captain, (2)
Edward Bland and Peter Epes as to heir. Order to deliver bounty warrant,
Henry Randolph, Voucher 1786, Prince George County. We do hereby certify
that Mary Randolph is the only surviving child of Francis Poythress, the
Elder, and sister to the within named Sergeant Francis Poythress. Given
under our hands this November 11, 1785. Edward Bland and Peter Epes. Francis
Poythress was appointed a corporal in the 1st Regiment Light ----- in
August, 1779, and promoted to a Sergeant in April, 1781, and continued as
such to the end of the War. John Watts, Captain, 1st Regiment, L. Dragoons.
Certified that the above certificate was in Captain Watts' own hand.
Blanford, February 4, 1784. Edmund B. Lucy. June 22, 1786, Sir, Be pleased
to deliver to Mr. ------- the land Warrant which Francis Poythress is
entitled to. To Henry Randolph, the Commissioner of the Land Office.

Will of Francis Poythress' Father
In Dinwiddie County, the Will of Francis Poythress, dated December 10, 1796.
I give my loving wife all my estate of every kind that I do possess
reserving unto my daughter, Mary Peterson Randolph, which I give five
shillings which said sum I give unto my daughter to her and her heirs
forever. Whereas there was a marriage contract between my wife and myself
and whereas the true intent and meaning of the said writing was that my said
wife was to enjoy and have the full and free disposal of all the estate of
every kind that came by her without the let or hindrance of me and my heirs.
Now if there should be any deficiencies in the said writing so as to entitle
my heirs to any of the property. The ------- my wife, my will and desires
and I do hereby revoke all such claim and desire that my wife and her heirs
should enjoy all the estate that came by her without the --- ------- --- or
molestation of my heirs in witness where so I have hence unto set my hand
and seal this December 10, 1796. Francis Poythress. The witnesses were
Reubin Wilkinson and Robert Reese.		01/15/2006 12:02:33
Josiah Portress of PetersburgCrystalhttp://collections.ic.gc.ca/blackloyalists/documents/official/black_loyalist_directory.htm
The Book Of Negroes

Presented online for the first time, the full text of the list of blacks evacuated from New York at the end of the war.
Black Loyalist Directory(book one)
Ship Sovereign bound for St. John's River William Stewart, Master


George Black, 40, stout fellow, (Jere Ketcham). Formerly slave to Josiah Portress, Petersburg, Virginia; left him 4 years past. GBC.

Betsey Black, 35, ordinary wench, (Jere Ketcham). Formerly slave to Josiah Portress, Petersburg, Virginia; left him 4 years past. GBC.

William Black, 14, fine boy, (Jere Ketcham). Formerly slave to Josiah Portress, Petersburg, Virginia; left him 4 years past.




*****I am assuming that this is the kickoff to the Liberian Movement, there are no dates written on the pages but looking at the first page, it's along the lines of the Revolutionary War and just prior to Liberia.		01/15/2006 12:42:27
"Peachy, Joshua b. 1588, et al"John M. PoythressDeloris:

I found, in my notes, what I was thinking about. There was an entry
dated May 30, 1999 on genforum.genealogy.com/wynne posted by Tammy
Saphiloff in reply to:
RE: JANE POYTHRESS/1634-1676 by Eldon May which stated: "Frances(is)
POYTHRESS, (father of Jane POYTHRESS)--his parents are Joshua POYTHRESS
b. 1588 m. Peachy b. 1592. All/Most of this information can be found
under Jamestown, VA websites. You folks check it out."

Deloris..this piece of garbage is on every freebie website in
existence. I suspect someone posted it erroneously and every other
copier in the world picked it up.

I spent almost a year emailing each and every poster of this for some
shred of documentation; each and every one (who bothered to answer) said
they found it on the net..which, of course, means to them it was
handed down at Mt. Sinai.which is what youll get on the internet if
you are naïve enough to accept it. So, bottom line we folks have
checked it out and its meaningless.

Maynard		01/16/2006 1:20:46
RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew Hundred, 4th GenerationJohn M. PoythressOops, I'm sure that Sandra J. Macdonald is a world class genealogist.
She'd have to be to have Francis born in
1614 when we have the baptismal record of 1609. Gee,
we should all be so brilliant.

MP

-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:36 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation

Oops, here is another one: Found under Family/Tree Maker.com: "Francis
Poythress (son of Joshua Poythress and Peachy) was born Abt. 1614 in
London Middlesex, England, and died 1661 in Charles City Va. He married
Mary Frances Solomon on Abt. 1629 in Jamestown, VA." It was posted by a
Sandra J. Macdonald. And was dated 8/27/02.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:42 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation

Deloris,

I have not seen Joshua documented in the Poythress family before Captain

Francis Poythress. Maybe Maynard, Barbara or Diana might have some idea.

I have seen some say that Joseph and Joshua were interchangeable as Mary
and
Polly or Sarah and Sally. As for the Poythress family, I have to wonder
if
the first clerks did not confuse their abbreviations for Joseph and
Joshua
and left us with the mess in the Flowerdew Plantation deeds....Mike



----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
Flowerdew
Hundred, 4th Generation


> Michael, new thought: Do I recall that "somewhere" I have read that
> Francis Poythress I and/or his wife Mary, had a "Joshua" as an
ancestor;
> I have always wondered if there was a possibility if this is where the
> name "Joshua" originated. I have never found it, previous to the
Joshua
> Wynne in America, anywhere in the Wynne line. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:37 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew
> Hundred, 4th Generation
>
> The Fourth Generation: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I),
> of
> Flowerdew Hundred
> R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress
> [213 William Poythress]
>
> Family
> William Poythress, of Flowerdew Hundred, the son of Joshua Poythress,
> was
> born in the 1720s.
>
> Inheritance
> On April 8, 1741, the Will of William's father, Joshua Poythress, of
> Flowerdew Hundred, was proved by Richard Bland and Ann Bland. Joshua
(I)
>
> appointed his brothers, William and Robert Poythress, and his friends
> and
> relations, Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress and John Woodlief, to
divide
> the
> estate. He appointed his brother, Robert Poythress, and his cousin,
> Thomas
> Poythress, to be executors of his Will. He gave to his sons Joshua and
> William Poythress the land he lived on, that he bought from Mrs.
> Elizabeth
> Duke and Captain John Hardyman, to be equally divided. He also gave
them
> his
> land on the Nottaway River, in Surry County, to be equally divided
> between
> them. He gave his son, Littlebury, 20 shillings, and asked his sons,
> Joshua
> and William, to keep him during his lifetime. All of the rest of his
> estate
> was to be equally divided between his wife and five children, Joshua,
> William, Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress and Mary Poythress.
>
> On April 8, 1741, in Prince George County, the last Will and testament
> of
> Joshua Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert
Poythress
> and
> Thomas Poythress, his executors, who made oath thereto and it being
> proved
> by the oath of Richard Bland, Gentleman, and, Ann Bland, two of the
> witnesses thereto who also made oath that they saw Christian Poythress
> subscribe the said Will, a witness was ordered to be recorded and on
the
>
> motion of the said Robert Poythress and their giving Bond and Security
> according to law, certificate was granted them for obtaining a probate
> of
> the said Will in due form. Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress,
> executors,
> of the last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, with
> Richard
> Bland and William Poythress, Gentlemen, their Securities entered into
> Bond
> in the sum of £5,000 current money payable to Robert Bolling with
> condition
> for their faithful executorship and thereby acknowledge the same in
> court.
> It was ordered that Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors,
of
> the
> last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, present the
said
> deed
> and its estate to the next court.
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Visit www.poythress.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
>
>
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www.poythress.net		01/16/2006 1:24:10
RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew Hundred, 4th GenerationDeloris RileyJohn, don't make fun--maybe, just maybe, there is "other" info out
there; maybe there is more than one Francis Poythress. I have seen
Poythress info on your web site that I, too, found "interesting".
Deloris Wynne-Riley

-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:24 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation

Oops, I'm sure that Sandra J. Macdonald is a world class genealogist.
She'd have to be to have Francis born in
1614 when we have the baptismal record of 1609. Gee,
we should all be so brilliant.

MP

-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:36 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation

Oops, here is another one: Found under Family/Tree Maker.com: "Francis
Poythress (son of Joshua Poythress and Peachy) was born Abt. 1614 in
London Middlesex, England, and died 1661 in Charles City Va. He married
Mary Frances Solomon on Abt. 1629 in Jamestown, VA." It was posted by a
Sandra J. Macdonald. And was dated 8/27/02.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:42 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation

Deloris,

I have not seen Joshua documented in the Poythress family before Captain

Francis Poythress. Maybe Maynard, Barbara or Diana might have some idea.

I have seen some say that Joseph and Joshua were interchangeable as Mary
and
Polly or Sarah and Sally. As for the Poythress family, I have to wonder
if
the first clerks did not confuse their abbreviations for Joseph and
Joshua
and left us with the mess in the Flowerdew Plantation deeds....Mike



----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
Flowerdew
Hundred, 4th Generation


> Michael, new thought: Do I recall that "somewhere" I have read that
> Francis Poythress I and/or his wife Mary, had a "Joshua" as an
ancestor;
> I have always wondered if there was a possibility if this is where the
> name "Joshua" originated. I have never found it, previous to the
Joshua
> Wynne in America, anywhere in the Wynne line. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:37 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew
> Hundred, 4th Generation
>
> The Fourth Generation: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I),
> of
> Flowerdew Hundred
> R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress
> [213 William Poythress]
>
> Family
> William Poythress, of Flowerdew Hundred, the son of Joshua Poythress,
> was
> born in the 1720s.
>
> Inheritance
> On April 8, 1741, the Will of William's father, Joshua Poythress, of
> Flowerdew Hundred, was proved by Richard Bland and Ann Bland. Joshua
(I)
>
> appointed his brothers, William and Robert Poythress, and his friends
> and
> relations, Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress and John Woodlief, to
divide
> the
> estate. He appointed his brother, Robert Poythress, and his cousin,
> Thomas
> Poythress, to be executors of his Will. He gave to his sons Joshua and
> William Poythress the land he lived on, that he bought from Mrs.
> Elizabeth
> Duke and Captain John Hardyman, to be equally divided. He also gave
them
> his
> land on the Nottaway River, in Surry County, to be equally divided
> between
> them. He gave his son, Littlebury, 20 shillings, and asked his sons,
> Joshua
> and William, to keep him during his lifetime. All of the rest of his
> estate
> was to be equally divided between his wife and five children, Joshua,
> William, Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress and Mary Poythress.
>
> On April 8, 1741, in Prince George County, the last Will and testament
> of
> Joshua Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert
Poythress
> and
> Thomas Poythress, his executors, who made oath thereto and it being
> proved
> by the oath of Richard Bland, Gentleman, and, Ann Bland, two of the
> witnesses thereto who also made oath that they saw Christian Poythress
> subscribe the said Will, a witness was ordered to be recorded and on
the
>
> motion of the said Robert Poythress and their giving Bond and Security
> according to law, certificate was granted them for obtaining a probate
> of
> the said Will in due form. Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress,
> executors,
> of the last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, with
> Richard
> Bland and William Poythress, Gentlemen, their Securities entered into
> Bond
> in the sum of £5,000 current money payable to Robert Bolling with
> condition
> for their faithful executorship and thereby acknowledge the same in
> court.
> It was ordered that Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors,
of
> the
> last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, present the
said
> deed
> and its estate to the next court.
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Visit www.poythress.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
>
>
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> www.poythress.net
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www.poythress.net		01/16/2006 1:48:32
Re: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew Hundred, 4th GenerationMichael TutorThank you. I have about four more Francis Poythress men to post. I am not at
all happy with the results but I am going to post them with the hope that
someone else can separate the individuals' lives. According to Batte, one of
them died prior to 1729. I believe that two more of them died within
approximately two years of each other, one before March, 1738 and one after
August 15, 1739. Finally, there is the preacher, probably Maynard's favorite
tease.

Once these are posted, we can all have at the Thomas Poythress line....Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew
Hundred, 4th Generation


> Michael, thank you so much for the phenomenal amount of work you've done
> compiling these messages!
>
> I too have not seen Joshua documented in the Poythress family (or in the
> Poytress family in England, either, to the extent that our English
> correspondents have shared info with us thru the years) before Captain
> Francis Poythress. And my understanding, too, is that abbreviating both
> Joseph & Joshua as "Jos" has caused a lot of mess.
> Barbara
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>		01/16/2006 3:32:08
Re: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew Hundred, 4th GenerationMichael TutorDeloris,

Captain Francis Poythress was christened at Newent, in Gloucestershire, on
July 12, 1609, the son of John Poythris. I am not sure if we have names of
any of his brothers or sisters listed anywhere on the website.....Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:48 PM
Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew
Hundred, 4th Generation


> John, don't make fun--maybe, just maybe, there is "other" info out
> there; maybe there is more than one Francis Poythress. I have seen
> Poythress info on your web site that I, too, found "interesting".
> Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:24 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
> Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation
>
> Oops, I'm sure that Sandra J. Macdonald is a world class genealogist.
> She'd have to be to have Francis born in
> 1614 when we have the baptismal record of 1609. Gee,
> we should all be so brilliant.
>
> MP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:36 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
> Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation
>
> Oops, here is another one: Found under Family/Tree Maker.com: "Francis
> Poythress (son of Joshua Poythress and Peachy) was born Abt. 1614 in
> London Middlesex, England, and died 1661 in Charles City Va. He married
> Mary Frances Solomon on Abt. 1629 in Jamestown, VA." It was posted by a
> Sandra J. Macdonald. And was dated 8/27/02.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:42 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
> Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation
>
> Deloris,
>
> I have not seen Joshua documented in the Poythress family before Captain
>
> Francis Poythress. Maybe Maynard, Barbara or Diana might have some idea.
>
> I have seen some say that Joseph and Joshua were interchangeable as Mary
> and
> Polly or Sarah and Sally. As for the Poythress family, I have to wonder
> if
> the first clerks did not confuse their abbreviations for Joseph and
> Joshua
> and left us with the mess in the Flowerdew Plantation deeds....Mike
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deloris Riley"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:02 AM
> Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
> Flowerdew
> Hundred, 4th Generation
>
>
>> Michael, new thought: Do I recall that "somewhere" I have read that
>> Francis Poythress I and/or his wife Mary, had a "Joshua" as an
> ancestor;
>> I have always wondered if there was a possibility if this is where the
>> name "Joshua" originated. I have never found it, previous to the
> Joshua
>> Wynne in America, anywhere in the Wynne line. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:37 AM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew
>> Hundred, 4th Generation
>>
>> The Fourth Generation: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I),
>> of
>> Flowerdew Hundred
>> R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress
>> [213 William Poythress]
>>
>> Family
>> William Poythress, of Flowerdew Hundred, the son of Joshua Poythress,
>> was
>> born in the 1720s.
>>
>> Inheritance
>> On April 8, 1741, the Will of William's father, Joshua Poythress, of
>> Flowerdew Hundred, was proved by Richard Bland and Ann Bland. Joshua
> (I)
>>
>> appointed his brothers, William and Robert Poythress, and his friends
>> and
>> relations, Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress and John Woodlief, to
> divide
>> the
>> estate. He appointed his brother, Robert Poythress, and his cousin,
>> Thomas
>> Poythress, to be executors of his Will. He gave to his sons Joshua and
>> William Poythress the land he lived on, that he bought from Mrs.
>> Elizabeth
>> Duke and Captain John Hardyman, to be equally divided. He also gave
> them
>> his
>> land on the Nottaway River, in Surry County, to be equally divided
>> between
>> them. He gave his son, Littlebury, 20 shillings, and asked his sons,
>> Joshua
>> and William, to keep him during his lifetime. All of the rest of his
>> estate
>> was to be equally divided between his wife and five children, Joshua,
>> William, Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress and Mary Poythress.
>>
>> On April 8, 1741, in Prince George County, the last Will and testament
>> of
>> Joshua Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert
> Poythress
>> and
>> Thomas Poythress, his executors, who made oath thereto and it being
>> proved
>> by the oath of Richard Bland, Gentleman, and, Ann Bland, two of the
>> witnesses thereto who also made oath that they saw Christian Poythress
>> subscribe the said Will, a witness was ordered to be recorded and on
> the
>>
>> motion of the said Robert Poythress and their giving Bond and Security
>> according to law, certificate was granted them for obtaining a probate
>> of
>> the said Will in due form. Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress,
>> executors,
>> of the last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, with
>> Richard
>> Bland and William Poythress, Gentlemen, their Securities entered into
>> Bond
>> in the sum of £5,000 current money payable to Robert Bolling with
>> condition
>> for their faithful executorship and thereby acknowledge the same in
>> court.
>> It was ordered that Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors,
> of
>> the
>> last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, present the
> said
>> deed
>> and its estate to the next court.
>>
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> Visit www.poythress.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>> www.poythress.net
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more about
> Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>		01/16/2006 3:37:53
Re: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew Hundred, 4th GenerationBarbara P. NealMichael, thank you so much for the phenomenal amount of work you've done
compiling these messages!

I too have not seen Joshua documented in the Poythress family (or in the
Poytress family in England, either, to the extent that our English
correspondents have shared info with us thru the years) before Captain
Francis Poythress. And my understanding, too, is that abbreviating both
Joseph & Joshua as "Jos" has caused a lot of mess.
Barbara



01/16/2006 8:42:21
RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew Hundred, 4th GenerationDeloris RileyI found, in my notes, what I was thinking about. There was an entry
dated May 30, 1999 on genforum.genealogy.com/wynne posted by Tammy
Saphiloff in reply to:
RE: JANE POYTHRESS/1634-1676 by Eldon May which stated: "Frances(is)
POYTHRESS, (father of Jane POYTHRESS)--his parents are Joshua POYTHRESS
b. 1588 m. Peachy b. 1592. All/Most of this information can be found
under Jamestown, VA websites. You folks check it out."

Let me know what you think. Deloris Wynne-Riley

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:42 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation

Deloris,

I have not seen Joshua documented in the Poythress family before Captain

Francis Poythress. Maybe Maynard, Barbara or Diana might have some idea.

I have seen some say that Joseph and Joshua were interchangeable as Mary
and
Polly or Sarah and Sally. As for the Poythress family, I have to wonder
if
the first clerks did not confuse their abbreviations for Joseph and
Joshua
and left us with the mess in the Flowerdew Plantation deeds....Mike



----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
Flowerdew
Hundred, 4th Generation


> Michael, new thought: Do I recall that "somewhere" I have read that
> Francis Poythress I and/or his wife Mary, had a "Joshua" as an
ancestor;
> I have always wondered if there was a possibility if this is where the
> name "Joshua" originated. I have never found it, previous to the
Joshua
> Wynne in America, anywhere in the Wynne line. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:37 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew
> Hundred, 4th Generation
>
> The Fourth Generation: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I),
> of
> Flowerdew Hundred
> R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress
> [213 William Poythress]
>
> Family
> William Poythress, of Flowerdew Hundred, the son of Joshua Poythress,
> was
> born in the 1720s.
>
> Inheritance
> On April 8, 1741, the Will of William's father, Joshua Poythress, of
> Flowerdew Hundred, was proved by Richard Bland and Ann Bland. Joshua
(I)
>
> appointed his brothers, William and Robert Poythress, and his friends
> and
> relations, Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress and John Woodlief, to
divide
> the
> estate. He appointed his brother, Robert Poythress, and his cousin,
> Thomas
> Poythress, to be executors of his Will. He gave to his sons Joshua and
> William Poythress the land he lived on, that he bought from Mrs.
> Elizabeth
> Duke and Captain John Hardyman, to be equally divided. He also gave
them
> his
> land on the Nottaway River, in Surry County, to be equally divided
> between
> them. He gave his son, Littlebury, 20 shillings, and asked his sons,
> Joshua
> and William, to keep him during his lifetime. All of the rest of his
> estate
> was to be equally divided between his wife and five children, Joshua,
> William, Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress and Mary Poythress.
>
> On April 8, 1741, in Prince George County, the last Will and testament
> of
> Joshua Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert
Poythress
> and
> Thomas Poythress, his executors, who made oath thereto and it being
> proved
> by the oath of Richard Bland, Gentleman, and, Ann Bland, two of the
> witnesses thereto who also made oath that they saw Christian Poythress
> subscribe the said Will, a witness was ordered to be recorded and on
the
>
> motion of the said Robert Poythress and their giving Bond and Security
> according to law, certificate was granted them for obtaining a probate
> of
> the said Will in due form. Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress,
> executors,
> of the last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, with
> Richard
> Bland and William Poythress, Gentlemen, their Securities entered into
> Bond
> in the sum of £5,000 current money payable to Robert Bolling with
> condition
> for their faithful executorship and thereby acknowledge the same in
> court.
> It was ordered that Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors,
of
> the
> last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, present the
said
> deed
> and its estate to the next court.
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Visit www.poythress.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>



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Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/		01/16/2006 10:31:08
RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew Hundred, 4th GenerationDeloris RileyOops, here is another one: Found under Family/Tree Maker.com: "Francis
Poythress (son of Joshua Poythress and Peachy) was born Abt. 1614 in
London Middlesex, England, and died 1661 in Charles City Va. He married
Mary Frances Solomon on Abt. 1629 in Jamestown, VA." It was posted by a
Sandra J. Macdonald. And was dated 8/27/02.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:42 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation

Deloris,

I have not seen Joshua documented in the Poythress family before Captain

Francis Poythress. Maybe Maynard, Barbara or Diana might have some idea.

I have seen some say that Joseph and Joshua were interchangeable as Mary
and
Polly or Sarah and Sally. As for the Poythress family, I have to wonder
if
the first clerks did not confuse their abbreviations for Joseph and
Joshua
and left us with the mess in the Flowerdew Plantation deeds....Mike



----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
Flowerdew
Hundred, 4th Generation


> Michael, new thought: Do I recall that "somewhere" I have read that
> Francis Poythress I and/or his wife Mary, had a "Joshua" as an
ancestor;
> I have always wondered if there was a possibility if this is where the
> name "Joshua" originated. I have never found it, previous to the
Joshua
> Wynne in America, anywhere in the Wynne line. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:37 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew
> Hundred, 4th Generation
>
> The Fourth Generation: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I),
> of
> Flowerdew Hundred
> R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress
> [213 William Poythress]
>
> Family
> William Poythress, of Flowerdew Hundred, the son of Joshua Poythress,
> was
> born in the 1720s.
>
> Inheritance
> On April 8, 1741, the Will of William's father, Joshua Poythress, of
> Flowerdew Hundred, was proved by Richard Bland and Ann Bland. Joshua
(I)
>
> appointed his brothers, William and Robert Poythress, and his friends
> and
> relations, Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress and John Woodlief, to
divide
> the
> estate. He appointed his brother, Robert Poythress, and his cousin,
> Thomas
> Poythress, to be executors of his Will. He gave to his sons Joshua and
> William Poythress the land he lived on, that he bought from Mrs.
> Elizabeth
> Duke and Captain John Hardyman, to be equally divided. He also gave
them
> his
> land on the Nottaway River, in Surry County, to be equally divided
> between
> them. He gave his son, Littlebury, 20 shillings, and asked his sons,
> Joshua
> and William, to keep him during his lifetime. All of the rest of his
> estate
> was to be equally divided between his wife and five children, Joshua,
> William, Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress and Mary Poythress.
>
> On April 8, 1741, in Prince George County, the last Will and testament
> of
> Joshua Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert
Poythress
> and
> Thomas Poythress, his executors, who made oath thereto and it being
> proved
> by the oath of Richard Bland, Gentleman, and, Ann Bland, two of the
> witnesses thereto who also made oath that they saw Christian Poythress
> subscribe the said Will, a witness was ordered to be recorded and on
the
>
> motion of the said Robert Poythress and their giving Bond and Security
> according to law, certificate was granted them for obtaining a probate
> of
> the said Will in due form. Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress,
> executors,
> of the last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, with
> Richard
> Bland and William Poythress, Gentlemen, their Securities entered into
> Bond
> in the sum of £5,000 current money payable to Robert Bolling with
> condition
> for their faithful executorship and thereby acknowledge the same in
> court.
> It was ordered that Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors,
of
> the
> last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, present the
said
> deed
> and its estate to the next court.
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Visit www.poythress.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>



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Re: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew Hundred, 4th GenerationMichael TutorThe only adult Poythress or adult Francis Poythress in the colonies during
the thirties, forties and part of the fifties was Captain Francis
Poythress....Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew
Hundred, 4th Generation


> Michael, does this mean you are totally discarding this "other" Francis
> Poythress and has it really been proven that we are on the right
> Francis? I'm all for it being so; just thought I'd mention some other's
> view points. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:38 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
> Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation
>
> Deloris,
>
> Captain Francis Poythress was christened at Newent, in Gloucestershire,
> on
> July 12, 1609, the son of John Poythris. I am not sure if we have names
> of
> any of his brothers or sisters listed anywhere on the website.....Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deloris Riley"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:48 PM
> Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
> Flowerdew
> Hundred, 4th Generation
>
>
>> John, don't make fun--maybe, just maybe, there is "other" info out
>> there; maybe there is more than one Francis Poythress. I have seen
>> Poythress info on your web site that I, too, found "interesting".
>> Deloris Wynne-Riley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
>> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:24 PM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
>> Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation
>>
>> Oops, I'm sure that Sandra J. Macdonald is a world class genealogist.
>> She'd have to be to have Francis born in
>> 1614 when we have the baptismal record of 1609. Gee,
>> we should all be so brilliant.
>>
>> MP
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
>> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:36 PM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
>> Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation
>>
>> Oops, here is another one: Found under Family/Tree Maker.com:
> "Francis
>> Poythress (son of Joshua Poythress and Peachy) was born Abt. 1614 in
>> London Middlesex, England, and died 1661 in Charles City Va. He
> married
>> Mary Frances Solomon on Abt. 1629 in Jamestown, VA." It was posted by
> a
>> Sandra J. Macdonald. And was dated 8/27/02.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:42 AM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
>> Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation
>>
>> Deloris,
>>
>> I have not seen Joshua documented in the Poythress family before
> Captain
>>
>> Francis Poythress. Maybe Maynard, Barbara or Diana might have some
> idea.
>>
>> I have seen some say that Joseph and Joshua were interchangeable as
> Mary
>> and
>> Polly or Sarah and Sally. As for the Poythress family, I have to
> wonder
>> if
>> the first clerks did not confuse their abbreviations for Joseph and
>> Joshua
>> and left us with the mess in the Flowerdew Plantation deeds....Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Deloris Riley"
>> To:
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:02 AM
>> Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
>> Flowerdew
>> Hundred, 4th Generation
>>
>>
>>> Michael, new thought: Do I recall that "somewhere" I have read that
>>> Francis Poythress I and/or his wife Mary, had a "Joshua" as an
>> ancestor;
>>> I have always wondered if there was a possibility if this is where
> the
>>> name "Joshua" originated. I have never found it, previous to the
>> Joshua
>>> Wynne in America, anywhere in the Wynne line. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:37 AM
>>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>>> Subject: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew
>>> Hundred, 4th Generation
>>>
>>> The Fourth Generation: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress
> (I),
>>> of
>>> Flowerdew Hundred
>>> R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress
>>> [213 William Poythress]
>>>
>>> Family
>>> William Poythress, of Flowerdew Hundred, the son of Joshua Poythress,
>>> was
>>> born in the 1720s.
>>>
>>> Inheritance
>>> On April 8, 1741, the Will of William's father, Joshua Poythress, of
>>> Flowerdew Hundred, was proved by Richard Bland and Ann Bland. Joshua
>> (I)
>>>
>>> appointed his brothers, William and Robert Poythress, and his friends
>>> and
>>> relations, Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress and John Woodlief, to
>> divide
>>> the
>>> estate. He appointed his brother, Robert Poythress, and his cousin,
>>> Thomas
>>> Poythress, to be executors of his Will. He gave to his sons Joshua
> and
>>> William Poythress the land he lived on, that he bought from Mrs.
>>> Elizabeth
>>> Duke and Captain John Hardyman, to be equally divided. He also gave
>> them
>>> his
>>> land on the Nottaway River, in Surry County, to be equally divided
>>> between
>>> them. He gave his son, Littlebury, 20 shillings, and asked his sons,
>>> Joshua
>>> and William, to keep him during his lifetime. All of the rest of his
>>> estate
>>> was to be equally divided between his wife and five children, Joshua,
>>> William, Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress and Mary Poythress.
>>>
>>> On April 8, 1741, in Prince George County, the last Will and
> testament
>>> of
>>> Joshua Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert
>> Poythress
>>> and
>>> Thomas Poythress, his executors, who made oath thereto and it being
>>> proved
>>> by the oath of Richard Bland, Gentleman, and, Ann Bland, two of the
>>> witnesses thereto who also made oath that they saw Christian
> Poythress
>>> subscribe the said Will, a witness was ordered to be recorded and on
>> the
>>>
>>> motion of the said Robert Poythress and their giving Bond and
> Security
>>> according to law, certificate was granted them for obtaining a
> probate
>>> of
>>> the said Will in due form. Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress,
>>> executors,
>>> of the last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, with
>>> Richard
>>> Bland and William Poythress, Gentlemen, their Securities entered into
>>> Bond
>>> in the sum of £5,000 current money payable to Robert Bolling with
>>> condition
>>> for their faithful executorship and thereby acknowledge the same in
>>> court.
>>> It was ordered that Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors,
>> of
>>> the
>>> last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, present the
>> said
>>> deed
>>> and its estate to the next court.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>>> Visit www.poythress.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>>> www.poythress.net
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more
> about
>> Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>> www.poythress.net
>>
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>> www.poythress.net
>>
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>> www.poythress.net
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
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> www.poythress.net
>
>
>
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>
>		01/17/2006 3:57:25
RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew Hundred, 4th GenerationDeloris RileyMichael, does this mean you are totally discarding this "other" Francis
Poythress and has it really been proven that we are on the right
Francis? I'm all for it being so; just thought I'd mention some other's
view points. Deloris Wynne-Riley

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:38 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation

Deloris,

Captain Francis Poythress was christened at Newent, in Gloucestershire,
on
July 12, 1609, the son of John Poythris. I am not sure if we have names
of
any of his brothers or sisters listed anywhere on the website.....Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "Deloris Riley"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:48 PM
Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
Flowerdew
Hundred, 4th Generation


> John, don't make fun--maybe, just maybe, there is "other" info out
> there; maybe there is more than one Francis Poythress. I have seen
> Poythress info on your web site that I, too, found "interesting".
> Deloris Wynne-Riley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:24 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
> Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation
>
> Oops, I'm sure that Sandra J. Macdonald is a world class genealogist.
> She'd have to be to have Francis born in
> 1614 when we have the baptismal record of 1609. Gee,
> we should all be so brilliant.
>
> MP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:36 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
> Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation
>
> Oops, here is another one: Found under Family/Tree Maker.com:
"Francis
> Poythress (son of Joshua Poythress and Peachy) was born Abt. 1614 in
> London Middlesex, England, and died 1661 in Charles City Va. He
married
> Mary Frances Solomon on Abt. 1629 in Jamestown, VA." It was posted by
a
> Sandra J. Macdonald. And was dated 8/27/02.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 10:42 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
> Flowerdew Hundred, 4th Generation
>
> Deloris,
>
> I have not seen Joshua documented in the Poythress family before
Captain
>
> Francis Poythress. Maybe Maynard, Barbara or Diana might have some
idea.
>
> I have seen some say that Joseph and Joshua were interchangeable as
Mary
> and
> Polly or Sarah and Sally. As for the Poythress family, I have to
wonder
> if
> the first clerks did not confuse their abbreviations for Joseph and
> Joshua
> and left us with the mess in the Flowerdew Plantation deeds....Mike
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deloris Riley"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:02 AM
> Subject: RE: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of
> Flowerdew
> Hundred, 4th Generation
>
>
>> Michael, new thought: Do I recall that "somewhere" I have read that
>> Francis Poythress I and/or his wife Mary, had a "Joshua" as an
> ancestor;
>> I have always wondered if there was a possibility if this is where
the
>> name "Joshua" originated. I have never found it, previous to the
> Joshua
>> Wynne in America, anywhere in the Wynne line. Deloris Wynne-Riley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:37 AM
>> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>> Subject: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress (I), of Flowerdew
>> Hundred, 4th Generation
>>
>> The Fourth Generation: William Poythress, son of Joshua Poythress
(I),
>> of
>> Flowerdew Hundred
>> R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress
>> [213 William Poythress]
>>
>> Family
>> William Poythress, of Flowerdew Hundred, the son of Joshua Poythress,
>> was
>> born in the 1720s.
>>
>> Inheritance
>> On April 8, 1741, the Will of William's father, Joshua Poythress, of
>> Flowerdew Hundred, was proved by Richard Bland and Ann Bland. Joshua
> (I)
>>
>> appointed his brothers, William and Robert Poythress, and his friends
>> and
>> relations, Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress and John Woodlief, to
> divide
>> the
>> estate. He appointed his brother, Robert Poythress, and his cousin,
>> Thomas
>> Poythress, to be executors of his Will. He gave to his sons Joshua
and
>> William Poythress the land he lived on, that he bought from Mrs.
>> Elizabeth
>> Duke and Captain John Hardyman, to be equally divided. He also gave
> them
>> his
>> land on the Nottaway River, in Surry County, to be equally divided
>> between
>> them. He gave his son, Littlebury, 20 shillings, and asked his sons,
>> Joshua
>> and William, to keep him during his lifetime. All of the rest of his
>> estate
>> was to be equally divided between his wife and five children, Joshua,
>> William, Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress and Mary Poythress.
>>
>> On April 8, 1741, in Prince George County, the last Will and
testament
>> of
>> Joshua Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert
> Poythress
>> and
>> Thomas Poythress, his executors, who made oath thereto and it being
>> proved
>> by the oath of Richard Bland, Gentleman, and, Ann Bland, two of the
>> witnesses thereto who also made oath that they saw Christian
Poythress
>> subscribe the said Will, a witness was ordered to be recorded and on
> the
>>
>> motion of the said Robert Poythress and their giving Bond and
Security
>> according to law, certificate was granted them for obtaining a
probate
>> of
>> the said Will in due form. Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress,
>> executors,
>> of the last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, with
>> Richard
>> Bland and William Poythress, Gentlemen, their Securities entered into
>> Bond
>> in the sum of £5,000 current money payable to Robert Bolling with
>> condition
>> for their faithful executorship and thereby acknowledge the same in
>> court.
>> It was ordered that Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, executors,
> of
>> the
>> last Will and testament of Joshua Poythress, deceased, present the
> said
>> deed
>> and its estate to the next court.
>>
>>
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Francis Poythress, Gentleman, son of Captain Francis Poythress and Hannah Ravenscroft, 4th GenerationMichael TutorTwo Francis Poythress men died within two years of each other at the end of
the 1730s. By March, 1738, Hannah Poythress was executrix of one Francis
Poythress, her husband. On August 15, 1739, another Francis Poythress made
an oath in the Prince George County court. Before the end of 1739, this
Francis Poythress had died in St. Andrew's parish, in Brunswick County. This
appears to have been father and son.

The Fourth Generation: Francis Poythress, Gentl., son of Capt. Francis
Poythress and Hannah Ravenscroft
Family
Francis Poythress was born by 1705.

After Francis Poythress' Death (father of Francis Poythress, Gentleman)
In March, 1738, in Prince George County, in the action of trespass in the
case brought by Francis Poythress against Charles Featherstone, the
plaintiff failing to prosecute, the case was dismissed.
In March, 1738, in Prince George County, in the petition of Joshua Poythress
and Francis Poythress against Hannah Poythress, executrix of Francis
Poythress, deceased, the case was continued to the next court.
In May, 1738, in Prince George County, in the petition of Joshua Poythress
and Francis Poythress against Hannah Poythress, executrix of the estate of
Francis Poythress, the petitioners failing to prosecute, the case was
dismissed.
On September 12, 1738, in Prince George County, Hannah Poythress being
summoned as evidence for Peter Wynne in the action of trespass brought
against him by Robert Moody and making oath that she had attended four days
on her motion it was ordered that the said Robert Moody pay her for the same
one hundred pounds of tobacco. On September 13, 1738, in Prince George
County, in the action on the case brought by Theophilus Field, Gentleman,
against Hannah Poythress, the plaintiff failing to prosecute, was dismissed.
On May 9, 1739, in Prince George County, in the suit for debt by Elizabeth
Ravenscroft, assignee of John Ravenscroft, the executor of Thomas
Ravenscroft, deceased, versus Edmond Irby, Peter Robins and Francis
Poythress. Court found for the plaintiff.
On August 14, 1739, in Prince George County, in the action of debts brought
by Elizabeth Ravenscroft assignee of John Ravenscroft, executor of the last
Will and testament of Thomas Ravenscroft, deceased, against Edmund Irby,
Peter Robins and Francis Poythress for £30 current money due by Bond the
defendants being called and failing to appear and the plaintiff making oath
to her Bond which is for £28, 14 shillings and bears date November 11, 1736,
on the motion of her attorney and pursuant to the conditional order of the
last court's judgements was granted and confirmed to her the said plaintiff
against the said defendants and William Eppes, late of this county, for the
aforesaid sum of £28, 14 shillings current money the principal sum mentioned
in the said Bond and the interest due thereon from November 11, 1736, to the
day of payment with the cost of suit and an attorney's fee Als: Exeo.
On December 11, 1739, in Prince George County, Ravenscroft assignee of John
Ravenscroft, deceased, on judgement obtained against Edmund Irby, Peter
Robins, Francis Poythress, and William Eppes; Thomas Eldridge, Jr., one of
the under-Sheriffs of this county, made the above return which was recorded.
(The above was likely the estate of Thomas Ravenscroft).
On September 16, 1740, Robert Ravenscroft to Burwell, 1,000 acres, in
Brunswick County, on the south side of Finney-Wood, adjoining John
Ravenscroft, on Possum Camp branch.
In William Byrd's diary, on July 26, 1741, Byrd noted that the weather was
warm and cloudy and that the wind was from the north. Byrd did not go to
church but put his things in order and wrote several letters. After church,
John Stith and his wife came by and dined. After dinner, John Ravenscroft
came by, as did Mr. Miller and his wife and Mrs. Poythress. In Charles City,
July 1741, there was a suit by Robert Poythress and Robert and Thomas
Poythress, executors of Joshua Poythress versus Benjamin Harrison. Joshua
Poythress had been quite wealthy, for his administrators gave bond at £5,000
current money when his Will was presented in court.
On May 7, 1741, in Brunswick County, upon the petition of Hannah Poythress
and John Ravenscroft, executors, &c., of Francis Poythress, deceased,
against John Smith for £13/9/11 the summon not being returned on the motion
of the petitioners by Clement Read their attorney a new summon was awarded
them against the said defendant returnable to the next court. On August 6,
1741, in Brunswick County, the case was discontinued, being agreed by the
parties upon the petition of Hannah Poythress and John Ravenscroft,
executors, &c., of Francis Poythress, deceased, against John Smith for
£13/9/11 said to be due upon an account. Case was dismissed for want of
prosecution.
On December 3, 1741, in Brunswick County, John Allen, Gentleman, assignee of
John Ravenscroft and Hannah Poythress, executors, &c., of Francis Poythress,
deceased, plaintiff, against William Battersby, defendant, in debt, was
discontinued for want of prosecution.
In 1742, Bath parish was created from western Bristol parish. The early
churches of Bath parish were Sapony (1725-26) and Hatcher's Run (1738-1740),
both in Bristol parish prior to the creation of Bath, and Butterwood (built
before 1762). These served the area that was to become Dinwiddie County.
Sapony Church was in southern Bath, Hatcher's Run in the north, and
Butterwood in the west. Blanford (1734-1737), now in Petersburg, was a
church of Bristol parish.
On March 18, 1761, to Robert Hutchings, 16 acres, in Dinwiddie County,
adjoining Hanna Poythress, John Grant, Abner Grigg and Richard Taylor.
On March 18, 1761, in Dinwiddie County, John Hardy, 96¾ acres, adjoining
Hanna Poythress, John Grant, William Featherstone, William Eppes, James
Merrymoon and Zachary Overby.
On April 20, 1761, in Dinwiddie County, Robert Bolling, 350 acres, on both
sides of Bolling Run, in the counties of Dinwiddie and Prince George, on the
south side of the Appomattox River, adjoining Ravenscroft and Jones, Lewis
Parham, Thomas Goodwin and John Butler's Storehouse.
On September 25, 1762, to Robert Hutchings, 16 acres, in Dinwiddie County,
adjoining Hannah Poythress, John Grant, Abner Grigg and Richard Taylor.

Professional Life
On April 27, 1737, it was ordered that on the Commission of Peace, for
Prince George County, Francis Poythress, Isham Epes, John Hall, Reverend
Ravenscroft, John Peterson and Anthony Pennington be added to the present
Justices. Isham Epes (1700-1760) was married to Amy Goodwyn, the daughter of
Thomas and Mary Goodwyn. John Peterson (c. 1694-1773) was the father of Mary
Peterson (c. 1734-) who married Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress.
On September, 1738, in Prince George County, in the action of debts brought
by John Turner, Mariner, against Francis Poythress, Gentleman, the defendant
by his attorney appeared and on his motion an imparlance was granted him
until the next court.
On September 1738, in Prince George County, in the action of debts brought
by Francis Poythress, Gentleman, against Robert Haddon for £15 current money
due by a personal note dated April 4, 1738, the defendant personally
appeared in court and confessed the said note to be due and on the motion of
plaintiff's attorney, judgement was awarded against the defendant for the
aforesaid sum to be discharged by the payment of seven pounds, ten shillings
of like money the principal of indebtedness of the said note and the
interest due thereon from the last day in July.
On October 10, 1738, in Prince George County, in the action of debts brought
by John Turner, Mariner, against Francis Poythress, Gentleman, for £240
lawful money of Great Britain damage in means of defendant's non payment of
£210 of the clerk's money due by him the defendant having had time until
this court to plead and being now called did not offer anything, in barr or
preclusions of the plaintiff's action, therefore on the motion of the
plaintiff's attorney it is considered by the court that the plaintiff
recover against the defendant his damage aforesaid or so much thereof that
it shall appear he hath sustained by means of the nonpayment to aforesaid,
unless the defendant shall appear at the next court and answer the said
action.
On October 26, 1738, in Prince George County, a court held for proof of
Public Claims and Certifying Propositions and Grievances to the General
Assembly. Present were Francis Poythress, among others, Gentlemen Justices.
On October 26, 1738, in Prince George County, at a court held for laying the
county levy, present were Robert Bolling, William Stark, Francis Poythress,
John Ravenscroft, John Peterson, and Anthony Peniston, Gentleman Justices.
On November 27, 1738, in Prince George County, at a court held at Fitzgerald's,
present, among others, were William Poythress and Francis Poythress,
Gentlemen Justices.
On January 9, 1739, in Prince George County, present were Robert Bolling,
Francis Poythress and John Ravenscroft, Gentlemen, on the petition of John
Wells for an acre of land on the north side of the Nottaway River in this
County belonging to Mark Harwell be summoned to appear at the next court to
show cause if any he has or knows of why the said Petition may not be
granted.
On March 2, 1739, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, was a Justice
of the Peace.
On March 13, 1739, in Prince George County, the court presented Robert
Bolling, William Stark, Theophilus Field, Isham Eppes, Francis Poythress,
John Ravenscroft, now appointed Gentlemen Justices of the court.
On March 13, 1739, in Prince George County, pursuant to the direction of the
Acts of Assembly entitled an Act for the better regulation of the Militia:
Richard Bland, William Poythress, William Harrison, Peter Jones, Francis
Poythress, Isham Eppes, and Joshua Wynne were commissioned officers in the
Militia and took the oaths appointed by the said acts and signed the test.
On April 8, 1739, in Prince George County, the following cases were
presented: Francis Poythress exhibited into court an account against Robert
Green and made oath that £4, 8 shillings and 2 pence half penny the balance
is justly due to him from the said Green without any discounts that he knows
of. Ordered that it was certified on the said accounts...Francis Poythress
exhibited into court an account against Benjamin Lee and made oath that the
29 shillings, 10 pence the balance justly due to him from the said Lee
without any discounts that he knows of. Ordered to be certified on the said
accounts...Francis Poythress exhibited into court an account against Thomas
Frost and made oath that 27 shillings, 11 pence halfpenny the balance is
justly due to him from the said Frost without any discounts that he knows
of. Ordered to be certified on the said accounts...Francis Poythress
exhibited into court an account against George Wilson and made oath that 36
shillings, 11 pence the balance is justly due to him from the said Wilson
without any discounts that he knows of. Ordered to be certified on the said
accounts...Francis Poythress exhibited into court an account against Henry
Royalls and made oath that £3, 16 shillings and a penny the balance is
justly due to him from the said Royalls without any discounts that he knows
of. Ordered to be certified on the said accounts...Francis Poythress
exhibited into court an account against George Hamilton and made oath that
£7, 12 shillings, 9 pence the balance is justly due to him from the said
Hamilton without any discounts that he knows of. Ordered to be certified on
the said accounts...Francis Poythress exhibited into court an account
against George Arthur and made oath that £3, 10 pence the balance is justly
due to him from the said Arthur without any discounts that he knows of.
Ordered to be certified on the said accounts...Francis Poythress exhibited
into court an account against Ann Mallory and made oath that 40 shillings, 6
pence the balance is justly due to him from the said Mallory without any
discounts that he knows of. Ordered to be certified on the said
accounts...Francis Poythress exhibited into court an account against Joseph
Perry and made oath that £4, 17 shillings, 8 pence the balance is justly due
to him from the said Perry without any discounts that he knows of. Ordered
to be certified on the said accounts...Francis Poythress exhibited into
court an account against Nicholas Smith and made oath that £3, 7 shillings
the balance is justly due to him from the said Smith without any discounts
that he knows of. Ordered to be certified on the said accounts...Francis
Poythress exhibited into court an account against John Ramsey and made oath
that 39 shillings, 3 pence and halfpenny the balance is justly due to him
from the said Ramsey without any discounts that he knows of. Ordered to be
certified on the said accounts...Francis Poythress exhibited into court an
account against James Williams and made oath that £4, 12 shillings, 8 pence
the balance is justly due to him from the said Williams without any
discounts that he knows of. Ordered to be certified on the said
accounts...Francis Poythress exhibited into court an account against Henry
Goodall and made oath that 56 shillings, 5 pence the balance is justly due
to him from the said Goodall without any discounts that he knows of. Ordered
to be certified on the said accounts...Francis Poythress exhibited into
court an account against John Slaughter and made oath that £3, 15 shillings,
8 pence the balance is justly due to him from the said Slaughter without any
discounts that he knows of. Ordered to be certified on the said
accounts...Francis Poythress exhibited into court an account against Francis
Hardeman and made oath that £3, 10 shillings the balance is justly due to
him from the said Hardeman without any discounts that he knows of. Ordered
to be certified on the said accounts.
On August 15, 1739, in Prince George County, on the motion of the complaint
of Francis Poythress, Gentleman, it was ordered that William Gibbs, Jr.,
Constable of Bristol parish, be summoned to appear in this court to answer
the same.
On August 27, 1739, in Prince George County, a Commission of Oyer and
Terminer to William Poythress, Francis Poythress, Anthony Peniston, John
Ravenscroft, among others, dated 23rd instant, for trial of Nutty, a negro
woman slave belonging to Lewis Green, now in jail on suspicion of the murder
of Sam, a negro boy, belonging to Burwell Green. Evidence shows that Nutty,
on the 13th of August last, at the house of Lewis Green in Bristol parish
assaulted said Sam with a brick, giving him a mortal wound on the left side
of his head.
On November 13, 1739, in Prince George County, Hannah Stroud, executrix of
John Stroud, deceased, returned an inventory of the estate. Present were
Isham Eppes and Francis Poythress, Gentlemen.
On November 13, 1739, present were Isham Eppes and Francis Poythress,
Gentlemen, the suit by petition brought by Francis Haddon against William
Stuart, the defendant's attorney being absent was continued to the next
court and on the defendant's cost.
In December, 1739, in the Prince George County court, present were Isham
Eppes and Francis Poythress, Gentlemen, the suit by petition brought by
Francis Haddon against William Stuart, the defendant's attorney being absent
was continued to the next court and on the defendant's cost.

Civic Activities
Vestrymen of Bristol parish: Many of these persons served for many years.
Below, only the date of the accession of the new member, without regard to
his colleagues or the duration of his service, is given.
1721 George Archer
1722 John Herbert
1723 Buller Herbert
1724 Drury Bolling
1726 William Poythress
On November 10, 1726, in Bristol parish, on the south side of the James
River, at a Vestry held at the Chapel it was ordered that William Poythress
and Richard Herbert be sworn Vestrymen.
1727 William Herbert
1728 Peter Jones
1729 Theophilus Field
1730 James Munford
1731 Robert Bevill
1733 William Starke
1734 Charles Fisher
1735 David Walker, Francis Poythress, John Bannister
1737 William Hamlin (date of first Vestry at Blandford Church)
1740 Theodoric Bland
1742 Thomas Short, Stephen Dewey...etc."
On May 9, 1738, in Prince George County, John Hall, Gentleman, was appointed
to take the list of tithables below Ward's Creek in Martin's Brandon parish,
June 10th next; John Ravenscroft, Gentleman, to do the same for the part
between Ward's and Powell's Creeks. Anthony Peniston, Gentleman, for the
parish above Powell's Creek; John Peterson, Gentleman, for that part of
Bristol parish within Monksneck Creek and below the road that leads from
Monksneck Bridge to Appomattox Point; Isham Eppes, Gentleman, for that part
without Monksneck Creek and Hatcher's Run, below White Oak and Butterwood
Roads; Francis Poythress, Gentleman, for that part of the parish within
Monksneck Creek and Hatcher's Run and above the road from Monksneck Bridge
to Appomattox Point, and above White Oak and Butterwood Roads, without
Hatcher's Run.
On May 20, 1738, present, among others, were Major William Poythress and
Captain Francis Poythress. It was ordered that Major James Munford, Captain
Francis Poythress, John Banister, Esquire, and William Hamlin, Gentlemen, do
view and agree upon a proper place for building a Chapel on Hatcher's Run
for the convenience of the upper inhabitants of this parish and to report
the proceedings to a Vestry to be held the first Saturday in July next and
that the Churchwardens do advertise for workmen to come in to undertake the
same.
On July 1, 1738, in Bristol parish, on the south side of the James River, at
a Vestry held at the Brick Church on Well's Hill, present, among others,
were Major William Poythress and Captain Francis Poythress. It was ordered
that a Church be built on the north side of Hatcher's Run on the land of
Allen Tye.
On April 8, 1739, in Prince George County, pursuant to the directions of the
Acts of Assembly concerning tithables, one of the various appointments:
Francis Poythress, Gentleman, for that part of the said parish within
Monksneck Creek and Hatcher's Run and above this the Road that leads from
Monksneck to Appomattox Points and above the White Oak and Butterwood Road
within to Hatcher's Run.
On May, 1739, in Prince George County, pursuant to the directions of the
Acts of Assembly concerning tithables, one of the various appointments:
Francis Poythress, Gentleman, for that part of the said parish within
Monksneck Creek and Hatcher's Run and above this the Road that leads from
Monksneck to Appomattox Points and above the White Oak and Butterwood Road
within to Hatcher's Run.
On August 20, 1739, at a Vestry held at the Brick Church on Wells's Hill,
present, among others, was Major William Poythress and Captain Francis
Poythress. It was ordered that Robert Wynne and Joshua Wynne procession from
Monkersneck to Stoney Creek between Monkersneck and the Chapel Road, that
John Poythress and Thomas Twittey procession between Butterwood and Nottoway
River as low as the head of Beaver-pond Creek.
On November 4, 1739, in Prince George County, the county ordered John
Banister and Francis Poythress to build a bridge over Hatcher's Run at
Peterson's Mill. John Banister accompanied William Byrd on the "Journey to
the Land of Eden," in 1733, and Byrd named the Banister River that flows
through present day Halifax County for "his kind Companion of my Travels."
On November 14, 1739, in Prince George County, John Banister and Francis
Poythress, Gentlemen, appointed to agree with workmen to build a bridge over
Hatcher's Run near Mr. Peterson's mill.
On December 10, 1739, at a Vestry held at the Brick Church on Well's Hill,
present, among others, Captain Francis Poythress and Major William
Poythress. It was ordered that Colonel Robert Bolling, Major William
Poythress and Captain William Eppes do appoint a place for building the new
Chapel and that Mr. Ravenscroft undertake to build the same for £134, 10
shillings to be paid in three several payments to be finished by the last of
December, 1741.

Personal Property
On January 4, 1727, in Prince George County, Surveyor's records, to a survey
for Francis Poythress, Jr., on the upper side of the Butterwood Swamp.
Robert Bolling was the surveyor. (This is not the father of Francis
Poythress, the grandson of John Worsham, and this is not Francis Poythress,
the grandson of John Worsham. Francis, Jr., is older than the grandson of
John Worsham and he re-patents his father's land in 1739.)
On September 28, 1728, Francis Poythress, Jr., of Prince George County, 200
acres of new land, on the upper side of Butterwood Swamp, in Prince George
County, at the edge of the Beaver Pond below the mouth of the Governor's
Quarter Branch, joining his father's upper line to his corner. This land was
mentioned in addition to his father's land, that was originally granted on
July 9, 1724, in a later deed dated September 22, 1739.
On November 1, 1728, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, Jr., 2,000
acres on the Butterwood Swamp adjoining his former land. (Older than Francis
in the Worsham Will).
On January 10, 1736, Francis Poythress, was granted 400 acres, in Brunswick
County, on the -th side of the Nottaway River, adjoining Resis Jones.
On December 15, 1736, Francis Poythress, patented 4,000 acres, in Prince
George County, on the north side of Butterwood Swamp including land already
held by him. (The father, not Jr.).
In August, 1738, in Prince George County, John Allen acknowledged his deed
for land, indented and sealed, to Francis Poythress, Gentleman, on whose
motion it was ordered that the said deed be recorded and then also Ruth, the
wife of John Allen, came into court and being first privately examined as
the law directed freely and voluntarily relinquished to the said Francis
Poythress her rights of dower in and to the land and the deed mentioned,
which was likewise ordered to be recorded.
On September 12, 1738, in Prince George County, John Poythress and Charles
Poythress acknowledged their deed for land, indented and sealed, to Francis
Poythress, Gentleman, on whose motion it was ordered that the said deed be
recorded.
On September 22, 1738, in the Virginia Gazette, Francis Poythress advertised
his lost horse. "Strayed away from the subscriber, living in Prince George
County, a large milk and cider colored horse, with a red head, black mane
and tail, branded on the near buttock, WI with a figure 4 at the top, and on
the off buttock, WP; and had a very good bell about his neck. Any person
that will bring the horse to my house on Appomattox River, or give such
intelligence of him, so as he may be had again, shall have a Pistole reward,
paid by Francis Poythress."
On January 27, 1739, in the Brunswick County court, Francis Poythress, to
answer to a Bill of Complaint brought by John Allen.
On September 22, 1739, Francis Poythress, Gentleman, 3,887 acres, in Prince
George County, on the north side of the Butterwood Swamp and the upper side
of Cook's Branch, crossing a branch of White Oak Swamp, to the side of
Fitzgerald's Mill Path, crossing Westbrook's Road, and the head of the
Governor's Branch, adjoining Mr. William Eaton, 200 acres of the said tract
being formerly granted to the said Francis Poythress by patent bearing date
September 28, 1728, 387 acres granted unto his father, Francis Poythress,
deceased, patent bearing date July 9, 1724, and by mesne conveyances the
right and title thereof is become vested in the said Francis Poythress and
the residue thereof never before granted. This deed included 200 acres from
the deed of September 28, 1728, as Francis Poythress, Jr., and included 387
acres from the deed of his father, Captain Francis Poythress, on July 9,
1724.
On September 22, 1739, Francis Poythress, 400 acres, in Prince George
County, on the lower side of the Tommaheton Creek between Lawrence
Richardson and George Wainwright, on Beaverpond branch. The 400 acres was
part of the 3,887 acres of the same date. [September 22, 1739, to Peter
Thomas and William Harper, dated June 5, 1765. Whereas by patent dated
September 22, 1739, granted Francis Poythress, 400 acres, then in Prince
George County, now in Dinwiddie County, on the lower side of Tommaheton
Creek between Lawrence Richardson and George Wainwright, on Beaverpond
branch, and whereas Tally Allen, in whom the land was vested, has failed to
make such cultivation and improvement, Peter Thomas has made humble suit and
has obtained a grant for the same which he has assigned to William Harper.]

As Witness
On February 1, 1728, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, Jr., was a
witness to a deed, between Allan Tye and wife, Mary, to William Anderson.
On August 18, 1729, in Henrico County, the Bond of Robert Bolling, Richard
Kennon and Richard Herbert, Gentlemen, that they will fairly determine the
line in dispute between George Wilson and Thomas Webster, both of Bristol
parish. The line is from Old Town Creek up to the 2nd Falls. The witnesses
were Ann Bolling and Francis Poythress, Jr.

Pertinent Information
On February 13, 1739, in Prince George County, John Ravenscroft, Gentleman,
was appointed to view the bridge over the Nottaway River, called Rayborn's
Bridge and will John Wall, of Brunswick County, Gentleman, to agree with a
workman.

Family Estates
On November 12, 1736, in Amelia County, in the action in the case between
William and Francis Poythress, executors of John Fitzgerald, deceased,
against Charles Clay, etc., last Will and testament of John Fitzgerald. On
April 11, 1738, in Prince George County, in the case of William Poythress
and Francis Poythress, executors of John Fitzgerald, deceased, versus Henry
Wilson. After Wilson was given credit for work done for Fitzgerald, he still
owed money to the estate. Information was given by William Cryer and Drury
Oliver. The audit was examined by J. Munford and Thomas Williams. Plaintiffs
were to recover damages. On May 9, 1738, in Prince George County, in the
suit by Mathew Cabinis and Hannah, his wife, one of the daughters of Thomas
Clay, deceased, against William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors
of John Fitzgerald, deceased, who was administrator of Thomas Clay,
deceased, for certain legacies devised to the said Hannah. Audited by
William Stark, Gentleman, and found that the plaintiff was due £12/14/9. In
June, 1738, Prince George County, on the Fieri Facias awarded Robert
Poythress on his judgment obtained against William Poythress and Francis
Poythress, executors of the last Will and testament of John Fitzgerald,
deceased, Miles Thweatt, one of the under-Sheriffs of this court, made the
above return which was recorded. In June, 1738, in Prince George County, on
the copies of a satisfaciendum award of William Poythress and Francis
Poythress, executors of John Fitzgerald, deceased, on their judgement to
obtain against Henry Wilson, William Eppes, Sheriff of this county, made the
following return. William Eppes, Sheriff, witness recorded. On July 11,
1738, in Prince George County, in the case of Francis Epes versus William
and Francis Poythress, executors of John Fitzgerald, deceased, for debt,
found for the plaintiff. In June, 1738, William Cryer, witness for William
Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of John Fitzgerald, in their suit
versus Henry Wilson, to be paid. On October 10, 1738, in Prince George
County, in the action on the cause brought by William Poythress and Francis
Poythress, executors of the last Will and testament of John Fitzgerald,
defendants against John Brewer for £6, seven shillings, and eight pence,
half penny current money due by accounts and the defendants being arrested
and called and not appearing and Peter Daniel being returned Security for
him, on the motion of the plaintiff's attorney it was considered by the
court that the plaintiffs recover against the defendant and his said
Security the same aforesaid of so much thereof as it shall appear to be due
unless the defendant shall appear at the next court and answer the said
action. On October 10, 1738, in Prince George County, in the action on the
cases brought by William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of the
last Will and testament of John Fitzgerald, deceased, against William
Floriday for £6, 9 shillings 7 pence current money due by accounts the
defendant came into court and being ruled to Special Bails, and failing, on
the motion of the plaintiff's attorney it was ordered that the defendant be
taken into custody of the Sheriff and safely kept until he shall give such
bail. In November, 1738, in Prince George County, in the action on the cause
brought by William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of the last
Will and testament of John Fitzgerald, defendants against John Brewer for
£6, seven shillings, and eight pence, half penny current money due by
accounts and the defendants being arrested and called and not appearing and
Peter Daniel being returned Security for him, on the motion of the plaintiff's
attorney it was considered by the court that the plaintiffs recover against
the defendant and his said Security the same aforesaid of so much thereof as
it shall appear to be due unless the defendant shall appear at the next
court and answer the said action. In November, 1738, in Prince George
County, in the action on the cases brought by William Poythress and Francis
Poythress, executors of the last Will and testament of John Fitzgerald,
deceased, against William Floriday for £6, 9 shillings, 7 pence current
money due by accounts the defendant came into court and being ruled to
Special Bails, and failing, on the motion of the plaintiff's attorney it was
ordered that the defendant be taken into custody of the Sheriff and safely
kept until he shall give such bail. On November 14, 1738, in Prince George
County, in the suit of William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of
John Fitzgerald, deceased, found for the plaintiff against William Floriday.

[On June 3, 1662, in Charles City County, at a court held at Westover, a
deed dated March 13, 1662, Richard Pace with the consent of my wife, Mary
Pace sell to Richard Taylor, land upon Powell's Creek, beginning at Buckland's
Island so up the creek to the road commonly called the Hawksnest and so
butting upon the Reedy Bottom as far as William Wilkin's plantation. The
witnesses were Caesar Walpole, John Hobbs, John Floriday and John Daniell.]

On February 11, 1739, in Prince George County, in the suit by a petition
brought by William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of the last
Will and testament of John Fitzgerald, deceased, against John Hill for £3, 5
shillings, ten pence, half penny current money due by accounts to which
Francis Poythress one of the plaintiffs made oath. The defendant being
summoned, called and not appearing on the plaintiff's motion it was
considered by the court that they recover against the defendant with costs
Als: Ecxo.
On March 13, 1739, in Prince George County, in the action on the case
brought by William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of the last
Will and testament of John Fitzgerald, deceased, against Honour Whitten,
administratrix of the goods and chattel of Richard Whitten, the deceased,
for 31 shillings, 3 pence current money due by accounts to which Francis
Poythress one of the plaintiffs made oath, the defendant being summoned and
called and it appearing to the court that she had fully administered the
estate of Richard, on the motion of the said Francis it was ordered that the
defendant pay to the aforesaid plaintiffs the aforesaid sum out of the said
defendant's estates when such thereof shall come to hand. On May 18, 1739,
in Amelia County, deed of John Harris and Susanna, his wife. (There were
several suits brought by William and Francis Poythress, executors of John
Fitzgerald. The Will was not recorded in Amelia County). On July 10, 1739,
in Prince George County, in the action on the case brought by William
Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of John Fitzgerald, deceased,
against Littlebury Eppes, the plaintiff failing to prosecute, was dismissed.
On August 15, 1739, in Prince George County, in the suit of William and
Francis Poythress, executors of John Fitzgerald, deceased, versus Hannah
Stroud, executrix of John Stroud, deceased, dismissed. On August 15, 1739,
in Prince George County, in the suit of William and Francis Poythress versus
William Stoa, dismissed.

[On December 1, 1743, in Brunswick County, Thomas Williams and wife,
Rachael, to LeRoy Griffin. From Thomas Williams and Rachel his wife, of
Prince George County, all of that tract of 521 acres of land in Brunswick
County, the same having been patented to Joseph Boswell on September 28,
1728, and bounded by John Robertson, on the north side of Sturgeon Creek,
adjoining Stroud and Henry Moriss. The witnesses were Jonathan Lydell, John
Edwards and John Blackman. On February 2, 1744, a release of right of Dower
by Rachel Griffin. To William Poythress, Sheriff, Hugh Miller, and Samuel
Gordon of Prince George County, Gentlemen, Greeting. Rachel cannot
conveniently travel to our County Court or to our General Court to
acknowledge the conveyance. You are therefore given the power to receive her
acknowledgement by personally going to Rachel. Signed January 7, 1743.
Rachel voluntarily relinquished her right of dower to the lands conveyed.
Signed February 1, 1744, William Poythress and Samuel Gordon. Brunswick
County.]

On August 15, 1739, in Prince George County, in the suit by petition brought
by William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of the last Will and
testament of John Fitzgerald, deceased, against Daniel Meadows for 25
shillings and a half penny current money due by accounts to which Francis
Poythress one of the plaintiffs makes oath the defendant being summoned and
called and not appearing on the plaintiff's motion it was considered by this
court that they recover against the defendant the aforesaid sum and costs
Als: Exeo. On August 15, 1739, in Prince George County, in the suit by
petition brought by William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of
the last Will and testament of John Fitzgerald, versus Martha Alexander and
Robert Munford, executrix and executor of the last Will and testament of
John Alexander, deceased. Amount to be recovered £3, 15 shillings, half
pence. On June 5, 1740, in Brunswick County, it was ordered that the
petition of William and Francis Poythress, executors, &c., of John
Fitzgerald, deceased, against Seth Petty Poole be continued until the next
court. Gentlemen judges: John Wall, Richard Burch, Nicholas Lanier, William
Hagood. Sheriff: William Martingood. On June 6, 1740, William and Francis
Poythress, executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against William
Gent, defendant, continued until the next court.
On September 4, 1740, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, deceased, petitioners, against Seth
Petty Poole, defendant, upon a petition for debt. This day came the parties
by their attorneys and the said defendant defends the force and injury and
prays judgement of the petitioners wait because he saith that the aforesaid
Francis Poythress one of the petitioners in the said writ named after the
original writ aforesaid was sued out and before this day to wit on the -----
day of ----- in the year MDCCXXXIX died at the parish of Saint Andrew in the
county of Brunswick aforesaid and this he was ready to verify wherefore he
prays the judgement of this worshipful court of the said writ and that the
said writ may be quashed and so forth and on the motion of the petitioners
time is given them until the next court to consider the said plea. On
September 4, 1740, in Brunswick County, upon the petition of William and
Francis Poythress, executors &c of John Fitzgerald, deceased., against
Samuel S-- for fo- pounds six shillings and four pence ----------- be due by
bill: discontinued; being agreed by the parties. On September 4, 1740, in
Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress, executors &c of John
Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against William Gent, defendant, continued until the
next court. On September 5, 1740, in Brunswick County, William and Francis
Poythress, executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against Phillip
Gorgette, defendant, continued until the next court. On September 5, 1740,
in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress, executors, &c., of John
Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against Moses Dunkley, defendant, continued until
the next court. On October 2, 1740, in Brunswick County, it was ordered that
the petition of William and Francis Poythress, executors, &c., of John
Fitzgerald, deceased, petitioners, against Seth Petty Poole, defendant, upon
a petition for debt. On the motion of the petitioners by their attorney
further time was given them until the next court to consider the said
defendant's plea. On October 2, 1740, in Brunswick County, William and
Francis Poythress, executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against
William Gent, defendant, continued until the next court. On October 2, 1740,
in Brunswick County, Francis Poythress, executor of John Fitzgerald, account
current of the estate of Joseph Turner, deceased. Debits mentioned include
payments to: the executors of William Kinchin, Francis Ealidge, Peter
Fairfax, Charles Travers, Francis Poythress executor of John Fitzgerald,
etc. Signed by John Wall and Michael Wall. On October 3, 1740, in Brunswick
County, William and Francis Poythress, executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald,
plaintiffs, against Moses Dunkley, defendant, continued until the next
court. On November 6, 1740, in Brunswick County, it was ordered that the
petition of William and Francis Poythress, executors, &c., of John
Fitzgerald, deceased, petitioners, against Seth Petty Poole, defendant, upon
a petition for debt. On November 6, 1740, in Brunswick County, this day came
the parties by their attorneys and the petitioners demur generally to the
defendant's plea in abatement and on the motion of the defendant. time was
given him until the next court to consider the said demurrer. On November 6,
1740, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress, executors, &c., of
John Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against William Gent, defendant, continued
until the next court.
On April 2, 1741, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, deceased, plaintiffs, against Philip
Gorgette, defendant, in debt. This day came the parties by their attorneys
and the said defendant defends the force and injury and prays judgement of
the petitioners wait because he saith that the aforesaid Francis Poythress
one of the petitioners in the said writ named after the original writ
aforesaid was sued out and before this day to wit on the ----- day of -----
in the year 1739 died at the parish of Saint Andrew in the county of
Brunswick aforesaid and this he is ready to verify wherefore he prays the
judgement of this worshipful court of the said writ and that the said writ
may be quashed and so forth and on the motion of the plaintiffs by their
attorney time is given them until the next court to reply to the said plea.
On April 2, 1741, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against Moses Dunkley,
defendant, in debt. The same plea and order verbatim as next before. On May
7, 1741, in Brunswick County, upon the petition of William and Francis
Poythress, executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, deceased, against Seth Petty
Poole for debt continued until the next court. On May 7, 1741, in Brunswick
County, William and Francis Poythress, executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald,
plaintiffs, against Phillip Gorgette, defendant, continued until the next
court. On May 7, 1741, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against Moses Dunkley,
defendant, continued until the next court. On December 3, 1741, in Brunswick
County, William and Francis Poythress, executors, &c., plaintiffs, against
Seth Petty Poole, defendant, upon petition in debt. This day came the
parties by their attorneys and thereupon the petitioners demurrer to the
defendants plea in abatement being argued because it seems to the court here
that the said plea and the matter therein contained are not sufficient in
lan to quash the writ of the petitioner therefore it was considered that the
defendant to the said writ do further answer whereupon the said defendant by
his attorney for plea saith that he doth not owe to the petitioners as
executors of the said John the money in the petition mentioned or any penny
thereof and this he prays may be enquired of by the court and on the motion
of the petitioners by their attorney time was given them until the next
court to consider the said plea. On December 3, 1741, in Brunswick County,
William and Francis Poythress, executors, &c., plaintiffs, against Moses
Dunkley, defendant, in debt. On December 3, 1741, in Brunswick County, this
day came the parties by their attorneys and the petitioners demurrer to the
defendants plea in abatement being argued because it seems to the court here
that the said plea and the matter therein contained are not sufficient in
lan to quash the petitioner's writ therefore it was considered that the
defendant to the same writ as further answer and thereupon the said
defendant prays and has leave to imparte here until the next court. On
December 3, 1741, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., plaintiffs, against Philip Gorgette, defendant, in debt.
This day came the parties by their attorneys and the petitioners demurrer to
the defendants plea in abatement being argued because it seems to the court
here that the said plea and the matter therein contained are not sufficient
in lan to quash the petitioner's writ therefore it was considered that the
defendant to the same writ do further answer and thereupon the said
defendant prays and has leave to imparte here until the next court. On
February 4, 1742, in Brunswick County, in the petition of William and
Francis Poythress, executors, &c., John Fitzgerald, deceased, against Seth
Petty Poole was continued until the next court at the plaintiff's costs. On
February 4, 1742, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, deceased, plaintiffs, against Moses
Dunkley, defendant, in debt, was continued until the next court. On February
4, 1742, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress, executors, &c.,
of John Fitzgerald, deceased, plaintiffs, against Phillip Gorgette,
defendant, in debt. On June 4, 1742, in Brunswick County, upon the petition
of William and Francis Poythress, executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald,
deceased, against Seth Petty Poole for £2, thirteen shillings and seven
pence current money said to be due by Bill this day came the parties by
their attorneys and it appearing from the testimony of diverse witnesses
that the defendant does not owe the plaintiffs the money in the petition
mentioned and in pleading he has alleged therefore it was ordered by the
court that the petitioners take nothing by their petition out for their
false clamor be in money, &c, and that the defendant go hence without delay
and recover against the plaintiffs his costs by him about his defense in his
behalf expended. On the motion of Francis Bresin, witness, for of Seth Petty
Poole, at the suit of William and Francis Poythress, executors, &c, of John
Fitzgerald, deceased, it was ordered that the said Seth pay him two hundred
and eighty pounds of tobacco for four days attendance for coming and
returning 30 miles according to law. On the motion of Thomas Mayo, witness,
for Seth Petty Poole, at the suit of William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c, of John Fitzgerald, deceased, it was ordered that the said
Seth pay him one hundred pounds of tobacco for four days attendance
according to law. John Fitzgerald (-1736) was the husband of Elizabeth
Poythress, daughter of John Poythress and Christian Peebles.

After Francis Poythress' death
On September 4, 1740, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, deceased, petitioners, against Seth
Petty Poole, defendant, upon a petition for debt. This day came the parties
by their attorneys and the said defendant defends the force and injury and
prays judgement of the petitioners wait because he saith that the aforesaid
Francis Poythress one of the petitioners in the said writ named after the
original writ aforesaid was sued out and before this day to wit on the -----
day of ----- in the year MDCCXXXIX died at the parish of Saint Andrew in the
county of Brunswick aforesaid and this he was ready to verify wherefore he
prays the judgement of this worshipful court of the said writ and that the
said writ may be quashed and so forth and on the motion of the petitioners
time is given them until the next court to consider the said plea. September
4, 1740, in Brunswick County, upon the petition of William and Francis
Poythress, executors &c of John Fitzgerald, deceased., against Samuel S--
for fo- pounds six shillings and four pence ----------- be due by bill:
discontinued; being agreed by the parties. And, on the same date, William
and Francis Poythress, executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against
William Gent, defendant, continued until the next court.

On August 28, 1746, Abner Grigg, 300 acres, in Prince George County, on the
lower side of the Old Field branch of the Butterwood Swamp, adjoining
Poythress, Coleman, John Bain and Fitzgerald.
In 1752, Dinwiddie County's present boundaries were established except the
City of Petersburg. Dinwiddie County was cut off from Prince George's
remaining southwestern end. County court records prior to 1833 were
destroyed in 1865. One plat book, one order book, and one judgement book
have survived.
On September 10, 1754, in Prince George County, the accounts of the estate
of Arthur Biggins, Jr., deceased. The debits mention, among others, Joseph
Carter, Thomas Weeks, Elizabeth Tilman, Ann Pace, Arthur Biggins, Sr.,
Francis Poythress, deceased, Lawrence Biggins, Richard Biggins for five
years nursing and boarding of Thomas Biggins, an infant. The credits mention
William Wilkins. Signed by administrators, John Woodlief and John Watts.

In 1763, in Dinwiddie County, the charges were denominated in pounds of
tobacco, for which it was likely warehouse receipts were used to pay the
bill.
Robert Hutchings, Lunenburg County, February, 1763, order to abate suit
versus F. Poythress.
Leonard Claiborne, Jr., February, 1763, dismissed versus F. Poythress. May,
1763, judgement versus F. Poythress' executors.
Francis Poythress, Prince George County, March, 1763, subpoena in
Chancellory versus F. Poythress, Jr., docketing, attorney, continuance.
June, 1763, continuance. August, 1763, continuance. October, 1763,
continuance versus F. Poythress.
William Black, March, 1763, subpoena for witnesses versus Poythress. June,
1763, order for attendance, trial, judgement, executive order, &c. July,
1763, executive order, &c., versus F. Poythress. September, 1763, executive
order versus Do. February, 1764, executive order, &c. September, 1763, Writ
of execution versus L. Claiborne, Jr., Special Bill for Poythress,
docketing, attorney, dismissed, file papers.
Peter Stainback, May, 1763, capias versus F. Poythress, docketing, attorney,
declaration, dismissed, file papers; petition, &c., judgement versus
Poythress and Rees, attorney. June, 1763, Capias versus Poythress,
docketing, attorney, declaration, order to abate suit, file papers.
Francis Poythress and John Evans, Prince George County, May, 1763, recording
Jones' and wife's deed to you.
Stephen Dance, June, 1763, attorney ads F. Poythress.
Thomas Welch, assignee of Francis Poythress, May, 1763, continuance versus
Smith's executors. November, 1763, judgement.
Peter Bland and Co, Prince George County, order versus F. Poythress, plea.
June, 1763, trial versus F. Poythress, judgement. July 2, 1763, executive
order.
Joseph Williamson, Brunswick County, June, 1763, continuance versus F.
Poythress on petition. August, 1763, continuance. Judgement, November, 1763,
executive order.
Colonel John Jones, September, 1763, executive order, &c., versus F.
Poythress. August, 1763, file deponents ads F. Poythress, copy four
deponents.
Edward Lewis, August, 1763, capias versus F. Poythress, docketing,
declaration, dismissed.
Francis Poythress, Peter Woodlief and wife, and Leonard Claiborne, Jr., and
wife, August, 1763, continuance versus Ruffin.		01/18/2006 3:12:38
Francis Poythress, husband of Mary Peterson, father of Sergeant Francis Poythress, 4th GenerationMichael TutorThis Francis Poythress may be the last of the Francis Poythress men. It
depends on whether he was the elusive preacher, Francis Poythress, the
Elder. If he was not the preacher, then we have one more Francis Poythress
to identify. There are several reasons that I believe this man may be the
preacher. I have always thought that his Will was a very singular document.
This may be a result of the fact that we do not have the full document. The
Preacher Francis Poythress seems to have lived in Virginia until 1787 when
he was designated the presiding Elder of the Kentucky circuit. The Francis
Poythress below had only one son, Sergeant Francis Poythress, who was dead
by 1785. Based upon the death of his only son and the "marriage contract"
with his wife, Francis may have taken advantage of a new life in Kentucky.
His daughter, Mary Peterson Poythress Randolph, seems to have moved to
Fayette County, Tennessee, with her husband, Henry Isham Randolph. Finally,
Francis Poythress wrote his Will in 1796 prior to the mental breakdown of
the preacher in 1800. The Preacher, Francis Poythress, had two sisters
living in Kentucky. We know that this Kentucky branch of the family
continued to have ties to family and land in Virginia.

I have also placed John Worsham's Will here. He wrote his Will in 1729. The
preacher, Francis Poythress, was supposedly born in 1728. I have also placed
a short time line for the preacher below. Much more can be found regarding
his life on the internet under the history of the Methodists.

The Fourth Generation: Francis Poythress, husband of Mary Peterson, father
of Sergeant Francis Poythress
Inheritance
In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729, proved
October 1, 1729.
To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my son,
William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest daughter,
my granddaughter.
To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at Coldwater
Run. (Daniel was the eldest son).
To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
To son, William, items.
To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson, Martha
Ward and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
To grandson, Isham Epes.
To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man and
various items to them and their mother, Judith, the widow of Daniel.
Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The witnesses were
Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.

Son, Francis Poythress
Sergeant Francis Poythress, Army. Certificate, (1) John Watts, Captain, (2)
Edward Bland and Peter Epes as to heir. Order to deliver bounty warrant,
Henry Randolph. Voucher 1786, Prince George County. We do hereby certify
that Mary Randolph is the only surviving child of Francis Poythress, the
Elder, and sister to the within named Sergeant Francis Poythress. Given
under our hands this November 11, 1785. Edward Bland and Peter Epes. Francis
Poythress was appointed a corporal in the 1st Regiment Light ----- in
August, 1779, and promoted to a Sergeant in April, 1781, and continued as
such to the end of the War. John Watts, Captain, 1st Regiment, L. Dragoons.
Certified that the above certificate was in Captain Watts' own hand.
Blanford, February 4, 1784. Edmund B. Lucy. June 22, 1786, Sir, Be pleased
to deliver to Mr. ------- the land Warrant which Francis Poythress is
entitled to. To Henry Randolph, the Commissioner of the Land Office.

Professional Life
In 1777, in Hartford County, Maryland, and in 1778, in Leesburg, Virginia,
the following preachers met to determine the future of their work: Isham
Tatum, Charles Hopkins, Nelson Reed, Reuben Ellis, Philip Gatch, Thomas
Morris, James Morris, James Foster, John Major, Andrew Yeargin, Henry
Willis, Francis Poythress, John Sigman, Leroy Cole, Carter Cole, James O'Kelly,
William Monroe (or Moore, Lednum), Samuel Roe.
On Tuesday July 11, 1780, in North Carolina, the preacher, Francis
Poythress, was working the circuit.
On Tuesday, July 18, 1780, in North Carolina, the preacher, Francis
Poythress, was on the New Hope Circuit west of the Tar River Circuit.
In 1783, Francis Poythress and Benjamin Roberts were assigned the Allegheny
Circuit, in the Greenbrier District of the Virginia Conference.
In 1787, the Lexington and Danville circuits were created out of the
Kentucky circuit and Francis Poythress was appointed the presiding elder.
"The father of the little church at Lexington was the unfortunate Francis
Poythress, who went from station to station, preaching and toiling and
suffering in silence...As a preacher, few in those days, excelled him. His
voice was clear and musical, his knowledge of the scripture vast and
accurate, and his sermons fell as the dew of life upon the hearts of his
congregation." Francis Poythress was the presiding elder of the Kentucky
area for nine years.
In 1788, Thomas Williamson, Peter Massie and Benjamin Snelling were sent to
the Lexington, Kentucky Circuit with Francis Poythress as the presiding
elder. This circuit included the counties of Fayette, Jessamine, Woodford,
Franklin, Scott and Harrison. Of Francis Poythress, it was said that he "had
the bearing of one who had been well raised, his deportment being very
gentlemanly; but he appeared to be somewhat melancholy in disposition."
In 1793, presiding elders of the Greenbrier Circuit were assisted by the
itinerant preachers, John Tunnell, James O'Kelly and Francis Poythress.
Before 1800, Benjamin Ogden, James Haw, "the great and noble" Francis
Poythress, Peter Massie, Barnabas McHenry, John Page, William Burke, Wilson
Lee, Jacob Lurton, Moses Speer and Aquilla Sugg were the preachers that
traveled the circuit from Nashville, Tennessee, to Russellville and Bowling
Green, Kentucky, and to Evansville, Indiana, preaching the Bible as
Methodists.
By 1800, Francis Poythress was unable to continue his work and became
seriously deranged in intellect and remained in that condition for years. He
died at his sister's house in Jessamine County, Kentucky. His sister was
Susannah Pryor.

Foster Ockerman, Jr., in his First United Methodist Church History," gives a
short biography of the Preacher, Francis Poythress, the Elder.
Poythress was about five feet, eight inches tall and heavily built, even
powerful. He was born in Virginia of a wealthy family and later inherited a
large estate. Although he had a wild youth, he soon began seeking spiritual
comfort. He first joined the Church of England, the dominant church in his
part of Virginia, eventually traveling as an assistant to an evangelical
preacher. On one journey, he rode in the company of a traveling Methodist
preacher who gave Poythress a copy of the Methodist discipline and
doctrines. Shortly thereafter, he converted to the Methodism, being admitted
as a preacher during the Revolution. After serving several circuits, he was
made an Elder in 1786. Two years later he was sent to Kentucky. As Elder and
with Asbury's confidence, Poythress played a strong leadership role in
Kentucky, presiding at Conferences in Asbury's absence and stationing
preachers. As such, Poythress had great influence over which preacher was
assigned to Lexington. He was also influential in the establishment of
Bethel Academy. Arnold reports that when Poythress arrived in Kentucky, the
district held just over 500 Methodists; but when his administration as Elder
ended, there were almost 2,500 members of the church. "It was he who
directed the forces in this formative period of Methodism in Kentucky."
After a year's assignment elsewhere, Poythress served one more year, 1799,
as Elder in Kentucky before being moved outside the state.
By 1800, however, the stress and strain of frontier work had broken his
health. He retired to his sister's home in Jessamine county where he died in
1818.

Property: Personal Property and Land
In 1752, Dinwiddie County's present boundaries were established except for
the portion annexed by the City of Petersburg.
In 1752, Dinwiddie County was cut off from Prince George's remaining
southwestern end. The county court records prior to 1833 were destroyed in
1865. One plat book, one order book, and one judgement book survive.
On July 20, 1768, to Elias Wills, whereas by a patent dated September 20,
1745, there was granted unto John Paterson 204 acres, in Amelia County, on
both sides of the head of the dry or lower fork of Winticomaick Creek and
whereas John Paterson hath failed to pay such Quit rents and Francis
Poythress has made humble suit and has obtained a grant for the same which
he has assigned unto Elias Wills, adjoining Thomas Hood, Matthew Tucker and
Tesdale.
In 1787, in Prince George County, taxes were paid by Francis Poythress,
William Poythress, Mary Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress, and Joshua Poythress
(estate).
On April 1, 1789, in Prince George County, account of the estate of Joel
Sturdivant by John Sturdivant, Sr., executor. Names, among many, Francis
Poythress and Joseph Poythress.
In 1795, in Dinwiddie County, land taxes were paid by Francis Poythress, on
100 acres, conveyed by William Cross.
In 1796, in Dinwiddie County, land taxes were paid by Francis Poythress on
100 acres.
In 1797, in Dinwiddie County, land taxes were paid by Francis Poythress on
100 acres.
In 1798, in Dinwiddie County, land taxes were paid by Francis Poythress on
100 acres.
In 1801, in Dinwiddie County, land taxes were paid by Francis Poythress on
100 acres.
In 1802, in Dinwiddie County, land taxes were paid by Francis Poythress on
100 acres.
In 1803, in Dinwiddie County, land taxes were paid by Francis Poythress on
100 acres.
In 1805, in Dinwiddie County, land taxes were paid by Francis Poythress on
100 acres.
In 1806, in Dinwiddie County, land taxes were paid by Francis Poythress on
100 acres.
In 1807, in Dinwiddie County, land taxes were paid by Francis Poythress on
100 acres.

Pertinent Information
On November 12, 1723, in Prince George County, John Peterson, of Bristol
parish, to John Fitzgerald, of the same parish, all that water grist or corn
mill, called Froghole Mill, on Bailey's Creek, 118 acres and is bounded as
by deed dated January 26, 1677, from Francis Whittington to John Peterson,
Sr., deceased, which descended to said John Peterson, as heir at law, on
part of which land the Mill stands. Another tract of land adjoins and
contains 60 acres as in a deed dated October 11, 1703, from Henry Batts to
John Peterson, the said tract of land had descended to Henry Batts from his
father, Henry Batts, Sr. The other tract of land of 95 acres, was purchased
by John Peterson from William Bobbitt, Jr., by deed on May 12, 1703, it
being land on which the said Bobbitt then lived, and was granted to William
Bobbitt, Sr., father of the said William Bobbitt, Jr., by patent on October
27, 1673, and descended to William Bobbitt, Jr., as heir at law. The
witnesses were Henry Wood, Joshua Irby and Francis Poythress. John Peterson
(c. 1667-1732) was married to Mary Batte, and they were the grandparents of
Mary Peterson who married a Francis Poythress. William Bobbitt, Jr.,
(1675-1738), was married to Mary Green, the daughter of William Green and
Sarah Pritchett.
On January 2, 1738, James Sturdivant was granted 620 acres, in Amelia
County, in the fork between the main Deep Creek and the Seller fork of Deep
Creek, adjoining Vaughan, Edmonds alias Bumpusses, and Daniel Studivant's
old line; 400 acres formerly granted Daniel Sturdivant, deceased, by patent
August 17, 1725, and by mesne conveyances is vested in said James
Sturdivant.
On March 15, 1742, William Sturdivante, was granted 327 acres, in Prince
George County, on the south side of Stoney Creek; whereas by patent March
23, 1734 granted John Sturdivante and whereas the said John Sturdivant hath
failed to make cultivation and improvement and William Poythress hath made
humble suit and obtained a grant for the same which he hath relinquished
unto William Sturdivant.
The inventory and appraisal of the estate of Charles Hix, taken by Batt
Peterson, John Wall, Jr. and Michael Wall, Jr. Errors excepted by George
Hicks, administrator. Returned to court on June 6, 1745. John Wall (1708-),
husband of Anne Poythress (1721-), was one of the appraisers as was his
brother, Michael Wall. Batte Peterson (c. 1700-1758) was an uncle of Mary
Peterson who married Francis Poythress.
On October 23, 1773, Isaac Howell to Henry Fittz, both of Dinwiddie County,
Virginia., 322 acres in Bute County on both sides of Hawtree Creek,
adjoining Joshua Ellis, Travice Reese and John Jones (formerly Young), land
which was sold to Charles Poythress, of Dinwiddie County, by John Hawkins.
The witnesses were Henry Sturdivant, Travess Rees, Ephraim Ellis and William
Ellis. Proved by Ephraim Ellis, Bute County, August court 1774.
On October 5, 1787, in Prince George County, Deed for Lease, Mary Poythress,
of Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince George County, to Daniel Sturdivant,
of Prince George County, 100 acres, 6 year lease. The witnesses were William
Birchett, James Sturdivant, John Sturdivant and James Davenport.
On September 14, 1790, in Prince George County, Robert Birchett, tobacco
inspector, to James Sturdivant, tobacco picker, for £150, paid to James
Sturdivant, Jr., land purchased by Robert Birchett from William Poythress,
Jr., bounded by the Reedy branch and John Hunnicutt, 333½ acres. No
witnesses.

As Witness
On March 28, 1757, in Halifax County, John Hickey, of Halifax County, to
Samuel Gordon, of the town of Blandford, £597/7/7, various tracts, cattle,
etc. The witness was Francis Poythress.

Francis Poythress' Will
In Dinwiddie County, the Will of Francis Poythress, dated December 10, 1796.
I give my loving wife all my estate of every kind that I do possess
reserving unto my daughter, Mary Peterson Randolph, which I give five
shillings which said sum I give unto my daughter to her and her heirs
forever. Whereas there was a marriage contract between my wife and myself
and whereas the true intent and meaning of the said writing was that my said
wife was to enjoy and have the full and free disposal of all the estate of
every kind that came by her without the let or hindrance of me and my heirs.
Now if there should be any deficiencies in the said writing so as to entitle
my heirs to any of the property. The ------- my wife, my will and desires
and I do hereby revoke all such claim and desire that my wife and her heirs
should enjoy all the estate that came by her without the ------------ or
molestation of my heirs in witness where so I have hence unto set my hand
and seal this December 10, 1796. Francis Poythress. The witnesses were
Reubin Wilkinson and Robert Reese.		01/21/2006 1:29:59
Captain Francis Poythress, father of Francis Poythress, Gentleman, 3rd GenerationMichael TutorI have never seen or heard when John Poythress' 1712 Will was found. I do
not know who found it. It is evident that neither Batte nor Smith knew of
its existence. It may have been very helpful to them and other early
researchers and may have provided us with some benefit if they had known of
its existence.
Without the benefit of the Will, Batte left us the following:

4. Francis Poythress (Mary ______1) was born ABT 1630 in [(P_1) D] Called
"Major", and died ABT 1688 in VA. He married Rebecca Coggin, daughter of
John Coggin and ______ Bland. She was born BET 1630 AND 1660, and died in
VA.
Children of Francis Poythress and Rebecca Coggin are:
18 i. Francis Poythress was born BEF 1688 in [(P_1) DA], and died AFT 1738
in Lived in Surry County, Virginia.
+ 19 ii. Anne Poythress was born BEF 1682 in VA [(P_1) DB], and died AFT
1733 in Living 1733.
+ 20 iii. Rebecca Poythress was born BEF 1683 in VA [(P_1) DD].
21 iv. Thomas Poythress was born ABT 1683 in VA [(P_1) DE], and died ABT
1750.
+ 22 v. John Poythress was born BEF 1688 in VA [(P_1) DC], and died ABT
1724.

22. John Poythress (Francis Poythress2, Mary ______1) was born BEF 1688 in
VA [(P_1) DC], and died ABT 1724. He married Mary ______. She died AFT 1724.
Children of John Poythress and Mary ______ are:
74 i. John Poythress was born BEF 1724 in ~Virginia [(P_1) DCA].
75 ii. Elizabeth Poythress was born BEF 1724 in VA [(P_1) DCD].
76 iii. Rebecca Poythress was born BEF 1724 in VA [(P_1) DCE].
77 iv. Anne Poythress was born BEF 1724 in VA [(P_1) DCF].
+ 78 v. Francis Poythress was born 1707 in ~Virginia [(P_1) DCD], and died
ABT 1729.
79 vi. William Poythress was born AFT 1717 in VA [(P_1) DCC].

78. Francis Poythress (John Poythress3, Francis Poythress2, Mary ______1)
was born 1707 in ~Virginia [(P_1) DCD], and died ABT 1729. He married Hannah
(Georgianna) Ravenscroft in This family section needs more study., daughter
of ______ Ravenscroft and Hannah ______. She was born BET 1707 AND 1715.
Child of Francis Poythress and Hannah (Georgianna) Ravenscroft is:
195 i. Elizabeth Poythress was born 11 FEB 1729/30.

Separating the lives of the Francis Poythress men in the third generation
will be a monumental task. These two were first cousins. Both had a brother
named John. The brothers were known as Captain John Poythress, Sr., and
Captain John Poythress, Jr.

In 1704, a Francis Poythress, Sr., was listed in the Prince George rent
rolls with over a thousand acres of land. This man would most likely have
appeared quite often in the records. In 1712, a Francis Poythress and a
Francis Poythress, Sr., were witnesses to a deed in Prince George County. By
1718, a Francis Poythress, the Elder, appeared in his own deeds in Prince
George County.

By posting the existing records of this period, someone may see the obvious
separation in the lives of these two men. In this period, there will appear
a grandson of John Poythress of the 1712 Will and a grandson of John Worsham
of the 1729 Will, both named Francis. It would appear that the first
cousins, Francis Poythress and Francis Poythress, Sr., both had a son that
they named Francis. By 1729, it would not seem likely that Francis
Poythress, son of Captain John Poythress, Jr., would have been of an age to
have a son but he is still a possible candidate to be the father of one of
the grandsons mentioned.

The Third Generation: Captain Francis Poythress, father of Francis
Poythress, Gentleman
Dr. Claiborne T. Smith, Jr., on Francis Poythress
Francis Poythress and Rebecca Coggin had issue, of whom there is record:
I. Francis Poythress. He was listed on the 1704 Rent Roll in Prince Geo_ as
"Francis Poythress, Sen." with 1283 acres of land. Later record uncertain,
but he appears to have been the ancestor of a long line of Francis
Poythresses.
II. Anne Poythress, married Burrell Green. On 11_15_1721, Burrell Green and
his wife, Ann, of Surry Co., and Francis Poythress, of Prince George, sold
land to Robert Hunnicutt, part of a patent to Rebecca Poythress for 1000
acres of land, "half of which land is in the possession of Littleberry
Eppes," 300 acres of said land was given to Rebecca Poythress, a daughter of
said Rebecca, and 200 acres to the sd. Anne Green. (P. Geo. D. B.
_1713_1728) Burrell Green died intestate in Surry and his widow, Ann, was
appointed adm. of his estate 9_19_1733. (Surry B. 8_330). They appear to
have lived in what was later Sussex County.
III. Rebecca Poythress. Circumstantial evidence is strong that she married
Richard Pace, died 1738, and removed with him to N. C. (V.H.G. _168).
According to family tradition, this Richard Pace married Rebecca Poythress.
In 1715 Francis Poythress, Sen., sold 100 acres to Peter Grammar on Holly
Bushes Branch, on the line of Richard Pace. (P. G. B. 1718_1728, 63). On
11_11_1718, Richard Pace and Francis Poythress sold 400 acres on Old Town
Run, adjoining the lands of Rosser and Goodrich. (lbid; 271).
IV. Thomas Poythress. He is mentioned as brother in the will of John
Poythress in 1724. At the time of the 1704 Rent Roll, he owned 616 acres in
Prince George. In 1715, he was granted 180 acres in Surry. (P. B. 10_265).
There is no further definite record of him and it is not known if he left
descendants. He may be the Thomas Poythress who was named "cousin" and
executor in the will of Joshua Poythress in 1739. In 1750, Joshua Poythress,
second of the name, was executor of a Thomas Poythress. (W&M (2) 15_52).
V. John Poythress _ At the time of the 1704 rent roll, he is listed with 916
acres and styled "John Poythress, Jun." On 10_23 _1703, he was granted 609
acres on the south side of the Blackwater, formerly granted to Francis Poy
thress 9_28_1681. (Bk. P. B. 9_571). On 12_11_1721, Hubbard Gibson sold to
Peter Poythress 200 acres on the Blackwater, part of a tract granted unto
Francis Poythress, now deceased, and then granted unto John Poythress, son
of the deceased Francis Poythress, which 200 acres sd. John Poythress sold
said Gibson 12_11_1704, sd. land borders on land sold Francis Poythress by
Hercules Flood. (P.G. Deeds, 1713_1728, p.508). On 11_28_1720, Francis
Poythress., the elder, deeded to John Poythress, Jun., a tract of land
called Powells, 150 acres bounded on north by Richard Bland, south on lands
lately in occupation of Joseph Patterson, easterly on Deep Bottom and on the
west by Thomas Poythress. (Ibid: 425).

Family
Francis married Hannah Ravenscroft. Their daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, was
born February 11, 1730, and was baptized April 8, 1730, in Bristol parish.
Francis was dead by March, 1738.

Court Cases
On April 2, 1716, in Prince George County, the suit pending between Francis
Mallory and Francis Poythress, executors of Joshua Patterson, deceased, and
Thomas Hunsby, neither party appearing, was dismissed. In April, 1716,
Francis Mallory and Francis Poythress, executors of Joshua Patterson,
deceased, versus Thomas Hunsby; pursuant to an order of the last court
exhibited and out, related to the provings on the case while being examined
and it was ordered to be filed and the said plaintiffs as aforesaid to have
until this February therein mentioned. On January 10, 1717, Francis Mallory
and Francis Poythress, executors of Joshua Patterson, deceased, made
complaint that Thomas Hunsby stands indebted to them the sum of 1,060 pounds
of tobacco due for rent; vis: and set forth that the said Thomas has
unlawfully departed this County so that the ordinary proofs at law cannot be
served against him whereupon they by virtue of an attachment into the hands
of his Majesty's Justice of this County returnable to this court have caused
part of the estate of this Thomas to be attached for payment thereof; viz.
a ----- of tobacco and the said Thomas being called and failing to appear to
replace the land. On the plaintiff's motion, judgement was granted them
against the defendant for the aforesaid sum and costs to be levied and paid
for out of the said tobacco. It was ordered that the same be duly appraised
by John Bonner, William Hudson, etc.
On August 11, 1719, in Prince George County, the petition of Francis
Poythress, executor, against Elizabeth Mallory, executor of Francis Mallory,
deceased, was referred until the next court. The Will of Francis Mallory,
deceased, was exhibited by Elizabeth Mallory, John Howard and Edward
Goodrich, the executors, and proved by Joshua Irby and Joseph Renn, and
recorded, with Francis Poythress security to John Hatch, Edmund Irby,
Gilbert Hay and William Harrison, Gentlemen, to appraise the estate. Francis
Mallory (-1719) was married to Elizabeth Goodrich. Edward Goodrich
(1693-1720) was married to Margaret Wynne, the daughter of Joshua Wynne and
Mary Jones.
On October 13, 1719, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, surviving
executor of the last Will and testament of Joshua Patterson, against
Elizabeth Mallory, John Hamlin and Edward Goodrich, executors of the last
Will and testament of Francis Mallory, deceased, for 2,061 pounds of tobacco
and 16 shillings due by accounts to the estate of the plaintiff, Joseph
Patterson, deceased. The defendants move the plaintiff to prove the said
account whereupon he makes oath that the same was due and on his motion it
was ordered that the defendants pay to the said plaintiff out of the said
Mallory's estate £17, 3 shillings, 6 pence, value of the said tobacco and
the said sum of 17 shillings amounting in the whole to £18, 6 pence with
costs Als: Eceo.

Civic Activities
On January 6, 1715, in Prince George County, John Cargill and Sarah, his
wife, plaintiffs, versus Bryan Farrell, defendant; Francis Poythress was
empaneled on the jury. John Cargill was married to Sarah Hamlin, daughter of
John Hamlin (c. 1640-) and Elizabeth Taylor.
In 1718, in Prince George County, Ann Hamlin, relict of Richard Hamlin,
deceased, appeared in court and relinquished her right of administration to
John Hamlin, who appeared and indemnified Sampson Meredith, one of the
securities of Richard Hamlin, who died without a Will, and was granted
administration of the estate. Francis Poythress and Peter Wynne went his
security. Richard Hamlin was married to Ann Harnison. John Hamlin was
married to Ann Goodrich, the daughter of Charles Goodrich. Richard Hamlin
and John Hamlin were the sons of John Hamlin and Elizabeth Taylor.
In early Brunswick County, the nearest minister was Reverend John Cargill,
of Southwark parish. In 1724, he wrote that his parish was 20 miles in width
and 100 miles in length. It was a frontier parish with 394 families. The
Indian school was on the border of his parish. John Cargill was married to
Sarah Cargill, daughter of John Hamlin and Elizabeth Taylor.

Personal Property
In the 1704 Quit Rents Roll, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress,
Sr., paid taxes on 1,283 acres; John Poythress, Jr., paid taxes on 916
acres; and, Thomas Poythress, paid taxes on 616 acres.
On December 9, 1712, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George
County, to Thomas Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George County,
all my tract in Westover parish, in Prince George County, known as Odium's,
100 acres, bounded by John Winningham, said Thomas Poythress, Deep Bottom
Run, the dividing line of Francis and John Poythress, with all houses, etc.
The witnesses were Edward Goodrich, Richard Hamlin and Peter Wynne. Recorded
on December 11, 1712. Edward Goodrich (1693-1719/20) was married to Margaret
Wynne, the daughter of Joshua Wynne and Mary Jones. Richard Hamlin, son of
John Hamlin and Elizabeth Taylor, was married to Ann Harnison, daughter of
Thomas Harnison. Peter Wynne (c. 1690-1738) was the son of Joshua Wynne.

On April 20, 1687, Charles Goodrich was granted 550 acres on the south side
of the James River, in Westover parish, adjoining Daniel Higdon, William
Edmunds, John Williams, Mr. Bates and Major Francis Poythress.
On April 20, 1687, Mr. Thomas Wynne was granted 280 acres on the south side
of the James River, in Jordan's parish, adjoining his half-brother, Major
Francis Poythress, his brother, Mr. Joshua Wynne, Mr. Fountain and Mr. Batt.
On April 20, 1689, James Mumford was granted 50 1/4 acres, on the south side
of the James River, in Westover parish, in Charles City County, adjoining
Mr. John Woodlief and Major Francis Poythress.
On April 21, 1690, Hercules Flood was granted 1,254 acres, upon the
Blackwater River, on the east side of the Reedy branch, adjoining William
Harris, Adam Tapley, Captain Henry Batts and Major Francis Poythress, on the
long meadow adjacent to the Ealeroot Level.
On April 21, 1690, Adam Tapley and William Harrison were granted 1,078
acres, on the south side of the James River, in Jordan's parish, in Charles
City County, adjoining Major Francis Poythress and Nicholas Whitmore.
On April 21, 1690, Thomas Wynne was granted 659 acres, on the Blackwater
River, adjoining to John Wallace, Hercules Flood, Major Francis Poythress
and John Williams, to the mouth of Bland's branch and across Bland's branch.
On May 2, 1705, John Hamlin was granted 550 acres, on the south side of the
James River, in Westover parish, in Charles City County, adjoining Daniel
Higdon, William Edmonds, John Williams, Mr. Bates and Major Francis
Poythress. John Hamlin was married to Ann Goodrich, daughter of Charles
Goodrich.
On November 2, 1705, Richard Bland was granted 1,254 acres, deserted by
Hercules Flood, upon the Blackwater River, on the east side of the Reedy
branch, on the long meadow adjacent to the Ealeroot Level, adjoining Major
Francis Poythress, William Harris, Adam Tapley, and Captain Henry Batts.
[Seventeen years after Major Francis Poythress' death, his land was still
referred to in adjoining deeds.]

On July 12, 1715, Francis Poythress, of Westover parish, in Prince George
County, sold to Peter Grammar, of Westover parish, in Prince George County,
100 acres, in Westover parish, in Prince George County, on Holly Bushes
Branch, on the line of Richard Pace, and said Poythress. The witnesses were
Edward Goodrich and William Hamlin. On July 12, 1715, in Prince George
County, Francis Poythress acknowledged a deed for land, executed and sealed,
bearing date June 12, 1715, to Peter Grammer, and his heirs, on whose motion
the same was committed to record. William Hamlin was the son of John Hamlin
and Elizabeth Taylor (c. 1660-1720).
On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the Elder,
of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to Richard Pace, of the
same, the land whereon the said Richard Pace now lives, the plantation
whereon Joseph Carter, Edward Crossland, Thomas Kirkland, and Michael
Rosser, Sr., live, 400 acres, bounded on the lands of Francis Poythress
according to several lines of marked trees lately made between the said
Francis and the said Richard. The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner
and Thomas Poythress.
On November 11, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, of
Westover Parish, in Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry
County, 100 acres, in Westover parish, in Prince George County, bounded by
lands of Peter Grammar and the lands lately purchased of Richard Pace by the
said Francis Poythress. The witnesses were Peter Wynne, John Bonner and
Thomas Poythress. On the back of the deed was an endorsement in the
following, Viz: That livery and seisin of the land and premises within
mentioned was by the therein named Francis Poythress delivered in due form
of law unto the therein named Thomas Goodwynn with quiet and peaceable
possession and seisure of the same on the day and year within mentioned.
Thomas Goodwyn (c. 1660-c. 1731) was married to Martha Jones.
On November 11, 1718, Richard Pace, of Prince George County, and Francis
Poythress, of Prince George County, sold 400 acres, in Westover parish, in
Prince George County, to Thomas Goodwyn, of Surry County, beginning at the
path on the Old Town run, where it crosses the same, leading from Old
Michael Rosser's plantation to Edward Goodrich's plantation, and running
thence westwardly as the path leads along the said Rosser's cornfield fence
to the upper end of the same and from thence west nineteen degrees north
along a line of marked trees to a corner oak in the head of a bottom thence
down that bottom by a line of mark trees to the run between Richard Pace's
plantation where he now lives, and the plantation whereon John Whitmore more
lately lived, and so down that run to the path at the beginning, together
with 200 acres of land at the head of the said Richard Pace's dividend,
beginning at his southern corner tree and running east fifty chains to a red
oak, thence north one hundred and sixty chains to the line dividing this
land from lands which did belong to Mr. Charles Anderson, deceased, thence
west fifty chains, thence south one hundred and sixty chains to the
beginning. Richard Pace and Francis Poythress. The witnesses were Peter
Wynne, John Bonner and Thomas Poythress. John Whitmore was most likely the
son of Nicholas Whitmore (-1718), the third husband of Mrs. Mary Baker Pace,
the widow of Richard Pace.
On December 9, 1718, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, the Elder's
deed of land to Richard Pace was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and
Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
On December 9, 1718, in Prince George County, Frances Poythress, the Elder's
deed of title languishes.
On December 9, 1718, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, the Elder's
deed of land to Thomas Goodwyn was proved by Peter Wynne, John Bonner and
Thomas Poythress, witnesses.
On October 11, 1719, in Prince George County, Jenny, a negro girl belonging
to Francis Poythress, was judged to be nine years old.
On November 8, 1720, in Prince George County, Francis Poythress, the Elder,
of Westover parish, in Prince George County, sold to John Poythress, Jr., of
Westover parish, in Prince George County, land called Powell's, 150 acres,
bounded on the north by Richard Bland, on the south on the lands lately in
the occupation of Joseph Patterson, bounded easterly on the Deep Bottom and
westerly on the land of Thomas Poythress. The witnesses were Edward
Goodrich, Thomas Binford and Margaret Goodrich. On December 13, 1720, in
Prince George County, Francis Poythress, in open court, acknowledged his
deed for land, indented and sealed, with livery of seizure endorsed thereon
to John Poythress on whose motion the same was ordered to be recorded.
On March 22, 1721, in Prince George County, Surveyor's Book, to a survey for
Captain Francis Poythress on the upper or west side of Butterwood Swamp and
Woodlief's branch, 387 acres. Robert Bolling was the surveyor. Robert
Bolling (1681-1749), son of Robert Bolling and Anne Stith, was married to
Anne Cocke. (refer to 4/20/1689?).

On December 12, 1721, in Prince George County, Burrell Green and Ann, his
wife, and Francis Poythress, of Surry County, sold to Robert Hunnicut, of
Prince George County, shoemaker, 200 acres, in Prince George County, on both
sides of the Easterly Run, the same being part of a patent for 1,000 acres
of land granted to Rebecca Poythress by an escheat patent bearing the date
of April 19, 1692, the moiety or one half of such land is in the possession
of Littlebury Eppes and 300 acres more of the said land was given to Rebecca
Poythress, the daughter of Rebecca Poythress the grantee, and the residue
thereof hereby granted was given to the aforesaid Ann, land bounded by said
Rebecca's 300 acres and the other side the courses of said patent and deed
of sale from Batts to Ardington. The witnesses were Joseph Simmons, Abraham
Odium and James Jones. Burrell Green may have been the son of Lewis Green.
Ann Green was the daughter of Charles Bartholomew and possibly Mrs. Rebecca
Poythress. Littlebury Epes (1664-1743) was the son of Francis Epes and
Elizabeth (Littlebury?). James Jones (-1742) was married to Sarah Edmunds.
On July 9, 1724, Captain Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, 387
acres of new land, on the upper or west side of Butterwood Swamp, in Prince
George County, beginning at the run upon the rock at the Beaver dam, to a
corner upon Woodlief's branch, then down Woodlief's branch as it meanders to
Butterwood Swamp. Francis Poythress was the father of Francis Poythress,
Gentleman, who recorded this land on September 22, 1739, as part of a 3,887
acre deed, after the death of his father.

Adjoining Property
On March 3, 1712, Robert Mumford, of Bristol parish, in Prince George
County, leased 430 acres, of farm land, to Richard Bland, of the City of
Williamsburg. The land was near Jordan's, between Deep Bottom and Cureton's
Bottom, and was in the occupation of Thomas Burge. Robert Mumford had
inherited 130 of the 430 acres from his father, James Munford, who had
bought 100 acres from Mr. Francis Poythress, and got the other 200 acres
from Colonel John Hardyman. The witnesses were Michael Wallace, Jane Wallace
and Dorothy Hillman. Robert Munford (1675-1735) was married to Martha
Kennon, daughter of Richard Kennon and Elizabeth Worsham.

Pertinent Property
On July 14, 1713, in Prince George County, Francis Mallory, Gentleman, of
Westover parish, in Prince George County, to John Hatch, Gentleman, of the
same, 150 acres in the same parish, bounded by the mouth of a bottom that
joins the land that Richard Baker gave Richard Pace, and Walpole's line,
Arthur Biggins and the main run, with all houses, etc. The witnesses were
Richard Pigon, Edward Goodrich and George Pasmore. Elizabeth, the wife of
Francis Mallory, released her dower.

[On September 15, 1717, in Surry County, George Passmore to William Raney,
150 acres on the south side of the Blackwater Swamp and bounded by William
Jones and Henry Jones. The witnesses were Robert Wynne, Burrell Green and
William Green.] [In Surry County, William Raines or Rainey also owned land
near the Greensville County area where John Duke, Henry Duke, and John
Taylor Duke settled for several decades. His land was on the south side of
Three Creeks and on the north side of Little Creek in Lawnes Creek parish,
bounded by land sold by James Washington to Nathaniel Harrison on June 14,
1725, with Sampson Lanier as witness.] [On January 16, 1726, in Surry
County, Thomas House, Jr., to William House, 175 acres on the north side of
Three Creeks, being part of a tract of 350 acres granted Thomas House on
February 22, 1724, bounded by George Passmore. The witnesses were Robert
Wynne, Burrell Green and William Green.]

[(1) Richard Pace had land on the north side of Three Creeks, in Surry
County, and adjacent to George Passmore and George Hamilton. (2) George
Hamilton was mentioned in a court case with John Poythress in 1717. (3)
George Hamilton was mentioned in a court case with a Francis Poythress in
April, 1739. (4) In 1733, Richard Pace sold land to his son-in-law, William
Johnson, husband of Mary Pace, in Surry County, adjacent to Nathaniel
Harrison. This was part of Richard Pace's 1,220 acres between Three Creeks
and the Otterdam swamp in Lawnes Creek parish. (5) Robert Wynne was a first
cousin of Rebecca Poythress. (6) Burrell Green was the name of Rebecca
Poythress' brother-in-law that married her sister, Anne. (7) I don't have
information on William Green's family but Richard and Rebecca Pace had
daughters, Amy and Frances, that married men with the last name of Green.
(8) I don't have information on Thomas House's family or William House's
family, but Richard and Rebecca Pace had a daughter, Sarah, that married a
House. (9) I don't know if Burrell Green or William Green are relatives of
Lewis Green but Lewis Green lived adjacent to William Rainey at the Woodyard
Swamp. (10) Thomas Poythress lived at the Woodyard Swamp. (11) Thomas
Poythress' land on the Woodyard Swamp went to Peter Green in 1732. Peter
Green was a son of Lewis Green. (12) I'm not sure which Henry Jones this
was, but a Henry and Catherine Jones were possibly the parents of Anne Jones
that married Peter Poythress, the Indian trader. (13) I'm not sure which
William Jones this was, but Peter Jones, the Indian trader, had a son named
William Jones. One of Sarah Walpole's husbands was a William Jones. In an
April 20, 1680, deed, Francis Poythress was mentioned as a neighbor of John
Williams and William Edmonds in Jordan's parish, near Bland's path. Williams
and Edmonds received fifty acres for paying Nicholas Whitmore's
transportation into the Colony. In an April 21, 1690, deed, Francis
Poythress' land and Nicholas Whitmore's land were listed adjacent to the
land of Adam Tapley and William Harrison in Jordan's parish. In a deed,
February 11, 1660, Richard Pace, the father of Richard that supposedly
married Rebecca Poythress, sold his land adjacent to Bland's path to William
Wilkins. Richard's widow, Mary Baker Pace, married Nicholas Whitmore in
1692. Richard Bland was involved with Richard Pace, Rebecca Coggin
Poythress, Thomas Poythress and others within the two families. Richard
Bland II married Anne Poythress, daughter of Peter Poythress and Anne
Jones.]

On January 5, 1714, in Prince George County, Arthur Biggins versus William
Short, a jury was empaneled with Robert Poythress and Edward Epes, among
others on the jury.

In Prince George County, the Will of Edward Goodrich, dated October 7, 1720,
proved January 10, 1721.
I give my loving Wife, one third part of this my plantation and one third
part of the land thereto belonging, during her natural life, I mean the
plantation I now live upon, together with four negroes whose names are
Mingo, Mary, Sarah, and Nanny, as also her choice of one featherbed and
furniture, three cows and calves, and one riding horse.
I give my daughter, Mary, three negroes, Betty, Patty and Beck, and their
increase, to her and her heirs forever two cows and calves, one featherbed.
I give my daughter, Elizabeth, three negroes, Aggie, Tom and Peter, one
featherbed, and two cows and calves, to her and her heirs forever.
I give my son Benjamin three negroes, Andrew, Little Mary and Little Andrew,
with the plantation I now live upon, and the whole tract of land thereto
adjoining, three cows and calves, one featherbed and furniture to him and
his heirs forever.
I give my son, Edward, all my tract of land and plantation called the High
Hills, in Surry County, containing 500 acres or thereabouts to him, and
three negroes, Will, Jack and Peter, the son of Sarah, to him and his heirs
forever, with three cows and calves, and one featherbed.
My desire is that plantation I bought of Cargill lying in Prince George
County, and all my land upon the Three Creeks, purchased of Richard Acock
and George Hunt, be disposed of by my executor and executrix hereafter named
for and toward the payment of all my just debts, and the residue if any to
be equally divided amongst my legatees above mentioned.
I give my Father and each of my sisters 10 shillings apiece to buy each of
them a ring, and to my Brother 10 shillings.
Lastly I appoint my Dear and loving Wife and Captain Henry Harrison my
executors of this my last Will and
testament, hereby disannulling and making void all former Wills and
testaments. In witness whereof I have hereunto affixed my seal and set my
hand, October 7, 1720. The witnesses were Ephraim Vernon, Gilbert Hay,
Arthur Biggins. At a court at Merchant's Hope for Prince George County, on
the second Tuesday, January, 10, 1721. The above written last Will and
testament of Edward Goodrich, deceased, was presented into court by Margaret
Goodrich an executrix named in the said Will, who made oath thereto, and it
being proved by the oaths of Gilbert Hay, Arthur Biggins, and Ephraim Vernon
witnesses thereto, is by order of the court recorded. And on the motion of
Margaret Goodrich and her giving Security according to law, Certificate is
granted her for obtaining a probate in due form.

On September 20, 1683, Mr. Thomas Anderson, was granted 400 acres, in
Westover Parish, Charles City County, on the south side of the James River,
adjoining Captain Robert Lucy, crossing the Cattail Maine branch and Mr.
Wallise's path. Robert Lucy was married to Sarah Barker, the daughter of
William Barker who founded Merchant's Hope plantation. James Wallace owned a
plantation at the mouth of Powell's Creek and one south of Thomas Anderson
on the Blackwater River and his path connected the two.

On February 9, 1722, Margaret Goodrich, the executrix of the last Will and
testament of Edward Goodrich, late of Prince George County, deceased, to
Abraham Odium, 100 acres, in Prince George County, hath let lease and to
term let, unto the said Abraham, land lying Martin's Brandon parish, in
Prince George County, bounded westerly on the old Town Run, northerly on
Phillip Jane and easterly on Edward Hill, deceased, and southerly on the
main woods and Richard Pace, land formerly purchased of and conveyed by John
Jane to Thomas Anderson in Charles City County, and by the said Anderson in
his last Will and testament given and devised to Mary, his relict, during
her natural life, and thereafter to come and descend to his eldest son,
James Anderson, and his heirs forever as by the said Will, proved and
recorded in the records of Prince George County, and by Cornelius Cargill
and Mary, his wife, the aforesaid relict of the said Thomas Anderson, and
also by the said James Anderson sold and conveyed to the aforesaid Edward
Goodrich, as by deeds for the same. Recorded January 4, 1721, and given to
and vested in the aforesaid Margaret, his executrix, to be sold for payment
of his debts as by the said Will. The witnesses were Richard Cureton, John
Chues and Charles Ryall. At a Court held at Merchants Hope for Prince George
County on the second Tuesday, February 13, 1722.

On February 1, 1726, Cornelius Cargill, of Martin's Brandon parish, in
Prince George County, to Robert Hunicutt, of Martin's Brandon, in Prince
George County, 150 acres, in Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince George
County, lying on the south side of the Cattail Swamp, on the north side of
the Blackwater Swamp, and on both sides of the Reedy Branch of the said
Cattail Swamp, formerly in the tenure, holding, and occupation of one Thomas
Anderson, now deceased, and by James Anderson and Charles Anderson, two of
the sons of the said Thomas Anderson, after his decease, sold and conveyed
to the said Cornelius Cargill, and to his heirs forever, that is to say, 150
acres of the aforesaid land was sold and conveyed to the said Cornelius
Cargill, by the aforesaid James Anderson, by deed dated the April 14, 1719,
and the same day acknowledged and recorded in Prince George County. And the
residue of the aforesaid tract of land was sold and conveyed to the said
Cargill by the aforesaid Charles Anderson by deed dated the March 10, 1718,
and the same day acknowledged, and recorded in the records of Prince George
County aforesaid. The witnesses were James Gee, James Fletch and William
Hamlin. Memorandum. On February 1, 1726, quiet and peaceable possession and
seizin of the houses, lands and premises above mentioned was delivered to
Robert Hunnicutt, and his heirs forever, by delivery of a turf and twig of
the said land.

On June 21, 1787, in Sussex County, Hadden Parham, of Sussex County, and
John Biggins, and his wife, Molley, of Prince George County, to James
Curaton, of Northampton County, North Carolina. Edward Smith, of Sussex
County, and Daniel Gurr, of Prince George County, by their deed of trust
July 2, 1784 appointed said Haddon Parham and John Biggins trustees, placing
in their trust land, negroes and other articles, including 183 acres on the
north side of the Indian Swamp, all to secure the payment of £381, 16
shillings, 2pence specie to the said Jame Cureton. Now the said Cureton has
become the purchaser of the said 183 acres for £70 specie. Said 183 acres is
where Edward Smith now resides, joining Frederick Smith, the Indian Swamp,
Poythress, Branch Mitchell and Thomas Weekes. The witnesses were Abraham
Parham Jr., William Niblet, Reaps Mitchell, McDuel Anderson.
On November 27, 1788, in Sussex County, James Cureton, of Mecklenburg
County, to William Cureton, of Prince George County, 183 acres, which James
Cureton had purchased from Haddon Parham and John Biggins June 21, 1787,
joining Frederick Smith, the Indian Swamp, Poythress, Branch Mitchell and
Thomas Weekes. The witnesses were Peter Williams, Hambleton Burge, John
Redding, Thomas Mitchell and Branch Mitchell.

As Witness
On July 1, 1707, Joshua Wynne, Gentleman, of Prince George County and wife,
Mary Wynne, sold to Benjamin Harrison, Esquire, of Charles City County, 150
acres, in Surry County, on the north side of the Nottoway River. Also
appeared in court were Francis Mallory and Francis Poythress who made oath
that they saw Mary, the wife of Joshua Wynne, relinquish her right of dower.
The witnesses were Francis Mallory, Francis Poythress and Thomas Wynne.
Francis Mallory (-1719) was the son of Thomas and Mary Mallory and the
husband of Elizabeth Goodrich. Thomas Wynne (c. 1657-1717) was the son of
Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary Poythress and the brother of Joshua Wynne.
Benjamin Harrison (1645-1712) was the husband of Hannah Churchill and the
son of Benjamin Harrison and Mary Stringer. Joshua Wynne (1661-1715) was
married to Mary Jones.
On March 27, 1712, in Prince George County, Stephen Evans, of Prince George
County, to John Evans of Prince George County, grants, and lets to farm, all
lands given said Stephen by Will of his father, John Evans, with all houses,
etc. The witnesses were Francis Poythress, Francis Poythress, Sr., and John
Pool.

Family Estates
In Prince George County, the Will of John Hamlin, in Prince George County,
dated November 11, 1724, proved May 11, 1725.
I give my son, John Hamlin, after his mother's decease, or marriage, the
plantation I now live on, 500 acres, to him and his heirs for ever; also
three slaves, Indian Peter, Matt and Grace, a feather bed and furniture, six
pewter dishes, a dozen plates, a middling iron pot, a frying pan, six
leather or rush chairs, my wearing apparel, my horse warrick, saddle and
trooping arms, and the mare he now claims, also I give my son, John, and to
his heirs, my plantation on the Three Creeks in Isle of Wight County, 170
acres, with six cows and six sows.
I give my son, Peter Hamlin, and his heirs, my plantation, called the
Hawksnest, 300 acres, also my negro woman, Amy, a featherbed and furniture,
six rush bottom chairs, six pewter dishes, and a dozen plates, an iron pot,
a frying pan, a well fixed gun, four sows, and a mare that he now claims.
I give my son, Charles Hamlin, and his heirs, the plantation at Merchant's
Hope Chapel, 200 acres, 100 formerly held by Robert Abernathy, and the other
100 to be laid off to him by his brother, John, out of my land next thereto
adjoining, also my negro woman, Aggy, a featherbed and furniture, six rush
bottom chairs, six pewter dishes, a dozen plates, an iron pot, a frying pan,
a well fixed gun, four cows, four sows and a mare that he now claims.
I give my two sons, Hubbord and William Hamlin, and their heirs, all my land
at the Fork of Nummisseen Creek, to be equally divided between my said two
sons, but if either of them chance to depart this life before he attain the
age of 21 years, the survivor is to have the whole tract, to him and his
heirs forever, I also give my son, Hubbord, and to his heirs, my negro boy,
Jack, a young horse or mare, a featherbed and furniture, six rush bottom
chairs, six pewter dishes, a dozen plates, an iron pot, a frying pan, a well
fixed gun, four cows and four sows.
I give my son, William Hamlin, and to his heirs, my negro boy, named Jamy, a
young horse or mare, a featherbed and furniture, six rush bottom chairs, six
pewter dishes, a dozen plates, an iron pot, a frying pan, a well fixed gun,
four cows, and four sows.
I give my daughter, Ann, my two negro children, Robin and Rachell, to her
and her heirs, but if my daughter, Ann, chance to depart this life before
she attains to the age of 21 years, or marriage, then I give the aforesaid
negro, Rachell, to my daughter, Mary, and to her heirs.
I direct that (as soon as conveniently may be) £100 current money, be laid
out and disposed by my executrix, and therewith bought two or more negro
boys, and two or more negro girls, out of which, I give to sons, Peter and
Charles, each a boy, and to my sons, Hubbord and William, each a girl, to be
severally held by my said sons, and their heirs.
I give my daughter, Mary Irby, the wife of John Irby, and to her heirs, the
negro girl or woman, now in her possession, which she chose in lieu of the
two negro children I first designed to give her.
After my debts and funeral expenses are paid and discharged, all the rest
and residue of my negroes, goods and chattels, I give to my loving wife
during her natural life or widowhood, and, if she does not marry again, at
her death it is my Will and desire that the same be equally divided between
my five sons, John, Peter, Charles, Hubbord and William, or the survivors of
them, but if my wife shall marry again, then I give to my said wife a child's
part of my estate, and she to surrender up the residue of my estate, except
my daughter, Ann's part, to my brothers, Thomas Ravenscroft and William
Hamlin, who I appoint trustees until my son, John, shall be of age. Also, if
any of my children should happen to die before they attain to the age of 21
years, or marriage, I direct that the negroes, except the girl, Rachell,
goods and chattels herein before given them that shall so die, shall be
equally divided between the survivors. Also, if any of my negroes herein
before given to my children, that is to say, to John, Peter, Charles,
Hubbord, William and Ann, shall happen to die or be taken in execution for
the discharge of any debt or claim against my estate, then it is my desire
that the same be made good to such child or children out of that part of my
estate left in the possession of my wife.
I appoint my loving wife, Ann Hamlin, to be executrix of this my last Will
and testament hereby revoking and making void all other Wills and testaments
by me at any time heretofore made. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my
hand and Seal, November 11, 1724. The witnesses were Peter Wynne, Frances
Wynne and H. Poythress. At a court held at Merchant's Hope, for Prince
George County, on the second Tuesday, May 11, 1725. The above written last
Will and testament of John Hamlin, deceased, was exhibited into court by Ann
Hamlin, his executrix, who made oath thereto and it being proved by the
oaths of Peter Wynne and Frances Wynne, two of the witnesses thereto, by
order of the court is truly recorded. And on the motion of the said Ann
Hamlin, and her giving Security according to law, Certificate is granted her
for obtaining a probate of the said Will in due form. Peter Wynne
(1690-1738) and Frances Wynne were witnesses. Peter Wynne was the son of
Joshua and Mary Wynne. Hannah Ravenscroft (-1765), wife of Francis Poythress
(1683-1738), was the sister or daughter of Thomas Ravenscroft and Elizabeth
Hamlin. John Hamlin was the son of John Hamlin and Elizabeth Taylor. His
wife, Ann Goodrich was the daughter of Charles Goodrich.

[On June 3, 1662, in Charles City County, at a court held at Westover, a
deed dated March 13, 1662, Richard Pace with the consent of my wife, Mary
Pace sell to Richard Taylor, land upon Powell's Creek, beginning at Buckland's
Island so up the creek to the road commonly called the Hawksnest and so
butting upon the Reedy Bottom as far as William Wilkin's plantation. The
witnesses were Caesar Walpole, John Hobbs, John Floriday and John Daniell.]
[On May 10, 1768, Leonard Claiborne, was granted 3,074 acres on the north
side of Nammusseen Creek, in Dinwiddie and Amelia counties, adjoining Robert
Bolling, ___Reese, ____Hamlin, formerly granted John Fitzgerald, the Elder,
by patent, no date for 2,836 acres.]

After Francis Poythress' Death
In March, 1738, in Prince George County, in the action of trespass in the
case brought by Francis Poythress against Charles Featherstone, the
plaintiff failing to prosecute, the case was dismissed.
In March, 1738, in Prince George County, in the petition of Joshua Poythress
and Francis Poythress against Hannah Poythress, executrix of Francis
Poythress, deceased, the case was continued to the next court.
In May, 1738, in Prince George County, in the petition of Joshua Poythress
and Francis Poythress against Hannah Poythress, executrix of the estate of
Francis Poythress, the petitioners failing to prosecute, the case was
dismissed.
On September 12, 1738, in Prince George County, Hannah Poythress being
summoned as evidence for Peter Wynne in the action of trespass brought
against him by Robert Moody and making oath that she had attended four days
on her motion it was ordered that the said Robert Moody pay her for the same
one hundred pounds of tobacco. On September 13, 1738, in Prince George
County, in the action on the case brought by Theophilus Field, Gentleman,
against Hannah Poythress, the plaintiff failing to prosecute, was dismissed.
On May 9, 1739, in Prince George County, in the suit for debt by Elizabeth
Ravenscroft, assignee of John Ravenscroft, the executor of Thomas
Ravenscroft, deceased, versus Edmond Irby, Peter Robins and Francis
Poythress. Court found for the plaintiff.
On August 14, 1739, in Prince George County, in the action of debts brought
by Elizabeth Ravenscroft assignee of John Ravenscroft, executor of the last
Will and testament of Thomas Ravenscroft, deceased, against Edmund Irby,
Peter Robins and Francis Poythress for £30 current money due by Bond the
defendants being called and failing to appear and the plaintiff making oath
to her Bond which is for £28, 14 shillings, and bears date November 11,
1736, on the motion of her attorney and pursuant to the conditional order of
the last court's judgements was granted and confirmed to her the said
plaintiff against the said defendants and William Eppes, late of this
county, for the aforesaid sum of £28, 14 shillings current money the
principal sum mentioned in the said Bond and the interest due thereon from
November 11, 1736, to the day of payment with the cost of suit and an
attorney's fee Als: Exeo.
On December 11, 1739, in Prince George County, Ravenscroft assignee of John
Ravenscroft, deceased, on judgement obtained against Edmund Irby, Peter
Robins, Francis Poythress, and William Eppes; Thomas Eldridge, Jr., one of
the under-Sheriffs of this county, made the above return which was recorded.
On September 16, 1740, Robert Ravenscroft to Burwell, 1,000 acres, in
Brunswick County, on the south side of Finney-Wood, adjoining John
Ravenscroft, on Possum Camp branch.
In William Byrd's diary, on July 26, 1741, Byrd noted that the weather was
warm and cloudy and that the wind was from the north. Byrd did not go to
church but put his things in order and wrote several letters. After church,
John Stith and his wife came by and dined. After dinner, John Ravenscroft
came by, as did Mr. Miller and his wife and Mrs. Poythress. In Charles City,
July 1741, there was a suit by Robert Poythress and Robert and Thomas
Poythress, executors of Joshua Poythress versus Benjamin Harrison. Joshua
Poythress had been quite wealthy, for his administrators gave bond at £5,000
current money when his Will was presented in court.
On May 7, 1741, in Brunswick County, upon the petition of Hannah Poythress
and John Ravenscroft, executors, &c., of Francis Poythress, deceased,
against John Smith for £13/9/11 the summon not being returned on the motion
of the petitioners by Clement Read their attorney a new summon was awarded
them against the said defendant returnable to the next court. On August 6,
1741, in Brunswick County, the case was discontinued, being agreed by the
parties upon the petition of Hannah Poythress and John Ravenscroft,
executors, &c., of Francis Poythress, deceased, against John Smith for
£13/9/11 said to be due upon an account. Case was dismissed for want of
prosecution.
On December 3, 1741, in Brunswick County, John Allen, Gentleman, assignee of
John Ravenscroft and Hannah Poythress, executors, &c., of Francis Poythress,
deceased, plaintiff, against William Battersby, defendant, in debt, was
discontinued for want of prosecution.
In 1742, Bath parish was created from part of Bristol parish. The early
churches of Bath parish were Sapony (1725-26) and Hatcher's Run (1738-1740),
both established in Bristol parish, and Butterwood (built before 1762).
These served the area that was to become Dinwiddie County. Sapony Church was
in the southern part of Bath, Hatcher's Run in the north, and Butterwood in
the west. Blanford (1734-1737), now in Petersburg, was a church of Bristol
parish.
On March 18, 1761, to Robert Hutchings, 16 acres, in Dinwiddie County,
adjoining Hanna Poythress, John Grant, Abner Grigg and Richard Taylor.
On March 18, 1761, in Dinwiddie County, John Hardy, 96¾ acres, adjoining
Hanna Poythress, John Grant, William Featherstone, William Eppes, James
Merrymoon and Zachary Overby.
On April 20, 1761, in Dinwiddie County, Robert Bolling, 350 acres, on both
sides of Bolling Run, in the counties of Dinwiddie and Prince George, on the
south side of the Appomattox River, adjoining Ravenscroft and Jones, Lewis
Parham, Thomas Goodwin and John Butler's Storehouse.
On September 25, 1762, to Robert Hutchings, 16 acres, in Dinwiddie County,
adjoining Hannah Poythress, John Grant, Abner Grigg and Richard Taylor.		01/21/2006 4:22:29
Frances Vaughn m. Thomas Wagnon]Albert Tims-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Frances Vaughn m. Thomas Wagnon
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:21:24 -0700
From: Murray
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In 1748, in Virginia, Frances Vaughn married Thomas Wagnon. They had a son named Thomas Poythress Wagnon. To my knowledge this is the first appearance of the name Poythress in the Wagnon lineage, It was followed by a grandson of the same name, as well as some others with Poythress in their names.
Does anyone know of a marriage between a Vaughn and a Poythress that may have led to Frances Vaughn??
I am a 5th greatgrandson of Frances Vaughn & Thomas Wagnon
Murray Wagnon		01/21/2006 7:55:51
Francis Poythress, son of John Poythress, of Deep Bottom, 3rd GenerationMichael TutorWe know that one of the Francis Poythress men married a Worsham. The choices
seem to be one of the Francis Poythress men of the 3rd generation or the 4th
generation. Due to the problem of separating the lives of these men, I have
placed documentation that appears to have similarities together in each
posting. Many of the names in these records are familiar to us; Hatcher,
Ward, Harris, Rowlett, Robertson, Osborne, Marshall, Royal, Gilliam,
Eldridge, Claiborne, Anderson, Mitchell, Standley, etc.

The Wills of John Poythress (1712) and John Worsham (1729) both mentioned a
grandson, Francis. These two grandsons are most likely different men.
However, both Wills are mentioned here.

I am also listing George Poythress and Charles Poythress here as they were
most likely the sons of one of the third generation Francis Poythress men.
The mother of George Poythress made her son executor of her (c. 1740) Will.
This may be an indication that Elizabeth Poythress, mother of George, was a
widow at the time of her death.

This Francis Poythress was not known to exist during the studies of Batte,
Smith and their contemporaries. It would have been interesting what
conclusions they would drawn.

The Third Generation: Francis Poythress, son of John Poythress, of Deep
Bottom
Inheritance
On December 11, 1712, the Will of Francis' father, John Poythress, Sr., of
Prince George County, was proved by John Winningham, Peter Leeth and William
Stainback. John Poythress, Sr., had appointed his half-brothers, Thomas
Wynne and Joshua Wynne, and his friend, William Stainback, to divide his
estate. He appointed Francis' mother, Christian, and Francis' oldest
brother, John Poythress, to be executors of his Will. He named his two
brothers, Thomas and Joshua Wynne, and William Stainback to divide his
estate. He gave his son, Francis, all of the land and plantation that he
lived on, two negroes, Coffer and Sis, and an equal share of his moveable
estate. He gave his grandson, Francis Poythress, son of Francis Poythress,
the negro child, Shu. The witnesses of the Will were John Winningham, Peter
Leeth, Thomas Leeth and William Stainback.

Family
Francis Poythress was born about 1680, the son of John Poythress and
Christian Peebles. His son, Francis Poythress, was mentioned in the 1712
Will of John Poythress. At the time of John Poythress' Will, this grandson,
Francis, was the only grandchild that he had.

82. Martha Worsham (Mary Wynne3, Joshua Wynne2, Mary ______1). She married
Seth Ward, son of Seth Ward and Ann Hatcher. He died 1734.
Children of Martha Worsham and Seth Ward are:
202 i. Seth Ward.
203 ii. Martha Ward. She married Bernard Williams. She married William
Harris.
204 iii. Elizabeth Ward.

Son, Francis Poythress
In Henrico County, the Will of John Worsham, dated June 9, 1729, proved
October 1, 1729.
To son John, plantation I live on, except a small parcel on head of my son,
William Worsham's plantation, he bought of John Ealam.
To son, William, all the rest of said plantation.
If above sons have no heirs, then all to Daniel Worsham's eldest daughter,
my granddaughter.
To my son, Daniel's widow, Judith, to live on my plantation at Coldwater
Run. (Daniel was the eldest son).
To son, John, silver tobacco box, seal gold ring, etc.
To son, William, items.
To daughters, Elizabeth Marshall, Frances Rowlett, Mary Robertson, Martha
Ward and Ann Osborn, each, 10 shillings.
To grandson, Francis Poythress, a negro, etc. when 21.
To grandson, Isham Epes.
To granddaughter, Obediance Worsham, a gold ring.
To son, Daniel's daughters' Phoebe, Martha and Elizabeth, a negro man and
various items to them and their mother, Judith, the widow of Daniel.
Rest to sons, John and William, and they to be executors. The witnesses were
Joseph Royall, James Thompson and Henry Royall.

Possible Son, George Poythress
On July 10, 1739, in Prince George County, in a suit by Thomas Eldridge,
attorney for our Sovereign Lord the King, against John Jones, on October 4,
1738, on his plantation in Martin's Brandon parish "failing to hire an
overseer as required by the Act of the Assembly and understating tithables,"
a jury was empaneled that included, among others, John Gilliam, Jr., and
George Poythress. The defendant was found guilty and fined 1,000 pounds of
tobacco.

Possible Son, Charles Poythress
In Chesterfield County, the Will of Elizabeth Anderson, of Dale Parish,
Chesterfield County, dated October 9, 1759, recorded in 1761.
To my daughter, Elizabeth Crowley, 1 negro.
To my grandson, John Poythress, 1 mulatto, and if he dies without heirs,
then to my son Claiborne Anderson.
To my grandson, John Anderson, 1 mulatto, and if he dies with out heirs,
then to my son Claiborne Anderson.
The rest of my estate to my son, Claiborne Anderson.
The witnesses were Henry Hamton, James Waldrop, John Waldrop and Penellope
Parrot.
Elizabeth Claiborne, daughter of William Claiborne III, married Ralph
Crawforth (Crawford), and was the mother of two children by him. Her
daughter, Catherine Crawforth, married Charles Poythress. Her daughter,
Elizabeth Crawforth, married Henry Anderson, Jr., the son of Elizabeth
Claiborne Crawforth Anderson's second husband, Henry Anderson. Henry
Anderson, Sr., died in 1734.

Recorded in September, 1761, in Chesterfield County, received of Mrs.
Elizabeth Anderson, widow and late administratrix of Ralph Crawford,
deceased , four negroes, Tom, Sue, Betty and Grissel, to Charles Poythress
on account of his marriage to his daughter, Elizabeth Crawford, on April 10,
1739. Signed by Henry Anderson. The witnesses were George Robertson,
Minister, James Mitcheal and Charles Poythress. (George Robertson was
married to Mary Worsham).

Recorded in January, 1762, in Chesterfield County, a marriage was intended
between Charles Poythress and Catherine Crawford, and this was an agreement
between them. It was agreed that the negroes, Jack, Abram, Tom, Nanny, Lett,
Sarah, Jenny, Bess and Hilly, which belong to Catherine Crawford, was to
remain her own property. Marriage agreement, Henrico County, April 9, 1739.
Signed by Charles Poythress and Catherine Crawforth. The witnesses were
James Mitchael, Henry Anderson and John Old.

As Witness
On June 30, 1709, John Elam, of Henrico County, to John Worsham, Jr., and
John Royall, Jr., land called Flinton's, 160 acres, in Henrico County, on
the south side of Flinton's Swamp, next to Bartholomew Stovall, Edward
Stratton, Arthur Mosely, William Clarke and Edward Standly. The witnesses
were Will Kennon, Thomas Eldridge and Thomas Randolph. The Deed of Livery
was witnessed by Francis Poythress and John Knibb. Edward Stratton was
married to Anne Batte (c. 1685-), the daughter of Henry Batte and Mary
Lound. Thomas Eldridge was married to Judith Kennon (1692-1759), the
daughter of Richard Kennon and Elizabeth Worsham. William Kennon
(1688-1751), brother of Judith Kennon, was married to Ann Epes, daughter of
Francis Epes and Anne Isham. Thomas Randolph (1683-1729), son of William
Randolph and Mary Isham, was married to Judith Fleming daughter of Charles
Fleming and Susanna Tarleton.

On March 27, 1712, in Prince George County, Stephen Evans, of Prince George
County, to John Evans of Prince George County, grants, and lets to farm, all
lands given said Stephen by Will of his father, John Evans, with all houses,
etc. The witnesses were Francis Poythress, Francis Poythress, Sr., and John
Pool.

Family Estates
On July 12, 1715, in Prince George County, on the motion of Thomas Harnison,
it was ordered that his Bond for the care and payment of the estates of two
of the orphans of Robert Drayton, deceased, be delivered to the care of
Francis and Peter Poythress, guardians to the said orphans. Francis and
Peter Poythress may have been guardians of their own young relatives in this
instance. Their grandmother, Elizabeth Bishop Peebles married John Drayton
after the death of her first husband, David Peebles, their grandfather.

After Elizabeth Poythress' Death
On February 12, 1740, in Prince George County, the last Will and testament
of Elizabeth Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by her son,
George Poythress, her executor who made oath thereto and its being proved by
the oath of Richard Bland, gentleman, one of the witnesses thereto, was
ordered to be recorded, and on the motion of the said George Poythress
certificate was granted him for obtaining Probate of the said Will in due
form.		01/21/2006 10:35:34
Francis Poythress, son of John Poythress, Jr., 4th GenerationMichael TutorThe Fourth Generation: Francis Poythress, son of John Poythress, Jr.
R. Bolling Batte on Francis Poythress
22. John Poythress (Francis Poythress2, Mary ______1) was born BEF 1688 in
VA [(P_1) DC], and died ABT 1724. He married Mary ______. She died AFT 1724.
Children of John Poythress and Mary ______ are:
74 i. John Poythress was born BEF 1724 in ~Virginia [(P_1) DCA].
75 ii. Elizabeth Poythress was born BEF 1724 in VA [(P_1) DCD].
76 iii. Rebecca Poythress was born BEF 1724 in VA [(P_1) DCE].
77 iv. Anne Poythress was born BEF 1724 in VA [(P_1) DCF].
+ 78 v. Francis Poythress was born 1707 in ~Virginia [(P_1) DCD], and died
ABT 1729.
79 vi. William Poythress was born AFT 1717 in VA [(P_1) DCC].

78. Francis Poythress (John Poythress3, Francis Poythress2, Mary ______1)
was born 1707 in ~Virginia [(P_1) DCD], and died ABT 1729. He married Hannah
(Georgianna) Ravenscroft in This family section needs more study., daughter
of ______ Ravenscroft and Hannah ______. She was born BET 1707 AND 1715.
Child of Francis Poythress and Hannah (Georgianna) Ravenscroft is:
195 i. Elizabeth Poythress was born 11 FEB 1729/30.

Family
Francis Poythress was born about 1713, the son of John Poythress and Mary
(Hardyman?).

Inheritance
In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, proved May 12, 1724.
I give my son John Poythress, and his heirs, my plantation where I now live,
containing 100 acres of land, as also 100 acres of land adjoining, called
Colebrooks, taking in the Ivey point, so running down Hugh Evans' Spring
Bottom to William Stainback's corner poplar, and also I give my said son,
John Poythress, and to his heirs, my tract of land lying on the south side
of the main Blackwater Swamp, not debarring his brothers, Francis and
William Poythress, from getting timber for their plantations' use, as also
giving them liberty to drive their stocks of hogs and cattle upon the land,
if they shall think fit, and if it should please God to take him out of the
world before he comes to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of his body
lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son, Francis
Poythress, should possess all of the above said lands as is mentioned, and
to his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, and his heirs, a tract or parcel of land
lying at and about the place called Brick Chimneys, binding upon my son,
John Poythress, and my brother, Thomas Poythress, so round the Deep Bottom,
taking in the whole tract or dividend of land, and if it should please God
to take him out of the world before he arrives to the age of 21 years, or
without heirs of his body lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is
that my son, William Poythress, should possess all of the above said land
mentioned, and to his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and their heirs, a tract or
parcel of land, containing 280 acres, joining to Thomas Poythress' land, so
running a south course over the horn branch, and so binding upon John Young's,
Dorrel Young's, and John Winningham's land, to be equally divided betwixt my
two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and to their heirs forever.
I give my son, William Poythress, and his heirs, one tract or parcel of
land, containing 150 acres, binding upon Thomas Poythress' and Thomas
Lovesay's land, formerly belonging to Joseph Patterson, called Powell's, and
if it should please God to take him out of the world before he arrives to
the age of 21 years, or without heirs of his body lawfully begotten, then my
will and pleasure is that my son, John Poythress, should possess the above
mentioned land, and his heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my, son John Poythress, a small featherbed and furniture, six new
rush leather chairs, one chest, one gun, and a mare, a young horse, and the
increase of her forever, to him and his heirs for ever.
I give my son, Francis Poythress, a small feather bed and furniture, one
young mare about three years old, and her increase to him and his heirs for
ever.
I give my son, William Poythress, a bay mare, and her increase, to him and
his heirs for ever.
I give my three sons, John, Francis and William Poythress, all of my stock
of hogs and cattle, to be equally divided amongst them, only what I shall
give hereafter unto my loving wife, Mary Poythress, which is four cows and
calves, and a parcel of hogs as uses about Colebrooks, about 20 or 30 of
them, and my will further is that as much of the stock be disposed of as
will be of value sufficient to enter and survey 400 acres of land in the
woods, according to the discretion of my executors, for my son, William
Poythress, and to be patented in his name, and then the remaining part of
the stock to be equally divided between my three sons, John, Francis and
William Poythress, and their heirs forever.
I give my three sons, John, Francis and William Poythress, my three negroes,
Betty, Judy and Grace, and their increase, to be equally divided when my
son, William Poythress comes to the age of 18 years, and my will and desire
is that my son, John Poythress, should have the aforesaid negroes, with
their increase, in his possession, when he shall attain to the age of 21,
and there to remain until my son, William, attains the age of 18 years, then
they and their increase to be equally divided between my three sons, John,
Francis and William Poythress, and to their heirs lawfully begotten forever.
I give my daughter, Rebecca Poythress, my negro man, Tom, and one featherbed
and furniture, to her and her heirs for ever.
I give my daughter, Elizabeth Poythress, my negro boy, Jamy, to her and her
heirs for ever.
I give my daughter, Ann Poythress, my negro boy, Will, to her and her heirs
for ever.
I give my loving wife, Mary Poythress, my negro man, Seipis(?), one
featherbed and furniture, four cows and calves and a parcel of hogs uses
about Colebrooks, and all my pewter, brass, and iron, as I am possessed
with, and my two working horses, and all the rest of the small matters as is
not mentioned in this my last Will and testament, to her and her heirs for
ever.
I appoint Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, pastor, my executors, of this
my last Will and testament. The witnesses were Francis Epes, Jr., William
Stainback and John Winningham. At a Court held at Merchant's Hope for Prince
George County, on Tuesday, May 12, 1724, the last Will and testament of John
Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert Poythress and John
Woodlief, his executors, who made oath thereto, and it was proved by the
oaths of Francis Epes, William Stainback and John Winningham. And on the
motion of the said Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, executors, and their
giving Bond and Security according to law, Certificate was granted them for
obtaining a probate of the said Will in due form. The Will was recorded,
August 11, 1724, at a court at Merchant's Hope, for Prince George County,
with an account of personal property items valued at £209/14/5. John
Stainback, John Winningham and William Stainback were the appraisers.		01/21/2006 10:45:37
Re: Frances Vaughn m. Thomas WagnonBarbara P. NealMurray, you should check our Poythress-List's archives if you have not
already done so, as I recall the Wagnon name has come up before &
perhaps one of those earlier messages may have had some helpful info
that I have not entered in my database.

The only Vaughn/Vaughan & Poythress marriage that I'm aware of, was more
than a century too late to be of any help to you. That marriage is
listed in the book "Marriages of Bute and Warren Counties, North
Carolina, 1764 - 1868" by Brent Holcomb. It gives abstracts of all
extant marriage bonds issued in Bute & Warren Counties, NC, from 1764 to
1868 when marriage bonds were discontinued. In the introduction, Holcomb
further notes that his "abstracts were made from a microfilm copy of the
bonds" (not further identified, but probably from NC Archives) and
"Additionally, abstracts of the entries in the marriage register for
Warren County, 1851-1867, are included as well, made from a microfilm
copy (North Carolina Archives microfilm C.100.63002)."

This book lists a marriage between N.D. Vaughan and Mary E. Poythress
dated 17 May 1861. (She was daughter of David Poythress & Mary Speed
Dortch.)

Good luck in your research.
Barbara

1/21/2006 Albert Tims wrote:
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Frances Vaughn m. Thomas Wagnon
> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:21:24 -0700
> From: Murray
> To:
>
> In 1748, in Virginia, Frances Vaughn married Thomas Wagnon. They had
> a son named Thomas Poythress Wagnon. To my knowledge this is the first
> appearance of the name Poythress in the Wagnon lineage, It was followed
> by a grandson of the same name, as well as some others with Poythress in
> their names. Does anyone know of a marriage between a Vaughn and a
> Poythress that may have led to Frances Vaughn??
> I am a 5th greatgrandson of Frances Vaughn & Thomas Wagnon
> Murray Wagnon
>
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> www.poythress.net		01/21/2006 12:23:46
picture on websiteTo All,
I have a question about the picture on the website of Horace Cullen
Poythress family. Who placed this on the website? I am asking because it had been
awhile since I had looked at those pictures and last night I looked at them and
realized that I have a copy of that picture (from my mom's picture
collection,of her parents Delzie & Virginia),

Barbara thanks for the DNA stuff!
Teresa Willis



01/22/2006 12:40:01
Re: picture on websiteBarbara P. NealTeresa - COOL to learn that your mom's photo collection included the
same photo as posted on our Poythress research website (www.poythress.net)
of the family of Horace Cullen Poythress (b.1867; d.1918) & Flossie O.
Wells! I feel sure the photo was submitted by Maynard, since those are
his direct ancestors.

To me, this indicates that your mom's (and your Uncle Neil Poythress')
ancestors were quite possibly "cousins" of Horace Cullen Poythress.
Since you & your family are known descendants of Lewis Poythress, this
is quite interesting.

Thanks so much for letting us know
Barbara		01/22/2006 12:42:11
Re: picture on website of Charles Poythress of Northampton Co groupBarbara P. NealHi Crystal,
Before I get into trying to answer/accomplish that, could you please do
me a favor Crystal & go to the website (www.Poythress.net) and look down
thru the "Family Photographs & Artifacts" section of it, and check out
the 4th item down, which is a photo of "Charles David Poythress and
family circa 1891" You can make the photo larger than the thumbnail
version by clicking on it with your mouse. Look carefully at the father
in the photo.

If your photo is of the *same* man (with or without the mustache),
please let me know. Seems to me from our Poythress-researchers dinner in
Richmond, VA years ago, that we saw several photos of him that night,
and maybe one of them was yours? (By the way, this Charles David
Poythress was a photographer in NC & he was an ancestor of BPW, as has
been mentioned previously on our List.)

I'd appreciate it if you would please attach a copy of your photo of
"Charles Poythress of Northampton County group" to an email addressed
personally to me at bp_neal@earthlink.net

Look forward to learning if yours is the same man already on the website.
Thanks so much.
Barbara

1/23/2006 Crystal wrote:
> Barbara,
> I have a picture of Charles Poythress of Northampton County group. How can I put it on the website?
> Crystal		01/23/2006 7:53:32
RE: picture on websiteJohn M. PoythressTeresa, that is none other than my grandfather and grandmother and 5 of
their eventual 9 children. The
child in the infant dress of the time is my father.
My father was born 19 Jan 1908 and I make the child about one year old
which dates the picture to early 1909. It was taken in Screven County,
GA.

What puzzles me is that by the time of that picture we're
4 generations away from Mecklenburg County. The father in the pic (H.
C. Poythress) was son of John M. Poythress, son of Meredith Poythress,
Jr. son of Meredith Poythress, Sr. who seems to be the last one born in
VA.....somewhere around 1760 since he was m. in 1781.

I'm just fascinated by the fact that a family association would be kept
going 150 years with the principles living
600 or 700 miles apart. Meredith, Sr. would have been Lewis' brother if
indeed that is the connection which seems likely.

I doubt if Horace Cullen Poythress ever left Screven County to go
further than Savannah and I'm relatively sure my own father never went
to Mecklenburg County. But somebody got a copy of that picture and sent
it up there! I suppose it's anybody's guess.

Maynard



-----Original Message-----
From: Vadixyluvr@aol.com [mailto:Vadixyluvr@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:40 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: picture on website

To All,
I have a question about the picture on the website of Horace Cullen
Poythress family. Who placed this on the website? I am asking because
it had been
awhile since I had looked at those pictures and last night I looked at
them and
realized that I have a copy of that picture (from my mom's picture
collection,of her parents Delzie & Virginia),

Barbara thanks for the DNA stuff!
Teresa Willis


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Re: picture on websiteCrystalBarbara,
I have a picture of Charles Poythress of Northampton County group. How can I put it on the website?
Crystal

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Barbara P. Neal"
>Sent: Jan 22, 2006 10:42 PM
>To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: picture on website
>
>Teresa - COOL to learn that your mom's photo collection included the
>same photo as posted on our Poythress research website (www.poythress.net)
>of the family of Horace Cullen Poythress (b.1867; d.1918) & Flossie O.
>Wells! I feel sure the photo was submitted by Maynard, since those are
>his direct ancestors.
>
>To me, this indicates that your mom's (and your Uncle Neil Poythress')
>ancestors were quite possibly "cousins" of Horace Cullen Poythress.
>Since you & your family are known descendants of Lewis Poythress, this
>is quite interesting.
>
>Thanks so much for letting us know
>Barbara
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Re: picture of Charles Lee PoythressBarbara P. NealYes, Crystal, his picture looks different from the other Poythress
photos on the website, though I think I can see enough resemblance
showing his Poythress line.

I have a couple questions for you, Crystal, re a proposed caption to
include with his picture (see below) for sending to Al, hoping I might
get his attention & enough of his time to post the photo:
- Do you want me to put his full birth & death dates, as you gave me,
or just stick with years of birth & death?
- Do you want to include that he was, you "THINK the great grandson of
Hardiman Poythress and Elizabeth Golder of Prince George County, VA"?
- Do you want any dates of his parents' & his grandparents' lives
included, perhaps in parentheses after their names, if he has space for
those?

Charles Lee Poythress lived 1869-1952; born & died in Northampton Co,
NC; son of Richard Poythress & Ada Turner; grandson of James Poythress &
Sarah Crowder

Thanks for the jpg of his picture.
Barbara (BPN)		01/24/2006 5:20:45
Publish & update it when new info is foundBarbara P. NealI'm busily moving all my genealogy stuff from one home to another &
trying to get it into some retrievable order. In the process, some
interesting things pop up.

Some of you may recall that 2 yrs ago, on 1/13/04, Maynard posted a
quote from Dick Eastman's free genealogy column about "Surprises in the
Family Tree" in which Eastman reported that Paul Heinegg's then
newly-published books (Free African Americans of North Carolina, South
Carolina and Virginia; and Free African Americans of Maryland and
Delaware) alerted him that his (Heinegg's) conclusion was that most free
African-American and biracial families resulted not from a master and
his slave, like Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings, but from a white
woman and an African man, whether slave, freed slave or indentured servant.

Eastman said that in describing Heinegg's book, Dr. Ira B. Berlin, a
professor of American history at the University of Maryland and the
founding director of the Freedmen and Southern Society Project there,
stated, "If any branch of your family has been in America since the 17th
or 18th centuries, it's highly likely you will find an African and an
American Indian." Maynard also gave us Eastman's listed then-link to the
New York Times story about the January 8, 2004 article regarding
Heinegg's good work ("Surprises in the Family Tree" by Mitchell Owen),
and a link to where one can read more about Paul Heinegg's books at
http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/. This link still works, and the
site includes a lot of information about free Africans in the United
States as well as many pictures.

What popped up for me today, was copies of a message I shortly after
that sent to Paul Heinegg & his response to me. I don't think I ever
shared this info with our List, and I want to do so now:

I explained to Mr. Heinegg that after reading the Owen article
(mentioned above), I had an even greater appreciation for his work,
which I had consulted during the previous year, and I wrote: "I have a
question for you, and hope that you might have time to respon to it,
though I can certainly understand if you do not have time for questions
such as this. In your 1992 volume, Free African Americans of NC & VA,
listed were not only
- Odam Poythress (b. about 1755) and
- Hardimon Poythress (b. about 1757), and their probable children and
other descendants, but also information about
- William Poythress of Bertie Co, NC, which mentioned that perhaps his
children were the above-mentioned Odam and Hardimon."

I noted "Since your more recent 4th Edition for VA, NC & SC, 2001
volumes (and the listing at your website of
www.freeafricanamericans.com) no longer list William Poythress of Bertie
Co, but still list Odam and Hardimon, I am curious as to why William is
no longer listed?"

His response was a good lesson for all of us. He wrote that he didn't
recall when he had realized that the William Poythress of Bertie County
and his descendants were white, but that was why he had removed William
from later editions. He further noted that in the late 1980s he met an
elderly gentleman who had spent his entire life researching his family
but was waiting to publish since he was constantly finding new
information. His house burned down and he lost it all. So the moral was
to publish what you have and update it later whenever you get new
information. He told me he had been doing so since 1991; thus the change
re William Poythress.

We should all do our best to publish, at *least* to our Poythress-List
(where the messages are archived & searchable), our findings and our
efforts to unravel our Poythress puzzles. And then update it when we
learn more. Michael Tutor has been doing us a huge favor by trying to
compile what is known about many of the early Poythress men. We should
all do our best to help seek out info we have found, that Michael
doesn't have, and share it here so that info can be added to those life
stories. I intend to do better on this, and I hope each of you will,
too. We'll all benefit, folks.

Barbara		01/25/2006 1:21:00
Carol Morrison's email address help neededBarbara P. NealI've tried Carol's earlier addresses & gotten bounces. Carol, if you're
still monitoring the List, or if anyone has a current address for her,
I'd sure appreciate a good address.

Thanks,
Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net



01/25/2006 3:36:03
RE: Carol Morrison's email address help neededJohn M. PoythressBarb, it's: carolamorrison@nc.rr.com

I just got it from Nola Duffy who is taking over the Dinwiddie wire as
Carol has just resigned it. I will be sending Carol a thank you for all
the material she allowed us to use.

Nola was unsure if Carol was retiring completely or just
cutting back on some of her activities. The Dinwiddie board is not
exactly hopping with action anyway; most of those records went after the
siege of Petersburg.

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:36 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Carol Morrison's email address help needed

I've tried Carol's earlier addresses & gotten bounces. Carol, if you're
still monitoring the List, or if anyone has a current address for her,
I'd sure appreciate a good address.

Thanks,
Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net


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www.poythress.net		01/25/2006 7:44:20
Re: Francis Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia, Part 4Barbara P. NealThanks so much, Mike, for getting us these 4 messages re Francis
Poythress of Greene Co, GA. Great work!		01/26/2006 2:15:03
Re: Francis Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia, Part 4Michael TutorAmazing! I had to keep dividing the remaining part to get it all to post. I
tried the third part of the virtual census by twenty years and then by ten
years. No go.....Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Francis Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia, Part 4


> Thanks so much, Mike, for getting us these 4 messages re Francis Poythress
> of Greene Co, GA. Great work!
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>		01/26/2006 3:23:17
Re: Follow-up re William Poythress of Bertie Co, NC from Heinegg's infoMichael TutorIn the "life stories," I have mentioned that William Poythress, of Bertie
County, was probably the youngest son of John Poythress, Jr., as he is shown
with an Abington. An Abington married John Poythress, Junior's wife after
his death.........Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: Follow-up re William Poythress of Bertie Co, NC from Heinegg's info


> After my posting last night "Publish & update it when new info is found"
> mentioning Paul Heinegg's books, one of our List subscribers asked me:
> "When Heinegg said that he realized that William Poythress, of Bertie
> County, was white, did he happen to mention what became of William or who
> William's children were?"
>
> Heinegg didn't address any of that with me, but I'll recap here what I can
> glean about William Poythress from Heinegg's excellent books that I've
> seen. I'm sure there are more references to William Poythress of Bertie
> Co, NC than the this covers.
>
> In his book, Free African Americans of NC & VA Including the family
> histories of more than 80% of those counted as "all other free persons"
> in the 1790 & 1800 census (Baltimore: Clearfield Company, 1992) is the
> only place I found William (logically, since as Heinegg told me later,
> he later realized William was white, & he removed him from subsequent
> books).
>
> In that book, the info on William Poythress was as shown in the next
> paragraph. All counties Heinegg's paragraph mentions are NC counties;
> I'm using abbreviations for months and for "county" & I'll insert his
> source citations in brackets along with any comments I have. The
> parenthesis about Outlaw is Heinegg's parenthetical note. At the
> conclusion of his paragraph on William, Heinegg then indicated that
> "Perhaps his children were Rachel Outlaw; Odam, born about 1755; and
> Hardimon, born about 1757." Please note that this is the info corrected
> by Heinegg in his later volumes; later he indicated NO parent's name for
> Odam or Hardimon, and he had NO "Outlaw" listed. It seems to me that
> Rachel Outlaw was likely the daughter of his neighbor; perhaps she
> helped care for him at some point.
>
> Heinegg wrote: William Poythress of Bertie County purchased 100 acres on
> Jumping Run adjacent to John Harrell on 8 Sep 1753 [Bertie Co, NC DB H,
> p.42], and he and his wife, Sarah, sold this land three years later on
> 21 Oct 1756 [Bertie Co, NC DB H, p.387]. He was called William Poythress
> of Hertford Co on 9 Oct 1764 when he sold 140 acres in Bertie Co between
> the lines of William and Thomas Outlaw [Bertie Co, NC DB K, p.481]. He
> was ordered by the Feb 1764 Bertie Court to serve on the grand jury
> [Bertie Co, NC County Court Minutes Bk III, p.647], and the same court
> allowed him to keep a tavern at his dwelling house [Bertie Co, NC County
> Court Minutes Bk III, p.648]. He won a judgment for 6 pounds 5 shillings
> against William Bryan in the June 1765 Bertie Court [Bertie Co, NC
> County Court Minutes Bk III, p.710]. In Dec 1768 he made a Northampton
> Co deed of gift of household goods to Richard Outlaw for affection he
> had for (his daughter?) Rachel Outlaw [4:196 -- this probably indicates
> Heinegg was citing Northampton Co, NC Co DB 4, p.196, though I'm not
> sure since I neglected to get the full citation for this one]. He was
> taxed on 150 acres in Hertford Co in 1779 [GA 30.1 -- this is Heinegg's
> citation for the NC Archives holding for this 1779 tax list -- see below
> for more]
>
> = = =
> 1779 Hertford Co, NC tax list: this is the earliest preserved tax list
> for Hertford Co, which was formed in 759 from parts of Bertie, Chowan, &
> Northampton counties. An in NC Genealogy, Summer 1967 issue (Vol. XIII,
> No.2) listed only the names, with the caution that the original tax list
> showed additional info: # acres of land; # slaves; money on hand; #
> horses & cattle; and total amt of taxable property. In that abstract,
> the name "Wm Poythress" is in Hertford County's 4th District on p.71 of
> the tax list.
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>		01/26/2006 3:28:40
Francis Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia, 5th Generation, part 1Michael TutorThe numerous group of men named Francis Poythress make it an extreme
challenge to separate their lives. In 1763, in Dinwiddie County, Leonard
Claiborne, Jr., was involved in a case against the executors of a Francis
Poythress. Many Claibornes and many Poythresses moved to Georgia. The
Francis Poythress, Jr., mentioned in the 1763 cases in Dinwiddie County may
have been the Francis Poythress that made the move to Georgia with his
relatives, the Claibornes. In 1760, another familiar name, William Glascock,
of Dinwiddie County, was mentioned in a deed that was witnessed by a Francis
Poythress and a John Poythress. At first glance, it would appear that this
Francis Poythress and this John Poythress were sons of John Poythress, Jr.,
and could possibly lead to the conclusion that Francis Poythress, Jr., was
the grandson of John Poythress, Jr., and was the Francis Poythress that
moved to Georgia.

The Fifth Generation: Francis Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia
Inheritance
In 1763, in Dinwiddie County, the charges were denominated in pounds of
tobacco, for which it was likely warehouse receipts were used to pay the
bill. Robert Hutchings, Lunenburg County, February, 1763, order to abate
suit versus F. Poythress.

Leonard Claiborne, Jr., February, 1763, dismissed versus F. Poythress. May,
1763, judgement versus F. Poythress' executors.

Francis Poythress, Prince George County, March, 1763, subpoena in
Chancellory versus F. Poythress, Jr., docketing, attorney, continuance.
June, 1763, continuance. August, 1763, continuance. October, 1763,
continuance versus F. Poythress.
William Black, March, 1763, subpoena for witnesses versus Poythress. June,
1763, order for attendance, trial, judgement, executive order, &c. July,
1763, executive order, &c., versus F. Poythress. September, 1763, executive
order versus Do. February, 1764, executive order, &c. September, 1763, Writ
of execution versus L. Claiborne, Jr., Special Bill for Poythress,
docketing, attorney, dismissed, file papers.
Peter Stainback, May, 1763, capias versus F. Poythress, docketing, attorney,
declaration, dismissed, file papers; petition, &c., judgement versus
Poythress and Rees, attorney. June, 1763, Capias versus Poythress,
docketing, attorney, declaration, order to abate suit, file papers.
Francis Poythress and John Evans, Prince George County, May, 1763, recording
Jones' and wife's deed to you.
Stephen Dance, June, 1763, attorney ads F. Poythress.
Thomas Welch, assignee of Francis Poythress, May, 1763, continuance versus
Smith's executors. November, 1763, judgement.
Peter Bland and Co, Prince George County, order versus F. Poythress, plea.
June, 1763, trial versus F. Poythress, judgement. July 2, 1763, executive
order.
Joseph Williamson, Brunswick County, June, 1763, continuance versus F.
Poythress on petition. August, 1763, continuance. Judgement, November, 1763,
executive order.
Colonel John Jones, September, 1763, executive order, &c., versus F.
Poythress. August, 1763, file deponents ads F. Poythress, copy four
deponents.
Edward Lewis, August, 1763, capias versus F. Poythress, docketing,
declaration, dismissed.
Francis Poythress, Peter Woodlief and wife, and Leonard Claiborne, Jr., and
wife, August, 1763, continuance versus Ruffin.

Adjoining Property
On July 10, 1745, Burnell Claiborne, was granted 150 acres, in Prince George
County, on both sides of the south side of the White Oak Swamp and bounded
by Captain Francis Poythress' line, Fitzgerald's Mill Path, and Stewart's
line. [September 22, 1739, originally adjoining Captain Francis Poythress
and later, Francis Poythress, Gentleman.]
On July 25, 1746, to Edward Thomas, 168 acres, in Prince George County,
between Butterwood and Tommahitton Swamps, adjoining Eaton, Ornsby, Beal,
Poythress and Fisher.
On June 25, 1747, James Fisher, was granted 200 acres, in Prince George
County, on the south side of Butterwood Swamp, adjoining William Eaton and
Poythress.
On June 13, 1752, Burnell Claiborne entered a caveat against Edmund
Poythress concerning a grant of 400 acres on the Nottoway River, in
Lunenburg County, on which the Virginia Council found that a patent should
be issued to Francis Poythress, son and heir of Francis Poythress.
On June 19, 1760, Matthew Ornsby, of Amelia County, to William Glascock, of
Dinwiddie County, 400 acres, in Amelia County, on both sides of Butterwood
Creek and bounded by John Lewis, Haynes, North Branch, George Lewis, Steger
and Hood. The witnesses were Francis Poythress, John Poythress, James
Hinton, John Hightower, Jr., and Edmund Poythress.

Civic activities
On October 4, 1787, in Greene County, Georgia, inventory and appraisement of
the estate of Dorothy Ashield, deceased, given in by Francis Poythress,
sworn appraisal.
On April 17, 1788, in Greene County, Georgia, an account of the sale of the
estate of Stephen Parker, late of Greene County, deceased, made by Captain
James Alford, administrator, May 3, 1788. Persons sold to included Francis
Poythress.

Property: Personal Property
In 1762, in Chesterfield County, Francis Poythress, was listed in the
tithables.
On July 23, 1765, in Chesterfield County, Francis Poythress, of Prince
George County, sold to Thomas Walke, all my right in slaves now in
possession of Hannah Poythress, Mary Poythress and Peter Woodlief, which
were devised by my grandfather, after the death of his wife, to be divided
among his children. Poythress acquits all of his right to said Walke. The
witnesses were Peter Warren, Nicholas Sims, Robert Poole and Henry Warren.
On May 10, 1768, in Dinwiddie County, Leonard Claiborne, 3,074 acres on the
north side of Nammusseen Creek, in Dinwiddie and Amelia Counties, adjoining
Robert Bolling, ------ Reese, ------ Hamlin, formerly granted to John
Fitzgerald, the Elder, by patent, no date, for 2,836 acres.

(From Norma Jean): Leonard Claiborne received grants for land in Georgia as
did many earlier Poythress family members prior to 1803 via a headright
system, which entitled each head of a family to 200 acres and 50 acres for
each additional member of his family up to 1,000 acres. The land had to be
surveyed and certified and a grant had to be issued and registered by a
certain time frame. Records show that he was there in March, 1769, and was
granted land in St. Paul's parish in September, 1769, for 850 acres (meaning
200 for him and 13 family members). By 1769, he had completed the grant
procedure. Obtaining land in Georgia was changed to a lottery system after
1803. Georgia had operated a bit differently from Virginia's early land
acquisitions. Those 13 family members may have included relatives living
with Leonard. Besides his wife, and perhaps a child or two, there seems to
be no evidence that he had enough children to account for that number.
Regarding Georgia County locations, Georgia began in the Savannah area much
like Virginia began in Jamestown. We gradually conquered and obtained lands
and moved west and north. Eight parishes were formed in 1735, that included
St. Paul's' between what is now Savannah and Augusta. By 1765, four more
parishes were formed and eventually counties such as Greene, in 1786, from
Washington County which was formed in 1784 from ceded land from the Creek
Indians. These "counties" were all close enough for these people to travel
and settle and still be related. Poythress families arriving in Georgia
could have come from Virginia with Leonard and his Poythress wife, who
appears to have been the daughter of Francis (deceased 1738) and Hannah.		01/26/2006 3:57:21
Francis Poythress, of Greene County, 5th Generation, part 2Michael TutorOn October 20, 1775, in the Virginia Gazette, "to be sold on Monday, 6
November, if fair, otherwise next fair day at the plantation of Mr. John
Walton, near Augusta town, in Georgia, several slaves being residue of all
those formerly in possession of Mr. Leonard Claiborne which were of the
estate of Francis Poythress, deceased, and condemned to the plaintiffs in a
suit in chancery October 15, 1764. Six months credit will be allowed the
purchasers giving bond with approved security. William Glascock."
In 1785, in Wilkes County, Georgia, Francis Poythress, was taxed for 100
acres in Washington County, Georgia. He was living west of the Ogeechee
River, south of South Fork, therefore east of the "temporary line"
considered by surveyors and residents of both Washington and Wilkes Counties
to be the boundary between the two counties. The area was placed into Greene
County on February 3, 1786. MP: This is assumed to be the same Francis
Poythress based on location of property, see below. Also, from Early Records
of Georgia, Wilkes County, Vols. 1 & 2, is listed "Francis Poythress 1 poll,
100 acres, Capt. Thompson's District, Benjamin J. Thompson, Esqr."
On July 19, 1792, in Greene County, Georgia, Michael Rogers, of Greene
County, planter, to Zachariah Bayes, of Wilkes County, planter; whereas
Michael Rogers together with Francis Poythress, by their certain bond, dated
February 22 last stand unto the said Bayes in the sum of £1,000 on condition
that when Berry Rogers, son of the said Michael, comes of age shall
relinquish all right, etc., to the said gift alluding to a deed or will made
by said Boyes, as it is said, unto the said Berry of a negro man slave,
named Osborn, and a girl, named Phillis, and sundry other articles which
deed was made when the said Boyes was deprived of his reason by
intoxication; the said Michael Rogers for £1,000 and for better securing the
payment thereof in case said Berry Rogers shall neglect or refuse to
disclaim all right to said negroes mentioned in the clandestine deed of gift
dated October 26, 1791, and for securing the same in case Zachariah Boyes be
disturbed by said Berry Rogers, and in consideration of the further sum of 5
shillings paid to Michael paid by Zachariah, 200 acres on the south fork of
the Ogeechee whereon the said Rogers now resides adjoining the lands of
Henry Peeks, Abraham Lawrance, John Rogers and Thomas Credile, also one
negro boy, named Phill, horses and cattle. If the said Berry Rogers, shall
within 10 years relinquish all claims to the aforesaid negroes, Osborn and
Phillis, etc. The witnesses, John Armor, J. P., and Seaborn Jones.
In 1793, in Greene County, Georgia, taxpayer, Francis Poythress, of Greene
County, Georgia, on land adjoining John Johnston, in Captain Whitefield's
District, Green County.
On February 11, 1794, in Greene County, Georgia, Michel Rogers and Francis
Poythress, of Greene County, promised to pay to Zachariah Bays, or his
heirs, the sum of £100. The consideration of the above obligation is such
that whereas there was a Deed of Gift on the record of Superior Court from
the said Zachariah Bays for two negroes, Osborn and Phillis, to Berry
Rogers, son of Michael Rogers, and Frances Porter shall in behalf of Berry
Rogers when he shall come of age relinquish and disclaim all right title or
demand of said Deed of Gift, then above obligation to be void. The witnesses
were William Heard, and Wooton Oneal. And was proved by William Heard who
also saw Wooton Oneal.

On November 30, 1801, in Greene County, Georgia, 100 acres, on the waters of
Shoulderbone Creek, bounded at the time of the survey by Poythress.		01/26/2006 4:12:56
Fw: Follow-up re William Poythress of Bertie Co, NC from Heinegg's infoMichael TutorAfter sending this, I noticed that the posting that I mentioned has never
posted.....Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Tutor"
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: Follow-up re William Poythress of Bertie Co, NC from Heinegg's
info


> In the "life stories," I have mentioned that William Poythress, of Bertie
> County, was probably the youngest son of John Poythress, Jr., as he is
> shown with an Abington. An Abington married John Poythress, Junior's wife
> after his death.........Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barbara P. Neal"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:06 PM
> Subject: Follow-up re William Poythress of Bertie Co, NC from Heinegg's
> info
>
>
>> After my posting last night "Publish & update it when new info is found"
>> mentioning Paul Heinegg's books, one of our List subscribers asked me:
>> "When Heinegg said that he realized that William Poythress, of Bertie
>> County, was white, did he happen to mention what became of William or who
>> William's children were?"
>>
>> Heinegg didn't address any of that with me, but I'll recap here what I
>> can glean about William Poythress from Heinegg's excellent books that
>> I've seen. I'm sure there are more references to William Poythress of
>> Bertie Co, NC than the this covers.
>>
>> In his book, Free African Americans of NC & VA Including the family
>> histories of more than 80% of those counted as "all other free persons"
>> in the 1790 & 1800 census (Baltimore: Clearfield Company, 1992) is the
>> only place I found William (logically, since as Heinegg told me later,
>> he later realized William was white, & he removed him from subsequent
>> books).
>>
>> In that book, the info on William Poythress was as shown in the next
>> paragraph. All counties Heinegg's paragraph mentions are NC counties;
>> I'm using abbreviations for months and for "county" & I'll insert his
>> source citations in brackets along with any comments I have. The
>> parenthesis about Outlaw is Heinegg's parenthetical note. At the
>> conclusion of his paragraph on William, Heinegg then indicated that
>> "Perhaps his children were Rachel Outlaw; Odam, born about 1755; and
>> Hardimon, born about 1757." Please note that this is the info corrected
>> by Heinegg in his later volumes; later he indicated NO parent's name for
>> Odam or Hardimon, and he had NO "Outlaw" listed. It seems to me that
>> Rachel Outlaw was likely the daughter of his neighbor; perhaps she
>> helped care for him at some point.
>>
>> Heinegg wrote: William Poythress of Bertie County purchased 100 acres on
>> Jumping Run adjacent to John Harrell on 8 Sep 1753 [Bertie Co, NC DB H,
>> p.42], and he and his wife, Sarah, sold this land three years later on
>> 21 Oct 1756 [Bertie Co, NC DB H, p.387]. He was called William Poythress
>> of Hertford Co on 9 Oct 1764 when he sold 140 acres in Bertie Co between
>> the lines of William and Thomas Outlaw [Bertie Co, NC DB K, p.481]. He
>> was ordered by the Feb 1764 Bertie Court to serve on the grand jury
>> [Bertie Co, NC County Court Minutes Bk III, p.647], and the same court
>> allowed him to keep a tavern at his dwelling house [Bertie Co, NC County
>> Court Minutes Bk III, p.648]. He won a judgment for 6 pounds 5 shillings
>> against William Bryan in the June 1765 Bertie Court [Bertie Co, NC
>> County Court Minutes Bk III, p.710]. In Dec 1768 he made a Northampton
>> Co deed of gift of household goods to Richard Outlaw for affection he
>> had for (his daughter?) Rachel Outlaw [4:196 -- this probably indicates
>> Heinegg was citing Northampton Co, NC Co DB 4, p.196, though I'm not
>> sure since I neglected to get the full citation for this one]. He was
>> taxed on 150 acres in Hertford Co in 1779 [GA 30.1 -- this is Heinegg's
>> citation for the NC Archives holding for this 1779 tax list -- see below
>> for more]
>>
>> = = =
>> 1779 Hertford Co, NC tax list: this is the earliest preserved tax list
>> for Hertford Co, which was formed in 759 from parts of Bertie, Chowan, &
>> Northampton counties. An in NC Genealogy, Summer 1967 issue (Vol. XIII,
>> No.2) listed only the names, with the caution that the original tax list
>> showed additional info: # acres of land; # slaves; money on hand; #
>> horses & cattle; and total amt of taxable property. In that abstract,
>> the name "Wm Poythress" is in Hertford County's 4th District on p.71 of
>> the tax list.
>>
>>
>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>> www.poythress.net
>>
>>
>		01/26/2006 4:31:29
Francis Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia, 5th Generation, Part 3Michael TutorIn the 1805 Georgia lottery, the names of every person who entered was
recorded. In later lotteries, with a few exceptions, only the winners were
listed. The land awarded in the 1805 lottery was then Baldwin and Wilkinson
County.
Given was the name, the registration number and the registrant's county:
Edward Poythress, number 47, Burke; George Poythress, number 65, Burke;
Martha Poythress, number 50, Burke; Francis Poythress, number 613, Hancock;
Meredith Poythress, number 968, Screven; and, William Poythress, number 967,
Screven.

Adjoining property:
On August 12, 1787, in Greene County, Georgia, 120 acres, on the waters of
the south fork of Ogeechee, adjoining Francis Poythress.
In August, 1787, in Greene County, Georgia, 200 acres, on the waters of the
South Ogeechee, adjoining Poythress, Rogers, etc.
On March 10, 1789, in Greene County, Georgia, 250 acres, on the South Fork
of Ogeechee River, bounded by Francis Poythress, etc.
On December 4, 1800, in Greene County, Georgia, 200 acres, adjoining
Poythress.		01/26/2006 4:42:13
Francis Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia, Part 4Michael TutorAfter Francis Poythress' Death
The 1805 lottery and 1807 lotteries completed the opening of
the large valley area between the Oconee and the Ocmulgee Rivers. In 1807,
the first meeting of the Georgia legislature took place at the new capital
of Milledgeville in Baldwin County, another part of the westward thrust of
settlement. Land awarded in the 1807 lottery was the remaining parts of
Baldwin and Wilkinson Counties and Wayne County. Given was the name,
county, military district/lot number drawn: Thomas Poythress, orphans of,
Burke, Sharp's 22/44 Wilkinson; Francis Poythress, orphans of, Hancock,
Coffee's
24/290 Wilkinson; and, Elizabeth Poythress, Hancock, Coffee's 6/31
Wilkinson.

Francis Poythress, orphans of, grant award #278 of 24th District of
Wilkinson County. All of District 24 is in present Twiggs County.		01/26/2006 4:44:30
Follow-up re William Poythress of Bertie Co, NC from Heinegg's infoBarbara P. NealAfter my posting last night "Publish & update it when new info is found"
mentioning Paul Heinegg's books, one of our List subscribers asked me:
"When Heinegg said that he realized that William Poythress, of
Bertie County, was white, did he happen to mention what became of
William or who William's children were?"

Heinegg didn't address any of that with me, but I'll recap here what I
can glean about William Poythress from Heinegg's excellent books that
I've seen. I'm sure there are more references to William Poythress of
Bertie Co, NC than the this covers.

In his book, Free African Americans of NC & VA Including the family
histories of more than 80% of those counted as "all other free persons"
in the 1790 & 1800 census (Baltimore: Clearfield Company, 1992) is the
only place I found William (logically, since as Heinegg told me later,
he later realized William was white, & he removed him from subsequent
books).

In that book, the info on William Poythress was as shown in the next
paragraph. All counties Heinegg's paragraph mentions are NC counties;
I'm using abbreviations for months and for "county" & I'll insert his
source citations in brackets along with any comments I have. The
parenthesis about Outlaw is Heinegg's parenthetical note. At the
conclusion of his paragraph on William, Heinegg then indicated that
"Perhaps his children were Rachel Outlaw; Odam, born about 1755; and
Hardimon, born about 1757." Please note that this is the info corrected
by Heinegg in his later volumes; later he indicated NO parent's name for
Odam or Hardimon, and he had NO "Outlaw" listed. It seems to me that
Rachel Outlaw was likely the daughter of his neighbor; perhaps she
helped care for him at some point.

Heinegg wrote: William Poythress of Bertie County purchased 100 acres on
Jumping Run adjacent to John Harrell on 8 Sep 1753 [Bertie Co, NC DB H,
p.42], and he and his wife, Sarah, sold this land three years later on
21 Oct 1756 [Bertie Co, NC DB H, p.387]. He was called William Poythress
of Hertford Co on 9 Oct 1764 when he sold 140 acres in Bertie Co between
the lines of William and Thomas Outlaw [Bertie Co, NC DB K, p.481]. He
was ordered by the Feb 1764 Bertie Court to serve on the grand jury
[Bertie Co, NC County Court Minutes Bk III, p.647], and the same court
allowed him to keep a tavern at his dwelling house [Bertie Co, NC County
Court Minutes Bk III, p.648]. He won a judgment for 6 pounds 5 shillings
against William Bryan in the June 1765 Bertie Court [Bertie Co, NC
County Court Minutes Bk III, p.710]. In Dec 1768 he made a Northampton
Co deed of gift of household goods to Richard Outlaw for affection he
had for (his daughter?) Rachel Outlaw [4:196 -- this probably indicates
Heinegg was citing Northampton Co, NC Co DB 4, p.196, though I'm not
sure since I neglected to get the full citation for this one]. He was
taxed on 150 acres in Hertford Co in 1779 [GA 30.1 -- this is Heinegg's
citation for the NC Archives holding for this 1779 tax list -- see below
for more]

= = =
1779 Hertford Co, NC tax list: this is the earliest preserved tax list
for Hertford Co, which was formed in 759 from parts of Bertie, Chowan, &
Northampton counties. An in NC Genealogy, Summer 1967 issue (Vol. XIII,
No.2) listed only the names, with the caution that the original tax list
showed additional info: # acres of land; # slaves; money on hand; #
horses & cattle; and total amt of taxable property. In that abstract,
the name "Wm Poythress" is in Hertford County's 4th District on p.71 of
the tax list.		01/26/2006 6:06:44
Obit - Leon D Poythress d. 18 Jun 2005 NCBarbara P. NealFollowing the recent death of C. Raymond Poythress, Sr (see separate
message today regarding him), I learned from our List-subscriber Sarah
that Raymond's brother Leon died just 7 months earlier. Raymond had told
me when he and I last talked about various health issues that run in
some families, that Leon had Alzheimer's disease.

Leon (and Raymond) were grandsons of Joshua E. Poythress & Bettie
Wester, and great-grandsons of John Lewis Poythress & Tabitha Ann Nunn.

His obituary was in the Henderson, NC newspaper, "The Daily Dispatch" on
21 June 2005:
"Leon D. Poythress
HENDERSON - Leon Douglas Poythress, 78, of 236 Orville St., Henderson,
N.C., died Saturday, June 18, 2005, at Maria Parham Medical Center. Born
in Franklin County, he was the son of the late John William and Mylae
Young Poythress.
Mr. Poythress was retired after 25 years with George W. Kane Inc., and
was owner and operator of Leon D. Poythress Inc. He was a United States
Navy Veteran of the Korean Conflict. He was a member of Westwood
Pentecostal Holiness Church.
Funeral services will be held at 11 a.m. today at Flowers Funeral
Chapel, conducted by the Rev. Cecil Coates, the Rev. Frank Sossamon, and
Dr. Marion D. Poythress. Burial will follow in Sunset Gardens.
Surviving are his wife, Daisy Pernell Poythress; a daughter, Kim P.
Edwards, and husband Johnny, of Henderson; two sons, Dr. Marion D.
Poythress, and wife Elaine, of Granite Falls, N.C., and Randy L.
Poythress, of Henderson; a sister, Edna P. Pernell, of Warrenton, N.C.;
a brother, Raymond C. Poythress, of Zebulon, N.C.; seven grandchildren,
Tabitha Poythress, Joshua Poythress, Zachery Poythress, Isaac Poythress,
Amber Edwards, Jasmine Edwards, and Caleb Poythress; and five
great-grandchildren. He was preceded in death by two sisters, Elizabeth
P. Ayscue and Gladys P. Beasley; and two brothers, Fred Poythress and
Forest Poythress.
The family received friends Monday, from 7 until 8:30 p.m., at Flowers
Funeral Home. All other times, they will be at the home, 236 Orville
Street, Henderson.
Serving as active pallbearers will be Thomas Summerow, Carl Pernell,
Raeford Pernell, Kenny Pernell, Larry Pernell, Ricky Pernell, Ronnie
Pernell, Julian Pernell and Henry Pernell.
Flowers Funeral Home is in charge of the funeral arrangements."		01/28/2006 7:50:49
Obit - C Raymond Poythress, Sr. d.13 Jan 2006, NCBarbara P. NealWith thanks to our List-subscriber Sarah for letting me know, I was sad
to learn that this dear man, who was helpful in our Poythress research
in the 1990s, died two weeks ago. I also learned of the death of his
brother Leon, just 7 months earlier (see separate message today for him).

Raymond (and Leon) were grandsons of Joshua E. Poythress & Bettie
Wester, and great-grandsons of John Lewis Poythress & Tabitha Ann Nunn.

Raymond and his family, and my family and I, lived in the Norfolk &
Virginia Beach area, overlapping for 5 yrs in the 1970s, but we never
met then. I was privileged to meet Raymond and his sweet wife Elvin, and
to be a guest for one night in their home in May 1999 (during the same
trip when I met Bud, and when a bunch of us had our
Poythress-researchers dinner in Richmond, VA).

To supplement his obituary, I'll share with you quotations and info
about him from a few of his emails to me through the years:

"While traveling from Wellington, New Zealand, to invade Guadalcanal in
August, 1942, we attempted to practice landing on one of the Fiji
islands. We couldn't make it ashore as we ran into coral and had to
return to the ship. We had to sit on the bottom of a tank landing ship,
with no tank, all the way to shore and back. I have never been so sea
sick in my life. We invaded Guadalcanal on August 7, and stayed there
until December 4, being bombed every day, and bombed and shelled many
nights. Fortunately we only lost one man from our company, E Company of
the First Medical Battalion, First Marine Division."

He mentioned that he had served at the Bureau of Medicine and Surgery in
Washington, DC, from November 1952 to September 1955. He said that he
and LeRoof Poythress had been shipmates, being both stationed at
Atlantic Fleet Headquarters, when Raymond had been chief hospital
corpsman assigned to the Fleet Medical Office from October 1955 to
October of 1958. He retired from the Navy on 9 September 1966.

He said he was a "retired Master Chief Hospital Corpsman, U. S. Navy,
and also a retired Field Tax Auditor, State of VA. After retiring from
the latter job, we moved back to NC. We have been back home since 1978."

Raymond was very active for many years with his church. He served as a
deacon; began a deacon ministry; was chairman of the budget committee;
cemetery trustee; counting committee; usher; and in the Fall of 1994
ensured the installation of a sound system and chimes. When he last
emailed me (Nov 2005, just before he turned 87) he was very appreciative
of his fellow church members who had been taking him to and from the
clinic for appointments.

His obituary in The News & Observer newspaper (which serves the Triangle
area of NC: Raleigh, Durham, Cary, Chapel Hill), appeared on Sunday, 15
Jan 2006:
"C. Raymond Poythress, Sr.
Nov. 28, 1918 - Jan. 13, 2006
ZEBULON - Claude Raymond Poythress, Sr., 87, of Adna Pearce Rd., died
Friday afternoon at WakeMed.
He was born in Franklin County, the son of the late John William and
Myla Young Poythress.
Mr. Poythress retired from the US Navy as Master Chief Hospital
Corpsman with 28 years of service and also retired with the Virginia
Employment Commission as Tax Auditor. He was a member of the Whitestone
Masonic Lodge.
Funeral service will be held 11:00am Tuesday at Pearce Baptist
Church. Burial will follow in the church cemetery with Military Honors
and Masonic Honors.
He is survived by his wife of 64 years, Elvin Pearce Poythress; son
Claude R. "Ray" Poythress, Jr. and wife, Wanda of Spring Hill, TN;
daughters, Dianne P. Mullins and husband, Howard of Ione, Oregon, Sharon
P. Becker and husband, Edward "Butch" of Baltimore, Md; sister, Edna P.
Pernell of Warrenton; 10 grandchildren and 2 great-grandchildren.
Flowers accepted or memorials may be made to Pearce Baptist Church,
4634 Pearces Rd., Zebulon, NC 27597.
The family will receive friends following the service in the church
annex.
Arrangements by Strickland Funeral Home, Wendell."		01/28/2006 7:51:06
DNA TestingJohn M. Poythresshttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11080815/site/newsweek/ is an interesting
article even if the authors politically correctly
were unable to resist biting on the improbable Thomas Jefferson-Sally
Hemings legend.

Maynard		01/30/2006 1:56:56
Michael's great VA Poythress compilationsBarbara P. NealMichael - thank you so much for all the tremendous postings you've done
of compilations of documents for the various early Poythress men. This
is an amazing amount of work you've done, that will be a great help to
us for a long time to come.
Barbara




01/31/2006 2:21:41
Thomas Poythress, Sr., of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County, 4th GenerationMichael Tutor01/31/2006 10:19:48
William Poythress, of Bertie County, North Carolina, son of John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon parishMichael TutorThis is a re-posting with the material that Barbara posted last week. As she
stated in her posting, we need to update our records from time to time in
order to further our efforts.

The Fourth Generation: William Poythress, son of John Poythress, of Martin's
Brandon parish
R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress [79 vi. William Poythress was born AFT
1717 in VA [(P_1) DCC].]

Family
William Poythress was born about 1720, the son of John Poythress and Mary
(Hardyman?). He married Sarah and they were known to be of Bertie County,
North Carolina, by 1756. His mother, Mary, married John Abington after the
death of his father, John Poythress, Jr.

Inheritance
In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, proved May 12, 1724. I give my son, John
Poythress, and his heirs, my plantation where I now live, 100 acres of land,
as also 100 acres of land adjoining, called Colebrooks, taking in the Ivy
point, so running down Hugh Evans' Spring Bottom to William Stainback's
corner poplar, and also I give my said son, John Poythress, and to his
heirs, my tract of land lying on the south side of the main Blackwater
Swamp, not debarring his brothers, Francis and William Poythress, from
getting timber for their plantations' use, as also giving them liberty to
drive their stocks of hogs and cattle upon the land, if they shall think
fit, and if it should please God to take him out of the world before he
comes to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of his body lawfully
begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son, Francis Poythress,
should possess all the above said lands as is mentioned, and to his heirs
lawfully begotten forever. I give my son, Francis Poythress, and his heirs,
land lying at and about the place called Brick Chimneys, binding upon my
son, John Poythress', and brother, Thomas Poythress' lands, so round the
Deep Bottom, taking in the whole tract or dividend of land, and if it should
please God to take him out of the world before he arrives to the age of 21
years, or without heirs of his body lawfully begotten, then my will and
pleasure is that my son, William Poythress, should possess all the above
said land mentioned, and to his heirs lawfully begotten forever. I give my
two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and their heirs, 280 acres, joining to
Thomas Poythress' land, so running a south course over the horn branch, and
so binding upon John Young's, Dorrel Young's, and John Winningham's land, to
be equally divided betwixt my two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and to
their heirs forever. I give my son, William Poythress, and his heirs, 150
acres, binding upon Thomas Poythress' and Thomas Lovesay's land, formerly
belonging to Joseph Patterson, called Powell's, and if it should please God
to take him out of the world before he arrives to the age of 21 years, or
without heirs of his body lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is
that my son, John Poythress, should possess the above mentioned land, and
his heirs lawfully begotten forever. I give my son, John Poythress, a small
featherbed and furniture, six new rush leather chairs, one chest, one gun,
and a mare, a young horse, and the increase of her forever, to him and his
heirs for ever. I give my son, Francis Poythress, a small feather bed and
furniture, one young mare about three years old, and her increase to him and
his heirs for ever. I give my son, William Poythress, a bay mare, and her
increase, to him and his heirs for ever. I give my three sons, John, Francis
and William Poythress, all my stock of hogs and cattle, to be equally
divided amongst them, only what I shall give hereafter unto my loving wife,
Mary Poythress, which is four cows and calves, and a parcel of hogs as uses
about Colebrooks, about twenty or thirty of them, and my will further is
that as much of the stock be disposed of as will be of value sufficient to
enter and survey 400 acres of land in the woods, according to the discretion
of my executors, for my son, William Poythress, and to be patented in his
name, and then the remaining part of the stock to be equally divided between
my three sons, John, Francis and William Poythress, and their heirs forever.
I give my three sons, John, Francis and William Poythress, my three negroes,
Betty, Judy and Grace, and their increase, to be equally divided when my
son, William Poythress comes to the age of 18 years, and my will and desire
is that my son, John Poythress, should have the aforesaid negroes, with
their increase, in his possession, when he shall attain to the age of 21,
and there to remain till my son, William, attains to the age of 18 years,
then they and their increase to be equally divided between my three sons,
John, Francis and William Poythress, and to their heirs lawfully begotten
forever. I give my daughter, Rebecca Poythress, my negro man, Tom, and one
featherbed and furniture, to her and her heirs for ever. I give my daughter,
Elizabeth Poythress, my negro boy, Jamy, to her and her heirs for ever.I
give my daughter, Ann Poythress, my negro boy, Will, to her and her heirs
for ever. I give my loving wife, Mary Poythress, my negro man, Seipis, one
featherbed and furniture, four cows and calves and a parcel of hogs uses
about Colebrooks, and all my pewter, brass, and iron, as I am possessed
with, and my two working horses, and all the rest of the small matters as is
not mentioned in this my last Will and Testament, to her and her heirs for
ever. I appoint Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, pastor, my executors of
this my last Will and Testament. The witnesses, Francis Epes, Jr., William
Stainback and John Winningham. At a Court held at Merchant's Hope for Prince
George County, on Tuesday, May 12, 1724, the last Will and testament of John
Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert Poythress and John
Woodlief, his executors, who made oath thereto, and it was proved by the
oaths of Francis Epes, William Stainback and John Winningham. And on the
motion of the said Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, executors, and their
giving Bond and Security according to law, Certificate was granted them for
obtaining a probate of the said Will in due form. The Will was recorded,
August 11, 1724, at a court at Merchant's Hope, for Prince George County,
with an account of personal property items valued at £209/14/5. John
Stainback, John Winningham and William Stainback were the appraisers.

The 150 acres called Powell's, left to William Poythress, was bought by his
father, John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), on November 8, 1720, from Francis
Poythress, John's uncle. The land that was inherited by John Poythress' son,
John Poythress, was possibly bought by John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), on
October 23, 1703, and on September 5, 1723.

On December 13, 1726, in the Prince George County court, the inventory of
the estate of Captain John Poythress, deceased, was valued at £130/12/8. The
executors of the Will were Robert Poythress and John Woodlief. The legatees
were Mary, his wife, Rebecca, his daughter, Elizabeth, his daughter, Colonel
William Randolph, Captain Richard Randolph and John Fitzgerald, among
others.

Guardian of William Poythress
On March 13, 1739, in the Prince George County court, on the complaints of
William Poythress, one of the orphans of John Poythress, of Jordan's,
deceased, who was bound as apprentice to Robert Simpson, of this county, for
misusage and which complaints appeared to be just the said William was
discharged from the apprenticeship and chose Charles Irby, his guardian, who
had time until the next court to appear and give bond and security.

Property: Land
(Possibly William Poythress, son of John Poythress, Jr., (c. 1681-1724), as
he was to have 400 acres bought for him as per his father's Will).
On March 24, 1735, William Poythress, Gentleman, was granted 400 acres near
Sapponi Chappel, in Prince George County, adjoining Robert Bolling, by the
side of the Nottaway River Road, crossing Stephen's Branch. On September 25,
1746, John Wagnon, 576 acres, in Prince George County, on the south side of
Stoney Creek, adjoining Robert Bolling, the land purchased of William
Poythress, by the side of the Nottoway River Road, 400 acres part thereof
being formerly granted unto William Poythress by our letters patent bearing
date March 24, 1734, the right and title of which the 400 acres has become
vested in John Wagnon, and 176 acres the residue never before granted.
[note: Poythress appears frequently hereafter in the Wagnon family as a
middle name; even into Burke and Green Counties, Georgia].

On September 8, 1753, in Bertie County, North Carolina, William Poythress,
of Bertie County, purchased 100 acres on Jumping Run adjacent to John
Harrell.
On December 8, 1755, in Bertie County, North Carolina, Peter Hays and wife,
Bether [Butrice?], sold 100 acres to Thomas Hays for £10 on the south side
of Cashy Swamp. The witnesses were William Poythress, George Vann and John
Bryan. On October 21, 1756, in Bertie County, North Carolina, William
Poythress, of Bertie County, in North Carolina, and wife, Sarah, sold 100
acres to Matthew Turner, of Bertie County, in North Carolina, adjoining
Gristock, over Jumping Run in the fork, adjoining John Harrell, to the first
station, it being out of a deed granted to Thomas Page, the said deed
bearing date 1753. Sarah Poythress, the wife of William Poythress, freely
surrendered all her right of dower. The witnesses were Henry Averet and
George House. On December 16, 1756, in Bertie County, North Carolina, Edward
Boyd and wife, Abigale, of Society Parish, sold 200 acres to Samuel Jobe for
£16, land granted Barnaby Bryant, December 13, 1755. The witnesses were
William Poythress and James Abington. On October 9, 1764, William Poythress,
of Hertford County, sold 140 acres, in Bertie County, between the lines of
William and Thomas Outlaw.
In February, 1764, in Bertie County, North Carolina, William Poythress was
ordered to serve on the grand jury. The same court allowed him to keep a
tavern at his dwelling house.
In June, 1765, in Bertie County, North Carolina, he won a judgement for £6,
5 shillings, against William Bryan in the Bertie County court.
In December, 1768, William Poythress made a Northampton County deed of gift
of household goods to Richard Outlaw for affection he had for Rachel Outlaw.
In 1779, William Poythress was taxed on 150 acres in the 4th District of
Hertford County, North Carolina. (Hertford County was formed in 1759 from
parts of Bertie, Chowan and Northampton Counties).
In 1779, William Poythress appeared in Hertford County, North Carolina.
In 1782, William Poythress was taxed on 200 acres in the 4th District of
Hertford County, North Carolina.
In 1787, William Poythress appeared in Freemans District, Bertie County,
North Carolina.

This may be the son of William and Sarah Poythress, and the grandson of John
Poythress, Jr.:
Bertie County, North Carolina, Marriage Bond: September 27, 1785. William
Poythress and Anna Lewis. Henry Averett.		01/31/2006 10:34:16
Thomas Poythress, Jr., 5th Generation, Part 1Michael TutorThis is the last of the Virginia Poythress postings.

The Fifth Generation: Thomas Poythress, Jr.
Family
Thomas Poythress, Jr., known also as Esquire and Sheriff, was born about
1756, the son of Thomas Poythress (c. 1729-1790s?). His wife, Martha, died
after 1805. Two of his children were Thomas Poythress, Jr., and Martha
Elizabeth Amanda Poythress. He died in October 1800, in Burke County,
Georgia.

Son, Thomas Poythress
Thomas Poythress was born about 1780.

Thomas Poythress, 1830, Charleston Co., S. C., St. Thomas/St. Dennis Parish,
p. 193, 1 m 40-49, 2 f 10-14, 1 f 15-19, 1 f 40-49, 10 m slaves under 10, 15
m slaves 10-23, 10 m slaves 24-35, 10 m slaves 36-54, 8 m slaves 55-99, 10 f
slaves under 10, 10 f slaves 10-23, 12 f slaves 24-35, 9 f slaves 36-54, 11
f slaves 55-99.
Thomas Poythress b. 1781-1790
1 F 40-49 b. 1781-1790
1 F 15-19 b. 1811-1815
2 F 10-14 b. 1816-1820

Daughter, Martha Elizabeth Amanda Poythress
Martha Elizabeth Amanda Poythress was born January 26, 1786, in Virginia.
She died October 5, 1861, in Georgia. She married a Dixon and an Odom. She
was approximately six years younger than her brother, Thomas Poythress.

Professional Life
Before July 15, 1781, in Brunswick County, Joseph Prince against Thomas
Poythress, Jr. and Thomas Poythress, Sr., debtors Francis Mallory, special
bail and judgement confessed for 3,000 pounds inspected tobacco at pitch
landing with interest from December 25, 1782, and the books and by consent
the execution of this judgment is stayed 3 months. The entry implies that in
1781, in Brunswick County, there were two Thomas Poythresses, both of legal
age and associated economically.
In April, 1782, in Brunswick County, Thomas Poythress in proceedings of
Virginia Revolutionary Public Claims. (Court date not given, date above
extrapolated from preceding and following court dates). A return of the
proceedings of the Brunswick County court under an act entitled "an Act for
adjusting claims for property impressed or taken for the public service."
James Quarles: 1 pair stirrup irons and leathers, 1 girth and 1 crupper
taken by Thomas Poythress who was assigned in impressing horses under
Paschall.
In 1783, in Brunswick County, Thomas Poythress was listed under "Co.
Commissaries, Impressment Officers" for Revolutionary War Service.

On October 21, 1799, Thomas Poythress was elected Sheriff of Burke County,
Georgia.

On October 28, 1799, Thomas Poythress, along with Thomas Poythress, Jr.,
George Poythress and Edward Poythress signed a petition on behalf of Leonard
Nobles, asking Georgia Governor, James Jackson, to pardon the death
sentence. "Burke County, Georgia, Petition asking for Pardon for Leonard
Nobles, Jr., 1799. To his Excellency James Jackson esquire Governor and
commander in Chief in and over the State of Georgia and of Militia & Army &
Navy there of. The petition of the Subscribers Inhabitants of the County of
Burke in the said State, Most Respectfully Sheweth. That having understood
Leonard Nobles is at present confined in the Jail of Screven County and
under Sentence of Death.....they are induced from Motives of Humanity, and
in consideration of his extreme age and helpless Family to Solicit your
Interposition in his favor and that your Excellency....granting him a pardon
for the above mentioned Offence; and they as duty Bound will ever pray, etc.
Burke County, 28th October 1799. Signers: 50 individuals, including.. Thomas
Poythress, Geo. Poythress, Edward Poythress, Thomas Poythress, Jr.

On April 29, 1800, in Georgia Military Affairs, Thomas Poythress, Sheriff of
Burke County, Georgia, testified at a court of inquiry into the conduct of
Major William Wynne, who was charged with not keeping a guard over the jail
in Waynesborough, allowing the escape of one, Anthony Disto, "confined for
murder."
On May 6, 1800, in Screven County, Thomas Poythress, Sheriff of Burke
County, Georgia, to Barbara Vince, widow, (highest bidder $300) by suit of
James Henderson versus estate of Jacob Griner. The witnesses were George
Poythress and John Mobley.
On October 9, 1800, in Burke County, Georgia, Presentment of the Grand Jury:
"In Court, October 9, 1800, the grand jury brought in their presentments as
follows: Burke County, October term, We the grand jurors for the body of the
county aforesaid do make the following presentments: Item # 6, we present
Thomas Poythress, Esquire, Sheriff of this county, acting as gaoler, for
neglect of duty. [note: Thomas Poythress died in October of 1800].

Court Cases
October 28, 1782, in Brunswick County, court order against the defendants
and Thomas Poythress, as security, for their appearance. Joseph Prince,
plaintiff, against Thomas Poythress and Clement Mallory, in debt,
conditional order against the defendants and Thomas Poythress, as security,
for their appearance.

In November, 1782, court order, attachment on all of the estate of the
defendant in the hands of Thomas Poythress, et al. Gideon Harris, plaintiff,
against Thomas Wagnon defendant, on an attachment...The said attachment
returned being executed on all of the estate of the defendant that might be
in the hands of Thomas Poythress, Daniel Wagnon and Briggs Goodrich that
they were summoned as garnishees and the defendant not appearing judgement
was awarded against the said defendant for £7 with interest from the
nineteenth day of June last due by bond, also for £3 which the plaintiff
made appear to be due on account and the books of the said Thomas Poythress
and Daniel Wagnon declared as follows: the said Daniel Wagnon made oath he
had nothing of the defendant's in his hand and the said Thomas Poythress
declared that he was indebted to the defendant the sum of £20 with interest
from the 24th August. It was therefore ordered that the said Thomas
Poythress do pay and satisfy this judgement and costs to the plaintiff. (no
year date on this document but it may be assumed that it follows the
previous document by a short period, perhaps a month; i.e. from Oct. 1782).

In December, 1782, court order, attachment on the property of Thomas
Poythress, Jr., in the hands of Thomas Poythress, Daniel Wagnon, Benjamin
Jackson. Phillip Mallory, plaintiff, against Thomas Poythress, Jr.,
defendant, as an attachment...The said attachment being returned executed on
a field of corn, a potato patch, and a parcel of fodder, and also on all the
estate of the defendant that might be in the hands of Thomas Poythress,
Daniel Wagnon, and Benjamin Jackson, that they were summoned as garnishees
and the defendant not appearing on the motion of the plaintiff by his
attorney, judgement was awarded him against the defendant for £7/12/0 with
interest from the ___ ___ and the ____ and it was ordered that the Sheriff
do sell the attached affects and apply the money arising from the sale
towards satisfying this judgment and the said Wagnon being sworn declared
that he had in his possession a note of hand due from Amos Naring to the
defendant for £2/10/0 due on the 8th instant. It was therefore ordered that
the said Amos Naring do pay the same to the plaintiff towards satisfying the
residue of this judgment and this attachment was continued for the other
garnishees. Notes: In the abbreviation following the name of Thomas
Poythress, it was unclear whether it was Jr. or Sr. "Jr." was the likelier
text. In any case, there was a Thomas Poythress, father and son, living in
Brunswick County.
No year date was furnished in this document but it most likely followed the
previous court order by a short time, likely a matter of a month or more.

Civic Activities
On March 30, 1789, Thomas Poythress, for removing Henry Woodward at a
meeting of the Overseers of the Poor
at the courthouse, from St. Andrews parish Vestry Book, of Brunswick County,
Virginia.		01/31/2006 11:11:01
Thomas Poythress, Jr., 5th Generation, Part 2Michael TutorPersonal Property and Land
In 1782, the personal property list, of Brunswick County, listed Thomas
Poythress and Meredith Poythress and six slaves, also 6 horses and 18
cattle.

On November 6, 1787, Isham Randle and Frances Randle of Brunswick County,
sold to Edward Drumgold, of Brunswick County, 50 acres, in Brunswick County,
adjoining William Warrick, generally known by the name of Randle's Ordinary,
Benjamin Britt and Edward Drumgold, on the Pitch Landing Road, in the head
of Bennett's great branch. The witnesses, William Finch, Thomas Poythress
and George Walton. At the Brunswick County Court, April 28, 1788, the
indenture was proved by the oaths of William Finch and George Walton, having
been proved on January 28, 1788, by the oath of Thomas Poythress, also a
witness.

In 1788, in Brunswick County, in the personal property tax records, Thomas
Poythress was listed for 1 tithe.

On August 12, 1791, Thomas and Sally Clary, of Brunswick County, sold to
Thomas Poythress, of Brunswick County, 85 acres, in Brunswick County,
bounded as follows (detailed description of land boundaries). [Note: the
transaction appeared in the 1791 land tax records. This deed showed this
Thomas with a wife named Martha].

In 1792, in Brunswick County, Proprietor Name #acres rates total value amt
tax
Thomas Poythress 35 3/7 36_9_9 _10-10

On March 20, 1794, in Brunswick County, Thomas Poythress witness to
Moseley_Bass indenture. This Indenture made March 20, 1794, between Isaac
Moseley and Selah, his wife, of Brunswick County, of the one part, and John
Hicks Bass, of the said County, of the other part, for and in consideration
of the sum of £32 doth grant bargain sell alien release and confirm unto the
said John Hicks Bass one certain tract or parcel of land containing 52½
acres by estimation lying and being in Brunswick County and bounded as
follows, Viz: beginning on Eaton's Road at a red oak thence S 34 W 9 chains
25 links along Moseley's line to a white oak corner thence N 76 W 9 chains
40 links at an inside red oak corner thence S 29 W 18 chains to a small
saplin corner on Frederick Cooks line thence along said Cook's line N 61 W
10 chains to a B. Jack corner thence along said Cooks line and Daniel Whites
line N 10 W 65 chains to a corner on said Whites line at the road thence
along the road S 70 E 36 chains to B. Jack thence along Mosely line N 33 E
183 chains to a B. Jack corner on Grief Harwell's line thence S 6 E 12
chains 75 links to hiccory corner on said Harwell's line thence N __ E 621
chains to a red oak corner on Bass's line thence S 30½ E 675 chains _____
said John Bass's line to turkey oak corner on Mosely's road thence S 84 E
102 chains to the beginning. Signed by Isaac Mosley and Selah Moseley.
Witnessed by John Gholson, Harrison Barner and Thomas Poythress.

Brunswick County Court, April 28th 1794. This Indenture of Bargain and Sale
between Isaac Moseley and Selah his wife of the one part and John Hicks Bass
of the other part was acknowledged by the said Isaac to be his act and deed
and ordered to be recorded.

No Poythresses were mentioned in the tax records for 1795 in Brunswick
County.

The below mentioned property was roughly 5 miles due south of Ft. Christanna
on Rattlesnake Creek. This Indenture made August 20, 1795, between Thomas
Poythress, of Brunswick County, of the one part, and George Hicks, of the
same County, of the other part, witnesseth that for and in consideration of
the sum of £50 Current Money of Virginia to me in hand paid by the said
George Hicks the receipt whereof I do hereby acknowledge have bargained and
sold and confirmed and by these presents doth bargain, sell and confirm unto
the said George Hicks and his heirs forever one certain tract or parcel of
land containing 85 acres more or less lying and being in the County
aforesaid and is bounded as follows, to wit: beginning at Wesson's corner
white oak on Rattlesnake Creek the white oak being down have made a corner
of a hickory thence by his line to a corner hiccory thence by George Hearn's
line West to a corner red oak on John Seward's line thence by the said John
Seward's line to a corner sweet gum on the said Creek as aforesaid thence by
the meanders of the said Creek to the beginning to have and to hold the said
land and other premises to the said George Hicks and his heirs forever
against the claim and demand of him the said Thomas Poythress and his heirs
forever against the claim of every other person or persons forever unto the
said George Hicks and to his heirs forever. In witness whereof I have
hereunto set my hand and seal the day and date first above written. Sealed,
signed and delivered. Thomas Poythress (L. S.). In the presents of
Christopher Thrower, Henry Mangum, James Harrison, Jr., and John Green.
Order prepared, August 28, 1795. Washington and Fletcher ordered to secure
relief of dower indenture on above
property from spouse, Martha Poythress.
On September 28, 1795, in Brunswick County Court, this Indenture of bargain
and sale was acknowledged by Thomas Poythress party thereto to be his act
and deed and ordered to be recorded. Teste, C. B. Jones, Clerk of Brunswick
Court.

In 1796, Brunswick County personal property tax records show Thomas
Poythress. No tithe listed, 2 slaves over 16, 2 horses. In 1789-1795
Brunswick Personal property tax shows Thomas Poythress listed: one tithe. In
1797, in Brunswick County, no Poythress was mentioned. In 1798, in Brunswick
County, no Poythress was mentioned. In 1798, no entries for Thomas Poythress
are found in Brunswick County personal property tax records. Thomas
Poythress must have left Brunswick County by mid-1797, at the latest early
1798.

On October 1, 1798, in Burke County, Georgia, Thomas Poythress appeared in
the tax records.

As Witness
On November 6, 1787, Isham Randle and Frances Randle of Brunswick County,
sold to Edward Drumgold, of Brunswick County, 50 acres, in Brunswick County,
adjoining William Warrick, generally known by the name of Randle's Ordinary,
Benjamin Britt and Edward Drumgold, on the Pitch Landing Road, in the head
of Bennett's great branch. The witnesses were William Finch, Thomas
Poythress and George Walton. At the Brunswick County Court, April 28, 1788,
the indenture was proved by the oaths of William Finch and George Walton,
having been proved on January 28, 1788, by the oath of Thomas Poythress,
also a witness.

After Thomas Poythress' Death
On November 10, 1800, in Burke County, Georgia, the administrators of Thomas
Poythress were listed as George Poythress and Patsy Poythress.
On November 18, 1800, in Burke County, Georgia, letters of administration on
the estate of Thomas Poythress, deceased, were granted George Poythress and
Patsy Poythress.
On March 7, 1801, in Burke County, "Will be sold at public auction 15 April
next, Waynesborough, 2 horses belonging to the estate of Thomas Poythress,
deceased, etc., by Geo. Poythress, Administrator."
On May 1, 1801, in Burke County, notices of sales of property by the Burke
County sheriff; property of Thomas Poythress, deceased, taxes in default.		01/31/2006 11:13:12
Thomas Poythress, Jr., 5th Generation, Part 3Michael TutorIn 1803, Martha, George and Edward Poythress registered for the 1805 (1st)
Georgia land lottery.
On November 11, 1803, in Burke County, Sheriff's sale, first Tuesday in
September next, courthouse in Waynesborough, one Negro boy named Stephney;
taken by virtue of an execution, William Duefto versus George Poythress,
administrator of Thomas Poythress.
The 1805 lottery listed the names of every person who entered. Registration
in 1803 for this drawing was a fairly good, although incomplete "proxy" for
an 1803 census of Georgia. In the later lotteries, with a few exceptions,
only the winners were listed. Land awarded in the 1805 lottery was then
Baldwin and Wilkinson County.
Name Reg.# Prize or Blank Registrant's County
Poythress, Edward 47 B B Burke
Poythress, George 65 B Burke
Poythress, Martha 50 B B Burke
Poythress, Francis 613 B B Hancock
Poythress, Meredith 968 B B Screven
Poythress, William 967 B B Screven		01/31/2006 11:19:40
Thomas Poythress, Jr., 5th GenerationMichael Tutor1807 Lottery - This lottery, together with the one in 1805, completed the
opening of the large valley area between the
Oconee and the Ocmulgee Rivers. In 1807, the first meeting of the Georgia
Legislature took place at the new capital
of Milledgeville in Baldwin County, another part of the westward thrust of
settlement. Land awarded in the 1807
Lottery was the remaining parts of Baldwin and Wilkinson Counties and Wayne
County.
Name County Mil.Dist. Dist./Lot Drew Land
Poythress, Thomas (Orphans of) Burke Sharp's 22/44 Wilkinson
Poythress, Francis (Orphans of) Hancock Coffee's 24/290 Wilkinson
Poythress, Elizabeth Hancock Coffee's 6/31 Wilkinson

Grant award #209 of 22nd District of Wilkinson County. All of District 22 is
in present Laurens County. Grant was taken up and deed issued May 8, 1809.
It is 99.9% certain we will not find the downstream transfer of this deed.
Wilkinson is one of Georgia's most completely "burned" counties.		01/31/2006 11:21:11
Thomas Poythress, Jr., 5th Generation, Part 5Michael TutorState of Georgia. By His Excellence Jared Irwin, Governor and Commander in
Chief of the Army and Navy of this state and of the Militia thereof. To all
to whom these presents shall come, Greeting: Know ye, that in pursuance of
an act of the General Assembly, passed on the 26th day of June, 1826, for
making distribution of land in counties of Wilkinson and Baldwin, I have
given and granted, and by these presents, in the name and behalf of this
State, do give and grant, unto Thomas Poythress' Orphans, of Burke County,
their heirs and assigns forever, all that Tract or Lot of Land, containing
two hundred two and one half acres, situate, lying, and being in the Twenty
second District of Wilkinson County in the said State which said tract or
lot of land is not only distinguished in the plan of said district by number
forty four having such shape, form, and marks as appear by a plat of the
same hereunto annexed: To have and to hold the said Tract or Lot, together
with all and singular, the rights, members, and appurtenances thereof,
whatsoever, unto the said Thomas Poythress' Orphans their heirs and assigns;
to them and their proper use, benefit, and behoof for ever in fee simple.
Given under my hand and the Great Seal of the said State, this eighth day of
May in the year 1809 and of the Independence of America the thirty third.
Signed by His Excellence the governor, this 8th day of May 1809). Jared
Irwin, James Bozeman, S. E. D. Registered the 8th day of May 1809. [Note:
the above, with minor variations, is a common format for a lottery grant].		01/31/2006 11:22:40
William Poythress, of Bertie County, son of John Poythress, Jr., of Martin's Brandon, Part 1Michael TutorThis is a re-posting with the material that Barbara posted last week. As she
stated in her posting, we need to update our records from time to time in
order to further our efforts.

The Fourth Generation: William Poythress, son of John Poythress, of Martin's
Brandon parish
R. Bolling Batte on William Poythress [79 vi. William Poythress was born AFT
1717 in VA [(P_1) DCC].]

Family
William Poythress was born about 1720, the son of John Poythress and Mary
(Hardyman?). He married Sarah and they were known to be of Bertie County,
North Carolina, by 1756. His mother, Mary, married John Abington after the
death of his father, John Poythress, Jr.

Inheritance
In Prince George County, the Will of John Poythress, of Martin's Brandon
parish, in Prince George County, proved May 12, 1724. I give my son, John
Poythress, and his heirs, my plantation where I now live, 100 acres of land,
as also 100 acres of land adjoining, called Colebrooks, taking in the Ivy
point, so running down Hugh Evans' Spring Bottom to William Stainback's
corner poplar, and also I give my said son, John Poythress, and to his
heirs, my tract of land lying on the south side of the main Blackwater
Swamp, not debarring his brothers, Francis and William Poythress, from
getting timber for their plantations' use, as also giving them liberty to
drive their stocks of hogs and cattle upon the land, if they shall think
fit, and if it should please God to take him out of the world before he
comes to the age of 21 years, or without heirs of his body lawfully
begotten, then my will and pleasure is that my son, Francis Poythress,
should possess all the above said lands as is mentioned, and to his heirs
lawfully begotten forever. I give my son, Francis Poythress, and his heirs,
land lying at and about the place called Brick Chimneys, binding upon my
son, John Poythress', and brother, Thomas Poythress' lands, so round the
Deep Bottom, taking in the whole tract or dividend of land, and if it should
please God to take him out of the world before he arrives to the age of 21
years, or without heirs of his body lawfully begotten, then my will and
pleasure is that my son, William Poythress, should possess all the above
said land mentioned, and to his heirs lawfully begotten forever. I give my
two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and their heirs, 280 acres, joining to
Thomas Poythress' land, so running a south course over the horn branch, and
so binding upon John Young's, Dorrel Young's, and John Winningham's land, to
be equally divided betwixt my two sons, John and Francis Poythress, and to
their heirs forever. I give my son, William Poythress, and his heirs, 150
acres, binding upon Thomas Poythress' and Thomas Lovesay's land, formerly
belonging to Joseph Patterson, called Powell's, and if it should please God
to take him out of the world before he arrives to the age of 21 years, or
without heirs of his body lawfully begotten, then my will and pleasure is
that my son, John Poythress, should possess the above mentioned land, and
his heirs lawfully begotten forever. I give my son, John Poythress, a small
featherbed and furniture, six new rush leather chairs, one chest, one gun,
and a mare, a young horse, and the increase of her forever, to him and his
heirs for ever. I give my son, Francis Poythress, a small feather bed and
furniture, one young mare about three years old, and her increase to him and
his heirs for ever. I give my son, William Poythress, a bay mare, and her
increase, to him and his heirs for ever. I give my three sons, John, Francis
and William Poythress, all my stock of hogs and cattle, to be equally
divided amongst them, only what I shall give hereafter unto my loving wife,
Mary Poythress, which is four cows and calves, and a parcel of hogs as uses
about Colebrooks, about twenty or thirty of them, and my will further is
that as much of the stock be disposed of as will be of value sufficient to
enter and survey 400 acres of land in the woods, according to the discretion
of my executors, for my son, William Poythress, and to be patented in his
name, and then the remaining part of the stock to be equally divided between
my three sons, John, Francis and William Poythress, and their heirs forever.
I give my three sons, John, Francis and William Poythress, my three negroes,
Betty, Judy and Grace, and their increase, to be equally divided when my
son, William Poythress comes to the age of 18 years, and my will and desire
is that my son, John Poythress, should have the aforesaid negroes, with
their increase, in his possession, when he shall attain to the age of 21,
and there to remain till my son, William, attains to the age of 18 years,
then they and their increase to be equally divided between my three sons,
John, Francis and William Poythress, and to their heirs lawfully begotten
forever. I give my daughter, Rebecca Poythress, my negro man, Tom, and one
featherbed and furniture, to her and her heirs for ever. I give my daughter,
Elizabeth Poythress, my negro boy, Jamy, to her and her heirs for ever.I
give my daughter, Ann Poythress, my negro boy, Will, to her and her heirs
for ever. I give my loving wife, Mary Poythress, my negro man, Seipis, one
featherbed and furniture, four cows and calves and a parcel of hogs uses
about Colebrooks, and all my pewter, brass, and iron, as I am possessed
with, and my two working horses, and all the rest of the small matters as is
not mentioned in this my last Will and Testament, to her and her heirs for
ever. I appoint Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, pastor, my executors of
this my last Will and Testament. The witnesses, Francis Epes, Jr., William
Stainback and John Winningham. At a Court held at Merchant's Hope for Prince
George County, on Tuesday, May 12, 1724, the last Will and testament of John
Poythress, deceased, was exhibited into court by Robert Poythress and John
Woodlief, his executors, who made oath thereto, and it was proved by the
oaths of Francis Epes, William Stainback and John Winningham. And on the
motion of the said Robert Poythress and John Woodlief, executors, and their
giving Bond and Security according to law, Certificate was granted them for
obtaining a probate of the said Will in due form. The Will was recorded,
August 11, 1724, at a court at Merchant's Hope, for Prince George County,
with an account of personal property items valued at £209/14/5. John
Stainback, John Winningham and William Stainback were the appraisers.

The 150 acres called Powell's, left to William Poythress, was bought by his
father, John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), on November 8, 1720, from Francis
Poythress, John's uncle. The land that was inherited by John Poythress' son,
John Poythress, was possibly bought by John Poythress (c. 1681-1724), on
October 23, 1703, and on September 5, 1723.

On December 13, 1726, in the Prince George County court, the inventory of
the estate of Captain John Poythress, deceased, was valued at £130/12/8. The
executors of the Will were Robert Poythress and John Woodlief. The legatees
were Mary, his wife, Rebecca, his daughter, Elizabeth, his daughter, Colonel
William Randolph, Captain Richard Randolph and John Fitzgerald, among
others.		01/31/2006 11:25:12
William Poythress, of Bertie County, son of John Poythress, Jr., of Martin's Brandon, Part 2Michael TutorGuardian of William Poythress
On March 13, 1739, in the Prince George County court, on the complaints of
William Poythress, one of the orphans of John Poythress, of Jordan's,
deceased, who was bound as apprentice to Robert Simpson, of this county, for
misusage and which complaints appeared to be just the said William was
discharged from the apprenticeship and chose Charles Irby, his guardian, who
had time until the next court to appear and give bond and security.

Property: Land
(Possibly William Poythress, son of John Poythress, Jr., (c. 1681-1724), as
he was to have 400 acres bought for him as per his father's Will).
On March 24, 1735, William Poythress, Gentleman, was granted 400 acres near
Sapponi Chappel, in Prince George County, adjoining Robert Bolling, by the
side of the Nottaway River Road, crossing Stephen's Branch. On September 25,
1746, John Wagnon, 576 acres, in Prince George County, on the south side of
Stoney Creek, adjoining Robert Bolling, the land purchased of William
Poythress, by the side of the Nottoway River Road, 400 acres part thereof
being formerly granted unto William Poythress by our letters patent bearing
date March 24, 1734, the right and title of which the 400 acres has become
vested in John Wagnon, and 176 acres the residue never before granted.
[note: Poythress appears frequently hereafter in the Wagnon family as a
middle name; even into Burke and Green Counties, Georgia].

On September 8, 1753, in Bertie County, North Carolina, William Poythress,
of Bertie County, purchased 100 acres on Jumping Run adjacent to John
Harrell.
On December 8, 1755, in Bertie County, North Carolina, Peter Hays and wife,
Bether [Butrice?], sold 100 acres to Thomas Hays for £10 on the south side
of Cashy Swamp. The witnesses were William Poythress, George Vann and John
Bryan. On October 21, 1756, in Bertie County, North Carolina, William
Poythress, of Bertie County, in North Carolina, and wife, Sarah, sold 100
acres to Matthew Turner, of Bertie County, in North Carolina, adjoining
Gristock, over Jumping Run in the fork, adjoining John Harrell, to the first
station, it being out of a deed granted to Thomas Page, the said deed
bearing date 1753. Sarah Poythress, the wife of William Poythress, freely
surrendered all her right of dower. The witnesses were Henry Averet and
George House. On December 16, 1756, in Bertie County, North Carolina, Edward
Boyd and wife, Abigale, of Society Parish, sold 200 acres to Samuel Jobe for
£16, land granted Barnaby Bryant, December 13, 1755. The witnesses were
William Poythress and James Abington. On October 9, 1764, William Poythress,
of Hertford County, sold 140 acres, in Bertie County, between the lines of
William and Thomas Outlaw.
In February, 1764, in Bertie County, North Carolina, William Poythress was
ordered to serve on the grand jury. The same court allowed him to keep a
tavern at his dwelling house.
In June, 1765, in Bertie County, North Carolina, he won a judgement for £6,
5 shillings, against William Bryan in the Bertie County court.
In December, 1768, William Poythress made a Northampton County deed of gift
of household goods to Richard Outlaw for affection he had for Rachel Outlaw.
In 1779, William Poythress was taxed on 150 acres in the 4th District of
Hertford County, North Carolina. (Hertford County was formed in 1759 from
parts of Bertie, Chowan and Northampton Counties).
In 1779, William Poythress appeared in Hertford County, North Carolina.
In 1782, William Poythress was taxed on 200 acres in the 4th District of
Hertford County, North Carolina.
In 1787, William Poythress appeared in Freemans District, Bertie County,
North Carolina.

This may be the son of William and Sarah Poythress, and the grandson of John
Poythress, Jr.:
Bertie County, North Carolina, Marriage Bond: September 27, 1785. William
Poythress and Anna Lewis. Henry Averett.		01/31/2006 11:27:28
Re: DNA Study updatePatBarbara, I have considered entering my brother before but his surname is not
Poythress.

His lineage would be:

William & Julia Poythress of Greensville Co, VA
Edward O'Neal & Martha Poythress
Jospehine O'Neal & Charles Johnson
him
So I am guessing based on your lines at the bottom of your email, that he/we
would get nothing out of this DNA test since he does not have the surname
Poythress and is actually 3 generations removed from it.

Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:19 PM
Subject: DNA Study update


> Dear Poythress-List & DNA Study participants,
>
> This is a report from your volunteer Group Administrator, Barbara
> Poythress Neal, regarding our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study.
>
> More participants now:
>
> Our Study now has 13 participants. The test kits from the 2 most recent
> participants have just been received back at FamilyTreeDNA; those 2 kits
> will be sent to the lab within the week. Both men are getting the
> 37-marker tests, and the company indicates that those test results require
> about 6 weeks.
>
> One of these newest participants, Lee, is from the line of "Jack" Fredrick
> Elmo D'Auther Poythress, who we think is descended from James R.
> Portis/Poythress & Sarah Crowder.
>
> The other newest participant, John, is in England (where the surname is
> consistently spelled Poytress). He is descended from John, who, in the
> early 1600s, owned Ploddy House at Newent, Gloucestershire. Our
> participant is descended through John's son, Christopher Poytress, who was
> christened 1616. Christopher's elder brother was "our Francis" who was
> christened 1609, and who came to Virginia by 1632 -- about 375 years ago.
>
> Thus the closest potential "ancestor-in-common" was born more than 400
> years ago. I'm quite interested to see how similar/different the results
> will be.
>
> Other updates:
>
> The re-examination of the 12-marker test for Victor (first cousin of BPW)
> clarified that all 12 of his markers exactly matched those of most of our
> other Study participants. You may recall that initially one of his 12
> markers, #393, showed up as having one fewer "repeat" than the other
> Poythress men who had then been tested, so we asked that his #393 be
> re-examined. The re-examination confirmed that Victor's reading was
> "14" -- same as the other participants on #393.
>
> However, the long-awaited re-examination of a marker for Neil, our
> known-descendent of Lewis Poythress, who lived in Virginia from about 1771
> to about 1847) did not have that result. On one of Neil's first 12 markers
> (#439) from his 37-marker test, it was finally confirmed that indeed his
> reading on #439 is "12" while our other participants' readings on it are
> "13" -- indicating that Neil had one fewer "repeat."
>
> As markers mutate, they repeat themselves one more time. *When* they do so
> is random. This marker (#439) is one of the markers having a faster
> mutation rate. I don't pretend to be a scientist, so I cannot explain the
> logic that Neil's marker #439 has *not* mutated while the other
> participants' has. Still surprising to me. Guess that the random nature of
> the mutations is the reason.
>
> There are some other differences in our various participants' readings
> beyond those first 12 markers. As we get more participants in the Study,
> the groupings of men whose readings are similar to each others' will give
> us more insight, especially when we compare what we know about their lines
> of descent.
>
> Thanks again to each of you who are participating in our Y-DNA Study.
> Other men who are surnamed Poythress or Poytress (or similar spellings)
> are welcome to participate. The website of the company where our Study is
> registered is www.familytreedna.com Much information is available there
> regarding DNA and DNA testing.
>
> Cheers,
> Barbara Poythress Neal
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>		02/01/2006 4:05:07
Re: Michael's great VA Poythress compilationsMichael TutorBarbara,

Thanks. Hope something good comes from it......Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:21 AM
Subject: Michael's great VA Poythress compilations


> Michael - thank you so much for all the tremendous postings you've done
> of compilations of documents for the various early Poythress men. This
> is an amazing amount of work you've done, that will be a great help to
> us for a long time to come.
> Barbara
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>		02/01/2006 7:45:39
DNA Study updateBarbara P. NealDear Poythress-List & DNA Study participants,

This is a report from your volunteer Group Administrator, Barbara
Poythress Neal, regarding our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study.

More participants now:

Our Study now has 13 participants. The test kits from the 2 most recent
participants have just been received back at FamilyTreeDNA; those 2 kits
will be sent to the lab within the week. Both men are getting the
37-marker tests, and the company indicates that those test results
require about 6 weeks.

One of these newest participants, Lee, is from the line of "Jack"
Fredrick Elmo D'Auther Poythress, who we think is descended from James
R. Portis/Poythress & Sarah Crowder.

The other newest participant, John, is in England (where the surname is
consistently spelled Poytress). He is descended from John, who, in the
early 1600s, owned Ploddy House at Newent, Gloucestershire. Our
participant is descended through John's son, Christopher Poytress, who
was christened 1616. Christopher's elder brother was "our Francis" who
was christened 1609, and who came to Virginia by 1632 -- about 375 years
ago.

Thus the closest potential "ancestor-in-common" was born more than 400
years ago. I'm quite interested to see how similar/different the results
will be.

Other updates:

The re-examination of the 12-marker test for Victor (first cousin of
BPW) clarified that all 12 of his markers exactly matched those of most
of our other Study participants. You may recall that initially one of
his 12 markers, #393, showed up as having one fewer "repeat" than the
other Poythress men who had then been tested, so we asked that his #393
be re-examined. The re-examination confirmed that Victor's reading was
"14" -- same as the other participants on #393.

However, the long-awaited re-examination of a marker for Neil, our
known-descendent of Lewis Poythress, who lived in Virginia from about
1771 to about 1847) did not have that result. On one of Neil's first 12
markers (#439) from his 37-marker test, it was finally confirmed that
indeed his reading on #439 is "12" while our other participants'
readings on it are "13" -- indicating that Neil had one fewer "repeat."

As markers mutate, they repeat themselves one more time. *When* they do
so is random. This marker (#439) is one of the markers having a faster
mutation rate. I don't pretend to be a scientist, so I cannot explain
the logic that Neil's marker #439 has *not* mutated while the other
participants' has. Still surprising to me. Guess that the random nature
of the mutations is the reason.

There are some other differences in our various participants' readings
beyond those first 12 markers. As we get more participants in the Study,
the groupings of men whose readings are similar to each others' will
give us more insight, especially when we compare what we know about
their lines of descent.

Thanks again to each of you who are participating in our Y-DNA Study.
Other men who are surnamed Poythress or Poytress (or similar spellings)
are welcome to participate. The website of the company where our Study
is registered is www.familytreedna.com Much information is available
there regarding DNA and DNA testing.

Cheers,
Barbara Poythress Neal		02/01/2006 8:19:47
Re: DNA Study updateThanks for the update Barbara.
Judy
>
> From: "Barbara P. Neal"
> Date: 2006/02/01 Wed PM 06:19:47 EST
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: DNA Study update
>
> Dear Poythress-List & DNA Study participants,
>
> This is a report from your volunteer Group Administrator, Barbara
> Poythress Neal, regarding our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study.
>
> More participants now:
>
> Our Study now has 13 participants. The test kits from the 2 most recent
> participants have just been received back at FamilyTreeDNA; those 2 kits
> will be sent to the lab within the week. Both men are getting the
> 37-marker tests, and the company indicates that those test results
> require about 6 weeks.
>
> One of these newest participants, Lee, is from the line of "Jack"
> Fredrick Elmo D'Auther Poythress, who we think is descended from James
> R. Portis/Poythress & Sarah Crowder.
>
> The other newest participant, John, is in England (where the surname is
> consistently spelled Poytress). He is descended from John, who, in the
> early 1600s, owned Ploddy House at Newent, Gloucestershire. Our
> participant is descended through John's son, Christopher Poytress, who
> was christened 1616. Christopher's elder brother was "our Francis" who
> was christened 1609, and who came to Virginia by 1632 -- about 375 years
> ago.
>
> Thus the closest potential "ancestor-in-common" was born more than 400
> years ago. I'm quite interested to see how similar/different the results
> will be.
>
> Other updates:
>
> The re-examination of the 12-marker test for Victor (first cousin of
> BPW) clarified that all 12 of his markers exactly matched those of most
> of our other Study participants. You may recall that initially one of
> his 12 markers, #393, showed up as having one fewer "repeat" than the
> other Poythress men who had then been tested, so we asked that his #393
> be re-examined. The re-examination confirmed that Victor's reading was
> "14" -- same as the other participants on #393.
>
> However, the long-awaited re-examination of a marker for Neil, our
> known-descendent of Lewis Poythress, who lived in Virginia from about
> 1771 to about 1847) did not have that result. On one of Neil's first 12
> markers (#439) from his 37-marker test, it was finally confirmed that
> indeed his reading on #439 is "12" while our other participants'
> readings on it are "13" -- indicating that Neil had one fewer "repeat."
>
> As markers mutate, they repeat themselves one more time. *When* they do
> so is random. This marker (#439) is one of the markers having a faster
> mutation rate. I don't pretend to be a scientist, so I cannot explain
> the logic that Neil's marker #439 has *not* mutated while the other
> participants' has. Still surprising to me. Guess that the random nature
> of the mutations is the reason.
>
> There are some other differences in our various participants' readings
> beyond those first 12 markers. As we get more participants in the Study,
> the groupings of men whose readings are similar to each others' will
> give us more insight, especially when we compare what we know about
> their lines of descent.
>
> Thanks again to each of you who are participating in our Y-DNA Study.
> Other men who are surnamed Poythress or Poytress (or similar spellings)
> are welcome to participate. The website of the company where our Study
> is registered is www.familytreedna.com Much information is available
> there regarding DNA and DNA testing.
>
> Cheers,
> Barbara Poythress Neal
>
>
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> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>		02/01/2006 11:43:28
Re: DNA Study update - PatBarbara P. NealHi Pat,
Good to hear from you. Yes, your guess is correct, that your brother
would have no Poythress Y-DNA. Guys inherit the Y-DNA of their fathers &
on back up their paternal line. Thanks for thinking about it, though.
Barbara



02/02/2006 2:55:26
Re: picture on websiteSo it seems, Barbara, but no one in the family knew who these people were or
why we had the picture.
Well, I guess it does mean a cousin connection, Maynard.
Well I thought it was a interesting little tid bit.
Regards,
Teresa



02/02/2006 4:05:24
William Poythress chancery case-Mecklenburg VAJulie CabittoI went to Library of VA today and found another chancery article with Poythress in it. I don't remember seeing it on the website, so just in case I'll sent you the jist of it. In his deposition he tells he was a Confederate.

This is regarding Mecklenburg Co., VA chancery case:
On the index it says: William L. Portress & Exr. or Nancy Thomas 1880-030CC
Throughout the case he is listed as "Poythress"

The file was probably 80 pages, so I only copied a few pages and read through it. Here's just a summary and genealogical info from the case:

If it helps anyone, to place the location of this family, William Bennett Thomas' brother Robin Thomas lived on Nelly Jones Rd. (Blackridge/Bracey area)
____________________________________________
William Poythress sues executor of Nancy Thomas estate. Nancy House was the wife of William Bennett Thomas. William L. Poythress says Nancy was his grandmother, and he wasn't getting his inheritance. There is about 50 pages of witnesses, stating how the property value was depleted and Confederate currency no longer valid, so heirs can't get what was originally promised.

Included in this chancery is the will of Nancy House Thomas. (If interested in full copy of will, let me know and I'll email it) Nancy and William Bennett Thomas had a daughter named Lucy J. Thomas who married Thomas M. Poythress.
In the will Lucy's name is spelled "Lucie J. Poythress"
_______________________________________
Will states:
" I bequeath to my Lucie J. Poythress all the Ran (??) cotton I now have to her and her heirs forever.....I bequeath to my grandson William L. Poythress all the remainder of mine estate whether it consists of money, bonds, accounts or other property to him and his heirs forever."
Dec 1864

It appears the finances were adjusted to compensate for loss of value and a new amount figured to be owed to William.

The last thing I wanted to share I found really interesting. It's an interview with William Poythress. Here it is in it's entirety:
_____________________________________________________________________________
"The deposition of William L. Poythress taken before me this November 3rd, 1879 to be read as evidence in behalf of himself, deff. in a certain matter of account referred to me for settlement by a decree of the circuit court of Mecklenburg at it's June term 1879 in the chancery case of Poythress Vs. Riggan, Exr etc.

Present AS (?) Lee attorney for deff.
" RT Thorp attorney for deft.

"WL Poythress being duly sworn testifies and says___

"1st Question by Defts atty
What was the relationship of the testatrix (?), Mrs. Nancy M. Thomas, to you, who its appeared died in this county Dec 1864?

Ans
She was my grandmother.

"2nd question by same
"Where were you at the time of her death and in what kind of service were you at that time engaged?

Ans
I was in the Confederate Army at Petersburg in Company "D" 44th VA Battalion-

3rd question by same
State any conversation you may have had with the defendant EH Riggin Ex'or of Mrs. Nancy M. Thomas, at or about what time that conversation occurred and what statement the said defendant then made to you in regard to the amount in his hands as such Ex'or and how much he stated was in his hands and due to you from him as Ex'or as aforesaid?

Ans
I went to Dr Riggins in 1866 about the last of July or first of August and he told me he hadn't settled up the estate exactly yet. He thought when he did settle up there would be something coming to me-He said there might be between three or four hundred dollars coming to me as far as he knowed, but he couldn't tell until he had settled it up.

(Julie's note: The words "4th question" was written then crossed out, but the question itself was not crossed out.)

"Did you understand Dr. Riggan as stating at the time mentioned ie in July or August 1866, a sum of money between three and four hundred dollars and that that sum was due to you as legatee under the will of Mrs. Nancy M. Thomas

"Note
Question excepted to because it is plainly a leading question and therefore not a proper one to be asked by Deffs counsel-

Ans
I understood him to say between three and four hundred dollars and I took it for granted that there would be something due me after he settled it up though I did not know how much.

5th Question by same
State in what manner you understood the statement made to you by the defendant EH Riggan, as to the amount of money he owed you as legatee in the will of Mrs. Nancy M. Thomas?

Ans
Well I didn't understood any amount as due-He said there might be some three or four hundred dollars coming to me as far as he knowed. He couldn't tell until after he settled up the estate. And further desponent saith not.
WL Poythress

(Julie's note: he signed his name)

This desposition was subscribed and sworn to before me this 3rd November 1879.
CJ Faulkner, commnr		02/04/2006 12:29:50
Re: William Poythress chancery case-Mecklenburg VABarbara P. NealHi Julie,

Thanks so much for your info from this Mecklenburg Co, VA chancery case,
William L. Portress (Poythress) & Exr. or Nancy Thomas 1880-030CC. This
is one of the Chancery Court cases that, back in August 2001, we had
only a little part of. Appreciate you reviewing the full 80 pages &
letting us know the gist of the whole thing.

Yes, I'd appreciate you emailing me the full copy of the will of Nancy
House Thomas, wife of William Bennett Thomas.

Cheers, Barbara
bp_neal@earthlink.net		02/05/2006 6:59:03
Hardiman PoythressMichael TutorThe following seems to be the only records that have been found for the
several Hardiman Poythress men. There is so little information that we will
have to wait until further records are located to identify any relationship
between them and other relatives.


Hardiman Poythress (-c. 1810)

The following Hardiman Poythress died in or around about 1810 and Elizabeth
Poythress, the widow of William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810), evidently cared
for his orphaned children.

Note: Only heads of households were named in the censuses before 1850. The
following censuses are a version of "virtual censuses" naming the
individuals that should have been in the household based upon available
information and family records, etc.

Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m
10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44.
(Virtual census):
Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William
Poythress 1765-c. 1810)
Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1784 (possibly
son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1785 (possibly son
of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Mary Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly
daughter of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1794 (possibly
son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
3 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly children of Hardiman Poythress)

In November, 1811, in the Prince George County Court, Nathaniel Marks,
Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, was to pay Elizabeth
Poythress for benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman Poythress.


Hardiman Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia

The following Hardiman Poythress was too old to have been one of the orphans
living with Elizabeth Poythress in the 1810, Prince George County, Virginia,
census. By about 1785, Thomas Poythress, Sr., and Francis Poythress (-d.
bef. 1807) were living in Greene County, Georgia. This Hardiman Poythress
(b. bef. 1795-d. aft. 1838) was first mentioned in 1812, in Georgia, and
Joseph Poythress (1789-1853) was mentioned in 1814 in Warren County,
Georgia. Joseph Poythress named one of his sons John Hardiman Poythress
(1826-1846).

In the War of 1812, Hardeman Paythress/Portress, was on a roster of the 2nd
Regiment (Thomas'), Georgia Militia.

On June 27, 1826, in the Georgia Journal, Milledgeville, Georgia, "On the
first Tuesday in August next, will be
sold at the court-house in the town of Greenesborough, Greene County...the
following property, to wit:
Three negroes...all levied on as the property of Daniel Wagnon, to satisfy a
fi fa in favor of Reuben Ransom,
Sr., for the use of Jesse Perkins vs. Daniel Wagnon and John Mallery
security on stay. One bay horse, levied
on as the property of Hardaman Poythress, to satisfy a fi fa in favor of
James Woodruff & Co. (Signed)
Nicholas Howard, D. Sheriff.

Hardiman, with its various spellings, was a Poythress given name. This
Hardiman may have been from Virginia or had a namesake there. Hardiman did
not appear in the Thomas Poythress line.

The 1832 or "Sixth" Georgia Land Lottery was an umbrella term to cover what
was in reality the last "two" lotteries, the Cherokee land lottery and the
Gold Lottery. While legislation for these two lotteries was passed in 1830
and 1831, both drawings were held in 1832. In the Cherokee Land Lottery, the
lands available in this lottery eventually become the counties of Cass,
Cherokee, Cobb, Floyd, Forsyth, Gilmer, Murray, Paulding, and Union. Land
lot sizes were 160 acres. The grant fee for registering the land in order to
sell it or move to it was $18.00. In the 1832 Gold Lottery, lands available
were the remaining part of original Cherokee County but was that area deemed
to have a potential to be "gold" land instead of "farm" land. The lot sizes
were fixed at 40 acres. The grant fee was the same as the land lottery: $18.
Name County Military District
District/Section/Lot Land Drawn Type
Poythress, Joseph (soldier) Troup Tally's
7/4/14 Cherokee Land
Poythress, Joseph (soldier) Troup Tally's
2/3/7 Cherokee Gold
Poythress, Hardimend Greene 143
2/2/752 Cherokee Gold
Poythress, Sarah E. (orphan) Screven 34th
6/3/204 Cherokee Land
Poythress, Meredith Sr. Screven 36th
16/2/1078 Cobb Gold
Poythress, Meredith Jr. Screven 36th
3/3/76 Cobb Gold
Poythress, Sarah M. (widow) Chatham 1st 16/2/471
Cobb Gold

Joseph Poythress (1789-1853), of Troup County, is well known although his
ancestor is not. The Hardimend Poythress, of Greene County, should not be
confused with John Hardaman Poythress (1826-1846), the son of Joseph and
Mary King Poythress, of Troup County. John Hardaman Poythress would not have
met the age requirement to participate. Hardimend Poythress' winning draw
for "gold" was taken up December 22, 1835.

On Thursday, March 14, 1833, in the Greene County, Georgia Superior Court
Minutes, in the case of John Chew versus Albert T. Green, It appearing to
the court that the property levied upon by the above attachment is of a
perishable nature, it is on motion of counsel ordered that the property be
sold and the proceeds be deposited to the clerk's office to wait the further
order of the Court. Signed: Augustus Wallace, Silas Burns, etc. etc.,
Hardiman Poythress, etc. (petit jurors for the case).


John Hardiman Poythress (1826-1846) was the son of Joseph Poythress and Mary
King.

John Hardiman Poythress had a younger brother named Francis Andrew
Poythress. The Francis Poythress (-d. bef. 1807), of Greene County, Georgia,
later of Hancock County, Georgia, was alive in 1805 but deceased by 1807. It
seems very likely that there was a close family relationship between Francis
Poythress and Hardiman Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia, and with Joseph
Poythress, of Warren County, Georgia, later of Troup County, Georgia.

Joseph Poythress appeared in the 1820 census. John Hardiman would have been
at home in the 1830 and 1840 censuses. Francis Andrew Poythress would have
been at home in the 1840 census.

Joseph Poythress, 1820, Warren Co., Ga., p. 305, 1 m under 10, 1 m 16-25, 1
m 26-44, 1 f 16-25, 3 m slaves under 14, 1 m slave 14-25, 1 m slave 26-44, 1
f slave 14-25.
(Virtual census):
Joseph Poythress b. 1776-1794 b. c. 1789
Mary Poythress b. 1795-1804 b. June 30, 1798
1 M 16-25 b. 1795-1804
William B. Poythress b. 1810-1820 b. abt. 1818
[Joseph and Mary married April 24, 1814, in Warren County, Georgia].

Joseph Poythress, 1830, Troup Co., Ga., p. 35, 2 m under 5, 1 m 10-14, 1 m
20-29, 1 m 40-49, 1 f under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 30-39, 3 m slaves under 10, 3 m
slaves 10-23, 5 m slaves 20-35, 2 f slaves under 10, 1 f slave 10-23, 3 f
24-35.
(Virtual census):
Joseph Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. c. 1789
Mary Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. June 30, 1798
1 M 20-29 b. 1801-1810 b. 1800
William B. Poythress b. 1816-1820 b. c. 1818
Mary Ann E. Poythress b. 1821-1825 b. c. 1822
Russell K. Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1823
John Hardaman Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1826
Sarah Jane Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1828

Joseph Poythress, 1840, Troup Co., Ga., p. 344, 1 m under 5, 2 m 10-14, 1 m
20-29, 1 m 40-49, 1 m 50-59, 1 f under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 40-49, 1 m slave
under 10, 3 m slaves 10-23, 2 f slaves under 10, 2 f slaves 10-23, 1 f slave
24-34.
(Virtual census):
Joseph Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. abt. 1789
Mary Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. June 30, 1798
1 M 40-49 b. 1791-1800 b. 1800
William B. Poythress b. 1811-1820 b. abt. 1818
Russell K. Poythress b. 1826-1830 b. abt. 1823
John Hardaman Poythress b. 1826-1830 b. abt. 1826
Sarah Jane Poythress b. 1831-1835 b. abt. 1828
Francis Andrew Poythress b. 1835-1840 b. April 4, 1836
1 F under 5 b. 1835-1840		02/08/2006 8:45:31
Elizabeth Bland Poythress (1770-), wife of William Poythress (c. 1765-1810), of BranchesterMichael TutorA couple of documents may provide the answers as to who was living in
"Betty" Poythress' household in 1810. The following "virtual census" is
provided due to the lack of names in a census prior to 1850 when only the
head of the household was listed.

Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m
10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44.
(Virtual census):
Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William
Poythress 1765-c. 1810)
Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1784 (possibly
son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1785 (possibly son
of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Mary Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly
daughter of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1794 (possibly
son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly child of Hardiman Poythress)
1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly child of Hardiman Poythress)
1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly child of Hardiman Poythress)

On May 15, 1810, in the Prince George County Surveyor's record, Pursuant to
an Order of the court and by direction of John Batte, John H. Peterson and
Peter Epes, I surveyed the estate of William Poythress, deceased, on Old
Courthouse Road. William Poythress' land was called "Branchester" and
Simmons branch. The Plat shows 200 acres to Patrick Poythress, 313 acres to
William Poythress, 50 acres to Joshua Poythress and 300 acres to Thomas
Poythress. Robert Turnbull was the County Surveyor.
In November, 1811, in the Prince George County Court, Nathaniel Marks,
Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, was to pay Elizabeth
Poythress for the benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman Poythress.

Based upon the above, it looks like Betty became responsible for the
children of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam. Betty's husband, William
Poythress, of Branchester, seems to have provided for his cousin's children
through the division of his property. As to Elizabeth Poythress, who married
Richard Marks, and was the daughter of Betty and William Poythress, she was
most likely married by 1810. Patrick Henry Poythress, the oldest son and
child of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam was most likely living on his
own plantation and married to Mary Epes.

The three youngest males are most likely the orphans of Hardiman Poythress
as she was taking care of his infant children.

It is interesting to note the surnames of Hardiman Poythress' administrator
and Elizabeth Poythress' husband - "Marks."

In August, 1811, in the Prince George County court, the Will of William
Poythress, of Branchester, was proved. In December, 1811, the Will of
William Poythress was further proved by Sarah Stiles.		02/08/2006 10:00:03
Elizabeth Bland Poythress (1770-), wife of William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810), of Branchester, correctionMichael TutorCorrection to the previous message.

A couple of documents may provide the answers as to who was living in
"Betty" Poythress' household in 1810. The following "virtual census" is
provided due to the lack of names in a census prior to 1850 when only the
head of the household was listed.

Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m
10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44.
(Virtual census):
Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William
Poythress 1765-c. 1810)
Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1784 (possibly
son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1785 (possibly son
of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Mary Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly
daughter of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1794 (possibly
son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Elizabeth Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1800 (probably the
daughter of Wm. and Elizabeth Bland Poythress)
1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly child of Hardiman Poythress)
1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly child of Hardiman Poythress)
1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly child of Hardiman Poythress)

On May 15, 1810, in the Prince George County Surveyor's record, Pursuant to
an Order of the court and by direction of John Batte, John H. Peterson and
Peter Epes, I surveyed the estate of William Poythress, deceased, on Old
Courthouse Road. William Poythress' land was called "Branchester" and
Simmons branch. The Plat shows 200 acres to Patrick Poythress, 313 acres to
William Poythress, 50 acres to Joshua Poythress and 300 acres to Thomas
Poythress. Robert Turnbull was the County Surveyor.
In November, 1811, in the Prince George County Court, Nathaniel Marks,
Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, was to pay Elizabeth
Poythress for the benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman Poythress.

Based upon the above, it looks like Betty became responsible for the
children of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam. Betty's husband, William
Poythress, of Branchester, seems to have provided for his cousin's children
through the division of his property. Patrick Henry Poythress, the oldest
son and
child of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam was most likely living on his
own plantation and married to Mary Epes. Elizabeth Poythress, daughter of
William Poythress and Elizabeth Bland, married Richard Marks and lived at
Branchester.

The three youngest males are most likely the orphans of Hardiman Poythress
as she was taking care of his infant children.

It is interesting to note the surnames of Hardiman Poythress' administrator
and Elizabeth Poythress' husband - "Marks."

In August, 1811, in the Prince George County court, the Will of William
Poythress, of Branchester, was proved. In December, 1811, the Will of
William Poythress was further proved by Sarah Stiles.		02/08/2006 11:20:26
Elizabeth Bland Poythress (1770-), wife of William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810), of Branchester, correctionMichael TutorCorrection to the previous message.

A couple of documents may provide the answers as to who was living in
"Betty" Poythress' household in 1810. The following "virtual census" is
provided due to the lack of names in a census prior to 1850 when only the
head of the household was listed.

Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m
10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44.
(Virtual census):
Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William
Poythress 1765-c. 1810)
Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1784 (possibly
son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1785 (possibly son
of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Mary Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly
daughter of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1794 (possibly
son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Elizabeth Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1800 (probably the
daughter of Wm. and Elizabeth Bland Poythress)
1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly child of Hardiman Poythress)
1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly child of Hardiman Poythress)
1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly child of Hardiman Poythress)

On May 15, 1810, in the Prince George County Surveyor's record, Pursuant to
an Order of the court and by direction of John Batte, John H. Peterson and
Peter Epes, I surveyed the estate of William Poythress, deceased, on Old
Courthouse Road. William Poythress' land was called "Branchester" and
Simmons branch. The Plat shows 200 acres to Patrick Poythress, 313 acres to
William Poythress, 50 acres to Joshua Poythress and 300 acres to Thomas
Poythress. Robert Turnbull was the County Surveyor.
In November, 1811, in the Prince George County Court, Nathaniel Marks,
Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, was to pay Elizabeth
Poythress for the benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman Poythress.

Based upon the above, it looks like Betty became responsible for the
children of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam. Betty's husband, William
Poythress, of Branchester, seems to have provided for his cousin's children
through the division of his property. Patrick Henry Poythress, the oldest
son and
child of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam was most likely living on his
own plantation and married to Mary Epes. Elizabeth Poythress, daughter of
William Poythress and Elizabeth Bland, married Richard Marks and lived at
Branchester.

The three youngest males are most likely the orphans of Hardiman Poythress
as she was taking care of his infant children.

It is interesting to note the surnames of Hardiman Poythress' administrator
and Elizabeth Poythress' husband - "Marks."

In August, 1811, in the Prince George County court, the Will of William
Poythress, of Branchester, was proved. In December, 1811, the Will of
William Poythress was further proved by Sarah Stiles.		02/08/2006 11:26:06
Re: Hardiman PoythressCrystalHere's what I have on Hardiman Poythress. He is our stumbling block for the Northampton County group of Poythress.


Head of a Northampton County household of 3 free males and 2 free females in Captain Williams' District of the state census and 5 "other free" in 1790 [NC:72].

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Jesse Mitchell was granted administration on his estate by the Northampton County court on only 50 pounds bond [Minutes 1792-96, 219].

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Revolutionary War Records

Col. W.L. Davidsonâs Co 1779
Left at Hospital
Hardy Poythress
Bertie County minutes.
Order book of Sgt. Isaac Rowell
9th Regiment
Hardy Poythress, Lewis Poythress
Pay Accounts
Hardyman Poythress
2nd Regiment
3rd NC Regiment
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Estate Records

1787 Hardyman Poythress â James Sexton (Northampton County)
1789 Hardyman Poythress â Ransford Flowers (Northampton County)
1791 Hardyman Poythress â Ransford Flowers (Northampton County)


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State of North Carolina
Northampton County

Know all men by these presents, the we Hardimon Poythress and Seth Peebles are held and firmly bound unto his Excellencyâ¦..(illegible)â¦â¦, Esq., Captain-General and Commander in chief in and over the said State, in the sun of fifty pounds, current money to be paid to said Governor, his sucessors or assigns. To the which payment, well and truly be made, we bind ourselves, our heirs, executors and administrators, jointly and severally, firmly by these presents. Sealed with our seals and dated this (?) day of September, 1792.


The condition of the above obligation is such, that if the above bounded Hardimon Poythress, administrator of all and singular the goods and chattels, rights and credits of John Poythress, deceased, do make, or cause to be made a true and perfect inventory of all and singular the goods and chattels, rights and credits of the deceased, which have or shall come to the hands, knowledge or possession, of the said Hardimon Poythress or into the hands or possession of any person or persons for him and the same so made, do exhibit, or cause to be exhibited to the Court of the county aforesaid within ninety days from the date of these presents and the same goods, chattels and credits â¦â¦â¦.(illegible)â¦â¦â¦..
Said Hardimon Poythress or into the hands or possession of any person or persons for him do well and truly administer according to law; and further do make or cause to be made a true and just account of ...Lis(?)⦠said administration within two (?) months after the date of these presents and all the rest and residue of the said goods, chattels and credits, which shall be found remaining upon the said administrat account, the same being first examined and allowed by the court of the said county, shall deliver and pay unto such person or persons, respectively, to which the same shall be due, pursuant to the true intent and meaning of the act in that case made and provided; and if it shall appear that any will or testament was made by the said deceased and the executor or executors therein named do exhibit the same into court, making request to have the same allowed and approved of accordingly, if the said Hardimon Poythress above bounden, being thereunto required, do tender!
the said letters of administration (approbation of such testament, being first had and made in the said court) then this obligation to be void and no effect, otherwise to remain in full force and virtue.


Signed and sealed in presence of his
? Joyner Hardimon (X) Poythress
Mark


Seth Peebles




*Seth Peebles married Julie Ann Peters.
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Poythress Estate records

Estate of John Poythress, Northampton County, North Carolina (c. 1779)

Mentions: Mary Poythress, Nanny Portress, Temperance Poythress, Hardimon Porthress

C the Worshipful the Justices of Northampton County Court

The Petition of Mary Poythress, Nanny Portress, Temperance Poythress, Edmund Hathcock & Anritta his wife & Newman Hathcock & Winifred his wife humbly sheweth that John Poythress the husband of your petitioner Mary & Brother of your Petitioners Temperance Anritta, Nanny & Winifred being entitle to pay as a Soldier from the public to the amont value of one hudred pounds & upward departed this live some time in the year 1778 or 1779 Intestate His Brother Hardimon Porthress of the said County obtained Letters of Administration of his Estate in your Worships Court about June Court Last past whereby he became intitled to and has actually received from the public the pay and arrages (?) of pay due to the intestate as aforesaid, and notwithstanding Your Petitioners have frequently in a friendly manner requested the said administrator to pay and deliver to them their respective parts. & shares of the said Estate so received by him as aforesaid to wit one half to your petioner Mar!
y the widow & one seventh part of the residue thereof to each of your other Petitioners the said intestate having left no chid & seven Brothers & Sisters, Yet the said administrator has always evaded or refused to comply with such reasonable requests. Wherefore as your Petitioners are without redress except before you Worships agreeably to the Act of the General Assemly in such case made proided. May it lease your Worship to grant to your petitiners your Writ of Subpeoena summoning the said Hardimon Poythress before your Worships to answer upon his Corporal Oath the promises (?) as fully as if the same were herien again particularly interrogated (?) & refuted (?) And that your Petitioners may have such releif in the prim(?) the Equity and Justice of their Case may intitle them to & they will pray so

B. Baker Att

for pett

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-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Tutor
>Sent: Feb 8, 2006 3:45 PM
>To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Hardiman Poythress
>
>The following seems to be the only records that have been found for the
>several Hardiman Poythress men. There is so little information that we will
>have to wait until further records are located to identify any relationship
>between them and other relatives.
>
>
>Hardiman Poythress (-c. 1810)
>
>The following Hardiman Poythress died in or around about 1810 and Elizabeth
>Poythress, the widow of William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810), evidently cared
>for his orphaned children.
>
>Note: Only heads of households were named in the censuses before 1850. The
>following censuses are a version of "virtual censuses" naming the
>individuals that should have been in the household based upon available
>information and family records, etc.
>
>Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m
>10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44.
>(Virtual census):
>Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William
>Poythress 1765-c. 1810)
>Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1784 (possibly
>son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
>Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1785 (possibly son
>of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
>Mary Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly
>daughter of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
>William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1794 (possibly
>son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
>3 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
>(possibly children of Hardiman Poythress)
>
>In November, 1811, in the Prince George County Court, Nathaniel Marks,
>Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, was to pay Elizabeth
>Poythress for benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman Poythress.
>
>
>Hardiman Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia
>
>The following Hardiman Poythress was too old to have been one of the orphans
>living with Elizabeth Poythress in the 1810, Prince George County, Virginia,
>census. By about 1785, Thomas Poythress, Sr., and Francis Poythress (-d.
>bef. 1807) were living in Greene County, Georgia. This Hardiman Poythress
>(b. bef. 1795-d. aft. 1838) was first mentioned in 1812, in Georgia, and
>Joseph Poythress (1789-1853) was mentioned in 1814 in Warren County,
>Georgia. Joseph Poythress named one of his sons John Hardiman Poythress
>(1826-1846).
>
>In the War of 1812, Hardeman Paythress/Portress, was on a roster of the 2nd
>Regiment (Thomas'), Georgia Militia.
>
>On June 27, 1826, in the Georgia Journal, Milledgeville, Georgia, "On the
>first Tuesday in August next, will be
>sold at the court-house in the town of Greenesborough, Greene County...the
>following property, to wit:
>Three negroes...all levied on as the property of Daniel Wagnon, to satisfy a
>fi fa in favor of Reuben Ransom,
>Sr., for the use of Jesse Perkins vs. Daniel Wagnon and John Mallery
>security on stay. One bay horse, levied
>on as the property of Hardaman Poythress, to satisfy a fi fa in favor of
>James Woodruff & Co. (Signed)
>Nicholas Howard, D. Sheriff.
>
>Hardiman, with its various spellings, was a Poythress given name. This
>Hardiman may have been from Virginia or had a namesake there. Hardiman did
>not appear in the Thomas Poythress line.
>
>The 1832 or "Sixth" Georgia Land Lottery was an umbrella term to cover what
>was in reality the last "two" lotteries, the Cherokee land lottery and the
>Gold Lottery. While legislation for these two lotteries was passed in 1830
>and 1831, both drawings were held in 1832. In the Cherokee Land Lottery, the
>lands available in this lottery eventually become the counties of Cass,
>Cherokee, Cobb, Floyd, Forsyth, Gilmer, Murray, Paulding, and Union. Land
>lot sizes were 160 acres. The grant fee for registering the land in order to
>sell it or move to it was $18.00. In the 1832 Gold Lottery, lands available
>were the remaining part of original Cherokee County but was that area deemed
>to have a potential to be "gold" land instead of "farm" land. The lot sizes
>were fixed at 40 acres. The grant fee was the same as the land lottery: $18.
>Name County Military District
>District/Section/Lot Land Drawn Type
>Poythress, Joseph (soldier) Troup Tally's
>7/4/14 Cherokee Land
>Poythress, Joseph (soldier) Troup Tally's
>2/3/7 Cherokee Gold
>Poythress, Hardimend Greene 143
>2/2/752 Cherokee Gold
>Poythress, Sarah E. (orphan) Screven 34th
>6/3/204 Cherokee Land
>Poythress, Meredith Sr. Screven 36th
>16/2/1078 Cobb Gold
>Poythress, Meredith Jr. Screven 36th
>3/3/76 Cobb Gold
>Poythress, Sarah M. (widow) Chatham 1st 16/2/471
>Cobb Gold
>
>Joseph Poythress (1789-1853), of Troup County, is well known although his
>ancestor is not. The Hardimend Poythress, of Greene County, should not be
>confused with John Hardaman Poythress (1826-1846), the son of Joseph and
>Mary King Poythress, of Troup County. John Hardaman Poythress would not have
>met the age requirement to participate. Hardimend Poythress' winning draw
>for "gold" was taken up December 22, 1835.
>
>On Thursday, March 14, 1833, in the Greene County, Georgia Superior Court
>Minutes, in the case of John Chew versus Albert T. Green, It appearing to
>the court that the property levied upon by the above attachment is of a
>perishable nature, it is on motion of counsel ordered that the property be
>sold and the proceeds be deposited to the clerk's office to wait the further
>order of the Court. Signed: Augustus Wallace, Silas Burns, etc. etc.,
>Hardiman Poythress, etc. (petit jurors for the case).
>
>
>John Hardiman Poythress (1826-1846) was the son of Joseph Poythress and Mary
>King.
>
>John Hardiman Poythress had a younger brother named Francis Andrew
>Poythress. The Francis Poythress (-d. bef. 1807), of Greene County, Georgia,
>later of Hancock County, Georgia, was alive in 1805 but deceased by 1807. It
>seems very likely that there was a close family relationship between Francis
>Poythress and Hardiman Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia, and with Joseph
>Poythress, of Warren County, Georgia, later of Troup County, Georgia.
>
>Joseph Poythress appeared in the 1820 census. John Hardiman would have been
>at home in the 1830 and 1840 censuses. Francis Andrew Poythress would have
>been at home in the 1840 census.
>
>Joseph Poythress, 1820, Warren Co., Ga., p. 305, 1 m under 10, 1 m 16-25, 1
>m 26-44, 1 f 16-25, 3 m slaves under 14, 1 m slave 14-25, 1 m slave 26-44, 1
>f slave 14-25.
>(Virtual census):
>Joseph Poythress b. 1776-1794 b. c. 1789
>Mary Poythress b. 1795-1804 b. June 30, 1798
>1 M 16-25 b. 1795-1804
>William B. Poythress b. 1810-1820 b. abt. 1818
>[Joseph and Mary married April 24, 1814, in Warren County, Georgia].
>
>Joseph Poythress, 1830, Troup Co., Ga., p. 35, 2 m under 5, 1 m 10-14, 1 m
>20-29, 1 m 40-49, 1 f under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 30-39, 3 m slaves under 10, 3 m
>slaves 10-23, 5 m slaves 20-35, 2 f slaves under 10, 1 f slave 10-23, 3 f
>24-35.
>(Virtual census):
>Joseph Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. c. 1789
>Mary Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. June 30, 1798
>1 M 20-29 b. 1801-1810 b. 1800
>William B. Poythress b. 1816-1820 b. c. 1818
>Mary Ann E. Poythress b. 1821-1825 b. c. 1822
>Russell K. Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1823
>John Hardaman Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1826
>Sarah Jane Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1828
>
>Joseph Poythress, 1840, Troup Co., Ga., p. 344, 1 m under 5, 2 m 10-14, 1 m
>20-29, 1 m 40-49, 1 m 50-59, 1 f under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 40-49, 1 m slave
>under 10, 3 m slaves 10-23, 2 f slaves under 10, 2 f slaves 10-23, 1 f slave
>24-34.
>(Virtual census):
>Joseph Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. abt. 1789
>Mary Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. June 30, 1798
>1 M 40-49 b. 1791-1800 b. 1800
>William B. Poythress b. 1811-1820 b. abt. 1818
>Russell K. Poythress b. 1826-1830 b. abt. 1823
>John Hardaman Poythress b. 1826-1830 b. abt. 1826
>Sarah Jane Poythress b. 1831-1835 b. abt. 1828
>Francis Andrew Poythress b. 1835-1840 b. April 4, 1836
>1 F under 5 b. 1835-1840
>
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>www.poythress.net
>		02/08/2006 11:28:01
Re: Hardiman PoythressCrystalHere's what I have on Hardiman Poythress. He is our stumbling block for the Northampton County group of Poythress.


Hardyman Poythress married Elizabeth Golder in Prince George County VA 17 Oct 1789.


Head of a Northampton County household of 3 free males and 2 free females in Captain Williams' District of the state census and 5 "other free" in 1790 [NC:72].

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Jesse Mitchell was granted administration on his estate by the Northampton County court on only 50 pounds bond [Minutes 1792-96, 219].

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Revolutionary War Records

Col. W.L. Davidsonâs Co 1779
Left at Hospital
Hardy Poythress
Bertie County minutes.
Order book of Sgt. Isaac Rowell
9th Regiment
Hardy Poythress, Lewis Poythress
Pay Accounts
Hardyman Poythress
2nd Regiment
3rd NC Regiment
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Estate Records

1787 Hardyman Poythress â James Sexton (Northampton County)
1789 Hardyman Poythress â Ransford Flowers (Northampton County)
1791 Hardyman Poythress â Ransford Flowers (Northampton County)


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State of North Carolina
Northampton County

Know all men by these presents, the we Hardimon Poythress and Seth Peebles are held and firmly bound unto his Excellencyâ¦..(illegible)â¦â¦, Esq., Captain-General and Commander in chief in and over the said State, in the sun of fifty pounds, current money to be paid to said Governor, his sucessors or assigns. To the which payment, well and truly be made, we bind ourselves, our heirs, executors and administrators, jointly and severally, firmly by these presents. Sealed with our seals and dated this (?) day of September, 1792.


The condition of the above obligation is such, that if the above bounded Hardimon Poythress, administrator of all and singular the goods and chattels, rights and credits of John Poythress, deceased, do make, or cause to be made a true and perfect inventory of all and singular the goods and chattels, rights and credits of the deceased, which have or shall come to the hands, knowledge or possession, of the said Hardimon Poythress or into the hands or possession of any person or persons for him and the same so made, do exhibit, or cause to be exhibited to the Court of the county aforesaid within ninety days from the date of these presents and the same goods, chattels and credits â¦â¦â¦.(illegible)â¦â¦â¦..
Said Hardimon Poythress or into the hands or possession of any person or persons for him do well and truly administer according to law; and further do make or cause to be made a true and just account of ...Lis(?)⦠said administration within two (?) months after the date of these presents and all the rest and residue of the said goods, chattels and credits, which shall be found remaining upon the said administrat account, the same being first examined and allowed by the court of the said county, shall deliver and pay unto such person or persons, respectively, to which the same shall be due, pursuant to the true intent and meaning of the act in that case made and provided; and if it shall appear that any will or testament was made by the said deceased and the executor or executors therein named do exhibit the same into court, making request to have the same allowed and approved of accordingly, if the said Hardimon Poythress above bounden, being thereunto required, do tender!
the said letters of administration (approbation of such testament, being first had and made in the said court) then this obligation to be void and no effect, otherwise to remain in full force and virtue.


Signed and sealed in presence of his
? Joyner Hardimon (X) Poythress
Mark


Seth Peebles




*Seth Peebles married Julie Ann Peters.
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Poythress Estate records

Estate of John Poythress, Northampton County, North Carolina (c. 1779)

Mentions: Mary Poythress, Nanny Portress, Temperance Poythress, Hardimon Porthress

C the Worshipful the Justices of Northampton County Court

The Petition of Mary Poythress, Nanny Portress, Temperance Poythress, Edmund Hathcock & Anritta his wife & Newman Hathcock & Winifred his wife humbly sheweth that John Poythress the husband of your petitioner Mary & Brother of your Petitioners Temperance Anritta, Nanny & Winifred being entitle to pay as a Soldier from the public to the amont value of one hudred pounds & upward departed this live some time in the year 1778 or 1779 Intestate His Brother Hardimon Porthress of the said County obtained Letters of Administration of his Estate in your Worships Court about June Court Last past whereby he became intitled to and has actually received from the public the pay and arrages (?) of pay due to the intestate as aforesaid, and notwithstanding Your Petitioners have frequently in a friendly manner requested the said administrator to pay and deliver to them their respective parts. & shares of the said Estate so received by him as aforesaid to wit one half to your petioner Mar!
y the widow & one seventh part of the residue thereof to each of your other Petitioners the said intestate having left no chid & seven Brothers & Sisters, Yet the said administrator has always evaded or refused to comply with such reasonable requests. Wherefore as your Petitioners are without redress except before you Worships agreeably to the Act of the General Assemly in such case made proided. May it lease your Worship to grant to your petitiners your Writ of Subpeoena summoning the said Hardimon Poythress before your Worships to answer upon his Corporal Oath the promises (?) as fully as if the same were herien again particularly interrogated (?) & refuted (?) And that your Petitioners may have such releif in the prim(?) the Equity and Justice of their Case may intitle them to & they will pray so

B. Baker Att

for pett

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-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Tutor
>Sent: Feb 8, 2006 3:45 PM
>To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Hardiman Poythress
>
>The following seems to be the only records that have been found for the
>several Hardiman Poythress men. There is so little information that we will
>have to wait until further records are located to identify any relationship
>between them and other relatives.
>
>
>Hardiman Poythress (-c. 1810)
>
>The following Hardiman Poythress died in or around about 1810 and Elizabeth
>Poythress, the widow of William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810), evidently cared
>for his orphaned children.
>
>Note: Only heads of households were named in the censuses before 1850. The
>following censuses are a version of "virtual censuses" naming the
>individuals that should have been in the household based upon available
>information and family records, etc.
>
>Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m
>10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44.
>(Virtual census):
>Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William
>Poythress 1765-c. 1810)
>Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1784 (possibly
>son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
>Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1785 (possibly son
>of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
>Mary Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly
>daughter of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
>William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1794 (possibly
>son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
>3 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
>(possibly children of Hardiman Poythress)
>
>In November, 1811, in the Prince George County Court, Nathaniel Marks,
>Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, was to pay Elizabeth
>Poythress for benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman Poythress.
>
>
>Hardiman Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia
>
>The following Hardiman Poythress was too old to have been one of the orphans
>living with Elizabeth Poythress in the 1810, Prince George County, Virginia,
>census. By about 1785, Thomas Poythress, Sr., and Francis Poythress (-d.
>bef. 1807) were living in Greene County, Georgia. This Hardiman Poythress
>(b. bef. 1795-d. aft. 1838) was first mentioned in 1812, in Georgia, and
>Joseph Poythress (1789-1853) was mentioned in 1814 in Warren County,
>Georgia. Joseph Poythress named one of his sons John Hardiman Poythress
>(1826-1846).
>
>In the War of 1812, Hardeman Paythress/Portress, was on a roster of the 2nd
>Regiment (Thomas'), Georgia Militia.
>
>On June 27, 1826, in the Georgia Journal, Milledgeville, Georgia, "On the
>first Tuesday in August next, will be
>sold at the court-house in the town of Greenesborough, Greene County...the
>following property, to wit:
>Three negroes...all levied on as the property of Daniel Wagnon, to satisfy a
>fi fa in favor of Reuben Ransom,
>Sr., for the use of Jesse Perkins vs. Daniel Wagnon and John Mallery
>security on stay. One bay horse, levied
>on as the property of Hardaman Poythress, to satisfy a fi fa in favor of
>James Woodruff & Co. (Signed)
>Nicholas Howard, D. Sheriff.
>
>Hardiman, with its various spellings, was a Poythress given name. This
>Hardiman may have been from Virginia or had a namesake there. Hardiman did
>not appear in the Thomas Poythress line.
>
>The 1832 or "Sixth" Georgia Land Lottery was an umbrella term to cover what
>was in reality the last "two" lotteries, the Cherokee land lottery and the
>Gold Lottery. While legislation for these two lotteries was passed in 1830
>and 1831, both drawings were held in 1832. In the Cherokee Land Lottery, the
>lands available in this lottery eventually become the counties of Cass,
>Cherokee, Cobb, Floyd, Forsyth, Gilmer, Murray, Paulding, and Union. Land
>lot sizes were 160 acres. The grant fee for registering the land in order to
>sell it or move to it was $18.00. In the 1832 Gold Lottery, lands available
>were the remaining part of original Cherokee County but was that area deemed
>to have a potential to be "gold" land instead of "farm" land. The lot sizes
>were fixed at 40 acres. The grant fee was the same as the land lottery: $18.
>Name County Military District
>District/Section/Lot Land Drawn Type
>Poythress, Joseph (soldier) Troup Tally's
>7/4/14 Cherokee Land
>Poythress, Joseph (soldier) Troup Tally's
>2/3/7 Cherokee Gold
>Poythress, Hardimend Greene 143
>2/2/752 Cherokee Gold
>Poythress, Sarah E. (orphan) Screven 34th
>6/3/204 Cherokee Land
>Poythress, Meredith Sr. Screven 36th
>16/2/1078 Cobb Gold
>Poythress, Meredith Jr. Screven 36th
>3/3/76 Cobb Gold
>Poythress, Sarah M. (widow) Chatham 1st 16/2/471
>Cobb Gold
>
>Joseph Poythress (1789-1853), of Troup County, is well known although his
>ancestor is not. The Hardimend Poythress, of Greene County, should not be
>confused with John Hardaman Poythress (1826-1846), the son of Joseph and
>Mary King Poythress, of Troup County. John Hardaman Poythress would not have
>met the age requirement to participate. Hardimend Poythress' winning draw
>for "gold" was taken up December 22, 1835.
>
>On Thursday, March 14, 1833, in the Greene County, Georgia Superior Court
>Minutes, in the case of John Chew versus Albert T. Green, It appearing to
>the court that the property levied upon by the above attachment is of a
>perishable nature, it is on motion of counsel ordered that the property be
>sold and the proceeds be deposited to the clerk's office to wait the further
>order of the Court. Signed: Augustus Wallace, Silas Burns, etc. etc.,
>Hardiman Poythress, etc. (petit jurors for the case).
>
>
>John Hardiman Poythress (1826-1846) was the son of Joseph Poythress and Mary
>King.
>
>John Hardiman Poythress had a younger brother named Francis Andrew
>Poythress. The Francis Poythress (-d. bef. 1807), of Greene County, Georgia,
>later of Hancock County, Georgia, was alive in 1805 but deceased by 1807. It
>seems very likely that there was a close family relationship between Francis
>Poythress and Hardiman Poythress, of Greene County, Georgia, and with Joseph
>Poythress, of Warren County, Georgia, later of Troup County, Georgia.
>
>Joseph Poythress appeared in the 1820 census. John Hardiman would have been
>at home in the 1830 and 1840 censuses. Francis Andrew Poythress would have
>been at home in the 1840 census.
>
>Joseph Poythress, 1820, Warren Co., Ga., p. 305, 1 m under 10, 1 m 16-25, 1
>m 26-44, 1 f 16-25, 3 m slaves under 14, 1 m slave 14-25, 1 m slave 26-44, 1
>f slave 14-25.
>(Virtual census):
>Joseph Poythress b. 1776-1794 b. c. 1789
>Mary Poythress b. 1795-1804 b. June 30, 1798
>1 M 16-25 b. 1795-1804
>William B. Poythress b. 1810-1820 b. abt. 1818
>[Joseph and Mary married April 24, 1814, in Warren County, Georgia].
>
>Joseph Poythress, 1830, Troup Co., Ga., p. 35, 2 m under 5, 1 m 10-14, 1 m
>20-29, 1 m 40-49, 1 f under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 30-39, 3 m slaves under 10, 3 m
>slaves 10-23, 5 m slaves 20-35, 2 f slaves under 10, 1 f slave 10-23, 3 f
>24-35.
>(Virtual census):
>Joseph Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. c. 1789
>Mary Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. June 30, 1798
>1 M 20-29 b. 1801-1810 b. 1800
>William B. Poythress b. 1816-1820 b. c. 1818
>Mary Ann E. Poythress b. 1821-1825 b. c. 1822
>Russell K. Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1823
>John Hardaman Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1826
>Sarah Jane Poythress b. 1825-1830 b. c. 1828
>
>Joseph Poythress, 1840, Troup Co., Ga., p. 344, 1 m under 5, 2 m 10-14, 1 m
>20-29, 1 m 40-49, 1 m 50-59, 1 f under 5, 1 f 5-9, 1 f 40-49, 1 m slave
>under 10, 3 m slaves 10-23, 2 f slaves under 10, 2 f slaves 10-23, 1 f slave
>24-34.
>(Virtual census):
>Joseph Poythress b. 1781-1790 b. abt. 1789
>Mary Poythress b. 1791-1800 b. June 30, 1798
>1 M 40-49 b. 1791-1800 b. 1800
>William B. Poythress b. 1811-1820 b. abt. 1818
>Russell K. Poythress b. 1826-1830 b. abt. 1823
>John Hardaman Poythress b. 1826-1830 b. abt. 1826
>Sarah Jane Poythress b. 1831-1835 b. abt. 1828
>Francis Andrew Poythress b. 1835-1840 b. April 4, 1836
>1 F under 5 b. 1835-1840
>
>
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>		02/08/2006 11:28:38
Elizabeth Bland Poythress (1770-), wife of William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810), of Branchester, final correctionMichael TutorCorrection to the previous message.

A couple of documents may provide the answers as to who was living in
"Betty" Poythress' household in 1810. The following "virtual census" is
provided due to the lack of names in a census prior to 1850 when only the
head of the household was listed.

Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m
10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 16-25, 1 f 26-44.
(Virtual census):
Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William
Poythress 1765-c. 1810)
Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1784 (possibly
son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1785 (possibly son
of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Mary Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly
daughter of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1794 (possibly
son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Elizabeth Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1800 (probably the
daughter of Wm. and Elizabeth Bland Poythress)
1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly child of Hardiman Poythress)
1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly child of Hardiman Poythress)
1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly child of Hardiman Poythress)

On May 15, 1810, in the Prince George County Surveyor's record, Pursuant to
an Order of the court and by direction of John Batte, John H. Peterson and
Peter Epes, I surveyed the estate of William Poythress, deceased, on Old
Courthouse Road. William Poythress' land was called "Branchester" and
Simmons branch. The Plat shows 200 acres to Patrick Poythress, 313 acres to
William Poythress, 50 acres to Joshua Poythress and 300 acres to Thomas
Poythress. Robert Turnbull was the County Surveyor.
In November, 1811, in the Prince George County Court, Nathaniel Marks,
Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, was to pay Elizabeth
Poythress for the benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman Poythress.

Based upon the above, it looks like Betty became responsible for the
children of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam. Betty's husband, William
Poythress, of Branchester, seems to have provided for his cousin's children
through the division of his property. Patrick Henry Poythress, the oldest
son and
child of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam was most likely living on his
own plantation and married to Mary Epes. Elizabeth Poythress, daughter of
William Poythress and Elizabeth Bland, married Richard Marks and lived at
Branchester.

The three youngest males are most likely the orphans of Hardiman Poythress
as she was taking care of his infant children.

It is interesting to note the surnames of Hardiman Poythress' administrator
and Elizabeth Poythress' husband - "Marks."

In August, 1811, in the Prince George County court, the Will of William
Poythress, of Branchester, was proved. In December, 1811, the Will of
William Poythress was further proved by Sarah Stiles.		02/08/2006 11:29:43
KY lands of Lt Wm Poythress, Rev SoldierBarbara P. NealThe 4,000 acres which William Poythress received in Warrant Number 1878
(warrant dated Nov 8, 1783) for his 3 years of Revolutionary War service
in the Virginia Continental Line as a Captain Lieutenant, were located
as follows in the microfilm of "Old Kentucky Grants, Volume 7"
which is on film #272,821 of the Family History Library. I was led to
this volume of the Old Kentucky Grants thanks to the 1971 reprint of the
1925 book by Willard Rouse Jillson, "The Kentucky Land Grants: A
Systematic Index to All of the Land Grants Recorded in the State Land
Office at Frankfort, Kentucky 1782-1924." The title page of the book
indicates that Jillson was State Geologist of Kentucky and Chairman of
the Kentucky State Park Commission; Member of the American Historical
Association, Mississippi Valley Historical Association, Kentucky State
Historical Society, and The Filson Club.

Note: This land was partially identified in a recent message about this
William Poythress, in the portion of the message dealing with the 1833
Petition to the U.S. Congress by William's heirs for pay for his
Revolutionary service. See the last eight paragraphs of Michael Tutor's
14 January 2006 message to this List, captioned "Lieutenant William
Poythress, of Flowerdew Hundred, Continental Army Officer, son of Joshua
Poythress II, 5th Generation." From that message we see that the Will
of this William Poythress, of Martin's Brandon Parish, in Prince George
County, VA was dated September 2, 1794, and proved September 11, 1795.
Our great List member, Michael Tutor, identified this William Poythress'
wife as Mary Gilliam. Michael further said that he was born about 1753 &
died October 15, 1794, and was buried October 18, 1794, in Dinwiddie
County - cemetery location not specified in that message. I offer a
couple of correcting notes. I think there were either a couple of
typographical errors, or earlier transcription errors in the source
Michael consulted, both of which were in the first line of a paragraph
near the end of Michael's message, in the paragraph that begins with
"No. 924, 1,000 acres. Survey for William Poythress, 1,000 acres of an
part of a Military Warrant No. 1678, on Reaflers Creek, a branch of
Green River..." Corrections: (1) That Military Warrant Number should be
1878 (and it is accurately mentioned as Warrant Number 1878 in the last
line of that same paragraph). (2) The Creek name, as transcribed by
Jillson, was Renfrow Creek.

Jillson's book lists the names of the individuals to whom the surveyed
land was granted; therefore it only lists 3,000 of his 4,000 acres under
the name of William Poythress. When searching the above-mentioned film,
I lucked into finding William Poythress' remaining 1,000 acres in two
entries granting land (850 acres and 150 acres) to "Burwell Jackson
assignee of William Poythress." Jillson had just listed those two
grants of land under Burwell Jackson's name, along with other land
Burwell Jackson was granted. As you'll see below, both of these "Burwell
Jackson assignee of William Poythress" grants specified William
Poythress' Warrant Number 1878.

Black's Law Dictionary defines "assignee" as "a person to whom an
assignment is made; grantee." Black's further notes that in Old Law, an
assignee is "A person deputed or appointed by another to do any act, or
perform any business." Since both the grants in which Burwell Jackson
was listed as assignee of William Poythress, show the Kentucky Governor
was granting the land to Burwell Jackson and his heirs forever, I take
it that William must have sold his right to that 1,000 acres, rather
than William having just sent Burwell Jackson instructions & legal power
to get the grants for William himself.

I am listing the grants here chronologically by the dates of the
surveys, rather than in the chronological order of the grants
themselves (which is in accordance with the page-number order from the
Old Kentucky Grant book), since I learned more about William & his
Kentucky land by paying attention to the survey dates when William (&
his heirs & his assignee Jackson) had the land surveyed, and how those
survey dates relate to the grant dates:
- the first 1,000-acre portion was surveyed 8 yrs before William died;
- the next 1,000 acres were surveyed in two parts (850 acres & 150
acres, granted to Burwell Jackson assignee for William) about 18 months
before William died (and apparently after William had sold the land to
Jackson);
- the last two 1,000-acre portions of William Poythress' Warrant
Number 1878 were (I was surprised to learn) not even surveyed until 18
months *after* William died.

I'll put my transcriptions of the five entries from Old Kentucky Grant
Book 7 (which entries give the legal description locations of the land),
in a separate message I'll send after sending this message.

= = Recap = =
The 5 parcels of Kentucky land composing William Poythress' Warrant
Number 1878, for 4,000 acres, were:

1. Surveyed 23 Feb 1785; 1,000 acres; granted to William Poythress;
granted 16 July 1797; recorded in Old Kentucky Grant Book 7, p.306.

2. Surveyed 29 March 1792: 850 acres; granted to Burwell Jackson
assignee of William Poythress; granted 16 July 1797; recorded in Old
Kentucky Grant Book 7, p.307.

3. Surveyed 18 April 1792; 150 acres; granted to Burwell Jackson
assignee of William Poythress; granted 16 July 1797; recorded in Old
Kentucky Grant Book 7, p.305.

4. Surveyed 8 April 1796; 1,000 acres; granted to William Poythress;
granted 19 Dec 1796; recorded in Old Kentucky Grant Book 7, p.14.

5. Surveyed 9 April 1796; 1,000 acres; granted to William Poythress;
granted 19 Dec 1796; recorded in Old Kentucky Grant Book 7, p.15.		02/09/2006 10:50:57
KY land transcriptions - Lt Wm Poythress, Rev SoldierBarbara P. NealFrom microfilm of "Old Kentucky Grants, Volume 7" which is on film
#272,821 of the Family History Library, below are my transcriptions of
the 5 grants of land, in survey-date order, which composed the 4,000
acres which William Poythress received in Warrant Number 1878
(warrant dated Nov 8, 1783) for his 3 years of Revolutionary War service
in the Virginia Continental Line as a Captain Lieutenant.


1797 Bk 7, p.306
James Garrard Esq. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky to all
whom these presents shall come, Greeting: Know ye, That by virtue and in
consideration of part of a Military Warrant No.1878 there is granted by
the said Commonwealth unto William Poythress a certain Tract or parcel
of Land, containing one thousand acres by Survey bearing date the twenty
third day of February one thousand seven hundred and eighty five; lying
and being in the District set apart for the Officers and Sodiers (sic)
of the Continental Line, on the Waters of the Ohio near Henderson's Line
and bounded as followeth Viz't. Beginning at a Sweet Gum and Hickory
North West Corner to Larkin Smith's 1000 acre Survey; running South
twenty nine degrees West with Smiths Line to his South West Corner three
hundred and forty poles, to two white Oaks; thence North sixty one
degrees W four hundred and seventy one poles to a maple and two black
Gums, crossing a pond at one hundred and thirty three poles and another
at four hundred poles thence North twenty nine degrees East three
hundred and forty poles to two Hickories on a small drain, crossing a
pond at fifty two poles, thence South sixty one degrees East four
hundred and seventy one poles to the Beginning crossing a pond at two
hundred and fourteen poles, and another at three hundred and two poles,
and another at four hundred and sixty poles with its appurtenances To
have and to hold the said Tract or parcel of Land with its
appurtenances, to the said William Poythress and his heirs forever. In
Witness whereof the said James Garrard Esq. Governor of the Commonwealth
of Kentucky hath hereunto set his hand and Caused the Seal of the
Commonwealth to be affixed at Frankfort on on (sic) the sixteenth day of
July in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety
seven, and of the Commonwealth the sixth.
James Garrard
L.S. By the Governor
Harry (surname illegible) Sec'y


1797 Bk 7, p.307 (Bpn note: the description of the boundaries of this
land is such a long one that the person writing it began using the
common abbreviation of a little circle above the line to indicate
"degrees" Since I cannot use that abbreviation here in a pure text
message to post to the List, I'll put the word "degrees" in quotation
marks in each of the places where that abbreviation was used)
James Garrard Esq. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky to all
whom these presents shall come, Greeting: Know ye, That by virtue and in
consideration of part of a Military Warrant No.1878, there is granted by
the said Commonwealth unto Burwell Jackson ass'ee of William Poythress
a certain Tract or parcel of Land, containing eight hundred and fifty
acres by Survey bearing date the twenty ninth day of March one thousand
seven hundred and ninety two; lying and being in the District set apart
for the Officers and Soldiers of the Continental Line, on Coxes' Creek a
branch of Gasper's River and bounded as followeth To wit: Beginning at
a white Oak tree near the head of the Creek marked IC (Bpn note: the
"IC" is printed rather than in the script handwriting of the remainder
of the document, and midway across the "I" is another cross-bar; this
seems to indicate that this mark was actually cut into the bark of the
white Oak tree), running thence North five degrees West one hundred and
twenty five poles to six Dogwoods, thence down the Creek binding on the
hill South eighty five degrees West eighty poles to a Hickory, South
seventy degrees West fifty poles to an Ash; South seventy degrees West
sixty poles to an Ash; North sixty degrees West one hundred poles to an
Ash; North seventeen degrees West eighty poles to a white Oak near a
small drain; North 80 "degrees" West 48 poles to a white Oak; North 85
"degrees" West 50 poles to an Ash, Hickory and Elm North 60 "degrees"
West 110 poles to a poplar and Dogwood; West 110 poles to a red Oak;
South 70 "degrees" West 80 poles to a white Oak and three Sugar trees;
South 140 poles crossing the Creek at 20 poles to an ash, Hickory and
Spanish Oak; thence North 80 "degrees" East 60 poles to an Elm; South 80
"degrees" East 140 poles to a Hickory and Dogwood; South 32 "degrees"
East 120 poles to a Hickory; South ten degrees East 80 poles to two
Dogwoods and Sugar tree; East 80 poles to a Sugar tree, black walnut, &
Spanish Oak on the East bank of a small branch, North 68 poles to a
spanish Oak and two white oaks on the top of a hill; thence south 70
"degrees" East 507 poles to three white oaks; thence north 5 "degrees"
West 55 poles to the Beginning, with its appurtenances To have and to
hold the said Tract or parcel of Land with its appurtenances, to the
said Burwell Jackson and his heirs forever. In Witness whereof the said
James Garrard Esq. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky hath
hereunto set his hand and caused the Seal of the Commonwealth to be
affixed at Frankfort on the sixteenth day of July in the year of our
Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety seven, and of the
Commonwealth the sixth.
L.S. By the Governor
James Garrard
Harry (surname illegible) Secretary


1797 Bk 7, p.305
James Garrard Esq. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky to all
whom these presents shall come, Greeting: Know ye, That by virtue and in
consideration of part of a Military Warrant No.1878, there is granted by
the said Commonwealth unto Burwell Jackson ass'ee of William Poythress
a certain Tract or parcel of Land, containing one hundred and fifty
acres by Survey bearing date the eighteenth day of April one thousand
seven hundred and ninety two lying and being in the District set apart
for the Officers and Soldiers of the Continental Line, on the Waters of
little Muddy Creek and bounded as followeth Viz't: Beginning at a
Hickory, Sugartree and Hackberry in a Line of a Survey of Joseph
Swearingen's and a North east Corner of Burwell Jackson's Entry No.1859;
running thence with Jackson's Line South fifty one degrees West one
hundred and ten poles to a Sugar tree and Hickory; thence South fifty
two degrees East one hundred and fifty poles to an Elm and two Sugar
trees; thence North fifty one degrees East thirty poles to an Ash and
two Dogwoods; thence South fifty two degreees East one hundred poles to
an Ash and Spanish Oak; thence North fifty one degrees East eighty poles
to a Hickory, Dogwood, and Sugar tree, in Swearingen's Line; thence with
his Line North fifty two degrees West two hundred and fifty poles to the
Beginning, with its appurtenances To have and to hold the said Tract or
parcel of Land with its appurtenances, to the said Burwell Jackson and
his heirs forever. In Witness whereof the said James Garrard Esq.
Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky hath hereunto set his hand and
caused the Seal of the Commonwealth to be affixed at Frankfort on the
sixteenth day of July in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred
& ninety seven, and of the Commonwealth the sixth.
L.S. By the Governor
James Garrard
Harry (surname illegible) Secretary


1797 Bk 7, p.14
James Garrard Esqr. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky to all
whom these presents shall come greeting Know ye, that by virtue and in
Consideration of part of a Military Warrant No.1878 there is granted by
the said Commonwealth unto William Poythress a Certain tract or parcel
of Land Containing One thousand Acres by Survey bearing date the eighth
day of April One thousand Seven hundred and ninety six lying and being
in the District set apart for the Officers and Soldiers of the
Continental Line, on Renfrew Creek a branch of Green River and bounded
as followeth To wit Beginning on the bank of the Creek about half a mile
below the forks running thence South Seventy Degrees East one hundred
poles to a black Gum and two white Oaks, thence South twenty degrees
West four hundred poles to a poplar, white Oak & red Oak, thence North
Seventy degrees West four hundred poles Crossing the Creek at two
hundred and eighteen poles to a larg (sic) black Oak thence North twenty
degrees East four hundred poles to a Chesnut tree, thence South Seventy
Degrees East three hundred poles to the Beginning with its Appurtenances
To have and to hold the said tract or parcel of Land with its
Appurtenances to the said William Poythress and his Heirs forever In
Witness whereof the said James Garrard Esqr. Governor of the
Commonwealth of Kentucky hath hereunto set his hand & Caused the Seal of
the Commonwealth to be affixed at Frankfort on the Nineteenth day of
December in the year of our Lord one thousand Seven hundred and Ninety
Six and of the Commonwealth the Fifth.
L.S. By the Governor
James Garrard
Harry (surname illegible) Sec'y


1797 Bk 7, p.15
James Garrard Esqr. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky to all to
whom these presents shall come greeting Know ye, that by virtue and in
Consideration of part of a Military Warrant No.1878 there is granted by
the said Commonwealth unto William Poythress a Certain tract or parcel
of Land Containing One thousand Acres by Survey bearing date the ninth
day of April One thousand Seven hundred and Ninety Six lying and being
in the District set apart for the Officers & Soldiers of the Continental
Line, on Renfrew Creek a branch of Green River and bounded as followeth
To wit Beginning on the Creek near the head thereof running thence
South Seventy Degrees East One hundred and eighty poles to a white Oak,
thence North twenty Degrees East five hundred poles Crossing Several
drains to a poplar, red Oak, and white Oak South East corner to said
Poythress' Survey No.742 thence with a line of the Same North Seventy
Degrees West three hundred and twenty poles Crossing the Creek at two
hundred & eighteen poles to a black Gum, white Oak and three Dogwoods
thence South Twenty Degrees West five hundred poles Crossing Several
branches to four poplars thence South Seventy Degrees East one hundred
and forty poles to the Beginning with its Appurtenances To have and to
hold the said tract or parcel of Land with its appurtenances to the said
William Poythress and his Heirs forever In Witness whereof the said
James Garrard Esqr. Governor of the Commonwealth of Kentucky hath
hereunto set his hand and Caused the Seal of the Commonwealth to be
affixed at Frankfort on the 19th day of December Anno Domini 1796 & of
the Commonwealth the Fifth.
L.S. By the Governor
James Garrard
Harry (surname illegible) Sec'y		02/09/2006 10:51:28
Located sister of Whitney F. Poythress, Jr.Barbara P. NealElaine & all, you may recall our messages last summer regarding co-pilot
Whitney F. Poythress, Jr., who died in World War II. I'm tickled to
report that his sister, Patsy, has just gotten in touch with me, and
she'll be in touch with Terry Row (son of the pilot) tomorrow.

Patsy is fairly new with computers, but is very interested in learning
more about Poythress research. I've encouraged her to subscribe to our
Poythress-List and I think she will do so.

Elaine, she verified that her grandparents were Simeon & Ola Poythress
(She said his name is pronounced like "Simon"). She was thrilled to
learn the further information that your census work revealed about
Simeon: that he was a son of George W. Poythress, and that George W. was
a son of David Poythress of Mecklenburg Co, VA. I told her that means
she and I are distant cousins. Elaine, of course she's a distant cousin
of yours, too, since your line descends from David.

Back to trying to get my genie stuff organized in this new room, so I
can find things that aren't on the computer

Barbara (or BPN, for short)



02/11/2006 7:06:04
Hardyman & Taylor in Flower dew Hundred info re: Mr. Joshua Poythress, Merchant, of Flowerdew Hundred, Prince George County, 3rd GenerationBarbara P. NealJust found among material I am trying to organize, the following notes
which amplify info that Michael provided in the two quotations (at the
bottom here) from his 12/12/2005 message captioned "Mr. Joshua
Poythress, Merchant, of Flowerdew Hundred, Prince George County, 3rd
Generation."

This material not only provides more info re the Hardiman name in the
context of Flower dew Hundred, but also clarifies the relationship of
the people from whom Joshua (also referred to as Joseph in the deeds)
acquired the property. The Captain John Taylor who was father of the 3
daughters mentioned was of course a much earlier Taylor than Rebecca B.
Taylor who married Lewis Poythress in April 1802. We don't know the
names of Rebecca's parents, but it is interesting to consider the
possibility that her line may have included this Captain John Taylor.

I made these first notes years ago at the Newberry Library in Chicago,
copied from the very old book "The Cradle of the Republic: Jamestown and
James River," by Lyon Gardiner Tyler, LL D, President of the College of
William & Mary; published by The Hermitage Press, Inc., Richmond, VA 1906:
p.211 Flower dew Hundred: "At the close of the century [Bpn note:
around 1700] it was owned by Captain John Taylor, of Prince George
County, who devised it to his daughters, Henrietta Maria, and Sarah, who
married respectively John and Francis Hardiman. They sold it to Joseph
Poythress..." [Bpn note: this is the 1725 transaction Michael Tutor
refers to, below]

I also find more clarifying info in a sheet provided by Flower de
Hundred when I visited there in the mid-1990s, which sheet was info
prepared by John Frederick Dorman and which traced the ownership of
Flower dew Hundred. Its first paragraph also refers to Captain Taylor
and clarifies more re his daughters:
"The Flower de Hundred tract was acquired by Joshua Poythress from two
of the daughters of Capt. John Taylor, the previous owner. He bought 300
acres on 9-10 July 1725 for 300 pounds from John Hardyman (who married
Henrietta Maria Taylor, and had previously bought 150 acres of this from
Francis Hardyman and whife Sarah, another Taylor daughter) and an
additional 250 acres on 6 Oct 1732 from Mrs. Elizabeth Duke, the third
Taylor daughter."

12/12/2005 Michael Tutor wrote:
> ...
> The Third Generation: Mr. Joshua Poythress, Merchant, of Flowerdew
> Hundred, Prince George County
> R. Bolling Batte on Joshua Poythress
> [21 Joshua Poythress (-1740), m. ______. The name of the wife of this
> Joshua has never been proved. The fact that one of his sons was named
> "Littlebury" suggests that she may have been an Eppes or a Hardyman. In
> 1725, John Hardyman, whose mother had been Mary Eppes 124, and whose
> grandmother had been Elizabeth Littlebury, conveyed to "Joseph"
> Poythress 300 acres, part of the Flowerdew Hundred Tract in Prince
> George. The consideration expressed was 5 shillings, which means that it
> was a deed of gift. John Hardyman had actually paid 600 pounds lawful
> money of England for 150 of the same 300 acres he was now giving away.
> The "Joseph" named as grantee in the deed was certainly an error in
> transliteration. Joshua was intended, not "Joseph." This will be clear
> later when Joshua's grandson William (211 2) sells the same land to
> Peachy 65 years later. Why should John Hardyman give valuable land away
> to Joshua Poythress? A most likely answer would be that a Joshua
> Poythress had married a close relative of John Hardyman, a daughter or a
> sister. By 1725, John and Henrietta Maria Hardyman would hardly have a
> daughter old enough to marry. He had sisters, however. Their names do
> not appear in any known record but their existence is established by the
> 1726 will of Littlebury Hardeman, brother of John, which leaves one
> shilling "to each and every one of my brothers and sisters." These
> circumstances, plus the existence of a Hardyman Poythress in Prince
> George, bolster a growing suspicion that the wife of Joshua Poythress
> was a daughter of John Hardyman, Sr. and Mary Eppes, his wife, and thus
> a granddaughter of Francis and Elizabeth (Littlebury-Worsham) Epes.
> Hardyman Poythress, as yet unidentified, in 1809, may have been a
> grandson of Joshua Poythress. Joshua left a will dated January 17, 1739
> (o.s.) in which he leaves property to his wife (but inconsiderately
> fails to name her), and to three sons, three daughters, brothers
> William, Robert, and others. The original will is now in the archives of
> the Virginia State Library (Accession 23849).
> ...
> On October 9, 1732, Elizabeth Duke, of the County of Prince George,
> Widow, sold to Joshua Poythress, Merchant, of Prince George County,
> the plantation commonly known by the name of Flower de Hundred, 250
> acres, in Martin's Brandon parish, in Prince George County,
> beginning on the line of the land of Joshua Poythress.
> ...		02/12/2006 4:46:41
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Re: Located sister of Whitney F. Poythress, Jr.Barbara P. NealCindy, I haven't seen anywhere what the "W" in George W Poythress' name
stood for, but certainly it would be logical at that time that he could
have been named George Washington Poythress. Do you have the dates of
your great-great-grandfather's birth & death; if so I'd sure appreciate
having them.

Thanks for writing,
Barbara



02/13/2006 1:43:07
Re: Located sister of Whitney F. Poythress, Jr.Barbara,

What does the W stand for in George W. Poythress? Is it Washington? My great
great grand father was George Washington Poythress.

Thanks,
Cindy



02/13/2006 11:28:03
RE: Located sister of Whitney F. Poythress, Jr.John M. PoythressCindy, Barbara......I guess I got to this conversation late
but there is another George Washington Poythress, son of
Meredith Poythress, Sr. & second wife Hester Wilder Mock.

There is virtually no record of him except the recording of his
birthdate by Hester's brother who also recorded the same for the other 4
children of this union.

I guess if you two are talking about a VA George W. Poythress there
isn't a chance of a connection.

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:43 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Located sister of Whitney F. Poythress, Jr.

Cindy, I haven't seen anywhere what the "W" in George W Poythress' name
stood for, but certainly it would be logical at that time that he could
have been named George Washington Poythress. Do you have the dates of
your great-great-grandfather's birth & death; if so I'd sure appreciate
having them.

Thanks for writing,
Barbara


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Re: Located sister of Whitney F. Poythress, Jr.Barbara,

I am sorry I do not have no dates. I just have names trying to knock down
the brick wall.

My aunt was given some about the Poythress. Looks like someone made copies
out of a book. Front of the papers it has Kippax Plantation: Traders,
Merchants, and Planters by Donald W. Linebaugh. It mentions about the Poythress and
Robert Bland. If you would like to have a copy of this I will send it to your
home.

Also, have a paper with people names on it and when they were born look like
it came out of a Bible. They are:

Charley Poythress born May 3rd. 1869
Nillianne Poythress born October 15, 1871
Jimmie Poythress born September 12th 1875
Richard Poythress born October 16th 1875
India Poythress born May 14th 1878
Jarrett Poythress born November 12th 1880
Beatrice Poythress born July 18th 1882
Robert Poythress born May 3rd 1884
Sarah Poythress born August 26th 1887
Mary Poythress born 6th 1890
Jimmie Poythress born March 3rd 1893

another piece of paper says
Father: Plumk or Plumh Poythress
Mother: Ad Turner Poythress
Buried: North Hampton County

Cindy		02/14/2006 6:23:54
Re: Located sister of Whitney F. Poythress, Jr.Barbara,

I also have a picture of John Washington Poythress with Anna Reed who is my
gg parents if you would like to have a copy of it. The picture is the size of
8 x 10

Cindy		02/14/2006 6:50:49
George W Poythress - earlier Re: Located sister of Whitney F. Poythress, Jr.Barbara P. NealCindy was responding to my message that mentioned that the grandparents
of "Billy" Whitney F. Poythress & his sister Patsy, were Simeon & Ola
Poythress (Patsy said her grandfather's name is pronounced like
"Simon"), and that Patsy was thrilled to learn from what I relayed to
her about Elaine's census work, in which Elaine found that Simeon was a
son of George W. Poythress, and we had concluded that George W. was
likely a son of David Poythress of Mecklenburg Co, VA. (See bottom,
here, for recap of these censuses)

However, as Maynard's and Cindy's questions have pointed out, the name
"George Washington Poythress" was not so unusual. So perhaps I was too
hasty in my earlier conclusion that the "George W" who was father of
Simeon was the same "George W" who was son of David.

Maynard, I think the birthdate of the George Washington Poythress you
mentioned was 13 January 1819 -- Do I have that right? And did Hester's
brother list the state or town for any of the births he recorded? & I'm
curious -- in what was Mr. Mock (Hester's brother) recording these births?

Thanks!
Barbara
= = = Census recap mentioned above:
In the 1870 Census (in Person Co, NC), George W & his wife Permelia have
their own household in Flat River Township, with father shown as "Geo.
W. Poyetress" age 31, male, white, farm laborer born in VA, cannot read
or write." Among the 5 children in the household (ages 3 months to 8
yrs) is Simeon, age 2, born NC.

In 2 earlier censuses:
(1) David Poythress' 1850 Census household (Mecklenburg Co, VA), 9-yr
old George was shown without a middle initial; but in
(2) David Poythress' 1860 Census household (Warren Co, NC, where the
Census-taker listed every person on the page just with first & middle
initials), the then 19-yr old young man in the household is shown as
"G.W" with the middle initial being quite clear on the Census record.		02/14/2006 7:36:17
Re: Located sister of Whitney F. Poythress, Jr.CrystalCindy
You have the Northampton County Group. The list with birthdates are the children of Richard and Ada Turner Poythress. Richard is the son of James Poythress of Northampton County. Ada is the daughter of Allen Turner and Eliza Scott.

I have the information for these lines if you need them.

Are you the one that descends from the Poythress/Newsome line?

Crystal

-----Original Message-----
>From: CLamb5582@aol.com
>Sent: Feb 14, 2006 1:23 PM
>To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: Located sister of Whitney F. Poythress, Jr.
>
>Barbara,
>
>I am sorry I do not have no dates. I just have names trying to knock down
>the brick wall.
>
>My aunt was given some about the Poythress. Looks like someone made copies
>out of a book. Front of the papers it has Kippax Plantation: Traders,
>Merchants, and Planters by Donald W. Linebaugh. It mentions about the Poythress and
>Robert Bland. If you would like to have a copy of this I will send it to your
>home.
>
>Also, have a paper with people names on it and when they were born look like
>it came out of a Bible. They are:
>
>Charley Poythress born May 3rd. 1869
>Nillianne Poythress born October 15, 1871
>Jimmie Poythress born September 12th 1875
>Richard Poythress born October 16th 1875
>India Poythress born May 14th 1878
>Jarrett Poythress born November 12th 1880
>Beatrice Poythress born July 18th 1882
>Robert Poythress born May 3rd 1884
>Sarah Poythress born August 26th 1887
>Mary Poythress born 6th 1890
>Jimmie Poythress born March 3rd 1893
>
>another piece of paper says
>Father: Plumk or Plumh Poythress
>Mother: Ad Turner Poythress
>Buried: North Hampton County
>
>Cindy
>
>
>
>
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Re: Located sister of Whitney F. Poythress, Jr.CrystalI would like a copy of this if possible Cindy.
Thank you
Crystal

-----Original Message-----
>From: CLamb5582@aol.com
>Sent: Feb 14, 2006 1:50 PM
>To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: Located sister of Whitney F. Poythress, Jr.
>
>Barbara,
>
>I also have a picture of John Washington Poythress with Anna Reed who is my
>gg parents if you would like to have a copy of it. The picture is the size of
>8 x 10
>
>Cindy
>
>
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Re: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listingsMichael TutorThanks, Barbara. Good to see some new material. In the one entry was John
Finley, the overseer for Captain Allen, of "Bacon's Castle." It was
interesting to see John Poythress and Richard Pace on the same jury. Richard
Pace was supposedly the father and father-in-law of Richard Pace and Rebecca
Poythress.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:44 PM
Subject: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listings


> Referring to Maynard's great Word document that he has made available to
> us via the CD of info he has prepared, I have found these additional
> Poythress listings (and a Flowerdew Hundred listing) in the Charles City
> County, Virginia Order Book of 1676-1679, and a few minor corrections
> that I'll try to clarify. My comments will be in square brackets.
> Spelling here is as it was transcribed by abstractor & compiler Margaret
> McNeill Ayres, 1968:
>
> Order Bk p.173 [I offer just clarification on this one, since the date
> was given in Maynard's document as "00,00,1676" This page appears in
> the midst of info from the Jun 1677 Court at Westover]
> Action of Dr. Geo. Lee plt. and Capt. Fr. Poythress deft. referred to
> next court.
>
> Order Bk p.174 [still the Jun 1677 Court at Westover]
> The action of Jno. Coggan plt. and Allen Jenkings deft. is dismissed.
> Peter Field plt. against the estate of Wm. Jenkings, decd, attachment
> upon a horse by order 16 April last, sd. horse appraised by Jas. Wallis,
> Jno. Poythress & Roger Reese and valued at 1000 lbs tob. But Jenkings
> was indebted to Field for 1368 lbs. tob. Judgm. granted unto Field on
> the horse also for 368 lbs. tob.
>
> Order Bk p.191 [13 Sep 1677 Court at Westover]
> Jno. Finley aged 24 years deposes that about 16th of Sept. 1666 last he
> was among a group brough[t] to Nevet Wheeler's in Martin Brandon. All
> put in confinement and urged to join the rebels. Refusing he was
> continued in confinement longer became ill and was dismissed. Referred
> to a jury, Mr. Thos. Cocke, foreman: Mr. Jas. Gunn: Mr. Wm. Randolph:
> Mr. Sampson Ellis: Mr. Tho. Hamlin: Mr. Jno Mayton: Mr. Jno.
> Poythress: Mr. Rich. Pace: Mr. Thos. Gregory: Mr. Jno. Marshall: Mr.
> Henry Burton: Mr. Jno. Hamlin.
>
> Order Bk p.205 [14 Sep 1677 Court at Westover]
> Mr. Thos. Blayton as atty. of Mr. Jno. Sadler plt. presents that Henry
> Preston deft. as for himself and as Extr. of Thos. Stevenson dec'd both
> have forcibly entered and used a parcel of land of 50 acs. belonging to
> John Sadler and for 26 years kept him from its possession. Damage asked
> for 4000 lbs. tob. and restitution of the land. Referred to a Jury: Mr.
> Wm. Randolph, foreman: Mr. Hen. Burton: Mr. Thos. Hamlin: Mr. Jas.
> Gunn: Mr. Jno. Hamlin: Mr. Jno. Mayton: Mr. Jno. Poythris: Mr. Henry
> Blanks: Mr. Thos. Gregory: Mr. Robt. Bolling: Mr. Jno. Marshall: Mr.
> Wm. Harrison. The Jurors return their verdict.
>
> Order Bk p.210 [15 Sep 1677 Court at Westover]
> Pres. Sept. 15.
> Coll. Edw. Hill: Maj. Jno. Stith: Mr. Jno. Drayton: Capt. Fran.
> Poythris
>
> Order Bk p.231 [19 Nov 1677 Court at Westover]
> Upon pet. of Jno. Leigh showing that he came into the county a servant
> to Capt. Thos. Mallory for the term of 4 years, and having served 2
> years longer than by the agreement he being sold by Capt. Mallory to Mr.
> Jno. Poythris who yet claims a longer time of service. The court having
> considered a certificate from the Corp. of Virginia produced for 4 years
> it is ordered that Jno. Leigh remain with Mr. Mallory until the next
> court when Mr. Poytress & Capt. Mallory may appear & show reason for his
> longer service; if no reason sd. Leigh to be free.
>
> Order Bk pgs. 236: 237: 238 [19 Nov 1677 Court at Westover]
> Where as at the death of Jno Barker of Flowerdew hundred all the tract
> of land known as Flowerdew hundred did descend to Sarah then the wife of
> Richard Taylor, dec'd, and now the wife of Robt. Lucy, and to Elizabeth
> the wife of Phillip Lymbry, sister and co-heir with the sd. Jno. Barker
> who since sd. Barker's decease have held the land in co-partnership at
> incovenience to themselves and detriment of the land. Now the sd. Lucy &
> wife and the sd. Lymbry & wife do wish the land divided and have
> appealed to the court by mutual consent. Coll. Robt. Winn & Lt. Coll.
> Geo. Jordan are empowered by court order dated 3 Apr. 1677, to do so.
> Jas. Minge, surveyor, has been instructed to lay out the bounds dividing
> sd. Flowerdew hundred into two equal parts, the north land bordering the
> James River and Macock's land belonging to Dorothy, wife of Hubbert
> Farrel; the other being a line of stakes parting the sd. Flowerdew
> hundred in two parts. The south part is bordered by the east side of
> James River by Flowerdew hundred Creek, by Macock's and by the above
> line of stakes. A plan was drawn of the two halves, these 2 plans
> framed, put into a hat, a child drew them out and gave one showing the
> north part to the sd. Robt. Lucy & Sarah, his wife, and the south part
> to Phillip Limbry and Elizabeth, his wife, the parties having agreed to
> abide by the division & the drawing. 4 April 1673.
> Wit: Robt. Wynn
> Thos. Liggon
> Jas. Minge
> Thos. Blayton
>
> [Correction regarding Order Bk p.287: In the back of the volume of
> transcriptions by Ayres that I consulted at the DAR Library in
> Washington, DC, is a 13-page list of "Additions and Corrections" by
> Frank E. Bradley, Jr. dated May 16, 1971. That list corrects the date
> which was mis-typed as 1687, to the correct year of 1678. Thus this
> entry should read as follows:]
>
> Order Bk p.287
> Court at Westover
> 15 April 1678
> Pres: Coll. Jno. Epps: Maj. Jno. Stith: Mr. Thos. Grandon: Mr. Fra.
> Poythress: Capt. Dan'l Lewellen.
>
> Order Bk p.287 cont'd [15 April 1678 Court at Westover]
> Admin. is granted Mrs. Eliz. Mallory on the estate of Capt. Thos.
> Mallory her dec'd husband. Capt. Fra. Poythres, security.
>
> Order Bk p.300 [cont'd 3 June 1678 Court at Westover, apparently after a
> coffee break or lunch, there was a change in the justices present from
> the ones shown on p.299, which Maynard had listed:]
> Present: Mr. Thos. Grendon: Maj. Jno. Stith: Coll. Jno. Eppes: Capt.
> Poythres: Mr. Ber. Sykes: Capt. Dan Lewellin.
>
> Order Bk p.320 [15 Aug 1678 Court at Westover]
> Court adjourns for 1 hour. [and the justices were then joined by
> Poythress who was not there earlier that day]
> Present: Coll. Hill: Coll. Clark: Mr. Sikes: Mr. Grendon: Maj.
> Stith: Capt. Poythress.
>
> Order Bk p.340 [4 Dec 1678 Court at Westover]
> Pres: Coll. Edw. Hill: Mr. Bern Sikes: Mr. Dan'l Clark: Capt.
> Poythres: Mr. Jno. Stith: Mr. Blayton: Mr. Tho. Grendon: Mr. Batt.
>
> [Correction re entry shown by Maynard for p.349 -- the entry he listed
> re tax collection is actually on p.350. Following was the entry for
> p.349:]
>
> Order Bk p.349 [6 Dec 1678 Court at Westover]
> [authorized payment] To Maj. Poythres for 2 coroner's fees - 200
>
> Order Bk p.350 [cont'd 6 Dec 1678 Court at Westover]
> Ord. that Maj. Fra. Poythres collect [taxes] Jordan's Par. with Thomas
> Blayton & Coll. Jno. Epps security
>
> Order Bk p.350 [cont'd 6 Dec 1678 Court at Westover. Here I think this
> is a listing first of the tax/tithe that Francis owed, perhaps for the
> collections he made at Jordan's, minus his salary and payment due to him
> for a cask]
> Maj. Fra. Poythres, Collector at Jordan's
> To 93 at 51 1/2 per head --- 4789
> for cask & salary ---------- 956
> [net after subtracting:] 3833
>
> Order Bk p.374 [minor correction to give date: 3 April 1679 Court at
> Westover]
> Maj. Poythress declares that he imprest a cow valued at 450 lbs. tob.
> from John Hughson for use of soldiers. Certificate granted to the
> Assembley.
>
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>		02/16/2006 4:57:10
Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listingsBarbara P. NealReferring to Maynard's great Word document that he has made available to
us via the CD of info he has prepared, I have found these additional
Poythress listings (and a Flowerdew Hundred listing) in the Charles City
County, Virginia Order Book of 1676-1679, and a few minor corrections
that I'll try to clarify. My comments will be in square brackets.
Spelling here is as it was transcribed by abstractor & compiler Margaret
McNeill Ayres, 1968:

Order Bk p.173 [I offer just clarification on this one, since the date
was given in Maynard's document as "00,00,1676" This page appears in
the midst of info from the Jun 1677 Court at Westover]
Action of Dr. Geo. Lee plt. and Capt. Fr. Poythress deft. referred to
next court.

Order Bk p.174 [still the Jun 1677 Court at Westover]
The action of Jno. Coggan plt. and Allen Jenkings deft. is dismissed.
Peter Field plt. against the estate of Wm. Jenkings, decd, attachment
upon a horse by order 16 April last, sd. horse appraised by Jas. Wallis,
Jno. Poythress & Roger Reese and valued at 1000 lbs tob. But Jenkings
was indebted to Field for 1368 lbs. tob. Judgm. granted unto Field on
the horse also for 368 lbs. tob.

Order Bk p.191 [13 Sep 1677 Court at Westover]
Jno. Finley aged 24 years deposes that about 16th of Sept. 1666 last he
was among a group brough[t] to Nevet Wheeler's in Martin Brandon. All
put in confinement and urged to join the rebels. Refusing he was
continued in confinement longer became ill and was dismissed. Referred
to a jury, Mr. Thos. Cocke, foreman: Mr. Jas. Gunn: Mr. Wm. Randolph:
Mr. Sampson Ellis: Mr. Tho. Hamlin: Mr. Jno Mayton: Mr. Jno.
Poythress: Mr. Rich. Pace: Mr. Thos. Gregory: Mr. Jno. Marshall: Mr.
Henry Burton: Mr. Jno. Hamlin.

Order Bk p.205 [14 Sep 1677 Court at Westover]
Mr. Thos. Blayton as atty. of Mr. Jno. Sadler plt. presents that Henry
Preston deft. as for himself and as Extr. of Thos. Stevenson dec'd both
have forcibly entered and used a parcel of land of 50 acs. belonging to
John Sadler and for 26 years kept him from its possession. Damage asked
for 4000 lbs. tob. and restitution of the land. Referred to a Jury: Mr.
Wm. Randolph, foreman: Mr. Hen. Burton: Mr. Thos. Hamlin: Mr. Jas.
Gunn: Mr. Jno. Hamlin: Mr. Jno. Mayton: Mr. Jno. Poythris: Mr. Henry
Blanks: Mr. Thos. Gregory: Mr. Robt. Bolling: Mr. Jno. Marshall: Mr.
Wm. Harrison. The Jurors return their verdict.

Order Bk p.210 [15 Sep 1677 Court at Westover]
Pres. Sept. 15.
Coll. Edw. Hill: Maj. Jno. Stith: Mr. Jno. Drayton: Capt. Fran. Poythris

Order Bk p.231 [19 Nov 1677 Court at Westover]
Upon pet. of Jno. Leigh showing that he came into the county a servant
to Capt. Thos. Mallory for the term of 4 years, and having served 2
years longer than by the agreement he being sold by Capt. Mallory to Mr.
Jno. Poythris who yet claims a longer time of service. The court having
considered a certificate from the Corp. of Virginia produced for 4 years
it is ordered that Jno. Leigh remain with Mr. Mallory until the next
court when Mr. Poytress & Capt. Mallory may appear & show reason for his
longer service; if no reason sd. Leigh to be free.

Order Bk pgs. 236: 237: 238 [19 Nov 1677 Court at Westover]
Where as at the death of Jno Barker of Flowerdew hundred all the tract
of land known as Flowerdew hundred did descend to Sarah then the wife of
Richard Taylor, dec'd, and now the wife of Robt. Lucy, and to Elizabeth
the wife of Phillip Lymbry, sister and co-heir with the sd. Jno. Barker
who since sd. Barker's decease have held the land in co-partnership at
incovenience to themselves and detriment of the land. Now the sd. Lucy &
wife and the sd. Lymbry & wife do wish the land divided and have
appealed to the court by mutual consent. Coll. Robt. Winn & Lt. Coll.
Geo. Jordan are empowered by court order dated 3 Apr. 1677, to do so.
Jas. Minge, surveyor, has been instructed to lay out the bounds dividing
sd. Flowerdew hundred into two equal parts, the north land bordering the
James River and Macock's land belonging to Dorothy, wife of Hubbert
Farrel; the other being a line of stakes parting the sd. Flowerdew
hundred in two parts. The south part is bordered by the east side of
James River by Flowerdew hundred Creek, by Macock's and by the above
line of stakes. A plan was drawn of the two halves, these 2 plans
framed, put into a hat, a child drew them out and gave one showing the
north part to the sd. Robt. Lucy & Sarah, his wife, and the south part
to Phillip Limbry and Elizabeth, his wife, the parties having agreed to
abide by the division & the drawing. 4 April 1673.
Wit: Robt. Wynn
Thos. Liggon
Jas. Minge
Thos. Blayton

[Correction regarding Order Bk p.287: In the back of the volume of
transcriptions by Ayres that I consulted at the DAR Library in
Washington, DC, is a 13-page list of "Additions and Corrections" by
Frank E. Bradley, Jr. dated May 16, 1971. That list corrects the date
which was mis-typed as 1687, to the correct year of 1678. Thus this
entry should read as follows:]

Order Bk p.287
Court at Westover
15 April 1678
Pres: Coll. Jno. Epps: Maj. Jno. Stith: Mr. Thos. Grandon: Mr. Fra.
Poythress: Capt. Dan'l Lewellen.

Order Bk p.287 cont'd [15 April 1678 Court at Westover]
Admin. is granted Mrs. Eliz. Mallory on the estate of Capt. Thos.
Mallory her dec'd husband. Capt. Fra. Poythres, security.

Order Bk p.300 [cont'd 3 June 1678 Court at Westover, apparently after a
coffee break or lunch, there was a change in the justices present from
the ones shown on p.299, which Maynard had listed:]
Present: Mr. Thos. Grendon: Maj. Jno. Stith: Coll. Jno. Eppes: Capt.
Poythres: Mr. Ber. Sykes: Capt. Dan Lewellin.

Order Bk p.320 [15 Aug 1678 Court at Westover]
Court adjourns for 1 hour. [and the justices were then joined by
Poythress who was not there earlier that day]
Present: Coll. Hill: Coll. Clark: Mr. Sikes: Mr. Grendon: Maj.
Stith: Capt. Poythress.

Order Bk p.340 [4 Dec 1678 Court at Westover]
Pres: Coll. Edw. Hill: Mr. Bern Sikes: Mr. Dan'l Clark: Capt.
Poythres: Mr. Jno. Stith: Mr. Blayton: Mr. Tho. Grendon: Mr. Batt.

[Correction re entry shown by Maynard for p.349 -- the entry he listed
re tax collection is actually on p.350. Following was the entry for p.349:]

Order Bk p.349 [6 Dec 1678 Court at Westover]
[authorized payment] To Maj. Poythres for 2 coroner's fees - 200

Order Bk p.350 [cont'd 6 Dec 1678 Court at Westover]
Ord. that Maj. Fra. Poythres collect [taxes] Jordan's Par. with Thomas
Blayton & Coll. Jno. Epps security

Order Bk p.350 [cont'd 6 Dec 1678 Court at Westover. Here I think this
is a listing first of the tax/tithe that Francis owed, perhaps for the
collections he made at Jordan's, minus his salary and payment due to him
for a cask]
Maj. Fra. Poythres, Collector at Jordan's
To 93 at 51 1/2 per head --- 4789
for cask & salary ---------- 956
[net after subtracting:] 3833

Order Bk p.374 [minor correction to give date: 3 April 1679 Court at
Westover]
Maj. Poythress declares that he imprest a cow valued at 450 lbs. tob.
from John Hughson for use of soldiers. Certificate granted to the
Assembley.		02/16/2006 12:44:42
Some Charles City Co, VA burials & burial sitesBarbara P. NealAn excellent book is available, which those of you who have interest in
following various additional surnames might want to acquire: "80% Heaven
Bound: Deaths & Burials in Charles City County, Virginia" compiled by
Sherry Brown Tyler for the Charles City County Historical Society (570
pages, plus an almost 80 page index, all packed with info). I noted that
it was published in 2000, and the compiler noted that the Society in
1994 began recording all known burial sites in the county.

Tyler commented that work on the project won't be complete until all
deeds have been traced for every piece of land in the county, and
genealogies completed for every family, and until all opportunities for
error have been exhausted. She invited all to assist in the continuing
project by sending any additions/corrections (which she said can easily
be added to the computer file for the book) to the Charles City County
Center for Local History; P.O. Box 128; 10900 Courthouse Rd; Charles
City, VA 23030

Note: the following info is *not* listed in chronological order.

The first Poythress mention in the book is in describing a known burial
location, at St. Thomas Episcopal Church. The church was built in 1834
for the convenience of those living in the eastern part of the county.
The church is on a site of approximately 10 acres along a bank of
Mapsico Creek. The deed (Charles City County, VA Deed Book 8, p.156)
describing the site is where the Poythress name comes in: Collier H.
Minge conveyed to Fielding Lewis, Thomas Poythress and John Minge, for
the establishment of a church, a tract of land described as follows:
"...on the main road leading from Charles City Courthouse to Barrett's
Ferry and running along the line that divides the lands of said Minge
and the heirs of John Creighton, to the swamp and thence down the swamp
to the road leading to the house of the said Collier H. Minge, thence up
said road to the main road: & Thence up the Main road to the beginning,
upon which said piece or parcel of land, the said building for the
Church aforesaid is erected..."

= = =

The next mentions of our name occur regarding a private cemetery at
"Farmer's Rest," which is the name of the property owned (in 2000) by
Richard Duke, who farms both Farmer's Rest and Farmington. She wrote
that he remembers tombstones in what is now the middle of a field, near
the site where the house collapsed by 1965, and where in 2000 bricks and
wood were still visible. The house had a basement and chimneys at both
ends. Farmer's Rest in 1826 was mentioned in Braxton Harrison's deed of
trust. In the 1867 deed index Thomas P. Harrison was listed as owning
it. In identifying information about Braxton Harrison and Braxton
Harrison, the elder, both of whom are "Possibly buried here or at
'Kittewan'" Tyler quoted the following:

re Braxton Harrison, the elder, who died by 1823:
"Supreme Court of Appeals of Virginia, Feb 1831 - Lamb vs Harrison's
Admir &c: 20 Nov 1823, administrator Thomas Poythress, appointed;
Minute Book 1: 18 Dec 1823, order to settle account; 17 My 1827 court,
settlement returned & recorded for Braxton Harrison, the elder."

re Braxton Harrison, who was born circa 1803 and who died 15 Dec 1833:
"Richmond Enquirer, 28 Jan 1834, p.3: Braxton Harrison died at his
residence, 'Farmer's Rest' in Charles City County, age 30, leaving wife
and 5 children; Minute Book 2: 20 Feb 1834, administration of estate
granted Thomas E. Poythress."

= = =

The next mention of our name is regarding that same Thomas E. Poythress,
in the section discussing Kittewan. Kittewan has five known burial sites
within its boundaries. After discussion of Kittewan, Tyler writes that
"David Minge owned land in the area of what is now known as 'Kittewan.'
Part of Minge's land was also called 'Kittewan,' but doesn't seem to
have been that parcel on which the mansion called 'Kittewan' now stands.
The family connections are quite complicated, intertwining with those
who owned the property on which the old mansion house stands." She then
discusses Minge, and his widow, Christiana (about age 36 when he died),
who was named in his will to have use of what he left until his sons
came of age or until she remarried. Christiana indeed remarried, to
Collier Harrison. After Christiana died, Collier Harrison married
Barsheba Bryant (who lived 1787-1850). After Collier died in 1809,
Barsheba married Thomas E. Poythress, per Minute Book 1: 20 Nov 1823,
[Collier's] widow, Barsheba, married next Thomas E. Poythress and they
were guardians of orphans Braxton & Robert C. Harrison.

The following sources are given re that orphan, Robert C. Harrison (born
circa 1809; died 19th of ?? 1845)
- Westover Parish Register: buried at Kittewan, age 36, died of
consumption.
- Minute Book 3: 17 Apr 1845, his will was proved & recorded with
executor Thomas E. Poythress.

Tyler gives the following sources re Thomas E. Poythress (born circa
1802; died March 1847):
- "Westover Parish Register: buried at Kittewan - resident of 'The
Glebe'";
- "Leavell's Register: buried 25 Mar 1847 at Kittewan - died of
intemperance - resided at 'The Glebe'"
- "Will Book 5, p.35: will written 22 Mar 1847 and probated 15 Apr
1847;" Tyler noted that in his will he directed that the cemetery be
enclosed. [Tyler noted that it had earlier, in the 1790 will of
Elizabeth Harrison Rickman Edmonson, been requested that the cemetery be
enclosed by a brick wall. Tyler noted that it is not known whether
Thomas E. Poythress' 1847 will mentioned enclosing it because it had not
been done earlier, or whether it needed to be enclosed again.]
- "Reports of Cases Decided in the Supreme Court of Appeals of
Virginia, Held at Richmond" Vol. I, by John M. Patton, Jr. and Roscoe B.
Heath (The Michie Company: 24 Feb 1900), p.521: January Term, 1855:
Poythress et als Vs Harrison: Thomas E. Poythress death date given as
1847 with his will recorded in Charles City County and George Walker was
the executor."

Tyler gives the following sources re Mrs. Bersheba Poythress (born circa
1787; died Apr 1850):
- "Westover Parish Register: buried at Kittewan - relict of Col. Harrison"
- "Leavell's Register: Mrs. Bersheba Poythress, age 63 buried 19 Apr
1850 - residence, 'The Glebe' - quiet sufferer for years"
- "Will Book 5, p.182: will written 1 May 1849 and probated 18 Apr 1850"
- "Minute Book 4: 18 Apr 1850, will proved & recorded - Thomas E.
Willcox, executor"

Tyler also notes that the following may have been buried there at
Kittewan, too, based on their association with the above:
- Caroline Poythress (born circa 1816; died 1 Oct 1824) "Richmond
Enquirer, 8 Oct 1824, p.3: age 8 - eldest daughter of Capt. Thomas E.
Poythress of Charles City County"
- Ann Maria Poythress (born circa 1821; died 7 Jul 1832) "Richmond
Enquirer, 13 Jul 1832, p.3: died at Kittewan - age 11 - only child of
Capt. Thomas E. & B. Poythress"

= = =

Tyler also noted the death of Capt. Ffran. Poythres prior to court date
of Apr 1661, who left his land to son John, and she gave these sources
re his death:
- "Will & Deed Book, 1692-1694 fragment: 3 Apr 1694, mentioned in
letter of attorney"
- "Court Orders, 1687-1695: Maj. Fra. Poythress - 8 Jan 1688,
administration, with will annexed, granted to Rebecca, widow (date may
be death date or meeting held at house on this date) - Dr. Ja. Tubb
later granted judgment against estate "for phyusical means administered
in his last sickness"
- "Will & Deed Book, 1692-1694, fragment: Francis Poythress - 30 Oct
1693, mentioned in power of attorney as deceased."

= = =

Tyler noted the following deaths were known to have been by the Court
dates shown:

- Joshua Poythress, by the Jul 1741 Court date, "executors involved in
suit" (Court Minutes Book 1; Weisiger's transcription)

- James Johnson, by 16 Mar 1826 Court date, "orphan Camilla A. M.
chose as guardian Thomas Poythress" (Court Minutes Book 1; Weisiger's
transcription)

- William Poythress, by 18 Jun 1840 Court date, "mentioned as son of
Capt. Wm. S. Poythress" (Court Minutes Book 3, 1838-1847)

- Capt. William S. Poythress, by 18 Jun 1840 Court date, "certified
officer in Rev. War - died leaving 4 children certified as only heirs:
Thomas E.; Joshua; William (d. intestate, no issue); Patrick H." (Tyler
lists both Court Minutes Book 3, 1838-1847; and Francis B. Heitman's
"Historical Register of Officers of the Continental Army During the War
of the Revolution," Clearfield reprint, 1997, p.450: "A Wm. Poythress
was a 1st Lt. In the 1st Continental Artillery")

= = =

Tyler noted the following:
Chancery Court Records, Box 2, 1849 - 0018
Thomas P. Harrison by next Friend vs Thomas E. Poythress et als
as another source re the death of Thomas Poythress in 1847		02/17/2006 1:39:12
RE: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listingsDeloris RileyAgain, thank you for sharing info. This one reinforces our lack of
additional data on the life/death of Colonel Robert Wynne since he died
1675/1676. The missing pages of the order book, pages 1-162 could have
contained some mention or record of him.

1674 (?) Colonel Robert Wynne was guardian of Robert Edloe and Colonel
Wynne was still alive in 1674/75 and he is ill and unable to look after
Edloe. So, he sends Robert, age 14, to Court to have Robert Edloe's
kinsman, James Minge appointed as his guardian.

On June 10, 1774, Robert Edloe appears in Court and Mr. Minge refers to
Robert Wynne as Edloes "late guardian". Robert Wynne's will was dated 15
July 1675.

If I remember correctly, without checking, Joshua Wynne sold or rented
some of his land to Benjamin Harrison at one time.

-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:45 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listings

I received a good question from Mike: Was the date in the following
supposed to be "16th of Sept. 1676?" Order Bk p.191 [13 Sep 1677 Court
at Westover] Jno. Finley aged 24 years...

I re-checked, and also re-checked the "Additions and Corrections" at the

end of the volume. The date shown was indeed "13 Sep 1677"

In my re-examination, I found the additional entry below on p.286 re
Flower dew Hundred that I missed yesterday.

This volume contains *no* entries for 1676, though this volume opens
with the notation that pages 1-162 (of the original Order Book) are
missing.

In this volume, the entries run chronologically from beginning with
p.163 which was an entry of "3 May 1677, Rec. 16 June 1677"

pp.283-284 had been torn away per the transcriber

p.285 begins in mid-entry witnessed on and delivered in court on 14 Feb
1677/78

Order Bk p.286 [14 Feb 1677/78 Court; Bpn note: the dashes appear in
this volume; my notations are in square brackets below; the
parenthetical comment is by Margaret McNeill Ayres, who transcribed and
abstracted this volume]
Robert Lucy of Flowerde Hundred in County of Charles City & Sarah his
wife on one part and Benjamin Harrison of Surry on the other part - - -,

the sd. Robt. and Sarah Lucy for the love and affection they bear unto
John & Richard Taylor sons of the sd. Lucy for a necessary provision of
lands, etc. for sd. Jno. Richard etc. have granted, bargained, [blank
space underscored in the transcription here, where the word "conveyed"
would usually appear] & sold and do give, etc. unto Benj. Harrison - - -

(End of transcription. Were they setting up a trust and the clerk
recorded no further? Ed.)

p.287 begins the 15 April 1678 Court at Westover, and the book continues

in chronological order thru other court dates as shown in yesterday's
message


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Additions to 1680-1691/92 Charles City Co, VA Poythress listingsBarbara P. NealMore new additions (& minor correction) to Maynard's great list of
Charles City County, Virginia documents. These are from Weisiger's
"Charles City County, Virginia Court Orders 1687-1695 With A Fragment of
a Court Order Book for the Year 1680."

I recall Maynard talking with me about the fact that he found
discrepancies between two different versions of Benjamin Weisiger's
transcriptions, and him consulting with Weisiger's son, Minor, who works
in the Library of Virginia. The differences were something Minor said
would have to be studied. I haven't heard any "rest of the story" so
suspect that study has not yet been completed. Below I offer additions
from the version I'm examining, which did not appear in Maynard's listing.

My notations are in square brackets.

1680 Fragment [minor correction: in the text of this item, Maynard had a
typo and put "1689" where it should be "1680" Note that since this was
recorded in Feb 1680, we now refer to the date as Feb 1680/81]

[These next 2 entries are on pages not many pages after the one Maynard
listed for p.361 on 3 Aug 1691, involving Geo. Woodleiffe and Jno.
Poythress. By the dates on these next two entries, these would appear to
be from the same February court date as the ones Maynard has regarding
Rebecca Poythress and a deed for land, both of which are shown as being
on "p.150." However, the transcription I'm looking at does not have
those 2 entries he found, and I don't see these next 2 entries in his
listing. Confused? Join the club.]

p.385 Court at Westopher [sic] 3rd February 1691 [thus 1691/92]
In suit of Cha. Bartholomew, assignee of Mrs. Rebecca Poythress, agst
James Denson, and deft. not appearing, an order is granted agst Sherr,
for £10

p.390 A Court at Westopher [sic] for Charles City 3rd March 1691 [thus
1691/92]
Judgement granted Charles Bartholmew, assignee of Mrs. Rebecca
Poythress, agst James Denson for £6		02/17/2006 9:21:30
More Charles City Co, VA Poythress listingsBarbara P. NealFrom Benjamin B. Weisiger III's "Charles City County, Virginia Records
1737-1774 (With Several 17th Century Fragments)" [My own comments are in
square brackets, within the entries. Parentheses are Weisiger's.]

[Aha! In this book I found the 2 "Feb 1692" entries that Maynard had
included in his listing, which I was unable to find in the Court Order
Book. I'll repeat them here, even though they do appear in Maynard's
listing, to help clarify their correct source. In this Weisiger book,
the two Feb 1692 items he listed are shown together, as if one entry and
as I list the p.150 item below, rather than separated into two items.]


From what Weisiger states is a "Fragment of a Will & Deed Book 1692-1694"

p.150 (first part missing) a deed from Rebecca Poythress to Joshua Wynne
Wit: Charles Bartholomew, Wm. Epes, Elizabeth (X) Smith
Signed: Rebecca Poythress Recorded 3 Feb. 1692 [thus 1692/93]
Power of Attorney from Rebecca Poythress to Charles Bartholomew to
convey above land. 2 Feb. 1692 [thus 1692/93]
Wit. Wm Epes, Wm Epes, Elizabeth (X) Smith
Signed: Rebecca Poythress Recorded 3 Feb. 1692 [thus 1692/93]

From what Weisiger states is a "Fragment of a Will & Deed Book
1692-1694" [another entry Maynard had included with the Court Order Book
items]
p.185 Whereas a letter of attorney, bearing date ____ London appointed
me, Richard Tibbott, Mariner, to be attorney for Thomas Crane to receive
of the heirs and Executors of Francis Poythress, late of Charles City
Co. in Va., dec'd, £10 with interest, I substitute Capt. Petter Perry of
said county to act for me. 30 Oct 1693
Wit: Richard Blande, Hugh Davis
Signed: Richard Tibbott Recorded 3 April 1694 [thus 1694/95]


From what Weisiger states is a "Fragment of an Order Book for 1641-1642
(Mss 3c3807 a26 from the Manuscript Collections of The VA Historical
Society) [The following is everything Weisiger included for the item]:

Deposition of William Thomas, age 34 (very confusing) about a cow and
calf of Thomas Osborn's, ear marks, John Flood's boat and Mrs. Heymon.
This is followed by a deposition of William Hinman, age 20, having to do
with Mrs. Heyman's calfs, Mr. Poythris's house, a white faced steer and
cow & calf, and Roger Humblee.		02/17/2006 10:01:07
Re: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listingsBarbara P. NealI received a good question from Mike: Was the date in the following
supposed to be "16th of Sept. 1676?" Order Bk p.191 [13 Sep 1677 Court
at Westover] Jno. Finley aged 24 years...

I re-checked, and also re-checked the "Additions and Corrections" at the
end of the volume. The date shown was indeed "13 Sep 1677"

In my re-examination, I found the additional entry below on p.286 re
Flower dew Hundred that I missed yesterday.

This volume contains *no* entries for 1676, though this volume opens
with the notation that pages 1-162 (of the original Order Book) are missing.

In this volume, the entries run chronologically from beginning with
p.163 which was an entry of "3 May 1677, Rec. 16 June 1677"

pp.283-284 had been torn away per the transcriber

p.285 begins in mid-entry witnessed on and delivered in court on 14 Feb
1677/78

Order Bk p.286 [14 Feb 1677/78 Court; Bpn note: the dashes appear in
this volume; my notations are in square brackets below; the
parenthetical comment is by Margaret McNeill Ayres, who transcribed and
abstracted this volume]
Robert Lucy of Flowerde Hundred in County of Charles City & Sarah his
wife on one part and Benjamin Harrison of Surry on the other part - - -,
the sd. Robt. and Sarah Lucy for the love and affection they bear unto
John & Richard Taylor sons of the sd. Lucy for a necessary provision of
lands, etc. for sd. Jno. Richard etc. have granted, bargained, [blank
space underscored in the transcription here, where the word "conveyed"
would usually appear] & sold and do give, etc. unto Benj. Harrison - - -
(End of transcription. Were they setting up a trust and the clerk
recorded no further? Ed.)

p.287 begins the 15 April 1678 Court at Westover, and the book continues
in chronological order thru other court dates as shown in yesterday's
message		02/17/2006 12:45:00
Re: Additional CC Co. informationBarbara P. NealYes indeed, Maynard, that was my intention. Thanks so much for combining
it & for all your good work. I look forward to getting the updated CC Co
document when you've gotten to that point. I plan to continue, as time
permits, to go thru other info I have for any that is not already in
your various counties' documents. Thanks again,
Barbara



02/19/2006 1:46:20
RE: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listingsJohn M. PoythressBarbara:

All corrections and additions made per below. Just wonder who was Frank
E. Bradley, Jr. to come out of the woodwork with those
additions/corrections in 1971? I wouldn't begin to question his
credibility; just how we missed so much the first time.

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:45 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listings

Referring to Maynard's great Word document that he has made available to
us via the CD of info he has prepared, I have found these additional
Poythress listings (and a Flowerdew Hundred listing) in the Charles City
County, Virginia Order Book of 1676-1679, and a few minor corrections
that I'll try to clarify. My comments will be in square brackets.
Spelling here is as it was transcribed by abstractor & compiler Margaret
McNeill Ayres, 1968:

Order Bk p.173 [I offer just clarification on this one, since the date
was given in Maynard's document as "00,00,1676" This page appears in
the midst of info from the Jun 1677 Court at Westover]
Action of Dr. Geo. Lee plt. and Capt. Fr. Poythress deft. referred to
next court.

Order Bk p.174 [still the Jun 1677 Court at Westover]
The action of Jno. Coggan plt. and Allen Jenkings deft. is dismissed.
Peter Field plt. against the estate of Wm. Jenkings, decd, attachment
upon a horse by order 16 April last, sd. horse appraised by Jas. Wallis,
Jno. Poythress & Roger Reese and valued at 1000 lbs tob. But Jenkings
was indebted to Field for 1368 lbs. tob. Judgm. granted unto Field on
the horse also for 368 lbs. tob.

Order Bk p.191 [13 Sep 1677 Court at Westover]
Jno. Finley aged 24 years deposes that about 16th of Sept. 1666 last he
was among a group brough[t] to Nevet Wheeler's in Martin Brandon. All
put in confinement and urged to join the rebels. Refusing he was
continued in confinement longer became ill and was dismissed. Referred
to a jury, Mr. Thos. Cocke, foreman: Mr. Jas. Gunn: Mr. Wm. Randolph:
Mr. Sampson Ellis: Mr. Tho. Hamlin: Mr. Jno Mayton: Mr. Jno.
Poythress: Mr. Rich. Pace: Mr. Thos. Gregory: Mr. Jno. Marshall: Mr.
Henry Burton: Mr. Jno. Hamlin.

Order Bk p.205 [14 Sep 1677 Court at Westover]
Mr. Thos. Blayton as atty. of Mr. Jno. Sadler plt. presents that Henry
Preston deft. as for himself and as Extr. of Thos. Stevenson dec'd both
have forcibly entered and used a parcel of land of 50 acs. belonging to
John Sadler and for 26 years kept him from its possession. Damage asked
for 4000 lbs. tob. and restitution of the land. Referred to a Jury: Mr.
Wm. Randolph, foreman: Mr. Hen. Burton: Mr. Thos. Hamlin: Mr. Jas.
Gunn: Mr. Jno. Hamlin: Mr. Jno. Mayton: Mr. Jno. Poythris: Mr. Henry
Blanks: Mr. Thos. Gregory: Mr. Robt. Bolling: Mr. Jno. Marshall: Mr.
Wm. Harrison. The Jurors return their verdict.

Order Bk p.210 [15 Sep 1677 Court at Westover]
Pres. Sept. 15.
Coll. Edw. Hill: Maj. Jno. Stith: Mr. Jno. Drayton: Capt. Fran.
Poythris

Order Bk p.231 [19 Nov 1677 Court at Westover]
Upon pet. of Jno. Leigh showing that he came into the county a servant
to Capt. Thos. Mallory for the term of 4 years, and having served 2
years longer than by the agreement he being sold by Capt. Mallory to Mr.
Jno. Poythris who yet claims a longer time of service. The court having
considered a certificate from the Corp. of Virginia produced for 4 years
it is ordered that Jno. Leigh remain with Mr. Mallory until the next
court when Mr. Poytress & Capt. Mallory may appear & show reason for his
longer service; if no reason sd. Leigh to be free.

Order Bk pgs. 236: 237: 238 [19 Nov 1677 Court at Westover]
Where as at the death of Jno Barker of Flowerdew hundred all the tract
of land known as Flowerdew hundred did descend to Sarah then the wife of
Richard Taylor, dec'd, and now the wife of Robt. Lucy, and to Elizabeth
the wife of Phillip Lymbry, sister and co-heir with the sd. Jno. Barker
who since sd. Barker's decease have held the land in co-partnership at
incovenience to themselves and detriment of the land. Now the sd. Lucy &
wife and the sd. Lymbry & wife do wish the land divided and have
appealed to the court by mutual consent. Coll. Robt. Winn & Lt. Coll.
Geo. Jordan are empowered by court order dated 3 Apr. 1677, to do so.
Jas. Minge, surveyor, has been instructed to lay out the bounds dividing
sd. Flowerdew hundred into two equal parts, the north land bordering the
James River and Macock's land belonging to Dorothy, wife of Hubbert
Farrel; the other being a line of stakes parting the sd. Flowerdew
hundred in two parts. The south part is bordered by the east side of
James River by Flowerdew hundred Creek, by Macock's and by the above
line of stakes. A plan was drawn of the two halves, these 2 plans
framed, put into a hat, a child drew them out and gave one showing the
north part to the sd. Robt. Lucy & Sarah, his wife, and the south part
to Phillip Limbry and Elizabeth, his wife, the parties having agreed to
abide by the division & the drawing. 4 April 1673.
Wit: Robt. Wynn
Thos. Liggon
Jas. Minge
Thos. Blayton

[Correction regarding Order Bk p.287: In the back of the volume of
transcriptions by Ayres that I consulted at the DAR Library in
Washington, DC, is a 13-page list of "Additions and Corrections" by
Frank E. Bradley, Jr. dated May 16, 1971. That list corrects the date
which was mis-typed as 1687, to the correct year of 1678. Thus this
entry should read as follows:]

Order Bk p.287
Court at Westover
15 April 1678
Pres: Coll. Jno. Epps: Maj. Jno. Stith: Mr. Thos. Grandon: Mr. Fra.
Poythress: Capt. Dan'l Lewellen.

Order Bk p.287 cont'd [15 April 1678 Court at Westover]
Admin. is granted Mrs. Eliz. Mallory on the estate of Capt. Thos.
Mallory her dec'd husband. Capt. Fra. Poythres, security.

Order Bk p.300 [cont'd 3 June 1678 Court at Westover, apparently after a
coffee break or lunch, there was a change in the justices present from
the ones shown on p.299, which Maynard had listed:]
Present: Mr. Thos. Grendon: Maj. Jno. Stith: Coll. Jno. Eppes: Capt.
Poythres: Mr. Ber. Sykes: Capt. Dan Lewellin.

Order Bk p.320 [15 Aug 1678 Court at Westover]
Court adjourns for 1 hour. [and the justices were then joined by
Poythress who was not there earlier that day]
Present: Coll. Hill: Coll. Clark: Mr. Sikes: Mr. Grendon: Maj.
Stith: Capt. Poythress.

Order Bk p.340 [4 Dec 1678 Court at Westover]
Pres: Coll. Edw. Hill: Mr. Bern Sikes: Mr. Dan'l Clark: Capt.
Poythres: Mr. Jno. Stith: Mr. Blayton: Mr. Tho. Grendon: Mr. Batt.

[Correction re entry shown by Maynard for p.349 -- the entry he listed
re tax collection is actually on p.350. Following was the entry for
p.349:]

Order Bk p.349 [6 Dec 1678 Court at Westover]
[authorized payment] To Maj. Poythres for 2 coroner's fees - 200

Order Bk p.350 [cont'd 6 Dec 1678 Court at Westover]
Ord. that Maj. Fra. Poythres collect [taxes] Jordan's Par. with Thomas
Blayton & Coll. Jno. Epps security

Order Bk p.350 [cont'd 6 Dec 1678 Court at Westover. Here I think this
is a listing first of the tax/tithe that Francis owed, perhaps for the
collections he made at Jordan's, minus his salary and payment due to him

for a cask]
Maj. Fra. Poythres, Collector at Jordan's
To 93 at 51 1/2 per head --- 4789
for cask & salary ---------- 956
[net after subtracting:] 3833

Order Bk p.374 [minor correction to give date: 3 April 1679 Court at
Westover]
Maj. Poythress declares that he imprest a cow valued at 450 lbs. tob.
from John Hughson for use of soldiers. Certificate granted to the
Assembley.


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Additional CC Co. informationJohn M. PoythressBarbara, I assume it was your intention that the information provided in
your 4 emails be dialed into the master database which I'll proceed to
do shortly....and also correct the errors and omissions you pointed out.
Good sleuthing.

Maynard		02/19/2006 4:24:33
Francis Poythress deaths - correctionBarbara P. NealA correction is needed in part of my 17 Feb 2006 message, captioned
"Some Charles City Co, VA burials & burial sites"

I inadvertently combined info 2 Francis Poythress deaths. I should have
better separated them, as did the compiler of the book, "80% Heaven
Bound: Deaths & Burials in Charles City County, Virginia" compiled by
Sherry Brown Tyler for the Charles City County Historical Society.

Note: In looking at these now, I wonder if Tyler might have made an
editing error in including these 3 citations for the first death,
however since I haven't studied the 3 sources she mentions, I cannot
clarify why/whether the 3 are sources of the death of the first Francis.
If any of you have studied these 3 sources, and find any error here,
please let me know:


Tyler noted on her p.404, the death of Capt. Ffran. Poythres prior to
court date of Apr 1661, who left his land to son John, and she gave
these sources re his death:
- "Will & Deed Book, 1692-1694 fragment: 3 Apr 1694, mentioned in
letter of attorney"
- "Court Orders, 1687-1695: Maj. Fra. Poythress - 8 Jan 1688,
administration, with will annexed, granted to Rebecca, widow (date may
be death date or meeting held at house on this date) - Dr. Ja. Tubb
later granted judgment against estate "for phyusical means administered
in his last sickness"
- "Will & Deed Book, 1692-1694, fragment: Francis Poythress - 30 Oct
1693, mentioned in power of attorney as deceased."

Tyler noted on her p.412, the death of Maj. Fra. Poythress prior to the
court date of 8 Jan 1688, and she mentions only the second of the
above-cited sources, re action taken following his death:
- administration, with will annexed, granted to Rebecca, widow (date
may be death date or meeting held at house on this date) - Dr. Ja. Tubb
later granted judgment against estate "for phyusical means administered
in his last sickness"

Thanks for any further clarification anyone can offer.
Barbara		02/19/2006 5:40:06
A correction re Charles City Co, VA burials & burial sitesBarbara P. Neal a typing error: the first Poythress mention I gave substituted
"9,156" for what should have been "p.156" Corrected:

1834, Charles City Co, VA DB 8, p.156 [from Heaven Bound]
The first Poythress mention in the book is in describing a known burial
location, at St. Thomas Episcopal Church...		02/19/2006 6:35:47
Re: More Charles City Co, VA Poythress listingsBarbara P. NealFound another error in one of my own comments added in my 17 Feb message
captioned "More Charles City Co, VA Poythress listings" which had info
from Benjamin B. Weisiger III's "Charles City County, Virginia Records
1737-1774 (With Several 17th Century Fragments)"

I had forgotten that the old-style dates, before 1752, are now shown
with double years *only* for the part of the year between 1 January and
25 March (Had erroneously been thinking it was April, rather than March)

Thus the following is the corrected version of this entry:

From what Weisiger states is a "Fragment of a Will & Deed Book
1692-1694" [an entry Maynard had included with the Court Order Book
items]
p.185 Whereas a letter of attorney, bearing date ____ London appointed
me, Richard Tibbott, Mariner, to be attorney for Thomas Crane to receive
of the heirs and Executors of Francis Poythress, late of Charles City
Co. in Va., dec'd, £10 with interest, I substitute Capt. Petter Perry of
said county to act for me. 30 Oct 1693
Wit: Richard Blande, Hugh Davis
Signed: Richard Tibbott Recorded 3 April 1694		02/19/2006 9:07:00
RE: Additions to 1680-1691/92 Charles City Co, VA Poythress listingsJohn M. PoythressBarbara, re the below, I have corrected as noted:



-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 7:22 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Additions to 1680-1691/92 Charles City Co, VA Poythress
listings



More new additions (& minor correction) to Maynard's great list of
Charles City County, Virginia documents. These are from Weisiger's
"Charles City County, Virginia Court Orders 1687-1695 With A Fragment of
a Court Order Book for the Year 1680."



I recall Maynard talking with me about the fact that he found
discrepancies between two different versions of Benjamin Weisiger's
transcriptions, and him consulting with Weisiger's son, Minor, who works
in the Library of Virginia. The differences were something Minor said
would have to be studied. I haven't heard any "rest of the story" so
suspect that study has not yet been completed.



Minor showing little enthusiasm for such a job, I cobbled the two lists
together and reconciled the entries as appeared practical. Actually,
aside from minor issues of timing, none of the contradictions were of
consequence.





Below I offer additions from the version I'm examining, which did not
appear in Maynard's listing.



My notations are in square brackets.



1680 Fragment [minor correction: in the text of this item, Maynard had a
typo and put "1689" where it should be "1680" Note that since this was
recorded in Feb 1680, we now refer to the date as Feb 1680/81]
[corrected 19 Feb 2006]



[These next 2 entries are on pages not many pages after the one Maynard
listed for p.361 on 3 Aug 1691, involving Geo. Woodleiffe and Jno.
Poythress. By the dates on these next two entries, these would appear to
be from the same February court date as the ones Maynard has regarding
Rebecca Poythress and a deed for land, both of which are shown as being
on "p.150." However, the transcription I'm looking at does not have
those 2 entries he found, and I don't see these next 2 entries in his
listing. Confused? Join the club.] [the page numbers for these two
entries were clearly out of sequence; I recorded them in the order they
appeared on the microfilm, even though numbered out of sequence, and let
it go at that]



p.385 Court at Westopher [sic] 3rd February 1691 [thus 1691/92]In suit
of Cha. Bartholomew, assignee of Mrs. Rebecca Poythress, agst James
Denson, and deft. not appearing, an order is granted agst Sherr, for £10



p.390 A Court at Westopher [sic] for Charles City 3rd March 1691 [thus
1691/92]Judgement granted Charles Bartholmew, assignee of Mrs. Rebecca
Poythress, agst James Denson for £6



[the two entries above added to database 19 Feb 2006]		02/19/2006 10:57:28
RE: Francis Poythress deaths - correctionJohn M. PoythressBarbara...my take is below. Actually, I'm fairly confident that ALL 3
references below are to the death of Francis 4,

("Major") Francis Poythress, d. 1688.



Here is the entry I have made on the data base which I'll be happy to
amend if anyone has a better view:



3 Apr 1694

From a work titled "80% Heaven Bound: Deaths and Burials in Charles City
County, Virginia" compiler S. B. Tyler notes the death of Capt. Ffran.
Poythres prior to a court date of 1661 "who left his land to son John"
and cites an entry from Charles City County's "Will and Deed" Book,
1692-94 fragment referencing a 3 Apr 1694 "letter of attorney." (note:
while it is indeed likely that the referenced Capt. Ffran. Poythres died
prior to 1661, it appears more likely that the "late" entry involved in
this mention is actually Capt. Poythres' son "Major" Francis Poythress
who died about 1688. The qualifier "left his land to his son John" is
not a determinant since each Francis had a son named John and insofar as
is known, the will of neither Francis Poythress exists. Capt. Francis
Poythres led an expedition against the Indians in 1647 into what became
Northumberland County and is recorded in 1649 as a Burgess of that
county. The last recorded presence of Capt. Francis Poythres [Poythers]
is receiving a settlement from the estate of one Thomas Sedgraves 20 Sep
1651 in Northumberland County (N. Co. Record book 14, p. 9). There is
no known evidence to suggest that he ever returned to Charles City
County and his death is not known to be recorded ).









-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:40 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Francis Poythress deaths - correction



A correction is needed in part of my 17 Feb 2006 message, captioned
"Some Charles City Co, VA burials & burial sites"



I inadvertently combined info 2 Francis Poythress deaths. I should have
better separated them, as did the compiler of the book, "80% Heaven
Bound: Deaths & Burials in Charles City County, Virginia" compiled by
Sherry Brown Tyler for the Charles City County Historical Society.



Note: In looking at these now, I wonder if Tyler might have made an
editing error in including these 3 citations for the first death, [my
suggestion is that she did indeed make an error but it was hanging all 3
citations on Francis 0 when all 3 likely belonged to Francis 4
"Major"]however since I haven't studied the 3 sources she mentions, I
cannot clarify why/whether the 3 are sources of the death of the first
Francis. If any of you have studied these 3 sources, and find any error
here, please let me know:



Tyler noted on her p.404, the death of Capt. Ffran. Poythres prior to
court date of Apr 1661, who left his land to son John, and she gave
these sources re his death:

- "Will & Deed Book, 1692-1694 fragment: 3 Apr 1694, mentioned in
letter of attorney"

- "Court Orders, 1687-1695: Maj. Fra. Poythress - 8 Jan 1688,
administration, with will annexed, granted to Rebecca, widow (date may
be death date or meeting held at house on this date) - Dr. Ja. Tubb
later granted judgment against estate "for phyusical means administered

in his last sickness"

- "Will & Deed Book, 1692-1694, fragment: Francis Poythress - 30 Oct
1693, mentioned in power of attorney as deceased."



Tyler noted on her p.412, the death of Maj. Fra. Poythress prior to the
court date of 8 Jan 1688, and she mentions only the second of the
above-cited sources, re action taken following his death: -
administration, with will annexed, granted to Rebecca, widow (date may
be death date or meeting held at house on this date) - Dr. Ja. Tubb
later granted judgment against estate "for phyusical means administered
in his last sickness"



Thanks for any further clarification anyone can offer.

Barbara



























o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/		02/19/2006 11:11:43
Re: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listingsBarbara P. NealThanks, Maynard. From the appearance of Ayres' book of transcribed
abstracts, with his Additions & Corrections (catching her typos, mainly)
in the back of it, I sort of figure both of them must be longtime
Virginia researchers. Bradley's Note at the beginning of his May 16,
1971 Additions & Corrections reads: "These additions and corrections are
the result of a careful comparison by the author of the printed text and
a microfilm of the original order book, which is quite legible. A review
of the printed book by this author appears in the April, 1969 issue of
"The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography" on page 214. Only
instances of omission and incorrect reading of persons' names have been
included. Minor errors in transcription such as Gilley for Gilly, Roland
for Rowland and incorrect amounts of tobacco paid, etc. have been
ignored, as the printed text should only be used as a guide to the
original order book."		02/19/2006 12:55:48
Let us now Praise Famous Men.....John M. Poythressto wit: 24 year old Lt. George Dixon, commander of the CSS Hunley, who
undertook and
achieved an historic and noble mission 142 years ago this month...to
wait many, many
years to receive heartfelt honors from the nation he was defending..

Hunley's historic return

Thousands welcome Confederate sub home August 2000

Like an injured dolphin hanging in a rescue sling, the submarine H.L.
Hunley
rose safely from the sea Tuesday and returned to Charleston, escorted by
an
armada of boats eager to accompany the long-lost Confederate sub home.

"It's a treasure, and we got it all," proclaimed National Park Service
diver
Dr. Dave Conlin. "It's a piece of world history. It's the granddaddy of
all
submarines."

"I'm numb - just numb," added author Clive Cussler. "Everybody assured
me
that this thing would go like clockwork, and it did."

The Hunley broke the ocean's surface at 8:39 a.m. after a tense,
one-minute
pause when it hung suspended in its lift cables, barely 10 feet off the
bottom.

But after the crane operator got the final "OK go," up it came, marking
the
successful recovery of the world's first attack sub - a vessel so daring
it
helped render wooden navies obsolete.

"What an emotional day. I can't describe how I feel," said Paul
Mardikian,
the French archaeologist who will treat and restore the sub and its
artifacts
for the next seven years.

"If I don't cry today, it's incredible," he said.

With a national audience watching on TV and thousands of South
Carolinians
following from shore, the recovery closed a story five years in the
making.

In May 1995, a dive team funded by Cussler said it found the sub,
solving the
first riddle of the elusive stealth weapon. Since then, it has become an

object of worship by both Confederate faithful and maritime historians.

What those lucky enough to get a glimpse of the Hunley on Tuesday saw
was
something resembling a giant cigar encrusted in a thick coating of
corrosion
and marine growth.

It's also covered by a new layer of 4-month-old barnacles, just like
what
anyone would see at low tide growing on a pier. If you touch it, you'd
risk
razor-cutting a finger.

Still, scientists ooed and awwed.

Almost immediately, they started picking out the multiple design
features
they couldn't fully see underwater but will study for decades.

There's a conning tower porthole they didn't know about. The bow slopes
like
an icebreaker, and at a cramped 42 feet long, the idea that nine men
could
fit inside the Hunley looks downright impossible.

"We did it! We did it!" exclaimed Warren Lasch, chairman of Friends of
the
Hunley, as the sub surfaced.

"Oh my gosh," said Hunley Commission Chairman Glenn McConnell, who went
nearly speechless. "Look at that fin. Look at that incredible fin."

"It's almost a contradiction to have a beautiful vessel like that also
be a
coffin," Lasch said.

Researchers believe nine men, including skipper Lt. George Dixon, have
been
entombed inside ever since the night of Feb. 17, 1864, when the Hunley
left
the north end of Sullivan's Island on a seek-and-destroy mission against

Union blockade ships. The Hunley men found, rammed and sank the USS
Housatonic four miles off shore. But the Hunley never returned, her nine

sailors presumably drowned. This was its third and final crew; 22 men in
all
were killed in the sub.

Now, with the sub finally back on dry land, teams can begin the
painstaking
process of solving the mysteries of the sub's last night.

One key aid could be found inside the sub's cramped quarters: Forensics
experts expect to find the crews' remains nearly at their exact rowing
stations but buried in the layer of silt that collected inside.

"The oxygen went down very quickly because of the decomposition of the
bodies," Mardikian said. "I am very confident we may find a lot of
artifacts."

But the real story Tuesday was the recovery from beneath 28 feet of
swirling
ocean. There was no countdown. No "3-2-1." Just a lift ... followed by
honking horns and cheers as it was shown off, hanging 15 feet over the
ocean.

Once out of the water, the sub was moved by crane to a bobbing barge
where
engineers discovered they'd have, at most, 28 seconds of calm water
between
swells. It was planted with perfection.

"Those fellas will not spend another night in the Atlantic Ocean," state
Sen.
McConnell said as he regained his voice.

The sub, still locked in its lift truss, rested on its side at the same
45-degree angle in which it was found. To keep it protected from the
atmosphere, the Hunley was continually wetted by spray - from a set of
ordinary garden sprinklers.

Moments later, the barge was tied to a tow barge and pointed toward
shore as
police and more than 300 pleasure boats followed alongside. Most flew
giant
Confederate battle flags.

Though Tuesday was a celebration of recovery, it quickly took on a
carnival
flair. Boats and crowds welcomed the sub in as it crossed into
Charleston
Harbor near Fort Moultrie.

John Tucker, the Park Service's chief ranger for Fort Sumter National
Monument, estimated about 5,000 witnessed the Hunley passing by the
fort.

"This day shows that the Southern spirit is alive and well in
Charleston,"
added native Virginian and Mount Pleasant resident Travis Wolfe. "It's a

positive day for the South. I'm glad to be a Southerner, and I think the

people who aren't wished they were."

Another high note came when traffic on the Cooper River bridges came to
a
complete stop at noon as the Hunley passed under. Drivers abandoned
their
cars to peer over the side of the bridge as the sub passed under. No one

seemed to experience road rage because of the delay.

It took three hours to make the 15-mile trip from the wreck site to Pier

Juliet at the old Charleston Naval Shipyard. Upon its arrival at about
1:20
p.m., the vessel was unloaded and gingerly carted to the Warren Lasch
Conservation Center. A ceiling-mounted crane lowered it into the
conservation
tank where it will sit in a cold water bath.

It could be months before scientists find a way into the sub. But they
have
plenty of time.

So far, the Hunley project has cost about $8 million in taxpayer and
private
funding. That includes $5 million for the lift and $2.8 million for the
conservation lab.

After the Hunley was placed in its tank, Lasch declared "the Hunley has
completed her long journey. Soon we'll be solving the mystery of why she

didn't come home 136 years ago."

Added McConnell: "If these men could stand here today, they would tell
you
thank you for bringing them home."		02/20/2006 1:49:31
Re: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listingsBarbara P. Neal amen, Maynard, one of life's mysteries. Probably the difference is
between you/any of us "scanning" for Poythress, versus the pro who is
reading every word for abstracting all the entries.

Thanks again so much for all your great work on tackling these things.
Barbara



02/20/2006 2:41:13
RE: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listingsJohn M. PoythressYou know, it remains a constant mystery how I can transcribe stuff off
of a roll of microfilm and then find someone/anyone coming up with not
only some totally new material and/or even contradictory material
rarely.

Did someone "splice" the microfilm? Did the clerk make more than one
copy? (no way). Did I really miss this much? I guess it has to be the
last....but the CC County stuff is a real puzzler. There is just no way
I could have missed that much stuff.

I'm concluding that it's one of life's mysteries but will resolve to
take about twice as long to scan any new microfilm I transcribe.

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:56 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listings

Thanks, Maynard. From the appearance of Ayres' book of transcribed
abstracts, with his Additions & Corrections (catching her typos, mainly)

in the back of it, I sort of figure both of them must be longtime
Virginia researchers. Bradley's Note at the beginning of his May 16,
1971 Additions & Corrections reads: "These additions and corrections are

the result of a careful comparison by the author of the printed text and

a microfilm of the original order book, which is quite legible. A review

of the printed book by this author appears in the April, 1969 issue of
"The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography" on page 214. Only
instances of omission and incorrect reading of persons' names have been
included. Minor errors in transcription such as Gilley for Gilly, Roland

for Rowland and incorrect amounts of tobacco paid, etc. have been
ignored, as the printed text should only be used as a guide to the
original order book."


==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net		02/20/2006 3:38:37
RE: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listingsDeloris RileyThis is solely the opinion of an "older" genealogist. The only true way
to get information correct is to go, in person, to the Court House and
transcribe or copy, personally, the original record book. This requires
a solid background on knowledge of the original Virginia immigrants'
names and their spelling. However, I am not sure that in today's
world, one would be given access to the original record books.
Fortunately, in many cases, years ago, I had the opportunity to do just
that regarding my Wynne family information. You all are doing a great
job! Deloris Wynne-Riley

-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:39 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listings

You know, it remains a constant mystery how I can transcribe stuff off
of a roll of microfilm and then find someone/anyone coming up with not
only some totally new material and/or even contradictory material
rarely.

Did someone "splice" the microfilm? Did the clerk make more than one
copy? (no way). Did I really miss this much? I guess it has to be the
last....but the CC County stuff is a real puzzler. There is just no way
I could have missed that much stuff.

I'm concluding that it's one of life's mysteries but will resolve to
take about twice as long to scan any new microfilm I transcribe.

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:56 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listings

Thanks, Maynard. From the appearance of Ayres' book of transcribed
abstracts, with his Additions & Corrections (catching her typos, mainly)

in the back of it, I sort of figure both of them must be longtime
Virginia researchers. Bradley's Note at the beginning of his May 16,
1971 Additions & Corrections reads: "These additions and corrections are

the result of a careful comparison by the author of the printed text and

a microfilm of the original order book, which is quite legible. A review

of the printed book by this author appears in the April, 1969 issue of
"The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography" on page 214. Only
instances of omission and incorrect reading of persons' names have been
included. Minor errors in transcription such as Gilley for Gilly, Roland

for Rowland and incorrect amounts of tobacco paid, etc. have been
ignored, as the printed text should only be used as a guide to the
original order book."


==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net



==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net		02/20/2006 4:05:30
RE: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listingsJLPAlas, I have found that many of the original record books in the court
houses no longer exist, and haven't for a very long time. What one
will often find in the courthouse is a transcription (or even a second
transcription of the first transcription) of the original - for those
very old records. In general I've found that the LDS films represent
about the oldest versions of records (sometimes the LDS people were
able to locate, and film, an older version, or transcription, than
what one will find in the actual court house version.

And just to add to the confusion on "versions," occasionally one will
find - if you dig hard enough - that the LDS was not the only one who
made film copies. The LVA, for example, has some films that did not
come from LDS copying. In such cases it's always a challenge to try
to figure out which is the oldest, or most near the original, version.

I think it's this transcription of a transcription, etc., phenomenon
that may be the source of some of the differences being discussed.

For what it's worth to this discussion...

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:06 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Additions to Charles City Co, VA Poythress listings


This is solely the opinion of an "older" genealogist. The only true
way to get information correct is to go, in person, to the Court House
and transcribe or copy, personally, the original record book. This
requires a solid background on knowledge of the original Virginia
immigrants'
names and their spelling. However, I am not sure that in today's
world, one would be given access to the original record books.
Fortunately, in many cases, years ago, I had the opportunity to do
just that regarding my Wynne family information. You all are doing a
great job! Deloris Wynne-Riley		02/20/2006 4:29:54
Hester Wilder Mock PoythressJohn M. PoythressBarbara...catching up on old mail. Here is a paste from my records on
Hester's children. The original ledger book was supposedly at one time
in the Georgia archives; at any rate they say they "think" it was there
and shamefacedly now say if it was there they have lost it. More likely
if it was there they sold it; believe or not an institution charged with
keeping records has periodic sales to the public of material they deem
appropriate to sell.

I'm inclined to give the information below some degree of credibility.
Two of the birth dates are confirmed to the extent the 1850 Screven
census can be believed and it is one of the more dependable ones. And
I have it from a Wilder researcher down there that other Wilder birth
dates from the "ledger book" check out also.

Hester, of course, being the wife of Meredith Poythress, Sr. Despite
the disparity in ages this one looks to fit. Batchelor Meredith, Sr. at
50+ looks to be an easy mark for young Hester, recently widowed and a
couple of illegitimates on her hands to boot..she needs support and
she's likely a pretty young thang to Meredith, Sr.

Just to pull a speculation out of the air because it looks so logical,
I'd take a guess that those children living with Hester in the
1850 census may be the orphans of George W. Poythress who simply leaves
no records of any kind that I have found (in Georgia at any rate). John
White Poythress (Bud's ancestor) is present and accounted for in all the
censuses, as is also Isaac Edmond Poythress who is killed in a
construction accident working on fortifications in the Savannah harbor
during the war (per widow's pension application and CSA payroll and
muster cards).

The paste:
Appears now a piece of serendipitous and contemporaneous evidence,
likely albeit not proved. In 1794 a Burke County record book with
remaining blank pages was sold to one Harry Wilder who then records
daily business transactions in it. Later, son Isaac Wilder inherits the
book and uses it for more varied purposes, one of which is to record the
births of various Wilder family members. Listed are the names and
birthdates of Hester Wilder Mock's children by Meredith Poythress, Sr.:

George Washington Poythress b. 13 Jan 1819
John White Poythress b. 13 Jan 1821
Henrietta Poythress b. 7 Dec 1823
Sarah Edwards Poythress b. 14 Nov 1826
Issac Edmond Poythress b. 28 May 1828 [d. 29
Jun 1862]


Maynard		03/01/2006 1:45:43
FW: Heritage Books eNews - 1 March 2006John M. PoythressSending this to the list as some of you may be interested in Craig
Scotts upcoming adventure

described below.



Craig is a sometime lurker of the Poythress wire. He is a descendant of
one Poythress and almost

married another.



Maynard



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Email list management powered by http://MailerMailer.com		03/01/2006 5:37:22
[Fwd: WALL AND POYNTHRESS]Albert TimsHowdy,

After reading some of the Wall info on your site, I did a search of my
extensive:) CD collected from the web, records. I keep everything on
CD:) I am a name-collector, but I am a good one! I have found over a
hundred family searchers:)
This is the info I found for wall.

Later,
dan bunch
tx
Source is;
Wright Electronic Genealogy Project
' P.O. Box 692446 '
' Houston, TX 77069-2446

VIRGINIA 1704 Rent Rolls
Wall Henry Prince George County, 1704
Wall Jno Prince George County, 1704
Wall Joseph Jun Surry County, 1704
Wall Joseph Surry County, 1704
Mallard Poynes James City County 1704
Bunch John Parish of St. Peters and St. Paul, 1704
Bunch Paul King William County
From Gibson Family Research Paper done by Stephen D. Gibson

"I believe this is the Gibson who married Chief Cornstalk (Logan)
daughter.
Chief Logan is the Indian who addressed the Continental Congress and
brought
the Assemblage to tears (about white man treatment of Chief
Cornstalk's
tribe).
John Gibson went west but later returned to and died in Carter
County,
Virginia.
Had no issue."
Father: Robert Gibson the Great b: 1710 in Cork County, Ireland
Mother: Isabella Fortune b: 1710
Marriage 1 Daughter of Chief Cornstack (Logan)Children
None
(Dan NOte: walls in this decendancy:)
2 Margaret "Maggie" BUFFALO PAINTED LODGE
+ Isadore SANDERVILLE
+ Aleck MARCEAU
3 Aleck MARCEAU b: ABT 1863
+ Lone Woman
+ Minnie GUARDIPEE
+ Theresa WALL b: ABT 1870		03/08/2006 3:04:47
Cleaton Bible with Preston mother: Poythress inlaw?Barbara P. NealThanks to Carol Morrison, I recently got 3 tif files showing the WPA
Historical Inventory record (from microfilm at the Library of Virginia)
of the Cleaton Bible, which I've transcribed below. What great resources
we all have access to today, thanks to the Virginia WPA Historical
Inventory Project that was sponsored by the Virginia Conservation
Commission under the direction of its Division of History, back in the
1930s.

Thomas Cleaton (born 1836) was the first owner of the Bible which was
copyrighted 40 yrs later. I don't know for sure whether his mother,
obviously listed many years after her birth, may have been the
sister-in-law of my James Edward Poythress, or not. "Nannie" versus
"Nellie."

You may recall that James Edward Poythress' wife, Catherine Preston, had
a sister who was listed on my family's copy of the Poythress-Preston
Bible record as "Nelly Preston" (born 17 Sep 1798 in Brunswick Co, VA)
and with married name of "Nellie Cleaton" below her birth entry. In the
marriage section the Bible shows: "Nelly Preston married John Cleaton
Oct., 1822" Copies of all three pages of the original of our family's
Poythress-Preston Bible record (and of my 1995 transcription of it) are
at The Library of Virginia, and are accessible online as Accession #34866.

If any of our List members (Lyn? Julie?) have further info on the
Cleaton families mentioned in these records, I would greatly appreciate
hearing from you.
Barbara

Following is the transcription by Barbara Poythress Neal (Bpn) of the
Family Bible of William Jackson Cleaton, done on 8 March 2006 from tif
files of the microfilm copies of the 3 pages of the WPA record. All
pages of the original WPA record were typed with two handprinted
additions on coversheet. Notations in square brackets are by Bpn:
= = =
[page 1 of 3: coversheet]
Works Progress Administration of Virginia
Historical Inventory
County: Dinwiddie
Class - [handprinted] Bibles [lined out is the typed entry "Family Bible"]
[handprinted:] Cleaton
Family Bible of William Jackson Cleaton
[stamped:] This write-up is a part of the Virginia W. P. A.
Historical Inventory Project sponsored by the Virginia Conservation
Commission under the direction of its Division of History. Credit to
both the Commission and W. P. A. is requested for publication, in whole
or in part. Unless otherwise stated, this information has not been
checked for accuracy by the sponsor.
Research made by:
Mamie Fraser
Dinwiddie, Virginia
Route #2.
April 21, 1937.
= = =
[page 2 of 3: first page of WPA report]
[typed page number:] 1.
1. Subject:
Family Bible of William Jackson Cleaton.
2. Location:
At the home of William Jackson Cleaton, .5 mile east of Dinwiddie,
Virginia, on Route #679, thence two hundred yards south on a private road.
3. Date:
1836, earliest inscription date.
4. Owners:
[1st] Thomas Cleaton from 1879 to 1905. [Bpn note: None of the W.P.A.
record entries divulge why "1879" was his beginning date of ownership;
the last-listed birthdate for his children is 1875, and the copyright
date is 1876]
[2nd] William Jackson Cleaton from 1905 to the present time. [Bpn
note: Thus he was owner to at least April 21, 1937, when the W. P. A.
record was made]
5. Description:
Bound in brown leather, approximate size ten by twelve inches,
Standard Edition of the Holy Bible containing the Old and the New
Testaments and the Apocryphal writings translated from Hebrew and Greek,
and carefully compared with the former translations. Published by
Bradley Garretson & Company, 66 North Fourth Street, Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania. Copyright date 1876.
This Bible has been well preserved and is in good condition.
6. Historical Significance:
Thomas Cleaton, son of John & Nannie Susan Preston Cleaton, was born
August 7, 1836.
Louisa R. Chambliss, wife of Thomas Cleaton, was born May 5, 1838.
The first birth was given [sic] to a son, James Buford, May 11, 1865.
Etta Lee Cleaton, daughter of Thomas Cleaton & Louisa R. Chambliss,
his wife, was born July 6, 1866.
Nellie Susan Cleaton, daughter of Thomas Cleaton & Louisa R.
Chambliss, his wife, was born February 31 [sic], 1868.
Addie Lavina Cleaton, daughter of Thomas Cleaton & Louisa R.
Chambliss, his wife, was born October 24, 1869.
William Jackson Cleaton, son of Thomas Cleaton & Louisa R.
Chambliss, his wife, was born May 11, 1871.
Thomas Robert Cleaton, son of Thomas Cleaton & Louisa R. Chambliss,
his wife, was born March 15, 1875.
= = =
[page 3 of 3: second page of WPA report]
[typed page number:] 2.
7. Art: [blank space]
8. Sources of information:
Family Bible of William Jackson Cleaton.		03/08/2006 4:01:38
Mecklenburg Co, VA Heritage Book updateBarbara P. NealI'm curious to hear from List members who else has contributed articles
about their Poythress heritage for the upcoming Mecklenburg County
Heritage Book? I did, and I know BPW did, but apparently they got more
Poythress articles than just ours. So I'd love to hear from you, to see
which lines will be represented in it.

Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)



03/13/2006 2:45:18
Accoona Search EngineJohn M. PoythressElaine, you're in the BIG TIME, gal. Your NC census data is No. 1 on
new (presumed) rival for Google, "Accoona."

Maynard		03/13/2006 3:53:38
Re: Mecklenburg Co, VA Heritage Book updateJulie CabittoI mentioned some Poythress people, only because I don't personally have much
info on them.

I wrote about James B. Jones family, mentioning Anna Ella Jones married to
William Lewis Poythress. And their son Foxhall Poythress.

I also wrote about William Archer Dortch married to Sarah Poythress and
their children.
Julie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:45 AM
Subject: Mecklenburg Co, VA Heritage Book update


> I'm curious to hear from List members who else has contributed articles
> about their Poythress heritage for the upcoming Mecklenburg County
> Heritage Book? I did, and I know BPW did, but apparently they got more
> Poythress articles than just ours. So I'd love to hear from you, to see
> which lines will be represented in it.
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara (BPN)
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>		03/13/2006 6:51:54
Mecklenburg book infoBarbara P. NealSeveral of you asked me today if I knew "when the Mecklenburg County,
Virginia Heritage Book will come out & what it will sell for?" so I
called today to ask Frances Clark, who's coordinating the book, putting
all the stories in order to send to the publisher.

It's targeted for delivery late this year. They extended the deadline
for submission of articles until April 20th because so many people are
now getting their cousins to also submit articles, to help extend the
info on their family line further. For example, she's had more than 20
articles submitted by members of the Morris family, which will do an
amazing job of pooling their family info.

So folks, *please* send in just a 500-word (or fewer) article on whoever
was your Poythress line's connection to Mecklenburg County -- It will
help to flush-out some other folks who know something about your
particular line & about the lines who married into your Poythress line.
(Thanks Julie for submitting your articles; they may well result in some
info to help on your line)

Articles must be typed, double-spaced, and *every* word counts toward
that 500-word limit, so you *can't* write a lot. That is shorter than
the first 8 paragraphs of this email!

In that few words, you can tell who "he" was; & tell when he lived & who
& where he married. Tell who his kids were; and when & where he &/or his
offspring moved when they left Mecklenburg. If you have space in the
500-word limit, tell who his kids married & in what states & counties
his offspring have ended up to date. Then if you still have space to do
so, tell who you think his parents were (or who you know they *weren't*
for that matter). That's it. Come on, Maynard, Sarah, Lyn, and
everyone -- you can do this.

At the end of your article, be sure to put your name & city & state, and
the number of words in the article. Then give a very brief statement of
your sources for the info, such as: "Sources - personal knowledge;
census records; tax records" You should also attach a list at the back
of your article of all the family members' names in your article, to be
sure they'll be indexed.

Submitting an article entitles you to have one free photo included (It
could be of someone who descended from "him"). The photo will be
promptly mailed back to you in the self-addressed stamped envelope you
should enclose with the photo (with your name & address on back of the
photo) and with the typed copy of your article.

Whether or not you submit an article, if you want to order a copy of the
book you should do it now while the pre-publication price is still in
effect; it *will* be higher after the books go to print. And they may
run out of extra copies they order (That happened this year to another
heritage book I submitted info to, re my mother's family line).

The Mecklenburg Heritage books are targeted for late-2006 delivery. The
pre-publication price is $62.00 (includes UPS shipping in the lower 48
states) & this price is good until they send the material to the
publisher, which will be soon after April 20th. To order, send her your
$62 check
PAYABLE to Mecklenburg County Heritage Book
MAIL your ck & your name & street address (no PO Boxes for UPS), to:
Mecklenburg County Heritage Book
c/o Southside Virginia Genealogical Society
984 Camp Road
South Hill, VA 23970		03/13/2006 7:00:27
Re: Accoona Search EngineHeck I am a star and didn't even know it. I will be so glad when I can get
back to work. I sure miss my genealogy but I keep up with all that the rest of
you are doing. If these doctors ever figure what is wrong with me everybody
better watch out because I will hit the Poythress Site like a Cyclone!!!!!

Take care,
Elaine

Elaine, you're in the BIG TIME, gal. Your NC census data is No. 1 on
new (presumed) rival for Google, "Accoona."

Maynard		03/13/2006 8:50:31
FW: interesting linkJohn M. PoythressA friend sent me the link below. It's a dandy for searching
a ton of archival stuff on just about anything, genealogy included.

Maynard

ArchiveGrid http://www.archivegrid.org

It's a database of archived records of all sorts, and it's free until
31/5/06.		03/16/2006 4:59:16
Undated old family photosBarbara P. NealIn Robert Davis' genealogy newsletter of 3/15/2006 he copied the below
info from Family Chronicle that some of you may find of interest.
= = =
FROM FAMILY CHRONICLE

They are the bane of genealogists and family historians everywhere:
undated old photographs of family members.

If the date of a photograph were known you could work out if a
photograph was of Great-Aunt Hetty or her mother, Great-Grandmother Mackay.

Our books, Dating Old Photographs and More Dating Old Photographs have
assisted thousands of people with dating their old photographs of
unknown date. The books, by showing examples of dated photographs, allow
readers to compare undated images in their collections to the ones
featured in the books.

Now, we are now appealing for people to submit their undated old
photographs so that we can date them, usually to within three years,
plus or minus.

We endeavor to date at least 500 submissions and are planning to publish
those photographs that we find interesting in the July/August 2006 issue
of Family Chronicle. We will include explanations on why we arrived at
the date we did as we believe our readers will be interested in learning
how we arrived at our conclusions.

The fine print: There is a limit of three undated photographs per
submitter. In order to be considered for the July/August 2006 feature in
Family Chronicle on dating the old photographs, please send the
photograph no later that 30 April 2006. We are not responsible for any
lost or missing images sent by e-mail or by regular mail. Unfortunately
some photographs are undateable, such as ones featuring national
costumes, so we are unable to guarantee results.

By E-mail (Strongly preferred):
- Images should be scanned at a resolution no less than 200 dpi and sent
as a JPEG in an attached file (this is a compressed format that most
graphics programs allow you to save in).
- Each undated photograph must be sent in a separate e-mail
(undated@moorshead.com) .
- Please give your attached files unique names.
- Photograph descriptions should be limited to 30 words and be included
in the e-mail itself.
- Please include your contact information including name and address in
the e-mail so we may contact you if we have any questions.

By Mail (Please do not send originals as we cannot return them):
- Copies may be made photographically or on a photocopier, however, we
prefer color photocopies as the color copies are easier to examine and
more detailed than black and white copies.
- On any spare white space adjacent to the image or on the reverse,
please include your name, address and e-mail address, and any photograph
information, limited to 30 words.
- Please mail to our Canadian address: Family Chronicle, Undated Old
Photographs, 500-505 Consumers Road, Toronto ON M2J 4V8.

Please see: https://familychronicle.com/undated.html		03/17/2006 4:31:37
John P. PoythressJohn M. Poythress26 pages of the CSA pension and related papers for John P. Poythress,
Gadsden County, FL can be found at:

http://www.floridamemory.com/Collections/PensionFiles/

The application # which you may need to access the records is A03182

These are PDF files and may be easily downloaded but if anyone has a
problem with it I can
email you with all 26 pages as attachments.

Maynard		03/20/2006 6:27:01
Free Database AccessJohn M. PoythressFor the next several days access to the database of the New England
Historical & Genealogical Register is free.

The URL is:
www.newenglandancestors.org/research/Database/register/reg_info.asp

I have checked it for Poythresses. I was not optimistic to begin with
and that turned out
to be a reasonable expectation. There are two links, both to Sally
Poythress, first as
widow to Col. Richard Lee and second m. to Willoughby Newton, both facts
being well known to us.

However, this is advertised as a massive data base and you may want to
submit some of your other names to this search engine. Good luck.

Maynard




03/20/2006 6:35:34
Robert Davis' Genealogy NewsletterBarbara P. NealMaynard & all, just send an email to Bob (Robert Scott Davis) & tell him
you'd like to be added to his list for his Genealogy News From Wallace
State newsletter. You can reach him at:
robert.davis@wallacestate.edu

Some of y'all may have heard him speak at genealogy conferences & may
have seen his books, including his "Researcher's Library of Georgia
History" and "Georgia Black Book" & he was co-author with Silas Emmett
Lucas on "The Families of Burke Co, GA, 1755-1855: A Census."

My recollection is fuzzy, but I think he is the head the Genealogy Dept
at the Wallace State Community College's library (or perhaps head of the
entire library?). The college is in Hanceville, Alabama, north of
Birmingham. From their website: ...six story building ... The Family and
Regional History program is located on the fifth and sixth floors of the
library building. It includes an extensive and growing research
collection. The Wallace State College Library was the first non-Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints library allowed to borrow directly
from the holdings of the Genealogical Society of Utah, Including some
three million records and books from around the world. Equipment and
assistance are available for the copying of old family photos. Local
records of interest are also microfilmed by the college. The Wallace
State Library is the place to visit for research in Alabama or the
Southeast. Genealogy can be reached by dialing 256-352-8263.

John M. Poythress wrote:
> Barbara.....re Robert Davis' Genealogy Newsletter...would you give us
> the address for this one, it's obviously not the
> Address for the photos. Thanks,
> Maynard		03/21/2006 3:08:30
America's Genealogy BankJohn M. PoythressFrom Dick Eastman's genealogy newsletter:



March 19, 2006
America's GenealogyBank


I have just learned that a major new online service for genealogists
will be announced formally later this week. I managed to get an advance
copy of the announcement and then discussed it with the manager in
charge of this new genealogy database. I thought I would give newsletter
readers advance notice of this new service.
The new online database will contain images of millions of documents of
genealogical interest. Ninety-nine percent of these documents have never
been available before in electronic format, and perhaps 50% of the
documents have not even been available on microfilm. Many have never
been available in any format other than the original paper documents, if
you could find them. Now these millions of documents will be available
to everyone in a new online database that will contain the equivalent of
100,000 books, fully indexed and searchable by every word. You will be
able to see images of the original documents on your computer screen.
Picture this: you enter a genealogy library containing 100,000 books,
and you can search all the books simultaneously, finding any word or
phrase in any book within seconds. You can then retrieve all the listed
books and view them on a computer screen within a few more seconds. Best
of all, that computer screen is in your home. You do not need to leave
home to access this vast resource. The "genealogy library" with 100,000
books is in your living room.
The new database will contain many thousands of genealogy books,
obituaries, biographies, military records, marriage notices, local
histories, and more. All this data is indexed and searchable by every
word. You can search all the documents from one search page and locate
all documents of interest within seconds. I have not yet seen the user
interface, but I have been assured that it is fast, accurate and very
intuitive.
NewsBank is a company that is well-known to historians and librarians
but not as well known within the genealogy community. For several years,
NewsBank has provided subscribing libraries with online databases
containing the following:
* Early American Newspaper Collection (scanned images of old
American newspapers)
* America's Obituaries
* U.S. & World Newspaper Collections
* American State Papers
* Early American Imprints (1639-1819)
* The U.S. Congressional Serial Set
NewsBank has been one of the best-kept secrets within genealogy. While
librarians and historians usually are aware of the company's services,
the company has never received much publicity amongst genealogists. A
few knowledgeable genealogists have known about the great resources
provided by NewsBank. A number of genealogy libraries already provide
access to NewsBank's present services to members and library patrons. In
most cases, you have to visit a subscribing library in person to access
the NewsBank databases. A very few genealogy libraries offer in-home
access to NewsBank.
The new "America's GenealogyBank" service from NewsBank will add
millions of new documents to the available services and then will make
these documents available to a much wider audience than ever before.
The new service will include the following collections:
Books, Pamphlets and Broadsides, 1639-1922
Thousands of genealogy books plus biographies, funeral sermons, local
histories, city directories and similar works published in America
before 1923
Newspapers, 1690-1922
More than 1,000 American newspapers, including titles from all 50 states
Government Publications, 1789-1980
The entire American State Papers and selections from the U.S.
Congressional Serial Set, such as service records, casualty lists,
widow's requests, pension claims, and more
Archive of Americana
Published by Readex, a division of NewsBank, Inc.
This family of historical collections includes books, pamphlets,
broadsides, newspapers, government documents, and ephemera printed in
America.
Early American Newspapers, Series I: 1690-1876
Hundreds of historic newspapers listed in Clarence Brigham's
authoritative bibliography and in additional subsequent bibliographies.
The new database will contain images of the original newspapers, not
simply bibliographic citations.
Early American Imprints, Series I: Evans, 1639-1800
Books, pamphlets, broadsides, and other imprints listed in the renowned
bibliography by Charles Evans. Again, the new database will contain
images of the original newspapers, not simply bibliographic citations.
Early American Imprints, Series II: Shaw-Shoemaker, 1801-1819
Books, pamphlets, broadsides, and other imprints listed in the
distinguished bibliography by Ralph R. Shaw and Richard H. Shoemaker.
Again, the new database will contain images of the original newspapers,
not simply bibliographic citations.
American Broadsides and Ephemera, Series I
Broadsides printed between 1820 and 1900 and ephemera printed between
1760 and 1900
American State Papers, 1789-1838
Legislative and executive documents, many originating from the important
period between 1789 and the beginning of the U.S. Congressional Serial
Set in 1817
U.S. Congressional Serial Set, 1817-1980
Reports, documents, and journals of the U.S. Senate and House of
Representatives, originally published in approximately 13,800 bound
volumes
I'll repeat this one more time as it is important: the new database will
contain scanned images of all of these documents, completely indexed and
searchable by every word! You will be able to view images of the
original documents on your own computer screen.
These documents range in size from many thousands of one-page printed
items (funeral cards, announcements, etc.) up to the 13,800-volume U.S.
Congressional Serial Set. Most of the smaller items have never been
microfilmed or scanned until now. In tens of thousands of cases, the
only method to obtain the information in the past was to personally
visit a repository where each document was stored and to look at the
originals. The new America's GenealogyBank will revolutionize that
access.
Another big piece of this week's upcoming announcement will concern the
availability of these databases. In the past, NewsBank always has
offered its services only to libraries, not to individuals. If you want
to access the big databases today, you need to visit a library that
subscribes to NewsBank's services. There may or may not be such a
library near you. A few libraries do offer remote, in-home access to
library patrons.
The new "America's GenealogyBank" will change that business practice.
For the first time, NewsBank will be offering its services to the
general public. Private individuals will now be able to purchase their
own subscriptions to America's GenealogyBank and access it from home or
from any other Internet-connected computer, or even while traveling down
the road if using a wireless Internet connection. Pricing has not yet
been announced, but company officials have said that the cost of an
individual subscription will be "competitive." NewsBank expects to
attract thousands of individual subscribers as well as libraries,
historical societies, and genealogical societies.
"America's GenealogyBank" will be officially announced later this week
at the PLA Conference in Boston. I was able to obtain an advance copy of
the announcement for this article.
While the new service will be announced this week, it will not be
available to subscribers until the fourth quarter of this year, possibly
very late in the fourth quarter. When that happens, I hope to write a
"hands on" report. I believe this will be a very exciting new service
for genealogists, historians, social scientists, and others.
In the meantime, keep an eye on http://www.newsbank.com. As I write
these words, the site does not yet have any mention of America's
GenealogyBank. I expect the official announcement will appear on the
site later this week.		03/21/2006 7:14:32
Re: Undated old family photosThanks Barbara,
I sent for the free trial to see if I like it.
Judy
>
> From: "Barbara P. Neal"
> Date: 2006/03/17 Fri PM 01:31:37 EST
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Undated old family photos
>
> In Robert Davis' genealogy newsletter of 3/15/2006 he copied the below
> info from Family Chronicle that some of you may find of interest.
> = = =
> FROM FAMILY CHRONICLE
>
> They are the bane of genealogists and family historians everywhere:
> undated old photographs of family members.
>
> If the date of a photograph were known you could work out if a
> photograph was of Great-Aunt Hetty or her mother, Great-Grandmother Mackay.
>
> Our books, Dating Old Photographs and More Dating Old Photographs have
> assisted thousands of people with dating their old photographs of
> unknown date. The books, by showing examples of dated photographs, allow
> readers to compare undated images in their collections to the ones
> featured in the books.
>
> Now, we are now appealing for people to submit their undated old
> photographs so that we can date them, usually to within three years,
> plus or minus.
>
> We endeavor to date at least 500 submissions and are planning to publish
> those photographs that we find interesting in the July/August 2006 issue
> of Family Chronicle. We will include explanations on why we arrived at
> the date we did as we believe our readers will be interested in learning
> how we arrived at our conclusions.
>
> The fine print: There is a limit of three undated photographs per
> submitter. In order to be considered for the July/August 2006 feature in
> Family Chronicle on dating the old photographs, please send the
> photograph no later that 30 April 2006. We are not responsible for any
> lost or missing images sent by e-mail or by regular mail. Unfortunately
> some photographs are undateable, such as ones featuring national
> costumes, so we are unable to guarantee results.
>
> By E-mail (Strongly preferred):
> - Images should be scanned at a resolution no less than 200 dpi and sent
> as a JPEG in an attached file (this is a compressed format that most
> graphics programs allow you to save in).
> - Each undated photograph must be sent in a separate e-mail
> (undated@moorshead.com) .
> - Please give your attached files unique names.
> - Photograph descriptions should be limited to 30 words and be included
> in the e-mail itself.
> - Please include your contact information including name and address in
> the e-mail so we may contact you if we have any questions.
>
> By Mail (Please do not send originals as we cannot return them):
> - Copies may be made photographically or on a photocopier, however, we
> prefer color photocopies as the color copies are easier to examine and
> more detailed than black and white copies.
> - On any spare white space adjacent to the image or on the reverse,
> please include your name, address and e-mail address, and any photograph
> information, limited to 30 words.
> - Please mail to our Canadian address: Family Chronicle, Undated Old
> Photographs, 500-505 Consumers Road, Toronto ON M2J 4V8.
>
> Please see: https://familychronicle.com/undated.html
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>		03/21/2006 7:44:27
RE: Undated old family photosJohn M. PoythressBarbara.....re Robert Davis' Genealogy Newsletter...would you give us
the address for this one, it's obviously not the
Address for the photos. Thanks,

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: scruggsjudy@bellsouth.net [mailto:scruggsjudy@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:44 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Undated old family photos

Thanks Barbara,
I sent for the free trial to see if I like it.
Judy
>
> From: "Barbara P. Neal"
> Date: 2006/03/17 Fri PM 01:31:37 EST
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Undated old family photos
>
> In Robert Davis' genealogy newsletter of 3/15/2006 he copied the below

> info from Family Chronicle that some of you may find of interest.
> = = =
> FROM FAMILY CHRONICLE
>
> They are the bane of genealogists and family historians everywhere:
> undated old photographs of family members.
>
> If the date of a photograph were known you could work out if a
> photograph was of Great-Aunt Hetty or her mother, Great-Grandmother
Mackay.
>
> Our books, Dating Old Photographs and More Dating Old Photographs have
> assisted thousands of people with dating their old photographs of
> unknown date. The books, by showing examples of dated photographs,
allow
> readers to compare undated images in their collections to the ones
> featured in the books.
>
> Now, we are now appealing for people to submit their undated old
> photographs so that we can date them, usually to within three years,
> plus or minus.
>
> We endeavor to date at least 500 submissions and are planning to
publish
> those photographs that we find interesting in the July/August 2006
issue
> of Family Chronicle. We will include explanations on why we arrived at
> the date we did as we believe our readers will be interested in
learning
> how we arrived at our conclusions.
>
> The fine print: There is a limit of three undated photographs per
> submitter. In order to be considered for the July/August 2006 feature
in
> Family Chronicle on dating the old photographs, please send the
> photograph no later that 30 April 2006. We are not responsible for any
> lost or missing images sent by e-mail or by regular mail.
Unfortunately
> some photographs are undateable, such as ones featuring national
> costumes, so we are unable to guarantee results.
>
> By E-mail (Strongly preferred):
> - Images should be scanned at a resolution no less than 200 dpi and
sent
> as a JPEG in an attached file (this is a compressed format that most
> graphics programs allow you to save in).
> - Each undated photograph must be sent in a separate e-mail
> (undated@moorshead.com) .
> - Please give your attached files unique names.
> - Photograph descriptions should be limited to 30 words and be
included
> in the e-mail itself.
> - Please include your contact information including name and address
in
> the e-mail so we may contact you if we have any questions.
>
> By Mail (Please do not send originals as we cannot return them):
> - Copies may be made photographically or on a photocopier, however, we
> prefer color photocopies as the color copies are easier to examine and
> more detailed than black and white copies.
> - On any spare white space adjacent to the image or on the reverse,
> please include your name, address and e-mail address, and any
photograph
> information, limited to 30 words.
> - Please mail to our Canadian address: Family Chronicle, Undated Old
> Photographs, 500-505 Consumers Road, Toronto ON M2J 4V8.
>
> Please see: https://familychronicle.com/undated.html
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>


==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Visit www.poythress.net










o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/		03/21/2006 8:26:01
Re: America's Genealogy BankBarbara P. NealThanks Maynard; we'll look forward to hearing more when it is up &
available later this yr. (It would have been interesting if Eastman had
mentioned what cost libraries are paying for the current NewsBank
connection.)



03/22/2006 7:04:11
DNA upgrade test announcementBarbara P. NealFamily Tree DNA (www.familytreedna.com) is the company conducting the
tests for our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Group Study.

Today I got the company's announcement to the Group Administrators that
they have launched the highest resolution Y-DNA test available anywhere
in the market: the 59-marker Y-DNA test. For information about the
impact of this test for matching purposes, anyone can refer to the
following page:
http://www.ftdna.com/faq2.html

What that page shows (with a chart & a graph) is that if men match on 59
of 59 markers, the odds are 95% that their Most Recent Common Ancestor
was within 5 generations -- in other words that both men are
3g-grandsons of the same ancestor.

Their announcement also included the news that the cost of the various
upgrade-tests has been lowered due to more people having the tests done.
(You may recall that Family Tree DNA is the company doing the huge
worldwide study with National Geographic.)

I'd like to encourage all our Poythress/Poytress-Surnamed Y-DNA Group
Study participants to consider upgrading from their current test to the
59-marker test.

Any participant wanting a refresher in using his kit number and his code
at the company website should contact me off list, at bp_neal@earthlink.net

Barbara Poythress Neal, Volunteer Group Administrator
Poythress/Poytress-Surnamed Y-DNA Group Study		03/22/2006 11:42:06
DNA Study update 4/9/06Barbara P. NealDear Poythress-List & DNA Study participants,

This is a report from your volunteer Group Administrator, Barbara
Poythress Neal, regarding our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study. We
currently have 13 participants in the Study. I really appreciate the
participation of each person in the Study.

It took longer than expected for the recent batch of 37-marker
tests to yield results, but we finally have them. Thus we now have
*some* results on all 13 of our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Group Y-DNA
participants.

To help understand those results, the company doing our tests, Family
Tree DNA, furnishes information to help us non-scientists. The company
calculates the odds (or the probability) of participants sharing a Most
Recent Common Ancestor within various numbers of generations.

One of our newest participants, Lee, is from the line of "Jack" Fredrick
Elmo D'Auther Poythress, who we think is descended from James R.
Portis/Poythress & Sarah Crowder. I know that researchers in that family
line have previously indicated on our Poythress-List that they thought
some ancestor(s) in their line might have been, at least in part,
American Indian. Thus it may not surprise folks in that line that Lee's
37-markers' results show that in his paternal line (father's father's
father's etc line) there is indeed Native American Indian ancestry. He
is in "Haplo Group A," an American Indian Haplo group. His Genetic
Distance Report indicates a 0.00% probability that he shares an
ancestor-in-common within the last 24 generations, with any of our other
12 participants.

All 12 of our other participants are in "Haplo Group R1b," indicating
their paternal line's origin is in the British Isles.

Our other most recent participant, from England, indeed knows his
ancestry was in Britain. He is a 9g-grandson of John Poythres, who owned
Ploddy House in Gloucestershire, England. Thus our English participant
is 11 generations removed from John of Ploddy House. In the early
1600's, John had 2 sons christened in Newent, Gloucestershire:
1. Francis, christened in 1609, who came to America by 1632 -- about
375 years ago., and
2. Christopher, christened in 1616, who stayed in England.

Thus the closest potential ancestor-in-common between our English
participant and our American participants, was born more than 400
years ago. Since we know our English participant is 11 generations
removed from John of Ploddy House, I've copied below the odds of sharing
an ancestor within 11 generations for the eight other participants who
have already gotten results on the 37-marker test:

Odds are quite high that our English participant shares with Dale,
David, & Karl (87.58%) an ancestor-in-common within those 11 generations.

Odds are also good with Gene & Maynard (69.93%) and with Vern
(65.47%), and the odds are 31.78% with Neil, and 0.00% with Lee.

The newly available 59-marker test will more closely refine the number
of generations (within *fewer* generations than ever before available),
of how close the ancestor-in-common was. This will particularly help
regarding our American participants, whose ancestor-in-common would
logically be within a smaller number of generations if our theory is
correct that most American Poythress folks descending from Francis.

Within the past week this newly-available 59-marker test has been
ordered for the majority of our participants (including our English
participant). Thus when those results are available (probably in late
May), we'll have more information about our American participants, and
can see how closely their results match those of our English participant.

From Family Tree DNA website's info about this new test, we learn that
we'll be able to much more closely refine our participants' most
recent ancestor-in-common (http://www.ftdna.com/faq2.html). For example,
if men match on 59 of 59 markers, the odds are 95% that their most
recent ancestor-in-common was within just 5 generations -- in other
words that both men are 3g-grandsons of the same ancestor.

Thanks again to each of you who are participating in our Y-DNA Study. We
would welcome other men who are surnamed Poythress or Poytress (or
similar spellings) to participate in the study. The website of the
company where our Study is registered is www.familytreedna.com This
reliable firm is the same one doing the worldwide genographic study with
the National Geographic Society. Much information is available at their
site regarding DNA and DNA testing.

Cheers,
Barbara Poythress Neal		04/09/2006 10:23:39
Cornell U Making of AmericaBarbara P. NealThanks to Maynard for finding Cornell University's online "Making of
America" site:
http://library8.library.cornell.edu/moa/

At the bottom of that main page, one can click on "Search" and type in
our surname. One gets, as Maynard found, one article in one 1897 journal
that contains the name Poythress: a book excerpt called "A Hunt-Supper
In Old Virginia." The book is set in the days just before America's war
for independence began, and there is no indication whether the book is
just historical fiction, or whether it might be based on some family
diaries, etc. The book is identified as "A Son of the Old Dominion" by
Mrs. Burton Harrison; published (apparently in about 1897, since it is
in the journal's "Reading from New Books" column) by Lamson, Wolfe &
Company, Publishers, then priced at $1.50. Near the end of the article,
in two consecutive paragraphs, we learn that the host of the dinner
party is a Colonel Poythress who is referred to as "Hugh Poythress" by
his wife.

Cornell's bibliographic citation for the article, and notes about how to
get the plain text of it, are shown below. Once you are viewing it as
"text" you can save each page as a plain text file - with the
file-extension of TXT - just give it a unique name, such as Poy-p485, to
distinguish it from the next page, p486, that you save. As Cornell's
caution (copied below) mentions, the text needs a slight amount of
editing in a couple of places where the Optical Character Reading
mis-read the original blurred letter of a word. The article can also be
viewed (& saved) as a PDF file, using Adobe's free PaperPort Viewer.
Hope this helps.

The website's Terms of Use are shown at the bottom here.
Barbara
= = =
Search: "poythress"
* The Living age ... / Volume 214, Issue 2771: pp. 409-496
- p. 485 1 match of 'poythress'
- p. 486 5 matches of 'poythress'
- p. 487 3 matches of 'poythress'
in:
Title: The Living age ... / Volume 214, Issue 2771
Publisher: The Living age co. inc. etc.
Publication Date: August 14, 1897
City: New York etc.
Pages: 914 page images in vol.

A note on viewing the plain text of this volume:
A Note and Some Instructions on Viewing the Plain Text of the Making
of America volumes
Searching in the Making of America is made possible by using Optical
Character Recognition software to create text files that "sit behind"
the page images. OCR accuracy is high but varies from page-to-page
depending on a number of variables. Many of the original book and
journal pages have become brittle, faded, and foxed, while others have
been written on or otherwise marred. Any of these factors can cause the
program to mistake one letter for another. Ornamental text,
illustrations and tables also cause problems for the OCR program, since
it tries to make words out of the lines and dots in the illustration.
Errors during scanning production, such as skew, also cause errors in
OCR accuracy. The plain text is not corrected or proofread (this would
be very expensive and time consuming).
Many users have asked if they can have access to this plain text,
even in its uncorrected form. We believe that in most cases people will
still want to look at the page images of the books and journals, but we
have decided to make the text available to users so that they can save
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or word processor to locate a word on a page. We think that this will be
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If you want to view the plain text, there are a couple of ways to
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Page by page viewing: Go to the desired page and choose "view as
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that gives you the option of saving the file. By default, the file will
be saved as HTML, which can be viewed with a web browser (text will not
be broken up by line or page -- it is one large block of text). You can
also change the file extension to .txt to save as text for viewing with
a text editor or word processor (this preserves line and page breaks).
Please be aware that some of these texts are as long as 1,000 pages
and will take a long time to download, particularly over a modem. Such a
large download may also crash your Web browser.

Terms of Use:
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Copyright Act.		04/11/2006 6:03:29
DNA of a Porteous compared to Poythress/PoytressBarbara P. NealHi All,
Below is a copy of an exchange regarding DNA with Doug Porteous


I'll copy his initial email from yesterday first, with my response to
him below, and then his response today saying it was fine to send each
of you a copy of this. Interesting. By the way, to anyone wanting to
check out Doug's website, be sure that all the letters of it are pasted
into your browser, as some of the final word may wrap around to another
line in this email.

And, by the way Doug, I forgot to mention to you earlier: if you do set
up a Surname Study, you & your fellow participants will have a cheaper
cost per test for each type of test ordered (versus the cost of ordering
them when not a participant in a Surname Study).
Happy Easter,
Barbara Poythress Neal
= = = =

4/13/2006 Doug Porteous wrote:
Hello Barbara,
There have been a few emails and forum messages exchanged recently
regarding the possibility that Poythress may be a variation on Porteous,
and vice versa.

Although I'm only one individual and it's quite likely that people with
the Port*s (where * = any vowel) surname may have widely varying
origins, I should let you know that my results indicate membership in
the "I" haplogroup. See
http://
www.novateq.ca/personal/index.php?page=Porteous_Genealogy_in_a_Nutshell

I'm awaiting the results of a Y-DNA upgrade test (from 12 to 37 markers
from FTDNA). Note: I offered to run a Porteous/Porteus/Portas/etc. DNA
study but there hasn't been a lot of interest yet from the "Porteous
Associates". I'm thinking I should just plunge ahead and arrange for a
study. 🙂

I'd be curious as to what you have learned from your Poythress study.
All the best,
Doug Porteous
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
= = = =

Subject: DNA compared for Poythress/Poytress & Porteous
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:35:33 -0600
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To: Doug Porteous

Hi Doug & thanks so much for writing me.

I'm interested to hear from a Porteous! I've been one of the Poythress
folks long trying to keep an open mind re whether some of the alternate
spellings (Portriss, Portis, etc) might have descended from the same
folk we did. In general almost all of our ancestors had an "r" after the
"t" or the "th" by the way.

I went to your website, and was interested to see that your Porteous
progenitor came to Canada from further north in the British Isles than
did Captain Francis Poythress. I was also quite interested to see what
marker-readings make up your Haplogroup I. Quite different from the
marker-readings that make up our Haplogroup R1b, which most of our
Poythress/Poytress participants are in.

Haplogroup R1b is from the British Isles, which is consistent with
Captain Francis Poythress having come to Virginia by 1632 as a factor
for a London merchant; Francis was christened in Newent,
Gloucestershire; and consistent with Francis' brother Christopher who
stayed in Gloucestershire.

And your Haplogroup I is also quite different from Haplogroup A, in
which we have one participant. That is one of the haplogroups that show
American Indian ancestry.

On our 12-marker tests, done by FamilyTreeDNA, so that you can compare
to your 12-marker test on which you've already gotten results, our
readings come back as shown below.

For our 12 participants who are in Haplogroup R1b, & our 1 participant
in Haplogroup A, versus your results in Haplogroup I (Note: I'm
abbreviating "Haplogroup" as "Hgrp" below):

393 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 13 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I
390 = 24 in Hgrp R1b; 23 in Hgrp A; 24 in your Hgrp I
19 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 14 in Hgrp A; 16 in your Hgrp I
391 = 11 in Hgrp R1b; 11 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I
385a = 11 in Hgrp R1b; 16 in Hgrp A; 12 in your Hgrp I
385b = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 17 in Hgrp A; 15 in your Hgrp I
426 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 12 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I
388 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 10 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I
439 = 13 [1 of our R1b participants had 12]; 12 in Hgrp A; 11 in Hgrp I
389-1 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 13 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I
392 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 11 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I
389-2 = 30 in Hgrp R1b; 31 in Hgrp A; 18 in your Hgrp I

Doug, you are welcome to copy this message to your Porteous folks, and I
would like to get your permission to forward a copy of this message to
our Poythress-List of subscribers & to our Poythress/Poytress-Surname
Y-DNA Study participants.
Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net

= = = =
4/14/06 Hi Barbara,

I'm only one representative of what I think is a very large and quite
likely diverse group, so it is still possible that there are some
"Porteii" with potential Poyt*ress connections.

One person a few of us have been very interested in is Edward Porteus,
grandfather of Beilby Porteous, a former Bishop of London. Edward lived
in an area on the York River in Virginia called "Violet Banks" some time
in the 1600s (I don't have the information handy at the moment). There
also seems to be a bit of Poythress/Porteous overlap in South Carolina
but I'll need to locate my notes from a vacation we took there a couple
of years ago.

I did a study of early IGI entries for Porteous and found a number in
the Kent and London area far back in time:
http://www.novateq.ca/personal/index.php?page=British_Origins

(Coincidentally, Newent comes up in my mother's side of the family...)

Please feel free to copy my message to your list.
Regards,
--Doug		04/14/2006 3:14:25
Re DNA from femalesBarbara P. NealHi Steve & all,
Yeah, the only DNA that can be checked in the female lines is
mitochondrial-DNA, since we females don't get any of the Y-DNA to check.

Those folks looking at that mito-DNA can trace back thru the mother's
mother's mother etc DNA. So, for example, if I checked my mito-DNA, I
would be looking not to my dad's Poythress line at all, but instead back
to what is now the Czech Republic thru my mom, my maternal grandmother,
her mother, etc.
Barbara

4/16/06 stevew602 wrote:
> Barbara,
>
> Pardon a naive question. Does Y-DNA only work with strictly female
lineage? As you probably remember, we Walls (me dad and I) believe
ourselves to descend from a John Wall-Anne Poythress union but (like
Lou Poole's site shows and Batte's chart hints) it's only an educated
guess. I suppose we couldn't use Y-DNA if the Poythress link is
through Anne but the Wall link is through John, right? Steve		04/16/2006 3:33:37
Re: DNA of a Porteous compared to Poythress/Poytressstevew602Barbara,

Pardon a naive question. Does Y-DNA only work with strictly female lineage? As you probably remember, we Walls (me dad and I) believe ourselves to descend from a John Wall-Anne Poythress union but (like Lou Poole's site shows and Batte's chart hints) it's only an educated guess. I suppose we couldn't use Y-DNA if the Poythress link is through Anne but the Wall link is through John, right?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Barbara P. Neal"
>Sent: Apr 14, 2006 8:14 PM
>To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: DNA of a Porteous compared to Poythress/Poytress
>
>Hi All,
>Below is a copy of an exchange regarding DNA with Doug Porteous
>
>
>I'll copy his initial email from yesterday first, with my response to
>him below, and then his response today saying it was fine to send each
>of you a copy of this. Interesting. By the way, to anyone wanting to
>check out Doug's website, be sure that all the letters of it are pasted
>into your browser, as some of the final word may wrap around to another
>line in this email.
>
>And, by the way Doug, I forgot to mention to you earlier: if you do set
>up a Surname Study, you & your fellow participants will have a cheaper
>cost per test for each type of test ordered (versus the cost of ordering
>them when not a participant in a Surname Study).
>Happy Easter,
>Barbara Poythress Neal
>= = = =
>
>4/13/2006 Doug Porteous wrote:
>Hello Barbara,
>There have been a few emails and forum messages exchanged recently
>regarding the possibility that Poythress may be a variation on Porteous,
>and vice versa.
>
>Although I'm only one individual and it's quite likely that people with
>the Port*s (where * = any vowel) surname may have widely varying
>origins, I should let you know that my results indicate membership in
>the "I" haplogroup. See
>http://
>www.novateq.ca/personal/index.php?page=Porteous_Genealogy_in_a_Nutshell
>
>I'm awaiting the results of a Y-DNA upgrade test (from 12 to 37 markers
>from FTDNA). Note: I offered to run a Porteous/Porteus/Portas/etc. DNA
>study but there hasn't been a lot of interest yet from the "Porteous
>Associates". I'm thinking I should just plunge ahead and arrange for a
>study. 🙂
>
>I'd be curious as to what you have learned from your Poythress study.
>All the best,
>Doug Porteous
>Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>= = = =
>
>Subject: DNA compared for Poythress/Poytress & Porteous
>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:35:33 -0600
>From: "Barbara P. Neal"
>To: Doug Porteous
>
>Hi Doug & thanks so much for writing me.
>
>I'm interested to hear from a Porteous! I've been one of the Poythress
>folks long trying to keep an open mind re whether some of the alternate
>spellings (Portriss, Portis, etc) might have descended from the same
>folk we did. In general almost all of our ancestors had an "r" after the
>"t" or the "th" by the way.
>
>I went to your website, and was interested to see that your Porteous
>progenitor came to Canada from further north in the British Isles than
>did Captain Francis Poythress. I was also quite interested to see what
>marker-readings make up your Haplogroup I. Quite different from the
>marker-readings that make up our Haplogroup R1b, which most of our
>Poythress/Poytress participants are in.
>
>Haplogroup R1b is from the British Isles, which is consistent with
>Captain Francis Poythress having come to Virginia by 1632 as a factor
>for a London merchant; Francis was christened in Newent,
>Gloucestershire; and consistent with Francis' brother Christopher who
>stayed in Gloucestershire.
>
>And your Haplogroup I is also quite different from Haplogroup A, in
>which we have one participant. That is one of the haplogroups that show
>American Indian ancestry.
>
>On our 12-marker tests, done by FamilyTreeDNA, so that you can compare
>to your 12-marker test on which you've already gotten results, our
>readings come back as shown below.
>
>For our 12 participants who are in Haplogroup R1b, & our 1 participant
>in Haplogroup A, versus your results in Haplogroup I (Note: I'm
>abbreviating "Haplogroup" as "Hgrp" below):
>
>393 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 13 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I
>390 = 24 in Hgrp R1b; 23 in Hgrp A; 24 in your Hgrp I
>19 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 14 in Hgrp A; 16 in your Hgrp I
>391 = 11 in Hgrp R1b; 11 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I
>385a = 11 in Hgrp R1b; 16 in Hgrp A; 12 in your Hgrp I
>385b = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 17 in Hgrp A; 15 in your Hgrp I
>426 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 12 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I
>388 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 10 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I
>439 = 13 [1 of our R1b participants had 12]; 12 in Hgrp A; 11 in Hgrp I
>389-1 = 14 in Hgrp R1b; 13 in Hgrp A; 13 in your Hgrp I
>392 = 12 in Hgrp R1b; 11 in Hgrp A; 11 in your Hgrp I
>389-2 = 30 in Hgrp R1b; 31 in Hgrp A; 18 in your Hgrp I
>
>Doug, you are welcome to copy this message to your Porteous folks, and I
>would like to get your permission to forward a copy of this message to
>our Poythress-List of subscribers & to our Poythress/Poytress-Surname
>Y-DNA Study participants.
>Barbara Poythress Neal
>bp_neal@earthlink.net
>
>= = = =
>4/14/06 Hi Barbara,
>
>I'm only one representative of what I think is a very large and quite
>likely diverse group, so it is still possible that there are some
>"Porteii" with potential Poyt*ress connections.
>
>One person a few of us have been very interested in is Edward Porteus,
>grandfather of Beilby Porteous, a former Bishop of London. Edward lived
>in an area on the York River in Virginia called "Violet Banks" some time
>in the 1600s (I don't have the information handy at the moment). There
>also seems to be a bit of Poythress/Porteous overlap in South Carolina
>but I'll need to locate my notes from a vacation we took there a couple
>of years ago.
>
>I did a study of early IGI entries for Porteous and found a number in
>the Kent and London area far back in time:
>http://www.novateq.ca/personal/index.php?page=British_Origins
>
>(Coincidentally, Newent comes up in my mother's side of the family...)
>
>Please feel free to copy my message to your list.
>Regards,
>--Doug
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>Visit www.poythress.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>		04/16/2006 12:33:47
RE: DNA ProjectMichael TutorTouche.


> [Original Message]
> From: John M. Poythress
> To:
> Date: 4/17/2006 4:57:47 PM
> Subject: DNA Project
>
> It grieves me greatly to know that we are operating on the wrong side of
> Sharia law:
>
> April 16, 2006
> Opinion: DNA Should Not Be Used as a Tool to Identify Family Trees
> An unsigned article in the Arab Times of Kuwait claims that use of DNA
> will lead to the "disintegration of families."
> The article objects to the use of DNA, mostly on religious grounds,
> claiming that such technology is against Islamic Sharia (the code of law
> based on the Koran). The article quotes Dr. Mohammed Al-Tabtabaei, Dean
> of the Faculty of Sharia and Islamic Studies at Kuwait University, who
> stated, "Islam does not allow the use of DNA fingerprinting to prove
> genealogy and no family can reject any of its members based on results
> of such tests." He also said that Islam does not allow linking the
> crimes of fathers to sons as each of them is accountable for his own
> actions.
> However, Dr. Al-Tabtabaei conceded that DNA has many uses outside of
> family tree studies. He stated, "Although security departments can use
> DNA fingerprinting for issues related to national security, this
> technology should not be used as a tool to identify the family tree of
> anybody."
> Dr Ahmed Al-Hajji, a Fiqhi (Islamic jurisprudence) expert, said, "If
> there is no other strong proof, DNA fingerprinting can be used to
> identify maternal relationship if two women claim to be the mother of
> the same child. However, this technology cannot be used to prove
> paternal relations." The Islamic Juristic Group (IJG) said, "DNA
> fingerprinting can be used only in criminal investigations and not to
> identify the genealogy of anyone. In case of disputes over a new born
> baby or lost child, such tests can be used to identify the parents of
> the child."
>
> (from Dick Eastman's 4/17 newsletter)
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>		04/17/2006 6:30:59
DNA ProjectJohn M. PoythressIt grieves me greatly to know that we are operating on the wrong side of
Sharia law:

April 16, 2006
Opinion: DNA Should Not Be Used as a Tool to Identify Family Trees
An unsigned article in the Arab Times of Kuwait claims that use of DNA
will lead to the "disintegration of families."
The article objects to the use of DNA, mostly on religious grounds,
claiming that such technology is against Islamic Sharia (the code of law
based on the Koran). The article quotes Dr. Mohammed Al-Tabtabaei, Dean
of the Faculty of Sharia and Islamic Studies at Kuwait University, who
stated, "Islam does not allow the use of DNA fingerprinting to prove
genealogy and no family can reject any of its members based on results
of such tests." He also said that Islam does not allow linking the
crimes of fathers to sons as each of them is accountable for his own
actions.
However, Dr. Al-Tabtabaei conceded that DNA has many uses outside of
family tree studies. He stated, "Although security departments can use
DNA fingerprinting for issues related to national security, this
technology should not be used as a tool to identify the family tree of
anybody."
Dr Ahmed Al-Hajji, a Fiqhi (Islamic jurisprudence) expert, said, "If
there is no other strong proof, DNA fingerprinting can be used to
identify maternal relationship if two women claim to be the mother of
the same child. However, this technology cannot be used to prove
paternal relations." The Islamic Juristic Group (IJG) said, "DNA
fingerprinting can be used only in criminal investigations and not to
identify the genealogy of anyone. In case of disputes over a new born
baby or lost child, such tests can be used to identify the parents of
the child."

(from Dick Eastman's 4/17 newsletter)		04/17/2006 10:57:21
Michael Tutor's "Descendants of Lewis Poythress"Barbara P. NealNote from Bpn: below is a copy of what I think Maynard was asking folks
today about, when he wrote: "Could we flesh out the Lewis line from
where it starts in Mike's work down to our Lewis descendents? No
particular hurry but it needs to be included if it can be included." I
had a devil of a time finding it, since the original message from Mike
on 12 Nov 2005 had no subject line.

As I (Bpn) noted on 14 Nov, "I can readily confirm the dates & places
you included for my ancestor James Edward Poythress (JEP), and all the
info you included for JEP's descendants." I still look forward to
understanding (as mentioned then) "the specific sources that led you to
list Lewis' ancestors "Lewis5 Poythress (Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2,
Francis1)." Lewis is a good hunch for being father of James Edward
Poythress, but by no means is there any source documentation of that.

So, folks, if you find your own ancestor (including David Poythress &
William Dortch) listed below in Michael's compilation of proposed
descendants for Lewis Poythress, please furnish some feedback to the
List, or to Michael personally if you prefer (badbichon@earthlink.net),
and any other fleshing-out you may can offer.
Thanks,
Barbara (Bpn)

= = = = Below compiled by Michael Tutor as of 12 Nov 2005 = = =
Descendants of Lewis Poythress

Generation No. 1

1. Lewis5 Poythress (Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt.
1770 in Virginia, and died 1847. He married (1) Elizabeth Patsy Giles 25
Dec 1793 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of Henry Edward
Giles. She died Bef. 09 Apr 1802. He married (2) Rebecca B. Taylor 09
Apr 1802 in Mecklenberg County, Virginia. She was born 1780.

Children of Lewis Poythress and Elizabeth Giles are:

2. i. Edward6 Poythress, b. Abt. 1798, Virginia.

ii. John Poythress, b. Abt. 1800; d. Bef. 16 Mar 1818, Mecklenburg
County, Virginia.

Children of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor are:

3. iii. James Edward6 Poythress, b. 13 Aug 1803, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 17 Jan 1863, Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama.

4. iv. David Poythress, b. Abt. 1805, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

v. Rebecca L. Poythress, b. Abt. 1811, Virginia; m. Benjamin Standley,
22 Jan 1832, Mecklenberg County, Virginia.

5. vi. Sarah G. Poythress, b. 06 Jan 1814, Virginia; d. 12 Dec 1854,
Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

vii. Lewis Y. Poythress, b. Abt. 1819, Virginia; m. Mary C. Ferguson, 20
Jul 1846; b. Abt. 1810, Virginia.

6. viii. Thomas M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1823, Virginia; d. Jul 1891.

Generation No. 2


2. Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was
born Abt. 1798 in Virginia. He married Mahaley Nance 10 Oct 1828. She
was born Abt. 1803 in Virginia.

Children of Edward Poythress and Mahaley Nance are:

i. Sarah A.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1832, Virginia.

ii. Harriet Poythress, b. Abt. 1834, Virginia.

3. James Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2,
Francis1) was born 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, and died
17 Jan 1863 in Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama. He married Catherine
Speed Preston 06 Feb 1828 in Brunswick County, Virginia, daughter of
Joshua Preston. She was born 20 Jan 1800 in Brunswick County, Virginia,
and died 18 Oct 1884 in Sumter County, Alabama.

Children of James Poythress and Catherine Preston are:

i. Joshua Lewis7 Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1828, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 12 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama; m. Elizabeth J.
Crowder, 1852, Warren County, North Carolina.

ii. Nathan Francis Poythress, b. 18 Oct 1830, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 11 Mar 1862, Charlottesville, Virginia.

iii. William Huel Poythress, b. 10 Dec 1832, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 26 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama.

iv. Catherine Jane Poythress, b. 10 Aug 1838, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 05 Nov 1888, Binnsville, Mississippi.

v. Rebecca Barter Jane Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1840, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 28 Jan 1936, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama.

vi. Penelope Frances Poythress, b. 04 Aug 1843, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 10 Dec 1915, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi.

vii. Algernon Edward Poythress, b. 12 Aug 1844, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 11 Apr 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi; m.
Ellen Belle McKinley; b. 1851; d. 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County,
Mississippi.

viii. Virenda Priscilla Poythress, b. 19 Feb 1848, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 26 Aug 1920, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama.

4. David6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was
born Abt. 1805 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. He married (1) Mary
Speed Dortch 17 Dec 1827 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of
Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. She was born Abt. 1810 in Virginia, and
died Bef. 15 Mar 1838. He married (2) Sally R. Dortch 15 Mar 1838 in
Warren County, North Carolina, daughter of Newman Dortch and Sarah
Speed. She was born Abt. 1818 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

Children of David Poythress and Mary Dortch are:

i. Martha Jane7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1830; m. John M. Tucker, 18 Oct 1848,
Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

7. ii. James Speed Poythress, b. 24 Sep 1829; d. 17 Mar 1923, Meridian,
Lauderdale County, Mississippi.

iii. Mary Poythress, b. Abt. 1836.

Children of David Poythress and Sally Dortch are:

8. iv. George W.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1840, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

v. Charles D. Poythress, b. 15 Jul 1849, Mecklenburg County, Virginia;
m. India P. Tuisdale, 08 Dec 1870; b. 03 Apr 1852.

vi. Lucy M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1853, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

vii. Alice M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

5. Sarah G.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1)
was born 06 Jan 1814 in Virginia, and died 12 Dec 1854 in Mecklenburg
County, Virginia. She married William Archer Dortch 13 Jan 1837 in
Mecklenberg County, Virginia, son of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. He
was born 28 Dec 1816, and died 23 Jun 1859.

Child of Sarah Poythress and William Dortch is:

i. Oliver Jasper7 Dortch.

6. Thomas M.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1)
was born Abt. 1823 in Virginia, and died Jul 1891. He married Lucy J.
Thomas, daughter of William Thomas and Nancy House. She was born Abt.
1827 in Virginia.

Children of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas are:

9. i. William Lewis7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1845, Virginia; d. Bef. 06 Apr 1915.

ii. Frances Poythress, b. Abt. 1847, Virginia.

iii. Benjamin J. Poythress, b. 1852, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d.
1853, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

iv. James D. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; m.
Lucy Mosely, 21 Nov 1877, Brunswick County, Virginia.

v. Henrietta Poythress, b. Abt. 1859, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

vi. Sallie Poythress, b. Abt. 1860, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

vii. Peter V. Poythress, b. Abt. 1865, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

viii. Anderson J. Poythress, b. Abt. 1867, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

ix. Luban Poythress, b. Abt. 1869, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

x. Bennett Poythress, b. 1874,
Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 1874, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.		04/18/2006 3:22:17
Re: DNA Study questions from MaynardBarbara P. NealMaynard, re the thoughts & questions in your message earlier today:

- Glad to hear you anticipate soon having available to mail out,
Michael's compilations melded into one along with a "completed" Meredith
line..." I personally hope that your Meredith portion will fully
address what all can be (and cannot be?) concluded re Hester from sources

- No, FamilyTreeDNA has not made any statement re the 59-marker test
being their final one they will develop. It may well be the final one
many of our participants will take part in, but the company will no
doubt continue to refine their work as the DNA field progresses (As you
may recall, they are the company working with National Geographic on the
worldwide genographic study).

- I unfortunately must clarify for you that I do *not* have the
expertise to write a "soup to nuts formal paper outlining what we have
found to date" on our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study. My email
that I'll send the List soon (for you to incorporate if you wish in the
CD) on findings to date will basically rehash what I've already
reported. That email will be more complete regarding only the first
12-markers, since that test level is the one that ALL 13 of our
participants have done so far. 12 of our 13 participants are almost
completely identical on those first 12-markers.

- In a couple of months we should have 59-marker test results for at
least 11 of those mostly-identical 12 participants. It would not be
beneficial for our participant in Haplogroup A to order that test since
so many of the initial 37 markers are different anyway from those of the
other 12 Study participants. (I still haven't heard from one of the
descendants of William E. Poythress of Georgia, so don't know if he will
order the 59-marker test.) When we get the 59-marker results, it will be
a lot easier for me to even write anything trying to relay info, versus
trying right now the impossibility of comparing various folks' 12-marker
tests, some 25-marker tests, and some 37-marker tests in any sort of
coherent message.

- The tutorial by FamlyTreeDNA regarding DNA for genealogy purposes is
located at the following part of their website:
http://www.familytreedna.com/tutorial_A.html

- The English participant (descended from Christopher Poytress) test
results is one of the 59-marker tests we're awaiting now. His 37-marker
results will be mentioned in my rehash message today.

- I personally regard the Porteous DNA (that Doug Porteous wrote about
the other day), as clarifying that *probably* folks named Porteous are
not just different-spelling cousins of folks named Poythress. I say
"probably" because his is only one test-sample and it's hard to conclude
anything if his is for any reason different from a bunch of other
Porteous folks' DNA.

- For your question re Portis results, see my rehash message to be out
probably tomorrow (Too much computer-use for my arms already today).
Oh, and I don't offhand recognize the name of Delphy who you mention, by
the way.

- re your last section on "some kind of mental block" -- The concept
of probabilities & odds is certainly one part of all this DNA stuff that
I find difficult to fully grasp, never having studied such statistical
stuff in college. I'm just a volunteer at all this, no statistician and
certainly no scientist In my message of 9 April, my *intended*
point (versus however it ended up reading) was *not* that descent from
Francis would become more likely with the 59-marker tests, but rather
that the 59-marker tests will give more clear definition of a Most
Recent Common Ancestor among the American participants -- descendants of
David, versus of Lewis or Thomas or whoever.

Hope this helps address your many thoughts.
Barbara		04/18/2006 4:53:13
Re:Michael Tutor's Descendants of Lewis PoythessHello to all. I will give some of this a try. David Poythress and Mary Speed
Poythress are my GG-Grandparents. I have a copy of the Warren County, NC
Marriage record of David Poythress and Sally Dortch. They were married on March
15th 1848. Because of this document and the 1850 Mecklenburg, VA census which
lists George as 9 years old. He is not the son of David Poythress and Sally
Dortch but the son of David and Mary Speed Dortch. The first child of David
and Sally was Charles David Poythress was the first child of David Poythress
and Sally Dortch.

I have never seen or heard of any documentation that states that Lewis
Poythress is the father of my GG-Grandfather David Poythress. I suspect there is
close connection of these two men but have no positive proof. So if anyone has
documentation that would identify Lewis as David Poythresses father, I would
be in heaven to finally have positive proof.

I am way out of touch since I have not been active for so long. Do I need to
submit something on my G-Grandfather James Speed Poythress and Grandfather
Carl Hutton Poythress for some sort of file being compiled. If so would that
person get in touch with me.
_Denver145@aol.com_ (mailto:Denver145@aol.com)

Take Care,
Elaine


Note from Bpn: below is a copy of what I think Maynard was asking folks
today about, when he wrote: "Could we flesh out the Lewis line from
where it starts in Mike's work down to our Lewis descendents? No
particular hurry but it needs to be included if it can be included." I
had a devil of a time finding it, since the original message from Mike
on 12 Nov 2005 had no subject line.

As I (Bpn) noted on 14 Nov, "I can readily confirm the dates & places
you included for my ancestor James Edward Poythress (JEP), and all the
info you included for JEP's descendants." I still look forward to
understanding (as mentioned then) "the specific sources that led you to
list Lewis' ancestors "Lewis5 Poythress (Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2,
Francis1)." Lewis is a good hunch for being father of James Edward
Poythress, but by no means is there any source documentation of that.

So, folks, if you find your own ancestor (including David Poythress &
William Dortch) listed below in Michael's compilation of proposed
descendants for Lewis Poythress, please furnish some feedback to the
List, or to Michael personally if you prefer (badbichon@earthlink.net),
and any other fleshing-out you may can offer.
Thanks,
Barbara (Bpn)

= = = = Below compiled by Michael Tutor as of 12 Nov 2005 = = =
Descendants of Lewis Poythress

Generation No. 1

1. Lewis5 Poythress (Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt.
1770 in Virginia, and died 1847. He married (1) Elizabeth Patsy Giles 25
Dec 1793 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of Henry Edward
Giles. She died Bef. 09 Apr 1802. He married (2) Rebecca B. Taylor 09
Apr 1802 in Mecklenberg County, Virginia. She was born 1780.

Children of Lewis Poythress and Elizabeth Giles are:

2. i. Edward6 Poythress, b. Abt. 1798, Virginia.

ii. John Poythress, b. Abt. 1800; d. Bef. 16 Mar 1818, Mecklenburg
County, Virginia.

Children of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor are:

3. iii. James Edward6 Poythress, b. 13 Aug 1803, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 17 Jan 1863, Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama.

4. iv. David Poythress, b. Abt. 1805, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

v. Rebecca L. Poythress, b. Abt. 1811, Virginia; m. Benjamin Standley,
22 Jan 1832, Mecklenberg County, Virginia.

5. vi. Sarah G. Poythress, b. 06 Jan 1814, Virginia; d. 12 Dec 1854,
Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

vii. Lewis Y. Poythress, b. Abt. 1819, Virginia; m. Mary C. Ferguson, 20
Jul 1846; b. Abt. 1810, Virginia.

6. viii. Thomas M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1823, Virginia; d. Jul 1891.

Generation No. 2


2. Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was
born Abt. 1798 in Virginia. He married Mahaley Nance 10 Oct 1828. She
was born Abt. 1803 in Virginia.

Children of Edward Poythress and Mahaley Nance are:

i. Sarah A.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1832, Virginia.

ii. Harriet Poythress, b. Abt. 1834, Virginia.

3. James Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2,
Francis1) was born 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, and died
17 Jan 1863 in Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama. He married Catherine
Speed Preston 06 Feb 1828 in Brunswick County, Virginia, daughter of
Joshua Preston. She was born 20 Jan 1800 in Brunswick County, Virginia,
and died 18 Oct 1884 in Sumter County, Alabama.

Children of James Poythress and Catherine Preston are:

i. Joshua Lewis7 Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1828, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 12 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama; m. Elizabeth J.
Crowder, 1852, Warren County, North Carolina.

ii. Nathan Francis Poythress, b. 18 Oct 1830, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 11 Mar 1862, Charlottesville, Virginia.

iii. William Huel Poythress, b. 10 Dec 1832, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 26 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama.

iv. Catherine Jane Poythress, b. 10 Aug 1838, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 05 Nov 1888, Binnsville, Mississippi.

v. Rebecca Barter Jane Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1840, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 28 Jan 1936, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama.

vi. Penelope Frances Poythress, b. 04 Aug 1843, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 10 Dec 1915, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi.

vii. Algernon Edward Poythress, b. 12 Aug 1844, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 11 Apr 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi; m.
Ellen Belle McKinley; b. 1851; d. 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County,
Mississippi.

viii. Virenda Priscilla Poythress, b. 19 Feb 1848, Mecklenburg County,
Virginia; d. 26 Aug 1920, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama.

4. David6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was
born Abt. 1805 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. He married (1) Mary
Speed Dortch 17 Dec 1827 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of
Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. She was born Abt. 1810 in Virginia, and
died Bef. 15 Mar 1838. He married (2) Sally R. Dortch 15 Mar 1838 in
Warren County, North Carolina, daughter of Newman Dortch and Sarah
Speed. She was born Abt. 1818 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

Children of David Poythress and Mary Dortch are:

i. Martha Jane7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1830; m. John M. Tucker, 18 Oct 1848,
Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

7. ii. James Speed Poythress, b. 24 Sep 1829; d. 17 Mar 1923, Meridian,
Lauderdale County, Mississippi.

iii. Mary Poythress, b. Abt. 1836.

Children of David Poythress and Sally Dortch are:

8. iv. George W.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1840, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

v. Charles D. Poythress, b. 15 Jul 1849, Mecklenburg County, Virginia;
m. India P. Tuisdale, 08 Dec 1870; b. 03 Apr 1852.

vi. Lucy M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1853, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

vii. Alice M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

5. Sarah G.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1)
was born 06 Jan 1814 in Virginia, and died 12 Dec 1854 in Mecklenburg
County, Virginia. She married William Archer Dortch 13 Jan 1837 in
Mecklenberg County, Virginia, son of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. He
was born 28 Dec 1816, and died 23 Jun 1859.

Child of Sarah Poythress and William Dortch is:

i. Oliver Jasper7 Dortch.

6. Thomas M.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1)
was born Abt. 1823 in Virginia, and died Jul 1891. He married Lucy J.
Thomas, daughter of William Thomas and Nancy House. She was born Abt.
1827 in Virginia.

Children of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas are:

9. i. William Lewis7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1845, Virginia; d. Bef. 06 Apr 1915.

ii. Frances Poythress, b. Abt. 1847, Virginia.

iii. Benjamin J. Poythress, b. 1852, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d.
1853, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

iv. James D. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; m.
Lucy Mosely, 21 Nov 1877, Brunswick County, Virginia.

v. Henrietta Poythress, b. Abt. 1859, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

vi. Sallie Poythress, b. Abt. 1860, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

vii. Peter V. Poythress, b. Abt. 1865, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

viii. Anderson J. Poythress, b. Abt. 1867, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

ix. Luban Poythress, b. Abt. 1869, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

x. Bennett Poythress, b. 1874,
Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 1874, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.		04/18/2006 6:19:49
DNA Study...John M. PoythressBarbara and all: Thoughts... (of shoes and ships and sealing wax)....

++ I anticipate soon having Michael's virtual census 1 and virtual
census 2 melded into one along with a "completed" Meredith line to tack
onto the "Unentangled" write-up for a new data base CD "Poythress
Family 2.0"...which of course will be mailed to all; mailed instead of
emailed...via e-mail Rootsweb would convert it to text and make a mess
of it, besides, it's hoving up on 240MB and I'm not sure we could stuff
that much through the system anyway.

++ could we flesh out the Lewis line from where it starts in Mike's work
down to our Lewis descendents? No particular hurry but it needs to be
included if it can be included.

++ with respect to the DNA project (and Barbara's yeoperson duty for
which we are all truly thankful) I'm thinking that the horizon might
have considerable time lapsing between version 2.0-to-be and version
3.0-to-be. Wouldn't it be appropriate to have something of a soup to
nuts "formal" paper outlining what we have found todate for the 2.0
disk? And perhaps prefaced with a general introduction to the whole DNA
matter in general..either of one of say, Barbara's composing or a canned
one (simple) copied from somewhere? (I realize FamilyTreeDNA says they
provide a tutorial for the uninitiated but I've either not seen it or
have seen it and didn't have sense enough to recognize it. )
Barbara, I'm confident there's no one else capable of writing this one
but you.

++ I would also be most happy to know if FamilyTreeDNA has made some
statement along the lines that we are approaching some kind of
"finality" with the 59 marker groups. I'm not especially enthralled
with the prospect of them walking us up to, say, a few hundred markers
at 100 bucks per every 22 markers, I being skeptically inclined to think
that further "science" just might be only a question of further
"marketing appetite", august body that FamilyTreeDNA may be.

++ I also have a thought that if Christopher Poytress' results are
imminent, certainly the 2.0 disk could wait to include them as they will
likely be quite significant.

++ while inquiring about the status of the number of guys signed up for
the 59 marker test I'll simultaneously urge those who haven't to part
with their hundred bucks or whatever and sign up...it ain't going to
kill you.

++ do the Portis results tell us anything at all? I was never very much
as convinced by the Delphy Poythress connection as I was by Kirby
Poythress nee' Portis who shows quite clearly "evolving" over several
records from a Portis to a Poythress down in Isle of Wight county..which
I'm just guessing is where that variant started in the first place.

++ might any Porteus/Porteous DNA results settle this variant once and
for all for us? I remain open to the prospect but would bet that DNA
will reveal no conclusive connections. I say this because that Porteus
crowd has a pretty clearly defined and high profile identity of their
own with members appearing in contexts unrelated to Poythresses other
than sharing a time frame occasionally.

++ I think I'm operating with some kind of mental block here but I'm
having a hard time understanding how a CLOSER proximity of
the MCRA for any group of us would make descent from Francis MORE
likely..it seems to me to be the other way around.
Whatever...if you all say so I"ll accept it as one of life's mysteries.


Just some thoughts thrown out for comment or whatever.

Maynard		04/18/2006 8:37:53
DNA results to 19 April 2006 Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA StudyBarbara P. NealToday I've completed an update of our Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA
Study for (1) the DNA section of our Poythress Research website at
www.Poythress.net and (2) Maynard & Michael to use on the next
generation of the CD of Poythress stuff, to be mailed out. I prepared it
in my word processing program. For those interested in seeing it before
it gets posted to the website, below is a text version of it, since the
"doc" version won't transmit thru RootsWeb to our Poythress-List.
Barbara Poythress Neal
= = =

Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study
Note: This Study is an all volunteer effort; it is not a commercial
entity. Barbara Poythress Neal serves as the volunteer Group
Administrator of the Project; she does not receive any funds for
coordinating participants' DNA results. She has no connection or
affiliation with the company being used for the testing.

General Background on Surname Study
Our surname is a relatively rare one. In England, the POYTRESS surname
has been around for more than 400 years. In America, people of the
POYTHRESS surname have been here for almost 400 years. In America, the
earliest of the name we have found is Francis Poythress, who came prior
to 9 Feb 1632, when he was in James City County, Virginia. We know he
served as a factor (or an agent) for a London merchant, Lawrence Evans,
in the year prior to Sep 1637, and served as a Burgess representing
Charles City County, Virginia in 1644 and later. (See citations for
these and more early information at our website's "17th Century Records"
section)

The christening that researchers have found in England (apparently for
this man), was that of Francis POYTHRESS, christened on 12 July 1609 at
Newent, in Gloucestershire, a son of John PEWDREIES (who owned nearby
Ploddy House until 1647/48). Another son of John PEWDREIES of Newent,
Christopher POYDRAS, was christened in early Sep 1616, according to St.
Swithun's Parish Register, Worcester. Christopher did not leave England
and left many descendants there who spelled the surname POYTRESS.

To better determine whether the current POYTHRESS and POYTRESS surnamed
people indeed descend from one progenitor, this Surname DNA Study
Project was launched in June 2003. It is open to any male, in any
country, born of a father who was surnamed Poythress, Poytress, or other
possible spelling variations. As of April 2006, we have 13 participants
and would welcome more.

DNA Testing as a Genealogical Research Tool
DNA testing is a valuable tool developing for genealogical research. A
brief introduction is below regarding this non-invasive genetic DNA
testing, and how such tests can give valuable information in our
genealogical searching. More detailed information is available at the
website of the company (Family Tree DNA) being used for this Study:
www.familytreedna.com

That company has an excellent reputation, and is very professional. They
are the company partnering with The National Geographic Society for the
worldwide Genographic Project. The answers to many Frequently Asked
Questions appear on their FAQ page:
http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html A tutorial by FamlyTreeDNA
regarding DNA for genealogy purposes is located at the following part of
their website: http://www.familytreedna.com/tutorial_A.html

For Surname Y-DNA Studies, the company gives a discount from the price
that would be charged to an individual not affiliated with a Surname
Study. The price as of April 2006 for Study participants for the
59-marker test is $269; tests of fewer markers cost less. To join the
project, go to our Study's page at:
http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Poythress
Or if you are interested in participating in our Study, and need
assistance in affording it, please privately contact our volunteer Group
Administrator, Barbara Poythress Neal: bp_neal@earthlink.net

Anyone interested in helping to sponsor a participant (perhaps the
father, brother, or uncle of an interested female) can also contact
Barbara to discuss how this can be accomplished.

Surname DNA Study projects look at certain distinct markers within the Y
Chromosome of the DNA, which is a small part of the DNA that a father
passes to his son. Since these markers are consistently passed through
the male line, the markers occur in the men of that surname:
thus Poythress or Poytress surnamed sons inherit them from their
Poythress or Poytress surnamed fathers.

The Poythress/Poytress Study Methodology
Most participants in our Study have upgraded to the 59-marker test which
became available for Y-DNA testing in Spring 2006.

The test is as easy as brushing one's teeth. The DNA test kit consists
of a cheek scraper and a collection tube. Using the cheek scraper is
similar to brushing the inside of one's cheek with a soft-bristled
toothbrush.

The Y-DNA test kit does not test for any disease, or hereditary
condition; it looks only at specific markers within the man's Y Chromosome.

When men match one another exactly on all or most of the markers, and
when they share the same surname (or variant), the scientists report
that those two factors clearly demonstrate they are related to one
another. Their reports get more technical, and give terms of
probability: for example with an exact match on all 59 markers, they
show a 90% probability that the Most Recent Common Ancestor (or MRCA) of
those men lived no longer ago than within the last 4 generations (the
great-great-grandfather of the current man), and a 95% probability that
the MRCA lived no longer ago than within the last 5 generations
(3rd-great-grandfather).

When the markers of tested men of the same surname (or variant) vary
just a bit, by only one or two "repeats" on only one or two of
the markers, the probability of them being closely related is still
very, very high. Such slight variations come from normal changes, or
mutations, that develop randomly within the Y-DNA, as it repeats itself
over a period of time.

Thus when testing a number of men of the same surname (or variant),
results begin to show sub-groups of men develop, who are more closely
related within various branches of the same surname line.

Findings
In our Poythress / Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study as of April 2006, we
have 13 participants. One is in England and is known to be descended
from the above-mentioned John who owned Ploddy House in Gloucestershire
in the 1600s, through John's son Christopher. Our other 12 participants
are Americans, many of whom had ancestors known to have lived in
Virginia before most of their family lines moved further south to North
Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi. Our English
participant and 11 of our American participants are in Haplogroup R1b,
which is from the British Isles. One American participant is in
Haplogroup A, a group that shows some American Indian ancestry.

12-Marker Test Results:
Almost all our participants (including our English participant) match
completely on the initial 12-marker test. As shown below, the one
participant in Haplogroup A matched on only 3 of those initial
12-markers, and the one participant whose family line has stayed in
Virginia had a different reading on only DYS-439 (which is one of the
"faster mutating" markers); on that marker he had "12" repeats while the
other 11 of our Haplogroup R1b participants (including the English
participant) had "13." The number of the reading basically tells how
many times that part of the DNA has changed (or "mutated") by repeating
itself.
DYS 393 = 14 in Haplogroup R1b; 13 in Haplogroup A
DYS 390 = 24 in Haplogroup R1b; 23 in Haplogroup A
DYS 19 = 14 in Haplogroup R1b; 14 in Haplogroup A
DYS 391 = 11 in Haplogroup R1b; 11 in Haplogroup A
DYS 385a = 11 in Haplogroup R1b; 16 in Haplogroup A
DYS 385b = 14 in Haplogroup R1b; 17 in Haplogroup A
DYS 426 = 12 in Haplogroup R1b; 12 in Haplogroup A
DYS 388 = 12 in Haplogroup R1b; 10 in Haplogroup A
DYS 439 = 13 in Haplogroup R1b, except for the participant whose family
line stayed in VA, who had 12; 12 in Haplogroup A
DYS 389-1 = 14 in Haplogroup R1b; 13 in Haplogroup A
DYS 392 = 12 in Haplogroup R1b; 11 in Haplogroup A
DYS 389-2 = 30 in Haplogroup R1b; 31 in Haplogroup A

25-Marker Test Results:
When 11 of our 12 Haplogroup R1b participants got results from the
25-marker test, we saw two distinct groups develop, along with another
few men who varied slightly from them. (Since the participant in
Haplogroup A had radically different results, his results are not listed
below.) Results in the 13th through the 25th markers are:
4 men whose family lines moved from Virginia to North Carolina,
Alabama, or Mississippi have completely identical scores to date
(referred to below as the NC-AL-MS group). These 4 men have the
following readings for the 13th through the 25th markers.
DYS 458 = 16
DYS 459a = 9
DYS 459b = 10
DYS 455 = 11
DYS 454 = 11
DYS 447 = 25
DYS 437 = 15
DYS 448 = 19
DYS 449 = 30
DYS 464a = 15
DYS 464b = 15
DYS 464c = 16
DYS 464d = 18
4 men, including the English participant, and men whose lines moved
from Virginia to Florida or Georgia (referred to below as the
English-FL-GA group) share another completely identical set of scores,
which vary from the NC-AL-MS group only by one repeat on DYS-464c
(another of the "faster mutating" markers) having a 17 instead of the 16
shared by the above NC-AL-MS group;
two other men whose family lines moved from Virginia to Georgia
differed from this English-FL-GA group, on only DYS-458 (another faster
mutating marker) but they differed in different directions to 17 and 15,
instead of 16 shared by both the NC-AL-MS group and the English-FL-GA
group;
the one participant whose line remained in Virginia differs from all
the above men on two faster mutating markers - he has fewer repeats on
both DYS-464c and DYS-464d, having 15 & 16 respectively, versus the 16 &
18 of the NC-AL-MS group, and versus the 17 & 18 of the English-FL-GA
group and of the two other GA participants mentioned above.

37-Marker Test Results:
We also have gotten results on the 37-marker test for 8 of our 12
Haplogroup R1b participants. (Again, since the participant in Haplogroup
A had radically different results, they are not listed below.) Results
in the 26th through the 37th markers are:
again completely identical results for the 3 of these 8 who were in
the above-mentioned NC-AL-MS group. These 3 men have the following
readings for the 26th through the 37th markers.
DYS 460 = 11
DYS GATA-H4 = 10
DYS YCA-Ia = 19
DYS YCA-Ib = 23
DYS 456 = 15
DYS 607 = 15
DYS 576 = 18
DYS 570 = 16
DYS CDY-a = 37
DYS CDY-b = 38
DYS 442 = 12
DYS 438 = 12
our participant whose ancestors stayed in VA differs from the
NC-AL-MS group on only faster mutating DYS-576, having one more repeat,
19, versus 18 for all of the other 7 Haplogroup R1b participants whose
readings are already available through the 37-marker upgrade;
our English participant had a difference from the NC-AL-MS group on
only faster mutating marker, DYS-456 - he has one fewer repeat, 14,
versus 15 for all the other 7 Haplogroup R1b participants whose readings
are already available through the 37-marker upgrade;
one of our GA participants had a difference on only one faster
mutating marker, DYS-CDYb - he has one more repeat, 39, versus 38 for 6
of the other 7 Haplogroup R1b participants whose readings are already
available through the 37-marker upgrade;
our FL participant shares the "39" with the above GA participant on
DYS-CDYb, and he has a further difference on marker, DYS-YCA-Ib (which
is not listed as a faster mutating DYS): he has 19 versus 23 for all
the other 7 Haplogroup R1b participants whose readings are already
available through the 37-marker upgrade;
another GA participant had a greater difference on that same
DYS-CDYb: he has 40 repeats on it, and he further differs on faster
mutating DYS-CDYa by having 38, versus 37 for all of the other 7
Haplogroup R1b participants whose readings are already available through
the 37-marker upgrade.

59-Marker Test Results:
As of April 2006, the newly available 59-marker test has been ordered
for most of our group participants. Those results should be available in
early Summer 2006. Further detailed findings and analysis will be posted
to this website as the study progresses.

We continue to work with more customary genealogical source materials
(including census, tax, land, Bible, etc records) and to look for such
source materials that are harder to find, in our effort to better
determine how the various branches relate to each other.

If you have further questions, please personally contact our volunteer
Group Administrator, Barbara Poythress Neal: bp_neal@earthlink.net		04/19/2006 2:47:26
Re: Michael Tutor's "Descendants of Lewis Poythress"Barbara P. NealThanks Julie & Elaine for sending your info. Hopefully Michael or
Maynard will get it all incorporated into the document.

And Elaine, thanks for the info on the NC Newspaper Project's
microfilmed papers

Barbara



04/19/2006 4:18:18
Re: Michael Tutor's "Descendants of Lewis Poythress"Julie CabittoI wanted to again add my line to the Lewis Poythress tree, and add more
children than Oliver Dortch. One source for this, is the family Bible. It
was transcribed by several Dortch families in the 60's, who saw the
original, but the original Bible has since disappeared. If you'd like any
other info on these people, let me know 🙂
Thanks,
Julie Cabitto
________________________________________
William Archer Dortch married Sarah G. Poythress 31 Jan 1837 in Warren Co.,
NC
They had 5 children:

1) Martha William Dortch born 15 Jan 1838 and died before 1894. Martha
married John S. Vaughan 8 Dec 1863. John Vaughan lived 29 Feb 1843 to 30 Apr
1916. Martha was born and died Mecklenburg VA.
-Martha and William had two children: Matthew C. Vaughan 31 May 1866 &
Fannie F. Vaughan 5 Oct 1869.

2) Henrietta Speed Dortch 30 Oct 1839 to 9 Jan 1843. Henrietta was born and
died Mecklenburg VA.

3) Oliver Jasper Dortch 3 Feb 1843 to 23 May 1929 married Agnes Jennie
Vanlandingham 20 Dec 1871. "Jennie" lived from abt 1856 to before 1900
Census.
I know of 8 children for Oliver and Jennie. OJ Dortch was born in
Mecklenburg but lived most of his life in Nutbush, Warren Co., NC.

4) Alvin Newton Dortch born 6 Dec 1844 and died 24 Aug 1915. He married
Tennessee Jordan Glover 5 Apr 1866 in Mecklenburg VA. Tennessee Jordan
Glover lived 26 Jul 1847 to 25 Oct 1919. Alvin was born in Mecklenburg, VA
and died in Kankakee, IL (suburb of Chicago). Alvin and Tennessee had 11
children. I descend from the oldest child Theresa India Dortch that married
Alginon (or Algie Non) Gray.

5) Thomas Newman Dortch lived 7 Jul 1847 to 8 Oct 1857
________________________________________________________
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:22 PM
Subject: Michael Tutor's "Descendants of Lewis Poythress"


> Note from Bpn: below is a copy of what I think Maynard was asking folks
> today about, when he wrote: "Could we flesh out the Lewis line from where
> it starts in Mike's work down to our Lewis descendents? No particular
> hurry but it needs to be included if it can be included." I had a devil of
> a time finding it, since the original message from Mike on 12 Nov 2005 had
> no subject line.
>
> As I (Bpn) noted on 14 Nov, "I can readily confirm the dates & places you
> included for my ancestor James Edward Poythress (JEP), and all the info
> you included for JEP's descendants." I still look forward to
> understanding (as mentioned then) "the specific sources that led you to
> list Lewis' ancestors "Lewis5 Poythress (Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2,
> Francis1)." Lewis is a good hunch for being father of James Edward
> Poythress, but by no means is there any source documentation of that.
>
> So, folks, if you find your own ancestor (including David Poythress &
> William Dortch) listed below in Michael's compilation of proposed
> descendants for Lewis Poythress, please furnish some feedback to the List,
> or to Michael personally if you prefer (badbichon@earthlink.net), and any
> other fleshing-out you may can offer.
> Thanks,
> Barbara (Bpn)
>
> = = = = Below compiled by Michael Tutor as of 12 Nov 2005 = = =
> Descendants of Lewis Poythress
>
> Generation No. 1
>
> 1. Lewis5 Poythress (Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt.
> 1770 in Virginia, and died 1847. He married (1) Elizabeth Patsy Giles 25
> Dec 1793 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of Henry Edward Giles.
> She died Bef. 09 Apr 1802. He married (2) Rebecca B. Taylor 09 Apr 1802 in
> Mecklenberg County, Virginia. She was born 1780.
>
> Children of Lewis Poythress and Elizabeth Giles are:
>
> 2. i. Edward6 Poythress, b. Abt. 1798, Virginia.
>
> ii. John Poythress, b. Abt. 1800; d. Bef. 16 Mar 1818, Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia.
>
> Children of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor are:
>
> 3. iii. James Edward6 Poythress, b. 13 Aug 1803, Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia; d. 17 Jan 1863, Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama.
>
> 4. iv. David Poythress, b. Abt. 1805, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> v. Rebecca L. Poythress, b. Abt. 1811, Virginia; m. Benjamin Standley, 22
> Jan 1832, Mecklenberg County, Virginia.
>
> 5. vi. Sarah G. Poythress, b. 06 Jan 1814, Virginia; d. 12 Dec 1854,
> Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> vii. Lewis Y. Poythress, b. Abt. 1819, Virginia; m. Mary C. Ferguson, 20
> Jul 1846; b. Abt. 1810, Virginia.
>
> 6. viii. Thomas M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1823, Virginia; d. Jul 1891.
>
> Generation No. 2
>
>
> 2. Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was
> born Abt. 1798 in Virginia. He married Mahaley Nance 10 Oct 1828. She was
> born Abt. 1803 in Virginia.
>
> Children of Edward Poythress and Mahaley Nance are:
>
> i. Sarah A.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1832, Virginia.
>
> ii. Harriet Poythress, b. Abt. 1834, Virginia.
>
> 3. James Edward6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1)
> was born 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, and died 17 Jan 1863
> in Sumterville, Sumter County, Alabama. He married Catherine Speed Preston
> 06 Feb 1828 in Brunswick County, Virginia, daughter of Joshua Preston. She
> was born 20 Jan 1800 in Brunswick County, Virginia, and died 18 Oct 1884
> in Sumter County, Alabama.
>
> Children of James Poythress and Catherine Preston are:
>
> i. Joshua Lewis7 Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1828, Mecklenburg County, Virginia;
> d. 12 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama; m. Elizabeth J. Crowder, 1852,
> Warren County, North Carolina.
>
> ii. Nathan Francis Poythress, b. 18 Oct 1830, Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia; d. 11 Mar 1862, Charlottesville, Virginia.
>
> iii. William Huel Poythress, b. 10 Dec 1832, Mecklenburg County, Virginia;
> d. 26 Jun 1854, Sumter County, Alabama.
>
> iv. Catherine Jane Poythress, b. 10 Aug 1838, Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia; d. 05 Nov 1888, Binnsville, Mississippi.
>
> v. Rebecca Barter Jane Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1840, Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia; d. 28 Jan 1936, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama.
>
> vi. Penelope Frances Poythress, b. 04 Aug 1843, Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia; d. 10 Dec 1915, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi.
>
> vii. Algernon Edward Poythress, b. 12 Aug 1844, Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia; d. 11 Apr 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi; m.
> Ellen Belle McKinley; b. 1851; d. 1918, Meridian, Lauderdale County,
> Mississippi.
>
> viii. Virenda Priscilla Poythress, b. 19 Feb 1848, Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia; d. 26 Aug 1920, Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama.
>
> 4. David6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was
> born Abt. 1805 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. He married (1) Mary Speed
> Dortch 17 Dec 1827 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, daughter of Newman
> Dortch and Sarah Speed. She was born Abt. 1810 in Virginia, and died Bef.
> 15 Mar 1838. He married (2) Sally R. Dortch 15 Mar 1838 in Warren County,
> North Carolina, daughter of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. She was born
> Abt. 1818 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> Children of David Poythress and Mary Dortch are:
>
> i. Martha Jane7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1830; m. John M. Tucker, 18 Oct 1848,
> Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> 7. ii. James Speed Poythress, b. 24 Sep 1829; d. 17 Mar 1923, Meridian,
> Lauderdale County, Mississippi.
>
> iii. Mary Poythress, b. Abt. 1836.
>
> Children of David Poythress and Sally Dortch are:
>
> 8. iv. George W.7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1840, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> v. Charles D. Poythress, b. 15 Jul 1849, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; m.
> India P. Tuisdale, 08 Dec 1870; b. 03 Apr 1852.
>
> vi. Lucy M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1853, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> vii. Alice M. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> 5. Sarah G.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was
> born 06 Jan 1814 in Virginia, and died 12 Dec 1854 in Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia. She married William Archer Dortch 13 Jan 1837 in Mecklenberg
> County, Virginia, son of Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed. He was born 28 Dec
> 1816, and died 23 Jun 1859.
>
> Child of Sarah Poythress and William Dortch is:
>
> i. Oliver Jasper7 Dortch.
>
> 6. Thomas M.6 Poythress (Lewis5, Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was
> born Abt. 1823 in Virginia, and died Jul 1891. He married Lucy J. Thomas,
> daughter of William Thomas and Nancy House. She was born Abt. 1827 in
> Virginia.
>
> Children of Thomas Poythress and Lucy Thomas are:
>
> 9. i. William Lewis7 Poythress, b. Abt. 1845, Virginia; d. Bef. 06 Apr
> 1915.
>
> ii. Frances Poythress, b. Abt. 1847, Virginia.
>
> iii. Benjamin J. Poythress, b. 1852, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d.
> 1853, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> iv. James D. Poythress, b. Abt. 1857, Mecklenburg County, Virginia; m.
> Lucy Mosely, 21 Nov 1877, Brunswick County, Virginia.
>
> v. Henrietta Poythress, b. Abt. 1859, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> vi. Sallie Poythress, b. Abt. 1860, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> vii. Peter V. Poythress, b. Abt. 1865, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> viii. Anderson J. Poythress, b. Abt. 1867, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> ix. Luban Poythress, b. Abt. 1869, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> x. Bennett Poythress, b. 1874,
> Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d. 1874, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>		04/19/2006 4:34:08
North Carolina Newspapers Project - MicrofilmedI thought that some of you may be interested in the below website. I
received it from a North Carolina genealogy site, I belong to. We do have several
who have ancestors from North Carolina or who migrated to North Carolina from
Virginia and this may help in your research. If we have any researchers in
North Carolina, it would be wonderful, if you find any Poythresses or other
surnames related to the North Carolina Poythresses, to have you post what you
find on the Poythress Website. The below site has a listing of North Carolina
newspapers that have now been microfilmed and the dates that they started
publication so it could help in obits, marriages and other mentions of Poythresses
in North Carolina. If you anyone ever finds anything on my GG-Grandfather
David Poythress, I sure would appreciate a heads up and I would be glad to pay
for a copy of anything related to him or any of his children from the Warren
County and Vance County area.

Take care,
Elaine


_http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ncnp/counties.htm_
(http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ncnp/counties.htm)


> NC State Archives & the North Carolina State Library have a vast
> collection of NC newspapers on microfilm. If you know the approximate
> date of death, this makes it pretty easy to determine whether
> newspapers for that timeframe are extant and have been filmed



04/19/2006 5:36:00
DNA ReportJohn M. PoythressBarbara: a dynamite job!

Only concern I have: knowing your gracious sensitivity with respect to
"individual privacy" in this instance, I'll still ask if "privacy" is
really an issue that anyone in the study gives a hoot about? It was my
impression that each and everyone who has signed up for the program has
already signed off to the effect that the privacy of their individual
results was a matter of no consequence to them.

My observation (objective I think) is that the very point of the "study"
is for EACH to learn where he or she stood with respect to the
the odds of a MRCA at such and such interval and if I'm a mile closer
than Vern or Bud or whomever or a mile further away than any or all of
them it's irrelevant to me as a "privacy" issue. And closer or further
to whom is also a matter that the individual who signed up wants to know
about..and, for that matter, what "closer" or "further" means in the
first place. And from your comments elaborating on the study, the
variations thus far in volatile categories open the accuracy issue of
close or distant to a degree that makes it almost irrelevant
anyway..unless the numbers are a blowout one way or the other.

My point being that I don't really care about whether 11 out of 12 were
in such and such a "position" or 15 out of 24 were in such and such a
position. I think the guys who ponied up for the tests a) want to know
THEIR individual results, not some abstract
reckoning that means nothing to them. I seriously doubt that anyone is
going to take results with any degree of sensitivity anyway...the bottom
line being that EACH wants to know where HE or SHE stands relative to
whatever is supposed to be relevant..not "group" results.

Now, I know you may have a feeling that puts you in the perceived
position of hurting someone's feelings and I'm conscious of that. But
again, abstract numbers are meaningless to the testee...I'm betting not
a single one of us signed on to know in the abstract if 3 of 12 sheep
scored thus and such and 9 of 12 sheep scored this or that.

In order to make it possible for you to "carry water on both shoulders"
so to speak, I'd like to suggest a couple of alternatives:

1) each and every one of the testees on the wire who have no
privacy concerns send you an email confirming that. And if the
result is that everyone wires you then spread these
results out BY NAME in the overall report...which will allow you to send
out a "unified" report just as the one yesterday but delineated by names
(which, incidentally, will in and of itself
assist us in working on some genealogical mysteries).

2) if there is a single abstainer who wants to keep his numbers a
secret then devise some method of telling each member
how he or she stands with respect to the group numbers
(not names) and tell them so individually. I know this enormously jacks
up the job of volunteer coordinator and is an imposition on you.
However, I'm thinking that to not have individual results will have
rendered the entire exercise somewhat pointless.

Or do you have another option in mind? Many thanks.

Maynard

P. S. Consider this my "public release" (if that's the term) for any and
all information resulting from the study...for starters.		04/20/2006 3:00:12
Re: DNA Report & privacy questionBarbara P. NealThanks Maynard, for your feedback to me in your List message (below)
tonight.

In response, I'll share with you & our entire Poythress-List, that the
main points/issues I see are:

1. *Not* everyone has signed the company's Release Form to go with their
test samples; our only hold-out is our English participant, who I
initially understood would be signing it, but who has not done so. That
is why I call him "our English participant" rather than use his first name.

2. The majority of the Study participants are *not* subscribers to our
Poythress-List. Most of those non-Listers are only Study participants
because they did the test as a favor for a family member, or as a result
of my gentle arm-twisting. While they did sign the company's Release
forms, and I doubt if they care about our List-subscribers knowing their
first names, those folks really don't enter into our day-to-day give &
take of theories & thoughts & List messages; not all of them are even
easy to reach; some of them are not very responsive; and even *if* I
tracked them all down I kinda doubt they'd be wild about having their
names plastered about on our Poythress research website (which is what I
primarily wrote last night's piece for -- updating the info about the
Study that has been on our website, currently www.poythress.net, since
about 2003).

3. Those of you on the List who are Study participants *have all*
received your individual results from the company. Each time the company
has test results for you, they've sent you either a paper report, or
they've emailed you a link to your report on their website. Their report
to you (in whichever fashion) lists your DNA numbers for all the markers
you've had tested so far.
Think about it for a moment: Nothing prevents you from touting your
DNA numbers immediately, far & wide, to our List in a message or even
further. (I've been somewhat surprised that you haven't done so in the
past) And even without you touting them widely, you can print off or
pull out your copy of their report to you, and find youself in what I
wrote. For example, I'll use you here since you explicitly gave me
permission in your message below. Pull up (or pull out) your report &
you can readily see that you (Maynard) are:

(a) one of the numerous men matching identically in the 12-Marker
Test Results & are thus in Haplogroup R1b;

(b) in the 25-Marker Test Results section, you are *not* one of the
4-matching-men I mentioned whose ancestors went to GA, and that you
*are* one of the 2 men I mentioned in that part whose DYS-458 differed
from the "16" that the majority had. You are the man who had a "15" (&
from Bud's & my earlier communications, I don't think Bud will mind me
saying he is the one who differed as a "17")

(c) in the 37-Marker Test Results section, you can also see from your
report that you are the one GA participant who "had a difference on only
one faster mutating marker, DYS-CDYb - [with] one more repeat, 39,
versus 38 for 6 of the other 7 Haplogroup R1b participants"

Still I appreciate your point, and I've wrestled with it myself, re it
being more meaningful to the group of active researchers who subscribe
to our Poythress-List, to be able to better identify which lines are which.

Frankly, I feel more comfortable *not* referring to Study participants
by name in the *website* posting (especially since once something is
posted to a webpage it will be available on the internet forevermore,
whether at the same URL or at some "archived-URL" website).

However I don't have as much discomfort referring in List-messages to
most Study participants by name, and have previously done so. Since last
night's message was not really designed *just* for our List, I didn't
use the names there. Our List-subscribers who have followed earlier
update messages (from 2003 to recently) already know that you, Bud,
Dale, Kevin, Gene, John, Elaine's dad, & my brother Karl are Study
participants.

You & Bud are List-subscribers whose ancestors went to GA early, so
you're fairly recognizable in the update message (& even more so after
the above recap from me today). You have now ordered the 37-to-59 Marker
upgrade test; and Bud has now ordered the 25-to-59 Marker upgrade test.

Sarah (whose husband is Dale, a NC descendant of John Lewis) is a
List-subscriber; she is the logical contact-point re that family line.
Dale's 37-to-59 Marker upgrade test has been ordered.

Kevin was a List-subscriber in 9/03 when he wrote to the List about his
results on the first test. I don't think he is currently a
List-subscriber, but he has ordered the 25-to-59-marker update. He is
also a NC descendant of John Lewis, so Sarah could respond to questions
etc re that line anyway.

Gene is not a List-subscriber but with his okay in our previous
conversations, I've referred to him in List-messages as our Florida
descendant of John P. & a cousin of Linda. Gene's 37-to-59 Marker
upgrade test has been ordered.

Debbie is a List-subscriber (her half-brother John is not a subscriber;
they are descendants of William E in GA); she is the logical
contact-point regarding her family line. (He has not responded to my
message asking him about upgrading from 25 to 59 markers, and I'm not
even sure that I have a current email address for him.)

Elaine is a List-subscriber & is the logical contact-point re her dad's
line (a Mississippi descendant from David). His 37-to-59 Marker upgrade
test has been ordered.

I am the logical contact-point re my & my brother's line (Alabama
descendants from James Edward). His 37-to-59 Marker upgrade test is soon
to be ordered.

More recent Study participants are:

BPW's cousin, Victor: BPW told me when I asked last month that I can
use his name with the List; he is not a List-subscriber; he is a
descendant of David. His upgrade from 12-markers to 59-markers has just
been ordered, so his numbers only showed up in the initial 12-Marker
section of yesterday's update message.

Teresa's uncle, whose line stayed in Virginia, & who shows descent from
Lewis. His 37-to-59-Marker upgrade test has been ordered.

Lee, descendant of "Jack" Fredrick Elmo D'Auther Poythress, who we think
is descended from James R. Portis/Poythress & Sarah Crowder whose line
they formerly thought had some American Indian in it, and that turns out
to be reflected in his results (Haplogroup A) on the 37-marker test.

"Our English participant" whose 37-to-59-marker upgrade has been ordered

And there is one other Study participant who is not a List-subscriber
(At least I haven't seen any evidence of him or a family member of his
being a subscriber). He is also a descendant of William E. of Georgia,
and he is the one in last night's message who I mentioned in the
37-Marker Results "had a greater difference on that same
DYS-CDYb: he has 40 repeats on it, and he further differs on faster
mutating DYS-CDYa by having 38, versus 37 for all of the other 7
Haplogroup R1b participants..." His 37-to-59-marker upgrade has been
ordered, too. This man *is* responsive to my messages, & I'm sending a
copy of this message tonight to ask how to refer to him -- whether to
mention him by name -- in List messages.

From all the above, I think it can be clear to you who the participants
were in last night's DNA-update message:

In the 25-Marker Results section, the 4 matching men in the NC-AL-MS
group are: Dale, Kevin, my brother, and Elaine's dad. And in that same
section, the 4 men in the English-FL-GA group are our English
participant, Gene, John, and our other just-mentioned descendant of
William E. of GA. As mentioned above, you & Bud are the ones who
differed "15" and "17." Teresa's uncle is the last one mentioned in
that 25-Marker Results section.

In the 37-Marker Results section, the 3 NC-AL-MS men are Dale, my
brother, and Elaine's dad. Teresa's uncle is the next one discussed;
then our English participant; then you; then Gene; and then our other
last-mentioned descendant of William E. of GA.

This will *all* be easier to discuss in List messages when we have the
59-marker test results that most participants are getting, because then
there won't be so many participants at various (12, 25, 37) testing
levels!

All for now,
Barbara

4/20/2006 John M. Poythress wrote:
> Barbara: a dynamite job!
>
> Only concern I have: knowing your gracious sensitivity with respect to
> "individual privacy" in this instance, I'll still ask if "privacy" is
> really an issue that anyone in the study gives a hoot about? It was my
> impression that each and everyone who has signed up for the program has
> already signed off to the effect that the privacy of their individual
> results was a matter of no consequence to them.
>
> My observation (objective I think) is that the very point of the "study"
> is for EACH to learn where he or she stood with respect to the
> the odds of a MRCA at such and such interval and if I'm a mile closer
> than Vern or Bud or whomever or a mile further away than any or all of
> them it's irrelevant to me as a "privacy" issue. And closer or further
> to whom is also a matter that the individual who signed up wants to know
> about..and, for that matter, what "closer" or "further" means in the
> first place. And from your comments elaborating on the study, the
> variations thus far in volatile categories open the accuracy issue of
> close or distant to a degree that makes it almost irrelevant
> anyway..unless the numbers are a blowout one way or the other.
>
> My point being that I don't really care about whether 11 out of 12 were
> in such and such a "position" or 15 out of 24 were in such and such a
> position. I think the guys who ponied up for the tests a) want to know
> THEIR individual results, not some abstract
> reckoning that means nothing to them. I seriously doubt that anyone is
> going to take results with any degree of sensitivity anyway...the bottom
> line being that EACH wants to know where HE or SHE stands relative to
> whatever is supposed to be relevant..not "group" results.
>
> Now, I know you may have a feeling that puts you in the perceived
> position of hurting someone's feelings and I'm conscious of that. But
> again, abstract numbers are meaningless to the testee...I'm betting not
> a single one of us signed on to know in the abstract if 3 of 12 sheep
> scored thus and such and 9 of 12 sheep scored this or that.
>
> In order to make it possible for you to "carry water on both shoulders"
> so to speak, I'd like to suggest a couple of alternatives:
>
> 1) each and every one of the testees on the wire who have no
> privacy concerns send you an email confirming that. And if the
> result is that everyone wires you then spread these
> results out BY NAME in the overall report...which will allow you to send
> out a "unified" report just as the one yesterday but delineated by names
> (which, incidentally, will in and of itself
> assist us in working on some genealogical mysteries).
>
> 2) if there is a single abstainer who wants to keep his numbers a
> secret then devise some method of telling each member
> how he or she stands with respect to the group numbers
> (not names) and tell them so individually. I know this enormously jacks
> up the job of volunteer coordinator and is an imposition on you.
> However, I'm thinking that to not have individual results will have
> rendered the entire exercise somewhat pointless.
>
> Or do you have another option in mind? Many thanks.
>
> Maynard
>
> P. S. Consider this my "public release" (if that's the term) for any and
> all information resulting from the study...for starters.
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>		04/20/2006 8:23:13
North Carolina Newspapers Project with Corrected URL
Below is the corrected url for the North Carolina Newspapers Project. When I
copied the original email I had received, some of the dashes and arrows were
copied as well and made the url not work. It will work now. Sorry

Take care,
Elaine


> I thought that some of you may be interested in the below website. I
> received it from a North Carolina genealogy site, I belong to. We do have
several
> who have ancestors from North Carolina or who migrated to North Carolina
from
> Virginia and this may help in your research. If we have any researchers
in
> North Carolina, it would be wonderful, if you find any Poythresses or
other
> surnames related to the North Carolina Poythresses, to have you post what
you
> find on the Poythress Website. The below site has a listing of North
Carolina
> newspapers that have now been microfilmed and the dates that they started
> publication so it could help in obits, marriages and other mentions of
Poythresses
> in North Carolina. If you anyone ever finds anything on my GG-Grandfather
> David Poythress, I sure would appreciate a heads up and I would be glad
to pay
> for a copy of anything related to him or any of his children from the
Warren
> County and Vance County area.
>
> Take care,
> Elaine


_http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ncnp/counties.htm_
(http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ncnp/counties.htm)






04/21/2006 1:30:12
North Carolina Newspaper Project (Corrected Url Take 3)Good Grief. The second try was worse than the first. If I don't get it to
work this time, I quit. I am so sorry but I want the information on our site,
since we have North Carolina Poythress Ancestors and especially in the
Henderson and Vance County area.

Elaine

_http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ncnp/counties.htm_
(http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ncnp/counties.htm)

NC State Archives & the North Carolina State Library have a vast
collection of NC newspapers on microfilm. If you know the approximate
date of death, this makes it pretty easy to determine whether newspapers
for that timeframe are extant and have been filmed.

The microfilms can be borrowed through interlibrary loan from the State
Library:
http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/
(NOT from NC Archives - Archives however will *sell* you a duplicate of
a microfilm roll, which I think costs about $12 now).
When ordering (through Interlibrary loan, or for purchase), you just
need to let them know the specific timeframe you need so that the proper
roll of microfilm is sent.

Also, the collection at Perry Memorial Library in Henderson includes
microfilms of Vance County newspapers. If you have a specific date, it may
be worth
calling the library to find out their policy & fees regarding checking the
microfilm for a specific obit. _http://www.perrylibrary.org/_
(http://www.perrylibrary.org/)
I'm not sure if they are staffed to do much of this, but it doesn't hurt
to call and ask.		04/21/2006 4:50:02
Poythress in eastern N.C.Jerry poythressI am Jerry Poythress youngest son(born july 2nd 1956) of the late Walter J. Poythress of Havelock. I am from a family of 7 kids. My mother passed away in 1971 and my father passed away in 1998. My oldest brother is Dorman S Poythress which had 2 kids ,1 daughter,1 son. Then came Bobby which had 4 kids 2 sons, 2 daughters.Then came Wallace 3 kids,2 daughters 1 son.Then came my sister Barbara 4 kids 3 sons 1 daughter. Then came Mildred, 4 kids 2 sons 2 daughters. Then came my brother Walter Jr. 1 child which was a daughter. Then came me youngest son Jerry L. Poythress with 2 sons. Thats 20 grand children! With I think 12 great grand children. My Dads father I never new because he divorced my grandmother right after my father was born in 1914. His name was Charlie Poythress. I have heard my dad talk about his name before. Hope this helps with some of our family history. I wish I had more time to spend on the internet but I work long hrs, and two jobs. Thanks for sending me !
some of the Poythress history.		04/21/2006 4:53:22
Re: DNA ReportThanks Maynard. I agree with you 100%.
Judy
>
> From: "John M. Poythress"
> Date: 2006/04/20 Thu PM 09:00:12 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: DNA Report
>
> Barbara: a dynamite job!
>
> Only concern I have: knowing your gracious sensitivity with respect to
> "individual privacy" in this instance, I'll still ask if "privacy" is
> really an issue that anyone in the study gives a hoot about? It was my
> impression that each and everyone who has signed up for the program has
> already signed off to the effect that the privacy of their individual
> results was a matter of no consequence to them.
>
> My observation (objective I think) is that the very point of the "study"
> is for EACH to learn where he or she stood with respect to the
> the odds of a MRCA at such and such interval and if I'm a mile closer
> than Vern or Bud or whomever or a mile further away than any or all of
> them it's irrelevant to me as a "privacy" issue. And closer or further
> to whom is also a matter that the individual who signed up wants to know
> about..and, for that matter, what "closer" or "further" means in the
> first place. And from your comments elaborating on the study, the
> variations thus far in volatile categories open the accuracy issue of
> close or distant to a degree that makes it almost irrelevant
> anyway..unless the numbers are a blowout one way or the other.
>
> My point being that I don't really care about whether 11 out of 12 were
> in such and such a "position" or 15 out of 24 were in such and such a
> position. I think the guys who ponied up for the tests a) want to know
> THEIR individual results, not some abstract
> reckoning that means nothing to them. I seriously doubt that anyone is
> going to take results with any degree of sensitivity anyway...the bottom
> line being that EACH wants to know where HE or SHE stands relative to
> whatever is supposed to be relevant..not "group" results.
>
> Now, I know you may have a feeling that puts you in the perceived
> position of hurting someone's feelings and I'm conscious of that. But
> again, abstract numbers are meaningless to the testee...I'm betting not
> a single one of us signed on to know in the abstract if 3 of 12 sheep
> scored thus and such and 9 of 12 sheep scored this or that.
>
> In order to make it possible for you to "carry water on both shoulders"
> so to speak, I'd like to suggest a couple of alternatives:
>
> 1) each and every one of the testees on the wire who have no
> privacy concerns send you an email confirming that. And if the
> result is that everyone wires you then spread these
> results out BY NAME in the overall report...which will allow you to send
> out a "unified" report just as the one yesterday but delineated by names
> (which, incidentally, will in and of itself
> assist us in working on some genealogical mysteries).
>
> 2) if there is a single abstainer who wants to keep his numbers a
> secret then devise some method of telling each member
> how he or she stands with respect to the group numbers
> (not names) and tell them so individually. I know this enormously jacks
> up the job of volunteer coordinator and is an imposition on you.
> However, I'm thinking that to not have individual results will have
> rendered the entire exercise somewhat pointless.
>
> Or do you have another option in mind? Many thanks.
>
> Maynard
>
> P. S. Consider this my "public release" (if that's the term) for any and
> all information resulting from the study...for starters.
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>		04/21/2006 7:21:16
Re: North Carolina Newspapers Project - MicrofilmedElaine,
I tried to click on those sites & it said sitewas not available.
Judy
>
> From: Denver145@aol.com
> Date: 2006/04/19 Wed AM 11:36:00 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: North Carolina Newspapers Project - Microfilmed
>
> I thought that some of you may be interested in the below website. I
> received it from a North Carolina genealogy site, I belong to. We do have several
> who have ancestors from North Carolina or who migrated to North Carolina from
> Virginia and this may help in your research. If we have any researchers in
> North Carolina, it would be wonderful, if you find any Poythresses or other
> surnames related to the North Carolina Poythresses, to have you post what you
> find on the Poythress Website. The below site has a listing of North Carolina
> newspapers that have now been microfilmed and the dates that they started
> publication so it could help in obits, marriages and other mentions of Poythresses
> in North Carolina. If you anyone ever finds anything on my GG-Grandfather
> David Poythress, I sure would appreciate a heads up and I would be glad to pay
> for a copy of anything related to him or any of his children from the Warren
> County and Vance County area.
>
> Take care,
> Elaine
>
>
> _http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ncnp/counties.htm_
> (http://statelibrary.dcr.state.nc.us/ncnp/counties.htm)
>
>
> > NC State Archives & the North Carolina State Library have a vast
> > collection of NC newspapers on microfilm. If you know the approximate
> > date of death, this makes it pretty easy to determine whether
> > newspapers for that timeframe are extant and have been filmed
>
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> www.poythress.net
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>		04/21/2006 9:03:30
Re: DNA Report & privacy questionBarbara,

I am still a List subscriber, and it's fine to use my name.

Thanks for all of your hard work,

Kevin Poythress



04/21/2006 11:59:46
Re: DNA Report & privacy questionBarbara P. NealThanks, Kevin. Glad to know you're still a subscriber.
Barbara

KPoythress@aol.com wrote:
> Barbara,
>
> I am still a List subscriber, and it's fine to use my name.
>
> Thanks for all of your hard work,
> Kevin Poythress



04/22/2006 7:34:39
Re: Poythress in eastern N.C.Barbara P. NealHi Jerry & thanks so much for writing to us. Since I'm not sure whether
or not you have subscribed to our Poythress-List of emails, I'm sending
this to your email address, too. I've just found Havelock, NC in Craven
County, between New Bern & Morehead City, southeast of Raleigh & of
Greenville, for those of our List not looking at a map. Not far from
Ocracoke on the Outer Banks.

I was quite interested to learn of your family line, since it is not one
I recall us knowing of before. I've been hunting thru available
resources to see if I can help on your family line, and I need a little
more help, please.

1. Do you have any idea of what years your grandfather, Charlie
Poythress, would have been alive, or in about what year he died?
I found on the public record source, the Social Security Death Index at
RootsWeb (http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/ ) the entry re your father's death,
showing that he was born in September of 1914, and died in 1998 in
Grifton, Pitt County, NC. From your father's birth year, I'm figuring
his father, Charlie, must have been born sometime in the roughly
1870-1895 period? That's a pretty wide range, so I'm hoping you might
have some idea that would trim that down some.

2. Any idea of the name of your grandmother, who your grandfather
divorced after your father was born?

3. And/or if you know the names of any siblings of your father's, that
could help find the right family for your grandfather in the Census
records of NC.

Again, thanks so much for your email & I look forward to hearing more
from you.
Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short)

4/21/06 Jerry poythress wrote:
> I am Jerry Poythress youngest son...		04/22/2006 9:27:41
Re: Poythress in eastern N.C.Barbara P. NealSounds great, Jerry. Have a good weekend.
Barbara

4/22/06 Jerry poythress wrote:
> Got your message and will try to get you more info from my brothers and
> sisters since all my uncles and aunts have passed away. Give me a little
> time and I will contact you with info. Thanks! Jerry Poythress		04/22/2006 11:05:31
Re: Poythress in eastern N.C.Jerry poythressGot your message and will try to get you more info from my brothers and
sisters since all my uncles and aunts have passed away. Give me a little
time and I will contact you with info. Thanks! Jerry Poythress
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress in eastern N.C.


> Hi Jerry & thanks so much for writing to us. Since I'm not sure whether or
> not you have subscribed to our Poythress-List of emails, I'm sending this
> to your email address, too. I've just found Havelock, NC in Craven County,
> between New Bern & Morehead City, southeast of Raleigh & of Greenville,
> for those of our List not looking at a map. Not far from Ocracoke on the
> Outer Banks.
>
> I was quite interested to learn of your family line, since it is not one I
> recall us knowing of before. I've been hunting thru available resources to
> see if I can help on your family line, and I need a little more help,
> please.
>
> 1. Do you have any idea of what years your grandfather, Charlie Poythress,
> would have been alive, or in about what year he died?
> I found on the public record source, the Social Security Death Index at
> RootsWeb (http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/ ) the entry re your father's death,
> showing that he was born in September of 1914, and died in 1998 in
> Grifton, Pitt County, NC. From your father's birth year, I'm figuring his
> father, Charlie, must have been born sometime in the roughly 1870-1895
> period? That's a pretty wide range, so I'm hoping you might have some idea
> that would trim that down some.
>
> 2. Any idea of the name of your grandmother, who your grandfather divorced
> after your father was born?
>
> 3. And/or if you know the names of any siblings of your father's, that
> could help find the right family for your grandfather in the Census
> records of NC.
>
> Again, thanks so much for your email & I look forward to hearing more from
> you.
> Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short)
>
> 4/21/06 Jerry poythress wrote:
> > I am Jerry Poythress youngest son...
>
>
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>
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>
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Re: Poythress in eastern N.C.BRUCE PORTERJerry,
This might help in your search for information:

Juanita Peterson Poythress (aka Nita Peters) b.3/17/1892 d. 2/24/1980 m. Jarrett Poythress b. 11/12/1880 d. 7/12/1945. She also m . Odie James Whaley. I think Poythress was 1st then Whaley but some research on internet says Whaley 1st then Poythress.

Children were: Josephine Poythress, Alma Poythress, Sue Poythress, Richard Poythress, Bruce Poythress Whaley and Sanford Poythress. I think according to Jarrett's daughter by his 2nd marriage the children above were Jarrett's but took the Whaley name in some cases.

Jarrett Poythress m. 2nd Mary Scott Jarrell, 1/20/1926 Weldon, NC. Their daughter, Juanita Poythress Zdun b. 4/19/1932.

One of Jarrett's brothers was Charles Lee Poythress who is my husbands gr grandfather.


----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry poythress
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress in eastern N.C.


Got your message and will try to get you more info from my brothers and
sisters since all my uncles and aunts have passed away. Give me a little
time and I will contact you with info. Thanks! Jerry Poythress
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal" >
To: >
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress in eastern N.C.


> Hi Jerry & thanks so much for writing to us. Since I'm not sure whether or
> not you have subscribed to our Poythress-List of emails, I'm sending this
> to your email address, too. I've just found Havelock, NC in Craven County,
> between New Bern & Morehead City, southeast of Raleigh & of Greenville,
> for those of our List not looking at a map. Not far from Ocracoke on the
> Outer Banks.
>
> I was quite interested to learn of your family line, since it is not one I
> recall us knowing of before. I've been hunting thru available resources to
> see if I can help on your family line, and I need a little more help,
> please.
>
> 1. Do you have any idea of what years your grandfather, Charlie Poythress,
> would have been alive, or in about what year he died?
> I found on the public record source, the Social Security Death Index at
> RootsWeb (http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/ ) the entry re your father's death,
> showing that he was born in September of 1914, and died in 1998 in
> Grifton, Pitt County, NC. From your father's birth year, I'm figuring his
> father, Charlie, must have been born sometime in the roughly 1870-1895
> period? That's a pretty wide range, so I'm hoping you might have some idea
> that would trim that down some.
>
> 2. Any idea of the name of your grandmother, who your grandfather divorced
> after your father was born?
>
> 3. And/or if you know the names of any siblings of your father's, that
> could help find the right family for your grandfather in the Census
> records of NC.
>
> Again, thanks so much for your email & I look forward to hearing more from
> you.
> Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short)
>
> 4/21/06 Jerry poythress wrote:
> > I am Jerry Poythress youngest son...
>
>
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> Visit www.poythress.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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www.poythress.net		04/23/2006 5:32:31
DNA Report now on websiteBarbara P. NealDear All,

Thanks to our webmaster Al Tims for getting the new update regarding our
Poythress-Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study posted to our Poythress Research
website, which is located at:
http://www.poythress.net/

From that main page, click on "DNA Project" in the column on the left
side of the page. To see this newly-updated version of the DNA Study
info, you may have to hit "Reload" or "Refresh" in your browser;
otherwise you may get the old version of info posted about the Study in
2003.

Thanks so much, Al!
Barbara		04/23/2006 12:01:46
Poythress Drug Co bottle photoBarbara P. NealDear All,
Thanks to our webmaster Al Tims for getting the photo of the Poythress
Drug Company (of Richmond, VA) back up on our Poythress Research
website at:
http://www.poythress.net/

It is the last image in the "Family Photographs & Artifacts" gallery,
which you access from the column at the left side of the main page.

To see this newly-added image, you will probably have to hit "Reload" or
"Refresh" in your browser once you are at Family Photographs page, since
your computer will probably just bring up the webpage that you *last*
saw when you were there.

Thanks so much, Al.
Barbara



04/23/2006 12:02:40
British additions to Poythress Research WebsiteBarbara P. NealDear all,

Thanks so much to our webmaster Al Tims for adding to our website today
the various items from our old site related to research in England. They
are just below the 17th century records, in a new section called
"Research in England: Notes, Artifacts & Documents."

Our website is at:
http://www.poythress.net/
To see this new section listed in the column on the left side of the
main page, you will probably have to hit "Reload" or "Refresh" in your
browser once you are at the webpage, since your computer will probably
just bring up the webpage that you *last* saw when you were there.

Al has included the 1609 Baptism image for the 12 July 1609 baptism of
Francis son of John Poythres. He also has included items from Liz Jack
(a researcher in England who he hired several years ago to do a little
Poythress digging), and from Pat and Maurice Crewe. (Pat is a descendant
from Christopher, brother of Francis.)

Al also found today, via Google, a reference to Ploddy House which was
owned by John Poythres in the first half of the 1600s. In an item that
was originally posted on Friday 6th Jun 2003: "A garden to visit --
The garden at Ploddy House, on the B4216 (Culver Street) between Newent
and Huntley, will be open on behalf of St Mary's Church this Sunday from
2pm to 6pm. There will be a plant sale and cream teas will be on offer."
That was found at:
http://archive.thisisherefordshire.co.uk/2003/6/6/

That item gives me hope that someday some of us may be able to visit the
grounds of Ploddy House, if fortunate in timing a trip to coincide with
some possible future opening of the garden.

Thanks so much, Al!
Barbara		04/23/2006 12:06:15
Re: Poythress in eastern N.C.Jerry poythressThanks for info.Checking with older brother to see if he has any info,
----- Original Message -----
From: "BRUCE PORTER"
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Poythress in eastern N.C.


> Jerry,
> This might help in your search for information:
>
> Juanita Peterson Poythress (aka Nita Peters) b.3/17/1892 d. 2/24/1980 m.
> Jarrett Poythress b. 11/12/1880 d. 7/12/1945. She also m . Odie James
> Whaley. I think Poythress was 1st then Whaley but some research on
> internet says Whaley 1st then Poythress.
>
> Children were: Josephine Poythress, Alma Poythress, Sue Poythress, Richard
> Poythress, Bruce Poythress Whaley and Sanford Poythress. I think
> according to Jarrett's daughter by his 2nd marriage the children above
> were Jarrett's but took the Whaley name in some cases.
>
> Jarrett Poythress m. 2nd Mary Scott Jarrell, 1/20/1926 Weldon, NC. Their
> daughter, Juanita Poythress Zdun b. 4/19/1932.
>
> One of Jarrett's brothers was Charles Lee Poythress who is my husbands gr
> grandfather.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jerry poythress
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Poythress in eastern N.C.
>
>
> Got your message and will try to get you more info from my brothers and
> sisters since all my uncles and aunts have passed away. Give me a little
> time and I will contact you with info. Thanks! Jerry Poythress
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barbara P. Neal"
> >
> To: >
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 5:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Poythress in eastern N.C.
>
>
> > Hi Jerry & thanks so much for writing to us. Since I'm not sure whether
> or
> > not you have subscribed to our Poythress-List of emails, I'm sending
> this
> > to your email address, too. I've just found Havelock, NC in Craven
> County,
> > between New Bern & Morehead City, southeast of Raleigh & of Greenville,
> > for those of our List not looking at a map. Not far from Ocracoke on
> the
> > Outer Banks.
> >
> > I was quite interested to learn of your family line, since it is not
> one I
> > recall us knowing of before. I've been hunting thru available resources
> to
> > see if I can help on your family line, and I need a little more help,
> > please.
> >
> > 1. Do you have any idea of what years your grandfather, Charlie
> Poythress,
> > would have been alive, or in about what year he died?
> > I found on the public record source, the Social Security Death Index at
> > RootsWeb (http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/ ) the
> entry re your father's death,
> > showing that he was born in September of 1914, and died in 1998 in
> > Grifton, Pitt County, NC. From your father's birth year, I'm figuring
> his
> > father, Charlie, must have been born sometime in the roughly 1870-1895
> > period? That's a pretty wide range, so I'm hoping you might have some
> idea
> > that would trim that down some.
> >
> > 2. Any idea of the name of your grandmother, who your grandfather
> divorced
> > after your father was born?
> >
> > 3. And/or if you know the names of any siblings of your father's, that
> > could help find the right family for your grandfather in the Census
> > records of NC.
> >
> > Again, thanks so much for your email & I look forward to hearing more
> from
> > you.
> > Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short)
> >
> > 4/21/06 Jerry poythress wrote:
> > > I am Jerry Poythress youngest son...
> >
> >
> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> > Visit www.poythress.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > o learn more about Rootsweb please visit
> http://www.rootsweb.com/
> >
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[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Always Online The High Speed Internet Service]		04/24/2006 5:48:17
Wall St. Journal on DNAJohn M. PoythressIf you did NOT receive the email pasted below and would like
to have a copy of the article mentioned just send me
a blank email at this hot link: brerfox@bellsouth.net
...and I will promptly reply with a return email containing
the
attachment.

Thanks,

Maynard

To those on my email address list:

I am attaching for each of you a copy of a DNA article that
appears in today's Wall St. Journal. As might be expected
in
a general interest type article, it is likely more
interesting than it is instructive. But interesting to me
it was..and I thought
it might be interesting to you as well.

Several thoughts struck me as I read this article:

++++ interesting that the author was in our own rather
common British Isles R1b haplogroup...but no particular
surprise.

++++ the author mentions access to a "generalized" DNA
database that can be "searched" for matches among the
general
population..which was how he found his still
mysterious "Mr. Rutherford." I had not heard of this and
wondered if that
might be a string to pull on only once just to see
if there was something there. Is this news to you, Barbara?

++++ I took note that Family Tree DNA (our supplier)
"automatically does a SNP test if 12 or more tested markers
on the
Y chromosome show a pattern that hasn't already
been SNP tested, at no extra cost. I'm surmising that it's
thus likely
our haplogroup is common enough to already have our
theoretical Stone Age progenitor..wonder if there is
anything
in the testing done or testing to come that might
(if not by "name" ) at least lead us to generally where
"our guy's" cave
might have been? ...shoot, I'd even settle for
where Francis hung out in Newent.


I am attaching this article to those for whom I have an
email address. I elected to do so because sending it to
the group posed the usual problems. The Rootsweb pipeline
won't accommodate an attachment. I could have posted the
article to an email itself
but that converts it to text which is something of a mess to
read.

I'll send a separate email to the Rootsweb address asking
any who aren't on my mailing list and would be interested in
having a
copy of this article to simply address a blank email to me
to which I'll reply with the attachment.

Maynard		04/24/2006 9:39:21
Re: Poythress in eastern N.C.Jerry poythressRichard(Dick) Poythress, Bruce Poythress (Went by Whaley last name), Sanford
Poythress, and my Dad Walter Poythress.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress in eastern N.C.


> Jerry, please give us the first names you already know of, for your
> deceased Poythress uncles. That will help a lot, for us to help you.
> Thanks,
> Barbara
>
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Re: Poythress in eastern N.C.Barbara P. NealJerry, please give us the first names you already know of, for your
deceased Poythress uncles. That will help a lot, for us to help you. Thanks,
Barbara



04/25/2006 4:54:40
Brunswick County, VA Heritage BookBarbara P. NealThe Southside Virginia Genealogical Society (located in South Hill, VA)
has announced they will publish a Brunswick County, Virginia Heritage
Book. They urge folks to start getting together their articles on their
Brunswick County ancestors and family lines.

No deadline date has yet been announced. Article instructions will
*probably* be similar to their instructions for the Mecklenburg Co, VA
Heritage Book, which I sent to this List re that book last Fall in
messages whose captions contained the phrase Heritage Book.

The SVGS website is located at www.rootsweb.com/~vassvgs

Barbara






04/26/2006 7:27:02
Re: Wall St. Journal on DNABarbara P. NealThanks, Maynard, for alerting us to this article & helping us see a copy
of it. You commented & asked me:
"the author mentions access to a generalized DNA database
that can be searched for matches among the general
population, which was how he found his still mysterious Mr.
Rutherford. I had not heard of this and wondered if that
might be a string to pull on only once just to see if there
was something there. Is this news to you, Barbara?"

For info on the 2 DNA databases that I am aware of, and for other
helpful sources of info on DNA, see my message I'll be sending later
today captioned "More DNA info: Ysearch; YBase.org; Genealogy-DNA-L;
and Facts & Genes Newsletter"

Re your comment noting that the author of the article mentioned that
"FamilyTreeDNA does a SNP test if 12 or more tested markers
on the Y chromosome show a pattern that hasn't already
been SNP tested, at no extra cost, and your accompanying
surmise that it's likely our haplogroup is common enough
to already have our theoretical Stone Age progenitor &
wonder if there is anything in the testing done or
testing to come that might at least lead us to generally
where our progenitor lived"

That info certainly might be known, but I'll admit I'm unaware of it. I
don't know of any progenitor-location more specific than the British
Isles for the R1b Haplogroup, but then I have not read up specifically
on the SNP test. If you do so (whether via the sources of info mentioned
in my other message, or by doing further research on the internet), I'll
be glad to learn what you find.

Cheers,
Barbara Poythress Neal		04/30/2006 10:16:14
DNA: Ysearch.org; YBase.org; Genealogy-DNA-L; and Facts & Genes NewsletterBarbara P. NealThis message is from your Volunteer Group Administrator (Barbara
Poythress Neal) of our Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA Group Study.
It's written in response to Maynard's wish for more info after reading
the Wall St Journal article that he alerted us to last week.

I am aware of 2 databases where thousands of men who've had their DNA
tested have registered their DNA results:

One of those database sites is sponsored by FamilyTreeDNA: Ysearch.
You can connect to this database to search it (or to contribute your own
readings to it confidentially) about halfway down the main page of
FamilyTreeDNA, which is (www.familytreedna.com ) Just click on Ysearch
there. With this database two Poythress folks are already registered -
both shown as descendants of John Lewis Poythress (probably both
participants in our Study). One User put my name as the Contact Person.
I've asked that User to please edit my name out, since when anyone
clicks on the link to send an email to that User, the email goes to the
person who registered there, not to me. (I do plan to register my own
line's DNA readings there, and may list for that entry the "Contact
Person" name of BPN.)

While you are at Ysearch, you can get a world map of all the locations
where any particular Haplogroup is located, based on folks of that
Haplogroup who have registered with Ysearch. Kinda neat.

The other database site I've learned of, is one sponsored by DNA
Heritage: www.ybase.org
This one currently has no Poythress or Poytress registered there, though
it does have various P surnames that may be of interest to some of you:
Portas; Porteous; Porteus; Porthouse; Portice; Portis; Portteus; Portus.

At this one, YBase, the format lists the DNA readings in an order
somewhat shuffled from the order we got our results in. So if you are
trying to compare readings for our participants with any of the above
names, be sure to read the directions about converting our GATA-H4
reading to the YBase TAGA-H4 reading.

Maynard, you & any of our other Study participants, are welcome to
register at either/both of those databases.

OTHER DNA INFO:
A lot of other info about DNA is available at the main FamilyTreeDNA
website, www.familytreedna.com Just keep clicking on all the various
links from the main homesite, and from within each of the places you get
from there; you can learn a lot.

Anyone can subscribe to their approximately-monthly newsletter, Facts &
Genes. One signs up for it at:
http://www.familytreeDNA.com/fgregister.asp

And past issues of that newsletter cover many issues. Those can be found
online at FamilyTreeDNA.com, or just use this link for the past issues
of Facts & Genes:
http://www.familytreeDNA.com/facts_genes.asp?act=past

OTHER SOURCES FOR DNA INFO:
Anyone can also search the Archives of GENEALOGY-DNA-L, which is a
subscription email List hosted by RootsWeb. There are 2 ways to search
the Archives of GENEALOGY-DNA-L (just as there are 2 ways to search our
own Poythress-List):

1. You can *search* the GENEALOGY-DNA-L archives for any query-word, at:
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=GENEALOGY-DNA

2. You can *browse* the GENEALOGY-DNA-L archives, by year & month,
looking thru the subject-lines of messages & clicking on any that look
interesting, at:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GENEALOGY-DNA/

Of course anyone can also subscribe to their RootsWeb-hosted
email-subscription list -- but I would only recommend that for those
interested in reading a LOT of messages. I tried it for a while in 2003
when there were about 1,000 emails each month. Now there are about 2,500
emails each month! Anyone interested in subscribing should send a
message just captioned "subscribe" (with no further content) to either:
GENEALOGY-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com
or
GENEALOGY-DNA-D-request@rootsweb.com (for the digest version)		04/30/2006 10:48:24
Re: Poythress Drug Co bottle photoBarbara P. NealHow neat, Teresa. Glad that your Uncle Neil was able to be there when
the store closed, to get the bottles. I'll look forward to seeing the
photos. Interesting to see what you believe the building is now used as,
& what it's called; sorry I haven't seen the building myself.
Barbara



05/03/2006 8:55:31
Re: Poythress Drug Co bottle photoBarbara,
Uncle Neil was here this past weekend and was telling me that he has some of
the Poythress Drug Co bottles. He has 2 that have never been opened. He is
going to try to get me some pictures to post. His are not as old as the one
pictured on the website.
He got these from the owner of the store when they closed. He actually went
in one day when they were cleaning up and packing the stuff up and told them
he was a Poythress, and they gave him the bottles.
I believe the building is now used as apartments, and is called the
Poythress Building, correct?
Teresa		05/03/2006 10:36:13
Indians....John M. Poythress...apparently we are STILL negotiating..although I doubt if
this guy will drive the bargain that Peter Poythress likely
did

http://www.maderatribune.com/news/newsview.asp?c=185086

Maynard		05/05/2006 1:17:19
Re: Poythress in eastern N.C.Barbara P. NealJerry, sorry I've been traveling & away from computers for a while.
Thanks for sending the names of your deceased Poythress uncles on 4/25.
You wrote
> Richard(Dick) Poythress, Bruce Poythress (Went by Whaley last name),
> Sanford Poythress, and my Dad Walter Poythress.

Now actually, from Bruce's message on 4/23 (copied at the bottom here),
I kinda wonder if some of the above Poythress men might include your
great-uncles -- your Dad's uncles?

Also, you might want to check out the photos of some Poythress ancestors
at our Poythress Research website at www.Poythress.net (on the left
side of the main page, click on "Family Photographs & Artifacts") to see
if the photo of Charles Lee Poythress, or the photo of his brother Jenie
Warren Poythress, or the photo of Claner Mason Poythress (one of the
sons of Charles Lee Poythress) look anything like your Dad, Walter
Poythress. All those folks are related to Bruce's family.

Let me know what you think.
Cheers,
Barbara
BRUCE PORTER wrote:
> Jerry, This might help in your search for information:
>
> Juanita Peterson Poythress (aka Nita Peters) b.3/17/1892 d.
> 2/24/1980 m. Jarrett Poythress b. 11/12/1880 d. 7/12/1945. She also m
> . Odie James Whaley. I think Poythress was 1st then Whaley but some
> research on internet says Whaley 1st then Poythress.
>
> Children were: Josephine Poythress, Alma Poythress, Sue Poythress,
> Richard Poythress, Bruce Poythress Whaley and Sanford Poythress. I
> think according to Jarrett's daughter by his 2nd marriage the
> children above were Jarrett's but took the Whaley name in some cases.
>
> Jarrett Poythress m. 2nd Mary Scott Jarrell, 1/20/1926 Weldon, NC.
> Their daughter, Juanita Poythress Zdun b. 4/19/1932.
>
> One of Jarrett's brothers was Charles Lee Poythress who is my
> husbands gr grandfather.		05/10/2006 12:01:46
DNA Haplogroup updateBarbara P. NealRecently Maynard alerted us to a story in the Wall Street Journal about
Y-DNA. In that story, the author mentioned that he was in the R1b
Haplogroup, a rather common grouping from the British Isles. As Maynard
mentioned, this was the same Haplogroup as most of our
Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study participants.

Yesterday I noticed that FamilyTreeDNA has now further refined our own
Haplogroup to R1b1. I'm not sure what recent day this Haplogroup label
changed to show the further refinement of our part of the larger R1b
grouping, but it shows on each of the formerly-just-R1b participant's
personal page at the FamilyTreeDNA website.

Barbara Poythress Neal, Volunteer Group Administrator of the
Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study		05/11/2006 11:16:39
1903 Poythress birth in TexasBarbara P. NealBud, thanks for alerting me to the birth that showed up in the Dec 10,
1903 issue of The Dallas Morning News, showing that on Dec 4 a boy was
born to J.H. & Minnie B. Poythress of 969 (or 989?) Rose Avenue. I
appreciate knowing about TheOldenTimes.com website for Historic
Newspapers Online, where you found it:

http://theoldentimes.com/dalbir121003.html		05/17/2006 3:22:39
FW: Family Tree DNA 59 Marker UpdateJohn M. PoythressShoot, I was holding out for the Ginzu steak knives.
Maynard

-----Original Message-----
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To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Family Tree DNA 59 Marker Update

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The World's only website dedicated to Genealogy by Genetics		05/19/2006 2:25:03
Cornell U. Making of AmericaJohn M. PoythressI recently sent to those of you for whom I have an email
address an interesting article.
It is an 1897 article about Col. & Mrs. Peter Poythress
giving a "Hunt Supper" for
Col. George Washington in a year preceding the Revolution.

Unfortunately, I have a PC problem. When I try to send an
attachment to multiple people
the attachment doesn't travel through the pipe. However, if
I send it as a one-fer MS Word
attached document it seems to travel okay.

For those of you who either didn't get the original email or
did get the original email but not
the attachment, I will be happy to send it to you
individually just sent me an email to that
effect and I will respond to you alone with the attachment.

Sorry for the technical problem. Incidentally, Al Tims will
be posting the article to the
Poythress.net web page shortly.

Best,

Maynard		05/27/2006 3:52:23
RE: Cornell U. Making of AmericaJLPMaynard, can't argue with that, except to say that's a pretty good
stretch on the term "neighbor." And it's pretty clear from the last
paragraph, 1st column, on page 486, that old George had been something
of a frequent visitor to Colonel Poythress. Maybe, though, GW visited
the Poythress house when he was doing business in Williamsburg? But,
then, on the other hand, the second paragraph, 2nd column, page 486,
suggests that "Madam Poythress" was a close personal friend of Martha
Washington...

Is it possible that Colonel Poythress also owned property in Fairfax
County, and that this hunt supper was arranged when they were visiting
this other property? (Probably not likely, but still possible, unless
we can prove he didn't own property there.)

Maybe the only way to know for sure is to locate some of the other
people in attendance and who were named: Mr. Nimrod Snow, Mr.
"Ffoliot," Parson Thorowgood, Captain Jeffrey Flower, and/or Hugh
Poythress.

Good riddle...

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 6:57 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Cornell U. Making of America


Lou....yes BUT, Peter was "of Branchester (PG County) and
it's tough to believe a guy living way up in Fairfax County could
marry off 7 or 8 daughters "IN" PG County with all the attendant
press, etc. without living there, isn't it? He's referred to at
virtually every wedding announcement in VA
Gazette (I'm going on memory here) as "Col. Peter Poythress, either
"of" or "late of" PG County.

He shows as Justice for PG Court in 1764, 1769, 1771 and
1774. He's Burgess for PG in 69, 71, 72 and 73. He's
on Vestry of Martin's Brandon 1770 and he resigns his
seat as PG representative to the General Assembly in 1776 because of
poor health and dies there in 1785.

I just don't see any way we can let this guy out of PG
County, do you?

I suspect he was a close neighbor just like all those ladies
considered everyone in society their "close friends", wouldn't you?

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:txgeezer@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 6:13 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Cornell U. Making of America

Deloris:

Date? The article specifically mentions the Stamp Act which
was passed in 1765, so it was after this. Maynard - by good deductive
logic, and in a separate message - thinks it must have been closer to
1774. It was certainly before the Declaration of Independence by at
least several months, else they'd not have been drinking a toast to
the King.

Place? The article specifically mentions George Washington
as being a "neighbor from Mount Vernon." Other sentences
give clues that Mount Vernon was a NEAR neighbor. So it appears to
have taken place in Fairfax County.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 4:56 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Cornell U. Making of America


This has nothing to do with the "Hunt Supper" but I find it
interesting that, supposedly, Sloman Wynne, grandson of Colonel Robert
Wynne,served in the militia under Colonel George Washington. Sloman
died in Sussex Co., VA in 1760/61. Wouldn't this have been the Sussex
Co. militia and since Sloman's son and his children were again,
supposedly, loyal to the King, I suppose at the time Sloman served
under Washington there were no "ill feelings" against the King?
Another question, in what county and when was the Hunt Supper Held? (I
did not receive the article). Deloris Wynne-Riley
delorisriley@satx.rr.com




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RE: Cornell U. Making of AmericaJohn M. PoythressLou....yes BUT, Peter was "of Branchester (PG County) and
it's tough to believe a guy living way up in Fairfax County
could marry off 7 or 8 daughters "IN" PG County with all the
attendant press, etc. without living there, isn't it? He's
referred to at virtually every wedding announcement in VA
Gazette (I'm going on memory here) as "Col. Peter Poythress,
either "of" or "late of" PG County.

He shows as Justice for PG Court in 1764, 1769, 1771 and
1774. He's Burgess for PG in 69, 71, 72 and 73. He's
on Vestry of Martin's Brandon 1770 and he resigns his
seat as PG representative to the General Assembly in 1776
because of poor health and dies there in 1785.

I just don't see any way we can let this guy out of PG
County, do you?

I suspect he was a close neighbor just like all those ladies
considered everyone in society their "close friends",
wouldn't you?

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:txgeezer@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 6:13 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Cornell U. Making of America

Deloris:

Date? The article specifically mentions the Stamp Act which
was passed in 1765, so it was after this. Maynard - by good
deductive logic, and in a separate message - thinks it must
have been closer to 1774. It was certainly before the
Declaration of Independence by at least several months, else
they'd not have been drinking a toast to the King.

Place? The article specifically mentions George Washington
as being a "neighbor from Mount Vernon." Other sentences
give clues that Mount Vernon was a NEAR neighbor. So it
appears to have taken place in Fairfax County.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 4:56 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Cornell U. Making of America


This has nothing to do with the "Hunt Supper" but I find it
interesting that, supposedly, Sloman Wynne, grandson of
Colonel Robert
Wynne,served in the militia under Colonel George Washington.
Sloman
died in Sussex Co., VA in 1760/61. Wouldn't this have been
the Sussex
Co. militia and since Sloman's son and his children were
again,
supposedly, loyal to the King, I suppose at the time Sloman
served
under Washington there were no "ill feelings" against the
King?
Another question, in what county and when was the Hunt
Supper Held?
(I did not receive the article). Deloris Wynne-Riley
delorisriley@satx.rr.com




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www.poythress.net		05/28/2006 1:56:40
RE: Cornell U. Making of AmericaJLPMaynard, for whatever it's worth, I never received your original
email, much less the attached article (maybe because my email address
has recently changed). But since the article is now posted on the
Poythress web site, you shouldn't have to worry about anyone having
access to it.

Which Peter Poythress was involved in this "Hunt Supper"? The
introduction to the article states that this Peter Poythress was the
grandson of the immigrant Francis. That has to be wrong, doesn't it?
I'd guess that the Peter Poythress in the article would have had to
have been the great-grandson, or even the great-great-grandson of the
immigrant, i.e., one or two generations farther removed.

Also for what it's worth, I thought that since Peter Poythress
obviously was a close acquaintance of George Washington, he just might
be listed in some of the copious papers of George Washington - most
probably in one of his diaries or letters. These are almost all
on-line with an index search feature here:

http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/project/volumes/index.html

And here:

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gwhtml/gwseries1.html#D

Alas, I could not find any mention of any Poythress using the search
function. I will note, too, that there is a 5 to 6 year gap in
Washington's diaries. One diary covers the period: January 1 - June
19, 1775, while the next diary in the sequence covers the period: May
1 - August 14, 1781.

I cannot figure out exactly when the "hunt supper" in the article was
supposed to have occurred. Did I just miss seeing it? Is there any
clue better than just before the war?

Lou Poole


-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 8:52 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Cornell U. Making of America


I recently sent to those of you for whom I have an email address an
interesting article. It is an 1897 article about Col. & Mrs. Peter
Poythress giving a "Hunt Supper" for Col. George Washington in a year
preceding the Revolution.

Unfortunately, I have a PC problem. When I try to send an attachment
to multiple people the attachment doesn't travel through the pipe.
However, if I send it as a one-fer MS Word attached document it seems
to travel okay.

For those of you who either didn't get the original email or did get
the original email but not
the attachment, I will be happy to send it to you
individually just sent me an email to that
effect and I will respond to you alone with the attachment.

Sorry for the technical problem. Incidentally, Al Tims will
be posting the article to the
Poythress.net web page shortly.

Best,

Maynard



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www.poythress.net		05/28/2006 5:18:27
RE: Cornell U. Making of AmericaJohn M. PoythressLou, you are exactly right. Without question the guy is
Batte 281 and is the great-grandson of Francis, not the
grandson.....I guess I just didn't count the top line when
counting 1-2-3 down my Batte chart. It would be Francis>
John>Robert>Peter.

Too late to change this, Al??? Thanks.

I love your new address albeit it probably fits me better.
I'll change my book.

I'll check the links you provided.

Many thanks,

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: JLP [mailto:txgeezer@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 12:18 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Cornell U. Making of America

Maynard, for whatever it's worth, I never received your
original
email, much less the attached article (maybe because my
email address
has recently changed). But since the article is now posted
on the
Poythress web site, you shouldn't have to worry about anyone
having
access to it.

Which Peter Poythress was involved in this "Hunt Supper"?
The
introduction to the article states that this Peter Poythress
was the
grandson of the immigrant Francis. That has to be wrong,
doesn't it?
I'd guess that the Peter Poythress in the article would have
had to
have been the great-grandson, or even the
great-great-grandson of the
immigrant, i.e., one or two generations farther removed.

Also for what it's worth, I thought that since Peter
Poythress
obviously was a close acquaintance of George Washington, he
just might
be listed in some of the copious papers of George Washington
- most
probably in one of his diaries or letters. These are almost
all
on-line with an index search feature here:

http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/project/volumes/index.html

And here:

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gwhtml/gwseries1.html#D

Alas, I could not find any mention of any Poythress using
the search
function. I will note, too, that there is a 5 to 6 year gap
in
Washington's diaries. One diary covers the period: January
1 - June
19, 1775, while the next diary in the sequence covers the
period: May
1 - August 14, 1781.

I cannot figure out exactly when the "hunt supper" in the
article was
supposed to have occurred. Did I just miss seeing it? Is
there any
clue better than just before the war?

Lou Poole


-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 8:52 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Cornell U. Making of America


I recently sent to those of you for whom I have an email
address an
interesting article. It is an 1897 article about Col. & Mrs.
Peter
Poythress giving a "Hunt Supper" for Col. George Washington
in a year
preceding the Revolution.

Unfortunately, I have a PC problem. When I try to send an
attachment
to multiple people the attachment doesn't travel through the
pipe.
However, if I send it as a one-fer MS Word attached document
it seems
to travel okay.

For those of you who either didn't get the original email or
did get
the original email but not
the attachment, I will be happy to send it to you
individually just sent me an email to that
effect and I will respond to you alone with the attachment.

Sorry for the technical problem. Incidentally, Al Tims will
be posting the article to the
Poythress.net web page shortly.

Best,

Maynard



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more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/		05/28/2006 6:43:50
A Hunt SupperJohn M. PoythressThe date of the thing?...gee, Lou, you got any easy
questions?

I'll take a whack at it...INTERNAL evidence:

1. well, "Miss Betty" (RBB 261 2) was born 1759 and if
she's old enough to be (hopelessly) woo'ed by the
Englishman as described and reveals "curves
of.unrivaled loveliness" let's make her at least 15 or 16
which would put us at 1774 or thereabouts.
I'm reluctant to push the date out much further or George
Washington wouldn't be a complimentary
colonel, he'd be a real general of the revolutionary war.

2. further supporting that "Miss Betty" is of some age
is the "daughters of the house"..."who appeared to
all be reckoned as scions of the family
tree." We know Miss Betty had one older sister and
eventually
at least 6 younger ones likely part of the
"bevy" which would make Elizabeth likely more than a child.

3. it's not in the dead of winter: "the wide fireplace,
having accomplished its winter duty, etc." Sconces held
"sprays of laurel leaves" and the fireplace
contained "flowering shrubs of the season." Early to
mid-fall is
traditional hunting season so that would
seem to have the best possibilities.

4. it's pre-1776 or George Washington, no matter how
reluctantly, wouldn't be inclined to toast the King.


Why is this internal detail important? Well, because the
EXTERNAL evidence (Washington's diary) is all photographs
of pages so one has to just page through the entries for 6
or 8 years worth of days looking for something Washington
would almost certainly recorded however briefly..which was
his inclination. And it sure helps to cut down the time
frame.

All I have found so far is an entry for 3 Nov 1774: "at Col
Poyters all day taking Bonds and making Conveyances."
I'll keep looking; if anybody finds anything please shout.
Thanks.

Maynard		05/28/2006 10:38:30
RE: Cornell U. Making of AmericaDeloris RileyThis has nothing to do with the "Hunt Supper" but I find it interesting
that, supposedly, Sloman Wynne, grandson of Colonel Robert Wynne,served
in the militia under Colonel George Washington. Sloman died in Sussex
Co., VA in 1760/61. Wouldn't this have been the Sussex Co. militia and
since Sloman's son and his children were again, supposedly, loyal to the
King, I suppose at the time Sloman served under Washington there were no
"ill feelings" against the King? Another question, in what county and
when was the Hunt Supper Held? (I did not receive the article).
Deloris Wynne-Riley delorisriley@satx.rr.com

-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 8:52 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Cornell U. Making of America


I recently sent to those of you for whom I have an email address an
interesting article. It is an 1897 article about Col. & Mrs. Peter
Poythress giving a "Hunt Supper" for Col. George Washington in a year
preceding the Revolution.

Unfortunately, I have a PC problem. When I try to send an attachment to
multiple people the attachment doesn't travel through the pipe.
However, if I send it as a one-fer MS Word attached document it seems to
travel okay.

For those of you who either didn't get the original email or did get the
original email but not
the attachment, I will be happy to send it to you
individually just sent me an email to that
effect and I will respond to you alone with the attachment.

Sorry for the technical problem. Incidentally, Al Tims will
be posting the article to the
Poythress.net web page shortly.

Best,

Maynard



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www.poythress.net		05/28/2006 10:55:30
RE: Cornell U. Making of AmericaJLPDeloris:

Date? The article specifically mentions the Stamp Act which was passed
in 1765, so it was after this. Maynard - by good deductive logic, and
in a separate message - thinks it must have been closer to 1774. It
was certainly before the Declaration of Independence by at least
several months, else they'd not have been drinking a toast to the
King.

Place? The article specifically mentions George Washington as being a
"neighbor from Mount Vernon." Other sentences give clues that Mount
Vernon was a NEAR neighbor. So it appears to have taken place in
Fairfax County.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 4:56 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Cornell U. Making of America


This has nothing to do with the "Hunt Supper" but I find it
interesting that, supposedly, Sloman Wynne, grandson of Colonel Robert
Wynne,served in the militia under Colonel George Washington. Sloman
died in Sussex Co., VA in 1760/61. Wouldn't this have been the Sussex
Co. militia and since Sloman's son and his children were again,
supposedly, loyal to the King, I suppose at the time Sloman served
under Washington there were no "ill feelings" against the King?
Another question, in what county and when was the Hunt Supper Held?
(I did not receive the article). Deloris Wynne-Riley
delorisriley@satx.rr.com		05/28/2006 11:13:03
Hunt SupperJohn M. PoythressA terrific adjunct to searching Cornell's Making of America
is to google the author Mrs. Burton Harrison,
'nee Constance Cary. This gal could write up a
storm..several of her books and articles are on-line; one
particularly good one is in The Century Magazine, June 1891,
p. 163ff. which deals with Col. William Byrd.

A google will lead in a half dozen directions, almost all of
them interesting.

Maynard		05/29/2006 7:55:38
RE: Hunt SupperMichael TutorMaynard,

Do you have the internet address for the William Byrd article?......Mike


> [Original Message]
> From: John M. Poythress
> To:
> Date: 5/29/2006 1:55:55 PM
> Subject: Hunt Supper
>
> A terrific adjunct to searching Cornell's Making of America
> is to google the author Mrs. Burton Harrison,
> 'nee Constance Cary. This gal could write up a
> storm..several of her books and articles are on-line; one
> particularly good one is in The Century Magazine, June 1891,
> p. 163ff. which deals with Col. William Byrd.
>
> A google will lead in a half dozen directions, almost all of
> them interesting.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>		05/29/2006 12:57:22
Re: Cornell U. Making of AmericaFolks, I'm travelling & behind on reading List messages, & just saw your
exchange. I don't have access where I am, to what the various Virginia
counties' borders were back in the circa-1774 time period, but it could
well be that Mount Vernon may have been part of Prince George County.
Cheers, Barbara

5/28/06 JLP wrote:
> Maynard, can't argue with that, except to say that's a pretty good
> stretch on the term "neighbor." And it's pretty clear from the last
> paragraph, 1st column, on page 486, that old George had been something
> of a frequent visitor to Colonel Poythress. Maybe, though, GW visited
> the Poythress house when he was doing business in Williamsburg? But,
> then, on the other hand, the second paragraph, 2nd column, page 486,
> suggests that "Madam Poythress" was a close personal friend of Martha
> Washington...
>
> Is it possible that Colonel Poythress also owned property in Fairfax
> County, and that this hunt supper was arranged when they were visiting
> this other property? (Probably not likely, but still possible, unless
> we can prove he didn't own property there.)
>
> Maybe the only way to know for sure is to locate some of the other
> people in attendance and who were named: Mr. Nimrod Snow, Mr.
> "Ffoliot," Parson Thorowgood, Captain Jeffrey Flower, and/or Hugh
> Poythress.
>
> Good riddle...
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 6:57 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: Cornell U. Making of America
>
>
> Lou....yes BUT, Peter was "of Branchester (PG County) and
> it's tough to believe a guy living way up in Fairfax County could
> marry off 7 or 8 daughters "IN" PG County with all the attendant
> press, etc. without living there, isn't it? He's referred to at
> virtually every wedding announcement in VA
> Gazette (I'm going on memory here) as "Col. Peter Poythress, either
> "of" or "late of" PG County.
>
> He shows as Justice for PG Court in 1764, 1769, 1771 and
> 1774. He's Burgess for PG in 69, 71, 72 and 73. He's
> on Vestry of Martin's Brandon 1770 and he resigns his
> seat as PG representative to the General Assembly in 1776 because of
> poor health and dies there in 1785.
>
> I just don't see any way we can let this guy out of PG
> County, do you?
>
> I suspect he was a close neighbor just like all those ladies
> considered everyone in society their "close friends", wouldn't you?
>
> Maynard		06/05/2006 9:13:48
Re: FW: Porteous Associates - NEWSLETTER No 44 - July 2006Barbara P. NealThanks, Maynard.
I, too, don't think the Poythress & Porteous (Porteus) families are
related. As I pointed out in my message to our List on 14 April 2006,
the DNA marker-readings that made up Doug Porteous' "Haplogroup I" were
quite
different from the marker-readings that make up Haplogroup R1b,
in which most of our Poythress/Poytress participants fall.

Barbara (Bpn)		07/12/2006 6:54:21
FW: Porteous Associates - NEWSLETTER No 44 - July 2006John M. PoythressBelow are the addresses for the latest Porteus newsletter
and their volunteer research contact.

I have had several exchanges with Pat Allan who is the mover
and shaker for genealogy work done on this family.

Despite the Virginia proximity, proximity in time, and the
"sequence of letters closeness" to Poythress (P-O-T-E-S)
it's my opinion that there is no confusion in court and
parish records between these two families....allowing the
obvious exception that one or two instances might have
happened.

The genealogical records and studies of the Porteus family
are studied and recorded in great detail and they report
they have not seen a single incident of mistaken identity
that they can recognize.

I am also struck by the fact that Porteus is one of those
Scottish names that one might never guess to be Scottish in
origin (Munro, etc. for example).....but the clan badge is
right there at the head of the newsletter.

Unless an example of mistaken identity just hits us in the
face, I'm inclined to not flog this issue any longer.

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: amms@autobahn.mb.ca [mailto:amms@autobahn.mb.ca]
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:38 PM
To: PORTEOUS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Porteous Associates - NEWSLETTER No 44 - July 2006

Latest edition of our newsletter is now available:
http://www.geocities.com/Porteous_Assoc/nl44.html

slainte!
Pat Allan
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Volunteer Research Contact for ...
The Porteous Associates
07/12/2006 8:02:45
Oh JoyJohn M. PoythressCheck the sequential:
http://www.mylifeinaction.com/hip/treatmentoptions/hipreplac
ement/index.cfm

I get total replacement right hip 7/24 and the left one a
few months later assuming I survive. Looking
for a stand-in.

Maynard		07/14/2006 5:19:09
Re: Oh JoyMaynard,
I could not get the site to come up. Are you for real ??
If so I sure do wish you the best of luck and I will be praying for you.
Judy
>
> From: "John M. Poythress"
> Date: 2006/07/14 Fri AM 11:19:09 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Oh Joy
>
> Check the sequential:
> http://www.mylifeinaction.com/hip/treatmentoptions/hipreplac
> ement/index.cfm
>
> I get total replacement right hip 7/24 and the left one a
> few months later assuming I survive. Looking
> for a stand-in.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
>		07/14/2006 5:22:20
Re: Oh JoyMaynard,

A good friend of mine who is in her young "eighties" just had this surgery
the end of May and she is doing great. She has been driving herself to physical
therapy the last couple weeks and is lunching with me next week. I am just
amazed at her wonderful recuperation period and she will be having the second
hip replaced the end of July.

I wish you a speedy recovery too!

Best, Barbara



07/14/2006 6:32:59
Re: Oh JoyBarbara P. NealJudy, the site's URL may have "wrapped" onto more than one line in your
email, as it did in mine. If you paste the 2 parts together & then copy
that into your browser, you'll get to the very informative site. I did
it using the following (& if this wraps to a 2nd line when you get my
message, you'll need to paste it together again):

www.mylifeinaction.com/hip/treatmentoptions/hipreplacement/index.cfm

Maynard - Ouch! Though I'm sure it will feel a whole lot better
afterward compared to what your current situation must be. Will pray for
smooth-going throughout the surgery & recovery.

Cheers, Barbara (BPN)		07/14/2006 11:00:28
Re: Oh JoyJulie CabittoHope that you recover quickly!
Love,
Julie Cabitto

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: Oh Joy


> Check the sequential:
> http://www.mylifeinaction.com/hip/treatmentoptions/hipreplac
> ement/index.cfm
>
> I get total replacement right hip 7/24 and the left one a
> few months later assuming I survive. Looking
> for a stand-in.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more about
> Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>		07/14/2006 12:44:47
Lorenzo DowJohn M. PoythressThe histories I have read indicate that the Right Rev.
Lorenzo Dow pretty much carried "his" message
all over the South with remarkably consistent results.
Some lady has dug up a 1964 Augusta
Chronicle article about the gentleman and has done a
Rootsweb posting of the article which describes
Dow's visit to Screven County:

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/md.2ADE/1454

Thought this might be interesting to some.

Maynard		07/15/2006 2:03:34
Re: Re: Oh JoyThanks Barbara. I will try that.
Hope ya'll are doing o.k.
Judy
>
> From: "Barbara P. Neal"
> Date: 2006/07/14 Fri PM 07:00:28 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Oh Joy
>
> Judy, the site's URL may have "wrapped" onto more than one line in your
> email, as it did in mine. If you paste the 2 parts together & then copy
> that into your browser, you'll get to the very informative site. I did
> it using the following (& if this wraps to a 2nd line when you get my
> message, you'll need to paste it together again):
>
> www.mylifeinaction.com/hip/treatmentoptions/hipreplacement/index.cfm
>
> Maynard - Ouch! Though I'm sure it will feel a whole lot better
> afterward compared to what your current situation must be. Will pray for
> smooth-going throughout the surgery & recovery.
>
> Cheers, Barbara (BPN)
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>		07/15/2006 4:59:54
Re: Lorenzo DowBarbara P. NealThanks, Maynard. I'm curious re " On April 29, 1797, Solomon Gross and
his wife, Mary Gross, conveyed to the Commissioners of Scriven 50 acres
of land on Beaver Dam."

I'm curious -- Do you happen to know whether this Gross couple would be
related to:

- your ancestor Rhoda E. Gross, born 1828, who married John Maner
Poythress?

- Martha Gross, born circa 1825?, who married Dennis Scott, & whose
child Laura J. Scott (born 1846) married Daniel Willie Poythress in Feb
1866?

- and/or to Leila H. Gross, who married Daniel Willie Poythress Jr
(son of above couple) in 1899?

Thanks again,
Barbara		07/16/2006 5:42:32
Update DNA Poythress/Poytress Surname StudyBarbara P. NealDear All,

We currently have 14 participants in our Poythress/Poytress-Surname
Y-DNA Study. The upgrade test, checking 67 markers, has been ordered for
all 13 participants who are in Haplogroup R1b1. Those 67-marker upgrade
test results should begin coming out in late July 2006 and continue
over the next couple of months (in the order in which participants'
upgrade tests were ordered).

I've previously mentioned the "Ysearch" website: www.ysearch.org
It is a huge public DNA database where individuals' DNA numbers can be
easily compared between those having the same surname, or even can be
compared with people having other surnames. Privacy is available in
Ysearch, even when DNA numerical results are listed.

To see Poythress-related Y-DNA info (or any other surname's Y-DNA info
you may wish to look at), go to www.ysearch.org

At the top of the page, click on the tab "Search By Last Name" and then
in the first box, type "Poythress" (or whatever surname you wish) & hit
the "Search" button which is a few lines lower.

The resulting page will show the number of records found of that "name
or variant" (currently 14 Poythress), and it will also show the number
of pedigree records that some folks have submitted that include the
Poythress name somewhere in their pedigree chart. Currently 8 pedigree
charts have been submitted in which Poythress appears; none of those
pedigrees were submitted by Poythress-surnamed folks.

If you click on the "14" (or whatever number of records were found of
the surname or variant), you'll get a listing of them. To see
info about any particular one, click on the User ID. By reading ALL the
way down through the resulting page for each person, you can find the
participant who is most closely related to you when you learn better
which Poythress line this person descended from. For some users, you'll
recognize who other people are & you can keep track of that yourself
near your computer for further analyzing of results; their names are not
shown more prominently for the sake of privacy.

If you do NOT find anyone whose line you are closely related to, and you
want to volunteer yourself or a Poythress brother/father/cousin to
participate, please contact me personally at bp_neal@earthlink.net
Since a Y-DNA Study looks at a tiny part of the Y chromosome, and only
males have that chromosome, only males who inherited their DNA from a
Poythress-surnamed male (or a similar surname) would logically participate.

To see comparative DNA info about several (or all) of these Poythress
people listed at Ysearch, go back to the list of all of them, and click
in the little box under the "Compare" column for each one you want to
see, or you can click on "Check All" just above that column. Then click
on the word "Compare" Then at the next screen, click on the top
choice, "Show comparative Y-DNA results"

This will show you a chart where the first 37 markers' numerical results
currently available can be compared. If you want to print this chart, I
recommend that you set your browser's "View" to where you can see the
entire width of the chart on your computer screen; and then set your
printer to print "landscape" instead of "portrait" (so it will print
with the chart's top on the 11" edge of the sheet of paper, rather than
with the top on the 8.5" edge).

In this chart you'll see, for example, that in the first 12 markers'
columns most of the men have identical numbers (or nearly identical; two
descendants of Lewis Poythress have one number that differs from most
other participants. Lewis Poythress lived from about 1771 to about 1846
in Mecklenburg County, VA).

Then in the 13th through 25th markers' columns, you see a little more
variation. Six people have identical-to-each-other numbers in those
13th through 25th columns (One of these people is a direct descendant of
Lewis Poythress). Four other people have a slightly different set of
identical-to-each-other numbers. Etc.

Then in the 26th through 37th markers' columns, you'll see a little more
variation. In those columns, five people have identical-to-each-other
numbers. (Again, one is a direct descendant of Lewis Poythress. Thus his
DNA sort of bridges the difference between the DNA of the other
descendant of Lewis Poythress and the DNA of the other identical 4
participants.)

Hopefully when the 67-marker upgrade tests' results become available
over the next couple of months, we will see more connections among the
various Poythress lines. The Ysearch database will be updated when
further results are available. We all appreciate the participation of
each person in our Study, and look forward to learning more thanks to them.

Any of our Study participants who see anything in their Ysearch entry
which they wish me to change, should please let me know off-List, at
bp_neal@earthlink.net

Barbara Poythress Neal, Volunteer Group Administrator of the
Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study		07/17/2006 2:06:40
Re: DNA project- va1600s.netBarbara P. NealThanks for the info; I just wrote to him to make inquiries. I'll keep
you posted.
Barbara (BPN)

Re:
> A POST FROM RIVER-JAMES-L@ROOTSWEB.COM:
> DNA Study of Original Settlers of Virginia underway at
> Family Tree DNA website. To find out more follow link....



07/17/2006 4:22:03
DNA project- va1600s.netJohn M. PoythressA POST FROM RIVER-JAMES-L@ROOTSWEB.COM:

DNA Study of Original Settlers of Virginia underway at
Family Tree DNA website. To find out more follow link.
http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=H45356&sp
ecial=True&projecttype=G
Mark Rasco
MR564@comcast.net

Barbara...I am referring the above interesting link to you
as "the trail" leads to a
number of interesting questions; i. e. do we qualify or do
SOME of us qualify and/or
do any of us want to participate in this study by going to
our own family DNA individual
page and submitting "join" would would throw the name of the
participant into the
"va.-1600's" pot.

Frankly, I'm a little surprised that the va-1600's group
hasn't done more advertising
and/or that FamilyTreeDNA themselves haven't spread the word
further.

If I'm qualified I certainly have no objection to my name
being thrown into their
"master pot" for a Virginia 1600's study. My guess is that
most of our group would
share that feeling but since this is going "outside the
family" so to speak, I could
certainly understand that some may have privacy issues.

Maynard		07/17/2006 12:32:16
Re: DNA project- va1600s.net & PoythressBarbara P. NealDear All,

I wrote to Mark Rasco, re the VA-1600s Y-DNA Project, which Maynard
mentioned here on our List the other day, after he saw Mark's posting on
the RIVER-JAMES-L@ROOTSWEB.COM. I introduced myself as the Group
Administrator for the Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study, maintained
at the FamilyTreeDNA website. I said that we think Francis Poythress was
the progenitor for Poythress folk in America today, and that Francis was
in James City County, VA by 1632, as shown by the first 2 items listed
in the section "Virginia Origins: the 17th Century Record" at our
Poythress Research website, www.Poythress.net

I told him one of our Study participants had sent me a copy of his
posting & was interested in finding out whether any of our fellows
could/should join their VA-1600s Study, adding their Y-DNA results there
as well as having them in our Poythress/Poytress Surname Study.

He has replied, saying that he thinks it is a great idea for any of our
interested Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Project participants to also
join in their VA-1600s Project.

If any of you participants want, you can join their Project, too. To do
so, either:

1. tell me to join you to their Project, and I can do so for you.

OR

2. you can open your FamilyTreeDNA test results page and click on
the "JOIN" icon at the top of your "my FTDNA" info page. Then
select "V2
"

form the Y GEOGRAPHICAL PROJECTS then click on "VA-1600's", then click
"Join".

Further, if any of you should wish to submit your pedigrees to the
VA-1600s Project, you'll need to contact the Administrators of their web
site itself. Their site is located at http://va-1600s.net/
Their Administrators who you would need to contact for that, are:
Sharon Bryant SharonBryant@cox.net
Derrell Oakley Teat margaret.teat2@verizon.net

Mark said that he's looking forward to seeing Poythress names on the
"VA-1600YDNA" site.

If any of our Study participants want my help in joining their VA-1600s
DNA site, just let me know.

Cheers,
Barbara		07/20/2006 7:43:15
RE: DNA project- va1600s.net & PoythressJohn M. PoythressSign me up, dear, and I'll appreciate it. No "pedigree"
to supply that can be "certified." Many thanks, Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:43 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: DNA project- va1600s.net & Poythress

Dear All,

I wrote to Mark Rasco, re the VA-1600s Y-DNA Project, which
Maynard
mentioned here on our List the other day, after he saw
Mark's posting on
the RIVER-JAMES-L@ROOTSWEB.COM. I introduced myself as the
Group
Administrator for the Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA
Study, maintained
at the FamilyTreeDNA website. I said that we think Francis
Poythress was
the progenitor for Poythress folk in America today, and that
Francis was
in James City County, VA by 1632, as shown by the first 2
items listed
in the section "Virginia Origins: the 17th Century Record"
at our
Poythress Research website, www.Poythress.net

I told him one of our Study participants had sent me a copy
of his
posting & was interested in finding out whether any of our
fellows
could/should join their VA-1600s Study, adding their Y-DNA
results there
as well as having them in our Poythress/Poytress Surname
Study.

He has replied, saying that he thinks it is a great idea for
any of our
interested Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Project
participants to also
join in their VA-1600s Project.

If any of you participants want, you can join their Project,
too. To do
so, either:

1. tell me to join you to their Project, and I can do so for
you.

OR

2. you can open your FamilyTreeDNA test results page and
click on
the "JOIN" icon at the top of your "my FTDNA" info page.
Then
select "V2
roupJoin.aspx?act=searchlist&let=V&projecttype=G>"

form the Y GEOGRAPHICAL PROJECTS then click on "VA-1600's",
then click
"Join".

Further, if any of you should wish to submit your pedigrees
to the
VA-1600s Project, you'll need to contact the Administrators
of their web
site itself. Their site is located at http://va-1600s.net/
Their Administrators who you would need to contact for that,
are:
Sharon Bryant SharonBryant@cox.net
Derrell Oakley Teat margaret.teat2@verizon.net

Mark said that he's looking forward to seeing Poythress
names on the
"VA-1600YDNA" site.

If any of our Study participants want my help in joining
their VA-1600s
DNA site, just let me know.

Cheers,
Barbara


==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn
more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/		07/20/2006 10:45:47
Re: DNA project- va1600s.net & PoythressBarbara P. NealDone, Maynard, for you & several others. And in each case I set your
"preferences" to show comparisons to the entire database, rather than
just to the Poythress/Poytress Surname project, so that you can now see
any & all matches (or near matches).

I'll be curious to see how Poythress DNA compares to other VA-1600s DNA.
Barbara

Re 7/20/06: Sign me up, dear, and I'll appreciate it. No "pedigree"
to supply that can be "certified." Many thanks, Maynard		07/21/2006 6:38:10
Re: DNA project- va1600s.net & PoythressBarbara P. NealDear All,

It turns out I had misunderstood re the VA-1600s Y-DNA project. A
requirement to join their project is that one has made his pedigree
connection back to a Virginia resident who lived prior to 1700. Since
missing Virginia records have prevented us, so far, from making a
connection of our pedigrees of our 1700s ancestors to Francis or to one
of his descendants who lived pre-1700, we Poythress folk are not yet
eligible to join the VA-1600s Y-DNA project.

Their Administrator has assured us that, should we make that pedigree
connection, we would then be welcome to join. Sorry for my earlier
misunderstanding.

Barbara (BPN)		07/23/2006 9:44:25
Poythress St. in NCCliff and Sheryl TownsendJust a note I ran into and thought it was worth passing along.
sheryl


Many of the streets in NC are named after the families that lived there. In
Orange county is a Poythress st.




08/01/2006 6:38:52
Re: Oh Joy - Maynard's right hipBarbara NealI talked with Maynard's wife today for an update on him. Surgery on 7/24
went well, though he had to get some blood the next day due to more
bleeding than expected (clotting factor issue). He's in the rehab wing
of the hospital, and using a stationary walker in order to not put more
than 30% of his weight on the new hip. As he gets better at it, they'll
add wheels to the walker.

Not sure yet when he may be able to get home, but he'll need several
days to adjust to home whenever he gets there. She recommended no emails
to him for another week, so that his bellsouth email-box doesn't get
overfilled & start bouncing stuff. Thank goodness their home is all on
one level.

This hip was the one that was worst, so at least after he recuperates
from this one & has to get the left one done, it should not be quite as
bad. She'll pass on our greetings.

Barbara

7/14/06 John M. Poythress wrote:
> ...I get total replacement right hip 7/24 and the left one a
> few months later assuming I survive. Looking
> for a stand-in.
> Maynard		08/01/2006 9:24:57
1810 Census Bedford Co, VA entry - moreBarbara NealElaine, in your great compendium of Poythress Census entries (available
at our Poythress research website) the first entry for Virginia is:
"1810 - Bedford County
Protross, James - pg. 478, 1 M 10-15, 2 M 16-25, 1 M 45+, 1 F 16-25, 1 F
45+ , 24 slaves"

I've long wondered about him, so the other day at the library I looked
in every book they had about Bedford County, to see if I could get an
idea of how likely or unlikely it is, that he may have been a Poythress.

As a result of my survey, I don't think he was. Though spelling was not
exact back in those days, none of the various spellings I found for this
man & all potential family members of his, was ever spelled with a "y"
in it, or with a "th" in it. I realize this is not conclusive, but I
also never recognized familiar neighbors' names, either.

Here's a brief recap of what I found (in chronological order here), from
looking in a number of different books (I didn't spend the extra time to
record citations, since I don't think he's "ours"):

1793 Sep: an entry with name spelled PETTROSS

1794 Jun 10: Will of Augustine Leftwich dated 10 Jun 1794, proved 22
Jun 1795, included mention of his daughter Nancy PETTROSS [I looked in
various books for any entry re her marriage, but could not find that]

1798 Nov 24: marriage of Polly PEATROSS & Obadiah Reynolds had James
PEATROSS as surety

1801 Sep 2: James PATROSS (also spelled James PEATROSS in same document)
was an appraiser in estate re Johnson Watson

1801 Oct 10 & 23: James PETTRESS was appraiser & witness in estate re
Robert Rosebrough

1801 Dec 8: marriage of Aney PEATROSS & John Milliner mentioned her
father James PEATROSS

1803 Nov 24: James PEATROSS was one of 3 witnesses to the will of
Michael Kein written 24 Nov 1803 & recorded 23 Feb 1807

1811 Oct 28: James PETROSS returned an appraisement re Michael Karnes'
estate

1825 Oct 24 & Dec 26: William L. PEATROSS name is mentioned (said the
author) in an 8-page account re Benjamin Estes' estate

Barbara		08/02/2006 4:45:51
Re: 1810 Census Bedford Co., VA entry - moreWith the many ways Poythress has been misspelled over the centuries, you
just cannot rule out any spelling until further documents are checked out.
Thanks for taking the time to check on other documents regarding James
Protross/Peatross and all other spellings of this man, in Bedford County. I agree, that
he does not sound like one of our Poythresses.

Take care,
Elaine


Elaine, in your great compendium of Poythress Census entries (available
at our Poythress research website) the first entry for Virginia is:
"1810 - Bedford County
Protross, James - pg. 478, 1 M 10-15, 2 M 16-25, 1 M 45+, 1 F 16-25, 1 F
45+ , 24 slaves"

I've long wondered about him, so the other day at the library I looked
in every book they had about Bedford County, to see if I could get an
idea of how likely or unlikely it is, that he may have been a Poythress.

As a result of my survey, I don't think he was. Though spelling was not
exact back in those days, none of the various spellings I found for this
man & all potential family members of his, was ever spelled with a "y"
in it, or with a "th" in it. I realize this is not conclusive, but I
also never recognized familiar neighbors' names, either.

Here's a brief recap of what I found (in chronological order here), from
looking in a number of different books (I didn't spend the extra time to
record citations, since I don't think he's "ours"):

1793 Sep: an entry with name spelled PETTROSS

1794 Jun 10: Will of Augustine Leftwich dated 10 Jun 1794, proved 22
Jun 1795, included mention of his daughter Nancy PETTROSS [I looked in
various books for any entry re her marriage, but could not find that]

1798 Nov 24: marriage of Polly PEATROSS & Obadiah Reynolds had James
PEATROSS as surety

1801 Sep 2: James PATROSS (also spelled James PEATROSS in same document)
was an appraiser in estate re Johnson Watson

1801 Oct 10 & 23: James PETTRESS was appraiser & witness in estate re
Robert Rosebrough

1801 Dec 8: marriage of Aney PEATROSS & John Milliner mentioned her
father James PEATROSS

1803 Nov 24: James PEATROSS was one of 3 witnesses to the will of
Michael Kein written 24 Nov 1803 & recorded 23 Feb 1807

1811 Oct 28: James PETROSS returned an appraisement re Michael Karnes'
estate

1825 Oct 24 & Dec 26: William L. PEATROSS name is mentioned (said the
author) in an 8-page account re Benjamin Estes' estate

Barbara		08/02/2006 10:09:57
Re: 1810 Census Bedford Co., VA entry - moreBarbara NealThanks, Elaine. Ane thanks again so much for all your great work on all
those Censuses!
Barbara



08/02/2006 10:14:02
Edward Poythress; & who fathered Geo W (m. to Permelia)Barbara NealSarah, & all,

Thanks so much for the great NC cemetery records you listed in your
message to me yesterday (I've copied it at the bottom here for our List,
so we can get that information into our List Archives).

In answer to your question about whose son George W Poythress was:
No, it certainly hasn't been proven that George W was a son of David
Poythress. I admitted in a message to the List on 14 Feb 2006, soon
after the one you refer to in your message, that "perhaps I was too
hasty in my earlier conclusion that the George W (Poythress) who was
father of Simeon was the same George W (Poythress) who was son of David."

In that 14 Feb 2006 message, I did recap some Census info from Elaine's
great census compendium that made it seem likely George W was son of
David, but there were apparently lots of people named after George
Washington, which could certainly have included more than one George W
Poythress. The ones I found pertinent were:

1870 Census of Person Co, NC in Flat River Township:
Geo. W. Poyetress, 31, male, white, farm laborer, b. VA
Permelia, age 23, female, white, keeps house, born VA
William J., age 8, male, white, born NC
Robert, age 6, male, white, born NC
Ella, age 4, female, white, born NC
Simeon, age 2, male, white, born NC
John B., age 3/12, male, white, born NC, in Feb
Elizabeth, age 33, female, white, born VA
[Note: by 33-yr old Elizabeth being at the bottom of the household,
though with the same last name, she was likely a sister or cousin of
31-yr old Geo W.]

And I had mentioned 2 earlier censuses:
(1) David Poythress' 1850 Census household (Mecklenburg Co, VA), 9-yr
old George was shown without a middle initial; but in

(2) David Poythress' 1860 Census household (Warren Co, NC, where the
Census-taker listed every person on the page just with first & middle
initials), the then 19-yr old young man in the household is shown as
"G.W" with the middle initial being quite clear on the Census record.
[This one shows that G.W., in David's family, moved from VA to NC
between 1850 & 1860, which seems logically to be the same "Geo. W. b.VA"
shown in the above 1870 NC census as father of Simeon.]

I am interested to see today, Sarah, that you have George W Poythress
listed as a son of Edward Poythress & Mahaly Nance, and that you show
George W married Permelia Susan Redman/ Redmon 16 May 1861 in Granville
Co, NC. Great that you have her 1918 death info from her marker in the
Demacus Church Cemetery, Chapel Hill, NC info in your message below.

However, I reckon either there was another George W who died in 1843
(nearly 18 yrs before the 1861 marriage of George W & Permelia you
mentioned), or maybe you had a typo in the "1843" death date listed for
George W, where you mention you don't know where he's buried?

I've long wanted to know more about Edward Poythress the family that he
& his wife Mahaly Nance had. The earliest Census I've seen them is:
1850 in Mecklenburg Co, VA
Edward Poythress, 52, laborer b.VA
Mahala, 47, b.VA
Sarah A, 18, b.VA
Harriet, 16, b.VA.

That 1850 census certainly doesn't help me pin *any* sons to this couple
-- whether George W (who was apparently born about 1839 per the 1870
Person Co, NC Census mentioned above), or any others. It's certainly
logical that if Edward really was 52 in 1850 (thus born about 1798) that
they would have had other, earlier, kids who were out on their own by
that 1850 Census. Frustrating that Edward apparently just didn't have
his own household before 1850.

Sure would appreciate any help from anyone regarding more info on the
family of Edward Poythress & his wife Mahala/Mahaley Nance. (See below
for Sarah's message with cemetery records from Orange County & Wake
County, North Carolina.)

Barbara

-------- Original Message --------
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 17:59:45 -0400
From: "Sarah Poythress"

Barbara,
I was going thro some old papers & found an e-mail you had sent to
Elaine (from the list) about a co-pilot Whitney F. Poythress, Jr. The
part of your message I was interested in was Patsy. The part where you
said she verified that her grandparents were Simeon & Ola Poythress and
was thrilled to learn the further infomation that your census work
revealed about Simeon: that he was the son of George W Poythress (I have
him referred to as George Y. in some places) and that George W. was the
son of David of Mecklenburg Co., VA. That is where our information is
different. I have George W. as the son of Edward & Mahaly Nance
Poythress. He married Permelia Susan Redman/ Redmon 16 May 1861 in
Granville Co, NC. She died 10 Sept 1918 and is buried at Demacus
Church Cemetery, Chapel Hill, NC. George died 30 Dec 1843 in Durham,
Durham Co., NC. I do not know where he is buried. My question is has
it been proven that George was the son of David? I do not have my
source documented, but I though I read somewhere that George was the son
of Edward & Mahaly.

I found the following on the internet under cemeteries in NC:

DEMASCUS CHURCH CEMETERY 522 DEMASCUS ROAD CHAPEL HILL, ORANGE COUNTY
NORTH CAROLINA

C.W. Poythress May 25, 1920 July 20, 1944 Creola Poytress Freeland
November 14, 1890 November 12, 1962 John W. Poythress Oct. 29, 1888 Jan.
14, 1922 Nancy Josephine Daniel wife of Robert Lee Poythress May 13,
1861 Sept. 26, 1920 Her memory is blessed Robert Lee Poythress Died Jan.
17, 1914 Age 49 years An honest man's thy noblest work of God Go on dear
father take thy rest God called thee home He knew best Permelia S.
Poythress Dec. 30, 1843 Sept. 10, 1918 Gone but not forgotten

POYTHRESS Ola S. Nov. 25, 1880 Aug. 9, 1936 Simeon E. Nov. 17, 1867 Mar.
12, 1952 (one stone) Poythress Whitney F. Dec. 12, 1900 May 21, 1982

Aunt Bettie Bowen Grover C. Poythress (one stone)

POYTHRESS Robert Furman Apr. 30, 1892 Dec. 2, 1957 Ila Barnes Dec. 6,
1892 March 5, 1985 (one stone)

POYTHRESS Lela Mann May 4, 1919 July 25, 1978 Robert Lee July 4, 1918
March 1, 1995 (one stone)

Wake County, NC - Bethlehem Baptist Church Cemetery

Poythress, Edward A., b. 11 Jan 1911, d. 29 Jan 1990 Poythress, Rebecca
H., b. 15 Oct 1913, d. ????

Wake County, NC - ZEBULON TOWN CEMETERY

Tucker, Maude E. June 21, 1887 - Feb. 1, 1967 Wife of G. W. Poythress
Poythress, George W. April 26, 1882 - Sept. 19, 1976 Husband of Maude E.
Tucker

Poythress, George W. 1882-1976 Poythress, Maude E. Tucker 1887-1967

Sarah		08/04/2006 7:06:40
Re: Back among the quick....Barbara NealSo glad to see they've sprung you from rehab! Be sure to do everything
the therapists want you to do, for better mobility henceforth. Best
wishes for a smooth & speedy recuperation from C & me -
Barbara



08/05/2006 5:23:08
Back among the quick....John M. Poythress..figuratively speaking anyway.

Returned Friday 8/4 from 10 days in Louisville's Jewish
Hospital/Frazier Rehab where I had had a full hip
replacement of my right hip on July 24. The additional time
in rehab was due to some clotting problems
that needed straightening out. The left hip will be done
after full recovery of this one, hopefully yet this year.

I don't especially recommend the operation as a way to spend
a summer day but if one needs it I will say it's
certainly bearable and dividends are expected even if not
yet visible.

Thanks again to all of my wonderful friends who remembered
me with cards, calls, etc. or just remembered me
period. I cherish each and every one of you!

Thanks again,

Maynard		08/05/2006 5:23:56
RE: Back among the quick....Cliff and Sheryl TownsendMaynard,
Glad to see you up and at it today.
Take it easy and do what the doc says.
sheryl

-----Original Message-----
..figuratively speaking anyway.

Returned Friday 8/4 from 10 days in Louisville's Jewish
Hospital/Frazier Rehab where I had had a full hip
replacement of my right hip on July 24. The additional time
in rehab was due to some clotting problems
that needed straightening out. The left hip will be done
after full recovery of this one, hopefully yet this year.

I don't especially recommend the operation as a way to spend
a summer day but if one needs it I will say it's
certainly bearable and dividends are expected even if not
yet visible.

Thanks again to all of my wonderful friends who remembered
me with cards, calls, etc. or just remembered me
period. I cherish each and every one of you!

Thanks again,

Maynard



==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
www.poythress.net		08/05/2006 6:27:41
Re: Back among the quick.... Maynard, So happy to hear all went well and you are home again. My thoughts are with you.
Love,
Judy
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> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
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08/05/2006 10:29:54
Re: Back among the quick....Julie CabittoGlad to hear you are well Maynard. Hope you'll be good and rest!!
Julie Cabitto

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Back among the quick....


> Maynard, So happy to hear all went well and you are home again. My
> thoughts are with you.
> Love,
> Judy
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>> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>> www.poythress.net
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> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>		08/05/2006 11:02:32
Re: Back among the quick....Up and running!!! Sounds great! Well, maybe not running, but at least up.
🙂

Keep up the good walk!.


Cheers, Barbara and Bill





08/05/2006 12:37:21
FW: Porteous connections?John M. Poythress-----Original Message-----
From: amms@autobahn.mb.ca [mailto:amms@autobahn.mb.ca]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 7:51 PM
To: John M. Poythress
Subject: RE: Porteous connections?



At 12:41 PM 8/7/2006, you wrote:



I have decided, just as I think we originally did, that the
two families have a history well documented enough to assure
us that they are separate and likely in no instance were the
two names even confused by a court clerk.


I must agree ... don't see any apparent links ... will be in
touch if I ever find out otherwise!




So, you can "unsubscribe" me if you will please..and thank
you for your gracious cooperation in working with me.


Have done so ... you know where to find our webpage and what
my addy is should you ever decide to 'rejoin'.




slainte!
Pat Allan
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Volunteer Research Contact for ...
The Porteous Associates <
http://www.geocities.com/porteous_assoc/
>		08/08/2006 4:24:51
Re: Offline couple of wksO.K. Thanks Barbara,
Judy
>
> From: Barbara Neal
> Date: 2006/08/10 Thu PM 04:25:03 EDT
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Offline couple of wks
>
> I'll be without computer access for a couple of wks beginning Friday
> afternoon 8/11, and will check back in the weekend of 8/26.
> Barbara
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> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
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>		08/10/2006 2:55:52
Offline couple of wksBarbara NealI'll be without computer access for a couple of wks beginning Friday
afternoon 8/11, and will check back in the weekend of 8/26.
Barbara		08/10/2006 8:25:03
New Genealogy ResourcesJohn M. PoythressOn August, John Konvalinka, a nationally known genealogy
lecturer, presented
hour lectures in Louisville on the following four topics:

Your Immigrant Ancestors-Find 'em in Cyberspace

Traditional vs. Computer Based Genealogy..not either but
"BOTH"

The Other side of the Courthouse..Genealogical "Finds" in
lesser known
Records

The Newest Electronic Frontier..Scanned, Searchable
Newspapers.


Unlike many lecturers, Mr. Konvalinka graciously offers free
access to his
own website and its many "hot" links...as well as syllabuses
(syllibi?) of
each lecture.

The location of the site is simple:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jkonvalinka/

Finding the resources on that site is a tad trickier.
Here's how it's done:

On the LEFT hand menu, scroll all the way down to
"Genealogical Events
and Resources" and click. At the bottom of this list are
the class notes
(complete with hotlinks) to the four Louisville lectures
above.

On the RIGHT hand menu, scroll all the way to the bottom.
Fifth sentence
up from the bottom is: "Other Genealogy Lites on the WWW
(for a
complete listing go to 'List of Sites.") Notice that
"List of Sites" is a hot
link. Click it and up will come a monster list probably
only exceeded by
Cindi's List.


Happy Hunting.

Maynard









08/27/2006 5:54:41
John M. PoythressBelow is pasted an article appearing in today's WSJ about
Ancestry.com's new
Upgraded site. MS Outlook will no doubt convert this to
text and the appearance
Won't be especially attractive but many of you are unable to
receive these when I
Send them as html attachments. (any of you super-geeks got
a fix for this problem
I'm all ears).

Maynard



September 6, 2006


THE MOSSBERG SOLUTION
By WALTER S. MOSSBERG AND KATHERINE BOEHRET













Building a Family Tree
Using an Upgraded Site
Online Tools Let You Add
Digital Documents to Data;
Display Options Are Limited
September 6, 2006; Page D4
Drawing up a family tree has long been the job of the family
member with the most patience and the steadiest hand. So it
makes sense to look to technology as a means of helping to
alleviate the work. For years, there have been software
programs that helped with the job, such as Family Tree Maker
for Windows and Reunion for the Macintosh. But the
technology of genealogy has been moving to the Web, and now
those Web-based tools have taken another step forward.
This week, we tested a recently revamped Web site,
Ancestry.com (www.ancestry.com
e+lo+sc+re+st+',true,0,0,true);void('')> 1), which helps you
build a family tree and can integrate your tree's data with
500,000 other family trees and records containing five
billion names. The site has been around for 10 years, but an
overhauled version that intends to be more complete and
intuitive was launched in a prerelease version six weeks
ago.


Ancestry.com helps you create and enrich your family tree
using records like draft-registration cards (above) and
census records, as well as family trees of other users.

The new Ancestry.com offers numerous features, the most
important of which is much better integration of the site's
data with your own information. These data include census
records, military draft-registration cards, marriage
certificates and immigration records. Some of this
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Web, but digging it up has largely been a separate process
from creating a family tree.
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the need for stand-alone software, and you can share that
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can "grow" your tree by attaching those data if they're
relevant, further enriching your finished product.
The site has some limitations, and it's expensive. But we
really liked it and were excited to discover things like
handwritten census entries from the early 1900s mentioning
our forebears, or draft-registration cards for our
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Ancestry.com can be used free -- as long as you're just
using data that you provide, such as names, dates and
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These prices are hefty, but the information's value can be
huge. And, the prices look smaller if you only need the
research capability for a month or two. A more-limited
version of the service, without the family-tree building
features, is available free at some libraries.
Not everyone we typed into our trees had associated records.
When we did get lucky, however, we grabbed the phone to
share our findings with relatives, or emailed them images of
the records. Your tree and all records attached to those in
your tree can be shared via email with anyone else.
Ancestry.com is broken down into four major tabs for
searching: Historical Records, Family Trees, Stories &
Publications and Photos & Maps. We found it best to get
started by creating a family tree, which helped us to get
organized and to find other data using the green-leaf
indicators. If you start out searching for data with only
sketchy information, you might get frustrated.
If you've already created a family tree in a stand-alone
program, you can upload it to Ancestry.com, as long as it's
in the industry standard "GEDCOM" format. Walt successfully
did so using a tree that he made five years ago.
It didn't take long for us to create a very basic tree with
just a few generations, adding names, birth and death dates
and locations (if we knew them). We named our trees and made
them public, allowing others to use our data and vice versa.
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users can still learn the name, birth year and birthplace of
a deceased person in your tree. They can also anonymously
contact you for more information using the Ancestry
Connection Service, if you opt to let them do so.
Things got exciting when we saw shaking green leaves appear
beside the names of certain members of our family. Mousing
over these leaves showed us the number of source records
found on each person, and in some cases showed the number of
other users' family trees that could match with ours. You
can browse through these other trees, and if someone else
lists your relative in their tree, you can automatically
fill in blanks in your family timeline and merge those new
facts into your tree.
In many cases, we could see digital images of a family
member's source records including, in the case of our
relatives' draft cards, an actual signature. If you like,
you can share just the images of these documents with others
via email. You can print a copy of any document, or save it
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life-events timeline and the records that you attach to the
profile. This page also has room for an uploaded digital
photo of the person.
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tabs. If you know what type of document you're looking for,
you can start searching with that type of record, such as
the data on immigration records.
As you continue to research your relatives, interesting
facts show up on the side of the screen every so often. In
Katie's case, one fact about her mother's family said, "Most
Chapman immigrants to the US (1120) came from Liverpool,
England, and Queenstown, Ireland." A corresponding link
showed her a pie chart of the six areas from which Chapmans
immigrated.
There are some important downsides to Ancestry.com. Its
display of family trees and options for laying them out on
the screen is far more rudimentary and limited than in the
stand-alone genealogy programs. Its printing options are
crude. The company is working on better display and output
options, including books that contain your trees and related
document images. Also, immigration records are limited
because Ancestry's database currently omits Ellis Island in
New York. The company says the Ellis Island data are coming
within months. Foreign data also are severely limited.
Still, Ancestry.com is a rich site that uses a sensible
layout and encourages learning.		09/06/2006 7:08:41
[POYTHRESS] (no subject)John M. PoythressComments from Helene..updating the LDS activity:

Now regarding the Ancestry. This is exactly what the
New Family Search
will do if and when it gets off the ground. People can send
you a note
regarding your ancestors but only you as the owner of the
tree can change
it. So when you leave this earth, leave the work for
another person to take
it over and be responsible for it. Tex and I will be
learning how to do the
Help and Support for this program in the near future. It is
a huge
undertaking for the LDS church. It will cut oujt the
duplication and help
people converse with one another with sources and documen
tation and the
material will not be accepted without these. We are gettng
a glimpse of the
program and will learn to use it with our own materials. It
is exciting and
will not have a cost involved. It will start in the St.
Louise area first.
Utah will not have it for at least a year. The world will
be split into 7
districts and there are people being trained in all areas at
this time. So
our next 2 years will be exciting and we will find out how
inexperienced we
really are. We have worked over 6 years in the programs and
we still learn
all the time.		09/17/2006 9:12:53
Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTRESS FAMILY OF VA. OF DENWIDDIE AND PRINCE GEORGE COUNTIESJohn M. Poythress-----Original Message-----
From: Kennethkbw2@aol.com [mailto:Kennethkbw2@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 10:55 PM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: POYTRESS FAMILY OF VA. OF DENWIDDIE AND PRINCE
GEORGE COUNTIES



AM LOOKING FOR INFO ON DELPHA POYTRESS B. CA.1740 IN VA.
MARRIED A WILKINSON FROM DENWIDDIE CO, EVADENTLY HE DIED AND
SHE MARRIED A POYTRESS SECOND TIME. DELPHA D. 1811 AND LEFT
A WILL IN LINCOLN CO. NC WILL IS NOW IN NC ARCIVES IN
RALEIGH .THERE IS A SHERIFF'S RECORD IN DENWIDDIE CO. VA.
STATING A DISPUT BETWEEN JAMES WILKINSON AND MR. POYTRESS
OVER LAND CA.1790.? JAMES WAS HER OLDEST SON REV. WAR
SOLIDER FROM DINWIDDIE AREA HE WAS B. 1763 IN SAID AREA. IF
YOU HAVE ANY INFO OR MARRIAGE BONDS PLEASE FOWARD ! THANK
YOU KEN WILKINSON







Ken, apologies for the delayed reply but I"ve been laid up a
tad. I have in Mecklenburg records:



8 Sep 1783

It appearing to the Court by a note proved by the Oath of
Lewis Williams that Delphy Whitlow widow of Poythress
Cleaton deced. has relinquished her right of administration
to Stephen Mabry. On the motion of the said Stephen
certificate is granted him for obtaining letters of
administration on the estate of Poythress Cleaton deced. he
having made Oath and together with Lewis Williams his
security entered into and acknowledged their Bond in the
penalty of five hundred pounds conditioned as the law
directs. [Mecklenburg Order Book 5, page 421]



and then:



9 Sep 1783

Delphy, widow of Poythress Cleaton, m. _______ Whitlow.

(Meck. Order Book 5)



Adding this to your information this would superficially
suggest to me that Delpy/Delpha

married in this order:



m. 1 Poythress Cleaton, (from this record he d. about 1783
Mecklenburg County but that's

about all we know). We have a Cleaton Poythress b. after
1782 who leaves an 1828 will

in Screven County, GA...he is son of Mecklenburg/Brunswick
Meredith Poythress

(m. Edith Cleaton incidentally) who is son of Thomas
Poythress. Our group has drawn a

blank on this Poythress Cleaton. It looks suspiciously like
a reversal except that for some

reason many of those PG County Poythress descendents used
Poythress as a given name

plus the death date of Poythress Cleaton (1783) and the
marriage of Cleaton Poythress'

parents (1781) would rule out this possibility these two men
being the same man. Further,

we know there were other connections between the Cleaton and
Poythress families.



m. 2 _______Whitlow in 1783.



m. 3 ________Wilkerson. (suggesting that she m. Mr.
Wilkerson last although he may

indeed have been b. Dinwiddie County).



I went to Rootsweb search and there are three different
trees showing Delphy Wilkerson

dying in Lincoln County, NC in 1811.



I would love to have a copy of that Dinwiddie County
sheriff's record if you would share it.



Also, Ken, I claim no special knowledge of this lady Delphy
but I do recall that our listserver

(www.poythress.net ) brought up
her name several times a few years ago. I'm taking the

liberty of posting this reply to our list with the hope that
someone else can be of more help to

you than I can.



Warmest regards,



John M. Poythress		09/17/2006 10:21:32
[POYTHRESS] Poythress Cleaton whose widow married a Whitlow & a WilkinsonI'm putting in chronological order some additional Mecklenburg Co, VA records (some I had found in earlier years & some as listed on Maynard's compilation of county records on CD), along with the 2 entries mentioned here earlier today.
Barbara (BPN)

1777 - 11 Oct [Bpn note: I'm including this entry re William Cleaton in case he is the same Wm Cleaton mentioned in the next 2 entries]
d. Jane Poole Cleaton, will proved 11 Oct 1777.
m. William C. Cleaton II.
Mother of Edith Cleaton [who] m. Meredith Poythress 1781
She was daughter of William Poole and Elizabeth Tapley.
[Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 1, p. 241]

1781 - 14 Jul
Meredith Poythress m. Edith Cleaton, Surety: William Cleaton
[Mecklenburg Co, VA Marriage Bonds]

1779 - 12 Apr
An Indenture of Bargain and Sale between William Cleaton of the one part and Poythress Cleaton of the other part and the Memorandum thereon endorsed were proved by the Oaths of Benjamin Malone, Jones Malone & James Standley Witnesses thereto & are Ordered to be recorded.
[Mecklenburg Co, VA Order Book 4, page 458]

1782 Mecklenburg Co, VA Personal Property Tax Records
Name of "Poythress Clayton" was listed (I only found him that one year in my review long ago of Lower District of Mecklenburg County Personal Property tax records on microfilm). In 1782, he was shown with 1-0-0-3-1, the first number of which was for 1 free male tithable (presumably himself)

1783 - 8 Sep
It appearing to the Court by a note proved by the Oath of
Lewis Williams that Delphy Whitlow widow of Poythress
Cleaton deced. has relinquished her right of administration
to Stephen Mabry. On the motion of the said Stephen
certificate is granted him for obtaining letters of
administration on the estate of Poythress Cleaton deced. he
having made Oath and together with Lewis Williams his
security entered into and acknowledged their Bond in the
penalty of five hundred pounds conditioned as the law
directs.
[Mecklenburg Co, VA Order Book 5, page 421]

9 Sep 1783
Delphy, widow of Poythress Cleaton, m. _______ Whitlow.
[Mecklenburg Co, VA Order Book 5)

1783 - 25 Sep
In Katherine Elliott's book "Early Wills of Mecklenburg Co, Virginia" one learns that an Inventory & Appraisal of Estate exists for Poythress Cleaton dec'd, which record was dated 25 Sep 1783, & was recorded 9 Aug 1784. [Bpn note: I don't think I have seen the actual record appraising his estate.]

1790 Reconstructed Virginia Census for Mecklenburg County, from Maynard's CD [Bpn note: Because of the above records indicating Poythress Cleaton was deceased by Sep 1783, probably this record refers to #s of people in the household of his estate]
(State census of heads of families)
Name, # White, # Black
Cleaton, Poythress: 7, 1
Cleaton, William: 11, 1		09/18/2006 10:27:22
[POYTHRESS] FW: Re the poythress-bounces addressJohn M. PoythressForwarded as info:

-----Original Message-----
From: bp_neal@earthlink.net [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 10:32 AM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re the poythress-bounces address

Maynard, I suspect what prompted the "poythress-bounces"
email address, is the fact that I'm in a hotel, going thru
the hotel's email set-up:

Frequently hotel set-ups try to prevent a guest from sending
out an email to huge numbers of recipients -- spam. The
set-up probably made my email to the List automatically get
initially bounced, then reviewed in some way & determined to
not be spam, and finally allowed thru RootsWeb's system. It
all apparently happened pretty quickly, since I notice the
time "stamped" on your copy of my email was pretty close to
the time I hit the Send button.

I view this as an improvement over the way, in a hotel last
year, I was prevented from getting any message to the List
at all.

That may or may not be related to the fact that I could not
send out ANY email for the remainder of last night. Luckily,
this morning I can again send email. But, just in case, I'm
only sending this to you (& you can copy this to the List,
if you like) -- in case sending anything from here to the
List this morning might prohibit me sending out further
emails for the remainder of today. (Superstitious behavior,
I reckon.)

Cheers, Barbara		09/19/2006 7:39:29
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress Cleaton whose widow married a Whitlow & aWilkinsonJohn M. PoythressWhat is "poythress-bounces" etc. ? Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
bp_neal@earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:27 PM
To: POYTHRESS-List
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Poythress Cleaton whose widow married a
Whitlow & aWilkinson

I'm putting in chronological order some additional
Mecklenburg Co, VA records (some I had found in earlier
years & some as listed on Maynard's compilation of county
records on CD), along with the 2 entries mentioned here
earlier today.
Barbara (BPN)

1777 - 11 Oct [Bpn note: I'm including this entry re William
Cleaton in case he is the same Wm Cleaton mentioned in the
next 2 entries]
d. Jane Poole Cleaton, will proved 11 Oct 1777.
m. William C. Cleaton II.
Mother of Edith Cleaton [who] m. Meredith Poythress 1781
She was daughter of William Poole and Elizabeth Tapley.
[Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 1, p. 241]

1781 - 14 Jul
Meredith Poythress m. Edith Cleaton, Surety: William Cleaton
[Mecklenburg Co, VA Marriage Bonds]

1779 - 12 Apr
An Indenture of Bargain and Sale between William Cleaton of
the one part and Poythress Cleaton of the other part and the
Memorandum thereon endorsed were proved by the Oaths of
Benjamin Malone, Jones Malone & James Standley Witnesses
thereto & are Ordered to be recorded.
[Mecklenburg Co, VA Order Book 4, page 458]

1782 Mecklenburg Co, VA Personal Property Tax Records
Name of "Poythress Clayton" was listed (I only found him
that one year in my review long ago of Lower District of
Mecklenburg County Personal Property tax records on
microfilm). In 1782, he was shown with 1-0-0-3-1, the first
number of which was for 1 free male tithable (presumably
himself)

1783 - 8 Sep
It appearing to the Court by a note proved by the Oath of
Lewis Williams that Delphy Whitlow widow of Poythress
Cleaton deced. has relinquished her right of administration
to Stephen Mabry. On the motion of the said Stephen
certificate is granted him for obtaining letters of
administration on the estate of Poythress Cleaton deced. he
having made Oath and together with Lewis Williams his
security entered into and acknowledged their Bond in the
penalty of five hundred pounds conditioned as the law
directs.
[Mecklenburg Co, VA Order Book 5, page 421]

9 Sep 1783
Delphy, widow of Poythress Cleaton, m. _______ Whitlow.
[Mecklenburg Co, VA Order Book 5)

1783 - 25 Sep
In Katherine Elliott's book "Early Wills of Mecklenburg Co,
Virginia" one learns that an Inventory & Appraisal of Estate
exists for Poythress Cleaton dec'd, which record was dated
25 Sep 1783, & was recorded 9 Aug 1784. [Bpn note: I don't
think I have seen the actual record appraising his estate.]

1790 Reconstructed Virginia Census for Mecklenburg County,
from Maynard's CD [Bpn note: Because of the above records
indicating Poythress Cleaton was deceased by Sep 1783,
probably this record refers to #s of people in the household
of his estate]
(State census of heads of families)
Name, # White, # Black
Cleaton, Poythress: 7, 1
Cleaton, William: 11, 1


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[POYTHRESS] POCA heritage ROLFE BOLLINGBarry WetheringtonHello All,
This msg is something of a compendium of the recent 9/20/2006 msgs, focussed around the Rolfe fotos and discussion, for which many thanx.

While there are new data here, our Poca-L List Archives:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/POCAHONTAS.html
contain perhaps 20-50 times as much information, including Poca genealogical trees & data for your review and comment! Looking for your insights.

Good luck and thanks ALL for participating.

Barry

11:00 PM 9/20/2006

=======================
This is the link to the kipaxx property history and also the effort to save it.
Jerry
http://www.bolling.net/bolling_homes_sites.html
=======================
BigJerry's Pics # 638, 639, 641;
Thomas Rolfe, s/o Poca, 1615-1680, VA Conserv Com 1946;

#2 JaneRolfeBolling, D/o Thomas Rolfe, d 1676, VA Conserv Com 1946

#3 - wide photo of both, plus in the middle, all 3 under A tree, a plaque, w/a face.

===================
I will send to the other email,Please let me know if you got them ok.
The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments:
big jerry's pic's 641 (& 638 & 639)

===================
Hi Gordon and Pocahontas fans, I was wondering who you have as Her son?? and
who you have for her sons daughter?? I have seen a few different names and I
am confused, I sent some pictures to you Gordon of the Head Stones of Her
son and His daughter, but I did not receive a response. I hope you got them
, I am wondering if these pictures would be true or ,Is the Virginia
Conservation Committee, Wrong also. Thanks for any help.

Jerry-----
Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [POCAHONTAS] A great book to read.
Hello there Pocahontas Fans,
While in the Northwest Room of the Tacoma Public Library yesterday, I inquired about the library's choice of books. The Librarian replied that most of what is written about Pocahontas is MYTH,But he did manage to find me three titles which do include the books that have been mentioned on this site.

He seemed to believe that Pocahontas herself is a myth.

According to what I have read, all the Powhatons were killed. Maybe it is a good thing that she went to England. Spell check doesn't recognize the Native Powhatons Her son is who kept the heritage line moving on.
Earthfeather

===================
Hi Jerry, and all members,

I would like a copy of your images. We can not post images on the Poca-L
site, but I can and do retain copies for inquiries. I do have some others.
Also, there are a couple of our members who have websites - hope they read
this and send us an e-mail. Please Attach them and send to both my emails
(see below) - sometimes one is better than the other for images.

There is little doubt Pocahontas existed - it's another matter for the
various tales. At one point, I believe we had 6 or 7 different names for
her. Our NA constituencies have assisted magnificently with 'tribal' clan.

Our List Archives contain a few books worth of Poca stories, including a
number of Poca genealogical trees, and many other references, which you can review in our Archives!:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/POCAHONTAS.html

As List Host, I am very interested, but am no expert. You will see a pet
theory of mine in the Archives, which suggests there is a possibility, no
more than that, there was a connection between Poca and Virginia Dare. They
were separated by only a few years and about 100 miles of internal water
passages.

Barry, List Host, Poca-L and LostColony-L.
Archives:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/POCAHONTAS.html
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/NC/misc.html#NC-LOSTCOLONY
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/r/rolfe.html
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/b/bolling.html

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My name, my days, my strife:
then I'll ride upon the wings of time
and live an endless life".
Goetsch

----- Original Message -----
From: "gerald"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:49 PM
Subject: [POCAHONTAS] Fact or Fiction

I have seen some strange remarks and names on this site in the last couple
of days?/ Who is the son of Pocahontas and John Rolfe, and who is the
daughter of Pocahontas's son. I have a couple of pictures of the Head Stones
of what I thought to be the son of Pocahontas and his daughter on the
property where they at one time lived,or at least that is what I was
told,This is on the Kipaxx property. If anyone wants a copy of these
pictures I would be glad to send them as an attachment. Though I am not sure
of the authenticity of them being true ,I did take the pictures and I read
at the local court house about the property and the history behind it. But
who knows??
Jerry

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10:32 PM 9/20/2006
bw
=========================
Jerry,

I would love to have copies of the pictures of the Head Stones
thought to be that of the son of Pocahontas and his daughter.

Thanks,

M. Stewart
mts9090@verizon.net
=======================
This makes me wonder what is the truth. I got into Pocahontas quite back
accident. A woman who lived at Northampton, Virginia is potentially my paternal
great grandmother. When I discovered that Pocahontas Christian name was
Rebecca, that really grabbed my interest. My alleged great grandmother's name was
/is Rebecca Talbot and my grandfather wrote on his WW 1 Draft card "Indian".
His wife came from an Indian family that goes way back to Chief Big Thunder
and his daughter Bright Lightning.So more Indian blood is no surprise.

Rebecca Talbot was living with her two sisters, Polly, and Sarah in 1870
census, They then moved across the water to Norfolk, VA.

But Northampton use to be Accomac, which is Powhaton stomping grounds. At
one time all of Virginia and more belonged to the Powhaton Tribe. Almost
everyone was eventually killed.

BARB

=========================
Yes, Pocahontas's son Thomas and his daughter Jane
were buried together. They are still buried next to
each other today.

According to one distant cousin's research results,
Pocahontas's son Thomas was stabbed to death on the
ship. Two men stabbed Thomas and were hanged for that
crime.

Thomas's daughter, Jane died so young so suddenly when
she gave birth to her son, John Bolling. I descend
from his daughter, Anne Bolling, one of 6 children.

Windy
============================

--- gerald wrote:

> I have seen some strange remarks and names on this
> site in the last couple of days?/ Who is the son of
> Pocahontas and John Rolfe, and who is the daughter
> of Pocahontas's son. I have a couple of pictures of
> the Head Stones of what I thought to be the son of
> Pocahontas and his daughter on the property where
> they at one time lived,or at least that is what I
> was told,This is on the Kipaxx property. If anyone
> wants a copy of these pictures I would be glad to
> send them as an attachment. Though I am not sure of
> the authenticity of them being true ,I did take the
> pictures and I read at the local court house about
> the property and the history behind it. But who
> knows??
>
>
> Jerry
=======================
William H Hanenburg has been successfully
subscribed to POCAHONTAS.

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William Hanenburg"

Please.
bakup1 wrote: > If anyone wants a copy of these pictures I would be glad to send them as an attachment.

Could you please send me a copy of these grave pictures ?
-----------
So do you know of any connection to the Guy family?

Wendy Rieth wrote: Yes, Pocahontas's son Thomas and his daughter Jane were buried together. They are still buried next to each other today.

According to one distant cousin's research results,
Pocahontas's son Thomas was stabbed to death on the
ship. Two men stabbed Thomas and were hanged for that
crime.

Thomas's daughter, Jane died so young so suddenly when
she gave birth to her son, John Bolling. I descend
from his daughter, Anne Bolling, one of 6 children.

Windy
------------------
Are we talking about two different sets of pictures by two different
photographers?

BARB
=========
The family sounds like they have my grandmother's lifespan. My grandmother
Gordon died at 28, her mother died at 25. And my father was killed one week
after his 28th birthday.

Earthfeather
Thank you 🙂
====================
Hi Bill,

Looks to me that you have considered most options, but there is a LOT of genealogy

in the Poca-L Archives. Probably take you half day to Search:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/POCAHONTAS.html

Of course, the Rolfe-L and Bolling-L Archives are also potential sources:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/R/ROLFE.html
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/B/Bolling.html

Barry

Barry Wetherington

----- Original Message -----
From: William Hanenburg
To: Barry Wetherington
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Rolfe


Barry, I hope you can help. I recently found out that I was a Guy descendant.

Grandfather William E. Guy, ggf Theophilous W. Guy, gggf Alexander
Guy, ggggf Theophilus Guy, gggggf William Guy, ggggggf Lemuel Guy.

I was also told from my grandfather, William E. Guy who passed away
in 1955, that I was a descendant of Pocahontas. I was talking to some
newly found kin, and knowing of an artifact of Pocahontas, I they too
confirm that we are all descendants of pocahontas. I can't make the
link. I was just discovering that Anne Rolfe may be a daughter of Thomas
Rolfe and maybe that is some how the connection. I can't seem to make
the connection in the bolling line. Supposedly, it was from Theophilous
W. Guy grandmother which I am finding to be Charlotte Wolfe Theophilus
"OPPY" Guy wife. I actually thought about Willam and Elizabeth being
William Gay and Elizabeth Bolling, but dates do not seem to quite match.

I even think that Wolfe was changed from Rolfe, but again not much
help. Do you have any information that might link this Guy line to
Pocahontas or John Rolfe?

Bill
858.344.7560 PST.
==============
Barb,

I have known Tammy since 11th grade. We have been best
of friends for a very long time. She always volunteer
her time to serve people in need both in and outside
of the church. Community service is very important to
her as it was in past decades among her native people.

Pocahontas served her people the same way and did the
same for the English colony. She provided compassion
services, saving the English colony as it was the
custom of the clans to help those in need. English
people never knew this Indian custom until now.

Ironically, those Native people were far more
Christian consistently and always shared what they had
even though they never had a Bible.

Windy
PS If you visit Indian tribes in New Mexico and
Arizona, you can find many Indian clans caring for one
another; they always help one another. That is the
duty of the clan.
===================================
--- Gordonlantto@aol.com wrote:

You seem to know a lot. Thank you so very much just for being there.

BARB
=============

Barry

Barry Wetherington		09/20/2006 5:25:35
[POYTHRESS] poythressDancinMoon ProductionsYou seem to be well informed about the poythresses..Are you familiar with Jane Poythress whom is said to have married Thomas Rolfe? There is also the spelling "poyers". The way I understand it Jane "Poythress" is supposed to be the daughter of Francis Poythress. There was a Francis Poythress in some kind of early settlers government like House of Burgesses or something like that. The notations made in reference to Thomas Rolfe were all post Thomas Rolfe created..as he left no will that is yet found by anyone.The wording of that post written translation states that the name Jane Poythress (not poyers) was adopted as being the accurate name of the wife of THOMAS ROLFE.When the name Francis Poyers was found as some kind of "official" way back in the EARLY years the name POYTHRESS was in parenthesis after the name poyers. Would you have any information about Francis Poythress and Jane Poythress? I would appreciate it. I'm a descendant of Jane Poythress(Poyers) Rolfe and Thomas
Rolfe.
Les


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09/21/2006 12:23:04
Re: [POYTHRESS] poythressJohn M. PoythressLes....since I could not pick up your return address from
the below email, I'll still take a whack at your question
addressed to the message board, which was:

You seem to be well informed about the poythresses..Are you
familiar with Jane Poythress whom is said to have married
Thomas Rolfe? There is also the spelling "poyers". The way I
understand it Jane "Poythress" is supposed to be the
daughter of Francis Poythress. There was a Francis Poythress
in some kind of early settlers government like House of
Burgesses or something like that. The notations made in
reference to Thomas Rolfe were all post Thomas Rolfe
created..as he left no will that is yet found by anyone.The
wording of that post written translation states that the
name Jane Poythress (not poyers) was adopted as being the
accurate name of the wife of THOMAS ROLFE.When the name
Francis Poyers was found as some kind of "official" way back
in the EARLY years the name POYTHRESS was in parenthesis
after the name poyers. Would you have any information about
Francis Poythress and Jane Poythress? I would appreciate it.
I'm a descendant of Jane Poythress(Poyers) Rolfe and Thomas
Rolfe.
Les

Les: the "text" (although not the "gospel") in this instance
is a slim little volume available almost anywhere titled:
"Pocahontas, alias Matoaka, and her Descendents, through her
marriage at Jamestown, VA etc. etc. The author was Wyndham
Robertson, an early governor of VA who "had something to
gain" from proving "descendency" which should put you on
alert right away.

At any rate, the marriage of Thomas Rolfe (son of John Rolfe
and Pocahontas) to Jane Poythress is widely accepted in the
genealogy community.

Robertson's line is indeed "I adopt "Jane Poythress" (not
Poyers), whom he is stated in the Bolling Memoirs to have
married in England: 1. Because no such name as "Poyers" is
anywhere known, so far as I am advised. 2. Because the
family of Poythress was already settled in Virginia, and in
the immediate neighborhood of Rolfe's residence at
Henricopolis (but a few miles below, and on the other side
of the river) - Francis Poythress appearing as a member of
the House of Burgesses, A. D. 1644, for Charles City (then
including both sides of James River at those points). 3.
Because there is no reference or tradition known of Rolfe
having brought a wife with him from England. And 4. Because
in a work , "Sandringham," concerning the families of
Norfolk, England, and amongst them the Rolfes, the eminent
author, Mrs. Herbert Jones, states that Thomas Rolfe came to
Virginia when about 20 or 25 and "married" there.

Despite the assertions above and the traditional acceptance
of the genealogy community, there is still some probably
legitimate debate on the subject of this marriage.

To sketch the "line": Thomas Rolfe (son of John Rolfe and
Pocahontas) m. Jane Poythress (b. ___, m. 1675. This union
produced one child, Col. Robert Bolling; b. 1676; d. 1709
"of Cobbs" b. 1676; d. 1729"...suggesting that perhaps Jane
Poythress Rolfe died at the birth of her first child.

John Bolling, also a Burgess, m. 2. Mary Kennon, etc. etc.

Of this Kennon marriage issue was 5, enough to produce a
number of children and a veritable internet cottage industry
in proving descent from Pocahontas from the horde of
Bollings issuing from the marriage (and awarding gilt-edged
certificates so stating if one is of a mind to part with 50
bucks or so)....and, if said "Jane Jr." was the only issue
of Thomas Rolfe and Jane Poythress then all of said
Pocahontas descendents descended subsequently from John
Bolling (himself a Pocahontas descendent)and a Mary Kennon.

At any rate, I think further study might suggest to you that
if indeed you are a descendent of Pocahontas it would likely
be from Col. John Bolling (Pocahontas' grandson) and Mary
Kennon. And this itself, of course, assumes that the entire
story is valid and the probabilities suggest that it is.
However, the matter is not a "settled fact."

One thing is certain: you are likely to find more
mis-information on the net than you are information on this
subject. Good luck to you. If you think I can be of
further help, please just ask.

Best regards,

John M. Poythress		09/25/2006 2:42:00
[POYTHRESS] Jane POYTHRESS md. Thomas ROLFE-who are her parentsBarry WetheringtonLaura, Spend time in our rich & extensive Archives:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/POCAHONTAS.html

Barry

Barry Wetherington

----- Original Message -----
From:
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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 1:00 AM
Subject: ROLFE Digest, Vol 1, Issue 3


>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Jane POYTHRESS md. Thomas ROLFE-who are her parents?
> (bradlara@sbcglobal.net)
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: 3 Oct 2006 17:56:17 -0600
> From: bradlara@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: [ROLFE] Jane POYTHRESS md. Thomas ROLFE-who are her parents?
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>
> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IaDBAEB/314
>
> Message Board Post:
>
> Seeking connections, additions, corrections, comments regarding the
> following family:
>
> 1-Jane POYTHRESS
> +Thomas ROLFE
> b: c1615 in England
> . 2-Jane ROLFE
> b: 10 Oct 1650
> d: aft 27 Jan 1676
> . 2-Ann ROLFE
> b: 1665 in Goochland, VA
> . 2-John ROLFE
>
> Laura Koehn
> bradlara@sbcglobal.net		10/04/2006 2:40:35
Re: [POYTHRESS] WSJ.com - Searching for Life's Connection With the PastJohn M. Poythress-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara
Neal
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:53 PM
To: Poythress List
Subject: [POYTHRESS] WSJ.com - Searching for Life's
Connection With the Past

With thanks to Maynard for finding this for us to read:

From Wall Street Journal
October 10, 2006; Page B6

Searching for Life's Connection With the Past
Aided by Online Records,
More Hobbyists Turn
Genealogy Into a Business
By RIVA RICHMOND (riva.richmond@dowjones.com)

Ten years ago, Laura Prescott immersed herself in her
family's history
and its tales of Westward-bound pioneers, New England
farmers,
Revolutionary soldiers and Mayflower passengers.

Following the trail of ancestors who lived in New Hampshire
and
Massachusetts in the 17th century, Ms. Prescott saw "how
much my family
was tied into the nation's history, just on a common level"
as farmers,
tradespeople and Minutemen, she says.

Now Ms. Prescott, 48, a college history major who worked in
banking and
marketing, is turning her love of a good puzzle, a gripping
story and an
era gone by into a full-time profession. Last year, she
joined the
growing ranks of self-employed professional genealogists who
make a
living tracing and chronicling the lives of ordinary
families.

"You can be a professional genealogist if you can get as
interested in
someone else's family as you are in your own," she says. "My
big passion
in genealogy is not just the names and the dates and the
facts. It's
tying it into history and putting flesh on the bones of the
data you can
gather."

Before the Internet, genealogy "was primarily a hobby for
retired
people," says Kathleen W. Hinckley, owner of Family
Detective, of
Westminster, Colo., and executive director of the
Association of
Professional Genealogists.

Indeed, "it wasn't economically feasible to make a living at
it before
the Internet," when travel and printing costs added up to
big expenses,
says Loretta Dennis Szucs, author of genealogy's modern
bible, "The Source."

Professional genealogists charge an average of about $50 an
hour,
depending on what part of the country they are in, and
whether they
offer special expertise such as language skills.

Genealogy is still largely a self-taught trade. Today, only
one
institution, Utah's Brigham Young University, offers a
degree in
genealogy, and it is closely tied to the Mormon faith, which
embraces
genealogy because of a belief that the family is the key
organizing unit
in both this life and the afterlife. Indeed, Salt Lake City
is the home
of the world's largest genealogical library, the Family
History Library.

For Ms. Prescott, who has her own Web site,
www.LauraPrescott.com,
extensive research makes the difference. To bring her
subjects to life,
she studies their towns and times, seeking out county
histories to learn
why people settled there and what kind of community they
created. And
she studies newspaper articles, immigrant and naturalization
records,
land deeds, pension files, wills and probate records, and
even
neighbors' diaries -- an exhaustive search that takes time
and tenacity.
Court records can provide particularly juicy tidbits on
family dramas
like land disputes, divorces and arrests for transgressions
from
prostitution to horse theft, she says.

Ms. Prescott brings these records together in a report
detailing where
she looked, copies or summaries of what she found and,
equally
important, details of what she didn't find. Records can be
incomplete or
lost to flood, fire or time, and relatives may have left
nary a trace.

This plunge into the past by Ms. Prescott and her peers has
been enabled
and driven by the Internet and the rush to digitize data
such as census,
birth and death records and make them available online.

The advent of consumer friendly sites has created a boom in
genealogy
hobbyists, which is in turn nurturing future professionals
and their
clientele.

But it creates competition, as well, and today's
genealogists must offer
strong research skills and a deep knowledge of the potential
resources,
both online and in places like county courthouses, state and
national
archives and at the Family History Library and its satellite
centers,
which are maintained by the Mormon Church.

Genealogy's popularity has been fed by other events, too,
such as the
1976 bicentennial, which sparked a wave of interest in
family history.

"It's all history mysteries," and it's all about the
individual's own
life, says Megan Smolenyak, the genealogist and author who
recently
corrected history by uncovering the identity of the real
Annie Moore, an
Irish girl documented as the first immigrant to enter Ellis
Island who
was later confused with another woman of the same name.
"That's why so
many people get addicted to it."

Ms. Smolenyak, 46, who was a management consultant for 15
years until
she changed careers, has made a living mainly as a
consultant on
television programs, and by helping the U.S. Army track down
the family
members of unaccounted soldiers from past wars. She says she
does 90% of
her work on the Internet, and has her own Web site,
honoringourancestors.com, but she is also quick to pick up
the phone and
call distant family members or anyone else who might speed
her research.
"The two most helpful populations for me are librarians and
funeral home
directors," she says.

But it still isn't easy. D. Joshua Taylor, 21, of Boston,
began
compiling genealogies at age 10 and used his skills to help
pay for his
college education. He has decided, in his case, that making
a living --
and having health insurance -- by serving clients alone
"would be
difficult, if not impossible." While he still takes private
cases, he is
now working for a genealogical society and is in school for
a dual
masters in history and archival management to aid a career
as a librarian.


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[POYTHRESS] WSJ.com - Searching for Life's Connection With the PastBarbara NealWith thanks to Maynard for finding this for us to read:

From Wall Street Journal
October 10, 2006; Page B6

Searching for Life's Connection With the Past
Aided by Online Records,
More Hobbyists Turn
Genealogy Into a Business
By RIVA RICHMOND (riva.richmond@dowjones.com)

Ten years ago, Laura Prescott immersed herself in her family's history
and its tales of Westward-bound pioneers, New England farmers,
Revolutionary soldiers and Mayflower passengers.

Following the trail of ancestors who lived in New Hampshire and
Massachusetts in the 17th century, Ms. Prescott saw "how much my family
was tied into the nation's history, just on a common level" as farmers,
tradespeople and Minutemen, she says.

Now Ms. Prescott, 48, a college history major who worked in banking and
marketing, is turning her love of a good puzzle, a gripping story and an
era gone by into a full-time profession. Last year, she joined the
growing ranks of self-employed professional genealogists who make a
living tracing and chronicling the lives of ordinary families.

"You can be a professional genealogist if you can get as interested in
someone else's family as you are in your own," she says. "My big passion
in genealogy is not just the names and the dates and the facts. It's
tying it into history and putting flesh on the bones of the data you can
gather."

Before the Internet, genealogy "was primarily a hobby for retired
people," says Kathleen W. Hinckley, owner of Family Detective, of
Westminster, Colo., and executive director of the Association of
Professional Genealogists.

Indeed, "it wasn't economically feasible to make a living at it before
the Internet," when travel and printing costs added up to big expenses,
says Loretta Dennis Szucs, author of genealogy's modern bible, "The Source."

Professional genealogists charge an average of about $50 an hour,
depending on what part of the country they are in, and whether they
offer special expertise such as language skills.

Genealogy is still largely a self-taught trade. Today, only one
institution, Utah's Brigham Young University, offers a degree in
genealogy, and it is closely tied to the Mormon faith, which embraces
genealogy because of a belief that the family is the key organizing unit
in both this life and the afterlife. Indeed, Salt Lake City is the home
of the world's largest genealogical library, the Family History Library.

For Ms. Prescott, who has her own Web site, www.LauraPrescott.com,
extensive research makes the difference. To bring her subjects to life,
she studies their towns and times, seeking out county histories to learn
why people settled there and what kind of community they created. And
she studies newspaper articles, immigrant and naturalization records,
land deeds, pension files, wills and probate records, and even
neighbors' diaries -- an exhaustive search that takes time and tenacity.
Court records can provide particularly juicy tidbits on family dramas
like land disputes, divorces and arrests for transgressions from
prostitution to horse theft, she says.

Ms. Prescott brings these records together in a report detailing where
she looked, copies or summaries of what she found and, equally
important, details of what she didn't find. Records can be incomplete or
lost to flood, fire or time, and relatives may have left nary a trace.

This plunge into the past by Ms. Prescott and her peers has been enabled
and driven by the Internet and the rush to digitize data such as census,
birth and death records and make them available online.

The advent of consumer friendly sites has created a boom in genealogy
hobbyists, which is in turn nurturing future professionals and their
clientele.

But it creates competition, as well, and today's genealogists must offer
strong research skills and a deep knowledge of the potential resources,
both online and in places like county courthouses, state and national
archives and at the Family History Library and its satellite centers,
which are maintained by the Mormon Church.

Genealogy's popularity has been fed by other events, too, such as the
1976 bicentennial, which sparked a wave of interest in family history.

"It's all history mysteries," and it's all about the individual's own
life, says Megan Smolenyak, the genealogist and author who recently
corrected history by uncovering the identity of the real Annie Moore, an
Irish girl documented as the first immigrant to enter Ellis Island who
was later confused with another woman of the same name. "That's why so
many people get addicted to it."

Ms. Smolenyak, 46, who was a management consultant for 15 years until
she changed careers, has made a living mainly as a consultant on
television programs, and by helping the U.S. Army track down the family
members of unaccounted soldiers from past wars. She says she does 90% of
her work on the Internet, and has her own Web site,
honoringourancestors.com, but she is also quick to pick up the phone and
call distant family members or anyone else who might speed her research.
"The two most helpful populations for me are librarians and funeral home
directors," she says.

But it still isn't easy. D. Joshua Taylor, 21, of Boston, began
compiling genealogies at age 10 and used his skills to help pay for his
college education. He has decided, in his case, that making a living --
and having health insurance -- by serving clients alone "would be
difficult, if not impossible." While he still takes private cases, he is
now working for a genealogical society and is in school for a dual
masters in history and archival management to aid a career as a librarian.		10/10/2006 9:53:05
Re: [POYTHRESS] WSJ.com - Searching for Life's Connection With the PastDeloris RileyThis sounds like a wonderful opportunity to get some professional
help--HOWEVER, I do sense a trend in the very near future where, maybe,
there will be a lot of peopl charging for info. I hope not. Sharing
with fellow kinsman is part of the mystery and excitement. Thank you
for the source! Deloris

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Neal
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:53 PM
To: Poythress List
Subject: [POYTHRESS] WSJ.com - Searching for Life's Connection With the
Past


With thanks to Maynard for finding this for us to read:

From Wall Street Journal
October 10, 2006; Page B6

Searching for Life's Connection With the Past
Aided by Online Records,
More Hobbyists Turn
Genealogy Into a Business
By RIVA RICHMOND (riva.richmond@dowjones.com)

Ten years ago, Laura Prescott immersed herself in her family's history
and its tales of Westward-bound pioneers, New England farmers,
Revolutionary soldiers and Mayflower passengers.

Following the trail of ancestors who lived in New Hampshire and
Massachusetts in the 17th century, Ms. Prescott saw "how much my family
was tied into the nation's history, just on a common level" as farmers,
tradespeople and Minutemen, she says.

Now Ms. Prescott, 48, a college history major who worked in banking and
marketing, is turning her love of a good puzzle, a gripping story and an

era gone by into a full-time profession. Last year, she joined the
growing ranks of self-employed professional genealogists who make a
living tracing and chronicling the lives of ordinary families.

"You can be a professional genealogist if you can get as interested in
someone else's family as you are in your own," she says. "My big passion

in genealogy is not just the names and the dates and the facts. It's
tying it into history and putting flesh on the bones of the data you can

gather."

Before the Internet, genealogy "was primarily a hobby for retired
people," says Kathleen W. Hinckley, owner of Family Detective, of
Westminster, Colo., and executive director of the Association of
Professional Genealogists.

Indeed, "it wasn't economically feasible to make a living at it before
the Internet," when travel and printing costs added up to big expenses,
says Loretta Dennis Szucs, author of genealogy's modern bible, "The
Source."

Professional genealogists charge an average of about $50 an hour,
depending on what part of the country they are in, and whether they
offer special expertise such as language skills.

Genealogy is still largely a self-taught trade. Today, only one
institution, Utah's Brigham Young University, offers a degree in
genealogy, and it is closely tied to the Mormon faith, which embraces
genealogy because of a belief that the family is the key organizing unit

in both this life and the afterlife. Indeed, Salt Lake City is the home
of the world's largest genealogical library, the Family History Library.

For Ms. Prescott, who has her own Web site, www.LauraPrescott.com,
extensive research makes the difference. To bring her subjects to life,
she studies their towns and times, seeking out county histories to learn

why people settled there and what kind of community they created. And
she studies newspaper articles, immigrant and naturalization records,
land deeds, pension files, wills and probate records, and even
neighbors' diaries -- an exhaustive search that takes time and tenacity.

Court records can provide particularly juicy tidbits on family dramas
like land disputes, divorces and arrests for transgressions from
prostitution to horse theft, she says.

Ms. Prescott brings these records together in a report detailing where
she looked, copies or summaries of what she found and, equally
important, details of what she didn't find. Records can be incomplete or

lost to flood, fire or time, and relatives may have left nary a trace.

This plunge into the past by Ms. Prescott and her peers has been enabled

and driven by the Internet and the rush to digitize data such as census,

birth and death records and make them available online.

The advent of consumer friendly sites has created a boom in genealogy
hobbyists, which is in turn nurturing future professionals and their
clientele.

But it creates competition, as well, and today's genealogists must offer

strong research skills and a deep knowledge of the potential resources,
both online and in places like county courthouses, state and national
archives and at the Family History Library and its satellite centers,
which are maintained by the Mormon Church.

Genealogy's popularity has been fed by other events, too, such as the
1976 bicentennial, which sparked a wave of interest in family history.

"It's all history mysteries," and it's all about the individual's own
life, says Megan Smolenyak, the genealogist and author who recently
corrected history by uncovering the identity of the real Annie Moore, an

Irish girl documented as the first immigrant to enter Ellis Island who
was later confused with another woman of the same name. "That's why so
many people get addicted to it."

Ms. Smolenyak, 46, who was a management consultant for 15 years until
she changed careers, has made a living mainly as a consultant on
television programs, and by helping the U.S. Army track down the family
members of unaccounted soldiers from past wars. She says she does 90% of

her work on the Internet, and has her own Web site,
honoringourancestors.com, but she is also quick to pick up the phone and

call distant family members or anyone else who might speed her research.

"The two most helpful populations for me are librarians and funeral home

directors," she says.

But it still isn't easy. D. Joshua Taylor, 21, of Boston, began
compiling genealogies at age 10 and used his skills to help pay for his
college education. He has decided, in his case, that making a living --
and having health insurance -- by serving clients alone "would be
difficult, if not impossible." While he still takes private cases, he is

now working for a genealogical society and is in school for a dual
masters in history and archival management to aid a career as a
librarian.


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quotes in the subject and the body of the message		10/11/2006 10:03:10
[POYTHRESS] Poythress in OxfordTwo questions

1 Any of you with kin in the Oxford area...can any of you claim a man going
by the name "babe" or "baby" in the late 1800's early 1900's. He also would
have been know to make "moonshine" I believe he may have been Peter or Jack.

2. Does anyone on the list have any knowledge of there being Amish
Poythress'? I have a cousin that when driving a truck doing deliveries, came upon a
large farm belonging to a Poythress'. of course since his mother was a
Poythress, he asked the man if he knew if his family originated in Virginia, and
the man said that yes they did.
My cousin says that he was an Amish man, because he wore the Amish clothing.
But he did not have a beard.
Todd could not remember what state he had been in, but knows if was one of
the midwest.

Amish Poythress??? That seems odd to me.
I did find a Poythress in Colorado and the address was -------- Farm. But I
don't believe Colorado is known for it's Amish population. Another reason I
am questioning this is because he said that the mans wife was working at a
store down the road. An Amish women working in a store??? Does that happen?
Maybe he is mistaken about them being Amish....maybe they just were dressed
plainly.
Anybody???
Regards,
Teresa Willis		10/15/2006 2:16:04
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress in OxfordHi Teresa. I cannot answer your question about the Oxford area but the
Poythress in Colorado was probably my Uncle Hutton Poythress who lived on Reynolds
Farm Lane in Longmont Colorado, when he was alive. He was not Amish and not
a Farmer.

Take care,
Elaine

Two questions

1 Any of you with kin in the Oxford area...can any of you claim a man going
by the name "babe" or "baby" in the late 1800's early 1900's. He also would
have been know to make "moonshine" I believe he may have been Peter or
Jack.

2. Does anyone on the list have any knowledge of there being Amish
Poythress'? I have a cousin that when driving a truck doing deliveries,
came upon a
large farm belonging to a Poythress'. of course since his mother was a
Poythress, he asked the man if he knew if his family originated in
Virginia, and
the man said that yes they did.
My cousin says that he was an Amish man, because he wore the Amish
clothing.
But he did not have a beard.
Todd could not remember what state he had been in, but knows if was one of
the midwest.

Amish Poythress??? That seems odd to me.
I did find a Poythress in Colorado and the address was -------- Farm. But
I
don't believe Colorado is known for it's Amish population. Another reason I
am questioning this is because he said that the mans wife was working at a
store down the road. An Amish women working in a store??? Does that
happen?
Maybe he is mistaken about them being Amish....maybe they just were dressed

plainly.
Anybody???
Regards,
Teresa Willis		10/15/2006 2:57:26
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress in OxfordBarbara NealTeresa, re your 1st question, "Any of you with kin in the Oxford
area...can any of you claim a man going by the name "babe" or "baby" in
the late 1800's early 1900's. He also would have been know to make
"moonshine" I believe he may have been Peter or Jack."

While I don't have any known kin in the Oxford area, your question rang
a distant bell. I found some of the same characters in this old message
that I found by searching our List archives. I'll copy it below, in case
any of Lyn's comments back in 1999 help now. I know that sometimes when
I take a 2nd look at something I saw years ago, I see more on the 2nd time.

Note: to anyone wanting to search our Poythress List archives by any
key-word, go to:
http://www.rootsweb.com and there, in the "Mailing List" section, click
on "Interactive Search" and there, type in "Poythress" Then you can
search on any key-word, such as "Jack" for any year, and get a list of
all the messages that included that word.

From the archives, searching on the word "moonshine" I found the below
message, from 4 Feb 1999. It is one that Lyn Poythress Baird posted,
quoting some of your message of 31 Jan 1999. Lyn's comments are inside
square brackets [like this] and he put your comments in quotes.
Cheers, Barbara
= = =

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:42:59 -0600
From:
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Poythress tid-bits

Teresa and all, some comments on Teresa's message of 1/31:

On Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:59:00 -0500 "Teresa Willis"
writes:
"I have talked to my uncle in Raleigh NC, and confirmed that Jack and
Peter were brothers. My uncle is Delzie Theodoric Poythress born 1933.
He said that Jack and Peter were both nick names for these two. And he
believes that at one time they lived in the Brunswick area, but when he
was little they had moved to Oxford NC this is in Granville Co near
Henderson. He was not sure what their given names were, so this may be
the Richard from your 1888 records. My uncle remembers them to live off
of 158, down a long dirt road back in the woods. They did a little
moonshine business together."
[This is an interesting story, but one I fail to connect with. Jack (
A. J.) the brother of James D. Poythress died in Brunswick County in
1936. You can read his will at Lawrenceville; the first Poythress will
recorded in the county since 1760, as I recall. Peter, born in 1865,
would have been quite old for your uncle to remember. However, it would
be worth investigation.]

"That's why I asked about the moonshine kettle story you had about a
Jack, but I assume that is about your Uncle Jack from Brodnax,( is that
Frank's brother?)"
[Frank had a son named Jack who resided in Brodnax all his life. But my
moonshine story is about Frank and Lynn, not about the son Jack. The
story goes that at one time Frank was a deputy sheriff. He learned
about a moonshining operation and asked his brother, Lynn (my
grandfather) to help him with the bust. Lynn agreed, feeling obligated
to help his brother. However, Lynn was also acquainted and sympathetic
with the moonshiners, so he also felt compelled to tip them off that
there would be a raid. So when Frank and Lynn appeared on the scene,
Frank was surprised and Lynn was not that the perpetrators had escaped.]

"Uncle Theodoric says he remembers that my Grand-father Delzie did
associate with some of them because he was a good old soul and liked
everybody for themselves. The one he visited the most was a Benjamin
Poythress(Bennie). My grand-mother always fussed at him for going to
see him, but grand-daddy said that Bennie was a good man and he liked him."
[Teresa, at the risk of being prosaic, could this have been Benjamin J.
Poythress (1914-1994), your grandfather's first cousin? My records
indicate he died in Gaston. I believe he went by Bennie. His father
was Benjamin (Buddy), his grandfather James David, his great-grandfather
Thomas M., his great-great-grandfather Lewis. If so, I do not see an
obvious family connection into the genuine Portugese community about
which Jean has educated us.]

Best regards,
Lyn Poythress Baird		10/15/2006 3:57:22
Re: [POYTHRESS] [Fwd: FW: Warren Poythress's Daughter]John M. PoythressJudy....Bud might know her and her family. I'm thinking
that the Warren Poythress mentioned is a surveyor down there
on whom I have never gotten much of a handle.

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: scruggsjudy@bellsouth.net
[mailto:scruggsjudy@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 4:09 PM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: [Fwd: FW: Warren Poythress's Daughter]

Maynard,
Someone sent this to my son. Are they relatives that you or
Bud might know ?
Judy
>
> From: "Richard Scruggs"
> Date: 2006/10/31 Tue AM 10:55:16 EST
> To:
> Subject: FW: Warren Poythress's Daughter
>
>
>
> Richard A. Scruggs
> Phoenix Solutions, Inc.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: fhagin@aol.com [mailto:fhagin@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:51 AM
> To: rscruggs@phensi.com
> Subject: Warren Poythress's Daughter
>
> Lisa Thomas
>
>
>
> ROCKY FORD - Lisa Marie Poythress Thomas, age 36, died
Monday, October 30,
> 2006, in Screven County. She was a school teacher and a
member of Little
> Horse Creek Baptist Church where she was a Sunday school
teacher. She was
> advisor for SCHS Y-Club, assisted with the writing of the
grant for the Math
> Lab, director of SCHS Prom Planning Committee, in charge
of all school
> pictures, in charge of Miss Panorama contest, on the
Homecoming committee,
> was on the Senior Activity Committee and was a past
Teacher of the Year at
> SCHS. She was very involved in her church, where she was
director of the
> Vacation Bible School program and assisted with the
church's Christmas
> programs.
> Survivors include: husband, George Randall Thomas of Rocky
Ford; daughters,
> Lauren Marie Thomas, Lindsey Caroline Thomas and Madison
Elizabeth Thomas,
> all of Rocky Ford; son, Matthew Randall Thomas of Rocky
Ford; parents,
> Warren and Mary Ann Poythress of Sylvania; grandmother,
Ruby Calloway of
> Sylvania; mother and father-in-law, Bickle and Carol
Thomas of Rocky Ford;
> sisters and brothers-in-law, Christin P. and Duane Owens
of Sylvania, Pamela
> P. and Steven Stokes of Columbia, S.C.; brothers-in-law
and sisters-in-law,
> Bickle Jr. and Carol Thomas and Sharon and Steven Milner,
all of Rocky Ford;
> several nieces and nephews.
> Visitation: Tuesday, 6-8 p.m.
> The funeral service will be at 4 p.m. on Wednesday at the
Screven County
> High School Auditorium with the Rev. David Buie and the
Rev. Tim Huffingham
> officiating. Burial will be in Little Horse Creek Baptist
Church Cemetery.
> Pallbearers: Howard Shuman, Bret Warren, Phil Parker,
Eddie Coleman, Tad
> Bentley, Bob Odum, Lindy Sheppard Jr. and Jared Exley.
> Honorary pallbearers: SCHS Math Department and deacons at
Little Horse Creek
> Baptist Church.
>
> Statesboro Herald, October 31, 2006
> Sign the Legacy online guestbook at HYPERLINK
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www.statesboroherald.com.
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>		11/03/2006 10:43:43
Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 7Debbie Poythress-ConcepcionHello All,

I know who this Lisa Marie Poythress-Thomas is.
Her father, Warren E. Poythress, is the son of Elmon G. Poythress, son of
Gazzie Hannah Poythress, youngest son of William E. Poythress & Martha J.
Usher.

Martha's mother was Jane Hannah, hence Gazzie's middle name.

This is my line and my distant cousins.

Thanks for the info - I'll add to my database.

Debbie Poythress-Concepcion



>From: poythress-request@rootsweb.com
>Reply-To: poythress@rootsweb.com
>To: poythress@rootsweb.com
>Subject: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 7
>Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 23:00:38 -0700
>
>
>
>Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: [Fwd: FW: Warren Poythress's Daughter] (John M. Poythress)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 17:43:43 -0500
>From: "John M. Poythress"
>Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] [Fwd: FW: Warren Poythress's Daughter]
>To:
>Cc: AA Poythress List
>Message-ID: <000601c6ff99$88778050$6101a8c0@D4LGPQ11>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Judy....Bud might know her and her family. I'm thinking
>that the Warren Poythress mentioned is a surveyor down there
>on whom I have never gotten much of a handle.
>
>Maynard
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: scruggsjudy@bellsouth.net
>[mailto:scruggsjudy@bellsouth.net]
>Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 4:09 PM
>To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
>Subject: [Fwd: FW: Warren Poythress's Daughter]
>
>Maynard,
> Someone sent this to my son. Are they relatives that you or
>Bud might know ?
>Judy
> >
> > From: "Richard Scruggs"
> > Date: 2006/10/31 Tue AM 10:55:16 EST
> > To:
> > Subject: FW: Warren Poythress's Daughter
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard A. Scruggs
> > Phoenix Solutions, Inc.
> > Main (770)466-0466
> > Direct (770) 207-5715
> > Mobile (404)276-6003
> >
> > Think and Work Safety 24-7
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fhagin@aol.com [mailto:fhagin@aol.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:51 AM
> > To: rscruggs@phensi.com
> > Subject: Warren Poythress's Daughter
> >
> > Lisa Thomas
> >
> >
> >
> > ROCKY FORD - Lisa Marie Poythress Thomas, age 36, died
>Monday, October 30,
> > 2006, in Screven County. She was a school teacher and a
>member of Little
> > Horse Creek Baptist Church where she was a Sunday school
>teacher. She was
> > advisor for SCHS Y-Club, assisted with the writing of the
>grant for the Math
> > Lab, director of SCHS Prom Planning Committee, in charge
>of all school
> > pictures, in charge of Miss Panorama contest, on the
>Homecoming committee,
> > was on the Senior Activity Committee and was a past
>Teacher of the Year at
> > SCHS. She was very involved in her church, where she was
>director of the
> > Vacation Bible School program and assisted with the
>church's Christmas
> > programs.
> > Survivors include: husband, George Randall Thomas of Rocky
>Ford; daughters,
> > Lauren Marie Thomas, Lindsey Caroline Thomas and Madison
>Elizabeth Thomas,
> > all of Rocky Ford; son, Matthew Randall Thomas of Rocky
>Ford; parents,
> > Warren and Mary Ann Poythress of Sylvania; grandmother,
>Ruby Calloway of
> > Sylvania; mother and father-in-law, Bickle and Carol
>Thomas of Rocky Ford;
> > sisters and brothers-in-law, Christin P. and Duane Owens
>of Sylvania, Pamela
> > P. and Steven Stokes of Columbia, S.C.; brothers-in-law
>and sisters-in-law,
> > Bickle Jr. and Carol Thomas and Sharon and Steven Milner,
>all of Rocky Ford;
> > several nieces and nephews.
> > Visitation: Tuesday, 6-8 p.m.
> > The funeral service will be at 4 p.m. on Wednesday at the
>Screven County
> > High School Auditorium with the Rev. David Buie and the
>Rev. Tim Huffingham
> > officiating. Burial will be in Little Horse Creek Baptist
>Church Cemetery.
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[POYTHRESS] Poythress-Crabb in VirginiaDear All,

I am, unfortunately, at a dead end on what appears to be a Westmoreland County, Virginia connection between the Poythress and Crabb families.

Circa 1780, Benedict Crabb married Mary P. in Westmoreland County. Their children were: Hannah C., William Poythress, Benedict Middleton, Mary Poythress, and Jane. Of these children, Benedict Middleton Crabb had a son named William Poythress Crabb.

The name is, as noted by other Poythress researchers, not common. It is highly likely that the Mary P. noted above was Mary Poythress. However, I can not locate a marriage record for Benedict Crabb and Mary P., and there do not appear to have been any Poythress family members living in Westmoreland County between 1780 and 1840. Mary P. would likely have been born about 1765 to 1770.

Any suggestions that you might have for further research into a possible Poythress connection would be most sincerely appreciated.

Best regards,

Nancy Slater Thompson
Huntingtown, MD		11/08/2006 3:34:06
[POYTHRESS] Jamestown's 400th anniversary - Memoirs of Bolling Family - New Archives AddysBarryHi Betty and thanks for your insights,

Is it your understanding that the Memoirs-

"Memoirs of Bolling Family and Bolling Family Descendants of Pocohontas.
Both had tons of information and I believe both had information on Randolf
and Blair lines. Very helpful." -

have been transcribed to digital format and are avail online? I'm very
interested in seeing them, as, I would expect, are most of our Poca-L list,
and the Bolling descendants. Can you suggest how we could get those Memoirs
posted on Poca-L?

On another important issue, RootsWeb is undergoing major revisions -
hopefully, most of the disruptions are behind us, altho not all are yet.

One change was the location and access to our very extensive Archives.
The Archives can now be accessed at:

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Pocahontas

I just tried them and they are fully functioning! Sometimes, the old
Archives Links still work,
(ex) http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/POCAHONTAS/2006-11/1162625868
which can be helpful when you are actually IN the archives and want to use
an older Link address from an older msg in the Archives, but generally,
stick w/the new, which became effective in Nov 2006:

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Pocahontas
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Rolfe
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Bollings
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Poythress
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Randolf
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Blair

Barry

----- Original Message -----
From: "Betty Henry"
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [POCAHONTAS] Jamestown's 400th anniversary planned


>
> Hi,
> I am looking for information on Benjamin Bolling b 30 Jun1734, d 20 Jan
> 1832. His blood line is one that is being questioned. Blue line and Red
> line. I would like to know if he belongs to (Major John Bolling, Col.
> John
> Bolling, son of Col. Robert Bolling and Jane Rolfe, dau of Thomas and
> Jane.son of John Rolfe and Pocohontas).
>
> I found two good microfilms with the LDS: Memoirs of Bolling Family and
> Bolling Family Descendants of Pocohontas. Both had tons of information
> and
> I believe both had information on Randolf and Blair lines. Very helpful.
>
> If anyone has any comments on my Benjamin, I would appreciate any
> information.
> Betty		11/11/2006 2:17:13
[POYTHRESS] POCA-L: Benj Bolling relationship to Robert Bolling - dna testingBarry WetheringtonNice post Carolyn,

Initially, this may be a situation in which dna could be useful?! As of
now, dna is only dispositive for male descendancy. Female MitaChondrial dna
is useful, especially for dna travel patterns, but not all that genealogical
significant, at least yet!

However, if Poca's father, or brothers, or male cousins can be
identified, or we can assemble a very large pool of candidates, then dna
testing could prove quite helpful - even dispositive. For those not
familiar, a dna 'hit' is useful only if there are other hits in the same
line - AND, even if there are such 'high resolution matches (We have 6 such
close matches in 'my' Wetherington dna testing group), all that is
established, as of this time in science, is that we each (the 6 of us) are
almost certain to have had a common ancestor in the recent past (supposedly,
all males in the world would be a hi resolution match for Adam hundreds of
generations ago). Science is good for this significant male dna finding.
Still, we need more matches (maybe a dozen or 2 would be very useful).
Luckily also, the price drops abt 10-20% a year, and the detecting science
also seems to improve at about the same rate, maybe better.

Even if we could ID her remains, altho they have been moved 1-3 times in
the GravesEnd Church location, Poca's female dna is not yet all that useful.
Thus, Rolfe, Bolling, Poythress, and other male potential dna sources are
where 'the action' is and will remain for the near future, maybe for even
longer.

Of course, the male dna of her father and brothers, uncles, cousins, etc
are just as good, if not better, sources of useful dna. Is anyone aware of
such studies being conducted? If you know a possible male descendant, ask
them to contact one of the testers. We are using FamilyHistorydna.com, and
they are very helpful. Visit their website FYI, even if its just for your
'other' SURNAME. Plan to spend a few weeks online if you want a deep
understanding.

One of the benefits of dna is that it is non-political. It doesn't
matter, for example, at least as of this time, whether your tribal / NA
group is recognized by the feds or not - dna is as near the absolute
genealogical TRUTH as anything can be!

I thought this brief dna intro might be genealogically helpful. And a
few days or weeks, maybe even a couple months of discussion might also be
useful, but deeper analysis, after such a period of such inquiry in our
pages here, such is definitely a subject for another forum.

Barry
BarryHot ;
BarryCast

PS Carolyn, I'm posting this msg w/your entire excellent post still attached
below - for the readers to review. I do suggest that subsequent posters
consider whether all of it need remain for their post.

These Archives are chock full of info, going back, for ex, to even My
1999 msgs included w/Carolyn's post, the posting (and accuracy) of which I
do not even recall!

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Pocahontas
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Rolfe
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Bollings
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Poythress
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Randolf
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Blair

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Graham"
To:
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [POCAHONTAS] Benj Bolling relationship to Robert Bolling


> Re: I am looking for information on Benjamin Bolling b 30 Jun1734, d 20
> Jan 1832. His blood line is one that is being questioned.
>
> What I have on Benjamin BOLLING is below. The problem seems to be his
> connection to the man we "assume" to be his father. Carolyn
>
> Benjamin BOLLING b. 20 Jan 1734, Petersbury, Henrico, VA md. Pattie/Patsy
> PHELPS
> probable s/o John BOLLING Jr.; b. 20 Jan 1699/1700, "Cobbs," Henrico Co.,
> VA m. Elizabeth LEWIS
> s/o John BOLLING; b. 27 Jan 1675/76, of "Cobbs," ENG {or} Kippax, charles
> City, VA md. Mary KENNON
> s/o Robert M. BOLLING; b. 25 Dec 1646, "All Hallows," Barking Parish,
> Tower St., London, London, ENG md. Jane
> ROLFE
>
> NOTES/SOURCES for Benjamin BOLLING:
> ! [9 Sep 1999; Joyce Heiss
> >] "My Benjamin
> BOLLING (various spellings) was b. 20 Jun 1734, (said to be Henrico Co.),
> VA & d. in 1832, Flat Gap, Wise Co., VA, where he is buried (BOLLING
> Cem.) with his second wife. The family put a new monumet on his grave a
> few years ago. I didn't see the original stone, so I don't know if it
> isstill there or was removed by the family....This info came from others
> and I have not tried to check it out myself....Benjamin BOLLING is
> supposed to be the son of John, which would make us related to Pocahontas,
> but there is no real proof of Benjamin's parents...may...know about the
> Benjamin Research Group who are trying to find proof of hisparents. There
> is a good possibility that his father was Edward, not John, but there is
> no proof there either, so far." Joyce's family list:
> Benjamin BOLLING md. 20 Jun 1753, Albemarle Co., VA, to Patsy PHELPS
> Their children:
> 1. Benjamin, b. 1753-1754, md. Sallie Talitha HANCOCK
> 2. William, b. c17557. David b. c1763; lived KY
> 3. James b. 9 Jan 1756, Chesterfield Co., VA; m. Letitia Moore GILLESPIE
> 4. (MY) Jesse, b. 1758, Orange Co., NC
> 5. John b. 13 Apr 1759.
> 6. Joel b. c1761;m. ?Ann GAINES, 17 Jan 1790
> 7. Isham b. c1767-1768; Rowan Co., NC
> 8.Hannah m. Solomon OSBORN
> Benjamin md. #2, c1767-1768, Charity LARRIMORE.
> Their children:
> 9. Levi, b. c1769
> 10. Robert, b. c1770-1771
> 11. Jeremiah, b. 1782
> ! [Mar 2000; "Bolling - Bowling, USA, Roots Tree" by John P. Sullivan;Vol.
> I, Section on Benjamin BOLLING, p. 6] Benjamin; b. 30 Jun 1734,
> Petersburg, Henrico, VA [which later became Dinwiddie Co., VA]; d. 1832,
> Flat Gap, VA. Was an Am Rev. War participant from NC; m. (1)20 Jun 1753,
> Albermarle Co., VA, to Pattie/Patsy PHELPS; m. (2) Charity LARRIMORE.
> Lists 8 children: Benjamin b. 1754; John 1755; Jessee (not proven);Barnett
> {twin} b. 1757; William {twin} b. 1757; Robert b. 1758; Hannah b.1763;
> Elizabeth b. 1767. I have 4 other children listed: James b. 9 Jan1756;
> Joel; b. 1761; David b. 1763; Isham b. 1767 {AF}.
> [Ibid, p. 18] Claimed children of Benjamin BOLLING & Charity LARRIMORE:
> Isaac BOLLING b. 1786, VA; m. a BAKER b. 1788, VA
> Levi BOLLING, b. 1789; m. ?? a cousin ??
> [Ibid; p.1] Benjamin lost his 1st wife, Patsy PHELPS in 1767 when she died
> after giving birth to daughter ELizabeth, while living in Rowan Co., NC;
> then remarried in 1768 his 2nds wife, Charity LARRIMORE and lived in
> Randolph Co., NC by the year 1796, Benjamin had moved back into Rowan Co.,
> VA. In 1801 Benjamin was living in anderson Co., TN.
> [Ibid; p 2] BOLLING family Bibles and documents indicate the birth of
> Benjamin on 20 Jun 1834, Henrico Co., VA; d. 1832, Flat Gap, Wise, VA, as
> a twin to Dorthea, also b. 20 Jun 1723, VA and both were children of
> Elizabeth LEWIS, who was b. 1700/1702, VA, as the 1st born d/O Col. John
> LEWIS & Elizabeth WARNER of Colonial VA....Benjamin never lived in KY and
> it's doubtful he ever visited KY lands. Deed and Tax Lists from KY are
> from his children who owned land in KY, for his children and grandchildren
> did live in KY who moved up from TN.
> [Ibid; Section on DeBOLLING; p. 8] Benjamin was an Am. Rev. War Vet
> andFrench-Indian War Vet. He met his wife while acting as Overseer of
> hisfather's vast land holdings. Her served under English General
> BRADDOCK,who had young George WASHINGTON in his unit, in the French-Indian
> War.BRADDock was killed and buried by George in the middle of the
> Wildernessroad. later named Braddock Road. Benjamin served in the
> Virginia Militiafrom 1776 to 1781 era. He lived first with his wife,
> Patsy, in WilkesCo., NC; them with each wife in Randolph Co, NC, which
> split from RowanCo., NC. thereafter Benjamin and his 2nd wfe, Charity,
> moved after 1795,into East TN until 1809. In his old age, in 1810, they
> returned foreverintothe new Wise Co., VA. Charity & Benjamin are buried
> by their son,Jeremiah. Benjamin and some of his children lived in Green &
> AndersonCo., TN, for 8 years bef. he, in old age, returned to Va, the
> winter of1809-1810. He died 1832,m at age 98.
> ! [21 Apr '03; "Bollings," by Hattie L.
> Bolling>]
> "BenjaminBolling ( June 30, 1734-Jan. 30, 1832 ) son of Major John Bolling
> (1700-1757) and Elizabeth Blair was born in Wilkes County, North
> Carolina.The Bollings were among tht first to brave the dangers of the New
> World.Evidently the love for adventure was inherited by Benjamin. He was
> thefirst settler on the Pound. He first came into what is now Wise
> Countyabout 1789 and claimed all the land that he could see on the Guest
> River( Esserville ). The pioneer built a cabin and lived there two to
> threeyears. One day a home seeker came by with a rifle and a couple of
> houndpups, which caught his eye. A trade was soon made and the pioneer,
> Ben,returned to his home and civilization thinking the lure for adventure
> wasover. Little time had elapsed until the call of the wilderness
> overcamehim. He shouldered his gun, whistled t!
> o his dogs, and hit the trail. Afew weeks later Benjamin reached Fox Gap
> in the Black Mountains. Heviewed the valley which was to be his home. This
> was to be later known asFlat Gap ( located in now what is Wise County,
> Va. )."
> NOTE: This book evidently lists the following children as belonging
> toBenj & Patsy: Benjamin, John, James, Barnett, William, Jessee,
> Hannah,Elizabeth, Delaney*, Jeremiah*, Justice*, Isaac* & Levi*. Of
> thesechildren, John P. Sullivan who wrote "Bolling-Bowling, USA, Roots
> Tree,"lists these children: Delaney, Jeremiah, Justice, Isaac, & Levi as
> belongto Benjamin & Charity, his 2nd wife.
>
> NOTES/SOURCES for John BOLLING Jr.:
> NOTE: Not proven he's the father of Benjamin.
> ! [Mar 2000; "Bolling - Bowling, USA, Roots Tree" by John P. Sullivan;Vol.
> I, Section on Benjamin BOLLING, p. 1 & 2]
> NOTE: "Major John BOLLING is known to have fathered 27 children, of which
> 22 are known to have lived, of two wives. He liked women!
> --Title: Major
> ! [Mar 2000; "Bolling - Bowling, USA, Roots Tree" by John P. Sullivan;Vol.
> I, Section on Benjamin BOLLING Addendum; p. 2] Major John BOLLING,b. 1700,
> Va; d. 1768, VA; m. Elizabeth BLAIR.Col. John BOLLING & MaryKENNON. He m.
> (1) Elizabeth LEWIS in June or July of 1726 and there weremembers of 'The
> House of Burgess" who attended both weddings. The monthhas been
> historically listed through the folllowing: May, June, Jul, andAug. Wife
> (2) Elizabeth BLAIR.
> [Ibid; Section on DeBOLLING; p. 4] NOTE: Both John & Elizabeth BLAIRd.
> in Chesterfield Co., VA. Maj. BOLLING did not name all his childrenin his
> early Colonial Written legal 'will'. He was a known womanizer inhis day.
> Many of his children were never named in his last writtendocument & not
> listed in his early written' will. By custon of 'ColonialLaw' there was
> no legal requirement to name each child after naming thefirst born son.
> John d. in 1768.
> ! [3 Apr '01;
> >]
> b. 'Cobbs',Henrico Co., VA; d. 'Cobbs', Henrico Co., VA; m. [1] 1720 to
> ElizabethLEWIS; m. [2] Elizabeth Bland BLAIR.
> ! [Jun '03; FHL, Salt Lake City, UT; "Colonial Families of the
> SouthernStates," by Stella Pickett Hardy, 973 D81; Gen. Pub. Co,
> Baltimore, 1968;p. 72] m. 1 Aug 1728, Elizabeth BLAIR.
> --member of the House of Burgess member & Justice for more than
> thirtyyears
> --County Lieut. of Chesterfield and commanded the Militia andp residedover
> the Courts, ect.
>
> NOTES/SOURCES for John BOLLING Sr.:
> ! [Mar 2000; "Bolling - Bowling, USA, Roots Tree" by John P. Sullivan;Vol.
> I, Section on Benjamin BOLLING, p. 3] John BOLLING Sr.; b. 27 Jan1676, of
> Cobbs, ENG; d. 20 Apr 1729, VA; m. 1697, VA, to Mary KENNON.
> NOTE: The descendants of John & Mary are "Red BOLLING's /
> BOWLING's".Known as John of "Cobbs".
> --Member of "House of Burgesses of Colonial Virginia".
> --Title: Colonel
> ! [Mar 2000; "Bolling - Bowling, USA, Roots Tree" by John P. Sullivan;Vol.
> I, Section on Benjamin BOLLING, p. 1]
> --Member of House of BURGESS from Henrico Co., as was his son, Maj.
> JohnBOLLING.
> [Ibid; section on DeBOLLINGS; p. 3] NOTE: John was raised by a'nannie'
> for three years, then raised by Anne STITH. He and Mary KENNONhad 1 son &
> 5 daughters. They and their descendants are "Red" BOLLINGs.
> ! [4 Dec '00; Gary Cooper
> >; POCAHONTAS-L] Alt.
> b.date 26 Jan.
> ! [3 Apr '01;
> >]
> b. Kippax, VA;d. Cobbs, Henrico, VA; m. 29 Dec 1697, Henrico Co., VA to
> Mary KENNON.
> ! [01 Jan ;02; GenCircles
> >; Mary Ann
> Stephenson>] bur. Apr
> 1729, Henrico, VA.
> ! [11 Jan '02; WorldConnect
> >; Barbra
> Kozisek>]
> NOTE: John was known as "John of Cobbs". He was a planter and engagedin
> commeerce with both whites and Indians.
> --1699: Justice of Henrico Co.
> ! [16 Oct '02; Lucky & Bonnie Miller
> >]
> Note: He was raised by aNannie in the household of Robert for three years
> before Robertremarried, December 1681, to Anne Stith. During this three
> year period, aa few years thereafter, the Indian Nations have recorded
> relatives ofPochahontas that continued contact with Robert and his son,
> just as theydid during the very short marriage of Jane Rolfe to Robert.
> John Bollingwas the only heir to Pocahontas in 1676, as her ONLY living
> Great Grandson of this historical descent status.
> ! [Jun '03; FHL, Salt Lake City, UT; "Colonial Families of the
> SouthernStates," by Stella Pickett Hardy, 973 D81; Gen. Pub. Co,
> Baltimore, 1968;p. 72]
> --staunch and liberal supporter of the Estaqblished Church
>
> NOTES/SOURCES for Robert M. BOLLING:
> ! [10 Dec 1999; Poca-L; Barry Wetherington
> ;"Colonial;"Colonial>
> Family of the Southern States of America; p. 74] Robert BOLLING; b. 1645.
> --of "Kippaz" [sometimes called Farmingdale], Prince George Co., VA
> --founder of BOLLING family in VA
> --arrived in the Colony 2 Oct 1660 at age 14 & soon attained fortune
> &prominence in affairs of borth Church & State
> --1858: his remains were removed form "Kippax" to the mausloeum
> atBlandford Cem., erected by his great grandson.
> ! [4 Oct 2000; POCAHONTAS-L; Barry Wetherington
> ]m.[1]m.[1>] Jane ROLFE;
> m.[1] 1681, Ann STITH.
> --settled in Prince George Co., VA
> --House of Burgess, Sheriff, surveyor, Col. and Lt. Col.
> ! [Mar 2000; "Bolling - Bowling, USA, Roots Tree" by John P. Sullivan;Vol.
> I, Section on Benjamin BOLLING, p. 3] b. 26 Dec 1646, "All
> Hallows,Barking Parish, Tower Street, London, ENG; d. 17 Jul 1709, Charles
> City,VA.
> --came to Virginia Port, 2 Oct 1660, and returned to London in 1673,where
> he had a daughter born named Jane
> BOLLING, 1674, by an unkn wife in London. Then returned to VA without
> any wife or child on thetrip; thereafter, in early
> 1765, met and married Jane ROLFE as his 2nd wife, in 1675, in what became
> Henrico Co., VA, and later
> GoochlandCo., VA.
> --Member of House of Burgesses of Colonial Virginia
> --known as "Robert of Kippax", a 623 acre farm south of the
> AppomattaxRiver in VA.
> [Ibid; Section on DeBollings; p. 2] m. (3) Anne D. STITH. He owned landin
> three counties of VA.
> ! [3 Apr '01;
> >]
> d. Kippax,Charles Co., VA; m. Petersbury, Indian City, VA.
> ! [01 Jan ;02; GenCircles
> >; Mary Ann
> Stephenson>]
> NOTE: "Baptized at All Hallows, emigrated to America, arrived 10/2/1660at
> age 13, married 1675, to Jane [d/o Thomas ROLFE and great-granddaughter to
> Pocahontas.] His wife died the next year [1676],leaving one child, John,
> b. 1/26-27/1676. Robert then married in 1681,to Jane Anne STITH. Seven
> children - Robert, Stith,Edward, Anne, Drury,Thomas and Agnes." {Mary Ann
> doesnt mention the 8th child she has listed,Molly.} "Descendants of Jane
> Anne STITH BOLLING are referred to as the'White Bollings' and descendants
> of Jane ROLFE BOLLING are referred to asthe 'Red Bollings." Robert
> Bolling died at Kippax, VA, 6/17/1709.
> He was b. 26 Dec 1646, All Hollows, Barking Parish, Power {Tower?}St.,
> London, ENE. He arrived in America 2 Oct 1660 at the age of 14. Helived
> in what is now Prince George co., VA. He died 17 Jul 1709, PrinceGeorge
> Co., VA. His remains were later moved to Bristol Parish Church."
> ! [05 Jan '02; Gen Circles
> >; Pat
> Chadwick>] m.
> London, ENG.
> ! [15 Jan '03; Owen Blevins, 729C Polo Drive North Columbus, OH 43229]m.
> Anne STITH in Kippax, Charles City Co., VA.
> ! [Jun '03; FHL, Salt Lake City, UT; "Colonial Families of the
> SouthernStates," by Stella Pickett Hardy, 973 D81; Gen. Pub. Co,
> Baltimore, 1968;p. 71]
> --Title: Colonel		11/17/2006 11:11:17
[POYTHRESS] William Poythress division of estate update & Rebecca TaylorJulie CabittoHappy Thanksgiving every one!
__________________________________________________________
Back in Feb I asked Maynard if he had a request for Wills. I sent a list I found of VA Poythress wills. Maynard said he had all of them on the list except the division of estate of William Poythress in Prince George County, VA in 1771.

I went to the library and when I asked them to send for the record, they told me it was not found. Today I finally had a chance to go back to the LVA. I asked a worker if she could again check on the record and see if it had been found since Feb. Back in Feb when I put the request and it was found missing, they pulled the index listing from the main database until they could locate where the record was. Luckily I had the old index paper printed so they could track the record. The library of Virginia actually purchased this record from a private collection. So the librarian did some investigating for me, and thinks she found it. But the library closed early today for Thanksgiving. She said she hopes to find it and mail it to me. But it may take two weeks with holidays. She took my phone number and email address and said she give me an update in a few days. So when I hear back, I'll let you know. All the workers I've ever met at LVA are very kind and very helpful, and want to help you find things. It isn't too common for a box of records to get lost, and they've worked real hard to get it back.
So just wanted to share. Thought you might appreciate their efforts 🙂
_______________________________________________________
Also, I think I've looked at all the Poythress records left I could find, that you all haven't already found, in Mecklenburg Co, VA. I really want to find out who Rebecca Taylor is, that married Lewis Poythress. I hope to prove the links of Sarah Poythress being their daughter. This Sarah is a gr...grandma of mine. So I hope to follow some Taylors. It's a common name, but they had money and left a better paper trail than the Poythress did. I do know some Taylors from Mecklenburg VA came from Surry County VA. So the first will I pulled was in 1786 Surry County
James Taylor's last will and testament. Will book 12, pg 142 & 143
James Taylor's wife is Rebecca. He has a son Francis, son James, daughter Martha White.
Will was proved Dec 26, 1786.
_________________________________________________________
So I am wondering, do we know for sure that Rebecca Taylor's maiden name is Taylor? What if Rebecca was married to a Taylor, and then to Lewis Poythress, and since Taylor wouldn't be a maiden name that's why she's hard to find? Wonder what the possibilities are this Rebecca in this will married Lewis Poythress. She married Lewis in 1802 after this will. Lewis Poythress was estimated born abt 1760. I haven't seen anything to indicate a possible age for Rebecca. I'll see if I can find more about this family, and I'll still keep looking through Taylor records. My hope is to find a Taylor record that says "My daughter Rebecca Poythress". But that would be too easy right? There's about 20 Taylor chancery cases in about the right time period, so I'll keep checking them out little by little. Does anyone have anything to prove or disprove this possible idea?
Love,
Julie		11/22/2006 10:09:01
Re: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress division of estate update & Rebecca TaylorJulie - Great work toward the William Poythress estate record. And I'm so glad you're working on the Taylor angle; all you mentioned sound like good ways to go about that. All I know for sure about Rebecca is that she had shown, a middle initial of "B" on the marriage record. I'm traveling so don't have access to all my info. Thanks so much for your good work.

Happy Thanksgiving,
Barbara



11/23/2006 3:56:34
Re: [POYTHRESS] [Fwd: FW: With age comes wisdom]I'll tell you guys, I'm older than 81 but still I think I would have kissed
that darn frog myself! How 'bout you? ... Bud
=====================================================

In a message dated 11/27/2006 2:20:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, jnbrowning
writes:

Subject: FW: With age comes wisdom Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:09:42
-0600 From: Richard McDowell __ (mailto:mathematic@grics.net) To:
John & Nancy Browning __ (mailto:jnbrowning@gallatinriver.net)

Truly, truly with age comes wisdom!

From: "John Harris"
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 22:59:44 -0600
To: "John D. Harris"
Subject: With age comes wisdom


With age comes wisdom

A guy is 81 years old and loves to fish. He was sitting in his boat the
other day when he heard a voice say, "Pick me up."
*
He looked around and couldn't see any one. He thought he was dreaming when
he heard the voice say again, "Pick me up."
*
He looked in the water and there, floating on the top, was a frog.
*
The man said, "Are you talking to me?"
*
The frog said, "Yes, I'm talking to you. Pick me up. Then, kiss me and
I'll turn into the most beautiful woman you have ever seen. I'll then give you
more sexual pleasure than you ever could have dreamed of."
*
The man looked at the frog for a short time, reached over, picked it up
carefully, and placed it in his front breast pocket.
*
Then the frog said, "What, are you nuts? Didn't you hear what I said? I
said kiss me and I will l give you sexual pleasures like you have never had."
*
He opened his pocket, looked at the frog and said,
"Nah, at my age I'd rather have a talking frog."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
*		11/27/2006 12:54:18
[POYTHRESS] The New WorldJust a little bit of trivia for anyone who likes trivia

If any of you have seen the movie The New World, a couple of the scenes were
shot in Brunswick County.

Hope all on the list are well, and that everyone of you have a wonderful and
safe Christmas.

Teresa Willis



11/29/2006 11:18:40
[POYTHRESS] Change of address!!Fred UpchurchHello, everyone!

Dee and Fred Upchurch have a new e-mail address: deefred@bellsouth.net

Please note this in your address book, and delete our old address.

Time Warner, our old provider, will forward e-mails from our old mailbox for a limited time only.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!


Regards,


Dee and Fred Upchurch



12/07/2006 10:55:52
[POYTHRESS] Remember to whitelist meJerry PoythressI use a good spam filter, and you probably do the same.
I have whitelisted you and that means that I will receive all the emails you send to me.
I would appreciate it if you would whitelist my email address: jerryp@always-online.com in your spam filter.

If you don't have a spam filter, I can recommend SPAMfighter. It is a highly effective free spam filter for Outlook and Outlook Express.

You can get the free SPAMfighter here:
http://www.spamfighter.com/Pro

I hope that you will whitelist me, so we can continue to communicate safely via email in the future.

Best regards

Jerry Poythress



01/04/2007 8:13:24
[POYTHRESS] Passing of Albert R Tims, SrBarbara NealI've just learned from Judy of the death Thursday (4 January 2007) in
Florida, of Albert Rae Tims, Sr (father of our Poythress research
website's webmaster). He turned 77 in late November. Al Sr and his
wife, Nell, who is a descendant of James Speed Poythress, lived in
Meridian, Mississippi for many years before moving to FL, north of
Tampa. Judy said his body is to be cremated; I have no info about a
service for him and I was not able just now to find any obituary online
for him.

Our sympathy goes out to Nell, Al Jr, and the entire family. Let's keep
them in our prayers.

Barbara Poythress Neal		01/07/2007 6:47:08
[POYTHRESS] DNA project- VA1600s.net & Poythress removal from itBarbara NealDear All,

Today I've had several messages from some of the participants in our
Poythress Surname DNA Project (for Poythress males' Y-DNA) regarding a
message they've gotten this week saying that these Poythress fellows
have been "removed from Surname Project VA-1600YDNA" by their Group
Administrator.

Y'all probably don't even recall that back in July, someone had written
to me about the existence of the Virginia 1600s DNA project group, and I
had corresponded briefly with the fellow who was inviting others to join
it. I explained to him that we seem to be descended from Francis
Poythress who was in Virginia by 1632. He had suggested we Poythresses
join so we'd be able to compare the DNA results our Poythress men had
already gotten, with the results of other families' surnames from
Virginia in the 1600s.

So I signed up several of our fellows. Upon doing so, I soon got an
email from the VA-1600s volunteer group administrator, who explained
that we were welcome to join AS SOON AS each fellow submitted his
pedigree chart showing his direct male ancestry back to a man who
resided in Virginia prior to 1700.

As I then explained to their volunteer group administrator, and
explained to our Poythress-list on July 23, 2006, "Since missing
Virginia records have prevented us, so far, from making a connection of
our pedigrees of our 1700s ancestors to Francis Poythress or to one of
his descendants who lived pre-1700, we Poythress folk are not yet
eligible to join the VA-1600s Y-DNA project."

Their Administrator has assured us (back in July, and again in this
week's messages) that should we make that pedigree connection, we will
then be welcome to join their VA-1600s Project and compare our Poythress
DNA with the DNA of other surnames in their project.

I'm again sorry for my misunderstanding in July that led to the
erroneous attempt to join some Poythress DNA participants to their
VA-1600s DNA Project prematurely.

Hope this clears up the confusion regarding the messages some of you
have just gotten this week about the VA-1600s project removing your name.

Barbara Poythress Neal
Volunteer Group Administrator of
Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA Project		01/09/2007 2:53:44
[POYTHRESS] Poythress/Poytress DNA StudyBarbara NealFamilyTreeDNA is in the process of giving results from recent DNA tests,
and I understand that the results from all 67 markers will hopefully be
done within another week or so for all of our Poythress / Poytress
Surname Y-DNA Project participants.

In the meantime messages are arriving from FamilyTreeDNA about matches
on 12 markers & on 25 markers, etc.

As soon as the results are in from all 67 markers, I'll be better able
to make sense out of it all for us, and see how our recent participants'
results compare to others received earlier.

I'm also hoping to receive the results soon from a re-examination of one
marker that, for David, for some reason had a slightly different result
than all our other participants to date.

More news when I know more -- hopefully soon.

Barbara Poythress Neal
Volunteer Group Administrator of
Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA Project		01/09/2007 3:00:17
[POYTHRESS] David Poythress bondsman 1829 King-Taylor marriageBarbara NealTonight I just happened to notice that, in Mecklenburg County, VA, for a
January 1829 marriage, David Poythress was bondsman. Vogt & Kethley show
it in their book of Mecklenburg County, VA marriages as a marriage
between Spancer (sic) King and Elizabeth Y. Taylor. The bond was dated
26 Jan 1829; the minister was James Smith, and the marriage was
apparently conducted on 29 Jan 1829.

This gives us an additional connection of a Poythress and a Taylor,
which is great.

And it seems to me that we had some record previously involving someone
surnamed King -- perhaps a Poythress or Cleaton deed, maybe? Can anyone
help me figure out why the surname King seems familiar from some record
we've seen?

Thanks for any help,
Barbara (BPN)		01/09/2007 3:20:21
Re: [POYTHRESS] David Poythress bondsman 1829 King-Taylor marriageJulie CabittoGeorge King was bondsman for Sarah Poythress and William Archer Dortch in
Warren County, NC on 31 Jan 1837. (Sarah and William lived in Mecklenburg,
but were married just across the border in NC) Sarah is believed to be the
daughter of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor. There are King-Taylor
connections in the Bracey part of Mecklenburg County, VA.
Very glad you found this.
Love,
Julie Cabitto

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Neal"
To: "Poythress List"
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:20 AM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] David Poythress bondsman 1829 King-Taylor marriage


> Tonight I just happened to notice that, in Mecklenburg County, VA, for a
> January 1829 marriage, David Poythress was bondsman. Vogt & Kethley show
> it in their book of Mecklenburg County, VA marriages as a marriage
> between Spancer (sic) King and Elizabeth Y. Taylor. The bond was dated
> 26 Jan 1829; the minister was James Smith, and the marriage was
> apparently conducted on 29 Jan 1829.
>
> This gives us an additional connection of a Poythress and a Taylor,
> which is great.
>
> And it seems to me that we had some record previously involving someone
> surnamed King -- perhaps a Poythress or Cleaton deed, maybe? Can anyone
> help me figure out why the surname King seems familiar from some record
> we've seen?
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Barbara (BPN)
>
>
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> quotes in the subject and the body of the message		01/10/2007 3:10:02
[POYTHRESS] Legal age in Colonial VirginiaBarbara NealBy way of a research-helpful New Year's greeting/gift to all of us
researchers, I'm transcribing the below here -- so we can all refer to
it later in our RootsWeb online message archives. This short article
pertains to a question that we all should often ponder when we're doing
our research.

The article was first published in the Virginia Genealogical Society
(VGS) August 1987 "Magazine of Virginia Genealogy," Vol.25 Number 3,
p.52, and is presented here by permission from its author, Dr. Edgar
MacDonald (who edits the quarterly "Archives News" of the Friends of the
Virginia State Archives) and VGS.

When he gave me his permission to post this short article here, Dr.
MacDonald also mentioned that he has more recently presented a fuller
version of this same subject. Fred Dorman published in "The Virginia
Genealogist" Vol.49 Number 2 (April-June 2005), on pp.84-94, Dr. Edgar
MacDonald's 11-page article "Estimating Ages in Colonial Virginia: Some
Reservations." I'm pleased to refer you to that article.
Happy New Year,
Barbara Poythress Neal
= = =
Misconceptions Concerning "Legal" Ages
by Edgar MacDonald

In carefully researched family histories one continually sees such
statements as "In witnessing the deed he must have been of age and
therefore born before ____" and "He bought land in ____ and therefore
must have been 21 as of that date." Two errors infect the first
statement. While 21 was agreed on as being "of age" in the usual sense,
under English Common Law a father's will, having the force of law,
frequently determined when a child became of age. Virginia court
records abound in instances where fathers named their children "of age"
as early as 15 and 16. Indeed, a father could give a child "his
freedom" verbally. More important, however, is the fact that under
English Common Law a witness did not have to be 21 to qualify as such.
An "infant," the legal term for anyone under 21, could testify at any
age when understanding was presumed, and under common law the age of 14
was accepted without question as the age of discretion.

In the second instance, a minor could perfectly well buy land if he had
the means or credit. At 14 a male could marry, sign contracts, choose
his guardian, bequeath personal property, apprentice himself. He could
even sell land as a minor but was usually required to confirm the sale
upon arriving at the age of 21; however, where unchallenged, few of
these confirmations found their way into the records. The general
assumption by many genealogists that 21 was the universal age for civic
activities is simply erroneous. While a male had to be that age to
vote, he was taxed at 16 and frequently he was mustered into the militia
at 16. For most of his activities concerning his personal affairs, the
colonial male in Virginia, and elsewhere, was imminently qualified to
affix his name to public documents at the responsible age of 14.		01/10/2007 5:26:44
Re: [POYTHRESS] David Poythress bondsman 1829 King-Taylor marriageBarbara NealThanks, Julie, re the info about George King being a bondsman for the
1837 marriage of Sarah Poythress & William Archer Dortch.

Can anyone else please help me re-locate whatever other document we've
seen a "King" involved with? Thanks for any help.

Cheers, Barbara (BPN)		01/10/2007 5:40:39
Re: [POYTHRESS] Legal age in Colonial VirginiaJLPIt can be even more complicated than that... "Legal age" in the case
of a deceased parent was also modulated by whether or not a child was
put under guardianship, and what the conditions of that guardianship
were. But the main point is certainly correct: one did not have to be
21 to buy or sell land or other court activities that we now normally
associate with being of "legal age."

And here's another real mind-bender that I've encountered and
verified: to obtain a land grant a child was only required to be
living; e.g., if someone was willing to fill out the paperwork for
him/her a child as young as 1 year old could obtain a land grant.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Neal
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:27 PM
To: Poythress List
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Legal age in Colonial Virginia


By way of a research-helpful New Year's greeting/gift to all of us
researchers, I'm transcribing the below here -- so we can all refer to
it later in our RootsWeb online message archives. This short article
pertains to a question that we all should often ponder when we're
doing
our research.

The article was first published in the Virginia Genealogical Society
(VGS) August 1987 "Magazine of Virginia Genealogy," Vol.25 Number 3,
p.52, and is presented here by permission from its author, Dr. Edgar
MacDonald (who edits the quarterly "Archives News" of the Friends of
the
Virginia State Archives) and VGS.

When he gave me his permission to post this short article here, Dr.
MacDonald also mentioned that he has more recently presented a fuller
version of this same subject. Fred Dorman published in "The Virginia
Genealogist" Vol.49 Number 2 (April-June 2005), on pp.84-94, Dr. Edgar

MacDonald's 11-page article "Estimating Ages in Colonial Virginia:
Some
Reservations." I'm pleased to refer you to that article.
Happy New Year,
Barbara Poythress Neal
= = =
Misconceptions Concerning "Legal" Ages
by Edgar MacDonald

In carefully researched family histories one continually sees such
statements as "In witnessing the deed he must have been of age and
therefore born before ____" and "He bought land in ____ and
therefore must have been 21 as of that date." Two errors infect the
first statement. While 21 was agreed on as being "of age" in the
usual sense, under English Common Law a father's will, having the
force of law, frequently determined when a child became of age.
Virginia court records abound in instances where fathers named their
children "of age" as early as 15 and 16. Indeed, a father could give
a child "his freedom" verbally. More important, however, is the fact
that under English Common Law a witness did not have to be 21 to
qualify as such. An "infant," the legal term for anyone under 21,
could testify at any age when understanding was presumed, and under
common law the age of 14 was accepted without question as the age of
discretion.

In the second instance, a minor could perfectly well buy land if he
had the means or credit. At 14 a male could marry, sign contracts,
choose his guardian, bequeath personal property, apprentice himself.
He could even sell land as a minor but was usually required to confirm
the sale upon arriving at the age of 21; however, where unchallenged,
few of these confirmations found their way into the records. The
general assumption by many genealogists that 21 was the universal age
for civic activities is simply erroneous. While a male had to be that
age to vote, he was taxed at 16 and frequently he was mustered into
the militia at 16. For most of his activities concerning his personal
affairs, the colonial male in Virginia, and elsewhere, was imminently
qualified to affix his name to public documents at the responsible age
of 14.



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quotes in the subject and the body of the message		01/10/2007 6:46:53
[POYTHRESS] Postcard archive viewsBarbara NealThis is a neat site on RootsWeb. Click on any state and then the county
and you'll see a collection of Penny Postcards with scenes of the past
from that county.

Some counties are not listed, but be sure to look ALL the way down thru
the state since some places are represented otherwise, such as "City of
Emporia" where the "E' would fall in alphabetical order.

When you click on a state, make sure you go further - for example, you
can select Virginia, then click on Mecklenburg County, then on a
specific post card. If you like history you will love this site.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/special/ppcs/ppcs.html



01/12/2007 1:55:26
Re: [POYTHRESS] Postcard archive viewsThanks Barb,
Judy
>
> From: Barbara Neal
> Date: 2007/01/12 Fri AM 10:55:26 EST
> To: Poythress List
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Postcard archive views
>
> This is a neat site on RootsWeb. Click on any state and then the county
> and you'll see a collection of Penny Postcards with scenes of the past
> from that county.
>
> Some counties are not listed, but be sure to look ALL the way down thru
> the state since some places are represented otherwise, such as "City of
> Emporia" where the "E' would fall in alphabetical order.
>
> When you click on a state, make sure you go further - for example, you
> can select Virginia, then click on Mecklenburg County, then on a
> specific post card. If you like history you will love this site.
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/special/ppcs/ppcs.html
>
>
> -------------------------------
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>		01/12/2007 5:03:04
[POYTHRESS] Poythress deathHi All.
Just wanted everyone to know another Poythress wife died today.
My Aunt Ruth Tucker Poythress who married my uncle Carl Richard Poythress, passed away about an hour ago in Riley's Hospital in Meridian. Don't know the arrangements yet.

Uncle Carl was named for Carl Hutton & Richard Poythress.
Judy



01/14/2007 11:19:59
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress death - Ruth Tucker widow of Carl Richard PoythressBarbara NealThank you for letting us know of her passing, Judy. Our sympathies are
with you & the family.

I recall that her husband Carl Richard Poythress was the last of his
siblings to die, even though he was not the youngest child of the
family. I'm curious whether Ruth is the last of their spouses to die?

Thanks again,
Barbara (BPN)



01/15/2007 5:12:04
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress death - Ruth Tucker widow of Carl Richard PoythressThanks Barb, I am leaving for Meridian as soon as Joann gets to my house.
No ,My mother was the last to die & she was the youngest. Aunt Ruth is the last spouse.
Judy
>
> From: Barbara Neal
> Date: 2007/01/15 Mon PM 02:12:04 EST
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress death - Ruth Tucker widow of Carl Richard
> Poythress
>
> Thank you for letting us know of her passing, Judy. Our sympathies are
> with you & the family.
>
> I recall that her husband Carl Richard Poythress was the last of his
> siblings to die, even though he was not the youngest child of the
> family. I'm curious whether Ruth is the last of their spouses to die?
>
> Thanks again,
> Barbara (BPN)
>
>
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>		01/16/2007 1:51:40
[POYTHRESS] William Poythress division of estateJulie CabittoHello,
I finally got a chance to get copies made yesterday! The Virginia archives located the lost document and mailed it to me just after Thanksgiving.
I made several copies of the William Poythress Division of Estate, from Prince George County, Virginia, Feb 1777.

Today I'm mailing a copy to Maynard, and Barbara P. Neal, because they told me earlier they wanted a copy.

Does anyone else want a copy?
If so, send me your address and I'll drop it in the mail today.
Love,
Julie		02/01/2007 2:40:19
Re: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress division of estateYes Julie, I would like a copy:

Teresa Willis
2842 Ankum Rd
Gasburg VA 23857

And thank you for all your hard work you do on this project.

Teresa		02/01/2007 3:18:04
Re: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress division of estateBarbara NealHurray, Julie! I'm so glad the archives located the lost document & I
really appreciate the upcoming copy. Thanks so much for all your work.
Cheers, Barbara



02/01/2007 3:42:20
Re: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress division of estateThanks Julie I would like a copy also. If it is thick I will be glad to pay for the postage.
Judy
>
> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> Date: 2007/02/01 Thu AM 09:40:19 EST
> To: "Barbara P. Neal" ,
> "John M. Poythress" ,
>
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress division of estate
>
> Hello,
> I finally got a chance to get copies made yesterday! The Virginia archives located the lost document and mailed it to me just after Thanksgiving.
> I made several copies of the William Poythress Division of Estate, from Prince George County, Virginia, Feb 1777.
>
> Today I'm mailing a copy to Maynard, and Barbara P. Neal, because they told me earlier they wanted a copy.
>
> Does anyone else want a copy?
> If so, send me your address and I'll drop it in the mail today.
> Love,
> Julie
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>		02/01/2007 4:53:08
[POYTHRESS] William Poythress estate papersJulie CabittoThe text is only two legal size pages, so not too deep for reading. I'll be mailing out to all those that told me they were interested. I found it amazing such an old document is still in such good shape and legible. I'm glad to pass it along, since so many things like this seem to get lost over time.

My next project isn't for Poythress, but just to mention it for fun, and in case a similar opportunity arises for you...I found a 96 year old lady in Mecklenburg Co VA, that knew some of my family. I visited her and asked if I could interview her. She said she didn't know very much about my great uncle, but I said I didn't mind; I also really wanted to hear what life was like growing up on a farm in South Hill. I grew up in cities, and can't imagine growing up on subsistent farms. So I loved her explanations for how their farm was run. She thought it was funny I was asking questions like "How did you store your potatoes all winter without them getting rotten?" But I have friends in my generation asking, "Yea, how do you do that?", because we rely so much on grocery stores. She said "I never married, or had any kids, so I'm a pretty boring person. Why would you want to talk to me?" She told me what life in LaCrosse (Mecklenburg Co., VA) was like a 100 years ago. She told how people drank water from the mineral springs to help fight kidney problems. I'd never heard of anything like that before but found it very interesting. She told how much hard work she had to do on the farm and even as a toddler they picked tobacco leaves and held them together so an older sibling could tie them together. She told how her life revolved around church and how important it was to her. It seems like each time I visit Mecklenburg and ask questions, I'm told "you're asking questions only the old timers know. My mamma's been gone 5 years, and I wish I'd asked her more." (or their dad). And I kept hearing all the knowledge of "the old timers" was being lost. So I tape recorded (camera's made her nervous) all she said, and typed it up. I plan to send her a copy and ask permission to send it to the historical society and pass it on to a few friends, so her "old timer" stories don't get lost too. People heard I interviewed her and want to hear what she has to say. I thought her stories were treasures. It was enjoyable to hear about a quieter, slower paced life.
Love,
Julie		02/01/2007 5:26:28
Re: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress estate papersBarbara NealSounds like you've done a great service, Julie, re the lady in LaCrosse.
Hope she'll give permission to share the results.
Barbara



02/02/2007 2:14:04
Re: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress estate papersDeloris RileyI "devoured" your e-mail. I am so glad you are trying to preserve our
past --not only names but our culture! I am 82 years old and can
remember visiting our "country kin folks". They worked hard but overall
they might have had it easier because they did not have to deal with
today's electrical comforts (and their maintenance) and were not
stressed out on a day to day basis because of TV news daily throwing out
war news and details of people dying minute by minute. I am sure you
did not have as much to worry about if you had no telephone, no
newspaper and no TV. Maybe we are not so fortunate after all. I am
still waiting for someone to come up with something on Francis Poytress'
wife who married my ancestor, Robert Wynne. I maintain that she was
probably a Sloman--do you agree? Keep up the good work and thank you
for sharing! Deloris Wynne Riley

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Julie Cabitto
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:26 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress estate papers


The text is only two legal size pages, so not too deep for reading. I'll
be mailing out to all those that told me they were interested. I found
it amazing such an old document is still in such good shape and legible.
I'm glad to pass it along, since so many things like this seem to get
lost over time.

My next project isn't for Poythress, but just to mention it for fun, and
in case a similar opportunity arises for you...I found a 96 year old
lady in Mecklenburg Co VA, that knew some of my family. I visited her
and asked if I could interview her. She said she didn't know very much
about my great uncle, but I said I didn't mind; I also really wanted to
hear what life was like growing up on a farm in South Hill. I grew up in
cities, and can't imagine growing up on subsistent farms. So I loved her
explanations for how their farm was run. She thought it was funny I was
asking questions like "How did you store your potatoes all winter
without them getting rotten?" But I have friends in my generation
asking, "Yea, how do you do that?", because we rely so much on grocery
stores. She said "I never married, or had any kids, so I'm a pretty
boring person. Why would you want to talk to me?" She told me what life
in LaCrosse (Mecklenburg Co., VA) was like a 100 years ago. She told how
! people drank water from the mineral springs to help fight kidney
problems. I'd never heard of anything like that before but found it very
interesting. She told how much hard work she had to do on the farm and
even as a toddler they picked tobacco leaves and held them together so
an older sibling could tie them together. She told how her life revolved
around church and how important it was to her. It seems like each time
I visit Mecklenburg and ask questions, I'm told "you're asking questions
only the old timers know. My mamma's been gone 5 years, and I wish I'd
asked her more." (or their dad). And I kept hearing all the knowledge of
"the old timers" was being lost. So I tape recorded (camera's made her
nervous) all she said, and typed it up. I plan to send her a copy and
ask permission to send it to the historical society and pass it on to a
few friends, so her "old timer" stories don't get lost too. People heard
I interviewed her and want to hear what she has to say. I th! ought her
stories were treasures. It was enjoyable to hear about a qui eter,
slower paced life. Love, Julie

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Re: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress division of estate update & RebeccaTaylorJohn M. PoythressJulie, what a marvelous document in great preservation, made
all the more cherished because of all the grief you had to
go through to lay your hands on it. And we all love getting
those documents where the clerk had a clear and precise
handwriting.

Good luck with your lil 'ol lady in Mecklenburg.....that is
fine work you are doing there, dear.

Many, many thanks for your hard work and for sharing it with
us.

Best,

Maynard


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Re: [POYTHRESS] Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert WynneDeloris RileyI apologize: I was referring to Mary, widow of Francis Poythress, who
married MY Colonel Robert Wynne after Francis died. Mary
(Sloman?)Poythress Wynne was the mother of MY Joshua and Sloman Wynne
lines. Does that make sense? The sister, Mary, of Joshua and Sloman
married a Woodlief. Thank you for your info--Deloris Wynne-Riley

-----Original Message-----
From: Deloris Riley [mailto:delorisriley@satx.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:44 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne


I am confused; please help. Are you saying these were the children of
Mary Wynne Woodlief (from your e-mail:)
"I have George born about 1646 (husband of Elizabeth Wallace whose
> daughter,
> Mary, married a Carter), Edward about 1644 [husband of Sarah
(Pollard)]
> and
> John about 1643 (husband of Mary Poythress), all sons of John Woodlief

> born
> about 1614."
I am having a hard time with all of the new (to me) information on the
Woodliefs. Deloris Wynne-Riley

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tutor [mailto:badbichon@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:23 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne

I think that we have the same information on the Woodlief family. I show

John Woodlief II born about 1614 and died in 1676. George Woodlief seems
to
have been his oldest grandson as he mentions him in the 1675
Will.......Mike


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff and Sheryl Townsend"
To:
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: Mrs. Mary Poythress Wynne and Colonel Robert Wynne


> Deloris & Michael,
> I have a book by Elizabeth Ann Taylor Kerman, "The Woodliff Family and

> their
> Royal Connections 1239 - 1987". In it she has John Woodliffe, II
married
> to
> Mary Wynne d/o Captain Robert Wynne. Their children are John
Woodliffe
> III,
> George Woodlief, & Edward Woodliffe. John III m. Mary Poythress,
George
> m.
> Elizabeth Wallace & Edward m. Sarah Pollard.
> sheryl
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Deloris,
>
> Nugent, Cavaliers and Pioneers, 1:68, August 24, 1637. A patent for
550
> acres of land in Charles City County, is granted to John Woodlife, due
in
> right of descent from his father, Capt. John Woodlife, Esq., of
Charles
> City
> County, to whom it was granted by Sir George Yeardley, in 1620. John
> Woodlief (1614-1676) was the son of John Woodlief (1584-bef. 1655) and

> Mary
> Archard.
>
> (Woodlief Family Genealogy: Colonial Virginia): John Woodlief
(1614-1676)
> went with John Lanier to ask Governor Berkeley for permission to go
> against
> Indians. Being refused and called fools and loggerheads, they took
> Nathaniel
> Bacon as their leader and went without commission. He died during
Bacon's
> Rebellion. See Virginia Rec. Bk. p. 284-288, Charles City Mil
1655-1665.
> Was
> in Capt. Francis Gray's Co....As far as I know, no one has ever
determined
> who the wife of this Captain John Woodlief was.
>
> As to when Francis Poythress died, I have to say that any person that
held
> a
> highly significant office, that enjoyed a very good income, that had a

> desire to succeed in the upper echelons of the Virginia colonial
society
> would not have given up the Northumberland tax collector position, the

> elected burgess position, and the position of a senior militia officer
> (Major) unless something very significant happened. There is no record
of
> malfeasance in office and his colleague, Mr. Trussell continued in his

> capacity. The last record referring to Francis was in 1651. The
lucrative
> positions that he held were not taken lightly in those days and senior

> positions in our government are not given up lightly these days
> either....I can see no other reason than that of death to keep Francis

> from
enjoying
> his
> just deserts.....Mike
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Michael, I would not think that if Mary Wynne was born after 1655
(and
>> how do we know that was the time of her birth?) she would not have
>> married John Woodlief, born in 1614. This John Woodlief did exist
but
>> he would have been 18 years older than Mary's father, Colonel Robert
>> Wynne. I believe that Mary married a George Woodlief. George gave a

>> deposition in 1665 saying that he was 19 years old and this would
have
>> made his birth date about 1646 which was probably about the date of
>> Mary's birth. I still am not thoroughly convinced that she was the
>> daughter of Mary Poythress, although it is possible-- if we only knew

>> when Francis Poythress died. I do think Mary was the oldest of
Colonel
>> Robert Wynne's children since she had a child, also named George,
named
>> in Colonel Wynne's will.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> First Generation: Colonel Robert Wynne, second husband of Mrs. Mary
>> Poythress
>> R. Bolling Batte on Robert Wynne
>> [8. Mary Wynne (Mary ______1) was born AFT 1655. She married John
>> Woodlief. He was born 1614.
>> Child of Mary Wynne and John Woodlief is:
>> 31 i. George Woodlief. He married Elizabeth Wallace.]
>>
>> Family
>> Robert Wynne, the son of Peter Wynne and Martha Coppin, was born
about
>> 1622,
>> in Canterbury, Kent, England. He married Mrs. Mary Poythress, the
widow
>> of
>> Captain Francis Poythress. Their children were (1) Mary Wynne (c.
>> 1655-aft. 1707), the wife of John Woodlief, the son of John Woodlief;

>> (2)
Thomas
>> Wynne
>> (1657-1717), who married Agnes Stith, the daughter of John Stith and
>> Jane Mosbey; (3) Robert Wynne (1660-1675); and, (4) Joshua Wynne
>> (3/20/1661-3/29/1715), who married Mary Jones, the daughter of Peter
>> Jones
>> and Margaret Cruse. Robert Wynne died on October 8, 1675.
>> Colonel Robert Wynne was mentioned as grandson in the Will of William
>> Coppin, his maternal grandfather. Proof that he was the son of Peter
>> Wynne
>> comes from his father's Will. Proof that he was the son of Peter
Wynne
>> and
>> Martha Coppin is also from the Will of William Coppin, of St.
George's
>> Canterbury, dated January 15, 1632 and proved March 22, 1633. The
Will
>> is in
>> the Archdeaconry Court of Canterbury, Kent, 1633-1636. The Wynnes
came
>> to
>> America about 1651. Robert Wynne was a Burgess for Charles City
County,
>> by
>> 1658. He was Speaker of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's Long

>> Parliament, 1661-1675. He was in charge of surveying, planning, and
>> improving all public roads in the colony. He was sent to England to
>> escort back the official set of weights and measures which would
>> measure the business dealings of the New World. He was captain, then
>> colonel, in
the
>>
>> Militia of Charles City County. He owned two houses and a farm in
>> England, which he left to his son, Thomas. His 600 acre plantation,
>> south of
the
>> James River, was named "Georges."
>> Captain John Woodlief's oldest son, John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716),
>> married Mary Wynne, daughter of Robert Wynne and Mary (Sloman?)
>> Poythress,
his
>> neighbor. Captain John Woodlief's youngest son, George Woodlief
>> (1646-bef. 1701), married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and
>> Joan Wallace
of
>> Merchant's Hope, in Westover parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief
had
>> one
>> child, a daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>> According to Bruce Howard: Captain Woodlief's son, John Woodlief
>> (1643-c. 1716), probably lived at Jordans. He married Mary Poythress,

>> daughter
of
>>
>> John Poythress (c. 1639-1712), his neighbor. Mary was an older child
of
>> the
>> first marriage of John Poythress. John and Mary Woodlief had one son,

>> George Woodlief (bef. 1675-c. 1743), who married Norah Epes. Capt.
Woodlief's
>> son,
>> Edward Woodlief (1644-1717), married Sarah (Pollard) and lived in
Prince
>>
>> George County between Bailey's Creek and the Blackwater River in
>> Westover Parish. Edward and Sarah Woodlief had: John, Edward, Sarah,
>> Joseph, James,
>> Thomas, Ann, Mary and Susannah. Sarah Woodlief married Richard Pace,
son
>> of
>> James Pace(4). Capt. Woodlief's son, George Woodlief (1646-bef.
1701),
>> married Elizabeth Wallace, daughter of James and Joan Wallace, of
>> Merchants Hope in Westover Parish. George and Elizabeth Woodlief had
>> one child,
a
>> daughter, Mary, who married a Carter.
>>
>> Professional Life
>> On October 27, 1656, at a court held in Westover, in Charles City
>> County, present were Mr. Thomas Drewe, Captain Richard Tye, Mr.
>> Anthony
Wyatt,
>> Captain David Peebles, Captain John Epes, Captain Thomas Stegge, Mr.
>> Charles Sparrow and Captain Robert Wynne. It was ordered that 26
>> pounds
tobacco
>> per
>> poll be forthwith levied and collected by the present sheriff on
every
>> tithable person in this community being 516 and paid as follows, viz:

>> (in a
>> list:) John Stith, 1 wolf, 200 pounds tobacco. Edward Hill
(1610-1663)
>> married Hannah Jordan. Henry Perry (c. 1625-c. 1684) was the half
>> brother or step-brother of George Pace (1609-1652). He married
>> Elizabeth Menefie (-bef.
>> 1657). Richard Tye (-1658) married Mrs. Joyce Boyce about 1649. David
>> Peebles (c. 1610-1657) married Elizabeth Bishop, daughter of John and
>> Elizabeth Bishop. John Epes (1626-1679) married Mary Kent. Robert
Wynne
>> (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675).
>> Assembled March 13, 1658, the Burgesses from Charles City: War'm
>> Horsmenden and Captain Robert Wynne; Northumberland: Peter Knight and

>> John
Haney;
>> Henrico: Major William Harris; James City: Henry Soane, Major Richard

>> Webster, Thomas Loveinge and William Corker; Surry: Lt. Colonel
Thomas
>> Swann, William Edwards, Major William Butler and Captain William
>> Cawfield. Assembled, March 13, 1660, the Burgesses from: Charles
>> City:
Theodorick
>> Bland, Captain Robert Wynne and Charles Sparrow; Northumberland:
Captain
>>
>> Peter Ashton. Theodoric Bland (1629/30-1671) married Anne Bennett (c.

>> 1642-1687). In April, 1661, at a court held at Westover, in Charles
>> City County, present
>> were Colonel Edward Hill, Esquire, Mr. Thomas Drewe, Mr. John
Holmwood,
>> Captain Robert Wynne, Mr. Stephen Hamlin. Edward Hill (1610-1663)
>> married Hannah Jordan. Thomas Drew married Mrs. Frances Ward Barker
Netherland
>> (1599-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678) married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c.
>> 1618-aft. 1675).
>> In April, 1661, in Charles City County, abstract, memo that Colonel
>> Edward
>> Hill, Esquire, at this court, did give to John Poythress, the son of
>> Captain
>> Francis Poythress, deceased, 50 acres at Jordans, adjoining the land
now
>>
>> occupied by Captain Robert Wynne. Captain Robert Wynne was married to

>> John Poythress' mother, Mary Frances Poythress, after the death of
>> her
first
>> husband, Captain Francis Poythress. Colonel Edward Hill, Esq.,
>> (1610-1663)
>> married Hannah Jordan.
>> The General Assembly which met March 23, 1662, ordered Captain Robert

>> Wynne and Captain John Epes to summon some of the neighbors with them

>> to settle
>> the boundary between Westover and Martin's Brandon Parish.
>> The Assembly of 1661-1676, which convened for the first time on March
>> 23,
>> 1661, lasted by various prorogations and adjournments for fifteen
years,
>> the
>> last session beginning March 7, 1676. Though there was not a general
>> election during this long period, the membership of the House of
>> Burgesses must have been during this period considerably changed by
>> deaths and seats
>> made vacant by the acceptance of office. There are only two complete
>> lists,
>> 1663 and 1666, but the county records supply the names of various
>> persons
>> who were certainly members during other years. In the Session of
>> December
>> 23, 1662: from Charles City: Captain Robert Wynne, Speaker, Stephen
>> Hamelyn
>> and Captain Francis Gray. Stephen Hamlin was the father of John
Hamlin,
>> who
>> married Elizabeth Taylor, daughter of Richard Taylor (1625-aft 1678)
and
>>
>> Sarah Barker (1623-1694). Captain John Epes (1626-1679) was the son
of
>> Francis Epes (1597-1656) and Marie Pawlett, and was married to Mary
>> Kent. In the Session of October 23, 1666, the Burgesses from Charles
>> City: Captain
>> Robert Wynne, Speaker, and Captain Thomas Southcoat.
>> On April 3, 1673, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> present
>> were Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major Edward Hill, Mr.
>> John
>> Drayton, Mr. Thomas Epes, Mr. James Bisse and Captain Francis
Poythress.
>>
>> James Bisse was the third husband of Sarah Barker Taylor Lucy Bisse
>> (1623-1694). Thomas (1630-1679) and Elizabeth Epes' son, Thomas Epes
>> (bef. 1654-), married a daughter of Anthony Wyatt. Robert Wynne
>> (1622-1678) was
>> the step-father of Francis Poythress (c. 1637-1688). Francis
>> Poythress(2)
>> would have been approximately 35 years old in this year. John Drayton
>> married Mrs. Elizabeth Bishop Peebles about 1657. Edward Hill
>> (1637-1700)
>> was the son of Edward Hill and Hannah Jordan.
>> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County, present
>> were
>> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel Epes, Colonel Wynne, Major Hill,
Captain
>> Southcott, Mr. Bisse, Mr. Clarke and Captain Poythress.
>> On June 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County,
Abstract.
>> Long
>> entry regarding ordinary at Westover. Captain Edward Hill proposes to

>> lease new building there for 21 years, the court not to be removed
>> from Westover
>> for that term and no other to have license to keep an ordinary on the
>> north
>> side of the river during this time. This proposition accepted
November
>> 28,
>> 1672. Signed as follows: Robert Wynne, Anthony Wyatt, John Drayton,
Sr.,
>>
>> John Epes, Thomas Mallory, Francis Poythress, Nicholas Wyatt, Daniel
>> Clarke, James Bisse and Thomas Epes. John Epes (1626-1679) married
>> Mary Kent. Thomas
>> Mallory (1635-1678) married Mary.
>> On August 4, 1673, at a Westover court, in Charles City County,
present
>> were
>> Mr. Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Robert Wynne, Major

>> Edward Hill, Captain Otho Southcott, Mr. John Drayton, Captain
>> Nicholas
Wyatt,
>> Mr.
>> Thomas Epes and Captain Francis Poythress.
>> On August 5, 1673, in Charles City County, Com Civitat Carol, present

>> were Mr Anthony Wyatt, Lt. Colonel John Epes, Colonel Wynne, Captain
>> Southcott,
>> Mr. Drayton and Captain Francis Poythress.
>> In March, 1676, war was declared against the Indians and it was
ordered
>> that
>> the forts be garrisoned and that Sir Henry Chicheley be placed in
>> command of five hundred enlisted men to disarm neighboring Indians.
>> Chicheley
was
>> recalled by Sir William Berkeley before the march on the Indians
began.
>> In
>> May, 1676, an overseer and a servant of young Nathaniel Bacon were
slain
>> by
>> Indians with the result that Bacon sent word to Berkeley requesting a

>> commission. In the interim, Bacon took command of five hundred men
and
>> marched to the falls on the James. Despite losing all but sixty of
his
>> men
>> to Berkeley's recall, Bacon and his remaining followers routed a
party
>> of
>> Indians at an old fort. Upon Bacon's return home, he was elected to
the
>> Burgess from Henrico County. Soon thereafter, Berkeley had Bacon
>> arrested but released him upon an oath by Bacon that he would be a
>> gentleman. However, Bacon set out again and defeated Indians at every

>> encounter, the
>> largest fight being against the Appomattox Indians at the present
>> location
>> of Petersburg, Virginia. By September, 1676, plantations seemed to be
>> safe
>> from Indian attack. Returning to Jamestown, Bacon and his men set
fire
>> to
>> the town while Sir William Berkeley watched the event from his ship
on
>> the
>> James River. Leaving Jamestown, Bacon marched his men to Gloucester
>> Point where he crossed the York River into Gloucester County. He
>> planned to fight
>> Colonel Brent and his twelve hundred men but Brent's men deserted
upon
>> the
>> approach of Bacon. After twenty weeks of fighting and living in the
open
>>
>> country, Bacon died on October 1, 1676. No one else could provide the

>> leadership that young Bacon had provided, and Berkeley, with newly
>> arrived support from England, began to capture the leaders of the
>> rebellion
and
>> hanged many of them.
>> On June 12, 1677, the court, at Westover, was composed of Colonel
Edward
>>
>> Hill, Colonel John Epes, Major John Stith, Captain Thomas Mallory,
>> Captain Daniel Lewellin and Captain Francis Poythress. During the
>> 12th, 13th
and
>>
>> 14th of this month, Francis, acting as a Commissioner with others,
>> examined various persons in regard to a certain petition that had
>> been
presented
>> to
>> the Governor and Council from Charles City County. John Eppes, James
>> Bisse, Nicholas Wyatt, John Stith, acting as Commissioners examined
>> various persons
>> in regard to a certain petition that had been presented to the
Governor
>> and
>> Council from Charles City County. Among others were Captain Francis
>> Poythress, Mr. Henry Batte and others. This at Westover. This
petition
>> may
>> have pertained to the aftermath of Nathaniel Bacon's rebellion.
Frances
>> was
>> also nominated to prepare a list of tithables for Jordan's parish, in

>> Charles City County. On September 14, 1677, action was taken against
a
>> number of men for trespassing at Captain Arthur Allen's plantation,
as
>> Allen
>> had been removed from his home by the rebels during Bacon's
rebellion.
>> Among
>> the jury, was Francis' brother, Mr. John Poythress, and Mr. Richard
>> Pace. The action was withdrawn. Henry Batte (1642-1699) was the
>> father of
Mary
>>
>> Batte (c. 1664-1760) who married John Poythress(3) (c. 1724-> 1726),
son
>> of
>> John Poythress and Christian Peebles. James Bisse was the third
husband
>> of
>> Sarah Barker (1623-1694), daughter of William Barker and Frances
Ward.
>> John
>> Stith (1620-1694) was the father of Agnes Stith (1658-1718) who
married
>> Thomas W. Wynne (1657-1717), son of Robert Wynne and Mary Poythress
>> Wynne.
>>
>> Civic Activities
>> On December 3, 1658, at a court held at Merchant's Hope, Captain John

>> Woodlief and Mr. George Potter were appointed to examine the
difference
>> between Captain Robert Wynne, for the estate of Mr. John Sloeman,
>> deceased, and Mr. Francis Epes and Mr. Thomas Epes, and report to the

>> next
court.
>> Dorman doesn't make Francis Epes' wife, Marie, a Pawlett. Dorman says

>> "The maiden name is unknown and her given name, Marie (Mary), is
>> known
only
>> from
>> the baptismal record of their son. Mrs. Epes was still alive in
January,
>>
>> 1644, when Captain Thomas Pawlett, of Charles City, a brother of Sir
>> John Pawlett, wrote in his will, naming Francis Epes as one of the
overseers
>> of
>> the Will and leaving him his drum, giving to Mrs. Epes his Bible and
20
>> shillings to buy a mourning ring in his memory." Dorman footnotes
from
>> William and Mary Quarterly, series I, IV, p. 152, "Capt. Pawlett was
>> evidently close to the Epes family." John Woodlief (1614-1676) was
>> father of John Woodlief (1643-c. 1716) who married Mary Wynne
>> (1655-aft. 1707), daughter of Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary Poythress.
>> John Sloman (-c.
1658)
>>
>> married Katherine Epes (c. 1588) and may have been father of Mrs.
Mary
>> Poythress. Francis Epes (1627-1678) married Elizabeth Littlebury
>> (1623-1678). Thomas Epes (1630-1679) married Elizabeth. Francis Epes
and
>>
>> Thomas Epes were sons of Francis Epes and Marie Pawlett.
>>
>> As Witness
>> On February 3, 1659, at a Charles City Court, John Burton...Lt. John
>> Banister one plantation at Bonaccord which I hold by lease for
thirteen
>> years or upwards to come. The witnesses were Robert Wynne, Thomas
Crane
>> and
>> Howell Pryce, Clerk of Court.
>> On October 10, 1659, in Charles City County, John Cogan of Merchant's

>> Hope, in Charles City County, surgeon, sold Anthony Wyatt, of
>> Chaplins' Choice, in
>> the same County, Gentleman, for bond of £240 Sterling, dated
September
>> 1,
>> 1659, "the plantation whereon he now dwells, 5 negro servants, crops,

>> etc." The witnesses were Howell Pryce and Robert Wynne. One of
>> Anthony
Wyatt's
>>
>> daughters married Thomas Epes (bef. 1654-). Robert Wynne (1622-1678)
>> married Mrs. Mary Poythress (c. 1618-aft. 1675). Richard Tye (-1658)
>> married Mrs.
>> Joyce Boyce Tye (c, 1618-) in 1659.
>> On April 3, 1666, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
>> Captain
>> John Woodlief, aged 51 years or thereabouts, examined and sworn, said
>> that
>> going aboard of a small Ship riding before James City with Mr.
Anthony
>> Wyatt
>> and some others, there lay some hammocks - cabin where they were with

>> one of the Seamen belonging to the Ship. Mr. Wyatt demanded of him if

>> they
were
>> to
>> be sold who told him yes, and upon that Mr. Wyatt bought two hammocks
of
>> him
>> and the man desired Ferdinand Aston who was then aboard to receive
the
>> pay
>> for them, afterwards the said Mr. Wyatt went to James City - the
>> hammocks aboard and in his return from there he - [went] Ship side
>> and called very
>> often, and hearing no man to requested Mr. Thomas Mallory
[to
>> go
>> aboard and search for the hammocks] and reached them according to Mr.

>> Wyatt's directions, and withal handed over a jug of wine beverage and

>> further saith
>> not. John Woodlief. Jurat coram. Robert Wynne. Thomas Mallory
>> (1635-1678)
>> was the son of Thomas Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis
Mallory
>> (-1719).
>>
>> Family Estates
>> On September 1, 1659, Captain Robert Wynne and Anthony Wyatt
appraised
>> the
>> perishable estate of the orphans of Captain David Peebles. David
>> Peebles' daughter, Christian Peebles, married John Poythress, son of
>> Captain Francis
>> Poythress.
>> On June 3, 1665, at a court at Westover, in Charles City County,
Francis
>>
>> Poythress proved his right by the testimony of Captain Robert Wynne
to
>> 450
>> acres of land for the adventure and importation of Francis Poythress,

>> Thomas Mallory, William Hind, John Barlow, Jonn Ward, James Cobcock,
>> Ellinor Towle
>> and Sampson Ellis, twice. Thomas Mallory (1635-1678) was the son of
>> Thomas
>> Mallory (1605-1671) and father of Francis Mallory (-1719).
>>
>> Robert Wynne's Will
>> Robert Wynne, of Jordan's parish, of Charles City County, in
Virginia,
>> Gentleman.
>> My body to be decently buried in Jordan's Church as near as
conveniently
>> it
>> may be to my son, Robert, and for my worldly goods I thus dispose of
for
>>
>> those that God has blessed me withal in England.
>> I give my eldest son, Thomas Wynne, one farm in Whitestaple parish,
in
>> Kent,
>> near Canterbury, and normally called by the name Linebett Banckes,
with
>> all
>> barns, stables, outhouses, lands, orchards and all things old and
they
>> were
>> left me or have been improved since to him and the heirs of his body
>> lawfully begotten forever but my will and pleasure is that he enjoy
no
>> part
>> or parcel of this until he be 21 years old. In the interim, what
profits
>>
>> shall amount annually out of this to be disposed of by my
administrator
>> hereinafter nominated. And if it shall please God, my said son,
Thomas,
>> die
>> either before he come to age or have lawful issue my will and
pleasure
>> is my
>> son, Joshua, enjoy it on the said terms above expressed. And if it
>> please God he die before he comes to age or have lawful issue, that
>> then it shall
>> come to my daughter, Woodlief, and her heirs. But if it shall please
God
>>
>> that all die without heirs then to be disposed of as it shall think
fit
>> by
>> my administratrix.
>> I further give my son, Thomas, one house being in Canterbury, in St.
>> Mildred's parish, with all them thereunto belonging to enjoy and to
>> be held at
the
>> age
>> of 21 and in the said form as my farm at Whitestaple and in default
of
>> heirs
>> to descend as that doth.
>> I give youngest son, Joshua Wynne, one house and oatmeale mill with
>> orchards, backfield and garden lying in Dover Lane, without St.
Georges
>> in
>> Canterbury, and commonly called by the name of the Lilly Pott, and
>> further I will and bequeath to my said son, Joshua, two houses in the

>> same lane over
>> against the Lilly Pott where a ropemaker and one Rawlins hath been
>> formerly
>> tenants to enjoy every part and parcel of these at the age of 21
years
>> and
>> not before. I give and bequeath them to him and the heirs of his body

>> lawfully begotten forever. But if it please God he shall die before
he
>> come
>> to age or without lawful issue, that then they shall come to his
>> brother, Thomas, and his failing then to his sister, Woodlief, and if

>> she
failed
>> then
>> to my administratrix as aforesaid.
>> I give my daughter, Woodlief, one messauge or tenement being in the
>> parish of Hernehill, to sell align or dispose as to her shall seam
>> requisite
it
>>
>> being for the bettering her portion and she to enjoy it as soon as it

>> shall please God to call me to his mercy.
>> I give my son, Thomas, all of the cattle of his own mark being
formerly
>> given him except one cow, called Moll, which is to be killed for
>> provision and likewise one mare and filly foal he is already
>> possessed of and
one
>> good
>> featherbed with bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and likewise two

>> guns he is to take his choice of all mine for them.
>> I give my son, Joshua, my plantation called Georges with all the
tobacco
>>
>> house and other houses with all the whole grant of that dividend to
him
>> and
>> the heirs of his body lawfully begotten and in default of such heirs
to
>> his
>> brother, Thomas, and in default of Thomas, to my daughter, Woodlief,
and
>>
>> also the cattle known to be his and a filly now in his possession
with a
>>
>> feather bed, bolster pillow, rug and two blankets and two well fixed
>> guns. I give my daughter, Woodlief, one servant of four years to
>> serve the next
>> shipping after my decease or else two thousand pounds of tobacco and
>> oats to
>> buy one.
>> I give my grandchild and godson, young George Woodlief, one filly
foal
>> of
>> about a year old and for all my other estate as well this in Virginia
as
>>
>> what shall be sent of England now and until my children come to age I

>> give and bequeath after my just debts are paid unto my beloved wife,
>> Mary Wynne,
>> whom I make my whole and sole administratrix of this my last Will and
>> testament and my desire and request is that my loving friends, Thomas
>> Grendon, merchant, and my son-in-law, Captain Francis Poythress, be
>> overseers to this my last Will and testament to either of whom I give
>> twenty
>> shillings to buy them a small ring in remembrance of me. In witness
to
>> every
>> part and parcel of this my last Will and testament I have left my
hand
>> and
>> annexed my seal July 1, 1675. Robert Wynne. The witnesses were Thomas

>> Brome, John Burge; endorsed at a court held at Westover, August 3,
>> 1675.
This
>> Will
>> was proved in court by the oaths of Thomas Brome and John Burge the
>> witnesses therein named and a probate granted the administratrix
therein
>>
>> also named and entered amongst the records of the said court. James
>> Minge, Clerk of Court. Examined May Court, 1677. J. Minge, John Rudde

>> and
John
>> Sherman. Mary Wynne (1655-aft. 1707) married John Woodlief (1643-c.
>> 1716). Thomas Wynne (1657-1717) married Agnes Stith (1656-1718),
>> daughter of John
>> Stith and Jane Mosbey. Robert Wynne (1660-1675) died young. Joshua
Wynne
>>
>> (1660/1-1715) married Mary Jones (1658-1718), daughter of Peter Jones

>> and Margaret Cruse.
>>
>> Mary Wynne was referred to in a suit in the General Court as Robert
>> Wynne's executrix on Oct. 8, 1675.
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Southside VA Families Genealogies CD questionBarbara NealThanks, Sheryl; interesting that it includes Dortch.
Barbara



02/08/2007 2:05:10
Re: [POYTHRESS] Southside VA Families Genealogies CD questionSheryl and Cliff TownsendBarbara,
My sister-in-law sent me a newspaper article about it. I just found this on
the web from www.genealogical.com
sheryl

Southside Virginia Genealogies is a compilation of several hundred family
histories, each of which, typically, extends back to the colonial period in
Southside Virginia. This remarkable CD compilation actually began life as an
Internet site--Virginians.com--and it has racked up more than a million
visitors since its inception in 2001. Since then it has grown to 4,000 pages
and continues to be a popular destination for anyone researching Southside
lineages. However, it has recently been configured to include only first
generation data, so this new CD version of Southside Virginia Genealogies is
now the only means of gaining access to the full range of information on all
generations.

Based on the multi-generational family history of the author, John W.
Pritchett, and the histories of various allied families, it includes
hundreds of genealogies and nearly 400 autobiographical narratives of
residents of Southside Virginia-- the area of Virginia south of the James
River, east of the Blue Ridge Mountains, and north of the North Carolina
border.

Each family topic contains information on several generations of descendants
organized in an easy-to-follow format, with sources carefully arranged in
56,700 endnotes. Altogether Southside Virginia Genealogies contains more
than 67,000 citations, including references to about 10,000 marriages, 9,000
wills, 10,000 deeds, 3,800 land patents and grants, and 5,000 census
reports, with notes on more than 1,000 members of the Virginia legislature,
230 members of Congress, and hundreds of veterans of the Revolution and the
Civil War.

The full-name index alone contains more than 90,000 entries, and all this
information is instantly accessible via the popular Adobe Acrobat Reader
platform. In addition, the CD contains four appendixes that identify about
45% of the residents appearing in specific county tithable lists of colonial
Henrico, Chesterfield, and Amelia counties.

The following is a list of the principal surnames covered:

Abbott, Abernathy, Abney, Adams, Allen, Anderson, Archer, Atkinson, Austin,
Ba(I)ley, Bagley, Bagwell, Baker, Ballow, Banister, Barber, Barrow,
Baskerville, Bass, Batte, Batty, Baugh, Beauchamp, Belfield, Berkeley,
Bevill, Biddlecomb, Billups, Binford, Blackman, Blanton, Blunt, Boisseau,
Booker, Borum, Bott, Bottom, Bouldin, Bowman, Branch, Brasseur, Briggs,
Brodnax, Browder, Brown(e), Bruce, Burton, Butler, Cabanis, Cabell,
Carleton, Carr, Carrington, Carter, Cave, Chappell, Cheatham, Chisum,
Christopher, Clack, Claiborne, Clarke, Clary, Clay, Clement, Cocke, Cole,
Cook, Cousins, Cox, Craddock, Crawley, Cross, Dance, Daniel, DeJarnette,
Dennis, Dickenson, Dickson, Dortch, Dupuy, DuVal, Echols, Edloe, Edmundson,
Edwards, Eggleston, Elam, Eldridge, Ellington, Elmore, Embry, Epes, Evans,
Farmer, Farrar, Featherstone, Feild, Finney, Fitzgerald, Flood, Ford,
Fowlkes, Fox, Friend, Fry, Garland, Gee, George, Giles, Gilliam, Gillintine,
Glascock, Goode, Green(e), Gunn, Guthrey, Hall, Hammock, Hampton, Hancock,
Hardaway, Harris, Harrison, Harvey, Harwood, Haskins, Hatcher, Hatchett,
Hicks, Hil(l)sman, Hill, Hooper, Howlett, Hubbard, Hudson, Hunnicutt,
Isbell, Jackson, Jacobus, Jefferson, Jeffress, Jennings, Jeter, Johns,
Jones, Jordan, Kelly, Kennon, Knight, Knowles, Laffoon, Lambert, League,
Lewis, Ligon, Lilley, Lockett, Logwood, Lound, Mabry, Maclin, Mallory,
Manly, Manly, Marchbanks, Markham, Marshall, Mayo, McGehee, Mitchell, Moody,
Moore, Morgan, Morton, Moseley, Motley, Mumford, Munford, Muse, Nash, Neal,
Nicholson, Oldham, Oliver, Osborne, Overton, Owen, Parker, Patram,
Pemberton, Penick, Penick, Perkinson, Perrin, Peterson, Petty, Price, Pride,
Pritchett, Pulliam, Quarles, Raines, Randolph, Rawlings, Read, Roberts,
Robertson, Robinson, Rogers, Rowlett, Ruffin, Russell, Scarborough, Scott,
Seay, Sheppey, Sherman, Simmons, Skerme, Skipwith, Smith, Snead, Sparrow,
Stewart, Stone, Stratton, Stuart, Swepson, Sydnor, Tanner, Tarpley, Tatum,
Thweatt, Tinsley, Traylor, Trent, Turpin, Tyus, Vaden, Vaughan, Walker,
Wallace, Walthall, Ward, Watkins, Watson, Webber, Westmoreland, White,
Wil(l)son, Wilkes, Winn, Wood, Woodson, Wooldridge, Worsham, Wynne, and
Yarbrough.



-----Original Message-----
Sheryl, thanks for the list of items in the Mecklenburg Heritage book.

Re your question: "Has anyone heard anything about the new cd on
Virginia families by Genealogical Publishing Company "Southside Virginia
Genealogies" by John W. Pritchett?"

I have not heard anything about this CD, but would welcome hearing from
anyone who knows anything about it.

Barbara		02/08/2007 2:11:03
Re: [POYTHRESS] Southside VA Families Genealogies CD questionSheryl and Cliff TownsendIf you will click on the web site and then click on the "index" under Wynn
there is a "Sloman" wasn't that Mrs. Mary Poythress maiden name?
sheryl

-----Original Message-----
Barbara,
My sister-in-law sent me a newspaper article about it. I just found this on
the web from www.genealogical.com
sheryl
quotes in the subject and the body of the message



02/08/2007 3:35:20
Re: [POYTHRESS] Southside VA Families Genealogies CD questionSheryl and Cliff TownsendYou better check the index, it has names that are not listed on that piece I
sent.
sheryl

-----Original Message-----
Thanks, Sheryl; interesting that it includes Dortch.
Barbara


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02/08/2007 3:36:42
Re: [POYTHRESS] Southside VA Families Genealogies CD questionBarbara NealThanks for the extra info about the website index. Re Sloman, I don't
know whether that is just a theory or has been proved.



02/08/2007 5:39:15
Re: [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress & James E Poythress in a Taylor document, Mecklenburg Co, VABarbara NealEarlier I wrote regarding the possible identification of the Rebecca B.
Taylor who married Lewis Poythress in April 1802, that among other
possibilities, she might have been the widow of David Taylor. Sorry for
my brain fart: This is not after all one of the possibilities regarding
her, because we know that Lewis' wife Rebecca was still alive when Lewis
signed his deed on 14 Sep 1845 to Lewis Y. Poythress and Thomas
Poythress, "my two youngest sons", for sale of 140 acres land, and
listed personal property including stock and furniture for "my natural
estimation and love" and in consideration of the sum of one dollar, upon
the condition that said sons "do bond themselves to keep me . . . and my
wife Rebecca Poythress free from want the remainder of our lives. . ."
That deed was signed on 14 Sep 1845 and recorded on 18 Oct 1845, in
Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 31, p.605.
Barbara		02/08/2007 5:47:36
[POYTHRESS] 2/07 Update on DNA Poythress/Poytress Surname StudyBarbara NealDear Poythress-List email subscribers & DNA Study participants,

In our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study we currently have 16
participants; results are now available for 15 of them. The test kit for
the 16th participant (a known descendant of Lewis Poythress of
Mecklenburg Co, VA) just got to the Lab on 2/2/07, so it will be months
before his results are available. We've used the 67-marker test for all
except the one participant who is not in Haplogroup R1b1.

I've previously mentioned to many of you the "Ysearch" website:
www.ysearch.org

Ysearch is a huge public DNA database where any of you can easily see
test results to date for our participants (or for other people of any
other surname), though with privacy regarding their exact identities. To
help preserve their privacy, I am listed at Ysearch as the contact
point, as "Poythress/Poytress Group Administrator." In the very rare
event of anyone else wishing to contact us, I get an email directly from
Ysearch, giving the option of responding or not. If it is a serious
inquiry of value, I send a copy to our participant thus giving him the
option of responding or not.

To see how similar our Poythress Y-DNA results are, please use Ysearch:

1. go to the website: http://www.ysearch.org

2. at top go to: Search by Last Name

3. Type in Poythress & hit Enter

4. At the resulting "Records Found" box, click on the "15" (at some
point soon that number will go to 16)

5. In the resulting list of the 15, you can do several things. One thing
you may want to do first is to get to the different participants'
individual pages by clicking on their respective "User ID" and at the
resulting page scroll down to the bottom to see who their ancestor was.

6. Back at the resulting list of the 15 referred to in #5 above,
click on the "Check All" link above the left-most column (or
alternatively, if you want to leave out one or more, check off the
left-most box of each line you wish to compare). You'll find that the
results are quite different for the one participant who is not shown as
being in Haplogroup R1b1 in one of the right-side columns of the listing
of participants.

7. At the top of that left column, click on the red word "Compare"

8. At the resulting page, click on "Show comparative Y-DNA results"

By following the tip in #5 above, and reading ALL the way down through
the resulting page for each person, you can find the participant who is
most closely related to you when you get down far enough to see which
Poythress ancestor the participant has. Some of you may recognize who
other participants are from their earlier messages on our email list,
even though participants' first names are not shown prominently (if at
all) for the sake of their privacy. If you do NOT find anyone whose line
you are closely related to, and you WANT to volunteer yourself or a
Poythress/Poytress brother/father/cousin to participate in our surname
DNA Study, please contact me personally at bp_neal@earthlink.net Since a
Y-DNA Study looks at a tiny part of the Y chromosome, and only males
have that chromosome, only males who inherited their DNA from a
Poythress-surnamed male (or a similar surname) would logically participate.

In the chart you get in #8 above, you'll see, for example, that in the
first 12 markers' columns most of the men have nearly identical results.
Two descendants of Lewis Poythress have one number that differs slightly
from our other participants who are in Haplogroup R1b1. (Lewis Poythress
lived from about 1771 to about 1846 in Mecklenburg County, VA.) That
difference is on DYS 439, where these two men have "12" rather than
"13." According to further information from FamilyTreeDNA this marker is
a "fast moving" marker -- one that changes more quickly than the normal
number of generations an average marker takes to change in the
population as a whole. We also were told by FamilyTreeDNA that DYS 439
is a "null" marker.

Several of the other slight differences you'll see across the chart, in
the other results for our R1b1 participants, are also in "fast moving"
markers numbered 464-c, 464-d, and 576.

We've just gotten confirmation from FamilyTreeDNA that the marker
results on one marker (534) that I asked them to re-examine for one
participant, is indeed slightly different from all our other R1b1
participants to date. He indeed has "16" instead of "15." There is a
further difference on a couple of our R1b1 participants in
another marker (481) where most participants have "22" two of our men
have "23" and "24." While FamilyTree DNA has designated some of the
markers in the first 37 columns of the chart as "fast moving," they have
not yet shown any of the markers in the last 30 columns (including 534
and 481) as being "fast moving."

Regarding these differences across 67 markers for our R1b1 participants,
please keep in mind the following quotation regarding the "fast moving"
markers from FamilyTreeDNA's website:

"The (fast moving) markers have shown a faster mutation rate then the
average, and therefore these markers are very helpful at splitting
lineages into sub sets, or branches, within your family tree. Explained
another way, if you match exactly on all of the markers except for one
or a few of the markers we have determined mutate more quickly, then
despite the mutation this mismatch only slightly decreases the
probability of two people in your surname group who match 11/12 or even
23/25 of not sharing a recent common ancestor."

And from the more technical portion of FamilyTreeDNA's website, I also
learned this about "fast moving" markers:

"The current estimate by the Anthropological community of the mutation
rate of Y chromosomal markers used for genealogy is .002, which means
that 1 mutation is expected to occur 1 time, per marker, every 500
generations. While this number may be accurate for unrelated males
within a population it appears to understate the actual mutation rate
when comparisons are made from within a family. ... The volatility rate
of these (fast moving) markers hasn’t been established. We believe that
a standard rate of change, across the entire panel, is not likely
either. If you have 2 people who match, exactly, except on a single
marker and that marker is (a fast moving marker) then the current
estimate of distance between 2 people are related is probably
overstated, and they are more closely related than could be assumed by
the distance suggested by a standard single marker deviation. A
comprehensive evaluation of marker by marker volatility rates is
currently being organized by the Molecular Lab for Science and Evolution
at the University of Arizona, and FTDNA surname groups with verified
documented genealogies will be able to participate in this study which
began during August 2003." As far as I know, none of our Poythress DNA
participants have submitted "verified documented genealogies" to
FamilyTreeDNA, so our Poythress/Poytress Group's results would not be
included in this University of Arizona evaluation of marker volatility.

Any of our Study participants who see anything in their Ysearch entry
which they wish me to change, should please let me know off-List, at
bp_neal@earthlink.net

Barbara Poythress Neal, Volunteer Group Administrator of the
Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study		02/08/2007 6:02:50
[POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Heritage Book availabilityBarbara NealFor those who may be interested, Southside Virginia Genealogical
Society's January 2007 Newsletter mentioned that they had then sold 626
copies of the Mecklenburg (County, Virginia) Heritage Book. They noted
that they still had some copies to sell, at $65 if picked up, or $72 if
mailed.

Their president, Frances Clark, would be the logical contact point. Her
email is fnclark@buggs.net

Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)		02/08/2007 6:58:50
[POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress & James E Poythress in a Taylor document, Mecklenburg Co, VABarbara NealY'all may recall that Lewis Poythress (who lived from about 1771 to
about 1846 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia) married first Elizabeth
Giles (Dec 1792) and second Rebecca B. Taylor (April 1802). From the
second marriage we've long hypothesized came James E Poythress (who was
born 13 Aug 1803, per his family's record). I confess that I even listed
James E as Lewis' son in my article submitted to The Heritage Book of
Mecklenburg County, Virginia 1765-1006, because at the time I was typing
up my article I thought we had indeed confirmed that relationship earlier.

A possible identification of this Rebecca B. Taylor comes from noting
that there was a marriage in May 1778 in Mecklenburg Co, VA between
Rebecca Dortch and David Taylor. Thus two possibilities for the
identification of Lewis' wife include being
(1) the widow of David Taylor, or
(2) a daughter born of Rebecca Dortch & David Taylor
among other possibilities.

I've recently been going thru many Dortch and Taylor estate entries in
the microfilms of early Mecklenburg County Will Books. The filming was
done in the 1940s, and the quality of the lighting on each page makes
this VERY difficult. The middle of each page is bleached almost white,
while the tops and bottoms of each page are unlit & almost black. Thus
even a photocopy made from microfilm is almost completely illegible;
copies of the copy are impossible to make readable.

While I haven't finished studying or copying all the available Dortch &
Taylor estate entries in these estate books, I am thrilled to have found
the names of both Lewis Poythress and James E Poythress within just a
few lines on ONE record, and it's a record regarding a Rebecca Taylor to
boot! This is the first "original" document of any type where I've seen
Lewis and James E both mentioned in the same document.

This document prompted me to order from the Library of Virginia copies
of the contents of the Mecklenburg County, VA Chancery Court record in
case # 1824-084, the case of Rebecca Taylor vs Adms David Dortch the
Younger, which Julie, you formerly mentioned to us. I look forward to
the Library's copies of this document, which may enlighten us further
regarding the judgment shown below as paid to Lewis Poytress (sic) and
the witness fee paid to James E Poytress (sic). It seems logical to me
that careful study of all this will confirm the hypothesis that James E
was a son of Lewis.

This document is in Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 10, beginning on the
top of p.305, and extending three-quarters of the way down that page. It
is an accounting of "The Estate of Rebecca Taylor, In act. with Edmond
Taylor, admr" (administrator). This is just a listing of debits and
credits to her estate, during a period of 1823-1825. Though the
"Lombardy Grove" paragraph mentions "inventory" I haven't yet found one
for her estate.

The accounting reads as shown below. The amounts are in one column on
the right, though here they will not be clearly in one column. The
amounts have a slight space, rather than a decimal point, in them; I'm
using decimals here for clarity of spacing of the numerals. At the
bottom line of the first portion, the "180.36" on Edmond Taylor's line
is shown precisely under the column of the amounts above that line, and
the number further to the right is a total of that 180.36 plus the
amounts above it. Then in the lower, Credits, portion the "28.00" is
shown precisely in the column, with the balancing "399.07" shown further
to the right, under the same amount from the top portion.

The word "To" is dittoed for many lines, but I'm typing it each time for
clarity. The 1st line's day of the month appears to be the 14th, so
that's the date I'm typing. The 2nd of the 2 lines regarding Alicia
Thomas is dittoed all across that line, from the date to the right side
where the amount is written out; I'm retyping the full line for clarity
here. The month of March is dittoed for lines 3 thru 5, but for clarity
I'm typing "Mar" here. The 5th line dittoes everything but "2nd" and
James' name, but for clarity I'm typing out the words dittoed from
Alicia's lines. The next line after James' entry could be 1823 or 1825;
here I'll use 1823 and ditto that difficult-to-read year that begins the
next line, for as many lines as the original has ditto marks. All the
parentheses are mine. I've put question marks where I'm not sure I've
read the name/initial correctly or where I cannot read part of the name
after Baskervill for the 28 Nov line.

If anyone wishes to examine this document on microfilm, Will Book 10 is
on Film # 32,521 available from Family History Centers everywhere. It is
no doubt also available at the Library of Virginia.

Transcribed 8 Feb 2007 by Barbara Poythress Neal from
Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 10, p.305:
The Estate of Rebecca Taylor, In act. with Edmond Taylor, admr
1824 14th May To amt bond & Int. due one individually 103.66
1825 3d Mar To Lewis Poytress for Judgment 5.95
1st Mar To amt paid Alicia Thomas for attendance as witness 4.77
1st Mar To amt paid Alicia Thomas for attendance as witness .53
2nd Mar To James E Poytress for attendance as witness 4.73
1823 28 Nov paid Charles Baskervill & Bro??? per acct 68.77
" 17 May paid Wm G(?) Taylor to pay Isham Cleaton per acct 1.75
" 17 May paid Thomas Suggett for crying property at sale 5.00
" Augt Cash paid two Lawyers Fee to Lockett(?) 5.00
Commissions allowed on $371.37 basis(?)
amt sales of the Estate at 5% Cch(?) 18.55
amt now due by Edmond Taylor 180.36 399.07

Cr (credits)
1823 May 16th By acct Sales made this day 371.07
17 " cash received for Tobacco 28.00 399.07

Lombardy Grove March 3rd 1825
We the commissioners appointed by the deceased Orator have proceeded to
examine State & settle the act. of Edmond Taylor & inventory of Rebecca
Taylor and find after making an allowance of five perCent on the amt.
sales of Three Hundred Seventy one dollars and seven cents, a balance
due the Estate from the above Edmond Taylor of One Hundred eighty
Dollars and thirty six cents.
(signed) William D(?) Baskervill
Jas. Taylor
Geo. D. Baskervill

At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 16th day of May 1825
This account current of Edmond Taylor administrator of Rebecca Taylor
Dec'd was returned to Court by Commissioners appointed to settle the
same. -- And at a Court held for our said County on the 18th day of July
1825 The same having been returned two months and no exceptions taken
thereto, was confirmed, and ordered to be recorded.
Teste Edw G Tabb, cl (clerk)		02/08/2007 8:50:59
Re: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Heritage Book availabilityBarbara NealMaynard & Judy,
I can't speak completely to the question re whether the book has
anything you don't already know since I haven't read anything but the
articles submitted by me, BPW, & Sarah of our List. There is one other
"Poythress" article about James Leta Smiley Poythress, submitted by
Linda M. Roberts of Brodnax, VA, which doesn't mention any dates earlier
than 1851. Thus if all you're interested in is Poythress articles, you
probably would not find anything new. If, however, you want to look for
clues from other surnames' articles, or read more about the county, be
assured there are 300+ pages in the book.
Barbara		02/08/2007 9:42:08
Re: [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress & James E. Poythress in a Taylor document, Mecklenburg Co VABarbara NealYes, Elaine, definitely good to see the other surnames, too. And as a
matter of fact the Suggett name is one that also shows up in my line's
family record: a brother of Catherine Preston (She married James E
Poythress), Jones Preston, married Rebecca Suggett/Sargett (The
handwritten version of the Poythress-Preston family record is less than
clear re spelling written)
Thanks, Barbara



02/08/2007 9:48:22
Re: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Heritage Book availabilityJohn M. PoythressAnybody know if there is anything in here we don't already
know. I've got enough invested already in genealogy books
that have nothing new in 'em.

Thanks,

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara
Neal
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:59 PM
To: Poythress List
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Heritage Book availability

For those who may be interested, Southside Virginia
Genealogical
Society's January 2007 Newsletter mentioned that they had
then sold 626
copies of the Mecklenburg (County, Virginia) Heritage Book.
They noted
that they still had some copies to sell, at $65 if picked
up, or $72 if
mailed.

Their president, Frances Clark, would be the logical contact
point. Her
email is fnclark@buggs.net

Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)


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Re: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Heritage Book availabilityMy thoughts exactly Maynard. If there is I would like to order one.
Judy
>
> From: "John M. Poythress"
> Date: 2007/02/08 Thu PM 05:14:13 EST
> To:
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Heritage Book availability
>
> Anybody know if there is anything in here we don't already
> know. I've got enough invested already in genealogy books
> that have nothing new in 'em.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
> [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara
> Neal
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:59 PM
> To: Poythress List
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Heritage Book availability
>
> For those who may be interested, Southside Virginia
> Genealogical
> Society's January 2007 Newsletter mentioned that they had
> then sold 626
> copies of the Mecklenburg (County, Virginia) Heritage Book.
> They noted
> that they still had some copies to sell, at $65 if picked
> up, or $72 if
> mailed.
>
> Their president, Frances Clark, would be the logical contact
> point. Her
> email is fnclark@buggs.net
>
> Cheers,
> Barbara (BPN)
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>
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>		02/08/2007 10:51:33
Re: [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress & James E. Poythress in a Taylor document, Mecklenburg Co VABarbara, how exciting for you. I found it also interesting that the surnames
Cleaton and Thomas are mentioned in the below transcription. Meredith
Poythress married Edith Cleaton in Mecklenbury VA in 1781 and in the 1850
Mecklenburg VA Census a 4 year old William Poythress was living in the household of a
Nancy Thomas. A new document to further tie these surnames together.

Take care,
Elaine


Y'all may recall that Lewis Poythress (who lived from about 1771 to
about 1846 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia) married first Elizabeth
Giles (Dec 1792) and second Rebecca B. Taylor (April 1802). From the
second marriage we've long hypothesized came James E Poythress (who was
born 13 Aug 1803, per his family's record). I confess that I even listed
James E as Lewis' son in my article submitted to The Heritage Book of
Mecklenburg County, Virginia 1765-1006, because at the time I was typing
up my article I thought we had indeed confirmed that relationship earlier.

A possible identification of this Rebecca B. Taylor comes from noting
that there was a marriage in May 1778 in Mecklenburg Co, VA between
Rebecca Dortch and David Taylor. Thus two possibilities for the
identification of Lewis' wife include being
(1) the widow of David Taylor, or
(2) a daughter born of Rebecca Dortch & David Taylor
among other possibilities.

I've recently been going thru many Dortch and Taylor estate entries in
the microfilms of early Mecklenburg County Will Books. The filming was
done in the 1940s, and the quality of the lighting on each page makes
this VERY difficult. The middle of each page is bleached almost white,
while the tops and bottoms of each page are unlit & almost black. Thus
even a photocopy made from microfilm is almost completely illegible;
copies of the copy are impossible to make readable.

While I haven't finished studying or copying all the available Dortch &
Taylor estate entries in these estate books, I am thrilled to have found
the names of both Lewis Poythress and James E Poythress within just a
few lines on ONE record, and it's a record regarding a Rebecca Taylor to
boot! This is the first "original" document of any type where I've seen
Lewis and James E both mentioned in the same document.

This document prompted me to order from the Library of Virginia copies
of the contents of the Mecklenburg County, VA Chancery Court record in
case # 1824-084, the case of Rebecca Taylor vs Adms David Dortch the
Younger, which Julie, you formerly mentioned to us. I look forward to
the Library's copies of this document, which may enlighten us further
regarding the judgment shown below as paid to Lewis Poytress (sic) and
the witness fee paid to James E Poytress (sic). It seems logical to me
that careful study of all this will confirm the hypothesis that James E
was a son of Lewis.

This document is in Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 10, beginning on the
top of p.305, and extending three-quarters of the way down that page. It
is an accounting of "The Estate of Rebecca Taylor, In act. with Edmond
Taylor, admr" (administrator). This is just a listing of debits and
credits to her estate, during a period of 1823-1825. Though the
"Lombardy Grove" paragraph mentions "inventory" I haven't yet found one
for her estate.

The accounting reads as shown below. The amounts are in one column on
the right, though here they will not be clearly in one column. The
amounts have a slight space, rather than a decimal point, in them; I'm
using decimals here for clarity of spacing of the numerals. At the
bottom line of the first portion, the "180.36" on Edmond Taylor's line
is shown precisely under the column of the amounts above that line, and
the number further to the right is a total of that 180.36 plus the
amounts above it. Then in the lower, Credits, portion the "28.00" is
shown precisely in the column, with the balancing "399.07" shown further
to the right, under the same amount from the top portion.

The word "To" is dittoed for many lines, but I'm typing it each time for
clarity. The 1st line's day of the month appears to be the 14th, so
that's the date I'm typing. The 2nd of the 2 lines regarding Alicia
Thomas is dittoed all across that line, from the date to the right side
where the amount is written out; I'm retyping the full line for clarity
here. The month of March is dittoed for lines 3 thru 5, but for clarity
I'm typing "Mar" here. The 5th line dittoes everything but "2nd" and
James' name, but for clarity I'm typing out the words dittoed from
Alicia's lines. The next line after James' entry could be 1823 or 1825;
here I'll use 1823 and ditto that difficult-to-read year that begins the
next line, for as many lines as the original has ditto marks. All the
parentheses are mine. I've put question marks where I'm not sure I've
read the name/initial correctly or where I cannot read part of the name
after Baskervill for the 28 Nov line.

If anyone wishes to examine this document on microfilm, Will Book 10 is
on Film # 32,521 available from Family History Centers everywhere. It is
no doubt also available at the Library of Virginia.

Transcribed 8 Feb 2007 by Barbara Poythress Neal from
Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 10, p.305:
The Estate of Rebecca Taylor, In act. with Edmond Taylor, admr
1824 14th May To amt bond & Int. due one individually 103.66
1825 3d Mar To Lewis Poytress for Judgment 5.95
1st Mar To amt paid Alicia Thomas for attendance as witness 4.77
1st Mar To amt paid Alicia Thomas for attendance as witness .53
2nd Mar To James E Poytress for attendance as witness 4.73
1823 28 Nov paid Charles Baskervill & Bro??? per acct 68.77
" 17 May paid Wm G(?) Taylor to pay Isham Cleaton per acct 1.75
" 17 May paid Thomas Suggett for crying property at sale 5.00
" Augt Cash paid two Lawyers Fee to Lockett(?) 5.00
Commissions allowed on $371.37 basis(?)
amt sales of the Estate at 5% Cch(?) 18.55
amt now due by Edmond Taylor 180.36 399.07

Cr (credits)
1823 May 16th By acct Sales made this day 371.07
17 " cash received for Tobacco 28.00 399.07

Lombardy Grove March 3rd 1825
We the commissioners appointed by the deceased Orator have proceeded to
examine State & settle the act. of Edmond Taylor & inventory of Rebecca
Taylor and find after making an allowance of five perCent on the amt.
sales of Three Hundred Seventy one dollars and seven cents, a balance
due the Estate from the above Edmond Taylor of One Hundred eighty
Dollars and thirty six cents.
(signed) William D(?) Baskervill
Jas. Taylor
Geo. D. Baskervill

At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 16th day of May 1825
This account current of Edmond Taylor administrator of Rebecca Taylor
Dec'd was returned to Court by Commissioners appointed to settle the
same. -- And at a Court held for our said County on the 18th day of July
1825 The same having been returned two months and no exceptions taken
thereto, was confirmed, and ordered to be recorded.
Teste Edw G Tabb, cl (clerk)		02/08/2007 11:23:01
[POYTHRESS] Southside VA Families Genealogies CD questionBarbara NealSheryl, thanks for the list of items in the Mecklenburg Heritage book.

Re your question: "Has anyone heard anything about the new cd on
Virginia families by Genealogical Publishing Company "Southside Virginia
Genealogies" by John W. Pritchett?"

I have not heard anything about this CD, but would welcome hearing from
anyone who knows anything about it.

Barbara







02/08/2007 12:24:46
Re: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Heritage Book availabilitySheryl and Cliff TownsendI did order the book and have received it.
It has a sketch & a picture of John Lewis Poythress submitted by Sarah
Royster Poythress of NC;
a sketch of Charles David Poythress and a family picture of Charles David,
Effie, Charles James, John, Indiana and Benjamin Poythress submitted by
Barbara Poythress Wolfe;
a sketch & a picture of James Edward Poythress and photos of Catherine
Preston and James Edward Poythress (tintype) and Daguerreotype of Joshua
Lewis and Nathan Francis Poythress, photo of Robert Neal and Verinda
Priscilla Poythress McKinley and a picture of Rebecca B.J. Poythress
Lavendar (Mrs.John Davis) submitted by Barbara P. Neal of UT;
a sketch of Algernon Edward Poythress with photo of Algermon Edward
Poythress (tintype), Belle McKinley (tintype), Charles and Annie Poythress
Curtis, Thomas Marvin and Adelaide Poythress Curtis, Poythress siblings in
1941: Kate Gartin, Maggie, Jimmie, and Bennie Poythress, Nathan Hamet
Poythress and Fannie Cornelia Godfrey and Nathan Hamet Poythress' sons:
Hamet, Jr., Norman, Clifton and Bill taken 1943 submitted by Charles Neal of
UT;
a sketch of James Leta Smiley Poythress with a picture of James Leta Smiley
and Ollie Richard Poythress submitted by Linda M. Roberts of VA.
a sketch of James B. Jones submitted by Julie Cabitto of VA;
a sketch of Walter Thomas and Mary Ella Cannon Morris submitted by Jimmy
Jones of VA;
a sketch of Virginia Caroline Morris submitted by L. Morris of VA;
a sketch of James G. Morris submitted by D. Morris of VA;
two Bracey School pictures: 1934-35 F.A. Poythress & 1936 Ella Mae Poythress
submitted by Carol B. Coker of VA;
a picture of Park View High School Business Class 1961 Gene Poythress;
a picture of Park View High School 1977 Baseball Team Roger Poythress
submitted by Mary Wells of VA;
a sketch of Clarence Montgomery Roberts submitted by Tammy Townsend of VA

I believe that is all. I don't know if any of this will be of help but that
is what I found.
sheryl
ps
Has anyone heard anything about the new cd on Virginia families by
Genealogical Publishing Company "Southside Virginia Genealogies" by John W.
Pritchett?


-----Original Message-----
My thoughts exactly Maynard. If there is I would like to order one.
Judy
>
>
> Anybody know if there is anything in here we don't already
> know. I've got enough invested already in genealogy books
> that have nothing new in 'em.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> For those who may be interested, Southside Virginia
> Genealogical
> Society's January 2007 Newsletter mentioned that they had
> then sold 626
> copies of the Mecklenburg (County, Virginia) Heritage Book.
> They noted
> that they still had some copies to sell, at $65 if picked
> up, or $72 if
> mailed.
>
> Their president, Frances Clark, would be the logical contact
> point. Her
> email is fnclark@buggs.net
>
> Cheers,
> Barbara (BPN)
>
>		02/08/2007 12:56:27
Re: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Heritage Book availabilityThanks Barb.
Judy
>
> From: Barbara Neal
> Date: 2007/02/08 Thu PM 06:42:08 EST
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Heritage Book availability
>
> Maynard & Judy,
> I can't speak completely to the question re whether the book has
> anything you don't already know since I haven't read anything but the
> articles submitted by me, BPW, & Sarah of our List. There is one other
> "Poythress" article about James Leta Smiley Poythress, submitted by
> Linda M. Roberts of Brodnax, VA, which doesn't mention any dates earlier
> than 1851. Thus if all you're interested in is Poythress articles, you
> probably would not find anything new. If, however, you want to look for
> clues from other surnames' articles, or read more about the county, be
> assured there are 300+ pages in the book.
> Barbara
>
>
> -------------------------------
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>		02/09/2007 7:28:30
[POYTHRESS] Info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit 1824-084Barbara NealI received the photocopies from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit
1824-084, Rebecca Taylor vs Adms David Dortch the Younger.

It contains a number of documents & it would be lengthy to transcribe
all of it. It includes a copy of the Will of the elder David Dortch
whose will is very adequately abstracted in Katherine B. Elliott's book,
"Early Wills 1765-1799, Mecklenburg County, Virginia."

Helpful tidbits learned for our purposes of learning more about Lewis
Poythress whose 2nd wife was a Rebecca Taylor are these tidbits:

(1) the plaintiff, Rebecca Taylor, was born Rebecca Dortch, daughter of
David Dortch (the elder); she also had a brother named David Dortch (the
younger) who was Executor of their father's estate

(2) plaintiff Rebecca had married David Taylor

(3) David & Rebecca Taylor lived on land that belonged to Henry Walker

(4) David & Rebecca Taylor lived in "(financially embarrassing
circumstances" -- even extreme poverty; husband David Taylor died much
earlier, leaving his wife & children in great financial difficulty

(5) David & Rebecca Taylor had a daughter (Rebecca) who married Lewis
Poythress!! This particular tidbit comes from a "copy" of a document
from another chancery case, one of the several Mecklenburg chancery
cases of Dortch vs Dortch. I've now ordered more documents to see if I
can find this case, in which apparently testimony/deposition was taken
mentioning Lewis Poythress.

The tidbit #3 above is one I find quite interesting. We know from
Mecklenburg marriage records that in July of 1846 there were two
Poythress marriages listed:
Lewis Y Poythress & Mary C Ferguson, 20 July 1846, bondsman William A
Dortch
Lewis Poythress & Martha E Walker, July 1846, Minister James McAden.

I've long been puzzled by the latter marriage, and wondered even if it
could've been a mistake, since we know from the Deed signed 14 Sep 1845
by Lewis Poythress that Lewis transferred to Lewis Y. Poythress and
Thomas Poythress, "my two youngest sons", 140 acres of land, and listed
personal property including stock and furniture for "my natural
estimation and love" and in consideration of the sum of one dollar, upon
the condition that said sons "do bond themselves to keep me . . . and my
wife Rebecca Poythress free from want the remainder of our lives. . ."
which deed was signed on 14 Sep 1845 and recorded on 18 Oct 1845, Deed
Book 31, p.605.

We've long known that Lewis was dead by 12 July 1848, and it just has
been difficult to believe he married again. We know he was dead by July
1848, from Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 32, pp.537-538, son Lewis Y
executed a Deed of Trust showing he was indebted to David Poythress, and
pledging the "tract of land whereon the sd Poythress now resides
containing 100 acres more or less together with his interest in one
youke of oxen (being the land &c conveyed by Lewis Poythress decd to sd
L.Y. & Thomas Poythress) lying & being..."

NOW we can see that Lewis' mother-in-law, Rebecca (nee Dortch) Taylor
had lived on land belonging to a Walker. Thus if Lewis' 2nd wife Rebecca
(nee Taylor) Poythress indeed died between 14 Sep 1845 and July of 1846,
it makes a bit more sense to me that Lewis (quite late in life) married
a 3rd time, to Martha E Walker, in the same month Lewis' son Lewis Y was
marrying. This could've been to "legitimize" Martha living in Lewis'
household to help care for him in his last couple of years -- perhaps
she had even been there for a while helping care for Lewis' 2nd wife
Rebecca before she died. (That same type of thing happened in the latter
half of the 1800s in my maternal line, in Texas, and has made me realize
how easy it could have happened.)

Barbara		02/11/2007 3:36:33
Re: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Heritage Book availabilityELIZABETH MORRISI received my book and it is very much information in it about the area and
the people from there. I actually submitted a lot of the articles and still
found the book worth it for the many pictures and the work that was put into
this book. I have several from other counties and this is the best one I
have purchased. Libbee Morris


>From: Barbara Neal
>Reply-To: poythress@rootsweb.com
>To: poythress@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Heritage Book availability
>Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:42:08 -0700
>
>Maynard & Judy,
>I can't speak completely to the question re whether the book has
>anything you don't already know since I haven't read anything but the
>articles submitted by me, BPW, & Sarah of our List. There is one other
>"Poythress" article about James Leta Smiley Poythress, submitted by
>Linda M. Roberts of Brodnax, VA, which doesn't mention any dates earlier
>than 1851. Thus if all you're interested in is Poythress articles, you
>probably would not find anything new. If, however, you want to look for
>clues from other surnames' articles, or read more about the county, be
>assured there are 300+ pages in the book.
>Barbara
>
>
>-------------------------------
>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
>POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
>quotes in the subject and the body of the message		02/11/2007 9:41:42
Re: [POYTHRESS] Info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit 1824-084- Bracey VA & Dortch, SpeedJulie CabittoSome of this I know I've written before, but will write again to try to not
be too confusing....

I have about 7 chancery cases involving these Dortch suits. One of the cases
is 75 pages and I still don't think it was resolved! I will look through to
see what I can find. Also, on wills, chancery etc, to find Poythress
connections...I live an hour north of Richmond archives. And 2 1/2 hours
north of Mecklenburg VA. One of the things I am trying to start working on
is trying to find Rebecca Taylor's parents, the Rebecca that married Lewis
Poythress. I have about 7 Taylor groups in my tree in Mecklenburg VA, and
they are related, I just can prove the links yet.

Also, Newman Dortch, (the father of William Archer Dortch, and the
father-in-law of Sarah Poythress) was the brother to the David Dortch in the
suit you got. ( I think I have this case you mentioned Barbara too.) Newman
Dortch married Sarah "Sally" Speed. Sarah's father was James Speed. Later in
James Speed's life, Newman and Sarah moved in with James Speed. His home
needed lots of repairs and over several years Newman fixed up the house and
land, and financially cared for James Speed for about 10-15 years if I
remember right. They added buildings and large improvements. So James Speed
willed the house to Newman because of how much money he had put into it. So
Sally's sisters sued because they wanted the house sold and the money
divided between all the siblings, and didn't like it that Newman got the
family house. I have a plat the shows the home. But I have no idea where the
house would've been, because the plat shows "Courthouse Rd." and I have no
idea where that would've been pre-1840. The case only has the plat and the
complaint, but doesn't show if it was dropped, if anything happened etc. I
sent a few copies out to others on this list with Speed connections, but if
I missed you and you'd like a copy, please let me know. Newman Dortch and
Sally Speed had 7 children, 2 are unknown. The 5 I know of are: James David
Dortch that married cousin Nancy Ann Dortch; Mary Speed Dortch that married
David Poythress (son of Lewis Poythress and Elizabeth Giles); Lucy Russell
Dortch that married James M. Tucker; William Archer Dortch that married
Sarah Poythress and Elizabeth Mise; Sarah or Sally Dortch that married David
Poythress (the same David that married the older sister Mary Speed Dortch).

I found a cemetery that had Taylor's and it's right about where I think our
Dortch-Poythress family were. It's only about 2 miles down the road from
where 2 family homesteads are that I know of. And I'm told the Poythress
farm was on this same street. One of Foxhall Poythress daughter-in-law
Bernice lives on this street today in a family home. I call this group of
families (that are very related to each other, and even a lot of cousin
marriages) my Nelly Jones Rd. families. The area is called Bracey in
Mecklenburg VA.

I found Carol Corker that submitted pictures and info about Bracey. We are
comparing notes. She's going to help me figure out a few connections. I met
some men called the Gitman brothers, last June. There is a family cemetery
on their property. A few of Lyn Bairds ancestors are in this cemetery, and
he's the one that told me how to find it. There are also Taylor's and Mise
(or Mize) in the cemetery. Note: William Archer Dortch's second wife was
Elizabeth Mise. His first wife was Sarah Poythress. The theory is Sarah
Poythress parents Rebecca Taylor and Thomas Poythress. I can't make
connections with this cemetery yet, because the tombstones are for more
recent burials. It's the unmarked graves where I'd be connected. But the
Gitman brothers told me some people that might be able to tell me more. They
also told me they thought "Poythress farm" was on Nelly Jones Rd. There's
two roads that intersect, and the area I'm talking about is about a 3 mile
stretch of road, so just a small area. Bernice and the Jones and also
Gray-Kidd-Lambert homestead are on Nelly Jones Rd. The Gitman's and their
cemetery is on Blackridge Rd that intersects with Nelly Jones Rd. Rehoboth
church is also on Blackridge Rd. and is where Foxhall Poythress and his
family are buried. Foxhall's mother Anna or Ella Jones is sister to my
gr...grandma Sarah Elizabeth Jones. Foxhill's wife Annie May Kidd was first
cousin to my grandma Fannie Elizabeth Gray which was pictured in the
Heritage book. I connect to the Poythress lines in a few places in
Mecklenburg because in Bracey the family trees criss cross so much. My Nelly
Jones families include: Taylor, Cannon, Dortch, Poythress, Gray, William
Jones family, King, Lambert, Kidd, Glover (includes Tudor and Clary). These
families intermarried a lot!!And there are Poythress connections in
Mecklenburg VA to all these families I just mentioned. It's like a Giant
puzzle, and I love puzzles.

On my next trip to Richmond, I hope to look up more Taylor chancery and
wills to look for "Rebecca Poythress my daughter". I know that may be hoping
for a miracle, but I have to try. In Bracey, most of the families were
subsistent farmers, without much surplus to sell. They lived very modestly.
The Taylors seemed to have money and at least left a paper trail, so they
are the best chance to follow. Most of the other families I mentioned died
broke and then were taken to chancery to try to settle debts. But there was
nothing to settle with because there was no money.

So there's my latest on the Rebecca Taylor and Lewis Poythress searches.
(This is my direct line by Sarah Poythress that married William Archer
Dortch.)
Hope this info helps a little.
Love,
Julie Cabitto

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Neal"
To: "Poythress List"
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 12:36 AM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit 1824-084


>I received the photocopies from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit
> 1824-084, Rebecca Taylor vs Adms David Dortch the Younger.
>
> It contains a number of documents & it would be lengthy to transcribe
> all of it. It includes a copy of the Will of the elder David Dortch
> whose will is very adequately abstracted in Katherine B. Elliott's book,
> "Early Wills 1765-1799, Mecklenburg County, Virginia."
>
> Helpful tidbits learned for our purposes of learning more about Lewis
> Poythress whose 2nd wife was a Rebecca Taylor are these tidbits:
>
> (1) the plaintiff, Rebecca Taylor, was born Rebecca Dortch, daughter of
> David Dortch (the elder); she also had a brother named David Dortch (the
> younger) who was Executor of their father's estate
>
> (2) plaintiff Rebecca had married David Taylor
>
> (3) David & Rebecca Taylor lived on land that belonged to Henry Walker
>
> (4) David & Rebecca Taylor lived in "(financially embarrassing
> circumstances" -- even extreme poverty; husband David Taylor died much
> earlier, leaving his wife & children in great financial difficulty
>
> (5) David & Rebecca Taylor had a daughter (Rebecca) who married Lewis
> Poythress!! This particular tidbit comes from a "copy" of a document
> from another chancery case, one of the several Mecklenburg chancery
> cases of Dortch vs Dortch. I've now ordered more documents to see if I
> can find this case, in which apparently testimony/deposition was taken
> mentioning Lewis Poythress.
>
> The tidbit #3 above is one I find quite interesting. We know from
> Mecklenburg marriage records that in July of 1846 there were two
> Poythress marriages listed:
> Lewis Y Poythress & Mary C Ferguson, 20 July 1846, bondsman William A
> Dortch
> Lewis Poythress & Martha E Walker, July 1846, Minister James McAden.
>
> I've long been puzzled by the latter marriage, and wondered even if it
> could've been a mistake, since we know from the Deed signed 14 Sep 1845
> by Lewis Poythress that Lewis transferred to Lewis Y. Poythress and
> Thomas Poythress, "my two youngest sons", 140 acres of land, and listed
> personal property including stock and furniture for "my natural
> estimation and love" and in consideration of the sum of one dollar, upon
> the condition that said sons "do bond themselves to keep me . . . and my
> wife Rebecca Poythress free from want the remainder of our lives. . ."
> which deed was signed on 14 Sep 1845 and recorded on 18 Oct 1845, Deed
> Book 31, p.605.
>
> We've long known that Lewis was dead by 12 July 1848, and it just has
> been difficult to believe he married again. We know he was dead by July
> 1848, from Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 32, pp.537-538, son Lewis Y
> executed a Deed of Trust showing he was indebted to David Poythress, and
> pledging the "tract of land whereon the sd Poythress now resides
> containing 100 acres more or less together with his interest in one
> youke of oxen (being the land &c conveyed by Lewis Poythress decd to sd
> L.Y. & Thomas Poythress) lying & being..."
>
> NOW we can see that Lewis' mother-in-law, Rebecca (nee Dortch) Taylor
> had lived on land belonging to a Walker. Thus if Lewis' 2nd wife Rebecca
> (nee Taylor) Poythress indeed died between 14 Sep 1845 and July of 1846,
> it makes a bit more sense to me that Lewis (quite late in life) married
> a 3rd time, to Martha E Walker, in the same month Lewis' son Lewis Y was
> marrying. This could've been to "legitimize" Martha living in Lewis'
> household to help care for him in his last couple of years -- perhaps
> she had even been there for a while helping care for Lewis' 2nd wife
> Rebecca before she died. (That same type of thing happened in the latter
> half of the 1800s in my maternal line, in Texas, and has made me realize
> how easy it could have happened.)
>
> Barbara
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit 1824-084- Bracey VA & Dortch, SpeedBarbara NealHi Julie,
Thanks for putting in one message numerous things you've shared with us
before; it helps refresh memories as well as connect some of those
families for any newcomers to the List.

You mentioned in your 2nd paragraph "One of the things I am trying to
start working on is trying to find Rebecca Taylor's parents, the Rebecca
that married Lewis Poythress."

However, the papers in the case I mentioned yesterday (1824-084; Rebecca
Taylor vs Administrators of David Dortch, the Younger) already prove
that particular part of the puzzle, if the backs of documents are
examined carefully. One shows that the mother of the Taylor (Rebecca)
who married Lewis Poythress, was the plaintiff in this case -- Rebecca
(nee Dortch; daughter of David Dortch) Taylor -- And thus her husband,
David Taylor, who had died many years before his widow, was the father
of the Rebecca Taylor who married Lewis. There was a good bit of info in
the case about the fact that when David Taylor died, he left his widow &
their children in financial straits.

It's great that you & Carol Corker are in touch & can compare info now;
I hope that leads to increased info. In the paragraph where you
mentioned her, I think there was one typo where you wrote: "Note:
William Archer Dortch's second wife was Elizabeth Mise. His first wife
was Sarah Poythress. The theory is Sarah Poythress parents Rebecca
Taylor and Thomas Poythress." I think you meant the theory is that
Sarah's parents were Rebecca & Lewis?

Glad to know you have about 7 of the Dortch suits. They certainly were a
litigious group, which is great since it leaves so much info to be
discovered. I had seen in LVA's chancery suit index that one of the
suits included a plat; I appreciate knowing from you what that involved,
and what the plat itself showed.

Cheers,
Barbara		02/12/2007 2:38:08
[POYTHRESS] Upper & lower districts of Mecklenburg Co?Barbara Neal"Upper Tax District" and "Lower Tax District" are terms one sees in
early Virginia counties' records, including Mecklenburg County.

Perhaps I knew this earlier, but have recently been reminded of it in
reading a book review in The Virginia Genealogical Society Newsletter
(August 2006 issue) written by Barbara Vines Little. She noted that
"Early Virginia county tax districts were frequently described as upper
or lower depending on whether they were located on the upper or lower
part of a river."

Can any of you familiar with Mecklenburg County please speak up & let us
know if this was the reasoning for those names of the early districts
there? And roughly where the Upper District versus Lower District were
located?

Thanks for any clarification.
BPN		02/12/2007 4:10:03
Re: [POYTHRESS] Info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit 1824-084- Bracey VA & Dortch, SpeedJulie CabittoBarbara,
I think there were at least two separate Rebecca Taylors. I don't think the
Rebecca Taylor in the Dortch suit is the same Rebecca Taylor that was
married to Lewis Poythress. The time periods don't match up right. I have 3
separate Rebecca Taylor's in my tree all from Mecklenburg VA.

Thanks for clarifying the theory part. I think I grouped too many things in
one sentence. Yes, William Archer Dortch was indeed married to Sarah
Poythress and Elizabeth Mise. The theory part is who Sarah's parents are. I
still don't have a paper proof that Sarah Poythress is daughter of Rebecca
Taylor and Lewis Poythress. Every time there was a place for parents
"unknown" was written.

If you let me know the case number with the plat you were interested in, I
will look it up. I have pulled every chancery case in LVA (Richmond
Archives) with a Dortch in the suit. The Dortch's are definitely some of the
"livelier" ancestors of mine, often getting mad at each other and suing each
other, ... even today.
Love,
Julie

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Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit
1824-084- Bracey VA & Dortch, Speed


> Hi Julie,
> Thanks for putting in one message numerous things you've shared with us
> before; it helps refresh memories as well as connect some of those
> families for any newcomers to the List.
>
> You mentioned in your 2nd paragraph "One of the things I am trying to
> start working on is trying to find Rebecca Taylor's parents, the Rebecca
> that married Lewis Poythress."
>
> However, the papers in the case I mentioned yesterday (1824-084; Rebecca
> Taylor vs Administrators of David Dortch, the Younger) already prove
> that particular part of the puzzle, if the backs of documents are
> examined carefully. One shows that the mother of the Taylor (Rebecca)
> who married Lewis Poythress, was the plaintiff in this case -- Rebecca
> (nee Dortch; daughter of David Dortch) Taylor -- And thus her husband,
> David Taylor, who had died many years before his widow, was the father
> of the Rebecca Taylor who married Lewis. There was a good bit of info in
> the case about the fact that when David Taylor died, he left his widow &
> their children in financial straits.
>
> It's great that you & Carol Corker are in touch & can compare info now;
> I hope that leads to increased info. In the paragraph where you
> mentioned her, I think there was one typo where you wrote: "Note:
> William Archer Dortch's second wife was Elizabeth Mise. His first wife
> was Sarah Poythress. The theory is Sarah Poythress parents Rebecca
> Taylor and Thomas Poythress." I think you meant the theory is that
> Sarah's parents were Rebecca & Lewis?
>
> Glad to know you have about 7 of the Dortch suits. They certainly were a
> litigious group, which is great since it leaves so much info to be
> discovered. I had seen in LVA's chancery suit index that one of the
> suits included a plat; I appreciate knowing from you what that involved,
> and what the plat itself showed.
>
> Cheers,
> Barbara
>
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit 1824-084- Bracey VA & Dortch, SpeedBarbara NealJulie,
Re the plat, I was just interested in what you said about it; I'm not
seeking a copy at this point.

Re your comment about lively relatives: it's interesting how long
certain family traits get carried down.

Please see my separate message today captioned "Yes 2 Rebecca Taylors"
Cheers, Barbara		02/12/2007 6:28:04
[POYTHRESS] Yes 2 Rebecca TaylorsBarbara NealYes, Julie, there were these 2 Rebecca Taylors, now clarified by
Mecklenburg County, Virginia chancery case 1824-084 "Rebecca Taylor vs
Administrators of David Dortch the Younger."

They are:

1. Rebecca Taylor, the mother. Her maiden name was Dortch (daughter of
David Dortch). She was the widow of David Taylor. Her name is the one
who is shown as the plaintiff in Mecklenburg chancery case 1824-084
"Rebecca Taylor vs Administrators of David Dortch the Younger." Her
brother's administrators were the defendants in the suit, which
concerned the $50 legacy she was given in the Will of their father,
David Dortch the elder.

2. Rebecca B. Taylor, her daughter, who married Lewis Poythress as his
2nd wife, in Mecklenburg Co on 9 April 1802.

Cheers,
Barbara		02/12/2007 6:30:05
Re: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Heritage Book availabilityThanks Libbee for your input.
Judy
>
> From: "ELIZABETH MORRIS"
> Date: 2007/02/11 Sun PM 04:41:42 EST
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Heritage Book availability
>
> I received my book and it is very much information in it about the area and
> the people from there. I actually submitted a lot of the articles and still
> found the book worth it for the many pictures and the work that was put into
> this book. I have several from other counties and this is the best one I
> have purchased. Libbee Morris
>
>
> >From: Barbara Neal
> >Reply-To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> >To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Heritage Book availability
> >Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:42:08 -0700
> >
> >Maynard & Judy,
> >I can't speak completely to the question re whether the book has
> >anything you don't already know since I haven't read anything but the
> >articles submitted by me, BPW, & Sarah of our List. There is one other
> >"Poythress" article about James Leta Smiley Poythress, submitted by
> >Linda M. Roberts of Brodnax, VA, which doesn't mention any dates earlier
> >than 1851. Thus if all you're interested in is Poythress articles, you
> >probably would not find anything new. If, however, you want to look for
> >clues from other surnames' articles, or read more about the county, be
> >assured there are 300+ pages in the book.
> >Barbara
> >
> >
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit 1824-084Lyn BairdBarbara, this is such a significant find. As a descendant of Thomas M.
Poythress, you are giving me a whole new maternal line to explore. Yea!
Congratulations and thanks!

Could I ask that you provide us the transcription of the segment of material
that specifically cites the relationship between mother Rebecca DORTCH
Taylor and daughter Rebecca B. TAYLOR Poythress? Perhaps you have already
done this and I just missed it. (I've been speed reading everything with
excitement.)

-Lyn


-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Barbara Neal
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 12:37 AM
To: Poythress List
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit 1824-084

I received the photocopies from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit 1824-084,
Rebecca Taylor vs Adms David Dortch the Younger.

It contains a number of documents & it would be lengthy to transcribe all of
it. It includes a copy of the Will of the elder David Dortch whose will is
very adequately abstracted in Katherine B. Elliott's book, "Early Wills
1765-1799, Mecklenburg County, Virginia."

Helpful tidbits learned for our purposes of learning more about Lewis
Poythress whose 2nd wife was a Rebecca Taylor are these tidbits:

(1) the plaintiff, Rebecca Taylor, was born Rebecca Dortch, daughter of
David Dortch (the elder); she also had a brother named David Dortch (the
younger) who was Executor of their father's estate

(2) plaintiff Rebecca had married David Taylor

(3) David & Rebecca Taylor lived on land that belonged to Henry Walker

(4) David & Rebecca Taylor lived in "(financially embarrassing
circumstances" -- even extreme poverty; husband David Taylor died much
earlier, leaving his wife & children in great financial difficulty

(5) David & Rebecca Taylor had a daughter (Rebecca) who married Lewis
Poythress!! This particular tidbit comes from a "copy" of a document from
another chancery case, one of the several Mecklenburg chancery cases of
Dortch vs Dortch. I've now ordered more documents to see if I can find this
case, in which apparently testimony/deposition was taken mentioning Lewis
Poythress.

The tidbit #3 above is one I find quite interesting. We know from
Mecklenburg marriage records that in July of 1846 there were two Poythress
marriages listed:
Lewis Y Poythress & Mary C Ferguson, 20 July 1846, bondsman William A
Dortch
Lewis Poythress & Martha E Walker, July 1846, Minister James McAden.

I've long been puzzled by the latter marriage, and wondered even if it
could've been a mistake, since we know from the Deed signed 14 Sep 1845 by
Lewis Poythress that Lewis transferred to Lewis Y. Poythress and Thomas
Poythress, "my two youngest sons", 140 acres of land, and listed personal
property including stock and furniture for "my natural estimation and love"
and in consideration of the sum of one dollar, upon the condition that said
sons "do bond themselves to keep me . . . and my wife Rebecca Poythress free
from want the remainder of our lives. . ."
which deed was signed on 14 Sep 1845 and recorded on 18 Oct 1845, Deed Book
31, p.605.

We've long known that Lewis was dead by 12 July 1848, and it just has been
difficult to believe he married again. We know he was dead by July 1848,
from Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 32, pp.537-538, son Lewis Y executed a
Deed of Trust showing he was indebted to David Poythress, and pledging the
"tract of land whereon the sd Poythress now resides containing 100 acres
more or less together with his interest in one youke of oxen (being the land
&c conveyed by Lewis Poythress decd to sd L.Y. & Thomas Poythress) lying &
being..."

NOW we can see that Lewis' mother-in-law, Rebecca (nee Dortch) Taylor had
lived on land belonging to a Walker. Thus if Lewis' 2nd wife Rebecca (nee
Taylor) Poythress indeed died between 14 Sep 1845 and July of 1846, it makes
a bit more sense to me that Lewis (quite late in life) married a 3rd time,
to Martha E Walker, in the same month Lewis' son Lewis Y was marrying. This
could've been to "legitimize" Martha living in Lewis'
household to help care for him in his last couple of years -- perhaps she
had even been there for a while helping care for Lewis' 2nd wife Rebecca
before she died. (That same type of thing happened in the latter half of the
1800s in my maternal line, in Texas, and has made me realize how easy it
could have happened.)

Barbara


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Re: [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress & James E Poythress in a Taylor document, Mecklenburg Co, VALyn BairdBarbara, of course this find is even more exciting now that we know that the
decedent is the mother-in-law of Lewis Poythress.

However, I am also fascinated by the presence of James E. Poythress here.
As you state, finally we have James E. Poythress and Lewis Poythress in the
same document!

(In case it becomes of interest in putting together puzzle parts, I can
gladly provide the location of Lombardy Grove.)


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Barbara Neal
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:51 PM
To: Poythress List
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress & James E Poythress in a Taylor
document, Mecklenburg Co, VA

Y'all may recall that Lewis Poythress (who lived from about 1771 to about
1846 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia) married first Elizabeth Giles (Dec
1792) and second Rebecca B. Taylor (April 1802). From the second marriage
we've long hypothesized came James E Poythress (who was born 13 Aug 1803,
per his family's record). I confess that I even listed James E as Lewis' son
in my article submitted to The Heritage Book of Mecklenburg County, Virginia
1765-1006, because at the time I was typing up my article I thought we had
indeed confirmed that relationship earlier.

A possible identification of this Rebecca B. Taylor comes from noting that
there was a marriage in May 1778 in Mecklenburg Co, VA between Rebecca
Dortch and David Taylor. Thus two possibilities for the identification of
Lewis' wife include being
(1) the widow of David Taylor, or
(2) a daughter born of Rebecca Dortch & David Taylor among other
possibilities.

I've recently been going thru many Dortch and Taylor estate entries in the
microfilms of early Mecklenburg County Will Books. The filming was done in
the 1940s, and the quality of the lighting on each page makes this VERY
difficult. The middle of each page is bleached almost white, while the tops
and bottoms of each page are unlit & almost black. Thus even a photocopy
made from microfilm is almost completely illegible; copies of the copy are
impossible to make readable.

While I haven't finished studying or copying all the available Dortch &
Taylor estate entries in these estate books, I am thrilled to have found the
names of both Lewis Poythress and James E Poythress within just a few lines
on ONE record, and it's a record regarding a Rebecca Taylor to boot! This is
the first "original" document of any type where I've seen Lewis and James E
both mentioned in the same document.

This document prompted me to order from the Library of Virginia copies of
the contents of the Mecklenburg County, VA Chancery Court record in case #
1824-084, the case of Rebecca Taylor vs Adms David Dortch the Younger, which
Julie, you formerly mentioned to us. I look forward to the Library's copies
of this document, which may enlighten us further regarding the judgment
shown below as paid to Lewis Poytress (sic) and the witness fee paid to
James E Poytress (sic). It seems logical to me that careful study of all
this will confirm the hypothesis that James E was a son of Lewis.

This document is in Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 10, beginning on the top of
p.305, and extending three-quarters of the way down that page. It is an
accounting of "The Estate of Rebecca Taylor, In act. with Edmond Taylor,
admr" (administrator). This is just a listing of debits and credits to her
estate, during a period of 1823-1825. Though the "Lombardy Grove" paragraph
mentions "inventory" I haven't yet found one for her estate.

The accounting reads as shown below. The amounts are in one column on the
right, though here they will not be clearly in one column. The amounts have
a slight space, rather than a decimal point, in them; I'm using decimals
here for clarity of spacing of the numerals. At the bottom line of the first
portion, the "180.36" on Edmond Taylor's line is shown precisely under the
column of the amounts above that line, and the number further to the right
is a total of that 180.36 plus the amounts above it. Then in the lower,
Credits, portion the "28.00" is shown precisely in the column, with the
balancing "399.07" shown further to the right, under the same amount from
the top portion.

The word "To" is dittoed for many lines, but I'm typing it each time for
clarity. The 1st line's day of the month appears to be the 14th, so that's
the date I'm typing. The 2nd of the 2 lines regarding Alicia Thomas is
dittoed all across that line, from the date to the right side where the
amount is written out; I'm retyping the full line for clarity here. The
month of March is dittoed for lines 3 thru 5, but for clarity I'm typing
"Mar" here. The 5th line dittoes everything but "2nd" and James' name, but
for clarity I'm typing out the words dittoed from Alicia's lines. The next
line after James' entry could be 1823 or 1825; here I'll use 1823 and ditto
that difficult-to-read year that begins the next line, for as many lines as
the original has ditto marks. All the parentheses are mine. I've put
question marks where I'm not sure I've read the name/initial correctly or
where I cannot read part of the name after Baskervill for the 28 Nov line.

If anyone wishes to examine this document on microfilm, Will Book 10 is on
Film # 32,521 available from Family History Centers everywhere. It is no
doubt also available at the Library of Virginia.

Transcribed 8 Feb 2007 by Barbara Poythress Neal from Mecklenburg Co, VA
Will Book 10, p.305:
The Estate of Rebecca Taylor, In act. with Edmond Taylor, admr
1824 14th May To amt bond & Int. due one individually 103.66
1825 3d Mar To Lewis Poytress for Judgment 5.95
1st Mar To amt paid Alicia Thomas for attendance as witness 4.77
1st Mar To amt paid Alicia Thomas for attendance as witness .53
2nd Mar To James E Poytress for attendance as witness 4.73
1823 28 Nov paid Charles Baskervill & Bro??? per acct 68.77
" 17 May paid Wm G(?) Taylor to pay Isham Cleaton per acct 1.75
" 17 May paid Thomas Suggett for crying property at sale 5.00
" Augt Cash paid two Lawyers Fee to Lockett(?) 5.00
Commissions allowed on $371.37 basis(?)
amt sales of the Estate at 5% Cch(?) 18.55
amt now due by Edmond Taylor 180.36 399.07

Cr (credits)
1823 May 16th By acct Sales made this day 371.07
17 " cash received for Tobacco 28.00 399.07

Lombardy Grove March 3rd 1825
We the commissioners appointed by the deceased Orator have proceeded to
examine State & settle the act. of Edmond Taylor & inventory of Rebecca
Taylor and find after making an allowance of five perCent on the amt.
sales of Three Hundred Seventy one dollars and seven cents, a balance due
the Estate from the above Edmond Taylor of One Hundred eighty Dollars and
thirty six cents.
(signed) William D(?) Baskervill
Jas. Taylor
Geo. D. Baskervill

At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 16th day of May 1825
This account current of Edmond Taylor administrator of Rebecca Taylor
Dec'd was returned to Court by Commissioners appointed to settle the same.
-- And at a Court held for our said County on the 18th day of July
1825 The same having been returned two months and no exceptions taken
thereto, was confirmed, and ordered to be recorded.
Teste Edw G Tabb, cl (clerk)


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[POYTHRESS] Lombardy Grove locationBarbara NealYes, Lyn, I'd appreciate getting the location of Lombardy Grove. If I've
known it, it's eluding me now as I go thru this stuff.
BPN



02/13/2007 3:57:07
[POYTHRESS] Transcribed info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit 1824-084Barbara NealLyn asked: "Could I ask that you provide us the transcription of the
segment of material that specifically cites the relationship between
mother Rebecca DORTCH Taylor and daughter Rebecca B. TAYLOR Poythress?"

OK. First I'll note, by the way, that John Vogt notes in his volume of
Mecklenburg marriage records, that David Taylor married Rebecca Dortch
on 9 May 1778, with the notation that she was daughter of David Dortch,
and that the bondsman was William Taylor.

The specific info Lyn asked about appears in one particular document
filed as a "Copy" from an earlier case into this Mecklenburg Co, VA
Chancery suit 1824-084 Rebecca Taylor vs Adms David Dortch the Younger
covers this best. However I'll also transcribe here even more of the
documents -- enough to give you the gist of the case and to enable you
to see our other familiar names that crop up. I'll put double lines
========= between documents transcribed here.

There are a lot more documents that I'm NOT transcribings, including a
lengthy response by the Baskervills, and depositions of various people
including
- Wilson Walker (who owned the land on which David Taylor and
his wife Rebecca Dortch lived);
- Newman Dortch;
- Williamson Rainey;
- Buckner Rainey; &
- John Taylor.

No relationship is stated for John Taylor, but in his deposition on 1
Oct 1824 he testified that he was acquainted with David Taylor's
precarious circumstances in the latter part of his life & that the
general report was that David Taylor died insolvent, leaving his wife in
a destitute situation, and that he understood from both Mrs. Taylor and
Major Dortch [David Dortch the younger] that Major David Dortch was in
the habit of assisting her. Depositions did NOT include any Poythress.

Those depositions were ordered to be taken between nine in the morning
and sunset on Friday the first day of October 1824, by an order issued
22 Sep 1824, at which time plaintiff Rebecca (nee Dortch) Taylor was
already deceased, and Edmund Taylor was by then her administrator.

All who were deposed testified that yes, Rebecca Taylor widow of David
Taylor was left in financial need, but that David Dortch the Younger
helped her out in numerous ways; that David Dortch the younger & Rebecca
the plaintiff lived close to one another so she could well have asked
him for it if she had not been paid her legacy under her father's will,
and a couple of them said that before she died she had commented that
she had never gotten her legacy but that because David the Younger was
good to her she didn't want to make waves -- my wording, not theirs. I
just have a hunch that Edmund Taylor, who served as her administrator,
was her son & may have been the one prompting her to file the suit.

[Comments in square brackets in the below transcriptions are mine,
Barbara Poythress Neal. Note, I'm not putting "sic" by all the odd
spellings in these documents.]

[First logically is the undated Complaint (filed certainly prior to 27
February 1822, and possibly earlier) by plaintiff Rebecca Taylor,
earlier Rebecca Dortch, is in tatters and is very hard to read. The
first 2 photocopies are the front & back of one half of a roughly
11"x17" sheet; the 3rd & 4th photocopies are the front & back of the
other half of that sheet. Apparently Rebecca did not file her suit
until after the death of David Dortch the younger, since she named the
Baskervills as his administrators.]
[Photocopy 1, front:]
To the Worshipful [torn] of Mecklenburg County in Chancery sitting
Humbly complaining shewith unto your Worships Your Oratrix Rececca
Taylor, formerly Rebecca Dortch that David Dortch the Elder departed
this life on the day [blank] first having made and published his last
will and testament now of record in this court a copy of which is
herewith filed and prayed to be taken as a pa[rt] of this bill, that
among other devises the sd will [torn] to your Complt, his daughter,
fifty pounds Virginia money [torn] a certain David Dortch the younger
son of David Dortch the Elder qualified as the sole Exor of his father
and possessed himself of his estate that the sd David the Younger, not
having paid your Complt her debt aforesd or her husband David Taylor in
his lifetime, also departed this life on the [blank] day of [blank] on
whose [torn]tate Charles Baskervill and George Baskerville [torn] out
letters of Administration and took possession as well of his goods and
chattels as of the assets of the sd David the Elder then in the hands of
the sd David the Younger unadministered - Your Complt begs leave further
to state that there was a residuary surplus of the sd David Dortch's
estate amounting [Note: this is bottom of page]
[Photocopy 2, back of above. Note: the first half of the top line of
this is mainly worn/torn away, though apparently refers to the same
amount listed in the below 1802 document transcribed below, £30-12-8
which was Jesse Dortch's one twelfth part. The 2nd half of top line reads:]
Complts part [torn]ounts
[2nd line:]
to £30-12-8 being one twelfth, with interest from the 30th of March
1792. Your Complt avers that she never had recieved any part of either
of the aforesd sums, nor does she believe her late husband David Taylor
did in his lifetime. Your Complt being poor and needy as well as her
children by David Taylor and as the sd legacies [spelling was corrected
from "legacyes"] were never recovered or reduced to possession by the sd
David Taylor in his life time she concieves that she alone is entitled
to the same but so it is may it please your Worships, as she is without
relief at Law and as she has in vain demanded payment of the sd Charles
& George Baskervill Admrs of David the Younger who are prayed to be made
Dfts to this bill and compelled to answer the same on oath and can only
hope for redress in a court of Chancery, to the end therefore that
complete justice may be done in the premises[?] - Your Worships will be
[illegible] on the coming in of the Dfts answers, order and decree, that
the sd Dfts pay to your Complt the sd sum of £50 with interest from the
13th day of May 1782 the day on which the will of David the Elder was
proved and also the further sum of £30-12-8 with interest from the 30th
day of March 1792 which is the sum
[Photocopy 3, other side of above large sheet:]
Jesse Dortch one of [torn] County [torn] hath
recovered by a decree of this Court [torn] date the 9th day of Novr for
his share of his fathers estate then 1802 which is also prayed to be
taken as a part of this bill unadministered in the hands of David the sd
Exor and grant to your Complt all such other and further relief which
justice may require and she will ever pray &c
[signed] Lockett Esq
[4th photocopy is outside label, after original sheet was folded:]
251
Bill:
Taylor
vs
Dortch's Admrs
spoe issd to Mch Ct 1822 [subpoena issued to appear at March Court 1822]
--
1824 June [illegible]
--
July served[?] in name of Edmd Taylor adm of plf [administrator of
plaintiff: thus Rebecca Taylor the original plaintiff had died, and the
Administrator of her estate was Edmund Taylor]
---
1824 De[?] Bill dism[?] on hearing with Cost
---
[Here is a totalling up of several numbers in a column; I'm adding a
decimal point for clarity;]
defts Cost .40
C 2.08
atto 5.00 [apparently attorney's fees]
[total:] 7.48
Fefa To Feby 182_[last digit of year is torn away]

==========

[This next document most clearly spells out the relationship between
plaintiff Rebecca (nee Dortch) Taylor and Lewis Poythress, but that
relationship is only on the back of the document in tiny writing. This
entire document was copied from another case filed by Jesse Dortch
against David Dortch Executor of David Dortch dec'd, as mentioned in
plaintiff's Complaint. Front of document:]
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 9th day of November 1802
Jesse Dortch, plt
In Chancery
against
David Dortch, exr &c of David Dortch dec'd Deft
This day this cause came on to be herd, upon the bill answer and
exhibit and the arguments of council on both sides, on consideration
whereof it is decreed and ordered that the Defendant out of the assets
belonging to the estate of the decedent in his hands unadministered do
pay to the plaintiff, thirty pounds twelve shillings and eight pence
with interest thereon to be computed after the rate of five per cent pr
annum from the thirtyeth of March 1792 till payment, being one twelfth
part of the residue of the proceds of the sale of the property the said
decedent died possessed (of which no bequeast was made) and that the
plaintiff recover the cost of this suit.
Cost
Clerk 14.91
Sheriff .84
Atto &c 5.00
[total] $20.75
C Copy William Tabb DD
[Back side has the following written sideways along one side. I suspect
it was written there to explain why Lewis Poythress' name is included in
the label portion on back, shown below:]
Rebecca Dortch the Legatee married David Taylor; he died & she has never
received her legacy of £50. David Taylor at testators sale purchased
property and executed his bond which is now in the Executors hands, &
never taken in -- Lewis Poythress married Mrs. Taylors daughter.
[Back side, label portion:]
(copy)
Dortch
In Chy vs
Dortches exor &c
Examine this case
for Mr. Lewis Poythress
---
Rebecca Taylor
Plt -- vs
Baskervill
spa In Chy to
August 1821

==========

[Full copy of David Dortch's Will, signed 12 Nov 1780 & proved 13 May
1782, listing his 12 children as well as his wife Lucy. I find it odd
that several got legacies of "lawful" money, and daughter Rebecca got
"Virginia" money:]
In the Name of God Amen, I David Dortch of Mecklenburg County being in
sound mind and memory do make and Ordain this my last Will Testament
hereby revoking and disannulling all former Wills and Testaments before
by me --- First, I lend to my wife Lucy Dortch during her life or
widowhood five negroes Viz Samson, George, Jenny, Moses, and Phillis,
and all the household furniture that she now has in possession, also
four Cows and Calves, Six head of Sheep, one Sorrel Mare, and four sows
and pigs, and after her death or marriage it is my will that the above
mentioned five negroes, Stock and furniture be sold and the money
arising from the Sale be equally divided between William Dortch, John
Dortch, Jesse Dortch, Young Dortch, Lewis Dortch, and Newman Dortch. I
give to my son Noah Dortch, fifty pounds lawful money. I give to my son
David Dortch three negroes Viz Fred, Nancy, and Ned to him and his heirs
forever. I give to my son Abel Dortch three Negroes, Viz Peter, Cloe,
and Harry to him and his heirs forever. It is also my will and desire
that my mill and all the land I now own be equally divided between my
two sons David Dortch, and Abel Dortch, allowing my wife Lucy the
plantation she now lives on during her life or widowhood. I give to my
daughter Hillica Dortch fifty pounds lawful money. I give to daughter
Rebecca Dortch fifty pounds of Virginia money. I give to my daughter
Lucy Dortch two negroes, to wit, Little Samson, and Lizzy, likewise
fifty pounds to her and her heirs forever, and I do hereby constitute
and appoint my two sons Noah Dortch and David Dortch, Executors of this
my last Will and Testament. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my
hand and affixed my seal this twelfth day of November one thousand Seven
hundred and Eighty.
David his + mark Dortch S[short for Seal? or Senior?]
Signed and Sealed in the presence of
James Small
Thos his + mark Matthews
Lewis Sawyer
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 13th day of May 1782 - This
Will was proved by the Oaths of James Small and Thomas Matthews
Witnesses thereto and Ordered to be recorded, and on the motion of David
Dortch the surviving Executor therein named who made Oath thereto and
together with William Starling and Richard H[essin?] his Security
entered into and acknowledged their bond in the penalty of five thousand
pounds Specie Conditioned as the law directs, Certificate was granted
him for Obtaining a probate of the said Will in due form.
Teste - John Brown, Clerk
A Copy Teste Joel Watkins D.C.M.C.C.
[labelled on the folded portion:]
A Copy of David Dortch's Will

==========

Later, in Newman Dortch's lengthy deposition on 1 Oct 1824, he refers to
those who got portions under the Will of the elder David Dortch -- thus
the children, as including the names as follows -- thus the 3 daughters'
married names: Rebecca Taylor, Hillica Moss, Lucy Rylands. We can see
from the Account of Sale of the elder David Dortch's estate that
Hillica's husband was likely Nathaniel Moss, a small purchaser, and that
apparently daughter Lucy was not yet married at the time of the Sale,
since there is one line for sales to "Lucy Dortch, widow" and several
purchasers later, another line for sales to "Lucy Dortch" who is not
designated as widow.

==========

[Account of Sale of David Dortch the Elder's estate. I'm including this
because Rebecca Dortch's husband David Taylor was a big purchaser, and
according to the defendants & according to the court notation on the
back of the above copy of the 1802 document, David Taylor never paid on
his bond issued for the payment. This is a lengthy Account of Sale of
the Estate of David Dortch dec'd the 19th day of December 1782, NOT
transcribed in full here, though I will list below all the people buying
items, and the total amount of each buyer's purchases, which were
apparently in pounds, shillings & pence. I'm adding "0" in the pence
column for clarity, since columns won't show properly here:]
Abel Dortch 91-17-0
Benjamin Ferguson 6-15-0
Philip Harris 9-17-6
William Starling 8-3-6
Walter Poole 5-2-0
William Baskervill 4-13-6
James B. Daws[? or Davis?] 6-2-0
Thomas Ship[?] 5-13-0
David Taylor 89-18-6 [David's purchases were:
4 Cows & Yearlings
1 Mare
10 Head Hogs
10 Head Sheep
1 Hand Saw &c
2 Grubing Hoes
A parcel of Tools
4 Cow hides
12 1/2 Barrels of Corn
3 Pitchers
1 Looking Glass
1 Spinning wheel
1 Pot and Tin Ware
6 Head Hogs
1 lock and Flatt Iron
Richard Fox 13-2-6
Doctor William Hessborne[?] 5-0-0
James Bilbo 8-10-0
Frederick Colliers 7-5-0
Howard Bailey 8-5-0
Nathaniel Moss 2-5-6
William Laws 8-8-8
Lucy Dortch, Widow 1-10-0
David Dortch 77-3-0
Lucy Dortch 21-0-0
Philip Morgan 4-10-0
John Cleaton 15-0-0
[Totalled to:] 409-19-6
[Signed:] David Dortch Exor
This account of Sales was returned into Mecklenburg County Court the 8th
day of March 1784 and Ordered to be recorded.
Teste John Brown Cl Crt
A Copy Teste Edw L Tabb CC

==========

[Bond signed 19 Apr 1783, thus we know Rebecca's husband David Taylor
was still alive then:]
Know all men by these presents that we David Taylor & Jones Taylor are
held and firmly bound unto David Dortch Executor of David Dortch decd in
the full and Just sum of one hundred and eighty pounds to be paid unto
the said Executor his certain attorney his heirs Executors administrator
or assigns To which payment wil and duly to be maid, we bond our
Selves Jointly and Sevrally our Joint and Several heirs Executors and
administrators firmly by these presents Sealed with our Seals and Dated
this 19 Day of April 1783 in the Eight year of the Commonth.
The Conditions of the above obligations is such that if the above bound
David Taylor & Jones Taylor do and shall will and Truly pay or Cause to
be paid unto said David Dortch Executors his heirs attorney heirs
Executors administrators or assigns the Just sum of ninety pound on or
before the 19 Day of December 1783 with Interest from the date if not
punctually paid Then the above obligation to be void or Else to Remain
In full force and virtue.
[Signed] David Taylor, Seald
[Signed] Jones Taylor, Seald
Sealed and Delivered
In presents of
Williamson Rainey
Buckner Rainey
[Back side labelled:]
Bond
Taylor
To
Dortch
£90 payable
December 19, 1783

==========

[There are two different handwritten copies of a 27 Feb 1822 document
directing the subpoena-ing of certain witnesses. I'm including this
because of the name of the Sheriff, William Taylor. The front of the
document reads:]
The Commonwealth of Virginia, to the sheriff of Mecklenburg County
Greeting. You are hereby commanded to Summon Charles Baskervill &
George D Baskervill, admrs [administrators] of David Dortch dec'd [Note:
2nd copy document leaves out the "dec'd"] the younger who was Exr
[Executor] of Dortch the Elder, to appear before the Justices of our
County Court of Mecklenburg at the Courthouse thereof on the 3rd [Note:
2nd copy spells out "third"] Monday in March next, to answer a Bill in
Chancery Exhibited against them by [Note: on first copy "Richard" was
first written & marked out, with the corrected first name of "Rebecca"
written above it; the 2nd copy has her name without any correction]
Rebecca Taylor, formerly Rebecca Dortch, and this they shall in no wise
omit under the Penalty of £100. And have then there this Writ. Witness
Edward L Tabb Clerk of our said Court this 27th day of February
[abbreviated "Feby" on 2nd copy] 1822 in the 46th year of the Commonwealth.
[signed] Edw L Tabb
[And the back is labelled:]
Taylor
Spa [subpoena] chy [chancery]
Dortch's admrs
[And the back of the 2nd copy shows immediately below that case title:]
To March CC 1822
[And the back of the 2nd copy also shows the return by the Sheriff's
deputy:]
1822 March 6th Executed on Charles Baskervill & the 16th Inst George D
Baskervill not found & a copy left by
returned by
Saul H Jones deputy
of Wm Taylor shff [Sheriff]		02/13/2007 8:24:26
Re: [POYTHRESS] Transcribed info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit 1824-084Lyn BairdThank you, Barbara. I've read it through and want to do so again and think
about it. I may have some questions. Thanks again!


-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Barbara Neal
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:24 AM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Transcribed info from Mecklenburg Co,VA Chancery suit
1824-084

Lyn asked: "Could I ask that you provide us the transcription of the segment
of material that specifically cites the relationship between mother Rebecca
DORTCH Taylor and daughter Rebecca B. TAYLOR Poythress?"

OK. First I'll note, by the way, that John Vogt notes in his volume of
Mecklenburg marriage records, that David Taylor married Rebecca Dortch on 9
May 1778, with the notation that she was daughter of David Dortch, and that
the bondsman was William Taylor.

The specific info Lyn asked about appears in one particular document filed
as a "Copy" from an earlier case into this Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit
1824-084 Rebecca Taylor vs Adms David Dortch the Younger covers this best.
However I'll also transcribe here even more of the documents -- enough to
give you the gist of the case and to enable you to see our other familiar
names that crop up. I'll put double lines ========= between documents
transcribed here.

There are a lot more documents that I'm NOT transcribings, including a
lengthy response by the Baskervills, and depositions of various people
including
- Wilson Walker (who owned the land on which David Taylor and his wife
Rebecca Dortch lived);
- Newman Dortch;
- Williamson Rainey;
- Buckner Rainey; &
- John Taylor.

No relationship is stated for John Taylor, but in his deposition on 1 Oct
1824 he testified that he was acquainted with David Taylor's precarious
circumstances in the latter part of his life & that the general report was
that David Taylor died insolvent, leaving his wife in a destitute situation,
and that he understood from both Mrs. Taylor and Major Dortch [David Dortch
the younger] that Major David Dortch was in the habit of assisting her.
Depositions did NOT include any Poythress.

Those depositions were ordered to be taken between nine in the morning and
sunset on Friday the first day of October 1824, by an order issued
22 Sep 1824, at which time plaintiff Rebecca (nee Dortch) Taylor was already
deceased, and Edmund Taylor was by then her administrator.

All who were deposed testified that yes, Rebecca Taylor widow of David
Taylor was left in financial need, but that David Dortch the Younger helped
her out in numerous ways; that David Dortch the younger & Rebecca the
plaintiff lived close to one another so she could well have asked him for it
if she had not been paid her legacy under her father's will, and a couple of
them said that before she died she had commented that she had never gotten
her legacy but that because David the Younger was good to her she didn't
want to make waves -- my wording, not theirs. I just have a hunch that
Edmund Taylor, who served as her administrator, was her son & may have been
the one prompting her to file the suit.

[Comments in square brackets in the below transcriptions are mine, Barbara
Poythress Neal. Note, I'm not putting "sic" by all the odd spellings in
these documents.]

[First logically is the undated Complaint (filed certainly prior to 27
February 1822, and possibly earlier) by plaintiff Rebecca Taylor, earlier
Rebecca Dortch, is in tatters and is very hard to read. The first 2
photocopies are the front & back of one half of a roughly 11"x17" sheet; the
3rd & 4th photocopies are the front & back of the other half of that sheet.
Apparently Rebecca did not file her suit until after the death of David
Dortch the younger, since she named the Baskervills as his administrators.]
[Photocopy 1, front:] To the Worshipful [torn] of Mecklenburg County in
Chancery sitting Humbly complaining shewith unto your Worships Your Oratrix
Rececca Taylor, formerly Rebecca Dortch that David Dortch the Elder departed
this life on the day [blank] first having made and published his last will
and testament now of record in this court a copy of which is herewith filed
and prayed to be taken as a pa[rt] of this bill, that among other devises
the sd will [torn] to your Complt, his daughter, fifty pounds Virginia money
[torn] a certain David Dortch the younger son of David Dortch the Elder
qualified as the sole Exor of his father and possessed himself of his estate
that the sd David the Younger, not having paid your Complt her debt aforesd
or her husband David Taylor in his lifetime, also departed this life on the
[blank] day of [blank] on whose [torn]tate Charles Baskervill and George
Baskerville [torn] out letters of Administration and took possession as well
of his goods and chattels as of the assets of the sd David the Elder then in
the hands of the sd David the Younger unadministered - Your Complt begs
leave further to state that there was a residuary surplus of the sd David
Dortch's estate amounting [Note: this is bottom of page]
[Photocopy 2, back of above. Note: the first half of the top line of
this is mainly worn/torn away, though apparently refers to the same amount
listed in the below 1802 document transcribed below, £30-12-8 which was
Jesse Dortch's one twelfth part. The 2nd half of top line reads:] Complts
part [torn]ounts [2nd line:] to £30-12-8 being one twelfth, with interest
from the 30th of March 1792. Your Complt avers that she never had recieved
any part of either of the aforesd sums, nor does she believe her late
husband David Taylor did in his lifetime. Your Complt being poor and needy
as well as her children by David Taylor and as the sd legacies [spelling was
corrected from "legacyes"] were never recovered or reduced to possession by
the sd David Taylor in his life time she concieves that she alone is
entitled to the same but so it is may it please your Worships, as she is
without relief at Law and as she has in vain demanded payment of the sd
Charles & George Baskervill Admrs of David the Younger who are prayed to be
made Dfts to this bill and compelled to answer the same on oath and can only
hope for redress in a court of Chancery, to the end therefore that complete
justice may be done in the premises[?] - Your Worships will be [illegible]
on the coming in of the Dfts answers, order and decree, that the sd Dfts pay
to your Complt the sd sum of £50 with interest from the 13th day of May 1782
the day on which the will of David the Elder was proved and also the further
sum of £30-12-8 with interest from the 30th day of March 1792 which is the
sum
[Photocopy 3, other side of above large sheet:] Jesse Dortch one of
[torn] County [torn] hath recovered by a decree of this Court [torn] date
the 9th day of Novr for his share of his fathers estate then 1802 which is
also prayed to be taken as a part of this bill unadministered in the hands
of David the sd Exor and grant to your Complt all such other and further
relief which justice may require and she will ever pray &c [signed] Lockett
Esq
[4th photocopy is outside label, after original sheet was folded:]
251
Bill:
Taylor
vs
Dortch's Admrs
spoe issd to Mch Ct 1822 [subpoena issued to appear at March Court 1822]
--
1824 June [illegible]
--
July served[?] in name of Edmd Taylor adm of plf [administrator of
plaintiff: thus Rebecca Taylor the original plaintiff had died, and the
Administrator of her estate was Edmund Taylor]
---
1824 De[?] Bill dism[?] on hearing with Cost
---
[Here is a totalling up of several numbers in a column; I'm adding a decimal
point for clarity;]
defts Cost .40
C 2.08
atto 5.00 [apparently attorney's fees]
[total:] 7.48
Fefa To Feby 182_[last digit of year is torn away]

==========

[This next document most clearly spells out the relationship between
plaintiff Rebecca (nee Dortch) Taylor and Lewis Poythress, but that
relationship is only on the back of the document in tiny writing. This
entire document was copied from another case filed by Jesse Dortch against
David Dortch Executor of David Dortch dec'd, as mentioned in plaintiff's
Complaint. Front of document:] At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the
9th day of November 1802 Jesse Dortch, plt In Chancery against David Dortch,
exr &c of David Dortch dec'd Deft
This day this cause came on to be herd, upon the bill answer and exhibit
and the arguments of council on both sides, on consideration whereof it is
decreed and ordered that the Defendant out of the assets belonging to the
estate of the decedent in his hands unadministered do pay to the plaintiff,
thirty pounds twelve shillings and eight pence with interest thereon to be
computed after the rate of five per cent pr annum from the thirtyeth of
March 1792 till payment, being one twelfth part of the residue of the
proceds of the sale of the property the said decedent died possessed (of
which no bequeast was made) and that the plaintiff recover the cost of this
suit.
Cost
Clerk 14.91
Sheriff .84
Atto &c 5.00
[total] $20.75
C Copy William Tabb DD
[Back side has the following written sideways along one side. I suspect it
was written there to explain why Lewis Poythress' name is included in the
label portion on back, shown below:] Rebecca Dortch the Legatee married
David Taylor; he died & she has never received her legacy of £50. David
Taylor at testators sale purchased property and executed his bond which is
now in the Executors hands, & never taken in -- Lewis Poythress married Mrs.
Taylors daughter.
[Back side, label portion:]
(copy)
Dortch
In Chy vs
Dortches exor &c
Examine this case
for Mr. Lewis Poythress
---
Rebecca Taylor
Plt -- vs
Baskervill
spa In Chy to
August 1821

==========

[Full copy of David Dortch's Will, signed 12 Nov 1780 & proved 13 May 1782,
listing his 12 children as well as his wife Lucy. I find it odd that several
got legacies of "lawful" money, and daughter Rebecca got "Virginia" money:]
In the Name of God Amen, I David Dortch of Mecklenburg County being in sound
mind and memory do make and Ordain this my last Will Testament hereby
revoking and disannulling all former Wills and Testaments before by me ---
First, I lend to my wife Lucy Dortch during her life or widowhood five
negroes Viz Samson, George, Jenny, Moses, and Phillis, and all the household
furniture that she now has in possession, also four Cows and Calves, Six
head of Sheep, one Sorrel Mare, and four sows and pigs, and after her death
or marriage it is my will that the above mentioned five negroes, Stock and
furniture be sold and the money arising from the Sale be equally divided
between William Dortch, John Dortch, Jesse Dortch, Young Dortch, Lewis
Dortch, and Newman Dortch. I give to my son Noah Dortch, fifty pounds lawful
money. I give to my son David Dortch three negroes Viz Fred, Nancy, and Ned
to him and his heirs forever. I give to my son Abel Dortch three Negroes,
Viz Peter, Cloe, and Harry to him and his heirs forever. It is also my will
and desire that my mill and all the land I now own be equally divided
between my two sons David Dortch, and Abel Dortch, allowing my wife Lucy the
plantation she now lives on during her life or widowhood. I give to my
daughter Hillica Dortch fifty pounds lawful money. I give to daughter
Rebecca Dortch fifty pounds of Virginia money. I give to my daughter Lucy
Dortch two negroes, to wit, Little Samson, and Lizzy, likewise fifty pounds
to her and her heirs forever, and I do hereby constitute and appoint my two
sons Noah Dortch and David Dortch, Executors of this my last Will and
Testament. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my
seal this twelfth day of November one thousand Seven hundred and Eighty.
David his + mark Dortch S[short for Seal? or Senior?] Signed and Sealed in
the presence of James Small Thos his + mark Matthews Lewis Sawyer At a Court
held for Mecklenburg County the 13th day of May 1782 - This Will was proved
by the Oaths of James Small and Thomas Matthews Witnesses thereto and
Ordered to be recorded, and on the motion of David Dortch the surviving
Executor therein named who made Oath thereto and together with William
Starling and Richard H[essin?] his Security entered into and acknowledged
their bond in the penalty of five thousand pounds Specie Conditioned as the
law directs, Certificate was granted him for Obtaining a probate of the said
Will in due form.
Teste - John Brown, Clerk
A Copy Teste Joel Watkins D.C.M.C.C.
[labelled on the folded portion:]
A Copy of David Dortch's Will

==========

Later, in Newman Dortch's lengthy deposition on 1 Oct 1824, he refers to
those who got portions under the Will of the elder David Dortch -- thus the
children, as including the names as follows -- thus the 3 daughters'
married names: Rebecca Taylor, Hillica Moss, Lucy Rylands. We can see from
the Account of Sale of the elder David Dortch's estate that Hillica's
husband was likely Nathaniel Moss, a small purchaser, and that apparently
daughter Lucy was not yet married at the time of the Sale, since there is
one line for sales to "Lucy Dortch, widow" and several purchasers later,
another line for sales to "Lucy Dortch" who is not designated as widow.

==========

[Account of Sale of David Dortch the Elder's estate. I'm including this
because Rebecca Dortch's husband David Taylor was a big purchaser, and
according to the defendants & according to the court notation on the back of
the above copy of the 1802 document, David Taylor never paid on his bond
issued for the payment. This is a lengthy Account of Sale of the Estate of
David Dortch dec'd the 19th day of December 1782, NOT transcribed in full
here, though I will list below all the people buying items, and the total
amount of each buyer's purchases, which were apparently in pounds, shillings
& pence. I'm adding "0" in the pence column for clarity, since columns won't
show properly here:] Abel Dortch 91-17-0 Benjamin Ferguson 6-15-0 Philip
Harris 9-17-6 William Starling 8-3-6 Walter Poole 5-2-0 William
Baskervill 4-13-6 James B. Daws[? or Davis?] 6-2-0 Thomas Ship[?] 5-13-0
David Taylor 89-18-6 [David's purchases were:
4 Cows & Yearlings
1 Mare
10 Head Hogs
10 Head Sheep
1 Hand Saw &c
2 Grubing Hoes
A parcel of Tools
4 Cow hides
12 1/2 Barrels of Corn
3 Pitchers
1 Looking Glass
1 Spinning wheel
1 Pot and Tin Ware
6 Head Hogs
1 lock and Flatt Iron
Richard Fox 13-2-6
Doctor William Hessborne[?] 5-0-0
James Bilbo 8-10-0
Frederick Colliers 7-5-0
Howard Bailey 8-5-0
Nathaniel Moss 2-5-6
William Laws 8-8-8
Lucy Dortch, Widow 1-10-0
David Dortch 77-3-0
Lucy Dortch 21-0-0
Philip Morgan 4-10-0
John Cleaton 15-0-0
[Totalled to:] 409-19-6
[Signed:] David Dortch Exor
This account of Sales was returned into Mecklenburg County Court the 8th day
of March 1784 and Ordered to be recorded.
Teste John Brown Cl Crt
A Copy Teste Edw L Tabb CC

==========

[Bond signed 19 Apr 1783, thus we know Rebecca's husband David Taylor was
still alive then:] Know all men by these presents that we David Taylor &
Jones Taylor are held and firmly bound unto David Dortch Executor of David
Dortch decd in the full and Just sum of one hundred and eighty pounds to be
paid unto the said Executor his certain attorney his heirs Executors
administrator or assigns To which payment wil and duly to be maid, we bond
our Selves Jointly and Sevrally our Joint and Several heirs Executors and
administrators firmly by these presents Sealed with our Seals and Dated this
19 Day of April 1783 in the Eight year of the Commonth.
The Conditions of the above obligations is such that if the above bound
David Taylor & Jones Taylor do and shall will and Truly pay or Cause to be
paid unto said David Dortch Executors his heirs attorney heirs Executors
administrators or assigns the Just sum of ninety pound on or before the 19
Day of December 1783 with Interest from the date if not punctually paid Then
the above obligation to be void or Else to Remain In full force and virtue.
[Signed] David Taylor, Seald
[Signed] Jones Taylor, Seald
Sealed and Delivered
In presents of
Williamson Rainey
Buckner Rainey
[Back side labelled:]
Bond
Taylor
To
Dortch
£90 payable
December 19, 1783

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[There are two different handwritten copies of a 27 Feb 1822 document
directing the subpoena-ing of certain witnesses. I'm including this because
of the name of the Sheriff, William Taylor. The front of the document
reads:]
The Commonwealth of Virginia, to the sheriff of Mecklenburg County
Greeting. You are hereby commanded to Summon Charles Baskervill & George D
Baskervill, admrs [administrators] of David Dortch dec'd [Note:
2nd copy document leaves out the "dec'd"] the younger who was Exr [Executor]
of Dortch the Elder, to appear before the Justices of our County Court of
Mecklenburg at the Courthouse thereof on the 3rd [Note:
2nd copy spells out "third"] Monday in March next, to answer a Bill in
Chancery Exhibited against them by [Note: on first copy "Richard" was first
written & marked out, with the corrected first name of "Rebecca"
written above it; the 2nd copy has her name without any correction] Rebecca
Taylor, formerly Rebecca Dortch, and this they shall in no wise omit under
the Penalty of £100. And have then there this Writ. Witness Edward L Tabb
Clerk of our said Court this 27th day of February [abbreviated "Feby" on 2nd
copy] 1822 in the 46th year of the Commonwealth.
[signed] Edw L Tabb
[And the back is labelled:]
Taylor
Spa [subpoena] chy [chancery]
Dortch's admrs
[And the back of the 2nd copy shows immediately below that case title:] To
March CC 1822 [And the back of the 2nd copy also shows the return by the
Sheriff's deputy:]
1822 March 6th Executed on Charles Baskervill & the 16th Inst George D
Baskervill not found & a copy left by returned by Saul H Jones deputy of Wm
Taylor shff [Sheriff]



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[POYTHRESS] John Lewis Poythress potential father?Barbara NealHey Sarah, since you & I talked the other day, I still haven't had time
to review the info re Edward Poythress that makes you feel Edward &
Mahaly Poythress were not the parents of John Lewis.

But I realized that we have indeed seen another potential "James" for
being a father of John Lewis, and thus one that could fit in with the
info Braxton put on that chart he prepared for that Summer 1978
Poythress Reunion, that included info he told you he had gotten from his
Aunt Alma.

On the chart, he showed John Lewis Poythress born Mecklenburg Co, Aug
29, 1829 and died Feb 27, 1905, which as you & I were noticing was
several years before his daughter Alma was born.

He also showed John Lewis' father as "James Poythress, born Mecklenburg
Co, VA 1805"

This oother James Poythress, is one who indeed we've noted was born
perhaps about 1805: He is the James P. Poythress who gets into records
down in both Screven Co, GA and in Florida.

We don't know the identity of his father, and we don't have any place of
birth for James P Poythress, but he was in a number of nearby locations
in GA & FL with George Poythress, who would likely have been kin, and
who was a brother of Lewis Poythress. We assume James P Poythress was
NOT a son of George, since we know that when George made his will 6 Apr
1829, he mentioned only his son John Carter Poythress and his daughter,
Mary Elizabeth who married (1) Addison Mandell, and (2) William
Cheeseborough, M.D.. In 1829, when George wrote his will, James P was
still very much alive.

I had guesstimated James' birthyear as 1805 based on him being a Mason
in Gadsden County, Territory of Florida, before 24 Jan 1828, when he
helped form a new Masonic chapter by moving his membership there from
Georgia.

James P also got land, a year earlier, in 1827 in Gadsden Co, FL. In
Womack's book on Gadsden County, Appendix 2, Gadsden County Original
Land Patents 1826-1830, lists "J.P. Paythness" with the land described
as E 1/2 SE 1/4 Sec 7 T2N R2W, with a date of 19 Feb 1827. Homestead
application shows purchase by James P. Poythress from the Tallahassee
Land Office, by Cash Entry Sale signed 1 June 1827, as shown on
Certificate No. 1110, where the above description is more fully filled
out as the East half of the South East quarter of Section Seven in
Township Two North of Range Two West, 78 acres and 72/100 of an acre, in
Gadsden Co, Territory of FL.

We also know that James had been a guardian in Screven Co, GA. The
little I know about the Screven Co, GA records comes from Jeannette
Holland Austin's book Georgia Intestate Records. In her book on her
p.177, is listed William Kelly, bound to James Poythress, per p.96 of
Screven OM -- and her book's table of abbreviations shows this would be
found in Screven Co, GA Minutes Court of Ordinary, Book I (1811-1829)
Index ONLY, so we can't tell from this, when that entry could have been
made in that 1811-1829 period.

Austin also lists on her p.254 William Platt, with James Poythress, gdn
(guardian) and him being released as gdn. These 2 references are again
from Screven OM, p.157 and the release on p.196. Again, since the
Screven Co, GA Minutes Court of Ordinary, Book I (1811-1829) is an Index
ONLY, we can't tell from this when these 2 entries could have been made
in that 1811-1829 period.

We don't have any specific age for James on any of these things, but
another bit of info about him comes from the 1830 Florida Territory
Census for Gadsden Co, which researcher Kathy Best prepared in 1991 (for
her client Bud Poythress). She showed the census listed him as J.P.
Poythress, and indicated he was found on p.141 of the Census, having 6
slaves and the following free white household members: 1 male age 5-10;
1 male age 10-15; 1 male age 20-30; 1 male age 30-40; 1 female under age
5; 1 female age 5-10; 1 female age 10-15; and 1 female age 15-20. Of
course which of those age groupings was him, and which were some other
free white males, remains a mystery.

Also from Womack's book on Gadsden Co, FL: the p.33 article on Early
Banking Economy discusses, in part, "The Union Bank of Florida, located
in Tallahassee, was most accessible to the Middle Florida area and based
on the same principle as the Bank of Florida. Receiving its charter from
the Legislative Council on February 13, 1833... Two months later, April
10, 1833, the commissioners met to receive subscriptions of their
capital stock. The following shares were subscribed to by various
families of Gadsden County:... [including:]
William Manner (sic; Maner) 300 Shares, 174 Shares Secured
J.P. Poythress 15 Shares; 6 Shares Secured

James was also listed in the 1840 Florida Territory Census, again for
Gadsden County, listed as James P. Poytheress (sic).

James Poythress voted in Chattahoochee, Florida in the first statewide
election in 1845. Brian E. Michaels' compilation of Florida Voters In
Their First Statewide Election May 26, 1845, p.49, shows James Poythress
as a voter in Chattahoochee, at the house of R. Scott.

He got additional land, too in 1846 & 1848:
- Records of the Tallahassee and Newnansville General Land Office,
list James Poythrees (sic) Document No. 8871, dated 9 Jan 1846, listing
1/2 mile NW Steaphead, Gadsden Co. SE 1/4 NE 1/4 Sec.12 Tp.3 R.2, N & W
(i.e. T3N, R2W).

- General Land Office, Bureau of Land Management records show land was
purchased by James Poythress from the Tallahassee Land Office, by Cash
Entry Sale signed 1 Nov 1848, as shown on Certificate No. 8871, the
South East quarter of the Northeast quarter of Section Eighteen in
Township Two North of Range Six West, 40 acres.

We think our Florida participant in our DNA Study is a great-grandson of
this James P Poythress. Hope this helps as you're studying DNA results.		02/14/2007 1:43:27
[POYTHRESS] DNA re-exam of 1 marker requested for one fellowBarbara NealI have requested the Lab to please re-examine one marker for one of our
DNA Study participants -- our Florida participant whose grandfather was
John P Poythress, and whose great-grandfather we think may be James P
Poythress who left records in FL and GA.

For those of you who have been looking at our Poythress participants'
DNA marker results on Ysearch.org, you may have noticed that his
readings on the multi-copy marker known as "YCA II" are different from
our other participants who are in Haplogroup R1b1.

What that means, when I say that YCA II is a multi-copy marker, is that
you see both a YCA IIa reading, and a YCA IIb reading.

For this fellow his YCA II = 19 & 19 (that is: 19 for the a part, & 19
for the b part). This contrasts to results for almost all our other
Study participants, whose YCA II = 19 & 23.

It is possible that this fellow's 19 & 19 (versus 19 & 23) may have been
a clerical error, however I learned from another Ysearch user this week,
that the difference in readings could also be the result of a "RecLOH
mutation"

Please note that the word "mutation" is just the word that scientists
use to indicate the change or the development within one tiny part (DYS,
or marker) of the DNA. This "RecLOH mutation" (or this particular type
of change) is a kind of mutation/change where one copy of a multi-copy
marker gets copied to both locations.

So as I learned, this "RecLOH mutation" can cause the readings of a
multi-copy marker, in this case YCA II = 19 & 23 to mutate/change to
19 & 19 -- or to 23 & 23 -- in a single mutation/change.

Sorry this all gets so technical, but at any rate the important thing to
remember is that on a multi-copy marker like this one, a difference such
as this fellow's could possibly be just a single change/mutation. Since
his difference could alternatively have been a clerical error, that is
why I've asked the Lab to re-examine it.

Barbara Poythress Neal
Poythress-Poytress Surname DNA Study Volunteer Group Administrator		02/15/2007 2:36:10
Re: [POYTHRESS] John Lewis Poythress potential father?Barbara NealSarah, thanks for pointing out in your email to me that I mis-spoke on
referring to Alma as daughter of John Lewis Poythress. You of course are
right that she was his granddaughter, thru his son JOSEPH SIDNEY & LUCY
STAINBACK POYTHRESS. Sorry I get into such generational
problems when I try to go by memory rather than looking at the generations.

You also mentioned having seen reference to a "JAMES R POYTHRESS that
married SARAH CROWDER, who had a son JAMES W. POYTHRESS. This is all the
information I have on them. Do you have any more?"

Yes, but what I have is just scrabbled together thru the years from
various Poythress-List emails posted by various folks. It may be enough
to help (or even to help eliminate this James, too). I did not have any
middle initial "W" or otherwise for their son James. What I have pulled
from emails:

James R Poythress aka Portis marr. Sarah Crowder [I have no dates of
birth or death for James or Sarah; I noted that per Jean Poythress
Spille 3 Feb 1999 email they married Jan 1827 in Northampton Co, NC;
bondsman was Thomas R. Hutson; and witness was Saml Calvert.]
Folks have said they had 6 sons, but I have no years of birth/death
for them:
William
James
Sterling (more below on him & his family)
Lovel (more below on him & his family)
Joseph
Richard Plunk (more below on him & his family)
Most of the names of this family of James R & Sarah show up in the
1850 Northampton Co, NC Census, but appear in two apparently neighboring
households; it seems odd that two apparently adjacent households
enumerated on the same day have only the males of the name in one
household and only the females of the name in the other household. One
family member, Sterling Portis, is not found in either 1850 household --
that of his father James, or the adjacent one; however he is found in
the same county less than 100 households distant (out of more than 1200
households in the major portion of the county for which no Township is
indicated), in household 1060 of James Love (possibly a family name that
accounts for the first name of Lovel). The two adjacent Portis
households are:
HH 1158, Family 1158, sheet 71, no Township shown, enumerated 8 Nov
1850, lists James Portis, age 65, male, (white since no race to contrary
is listed), occupation ?none? born NC, cannot read and write, ?Pauper;?
William Portis, age 20, male, (white since no race to contrary is
listed), occupation ?none? born NC; James Portis, age 18, male, (white
since no race to contrary is listed), occupation ?none? born NC; Lovel
Portis, age 15, male, (white since no race to contrary is listed), born
NC; Joseph Portis, age 7, male, (white since no race to contrary is
listed), born NC, ?Pauper;? Plump Portis, age 5, male, (white since no
race to contrary is listed), born NC, ?Pauper?
HH 1159, Family 1159, sheet 71, no Township shown, enumerated 8 Nov
1850, listed: Julia A. Portis, age 25, female, (white since no race to
contrary is listed), born NC, cannot read and write; Martha E. Portis,
age 4, female, (white since no race to contrary is listed), born NC;
Celia Portis, age 60, female, (white since no race to contrary is
listed), born NC, cannot read and write, ?Pauper?

Of those 6 sons of James R & Sarah, I've also collected some additional
info on these 3:

Sterling Poythress/Portis - marr Sarah Elizabeth Turner (I have no date
or place)
In Elaine's compilation of the 1860 Census for Northampton Co, NC,
Gaston Twp., page 122, enumerated on 14 June 1860, was household 110:
Sterling Portess, age 25, male, mul., farmhand, $25 personal estate,
born NC; and Elizabeth, age 18, female, mul., born NC.

Lovel Poythress/Portis- marr Amanda Turner Jul 1859 Northampton Co, NC
Had children including following (& more; see Census below):
Louis
Sarah
James
Horace Fredrick - marr Laura Belle Turner
Reina Jones Poythress - marr Charles Lee Poythress (cousin)
Hall
In Elaine's compilation of the 1870 Census for Northampton Co, NC, HH
202 of Gaston Twp., page 526, enumerated on 1 Aug, listed: Lovick
Pertress, age 35, male, black, farm laborer, $100 Per.Est., born NC,
cannot read and write; Amanda, age 25, female, black, farm laborer, born
NC, cannot read and write; Louisa, age 10, female, black, attends
school, born NC; Rosa, age 8, female, black, born NC; S(illegible), age
6, female, black, born NC; Lanny, age 4/12, male, black, born NC in Jan.
In Elaine's compilation of the 1880 Census for Northampton Co, NC, HH
74, Family 74, Gaston Twp., page 226, ED 181, enumerated 3 June, lists:
Love Portris, mul., male, age 50, married, farmer, cannot read and
write, NC, NC, NC; wife Mandy, mul., female, age 35, married, keeping
house, cannot read and write, NC, NC, NC; daughter Louise, mul., female,
age 20 [Bpn sees her age as 21], farm laborer, cannot read and write,
NC, NC, NC; daughter Sallie, mul., female, age 18, farm laborer, cannot
read and write, NC, NC, NC; son Harison?, mul., male, age 12, farm
laborer, NC, NC, NC; daughter Bettie, mul., female, age 9, NC, NC, NC;
daughter Riner, mul., female, age 7, NC, NC, NC; son Peter, mul., male,
age 2, NC, NC, NC; son-in-law Preston Scott, mul., male, age 25,
married, cannot read and write, NC, NC, NC; gr.son Johnie Scott, male,
age 3, NC, NC, NC.

Richard Plunk Poythress (d.1920) - marr Ada Turner (no dates)
Had children:
Charles Lee Poythress b.1869 (marr above cousin)
William Francis " b.1871 - marr Geneva Godwin
Jimmie b.1873
Richard b.1875
Indie b.1878
Jarrett b.1880
Beatrice b.1882
Robert b.1884
Sam b.1887
Mary b.1890
Jimmie b.1893 (twin of below)
Jennie Warren b.1893 (male; twin of above))

As I recall, I believe there are photos of some of these folks on our
Poythress research website.

Travelling all day tomorrow for a weekend trip where I won't be
emailing. Hope you have a good weekend.
BPN		02/15/2007 3:24:53
[POYTHRESS] poythress cleatonChris PangbornHi,
I have perused your excellent site in the past and now I was
wondering whether you could please help me with a genealogical
question. I was looking to establish a bloodline connection with the
Poythress family. Many of my direct descendants lived in the Brunswick,
VA in the 1700s, among them are the Shorts, Stiths, Drurys, Cleatons,
Laniers & Baughs. My sister found one of our direct descendants was a
Poythress Cleaton We found this site which mentions a real estate
record:. Poythress Cleaton is listed on the top line.

> http://www.rootsweb.com/~vameckle/willindex/C_53.htm

We're guessing her mother or grandmother may have been a Poythress but
we haven't been able to determine this. Would you have any record or
her beyond this or could direct me to a researcher who may be of use?
I'd greatly appreciate your help.

Thank you very much.

Chris Pangborn		02/15/2007 4:59:02
Re: [POYTHRESS] Transcribed info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit 1824-084Barbara NealA correction, an addition, & clarifications:

Correction:
In my introductory remarks, in my 14 Feb 2007 message where I
transcribed a good bit of info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit
1824-084, I commented that among the depositions I was not transcribing
was one of Wilson Walker who owned the land on which David Taylor his
wife Rebecca Dortch lived. That land owner's first name was not Wilson;
his correct name in the deposition was Henry Walker.

Addition:
There was a deposition taken from an additional Taylor: Thomas G.
Taylor. For him, too, no relationship was stated. He stated that he was
acquainted with David Taylor's "pecuniary situation" for many years, to
the day of his death. He agreed that David Taylor was in very great
financial distress & embarrassment. Further, he stated: "I myself had an
Execution against him which was returned no effects, perhaps three or
four years before his death." I understand that to mean Thomas G Taylor
should have been paid something by David Taylor, but that the
"execution" (possibly by the Sheriff) of that claim was returned as
uncollectable due to David Taylor having no seizable/saleable property
-- this "no effects."
Further Thomas G Taylor said that David Taylor's widow Rebecca
Taylor "told me herself that she was" in a distressed situation after
her husband's death. He had heard her say that there was money due her
from her Father's estate, "and that the reason why she had not
prosecuted her claim was this -- that her brother David Dortch the
representative of her father, was extremely kind in administering to her
wants -- or words to that amount."

Clarifications:
- I have not been able to find in any of this case's documents ANY
date for the death of David Taylor.
- None of those deposed could recall the date of the bond David Taylor
& Jones Taylor had given for David Taylor's purchases from David
Dortch's estate sale.
- There is also no mention in this case whether or not Dortch's
administrators had pursued getting payment from Jones Taylor, who
co-signed the bond with David Taylor.

BPN		02/15/2007 5:38:36
Re: [POYTHRESS] (no subject)PatI am still searching for my link to the Poythresses that are most discussed
on this rootsweb page.

My father was R Horace Johnson and his brother was named Lewis so I strongly
suspect that we are somehow related to the Lewis Poythress line. Their
great grandfather was William Poythress who married Julia ____, whose
daughter Martha married Edward Neal/O'Neal in March 1880 per Emporia,
Greensville Co, VA records. As I have noted before both Lewis Poythress and
my William Poythress lived in Greensville County, VA in mid 1800s. It would
make sense that they were related.

Does anyone have any data on such a relationship?

Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Neal"
To:
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] John Lewis Poythress potential father?


> Sarah, thanks for pointing out in your email to me that I mis-spoke on
> referring to Alma as daughter of John Lewis Poythress. You of course are
> right that she was his granddaughter, thru his son JOSEPH SIDNEY & LUCY
> STAINBACK POYTHRESS. Sorry I get into such generational
> problems when I try to go by memory rather than looking at the
> generations.
>
> You also mentioned having seen reference to a "JAMES R POYTHRESS that
> married SARAH CROWDER, who had a son JAMES W. POYTHRESS. This is all the
> information I have on them. Do you have any more?"
>
> Yes, but what I have is just scrabbled together thru the years from
> various Poythress-List emails posted by various folks. It may be enough
> to help (or even to help eliminate this James, too). I did not have any
> middle initial "W" or otherwise for their son James. What I have pulled
> from emails:
>
> James R Poythress aka Portis marr. Sarah Crowder [I have no dates of
> birth or death for James or Sarah; I noted that per Jean Poythress
> Spille 3 Feb 1999 email they married Jan 1827 in Northampton Co, NC;
> bondsman was Thomas R. Hutson; and witness was Saml Calvert.]
> Folks have said they had 6 sons, but I have no years of birth/death
> for them:
> William
> James
> Sterling (more below on him & his family)
> Lovel (more below on him & his family)
> Joseph
> Richard Plunk (more below on him & his family)
> Most of the names of this family of James R & Sarah show up in the
> 1850 Northampton Co, NC Census, but appear in two apparently neighboring
> households; it seems odd that two apparently adjacent households
> enumerated on the same day have only the males of the name in one
> household and only the females of the name in the other household. One
> family member, Sterling Portis, is not found in either 1850 household --
> that of his father James, or the adjacent one; however he is found in
> the same county less than 100 households distant (out of more than 1200
> households in the major portion of the county for which no Township is
> indicated), in household 1060 of James Love (possibly a family name that
> accounts for the first name of Lovel). The two adjacent Portis
> households are:
> HH 1158, Family 1158, sheet 71, no Township shown, enumerated 8 Nov
> 1850, lists James Portis, age 65, male, (white since no race to contrary
> is listed), occupation ?none? born NC, cannot read and write, ?Pauper;?
> William Portis, age 20, male, (white since no race to contrary is
> listed), occupation ?none? born NC; James Portis, age 18, male, (white
> since no race to contrary is listed), occupation ?none? born NC; Lovel
> Portis, age 15, male, (white since no race to contrary is listed), born
> NC; Joseph Portis, age 7, male, (white since no race to contrary is
> listed), born NC, ?Pauper;? Plump Portis, age 5, male, (white since no
> race to contrary is listed), born NC, ?Pauper?
> HH 1159, Family 1159, sheet 71, no Township shown, enumerated 8 Nov
> 1850, listed: Julia A. Portis, age 25, female, (white since no race to
> contrary is listed), born NC, cannot read and write; Martha E. Portis,
> age 4, female, (white since no race to contrary is listed), born NC;
> Celia Portis, age 60, female, (white since no race to contrary is
> listed), born NC, cannot read and write, ?Pauper?
>
> Of those 6 sons of James R & Sarah, I've also collected some additional
> info on these 3:
>
> Sterling Poythress/Portis - marr Sarah Elizabeth Turner (I have no date
> or place)
> In Elaine's compilation of the 1860 Census for Northampton Co, NC,
> Gaston Twp., page 122, enumerated on 14 June 1860, was household 110:
> Sterling Portess, age 25, male, mul., farmhand, $25 personal estate,
> born NC; and Elizabeth, age 18, female, mul., born NC.
>
> Lovel Poythress/Portis- marr Amanda Turner Jul 1859 Northampton Co, NC
> Had children including following (& more; see Census below):
> Louis
> Sarah
> James
> Horace Fredrick - marr Laura Belle Turner
> Reina Jones Poythress - marr Charles Lee Poythress (cousin)
> Hall
> In Elaine's compilation of the 1870 Census for Northampton Co, NC, HH
> 202 of Gaston Twp., page 526, enumerated on 1 Aug, listed: Lovick
> Pertress, age 35, male, black, farm laborer, $100 Per.Est., born NC,
> cannot read and write; Amanda, age 25, female, black, farm laborer, born
> NC, cannot read and write; Louisa, age 10, female, black, attends
> school, born NC; Rosa, age 8, female, black, born NC; S(illegible), age
> 6, female, black, born NC; Lanny, age 4/12, male, black, born NC in Jan.
> In Elaine's compilation of the 1880 Census for Northampton Co, NC, HH
> 74, Family 74, Gaston Twp., page 226, ED 181, enumerated 3 June, lists:
> Love Portris, mul., male, age 50, married, farmer, cannot read and
> write, NC, NC, NC; wife Mandy, mul., female, age 35, married, keeping
> house, cannot read and write, NC, NC, NC; daughter Louise, mul., female,
> age 20 [Bpn sees her age as 21], farm laborer, cannot read and write,
> NC, NC, NC; daughter Sallie, mul., female, age 18, farm laborer, cannot
> read and write, NC, NC, NC; son Harison?, mul., male, age 12, farm
> laborer, NC, NC, NC; daughter Bettie, mul., female, age 9, NC, NC, NC;
> daughter Riner, mul., female, age 7, NC, NC, NC; son Peter, mul., male,
> age 2, NC, NC, NC; son-in-law Preston Scott, mul., male, age 25,
> married, cannot read and write, NC, NC, NC; gr.son Johnie Scott, male,
> age 3, NC, NC, NC.
>
> Richard Plunk Poythress (d.1920) - marr Ada Turner (no dates)
> Had children:
> Charles Lee Poythress b.1869 (marr above cousin)
> William Francis " b.1871 - marr Geneva Godwin
> Jimmie b.1873
> Richard b.1875
> Indie b.1878
> Jarrett b.1880
> Beatrice b.1882
> Robert b.1884
> Sam b.1887
> Mary b.1890
> Jimmie b.1893 (twin of below)
> Jennie Warren b.1893 (male; twin of above))
>
> As I recall, I believe there are photos of some of these folks on our
> Poythress research website.
>
> Travelling all day tomorrow for a weekend trip where I won't be
> emailing. Hope you have a good weekend.
> BPN
>
>
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> quotes in the subject and the body of the message		02/16/2007 10:02:41
Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19Bryan PoythressAccording to some of the information I've come across,
Lewis Poythress was married twice. His first marriage,
to Elizabeth Patsy Giles, produced a son named Edward
(born about 1798) This is the Edward that married
Mahaley Nance. His second marriage, to Rebecca B.
Taylor, also produced a son named James Edward (born
13 Aug 1803). James Edward married
Catherine Speed Preston. They had a son which,
according to my information was named Joshua Lewis
Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1828 in Mecklenburg County,
Virginia. The 'Joshua' throws me a bit, but the birth
year is close to the dates my Grandfather gave me. The
disconnect, however, is information shows that he died
12 Jun 1854, which is not consistant with census
records show as John Lewis' last known living record
(1900 NC census record for Franklin County) I know
that the John Poythress listed in the 1900 NC census
under Franklin county is my direct ancestor.

It seems to me that either of these could be the
father of John Lewis (timing wise at least), but
unless there is a huge error, James Edward cannot be
the father of my ancestor John Lewis Poythress. Then
again, maybe I'm missing something.

P.S. Am I the Florida participant being mentioned? If
so, my line as far back as has been traced is to John
Lewis which is 5 generations back.

Bryan

--- poythress-request@rootsweb.com wrote:

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> From: Barbara Neal
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> Hey Sarah, since you & I talked the other day, I
> still haven't had time
> to review the info re Edward Poythress that makes
> you feel Edward &
> Mahaly Poythress were not the parents of John Lewis.
>
> But I realized that we have indeed seen another
> potential "James" for
> being a father of John Lewis, and thus one that
> could fit in with the
> info Braxton put on that chart he prepared for that
> Summer 1978
> Poythress Reunion, that included info he told you he
> had gotten from his
> Aunt Alma.
>
> On the chart, he showed John Lewis Poythress born
> Mecklenburg Co, Aug
> 29, 1829 and died Feb 27, 1905, which as you & I
> were noticing was
> several years before his daughter Alma was born.
>
> He also showed John Lewis' father as "James
> Poythress, born Mecklenburg
> Co, VA 1805"
>
> This oother James Poythress, is one who indeed we've
> noted was born
> perhaps about 1805: He is the James P. Poythress
> who gets into records
> down in both Screven Co, GA and in Florida.
>
> We don't know the identity of his father, and we
> don't have any place of
> birth for James P Poythress, but he was in a number
> of nearby locations
> in GA & FL with George Poythress, who would likely
> have been kin, and
> who was a brother of Lewis Poythress. We assume
> James P Poythress was
> NOT a son of George, since we know that when George
> made his will 6 Apr
> 1829, he mentioned only his son John Carter
> Poythress and his daughter,
> Mary Elizabeth who married (1) Addison Mandell, and
> (2) William
> Cheeseborough, M.D.. In 1829, when George wrote his
> will, James P was
> still very much alive.
>
> I had guesstimated James' birthyear as 1805 based on
> him being a Mason
> in Gadsden County, Territory of Florida, before 24
> Jan 1828, when he
> helped form a new Masonic chapter by moving his
> membership there from
> Georgia.
>
> James P also got land, a year earlier, in 1827 in
> Gadsden Co, FL. In
> Womack's book on Gadsden County, Appendix 2,
> Gadsden County Original
> Land Patents 1826-1830, lists "J.P. Paythness" with
> the land described
> as E 1/2 SE 1/4 Sec 7 T2N R2W, with a date of 19 Feb
> 1827. Homestead
> application shows purchase by James P. Poythress
> from the Tallahassee
> Land Office, by Cash Entry Sale signed 1 June 1827,
> as shown on
> Certificate No. 1110, where the above description is
> more fully filled
> out as the East half of the South East quarter of
> Section Seven in
> Township Two North of Range Two West, 78 acres and
> 72/100 of an acre, in
> Gadsden Co, Territory of FL.
>
> We also know that James had been a guardian in
> Screven Co, GA. The
> little I know about the Screven Co, GA records comes
> from Jeannette
> Holland Austin's book Georgia Intestate Records. In
> her book on her
> p.177, is listed William Kelly, bound to James
> Poythress, per p.96 of
> Screven OM -- and her book's table of abbreviations
> shows this would be
> found in Screven Co, GA Minutes Court of Ordinary,
> Book I (1811-1829)
> Index ONLY, so we can't tell from this, when that
> entry could have been
> made in that 1811-1829 period.
>
> Austin also lists on her p.254 William Platt, with
> James Poythress, gdn
> (guardian) and him being released as gdn. These 2
> references are again
> from Screven OM, p.157 and the release on p.196.
> Again, since the
> Screven Co, GA Minutes Court of Ordinary, Book I
> (1811-1829) is an Index
> ONLY, we can't tell from this when these 2 entries
> could have been made
> in that 1811-1829 period.
>
> We don't have any specific age for James on any of
> these things, but
> another bit of info about him comes from the 1830
> Florida Territory
> Census for Gadsden Co, which researcher Kathy Best
> prepared in 1991 (for
> her client Bud Poythress). She showed the census
> listed him as J.P.
> Poythress, and indicated he was found on p.141 of
> the Census, having 6
> slaves and the following free white household
> members: 1 male age 5-10;
> 1 male age 10-15; 1 male age 20-30; 1 male age
> 30-40; 1 female under age
> 5; 1 female age 5-10; 1 female age 10-15; and 1
> female age 15-20. Of
> course which of those age groupings was him, and
> which were some other
> free white males, remains a mystery.
>
> Also from Womack's book on Gadsden Co, FL: the p.33
> article on Early
> Banking Economy discusses, in part, "The Union Bank
> of Florida, located
> in Tallahassee, was most accessible to the Middle
> Florida area and based
> on the same principle as the Bank of Florida.
> Receiving its charter from
> the Legislative Council on February 13, 1833... Two
> months later, April
> 10, 1833, the commissioners met to receive
> subscriptions of their
> capital stock. The following shares were subscribed
> to by various
> families of Gadsden County:... [including:]
> William Manner (sic; Maner) 300 Shares, 174
> Shares Secured
> J.P. Poythress 15 Shares; 6 Shares Secured
>
> James was also listed in the 1840 Florida Territory
> Census, again for
> Gadsden County, listed as James P. Poytheress (sic).
>
> James Poythress voted in Chattahoochee, Florida in
> the first statewide
> election in 1845. Brian E. Michaels' compilation of
> Florida Voters In
> Their First Statewide Election May 26, 1845, p.49,
> shows James Poythress
> as a voter in Chattahoochee, at the house of R.
> Scott.
>
> He got additional land, too in 1846 & 1848:
> - Records of the Tallahassee and Newnansville
> General Land Office,
> list James Poythrees (sic) Document No. 8871, dated
> 9 Jan 1846, listing
> 1/2 mile NW Steaphead, Gadsden Co. SE 1/4 NE 1/4
> Sec.12 Tp.3 R.2, N & W
> (i.e. T3N, R2W).
>
> - General Land Office, Bureau of Land Management
> records show land was
> purchased by James Poythress from the Tallahassee
> Land Office, by Cash
> Entry Sale signed 1 Nov 1848, as shown on
> Certificate No. 8871, the
> South East quarter of the Northeast quarter of
> Section Eighteen in
> Township Two North of Range Six West, 40 acres.
>
> We think our Florida participant in our DNA Study is
> a great-grandson of
> this James P Poythress. Hope this helps as you're
> studying DNA results.
>
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19Barbara NealBryan, thanks for your email. No, you are not the Florida participant
who was mentioned in the messages earlier about a potential father for
John Lewis Poythress. I'm sorry for the confusion caused by referring
to the other fellow that way, in light of the fact that you moved to FL
in very recent years. The other "Florida participant" in our DNA Study
is much older than you. He & his grandfather & his great-grandfather
were all born in Florida, so his line has been there in FL since at
least that great-grandfather's birth in 1833.

And yes, you are right that Joshua Lewis Poythress, son of James Edward
Poythress, was born in Mecklenburg Co, VA in Nov 1828, and that he died
in June 1854 -- in Sumter County, Alabama, where he & his wife moved
with his parents and with all his other siblings, who were listed on the
family's Bible-type record. (By the way, none of the listed siblings
were named John, and no others had Lewis as a middle name.) Joshua Lewis
P's death resulted in an estate record in Sumter County, AL, with his
father handling it, so we do have outside confirmation that he was deceased.

Yes, all of that makes it clear that Joshua Lewis Poythress was not the
same person as John Lewis Poythress, who as you noted, was listed in the
1900 Franklin Co, NC census.

I know that through the years some have wondered if John Lewis Poythress
was also a son of James Edward Poythress. (James Edward P was born in
Mecklenburg Co, VA on 13 August 1803.) I do not believe John Lewis P
was his son, since
- James Edward Poythress & his wife Catherine Preston began keeping
their own family Bible-type record when they married in late February 1828
- they began it by copying all the family information available about
the family in which wife Catherine Preston had been born (Unfortunately,
they listed no info in that record about James Edward's birth family)
- they kept their record up through the births of all 8 of their
listed children, including sons who died as infants, and through the
marriages of their children, and deaths of many family members.

To me, all of that clearly indicates that John Lewis Poythress was not
their son, but was rather the son of another Poythress man. We just have
to keep searching for the right traces that will help us know which one.

Thanks again,
Barbara (BPN)		02/19/2007 7:22:23
Re: [POYTHRESS] poythress cleatonBarbara NealHi Chris & thanks for your message. Just in case you are not a Poythress
list subscriber, I'm copying this to your email address, too. It's great
to hear from another descendant of Brunswick Co, VA 1700s residents,
especially when you mention the Poythress Cleaton name.

I'm puzzled, though, by your referring to Poythress Cleaton as "her"
because my understanding is that Poythress Cleaton was a "he." Maybe
just a typo?

We don't know why Poythress Cleaton had "Poythress" as a first name, but
as you say it's certainly logical that mother's or grandmother's maiden
name may have been Poythress.

You may already know this re Poythress Cleaton being listed in the
Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 2, p.70 Estate Inventory that you found
indexed. It's abstracted in Katherine Elliott's book "Early Wills
(1765-1799) of Mecklenburg Co, Virginia" as follows:
Inventory & appraisal of his estate conducted, and recorded later on 9
Aug 1784, Cleaton, Poythress (p.70) Inventory and appraisal of the
estate of Poythress Cleaton, deceased. Appraisers: John Eppes, Charles
Coppedge, John Smith.

In case you & your sister are not aware of it, Poythress Cleaton was
also in the 1782 Mecklenburg Co, VA Tax List for Personal Property (not
Land). He's listed in the section of the county where the List was
"Taken by William Starling, Gentleman." There his name was shown as follows:

Clayton Poythress 1 - 3 1 - - - - 12 9

Those numbers correspond to the column headings indicating:
1 Free Male over age 21 in the household (just himself)
- number of slaves (thus none)
3 number of cattle
1 number of horses, mules, and colts
- number of wheels for carriages (thus none)
- number of Ordinary licenses
- number of Billiard tables
and the last three colums showed the amount of taxes due by Pounds,
Shillings, & Pence. Thus his total tax due was:
no Pounds, 12 Shillings & 9 Pence

I found an indication that Delphy was his widow. From Maynard's
compilation of Mecklenburg Co, VA records, the following from 3 Sep
1783, noting it is from Order Bk 5, p.421:
It appearing to the Court by a note proved by the Oath of Lewis Williams
that Delphy Whitlow widow of Poythress Cleaton deced has relinquished
her right of administration to Stephen Mabry. On the motion of the said
Stephen certificate is granted him for obtaining letters of
administration on the estate of Poythress Cleaton deced he having made
Oath and together with Lewis Williams his security entered into and
acknowledged their Bond in the penalty of five hundred pounds
conditioned as the law directs.

And earlier, there was a Deed in Mecklenburg Co, VA Order Book 4, p.458:
Indenture of Bargain and Sale between William Cleaton of the one part
and Poythress Cleaton of the other part and the Memorandum thereon
endorsed were proved by the Oaths of Benjamin Malone, Jones Malone &
James Standley Witnesses thereto & are Ordered to be recorded.

I don't recall any other references to Cleaton Poythress, but perhaps
some other List subscribers do. If so, I hope they'll chime in.

Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)

2/15/07 Chris Pangborn wrote:
> Hi,
> I have perused your excellent site in the past and now I was
> wondering whether you could please help me with a genealogical
> question. I was looking to establish a bloodline connection with the
> Poythress family. Many of my direct descendants lived in the Brunswick,
> VA in the 1700s, among them are the Shorts, Stiths, Drurys, Cleatons,
> Laniers & Baughs. My sister found one of our direct descendants was a
> Poythress Cleaton We found this site which mentions a real estate
> record:. Poythress Cleaton is listed on the top line.
>
>>http://www.rootsweb.com/~vameckle/willindex/C_53.htm
>
> We're guessing her mother or grandmother may have been a Poythress but
> we haven't been able to determine this. Would you have any record or
> her beyond this or could direct me to a researcher who may be of use?
> I'd greatly appreciate your help.
>
> Thank you very much.
> Chris Pangborn		02/19/2007 10:51:38
Re: [POYTHRESS] Transcribed info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit 1824-084-Dortch-TaylorJulie CabittoJust wanted to let you know I have a busy week, but I do want to sit down
and read through these latest Poythress-Taylor-Dortch chancery info. Like I
said, I have about 7 other cases and they are related to the Dortch-Taylor
case. So I'll start sifting through the records and just list the
relationship info and post it here. I also want to compare it to some note I
have. These Virginia records, I've been looking through some of them in the
archival room and looking through the original documents.
So just wanted to make sure you knew I was interested in the subject, and
will post info soon.
Love,
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Neal"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Transcribed info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery
suit 1824-084


>A correction, an addition, & clarifications:
>
> Correction:
> In my introductory remarks, in my 14 Feb 2007 message where I
> transcribed a good bit of info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit
> 1824-084, I commented that among the depositions I was not transcribing
> was one of Wilson Walker who owned the land on which David Taylor his
> wife Rebecca Dortch lived. That land owner's first name was not Wilson;
> his correct name in the deposition was Henry Walker.
>
> Addition:
> There was a deposition taken from an additional Taylor: Thomas G.
> Taylor. For him, too, no relationship was stated. He stated that he was
> acquainted with David Taylor's "pecuniary situation" for many years, to
> the day of his death. He agreed that David Taylor was in very great
> financial distress & embarrassment. Further, he stated: "I myself had an
> Execution against him which was returned no effects, perhaps three or
> four years before his death." I understand that to mean Thomas G Taylor
> should have been paid something by David Taylor, but that the
> "execution" (possibly by the Sheriff) of that claim was returned as
> uncollectable due to David Taylor having no seizable/saleable property
> -- this "no effects."
> Further Thomas G Taylor said that David Taylor's widow Rebecca
> Taylor "told me herself that she was" in a distressed situation after
> her husband's death. He had heard her say that there was money due her
> from her Father's estate, "and that the reason why she had not
> prosecuted her claim was this -- that her brother David Dortch the
> representative of her father, was extremely kind in administering to her
> wants -- or words to that amount."
>
> Clarifications:
> - I have not been able to find in any of this case's documents ANY
> date for the death of David Taylor.
> - None of those deposed could recall the date of the bond David Taylor
> & Jones Taylor had given for David Taylor's purchases from David
> Dortch's estate sale.
> - There is also no mention in this case whether or not Dortch's
> administrators had pursued getting payment from Jones Taylor, who
> co-signed the bond with David Taylor.
>
> BPN
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> quotes in the subject and the body of the message		02/20/2007 2:53:31
Re: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress estate papersJulie CabittoI mailed out copies to everyone that asked for the William Poythress estate
papers, over a week ago.
Is there anyone who asked for a copy and hasn't received one yet? Is there
anyone who didn't see this the first time around and wants a copy?
Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss any one.
I feel like, this record was lost for many years, so I wanted to distribute
it to others, so it doesn't get lost again. Maybe because it was lost is why
it's in such good shape 🙂

Love,
Julie



02/20/2007 2:56:24
[POYTHRESS] Transcr: Division of Est of William Poythress 1777 PG Co, VABarbara NealWith thanks to Julie Cabitto for tracking down this document, here's
info from Library of Virginia's Accession #22483d, transcribed by
Barbara Poythress Neal. [Note: this transcription does NOT include all
the many Slaves' names. Comments in square brackets are mine. I've
included minus & plus signs in the listed figures for clarity]:

[label on back of folded sheet:]
Division of Poythress estate
Recd Feb [17]77 Est & final Decree
Recorded & Exam'd

In obedience to a Decree of the Worshipfull Court of Prince George
County in Chancery, bearing date [blank]th day of July 1775 which is
hereunto annexed [Note: the Chancery order is not included in the
Accession], We the Subscribers have proceeded to divide the Slaves of
which William Poythress died possessed between the complainants John
Gordon & Lucy his Wife, Ann Isham Poythress, & Mary Poythress, & the
Defendant Benjamin Poythress and do allot to each of the said Legatees
their share or proportion of the said Slaves amounting to value to £4282
as may more fully appear by a Schedule underwritten, which we intend
shall be taken as part of this report and as the parts of Ann Isham
Poythress, Mary Poythress, & the Defendant Benjamin Poythress are
unequal to the Share allotted to John Gordon & Wife he consequently is
to pay to the said Legatees £26.6.8 Viz to Ann Isham Poythress £3.13.4,
to Mary Poythress £11.3.4, to Benjamin Poythress £1.13.4 and to Benjamin
Poythress as Heir to William Poythress Jr deceased £8.13.4 and to ditto
as Heir to Sally Poythress dec'd £1.13.4 as their proportions of the
above twenty six pounds.
Schedule [note: putting main numbers to the left here, so they will
more easily form columns, rather than on the right as in the original;
all amts in £, shillings, & pence]
---
Negroes alloted to John Gordon & his Wife [names]
740. 0.0
- 26. 6.8 [composed of:]
deducted for Ann Isham Poythress 3.13.4
deducted for Mary Poythress 11.3.4
deducted for Benjamin Poythress 1.13.4
deducted for William Poythress 8.13.4
_________ deducted for Sally Poythress 1.3.4
713.13.4
=========
Negroes allotted to Ann Isham Poythress [names]
710. 0.0
+ 3.13.4 To be paid by John Gordon for her proportion as above
_________
713.13.4
=========
Negroes allotted to Mary Poythress [names]
702.10.0
+ 11. 3.4 To be paid by John Gordon for her proportion as above
_________
713.13.4
=========
Negroes allotted to Benjamin Poythress [names]
712. 0.0 [bottom of 1st page; cont'd on 2nd:]
+ 1.13.4 To be paid by John Gordon for his proportion as above
_________
713.13.4
=========
Negroes allotted for William Poythress Jr proportion [names]
705. 0.0
+ 8.13.4 To be paid by John Gordon for his proportion
_________
713.13.4
=========
Negroes allotted for Sally Poythress [names]
712.10.0
+ 1. 3.4 To be paid by John Gordon for her proportion
_________
713.13.4
=========
4282.0.0 Total
[signed:]
David Walker
Philip Jones
Thomas Scott
Ken Jones
~~~~~~
Feby 1776
At a Court held for Prince George County at the Courthouse on Tuesday
the 11th day of Feby 1777 The persons appointed to divide the Estate of
William Poythress dec'd between the several complainants & Benj.
Poythress, defendant, This day made this return thereof and by order of
the Court it is Truely Recorded
Test [Huhe? or Arche?] Carlos D.C.		02/20/2007 4:01:20
Re: [POYTHRESS] Transcr: Division of Est of William Poythress 1777 PGCo, VAPatDo we know the names of the sons of Benjamin Poythress, son of William Poythress Jr. Am I correct that this is division of estate of William Poythress JR?

Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Neal"
To: "Poythress List"
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Transcr: Division of Est of William Poythress 1777 PGCo, VA


> With thanks to Julie Cabitto for tracking down this document, here's
> info from Library of Virginia's Accession #22483d, transcribed by
> Barbara Poythress Neal. [Note: this transcription does NOT include all
> the many Slaves' names. Comments in square brackets are mine. I've
> included minus & plus signs in the listed figures for clarity]:
>
> [label on back of folded sheet:]
> Division of Poythress estate
> Recd Feb [17]77 Est & final Decree
> Recorded & Exam'd
>
> In obedience to a Decree of the Worshipfull Court of Prince George
> County in Chancery, bearing date [blank]th day of July 1775 which is
> hereunto annexed [Note: the Chancery order is not included in the
> Accession], We the Subscribers have proceeded to divide the Slaves of
> which William Poythress died possessed between the complainants John
> Gordon & Lucy his Wife, Ann Isham Poythress, & Mary Poythress, & the
> Defendant Benjamin Poythress and do allot to each of the said Legatees
> their share or proportion of the said Slaves amounting to value to £4282
> as may more fully appear by a Schedule underwritten, which we intend
> shall be taken as part of this report and as the parts of Ann Isham
> Poythress, Mary Poythress, & the Defendant Benjamin Poythress are
> unequal to the Share allotted to John Gordon & Wife he consequently is
> to pay to the said Legatees £26.6.8 Viz to Ann Isham Poythress £3.13.4,
> to Mary Poythress £11.3.4, to Benjamin Poythress £1.13.4 and to Benjamin
> Poythress as Heir to William Poythress Jr deceased £8.13.4 and to ditto
> as Heir to Sally Poythress dec'd £1.13.4 as their proportions of the
> above twenty six pounds.
> Schedule [note: putting main numbers to the left here, so they will
> more easily form columns, rather than on the right as in the original;
> all amts in £, shillings, & pence]
> ---
> Negroes alloted to John Gordon & his Wife [names]
> 740. 0.0
> - 26. 6.8 [composed of:]
> deducted for Ann Isham Poythress 3.13.4
> deducted for Mary Poythress 11.3.4
> deducted for Benjamin Poythress 1.13.4
> deducted for William Poythress 8.13.4
> _________ deducted for Sally Poythress 1.3.4
> 713.13.4
> =========
> Negroes allotted to Ann Isham Poythress [names]
> 710. 0.0
> + 3.13.4 To be paid by John Gordon for her proportion as above
> _________
> 713.13.4
> =========
> Negroes allotted to Mary Poythress [names]
> 702.10.0
> + 11. 3.4 To be paid by John Gordon for her proportion as above
> _________
> 713.13.4
> =========
> Negroes allotted to Benjamin Poythress [names]
> 712. 0.0 [bottom of 1st page; cont'd on 2nd:]
> + 1.13.4 To be paid by John Gordon for his proportion as above
> _________
> 713.13.4
> =========
> Negroes allotted for William Poythress Jr proportion [names]
> 705. 0.0
> + 8.13.4 To be paid by John Gordon for his proportion
> _________
> 713.13.4
> =========
> Negroes allotted for Sally Poythress [names]
> 712.10.0
> + 1. 3.4 To be paid by John Gordon for her proportion
> _________
> 713.13.4
> =========
> 4282.0.0 Total
> [signed:]
> David Walker
> Philip Jones
> Thomas Scott
> Ken Jones
> ~~~~~~
> Feby 1776
> At a Court held for Prince George County at the Courthouse on Tuesday
> the 11th day of Feby 1777 The persons appointed to divide the Estate of
> William Poythress dec'd between the several complainants & Benj.
> Poythress, defendant, This day made this return thereof and by order of
> the Court it is Truely Recorded
> Test [Huhe? or Arche?] Carlos D.C.
>
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Transcr: Division of Est of William Poythress 1777 PGCo, VABarbara NealMichael Tutor, perhaps you can address Pat's questions?

Pat wrote:
> Do we know the names of the sons of Benjamin Poythress, son of
> William Poythress Jr. Am I correct that this is division of estate
> of William Poythress JR?
>
> Pat



02/20/2007 10:23:39
[POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress and beforeBryan PoythressThis may be a huge can of worms to open, but then
again, maybe someone out there has already thought of
this and researched it. How is it known that Lewis is
the fifth generation since Francis 1? (as posted in
"Descendants of Lewis Poythress" Lewis5 Poythress
(Thomas4, Thomas3, Francis2, Francis1) was born Abt.
1770 in Virginia, and died 1847. It seems to me that
there is a missing link somewhere in this line. I'm
not sure that there is enough generations to cover the
spread of years shown here. From what I have read,
Thomas4 would have been about 41 when Lewis5 was born.
Thomas3 would have been about 46 when Thomas 4 was
born. Francis2 would have been about 53 when Thomas3
was born. The age difference isn't out of the
question, of course, it just seems unlikely for the
times. Maybe the dates I have read are incorrect. Is
there any new information out there?

Bryan

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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:59:02 -0500
> From: Chris Pangborn
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] poythress cleaton
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> Hi,
> I have perused your excellent site in the past
> and now I was
> wondering whether you could please help me with a
> genealogical
> question. I was looking to establish a bloodline
> connection with the
> Poythress family. Many of my direct descendants
> lived in the Brunswick,
> VA in the 1700s, among them are the Shorts, Stiths,
> Drurys, Cleatons,
> Laniers & Baughs. My sister found one of our direct
> descendants was a
> Poythress Cleaton We found this site which mentions
> a real estate
> record:. Poythress Cleaton is listed on the top
> line.
>
> >
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~vameckle/willindex/C_53.htm
>
> We're guessing her mother or grandmother may have
> been a Poythress but
> we haven't been able to determine this. Would you
> have any record or
> her beyond this or could direct me to a researcher
> who may be of use?
> I'd greatly appreciate your help.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Chris Pangborn
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:02:41 -0500
> From: "Pat"
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] (no subject)
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>
> I am still searching for my link to the Poythresses
> that are most discussed
> on this rootsweb page.
>
> My father was R Horace Johnson and his brother was
> named Lewis so I strongly
> suspect that we are somehow related to the Lewis
> Poythress line. Their
> great grandfather was William Poythress who married
> Julia ____, whose
> daughter Martha married Edward Neal/O'Neal in March
> 1880 per Emporia,
> Greensville Co, VA records. As I have noted before
> both Lewis Poythress and
> my William Poythress lived in Greensville County, VA
> in mid 1800s. It would
> make sense that they were related.
>
> Does anyone have any data on such a relationship?
>
> Pat
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barbara Neal"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 12:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] John Lewis Poythress
> potential father?
>
>
> > Sarah, thanks for pointing out in your email to me
> that I mis-spoke on
> > referring to Alma as daughter of John Lewis
> Poythress. You of course are
> > right that she was his granddaughter, thru his son
> JOSEPH SIDNEY & LUCY
> > STAINBACK POYTHRESS. Sorry I get
> into such generational
> > problems when I try to go by memory rather than
> looking at the
> > generations.
> >
> > You also mentioned having seen reference to a
> "JAMES R POYTHRESS that
> > married SARAH CROWDER, who had a son JAMES W.
> POYTHRESS. This is all the
> > information I have on them. Do you have any more?"
> >
> > Yes, but what I have is just scrabbled together
> thru the years from
> > various Poythress-List emails posted by various
> folks. It may be enough
> > to help (or even to help eliminate this James,
> too). I did not have any
> > middle initial "W" or otherwise for their son
> James. What I have pulled
> > from emails:
> >
> > James R Poythress aka Portis marr. Sarah Crowder
> [I have no dates of
> > birth or death for James or Sarah; I noted that
> per Jean Poythress
> > Spille 3 Feb 1999 email they married Jan 1827 in
> Northampton Co, NC;
> > bondsman was Thomas R. Hutson; and witness was
> Saml Calvert.]
> > Folks have said they had 6 sons, but I have no
> years of birth/death
> > for them:
> > William
> > James
> > Sterling (more below on him & his family)
> > Lovel (more below on him & his family)
> > Joseph
> > Richard Plunk (more below on him & his family)
> > Most of the names of this family of James R &
> Sarah show up in the
> > 1850 Northampton Co, NC Census, but appear in two
> apparently neighboring
> > households; it seems odd that two apparently
> adjacent households
> > enumerated on the same day have only the males of
> the name in one
> > household and only the females of the name in the
> other household. One
> > family member, Sterling Portis, is not found in
> either 1850 household --
> > that of his father James, or the adjacent one;
> however he is found in
> > the same county less than 100 households distant
> (out of more than 1200
> > households in the major portion of the county for
> which no Township is
> > indicated), in household 1060 of James Love
> (possibly a family name that
> > accounts for the first name of Lovel). The two
> adjacent Portis
> > households are:
> > HH 1158, Family 1158, sheet 71, no Township
> shown, enumerated 8 Nov
> > 1850, lists James Portis, age 65, male, (white
> since no race to contrary
> > is listed), occupation ?none? born NC, cannot read
> and write, ?Pauper;?
> > William Portis, age 20, male, (white since no race
> to contrary is
> > listed), occupation ?none? born NC; James Portis,
> age 18, male, (white
> > since no race to contrary is listed), occupation
> ?none? born NC; Lovel
> > Portis, age 15, male, (white since no race to
> contrary is listed), born
> > NC; Joseph Portis, age 7, male, (white since no
> race to contrary is
> > listed), born NC, ?Pauper;? Plump Portis, age 5,
> male, (white since no
> > race to contrary is listed), born NC, ?Pauper?
> > HH 1159, Family 1159, sheet 71, no Township
> shown, enumerated 8 Nov
> > 1850, listed: Julia A. Portis, age 25, female,
> (white since no race to
> > contrary is listed), born NC, cannot read and
> write; Martha E. Portis,
> > age 4, female, (white since no race to contrary is
> listed), born NC;
> > Celia Portis, age 60, female, (white since no race
> to contrary is
> > listed), born NC, cannot read and write, ?Pauper?
> >
> > Of those 6 sons of James R & Sarah, I've also
> collected some additional
> > info on these 3:
> >
> > Sterling Poythress/Portis - marr Sarah Elizabeth
> Turner (I have no date
> > or place)
> > In Elaine's compilation of the 1860 Census for
> Northampton Co, NC,
> > Gaston Twp., page 122, enumerated on 14 June 1860,
> was household 110:
> > Sterling Portess, age 25, male, mul., farmhand,
> $25 personal estate,
> > born NC; and Elizabeth, age 18, female, mul., born
> NC.
> >
> > Lovel Poythress/Portis- marr Amanda Turner Jul
> 1859 Northampton Co, NC
> > Had children including following (& more; see
> Census below):
> > Louis
> > Sarah
> > James
> > Horace Fredrick - marr Laura Belle Turner
> > Reina Jones Poythress - marr Charles Lee Poythress
> (cousin)
> > Hall
> > In Elaine's compilation of the 1870 Census for
> Northampton Co, NC, HH
> > 202 of Gaston Twp., page 526, enumerated on 1 Aug,
> listed: Lovick
> > Pertress, age 35, male, black, farm laborer, $100
> Per.Est., born NC,
> > cannot read and write; Amanda, age 25, female,
> black, farm laborer, born
> > NC, cannot read and write; Louisa, age 10, female,
> black, attends
> > school, born NC; Rosa, age 8, female, black, born
> NC; S(illegible), age
> > 6, female, black, born NC; Lanny, age 4/12, male,
> black, born NC in Jan.
> > In Elaine's compilation of the 1880 Census for
> Northampton Co, NC, HH
> > 74, Family 74, Gaston Twp., page 226, ED 181,
> enumerated 3 June, lists:
> > Love Portris, mul., male, age 50, married, farmer,
> cannot read and
> > write, NC, NC, NC; wife Mandy, mul., female, age
> 35, married, keeping
> > house, cannot read and write, NC, NC, NC; daughter
> Louise, mul., female,
> > age 20 [Bpn sees her age as 21], farm laborer,
> cannot read and write,
> > NC, NC, NC; daughter Sallie, mul., female, age 18,
> farm laborer, cannot
> > read and write, NC, NC, NC; son Harison?, mul.,
> male, age 12, farm
> > laborer, NC, NC, NC; daughter Bettie, mul.,
> female, age 9, NC, NC, NC;
> > daughter Riner, mul., female, age 7, NC, NC, NC;
> son Peter, mul., male,
> > age 2, NC, NC, NC; son-in-law Preston Scott, mul.,
> male, age 25,
> > married, cannot read and write, NC, NC, NC; gr.son
> Johnie Scott, male,
> > age 3, NC, NC, NC.
> >
> > Richard Plunk Poythress (d.1920) - marr Ada Turner
> (no dates)
> > Had children:
> > Charles Lee Poythress b.1869 (marr above cousin)
> > William Francis " b.1871 - marr Geneva Godwin
> > Jimmie b.1873
> > Richard b.1875
> > Indie b.1878
> > Jarrett b.1880
> > Beatrice b.1882
> > Robert b.1884
> > Sam b.1887
> > Mary b.1890
> > Jimmie b.1893 (twin of below)
> > Jennie Warren b.1893 (male; twin of above))
> >
> > As I recall, I believe there are photos of some of
> these folks on our
> > Poythress research website.
> >
> > Travelling all day tomorrow for a weekend trip
> where I won't be
> > emailing. Hope you have a good weekend.
> > BPN
> >
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Re: [POYTHRESS] John Lewis Poythress potential fatherBarbara NealSarah, how about it? I know you've studied all that more than I have.
Barbara

Bryan Poythress wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> What is the likelihood that the record in the 1850 NC
> census shown below is John Lewis Poythress?...		02/21/2007 3:39:33
Re: [POYTHRESS] Transcr: Division of Est of William Poythress 1777PGCo, VAMichael TutorGenration wise, the deceased William Poythress (1728-c. 1769) was the
grandson of John and Christian Poythress and the son of William Poythress
(1694-1763) and Sarah Epes (1702-1750). As to the children of William's (c.
1728-c. 1769) son, Benjamin Poythress (c. 1754-1789), I offer the
following, a virtual census based upon several facts that I had noticed
several years ago:

Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m
10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 16-25, 1 f 26-44.
Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William
Poythress 1765-c. 1810)
Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b.c. 1784
(possibly son of William & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b.c. 1785 (possibly
son of William & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Mary Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly
daughter of William & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b.c. 1794
(possibly son of William & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Elizabeth Poythress b. 1795-1800 b.c. 1800
(probably daughter of William & Elizabeth Poythress)
Benjamin Poythress b. 1800-1810 b.c. 1808
(probably son of Hardiman Poythress)
2 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly children of Hardiman Poythress)

In the 1810 census, Betty Poythress was none other than Elizabeth
(1770-after1810), the widow of William Poythress (1765-before 5/15/1810),
the son of Peter Poythress (1730-1787) and Elizabeth Bland (1733-1792).
Elizabeth and William Poythress had a daughter, Elizabeth, that was born
about 1800. She married Richard Marks.

William Poythress (1753-1794), son of Joshua Poythress (1720-1784) and Mary
Short (-c. 1788), and his wife, Mary Gilliam (c. 1764-before 1810), both
died quite young. Their children, Joshua, Thomas, Mary and William went to
live with their relative, Betty Poythress.

In the Prince George Records, Orders, 1811-1814, p. 142, Nov Court 1811,
"Nathaniel Marks, Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, is to pay
Elizabeth Poythress for benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman." I
believe that Hardiman Poythress (c. 1779-c. 1810) was one of the sons of
Benjamin Poythress (c. 1754-c. 1789). Hardiman Poythress died young and the
three males that were living with Betty Poythress were probably his, or at
least, Benjamin Poythress (1808-1865) was his. Benjamin, of course, would
have been named after his grandfather.

This is quite an interesting story. We have children and grandchildren of
three different deceased men, named William Poythress, living with Betty
Poythress. Of course, the census above is a "virtual census" since we all
know that prior to 1850 no names were listed for the other members of the
family.

Each William Poythress had a nice size estate at their death. Hopefully, we
will be able to find more of their paper trails. It was absolutely great to
see the estate document that Julie recently located.............Mike


> [Original Message]
> From: Barbara Neal
> To:
> Date: 2/20/2007 7:24:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Transcr: Division of Est of William Poythress
1777PGCo, VA
>
> Michael Tutor, perhaps you can address Pat's questions?
>
> Pat wrote:
> > Do we know the names of the sons of Benjamin Poythress, son of
> > William Poythress Jr. Am I correct that this is division of estate
> > of William Poythress JR?
> >
> > Pat
>
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[POYTHRESS] John Lewis Poythress potential fatherBryan PoythressHello all!

What is the likelihood that the record in the 1850 NC
census shown below is John Lewis Poythress?

Granville County, NC
HH 73 of Moritmer and Elizabeth Tanner, Abrams
Plains Dist., pg. 10, 11 Dec.
Poythress, John age 21, male, born VA

Also, is it possible (or probable) that he is the son
of Edward and Mahala (Mahaly) from the first record
below from the 1850 VA census. I am led to believe
this is the case by the second record below from 1860
NC census from the same area as the above record for
John, even though John is back in Mecklenberg VA in
the 1860 census (record 3)

1) 1850
HH 241 - Regiment 98, page 63, 27 Sept.
Poythress, Edward , age 52, male, laborer, born VA
, Mahala , age 47, female, born VA
, Sarah A. , age 18, female, born VA
, Harriet , age 16, female, born VA

2) 1860
Granville County
HH 645 - Abrams Plains Dist., page 393, 31 Aug.
Johnson, Rebecca, age 65, female, mul., born VA
Paithress, Edward, age 85,? female,? mul.,
overseer, value per. Est. 300, born VA
, Mahaly, age 53, female, born VA

3) 1860
Mecklenburg County, VA
HH 797 - 98th Regiment, page 318, 23 July
Poythress, John Lewis, age 29, male, farm labor,
$100 personal est., born VA
, Tabitha Ann, wife, age 22, born NC
, Joshua E., son, age 4, born VA
, Susan A., daughter, age 2, born VA
, Virginia L., daughter, age 1/12, born VA

Is it a justifiable conclusion that Edward is the
father of John, and if so, who are Edward's parents?

Bryan

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> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:43:27 -0700
> From: Barbara Neal
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] John Lewis Poythress potential
> father?
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> Hey Sarah, since you & I talked the other day, I
> still haven't had time
> to review the info re Edward Poythress that makes
> you feel Edward &
> Mahaly Poythress were not the parents of John Lewis.
>
> But I realized that we have indeed seen another
> potential "James" for
> being a father of John Lewis, and thus one that
> could fit in with the
> info Braxton put on that chart he prepared for that
> Summer 1978
> Poythress Reunion, that included info he told you he
> had gotten from his
> Aunt Alma.
>
> On the chart, he showed John Lewis Poythress born
> Mecklenburg Co, Aug
> 29, 1829 and died Feb 27, 1905, which as you & I
> were noticing was
> several years before his daughter Alma was born.
>
> He also showed John Lewis' father as "James
> Poythress, born Mecklenburg
> Co, VA 1805"
>
> This oother James Poythress, is one who indeed we've
> noted was born
> perhaps about 1805: He is the James P. Poythress
> who gets into records
> down in both Screven Co, GA and in Florida.
>
> We don't know the identity of his father, and we
> don't have any place of
> birth for James P Poythress, but he was in a number
> of nearby locations
> in GA & FL with George Poythress, who would likely
> have been kin, and
> who was a brother of Lewis Poythress. We assume
> James P Poythress was
> NOT a son of George, since we know that when George
> made his will 6 Apr
> 1829, he mentioned only his son John Carter
> Poythress and his daughter,
> Mary Elizabeth who married (1) Addison Mandell, and
> (2) William
> Cheeseborough, M.D.. In 1829, when George wrote his
> will, James P was
> still very much alive.
>
> I had guesstimated James' birthyear as 1805 based on
> him being a Mason
> in Gadsden County, Territory of Florida, before 24
> Jan 1828, when he
> helped form a new Masonic chapter by moving his
> membership there from
> Georgia.
>
> James P also got land, a year earlier, in 1827 in
> Gadsden Co, FL. In
> Womack's book on Gadsden County, Appendix 2,
> Gadsden County Original
> Land Patents 1826-1830, lists "J.P. Paythness" with
> the land described
> as E 1/2 SE 1/4 Sec 7 T2N R2W, with a date of 19 Feb
> 1827. Homestead
> application shows purchase by James P. Poythress
> from the Tallahassee
> Land Office, by Cash Entry Sale signed 1 June 1827,
> as shown on
> Certificate No. 1110, where the above description is
> more fully filled
> out as the East half of the South East quarter of
> Section Seven in
> Township Two North of Range Two West, 78 acres and
> 72/100 of an acre, in
> Gadsden Co, Territory of FL.
>
> We also know that James had been a guardian in
> Screven Co, GA. The
> little I know about the Screven Co, GA records comes
> from Jeannette
> Holland Austin's book Georgia Intestate Records. In
> her book on her
> p.177, is listed William Kelly, bound to James
> Poythress, per p.96 of
> Screven OM -- and her book's table of abbreviations
> shows this would be
> found in Screven Co, GA Minutes Court of Ordinary,
> Book I (1811-1829)
> Index ONLY, so we can't tell from this, when that
> entry could have been
> made in that 1811-1829 period.
>
> Austin also lists on her p.254 William Platt, with
> James Poythress, gdn
> (guardian) and him being released as gdn. These 2
> references are again
> from Screven OM, p.157 and the release on p.196.
> Again, since the
> Screven Co, GA Minutes Court of Ordinary, Book I
> (1811-1829) is an Index
> ONLY, we can't tell from this when these 2 entries
> could have been made
> in that 1811-1829 period.
>
> We don't have any specific age for James on any of
> these things, but
> another bit of info about him comes from the 1830
> Florida Territory
> Census for Gadsden Co, which researcher Kathy Best
> prepared in 1991 (for
> her client Bud Poythress). She showed the census
> listed him as J.P.
> Poythress, and indicated he was found on p.141 of
> the Census, having 6
> slaves and the following free white household
> members: 1 male age 5-10;
> 1 male age 10-15; 1 male age 20-30; 1 male age
> 30-40; 1 female under age
> 5; 1 female age 5-10; 1 female age 10-15; and 1
> female age 15-20. Of
> course which of those age groupings was him, and
> which were some other
> free white males, remains a mystery.
>
> Also from Womack's book on Gadsden Co, FL: the p.33
> article on Early
> Banking Economy discusses, in part, "The Union Bank
> of Florida, located
> in Tallahassee, was most accessible to the Middle
> Florida area and based
> on the same principle as the Bank of Florida.
> Receiving its charter from
> the Legislative Council on February 13, 1833... Two
> months later, April
> 10, 1833, the commissioners met to receive
> subscriptions of their
> capital stock. The following shares were subscribed
> to by various
> families of Gadsden County:... [including:]
> William Manner (sic; Maner) 300 Shares, 174
> Shares Secured
> J.P. Poythress 15 Shares; 6 Shares Secured
>
> James was also listed in the 1840 Florida Territory
> Census, again for
> Gadsden County, listed as James P. Poytheress (sic).
>
> James Poythress voted in Chattahoochee, Florida in
> the first statewide
> election in 1845. Brian E. Michaels' compilation of
> Florida Voters In
> Their First Statewide Election May 26, 1845, p.49,
> shows James Poythress
> as a voter in Chattahoochee, at the house of R.
> Scott.
>
> He got additional land, too in 1846 & 1848:
> - Records of the Tallahassee and Newnansville
> General Land Office,
> list James Poythrees (sic) Document No. 8871, dated
> 9 Jan 1846, listing
> 1/2 mile NW Steaphead, Gadsden Co. SE 1/4 NE 1/4
> Sec.12 Tp.3 R.2, N & W
> (i.e. T3N, R2W).
>
> - General Land Office, Bureau of Land Management
> records show land was
> purchased by James Poythress from the Tallahassee
> Land Office, by Cash
> Entry Sale signed 1 Nov 1848, as shown on
> Certificate No. 8871, the
> South East quarter of the Northeast quarter of
> Section Eighteen in
> Township Two North of Range Six West, 40 acres.
>
> We think our Florida participant in our DNA Study is
> a great-grandson of
> this James P Poythress. Hope this helps as you're
> studying DNA results.
>
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Transcr: Division of Est of William Poythress1777PGCo, VAPatThanks, Michael.

Since I am trying to see where my William Poythress fits in. You mayrecall
sending me an email in February 2006 as to whether my william Poythress of
Greensville co , VA could be related to Lewis (partial below)
Thanks again, Pat

----- Original Message -----

From: "Michael Tutor"

To: "Pat"

Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 12:16 PM

Subject: Re: William Poythress, of Greensville County, Virginia





Pat,

The only way that I can see William as a descendant of Lewis is
either as
son of Lewis or son of Edward by a first marriage. The biggest
problem I see
for William being Lewis' son is this deed where Lewis states
that Lewis Y.
and Thomas M. were his "two youngest sons": .........


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Tutor"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Transcr: Division of Est of William
Poythress1777PGCo, VA


> Genration wise, the deceased William Poythress (1728-c. 1769) was the
> grandson of John and Christian Poythress and the son of William Poythress
> (1694-1763) and Sarah Epes (1702-1750). As to the children of William's
> (c.
> 1728-c. 1769) son, Benjamin Poythress (c. 1754-1789), I offer the
> following, a virtual census based upon several facts that I had noticed
> several years ago:
>
> Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m
> 10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 16-25, 1 f 26-44.
> Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William
> Poythress 1765-c. 1810)
> Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b.c. 1784
> (possibly son of William & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
> Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b.c. 1785 (possibly
> son of William & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
> Mary Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly
> daughter of William & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
> William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b.c. 1794
> (possibly son of William & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
> Elizabeth Poythress b. 1795-1800 b.c. 1800
> (probably daughter of William & Elizabeth Poythress)
> Benjamin Poythress b. 1800-1810 b.c. 1808
> (probably son of Hardiman Poythress)
> 2 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
> (possibly children of Hardiman Poythress)
>
> In the 1810 census, Betty Poythress was none other than Elizabeth
> (1770-after1810), the widow of William Poythress (1765-before 5/15/1810),
> the son of Peter Poythress (1730-1787) and Elizabeth Bland (1733-1792).
> Elizabeth and William Poythress had a daughter, Elizabeth, that was born
> about 1800. She married Richard Marks.
>
> William Poythress (1753-1794), son of Joshua Poythress (1720-1784) and
> Mary
> Short (-c. 1788), and his wife, Mary Gilliam (c. 1764-before 1810), both
> died quite young. Their children, Joshua, Thomas, Mary and William went to
> live with their relative, Betty Poythress.
>
> In the Prince George Records, Orders, 1811-1814, p. 142, Nov Court 1811,
> "Nathaniel Marks, Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, is to pay
> Elizabeth Poythress for benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman."
> I
> believe that Hardiman Poythress (c. 1779-c. 1810) was one of the sons of
> Benjamin Poythress (c. 1754-c. 1789). Hardiman Poythress died young and
> the
> three males that were living with Betty Poythress were probably his, or at
> least, Benjamin Poythress (1808-1865) was his. Benjamin, of course, would
> have been named after his grandfather.
>
> This is quite an interesting story. We have children and grandchildren of
> three different deceased men, named William Poythress, living with Betty
> Poythress. Of course, the census above is a "virtual census" since we all
> know that prior to 1850 no names were listed for the other members of the
> family.
>
> Each William Poythress had a nice size estate at their death. Hopefully,
> we
> will be able to find more of their paper trails. It was absolutely great
> to
> see the estate document that Julie recently located.............Mike
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Barbara Neal
>> To:
>> Date: 2/20/2007 7:24:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Transcr: Division of Est of William Poythress
> 1777PGCo, VA
>>
>> Michael Tutor, perhaps you can address Pat's questions?
>>
>> Pat wrote:
>> > Do we know the names of the sons of Benjamin Poythress, son of
>> > William Poythress Jr. Am I correct that this is division of estate
>> > of William Poythress JR?
>> >
>> > Pat
>>
>>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress and beforeBarbara NealGood points, Bryan. Of course Michael Tutor's input will be quite
helpful to this, but my understanding is that what he put together was
only a "virtual" listing of all the "sightings" or the documentary items
he could find to date, listing out every Poythress item by item & year
by year, to come up with either a definitive link between father &
child, or if that was lacking, then a probability of which Poythress
descended from which. Michael has long asked for any additional
Poythress sightings any of us can find from other documents &
references, to help grow his virtual census of Poythresses.

Certainly the spread of ages & years you summarized would tend to
indicate an additional Poythress generation could have been in between
Francis 1 and Lewis. Glad to see you studying all this & prompting us to
think it all thru.
Cheers, Barbara

2/22/07 Bryan Poythress wrote:
> This may be a huge can of worms to open...		02/22/2007 4:04:56
Re: [POYTHRESS] John Lewis Poythress potential fatherSarah PoythressBryan, Barbara & All,
I have always thought that was John Lewis Poythress on the Granville Co, NC census. Even tho it doesn't have the L or Lewis in the midde other things fit. According to his obituary he was born in 1829 making him 21 years old in 1850. The same age as the John Poythress, born in VA listed on the 1850 census for Granville Co., NC.
Abrams Plaines is in northern Granville, Co. about 8 miles more or less from the VA line. I have very mixed feelings about Edward being John Lewis' father. My reasons
are 1) John was living in Granville Co. in 1850 & Edward was in Mecklenburg 2) John was in Mecklenburg with wife & children & Edward was in Granville 3) I have not found either one of them on any 1870 census 4) John & family on 1880 & 1890 census in Franklin Co., NC. 5) John Lewis died in 1905 so he would not have been on any more censes 6) Did not find Edward any more after 1870 7) Found is son George W. Poyetress ( the way it was spelled) and family on the Person Co., NC census
in 1870. It seemes like they would have stayed closer together ih they were father & son. Sarah		02/23/2007 10:35:16
Re: [POYTHRESS] Transcr: Division of Est of William Poythress 1777PGCo, VACrystal RoseIf Betey Poythress is in Prince Geo in 1810, then we have to contemplate who
Betsy Poythress of Northampton County NC is. She, too, is listed with 3
boys. A Hardyman Poythress is listed in 1790 in Northampton County, NC along
with Odam. If this is the one in the same, then he may have had 2
residences. Also, the NC Hardyman Poythress is bound with Seth Peebles (any
connection to the Christian Peebles line???) in Northampton County for his
brother John's estate. What do you think Michael? This man has driven me
nuts for years.

Crystal


On 2/21/07, Michael Tutor wrote:
>
> Genration wise, the deceased William Poythress (1728-c. 1769) was the
> grandson of John and Christian Poythress and the son of William Poythress
> (1694-1763) and Sarah Epes (1702-1750). As to the children of William's
> (c.
> 1728-c. 1769) son, Benjamin Poythress (c. 1754-1789), I offer the
> following, a virtual census based upon several facts that I had noticed
> several years ago:
>
> Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m
> 10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 16-25, 1 f 26-44.
> Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William
> Poythress 1765-c. 1810)
> Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b.c. 1784
> (possibly son of William & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
> Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b.c. 1785 (possibly
> son of William & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
> Mary Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly
> daughter of William & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
> William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b.c. 1794
> (possibly son of William & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
> Elizabeth Poythress b. 1795-1800 b.c. 1800
> (probably daughter of William & Elizabeth Poythress)
> Benjamin Poythress b. 1800-1810 b.c. 1808
> (probably son of Hardiman Poythress)
> 2 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
> (possibly children of Hardiman Poythress)
>
> In the 1810 census, Betty Poythress was none other than Elizabeth
> (1770-after1810), the widow of William Poythress (1765-before 5/15/1810),
> the son of Peter Poythress (1730-1787) and Elizabeth Bland (1733-1792).
> Elizabeth and William Poythress had a daughter, Elizabeth, that was born
> about 1800. She married Richard Marks.
>
> William Poythress (1753-1794), son of Joshua Poythress (1720-1784) and
> Mary
> Short (-c. 1788), and his wife, Mary Gilliam (c. 1764-before 1810), both
> died quite young. Their children, Joshua, Thomas, Mary and William went to
> live with their relative, Betty Poythress.
>
> In the Prince George Records, Orders, 1811-1814, p. 142, Nov Court 1811,
> "Nathaniel Marks, Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, is to pay
> Elizabeth Poythress for benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman."
> I
> believe that Hardiman Poythress (c. 1779-c. 1810) was one of the sons of
> Benjamin Poythress (c. 1754-c. 1789). Hardiman Poythress died young and
> the
> three males that were living with Betty Poythress were probably his, or at
> least, Benjamin Poythress (1808-1865) was his. Benjamin, of course, would
> have been named after his grandfather.
>
> This is quite an interesting story. We have children and grandchildren of
> three different deceased men, named William Poythress, living with Betty
> Poythress. Of course, the census above is a "virtual census" since we all
> know that prior to 1850 no names were listed for the other members of the
> family.
>
> Each William Poythress had a nice size estate at their death. Hopefully,
> we
> will be able to find more of their paper trails. It was absolutely great
> to
> see the estate document that Julie recently located.............Mike
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Barbara Neal
> > To:
> > Date: 2/20/2007 7:24:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Transcr: Division of Est of William Poythress
> 1777PGCo, VA
> >
> > Michael Tutor, perhaps you can address Pat's questions?
> >
> > Pat wrote:
> > > Do we know the names of the sons of Benjamin Poythress, son of
> > > William Poythress Jr. Am I correct that this is division of estate
> > > of William Poythress JR?
> > >
> > > Pat
> >
> >
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[POYTHRESS] John L Poythress father? & 1870-80 Census John L extraBarbara NealHi Sarah (as you see below, your message did make it thru to the list;
guess the message you got was just spurious electrons. I've noticed
before that late-night postings to the List seem to hit when RootsWeb is
doing maintenance type of stuff & messages are delayed)

Actually I interpret your points #1 and #2, Sarah, as making it MORE
likely that John Lewis & Edward were father & son, because when a family
has property responsibilities in 2 places, father & son may well have
alternated thru the years on which of them was taking care of which
place. This even applies whether they were the owner, or perhaps an
overseer for someone else taking care of the owner's property.

Noted genealogist Helen Leary has presented sessions I've heard about
how families went frequently & easily back & forth across the VA-NC line
for such reasons.

I had an opportunity recently to comb thru Heritage Quest's online
Census views for a while, and I found an 1870 listing in Nash Co, NC
that was not in Elaine's great Census compilations, and the name of
which, "John L Portis," was interesting, though this man is 9 years
older than John Lewis born in 1829, and with a different-named wife,
Jane W. He's in the same county as the fellow Elaine found &
transcribed as John W Porthis, but who HQ indexed as John W Portis.

This Nash Co, NC 1870 listing of John L Portis, also led me to find him
and John W Portis in the 1880 Census, still in Nash Co, NC. This is the
same year when we've already found John Lewis Poythress, still with wife
"T Ann" (Tabitha Ann), in Franklin Co, as your message noted.

So while this Nash County, NC John L Portis is NOT John Lewis Poythress,
I want to share these finds with the List, here in a message about John
L, in case this may prompt someone to offer help on him. I am intrigued
by this fellow's apparent marriage to a Taylor widow, or for some other
reason having Taylor children in the household.

If anyone recognized these folks, I'd love to hear about it. For what
it's worth, below are these new Census finds.
Barbara (BPN)

HQ indexed the 1870 one as:
PORTIS, JOHN L (1870 U.S. Census)
NORTH CAROLINA , NASH, WASHINGTON TWP
Age: 50, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: NC
Series: M593 Roll: 1150 Page: 130

Then when I went to that page, I found this John L on page 130-B, with
the household continued to the top of page 131-A, and with 4 "Taylor"
kids in the household. With those kids, it tends to indicate possibly a
marriage to a Taylor widow, or there being some other reason for having
Taylor children there. My transcription of the entire household:

Washington Township district of Nash Co, NC, Nashville P O, enumerated
on 17 Jun by W.H. Renfrew.
Dwelling 199, Family 209:
Portis, John L 50, m, w, Farmer, 100, 100, NC, cannot read or write,
male citizen of US over 21
, Jane [middle initial H? or W?] [In next census, clearly "H"] 49,
f, w, Keeping House, NC, cannot read or write
[Note: This hh is continued at top of next page, 131A where all the hh
children are surnamed Taylor:]
Taylor, Amanda 14, f, w, At Home, NC, attended school, cannot read or write
, William P 12, m, w, At Home, NC
, Sallie A 11, f, w, NC
, Frank 8, m, w, NC

1880 Nash County, NC: 2 Portis HHs found by Bpn and one neighboring
household with a Leonard surname, that I seem to recall being a surname
previously of interest to someone on Poythress List, maybe involving
some Leonard-surname possible-mother in some Poythress hh sometime?

As indexed by Heritage Quest:
PORTIS, JNO L (1880 U.S. Census)
NORTH CAROLINA , NASH, STONEY CREEK
Age: 61, Race: WHITE, Born: NC
Series: T9 Roll: 974 Page: 453 [subpage B]

Bpn transcribed it as follows, including the next-following hh also of
possible interest to some Poythress researcher:

Stony Creek Township of Nash Co, NC, enumerated on 25 & 26 June 1880 by
Redmund Bunn.
Dwelling 350, Family 351 [tick-mark in column for Street, no house number]:
Portis, Jno L w, m, 61, married, Farmer
, Jane H w, f, 61, wife, married

[& the next Dwelling 351, Family 352:]
Leonard, O H w, m, 26, married, Farmer
, L T w, f, 24, wife, married
, John w, m, 5, son

The 2nd Portis HH in 1880 Nash Co, NC was indexed by HQ as:
PORTIS, JOHN W. (1880 U.S. Census)
NORTH CAROLINA , NASH, ROCKY MOUNT
Age: 27, Race: WHITE, Born: NC
Series: T9 Roll: 974 Page: 562 [subpage A]

Bpn transcribed it as follows:
Page No.23, Supv District 2, Enum Distr 180, Rockymount Township of Nash
Co, NC, enumerated on 16 June by Buchanan Carter.
Dwelling 15, Family 15 [no Street listed, no house number]:
Portis, John W w, m, 27, married, Editor paper, NC, NC, NC
, Annie E w, f, 29, Wife, married, Keeping house, NC, NC, NC
, Johnnie w, m, 10, Son, single, at school, NC, NC, NC
, James w, m, 8, Son, single, attended school within the yr, NC, NC, NC
, Annie w, f, 3 Daughter, single, attended school within the yr, NC,
NC, NC
, Jeff w, m, 18, Brother, single, Printer, attended school within
the yr, NC, NC, NC



2/23/07 Sarah Poythress wrote:
> Bryan, Barbara & All, I have always thought that was John Lewis
> Poythress on the Granville Co, NC census. Even tho it doesn't have
> the L or Lewis in the midde other things fit. According to his
> obituary he was born in 1829 making him 21 years old in 1850. The
> same age as the John Poythress, born in VA listed on the 1850 census
> for Granville Co., NC.
>
> Abrams Plaines is in northern Granville, Co. about 8 miles more or
> less from the VA line. I have very mixed feelings about Edward being
> John Lewis' father. My reasons
>
> are 1) John was living in Granville Co. in 1850 & Edward was in
> Mecklenburg 2) John was in Mecklenburg with wife & children & Edward
> was in Granville 3) I have not found either one of them on any 1870
> census 4) John & family on 1880 & 1890 census in Franklin Co., NC.
> 5) John Lewis died in 1905 so he would not have been on any more
> censes 6) Did not find Edward any more after 1870 7) Found is son
> George W. Poyetress ( the way it was spelled) and family on the
> Person Co., NC census in 1870. It seemes like they would have stayed
> closer together ih they were father & son. Sarah		02/24/2007 2:37:32
[POYTHRESS] FW: HARDYMAN??From: "TINA PEDDIE"
To:
Subject: HARDYMAN??
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:43:27 +0000

> HELLO:
> I've seen your very nice Poythress website!
> Do you happen to know of a connection, on the JOHN HARDYMAN line, to my
> ancestor:
> THOMAS HARDEMAN, R.S., b. 1730 VA?? I desc. from his dtr, Winnie Hardeman....
> There are several of us trying to ascertain the father/parents of THOS.
> HARDEMAN. He had a son named Joseph, and several daughters.
> Thanks for any help,
> Tina		02/25/2007 5:45:45
Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 29Bryan PoythressNot to be argumentative, youve all been doing this
much longer than I. I would just like to offer my
thoughts on the matter. As for points 1 and 2, I
actually thought this information was not evidence of
a connection, but compelling enough to believe that
the two are father and son, especially given the fact
that both appear in Granville. As to point 3, I, of
course, cant explain why John Lewis doesnt show up
in the 1870, but there doesnt seem to be any
Poythress record from Granville where he was prior to,
or Franklin, where he is in the after as stated in
your point 4. You are spot on with point five, but the
1910 census in NC finds my direct line in Franklin
County, where I can follow them through the 1930
census. As to point 6, according to the information I
have seen, Edward had passed away before 1860 and
would not be recorded in the 1860 or 1870 censuses,
but if he is somewhere in 1860, Id like to know.
Finally, point 7, who is George W, how is he connected
to Edward and John Lewis, and where is Person County
NC?

Bryan

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>
> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: John Lewis Poythress potential father
> (Sarah Poythress)
> 2. John L Poythress father? & 1870-80 Census John
> L extra
> (Barbara Neal)
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:35:16 -0500
> From: "Sarah Poythress"
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] John Lewis Poythress
> potential father
> To:
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>
> Bryan, Barbara & All,
> I have always thought that was John Lewis Poythress
> on the Granville Co, NC census. Even tho it doesn't
> have the L or Lewis in the midde other things fit.
> According to his obituary he was born in 1829 making
> him 21 years old in 1850. The same age as the John
> Poythress, born in VA listed on the 1850 census for
> Granville Co., NC.
> Abrams Plaines is in northern Granville, Co. about 8
> miles more or less from the VA line. I have very
> mixed feelings about Edward being John Lewis'
> father. My reasons
> are 1) John was living in Granville Co. in 1850 &
> Edward was in Mecklenburg 2) John was in
> Mecklenburg with wife & children & Edward was in
> Granville 3) I have not found either one of them on
> any 1870 census 4) John & family on 1880 & 1890
> census in Franklin Co., NC. 5) John Lewis died in
> 1905 so he would not have been on any more censes
> 6) Did not find Edward any more after 1870 7)
> Found is son George W. Poyetress ( the way it was
> spelled) and family on the Person Co., NC census
> in 1870. It seemes like they would have stayed
> closer together ih they were father & son. Sarah
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:37:32 -0700
> From: Barbara Neal
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] John L Poythress father? &
> 1870-80 Census John L
> extra
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Message-ID: <45E069CC.8090906@earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii;
> format=flowed
>
> Hi Sarah (as you see below, your message did make it
> thru to the list;
> guess the message you got was just spurious
> electrons. I've noticed
> before that late-night postings to the List seem to
> hit when RootsWeb is
> doing maintenance type of stuff & messages are
> delayed)
>
> Actually I interpret your points #1 and #2, Sarah,
> as making it MORE
> likely that John Lewis & Edward were father & son,
> because when a family
> has property responsibilities in 2 places, father &
> son may well have
> alternated thru the years on which of them was
> taking care of which
> place. This even applies whether they were the
> owner, or perhaps an
> overseer for someone else taking care of the owner's
> property.
>
> Noted genealogist Helen Leary has presented sessions
> I've heard about
> how families went frequently & easily back & forth
> across the VA-NC line
> for such reasons.
>
> I had an opportunity recently to comb thru Heritage
> Quest's online
> Census views for a while, and I found an 1870
> listing in Nash Co, NC
> that was not in Elaine's great Census compilations,
> and the name of
> which, "John L Portis," was interesting, though this
> man is 9 years
> older than John Lewis born in 1829, and with a
> different-named wife,
> Jane W. He's in the same county as the fellow
> Elaine found &
> transcribed as John W Porthis, but who HQ indexed as
> John W Portis.
>
> This Nash Co, NC 1870 listing of John L Portis, also
> led me to find him
> and John W Portis in the 1880 Census, still in Nash
> Co, NC. This is the
> same year when we've already found John Lewis
> Poythress, still with wife
> "T Ann" (Tabitha Ann), in Franklin Co, as your
> message noted.
>
> So while this Nash County, NC John L Portis is NOT
> John Lewis Poythress,
> I want to share these finds with the List, here in a
> message about John
> L, in case this may prompt someone to offer help on
> him. I am intrigued
> by this fellow's apparent marriage to a Taylor
> widow, or for some other
> reason having Taylor children in the household.
>
> If anyone recognized these folks, I'd love to hear
> about it. For what
> it's worth, below are these new Census finds.
> Barbara (BPN)
>
> HQ indexed the 1870 one as:
> PORTIS, JOHN L (1870 U.S. Census)
> NORTH CAROLINA , NASH, WASHINGTON TWP
> Age: 50, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: NC
> Series: M593 Roll: 1150 Page: 130
>
> Then when I went to that page, I found this John L
> on page 130-B, with
> the household continued to the top of page 131-A,
> and with 4 "Taylor"
> kids in the household. With those kids, it tends to
> indicate possibly a
> marriage to a Taylor widow, or there being some
> other reason for having
> Taylor children there. My transcription of the
> entire household:
>
> Washington Township district of Nash Co, NC,
> Nashville P O, enumerated
> on 17 Jun by W.H. Renfrew.
> Dwelling 199, Family 209:
> Portis, John L 50, m, w, Farmer, 100, 100, NC,
> cannot read or write,
> male citizen of US over 21
> , Jane [middle initial H? or W?] [In next
> census, clearly "H"] 49,
> f, w, Keeping House, NC, cannot read or write
> [Note: This hh is continued at top of next page,
> 131A where all the hh
> children are surnamed Taylor:]
> Taylor, Amanda 14, f, w, At Home, NC, attended
> school, cannot read or write
> , William P 12, m, w, At Home, NC
> , Sallie A 11, f, w, NC
> , Frank 8, m, w, NC
>
> 1880 Nash County, NC: 2 Portis HHs found by Bpn and
> one neighboring
> household with a Leonard surname, that I seem to
> recall being a surname
> previously of interest to someone on Poythress List,
> maybe involving
> some Leonard-surname possible-mother in some
> Poythress hh sometime?
>
> As indexed by Heritage Quest:
> PORTIS, JNO L (1880 U.S. Census)
> NORTH CAROLINA , NASH, STONEY CREEK
> Age: 61, Race: WHITE, Born: NC
> Series: T9 Roll: 974 Page: 453 [subpage B]
>
> Bpn transcribed it as follows, including the
> next-following hh also of
> possible interest to some Poythress researcher:
>
> Stony Creek Township of Nash Co, NC, enumerated on
> 25 & 26 June 1880 by
> Redmund Bunn.
> Dwelling 350, Family 351 [tick-mark in column for
> Street, no house number]:
> Portis, Jno L w, m, 61, married, Farmer
> , Jane H w, f, 61, wife, married
>
> [& the next Dwelling 351, Family 352:]
> Leonard, O H w, m, 26, married, Farmer
> , L T w, f, 24, wife, married
> , John w, m, 5, son
>
> The 2nd Portis HH in 1880 Nash Co, NC was indexed by
> HQ as:
> PORTIS, JOHN W. (1880 U.S. Census)
> NORTH CAROLINA , NASH, ROCKY MOUNT
> Age: 27, Race: WHITE, Born: NC
> Series: T9 Roll: 974 Page: 562 [subpage A]
>
> Bpn transcribed it as follows:
> Page No.23, Supv District 2, Enum Distr 180,
> Rockymount Township of Nash
> Co, NC, enumerated on 16 June by Buchanan Carter.
> Dwelling 15, Family 15 [no Street listed, no house
> number]:
> Portis, John W w, m, 27, married, Editor paper, NC,
> NC, NC
> , Annie E w, f, 29, Wife, married, Keeping
> house, NC, NC, NC
> , Johnnie w, m, 10, Son, single, at school, NC,
> NC, NC
> , James w, m, 8, Son, single, attended school
> within the yr, NC, NC, NC
> , Annie w, f, 3 Daughter, single, attended
> school within the yr, NC,
> NC, NC
> , Jeff w, m, 18, Brother, single, Printer,
> attended school within
> the yr, NC, NC, NC
>
>
>
> 2/23/07 Sarah Poythress wrote:
> > Bryan, Barbara & All, I have always thought that
> was John Lewis
> > Poythress on the Granville Co, NC census. Even
> tho it doesn't have
> > the L or Lewis in the midde other things fit.
> According to his
> > obituary he was born in 1829 making him 21 years
> old in 1850. The
> > same age as the John Poythress, born in VA listed
> on the 1850 census
> > for Granville Co., NC.
> >
> > Abrams Plaines is in northern Granville, Co.
> about 8 miles more or
> > less from the VA line. I have very mixed
> feelings about Edward being
> > John Lewis' father. My reasons
> >
> > are 1) John was living in Granville Co. in 1850
> & Edward was in
> > Mecklenburg 2) John was in Mecklenburg with wife
> & children & Edward
> > was in Granville 3) I have not found either one
> of them on any 1870
> > census 4) John & family on 1880 & 1890 census in
> Franklin Co., NC.
> > 5) John Lewis died in 1905 so he would not have
> been on any more
> > censes 6) Did not find Edward any more after
> 1870 7) Found is son
> > George W. Poyetress ( the way it was spelled) and
> family on the
> > Person Co., NC census in 1870. It seemes like
> they would have stayed
> > closer together ih they were father & son. Sarah
>
>
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[POYTHRESS] John Lewis Poythress > Edward Poythress evidence (from List archives)Barbara NealThis message, Bryan, goes back to your original question of the
likelihood of John Lewis Poythress being a son of Edward Poythress.

In looking back, I see Lyn Poythress Baird's message of 31 Oct 2002 on
the subject of why he thinks John Lewis Poythress was son of Edward
Poythress. I've copied his original message below from our Poythress
List message archives. I also glanced thru the subject headings of the
messages from Nov 2002, and didn't see any that clearly looked like they
addressed the questions Lyn posed at the end of his message. Certainly
they could've been addressed sometime since then & a search on the name
could yield results.

As a reminder, anyone can go to our Poythress List's message archives
two ways.

1. To search for a particular name or any other keyword occurring in any
message. For that method, use this URL:
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=POYTHRESS
NOTE: if that URL wrapped in your message to where it is not all on one
line, you'll have to add the characters from the 2nd line to those in
the first line to get to the right place

2. To look thru messages chronologically, by month & year. For that
method, use this URL:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/POYTHRESS
NOTE: if that URL wrapped in your message to where it is not all on one
line, you'll have to add the characters from the 2nd line to those in
the first line to get to the right place

Links to both of those types of searches of the Message Archives are
available at the top of our Poythress research website, which is at
http://www.poythress.net/
when using Netscape for your browser. For some reason, for me, the link
doesn't show up when I use Microsoft Explorer as the browser.

Hope this helps.
Cheers, Barbara

= = = = =
To: Poythress List
From: "Lyn Baird"
Subject: John Lewis Poythress > Edward Poythress evidence
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:45:08 -0500

Pat, Barbara, Sarah and Elaine, I think the information you have
provided supports our theory that John Lewis Poythress is the son of
Edward and Mahaley Nance Poythress. When I piece together the evidence,
here's what I see:

1828 - Edward Poythress marries Mahala (Mahaley) Nance in Mecklenburg
Co., Virginia

1846 - Mortimer D. Tanner, son of Evans and Rebecca Tanner, marries
Elizabeth Walker in Mecklenburg Co., Virginia

1850 - Evans and Rebecca Tanner are next-door neighbors of Edward and
Mahaly Poythress in Mecklenburg Co., Virginia

1850 - John Poythress, born about 1829, lives in the home of Mortimer
and Elizabeth Tanner in Granville Co., North Carolina between 1850-1856
- (ca) John Lewis Poythress marries Tabitha Ann Nunn, jurisdiction unknown

1856 - Sarah A. V. Poythress, daughter of Edward and Mahaley Poythress,
marries German D. Redman in Mecklenburg Co., Virginia

1860 - John Lewis and Tabitha Poythress reside in Mecklenburg Co.,
Virginia, with their first three children

1860 - Edward and Mahaley Poythress, with adult daughter Elizabeth,
reside in Granville Co., North Carolina

1861 - George Y. Poythress marries Permelia S. Redman in Granville Co.,
North Carolina

At a minimum, we have as public record a John Poythress, of about the
same age as John Lewis Poythress, living in the home of the son of the
immediate neighbor of Edward and Mahaley Poythress. Correct?

My theory is that John Lewis Poythress, the eldest son of the poorer
neighbor (a laborer), hires out to the eldest son of the richer neighbor
(a merchant). John does alright and later his parents and siblings
George and Elizabeth follow the trail to Granville. John reverses
direction for a brief sojourn in Mecklenburg, but then returns to North
Carolina and settles for life. Brother George marries a near relative of
his sister's husband.

Oh yes, and it should also be noted that Edward named his first son
after his father, Lewis, and his prematurely deceased brother, John; and
his second son after his Uncle George.

Please does anyone have the age and parents of George Y. Poythress as
stated on the Granville marriage register? Does anyone have a marriage
of a Harriett Poythress, b. ca 1834, between 1850 and 1870?

Happy hunting,
Lyn Baird		02/26/2007 9:06:44
[POYTHRESS] Person Co, NC & how George W/Y fits inBarbara NealBryan, you asked: who is George W Poythress, how is he connected to
Edward Poythress and John Lewis Poythress, and where is Person County NC?

Well, Person Co is immediately west of Granville Co, NC & immediately
north of Durham. Roxboro is the county seat of Person Co, in case you
want a town to help find it on GoogleMaps

Your question re George goes back to a couple of omissions I just
noticed from your message of 21 Feb about John Lewis Poythress & Edward
Poythress. Both of these omissions were the final name in their
respective households, and unfortunately both were inadvertently left
off the Census records posted at our Poythress research website, but I
assure you I have seen both records, and the names I'm supplying here
ARE there in both of these two households.

(By the way, in 1850 George has no middle initial on the census, but he
is shown in some years' census records with "W" as a middle initial, and
I think in some with "Y" as a middle initial)

1850 Mecklenburg Co, VA Census
HH 241 - Regiment 98, page 63, 27 Sept.
Poythress, Edward , age 52, male, laborer, born VA
, Mahala , age 47, female, born VA
, Sarah A. , age 18, female, born VA
, Harriet , age 16, female, born VA
, George, age 12, male, born VA

1860 Granville County, NC [both of the questioned parts of Edward's line
are indeed shown that way by the Census-taker, who obviously messed up
indicating Edward as female, and I figure he likely messed up further
when he put the "m" in the next column when he probably was meaning to
correct the "f" to an "m" in the sex column]
HH 645 - Abrams Plains Dist., page 393, 31 Aug.
Johnson, Rebecca, age 65, female, mul., born VA
Paithress, Edward, age 85, ?female, ?mul overseer, pers est 300, b.VA
, Mahaly, age 53, female, b.VA
, Elizabeth, age 22, female, b.VA

Hope this helps. Cheers,
Barbara		02/26/2007 9:18:52
[POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Co, VA 1850 Census transcriptionBarbara NealThe transcription of the full 1850 Mecklenburg Co, VA Census is
available thanks to volunteer transcribers. To get to it, go to the
Virginia Rootsweb GenWeb webpage, which is:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~vagenweb/

There click on the quick-loading Links to Virginia Counties.

Then select Mecklenburg. There scroll down until you see a link in the
left column for Censuses.

From there you can select "1850" Note that there are 2 files for 1850,
with the first being 22nd District, and the second being 98th District.
All our Poythress names are in 98th District part of the county.

BPN		02/26/2007 9:19:55
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress-Crabb in VirginiaBarbara NealHi Nancy,
Sorry for this tardy (& not very helpful either) reply to your message
of Nov 8th. When I ran across your message today in the depths of my
email from a hectic Nov-Dec period, I had to stop & look up where
Westmoreland County was. I see it now along the Chesapeake Bay, &
learned it was formed in 1653 from Northumberland County, with part of
King George County added to it later. Your logic seems good that the
"Mary P" whom married Benedict Crabb was probably one of the numerous
females named Mary Poythress, but that name Mary was sure a popular one.

Have you found any sightings of Benedict Crabb anywhere before having
him in Westmoreland Co, VA around 1780? If so, in what county? Maybe
that will help us hone in on your Mary P.

Barbara

11/8/2006 nellanddudley@msn.com wrote:
> Dear All,
> I am, unfortunately, at a dead end on what appears to be a
> Westmoreland County, Virginia connection between the Poythress and
> Crabb families.
>
> Circa 1780, Benedict Crabb married Mary P. in Westmoreland County.
> Their children were: Hannah C., William Poythress, Benedict
> Middleton, Mary Poythress, and Jane. Of these children, Benedict
> Middleton Crabb had a son named William Poythress Crabb.
>
> The name is, as noted by other Poythress researchers, not common. It
> is highly likely that the Mary P. noted above was Mary Poythress.
> However, I can not locate a marriage record for Benedict Crabb and
> Mary P., and there do not appear to have been any Poythress family
> members living in Westmoreland County between 1780 and 1840. Mary P.
> would likely have been born about 1765 to 1770.
>
> Any suggestions that you might have for further research into a
> possible Poythress connection would be most sincerely appreciated.
>
> Best regards,
> Nancy Slater Thompson
> Huntingtown, MD		02/27/2007 12:12:18
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress-Crabb in VirginiaBarbara NealHi Nancy,
I'm not sure which all counties are the ones known as burned counties,
but even those counties have some records -- not everything burned,
since fires were at different times & affected parts of records.

Heaven knows there are lots of Williams I doubt if all of them have
even been distinguished from each other, much less tied to their lines.
Good luck with the Northern Neck search on Monday. If you find any
record that cites a connection to another county, please be sure to sing
out. So far, Crabb is a totally unfamiliar name to me.
Barbara

nancy thompson wrote:
> Hi, Barbara,
>
> Thanks for getting back to me. The Crabbs seem to go way back in
> Westmoreland County.
>
> 1. John Crabb married Temperance Gerrard in 1675. John left a will
> in 1691.
> 2. Their son, Osmond Crabb married Sarah Ocanny in 1698. Osmond left
> a will in 1719.
> 3. Their son, John Crabb married Jane Middleton before 1747. John
> left a will in 1779.
> 4. Their son, Benedict Crabb married Mary P. before 1785. Benedict
> died intestate in 1791. The estate papers name his wife and
> children. Unfortunately, they only provide her name as Mary P.
>
> All marriages and wills are from Westmoreland County.
>
> I have checked Richmond County as well as Essex County/Old Rappahanock
> with no luck. I spoke with the Northern Neck Historical Society and one
> of the staff believes that she recalls that there were Poythresses in
> Westmoreland County. So on Monday, I'm heading down there to see what I
> can find in their family files. I've done a thorough though not
> exhaustive search of wills, deeds and orders in Westmoreland, but
> suspect I will have to search harder. I have checked as many alternate
> spellings as I could devise, in part based on the archives for the
> Poythress mailing list. I need to check Northumberland records for
> numerous other ancestors, but I understand their records are in a rather
> sad state of disarray. Was King George one of the burned counties?
>
> Are there any "unclaimed" William Poythresses? I have this feeling that
> I'm looking for a William Poythress with a daughter, Mary: Mary named a
> son William Poythress Crabb despite the fact that this is not a Crabb
> family name and her other son, Benedict Middleton Crabb, named one of
> his sons William Poythress Crabb.
>
> I'm stuck on this one and will truly appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!
>
> Nancy
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Barbara Neal
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com, "Nancy Slater Thompson >"
>
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress-Crabb in Virginia
> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:12:18 -0700
> Hi Nancy,
> Sorry for this tardy (& not very helpful either) reply to your
> message of Nov 8th. When I ran across your message today in the
> depths of my email from a hectic Nov-Dec period, I had to stop &
> look up where Westmoreland County was. I see it now along the
> Chesapeake Bay, & learned it was formed in 1653 from Northumberland
> County, with part of King George County added to it later. Your
> logic seems good that the "Mary P" whom married Benedict Crabb was
> probably one of the numerous females named Mary Poythress, but that
> name Mary was sure a popular one.
>
> Have you found any sightings of Benedict Crabb anywhere before
> having him in Westmoreland Co, VA around 1780? If so, in what
> county? Maybe that will help us hone in on your Mary P.
>
> Barbara
>
> 11/8/2006 nellanddudley@msn.com wrote:
> > Dear All,
> > I am, unfortunately, at a dead end on what appears to be a
> > Westmoreland County, Virginia connection between the Poythress and
> > Crabb families.
> >
> > Circa 1780, Benedict Crabb married Mary P. in Westmoreland County.
> > Their children were: Hannah C., William Poythress, Benedict
> > Middleton, Mary Poythress, and Jane. Of these children, Benedict
> > Middleton Crabb had a son named William Poythress Crabb.
> >
> > The name is, as noted by other Poythress researchers, not common. It
> > is highly likely that the Mary P. noted above was Mary Poythress.
> > However, I can not locate a marriage record for Benedict Crabb and
> > Mary P., and there do not appear to have been any Poythress family
> > members living in Westmoreland County between 1780 and 1840. Mary P.
> > would likely have been born about 1765 to 1770.
> >
> > Any suggestions that you might have for further research into a
> > possible Poythress connection would be most sincerely appreciated.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Nancy Slater Thompson
> > Huntingtown, MD
>		02/28/2007 3:07:43
[POYTHRESS] Surry Co, VA; James & Blackwater RiversBarbara NealBelow is an interesting quote that helps put into perspective some of
our ancestors' topography, and mentions the Blackwater, name of which
appears in some deeds of & mentioning Poythress folks. The two sentences
below are from the reprint in the Dec 2005 "Newsletter of The Surry
County, Virginia Historical Society And Museums, Inc," of a serialized
article written in the early 1900s (undated, but events in article
happened about 1902-1906). A current member of the Society found, in the
papers of his grandfather A.W. Bohannon, a preliminary revisions draft &
a typed 2nd copy of the serialized article; when it was reprinted in the
Dec 2005 Newsletter, it was unknown what publication it was done for, or
who wrote it. I'm not sure whether anyone has been able to enlighten the
Society re who wrote it, or for what, since Dec 2005.

"...A home on the James in Surry County would be but sixty miles from
Richmond, the capital of the State and the seat of its wealth and
culture, and a shorter distance from Norfolk and Newport News. ...
Running across it [Surry County], from east to west, is a slight rise
which forms a watershed of moderate declivity, the streams on the north
flowing into the James, and those on the south flowing into the
Blackwater, which forms a portion of the southwestern border of the county."		03/08/2007 1:03:17
back on listTeresa WillisHello Everyone,
I'm back on the list after about 2 years. So I have a few questions and I
owe an apology to you all for such a sudden departure. I had a lot of
family problems that had to be taken care of and after that started
babysitting. All of this left me unable to do any research so I just forgot
about it until I could get back to hitting libraries and such. So first of
all, is Lyn still on the list? And if so can you get me caught up a little
on where we are on our line. Have we moved past Lewis?
Also was looking at some of my old notes and have a few questions. Who
knows of a Thomas Poythres that would have been old enough to be a planter
in 1637.
I have a copy out of book from Brunswick Co library:
"26 March, (1637) Governor Harvey has set up a commission consisting of John
Chew, Thomas Stegg, Thomas Burbage and George Ludlowe, merchants, to examine
the complaint of Laurence Evans, merchant, against abuses,committed by his
factor Thomas Poythres, a planter of Virginia."

Is this Francis son Thomas on Batte's chart? Or does anyone know?

And one of the last times I went to library, I found this:
Thomas Poythress born 1640abt. Charles City Co.
Burial -Brunswick
Father to:
George
Thomas
Edward
William
Lewis
Have we found out about this guy, because I came across him more than once,
but when I was on before, no one had any evidence about him?

Well that's all for now, hope I can get caught up. Is Sarah still on list?
Sorry to be a pain,
Teresa Willis
>		03/13/2007 7:22:24
[POYTHRESS] DNABarbara NealTo those of you who've gotten an email from FamilyTreeDNA about a match
based on 23, 24, or 25 of a 25-marker test:

This is only the first part of results from the 67-marker test submitted
by Thomas (a known descendant of Lewis Poythress) in early February. I
will wait until all 67 markers' results are available, before I post his
results to Ysearch.org, where they can be compared to our other Study
participants.

Cheers,
Barbara		03/15/2007 5:15:15
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress & Childs/Chiles in Greensville Co, VACrystal RoseJulia Poythress' son James W. was married in Northampton County NC to
Rebecca High. They were married 29 Nov 1870 and it looks like it was a James
Brewer that married them. The marriage cert if slightly difficult to read.

I've often wondered about this Julia. I do know that the Brewer line has
close ties to the Poythress of Northampton County. Could she be one of mine?


On 3/16/07, Barbara Neal wrote:
>
> Re my other message just now, I was interested to see that info sent by
> Ray Sasser about the 1860 Childs-Welton marriage conducted at the home
> of Lewis Y Poythress in Greensville County, Virginia (copied in my other
> email message today about Greensville Co, VA), because we've seen in
> Census records for both 1860 & 1870 the presence of "Chiles" members of
> Lewis Y's household.
>
> That 1860 marriage at Lewis Y's house doesn't necessarily indicate any
> kinship between Lewis Y's family and the Childs-Welton couple marrying
> there, but it gives more understanding to how close was the
> friendship/neighborly relationship between Lewis Y's household and the
> Childs/Chiles family.
>
> We know that Lewis Y Poythress & Mary C Ferguson were married in
> Mecklenburg County, Virginia, on 9 Apr 1802 by minister James Meacham.
> We don't know what Mary's middle initial of "C" stands for -- perhaps
> Chiles/Childs?
>
> In looking back at John Vogt's book of Greensville County Marriages
> 1781-1853, from the Virginia Historic Marriage Register, there was only
> one marriage for a Childs/Chiles -- an 1830 marriage that appears to be
> at least the father, and likely both parents, of the 1860 groom (since
> that 1860 marriage record reported by Ray Sasser named groom Thomas J
> Childs' parents as Thomas R & Sarah Chiles, and since Sally is a
> nickname for Sarah). This looks like Sally/Sarah could well be a
> relative of Lewis Y's wife Mary C Ferguson:
> Thomas R Chiles & Sally M Furgason 24 May 1830, bondsman James H
> Walker
>
> Census:
> I looked again at census records of 1860 & 1870 not only for Lewis Y but
> also for other apparent-Poythresses spelled alternately. We find among
> Lewis Y's 1860 neighbors the September 1860 groom who was married at
> Lewis Y's house, Thomas Childs.
>
> Below I'm including all the "POTIS" people found in Greensville Co, VA
> in 1860, because 10 yrs earlier in the 1850 Census, the surname for
> William & Julia Potis was spelled PORTRESS, and in 1870 her surname was
> spelled PORTRASS. One possibility is that Malinda Potis (estimated at
> age 60 in 1860), and Minerva Potis (then listed as age 16) & infant John
> Potis, may have been related to William & Julia Potis/ Portress/
> Portrass/ Poythress. In 1870 the surname of Minerva (then listed as age
> 30) is spelled Poytress.
>
> There are also Porch families living near many of these Poythresses, but
> I'm not reaching as far as Porches for our surname.
>
> I noticed, by the way, in the 1870 census that two Ferguson households
> (the maiden name of Lewis Y's wife Mary C) are on the same page with
> Minerva Poytress.
>
> In the household of William & Julia Potis(1860)/ Portress(1850)/
> Portrass(1870)/ Poythress we find, in 1860 & 1870, an older woman whose
> name seems to be Martha Brewer. Both Martha Brewer & Julia were shown in
> 1860 as born in NC (and both women were shown in 1870 as born in VA).
> Possibly Brewer was Julia's mother & was thus perhaps Julia's maiden
> name. Another note re spelling of Julia's name: One of our Poythress
> researchers found her own ancestor, the young daughter of William and
> Julia, who that researcher called Martha Jane, shown as "M.J. Poythress"
> when she married Edward O'Neal (or Neal, depending on reading of the
> handwriting) in Greensville County on 12 March 1880. In that record
> M.J's age was listed as 22 and her parent-listing only showed mother
> "Julia Poythress."
>
> IF Julia & William married in NC before living in Greensville Co, VA,
> it's possible that a check of their NC marriage bond would show Julia's
> parents' names as well as her maiden name. I know that, at least in some
> years, parents' names were shown in NC for both brides and grooms.
>
> 1860 Census:
> For 1860 all the columns for "Color (White, Black, or Mulatto)" are
> blank, thus indicating White, unless otherwise noted below.
>
> 1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Ryland's Depot Post Office, p.591,
> enum 30 July by Jesse Jarratt
> 236 dwelling, 236 family:
> Nancy Roberts, age 49 female, Black, Common Laborer, b.VA
> Joseph Roberts, age 19 male, Mulatto, Common Laborer [dittoed], b.VA
> Minerva Potis, age 16 female, Mulatto, b.VA
> John " age 6/12 male, Mulatto, b.VA
>
> 1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Post Office, p.600,
> enum 6 Aug by Jesse Jarratt
> 309 dwelling, 309 family:
> (NOTE: 10 yrs earlier, in the 1850 Census, the surname spelling for this
> entry's William and Julia Potis was spelled PORTRESS)
> William Potis, age 33 male, Saw Milling, pers prop 75, b.VA
> Julia " age 29 female, b.NC
> James " age 8 male, b.VA
> Joseph " age 7 male, b.VA
> Thomas " age 5 male, b.VA
> Jane " age 4 female, b.VA
> Benjamin " age 1 male, b.VA
> Martha Brewer age 50 female, b.NC
>
> 1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Post Office, p.600,
> 310 dwelling, 310 family, enum 6 Aug by Jesse Jarratt
> (NOTE: only one person in household)
> Thomas Chiles, male age 28, Attends to Mill, b.VA
>
> I include this next household, between Chiles & Lewis Y, figuring from
> the value of this man's property, he could well be the person Lewis Y
> was serving as Overseer:
> 1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Post Office, p.600,
> enum 6 Aug by Jesse Jarratt
> 311 dwelling, 311 family:
> James W. Cook, age 38 male, Farmer, real prop 177,000; pers prop
> 260,000; b.VA
> Fannie M. Cook [dittoed surname], age 26 [or 24?] female, b.VA
> Hart " age 15 female, b.VA, attended school
> Ellna " age 14 female, b.VA, attended school
> Watkins " age 5 male, b.VA
> John Y " age 4 male, b.VA
> Lewis " age 2 male, b.VA
> Page " age 1 male, b.VA
> George M " age 1/12 male, b.VA
> Sallie G " age 70 female, b.VA
> William F Hunt, age 26 male, Collector, pers prop 100, b.VA
>
> 1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Post Office, p.600, enum 6
> Aug by Jesse Jarratt
> 312 dwelling, 312 family:
> Lewis Y Poythress, age 40 male, Overseer, pers prop 50, b.VA
> Mary C. " age 50 female, b.VA
> Nancy A. Chiles, age 20 female, b.VA
> [NOTE the above 3 lines are at the bottom of a page; at the top of the
> next page, p.601, the same household continues as follows; at top of
> page it shows enum 8 Aug by Jesse Jarratt]
> (1st line is blank with no name or info)
> (2nd line is blank with no name or info)
> (3rd line is blank with no name or info)
> Elizabeth Chiles, age 15 female, b.VA
> [On the next line begins dwelling 313, family 313]
>
> Nine pages further, still in the Hicksford area is Malinda Potis
> apparently living in the county's poor house:
> 1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Post Office, p.609, enum
> 13 Aug by Jesse Jarratt
> 363 dwelling, 363 family [though note info about "houses" near bottom of
> this entry & note that following entry is 368 dwelling & family]:
> [NOTE: the first 4 lines of this household show the person as "Pauper"
> and then the next 7 lines are bracketed as "Poor House" to the left of
> the names. Below Cain is a blank line, followed by two more lines
> bearing the Census-taker's explanation on 2 more lines re how many
> houses of this entry 363 were occupied & unoccupied; thus apparently in
> this county's poor house, one dwelling perhaps was occupied by the four
> Sturdivants, one perhaps occupied by Malinda Potis & the Hogwoods, and
> one by Cain, with one unoccupied dwelling]
> Ann Sturdivant, age 42 estimated, female, Pauper b.VA
> Lucy " age 12 female, Pauper b.VA
> Rose " age 10 female, Mulatto, Pauper b.VA
> Sallie " age 3 female, Pauper b.VA
> Malinda Potis, age 60 estimated, female, b.VA, cannot read & write
> Nancy Hogwood, age 40 female, b.VA, cannot read & write, Lunatic
> Ann E " age 40 female, b.VA
> Andrew Cain, age 83 male, Black, b.VA
> (blank line; no info on it)
> [Census-taker's notation:] 3 houses occupied
> [Census-taker's notation:] 1 house unoccupied
>
>
> 1870 Census:
>
> 1870 Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Township, Poplar Mount Post
> Office, p.356-B, enum 30 June by O.H. Burull(sp?)
> 129 Dwelling, 126 Family
> Portrass, Julia, age 40 female, White, pauper, b.VA, cannot read, cannot
> write
> Brirr(sp?), Martha, age 65 female, White, pauper, b.VA, cannot read,
> cannot write [Note: perhaps the Census-taker was trying to spell Brewer
> for Martha's surname? His handwriting is awful, making even the county
> name at the top of the pages difficult to read. Elaine transcribed
> Martha's surname as "?Burr"]
> Portrass, Martha A, age 6 female, White, b.VA
>
> Enumerated later, some pages apart from the above page & in a different
> township, though using the same post office:
>
> 1870 Greensville County, VA, Belfield Township, Poplar Mount Post
> Office, stamped p.323-B, enum 10? or 20? July by O.H. Burull(sp?)
> 197 Dwelling, 180 Family:
> Poythress, Lewis, age 51 male, White, Farmer, no property values listed,
> b.VA, cannot read, cannot write, Male Citizen of US 21 yrs & up
> Poythress [surname dittoed], Mary, age 60 female, White, Keeping house,
> b.VA, cannot read, cannot write
> Childs, Ann, age 28 female, White, b.VA
>
> Enumerated later, some pages apart from the above page & in a different
> township, though again using the same post office:
>
> 1870 Greensville County, VA, Zion Township, Poplar Mount Post Office,
> p.384, enum 18 Aug by O.H. Burull(sp?)
> 51 Dwelling, 53 Family:
> Teller (or Tiller), Tucker age 21 male, Black, Farm Laborer, b.VA,
> cannot read, cannot write, Male Citizen of US 21 yrs & up
> Poytress, Minerva age 30 female, Mulatto, Farm Laborer, b.VA, cannot
> read, cannot write
>
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress & Childs/Chiles in Greensville Co, VABarbara NealHey Crystal - good to hear from you. I don't remember hearing of that
marriage of James W Poythress & Rebecca High before. Does it show Julia
as his parent? I sure would appreciate a chance to see a scan of that
marriage certificate.

Can you refresh my memory of your Poythress ggrandmother's first name?
Thanks,
Barbara



03/16/2007 4:57:02
[POYTHRESS] Greensville Co, VA Poythress sitingsBarbara NealRay Sasser of Emporia, VA has published several books on Greensville
County, Virginia helpful to genealogists. In recent letters with him, he
sent me the below information on our Poythress name, and he has
graciously given me permission to share the below with our List.

Note that the bottom item included as shown both spellings of Chiles &
Childs.

With much thanks to Ray Sasser, here is what he sent.
Cheers, Barbara
= = =
There are only a few references to Poythress in both Greensville County,
Virginia Will Book 1 and 2, and these offer no family connections. The
references are so few, I'll give them to you here:

Greensville Co, VA Will Book 1: 51-57 The will of James Mason, wr. 27
January 1784, pr. 25 March 1784. Includes instruction that THOMAS
POYTHRESS "of whom I purchased a piece of Land near the Westward Ford
Meherrin...[is to] convey the said Land by Deed to [my brother] William
Mason"

Greensville Co, VA Will Book 1: 127-129 The will of William Batte, wr.
23 March 1789, pr. 23 April 1789, "to my Son William Batte, my land in
Prince George County, lying on Southerly Run, joining James Cureton,
ELIZABETH POYTHRESS, and John Batte"

Greensville Co, VA Will Book 2: 176-181 Estate Accounts of William
Batte, deceased, 1789-1809, James Batte and William Batte, exors.
Includes a payment from WILLIAM POYTHRESS

Also, from the marriage records, note that Thomas J. Childs married
Martha E. Welton on 6 September 1860 at the home of LEWIS Y. POYTHRESS;
the minister was John K. Littleton of the Methodist Episcopal Church
South. The groom was age 28, single, born Greensville, resident of
Greensville, parents Thomas R. and Sarah Chiles, occupation farmer. The
bride was age 19, single, born Greensville, resident of Greensville,
parents Benjamin A. and Sarah E. Welton. Witness George W. Cardwell.
License issued 6 Sept. 1860. (ref.: loose papers, Greensville Clerks Office)		03/16/2007 10:36:27
[POYTHRESS] Poythress & Childs/Chiles in Greensville Co, VABarbara NealRe my other message just now, I was interested to see that info sent by
Ray Sasser about the 1860 Childs-Welton marriage conducted at the home
of Lewis Y Poythress in Greensville County, Virginia (copied in my other
email message today about Greensville Co, VA), because we've seen in
Census records for both 1860 & 1870 the presence of "Chiles" members of
Lewis Y's household.

That 1860 marriage at Lewis Y's house doesn't necessarily indicate any
kinship between Lewis Y's family and the Childs-Welton couple marrying
there, but it gives more understanding to how close was the
friendship/neighborly relationship between Lewis Y's household and the
Childs/Chiles family.

We know that Lewis Y Poythress & Mary C Ferguson were married in
Mecklenburg County, Virginia, on 9 Apr 1802 by minister James Meacham.
We don't know what Mary's middle initial of "C" stands for -- perhaps
Chiles/Childs?

In looking back at John Vogt's book of Greensville County Marriages
1781-1853, from the Virginia Historic Marriage Register, there was only
one marriage for a Childs/Chiles -- an 1830 marriage that appears to be
at least the father, and likely both parents, of the 1860 groom (since
that 1860 marriage record reported by Ray Sasser named groom Thomas J
Childs' parents as Thomas R & Sarah Chiles, and since Sally is a
nickname for Sarah). This looks like Sally/Sarah could well be a
relative of Lewis Y's wife Mary C Ferguson:
Thomas R Chiles & Sally M Furgason 24 May 1830, bondsman James H Walker

Census:
I looked again at census records of 1860 & 1870 not only for Lewis Y but
also for other apparent-Poythresses spelled alternately. We find among
Lewis Y's 1860 neighbors the September 1860 groom who was married at
Lewis Y's house, Thomas Childs.

Below I'm including all the "POTIS" people found in Greensville Co, VA
in 1860, because 10 yrs earlier in the 1850 Census, the surname for
William & Julia Potis was spelled PORTRESS, and in 1870 her surname was
spelled PORTRASS. One possibility is that Malinda Potis (estimated at
age 60 in 1860), and Minerva Potis (then listed as age 16) & infant John
Potis, may have been related to William & Julia Potis/ Portress/
Portrass/ Poythress. In 1870 the surname of Minerva (then listed as age
30) is spelled Poytress.

There are also Porch families living near many of these Poythresses, but
I'm not reaching as far as Porches for our surname.

I noticed, by the way, in the 1870 census that two Ferguson households
(the maiden name of Lewis Y's wife Mary C) are on the same page with
Minerva Poytress.

In the household of William & Julia Potis(1860)/ Portress(1850)/
Portrass(1870)/ Poythress we find, in 1860 & 1870, an older woman whose
name seems to be Martha Brewer. Both Martha Brewer & Julia were shown in
1860 as born in NC (and both women were shown in 1870 as born in VA).
Possibly Brewer was Julia's mother & was thus perhaps Julia's maiden
name. Another note re spelling of Julia's name: One of our Poythress
researchers found her own ancestor, the young daughter of William and
Julia, who that researcher called Martha Jane, shown as “M.J. Poythress”
when she married Edward O’Neal (or Neal, depending on reading of the
handwriting) in Greensville County on 12 March 1880. In that record
M.J's age was listed as 22 and her parent-listing only showed mother
“Julia Poythress.”

IF Julia & William married in NC before living in Greensville Co, VA,
it's possible that a check of their NC marriage bond would show Julia's
parents' names as well as her maiden name. I know that, at least in some
years, parents' names were shown in NC for both brides and grooms.

1860 Census:
For 1860 all the columns for "Color (White, Black, or Mulatto)" are
blank, thus indicating White, unless otherwise noted below.

1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Ryland's Depot Post Office, p.591,
enum 30 July by Jesse Jarratt
236 dwelling, 236 family:
Nancy Roberts, age 49 female, Black, Common Laborer, b.VA
Joseph Roberts, age 19 male, Mulatto, Common Laborer [dittoed], b.VA
Minerva Potis, age 16 female, Mulatto, b.VA
John " age 6/12 male, Mulatto, b.VA

1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Post Office, p.600,
enum 6 Aug by Jesse Jarratt
309 dwelling, 309 family:
(NOTE: 10 yrs earlier, in the 1850 Census, the surname spelling for this
entry's William and Julia Potis was spelled PORTRESS)
William Potis, age 33 male, Saw Milling, pers prop 75, b.VA
Julia " age 29 female, b.NC
James " age 8 male, b.VA
Joseph " age 7 male, b.VA
Thomas " age 5 male, b.VA
Jane " age 4 female, b.VA
Benjamin " age 1 male, b.VA
Martha Brewer age 50 female, b.NC

1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Post Office, p.600,
310 dwelling, 310 family, enum 6 Aug by Jesse Jarratt
(NOTE: only one person in household)
Thomas Chiles, male age 28, Attends to Mill, b.VA

I include this next household, between Chiles & Lewis Y, figuring from
the value of this man's property, he could well be the person Lewis Y
was serving as Overseer:
1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Post Office, p.600,
enum 6 Aug by Jesse Jarratt
311 dwelling, 311 family:
James W. Cook, age 38 male, Farmer, real prop 177,000; pers prop
260,000; b.VA
Fannie M. Cook [dittoed surname], age 26 [or 24?] female, b.VA
Hart " age 15 female, b.VA, attended school
Ellna " age 14 female, b.VA, attended school
Watkins " age 5 male, b.VA
John Y " age 4 male, b.VA
Lewis " age 2 male, b.VA
Page " age 1 male, b.VA
George M " age 1/12 male, b.VA
Sallie G " age 70 female, b.VA
William F Hunt, age 26 male, Collector, pers prop 100, b.VA

1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Post Office, p.600, enum 6
Aug by Jesse Jarratt
312 dwelling, 312 family:
Lewis Y Poythress, age 40 male, Overseer, pers prop 50, b.VA
Mary C. " age 50 female, b.VA
Nancy A. Chiles, age 20 female, b.VA
[NOTE the above 3 lines are at the bottom of a page; at the top of the
next page, p.601, the same household continues as follows; at top of
page it shows enum 8 Aug by Jesse Jarratt]
(1st line is blank with no name or info)
(2nd line is blank with no name or info)
(3rd line is blank with no name or info)
Elizabeth Chiles, age 15 female, b.VA
[On the next line begins dwelling 313, family 313]

Nine pages further, still in the Hicksford area is Malinda Potis
apparently living in the county's poor house:
1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Post Office, p.609, enum
13 Aug by Jesse Jarratt
363 dwelling, 363 family [though note info about "houses" near bottom of
this entry & note that following entry is 368 dwelling & family]:
[NOTE: the first 4 lines of this household show the person as "Pauper"
and then the next 7 lines are bracketed as "Poor House" to the left of
the names. Below Cain is a blank line, followed by two more lines
bearing the Census-taker's explanation on 2 more lines re how many
houses of this entry 363 were occupied & unoccupied; thus apparently in
this county's poor house, one dwelling perhaps was occupied by the four
Sturdivants, one perhaps occupied by Malinda Potis & the Hogwoods, and
one by Cain, with one unoccupied dwelling]
Ann Sturdivant, age 42 estimated, female, Pauper b.VA
Lucy " age 12 female, Pauper b.VA
Rose " age 10 female, Mulatto, Pauper b.VA
Sallie " age 3 female, Pauper b.VA
Malinda Potis, age 60 estimated, female, b.VA, cannot read & write
Nancy Hogwood, age 40 female, b.VA, cannot read & write, Lunatic
Ann E " age 40 female, b.VA
Andrew Cain, age 83 male, Black, b.VA
(blank line; no info on it)
[Census-taker's notation:] 3 houses occupied
[Census-taker's notation:] 1 house unoccupied


1870 Census:

1870 Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Township, Poplar Mount Post
Office, p.356-B, enum 30 June by O.H. Burull(sp?)
129 Dwelling, 126 Family
Portrass, Julia, age 40 female, White, pauper, b.VA, cannot read, cannot
write
Brirr(sp?), Martha, age 65 female, White, pauper, b.VA, cannot read,
cannot write [Note: perhaps the Census-taker was trying to spell Brewer
for Martha's surname? His handwriting is awful, making even the county
name at the top of the pages difficult to read. Elaine transcribed
Martha's surname as "?Burr"]
Portrass, Martha A, age 6 female, White, b.VA

Enumerated later, some pages apart from the above page & in a different
township, though using the same post office:

1870 Greensville County, VA, Belfield Township, Poplar Mount Post
Office, stamped p.323-B, enum 10? or 20? July by O.H. Burull(sp?)
197 Dwelling, 180 Family:
Poythress, Lewis, age 51 male, White, Farmer, no property values listed,
b.VA, cannot read, cannot write, Male Citizen of US 21 yrs & up
Poythress [surname dittoed], Mary, age 60 female, White, Keeping house,
b.VA, cannot read, cannot write
Childs, Ann, age 28 female, White, b.VA

Enumerated later, some pages apart from the above page & in a different
township, though again using the same post office:

1870 Greensville County, VA, Zion Township, Poplar Mount Post Office,
p.384, enum 18 Aug by O.H. Burull(sp?)
51 Dwelling, 53 Family:
Teller (or Tiller), Tucker age 21 male, Black, Farm Laborer, b.VA,
cannot read, cannot write, Male Citizen of US 21 yrs & up
Poytress, Minerva age 30 female, Mulatto, Farm Laborer, b.VA, cannot
read, cannot write		03/16/2007 10:37:07
[POYTHRESS] 3/07 Update on DNA Poythress/Poytress Surname StudyBarbara NealDear Poythress-List email subscribers & DNA Study participants,

Today we got the results from the 67-marker test for our 16th
participant in our Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study (a known
descendant of Lewis Poythress, who lived from about 1771 to about 1846
in Mecklenburg County, VA.). As I've mentioned before, we've used the
67-marker test for all except our one participant who is not in
Haplogroup R1b1.

Briefly, our latest participant's results are identical to one other
descendant of Lewis, and are very similar to most of our other Study
participants in the R1b1 Haplogroup.

The full results for all our participants are now posted at the
"Ysearch" website:
www.ysearch.org

As a reminder, you can see how similar our Poythress Y-DNA results are,
by using Ysearch, as follows:

1. go to the website: http://www.ysearch.org

2. at top go to: Search by Last Name

3. Type in Poythress & hit Enter

4. At the resulting "Records Found" box, click on the "16"

5. In the resulting list of the 16, you can do several things. One thing
you may want to do first is to get to the different participants'
individual pages by clicking on their respective "User ID" and at the
resulting page scroll down to the bottom to see who their ancestor was.

6. Back at the resulting list of the 15 referred to in #5 above,
click on the "Check All" link above the left-most column (or
alternatively, if you want to leave out one or more, check off the
left-most box of each line you wish to compare). You'll find that the
results are quite different for the one participant who is not shown as
being in Haplogroup R1b1 in one of the right-side columns of the listing
of participants.

7. At the top of that left column, click on the red word "Compare"

8. At the resulting page, click on "Show comparative Y-DNA results"

By following the tip in #5 above, and reading ALL the way down through
the resulting page for each person, you can find the participant who is
most closely related to you when you get down far enough to see which
Poythress ancestor the participant has. Some of you may recognize who
other participants are from their earlier messages on our email list,
even though participants' first names are not shown prominently (if at
all) for the sake of their privacy. If you do NOT find anyone whose line
you are closely related to, and you WANT to volunteer yourself or a
Poythress/Poytress brother/father/cousin to participate in our surname
DNA Study, please contact me personally at bp_neal@earthlink.net Since a
Y-DNA Study looks at a tiny part of the Y chromosome, and only males
have that chromosome, only males who inherited their DNA from a
Poythress-surnamed male (or a similar surname) would logically participate.

In the chart you get in #8 above, you'll see, for example, that in the
first 12 markers' columns most of the men have nearly identical results.
All 3 of our participants who descend from Lewis Poythress have one
number that differs slightly from our other participants who are in
Haplogroup R1b1. (Lewis Poythress lived from about 1771 to about 1846 in
Mecklenburg County, VA.) That difference is on DYS 439, where these men
have "12" rather than "13." According to further information from
FamilyTreeDNA this marker is a "fast moving" marker -- one that changes
more quickly than the normal number of generations an average marker
takes to change in the population as a whole. We also were told by
FamilyTreeDNA that DYS 439 is a "null" marker.

Several of the other slight differences you'll see across the chart, in
the other results for our R1b1 participants, are also in "fast moving"
markers numbered 464-c, 464-d, and 576. See last month's message from me
(on 8 Feb 2007) for more regarding the "fast moving" markers, or see
FamilyTreeDNA's website, www.FamilyTreeDNA.com

If any of our Study participants see anything in their Ysearch entry
which they wish me to change, please let me know off-List, at
bp_neal@earthlink.net

Thanks so much to each of our Study participants.

Barbara Poythress Neal, Volunteer Group Administrator of the
Poythress/Poytress-Surname Y-DNA Study		03/16/2007 12:44:20
[POYTHRESS] in Greensville Co, VAPatBarbara, I am the researcher who informed you of the info below re: Wm & Julia Poythress. I appreciate your mentioning it because as you know I still think that my William Poythress is related to Lewis Y. Poythress, in part because of the name "Lewis" (as well as "Horace" coming down in my father's family Johnson.

RE the portion of your 3-16-2007 email:
In the household of William & Julia Potis(1860)/ Portress(1850)/ Portrass(1870)/ Poythress we find, in 1860 & 1870, an older woman whose name seems to be Martha Brewer. Both Martha Brewer & Julia were shown in
1860 as born in NC (and both women were shown in 1870 as born in VA). Possibly Brewer was Julia's mother & was thus perhaps Julia's maiden name. Another note re spelling of Julia's name: One of our Poythress
researchers found her own ancestor, the young daughter of William and Julia, who that researcher called Martha Jane, shown as “M.J. Poythress” when she married Edward O’Neal (or Neal, depending on reading of the
handwriting) in Greensville County on 12 March 1880. In that record M.J's age was listed as 22 and her parent-listing only showed mother “Julia Poythress.”

I do not know if you recall but when I found the 1880 marriage certificate of Martha J. Poythress in Emporia VA, I also found an October 1873 Marriage license for a "Jos. H. Poythress", age 22, which listed his parents as William Poythress and wife Julia. It was this document which I felt identified my Martha's father ( since her marriage certificate only listed mother Julia) and what led me to the censuses which you note in your email. Jos.'s bride was listed as Eliza A. Spence (or Spencer), age 18 with parents M. D. Spence and wife . Both Jos H. and Eliza are listed as having been born in Greensville Co, VA. There was no minister's return for this marriage of Jos. H. Poythress and Eliza Spence on the license.

Since that time I have l located at the Emporia Cemetery, the grave of Martha J. (Poythress) O'Neal. Her cemetery marker reads " Martha Jane O’Neal 2/14/1857 – 3/26/1931", which ties with her being age 23 in 1880 per marriage certificate. She is buried in a marked family plot with a family marker engraved “Harris O’Neal” . In a separate email, I will list who is buried in the plot which includes what must be the "Jos. H. Poythress" whose 1873 marriage license to Eliza Spence does not include a ministerial return
__________________________________________________________________________________________
I did not have much time in Emporia but also found a couple of early 1900 marriages of Poythresses/Portress. I do not know if anyone on the list needs information that is early 1900s but here it is:

DOM= May 23 1912 Anthony Peters, age 22 and Mamie Poythress , age 18, both listed as born in Northhampton Co, NC with Anthony living in Greensville Co, Va and bride in Northhampton Co, NC

On the marriage certificate, Anthony is noted as the son of John and Mollie Peters and Mamie is noted as the daughter of H. R. and Laura B. Poythress. Witness is Stephen Poythress, brother of bride. They were married in the Episcopal Church by Minister G. Wallace Ribble.

DOM=April 8 1908 Robert Portress, age 23,born Greensville Co, VA & Belle Poytress, age 22, born Northhampton Co, NC

On the marriage certificate, Robert is noted as son of Richard and Ada Portress and Belle is noted as daughter of _____ & Adelaide Portress. Witness is listed as "Jack Turner or Portress, brother of female applicant". They were married in the Methodist-Protestant Church by Minister W. D. Fogleman.


Pat Autry


----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Neal"
To: "Poythress List"
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 6:37 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Poythress & Childs/Chiles in Greensville Co, VA


> Re my other message just now, I was interested to see that info sent by
> Ray Sasser about the 1860 Childs-Welton marriage conducted at the home
> of Lewis Y Poythress in Greensville County, Virginia (copied in my other
> email message today about Greensville Co, VA), because we've seen in
> Census records for both 1860 & 1870 the presence of "Chiles" members of
> Lewis Y's household.
>
> That 1860 marriage at Lewis Y's house doesn't necessarily indicate any
> kinship between Lewis Y's family and the Childs-Welton couple marrying
> there, but it gives more understanding to how close was the
> friendship/neighborly relationship between Lewis Y's household and the
> Childs/Chiles family.
>
> We know that Lewis Y Poythress & Mary C Ferguson were married in
> Mecklenburg County, Virginia, on 9 Apr 1802 by minister James Meacham.
> We don't know what Mary's middle initial of "C" stands for -- perhaps
> Chiles/Childs?
>
> In looking back at John Vogt's book of Greensville County Marriages
> 1781-1853, from the Virginia Historic Marriage Register, there was only
> one marriage for a Childs/Chiles -- an 1830 marriage that appears to be
> at least the father, and likely both parents, of the 1860 groom (since
> that 1860 marriage record reported by Ray Sasser named groom Thomas J
> Childs' parents as Thomas R & Sarah Chiles, and since Sally is a
> nickname for Sarah). This looks like Sally/Sarah could well be a
> relative of Lewis Y's wife Mary C Ferguson:
> Thomas R Chiles & Sally M Furgason 24 May 1830, bondsman James H Walker
>
> Census:
> I looked again at census records of 1860 & 1870 not only for Lewis Y but
> also for other apparent-Poythresses spelled alternately. We find among
> Lewis Y's 1860 neighbors the September 1860 groom who was married at
> Lewis Y's house, Thomas Childs.
>
> Below I'm including all the "POTIS" people found in Greensville Co, VA
> in 1860, because 10 yrs earlier in the 1850 Census, the surname for
> William & Julia Potis was spelled PORTRESS, and in 1870 her surname was
> spelled PORTRASS. One possibility is that Malinda Potis (estimated at
> age 60 in 1860), and Minerva Potis (then listed as age 16) & infant John
> Potis, may have been related to William & Julia Potis/ Portress/
> Portrass/ Poythress. In 1870 the surname of Minerva (then listed as age
> 30) is spelled Poytress.
>
> There are also Porch families living near many of these Poythresses, but
> I'm not reaching as far as Porches for our surname.
>
> I noticed, by the way, in the 1870 census that two Ferguson households
> (the maiden name of Lewis Y's wife Mary C) are on the same page with
> Minerva Poytress.
>
> In the household of William & Julia Potis(1860)/ Portress(1850)/
> Portrass(1870)/ Poythress we find, in 1860 & 1870, an older woman whose
> name seems to be Martha Brewer. Both Martha Brewer & Julia were shown in
> 1860 as born in NC (and both women were shown in 1870 as born in VA).
> Possibly Brewer was Julia's mother & was thus perhaps Julia's maiden
> name. Another note re spelling of Julia's name: One of our Poythress
> researchers found her own ancestor, the young daughter of William and
> Julia, who that researcher called Martha Jane, shown as “M.J. Poythress”
> when she married Edward O’Neal (or Neal, depending on reading of the
> handwriting) in Greensville County on 12 March 1880. In that record
> M.J's age was listed as 22 and her parent-listing only showed mother
> “Julia Poythress.”
>
> IF Julia & William married in NC before living in Greensville Co, VA,
> it's possible that a check of their NC marriage bond would show Julia's
> parents' names as well as her maiden name. I know that, at least in some
> years, parents' names were shown in NC for both brides and grooms.
>
> 1860 Census:
> For 1860 all the columns for "Color (White, Black, or Mulatto)" are
> blank, thus indicating White, unless otherwise noted below.
>
> 1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Ryland's Depot Post Office, p.591,
> enum 30 July by Jesse Jarratt
> 236 dwelling, 236 family:
> Nancy Roberts, age 49 female, Black, Common Laborer, b.VA
> Joseph Roberts, age 19 male, Mulatto, Common Laborer [dittoed], b.VA
> Minerva Potis, age 16 female, Mulatto, b.VA
> John " age 6/12 male, Mulatto, b.VA
>
> 1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Post Office, p.600,
> enum 6 Aug by Jesse Jarratt
> 309 dwelling, 309 family:
> (NOTE: 10 yrs earlier, in the 1850 Census, the surname spelling for this
> entry's William and Julia Potis was spelled PORTRESS)
> William Potis, age 33 male, Saw Milling, pers prop 75, b.VA
> Julia " age 29 female, b.NC
> James " age 8 male, b.VA
> Joseph " age 7 male, b.VA
> Thomas " age 5 male, b.VA
> Jane " age 4 female, b.VA
> Benjamin " age 1 male, b.VA
> Martha Brewer age 50 female, b.NC
>
> 1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Post Office, p.600,
> 310 dwelling, 310 family, enum 6 Aug by Jesse Jarratt
> (NOTE: only one person in household)
> Thomas Chiles, male age 28, Attends to Mill, b.VA
>
> I include this next household, between Chiles & Lewis Y, figuring from
> the value of this man's property, he could well be the person Lewis Y
> was serving as Overseer:
> 1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Post Office, p.600,
> enum 6 Aug by Jesse Jarratt
> 311 dwelling, 311 family:
> James W. Cook, age 38 male, Farmer, real prop 177,000; pers prop
> 260,000; b.VA
> Fannie M. Cook [dittoed surname], age 26 [or 24?] female, b.VA
> Hart " age 15 female, b.VA, attended school
> Ellna " age 14 female, b.VA, attended school
> Watkins " age 5 male, b.VA
> John Y " age 4 male, b.VA
> Lewis " age 2 male, b.VA
> Page " age 1 male, b.VA
> George M " age 1/12 male, b.VA
> Sallie G " age 70 female, b.VA
> William F Hunt, age 26 male, Collector, pers prop 100, b.VA
>
> 1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Post Office, p.600, enum 6
> Aug by Jesse Jarratt
> 312 dwelling, 312 family:
> Lewis Y Poythress, age 40 male, Overseer, pers prop 50, b.VA
> Mary C. " age 50 female, b.VA
> Nancy A. Chiles, age 20 female, b.VA
> [NOTE the above 3 lines are at the bottom of a page; at the top of the
> next page, p.601, the same household continues as follows; at top of
> page it shows enum 8 Aug by Jesse Jarratt]
> (1st line is blank with no name or info)
> (2nd line is blank with no name or info)
> (3rd line is blank with no name or info)
> Elizabeth Chiles, age 15 female, b.VA
> [On the next line begins dwelling 313, family 313]
>
> Nine pages further, still in the Hicksford area is Malinda Potis
> apparently living in the county's poor house:
> 1860 Census Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Post Office, p.609, enum
> 13 Aug by Jesse Jarratt
> 363 dwelling, 363 family [though note info about "houses" near bottom of
> this entry & note that following entry is 368 dwelling & family]:
> [NOTE: the first 4 lines of this household show the person as "Pauper"
> and then the next 7 lines are bracketed as "Poor House" to the left of
> the names. Below Cain is a blank line, followed by two more lines
> bearing the Census-taker's explanation on 2 more lines re how many
> houses of this entry 363 were occupied & unoccupied; thus apparently in
> this county's poor house, one dwelling perhaps was occupied by the four
> Sturdivants, one perhaps occupied by Malinda Potis & the Hogwoods, and
> one by Cain, with one unoccupied dwelling]
> Ann Sturdivant, age 42 estimated, female, Pauper b.VA
> Lucy " age 12 female, Pauper b.VA
> Rose " age 10 female, Mulatto, Pauper b.VA
> Sallie " age 3 female, Pauper b.VA
> Malinda Potis, age 60 estimated, female, b.VA, cannot read & write
> Nancy Hogwood, age 40 female, b.VA, cannot read & write, Lunatic
> Ann E " age 40 female, b.VA
> Andrew Cain, age 83 male, Black, b.VA
> (blank line; no info on it)
> [Census-taker's notation:] 3 houses occupied
> [Census-taker's notation:] 1 house unoccupied
>
>
> 1870 Census:
>
> 1870 Greensville County, VA, Hicksford Township, Poplar Mount Post
> Office, p.356-B, enum 30 June by O.H. Burull(sp?)
> 129 Dwelling, 126 Family
> Portrass, Julia, age 40 female, White, pauper, b.VA, cannot read, cannot
> write
> Brirr(sp?), Martha, age 65 female, White, pauper, b.VA, cannot read,
> cannot write [Note: perhaps the Census-taker was trying to spell Brewer
> for Martha's surname? His handwriting is awful, making even the county
> name at the top of the pages difficult to read. Elaine transcribed
> Martha's surname as "?Burr"]
> Portrass, Martha A, age 6 female, White, b.VA
>
> Enumerated later, some pages apart from the above page & in a different
> township, though using the same post office:
>
> 1870 Greensville County, VA, Belfield Township, Poplar Mount Post
> Office, stamped p.323-B, enum 10? or 20? July by O.H. Burull(sp?)
> 197 Dwelling, 180 Family:
> Poythress, Lewis, age 51 male, White, Farmer, no property values listed,
> b.VA, cannot read, cannot write, Male Citizen of US 21 yrs & up
> Poythress [surname dittoed], Mary, age 60 female, White, Keeping house,
> b.VA, cannot read, cannot write
> Childs, Ann, age 28 female, White, b.VA
>
> Enumerated later, some pages apart from the above page & in a different
> township, though again using the same post office:
>
> 1870 Greensville County, VA, Zion Township, Poplar Mount Post Office,
> p.384, enum 18 Aug by O.H. Burull(sp?)
> 51 Dwelling, 53 Family:
> Teller (or Tiller), Tucker age 21 male, Black, Farm Laborer, b.VA,
> cannot read, cannot write, Male Citizen of US 21 yrs & up
> Poytress, Minerva age 30 female, Mulatto, Farm Laborer, b.VA, cannot
> read, cannot write
>
>
>
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[POYTHRESS] Emporia Cemetery Greensville Co VA : Harris-O'Neal family plotPatI noted in an email earlier today that I would note who is buried in the "Harris O'Neal" family plot at Emporia Cemetery in Emporia, Greenesville County, Virginia

Brunswick Street, perpendicular to Main Street, near Register of Deeds office (my 4th Generation )



There is a marked family plot with a family marker engraved "Harris O'Neal" with the following markers within the family plot. I am told by paternal relatives that my paternal grandfather paid for this plot for his mother-in-law and her relatives to be buried.



1. Martha Jane Poythress O'Neal, ( "my paternal Great-Grandmother")

DOB: 14 Feb 1857 DOD: 26 Mar 1931 ( Married March 1880 to Edward O'Neal in Greensville Co, VA)



2. Joseph T. ?Poythress? (brother of Martha Poythress O'Neal) ( appeared to be a T instead of an H)

DOB: DD MMM YYYY DOD: MM DDD 1927

The photo of the his cemetery marker did not turn out so do not have exact dates



3. Addie Blanch Harris, (stepdaughter or illegtimate daughter of Martha Poythress O'Neal),

(stepsister or half-sister of my paternal grandmother Josephine )

DOB: 17 Feb 1873 DOD: 6 Nov 1936

(Blanch, at age 7, is in 1880 Greensville Co Census with Edward Neal & Martha Poythress O'Neal 3 months after the couple was married March 1880.)



4. William Henry O'Neal (son of Martha Jane Poythress O'Neal, brother of my paternal grandmother,

Lived in Halifax County, NC for many years)

DOB: 15 Mar 1882 DOD: 04 May 1967



5. Minnie Smith O'Neal (wife of Wm Henry O'Neal,

sister-in-law to my paternal grandmother )

DOB: 14 Sep 1893 DOD: 22 Oct 1981



6. Willie Harris Pearson (daughter of Addie Blanch Harris)

DOB: 20 Jun 1907 DOD: 10 Apr 1987



Pat		03/17/2007 6:35:23
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress & Childs/Chiles in Greensville Co, VAPatCrystal, I would also be interested in whether the marriage certificate
shows Julia as the parent of James W. Poythress who married Rebecca High.

I believe we corresponded several years ago. Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Neal"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress & Childs/Chiles in Greensville Co, VA


> Hey Crystal - good to hear from you. I don't remember hearing of that
> marriage of James W Poythress & Rebecca High before. Does it show Julia
> as his parent? I sure would appreciate a chance to see a scan of that
> marriage certificate.
>
> Can you refresh my memory of your Poythress ggrandmother's first name?
> Thanks,
> Barbara
>
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress & Childs/Chiles in Greensville Co, VACrystal RoseMy ggrandmother is the Mamie Poythress that was married in Greensville that
was mentioned in the other e-mail. She is the daughter of Horace and Laura
Turner Poythress.

As for James W., yes, Julia is listed as the mother. I'll try to attach a
copy of the cert.
The lines through the names are from a highlighter.

On 3/17/07, Barbara Neal wrote:
>
> Hey Crystal - good to hear from you. I don't remember hearing of that
> marriage of James W Poythress & Rebecca High before. Does it show Julia
> as his parent? I sure would appreciate a chance to see a scan of that
> marriage certificate.
>
> Can you refresh my memory of your Poythress ggrandmother's first name?
> Thanks,
> Barbara
>
>
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>		03/17/2007 12:10:16
[POYTHRESS] Jos. Poythress in Greensville Co, VABarbara NealHi Pat,
Wow, thanks so much for the additional information. I had forgotten all
about that 1873 marriage license you had found for "Jos. H. Poythress"
and Eliza A. Spence. I'm pretty sure her surname is "Spence" rather than
"Spencer" from looking at the ending couple of letters, and comparing
them to the ending letters of the Clerk's name, "Turner" on the same
document.

With your Emporia Cemetery info included a 1927-death-date marker in the
O'Neal plot for Joseph "T", brother of Martha Poythress O'Neal, and that
date being about 54 years after Joseph's above 1873 marriage bond, I
wonder if perhaps Eliza's grave would be found in a Spence plot --
either as a deceased young Poythress wife (perhaps in a childbirth
situation, with an accompanying stillborn infant) buried in the plot of
her birth family; or as a Spence if her & Joseph's marriage was never
performed. Since there was no minister's return, we can't be sure
whether the marriage was performed or not.

It appears that the Spence family had long been in Greensville Co, VA:

I noticed in Vogt's book of Greensville Co, VA 1781-1853, an earlier
marriage that could potentially be 18-yr-old Eliza's parents (who were
listed on her & Jos' marriage license as M.D. Spence & his wife):
Matthias Spence & Sarah E Adams married in Greensville Co, VA; both
bond & minister's return dated 6 Sep 1847; minister Josiah C. Bailey
(who Vogt notes was Baptist); bondsman Nathaniel L. Harrison

And also from that same book by Vogt, potential(s) from an earlier
generation for Matthias Spence's father or other relative for Matthias &
a couple of potentials for a Harrison relative of Matthias' bondsman
could be in either/both of these other Spence marriages. These could
both be marriages for one man, if his first wife died early in the marriage:
John Spence & Elizabeth Harrison; bond 25 Aug 1819 with Francis Hill
as bondsman & witness Benjamin Spence; minister's return dated 26 Aug
1819 by minister Edward Drumgoole.
John Spence & Martha M Dowell; 6 Jan 1826; bride of age; bondsman
Paschal Harrison; witnesses Evans Bennett and Robert Reams.		03/18/2007 11:10:19
[POYTHRESS] Mamie Poythress in Greensville Co, VABarbara NealPat, I am so pleased to have the 1912 marriage info for Mamie Poythress
& Anthony Peters. This is great to have this additional info. If it is
possible to see a photo/scan of their marriage, I sure would appreciate it.

Thanks so much for sharing the info!
Barbara		03/18/2007 11:17:58
[POYTHRESS] Robert Portress & Belle Poytress in Greensville Co, VABarbara NealPat, how good that you found in Emporia the info about the Greensville
Co, VA marriage of this couple in 1908. If it would be possible to see a
photo/scan of this document, I'd sure appreciate it.

1920 Census, Wilson County, NC:
A potential for being this fellow is one I had noted last year when I
had access to Heritage Quest's census records, though I did not have
time to copy the actual record. They indexed the fellow in the Black
Creek part of Wilson County, NC as follows:
Age: 34, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: NC
Series: T625 Roll: 1326 Page: 256

1930 Census, Wilson County, NC:
Elaine transcribed what appears to be this couple as follows:

HH 44 – Wilson Twp., sheet 3B, lines 52-57, ED 29, date 9 Apr.
Poythress, Robert, rents, male, white, age 43, married at age 21, cannot
read and write, NC, NC, NC, farmer/general farm, employer
, Bell, wife, female, white, age 42, married at age 21, NC, NC, NC
, Simpson, son, male, white, age 21, NC, NC, NC, laborer/general
farm, no pay
, Ada B., daughter, female, white, age 16, NC, NC, NC,
laborer/general farm, no pay
, Eula, daughter, female, white, age 14, attends school, NC, NC, NC
, Margret, daughter, female, white, age 10, attends school, NC, NC, NC		03/18/2007 11:52:00
Re: [POYTHRESS] Marriage certif Robert & Belle Portress (Poythress)Barbara NealThanks so much, Crystal, for identifying them more clearly!
Barbara

Crystal Rose wrote:
> Ok. This is Robert Poythress and Eunice Bell Turner...



03/19/2007 4:26:23
[POYTHRESS] Marriage certifs & other email attachmentsBarbara NealJust a reminder - as good as our RootsWeb Poythress emailing
subscription list works, the one thing that won't work is *any* file
attachment.

So anytime we want to send something like a marriage certificate, or a
photo, or a Word document or a spreadsheet to fellow List-subscribers,
that must be done off-List, directly to the recipient's email address.



03/19/2007 4:29:57
Re: [POYTHRESS] Mamie Poythress in Greensville Co, VAPatThe Marriage certificate is attached as a .GIF file.

Glad that I can help you in some way as you have provided so much to this
list.

Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Neal"
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 7:17 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Mamie Poythress in Greensville Co, VA


> Pat, I am so pleased to have the 1912 marriage info for Mamie Poythress
> & Anthony Peters. This is great to have this additional info. If it is
> possible to see a photo/scan of their marriage, I sure would appreciate
> it.
>
> Thanks so much for sharing the info!
> Barbara		03/19/2007 5:34:37
[POYTHRESS] Marriage certif Robert & Belle Portress (Poythress)Barbara NealThe first names of this couple match the ones of the 1930 Wilson Co, NC
Census transcription I posted yesterday, in which the Census-taker noted
that Robert Poythress, age 43 white male who had married at age 21,
could not read or write.

From a scan of the marriage certificate from Greensville County, Virginia:

Marriage License, stamped number 370, was issued by Clerk E.Peyton
Turner, Greensville Co, Va on 6 April 1908.

Both the groom Robert Portress and the bride Belle Portress are shown as
White; he is shown as 23, Single, born in Greensville Co, Va; parents
were Richard and Ada Portress; the groom is shown as a farmer, residing
in Greensville Co, VA.

The bride is shown as 22, Single, born in Northampton Co, NC with
parents as (blank) and Adelaide Portress; the bride is shown as residing
in Greensville Co, Va. Time and place of marriage are shown as 8 April
1908, Greensville Co, Va.

"Witness: (Sworn) Jack Turner or Portress (brother of female applicant)."

W.D. Fogleman, a Minister of the Methodist Protestant church, certified
that he performed the marriage "in public road" on 8 April 1908.		03/19/2007 9:46:09
[POYTHRESS] Marriage certif Mamie Poythress & Anthony PetersBarbara NealFrom a scan of the marriage certificate from Greensville County, Virginia:

Marriage License, stamped number 51, was issued by Clerk E.Peyton
Turner, Greensville Co, Va on 23 May 1912.

Both the groom Anthony Peters and the bride Mamie Poythress are shown as
White; he is shown as 22, Single, born in Northampton Co, NC; parents
were John & Mollie Peters; he's shown as a farmer, residing in
Greensville Co, VA.

The bride is shown as 18, Single, born in Northampton Co, NC; parents
were H.R. and Laura B. Poythress; she's shown as residing in Northampton
Co, NC.

Time and place of marriage are shown as May 23rd 1912, Greensville Co, Va.

"Witness: Stephen Poythress (brother of bride) sworn."

G.Wallace Ribble, Minister of the Episcopal church, certified that he
performed the marriage at Emporia, Va on 23 May 1912.		03/19/2007 9:57:19
Re: [POYTHRESS] Marriage certif Robert & Belle Portress (Poythress)Crystal RoseOk. This is Robert Poythress and Eunice Bell Turner.
Robert is the son of Richard P and Ada Turner Poythress. He was born 3 May
1884.
Eunice is the daughter of Adalaid Poythress and William David Turner. She
was born 2-29-1884 and died 6-25-1957 in Wilson Co NC.

Crystal



On 3/19/07, Barbara Neal wrote:
>
> The first names of this couple match the ones of the 1930 Wilson Co, NC
> Census transcription I posted yesterday, in which the Census-taker noted
> that Robert Poythress, age 43 white male who had married at age 21,
> could not read or write.
>
> From a scan of the marriage certificate from Greensville County, Virginia:
>
> Marriage License, stamped number 370, was issued by Clerk E.Peyton
> Turner, Greensville Co, Va on 6 April 1908.
>
> Both the groom Robert Portress and the bride Belle Portress are shown as
> White; he is shown as 23, Single, born in Greensville Co, Va; parents
> were Richard and Ada Portress; the groom is shown as a farmer, residing
> in Greensville Co, VA.
>
> The bride is shown as 22, Single, born in Northampton Co, NC with
> parents as (blank) and Adelaide Portress; the bride is shown as residing
> in Greensville Co, Va. Time and place of marriage are shown as 8 April
> 1908, Greensville Co, Va.
>
> "Witness: (Sworn) Jack Turner or Portress (brother of female applicant)."
>
> W.D. Fogleman, a Minister of the Methodist Protestant church, certified
> that he performed the marriage "in public road" on 8 April 1908.
>
>
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>		03/19/2007 12:53:54
Re: [POYTHRESS] GeorgeBarbara NealMaynard, yeah resigned might make sense, however on the GA Archives'
list of abbreviations used on the cards, it clearly shows
"res. - resided or residence"

Thanks for your feedback; glad to see you're paying attention Happy
Palm Sunday.
B

John M. Poythress wrote:
> Re:
>
> 2. H.R. [member House of Representatives], Burke Co., 1804,
> 1805-06 Ex [Extra Session of General Assembly], 1806 1.
> Sheriff, Burke Co, Nov. 17, 1797 - Oct 21, 1799 3. J I C
> [Justice of the Inferior Court], Burke Co, Dec 6, 1806 -
> 1810 res. [resided or residence] [Bpn note: perhaps the
> "1810 res." indicates that 1810 was when George's residence
> was no longer Burke Co? since we know he was in Laurens Co,
> GA for the Aug 1820 Census]
>
>
> Barbara..how about "resigned"..which might make all the more
> sense when he begins showing up for the first time in
> Laurens legal records in 1811.
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
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>		04/01/2007 2:04:09
[POYTHRESS] GeorgeJohn M. PoythressRe:

2. H.R. [member House of Representatives], Burke Co., 1804,
1805-06 Ex [Extra Session of General Assembly], 1806 1.
Sheriff, Burke Co, Nov. 17, 1797 - Oct 21, 1799 3. J I C
[Justice of the Inferior Court], Burke Co, Dec 6, 1806 -
1810 res. [resided or residence] [Bpn note: perhaps the
"1810 res." indicates that 1810 was when George's residence
was no longer Burke Co? since we know he was in Laurens Co,
GA for the Aug 1820 Census]


Barbara..how about "resigned"..which might make all the more
sense when he begins showing up for the first time in
Laurens legal records in 1811.

Maynard		04/01/2007 2:29:16
[POYTHRESS] Transcrip of Poy cards at GA ArchivesBarbara NealWith thanks to Bruce Miller of our email list, I'm transcribing below
info he received back in Aug 1988 from the Georgia Dept of Archives &
History, being copies of all 9 of the cards then held in their General
Name File in their Search Room, under surname Poythress/Poythriss. I've
separated the cards by lines = = below and transcribed them in the order
from oldest entries to most recent, inserting in square brackets
clarifying info from the Archives' list of abbreviations used.
Parentheses are as shown on the original cards.

I don't recall us knowing all of this info before -- especially that
George Poythress was a member of Georgia's House of Representatives in
1804-1806, and a Justice of the Inferior Court from 1806-1810.

= =
Poythress, Thomas
Sheriff, Burke Co, Oct 21, 1799 - 1800 died.
= =
Poythress, George [Bpn note: The numbers in the left margin of George's
card apparently just clarify earliest info with #1 to last info with #3]:
2. H.R. [member House of Representatives], Burke Co., 1804, 1805-06 Ex
[Extra Session of General Assembly], 1806
1. Sheriff, Burke Co, Nov. 17, 1797 - Oct 21, 1799
3. J I C [Justice of the Inferior Court], Burke Co, Dec 6, 1806 - 1810
res. [resided or residence] [Bpn note: perhaps the "1810 res." indicates
that 1810 was when George's residence was no longer Burke Co? since we
know he was in Laurens Co, GA for the Aug 1820 Census]
= =
Poythress, Edward
Ens. [Ensign, militia rank] 72d Dist.Co., Burke Co., G.M. [Georgia
Militia], Apr. 29, 1813-___
= =
Poythress, William
Lt., 34th Dist.Co., Screven Co., G.M. [Georgia Militia], ___ - Nov. 10,
1813 res. [resided or residence]
= =
Poythress, Joseph
Lieut., Warren Co., Jan. 20, 1820-May 26, 1821
(M.R. [military records], 1808-1829, p.47)
= =
Poythress, Joseph P.
Lieut., Scriven Co., Aug. 2, 1822-Oct. 3, 1823
(M.R. [military records], 1808-1829, p.91)
= =
Poythress, James
Capt., Scriven Co., Aug. 6, 1823-Jan. 30, 1827
(M.R. [military records], 1808-1829, p.108)
= =
Poythress, John C.
Conv. [Convention] 1850, Burke Co.
= =
Poythress, David Bryan
Deputy Commissioner, Ga. Dept. of Revenue, 11/1972-7/1977.
Director, Dept. of Medical Assistance, 7/1977-6/1979.
Secretary of State, Ga., apptd. 6/14/1979 (to succeed
Ben W. Fortson, Jr., dec'd) -1/1983.		04/01/2007 10:07:57
Re: [POYTHRESS] DNA re-exam of 1 marker requested for one fellowBarbara NealIn mid-February, I emailed our Poythress List subscribers that I had
requested the Lab re-examine one marker for one of our DNA Study
participants -- our Florida participant whose grandfather was John P
Poythress, and whose great-grandfather we think may be James P Poythress
who left records in FL and GA. His YCAb marker's reading was 19, while
for almost all our other Study participants their reading was 23.

At that time, I mentioned the possibility another researcher had told me
about: that his "19" might be an example of a "RecLOH mutation" -- the
kind of change where one copy of a multi-copy marker randomly got copied
to both locations, YCAb and YCAa.

Or the 19 might have been a clerical error, so for that reason I asked
the Lab to re-examine it.

Today I learned from the Lab that the lab re-examined his kit's test
result, and the scientists confirmed the correct value was assigned to
this kit at Marker DYS# YCAb and the value was indeed 19.

Barbara Poythress Neal
Poythress-Poytress Surname DNA Study Volunteer Group Administrator		04/07/2007 3:36:43
[POYTHRESS] Joseph Poythress & Mary King descendant BibleBarbara NealTranscribed below (by Barbara Poythress Neal on 16 April 2007) is info
from the family pages of two Bibles, originals of which belong(ed) to a
descendant of Troup County, Georgia's Joseph Poythress & his wife Mary
King, through their son Frank, or Francis Poythress, apparently their
youngest child, who was born in 1835 and who married Caroline Ware;
Frank was father of Mary Lorena Poythress, who married John M. Barnard.
After Frank's death Caroline nee Ware married John T. Gay.)

The photocopies of these family pages were sent to me several years ago
by our List subscriber Bruce Miller, who received them from the Troup
County (GA) Archives in LaGrange, GA, with a letter dated 13 March 1989.
The accompanying letter said, regarding these copies that the eight
pages "are Bible records from our Vertical File on the Nix family." The
eight pages do not include the Bibles' title pages or publication
information, or any info about who supplied the photocopies to the Troup
Co Archives.

The quality of these copies of photocopies is not perfect; different
writing instruments and handwritings were obviously used, with some
photocopying better than others. I'm inserting question-marks (regarding
things difficult to read) & any other personal comments in parentheses.

#1 page listing births, with names in the left panel under Family Names
& with the date & location directly across from each name in the right
panel under Deaths, When & Where:
(The imprinted heading stretches across to the #2 page below, with
"FAMILY" at top of #1 page, and "RECORD" at top of #2 page:)
FAMILY RECORD
Family Names - Births, When & Where
Wm. H. Nix - July 14th 1810 George Town South Carolina
Julia N. Nix - December 10th 1818 Moriches'(?) Long Island NY
Wm Howell Nix - Sept. 28th 1856 Sabath 8 P.M. LaGrange Ga.
Josiah Leonard Nix - December 13th 1857 LaGrange Ga.
Charles Alfred Nix - May 29 1861 (ditto of LaGrange Ga)
Julia G. Nix - Nov 17th 1881
Mary B. Nix - Jan 8th 1883
Carrie H. Nix - Aug 14 1888

#2 page
(Imprinted heading concludes "RECORD" from "FAMILY RECORD" with "FAMILY"
shown on #1 page. Page again has 2 panels)
FAMILY RECORD
Marriages, When & Where (left column)
(This date & location lined up with the first two names on p.1, thus
indicating this is the marriage info for Wm. H. Nix and his wife Julia
N. Nix. This is the ONLY item in the panel for Marriages:)
20th December 1855
in LaGrange Georgia
- -
Deaths, when & where (right column, with each date under the name to
which it applies:)
Josiah L. Nix
May 19th 1858
- -
Charley Nix
October 24th 1863
- -
W.W. Nix Died
Sept. 15th 1867(? third digit of yr hard to read)
- -
Julia N. Nix
Jan 11th 1882
- -
William H. Nix
June 4th 1889

#3 page (completely handwritten in an old handwriting; appears that
these entries could have been written on a sheet of blank paper inserted
into the Bible; hand-drawn lines divide the sheet into two columns & are
between the entries in each column)
(Left column:)
Mary Poythress Barnard
Died Sept 10, 1887 age 31 years
(Note: her birth is listed in the right column, shown below, with her
maiden name of "Mary Lorena Poythress"
- - -
Lieut. Eugene L. Ware
Killed at 7 Pines Via. (Virginia) June 25 1862
- - -
Cap. John T. Gay died from
wounds received in the battles
around Petersburg Via. (Virginia)
28 of April 1865
- - -
Joseph Lane Ware died
July 15th 1860, Age 59 (sic; below p.7 entry has Jul 15 1890 & same age)
- - -
Dr. Augustus C. Ware
died Oct 25 1872, Age 42
- - -
Lorena A. Ware died
Jan 15 1897, Age 87 years
and 6 months
- - -
Dr. William A. Ware
died Feb 12, 1903
Age 65
- - -
Annie Lorena Ware
Died Nov 4 1911
- - -
(Right column:)
John T. Gay was born
Feb 18, 1828
- - -
Caroline E. Ware was (born)
June 24 1835
- - -
Lorena A. Ware was born
July 22 1810
- - -
Mary Lorena Poythress
was born Sept 3 1856
- - -
Eugene Ware Gay was
born Sept 25 1863 (the "3" is a correction written in, after marking out
"4" of 1864)
- - -
Julia Gay Nix was
born Nov 17 1881
- - -
Mary Barnard Nix
was born Jan 8 1883
- - -
Caroline Elizabeth Nix ("Elizabeth" is a correction written in, after
marking out "Ware" as the originally written middle name)
was born Aug 14 1888

#4 page (completely handwritten - in two handwritings both different
from the handwriting on #3 page; one handwriting did all but the last 2
entries and the second handwriting did those last 2. It appears that
these entries could have been written on a sheet of blank paper inserted
into the Bible)
Marriages
Caroline E. Nix (&)
Harry A. Nooner Dec 25, 1918 ("Dec" is a correction, after marking
out "Jan" in the date)
- -
Deaths
Caroline E. Gay - Jan 25, 1922
Eugene Gay Nix - May 31, 1934
John M. Barnard - May 30, 1919
Harry A. Nooner - June 23, 1941
Carrie Nix Nooner - August 19, 1954
Mary Barnard Nix June 21, 1955

#5 page (This page & pp.6-7 are from a different Bible than pp.1-2
above, judging from difference in the font of the imprinted portions of
the pages. The same imprinted border exists on pages 5, 6, & 7, all of
which are headed "Family Record." Each page has two columns, both headed
Births on #5 & #6 pages, and headed Deaths on #7 page.)
Births (left column)
Josiah Howell was born
Jan(?) 17th 1784
- - -
Melonda Howell was born
April 30th 1786
- - -
Births (right column)
Elizabeth Howell was born
November 13th 1811(?) (the month was corrected; marked out is "April")
- - -
Sarah Howell was born
July 13th 1813
- - -
Mary Howell was born
November 20th 1819
- - -
Elisha Howell was born
September 27th 1816
- - -
Nancy Howell was born
December 10th 1818
- - -
Harriet Howell was born
October 18th 1823
- - -
Alfred Howell was born
May 18th 1821

#6 page (From ink that bled thru, one can tell that this page is the
back side of p.5 above, and has the same imprinted border & heading
of "Family Record" again with two columns, both headed Births.
Hand-drawn lines divide the entries)
Births (left column)
Lorina A. Ware was
born July 22 1810
- -
John T. Gay was born
Feb 18, 1828
- -
Caroline E. Ware was (born)
June 24, 1835
- -
Annie L. Ware was
born Dec 19, 1841
- -
Mary L. Poythress was
born Sept. 3 1856
- -
Eugene Ware Gay was
born Sept. 23 1864
- -
Births (right column; there are no entries here)

#7 page (has the same imprinted border & heading of "Family Record"
again with two columns, both headed Deaths. Hand-drawn lines divide the
entries)
Deaths (left column)
Mrs. Mary Lorena Barnard
Died Sept. 10th 1887
Age 30 years
- -
Francis A. Poythress Died
Oct. 2nd 1857 age 23 years
- -
Lieut. Eugene L. Ware was
killed at 7 Pines near
Richmond Via (Virginia) June 25
1862
- -
Lieut J. T. Gay died from
wounds received in the
battles around Petersburg
Fort Steadman(?) was
wounded on the 25th of
March died on the 28th of
April 1865
- -
Augustus C. Ware, M.D.
Died Oct 25th 1872
age 42
- -
Deaths (right column)
Joseph Lane Ware
died July 15th 1890(sic; above p.3 entry has Jul 15 1860 & same age)
Age 59
- -
William A. Ware, M.D.
Died Feb 12, 1903
Age 65
- -
Lorena A. Ware Died
Jan 15, 1897
Age 87 & six months
- -
Annie L. Ware
Nov. 4, 1911
- -
Carrie E. Gay
Jan. 25, 1922
(note: she was listed above on p.4 as Caroline E. Gay)
- -
Eugene Gay Nix
May 31, 1934
- -

#7 page (this page was obviously a blank sheet of paper, with only the
following 2 entries, both of which were typed with a typewriter having a
"script" type of font, similar to an IBM Selectric from the early 1970s)
Carrie Nix Nooner died August 19 1954
Mary Barnard Nix June 21, 1955 (note, from p.4 above, we know this is
her date of death)		04/16/2007 1:50:27
Re: [POYTHRESS] Joseph Poythress & Mary King descendant BibleBarbara NealSorry -- just noticed one typo I missed when proof-reading:

#1 page truly lists births -- NOT deaths as I mis-stated in my original
message a few hours ago, in the description of the right panel.

BPN		04/16/2007 4:48:17
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I haven't spent much time here as neither chat rooms nor
wiki do a whole lot for me but the search engine turns up
622
Poythress references. In addition to all the old saws, new
stuff is available via the search engine turning up an
individual
who happened to marry a Poythress. I suppose like all the
other "contributed" information on the web that doesn't
carry
a citation, one should take it with a grain of salt.

Maynard		04/17/2007 11:55:00
[POYTHRESS] Bell, Garner, & Poythress sightingsBarbara NealRecently Crystal & I were talking and it was observed that she & I had
both seen the surnames of BELL & GARNER occur in proximity to our
Poythress surname.

I'll recap several of them below that I've seen. The first one listed is
another such sighting I happened to notice today. If you, Crystal, or if
any of the rest of our List members can add any additional sightings for
surnames BELL & GARNER that were in proximity to Poythress folks, please
let us know here on the List.

1793 May 2 to Aug 2 Pay Roll for Captain Joseph Way's Company of the
Georgia Dragoons, in the Service of the United States. On the Pay Roll
for those dates (p.282-283 of Murtie June Clark's volume "American
Militia in the Frontier Wars 1790-1796") were 5 Corporals, 2 of whose
names were illegible to the author. The first Corporal she listed for
Capt Way on this payroll was William POYTHRESS; second Corporal she
listed was William BELL. I also notice a couple of other surnames of
potential interest to us on that same payroll: Sergeant, Gordon TAYLOR;
Farrier, John HICKS; and a Private, Isaac TAYLOR. I now see in copies
from this book's index, that the book also contains 6 more entries for
William BELL, one for John GARNER, and one for a John F. GARDNER, but
those entries are all on pages I did not examine or copy.
(Note, from Clark's chronology of events in the front of the book,
May 1793 was during war between France, England & Spain, following peace
efforts collapsing on April 30th after President George Washington on
Apr 22 had proclaimed neutrality in their war & after additional forts
were built along our Georgia frontier, approximately 400 miles from the
Florida border on St Marys River to the South Carolina border on Tugaloo
River. In May the Chickasaws were sent supplies for the Creek War; the
Cherokees failed to gain Chickasaw support for a general war; and France
ordered seizure of neutral shipping.)

1813 Oct 23 (date signed) in Town of Beaufort, Cartaret Co, North
Carolina, Wm. BELL was one of the witnesses of the Last Will & Testament
of John POYTHRESS, who leaves everything to his wife Polly. (Other
witness was Jno. HYSON)

1856 Sep 13 (date signed) in Yalobusha Co, Mississippi - In Last Will &
Testament of Littlebury H. POYTRESS, named were LHP's wife Frances, and
daughter Frances wife of William C. BELL, who was to manage the property
for use & benefit of his wife and her children. LHP requested the Judge
of Probate appoint his wife Frances and William C. BELL to be executor &
executrix. Witnessing the Will were E.E. CRENSHAW, James WALTIN, and
John A. GARNER.

1857 Aug Term in Yalobusha Co, Mississippi - John A. GARNER was the
witness presenting the above Will of Littlebury H. POYTRESS to the Court.		04/19/2007 8:06:01
[POYTHRESS] Blanch Spurlock Bentley PapersBarbara Neal"NUCMC" (The National Union Catalog of Manuscript Collections) describes
these papers as follows, with our surname included:

MS 62-3522 (Library of Congress card no.)
Papers, 1761-1942
ca. 300 items
Held in Tennessee State Library and Archives
Historian. Correspondence, genealogical data, historical notes and
sketches on McMinnville and Warren County, wills, indentures, a muster
roll (1846) of Captain A. Northcut's Company, maps, land notes, and
memorabilia. Includes 16 letters from a soldier, identified as Cy Titus,
of the 19th Regiment of Michigan Infantry, describing Sherman's March
through Georgia and South Carolina; and material on the Archer, Argo,
Armstrong, Bentley, Black, Bolling, Bonner, Bostock, Branch, Coffee,
Cunningham, Edmondson, Eldridge, Farrar, Fisher, Garretson, Gay, Goode,
Gwyn, Harding, Heath, Henderson, Higginbotham, Hoge, Laughlin, Lee,
Loyd, Looney, McGee, Mitchell, Powell, Poythress, Rodgers, Rolfe, Rowan,
Rust, Smartt, Sniper, Soane, Spurlock, Trent, Vaughan, Wilcher,
Williams, Wilson, Woodson, and Worsham families.
Unpublished register in the repository.
Acquired from the estate of Sterling Brown, executor of the estates
of Mrs. Bentley's sons, Frank and Eldridge Bentley.

The Tennessee Archives has the papers, available on one roll of
microfilm (Microfilm Accession Number 1063), available by interlibrary
loan. Their cover sheet states that "Literary rights in the unpublished
writings of Blanch Spurlock Bentley in these papers have been dedicated
to the public. Single photocopies may be made for purposes of scholarly
research."

Their cover sheet regarding "Scope and Content Note" mentions that "Mrs.
Bentley was the author of a number of articles of which the best known
was a pamphlet published by the Lookout Publishing Company entitled
'Beersheba Springs and the Chickamauga Trace.'"

I got the film on interlibrary loan and plowed thru Folio 5, which is
the section containing info on the "L" thru "S" surnames listed above.

Regarding Poythress, she had exactly one sheet, typed, which she may
have typed herself. Looking similar to other items in her collection
that had been published in the Virginia Historical Society's quarterly,
this sheet looks like it could well be info that may have been published
in some early historical or genealogical quarterly, though if so no
source is shown.

The sheet contains the following information, transcribed here by
Barbara Poythress Neal on 21 April 2007, to save anyone else needing to
borrow the film, and locate the item to read it. Parentheses &
quotation marks are in her item. My comments are in square brackets
[like these]. The remainder of this email is from that one sheet:

Captain Francis Poythress (ante 1612 - post 1649), came to Virginia in
1633 [sic] (probably as business agent for Lawrence Evans of London,
Merchant). Issued a patent grant, dated July 13, 1637 (Book 1, page
439), for 400 acres in Charles City county, "bounding north upon the
head of lands now in tenure of the said Poythress." Following the second
great massacre, commanded the punitive expedition sent into the Northern
Neck in 1645. Represented Charles City as burgess in 1645 and 1647, and
the new county of Northumberland in 1649 (where he may possibly have a
will of record, although his descendants apparently are found only in
Charles City). Had issue at least three children:

1. Jane [sic], born probably before 1640, married [sic] Thomas Rolfe
(born 1615), a son of John Rolfe and his wife, Pocahontas.

2. Thomas, mentioned as a god-son in Capt. Thomas Paulett of Westover's
will, January, 1643/4; probably d.s.p.[??]

3. Francis, of Charles City, married Rebecca _______.[sic] (In 1675 one
Captain Francis Poythress executed the will of his father-in-law, Capt.
Robert Wynne, in that county.)

(A second grant of land in Charles City was made to "Capn. Francis
Poythres", May 8th, 1648, including 750 acres "at or near unto ye mouth
of ye creek called Baylye's Creek".[sic] See Patent Book II, page 139,
Virginia Land Registry. The location is some two miles east of City Point.)		04/21/2007 12:16:09
[POYTHRESS] [Fwd: Robert Wynne & Mary Poythress]Albert Tims-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Robert Wynne & Mary Poythress
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:22:45 -0400
From: Teresa Baines
To:



Good morning. I sent the following message to indsch19@ally.ios.com
, but it seems the email add is no longer
valid, so I'm trying admin.

Hello, my name is Teresa (Brown) Baines and I'm researching the Wynne
surname (or at least I thought I was.) I've been working on my family
tree for a little over a year, so I'm relatively new at this. My
ggrandfather x8, Robert Wynne, was married to Mary Poythress. I was
reading the information on your site, www.poythress.net
and now I'm more confused than ever. If I
give you the information that I have, do you think you might be able to
assist me?

Thank you,
Teresa Baines		04/28/2007 1:55:34
[POYTHRESS] Poythress InformationDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionI found this information on the web today, as I was wondering around. and
was wondering if anyone knows this source "Colonial Families of VA Compiled
from Internet..." and if it's very valid. This is the second time I've seen
Jane Poythress' mother listed as Alice Payton (Peyton) and think it is
incorrect.

Just curious what you all think?

Thanks
Debbie

ID: I5848
Name: Francis POYTHRESS
Surname: Poythress
Given Name: Francis
Prefix: Capt
Sex: M
Birth: ABT 1600
Death: ABT 1661 in , Charles City, Virginia
_UID: 0A51D0C04D8BFD43AEBD5F59522E9E216512
Note: SOURCE "Colonial Familes of VA Compiled from Internet.." Meek, M P,
p.88-- DPL R975.5 M 494C V 1; World Connect project Doris Gaskill 31 Jan
2003 and chrissy ab ell 27 Sep 2005
Change Date: 18 Apr 2006 at 01:00:00

Father: Joshua POYTHRESS b: ABT 1588 in , London, Middlesex, England

Marriage 1 Alice PAYTON b: ABT 1610
Children
Jane POYTHRESS b: ABT 1630/1640 in London, London, England

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Re: [POYTHRESS] [Fwd: Robert Wynne & Mary Poythress]Deloris RileyTeresa, I have been doing Robert Wynne for many, many years (too
numerous to count) and am always happy to assist a "newcomer". Just
tell me who you are descended from, either Thomas or Joshua or Mary (all
children of Colonel Robert Wynne, Speaker of the House of
Burgesses)--plus, if you can, give me a rundown on your parents' names,
grandparents, and great-grandparents. Deloris Wynne Riley e-mail
delorisriley@satx.rr.com

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Albert Tims
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:56 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] [Fwd: Robert Wynne & Mary Poythress]




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Robert Wynne & Mary Poythress
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:22:45 -0400
From: Teresa Baines
To:



Good morning. I sent the following message to indsch19@ally.ios.com
, but it seems the email add is no longer
valid, so I'm trying admin.

Hello, my name is Teresa (Brown) Baines and I'm researching the Wynne
surname (or at least I thought I was.) I've been working on my family
tree for a little over a year, so I'm relatively new at this. My
ggrandfather x8, Robert Wynne, was married to Mary Poythress. I was
reading the information on your site, www.poythress.net
and now I'm more confused than ever. If I
give you the information that I have, do you think you might be able to
assist me?

Thank you,
Teresa Baines

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Re: [POYTHRESS] [Fwd: Robert Wynne & Mary Poythress]Barbara NealDeloris, if you did not also send a copy of your message directly to
Teresa Baines at her personal email address, you'll need to do so in
order to reach her -- She is apparently NOT a subscriber to our List.
She had just seen earlier-posted stuff on our Poythress researchers
website, and wrote directly to Al Tims as administrator after she was
unable to reach someone. He copied her message to our List, & her
"clearwire" email address is near the top of Al's forward of her message.

Cheers, Barbara
>
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] [Fwd: Robert Wynne & Mary Poythress]
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Robert Wynne & Mary Poythress
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:22:45 -0400
> From: Teresa Baines
> To:
>
> Good morning. I sent the following message to indsch19@ally.ios.com
> , but it seems the email add is no longer
> valid, so I'm trying admin.
>
> Hello, my name is Teresa (Brown) Baines and I'm researching the Wynne
> surname (or at least I thought I was.) I've been working on my family
> tree for a little over a year, so I'm relatively new at this. My
> ggrandfather x8, Robert Wynne, was married to Mary Poythress. I was
> reading the information on your site, www.poythress.net
> and now I'm more confused than ever. If I
> give you the information that I have, do you think you might be able to
> assist me?
>
> Thank you,
> Teresa Baines		04/30/2007 5:27:48
[POYTHRESS] [Fwd: Pocahontas]Albert Tims-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Pocahontas
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:17:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerry coggins
To: POYTHRESS-admin@rootsweb.com



Hi my name is Jerry Coggins and I am a descendant of John Coggins
mentioned chapter 12 of the Poythress family. I have been doing
research on a Native American connection in my family. Could you please
assist me in how the Coggins' family fits in with pochaontas??? Here is
my genealogy not all family members are listed only my direct lineage:


Thank you in advance,
Jerry Coggins


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Re: [POYTHRESS] [Fwd: Pocahontas]JLPJerry, since you referred to "Chapter 12" I'm assuming that you
stumbled onto my Poythress-Wall paper posted at the Poythress website.
I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to help you at all, because I know
of absolutely no connection between the early Coggin/Coggan family and
any Native Americans.

I'm guessing your question about Pocahontas is related to the fact
that many people think that Jane Poythress, sister of Francis
Poythress who married Rebecca Coggan/Coggin, married Thomas Rolfe, son
of John Rolfe and Pocahontas. Insofar as I know there has never been
any evidence to support the legend that Jane Poythress married Thomas
Rolfe, but if she did, then any Poythress or Coggan relationship to
Pocahontas would be purely one by marriage. Or as one of my
associates has quipped, the Poythress family is probably the only
family in America that can certify that it is NOT descended from
Pocahontas!

So, in summary, if you are looking for some Native American blood
relation through either the Poythress or Coggan/Coggin family, I'm
afraid it's not to be found - at least not in the very early years of
Virginia.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Albert Tims
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:37 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] [Fwd: Pocahontas]




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Pocahontas
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:17:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerry coggins
To: POYTHRESS-admin@rootsweb.com



Hi my name is Jerry Coggins and I am a descendant of John Coggins
mentioned chapter 12 of the Poythress family. I have been doing
research on a Native American connection in my family. Could you
please assist me in how the Coggins' family fits in with pochaontas???
Here is my genealogy not all family members are listed only my direct
lineage:


Thank you in advance,
Jerry Coggins


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[POYTHRESS] Will of Joshua Poythress of PG Co, Va in Jan 1739/40Barbara NealBack in Dec 2000 on our List, Lou Poole wrote (during a discussion we
were having about a 1741 court suit Poythress et al vs Harrison), that
he then only had a copy of the abstract of Joshua's will from Weisiger's
"Prince George County, Virginia, Records 1733-1792" p.174.

At that time, Lou further quoted from another book indicating that Mr.
Richard Dunn of Richmond, Va's had, in July 1952, given to the Archives
a copy of the will, dated 17 January 1739, of Joshua Poythress I of
Flower de Hundred which he had found among the papers of his late
father, Dr. William Wilcox Dunn (1870-1952) who was the last descendant
of Joshua Poythress to own Flower de Hundred.

While in Richmond last month for the NGS Conference, I examined that
copy of the will. Below is the transcription of the will, maintained by
the Library of Virginia as their Accession #23849.

Notes: Since this will was dated 17 Jan 1739 old style, or 17 Jan
1739/40, the testator died after 17 Jan 1739/40. In the left margin the
numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4 are written largely, in a manner unrelated to the
various Items of the will. It appears that those numbers were added
later by someone to clarify the order of the four sections of the paper
since the various sections either had already fallen apart at the fold
lines, or were in danger of doing so. The number "4" on the bottom
fourth of the page is written over a "3." The parenthetical markings are
actually straight vertical lines in the original document, unlike any
I've seen before.

My own clarifications are in square brackets. As noted at the bottom
here (and in Lou's earlier message), the labeling on the outside of the
document indicates that this particular handwritten copy of the will was
one made for a Chancery Court case.

Barbara Poythress Neal

= = =
In the name of God, Amen. January the Seventeenth, One thousand seven
hundred thirty nine. I Joshua Poythress of the Parish of Martins Brandon
in the County of Prince George [,] being sick and weak, by [sic; should
be "but"] in my perfect senses and memory (for which I glorify god) and
being willing to settle my affairs and dispose of my Estate do make
constitute and append this to be my last Will & Testament in [the?]
manner and form following Impremis.
["1" in left margin, though no paragraph break here in original] I
commit my Body to be decently [interred?] and my Soul into the hands of
my Almighty God, hoping for salvation & thro' the Merits of that
Immaculate Lamb my Savior Jesus Christ the Righteous.
Item [in left margin] I give and devise my Lands on which I now
live which I bought of Mrs. Elizabeth Duke & Capt. John Hardyman [,] to
my Sons Joshua Poythress & William [torn away is "Poy"]thress to be
equally divided between them when my Son William co["mes" is torn away]
["2" in left margin] to lawful Age & to their Heirs forever, & if either
of my said Sons dye [sic] be["fore" is torn away] they come to Age, then
I give and devise the whole Lands to the Survivor and to his Heirs forever.
Item [in left margin] I give and devise to my said two Sons and to
their Heirs for ever to be equally divided between them as afsd
[aforesaid] all my Land lying at Notaway in Surry County -- the Survivor
to take the whole if either of them dye before they come to lawful age.
Item 3 [in left margin] I give and devise to my said two Sons, and
to their Heirs forever my L["ands" worn away at the fold] which lye on
white Oak & Tom-heaton my Son Joshua to make Choice of the Tract of Land
which he best likes and my Son William To have the oth[er]
Item [in left margin] After the Decease of my Wife (to whose Use I
give all my Stock of Sheep [,] Cattle and Hogs) I direct that the said
Stocks be equally divided between my said Sons William and Joshua,
unless she Think proper to let them have them sooner.
Item [in left margin] I give to my Grandaughter Harwood fifty
Pounds to be paid her by my Executor when she comes to Age or is married.
Item [in left margin] I give to my Son Littlebury Twenty Shillings
my Intent and Will being that my two Sons Joshua & William shall
maintain and keep him during his life decently at their joint and equal
Exp["ense" is partly worn away at the fold].
Item [in left margin; below this word is where the "4" in the left
margin is written over another "3"] All the remainder of my Estate both
real and personal I give and devise to my loving Wife ["my loving" is
underlined] and my sons Joshua Poythress [,] William Poythress [,] and
to my Daughters Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress, and Mary Poythress,
to be equally divided ["to be equally divided" is underlined] between
them when my son Joshua shall come to Age and to ["when my son Joshua
shall come to Age and to" is underlined] prevent all disputes and
Differences which may possibly arrise on such Division I do desire and
direct that my Brothers Robert Poythress [,] William Poythress & my
Friends and Relations, Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress and John Woodlief
or the Survivors of them make a Distribution & Division of The said &c
to be between my Wife & my said five Children. And I do order that no
Appraisem["ent" worn away at paper's edge] or Inventory be made of my
Estate.
[continued on back of top section of the sheet]
Item [in left margin] I revoke and make Null & void all Wills
heretofore by me made.
Item [in left margin] I constitute and appoint my Brother Robert
Poythress and my Cozen Thomas Poythress Executors of this my last Will
and Testament. In Witness whereof I have here unto set my hand & affixed
my Seal the Day and year first above written. Joshua Poythress Sealed
with black Wax
Signed sealed published
& closed in Presence of
Ann Bland
Christian Poythress
Richard Bland
= = =
[on the back of section 3 of the sheet is written the following two
labels, in two different handwritings, likely indicating that this
handwritten copy was one made for a Chancery Court case:]
Joshua Poythress Will [in same handwriting as the document itself]
[and the below 2nd label, in a larger handwriting, with a large "X"
to the left of the following label]
Wall
vs
Poythress		06/03/2007 11:26:50
Re: [POYTHRESS] Will of Joshua Poythress of PG Co, Va in Jan 1739/40Michael TutorThanks Barbara. It is great to finally read the original............Mike


> [Original Message]
> From: Barbara Neal
> To: Poythress List
> Date: 6/3/2007 7:30:36 PM
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Will of Joshua Poythress of PG Co, Va in Jan 1739/40
>
> Back in Dec 2000 on our List, Lou Poole wrote (during a discussion we
> were having about a 1741 court suit Poythress et al vs Harrison), that
> he then only had a copy of the abstract of Joshua's will from Weisiger's
> "Prince George County, Virginia, Records 1733-1792" p.174.
>
> At that time, Lou further quoted from another book indicating that Mr.
> Richard Dunn of Richmond, Va's had, in July 1952, given to the Archives
> a copy of the will, dated 17 January 1739, of Joshua Poythress I of
> Flower de Hundred which he had found among the papers of his late
> father, Dr. William Wilcox Dunn (1870-1952) who was the last descendant
> of Joshua Poythress to own Flower de Hundred.
>
> While in Richmond last month for the NGS Conference, I examined that
> copy of the will. Below is the transcription of the will, maintained by
> the Library of Virginia as their Accession #23849.
>
> Notes: Since this will was dated 17 Jan 1739 old style, or 17 Jan
> 1739/40, the testator died after 17 Jan 1739/40. In the left margin the
> numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4 are written largely, in a manner unrelated to the
> various Items of the will. It appears that those numbers were added
> later by someone to clarify the order of the four sections of the paper
> since the various sections either had already fallen apart at the fold
> lines, or were in danger of doing so. The number "4" on the bottom
> fourth of the page is written over a "3." The parenthetical markings are
> actually straight vertical lines in the original document, unlike any
> I've seen before.
>
> My own clarifications are in square brackets. As noted at the bottom
> here (and in Lou's earlier message), the labeling on the outside of the
> document indicates that this particular handwritten copy of the will was
> one made for a Chancery Court case.
>
> Barbara Poythress Neal
>
> = = =
> In the name of God, Amen. January the Seventeenth, One thousand seven
> hundred thirty nine. I Joshua Poythress of the Parish of Martins Brandon
> in the County of Prince George [,] being sick and weak, by [sic; should
> be "but"] in my perfect senses and memory (for which I glorify god) and
> being willing to settle my affairs and dispose of my Estate do make
> constitute and append this to be my last Will & Testament in [the?]
> manner and form following Impremis.
> ["1" in left margin, though no paragraph break here in original] I
> commit my Body to be decently [interred?] and my Soul into the hands of
> my Almighty God, hoping for salvation & thro' the Merits of that
> Immaculate Lamb my Savior Jesus Christ the Righteous.
> Item [in left margin] I give and devise my Lands on which I now
> live which I bought of Mrs. Elizabeth Duke & Capt. John Hardyman [,] to
> my Sons Joshua Poythress & William [torn away is "Poy"]thress to be
> equally divided between them when my Son William co["mes" is torn away]
> ["2" in left margin] to lawful Age & to their Heirs forever, & if either
> of my said Sons dye [sic] be["fore" is torn away] they come to Age, then
> I give and devise the whole Lands to the Survivor and to his Heirs
forever.
> Item [in left margin] I give and devise to my said two Sons and to
> their Heirs for ever to be equally divided between them as afsd
> [aforesaid] all my Land lying at Notaway in Surry County -- the Survivor
> to take the whole if either of them dye before they come to lawful age.
> Item 3 [in left margin] I give and devise to my said two Sons, and
> to their Heirs forever my L["ands" worn away at the fold] which lye on
> white Oak & Tom-heaton my Son Joshua to make Choice of the Tract of Land
> which he best likes and my Son William To have the oth[er]
> Item [in left margin] After the Decease of my Wife (to whose Use I
> give all my Stock of Sheep [,] Cattle and Hogs) I direct that the said
> Stocks be equally divided between my said Sons William and Joshua,
> unless she Think proper to let them have them sooner.
> Item [in left margin] I give to my Grandaughter Harwood fifty
> Pounds to be paid her by my Executor when she comes to Age or is married.
> Item [in left margin] I give to my Son Littlebury Twenty Shillings
> my Intent and Will being that my two Sons Joshua & William shall
> maintain and keep him during his life decently at their joint and equal
> Exp["ense" is partly worn away at the fold].
> Item [in left margin; below this word is where the "4" in the left
> margin is written over another "3"] All the remainder of my Estate both
> real and personal I give and devise to my loving Wife ["my loving" is
> underlined] and my sons Joshua Poythress [,] William Poythress [,] and
> to my Daughters Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress, and Mary Poythress,
> to be equally divided ["to be equally divided" is underlined] between
> them when my son Joshua shall come to Age and to ["when my son Joshua
> shall come to Age and to" is underlined] prevent all disputes and
> Differences which may possibly arrise on such Division I do desire and
> direct that my Brothers Robert Poythress [,] William Poythress & my
> Friends and Relations, Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress and John Woodlief
> or the Survivors of them make a Distribution & Division of The said &c
> to be between my Wife & my said five Children. And I do order that no
> Appraisem["ent" worn away at paper's edge] or Inventory be made of my
> Estate.
> [continued on back of top section of the sheet]
> Item [in left margin] I revoke and make Null & void all Wills
> heretofore by me made.
> Item [in left margin] I constitute and appoint my Brother Robert
> Poythress and my Cozen Thomas Poythress Executors of this my last Will
> and Testament. In Witness whereof I have here unto set my hand & affixed
> my Seal the Day and year first above written. Joshua Poythress Sealed
> with black Wax
> Signed sealed published
> & closed in Presence of
> Ann Bland
> Christian Poythress
> Richard Bland
> = = =
> [on the back of section 3 of the sheet is written the following two
> labels, in two different handwritings, likely indicating that this
> handwritten copy was one made for a Chancery Court case:]
> Joshua Poythress Will [in same handwriting as the document itself]
> [and the below 2nd label, in a larger handwriting, with a large "X"
> to the left of the following label]
> Wall
> vs
> Poythress
>
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Will of Joshua Poythress of PG Co, Va in Jan 1739/40Barbara NealThanks, Mike. I, too, was glad to finally have a chance to see it & to
be able to transcribe it.
Bpn



06/04/2007 7:36:54
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1782 Southampton Pers. Prop. ListBarbara NealThanks, Maynard. Found the entries you mentioned on p.14 of the group.
Also as I zipped thru the pages, I saw many other surnames familiar to
some of our researchers - Gray, Morris, Turner, Joyner, Atkinson, and
probably more.		06/06/2007 3:47:31
[POYTHRESS] 1782 Southampton Pers. Prop. ListJohn M. PoythressThe Binns family is a couple who run the pay-site
BinnsGenealogy.com. They have copies of original
documents on screen very much like the censuses we see in
various places. Mostly the Binnses seem to have the 1790
and 1800 photocopied property tax lists for most VA counties
and a few other records of personal property taxes.
Stamped all over their material is that they own the
copyright to the material so I can only conclude that one of
them was alive in 1782 and creatively composed the
Southampton personal property lists from his or her own
fecund imagination and subsequently obtained a copyright
from the then as yet unformed U. S. government. Whatever
. Anyway, on rare occasions they post freebies and in
this case they posted the one titled above which I have
scanned. The offer was posted on the Virginia-Southside
page.

The officially designated title of these pages is List of
personal property in the Parish of Nottaway in the County of
Southampton for the year 1782. The poll was taken and
signed Taken by Wm Blount. Below that final entry
certifies that the document at hand is A true copy, signed:
Sam Kello (Kells?).

In addition to the single Poythress entry quoted below are
some familiar Poythress related families: Gilliam, Vaughn,
Atkinson, and Isham. I did not transcribe these and if you
wish to view them the site is:
http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/CDR-000417/1782/
be aware that the two sides of the opened ledger will appear
as two columns on each page on your monitor but they are
easily zoomed.

The following Poythress posts (even in the incidental way
stated) appear:

Proprietor named: John Kirby (Wm Poythress)
Total tithables 2
Total slaves 13
Horses 3
Cattle 19
Wheels -
Amount of tax: £8-0-9

Proprietor named: Turner Kirby
Total tithables 2
Total slaves 9
Horses 4
Cattle 10
Wheels -
Amount of tax: £5-10-6

It is not stated what the relationship is between John Kirby
and Wm Poythress in the
entry. We will recall that a Kirby Poythress was a
revolutionary soldier who himself
appears in the 1787 Southampton personal property roll and
whose heirs were still (unsuccessfully)pursuing his land
bounty grant for revolutionary service as late as 1840.
That there is a connection with this John Kirby is entirely
probable. The second entry
I have recorded simply because it appeared immediately
following the John Kirby entry strongly
suggesting that the two were either of the same household,
or, perhaps more likely, had adjoining properties.

Further, the papers pursuing Kirby Poythress grant spell
out the names of his heirs and the only female eligible
was married to an Andrews. This suggests to me that Kirby
Poythress himself might well have been named after a man
surnamed Kirby instead of one of the Kirby family being
named for a Poythress.

Comments or corrections welcomed before I plug this into our
database.

Maynard		06/06/2007 5:11:49
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1782 Southampton Pers. Prop. ListJLPRegarding the relationship implied by John Kirby and William Poythress
appearing in the same entry - there may not be any, except that they
were near neighbors. Of course, this grouped entry may indicate that
were was some sort of relationship, but just to keep folks from
jumping to the conclusion that there was based on this joint entry,
I'll offer the following observations from earlier tax lists in Isle
of Wight.

It seems the tax "assessor", whose job was really about the same as
the guy who had previously gone around and counted tithes (except here
he counted horses, cattle and wheels, in addition to qualified
"heads") would (hopefully) methodically walk around his neighborhood
taking his tally. His incentive was to get a true count of that
year's taxables; not to leave a record for us to interpret 200 years
later. It would seem that when the "counter" would encounter two
houses in close proximity, he SOMETIMES combined them into one entry
(maybe because one of the neighbors was gone, and the other helped him
get the information?) Thus, I've seen such double and even triple
entries one year in the IOW tax lists, followed the next year by
separate entries, and followed the next year with entries that may be
grouped differently - yet over this short time span it was the same
people and with the same relationships to each other.

Morale of the story: though we often use these tax lists as a
substitute census, the tax man had no such incentive, and probably
couldn't imagine that the day would come when his listing would mean
anything more than his best effort to provide a true count of taxables
within his precinct.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:12 PM
To: AA Poythress List
Subject: [POYTHRESS] 1782 Southampton Pers. Prop. List


The Binns family is a couple who run the pay-site
BinnsGenealogy.com. They have copies of original
documents on screen very much like the censuses we see in various
places. Mostly the Binns’es seem to have the 1790 and 1800
photocopied property tax lists for most VA counties and a few other
records of personal property taxes. Stamped all over their material is
that they own the copyright to the material so I can only conclude
that one of them was alive in 1782 and creatively composed the
Southampton personal property lists from his or her own fecund
imagination and subsequently obtained a copyright
from the then as yet unformed U. S. government. Whatever
. Anyway, on rare occasions they post freebies and in
this case they posted the one titled above which I have
scanned. The offer was posted on the Virginia-Southside
page.

The officially designated title of these pages is “ List of personal
property in the Parish of Nottaway in the County of
Southampton for the year 1782.” The “poll” was taken and
signed “Taken by Wm Blount.” Below that final entry
certifies that the document at hand is “A true copy, signed: Sam Kello
(Kells?).”

In addition to the single Poythress entry quoted below are
some familiar Poythress related families: Gilliam, Vaughn, Atkinson,
and Isham. I did not transcribe these and if you wish to view them
the site is: http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/CDR-000417/1782/
be aware that the two sides of the opened ledger will appear
as two columns on each page on your monitor but they are
easily zoomed.

The following Poythress posts (even in the “incidental” way
stated) appear:

Proprietor named: John Kirby (Wm Poythress)
Total tithables 2
Total slaves 13
Horses 3
Cattle 19
Wheels -
Amount of tax: £8-0-9

Proprietor named: Turner Kirby
Total tithables 2
Total slaves 9
Horses 4
Cattle 10
Wheels -
Amount of tax: £5-10-6

It is not stated what the relationship is between John Kirby and Wm
Poythress in the entry. We will recall that a Kirby Poythress was a
revolutionary soldier who himself appears in the 1787 Southampton
personal property roll and whose heirs were still
(unsuccessfully)pursuing his land bounty grant for revolutionary
service as late as 1840. That there is a connection with this John
Kirby is entirely probable. The second entry I have recorded simply
because it appeared immediately following the John Kirby entry
strongly suggesting that the two were either of the same household,
or, perhaps more likely, had adjoining properties.

Further, the papers pursuing Kirby Poythress’ grant spell
out the names of his heirs and the only female “eligible”
was married to an Andrews. This suggests to me that Kirby Poythress
himself might well have been named after a man surnamed Kirby instead
of one of the Kirby family being named for a Poythress.

Comments or corrections welcomed before I plug this into our database.

Maynard







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[POYTHRESS] Tutor, Thomas, Goode, Childress, King, Pennington, Jones, Bracey, Harwell, PoythressBarbara NealMany surnames other than Poythress appear in the case of
Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery Case 1865-011
Thomas &C versus Thomas &C

The surnames mentioned include: Tutor, Thomas, Goode, Childress, King,
Pennington, Jones, Bracey, Harwell, Joyce, Clack

The case clarifies the middle name of Lucy Thomas who married Thomas M.
Poythress in about 1842-43(? Their marriage may well appear in
Mecklenburg Co Marriage records, but I don't have that info here with
me); the couple lived in Mecklenburg Co, VA. This Thomas M. Poythress
was a son of Lewis Poythress. His wife Lucy was daughter of Bennett
Thomas (Sr.) and Nancy House. From this case we learn that Lucy's
middle name is "Jane" so the middle initial which has previously
confused some of us, due to the similarity in the appearance of the
capital letters "I" and "J" is now clarified.

Some of our Poythress-List participants, and some of our DNA Study
participants, are descended from this couple.

The case gives the name of the road on which Thomas' land was located in
Mecklenburg County (Blacks Road). Further, the case clarifies Lucy's
siblings' names, one of whom has the interesting first name of Taylor.
Further, I find it interesting to see the names of others close enough
to the family to be chosen as witnesses and those chosen as executors,
along with the names of some who had purchased one of the heirs'
property. It is also interesting that apparently the 1865 County Clerk
served (at least temporarily) as Guardian ad litem for minor children
or "infants." I don't recall having seen that before.

Lucy Jane Thomas was one of 12 children of Bennett Thomas, per his will
dated in Aug 1843. If anyone has definitive dates of the lives of any
of these 12, I'd appreciate learning them. Bennett Thomas also mentions
that he had a former marriage, but it is not clear which of these 12
children are from which marriage. Further he mentions Labon House,
described as his Son-in-law: please be aware that in those days, that
term was also used for what we now call Step-son, so it seems likely
that Labon was Nancy's son from a previous marriage of hers. Bennett
Thomas lists his 12 children as:
Taylor Thomas
Richard Thomas
Chas. A. Thomas
Edward Thomas
Bennett Thomas Jr.
David S. Thomas
Kadijah Thomas who intermarried with Benja. Childress
Tabitha Thomas who intermarried with John Wall
Emeline Thomas who intermarried with Geo. W. King
Lucy Jane Thomas who intermarried with Thos. Poythress
Rebecca A. Thomas, now Rebecca A. Tutor
Amanda F. Thomas, now Amanda F. King,

No name is mentioned for whichever Mr. Tutor had married Rebecca A.
Thomas. (Note to Michael, perhaps you can help with that name and some
approximate marriage date?)

This is one of several cases that I ordered copies of, from the Library
of Virginia Archives while I was in Richmond for the recent NGS
Conference. (It is the only case for which I've so far received the copies.)

Following this email, I'll post transcribed/abstracted information from
some of the documents of this case in the next email, including the Bill
of Complaint; some of the Answers to it; and the will of Bennett Thomas,
Sr. I have not finished going through the case, but other documents
must wait for my return from a trip.

Barbara Poythress Neal		06/07/2007 3:09:56
[POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery Case 1865-011Barbara NealBelow are transcriptions and abstracts of several of the documents from
this case, made by Barbara Poythress Neal in Jun 2007. Parenthetical
commas are added by transcriber for clarity.
= = =

The wrapper for the case is handwritten on lined paper. It shows
that this is a Bill in Mecklenburg's C.C. (County Court) titled
Thomas &C vs Thomas &C
It further shows the case was formally filed 5 Jany 1865 with a notation
partly torn that apparently indicated something about public notice
being given to those who were not residents. Below that is the notation
that the case in "1872 Nov T(erm) Dismissed under 7 years ruling"
= = =

First document (the Bill of Complaint in the case) has a long, low
dash in numerous places that seem apparently intended like a period at
the end of a sentence; that punctuation is here transcribed as a period
followed by an underscore, such as this._ The indicated parentheses
around the capital letters A, B, C, and X, appear in the original. The
year-date shown below with an underscore appears in the original only
with the first two digits followed by a blank space.

To the Worshipful Justices of the County Court of Mecklenburg in
Chancery sitting
Your Complainants Edward Thomas(,) Benja. Childress & Kadijah his
wife, Wm. T. Pennington, Jno. W. King admr of Paschel Bracey decd.(,)
Jos. H. Jones admr. of Wm. Jones decd,(,) Amanda F. King(,) Geo. W.
King, Thos. Poythress and Lucy Jane his wife(,) and Rebecca A. Tutor
respectfully represent unto your worships that Bennett Thomas Sr. of
Mecklenburg County departed this life some years since, to wit, in the
year 18__ having first made and published his last will and testament
which was duly admitted to probat (sic) in this Court._ The testator
after the payment of his debts devised & bequeathed all of his real
Estate and slaves to his wife Nancy Thomas for life or widowhood; and at
the happening of either event he directs that this property shall be
equally divided among all of his children, which will more fully appear
from a copy of the will, herewith filed marked (A) and asked to be taken
as a part of this bill. Your Compts. further state that Mrs. Nancy
Thomas the widow of the testator has recently departed this life and the
property held by her under the will of her deceased husband, which now
consists of twenty one slaves, and a tract of Land lying on Blacks Road
in the lower part of this County, Containing some four hundred acres(,)
is now subject & liable to distribution among the Legatees and
distributees of Bennett Thomas Sr. under his will._ Your Compts. further
state that the testator at his death left Twelve children; to wit,
Taylor Thomas, Richard Thomas, Chas. A. Thomas, Edward Thomas, Bennett
Thomas Jr., David S. Thomas, Kadijah Thomas who intermarried with Benja.
Childress, Tabitha Thomas who intermarried with John Wall, Emeline
Thomas who intermarried with Geo. W. King, Lucy Jane Thomas who
intermarried with Thos. Poythress, Rebecca A. Thomas, now Rebecca A.
Tutor(,) and Amanda F. Thomas, now Amanda F. King, these were the
original Legatees and parties entitled to distribution _ but the Compts,
Jno. W. King admr. of P. Bracey and Jos. H. Jones admr. of Wm. Jones,
aver(,) alledge & charge that Taylor Thomas sold and conveyed his
interest in this Estate to Paschal Bracey & Jas. M. Harwell, and that
Wm. Jones purchased the interest of Jas. M. Harwell(,) which was sold
under a decree of the Circuit Court of this County, which was one half
of the interest of the said Taylor Thomas, which will fully appear from
Copies of the deeds & conveyances marked (B) & (C) herewith filed as
exhibits in this Cause._ The Compt. Wm. T. Pennington avers, alledges &
charges that he has purchased and now ownes (sic) the interest of Chas.
A. Thomas in this Estate, which will fully appear from a Copy of the
deed of Conveyance marked (X) and filed as an exhibit in this Cause._
The Compt. Geo. W. King, who intermarried with Emeline Thomas, now dead,
he surviving, avers that he is entitled by right of marriage to her
interest in the slaves, but that his three children who survived their
mother, to wit, Ann(,) Chas(,) & Elizabeth King, are entitled to the
share of their Mother in the Lands._ Your Compts. further state that
Bennett Thomas Jr.(,) one of the original legatees in this Estate(,) has
recently departed this life intestate leaving two infant children, to
wit, (long blank space for their names, which were not added here, but
are shown lower as Ann Thomas & Wm. B. Thomas) who are entitled to their
parents share. Your Compts. further alledge & charge that this
property(,) both Land and slaves which is now subject & liable to
distribution among the parties thereto entitled(,) cannot be divided
equally in kind _ that there are twelve legatees and only twenty one
slaves, some of these are worthless, others so unequal in value, that it
will be entirely impracticable to make twelve equal lots, or any thing
approximating to it; the negroes consisting mostly of women & children._
The tract of Land is small and worth less than three hundred dollars to
the legatee and it will be to the interest of each legatee that it
should be sold, for to divide so small a tract of Land and cut it up
into twelve parcels or lots, would be ruinous and render it valueless to
the parties interested; to effect a division of this property your
Compts. ask that it may be sold._
In consideration of the premises and as your Compts. are without
remedy except in a Court of Chancery, where matters of this kind are
alone cognizable they pray that, Richard Thomas, Chas A. Thomas, Taylor
Thomas, David S. Thomas, Jno. Wall & Tabitha his wife, Ann King, Charles
King, Elizabeth King, Ann Thomas & Wm. B_ Thomas, the last five of whom
are infants, be made parties defendants to this suit and required to
answer the allegations herein contained _ that a guardian ad litem be
appointed for the infant defendants _ that an order of publication be
awarded against the absent defendants Richard Thomas, Chas. A. Thomas(,)
& John Wall & Tabitha his wife who are non_residents of the state of Va.
and that your worships will decree a sale of the Land and slaves in the
bill mentioned and distribute the proceeds among the parties thereto
entitled according to their respective rights, and grant unto your
Compts. such other and general relief in the premises as may seem fit
and proper in a Court of equity and they will ever pray &C.
____ King
for Compts.
= = =

On one lined sheet were two separate Answers to the complaint,
labelled on the back to show the answers were filed 1865 Feby. Both
Answers indicate that they were filed because each of these men were
"advised it is material for him to" do so.
The first Answer is a response from David S. Thomas, saying that
"the facts as stated in the bill are true and he has no objection to a
sale of the property in the proceedings mentioned and the proceeds
divided among the parties according to their respective rights."
The second Answer is of Taylor Thomas, who said "that the facts as
stated in the bill are true, that he has no interest in the subject
matter stated in the bill, having sold his interest therein many years
ago to Jas. M. Harwell & Paschal Bracey."
= = =

Another lined sheet has another Answer filed Jany 1865. Pertinent
portions read:
The Answer of Charles King, Elizabeth King, Ann King, Ann Thomas and
Wm. B. Thomas(,) infants(,) by R.F. Clack their Guardian ad litem ...
says, that as far as he knows, the facts as stated in the bill are true
but submits the rights of these infants to the protection of the Court._
This respondent having fully answered prays to be hence dismissed with
Costs &C_ as he will ever pray &C
= = =

Another lined sheet tends to indicate that the suit may have
actually been presented, if not yet formally filed, in Dec 1864. The
title of the case is written at length, name by name (though still not
indicating the name of the husband of "Rebecca S. Tutor formerly
Thomas." After a summary of the object of the suit, is the following
statement:
This day Jno. W. King made oath that Richard Thomas, Charles A.
Thomas, and John Wall & Tabitha his wife are non residents of the state
of Virginia. Given under my hand this 31st day of Decr 1864._ (signed)
O.H.P. Tanner J.P.
= = =

Bennett Thomas - - Will - - A copy (reads label on back)
I, Bennett Thomas of the County of Mecklenburg and state of
Virginia, living at this time in delicate health, but of sound mind, and
disposing memory, do make, constitute and ordain this as my last will
and testament (or "testimony" -- it is difficult to tell which word
over-wrote the other), revoking all others heretofore made, or
purporting to be made by me. Imprimis. It is my will and desire that my
Just debts be paid as early as can be done, having regard to the best
mode(?) in the sale of the expected crop of Tobacco and surplus of all
others which with the debts ___ (possibly the underline in this copy
indicates that the logical word here, "due" was left out in the
original) me and sale of negro woman Rhoda will no doubt effect this my
desired object._ and the remainder be expended in the purchase of a
young negro, which is to be comprehended in the succeeding bequest.
Item It is my will and desire that my wife Nancy Thomas have the use of
my Estate both real and personal for the support of herself and
maintenance of the children which may remain with her, for and during
her life and widdowhood(sic), and at a proper time after either event
shall cease, to,_(sic) I desire that my estate be equally divided
between all of my children or their heirs by blood, and at this juncture
I desire that my dutiful Son in law Labon House receive the sum of One
hundred Dollars or its equivalent. Item I desire (as early after my
decease as may be convenient) that such of my children by former
marriage as have not received a bed may then be furnished one or its
equivolent(sic) at the option of my wife. Lastly, I hereby nominate
constitue(sic) & appoint my brother David Thomas and my worthy friend
Saml. Goode Esqr. executors of this my last will, with a strong desire
that each of them may take upon themselves the trouble of Execution
thereof. In witness I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal this
the 18" day of August 1800 & forty three. Bennet his mark Thomas Seal
Signed sealed and acknowledged
In presence of us, and of each other
and at the request of the testator
George R. Taylor, Nicholas Joyce, W.T. Pennington
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County at the Court house thereof on
the 18" day of December 1843_ The foregoing last will and testament of
Bennet Thomas dec was produced in court and proved by the oaths of the
subscribing witnesses thereto and ordered to be Recorded.
Teste Richd. B. Baptist C
A copy Teste R.F. Clack
3 January 1865
= = =

A newspaper clipping gives notice by R.F. Clack, Clerk regarding
this case In Chancery, with the signed attached by Jno G. Boyd, Editor
of the "Tobacco Plant" (a newspaper published in Clarksville, Va.)
certifying that the notice was published once a week for four successive
weeks, commencing on 6 Jany 1865. Printers fee $80 Paid by Jno. W. King,
Comr.
(I have not transcribed the clipping itself here; it just confirms
names of all the parties; object of the suit being to obtain a decree to
sell the tract of land and negroes, with none of the property described;
and confirms that the above-mentioned non-residents are non-residents of
Virginia.)
= = =

Note: There is a long document showing who made purchases at the
sale of the estate. I have not had time to go through that yet. I have
not finished going through the case, but other documents must wait for
my return from a trip.

Barbara Poythress Neal		06/07/2007 3:10:23
Re: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery Case 1865-011Julie CabittoBarbara,
Sorry, I've been "out of it". I've been fighting some neurological health
stuff for a few months, but feeling back on my feet this week. I have a
stack of these Mecklenburg County chancery cases & I need to send the
genealogical info on them. They involve Dortch, Speed, Jones (James B. Jones
family from Bracey). And Poythress married into these families. I've read
this chancery case before and I've seen it in the Library of VA.
So I'm telling the list, so if you don't hear from me soon regarding these
chanceries, don't let me forget! I have read through and made notes (and
some copies) for about 20 cases in Mecklenburg Co., VA.
Love,
Julie Cabitto
(Spotsylvania, VA)

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Subject: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery Case 1865-011


> Below are transcriptions and abstracts of several of the documents from
> this case, made by Barbara Poythress Neal in Jun 2007. Parenthetical
> commas are added by transcriber for clarity.
> = = =
>
> The wrapper for the case is handwritten on lined paper. It shows
> that this is a Bill in Mecklenburg's C.C. (County Court) titled
> Thomas &C vs Thomas &C
> It further shows the case was formally filed 5 Jany 1865 with a notation
> partly torn that apparently indicated something about public notice
> being given to those who were not residents. Below that is the notation
> that the case in "1872 Nov T(erm) Dismissed under 7 years ruling"
> = = =
>
> First document (the Bill of Complaint in the case) has a long, low
> dash in numerous places that seem apparently intended like a period at
> the end of a sentence; that punctuation is here transcribed as a period
> followed by an underscore, such as this._ The indicated parentheses
> around the capital letters A, B, C, and X, appear in the original. The
> year-date shown below with an underscore appears in the original only
> with the first two digits followed by a blank space.
>
> To the Worshipful Justices of the County Court of Mecklenburg in
> Chancery sitting
> Your Complainants Edward Thomas(,) Benja. Childress & Kadijah his
> wife, Wm. T. Pennington, Jno. W. King admr of Paschel Bracey decd.(,)
> Jos. H. Jones admr. of Wm. Jones decd,(,) Amanda F. King(,) Geo. W.
> King, Thos. Poythress and Lucy Jane his wife(,) and Rebecca A. Tutor
> respectfully represent unto your worships that Bennett Thomas Sr. of
> Mecklenburg County departed this life some years since, to wit, in the
> year 18__ having first made and published his last will and testament
> which was duly admitted to probat (sic) in this Court._ The testator
> after the payment of his debts devised & bequeathed all of his real
> Estate and slaves to his wife Nancy Thomas for life or widowhood; and at
> the happening of either event he directs that this property shall be
> equally divided among all of his children, which will more fully appear
> from a copy of the will, herewith filed marked (A) and asked to be taken
> as a part of this bill. Your Compts. further state that Mrs. Nancy
> Thomas the widow of the testator has recently departed this life and the
> property held by her under the will of her deceased husband, which now
> consists of twenty one slaves, and a tract of Land lying on Blacks Road
> in the lower part of this County, Containing some four hundred acres(,)
> is now subject & liable to distribution among the Legatees and
> distributees of Bennett Thomas Sr. under his will._ Your Compts. further
> state that the testator at his death left Twelve children; to wit,
> Taylor Thomas, Richard Thomas, Chas. A. Thomas, Edward Thomas, Bennett
> Thomas Jr., David S. Thomas, Kadijah Thomas who intermarried with Benja.
> Childress, Tabitha Thomas who intermarried with John Wall, Emeline
> Thomas who intermarried with Geo. W. King, Lucy Jane Thomas who
> intermarried with Thos. Poythress, Rebecca A. Thomas, now Rebecca A.
> Tutor(,) and Amanda F. Thomas, now Amanda F. King, these were the
> original Legatees and parties entitled to distribution _ but the Compts,
> Jno. W. King admr. of P. Bracey and Jos. H. Jones admr. of Wm. Jones,
> aver(,) alledge & charge that Taylor Thomas sold and conveyed his
> interest in this Estate to Paschal Bracey & Jas. M. Harwell, and that
> Wm. Jones purchased the interest of Jas. M. Harwell(,) which was sold
> under a decree of the Circuit Court of this County, which was one half
> of the interest of the said Taylor Thomas, which will fully appear from
> Copies of the deeds & conveyances marked (B) & (C) herewith filed as
> exhibits in this Cause._ The Compt. Wm. T. Pennington avers, alledges &
> charges that he has purchased and now ownes (sic) the interest of Chas.
> A. Thomas in this Estate, which will fully appear from a Copy of the
> deed of Conveyance marked (X) and filed as an exhibit in this Cause._
> The Compt. Geo. W. King, who intermarried with Emeline Thomas, now dead,
> he surviving, avers that he is entitled by right of marriage to her
> interest in the slaves, but that his three children who survived their
> mother, to wit, Ann(,) Chas(,) & Elizabeth King, are entitled to the
> share of their Mother in the Lands._ Your Compts. further state that
> Bennett Thomas Jr.(,) one of the original legatees in this Estate(,) has
> recently departed this life intestate leaving two infant children, to
> wit, (long blank space for their names, which were not added here, but
> are shown lower as Ann Thomas & Wm. B. Thomas) who are entitled to their
> parents share. Your Compts. further alledge & charge that this
> property(,) both Land and slaves which is now subject & liable to
> distribution among the parties thereto entitled(,) cannot be divided
> equally in kind _ that there are twelve legatees and only twenty one
> slaves, some of these are worthless, others so unequal in value, that it
> will be entirely impracticable to make twelve equal lots, or any thing
> approximating to it; the negroes consisting mostly of women & children._
> The tract of Land is small and worth less than three hundred dollars to
> the legatee and it will be to the interest of each legatee that it
> should be sold, for to divide so small a tract of Land and cut it up
> into twelve parcels or lots, would be ruinous and render it valueless to
> the parties interested; to effect a division of this property your
> Compts. ask that it may be sold._
> In consideration of the premises and as your Compts. are without
> remedy except in a Court of Chancery, where matters of this kind are
> alone cognizable they pray that, Richard Thomas, Chas A. Thomas, Taylor
> Thomas, David S. Thomas, Jno. Wall & Tabitha his wife, Ann King, Charles
> King, Elizabeth King, Ann Thomas & Wm. B_ Thomas, the last five of whom
> are infants, be made parties defendants to this suit and required to
> answer the allegations herein contained _ that a guardian ad litem be
> appointed for the infant defendants _ that an order of publication be
> awarded against the absent defendants Richard Thomas, Chas. A. Thomas(,)
> & John Wall & Tabitha his wife who are non_residents of the state of Va.
> and that your worships will decree a sale of the Land and slaves in the
> bill mentioned and distribute the proceeds among the parties thereto
> entitled according to their respective rights, and grant unto your
> Compts. such other and general relief in the premises as may seem fit
> and proper in a Court of equity and they will ever pray &C.
> ____ King
> for Compts.
> = = =
>
> On one lined sheet were two separate Answers to the complaint,
> labelled on the back to show the answers were filed 1865 Feby. Both
> Answers indicate that they were filed because each of these men were
> "advised it is material for him to" do so.
> The first Answer is a response from David S. Thomas, saying that
> "the facts as stated in the bill are true and he has no objection to a
> sale of the property in the proceedings mentioned and the proceeds
> divided among the parties according to their respective rights."
> The second Answer is of Taylor Thomas, who said "that the facts as
> stated in the bill are true, that he has no interest in the subject
> matter stated in the bill, having sold his interest therein many years
> ago to Jas. M. Harwell & Paschal Bracey."
> = = =
>
> Another lined sheet has another Answer filed Jany 1865. Pertinent
> portions read:
> The Answer of Charles King, Elizabeth King, Ann King, Ann Thomas and
> Wm. B. Thomas(,) infants(,) by R.F. Clack their Guardian ad litem ...
> says, that as far as he knows, the facts as stated in the bill are true
> but submits the rights of these infants to the protection of the Court._
> This respondent having fully answered prays to be hence dismissed with
> Costs &C_ as he will ever pray &C
> = = =
>
> Another lined sheet tends to indicate that the suit may have
> actually been presented, if not yet formally filed, in Dec 1864. The
> title of the case is written at length, name by name (though still not
> indicating the name of the husband of "Rebecca S. Tutor formerly
> Thomas." After a summary of the object of the suit, is the following
> statement:
> This day Jno. W. King made oath that Richard Thomas, Charles A.
> Thomas, and John Wall & Tabitha his wife are non residents of the state
> of Virginia. Given under my hand this 31st day of Decr 1864._ (signed)
> O.H.P. Tanner J.P.
> = = =
>
> Bennett Thomas - - Will - - A copy (reads label on back)
> I, Bennett Thomas of the County of Mecklenburg and state of
> Virginia, living at this time in delicate health, but of sound mind, and
> disposing memory, do make, constitute and ordain this as my last will
> and testament (or "testimony" -- it is difficult to tell which word
> over-wrote the other), revoking all others heretofore made, or
> purporting to be made by me. Imprimis. It is my will and desire that my
> Just debts be paid as early as can be done, having regard to the best
> mode(?) in the sale of the expected crop of Tobacco and surplus of all
> others which with the debts ___ (possibly the underline in this copy
> indicates that the logical word here, "due" was left out in the
> original) me and sale of negro woman Rhoda will no doubt effect this my
> desired object._ and the remainder be expended in the purchase of a
> young negro, which is to be comprehended in the succeeding bequest.
> Item It is my will and desire that my wife Nancy Thomas have the use of
> my Estate both real and personal for the support of herself and
> maintenance of the children which may remain with her, for and during
> her life and widdowhood(sic), and at a proper time after either event
> shall cease, to,_(sic) I desire that my estate be equally divided
> between all of my children or their heirs by blood, and at this juncture
> I desire that my dutiful Son in law Labon House receive the sum of One
> hundred Dollars or its equivalent. Item I desire (as early after my
> decease as may be convenient) that such of my children by former
> marriage as have not received a bed may then be furnished one or its
> equivolent(sic) at the option of my wife. Lastly, I hereby nominate
> constitue(sic) & appoint my brother David Thomas and my worthy friend
> Saml. Goode Esqr. executors of this my last will, with a strong desire
> that each of them may take upon themselves the trouble of Execution
> thereof. In witness I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal this
> the 18" day of August 1800 & forty three. Bennet his mark Thomas Seal
> Signed sealed and acknowledged
> In presence of us, and of each other
> and at the request of the testator
> George R. Taylor, Nicholas Joyce, W.T. Pennington
> At a Court held for Mecklenburg County at the Court house thereof on
> the 18" day of December 1843_ The foregoing last will and testament of
> Bennet Thomas dec was produced in court and proved by the oaths of the
> subscribing witnesses thereto and ordered to be Recorded.
> Teste Richd. B. Baptist C
> A copy Teste R.F. Clack
> 3 January 1865
> = = =
>
> A newspaper clipping gives notice by R.F. Clack, Clerk regarding
> this case In Chancery, with the signed attached by Jno G. Boyd, Editor
> of the "Tobacco Plant" (a newspaper published in Clarksville, Va.)
> certifying that the notice was published once a week for four successive
> weeks, commencing on 6 Jany 1865. Printers fee $80 Paid by Jno. W. King,
> Comr.
> (I have not transcribed the clipping itself here; it just confirms
> names of all the parties; object of the suit being to obtain a decree to
> sell the tract of land and negroes, with none of the property described;
> and confirms that the above-mentioned non-residents are non-residents of
> Virginia.)
> = = =
>
> Note: There is a long document showing who made purchases at the
> sale of the estate. I have not had time to go through that yet. I have
> not finished going through the case, but other documents must wait for
> my return from a trip.
>
> Barbara Poythress Neal
>
>
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[POYTHRESS] 1637 Poythress RecordAlbert TimsDate: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:07:22 -0600
From: PHILLIP BARR
To:


I found a 1637 Poythress record. Interested?

Phillip Barr
New Mexico		06/08/2007 4:37:44
[POYTHRESS] 1637 poythress recordPHILLIP BARRhey guys,
I ran across a 1637 Francis Poythress record. Anyone interested?
digital copy, not a transcription

Phillip Barr		06/08/2007 9:26:48
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1637 Poythress RecordDeloris RileyI would be very interested if it would shed any light on when Francis
Poythress died, or where he was in 1637. Deloris Riley
delorisriley@satx.rr.com

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I found a 1637 Poythress record. Interested?

Phillip Barr
New Mexico

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quotes in the subject and the body of the message		06/08/2007 9:29:55
Re: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery Case 1865-011Barbara NealGood to hear from you again, Julie & hope the health all goes smoothly
from now on. I'm turning off the computer now, for a 10-day trip. Maybe
I'll even be fortunate enough to get to see some of your notes, by
Chancery Case number, when I return.

Barbara		06/08/2007 12:56:56
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1637 poythress recordJames A. SmithYes, thank you for sharing with us.

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Subject: [POYTHRESS] 1637 poythress record

hey guys,
I ran across a 1637 Francis Poythress record. Anyone
interested?
digital copy, not a transcription

Phillip Barr




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quotes in the subject and the body of the message		06/11/2007 2:40:19
[POYTHRESS] Phillip BarrJohn M. PoythressHey, guys, are we sure Phillip Barr is getting our messages?
Suppose he just went to our board,
Got the address, and fired off the email to us with "no"
return address other than the board itself.

If he's not monitoring it, we won't get the answers will he?

Maynard



06/11/2007 3:54:50
Re: [POYTHRESS] Phillip Barr and 1637 Poythress Document
Hi Ya'll. I sent a personal email to him and within minutes, I got the
document as an attachment to an email.

Take care,
Elaine



Hey, guys, are we sure Phillip Barr is getting our messages?
Suppose he just went to our board,
Got the address, and fired off the email to us with "no"
return address other than the board itself.

If he's not monitoring it, we won't get the answers will he?

Maynard




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06/11/2007 7:22:49
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1637 poythress recordJohn M. PoythressAbsolutely positively...fire it along would you. Many, many

Thanks. John M. Poythress

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hey guys,
I ran across a 1637 Francis Poythress record.
Anyone interested?
digital copy, not a transcription

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Re: [POYTHRESS] 1637 poythress recordPhillip, I would really like a copy also.

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06/11/2007 11:07:52
[POYTHRESS] Francis ET ALJohn M. PoythressOriginal document as I had transcribed it some time ago:

►13 Jul 1637 ffrancis Poythers [search: Francis Poythress]
(ffrancis Poythers, Charles City county, 400 acres, July 13, 1637). To all to whom these presents shall come I Sr John Harvey Kt Governor &c sends &c whereas &c Now Know you that I the said Sr John Harvey Kt do with the consent of the Council of State accordingly give and grant unto ffrancis Poythers fower hundred acres of land situate lying and being in the County of Charles Citty lying north upon the heads of the land now in the possession of the said ffrancis Poythers south into the maine woods east upon the lands of Capt. Woodliffe and west of Baylyes Creeke the said fower hundred acres of land being due unto him the said ffrancis Poythers (vizt) fiftie acres for his owne personal adventure into this Colony and three hundred & fiftie acres by and for the transportation at his owne personal costs and charges of seven persons into this Colony whose names are in the records mentioned under this pattent To have and to hold &c dated this 13th of July Anno Domini 1637 --------!
! . Francis Poythers, Richard Wells, Jane Lucas, Thos. Thompson, Richard Farmer, Bryan Raycock, Francis Howes, and Richard Whiting. (Patent Book 1, 1623-43, vol. 1, p. 439).

The will in question as I had transcribed it:

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Wills: John Poythress (No Date) - Proven 11 December 1712
Will of John Poythress - Proven 11 Dec 1712
In the name of God Amen I John Poytres Senr. of Pr. Geo County, Being of Sound perfect Disposeing minde & memory & Calling to mind The uncertainty of This mortall life Desireous to settle That Estate The Allmighty hath been Pleasd to bless me with all between my wife And Chilldren after my deseas doe make this my last will and Testament in manner & form following Provokeing all other wills by me hereto fore made.
Item. I bequeath my Soul to Allmighty God That gave itt Trusting in the merritts and Passion of my Blessed lord and Sviour Christ Jesus for pardon and Remission of all my Sins in generall Desireing that my body be decently Intred after ye manner of ye Church of England to the Discression of my Exrs. Hereafter named ass for my worldly Estate my debts being first paid I give & bequeath ye Same In manner & form following.
Item. I give my Son ffrancis Poythres all that Land & Plantacon I now lived on to him and his Heirs forever.
Item. I give my son David Poythes three Hundred Acres of Land att Tunnatorah to him and his Heirs forever.
Item. I give to my Son Josh Poythres three hundred Acres land at Monkanneck & to his heirs.
Item. I give my Son Robt Poythres Three Hundred Acres of land at ye Indian Swamp to him for his own proper use and behoof nott to make Sail of ye sd ffifty Acres of Land.
Item. I give my Son ffrancis Poythres Two negroes named Coffer & Sis.
Item. I to my son David Poythres two negroes named Jack and Young Mary.
Item. I give to my Son Joshua Poythes two Negroes named Betty & Beck.
Item. I give to my Son Robt Poythres two Negroes named Tom and Young Sarah.
Item. I give to my William Poythres Three negroes named ffrank Cook and Ame & frank Cook at nattuah.
Item. I give to my Son Jno Poythres two negroes & their increase named Bess & Nanny.
Item. I give my Son Peter Poythres two negroes & their Increase named Benn & nanny.
Item. I give to my Loveing Wife Christian Poythres three Negroes Named Catto Usse & Sarah to my loveing wife for Her Proper use and to be at her onw Disposeing.
Item. I give to my Daughter Eleva. Poythres two Negroes named Pegg and her son Tom.
Item. I give to my Daughter Christian Poythres two negroes named Moll and John Cook.
I give to my Loveing wife Christian Poythres my Servt. Jno. Ffeeld Dureing his time and at his freedom to have besides his Corn and Cloathes A Cow & Claf & a new Gunn.
Item. I give to my Daughter Mary Woodleif fforty pds Sterling.
Item. I give all my moveable Estate to be Equally divideed between my wife and Chilldren my son Jno Poythres & son Petr Poythres giving an acct. of wt they have in hand.
Item. I give to my granSon ffrancis Poythres & son of ffra Poythres ye negro Child ye Shu goes withall.
Item. I give to my Loveing wife Christian Poythres my two negro wences Shu & Jude as her own propr Estate to be at her own Disposing.
Item. I apoint my loveing wife & my Son Jno Poythres to be Exrs. Of this my last will and testament.
Item. I apoint my two Brothers Thomas & Joshua Wynne and William Stainback to be ye Deviders of my Estate.
Signed & Sealed in Present Signum
of John F Poythres X
Jno + Winninham (Winningham)
Petr P Leeth
Tho T Leeth
William Stainback
Att a Court held for Prince George County ye 11th December 1712.
The next before Written last Will & Testament of Mr. John Poythres decd. was Proved in Open Court by the Oathes of Jno. Winningham, Peter Leigth & William Standback Wittnesses Thereto & a Probt. Thereof granted Johne Poythres Exr. & Christian Poythres his relict & Exx. named Therein & Att Their motion The same is admitted to record.

As usual, no guarantees on the transcription. I will send a separate email to Phillip Barr which has some other
Poythress documents including the Winningham in question whose property appears to have adjoined that of
Francis Poythres.

Maynard		06/12/2007 2:41:59
[POYTHRESS] Winningham - otherJohn M. PoythressPhillip, some additional, all from Prince George County. I
also searched the predecessor county (Charles City) for
Winningham
and drew a blank. This should not infer that Winningham
was not already in the part of PG that was previously
Charles City;
remember, I only searched my Poythress records so it’s
entirely possible that Winningham was there “in his own
record” earlier than the earliest Prince George date we
have.

13 Jan 1711/12
Will of John Spell of Prince George Co., “very sick & weak”.
To grandson
Thomas Spell, a young cow, mare, and iron pestle. All rest
of my estate to be divided between my wife Anne Spell and my
son George Spell, equally.
Executor: loving friend John Winningham. John ( ) Spell
Wit: David Poythres, Peter Leigh, William Stainbacke
Execution granted to John Woodley, the executor mentioned
therein.
(PG Wills & Deeds, p. 186)


9 Dec 1712
Francis Poythres of Westopher Parish, Prince George County,
to Thomas Poythres of same, for divers good causes and
considerations, especially £20, all my tract in above
parish, known as “Odiums”, 100 acres, bounded by John
Winningham, said Poythres, Deep Bottom Run, dividing line of
Francis and John Poythres, with all houses, etc.
s/ Fra.
Poythres
Wit: E. Goodrich, Rich’d Hamlin, Peter Wynne.
Prince George County, Wills & Deeds 1710-13, p. 179


20 May 1724 (proved)
Will of John Poythres of Martin’s Brandon Parish (p. 706
ff.)

This is an important document as it ties in many individuals
and
shows some interesting subtleties in a transcribed form vs.
in
an abstract. It is transcribed here in full:

In the name of God Amen------
I, John Poythres of Martin’s Brandon Parish in Prince George
County being sick and weak in body, and by the blessing of
God in perfect sense and memory, but calling to mind the
uncertainty of this Mortal Life, and being desirous to
Settle that small estate it has pleased God to bless me with
in this world, do ordain, constitute and appoint this to be
my Last Will and Testament, revoking and making void all
former Wills heretofore by me made, and first and
principally I bequeath my Soul into the hands of Almighty
God, beseeching him to grant me full pardon and transform
for all my Sinne, through the merits of Jesus Christ my
Savior and Secondly my body to be buried decently according
to the discretion of Executors hereafter named---

Impriment. I give and bequeath unto my son John Poythres,
and to his heirs Lawfully gotten forever, my plantation
whereon I now live containing one hundred acres of land
called Colebrooks, taking in the Ivy Point, so running down
Hugh Evans’ Spring Bottom to William Stainback’s Corner
Poplar and I also give and bequeath unto my said son John
Poythres, and to his heirs Lawfully begotten forever, my
tract of Land lying on the Southern side of the inside
Blackwater Swamp, not debarring his Brothers Francis and
William Poythres from getting of Timber for their
plantations axe, and also giving them liberty to drive their
stocks of Hoggs and Cattle upon the land if they shall think
fitt and if it should please God to take him out of the
world before he comes to the age of Twenty-one pass or
without heirs of his Body Lawfully begotten, then my will
and pleasure is that my son ffrancis Poythres should enjoy
and possess all of the above Lands as is mentioned and to
his heirs Lawfully begotten.

Item. I give and bequeath to my son ffrancis Poythes, and
to his heirs Lawfully begotten forever, a tract or parcell
of land lying at and about the place called Brick Chimneys.
Binding upon my son John Poythres and Brother Thomas
Poythres’ Land, around the Deep Bottom, taking in the whole
Tract or Dividend of Land, and if or should it please God to
take him out of this world before he arrives to the age of
Twenty-one or without heirs of his body Lawfully begotten,
then my Will and pleasure is that my son William Poythres
should enjoy and possess all the above said Land mentioned,
and his heirs Lawfully begotten forever----

Item. I give and bequeth to my Two Sons John and ffrancis
Poythres, and to their heirs Lawfully begotten forever, a
tract or parcel of land containing two hundred and eighty
acres, joining to Thomas Poythres’ Land, running a South
course over the hornbranch, and so binding upon John Young,
Dorrell Young, and John Winningham’s lands, to be equally
divided betwixt my two sons John and ffrancis Poythres, and
to their heirs Lawfully begotten forever—

Item. I give and bequeath unto my son William Poythres, and
to his heirs Lawfully begotten forever, one Tract or parcell
containing one hundred and fifty acres more or less, binding
upon Thomas Poythres and Thomas Loveway’s Land formerly
belonging to Joseph Patterson called Powell’s and if it
should please God to take him out of the World before he
comes to the age of twenty-one years or without heirs of his
Body Lawfully begotten then my will and pleasure is that my
son John Poythres enjoy and possess the above mentioned Land
and his heirs Lawfully begotten forever.

Item. I give and bequeath to my son John Poythres, a small
feather bed and furniture, one young mair about three years
old and her increase, to him and his heirs forever---

Item. I give and bequeath to my Son William Poythres, a bay
mair and her increase, to him and his heirs forever.

Item. I give and bequeath to my three sons John, ffrancis
and William all my stock of Hoggs and Cattle to be equally
divided among them, only what I shall give hereafter, unto
my Loving wife Mary Poythres, which is four Cows and Calves
and a parcell of Hoggs as are about Coldbrooks, about twenty
or thirty of them, and my Will further is that as much of
the stock be disposed of as will be of value sufficient to
Enter and survey four hundred acres of Land in the woods
according to Discretion of my Executors, for my son William
Poythres, and to be patented in his name and then the
remaining part of the Stock to be equally divided between my
three sons John, ffrancis and William Poythres and their
heirs forever.

Item. I bequeath to my three sons John, ffrancis and
William Poythres my three negroes, named Betty, Judy and
Grace and their increase to be equally divided when my son
William comes to the age of eighteen years, then they and
their increase to be equally divided between my three sons
John, ffrancis and William Poythres, and to their heirs
Lawfully begotten forever.

Item. I give and bequeath unto my daughter Rebecca Poythres
my negro man named Tom and one featherbed and furniture for
her and her heirs forever.

Item. I give and bequeath unto my daughter Elizabeth
Poythres my negro boy named Jamey to her and her heirs
forever.

Item. I give and bequeath unto my daughter Ann Poythres, my
negro boy named Wills, to her and her heirs forever.

Item. I give and bequeath unto my Loving wife Mary Poythres
my negro woman named Sophie, one feather bed and furniture,
four cows and calves and a parcell of Hoggs as are about
Coldbrooks and all my pewter, brass and iron as I am
possessed with, and my two working horses and all the rest
of the Small matters as is not mentioned in this my Last
Will and Testament, to her and her heirs forever.

And lastly, I do constitute Robert Poythres and John
Woodlief pastures (?)
my whole and sole executors of this my Last Will and
Testament.

Signed, sealed and acknowledged
to us this Last Will & Testament John
Poythres (sealed with a
of the subscribed John Poythres as
waxer)
its contained within this paper in
the presence of us: Fran. Epes,
Junr., William Stainback, John
Winningham (signatures)

At a court held at Merchants Hope for Prince George
County
On the second Tuesday in May----being the twentieth
day of
The said month, Anno Domini 1724:

The above written Last Will and Testament of John Poythres,
dced.—was exhibited to Court by Robert Poythres and John
Woodlief his Executors who made Oath thereto and being
proved by the Oaths of Francis Epes, William Stainback and
John Winningham witnesses thereto, is by Order of the Court
truly recorded and on the motion of said Robert Poythres and
John Woodlief giving their Bond and Surety according to Law.
Certification is granted them for obtaining a Probate of the
said Will in Due Form.
Teste.
William
Hamlin, CC

11 Aug 1724
Will above “truly recorded” (p. 728)

Court at Merchant’s Hope for Prince George County accounted
for list of personal property items valued at £209/14/5.
Signed: John Woodlief )
Robert Poythres ) executors
John Stainback )
John Winningham )
Wm. Stainback ) appraisers


Hope this is helpful to you. Best regards, Maynard		06/12/2007 3:07:04
Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 56s bElaine!

What did it say?

Thanks!
Sue
--- poythress-request@rootsweb.com wrote:

>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. 1637 poythress record (PHILLIP BARR)
> 2. Re: 1637 poythress record (John M. Poythress)
> 3. Re: 1637 poythress record (Denver145@aol.com)
> 4. Re: 1637 poythress record (James A. Smith)
> 5. Phillip Barr (John M. Poythress)
> 6. Re: Phillip Barr and 1637 Poythress Document
> (Denver145@aol.com)
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:26:48 -0600
> From: "PHILLIP BARR"
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] 1637 poythress record
> To:
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> hey guys,
> I ran across a 1637 Francis Poythress
> record. Anyone interested?
> digital copy, not a transcription
>
> Phillip Barr
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:07:39 -0400
> From: "John M. Poythress"
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] 1637 poythress record
> To:
> Cc: "'On Behalf of PHILLIP BARR'"
>
> Message-ID:
>
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>
> Absolutely positively...fire it along would you.
> Many, many
>
> Thanks. John M. Poythress
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
> [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
> PHILLIP
> BARR
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:27 PM
> To: poythress-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] 1637 poythress record
>
> hey guys,
> I ran across a 1637 Francis Poythress
> record.
> Anyone interested?
> digital copy, not a transcription
>
> Phillip Barr
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:07:52 EDT
> From: Denver145@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] 1637 poythress record
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Message-ID:
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>
> Phillip, I would really like a copy also.
>
> Thank you,
> Elaine
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's
> free at http://www.aol.com.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:40:19 -0400
> From: "James A. Smith"
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] 1637 poythress record
> To:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> Yes, thank you for sharing with us.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
> [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com]
> On Behalf Of PHILLIP BARR
> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:27 PM
> To: poythress-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] 1637 poythress record
>
> hey guys,
> I ran across a 1637 Francis Poythress
> record. Anyone
> interested?
> digital copy, not a transcription
>
> Phillip Barr
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:54:50 -0400
> From: "John M. Poythress"
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Phillip Barr
> To: "AA Poythress List"
> Message-ID:
>
<20070612015450.EMRC29467.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@D4LGPQ11>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hey, guys, are we sure Phillip Barr is getting our
> messages?
> Suppose he just went to our board,
> Got the address, and fired off the email to us with
> "no"
> return address other than the board itself.
>
> If he's not monitoring it, we won't get the answers
> will he?
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:22:49 EDT
> From: Denver145@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Phillip Barr and 1637
> Poythress Document
> To: Poythress-L@rootsweb.com
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
> Hi Ya'll. I sent a personal email to him and within
> minutes, I got the
> document as an attachment to an email.
>
> Take care,
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress #1John M. PoythressElaine...I already have them both transcribed and I'll try
to get 'em dug off the hard drive for you

and the group. Also have some Winnington stuff and I'll
copy Phillip Barr.



Maynard



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From: Denver145@aol.com [mailto:Denver145@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:32 PM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Fwd: Poythress #1



Hi Maynard. Hope you and yours are well.



I am sending the 2 documents that Phillip sent me. If you
would be so kind as to send me a transcription when you get
it done, I would appreciate it. It all looks like Greek to
me. This will come as two separate emails.



Hugs,

Elaine





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See what's free at AOL.com
.		06/12/2007 7:20:32
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1637 poythress recordHi Phillip,

So good to hear from you. Sorry for my delayed response due to
my travels. I would very much appreciate getting a digital copy
of the 1637 Francis Poythress record.

Cheers,
Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
>From: PHILLIP BARR
>Sent: Jun 8, 2007 3:26 PM
>To: poythress-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: [POYTHRESS] 1637 poythress record
>
>hey guys,
> I ran across a 1637 Francis Poythress record. Anyone interested?
>digital copy, not a transcription
>
>Phillip Barr
>
>
>
>
>-------------------------------
>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message		06/12/2007 10:14:28
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1637 poythress recordnancy thompson
06/12/2007 12:51:40
[POYTHRESS] 1782 Dinwiddie Personal Tax RollsJohn M. PoythressBelow is this week's free sample from Binns Genealogy. I
certainly hope they intend to make a practice of this. The
orginal microfilm is on line at:
http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/CDR-000403/1782/.
Notice that the
"count" for the slaves is extended to include the given
names. While it's always a long shot if indeed any of these
names might be useful in someone's eventual A/A research, I
have included them anyway. If you go to the source document
you will find that the microfilm copies are quite poor and I
did a lot of guessing. In addition to questions about
names, in fact, even in looking at ALL of the pages I wasn't
able to figure out the headings for columns 6 and 7. If
someone comes behind me with additions/corrections you will
be appreciated. Given that ANY Dinwiddie records are rare,
these should be helpful to us.

Incidentally, I also included the record for Anthony
Peniston as one of his likely married one of the Poythress
girls and took her to Kentucky.


A LIST OF TITHES AND TAXABLE PEOPLE TAKEN BY DANL ROSE,
GENT. THE 10TH DAY OF APRIL, 1782 FOR DINWIDDIE COUNTY:

Estate of Anthony Peniston (p. 11)

Cross, Hester,_______, _______, Sylvia, Judah, Aggy.
Free male tithes 1
Negro tithes 4
Negroes under age 2
No. horses 4
No. cattle..............1
___ tables (?) 11
(?) ______
Wheels ______

Do Anthony Peniston (p. 12)
Hoddy, Fred, Moll, Annica, Fanny, Jimey
Free male tithes __
Negro tithes 5
Negroes under age 1
No. Horses 3
No. Cattle 21
___ tables (?) __
(?) __
Wheels __

For Peter Poythress
John Lamb, Joe, Bill, Paul (?), Biddy, Winny, China, Ned,
Antony, Kate, Moll,
Pat, Isham, Maria, Aggy, Matt, Sarah, Bick (?).
Free male tithes 1
Negro tithes 6
Negroes under age 11
No. Horses 3
No. Cattle 23
.tables (?) _
(?) _
Wheels _
Francis Poythress D. G. Meanly (?), Dick
Free male tithes 2
Negro tithes 1
Negroes under age _
No. Horses _
No. Cattle _
.tables (?) _
(?) _
Wheels _

Peter Poythress
Matt, Moses, Scott, Moll, Pall (?), Sarah, Pris, Jane, Tab,
Sid, Peg, Hannah,
Peter, Chance, Dilse (?), David, Mingo, Stephen (?), Tab,
Billy, Tab, Nelly,
Lilly, Beck, Tom, Aggy.
Free male tithes _
Negro tithes 12
Negroes under age 14
No. Horses (?)
No. Cattle 47
.tables (?) _
(?) _
Wheels _


I'll wait on generously contributed corrections before
committing this to the database.

Maynard		06/13/2007 11:05:25
[POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg chancery casesJulie CabittoI finally pulled out all my Mecklenburg Co., VA chancery cases. Here the summary...
It looks like I don't have the hard copy for the one Barbara was referencing case 1865-011.
I have several cases (abt 9) that probably wouldn't be regarding early Dortch's.

I have: 1802-007 CC regarding David Dortch Sr. estate. This would be the father of David Dortch that was married to Elizabeth Taylor.

I also have some Rottenberry and Jones chanceries which were neighbors of the Poythress & Thomas in Blackridge/Bracey area.

I have some other Thomas chancery things, but they don't seem to be relevant to the Poythress either.
I do have one where Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed inherit Sarah's father's land and they are sued. Newman would be the father-in-law of Sarah Poythress that married William Archer Dortch. Also father of Mary Speed Dortch that married David Poythress. I mentioned that case probably a year ago. Otherwise, I can't find Poythress connections to my chanceries. Sorry.

Love,
Julie		06/14/2007 3:21:00
[POYTHRESS] Taylor will- connected to Rebecca Taylor? -Mecklenburg VAJulie CabittoI was looking through my chanceries. I still keep wondering about this will, so I wanted to re-post it.
Lewis Poythress was born abt 1860 and married Rebecca Taylor 9 Apr 1802. There's 4 possible children for Rebecca and Lewis: Rebecca 1809 (marries Benjamin Stanley); Lewis Y. Poythress 1803 (marries Marcy C. Ferguson); Thomas 1815 (marries Lucy Thomas), Sarah 1816 (marries William Archer Dortch).

So,... this will is for James Taylor in Surry Co. VA, (where a lot of early Mecklenburg people came from). He died in 1786, leaving 3 children: son Francis, son James, daughter Martha White, and his wife is Rebecca Taylor.

Lewis had a previous marriage to Elizabeth "Patsey" Giles in 1793.

I'm still wondering if Rebecca Taylor could be Taylor by marriage, not a maiden name. The will doesn't state how old this Rebecca Taylor's children are. but the daughter is old enough to marry. The question is if Rebecca isn't too old to have children until 1816 with Lewis Poythress. It's hard because only names are given, do dates or ages.

Here's a hypothetical:
If Rebecca Taylor (of Surry) is a widow in 1786, and her married daughter is 18 and newly married, and Rebecca was 18-20 when she had Martha Taylor White, that could put her born abt 1766. Then if it where the same Rebecca to have Sarah in 1816 that would put this Rebecca as 48 years old when she had Sarah. That's pushing the age limit a bit much.

Anyhow, I'll keep trying to find a document that gives some ages of these Taylors and see what more I can find on Taylor connections in Mecklenburg. There's so many Taylors!
Love,
Julie		06/14/2007 3:34:21
Re: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg chancery cases-correctionJulie CabittoGoof on email. Sorry. I meant to say the cases were early Dortch's, probably
not relevant to Poythress list. No mention of Poythress in these cases.
Love,
Julie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Cabitto"
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:21 AM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg chancery cases


>I finally pulled out all my Mecklenburg Co., VA chancery cases. Here the
>summary...
> It looks like I don't have the hard copy for the one Barbara was
> referencing case 1865-011.
> I have several cases (abt 9) that probably wouldn't be regarding early
> Dortch's.
>
> I have: 1802-007 CC regarding David Dortch Sr. estate. This would be the
> father of David Dortch that was married to Elizabeth Taylor.
>
> I also have some Rottenberry and Jones chanceries which were neighbors of
> the Poythress & Thomas in Blackridge/Bracey area.
>
> I have some other Thomas chancery things, but they don't seem to be
> relevant to the Poythress either.
> I do have one where Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed inherit Sarah's father's
> land and they are sued. Newman would be the father-in-law of Sarah
> Poythress that married William Archer Dortch. Also father of Mary Speed
> Dortch that married David Poythress. I mentioned that case probably a year
> ago. Otherwise, I can't find Poythress connections to my chanceries.
> Sorry.
>
> Love,
> Julie
>
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> quotes in the subject and the body of the message		06/14/2007 3:44:50
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1637 Poythress RecordJohn M. PoythressI would be very interested if it would shed any light on
when Francis
Poythress died, or where he was in 1637. Deloris Riley


Deloris....I thought we had covered this two or three times
before. Anyway, we have Francis (1) pinned in Charles City
County with a chronology from Feb, 1632 to March, 1643 and
these documents would suggest it's a cinch he didn't go
anywhere else outside of CC County inside this 11 year
"window." To wit:

9 Feb 1632
An early record of Lieut. Francis Poythress: In the Virginia
Magazine, Vol. 31, p. 295: “Minutes of the Colonial Council
9 February 1632.” Upon Frauncis Poythress his peti’con there
is graunted unto him a l’re of administra’con upon the
estates of Thomas Hall and Roger Kidd, deceased.” (Dr. W.
B. Hall, W&M Quarterly, Vol. 15, p 247,1935).

1634
Charles City County formed in 1634 as one of the 8 original
counties (shires).

2 Oct 1634
Deed, 2 Oct in the 10th year of reign of Our Sovereign Lord,
Charles,Thomas Pawlett of Westover, Va., Esq. to John Fludd,
Gent. of same, for diverse goods, etc. 50 acres in
Corporation of Charles parcel, now in possession of said
Fludd, A.D. 1634 Wit: John Hermon, Edward Fellowes
Signed: Tho. Pawlett Recorded 1 Apr
1642


9 Jul 1635
Grant: Thomas Bailie, 150 acres near the mouth of a creek
called Baylys Creek. (Wm & Mary Qtrly Series I, vol. 9, p.
228)

19 Sep 1637
Abstract: The Lords of the Privy Council to the Governor
and Council of Virginia. Whereas, Lawrence Evans, merchant,
sent last year for Virginia in the Rebecca, the George and
the Hopewell not only divers servants, but goods to the
value of £ 2000, and a factor who died on the way. Where
upon much of said Evans’ goods were embezzled by the Masters
Rich. Buckham, Robt. Page and Wm. Smith, and their mariners,
and the residue was delivered to one Francis Poetres,
another of Evans’ factors there, who returns but £150 in
commodities for the said £2000. Having taken the same into
consideration their Lordships not only think fit that Evans
should receive all lawful favour and relief, but be assisted
with the power of this board. They are therefore required
to take a strict examination and find out the fraud and
afford Evans their best favour, help, and assistance in the
speedy recovery of his said goods. Draft with corrections.
(Colonial Papers of Virginia, “Privy Council to Governor, &c
of Virginia”, Virginia Hist. Magazine, vol. 9, p. 268, 1901)

26 Mar 1639
“Governor Harvey has set up a commission consisting of John
Chew, Thomas Stegg, Thomas Burbage and George Ludlowe,
merchants, to examine the complaint of Laurence Evans,
merchant, against abuses committed by his factor Thomas
(sic, s/b Francis) Poythres, a planter of Virginia.”
(Calendar of State Papers, American and Colonial Series, Ed.
Sainsbury, W. N., Pub. Longman & Green, 1860). The “four of
the ablest merchants in Virginia” above, arbitrators,
decided that Evans’ present factor should pay Poythress £10
in the hundred for goods sold and tobacco received. (Dr. W.
B. Hall, William & Mary Quarterly, Vol. 15, p. 78, 1935)

23 Jul 1639
Report of Sub-Committee for foreign relations to the Lords
of Privy Council on petition of Lawrence Evans and letter
from the Governor and Council in Virginia concerning their
proceedings in cause between Evans and Poythress as of March
23, 1639 – directed a further inquiry when Evans was to go
to Virginia himself. (Sainsbury Papers, XIV, p. 77;
Colonial Papers, X, # 29, p. 77) See Virginia Historical
Magazine, Vol. 12, p. 394, 1904.

1641/42
Following appears to be an incomplete fragment of a Charles
City County Order book for 1641/2 which itself is identified
as a fragment by researcher B. B. Weisiger, referenced as
Mss3c3807 a26, Virginia Historical Society: Following an
unrelated deposition by one
William Thomas comes a deposition of William Hinman, age 20,
having to do with a Mrs. Heyman’s calves, Mr. Poythris’s
house, etc. Entry is significant to Poythress research only
for the mention of “Mr. Poythris’s house”, without question
Francis RBB 0, Lt. Poythress at the time shown in the entry
immediately following.

2 Mar 1643
Att the Grand Assemblie holden at James Citty 2d of March,
1643, P’sent. Sr. William Berkeley Knt Governor &c, The
Names of the Burgesses for the Severall Plantacons in this
Collony. Vizt. (among others) Charles Citty County: Capt.
Edw: Hill, Left ffr Poyethres, Mr John Bishop, Mr John
Westropp. (Minutes of Grand Assembly of Virginia,
2 Mar, 1643, Virginia Historical Magazine, vol. 23, p. 228,
1914)


Then, in 1645, he is appointed to lead men north of the
Rappahannock (ultimately to become Northumberland County):

2 Mar 1645/6
Act XVIII – Whereas the Governor, Council and Burgesses of
this present Grand Assembly have maturely weighed and
considered the great and vast expense of the colony, in
prosecuting the war against our common enemies the Indians,
and the almost impossibility of a further revenge upon them,
they being dispersed and driven from their townes and
habitations, lurking up and downe the woods in small
numbers, And that a peace (if honourably obtained) would
conduce to the better being and comoditie of the country,
have enacted, and be it therefore enacted by the authority
aforesaid, That three-score be forthwith raised on the north
side of the James River, well provided with fixed guns, shot
bags and swords, That is to say from Henrico 2 men, Charles
Cittie countye 13, Yorke county 16, Warwick county 8, Eliz.
Citty county 8 and Northhampton county 9- All of which said
men shall march under and be obedient to the command of
Leift. Fra: Poythers in the managing of any occasionall war,
And that upon all emergent occasions in the treaty for the
accommodation of a peace, the said Leift. ffrancis Poythers
shall follow the advice of Capt. Henry Fleet, And that the
said Capt. Henry Fleet shall according to his undertakeing
and propositions made to the Grand Assembly provide and make
readie his barque, boat and shallop, victuals and men for
the manageing of the said vessels for the space of sixe
weeks…[description of provisions]…and if it shall soe happen
that a peace may not or cannot be concluded, that then they
the said Fleet and Poythers shall erect and build a forte in
any convenient place in Rappahannock River, or before if
they shall soe think fitt, And follow such further
instructions as shall be given them, by this Grand Assembly
or the Governour and council.
(Grand Assembly Holden at James Cittie, The Second of March
1645/6, Mss in Library of Congress and as compiled in
Hening’s Statues Vol. 1, pp. 317-318)


There is documentation that he fulfilled this
responsibility, following which the governor makes
Northumberland into a county, of which Francis is a Burgess:

Oct 1644 (* see below)
Northern Neck Burgesses (Jamestown VA Assemblies)
Assembly of October, 1644:
Northumberland County... Capt. Fr. Poythers (Poythress), Jo.
Trussell.
(Source: Haynie, Miriam, “The Stronghold, A Story of
Historic Northern Neck of
Virginia and its People, p. 217)

31 Jul 1648
Francis Poythres binds himself to Tho Boys “to buy and
procure one man servant from the age of 18 to 30 yeares to
serve by Indenture “fower or five yeares” to be delivered
by 1st Feb next for 40 lb. Beaver. Signed: Fran: Poythres.
Wit: John Hiller, Tho. Baker.
Rec. 9 Nov 1657. (N. Co. Records 1653-1657)

12 Oct 1648
Grand Assembly, beginning the twelfth of October 1648:
It is enacted by the Governor, Council, and Burgesses of
this Grand Assembly, That the 9th act of Assembly a’o 1647 1
for the reducing of the inhabitants of Chickcoun and other
parts of the Neck of land between Rappahanock River and
Potomack River be repealed, and that the said tract of land
be hereafter called an knowne by the name of the county of
Northumberland 2, And that henceforth they have power of
electing Burgesses for the said county to serve all
Assemblies upon lawful summons from the Governor, which they
are authorized to doe by virtue of this act to the next
sessions of this Assembly, And it is further thought fitt
that patents be granted unto them for theire lands with such
reservations and provisoes & upon such certificates of right
as is usuall granted to the planters by virtue of his
Majesties instructions or otherwise. And it is further
enacted,
That the said inhabitants de futuro be rated proportionably
in all levyes to the rest of the inhabitants of the colony,
And that they make payment of all assessments made by this
Assembly and all arrears due from them, for which their so
doeing Capt. Francis Poythers
(Poythress) hath undertaken to the Assembly who is therefore
authorized to collect the same, with power to distreyn in
case of refusal either of the said arrears or of the leavye
ordered att this sessions of Assembly.
Hemings footnotes:
1 This is an erroneous reference, as indeed most of the
references in the MS acts are; no such law as this appearing
among the acts of 1647. See Act XXIX of October 1646.
2 The name of Northumberland first occurred in the IX’th act
of February, 1644-5. In November, 1645, it was represented
by one member in the General Assembly, as also in 1647.
(Hening’s Statues of Virginia, Vol. 1, p. 352)

10 Oct 1649
Grand Assembly, Holden at James Cittie The 10th Day of
October 1649. (Mss in Library of Congress, also Hening’s
Statues, Vol. 1, pp. 358-359) Hening: Charles I was
beheaded 30th of January, 1649. From that point, the
Commonwealth in England commenced and continued with
modifications until the restoration (Charles II) in 1660.
Burgesses noted in the minutes of this assembly:
Northumberland : Capt. Francis Poythers (Poythress), Mr. Jo.
Trussell; Charles City: Capt. Edward Hill, Charles Sparrow.

24 May 1650
These are to Certifie that accordinge to sufficient proofe
made before us there is due to Francis Gray 300 acres of
land by Assignment from Capt Poythers (Poythress)for the
transportacon of these severall persons into this Colony,
Vizt John Tomlinson, Richard Miller, James Walrod, Daniell
Moore, John Symson, Mary King. (Northumberland Deeds, Orders
1650-52, p. 41, transcription by Sparicio, R. & S.)
(Note: a second transcription of the above document rendered
by W. Preston Haynie,
Heritage Books shows transportees 2 and 3 as “Richard
Willis, James Balerod”,
other entries being identical)

24 May 1650
These are to Certifie that accordinge to sufficient proofe
made before us that there is due unto John Hillier by
Assignment from Capt Francis Poythers (Poythress) two
hundred acres of land for the transportacon of these
severall persons into this colony. Vizt Edward Coward,
Elizabeth Bridges, Mary Boyes, Morris Ager, as also for his
own adventure two persons, Edward Trowell, Robert Danes.
(Northumberland County Deeds, Orders 1650-52, p. 41,
transcription by Sparicio, R. & S.)
(Note: a second transcription of the above document rendered
by W. Preston Haynie,
Heritage Books, shows transportees 1,3,4,5 & 6 as “Edward
Tovend [Corend?], Mary Hayes, Morris Oger, Edward Crowell,
Robert Jones”)

20 Sep 1651
Mr. Hallowes his Acco of Mr. Sedgraves estate. “The Account
of Mr. John Hallowes Administrator of all and singular the
Goods and Chattles of Mr. Robert Sedgraves late whilst he
lived in the County of Northumberland in the Colony of
Virginia, deceased taken the 20th of September 1651.” Items
included: Impr: paid and laid out to Jo. Briscoe, Item: paid
to Mr. Pope, Itm paid Mr. Chaddocke, Itm paid to Capt.
Baldridge, Itm paid to Capt. Hill for him, Itm paid to Mr.
Hiller, Itm paid Capt. Poythers (Poythress), Itm paid to Wm.
Hardich, Itm. paid Mr. Speke. Total of account 3844 lb.
tobo”. ( p. 9, N. Co., Record Book # 14).


* Mr. Haynie has been found wanting on at least a couple of
occasions. It's difficult to see how Francis can be a
Burgess of Northumberland County in 1644 when he has not
been sent on his Rappahannock mission nor has Northumberland
been made into a county which seems to have happened in
1648-9 even though Hening contradicts this with a date of
1644-47.

I don't deem the conflict of these dates to be of any great
substance as it's fairly clear that Northumberland became a
county along about the time Francis and his troops pacified
it and that Francis became its Burgess with his last
recorded act being the 20 Sept 1651 entry above.

The remaining question seeming to be where and/or when did
he die? Well, obviously he is dead by 1675 which is the
date of Capt.Wynne's will and Francis' widow Mary is still
alive as cited in the will. I would speculate that he
remained in Northumberland County and died there sometime
following 1651. Granted, this point becomes only a matter
of opinion.

Maynard		06/14/2007 10:03:10
[POYTHRESS] Poythress Y-DNA - apology & correctionBarbara NealDear All,

I owe an apology & a correction for earlier mis-statements I've made to
you about the Haplogroup results of one of our Poythress Y-DNA Study
participants. His test results on the various markers were very
different from the test results of our other participants. His results
were SO different at the 37-marker test level, that there was no point
in him ordering the 67-marker test. (Thus at Y-search.org, only 37
markers are shown for him, while each of our other participants has seen
results for 67-markers.)

While most of our participants' results are shown as being in the
overall Haplogroup "R1b," that one participant whose results are so
different, is shown as being in Haplogroup "A."

Earlier, I had erroneously said that I understood that Haplogroup A was
one showing American Indian in the lineage. I am not sure now where I
had mistakenly picked up that idea, but I have learned I was wrong, and
I'm sorry to have spread confusion.

While I was in Richmond recently for the NGS Conference, I attended
various sessions on DNA. Presenters referred to several Y-DNA
Haplogroups showing American Indian origins, but none of them mentioned
Haplogroup A for males as having that origin. I asked one knowledgeable
presenter about Y-DNA haplogroup A, and he assured me it is not American
Indian, though he could not then recall what it does indicate.

I've now done further search on the web. Below is info I found today on
the site of the International Society of Genetic Genealogy, at links
from its main page for the different haplogroups. Their main page is:
http://www.isogg.org/tree/index.html

From this very academic site, shown below is what scientists currently
have posted to it regarding thousands-of-years-ago origins of both
Haplogroup A, and of Haplogroup R1b. (International Society of Genetic
Genealogy (2007). Y-DNA Haplogroup Tree 2007, Version: 2.03, Date: 17
June 2007, http://www.isogg.org/tree/ accessed today, 21 Jun 2007)

Haplogroup R1b (of all our other participants):
"Y-DNA haplogroup R is mainly represented in two lineages. Lineage R1a
is thought to have originated in the Eurasian Steppes north of the Black
and Caspian Seas. It is associated with the Kurgan culture, known for
the domestication of the horse (approximately 3000 B.C.E.). This lineage
is currently found in central and western Asia, India, and in Slavic
populations of Eastern Europe. A well-known individual of the R1a
lineage is Somerled founder of Clan Donald. Lineage R1b originated prior
to the end of the last ice age where it was concentrated in refugia in
southern Europe and Iberia and is the most common in European
populations. It is especially common in the west of Ireland where it
approaches 100% of the population. This haplogroup contains the Atlantic
modal STR haplotype."

Haplogroup A (of the one participant):
"Y-DNA haplogroup A represents the oldest branching of the human Y
chromosome tree. Like Y-DNA haplogroup B, the A lineage is seen only in
Africa and is scattered widely, but thinly across the continent. These
haplogroups have higher frequencies among hunter-gather groups in
Ethiopia and Sudan, and are also seen among click language-speaking
populations. Their patchy, widespread distribution may mean that these
haplogroups are remnants of ancient lineages that once had a much wider
range but have been largely displaced by more recent population events."

My sincere apology for my earlier mis-statement,

Barbara Poythress Neal		06/21/2007 11:23:05
[POYTHRESS] Additional info Re: Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery Case 1865-011Barbara NealBelow is the additional information I'm posting from other documents in
the above-captioned case. See my original message of 7 Jun 2007 for the
first documents I transcribed from this case.
Barbara Poythress Neal

The detailed caption of this Chancery Case (without use of the "&c" or
"Etc") and its object are shown as follows, in the newspaper clippings
enclosed in the case file. This newspaper notice was published for 4
weeks in January 1865 in the "Tobacco Plant" (a newspaper published in
Clarksville, Va.) and posted at the front door of the court house, in
attempt to notify the non-resident defendants Richard Thomas, Charles O.
Thomas, and John Wall and Tabitha, his wife, who were given one month to
respond:
Edward Thomas, Benjamin Childress and Kadijah his wife, formerly
Thomas, Wm. T. Pennington, John W. King, adm'r of Paschal Bracy, dec'd,
Joseph H. Jones, adm'r of William Jones, deceased, Amanda F. King,
formerly Thomas, George W. King, Thomas Poythress and Lucy Jane his
wife, formerly Thomas, and Rebecca A. Tutor, formerly Thomas, Plfs.
[Plaintiffs]
Against
Richard Thomas, Charles O. Thomas, Taylor Thomas, David S. Thomas, John
Wall and Tabitha his wife, formerly Thomas, Ann King, Charles King and
Elizabeth King, infant children of George W. King and Emeline King his
wife, formerly Emeline Thomas, Ann Thomas and William B. Thomas, Infant
children of Bennett Thomas, jr., deceased, Defts. [Defendants]
The object of this suit is to obtain a decree for the sale of a tract
of land and negroes held by the late Nancy Thomas, during her life,
under the will of her husband, Bennett Thomas, sen'r, deceased, and to
distribute the proceeds thereof among the parties thereto entitled,
according to their respective rights.
[Final lengthy paragraph of the clipping is about this newspaper
article giving notice to the non-resident defendants.]

Copies of two documents in the case show that Charles O. Thomas was a
resident in 1854 in Cobb County, Georgia. (Note that Cobb is the county
of Marietta, Georgia, now immediately adjacent to Atlanta.) Charles sold
his interest in property he was due to get from the estate of his
father, Bennett Thomas, late of Mecklenburg County, Virginia, to Reuben
Latimer of Cobb Co, GA. That same year Latimer sold that same interest
to Wm. T. Pennington of Mecklenburg County, VA. Oddly, in the copies in
this Chancery Case, Latimer's sale to Pennington was dated 7 Feb 1854,
and Charles O. Thomas' sale to Latimer was dated 20 Sep 1854.

A copy is enclosed in the case of the 7 Oct 1845 indenture by which
Taylor Thomas and his wife Margarett of Mecklenburg Co, VA sold to James
M. Harwell & Paschal Bracy, his (Taylor Thomas') interest in the
property he was due to get from the estate of Bennett Thomas after the
death of Nancy Thomas, the widow of said Bennett Thomas.
Another document shows that Harwell's half of that interest was
conveyed to William Jones on 19 Oct 1857.

A decree was issued by theMecklenburg County Court at the Feby Term
1865 to sell the property of the estate of Bennett Thomas.

[Document accounting for the sale. Note that in this document some of
Bennett Thomas' children, including Lucy Jane Poythress, are mentioned.
We also learn of the death of one of those children. I am listing the
amounts immediately after the sold asset, with a dollar sign each time
rather than just at the top of the list; in the original, all these
amounts are in a column on the right side. The original has ditto marks
on many lines for the words "Negro" and "pur. by" I am leaving off the
zero pennies shown on most of the dollar amounts.]
In compliance with a decree of the County Court of Mecklenburg County
rendered at the Feby Term 1865 in the case of Thomas &C vs. Thomas &C,
we did on the 2nd day of March 1865, sell to the highest bidder for cash
the Land & slaves belonging to the Estate of Bennett Thomas Sr. decd.
One tract of Land containing 453 acres, purchased jointly by Edward
Thomas, Rebecca A. Tutor, Amanda F. King, Benj. Childress and Lucy J.
Poythress at $15.25 pr. acre $6908.25
Negro Man Watt pur. by Hiram Richardson $3250
" " Big Sam [by] W.W. Spain $5600
" Girl Mary [by] Ed. Dix $3550
" Boy George [by] Wm. R. Gregg $3350
" Girl Susan [by] A.H. Bracey $3150
" Boy John [by] R.A. Kidd $3400
" Woman Charlotte & child Vina [by] A.F. King $2900
" Boy Little Sam [by] Chas E. Moss $3450
" Woman Betty & 2 children William and James by J.R. Barner $4900
" Woman Ritter & 2 children Della and Jinny by
Philip Love $3180
" Girl Phoeba [by] Jno. W. King $5250
" Boy Harry [by] Wm. P. Rawlings $2875
" " Phill [by] Zach Jones $2250
" " Nat [by] Wm P. Rawlings $2625
" Woman Chany (old) [by] Benja. Childress $1000
" Man Grief (Idiot) [by] Ed. Thomas $140
[Added total of above:] $57778.25
[Added to that amount is:] To amt. of Hires recvd. for these
negroes from 1st Jany 1865 to 1st March $188
[New total:] $57966.25
Less Costs & Expenses of Sale
By Commissions on Receipts $1168.32
By amt. pd. Mrs. L.J. Poythress for keeping woman Betty & 2
children 2 months, 1st March/65 $170
[Total of costs & expenses this sheet:] $1338.32

[2nd sheet from accounting of sale of assets]
To amt Brot. forward [total before exp:] $57966.25
By amt. Brot over [of costs & exp:] $1338.32
" amt. pd Mrs. Cleaton for keeping woman Ritter
& 4 children 2 months, 1st March/65 $210
" amt pd. Chain Carriers $45
" " " Auctioneer $750
" " " Surveys $200
" " " Printer $80
" " " Clerk $25
" " " Atty fee $500
[Total of all costs & expenses both sheets:] $3148.32
[Remaining balance:] $54817.93
[Distribution of that amount:]
1/12 part to Edward Thomas Paid $4568.16
1/12 " " A.F. King [pd] $4568.16
1/12 " " Rebecca A. Tutor [pd] $4568.16
1/12 " " Benja. Childress & wife [pd] $4568.16
1/12 " " Thos L.(sic) Poythress & wife [pd] $4568.16
1/12 " " David S. Thomas, deposited in Bank at
Clarksville $4568.16
1/12 part to W.T. Pennington Paid $4568.16
1/12 " Ann Thomas & Wm. B. Thomas infants of Bennett
Thomas Jr., deposited in Bank at Clarksville $4568.16
1/12 " Jno. Wall & Tabitha his wife deposited in Bank
at Clarksville $4568.16
1/12 " Richard Thomas, deposited in Bank at
Clarksville $4568.16
1/24 " Jno. W. King admr of P.Bracey $2284.08
1/24 " Jos. H. Jones admr of Wm. Jones $2284.08
1/12 " of the Land to Ann, Charles & Elizabeth King,
Infants of George & Emeline King, Deposited in Bank $544.42
1/12 of the negroes to Geo. King in right of his wife Emeline,
deposited in Bank Clarksville $4023.74
[Total paid out:] $54817.92
Your Commissioners would respectfully state that David S. Thomas one of
the parties interested in the above sale and distribution has died since
the sale was made, and there being no administration upon his Estate[,]
they have deposited the sum of $4568.16, the sum decreed to be paid to
him, in the Exchange Bank of Va. at Clarksville. They have also
deposited in said Bank the sum of $544.42 the amt. decreed to be paid to
the Legal Guardian of Ann, Charles & Elizabeth King, there being no
guardian of these infants. They have also deposited the sum of $4568.16
in said Bank the amt. decreed to be paid to the Legal Guardian of Ann
Thomas & Bennett Thomas, there being no legal Guardian of these infants.
They have also deposited in said Bank the sum of $4023.74 the amt.
decreed to be paid to Geo. King, his interest being claimed under a deed
of Trust by R. Jones of Brunswick Co. They have also deposited the amt.
of $9136.32 in said Bank as directed by the decree for Jno. Wall &
Tabitha his wife & Richard Thomas which action your Comrs
[Commissioners] ask your worships to confirm. The certificate of Deposit
of the cash sis[?] of the Bank is herewith filed. All of which is
respectfully submitted_
Jno. W. King [&] Wm. T. Pennington Comrs
[Back of document shows it was filed at 1865 April court, thus the death
of David S. Thomas was between the date of the sale 2 Mar 1865 and the
April court date]		06/22/2007 1:36:04
Re: [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery Case 1865-011Barbara NealCorrection to my original post on 7 Jun 2007, captioned as above:

One of the sons of Bennett Thomas, Sr. should be shown as Chas. O.
Thomas (not Chas. A. Thomas).		06/22/2007 11:41:58
[POYTHRESS] 1749 Amelia TithablesJohn M. PoythressThis week's free sample from Binns Genealogy
(http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/CDR-000303/1749/)
is the list of tithables from Amelia County for the year
1749. We already have this information in the master
database along with Amelia tithables lists for several other
years.
I am copying below the information as it is shown on our
master data base for Amelia County
and this particular year of 1749.

This weeks posting is quite long and has many, many
Poythress related names so if you are
searching related families you may wish to check the Binns
link for the following:
Gilliam, Worsham, Ric'd Randolph, Theodorick Bland, Mayo,
Parham, Bolling, Eppes,Vaughn,
and Stainback.

Maynard



10 Jun 1749
Amelia County Tithables; List of tithables taken by order of
Court. June 10th, 1749.
Sub: A list of tithables taken by Charles Irby for Nottoway
Parish June 10th, 1749:
Tithables
Heads
Peter Poythress List
Jack, Bosun, Phillis 3 5

Sub: List of tithables taken below Flatt and Nibbs Creeks by
Edwd Booker:
Hen Randolphs List [Hen Randolph m. Tabitha Poythress]
Thos Green, Robin, Ceesar, Joe,
Hampton, Bristol, Lewis, Sue 8 36

(Tithable Lists, Amelia County, Virginia, Accession No.
20919, Archival and Information Services Division, Library
of Virginia. Printed in Mag. of Virginia Genealogy, Vol.
43, # 2, May 2005)		06/24/2007 12:11:35
Re: [POYTHRESS] Halifax County Taxes 1782John M. PoythressYep, I had figured earlier that they would only leave the
post up for a short period of time, especially since they
deemed it "weekly" in the first place. I was afraid I had
missed Halifax this week but apparently I made the deadline.

Sorry,

Maynard

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Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Halifax County Taxes 1782

Thanks so much, Maynard, for the Halifax info.

Apparently I wasn't quick enough to jump on yesterday when
you alerted
us about Amelia Co, since today I get a screen saying I am
forbidden to
access it. "This week's free sample from Binns Genealogy
(http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/CDR-000303/1749/)
is the list of tithables from Amelia County for the year
1749."


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[POYTHRESS] Halifax County Taxes 1782John M. PoythressBelow is the URL for Binns' Genealogy's freebie of the week
which is Halifax County "Taxable
Property [personal property] for the year 1782. I found no
Poythresses but here is the URL
for those wishing to search Halifax County:

http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/CDR-000407/1782/


Maynard		06/25/2007 6:21:30
Re: [POYTHRESS] Halifax County Taxes 1782Barbara NealThanks so much, Maynard, for the Halifax info.

Apparently I wasn't quick enough to jump on yesterday when you alerted
us about Amelia Co, since today I get a screen saying I am forbidden to
access it. "This week's free sample from Binns Genealogy
(http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/CDR-000303/1749/)
is the list of tithables from Amelia County for the year
1749."		06/25/2007 10:18:17
[POYTHRESS] Transcription Mecklenburg 1852-013 PetitionBarbara NealThis Petition is listed in LVA's Chancery Case Index as:

Mecklenburg 1852-013
P1: PETITION OF SARAH W CROWDER &C BY ETC
D1:
Surnames CROWDER, POYTHRESS
Wills NONE
Plat? NO
Format Original

Only 2 documents and a case wrapper are in the file. The first document,
filed at the Nov 1852 Court, includes among the petitioners the eldest
son of James Edward Poythress: Joshua Poythress & his wife Elizabeth
formerly Elizabeth Crowder. This young couple had just married in
Mecklenburg Co on 17 Oct 1852 (per Family Bible type record on file at
LVA as Accession #34866), after having gotten their Marriage License on
30 Sep 1852 in Warren Co, NC.

From the way the other Crowder names are listed in this Petition, they
would likely be Elizabeth's mother and siblings.

Sterling Crowder, the deceased mentioned in the Petition, would
logically have been (though the Petition does not specifically say) the
husband of Petitioner Sarah W. Crowder and the father of Elizabeth and
the other Crowders listed. Unfortunately his year of death was not
filled in, but was just left as "18__."

I find the deceased's first name of Sterling intriguing because I've
seen a listing sent by a List member (who photocopied Marriage Bond
Index info from the NC Archives microfiche for NC Marriage Bonds on file
in Oxford, Granville Co, NC), which shows a marriage indexed for Sarah
Crowder & James R. Portis [Poythress], showing a marriage bond dated 13
Jan 1827 in Northampton Co, NC, with Bondsman Thomas R. Hutson; and
witness was Sam L. Calvert, married by John Jones, MG (Minister of the
Gospel) and listing "M. 25 Dec 1865" (sic).

Our List members have told us that this couple, James R. Portis
[Poythress] and Sarah Crowder, had children whose names included a
Sterling Poythress, as well as William Poythress, James Poythress, Lovel
Poythress, Joseph Poythress, and Richard Plunk Poythress; several of
these sons married Turner women.

This 1852-013 Petition of Sarah Crowder & others in Mecklenburg Co, VA
was later dismissed in the November Term 1872 under a 7 Years Ruling for
unresolved cases, as is noted on the case wrapper.

Transcribed 27 Jun 2007 by Barbara Poythress Neal:
Mecklenburg Chancery Case 1852-013
[Front of first document. Note: the 2nd middle initial of John W._.
Crowder could be something other than an "L"]
To the worshipful the County Court of Mecklenburg in Chancery sitting.
Your petitioners Sarah W. Crowder, Julius L. Crowder, Wiley H.
Crowder, Joshua Poythress & Elizabeth his wife, formerly Elizabeth
Crowder, Sarah Crowder, Nelson Crowder, and John W.L. Crowder the last
three of whom are infants under the age of twenty one years by Wiley H.
Crowder their next friend, respectfully shew to the Court, that Sterling
Crowder departed this life some time in the year 18__ that before his
death he sold to one Betsy Macklin, Mary Macklin, & Nancy Macklin a
small parcel of Land lying in the County of Mecklenburg containing about
fifty acres for the sum of one hundred & twenty dollars_ that the said
Sterling Crowder made no conveyance of the said Land to the said
purchasers in his life time_ that the said purchasers have paid thirty
dollars of the purchase money, and that your petitioners are informed
that they are ready and willing to pay the residue of the purchase
money, and believing that the said Land sold for its value, they are
willing and desirous that the sale shall be conformed, and that a
conveyance be made to the said purchasers or to any other person that
the said purchasers may direct when the residue of the purchase money
shall be paid_ But your petitioners are advised that this cannot be
done without the intervention of this Court where such matters are only
cognizable_ therefore they pray that this Court will appoint some
suitable person to receive the residue of the purchase money and to
convey the right & title of the said Land to the said purchasers or to
any other person or persons that the said purchasers may direct and
grant unto your petitioners such other & general relief as your worships
may deem fit &C

[Back of document. Note: again, the 2nd middle initial of John W._.
Crowder could be something other than an "L"]
Upon the petition of Sarah W. Crowder, Julius Crowder, Wiley H.
Crowder, Joshua Poythress & Elizabeth his wife formerly Elizabeth
Crowder, Sarah Crowder, Nelson Crowder, John W.L. Crowder the last three
of whom are infants under the age of twenty one years by their next
friend Wiley H. Crowder, the Court doth appoint Wiley H. Crowder a
special Commissioner for that purpose, to receive the residue of the
purchase money for a tract of Land sold by Sterling Crowder in his life
time to Betsy Macklin, Mary Macklin & Nancy Macklin; and the Court doth
further order and decree that the said Commissioner do convey with
special warranty the said Land to the said Betsy Macklin, Mary Macklin &
Nancy Macklin or to any other person or persons that they may direct_
but the said Commissioner shall not receive any money under this decree
untill he enters into bond with good security in the penalty of $180
before this Court or before the Clerk in his office for the faithful
discharge of his duty and the Court doth further order & decree that the
Commissioner shall pay the costs of this decree, and report his
proceeding to this Court_ and the Court doth further order & decree
that the said Comr after paying the costs of this decree pay over the
residue of the money to the representative of Sterling Crowder decd._

[2nd document has handwriting filling in the blanks of a bond form for
Mecklenburg Co Court]
Know all men by these presents, that we
Wiley H. Crowder, Alexander(?) Boyd & John W. King
are held and firmly bound unto the Commonwealth of Virginia in the sum
of $180 dollars to pay which, we bind ourselves, our heirs, &c. jointly
and severally firmly by these presents. Sealed with our seals, and dated
this 20 day of December 1852
The condition of the above obligation is such, that if the above bound
Wiley H. Crowder who has [marked out are the words: been appointed a
Comr] by a decree of the County Court of Mecklenburg by a petition of
Sarah W. Crowder & others, Commissioner to collect the money for a tract
of Land, sold by Sterling Crowder in his life time. [Note: other words
had earlier been written in this lower portion, but were lined out, and
are too difficult to read on this photocopy]
shall faithfully discharge the duties of said Comr according to the said
Decree, then the above obligation i[s] to be void[,] otherwise to remain
in full force and virtue.
[signed by:]
Wiley H. Crowder
A G Boyd
Jno W King
[printed at bottom of form, and not filled in, is:]
Mecklenburg County Court ___________ term, 185_
This bond was acknowledged by the obligators thereto and ordered to be
recorded.

[Wrapper of the case:]
Co C
Petition of
Crowder &C

["126" and 2 short words or numbers are scratched out before the name:]
King [and another number is scratched out after King]
Sarah W. Crowder
and others 108
Petition &C
1852 Novr Court
filed
-
1872 Nov T[erm] Dismissed
under 7 Years ruling		06/27/2007 5:09:10
[POYTHRESS] Transcription Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery Case 1810-027Barbara NealThis case is shown in the Chancery Case Index at the LVA website as:
Mecklenburg 1810-027
P1: NEWMAN DORTCH ETC
P2: - -
D1: ABEL DORTCH
D2: NOAH DORTCH ETC
Surnames DORTCH, MOSS, PULLY, RYLAND, TAYLOR
Wills NONE
Plat? NO
Format Original

It contains only *one* document, transcribed below by Barbara Poythress
Neal on 27 June 2007. The Bill of Complaint is NOT included, and indeed
the label on the back of the document shows that the lack of that Bill
of Complaint led to dismissal of this case. The one document in the case
file shows that before 15 Feb 1810 Rebecca (nee Dortch) Taylor was a
widow, since the name of her earlier husband, David Taylor, is not
included with those of her siblings and fellow plaintiffs below.
Nathaniel Moss had married their sibling Hellica Dortch, and apparently
Hellica was also dead by this date. These siblings were children of the
elder David Dortch and his wife Lucy Russell. (For clarification, the
younger David Dortch, among the siblings and plaintiffs listed here, is
the David Dortch who married Elizabeth or "Betsy" Taylor.)

The Commonwealth of Virginia to the Sheriff of Mecklenburg
County Greeting: You are command (sic) to Summon
Noah Dortch (Son of Abel) and Abel Dortch
to appear before the Justices of our said County Court at the
Courthouse on the second Monday in March next to answer
a Bill in Chancery exhibited against them by Newman Dortch, Jesse
Dortch, Young Dortch, William Dortch, Lewis Dortch, David Dortch, Noah
Dortch, Iverson(?) Ryland & Lucy his wife, Rebecca Taylor, James Pully &
Lucy (sic) his wife, David Moss and John Moss an infant who sues by
Nathaniel Moss his next friend
and have then there this writ. witness William Baskervill (sic)
Clerk of our said court the 15th day of February 1810 in the 34th year
of the Commonwealth
(signed) WBaskervill

[Back side of document:]
Spa [subpoena] in Chancery
Dortch &C
vs
Dortchs

Higginbotham
Executed on Noah Dortch the 20th of Feby 1810 &
Abel Dortch [found to be] no inhabitant
D Apperson Jr(?)
Deft(?) of James Harwell JP&C(?)
1810 June Rule to file bill
July same
August same
September Dismissed
for want of bill		06/27/2007 10:07:24
Re: [POYTHRESS] Will of Ann Isham Gordon, 1790Barbara NealThanks so much, Maynard, for the full transcription of this will. Its
additional tidbits are much appreciated.



06/28/2007 3:27:38
[POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Co, VA 1787-008Barbara NealIn the LVA Chancery Case Index, this case is shown as:

MECKLENBURG CO 1787-008
P1: JOSHUA MORGAN ETC
D1: MARY CLAY ETC
Surnames CLAY, CLEATON, MORGAN, PERDUE
Wills NONE
Plat? NO
Format Original

The case contains only one document, transcribed below. Poythress
Cleaton was one of the "Etc" plaintiffs listed. The docketing label on
the back side of the document does not specify which of the four
plaintiffs dismissed the matter in May 1787. We have previously seen
Poythress Cleaton's name listed on the 1782 Mecklenburg Co Personal
Property Tax List taken by William Starling, Gentleman; his name did
not appear on Starling's 1784 PP Tax List.

Transcribed by Barbara Poythress Neal on 28 Jun 2007. :
MECKLENBURG CO 1787-008
[Front of document. Note: document is entirely handwritten on a small
piece of paper]
The Commonwealth of Virginia To the sherif (sic) of Mecklenburg County
Greeting; We command you that you summon Mary Clay, [Ish]am Clay and
Sally Clay to appear before the Justices of our said county court in
Chancery at the Courthouse on the second Monday in next month to answer
a bill in Chancery exhibited against them by Joshua Morgan, John Moore
Clay, Isaiah Perdue and Poythress Cleaton and this they shall in no wise
omit under the penalty of One hundred pounds each and have then there
this Writ Witness John Brown Clerk of our said Court the 13th day of
May 1783 in the seventh year of the Commonwealth
[signed] W Baskervill DCl

[Back of document]
Spa [subpoena] in Chy [Chancery]
Morgan &C
v.
Clay &C
Executed May
the 23d 1783
on Mary Clay
and Salley Clay[.]
Isham Clay [found to be]
No Inhabiter of
the County[.]
James Vaughan
DS [Deputy Sheriff]
-
July 1783 - Cont. for bill
May 1787 - Dismd [Dismissed] by
Plt [Plaintiff]

[at bottom:]
Mary Clay		06/28/2007 7:36:21
[POYTHRESS] Will of Ann Isham Gordon, 1790John M. PoythressWe have previously had this will in a very abbreviated
abstract. The full version is pasted below
if you wish to make it a part of your data base. While
there is some superfluous information in
this full version,there are also some important family
connections which were not spelled out in
the abstract.

Maynard

16 Jan 1790
Will of Ann Isham Gordon.

In the name of God amen. I Ann Isham Gordon of the County
of Prince George, being weak in body, but of sound, perfect
mind & memory, do this 16th day of January in the year of
our Lord one thousand, Seven Hundred and Ninety make and
publish my last will and testament in manner following, viz:

First, it is my Will that all my just Debts be duly and
truly paid, and that my Executors pay no Legacies, nor
suffer any division of my Estate to be made among my
Legatees until all my said Debts be fully discharged.

Unto Elizabeth McNeil (who has lived with me upwards of
forty years, and has been a faithful servant and friend to
me during all that time) I give and bequeath to Use of the
following slaves during her natural life viz: my negro woman
Mollie and all her children, and also Answick, her mother;
also one Feather Bed & furniture, the Bay Colt which is
called hers and one Cow and Calf.

Unto William Yates, eldest son of the late Colo William
Yates, I give and bequeath my Negro Girl named Annake.

Unto Benjamin Poythress Yates, second son of the said Colo
Wm. Yates, I give and bequeath my Boy Peter, Sally's
brother.

Unto my niece Mary Muir, I give and bequeath my negro woman
Sally, and I give Sally's child to the youngest daughter of
my said Neice.

Unto William Poythress Muir, eldest son of my said Neice, I
give my negro boy named Davy.

Unto Margaret A. Muir, her Daughter, I give my Negro Girl
Betsy,
Sally's sister.

Unto William Ramsey, son of Mr William Wilson, I give my
Negro Girl named Nancy.

Unto Lucy Gordon, Daughter of John Gordon decd , I give and
bequeath my Negro Girl Lucy, Hannah's daughter-also one
large Silver soup spoon, six Silver Table Spoons, four
Silver salts, and my watch with everything belonging to it.

Unto my friend Thomas Gordon I give and bequeath my Negro
Boy Joe, Dina's son.

And out of the remainder of my Slaves I will and desire that
my sister Elizabeth Ramsey make choice of two of my small
young Negroes for the children of my Niece Elizabeth Potts
to whom I give them each one, and that my said Sister, out
of the residue of any slaves, also make choice of one for
each of her sons, and I give to each of her said sons the
slaves so chosen by her, and also one for my niece Elizabeth
Potts to be chosen in like manner which I give to her.

It is my will that the several Legatees above named (except
Elizabeth McNeil) have absolute right in the Legacies
bequeathed to them respectively, and the Legacies which I
have given Elizabeth McNeil for life.

I give and bequeath to my sister [Elizabeth] Ramsey after
the death of said Elizabeth, and provided also that if Lucy
Gordon shall depart this life before she marries or arrives
at the age of Twenty one, then I give the Legacies
bequeathed to her unto my sister [Elizabeth] Ramsey and her
heirs forever.

Unto my friends Thomas G. Peachey and Elizabeth Peachey I
give and bequeath the sum of Twenty five pounds Current
money each, which I entreat them to accept as a token of my
affection and esteem.

All the rest and residue of my Estate, be it of what nature
or kind soever, I give, devise, and bequeath unto my Dear
Sister Elizabeth Ramsay and her heirs forever.

Lastly, I do constitute and appoint my friends Thomas G.
Peachy and Thomas Gordon Executors of this my Will; in
Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hands and Seal the
day and year within written.

Signed,

Ann Isham Gordon (seal)

Signed, Sealed, published and declared by the said A. I. G.
to be her last Will and Testament in the presence of us:
Eleanor Craine, Elizabeth Mills Fram, Susannah Cocke (her
mark).


(PG DB 1787-1792, p. 359; source William & Mary Quarterly
Vol. 14, No. 3, p. 211-213)		06/28/2007 10:03:35
[POYTHRESS] InterestingBarbara NealTo see how many people in the USA have your same first & last name, you
can go to this web site & type in your first & last name:

http://www.howmanyofme.com/

(There are almost 3x as many named Barbara Poythress as Diane Poythress.)		07/02/2007 4:04:11
[POYTHRESS] Sad news re FlowerdewJohn M. PoythressAs a contributor to the Flowerdew Foundation, I received a
letter today notifying me that Flowerdew would close as of
December 31 with closure for visits as of October 12.
Requests for visits prior to the October 12 closing will be
honored.

The museum and the grounds will be permanently closed after
October 12 as "the collection of over 400,000 artifacts must
be boxed and delivered by December 31, 2007."

I phoned with thanks for the great job they have done for
over 35 years and of course a couple of questions:

First, why are you closing. The lady I talked to said money
was not the problem leaving me to
suspect that the property owner just wanted his property
back. That often happens in deals like this where the
"foundation" only has custodianship of the property.

Second, if the 400,000 artifacts must be "delivered by
December 31" then where are they going to be delivered "to?"
The answer is that they aren't sure yet as they are
negotiating with several institutions to take the material.
Let's hope that it will be someone who will likewise make
them available to the public and not just some institution
that will keep them "in storage."

I inquired as to what their remaining supply of note cards
was. As I suspected, they are out
of the Windmill ones and only have left the pipe-tamper and
the pipes. If you would like to order any of the last two
you can probably phone Frances at 804-541-8897. As the only
note cards I wanted were the windmill ones I took a pass on
the deal.

I poked about on the numerous web pages for Flowerdew and
saw no announcement or news. Maybe those of you in
Virginia who see news in the paper or wherever would be kind
enough to post it for the rest of us. Thanks.

Maynard		07/02/2007 9:45:50
Re: [POYTHRESS] Sad news re FlowerdewBarbara NealThanks, Maynard; I too had gotten the letter & I had asked the same
questions you asked (& a couple more questions) by email. Since I had
not gotten an email response, I called just now. The lady I sent it to,
is on vacation for 2 wks.

So I talked with Frances and asked about what will happen to all the
info collected thru the years on Poythress & other families that have
been associated with the property thru the centuries. She said she is
pushing the Board to place the family info with an appropriate society
(such as Prince George, or Charles City, or the VA Historical Society).
She plans to be sure that the location of that family info will be
indicated on the Flowerdew.org website.

She was hopeful that soon they'll know which place will be the future
home of the artifacts, and when that's finalized, that info will be on
the website, too.

I asked, too, about how the foundation's (financial) assets are to be
closed out, which is something that any tax-deductible-foundation must
have in their documentation. She said there won't be any assets, so I
presume from that statement that the packing up & moving of stuff would
absorb any cash remaining. She also clarified that the Flowerdew
foundation was originally set up as a subsidiary of the Harrison Family
foundation, which I had not realized previously.

The Harrison family (owners of the property) have not enlightened the
Flowerdew folks about what plans, if any, they have for the property.

I note that land along the James is ripe for development. One other
nearby large plantation last year sold for $25 million, and is being
developed. That $ level would be hard to resist & could make it
difficult for any family to rationalize holding onto.

I guess if that should happen to this property, it would open the
possibility for many families' descendants to own a small portion of
their ancestors' land, and could put many more new residents "in touch
with history."

Barbara		07/03/2007 3:04:52
[POYTHRESS] VA Burned County info at LVABarbara NealFor those who aren't already aware of it, the Library of Virginia has
been building a database of info on the counties that had such extensive
record loss, as they come across *copies* of documents from those
counties within the records of other counties.

See below quote from an archivist, as he explained it to me in a message
yesterday. At the webpage link he gives, scroll down the page until you
see the 2 databases he mentions. There are other helpful databases
listed on the same webpage:

"...the resource to which you refer is our so-called 'Burned
County' records. Two databases, Burned Jurisdiction Database and Burned
Record Counties Database, can be found on the County and City Records
web page at
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/local/index.htm.

"These are searchable by name, locality, and record type. These
databases are constantly being added to as documents for counties with
damaged records turns up during the processing of other localities. I
encourage you to check back often."		07/03/2007 4:32:57
Re: [POYTHRESS] FW: VA-SOUTHSIDE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 61Barbara NealThanks, Maynard. On the Mecklenburg 1782 Personal Property Tax lists, Wm
Starling's List begins on Binns Genealogy image #14. On the next image,
#15, we find Poythress Cleaton. In the list, Starling & the other
list-makers put last name first, so you find him in the C section as:
Cleaton Poythress		07/07/2007 5:30:26
[POYTHRESS] FW: VA-SOUTHSIDE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 61John M. PoythressI didn't expect to find any Poythresses in Charlotte County
despite the proximity. However, I didn't find any in
Mecklenburg either. Still, the Meck. Microfilm is lousy in
places and I'm half blind. If anyone finds any would you
please send it (them) to me to add to master database.

Thanks,

Maynard


Subject: VA-SOUTHSIDE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 61

Today's Topics:

1. Charlotte Co. and Mecklenburg Co., Va., 1782 (Yvonne
and Steve)


Message: 1
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:40:49 -0400
From: "Yvonne and Steve"
Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE] Charlotte Co. and Mecklenburg Co.,
Va., 1782
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Hi All,

In celebration of the 4th of July we have posted 2 free
samples (couldn't
think of any other excuse).

The first free sample is the 1782 Charlotte Personal
Property Tax List.
These are the same images that will be included on our
CDR-000414, the
Charlotte 1782-1813 Personal Property Tax Lists. You can
access these free
samples at:

http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/CDR-000414/1782/

There are 11 images. All the images total about 9 mbs.

The second free sample is the 1782 Mecklenburg Personal
Property Tax List.
These are the same images that will be included on our
CDR-000419, the
Mecklenburg 1782-1798 Personal Property Tax Lists. You can
access these free
samples at:

http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/CDR-000419/1782/

There are 21 images. All the images total about 11 mbs.

Some of these scanned images can be difficult to read. We
are limited by the
quality of the microfilm images themselves. Have fun.

Steve and Bunny
Binns Genealogy CD Series
http://www.BinnsGenealogy.com/



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[POYTHRESS] Rebecca (Dortch) Taylor's estate 1823-1825 documentsBarbara NealFinally found the Inventory & Appraisement for the estate of Mrs.
Rebecca Taylor that I failed to find in February. That Inventory was
referred to later in the Accounting for her estate that I posted then.

I hope to soon check the Mecklenburg VA Order Book covering the period
of March 1825, to see if any further enlightenment can be gleaned there
regarding the 1825 March 1st, 2nd, & 3rd entries on the Accounting,
where the names of Lewis Poytress, Alicia Thomas, and James E. Poytress
appear.

Both documents below are in Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 10. I had
missed the Inventory & Appraisement my first time thru because of the
horrible lighting of the pages when they were filmed. These were read
from microfilm #32,521 of the Family History Library. When it was
originally filmed, there was very poor lighting that overexposed the
center portions of the pages, and underexposed the upper and lower
portions of most of the same pages.

The second document I'm including (again; for clarity) at the bottom
here, is the Accounting from p.305. Since I originally transcribed it
for the List in February, I've now been able to better read & understand
parts of it, thanks to some info from the book about Mecklenburg County,
"Life By the Roaring Roanoke" by Susan L Bracey. I've included that
helpful info in brackets in the Accounting, which is at the bottom here.

Mrs. Rebecca Taylor was one of the 12 children of David Dortch the
elder. We know this from her Chancery case Mecklenburg Co 1824-084,
which case was initiated in 1822 and was continued beyond her death by
her Administrator whose name is carried in that case as Edmund Taylor.
His name as her Administrator is used at the time depositions were taken
on 1 Oct 1824 "at the Store House of Charles Baskervill & Brothers" from
Williamson Rainey Senr; Buckner Rainey; John Taylor; Thomas G. Taylor;
Henry Walker; and James Harwell. These depositions were taken by JPs
(Justices of the Peace) E.H. Pute(?) and Thomas Taylor. No relationship
is stated for any of those deposed to anyone else.

That Chancery case includes a full copy of her father's will. She had
married David Taylor 9 May 1778 in Mecklenburg Co, VA. her husband died
after making purchases at her father's estate's sale, and gave his bond
rather than paying at that time. Her husband David Taylor died without
ever paying her father's Executor, who was her brother David Dortch the
younger. After her brother had died, her suit was initiated for the 1/12
portion of what she had been due to get from her father's estate, after
the death of his widow Lucy.

From a notation in her Chancery suit we learned she was the
mother-in-law of Lewis Poythress. On the back of a document, it is noted:
"Rebecca Dortch the Legatee married David Taylor; he died & she has
never received her legacy of £50. David Taylor at testators Sale
purchased property and executed his bond which is now in the Executors
hands, & never taken in._ Lewis Poythress married Mrs. Taylors daughter._"

We know that daughter was Rebecca B. Taylor who had married Lewis
Poythress on 9 Apr 1802 in Mecklenburg Co.

We are assured that these all pertain to the same woman, Rebecca (nee
Dortch) Taylor, from
(1) the timing in this Chancery case and the timing of the below two
documents from Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 10; and
(2) the name of her Administrator Edmund Taylor appearing in all of these.

In these documents her Administrator's name is spelled both as Edmund
and as Edmond Taylor. No relationship to her is given.

Note that the three men doing the Inventory & Appraisement included
Henry Walker He was deposed on 1 Oct 1824 in the above-mentioned
Chancery case, and at that time he said that Mrs. Rebecca Taylor had
lived on his land for about 6 years before her death. I'd be curious to
learn whether Lewis Poythress' last wife was widow of, or otherwise kin
to, this Henry Walker. You may recall he married Martha E Walker in July
1846, after the death of Rebecca B. (nee Taylor). We know he had still
been married to Rebecca when Lewis drew up his deed for his 140 acres on
14 Sep 1845 to his two youngest sons, Thomas & Lewis Y, for one dollar
upon the condition that said sons "do bond themselves to keep me... and
my wife Rebecca Poythress free from want the remainder of our lives..."

= = =
Transcribed by Barbara Poythress Neal on 7 July 2007, from Mecklenburg
Co, VA Will Book 10, pp.8-9, with bracketed comments; in the original
the amounts are listed down the right side in a neat column, though they
will not fall that way here. On p.8 the top line begins "To" and each
line below that has a ditto mark under the "To":

A list of Inventory & Appraisement of Mrs. Rebecca Taylors Estate due:
1 Feather bed and furniture $15.
1 feather bed and furniture 15.
1 feather bed and furniture 10.
1 loom 3.
1 Parcel of barrels 1.
1 slay [sic; sleigh] and Harness .50
1 Parcel of Veals .75
1 Woman Saddle 2.
1 Parcel of Salt .50
4 sack bags 1.25
1 Parcel of bacon at 10 cents per lb. __
1 Parcel of Soap 10 cents per lb. __
7 Chairs 2.
1 Table .50
5 Water Vessels .35 [or .30? amt written over]
1 Chest 1.
1 Parcel of earthenware 1.
1 Parcel of tin & pewter 2.
1 Parcel of Glass .125 [half cent shown as fraction]
1 looking Glass .125 [shown as fraction]
1 Box of knives 1.
1 Hand Lass[?] & drawing 2.
1 Parcel of Plantation Tools 3.
1 Parcel of Kitchen furniture 3.
1 Parcel of Side[?] .25
1 Wheel & Cards 1.00
1 Parcel of hand[?] &class[?] .50
1 Parcel of Corn at $5 per barrel __
1 Parcel of blade fodder $1 per Hundred __
1 Parcel of sack[?] Cotton at 3 Cents for lb. __
1 Sorrel Horse 60.
1 Bay Horse 13.
2 Plows & Gun 1.
1 Red Cow & Calf 10.
1 R?? Cow & Calf 10.
1 young[?] Cow 7.
1 [illegible] Cow 7.
3 Hiefers[?] 8.
- [top of p.9:]
To 2 [Boden?] $5.00
To 22 head Hogs $22.00
[Amts total to:] $272.78 (attested by) Edmund his + mark Taylor, admr.
The above is an Inventory & appraisement of the Estate of Rebecca
Taylor made the 16th day of May 1823. (signed by:)
Henry Walker
Thomas W Walker
Wm Bennett
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 18th day of March 1824
This Inventory and appraisement was returned to Court and Ordered to be
recorded. Teste Edw L Tabb Cl (Clerk)

= = =
Transcribed by Barbara Poythress Neal on 7 July 2007, from Mecklenburg
Co, VA Will Book 10, p.305, with bracketed comments; in the original the
amounts are listed down the right side in neat columns, though they will
not fall that way here.

In the first portion (through the line showing amt now due by Edmond
Taylor) the word "To" is shown on the top line and then dittoed on the
other lines. In that first portion, I'm retyping the full line for
clarity here (including the dittoed years) since ditto marks will not
line up correctly in an email thru RootsWeb.

At the bottom line of the first portion, the "180.36" on Edmond Taylor's
line is shown precisely in the column of the amounts above that line,
and the number further to the right "399.07" is a total of his 180.36
plus the amounts above it.

In the shorter lower portion for Credits the "28.00" is shown precisely
in the column under the 371.07 Sales, with their total, the balancing
"399.07" shown further to the right, under the same amount from the top
portion.

The Estate of Rebecca Taylor, In act. with Edmond Taylor, admr
1824 14th May To amt bond & Int. due one individually 103.66

1825 3d Mar To Lewis Poytress for Judgment 5.95
1825 1st Mar To amt paid Alicia Thomas for attendance as witness 4.77
1825 1st Mar To amt paid Alicia Thomas for attendance as witness .53
1825 2nd Mar To James E Poytress for attendance as witness 4.73

1823 28 Nov paid Charles Baskervill & Brothers per acct 68.77
[Note: per the book, "Life By the Roaring Roanoke" by Susan L Bracey,
Charles Baskervill & Brothers was a considerable mercantile store, and a
post office from 1803-1889, and an ordinary for a number of years,
located "on the Lombardy Grove plantation" and per the gazetteer Bracey
quoted, was situated immediately on the stage road, which at that point
was what has more currently been "Rt. 630" leading from Emporia, VA to
Milton, NC, "in a fertile and populous neighborhood." The store was
originally the store of William and Charles Baskervill; after the death
of William, the company became known as Charles Baskervill and Brothers,
for brothers George D & William R]
1823 17 May paid Wm G(?) Taylor to pay Isham Cleaton per acct 1.75
1823 17 May paid Thomas Suggett for crying property at sale 5.00
1823 Augt Cash paid two Lawyers Fees to Lockett(?) 5.00
Commissions allowed on $371.37 basis[?]
amt sales of the Estate at 5% Cch[?] 18.55
amt now due by Edmond Taylor 180.36 399.07

Cr (credits:)
1823 May 16th By acct Sales made this day 371.07
1823 May 17 cash received for Tobacco 28.00 399.07

Lombardy Grove March 3rd 1825
We the commissioners appointed by the deceased Orator have proceeded to
examine State & settle the act. of Edmond Taylor & Inventory of Rebecca
Taylor and find after making an allowance of five perCent on the amt.
sales of Three Hundred Seventy one dollars and seven cents, a balance
due the Estate from the above Edmond Taylor of One Hundred eighty
Dollars and thirty six cents.
(signed) William R Baskervill
Jas. Taylor
Geo. D. Baskervill

At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 16th day of May 1825
This account current of Edmund Taylor administrator of Rebecca Taylor
Dec'd was returned to Court by Commissioners appointed to settle the
same._ And at a Court held for our said County on the 18th day of July
1825 The same having been returned two months and no exceptions taken
thereto, was confirmed, and ordered to be recorded.
Teste Edw L Tabb, cl (clerk)		07/07/2007 9:37:57
Re: [POYTHRESS] FW: VA-SOUTHSIDE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 61John M. PoythressThanks, eagle-eye. Showed me TWO things....Cleaton is often
spelled Clayton (but we knew that). Second, that there
really was a Poythress Cleaton, implying (to me at any rate)
that there were likely generations ahead of him from where
he got the given name....a matter I had hitherto viewed with
just a tad of suspicion.

MP

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Thanks, Maynard. On the Mecklenburg 1782 Personal Property
Tax lists, Wm
Starling's List begins on Binns Genealogy image #14. On the
next image,
#15, we find Poythress Cleaton. In the list, Starling & the
other
list-makers put last name first, so you find him in the C
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[POYTHRESS] Flowerdew Hundred article re closingBarbara NealWith much thanks to our Poythress cousins Neil & Pat in the Richmond
area, we can read the story (and a side story recapping its history) at
this newspaper's website today, 11 July 2007. Neil took our question
about Flowerdew Hundred's closing to the Richmond Times-Dispatch, and
asked folks at the paper, but they had not heard of the closing. His
question yesterday of this article's writer, Joe Macenka, apparently
prompted Macenka to check it out. Thanks so much, Neil & Pat!
Barbara

http://www.timesdispatch.com		07/11/2007 3:56:53
Re: [POYTHRESS] Flowerdew Hundred article re closingBarbara NealMe, too, Judy. It's a neat place. If any of y'all who haven't yet
visited can do so before the Oct 12th closing, I'd encourage you to do so.
Barbara		07/11/2007 4:51:04
Re: [POYTHRESS] Flowerdew Hundred article re closingThanks Barbara,
I am glad I got to visit there & get the great pictures I have before the closing.
Judy
>
> From: Barbara Neal
> Date: 2007/07/11 Wed AM 10:56:53 EST
> To: Poythress List
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Flowerdew Hundred article re closing
>
> With much thanks to our Poythress cousins Neil & Pat in the Richmond
> area, we can read the story (and a side story recapping its history) at
> this newspaper's website today, 11 July 2007. Neil took our question
> about Flowerdew Hundred's closing to the Richmond Times-Dispatch, and
> asked folks at the paper, but they had not heard of the closing. His
> question yesterday of this article's writer, Joe Macenka, apparently
> prompted Macenka to check it out. Thanks so much, Neil & Pat!
> Barbara
>
> http://www.timesdispatch.com
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Katherine PoythressBarbara NealHi Bud - You've found my niece, who is a very bright & lovely talented
young lady. Thanks for the sighting -
Barbara





07/13/2007 9:17:29
[POYTHRESS] Katherine PoythressHi Barbara,

I just noted in the "Watchdog" paper, a publication published by the "Media
Research Center", an item reporting:

"CNSNews.com Welcomes New Class of Interns" (Summer interns, that
is),
and a young lady named "Katherine Poythress" was one that was
listed.

It reports "she is from Alabama, currently majoring in English at Michigan's
Hilldale College".

Any of you "ex" or "present" ALABAMA ladies have a connection, or know of
one, or happen to know the Ms Karherine herself?

Thought you might be interested.

By the way, my grandson, Alex Jones, and I have attended the last two (2006
& 2007) "Annual Celebration of the Media Research Center in Washington, DC
each March. (note: - Had a great time, but expensive)

Cheers,

Bud Poythress
Wilmington, NC



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[POYTHRESS] Halifax County 1810 TaxesJohn M. PoythressGood news is that these are highly legible; bad news is there are
no Poythresses.....or at least none that I saw.

Maynard

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Today's Topics:

1. Halifax Co., Va., 1810 (Yvonne and Steve)


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Hi All,

We do a lot of work using old tax lists to reconstruct the missing 1790 and
1800 Virginia Censuses. But did you realize there are 16 MISSING counties in
the 1810 Census (according to the LVA)? Halifax is one of those missing
counties.

The first free sample is the 1810 Halifax Personal Property Tax List A. The
second free sample is the 1810 Halifax Personal Property Tax List B. These
are a nice substitute for the missing census. These are the same images that
are included on our CDR-000422, the Halifax 1798-1812 Personal Property Tax
Lists. You can access these free samples at:

http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/CDR-000422/1810A/
http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/CDR-000422/1810B/

There are 70 images. All the images total about 26 mbs. Have fun.

Steve and Bunny
Binns Genealogy CD Series
http://www.BinnsGenealogy.com/



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[POYTHRESS] Transcription & note - Wm Poole's 1772 Will, Mecklenburg Co, VABarbara NealSee notation beneath this transcription.

Transcribed by Barbara Poythress Neal on 19 July 2007 from Mecklenburg
Co, VA Will Book 1, pp.241-242:
In the name of God Amen I William Poole of the County of Mecklenburg
and Parish of Saint James being in good health and perfect disposing
mind & memory Thanks be to Almighty God for the same and calling to mind
the uncertainty of this transitory life that all must yield unto death
when it shall please God to call them do make and ordain this my last
will & testament Imprimis my Soul I resign to God that gave it hoping
for pardon & remission of all my sins through the merits & mediation of
Jesus Christ my Savior Item I commit my body to the earth from whence
it was taken to be buried by my executors hereafter named and as for the
disposition of my temporal estate I give devise & dispose in manner
following Item I will that all my Debts and funeral expenses be
lawfully paid & discharged within a convenient time after my decease
Then I give to my beloved wife Elizabeth Poole the use of two negroes,
the use of my Cattle Hogs & horse & household goods as beds pots pans
pewter Chairs Chests tables & all other belonging to the house likewise
the plantation & all the utensils belonging thereto during her life or
my widow Then after our decease I give the Land & plantation to my Son
Walter Poole his heirs and assigns for ever and likewise if Hannah my
negro brings a Child I give it to my Son Walter Poole and then after our
deaths an equal share to sons & daughters, that is to my [son] William
Poole my Son[s] Adam Poole & Walter Poole my daughters Mary Mabry,
Eliz. Watson [&] Jane Cleaton my son Walter equal share beside what is
given him above & I do hereby nominate and appoint my Son Wm Poole & my
wife Eliz. Poole Executor & Executrix of this my last Will & Testament
making all other Wills and Testaments to be void and of none effect by
me heretofore made: Anno Domini 1772 [sic; no month or day stated] As
Witness my hand & seal William Poole (LS) [legal signature]
Test: [witnesses:]
William Cleaton Robt his X mark Witmore
John Watson Edy her X mark Witmore
Walter Poole Wilmuth her X mark Whitt
Burwell his + mark Watson
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County November 10th 1777 This Will
was proved by the Oaths of Robert Witmore & Wilmuth Whit Witnesses
thereto & ordered to be recorded And on the motion of William Poole one
of the exors therein named who made Oath thereto & together with John
Speed Gent his Security entered into & acknowledged their bond in the
penalty of £200 conditioned as the Law directs Certificate was granted
him for obtaining a probat [sic] thereof in due form: Liberty being
reserved for the other Exor therein named to join in the probat [sic]
when she shall think fit. Teste John Brown Cl Cur
Exam'd
= = =
Note to Maynard & all: Maynard's compilation of descriptions/abstracts
of Mecklenburg Co, VA documents furnished earlier to interested folks on
a CD, includes a "Will Book 1, p.241" entry marked 11 Oct 1777. That
date is erroneous; in going through Will Book 1, I found page 241 & 242
include items recorded on 8 Sep 1777 (the item preceding the above
will), immediately followed by the above will, with its recording date
of 10 Nov 1777. Also, the description/abstract of Maynard's CD's 11 Oct
1777 entry is somewhat confusing and thus misleading; it could lead some
to think it actually was an abstract of a will of Jane (nee Poole)
Cleaton. The confusing description said: "d. Jane Poole Cleaton, will
proved 11 Oct 1777. m. William C. Cleaton II. Mother of Edith Cleaton
m. Meredith Poythress 1781. She was daughter of William Poole and
Elizabeth Tapley. Meck WB 1, p. 241."
We do learn from the above will of William Poole that his daughter
Jane was married to a Cleaton, and he does use William Cleaton as one of
his witnesses. We learn from William Cleaton's own will (which I posted
separately here today) that one of his daughters is Edith Poythress --
thus she is the Edith Cleaton who married Meredith Poythress in July
1781 in Mecklenburg Co, VA, with William Cleaton as bondsman.
As we see above, however, nowhere in William Poole's will does it
refer to his wife Elizabeth's maiden name. And nowhere in William
Poole's above will does the name "William C Cleaton II" appear for
Jane's husband; he identifies himself only as "William Cleaton" both
when he signed as a witness to William Poole's above will, and in his
own will (see my posting of it today). From what I've been able to find
both the maiden name "Tapley" for Elizabeth Poole, and the name with
middle initial as "William C Cleaton II" were taken from a submission to
Family Tree Maker that Maynard had seen and had originally posted to our
Poythress List on 13 May 1997. I feel unless/until we get something
better to show that Elizabeth's maiden name was Tapley, or that William
Cleaton's full name was William C Cleaton II, we are safer to disregard
that information.		07/19/2007 2:02:37
[POYTHRESS] Transcription & notes - Wm Cleaton's 1791 Will, Mecklenburg Co, VABarbara NealMy transcription is followed by several notes at the bottom of this
message.

Transcribed 19 Jul 2007 by Barbara Poythress Neal:
Will of William Cleaton from Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 3, pp.339-340:

In the Name of God Amen I William Cleaton of Mecklenburg County
being very sick and weak but of perfect mind and memory thanks be to God
for the same doth make and ordain this my last will and Testament in
manner and form as followeth: first I give my soul unto God who gave
the same unto me and my body to be buried according to the discretion of
my Executors hereafter named and as to touching such worldly goods as it
hath been please [sic] God to bless me with, I give devise and dispense
in manner and form as followeth. Item I give and bequeath to my
Daughter Mary Cleaton one feather bed and furniture which hath been
called hers also one cow and yearling which she is to take her choice of
Cow and yearling, to her and her heirs forever. Item I give and
bequeath to my Grandson Woodly Cleaton one feather bed and the furniture
belonging to it, to him and his heirs forever. Item my will and desire
is that after the above things are taken out of my estate that all my
Just debts should be paid and after their being paid I desire the
balance should be Equally divided between all my children, my son John
Cleaton and my son Thomas Cleaton and my daughter Mary Cleaton and my
Daughter Martha Cleaton and my daughter Jeane Giles and my daughter
Edith Poythress and Daughter Lucy Matthews and my daughter Judith
Wilkinson and my [sic; the word "daughter" was left out] Nancy Pointer
to them and their heirs forever and lastly I appoint my son Thomas
Cleaton and James Standley Senr Executors of this my last will and
testament. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this
twelfth day of November one thousand seven hundred and ninety one.
William his WC mark Cleaton (Seal)
[Witnesses:]
James Standley Senr
William his X mark Taylor
James Standley Junr
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 11th day of April 1796:
This Will was proved by the oaths of James Standley and William
Taylor, Witnesses thereto and ordered to be recorded and at a Court held
for the same county the 9th day of May in the year aforesaid on the
motion of Thomas Cleaton one of the Executors therein named who made
oath thereto and together with William Starling his security entered
into [&] acknowledged their bond in the penalty of five hundred pounds
conditioned as the law directs. Certificate was granted him for
obtaining a probat [sic] thereof in due form Liberty being reserved for
the Other Executor therein named to Join in the probat [sic] when he
shall think fit. Teste William Baskervill, Ct Cl

Bpn notes:
(1) William Starling who entered with Executor Thomas Cleaton as
security for the assets of William Cleaton's estate, was the tax
collector for the Lower District of Mecklenburg Co, VA.

(2) My estimate is that William's grandson "Woodly" Cleaton (or
"Woodley" Cleaton as his name is spelled when he married Sarah Harris in
Mecklenburg on marriage bond dated 2 Jan 1805) was the son of a deceased
son of William's. I propose Poythress Cleaton was that deceased son of
William Cleaton, and was the father of Woodley Cleaton.

In the 1782 Mecklenburg Personal Property Tax records, on William
Starling's List are households for:
- Cleaton Thomas
- Cleaton J[no?] & after names of slaves, his 2nd free male in the
household is listed as James Cleaton
- Cleaton William
- Clayton Poythress

We know Poythress Cleaton (with his last name spelled "Cleaton") had
died before the Inventory and appraisal of his estate were taken on 25
Sep 1783. They were recorded 9 Aug 1784 in Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book
2, p.70.

We further know Poythress Cleaton left a widow when he died, and that
she remarried quickly after his death. We know this from Maynard's
compilation of Mecklenburg Co, VA records, even though I have not
located marriage records for either her marriage to Poythress Cleaton or
to her next husband. Maynard gave us the following, from 3 Sep 1783,
noting it is from Mecklenburg Co, VA Order Bk 5, p.421:
It appearing to the Court by a note proved by the Oath of Lewis
Williams that Delphy Whitlow widow of Poythress Cleaton deced has
relinquished her right of administration to Stephen Mabry. On the motion
of the said Stephen certificate is granted him for obtaining letters of
administration on the estate of Poythress Cleaton deced he having made
Oath and together with Lewis Williams his security entered into and
acknowledged their Bond in the penalty of five hundred pounds
conditioned as the law directs.

(3) For now, even though I have not found a marriage record for her
either, I am assuming that William Cleaton's daughter Nancy Pointer was
married to Alexander Pointer, who was a witness to the 1 March 1786 sale
of Meredith Poythress' household goods to William Cleaton, recorded in
Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 7, p.52.		07/19/2007 10:38:57
[POYTHRESS] PettyPoolBarbara NealSomeone (on or off list?) within the last year communicated with me
about the Pettypool or P'pool name, and asked me to keep my eye out for
it. Sorry I can't recall further, even enough to know whether the below
will be helpful or redundant to that person, who hopefully will see this.

Today I ran across the following, when consulting John W Pritchett's
Southside Virginia Genealogies CD at the library, in his topic on "Mr.
Stone" on p.1146:

William Petty Pool sued both William Stone and John Stone [who died in
1782] in 1742, and again sued John in 1747 and 1748. Evidently Pool's
complaint against John was for a debt smaller than £5 or 1,000 pounds of
tobacco, because John's attorney Robert Jones Jr. argued that such small
claims could not be recovered in court.
Pritchett's endnotes indicate this info is from
Lunenburg Order Books 1 (pp.234; 250; 360; 435) & 2 (p.45)		07/20/2007 6:38:39
Re: [POYTHRESS] PettyPoolBarbara NealThanks, Lou, for the info. It seems like it was much more recent than
that, but life does have a way of whizzing by



07/20/2007 9:35:58
Re: [POYTHRESS] PettyPoolJLPBarbara, it was probably me you were thinking of and in connection
with a list discussion we had a couple or three years ago where we
were discussing Peter Poythress's activities with Indian trading.
William Pettypool, who was probably the father of the one you've
found, was a known and registered Indian trader in SC in 1713 - as
were a number of his neighbors in Bristol Parish. The
Pettypool/Pettipool/P'Pool tribe was a big one and you will find them
in many of the Brunswick, Lunenburg, Mecklenburg, Halifax county
records, and across the line in Granville, Person and Caswell
counties.

Lou Poole

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Someone (on or off list?) within the last year communicated with me
about the Pettypool or P'pool name, and asked me to keep my eye out
for
it. Sorry I can't recall further, even enough to know whether the
below
will be helpful or redundant to that person, who hopefully will see
this.

Today I ran across the following, when consulting John W Pritchett's
Southside Virginia Genealogies CD at the library, in his topic on "Mr.

Stone" on p.1146:

William Petty Pool sued both William Stone and John Stone [who died in

1782] in 1742, and again sued John in 1747 and 1748. Evidently Pool's
complaint against John was for a debt smaller than £5 or 1,000 pounds
of
tobacco, because John's attorney Robert Jones Jr. argued that such
small
claims could not be recovered in court.
Pritchett's endnotes indicate this info is from
Lunenburg Order Books 1 (pp.234; 250; 360; 435) & 2 (p.45)


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[POYTHRESS] A peach!John M. PoythressSubject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE] How to use Google to create powerful genealogy searches



Rootsweb just added a new GOOGLE listserv for discussion of search techniques using
google.com. I just made a large post on there that I thought I would share with the other
lists I belong to. You will be surprised at some of the results you get with these search
techniques. I use them practically every day when I'm researching.



I know a lot of people have no idea of the power of google search techniques. A while back
I started my own list of helpful google operators with examples of them. So, to hopefully
get this list started I thought I would share them. Feel free to cross-post this to other
lists if you like. You go to google and type the commands into the search box to use them.
Alternately, if you have the google toolbar you can type the commands in the toolbox
search box.



1) How to search for sites that link back to another site:



example: Let's say you've found a great web site for your Smythe family research. Let's
say that site is called www.smythefamily.com. There might be other people out there who
also like that site and have linked back to it, and maybe you've never seen that other
site. The command to find that other site is:



link:www.smythe.com



This will give you a list of any sites that google has indexed that link to
www.smythe.com.



2) How to search for sites that are similar to another site:



This technique is the same as if you clicked the "Similar pages" link on a list of
returned results from a standard google search. What it will do is show you sites that
cover material that is similar to the site you are interested in. For the example I'll use
my own Mat(t)hews genealogy site:



related:www.bluntrazor.com



If you used this command you would get a short list of sites that google says are related
to or similar to my site.



3) How to restrict a google search to a single web site or domain:



We all use google or similar search pages to find things related to our genealogy
research, but how often do we get TONS and TONS of results that are of no interest to us?
A lot. Wouldn't it be really useful if you could restrict a search to a single web site?
Let's say you only want to search rootsweb (sure they have search links for everything,
but I don't think they have a single search to look at everything at once) or you only
want to search the forums at genealogy.com. There are several different ways to search for
different things so I'll show all the ones that come to mind with examples for each:



The first again uses my web site to search for the surname "Pace":



site:bluntrazor.com Pace



The search returns 11 results and the search box on my site returns 12 so google does
pretty good with that one (always remember that google can only return results for pages
that it has indexed and there is no guarantee that it has indexed every single page on a
web site.)



Let's take that a little further and search for a man named Thomas Pace. Most people would
put Thomas Pace in quote marks " " and you can certainly do that with your search, eg.
site:bluntrazor.com "Thomas Pace", but I find it easier to use a google shortcut:



site:bluntrazor.com Thomas.Pace



Saves us a keystroke doing that. I find this search method really helpful when searching
the forums at genealogy.com since they don't seem to have a global forum search. To use
the command there you would do this:



site:genforum.genealogy.com Thomas.Pace



This turns up results for Thomas Pace on boards other than the Pace family forum. Keep in
mind that this search will only return results for "Thomas Pace" together and not "Thomas
or Pace" seperately. I've found that in general google does NOT have all of the genforums
indexed, but you should get results from different forums that will hopefully give you an
idea of some new places to look.



What if you wanted to search for more than one surname from a single site? To do that we
use what is called the "pipe" character: | . This key will be found most likely above your
ENTER key. To search for two different names, eg. Isaac OR James from my site you would
use:



site:bluntrazor.com Isaac | James (alternately you could do site:bluntrazor.com Isaac OR
James but the "OR" must be capitalized)



this gives us a list of pages where EITHER of those names appear.



Finally, if you want pages that include both Isaac and James on the same page, but not
together (not as a single name "Isaac James") you would do:



site:bluntrazor.com Isaac and James



For some reason google tells me I don't need to use the word and, but I always get fewer
results if I don't use it.



4) How to get results from pages with a specific name in the web site title:



When I first saw this operator I was a little sceptical of it's usefulness, but when I
used it I was surprised. A web page's title is the text you find at the top of your
browser in the blue bar. I think part of the usefulness of this method is that it is a way
to further narrow down a search. Let's say you were looking for pages on Charles City
County (Virginia). If you just googled Charles City county you get over a half million
results, but if you set the search to only those pages with Charles City County in the
title of the page it cuts that number down to just over 5,000 (still a lot, but better
than a half million). To use this technique you do this:



intitle:Charles.City.County



Returns from the above are going to have Charles City County in that exact order in the
title (see below if you don't want the words necessarily in that order)



If you were searching for a very unique surname this could prove helpful:



intitle:Blackwelder



Blackwelder is my mother's maiden name and everyone with the surname is related without
question.



Remember, any words put into a web page's title are going to be important as the site is
generally specifically about whatever the title says.



If you wanted Charles City County to appear in the title, but not necessarily in that
order you would do this:



allintitle:Charles City County



allintitle will catch variations such as a web page title "County of Charles City".
Curiously, allintitle only returns 505 results versus the broader
intitle:Charles.City.County which gives 5,000 results. So, it pays to try it both ways.



5) How to get results from pages with a specific name in the web site url (address):



This one might seem like it's splitting hairs with intitle, but I always get interesting
results when I use it. Again, let's say we are looking for Charles City County. To search
for sites that have that county in the ADDRESS of the web site we use:



inurl:Charles.City.County



Again, this gives returns with the exact phrase Charles City County. I just used this one
and found a site I had not come across before on 17th century Charles City County that did
not appear when used the intitle command on it.



Alternately you could use:



allinurl: Charles City County



to get addresses that don't have the words necessarily in that exact order.



Another method with this operator is:



inurl:Blackwelder Isaac



which returns results that have "Blackwelder" in the url and "Isaac" somewhere in the web
page (NOT in the url).



6) How to mix operators



It is possible to mix any of the above operators, but generally I don't as I find I get
decent results without having to do that. But, let's say you wanted to search only a
specific site for Blackwelder in the title of any of the web pages:



intitle:Blackwelder site:edu



This will returns results with sites that have Blackwelder in the title of the web page,
_BUT_ it will only search web sites that end in .edu (this would be colleges and other
schools, no .com or .org or dot anything else but .edu). I'm not sure why you'd want to do
this with a genealogy search, but if you do that's how it's done. Other combinations using
any of the above are possible also.



Believe it or not, I learned the majority of this by watching a video of a college kid on
youtube showing how to illegally download music from google 🙂



Good luck to all with your searches. I have been pleasantly surprised with a lot of the
results I've gotten using these techniques and I know you will be also.



Greg Matthews





Maynard		07/21/2007 2:06:55
[POYTHRESS] A surprise Cleaton in a Taylor willBarbara NealI have not transcribed Thomas Taylor, Senior's lengthy will, but in
reading thru a photocopy of it (from Family History Library microfilm
32,518 that covers all of Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Books 1 & 2) I was
surprised to find that a name had been listed wrong in the abstract of
his will in Katherine Elliott's "Early Wills 1765-1799 Mecklenburg Co,
VA:" Elliott listed his various children mentioned in the will, but one
of them she mistakenly listed as "Susanna Taylor." In the Will Book,
that daughter's name is quite clearly Susanna Cleaton.

I'll re-type Elliott's abstract below, but I will correct Susanna's
name. Note that Thomas Taylor's son David Taylor (named both as an heir
and as an Executor) married Rebecca Dortch; David & Rebecca were parents
of Rebecca B. Taylor -- the 2nd wife of Lewis Poythress.

You may also like to know that Penelope, the wife of this Thomas Taylor
had the maiden name of Goodwyn, and it is from it that they named
one of their sons Goodwyn Taylor. We learn her maiden name from her
father's will, in "Surry County, Virginia, Wills, Estate Accounts and
Inventories 1730-1800" by Lyndon H. Hart III. Hart's abstract (which is
on his p.4) of Thomas Goodwyn's will from Surry Co, VA Will, Etc Book
No.8, p.135, lists Thomas Goodwyn of Southwark Parish, Surry. Will dated
7 Feb 1730 and recorded 20 Oct 1731, with Executor John Goodwin; sons
Francis, William (who was not yet 19), John. Wife Mary. Daughter
Pennellopy [sic] Taylor. Witnesses William Shands, Charles Gee and
Mazareth Shands. On Hart's p.5, he also abstracted Thomas Goodwyne's
Inventory from p.151 of the same Surry volume. It lists date of 20 Nov
1731, recorded 19 Jan 1731 [sic]; John Goodwyn, Executor; and Appraisers
Thomas Taylor, Charles Gee and Thomas Thomlinson.

Back to Thomas Taylor's will: he skips all around in his l-o-n-g will,
leaving stuff to different kids & to different combinations of kids,
re-listing certain ones of them for stuff before he eventually gets to
other kids not named previously. Thus the order of the names in this
will may bear no relationship to their birth order.

Will of Thomas Taylor, Senr. in Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 1, which
begins on p.140, was dated Oct 24, 1772, and recorded Oct 9, 1773:

Wife:
Penelope Taylor

Children:
Thomas Taylor
John Taylor
William Taylor
Goodwyn Taylor
David Taylor
James Taylor
Mary Taylor
Susanna Cleaton
Elizabeth Watson
Jones Taylor

Grandson:
Jesse Taylor

Grandson:
Thomas Taylor, son of Thomas Taylor

Refers to land on Jeneto and Flatt Creeks in Mecklenburg County, and to
land on both sides of Broad River in South Carolina.

Executors:
Sons William, James, and David Taylor

Witnesses:
Nathaniel Edwards, Thomas Malone, and Amey Malone		07/24/2007 1:18:43
[POYTHRESS] LVA Chancery Case ID & good thing to rememberBarbara NealOne thing I learned recently that's helpful to remember. In LVA's online
index of Chancery Cases, one usually finds (as in the case below)
"Wills: NONE" indexed as being in the case.

I learned from an Archivist at LVA *why* I kept finding one or more will
in *many* cases where the index said "NONE' -- Answer: If one can find
the same will in the county Will Book (or similarly titled book), they
put "NONE" there. They *only* indicate in this online Chancery case
index that a will is present in a case, *IF* the will is NOT in the
county's estate matters. He said that was covered in the introductory
info on the Chancery case website, so I no doubt had read thru that
intro years ago, but I certainly don't re-read all the intro every time
I use the website.
= = =
VGS announced in their current Newsletter that the Library of VA has now
completed indexing the names in Chancery Cases for the city of Lynchburg.

Though Lynchburg isn't a city where I would have particularly expected
to find Poythress among the names, I checked to see if it was among the
"Surnames" listed for any cases there. (I check that field, because it
includes not just Plaintiffs or Defendants, but also others, sometimes
folks who had to give depositions.)

The search turned up one Chancery Case, below. If any of you recognize
any of the other surnames as being connected in any way to any
particular Poythress, I'd appreciate hearing about it. Seems to me that
surnames should include "Pendleton" but I'm just copying it here from
the website:

Chancery Case: LYNCHBURG CITY 1878-049
Plaintiff(s)
P1: REP(S) OF SONS OF TEMPERANCE PENDLETON DIVISION

Defendant(s)
D1: JOSIAH CLIFT ETC

Surnames included in the case:
BOONE
CLIFT
EMERSON
JOHNSON
PERCIVAL
POSTON
POYTHRESS
SAUNDERS
SEABURY
SONS OF TEMPERANCE PENDLETON DIVISION
WELLS
WOODGREEN

Wills NONE
Plat? NO
Format Original		07/25/2007 12:31:35
[POYTHRESS] (no subject)John M. PoythressWesley E. Pippenger has recently published a 700 page index of VA estates 1800-1865, volume 8, which covers the counties of Chas. City, Chesterfield, Dinwiddie, Greenville, Henrico, James City, Prince George, Surry and Sussex along with the cities of Petersburg, Richmond and Williams. Luckily, this covers our main counties of interest with only the omissions of Amelia, Brunswick and Mecklenburg.



We would have wished for the period covered to have been earlier but we take what we can get. We obviously would have wished for more than the 7 individuals covered but again we take what we can get. I am posting these below with the thought that we can use these index entries as a “finding guide.” If or as you have or get one of the documents listed I would very much appreciate your sharing your transcription with me so it can be added to the master data base.



Name Location What Year References

Poythress, Bersheba Chas. City Will 1850 WB5:182-reel 10◄

Poythress, Bersheba Chas. City Receipt 1854 WB5:357-reel 10

Poythress, Bersheba Chas. City Sale 1854 WB5:349,352-reel 10

Poythress, Bersheba Chas. City Appraisal 1854 WB5:353-reel 10

Poythress, Bersheba Chas. City Account 1854 WB5:354-reel 10

Poythress, Bersheba,

legatees of Chas City Account 1854 WB5:355-reel 10

Poythress, Hardiman,

children of Pr. Geo. Account O. 1811 OB:142-reel B▀

Poythress, Patrick H. Dinw. Will 1818 VGSQ 10:1, p. 5*◄

Poythress, Patrick H.

in Petersburg Dinw. Will 1823 W2**-reel 57◄

Poythress, Pleasant D.Pr. Geo. Inventory 1837 IA210***-reel 6

Poythress, Thomas E. Chas. City Will 1847 WB5:035-reel 10◄

Poythress, Thomas E. Chas. City Sale 1848 WB5:086-reel 10

Poythress, Thomas E. Chas. City Inventory 1848 WB5:085-reel 10

Poythress, Thomas E. Chas. City Account 1848 WB5:121-reel 10

Poythress, Thomas E. Chas. City Bonds 1849 WB5:140,141-reel 10

Poythress, Thomas E. Chas. City Account 1850 WB5:192-reel 10

Poythress, Thomas E. Chas. City Receipt 1853 WB5:319-reel 10

Poythress, Thomas

[Bersheba] Chas. City Dower 1847 WB5:076-reel 10

Poythress, William Pr. Geo. Will P. 1811 OB:146, 1811-14-reel 8▀

Poythress, William Pr. Geo. Will P. 1811 OB:092, 1811-14-reel 8



* Mag. of VA Genealogy Quarterly

** Original Loose Wills

*** Inventories & Accounts

◄ We have it

▀ We need it



It should be noted that with the likely exception of Pleasants Poythress and the possible inclusion of Hardiman

Poythress, this entire set of entries is dealing with a single family. Thomas E. (Eppes) Poythress m. Bersheba

Bryant. William Poythress and Patrick Henry Poythress were brothers of Thomas Eppes Poythress. One hooker

is that Bersheba refers to a William Poythress in her will as “her nephew” so perhaps there is a second generation

William in that family that Mr. Batte did not list. We do not know the death date of the sibling William.



Pleasant Poythress (likely “Pleasants”) eludes me completely.



Hardiman Poythress stands at least a chance of being a sibling to Thomas, Patrick and William. A Hardiman Poythress

marries Elizabeth Golder 13 Oct 1789. A Hardiman shows on Prince George personal property tax roll in 1800 with\

8 slaves and 4 horses. Later, in 1811,(suggesting that Hardiman died young) a Prince George court orders Nathaniel

Marks, “admr. of Hardiman Poythress, dced.” to pay Elizabeth Poythress for the benefit of the “infant children of said

Hardiman.” The records seem to imply that this Hardiman spent time in both PG County and in NC so it is possible,

especially given that he died young, that Mr. Batte may have missed him. At the most, I would tentatively put Hardiman

in this family by default and still show him as only a possible. Suggestions welcomed.



Maynard		07/27/2007 12:16:54
[POYTHRESS] (no subject)John M. PoythressHere it is again in 12 pt type hoping that it won’t omit the symbols and/or fall off the page:



Wesley E. Pippenger has recently published a 700 page index of VA estates 1800-1865, volume 8, which covers the counties of Chas. City, Chesterfield, Dinwiddie, Greenville, Henrico, James City, Prince George, Surry and Sussex along with the cities of Petersburg, Richmond and Williams. Luckily, this covers our main counties of interest with only the omissions of Amelia, Brunswick and Mecklenburg.



We would have wished for the period covered to have been earlier but we take what we can get. We obviously would have wished for more than the 7 individuals covered but again we take what we can get. I am posting these below with the thought that we can use these index entries as a “finding guide.” If or as you have or get one of the documents listed I would very much appreciate your sharing your transcription with me so it can be added to the master data base.



Name Location What Year References

Poythress, Bersheba Chas. City Will 1850 WB5:182-reel 10◄

Poythress, Bersheba Chas. City Receipt 1854 WB5:357-reel 10

Poythress, Bersheba Chas. City Sale 1854 WB5:349,352-reel 10

Poythress, Bersheba Chas. City Appraisal 1854 WB5:353-reel 10

Poythress, Bersheba Chas. City Account 1854 WB5:354-reel 10

Poythress, Bersheba,

legatees of Chas City Account 1854 WB5:355-reel 10

Poythress, Hardiman,

children of Pr. Geo. Account O. 1811 OB:142-reel B▀

Poythress, Patrick H. Dinw. Will 1818 VGSQ 10:1, p. 5*◄

Poythress, Patrick H.

in Petersburg Dinw. Will 1823 W2**-reel 57◄

Poythress, Pleasant D.Pr. Geo. Inventory 1837 IA210***-reel 6

Poythress, Thomas E. Chas. City Will 1847 WB5:035-reel 10◄

Poythress, Thomas E. Chas. City Sale 1848 WB5:086-reel 10

Poythress, Thomas E. Chas. City Inventory 1848 WB5:085-reel 10

Poythress, Thomas E. Chas. City Account 1848 WB5:121-reel 10

Poythress, Thomas E. Chas. City Bonds 1849 WB5:140,141-reel 10

Poythress, Thomas E. Chas. City Account 1850 WB5:192-reel 10

Poythress, Thomas E. Chas. City Receipt 1853 WB5:319-reel 10

Poythress, Thomas

[Bersheba] Chas. City Dower 1847 WB5:076-reel 10

Poythress, William Pr. Geo. Will P. 1811 OB:146, 1811-14-reel 8▀

Poythress, William Pr. Geo. Will P. 1811 OB:092, 1811-14-reel 8



* Mag. of VA Genealogy Quarterly

** Original Loose Wills

*** Inventories & Accounts

◄ We have it

▀ We need it



It should be noted that with the likely exception of Pleasants Poythress and the possible inclusion of Hardiman

Poythress, this entire set of entries is dealing with a single family. Thomas E. (Eppes) Poythress m. Bersheba

Bryant. William Poythress and Patrick Henry Poythress were brothers of Thomas Eppes Poythress. One hooker

is that Bersheba refers to a William Poythress in her will as “her nephew” so perhaps there is a second generation

William in that family that Mr. Batte did not list. We do not know the death date of the sibling William.



Pleasant Poythress (likely “Pleasants”) eludes me completely.



Hardiman Poythress stands at least a chance of being a sibling to Thomas, Patrick and William. A Hardiman Poythress

marries Elizabeth Golder 13 Oct 1789. A Hardiman shows on Prince George personal property tax roll in 1800 with\

8 slaves and 4 horses. Later, in 1811,(suggesting that Hardiman died young) a Prince George court orders Nathaniel

Marks, “admr. of Hardiman Poythress, dced.” to pay Elizabeth Poythress for the benefit of the “infant children of said

Hardiman.” The records seem to imply that this Hardiman spent time in both PG County and in NC so it is possible,

especially given that he died young, that Mr. Batte may have missed him. At the most, I would tentatively put Hardiman

in this family by default and still show him as only a possible. Suggestions welcomed.



Maynard		07/27/2007 12:25:12
[POYTHRESS] Nell TimsHi All,
Just wanted to let ya'll know that my cousin Nell Tims has died in Fl. She is the mother of Al Tims who started this site for us.
Judy



08/20/2007 3:40:35
[POYTHRESS] Nell TimsHi All,
Just wanted to let ya'll know that my cousin Nell Tims has died in Fl. She is the mother of Al Tims who started this site for us.
Judy



08/20/2007 3:40:35
Re: [POYTHRESS] Nell TimsThanks Sue,
I knew after her husband died that she would not be with us much longer.
Judy
>
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> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Nell Tims
>
> Judy,
>
> We are sorry to hear of your and Al's loss.
> Our thoughts are with you and yours.
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Nell TimsHi Judy. Thank you for letting us know about Nell. So sorry for your loss as
well as the loss to the Tims Family. Thoughts and prayers are sent to all.

Take care,
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[POYTHRESS] Nell Timss bJudy,

We are sorry to hear of your and Al's loss.
Our thoughts are with you and yours.

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Jackpot!JLPWell, I hate to be the spoil sport, but there's both good news and bad
news here. The good news, of course, is that eventually all this data
will be made available on-line.

The bad news is that all this data will soon be on-line and all the
bad genealogies that are in these collections will be propagated far
and wide. I've recently been going through a lot of these old
published genealogies that can only be had from the LDS on microfiche,
and some of them are truly awful (and wrong, wrong, wrong!). I really
wonder whether the world of genealogy is getting better or worse with
everything that one will find on-line on the Internet, but at this
time will opt for opining that it is getting worse - much worse. This
kind of thing just encourages the folks I will call the Internet
scavengers to never even attempt to research primary records to check
if published genealogies can be trusted. (Spoken by one who seems to
have spent the last five years or so debunking family genealogies that
have been published.)

My 2-cents worth...

Lou Poole		08/30/2007 10:54:49
[POYTHRESS] Jackpot!John M. PoythressNews

15 August 2007

Nationwide Local and County Histories to Go Online



Three genealogical libraries pool their collections in massive digitization effort

SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH- Thousands of published family histories, city and county histories,

historic city directories, and related records are coming to the Internet. The Allen
County Public

Library (ACPL) in Fort Wayne, Indiana, Brigham Young University Harold B. Lee Library, and

FamilySearch's Family History Library in Salt Lake City announced the joint project today.
When

complete, it will be the most comprehensive collection of city and county histories on the
Web-

and access will be free at www.familyhistoryarchive.byu.edu
.



The digital history project will target over 100,000 published family histories and
thousands of

local histories that are rich in names as well as biographical and genealogical data
associated

with those names. "Publishing those collections from the three libraries involved will
make a

significant and attractive family history digital library online for genealogists and
historians," said

David Rencher, director of Records and Information for FamilySearch.





"I believe the most immediate, substantial contribution of this collaboration will be the
addition of

local history materials," said Allen County Public Library's Genealogy Center Manager,
Curt

Witcher. The collaborative project will digitally scan thousands of historic city
directories, as well

as city and county histories from North America. The ACPL and the Family History Library
have

the largest collections of city and county histories from North America. "I believe the
strength of

our two well known, well used, and well loved institutions working together is a terrific
benefit to

the genealogical community," added Witcher.



Once digitized, the collections will have "every word" search capability, which allows
users to

search by name, location, date, or other field across the collection. The search results
are then

linked to high quality digital images of the original publication. Digitization efforts
have begun.

New additions will be noted and hyperlinked in the Family History Library Catalog at

FamilySearch.org as they are digitized. The collection can be accessed currently at

www.familyhistoryarchive.byu.edu.



FamilySearch is providing the computers, scanners, and camera operators required to
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the project.

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http://consultant.familysearch.org		08/30/2007 11:35:16
[POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress d ca 1763 DinwiddieSandyHi,

I am seeking some help with identifying the Charles Poythress who
died ca 1763 in Dinwiddie County. I am not aware of him leaving a
will, but Peter Woodlief (Sr) and William Cryer/Cryor served as
executors of his estate.

I gather from the research of Michael Tutor, as posted to this list,
that Charles was married in 1739 to Catharine Crawforth/Crawford, d/o
Elizabeth Claiborne & Ralph Crawforth/Crawford.

Who were the children of this Charles Poythress? Might he have had a
son, Francis?
And, are the parents of this Charles Poythress known?

Thanks so much for any help.

-Sandy		08/30/2007 12:16:32
[POYTHRESS] Death of Jackson Lee "Jack" Poythress 25 Aug 2007 - parents?Barbara NealThanks Pat & Neil Poythress for alerting me to this. If any of our
subscribers are relatives of Jack, please accept my condolensces.

Coincidentally, while I was in Richmond in May, at the Library of
Virginia, I saw a reference to Jack while looking in the Manuscripts
Room at:
Accession #35260
Bolling Batte Papers: Poythress Family (Box 18)

In Box 18, Folder 6 (which folder has Batte's various collected/research
notes regarding Poythresses of Mecklenburg Co, VA), I saw Batte's
handwritten notation that read:
"Poythress family in South Hill, 1964
Picture of Jack Poythress, a policeman
in South Hill Enterprise
13 Aug 1964"

I do not know who the parents of this Jack Poythress were, and if any of
you can tell me, I'd sure appreciate knowing.

Barbara
= = =
VaNcNews.com "Community News of Virginia and North Carolina"

Friday, August 31, 2007
Last modified Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:36 PM EDT

Jackson L. Poythress

Jackson Lee "Jack" Poythress, 72 of South Hill died Saturday, August 25,
2007 at his residence. He was a former Chief of Police for the Town of
South Hill and a golf course superintendent for South Hill Country Club
and Tanglewood Shores

He is survived by his wife Geneva G. Poythress, three sons; Gary L.
Poythress and wife Lori of Chester, Ronnie J. Poythress of Raleigh and
Scott G. Poythress and wife Saskia of Lake Anna, Va., three sisters;
Bernice Puryear of South Hill, Betty Reamey and Margaret Parker both of
Colonial Heights, five grandchildren and one great grandchild.

A graveside funeral service was conducted Tuesday in Crestview Memorial
Park.

Memorial contributions may be made to the Community Memorial Hospice,
P. O. Box 90, South Hill, VA 23970. Online condolences may be sent to
www.crowderhitecrews.com.		08/31/2007 6:24:37
Re: [POYTHRESS] Jackpot!John M. Poythress You're spot on, Lou. I like it because I'll only need to apply my
personal "spam filters" once instead of three times....and one can get to some "cited"
stuff occasionally. One's own spam filter? I guess you
work up your own. Any GEDCOM with "Plantaganet" in it is bound to be
phoney and needs pitching, etc. etc. Now I'll catch hell from a
Plantaganet descendant .

MP

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
JLP
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:55 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Jackpot!

Well, I hate to be the spoil sport, but there's both good news and bad
news here. The good news, of course, is that eventually all this data
will be made available on-line.

The bad news is that all this data will soon be on-line and all the
bad genealogies that are in these collections will be propagated far
and wide. I've recently been going through a lot of these old
published genealogies that can only be had from the LDS on microfiche,
and some of them are truly awful (and wrong, wrong, wrong!). I really
wonder whether the world of genealogy is getting better or worse with
everything that one will find on-line on the Internet, but at this
time will opt for opining that it is getting worse - much worse. This
kind of thing just encourages the folks I will call the Internet
scavengers to never even attempt to research primary records to check
if published genealogies can be trusted. (Spoken by one who seems to
have spent the last five years or so debunking family genealogies that
have been published.)

My 2-cents worth...

Lou Poole



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Re: [POYTHRESS] Jackpot!Deloris RileyLou, I hate to make an unpopular observation but I wholeheartedly agree
with you regarding those so-called genealogists who do not search the
original records for their information. I, too, have found so many,
many errors in people copying other peoples "work". AND, some people
take everything on the internet as the gospel truth. It makes it so
difficult when we are truly trying to help others in their searching. In
the "olden days", we drove all over the south visiting pertinent court
houses for original records. Now, one must look at microfilm. Deloris
Wynne-Riley
-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John M. Poythress
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:03 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Jackpot!


You're spot on, Lou. I like it because I'll only need to apply my
personal "spam filters" once instead of three times....and one can get
to some "cited" stuff occasionally. One's own spam filter? I guess you
work up your own. Any GEDCOM with "Plantaganet" in it is bound to be
phoney and needs pitching, etc. etc. Now I'll catch hell from a
Plantaganet descendant .

MP

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JLP
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:55 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Jackpot!

Well, I hate to be the spoil sport, but there's both good news and bad
news here. The good news, of course, is that eventually all this data
will be made available on-line.

The bad news is that all this data will soon be on-line and all the bad
genealogies that are in these collections will be propagated far and
wide. I've recently been going through a lot of these old published
genealogies that can only be had from the LDS on microfiche, and some of
them are truly awful (and wrong, wrong, wrong!). I really wonder
whether the world of genealogy is getting better or worse with
everything that one will find on-line on the Internet, but at this time
will opt for opining that it is getting worse - much worse. This kind
of thing just encourages the folks I will call the Internet scavengers
to never even attempt to research primary records to check if published
genealogies can be trusted. (Spoken by one who seems to have spent the
last five years or so debunking family genealogies that have been
published.)

My 2-cents worth...

Lou Poole



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Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress d ca 1763 DinwiddieBarbara NealHi Sandy & all, I don't know the answers to the questions about Charles
Poythress' parents or children, sorry to say, but would love to learn of
any original documents that reveal the answers. If anyone on our List
can help, please alert all of us, not just Sandy.

Speaking of learning of sources for info, could you please share with us
how you came to learn that Peter Woodlief (Sr) and William Cryer/Cryor
served as executors of Charles' estate after he died circa 1763 in
Dinwiddie Co?

I notice that Dinwiddie County was created out of Prince George (PG)
County, Virginia in 1752, just 11 years before you show Charles' death.
If you haven't already done so, you might want to see what info may be
available on him in that county.

Also Bristol Parish (established 1643) covered the area of Charles City,
South of the James River, which covered the area later comprised of PG
Co, Dinwiddie Co, and Henrico Co, so perhaps Bristol Parish resources
might help.

Again, I'd love to hear the sources for your info about his executors
and any answers to the questions about Charles Poythress' parents and
children.

Good luck,
Barbara		08/31/2007 9:37:26
[POYTHRESS] Charles PoythressJohn M. PoythressNice to hear from you, Sandy. I’ll take a stab at your question with full knowledge that what I have is bound to disappoint you. Maybe a piece or two of it will help even if it is rank speculation.



To my knowledge, the parents of Charles Poythress are not known. He indeed married Catharine Crawford 2 April 1739 and died in 1763.



The rest of this I will try to pull out of a swamp which is the Dinwiddie Clerk’s 1763

fee book which is attached. [Those on the Poythress mailing list will not get this as rootsweb doesn’t process attachments; if any of you don’t already have a copy and want one just let me know].



The introduction to this document is self-explanatory but from these bare bones I’ll make some shaky assumptions:



* I would guess that Charles died intestate. Why? Because the Clerk’s book is chock full of requests for document copies referring to a Chancery case post dating Charles’ death. There is one mention of a will but I’m inclined to discount it. Chancery cases often follow like clockwork when an individual with property dies intestate.



* As executors, Woodlief and Cryer appear to be right in the middle of it all along with

both a Francis and a John Poythress. Premier Poythress researcher Bolling Batte identifies a

John as a son of Charles (“among” his children) with no mention of a Francis. However, given

that a Francis is mixed up in the requests for Chancery records I would not rule out that he

was a son of Charles. Additionally, Claiborne family figures appear in the clerk’s book connected

to Charles. As for son John, he seems to be the grandson of Elizabeth Anderson and is covered

in her will of



9 Oct 1759

Will of Elizabeth Anderson, Chesterfield County, VA, 9 Oct 1759 (book I)

Will of Elizabeth Anderson of Dale Parish

To daughter Elizabeth Crowley, 1 negro

To grandson John Poythress, 1 mulatto, and if he dies without heirs, then to my son Claiborne Anderson.

To grandson John Anderson, 1 mulatto, and if he dies with out heirs, then to my son Claiborne Anderson.

Rest of estate to my son Claiborne Anderson.

Dated 9 Oct 1759

Wit: Henry Hamton, James Waldrop, John Waldrop, Penellope Parrot.



The Dinwiddie clerk’s document is attached. Good luck.



Also, Charles appears in Chesterfield County records as immediately below but I don’t have him in Dinwiddie records which is no particular surprise inasmuch as Dinwiddie records are tough to come by.



Sept 1761 (order)

p. 381, Received of Mrs. Elizabeth Anderson, widow and late Adm’x of Ralph Crawford, dec’d ,

4 negroes: Tom, Sue, Betty and Grissel; on account of my marrying 1 his daughter Elizabeth.

10 April 1739.

Wit: Geo. Robertson, Min., James Mitcheal, Charles Poythress.

Signed: Henry Anderson Recorded Sept. 1761



1762

Poythres, Francis…listed in Chesterfield tithables 1762. (loose papers of Chesterfield County)



Jan 1762 (order)

p. 382, A marriage is intended between Charles Poythress and Catherine Crawford, and this is

an agreement between them. It is agreed that the negroes Jack, Abram, Tom, Nanny, Lett,

Sarah, Jenny, Bess and Hilly, which belong to said Catherine, will remain her own property.

Henrico County, April 9, 1739.

Wit: James Mitchael, Henry Anderson, John (I) Old.

Signed: Charles Poythress, Catherine Crawforth (sic)

Recorded Jan, 1762.







A Charles Poythress patents 300 acres on Butterwood Swamp (in Prince George County)

on 20 August 1745. Given a marriage date of 1739 and a death date of 1763 it would

suggest that the Charles of this query could easily be the same man.



►20 Aug 1745- Charles Poythress [search: Charles Poythress]

typ Patent

ref VPB22:420/422

Dat 20 Aug 1745

frm William Gooch, Lt. Governor

to Charles Poythress

con 30Sh.

re 300a on the lower side of the Oldfield Branch of Butterwood

! swamp

loc -18137 -45746 F127 L0 P255

pt Oldfield Branch. where Francis Coleman's Land Crosses the same

ln E11N; 198P; along Francis Coleman's Line

pt Coleman's corner. Hiccory

ln E11N; 42P;

pt Lightwood Knot by the side of a small Branch between several

! trees faces Inwards

ln N11W; 200P;

pt Corner at a Lightwood Knott between several Trees chopt inwards

! in an open place on the upper side of the Beach Branch

ln W11S; 237P;

pt the Oldfield Branch

lm ; ; down Oldfield Branch

end



Sandy, if any of this in combination with your research leads you to Charles’ line either before or

after, I would very much appreciate your sharing it. Also, I would hope that others on the Poythress

web might have some contributions for us.



Best,



Maynard

(John M. Poythress)		08/31/2007 10:09:39
Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles PoythressSandyOn Sep 1, 2007, at 6:05 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Bute
> Co, as I recall, was a large county & had its name changed, but I
> cannot
> readily recall what county name(s) replaced it.

Hi Barbara,

Let me help you out with Bute County (although forgive me if I'm just
telling you that which you already know, in which case perhaps this
will serve to help others.) If you look at a present-day map, the
size of the extinct Bute Co. = what you see when you combine today's
Warren, Franklin and Vance counties. Those 3 *were* Bute.

Bute had a very short lifespan, however, existing for only 15 years.
It was formed in 1764 from Granville Co, and abolished in 1779 when
it was split to form two brand-new counties: Warren (whose northern
border is the Virginia line) and Franklin, which is immediately to
the south of Warren. Vance County is a "youngster" - not formed until
1881, when it was carved from parts of Granville (mostly), Franklin &
Warren. (73% of Vance came from Granville, the other 23% from Warren
& Franklin combined).

Bottom line: this the same tract of 644 acres. John Hawkins sold it
to Charles Poythress in 1751, and upon Charles Poythress' death his
executors, William Cryor & Peter Woodlief, sold it to Jon Rees Jr.
In case you just wondered, this same tract would be in Warren County
as of 1779, and remains there today.
When or whether Charles Poythress actually occupied the land is a
separate question to which I don't have an answer. I find no mention
of him in the Bute Co. Court minutes, but I have not checked
Granville for him.

I happen to be particularly familiar with Hawtree Creek, having
ancestors whose home on Hawtree Creek was known as "Hawtree
Plantation" - though let me quickly add, I'm sorry to report is not
to be confused with the likes of Tara or Orton. 😉 The creek rises
in north central Warren and flows north into Virginia into the
Roanoke. If you have a fairly detailed present-day map of the area,
it's not too hard to locate. Look for Norlina (nr the NC/VA border on
I-85) and then look due east. Hawtree Creek flows into what I suppose
we'd still call the river (tho it's more like Lake Gaston), about
halfway between I-85 and where the Mecklenburg/Brunswick Co line is
located on the opposite side.

Online, go here and click on Hawtree Creek, to get the US
topographical map:
http://www.topozone.com/states/NorthCarolina.asp?
county=Warren&feature=Stream

Then navigate southward to see from whence it flows.
As you probably can tell, I'm a lot more "at home" in NC counties
than I am in Virginia!

Let me ask you this....
Was there a loss of records (esp will books) in Dinwiddie that could
account for the failure to come up with the will of Charles Poythress
as well as that of Peter Woodlief? Or is this more likely a case of
my just needing to look harder?

Thanks again,

Sandy		09/01/2007 2:16:58
[POYTHRESS] Dinwiddie Co recordsBarbara NealThanks so much, Sandy, for the Bute Co, NC reminder & the info about
Hawtree Creek & how it fits in with my Brunswick & Mecklenburg
ancestors' areas.

Re Dinwiddie Co, VA records, info from Carol McGinnis' "Virginia
Genealogy Sources and Resources" alerts us that Dinwiddie was created
from the western part of Prince George (PG) Co on 1 May 1752 & there've
been no boundary changes. First settlers came along the James &
Appomattox Rivers thru Surry & PG counties.

In the Rev War records remained intact. However in the closing days of
the Civil War, when forces from both sides clashed in the county, Union
troops "ransacked the county buildings and destroyed or carried away
most of the records accumulated up to this time. Gone were all deeds
prior to 1833, all wills before 1830." Surviving were an Order Book for
1789-91 and a Surveyor's Plat Book of 1755-1865.

Records BEGIN on the following dates:
- probate 1830
- court 1832
- land 1833
- marriage 1850
- birth & death 1853-96

Cheers, Barbara		09/01/2007 3:11:37
Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress & Chancery Cases in VAJulie CabittoMy thought for chancery was because wills were often in chancery cases. Or
if there wasn't a will, the estate or assets were divided among heirs in
chancery. It is mind boggling how many cases went to chancery. And even more
amazing, is how many cases dragged on for decades and never were resolved,
because people were too broke to pay up etc. You see a lot of that after the
civil war when the Confederate and Virginia dollar became worthless, and
incomes used to be dependant on slaves and slave interest. (A slave owner
loaning a slave out to someone else for hire, and the person had to pay the
slave owner back with money plus interest.) There's lots of that stuff in
the majority of earlier chanceries. If lucky, other things that can be in
chanceries including plats, testimonies, estate assets listings. My personal
favorite part is in the complaint. Everyone involved is listed, who they're
married to including women's maiden names. If someone's deceased, their
death date is given, and the heir listed is told how they are related to the
deceased.

I don't know if this helps anyone or not...Many of my Virginia relatives of
various surnames went these migration routes.
Dortch (who married Poythress) went from Isle of Wight , to Brunswick to
Mecklenburg VA. Some went from Isle of Wight to Surry (may have just been in
an area that changed boundaries), to Brunswick to Mecklenburg. I've found
some related Taylor's along this route too.
Some families went from Charles City County to Dinwiddie, to
Brunswick/Mecklenburg counties border.
Some families continued just a little further from Mecklenburg Va across the
state border into Warren County NC. These seemed to be the two popular
migration routes for the majority of my early VA ancestors. Am I right in
thinking this is a route Thomas Poythress, the father of Lewis Poythress (b.
abt 1860) traveled? I'm not really sure so was wondering if any of you knew.

Isle of Wight, Charles City County, Prince George and up to Richmond are
along the James River. Starting at Virginia Beach area up North East to
Richmond.
I'm not really sure why so many went from Dinwiddie to Mecklenburg, but
Mecklenburg has Roanoke River on it's southern border. Mecklenburg had a
good system to transport goods on the Roanoke for trade, so there was good
economic potential to move there. I also hear the mineral springs for health
were really important to early settlers. Then when the Great Depression
started, and then WWII, many families in Mecklenburg went back up to
Richmond area for more jobs. Or to Danville, VA. So if I get stuck looking
for someone, I search near by counties on the Roanoke and James River from
where I saw them last.

Did I see something about Charles Poythress in Chesterfield? That would be
very surprising to me, because that's not an area I would expect them to be
that far back. Chesterfield is west of Richmond, and the older Poythress
records and newspaper articles I saw were all far east of Richmond towards
VA beach area like Charles City County. Sandy, did you say you had a record
in Chesterfield in the 1760's? If so, I guess that gives me one more area to
look into. I've never looked for VA Poythress in Chesterfield, because I
didn't think they ever went that far west in that part of VA.

Love, Julie

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Subject: [POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress & Chancery Cases in VA


> Sorry, but I forgot to say the important thing about possibly finding a
> Chancery Case & getting its copies:
>
> As exhibits incorporated into the complaints from the plaintiffs, one
> usually will find a transcription of any Will that is being contested.
>
> Barbara
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress d ca 1763 DinwiddieSandyOn Aug 31, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Speaking of learning of sources for info, could you please share
> with us
> how you came to learn that Peter Woodlief (Sr) and William Cryer/Cryor
> served as executors of Charles' estate after he died circa 1763 in
> Dinwiddie Co?


Hi Barbara,

Let me to yours first.

Here is the source concerning Peter and William Cryor/Cryer as
"excutors" of Charles.... please keep in mind that this is, at this
point, from abstracts - *NOT* original records, which may of course
provide additional insight, and/or could show cause for changes.

Bute County, NC deed:
DB-3, page 464. 6 April 1772. WILLIAM CRYOR, Surviving Exr. of
CHARLES POUTHRESS (POURTHRESS), dec'd., of Parish of Bath, Dinwiddie
Co., to ISAAC HOWELL, of same Parish & County.
Having qualified as Exrs. of will of CHARLES POURTNRESS who died 17__
[last 2 digits apparently not legible],
Certificate recorded in Dinwiddie Court, WILLIAM CRYOR & PETER
WOODLE~, of Dinwiddie Co., sold 644 A. in Bute Co. on Hawtree Creek,
adj. HAWKINS, to JOHN REES,JR., for 45 Pds. Va. money. PETER WOODLET
died before this transaction was completed, but JOHN REES had sold
320 A. of this land to ISAAC HOWELL & the other 324 A. to TRAVICE REES.
Now it is agreed that the whole tract be conveyed to ISAAC HOWELL,
for the 45 Pds. Va. money paid by JOHN REES,JR. & 5 Sh: to be paid by
sd. HOWELL.
Wit: JOHN COLEMAN, JOHN WILLIAMSON, DRUR! RAGSDALE, ABNER
GRIGG,JR. Proved by JOHN WILLIAMSON, Bute May Court 1772, BEN
McCULLOCH, C.C. Reg: i Aug.1772, by JS.JOHNSON, P.R.
[source: "Abstracts of Bute Co NC Deed Book 3," by Mary Hinton Kerr;
pg 156.

Bute County (NC) Court minutes, 13 May 1772:
"A deed from William Cryer to Isaac Howell was proved by the oath of
John Williamson a witness M.O.R."
[source: "Bute County, North Carolina, Minutes of the Court of Pleas
and Quarter Sessions 1767-1779," by Brent Howard Holcomb; published
1988; pg 135.
----------------

The above deed IS consistent with our Woodlief research which shows
the above Peter Woodlief (who would be Peter Sr.), died sometime
*before* 1775, per the following evidence submitted in the lawsuit
between Noel Quesnel v. Thomas Woodlief:

"The will of John Woodlief of Sion Hill, dated the 17th of February,
1775; which devises as follows, 'if my nephew Peter Woodlief, shall,
so soon as he has attained the age of twenty-one years, make a good
and sufficient deed to his brother John Woodlief, for that tract of
land and plantation known by the name of Deep Bottom, which land was
devised to the said Peter Woodlief, by the last will and testament of
his father Peter Woodlief deceased, then, and in that case, I give
and bequeath to my said nephew Peter Woodlief two hundred and fifty
pounds.' And, after some personal legacies to his other nieces and
nephews, devises 'all the rest and residue of his estate both real
and personal to his nephew John Woodlief.'"
[source: Quesnel v. Woodlief & al. Supreme Court of Virginia; 10 Va.
218; 1796 Va. LEXIS 23; 6 Call 218.]
-----------

I have a question here that perhaps you - or others - know the answer
for.
Another researcher has suggested to me that the terms "executor/
executrix" are important distinctions from those of "adminstrator/
admistratrix" - in that the former DOES connote a will; whereas the
latter connotes the deceased died intestate.

IF that is accurate, then it would seem Charles Poythress did,
indeed, leave a will..... albeit perhaps not extant.
I have not located a will for Charles - has anyone else?

That said, this Peter Woodlief *also* apparently left a will
(sometime before 1775) per the evidence and depositions in Quesnel
v. Woodlief. But as far as I know, no record of Peter's will (other
than its mention in Q v W) has ever been discovered, so if indeed
that evidence was truthful, the will does not seem to be extant.

-Sandy
>		09/01/2007 6:49:56
Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress d ca 1763 DinwiddieSandyHi Maynard,

I'm sorry, our messages are just crossing in cyberspace.
I've just posted a response to Barbara's message with an abtract of a
Bute Co, NC deed, which I believe confirms what you've got from the
Dinwiddie Clerk's book.

I do believe it is "safe" for us to believe that indeed, Peter
Woodlief & Wm Cryer were "executors" for Charles.....
and I'm not yet clear whether their being "excutors" (as opposed to
"administrators") means they held their positions by virtue of
Charles naming them such, OR whether he died intestate and the court
appointed them.

I'm not sure this is such a major point, *except* that it may hold
some implications as to whether a relationship (be it friend or
familial) might have existed between Charles Poythress and his
executors.

If they were court-appointed administrators, well, I'm not sure what
that might mean. It wouldn't seem to preclude a relationship - but I
don't know whether it would imply one.
I'm also not at all sure whether it was typical in court-appointed
cases to name 2 adminstrators rather than one.

Anyway... those are probably relatively minor points. Give me a
minute to post my REAL query to see if you Poythress researchers
think this is a possibility. Thanks so much to all of you for helping
me with this.

-Sandy


On Sep 1, 2007, at 12:41 PM, John M. Poythress wrote:

> I'd guess not likely this is the one you used, Sandy, but here is
> "a" citation from Dinwiddie Clerk's book of 1763 charges that
> outright says the two were executors of Charles Poythress. I'm
> not 100% sure I'd take this one to the bank but I suppose I
> would in lieu of "nothing." And if Charles did die intestate
> it's likely the court document appointing the two as executors
> went up in smoke during Petersburg siege. Would you share your
> citation please? Thanks.
>
>>>>>
> Year 1763
> Peter Woodleif & Wm Cryer Exors of Charles Poythress, deced
> Feb Plea ads Murphy 10 Novr Spa 10 20
> May Entg two Orders for Atta ads L. Claiborne 10 Copys 10
> ea 40
> June Ordr for Attce ads Do 10 Copy 10 20
> Augst Spa vs L. Claiborne jr 10
> 10
> Octr Atto ads Stewart otherwise Ellis 5 Bill in Chan 25 ordr
> for Time to Ansr 15 45
> 135
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-
> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
> Barbara Neal
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 5:37 PM
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress d ca 1763 Dinwiddie
>
> Hi Sandy & all, I don't know the answers to the questions about
> Charles
> Poythress' parents or children, sorry to say, but would love to
> learn of
> any original documents that reveal the answers. If anyone on our List
> can help, please alert all of us, not just Sandy.
>
> Speaking of learning of sources for info, could you please share
> with us
> how you came to learn that Peter Woodlief (Sr) and William Cryer/Cryor
> served as executors of Charles' estate after he died circa 1763 in
> Dinwiddie Co?
>
> I notice that Dinwiddie County was created out of Prince George (PG)
> County, Virginia in 1752, just 11 years before you show Charles'
> death.
> If you haven't already done so, you might want to see what info may be
> available on him in that county.
>
> Also Bristol Parish (established 1643) covered the area of Charles
> City,
> South of the James River, which covered the area later comprised of PG
> Co, Dinwiddie Co, and Henrico Co, so perhaps Bristol Parish resources
> might help.
>
> Again, I'd love to hear the sources for your info about his executors
> and any answers to the questions about Charles Poythress' parents and
> children.
>
> Good luck,
> Barbara
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles PoythressSandyMaynard,

Thanks so very much.

Maynard and all,

The primary record I'm looking at right now is the one which, on the
Woodlief side, is so often shown in conjunction with Peter (Sr.)
Woodlief. It is a deed of sale which *appears* to have been recorded
in Chesterfield County from a Francis Poythress to Thomas Walke.
Here's the abstract that I have. I have not yet had an opportunity to
track down the original record, which of course could prove more
enlightening:

Records of Chesterfield Co
Deed from Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, conveying to
Thomas Walke his interest in certain slaves now in possession of
Hannah, Poythresss, Mary Poythress and Peter WOODLIEF, which slaves
“were devised by my grandfather” to be (after the death of his widow)
divided equally among his children. 23 Jan’y 1765.

Earlier research of which I'm aware has speculated a good bit as to
which "Poythress" grandfather these slaves belonged to, as well as
the identities of this Hannah and Mary Poythress....as well as the
relationship of Peter Woodlief to these Poythresses.

I have a different "take," I think - though not without its own
speculation (hence certainly subject to error!)
I'm hoping that some of you will give it an "open mind' of
consideration, and tell me if you spot reasons why it could *NOT*be
so. We may not yet be able to "prove" whether it *IS* so.... but at
least we might be able to ascertain if it is worthy of remaining on
the table as a possibility.

I believe, in looking at the various records which I've seen
surrounding this Charles Poythress, that this Francis Poythress may
be the son of Charles... and that the "grandfather" referenced in
this 1765 deed of sale may be his *maternal* grandfather, Ralph
Crawforth/Crawford.

I do not venture at this point to guess the identities of the Hannah
or Mary Poythress, for I do not believe my theory is "dependent" upon
who Hannah and Mary are. They *could* be his sisters, or perhaps they
are *aunts.* I don't think this necessarily impacts whether this
Francis could be Charles' son.

I believe that the deed of sale (which appears to have been recorded
in Chesterfield Co) merely shows where the slaves happen to presently
be located - i.e., they're at Peter Woodlief's, Hannah Poythress',
and Mary Poythress' - and it is unclear whether those 3 people (or
any 2 of them) live with or near to one another. They just (for
reasons unstated) have these slaves at the time of this sale. We also
do not know why Francis has chosen to sell his interest. I also do
not know anything about the identity of Thomas Walke.

However, it does appear from the records that Francis' grandmother,
Elizabeth (nee Claiborne) Crawford Anderson has died, and from the
following it appears that after her death, four slaves belonging to
Francis' father were transferred to Charles Poythress "on account of"
his marriage to Ralph Crawford's daughter, Catharine. (NOTE: I
believe the reference to Charles' wife as being "Elizabeth" in this
abstract is an error - though don't know if the error is in the
original or in the abstract. It seems to be well-documented that
Charles married Ralph's daughter, Catharine, while the daughter
Elizabeth md Henry Anderson Jr.)

(this abstract comes from the archives of this Poythress list, as
posted by Michael Tutor):
Recorded in September, 1761, in Chesterfield County, received of Mrs.
Elizabeth Anderson, widow and late administratrix of Ralph Crawford,
deceased , four negroes, Tom, Sue, Betty and Grissel, to Charles
Poythress
on account of his marriage to his daughter, **Elizabeth Crawford, on
April 10, 1739. Signed by Henry Anderson. The witnesses were George
Robertson, Minister, James Mitcheal and Charles Poythress.

I note that this record *also* is recorded in Chesterfield County, as
is the deed of sale of Francis' interest in the slaves of his
grandfather to Thomas Walke.

IF my theory is correct, then this might cause us to look a bit
differently at the available possibilities concerning the parentage
of Charles Poythress, as well as the potential spouses of Peter
Woodlief.

Does the Poythress research show reasons which would *preclude* this
possibility of the deed from this Francis being for *maternal*
grandfather's slaves rather than *paternal*?
And, if not preclude..... are there still reasons that seem to make
it "highly" or "somewhat" UNlikely?

Again, many thanks for your help,

Sandy		09/01/2007 7:17:47
[POYTHRESS] Virginia Poythress newspaper articles- index listingJulie CabittoDon't know if this is old news or not. Sorry if it is. I got some new listings showing up on the newspaper index for Library of Virginia that I didn't see before. A couple I recognized, sifting through the lists, but don't think I sent the info to the list. So just in case here's the full list.
I don't see the county listed on some of these indexes. The Petersburg newspaper even listed people in Mecklenburg way back, so it doesn't mean they're in Petersburg to be in this paper. It was interesting to see another Taylor marrying a Poythress...
These are very easy for me to pull the image from in LVA and hope to get these too on my next trip there. Then I'll scan the images to those who'd like copies. These older papers don't copy well. Scanning seems to work better for me. Hope someone sees someone they recognize on these listings.
Love, Julie
PS. If you're wondering what system number is, that's the code the LVA uses to track down exactly what you're looking for. That's the number the librarians need to get something. If you ask for help finding something, they will do a search to find the system number then go pull the film, etc. Notice the William D. Poythress marriages, there's two listings for the same paper and same film, but from the system # you know it's two different index entries.
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Louisa O. Taylor married William D. Poythress- Daily Express (Petersburg, VA) film 133, Feb 21, 1856, pg 2, col 5, system #001496474 .

WD Poythress purchased a lot on Byrne St. -Petersburg Index and Appeal, film #106, May 14, 1874, pg 3 col 2, system #001491539

WD Poythress purchases house on lot on Byrne St for 555$- Petersburg Daily Appeal, film #150, May 5, 1873, pg 3, col 4, system #001491131

William D. Poythress marries Louisa O. Taylor- Daily Express- Petersburg VA, film 133, 21 Feb 1856, pg 2, col 5, system #001483589

N.G.D. Poythress, Prince George's Co., daughter of Captain Joshua Poythress marries Robert C. Harrison of Charles City County,-American Constellation, film 51& 234, pg 3 col 5, 7 Jun 1834, system #001483586 - Also listed with Robert C. Harrison first, under system # 001463476

Mary Virginia Poythress, infant daughter of William D and Louisa O. Poythress died, Daily Express, Petersburg VA, fil 133, 1 Nov 1859, pg 2, col 3, system #001483585

Professor GR Poythress, formerly of Petersburg elected organist of the Second Presbyterian church in Lynchburg, -Petersburg Index and Appeal, film 106, 19 Aug 1876, pg 3, col 2, system #001483584

Alexander Poythress and Ella May Galveston from Texas married in Christianburg VA, Petersburg Index and Appeal, 19 Sep 1876, film 106, pg 2, col 2, system #001483583 -Note, also listed with Ella May first with system #001454857 (Also note:I printed a copy of this one and sent it earlier to the list)

Subject: Military affairs: Joe Soot Military Band leader Captain Poythress, Petersburg Daily Appeal, film 150, 17 May 1873, pg 3, col 3, system #001471917

Pothress, Glenmore sails from City Point to San Francisco. ( I think I tried to get this once and it was checked out) Republican, Petersburg VA, 30 Mar 1849, pg 3, col 2 (not available on microfilm), system #001462432

Destructive fire in Prince George, dwelling house belonging to Stephen W. Britton, 8 miles from Petersburg and furniture belonging to John P Mason also destroyed. House built by William Poythress. -Daily Courier, Petersburg VA, film 228, 9 Mar 1871, pg 3, col 2, system #001460812

DW Poythress elected collector for delinquent taxes, Petersburg Daily Appeal, film 106, 6 sep 1873, pg 3, col 1 & 2, system #001453508

Bland, Peter Poythress of Prince George died of typhoid pneumonia, The Petersburg Index, film 128, 27 Apr 1869, pg 2, col 4, system #001447406

Joseph Scott Band, Petersburg, professor Poythress leader, -Petersburg Index and Appeal, film 106, 16 Sep 1873, pg 3, col 2, system #001444003

Enquirer obit Index: Anna Maria Poythress, Richmond Enquirer, 13 July 1832, pg 3, col 6, system #001240330

Caroline Poythress died, Charles City County, Richmond Enquirer, 8 Oct 1824, pg 3, col 5, system #001240331 (Note, I do have a copy of this and sent it earlier to the list. This Caroline was listed as the oldest daughter of Captain Thomas E. Poythress of Charles City County. )		09/01/2007 7:30:11
[POYTHRESS] typo !// Re: Charles PoythressSandyLet me re-do the following....
On Sep 1, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Sandy wrote:

> However, it does appear from the records that Francis' grandmother,
> Elizabeth (nee Claiborne) Crawford Anderson has died, and from the
> following it appears that after her death, four slaves belonging to
> Francis' father were transferred to Charles Poythress "on account of"
> his marriage to Ralph Crawford's daughter, Catharine. (NOTE: I
> believe the reference to Charles' wife as being "Elizabeth" in this
> abstract is an error - though don't know if the error is in the
> original or in the abstract. It seems to be well-documented that
> Charles married Ralph's daughter, Catharine, while the daughter
> Elizabeth md Henry Anderson Jr.)


It appears that Francis' grandmother, Elizabeth (nee Claiborne)
Crawford Anderson has died, and from the following it appears that
after her death, four slaves belonging to Francis' GRANDfather (first
husband of Elizabeth nee Claiborne) were transferred....

(I erroneously typed "father")

And just another note... the record SEEMS to be more or less like a
receipt.... showing that, in her capacity as adminstrix of Ralph
Crawford's estate, Elizabeth Anderson held the four slaves which are
now being transferred to Charles Poythress by virtue of his marriage
to Ralph Crawford's daughter.....

Again, here's that record (as previously posted by Michael Tutor):
Recorded in September, 1761, in Chesterfield County, received of Mrs.
Elizabeth Anderson, widow and late administratrix of Ralph Crawford,
deceased , four negroes, Tom, Sue, Betty and Grissel, to Charles
Poythress
on account of his marriage to his daughter, **Elizabeth Crawford, on
April 10, 1739. Signed by Henry Anderson. The witnesses were George
Robertson, Minister, James Mitcheal and Charles Poythress.

My apologies for my earlier error.

-Sandy		09/01/2007 7:31:04
[POYTHRESS] William Poythress and Mary EppesJulie CabittoI found an interesting thing on LVA site. Here's the link below. This is in the VA History Inventory. It's six pages, the Poythress is on pg 2. There's a map of the cemetery and directions to where it is. It looks like it might've been part of the WPA projects. I thought it was pretty nice to type in "Poythress" see a cemetery, where it is, a map of it, and a transcription of it. So here it is (as it was typed) , in case you haven't seen it before.
Love, Julie
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"Here lyes the corpse of Mary Poythress, daughter of Captain William Eppes, & wife to William Porthress Junr, who died the 4th of Oct 1750-age 19 years."
______________________________________________
Here's the link to that. Click on the top line in the gray box that is URL and starts with http://
http://ajax.lva.lib.va.us/F/ND63FMLPE6IIP3GI3QVL5JLLTBNKVP9NCR29F9JH1P6F3B4VMF-02750?func=full-set-set&set_number=007698&set_entry=000008&format=999

Cemetery includes the following family names: Blandy, Booth, Cabaniss, Cryer, Moon, Poythress, and Wesisiger		09/01/2007 7:38:57
Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress d ca 1763 DinwiddieJohn M. PoythressI'd guess not likely this is the one you used, Sandy, but here is
"a" citation from Dinwiddie Clerk's book of 1763 charges that
outright says the two were executors of Charles Poythress. I'm
not 100% sure I'd take this one to the bank but I suppose I
would in lieu of "nothing." And if Charles did die intestate
it's likely the court document appointing the two as executors
went up in smoke during Petersburg siege. Would you share your
citation please? Thanks.

>>>>
Year 1763
Peter Woodleif & Wm Cryer Exors of Charles Poythress, deced
Feb Plea ads Murphy 10 Novr Spa 10 20
May Entg two Orders for Atta ads L. Claiborne 10 Copys 10 ea 40
June Ordr for Attce ads Do 10 Copy 10 20
Augst Spa vs L. Claiborne jr 10
10
Octr Atto ads Stewart otherwise Ellis 5 Bill in Chan 25 ordr
for Time to Ansr 15 45
135

Maynard

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Barbara Neal
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 5:37 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress d ca 1763 Dinwiddie

Hi Sandy & all, I don't know the answers to the questions about Charles
Poythress' parents or children, sorry to say, but would love to learn of
any original documents that reveal the answers. If anyone on our List
can help, please alert all of us, not just Sandy.

Speaking of learning of sources for info, could you please share with us
how you came to learn that Peter Woodlief (Sr) and William Cryer/Cryor
served as executors of Charles' estate after he died circa 1763 in
Dinwiddie Co?

I notice that Dinwiddie County was created out of Prince George (PG)
County, Virginia in 1752, just 11 years before you show Charles' death.
If you haven't already done so, you might want to see what info may be
available on him in that county.

Also Bristol Parish (established 1643) covered the area of Charles City,
South of the James River, which covered the area later comprised of PG
Co, Dinwiddie Co, and Henrico Co, so perhaps Bristol Parish resources
might help.

Again, I'd love to hear the sources for your info about his executors
and any answers to the questions about Charles Poythress' parents and
children.

Good luck,
Barbara


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Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles PoythressJulie CabittoSandy,
Regarding this paragraph:

"The primary record I'm looking at right now is the one which, on the
Woodlief side, is so often shown in conjunction with Peter (Sr.)
Woodlief. It is a deed of sale which *appears* to have been recorded
in Chesterfield County from a Francis Poythress to Thomas Walke.
Here's the abstract that I have. I have not yet had an opportunity to
track down the original record, which of course could prove more
enlightening:"

I think your best bet is to find the original record in the LVA. Have you
had the opportunity to check there? I hear they're indexing more microfilms
and working on making their website more user friendly. I actually asked a
library of Virginia worker to teach me how to navigate around the site, and
that has helped me find so much more!
I only live 45 minutes away from the Library of Virginia, and love to go.
My problem is at the moment, my neurological liveliness makes it unsafe for
me to drive. I have a friend who hopes to take me there very soon. I will
print this email and the others on this subject see what I can find there. I
do hope to go within the month of Sept. I'll let you know for sure when I
go, and if I can track down this record. Or see if it's in a chancery case.
There's also more and more early newspapers getting indexed and I'll see if
they show up in the newer newspaper indexes. I heard the newer indexes are
regularly being updated to the site, but I haven't looked recently. I'll ask
one of the librarians there to help. There is one guy at the library that is
so amazing with his memory. He sees me and remembers which counties I'm
looking for, and makes suggestions of places to search. He knows so many
surnames for Mecklenburg and where to search for them. Don't you just love
librarians like that! You can tell he loves his job.

I also for awhile have really wanted to scan though some Taylor chanceries
to see if I see a Rebecca Taylor that married Lewis Poythress to try to see
who her parents were. Taylor of course is a very common name. But the
Taylor's in the 98th Reg if Mecklenburg VA on the 1850 Census all seem to be
related.
I hope to go to LVA soon.
Love,
Julie Cabitto

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandy"
To: "John M. Poythress"
Cc: "AA Poythress List"
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress



Maynard,

Thanks so very much.

Maynard and all,

The primary record I'm looking at right now is the one which, on the
Woodlief side, is so often shown in conjunction with Peter (Sr.)
Woodlief. It is a deed of sale which *appears* to have been recorded
in Chesterfield County from a Francis Poythress to Thomas Walke.
Here's the abstract that I have. I have not yet had an opportunity to
track down the original record, which of course could prove more
enlightening:

Records of Chesterfield Co
Deed from Francis Poythress, of Prince George County, conveying to
Thomas Walke his interest in certain slaves now in possession of
Hannah, Poythresss, Mary Poythress and Peter WOODLIEF, which slaves
“were devised by my grandfather” to be (after the death of his widow)
divided equally among his children. 23 Jan’y 1765.

Earlier research of which I'm aware has speculated a good bit as to
which "Poythress" grandfather these slaves belonged to, as well as
the identities of this Hannah and Mary Poythress....as well as the
relationship of Peter Woodlief to these Poythresses.

I have a different "take," I think - though not without its own
speculation (hence certainly subject to error!)
I'm hoping that some of you will give it an "open mind' of
consideration, and tell me if you spot reasons why it could *NOT*be
so. We may not yet be able to "prove" whether it *IS* so.... but at
least we might be able to ascertain if it is worthy of remaining on
the table as a possibility.

I believe, in looking at the various records which I've seen
surrounding this Charles Poythress, that this Francis Poythress may
be the son of Charles... and that the "grandfather" referenced in
this 1765 deed of sale may be his *maternal* grandfather, Ralph
Crawforth/Crawford.

I do not venture at this point to guess the identities of the Hannah
or Mary Poythress, for I do not believe my theory is "dependent" upon
who Hannah and Mary are. They *could* be his sisters, or perhaps they
are *aunts.* I don't think this necessarily impacts whether this
Francis could be Charles' son.

I believe that the deed of sale (which appears to have been recorded
in Chesterfield Co) merely shows where the slaves happen to presently
be located - i.e., they're at Peter Woodlief's, Hannah Poythress',
and Mary Poythress' - and it is unclear whether those 3 people (or
any 2 of them) live with or near to one another. They just (for
reasons unstated) have these slaves at the time of this sale. We also
do not know why Francis has chosen to sell his interest. I also do
not know anything about the identity of Thomas Walke.

However, it does appear from the records that Francis' grandmother,
Elizabeth (nee Claiborne) Crawford Anderson has died, and from the
following it appears that after her death, four slaves belonging to
Francis' father were transferred to Charles Poythress "on account of"
his marriage to Ralph Crawford's daughter, Catharine. (NOTE: I
believe the reference to Charles' wife as being "Elizabeth" in this
abstract is an error - though don't know if the error is in the
original or in the abstract. It seems to be well-documented that
Charles married Ralph's daughter, Catharine, while the daughter
Elizabeth md Henry Anderson Jr.)

(this abstract comes from the archives of this Poythress list, as
posted by Michael Tutor):
Recorded in September, 1761, in Chesterfield County, received of Mrs.
Elizabeth Anderson, widow and late administratrix of Ralph Crawford,
deceased , four negroes, Tom, Sue, Betty and Grissel, to Charles
Poythress
on account of his marriage to his daughter, **Elizabeth Crawford, on
April 10, 1739. Signed by Henry Anderson. The witnesses were George
Robertson, Minister, James Mitcheal and Charles Poythress.

I note that this record *also* is recorded in Chesterfield County, as
is the deed of sale of Francis' interest in the slaves of his
grandfather to Thomas Walke.

IF my theory is correct, then this might cause us to look a bit
differently at the available possibilities concerning the parentage
of Charles Poythress, as well as the potential spouses of Peter
Woodlief.

Does the Poythress research show reasons which would *preclude* this
possibility of the deed from this Francis being for *maternal*
grandfather's slaves rather than *paternal*?
And, if not preclude..... are there still reasons that seem to make
it "highly" or "somewhat" UNlikely?

Again, many thanks for your help,

Sandy







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Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles PoythressSandyYes, Maynard. That is the one.

I'm sure there are several published sources for it, my own personal
one being the research of William B. Hall, in his article, "The
Poythress Family: A Study of Francis, Francis, Francis, and Francis,"
William and Mary College Quarterly, 2nd Ser., Vol 14, No. 1, (Jan
1934), pp 77-84.

As evidenced by the date of publication, that research is pretty
dated now, so there may well be more recent research that reveals
more about the Francis of that 1765 deed.

I found Hall's article confusing to some extent as he states the
inability to identify the father of this Francis, yet he DOES seem to
identify the *grandfather* as John Poythress. His basis for this is
not clear to me, since he does not show a reference to John in the
deed abstract that he provides (which is the same one you've posted,
Maynard). Mr. Hall seems very good, aside from this particular
instance (the ONE that I'm interested in, naturally!) - of stating
his reasoning, citing the sources of his conclusions, and also in not
leaping to conclusions...... but if he had some additional basis for
deeming the grandfather whoses slaves are the object of this deed, I
just don't see it.

Within Hall's article, he states:
"It does not seem possible to identify the Francis Poythress who in
1765 deeded to Thomas Walke of Chesterfield his interest in slaves
left by his grandfather (John Poythress) to be divided equally
between his children. The slaves at taht date were in the possession
of Hannah Poythress, Mary Poythress and Peter Woodlief. It must be
noted here that Mary Poythress wasd dead at this date as appraisement
of her esatte was returned in prince Georbe, March 11, 1760, by John
Watts, Administrator. This Francis was a son of either Francis or
John Poythress, sons of John Poythress and Mary Batte."
He goes on to cite the Henrico LWT of John Worsham, dated 9 June
1729, as possibly having bearing - this will naming a grandson
Francis Poythress.

But that's it.

Clearly Hall had some difficulty with this Francis Poythress - and he
also states that the Mary Poythress mentioned in the deed is already
dead - which seems to leave no room for her to be another Mary
Poythress.... possibly, though not necessarily, another child of
Charles?

I have no way of knowing whether Mr. Hall gave any thought to whether
the "grandfather" mentioned in that deed might've been Francis
Poythress' *MAternal* grandfather.

It is quite possible, of course, that this WAS a paternal, i.e. a
Poythress, grandfather. But absent some basis for believing so, and
given the dates, locations of records, and knowledge of Peter
Woodlief serving as executor of Charles Poythress' estate.... it just
seems to me that a plausible and reasonable possibility here may well
be that this was a MAternal grandfather of this Francis, i.e., was
Ralph Crawford, the known father-in-law of Charles Poythress.

Is there something I'm not aware of which precludes this - or makes
it unlikely?

-Sandy


On Sep 1, 2007, at 2:17 PM, John M. Poythress wrote:

> While this is also only an abstract, I think it’s the Chesterfield
> document in question:
>
>
>
> 23 July 1765, p. 424 (deed)
>
> Francis Poythress of Prince George County, for £15, sells to Thomas
> Walke, all my right in
>
> slaves now in possession of Hannah Poythress, Mary Poythress and
> Peter Woodleif, which
>
> were devised by my grandfather (after the death of his wife) to be
> divided among his children.
>
> Poythress acquits all of his right to said Walke.
>
> 23 July 1765 Signed: Francis Poythress
>
> Wit: Peter Warren, Nicholas Sims, Robert Poole, Henry Warren
>
> Recorded 6 Sep 1765
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>		09/01/2007 8:46:51
[POYTHRESS] Charles PoythressJohn M. PoythressWhile this is also only an abstract, I think it’s the Chesterfield document in question:



23 July 1765, p. 424 (deed)

Francis Poythress of Prince George County, for £15, sells to Thomas Walke, all my right in


slaves now in possession of Hannah Poythress, Mary Poythress and Peter Woodleif, which

were devised by my grandfather (after the death of his wife) to be divided among his
children.

Poythress acquits all of his right to said Walke.

23 July 1765 Signed: Francis Poythress

Wit: Peter Warren, Nicholas Sims, Robert Poole, Henry Warren

Recorded 6 Sep 1765



Maynard		09/01/2007 9:17:32
Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles PoythressBarbara NealThanks so much for the citations on Charles Poythress, Sandy & Maynard.

In answer to one of your questions earlier today, Sandy, emphatically
*yes* the term Executor/Executrix legally means the person died testate
-- there was a will -- while the use of the term
Administrator/Administratrix legally means the person died intestate --
not having a will.

As Julie pointed toward, all of these entries regarding the slaves & who
had them & should get them, etc, are *exactly* what led to numerous
Chancery Cases in Virginia. I've checked the online LVA Index of
Chancery Cases,

which is located at:
www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/local/chancery/index.htm

for Dinwiddie Co, for the spelling "Poythress" and get nothing. However
you could certainly check numerous alternate-spellings of the surname &
you could check the other counties where the people you mentioned lived,
too, and perhaps find the year & plaintiff & defendants of one or more
suits regarding the slaves. Ordering copies of the Chancery Cases from
LVA could well be worth the cost.

Different point:
I was quite interested to see Bute Co, NC in your message this morning
captioned "Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress d ca 1763 Dinwiddie" Bute
Co, as I recall, was a large county & had its name changed, but I cannot
readily recall what county name(s) replaced it.

However the NC reference rang a bell for me & I pulled up from our
Poythress List Archives a message I posted 30 Jan 2004 re a 29 May 1751
indenture that I transcribed from a photocopy of the original record
(Granville Co, NC Deed Book B, pp.312-313) between John Hawkins of NC
and Charles Poythress of VA, for land in Granville Co, NC. It was
captioned: "Re: 1751 Deed Granville Co, NC - Corrected"

It sounds, Sandy, like you know how to pull stuff from our Archives, so
I won't re-paste that long transcription here, but I figured you'd be
interested in having it.

For the benefit of others who need a reminder, one can easily search our
Poythress List Archives using the below-listed 2 ways. NOTE that now at
each of these 2 opening screens, you can click on the "Advanced" tab and
there put Poythress in as the only List you want to search, or you can
leave it blank & search tons of RootsWeb subscription-list archives.
Also at that Advanced tab, you can conduct your search for any
particular word/name that appears anywhere in the "Body" of the
messages, or in the message caption, or you can even search for messages
from some particular poster's email address.

Go thru it by month & year at:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/POYTHRESS

Or go thru it searching on any keyword:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop?list=POYTHRESS

Please keep us posted; I'd love to learn more about Charles Poythress.
Barbara		09/01/2007 11:05:26
[POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress & Chancery Cases in VABarbara NealSorry, but I forgot to say the important thing about possibly finding a
Chancery Case & getting its copies:

As exhibits incorporated into the complaints from the plaintiffs, one
usually will find a transcription of any Will that is being contested.

Barbara



09/01/2007 11:45:57
Re: [POYTHRESS] Virginia Poythress newspaper articles- index listingBarbara NealJulie -

Thanks so much for these news index listings from LVA. I would greatly
appreciate getting the image scans of each of them whenever you have
those available.

And could you please give everyone a brief "recipe" on how to find that
part of LVA's website?

Thanks,
Barbara



09/02/2007 4:41:59
Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress & Chancery Cases in VASandyHi Julie,

First, thank you so much for your suggestions regarding chancery
records. This is a very good lead for me to follow-up on.

I will take a stab at a couple of things that might help you with
your migration charting.....

> Did I see something about Charles Poythress in Chesterfield? That
> would be
> very surprising to me, because that's not an area I would expect
> them to be
> that far back.
> . Sandy, did you say you had a record
> in Chesterfield in the 1760's?

Yes and no, Julie. The records are in Chesterfield, but I don't think
Charles or this Francis Poythress were residents of there. In fact
the 1765 deed of sale for the slaves, states "Francis Poythress of
Prince George County" to Thomas Walke.
I am not 100% positive about this, but I think the reason this
record is found in Chesterfield relates to the estate of Ralph
Crawford and/or the location of Ralph's widow, Elizabeth (nee
Claibornd) Crawford Anderson when *she* died.
Ralph and Elizabeth were the parents-in-law of Charles Poythress,
whom I also have no evidence of having resided in Chesterfield. My
*theory* (and it's only that at this point), is that this Francis was
the son of Charles.... hence Ralph Crawford would have been his
grandfather.

So I don't really think any of these particular records gives cause
to add Chesterfield to your list of known places where Poythresses
lived. (I'm not saying they didn't - just that these records don't
seem to be about the Poythresses per se.) And the slave sale deed
does say Francis was "of Prince George" (at least at that time.)

I will say that I think at least several of the Poythresses, like
several of the Woodliefs, are sometimes difficult to "pin down"
because at times one individual may simultaneously hold multiple
properties in more than one county, indeed even more than one state.
And of course both the Woodliefs and the Poythresses appear to have
been severely "challenged" when it came to imagination in the baby-
naming department. All of which makes it exceeding difficult to sort
them out.

Records found for a "Francis Poythress" or a "John Woodlief" in
different locations during the same timeframe is not necessarily
indicative of two different Poythresses OR two different Woodliefs.
Likewise, a patent for property in a different location may represent
an "expansion," rather than a "migration."

> If so, I guess that gives me one more area to
> look into. I've never looked for VA Poythress in Chesterfield,
> because I
> didn't think they ever went that far west in that part of VA.

Julie, I'm really not a Poythress researcher, and so can't comment
specifically on this, and don't know if this would apply to your
particular line of Poythresses. However, even though this particular
record seems to be more related to the location of Ralph Crawford (or
of his estate records) than to the location of Francis or Charles
Poythress, it would not *surprise* me to find records in Chesterfield
County related to the Poythresses of Prince George and Dinwiddie, or
to the Woodliefs of those locations. I say this mostly because
Chesterfield Co. sits adjacent to both Prince George & Dinwiddie, but
perhaps more importantly, it sits between Richmond and Petersburg,
both of which were major centers for government and business
activities. I don't think I have any evidence of Woodliefs who held
property in Chesterfield, and I don't know whether any Poythresses
did, but I would imagine there were individual Woodliefs and
Poythresses who may have had government and/or business related
dealings in Chesterfield.

Thanks again for your help, especially your suggestion regarding the
chancery records.

All the best,

Sandy		09/02/2007 5:01:07
Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles PoythressSandyBarbara,

Thanks for your help with executors/administrators. I've also just
heard from a friend of mine who's published a great many books of
transcriptions of wills and court records and he certainly agrees.
However, he also pointed out an exception to me that I hadn't thought
of and so wanted to share.
Here it is:

Let's say I left a will naming an executor/executrix and by the time
the will is probated, the named executor/executrix is deceased. Then
the court would probably appoint someone to administer the estate.
-----

*Possibly* this could be the case with Elizabeth (nee Claiborne)
Crawford Anderson. So it is feasible that Ralph Crawford left a will,
even though Elizabeth is termed "adminstratrix" in this particular
record many years later.
Mind you, that's sheer speculation on my part at this point. I'm just
pointing out the possibility exists and the term "administratrix" in
this instance does not seem to necessarily *preclude* Ralph Crawford
having left a will.

-Sandy

On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:05 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> In answer to one of your questions earlier today, Sandy, emphatically
> *yes* the term Executor/Executrix legally means the person died
> testate
> -- there was a will -- while the use of the term
> Administrator/Administratrix legally means the person died
> intestate --
> not having a will.		09/02/2007 5:08:05
Re: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress and Mary EppesSandyJulie,

Thank you so much for posting this link to information on Bothwell
cemetery.
I wonder if these graves may be specifically connected to the very
group of people I've been studying?

Of interest is the location, the date, as well as the names - which
combined seem almost too "coincidental".

This cemetery, per the description and the accompanying LVA online
Dinwiddie map (which is a *fantastic* map!), is found not far to the
northeast of the area of Butterwood Swamp/Creek where both Peter
Woodlief (and earlier his father), as well as Charles Poythress, had
land patents.

The WPA inventory gives the "date" of the cemetery as 1750
Location/directions as:
2 miles south of Ford, VA, on Route #613; thence west 1 mile on
private road, in the midst of woods.
(It appears these were directions as of 1936).
At the time of the inventory the cemetery is described as "very well
kept. Trees almost surround the plot, while periwinkle covers the
spacious graveyard. Vaults or stones mark each grave."

In addition to the inscription you cite for Mary Poythress, d/o Capt
Wm Eppes, there is are several others.
Of great interest to me are the ones concerning the Cryers -
"In memory of Robert Cryer Booth. He was born in the County of
Dinwiddie the 3 of November 1790. and after having resided at this
place during many years of his life
He died the 13 of November 1850.
He was brave, generous, and good.
[etc] - it does not state who erected this marker or when.

And then.... there is another of great interest:
"Here lies the Mortal remains
of
John, William & Robert Cryer
three brothers who were born in
the County of Prince George some
time before the American Revolution
This is testimonial of affection and
gratitude is placed to their memory
by their nephew Robert Cryer Booth."

I wonder if this William Cryer is the same William Cryer who, along
with Peter Woodlief, served as executor of Charles Poythress' estate?

Is there an already-known familial relationship between Charles
Poythress and William Cryer?

-Sandy


On Sep 2, 2007, at 12:38 AM, Julie Cabitto wrote:

> I found an interesting thing on LVA site. Here's the link below.
> This is in the VA History Inventory. It's six pages, the Poythress
> is on pg 2. There's a map of the cemetery and directions to where
> it is. It looks like it might've been part of the WPA projects. I
> thought it was pretty nice to type in "Poythress" see a cemetery,
> where it is, a map of it, and a transcription of it. So here it is
> (as it was typed) , in case you haven't seen it before.
> Love, Julie
> ______________________________________________
> "Here lyes the corpse of Mary Poythress, daughter of Captain
> William Eppes, & wife to William Porthress Junr, who died the 4th
> of Oct 1750-age 19 years."		09/02/2007 6:20:17
Re: [POYTHRESS] a William Poythress and wife Julia___PatJulie, I am still trying to determine who the father of my William Poythress
is. This is the William Poythress that married Julia (possibly surname
Brewer) and lived in Greensville county in 1850 and 1860. He is not with
wife Julia in the 1870 census so suspect he was a casualty of the Civil War.
William Poythress appears in the 1850 Greensville co VA Census as:

William Portress, 1850, Greensville Co., Va., HH 181, p. 383,
September 5.
( William Poythress M 23 born VA laborer b. abt.
1827 (1st appearance)
Julia Poythress F 18 born VA b. abt. 1832

>From securing their daughter Martha's 1880 marriage certificate, I know the
actual surname was Poythress, not Portress, as listed in the 1850 census.

The only other HH with Poythress surname in the 1850 Greensville
Co census is:
L. Y. Poythress, 1850, Greensville Co., Va., HH 340, 0.
392, September 20.
Lewis Y. Poythress M 37 born VA overseer b. abt.
1819 (s. of Lewis & Rebecca)

In any event, I would be interested in a Poythress Cemetery- location and
scanned photos if you obtain therm. Pat Autry

----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Cabitto"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 1:38 AM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress and Mary Eppes


>I found an interesting thing on LVA site. Here's the link below. This is in
>the VA History Inventory. It's six pages, the Poythress is on pg 2. There's
>a map of the cemetery and directions to where it is. It looks like it
>might've been part of the WPA projects. I thought it was pretty nice to
>type in "Poythress" see a cemetery, where it is, a map of it, and a
>transcription of it. So here it is (as it was typed) , in case you haven't
>seen it before.
> Love, Julie
> ______________________________________________
> "Here lyes the corpse of Mary Poythress, daughter of Captain William
> Eppes, & wife to William Porthress Junr, who died the 4th of Oct 1750-age
> 19 years."
> ______________________________________________
> Here's the link to that. Click on the top line in the gray box that is URL
> and starts with http://
> http://ajax.lva.lib.va.us/F/ND63FMLPE6IIP3GI3QVL5JLLTBNKVP9NCR29F9JH1P6F3B4VMF-02750?func=full-set-set&set_number=007698&set_entry=000008&format=999
>
> Cemetery includes the following family names: Blandy, Booth, Cabaniss,
> Cryer, Moon, Poythress, and Wesisiger
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>		09/02/2007 6:21:30
Re: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress and Mary EppesSandyYes, Julie - I got to the images on the server and downloaded them
all - as well as the map!

Thanks so much.

-Sandy


On Sep 2, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Julie Cabitto wrote:

> I'll take digitals of the whole cemetery for you then.
> Were you able to click on the link I provided and see the 6 pages
> of the
> cemetery transcription?
> If not, let me know, and I can attach them off the list, since the
> list
> can't take attachments.
> Love,
> Julie		09/02/2007 8:17:10
Re: [POYTHRESS] Virginia Poythress newspaper articles- index listingSandyOn Sep 2, 2007, at 11:41 AM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> And could you please give everyone a brief "recipe" on how to find
> that
> part of LVA's website?

Barbara,

I know this was addressed to Julie, but thought I'd just let you know
this method that I wound up using in case it helps.
(I have great difficulty sometimes in navigating the LVA site for
some reason.)

There may well be better/ easier ways to do this, but here's how I do
it....

If you go to LVAs "What We Have" page:
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/

and click on the link labeled "LVA Catalogs"
it will take you to a "Basic Search" page.
ON that page, look up top on the right (in an orange rectangular box)
and you will see: "Images Indexes Etc" - CLICK on that.
This takes you to a page that says: "Multi-Catalog Search"

On this page you can tick any of a number of boxes for various
catalogs, and search that (or those) specific catalog(s).

The Bothwell Cemetery which I found of interest is in the catalog
labeled "Virginia Historical Inventory"
(I simply ticked that catalog and entered "Poythress" in the
search..... it came back with a list of 8 hits, with this one being
the 8th:
Powell, Bettie B. survey report, Bothwell Cemetery : 1936 Apr. 15 / 1936

By clicking on the "8", it brought up the digital file which includes
6 pages in the report, plus a great navigable map of Dinwiddie County.
You can zoom or pull back on the map, and you can save your views to
your hard drive - very handy!

That map, by the way, is also keyed for several other types of
Dinwiddie database categories including "dwellings," "taverns,"
"historic sites," "schools" etc.

As I say, there may well be a quicker/easier way to get to this, but
this one does work! 🙂

-Sandy		09/02/2007 8:37:48
Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress & Chancery Cases in VAJulie CabittoThanks so much for all the explanations here. It helped me understand things
much better. I'm not sure why, but I hadn't thought about one person owning
land in several counties. But that is a good think to remember when names
get tricky. Thanks for the explanations,
Julie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandy"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress & Chancery Cases in VA


> Hi Julie,
>
> First, thank you so much for your suggestions regarding chancery
> records. This is a very good lead for me to follow-up on.
>
> I will take a stab at a couple of things that might help you with
> your migration charting.....
>
>> Did I see something about Charles Poythress in Chesterfield? That
>> would be
>> very surprising to me, because that's not an area I would expect
>> them to be
>> that far back.
>> . Sandy, did you say you had a record
>> in Chesterfield in the 1760's?
>
> Yes and no, Julie. The records are in Chesterfield, but I don't think
> Charles or this Francis Poythress were residents of there. In fact
> the 1765 deed of sale for the slaves, states "Francis Poythress of
> Prince George County" to Thomas Walke.
> I am not 100% positive about this, but I think the reason this
> record is found in Chesterfield relates to the estate of Ralph
> Crawford and/or the location of Ralph's widow, Elizabeth (nee
> Claibornd) Crawford Anderson when *she* died.
> Ralph and Elizabeth were the parents-in-law of Charles Poythress,
> whom I also have no evidence of having resided in Chesterfield. My
> *theory* (and it's only that at this point), is that this Francis was
> the son of Charles.... hence Ralph Crawford would have been his
> grandfather.
>
> So I don't really think any of these particular records gives cause
> to add Chesterfield to your list of known places where Poythresses
> lived. (I'm not saying they didn't - just that these records don't
> seem to be about the Poythresses per se.) And the slave sale deed
> does say Francis was "of Prince George" (at least at that time.)
>
> I will say that I think at least several of the Poythresses, like
> several of the Woodliefs, are sometimes difficult to "pin down"
> because at times one individual may simultaneously hold multiple
> properties in more than one county, indeed even more than one state.
> And of course both the Woodliefs and the Poythresses appear to have
> been severely "challenged" when it came to imagination in the baby-
> naming department. All of which makes it exceeding difficult to sort
> them out.
>
> Records found for a "Francis Poythress" or a "John Woodlief" in
> different locations during the same timeframe is not necessarily
> indicative of two different Poythresses OR two different Woodliefs.
> Likewise, a patent for property in a different location may represent
> an "expansion," rather than a "migration."
>
>> If so, I guess that gives me one more area to
>> look into. I've never looked for VA Poythress in Chesterfield,
>> because I
>> didn't think they ever went that far west in that part of VA.
>
> Julie, I'm really not a Poythress researcher, and so can't comment
> specifically on this, and don't know if this would apply to your
> particular line of Poythresses. However, even though this particular
> record seems to be more related to the location of Ralph Crawford (or
> of his estate records) than to the location of Francis or Charles
> Poythress, it would not *surprise* me to find records in Chesterfield
> County related to the Poythresses of Prince George and Dinwiddie, or
> to the Woodliefs of those locations. I say this mostly because
> Chesterfield Co. sits adjacent to both Prince George & Dinwiddie, but
> perhaps more importantly, it sits between Richmond and Petersburg,
> both of which were major centers for government and business
> activities. I don't think I have any evidence of Woodliefs who held
> property in Chesterfield, and I don't know whether any Poythresses
> did, but I would imagine there were individual Woodliefs and
> Poythresses who may have had government and/or business related
> dealings in Chesterfield.
>
> Thanks again for your help, especially your suggestion regarding the
> chancery records.
>
> All the best,
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
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> quotes in the subject and the body of the message		09/02/2007 8:58:21
Re: [POYTHRESS] a William Poythress and wife Julia___Julie CabittoI would definitely like to go visit this cemetery, now that I know it
exists. When I get a picture, I'll post it. Thanks for the background info
on who it probably is.
Love, Julie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] a William Poythress and wife Julia___


> Julie, I am still trying to determine who the father of my William
> Poythress
> is. This is the William Poythress that married Julia (possibly surname
> Brewer) and lived in Greensville county in 1850 and 1860. He is not with
> wife Julia in the 1870 census so suspect he was a casualty of the Civil
> War.
> William Poythress appears in the 1850 Greensville co VA Census as:
>
> William Portress, 1850, Greensville Co., Va., HH 181, p. 383,
> September 5.
> ( William Poythress M 23 born VA laborer b. abt.
> 1827 (1st appearance)
> Julia Poythress F 18 born VA b. abt. 1832
>
>>From securing their daughter Martha's 1880 marriage certificate, I know
>>the
> actual surname was Poythress, not Portress, as listed in the 1850 census.
>
> The only other HH with Poythress surname in the 1850
> Greensville
> Co census is:
> L. Y. Poythress, 1850, Greensville Co., Va., HH 340, 0.
> 392, September 20.
> Lewis Y. Poythress M 37 born VA overseer b. abt.
> 1819 (s. of Lewis & Rebecca)
>
> In any event, I would be interested in a Poythress Cemetery- location and
> scanned photos if you obtain therm. Pat Autry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 1:38 AM
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress and Mary Eppes
>
>
>>I found an interesting thing on LVA site. Here's the link below. This is
>>in
>>the VA History Inventory. It's six pages, the Poythress is on pg 2.
>>There's
>>a map of the cemetery and directions to where it is. It looks like it
>>might've been part of the WPA projects. I thought it was pretty nice to
>>type in "Poythress" see a cemetery, where it is, a map of it, and a
>>transcription of it. So here it is (as it was typed) , in case you haven't
>>seen it before.
>> Love, Julie
>> ______________________________________________
>> "Here lyes the corpse of Mary Poythress, daughter of Captain William
>> Eppes, & wife to William Porthress Junr, who died the 4th of Oct 1750-age
>> 19 years."
>> ______________________________________________
>> Here's the link to that. Click on the top line in the gray box that is
>> URL
>> and starts with http://
>> http://ajax.lva.lib.va.us/F/ND63FMLPE6IIP3GI3QVL5JLLTBNKVP9NCR29F9JH1P6F3B4VMF-02750?func=full-set-set&set_number=007698&set_entry=000008&format=999
>>
>> Cemetery includes the following family names: Blandy, Booth, Cabaniss,
>> Cryer, Moon, Poythress, and Wesisiger
>>
>> -------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
>> POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> quotes in the subject and the body of the message		09/02/2007 9:00:40
Re: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress and Mary EppesJulie CabittoI'll take digitals of the whole cemetery for you then.
Were you able to click on the link I provided and see the 6 pages of the
cemetery transcription?
If not, let me know, and I can attach them off the list, since the list
can't take attachments.
Love,
Julie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandy"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress and Mary Eppes


> Julie,
>
> Thank you so much for posting this link to information on Bothwell
> cemetery.
> I wonder if these graves may be specifically connected to the very
> group of people I've been studying?
>
> Of interest is the location, the date, as well as the names - which
> combined seem almost too "coincidental".
>
> This cemetery, per the description and the accompanying LVA online
> Dinwiddie map (which is a *fantastic* map!), is found not far to the
> northeast of the area of Butterwood Swamp/Creek where both Peter
> Woodlief (and earlier his father), as well as Charles Poythress, had
> land patents.
>
> The WPA inventory gives the "date" of the cemetery as 1750
> Location/directions as:
> 2 miles south of Ford, VA, on Route #613; thence west 1 mile on
> private road, in the midst of woods.
> (It appears these were directions as of 1936).
> At the time of the inventory the cemetery is described as "very well
> kept. Trees almost surround the plot, while periwinkle covers the
> spacious graveyard. Vaults or stones mark each grave."
>
> In addition to the inscription you cite for Mary Poythress, d/o Capt
> Wm Eppes, there is are several others.
> Of great interest to me are the ones concerning the Cryers -
> "In memory of Robert Cryer Booth. He was born in the County of
> Dinwiddie the 3 of November 1790. and after having resided at this
> place during many years of his life
> He died the 13 of November 1850.
> He was brave, generous, and good.
> [etc] - it does not state who erected this marker or when.
>
> And then.... there is another of great interest:
> "Here lies the Mortal remains
> of
> John, William & Robert Cryer
> three brothers who were born in
> the County of Prince George some
> time before the American Revolution
> This is testimonial of affection and
> gratitude is placed to their memory
> by their nephew Robert Cryer Booth."
>
> I wonder if this William Cryer is the same William Cryer who, along
> with Peter Woodlief, served as executor of Charles Poythress' estate?
>
> Is there an already-known familial relationship between Charles
> Poythress and William Cryer?
>
> -Sandy
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2007, at 12:38 AM, Julie Cabitto wrote:
>
>> I found an interesting thing on LVA site. Here's the link below.
>> This is in the VA History Inventory. It's six pages, the Poythress
>> is on pg 2. There's a map of the cemetery and directions to where
>> it is. It looks like it might've been part of the WPA projects. I
>> thought it was pretty nice to type in "Poythress" see a cemetery,
>> where it is, a map of it, and a transcription of it. So here it is
>> (as it was typed) , in case you haven't seen it before.
>> Love, Julie
>> ______________________________________________
>> "Here lyes the corpse of Mary Poythress, daughter of Captain
>> William Eppes, & wife to William Porthress Junr, who died the 4th
>> of Oct 1750-age 19 years."
>
>
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> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
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> quotes in the subject and the body of the message		09/02/2007 9:03:39
[POYTHRESS] tricks to getting the most from LVA website 🙂Julie CabittoThe recipe is tricky, so it'll be hard to be brief without confusing
everyone. I'll try to post the links here for simplicity. I had a librarian
at LVA spend a half hour teaching me how to use the site 🙂
I had to go through about 5 screens to get to what I call the "cool search
engine screen". . There are several pages that just do books, or just do
military. This page does all of that and much more, with one search. But
there is a separate search page for early wills and chancery. There are
separate search pages for many things. These are the 3 main multisearch
pages. 1) Cool search engine screen, 2) chancery, 3) wills (from the site
index).
I will tell you how to navigate through the site. If your head spins, I'll
also just give the links so you can go straight there.
__________________________________________
Here's the walk through, and hope you can follow it. This is the "what we
have page" at LVA:
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/

On this page, you click on "books, journals..."

Then on that page you click on "images, indexes etc". This is located in the
orange rectangle, in the upper right corner of the screen.

Now you are on the "cool search engine screen". If you want to skip going
through the site, here's a link directly to this page:
http://ajax.lva.lib.va.us/F/6A3AK8EA3PF7D9V1YGN6FP33JYB317GMPUS32RG1V21FYLAKKV-00013?func=file&file_name=find-m-lva01
_________________________________________
On this "cool search screen" here's what you do. There are 3 major columns.
In the middle column, click the top box of the column. It says "digitized
military records, includes all below". The 3rd column, all the way to the
right, you also click the top box, and it includes everything in the column
below. The first column, the far left, you have to click each box all the
way down. I highly recommend selecting every box on the screen, (full first
column and just the top box for column 2 & 3) because it often leads to
surprise records you haven't been able to find yet.
In the search box, I highly recommend just typing the surname only. And of
course try various surname variations. If you type "Peter Poythress" you may
get lots of Peter's and lots of Poythress, but not many "Peter Poythress" .
Even in quotations it doesn't work. If you type "Poythress" only, the
numbers to sift through are much smaller. It's just the way the search
engine seems to be set up.

These are some of the things you will see in the search results for military
records. There are Virginia WWI questionnaires which are really a treasure.
Any one that survived WWI in the state of VA was interviewed. They were
asked what ship they were on, how many times they were gassed, which towns
they served in, who some of the guys were in the unit. If married to who,
and when married, and sometimes names of children. Color eyes, weight,
height. What religion. What did you learn from the war? What were your
feelings about the war? What was your profession before the war? After?
...It's 4-6 pages. Written in the man's own handwriting and signed by him.
These images are scanned and in Tiff files. You can download them right off
the site, and have a scanned copy of the full record.
Also there are listings of units from Civil War. Example, they'll say _____
was with company... and you can look on microfilm to see them on the roster.
That isn't downloadable. There's War of 1812 Muster rolls the same way.
There is also Confederate Pension applications, scanned in Tiff files that
you can download.

There's a man with the name of Henley that years ago started indexing vital
records, of very early microfilms of old newspapers. Pre-civil war days.
That's how I got all the ones I posted to the list. They all showed up under
Henley indexes.

There's also WPA reports that were done on houses and people that are
downloadable in Tiff format. The Poythress cemetery listing I posted was
part of a WPA report. -It was listed under VA historical inventory search
results I think.

So all these things and much more are available just by typing in a surname
on this search page and clicking the boxes.
_________________________________________________________
Now, here's how to get to early wills and chancery. Also, how to see what is
available for each county.
I was told to use the site index for most searches.
Here's the LVA opening page link:
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/index.htm
On this page, you click on "site index". It's in the yellow vertical column,
near the big words "what we do".
Now you see an alphabet. If you want to go to wills, you click on "w", then
on the next page click on "wills"
If you want "chancery" you click on "c", then the next page select
"chancery".
If you want to know what microfilms are available in Dinwiddie county, you
lick "D" then on the "D" page click on "Dinwiddie County".

If you wish to just go straight to the search page, here's the links
directly there:
Here's a direct link to Wills/Administrations search engine page:
http://ajax.lva.lib.va.us/F/?func=file&file_name=find-b-clas08&local_base=CLAS08
___________________________________________
Here is a direct link to the chancery page:
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/ChanceryWebQ/ChanceryBasicQuery.asp#basicdatastart

On this chancery page, try these multiple searches. I recommend surname
only. Here the people were usually indexed by surname only. Let's make up an
example and say you're looking for Lewis Poythress. There's a possibility
Lewis was a plaintiff. Another possibility he was a defendant. There's also
an "other" category. This means: He could be a witness. He could have born
testimony. He could be referenced that the land in chancery among dispute
borders Lewis land. Then you get a great hint where he lived. So you need to
choose the county, because chanceries were done by county. Then enter
Poythress under each of the categories, defendant, plaintiff and other. Just
doing "other", doesn't always pull the person off the defendant list etc.
_____________________________________________________
I hope these things help you navigate around the site a little better and
help you find some treasures.
Let me know if you need help trying to get to a specific page or are stuck
trying to figure out the search engine. I've fortunately had a couple years
experience searching and navigating this site. Let me know if you have any
questions.
Happy hunting,
Love, Julie





----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Neal"
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Virginia Poythress newspaper articles- index
listing


> Julie -
>
> Thanks so much for these news index listings from LVA. I would greatly
> appreciate getting the image scans of each of them whenever you have
> those available.
>
> And could you please give everyone a brief "recipe" on how to find that
> part of LVA's website?
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress and Mary EppesJulie CabittoGreat! Glad it worked for you.
Love, Julie

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> Yes, Julie - I got to the images on the server and downloaded them
> all - as well as the map!
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> -Sandy
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Julie Cabitto wrote:
>
>> I'll take digitals of the whole cemetery for you then.
>> Were you able to click on the link I provided and see the 6 pages
>> of the
>> cemetery transcription?
>> If not, let me know, and I can attach them off the list, since the
>> list
>> can't take attachments.
>> Love,
>> Julie
>
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> quotes in the subject and the body of the message		09/02/2007 9:56:53
Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress estate papers in NC circa 1761Barbara NealGreat, Sandy! Will look forward to what you learn.
Barbara

Sandy wrote:
> Fantastic!
> Thanks so much for checking Dr. White's index, Barbara. I don't have
> her whole index, and didn't copy the P's, not having other P surnames
> to check on at that time.
>
> All of Granville's estate records have been filmed, and the films are
> available both through LDS centers as well as through the State
> Library of NC on ILL (though I believe the ILL for these *may* only
> extend to libraries within NC). Alternately, the film likely can be
> purchased through NC Archives, which nowadays isn't much more than
> borrowing through the LDS's centers.
>
> I don't think we have a precise date on Charles Poythress of
> Dinwiddie's death, rather know that he was deceased *by* 1763. In
> other words, I'm not aware of a reason that precludes this estate
> file being his. And being aware of no other Charles Poythress in the
> area in this timeframe, my strong hunch is this is one-and-the-same.
> But we shall see what the estate file reveals.
> My experience with Granville's estate files has been quite a mixed
> bag. I have some which contain nothing more than a single inventory.
> Others have had multiple folders covering decades. Most have been
> very much in-between such extremes, however.
>
> In any case, I'll follow-up - and will "report back" with what I find.
>
> Again, many, many thanks!
>
> -Sandy
>
>
> On Sep 3, 2007, at 3:49 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:
>
>
>>"Index of Loose Estate Papers, Granville County, North Carolina, 1746
>>thru 1919, C.R.044.508.1 thru .200, Stored in the NC State Archives,
>>Raleigh, NC" (compiled 1999 by Barnetta McGhee White, Ph.D; 415
>>Obie Dr;
>>Durham, NC 27713) listed one Poythress: Charles Poythress, whose
>>folder
>>was dated in 1761, and whose loose estate folder was found in box
>>145 of
>>the C.R.# at Raleigh cited in the title of her book. Thanks to this
>>index listing, copies of the entire folder could be examined or
>>ordered
>>from NC State Archives.
>>
>>Perhaps if Charles Poythress who had executors in Dinwiddie Co, VA
>>circa
>>1763, had actually died in 1761, this could be the same man. Or could
>>certainly be a relative of his, if not identical.
>>
>>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress estate papers in NC circa 1761SandyFantastic!
Thanks so much for checking Dr. White's index, Barbara. I don't have
her whole index, and didn't copy the P's, not having other P surnames
to check on at that time.

All of Granville's estate records have been filmed, and the films are
available both through LDS centers as well as through the State
Library of NC on ILL (though I believe the ILL for these *may* only
extend to libraries within NC). Alternately, the film likely can be
purchased through NC Archives, which nowadays isn't much more than
borrowing through the LDS's centers.

I don't think we have a precise date on Charles Poythress of
Dinwiddie's death, rather know that he was deceased *by* 1763. In
other words, I'm not aware of a reason that precludes this estate
file being his. And being aware of no other Charles Poythress in the
area in this timeframe, my strong hunch is this is one-and-the-same.
But we shall see what the estate file reveals.
My experience with Granville's estate files has been quite a mixed
bag. I have some which contain nothing more than a single inventory.
Others have had multiple folders covering decades. Most have been
very much in-between such extremes, however.

In any case, I'll follow-up - and will "report back" with what I find.

Again, many, many thanks!

-Sandy


On Sep 3, 2007, at 3:49 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> "Index of Loose Estate Papers, Granville County, North Carolina, 1746
> thru 1919, C.R.044.508.1 thru .200, Stored in the NC State Archives,
> Raleigh, NC" (compiled 1999 by Barnetta McGhee White, Ph.D; 415
> Obie Dr;
> Durham, NC 27713) listed one Poythress: Charles Poythress, whose
> folder
> was dated in 1761, and whose loose estate folder was found in box
> 145 of
> the C.R.# at Raleigh cited in the title of her book. Thanks to this
> index listing, copies of the entire folder could be examined or
> ordered
> from NC State Archives.
>
> Perhaps if Charles Poythress who had executors in Dinwiddie Co, VA
> circa
> 1763, had actually died in 1761, this could be the same man. Or could
> certainly be a relative of his, if not identical.
>
>
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> in the subject and the body of the message		09/03/2007 3:50:43
Re: [POYTHRESS] LVA websiteBarbara NealSandy & Julie -

Thanks SO much for the help with navigating the LVA website for some of
the neat things y'all have found. When I was in Richmond in May for the
NGS Conference, one of the LVA archivists said they hope to be rolling
out an easier-to-navigate website sometime in the coming year, because
even the archivists realize it's not currently very intuitive.

Barbara



09/03/2007 8:03:20
[POYTHRESS] Charles Poythress estate papers in NC circa 1761Barbara Neal"Index of Loose Estate Papers, Granville County, North Carolina, 1746
thru 1919, C.R.044.508.1 thru .200, Stored in the NC State Archives,
Raleigh, NC" (compiled 1999 by Barnetta McGhee White, Ph.D; 415 Obie Dr;
Durham, NC 27713) listed one Poythress: Charles Poythress, whose folder
was dated in 1761, and whose loose estate folder was found in box 145 of
the C.R.# at Raleigh cited in the title of her book. Thanks to this
index listing, copies of the entire folder could be examined or ordered
from NC State Archives.

Perhaps if Charles Poythress who had executors in Dinwiddie Co, VA circa
1763, had actually died in 1761, this could be the same man. Or could
certainly be a relative of his, if not identical.		09/03/2007 8:49:41
Re: [POYTHRESS] LVA websiteJohn M. Poythress"it's not currently very intuitive" shows your vast capacity for
understatement, Barbara.

Maynard





09/04/2007 9:58:13
Re: [POYTHRESS] Nell TimsJulie CabittoJudy,
I'm late, but just wanted to say sorry for the loss, and hope the family is
doing as well as possible. I'm personally so grateful Al and the Tims family
efforts started this site!
Love,
Julie

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> Hi All,
> Just wanted to let ya'll know that my cousin Nell Tims has died in Fl. She
> is the mother of Al Tims who started this site for us.
> Judy
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Nell TimsThanks Julie.
You have been such a great help to me on sending me articles. I haven't worked on this much lately as my Aunt died & my husbands sister, I have been traveling a lot also, but I expect to start again with full force this fall & winter.
Judy
>
> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> Date: 2007/09/05 Wed AM 08:59:06 EST
> To:
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Nell Tims
>
>
> Judy,
> I'm late, but just wanted to say sorry for the loss, and hope the family is
> doing as well as possible. I'm personally so grateful Al and the Tims family
> efforts started this site!
> Love,
> Julie
>
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>		09/10/2007 6:39:33
[POYTHRESS] FTM 2008John M. PoythressAnyone thinking about buying the newest version of this popular program might want to

check vameckle@rootsweb.com (digest vol. 2, issue 15). There is a fairly long and

harsh review posted.



Maynard		09/11/2007 8:32:48
[POYTHRESS] Foxhall Poythress farm in 1948 was 1-day demonstration projectBarbara NealWhen I was in Richmond in May for the NGS Conference, I typed up some
notes in my genie program about a fascinating one-day massive farm
renovation project done back in March 1948, on the Foxhall Poythress
family farm in Mecklenburg County, VA, from newspaper articles that a
distant relative showed me. Today, I finally remembered that I haven't
yet shared these notes with the List.

Enjoy,
Barbara

Notes from the Richmond Times-Dispatch newspaper articles published
between March 21-31, 1948 in Richmond, Virginia:

Soil Conservation Demonstration To Span Five Years of Work in One Day

(Story of the March 1948 renovation of the Foxhall Poythress family's
farm. Info in the articles included the following:)

- the farm was located on State Route 619, about 7.5 miles South of
LaCrosse, VA and about 10 miles S.E. of South Hill, VA near the NC
stateline;

- by 1948 that land had been farmed for 250 years; Foxhall Sr and his
wife Annie M Poythress purchased the 105-acre farm in 1911, and there
reared 3 daughters and 6 sons, including Foxhall Jr and two others who
were World War II veterans;

- neighbors had told Mrs Poythress after they purchased it, that the
family would starve because it was such a poor farm;

- after Foxhall Sr died in 1932, mother and sons farmed it based on
shares that each held.

- Selection of their farm in 1948 for the Cavalcade of Conservation
resulted from selection by US Dept of Agriculture officials, the
Southside Soil Conservation District and other agricultural agencies,
who first considered nine farms for a public demonstration of modern
soil uses, reparation of damage or erosion and wrongful soil use.

- Selection of the Poythress farm was made because of its rundown
condition, its terrain, and because thousands would be able to watch the
demonstration event from a dozen vantage points without interfering with
the work.

- The work was performed on one day, doing work that would take a
farmer about five years to do alone.

- The nearly 300 volunteers doing the needed labor that day included
over 200 veterans who were taking on-the-job training as members of
seven classes in Mecklenburg and Lunenburg Counties, 60+ vocational
agriculture students from Mecklenburg high schools, plus untold numbers
of friends and neighboring farmers.

- Preparatory work before the one-day demonstration included
bulldozers & caterpillars filling gullies, and the modest farmhouse
receiving a first coat of paint donated by a local paint firm.

- The one-day demonstratiom project had originally been scheduled for
March 23, but due to heavy rain early that day, it was postponed to
Wednesday March 31.

- Used in working on the one long dawn-to-dark day demonstration were
20 tractors & accompanying equipment; several drills, lime spreaders,
and bulldozers; 500 posts & more than 20 rolls of fencing; 120 tons of
lime; 20 tons of fertilizer; 1,000 lbs of grass & legume seeds.

- The day's work included
--- contouring 23 acres;
--- creating 22 acres of permanent pasture by preparing, liming,
fertilizing, seeding, & contour fencing it;
--- thinning 3 acres of woodland;
--- planting trees to re-forest 3 other acres;
--- preparing 30 acres for strip cropping;
--- seeding 2 acres of strips of seeded land left for game preservation;
--- landscaping, planting shrubbery, and laying stone walks on the
grounds around the farmhouse;
--- applying a 2nd coat of paint to the farmhouse;
--- construction of 6440 feet (more than a mile) of fence; and
--- construction of a one-acre farm pond.

Speaking that day at a ceremony beginning at 11:00 am while the work
continued, were
- S.A. Ozlin, chairman of the Southside Soil District;
- Dr. Paul D. Sanders, editor of Southern Planter;
- Foxhall Poythress, Jr, operator of the farm;
- L.M. Walker, State Commissioner of Agriculture;
- H.M. Collins, district conservationist for the Soil Conservation
District, who directed the project;
- S.W. Bondurant, of Blacksburg, Soil Conservation Service;
- L.T. Quinn, director, Commission of Game and Inland Fisheries;
- L.B. Dietrick, director, Agricultural Extension Service;
- Frank B. Cale, State Dept of Education;
- H.J. Neale, State Highway Dept;
- Miss Maude Wallace, assistant director Extension Service;
- George W. Dean, State Forest Service;
- R.B. Bridgeforth, Production and Marketing Administration;
- Dr. T.S. Buie of Spartanburg, SC, Soil Conservation Service;
- Dr. H.N. Young, director, Agricultural Experiment Station; and
- H.G. Blalock, Mecklenburg Farm Bureau.

Approximately 10,000 people came in 3,000 to 4,000 cars that were parked
on 30-40 acres of neighboring farms, to watch the work; they were fed by
dozens of ladies from the area's churches and community organizations.

It was hoped that other, smaller demonstrations would take place in many
communities. The model farm's value was quadrupled or more in that one
day's work.		09/11/2007 10:39:38
[POYTHRESS] FW: VASURRY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 98John M. Poythress-----Original Message-----
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Today's Topics:

1. IMPORTANT new Google Book Search (Paul Drake)


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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:01:35 -0500
From: "Paul Drake"
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For those who have not seen the new "Google Book Search", you should take a
look. Google with its zillions of dollars has undertaken to scan tens of
thousands of volumes, and has added to that giant folder a means by which
any of us may search within any of those books.

This site has enormous possibilities for research within the printed works
that are out there for you examination. I predict that before long it will
be a MAJOR source for you, and, unlike the obscene prices being charged by
the genealogy-for-money sites, this Google search engine is free.

As a demonstration of how it works, go to my website
www.DrakesBooks.com

When that opens, scroll down to
"Click here to search my books"

When that page opens, you can simply type in any name, place or subject that
you would like to examine within my works OR you may look within "all books"
(that Google has scanned to date).

While the Google scanning is by no means complete, there are hundreds of
thousands of entries that will show up for you.

For a rather user-friendly explanation of this new source, take a look at
http://booksearch.blogspot.com/2007/09/my-own-library-on-book-search.html

Good luck. Paul
www.DrakesBooks.com


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[POYTHRESS] Cryer & Poythress combined mentions 1738-1764Barbara NealSandy, thanks to having first found the first below PG item & the one
Amelia item mentioned in a very abbreviated listing of deeds that
Michael Tutor compiled sometime back, I searched among those counties'
material that Maynard has made available thru the years, to find what
they came from.
I located both of the items Tutor had distilled & listed, as well as a
couple of additional items that mention both the Cryer & the Poythress
name together. I've put all of them in chronological order here along
with Dinwiddie items that may well have been among what Maynard earlier
sent you off-list.

(This first one is a shorter version, apparently abstracted from the one
immediately below it):
On January 2, 1738, William Cryer was granted
700 acres in the counties of Prince George and Amelia, on both sides of
Tommahitton Swamp adjoining Joseph Poythress, upon the head of a small
branch on the south side of the swamp, adjoining John Yorke, and
crossing the Forke of Batts’s Branch.

Va Land Patent, from Land Patent search on Poythress:
2 Jan 1737/8 William Cryer [search: Joseph Poythress]
(January 2, 1737, 700 acres, Prince George County, mentions Joseph
Poythress). George the Second by the grace of God of Great Britain
France and Ireland King Defender of the faith etc. To all to whom these
present shall come greeting Know Ye that for a good causes and
considerations but more especially for and in consideration of the sum
of three pounds ten shillings of good and lawful money for our use to be
paid to our Receiver General of our Revenues in this our Colony and
Dominion of Virginia We have given granted & confirmed and by these
presents for us our heirs and successors do give grant and confirm unto
William Cryer one certain tract or parcel of land containing seven
hundred acres lying and being in the Counties of Prince George and
Amelia on both sides of Tommahitton Swamp adjoining Joseph Poythress's
line and bounded as followeth (to wit) beginning at a corner spanish oak
upon the head of a small branch on the south side the swamp thence south
thirty degrees we! st forty six poles to a corner pine thence south two
degrees east forty two poles to a corner red oak in John Yorke's line
thence east thirty degrees south ten poles along his line to his corner
thence east thirty five degrees south three hundred and eight poles
crossing the Forke of Batts's Branch to Joseph Poythress's line thence
north thirty seven degrees east two hundred and thirty seven poles along
Poythress's line to his corner on Tommahitton Swamp thence north ten
degrees east one hundred and four poles crossing the swamp to a corner
hickory thence north forty degrees west two hundred poles to a faced
corner thence south thirty seven degrees west ninety poles to
Tommahitton Swamp thence up the said swamp as it meanders to the mouth
of the aforesaid small branch and thence up the said branch as it
meanders to the beginning with all woods underwoods swamps marshes low
grounds meadows feedings and his due share of all veins mines and
quarries as well discovered as not di! scovered with the bounds
aforesaid and being part of the said quantity of seven hundred acres of
land and the rivers waters and water courses therein contained together
with the privileges of hunting hawking fishing fowling and all other
profits commodities and hereditaments whatsoever to the same or any part
thereof belonging or in any wise appertaining to have hold possess and
enjoy the said tract or parcel of land and all other the before granted
premises and every part thereof with their and every of their
appurtenances unto the said William Cryer and to his heirs and assigns
forever to the only use and behoof of him the said William Cryer his
heirs and assigns forever to be held of us our heirs and successors as
of our Manor of East Greenwich in the County of Kent free and common
soccage and not in capite or by Knights service yielding and paying unto
us our heirs and successors forever fifty acres of land and so
proportionably for a lesser or greater quantity than fift! y acres the
fee rent of one shilling yearly to be paid upon the Feast of Saint
Michael the Arch Angel and also cultivating and improving three acres
part of every fifty of the tract abovementioned within three years after
the date of these presents provided always that if three years of the
said fee rent shall at any time be in arrears and unpaid or if the said
William Cryer his heirs or assigns do not within the space of three
years next coming after the date of these presents cultivate and improve
three acres part of every fifty of the tract above mentioned then the
estate hereby granted shall cease and be utterly determined and
thereafter it shall and may be lawful to and for us our heirs and
successors to grant the same lands and premises with the appurtenances
unto such other person or persons as we our heirs and successors shall
think fit In witness whereof we have caused these our letters Patent to
be made witness our trusty and well beloved William Gooch Esq. our Lie!
utenant Governor and Commander in Chief of our said Colony and Dominion
at Williamsburg under the seal of our said Colony the second day of
January one thousand seven hundred and thirty seven In the eleventh year
of our reign. William Gooch PB 17, p. 431.


From Weisiger's abstracts, 2 items:

-- 11 Apr 1738, Prince George Co records
Case of William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of John
Fitzgerrald, deceased, VS Henry Wilson. After Wilson was given credit
for work done for Fitzgerrald, he still owed money to the estate.
Information was given by William Cryer and Drury Oliver. Audit examined
by J. Munford and Thomas Williams. Plaintiffs to recover damages.
(PG Minutes 1737-40, p. 100)

-- 11 July 1738, Prince George Co records
William Cryer, witness for William Poythress and Francis Poythress,
Executors of John Fitzgerrald, in their suit vs Henry Wilson, to be paid.
(PG Minutes 1737-40, p. 138)

Another from Land Patent search:
15 Oct 1741 John Jackson [search: Joseph Poythress]
4,440 acs. Pr. Geo. & Amelia Counties on both sides of Burchen Sw., etc.
etc. adj. Joseph Poythress, William Cryer & Thomas Snipe. £13.S10
1,740 acres part formerly Gtd. sd. John Jackson by Pat. 5 Jun 1736 [PB
17, p. 109] and the residue never before Gtd. PB 20, p. 52.

A second version of one immediately above:
On October 15, 1741, John Jackson, 4,440 acres, in Prince George
and Amelia Counties, on both sides of the Burchen Swamp, 1,740 acres
were granted John Jackson by a patent June 5, 1736, and the residue
thereof never before granted; on the north side of the open Beaverpond
of Burchen Swamp, on the upper side of the Rambling branch, up the Rocky
branch, adjoining Joseph Poythress, William Cryer, fork of Batts's
Branch of Tommahitton, adjoining Thomas Snipes, on the Main Burchen
Swamp, the mouth of Buckhorn Branch on the south side of the Swamp, to
Jackson’s Branch, adjoining Wood Jones, line of the upper Hurricane
Survey, in the fork of the Hurricane Swamp, on the Main Hurricane Swamp,
in the head of a fork of the Rocky branch.

Dinwiddie:
On April 18, 1753, in Dinwiddie County, John Williams, 38 acres, on both
sides of the Reedy branch adjoining William Poythress, William Cryer,
Samuel Gordon and Edward Poythress. This certificate was afterwards
altered to the name of Zacharias Penn.


And this Amelia Co one, for which I'm not sure whose abstracts Maynard
found this one among:

23 Apr 1764, Amelia Co
Deed. April 23, 1764 from William Cryer Sr. of Dinwiddie County, to
William Cryer Jr. of A[melia Co], for 5 shillings and for other good
causes, all that tract of land of about 570 acres on the south side of
Tommahitton Swamp in A[melia], and bounded by John York..... Joseph
Poythress. Recorded April 26, 1764.
(Bk. 8, p. 326)		09/28/2007 10:49:25
[POYTHRESS] Cryer & Poythress 1736-1742Barbara NealSandy, the below mentions of these Poythress executors of John
Fitzgerald, with some mentions of Cryer in some of them, all came from
one l-o-n-g run-on paragraph compiled in a lot of material back in 2006
by Michael Tutor. I think I've successfully managed to separate into
various paragraphs by the various court dates mentions.

Though Cryer is NOT mentioned throughout all of this, I figured if you
had the full Tutor "paragraph" it might help with context.

Be aware that there are various counties involved. In one of the
now-shorter paragraphs where you don't see a county named, I presume it
is the same as the immediately-preceding one, since all I did was inject
some white space for readability

Also: several times you'll see "Author notes" -- perhaps Michael Tutor?
or perhaps someone whose published work he had combined? -- I don't
know the answer to that. Perhaps Michael will speak up here on the list
& answer that.

Barbara

= = = =

On November 12, 1736, in Amelia County, in the action upon the case
between William and Francis Poythress, executors of John Fitzgerald,
deceased, against Charles Clay, etc., last Will and Testament of John
Fitzgerald. (Author notes there is no such Will in Amelia County).

On April 11, 1738, in Prince George County, in the case of William
Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of John Fitzgerald, deceased,
versus Henry Wilson. After Wilson was given credit for work done for
Fitzgerald, he still owed money to the estate. Information was given by
William Cryer and Drury Oliver. Audit examined by J. Munford and Thomas
Williams. Plaintiffs were to recover damages.

On May 9, 1738, in Prince George County, in a suit by Mathew Cabinis
and Hannah, his wife, one of the daughters of Thomas Clay, deceased,
against William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of John
Fitzgerald, deceased, who was administrator of Thomas Clay, deceased.,
for certain legacies devised to the said Hannah. Audited by William
Stark, Gentleman, and found plaintiff was due £12/14/9.

On July 11, 1738, in Prince George County, in the case of Francis Epes
versus William and Francis Poythress, executors of John Fitzgerald,
deceased, for debt, the court found for the plaintiff.

On July 11, 1738, in Prince George County, William Cryer, witness for
William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of John Fitzgerald,
in their suit versus Henry Wilson, to be paid.

On October 10, 1738, in Prince George County, in the action on the cases
brought by William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of the
last Will and testament of John Fitzgerald, deceased, against William
Floriday for £6, 9 shillings, 7 pence current money due by accounts the
defendant came into court and being ruled to Special Bails, and failing,
on the motion of the plaintiff’s attorney it was ordered that the
defendant be taken into custody of the Sheriff and safely kept until he
shall give such bail.

On October 10, 1738, in the action on the cause brought by William
Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of the last Will and
testament of John Fitzgerald, defendants against John Brewer for £6,
seven shillings, and eight pence, half penny current money due by
accounts and the defendants being arrested and called and not appearing
and Peter Daniel being returned Security for him, on the motion of the
plaintiff’s attorney it was considered by the court that the plaintiffs
recover against the defendant and his said Security the same aforesaid
of so much thereof as it shall appear to be due unless the defendant
shall appear at the next court and answer the said action.

On November, 1738, in Prince George County, in the action on the cause
brought by William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of the
last Will and testament of John Fitzgerald, defendants against John
Brewer for £6, seven shillings, and eight pence, half penny current
money due by accounts and the defendants being arrested and called and
not appearing and Peter Daniel being returned Security for him, on the
motion of the plaintiff’s attorney it was considered by the court that
the plaintiffs recover against the defendant and his said Security the
same aforesaid of so much thereof as it shall appear to be due unless
the defendant shall appear at the next court and answer the said action.

November, 1738, in the action on the cases brought by William Poythress
and Francis Poythress, executors of the last Will and testament of John
Fitzgerald, deceased, against William Floriday for £6, 9 shillings, 7
pence Current Money due by accounts the defendant came into Court and
being ruled to Special Bails, and failing, on the motion of the
plaintiff’s attorney it was ordered that the defendant be taken into
custody of the Sheriff and safely kept until he shall give such bail.

On November 14, 1738, in Prince George County, in the suit of William
Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of John Fitzgerald, deceased,
found for the plaintiff against William Floriday.

On February 11, 1739, in Prince George County, in the suit by a petition
brought by William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of the
last Will and Testament of John Fitzgerald, deceased, against John Hill
for £3, 5 shillings, ten pence, half penny current money due by accounts
to which Francis Poythress one of the plaintiffs made oath. The
defendant being summoned, called and not appearing on the plaintiff’s
motion it was considered by the court that they recover against the
defendant with costs Als: Ecxo.

On March 13, 1739, in Prince George County, in the action on the case
brought by William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of the
last Will and Testament of John Fitzgerald, deceased, against Honour
Whitten, administratrix of the goods and chattel of Richard Whitten, the
deceased, for 31 shillings 3 pence current money due by accounts to
which Francis Poythress one of the plaintiffs made oath, the defendant
being summoned and called and it appearing to the court that she had
fully administered the estate of Richard, on the motion of the said
Francis it was ordered that the defendant pay to the aforesaid
plaintiffs the aforesaid sum out of the said defendant’s estates when
such thereof shall come to hand.

On May 18, 1739, in Amelia County, deed of John Harris and Susanna, his
wife ----(Author note: There were several suits brought by William and
Francis Poythress, executors of John Fitzgerald. The Will was not
recorded in Amelia County).

On July 10, 1739, in Prince George County, in the action on the case
brought by William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of John
Fitzgerald, deceased, against Littlebury Eppes, the plaintiff failing to
prosecute, the case was dismissed.

On August 15, 1739, in Prince George County, in the suit of William and
Francis Poythress, executors of John Fitzgerald, deceased, versus Hannah
Stroud, executrix of John Stroud, deceased, dismissed.

On August 15, 1739, in Prince George County, in the suit of William and
Francis Poythress versus William Stoa, dismissed.

On August 15, 1739, in the suit by petition brought by William Poythress
and Francis Poythress, executors of the last Will and testament of John
Fitzgerald, deceased, against Daniel Meadows for 25 shillings and a half
penny current money due by accounts to which Francis Poythress one of
the plaintiffs makes oath the defendant being summoned and called and
not appearing on the plaintiff’s motion it was considered by this court
that they recover against the defendant the aforesaid sum and costs Als:
Exeo.

On August 15, 1739, in Prince George County, in the suit by petition
brought by William Poythress and Francis Poythress, executors of the
last Will and testament of John Fitzgerald, versus Martha Alexander and
Robert Munford, executrix and executor of the last Will and testament of
John Alexander, deceased. Amount to be recovered £3, 15 shillings, half
pence.

On June 5, 1740, in Brunswick County, it was ordered that the petition
of William and Francis Poythress, executors &c of John Fitzgerald,
deceased, against Seth Petty Poole be continued until the next court.
Gentlemen judges: John Wall, Richard Burch, Nicholas Lanier, William
Hagood. Sheriff: William Martingood.

On June 6, 1740, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against William Gent,
defendant, continued until the next court.

On September 4, 1740, in Brunswick County, William and Francis
Poythress, executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, deceased, petitioners,
against Seth Petty Poole, defendant, upon a petition for debt. This day
came the parties by their attorneys and the said defendant defends the
force and injury and prays judgement of the petitioners wait because he
saith that the aforesaid Francis Poythress one of the petitioners in the
said writ named after the original writ aforesaid was sued out and
before this day to wit on the ----- day of ----- in the year MDCCXXXIX
died at the parish of Saint Andrew in the county of Brunswick aforesaid
and this he was ready to verify wherefore he prays the judgement of this
worshipful court of the said writ and that the said writ may be quashed
and so forth and on the motion of the petitioners time is given them
until the next court to consider the said plea.

On September 4, 1740, in Brunswick County, upon the petition of William
and Francis Poythress, executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, deceased.,
against Samuel S-- for fo– pounds six shillings and four pence
----------- be due by bill: discontinued; being agreed by the parties.
And, on the same date, William and Francis Poythress, executors &c of
John Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against William Gent, defendant, continued
until the next court.

On September 5, 1740, in Brunswick County, William and Francis
Poythress, executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against
Phillip Gorgette, defendant, continued until the next court.

On September 5, 1740, in Brunswick County, William and Francis
Poythress, executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against Moses
Dunkley, defendant, continued until the next court.

On October 2, 1740, in Brunswick County, it was ordered that the
petition of William and Francis Poythress, executors, &c., of John
Fitzgerald, deceased, petitioners, against Seth Petty Poole, defendant,
upon a petition for debt. On the motion of the petitioners by their
attorney further time was given them until the next court to consider
the said defendant’s plea.

On October 2, 1740, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against William Gent,
defendant, continued until the next court.

On October 3, 1740, in the Brunswick County court, William and Francis
Poythress, executors &c of John Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against Moses
Dunkley, defendant, continued until the next court.

On November 6, 1740, in the Brunswick County court, it was ordered that
the petition of William and Francis Poythress, executors &c of John
Fitzgerald, deceased, petitioners, against Seth Petty Poole, defendant,
upon a petition for debt. This day came the parties by their attorneys
and the petitioners demur generally to the defendant’s plea in abatement
and on the motion of the defendant. time was given him until the next
court to consider the said demurrer.

On November 6, 1740, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against William Gent,
defendant, continued until the next court.

On April 2, 1741, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, deceased, plaintiffs, against Philip
Gorgette, defendant, in debt. This day came the parties by their
attorneys and the said defendant defends the force and injury and prays
judgement of the petitioners wait because he saith that the aforesaid
Francis Poythress one of the petitioners in the said writ named after
the original writ aforesaid was sued out and before this day to wit on
the ----- day of ----- in the year 1739 died at the parish of Saint
Andrew in the county of Brunswick aforesaid and this he is ready to
verefie wherefore he prays the judgement of this worshipful court of the
said writ and that the said writ may be quashed and so forth and on the
motion of the plaintiffs by their attorney time is given them until the
next court to reply to the said plea.

On the same date, William and Francis Poythress, executors, &c., of John
Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against Moses Dunkley, defendant, in debt. The
same plea and order verbatim as next before.

On May 7, 1741, in Brunswick County, upon the petition of William and
Francis Poythress, executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, deceased, against
Seth Petty Poole for debt continued until the next court.

On May 7, 1741, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against Phillip
Gorgette, defendant, continued until the next court.

On May 7, 1741, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, plaintiffs, against Moses Dunkley,
defendant, continued until the next court.

December 3, 1741, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., plaintiffs, against Seth Petty Poole, defendant, upon
petition in debt. This day came the parties by their attorneys and
thereupon the petitioners demurrer to the defendants plea in abatement
being argued because it seems to the Court here that the said plea and
the matter therein contained are not sufficient in lan to quash the writ
of the petitioner therefore it was considered that the defendant to the
said writ do further answer whereupon the said defendant by his attorney
for plea saith that he doth not owe to the petitioners as executors of
the said John the money in the petition mentioned or any penny thereof
and this he prays may be enquired of by the court and on the motion of
the petitioners by their attorney time was given them until the next
court to consider the said plea.

On December 3, 1741, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., plaintiffs, against Moses Dunkley, defendant, in debt.
This day came the parties by their attorneys and the petitioners
demurrer to the defts. plea in abatement being argued because it seems
to the Court here that the said plea and the matter therein contained
are not sufficient in lan to quash the petitioner’s writ therefore it
was considered that the defendant to the same writ as further answer and
thereupon the said defendant prays and has leave to imparte here until
the next court.

On December 3, 1741, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., plaintiffs, against Philip Gorgette, defendant, in debt.
This day came the parties by their attorneys and the petitioners
demurrer to the defendants plea in abatement being argued because it
seems to the court here that the said plea and the matter therein
contained are not sufficient in lan to quash the petitioner’s writ
therefore it was considered that the defendant to the same writ do
further answer and thereupon the said defendant prays and has leave to
imparte here until the next court.

On February 4, 1742, in Brunswick County, in the petition of William and
Francis Poythress, executors, &c., John Fitzgerald, deceased, against
Seth Petty Poole was continued until the next court at the plaintiff’s
costs.

On February 4, 1742, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, deceased, plaintiffs, against Moses
Dunkley, defendant, in debt, was continued until the next court.

On February 4, 1742, in Brunswick County, William and Francis Poythress,
executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, deceased, plaintiffs, against
Phillip Gorgette, defendant, in debt.

On June 4, 1742, in Brunswick County, upon the petition of William and
Francis Poythress, executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald, deceased, against
Seth Petty Poole for two pounds, thirteen shillings and seven pence
current money said to be due by Bill this day came the parties by their
attorneys and it appearing from the testimony of diverse witnesses that
the defendant does not owe the plaintiffs the money in the petition
mentioned and in pleading he has alleged therefore it was ordered by the
court that the petitioners take nothing by their petition out for their
false clamor be in money, &c., and that the defendant go hence without
delay and recover against the plaintiffs his costs by him about his
defense in his behalf expended. On the motion of Francis Bresin,
witness, for of Seth Petty Poole, at the suit of William and Francis
Poythress, executors, &c, of John Fitzgerald, deceased, it was ordered
that the said Seth pay him two hundred and eighty pounds of tobacco for
four days attendance for coming and returning 30 miles according to law.
On the motion of Thomas Mayo, witness, for Seth Petty Poole, at the suit
of William and Francis Poythress, executors, &c., of John Fitzgerald,
deceased, it was ordered that the said Seth pay him one hundred pounds
of tobacco for four days attendance according to law.		09/28/2007 10:49:37
[POYTHRESS] FW: VA-SOUTHSIDE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 94John M. PoythressBelow suggests to me that if you know precisely what document you are looking for (by
using the Golden West, etc.) then the Lunenburg or Mecklenburg County courthouses will
mail you a copy of it.
Maynard




Today's Topics:
1. The Golden West Marketing Books (Jeff Davis)


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I recently purchased several of the books by Golden West Marketing for the Lunenburg and
Mecklenburg County, Virginia area. Thank you Deloris for the recommendation. The books
of abstracts arrived. I then put in a test order to the Lunenburg Court House and the
Mecklenburg Court House with 6 requests at each location to see if it did in fact pan out.



I just received all 6 requests as they were identified by Book and Page # from the
Lunenburg Court House today. No word yet from Mecklenburg. These were all requested
ranging in dates from 1750-1780. I am very pleased with these books insofar as getting
the coveted original sources. Thank you for recommending these books.
Sincerely,
Jeff Davis		10/07/2007 6:00:38
Re: [POYTHRESS] FW: VA-SOUTHSIDE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 94JLPI've ordered copies of original records from Brunswick, Lunenburg and
Mecklenburg counties via their clerk's office at the courthouse. The
response time was excellent, and the cost was astoundingly low
(considering what it costs to go through the archives). But you do
have to request EXACTLY what you want, i.e., Deed Book #, pp. ##,
etc., which you can get from the usual sources of abstracts of these
records (just be sure that you're dealing with a reliable abstracter).

My experience is that it is best to call the clerk's office before the
first order, to obtain their copy costs, exact address, and preferred
method of payment. From that point on, I almost always received my
copies within a week after my letter arrived at the clerk's office.
Any problems - wrong citation, address, or payment - will necessarily
delay the process.

For what it's worth...

Lou Poole

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From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John M. Poythress
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 11:01 AM
To: AA Poythress List
Subject: [POYTHRESS] FW: VA-SOUTHSIDE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 94


Below suggests to me that if you know precisely what document you are
looking for (by using the Golden West, etc.) then the Lunenburg or
Mecklenburg County courthouses will mail you a copy of it. Maynard




Today's Topics:
1. The Golden West Marketing Books (Jeff Davis)


----------------------------------------------------------------------


I recently purchased several of the books by Golden West Marketing for
the Lunenburg and Mecklenburg County, Virginia area. Thank you
Deloris for the recommendation. The books of abstracts arrived. I
then put in a test order to the Lunenburg Court House and the
Mecklenburg Court House with 6 requests at each location to see if it
did in fact pan out.



I just received all 6 requests as they were identified by Book and
Page # from the Lunenburg Court House today. No word yet from
Mecklenburg. These were all requested ranging in dates from
1750-1780. I am very pleased with these books insofar as getting the
coveted original sources. Thank you for recommending these books.
Sincerely, Jeff Davis




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[POYTHRESS] Farmington, VA near Route 5 Charles City County?Barbara P NealHi Gary, with copy to Poythress-List subscribers,
I'm copying Gary's question below (I'm not sure where you got my
email address to try, Gary -- or whether you may be a Poythress-List
subscriber?)
I'm not familiar with a Farmington, Virginia, said to be close to
Richmond, which Gary suspects lies somewhere near Charles City and
Sherwood Forrest near route 5 in Charles City County. Perhaps one of
our list subscribers can help. And perhaps someone will recognize his
ancestor's name, too.
I tried MapQuest (www.mapquest.com), putting in Farmington, VA. It
came up with one in Albemarle County, just outside Charlottesville --
which I realize is apparently not the one Gary is looking for.
Better luck might be had with the USGS survey maps on-line, but I
don't have a website for trying that. Can any of you please give that
website? Thanks.
Cheers,
Barbara
= = =
Gary McDermott wrote:
> Dear Barbara Neale
> I have been searching high and low for a Farmington, Virginia, said
> to be close to Richmond. My ancestor George Stacy lived there for 8
> years but I can find no map and very little evidence that the place ever
> existed. I suspect that it lies somewhere near Charles City and Sherwood
> Forrest near route 5 in Charles City County. If you now where this is or
> was, could you drop me a line. Hanover County also has/had a Farmington
> which is just as elusive.
> Respectfully
> Gary McDermott		10/09/2007 2:54:04
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10/11/2007 2:46:36
[POYTHRESS] Misc.John M. PoythressLooks more and more like the low hanging fruit is gone. It’s amazing what

Google will turn up with “Poythress + Virginia” (without the quotes):



2 Feb 1801

Lucy Bland Poythress of Chesterfield for divers good causes emancipates Kate, Cresse (dau
of sd Kate), Harriet (dau of said Cresse) and John – son of said Cresse. Chesterfield
County Deed Book 15, 1800-1802, p. 28.



8 Dec 1755

Peter Hays and wife Bether to Thomas Hayes 10£ for 100 acres on SS Cashy Swamp by deed
dated 1755. Wit: William Poythress, George Vann, John Bryan. Bertie County, NC April
Court, Book H, p. 299.



Prince George County

Orders 1811-14

Deed of emancipation John Poythress to Nancy Booker (no further citations)





And I’ve only scanned the first 300 of some 13,000 entries. Using Poythress

PLUS myriad other “connections” a) sort of clears the field and b) turns up others that
don’t seem like they would have been turned up on a single word query.



Maynard		10/11/2007 10:06:39
Re: [POYTHRESS] Misc.Barbara P NealThanks, Maynard. Good reminder for us to keep checking, since more &
more stuff hits the internet all the time.
Barbara



10/11/2007 10:46:33
[POYTHRESS] Farmville, VABarbara P NealThanks. I'll email him to let him know.
Barbara

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> probably FAMRVILLE, VA		10/11/2007 11:29:39
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10/12/2007 11:35:16
[POYTHRESS] John & Mary PoythressJohn M. PoythressBelow is a snippet from an Ivey web site turned up with a Poythress+Charles City County
search. Unfortunately none of it is documented. Some will recall that we tussled with
this confusion for quite a while before reaching the same conclusion as the Iveys did (at
least with respect to the two couples named John & Mary.



Maynard



The line of Adam Ivey of Charles City County



It is worth mentioning some interesting connections with the Poythress family which lived

not far from Ward's Creek. A Mary Poythress witnessed Elizabeth Ivey's 1718 will.

There were at least two Mary Poythresses in Prince George at the time, both wives of

different people named John Poythress.



It is likely that the Mary Poythress who witnessed the will was Mary Batte,

the wife of John Poythress, Jr. who lived adjoining the land Adam Ivey, Jr. sold in 1721

and 1723. This John Poythress was the brother of Peter Poythress to whom Adam Ivey

sold his land in 1721.



Both of them were named in the 1712 will of John Poythress, Sr. whose wife can be

proven to be Christian Peebles. That 1712 will also names a daughter Christian, who

may have been married John Ivey.



Another son of John Poythress, Sr. was Joshua, who received a patent in 1722 for

(probably much earlier) transportation of Edward Prince, likely Adam Ivey Jr.'s
son-in-law.		10/17/2007 2:19:43
[POYTHRESS] Sarah Eppes Poythress and Col. William Poythress JPEGS of tombstonesJulie CabittoI didn't make it to Blanford cemetery on my trip to Mecklenburg VA last weekend. But I found someone else had already taken pictures & submitted them. This was the cemetery listing I saw listed on the LVA page for Blanford Cemetery.
I was checking the Find A Grave website, and found pictures for these stones.
Love,
Julie
____________________________________________________-
Here's the link:
Sarah:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=poythress&GScid=49478&GRid=18348008&

Col William Poythress, son of John Poythress and Mary Batte:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=poythress&GScid=49478&GRid=20297939&		10/20/2007 5:31:09
Re: [POYTHRESS] Sarah Eppes Poythress and Col. William Poythress JPEGS of tombstonesBarbara P NealFYI, Blandford Cemetery has a lovely book with various color photos in
it, two of which are the markers of Sarah Eppes Poythress & Col. Wm
Poythress.

"Blandford Cemetery: Death and Life at Petersburg, Virginia" by John O.
Peters. Don't recall the price. They had it for sale in the cemetery
office when I stopped by there very briefly in May to pay my respects to
the Col & Sarah & others buried there.



10/21/2007 2:25:27
Re: [POYTHRESS] Sarah Eppes Poythress and Col. William Poythress JPEGS of tombstonesHi Julie
I went to link of Blandford cementary. I will probably be there next weekend. My grandmother is buried there. I checked the list, her husband is on it but she is not,probably because she has more recently died. Anyway, if want me to check something I can try if I have time. I will only be there for a day.

Cynthia Huggett

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>
> I didn't make it to Blanford cemetery on my trip to Mecklenburg VA last weekend.
> But I found someone else had already taken pictures & submitted them. This was
> the cemetery listing I saw listed on the LVA page for Blanford Cemetery.
> I was checking the Find A Grave website, and found pictures for these stones.
> Love,
> Julie
> ____________________________________________________-
> Here's the link:
> Sarah:
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> Col William Poythress, son of John Poythress and Mary Batte:
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> the subject and the body of the message		10/21/2007 7:52:59
[POYTHRESS] BoisseauJohn M. PoythressInteresting...all along I have thought the Poythress folks in that Caddo Parish came from,
wasn't it, James Price Poythress from over in Jackson County, FL? This date is, of
course, much later, and the Boisseau family married into Poythresses (or maybe the other
way around) in Virginia.

Just as a pure guess out of the blue..maybe Richard married her in Virginia and then the
two of them migrated to LA.

Netitia (Nettie) Poythress Boisseau

1900 Census Louisiana, Caddo Parish, P 355, SD 4, ED 47, SH 16A.

Richard Walter Boisseau

1900 Census Louisiana, Caddo Parish, P 355, SD 4, ED 47, SH 16A.





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While Henry Louis Gates himself is unquestionably one of God's own fools, the article is instructive none the less.

DNA is looking more and more to me as a quasi-science.




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[POYTHRESS] hilkiah poytresshi researching poytress family history
am looking for info on hilkiah poytress where did he dissappear too?
any info would be gratefully recieved!!!!



11/17/2007 4:24:53
Re: [POYTHRESS] hilkiah poytressBarbara P NealI'll be glad to try to help, if you can please tell me when Hilkiah
Poytress was living someplace. And if he was an adult or a child when he
was living there.

Barbara

11/20/07 Wendyt42@aol.com wrote:
> hi researching poytress family history
> am looking for info on hilkiah poytress where did he dissappear too?
> any info would be gratefully recieved!!!!		11/20/2007 1:43:56
[POYTHRESS] FW: Facts & Genes from Family Tree DNAJohn M. Poythressi. e., a commercial.



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Editor's Corner

In the News: Family Tree DNA Announcements

Educational Resources: Events & Publications

Genetic Genealogy: Vendor Selection

Genetic Genealogy: Oldest Known Ancestors

Genetic Genealogy: Join a Project

Genetic Genealogy: Site Map

Y DNA: Which Male?

Recruiting Participants: Plan for Holiday Events

Genetic Genealogy: Advanced Tests

Case Studies in Genetic Genealogy

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In the News: Family Tree DNA Announcements

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Family Tree DNA is pleased to announce milestones achieved and new features.


1. The following milestones have been achieved:

Family Tree DNA now has over 108,000 records in our database of Y-DNA results. We also
have over 4,400 Surname Projects, which include over 68,000 surnames. Our mtDNA database
has over 55,000 results. Both databases are the largest of their kind in the world.


2. The 4th International Conference on Genetic Genealogy was held October 20-21, 2007 in
Houston, Texas. The conference was considered by many of the attendees to be the best
conference held to date. Comments from attendees include: "Exciting," "Superb," "MyMap is
another first for Family Tree DNA," and "Dr Hammer's presentation was excellent." Each year at its conference, Family Tree DNA brings the leading experts in the field, who
give presentations on a variety of topics related to the use of DNA testing for family
history and deep ancestral origins. Many attendees have joined us each year for this
exciting and educational event.

Family Tree DNA made a variety of announcements at the conference, which are covered
below.


3. Family Tree DNA Announces an Updated Y Chromosome Haplogroup Tree

At the conference, Dr. Hammer, a world renown geneticist, and a member of the Family Tree
DNA Scientific Advisory Board, presented a report on the new revised version of the YCC (Y
Chromosome Consortium) 2002 Y Chromosome Haplogroup Tree. This revised tree incorporates
all the newly discovered SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphism), and is submitted for
publication in GenoResearch. Upon publication, Family Tree DNA will use this new structure
for classifying Y-DNA results. The Deep Clade tests will also incorporate new SNPs as
apropriate.

Dr. Hammer began his presentation at the conference with a review of the history of the
discovery of SNPs. The discovery of SNPs took off in 1997 when 19 SNPs were found, and
continues to this day, with hundreds of new SNPs identified so far. The Y Chromosome
Consortium (YCC) was created by 1991, and the first official YCC haplogroup tree was
issued in 2002.

Between 2004 and 2007 more than 500 new SNPs have been discovered, leading to the need to
revise the Y Chromosome Haplogroup Tree, as well as revise the estimated dates for the
major haplogroups and sub-haplogroups.

The new YCC Y Chromosome Haplogroup Tree contains many revisions to the prior tree,
including changes in its structure and the addition of new sub-haplogroups.

Upon publication, the new Y Chromosome Haplogroup Tree will be available for customers to
purchase as a wall poster (24"x40"). You can still order the previous chart by logging
into your Personal Page, clicking Order Tests and Upgrades, then tandard Orders, and then
selecting Y-DNA Haplogroup Chart. Please note that the new charts will only be offered
once the paper is published.


4. Family Tree DNA Announces MyMap

At the conference, Family Tree DNA also previewed a prototype of a new feature that will
be available shortly, called myMap. Using this new tool, customers will be able to see the
ancestral location of their matches on a map. MyMap will be a valuable tool to help
identify the ancestral location, when trying to make the connection to the ancestral
homeland. For myMap to function as designed, participants will need to enter the locations
for their oldest known ancestor. See the article below titled "Genetic Genealogy: Oldest
Known Ancestors" for details.

myMap is an exciting step forward for all genealogists as a new tool to assist in finding
the ancestral location. Additional details will be provided in Facts & Genes when myMap is
available.


5. Family Tree DNA Announces Personal Y DNA SNP Exloration: A Walk Through the Y

At the conference, Family Tree DNA also announced new tests to be provided by their
Houston Genomics Research Center. These new tests will sequence sections of the Y
chromosome. Two or more males with matching or close results for the standard Y-DNA tests
could elect to do this further testing of their Y chromosome to look for personal SNPs.
Once potential personal SNPs are identified, then other participants could just order
these SNPs at a nominal fee to determine if they have the SNP. These new tests will
provide genetic genealogists for the very first time with the ability to explore the Y
chromosome to discover personal or family SNPs.

These SNPs may be valuable in solving genealogy questions and allowing customers to
investigate deep ancestry. These tests will be of significant benefit to those who have
many matches, and are looking for further tools to refine their set of matches. Personal
SNPs may be discovered that define a family or that help to ientify an ancestral location.

Personal SNP tests also provide an opportunity for anyone interested to get involved in
scientific discovery.

Further details on these new Y-DNA tests will be available shortly.


6. Family Tree DNA Announces Full Sequence Matching

At the conference, Family Tree DNA announced the launch of mtDNA full sequence matching.
Customers who have tested their full mtDNA sequence can check their mtDNA Matches and
mtDNA Ancestral Origins sections of their Personal Pages to see if they have any matches
at the full sequence level. Family Tree DNA is the first to offer this exciting new
application of full sequence testing.

With these new developments, Family Tree DNA continues to be the leader in the field of
genetic genealogy, bringing to the customer tests, tools, and features to explore their
ancestry.


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If you are thinking of starting a Surname Project, now is the tim to get started. Our
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the excitement of new discoveries.

Anyone with experience with family history research can start a Surname Project. We supply
the tools and guidance so your Surname Project is successful.

There are just two steps to take to become a Group Administrator of a Surname Project:

1. Find out if a Surname Project exists for your surname. Click on the link below to
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Educational Resources: Events & Publications

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Educational Articles and Books

DNA Questions and Answers
Family Chronicle Magazine
November/December 2007 Issue
Available at news stands November 1st
http://www.FamilyChronicle.com


ABRAHAM'S CHILDREN: Race, Identity and the DNA of The Chosen People
http://www.abrahamschildren.net

Bestselling author Jon Entine vividly brings to life the profound implications of the Age
of Genetics while illuminating one of today's most controversial topics: the connection
between genetics and identity. Entine weaves a fascinating narrative, using breakthroughs
in genetic gnealogy to reconstruct the biblical tradition of the ancient Israelites. What
is the genetic evidence of the Exodus and the legacy of Moses and Aaron? What happened to
the Lost Tribes scattered to the far corners of the world?

ABRAHAM'S CHILDREN takes you on a journey through history and into each person's personal
genealogical history, with riveting narratives, and chapters on the 'how' and 'why' of
genetic genealogy, including the key role Family Tree DNA has played in refining the real
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Genetic Genealogy: Vendor Selection

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Selecting a vendor for your DNA test or Surname Project is a ver important step. Often,
the vendor selected will determine the success of your project. If you are a participant,
the vendor selected may determine whether you find matches and whether you maximize your
investment in DNA testing, based on the size of the vendor's database.

Since 2000, Family Tree DNA has been providing DNA tests for genealogists. This is our
only business. We have constantly expanded our products and services to bring the latest
science and tools to our valued customers. Our track record shows innovation and a
commitment to our customers.

FamilyTreeDNA has the largest database, which is growing every day, and represents
participants from over 190 countries.

In any new discipline, you will see vendors come and go. Since 2000, this has also
happened with Genetic Genealogy. New vendors see a financial opportunity and enter the
market. As we have seen, some then leave the market. Of these, some may wait a while,
perhaps for the market to be more profitable, and thenmake another entrance. Are these
vendors interested in the best solutions for Genetic Genealogists?

You will find other vendors who provide paternity testing and see an opportunity for more
revenue, so they offer a few tests for genealogists. Their primary business is paternity
testing, and the genealogy tests only provide additional revenue from the machines they
already have.

Family Tree DNA has consistently innovated and is committed to Genetic Genealogy. As a
pioneer, we are the first to bring you new features and tools. We don't come and go based
on convenience or profit.

When deciding where to test, or which vendor to select for your project, consider these
questions:

Would you trust your project to a vendor who comes and goes?

Would you trust your project to a vendor when Genetic Genealogy is not their primary
business?




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Genetic Genealogy: Oldest Known Ancestors

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For those who have taken a Y-DNA or mtDNA test, you can enter information about your
oldest direct line male and/or direct line female ancestor. To enter this information, go
to your Personal Page, and click "User Preferences."

Move down the page until you see the section "Displaying the Most Distant Known Ancestor."
Enter your information in the box shown. The information about the most distant ancestor
is an optional display on the project web site and can be valuable to the Group
Administrator in interpreting your results.

In addition, if you can identify the location of the Most Distant Ancestor, you can add
this information, which is very important for a new tool coming soon, called myMap To add
your ancestor to the map, you must enter the latitude and longitude for the ancestor in
decimal format. A link is provided that will determine the latitude and longitude for a
location provided. You can find this link above the boxes where you enter the latitude and
longitude.

Adding your ancestor's location for the myMap tool is very important.

In addition, your Group Administrator can select an option on the Family Project Website
Page to display the map of the location of most distant ancestors at the project web site.
If you are a Group Administrator, go to your Group Administration Page. Then click on
Family Project Web site. This page is used to set up and maintain your web site. Move down
the page, below the boxes, where you will see:

Display Ancestor's (Alleles) Map:
Display Ancestor's (mtDNA) Map:

Click on the box to the right of the first line so that a check mark appears to display
the Y-DNA most distant ancestor map. Click on the box to the right of te second line so
that a check mark appears to display the mtDNA most distant ancestor map.

The Group Administrator can also view a map of the most distant ancestor or of the
participants' location by going to the Group Administration Page and clicking "View Member
Distribution Map."

Those who have tested are encouraged to add their most distant ancestor information today!



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Genetic Genealogy: Join a Project

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For those who took a Y-DNA test, and a Surname Project didn't exist for your surname at
the time, we suggest that you periodically check to see if a Surname Project has been
established. Joining thi project can increase the benefit you receive from your Y-DNA
test.

To find out if a Surname Project exists for your surname, click the blue Join button on
your Personal Page and enter the surname in the search box. If a project is now set up,
you can follow the directions to join the Surname Project.

To search for a Surname Project without logging into your Personal Page, click on the link
below:
http://www.familytreeDNA.com/surname.aspx

If you are female, some Surname Projects will also welcome you, and perhaps you can find a
male in your tree to participate.




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Genetic Genealogy: Site Map

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The importance of the last male also applies to Surname Projects. We recommend that any
trees that have only one surviving male should be a priority for testing. Donations can
always be raised to fund a test, and when working with a budget, start with 12 markers and
upgrade later.



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Recruiting Participants: Plan for Holiday Events

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The holiday season is quickly approaching, and it is never to early to plan for hese
events. Family gatherings are an opportunity to share information about your DNA test and
to recruit participants.

You can be prepared for these events by having test kits on hand. You can order these test
kits using the invoice method, and then remit payment when they are returned. An invoice
will be in the test kit.

If you are attending an event and a family member is interested in participating, you can
pull out a test kit and begin the process of collecting the sample.

When the test kit is returned, the payment details can be written on the invoice, such as
the credit card information. If the test cost is being split, these details can also be
written on the invoice. A US Dollar check can be enclosed. If you are applying some of the
General Fund to the purchase of a kit, this information can also be written on the invoice
or emailed to Family Tree DNA (juliew@familytreeDNA.com). Please note that General Funds
can only be applied by the Group Administrator. Details uch as the participant name can
also be written on the invoice.

You can order test kits to have on hand at no charge. To order one, enter an order on the
standard order page for the project. Group Administrators who want to order one test kit,
will click "Add a New Member" in their Group Administration Page. If a Group Administrator
wants more than one kit, click "Order Multiple Kits for Distribution" in their Group
Administration Page.

It will be important once the test kit is assigned to a participant to get the name,
postal address, and email address of the participant entered into the kit record at Family
Tree DNA so the participant receives his certificate and map in the mail as well as email
notifications of matches.



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Genetic Genealogy: Advanced Tests

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This month's featured Advanced Test is the Y-STR DNA-FP Panel 1 (General purpose
Y-chromosome STR panel).

This Advanced Test is used to have results compatible to the YHRD database and is very
similar to the Y-DNA12. We only recommend this panel for filling missing markers or for
re-testing inconsistent results.

To order an Advanced Test from your Personal Page, click "Order Tests and Upgrades" and
then click "Advanced Orders." Go down the page until you find the Y-STR DNA-FP Panel 1.



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Case Studies in Genetic Genealogy

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In each issue of the newsletter, we present a situation which you may encounter as you
utilize Genetic Genealogy testing for your family history research, followed by our
recommendation.

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Your company has supplied me with the results for a Y-DNA test. My aunt, who is the family
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1635. How did your company obtain the DNA from Henry XXXX?


Recommendation
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We did not obtain DNA from your distant ancestor Henry. The genealogy research in the
paper records showed that your distant direct line male ancestor was Henry. If Henry had
two sons, each of which had sons, and further generations had sons, then their descendents
would each have inherited Henry's Y-DNA. If you descend from one of these sons and a
distant cousin, Bob, descends from Henry's other son, then by testig your Y-DNA you and
Bob can confirm that you are a match. This verifies the genealogy research and establishes
the ancestral result for Henry.



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Facts & Genes. Copyright (c) 2007 Family Tree DNA. All rights reserved.		11/20/2007 1:53:47
[POYTHRESS] FW: Hilkiah PoytressJohn M. Poythress_____

From: Wendyt42@aol.com [mailto:Wendyt42@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:09 PM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Hilkiah Poytress



hi
Hilkiah poytress was born in cheltenham gloucester england 1845
parents charles poytress and ellen poytress formerly clarke.
i have found him on the 1851, 1861, 1881 and 1891 census all in cheltenham
i know he married twice and had children i was trying to find out when he died.
any help gratefully recieved.
cheers wendy		11/20/2007 10:02:41
[POYTHRESS] FW: Hilkiah PoytressJohn M. Poythress_____

From: Wendyt42@aol.com [mailto:Wendyt42@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:09 PM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Hilkiah Poytress



hi
Hilkiah poytress was born in cheltenham gloucester england 1845
parents charles poytress and ellen poytress formerly clarke.
i have found him on the 1851, 1861, 1881 and 1891 census all in cheltenham
i know he married twice and had children i was trying to find out when he died.
any help gratefully recieved.
cheers wendy		11/20/2007 10:03:13
Re: [POYTHRESS] re hilkiah poytressBarbara P NealHi Wendy,

I'm answering this on the Poythress subscrition-email-list, but also
responding to you personally to be sure of reaching you. I *think* you
are a subscriber to the email list, but I'm not positive.

I have a bit of info I'll be glad to share about Hilkiah's year of
death, but if you wouldn't mind letting me know the following two things
first, I sure would appreciate knowing
(1) in what country you live, and
(2) if you are descended from either Hilkiah or one of his siblings:
which one?

I ask because I may can also put you in touch with one of your living
relatives who has done some Poytress research. Responding off-list would
be fine: just use my below email address.

Best regards,

Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net

11/20/07 Wendyt42@aol.com wrote:
> hi barbara
> wasnt sure how best to reply.
> Hilkiah poytress was born in cheltenham gloucester england 1845
> parents charles poytress and ellen poytress formerly clarke.
> i have found him on the 1851, 1861, 1881 and 1891 census all in cheltenham
> i know he married twice and had children i was trying to find out when
> he died.
> any help gratefully recieved.
> cheers wendy		11/21/2007 3:46:05
[POYTHRESS] For those who don't have anything better to do.....John M. PoythressThere is a freebie website called Surnamesdb that supposedly you give your surname to and

they send you the origin of your surname along with a reference to every document in which
it

has appeared (they don't specify the time frame but I doubt if they mean forever).
Anyway,

I gave 'em ours and got a notice they they had not yet started studying Poythress but
would

get in touch with me as soon as they did.



Then, the next day I get the below "season's greetings" and other whimsy. Go figure.



Maynard



A seasons greetings to all onamasticians

Years ago when the earth was still round, Christmas was Christmas, Christian names were
Christian names, surnames were surnames, and the only seriously odd people about were the
Hungarians, who put their surnames before their Christian names - and still do. Most of
the rest of the world got by quite happily with 'given names' usually of religious origins
and by knowing who their father was, who their grandfather was, their great grand father,
and their great great grandfather, the tribe of whom they were all members, and the all
embracing religion which is or was their life support system. Nothing much else mattered,
that is until the computer driven global economy became just that - global. Now the lines
of escape are blurred, everybody now either has or will have - a surname. They may call it
something else, but in essence their last name is their surname - except in Hungary of
course.

This leads me to Onamastics or the study of the meaning of all names. This is a word I
first heard it twenty years or more ago and immediately reminded me of gymnastics, a
convoluting series of exercises equally applicable to surnames. However 'Onamastics' as a
word has never caught on, not even in a household like ours where 'names' are discussed on
a fairly regular basis, so I took time out to look it up. Well nothing has changed, it
still means 'the study of the meaning of names' although this study can perhaps be applied
to all words. As Michael Caine might say 'Not a lot of people know that' but what is
important is that you dear reader, is now included in this small group, who now know
something the rest don't. Is it important? Only that it gives a description to what we do
and to what is done in the name of a 'name' so to speak. And 'Yes' perhaps it is important
given that six billion people now inhabit the earth, and if they are all to join in they
need 'surnames', and perhaps then Onamastics will become a household word, but somehow I
doubt it.

We would like to take this opportunity to thank both you our users and our affiliate
partners for making the first nine months of SurnameDB.com so much fun. Since we started
we have accumulated over 15,000 members, many of whom have contributed significantly to
the content of the site. As always we encourage you to remember us when you find new sites
related to a particular surname, or when you discover interesting gems in your research.
SurnameDB is a great way of sharing this information with others of the same name, and you
never know where that piece of knowledge might lead someone else's research.

Meanwhile back to Christmas, a season of great joy. Originally a pagan holiday which was
sort of 'taken over' by Christianity, mixed up with a king called Klaus, confused with
snow, reindeer etc, further confused with a baby in a stable, wise men, and a load of
gold, incense and murr? By the way what happened to all that heavy stuff? Did Jacob gamble
it away?

Best Wishes,

The SurnameDB.com Team.		12/06/2007 9:04:44
Re: [POYTHRESS] For those who don't have anything better to do.....Sounds like good stuff to me Maynard!!

"Merry Christmas" and wish you and yours have one of the very best.

The old man, older than dirt......... Bud



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(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)		12/06/2007 11:40:10
[POYTHRESS] An interesting find....John M. PoythressGoogle the Google books section for "Colonial Churches in the Original Colony of

Virginia."



It's the complete 317 page text (with illustrations, some of which we already have)

of a 1908 publication by Southern Churchman Company, Richmond. Table of

contents makes it fairly easy to find the parishes in which we are interested.



Maynard		12/09/2007 1:59:07
[POYTHRESS] Salina Poythressbspeth1I'm looking for any information on my 4th great-grandmother, Salina Poythress, b. 1772 and died 1845 in Macon,Ga. She married a Hall, probably in Va. or N.C.. Her only surviving daughter was Susan Poythress Hall, b. 1792 in N.C. or Va. who married John Howard of Onslow, N.C. abt. 1812/13 in N.C.. This family is buried in Rose Hill Cemetery in Macon, Ga. I would appreciate hearing from anyone with any information on the ancestry of this family.12/09/2007 5:08:54
Re: [POYTHRESS] Salina PoythressJohn M. PoythressGee, I feel the urge to grab this one since I was born (1934) in Macon and grew up there.
The bad news is I'm drawing a blank and maybe some others on the Poythress list can help
you. I never chased down any Poythresses there because my father and his brother both
moved there from S. Georgia in the 20's and we were the only ones in town.....and
of course I looked in the censuses but I wouldn't have been looking
for Halls which I suppose would have been her surname then.

I also have kinfolks buried in Rose Hill Cemetery and also the adjoining cemetery which is
Riverside (started much later).

I don't know where you are but if you're close to Macon (I'm not...Louisville, KY) the
Washington Memorial Library (main Macon library) has a dynamite Macon and Georgia section
and a bunch of volunteers just dying to look stuff up for you. In fact, they
take on line requests for look ups. Google the home page "Washington
Memorial Library, Macon, GA" and a sub-page is dedicated to a list
of all the records they have and what you need to tell them for a look up. I have used
them several times and they do a very through (and
free) job.

Also, the guy or gal who runs that "Find a Grave" site that so many
people use claims to be in Rose Hill all the time and says he'll be
happy to help people locate marker texts, etc. His site is easy to find with a Google.
That cemetery is worth a visit if you're close to Macon even if you didn't have any kin
buried there. It's the oldest in town and has many famous "residents" as well as being
the only Macon cemetery for Confederate soldiers. Some fairly exotic tombstones add some
flavor.

Hope this is helpful and sorry I don't have more. I sort of felt like
it was my "responsibility." May another on our page might have a
handle on the North Carolina end.

Good luck.

John M. Poythress

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Subject: [POYTHRESS] Salina Poythress

I'm looking for any information on my 4th great-grandmother, Salina Poythress, b. 1772 and
died 1845 in Macon,Ga. She married a Hall, probably in Va. or N.C.. Her only surviving
daughter was Susan Poythress Hall, b. 1792 in N.C. or Va. who married John Howard of
Onslow, N.C. abt. 1812/13 in N.C.. This family is buried in Rose Hill Cemetery in Macon,
Ga. I would appreciate hearing from anyone with any information on the ancestry of this
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Salina Poythressbspeth1John,
Thanks for your response to the Poythress query. I've pretty much exhausted
the Washington Library. Yes, I agree with you that they are very helpful.
I've become a friend of the historian at Mulberry Methodist Church in Macon
and she has been extremely helpful. She even went out to Rose Hill and took
photos of the graves for me. I reside in Augusta.

John Howard was a Methodist minister at Methodist Episcopal Church on
Mulberry St. when he died in 1836. The first monument ever placed on a grave
in Macon by the citizens was placed on his grave.

John Howard was also an agent for the Manual Labor School and solicited
funds for that school. The year after his death the name of the school was
renamed Emory College.

Thanks again for your response.
Barry
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From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Salina Poythress


> Gee, I feel the urge to grab this one since I was born (1934) in Macon and
> grew up there.
> The bad news is I'm drawing a blank and maybe some others on the Poythress
> list can help
> you. I never chased down any Poythresses there because my father and his
> brother both
> moved there from S. Georgia in the 20's and we were the only ones in
> town.....and
> of course I looked in the censuses but I wouldn't have been looking
> for Halls which I suppose would have been her surname then.
>
> I also have kinfolks buried in Rose Hill Cemetery and also the adjoining
> cemetery which is
> Riverside (started much later).
>
> I don't know where you are but if you're close to Macon (I'm
> not...Louisville, KY) the
> Washington Memorial Library (main Macon library) has a dynamite Macon and
> Georgia section
> and a bunch of volunteers just dying to look stuff up for you. In fact,
> they
> take on line requests for look ups. Google the home page "Washington
> Memorial Library, Macon, GA" and a sub-page is dedicated to a list
> of all the records they have and what you need to tell them for a look up.
> I have used
> them several times and they do a very through (and
> free) job.
>
> Also, the guy or gal who runs that "Find a Grave" site that so many
> people use claims to be in Rose Hill all the time and says he'll be
> happy to help people locate marker texts, etc. His site is easy to find
> with a Google.
> That cemetery is worth a visit if you're close to Macon even if you didn't
> have any kin
> buried there. It's the oldest in town and has many famous "residents" as
> well as being
> the only Macon cemetery for Confederate soldiers. Some fairly exotic
> tombstones add some
> flavor.
>
> Hope this is helpful and sorry I don't have more. I sort of felt like
> it was my "responsibility." May another on our page might have a
> handle on the North Carolina end.
>
> Good luck.
>
> John M. Poythress
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
> [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
> bspeth1
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:09 AM
> To: POYTHRESS@rootsweb.com
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Salina Poythress
>
> I'm looking for any information on my 4th great-grandmother, Salina
> Poythress, b. 1772 and
> died 1845 in Macon,Ga. She married a Hall, probably in Va. or N.C.. Her
> only surviving
> daughter was Susan Poythress Hall, b. 1792 in N.C. or Va. who married
> John Howard of
> Onslow, N.C. abt. 1812/13 in N.C.. This family is buried in Rose Hill
> Cemetery in Macon,
> Ga. I would appreciate hearing from anyone with any information on the
> ancestry of this
> family.
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress & John Peter Wagnon in Fla references 1793-1814Barbara P NealIn a Google search on "Bartolome Morales 1795" I found that Bartolome
Morales became the Acting Governor of Spanish Florida in 1795.

In a Google search on "Carlos Howard 1795 Florida" I found that Carlos
Howard was a Spanish officer who sent reports to Bartolome Morales about
Blacks & the Creek Indians.

Those references to Carlos Howard came from Google Book references in a
book "A New Order of Things: Property, Power, and the Transformation of
the Creek Indians, 1733-1816" by Claudio Saunt, published 1999. The
short blurb about the book says: "Claudio Saunt vividly depicts a
dramatic transformation in the eighteenth century that overturned the
world of the powerful and numerous Creek Indians and forever changed the
Deep South. As the Creeks amassed a fortune in cattle and slaves, new
property fostered a new possessiveness, and government by coercion bred
confrontation. A New Order of Things is the first book to chronicle this
decisive transformation in America's early history, a transformation
that left deep divisions between the wealthy and poor, powerful and
powerless."		01/01/2008 1:20:24
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress & John Peter Wagnon in Fla references 1793-1814Barbara P NealIn those references, San Nicolas was given as the location for the two
references in July 1795 to Poythress; and Fernandina was the 1814
location given for the item about Thomas Poythress' sale of a ship to
Jose Bergallo.

"San Nicolas" is identified as Fort San Nicolas "at the Cow Ford" -- And
the Cow Ford is identified as present-day Jacksonville. In 1795, French
Republicans captured Fort San Nicolas and held it briefly.

"Fernandina: Take I-95 north out of Jacksonville and get off at Yulee
heading on A1A east. The highway takes you over the Amelia River
Bridge. At Centre Street turn left and go down to the end to Britt's
Waterway Cafe at the marina where you can park. There is a sign near
here indicating that William Bartram traveled by this area. Fernandina
is located on Amelia Island along the coast, 32 miles north of
Jacksonville. The Island was named by General James Edward Oglethorpe
in honor of Princess Amelia, the daughter of King George II of England.
The Island is 13.5 miles long."

These location descriptions & associated info come from a website
"Discovering Jacksonville and the Surrounding Area: Historical Tours"
by Patrick L. Cooney, PhD, having daytrip destinations within a
chronological and historical order to increase enjoyment of the area
within a day's drive out and back from Jacksonville, Florida.
http://www.vernonjohns.org/nonracists/jxtofc.html		01/01/2008 3:17:17
[POYTHRESS] Poythress & John Peter Wagnon in Fla references 1793-1814Barbara P NealIn trying to catch up on some emails, I saw in Robert Davis' News List
message of 19 Dec 2007, the following reference to a helpful website,
which was submitted to Davis by Ken Thomas: A free everyname index to
the 128 microfilm reels of the East Florida Papers (1784-1821; available
at the Library of Congress and the University of Florida) is at:

http://web.uflib.ufl.edu/spec/pkyonge/eflapap.html

I searched that website on the spelling "Poythress." That search
revealed 8 hits, several of which involve GEORGE POYTHRESS and JOHN
PETER WAGNON (previously mentioned on our List). One of the hits
involves a Thomas Poythress in an 1814 reference. I tried to go back and
check on alternate Poythress spellings, but understandably the Univ of
FL website is quite busy today, with them playing in a Bowl Game.

It would be interesting to see the actual items that this index refers
to, from Florida long before statehood -- and even before it became a
U.S. Territory (1822, per Wikipedia) -- back when it was Spanish
Florida. The indexed items can apparently be viewed at the Univ of
Florida Library and at the Library of Congress, in Washington, DC.

If anyone can help clarify the locations mentioned here (other than St
Augustine, FL), I'd appreciate hearing where they are/were.

And if anyone knows who Carlos Howard & Bartolome Morales were, it would
be helpful in interpreting this info; perhaps Spanish military officers?

Square brackets below are mine; parentheses are from the website.
Barbara
= = = =
[1]
ID # 49740
Date December 23, 1793
Reel # 152
Provenance [blank]
Item # 1793-12
Section # 77
Location St. Augustine

slave Antonio AKA Antonio Colman solicits manumission
74p Savannah; Thomas Porter; John Peter Wagnon; Dr. Thomas Travers; Juan
Canard; John Hambly; George (Poythress); Noah Williams; William Wynn;
San Nicolas; Jorge Osguan; Jorge Clay; carpenter Joseph Oswald; Andres
(Kamel); Jorge Clarke; Juliana Bouve. Resolved July 13, 1799.

= = = = =
[2]
ID # 28510
Date January 30, 1795
Reel # 51
Provenance [blank]
Item # doc 1795-308-doc
Section # 32
Location St. Augustine

George Poythress
1p. Promise to deliver on 1 June to John Peter Wagnon $1,500 worth of
cattle and $500 worth of horses.

= = = = =
[3]
ID # 28727
Date May 28, 1795
Reel # 51
Provenance [blank]
Item # doc 1795-310-doc
Section # 32
Location St. Augustine

John Peter Wagon to (George Poythress)
1 1/2p. Sending Mr. Tally to assist in bringing horses and cattle to
Florida; money very scarce; needs horses and saddle; has money for
cattle; mentions John McQueen and Mr. Robinson.

= = = = =
[4]
ID # 28785
Date June 30, 1795
Reel # 51
Provenance [blank]
Item # doc 1795-368-doc
Section # 325
Location San Vizente

Carlos Howard to Bartolome Morales
4p. Enclosing letter from Pedro Carne indicating fall of Fuerte Juana;
Capts. Hall and Hollingsworth directed to raise residents around San
Nicolas and patrol to pursue the thieves; disposition of boats; shortage
of rations; cannon fire heard up river; Howard lacks boat to go where
needed; letter from Poythress.

= = = = =
[5]
ID # 28788
Date June 30, 1795
Reel # 51
Provenance [blank]
Item # doc 1795-371-doc
Section # 32
Location San Vizente

Carlos Howard to Bartolome Morales
3p. George Cook back from Georgia with one Poythress who wants to go to
St. Augustine to find buyers for cattle has brought to St. Marys River;
Cook's news from Georgia; mentions J. P. Wagnon.

= = = = =
[6]
ID # 28808
Date July 2, 1795
Reel # 52
Provenance [blank]
Item # doc 1795-384-doc
Section # 32
Location San Nicolas

Carlos Howard to Bartolome Morales
7 1/2p. Pedro Carne sent Georgian [sic] Poythress to Howard; Discusses
Poythress dealing with J. P. Wagnon to bring cattle to Florida and has
allowed him and Wagnon to go to St. Marys for cattle and explains why;
mentions George Cook, N. Hall and Jose Sumerlane; R. Lang said to be
Capt. of enemy expedition in Florida.

= = = = =
[7]
ID # 28812
Date July 3, 1795
Reel # 42
Provenance (blank)
Item # doc 1795-388-doc
Section # 325
Location San Nicolas
Carlos Howard to Bartolome Morales
4p. Militiaman across from San Nicolas surprised by Plowden Hampton,
Holly and Guilder; Plowden says Gen. Clark in Florida with 200 men
though information for Poythress contradicts this; Plowden swears
vengance particularly against J. Forrester and T. Stirling; Howard
believes Gen. Clark may lead expedition into Florida at Rolleston near
Lame Wiggens' place and if so can not bring artillery.

= = = = =
[8]
ID # 50660
Date February 4, 1814
Reel # 165
Provenance (blank)
Item # (blank)
Section # 81
Location Fernandina

Thomas Poythress to Jose Bergallo
Sale of the ship CAIO VAK (?).

= = = = =
Index to the East Florida Papers is a cooperative project of the
University of Florida and Flagler College, funded by the St. Augustine
Foundation.

Univ of Florida George A. Smathers Libraries
The University of Florida George A. Smathers Libraries provides Internet
access via its web pages to many materials and resources on the World
Wide Web. Some materials are available only to university faculty,
staff, and students while others are available to everyone. In addition,
the Library furnishes access to these and other information resources
from public computers located throughout the libraries. These systems
are available for legitimate academic purposes only...		01/01/2008 12:05:05
[POYTHRESS] American Heritage Mag - Winter 2008John M. PoythressFor anybody with 6 bucks burning a hole in your pocket, this

issue is a hit:



R. E. Lee memorabilia recovered from daughter Mary Lee's

trunk stored (lost) in a Richmond bank.



Discovery of Jamestown



Why Jamestown is important.



etc. etc.



Maynard		01/03/2008 10:19:20
Re: [POYTHRESS] American Heritage Mag - Winter 2008John M. PoythressJudy....it's not a "book" deal, just a magazine like
"Time" or "Newsweek".....guaranteed to be at your local
Borders or whatever. If you want to subscribe there are
the customary 27 reply cards stuffed inside.

Maynard

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Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] American Heritage Mag - Winter 2008

Maynard,
Do you have the address or phone number of the Heritage Book Store ?
Thanks,
Judy

-------------- Original message from "John M. Poythress" :
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> For anybody with 6 bucks burning a hole in your pocket, this
>
> issue is a hit:
>
>
>
> R. E. Lee memorabilia recovered from daughter Mary Lee's
>
> trunk stored (lost) in a Richmond bank.
>
>
>
> Discovery of Jamestown
>
>
>
> Why Jamestown is important.
>
>
>
> etc. etc.
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] American Heritage Mag - Winter 2008Maynard,
Do you have the address or phone number of the Heritage Book Store ?
Thanks,
Judy

-------------- Original message from "John M. Poythress" : --------------


> For anybody with 6 bucks burning a hole in your pocket, this
>
> issue is a hit:
>
>
>
> R. E. Lee memorabilia recovered from daughter Mary Lee's
>
> trunk stored (lost) in a Richmond bank.
>
>
>
> Discovery of Jamestown
>
>
>
> Why Jamestown is important.
>
>
>
> etc. etc.
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] American Heritage Mag - Winter 2008Thanks Maynard,
I will go by Borders today. Hope you and family are doing good.
We are all o.k, been cold here but warming up next week again.
Judy

-------------- Original message from "John M. Poythress" : --------------


> Judy....it's not a "book" deal, just a magazine like
> "Time" or "Newsweek".....guaranteed to be at your local
> Borders or whatever. If you want to subscribe there are
> the customary 27 reply cards stuffed inside.
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of
> scruggsjudy@bellsouth.net
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:17 AM
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] American Heritage Mag - Winter 2008
>
> Maynard,
> Do you have the address or phone number of the Heritage Book Store ?
> Thanks,
> Judy
>
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>
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> > For anybody with 6 bucks burning a hole in your pocket, this
> >
> > issue is a hit:
> >
> >
> >
> > R. E. Lee memorabilia recovered from daughter Mary Lee's
> >
> > trunk stored (lost) in a Richmond bank.
> >
> >
> >
> > Discovery of Jamestown
> >
> >
> >
> > Why Jamestown is important.
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> >
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[POYTHRESS] Hening's Statutes at LargeJohn M. PoythressEvery now and then we happen up on one of those great research endeavors

that some guy or gal is compiling in what only appears to be an act of love.



http://vagenweb.org/hening appears to be such a site. One Freddie Spradlin

is in the process of transcribing all 13 "Hening" volumes to this site. He's

currently on volume 10. Additionally, he provides his own index of surnames.



Hening's Statutes is something of a "required" reference for those searching

in Virginia genealogy and/or acts of the Virginia Legislature. The full title

is "Being a Collection of all the Laws of Virginia from the first session of

the Legislature in 1619" by William Waller Hening. The series concludes

with volume 13 covering the year 1792.



If one runs a search for Poythress on Spradlin's site it turns up 5 items,

each of which is an "act" for a specific purpose which usually runs to 4 or 5

pages of text to express the entire "act" of the legislature and, of course,

include the referenced Poythress individual(s).



Spradlin has a couple of technical problems. The orginal text contained

printed marginal notes which are difficult to deal with. Secondly, Spradlin

is transcribing from a "recent" (1969) re-compilation of the material which

includes an author's creative notes so Spradlin has some copyright limitations

and page number adjustments with respect to those notes. Still, Spradlin's html

format is a bit easier to read than the photocopied pages of the original work

in part because it appears to be 14 point type and is clearly plainer.



The identical items are shown on the Poythress data disk photocopied

from the original pages by Mr. Hening and the pages copied also cover

the entire legislative "act" involving the Poythress individual(s) to which

Mr. Swem's index leads us.



The two texts are identical so neither source appears to offer any great

advantage over the other except as a matter of personal preference. It's

likely the site's use to us would be to research various collateral individuals

and/or families involved or perhaps even the legislative act itself. However,

Spradlin's work seems slightly easier to work with as its index is

contemporary.



The "searchability" of Spradlin's site vs. having to refer constantly back to

Swem's printed index for the photocopies suggests to me to keep the

Spradlin site handy among my research sources.		01/09/2008 8:58:25
[POYTHRESS] Micharl TutorRandy JonesIf Michael Tutor is still a member of this group, please contact me. The email address I have for you is no longer valid.

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01/11/2008 5:50:24
[POYTHRESS] improvements to LVA website & Confederate pension for WL PoythressJulie CabittoI just made a discovery and wanted to share in case you didn't know. I recently tried to get on the LVA website and it said it was temporarily shut down for the weekend for maintenance and adding more user friendly options -and to check back soon.

I checked on the site last night. Now, right on the opening page of the website there's a Google search bar. Also if you go to "LVA catalogs basic search" It searches the whole website. I was trying to find a Jones WPA record, and you know how many hits Jones in VA would bring! So I typed "Jones Mecklenburg" (not even in quotes) and only results with Jones in Mecklenburg County showed up. I missed records trying to type in first names, so now on I only do surname searches, and then see how the first name was written, then check out the record to see if it's relative. The chancery search screens have greatly improved too. You can search by county or region. And more counties are up than there was last time I checked. I re-did some previous searches and there is so much more info available than searches I did 6 months ago. This LVA catalogue basic search screen brings up newspaper articles, military info, newspaper searches, WPA reports on houses or people etc. Still may want to separately try surnames in the wills and chancery section just to make sure you don't miss something. And if those screens are easier to get to. You can just type wills or chancery in the search bars and it takes you right to the search screens. It used to take 4-5 screens to navigate to that point. So happily the site is way more user friendly now!!

I've done Poythress searches before and not seen the Confederate pension of WL Poythress, but I did find it today. This WL Poythress is father of Foxhall Poythress and son of Thomas M. Poythress. If you would like me to email you the pension, send me an email. It's 4 pages in TIFF file, totaling about 200 KB, so pretty small file.
Love, Julie		01/17/2008 4:30:24
Re: [POYTHRESS] improvements to LVA website & Confederate pension for WL PoythressBarbara P NealThanks, Julie, for alerting us to the improvements -
Barbara



01/17/2008 6:15:23
Re: [POYTHRESS] Cemetery'sPoythress Cemetery's
Looking for other Poythress family who has family members buried in
Northampton Co NC or Greenville Co VA. I found that some of the old cemetery's had
been plowed up or destroyed. Trying to save what is left. So if you have family
members who are buried there please contact me.
One of the Cemetery's that had been plowed up is now owned by JB Ligion
Greenville Co VA. Other names with the Poythress I am looking for is
Turner.
Bass.
Garner
Jarrell.
Scott..
Some of the Poythress who live in Petersburg VA and Wilson NC do not know
they are related to the ones in Gaston NC. If you are some of these groups
contact me.
Thank you.
Dora Turner-Nash
Northampton Co NC



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Re: [POYTHRESS] Cemetery'sBarbara P NealThanks, Dora, for the alert and for your work trying to save what's
still there. I forwarded a copy of your message to a couple of people in
case they aren't currently getting our Poythress-List messages.
Hopefully you'll hear from them, if you haven't already.

If you, Dora, are a Poythress descendant, I'd be glad to learn who your
Poythress ancestor was. I have collected some info on the various
Poythress people there earlier.

Barbara

1/17/08 CrystKnk4@aol.com wrote:
> Poythress Cemetery's
> Looking for other Poythress family who has family members buried in
> Northampton Co NC or Greenville Co VA. I found that some of the old cemetery's had
> been plowed up or destroyed. Trying to save what is left. So if you have family
> members who are buried there please contact me.
> One of the Cemetery's that had been plowed up is now owned by JB Ligion
> Greenville Co VA. Other names with the Poythress I am looking for is
> Turner.
> Bass.
> Garner
> Jarrell.
> Scott.
> Some of the Poythress who live in Petersburg VA and Wilson NC do not know
> they are related to the ones in Gaston NC. If you are some of these groups
> contact me.
>
> Thank you.
> Dora Turner-Nash
> Northampton Co NC		01/19/2008 9:17:35
[POYTHRESS] Having a little problem joiningnancy netterDear Poythress@rootsweb,

I tried through your site to get on the mailing list,
but would just get my sign in page for Yahoo. So, I am
mailing you directly.

I am a desendant of Benjamin Poythress (1808-1865) of
Petersburg, Va., his son George A. Poythress (May
1849-aft.1900) and his daughter Alice Magnolia
Poythress (1890-Mar 4, 1922).

I would like to join the group and exchange
information.

Sincerely,

Nancy J. Netter
njnetter@yahoo.com


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Re: [POYTHRESS] Having a little problem joiningJohn M. PoythressNancy.....delighted that you are interested.

Click on this hot link: www.Poythress.net

At the bottom of the column running down the left hand
simply click on "regular messages" and a "pre-addressed"
screen will pop up with the cursor on the "subject"...
click once to get down into the "message" part of the
email and type "subscribe" (without the quotes) and you're
on. You don't even have to sign the thing.

If you have not been to that home page before note that the
subjects in the "bar" at the top have subtitles underneath
them when you run your cursor over them.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Maynard Poythress for Poythress List

-----Original Message-----
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nancy netter
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 4:06 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Having a little problem joining

Dear Poythress@rootsweb,

I tried through your site to get on the mailing list,
but would just get my sign in page for Yahoo. So, I am
mailing you directly.

I am a desendant of Benjamin Poythress (1808-1865) of
Petersburg, Va., his son George A. Poythress (May
1849-aft.1900) and his daughter Alice Magnolia
Poythress (1890-Mar 4, 1922).

I would like to join the group and exchange
information.

Sincerely,

Nancy J. Netter
njnetter@yahoo.com


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[POYTHRESS] Test message for NancyBarbara P NealNancy, if you get this message it means that you are subscribed and will
get all the List messages. You can respond to any/all of them by just
hitting "Reply"

Please hit "Reply" and confirm you got this message, so we can all tell
whether or not you are really subscribed to the List, and are seeing
messages from us.

Thanks, and again Welcome -
Barbara



02/25/2008 3:08:56
[POYTHRESS] Benjamin Poythress, Petersburg & son GeoBarbara P NealNancy, I trust you saw Maynard's response yesterday, since it looks to
me from your 2/22 message that your message indeed came to us through
the mailing list. By the fact that the POYTHRESS name shows in brackets
in the subject line of your message, and the "Reply-to" line shows the
mailing list address, those are both assurances that it's working.

Welcome! I'm so glad you've joined us. Our mailing list has been very
slow on numbers of messages in the last year.

I would greatly appreciate learning from you more about Benjamin
Poythress (1808-1865) of Petersburg, VA, and his son George A.
Poythress. I've seen from someone earlier that Benjamin married Susan
Mary Williams in July 1848, and that Benjamin's father's name was Gideon
Poythress. Gideon is in the 1830 Southampton Co, VA Census, listed as
age 40-49.

However I have no further info about Gideon. Have you any info you can
share about Benjamin's parents?

Regarding Benjamin's son George A. Poythress, who you noted lived from
May 1849 to after 1900: I had previously known George's name, but had
no dates for his life. One of our mailing list members, Julie Cabitto,
shared her finding from "The Petersburg Index & Appeal" of an article
from film #106, (I think this was at the Library of Virginia in
Richmond), which article I've transcribed in full as reading:

"Married
Poythress-Davis - At the Virginia House, Christiansburg, Va, September
16th, 1876, by the Rev. Daniel Blair, pastor Presbyterian Church, Prof.
George Alexander Poythress, of Petersburg, Va., to Ella May Davis, of
Galveston, Texas. No cards."

Your message was the first info I've seen about any child of George A.
Poythress and Ella May Davis. I'm glad to learn of daughter Alice
Magnolia Poythress (1890-Mar 4, 1922), and I'm very curious to learn
whether Alice had any siblings? If so, what can you tell me about them?

Hoping to learn more about this family descended from Benjamin, and
about Benjamin's parents, to help fit this line in with other Poythress
lines -
Barbara Poythress Neal		02/25/2008 7:59:47
Re: [POYTHRESS] Test message for Nancynancy netterBarbara,

I received your Test Message!

Nancy Netter
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02/25/2008 11:08:18
Re: [POYTHRESS] Test message for NancyBarbara P NealGlad you got the message, Nancy.

Would you like me to post to this Poythress-List a copy of the info you
sent me off-List yesterday re the family of George A. Poythress, son of
Benjamin Poythress of Petersburg? If so, I'll be glad to.

Barbara



02/26/2008 3:59:23
[POYTHRESS] Desendants of Bejamin Poythressnancy netterHello,

I am going to post what I have on Benjamin Poythress
of Petersburg, Virginia (1808-1865). I must credit
Drew Weeks posting for his burial and plot location
dated Jul 29, 1998.

Descendants of Benjamin Poythress


Generation No. 1

1. BENJAMIN1 POYTHRESS was born 1808 in Southampton,
Virginia, and died 26 Jul 1865 in Petersburg,
Virginia. He married SUSAN MARY WILLIAMS 13 Jul 1848.
She was born 08 Apr 1825 in Petersburg, Virginia, and
died 18 Nov 1877 in Petersburg, Virginia.

More About BENJAMIN POYTHRESS:
Burial: Square 2, Section 44 Ward D, old grounds,
Blankford Cemetary, Petersburg, Virginia
Residence: 1860, Petersburg Centre Ward, Petersburg
(Independent City), Virginia

Children of BENJAMIN POYTHRESS and SUSAN WILLIAMS are:
2. i. GEORGE A2 POYTHRESS, b. May 1849, Petersburg,
Virginia.
ii. JOHN WILLIAMS POYTHRESS, b. 1851, Petersburg,
Virginia.
iii. VIRGINIA ALICE POYTHRESS, b. 1853, Petersburg,
Virginia.
iv. MARY ELLEN POYTHRESS, b. 1856, Petersburg,
Virginia.
v. BENJAMIN FRANKLIN POYTHRESS, b. 1858, Petersburg,
Virginia.
vi. SUSAN FRANCES POYTHRESS, b. 1860, Petersburg,
Virginia; d. 1887; m. WILLIAM LEWIS TYUS, 27 Oct 1881,
Weldon, North Carolina.
vii. LAURA MAGNOLIA POYTHRESS, b. 1863, Petersburg,
Virginia.


Generation No. 2

2. GEORGE A2 POYTHRESS (BENJAMIN1) was born May 1849
in Petersburg, Virginia. He married ELLAN M DAVIS 14
Sep 1876 in Montgomery County, VA. She was born Jun
1859 in Ohio.

More About GEORGE A POYTHRESS:
Military: 20 Jun 1861, Virginia
Residence: 1860, Petersburg Centre Ward, Petersburg
(Independent City), Virginia

More About ELLAN M DAVIS:
Residence: 1900, Lynchburg Ward 1, Lynchburg City,
Virginia

Children of GEORGE POYTHRESS and ELLAN DAVIS are:
i. GEORGE D3 POYTHRESS, b. Jul 1878, Virginia.

More About GEORGE D POYTHRESS:
Residence: 1900, Lynchburg Ward 1, Lynchburg City,
Virginia

ii. CLARA I POYTHRESS, b. Feb 1880, Virginia.

More About CLARA I POYTHRESS:
Residence: 1900, Lynchburg Ward 1, Lynchburg City,
Virginia

iii. HARRY A POYTHRESS, b. 27 Jul 1881, Lynchburg,
Virginia; d. 03 Jan 1949.

More About HARRY A POYTHRESS:
Residence: 1900, Lynchburg Ward 1, Lynchburg City,
Virginia


I still have a lot to do as far writing my notes in
the individual files, example information recorded in
the census records.

I look forward to finding someone who has a
connection.

Nancy Netter


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[POYTHRESS] RootsWeb moving to Ancestry & change of address for all RootsWeb stuffBe sure to read all the way through the below info, from Dick Eastman's online newsletter 3/14/08:

March 13, 2008
RootsWeb to be Moved to Ancestry.com
The following was written by Tim Sullivan, CEO of The Generations Network, Inc. and is posted here at the RootsWeb blog: http://blogs.rootsweb.com/newsroom/

As you know, The Generations Network has hosted and funded the RootsWeb online community since June 2000, thereby maintaining RootsWeb as the world’s oldest and largest free genealogy website. TGN remains committed to this mission and believes that RootsWeb is an absolutely invaluable and complementary resource to Ancestry.com, our flagship commercial family history site. We believe in both services and want to see both communities prosper and grow.

As part of this goal, we have decided to “transplant” RootsWeb onto the Ancestry.com domain beginning next week. This move will not change the RootsWeb experience or alter the ease of navigation to or within RootsWeb. RootsWeb will remain a free online experience. What will be different is that the Web address for all RootsWeb pages will change from www.rootsweb.com to www.rootsweb.ancestry.com. Again, the RootsWeb experience is not changing.

The decision to host RootsWeb on Ancestry.com is being made for one primary reason: we believe that the users of each of our two main websites can be better served if they have access to the best services available on both. Simply stated, we want to introduce more Ancestry.com users to RootsWeb and vice versa.

Today, despite the fact that Ancestry.com and RootsWeb.com are the two most frequently visited family history sites on the Web, only 25 percent of visitors to Ancestry.com visited RootsWeb in January 2008, while only 20 percent of visitors to RootsWeb visited Ancestry.com (according to Comscore Media Metrix). We think we will serve our users best by doing a better job of letting them know what is available on both Ancestry.com and RootsWeb. Hosting RootsWeb on Ancestry.com is the first step towards making this happen, but we will absolutely look for more and better ways down the road to advance this goal.

Hosting RootsWeb on Ancestry.com will also make it easier for us to make changes and improvements to the RootsWeb experience in the future.

All old RootsWeb URLs will continue to work, whether they are bookmarks or favorites, links to or from a hosted page or URLs manually typed in your Internet browser. We will have a redirect in place so that all old URLs will automatically end up on the appropriate new RootsWeb URL. You will never need to update your old favorites or links unless you want to. We have worked to make the transition as seamless as possible for our users, and this change should have a minimal impact on your experience with the site.

RootsWeb will remain a free online experience dedicated to providing you with a place where our community can find their roots together. If you have questions regarding this change please email them to feedback@rootsweb.com.

Thanks,

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[POYTHRESS] VA combined libraries' finding aidsThis website:
http://lib.virginia.edu/small/vhp/

for Virginia Heritage is "a database of guides, or finding aids, describing archives and manuscripts in eleven repositories in the Commonwealth of Virginia. The participating institutions are: the University of Virginia, the College of William and Mary, George Mason University, the Library of Virginia, Old Dominion University, Virginia Commonwealth University, the Virginia Historical Society, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, the Virginia Military Institute, Virginia State University, and Washington and Lee University. At present, there are 1600 finding aids in the database. The full text of the finding aids is searchable by keyword and by individual institution."

Searching it gives links to the institutions, and in which manuscript collection title there, your search-term appears.

The "Conditions of Use" at the two institutions I checked from there, both specifically say (among other restrictions) that "Users may not download these guides and/or associated images in order to mount them on their own servers for public use, or for use by a set of subscribers."

My search there just now: for "poythress" within Full Text found 6 works, some of which we're already familiar with. To the left side of the webpage, after getting some matches such as these, one can then click on "Contents List."

Batte, R. Bolling, Papers, 1918-1992: #35260 : 21 matches
Library of Virginia
[Note: we're familiar with these papers already]

Flowerdew Hundred Papers, 1673-1893: #28758 : 19 matches
Library of Virginia
[Note: we're familiar with these papers already]

Clark, Adele Goodman Papers: #M9 : 3 matches
Virginia Commonwealth University James Branch Cabell Library
[Note: the linked page gives this date span for these papers: "n.d. 1849-1968" Perhaps this woman, Adele Goodman Clark, whose papers these were, was kin to some of our subscribers who are also related to the CLARK family line.]

Marriage Bond, 1759 Feb 27.: #MS 1985.1 : 2 matches
Colonial Williamsburg Foundation::John D. Rockefeller, Jr. Library

Seibel, Fred O., Cartoonist's Research Collection, 1920-1968: #2531 through 2531-f : 1 matches
University of Virginia Library
[Note: I feel sure this would be a cartoon created by BPW's uncle, who was a published cartoonist, though "poythress" is not found by my computer on the Contents List for this item]

: # : 1 matches
College of William and Mary Earl Gregg Swem Library
[Note: this turns out to be Wyndham Robertson's book on Pocahontas]		03/15/2008 11:14:02
[POYTHRESS] Finding archived news & court case info on GoogleA tip from Alabama Genealogical Society's newsletter:
At Google's homepage, click "News" and then click "News Archives Search." Type in a name to search for & you may get a wealth of hits to articles that have been archived by various news organizations & court case aggregators. Clicking on a hit, you'll likely get just the headline or a lead sentence, but it's usually enough to let you decide if you want to buy the full article, or find a library where you can browse the referenced newspaper by title and date of issue. You can use the advanced search feature to narrow the date range of your search.

Just tried it briefly before sending this tip. "Poythress" has 2,550 hits, not in chronological order, but 1943-2001 showing in the first few hits.		03/17/2008 7:19:04
[POYTHRESS] Poythress Farm in Mecklenburg, VAJulie CabittoHello,
Just wanted to share something I found today. I heard (from I think Barbara or Carol Corker??) That an article was written about Foxhall Poythress land on the farming. I can't find that note I made, so I'm not really sure if this is the same article I was told about. Bummer I misplaced that note...Anyhow...
This article was written 23 Jun 1949 in the Halifax Gazette. It's written about the plan for a future date of July 14th.

It talks about "Poythress Farm on Rt 619" which is Nellie Jones Rd. This is the first time I've actually heard of this farm "officially referenced" as "Poythress Farm". The land discussed in the article would be Foxhall Poythress land, and his wife Annie May (Kidd) Poythress would've still been living at the time of the article. The article is titled "Soil District Observes 10th Year July 14th."
So on this day, the plan was to watch a movie called "Dirt Cheap" about soil conservation. It was filmed at "Poythress Farm". The movie was "a moving picture in color and with sound track". Dr. Bennet would give the speech, the movie would be played, and then the "audience would adjourn to Poythress farm." Church and community would serve lunch at a nominal cost. A tour of the farm would begin at 1:00 PM. "The complete farm plan for soil and water conservation prepared for the Poythress farm is now showing good results."
I have a scanned image of it, and it's 780 KB, if you'd like me to email you a copy, send me an email.

I found this on Footnote.com. It is a paid subscription, and I am seriously impressed with the search engine, and how you can narrow down your searches etc. (I've been using the Beta search screen) It is a good quality scan of the newspaper. On the website page there's a place to email the image to someone, but because of list limitations, I downloaded it, wanted to tell you about it and I'll send you a copy if interested.
Love, Julie Cabitto		03/24/2008 6:10:23
[POYTHRESS] another Mecklenburg VA Poythress articleJulie CabittoI found another article about Poythress in Mecklenburg Co., VA. It's not as cool as the farming one and it is about a Poythress being sued. But it does tell that two Poythress are brothers.
This article was In "The Gazette" 7 Sep 1967.
It's the front page, and then continued on pg. 6. I did download this article too if anyone would like a copy of it.
A Mr. Jones sues Mecklenburg County for wrongly being arrested. It is a racial story. "South Hill Police Chief Jackson L. Poythress, brother of one of the defendants, said the incident described by Jones had been thoroughly investigated and that no misconduct by the law officers had been found."
I'm not sure who Jackson L. Poythress is a descendant of. But according to the article, he is police chief of South Hill and his brother Jesse F. Poythress is a police officer. Mr. Jones sues 50,000$ from each defendant and 150,000$ from the town of South Hill.

(I have not yet found the article showing the outcome of the trial, or if it even went to full court.)
Love, Julie Cabitto		03/24/2008 7:45:52
[POYTHRESS] Poythress Demonstration Farm in Mecklenburg, VAThanks, Julie, for letting us know about the 23 Jun 1949 article from the Halifax Gazette. How neat to know there was a film made of the whole operation a year earlier, using the Poythress farm as a Demonstration Project.

My original article to this List about the earlier articles was in a message dated 11 Sep 2007, captioned "Foxhall Poythress farm in 1948 was 1-day demonstration project" That message included notes taken from the Richmond Times-Dispatch newspaper articles published between March 21 and March 31, 1948 in Richmond, Virginia.

Anyone wanting to read my earlier posting, can go to our Poythress list's Message Archives. There is a link across the top of our Poythress research page, which is located at:

www.poythress.net/

Run your cursor across the top of that page, where it has "Message Archives" and you can either search by keyword (such as Demonstration Farm) or by month and year, since you know my message was on 11 Sep 2007.

Barbara		03/25/2008 9:02:07
[POYTHRESS] Poythress articlesHi Julie,

Thanks so much for the info about the two articles you found re Poythresses.

Yes, I would like to get copies of both the 1949 one on the Poythress Farm, and the 1967 one mentioning the South Hill Police Chief.

Hope all is going well with you and yours.

Thanks!
Barbara
bp_neal@earthlink.net		03/25/2008 9:04:51
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress articlesHi Julie, I didn't get your email with the attachment of the article(s), so apparently the email was too big for my internet service provider to allow to pass thru to me. Please try a separate email with just one article attached.

You asked if I know which Poythress line the South Hill police chief and his brother are from. No, but I'm copying our Poythress List on this, with what I can offer. We might get the help of someone else in answering that question.

I recall Lyn Baird mentioning he had been aware of a policeman in South Hill, but I don't think he knew who that Poythress was related to, either.

I do not see any Jackson L. Poythress in my database.

As far as Jesse F. Poythress, the only possible match I have is this info, for whom I have NO family members (no parents, no wife, no siblings):

In Oakwood Cemetery in South Hill, VA is a marker for:
Jesse Floyd Poythress
12 Jun 1940
9 May 1984

The person who read that marker also listed these other Poythresses in the same Oakwood Cemetery, so possibly these are kin to Jesse. I have NO family members for any of these, and do not know how any of them may be related to each other.

James H "Poke," b. 14 Aug 1926; d.10 Nov 1970
Thomas H, b.19 Apr 1897; d.9 Oct 1974
Emma Sue B, b.23 Jul 1903; d.29 Apr 1979
Charles L., b.27 Dec 1894; d.21 Nov 1976

None of those names are familiar to me.

Cheers, Barbara		03/25/2008 10:30:52
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress Demonstration Farm in Mecklenburg, VAJulie CabittoGood to know. So it was the Richmond Times, and I found it in the Halifax
Gazette. When I can ever get to LVA, I may have to check that date to see if
anything was written the day of the activity, or if there were any pictures
taken.
I'm so glad you told me where I heard it from, so I can stop trying to
remember 🙂 And even better that it's in the archives.
Love, Julie

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From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 4:02 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Poythress Demonstration Farm in Mecklenburg, VA


> Thanks, Julie, for letting us know about the 23 Jun 1949 article from the
> Halifax Gazette. How neat to know there was a film made of the whole
> operation a year earlier, using the Poythress farm as a Demonstration
> Project.
>
> My original article to this List about the earlier articles was in a
> message dated 11 Sep 2007, captioned "Foxhall Poythress farm in 1948 was
> 1-day demonstration project" That message included notes taken from the
> Richmond Times-Dispatch newspaper articles published between March 21 and
> March 31, 1948 in Richmond, Virginia.
>
> Anyone wanting to read my earlier posting, can go to our Poythress list's
> Message Archives. There is a link across the top of our Poythress research
> page, which is located at:
>
> www.poythress.net/
>
> Run your cursor across the top of that page, where it has "Message
> Archives" and you can either search by keyword (such as Demonstration
> Farm) or by month and year, since you know my message was on 11 Sep 2007.
>
> Barbara
>
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> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> quotes in the subject and the body of the message		03/25/2008 11:31:09
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress articlesJulie CabittoI sent them to you in the email titled "another Poythress article". I just
cropped the actual article, because the whole page is abt 7MB. If they
didn't come through OK, let me know, and I'll resend it.
Do you know which Poythress family this is part of? Did you know a more
recent Poythress was a police chief in South Hill? I hadn't heard that
before, but found it interesting because further back in the Mecklenburg, VA
Poythress line --another Poythress was a sheriff, so it must be in the
blood, right ? 🙂
Love, Julie

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 4:04 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Poythress articles


> Hi Julie,
>
> Thanks so much for the info about the two articles you found re
> Poythresses.
>
> Yes, I would like to get copies of both the 1949 one on the Poythress
> Farm, and the 1967 one mentioning the South Hill Police Chief.
>
> Hope all is going well with you and yours.
>
> Thanks!
> Barbara
> bp_neal@earthlink.net
>
>
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> quotes in the subject and the body of the message		03/25/2008 11:35:21
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress articlesBryan PoythressAccording to the 1930 census, Thomas and Emma are
linked (married?) and James is one of their children.
Perhaps Jesse and Jackson are also children of this
couple, just not born yet. Just speculation of course.
Below is the record.

Mecklenburg County
HH 66 - Chase City Dist., sheet 3B, ED 9, 5 Apr.

Poythress, Thomas H. , rents $6 monthly, male, white,
age 31, married at age 24, VA,VA,VA, chauffer/tractor,
wage

, Emma S. , wife, female, white, age 25,
married at age 28, VA,VA,VA

, Bernice R. , daughter, female, white, age 4
11/12, VA,VA,VA

, James H. , son, male, white, age 3 7/12,
VA,VA,VA

Bryan




Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:30:52 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
From: bp_neal@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress articles
To: Julie Cabitto
Cc: Poythress List
Message-ID:


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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Hi Julie, I didn't get your email with the attachment
of the
article(s), so apparently the email was too big for
my internet service provider
to allow to pass thru to me. Please try a separate
email with just one
article attached.

You asked if I know which Poythress line the South
Hill police chief
and his brother are from. No, but I'm copying our
Poythress List on this,
with what I can offer. We might get the help of
someone else in
answering that question.

I recall Lyn Baird mentioning he had been aware of a
policeman in South
Hill, but I don't think he knew who that Poythress
was related to,
either.

I do not see any Jackson L. Poythress in my database.


As far as Jesse F. Poythress, the only possible match
I have is this
info, for whom I have NO family members (no parents,
no wife, no
siblings):

In Oakwood Cemetery in South Hill, VA is a marker for:
Jesse Floyd Poythress
12 Jun 1940
9 May 1984

The person who read that marker also listed these
other Poythresses in
the same Oakwood Cemetery, so possibly these are kin
to Jesse. I have
NO family members for any of these, and do not know
how any of them may
be related to each other.

James H "Poke," b. 14 Aug 1926; d.10 Nov 1970
Thomas H, b.19 Apr 1897; d.9 Oct 1974
Emma Sue B, b.23 Jul 1903; d.29 Apr 1979
Charles L., b.27 Dec 1894; d.21 Nov 1976

None of those names are familiar to me.

Cheers, Barbara		03/26/2008 4:20:51
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress articlesThanks, Bryan! Glad you thought to check the Census info (and sorry I didn't think to do so).
Cheers, Barbara



03/27/2008 2:14:01
[POYTHRESS] Item from Brock CollectionJohn M. PoythressThe Brock Collection is an assortment of about 75,000 VA colonial documents

bought by a Mr. Brock from some Virginian who came by them somehow and decided to sell
them many years ago. Mr. Brock put them in the Huntington Museum/Library in CA and the
Huntington people for a very long time refused access to them by any other than "scholars"
who had to meet all sorts of whacky criteria to gain admittance.



As reprehensible as this conduct was on the part of Mr. Brock, the library, and/or the guy
who sold the documents in the first place (and all 3 of them

may not be guilty but someone is) the landscape has changed over recent years. I am told
that for an exorbitant fee Huntington finally condescended to

let the LVA at least photocopy all that stuff and the LVA has it, presumably on microfilm.



At some point along this continuum, Mr. Beverley Fleet, a VA genealogist of note,
inventoried the documents and the list got put on Heritage Quest (accessible from many
libraries). The only Poythress document specifically cited:



"BR Misc. file: Poythress, Francis. Answer to Bill of Complaint brought by John Allen.
1738/9 Jan 27"



Has anyone run across this document and transcribed it?



Thanks,



Maynard		03/29/2008 11:32:41
[POYTHRESS] John Allen vs Francis Poythress, Jan 1738/39 in PG Co, VAThe document listed in Beverley Fleet's "Virginia Colonial Abstracts" as being a miscellaneous file composed of 3 leaves in the Brock Collection, "having Francis Poythress' Answer to Bill of Complaint brought by John Allen, 1738/39 January 27, BR (Brock Collection), Box 256" is a document that I obtained a photocopy of, for my research. Under the restrictions of obtaining that copy, I am now sending a letter to The Huntington Library asking for permission to publish my transcription of the entire 3 leaves. If that permission is granted, I will let you know further.

In the meantime under the restrictions, I cannot quote from the document. I can, and I do here below, further describe what was going on, as shown by the document's many run-on sentences.

I recall reading that the Library of Virginia has microfilm copies of the documents contained in the Brock Collection, so anyone wishing to examine the 3 leaves can do so there. Today I was unsuccessful in locating the exact reference in the LVA collections listing online, to the Brock Collection, mainly because LVA holds so much from Brock.

Also, please be aware that while I was in Richmond last May, at the Library of Virginia Archival Manuscripts room, I sought any further documents in this case, which would have logically been handled by the Chancery Court for Prince George County, Virginia. I was assured by the archivist that no further documents of the apparent suit have been located. This is not surprising, since few Prince George documents survive.

In looking at at Prince George County, VA's extant records abstracted by Benjamin Weisiger, we already know that William Poythress and Francis Poythress were executors for John Fitzgerald, deceased, and that various entries were made in the PG Co Minute Books regarding their efforts to collect on debts that were owed to Fitzgerald when he died. The 3 leaves in this document show further background on Fitzgerald's situation.

The easier leaf of these three leaves, is just a small slip of paper, apparently written by and signed by Francis Poythress on 11 May 1736 directing Colonel John Allen to pay 80 lbs of tobacco to Captain Avent.

The other two pages (apparently front & back of the same sheet) are on legal-size paper and are closely covered with small clerkly-looking handwriting in one long 2-page document. Per the bottom of the second side, it was copied by the Clerk of the Court for Prince George Co, VA. Thus this longer document is not in Francis' handwriting, and indeed the handwriting is different from that on the above-mentioned small slip of paper.

This longer document is, as Beverley Fleet noted, the answer of Francis Poythress to a Bill of Complaint brought against him by John Allen, a gentleman. It was sworn to in PG Co Court on 27 January 1738/39.

In his answer, Francis explained that in 1725 Allen (the complainant), Nathaniel Harrison Esquire, Philip Ludwell Esquire, and William Edwards, a gentleman, became partners trading in tobacco and other commodities. They sent for various merchandise from Great Britain and employed John Fitzgerald as factor to sell and buy for them. Soon afterward, Fitzgerald purchased Edwards' share. Ludwell's share was purchased by a London merchant, James Bradley (who was by 1738/39 deceased). Fitzgerald, Bradley, Harrison, and Allen (the complainant) carried on the trade for some years.

In Oct 1732 Fitzgerald died without leaving any acounting to John Allen (the complainant). William Poythress and Francis Poythress were appointed Fitzgerald's executors. Fitzgerald was described in the document as being uncle and good friend of Francis Poythress. No relationship was spelled out between William Poythress and either Francis Poythress or John Fitzgerald.

Francis was aware that Fitzgerald owed Bradley in England. Francis wanted Allen to advise Bradley to place an agreed-upon allowance between Allen and the other partners to the credit of Fitzgerald's account for such debts that Francis should receive collection for. Francis expected no reward for his trouble beyond his expenses, and he expected only a usual commission, but he never promised he'd be able to collect all the outstanding debts. Francis collected many debts; he assured that he had not been guilty of neglect; and he assured that he'd always been willing to settle Allen's account.		03/30/2008 2:36:42
[POYTHRESS] Virginia genealogy blogThanks to Dick Eastman's genealogy newsletter posting of March 29, 2008 for the following info:

March 29, 2008
Arlene Eakle’s Virginia Genealogy Blog
Arlene Eakle is a prolific genealogy writer with more than 90 titles completed. She has been writing a general-purpose genealogy blog at http://www.arleneeakle.com/wordpress for nearly two years now. Now Arlene has started a Virginia genealogy blog.

Arlene is an expert in tracing ancestors from the Southern States, including the Appalachian Triangle – southwest Virginia, northeast North Carolina, southeast Kentucky, and east Tennessee. She is also the president and founder of The Genealogical Institute, Inc., and a professional genealogist since 1962. She holds both MA and Ph.D. degrees in English History from the University of Utah and an Associate degree in Nursing from Weber State University. She was one of the founders and original trustees of the Association of Professional Genealogists, serving as president from 1980 to1982 and as editor of the APG Newsletter and Green Sheet from 1982 to1985.

Arlene’s new Virginia Genealogy blog is off to a great start. Some of the articles posted there include:

Virginia Tax and Rent Rolls: A Checklist of Evidence
Are your Virginia Ancestors Scots or Scots-Irish?
Tuckahoes and Cohees/Cohoes: The Scots-Irish, Ulster Scots, Anglo Scots, Ulster Irish
More Virginia Legalities that Affect your Genealogy Success!
The Four Goff Brothers of Western Virginia: A New Perspective on their Lives
Arlene Eakle’s Virginia Genealogy Research Notebooks
Virginia Origins in Southwestern England?
“Virginia is for Lovers” of genealogy…
If you have an interest in Virginia Genealogy, you will want to add Arlene Eakle’s Virginia Genealogy blog to your reading list. Go to: http://virginiagenealogyblog.com.

Posted by Dick Eastman on March 29, 2008		03/30/2008 10:09:31
[POYTHRESS] PS re John Allen vs Francis Poythress, Jan 1738/39 in PG Co, VAI forgot to assure you that the Huntington Library stated they held no further Poythress documents, and no further documents in this case (which they noted was not unusual for the Brock Collection was composed of many single-items having nothing to do with each other).



03/31/2008 4:29:57
Re: [POYTHRESS] PS re John Allen vs Francis Poythress, Jan 1738/39 in PG Co, VAJohn M. Poythress It occurred to me that one out of 75,000 might be a
little light but who in the world would not take Beverley
Fleet's word for it. His stuff you can take to the bank.
Thanks for the clarification.

Maynard

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I forgot to assure you that the Huntington Library stated they held no further Poythress
documents, and no further documents in this case (which they noted was not unusual for the
Brock Collection was composed of many single-items having nothing to do with each other).

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Re: [POYTHRESS] John Allen vs Francis Poythress, Jan 1738/39 in PG Co, VAJohn M. PoythressThanks, Barb. While it will be nice to have the text for
the database, what you have provided is certainly comprehensive
enough for the purpose I intended which was to discover just
which combination of "a Francis and a William" were executors
settling all those accounts for John FitzGerrald (the way the
clerk spelled it most of the time). FitzGerrald died in 1738
and it seems like he had some kind of "account" (usually as the
creditor) with half the people in PG county.

I had a chance to scan that microfilm once more over at the KY
Hist. Assn. last week and it appears I may have missed some on
the scan I did eons ago in Houston.

By my new count there were at least 19 people involved who owed a
settlement to the FitzGerrald estate. The amounts weren't big sums
of money but it looks like Francis and William did a conscientious
job of rounding them up and pursuing the deal. I was left with the general impression
that these weren't particularly "hostile"
lawsuits but that William and Francis (Francis did most of the
heavy lifting) were getting the court to make the "orders" as much
as an administrative proposition as anything. There was, of course,
some element of "disputation" in the things because in a few
instances the court ordered the "defendant" to only pay a fraction
of what William and/or Francis had asked for.

I have a speculation that while John FitzGerrald was indeed
likely a "good friend" of Francis' he was more likely to have been
his brother in law than his uncle. In trying to figure out which
combination of William-Francis were the ones involved I'd be
inclined to guess that William was RBB 25 and Francis (his brother)
was the first son of John RBB 2 that didn't get on Batte's chart
because he was not specifically named in John RBB 2's will (I'm told this was not unusual
in primogeniture wills).

The ages are right with John FitzGerrald documented as dying in
1738, leaving Elizabeth (Poythress) his widow who was the sister
of both William RBB 2 and Francis (No RBB #) and virtually all
the suits were in 1738 and 39.

I'm further inclined to that point because I can't seem to find
a Francis to be a nephew of John FitzGerrald (although granted,
it's awfully easy to miss a Francis here or there among that crowd).
Going into the next generation actually looking for a John
FitzGerrald nephew produces a William (RBB 211 2) but no Francis.

I guess my reason for wanting to separate all these Francis'es
is the notion that when we get over into that Francis (RBB 4)
line and tease out the ones in that line we'll ultimately find
ourselves (if we're gonna do it at all). That is, if we take Mr.
Batte at his word on William (RBB 281 5) that "As William left
no male issue the Poythress name became extinct as to his branch
[i.e., John RBB2] with the death of his only daughter." Hard
as that is to believe, I'm rarely inclined to doubt Mr. Batte.

Does anyone have a different take on it?

Maynard

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Subject: [POYTHRESS] John Allen vs Francis Poythress, Jan 1738/39 in PG Co,VA

The document listed in Beverley Fleet's "Virginia Colonial Abstracts" as being a
miscellaneous file composed of 3 leaves in the Brock Collection, "having Francis
Poythress' Answer to Bill of Complaint brought by John Allen, 1738/39 January 27, BR
(Brock Collection), Box 256" is a document that I obtained a photocopy of, for my
research. Under the restrictions of obtaining that copy, I am now sending a letter to The
Huntington Library asking for permission to publish my transcription of the entire 3
leaves. If that permission is granted, I will let you know further.

In the meantime under the restrictions, I cannot quote from the document. I can, and I do
here below, further describe what was going on, as shown by the document's many run-on
sentences.

I recall reading that the Library of Virginia has microfilm copies of the documents
contained in the Brock Collection, so anyone wishing to examine the 3 leaves can do so
there. Today I was unsuccessful in locating the exact reference in the LVA collections
listing online, to the Brock Collection, mainly because LVA holds so much from Brock.

Also, please be aware that while I was in Richmond last May, at the Library of Virginia
Archival Manuscripts room, I sought any further documents in this case, which would have
logically been handled by the Chancery Court for Prince George County, Virginia. I was
assured by the archivist that no further documents of the apparent suit have been located.
This is not surprising, since few Prince George documents survive.

In looking at at Prince George County, VA's extant records abstracted by Benjamin
Weisiger, we already know that William Poythress and Francis Poythress were executors for
John Fitzgerald, deceased, and that various entries were made in the PG Co Minute Books
regarding their efforts to collect on debts that were owed to Fitzgerald when he died. The
3 leaves in this document show further background on Fitzgerald's situation.

The easier leaf of these three leaves, is just a small slip of paper, apparently written
by and signed by Francis Poythress on 11 May 1736 directing Colonel John Allen to pay 80
lbs of tobacco to Captain Avent.

The other two pages (apparently front & back of the same sheet) are on legal-size paper
and are closely covered with small clerkly-looking handwriting in one long 2-page
document. Per the bottom of the second side, it was copied by the Clerk of the Court for
Prince George Co, VA. Thus this longer document is not in Francis' handwriting, and indeed
the handwriting is different from that on the above-mentioned small slip of paper.

This longer document is, as Beverley Fleet noted, the answer of Francis Poythress to a
Bill of Complaint brought against him by John Allen, a gentleman. It was sworn to in PG Co
Court on 27 January 1738/39.

In his answer, Francis explained that in 1725 Allen (the complainant), Nathaniel Harrison
Esquire, Philip Ludwell Esquire, and William Edwards, a gentleman, became partners trading
in tobacco and other commodities. They sent for various merchandise from Great Britain and
employed John Fitzgerald as factor to sell and buy for them. Soon afterward, Fitzgerald
purchased Edwards' share. Ludwell's share was purchased by a London merchant, James
Bradley (who was by 1738/39 deceased). Fitzgerald, Bradley, Harrison, and Allen (the
complainant) carried on the trade for some years.

In Oct 1732 Fitzgerald died without leaving any acounting to John Allen (the complainant).
William Poythress and Francis Poythress were appointed Fitzgerald's executors. Fitzgerald
was described in the document as being uncle and good friend of Francis Poythress. No
relationship was spelled out between William Poythress and either Francis Poythress or
John Fitzgerald.

Francis was aware that Fitzgerald owed Bradley in England. Francis wanted Allen to advise
Bradley to place an agreed-upon allowance between Allen and the other partners to the
credit of Fitzgerald's account for such debts that Francis should receive collection for.
Francis expected no reward for his trouble beyond his expenses, and he expected only a
usual commission, but he never promised he'd be able to collect all the outstanding debts.
Francis collected many debts; he assured that he had not been guilty of neglect; and he
assured that he'd always been willing to settle Allen's account.

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[POYTHRESS] Fwd: Willis PortressAlbert TimsBegin forwarded message:

> From: "Bob Smith"
> Date: April 1, 2008 8:23:28 AM CDT
> To:
> Subject: Willis Portress
> Reply-To: "Bob Smith"
>

> My wife is a descendent of Willis Portress b: April 1798 in Va; d:
> Jan 1876 Giles County, Tennessee. I saw a note on the RootsWeb
> bulletin board that the Portress name may be a variation of
> Poythress. Do you have any information to support this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob Smith
> re-tired-01@austin.rr.com		04/02/2008 4:11:39
Re: [POYTHRESS] Virginia genealogy blogJohn M. PoythressBarbara....Bingo!...boy, is this lady an absolute jewel! You
struck gold.

I even went to the base site and scanned her complete archives and
found a zillion links to check.

You didn't happen to catch this presentation by her, did you? If you
did, I'd love to have a scan of the handouts and suspect the entire
list would.

Family History Expo: 22 Mar 2008, Eccles Conference Center, 5005 Old Main Hill, Logan UT.
Register at http://www.myancestorsfound.com Registration at 7:00 am.
My topics:
1. New Research Strategies for Virginia Research. At last! The resources we need to trace
Virginia ancestors are available: in print, on film, and in the computer. This workshop
will describe new indexes and newly discovered sources once thought to be lost. Unexpected
migration patterns and special record projects, "brides" by the boatload, interracial
marriages, Traders, planters, slaves and Iron men. Also discussed: importance of property
documents to track women who may outlive as many as 5 husbands.

Good job & thanks. Maynard

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Subject: [POYTHRESS] Virginia genealogy blog

Thanks to Dick Eastman's genealogy newsletter posting of March 29, 2008 for the following
info:

March 29, 2008
Arlene Eakle's Virginia Genealogy Blog
Arlene Eakle is a prolific genealogy writer with more than 90 titles completed. She has
been writing a general-purpose genealogy blog at http://www.arleneeakle.com/wordpress for
nearly two years now. Now Arlene has started a Virginia genealogy blog.

Arlene is an expert in tracing ancestors from the Southern States, including the
Appalachian Triangle - southwest Virginia, northeast North Carolina, southeast Kentucky,
and east Tennessee. She is also the president and founder of The Genealogical Institute,
Inc., and a professional genealogist since 1962. She holds both MA and Ph.D. degrees in
English History from the University of Utah and an Associate degree in Nursing from Weber
State University. She was one of the founders and original trustees of the Association of
Professional Genealogists, serving as president from 1980 to1982 and as editor of the APG
Newsletter and Green Sheet from 1982 to1985.

Arlene's new Virginia Genealogy blog is off to a great start. Some of the articles posted
there include:

Virginia Tax and Rent Rolls: A Checklist of Evidence
Are your Virginia Ancestors Scots or Scots-Irish?
Tuckahoes and Cohees/Cohoes: The Scots-Irish, Ulster Scots, Anglo Scots, Ulster Irish
More Virginia Legalities that Affect your Genealogy Success!
The Four Goff Brothers of Western Virginia: A New Perspective on their Lives
Arlene Eakle's Virginia Genealogy Research Notebooks
Virginia Origins in Southwestern England?
"Virginia is for Lovers" of genealogy.
If you have an interest in Virginia Genealogy, you will want to add Arlene Eakle's
Virginia Genealogy blog to your reading list. Go to: http://virginiagenealogyblog.com.

Posted by Dick Eastman on March 29, 2008


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the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message		04/02/2008 11:31:51
[POYTHRESS] Willis Portress & Willis PoythressMuch thanks to Al Tims for posting Bob Smith's inquiry to our Poythress List of Poythress researchers, and especially MUCH thanks to Bob Smith, who inquired of Al about Bob's wife's ancestor Willis Portress (b. April 1798 in VA; d. Jan 1876 Giles County, Tennessee).

Bob: back in Nov 2002, I had found much info about Willis Poythress and his wife Rebecca Brown, and posted it to our Poythress List of researchers. The info I found was in five Brown Chancery Court Cases filed between Brown family members regarding estate matters in Brunswick County, VA. You can locate my transcriptions of them in our List's message archives, along with feedback from our other researchers.

To search our message archives, go to:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search
and click on the Advanced Search tab. There put Willis Poythress in the first box for finding that name in the "Body" of the messages, and be sure to put Poythress in the "List" box, so you're only searching our Poythress List's messages.

In those transcriptions, I noted that I found the Poythress name (also spelled Portress, as well as Portrice & Poytress & Poythress in these records) shows up in all 5 of these cases because of Rebecca Brown. Thus these cases give support to Portress being an alternate spelling of Poythress, or vice versa.

>From these 5 Brown Chancery cases, we learn she was a daughter of Richardson Brown, who died sometime not long before 22 Nov 1823, and that she was a niece of John Brown, who died some time after he signed his Will in November 1827. Rebecca was married to Willis Poythress. Rebecca and Willis were already married prior to the first Chancery case in 1824. (Vogt's book of Brunswick Co, VA Marriages lists a marriage record for Willis Poythress and Polly Brown on 15 Dec 1821 in Brunswick Co, VA, with John Brown as the bondsman.)

I have a couple of question for you, Bob:

(1) Can you please share with me how you know the exact sources for Willis Portress' birth and death dates?

(2) In Giles County, TN, in any work on your wife's ancestry, I would appreciate learning if you by any chance have seen a Jones Preston (who was born in Brunswick Co, VA 7 Sep 1795, and who married a Rebecca Sargett or Suggett on 1 Jan 1817 in Brunswick Co, VA. She was attested to be of age by James Webb).

Jones Preston died in Tennessee 4 March 1850. Jones Preston was the eldest brother of Catherine Preston; she married James Edward Poythress. Catherine was born 20 Jan 1800 in Brunswick Co, VA; James Edward Poythress was born 13 Aug 1803 in adjacent Mecklenburg Co, VA; they married in Brunswick Co, VA in Feb 1828. The above birth info for Jones Preston comes from their Preston and Poythress family Bible-type record, a copy of which is available online in the Bible records at the Library of Virginia, as Accession number 34866. Catherine & James Edward Poythress are my great-great-grandparents and I have a good amount of info on Jones and Catherine Preston's parents & more.

Since so many people migrated from Virginia to other places in groups of families and friends, it seems possible that Willis Poythress/Portress and Jones Preston (near the same age) both went to Tennessee either in the same group, or to the same area thanks to family and friends they shared.

Hope the Chancery Court case transcriptions, and our Poythress List's other messages about Willis Poythress, will be of interest to you. I look forward to hearing any response from you.

Wishing you all the best in your research, and hoping to hear back from you, whether to me individually, or to our Poythress List (to which you can subscribe if you wish, at our website www.poythress.net). Thank you again for reaching out to our administrator Al Tims with your query.

Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
>From: Albert Tims
>Sent: Apr 2, 2008 11:11 PM
>To: Poythress List
>Subject: [POYTHRESS] Fwd: Willis Portress
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>> From: "Bob Smith"
>> Date: April 1, 2008 8:23:28 AM CDT
>> To:
>> Subject: Willis Portress
>> Reply-To: "Bob Smith"
>>
>> My wife is a descendent of Willis Portress b: April 1798 in Va; d:
>> Jan 1876 Giles County, Tennessee. I saw a note on the RootsWeb
>> bulletin board that the Portress name may be a variation of
>> Poythress. Do you have any information to support this?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Bob Smith
>> re-tired-01@austin.rr.com		04/05/2008 1:33:29
Re: [POYTHRESS] Brunswick CemeteriesThanks, Maynard.
Barbara



04/07/2008 2:17:47
[POYTHRESS] Brunswick CemeteriesJohn M. Poythresshttp://www.brunswickcemeteries.org/Index/index_p.htm





Has a blue million entries. I searched Poythress only to find a couple

of recent entries. URL above will take you to the site if you want to

search other names.



Maynard




04/07/2008 3:56:38
[POYTHRESS] VAGenWeb on a new serverWith thanks to the VA-Southside List, below is helpful info from the Charles City County GenWeb site coordinator, which she notes may apply to other VA counties' sites, too.
Bpn

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To: VA-SOUTHSIDE@rootsweb.com
Subject: [VA-SOUTHSIDE] VAGenWeb on a new server

I haven't seen a message about this, so I wanted to let others know that
VAGenWeb has moved to another server, away from Rootsweb. Some individual
county pages have chosen to stay with Rootsweb, but a good number have moved.

I just took over Charles City County and set up a new design, etc., as I
moved it to the new server. I am updating the old website material before
transferring it. Then I can start adding new things to it.

If you have favorite VAGenWeb counties, Southside or otherwise, which are
bookmarked, you may want to update those bookmarks.

VAGenWeb is now located at:
_www.vagenweb.org_ (http://www.vagenweb.org)
with links to the counties further down the page.

Katherine Benbow
County Coordinator, Charles City County VAGenWeb
http://www.vagenweb.org/charles/		04/10/2008 6:58:06
[POYTHRESS] Fraud sites posing as genealogy sites>From Dick Eastman's newsletter:

April 10, 2008
Potentially Fraudulent Sites Posing as Genealogy Websites
Writing in the Ancestry.com blog, Mike Ward is warning other genealogists of fraudulent web sites posing as genealogy sites. These sites take your credit card information and provide little in return.

Mike writes:

We have recently become aware of three websites purporting to allow family history research: SearchYourGenealogy.com, Ancestry-search.com and Australian-Ancestry.com. The sites claim to have “the largest online genealogical search tool” and promote themselves as the foremost resources for genealogy, but from what we can tell, these sites are nothing more than a series of web pages with links to other services. These sites, in our opinion, are clearly fraudulent.

On each site, potential customers are lured to purchase under what we feel to be false, misleading and deceitful promotional material, and get little or no value out of money spent at the websites. Blog and message board posts from the community confirm this opinion.

You can read Mike's entire article at http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2008/04/10/potentially-fraudulent-sites-posing-as-genealogy-websites/

NOTE: the above web address will have "wrapped" to more than one line in this message. Be sure to put the whole address in your browser.		04/11/2008 5:14:50
[POYTHRESS] Barbara Poythress Neal - new email addressBarbara NealHi all,
I'm switching from my earlier email address of bp_neal@earthlink.net to this
new one.

If you wish to send me messages off-list, please use the new address.
Thanks.

Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN)
BarbPoy.Neal@gmail.com



04/14/2008 3:38:37
[POYTHRESS] FW: Thousands of Virginians Moved West 1782, 1783, 1784, 1785, 1786, 1787, 1788, 1789, 1790, 1791, 1792, and on, and on.John M. PoythressWhile these counties and this migration direction is a little low on our interest-meter,

there is a tidbit here and there. Best of all, it's free. Note the Binns site which, if
you

have not been there, is a gem. They publish a lot of free stuff from time to time,

especially tax lists of Virginia.



Maynard



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From: rssfwd@rssfwd.com [mailto:rssfwd@rssfwd.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 1:05 PM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Thousands of Virginians Moved West 1782, 1783, 1784, 1785, 1786, 1787, 1788,
1789, 1790, 1791, 1792, and on, and on.



The Virginia challenge-at the end of the Revolutionary War, the population of Virginia
just flowed out of the eastern counties, bursting through the mountains onto the "western
waters." Thousands of families moved West-1782, 1783, 1784, 1785, 1786, 1787, 1788, 1789,
1790, 1791, 1792, and on, and on.

Using a 1782 census or tax list, then depending upon the 1810 census or 1820 census is too
broad a span to track these Virginia families-by 1810 and 1820, many of them are in
Kentucky, Tennessee, and Ohio. The official 1790 compilations used only 1782-1785 (with a
few lists in 1786-87), based on whichever list was the first to survive.

Every time I used Nettie Schreiner-Yantis's 1787 Census of Virginia, I wished someone
would do a1790-1800 statewide "census" based on tax lists to fill the destructive gap left
by the missing census schedules for Virginia during this critical time period. Nettie
estimated that between 95% and 98% of the free white males are included in her 1781 Census
of Virginia.

Steve and Bunny Binns to the rescue!

1790/1800 Virginia Tax List Census database is FREE online at
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[Editor's NOTE: Yikes! I just tried this link and got "no site found." Suggestion:
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get access to the database.]

The reconstructed census years are based on tax lists 1788-1792 and 1798-1801-depending
upon which list is available for which counties. You can search by ancestor's specific
name, by surname, by year, and by county. Or you can use the index provded by
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The introduction to the database includes a county-by-county chart of the sources used and
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You can also buy the databases in whole or segments from their online store.

The tax lists are actually more complete than the original census enumerations. And they
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of house, the tax list lists every white male over age 16-with many of the 16-21 year olds
named. And several county lists include Black slaves by name.

In 1790, Virginia and Kentucky-which was still part of Virginia-had a combined population
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cities-a jurisdiction usually not separately listed in other states.

Those exempted from the actual payment of taxes may still be listed with their property
anyway, with no tax shown. By law, exemptions included white women (married and single)
although widows responsible for the tax owed on the estates of their deceased husbands are
listed. Non-citizens of Virginia and non-residents of the county who held lands and
property in other counties were taxed only once-at their residence.

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Mary College, Anglican ministers, military officers, ferry owners, and the old and infirm
who could petition the court to be set levy free. Also exempt were persons who were
awarded this bounty for extraordinary service to Virginia or their local counties.

I would do many things for my state and my county if I could be set levy free-wouldn't
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[POYTHRESS] Rebecca Poythress PriorRandy JonesWho were the parents of Rebecca Poythress (b.c.1805 d.26 Dec 1871 @ Tenille, Pike Co., Ala.) who marrried Columbia Co., GA 1829 Wade Haden Prior (1798-1863)?

-- Randy jones


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Re: [POYTHRESS] Rebecca Poythress PriorBarbara NealWe don't know who her parents were, Randy, from any previous info posted.

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Randy Jones wrote:
> Who were the parents of Rebecca Poythress (b.c.1805 d.26 Dec 1871 @ Tenille, Pike Co., Ala.) who marrried Columbia Co., GA 1829 Wade Haden Prior (1798-1863)?
>
> -- Randy jones		05/06/2008 5:11:33
[POYTHRESS] WL Poythress chancery & Thomas Poythress chanceryJulie CabittoHello,
I took a trip to Library of VA today, and wanted to tell you about a few chancery cases I saw, in Mecklenburg County VA..

I recently had an major fire, due to a faulty wire. We are all fine, and we're being well taken care of. No records or pictures burned. I'm at a rental house while my house gets rebuilt. Hopefully just another month before we can move back and get re-settled. So I tell you this to explain all my files are boxed up. I was glad for a break to get away and read chanceries today.

I like to work on my Bracey families in Mecklenburg Co., VA. So I got some Dortch, Speed, Kidd, Poythress and Taylor chanceries. (Mecklenburg Co. VA families that married Poythress) I got 3 Taylor chanceries where they sue executors of early Taylor estates. Rebecca Dortch and David Taylor were in-laws of Lewis Poythress. I got a chancery on David Taylor's family and his father's family. I figured chanceries were the best way to keep all these Taylor relationships straight....Well, now to just the Poythress records...
____________________________________
I saw a chancery case for a William Warwick suing Thomas Poythress in 1796. This Thomas Poythress was in Brunswick County VA. Thomas sold 211 acres to William Warwick on Dec 2, 1782 in an area called Randuls Ordinary. His land joined John Taylor. (Of course there's a gazillion John Taylor's back then)...I didn't copy this chancery because there wasn't much, and there was no genealogical info-no relationships etc. It was just that William had paid Thomas Poythress and he said he had not received the title yet. But there was no info as to what Thomas had to say, or how it was resolved.
________________________________________
I'm hoping this isn't a chancery you already talked about Barbara. Sorry, all my notes are packed unless I typed them on the computer.
I told you before about a chancery where I think it was Thomas Poythress suing for his share of the will. (A Thomas will?) I just can't remember which Poythress, because my chanceries are packed too...Well, I know I've never seen this chancery before. It was 90 pages. Usually, a chancery that big is full of receipts and summons papers. This chancery, the bulk of that 90 pages was depositions. Including a deposition by WL Poythress saying that Nancy Thomas was his grandmother. A few parts of this chancery I saw in the one I copied before, and one that Barbara got. But then this case had more than I had seen. This case is in 1880 (several years after the other two chanceries) and it went to circuit court. This chancery was about WL Poythress sued the estate of his grandma Nancy Thomas for his inheritance. There's a limit to how many pages you could copy, so I ordered a copy of it, and the case will be mailed to me soon. I'm expecting it to take abt a month. If this is not a case Barbara already had, ...I'll start typing the Poythress depositions. I'll also check the Taylor ones for any Poythress info. The depositions are really great. They ask questions like how old they are, their relationships, their occupation, when they got married, if there was a will, how many acres they own...and lots of other helpful info. And it was abt 90 pages of mostly that kind of info.

I'll let you know when I get the records in the mail.
Love,
Julie		05/31/2008 4:45:31
[POYTHRESS] PS one more chanceryJulie CabittoI'm reading through notes I took today...
There is one more chancery with Poythress in Mecklenburg County, VA.

Jones vs Admr of Harwell 1858-015CC (CC= circuit court)

William Jones won a chancery suit, but had not been paid all that was owed to him. Lucy Thomas was listed as wife of Thomas M. Poythress. The Poythress surname did not show up on the index list of names. I pulled this case to read more about Jones kin. I'll let you know when I get the chanceries if it says anything more about Lucy and Thomas Pouthress when I get the case.
Love, Julie		05/31/2008 4:57:59
[POYTHRESS] William L Portress/ Poythress & Nancy Thomas Exr 1880-030CC Mecklenburg Co, VABarbara NealThis case (mentioned by Julie the other day) is one that nearly 7
years ago, in August 2001, I had transcribed a few fragments from the
overlapping photocopies Craig Scott was so good to make for us in a
busy trip he had to the Library of VA, when he also copied other
chancery court info.

>From that fragmentary info, we knew that:

William L Portress / Poythress was grandson of Mrs. Nancy Thomas, who
died in Dec 1864; that her will was proved and admitted to record in
Mecklenburg; that bequeathed by her said will to him "by his name of
William L. Poythress" was the entire residue of her personal property,
after giving "certain small portions of personal property" to "certain
named legatees." We also knew that William gave his deposition Nov
3rd 1879; that he had served in the Confederate Army at Petersburg in
Company "D" 44th Va Battalion when she died.

I later saw the entire chancery case of about 100 pages at LVA, and
learned from looking through it that the value of her estate in
Confederate dollars became worthless at the end of the War in April
1865, so William L Poythress never got any money. The handwriting on
many of the documents in the file is challenging to try to read. It
could well contain some valuable info I've failed to note here.

I know it contains a lengthy deposition from William L Poythress, and
one from Nancy Thomas' executor named Riggan, and probably other
depositions, but I did not see another deposition from any other
Poythress.

The case file indeed includes a copy of Nancy Thomas' will with one or
more codicils added after the will was originally made. I did not
transcribe her will & codicils but noted that they mentioned by name:
- her son Edward Thomas
- her daughter Rebecca Ann Tutor
- her daughter Amanda F. King
- her daughter Lucie J. Poythress
- her grandson Edward Griffith
- her grandson William L. Poythress

This William L Portress vs Exr of Nancy Thomas case file also had
copies of appraisals and sale records for pages of specific items from
her estate, in Confederate dollars. One of the many, many purchasers
was listed simply as:
- Poythress, L.J. This would logically be the above-mentioned Lucie
J (Lucy/Lucie Jane nee Thomas) Poythress.

FURTHER INFO
to help anyone not familiar with this family: Nancy Thomas, whose
will this was, married Bennett Thomas in Brunswick Co, VA -- per
Vogt's book of Brunswick marriages, on 25 March 1826. Her name when
they married was Nancy House. "House" was from her former husband
whose first name I don't know. Bennett's earlier wife was Patsy Jones.
Likely the above-listed daughters & the son were actually Nancy's
step-children -- from Bennett's first wife -- and long in her "blended
family" with Bennett Thomas. In Bennett Thomas' own will in
Mecklenburg Co, VA 1843, he specifically directs that his "dutiful son
in law" (stepson, we would say), Labon House receive the sum of $100.
All his other children are not named specifically in his will.

A copy of Bennett Thomas' will was one of the documents I transcribed
one year ago for this List, in my June 7, 2007 message captioned
"Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery Case 1865-011" which was the case of
Thomas &C vs Thomas &C. Another lengthy document transcribed there
lists all 12 of Bennett's children & who each of them married. It
names Thomas Poythress as the person Lucie/Lucy Thomas married; this
Thomas Poythress was Thomas M Poythress.

You can find that full document listing all Bennett Thomas' children &
their spouses in the List archives. Go to our Poythress research
website:
www.poythress.net

and there click on the top drop-down menu for:
Message Archives

and there choose the one on the right side:
Browse Poythress Message Archives By Month and Year

and there scroll down to June 2007 and look for my June 7th message
captioned as mentioned above.

ALSO:
Even when we are far away from where much of our genealogy info is
stored, keep in mind that it's fairly easy to double-check our List
archives for the ton of info we've had on the List thru the years.
For example, it's easy to find which numerous chancery cases I have
already transcribed by doing keyword searches on just two "words" --
(1) chancery, and (2) CCT (short for Chancery Court). I think I've
always used one or the other in the captions of those transcriptions.
You could also do a keyword search on "court" and perhaps find some
others.

To do such a keyword search of the List archives:
Go to our Poythress research website:
www.poythress.net

and there click on the top drop-down menu for:
Message Archives

and there choose the one on the left side: Keyword Search Poythress
Message Archives

In the resulting "Archives Search Engine" box, click on the "ADVANCED"
search tab.

In the resulting box, beside "List" be sure to type Poythress, so it
will search only the Poythress List messages.

In the top part of that same box, beside "Subject" is where I'd
recommend putting the word "chancery" or the word "CCT" (without the
quotation marks). That's all you need to put in that box. Then click
on Search.

As you'll see from that Advanced Search Box, you can also search the
actual body of every message for any particular keyword, and you can
limit any search to certain dates or months or years, if you wish.

Cheers,
Barbara		06/05/2008 3:43:15
[POYTHRESS] Jones vs Admr of Harwell 1858-015 Chancery case Mecklenburg Co, VABarbara NealThis is another one that I transcribed earlier: see List message
archives for August 2001. The transcription was in my message
captioned "Mecklenburg Co, VA Circuit Court 1858-015 Chancery record"

Sorry you were away from your records, Julie, and didn't realize this
one had been covered:(
Barbara		06/05/2008 4:02:09
[POYTHRESS] Searching List Message Archives to save duplication of effortsBarbara NealWhether we're at home with all our genealogy info, or far away from
it, we should all try to remember that it's fairly easy to
double-check our List
archives for the ton of info we've had on the List thru the years.

All you really need to remember is to go to our Poythress research
website, www.Poythress.net and from there you have easy entry to the
List's Message Archives.

More detailed help, in case you wish to try it now:

Go to our Poythress research website:
www.poythress.net

and there click on the top drop-down menu for:
Message Archives

and there choose either the one on the left side, "Keyword Search
Poythress Message Archives" or the one on the right side, "Browse
Poythress Message Archives By Month and Year"

If for example, you know you missed all the messages from March,
April, & May of this year, you can choose that right option, and just
read thru the messages from each of those months.

Alternatively, to do a keyword search of the List archives, click on
that left option, and then:

In the resulting "Archives Search Engine" box, click on the "ADVANCED"
search tab.

In the resulting box, beside "List" be sure to type Poythress, so it
will search only the Poythress List messages.

In the top part of that same box, beside "Body" you can put any name
you're searching for, or any other search "word" such as chancery, or
cct for example (CCT is something I've used to abbreviate Chancery
Court in some of my transcription messages).

This method searches through ALL the text of ALL the messages of our
List, for whatever name or search word you want. It's a very powerful
tool.

You can limit any search to certain dates or months or years, if you wish.



06/05/2008 4:13:32
[POYTHRESS] Thomas Poythress & William Warwick chancery Brunswick Co, VABarbara NealSorry I've been off-line busy with other stuff for a while. Just saw
Julie's messages about chancery records, and look forward to learning
more from the Dortch, Speed, Taylor, etc chanceries that mention
Poythresses and their relatives, for helping us sort all of them out.

To save you, Julie, from typing up transcriptions already done, here's
the quick key to finding the ones I did years ago re Thomas Poythress
& William Warwick in Brunswick County:

Go to our Poythress research website:
www.poythress.net

and there click on the top drop-down menu for:
Message Archives

and there choose the one on the right side:
Browse Poythress Message Archives By Month and Year

and there scroll down to November 2002, you will see in that month the
transcriptions I sent to our List concerning the various suits
involving Thomas Poythress & William Warwick.

Best wishes to you, Julie, as y'all recover from the confusion of
having so much stuff packed away while your house is rebuilt from the
fire!
Barbara		06/05/2008 12:23:15
Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 33Julie CabittoBarbara,
Good to know which chanceries you had. I will definitely have to work on
double checking the archives often when I have questions. And I'll print
this email page to remember how to do that.
When I get the chancery record, I will compare it with the archives
to see if there's anything new learned. I'll just send in if anything is
new. I thought I remembered a few things from the chancery being posted, but
there was so much in it I had never seen. And my interest also is in all the
other families involved too, because I'm related to them too.
I'd not heard of Nancy House being married before and that House might
not be her maiden name. That's something I'll have to look carefully at and
see if there's any clues elsewhere in the document.
Thanks for all this chancery info, and how much you've put in your
archives!!
Love, Julie

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 3:01 AM
Subject: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 33


>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Thomas Poythress & William Warwick chancery Brunswick Co, VA
> (Barbara Neal)
> 2. William L Portress/ Poythress & Nancy Thomas Exr 1880-030CC
> Mecklenburg Co, VA (Barbara Neal)
> 3. Jones vs Admr of Harwell 1858-015 Chancery case Mecklenburg
> Co, VA (Barbara Neal)
> 4. Searching List Message Archives to save duplication of
> efforts (Barbara Neal)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:23:15 -0600
> From: "Barbara Neal"
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Thomas Poythress & William Warwick chancery
> Brunswick Co, VA
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Message-ID:
> <7e4a72960806051723p53a4686dl2e8279cf0bfcfb55@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Sorry I've been off-line busy with other stuff for a while. Just saw
> Julie's messages about chancery records, and look forward to learning
> more from the Dortch, Speed, Taylor, etc chanceries that mention
> Poythresses and their relatives, for helping us sort all of them out.
>
> To save you, Julie, from typing up transcriptions already done, here's
> the quick key to finding the ones I did years ago re Thomas Poythress
> & William Warwick in Brunswick County:
>
> Go to our Poythress research website:
> www.poythress.net
>
> and there click on the top drop-down menu for:
> Message Archives
>
> and there choose the one on the right side:
> Browse Poythress Message Archives By Month and Year
>
> and there scroll down to November 2002, you will see in that month the
> transcriptions I sent to our List concerning the various suits
> involving Thomas Poythress & William Warwick.
>
> Best wishes to you, Julie, as y'all recover from the confusion of
> having so much stuff packed away while your house is rebuilt from the
> fire!
> Barbara
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:43:15 -0600
> From: "Barbara Neal"
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] William L Portress/ Poythress & Nancy Thomas Exr
> 1880-030CC Mecklenburg Co, VA
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Message-ID:
> <7e4a72960806052043q40df2e7bje4a57d16adaf507a@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> This case (mentioned by Julie the other day) is one that nearly 7
> years ago, in August 2001, I had transcribed a few fragments from the
> overlapping photocopies Craig Scott was so good to make for us in a
> busy trip he had to the Library of VA, when he also copied other
> chancery court info.
>
>>From that fragmentary info, we knew that:
>
> William L Portress / Poythress was grandson of Mrs. Nancy Thomas, who
> died in Dec 1864; that her will was proved and admitted to record in
> Mecklenburg; that bequeathed by her said will to him "by his name of
> William L. Poythress" was the entire residue of her personal property,
> after giving "certain small portions of personal property" to "certain
> named legatees." We also knew that William gave his deposition Nov
> 3rd 1879; that he had served in the Confederate Army at Petersburg in
> Company "D" 44th Va Battalion when she died.
>
> I later saw the entire chancery case of about 100 pages at LVA, and
> learned from looking through it that the value of her estate in
> Confederate dollars became worthless at the end of the War in April
> 1865, so William L Poythress never got any money. The handwriting on
> many of the documents in the file is challenging to try to read. It
> could well contain some valuable info I've failed to note here.
>
> I know it contains a lengthy deposition from William L Poythress, and
> one from Nancy Thomas' executor named Riggan, and probably other
> depositions, but I did not see another deposition from any other
> Poythress.
>
> The case file indeed includes a copy of Nancy Thomas' will with one or
> more codicils added after the will was originally made. I did not
> transcribe her will & codicils but noted that they mentioned by name:
> - her son Edward Thomas
> - her daughter Rebecca Ann Tutor
> - her daughter Amanda F. King
> - her daughter Lucie J. Poythress
> - her grandson Edward Griffith
> - her grandson William L. Poythress
>
> This William L Portress vs Exr of Nancy Thomas case file also had
> copies of appraisals and sale records for pages of specific items from
> her estate, in Confederate dollars. One of the many, many purchasers
> was listed simply as:
> - Poythress, L.J. This would logically be the above-mentioned Lucie
> J (Lucy/Lucie Jane nee Thomas) Poythress.
>
> FURTHER INFO
> to help anyone not familiar with this family: Nancy Thomas, whose
> will this was, married Bennett Thomas in Brunswick Co, VA -- per
> Vogt's book of Brunswick marriages, on 25 March 1826. Her name when
> they married was Nancy House. "House" was from her former husband
> whose first name I don't know. Bennett's earlier wife was Patsy Jones.
> Likely the above-listed daughters & the son were actually Nancy's
> step-children -- from Bennett's first wife -- and long in her "blended
> family" with Bennett Thomas. In Bennett Thomas' own will in
> Mecklenburg Co, VA 1843, he specifically directs that his "dutiful son
> in law" (stepson, we would say), Labon House receive the sum of $100.
> All his other children are not named specifically in his will.
>
> A copy of Bennett Thomas' will was one of the documents I transcribed
> one year ago for this List, in my June 7, 2007 message captioned
> "Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery Case 1865-011" which was the case of
> Thomas &C vs Thomas &C. Another lengthy document transcribed there
> lists all 12 of Bennett's children & who each of them married. It
> names Thomas Poythress as the person Lucie/Lucy Thomas married; this
> Thomas Poythress was Thomas M Poythress.
>
> You can find that full document listing all Bennett Thomas' children &
> their spouses in the List archives. Go to our Poythress research
> website:
> www.poythress.net
>
> and there click on the top drop-down menu for:
> Message Archives
>
> and there choose the one on the right side:
> Browse Poythress Message Archives By Month and Year
>
> and there scroll down to June 2007 and look for my June 7th message
> captioned as mentioned above.
>
> ALSO:
> Even when we are far away from where much of our genealogy info is
> stored, keep in mind that it's fairly easy to double-check our List
> archives for the ton of info we've had on the List thru the years.
> For example, it's easy to find which numerous chancery cases I have
> already transcribed by doing keyword searches on just two "words" --
> (1) chancery, and (2) CCT (short for Chancery Court). I think I've
> always used one or the other in the captions of those transcriptions.
> You could also do a keyword search on "court" and perhaps find some
> others.
>
> To do such a keyword search of the List archives:
> Go to our Poythress research website:
> www.poythress.net
>
> and there click on the top drop-down menu for:
> Message Archives
>
> and there choose the one on the left side: Keyword Search Poythress
> Message Archives
>
> In the resulting "Archives Search Engine" box, click on the "ADVANCED"
> search tab.
>
> In the resulting box, beside "List" be sure to type Poythress, so it
> will search only the Poythress List messages.
>
> In the top part of that same box, beside "Subject" is where I'd
> recommend putting the word "chancery" or the word "CCT" (without the
> quotation marks). That's all you need to put in that box. Then click
> on Search.
>
> As you'll see from that Advanced Search Box, you can also search the
> actual body of every message for any particular keyword, and you can
> limit any search to certain dates or months or years, if you wish.
>
> Cheers,
> Barbara
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:02:09 -0600
> From: "Barbara Neal"
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Jones vs Admr of Harwell 1858-015 Chancery case
> Mecklenburg Co, VA
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Message-ID:
> <7e4a72960806052102k69fd1b03yd86d72e21f7c5dd0@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> This is another one that I transcribed earlier: see List message
> archives for August 2001. The transcription was in my message
> captioned "Mecklenburg Co, VA Circuit Court 1858-015 Chancery record"
>
> Sorry you were away from your records, Julie, and didn't realize this
> one had been covered:(
> Barbara
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:13:32 -0600
> From: "Barbara Neal"
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Searching List Message Archives to save
> duplication of efforts
> To: poythress
> Message-ID:
> <7e4a72960806052113i1b4d49eax9af4c10165445736@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Whether we're at home with all our genealogy info, or far away from
> it, we should all try to remember that it's fairly easy to
> double-check our List
> archives for the ton of info we've had on the List thru the years.
>
> All you really need to remember is to go to our Poythress research
> website, www.Poythress.net and from there you have easy entry to the
> List's Message Archives.
>
> More detailed help, in case you wish to try it now:
>
> Go to our Poythress research website:
> www.poythress.net
>
> and there click on the top drop-down menu for:
> Message Archives
>
> and there choose either the one on the left side, "Keyword Search
> Poythress Message Archives" or the one on the right side, "Browse
> Poythress Message Archives By Month and Year"
>
> If for example, you know you missed all the messages from March,
> April, & May of this year, you can choose that right option, and just
> read thru the messages from each of those months.
>
> Alternatively, to do a keyword search of the List archives, click on
> that left option, and then:
>
> In the resulting "Archives Search Engine" box, click on the "ADVANCED"
> search tab.
>
> In the resulting box, beside "List" be sure to type Poythress, so it
> will search only the Poythress List messages.
>
> In the top part of that same box, beside "Body" you can put any name
> you're searching for, or any other search "word" such as chancery, or
> cct for example (CCT is something I've used to abbreviate Chancery
> Court in some of my transcription messages).
>
> This method searches through ALL the text of ALL the messages of our
> List, for whatever name or search word you want. It's a very powerful
> tool.
>
> You can limit any search to certain dates or months or years, if you wish.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> To contact the POYTHRESS list administrator, send an email to
> POYTHRESS-admin@rootsweb.com.
>
> To post a message to the POYTHRESS mailing list, send an email to
> POYTHRESS@rootsweb.com.
>
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> POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com
> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body
> of the
> email with no additional text.
>
>
> End of POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 33
> ****************************************		06/06/2008 1:59:21
Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 33 on chancery casesBarbara NealThanks, Julie. We all look forward to anything new you can add to the
Poythress & related families puzzle, as you go thru stuff, and really
appreciate your work.
Barbara



06/06/2008 5:20:07
Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 33Julie
Note on Nancy House. I have her will and I believe she named her brother executor--?Isaac House--I will to check to make sure. (of course it is in a box somewhere!!!!!). If that's so then her maiden name was House?? Thanks for Chancery Case--that was one of the ones I had ref. and notes but had never gotten a copy of.

PS
Sorry to hear about your home. I have been a bit behind on things lately. I was in Colonial Heights and Richmond for about 10 days last month but could not do research. My sister had one of the largest aneurysms the doctors have ever seen in her brain. I was with her for surgery and about 8 days after.
I will be back that way to help out and check on her--soon.
Take Care
Love
Cindy
-------------- Original message from "Julie Cabitto" : --------------


> Barbara,
> Good to know which chanceries you had. I will definitely have to work on
> double checking the archives often when I have questions. And I'll print
> this email page to remember how to do that.
> When I get the chancery record, I will compare it with the archives
> to see if there's anything new learned. I'll just send in if anything is
> new. I thought I remembered a few things from the chancery being posted, but
> there was so much in it I had never seen. And my interest also is in all the
> other families involved too, because I'm related to them too.
> I'd not heard of Nancy House being married before and that House might
> not be her maiden name. That's something I'll have to look carefully at and
> see if there's any clues elsewhere in the document.
> Thanks for all this chancery info, and how much you've put in your
> archives!!
> Love, Julie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:

> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 3:01 AM
> Subject: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 33
>
>
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Thomas Poythress & William Warwick chancery Brunswick Co, VA
> > (Barbara Neal)
> > 2. William L Portress/ Poythress & Nancy Thomas Exr 1880-030CC
> > Mecklenburg Co, VA (Barbara Neal)
> > 3. Jones vs Admr of Harwell 1858-015 Chancery case Mecklenburg
> > Co, VA (Barbara Neal)
> > 4. Searching List Message Archives to save duplication of
> > efforts (Barbara Neal)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:23:15 -0600
> > From: "Barbara Neal"
> > Subject: [POYTHRESS] Thomas Poythress & William Warwick chancery
> > Brunswick Co, VA
> > To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> > Message-ID:
> > <7e4a72960806051723p53a4686dl2e8279cf0bfcfb55@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Sorry I've been off-line busy with other stuff for a while. Just saw
> > Julie's messages about chancery records, and look forward to learning
> > more from the Dortch, Speed, Taylor, etc chanceries that mention
> > Poythresses and their relatives, for helping us sort all of them out.
> >
> > To save you, Julie, from typing up transcriptions already done, here's
> > the quick key to finding the ones I did years ago re Thomas Poythress
> > & William Warwick in Brunswick County:
> >
> > Go to our Poythress research website:
> > www.poythress.net
> >
> > and there click on the top drop-down menu for:
> > Message Archives
> >
> > and there choose the one on the right side:
> > Browse Poythress Message Archives By Month and Year
> >
> > and there scroll down to November 2002, you will see in that month the
> > transcriptions I sent to our List concerning the various suits
> > involving Thomas Poythress & William Warwick.
> >
> > Best wishes to you, Julie, as y'all recover from the confusion of
> > having so much stuff packed away while your house is rebuilt from the
> > fire!
> > Barbara
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:43:15 -0600
> > From: "Barbara Neal"
> > Subject: [POYTHRESS] William L Portress/ Poythress & Nancy Thomas Exr
> > 1880-030CC Mecklenburg Co, VA
> > To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> > Message-ID:
> > <7e4a72960806052043q40df2e7bje4a57d16adaf507a@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > This case (mentioned by Julie the other day) is one that nearly 7
> > years ago, in August 2001, I had transcribed a few fragments from the
> > overlapping photocopies Craig Scott was so good to make for us in a
> > busy trip he had to the Library of VA, when he also copied other
> > chancery court info.
> >
> >>From that fragmentary info, we knew that:
> >
> > William L Portress / Poythress was grandson of Mrs. Nancy Thomas, who
> > died in Dec 1864; that her will was proved and admitted to record in
> > Mecklenburg; that bequeathed by her said will to him "by his name of
> > William L. Poythress" was the entire residue of her personal property,
> > after giving "certain small portions of personal property" to "certain
> > named legatees." We also knew that William gave his deposition Nov
> > 3rd 1879; that he had served in the Confederate Army at Petersburg in
> > Company "D" 44th Va Battalion when she died.
> >
> > I later saw the entire chancery case of about 100 pages at LVA, and
> > learned from looking through it that the value of her estate in
> > Confederate dollars became worthless at the end of the War in April
> > 1865, so William L Poythress never got any money. The handwriting on
> > many of the documents in the file is challenging to try to read. It
> > could well contain some valuable info I've failed to note here.
> >
> > I know it contains a lengthy deposition from William L Poythress, and
> > one from Nancy Thomas' executor named Riggan, and probably other
> > depositions, but I did not see another deposition from any other
> > Poythress.
> >
> > The case file indeed includes a copy of Nancy Thomas' will with one or
> > more codicils added after the will was originally made. I did not
> > transcribe her will & codicils but noted that they mentioned by name:
> > - her son Edward Thomas
> > - her daughter Rebecca Ann Tutor
> > - her daughter Amanda F. King
> > - her daughter Lucie J. Poythress
> > - her grandson Edward Griffith
> > - her grandson William L. Poythress
> >
> > This William L Portress vs Exr of Nancy Thomas case file also had
> > copies of appraisals and sale records for pages of specific items from
> > her estate, in Confederate dollars. One of the many, many purchasers
> > was listed simply as:
> > - Poythress, L.J. This would logically be the above-mentioned Lucie
> > J (Lucy/Lucie Jane nee Thomas) Poythress.
> >
> > FURTHER INFO
> > to help anyone not familiar with this family: Nancy Thomas, whose
> > will this was, married Bennett Thomas in Brunswick Co, VA -- per
> > Vogt's book of Brunswick marriages, on 25 March 1826. Her name when
> > they married was Nancy House. "House" was from her former husband
> > whose first name I don't know. Bennett's earlier wife was Patsy Jones.
> > Likely the above-listed daughters & the son were actually Nancy's
> > step-children -- from Bennett's first wife -- and long in her "blended
> > family" with Bennett Thomas. In Bennett Thomas' own will in
> > Mecklenburg Co, VA 1843, he specifically directs that his "dutiful son
> > in law" (stepson, we would say), Labon House receive the sum of $100.
> > All his other children are not named specifically in his will.
> >
> > A copy of Bennett Thomas' will was one of the documents I transcribed
> > one year ago for this List, in my June 7, 2007 message captioned
> > "Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery Case 1865-011" which was the case of
> > Thomas &C vs Thomas &C. Another lengthy document transcribed there
> > lists all 12 of Bennett's children & who each of them married. It
> > names Thomas Poythress as the person Lucie/Lucy Thomas married; this
> > Thomas Poythress was Thomas M Poythress.
> >
> > You can find that full document listing all Bennett Thomas' children &
> > their spouses in the List archives. Go to our Poythress research
> > website:
> > www.poythress.net
> >
> > and there click on the top drop-down menu for:
> > Message Archives
> >
> > and there choose the one on the right side:
> > Browse Poythress Message Archives By Month and Year
> >
> > and there scroll down to June 2007 and look for my June 7th message
> > captioned as mentioned above.
> >
> > ALSO:
> > Even when we are far away from where much of our genealogy info is
> > stored, keep in mind that it's fairly easy to double-check our List
> > archives for the ton of info we've had on the List thru the years.
> > For example, it's easy to find which numerous chancery cases I have
> > already transcribed by doing keyword searches on just two "words" --
> > (1) chancery, and (2) CCT (short for Chancery Court). I think I've
> > always used one or the other in the captions of those transcriptions.
> > You could also do a keyword search on "court" and perhaps find some
> > others.
> >
> > To do such a keyword search of the List archives:
> > Go to our Poythress research website:
> > www.poythress.net
> >
> > and there click on the top drop-down menu for:
> > Message Archives
> >
> > and there choose the one on the left side: Keyword Search Poythress
> > Message Archives
> >
> > In the resulting "Archives Search Engine" box, click on the "ADVANCED"
> > search tab.
> >
> > In the resulting box, beside "List" be sure to type Poythress, so it
> > will search only the Poythress List messages.
> >
> > In the top part of that same box, beside "Subject" is where I'd
> > recommend putting the word "chancery" or the word "CCT" (without the
> > quotation marks). That's all you need to put in that box. Then click
> > on Search.
> >
> > As you'll see from that Advanced Search Box, you can also search the
> > actual body of every message for any particular keyword, and you can
> > limit any search to certain dates or months or years, if you wish.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Barbara
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:02:09 -0600
> > From: "Barbara Neal"
> > Subject: [POYTHRESS] Jones vs Admr of Harwell 1858-015 Chancery case
> > Mecklenburg Co, VA
> > To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> > Message-ID:
> > <7e4a72960806052102k69fd1b03yd86d72e21f7c5dd0@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > This is another one that I transcribed earlier: see List message
> > archives for August 2001. The transcription was in my message
> > captioned "Mecklenburg Co, VA Circuit Court 1858-015 Chancery record"
> >
> > Sorry you were away from your records, Julie, and didn't realize this
> > one had been covered:(
> > Barbara
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:13:32 -0600
> > From: "Barbara Neal"
> > Subject: [POYTHRESS] Searching List Message Archives to save
> > duplication of efforts
> > To: poythress

> > Message-ID:
> > <7e4a72960806052113i1b4d49eax9af4c10165445736@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Whether we're at home with all our genealogy info, or far away from
> > it, we should all try to remember that it's fairly easy to
> > double-check our List
> > archives for the ton of info we've had on the List thru the years.
> >
> > All you really need to remember is to go to our Poythress research
> > website, www.Poythress.net and from there you have easy entry to the
> > List's Message Archives.
> >
> > More detailed help, in case you wish to try it now:
> >
> > Go to our Poythress research website:
> > www.poythress.net
> >
> > and there click on the top drop-down menu for:
> > Message Archives
> >
> > and there choose either the one on the left side, "Keyword Search
> > Poythress Message Archives" or the one on the right side, "Browse
> > Poythress Message Archives By Month and Year"
> >
> > If for example, you know you missed all the messages from March,
> > April, & May of this year, you can choose that right option, and just
> > read thru the messages from each of those months.
> >
> > Alternatively, to do a keyword search of the List archives, click on
> > that left option, and then:
> >
> > In the resulting "Archives Search Engine" box, click on the "ADVANCED"
> > search tab.
> >
> > In the resulting box, beside "List" be sure to type Poythress, so it
> > will search only the Poythress List messages.
> >
> > In the top part of that same box, beside "Body" you can put any name
> > you're searching for, or any other search "word" such as chancery, or
> > cct for example (CCT is something I've used to abbreviate Chancery
> > Court in some of my transcription messages).
> >
> > This method searches through ALL the text of ALL the messages of our
> > List, for whatever name or search word you want. It's a very powerful
> > tool.
> >
> > You can limit any search to certain dates or months or years, if you wish.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > To contact the POYTHRESS list administrator, send an email to
> > POYTHRESS-admin@rootsweb.com.
> >
> > To post a message to the POYTHRESS mailing list, send an email to
> > POYTHRESS@rootsweb.com.
> >
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> > End of POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 33
> > ****************************************
>
>
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> the subject and the body of the message		06/09/2008 5:39:07
Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 33sorry folks meant that email to go directly to Julie
Cindy H.
-------------- Original message from "Julie Cabitto" : --------------


> Barbara,
> Good to know which chanceries you had. I will definitely have to work on
> double checking the archives often when I have questions. And I'll print
> this email page to remember how to do that.
> When I get the chancery record, I will compare it with the archives
> to see if there's anything new learned. I'll just send in if anything is
> new. I thought I remembered a few things from the chancery being posted, but
> there was so much in it I had never seen. And my interest also is in all the
> other families involved too, because I'm related to them too.
> I'd not heard of Nancy House being married before and that House might
> not be her maiden name. That's something I'll have to look carefully at and
> see if there's any clues elsewhere in the document.
> Thanks for all this chancery info, and how much you've put in your
> archives!!
> Love, Julie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:

> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 3:01 AM
> Subject: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 33
>
>
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Thomas Poythress & William Warwick chancery Brunswick Co, VA
> > (Barbara Neal)
> > 2. William L Portress/ Poythress & Nancy Thomas Exr 1880-030CC
> > Mecklenburg Co, VA (Barbara Neal)
> > 3. Jones vs Admr of Harwell 1858-015 Chancery case Mecklenburg
> > Co, VA (Barbara Neal)
> > 4. Searching List Message Archives to save duplication of
> > efforts (Barbara Neal)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:23:15 -0600
> > From: "Barbara Neal"
> > Subject: [POYTHRESS] Thomas Poythress & William Warwick chancery
> > Brunswick Co, VA
> > To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> > Message-ID:
> > <7e4a72960806051723p53a4686dl2e8279cf0bfcfb55@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Sorry I've been off-line busy with other stuff for a while. Just saw
> > Julie's messages about chancery records, and look forward to learning
> > more from the Dortch, Speed, Taylor, etc chanceries that mention
> > Poythresses and their relatives, for helping us sort all of them out.
> >
> > To save you, Julie, from typing up transcriptions already done, here's
> > the quick key to finding the ones I did years ago re Thomas Poythress
> > & William Warwick in Brunswick County:
> >
> > Go to our Poythress research website:
> > www.poythress.net
> >
> > and there click on the top drop-down menu for:
> > Message Archives
> >
> > and there choose the one on the right side:
> > Browse Poythress Message Archives By Month and Year
> >
> > and there scroll down to November 2002, you will see in that month the
> > transcriptions I sent to our List concerning the various suits
> > involving Thomas Poythress & William Warwick.
> >
> > Best wishes to you, Julie, as y'all recover from the confusion of
> > having so much stuff packed away while your house is rebuilt from the
> > fire!
> > Barbara
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:43:15 -0600
> > From: "Barbara Neal"
> > Subject: [POYTHRESS] William L Portress/ Poythress & Nancy Thomas Exr
> > 1880-030CC Mecklenburg Co, VA
> > To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> > Message-ID:
> > <7e4a72960806052043q40df2e7bje4a57d16adaf507a@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > This case (mentioned by Julie the other day) is one that nearly 7
> > years ago, in August 2001, I had transcribed a few fragments from the
> > overlapping photocopies Craig Scott was so good to make for us in a
> > busy trip he had to the Library of VA, when he also copied other
> > chancery court info.
> >
> >>From that fragmentary info, we knew that:
> >
> > William L Portress / Poythress was grandson of Mrs. Nancy Thomas, who
> > died in Dec 1864; that her will was proved and admitted to record in
> > Mecklenburg; that bequeathed by her said will to him "by his name of
> > William L. Poythress" was the entire residue of her personal property,
> > after giving "certain small portions of personal property" to "certain
> > named legatees." We also knew that William gave his deposition Nov
> > 3rd 1879; that he had served in the Confederate Army at Petersburg in
> > Company "D" 44th Va Battalion when she died.
> >
> > I later saw the entire chancery case of about 100 pages at LVA, and
> > learned from looking through it that the value of her estate in
> > Confederate dollars became worthless at the end of the War in April
> > 1865, so William L Poythress never got any money. The handwriting on
> > many of the documents in the file is challenging to try to read. It
> > could well contain some valuable info I've failed to note here.
> >
> > I know it contains a lengthy deposition from William L Poythress, and
> > one from Nancy Thomas' executor named Riggan, and probably other
> > depositions, but I did not see another deposition from any other
> > Poythress.
> >
> > The case file indeed includes a copy of Nancy Thomas' will with one or
> > more codicils added after the will was originally made. I did not
> > transcribe her will & codicils but noted that they mentioned by name:
> > - her son Edward Thomas
> > - her daughter Rebecca Ann Tutor
> > - her daughter Amanda F. King
> > - her daughter Lucie J. Poythress
> > - her grandson Edward Griffith
> > - her grandson William L. Poythress
> >
> > This William L Portress vs Exr of Nancy Thomas case file also had
> > copies of appraisals and sale records for pages of specific items from
> > her estate, in Confederate dollars. One of the many, many purchasers
> > was listed simply as:
> > - Poythress, L.J. This would logically be the above-mentioned Lucie
> > J (Lucy/Lucie Jane nee Thomas) Poythress.
> >
> > FURTHER INFO
> > to help anyone not familiar with this family: Nancy Thomas, whose
> > will this was, married Bennett Thomas in Brunswick Co, VA -- per
> > Vogt's book of Brunswick marriages, on 25 March 1826. Her name when
> > they married was Nancy House. "House" was from her former husband
> > whose first name I don't know. Bennett's earlier wife was Patsy Jones.
> > Likely the above-listed daughters & the son were actually Nancy's
> > step-children -- from Bennett's first wife -- and long in her "blended
> > family" with Bennett Thomas. In Bennett Thomas' own will in
> > Mecklenburg Co, VA 1843, he specifically directs that his "dutiful son
> > in law" (stepson, we would say), Labon House receive the sum of $100.
> > All his other children are not named specifically in his will.
> >
> > A copy of Bennett Thomas' will was one of the documents I transcribed
> > one year ago for this List, in my June 7, 2007 message captioned
> > "Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery Case 1865-011" which was the case of
> > Thomas &C vs Thomas &C. Another lengthy document transcribed there
> > lists all 12 of Bennett's children & who each of them married. It
> > names Thomas Poythress as the person Lucie/Lucy Thomas married; this
> > Thomas Poythress was Thomas M Poythress.
> >
> > You can find that full document listing all Bennett Thomas' children &
> > their spouses in the List archives. Go to our Poythress research
> > website:
> > www.poythress.net
> >
> > and there click on the top drop-down menu for:
> > Message Archives
> >
> > and there choose the one on the right side:
> > Browse Poythress Message Archives By Month and Year
> >
> > and there scroll down to June 2007 and look for my June 7th message
> > captioned as mentioned above.
> >
> > ALSO:
> > Even when we are far away from where much of our genealogy info is
> > stored, keep in mind that it's fairly easy to double-check our List
> > archives for the ton of info we've had on the List thru the years.
> > For example, it's easy to find which numerous chancery cases I have
> > already transcribed by doing keyword searches on just two "words" --
> > (1) chancery, and (2) CCT (short for Chancery Court). I think I've
> > always used one or the other in the captions of those transcriptions.
> > You could also do a keyword search on "court" and perhaps find some
> > others.
> >
> > To do such a keyword search of the List archives:
> > Go to our Poythress research website:
> > www.poythress.net
> >
> > and there click on the top drop-down menu for:
> > Message Archives
> >
> > and there choose the one on the left side: Keyword Search Poythress
> > Message Archives
> >
> > In the resulting "Archives Search Engine" box, click on the "ADVANCED"
> > search tab.
> >
> > In the resulting box, beside "List" be sure to type Poythress, so it
> > will search only the Poythress List messages.
> >
> > In the top part of that same box, beside "Subject" is where I'd
> > recommend putting the word "chancery" or the word "CCT" (without the
> > quotation marks). That's all you need to put in that box. Then click
> > on Search.
> >
> > As you'll see from that Advanced Search Box, you can also search the
> > actual body of every message for any particular keyword, and you can
> > limit any search to certain dates or months or years, if you wish.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Barbara
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:02:09 -0600
> > From: "Barbara Neal"
> > Subject: [POYTHRESS] Jones vs Admr of Harwell 1858-015 Chancery case
> > Mecklenburg Co, VA
> > To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> > Message-ID:
> > <7e4a72960806052102k69fd1b03yd86d72e21f7c5dd0@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > This is another one that I transcribed earlier: see List message
> > archives for August 2001. The transcription was in my message
> > captioned "Mecklenburg Co, VA Circuit Court 1858-015 Chancery record"
> >
> > Sorry you were away from your records, Julie, and didn't realize this
> > one had been covered:(
> > Barbara
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:13:32 -0600
> > From: "Barbara Neal"
> > Subject: [POYTHRESS] Searching List Message Archives to save
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[POYTHRESS] Labon House? re Bennett Thomas Sr & wife Nancy, & Lucie Jane (Thomas) PoythressBarbara NealCindy & all,

I appreciate, Cindy, you having inadvertently sent to our Poythress
List the response you intended for Julie, re Nancy House. I'm hoping
to learn more not only about Nancy House, 2nd wife of Bennett Thomas
Sr, but also about Labon House.

>From your work where you've seen stuff on the House family, can you
please help me understand who Labon House was -- any idea of his
parents' names, wife, children? I think it could help me understand
better about Nancy House.

Cindy wrote: "Note on Nancy House. I have her will and I believe she
named her brother executor--?Isaac House--I will to check to make
sure. (of course it is in a box somewhere!!!!!). If that's so then
her maiden name was House?? Thanks for Chancery Case--that was one of
the ones I had ref. and notes but had never gotten a copy of."

I've looked back at Nancy's will as it was copied in the Chancery Case
of William L Portress/ Poythress & Nancy Thomas Exr 1880-030CC
Mecklenburg Co, VA (where Nancy's grandson William L. Poythress sued
Nancy's Executor) and I can't find the name of Isaac House mentioned
in that copy. Her executor named was E.H. Riggan, and the witnesses
to her will and codicil were W.T. Pennington, Benjamin Childress, and
L.J. Rose.

So I'm wondering if your recollection of Nancy's name and Isaac
House's name appearing together could possibly have been in some other
estate or chancery record that you've seen, but that I haven't seen?
It would be great to get clarification from whatever record is
available, that could help determine whether House was indeed Nancy's
maiden name.

The Labon House I've referred to above, is shown in the below
transcribed will of Bennett Thomas (Sr). In his will, his wife Nancy
Thomas (named as Nancy House when they married) is named, and Labon
House is named by Bennett as "my dutiful Son in law." This is
terminology that various genealogy speakers and writers have stated
could mean "stepson" in those years. His children are not nmed in his
will, but we know who his living children were when he died from the
Chancery Case. The Bill of Complaint in that case said that "at his
death left Twelve children; to wit, Taylor Thomas, Richard Thomas,
Chas. A. Thomas, Edward Thomas, Bennett Thomas Jr., David S. Thomas,
Kadijah Thomas who intermarried with Benja. Childress, Tabitha Thomas
who intermarried with John Wall, Emeline Thomas who intermarried with
Geo. W. King, Lucy Jane Thomas who intermarried with Thos. Poythress,
Rebecca A. Thomas, now Rebecca A. Tutor(,) and Amanda F. Thomas, now
Amanda F. King, these were the original Legatees and parties entitled
to distribution..." (You can see the full Bill of Complaint
transcribed in our Poythress List Message Archives, in my June 7, 2007
message of a year ago.)

Thanks for any further enlightenment on who Labon House is! Bennett
Thomas (Sr)'s will is transcribed below.
Barbara
= =
>From Chancery Case, William L Portress/ Poythress & Nancy Thomas Exr
1880-030CC Mecklenburg Co, VA
Bennett Thomas - - Will - - A copy (reads label on back)
I, Bennett Thomas of the County of Mecklenburg and state of Virginia,
living at this time in delicate health, but of sound mind, and
disposing memory, do make, constitute and ordain this as my last will
and testament (or "testimony" -- it is difficult to tell which word
over-wrote the other), revoking all others heretofore made, or
purporting to be made by me. Imprimis. It is my will and desire that
my Just debts be paid as early as can be done, having regard to the
best mode(?) in the sale of the expected crop of Tobacco and surplus
of all others which with the debts ___ (possibly the underline in this
copy indicates that the logical word here, "due" was left out in the
original) me and sale of negro woman Rhoda will no doubt effect this
my desired object._ and the remainder be expended in the purchase of a
young negro, which is to be comprehended in the succeeding bequest.
Item It is my will and desire that my wife Nancy Thomas have the use
of my Estate both real and personal for the support of herself and
maintenance of the children which may remain with her, for and during
her life and widdowhood(sic), and at a proper time after either event
shall cease, to,_(sic) I desire that my estate be equally divided
between all of my children or their heirs by blood, and at this
juncture I desire that my dutiful Son in law Labon House receive the
sum of One hundred Dollars or its equivalent. Item I desire (as early
after my decease as may be convenient) that such of my children by
former marriage as have not received a bed may then be furnished one
or its equivolent(sic) at the option of my wife. Lastly, I hereby
nominate constitue(sic) & appoint my brother David Thomas and my
worthy friend Saml. Goode Esqr. executors of this my last will, with a
strong desire that each of them may take upon themselves the trouble
of Execution thereof. In witness I have hereunto set my hand and
affixed my seal this the 18" day of August 1800 & forty three.
Bennet his mark Thomas Seal
Signed sealed and acknowledged
In presence of us, and of each other
and at the request of the testator
George R. Taylor, Nicholas Joyce, W.T. Pennington
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County at the Court house thereof on
the 18" day of December 1843 - The foregoing last will and testament
of Bennet Thomas dec was produced in court and proved by the oaths of
the subscribing witnesses thereto and ordered to be Recorded.
Teste Richd. B. Baptist C
A copy Teste R.F. Clack
3 January 1865		06/09/2008 11:47:00
Re: [POYTHRESS] Labon House? re Bennett Thomas Sr & wife Nancy, & Lucie Jane (Thomas) PoythressBarbara NealThanks, Cindy, for the additional info. I'm copying this to our
Poythress-List so they're not left hanging on this issue; we have List
members descended from Bennett Thomas, and they may be looking for the
response. Maybe some of them will care enough to delve deeper to prove
whether Bennett Thomas' 2nd wife Nancy's name was House from a prior
marriage or her maiden name. Just seemed likely to me that she had
been previously married & Labon House mentioned in Bennett's will was
her son from that prior marriage, and thus Bennett's step-son; I
certainly have no proof either way

Thanks again for your input & clarification. Good luck with your
Thomas etc research,
Barbara

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 8:15 AM, wrote:
> Barbara
> I would like to apologize to everyone for inadvertently posting and also for
> posting something that I vaguely remembered from a few years ago and not
> going back to check my notes.
>
> I have now checked more closely at what I have. The note I was referring to
> was from the index of a Will book for Bennett Thomas. The entry was not
> clear to me and I put in my notes: Son-in law ??Isham (Issac???). I knew
> that none of Bennett's daughters had married a House so this entry was
> confusing to me.
> I have not seen Bennett's will and did not know that the name was Labon at
> the time.
> I also had not considered that Nancy had been previously married at that
> time. Given that I rechecked some of the marriage index notes I have.
>
> When I saw the entry I dug around a bit--looking for Isham or Isaac House.
> Isham does not exist but there were several references to Isaac House.
>
> I also came across the name Laban (Leban) House, but did not make the
> connection until now.
>
> So reviewing my notes: connection or not--viewing of actual record may clear
> some things up-
> 1. Hartwell House married Nancy Harrison, Dec 17, 1818, Brunswick Co., VA
> If looking for Nancy's maiden name
> I also had a listing for Oliver House married Nancy Gould in Lewis Co
> -- probably not relevent
> 2. Laban House married Elizabeth Barnes, Dec 11, 1841 in Brunswick Co., VA
> 3. The name Laban House is not in 1850 Brunswick or Mecklenburg VA
> census-deceased or does he use another name???
> 4. Three Elizabeth Houses are listed in 1850 Brunswick County Census
> One probably too old; One too young
> the third is Elizabeth House age 25 with John House age 30 and George
> House age 6 and Missouri House age 3; Brunswick Co., Northern Division,
> household #408.
> They are the right age and Labon could be going by another name. Otherwise
> Labon has d ied by 1850, and Elizabeth remarried; or moved to another
> area---This is where I stopped-since my main emphasis at the time was trying
> to track done Robert M. Thomas' parents.
> I had that difficulty with my Thomas ancestor -since he went by Robert M.
> Thomas, RM Thomas and Massenburg Thomas on 3 different census, so it is
> possible that Labon is also named John, but that will take more research.
>
> I also noted a birth of a Laban House on April 14, 1879 to a JM and Winfree
> House--related somehow??
>
> Apologize about confusion
> I have a bit more--I will check carefully this time
> Wish I could have been more help
> Cindy		06/10/2008 5:57:12
Re: [POYTHRESS] Lebon/Labon House & Thomas Surname ConnectionBarbara NealThanks, Elaine. This 8-month-old child Labon could well have been
named for the earlier Labon House -- who I think may have been
step-brother to this child's mother, Lucy Jane (nee Thomas). Hope
all's well with you & yours, and that you've made note of my fairly
new Gmail address.
Barbara		06/10/2008 11:24:54
Re: [POYTHRESS] Lebon/Labon House & Thomas Surname ConnectionHi Cindy and Barbara. I do not know if this would give you an avenue to go
down regarding connections of the Thomas Surname and House Surname but under
the Poythress Census Records starting in 1870 Mecklenburg VA.in the household
of Thomas M. Poythress one of his children is Lebon or Labon Poythress. Just
food for thought.

Take Care,
Elaine



Thanks, Cindy, for the additional info. I'm copying this to our
Poythress-List so they're not left hanging on this issue; we have List
members descended from Bennett Thomas, and they may be looking for the
response. Maybe some of them will care enough to delve deeper to prove
whether Bennett Thomas' 2nd wife Nancy's name was House from a prior
marriage or her maiden name. Just seemed likely to me that she had
been previously married & Labon House mentioned in Bennett's will was
her son from that prior marriage, and thus Bennett's step-son; I
certainly have no proof either way

Thanks again for your input & clarification. Good luck with your
Thomas etc research,
Barbara

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 8:15 AM, wrote:
> Barbara
> I would like to apologize to everyone for inadvertently posting and also
for
> posting something that I vaguely remembered from a few years ago and not
> going back to check my notes.
>
> I have now checked more closely at what I have. The note I was referring
to
> was from the index of a Will book for Bennett Thomas. The entry was not
> clear to me and I put in my notes: Son-in law ??Isham (Issac???). I knew
> that none of Bennett's daughters had married a House so this entry was
> confusing to me.
> I have not seen Bennett's will and did not know that the name was Labon at
> the time.
> I also had not considered that Nancy had been previously married at that
> time. Given that I rechecked some of the marriage index notes I have.
>
> When I saw the entry I dug around a bit--looking for Isham or Isaac House.
> Isham does not exist but there were several references to Isaac House.
>
> I also came across the name Laban (Leban) House, but did not make the
> connection until now.
>
> So reviewing my notes: connection or not--viewing of actual record may
clear
> some things up-
> 1. Hartwell House married Nancy Harrison, Dec 17, 1818, Brunswick Co., VA
> If looking for Nancy's maiden name
> I also had a listing for Oliver House married Nancy Gould in Lewis Co
> -- probably not relevent
> 2. Laban House married Elizabeth Barnes, Dec 11, 1841 in Brunswick Co., VA
> 3. The name Laban House is not in 1850 Brunswick or Mecklenburg VA
> census-deceased or does he use another name???
> 4. Three Elizabeth Houses are listed in 1850 Brunswick County Census
> One probably too old; One too young
> the third is Elizabeth House age 25 with John House age 30 and George
> House age 6 and Missouri House age 3; Brunswick Co., Northern Division,
> household #408.
> They are the right age and Labon could be going by another name.
Otherwise
> Labon has d ied by 1850, and Elizabeth remarried; or moved to another
> area---This is where I stopped-since my main emphasis at the time was
trying
> to track done Robert M. Thomas' parents.
> I had that difficulty with my Thomas ancestor -since he went by Robert M.
> Thomas, RM Thomas and Massenburg Thomas on 3 different census, so it is
> possible that Labon is also named John, but that will take more research.
>
> I also noted a birth of a Laban House on April 14, 1879 to a JM and
Winfree
> House--related somehow??
>
> Apologize about confusion
> I have a bit more--I will check carefully this time
> Wish I could have been more help
> Cindy





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[POYTHRESS] NCAA Baseball World SeriesJohn M. PoythressIf you happen to get ESPN2. at 2:00 PM (EDT) tomorrow the University of Georgia

plays (I think) Stanford.



The star first baseman for the University of Georgia is one Rich Poythress. I don't

know a thing about him except a) the announcers pronounce his name correctly and

b) he is from someplace in North Carolina and was highly recruited in high school.

He apparently had a good press agent in high school because his team's results were

frequently posted on the web and cited him specifically. If you prowl the net as I do

it's likely you have seen his laurels posted.



Just in case you might want to watch.



Maynard		06/20/2008 3:40:04
[POYTHRESS] NCAA College World SeriesJohn M. PoythressIf you missed it at 2PM today on ESPN you missed a great show!



University of Georgia played themselves into the finals which begin Monday

night in prime time. Our boy Rich Poythress killed Sanford in a 10-8 game.

Rich went 4 for 5...3 doubles and a single and 5 runs batted in.



If you want to see it Monday night it's on ESPN2 at 8 PM.



Maynard		06/21/2008 5:59:44
Re: [POYTHRESS] NCAA Baseball World SeriesThanks Maynard. I will watch. I love Baseball & I love Georgia.

Judy
-------------- Original message from "John M. Poythress" : --------------


> If you happen to get ESPN2. at 2:00 PM (EDT) tomorrow the University of Georgia
>
> plays (I think) Stanford.
>
>
> The star first baseman for the University of Georgia is one Rich Poythress. I
> don't
>
> know a thing about him except a) the announcers pronounce his name correctly and
> b) he is from someplace in North Carolina and was highly recruited in high
> school.
> He apparently had a good press agent in high school because his team's results
> were
> frequently posted on the web and cited him specifically. If you prowl the net
> as I do
>
> it's likely you have seen his laurels posted.
>
>
>
> Just in case you might want to watch.
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
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> the subject and the body of the message		06/21/2008 6:57:45
Re: [POYTHRESS] NCAA College World SeriesHey Maynard,

We always watch the CWS even when GA isn't in it. GA and Cudden Rich are
doing absolutely fantastic.

Is Rich one of our'n? He's got to be. He's from Grovetown, GA. Is that
near Sylvania? Find out how he's related and when he gets to be a big leaguer,
maybe he can get us tickets.

Hope you, Jean and all are well.

The granchillun are beautiful. Know you're proud.

Love.

Margie



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Re: [POYTHRESS] NCAA College World Seriesbspeth1Grovetown is close to Augusta, Ga. and is right at the gates of Ft. Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] NCAA College World Series


> Hey Maynard,
>
> We always watch the CWS even when GA isn't in it. GA and Cudden Rich are
> doing absolutely fantastic.
>
> Is Rich one of our'n? He's got to be. He's from Grovetown, GA. Is that
> near Sylvania? Find out how he's related and when he gets to be a big
> leaguer,
> maybe he can get us tickets.
>
> Hope you, Jean and all are well.
>
> The granchillun are beautiful. Know you're proud.
>
> Love.
>
> Margie
>
>
>
> **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
> fuel-efficient used cars.
> (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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> quotes in the subject and the body of the message		06/22/2008 4:33:43
[POYTHRESS] FW: Behold Virginia: The Jurisdictional Challenge-John M. PoythressPerhaps of use to some of us:



_____

From: rssfwd@rssfwd.com [mailto:rssfwd@rssfwd.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 7:21 AM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Behold Virginia: The Jurisdictional Challenge-



Behold Virginia: The Jurisdictional Challenge-A Preliminary Checklist

c2008, Arlene H. Eakle, The Genealogical Institute, PO Box 129, Tremonton UT 84337

Virginia Jurisdictions and Genealogical Research





Government Jurisdictions:
General Court (Governor and his Council)
House of Burgesses (Local Justices of the Peace)

Court Districts: District of West Augusta [V]
Superior Court Districts (3) 1802-1812
District of Prince Edward

County: 8 est. 1634, 61 in 1775, 100 now
41 have suffered record loss [VIII]

Local Justices of the Peace est. 1662,
4 in each county 1775

Independent City: 4 corporations est. 1619 [VIII]
38 now. Also called "Burgs" or boroughs
not subject to county jurisdiction

Parish: 56 functioning in 18th century [II]
Civil government jurisdiction
Church of England ecclesiastical jurisdiction
Abolished as government jurisdiction c. 1780

Hundreds: 44 est. 1619 to support 100 families each
include Jordan's Journey, Shirley Hundred, Berkeley Hundred
largely replaced by parish and county

Militia Districts in each parish, county, and Independent City

Military Jurisdictions:
Military Bounty Land Districts: 2 areas used for French and Indian War:
Old Rowan area of NC, 1755-63; Both sides of Ohio River, 1755-63.
3 areas used for Revolutionary War Service: Ohio, 1784-1876
Kentucky (south of Green River), 1781-91
Indiana (Illinois Regiment under George Rogers Clark)

Forts: 4 est. 1645, commanded by powerful and prominent men,
received land grants of 600 acres each for providing stockade

Stations: 28 set up for frontier defense in 18th century,
also called blockhouses; received land grants of 600 acres each [VIII]

Special and Private Jurisdictions:
Council Grants of Jurisdiction and Land: [I]
Northern Neck Proprietary, 1690-1874
Benjamin Borden Grant
Beverley Manor Grant

Manors: Several located in what is now West Virginia
Cedar Creek, Dunmore County (defunct county)
Leeds, Fauquier and Dunmore Counties
Potomac, Berkeley County
South Branch, Berkeley County
Patterson Creek, Great Falls, Swan Ponds, Gooney Run, Greenway Court
-all located within Northern Neck Proprietary

Commercial, Mercantile Jurisdictions:
Merchants: Association of Merchants, 1770 included 74 [IV]
John Norton & Co. of London and Virginia, 1750-95
Lloyd's of London; William Cunningham and Co;
Buchanans of Greenock, Glasgow, and London

Chiswell Lead Mines, owned by Col. John Chiswell, Sr.
Accounts 1778-1789, include lists of Black and Indian slaves
hired from plantations in Eastern Virginia
to work in the mines during the American Revolution

Ports: 7 Ports-Subject to Admiralty Law

Joint-Stock Companies: based in England, Royal-sanctioned
Virginia Company: jurisdiction over whole colony,
became Royal Colony 1624 after Indian Massacre of 1623
50 acres of land per share, increased to 100 acres
Berkeley Company: Gloucestershire England; Berkeley Hundred, Virginia

Land Companies: 18th c. in West Augusta, KY, TN, Ohio [II, V]

Tobacco Warehouses: 66 listed in 1732 to store, market, and ship the crop. Incl.
Alexandria (orig. called Belhaven), Dumfries, Lynchburg, Quantico [IX]

Note: Roman Numeral indicates the volume of Arlene Eakle's Virginia Scrapbooks where this
jurisdiction is listed, mapped, or discussed. A more detailed and illustrated treatment
can be found in Virginia Jurisdictions and Your Genealogical Research-NEW in 2008. [This
was to be a part of the Virginia Scrapbooks series-it is too long, and is a work of
original research. So I will publish it as a separate book.] Your favorite Virginia
genealogist, Arlene Eakle http://www.arleneeakle.com

PS You'll want your own copy of Virginia Jurisdictions. So put it on your wish list! I'll
print the Table of Contents soon.

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06/22/2008 7:14:00
[POYTHRESS] HeadlinesJohn M. PoythressHey, guys and gals, we're in the headlines:



http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=3455440



I missed when I said the guy was from NC; he's from a little town called

Grovetown, GA which is right outside of Augusta. He's just gotta be one

of our'n.



College World series finals (GA vs Fresno State) is best two of three and

begins on ESPN2 nationwide at 7PM EDT tonight.



If you missed Saturday's semi-final game, Rich just killed 'em.4 for 5,

three doubles and a single and 6 RBI's in a 10-8 win.



Maynard		06/23/2008 4:28:33
[POYTHRESS] New online archives location for USGenWeb transcription filesBarbara NealFYI, in case you haven't followed the migration of USGenWeb archives
files, those that were formerly on RootsWeb have been moved to
www.usgwarchives.org



06/25/2008 9:55:36
Re: [POYTHRESS] "The Poythress"Randy JonesBad area of town.
I didn't see any pricing, so I assume it's expensive.
  -- Randy Jones



----- Original Message ----
From: John M. Poythress
To: AA Poythress List
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:00:03 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] "The Poythress"

There's a room waiting for you:  http://thepoythress.com/contact.html



I have wondered if they had dredged the name up out of colonial times.

That first photograph suggests the place was the home of W. P. Poythress'

drug company.  I'm still looking for one of those medicine bottles.



Interesting.



Maynard



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[POYTHRESS] "The Poythress"John M. PoythressThere's a room waiting for you: http://thepoythress.com/contact.html



I have wondered if they had dredged the name up out of colonial times.

That first photograph suggests the place was the home of W. P. Poythress'

drug company. I'm still looking for one of those medicine bottles.



Interesting.



Maynard




06/29/2008 2:00:03
Re: [POYTHRESS] Fw: FW: ConfessionIn a message dated 7/2/2008 12:46:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _dandd_
(mailto:dandd@bellsouth.net) writes:


Subject: Fw: FW: Confession
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:59:34 +0000

**************

From: dickgagliardi@hotmail.com
To: drago@cyberbeach.net; mackay.m@sbcglobal.net; ruthpetrone7@comcast.net
Subject: FW: Confession
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:01:39 -0400




--- On Sat, 6/28/08, Delbert Haselhorst wrote:

Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 1:35 PM

An elderly Italian man went to the local church for confession.
When the priest slid open the panel in the confessional, the man said,
'Father ... Way back during World War II, a beautiful Jewish woman from our
neighbourhood knocked urgently on my door and asked me to hide her from the Nazis.
So I hid her in my attic.'

The priest replied, 'That was a wonderful thing you did, my son! And you
have no need to confess that.'

'No, no, Father. There is more to tell. She started to repay me with sexual
favours. This happened several t imes a week and sometimes twice o n
Sundays.'

The priest said, 'By doing that, you placed yourselves in great danger of
being discovered; however, two people under those circumstances can easily
succumb to the weakness of the flesh. If you are truly sorry for your actions,
you are indeed forgiven.'

'Thank you, Father. That's a great load off my mind but I do have one more
question.'

'And what is that, my son?' asked the priest.


'Should I tell her the war is over?'


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[POYTHRESS] FW: Independence Week: A Virginia PerspectiveJohn M. PoythressLatest from Mrs. Eakle. I'm definitely going to buy "The Cousins' War" now that I know

it treats with the theme that the American War Between the States actually started in

England some 150 years earlier, I belief I have long held personally. The compliments

about the VA genealogy are icing on the cake. It's about 18 bucks on Amazon.



You all have a happy and safe 4th.



Maynard



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Subject: Independence Week: A Virginia Perspective



This is Independence Week-when we celebrate our most significant American commodity:
"Liberty and Justice for All."

July 2nd: Anniversary of adoption by the Continental Congress, sitting in Philadelphia, 2
July 1776, of a resolution by Richard Henry Lee of Virginia (actually proposed 7 June
1776).

"Resolved, That these United States are, and of right ought to be, free and independent
States, that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all
political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is, and ought to be,
totally dissolved. That it is expedient forthwith to take the most effectual measures for
forming foreign Alliances. That a plan of confederation be prepared and transmitted to
the respective Colonies for their consideration and approbation."

On July 4th 1776, the Declaration of Independence, written by the pen of Thomas
Jefferson, was officially adopted by the Congress and signed by John Hancock in the
presence of Charles Thomson, Secretary. Other signatures were added 2 August 1776: "The
declaration of independence being engrossed and compared at the table was signed by the
members." (Congressional Journal)

The resolution and the declaration were acts of treason-especially the resolve to form
alliances with foreign powers.

May I recommend two volumes for your summer reading list:

1. "I Love Paul Revere, Whether He Rode or Not!" (Warren Harding) by Richard
Shenkman. New York: Harper Collins, 1991. Shenkman describes many traditions, cherished
myths, and legends of American history. This is a favorite pastime of some writers who
love to debunk what they call "self-serving" patriotic myths peddled by politicians. You
will find some enlightenment as well as entertainment in his book-including the parts that
Virginians did not take.
2. The Cousins' Wars by Kevin Phillips. New York: Basic Books, 1999. Phillips
makes a good case for the impact of religious politics and religion in politics as the
underlying difference between New England (spread westward all the way to the Pacific
Ocean) and The South (spread to and including Texas and Arizona). You will find his
thesis fascinating-that these differences originate in the British Isles and lead to civil
war both in the American Revolution and the War Between the States. And his collection of
evidence valuable, especially for accurate genealogical research in Virginia.

Your favorite Virginia genealogist, Arlene Eakle http://www.arleneeakle.com

PS Watch this blog. I plan to discuss on these differences in great detail. One of our
greatest research challenges is connecting an ancestor from Missouri or Kentucky or
Arkansas or Georgia with Virginia with proof that the person in Virginia is the same
person!

PPS Have a grand and glorious, safe 4th of July. I think I'll veg on my patio with The
Cousins' War!

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[POYTHRESS] Norfolk Co Tithables 1732John M. PoythressSending this one along in case anyone has an interest in
Norfolk County.

I've scanned all the pages and didn't see any Poythresses
or related names.

Maynard




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Today's Topics:

1. Norfolk, Va., 1732 Tithables (Yvonne and Steve)
2. Re: Norfolk, Va., 1732 Tithables (Francie Lane)


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Our rented microfilms have been extremely slow in arriving. We have ordered
9 microfilms since the first of April and the first 5 have finally showed up
this week. We have scanned the first 2 of these, the Norfolk Tithables Lists
for 1732-1788. The lists are very nicely identified but poorly organized.
Specific years show up on both microfilms. We have reorganized the entire
contents of both films.

Our newest free sample is the 1732 Norfolk Tithables Lists. You can access
these new free samples at (look for the NEW icon):

http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/FreeSampleIndex.htm

There are 15 images. All the images total about 10 mbs. Have fun. And Happy
Independence Day !!

Steve and Bunny

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Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 00:54:47 -0700
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Thank you - Steve & Bunny - for the clear images of Norfolk Co.'s 1732
Tithables.
I found my Taylor family and can easily see all the surrounding neighbors. It's
wonderful!
Please let the VA Southside list know when more lists to 1788 become available.

Happy 4th of July to everyone!

Francie

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Brunswick County VA Preston-Poythress bastardy bondJohn M. PoythressGreat job. I'll just paste yours in instead of mine. MP

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From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
Barbara Neal
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:22 PM
To: poythress
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Brunswick County VA Preston-Poythress bastardy bond

Thanks to the current May 2008 issue of the Virginia Genealogical
Society's "Magazine of Virginia Genealogy" and thanks to Maynard
seeking their permission, and getting their permission and the
approval and encouragement of the transcriber, Frankie Liles, to alert
our fellow Poythress researchers to this document filed 215 years ago
in Brunswick County, Virginia!

I hope other researchers accept this document in the same spirit as I
do. I note that Joshua Preston was my ggg-grandfather. I realize that
our ancestors had their foibles, just as we of the current day do; no
one is perfect. Any document furnishes us with additional information
regarding what was happening, when, and where, in our ancestors'
lives, and frequently gives us info about their close
associates/friends/relatives. It is good that Joshua made the bond,
as he was expected to do, under the practices of the day. I am
pleased to see this additional document regarding him, that shows an
additional association with the Poythress family, too.

Info in square brackets [like these] in the first line were added by
me for clarification regarding the superscript I cannot show. See my
further comments regarding the various parties, below the
transcription. Spelling is as shown in the VGS published
transcription.

6 July 1793
Prestons
to Bond
The Court

Joshua [transcribed as Josha, with the "a" being a superscript, which
RootsWeb messages cannot show properly] Prestons Bond for Maintaining
a bastard Child

Know all men by these presents that we Joshua preston & Wetherington
Preston of the County of Brunswick and state of Virginia are held & firmly
Bound Unto the Worshipfull of Court of said County in the full & Just sum of
One Hundred pounds Current money [of] Virginia we lend Ourselves Our heirs
Executors, &c. in witness whereof we have set our hands and seals this
Sixth Day
of July 1793 -
The Condition of this Obligation is such that the above Joshua Preston hath
Begotten a bastard Child On the body of a Certain Betsey Band [or Bond] of
Said County, which will appear by the Certificate herein Inclosd -
Now if the above Said Joshua preston & Weatherington Preston dou provide for,
and keep Said Bastard Child from being Chargable to Said County untill She the
Said Child shall be of age to be bound agreeable to Law, that then the above
Obligation to be Void Else to Remain in force & Virtue. Joshua preston Seal
Signed and Sealed in presence of
Jas Fletcher
Tho. Poythress
Weatherinton Preston Seal

(Brunswick County Ordinary Keeper Bonds, Bridge Bonds & Bastardy Bond
1765, 1786-1802)
Permission and appreciation to Ms. Frankie Liles (transcriber) and
attribution to Magazine
of Virginia Genealogy ,Vol. 46 (2008), No. 2, p. 118.

Comments:
Those charged with the oversight of the county welfare system were
reluctant to take on the cost of the upkeep of children born out of
wedlock. Consequently, efforts were made to identify the father and
make him responsible for the costs of maintaining the child.

With regard to those whose names appear in the document:

Weatherington Preston and Joshua Preston (who was born about Fall
1759; birth year computed from his 1833 testimony in Brunswick Co for
a pension based on his Revolutionary War service) were brothers: they
were two of 8 siblings named in the Brunswick Co, VA will of their
father, Thomas Preston. His will was signed in Sep 1797 and proved in
Sep 1798. (Note: I'll be glad to send a copy of my transcription of
Joshua Preston's pension application to anyone wanting it: National
Archives file S8981 for Virginia Continental Line Service.) So
Joshua was about 33 at the time of the bond.

Witness James Fletcher was Sheriff of Brunswick County at the time.

Witness Thomas Poythress is at least a neighboring friend of the
family, and at least later was a kinsman of Joshua's to some degree:
Catherine Preston (b. 20 Jan 1800 Brunswick Co, VA), a later & lawful
daughter of Joshua Preston, married James E. Poythress (Feb 1828
Brunswick Co, VA).

Betsey Band/Bond is otherwise unidentified; no name is known for her
female child by Joshua Preston.

Timing: Not long before this bond, Joshua Preston, on 20 Dec 1792 in
Mecklenburg Co, VA (adjacent to Brunswick Co), had married Leshia
Feagins, per Mecklenburg County's listing of marriage returns from
minister John Loyd. If one assumes a bastardy bond is filed soon after
the birth of a child, then this marriage of Joshua's likely occurred
soon after he had gotten Betsey Band/Bond pregnant: Joshua & Leshia's
marriage date was less than 7 months before the bastardy bond's 6 July
1793 date, and likely 6 months, or less, before Betsey Band/Bond's
daughter's birth. (I have no further info about the woman Joshua
married, Leshia Feagins.)

By the way, on the same page of Mecklenburg County ministers returns,
exactly one week after the 20 Dec 1792 marriage of Joshua Preston,
appears the 27 Dec 1792 marriage of Lewis Poythress and Elizabeth
Giles. Lewis Poythress was son of a Thomas Poythress -- who could well
be the same Thomas Poythress witnessing the above bond.

Barbara Poythress Neal

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[POYTHRESS] Brunswick County VA Preston-Poythress bastardy bondBarbara NealThanks to the current May 2008 issue of the Virginia Genealogical
Society's "Magazine of Virginia Genealogy" and thanks to Maynard
seeking their permission, and getting their permission and the
approval and encouragement of the transcriber, Frankie Liles, to alert
our fellow Poythress researchers to this document filed 215 years ago
in Brunswick County, Virginia!

I hope other researchers accept this document in the same spirit as I
do. I note that Joshua Preston was my ggg-grandfather. I realize that
our ancestors had their foibles, just as we of the current day do; no
one is perfect. Any document furnishes us with additional information
regarding what was happening, when, and where, in our ancestors'
lives, and frequently gives us info about their close
associates/friends/relatives. It is good that Joshua made the bond,
as he was expected to do, under the practices of the day. I am
pleased to see this additional document regarding him, that shows an
additional association with the Poythress family, too.

Info in square brackets [like these] in the first line were added by
me for clarification regarding the superscript I cannot show. See my
further comments regarding the various parties, below the
transcription. Spelling is as shown in the VGS published
transcription.

6 July 1793
Prestons
to Bond
The Court

Joshua [transcribed as Josha, with the "a" being a superscript, which
RootsWeb messages cannot show properly] Prestons Bond for Maintaining
a bastard Child

Know all men by these presents that we Joshua preston & Wetherington
Preston of the County of Brunswick and state of Virginia are held & firmly
Bound Unto the Worshipfull of Court of said County in the full & Just sum of
One Hundred pounds Current money [of] Virginia we lend Ourselves Our heirs
Executors, &c. in witness whereof we have set our hands and seals this
Sixth Day
of July 1793 -
The Condition of this Obligation is such that the above Joshua Preston hath
Begotten a bastard Child On the body of a Certain Betsey Band [or Bond] of
Said County, which will appear by the Certificate herein Inclosd -
Now if the above Said Joshua preston & Weatherington Preston dou provide for,
and keep Said Bastard Child from being Chargable to Said County untill She the
Said Child shall be of age to be bound agreeable to Law, that then the above
Obligation to be Void Else to Remain in force & Virtue. Joshua preston Seal
Signed and Sealed in presence of
Jas Fletcher
Tho. Poythress
Weatherinton Preston Seal

(Brunswick County Ordinary Keeper Bonds, Bridge Bonds & Bastardy Bond
1765, 1786-1802)
Permission and appreciation to Ms. Frankie Liles (transcriber) and
attribution to Magazine
of Virginia Genealogy ,Vol. 46 (2008), No. 2, p. 118.

Comments:
Those charged with the oversight of the county welfare system were
reluctant to take on the cost of the upkeep of children born out of
wedlock. Consequently, efforts were made to identify the father and
make him responsible for the costs of maintaining the child.

With regard to those whose names appear in the document:

Weatherington Preston and Joshua Preston (who was born about Fall
1759; birth year computed from his 1833 testimony in Brunswick Co for
a pension based on his Revolutionary War service) were brothers: they
were two of 8 siblings named in the Brunswick Co, VA will of their
father, Thomas Preston. His will was signed in Sep 1797 and proved in
Sep 1798. (Note: I'll be glad to send a copy of my transcription of
Joshua Preston's pension application to anyone wanting it: National
Archives file S8981 for Virginia Continental Line Service.) So
Joshua was about 33 at the time of the bond.

Witness James Fletcher was Sheriff of Brunswick County at the time.

Witness Thomas Poythress is at least a neighboring friend of the
family, and at least later was a kinsman of Joshua's to some degree:
Catherine Preston (b. 20 Jan 1800 Brunswick Co, VA), a later & lawful
daughter of Joshua Preston, married James E. Poythress (Feb 1828
Brunswick Co, VA).

Betsey Band/Bond is otherwise unidentified; no name is known for her
female child by Joshua Preston.

Timing: Not long before this bond, Joshua Preston, on 20 Dec 1792 in
Mecklenburg Co, VA (adjacent to Brunswick Co), had married Leshia
Feagins, per Mecklenburg County's listing of marriage returns from
minister John Loyd. If one assumes a bastardy bond is filed soon after
the birth of a child, then this marriage of Joshua's likely occurred
soon after he had gotten Betsey Band/Bond pregnant: Joshua & Leshia's
marriage date was less than 7 months before the bastardy bond's 6 July
1793 date, and likely 6 months, or less, before Betsey Band/Bond's
daughter's birth. (I have no further info about the woman Joshua
married, Leshia Feagins.)

By the way, on the same page of Mecklenburg County ministers returns,
exactly one week after the 20 Dec 1792 marriage of Joshua Preston,
appears the 27 Dec 1792 marriage of Lewis Poythress and Elizabeth
Giles. Lewis Poythress was son of a Thomas Poythress -- who could well
be the same Thomas Poythress witnessing the above bond.

Barbara Poythress Neal		07/06/2008 11:22:03
[POYTHRESS] 6 Jan 1810John M. Poythress

An ACT authorising Doctor James Cocke to remove certain Negroes
into the State of Maryland.

WHEREAS the said James Cocke hath, by his petition set forth, that in the year eighteen
hun-
dred and four, he removed from Virginia to this state, but being then undetermined as to
the
place of his permanent residence, he did not avail himself of the power he enjoyed under
the acts of
assembly, to bring into this state, at the time of his said removal, or within twelve
months thereat
ter, certain negroes which he was entitled to, and possessed of, under the last will and
testament of
his grand-father John Poythress, and his father James Cocke, and hath prayed that a law
may pass,
authorising him to remove the said negroes, as slaves, from the state of Virginia into the
state of
Maryland, in the same manner that he could have done at the time of his removal as
aforesaid; and
the prayer of the said petition appearing reasonable, therefore,

II. BE IT ENACTED, by the General Assembly of Maryland, That the said James Cocke be and
he is
hereby authorised and empowered, at any time or times within twelve months after the
passage of
this act, to remove and bring into this state the said negro slaves, or any of them, and
their issue,
in the same manner that he might or could have done at the time of his own removal herein,
any law
to the contrary thereof in any wise notwithstanding, provided the said doctor James Cocke
register
the said negroes, and their issue, in Baltimore county court, in the same manner as he by
law would
have been compelled to do had he have brought them into this state within one year after
his remo-
val from Virginia as aforesaid, and provided said negroes be of that description allowed
by the laws
of this state to be removed and brought into this state.



















07/07/2008 9:04:00
[POYTHRESS] Norfolk County 1782 TithablesJohn M. PoythressBelow is the URL for Binn's Genealogy's latest freebie, a
tithables list (proxy for a census) for Norfolk County. This county (cities of Portsmouth
and today's Virginia Beach) was heavily populated in 1782 as it was at the southern edge
of the entrance to Chesapeake Bay.

The tax list is 73 pages and the Binns' caution to be patient is appropriate. It's long.
It's further complicated because some of it is alphabetized and some of it is not. There
were numerous enumerators. Some even alphabetized by first name. On the whole,
penmanship and
microfilm clarity is good except in the half dozen instances where the pages are damaged.

Still, if you have any interest in the area it is likely a good source. I have already
scanned for Poythresses, of which I found none. I omitted an Ann Portis who shows on
pages 27 and 66 in case you may wish to deem her a Poythress and include her.

Maynard


Today's Topics:

1. Norfolk, Va., 1782 Tithables (Yvonne and Steve)


We always try to post the earliest, most complete, and legible tax list when
we scan a new microfilm. Normally this would be a 1782 personal property or
land tax list. These make a nice "1782 Census". In this case we have a set
of 1782 tithable lists, not a personal property or land tax list. However,
these would substitute nicely for inclusion in a "1782 Census".

Our newest free sample is the 1782 Norfolk Colonial Tithable Lists. You can
access these new free samples at (look for the NEW icon):

http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/FreeSampleIndex.htm

There are 73 images. All the images total about 46 mbs. Be patient and have
fun.

Steve and Bunny

Binns Genealogy CD Series
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http://www.BinnsGenealogy.com/		07/16/2008 7:02:05
[POYTHRESS] 1782 Tithables Amelia CountyJohn M. PoythressLatest freebie from the Binns'es. 1782 Amelia tithables

Saw no Poythresses;
Couple of related names:
Wm Cryer 18 slaves
Col. Peter Eppes 11 "
Thomas Woodlief 6 "

Maynard


Today's Topics:

1. Amelia, Va., 1782 Tithables (Yvonne and Steve)

Like with our Norfolk Tithable Lists we also have 1782 Tithable
Lists for Amelia. Our newest free sample is the 1782 Amelia Colonial
Tithable Lists. You can access these new free samples at (look for
the NEW icon):

http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/FreeSampleIndex.htm

There are 49 images. All the images total about 27 mbs. Have fun.

Steve and Bunny

Binns Genealogy CD Series
Scanned Microfilm Images on CD
http://www.BinnsGenealogy.com/		07/19/2008 10:45:36
[POYTHRESS] Capt. Joshua Poythress RBB 211 21John M. PoythressPosted today to database:



23 Oct 1855

Capt. Joshua Poythress arrives Port of New York on ship Northumberland. Record states:

"Estimated birth year 'abt 1795'; Port of Departure: London; Nationality: American; age
60;

Place of Origin: United States of America. (Source: Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving
at

New York, New York, 1820-1897, National Archives Microfilm Publication T-715).



Notes: this is almost certainly Joshua Poythress RBB 211 21 who married Jane Angus

Mills in 1810 in Petersburg. Mr. Batte states "By 1854 he was living in New Jersey when

he deeded some lots in the town of Blandford to one Shanks. Jane did not join in

the deed. Presumably she had previously died." MP: This doesn't clear up the question
of

why Joshua Poythress moved to New Jersey or even if he did not move to New Jersey which

would allow for the possibility that he debarked from London and died in NJ without
returning

to his "home" in Petersburg. I have found no record of the deed Mr. Batte cites although
the

1854 citation would suggest that Joshua indeed had residence in New Jersey no matter how

brief.



Maynard		07/21/2008 8:11:00
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Re: [POYTHRESS] cemetery with Alice L. Poythress Twisdale & familyRandy JonesAnyone know to which line Alice L. Poythress belong?
  -- Randy Jones



----- Original Message ----
From: Julie Cabitto
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:50:10 AM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] cemetery with Alice L. Poythress Twisdale & family

Hello everyone,
I just got two cemetery books for Halifax County, North Carolina. I searched the archives and didn't see this info posted, so wanted to post it.

Source: Headstones of Halifax, Vol. 2: Sunset Hill in Littleton
Compiled by J. Rives Manning Jr, & Edward F. Butts, Jr.

"Cemetery # 153: Sunset Hill Cemetery. Located to the North of North Main St. Extension, North of US 158 at the western Littleton City Limits, at the county line between Halifax & Warren Counties. (from a 1996 Survey)"

As typed in book:

Section 6:
John R. Robert Twisdale Apr 22, 1845  Jan 19, 1918
Alice L. Poythress Twisdale Jan 18, 1855  Nov 22, 1912
Lona Dona Twisdale Jenkins Jan 19, 1881  Dec 16, 1936
Sally B. Twisdale May 31, 1893  Sep 5, 1975

Section 5:
John Robert Twisdale Aug 1, 1891  Feb 8, 1931
Siddie Mae Twisdale Sep 1, 1892  Mar 15, 1980

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[POYTHRESS] cemetery with Alice L. Poythress Twisdale & familyJulie CabittoHello everyone,
I just got two cemetery books for Halifax County, North Carolina. I searched the archives and didn't see this info posted, so wanted to post it.

Source: Headstones of Halifax, Vol. 2: Sunset Hill in Littleton
Compiled by J. Rives Manning Jr, & Edward F. Butts, Jr.

"Cemetery # 153: Sunset Hill Cemetery. Located to the North of North Main St. Extension, North of US 158 at the western Littleton City Limits, at the county line between Halifax & Warren Counties. (from a 1996 Survey)"

As typed in book:

Section 6:
John R. Robert Twisdale Apr 22, 1845 Jan 19, 1918
Alice L. Poythress Twisdale Jan 18, 1855 Nov 22, 1912
Lona Dona Twisdale Jenkins Jan 19, 1881 Dec 16, 1936
Sally B. Twisdale May 31, 1893 Sep 5, 1975

Section 5:
John Robert Twisdale Aug 1, 1891 Feb 8, 1931
Siddie Mae Twisdale Sep 1, 1892 Mar 15, 1980		07/27/2008 3:50:10
Re: [POYTHRESS] cemetery with Alice L. Poythress Twisdale & familyPatThanks Julie. I think this Alice might be in my family line, possibly the
sister of Martha Poythress who married Edward O'Neal in Emporia Greenville
Co, VA in March 1880.

Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Cabitto"
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:50 AM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] cemetery with Alice L. Poythress Twisdale & family


> Hello everyone,
> I just got two cemetery books for Halifax County, North Carolina. I
> searched the archives and didn't see this info posted, so wanted to post
> it.
>
> Source: Headstones of Halifax, Vol. 2: Sunset Hill in Littleton
> Compiled by J. Rives Manning Jr, & Edward F. Butts, Jr.
>
> "Cemetery # 153: Sunset Hill Cemetery. Located to the North of North Main
> St. Extension, North of US 158 at the western Littleton City Limits, at
> the county line between Halifax & Warren Counties. (from a 1996 Survey)"
>
> As typed in book:
>
> Section 6:
> John R. Robert Twisdale Apr 22, 1845 Jan 19, 1918
> Alice L. Poythress Twisdale Jan 18, 1855 Nov 22, 1912
> Lona Dona Twisdale Jenkins Jan 19, 1881 Dec 16, 1936
> Sally B. Twisdale May 31, 1893 Sep 5, 1975
>
> Section 5:
> John Robert Twisdale Aug 1, 1891 Feb 8, 1931
> Siddie Mae Twisdale Sep 1, 1892 Mar 15, 1980
>
> -------------------------------
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Re: [POYTHRESS] cemetery with Alice L. Poythress Twisdale & familSandyOnly for one generation. Allice looks to be the daur of a David(?) &
Sarah/Sally Poythress who are found in Mecklenburg Co, VA, in 1850,
and in Warren Co, NC, in 1860 & 1870. Other apparent children in this
household seem to be James, Mary, George, Charles & Lucy, with Allice
apparently the youngest. Since Allice md after 1870, the NC marriage
cert should confirm her parents' names.

I don't have access to Mecklenburg Co, VA, marriages for that period,
but see below for a record in Warren Co, NC, which may be theirs.

There's an NC death cert for Lucy, who also apparently married a
Twisdale (James), and also is buried somewhere in Halifax Co, though
it doesn't specify where in Halifax. According to the info on Lucy's
death cert, she was "about age 70" when she died 9 Aug 1922 in
Halifax. Her father is shown as David "Poythriss," and mother as
"don't know." The death cert shows both Lucy and her father born in
Warren Co, NC, but the censuses seem to indicate otherwise. A Mrs.
G.B. Rud (or Reed) was the informant.

On the other hand, there's a Warren County, NC marriage bond:
15 Mar 1848: David Poythress to Sally Dortch, with George S. Moss as
bondsman...which seems as though it may be this couple.

Bear in mind, Mecklenburg Co, VA, and Warren Co, NC, are adjacent.

Other Warren Co marr bonds (per Brent Holcomb's published
transcriptions to 1868) are:
30 Sept 1852 (bond & marriage on same date): Joshua L. Poythress to
Elizabeth J. Crowder; John J Rainey, bm; R.B. Robinson performed the
marriage (and also is listed as the witness).
NOTE: in the register, this marriage lists the groom as "Joseph L." Poythress.

31 Jan 1837: William A. Dortch to Sarah G. Poythress; John L Smith, bm;
(looks like William A. may have md subsequently, unless this is a
son... 9 May 1854 William A. Dortch to Elizabeth A. Mise; George W.
King, bm; md same day by Richd B Robinson JP).

17 May 1861: N.D. Vaughan to Mary E. Poythress; B.D. Williams, bm; md
same day by Thos A Montgomery, JP;

Also - and very early on - a Thomas Poythress served as bondsman for
the 5 Sept 1781 marriage of George Langford to Pattsy Mallary.

And in 1867, the war being over, there's the following marriage:
Thomas Shell (col) (son of Thomas Poythress & Louisa Perceval) to
Nannie Robinson (dau of Hubbard & Flora), 13 July 1867; William A.
White, clk, wit; md 13 July 1867 by B.F. Long, M.G.

That's it for Warren Co, NC. I don't know who David's parent might've been.

-Sandy


On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Randy Jones wrote:
> Anyone know to which line Alice L. Poythress belong?
> -- Randy Jones
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Julie Cabitto
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:50:10 AM
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] cemetery with Alice L. Poythress Twisdale & family
>
> Hello everyone,
> I just got two cemetery books for Halifax County, North Carolina. I searched the archives and didn't see this info posted, so wanted to post it.
>
> Source: Headstones of Halifax, Vol. 2: Sunset Hill in Littleton
> Compiled by J. Rives Manning Jr, & Edward F. Butts, Jr.
>
> "Cemetery # 153: Sunset Hill Cemetery. Located to the North of North Main St. Extension, North of US 158 at the western Littleton City Limits, at the county line between Halifax & Warren Counties. (from a 1996 Survey)"
>
> As typed in book:
>
> Section 6:
> John R. Robert Twisdale Apr 22, 1845 Jan 19, 1918
> Alice L. Poythress Twisdale Jan 18, 1855 Nov 22, 1912
> Lona Dona Twisdale Jenkins Jan 19, 1881 Dec 16, 1936
> Sally B. Twisdale May 31, 1893 Sep 5, 1975
>
> Section 5:
> John Robert Twisdale Aug 1, 1891 Feb 8, 1931
> Siddie Mae Twisdale Sep 1, 1892 Mar 15, 1980
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] cemetery with Alice L. Poythress Twisdale & familySandyPat,
I don't know anything about Martha, but this Allice appears to be the
daughter of David.... probably the David Poythress who md Sally Dortch
in 1848 in Warren Co, NC. But the family was enumerated in Mecklenburg
Co, VA in 1850... then in Warren in 1860 & 1870... and _possibly_
Sally is still there in 1880, though I'm not sure if that's the same
Sally as David's wife. See my other message, if you think this family
connects to your Martha. I'm afraid I don't really know anything
further.

-Sandy

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Pat wrote:
> Thanks Julie. I think this Alice might be in my family line, possibly the
> sister of Martha Poythress who married Edward O'Neal in Emporia Greenville
> Co, VA in March 1880.
>
> Pat
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:50 AM
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] cemetery with Alice L. Poythress Twisdale & family
>
>
>> Hello everyone,
>> I just got two cemetery books for Halifax County, North Carolina. I
>> searched the archives and didn't see this info posted, so wanted to post
>> it.
>>
>> Source: Headstones of Halifax, Vol. 2: Sunset Hill in Littleton
>> Compiled by J. Rives Manning Jr, & Edward F. Butts, Jr.
>>
>> "Cemetery # 153: Sunset Hill Cemetery. Located to the North of North Main
>> St. Extension, North of US 158 at the western Littleton City Limits, at
>> the county line between Halifax & Warren Counties. (from a 1996 Survey)"
>>
>> As typed in book:
>>
>> Section 6:
>> John R. Robert Twisdale Apr 22, 1845 Jan 19, 1918
>> Alice L. Poythress Twisdale Jan 18, 1855 Nov 22, 1912
>> Lona Dona Twisdale Jenkins Jan 19, 1881 Dec 16, 1936
>> Sally B. Twisdale May 31, 1893 Sep 5, 1975
>>
>> Section 5:
>> John Robert Twisdale Aug 1, 1891 Feb 8, 1931
>> Siddie Mae Twisdale Sep 1, 1892 Mar 15, 1980
>>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] cemetery with Alice L. Poythress Twisdale & familySandyBarbara,

I have the death cert for "India" Poythress which shows her parents as
James H. Twisdale & Tabitha Basket (md 21 Mar 1835, Warren Co, NC).
Tabitha was a d/o Pleasant Basket & Hixie Brown... and a younger
sister to my ancestor, Joseph B(onaparte) Basket (who md Mary
Burroughs).

If you don't have her death cert, let me know and I'll be glad to send
it to you offlist (since the list doesn't accept attachments).

It looks as if we have a connection here, at least back up the tree,
and I would love to compare notes.

-Sandy


On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:47 PM, wrote:
>
> Many thanks?for posting this, Julie. It is a new discovery for me and very welcome!
>
> >From my research I have discovered that David and Sally Dortch Poythress of Warren County, NC, had two daughters and one son who married into the Twisdale family. David is my g-g-grandfather and?a son of Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
>
> Their son Charles David Poythress, my great grandfather, married Indiana Peru Twisdale. Daughter Sally married?James Twisdale, Jr. and Alice married John R. Twisdale.?
>
> Alice and John Twisdale were married Decembe 13, 1876 in Warren County.
>
> I am speculating that from Julie's cemetery posting that Sally B. Twisdale was Alice's daughter and named for her sister.
>
> Best, Barbara Poythress Wolfe
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie Cabitto
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Sent: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 6:50 am
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] cemetery with Alice L. Poythress Twisdale & family
>
>
>
> Hello everyone,
> I just got two cemetery books for Halifax County, North Carolina. I searched the
> archives and didn't see this info posted, so wanted to post it.
>
> Source: Headstones of Halifax, Vol. 2: Sunset Hill in Littleton
> Compiled by J. Rives Manning Jr, & Edward F. Butts, Jr.
>
> "Cemetery # 153: Sunset Hill Cemetery. Located to the North of North Main St.
> Extension, North of US 158 at the western Littleton City Limits, at the county
> line between Halifax & Warren Counties. (from a 1996 Survey)"
>
> As typed in book:
>
> Section 6:
> John R. Robert Twisdale Apr 22, 1845 Jan 19, 1918
> Alice L. Poythress Twisdale Jan 18, 1855 Nov 22, 1912
> Lona Dona Twisdale Jenkins Jan 19, 1881 Dec 16, 1936
> Sally B. Twisdale May 31, 1893 Sep 5, 1975
>
> Section 5:
> John Robert Twisdale Aug 1, 1891 Feb 8, 1931
> Siddie Mae Twisdale Sep 1, 1892 Mar 15, 1980
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] cemetery with Alice L. Poythress Twisdale & familyMany thanks?for posting this, Julie. It is a new discovery for me and very welcome!

>From my research I have discovered that David and Sally Dortch Poythress of Warren County, NC, had two daughters and one son who married into the Twisdale family. David is my g-g-grandfather and?a son of Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

Their son Charles David Poythress, my great grandfather, married Indiana Peru Twisdale. Daughter Sally married?James Twisdale, Jr. and Alice married John R. Twisdale.?

Alice and John Twisdale were married Decembe 13, 1876 in Warren County.

I am speculating that from Julie's cemetery posting that Sally B. Twisdale was Alice's daughter and named for her sister.

Best, Barbara Poythress Wolfe





-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Cabitto
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 6:50 am
Subject: [POYTHRESS] cemetery with Alice L. Poythress Twisdale & family



Hello everyone,
I just got two cemetery books for Halifax County, North Carolina. I searched the
archives and didn't see this info posted, so wanted to post it.

Source: Headstones of Halifax, Vol. 2: Sunset Hill in Littleton
Compiled by J. Rives Manning Jr, & Edward F. Butts, Jr.

"Cemetery # 153: Sunset Hill Cemetery. Located to the North of North Main St.
Extension, North of US 158 at the western Littleton City Limits, at the county
line between Halifax & Warren Counties. (from a 1996 Survey)"

As typed in book:

Section 6:
John R. Robert Twisdale Apr 22, 1845 Jan 19, 1918
Alice L. Poythress Twisdale Jan 18, 1855 Nov 22, 1912
Lona Dona Twisdale Jenkins Jan 19, 1881 Dec 16, 1936
Sally B. Twisdale May 31, 1893 Sep 5, 1975

Section 5:
John Robert Twisdale Aug 1, 1891 Feb 8, 1931
Siddie Mae Twisdale Sep 1, 1892 Mar 15, 1980

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Re: [POYTHRESS] cemetery with Alice L. Poythress Twisdale & familyJulie, My email to you just got bounced back to me with a ? after the thanks. Please excuse the typo.
BPW


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From: beetle72@aol.com
To: poythress@rootsweb.com; POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:47 am
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] cemetery with Alice L. Poythress Twisdale & family




Many thanks?for posting this, Julie. It is a new discovery for me and very
welcome!

>From my research I have discovered that David and Sally Dortch Poythress of
Warren County, NC, had two daughters and one son who married into the Twisdale
family. David is my g-g-grandfather and?a son of Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg
County, Virginia.

Their son Charles David Poythress, my great grandfather, married Indiana Peru
Twisdale. Daughter Sally married?James Twisdale, Jr. and Alice married John R.
Twisdale.?

Alice and John Twisdale were married Decembe 13, 1876 in Warren County.

I am speculating that from Julie's cemetery posting that Sally B. Twisdale was
Alice's daughter and named for her sister.

Best, Barbara Poythress Wolfe





-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Cabitto
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 6:50 am
Subject: [POYTHRESS] cemetery with Alice L. Poythress Twisdale & family



Hello everyone,
I just got two cemetery books for Halifax County, North Carolina. I searched the

archives and didn't see this info posted, so wanted to post it.

Source: Headstones of Halifax, Vol. 2: Sunset Hill in Littleton
Compiled by J. Rives Manning Jr, & Edward F. Butts, Jr.

"Cemetery # 153: Sunset Hill Cemetery. Located to the North of North Main St.
Extension, North of US 158 at the western Littleton City Limits, at the county
line between Halifax & Warren Counties. (from a 1996 Survey)"

As typed in book:

Section 6:
John R. Robert Twisdale Apr 22, 1845 Jan 19, 1918
Alice L. Poythress Twisdale Jan 18, 1855 Nov 22, 1912
Lona Dona Twisdale Jenkins Jan 19, 1881 Dec 16, 1936
Sally B. Twisdale May 31, 1893 Sep 5, 1975

Section 5:
John Robert Twisdale Aug 1, 1891 Feb 8, 1931
Siddie Mae Twisdale Sep 1, 1892 Mar 15, 1980

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[POYTHRESS] Footnote.comJohn M. PoythressInteresting site. Contains "millions" (their claim) of original documents. Cost is

$8/wk or $60/yr.



A search for Poythress brings the claim that they have 551 original documents.
Technically that is true. However, for example, if Lt. William RS served for 4 years

and his paymaster recorded each monthly pay slip and didn't miss any then there

will be 48 "original documents" each of which is a pay slip specifically for him.
Extrapolate that for all the monthly Confederate pay slips for the dozen or so guys we had
in the service of the Confederacy and it's readily apparent that, even including only a
sample of a pay slip for each man, there are likely only two or three dozen or so
remaining documents that are really significant for us and most don't seem to be any great
revelation.



Starting with "document" # 500 and on up are mostly newspaper scans, typically

20th century stuff from about 1930 on. Most are interesting and they are from all over.



One can go to the site and scan all 551 of the "greyed out" thumbs" that have a
description of the document right next to the thumb. So, in effect you can browse the
site and find out just about everything they have.



One document that looked particularly interesting was a Rev War "grant" for Lewis

Poythress and that's new for me even if it may not be for some.



If I can figure out how to copy each document to my hard drive then it shouldn't take

more than a half day or so to copy everything they have that is specific to us and then
get out of Dodge before the $8 first week is up.



In case anybody wants to poke about on the thing go to it and let me know if you have any
suggestions as to how to proceed other than doing it "en masse" and/or

any other thoughts.



Maynard



P. S. while the above description may suggest the genealogy "limits" of the site, there

are listed many historical documents of a general interest nature.		08/03/2008 3:37:34
Re: [POYTHRESS] Changed email address to jerrypoythress@yahoo.comBarbara NealHi Jerry,

Glad you indicated to us fellow-subscribers your new email address.
Having recently changed my own email address, I can give you the
following tip:
If you want to receive the Poythress-List messages ONLY at your new
email address, you need to send two emails to a different address
(rather than just hitting the "Reply" button). That email address
for you to use for these two messages is:
POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com

One message should have in its subject-line just the word
"unsubscribe" (with no quote marks) in a message sent from your *old*
email address.

And the other message should have in its subject-line just the word
"subscribe" (again with no quote marks) in a message sent from your
*new* email address.

Hope all is well with you & yours.
Cheers,
Barbara

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Footnote.comChanged email address to jerrypoythress@yahoo.comJerry Poythress-----Original Message-----
From: "John M. Poythress"
Sent 8/3/2008 9:37:34 PM
To: "AA Poythress List"
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Footnote.comInteresting site. Contains "millions" (their claim) of original documents. Cost is
$8/wk or $60/yr.
A search for Poythress brings the claim that they have 551 original documents.
Technically that is true. However, for example, if Lt. William RS served for 4 years
and his paymaster recorded each monthly pay slip and didn't miss any then there
will be 48 "original documents" each of which is a pay slip specifically for him.
Extrapolate that for all the monthly Confederate pay slips for the dozen or so guys we had
in the service of the Confederacy and it's readily apparent that, even including only a
sample of a pay slip for each man, there are likely only two or three dozen or so
remaining documents that are really significant for us and most don't seem to be any great
revelation.
Starting with "document" # 500 and on up are mostly newspaper scans, typically
20th century stuff from about 1930 on. Most are interesting and they are from all over.
One can go to the site and scan all 551 of the "greyed out" thumbs" that have a
description of the document right next to the thumb. So, in effect you can browse the
site and find out just about everything they have.
One document that looked particularly interesting was a Rev War "grant" for Lewis
Poythress and that's new for me even if it may not be for some.
If I can figure out how to copy each document to my hard drive then it shouldn't take
more than a half day or so to copy everything they have that is specific to us and then
get out of Dodge before the $8 first week is up.
In case anybody wants to poke about on the thing go to it and let me know if you have any
suggestions as to how to proceed other than doing it "en masse" and/or
any other thoughts.
Maynard
P. S. while the above description may suggest the genealogy "limits" of the site, there
are listed many historical documents of a general interest nature.
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[POYTHRESS] (no subject)John M. PoythressA labor of love by Tracy Clary & John Pritchett in case you haven't

been to this site. Maynard



Cemeteries of Brunswick County, Virginia http://www.brunswickcemeteries.org/HTML/home.htm




08/07/2008 5:53:19
[POYTHRESS] SuscribeJerry PoythressNew Email Address.







08/08/2008 4:04:46
Re: [POYTHRESS] 4 Poythress VA Confederate records & casesPatJulie, I am especially interested in the William Poythress you mention below and the Russell Poythress that his mentions. Can you send me the files?

I am a descendant of the Wiliam Poythress that married Julia ___. They are in the 1850 Greenville Co Census William age 23 (or 33), Julia age 18.
They are liated in the 1860 Greenville Co VA census, household 309, as William Potis age 29 , "Saw milling" and wife Julia age 29 with the follwoing children:

James 8
Joseph 7
Thomas 5
Jane 4 this is my great grandmother Martha Jane Poythress born
Benjamin 1
Martha Brewer 50

In the house next to them, #310, is Thomas Chiles age 28 "attends to mills"

Lewis Y Poythress is shown on the same Census page in Household #311, "overseer" , as age 60 w wife Mary age 50 and Nancy Chiles age 20 . Elizabeth Chiles, age 15 is shown on the subsequent Census page in Household 312

William Poythress does bot appear with Julia after the 1860 census so I have thought he may have died in the civil war. The 1870 census shows a Julia Portrass age 40 as head of household with Martha Burr (or Bass) age 65 and Martha A age 6 living with her. There are crossout on this page of them being paupers so I am not sure the age is correct for child Martha.

Pat Autry

-- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Cabitto"
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 5:39 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] 4 Poythress VA Confederate records & cases


> Hi everyone,
> I have a subscription to Footnote.com and have downloaded a couple Poythress Confederate files. They are files from National Archives.
> Source info:
> __________________________________
> Publication Title: Confederate Papers Relating to Citizens or Business Firms, 1861-65
> Content Source: NARA
> Document Type: Citizen
> Surname Starts With: P
> ____________________________________
> There is Lewis Y. Poythress from Greensville, VA. It says "see case of Thomas J. Chiles". I had noted that a Chiles family is living with them in 1850. It also said Lewis was in Greensville VA, but on one page, his wife Mary was listed in Georgia, so I found that confusing, unless they moved to Georgia.
> There is a page for William Poythress and it says "See case of Russell K. Poythress." So I opened it and was a guy witnessing that William Poythress had a horse worth 1,000$ taken from him, and told which farm it was at. I've never seen records like these before, so wanted to post, in case you all didn't have copies either. Right now I'm just seeing Virginia.
> I'm going to go look for the Chiles case. If you'd like these images, email me, and I'll send you the images. I think it's a really cool database, so wanted to share.
> Love, Julie Cabitto
> julie.cabitto@gmail.com
>
> These are the people listed in this database, and how they are spelled:
> Lewis Y Poythress -4 pgs
> Russell K. Poythress-6 pgs
> William Poythress-1pgs
> Robert Poytress-2pgs
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] 4 Poythress VA Confederate records & casesHello Poythress family. I to believe that I am related to this group as
well.William and Julia Poythress . I had never read any of the old postings in
the archives until a couple of nights ago. I found some interesting info that
many have written about the Portuguese Settlement. The Bethany Methodist
Church . I was raised on the same property as the church and Baptisted in
the creek behind the Church. There are many old cemetary's around that
church but many you can not get to because they were not keeped up .Poythress
Bass Newsom, Scott,Turner,Garner,Jarrell I seen Lea Dowd wrote about the
School. My Mom went to(Bethany School ( Margaret Scott)
Some info about My Garner family William Garner first Minister of Fountain
Creek Church Brunswick Co VA 1778 He also purchased 200 A from Benjamin Smith
between Scott's branch and Portisses Branch 1770-1788 Real Estate conveyances
v 567 c.071.
1774 William Garner Purchased 1074 A from Joshan and James Spraberry part of
Simon Lane on Reedy Creek. Wm Batts Wm Mason Brunswick book 12
The Poythress,Garners and Jarrell land in Greenville Co was close to each
other as the Colliers. The Colliers and Bennetts are still in Brunswick Co VA
and still good friends of my family. As for us being Portuguese The assembly
of North Carolina changed our race in 1924 We Claim Cheroenhaka (Nottoway)
Indian. as for the Bass yes they could claim Nansmond.Some of the Nansmond
Nottoway were together.
I would like some info on Henry Porch. Samuel Garner Post warrant to keep
the peace 1831 Particularly toward Henry Porch, Does anyone know about him? As
for Julia and William would like more info on there children who they
married. She marries John Bass after William dies. The Brewers is another name with
the Garners and Bass in my line...
Thanks
If anyone has any question please e=mail me.
Dorie Turner-Nash





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[POYTHRESS] 4 Poythress VA Confederate records & casesJulie CabittoHi everyone,
I have a subscription to Footnote.com and have downloaded a couple Poythress Confederate files. They are files from National Archives.
Source info:
__________________________________
Publication Title: Confederate Papers Relating to Citizens or Business Firms, 1861-65
Content Source: NARA
Document Type: Citizen
Surname Starts With: P
____________________________________
There is Lewis Y. Poythress from Greensville, VA. It says "see case of Thomas J. Chiles". I had noted that a Chiles family is living with them in 1850. It also said Lewis was in Greensville VA, but on one page, his wife Mary was listed in Georgia, so I found that confusing, unless they moved to Georgia.
There is a page for William Poythress and it says "See case of Russell K. Poythress." So I opened it and was a guy witnessing that William Poythress had a horse worth 1,000$ taken from him, and told which farm it was at. I've never seen records like these before, so wanted to post, in case you all didn't have copies either. Right now I'm just seeing Virginia.
I'm going to go look for the Chiles case. If you'd like these images, email me, and I'll send you the images. I think it's a really cool database, so wanted to share.
Love, Julie Cabitto
julie.cabitto@gmail.com

These are the people listed in this database, and how they are spelled:
Lewis Y Poythress -4 pgs
Russell K. Poythress-6 pgs
William Poythress-1pgs
Robert Poytress-2pgs		08/17/2008 11:39:48
[POYTHRESS] 4 Poythress Confederate recordsJulie CabittoHello Pat,
I will be happy to send you a copy, off list, because it is attachments.

I wanted to let the rest of the list know, --I did more searching yesterday, and it turns out the whole list is not completed yet. I looked for the Chiles case and there is only one person with the Chiles surname from Virginia. And his first name was William.

I did see a few people from other states last night. So it seems that Virginia is the most complete part of the database released. I saw a few listing the states they served with as being from Georgia and KY. I'll keep my eyes open for the rest of the VA cases to be posted. I might need a reminder in a few months if I don't re-post that I fond the Chiles case.
Also, there are the Muster Rolls now on Footnote, that used to only be available in the National Archives. The National Archives is teaming up with Footnote.com and Familysearch.org to release a lot of its archives on-line. It's pretty amazing all the new databases released on those two sites in the last 6 months!
Love, Julie
____________________________________
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:33:48 -0400
From: "Pat"
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] 4 Poythress VA Confederate records & cases
To:
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Julie, I am especially interested in the William Poythress you mention below and the Russell Poythress that his mentions. Can you send me the files?

I am a descendant of the Wiliam Poythress that married Julia ___. They are in the 1850 Greenville Co Census William age 23 (or 33), Julia age 18.
They are liated in the 1860 Greenville Co VA census, household 309, as William Potis age 29 , "Saw milling" and wife Julia age 29 with the follwoing children:

James 8
Joseph 7
Thomas 5
Jane 4 this is my great grandmother Martha Jane Poythress born
Benjamin 1
Martha Brewer 50

In the house next to them, #310, is Thomas Chiles age 28 "attends to mills"

Lewis Y Poythress is shown on the same Census page in Household #311, "overseer" , as age 60 w wife Mary age 50 and Nancy Chiles age 20 . Elizabeth Chiles, age 15 is shown on the subsequent Census page in Household 312

William Poythress does bot appear with Julia after the 1860 census so I have thought he may have died in the civil war. The 1870 census shows a Julia Portrass age 40 as head of household with Martha Burr (or Bass) age 65 and Martha A age 6 living with her. There are crossout on this page of them being paupers so I am not sure the age is correct for child Martha.

Pat Autry		08/18/2008 3:14:03
[POYTHRESS] Mrs. C. PoythressJohn M. PoythressJulie, I suppose she'll have to go on the mystery list until we find her.



But $20/month sounds pretty reasonable if we take into consideration

that they were paying her in CONFEDERATE dollars...and by Dec. of

'63 that was a devalued currency; Gettysburg and Vicksburg had been

lost earlier in July of that year and the blockade was getting tighter and

tighter. They were printing paper funny money almost as fast as the presses

would run and that's fairly typical of what the losing nation does in most

wars.



I have looked for an "equivalency chart" of U. S. dollar vs. C. S. A. dollar

at various points '61 to '65 but had no luck. A comparison of $US to

$CS probably wouldn't be relevant anyway. The way in which they

typically stated "value" was in dollars vs. GOLD dollars starting from

a base of 1 US dollar equaling 1 gold dollar. In late 1863 it was

somewhere around 3 CS dollars to equate to one US dollar (gold).



So, in reality, by this measure they were paying the lady $6.66/month in

Dec 1863 "real" money and in fact it was probably a lot less than that.

The following is from a biographical sketch done by a great uncle of mine

who was with the CS War Department in Richmond and puts it in some

perspective:



"Very often, John (our dining-room boy) went to market with me carrying

on his shoulder a side of bacon [sent to him by his family in Alabama],

which I exchanged for fresh meat, selling the bacon at six or eight dollars

per pound and received the fresh beef or mutton at two or three dollars per

pound. As the Confederate money continued to depreciate, it became more

and more difficult to buy provisions with it. I desired to avoid the

accumulation of any debts during the war, and therefore sold or bartered

anything we had for provisions. My wife sold a New Orleans Bonnet for

six hundred dollars $600, taking payment in five turkeys estimated at one

hundred and twenty each, $ 120 [CS]."



By this measure, I guess we might say the government was paying Mrs. C.

Poythress about a turkey wing and a thigh per month by late in the war.



Maynard		08/18/2008 3:43:12
[POYTHRESS] William & brother Russell Poythress-GeorgiaJulie CabittoNot sure why they showed up under Virginia, because it definitely looks like they're from Georgia. I'm only really familiar with the Virginia Poythress, and I hadn't heard of a Russell Poythress in that time period in VA.
So I went back to re-read Russell's page. It was written by Russell Poythress and he states he's writing it on behalf of his brother William Poythress. It is labeled at the top of the page as from "Troup County Georgia". So I looked on the Poythress list archives, and saw this posting below by Michael Tutor 9 Dec 2005. So I expect it would actually be these two brothers below that are mentioned in this Confederate case.
Can someone tell me again who the parents are of this group? Thanks, Julie Cabitto
______________________________________________________________
>From Michael Tutor's posting:
Georgia
Troup County
1853 Joseph Poythress (c. 1789-1853) Will
1853 Mary Poythress (1798-1853) husband's Will
1853 Mary Ann E. Poythress (c. 1822-) fathers' Will
1853 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) fathers' Will
1853 Russell K. Poythress (c. 1823-) fathers' Will
1853 Sarah Jane Poythress (c. 1828-) fathers' Will
1854 Mary Poythress (1798-1854) Will
1854 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) mother's Will
1854 Francis A. Poythress (c. 1836-1860) mother's Will

_________________________________________________________________		08/18/2008 4:16:01
Re: [POYTHRESS] Mrs. C. PoythressSandyOn Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:43 PM, John M. Poythress
wrote:
> Julie, I suppose she'll have to go on the mystery list until we find her.
>
>


Maynard,

Do you not think she likely is the Charlotte Poythress living in
Richmond at least 1850-1880? I think this Charlotte is possibly the
daughter of Elias Reed in whose household she & her children are
living in 1850.

-Sandy		08/18/2008 5:43:30
[POYTHRESS] Mrs. C. Poythress in VA during Civil War?Julie CabittoI have found one more Confederate Citizen case. It is for a "Mrs. C. Poythress." There's about 20 pages of receipts for her paying room and board, and it keeps saying "Mr. C. Poythress. No place or other name or unit info given. Any idea who she may be? The only Poythress I know of in VA at that time was Charles David Poythress who was only about 13 at this time, and not married until 1870. The receipts often say "Mrs. C. Poythress, Ward Matron."
Not sure what a Ward Matron was either. Was she over nurses?
On pg 17--In Dec 1863, the quarter master signed for her to rent a room in Richmond VA, and she was paid 20 $ for rent for one month, for the month of Dec 1863. That seems like a lot of money, because there was a blockade on supplies to Fredericksburg and Richmond so soldiers were pretty poor then. Maybe rent was high because of the blockade? And maybe she paid for the room but others were with her? I just don't see how the Confederates could afford that for one person in that time and place. Which makes me that much more curious at who she was and what she did.

Pg. # 19 is for rent again, she is listed as a matron, and it says "Mrs. C. Poythress, ward matron, at Chimborazoo hospital. " Which is in Richmond, where thousands of Confederates were treated. And unfortunately were thousands died. A lot of soldiers from Chimborazoo were buried at Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond VA which is right on the James River. There are over 5,000 Confederates buried there. This record ends on pg 23 at Sept 1863, and each month, she is given 20$ for rent, approved by the quartermaster each month. And each month it says "Mrs. C. Poythress Ward Matron."

So does anyone know who she may be or any more about her?
Thanks,
Julie Cabitto		08/18/2008 8:49:27
Re: [POYTHRESS] Mrs. C. Poythress in VA during Civil War?SandyPerhaps this is Charlotte Poythress (b ca 1823) who is enumerated in
Richmond 1850 (in household of Elias Reed) with children Patrick Henry
and William P.

She's shown as "Scharlott Portres" (age 38) in 1860
1860>>VA>>Henrico Co>>Richmond Ward 1 (?or Ward 7); PO=Richmond City;
pg 105 (hand numbered); enumerated 6 July 1860:
(Ancestry img #105 of 207)
line 37
#563/781 (all shown b VA)
Scharlott Portres, 38
Henry ", 14;
William ", 13;
Sally ", 8;

By 1870, the boys are gone, and Sally (now shown as Sarah R.) is
18.... and there's a younger child, Walter E (age 8) in the household.

In 1880, She's enumerated as "C" Poythress. Son W.P. is back and
listed as a druggist, with a wife "L.P." Sallie R. is listed as
daughter, and W.E. (Walter), now 18, is listed as son and is a clerk.

Was there a Charlotte Reed who married a Poythress sometime prior to
1850, and might this be the same as the "Mrs. C. Poythress" you've
found in the record?

-Sandy


On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Julie Cabitto wrote:
> I have found one more Confederate Citizen case. It is for a "Mrs. C. Poythress." There's about 20 pages of receipts for her paying room and board, and it keeps saying "Mr. C. Poythress. No place or other name or unit info given. Any idea who she may be? The only Poythress I know of in VA at that time was Charles David Poythress who was only about 13 at this time, and not married until 1870. The receipts often say "Mrs. C. Poythress, Ward Matron."
> Not sure what a Ward Matron was either. Was she over nurses?
> On pg 17--In Dec 1863, the quarter master signed for her to rent a room in Richmond VA, and she was paid 20 $ for rent for one month, for the month of Dec 1863. That seems like a lot of money, because there was a blockade on supplies to Fredericksburg and Richmond so soldiers were pretty poor then. Maybe rent was high because of the blockade? And maybe she paid for the room but others were with her? I just don't see how the Confederates could afford that for one person in that time and place. Which makes me that much more curious at who she was and what she did.
>
> Pg. # 19 is for rent again, she is listed as a matron, and it says "Mrs. C. Poythress, ward matron, at Chimborazoo hospital. " Which is in Richmond, where thousands of Confederates were treated. And unfortunately were thousands died. A lot of soldiers from Chimborazoo were buried at Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond VA which is right on the James River. There are over 5,000 Confederates buried there. This record ends on pg 23 at Sept 1863, and each month, she is given 20$ for rent, approved by the quartermaster each month. And each month it says "Mrs. C. Poythress Ward Matron."
>
> So does anyone know who she may be or any more about her?
> Thanks,
> Julie Cabitto
>
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Welcome to the "POYTHRESS" mailing listTheresa GraysmithHello everyone! I was on this list a while ago and am resubscribing because I've become re-obsessed with genealogy lately.

I'm Theresa Nicole Graysmith, nee Ray. My mother, Sylvia Long Gooding, is the:
daughter of Ella Naomi Long
grand-daughter of Ella Mae Poythress
great-grand daughter of George Washington Poythress
great-great grand daughter of Edward Poythress.

I recently came across George Washington Poythress' gravesite online, although I have not had a chance to visit in person. His tombstone, located in Maplewood Cemetery in Durham, North Carolina lists his date of death as January 9, 1900 and date of birth as 1838.

I will try and write more later as my two young children need some attention!

Thanks,

Nicole		08/18/2008 12:48:45
Re: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress & ReedRandy JonesSupposedly William Peterson Poythress died in either Bermuda or the Bahamas, so I doubt he will be in Hollywood Cemetery.  On the other hand, she could well have erected a stone to memorialize him, since she evidently did not remarry.
At findagrave.com for Hollywood Cemetery, it lists her (1825-Jun 1897), but not him.
  -- Randy Jones



----- Original Message ----
From: Julie Cabitto
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:29:02 AM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress & Reed

I followed Sandy's email to the 1850 Census image, and the way it looks, Charlotte is listed in the middle of Elias children which would make it appear Elias Reed was her father. I know Census aren't always that reliable with just one record. So I started to look for Elias Reed, and found a tree posted on Ancestry.com for a Charlotte Reed married to William Peterson Poythress in 1845 in Richmond. I emailed the submitter about the tree. I'm going to add this William Poythress to my list of things to find on my next trip to LVA. And I'll do some newspaper searches. Anyone know about the William Peterson Poythress in Richmond? On the tree, Charlotte Reed Poythress is listed to have died in 1897 in Richmond, so I may have to try to find the cemetery and see if William Poythress is by her.
Thanks,
Julie

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[POYTHRESS] C. Poythress & VA Confederate medical background infoJulie CabittoSandy, I think it does look like her. I'll keep an eye out for her. I wasn't sure if Confederate dollars were loosing their value yet, so thanks for putting it into perspective Maynard. I did hear at the end of the war, there were a lot of people just happy to work for a room and some food.

In Fredericksburg, VA, in December...can't remember which battle, because Fredericksburg switched hands between being run by Confederates and Unions 5 times, and it was a really die hard Confederate place. (And still is. I saw a re-enactment once where people were actually trying to run over anyone dressed in Blue.),...Anyhow,...there were journal entries in Fredericksburg of citizens and soldiers about how dire it was. The Irish Brigade (from Massachusetts) refused to "drink, loot and take over the peoples houses". Union soldiers took Fredericksburg citizens' china, furniture and even pianos and sold them further up north for provisions for their soldiers. But the Irish camped in the street. It was so cold, they chipped the ice off their beards in the morning and if people had wounds, they would die overnight. Around here in Virginia, the air is very wet, even in the winter. I can't imagine having to spend even a whole day outside without a coat, let alone over night! I've known people from cold places of the west to say the winters here are really hard to bear with the wet coldness.--So people in Fredericksburg had a lot of respect for the Irish Brigade & Clara Barton and would give them meals whenever they could. In fact a lot of houses in Fredericksburg were saved from being hospitable to both sides, as far as giving food and water to hungry soldiers. I've read a lot of journals from people that lived in Fredericksburg. I used to give history tours of the city, now I just have fun looking for stories and telling them to try to describe how people lived. Hospitality was unusual here, in my opinion. So the stories intrigue me even more. If a Union officer knocked on a door and said "I'm hungry can you share your meal with me", the people did. And the women would say, even during war, they could not watch people go hungry because they were Christian. So when Fredericksburg was invaded, the officers would point out houses and say to their men "save that house, they fed us dinner once". I know that the Jane Beale house and the Smithsonia (an elderly women's home) were saved that way. Identity of soldiers in Fredericksburg was a big deal. If a soldier saw a dead person about his size, he took his coat and shoes so he didn't die. So Confederate groups here had blue and gray coats. In the Confederate Cemetery in the city of Fredericksburg, only about 150 Confederates are known and over 3,000 are unknown. The Union cemetery is even more dramatic in number because whole companies were wiped out at the Battle of Marye's Heights, with only one or two men surviving per company and usually they were injured and rushed to the hospitals, so there was no one to ID bodies. The Unions were beat so severely they retreated totally out of the city quickly and the people in Fredericksburg actually buried the Union men that died. So how would they know who the soldiers were? The ID info scrawled on a paper in pockets really didn't mean that's who they were at time of death. So guys started smoothing coins, and carving initials and company name, the beginning of dog tags. Things were pretty dire for several years in Fredericksburg and much of the help came from Richmond. And post war it was decades before financially the city could start recovering.

I was trying to find a "C. Poythress" or any Poythress with a type of medical term listed for them in the census. I thought about the William Poythress listed as a druggist in Richmond, Is it the same family? I don't know if I've seen who that William's parents were. In Fredericksburg area, there were several women who faked it to be soldiers. There was a woman doctor at Chatham that everyone thought was male until she went to receive her Congressional medal of bravery. And then they didn't think they could give it to her because they thought she was a man. I can't remember if she ever got it or not, there was debate for quite awhile. Women weren't aloud to be doctors then, not even during war time crises. There were a few women that traveled with the companies to help with laundry and nursing. But it was pretty much just cleaning wounds (if there was clean water) and covering with bandages. There was a blockade here at all the entrances of Fredericksburg, to try to force the people to relinquish power to the Unions. It just made the people more determined though. Women were actually the blockade runners in Fredericksburg, because men could not touch or search them. There was a rule you could wear your hoop skirt as wide as you were tall, so women would strap bolts of material the insides of their skirts and medical supplies. Clara Barton went from Chatham Manor across the Rappahannock River, into Confederate territory to a church that was converted into a hospital, during a fierce battle. Clara kept stopping as she saw soldiers (from both sides) laying injured and would tear a piece of her skirt off to use as a bandage. Back then you had to have at least 2 petty coats over the hoop skirt, (and petticoats under the hoopskirts) so she was still pretty covered. She had bullet holes through her skirt by the time she reached the church. The people in Fredericksburg really liked her and her bravery. ..So when I see someone listed as a ward matron, that seems like a pretty big deal to me. And that they must do more than tie bandages. Especially at Chimborazo (? sp), where lots of surgeries took place. So I was thinking maybe "C. Poythress" could be listed as a nurse on a later Census, but I didn't see any Poythress on later Census listed as a nurse. Maybe she just got "on the job training" and didn't continue being a nurse? I would think anyone at a surgery would have nightmares. In Fredericksburg "bite the bullet" was literal. They ran out of morphine and had to "bite the bullet" for amputation, and bullets with teethmarks have been found and put in museums. I can't even imagine or want to think about it much. If Charlotte had a son William, and he became a druggist (are we talking about that same William?), then it would make sense, that he grew up watching his mom in a medical background. I'll have to look more into that. I wonder where the kids were during war, because I would assume she was widowed? I wonder if they could've roomed with her? Lots of "ifs", but hopefully the ifs and searches could lead to some findings. Seeing a woman show up in confederate records is really not that common. And seeing a nurse listed as female, and as a ward matron, and having her room and board covered definitely has my interest 🙂 I'll search the list archives for more on this William. I remember seeing city directory listings on LVA web site for William Poythress as a druggist (pharmacy) in Richmond. ...Wonder how or if they fit in with the Virginia Poythress families...I'll let you all know if I find anything more...
Thanks,
Julie Cabitto

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:01 AM
Subject: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 59


> Maynard,
>
> Do you not think she likely is the Charlotte Poythress living in
> Richmond at least 1850-1880? I think this Charlotte is possibly the
> daughter of Elias Reed in whose household she & her children are
> living in 1850.
>
> -Sandy
>		08/19/2008 3:52:44
[POYTHRESS] C. Poythress & ReedJulie CabittoI followed Sandy's email to the 1850 Census image, and the way it looks, Charlotte is listed in the middle of Elias children which would make it appear Elias Reed was her father. I know Census aren't always that reliable with just one record. So I started to look for Elias Reed, and found a tree posted on Ancestry.com for a Charlotte Reed married to William Peterson Poythress in 1845 in Richmond. I emailed the submitter about the tree. I'm going to add this William Poythress to my list of things to find on my next trip to LVA. And I'll do some newspaper searches. Anyone know about the William Peterson Poythress in Richmond? On the tree, Charlotte Reed Poythress is listed to have died in 1897 in Richmond, so I may have to try to find the cemetery and see if William Poythress is by her.
Thanks,
Julie		08/19/2008 5:29:02
Re: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress & ReeSandyI wonder if more than one William Poythress may have become confused?

The William P. Poythress who is shown in 1880 as the s/o Charlotte, is
still residing in Richmond in 1900....

1900>>VA>>Henrico Co>>Richmond City; ED 85, sheet 4;
note( Ancestry shows this as Richmond's Madison Ward);
pg 163B (stamped); enumerated
(Ancestry img 8 of 17)
line 59
South 5th Street
#109?/73/104 (renumbered to 109/67/99); (all shown b VA/ parents b VA):
POYTHRESS, William P., head, 50; b Nov 1849; md/20; druggist;
" , Louisa C., wife, 35; b Fey 1865; md/20; 2 children/1 living;
" , Charlotte R., daur; 17 (age has been altered); b July 1881;

I note that in 1900 there's also a somewhat older William Poythress
(64), a "poultry raiser," with a wife also named Louisa (66)
enumerated in Petersburg...

-Sandy


On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Randy Jones wrote:
> Supposedly William Peterson Poythress died in either Bermuda or the Bahamas, so I doubt he will be in Hollywood Cemetery. On the other hand, she could well have erected a stone to memorialize him, since she evidently did not remarry.
> At findagrave.com for Hollywood Cemetery, it lists her (1825-Jun 1897), but not him.
> -- Randy Jones
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Julie Cabitto
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:29:02 AM
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress & Reed
>
> I followed Sandy's email to the 1850 Census image, and the way it looks, Charlotte is listed in the middle of Elias children which would make it appear Elias Reed was her father. I know Census aren't always that reliable with just one record. So I started to look for Elias Reed, and found a tree posted on Ancestry.com for a Charlotte Reed married to William Peterson Poythress in 1845 in Richmond. I emailed the submitter about the tree. I'm going to add this William Poythress to my list of things to find on my next trip to LVA. And I'll do some newspaper searches. Anyone know about the William Peterson Poythress in Richmond? On the tree, Charlotte Reed Poythress is listed to have died in 1897 in Richmond, so I may have to try to find the cemetery and see if William Poythress is by her.
> Thanks,
> Julie
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Mrs. C. PoythressJohn M. PoythressJulie, I would make it 10 to 1 that you are right.



The possibility shows quite clearly on the Batte chart.

There were THREE Charlotte Reed Poythresses and if the

lady in question is to be one of them she would have to

be the first one as the other two aren't born until 1880 and 1881. Here they are with the
Batte numbers:



William Peterson Poythress (1810-1862) RBB 211 241 m.

Charlotte Reed.

>

Son William Powhatan Poythress (1847-1920)

RBB 211 241 3 m. Louisa Campbell Mayo.

>

Daughters to above:

Charlotte Reed Poythress-A RBB 211 241 31

b. & d. 1880.

Charlotte Reed Poythress-B RBB 211 241 32

b. 1881-1906.		08/19/2008 7:51:14
Re: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress & VA Confederate medical background infoSandy,
I enjoyed your story.
Judy
-------------- Original message from "Julie Cabitto" : --------------

Sandy, I think it does look like her. I'll keep an eye out for her. I wasn't sure if Confederate dollars were loosing their value yet, so thanks for putting it into perspective Maynard. I did hear at the end of the war, there were a lot
> of people just happy to work for a room and some food.
> In Fredericksburg, VA, in December...can't remember which battle, because Fredericksburg switched hands between being run by Confederates and Unions 5 times, and it was a really die hard Confederate place. (And still is. I saw a re-enactment once where people were actually trying to run over anyone dressed in Blue.),...Anyhow,...there were journal entries in Fredericksburg of citizens and soldiers about how dire it was. The Irish Brigade (from Massachusetts) refused to "drink, loot and take over the peoples houses". Union soldiers took Fredericksburg citizens' china, furniture and even pianos and sold them further up north for provisions for their soldiers. But the Irish camped in the street.
> It was so cold, they chipped the ice off their beards in the morning and if
> people had wounds, they would die overnight. Around here in Virginia, the air is
> very wet, even in the winter. I can't imagine having to spend even a whole day
> outside without a coat, let alone over night! I've !
> known people from cold places of the west to say the winters here are really
> hard to bear with the wet coldness.--So people in Fredericksburg had a lot of
> respect for the Irish Brigade & Clara Barton and would give them meals whenever
> they could. In fact a lot of houses in Fredericksburg were saved from being
> hospitable to both sides, as far as giving food and water to hungry soldiers.
> I've read a lot of journals from people that lived in Fredericksburg. I used to
> give history tours of the city, now I just have fun looking for stories and
> telling them to try to describe how people lived. Hospitality was unusual here,
> in my opinion. So the stories intrigue me even more. If a Union officer knocked
> on a door and said "I'm hungry can you share your meal with me", the people did.
> And the women would say, even during war, they could not watch people go hungry
> because they were Christian. So when Fredericksburg was invaded, the officers
> would point out houses and say to their men !
> "save that house, they fed us dinner once". I know that the Jane Beale
> house and the Smithsonia (an elderly women's home) were saved that way.
> Identity of soldiers in Fredericksburg was a big deal. If a soldier saw a dead
> person about his size, he took his coat and shoes so he didn't die. So
> Confederate groups here had blue and gray coats. In the Confederate Cemetery in
> the city of Fredericksburg, only about 150 Confederates are known and over 3,000
> are unknown. The Union cemetery is even more dramatic in number because whole
> companies were wiped out at the Battle of Marye's Heights, with only one or two
> men surviving per company and usually they were injured and rushed to the
> hospitals, so there was no one to ID bodies. The Unions were beat so severely
> they retreated totally out of the city quickly and the people in Fredericksburg
> actually buried the Union men that died. So how would they know who the soldiers
> were? The ID info scrawled on a paper in pockets really didn't mean that's who
> they were at time of death. So guys started smoothing c!
> oins, and carving initials and company name, the beginning of dog tags. Things
> were pretty dire for several years in Fredericksburg and much of the help came
> from Richmond. And post war it was decades before financially the city could
> start recovering.
>
> I was trying to find a "C. Poythress" or any Poythress with a type of medical
> term listed for them in the census. I thought about the William Poythress listed
> as a druggist in Richmond, Is it the same family? I don't know if I've seen who
> that William's parents were. In Fredericksburg area, there were several women
> who faked it to be soldiers. There was a woman doctor at Chatham that everyone
> thought was male until she went to receive her Congressional medal of bravery.
> And then they didn't think they could give it to her because they thought she
> was a man. I can't remember if she ever got it or not, there was debate for
> quite awhile. Women weren't aloud to be doctors then, not even during war time
> crises. There were a few women that traveled with the companies to help with
> laundry and nursing. But it was pretty much just cleaning wounds (if there was
> clean water) and covering with bandages. There was a blockade here at all the
> entrances of Fredericksburg, to try to force t!
> he people to relinquish power to the Unions. It just made the people more
> determined though. Women were actually the blockade runners in Fredericksburg,
> because men could not touch or search them. There was a rule you could wear your
> hoop skirt as wide as you were tall, so women would strap bolts of material the
> insides of their skirts and medical supplies. Clara Barton went from Chatham
> Manor across the Rappahannock River, into Confederate territory to a church that
> was converted into a hospital, during a fierce battle. Clara kept stopping as
> she saw soldiers (from both sides) laying injured and would tear a piece of her
> skirt off to use as a bandage. Back then you had to have at least 2 petty coats
> over the hoop skirt, (and petticoats under the hoopskirts) so she was still
> pretty covered. She had bullet holes through her skirt by the time she reached
> the church. The people in Fredericksburg really liked her and her bravery. ..So
> when I see someone listed as a ward matron,!
> that seems like a pretty big deal to me. And that they must do more t
> han tie bandages. Especially at Chimborazo (? sp), where lots of surgeries took
> place. So I was thinking maybe "C. Poythress" could be listed as a nurse on a
> later Census, but I didn't see any Poythress on later Census listed as a nurse.
> Maybe she just got "on the job training" and didn't continue being a nurse? I
> would think anyone at a surgery would have nightmares. In Fredericksburg "bite
> the bullet" was literal. They ran out of morphine and had to "bite the bullet"
> for amputation, and bullets with teethmarks have been found and put in museums.
> I can't even imagine or want to think about it much. If Charlotte had a son
> William, and he became a druggist (are we talking about that same William?),
> then it would make sense, that he grew up watching his mom in a medical
> background. I'll have to look more into that. I wonder where the kids were
> during war, because I would assume she was widowed? I wonder if they could've
> roomed with her? Lots of "ifs", but hopefully the ifs and!
> searches could lead to some findings. Seeing a woman show up in confederate
> records is really not that common. And seeing a nurse listed as female, and as a
> ward matron, and having her room and board covered definitely has my interest 🙂
> I'll search the list archives for more on this William. I remember seeing city
> directory listings on LVA web site for William Poythress as a druggist
> (pharmacy) in Richmond. ...Wonder how or if they fit in with the Virginia
> Poythress families...I'll let you all know if I find anything more...
> Thanks,
> Julie Cabitto
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:01 AM
> Subject: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 59
>
>
> > Maynard,
> >
> > Do you not think she likely is the Charlotte Poythress living in
> > Richmond at least 1850-1880? I think this Charlotte is possibly the
> > daughter of Elias Reed in whose household she & her children are
> > living in 1850.
> >
> > -Sandy
> >
>
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> the subject and the body of the message		08/19/2008 8:02:15
Re: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress & VA Confederate medical background infoSandyOn Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Julie Cabitto wrote:

> I was trying to find a "C. Poythress" or any Poythress with a type of medical term listed for them in the census. I thought about the William Poythress listed as a druggist in Richmond, Is it the same family? I don't know if I've seen who that William's parents were.

Yes, Julie. Per the censuses, William P., the druggist, was a son of
Charlotte Poythress.

Here's the census tracking....

1850>>VA>>Richmond (Independent City);
pg 251A (stamped); enumerated 28 Aug 1850;
(Ancestry img 29 of 422)
line 24
#240/272
Elias REED, 67, merchant; born Massachusetts;
Elias ", 30, carpenter; b VA;
Sarah ", 28, b VA;
Charlotte POYTHRESS, 25, b VA;
Patrick Henry ", 4, b VA;
William ". ", b VA;
William REED, 22, machinist; b VA;
Virginia C. ", 19, b VA;
Henry ANDERSON(?), 45, (mulatto), b VA;

1860>>VA>>Henrico Co>>Richmond Ward 1 (?or Ward 7); PO=Richmond City;
pg 105 (hand numbered); enumerated 6 July 1860:
(Ancestry img #105 of 207)
line 37
#563/781 (all shown b VA)
Scharlott Portres, 38
Henry ", 14;
William ", 13;
Sally ", 8;

1870>>VA>>Richmond (Independent City). Marshall Ward
pg 193A (stamped); enumerated 6 July 1870;
(Ancestry img 85 of 134)
line 38
#716/888 (all shown b VA)
POYTRESS, Charlotte, 45; keeping house; val -/150;
" , Sarah R., 18;
" , Walter E., 8;

1880>>VA>>Henrico Co>>Richmond City, ED 92;
pg 371B (stamped); enumerated 4 June 1880;
(Ancestry img 14 of 42)
line 15
#2904/98/143:
POYTHRESS, C., (fem), 54, wid; keeping house; b VA; fa b MASS; mo b VA;
" , W.P., (male), 32, son, md; druggist; b VA/ parents b VA
" , L. C., (female), 30, wife (marked thru with "D in Law" written
above); md; b VA/ parents b VA
" , Sallie R., 28, daur; b VA/ parents b VA
" , W.E. (male), son, clerk; b VA/ parents b VA
DUNN, S. J?, (fem), boarder, wid; b VA/ parents b VA
MARKS, Henry N?, 17? (or 14), grandson; b VA/ parents b VA

And I send 1900 separately.

So per the censuses, William P. the druggist was, indeed, the son of
this Charlotte Poythress.... who looks to be Charlotte (nee Reed).

Hope this helps.

-Sandy		08/19/2008 8:05:05
Re: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress & VA Confederate medical background infoSandyI think the messages got confused, Judy. It was Julie's story, and I
enjoyed it very much, too. It's always so much fun to learn more about
the lives lived behind the dates, isn't it?

Best wishes,
Sandy

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:02 AM, wrote:
> Sandy,
> I enjoyed your story.
> Judy
> -------------- Original message from "Julie Cabitto" : --------------
>
> Sandy, I think it does look like her. I'll keep an eye out for her. I wasn't sure if Confederate dollars were loosing their value yet, so thanks for putting it into perspective Maynard. I did hear at the end of the war, there were a lot
>> of people just happy to work for a room and some food.
>> In Fredericksburg, VA, in December...can't remember which battle, because Fredericksburg switched hands between being run by Confederates and Unions 5 times, and it was a really die hard Confederate place. (And still is. I saw a re-enactment once where people were actually trying to run over anyone dressed in Blue.),...Anyhow,...there were journal entries in Fredericksburg of citizens and soldiers about how dire it was. The Irish Brigade (from Massachusetts) refused to "drink, loot and take over the peoples houses". Union soldiers took Fredericksburg citizens' china, furniture and even pianos and sold them further up north for provisions for their soldiers. But the Irish camped in the street.
>> It was so cold, they chipped the ice off their beards in the morning and if
>> people had wounds, they would die overnight. Around here in Virginia, the air is
>> very wet, even in the winter. I can't imagine having to spend even a whole day
>> outside without a coat, let alone over night! I've !
>> known people from cold places of the west to say the winters here are really
>> hard to bear with the wet coldness.--So people in Fredericksburg had a lot of
>> respect for the Irish Brigade & Clara Barton and would give them meals whenever
>> they could. In fact a lot of houses in Fredericksburg were saved from being
>> hospitable to both sides, as far as giving food and water to hungry soldiers.
>> I've read a lot of journals from people that lived in Fredericksburg. I used to
>> give history tours of the city, now I just have fun looking for stories and
>> telling them to try to describe how people lived. Hospitality was unusual here,
>> in my opinion. So the stories intrigue me even more. If a Union officer knocked
>> on a door and said "I'm hungry can you share your meal with me", the people did.
>> And the women would say, even during war, they could not watch people go hungry
>> because they were Christian. So when Fredericksburg was invaded, the officers
>> would point out houses and say to their men !
>> "save that house, they fed us dinner once". I know that the Jane Beale
>> house and the Smithsonia (an elderly women's home) were saved that way.
>> Identity of soldiers in Fredericksburg was a big deal. If a soldier saw a dead
>> person about his size, he took his coat and shoes so he didn't die. So
>> Confederate groups here had blue and gray coats. In the Confederate Cemetery in
>> the city of Fredericksburg, only about 150 Confederates are known and over 3,000
>> are unknown. The Union cemetery is even more dramatic in number because whole
>> companies were wiped out at the Battle of Marye's Heights, with only one or two
>> men surviving per company and usually they were injured and rushed to the
>> hospitals, so there was no one to ID bodies. The Unions were beat so severely
>> they retreated totally out of the city quickly and the people in Fredericksburg
>> actually buried the Union men that died. So how would they know who the soldiers
>> were? The ID info scrawled on a paper in pockets really didn't mean that's who
>> they were at time of death. So guys started smoothing c!
>> oins, and carving initials and company name, the beginning of dog tags. Things
>> were pretty dire for several years in Fredericksburg and much of the help came
>> from Richmond. And post war it was decades before financially the city could
>> start recovering.
>>
>> I was trying to find a "C. Poythress" or any Poythress with a type of medical
>> term listed for them in the census. I thought about the William Poythress listed
>> as a druggist in Richmond, Is it the same family? I don't know if I've seen who
>> that William's parents were. In Fredericksburg area, there were several women
>> who faked it to be soldiers. There was a woman doctor at Chatham that everyone
>> thought was male until she went to receive her Congressional medal of bravery.
>> And then they didn't think they could give it to her because they thought she
>> was a man. I can't remember if she ever got it or not, there was debate for
>> quite awhile. Women weren't aloud to be doctors then, not even during war time
>> crises. There were a few women that traveled with the companies to help with
>> laundry and nursing. But it was pretty much just cleaning wounds (if there was
>> clean water) and covering with bandages. There was a blockade here at all the
>> entrances of Fredericksburg, to try to force t!
>> he people to relinquish power to the Unions. It just made the people more
>> determined though. Women were actually the blockade runners in Fredericksburg,
>> because men could not touch or search them. There was a rule you could wear your
>> hoop skirt as wide as you were tall, so women would strap bolts of material the
>> insides of their skirts and medical supplies. Clara Barton went from Chatham
>> Manor across the Rappahannock River, into Confederate territory to a church that
>> was converted into a hospital, during a fierce battle. Clara kept stopping as
>> she saw soldiers (from both sides) laying injured and would tear a piece of her
>> skirt off to use as a bandage. Back then you had to have at least 2 petty coats
>> over the hoop skirt, (and petticoats under the hoopskirts) so she was still
>> pretty covered. She had bullet holes through her skirt by the time she reached
>> the church. The people in Fredericksburg really liked her and her bravery. ..So
>> when I see someone listed as a ward matron,!
>> that seems like a pretty big deal to me. And that they must do more t
>> han tie bandages. Especially at Chimborazo (? sp), where lots of surgeries took
>> place. So I was thinking maybe "C. Poythress" could be listed as a nurse on a
>> later Census, but I didn't see any Poythress on later Census listed as a nurse.
>> Maybe she just got "on the job training" and didn't continue being a nurse? I
>> would think anyone at a surgery would have nightmares. In Fredericksburg "bite
>> the bullet" was literal. They ran out of morphine and had to "bite the bullet"
>> for amputation, and bullets with teethmarks have been found and put in museums.
>> I can't even imagine or want to think about it much. If Charlotte had a son
>> William, and he became a druggist (are we talking about that same William?),
>> then it would make sense, that he grew up watching his mom in a medical
>> background. I'll have to look more into that. I wonder where the kids were
>> during war, because I would assume she was widowed? I wonder if they could've
>> roomed with her? Lots of "ifs", but hopefully the ifs and!
>> searches could lead to some findings. Seeing a woman show up in confederate
>> records is really not that common. And seeing a nurse listed as female, and as a
>> ward matron, and having her room and board covered definitely has my interest 🙂
>> I'll search the list archives for more on this William. I remember seeing city
>> directory listings on LVA web site for William Poythress as a druggist
>> (pharmacy) in Richmond. ...Wonder how or if they fit in with the Virginia
>> Poythress families...I'll let you all know if I find anything more...
>> Thanks,
>> Julie Cabitto
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:01 AM
>> Subject: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 59
>>
>>
>> > Maynard,
>> >
>> > Do you not think she likely is the Charlotte Poythress living in
>> > Richmond at least 1850-1880? I think this Charlotte is possibly the
>> > daughter of Elias Reed in whose household she & her children are
>> > living in 1850.
>> >
>> > -Sandy
>> >
>>
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>		08/20/2008 2:35:19
Re: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress & ReeSandyI seem to have confused the William P's.... the following obviously
being William Powhatan Poythress, apparent son of William Peterson.
Please excuse my befuddled brain.

Since William Peterson didn't die until 1862, I wonder where he was in
1850 & 1860? He doesn't seem to be enumerated with Charlotte and the
children.

-Sandy


On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Sandy wrote:
> I wonder if more than one William Poythress may have become confused?
>
> The William P. Poythress who is shown in 1880 as the s/o Charlotte, is
> still residing in Richmond in 1900....
>
> 1900>>VA>>Henrico Co>>Richmond City; ED 85, sheet 4;
> note( Ancestry shows this as Richmond's Madison Ward);
> pg 163B (stamped); enumerated
> (Ancestry img 8 of 17)
> line 59
> South 5th Street
> #109?/73/104 (renumbered to 109/67/99); (all shown b VA/ parents b VA):
> POYTHRESS, William P., head, 50; b Nov 1849; md/20; druggist;
> " , Louisa C., wife, 35; b Fey 1865; md/20; 2 children/1 living;
> " , Charlotte R., daur; 17 (age has been altered); b July 1881;
>
> I note that in 1900 there's also a somewhat older William Poythress
> (64), a "poultry raiser," with a wife also named Louisa (66)
> enumerated in Petersburg...
>
> -Sandy
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Randy Jones wrote:
>> Supposedly William Peterson Poythress died in either Bermuda or the Bahamas, so I doubt he will be in Hollywood Cemetery. On the other hand, she could well have erected a stone to memorialize him, since she evidently did not remarry.
>> At findagrave.com for Hollywood Cemetery, it lists her (1825-Jun 1897), but not him.
>> -- Randy Jones
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Julie Cabitto
>> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:29:02 AM
>> Subject: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress & Reed
>>
>> I followed Sandy's email to the 1850 Census image, and the way it looks, Charlotte is listed in the middle of Elias children which would make it appear Elias Reed was her father. I know Census aren't always that reliable with just one record. So I started to look for Elias Reed, and found a tree posted on Ancestry.com for a Charlotte Reed married to William Peterson Poythress in 1845 in Richmond. I emailed the submitter about the tree. I'm going to add this William Poythress to my list of things to find on my next trip to LVA. And I'll do some newspaper searches. Anyone know about the William Peterson Poythress in Richmond? On the tree, Charlotte Reed Poythress is listed to have died in 1897 in Richmond, so I may have to try to find the cemetery and see if William Poythress is by her.
>> Thanks,
>> Julie
>>
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>>
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>		08/20/2008 2:45:43
Re: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress @HollywoodmgunnIs it only Civil War soldiers for whom Hollywood Cemetery will provide gravestones for $100?  My great great grandmother has no gravestone although the HC records show her buried by my gggrandfather, and she had a tall obelisk erected for him!  We have talked of having a stone installed for her.  My mother is buried in that plot, and I think I will be, too--eventually!  Thanks for letting us know of this option.
Margaret Gunn 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Pat"
Sent 8/20/2008 6:28:38 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress @HollywoodWouldn't we need to know which William Poythress is buried there? I think
that more than one Wm Poythress from VA died in the Civil War. Would
Hollywood Cemetery possibly have DOB & DOD of any people buried there?
Par
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Cabitto"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:26 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress @Hollywood
> I'm glad you saw this listing Randy. I'll have to call and talk to someone
> at Hollywood Cemetery. I have a Confederate relative buried in Hollywood
> Cemetery. He had no stone. The government pays for two tombstones stones
> to be erected each year at Hollywood Cemetery. So out of over 5,000
> confederates, not even 1,000 have stones yet. But if you can prove you are
> related, you can have a stone erected, and it is in addition to the two
> stones covered each year. Most of the stones erected are from descendants
> filling in veteran paperwork. Under the Veterans benefits laws, I needed
> to submit paperwork, show that I was a direct descendant, and sent the
> paperwork to the veterans administration. The cemetery office staff helped
> me through every step and it really wasn't that hard. They erected a stone
> for my relative, I just had to pay the cemetery fee for setting the stone.
> Some cemeteries don't charge for veterans, but Hollywood is a big cemetery
> with lots of upkeep expenses, so th!
> ey charged us 100$ to set the stone. It was about 6 months from the time I
> turned in the paperwork until the stone was in place. And Hollywood
> Cemetery sent me a card to notify me it was set. They called me and asked
> me to look at it first, to make sure there weren't any errors before
> setting the stone. So it was only 100$ from start to finish. Just putting
> that out there, in case you know of ancestors of yours without headstones.
> So, my point I guess is, is Find A Grave listing just for the stones
> showing? Or is it a copy of the Hollywood cemetery registry which is I
> think 10,000 names. I will call them, and ask them to look in their book
> and see if William Poythress is there. One other thing about Hollywood
> Cemetery in Richmond, VA. There is a very large section of Confederates
> that died in Gettysburg. The bodies were transferred.
> In the Spotsylvania Courthouse Confederate cemetery, bodies from
> Chancellorsville battle were moved to the Spotsy cemetery. From what I've
> seen if they died at sea, they usually weren't buried. But if it was
> proven that they died, then a monument would be erected. Like on a muster
> roll. There were so many people that just didn't know, until enough time
> had passed they knew they weren't coming home. That happened with one of
> my grandpa's. His last muster roll said he was sick, and over age, so they
> released him to go home. And he never made it home. Well, anyhow, I'll
> call the cemetery. And thanks to you all for connecting the William that
> was the druggist with this Charlotte, and for the Census info from you
> Sandy.
> Thanks,
> Julie
>
> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:11:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Randy Jones
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress & Reed
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Message-ID: <173724.98905.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Supposedly William Peterson Poythress died in either Bermuda or the
> Bahamas, so I doubt he will be in Hollywood Cemetery.? On the other hand,
> she could well have erected a stone to memorialize him, since she
> evidently did not remarry.
> At findagrave.com for Hollywood Cemetery, it lists her (1825-Jun 1897),
> but not him.
> ? -- Randy Jones
>
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[POYTHRESS] C. Poythress @HollywoodJulie CabittoI'm glad you saw this listing Randy. I'll have to call and talk to someone at Hollywood Cemetery. I have a Confederate relative buried in Hollywood Cemetery. He had no stone. The government pays for two tombstones stones to be erected each year at Hollywood Cemetery. So out of over 5,000 confederates, not even 1,000 have stones yet. But if you can prove you are related, you can have a stone erected, and it is in addition to the two stones covered each year. Most of the stones erected are from descendants filling in veteran paperwork. Under the Veterans benefits laws, I needed to submit paperwork, show that I was a direct descendant, and sent the paperwork to the veterans administration. The cemetery office staff helped me through every step and it really wasn't that hard. They erected a stone for my relative, I just had to pay the cemetery fee for setting the stone. Some cemeteries don't charge for veterans, but Hollywood is a big cemetery with lots of upkeep expenses, so they charged us 100$ to set the stone. It was about 6 months from the time I turned in the paperwork until the stone was in place. And Hollywood Cemetery sent me a card to notify me it was set. They called me and asked me to look at it first, to make sure there weren't any errors before setting the stone. So it was only 100$ from start to finish. Just putting that out there, in case you know of ancestors of yours without headstones.
So, my point I guess is, is Find A Grave listing just for the stones showing? Or is it a copy of the Hollywood cemetery registry which is I think 10,000 names. I will call them, and ask them to look in their book and see if William Poythress is there. One other thing about Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond, VA. There is a very large section of Confederates that died in Gettysburg. The bodies were transferred.
In the Spotsylvania Courthouse Confederate cemetery, bodies from Chancellorsville battle were moved to the Spotsy cemetery. From what I've seen if they died at sea, they usually weren't buried. But if it was proven that they died, then a monument would be erected. Like on a muster roll. There were so many people that just didn't know, until enough time had passed they knew they weren't coming home. That happened with one of my grandpa's. His last muster roll said he was sick, and over age, so they released him to go home. And he never made it home. Well, anyhow, I'll call the cemetery. And thanks to you all for connecting the William that was the druggist with this Charlotte, and for the Census info from you Sandy.
Thanks,
Julie

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:11:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Randy Jones
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress & Reed
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <173724.98905.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Supposedly William Peterson Poythress died in either Bermuda or the Bahamas, so I doubt he will be in Hollywood Cemetery.? On the other hand, she could well have erected a stone to memorialize him, since she evidently did not remarry.
At findagrave.com for Hollywood Cemetery, it lists her (1825-Jun 1897), but not him.
? -- Randy Jones		08/20/2008 6:26:48
Re: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress @HollywoodPatWouldn't we need to know which William Poythress is buried there? I think
that more than one Wm Poythress from VA died in the Civil War. Would
Hollywood Cemetery possibly have DOB & DOD of any people buried there?

Par
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Cabitto"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:26 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress @Hollywood


> I'm glad you saw this listing Randy. I'll have to call and talk to someone
> at Hollywood Cemetery. I have a Confederate relative buried in Hollywood
> Cemetery. He had no stone. The government pays for two tombstones stones
> to be erected each year at Hollywood Cemetery. So out of over 5,000
> confederates, not even 1,000 have stones yet. But if you can prove you are
> related, you can have a stone erected, and it is in addition to the two
> stones covered each year. Most of the stones erected are from descendants
> filling in veteran paperwork. Under the Veterans benefits laws, I needed
> to submit paperwork, show that I was a direct descendant, and sent the
> paperwork to the veterans administration. The cemetery office staff helped
> me through every step and it really wasn't that hard. They erected a stone
> for my relative, I just had to pay the cemetery fee for setting the stone.
> Some cemeteries don't charge for veterans, but Hollywood is a big cemetery
> with lots of upkeep expenses, so th!
> ey charged us 100$ to set the stone. It was about 6 months from the time I
> turned in the paperwork until the stone was in place. And Hollywood
> Cemetery sent me a card to notify me it was set. They called me and asked
> me to look at it first, to make sure there weren't any errors before
> setting the stone. So it was only 100$ from start to finish. Just putting
> that out there, in case you know of ancestors of yours without headstones.
> So, my point I guess is, is Find A Grave listing just for the stones
> showing? Or is it a copy of the Hollywood cemetery registry which is I
> think 10,000 names. I will call them, and ask them to look in their book
> and see if William Poythress is there. One other thing about Hollywood
> Cemetery in Richmond, VA. There is a very large section of Confederates
> that died in Gettysburg. The bodies were transferred.
> In the Spotsylvania Courthouse Confederate cemetery, bodies from
> Chancellorsville battle were moved to the Spotsy cemetery. From what I've
> seen if they died at sea, they usually weren't buried. But if it was
> proven that they died, then a monument would be erected. Like on a muster
> roll. There were so many people that just didn't know, until enough time
> had passed they knew they weren't coming home. That happened with one of
> my grandpa's. His last muster roll said he was sick, and over age, so they
> released him to go home. And he never made it home. Well, anyhow, I'll
> call the cemetery. And thanks to you all for connecting the William that
> was the druggist with this Charlotte, and for the Census info from you
> Sandy.
> Thanks,
> Julie
>
> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:11:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Randy Jones
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress & Reed
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Message-ID: <173724.98905.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Supposedly William Peterson Poythress died in either Bermuda or the
> Bahamas, so I doubt he will be in Hollywood Cemetery.? On the other hand,
> she could well have erected a stone to memorialize him, since she
> evidently did not remarry.
> At findagrave.com for Hollywood Cemetery, it lists her (1825-Jun 1897),
> but not him.
> ? -- Randy Jones
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>		08/20/2008 12:28:38
[POYTHRESS] Veteran's headstonesHi all
If interested in getting a veteran's stone contact local Veteran's office or American Legion; VFW etc.
In Veteran's Cemeteries, when husband and wife are both buried, they are place in the same plot with the soldier's name on the front and wife's name on the back of the stone. This is how my parents are buried.

When my mom died first her name was on the front and then when my father died the stone was removed and destroyed and a new stone with his name on front and my mom's name on back was place there. Since it was a veteran's cemetery there was no cost to the family, however, for other cemeteries there maybe a charge for placing the stone.
A few years ago we also had a stone placed for my gg grandfather in Oakwood Cemetery. He was a confederate soldier. We got help through one of Confederate Veterans groups in Virginia.

I am not sure how it will be done if they are not in same plot and if he already has a stone, but you can check to see if they will place a veteran's stone with both of their names on it.

Cindy
-------------- Original message from "mgunn" : --------------

Is it only Civil War soldiers for whom Hollywood Cemetery will provide gravestones for $100? My great great grandmother has no gravestone although the HC records show her buried by my gggrandfather, and she had a tall obelisk erected for him! We have talked of having a stone installed for her. My mother is buried in that plot, and I think I will be, too--eventually! Thanks
> for letting us know of this option.
> Margaret Gunn
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Pat"
> Sent 8/20/2008 6:28:38 PM
> To: poythress@rootsweb.comSubject: Re: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress @HollywoodWouldn't we need to know which
> William Poythress is buried there? I think
> that more than one Wm Poythress from VA died in the Civil War. Would
> Hollywood Cemetery possibly have DOB & DOD of any people buried there?
> Par
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie Cabitto"
> To:

> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:26 PM
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress @Hollywood
> > I'm glad you saw this listing Randy. I'll have to call and talk to someone
> > at Hollywood Cemetery. I have a Confederate relative buried in Hollywood
> > Cemetery. He had no stone. The government pays for two tombstones stones
> > to be erected each year at Hollywood Cemetery. So out of over 5,000
> > confederates, not even 1,000 have stones yet. But if you can prove you are
> > related, you can have a stone erected, and it is in addition to the two
> > stones covered each year. Most of the stones erected are from descendants
> > filling in veteran paperwork. Under the Veterans benefits laws, I needed
> > to submit paperwork, show that I was a direct descendant, and sent the
> > paperwork to the veterans administration. The cemetery office staff helped
> > me through every step and it really wasn't that hard. They erected a stone
> > for my relative, I just had to pay the cemetery fee for setting the stone.
> > Some cemeteries don't charge for veterans, but Hollywood is a big cemetery
> > with lots of upkeep expenses, so th!
> > ey charged us 100$ to set the stone. It was about 6 months from the time I
> > turned in the paperwork until the stone was in place. And Hollywood
> > Cemetery sent me a card to notify me it was set. They called me and asked
> > me to look at it first, to make sure there weren't any errors before
> > setting the stone. So it was only 100$ from start to finish. Just putting
> > that out there, in case you know of ancestors of yours without headstones.
> > So, my point I guess is, is Find A Grave listing just for the stones
> > showing? Or is it a copy of the Hollywood cemetery registry which is I
> > think 10,000 names. I will call them, and ask them to look in their book
> > and see if William Poythress is there. One other thing about Hollywood
> > Cemetery in Richmond, VA. There is a very large section of Confederates
> > that died in Gettysburg. The bodies were transferred.
> > In the Spotsylvania Courthouse Confederate cemetery, bodies from
> > Chancellorsville battle were moved to the Spotsy cemetery. From what I've
> > seen if they died at sea, they usually weren't buried. But if it was
> > proven that they died, then a monument would be erected. Like on a muster
> > roll. There were so many people that just didn't know, until enough time
> > had passed they knew they weren't coming home. That happened with one of
> > my grandpa's. His last muster roll said he was sick, and over age, so they
> > released him to go home. And he never made it home. Well, anyhow, I'll
> > call the cemetery. And thanks to you all for connecting the William that
> > was the druggist with this Charlotte, and for the Census info from you
> > Sandy.
> > Thanks,
> > Julie
> >
> > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:11:15 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Randy Jones
> > Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] C. Poythress & Reed
> > To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> > Message-ID: <173724.98905.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Supposedly William Peterson Poythress died in either Bermuda or the
> > Bahamas, so I doubt he will be in Hollywood Cemetery.? On the other hand,
> > she could well have erected a stone to memorialize him, since she
> > evidently did not remarry.
> > At findagrave.com for Hollywood Cemetery, it lists her (1825-Jun 1897),
> > but not him.
> > ? -- Randy Jones
> >
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[POYTHRESS] William Edward Poythress of Screven Co., GAAshley WoodliffI am looking for the parents of William Edward Poythress (born 11 Jul 1888; died 3 Dec 1907 in Screven County, GA). He is buried in North Newington Baptist Church Cemetery. He was married to Martha Jane Usher, also buried in NNBC cemetery. His son Gazzie Hannah Poythress was my great-grandfather.
 
If any one has any information on William E. Poythress' parents, I would appreciate any leads to tracking them down.
 
Thanks!




Ashley P. Woodliff
Charlotte, NC

ashley_woodliff@yahoo.com		08/22/2008 5:27:13
Re: [POYTHRESS] William & brother Russell Poythress-GeorgiaJohn M. PoythressJulie, you are correct. Both William B. Poythress and Russell K. Poythress are sons of
Mary and Joseph Poythress of Troup

County, GA. Joseph first appears 1814 or so in Warren County

(the SE part of GA where some of the other VA people came),

marries Mary King, moves to Troup County about 1830 and amasses

somehow (probably cotton) a huge fortune and more than a hundred slaves.



I am assured that Joseph is part of our Virginia crowd since

they had two brothers named Francis and Hardeman...which makes

it almost a cinch.



Maynard



-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
Julie Cabitto
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:16
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] William & brother Russell Poythress-Georgia



Not sure why they showed up under Virginia, because it definitely looks like they're from
Georgia. I'm only really familiar with the Virginia Poythress, and I hadn't heard of a
Russell Poythress in that time period in VA.

So I went back to re-read Russell's page. It was written by Russell Poythress and he
states he's writing it on behalf of his brother William Poythress. It is labeled at the
top of the page as from "Troup County Georgia". So I looked on the Poythress list
archives, and saw this posting below by Michael Tutor 9 Dec 2005. So I expect it would
actually be these two brothers below that are mentioned in this Confederate case.

Can someone tell me again who the parents are of this group? Thanks, Julie Cabitto

______________________________________________________________

>From Michael Tutor's posting:

Georgia

Troup County

1853 Joseph Poythress (c. 1789-1853) Will

1853 Mary Poythress (1798-1853) husband's Will

1853 Mary Ann E. Poythress (c. 1822-) fathers' Will

1853 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) fathers' Will

1853 Russell K. Poythress (c. 1823-) fathers' Will

1853 Sarah Jane Poythress (c. 1828-) fathers' Will

1854 Mary Poythress (1798-1854) Will

1854 William B. Poythress (c. 1818-) mother's Will

1854 Francis A. Poythress (c. 1836-1860) mother's Will



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Re: [POYTHRESS] Veterans stonesSandyThe U.S. Dept of Veterans Affairs (i.e., the "VA") issues these grave
markers. More information is available from that department - see the
department's web site section on "Burial and Memorial Benefits":
http://www.cem.va.gov/

-Sandy


On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Julie Cabitto wrote:
> Like Cindy said, I've heard all that she said about stones.
> I'd call the Veteran's Benefits Assoc. Like Cindy said many cemeteries don't charge for setting veterans stones. Also, I have seen stones erected on family farms for Confederates who did not die in battle. But when they died, they were able to have a stone placed on their family farm.
> It is my understanding that this benefit applies to all veterans of all wars who died in battle, or died while enlisted. If they have not died in battle, I think they may have to have served for a certain amt of time. Like if they were only in for 2-4 years total in non-combat, I don't know if that benefit applies. But my father put in 20 years so he will be covered. I would call, they're very nice, and help with every step of the process. The cemetery gave me the contact info. I have since misplaced the contact info, but I'm sure you could find it on-line.
> Hope that helps,
> Julie Cabitto in VA
> -------------- Original message from "mgunn" : --------------
>
> Is it only Civil War soldiers for whom Hollywood Cemetery will provide gravestones for $100? My great great grandmother has no gravestone although the HC records show her buried by my gggrandfather, and she had a tall obelisk erected for him! We have talked of having a stone installed for her. My mother is buried in that plot, and I think I will be, too--eventually! Thanks
>> for letting us know of this option.
>> Margaret Gunn
>
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>		08/23/2008 3:43:10
[POYTHRESS] Veterans stonesJulie CabittoLike Cindy said, I've heard all that she said about stones.
I'd call the Veteran's Benefits Assoc. Like Cindy said many cemeteries don't charge for setting veterans stones. Also, I have seen stones erected on family farms for Confederates who did not die in battle. But when they died, they were able to have a stone placed on their family farm.
It is my understanding that this benefit applies to all veterans of all wars who died in battle, or died while enlisted. If they have not died in battle, I think they may have to have served for a certain amt of time. Like if they were only in for 2-4 years total in non-combat, I don't know if that benefit applies. But my father put in 20 years so he will be covered. I would call, they're very nice, and help with every step of the process. The cemetery gave me the contact info. I have since misplaced the contact info, but I'm sure you could find it on-line.
Hope that helps,
Julie Cabitto in VA
-------------- Original message from "mgunn" : --------------

Is it only Civil War soldiers for whom Hollywood Cemetery will provide gravestones for $100? My great great grandmother has no gravestone although the HC records show her buried by my gggrandfather, and she had a tall obelisk erected for him! We have talked of having a stone installed for her. My mother is buried in that plot, and I think I will be, too--eventually! Thanks
> for letting us know of this option.
> Margaret Gunn		08/23/2008 4:20:21
Re: [POYTHRESS] Veterans stonesJohn M. PoythressSandy's instns are correct. As to eligibility, you fill out
the form yourself and mail it in. My experience 6 or 7 years
ago was for a CSA vet. There were no questions asked and I
was putting it out in a grove of pine trees where nobody had
been for 100 years or so....and the govmt. didn't even ask that
question. I got the feeling I could have told 'em just about
anything; my guess is they have neither the staff nor the
inclination to do any rigid checking. You just send 'em a
drawing of what you want on the stone. On the ordering form
they will have spelled out the rules for how many letters,
lines, etc.

One thing to know is they have two kinds; one is for setting in
concrete upright and the other is a flat stone that is about
6" high. If you opt for the flat one you can have it sent to
your home and place it yourself. If you opt for the upright one
I doubt if the cemetery would want you in there pouring concrete,
etc. Each of them weighs a ton. You'd likely want to send the
upright one directly to the cemetery if it's a cemetery that has
the facilities to set it. I ordered the flat one and saw some
irony that it was quarried in GA, shipped to KY and then lugged
back to GA for placement.

I wish now I had ordered the upright one (I could have "set it"
myself) as I think it's more impressive but that's just a matter
of taste.

Anybody want a pic of a flat one just email me and I'll send it.

Maynard




-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
Sandy
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:43
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Veterans stones

The U.S. Dept of Veterans Affairs (i.e., the "VA") issues these grave
markers. More information is available from that department - see the
department's web site section on "Burial and Memorial Benefits":
http://www.cem.va.gov/

-Sandy


On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Julie Cabitto wrote:
> Like Cindy said, I've heard all that she said about stones.
> I'd call the Veteran's Benefits Assoc. Like Cindy said many cemeteries don't charge for
setting veterans stones. Also, I have seen stones erected on family farms for Confederates
who did not die in battle. But when they died, they were able to have a stone placed on
their family farm.
> It is my understanding that this benefit applies to all veterans of all wars who died in
battle, or died while enlisted. If they have not died in battle, I think they may have to
have served for a certain amt of time. Like if they were only in for 2-4 years total in
non-combat, I don't know if that benefit applies. But my father put in 20 years so he will
be covered. I would call, they're very nice, and help with every step of the process. The
cemetery gave me the contact info. I have since misplaced the contact info, but I'm sure
you could find it on-line.
> Hope that helps,
> Julie Cabitto in VA
> -------------- Original message from "mgunn" : --------------
>
> Is it only Civil War soldiers for whom Hollywood Cemetery will provide gravestones for
$100? My great great grandmother has no gravestone although the HC records show her
buried by my gggrandfather, and she had a tall obelisk erected for him! We have talked of
having a stone installed for her. My mother is buried in that plot, and I think I will
be, too--eventually! Thanks
>> for letting us know of this option.
>> Margaret Gunn
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Veterans stonesmgunnI don't usually read through these messages, but thoroughly enjoyed yours!  As a "graveyard crawler," I must comment that flat (or the early tabletop) stones seem to weather less well than the upright stones.  But that's something only our descendants will have to worry about in a few hundred years!  I've had poison ivy a few times from doing rubbings of old gravestones to find out which ancestor is which.  A little hint:  watch out for periwinkle as it seems to love growing along with poison ivy.  Of course my husband pointed out in the photos that I was pulling the poison ivy away from the stones with my hands so that my cousin and I could do the rubbings.  Who's paying attention when one finds one's great great grandmother in the wilds of Kentucky!
Margaret Gunn
-----Original Message-----
From: "John M. Poythress"
Sent 8/23/2008 2:04:19 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Veterans stonesSandy's instns are correct. As to eligibility, you fill out
the form yourself and mail it in. My experience 6 or 7 years
ago was for a CSA vet. There were no questions asked and I
was putting it out in a grove of pine trees where nobody had
been for 100 years or so....and the govmt. didn't even ask that
question. I got the feeling I could have told 'em just about
anything; my guess is they have neither the staff nor the
inclination to do any rigid checking. You just send 'em a
drawing of what you want on the stone. On the ordering form
they will have spelled out the rules for how many letters,
lines, etc.
One thing to know is they have two kinds; one is for setting in
concrete upright and the other is a flat stone that is about
6" high. If you opt for the flat one you can have it sent to
your home and place it yourself. If you opt for the upright one
I doubt if the cemetery would want you in there pouring concrete,
etc. Each of them weighs a ton. You'd likely want to send the
upright one directly to the cemetery if it's a cemetery that has
the facilities to set it. I ordered the flat one and saw some
irony that it was quarried in GA, shipped to KY and then lugged
back to GA for placement.
I wish now I had ordered the upright one (I could have "set it"
myself) as I think it's more impressive but that's just a matter
of taste.
Anybody want a pic of a flat one just email me and I'll send it.
Maynard
-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
Sandy
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:43
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Veterans stones
The U.S. Dept of Veterans Affairs (i.e., the "VA") issues these grave
markers. More information is available from that department - see the
department's web site section on "Burial and Memorial Benefits":
http://www.cem.va.gov/
-Sandy
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Julie Cabitto wrote:
> Like Cindy said, I've heard all that she said about stones.
> I'd call the Veteran's Benefits Assoc. Like Cindy said many cemeteries don't charge for
setting veterans stones. Also, I have seen stones erected on family farms for Confederates
who did not die in battle. But when they died, they were able to have a stone placed on
their family farm.
> It is my understanding that this benefit applies to all veterans of all wars who died in
battle, or died while enlisted. If they have not died in battle, I think they may have to
have served for a certain amt of time. Like if they were only in for 2-4 years total in
non-combat, I don't know if that benefit applies. But my father put in 20 years so he will
be covered. I would call, they're very nice, and help with every step of the process. The
cemetery gave me the contact info. I have since misplaced the contact info, but I'm sure
you could find it on-line.
> Hope that helps,
> Julie Cabitto in VA
> -------------- Original message from "mgunn" : --------------
>
> Is it only Civil War soldiers for whom Hollywood Cemetery will provide gravestones for
$100? My great great grandmother has no gravestone although the HC records show her
buried by my gggrandfather, and she had a tall obelisk erected for him! We have talked of
having a stone installed for her. My mother is buried in that plot, and I think I will
be, too--eventually! Thanks
>> for letting us know of this option.
>> Margaret Gunn
>
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[POYTHRESS] 1918 Flu EpidemicJohn M. PoythressMy first cousin in Macon, Margaret Poythress, is retired from being an operating

nurse on that big white hospital ship (The Hope?) that went around the world stopping

at epidemics, etc. She has maintained her contacts at the Communicable Disease

Center in Atlanta.



She tells me the CDC is preparing a "study" of the "story" of the 1918 flu epidemic

and is soliciting "to be selected" stories of families effected in dramatic ways by the

epidemic that wiped out a sizable part of GA, SC, and AL in that year.



While we suspect that our grandfather died of this flu in 1918 resulting in the

"diaspora" of his children, I doubt if we have enough proof to make a story,

and if we did, I suspect that their story was not compellingly different from that of

any other family.



However, if anyone does have such a story and would like to submit it I will be

happy to put you in touch with the people involved with the project.



Maynard		08/26/2008 9:00:38
[POYTHRESS] info from rsss bDo we have this already?

http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/REvlist.asp

http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/Revdetail.asp?Type=v&warrant=1878.2

Sue		08/27/2008 9:23:23
[POYTHRESS] do we have this?s bhttp://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/patentseries/vaandokpatents/Default.aspx

OK (old Kentucky) 1668.0
1669.0 William Poythress		08/27/2008 10:35:09
Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 67s bThere were a few others too for those that might want them.
1668.0 william
1669.0
1971.0
3543.0 francis poythruss
3551.0
3553.0
3552.0
Anyone heard of bethal academy? Francis and others were trustees


>
> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/REvlist.asp
>
> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/Revdetail.asp?Type=v&warrant=1878.2
>
> Sue
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:39:08 -0400
> From: "John M. Poythress"
>
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] info from rss
> To: ,
>
> Message-ID: <000a01c90895$b8bad0d0$6101a8c0@D4LGPQ11>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Well, I have it....but some may not. And once you find
> this William he's the only one there is which may save
> someone the extra searching.
>
> Sharp eyeball there, Sue, not many find this one and I
> certainly would not have thought to look for it if I
> wasn't
> living in KY.
>
> Maynard
>
>> Do we have this already?
>
> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/REvlist.asp
>
> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/Revdetail.asp?Type=v&warrant=1878.2
>
> Sue		08/27/2008 11:49:27
Re: [POYTHRESS] info from rssJohn M. PoythressWell, I have it....but some may not. And once you find
this William he's the only one there is which may save
someone the extra searching.

Sharp eyeball there, Sue, not many find this one and I
certainly would not have thought to look for it if I wasn't
living in KY.

Maynard


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s b
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:23
To: POYTHRESS@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] info from rss

Do we have this already?

http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/REvlist.asp

http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/Revdetail.asp?Type=v&warrant=1878.2

Sue




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Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 67John M. PoythressSue, you have obviously found something I have totally missed. I plug into the military
warrants the numbers you show below
and they are all total strangers. 1668.0, for example, is a
warrant for a Robert Hart, 1669.0 is Austin Lawless, etc. etc.

What am I missing? Thanks. Maynard

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s b
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:49
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 67


There were a few others too for those that might want them.
1668.0 william
1669.0
1971.0
3543.0 francis poythruss
3551.0
3553.0
3552.0
Anyone heard of bethal academy? Francis and others were trustees


>
> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/REvlist.asp
>
> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/Revdetail.asp?Type=v&warrant=1878.2
>
> Sue
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:39:08 -0400
> From: "John M. Poythress"
>
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] info from rss
> To: ,
>
> Message-ID: <000a01c90895$b8bad0d0$6101a8c0@D4LGPQ11>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Well, I have it....but some may not. And once you find
> this William he's the only one there is which may save
> someone the extra searching.
>
> Sharp eyeball there, Sue, not many find this one and I
> certainly would not have thought to look for it if I
> wasn't
> living in KY.
>
> Maynard
>
>> Do we have this already?
>
> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/REvlist.asp
>
> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/Revdetail.asp?Type=v&warrant=1878.2
>
> Sue





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[POYTHRESS] Poythress KY RevWar land warrants sb listedBarbara NealSue,
Thanks so much for alerting us to these. I'm trying to catch up on
tons of emails that came in while we were on a 7-week vacation, and am
thrilled with all the Poythress info that's been flowing in my
absence. It'll take me a while to actually get thru reviewing all of
it.

In answer to your question about Bethal Academy, I suspect that the
Francis Poythress who was a trustee (with others) would've been the
Methodist Preacher Francis Poythress, who moved to KY to live with his
sister (whose name I forget). If you have the names of the other
trustees (or perhaps they're included in one of the following records
you listed below?) then that will likely better help pin down more of
his relatives & neighbors.
Thanks,
Barbara

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 6:49 AM, s b wrote:
>
> There were a few others too for those that might want them.
> 1668.0 william
> 1669.0
> 1971.0
> 3543.0 francis poythruss
> 3551.0
> 3553.0
> 3552.0
> Anyone heard of bethal academy? Francis and others were trustees
>
>
>>
>> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/REvlist.asp
>>
>> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/Revdetail.asp?Type=v&warrant=1878.2
>>
>> Sue
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:39:08 -0400
>> From: "John M. Poythress"
>>
>> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] info from rss
>> To: ,
>>
>> Message-ID: <000a01c90895$b8bad0d0$6101a8c0@D4LGPQ11>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Well, I have it....but some may not. And once you find
>> this William he's the only one there is which may save
>> someone the extra searching.
>>
>> Sharp eyeball there, Sue, not many find this one and I
>> certainly would not have thought to look for it if I
>> wasn't
>> living in KY.
>>
>> Maynard
>>
>>> Do we have this already?
>>
>> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/REvlist.asp
>>
>> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/Revdetail.asp?Type=v&warrant=1878.2
>>
>> Sue
>
>
>
>
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>		08/29/2008 1:52:26
Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 68s bHi Maynard,

I took a quick look and couldn't find it either. I was scrolling down long lists of numbers and names somewhere on that site. I will look for them again when I have a block of time and give the area they are listed under.

Sue

>
> There were a few others too for those that might want them.
> 1668.0 william
> 1669.0
> 1971.0
> 3543.0 francis poythruss
> 3551.0
> 3553.0
> 3552.0
> Anyone heard of bethal academy? Francis and others were
> trustees
>
>
> >
> >
> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/REvlist.asp
> >
> >
> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/Revdetail.asp?Type=v&warrant=1878.2
> >
> > Sue
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:39:08 -0400
> > From: "John M. Poythress"
> >
> > Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] info from rss
> > To: ,
> >
> > Message-ID:
> <000a01c90895$b8bad0d0$6101a8c0@D4LGPQ11>

> >
> >
> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/REvlist.asp
> >
> >
> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/Revdetail.asp?Type=v&warrant=1878.2
> >
> > Sue
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:03:39 -0400
> From: "John M. Poythress"
>
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 67
> To: ,
>
> Message-ID: <000001c90951$8c4f7bb0$6101a8c0@D4LGPQ11>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Sue, you have obviously found something I have totally
> missed. I plug into the military
> warrants the numbers you show below
> and they are all total strangers. 1668.0, for example, is a
> warrant for a Robert Hart, 1669.0 is Austin Lawless, etc.
> etc.
>
> What am I missing? Thanks. Maynard
>
>		08/29/2008 2:55:18
Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 68s b>
> There were a few others too for those that might want them.
> 1668.0 william
> 1669.0
> 1971.0
> 3543.0 francis poythruss
> 3551.0
> 3553.0
> 3552.0
> Anyone heard of bethal academy? Francis and others were
> trustees
>
Not sure this will work but
http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/patentseries/vaandokpatents/Default.aspx
http://landofficeimages.kysos.com/landofficeimages/jukeboximage.aspx?DocDb=OLD%20KENTUCKY%20WARRANTS&DocTitle=OK%203543.0&Title=OK%203543.0&page=1 (this is one page of 3543)

It is under patent series

then maybe county court orders
http://landofficeimages.kysos.com/landofficeimages/jukeboximage.aspx?DocDb=OLD%20KENTUCKY%20WARRANTS&DocTitle=OK%203543.0&Title=OK%203543.0&page=1

Anyway (can you tell I am bad at this?)
the top of the page shows

Kentucky Secretary of State> Kentucky Land office> Non Military Registers & Land Records> Virginia and Old Kentucky Patent Series
I hope this helps

Sue		08/29/2008 5:01:21
[POYTHRESS] KY RevWar & POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 69Barbara NealThanks so much Sue, and thanks for the further help on finding them, too.
Barbara

On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 7:04 AM, s b wrote:
> Welcome Home Barbara!
>
> There are names on the papers. I will try to read them, but someone else better at this should take a look too.
>
> Surveyed for the Trustees of Bethel Accademy Francis Poythress,
> John Hobler(?), Nathaniel Harris, Barnabus McHenry, James Crowher(?),
> James Howard, John Metcalf(?), Richard Maythoryjon(?) and Thane Successors
>
>
> The others may have more, but that is what 3543 has.
>
> Sue
>
>
>
>> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/REvlist.asp
>> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/patentseries/vaandokpatents/Default.aspx
>> http://landofficeimages.kysos.com/landofficeimages/jukeboximage.aspx?DocDb=OLD%20KENTUCKY%20WARRANTS&DocTitle=OK%203543.0&Title=OK%203543.0&page=1
>> (this is one page of 3543)
>>
>> It is under patent series
>>
>> then maybe county court orders
>> http://landofficeimages.kysos.com/landofficeimages/jukeboximage.aspx?DocDb=OLD%20KENTUCKY%20WARRANTS&DocTitle=OK%203543.0&Title=OK%203543.0&page=1
>>
>> Anyway (can you tell I am bad at this?)
>> the top of the page shows
>>
>> Kentucky Secretary of State> Kentucky Land office>
>> Non Military Registers & Land Records> Virginia and
>> Old Kentucky Patent Series
>> I hope this helps
>>
>> Sue
>>
>>
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:52:26 -0600
>> From: "Barbara Neal"
>>
>>
>> Sue,
>> Thanks so much for alerting us to these. I'm trying to
>> catch up on
>> tons of emails that came in while we were on a 7-week
>> vacation, and am
>> thrilled with all the Poythress info that's been
>> flowing in my
>> absence. It'll take me a while to actually get thru
>> reviewing all of
>> it.
>>
>> In answer to your question about Bethal Academy, I suspect
>> that the
>> Francis Poythress who was a trustee (with others)
>> would've been the
>> Methodist Preacher Francis Poythress, who moved to KY to
>> live with his
>> sister (whose name I forget). If you have the names of the
>> other
>> trustees (or perhaps they're included in one of the
>> following records
>> you listed below?) then that will likely better help pin
>> down more of
>> his relatives & neighbors.
>> Thanks,
>> Barbara
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 6:49 AM, s b
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > There were a few others too for those that might want
>> them.
>> > 1668.0 william
>> > 1669.0
>> > 1971.0
>> > 3543.0 francis poythruss
>> > 3551.0
>> > 3553.0
>> > 3552.0
>> > Anyone heard of bethal academy? Francis and others
>> were trustees
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
>
>
>
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>		08/30/2008 3:49:30
Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 69s bWelcome Home Barbara!

There are names on the papers. I will try to read them, but someone else better at this should take a look too.

Surveyed for the Trustees of Bethel Accademy Francis Poythress,
John Hobler(?), Nathaniel Harris, Barnabus McHenry, James Crowher(?),
James Howard, John Metcalf(?), Richard Maythoryjon(?) and Thane Successors


The others may have more, but that is what 3543 has.

Sue



> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/military/revwar/REvlist.asp
> http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/patentseries/vaandokpatents/Default.aspx
> http://landofficeimages.kysos.com/landofficeimages/jukeboximage.aspx?DocDb=OLD%20KENTUCKY%20WARRANTS&DocTitle=OK%203543.0&Title=OK%203543.0&page=1
> (this is one page of 3543)
>
> It is under patent series
>
> then maybe county court orders
> http://landofficeimages.kysos.com/landofficeimages/jukeboximage.aspx?DocDb=OLD%20KENTUCKY%20WARRANTS&DocTitle=OK%203543.0&Title=OK%203543.0&page=1
>
> Anyway (can you tell I am bad at this?)
> the top of the page shows
>
> Kentucky Secretary of State> Kentucky Land office>
> Non Military Registers & Land Records> Virginia and
> Old Kentucky Patent Series
> I hope this helps
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:52:26 -0600
> From: "Barbara Neal"
>
>
> Sue,
> Thanks so much for alerting us to these. I'm trying to
> catch up on
> tons of emails that came in while we were on a 7-week
> vacation, and am
> thrilled with all the Poythress info that's been
> flowing in my
> absence. It'll take me a while to actually get thru
> reviewing all of
> it.
>
> In answer to your question about Bethal Academy, I suspect
> that the
> Francis Poythress who was a trustee (with others)
> would've been the
> Methodist Preacher Francis Poythress, who moved to KY to
> live with his
> sister (whose name I forget). If you have the names of the
> other
> trustees (or perhaps they're included in one of the
> following records
> you listed below?) then that will likely better help pin
> down more of
> his relatives & neighbors.
> Thanks,
> Barbara
>
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 6:49 AM, s b
> wrote:
> >
> > There were a few others too for those that might want
> them.
> > 1668.0 william
> > 1669.0
> > 1971.0
> > 3543.0 francis poythruss
> > 3551.0
> > 3553.0
> > 3552.0
> > Anyone heard of bethal academy? Francis and others
> were trustees
> >
> >
> >		08/30/2008 12:04:05
[POYTHRESS] Joseph Eugene PoythressNancy Poythress*This message will hopefully be read by Bud Poythress. Maynard Poythress
emailed that I might contact him through this address. I am Nancy
Poythress, wife of Earl Poythress. My friend and I were walking through the
Marietta National Cemetery over the 4th of July and we came upon the
gravesite of Joseph Eugene Poythress, Jr. It just seemed so right that I
find out about this hero so I went to the books and found this information
on him. I felt someone should honor his memory. Joseph Eugene Poythress,
Jr., born 2 Oct 1918, death 13 Nov 1942, Interment date 27 Feb 1948, Buried
at Section G Site 8306-B, Marietta National Cemetery, c/o Georgia National
Cemetery, 2025 Mount Carmel Church Lane, Canton, GA 30114, Gunner's mate 2nd
CL US Navy World War II. I went to the US Navy deaths and found his write
up that he was killed in action. This cemetery does a wonderful
presentation by placing an American flag on each site every year. Very
powerful to see. I am really just sending this email to say that I felt
honored to have found Joseph Eugene's gravesite and now am so happy to
discover from Maynard that he has family that remembers him and his selfless
act for his Country. I understand that you also were in the Navy and may I
add my appreciation for your service for the USA.*

*Warmest regards,*
*Nancy Poythress*		09/01/2008 7:02:11
[POYTHRESS] FW: Genealogy by DiscriminationJohn M. Poythress_____

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To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Genealogy by Discrimination



The word "discrimination" has always been a a word of questionable utility. It is an
explosive word and generates a nervous response in almost everybody. So how can I
recommend genealogy by discrimination?

Did I ever tell you that I have a whole shelf of dictionaries and thesauri? I do, for a
reason. I am a genealogist and I recognize word power in understanding records and their
legal base. And in the interest of clarity for this discussion, I looked up the word
"discrimination."

The first definition is prejudice, bias, treat unfairly, chauvinism. This is often the
reason that persons are mentioned in the records-negatively identified and treated with
disdain.

The second definition however, is distinguish, differentiate, discerning, tell the
difference. The second definition is the positive quality and, in my opinion, one of the
important elements of evidence.

Our biggest challenge in genealogy is identity.

We sort and compare. We describe with dates and places and relationships and matches in
repeated patterns. In Virginia ancestry, linking identity from one place to another is
often where the difficulty lies-is the person on the ship and listed as an early settler
the same person, who 50 years later dies in a county far away from where the the ship
landed?

Recall that Virginia received thousands of settlers who died before they could migrate
somewhere else. And proving the same identity is a challenge. It prompted William
Thorndale, a Virginia genealogy scholar, to conclude that less than 5% of those who
settled in Virginia could be linked positively with an ancestral home in England. He now
spends his whole research time studying these early settlers to prove their identity and
link them to their origins.

Discrimination is Genealogy Evidence

The Loudon County VA Tithables, 1749 includes some significant evidence of identity:

Awbrey, Thos Vestryman

Awbrey, Hen 1 Papist

Ashford, Jno 1 Papist

Ashford, Mich Papist

Ashford, Wil Papist

Anderson, Jas Presbyterian

Booth, Jno Quaker

Brown, Hen Quaker

Brown, Wm Quaker

Brown, Jno Quaker

Bryan, Phil Papist

Bivin, Ja Papist

Barnet, Jno Quaker

Beasley, Wm Anabaptist

Barry, Wido 1 a Papist

An officer in the Church of England, 7 Papists (Roman Catholics), 1 Presbyterian, 5
Quakers, and 1 Anabaptist (refused to swear an oath). Others in the list (not named here)
are members of the established Church of England. These designations are
discriminatory-distinguishing among those named in the list. They alert the taxman how
much tax to collect from non-Church of England residents: Papists always paid double in
times of peace and triple or four-times the rate in war time. Protestant non-Conformists
were charged at the need of the parish-and almost always below the Roman Catholics.

In 1749, it was against the law to be Roman Catholic. The Acts of Toleration protected
Protestant non-Conformists. They were not illegal; they were "at will" for many events and
functions in their daily lives.

Knowing the Ashfords were Roman Catholic, tips you off-to document these ancestors, you
need to search a different set of records. Subject to the Penal Laws, they will not own
land, vote in local or state elections, hold religious meetings (called conventicles) in
their own homes with more than 6 adults present, nor travel farther than 6 miles in any
direction from their homes without permission.

They will appear in lists at each court session, on "police" registers for any infraction
of the law, and on special rate lists-for they could also be taxed at will when the
treasury needed a boost. They often serve in the local and state military units and may
even be recruited by English or Irish regiments-where their movements were unlimited.

And now you know in which church records to find them. And you know why they do not appear
in several key record categories!

These legal limitations were removed when the new Virginia constitution was approved in
the early 1780's-many years earlier than in England, who emancipated the Catholics in
1829. Your favorite Virginia genealogist, Arlene Eakle. http://www.arleneeakle.com

PS Stay tuned. Native Americans and Blacks are also identified by discrimination. And that
is the subject of another Virginia Genealogy Blog.

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font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} Permelia and Sarah Poythress and German Dodd mystery.

I’ve been researching the parents of Permelia Susan Redmon, wife of George Washington Poythress and sister-in-law of Sarah A. V. Poythress (who marries German Dodd Redman) and have the following information and theory. I would love to hear what other folks interested in this line think! Thanks,

Nicole Graysmith

Marriage Licenses:

Permelia Susan Redmon to George Washington Poythress on May 13, 1861 in Granville County, North Carolina.

Sarah A. V. Poythress to German Dodd Redman on January 24, 1856 in Meckenberg Co., Virginia. Record is Book 1, Page 5 of Mecklenburg Co Virginia records. German Redman is listed as a widower from Charlotte Co. VA, son of Collier and Ann Redmon.

Death Certificates:

Permelia Susan Poythress
Died: 10 Sep 1916 in Chapel Hill, Orange County, NC
Gender: Female Race: White Age: 70
Birth Date: 30 Dec 1845 in Virginia,
Father's Name: German Redman
Mother's Name: Permelia Sisen

Nettie Redman Tingen
Died: February 5, 1959 in Greensboro, Guilford County, NC
Gender: Female Race: White Age: 86
Birth Date: 29 Jan 1873 Birth Place: North Carolina
Spouse's Name: Jake Tingen
Father's Name: German Redman
Mother's Name: Elsie Slaughter

Mrs. Martha Elizabeth Luck
Died: 31 May 1926 in Walstonburg, Greene County, North Carolina
Gender: Female Race: White Age: 64
Birth Date: 28 Jan 1862 in Person, North Carolina, United States
Spouse's Name: R D Luck
Father's Name: Germ. Dee Redman
Mother's Name: Annie Poythress

Elsie Redman

Died 27 Jun 1926 in Jalong, Roxboro, Person County, NC
Female Race: White Age: 80
Birth Date: 14 Jul 1845 in Person, North Carolina, United States
Spouse's Name: none listed – just says widowed
Father's Name: Jacob L Slaughter
Mother's Name: Elsie Slaughter

Census Records:

1880 US Census

Allensville, Person, North Carolina


Roll: T9_977; Family History Film: 1254977; Page: 202.2000; Enumeration District: 206; Image: 0409:
Redman, German D.
62
M

farmer
VA
VA
VA
Allice or Allica
32
F
Wife
Keeping house
NC
NC
NC
Martha E.
18
F
Daughter
Domestic…???? (can’t read)
NC
VA
VA
Robert
15
M
Son
Farm laborer
NC
VA
VA
Nannie
12
F
Daughter
Works on farm and out D’s
NC
VA
VA
Roxanne
6
F
Daughter
At Home
NC
VA
NC
Eugene Armetta
4
F
Daughter
At Home
NC
VA
NC
Logan
1
M
Son
At Home
NC
VA
NC
Richard Tuck
20
M
None
Labors on Farm
VA
VA
VA

1870 US Census

Allensville, Person, North Carolina

Roll: M593_1154; Page: 551; Image: 450.
Redman, German
53
M
farmer
VA
Frances
20
F
Keeping house
VA
William
16
M
Farm laborer
VA
Georgia
12
F
At home
VA
Thos. E. (sp?)
9
M
At home
NC
Martha E.
8
F
At home
NC
James R.
7
M
At home
NC
Nancy S.
2
F
At home
NC
Note: on same page as German Redman family, there are a number of Slaughters, although I did not see a 22 year old female.

1860 US Census

Goshen, Granville, North Carolina;

Roll: M653_898; Page: 235; Image: 471.
Redman, German
44
M
farmer
VA
Ann
24
F

VA
Catherine (sp?)
18
F

VA
John
15
M

VA
Susan
13
F

VA
Frances
12
F

VA
William
6
M

VA
Anna
2
F

VA
Thomas
2/12
M

NC

1850 US Census

Regiment 22, Mecklenburg, Virginia
Roll: M432_960; Page: 139; Image: 276.
Redman, German
25
M
Overseer
VA
June
25
F

VA
Catherine
8
F

VA
Tyler
6
M

VA
Susan
4
F

VA
Mary
1
F

VA




Based on these records, here is my theory.
Theory:

German Redmon, born around 1815, marries:

1. June Unknown around 1840 and has:
a. Catherine (1842)
b. John Tyler or Tyler John (1844)
c. Susan (Permelia Susan) (1845) who later marries George Washington Poythress
d. Mary Frances or Frances Mary (1849)
e. William (1854) (possible that this is Sarah Ann Poythress’ son if census dates are a bit off)
June dies between 1851 and 1856.

2. Sarah Ann Poythress in 1856 and has:
a. Georgia/Ann (1858)
b. Thomas (1860)
c. Martha Elizabeth (1862)
d. James Robert (1865)
e. Nancy S. (1868)

3. Elsie/Allice Slaughter before 1874 and has:
a. Roxanne (1874)
b. Eugene (1876)
c. Logan (1879)

Theory assumes the following history records are incorrect: (1) Death Certificate of Permelia Susan Poythress lists her mother as “Permelia Sisen.” My theory is that whomever filled it out didn’t know the name of her mother. and (2)
· 1850 Census records list the age of German Redman as 25 – I think this should be 35.

Anyone have information to refute or support this theory? Thanks,

Nicole		09/10/2008 11:24:16
[POYTHRESS] FW: VA-SOUTHSIDE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 94John M. Poythress-----Original Message-----
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Subject: VA-SOUTHSIDE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 94



Today's Topics:

1. Warwick, Va., 1783 Personal (Yvonne and Steve)


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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:51:27 -0400
From: "Yvonne and Steve"
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Our newest free sample is the 1783 Warwick Personal Property Tax Lists. You
can access these new free samples at:

http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/FreeSampleIndex.htm

There are 9 images. All the images total about 8 mbs. Have fun.

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[POYTHRESS] Charlotte Reed PoythressJulie CabittoHi everyone. I finally remembered today to call Hollywood Cemetery, during business hours 🙂
I called to ask about Catherine Reed Poythress. I asked if she was in the Confederate section because she was listed in the Confederate Citizens papers as a nurse at Chimborazo. (? sp) The office said Catherine is in a family plot, section 20, lot #5. The lady is mailing me a map of the cemetery, and I'll go out soon to take pictures of the family plot. It'll probably be a month before I can get there though.
I asked about Charlotte's husband and said he died in battle, but at sea, but he was an officer. I asked if there was a marker for him. She said she did not have a listing for him in the Confederate section and usually if they died at sea, they were buried by the sea. So I'll have to see if Charlotte had a stone erected for him in their family plot.
I'll let you know when I find out.
Thanks,
Julie Cabitto		09/15/2008 3:24:39
[POYTHRESS] Power LossJohn M. PoythressIt's 1 PM 9/18 I have been offline since Sunday AM 9/14. The tail end of

hurricane Ike was meandering up the Ohio R. valley harmlessly as is usual

when a cold front started pushing it (or at least that's what the weather guy said).

The result was zero rain and gusting winds up to 75 MPH which pushed over a

ton of the typical junk trees (willows, wild cherry, locust, etc., the ones with

rootballs about the size of a soccer ball) into power lines and took out 300M

customers in Louisville and 600M in Cincinnati.



Compared to south Texas it's only a blip on the screen so nobody is particularly

complaining.



Making matters worse all the emergency crews were down in S. Texas and took

a couple of days to return. Plus, the damage was so widespread the various

power companies weren't able (or willing) to send crews to somebody else's

hot spot.



Ryder Cup begins in Louisville tomorrow with a TV audience claimed to be

600 million so you can easily imagine what part of town got rewired first..so

that was even more delay.



Anyway, my wires are back to normal even if there are still a hundred thousand

or so each in Louisville & Cincinnati out of biz.



If anybody sent one of the zillion emails I have stacked up I'll get around to

answering you ASAP.



Maynard		09/18/2008 7:10:42
[POYTHRESS] FW: VA-SOUTHSIDE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 95John M. PoythressThis one is a bit off of our track but I'm sending it along
since it's a freebie and maybe there's a chance one of us
will be interested.

Maynard

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Subject: VA-SOUTHSIDE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 95



Today's Topics:

1. Warwick, Va., 1861 Personal (Yvonne and Steve)


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This free sample is a special request. We were asked if we had any list of
individuals that lived in Warwick County at the start of the Civil War. At
the time we did not have anything. Since then we have scanned the Warwick
County Personal Property Tax Lists 1782-1861. The 1861 tax list is the best
we can do as related to the special request.

Our newest free sample is the 1861 Warwick Personal Property Tax List. You
can access these new free samples at:

http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/FreeSampleIndex.htm

There are 19 images. All the images total about 29 mbs. Have fun.

Steve and Bunny

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[POYTHRESS] FW: Finishing, Adding to, Expanding, Revizing, Correcting, and Updating the Genealogy Work Left to USJohn M. Poythress_____

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Subject: Finishing, Adding to, Expanding, Revizing, Correcting, and Updating the Genealogy
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For many of the seminars I spoke about or exhibited my own work, I was the house guest of
local genealogists. And most of the time, the spare bed was in the same room where those
persons housed their own genealogy collections: libraries of books, looseleaf binders
with their notes and pedigrees, copies of their computer printouts, photocopies of
documents, and genealogies compiled by others.

What happens to these collections when the genealogist dies or is no longer able to pursue
their genealogy?

Henrico County Virginia Land Patent Abstracts with Some Plat Maps, Volume 1: Land Patents
and Grants Abstracted by Bert Mayes, dec'd and Selena Du Lac. Maps drawn by Selena Du
Lac. 2004. Available from Selena Du Lac, 3020 Winterhaven Dr., Lake Havasu City AZ
86404. "Winner of the Don Mosher Memorial Award."

This book caught my eye on the bookshelf at the Family History Library as I whizzed by to
some other county. I pulled it from the shelf and looked at the Introduction:

Most of the patents contained in this book were transcribed by Bertram (Bert) Leonidas
Mayes who was born in 1927 and died in 1998. Bert was a second generation genealogist and
following in his father's footsteps, did much Virginia research. He left behind a legacy
when he left his documented research which not only covered his Mayes and allied families
by the neighbors of his ancestors. I never had the opportunity to meet my distant cousin
Bert, but we corresponded several times about genealogy, and I appreciate all of his many
years of research.

During the summer of 2001, I had the priviledge of helping to catalogue Bert's research
and I felt that much of it needed to be published and shared with other researchers and it
is thru the Don Mosher Virginia Award that this first publication is possible. I want to
thank Merrill Mosher and the committee who chose this work, for this award, and for the
confidence, which they entrusted in me.

Henrico County was the scene of the second settlement in the colony of Virginia and was
established in 1634 as one of its eight original shires. Its boundaries incorporated an
area from which ten Virginia counties were later formed in whole or in part, as well as
the cities of Richmond, Charlotesville, and Colonial Heights.

The maps contained in this volume were made using a mapping program and then I added the
waterways, so these are my interpretations, as I saw them, and not guaranteed to be 100%
accurate.

Ms Du Lac has given us a wonderful service by making these abstracts available and mapping
as many of them as she did. In the mapping process, errors appeared and she corrected
them. Additional names discovered, she also added.

Then I read the Preface:

Bert Mayes died suddenly and unexpectedly in early 1998, leaving behind a genealogical and
historical archive containing more than 10,000 pages of materials-mostly patent and deed
abstracts and maps from forty-plus Virginia counties and more than a dozen states.

Negotiations are underway to arrange for organizing and indexing the entire Bert Mayes
archive to make it available to the public in an appropriate facility. It is also hoped
that many more of his abstracts and maps can be published, increasing their availability.

But is is to MS DuLac to whom all credit is due for getting this excellent volume
published. Joseph Barron Chandler, Jr., Washington DC, 27 May 2004.

This volume includes all the Henrico patents through 1719. With a complete, every-name
index. And we can add it to our arsenal of Virginia resources, with the expectation that
these updates, corrections, additions, etc. to the already valuable and much-used shelves
of Virginia property records will lead us to pedigree proofs and extensions. Many thanks,
from your favorite Virginia genealogist, Arlene Eakle http:www.arleneeakle.com

PS I invite all my readers to look around you for other unfinished genealogy work that
needs assistance. Look around, identify the work, consider what you can do to help
complete it and make it available to the rest of us. Since we never run out of genealogy,
we never run out of the need for resources and indexes and maps.

PPS And many thanks to Merrill Mosher.

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09/18/2008 8:27:47
[POYTHRESS] Anne Poythress witness to Robert Hicks WillPaul MurauskasReference:  Chapter 12 - Poythress Family - www.poythress.net/lpoole.html
 
Marriage of Anne Poythress to John Wall
 
An Anne Poythress witnessed the will of Robert Hicks, Sr., 6 March 1738.  The author of "Chapter 12 Poythress Family" shows Ann Poythress' birth about 1725.
 
I do not think a 13 year old would be a witness to a will in Virginia.
 
The above mentioned Ann was most likely of age and could have been a Poythress through marriage and not single.
 
Please send your thoughts to the below email address.
 
Paul Murauskas
pmurauskas@msn.com		09/19/2008 4:05:09
Re: [POYTHRESS] Charlotte Reed PoythressBarbara NealThanks, Julie, for reaching Hollywood Cemetery & for the info. Will
look forward to what you learn later when you have the opportunity to
check out the plot. Hopefully the lady at the cemetery will also fill
you in on what the office records show for everyone else in the same
family plot, since not all of them will necessarily have markers.

Thanks again, Barbara

On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Julie Cabitto wrote:
> Hi everyone. I finally remembered today to call Hollywood Cemetery, during business hours 🙂
> I called to ask about Catherine Reed Poythress. I asked if she was in the Confederate section because she was listed in the Confederate Citizens papers as a nurse at Chimborazo. (? sp) The office said Catherine is in a family plot, section 20, lot #5. The lady is mailing me a map of the cemetery, and I'll go out soon to take pictures of the family plot. It'll probably be a month before I can get there though.
> I asked about Charlotte's husband and said he died in battle, but at sea, but he was an officer. I asked if there was a marker for him. She said she did not have a listing for him in the Confederate section and usually if they died at sea, they were buried by the sea. So I'll have to see if Charlotte had a stone erected for him in their family plot.
> I'll let you know when I find out.
> Thanks,
> Julie Cabitto
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Anne Poythress witness to Robert Hicks WillLou PooleSorry I'm so late in responding, but somehow Paul's message only
arrived in my inbox this morning. I'm the guilty party, i.e., the
author of that file. I have not looked over that information in quite
some time, so I've had to do a crash course in reviewing it, and have
noticed several problems in my dates while doing so (which I'll try to
clean up soon after I've completed this response).

First of all, Robert Hicks' will was made 6 March 1738. That date,
being before 1752, was in the "old" calendar system, so according to
our calendar today the correct date would be 1739. Second, and as a
matter of fact, I think it was legally possible for a girl as young as
13-14 to have witnessed a Virginia will in that time period, though
that would have been highly unusual and unlikely.

I've confused things quite a bit by including in the file various
dates for the birth of Ann Poythress who I theorized
married John Wall. I've estimated that Ann Poythress and John Wall
were married ca. 1740, and further estimated that she must have been
16 years old when she was married, hence a derived
estimation that she was born ca. 1724, or before. I further confused
things with my abbreviations in the chart I included at the beginning
of the file in which I attempted to show the leading two candidates
for this Ann: the "b1724" and "b1739" in the chart were intended to
mean "(born) Before ___". John Poythress' will was made in 1724 and
he named a daughter Ann who obviously had to have been born Before
1724, and similarly Joshua Poythress' will was made in 1739 in which
he, too, named a daughter Ann. The fact is that no one knows when
either of these two Ann Poythresses were born, so the best that we can
do is to use the known facts to narrow down the estimate.

So where does that leave us?

1) As Paul observes it is possible that the Ann Poythress who
witnessed the will of Robert Hicks could have been a Poythress by
marriage. But if this was the case, then to whom was she married,
i.e., what Poythress was in the vicinity of Robert Hicks at that time?
I know of none except Peter Poythress, and he DID - I think - have a
wife named Ann/Anne. I have to honestly admit that I had never
thought of this possibility before, and today I have to think it is a
very real possibility that Ann, wife of Peter Poythress, was the one
who witnessed Robert Hicks' will. But I don't think Peter Poythress
ever resided in what is now Brunswick County. Complicating things, we
don't know when Peter Poythress died. One must ask the questions: a)
if Peter Poythress was still alive in 1739 why didn't he witness
Robert Hicks' will; or b), if Peter Poythress had died prior to 1739,
why would his (then somewhat elderly) widow Ann be in Brunswick
County?

2) John Poythress (will recorded 1724) and Joshua Poythress (will
dated Jan 1739/40) BOTH had daughters named Ann, who were obviously
born before these dates, and both were apparently unmarried when their
fathers' wills were made. How old they were on the date of their
fathers' wills is unknown. I have theorized that Ann, the daughter of
Joshua, is the one most likely to have married John Wall ca. 1740 in
Brunswick County, and who can be proved to have lived near the area
where Robert Hicks lived. Insofar as I know no one has claimed
knowledge of who Ann, daughter of John, married, if, indeed, she ever
married.

3) So... John Wall did marry an Ann Poythress ca. 1740 almost surely
in Brunswick County (since he & his father are known to have lived
there as early as 1732, if not before), i.e., this Ann Poythress must
have been living near John Wall prior to that time for him to have met
her. John Wall is known to have been closely associated with Robert
Hicks. AND Peter Poythress, who was also known to have been closely
associated with Robert Hicks, had a wife named Ann/Anne. I think good
arguments and rationalizations can be made for either one being the
Ann who witnessed Robert Hicks' will, but there is no known proof of
either case. Personally, and based on scanty evidence and logic at
this time, I still prefer to believe that the Ann Poythress who
witnessed Robert Hicks' will in 1739 was the Ann who married John
Wall, who I further believe was the daughter of Joshua Poythress. But
I can certainly be persuaded otherwise by further evidence of logic to
the contrary.

And that's my two-cents worth. The floor is now open to anyone else
with thoughts on the subject.

Lou Poole



-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Murauskas
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:05 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Anne Poythress witness to Robert Hicks Will

Reference:  Chapter 12 - Poythress Family -
www.poythress.net/lpoole.html
 
Marriage of Anne Poythress to John Wall
 
An Anne Poythress witnessed the will of Robert Hicks, Sr., 6 March
1738.  The author of "Chapter 12 Poythress Family" shows Ann
Poythress' birth about 1725.
 
I do not think a 13 year old would be a witness to a will in Virginia.
 
The above mentioned Ann was most likely of age and could have been a
Poythress through marriage and not single.
 
Please send your thoughts to the below email address.
 
Paul Murauskas
pmurauskas@msn.com




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quotes in the subject and the body of the message		09/26/2008 8:31:31
Re: [POYTHRESS] Power LossLyn BairdMaynard, glad to hear you weathered this surprise last hurrah of Ike. --Lyn


-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of John M. Poythress
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 1:11 PM
To: AA Poythress List
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Power Loss

It's 1 PM 9/18 I have been offline since Sunday AM 9/14. The tail end of

hurricane Ike was meandering up the Ohio R. valley harmlessly as is usual

when a cold front started pushing it (or at least that's what the weather
guy said).

The result was zero rain and gusting winds up to 75 MPH which pushed over a

ton of the typical junk trees (willows, wild cherry, locust, etc., the ones
with

rootballs about the size of a soccer ball) into power lines and took out
300M

customers in Louisville and 600M in Cincinnati.



Compared to south Texas it's only a blip on the screen so nobody is
particularly

complaining.



Making matters worse all the emergency crews were down in S. Texas and took

a couple of days to return. Plus, the damage was so widespread the various

power companies weren't able (or willing) to send crews to somebody else's

hot spot.



Ryder Cup begins in Louisville tomorrow with a TV audience claimed to be

600 million so you can easily imagine what part of town got rewired
first..so

that was even more delay.



Anyway, my wires are back to normal even if there are still a hundred
thousand

or so each in Louisville & Cincinnati out of biz.



If anybody sent one of the zillion emails I have stacked up I'll get around
to

answering you ASAP.



Maynard



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quotes in the subject and the body of the message		09/27/2008 8:00:20
[POYTHRESS] 1870 TX Mortality Census Poythress listingBarbara NealIn Panola County, TX the following woman is listed in Editor Ronald
Vern Jackson's Texas 1870 Mortality census: Poythrees (sic) Martha,
in May, with cause of death listed as "hives" No page number is given
for this 1870 Mortality Census listing. Panola County is in far
eastern Texas, just inside Texas from Shreveport, LA, and just south
of current-day I-20, which was likely a busy east-west route long
before it was made into an interstate.		10/01/2008 11:06:29
[POYTHRESS] 1870 TX Mortality Census Poythress listing correctedBarbara NealA correction to my original message sent just now. In a closer look
at the format of this listing, it appears this was a 1-month old
child, not a woman: In Panola County, TX listed in Editor Ronald
Vern Jackson's Texas 1870 Mortality census: Poythrees (sic) Martha,
in May, with cause of death listed as "hives"

No page number is given for this 1870 Mortality Census listing.
Panola County is in far eastern Texas, just inside Texas from
Shreveport, LA, and just south of current-day I-20, which was likely
a busy east-west route long before it was made into an interstate.		10/01/2008 11:21:02
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[POYTHRESS] Major George Poythress 2nd piece of land in Jackson Co, FLBarbara NealThanks to Alvie L. Davidson's 1989 book, "Florida Land: Records of
the Tallahassee and Newnansville General Land Office, 1825-1892" we
earlier knew about George Poythress having this piece of land in
Jackson Co, FL: (abbreviated as W 1/2 NE 1/4 Sec 35 T5N R10W)
Davidson's FL Land Records 1825-1892, p.158, notes that on 28 July
1827 the land from Application Number 1607 was transferred to George
Poythress, which land was originally listed for Wm. T. Kilbee, 25 May
1827, and which land is located "4 miles SW Greenwood, Jackson Co. W
1/2 NE 1/4 Sect. 35 Tp5 R10 N and W."

Today, I went thru that same book, page by page looking for something
else, and happened to notice that George had another piece of land.
Unfortunately, his name was NOT listed regarding this second piece of
land in the "P" portion of this surname-order book, so it was just
luck that I found this information. This was not due to the
misspellings of George's surname; this is not in the "P" section at
all.

This second piece of land in Jackson Co, FL again, is abbreviated as
NE 1/4 Sec 22 T5N R10W. Page 297 of Davidson's book actually lists
this land twice, perhaps because it went from the original person to
someone else before going to George?? I don't know why, but it shows
up as:

Application Number 245: Nathan Williamson - Dec. 30, 1826, 7 miles NE
Cottondale, Jackson Co. NE 1/4 Sect.33 Tp5 R10, north and west.
Transferred from N. Williamson to Jacob Robinson, Jan. 1, 1827.
Transferred from Jacob Robinson to George Paythrop (sic), Feb. 14,
1827.

Application Number 282: Nathan Williamson - Jan. 1, 1827, 4 miles N
Marianna, Jackson Co. NE 1/4 Sect. 22 Tp5 R10, north and west.
Transfers: Nathan Williamson to Major George Poythrop (sic), Feb. 1,
1827.

I note that the two directional-descriptions are both accurate. The
clincher is that both refer to the Northeast quarter of Section 22,
Township 5 North, Range 10 West. While this land is "7 miles NE of
Cottondale" it's mainly East of Cottondale, and only a little bit
North. It's more clear to refer to the land as 4 miles North of
Marianna.		10/24/2008 2:02:52
[POYTHRESS] 17 Jan 1739/1740 will of Joshua PoythressBarbara NealMaynard & all,
Below is a re-posting of a message I put on our Poythress List back on
3 Jun 2007, re-copied from our List's Archives, which is searchable on
specific words/dates/subject matter at

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop?list=POYTHRESS

Cheers,
Barbara Poythress Neal
BarbPoy.Neal@gmail.com

= = =
From: Barbara Neal
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Will of Joshua Poythress of PG Co, Va in Jan 1739/40
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:26:50 -0600

Back in Dec 2000 on our List, Lou Poole wrote (during a discussion we
were having about a 1741 court suit Poythress et al vs Harrison), that
he then only had a copy of the abstract of Joshua's will from Weisiger's
"Prince George County, Virginia, Records 1733-1792" p.174.

At that time, Lou further quoted from another book indicating that Mr.
Richard Dunn of Richmond, Va's had, in July 1952, given to the Archives
a copy of the will, dated 17 January 1739, of Joshua Poythress I of
Flower de Hundred which he had found among the papers of his late
father, Dr. William Wilcox Dunn (1870-1952) who was the last descendant
of Joshua Poythress to own Flower de Hundred.

While in Richmond last month for the NGS Conference, I examined that
copy of the will. Below is the transcription of the will, maintained by
the Library of Virginia as their Accession #23849.

Notes: Since this will was dated 17 Jan 1739 old style, or 17 Jan
1739/40, the testator died after 17 Jan 1739/40. In the left margin the
numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4 are written largely, in a manner unrelated to the
various Items of the will. It appears that those numbers were added
later by someone to clarify the order of the four sections of the paper
since the various sections either had already fallen apart at the fold
lines, or were in danger of doing so. The number "4" on the bottom
fourth of the page is written over a "3." The parenthetical markings are
actually straight vertical lines in the original document, unlike any
I've seen before.

My own clarifications are in square brackets. As noted at the bottom
here (and in Lou's earlier message), the labeling on the outside of the
document indicates that this particular handwritten copy of the will was
one made for a Chancery Court case.

Barbara Poythress Neal

= = =
In the name of God, Amen. January the Seventeenth, One thousand seven
hundred thirty nine. I Joshua Poythress of the Parish of Martins Brandon
in the County of Prince George [,] being sick and weak, by [sic; should
be "but"] in my perfect senses and memory (for which I glorify god) and
being willing to settle my affairs and dispose of my Estate do make
constitute and append this to be my last Will & Testament in [the?]
manner and form following Impremis.
["1" in left margin, though no paragraph break here in original] I
commit my Body to be decently [interred?] and my Soul into the hands of
my Almighty God, hoping for salvation & thro' the Merits of that
Immaculate Lamb my Savior Jesus Christ the Righteous.
Item [in left margin] I give and devise my Lands on which I now
live which I bought of Mrs. Elizabeth Duke & Capt. John Hardyman [,] to
my Sons Joshua Poythress & William [torn away is "Poy"]thress to be
equally divided between them when my Son William co["mes" is torn away]
["2" in left margin] to lawful Age & to their Heirs forever, & if either
of my said Sons dye [sic] be["fore" is torn away] they come to Age, then
I give and devise the whole Lands to the Survivor and to his Heirs forever.
Item [in left margin] I give and devise to my said two Sons and to
their Heirs for ever to be equally divided between them as afsd
[aforesaid] all my Land lying at Notaway in Surry County -- the Survivor
to take the whole if either of them dye before they come to lawful age.
Item 3 [in left margin] I give and devise to my said two Sons, and
to their Heirs forever my L["ands" worn away at the fold] which lye on
white Oak & Tom-heaton my Son Joshua to make Choice of the Tract of Land
which he best likes and my Son William To have the oth[er]
Item [in left margin] After the Decease of my Wife (to whose Use I
give all my Stock of Sheep [,] Cattle and Hogs) I direct that the said
Stocks be equally divided between my said Sons William and Joshua,
unless she Think proper to let them have them sooner.
Item [in left margin] I give to my Grandaughter Harwood fifty
Pounds to be paid her by my Executor when she comes to Age or is married.
Item [in left margin] I give to my Son Littlebury Twenty Shillings
my Intent and Will being that my two Sons Joshua & William shall
maintain and keep him during his life decently at their joint and equal
Exp["ense" is partly worn away at the fold].
Item [in left margin; below this word is where the "4" in the left
margin is written over another "3"] All the remainder of my Estate both
real and personal I give and devise to my loving Wife ["my loving" is
underlined] and my sons Joshua Poythress [,] William Poythress [,] and
to my Daughters Ann Poythress, Elizabeth Poythress, and Mary Poythress,
to be equally divided ["to be equally divided" is underlined] between
them when my son Joshua shall come to Age and to ["when my son Joshua
shall come to Age and to" is underlined] prevent all disputes and
Differences which may possibly arrise on such Division I do desire and
direct that my Brothers Robert Poythress [,] William Poythress & my
Friends and Relations, Richard Bland, Thomas Poythress and John Woodlief
or the Survivors of them make a Distribution & Division of The said &c
to be between my Wife & my said five Children. And I do order that no
Appraisem["ent" worn away at paper's edge] or Inventory be made of my
Estate.
[continued on back of top section of the sheet]
Item [in left margin] I revoke and make Null & void all Wills
heretofore by me made.
Item [in left margin] I constitute and appoint my Brother Robert
Poythress and my Cozen Thomas Poythress Executors of this my last Will
and Testament. In Witness whereof I have here unto set my hand & affixed
my Seal the Day and year first above written. Joshua Poythress Sealed
with black Wax
Signed sealed published
& closed in Presence of
Ann Bland
Christian Poythress
Richard Bland
= = =
[on the back of section 3 of the sheet is written the following two
labels, in two different handwritings, likely indicating that this
handwritten copy was one made for a Chancery Court case:]
Joshua Poythress Will [in same handwriting as the document itself]
[and the below 2nd label, in a larger handwriting, with a large "X"
to the left of the following label]
Wall
vs
Poythress		10/28/2008 1:18:52
[POYTHRESS] Joshua Poythress entryJohn M. Poythress15 Dec 1776-1779 (no specific date cited)

Faulcon & Company accounts of goods and freight shipped through Mt. Airy between 15 Dec
1776 and 1779 is recorded at the end of Surry County Order Book (1775-1785), LVA microfilm
roll # 32. The location of Mt. Airy is unknown but is likely to be on Faulcon property,
somewhere between the old town of Cobham (at the mouth of Gray's Creek) down the James
River to somewhere on Cobham bay. Entry: "Jshua Poythress was paid for freight of
tobacco." Source: Surry County webpage.





While we have had the above database entry all along, it was re-posted on the Surry County

webpage along with some other entries unrelated to us. The re-posting raised a couple of
items

for me, one a tie-in and the other a question.



Given the dates, this almost has to be Joshua RBB 211 1 (m. Elizabeth Robertson). I can't
recall

where it is recorded but it was stated that this Joshua made his living plying a packet
boat

between Petersburg, Glascow, and I can't remember the third city, maybe Liverpool,

his principle cargo, I suppose, would almost have to have been tobacco. Interesting that

those old boys didn't exactly sit at home and look out over the plantation.



While poking about the Joshua line, I was again reminded of your issue, Lou, with the 1739
will

of Joshua RBB 21. Your material says that the Ann Poythress/John Wall relationship was

hinted at by a notation on the back of the 1739 Joshua Poythress will. I guess it's just
now

dawning on me to ask the question: what happened to the "front" of the will...should I
assume

that only the notation remained (separated from the will itself) or is there a 1739 will
floating

around somewhere that we haven't recorded?



Maynard		10/28/2008 8:51:25
[POYTHRESS] FW: VA-SOUTHSIDE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 106John M. PoythressThis should be a winner for us. I'll look at it when I get
back in town Monday.

Maynard

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Today's Topics:

1. Mecklenburg, Va., 1782 Land A & B (BinnsGeno@aol.com)
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Our newest free sample is the 1782 Mecklenburg Land Tax Lists A and B. You
can access these new free samples at:

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There are 13 images. All the images total about 9 mbs. Have fun.

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This is what the Family History Library Catalog tells us about Bedford Co.,
VA.

Formed in 1753 from Lunenburg County. Parts of Albemarle and Lunenburg
counties were added later.

Unfortunately, for some of us researching VA Southside, a publishing company
called TLC Genealogy, formerly headquartered in Miami Beach, FL, has no
longer in business. They had some wonderful transcriptions/abstracts of
Lunenburg Co. and a good many other counties clustered near the North Carolina border.

I was hoping that a thriving publishing company would take over the
inventory etc. of TLC Genealogy.

I find a good many of my Granville Co., NC colonials had family members, and
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[POYTHRESS] http://rootstelevision.comJohn M. PoythressSome interesting stuff here.




11/12/2008 9:31:38
[POYTHRESS] Will of Thomas Eppes PoythressJohn M. PoythressWe have pieces of this ca 1847 will in the form of an abstract of a Circuit Court decision

printed in the William & Mary Quarterly. If we have a copy of the actual will I haven't

seen it.



The current database entry reads:



Thomas E. Poythress of Charles City County, death 1847

1847

>From Circuit Court, Charles City county. Poythress et als. v. Harrison:

Thomas E. Poythress, of Charles City County, died 1847. Will: Widow, Beersheba inherited
estate for life, and at her death goes to legatees: a brother, Joshua; nephew William P.
Poythress; niece Nancy G. D. Harrison; Thomas P. Harrison, an infant, and his sister,
Oceana, children of Braxton Harrison, dec'd. Camilla A. M. Harrison was Thomas P.
Harrison's guardian. He willed his watch to his friend and neighbor, Thos. H. Wilcox.
George Walker, Executor.

(Wm & Mary Quarterly, 2nd series, vol. _ , p. 130)



Notes from an "account of a family member now dec'd":

Issue of William and Mary Gilliam Poythress:

1. Joshua Poythress, m. Jane Angus

2. Thomas Eppes Poythress, m. Mrs. Harrison

3. William Poythress, died unmarried

4. Patrick Henry Poythress m. Elizabeth Eppes







I now discover that there is a fairly complicated "Part B" story to this court case which
was appealed to the Special Court of Appeals for Virginia. I am transcribing this below
for those who may wish to append it to the database entry for the 1847 will. I'm assuming
that this record is "new" for us.



Other than confirming three generations of Poythresses which we already knew, this

court of appeals case is more confirmational than important and indeed in some respects

is even fun to figure out and remark over some of the mysteries. I will append some

conversation at the end intended only as whimsy for the comment of any who might offer
further enlightenment or opinion.



This rascal grows HAIR!........



1855 (January term, Special Court of Appeals of Virginia



Richmond

POYTHRESS et als. v. HARRISON



Absent, Clopton, J. (He sat in the court below) [?]



A testator devises his whole estate to his wife for life, remainder to three nephews,

with a "condition annexed" to the estates of the remaindermen "that they are to

contribute equally to raise the sum of $1000 for Thomas P. Harrison, to be paid to

him at the death" of the widow. He also gives him a horse, bridle, and saddle, to be

received as soon as he completes his education; and a watch to be received at the

death of the testator. The will then proceeds, "but should he die before he receives

any or all of the legacies herein given him, then such as he may not have received"

are to go to his sister.



HELD: The legacy of $1000 is contingent upon Harrison's surviving his widow, on

failure of which it belongs to his sister. It is not, therefore, payable,
nor any

part of it, until the widow's death, though she renounces the will, and the

remaindermen receive a portion of their shares of the estate.



In 1847, Thomas E. [Eppes] Poythress died, leaving a will, by which he devised to

his wife, Beersheba, all his property for life. The will then proceeded as follows:

"Second, At the death of my wife, I give, and bequeath, and devise all my estate,

real, personal and mixed, to my brother Joshua Poythress, my nephew William P.

Poythress, and my niece Nancy G. D. Harrison, to be equally divided among them,

share and share alike, to them and their heirs forever, with this condition annexed -

they are to contribute equally to raise the sum of $1000 for Thos. P. Harrison, son

of Braxton Harrison, deceased, to be paid to him and his heirs forever. I also give

the said Thomas P. Harrison a horse of the value of sixty dollars, and my saddle and

bridle, to him and his heirs forever. This last bequest of a horse, saddle and bridle,

I wish him to have as soon as he completes his education. I also give him my silver

watch at my death; but should he die before he receives any or all of the legacies

herein, and in that event, I give such as he may not have received to his sister

Oceana Harrison, except the watch, which I give to my friend and neighbor, Thos. H.

Wilcox."



The will was duly recorded in Charles City county, (of which the testator was a

resident,) and shortly thereafter the said Beersheba appeared in court and renounced

the provision made for her in the will. In consequence of this, one-third of the negroes

and land of the testator were assigned to her and, the remaining two-thirds to the

legatees in remainder above named. The rest of the personal estate remained in the

hands of the executor, (George Walker,) to be thereafter distributed by him, (after

paying the debts of the estate,) one-half to the widow and the other half to the legatees.



In May, 1848, after these proceedings had been had, Thomas P. Harrison, above named,

who was an infant, filed a bill by his next friend, setting forth the matters above
stated,

and insisting, that it was evident the testator intended he should receive his legacy at
the

same time that the legatees in remainder received theirs; that according to the will, they

would not have received their interests until the death of the widow, but that inasmuch

as they, by the renunciation of the widow, had become entitled to receive, and had

actually received, the greater portion of their legacies, though the widow was still
alive,

he also was entitled to receive a like proportion of his. The bill, therefore, prayed
that

such proportion might be decreed to him, and that provision should be made for the

payment of the residue upon the death of the widow. The executor and the devisees in

remainder were made parties to the bill, and the former was required to say in his answer

whether he had sufficient funds in his hands to pay the legacy of $1,000 to the plaintiff.



The defendants answered - the executor stating that he had, as he believed, enough money

in his hands to pay the legacy, but that he was unwilling to bind himself by an

admission of assets, in the then state of his transactions as executor; and the other

defendants, stating that they were willing to secure the payment of the legacy at the

death of the widow, if Harrison were then living, denied his right to receive anything

until that time, first, because the will directed it to be then paid, and secondly,
because

the devise to him was contingent upon his surviving the widow, in failure of which the

property was to go to his sister Oceana.



On the hearing of the case, the court decreed that the legatees in remainder should pay to

Camilla A. M. Harrison, the legally qualified guardian of the infant plaintiff, the sum of

$666.66 2/3 , that being two-thirds of his legacy, and should secure the payment of the

remaining one-third at the death of the widow.



>From this decree the legatees appealed to this court.



Gholson & Jones, for the appellants, submitted the case on petition of appeal.

Nance, for the appellee.



FIELD, P. delivered the opinion of the court, in which all the judges concurred.



The court is of the opinion that the appellee, at the time of instituting his suit in the
Circuit Court,

was not entitled to recover the legacy of $1,000 bequeathed to him by Thomas E. Poythress,
for two

reasons: first, because the said legacy was not payable to him until after the death of
Mrs. Beersheba

Poythress, the testator's widow, although she had renounced the provision made for her in
her

husband's will; and secondly, because the said legacy, until after the death of Mrs.
Poythress, was

contingent, and if the appellee had died in her life-time it would have been payable to
his sister,

Oceana Harrison, as directed by the will. See Swope v. Thambers 2 Grat.319. Therefore,
it is

decreed and ordered, that the decree of the court below be reversed with costs. And the
court here,

proceeding to enter such decree as the court below should have entered, doth order the
said bill to be

dismissed with costs. But this decree is to be without prejudice to the right of the
appellee, in the

event of surviving Mrs. Beersheba Poythress, to institute a new suit for the recovery of
the same

legacy, &c.



Source: Reports of Cases Decided in the Special Court of Appeals of Virginia, January,

1855 Term, pp. 197-200.



MP's whimsy:



Funky punctuation above transcribed as rendered.



I suppose this is exhibit A on why not to write a complicated will.



Also, it appears to be a case somewhat brought under the old saw that attorneys will

continue to represent an angry plaintiff for just as long as he can pay the lawyer fees

regardless of the merits of his case. It's easy to see in retrospect but this one should

never have gone to court in the first place. The Charles City court "splits the baby"

and the appeals court throws the bill out on two pieces of logic that seem self-evident.



Beersheba Poythress died between May 1849 and May 1850. I suppose the appeals

court is required to "time-warp" themselves and hear the case in the 1855 session as if

the issues still existed as they did at the time of the orginal 1847 decision. Still, the
1855

issue became moot in the "real time" death of Beersheba Poythress; so why did they even go


forward with a costly appeal? I guess there must have been some reason, perhaps an angry

plaintiff unsatisfied with what the circuit court had given him.		11/14/2008 10:03:30
[POYTHRESS] Info re another Chancery Case and the Will of Thomas Eppes PoythressBarbara NealMaynard, thanks so much for the extensive & interesting info about the
court case and your further musings.

In our Poythress List archives, on 17 Feb 2006 was the below info
about this Thomas in a message that I posted. Deep in the message is
info about another provision in Thomas Eppes Poythress' will. You'll
also see in the message more info about him and about his wife,
including info about her maiden name and her earlier marriage, as well
as the exact date she was buried, & more. NOTE: I am cutting out
the info in the original 2006 email re Francis Poythress, here, for 2
reasons: 1. to shorten what's pasted here, and 2. because on Feb 19,
2006, I posted correcting info re what the book had to say about
Francis Poythress. Thus if anyone reading this is interested in seeing
the info about Francis, go to the Poythress message archives and see
the full 17 Feb 2006 message AND to see the correcting info, then
click on the message archives' links at the bottom of the message. Or
you could search on Francis, but that would give lots more hits.

I re-found this message by searching at our Poythress List Message
Archives (link for which is at our research website, poythress.net) --
for those not familiar with that website, at the top put your cursor
on "Message Archives" and then click on "Keyword Search Poythress
Message Archives." For this search, at the resulting screen, I
clicked on "Advanced Search" and at the resulting screen, I typed
"1847" in the space for "Body" and typed "poythress" in the space for
the "List" to be searched.

Note that at the bottom of this 2006 message is the info that "...
Chancery Court Records, Box 2, 1849 - 0018
'Thomas P. Harrison by next Friend vs Thomas E. Poythress et als' as
another source re the death of Thomas Poythress in 1847"

>From that mention, in conjunction with Maynard's info posted today, it
seems to me that at the Library of Virginia in that Chancery Court
Record, there should be a copy of Thomas Eppes Poythress' entire will,
as one of the exhibits in the case.

Barbara
= = =
Subject: Some Charles City Co, VA burials & burial sites
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:39:12 -0800

An excellent book is available, which those of you who have interest in
following various additional surnames might want to acquire: "80% Heaven
Bound: Deaths & Burials in Charles City County, Virginia" compiled by
Sherry Brown Tyler for the Charles City County Historical Society (570
pages, plus an almost 80 page index, all packed with info). I noted that
it was published in 2000, and the compiler noted that the Society in
1994 began recording all known burial sites in the county.

Tyler commented that work on the project won't be complete until all
deeds have been traced for every piece of land in the county, and
genealogies completed for every family, and until all opportunities for
error have been exhausted. She invited all to assist in the continuing
project by sending any additions/corrections (which she said can easily
be added to the computer file for the book) to the Charles City County
Center for Local History; P.O. Box 128; 10900 Courthouse Rd; Charles
City, VA 23030

Note: the following info is *not* listed in chronological order.

The first Poythress mention in the book is in describing a known burial
location, at St. Thomas Episcopal Church. The church was built in 1834
for the convenience of those living in the eastern part of the county.
The church is on a site of approximately 10 acres along a bank of
Mapsico Creek. The deed (Charles City County, VA Deed Book 8, p.156)
describing the site is where the Poythress name comes in: Collier H.
Minge conveyed to Fielding Lewis, Thomas Poythress and John Minge, for
the establishment of a church, a tract of land described as follows:
"...on the main road leading from Charles City Courthouse to Barrett's
Ferry and running along the line that divides the lands of said Minge
and the heirs of John Creighton, to the swamp and thence down the swamp
to the road leading to the house of the said Collier H. Minge, thence up
said road to the main road: & Thence up the Main road to the beginning,
upon which said piece or parcel of land, the said building for the
Church aforesaid is erected..."

= = =
The next mentions of our name occur regarding a private cemetery at
"Farmer's Rest," which is the name of the property owned (in 2000) by
Richard Duke, who farms both Farmer's Rest and Farmington. She wrote
that he remembers tombstones in what is now the middle of a field, near
the site where the house collapsed by 1965, and where in 2000 bricks and
wood were still visible. The house had a basement and chimneys at both
ends. Farmer's Rest in 1826 was mentioned in Braxton Harrison's deed of
trust. In the 1867 deed index Thomas P. Harrison was listed as owning
it. In identifying information about Braxton Harrison and Braxton
Harrison, the elder, both of whom are "Possibly buried here or at
'Kittewan'" Tyler quoted the following:

re Braxton Harrison, the elder, who died by 1823:
"Supreme Court of Appeals of Virginia, Feb 1831 - Lamb vs Harrison's
Admir &c: 20 Nov 1823, administrator Thomas Poythress, appointed;
Minute Book 1: 18 Dec 1823, order to settle account; 17 My 1827 court,
settlement returned & recorded for Braxton Harrison, the elder."

re Braxton Harrison, who was born circa 1803 and who died 15 Dec 1833:
"Richmond Enquirer, 28 Jan 1834, p.3: Braxton Harrison died at his
residence, 'Farmer's Rest' in Charles City County, age 30, leaving wife
and 5 children; Minute Book 2: 20 Feb 1834, administration of estate
granted Thomas E. Poythress."

= = =
The next mention of our name is regarding that same Thomas E. Poythress,
in the section discussing Kittewan. Kittewan has five known burial sites
within its boundaries. After discussion of Kittewan, Tyler writes that
"David Minge owned land in the area of what is now known as 'Kittewan.'
Part of Minge's land was also called 'Kittewan,' but doesn't seem to
have been that parcel on which the mansion called 'Kittewan' now stands.
The family connections are quite complicated, intertwining with those
who owned the property on which the old mansion house stands." She then
discusses Minge, and his widow, Christiana (about age 36 when he died),
who was named in his will to have use of what he left until his sons
came of age or until she remarried. Christiana indeed remarried, to
Collier Harrison. After Christiana died, Collier Harrison married
Barsheba Bryant (who lived 1787-1850). After Collier died in 1809,
Barsheba married Thomas E. Poythress, per Minute Book 1: 20 Nov 1823,
[Collier's] widow, Barsheba, married next Thomas E. Poythress and they
were guardians of orphans Braxton & Robert C. Harrison.

The following sources are given re that orphan, Robert C. Harrison (born
circa 1809; died 19th of ?? 1845)
- Westover Parish Register: buried at Kittewan, age 36, died of
consumption.
- Minute Book 3: 17 Apr 1845, his will was proved & recorded with
executor Thomas E. Poythress.

Tyler gives the following sources re Thomas E. Poythress (born circa
1802; died March 1847):
- "Westover Parish Register: buried at Kittewan - resident of 'The
Glebe'";
- "Leavell's Register: buried 25 Mar 1847 at Kittewan - died of
intemperance - resided at 'The Glebe'"
- "Will Book 5, p.35: will written 22 Mar 1847 and probated 15 Apr
1847;" Tyler noted that in his will he directed that the cemetery be
enclosed. [Tyler noted that it had earlier, in the 1790 will of
Elizabeth Harrison Rickman Edmonson, been requested that the cemetery be
enclosed by a brick wall. Tyler noted that it is not known whether
Thomas E. Poythress' 1847 will mentioned enclosing it because it had not
been done earlier, or whether it needed to be enclosed again.]
- "Reports of Cases Decided in the Supreme Court of Appeals of
Virginia, Held at Richmond" Vol. I, by John M. Patton, Jr. and Roscoe B.
Heath (The Michie Company: 24 Feb 1900), p.521: January Term, 1855:
Poythress et als Vs Harrison: Thomas E. Poythress death date given as
1847 with his will recorded in Charles City County and George Walker was
the executor."

Tyler gives the following sources re Mrs. Bersheba Poythress (born circa
1787; died Apr 1850):
- "Westover Parish Register: buried at Kittewan - relict of Col. Harrison"
- "Leavell's Register: Mrs. Bersheba Poythress, age 63 buried 19 Apr
1850 - residence, 'The Glebe' - quiet sufferer for years"
- "Will Book 5, p.182: will written 1 May 1849 and probated 18 Apr 1850"
- "Minute Book 4: 18 Apr 1850, will proved & recorded - Thomas E.
Willcox, executor"

Tyler also notes that the following may have been buried there at
Kittewan, too, based on their association with the above:
- Caroline Poythress (born circa 1816; died 1 Oct 1824) "Richmond
Enquirer, 8 Oct 1824, p.3: age 8 - eldest daughter of Capt. Thomas E.
Poythress of Charles City County"
- Ann Maria Poythress (born circa 1821; died 7 Jul 1832) "Richmond
Enquirer, 13 Jul 1832, p.3: died at Kittewan - age 11 - only child of
Capt. Thomas E. & B. Poythress"

= = =
Tyler noted the following deaths were known to have been by the Court
dates shown:

- Joshua Poythress, by the Jul 1741 Court date, "executors involved in
suit" (Court Minutes Book 1; Weisiger's transcription)

- James Johnson, by 16 Mar 1826 Court date, "orphan Camilla A. M.
chose as guardian Thomas Poythress" (Court Minutes Book 1; Weisiger's
transcription)

- William Poythress, by 18 Jun 1840 Court date, "mentioned as son of
Capt. Wm. S. Poythress" (Court Minutes Book 3, 1838-1847)

- Capt. William S. Poythress, by 18 Jun 1840 Court date, "certified
officer in Rev. War - died leaving 4 children certified as only heirs:
Thomas E.; Joshua; William (d. intestate, no issue); Patrick H." (Tyler
lists both Court Minutes Book 3, 1838-1847; and Francis B. Heitman's
"Historical Register of Officers of the Continental Army During the War
of the Revolution," Clearfield reprint, 1997, p.450: "A Wm. Poythress
was a 1st Lt. In the 1st Continental Artillery")

= = =
Tyler noted the following:
Chancery Court Records, Box 2, 1849 - 0018
Thomas P. Harrison by next Friend vs Thomas E. Poythress et als
as another source re the death of Thomas Poythress in 1847		11/14/2008 11:48:54
Re: [POYTHRESS] Lunenburg Tax RollLou PooleYep, and they were almost all related to my bunch. By this time, my
line of Pettipools had moved south of the NC-VA line below Halifax and
Mecklenburg Counties into Granville and Caswell Counties (and later
Person County). There were one heck of a lot of Pettipools, P'Pools,
P.Pools, and Pools in that neck of the woods who were all related.
But there were also a few real, bona-fide, always-were Pools who were
not related at all. It does get confusing when you try to sort them
out.

Lou

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Our newest free sample is the 1783 Lunenburg Personal Property Tax
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[POYTHRESS] Lunenburg Tax RollJohn M. PoythressLou...lots of Pools, Pettipools, etc. in here:



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Our newest free sample is the 1783 Lunenburg Personal Property Tax List. You can access
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_http://www.BinnsGenealogy.com/_ (http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/)		11/15/2008 10:01:16
[POYTHRESS] Genealogy & DNA studiesJohn M. PoythressThis month's issue of AARP The Magazine (p. 43ff) has a good basic explanatory

article on the topic. It's elementary so won't likely have much for us but it's a

good article for someone starting from scratch if you want to point someone to it.



Maynard		11/15/2008 10:50:47
[POYTHRESS] FW: VAJAMESC Digest, Vol 3, Issue 60John M. PoythressFor any who might be interested:

Subject: VAJAMESC Digest, Vol 3, Issue 60
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:45:12 -0600
From: Doris Christian

DMK Heritage ( my commercial site) has put up a "Free Small Books"
http://www.dmkheritage.com/store/
section and it includes:

Free Books In Gallery:
Marriage Bonds of Tryon County NC from
1769-1870.
Annals and Parish Register of St. Thomas - St.
Denis SC
Lunenburg County, Va. Wills 1746-1825
St. James Church, Goose Creek, SC 1706-1909
Frederick Parish, Va. 1744-1780, Churches,
Chapels, etc.
Friends Records of Births and Deaths, Cane
Creek, NC
Marriage Notices in SC & American General
Gazette
Chronicles of St. Mark?s Parish Santee Circuit
Williamsburg Township, SC.
History of Overton County, Tenn. by
Goodpasture.
Vestry of St. Matthew?s Parish, SC 1769-1838
History of Grandal Shoals (Cherokee & Union
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Reminiscences of Early Settlements & Settlers
of McNairy Co.,
Tenn. by Gen. Marcus Wright
Revolutionary Soldiers and Sailors for
Northampton Co., VA
French & Swiss Protestants in Charleston the
Santee, SC
Naturalization Records 1695-96
Virginia Wills Before 1799 by Wm. M. Clemens
Penn. Marriages Prior to 1799
History of Marion Co., W. VA. by Geo. A.
Dunnington
Historical Sketches of ?Old Burton Church?
Williamsburg, Va.
Scotch-Irish in America by Dinsmore		11/26/2008 10:51:12
Re: [POYTHRESS] PC-based genealogy programsBarbara NealThanks for the good wishes, Steve. Here's wishing you & yours a good new
year's celebration and a good 2009.

Any of the good genealogy programs these days handle GEDCOMs (contrary to
early years). I don't know how detailed Reunion handles things, and thus
what you would be accustomed to regarding for example inputting Sources for
various items of information. That could be one area to look at, as you
examine alternatives. Another thing to look at could be how long the
company has actually had the program -- for a while in the 1990s company
ownership changed so often for some companies that one just about needed an
ancestral chart to keep track of the companies "parenting" the new versions
of programs.

I have not used it personally, but I know that at FamilySearch.org their
program can be downloaded free: PAF or Personal Ancestral File. It has
been used by millions of people worldwide ever since computers began keeping
track of genealogy, since the Mormons have so long emphasized genealogy.
Likely the current version of PAF has features competitive with other good
programs.

Years ago, I used Family Tree Maker or FTM. I know others who use it now
and are quite satisfied with it; likely it has improved since I switched
away from it. It is fairly easy to use (or was when I used it & I presume
it still is). I left FTM because (1) I was frustrated by their frequency of
"upgrading" it, charging each time to do so; and (2) I was frustrated by
their method for citing Sources for my info, which was then inadequate for
the level of specificity and professionalism I wanted. At that time, one had
to lump everything about your sources of info into just one "Note" field for
a person; you could not, for example, clearly list the Sources regarding
someone's birth or death, for example. Likely at their website you could
download a free trial version with some limitation on either number of
persons one can enter, or a trial for a certain number of days, or whatever.

I have long used TMG (The Master Genealogist). I've been very impressed
with Bob Velke, the creator of it from the beginning (who has no intention
of selling it off to some big corporate purchaser) and very impressed with
the company's commitment to doing a great product and to quickly
trouble-shooting any glitches that occasionally occur. Their upgrades within
various levels (7.0 to 7.1 to 7.2 to 7.3, etc) have been free to registered
users, and major upgrades have been fairly-priced when upgrading a major
level (from level 6 to level 7, for example). The company is based in
Columbia, Maryland (not far outside DC) and they travel to the big genealogy
conferences to demonstrate the program in the vendor areas, and to conduct
computer labs as part of the course presentations. A 30-day trial version
is available free at their website: whollygenes.com

TMG has several options that may attract the interest of you and your wife,
some being a matter of personal preference, and some for ease of moving info
back & forth:

(1) the user can set it either to do things at a simpler level, or at a
more professional in-depth level. It has capabilities I've never tapped,
and some people have used some of the robust capabilities to even generate
very readable (and well-sourced) books since within the program one can
personalize the way sentences read in reports, etc.

(2) one can import info not only using GEDCOM, but also import info
directly from some other programs (not Reunion, but the list does include
Family Gathering; Family Origins; Family Tree Maker; Generations;
Legacy; and PAF or Personal Ancestral File).

(3) one can export info for others to use, by using various formats -- not
just GEDCOM (including ASCII text; ASCII delimited by either space, tab, or
comma; dif or Data Interchange Format; Lotus 1-2-3; Lotus Symphony;
Excel spreadsheet; sylk or Symbolic Link; and sdf System Data Format.

Hope this helps -
Barbara		12/29/2008 3:03:40
[POYTHRESS] Ploddy HouseJohn M. PoythressA Google Earth aerial view of present day Ploddy House shows buildings of considerable
size, large enough (as it is) to be a commercial farming operation

but not a very large one.



Googling Ploddy House says that it is today a business registered as "M. A. H. (Ploddy)
Ltd. and is a sole proprietorship, or at least consists of "private stock." There is a
phone number but no names.



Another Google listing takes one to Slater's 1852 "directory" of Newent. Listed in 1852
is a James Barnes of Ploddy House. Also listed is one John Cummins, Poydresses farm.



A sublisting on the above page leads to "directories" of Newent for the years

1784, 1822-3, 1837, 1868, and 1876. These additional entries have very interesting
comments about the town and surrounding villages but other than

a 1876 reference to a John Cummins (as above) there don't seem to be any likely Poytress
connections, suggesting perhaps that the descendents of John Poytress had moved on by
those dates.



All of the above suggesting once again that there is hardly any entry too obscure to gin
up some kind of information on Google.



Maynard		12/29/2008 9:49:49
[POYTHRESS] PC-based genealogy programsstevew602I hope everyone on the list has had a great holiday and is prepared for the New Year's celebration too.

I have a question for those of you who are PC-based. My wife is getting interested in her family (Borger) history and wants a genealogy program for her PC. I am a longtime Macintosh user and love Reunion as my genealogy program, but I know nothing about PC-based programs. Can anyone recommend one to me? I would need to transfer quite a bit of history from Reunion to her, so whatever she buys, so it should read GEDCOM or one of the export files.

Thanks,

Steve Wall



12/29/2008 10:23:05
[POYTHRESS] Binns Records availableJohn M. PoythressThe Binns family has graciously made the land and personal
tax records for certain years of certain counties free at
their website. Also are tithable lists for specific years
for specific counties. They may be accessed at the Binns'
web site (address below, scroll to the bottom at the Binns
site).

For those who have not used these records it is a blessing
that they are available at all; some are very legible, some
are not. Mercifully, many are alphabetized which saves some
amount of eye strain. Still, these records are very useful.
The Binns'es add to them from time to time and announce it
when they do; I subscribe to the VA-Southside website and will
forward the notices of additions when they are made.

Hope these are helpful to some of you.

Maynard




To anyone that uses our Tax List Censuses website:

We have finally completed the move of our Tax List Censuses website from the
Rootsweb servers to our own server. All indexes and the search engine now
work as they used to. There should be no more "Can't find the webpage"
messages that were present during our move. Happy New Year to all !!

Steve and Bunny

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01/03/2009 1:30:32
Re: [POYTHRESS] Will of Thomas Eppes PoythressBarbara NealMaynard & all,

Well, I see why we don't have a copy of the entire Will of Thomas Eppes
Poythress!

The will of Thomas Eppes Poythress,and numerous other related documents
including many pages of the account of sale of his estate, appear in Charles
City County, Virginia Will Book 5, which covers 1845-1860 which was
microfilmed many years ago. (By the way, their film #30,983 covers the
Index to wills and fiduciary accounts 1789-1954.)

Will Book 5 appears on Family History Library film #30,987, which was
microfilmed in 1954. The Will Book's pages are quite hard to read -- ink was
apparently scarce & watered down -- but thanks to guiding help from that
volume's internal index's "P" page, there are Poythress items throughout
Will Book 5, as listed below. (I think with his will being on such an early
page. p.35, in this book covering 1845-1860, it is likely the date of his
will could have been earlier than the "circa 1847" you had mentioned,
Maynard.)

- Poythress, Thos E. will: pp.35 (and it may continue to p.36 but it's so
illegible it's hard to know!)
- Poythress, Beersheba allotment of dower voided: p.76
- Poythress, Thos. E Inventory & appraisement: p.85
- Poythress, Thos. E Account of sales: pp.86-92
- Poythress, Thos. E Settlement of Estate: pp.121-122 and see below,
pp.192-194
- Poythress, Josh. to Walker refunding bond: 140 (note: George Walker was
Executor of Thos. E Poythress' will)
- Poythress, Wm. P to Sormes(?): p.141
- Poythress, Bersheba's will: p.182-183
- Poythress, Thos. E Settlement of Estate: pp.192-194
- Poythress, Bersheba's Exr to Poythress Thos E. Exr. Recpt: p.319
(apparently her Executor to his Executor, a receipt)
- Poythress, Bersheba Account of Sales: pp.349-352
- Poythress, Bersheba Inventory & appraisement: pp.353-354
- Poythress, Bersheba Receipts of Distribution to Thos H. Willcock: p.355 &
this could continue to the next one or two pages but the ink is so light,
it's hard to tell (Willcock is also spelled on p.355 "Willcox" and from what
I could make out, I think a Thomas P. Willcox, was Bersheba's Executor)

Will Book 5 also had numerous Harrison documents (for which I did not have
time to try to determine all the names & pages in my brief visit, when I was
able to look at this film), some of which were recorded on nearby pages to
some of the above Poythress pages, and some of which involved Oceana
Harrison, Thomas P. Harrison, & Camilla Harrison (mentioned in Maynard's
recap of the legal suit over Thos E Poythress' will provisions).

I hope this Family History Library film #30,987 is one of the ones they'll
be re-filming using digital technology for hopefully improved readability!!

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:03 PM, John M. Poythress wrote:

> We have pieces of this ca 1847 will in the form of an abstract of a Circuit
> Court decision
>
> printed in the William & Mary Quarterly. If we have a copy of the actual
> will I haven't
>
> seen it.
>		01/04/2009 9:41:02
Re: [POYTHRESS] Wm Poythress 331 acres on Butterwood Swamp, from John Cleaton by Aug 1752Lou PooleI'm not sure what the question is. In general, though, Dinwiddie was
created in 1752 from Prince George, so these patents referring to
Butterwood Creek are almost certainly referring to same general area.
On a detailed topographical map, Butterwood Creek flows west to east
across the northwestern to central part of present-day Dinwiddie to
empty into Stony Creek a mile or two west-northwest of the town of
Dinwiddie. The headwaters of Butterwood Creek are actually just a
mile of so inside present-day Nottoway County. The terms "swamp" and
"creek" are practically interchangeable in this part of Virginia, and
particularly so in the old records.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Neal
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:22 PM
To: Poythress
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Wm Poythress 331 acres on Butterwood Swamp, from
John Cleaton by Aug 1752

Does anyone recognize the transaction mentioned in the William
Poythress
entry below? It refers, in August 1752, to 331 acres, for which the
Right &
Title has become vested in William Poythress, of land that was
originally
patented by John "Clayton" -- Cleaton in July 1724. Thanks for any
help.
Barbara

Cavaliers & Pioneers Vol. IV for 1749-1762, the volume that covers
Patent
Books 29 thru 34, has numerous Poythress listings in the index, which
items
could be anywhere in VA, for unnamed-Poythress folk (probably as
adjacent
landowners) and also listings for Edward, Francis, Joseph, Peter, and
William. The only ones in all caps (indicating they were the
landowners
getting the patents) were

- PB 29, p.509: Peter Poythress 324 acs. (acres) Pr. Geo. Co. on the
S
side of Butterwood Sw. (swamp), adj William Poythress and Moore; 5 Aug
1751,
p.509. £1.S15 (one pound 15 shillings)

and this next one for William Poythress also refers to some of
William's
earlier patents, one of which ties him to a John "Clayton" (Cleaton, I
bet)
for 331 acres of land. The square brackets shown are in Cavaliers &
Pioneers, and parentheses are mine.

- PB 31, p.171: William Poythress 531 acs. Dinwiddie Co. on S side
of
Butterwood Swamp, adj. Eppes and his own old lines; 3 Aug 1752, p.171.
(This
531 acres is composed of 2 parcels, as follows) 331 acs Part gtd. John
Clayton (Note: I bet that's John Cleaton!) by Letters Pat. 9, July
1724 [PB
12, p.71] the Right & Title is since become vested in sd William
Poythress &
200 acs. the Residue being also gtd. William Poythress by our Letters
Pat. 1
Jun 1741 [PB 19, p.983]

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Wm Poythress 331 acres on Butterwood Swamp, from John Cleaton by Aug 1752Albert TimsBarbara,

We looked at these Patents some time back when we were trying to
develop a sense of the proximity of the Willliam, Rober and Thomas
Poythress patents to those held by the Wynne and Woodlief, Jones,
Evans and Eppes families in the 1720s. This link shows a series of
best guess maps along Butterwood Creek, Reedy Creek and Rocky Run Creek.

Al


On Jan 18, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Does anyone recognize the transaction mentioned in the William
> Poythress
> entry below? It refers, in August 1752, to 331 acres, for which the
> Right &
> Title has become vested in William Poythress, of land that was
> originally
> patented by John "Clayton" -- Cleaton in July 1724. Thanks for any
> help.
> Barbara
>
> Cavaliers & Pioneers Vol. IV for 1749-1762, the volume that covers
> Patent
> Books 29 thru 34, has numerous Poythress listings in the index,
> which items
> could be anywhere in VA, for unnamed-Poythress folk (probably as
> adjacent
> landowners) and also listings for Edward, Francis, Joseph, Peter, and
> William. The only ones in all caps (indicating they were the
> landowners
> getting the patents) were
>
> - PB 29, p.509: Peter Poythress 324 acs. (acres) Pr. Geo. Co. on
> the S
> side of Butterwood Sw. (swamp), adj William Poythress and Moore; 5
> Aug 1751,
> p.509. £1.S15 (one pound 15 shillings)
>
> and this next one for William Poythress also refers to some of
> William's
> earlier patents, one of which ties him to a John "Clayton" (Cleaton,
> I bet)
> for 331 acres of land. The square brackets shown are in Cavaliers &
> Pioneers, and parentheses are mine.
>
> - PB 31, p.171: William Poythress 531 acs. Dinwiddie Co. on S side of
> Butterwood Swamp, adj. Eppes and his own old lines; 3 Aug 1752, p.
> 171. (This
> 531 acres is composed of 2 parcels, as follows) 331 acs Part gtd. John
> Clayton (Note: I bet that's John Cleaton!) by Letters Pat. 9, July
> 1724 [PB
> 12, p.71] the Right & Title is since become vested in sd William
> Poythress &
> 200 acs. the Residue being also gtd. William Poythress by our
> Letters Pat. 1
> Jun 1741 [PB 19, p.983]
>
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> the body of the message		01/18/2009 4:14:45
Re: [POYTHRESS] Wm Poythress 331 acres on Butterwood Swamp, from John Cleaton by Aug 1752Albert TimsBarbara,

Sorry folks, the link is:

http://www.poythress.net/map1.html

Al

On Jan 18, 2009, at 8:22 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Does anyone recognize the transaction mentioned in the William
> Poythress
> entry below? It refers, in August 1752, to 331 acres, for which the
> Right &
> Title has become vested in William Poythress, of land that was
> originally
> patented by John "Clayton" -- Cleaton in July 1724. Thanks for any
> help.
> Barbara
>
> Cavaliers & Pioneers Vol. IV for 1749-1762, the volume that covers
> Patent
> Books 29 thru 34, has numerous Poythress listings in the index,
> which items
> could be anywhere in VA, for unnamed-Poythress folk (probably as
> adjacent
> landowners) and also listings for Edward, Francis, Joseph, Peter, and
> William. The only ones in all caps (indicating they were the
> landowners
> getting the patents) were
>
> - PB 29, p.509: Peter Poythress 324 acs. (acres) Pr. Geo. Co. on
> the S
> side of Butterwood Sw. (swamp), adj William Poythress and Moore; 5
> Aug 1751,
> p.509. £1.S15 (one pound 15 shillings)
>
> and this next one for William Poythress also refers to some of
> William's
> earlier patents, one of which ties him to a John "Clayton" (Cleaton,
> I bet)
> for 331 acres of land. The square brackets shown are in Cavaliers &
> Pioneers, and parentheses are mine.
>
> - PB 31, p.171: William Poythress 531 acs. Dinwiddie Co. on S side of
> Butterwood Swamp, adj. Eppes and his own old lines; 3 Aug 1752, p.
> 171. (This
> 531 acres is composed of 2 parcels, as follows) 331 acs Part gtd. John
> Clayton (Note: I bet that's John Cleaton!) by Letters Pat. 9, July
> 1724 [PB
> 12, p.71] the Right & Title is since become vested in sd William
> Poythress &
> 200 acs. the Residue being also gtd. William Poythress by our
> Letters Pat. 1
> Jun 1741 [PB 19, p.983]
>
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[POYTHRESS] Wm Poythress 331 acres on Butterwood Swamp, from John Cleaton by Aug 1752Barbara NealDoes anyone recognize the transaction mentioned in the William Poythress
entry below? It refers, in August 1752, to 331 acres, for which the Right &
Title has become vested in William Poythress, of land that was originally
patented by John "Clayton" -- Cleaton in July 1724. Thanks for any help.
Barbara

Cavaliers & Pioneers Vol. IV for 1749-1762, the volume that covers Patent
Books 29 thru 34, has numerous Poythress listings in the index, which items
could be anywhere in VA, for unnamed-Poythress folk (probably as adjacent
landowners) and also listings for Edward, Francis, Joseph, Peter, and
William. The only ones in all caps (indicating they were the landowners
getting the patents) were

- PB 29, p.509: Peter Poythress 324 acs. (acres) Pr. Geo. Co. on the S
side of Butterwood Sw. (swamp), adj William Poythress and Moore; 5 Aug 1751,
p.509. £1.S15 (one pound 15 shillings)

and this next one for William Poythress also refers to some of William's
earlier patents, one of which ties him to a John "Clayton" (Cleaton, I bet)
for 331 acres of land. The square brackets shown are in Cavaliers &
Pioneers, and parentheses are mine.

- PB 31, p.171: William Poythress 531 acs. Dinwiddie Co. on S side of
Butterwood Swamp, adj. Eppes and his own old lines; 3 Aug 1752, p.171. (This
531 acres is composed of 2 parcels, as follows) 331 acs Part gtd. John
Clayton (Note: I bet that's John Cleaton!) by Letters Pat. 9, July 1724 [PB
12, p.71] the Right & Title is since become vested in sd William Poythress &
200 acs. the Residue being also gtd. William Poythress by our Letters Pat. 1
Jun 1741 [PB 19, p.983]		01/18/2009 12:22:14
Re: [POYTHRESS] Wm Poythress 331 acres on Butterwood Swamp, from John Cleaton by Aug 1752Barbara NealThanks for all the input, folks. All of it is very helpful, and I
especially appreciate seeing the map.

Sorry I was not specific in my question. What I'd like to do is understand
the familial or neighborly or whatever type of relationship may already be
known, or what relationship can be determined, for these two men: In other
words, can anyone fill me in on anything about *how* this particular 331
acres of land came to be held by William Poythress by August 1752, when it
was originally a Patent to John Clayton/Cleaton in April 1724?

That 1724 to 1752 time period is part of the crucial 1700s in nailing down
which Poythress men descended from which earlier Poythress men.

If, for example, we either know, or could determine, that John
Clayton/Cleaton's 331 acres went to some particular descendant(s) &
spouse(s), and if we could determine whether William Poythress was one of
those people; or if he (say, as a spouse of one of John's daughter) got
part of the 331 acres and then bought-out the siblings' portions?

This "by 1752" shows an earlier Cleaton-Poythress connection than I can
recall us having known about, but maybe I'm just forgetting one earlier? I
know of the 3 below-listed Cleaton-Poythress connections documented 32 years
(& more) later than 1752, all via Meredith Poythress & his wife Edith
Cleaton, daughter of a William Cleaton.

- in Jan 1784 Meredith Poythress & his wife Edith (nee Cleaton) in
Brunswick Co, VA Order Bk 14, p.58, conveyed land to James Phipps.

- in 1786 Meredith Poythress sold his household goods to William Cleaton
as shown in Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 7, p.52.

- on 12 Nov 1791, William Cleaton made his will witnessed by a William
Taylor and by James Standley Sr & Junr (it was proved 11 Apr 1796), as
recorded in Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 3, pp.339-340, and he left stuff to
(among others) his daughter Edith Poythress (i.e. Meredith's wife) and to
his son John Cleaton.

Any help would be appreciated.
Barbara		01/19/2009 3:30:13
Re: [POYTHRESS] Wm Poythress 331 acres on Butterwood Swamp, from John Cleaton by Aug 1752Barbara NealThanks Lou, for keeping your eyes open re this. Glad I was able to better
phrase the issue today than yesterday;) Also in my head-cold-haze last
night, I had forgotten that Dinwiddie was formed in 1752 out of former
Prince George Co.

Any other tidbits that might fold in with this one might eventually provide
us with that miracle.
Barbara		01/19/2009 5:39:15
Re: [POYTHRESS] Wm Poythress 331 acres on Butterwood Swamp, from John Cleaton by Aug 1752Lou PooleBarbara, now that I understand the question, it's a most interesting
one indeed. The wording in the 1752 patent: "...331 acs Part gtd.
John Clayton the Right & Title is since become vested in sd William
Poythress..." certainly says that William Poythress either acquired
the land through an inheritance or else that he out-right bought it.
But the land's location prior to 1752 being in Prince George County is
going to make finding the answer to your question tough - probably on
the order of a minor miracle.

I'll keep my eyes open for something that might help as I rummage
through old records. Anybody else up for providing a miracle?

Lou Poole		01/19/2009 6:15:43
[POYTHRESS] FacebookJohn M. PoythressFor one already dealing with too much technology, I regret (so far) that my daughter has

been bitten by Facebook. In order to see HER page, I have to create my own (she did it

for me). Thus this thing is spreading from infector to infectee like wildfire, now
claiming

16 million "pages."



Julian Bell somehow picked my name up off the thing and told me, to my surprise, that

up loading one's gedcom is now the fashion and it can be done at:



http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/news/volume3Issue17/newsletter_facebook.html



Not having a gedcom I can't participate but if any of you others would like to do so
please

have at it and I for one will be happy to add it to my database.



Cheers.



Maynard		01/25/2009 2:08:42
[POYTHRESS] Finding maps for deed locationsBarbara NealIt was pointed out to me that simply using Google Maps (maps.google.com)
one can search & sometimes find some features (such as a particular named
creek) when you know in what county or what state it is located.

For example: we know that there was a deed dated 20 Aug 1795 in which
Thomas Poythress sold to George Hicks 85 acres, in Brunswick Co, VA for 50
pounds (full deed found in Brunswick Co, VA Deed Book 16, pp.165-166)

Part of the land description in that deed/indenture mentions one side of
this Brunswick Co land being along Rattle Snake Creek.

So at maps.google.com one can search for Rattle Snake Creek, Virginia. One
gets the response of

"Did you mean:
Rattlesnake Creek, Brunswick, VA 23868

>From that, you can figure it found the correct Rattlesnake Creek, since you
knew it was a Brunswick Co deed. If you click on that, you then see the
creek placed on a map. You can gradually zoom out until you see the names
of nearby roads, or towns, or whatever, in order to see where in the county
the creek is.

There is also a USGS related site that worked for me earlier today, at:

http://geonames.usgs.gov/domestic/index.html

Using it, I initially found 4 locations in Virginia of streams having the
name Butcher or Butchers in them. One was in Mecklenburg Co, as I expected
for Butcher's Creek. Clicking on that one, it gave me a detail sheet of
info including its latitude & longitude. On the right side of that detail
page, one choice was that I could click on GNIS in Google Map, to see a
Google Map of it. There were other choices, too, including placing it on a
USGS national map, but that one was very slow at loading, so I gave up on
it.

Then as I tried to write for y'all some directions in how to use the
geonames.usgs.gov site, it got contrary & ceased working for me, but maybe
either the site or I have just had a long day.

Cheers,
Barbara		01/25/2009 10:22:56
[POYTHRESS] Clarification sought re 1600s land of Poythress & WoodleifeBarbara NealIn VPB 1 (Virginia Patent Book 1), on p.439 (listed in Cavaliers & Pioneers,
C&P, Vol. I, on p.60), is the earliest-located Patent of land for Francis
Poythress, which refers to 400 acres being "N. upon his own land."

His earlier land *may* have consisted of 50 acres (since the below-listed
May 1648 patent for 750 acres mentions that "450 acres" of that 750 acres
was his due by a former patent).

I note that a 50 acre parcel was purchased by Captain Francis Poythress from
Anthony Wyatt, "outside Land of Capt Woodleife." That parcel is mentioned in
Beverley Fleet's Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Vol. III, p.321, quoting from
p.552 in Charles City Co, VA Court Orders 1664-1665 & Fragments 1650-1696,
in an entry dated 16 May 1665. I note that though that entry's date was
after the death of Captain Francis Poythress, the entry was giving
information about a much earlier sale of land by Anthony Wyatt, with no
indication of when the land was sold by Wyatt to Poythress (possibly for
clarification about land that may have passed on to his son or sons John,
Francis, and Thomas?). This Charles City County Court Order, p.552, entry
reads:
"To All to whom these presents shall come I Anthony Wyatt aged 60
yeares or thereabouts do declare upon my oath to the best of my knowledge
that the fifty acres of Land whc I sold to Capt Poythres was the outside
Land of Capt Woodleife and del'red to me by mr Gabriell Hollan then Guardian
of Capt Woodleifs estate beginning at a great Wallnutt tree then standing
ne'r Jenkin Osborne (wch then had purchased Jarrets Land) and mr Hollan to
divide the land of Woodleife and Jarretts, and Jarrett was to begin at the
tree and so to the Creeke. This is to the best of my knowledge nothing but
truth As witnesse my hand this 16 of May 1665. Anthony Wyatt."

If Sandy or any of our other List subscribers happens to know & could
enlighten me re when the death of Capt John Woodleife/Woodliffe/etc was,
that could help indicate when his estate was being handled by Gabriell
Hollan as Guardian. I noted in VPB 1, p.467 (C&P 1, p.68) that on 24 Aug
1637 John "Woodlife" patented 550 acres, (I'm not describing the land here)
"Due in right of decent from his father Capt. John Woodlife, Esqr., of
Charles Citty, to whom it was granted by Sir Georg Yeardly in the yeare of
our Lord God 1620."

Other early land of Captain Frances Poythress:

VPB Vol. 1, p.439 (C&P I, p.60):
13th July 1637 - Francis Poythers 400 acres in Charles Citty Co., N(orth)
upon his own land, S. into the maine woods, E. Upon land of Capt. Woodliffe
& W. of Baylyes Cr(eek) 50 acres for his own per(sonal) adv(enture) & 350
ac(res) for trans(portation) of 7 pers(ons): Richard Wells, Jone Lucas,
Tho. Tompson, Rich. Fermer, Bryan Reycock, Francis Hewes, and Richard
Whiting.

VPB Vol. 2, p.139 (C&P I, p.175):
8 May 1648 - Capt. Francis Poythres, 750 acs. Charles City Co. Near mouth
of Baylyes Cr., adj. land belonging to the orphants of Jenkin Osborne,
thence Wly (westerly) to land of Thomas Bayly, now in the tenure of John
Butler. 350 acs. formerly granted to Jenkins Osborne & purchased by sd.
Poythres of Jenkin Osborne, Mary Osborne & Capt. Edward Hill by the right of
Dictoris Christmas, confirmed by order of court 27 Feb. 1636. The other 450
acs. due by former patent.
Bpn Note: re this item, the earlier entry regarding Jenkin Osborne, in
VPB Vol. I, p.214, C&P I, p.25, 9 July 1635, was actually an entry for 400
acs. (not just 350 acres) in Chas Citty Co. Lying bet(ween) land of Capt.
Woodley (sic) & William Bayly, N. upon James Riv. & S. into the woods.
Trans. of 8 persons: William Brock, Thomas Ashton, John Cugley, Tho.
Bateman, Tho. Tyler, Georg Purser, Thomas Jones, Samll. Ramsey.		01/31/2009 7:02:53
Re: [POYTHRESS] Clarification sought re 1600s land of Poythress & WoodleifeAlbert TimsBarbara,

Ann Woodlief's website may provide some assistance both for John
Woodlief (1584ca -1637) and his son, John II:

http://www.geocities.com/awoodlief/woodfam.html

This excerpt from the above mentioned website provides a thumbnail
account for Capt. John Woodlief II (1614-76) -- reporting that he died
in Bacon's Rebellion. Interestingly, Wyatt and Woodlief seem to be at
odds with one another over a property dispute and, seemingly, not the
best of friends in 1658 :).

In 1658 he was taken to court as having "assaulted and threatened Mr.
Anthony Wyatt whereby he is in perill of his life;" but the case seems
to have been dropped. In 1665 Anthony Wyatt testified about a property
dispute with Woodlief; perhaps there was a connection. In 1661 he
commanded the County Regiment as Capt Lt. In 1664 he was taken to
court for getting his servant Ann Berrey with child and was ordered to
pay a fine. He went with John Lanier to ask Governor Berkeley for
permission to go against Indians. Being refused and called fools and
loggerheads, they took Nathaniel Bacon as their leader and went
without commission. He died during Bacon's Rebellion (See Va. Rec. Bk.
p. 284-8, Ch City Mil 16, 55-1665. Was in Cp. Francis, Gray's Co)


On Jan 31, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> In VPB 1 (Virginia Patent Book 1), on p.439 (listed in Cavaliers &
> Pioneers,
> C&P, Vol. I, on p.60), is the earliest-located Patent of land for
> Francis
> Poythress, which refers to 400 acres being "N. upon his own land."
>
> His earlier land *may* have consisted of 50 acres (since the below-
> listed
> May 1648 patent for 750 acres mentions that "450 acres" of that 750
> acres
> was his due by a former patent).
>
> I note that a 50 acre parcel was purchased by Captain Francis
> Poythress from
> Anthony Wyatt, "outside Land of Capt Woodleife." That parcel is
> mentioned in
> Beverley Fleet's Virginia Colonial Abstracts, Vol. III, p.321,
> quoting from
> p.552 in Charles City Co, VA Court Orders 1664-1665 & Fragments
> 1650-1696,
> in an entry dated 16 May 1665. I note that though that entry's date
> was
> after the death of Captain Francis Poythress, the entry was giving
> information about a much earlier sale of land by Anthony Wyatt, with
> no
> indication of when the land was sold by Wyatt to Poythress (possibly
> for
> clarification about land that may have passed on to his son or sons
> John,
> Francis, and Thomas?). This Charles City County Court Order, p.
> 552, entry
> reads:
> "To All to whom these presents shall come I Anthony Wyatt aged
> 60
> yeares or thereabouts do declare upon my oath to the best of my
> knowledge
> that the fifty acres of Land whc I sold to Capt Poythres was the
> outside
> Land of Capt Woodleife and del'red to me by mr Gabriell Hollan then
> Guardian
> of Capt Woodleifs estate beginning at a great Wallnutt tree then
> standing
> ne'r Jenkin Osborne (wch then had purchased Jarrets Land) and mr
> Hollan to
> divide the land of Woodleife and Jarretts, and Jarrett was to begin
> at the
> tree and so to the Creeke. This is to the best of my knowledge
> nothing but
> truth As witnesse my hand this 16 of May 1665. Anthony Wyatt."
>
> If Sandy or any of our other List subscribers happens to know & could
> enlighten me re when the death of Capt John Woodleife/Woodliffe/etc
> was,
> that could help indicate when his estate was being handled by Gabriell
> Hollan as Guardian. I noted in VPB 1, p.467 (C&P 1, p.68) that on
> 24 Aug
> 1637 John "Woodlife" patented 550 acres, (I'm not describing the
> land here)
> "Due in right of decent from his father Capt. John Woodlife, Esqr., of
> Charles Citty, to whom it was granted by Sir Georg Yeardly in the
> yeare of
> our Lord God 1620."
>
> Other early land of Captain Frances Poythress:
>
> VPB Vol. 1, p.439 (C&P I, p.60):
> 13th July 1637 - Francis Poythers 400 acres in Charles Citty Co.,
> N(orth)
> upon his own land, S. into the maine woods, E. Upon land of Capt.
> Woodliffe
> & W. of Baylyes Cr(eek) 50 acres for his own per(sonal) adv(enture)
> & 350
> ac(res) for trans(portation) of 7 pers(ons): Richard Wells, Jone
> Lucas,
> Tho. Tompson, Rich. Fermer, Bryan Reycock, Francis Hewes, and Richard
> Whiting.
>
> VPB Vol. 2, p.139 (C&P I, p.175):
> 8 May 1648 - Capt. Francis Poythres, 750 acs. Charles City Co.
> Near mouth
> of Baylyes Cr., adj. land belonging to the orphants of Jenkin Osborne,
> thence Wly (westerly) to land of Thomas Bayly, now in the tenure of
> John
> Butler. 350 acs. formerly granted to Jenkins Osborne & purchased by
> sd.
> Poythres of Jenkin Osborne, Mary Osborne & Capt. Edward Hill by the
> right of
> Dictoris Christmas, confirmed by order of court 27 Feb. 1636. The
> other 450
> acs. due by former patent.
> Bpn Note: re this item, the earlier entry regarding Jenkin
> Osborne, in
> VPB Vol. I, p.214, C&P I, p.25, 9 July 1635, was actually an entry
> for 400
> acs. (not just 350 acres) in Chas Citty Co. Lying bet(ween) land of
> Capt.
> Woodley (sic) & William Bayly, N. upon James Riv. & S. into the woods.
> Trans. of 8 persons: William Brock, Thomas Ashton, John Cugley, Tho.
> Bateman, Tho. Tyler, Georg Purser, Thomas Jones, Samll. Ramsey.
>
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> the body of the message		01/31/2009 9:46:20
Re: [POYTHRESS] An obscure film yields a Taylor deed from April 1810Julie CabittoThanks Barbara! I recently got a chancery on Goodwyn Taylor that I still need to read and process. I had not seen this record, so greatly appreciated. I did want to point out that Edmund Taylor in my opinion has to be Rebecca Taylor's brother. Because in the chancery, in his deposition, he specifically states that he is the son of Rebecca Dortch married to David Taylor. Also, I can't remember exactly, I need to pull the case out, but I think Edmund also specifically stated that Rebecca, the wife of Lewis Poythress was his sister. Edmund and Rebecca are both in this chancery. This chancery is the first I had ever seen mentioning Edmund Taylor. The chancery case I am referencing where Edmund gave this deposition was:
Chancery Case: Mecklenburg County, Virginia: case# 1824-084 Rebecca Taylor v. Adms. David Dortch the younger, box 248

Thanks,
Julie Cabitto
----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara Neal
To: Julie Cabitto ; Poythress
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:15 PM
Subject: An obscure film yields a Taylor deed from April 1810


Julie & I have periodically been delving in related lines (including Cleaton, Dortch, and Taylor) to try to better understand which Poythresses and others were which.

The other day, while hunting for potential obscure Mecklenburg microfilms, I decided to review one that sounded potentially helpful re my gg-grandfather, James E. Poythress, who was born in Mecklenburg Co, VA in 1803.

While I did not find any Poythress, I do want to make the below April 1810 Taylor deed available for the potential help it may give (and get it archived, thanks to being on our List, for others to be able to utilize it). I note that Goodwyn Taylor, who is mentioned in the land description, and Edmon Taylor, one of the witnesses, were both related to Lewis Poythress' 2nd wife Rebecca B. Taylor. (Rebecca B. Taylor was the daughter of Rebecca Dortch & David Taylor -- David was brother of the deceased James below; an elder Goodwyn Taylor was another brother, and had a son Goodwyn. Edmon/Edmund Taylor may have been a brother of Rebecca B. Taylor since he served as Administrator for her mother's estate -- the estate of Rebecca nee Dortch Taylor, who had died sometime before the 16 May 1823 Inventory and Appraisal of her Estate was done by Henry Walker, Thomas W Walker, and Wm Bennett, and signed by "his mark" by her Administrator, Edmund Taylor -- as shown in Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 10, pp.8-9 for the estate's Inventory & p.305 for the estate's Accounting, found in Family History Library film #32,521.

Family History Library microfilm #1,870,870, item #3, is of "Mecklenburg Co, VA Fragments from Superior Court Deed Book 1 for 1810-1813 + 1824 (only 14 pp total)."
Transcribed 4 Feb 2009 from first page of entries in this volume following its internal index.
Taylor, Exor
to
Goode
This indenture made the 3d day of April 1810 Between James Taylor Executor of the Last Will and Testament of his father James Taylor Late of the County of Mecklenburg deceased of the one part and Samuel Goode of the same County of the other part. Witnesseth that the dec'd James Taylor Executor aforesaid in consideration of the Sum of five hundred Dollars to him in hand paid by the said Samuel Goode at and before the ensealing and Delivery of these presents, the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged hath granted bargained and Sold and doth by these presents grant bargain Sell also enfeoff and confirm unto the said Samuel Goode his heirs and assigns forever a certain tract or parcel of Land lying and being in the said County of Mecklenburg on the east side of Flat Creek containing one hundred acres be the Same more or less and bounded as followeth via By the said creek on the west thence along Goodwyn Taylor's line to the wolf pit branch thence down the said branch to Ambrose Vaughans line thence along his line to Daniel Daly's line thence along his line to the said Goods former line and thence along that line to flat Creek. To have and to hold the said land and premises its tenements and hereditaments its rents appurtaining with all and every of their rights and members to and for the only proper use and behoof of him the said Samuel Goode his heirs and assigns forever and the said James Taylor executor as aforesaid the Said tract or parcel of Land with all and Singular the premises and appurtenances thereunto belonging or in any manner appurtaining unto the said Samuel Goode his heirs and assigns free from the claim or claims of him the said James Taylor and of all and every person or persons whatsoever Shall and will warrant & forever defend by these presents In witness whereof the Said James Taylor hath hereunto set his hand and affixed his seal this day and year first above written.
James Taylor Exor (L.S.)
Signed Sealed acknowledged and
Delivered in presence of
Caleb Johnston
Jas Harrison
Edmon (his mark) Taylor
At a Superior Court held for Mecklenburg County the 3d day of April 1810 This Indenture was acknowledged by James Taylor Executor of James Taylor Dec'd a party thereto and ordered to be Recorded. Teste William Baskervill Ck cur't		02/05/2009 1:45:42
[POYTHRESS] An obscure film yields a Taylor deed from April 1810Barbara NealJulie & I have periodically been delving in related lines (including
Cleaton, Dortch, and Taylor) to try to better understand which Poythresses
and others were which.

The other day, while hunting for potential obscure Mecklenburg microfilms, I
decided to review one that sounded potentially helpful re my gg-grandfather,
James E. Poythress, who was born in Mecklenburg Co, VA in 1803.

While I did not find any Poythress, I do want to make the below April 1810
Taylor deed available for the potential help it may give (and get it
archived, thanks to being on our List, for others to be able to utilize
it). I note that Goodwyn Taylor, who is mentioned in the land description,
and Edmon Taylor, one of the witnesses, were both related to Lewis
Poythress' 2nd wife Rebecca B. Taylor. (Rebecca B. Taylor was the daughter
of Rebecca Dortch & David Taylor -- David was brother of the deceased James
below; an elder Goodwyn Taylor was another brother, and had a son Goodwyn.
Edmon/Edmund Taylor may have been a brother of Rebecca B. Taylor since he
served as Administrator for her mother's estate -- the estate of Rebecca nee
Dortch Taylor, who had died sometime before the 16 May 1823 Inventory and
Appraisal of her Estate was done by Henry Walker, Thomas W Walker, and Wm
Bennett, and signed by "his mark" by her Administrator, Edmund Taylor -- as
shown in Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 10, pp.8-9 for the estate's Inventory
& p.305 for the estate's Accounting, found in Family History Library film
#32,521.

Family History Library microfilm #1,870,870, item #3, is of "Mecklenburg Co,
VA Fragments from Superior Court Deed Book 1 for 1810-1813 + 1824 (only 14
pp total)."
Transcribed 4 Feb 2009 from first page of entries in this volume following
its internal index.
Taylor, Exor
to
Goode
This indenture made the 3d day of April 1810 Between James Taylor Executor
of the Last Will and Testament of his father James Taylor Late of the County
of Mecklenburg deceased of the one part and Samuel Goode of the same County
of the other part. Witnesseth that the dec'd James Taylor Executor
aforesaid in consideration of the Sum of five hundred Dollars to him in hand
paid by the said Samuel Goode at and before the ensealing and Delivery of
these presents, the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged hath granted
bargained and Sold and doth by these presents grant bargain Sell also
enfeoff and confirm unto the said Samuel Goode his heirs and assigns forever
a certain tract or parcel of Land lying and being in the said County of
Mecklenburg on the east side of Flat Creek containing one hundred acres be
the Same more or less and bounded as followeth via By the said creek on the
west thence along Goodwyn Taylor's line to the wolf pit branch thence down
the said branch to Ambrose Vaughans line thence along his line to Daniel
Daly's line thence along his line to the said Goods former line and thence
along that line to flat Creek. To have and to hold the said land and
premises its tenements and hereditaments its rents appurtaining with all and
every of their rights and members to and for the only proper use and behoof
of him the said Samuel Goode his heirs and assigns forever and the said
James Taylor executor as aforesaid the Said tract or parcel of Land with all
and Singular the premises and appurtenances thereunto belonging or in any
manner appurtaining unto the said Samuel Goode his heirs and assigns free
from the claim or claims of him the said James Taylor and of all and every
person or persons whatsoever Shall and will warrant & forever defend by
these presents In witness whereof the Said James Taylor hath hereunto set
his hand and affixed his seal this day and year first above written.
James Taylor Exor (L.S.)
Signed Sealed acknowledged and
Delivered in presence of
Caleb Johnston
Jas Harrison
Edmon (his mark) Taylor
At a Superior Court held for Mecklenburg County the 3d day of April 1810
This Indenture was acknowledged by James Taylor Executor of James Taylor
Dec'd a party thereto and ordered to be Recorded. Teste William Baskervill
Ck cur't		02/05/2009 10:15:42
Re: [POYTHRESS] Ruth Kauffman subscriber?: Lewis Poythress' Nance, Malone, Cleaton, Giles relationsRandy JonesDo we have documentation that Ann Epes below was the daughter of Isham Epes?  Most online (secondary) sources show her as the daughter of Lewellyn Epes.

  -- Randy Jones




________________________________
From: Barbara Neal
To: Poythress
Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 5:58:46 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Ruth Kauffman subscriber?: Lewis Poythress' Nance, Malone, Cleaton, Giles relations

Today in our Poythress List message archives, I located the below-copied
message written by our then-subscriber Ruth Kauffman on 13 Nov 1998, which
message ties together the Nance & Giles names, as well as a Malone, some of
which names include the 4 Nance men who witnessed the 1801 deed I just
posted in which Lewis Poythress sold 100 acres to John Giles.

Ruth, if you are still a subscriber to this List, I'd appreciate hearing
from you again.  It is great that you included your Source notes at the
bottom of your message.  I'm hoping you or someone else can help, re:

1. Am I correct in understanding that Isham Nance's marriage (about
1730-1735) in the first line of the message, was to Frances Malone?  As I
understand your Note at the bottom, Frances Malone's father was Thomas
Malone;  can you please give me the Will Book (or other) source for Thomas
Malone's 1797 Will you mention for Mecklenburg Co, VA?  (I'm hoping to
determine how Frances was kin to Amey Malone, who was daughter of Drury
Malone and wife of Goodwyn Taylor)

2. Do you have more info (including the dates they lived) for members of the
birth family of Jean Cleaton, who you mentioned was the mother of Edward
Giles, Jr, and the wife of Henry Edward Giles?  (As I understand earlier
posts to our List, Jean was a daughter of William Cleaton & Jane Poole, and
two of Jean's 8 siblings were John Cleaton who married Mary Taylor, and
Edith Cleaton who married Meredith Poythress.  We knew from William
Cleaton's Will, Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 3 Page 339,dated: Nov. 12, 1791
Recorded: April 11, 1796, and witnessed by James STANDLEY, Senr., William
TAYLOR & James STANDLEY, Junr.)

3. Do you have the dates when "Henry Edward Giles" lived, and the dates his
children lived?  I think I correctly understand this Henry Edward Giles was
the same "Edward Giles" whose daughter was Elizabeth or Patsy or
Betsy/Batsey Giles who was the first wife of Lewis Poythress, and the same
Edward Giles whose 1818 Mecklenburg Co, VA will (Will Bk 8, pp 415-6), named
his Grand Daughter Milly Nance; Grandson Edward Poythress; Grandson John
Poythress; Grand Daughter Martha Giles Daughter of my Daughter Betsy P.
Giles; and his then four Living Children Jean P. Basey, John Giles, Edward
Giles, and William Giles, and which will named as Executors Edward Giles,
Jr. and John Basey.

Any clarification would be greatly appreciated. / Barbara
= =
From: (Ruth Kauffman) Thomas Scott Kauffman Overton)
Subject: Isham Nance and Frances Malone
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 98 01:43:03 -0000

Isham Nance. son of William Nance, Jr and Ann Epes (Epps) daughter of Isham
Epes (Epps) married 1730-1735.(1) Their children were:

- John Nance. Born ca 1769 (1) (2)
- William Nance Born ca 1771 (1)
- Isham Nance Jr. ca 1779 (1) (3)
- Thomas Nance ca 1784 (1)
- Nancy Nance ca 1790 (1)
- Frances M. Nance (3) (4) Born 8 April 1792 Mecklenburg Co. Va Died 12
Nov. 1855 Williamson Co. Tn. Buried in N.P. Giles Cemetery, Choctaw,
Wmson.Co. Tn
Married Edward Giles, Jr, son of Henry Edward Giles and Jean Cleaton, Born
24 Feb. 1779 Va. Died 1 Feb.1858, Flat Creek, Williamson Co. TN (3)

Their children were:
-- Isham L. Giles .born abt 1826 Married 7 July 1861 Wmson Co. TN (second)
Susan E. Wood. 8 Nov. 1856( first) Mary Jane Smithson (4)
-- Mortimer W. Giles,B.19 Dec.1829 Wmson Co. TN Died in prison camp in
Ohio, buried in Confederate Cem. Married Sarah Ann F.B. Lofton 3 Oct. 1850
in Wmson Co. TN.(4) (5)
-- William E Giles married Sarah Ann Young 16 Dec. 1840 in Wmson Co. TN (4)
-- Martha Ann Giles b. 9 Jun 1821 Va.died 20 Sept.1886 Married William N
Smith 8 Jun 1842 in Wmson Co. TN (4)
-- Thomas Perry Giles b. 13 March 1835, Wmson Co. TN. died 9 May 1905
buried in N.P. Giles Cem., Choctaw, Wmson Co., TN married Sarah Jane Pate 5
Feb. Wmson. Co. TN (This is my line I have more if any one is interested.)
(4) (6)
-- Frances Mary Jane Giles, born 15 Apr. 1822 in Va. Died 21 Aug. 1901 in
Wmson Co. TN married her cousin Nicholas Perry Giles 21 Dec. 1848, in Wmson
Co. TN Buried in Family Cem., Choctaw, Wmson Co., TN (4)
-- Elizabeth Giles, born abt 1828 in VA (4)
-- J. Giles born abt 1827 (4)
_____
  NOTES FOR ISHAM NANCE Isham Nance received about 200 acres of land in his
father´s will in Mecklenburg Co. Va (2) Census 1782 Mecklenburg Co Va. Isham
Nance head of household, 3 to 5 houses away from Daniel Malone . Mecklenburg
Co.Va Census 1787 Isham Nance head of household.
  NOTES FOR FRANCES MALONE Will of Thomas Malone dated 1797 Mecklenburg Co.
Va. mentions his daughter Fanny Nance.
  NOTES FOR EDWARD GILES JR. Will dated 24th Jan 1858. Will lists children
(7).
  NOTES FOR FRANCES NANCE. Malone and Allied Families states; Frances M.
Nance married Edward Giles son of Henry Edward Giles.(3)
_____
SOURCES
1. ANCESTRY.COM jgarner@na.fcic.usda.gov. Gedcom file G675
2. N.L "Pete" Nance, Nance Register 1966
3. R.A.Malone, Malone & Allied Families 2nd.and Revised Ed. Thomasville, Ga.
1966
4. Betty Cason, 6948 Comstock Rd. Spring Hill, TN Family papers.
5. Pat Giles, patgiles2@aol.com
6. Overton Family Bible, Virginia E. Overton Porter
7. Book of Williamson Co. Wills Franklin, Wmson Co.
______
Hope this helps some one. / Ruth / kauffman@acnet.net

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Re: [POYTHRESS] An obscure film yields a Taylor deed from April 1810Barbara NealThanks so much, Julie, for letting me know that in that Chancery Case
(Mecklenburg County, Virginia: case# 1824-084 Rebecca Taylor v. Adms. David
Dortch the younger, box 248) Edmund Taylor specifically states he's the son
of Rebecca Dortch who married David Taylor (the parents of Rebecca B. Taylor
who married Lewis Poythress) -- thus clarifying that indeed Edmund & Rebecca
B. were siblings!

I just looked & indeed that Chancery Case is one of the items awaiting
review in my "To Do" pile -- a pile more huge than I like to admit;( I am
at least working on it now, and hopefully more relationship clarifications
will surface. These Chancery Cases are real goldmines in that regard, as
you have found out for yourself. It's fascinating to all of this type of
stuff laid out on paper, enabling us centuries later to get "the drift" of
what was going on in our ancestors' lives.

Barbara		02/06/2009 3:02:02
Re: [POYTHRESS] An obscure film yields a Taylor deed from April 1810Barbara NealJulie & all,

In going back thru the documents that I had not earlier transcribed & posted
to our Poythress List from this Chancery Case (Mecklenburg County, Virginia:
case# 1824-084 Rebecca Taylor v. Adms. David Dortch the younger, box 248), I
see that I did not transcribe the 3-page deposition of Newman Dortch, which
is a bit harder to read than some of the other documents.

It looks like near the bottom of the 2nd page, a "Question by plaintiffs"
(with the plaintiff at that point being Edmund Taylor as Administrator for
Rebecca nee Dortch who had been married to David Taylor) asked (with me
adding emphasis with all caps) "Do you not know that there was a legacy due
to MY MOTHER REBECCA TAYLOR from the Estate of David Dortch Senr dec'd of
whom David Dortch the deft was the Exor?"

That is the most explicit statement I've been able to locate, in looking
today thru the documents of the case, regarding how Edmund Taylor was
related to anyone. By that reference to Rebecca as his mother, that indeed
shows Edmund Taylor would have been sibling of Rebecca B Taylor, who married
Lewis Poythress.

Julie, if by any chance you have transcribed Newman Dortch's entire
deposition on 5 Oct 1824, could I please get a copy of that from you?

Thanks,
Barbara		02/06/2009 4:40:10
[POYTHRESS] 1813 Bond by Lewis Poythress & othersBarbara NealTranscribed by Bpn from FHL film #32,539 (filmed by Genealogical Society of
Utah at Mecklenburg County Courthouse, Boydton, VA, 28 March 1949),
Mecklenburg County, VA Deed Book 15, 1812-1815, pp.219-220 [Note by Bpn:
this below bond re John Nance, a new Constable, which bond includes Lewis
Poythress, appears immediately below a similar bond by Green Blanton, Jno
Nance and Mark S Jackson, for Green Blanton, who was also appointed a
Constable of said County, with Blanton's district also not named]:
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p.219 bottom half:
Nance, John bond
for Constable
Know all men by these presents that we John Nance, Mark S. Jackson, Lewis
Poythress and Green Blanton of Mecklenburg County are held and firmly bound
unto his Excellency James Barbour Exquire Governor of the Commonwealth of
Virginia and his successors in the sum of Fifteen hundred dollars to the
payment of which will and truly to be made to the said Governor and his
successors for the use of the Commonwealth We bind ourselves and each of our
heirs Executors and administrators jointly and severally firmly by these
presents sealed with our seals and dated this 15th day of November 1813 in
the 38th year of the Commonwealth. The Condition of the above obligatin is
such that whereas the above bound John Nance is appinted Constable of the
said County of Mecklenburg in District No. (blank) for the term of Two years
from this date hereof agreeable to the acts of Assembly of the 21st day of
January 1803 and 10th January 1807 now if this said John Nance shall well
and truly discharge the duties of this office of Constable in the County
aforesaid agreeable to Law then the above obligation to be void otherwise
to remain in full force & virtue.
John Nance (L.S.)
Mark L (or S) Jackson (L.S.)
Green Blanton (L.S.)
Lewis Poythress (l.S.)
Witness
Thomas Watkins
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p.220 top:
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 15th day of November 1813
This bond was acknowledged by John Nance, Green Blanton, Mark S. Jackson
and Lewis Poythress Parties thereto and ordered to be recorded.
Teste William Baskervill Ck Cur't		02/06/2009 6:15:42
[POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress to John Giles 1801 deed witnessed by 4 Nance men & Edw GilesBarbara NealTranscribed by Bpn from FHL film 32,536, Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 10,
pp.604-605:
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p.604 bottom:
Poythress
to
Giles
This Indenture made this thirteenth day of January one thousand Eight
hundred and one Between Lewis Poythress of the County of Mecklenburg and
state of Virginia of the one part and John Giles of the same
County
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County and State aforesaid of the other part Witnesseth that the said Lewis
Poythress for and in Consideration of the sum of Seventy pounds Current
Money of Virginia to him in hand paid by John Giles the receipt whereof the
said Lewis Poythress doth truly acknowledge hath Granted, bargained and sold
Aliened and Confirmed and by these presents doth Grant bargain and sell
alien and Confirm unto the said John Giles his Heirs and Assigns forever all
that Tract of Situated Land lying and being in the County of Mecklenburg
aforesaid Containing one hundred Acres more or less and is bounded as
follows Bounded on the East side by John Webbs line on Great Creek On the
North side by Edward Giles's line on the west side by John Nances and
Thomas Watsons lines on the south side by John Cleatons line To have and
to hold the said Land & Premises above mentioned also all Trees woods waters
profits and Advantages and appertinences whatsoever to the said one hundred
Acres be the same more or less above mentioned belonging or appertaining and
also the Reversion and Reversions remainder and remainders thereof to the
said Acres of Land above mentioned and all the Estate right title Interest
claim and Demand whatsoever of him the said Lewis Poythress of in and to the
said Tract or Parcel of Land and all and singular the premises above
mentioned and every part and Parcel thereof with the Appurtinences unto the
said John Giles his Heirs and Assigns to the only proper use and behoofs of
the said John Giles his Heirs and Assigns forever and the said Lewis
Poythress his Heirs and Assigns the said Tract or Parcel of Land and
Premises above mentioned with every part thereof against him and his Heirs
and against all and every person or Persons whatsoever to the said John
Giles his Heirs Executors Administrators and Assigns shall and will warrant
acquit and forever Defend by these presents
In Witness the said Lewis Poythress have hereunto set his hand Seal the day
and year above written
Sealed Signed & delivered Lewis Poythress (L.S.)
In Presence of
John Nance
William Nance
Isham Nance
Thomas Nance
Edward Giles
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 14th day of September 1801
This Indenture was acknowledged by Lewis Poythress a party thereto and
ordered to be recorded. Teste William Baskervill Ck Cur't		02/06/2009 7:30:04
[POYTHRESS] Ruth Kauffman subscriber?: Lewis Poythress' Nance, Malone, Cleaton, Giles relationsBarbara NealToday in our Poythress List message archives, I located the below-copied
message written by our then-subscriber Ruth Kauffman on 13 Nov 1998, which
message ties together the Nance & Giles names, as well as a Malone, some of
which names include the 4 Nance men who witnessed the 1801 deed I just
posted in which Lewis Poythress sold 100 acres to John Giles.

Ruth, if you are still a subscriber to this List, I'd appreciate hearing
from you again. It is great that you included your Source notes at the
bottom of your message. I'm hoping you or someone else can help, re:

1. Am I correct in understanding that Isham Nance's marriage (about
1730-1735) in the first line of the message, was to Frances Malone? As I
understand your Note at the bottom, Frances Malone's father was Thomas
Malone; can you please give me the Will Book (or other) source for Thomas
Malone's 1797 Will you mention for Mecklenburg Co, VA? (I'm hoping to
determine how Frances was kin to Amey Malone, who was daughter of Drury
Malone and wife of Goodwyn Taylor)

2. Do you have more info (including the dates they lived) for members of the
birth family of Jean Cleaton, who you mentioned was the mother of Edward
Giles, Jr, and the wife of Henry Edward Giles? (As I understand earlier
posts to our List, Jean was a daughter of William Cleaton & Jane Poole, and
two of Jean's 8 siblings were John Cleaton who married Mary Taylor, and
Edith Cleaton who married Meredith Poythress. We knew from William
Cleaton's Will, Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 3 Page 339,dated: Nov. 12, 1791
Recorded: April 11, 1796, and witnessed by James STANDLEY, Senr., William
TAYLOR & James STANDLEY, Junr.)

3. Do you have the dates when "Henry Edward Giles" lived, and the dates his
children lived? I think I correctly understand this Henry Edward Giles was
the same "Edward Giles" whose daughter was Elizabeth or Patsy or
Betsy/Batsey Giles who was the first wife of Lewis Poythress, and the same
Edward Giles whose 1818 Mecklenburg Co, VA will (Will Bk 8, pp 415-6), named
his Grand Daughter Milly Nance; Grandson Edward Poythress; Grandson John
Poythress; Grand Daughter Martha Giles Daughter of my Daughter Betsy P.
Giles; and his then four Living Children Jean P. Basey, John Giles, Edward
Giles, and William Giles, and which will named as Executors Edward Giles,
Jr. and John Basey.

Any clarification would be greatly appreciated. / Barbara
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From: (Ruth Kauffman) Thomas Scott Kauffman Overton)
Subject: Isham Nance and Frances Malone
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 98 01:43:03 -0000

Isham Nance. son of William Nance, Jr and Ann Epes (Epps) daughter of Isham
Epes (Epps) married 1730-1735.(1) Their children were:

- John Nance. Born ca 1769 (1) (2)
- William Nance Born ca 1771 (1)
- Isham Nance Jr. ca 1779 (1) (3)
- Thomas Nance ca 1784 (1)
- Nancy Nance ca 1790 (1)
- Frances M. Nance (3) (4) Born 8 April 1792 Mecklenburg Co. Va Died 12
Nov. 1855 Williamson Co. Tn. Buried in N.P. Giles Cemetery, Choctaw,
Wmson.Co. Tn
Married Edward Giles, Jr, son of Henry Edward Giles and Jean Cleaton, Born
24 Feb. 1779 Va. Died 1 Feb.1858, Flat Creek, Williamson Co. TN (3)

Their children were:
-- Isham L. Giles .born abt 1826 Married 7 July 1861 Wmson Co. TN (second)
Susan E. Wood. 8 Nov. 1856( first) Mary Jane Smithson (4)
-- Mortimer W. Giles,B.19 Dec.1829 Wmson Co. TN Died in prison camp in
Ohio, buried in Confederate Cem. Married Sarah Ann F.B. Lofton 3 Oct. 1850
in Wmson Co. TN.(4) (5)
-- William E Giles married Sarah Ann Young 16 Dec. 1840 in Wmson Co. TN (4)
-- Martha Ann Giles b. 9 Jun 1821 Va.died 20 Sept.1886 Married William N
Smith 8 Jun 1842 in Wmson Co. TN (4)
-- Thomas Perry Giles b. 13 March 1835, Wmson Co. TN. died 9 May 1905
buried in N.P. Giles Cem., Choctaw, Wmson Co., TN married Sarah Jane Pate 5
Feb. Wmson. Co. TN (This is my line I have more if any one is interested.)
(4) (6)
-- Frances Mary Jane Giles, born 15 Apr. 1822 in Va. Died 21 Aug. 1901 in
Wmson Co. TN married her cousin Nicholas Perry Giles 21 Dec. 1848, in Wmson
Co. TN Buried in Family Cem., Choctaw, Wmson Co., TN (4)
-- Elizabeth Giles, born abt 1828 in VA (4)
-- J. Giles born abt 1827 (4)
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NOTES FOR ISHAM NANCE Isham Nance received about 200 acres of land in his
father´s will in Mecklenburg Co. Va (2) Census 1782 Mecklenburg Co Va. Isham
Nance head of household, 3 to 5 houses away from Daniel Malone . Mecklenburg
Co.Va Census 1787 Isham Nance head of household.
NOTES FOR FRANCES MALONE Will of Thomas Malone dated 1797 Mecklenburg Co.
Va. mentions his daughter Fanny Nance.
NOTES FOR EDWARD GILES JR. Will dated 24th Jan 1858. Will lists children
(7).
NOTES FOR FRANCES NANCE. Malone and Allied Families states; Frances M.
Nance married Edward Giles son of Henry Edward Giles.(3)
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SOURCES
1. ANCESTRY.COM jgarner@na.fcic.usda.gov. Gedcom file G675
2. N.L "Pete" Nance, Nance Register 1966
3. R.A.Malone, Malone & Allied Families 2nd.and Revised Ed. Thomasville, Ga.
1966
4. Betty Cason, 6948 Comstock Rd. Spring Hill, TN Family papers.
5. Pat Giles, patgiles2@aol.com
6. Overton Family Bible, Virginia E. Overton Porter
7. Book of Williamson Co. Wills Franklin, Wmson Co.
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Hope this helps some one. / Ruth / kauffman@acnet.net		02/06/2009 8:58:46
[POYTHRESS] 1796 deed John Cleaton to Lewis Poythress, Mecklenburg Co, VABarbara NealThese items transcribed by Bpn from FHL film 32,536 Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed
Book 10, p.62 and p.96. Note: In the original recording of the deed on
p.62 of DB 10, in Apr of 1797, there is no mention of the name of John
Cleaton's wife, Martha Cleaton, and no dower release recorded right then
(which is not unusual). However, 34 pages further, on p.96 of DB 10, her
name appears when it was ordered on 9 Apr 1799 to go and examine her since
she could not conveniently appear. She was examined that same day, and
released her dower right, and the document was recorded in Court on 10 June
1799.
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Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 10, p.62:
Cleaton Snr
to
Poythress
This Indenture made this Second day of March in the year of our Lord
Christ one thousand Seven hundred and ninety Six between John Cleaton and
[blank space] Cleaton his wife of the County of Mecklenburg of the one part
and Lewis Poythress of the Same County of the other part Witnesseth that
the John Cleton [sic] and [blank space] his wife for and in consideration of
the Sum of one hundred and ninety Six dollars Current money of Virginia to
Him in hand paid or so provided for that they do hereby acknowledge
themselves to be fully and entirely Satisfied therewith hath granted
Bargained Sold aliened released and Confirmed and by these presents doth for
themselves and their heirs grant bargain Sell alien release and Confirm unto
the said Lewis Poythress and to his heirs or assigns forever one Certain
tract or parcel of land lying and being in the lower end of Mecklenburg
County on the waters of Great Creek Containing ninety eight acres be it the
Same more or less, and bounded as follows to wit, Beginning at a Sweet gum
on Giles's line on the great Creek, thence along his line to a poplar ash
and maple chopt inwards on the the [sic] long branch, Thence up the Said
branch and meander to a Sweet gum on the Same on the branch, thence a new
line to a Sweet gum on great Creek on John Webb's line, thence up the
meander of the Said Creek to the beginning - To have and to hold the
aforesaid tract or parcel of land with all the improvements, woods, under
woods, waters, and water courses thereon Standing growing and being with all
profits Comodities [sic] advantages and appurtenances whatsoever to the Same
belonging or any ways appurtaining and also the reversion and reversions
remainder and remainders thereof and every part and parcel thereof with
their and every of their appurtenances unto the Said Lewis Poythress his
heirs executors administrators or assigns to the only proper use and behoof
of them the Said Lewis Poythress and his heirs executors, administrators or
assigns forever and they the Said John Cleton [sic] and [blank space] his
wife for themselves and their heirs doth Covenant grant and agree to and
with the Said Lewis Poythress his heirs and assigns that he and They may at
all times hereafter peaceably and quietly hold and enjoy the the [sic] Said
granted land and premises free from all incumberences [sic] whatever from
all former Sales gifts mortgages rights of dower or any other incumberance
[sic] whatever and they the Said John Cleaton and [blank space] his wife and
their heirs Shall and will warrant and forever Defend the title of the Said
granted land and premises - In witness whereof we have hereunto Set our
hands and affixed our Seals day and date above Written
Signed Seal'd and Delivered John Cleaton (LS)
In the presence of
Thomas Watson
John Giles
Edward Giles junr
Isham Nance
Wm Blanton
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At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 10th day of April 1797
This Indenture was proved by the oath of Isham Nance and William Blanton
witnesses thereto and at a Court held for the Same County the 8th [sic] day
of April following the Said Indenture was further proved by the oath of
Thomas Watson another witness thereto and ordered to be recorded.
Examined Teste William Baskervill Clk Crt
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Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 10, p.96:
Cleaton
to
Poythress
The Commonwealth of Virginia to William Davis and James Harwell Gentlemen
Greeting Whereas John Cleaton and Martha Cleaton by their Certain Indenture
of Bargain and Sale bearing date the 2nd day of March 1796 have Sold and
Conveyed unto Lewis Poythress the fee simple estate of and in ninety eight
acres of land be the Same more or less lying and being in the County of
Mecklenburg & Whereas the Said Martha Cleaton cannot conveniently travel to
the Court of the Said County to make acknowledgement of the Said Conveyance
therefore power is given unto you or any two or more of you to receive the
acknowledgement which the Said Martha Cleaton Shall be willing to make
before you of the Conveyance aforesaid Contained in the Said Indenture which
is hereunto annexed and you are therefore commanded that you do personally
go the Said Martha Cleaton and receive her acknowledgment of the Same and
examine her privially [sic] and apart from the Said John Cleaton her husband
whether she doth the Same freely and Voluntarily without his persuasiveness
or threats and whether she be willing that the same Should be received in
the County Court aforesaid and when you have received her acknowledgment and
examined her as aforesaid that you distinctly and openly Certify the Said
Court thereof under your Seals Sending then there this writ Witness William
Baskervill Clerk of our Said Court the 9th day of April 1799 in the 23rd
year of the Commonwealth.
WBaskervill
In Compliance with the within we have this day made application to the
within named Martha Cleaton as herein required and She hath relinquished her
right of dower to the land Contained in the hereunto annexed deed. Given
under our hands and Seals this 9th day of April 1799 and of the Commonwealth
the 23rd.
William Davis (LS)
Jas Horwath (LS)
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 10th day of June 1799
This Commission and the Certificate of the causation thereof being
returned into Court were ordered to be recorded.
Tests William Baskervill Clk Crt		02/06/2009 9:29:20
[POYTHRESS] Poythresses to Cleaton 1848 deed 43.5 acres Mecklenburg Co, VABarbara NealDeed by Lewis Y Poythress & Mary C his wife, and Thomas M Poythress & Lucy J
his wife, to Charles D Cleaton for 43.5 acres of Mecklenburg Co, VA land
bounded by lands of Lucy Ford, David Poythress, and Charles D Cleaton,
transcribed by Bpn from FHL film 32,547 Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 32,
p.465:
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Poythress & wife
To
Cleaton
This Indenture made this third day of January eighteen hundred and forty
Eight Between Lewis Y Poythress and wife Mary C Poythress [&] Thomas M
Poythress and wife Lucy J Poythress of the County of Mecklenburg and state
of Virginia of the one part and Charles D. Cleaton of the County and State
aforesaid of the other part. Witnesseth that the said Lewis Y Poythress [,]
Mary C Poythress [,] Thomas M Poythress and Lucy J Poythress For and in
consideration of the sum of seventy dollars lawful money of Virginia to them
in hand paid paid [sic] by the same Charles D Cleaton at or before the
ensealing and delivery of these presents the receipt whereof is hereby
acknowledged have bargained and sold unto the said Charles D Cleaton his
heirs and assigns, one certain Tract or Parcel of Land lying and being in
the County of Mecklenburg and state of Virginia containing Forty three &
half acres be the same more or less and bounded by the lands of Lucy Ford on
the East, by the Lands of David Poythress on the south, and on the west and
north by the Lands of Charles D Cleaton [,] and the said Lewis Y Poythress
[,] Mary C Poythress [,] Thomas M Poythress and Lucy J Poythress for them
selves and their heirs do warrant and forever defend the title of said Land
with all and singularly its appirtenances to the said Charles D Cleaton and
his heirs forever, against the claim or demands of all and every person
whatsoever. In witness whereof we have hereunto set our hands and affixed
our seals this day & date first above written.
Lewis Y Poythress (seal)
Mary C (her X mark) Poythress (seal)
Thomas M (his X mark) Poythress (seal)
Lucy J. (her X mark) Poythress (seal)
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Mecklenburg County to wit,
We Thomas Wartman and Benjamin H Rogers Justices of the peace in and for
the County aforesaid, do hereby certify that Lewis Y Poythress and Mary C
his wife [,] Thomas M Poythress and Lucy J his wife parties to the within
deed personally appeared before us in our County aforesaid and acknowledged
the same to be their act and deed and desired us to certify the said
acknowledgement to the Clerk of our County Court in order that the said deed
may be recorded. And the said Mary C Poythress and Lucy J Poythress being
examined by us privily and apart from their husbands and having the deed
aforesaid fully explained to them [,] they the said Mary C Poythress and
Lucy J Poythress declared they had willingly signed sealed and delivered the
same and that they wished not to retract it. Given under our hands and seals
this 3rd day of January 1848.
Thos Wartman JP (seal)
Benj H. Rogers JP (seal)
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Mecklenburg County January 6th 1848.
The foregoing deed of Bargain and sale together with the certificate of
acknowledgement and relinquishment of dower thereon endorsed was this day
received in the Clerks office aforesaid and admitted to records. Teste
Richd B. Baptist, C.		02/06/2009 10:50:30
[POYTHRESS] Deed 321.5 acres bought by David Poythress 4 Nov 1852Barbara NealTranscribed for Poythress List by Bpn from FHL film 32,548 Mecklenburg Co,
VA Deed Book 34, pp.87-88:
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p.87
Arnold &
Wife
To
Poythress
This deed made and entered into this the 4th day of November one thousand
eight hundred and fifty two between Hartwell Arnold and Mary M his wife of
the first part and David Poythress of the second part all of the county of
Mecklenburg and State of Virginia - Witnesseth that the said Hartwell Arnold
and Mary M. for and in consideration of the sum of Eleven hundred and
Sixteen dollars to them in hand or secured to be paid by the said David
Poythress the recpt whereof is hereby acknwledged they the said Hartwell
Arnold and Mary M. have this day bargained and Sold and by these presents
doth give grant bargain and sell unto the said David Poythress and his heirs
forever one certain tract or parcel of - lying and being in the county
aforesaid and adjoining the lands of Charles King, Saml Goode, Wright King
and Mansfield Seymore containing by actual Survey, three hundred and
twentyone and half acres, more or less to have and to holde to the only
proper yose [sic] and behoof of him the said Davy Poythress & his heirs
forever the said tract of land containing as aforesaid three hundred and
twenty one and half acres, with all and Singular the appurtenances thereunto
belonging or in any wise appertaining and the Said Hartwell Arnold and Mary
M. his wife do for theselves and there [sic] heirs, forever warrant and
defend unto the said Davy Poythress and his heirs forever, the aforesaid
tract of land with all and Singular the appertenances thereunto belonging or
in any wise appurtaining free from the claim of them the said Hartwell
Arnold and Mary M and his wife and free from the claim or claims off [sic]
all and every other person or persons whatsoever -- witnesseth the following
Signatures and Seals
Hartwell Arnold (seal)
Mary M. Arnold (seal)
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State of Virginia Mecklenburg County towit -
We Charles R. Edmonson and William Y Pennington Justices of the peace for
the County aforesaid in the State of Virginia do certify that Hartwell
Arnold and Mary M. his wife whose names are signed to the foregoing writing
bearing date the 4th of November 1852 - have acknowledged the same before us
in our County aforesaid - Given under our hands this the 4th day of November
1852-
C.R. Edmonson J.P.
Wm Y Pennington J.P.
==p.88
State of Virginia Mecklenburg County towit
We Charles R. Edmonson and William Y. Pennington, Justices of the peace
for the county of Mecklenburg in the State of Virginia do certify that Mary
M. Arnold the wife of Hartwell Arnold whose names are signed to the
foregoing writing bearing date the 4th day of November 1852 personally
appeared before us in the county aforesaid and being examined by us privily
and apart from her husband and having the writing aforesaid fully explained
to her, she the said Mary M Arnold acknowledged the said writing to be her
act and declared that she had willingly executed the same and does not wish
to retract it - Given under our hands this the 4th of November 1852 -
C. R. Edmonson J.P.
W. Y. Pennington J.P.
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Mecklenburg County Clerks office 10th of November 1852 -
The foregoing deed of bargain and Sale together with the certificates of
acknowledgement and relinquishment thereon endorsed was this day received in
the clerks office aforesaid and admitted to record -
Teste Richd B. Baptist C.C.		02/07/2009 2:35:53
[POYTHRESS] Deed 321.5 acres sold by David Poythress 16 Dec 1856 Mecklenburg Co VABarbara NealTranscribed for Poythress List by Bpn from FHL film 32,548, Mecklenburg Co,
VA Deed Book 35, p.233:
Poythress
& wife
To
Morse
This deed Made the 16th of December 1856 between David Poythress and Sally
Poythress his wife of the one part and Oswald M Morse of the other part, all
of Mecklenburg County Virginia - Witnesseth that the said David Poythress
and Sallie his wife have bargained and sold unto the said Oswald M Morse in
Consideration of the sum of Eleven hundred and fifty dollars [,] six hundred
dollars in hand paid the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged [&] Five
hundred and Fifty Dollars Now due to be paid on the 1st day of January 1858
- a certain tract or parcel of Land Situated and lying in the County of
Mecklenburg Virginia Containing three hundred and Twenty one and a half
acres More or less bounded by the Land of Charles King decd [,] Paschal
Bracey [,] Mrs. Mary E. Goode and others and immediately on the St Tamany
Road to the [North?] [And?] ditto Said Land the said David Poythress and
Sallie his wife hereby warrant and defend Witness the following signatures
and seals
David (his x mark) Poythress (seal)
Sarah M ..Poythress (seal)
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Mecklenburg County To Wit
I, Wm H Harriss a Justice of the peace for the County aforesaid do
Certify that David Poythress appeared before Me and Made full Relinquishment
of all Claims to the Land above Mentioned in this paper
Given under My hand this the 16th day of December 1856 Wm H Harriss J.P.
=
Mecklenburg County
State of Virginia
To wit
We Wm H Harriss and [G? or P?] M King Justices of the peace for the
aforesaid County in the state of Virginia do Certify that Sallie Poythress
the wife of David Poythress whose names are signed to the annexed writing
bearing date on the 16th day of December 1856 personally appeared before us
in the County aforesaid and being examined by us privily and apart from her
husband and having the writing aforesaid fully explained to her she the said
Sallie Poythress acknowledged the said Writing to be her act and declared
that she had willingly executed the Same and does not wish to Retract it.
Given under our hands this 16th day of December 1856
Wm H Harris J.P.
[G? or P?] M. King
=
Mecklenburg County Clerks office 16th February 1857
The foregoing deed of bargain and sale together with the Certificates of
acknowledgment and Relinquishment of dower thereon endorsed was this day
Received in the Clerk's office aforesaid and admitted to Record.
Exe'd & Deliv'd Teste Richard B Baptist, Clk		02/07/2009 2:36:55
[POYTHRESS] David Poythress 1852 deed 143.5 acres to Chas Cleaton MecklenburgBarbara NealTranscribed by Bpn from FHL film 32,548 Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 34,
pp.75-77:
= =
p.75
Poythress
& Wife
To
Cleaton
This Indenture made the 27th day of August 1852- Between David Poythress
and Sarah his wife of the County of Mecklenburg and State of Virginia of the
one part and Charles Cleaton of the county and State aforesaid of the other
part witnesseth that the said David Poythress and Sarah his wife in
consideration of the sum of two hundred and eighty Seven dollars of Lawfull
= = p.76
money of this Commonwealth to them in hand paid by the said Charles Cleaton
at or before the ensealing and delivery of these presents the receipt
whereof is hereby acknowledged have bargained and sold unto the said Charles
Cleaton his heirs and assigns a certain tract or parcel of land lying and
being in the County and State aforesaid Containing one hundred and forty
three and a half acres more or less - Bounded as follows - Viz+ on the north
by Charles Cleaton [,] on the west by Thomas Poythress [,] on the south by
Richd King and on the East by Jno Rainey together with all the Singular
Houses Meadows pasturs woods underwoods privileges profits easements
commodities advantages emoluments and appurtenances whatsoever to the said
Chas Cleaton belonging or appertaining or with the same use and enjoyed or
accepted expected or Known as part parcel or members thereof or as belonging
to the same or any part thereof and the reversion and reversions remainder
and remainders yearley and other rents and profits thereof and of every part
and parcel thereof - To have and to hold the said land with the tenements
hereditaments and all and Singular, Other the premises hereon before
mentioned or intended to be bargained and Sole [sic] and every part and
parcel thereof with every of their rights members appurtenances unto the
said Chas Cleaton his heirs and assigns forever, Y. and for the only proper
use and behoof of him the said Chas Cleaton his heirs and assigns forever
and the said David Poythress and Sarah his wife for themselves and their
heirs the said tract or parcel of land with all and Singular the premises
and appurtenances before mentioned unto the said Chas Cleaton his heirs and
assigns free from the Claim or Claims of their the said David Poythress and
Sarah his wife or others of them or theirs or either of their heirs and of
all and every person whatsoever shall will and do warrant and forever defend
by these presents in witness whereof the said David Poythress and Sarah his
wife have hereunto set their hands and seals the day and year first above
written.
David (his x mark) Poythress (Seal)
Sarah marKs Poythress (seal)
=
Mecklenburg County to wit
We Saml. H. Good and Jas S. Moss Justices of the peace for County
aforesaid do hereby certify that David Poythress a party to the within deed
personally appeared before us in our County aforesaid and acknowledged the
same to be his act and deed and desired us to certify the said
adknowledgedment to the Clerk of the County Court of Mecklenburg, in order
that the said deed may be recorded Given under our hands and seals this
27th day of August- 1852-
Saml. H. Good, J.P.(seal)
Jas. S. Moss, J.P.(seal)
=
Mecklenburg County to wit
We Saml. H. Good and James S. Moss Justices of the peace in the County
aforesaid in the State of Va do hereby certify that Sarah the wife of David
Poythress parties to a certain deed bearing date on the 27th day of August
1852 and hereunto annexed personally appeared before us privately and apart
from her husband and having the deed aforesaid fully explained to her the
said David [sic; should be Sarah] Poythress acknowledged the same to be act
and deed and declared that She had willingly Signed sealed and delivered the
same and that she wished not to retract it- Given under our hands and seals
this 27th dy of August -1852-
Saml. H. Good, J.P.(seal)
James S. Moss, J.P.(seal)
= =p.77
Mecklenburg County Clerks Office 20th Sept 1852-
The foregoing deed of bargain and Sale together with the certificates of
acknowledgement and relinquishment of dower thereon endorsed was this day
received in the Clerks office aforesaid [marked out here are the words "was
this day"] and admitted to record. Teste Richd B. Baptist C.C.		02/07/2009 5:10:15
[POYTHRESS] Martha E Walker was not wife of a Lewis PoythressBarbara NealJohn Vogt's book, "Virginia Historic Marriage Register: Mecklenburg County
Marriages, 1765-1853" listed two marriages for Martha E Walker, both in July
1846, one of which prompted some discussion on this list, and was apparently
aa erroneous listing. This entry showed Martha E Walker in Jul 1846 married
a Lewis Poythress, by minister James McAden, but no bondsman or consent was
listed for this marriage.

I'm convinced this was an error, since

(1) Rebecca B Taylor, in April 1802 became the 2nd wife of the senior Lewis
Poythress. Rebecca B Poythress was still alive until at least Oct 1852, and
she still had dower interest in Lewis' 98 acres of Mecklenburg Co, VA land
until she was a party in selling it, with their son Thomas M Poythress to
Charles D Cleaton in Oct 1852 (See today's posting to this List of that Oct
1852 deed for 98 acres).

(2) Further we know Martha E Walker was not married to Lewis Y Poythress
(son of Rebecca B Taylor & Lewis Poythress). Lewis Y Poythress married Mary
C Ferguson -- also in July 1846, on July 20th (which could have caused July
1846 recording confusion by minister James McAden). Bondsman for Lewis Y
Poythress' marriage to Mary C Ferguson was William A(rcher) Dortch. Mary C
Ferguson was still married to Lewis Y Poythress at the time of the Jan 1848
deed by L Y Poythress & his brother Thos M Poythress & both of their wives
to Chas D Cleaton for 43.5 acres bounded in part by David Poythress (See
yesterday's posting to this List of that Jan 1848 deed). Mary continues to
be listed with L Y Poythress in the censuses of 1850 and 1860 when they were
listed in Hicksford (later Emporia), Greensville Co, VA; and in the census
of 1870 when they were listed in Belfield Twp of Greensville Co, VA. By the
1880 census, apparently L Y Poythress had died, since Mary C was listed as
an aunt in a household headed by a Thomason in Hicksford.

For Martha E Walker's correctly-listed marriage, Vogt shows she and Anthony
Evans were married by minister James McAden, in Jul 1846, with bondsman
David R Walker (no relationship stated), and with consent given by her
mother Elizabeth Walker. Martha Elizabeth Walker was born 15 Sep 1828 (thus
making her under age and requiring marriage consent) per June Banks Evans'
book, "Anthony Evans of Colonial Southside Virginia - Lines of Banks,
Blackwell, Bugg, Burnett, Davis Evans Fox, Ingram, Mathews, Smith, Walker -
A Sourcebook for Related Materials" publ 1983 by Bryn Ffyliaid Publications,
in New Orleans, LA. Martha's parents and siblings (including her oldest
brother, David R Walker who was bondsman) of this Martha E Walker and the 5
children she had with Anthony Evans, are covered in this book.		02/07/2009 9:23:39
[POYTHRESS] Deed Oct 1852 Poythress to Cleaton 98 acresBarbara NealTranscribed by Bpn from FHL film 32,548 Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 34,
pp.85-86. Bpn notes that Rebecca B Poythress was mother of Thomas M
Poythress; she was a party of this deed due to the dower interest she had in
it, since this land had been owned by her husband Lewis Poythress ever since
1796 when he had bought it from John Cleaton (with dower released by John's
wife Martha). (Rebecca's husband Lewis Poythress had died before 12 Jul
1848, when their son, and Thomas' brother, Lewis Y Poythress made a Deed of
Trust which mentioned Lewis Poythress as deceased.)
= =
p.85
Poythress &
Wife
To
Cleaton
This Indenture made this 16th day of October 1852-- between Thomas M
Poythress and Lucy J his wife and Rebecca B Poythress of the county of
Mecklenburg and State of Virginia of the one part and Chas D. Cleaton of the
same County and State of the other part. Witnesseth that the said Thomas M
Poythress and Lucy J his wife and Rebecca B Poythress in consideration of
the sum of one hundred and sixty four dollars and Thirty eight cents of
lawfull money of Virginia to them in hand paid by the said Chas D. Cleaton
at or before ensealing and delivery of these presents - the receipt whereof
is hereby acknowledged have sold unto the said Chas D. Cleaton his heirs and
assigns one certain tract or parcel of land lying and being in the county of
Mecklenburg and State of Virginia containing ninety eight acres be the same
more or less and bounded by the lands of Chas D. Cleaton on the north &
East, and by the lands of Rebecca or Richard King on the South and west and
the said Thomas M. Poythress and Lucy J. his wife and Rebecca B. Poythress
for themselves and their heirs the said tract or parcel of land with all and
Singular the premises and appurtenances before mentioned unto the said Chas
D. Cleaton his heirs and assigns free from the Claim or Claims of them the
said Thos M. Poythress and Lucy J. his wife and Rebecca B. Poythress or
either of them or their heirs and of all and every other person or persons
whatsoever shall will and do warrant and forever defend by these presents -
in witness whereof the said Thomas M. Poythress and Lucy J. his wife and
Rebecca B. Poythress have hereunto set their hands and Seals this day and
year first above written.
Thomas M (his x mark) Poythress (Seal)
Lucy J (her x mark) Poythress (seal)
Rebecca B (her x mark) Poythress (seal)
=
Mecklenburg County to wit
We Thomas Wartman and J.B. Northington Justices of the peace for the
county aforesaid do hereby certify that Thomas M Poythress and Rebecca B.
Poythress parties to the within deed bearing date the 16th day of October
1852 - personally appeared before us in our County aforesaid and
acknowledged the same to be their act and deed and desired us to certify the
said ackowledgement to the clerk of our County Court in order that the said
deed may be recorded - Given under our hands and seals this 16 day of
October 1852 -
Thomas Wartman J.P.(seal)
J.B. Northington J.P.(seal)
= =p.86
Mecklenburg County towit
We Thomas Wartman and J.B. Northington Justices of the peace for the
county aforesaid and State of Virginia do hereby certify that Lucy J.
Poythress the wife of Thomas M. Poythress parties to the within deed bearing
date the 16th day of October 1852 personally appeared before us in our
county aforesaid and being examined by us privily and apart from her husband
and having the deed aforesaid fully explained to her she the said Lucy J.
Poythress acknowledged the same to be her act and deed and declared she had
willing signed sealed and delivered the same, and that she wished not to
retract it.
Given under our hands and seals this 16th day of October 1862-
Thomas Wartman J.P.(seal)
J.B. Northington J.P.(seal)
=
Mecklenburg County Clerks office 18th of October 1852-
The foregoing deed of bargain and sale together with the certificates of
acknowledgement and relinquishment thereon endorsed was this day received in
the clerks Office aforesaid and admitted to record.
Teste Richd. B. Baptist C.C.		02/07/2009 9:23:59
[POYTHRESS] Deed 1816 to Lewis Poythress from Harwell 138 acres by late survey MecklenburgBarbara NealTranscribed by Bpn from film 1,870,880 Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 16,
pp.230-231 [Note: the spelling shown, is as it appears in the original -- I
didn't use "sic" every time it could have been used to indicate now-odd
spelling; I mainly used it just to show the various spellings of our surname
that appeared throughout the document]:
==
p.230 bottom:
Harwell
To
Poythress
This Indenture made this twenty sixth day of April Eighteen hundred and
sixteen between Greif Harwell and Ann his wife of the one part and Lewis
Poythress of the other part Witnesseth that the said Greif Harwell for and
in consideration of the sum of Five hundred and seventyfive dollars to them
in hand paid by the said Lewis Pothress [sic] the receipt whereof he doth
hereby acknowledge hath given granted bargined sold aliend enfeoffed and
confirmed and do by these presents give grant bargain sell alien enfeoff
==p.231
and confirm unto the said Lewis Pothress [sic] his heirs and assigns forever
one certain tract or parcel of Land Lying and being the County of
Mecklenburg containing by late survey one hundred and thirty Eight acres
bounded as followeth to wit beginning at a Spanish oak in Poytreess [sic]
line thence North 52 degrees East 102 poles to his corner post oak in Basses
line on pretty branch thence N 82 W 112 to [poll? or ??] to William
Cleaton corner blackjack N 12 E 9 pole to a post oak in Cleatons line N 82
E 108 pole to Isham Nances corner blackjack south & West 66 pole to Nances
corner Sickamore in the plum [or plain?] orchard south 72 W 20 pole to a
horne beam on the Creek thence down the said Creek to a poplar in the widow
dower thence N 74 E 124 pole to a corner pine near the [drane?] bars thence
South 76 E 84 pole to the beginning including the aforesaid quantity of
one hundred and thirty eigh[t] acres of Land be the same more of less To
have and to hold the aforesaid tract or parcel of Land together with all and
singular the advantages and priviledges thereunto blonging or in any way
appurtaining to him the said Lewis Poytress [sic] and his heirs forever and
the said Greif Harwell for himself his heires do and will forever warrant &
defend the said tract or parcel of Land to the said Lewis Pothress [sic] his
heires and assigns so fare as the right is invested in them by said
Commissioners against the claim or claimes of any person or persons claiming
under them In witness we have hereunto set our hands & seales the day and
year above written
Signed sealed & Delivered
in presence of
Greif Harwell (seal)
Ann (her Ah. mark) Harwell (seal
=
Mecklenburg County to wit
We Edward Travis and Samuel Goode Magistrates of the said County do hereby
certify that Greif Harwell and Ann his wife a party to the foregoing
conveyance hath duly acknowledged the same before us on the 26th day of
April 1816 and desired us to certify the said acknowledgement to the Clerk
of the County court of Mecklenburg in order that the said conveyance may be
recorded as witness our hands and seales this 26th day of April 1816
Edward Travis (seal)
Samuel Goode (seal)
=
This Indenture and the certificate of the acknowledgement of Greif Harwell
party thereto was delivered in at the clerks office of Mecklenburg County
the 20th day of May 1816 to be recorded
Teste Edward S Tabb Ck
=
Mecklenburg County to wit
We Edward Travis & Samuel Goode Justices of the peace for the County
aforesaid do hereby certify that Ann the wife of Greif Harwell parties to
the foregoing conveyance of a tract of Land to Lewis Poythress bearing date
the 26 day of April 1816 pearsonally appeared before us in our county
aforesaid and being examined by us privily and apart from her husband and
haveing the deed fully explained to her she the said Ann Harwell
acknowledged the same to be her act and deed and declared that she had
willingly signed sealed and delivered the same and that she wished not to
retract it. Given under our hands & seales this 26th day of April 1816.
Edward Travis (seal)
Samuel Goode (seal)		02/08/2009 1:28:20
[POYTHRESS] Deed 1845 by Lewis Poythress to 2 youngest sons stock & 140 acres by estimation MecklenburgBarbara NealWe have previously had only info abstracted from this, likely due to the
challenging handwriting. Here's the whole thing.

Transcribed by Bpn from FHL film 1,870,885 Mecklenburg Book 31, p.605:
= =
Poythress
Bill Sale To
Poythress
Know all men by these presents that I Lewis Poythress Sr. for and in
consideration of My natural Estimation & Love for my two Youngest sons Lewis
& Thomas Poythress & in the further consideration of the sum of one dollar
to me in hand paid by them, the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged do
give unto my sons above named one tract of Land containing by estimation one
hundred and forty acres is sd bounded as follows (Viz) by the Land of
Charles D Cleaton & John Giles & David Poythress [,] Williamson Rainey Sr
together with one yoke of Oxen one cow & calf Ox cart 1 box furniture
Stock of hogs & plantation tools to them and their heirs forever free from
the claim or claims of all and every person whatsoever Upon the condition
however that my said Sons Lewis & Thomas do bond themselves to keep me the
said Lewis Poythress & my wife Rebecca Poythress free from want the
remainder of our lives from the [advising? or adversity? or??] of the above
named Land & other property -- In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my
hand & seal this 14th day of September 1845
Lewis (his + mark) Poythress (seal)
Lewis Y Poythress (seal)
Thomas (his + mark) M Poythress (seal)
=
Mecklenburg County to wit
We James M. Harwell and Benj H Rogers Justices of the peace in the County
aforesaid in the state of Virginia do hereby certify that Lewis Poythress
Lewis Y Poythress & Thomas M Poythress parties to a certain deed bearing
date on the 14th day of September 1844 [sic] and hereto annexed personally
appeared before us in our county aforesaid and acknowledged the same to be
their act and deed and desired us to certify the same acknowledgement to the
Clerk of the County Court of Mecklenburg in order that the new deed may be
recorded -- Given under our hand and seals this 14th day of Sepbr 1845
[Note: the "5" of the year was written over an earlier "4" to clarify the
date as 1845]
James M Harwell JP (seal)
Benj H Rogers JP (seal)
=
Mecklenburg County Clerks office 18th October 1845
The foregoing bill of sale together with the certificate of acknowledgement
thereon endorsed was this day received in the clerks office aforesaid and
admitted to record.
Teste R B Baptist C.		02/08/2009 1:30:22
[POYTHRESS] New e-mail addressSarah PoythressPlease make a note of my new e-mail address:
dpoythress@embarqmail.com

Sarah Poythress



02/10/2009 1:45:15
Re: [POYTHRESS] An obscure film yields a Taylor deed from April 1810John M. PoythressAha...so Lewis and Meredith, Sr. married the Cleaton sisters,
Martha and Edith respectively. Julie, looks like that 1824-
084 Chancery is going to have some "yield."

Thanks,
Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
Julie Cabitto
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 8:46
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] An obscure film yields a Taylor deed from April 1810

Thanks Barbara! I recently got a chancery on Goodwyn Taylor that I still need to read and
process. I had not seen this record, so greatly appreciated. I did want to point out that
Edmund Taylor in my opinion has to be Rebecca Taylor's brother. Because in the chancery,
in his deposition, he specifically states that he is the son of Rebecca Dortch married to
David Taylor. Also, I can't remember exactly, I need to pull the case out, but I think
Edmund also specifically stated that Rebecca, the wife of Lewis Poythress was his sister.
Edmund and Rebecca are both in this chancery. This chancery is the first I had ever seen
mentioning Edmund Taylor. The chancery case I am referencing where Edmund gave this
deposition was:
Chancery Case: Mecklenburg County, Virginia: case# 1824-084 Rebecca Taylor v. Adms. David
Dortch the younger, box 248

Thanks,
Julie Cabitto
----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara Neal
To: Julie Cabitto ; Poythress
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:15 PM
Subject: An obscure film yields a Taylor deed from April 1810


Julie & I have periodically been delving in related lines (including Cleaton, Dortch,
and Taylor) to try to better understand which Poythresses and others were which.

The other day, while hunting for potential obscure Mecklenburg microfilms, I decided to
review one that sounded potentially helpful re my gg-grandfather, James E. Poythress, who
was born in Mecklenburg Co, VA in 1803.

While I did not find any Poythress, I do want to make the below April 1810 Taylor deed
available for the potential help it may give (and get it archived, thanks to being on our
List, for others to be able to utilize it). I note that Goodwyn Taylor, who is mentioned
in the land description, and Edmon Taylor, one of the witnesses, were both related to
Lewis Poythress' 2nd wife Rebecca B. Taylor. (Rebecca B. Taylor was the daughter of
Rebecca Dortch & David Taylor -- David was brother of the deceased James below; an elder
Goodwyn Taylor was another brother, and had a son Goodwyn. Edmon/Edmund Taylor may have
been a brother of Rebecca B. Taylor since he served as Administrator for her mother's
estate -- the estate of Rebecca nee Dortch Taylor, who had died sometime before the 16 May
1823 Inventory and Appraisal of her Estate was done by Henry Walker, Thomas W Walker, and
Wm Bennett, and signed by "his mark" by her Administrator, Edmund Taylor -- as shown in
Mecklenburg Co, V!
A Will Book 10, pp.8-9 for the estate's Inventory & p.305 for the estate's Accounting,
found in Family History Library film #32,521.

Family History Library microfilm #1,870,870, item #3, is of "Mecklenburg Co, VA
Fragments from Superior Court Deed Book 1 for 1810-1813 + 1824 (only 14 pp total)."
Transcribed 4 Feb 2009 from first page of entries in this volume following its internal
index.
Taylor, Exor
to
Goode
This indenture made the 3d day of April 1810 Between James Taylor Executor of the Last
Will and Testament of his father James Taylor Late of the County of Mecklenburg deceased
of the one part and Samuel Goode of the same County of the other part. Witnesseth that
the dec'd James Taylor Executor aforesaid in consideration of the Sum of five hundred
Dollars to him in hand paid by the said Samuel Goode at and before the ensealing and
Delivery of these presents, the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged hath granted
bargained and Sold and doth by these presents grant bargain Sell also enfeoff and confirm
unto the said Samuel Goode his heirs and assigns forever a certain tract or parcel of Land
lying and being in the said County of Mecklenburg on the east side of Flat Creek
containing one hundred acres be the Same more or less and bounded as followeth via By the
said creek on the west thence along Goodwyn Taylor's line to the wolf pit branch thence
down the said branch to Am!
brose Vaughans line thence along his line to Daniel Daly's line thence along his line to
the said Goods former line and thence along that line to flat Creek. To have and to hold
the said land and premises its tenements and hereditaments its rents appurtaining with all
and every of their rights and members to and for the only proper use and behoof of him the
said Samuel Goode his heirs and assigns forever and the said James Taylor executor as
aforesaid the Said tract or parcel of Land with all and Singular the premises and
appurtenances thereunto belonging or in any manner appurtaining unto the said Samuel Goode
his heirs and assigns free from the claim or claims of him the said James Taylor and of
all and every person or persons whatsoever Shall and will warrant & forever defend by
these presents In witness whereof the Said James Taylor hath hereunto set his hand and
affixed his seal this day and year first above written.
James Taylor Exor (L.S.)
Signed Sealed acknowledged and
Delivered in presence of
Caleb Johnston
Jas Harrison
Edmon (his mark) Taylor
At a Superior Court held for Mecklenburg County the 3d day of April 1810 This
Indenture was acknowledged by James Taylor Executor of James Taylor Dec'd a party thereto
and ordered to be Recorded. Teste William Baskervill Ck cur't

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Re: [POYTHRESS] An obscure film yields a Taylor deed from April 1810Barbara NealUmm, Maynard, I suspect from your below message of last night, you may have
confused something (maybe something from someone off-List that none of us
have seen?) in trying to catch up on too many emails at once after y'all got
your power back. This stream didn't mention anything about any Martha
Cleaton. (Or any Martha, for that matter.)

This message stream was about Taylor documents mainly, and how Edmun/Edmond
Taylor was the sibling of Rebecca B. Taylor (2nd wife of Lewis Poythress).
She was daughter of David Taylor & Rebecca Dortch (and that Rebecca Dortch
was daughter of the elder David Dortch).

Lewis' first wife was Betsy Giles, daughter of Edward Giles & Edward Giles'
wife Jeane Cleaton. (Giles' wife Jeane Cleaton was daughter of William
Cleaton who was married to Jane Poole; Jeane had brothers Poythress Cleaton
& John & Thomas, and sisters Edith who married Meredith Poythress; Martha;
Mary; Lucy who married a Matthews; Judith who married a Wilkinson; and Nancy
who married a Pointer.)

So neither of Lewis Poythress' wives were Cleatons, though Lewis' first
mother-in-law was Jeane (nee Cleaton) Giles.

Certainly your comment about the Chancery case having some yield is
spot-on. All these Chancery cases are good fertile field.

Cheers,
Barbara

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:05 PM, John M. Poythress wrote:

> Aha...so Lewis and Meredith, Sr. married the Cleaton sisters,
> Martha and Edith respectively. Julie, looks like that 1824-
> 084 Chancery is going to have some "yield."
>
> Thanks,
> Maynard		02/12/2009 1:08:44
[POYTHRESS] 1848 Deed of Trust Lewis Y Poythress, Williamsson Pearson, David PoythressBarbara NealThe transcription below is re-copied from part of a message I posted to our
Poythress List on 12 Aug 1998. This week I searched in vain for the bond
this document mentions ("as will more fully appear by bond bearing date the
25th day of Decr., last").

Transcribed by Bpn from FHL film 1,870,885 (a more recent filming than
32,547) Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 32, pp.
537-538, beginning near the bottom of p. 537: [Note that in the original,
Williamsson M. Pearson's name is abbreviated as "Wmsson" with the "m" being
up high, near the top of the "W" and the double-s-set letter which looked
like a modern script lowercase "p." All spellings and punctuation here are
as in the original, including the variations in spelling of David's and
Lewis' last name.]
* * *
p.537
Poythress
To
Poythress
This indenture made this the 12th day of July 1848 between Lewis Y.
Poythress of the first part, Wmsson M. Pearson of the second part, and
David Poytress of the third part: Whereas the said Lewis Y. Poythress is
justly indebted to the said David Poythress in the sum of forty five
dollars, as will more fully appear by bond bearing date the 25th day of
Decr., last, which the sd Lewis Y. Poythress is willing and desirous to
secure:: Now this Indenture witnesseth, that for and in consideration of
the premises and also for the further sum of one dollar lawful money of Va
to the sd L.Y. Poytress in hand paid by the said Wmsson M. Pearson at and
before the sealing and delivery of these presents, the receipt whereof is
hereby acknowledged, he the sd L.Y. Poythress hath sold released &
confirmed by these presents to Wmsson M. Pearson his heirs &c forever all
his interest in the
==p.538
tract of land whereon the sd Poythress now resides containing 100 acres
more or less to gether with his interest in one youke of oxen (being the
land &c conveyed by Lewis Poythress decd to sd L.Y. & Thomas Poythress)
lying & being in the county of Mecklenburg & state of Virginia, with all
the appertenances thereunto belonging: to have and to hold the same forever
and the said Lewis Y. Poytress further on his part doth agree to warrant &
defend forever the said land &c to sd Wmsson M. Pearson his heirs &c; upon
trust nevertheless that the said Pearson his heirs &c shall permit the sd
L.Y. Poythress to remain in possession of the sd Land &c & take the
profits thereof, until default be made of the payment aforesaid sum of
forty five dollars or any part thereof and then upon further trust that he
or his legal representatives shall and will so soon after the happening of
such default of payment as he or they may think proper or the sd D.
Poytress his heirs &c may direct sell the said lands &c for ready money at
publick auction after having fixed the time and place of sale at his or
their own discretion and given ten days notice thereof at the most publick
places in the county aforesaid, and out of the monies arising from such
sale shall after satisfying the charges thereof and all other expenses
attending this deed, pay to the said David Poytress the said sum of forty
five dollars with the legal interest thereon and the balance if any shall
pay to the said Lewis Y. Poythress, his heirs &c: but if the whole of the
said sum of forty five dollars with interest &c shall be fully paid of by
the sd L.Y. Poythress his heirs &c when demand of payment shall be made so
that no default of payt be made then this indenture to be void or else to
remain in full force and virtue:
In witness whereof the parties to these presents have hereunto set their
hands and affixed their seals the day and year first above written
Lewis Y. Poythress (seal)
Wmsson M. Pearson (seal)
=
Mecklenburg County court 17th July 1848
The foregoing deed Trust was acknowledged by Lewis Y. Poy-
tress a party thereto to be his act and and [sic] ordered to be recorded
Teste Richd B. Baptist Clk		02/12/2009 1:25:50
[POYTHRESS] 1842 Deed 100 acres David Poythress to Wm H Moon & Moon's Deed of TrustBarbara NealBy combining the descriptions of the land in these two documents, we know
more about this 100 acres "bounded by the lands of Lewis Poytress,
Williamson Rainey senr; Len Thomas and others being the tract or parcel of
land formerly owned by Winn Thomas dced" AND we know the 100 acres is "lying
and being in lower end of the County Mecklenburg Virginia"

Transcribed by Bpn from FHL film 1,870,884 (a more recent filming than film
32,545) Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 29, pp.459-462 are two documents:
(1) Deed from David E Poythress & wife Mary S, to William H Moon
(2) Moon's Deed of Trust

==
p.459
Poytress & ux
to
Moon
This Indenture made and entered into this Twelfth day of January One
Thousand Eight Hundred and forty two between David E. Poytress and Mary S.
his wife of the one part and William H. Moon of the other part all of the
County of Mecklenburg & State of Virginia, Witnesseth: that the said David
E. Poytress and Mary S. His wife: For and in consideration of the sum of
Three hundred Dollars to them in hand paid or secured to be paid, by the
said William H. Moon the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged, have
granted, bargain and sold, and by these presents do grant, bargain and sell
unto the said William H. Moon and his heirs forever: one certain tract or
parcel of land, lying and being the the County aforesaid, containing by
estimation one hundred acres be the same more or less, and bounded by the
lands of Lewis Poytress, Williamson Rainey senr; Len Thomas and others
being the tract or parcel of land formerly owned by Winn Thomas dced: - To
have and to hold the said tract or parcel of land, with all and singular the
rights, priviledges, advantags & Emoluments to the same belonging or in any
wise appertaining, to the only proper use and behoof of the said William H.
Moon and his heirs or assigns forever and the said David E. Poytress and
Mary S. his wife for themselves and their heirs doe by these presents
covenant and agree with the said William H. Moon and his heirs that they
will warrant and forever defend the right and title of the said tract or
parcel Land to the said William H. Moon and his heirs or assigns against
them and their heirs, or the claim or demand of any person or persons
whatever - In testimony whereof the said Devid E. Poytress and Mary S. his
wife have hereunto set their hands and affixed their seals the day and date
first written.
Signed sealed & delivered
in presence of
David (his x mark) Poytress (seal)
Mary S. Poytress (seal)
=
Mecklenburg Cty, towit:
We Chr Haskins and John Young Justices of the peace in the county
aforesaid in the state of Virginia, doe hereby certify that David E.
Poytress and Mary S. Poytress parties to a certain Deed bearing date the
12th day Jany 1842 and hereunto annexed -
==p.460
personally appeared before us in our county aforesaid and acknowledged The
same to be their act and deed and desired us to certify the said
acknowledgment to the clerk of the county court Mecklenburg, in order that
the said deed may be recorded - Given under our hands & seals this 12th day
of Jany 1842.
Chr Haskins J.P.
John Young J.P.
=
Mecklenburg Cty, towit:
We Chr. Haskins & John Young, Justices of the peace in the County
aforesaid, n the state of Virginia, doe hereby certify that Mary S. Poytress
wife of David E. Poytress parties to a certain deed for the conveyance of
real estate bearing date the 12th day of January 1842, and hereunto annexed
personally appeared before us in our County aforesaid and being examined by
us privily and apart from her husband and having the deed aforesaid fully
explained to her she the said Mary S. Poytress acknowledged the same to be
her act and deed and declares that she had willingly signed the same, and
wished not to retract it. Given under our hands & seals This 12th day Jany
1842 -
Chr. Haskins J.P. (seal)
John Young J.P. (seal)
=
Mecklenburg County Clerks Office 21st February 1842 -
The foregoing Deed of bargain and sale together with the certificates of
acknowledgment and relinquishment of Dower thereon endorsed was this day
received in the Clerks Office aforesaid and pursuant to an act of Assembly
in such cases made and provided is admitted to record.
Teste R.B. Baptist, C.
= =
= =[Note: next on p.460 appears an indenture for "Gardner & ux to Skipwith"
which extends through most of p.461. Then near the bottom of p.461 appears
the following Moon to Poytress item]
=
p.461
Moon
to
Poytress
This Indenture made and entered into this 15th day of January in the year
of our Lord One thousand Eight hundred and forty two between William H. Moon
of the first part and David E. Poytress of the second part and Matthew
Williams & Evans Tanner appointed trustees of the third part. Witnesseth
that whereas the said William H. Moon is justly indebted to the said David
E. Poytress in the sum of Two hundred Dollars by bonds or notes bearing date
with this indenture, one for the sum of One hundred Dollars payable 25th
Decr: 1842 -- & one for the sum of one hundred Dollars payable the 25th
Decr: 1843 and whereas the said William H. Moon is desirous to assure
==p.462
the payment of the said debt and interest, together with all charges
attending the same or incurred by reason of the premises, by conveying the
property herein after mentioned unto the same Matthew Williams & Evans
Tanner Trustees, Now therefore this Indenture witnesseth that the said
William H. Moon in consideration of the premises and of the sum of one
Dollar to him in hand paid, the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged, hath
bargained and sold, confirmed and made over, and doth by these presents
bargain and sell, confirm and make over unto the said Matthew Williams &
Evans Tanner Trustees, the following property, towit: one certain tract or
parcel of land containing by estimation one hundred acres more or less,
bounded by the lands - Lewis Poytress, Williamson Rainey senr: Len Thomas &
others lying and being in lower end of the County Mecklenburg Virginia - To
have and to hold the property aforesaid unto the said Matthew Williams and
Evans Tanner Trustees, their heirs, Executors, administrators or assigns, in
trust and upon Condition, Nevertheless, that it shall and may be lawfull for
the said trustee or Trustees, or either of them, at any time after the
twentififth day of December 1843 to make sale of the property aforesaid, or
any part thereof to the highest bidder for cash, having first advertised the
time, place and terms of sale, for ten days in the neighbourhood, and out of
the proceeds of the sale in first place to discharge all legal costs and
expenses attending the sale and this conveyance, in the second place to pay
and satisfy the debt herein recited to be due to the said David E. Poytress,
together with all interest accruing thereupon, and the surplus if any, to be
paid over to the said William H. Moon or his order and the said William H.
Moon doth hereby covenant with the said Matthew Williams & Evans Tanner that
he is possessed with all the property aforesaid and that he will forever
warrant the right & title of the same against all persons whatsoever - In
testimony whereof the parties have hereunto set their hands and affixed
their seals the day and date first written --
Signed, sealed & delivered
in presence of
William H. Moon (seal)
David E (his x mark) Poytress (seal)
Matthew Williams (seal)
Evans Tanner (seal)
=
Mecklenburg County, towit,
We John W. Gregory and Thomas Wartman Justices of the peace for the
County aforesaid, do hereby certify that William H. Moon party to the within
Deed of Trust bearing date the 15th January 1842 personally appeared before
us in our County aforesaid and acknowledged the same to be his act and deed
and desired us to certify the said acknowledgment to the clerk of our County
Court in order that the said Deed may be recorded- Given under our hands
and seals this 22nd January 1842 -
John W. Gregory J.P.(seal)
Thos: Wartman J.P.(seal)
=
Mecklenburg County Clerks Office 21st February 1842 -
The foregoing Deed of Trust together with the certificates of
acknowledgment thereon endorsed was this day received in the clerks Office
aforesaid and pursuant to an act of assembly in such cases made and provided
is admitted to record.
Teste R.B.Baptist, C.		02/12/2009 2:04:28
[POYTHRESS] 1843 Deed of Trust - James E Poythress, John B Kidd, Isaac TaylorBarbara NealIdentities of the parties of this 1843 Deed of Trust & related info:

James E Poythress (my gg-grandfather) was born in August 1803 in Mecklenburg
Co, VA, and he married Catherine S Preston of Brunswick Co, VA in Feb 1828
(birth date and place, and marriage info given in family Bible record, copy
of which is posted at Library of Virginia as Accession 34866). He is likely
son of Lewis Poythress & Rebecca B Taylor.

John Kidd is shown in Vogt's Mecklenburg Co, VA marriage book as marrying
Betsy M Rainey 16 Feb 1818, with consent given by her father Williamson
Rainey, Sr. and bondsman William Rainey. NOTE: Lyn Baird on 23 July 1997
wrote re this couple and her father to our Poythress List: "All, Barbara
Neal inquires who is Williamson Rainey, Sr., neighboring
landowner to Lewis POYTHRESS in his 1845 [Mecklenburg Co, VA] land sale. I
have not fully researched Williamson, but this is what I know of him:
Williamson is the son of Francis RAINEY of Brunswick Co [VA]. Williamson was
born between 1760 and 1770 and married Edith MORGAN in Mecklenburg in 1779,
daughter of Reuben MORGAN. Williamson was a Revolutionary soldier and a
Christian layman instrumental in establishing the Methodist sect in eastern
Mecklenburg. His will was probated in Mecklenburg in 1847. He is buried on
his farm near the headwaters of Great Creek of the Roanoke, just off
Gaulding Road in Mecklenburg, and his grave is marked by a stone erected in
1967 by the DAR. I am the fifth-great-grandson of Williamson, Sr. through
his daughter Elizabeth who married John B. KIDD of Mecklenburg [County,
VA]"

Lewis W Rainey, one of the witnesses to this 1843 Deed of Trust: I'm
curious whether Lyn, or anyone else, can tell me whether Lewis W Rainey was
perhaps a sibling of Elizabeth/Betsy M Rainey, and thus son of Williamson
Rainey, Sr?

Isaac Taylor is shown in Vogt's Brunswick Co, VA marriage book as marrying
Elizabeth J Ryland 2 Feb 1829, with bondsman James E Poythress. I have no
indication of the identity of either Isaac Taylor or his wife, and would
appreciate hearing from anyone who can fill me in -- Julie, or anyone, can
you tell me whose son Isaac Taylor was?

Now regarding this long-elusive 1843 Deed of Trust:

Some of you may recall that back in March 1998, Lyn looked at the indexes of
some original bound volumes of Mecklenburg Co, VA records in the Clerk's
Office in Boydton, VA, and he let us know what Poythress references he found
there. One of those references was from Court Quarterly Sessions Order Book
No. 3 (1840-1843); screening available only for first-party index, for
Poythress only, where Lyn found my great-great-grandfather James E Poythress
on p.326 "Deed Trust James E. Poytress (sic) to Isaac Taylor, personal
estate, was ackno. in Office 13 Febry" (1843). No such document was indexed
in the Grantor's or Grantee's Index to Deeds. I immediately asked the
Clerk's Office for a copy of the full document which that Order Book
reference pointed to, suggesting it should be found in Deed Book 30, around
Feb 1843. Their response was that they could not find the document.

This week, I finally went through microfilm for Deed Book 30 myself, page by
page, to look for the document. I was thrilled to find it, and I've
transcribed it below. Likely it did not get indexed in the Grantor's or
Grantee's Index to Deeds because (in that portion of Deed Book 30) there
were NO marginal notations for the documents, such as normally seen like
"Poythress to Taylor" or whatever.

It is interesting to note that this 1843 Deed of Trust was marked as being
examined and delivered to Lewis Y Poythress -- another bit of evidence that
James E's parents were likely Lewis Poythress & Rebecca B Taylor, since
Lewis Y Poythress was one of the two youngest sons of that marriage.

However, as is frequently the case in genealogy, this Deed of Trust suggests
that there should be some additional dcument or entry *somewhere* regarding
*why* James E Poythress owed the huge amount of $250 to Isaac Taylor -- and
it seems likely to me that James E had owed that amount for at least 2
years, since this document says that if James E's personal property must be
sold, Taylor should be repaid the $250 with interest from 1 January
1841(!)

So then I searched for any Deed that might have prompted owing such a large
amount of money, in Deed Book 29 (which covers from 26 June 1840 through
some of 1842) and did not find any such document. Further, I've determined
that there is no Taylor to Poythress Deed that was indexed in either the
Grantor's Index or the Grantee's Index to Deeds. So perhaps for some reason
James E Poythress owed Isaac Taylor due to something other than a deed --
some estate settlement? or some court settlement? Any other ideas?

One unexpected benefit of going through Deed Book 29 page by page was that I
found yet another Deed of Trust that had not been indexed, which names
William A[rcher] Dortch and two other Poythress men who we know were sons of
Lewis Poythress -- David & Lewis Y. I will transcribe and post that
document later today.

Transcribed from FHL flm 1,870,884 Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 30, p.145,
beginning a couple of inches from the top of the page [with NO marginal
notation of this Poytress Deed of Trust To John B Kidd securing Poytress'
debt to Isaac Taylor]:
This Indenture of bargain and sale made and entered into this 27th day
of January in the year of our Lord 1843 Between James E. Poytress of the
first part, John B. Kidd of the second and Isaac Taylor of the third, all
of the County of Mecklenburg and State of Virginia Witnesseth that the said
James E. Poytress for and in consideration of the Sum of one Dollar to him
in hand paid by the said John B Kidd, the receipt thereof he the said
Poytress doth hereby acknowledged, and him the said Kidd his heirs and
assigns clearly acquitted, Have granted bargained and Sold to said Kidd the
following property to wit: One Bay horse, three cows and three Calves,
Twenty one head of Hogs with their future increase, and four Feather Beds
and Their [bed] clothing, as also my future prospect in a crop the present
year, provided the personal property above sold and conveyed to him the
said Kidd will not at a certain time herein and hereby limited be sufficient
to pay and and [sic] satisfy the certain claim for which this provision is
made- But the whole upon Trust nevertheless, that whereas the said Poytress
is Justly indebted to the said Taylor in the sum of Two hundred and fifty
Dollars, and being desirous to secured the payment of the same with Interest
from the first day of January 1841 Do by these presents empower said Kidd
at the request of said Taylor at any time from and [Note: here inserted
above the line is the word "after"] the 25th day of December next ensueing
The date hereof after advertising [Note: here inserted above the line is "at
least 10 days"] The same at some [Note: here inserted above the line is what
appears to be "accessible place"] dispose of the above said property or so
much thereof as will satisfy and pay the above said sum with interest and
the costs attending this trust and surplus of any return to said Poytress
his heirs or assigns As Witness our hands and seals this date above
written.
James E. Poytress (seal)
John B. Kidd (seal)
Isaac Taylor (seal)
Ack'd in our presence
Lewis W. Rainey
John R. Cole
=
Mecklenburg Co: Clerks Office 13th Feby 1843
The foregoing Deed of Trust was this day acknowledged in the clerks
Office aforesaid by James E. Poytress a party thereto to be his act and Deed
and pursuant to an act of assembly in such cases made and provided, is
admitted to record.
Teste Richard B Baptist, C.C.
Ex'd & del'd to Lewis Y. Poytress [Note: this last notation is in the
handwriting of the interlined insertions above, which is a different
handwriting than that of the bulk of the document. From these differences in
handwriting, and the lack of marginal notation, it appears that two
different clerical employees of the Court Clerk's Office were involved in
recording this entry.]		02/12/2009 10:25:25
[POYTHRESS] 1842 Deed of Trust Wm Archer Dortch, David E Poythress, Lewis Y PoythressBarbara NealTranscribed from FHL film 1,870,884 Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 29,
pp.497-498
= =
p.497
Dortch
to
Poytress
An Indenture made this 21st day of March in the year of our Lord one
thousand eight hundred and forty two, between William A. Dortch of the first
part, David E. Poytress and [sic] of the second part and Lewis Y Poytress of
the third part, Witnesseth that whereas the said Wm. A. Dortch is justly
indebted to the said David E. Poytress in the sum of Forty nine dollars and
twenty three cents, due by note bearing date with this Indenture payable
28th day of Decr: next and whereas the said William A. Dortch is desirous to
secure and hath agreed to secure the payment of the said Debt and interest
with all charges attending the same, or incured by reasons of the premises,
by conveying the property herein after mentioned, unto the said Lewis Y.
Poytress, Now, therefore this indenture Witnesseth that the said William A.
Dortch in consideration of the premises and of the further sum of one dollar
to him by the said Trustee in hand paid, the receipt whereof is hereby
acknowledged, hath bargained and sold, confirmed and made over, and doth by
these presents, bargain and sell, confirm and make over unto the said Lewis
Y. Poytress, the following property towit: two feather beds & furniture,
one Sorrel mare, Eight hed [sic], three head cattle, one pine folding
table, two pine chest, and all the rest of my household & Kitchen
furniture, all my bacon and corn on hand; also all my crop of every
description to be grown the present year - To have and to hold the
foregoing and above mentioned property, unto the said Lewis Y. Poytress, In
trust and upon condition, nevertheless, that it shall and may be lawful, for
the said Trustee or Trustees, at any time after the 25th day of Decr: 1842
to make sale of the property aforesaid or any part thereof to the highest
bidder, for cash, or on a credit, for such a time as the creditor may choose
for whose benefit the property is herein conveyed, it being understood that
the sale is to be made either for cash or credit as he may choose and
direct and any time after the above stated time, he at his request his
heirs Executors or administrators, the Trustee or Trustees first having
given ten days notice by advertising in the neighbourhood - and it is hereby
understood that one or both of the Trustees may act, if there be more than
one, & if only one in case of his death that it shall and may be lawful for
his legal personal representative, Executors or adms: to act - and out of
the proceeds of the sale of the property aforesaid first to pay all legal
and usual such expenses attending the sale -
==p.498
and this convey [illegible: perhaps "unto"?] - and in the second place to
pay and satisfy the debt herein recited to be due to the said David E.
Poytress together with legal interest accruing thereupon and the surplus if
any pay over to said William A. Dortch or to his orders or legal
representative and the said William A. Dortch doth hereby covenant with the
said Lewis Y. Poytress that he is possessed with all the property aforesaid,
and that he will forever warrant the title of the same against all persons -
whatsoever - In testimony whereof the said parties have hereunto affixed
their hands & seal this day and year date first above written -
Exmed sealed & acknowledged
in presence
William A. Dortch (seal)
Lewis Y. Poytress (seal)
David (his x mark) E. Poytress (seal)
=
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County, at the Court house thereof on the
21st day of March 1842 - The foregoing Deed of trust was this day
acknowledged in open court by William A. Dortch and Lewis Y. Poytress
parties thereto and ordered to be recorded.
Teste R.B. Baptist, C.		02/12/2009 11:38:02
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress Deeds and ChanceryBarbara NealThanks, BPW -- great to know someone out there is reading these &
appreciating them. I find these deeds so much easier to deal with, once
they are transcribed & computer-searchable!

Cheers,
Bpn



02/13/2009 6:39:25
[POYTHRESS] Deed 143.5 acres Lewis Poythress to David Poythress 1844Barbara NealTranscribed by Bpn from FHL film 1,870,885 (more recent fliming than 32,546)
Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 31, pp.253-254:
= =
p.253 [no marginal notation]
This Indenture made and entered into this fifteenth day of August One
Thousand Eight hundred and forty four between Lewis Poythress of the first
part and David Poythress of the Second part both of the County of
Mecklenburg, Virginia. Witnesseth that the Said Lewis Poythress for and in
consideration of The Sum of Two [or Five?] hundred and fifteen dollars and
twenty five cents to him in hand paid, The receipt whereof is hereby
acknowledged, hath This day bargained and sold, delivered and confirmed, and
by These presents doth give, grant bargain Sell delivered and confirmed unto
the Said David Poythress one Certain tract or piece of Land, lying in the
County of Mecklenburg Containing one hundred and forty three and half acres
more or less lying being and Situated, and bounded as follows Viz beginning
at the road on Charles D Cleaton's line, thence, along Said (Jnand [sic]
Clatons line, to John Giles Senr corner black gum on The meadow Branch
thence, across the Stream along Said line, to Robinson C Thomas line thence,
along Said line, to Isaac Taylors line, thence along Said line, to Leonard
Thomas line, thence, along said line, to Henry Moons [or Morse? or Moore?]
line, thence, along said line, to Williamson Raineys Srs line, thence, along
Said line to the road, Thence, along Said road, to the beginning Containing
one hundred and forty Three and half acres more or less as aforesaid. To
have and To hold the Said Tract or piece of Land, To Said David Poythress
his heirs and assigns forever and the Said Lewis Poythress for himself and
his heirs doe forever warrant and defend unto The Said David Poythress his
heirs and assigns forever free from the Claim, of him the Said Lewis
Poythress and his heirs and from the Claim of every other person or
persons, In Testimony whereof the Said Lewis Poythress hath hereunto
affixed his hand and Seal the day and date first above written.
Signed, Sealed and
delivered in the presence of us
Interlined before assigned
Lewis (his + mark) Poythress (Seal)
Rebecca B (her + mark) Poythress (Seal)
=
We Thomas Wartman & James M. Harwell Justices of the peace in and for the
County aforesaid do hereby Certify that Lewis Poythress & Rebecca B
Poythress his wife, parties to The within and bearing date 15th August 1844
personally appeared before us in Our County aforesaid and acknowledged The
Same to be Their act and deed and desired us to Certify The Said
acknowledgment to The Clerk of the County Court in order that the Said deed
may be recorded. And she Rebecca B. Poythress being examined by us privily
and apart from her husband and having the deed aforesaid fully explained to
her, she, The Said Rebecca Poythress declared She had willingly Singed &
Sealed and
==p.254
delivered The Same and that She wished not to retract it. Given under Our
hands and Seals this 19th August 1844.
Thomas Wartman J.P.(Seal)
James M. Harwell J.P.(Seal)
=
Mecklenburg County Court Clerks Offic 19th Augt 1844
The foregoing Deed of Bargain and Sale together with the Certificate of
Acknowledgment and relinquishment of Dower Thereon endorsed was This day
received in The Clerks Office aforesaid and admitted to record.
Teste R.B. Baptist C.C.		02/13/2009 6:40:28
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress Deeds and ChanceryBarbara,

Many, many thanks for your very hard work and analysis in transcribing these
Poythress deeds and especially for sharing and making them accessible for
all our researchers.

Best regards, Barbara (BPW)
**************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you
now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000002)		02/13/2009 7:02:50
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1842 Deed of Trust Wm Archer Dortch, David E Poythress, Lewis Y PoythressBarbara, what a wonderful surprise to check my email and have all these Deeds of Trust transcribed by you. Lots of hard work on your part and much appreciated on mine.
Always exciting seeing something about my David Poythress and your James E. Poythress.










Take care,





Elaine Criddle





Transcribed from FHL film 1,870,884 Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 29,
pp.497-498
= =
p.497
Dortch
to
Poytress
An Indenture made this 21st day of March in the year of our Lord one
thousand eight hundred and forty two, between William A. Dortch of the first
part, David E. Poytress and [sic] of the second part and Lewis Y Poytress of
the third part, Witnesseth that whereas the said Wm. A. Dortch is justly
indebted to the said David E. Poytress in the sum of Forty nine dollars and
twenty three cents, due by note bearing date with this Indenture payable
28th day of Decr: next and whereas the said William A. Dortch is desirous to
secure and hath agreed to secure the payment of the said Debt and interest
with all charges attending the same, or incured by reasons of the premises,
by conveying the property herein after mentioned, unto the said Lewis Y.
Poytress, Now, therefore this indenture Witnesseth that the said William A.
Dortch in consideration of the premises and of the further sum of one dollar
to him by the said Trustee in hand paid, the receipt whereof is hereby
acknowledged, hath bargained and sold, confirmed and made over, and doth by
these presents, bargain and sell, confirm and make over unto the said Lewis
Y. Poytress, the following property towit: two feather beds & furniture,
one Sorrel mare, Eight hed [sic], three head cattle, one pine folding
table, two pine chest, and all the rest of my household & Kitchen
furniture, all my bacon and corn on hand; also all my crop of every
description to be grown the present year - To have and to hold the
foregoing and above mentioned property, unto the said Lewis Y. Poytress, In
trust and upon condition, nevertheless, that it shall and may be lawful, for
the said Trustee or Trustees, at any time after the 25th day of Decr: 1842
to make sale of the property aforesaid or any part thereof to the highest
bidder, for cash, or on a credit, for such a time as the creditor may choose
for whose benefit the property is herein conveyed, it being understood th
at
the sale is to be made either for cash or credit as he may choose and
direct and any time after the above stated time, he at his request his
heirs Executors or administrators, the Trustee or Trustees first having
given ten days notice by advertising in the neighbourhood - and it is hereby
understood that one or both of the Trustees may act, if there be more than
one, & if only one in case of his death that it shall and may be lawful for
his legal personal representative, Executors or adms: to act - and out of
the proceeds of the sale of the property aforesaid first to pay all legal
and usual such expenses attending the sale -
==p.498
and this convey [illegible: perhaps "unto"?] - and in the second place to
pay and satisfy the debt herein recited to be due to the said David E.
Poytress together with legal interest accruing thereupon and the surplus if
any pay over to said William A. Dortch or to his orders or legal
representative and the said William A. Dortch doth hereby covenant with the
said Lewis Y. Poytress that he is possessed with all the property aforesaid,
and that he will forever warrant the title of the same against all persons -
whatsoever - In testimony whereof the said parties have hereunto affixed
their hands & seal this day and year date first above written -
Exmed sealed & acknowledged
in presence
William A. Dortch (seal)
Lewis Y. Poytress (seal)
David (his x mark) E. Poytress (seal)
=
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County, at the Court house thereof on the
21st day of March 1842 - The foregoing Deed of trust was this day
acknowledged in open court by William A. Dortch and Lewis Y. Poytress
parties thereto and ordered to be recorded.
Teste R.B. Baptist, C.

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Re: [POYTHRESS] 1842 Deed of Trust Wm Archer Dortch, David E Poythress, Lewis Y PoythressBarbara NealThanks for the good words, Elaine. I still refer often to all the wonderful
work you did on all the Poythress Census info compiled & posted at our
Poythress research website.

Happy Valentine's Day, all -
Barbara



02/13/2009 9:22:25
[POYTHRESS] Deed 101 acres Thos Watson to Lewis Poythress 1801Barbara NealNote: The maiden name of Thomas Watson's wife Susannah relinquishing dower
for this sale of land to Lewis Poythress, was Susannah Taylor. She was
daughter of Amey Malone & the elder Goodwyn Taylor; Susannah's 8 siblings
were:
- Sally/Sarah who married Abel Dortch;
- Martha Taylor who married John Cleaton (John was one of the children of
William Cleaton & Jane Poole; his siblings included Edith Cleaton who
married Meredith Poythress and Jeane Cleaton who married Edward Giles);
- Polly Jones Taylor who married James Watson;
- Betsy/Elizabeth Taylor who married David Dortch (the younger David, who
was Executor of his father David Dortch. The younger David Dortch was
sibling of Rebecca Dortch who married David Taylor, with Rebecca & David
Taylor being parents of Rebecca B Taylor)
- Nancy Taylor
- Goodwyn Taylor Jr
- John Taylor
- Penelope Taylor who married Herbert Cook
= =

Transcribed by Bpn from FHL film 1,870,878 (or 32,537) Mecklenburg Co, VA
Deed Book 11, pp.47-48:
= =
p.47
Watson
to
Poythress
This Indenture made this fourth day of November in the Year our Lord
Christ one thousand Eight hundred and one - Between Thomas Watson of the
County of Mecklenburg of the one part and Lewis Poythress of the other part
Witnesseth that the said Thomas Watson for and in Consideration of the Sum
of Twenty five pounds lawful Money of Virginia to him in hand paid the
Receipt whereof he doth hereby Acknowledge have bargained & Sold and by
these presents doth bargain and Sell unto the said Lewis Poythress his Heirs
and Assigns one Certain Tract or Parcel of Land Containing one Hundred and
four Acres be the same more or less lying and being on the long Branch in
the County aforesaid and bounded as followeth Beginning at a Black Jack on
Joseph Walkers line thence along his line to an Ash on the long Branch
thence up the said Branch as it Meanders to an Ash at the Mouth of [blank
space] Branch thence up Prettest Branch to a Post Oak in Nances line thence
along his line to the Beginning To have and to hold the said Granted Land
with Tenements Hereditaments and all and Singular the Premises thereunto
belonging or any ways Appertaining with their and Every of their
Appurtinences unto the said Lewis Poythress his Heirs and Assigns to the
only proper use and Behoof of the said Lewis Poythress and his Heirs and
Assigns forever and the said Thomas Watson will and doth Warrant and
forever defend the title of the said granted Land and Premises unto the said
Lewis Poythress his Heirs and Assigns forever free from the Claim of
themselves or any other Person or Persons whatsoever and the said Thomas
Watson and his Heirs doth hereby warrant and forever defend the title of the
said Granted Land and Premises. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my
hand and affixed my Seal this day and Year above Written.
Thomas Watson (L.S.)
Signed and Sealed
In presence of
John Nance
Isham Nance
Peter (his x mark) Tammas [sic]
Isham Nance Jr
Thoms Nance
=
same
to
same
&
Comm
The Commonwealth of Virginia To Lewis Parham, James Harwell, Hutchins
Ferrell and Samuel Holmes Gentlemen greeting whereas Thomas Watson By his
Certain Indenture of bargain and Sale bearing date the 4th day of November
1801 has Sold and Conveyed unto Lewis Poythress the fee simple Estate of and
in of one hundred and one Acres of land be the same more or less lying and
being in the
County
==p.48
County of Mecklenburg and whereas Susanna Watson the wife of the said Thomas
Cannot Conveniently travel to the Court of the said County to relinquish her
right of dower in the said Lands therefore Power is given unto you or any
two of you to receive the Relinquishment which the said Susannah shall be
willing to make before you of her right of dower in the Estate Conveyed by
the said Indenture which is hereunto Annexed and you are therefore Commanded
that you do personally go to the said Susanna and receive her relinquishment
of the same and Examine her privily and apart from the said Thomas her
Husband whither she doth the same freely and Voluntarily without his
Pursuasions or threats and whither she be willing the same should be
Recorded in the County Court aforesaid and when you have received her
Relinquishment & Examined her as aforesaid that you distinctly and openly
Certifie the said Court thereof under your Seals sending then there the said
Indenture and this Writ witness William Baskervill Clerk of our said Court
the 20th day of November 1801 In the 26th year of the Commonwealth
John Dortch D. Ck.
=
Mecklenburg County, to wit,
We do hereby Certifie that we have this day made Application to the
within named Susanna at the house of Lewis Parham in this County and have
Examined her as herein Required and that she doth freely and willingly
without the threats or Persuasians of her said Husband Relinquish her right
of dower to the Land Contained in the hereto Annexed Deed and Consents that
same shall be recorded- Given under our hands and Seals this Eightht day of
December 1801
Samuel Holms (L.S.)
Lewis Parham (L.S.)
=
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 14th day of December 1801
This Indenture was Acknowledged by Thomas Watson a party thereto and
together with the Commissian Annexed and the Certificate of the Execution
therof ordered to be Recorded.
Teste William Baskervill Ck. Cur.		02/13/2009 9:44:44
[POYTHRESS] Deed to Lewis Poythress 33 ac witnessed by Edw Giles & Jno Nance 1813-1814Barbara NealDoes anyone know what relation there was between Lewis Poythress'
daughter-in-law (wife of Lewis' son Edward Poythress) Mahaley Nance, and the
below witnesses, John Nance and Nancy L Nance?

Transcribed by Bpn from FHL film 1,870,879 or 32,539 Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed
Book 15, pp.272-273:
= =
p.272
Bass & wife
To
Poythress
This Indenture made this third day of November in the year of our Lord
Christ, one thousand eight hundred and thirteen, between Dennis Bass of
Northhampton County and and [sic] State of North Carolina of the one part
and Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg County and State of Virginia of the one
part. Witnesseth that for and in consideration of Thirty three pounds in
hand paid by the said Lewis Poythress the receipt whereof is hereby
acknowledged by the said Dennis Bass have bargained and sold and by these
presents do and doth bargain and sell unto the said Lewis Poythress his
heirs and assigns one Certain tract or parcel of land situate lying and
being in the County of Mecklenburg and bounded as followeth - beginning on a
Corner maple on Prettys Branch in Grief Harwells line thence along the said
Harwells line to a corner post oak in Lewis Poythress line, thence down
said branch as it meanders to the long branch, thence up the said branch as
meanders to a corner white oak in James L Nance's line thence along the
said Nances line to a corner pine thence along said Nances line to the
beginning, Containing by a late survey Thirty three acres all houses and
houses [sic] Orchards and appurtenances thereunto belonging or in any wise
appertaining and reversion and reversions remainder and remainders to have
and to hold the said tract or parcel of land and all and singular the said
premises above mentioned and every part thereof with their appurtenances
unto the said Lewis Poythress his heirs and assigns forever to the only
proper use and behoof of him the said Lewis Poythress his heirs and assigns
and the said Dennis Bass him and his heirs and assigns the said tract or
parcel of Land and premises and every part thereof against him and his heirs
and against all and every other person or persons whatsoever to the said
Lewis Poythress his heirs and assigns shall and will forever warrant and
defend by these presents. In Witness whereof the said Dennis Bass have
hereunto set his hand and affixed his seal the day and year first above
written.
Dennis (his + mark) Bass (seal)
Signed sealed and delivered in presence of
Jno Nance, Edward Giles, Nancy L. Nance
Lewis Parham, James Harwell
=
The Commonwealth of Virginia to Lewis Parham[,] James Harwell and John
Poynor Gent Justices of Mecklenburg County Greeting: whereas Dennis Bass
by his Indenture of bargain and sale bearing date the 3rd day of November
1813 hath sold and conveyed unto Lewis Poythress Thirty three acres of land
situate lying and being in the County of Mecklenburg on Prettys branch and
whereas Mary Bass the wife of the said Dennis Bass Cannot conveniently
travel [to] the said County Court of Mecklenburg to relinquish her right of
dower in and to the said land Conveyed in the deed hereto annexed, then are
therefore to Commission and require you or any two of you that you privily
and apart from the said Dennis her husband do examine the said Mary touching
her free relinquishment of dower in and to the said lands, and that thereof
you plainly and distinctly Certify and indorse to the Justices of our County
Court of Mecklenburg aforesaid, under your hands and seals, together with
this Commission and deed Witness William Baskervill Clerk of our said
Court the 5th day of November 1813 in the 38th year of the
Commonwealth. W Baskervill, C C
=
Mecklenburg County towit
In Complyance with the within commission to us directed we have examined
the within named Mary Bass as herein required and do hereby certify that she
hath freely and voluntarily relinquished her right of dower in and to the
land conveyed in the annexed Indenture - and consents that the same shall be
recorded in the Court of this County. Given under our hands and seals this
6th day of November 1812.
Lewis Parham (seal)
James Harwell (seal)
= =p.273
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 15th day of November 1813
This Deed poll[?] was proved by the oaths of John Nance and Edward Giles
Witnesses thereto And at a Court Convened and held for the same County the
23rd day of March 1814 The said deed poll[?] was further proved by the oath
of James Harwell another witness thereto and together with the Commission
and Certificate of [their?] [requention?] Thereof and ordered to be
recorded.
Teste William Baskerville Ck Crt		02/16/2009 2:49:16
[POYTHRESS] Deed 1896 Mecklenburg Co, VA 50-acre Thomas M Poythress placeBarbara NealLyn, or Julie, or anyone -- I'm curious -- can you please let me know how
J.W. Moseley was kin to Lucy Cannon Moseley? In late 1896, per the below
deed, J.W. Moseley bought the 50-acre Thomas M Poythress Place in
Mecklenburg Co, VA for only one dollar; Lucy Cannon Moseley was wife of
James David Poythress; she & her husband were one of the 5 selling
sibling-couples (along with William Lewis Poythress, "Bettie" Mills nee
Elizabeth R Poythress, Sallie nee Poythress, and Richard Poythress, all of
whom were children of Thomas M Poythress).

Thanks for any clarification.
Barbara

Transcribed by Bpn from Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 55, p.58 (FHL film
1,870,895):
= =p.58
Poythress W L [in smaller script: "Pothers" perhaps as an alternate
spelling used by one of them?]
Deed
To
Moseley J.W.
Tax 50 cents
This deed of bargain and sale made this November 11th 1896 between W.L.
Poythress and A.J. Poythress his wife [Bpn note: since "wife" was used, we
know this was Anna Jane "Ella" nee Jones, NOT Anderson John "Jack"
Poythress, a brother of W.L. and these other Poythress siblings], J.D.
Poythress and Lucy Poythress his wife, Thomas Mills and Bettie Mills his
wife, W.H. Tanner and Sallie Tanner his wife, and Richard Poythress and Rosa
Poythress his wife of the first part and J.W. Moseley of the second part,
all of the Counties of Mecklenburg and Brunswick and state of Virginia,
Witnesseth that for and in consideration of the sum of $1.00 dollars [sic;
underlined in original to indicate plural "dollars" was used instead of more
appropriate singular "dollar"] to the parties of the first part, paid by the
party of the second part, the receipt of which is hereby acknowledged, the
said W.L. Poythress and A.J. Poythress his wife, J.D. Poythress and Lucy
Poythress his wife, Thomas Mills and Bettie Mills his wife, W.H. Tanner and
Sally Tanner his wife and Richard Poythress and Rosa Poythress his wife,
parties of the first part doth bargain, sell, & convey with general warranty
unto the said J.W. Moseley the partie of the second part all of their right,
title and interest in a certain tract or parcel of land lying in the County
of Mecklenburg, Known as The Thomas Poythress place containing Fifty acres
and bounded as follows: in the North by the lands of A.J. Poythress [Bpn
note: likely this refers to Anderson John "Jack" Poythress rather than the
above-mentioned Anna Jane Poythress, wife of WL], on the East by the lands
of A.F. King, on the South by the lands of Wylie Tanner, on the West by the
lands of Black roads [sic; or possibly "woods"]. Witness our hands this day
and date above written.
W.H. Tanner (seal) W.L. Poythress (seal)
Sallie Tanner (seal) A.J. Poythress (seal)
Richard Poythress (seal) J.D. Poythress (seal)
Rosa Poythress (seal) Lucy Poythress (seal)
Thomas L. Mills (seal)
Betty Mills (seal)
=
Mecklenburg Co to wit
I S.J. Lambert a Justice of the Peace for the County aforesaid and State
of Virginia do certify that W.L. Poythress, A.J. Poythress, J.D. Poythress,
Lucy Poythress Thos Mills, Bettie Mills, W.H. Tanner, Sallie Tanner, Richard
Poythress and Rosa Poythress whose names are signed in the writing above
bearing date on the 11th day of November 1896 have acknowledged the same
before me in my County aforesaid. Given under my hand this Nov. 12, 1896.
S.J. Lambert, J.P.
=
In the Clerk's office of Mecklenburg County Court 9 Jan 1897
The foregoing deed of bargain and sale together with the certificate of
acknowledgment thereon Endorsed was this day received in the Clerks office
aforesaid and admitted to record.
Teste W.A. Jamison Clerk
Ex Jan 6, 1927 Del to W.J. [or W.G?] Tanner		02/16/2009 4:41:52
Re: [POYTHRESS] Deed 1896 Mecklenburg Co, VA 50-acre Thomas M Poythress placeBarbara NealI just noticed in the Aug 1998 transcription of this deed posted by Lyn on 7
Aug 1998 captioned "Thomas M Poythress Estate" as had been transcribed that
month by Bea, his mother, she read the west boundary of the land as "Black
road." I readily acknowledge that Bea would know better than I that indeed
Black Road was to the west of the land, so you can disregard my bracketed
notation in my transcription just posted, where I was questioning whether
the word was "roads" or "woods".

The consideration given, however, is clearly $1 in the original (not $100 as
Bea had written), so if anyone can clarify the relationship of the buyer
J.W. Moseley to James David Poythress' wife, Lucy Cannon Moseley, I'd
appreciate hearing it.

Thanks,
Barbara		02/16/2009 5:04:02
Re: [POYTHRESS] Deed 1896 Mecklenburg Co, VA 50-acre Thomas M Poythress placePatDo we know who William Lewis Poythress married? I am still looking for the
William Poythress that married Julia and resided in Greenville CO VA close
to Lewis Y Poythress Jr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Neal"
To: "Poythress"
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:41 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Deed 1896 Mecklenburg Co,VA 50-acre Thomas M Poythress
place


> Lyn, or Julie, or anyone -- I'm curious -- can you please let me know how
> J.W. Moseley was kin to Lucy Cannon Moseley? In late 1896, per the below
> deed, J.W. Moseley bought the 50-acre Thomas M Poythress Place in
> Mecklenburg Co, VA for only one dollar; Lucy Cannon Moseley was wife of
> James David Poythress; she & her husband were one of the 5 selling
> sibling-couples (along with William Lewis Poythress, "Bettie" Mills nee
> Elizabeth R Poythress, Sallie nee Poythress, and Richard Poythress, all of
> whom were children of Thomas M Poythress).
>
> Thanks for any clarification.
> Barbara
>
> Transcribed by Bpn from Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 55, p.58 (FHL film
> 1,870,895):
> = =p.58
> Poythress W L [in smaller script: "Pothers" perhaps as an alternate
> spelling used by one of them?]
> Deed
> To
> Moseley J.W.
> Tax 50 cents
> This deed of bargain and sale made this November 11th 1896 between
> W.L.
> Poythress and A.J. Poythress his wife [Bpn note: since "wife" was used, we
> know this was Anna Jane "Ella" nee Jones, NOT Anderson John "Jack"
> Poythress, a brother of W.L. and these other Poythress siblings], J.D.
> Poythress and Lucy Poythress his wife, Thomas Mills and Bettie Mills his
> wife, W.H. Tanner and Sallie Tanner his wife, and Richard Poythress and
> Rosa
> Poythress his wife of the first part and J.W. Moseley of the second part,
> all of the Counties of Mecklenburg and Brunswick and state of Virginia,
> Witnesseth that for and in consideration of the sum of $1.00 dollars [sic;
> underlined in original to indicate plural "dollars" was used instead of
> more
> appropriate singular "dollar"] to the parties of the first part, paid by
> the
> party of the second part, the receipt of which is hereby acknowledged, the
> said W.L. Poythress and A.J. Poythress his wife, J.D. Poythress and Lucy
> Poythress his wife, Thomas Mills and Bettie Mills his wife, W.H. Tanner
> and
> Sally Tanner his wife and Richard Poythress and Rosa Poythress his wife,
> parties of the first part doth bargain, sell, & convey with general
> warranty
> unto the said J.W. Moseley the partie of the second part all of their
> right,
> title and interest in a certain tract or parcel of land lying in the
> County
> of Mecklenburg, Known as The Thomas Poythress place containing Fifty acres
> and bounded as follows: in the North by the lands of A.J. Poythress [Bpn
> note: likely this refers to Anderson John "Jack" Poythress rather than the
> above-mentioned Anna Jane Poythress, wife of WL], on the East by the lands
> of A.F. King, on the South by the lands of Wylie Tanner, on the West by
> the
> lands of Black roads [sic; or possibly "woods"]. Witness our hands this
> day
> and date above written.
> W.H. Tanner (seal) W.L. Poythress (seal)
> Sallie Tanner (seal) A.J. Poythress (seal)
> Richard Poythress (seal) J.D. Poythress (seal)
> Rosa Poythress (seal) Lucy Poythress (seal)
> Thomas L. Mills (seal)
> Betty Mills (seal)
> =
> Mecklenburg Co to wit
> I S.J. Lambert a Justice of the Peace for the County aforesaid and State
> of Virginia do certify that W.L. Poythress, A.J. Poythress, J.D.
> Poythress,
> Lucy Poythress Thos Mills, Bettie Mills, W.H. Tanner, Sallie Tanner,
> Richard
> Poythress and Rosa Poythress whose names are signed in the writing above
> bearing date on the 11th day of November 1896 have acknowledged the same
> before me in my County aforesaid. Given under my hand this Nov. 12, 1896.
> S.J. Lambert, J.P.
> =
> In the Clerk's office of Mecklenburg County Court 9 Jan 1897
> The foregoing deed of bargain and sale together with the certificate of
> acknowledgment thereon Endorsed was this day received in the Clerks office
> aforesaid and admitted to record.
> Teste W.A. Jamison Clerk
> Ex Jan 6, 1927 Del to W.J. [or W.G?] Tanner
>
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>		02/16/2009 10:58:37
[POYTHRESS] William Lewis Poythress son of Thos M Poythress & father of Foxhall PoythressBarbara NealAccording to Family Group Sheets that I've seen from this branch of the
family, this William Lewis Poythress (born about 1844, eldest son of Thomas
M Poythress & Lucy J Thomas), married Anna Jane "Ella" JONES on 20 Dec 1866
at Rehoboth Methodist Church in Blackridge, Mecklenburg Co, VA.

The citation on the Family Group Sheet showed this appears in the
"Mecklenburg Register of Marriages" though it doesn't list a specific
volume/page or indicate whether this is (as I figure likely) an official
County register, or something else.

Can anyone please give us a source citation for this?

Thanks,
Barbara

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Pat wrote:

> Do we know who William Lewis Poythress married? I am still looking for the
> William Poythress that married Julia and resided in Greenville CO VA close
> to Lewis Y Poythress Jr
>


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barbara Neal"
> To: "Poythress"
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:41 PM
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Deed 1896 Mecklenburg Co,VA 50-acre Thomas M Poythress
> place
>		02/16/2009 11:00:33
[POYTHRESS] 1792-1793 Deed Wartman to Peter Poythress 50 acres of Mecklenburg landBarbara NealI would welcome any help in better puzzling out more info about this item.
I note:

(1) Lewis Poythress is one of the witnesses to this deed;

(2) it seems to me that this Peter was most likely not the Peter who was
son of Meredith: while it was legal for minors to own land, it's pretty
unusual for one to be a buyer at such a young age -- we know Meredith's son
Peter was only about 8 years old in 1792; we know Meredith's son Peter was
born about 1784 since he first was listed (upon reaching age 16) with
Meredith on Mecklenburg's Personal Property Tax records, where Meredith had
been listed since 1786;

(3) the Peter Poythress acquiring this 50 acres in Mecklenburg Co in
1792 seems to me most likely not a long-term resident of Mecklenburg County
(despite the deed saying both Wartman & Peter Poythress were "of this
County") because he was not listed on the Mecklenburg Personal Property Tax
Lists. He was listed on Mecklenburg Co's Land Tax Records for the Lower
District, beginning in 1793, where he was taxed on this 50 acres --
unfortunately none of the years' Mecklenburg Land Tax records describe him
as being "Peter Poythress of ..." to give an indication of where he resided;

(4) in 1815, in Mecklenburg's Land Tax Records Peter's property goes from
50 acres to 150 acres, with Parham's list noting that he had acquired an
additional 100 acres, which he owned in fee simple. All 150 acres is
described as being on the West side of Flat Creek & East of the Courthouse.
(I have not located any indexed deed in Mecklenburg to a Peter Poythress in
1815 for 100 acres.)

(5) after 1815 in those Land Tax Records, Peter is then listed with the
150 acres through the Land Tax List of 1819, but he is not listed after
1819. I looked, and failed to find, either any listed "Changes" re ownership
of this property, or anyone else owning exactly 150 acres described as being
on the on the West side of Flat Creek & East of the Courthouse.

= = =

Transcribed by Bpn from FHL film 1,870,876 or 32,535 Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed
Book 8, p.263:
= =p.263
Wartman
to
Poythress
This Indenture made this [blank] day of November in year of our Lord
Seventeen hundred and Ninety two between John H. Wartman of the One part and
Peter Poythress of the other part both of this County Mecklenburg
Witnesseth that the said John H Wartman for and in consideration of the sum
of Twenty five pounds Current Money of Virginia to him in hand paid by the
said Peter Poythress the Receipt whereof he doth hereby Acknowledge hath
given granted bargain'd and Sold and by these presents doth grant and
Confirm unto the said Peter Poythress his heirs and Assigns, forever One
certain tract or parcel of land lying and being in the County aforesaid on
the waters of Flatt Creek Containing by estimation Fifty Acres be the same
more or less and Bounded as followeth (To wit) Beginning at a Corner poast
Oak Between Pool and Watson thence along a straight line to the Ridge path
to a Corner white Oak then a new line along the Ridge path to Mathews's line
to a Corner Red Oak thence along Mathews line to a Corner post Oak in
Poole's line thence along Poole's line to the Beginning Being part of the
land conveyed to him from Burwell Watson Together with all privileges and
appurtenances whatsoever Appurtaining to the Same unto him the said Peter
Poythress his heirs and Assigns forever and the said John H Wartman for
himself his heirs &c hereby Defend agnst Rights and Title of the said Lands
with all its Appurtenances against the claims of all persons whatsoever
Attempting to claim the same. In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my
hand and Affixed my Seal the day and year above written.
John Henry Wartman (L.S.)
Sign'd In presence of
Abdias Webb
Isham Eppes
Lewis Poythress
John Wilkerson
=
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 11th day of February 1793
This Indenture was Acknowledged by John Henry Wartman a party thereto And
Ordered to be Recorded
Teste John Brown Clk Crt		02/16/2009 11:23:50
[POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress 1816 retrieved his 33 acres from County by paying Bass' back taxesBarbara NealThis is the same 33 acre parcel Lewis had bought from Dennis Bass on 3 Nov
1813 (which sale was recorded 23 March 1814). Basically Lewis' June 1816
payment is due to a tax lien on the property, though they did not use that
terminology. As shown below, the land had been "returned" to the County at
the August Court 1815 because of Bass' earlier nonpayment of taxes. I
transcribed this item because some of us have seen it indexed in the
Mecklenburg Co, VA Grantees Index to Deeds.

Transcribed by Bpn from FHL film 1,870,880 Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 16,
p.249:
=
[County]
Same to
Poythress
1816 June 28 Received of Lewis Poytress the sum of five dollars &
forty two cents for the tax damage and all charges on 33 acres of Land
returned for the nonpayment of taxes in the name of Dennis Bass for the year
1807 [or 1809?] in the County of Mecklenburg which was sold to Richard
Apperson at August Court 1815.
Edward L. Tabb, Ct
Truly Recorded Edward L. Tabb, Ct		02/17/2009 3:59:02
[POYTHRESS] Deed 100 ac to David Poythress 1837 bounded by Lewis Poy & Leonard Thomas & Wmson Rainey SrBarbara NealTranscribed by Bpn from FHL film 1,870,883 & 32,544 Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed
Book 27, pp.331-332:
= =
p.331
Perkindon
& wife
to
Poythress
This Indenture made and entered into this the 14th day of September 1837
Between John M. Perkinson and Lucy Carolina [or Caroline] his wife of the
first part and David Poythress of the other part all of the county of
Mecklenburg & state of Virginia. Witnesseth, that whereas the said John M.
Perkinson and Lucy Carolina his wife for and in consideration of the sum of
Two Hundred and fifty Dollars to them in hand paid by the Said David
Poythress at or before the ensealing and delivery of these presents, the
receipt whereoff is hereby acknowledged Have bargained and sold and by
these presents doth bargain and sell to the Said David Poythress, his heirs
& assigns, a certain tract or parcel of Land (on which he now resides)
containing one hundred acres, and bounded as follows on the South and West
by the Land of Williamson Rainey Senr on the north by the land of Lewis
Poythress and on the East by the Land of Leonard Thomas. To have and to
hold the Said Tract or parcel of Land together with all and every part or
parcel intended to be Sold, free from the claim or claims of all and every
person or persons, unto him the Said David Poythress his heirs or assigns
forever. In Testimony whereoff he the Said John M. Perkinson and Lucy
Caroline (his wife) have hereunto set their hands and affixed their Seals
this the day and year above written.
John M. Perkinson (seal)
Lucy C. Perkinson (seal)
=
Mecklenburg County towit:
We Drury Penington and Thomas Wartman Justices of the peace in the county
aforesaid do hereby certify that John M. Perkinson and Lucy C his wife
parties to the the annexed and bearing date 14th September 1837 personally
appeared before us in our county aforesaid and acknowledged the same to be
their act and deed and desired us to certify the Said acknowledgement to the
Clerk of our county court in order that the Said deed may be recorded.
Given under our hands and seals this 14th September 1837.
Drury Penington J.P.(seal)
Thomas Wartman J.P.(seal)
=
Mecklenburg County towit,
We Drury Penington and Thomas Wartman Justices of the peace in the county
aforesaid do hereby certify that Lucy C the wife of John M. Perkinson
parties to the annexed and bearing date 14th September 1837 personally
appeared before us in our county aforesaid and being examined by us privily
and apart from her husband and having the deed aforesaid fully explained
when she the said Lucy C. acknowledged the same to be her act and deed and
declared she had willingly signed sealed and delivered the same and that she
wished not to retract it. Given under our hands and seals this 14th day of
September 1837.
Drury Penington J.P.(seal)
Thomas Wartman J.P.(seal)
==p.332
Mecklenburg County Clerks Office 25th September 1837
The foregoing indenture of Bargain and sale together with the
certificates of acknowledgement and relinquishment of dower Thereon endorsed
was received in the Clerks Office aforesaid [illegible, possibly "in
vocation"] and pursuant to an act of assembly is admitted to record-
Teste Richard B. Baptist C.C.		02/17/2009 5:30:37
[POYTHRESS] Descendant Chroniclesnancy netter 
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02/17/2009 9:52:46
[POYTHRESS] 1789 Wm Cleaton Deed of Trust re land where Meredith Poythress then livedBarbara NealThis Deed of Trust secured a pre-existing debt that William Cleaton of
Mecklenburg Co, VA owed to a man in Warren Co, NC. By this Deed of Trust the
debt was secured by land owned by William Cleaton, which was part of the
tract of land on which Meredith Poythress was then living (while married to
William Cleaton's daughter Edith). What is curious to me, is that the
document does not say in what county or state the land is located;
presumably in Mecklenburg Co, VA since that's where the Deed of Trust was
recorded.

Transcribed by Bpn from FHL film 1,870,876 & 32,535 Mecklenburt Co, VA
Deed Book 7, pp.482-483:
= =
p.482
Cleaton
to Nicholson
This Indenture made this 14th day of February in the year of Our Lord one
Thousand seven hundred and Eighty Nine Between William Cleaton of the County
of Mecklenburg and state of Virginia of the one part and George Nicholson of
The County of Warren and State of North Carolina of The Other part,
Witnesseth that for and in Consideration of the Sum of Fourteen pounds
Eighteen Shillings and ten pence Current Money of Virginia which I the Said
William Cleaton are Justly Indebted to the Said George Nicholson and
honestly desire to Secure and pay to the Said George Nicholson and for and
in in [sic] the farther consideration of the Sum of five Shillings like
money to the Said William Cleaton in hand paid by the Said George Nicholson
at or before the Sealing and Delivering of this, the receipt whereof I
hereby Acknowledge, and Thereof, and of every part thereof Exonerate and
discharge the Said William Cleaton his heirs Executors and Administrators he
the Said William Clleaton hath granted bargained Sold and Confirm'd to the
Said George Nicholson his heirs and Assigns forever, One hundred and fifty
Acres of Land, lying on the Waters of Parham's Creek Adjoining William
Taylor, Isham Epps and from thence to Crawleys Line, it being part of a
Tract of Land that Meredith Poythress now lives on. To have and to hold the
Said Land and premises unto the Said George Nicholson his heirs and Assigns
forever, to the only proper Use and Behoof of the Said George Nicholson his
heirs and Assigns forever, and the Said William Cleaton doth hereby grant
for him Self and his heirs. The Said William Cleaton and his heirs and
every of them Shall and will Warrant and forever defend the Said Land and
premises and every part and Article There of and Singular and every part and
Article thereof, with all and Singular the rights and Appurtenances unto the
Said Nicholson his heirs and Assigns forever, against the Said William
Cleaton and his heirs and every of them, and against every other Person
whatsoever upon
= =p.483
upon Trust, Nevertheless that the Said George Nicholson his Heirs Executors,
Administrators or Assigns shall at any time after the first day of December
next (ensuing this date) sell for the best price that can be gotten after
giving Ten days Notice, and out of the money arising from such Sale
discharge, Pay and Satisfy to the Said Nicholson the above mentioned Sum -
with Lawful Interest from the date hereof 1789 until the Same shall be fully
discharged and the Expence attending the Sale aforesaid, and The other
necessary Expences that shall attend the Securing and obtaining the Above
Money or performing any thing that is or shall be necessary relative to the
intent of This Indenture and that the Said George Nicholson his heirs
Executors Administrators or Assigns shall pay or cause to be paid the
overplus if any remain from Such Sale to the said William Cleaton his heirs
Executors or to his Order - In witness whereof The said William Cleaton
hath hereunto set his hand and seal the day and year above written.
William (his W mark) Cleaton (L.S.)
Sealed and Delivered
in presence of
Marriott Davis
Thomas Goodwyn Taylor
Coleman (his x mark) Young
=
At a court held for Mecklenburg County the 13th day of April 1789
This Indenture of trust was proven by the Oath of Marriott Davis a witness
Thereto, and at a Court held for the Same County the 12th day of October
following The Said Indenture was further proven by the Oaths of Thomas
Goodwyn Taylor and Coleman Young two witnesses thereto and Ordered to be
recorded.
Teste John Brown Ck Curt		02/17/2009 9:57:41
[POYTHRESS] Poythress obituaryBarbara NealJust learned a couple of hours ago from my sister-in-law of the death this
week of one of my dad's cousins, and a fine, dear man.
Bpn
= = =
Published in The Meridian Star from 2/18/2009 - 2/19/2009
http://www.meridianstar.com/

James L. Poythress

Services for James Louie Poythress will be held Friday at 11 a.m. at Robert
Barham Family Funeral Home Chapel, with the Revs. Justin Knight and Carless
Evans officiating. Burial will be in Forest Lawn Cemetery. Mr. Poythress,
84, of Meridian, died Tuesday, Feb. 17, 2009, at Jeff Anderson Regional
Medical Center. Mr. Poythress graduated from Meridian High School, Meridian
Junior College and Mississippi College. He then attended Southern Baptist
Theological Seminary, where he received a bachelor's degree and a master's
degree. Mr. Poythress worked at the Meridian Post Office for 28 years until
he retired. He was also a World War veteran, having served his tour with the
Third Infantry Division in Europe. Survivors include his wife of 58 years,
Betty Harrell Poythress of Meridian; a daughter, Susan Gardner and her
husband, Mike; a son, Jimmie Poythress and his wife, Patty; three grandsons:
Jeremy Gardner and his wife, Sandra, Daniel Gardner, and Jacob Gardner; two
granddaughters, Hannah Poythress and Me'Chell Sharp and her husband, Matt;
three great-grandchildren: Ethan and Eli Faircloth and Ava Sharp; and two
cousins, Al Gartin and William Denton. He was preceded in death by his
parents, Ben and Lena Poythress; a brother, Ben Jr.; and a nephew, Bengy
Poythress. Visitation will be today, from 5 p.m.-7 p.m., at the funeral
home. Pallbearers will be his grandsons, Jeremy, Daniel and Jacob Gardner;
son-in-law, Mike Gardner; family members, Oscar Morgan and Mike Sterling;
and Robert Kelly and T.W. Calcote.		02/19/2009 12:01:22
[POYTHRESS] 1786 Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Bk 7, p.52 Meredith Poythress - William Cleaton (mentions 375 acres where??)Barbara NealTranscribed by Bpn from FHL film 1,870,876 or 32,535 Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed
Book 7, p.52. Bpn notes:

(1) I thank Maynard Poythress, who on 11 Apr 1997 provided his
transcription of this document to our Poythress List; while that
transcription was missing some words that this transcription
provides/corrects, Maynard identified for us the additional information that
a "firken" (spelled "furkin" below) was a small pail for clabber, butter,
etc.)

(2) The below-named witness Alexander Pointer was husband of William
Cleaton's daughter, Nancy (sister of Edith and Jeane), by the time Cleaton
made his will in 1791. So in 1786 Pointer may have already been Meredith
Poythress' brother-in-law.

(3) On 1 March 1786 in this document Meredith Poythress refers to (his
father-in-law) William Cleaton having paid the tax that Meredith owed for
two years of taxes on 375 acres of land. NO location is mentioned for the
land. We need to see if that land could have been in Brunswick Co, VA or
perhaps Warren Co, NC (across the state line where many Mecklenburg County
residents had numerous family connections). It appears that Meredith did
NOT own 375 acres in Mecklenburg Co, VA, unless perhaps he only owned it
from 1783 through 1786: the Mecklenburg Co, VA Land Tax records I've
previously reviewed began in 1782, in which year no Poythress was taxed in
either the Upper or Lower District. The Lower District lists were missing
for 1783 through 1786 on the films I examined, so perhaps those lists could
be found in a more thorough examination of tax records. No Poythress was
taxed for land in either District in 1787 through 1792. After 1792, a Peter
Poythress began being taxed on land; in 1797 Lewis Poythress began being
taxed as well as Peter. Later other Poythress mens' names appeared, but in
all the years of 1787 through 1850 Meredith was never taxed by Mecklenburg
for land.

(4) Yet we know that Meredith lived in Mecklenburg Co, VA beginning in
1786. Arriving in Mecklenburg in 1786 is another indication that his 375
acres of land (for which his father-in-law had paid the 2 years of tax) was
likely in some other county. We know he arrived in Mecklenburg in 1786
because he began being listed on Mecklenburg Co's Personal Property Tax List
beginning in 1786 and his listing there continued every year through 1801.
Meredith's "son Peter" was added to Meredith's own listing for both 1800 and
1801, but after that neither of them were on Mecklenburg's Personal Property
Tax List, so apparently both had gone (to Georgia, for both?).

(5) One further indication that perhaps the 375-acre tract was in a very
near county comes from the posting I made to our Poythress List on 17 Feb
2009, in a posting captioned "1789 Wm Cleaton Deed of Trust re land where
Meredith Poythress then lived." That Deed of Trust by Meredith's
father-in-law William Cleaton (who owed money to George Nicholson of Warren
Co, NC) was secured by "One hundred and fifty Acres of Land, lying on the
Waters of Parham's Creek Adjoining William Taylor, Isham Epps and from
thence to Crawleys Line, it being part of a Tract of Land that Meredith
Poythress now lives on."

(6) This March 1786 document was not listed in the Mecklenburg Deeds
Grantors Index. Even though this document is not labelled in the margin as
being a "Deed of Trust" (that is, a document securing a loan) I am convinced
that is what it is, even though it does not give a certain date when Wm
Cleaton could sell these personal items if the debt was not yet repaid, as
we have seen in other Deeds of Trust I've recently transcribed. (Not all
documents are properly labelled in the margin of the Deed Book.)

(7) I am of the opinion, based on the above, that Meredith was simply
sheltering all of his assets, by moving them into his father-in-law's name
to protect them from creditors. I don't think his father-in-law actually
took possession of the items. Meredith and his wife Edith Cleaton (who was
still alive when her father wrote his will in 1791) and their children would
have needed use of these personal items.

(8) That conclusion is reinforced by the fact that just 3 years later,
Merodith [sic] Poythress was listed as an Insolvent owing tax on 1 Horse for
the year 1789, in a list returned to the Nov 1790 Court in Mecklenburg Co,
VA by John Wilson Junr, D.Shff. This info is in a serialized article in The
Virgina Genealogist, contributed by Robert Y. Clay; Poythress appears in
Vol.22 (1978), p.49.

(9) I've added punctuation, in square brackets, to aid in reading the list
of items.
= = =
Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 7
p.52
Poythress
to
Cleaton
Know all men by these presents that I Merideth Poythress of the County
of Mecklenburg have Bargained and sold unto William Cleaton of the same
County two feather Beds and furniture[,] one Iron Pott[,] one Dutch Oven[,]
one Iron skillet; one frying pan[,] one Desk[,] half Dozen house Chaers[,]
one chest[,] one Sow and Six piggs[,] one heifer Yearling[,] one Woollings
wheel and Cards[,] one flax wheel[,] one Table[,] two pewter Dishes[,] five
plates[,] two Basons[,] three punch Boles[,] half Dozen knives and forks[,]
one Looking Glass[,] one Mare filley[,] one water pale[,] one piging[,] one
washing Tub[,] two Small axes[,] Two plow hoes[,] three weeding hoes[,] one
Coffee pot[,] Two Small Juggs[,] one Grid Iron[,] one Chees Toster[,] one
Rost meet Spit[,] two flatt Irons[,] one pare of fire Tongs and Shovel[,]
one hocake hoe[,] half Dozen Spoons[,] Two Small Casks[,] one Churn[,] one
furkin[,] one Candle Stand[,] one Reel[,] two Geese[,] forteen pottrey[,]
one Canteen[,] two Sugar Boxes[,] two Slays[,] three Bottles[,] one Raw Cow
hide[,] one fiddle[,] and all the Rest of my Goods and Chattels for the Sum
of five hundred and fifty weight of Inspected Petersburg Tobacco and
thirteen pounds Eighteen Shillings[,] and the tax of three hundred and
Seventy five Acres of Land for two years paid in hand[.] I the said
Poythress do warrant these Said articles to him the Said Cleaton Clean from
all persons whatsoever as Witness my hand and Seal
Merideth Poythress (L.S.)
Signed Sealed and Delivered
in presence of
Test
Isham Eppes
Alexander (his + mark) Pointer March 1st day, 1786
Henry Wartman
=
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 10th day of July 1786
This Bill sale was acknowledged by Merideth Poythress a party thereto and
Ordered to be recorded -
Teste John Brown Ck Curt
Examined
==		02/19/2009 12:41:20
[POYTHRESS] Demise of the Family Bible? A proposalBarbara NealHi all,

Some very helpful historic Family Bible records have been archived at great
locations for accessing for research -- some more easily accessed now
online, such as those archived at the Library of Virginia, in Richmond.

I'm realizing, after learning of the death of a dear older cousin yesterday,
that
(1) many of our families don't even keep Family Bibles any more for
recording births, deaths, and marriages; and
(2) there doesn't seem to be any similar type of family record that
virtually every family keeps, which the families could be encouraged to
place at an Archives after most/all of those listed in it have passed on.

Yes, there will be our more modern version of a lot of online data --
available in a variety of venues (some for pay; some not) and yes, Google
will probably key in on most of them, if we can get them posted online --
but many postings are not in a "one full family" format giving both parents
& all their children, with births, deaths, & marriages, similar to the info
we've gotten from the old Family Bibles.

In between the historic archived Family Bibles, and the currently maintained
info, various ones of us likely have found something (a Family Birthday
Calendar or Family Birthday Book or whatever) -- in some concise format
somewhat similar to the old Family Bible format -- info on those families of
the last half of the 1800s and first half of the 1900s.

I would propose that we post to our List those "somethings" for our
Poythress families -- NOT including dates of birth for ANY living people.
I'm thinking we can at least get now-departed relatives' names and their
family-relationships searchable in our List's Message Archives.

I hope you'll join me in doing this.
Barbara		02/20/2009 10:47:37
[POYTHRESS] infoJohn M. Poythress>From Roots-VASouthside:



Good Evening All

I a may be passing on information you already have but the topic tickled my memory bank.

The Virginia Genealogical Society at their 18 April program has Barbara Vines-Little from
Orange Virginia speaking on Beyond Patents and Grants: The Other Papers in the Virginia
Land Office Records The Records of the Auditor of Public Accounts Hidden Virginia
Resources Things I've learned in Forty Years.



An example of some her work is available at the below listed web site:

Virginia Genealogy Research

http://genealogy.about.com/library/authors/uclittle1a.htm.		02/21/2009 6:16:44
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress obituaryRandy JonesCan someone provide the parentage of Ben Poythress?

  -- Randy Jones




________________________________
From: "scruggsjudy@bellsouth.net"
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:16:40 AM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress obituary

Thank you Barbara,
I will post this to my records.
Judy
-------------- Original message from Barbara Neal : --------------


> Just learned a couple of hours ago from my sister-in-law of the death this
> week of one of my dad's cousins, and a fine, dear man.
> Bpn
> = = =
> Published in The Meridian Star from 2/18/2009 - 2/19/2009
> http://www.meridianstar.com/
>
> James L. Poythress
>
> Services for James Louie Poythress will be held Friday at 11 a.m. at Robert
> Barham Family Funeral Home Chapel, with the Revs. Justin Knight and Carless
> Evans officiating. Burial will be in Forest Lawn Cemetery. Mr. Poythress,
> 84, of Meridian, died Tuesday, Feb. 17, 2009, at Jeff Anderson Regional
> Medical Center. Mr. Poythress graduated from Meridian High School, Meridian
> Junior College and Mississippi College. He then attended Southern Baptist
> Theological Seminary, where he received a bachelor's degree and a master's
> degree. Mr. Poythress worked at the Meridian Post Office for 28 years until
> he retired. He was also a World War veteran, having served his tour with the
> Third Infantry Division in Europe. Survivors include his wife of 58 years,
> Betty Harrell Poythress of Meridian; a daughter, Susan Gardner and her
> husband, Mike; a son, Jimmie Poythress and his wife, Patty; three grandsons:
> Jeremy Gardner and his wife, Sandra, Daniel Gardner, and Jacob Gardner; two
> granddaughters, Hannah Poythress and Me'Chell Sharp and her husband, Matt;
> three great-grandchildren: Ethan and Eli Faircloth and Ava Sharp; and two
> cousins, Al Gartin and William Denton. He was preceded in death by his
> parents, Ben and Lena Poythress; a brother, Ben Jr.; and a nephew, Bengy
> Poythress. Visitation will be today, from 5 p.m.-7 p.m., at the funeral
> home. Pallbearers will be his grandsons, Jeremy, Daniel and Jacob Gardner;
> son-in-law, Mike Gardner; family members, Oscar Morgan and Mike Sterling;
> and Robert Kelly and T.W. Calcote.
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in
> the subject and the body of the message

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress obituaryThank you Barbara,
I will post this to my records.
Judy
-------------- Original message from Barbara Neal : --------------


> Just learned a couple of hours ago from my sister-in-law of the death this
> week of one of my dad's cousins, and a fine, dear man.
> Bpn
> = = =
> Published in The Meridian Star from 2/18/2009 - 2/19/2009
> http://www.meridianstar.com/
>
> James L. Poythress
>
> Services for James Louie Poythress will be held Friday at 11 a.m. at Robert
> Barham Family Funeral Home Chapel, with the Revs. Justin Knight and Carless
> Evans officiating. Burial will be in Forest Lawn Cemetery. Mr. Poythress,
> 84, of Meridian, died Tuesday, Feb. 17, 2009, at Jeff Anderson Regional
> Medical Center. Mr. Poythress graduated from Meridian High School, Meridian
> Junior College and Mississippi College. He then attended Southern Baptist
> Theological Seminary, where he received a bachelor's degree and a master's
> degree. Mr. Poythress worked at the Meridian Post Office for 28 years until
> he retired. He was also a World War veteran, having served his tour with the
> Third Infantry Division in Europe. Survivors include his wife of 58 years,
> Betty Harrell Poythress of Meridian; a daughter, Susan Gardner and her
> husband, Mike; a son, Jimmie Poythress and his wife, Patty; three grandsons:
> Jeremy Gardner and his wife, Sandra, Daniel Gardner, and Jacob Gardner; two
> granddaughters, Hannah Poythress and Me'Chell Sharp and her husband, Matt;
> three great-grandchildren: Ethan and Eli Faircloth and Ava Sharp; and two
> cousins, Al Gartin and William Denton. He was preceded in death by his
> parents, Ben and Lena Poythress; a brother, Ben Jr.; and a nephew, Bengy
> Poythress. Visitation will be today, from 5 p.m.-7 p.m., at the funeral
> home. Pallbearers will be his grandsons, Jeremy, Daniel and Jacob Gardner;
> son-in-law, Mike Gardner; family members, Oscar Morgan and Mike Sterling;
> and Robert Kelly and T.W. Calcote.
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in
> the subject and the body of the message		02/22/2009 8:16:40
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress obituaryRandy JonesThanks so much.

  -- Randy Jones




________________________________
From: Barbara Neal
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:32:48 PM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress obituary

I presume, Randy, you're asking about the Ben Poythress whose name was
mentioned as father of James Louie Poythress, whose obit I posted a few days
ago.

Ben Edward Poythress (whose actual first name was Bennie, per family
records) was the youngest son of
- Algernon Edward Poythress (b.12 Aug 1844 in Mecklenburg Co, VA & d.11 Apr
1918 in Lauderdale Co, MS), and
- Ellen Belle McKinley (b.18 Aug 1851 in Sumter Co, AL & d.6 Aug 1918 in
Lauderdale Co, MS).
A.E. Poythress & Ellen married 25 Aug 1868 in Sumter Co, AL.

Algernon (or A.E., as all the records tend to list him) had moved from
Mecklenburg Co, VA to Sumter Co, AL as a child, in about Jan 1853, with all
his siblings and their parents, who were
- James Edward Poythress (b.13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg Co, VA & died 17 Jan
1863 in Sumter Co, AL) and
- Catherine Preston (b.20 Jan 1800 in Brunswick Co, VA & died 18 Oct 1884
in Sumter Co, AL)  James & Catherine married in Feb 1828 in Brunswick Co,
VA.

Barbara

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress obituaryBarbara NealI presume, Randy, you're asking about the Ben Poythress whose name was
mentioned as father of James Louie Poythress, whose obit I posted a few days
ago.

Ben Edward Poythress (whose actual first name was Bennie, per family
records) was the youngest son of
- Algernon Edward Poythress (b.12 Aug 1844 in Mecklenburg Co, VA & d.11 Apr
1918 in Lauderdale Co, MS), and
- Ellen Belle McKinley (b.18 Aug 1851 in Sumter Co, AL & d.6 Aug 1918 in
Lauderdale Co, MS).
A.E. Poythress & Ellen married 25 Aug 1868 in Sumter Co, AL.

Algernon (or A.E., as all the records tend to list him) had moved from
Mecklenburg Co, VA to Sumter Co, AL as a child, in about Jan 1853, with all
his siblings and their parents, who were
- James Edward Poythress (b.13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg Co, VA & died 17 Jan
1863 in Sumter Co, AL) and
- Catherine Preston (b.20 Jan 1800 in Brunswick Co, VA & died 18 Oct 1884
in Sumter Co, AL) James & Catherine married in Feb 1828 in Brunswick Co,
VA.

Barbara		02/22/2009 10:32:48
[POYTHRESS] James Speed Poythress name ideaJulie CabittoI have several Poythress emails I want to thoroughly go through and reply to. Haven't read through all these postings here yet, but want to make a theory on the name. My theory is that it's very likely your James Speed Poythress was named after James Speed, the father of Sarah Speed.
There is a James Speed that was Newman Dortch's father in law. I have a chancery referencing the will. It doesn't exist anymore in the courthouse or Library of Virginia. I cannot find any record of this James Speed other than this chancery. And three daughters are mentioned, wit the relationships totally spelled out clearly. So what if he's named after just James Speed? This chancery is pretty small, and includes a plat. I can scan it as a PDF and email it to you.
For years, everyone listed Sarah Speed, the wife of Newman Dortch as the daughter of John Speed. But the chancery states her father is James Speed. And she has 3 sisters which are: Martha, married to Nathaniel Moss; Mary, married to Lewis Dortch (moved to Georgia); and Elizabeth Speed, not married at the time of the chancery in 1822. I keep looking for more on this James Speed, and this chancery is all I can find. He actually died in Mecklenburg in 1822. He was a widow for a long time. I can't even find a marriage record for him. This James Speed left his home to Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed, because Newman moved in with him, financially cared for him, and put more money into make improvements and caring for James than the land was worth. So if you were raised in your grandfathers house, it would make a good first and middle name. This James Speed is Mary Speed Dortch's grandfather.
I keep showing the plat to people, but no one has any idea where the land could have been back then. A courthouse Rd runs through the property, but no such road exists today or on any old maps I can find. Some people told me at that time, there wasn't a courthouse, records were stored at the Judge's house. So I guess I have to find out where the judge then lived.
Julie

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Re: [POYTHRESS] James Speed Poythress name ideaJulie, you have sure given a great possibility for the name of my G-Grandfather James Speed Poythress. Seems the Speed, Dortch and Taylor families have been linked one way or another for many generations. I hope you find more about this James Speed at some point and I will surely be keeping my eyes open in future research. I would love a scan of the Chancery you have. By chance do you know anything about the Lewis Dortch you mentioned? All of the Poythress men, for the most part had very common or Biblical names, John, Thomas, James, David, George and then we have Lewis Poythress who shows up, so anytime I see a Lewis of surname that has been linked to Poythress,it triggers a little red flag with me. The same for the name Meredith as we have a Meredith Poythress and that is also not a common name of that period.

Thanks so much again for your information regarding James Speed. I haven't done much research on the wives of my ancestors but I am hoping to start researching them this summer.

Take Care,
Elaine






I have several Poythress emails I want to thoroughly go through and reply to.
Haven't read through all these postings here yet, but want to make a theory on
the name. My theory is that it's very likely your James Speed Poythress was
named after James Speed, the father of Sarah Speed.
There is a James Speed that was Newman Dortch's father in law. I have a chancery
referencing the will. It doesn't exist anymore in the courthouse or Library of
Virginia. I cannot find any record of this James Speed other than this chancery.
And three daughters are mentioned, wit the relationships totally spelled out
clearly. So what if he's named after just James Speed? This chancery is pretty
small, and includes a plat. I can scan it as a PDF and email it to you.
For years, everyone listed Sarah Speed, the wife of Newman Dortch as the
daughter of John Speed. But the chancery states her father is James Speed. And
she has 3 sisters which are: Martha, married to Nathaniel Moss; Mary, married to
Lewis Dortch (moved to Georgia); and Elizabeth Speed, not married at the time of
the chancery in 1822. I keep looking for more on this James Speed, and this
chancery is all I can find. He actually died in Mecklenburg in 1822. He was a
widow for a long time. I can't even find a marriage record for him. This James
Speed left his home to Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed, because Newman moved in
with him, financially cared for him, and put more money into make improvements
and caring for James than the land was worth. So if you were raised in your
grandfathers house, it would make a good first and middle name. This James Speed
is Mary Speed Dortch's grandfather.
I keep showing the plat to people, but no one has any idea where the land could
have been back then. A courthouse Rd runs through the property, but no such road
exists today or on any old maps I can find. Some people told me at that time,
there wasn't a courthouse, records were stored at the Judge's house. So I guess
I have to find out where the judge then lived.

Julie

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[POYTHRESS] Taylor & Speed & Poythress? James Speed PoythressBarbara NealSome years ago, I tried to track down why "Speed" was the middle name for
James Speed Poythress, and why my own line of Poythresses had listed "Speed"
as the middle name of the wife of James Edward Poythress (Catherine Speed
Preston).

At that time, I learned there had been a prominent Speed family in the
Brunswick-Mecklenburg county area of VA, much admired by many in the
community, but I could find no reason beyond just admiration to account for
it.

The below potential connection doesn't help re my Preston ancestor, but more
research among the Taylor family may determine whether this accounts for
James Speed Poythress' middle name. To refresh memories re him: We have
concluded that James Speed Poythress was the son (born in 1806 from his age
in numerous censuses) of Lewis Poythress by Lewis' 2nd wife, Rebecca B.
Taylor.

Today's find is from TLC Genealogy's 1990 volume of abstracts of Mecklenburg
Co, VA Deeds 1765-1771 (that is, Deed Books 1 & 2). In reading this
abstract, we must keep in mind that back in those days, "son-in-law" could
refer not only to the husband of one's daughter, but also to a stepson. It
gives this abstract from DB 2, p.185, using "M" as an abbreviation in their
abstract for Mecklenburg:

"I, John Speed of M, for the love I have for my son-in-law, William Taylor
of M, and for sundry other causes, a certain tract of land in M on the East
Branch of Cocks Cr containing about 46 acres and bounded by John Eaton,
Colo John Ruffin, Taylor's old line, Henry Delony. Signed - John Speed.
Wit - none. Recorded Mar 13, 1769."		02/25/2009 5:23:05
Re: [POYTHRESS] Taylor & Speed & Poythress? James Speed PoythressBarbara NealCorrection: I should know better than to try to go by memory. What I meant
to say is that James Speed Poythress was born in 1829, son of David
Poythress. It was David who was the son born in 1806 of Lewis Poythress &
Rebecca B. Taylor. So James Speed Poythress' paternal grandmother was the
Taylor, through whose line the potential connection to Speed could have
flowed.

Sorry for the confusion; we have enough confusion in the Poythress arena
without me contributing to it;)
Bpn

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Some years ago, I tried to track down why "Speed" was the middle name for
> James Speed Poythress, and why my own line of Poythresses had listed "Speed"
> as the middle name of the wife of James Edward Poythress (Catherine Speed
> Preston).
>
> At that time, I learned there had been a prominent Speed family in the
> Brunswick-Mecklenburg county area of VA, much admired by many in the
> community, but I could find no reason beyond just admiration to account for
> it.
>
> The below potential connection doesn't help re my Preston ancestor, but
> more research among the Taylor family may determine whether this accounts
> for James Speed Poythress' middle name. To refresh memories re him: We
> have concluded that James Speed Poythress was the son (born in 1806 from his
> age in numerous censuses) of Lewis Poythress by Lewis' 2nd wife, Rebecca B.
> Taylor.
>
> Today's find is from TLC Genealogy's 1990 volume of abstracts of
> Mecklenburg Co, VA Deeds 1765-1771 (that is, Deed Books 1 & 2). In reading
> this abstract, we must keep in mind that back in those days, "son-in-law"
> could refer not only to the husband of one's daughter, but also to a
> stepson. It gives this abstract from DB 2, p.185, using "M" as an
> abbreviation in their abstract for Mecklenburg:
>
> "I, John Speed of M, for the love I have for my son-in-law, William
> Taylor of M, and for sundry other causes, a certain tract of land in M on
> the East Branch of Cocks Cr containing about 46 acres and bounded by John
> Eaton, Colo John Ruffin, Taylor's old line, Henry Delony. Signed - John
> Speed. Wit - none. Recorded Mar 13, 1769."
>
>		02/25/2009 5:30:26
Re: [POYTHRESS] Taylor & Speed & Poythress? James Speed PoythressBarbara NealMore amplification, & then I quit for today -- obviously I need more
coffee: If this potential connection through the Taylor line was in his
paternal grandmother's ancestry, then there was a likely double Speed
connection, since James Speed Poythress' mother's name (wife of David
Poythress) was Mary Speed Dortch.
Bpn

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Correction: I should know better than to try to go by memory. What I
> meant to say is that James Speed Poythress was born in 1829, son of David
> Poythress. It was David who was the son born in 1806 of Lewis Poythress &
> Rebecca B. Taylor. So James Speed Poythress' paternal grandmother was the
> Taylor, through whose line the potential connection to Speed could have
> flowed.
>
> Sorry for the confusion; we have enough confusion in the Poythress arena
> without me contributing to it;)
> Bpn
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:
>
>> Some years ago, I tried to track down why "Speed" was the middle name for
>> James Speed Poythress, and why my own line of Poythresses had listed "Speed"
>> as the middle name of the wife of James Edward Poythress (Catherine Speed
>> Preston).
>>
>> At that time, I learned there had been a prominent Speed family in the
>> Brunswick-Mecklenburg county area of VA, much admired by many in the
>> community, but I could find no reason beyond just admiration to account for
>> it.
>>
>> The below potential connection doesn't help re my Preston ancestor, but
>> more research among the Taylor family may determine whether this accounts
>> for James Speed Poythress' middle name. To refresh memories re him: We
>> have concluded that James Speed Poythress was the son (born in 1806 from his
>> age in numerous censuses) of Lewis Poythress by Lewis' 2nd wife, Rebecca B.
>> Taylor.
>>
>> Today's find is from TLC Genealogy's 1990 volume of abstracts of
>> Mecklenburg Co, VA Deeds 1765-1771 (that is, Deed Books 1 & 2). In reading
>> this abstract, we must keep in mind that back in those days, "son-in-law"
>> could refer not only to the husband of one's daughter, but also to a
>> stepson. It gives this abstract from DB 2, p.185, using "M" as an
>> abbreviation in their abstract for Mecklenburg:
>>
>> "I, John Speed of M, for the love I have for my son-in-law, William
>> Taylor of M, and for sundry other causes, a certain tract of land in M on
>> the East Branch of Cocks Cr containing about 46 acres and bounded by John
>> Eaton, Colo John Ruffin, Taylor's old line, Henry Delony. Signed - John
>> Speed. Wit - none. Recorded Mar 13, 1769."
>>
>>
>		02/25/2009 5:40:20
Re: [POYTHRESS] Taylor & Speed & Poythress? James Speed PoythressHi Barbara and all. My great great?grandfather David Poythress married Mary Speed Dortch and my Great Grandfather James Speed Poythress would have been so named from his mothers lineage.?I have not researched her yet but if memory serves me correctly someone on this list has done some work on the Dortch & Speed lineage.

Take Care,
Elaine


-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Neal
To: Poythress
Sent: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Taylor & Speed & Poythress? James Speed Poythress



Correction: I should know better than to try to go by memory. What I meant
to say is that James Speed Poythress was born in 1829, son of David
Poythress. It was David who was the son born in 1806 of Lewis Poythress &
Rebecca B. Taylor. So James Speed Poythress' paternal grandmother was the
Taylor, through whose line the potential connection to Speed could have
flowed.

Sorry for the confusion; we have enough confusion in the Poythress arena
without me contributing to it;)
Bpn

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Some years ago, I tried to track down why "Speed" was the middle name for
> James Speed Poythress, and why my own line of Poythresses had listed "Speed"
> as the middle name of the wife of James Edward Poythress (Catherine Speed
> Preston).
>
> At that time, I learned there had been a prominent Speed family in the
> Brunswick-Mecklenburg county area of VA, much admired by many in the
> community, but I could find no reason beyond just admiration to account for
> it.
>
> The below potential connection doesn't help re my Preston ancestor, but
> more research among the Taylor family may determine whether this accounts
> for James Speed Poythress' middle name. To refresh memories re him: We
> have concluded that James Speed Poythress was the son (born in 1806 from his
> age in numerous censuses) of Lewis Poythress by Lewis' 2nd wife, Rebecca B.
> Taylor.
>
> Today's find is from TLC Genealogy's 1990 volume of abstracts of
> Mecklenburg Co, VA Deeds 1765-1771 (that is, Deed Books 1 & 2). In reading
> this abstract, we must keep in mind that back in those days, "son-in-law"
> could refer not only to the husband of one's daughter, but also to a
> stepson. It gives this abstract from DB 2, p.185, using "M" as an
> abbreviation in their abstract for Mecklenburg:
>
> "I, John Speed of M, for the love I have for my son-in-law, William
> Taylor of M, and for sundry other causes, a certain tract of land in M on
> the East Branch of Cocks Cr containing about 46 ac
res and bounded by John
> Eaton, Colo John Ruffin, Taylor's old line, Henry Delony. Signed - John
> Speed. Wit - none. Recorded Mar 13, 1769."
>
>

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Taylor & Speed & Poythress? James Speed PoythressSarah PoythressHi, Elaine,
Were David's 2 wives sisters? I have Mary listed as a Speed with her mother
giving consent for her to marry.
Do you have any information on George W. Poythress. I have some, but think
it is George Y. son of Edward & Mahaley. I would love to get the two
separated.
Sarah		02/25/2009 9:07:12
Re: [POYTHRESS] Taylor & Speed & Poythress? James Speed PoythressSarah, I don't think that the two wives (Mary Speed Dortch and Sarah Dortch) of David Poythress have been proven sisters. I haven't researched any of the wives of the Poythress men. It is very likely they were related but exactly how I don't know. I do not have information on the George W. Poythress who is the son of David Poythress other than?I didn't find him anywhere after the 1880 Census (I believe Warren County N.C)?where he?is listed as William Poythress and is living in the household of his sister Mary A. Poythress Vaughn and her husband. The George W. Poythress in Person County N.C. is the son of Edward Poythress and Mahaley.

Take Care,
Elaine






Hi, Elaine,
Were David's 2 wives sisters? I have Mary listed as a Speed with her mother
giving consent for her to marry.
Do you have any information on George W. Poythress. I have some, but think
it is George Y. son of Edward & Mahaley. I would love to get the two
separated.
Sarah



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Re: [POYTHRESS] Taylor & Speed & Poythress? James Speed PoythressPatElaine and Sarah,

what are the dates on George W. Poythress?
Could he be my William Poythress age 23 that married Julia age 18, shown in
1850 Census for Greensville Co VA and had daughter Martha born in 1858?
Daughter Martha married in Greensville co VA in 1880. Julia appears with
no husband in the 1870 Greensville co VA census so I have always thought
that my William Poythress died in the Civil War.

Pat
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> Sarah, I don't think that the two wives (Mary Speed Dortch and Sarah
> Dortch) of David Poythress have been proven sisters. I haven't researched
> any of the wives of the Poythress men. It is very likely they were related
> but exactly how I don't know. I do not have information on the George W.
> Poythress who is the son of David Poythress other than?I didn't find him
> anywhere after the 1880 Census (I believe Warren County N.C)?where he?is
> listed as William Poythress and is living in the household of his sister
> Mary A. Poythress Vaughn and her husband. The George W. Poythress in
> Person County N.C. is the son of Edward Poythress and Mahaley.
>
> Take Care,
> Elaine
>
> Hi, Elaine,
> Were David's 2 wives sisters? I have Mary listed as a Speed with her
> mother
> giving consent for her to marry.
> Do you have any information on George W. Poythress. I have some, but
> think
> it is George Y. son of Edward & Mahaley. I would love to get the two
> separated.
> Sarah
>

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Taylor & Speed & Poythress? James Speed PoythressSarah PoythressHi Pat,
The date I have for George W. (William) is 1841 and George Y. 1837. Both
would have been to young to be the William shown in 1850 census.
Sarah		02/25/2009 12:28:01
Re: [POYTHRESS] Taylor & Speed & Poythress? James Speed PoythressPat I have the same dates so they cannot be your William.

Take Care,
Elaine






Hi Pat,
The date I have for George W. (William) is 1841 and George Y. 1837. Both
would have been to young to be the William shown in 1850 census.
Sarah



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Re: [POYTHRESS] Taylor & Speed & Poythress? James Speed PoythressSarah PoythressElaine,
Thanks for your quick response. Sarah



02/25/2009 12:33:20
Re: [POYTHRESS] Taylor & Speed & Poythress? James Speed PoythressBarbara,
The Taylors show up in the Speed family also.
John Speed , the second son of James B.Speed & Mary Pulley was born Feb.5,1714.He lived in Mecklenburg County, Va. He married a widow named Mary Taylor. Her maiden name was Minetry.
They were married Oct. 6,1737 in Surrey Co,Va. which is the County in which James Speed lived. John & Mary were married for 45 yr. She died July 1,1782 & he died March 8, 1785. They had seven sons & 4 daughters.The daughters were:Sarah born Feb.14,1743, Martha born Aug.11,1748, Lucy bornApril 11,1752 & Mary who died young.. One of the sons was named Lewis born Jan. 25,1745.

There are several Mary Speeds and Sarah Speeds in my line. One Sarah ( Sally( Speed is shown married to a William Pegues. I have always wondered if that could be Wm. Poythress.They married July 16,1797.
Thanks,
Judy Speed Scruggs
-------------- Original message from Barbara Neal : --------------


> Some years ago, I tried to track down why "Speed" was the middle name for
> James Speed Poythress, and why my own line of Poythresses had listed "Speed"
> as the middle name of the wife of James Edward Poythress (Catherine Speed
> Preston).
>
> At that time, I learned there had been a prominent Speed family in the
> Brunswick-Mecklenburg county area of VA, much admired by many in the
> community, but I could find no reason beyond just admiration to account for
> it.
>
> The below potential connection doesn't help re my Preston ancestor, but more
> research among the Taylor family may determine whether this accounts for
> James Speed Poythress' middle name. To refresh memories re him: We have
> concluded that James Speed Poythress was the son (born in 1806 from his age
> in numerous censuses) of Lewis Poythress by Lewis' 2nd wife, Rebecca B.
> Taylor.
>
> Today's find is from TLC Genealogy's 1990 volume of abstracts of Mecklenburg
> Co, VA Deeds 1765-1771 (that is, Deed Books 1 & 2). In reading this
> abstract, we must keep in mind that back in those days, "son-in-law" could
> refer not only to the husband of one's daughter, but also to a stepson. It
> gives this abstract from DB 2, p.185, using "M" as an abbreviation in their
> abstract for Mecklenburg:
>
> "I, John Speed of M, for the love I have for my son-in-law, William Taylor
> of M, and for sundry other causes, a certain tract of land in M on the East
> Branch of Cocks Cr containing about 46 acres and bounded by John Eaton,
> Colo John Ruffin, Taylor's old line, Henry Delony. Signed - John Speed.
> Wit - none. Recorded Mar 13, 1769."
>
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> the subject and the body of the message		02/26/2009 6:58:24
[POYTHRESS] Names from family connections - Speed etcBarbara NealThanks so much, Judy and Julie, for the Speed family info (copied below).
Julie, I would appreciate knowing which Chancery Case you referred to in
your info copied at the bottom here. If it's not one that's already piled
up here, awaiting my attention;) then yes I'd appreciate a PDF scan of it.

Elaine, I've found it interesting that as I've been plowing through old Deed
Books in Mecklenburg Co, I've seen numerous documents by families with
surnames of both "Lewis" and "Meredith." So perhaps both Lewis Poythress &
Meredith Poythress were named for some admiration or some connection to
those families.

Judy, that "Pegues" name you mentioned is a very prominent name from South
Carolina, by the way. It's pronounced with a hard "G' (like in geezer) and
with the emphasis on the 2nd syllable, as "Puh - GEEZ" -- which I learned a
couple of years ago after mispronouncing it for ages.

Judy, I would appreciate getting more of the Speed line from you -- both re
the children of James B Speed & Mary Pulley, and for any other dates &
spouses' names, too, if available, for the kids of John Speed & Mary Taylor
-- probably off-List would be best, since many others may not care for this
side-issue;)

Thanks, folks!
Bpn
= =
Judy said: "John Speed , the second son of James B. Speed & Mary Pulley
was born Feb.5,1714.He lived in Mecklenburg County, Va. He married a widow
named Mary Taylor. Her maiden name was Minetry. They were married Oct.
6,1737 in Surrey Co,Va. which is the County in which James Speed lived. John
& Mary were married for 45 yr. She died July 1,1782 & he died March 8, 1785.
They had seven sons & 4 daughters.The daughters were:Sarah born Feb.14,1743,
Martha born Aug.11,1748, Lucy born April 11,1752 & Mary who died young.. One
of the sons was named Lewis born Jan. 25,1745. There are several Mary Speeds
and Sarah Speeds in my line. One Sarah ( Sally) Speed is shown married to a
William Pegues. I have always wondered if that could be Wm. Poythress.They
married July 16,1797."

Julie said: "There is a James Speed that was Newman Dortch's father in law.
I have a chancery referencing the will. It doesn't exist anymore in the
courthouse or Library of Virginia. I cannot find any record of this James
Speed other than this chancery. And three daughters are mentioned, wit the
relationships totally spelled out clearly. So what if he's named after just
James Speed? This chancery is pretty small, and includes a plat. I can scan
it as a PDF and email it to you. For years, everyone listed Sarah Speed,
the wife of Newman Dortch as the daughter of John Speed. But the chancery
states her father is James Speed. And she has 3 sisters which are: Martha,
married to Nathaniel Moss; Mary, married to Lewis Dortch (moved to Georgia);
and Elizabeth Speed, not married at the time of the chancery in 1822. I keep
looking for more on this James Speed, and this chancery is all I can find.
He actually died in Mecklenburg in 1822. He was a widow for a long time. I
can't even find a marriage record for him. This James Speed left his home
to Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed, because Newman moved in with him,
financially cared for him, and put more money into make improvements and
caring for James than the land was worth. So if you were raised in your
grandfathers house, it would make a good first and middle name. This James
Speed is Mary Speed Dortch's grandfather."		02/26/2009 10:13:32
[POYTHRESS] Mary Speed Dortch wife of David PoythressBarbara NealJulie, point of clarification needed here, please. In your message about
the James Speed Poythress name idea, that I just quoted in a message about
Names from family connections, you mentioned Sarah Speed as the wife of
Newman Dortch. I thought his wife's name was Ann, from the below marriage
record saying Mary Speed Dortch's mother Ann gave permission for her
marriage to David Poythress. Did you possibly mis-speak like I did
yesterday, -- or am I confusing two Newman Dortches, or ??

Mecklenburg Co, VA: I had noted that for the marriage of David Poythress &
Mary Speed Dortch, a Marriage Consent was signed by her mother, Ann Dortch,
dated 16 Dec 1827, and witnessed by Isaac Taylor and Eliz. C. Dortch. The
Marriage Bond, bearing marks of David Poytress and Isaac Taylor as bondsman,
was dated 17 Dec 1827.

Thanks for any clarification.
Bpn		02/26/2009 10:48:23
[POYTHRESS] Peter Poythress witness to Deed 1783 for 90 ac Mecklenburg Co landBarbara NealI suspect this witness would be the Peter Poythress who is listed by Batte
as "of Branchester." Batte shows he lived from 1715 to 1785. Both Batte
and Dr. Claiborne Thweatt Smith (in his article "Poythress of Prince George
County, Virginia" contained in John Bennett Boddie's 1960 volume,
"Historical Southern Families, Volume IV") show this Peter Poythress married
his first cousin Elizabeth Bland and had 9 children - one son and 8
daughters, through whom they have many descendants, noted Batte. One child
of Peter Poythress & Elizabeth Bland was Anne Poythress who married John
Randolph. In Maynard's compilation that he's made available to us of
various counties' records (which he compiled from various authors' published
records, as I understand it), he shows that Peter Poythress' Prince George
Co, VA will was dated 5 Oct 1785, and recorded 10 Jan 1786. He cited U. S.
Circuit CT, Box 159, 1857 “Randolph vs Randolph’s Exors” (file 1), but I'm
not privy to how he learned about that, or where we could see the case
file. Presumably that case file must have a copy of Peter's will.

The reasons I suspect Peter of Branchester would be the correct Peter
Poythress for this document, are because:

(1) the participants were from all around -- Dinwiddie Co & Brunswick Co,
while the land being sold was in Mecklenburg Co. Thus the March 1783
witnesses could have been from where ever they were drawing up the
document. Peter Poythress having been of Branchester in Prince George Co is
not eliminated. Both Brunswick Co (in 1732) and Dinwiddie Co (in 1752) were
formed out of part of Prince George Co, by the way.

(2) It would fit that Peter Poythress' death in about 1785 was one cause
for Atkinson to need to re-acknowledge the deed in July 1785, since not all
the original 1783 witnesses (including Peter) were available to acknowledge
the Deed's validity.

I have not seen the full deed yet in Deed Book 6, and I'm not sure doing so
would add a lot to what we can know from this abstract. I am not familiar
with the other names mentioned in the land description, or the other
witnesses.

I located this abstract in TLC Genealogy's 1991 volume of abstracts of
Mecklenburg Co, VA Deeds 1779-1786 (that is, Deed Book 6). It gives this
abstract from:

Mecklenburg Co, VA DB 6, p.483, using "M" as an abbreviation in their
abstract for "Mecklenburg:"
= =
Mar 27, 1783 from Roger Atkinson of Dinwiddie County, to John Ogburn of
Brunswick County, for 5,000 pounds of nett, inspected, crop tobacco, about
90 acres in M adjoining the lands of David Dardin, Joel Traylor, James
Crook, it being the same land said Atkinson lately bought of William Talley
(and which Thos Prosize now lives on) by M deed. Signed - Roger Atkinson.
Wit - Joseph Jones, Peter Poythress, Charles Cabaness, John Atkinson.
=
Jul 5, 1785. I Hereby reacknowledge the within deed. Signed - Roger
Atkinson. Wit - Charles Ogburn, Mark Russell, Benjamin Ogburn, Isaac (+
his mark) Russell. Recorded Jul 11, 1785.		02/26/2009 12:00:03
[POYTHRESS] Wm Poythress witn 1772-1773; Taylor; Cleaton; & moreBarbara NealBpn notes:
(1) This makes for a long message, but I'm combining these documents'
abstracts in one message because they all pertain to one William Poythress
who witnessed several Mecklenburg Co, VA documents in 1772-1773. Additional
clarifying deeds referred to in those witnessed by Wm Poythress, are added
to help in locating the land. The documents include many names recognized
from the area, some of which are families known to be kin to others.

(2) The William Poythress who witnessed these Mecklenburg Co, VA documents
in 1772-1773 did not live in Mecklenburg Co, VA in 1782 or later (1782 is
when the county's Tax Records for Personal Property and Land began).
Whether he ever lived in Mecklenburg is unknown.

(3) This William Poythress would not have been the son of Peter Poythress of
Branchester in PG Co, since that William (son of Peter of Branchester) was
born 1765 (according to Batte), and would thus be too young to be this
witness.

(4) I suspect this witness was the William Poythress who lived across the
state line in Bertie Co, NC, though if anyone thinks this is a different
William Poythress, I would welcome hearing who. The William Poythress of
Bertie Co, NC deeds, appears in several Bertie deed abstracts dated Feb 1764
to Feb 1777 (which I will post after posting this message). It was common
for people to appear on both sides of that state line, due to the river.

(5) Note that the date of March 8, 1773 is shared by several of these
documents, in the making and/or recording of these documents, and even in a
deed -- Langford to Hargrove, for land bounded by Cleaton -- that was
referenced in one Deed of Trust here. That Langford to Hargrove deed is one
of the additional clarifying deeds included here for reference.

(6) Within these documents, parentheses are shown as in the TLC Genealogy
volumes. Square brackets are for my own clarifications.

= = / / = =
#1 document of 6 bearing name of witness William Poythress:
Abstract of this Deed of Trust from Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 3, p.439,
re-transcribed here by Bpn from TLC Genealogy's 1991 volume of Mecklenburg
Co, VA Deeds 1771-1776 (Deed Books 3 & 4; note TLC uses "M" as an
abbreviation for "Mecklenburg"):
Aug 17, 1772 from Thomas Taylor Jr, planter of M, to Messrs Dinwiddie
Crawford & Co, Merchants in Glasgow, for 160 £, 3 tracts of land in M
containing about 230 acres, and bounded as will appear by M deeds granted to
the said Thomas Taylor Jr on Jul 12, 1768, Sep 27, 1770, and Jul 14, 1772.
If Taylor pays Dinwiddie Crawford & Co 160 £ + lawful interest by May 1,
1774, then this deed to be void; otherwise Dinwiddie Crawford & Co may
dispose of the land. Signed - Thomas Taylor Jr. Wit - Lewis Parham, Richard
Wyatt, William Poythress, John Lucas. Recorded Sep 14, 1772.
=
For reference, here are abstracts of the 3 deeds mentioned immediately above
[I realize the first mentioned above shows 12 Jul instead of the 11 Jul item
found. Sometimes the way the Clerk wrote his "1" and "2" made it difficult
for us today to detect the difference]:
= (1) Abstract from TLC Genealogy's 1990 volume of Mecklenburg Co, VA Deeds
1765-1771, Deed Book 2, p.95:
Jul 11, 1768 from Thomas Stegall (Steagall) of Brunswick County, to
Thomas Taylor Jr of M, for 70 £, a certain tract of land in M on both sides
of the Wolf Petrun [Bpn note: this would be the Wolf Pit run, seen in other
Mecklenburg records] containing about 80 acres, it being part of the 330
acres granted to William Poole by letters patent dated Jun 1, 1750, and
bounded by Flatt Cr, Thomas Taylor, the patent line, Ephraim Mabry.
Signed - Thomas Steagall. Wit - none. The deed was acknowledged by Thomas
Steagall and Elizabeth, his wife. Recorded Jul 11, 1768.
= (2) Abstract from TLC Genealogy's 1990 volume of Mecklenburg Co, VA Deeds
1765-1771, Deed Book 2, p.516:
Sep 27, 1770 from James Blanks Daws of M, to Thomas Taylor Jr of M, for
107 £ 10 shillings, a certain tract of land in M on the north side of Flat
Cr, about 150 acres bounded by the mouth of the Mill Branch, Thomas Dun.
Signed - James Blanks Daws. Wit - Walter Poole, William (X his mark)
Taylor, David (X his mark) Taylor. The deed was acknowledged by James
Blanks Daws and Sarah, his wife. Recorded Oct 8, 1770.
= (3) Abstract from TLC Genealogy's 1991 volume of Mecklenburg Co, VA Deeds
1771-1776, Deed Book 3, p.434:
Jul 14, 1772 from Goodwyn Taylor of M, to Thomas Taylor, Jr of M, for 25
£, about 20 acres in M, bounded by Flat Cr, Goodwyn Taylor's old line, the
edge of the low grounds. Signed - Goodwyn Taylor. Wit - Thomas Taylor,
William Taylor, James Taylor. Recorded Aug 10, 1772.

= = / / = =
# 2 document of 6 bearing name of witness William Poythress:
Abstract of this deed from Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 3, p.541,
re-transcribed here by Bpn from TLC Genealogy's 1991 volume of Mecklenburg
Co, VA Deeds 1771-1776 (Deed Books 3 & 4; note TLC uses "M" as an
abbreviation for "Mecklenburg"):
Nov 13, 1772 from Thomas Taylor of M, to James Taylor of M for 180 £, a
certain tract of land of 210 acres in M, and bounded by the Mill Branch,
Thomas Dunn, Flat Cr, Thomas Taylor, Goodwyn Taylor, the edge of the low
grounds. Signed - Thomas Taylor. Wit - Lewis Parham, John Lucas, William
Poythress. Recorded Mar 8, 1773

= = / / = =
# 3 document of 6 bearing name of witness William Poythress:
Abstract of this Deed of Trust from Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 3, p.546,
re-transcribed here by Bpn from TLC Genealogy's 1991 volume of Mecklenburg
Co, VA Deeds 1771-1776 (Deed Books 3 & 4; note TLC uses "M" as an
abbreviation for "Mecklenburg"):
Mar 8, 1773 from James Hargrove of M, to Dinwiddie Crawford & Co,
Merchants in Glasgow, for 30 £, a certain tract of land in M, about 200
acres bounded as will appear by deed made by Henry Langford to the said
Hargrove dated Mar 8, 1773. If Hargrove pays Dinwiddie Crawford & Co all
sums that may appear due on a settlement + lawful interest from Sep 1, 1772,
then this deed to be void. In the case of default, the company may, after
next Dec 25, sell the lands "&c" to discharge the debt. Signed - James (+
his mark) Hargrove. Wit - Lewis Parham, Isham Malone, William Poythress.
Recorded Mar 8, 1773.
=
For reference, here is the abstract of the deed mentioned immediately above,
the land description of which includes William Cleaton Sr [Cleaton] from
Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 3, p.553:
Mar 8, 1773 from Henry Langford of M, to James Hargrove of M, for 10 £,
200 acres in M bounded on the west by the east fork of the Great Cr, on the
north side by William Claeton Sr, [Cleaton] on the east side by John Nipper,
it being part of the land where Langford lives. Signed - Henry (L his mark)
Langford. Wit - Lewis Parham, Isham Malone, William Poythress. Recorded
Mar 8, 1773.

= = / / = =
# 4 document of 6 bearing name of witness William Poythress:
Abstract of this Deed of Trust from Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 3, p.548,
re-transcribed here by Bpn from TLC Genealogy's 1991 volume of Mecklenburg
Co, VA Deeds 1771-1776 (Deed Books 3 & 4; note TLC uses "M" as an
abbreviation for "Mecklenburg"):
Mar 8, 1773 from Henry Langford of M, to Dinwiddie Crawford & Co,
Merchants in Glasgow, for 30 £, a certain tract of land in M, bounded on the
west side by the east fork of the Great Cr, on the south side by Peter
Thomas, on the east side of Harwell's and John Nipper's line, on the north
side by a new line to be run between the said Langford and James Hargrove.
If Langford pays Dinwiddie Crawford & Co all sums that may appear due on a
settlement to be made next Dec 25 + lawful interest from Sep 1, 1772, then
this deed to be void. In the case of default, the company may, after next
Dec 25, sell the lands to discharge the debt. Signed - Henry (L his mark)
Langford. Wit - Lewis Parham, Isham Malone, William Poythress. Recorded
Mar 8, 1773.

= = / / = =
# 5 document of 6 bearing name of witness William Poythress:
Abstract of this Deed from Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 3, p.553,
re-transcribed here by Bpn from TLC Genealogy's 1991 volume of Mecklenburg
Co, VA Deeds 1771-1776 (Deed Books 3 & 4; note TLC uses "M" as an
abbreviation for "Mecklenburg"):
Mar 8, 1773 from Henry Langford of M, to James Hargrove of M, for 10 £,
200 acres in M bounded on the west by the east fork of the Great Cr, on the
north side by William Claeton Sr [Cleaton], on the east side by John Nipper,
it being part of the land where Langford lives. Signed - Henry (L his mark)
Langford. Wit - Lewis Parham, Isham Malone, William Poythress. Recorded
Mar 8, 1773.

= = / / = =
# 6 document of 6 bears the names of witness William Poythress & Lewis
Parham, both of which were marked out, but apparently still legible in the
Deed Book, though this email carried by RootsWeb cannot correctly reflect
the strike-outs. Abstract of this Deed of Trust from Mecklenburg Co, VA
Deed Book 4, p.82, re-transcribed here by Bpn from TLC Genealogy's 1991
volume of Mecklenburg Co, VA Deeds 1771-1776 (Deed Books 3 & 4; note TLC
uses "M" as an abbreviation for "Mecklenburg." Language and spelling are as
in the TLC abstract, and presumably in the original):
May 4, 1773 from Joseph Magoune of M, to Dinwiddie Crawfurd & Co,
Merchants in Glasgow, for 76 £ 19 shilling and 3/4, 1 Negro fellow named
Toby, 1 Negro wench named Hannah, 3 feather beds, 3 bedsteads, 1 gun, 2
spotted rugs, 3 pair sheets, 1 spinning wheel, 1 cow and calf, 1
yearling, 8 hogs, 11 pigs, 2 chests, 6 pails, and 4 dishes. If Magoune
pays Dinwiddie Crawfurd & Co the above sum + interest by next Apr 1, then
this bill of sale to be void. In the case of default, Dinwiddie Crawfurd &
Co may sell the effects. Signed - John Magoune. Wit - [the first 2 names,
Parham & Poythress, are marked out, but were apparently still legible]
Lewis Parham, William Poythress, John Lucas. Recorded Jun 14 1773.		02/27/2009 10:47:25
Re: [POYTHRESS] Flowing from Mecklenburg Co, VA to Bertie Co, NCBarbara,

You are so generous to share with all of us your analysis and research.

Many thanks, Barbara (BPW)



In a message dated 3/1/2009 4:22:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
barbpoy.neal@gmail.com writes:

I had not previously realized how much of the upper part of North Carolina
was at one time "Bertie County." Before I post any Poythress abstracts
found there, I want to share the below chart & explanation about how huge
Bertie was.

>From the foreword of Mary Best Bell's 1963 volume (published by Southern
Historical Press) "Colonial Bertie County, North Carolina Deed Books A-H,
1720-1757" and from looking at some NC county-formation info on line, I've
put Bertie's "county-children" & "county-grandchildren" into this format to
help me see it:

First, Bell clarified that this area had been settled since at least 1657
when Nathaniel Batts' home appeared (on the neck of land between the Roanoke
River and Salmon Creek) on a map prepared that year by London map maker
Nicholas Comberford. (I'd be willing to bet that Nathaniel Batt moved there
from VA and was likely in the ancestral family of R. Bolling Batte.)

By 1722 (which is before Brunswick Co, VA was formed) the area was so
densely populated that an act was passed to establish the Bertie Precinct
out of "that part of Albemarle County lying on the west side of Chowan
River... bounded to the Northward by the line dividing this Government from
Virginia, and the Southward by Albemarle Sound and Morratuck (Roanoke) River
as far up as Welch's Creek, and then including both sides of said River, and
the Branches thereof, as far as the limits of this Government..."

The Meherrin River flows right into that area, coming down from Mecklenburg,
Brunswick, and Greenville counties of today's Virginia.

Many northern and central counties now in NC were, in 1722-25, a part of
Bertie Precinct:
- Tyrell Co formed in part from Bertie in 1729
- Edgecombe Co formed from Bertie in 1741
- Northampton Co formed from Bertie in 1741
--- from above-mentioned Edgecombe, in part or in whole, 4 counties were
formed:
--- Granville (1746),
--- Halifax (1758),
--- Nash (1777), and
--- Wilson (1855)
- Hertford Co was formed in part from Bertie in 1759
- Martin Co was formed from above-mentioned Halifax and Tyrell in 1774
- Washington Co was formed from above-mentioned Tyrell in 1799
---- From above-mentioned Granville, in part of in whole, 3 counties were
formed:
--- Orange (1752),
--- Bute (1764), and
--- Vance (1881)
--- From above-mentioned Bute Co, 2 counties were formed:
--- Franklin (1779) and
--- Warren (1779)

You can re-arrange those to put them in whatever form helps you see them,
but no matter how you slice it, that's a LOT of NC counties along the
northern part of NC that came out of Bertie County.

Bpn

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[POYTHRESS] Flowing from Mecklenburg Co, VA to Bertie Co, NCBarbara NealI had not previously realized how much of the upper part of North Carolina
was at one time "Bertie County." Before I post any Poythress abstracts
found there, I want to share the below chart & explanation about how huge
Bertie was.

>From the foreword of Mary Best Bell's 1963 volume (published by Southern
Historical Press) "Colonial Bertie County, North Carolina Deed Books A-H,
1720-1757" and from looking at some NC county-formation info on line, I've
put Bertie's "county-children" & "county-grandchildren" into this format to
help me see it:

First, Bell clarified that this area had been settled since at least 1657
when Nathaniel Batts' home appeared (on the neck of land between the Roanoke
River and Salmon Creek) on a map prepared that year by London map maker
Nicholas Comberford. (I'd be willing to bet that Nathaniel Batt moved there
from VA and was likely in the ancestral family of R. Bolling Batte.)

By 1722 (which is before Brunswick Co, VA was formed) the area was so
densely populated that an act was passed to establish the Bertie Precinct
out of "that part of Albemarle County lying on the west side of Chowan
River... bounded to the Northward by the line dividing this Government from
Virginia, and the Southward by Albemarle Sound and Morratuck (Roanoke) River
as far up as Welch's Creek, and then including both sides of said River, and
the Branches thereof, as far as the limits of this Government..."

The Meherrin River flows right into that area, coming down from Mecklenburg,
Brunswick, and Greenville counties of today's Virginia.

Many northern and central counties now in NC were, in 1722-25, a part of
Bertie Precinct:
- Tyrell Co formed in part from Bertie in 1729
- Edgecombe Co formed from Bertie in 1741
- Northampton Co formed from Bertie in 1741
--- from above-mentioned Edgecombe, in part or in whole, 4 counties were
formed:
--- Granville (1746),
--- Halifax (1758),
--- Nash (1777), and
--- Wilson (1855)
- Hertford Co was formed in part from Bertie in 1759
- Martin Co was formed from above-mentioned Halifax and Tyrell in 1774
- Washington Co was formed from above-mentioned Tyrell in 1799
---- From above-mentioned Granville, in part of in whole, 3 counties were
formed:
--- Orange (1752),
--- Bute (1764), and
--- Vance (1881)
--- From above-mentioned Bute Co, 2 counties were formed:
--- Franklin (1779) and
--- Warren (1779)

You can re-arrange those to put them in whatever form helps you see them,
but no matter how you slice it, that's a LOT of NC counties along the
northern part of NC that came out of Bertie County.

Bpn		03/01/2009 10:17:24
[POYTHRESS] VA to NC Poythress folk & enhanced Batte chart by Diana DiamondBarbara NealThe more I search through records in areas of North Carolina so close to our
Poythress area of southside Virginia, the more strongly I'm beginning to
feel that a good-sized segment of the family moved from VA into NC.

R.Bolling Batte's original Chart A (of Poythress Family in *Virginia*) just
pointed off toward the right, indicating that Section B would be handled
separately, for descendants of the original immigrant Francis through his
son Francis. Some of you may recall that Diana Diamond did a wonderful job
of plowing through Batte's card file of info at the Library of Virginia
(images of which cards are not only available online at LVA, but also
through our Poythress research website). She then compiled in chart form
(on our website) PDF files showing Batte's original Chart A, but also her
summation of what his Chart B would have looked like, from info in his card
file. She also compiled an "enhanced" version of Poythress in Virginia,
combining charts A & B. To see all those, at our website (poythress.net)
look down the left side to "Studies, Time Lines & Trial Charts."

I now suspect that the reason so little additional info was available in
Batte's card file re the Chart B portion of the Poythress family, is that a
lot of them migrated across the stateline, and were no longer leaving
Virginia records. Please keep that strong possibility/probability in mind
as I post some NC records in upcoming days.

Cheers,
Bpn



03/02/2009 3:43:37
[POYTHRESS] NC estate Charles Poythress & executors Peter Woodliff & Wm Cryer 1761-62Barbara NealThanks to a listing in a book compiled in 1999 by Barnetta McGhee White,
PhD, "Index of Loose Estate Papers, Granville County, North Carolina, 1746
thru 1919, C.R.044.508.1 thru .200, Stored in the NC State Archives,
Raleigh, NC" I obtained copies of the Granville County, North Carolina
Estate Record of one Charles Poythress.

Contained are only 3 documents. The longest document (which is a bond for a
Benjamin Murfey's appearance in a court case brought by Poythress'
executors, in an effort to collect on an earlier debt owed by Murfey to
Poythress), is only one page, but it has very challenging handwriting.

Thanks to this bond, we know that Charles Poythress had two executors for
his estate: Peter Woodliff and William Cryer. And we know they were trying
to collect in Granville Co, NC a debt owed to Charles Poythress. What we
cannot tell is when or where Charles died. Since the 2nd document below
refers to "Interest from 17th May 1755" we can safely assume Charles
Poythress was still alive as of that date.

I've transcribed the bond in full, as best I can below. The shorter two
documents are discussed below the bond.

Bpn note: For those unfamiliar with it, the "Y County" at the beginning of
this bond was a shorthand way of saying "The County" by using the old
"thorn" (Y) of an ancient writing style. My own comments are in square
brackets. While the scribe left blank the name of the county, we know this
record is maintained at the NC Archives in the records of Granville County.
= =
No. Carolina
Y County ___
Know all men by these Presents that we Ben'a [Benjamin] Murfey[,] Dan'l
Ford & John Reese all of the Province & County afres'd [aforesaid] are held
& firmly bound unto Thomas Parson Sheriff of the s'd County in the Sum of
Twenty pounds prom [promised?] money
For payment will & Surely to be made unto the s'd Persons his Heirs Exr's
& Adm'or or assigns We bind our selves Our Heirs Exr's & assigns Jointly &
Severally firmly by these Presents Seald with our seals & dated the 1st day
of Nov'r 1761
The Condition of this obligation is Such that if the above Bounded Ben'a
Murfey do & Shall make his personal appearance before the Justices of our
Inferior Court of Pleas & Quarter Sessions To be held at the Courthouse of
the s'd County on the Second Tuesday in November next then & there to ans'r
Peter Woodliff & Wil'm Cryer Ex'rs of Charles [marked out is what appears
to be a partly illegible attempt to spell Charles' surname "pou--" followed
by something else illegible, perhaps "ex'd & monerf"?] Poythress Dec'd
[Deceased] of a plea of Debt Damage ten pounds prom [promised?] money &
there to stand to & abide by the Judgment of the s'd Court & not to Depart
thence Without Leave of the Same that then this obligation to be Void or
else to Remain in full force Power or Virtue.
Ben'a (his B mark) Murfey (Seal)
Daniel Ford (Seal)
John Reese (Seal)
Test
Daniel Pegram
= =

[The 2nd half-page document:]
North Carolina
George the Third - King of Great Britain
To the Sherif of Granville County Greeting We Comand you that of the
Goods & Chattels of Benj'a Murphy if to be found in your Bailiwic you
cause to be made the Sum of Four pounds & seven shillings & sixpence Virg'a
money w'th Interest from 17th May 1755 Till paid also Fifty shillings
Procl.__
Which Cha's Poythross's Ex'ers lately in Our s'd County Court has recovered
ag's [against] him for Debt & damages w'ch [which] they sustained as well by
reason of [marked out are words appearing to possibly be "not performing a
certain promise &c Assumtion &c the"] s'd Declaining the said Debt ___
["made" appears to be marked out] as for their costs in that Suit Expended
whereof he is Convict as appears to Cts of Record & that you have the s'd
Sums at Our next Court to be held for the s'd County to render to the s'd
Executors of the damage & Costs afs'd [aforesaid] and have you there then
this Writ.
Witness Daniel Weldon Clerk of Our s'd Court the 11th day of May
AD 1762 & in the Second year of Our Reign Danl Woldon Cl
=
[Back-side of 2nd document shows some calculations coming up with total
costs of the debt itself; I'm not transcribing it.]
= =

[The 3rd half-page document is very similar to the 2nd one immediately
above, also written by the Clerk on 11 May 1762, regarding satisfying the
Legal Fees in the Suit brought by Charles Poythress' executors against
Benjamin Murphy. It also has calculations on the back-side. I'm not
transcribing it.]		03/02/2009 5:09:54
Re: [POYTHRESS] Flowing from Mecklenburg Co, VA to Bertie Co, NCBarbara NealThanks, Sandy.
Bpn



03/04/2009 3:20:08
Re: [POYTHRESS] Flowing from Mecklenburg Co, VA to Bertie Co, NCSandyBarbara, one other thing to keep in mind, Mecklenburg Co, VA, was formed in
1765 from Lunenburg which was formed in 1746 from Brunswick which was
formed in 1720.
Which is simply to say that those who migrated from Mecklenburg, per se, did
so from 1765 forwards, at which point most of the counties previously
mentioned as formed from Bertie had been formed. At the time of
Mecklenburg's formation, the bordering NC counties to the south would have
been Granville and Bute, then in 1779 Granville and Warren (Bute having been
abolished), and by 1881, Granville, Vance and Warren.

FYI, UNC has the North Carolina Colonial and State Records online and
they're searchable. I could only find 2 that seemed to be Poythresses,
listed as "Portress" --
Jno Portress, a private in 1777 in the 3rd Regt, Eaton's Company, of the
Colonial Army, who died 1 May 1778.

And then there is this, of interest, from the Minutes of the North Carolina
Senate:
Wednesday, 28 November, 1787, pg 339:
"Received likewise a Bill for staying execution for debt in the County of
Davidson; and a Bill for altering the name of Jesse Hay to that of Jesse
Spaight, the names of Robert Portress & Benjamin Clevers Portress to Robert
Ransome & Benjamin Clevers Ransome, and of William Bonner to that of William
Hunt; also the name of William Barret to that of William Ashley. Endorsed,
read the first time & passed.

Ordered that these Bills be read, which being read were passed the first
time in this House & returned."

So it would seem we have two Portresses who became Ransomes.

-Sandy		03/04/2009 4:34:29
Re: [POYTHRESS] Flowing from Mecklenburg Co, VA to Bertie Co, NCSandyBarbara,
Here are some sites that help to illustrate the NC county formations you've
listed:

On this one, if you click on the highlighted counties, a small map appears:
http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/genealogy/countyform.html

This one takes you through the years:
http://www.familyhistory101.com/maps/nc_cf.html

This one has the county histories:
http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/NC/CNTYOUT/CTYCOVER.HTM

-Sandy

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> I had not previously realized how much of the upper part of North Carolina
> was at one time "Bertie County." Before I post any Poythress abstracts
> found there, I want to share the below chart & explanation about how huge
> Bertie was.
>
> >From the foreword of Mary Best Bell's 1963 volume (published by Southern
> Historical Press) "Colonial Bertie County, North Carolina Deed Books A-H,
> 1720-1757" and from looking at some NC county-formation info on line, I've
> put Bertie's "county-children" & "county-grandchildren" into this format to
> help me see it:
>
> First, Bell clarified that this area had been settled since at least 1657
> when Nathaniel Batts' home appeared (on the neck of land between the
> Roanoke
> River and Salmon Creek) on a map prepared that year by London map maker
> Nicholas Comberford. (I'd be willing to bet that Nathaniel Batt moved
> there
> from VA and was likely in the ancestral family of R. Bolling Batte.)
>
> By 1722 (which is before Brunswick Co, VA was formed) the area was so
> densely populated that an act was passed to establish the Bertie Precinct
> out of "that part of Albemarle County lying on the west side of Chowan
> River... bounded to the Northward by the line dividing this Government from
> Virginia, and the Southward by Albemarle Sound and Morratuck (Roanoke)
> River
> as far up as Welch's Creek, and then including both sides of said River,
> and
> the Branches thereof, as far as the limits of this Government..."
>
> The Meherrin River flows right into that area, coming down from
> Mecklenburg,
> Brunswick, and Greenville counties of today's Virginia.
>
> Many northern and central counties now in NC were, in 1722-25, a part of
> Bertie Precinct:
> - Tyrell Co formed in part from Bertie in 1729
> - Edgecombe Co formed from Bertie in 1741
> - Northampton Co formed from Bertie in 1741
> --- from above-mentioned Edgecombe, in part or in whole, 4 counties were
> formed:
> --- Granville (1746),
> --- Halifax (1758),
> --- Nash (1777), and
> --- Wilson (1855)
> - Hertford Co was formed in part from Bertie in 1759
> - Martin Co was formed from above-mentioned Halifax and Tyrell in 1774
> - Washington Co was formed from above-mentioned Tyrell in 1799
> ---- From above-mentioned Granville, in part of in whole, 3 counties were
> formed:
> --- Orange (1752),
> --- Bute (1764), and
> --- Vance (1881)
> --- From above-mentioned Bute Co, 2 counties were formed:
> --- Franklin (1779) and
> --- Warren (1779)
>
> You can re-arrange those to put them in whatever form helps you see them,
> but no matter how you slice it, that's a LOT of NC counties along the
> northern part of NC that came out of Bertie County.
>
> Bpn
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[POYTHRESS] 1800 NC - Francis Poythress Methodist Presiding ElderSandyThe following excerpt is from a much longer article (which I'll send offlist
to Barbara Neal) which ran in the Sunday, December 31, 1899, issue of the
News & Observer (Raleigh), entitled:"What the Churches Have Done: Review of
the Work of the Various Denominations of the State"

This particular excerpt is found under the section:
The Methodist Church, A Glance at its Past, Present and Future
The Past:
"In 1800, North Carolina, formerly a Circuit, became a District, embracing
fifteen circuits. They were Morganton, Swannanoa, Salisbury, Haw River,
Guilford, Franklin, Caswell, Tar River, Newbern, Goshen, Wilmington,
Contentnea, Pamlico, Roanoke, Mattamuskeet and Banks. Francis POYTHRESS, one
of the truest souls in early Methodism, was Presiding Elder. Suffice it to
say that he was not able to give each preaching place the much coveted
Sunday appointment."
(the article goes on, but that was the only reference to Poythress)		03/05/2009 1:34:56
[POYTHRESS] typo correction/ Re: death of Charles D. Poythress, Atlanta (formerly of Henderson...SandyTypo correction which I just noticed....the article reports the telegram was
sent to Mr. Jas. S. Poythress (not to "Mrs.")

-Sandy


> In a message dated 3/5/2009 5:49:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> teylu2@gmail.com writes:
>
> A bit later in time, but perhaps of interest to someone....
>
> Note: I cannot account for the month's discrepancy between the issue date
> and the dateline on the article. This is definitely the 31 July 1892
> issue.
> Possibly the month in the dateline of the article is just erroneous and
> should have read "July," however, it does state "June 30."
>
> The News and Observer (Raleigh, NC); Sunday 31 July 1892
>
> Henderson Budget
> Special Cor. News and Observer
>
> HENDERSON, NC., June 30.
> A telegram to Mrs. Jas. S. Poy-
> thress this morning brought the
> sad intelligence of the death of his
> father, Mr. Chas. D. Poythress, in
> Atlanta, Ga., last night. Mr. Poy-
> thress lived here several years as
> manager of the Singer Sewing Ma-
> chine Company, and made many
> friends whose heartiest sympathy
> go out to his bereaved family.
> As I write the Republican County
> Convention is convening to nomi-
> nate a county ticket, and the streets
> are blocked with the "colored
> brothers." Will wire result if there
> is any.
> The Vance Farmer, Third party
> organ here, by its wild statements
> is helping the old parties. If the
> Third party survives its course, it
> will be tenacious of life.
> A. Hatchett.
>
>		03/05/2009 2:23:29
Re: [POYTHRESS] death of Charles D. Poythress, Atlanta (formerly of Henderson...Sandy,

Thank you for posting this article which I have not seen before. Charles
David Poythress was my great-grandfather and he died July 29, 1892 in Atlanta of
pneumonia. So the June 30 date is in error and should read July 30.

Best, Barbara (BPW)


In a message dated 3/5/2009 5:49:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
teylu2@gmail.com writes:

A bit later in time, but perhaps of interest to someone....

Note: I cannot account for the month's discrepancy between the issue date
and the dateline on the article. This is definitely the 31 July 1892 issue.
Possibly the month in the dateline of the article is just erroneous and
should have read "July," however, it does state "June 30."

The News and Observer (Raleigh, NC); Sunday 31 July 1892

Henderson Budget
Special Cor. News and Observer

HENDERSON, NC., June 30.
A telegram to Mrs. Jas. S. Poy-
thress this morning brought the
sad intelligence of the death of his
father, Mr. Chas. D. Poythress, in
Atlanta, Ga., last night. Mr. Poy-
thress lived here several years as
manager of the Singer Sewing Ma-
chine Company, and made many
friends whose heartiest sympathy
go out to his bereaved family.
As I write the Republican County
Convention is convening to nomi-
nate a county ticket, and the streets
are blocked with the "colored
brothers." Will wire result if there
is any.
The Vance Farmer, Third party
organ here, by its wild statements
is helping the old parties. If the
Third party survives its course, it
will be tenacious of life.
A. Hatchett.

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[POYTHRESS] North Carolina Colonial & State Records; also timelineSandyBarbara and all,
I meant to send the URL for the North Carolina Colonial and State Records
online:
http://docsouth.unc.edu/csr/

Also, something more which might prove helpful is the NC Museum of History's
timeline, which provides some good detail of the early settling of eastern
NC. You'll note some "familiar" names in there, among them Edward BLAND,
Francis YEARDLY and Nathaniel BATTS.
http://ncmuseumofhistory.org/nchh/seventeenth.html

For quite some time, I've been attempting a similar strategy to yours of
trying to document movements from Virginia into NC of the Woodlief lines,
and while I haven't had great success with this, I do think I'm making at
least some headway. I also think one possible source of confusion may come
from those who maintained property simultaneously in VA and NC... hence
didn't necessarily fully "migrate." I'm of the opinion that the Charles
Poythress whose Granville Co estate record you cited may be among those. I
do know that Maj. Peter Woodlief (apparent son of the Peter Woodlief who
served as Charles Poythress' executor), seems to have held considerable
property in Northampton Co, NC, is enumerated in the 1810 Northampton Co
census, and indeed even served in the NC legislature. Yet, when he died in
1816, his obit noted that he died "At his seat in Prince George County on
Friday, Aug. 30..."

I suspect this seat was the old "Deep Bottom" property which his father,
Peter, had obtained from John Woodlief... which apparently John Woodlief had
gotten from "Poythress" -- though which Poythress I do not know... that deed
being described within the lawsuit Quesnel v. Woodlief:
"Poythress to John Woodlief, by deed of the 12th of November, 1754; which
describes it, as "one hundred acres of land, more or less, commonly called
and known by the name of Deep Bottom, situate, lying and being in the said
parish of Martins Brandon and county of Prince George, and is bounded as
followeth, on the north side by Deep Bottom run; on the south side by
Richard Bland's land; on the east side by John Woodlief's land; and on the
west side by Thomas Poythress's land." Which necessarily shews it was not
part of the Sion Hill tract, then owned by the said John Woodlief."

Not sure if any of this helps with your similar pursuit of Poythresses who
cross the NC border, but thought I'd pass it along "just in case."

-Sandy		03/05/2009 4:08:51
[POYTHRESS] VA-NCBarbara NealThanks for these great URLs, Sandy, for NC's Colonial & State Records
project & for the timeline. Both great additions. Good to know your
Woodliefs also seemed to maintain a presence on both sides of that VA-NC
stateline. Many people have for centuries been proud to maintain a
connection to Virginia, and certainly continuing to own property in VA
would've been one strong way to maintain that connection. Hopefully as more
work on deeds gets accomplished, more light will be shed on that Deep Bottom
area.

I heard, too, from someone else (who logically didn't necessarily want to
send this directly to our List) of one reason why some in their own family
had in the 1700s & 1800s gone across the state-line regularly -- for
moonshine activity taking place a bit further away from where everyone knew
the whole family,

Bpn		03/05/2009 7:59:23
Re: [POYTHRESS] VA-NCCrystal RoseAnd hopefully we can finally connect the Northampton Co NC Poythress i.e.
Hardiman, John and Odam to the rest of the group.

Crystal

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Thanks for these great URLs, Sandy, for NC's Colonial & State Records
> project & for the timeline. Both great additions. Good to know your
> Woodliefs also seemed to maintain a presence on both sides of that VA-NC
> stateline. Many people have for centuries been proud to maintain a
> connection to Virginia, and certainly continuing to own property in VA
> would've been one strong way to maintain that connection. Hopefully as
> more
> work on deeds gets accomplished, more light will be shed on that Deep
> Bottom
> area.
>
> I heard, too, from someone else (who logically didn't necessarily want to
> send this directly to our List) of one reason why some in their own family
> had in the 1700s & 1800s gone across the state-line regularly -- for
> moonshine activity taking place a bit further away from where everyone knew
> the whole family,
>
> Bpn
>
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>		03/05/2009 10:12:37
[POYTHRESS] Portis / Portress - George, Ira, Jeremiah & John; & 2 changed to RansomBarbara NealYears ago, we had further info re those two, Robert Portress & Benjamin
Clevers Portress, who Sandy mentioned had their names legally changed from
Portress to Ransome 28 November, 1787 by an act of the NC legislature

See messages in our List's message archives dated 27 and 28 April 1998 that
I had forgotten about until reminded by that Ransome name change. Those
messages give wonderful detail from a court suit brought in May 1800 by Ira
Portis by his guardian plaintiff against Sarah Portis, Jeremiah Portis, John
Portis "and others defendants." One of the messages was from our List
subscriber Caroline Burnett Cook who mentioned that Capt Richard Ransom (who
married Keziah Portis) was "of VA & TN," and that he [Capt Ransom] fought in
the Revolution.

The suit was about the will having been suppressed that had been made by
John Portis, the plaintiff's late father who departed this life "about the
month of June 1794" possessed of considerable wealth.

The will gave extensive land holdings to John's sons Jeremiah Portis (200
acres where Jeremiah then lived), & George Portis (half of the 220 acres
where George then lived, John Portis (who got the other 110 acre half), and
gave livestock to daughter Leah Portis & son Ira Portis, and gave Ira
three-fourths of all the remaining estate, and lent the remaining one-fourth
to his wife Sarah, and after her decease it was to be divided equally among
his 4 daughters May Goodwin, Elizabeth Cox, Keziah Ransome, and Leah Portis.

The citation for the suit came from "Halifax District, NC Superior Court of
Law & Equity 1785-1790 Bills & Answers; 1797-1805 Minutes." A
transcription of that entire volume was typed & published in 1982 by
Weynette Parks Haun from the microfilm of the volume at the NC Archives.

I also have tucked away with printouts of those messages, a letter from
Ransom McBride, former editor of the NC Genealogical Society's Quarterly
Journal, charter member of NCGS & publisher of NC records. He mentioned to
me that he was a descendant of (the above-mentioned) "Keziah Portis who
married Richard Ransom in Nash/Franklin Co, NC and moved to Tennessee in
about 1800." Knowing of that marriage, I had wondered whether Robert &
Benjamin Clevers Portress (who had legally changed their names in 1787 to
Robert & Benjamin Clevers Ransome) may have been younger Portress/Portis
relatives being informally adopted by Keziah & Richard Ransome years before
that couple moved to Tennessee.

McBride's letter said he had not carried back his "Portis line with any
confidence" because he had been busy with the McBride and Ransom lines, but
he knew there were Portis families in both Surry and Isle of Wight counties,
VA -- two counties from which two of his other family lines had come. And he
said "One really has to search carefully for possible spellings" with the
names of Portis, Portress, Poytress, Poythress, etc (Amen to that!).

That above suit info, listing all those names, rang a bell for me with the
following info I happened to see yesterday, that I had copied years ago from
a 1921 book, by "Lawyer, Fouder & Director of the Alabama State Dept of
Archives & History, and author of numerous historical and bibliographical
publications" Thomas McAdory Owen (Owen lived from 1866 to 1920): History
of Alabama and Dictionary of Alabama Biography.

In that book are biographies of well-educated & noted people of Alabama.
One is a son of the above-mentioned Ira Portis, which I'll re-transcribe in
full here, breaking it into paragraphs for better readability. I have no
way of knowing how correct the Portis line info was, and whether their
coming from Wales to Isle of Wight was information accurately passed down
through their family or just one of those passed-down family stories. In
square brackets are my notations.

John Wesley Portis, lawyer, colonel C.S. Army, was born in 1818, in Nash
County, NC, deceased; son of Ira Portis, who went from North Carolina to
Clarke County [Alabama] in 1818, and settled near Suggsville...
[Bpn notes: Suggsville is a settlement in Clarke County named for
William Suggs who opened a general store there in 1814, where a P.O. was
established in 1824. Suggsville is about halfway between the Tombigbee River
and the Alabma River. Clarke County was created (before the state of
Alabama) by the Mississippi Territorial Legislature in 1812, just east of
Washington County and a bit north of Mobile. The Alabama Territory was
created in 1817 and the state of Alabama was created in 1819. Clarke Co, AL
is now bordered on the north by Marengo Co, which is immediately east of
Sumter County, where James Edward Poythress & James Speed Poythress moved
when they came in 1853 from Mecklenburg Co, Virginia. I've long wondered
whether Benjamin P. Portis, who was in the 1850 Sumter Co, AL Census, born
about 1822 in Alabama, might have been a distant relative of those
Poythresses who came to Sumter Co in 1853.]
... [John Wesley Portis was] grandson of John Portis, of Fishing Creek,
Ransom's Bridge, Roanoke River, NC; great-grandson of George Portis, who
came from Wales and settled on the [sic] Isle of Wight, Va., in 1760, and
was buried in the old Petersburg cemetery.
Mr. Portis [John Wesley Portis] was educated at the University of
Virginia, and studied law in the office of Cooper & Parsons, at Claiborne
[in Monroe Co, AL, a county just east of Clarke Co, AL]. He was admitted to
the bar; engaged in the practice of law and in planting at Suggsville; was
elected to the State legislature from Clarke County [AL] as a mixed basis
Democrat in 1843, and was re-elected in 1844. He was a trustee of the
University of Alabama from 1844 to 1860.
On the beginning of the War of Secession in 1861, he volunteered as a
private in the C.S. Army, and was later elected a lieutenant in the
Forty-second Alabama regiment. A year later, he was elected colonel of the
Forty-second Alabama; led it at Corinth [Mississippi], where he was wounded;
resigned soon afterwards and returned home.
After the war, he resumed the practice of law at Suggsville; served for
some time as postmaster at that place; and engaged in merchandising to some
extent. He was a Democrat, a delegate to the national conventions at
Cincinnati, Charleston, and Baltimore, and a Methodist.
Married: to Rebecca Griffin, daughter of Richard Rivers.
Children:
1. Richard Rivers [Portis], b. October 24, 1845, d. May 4, 1885,
private in the C.S. Army 1864-1865,
lawyer and merchant at Suggsville,
m[arried] (1) Maimie Deas, (2) Mary Barnes.

2. Ira David [Portis], b. October 24, 1845 [thus twin of above RRP, likely
known by his middle name since younger brother below shares same first
name],
private in C.S. Army, 1864-1865,
lawyer at Suggsville,
m[arried] Onie Mae Poole

3. Ira Rivers [Portis], b. May 24, 1847,
private in C.S. Army,
was graduated M.D. from Tulane University,
physician and planter in Smith County, Texas [county of Tyler, TX] until
1899,
private U.S. Army, Philippine War, 1898

4. Emma
5. Ella
6. Mary
7. Lucy

[John Wesley Portis] last residence: Suggsville [Clarke Co, AL]		03/05/2009 10:17:39
[POYTHRESS] NC indications of Rev War serviceBarbara NealSandy mentioned finding in the Colonial and State Records of NC Jno
Portress, a private in 1777 in the 3rd Regt, Eaton's Company, of the
Colonial Army, who died 1 May 1778.

I have a more info on him & more potential names to offer from Weynette
Parks Haun's published multi-volume series of NC Revolutionary Army
accounts:

Haun indeed listed the above info on Jno. Portress, and likely identical to
him, she listed:
- John Portis in NC Rev Army Accounts Secretary of State's Papers,Vol. IX,
in a listing indicating "paid by Dunkin Lemon, Sheriff Nash Co."
- John Portress in NC Rev Army Accounts Treasurer's & Comptroller's Papers,
Vol. X, in (1) a listing as "soldier of the Cont'l Line pd for services
prior to 1 Jan 1782 in addition to & exclusive of Settlemts made at Halifax
1783-1785 & at Warrenton in 1786" and in (2) a listing of "Settlements of
Army Accts at Hillsborough in 1792"
= = =

Haun also listed the following references to a man whose name I've also seen
as Hardyman or Hardiman Poythress:

- Hardimon Portoise, private, as spelled in NC Rev Army Accounts Secretary
of State, Treasurer's & Comptroller's Papers, Vol. III, Book C

- H. Portree in NC Rev Army Accounts Secretary of State, Treasurer's &
Comptroller's Papers, Vol. V, Book 25, p.6, and as H. Portoise in same, p.7

- Hardiman Poutoise in NC Rev Army Accounts Secretary of State, Treasurer's
& Comptroller's Papers,Vol. VII and Warrenton Settlements 1786, among "Due
Bills pd by M. Hunt & J. Haywood"

- Hardy Porthis, private, in NC Rev Army Accounts Treasurer's &
Comptroller's Papers, NC Continental Line, 1776-1783 where it shows the
company he was in as "Lt. Cols" and his "date of commission & enlistment" as
"July '78" for 9 months
= = =

And Haun also listed these potential people due pay for Rev War:

- A. Poythrus in NC Rev Army Accounts Secretary of State, Treasurer's &
Comptroller's Papers,Vol. VII and Warrenton Settlements 1786, in "A List of
Certificates to be paid to the Comptroller for the Taxes of 1787 including
those due for years 1784-1786 Book 26" which certificates were presented
from Nm Bush, Shff, Jones county [Depending on the cursive writing of who
ever wrote out the list for the certificates, it seems possible to me that
an "H" might have been mistaken along the way as the "A" shown for his first
initial?]

- Henry Pythrus in NC Rev Army Accounts Secretary of State, Treasurer's &
Comptroller's Papers,Vol. VII and Warrenton Settlements 1786, in "Register
of Settlements of Army Accounts at Warrenton in 1786" where Henry is shown
that his pay was admitted by the state from 1 Jan 1777 to 1 Jan 1780 with a
difference of 36 days not on muster.

- Mary Poythis in NC Rev Army Accounts Secretary of State's Papers,Vol. IX,
in a listing for "1785 Hillsborough Treasury Office, paid by Sheriff of
Warren Co."

- Thomas Poythes in NC Rev Army Accounts Secretary of State's Papers,Vol.
IX, in a listing for"Ex'd M.H. on list of Hezekiah Hough Arrear for 1783
N[ort]hampton Co"

- Odham [Odam or Odom] Porless in NC Rev Army Accounts Treasurer's &
Comptroller's Papers, Vol. X, in a listing for "pd by Green Hill for Halifax
District 1783, Book 18"

And 2 we recognize from earlier records found in the more traditional
spelling, both in NC Rev Army Accounts Treasurer's & Comptroller's Papers,
Vol. X, in a listing for "U.S. to N.C. for pmts to Cont'l Line in 1792, In
alphabetical list of Continental Vouchers"
- Francis Poythress, Corpl L.D. 1st R. [Corporal, Light Dragoons 1st
Regiment, which regiment we know from him being listed there in the National
Archives' Continental Line records]
- Wm Poythress - Capt. Lt. Arty [Captain Light Artillery]		03/05/2009 10:58:05
Re: [POYTHRESS] Portis / Portress - George, Ira, Jeremiah & John; & 2 changed to RansomSandyBarbara,
Is it thought that "Portis" is a variant of "Poythress," or is it thought
these are different names/lines?

Regardless, I know I've run into some very interesting dilemmas with
Woodlief/Woodl(e)y/ and even Woody. While I know each of these are
legitimate surnames in their own right, I've found Woodliefs listed in
various records as "Woodl(e)y" and even "Woody." Sometimes it is years and
YEARS before the discovery comes to light. Most glaring case in point is
that of the line of John Woodl(e)y of Surry Co, NC, who is enumerated as a
"Woodley" or "Woodly" 1830 al the way through 1870, and whose widow and 2
daughters are shown as "Woodly" in 1880 and even 1900.

It wasn't until the 1920 enumeration of his daughter, Martha
Woodlief/Woodliff and her subsequent 1925 death certificate that I was able
to confirm this family as Woodliefs, at which point records of other
children and grandchildren helped to seal the deal!

I still haven't been able to figure out the connection of this John Woodlief
to the other NC Woodliefs, though there does seem to be circumstantial
evidence of some connection to the Woodliefs of Franklin/Granville counties.

-Sandy

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Years ago, we had further info re those two, Robert Portress & Benjamin
> Clevers Portress, who Sandy mentioned had their names legally changed from
> Portress to Ransome 28 November, 1787 by an act of the NC legislature
>
> See messages in our List's message archives dated 27 and 28 April 1998 that
> I had forgotten about until reminded by that Ransome name change. Those
> messages give wonderful detail from a court suit brought in May 1800 by
> Ira
> Portis by his guardian plaintiff against Sarah Portis, Jeremiah Portis,
> John
> Portis "and others defendants." One of the messages was from our List
> subscriber Caroline Burnett Cook who mentioned that Capt Richard Ransom
> (who
> married Keziah Portis) was "of VA & TN," and that he [Capt Ransom] fought
> in
> the Revolution.
>
> The suit was about the will having been suppressed that had been made by
> John Portis, the plaintiff's late father who departed this life "about the
> month of June 1794" possessed of considerable wealth.
>
> The will gave extensive land holdings to John's sons Jeremiah Portis (200
> acres where Jeremiah then lived), & George Portis (half of the 220 acres
> where George then lived, John Portis (who got the other 110 acre half), and
> gave livestock to daughter Leah Portis & son Ira Portis, and gave Ira
> three-fourths of all the remaining estate, and lent the remaining
> one-fourth
> to his wife Sarah, and after her decease it was to be divided equally among
> his 4 daughters May Goodwin, Elizabeth Cox, Keziah Ransome, and Leah
> Portis.
>
> The citation for the suit came from "Halifax District, NC Superior Court of
> Law & Equity 1785-1790 Bills & Answers; 1797-1805 Minutes." A
> transcription of that entire volume was typed & published in 1982 by
> Weynette Parks Haun from the microfilm of the volume at the NC Archives.
>
> I also have tucked away with printouts of those messages, a letter from
> Ransom McBride, former editor of the NC Genealogical Society's Quarterly
> Journal, charter member of NCGS & publisher of NC records. He mentioned to
> me that he was a descendant of (the above-mentioned) "Keziah Portis who
> married Richard Ransom in Nash/Franklin Co, NC and moved to Tennessee in
> about 1800." Knowing of that marriage, I had wondered whether Robert &
> Benjamin Clevers Portress (who had legally changed their names in 1787 to
> Robert & Benjamin Clevers Ransome) may have been younger Portress/Portis
> relatives being informally adopted by Keziah & Richard Ransome years before
> that couple moved to Tennessee.
>
> McBride's letter said he had not carried back his "Portis line with any
> confidence" because he had been busy with the McBride and Ransom lines, but
> he knew there were Portis families in both Surry and Isle of Wight
> counties,
> VA -- two counties from which two of his other family lines had come. And
> he
> said "One really has to search carefully for possible spellings" with the
> names of Portis, Portress, Poytress, Poythress, etc (Amen to that!).
>
> That above suit info, listing all those names, rang a bell for me with the
> following info I happened to see yesterday, that I had copied years ago
> from
> a 1921 book, by "Lawyer, Fouder & Director of the Alabama State Dept of
> Archives & History, and author of numerous historical and bibliographical
> publications" Thomas McAdory Owen (Owen lived from 1866 to 1920): History
> of Alabama and Dictionary of Alabama Biography.
>
> In that book are biographies of well-educated & noted people of Alabama.
> One is a son of the above-mentioned Ira Portis, which I'll re-transcribe in
> full here, breaking it into paragraphs for better readability. I have no
> way of knowing how correct the Portis line info was, and whether their
> coming from Wales to Isle of Wight was information accurately passed down
> through their family or just one of those passed-down family stories. In
> square brackets are my notations.
>
> John Wesley Portis, lawyer, colonel C.S. Army, was born in 1818, in Nash
> County, NC, deceased; son of Ira Portis, who went from North Carolina to
> Clarke County [Alabama] in 1818, and settled near Suggsville...
> [Bpn notes: Suggsville is a settlement in Clarke County named for
> William Suggs who opened a general store there in 1814, where a P.O. was
> established in 1824. Suggsville is about halfway between the Tombigbee
> River
> and the Alabma River. Clarke County was created (before the state of
> Alabama) by the Mississippi Territorial Legislature in 1812, just east of
> Washington County and a bit north of Mobile. The Alabama Territory was
> created in 1817 and the state of Alabama was created in 1819. Clarke Co,
> AL
> is now bordered on the north by Marengo Co, which is immediately east of
> Sumter County, where James Edward Poythress & James Speed Poythress moved
> when they came in 1853 from Mecklenburg Co, Virginia. I've long wondered
> whether Benjamin P. Portis, who was in the 1850 Sumter Co, AL Census, born
> about 1822 in Alabama, might have been a distant relative of those
> Poythresses who came to Sumter Co in 1853.]
> ... [John Wesley Portis was] grandson of John Portis, of Fishing Creek,
> Ransom's Bridge, Roanoke River, NC; great-grandson of George Portis, who
> came from Wales and settled on the [sic] Isle of Wight, Va., in 1760, and
> was buried in the old Petersburg cemetery.
> Mr. Portis [John Wesley Portis] was educated at the University of
> Virginia, and studied law in the office of Cooper & Parsons, at Claiborne
> [in Monroe Co, AL, a county just east of Clarke Co, AL]. He was admitted
> to
> the bar; engaged in the practice of law and in planting at Suggsville;
> was
> elected to the State legislature from Clarke County [AL] as a mixed basis
> Democrat in 1843, and was re-elected in 1844. He was a trustee of the
> University of Alabama from 1844 to 1860.
> On the beginning of the War of Secession in 1861, he volunteered as a
> private in the C.S. Army, and was later elected a lieutenant in the
> Forty-second Alabama regiment. A year later, he was elected colonel of the
> Forty-second Alabama; led it at Corinth [Mississippi], where he was
> wounded;
> resigned soon afterwards and returned home.
> After the war, he resumed the practice of law at Suggsville; served for
> some time as postmaster at that place; and engaged in merchandising to some
> extent. He was a Democrat, a delegate to the national conventions at
> Cincinnati, Charleston, and Baltimore, and a Methodist.
> Married: to Rebecca Griffin, daughter of Richard Rivers.
> Children:
> 1. Richard Rivers [Portis], b. October 24, 1845, d. May 4, 1885,
> private in the C.S. Army 1864-1865,
> lawyer and merchant at Suggsville,
> m[arried] (1) Maimie Deas, (2) Mary Barnes.
>
> 2. Ira David [Portis], b. October 24, 1845 [thus twin of above RRP, likely
> known by his middle name since younger brother below shares same first
> name],
> private in C.S. Army, 1864-1865,
> lawyer at Suggsville,
> m[arried] Onie Mae Poole
>
> 3. Ira Rivers [Portis], b. May 24, 1847,
> private in C.S. Army,
> was graduated M.D. from Tulane University,
> physician and planter in Smith County, Texas [county of Tyler, TX] until
> 1899,
> private U.S. Army, Philippine War, 1898
>
> 4. Emma
> 5. Ella
> 6. Mary
> 7. Lucy
>
> [John Wesley Portis] last residence: Suggsville [Clarke Co, AL]
>
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>		03/05/2009 12:24:31
[POYTHRESS] death of Charles D. Poythress, Atlanta (formerly of Henderson, NC); June(?) 1892SandyA bit later in time, but perhaps of interest to someone....

Note: I cannot account for the month's discrepancy between the issue date
and the dateline on the article. This is definitely the 31 July 1892 issue.
Possibly the month in the dateline of the article is just erroneous and
should have read "July," however, it does state "June 30."

The News and Observer (Raleigh, NC); Sunday 31 July 1892

Henderson Budget
Special Cor. News and Observer

HENDERSON, NC., June 30.
A telegram to Mrs. Jas. S. Poy-
thress this morning brought the
sad intelligence of the death of his
father, Mr. Chas. D. Poythress, in
Atlanta, Ga., last night. Mr. Poy-
thress lived here several years as
manager of the Singer Sewing Ma-
chine Company, and made many
friends whose heartiest sympathy
go out to his bereaved family.
As I write the Republican County
Convention is convening to nomi-
nate a county ticket, and the streets
are blocked with the "colored
brothers." Will wire result if there
is any.
The Vance Farmer, Third party
organ here, by its wild statements
is helping the old parties. If the
Third party survives its course, it
will be tenacious of life.
A. Hatchett.		03/05/2009 12:49:29
[POYTHRESS] Thank you Barbara and Sandynancy netterDear Barbara and Sandy,
 
I wish to thank you both for your research into the North Carolina records. I believe I am a descendant of Hardiman or Hardimon Poythress.
Your efforts, time and energy are appreciated by me.
 
I was wondering how you were obtaining this records? Are you using on line sources or good old microfilm and microfiche? Are you looking at the MARS system through the NC State Archives?
 
I would like to obtain copies of what you are finding and do that on my own so I can become familiar with what records can be obtained and teach myself how to navigate through those records.
 
Thank you so very much!
 
Nancy Netter
 






03/06/2009 3:19:11
Re: [POYTHRESS] John Poythress Northampton Co, NC petition re his pay as soldierCrystal RoseBarbara,
I have a copy of the original and it is as posted. I'm not sure now and I'll
have to dig it out as I haven't really been working on the Poythress for
some time now but there was some question as to how Odam and Sele fit into
the John/Hardiman issue.

I made a mistake on the marriage date for Hardiman/Elizabeth Golder in
Prince Geo, that is 13 Oct 1789.

As for the Northampton Co Hardiman, Jesse Mitchell was granted administrator
of his estate in Mar 1797.

One of the names that was referred to in prior postings regarding this
document is Littleberry, because of a document found naming Littleberry,
Delia and Pricilla Poythress of Northampton County as the only heirs to
their uncle John Poythress and authorizing Daniel Cherry of Wilson Co
Tennessee to draw from the land draw under the service of John Poythress.
Dated 12 Apr 1815, Northampton County NC.

Crystal
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Next time I'm at the library, I'm going to try to find the proper citation
> for the below-pasted petition that Crystal mentioned earlier re the estate
> of John Poythress / Portress. (A citation given back in the 1990s in the
> caption of a list message for the below petition, proved to not be for this
> document.)
>
> The below-pasted copy comes from our Poythress research website. From
> reading the petition (brought by John's widow Mary, against Hardimon /
> Hardyman Poythress / Porthress, who was brother of the deceased) we see
> that
> the deceased John died "some time in the year 1778 or 1779" and that his
> estate was entitled to his pay as a Soldier
>
> >From that, it sounds like this is the same John listed in the
> Revolutionary
> War sightings mentioned earlier this week: Jno Portress, a private in 1777
> in the 3rd Regt, Eaton's Company, of the Colonial Army, who died 1 May
> 1778.
>
> >From the below petition, we know the said John left no child. However we
> see that he *did* leave not only his widow, Mary, but he also he had what
> was transcribed or abstracted as being "seven" siblings, including not only
> Hardimon who was to administor his estate, but also including sisters:
>
> Nanny Portress,
> Temperance Poythress,
> Anritta Hathcock, wife of Edmund Hathcock
> Winifred Hathcock, wife of Newman Hathcock
>
> I see no indication of names for the other 2 siblings of John in the posted
> form of the petition, pasted below. Hopefully by finding microfilm of the
> original petition, more may be learned.
> Bpn
> = =
> Estate of John Poythress, Northampton County, North Carolina (c. 1779)
>
> Mentions: Mary Poythress, Nanny Portress, Temperance Poythress, Hardimon
> Porthress
>
> C the Worshipful the Justices of Northampton County Court
>
> The Petition of Mary Poythress, Nanny Portress, Temperance Poythress,
> Edmund
> Hathcock & Anritta his wife & Newman Hathcock & Winifred his wife humbly
> sheweth that John Poythress the husband of your petitioner Mary & Brother
> of
> your Petitioners Temperance Anritta, Nanny & Winifred being entitle to pay
> as a Soldier from the public to the amont value of one hudred pounds &
> upward departed this live some time in the year 1778 or 1779 Intestate His
> Brother Hardimon Porthress of the said County obtained Letters of
> Administration of his Estate in your Worships Court about June Court Last
> past whereby he became intitled to and has actually received from the
> public
> the pay and arrages (?) of pay due to the intestate as aforesaid, and
> notwithstanding Your Petitioners have frequently in a friendly manner
> requested the said administrator to pay and deliver to them their
> respective
> parts. & shares of the said Estate so received by him as aforesaid to wit
> one half to your petioner Mary the widow & one seventh part of the residue
> thereof to each of your other Petitioners the said intestate having left no
> chid & seven Brothers & Sisters, Yet the said administrator has always
> evaded or refused to comply with such reasonable requests. Wherefore as
> your
> Petitioners are without redress except before you Worships agreeably to the
> Act of the General Assemly in such case made proided. May it lease your
> Worship to grant to your petitiners your Writ of Subpeoena summoning the
> said Hardimon Poythress before your Worships to answer upon his Corporal
> Oath the promises (?) as fully as if the same were herien again
> particularly
> interrogated (?) & refuted (?) And that your Petitioners may have such
> releif in the prim(?) the Equity and Justice of their Case may intitle them
> to & they will pray so
>
> B. Baker Att
>
> for pett
>
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>		03/06/2009 3:26:05
[POYTHRESS] Portis / Portress & other possible variants including DNABarbara NealSandy asked whether it's thought that "Portis" is a variant of "Poythress,"
or is it thought these are different names/lines.

Don't know. At this point trying to determine which of the various odd "P"
surname spellings found in NC (or other) records may have been people
descended from a Virginia "Poythress" is very difficult.

We do know that "spelling" was not as cut & dried in the 1600s to 1800s in
this country as it is now, and we know that many people could not read or
write, and that their names were put down by the Clerk -- or Census-taker or
newspaper writer or minister or whoever -- simply according to how the name
sounded to the writer, pronunciation of which could have varied widely by
speaker.

So I'm suspicious of many names that begin with a "P" followed by a
hodge-podge of letters resulting in names not much found since then.

What *may* someday clarify whether any Portis or Portress or whatever other
spelling, will be close examination of records to see what all spellings
were used for a person having the same land, for example.

Or if we should have someone come forward whose Portis or Portress or
whatever family records also include the spelling Poythress back along the
way.

It could also help if we should have any male surnamed Portis or Portress or
whatever sign up for DNA analysis, so we could compare their DNA to the
Poythress DNA samples we have on file.

Currently comparing DNA, by searching at Ysearch.org for potential surname
variants, I find these names listed, which are not included within our
POYTHRESS DNA study:

Portas
Porteous
Porteus
Portice
Portis
Portius
Portoues
Portous
Portteus
Portus

All of those are listed as variant spellings of one, or both, of 2 Porteous
surnamed men. One of them self-lists his heritage as coming from
Dunnington, Yorkshire, England; the other self-lists his heritage as coming
from Dumfrieshire, Scotland.

Those 2 Porteous surnamed men's DNA results are not closely similar even to
each other. I then compared out Poythress DNA results to the 2
Porteous-surnamed Ysearch users, but the results are NOT similar.

And Porteous is listed at Ysearch as a variant spelling of 2 men surnamed
Porter.

So basically at this point I'm just trying to keep an open mind in looking
at old records & trying to learn more about the "potential" fellows of yore.
Bpn		03/06/2009 5:22:43
[POYTHRESS] VA-NC; & Batte chart Section B early PoythressesBarbara NealFor clarification, the *potential* descendants of Francis Poythress (the
original Francis who was in VA by 1633) who I'm trying to discern, *may*
have moved quite early-on into NC records.

A number of them could likely descend from original-Francis' son, Francis,
who lived from roughly 1630-1688 & who married Rebecca Coggin -- This couple
was *not* on Batte's original chart of "Virginia" Poythress people. Their
children were added in Diana Diamond's "Section B" mock-up from Batte's card
file info, and they were included at the bottom right of Diana's "enhanced"
combined version of the chart.

I wasn't clear when I said the other day (talking about Bertie Co, NC) that
"The Meherrin River flows right into that area, coming down from
Mecklenburg, Brunswick, and Greenville counties of today's Virginia" that I
was trying to give a geographical frame of reference using today's county
names. I recognize that movements of large numbers of Virginia people down
the Meherrin River would certainly be later than the 1600s and very early
1700s -- it took a while for huge numbers of people to get as far "west" in
Virginia as the Meherrin River.

People moving first temporarily back & forth across the NC-VA state line for
various purposes in the late 1600s & eventually having property & "official
records" in NC early in the 1700s, could well have begun from earlier VA
counties, including Isle of Wight (from which Southampton formed & later
Greenville formed from it), Surry, and Prince George (from which Brunswick
formed & just 3 yrs later Amelia formed from PG & Brunswick).

Some of these moves could well have been into all the areas along the upper
border of NC, by whatever name the counties had whenever, including Bertie
before it was divided into many other counties.

I want to try to remain aware that potential moves of people into NC
(whether from the above-mentioned Francis son of original Francis) or from
Peter Poythress, Indian trader & expedition leader, or from others, could
have begun as early as the late 1650s (noting that circa 1655 was when the
NC historical timeline Sandy showed us, had Nathaniel Batts settling "along
the Chowan River in a building that serves as both his home and a trading
post. He trades with local Native Americans and becomes the area's first
permanent white settler")		03/06/2009 5:34:31
Re: [POYTHRESS] Thank you Barbara and SandySandyNancy,
The newspaper articles I posted came from a university library subscription
database "19th Century U.S. Newspapers," which is one of several "Gale"
database services. They also have a few other newspaper databases. These
aren't exhaustive, containing only certain papers and only for specific
time-frames, but they are searchable and are a help. Larger libraries often
subscribe to these, universities in particular. Usually you need to be
faculty or student for using the university libraries databases, or have a
card if you're using that of a large city library.

There are, of course, a lot more newspapers which have been microfilmed, and
many can be bought - or borrowed through interlibrary loan. Unfortunately,
they're not indexed. I have had really great luck borrowing NC newspaper
films through interlibrary loan from the State Library of NC. If you know
the geographic area and timeframe, this can be a great resource.

Here's an URL with more information about the films of NC newspapers:
http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/reference/newspapers.html

-Sandy


On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:19 PM, nancy netter wrote:

> Dear Barbara and Sandy,
>
> I wish to thank you both for your research into the North Carolina records.
> I believe I am a descendant of Hardiman or Hardimon Poythress.
> Your efforts, time and energy are appreciated by me.
>
> I was wondering how you were obtaining this records? Are you using on line
> sources or good old microfilm and microfiche? Are you looking at the MARS
> system through the NC State Archives?
>
> I would like to obtain copies of what you are finding and do that on my own
> so I can become familiar with what records can be obtained and teach myself
> how to navigate through those records.
>
> Thank you so very much!
>
> Nancy Netter
>
>
>
>
>
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>		03/06/2009 5:47:24
Re: [POYTHRESS] death of Charles D. Poythress, Atlanta (formerly ofHenderson, NC); June(?) 1892Sandy,
It must have been an error with the paper since I show Charles David Poythress died on July 29, 1892.
Thanks,
Judy
-------------- Original message from Sandy : --------------


> A bit later in time, but perhaps of interest to someone....
>
> Note: I cannot account for the month's discrepancy between the issue date
> and the dateline on the article. This is definitely the 31 July 1892 issue.
> Possibly the month in the dateline of the article is just erroneous and
> should have read "July," however, it does state "June 30."
>
> The News and Observer (Raleigh, NC); Sunday 31 July 1892
>
> Henderson Budget
> Special Cor. News and Observer
>
> HENDERSON, NC., June 30.
> A telegram to Mrs. Jas. S. Poy-
> thress this morning brought the
> sad intelligence of the death of his
> father, Mr. Chas. D. Poythress, in
> Atlanta, Ga., last night. Mr. Poy-
> thress lived here several years as
> manager of the Singer Sewing Ma-
> chine Company, and made many
> friends whose heartiest sympathy
> go out to his bereaved family.
> As I write the Republican County
> Convention is convening to nomi-
> nate a county ticket, and the streets
> are blocked with the "colored
> brothers." Will wire result if there
> is any.
> The Vance Farmer, Third party
> organ here, by its wild statements
> is helping the old parties. If the
> Third party survives its course, it
> will be tenacious of life.
> A. Hatchett.
>
> -------------------------------
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> the subject and the body of the message		03/06/2009 6:18:55
[POYTHRESS] after 40 years courting - Mary Poytress marries John GrossSandyI ran across this article and thought it just had to be shared....Note: the
spelling of the surname is differs between the headline (Portress) and the
body (Poythress) of the story. It isn't clear to me from the story whether
Mary was previously of Virginia and the marriage took place in Georgia... or
whether she moved or what.


Lynchburg Weekly Virginian (Lynchburg, VA)
Tuesday, 04 March 1884

Forty Yeras' Courting
After Many Engagements and Lovers' Quar-
rels, John Gross and Mary Poytress Gets
Married

SYLVANIA, Ga., Feb. 24. -- A courtship
extending over a period of forty years
has just resulted in marriage here. In
1843, Miss Mary Poythress was the belle
of this county. There was one John
Gross among her admirers, to whom she
was more than partial, and counting on
him she rejected other eligible offers.
The lover, however, was moody, and not
allowing for a girl's love of adulation,
became jealous of miss Mary's popular-
ity with the beaus of the neighborhood.
The girl was of a proud family and
scorned to make explanations where she
was sure no cause for jealousy existed.
Gross wandered off and for ten years
was not heard of, when one day he re-
turned bronzed and bearded and ex-
pected to find his former sweetheart
married. True to her heart she was still
single. They became once more engag-
ed and once more estranged, since which
time they have been as strangers, though
often meeting socially. Vicissitudes of
the times and circumstances kept them
apart and seemed to have chilled out
whatever of love had existed. Lately
the lady, still unmarried, was about to
celebrate her sixtieth birthday. Mr.
Gross began thinking over the years gone
by and made up his mind that the long-
deferred nuptials should come off at last
if Mary was willing. He found she was
and they have just sealed the vows made
forty years ago.
---------------		03/06/2009 6:28:11
[POYTHRESS] 1866 Savannah - late Maj John C Poythress summer residence for saleSandy(Note: This seems to be the summer home of the wealthy planter, John C.
Poythress, enumerated in Waynesboro, Burke Co, GA, in 1860 as age 62.)

The Daily News and Herald (Savannah, GA)Wednesday, 20 June 1866

classified ads

FOR SALE

A VALUABLE SUMMER RESIDENCE,
situated within a mile of McBean Station,
Savannah and Augusta Railroad, formerly
the property of the late Major John C. Poythress.
There are six rooms to the house, and a large
piazza, with flower garden, in front. On the premises
is a commodious Stable and Carriage House, Kitchen
and Servants' Houses, a large Garden and a valuable
Orchard.
With the house will be sold a tract of well wooded
Land, on which it is situated, consisting of about one
hundred acres.
Terms cash. For further particulars, address
JOHN D. MUNNERLYN,
Waynesboro', Ga.		03/06/2009 6:35:45
Re: [POYTHRESS] Thank you Barbara and SandyBarbara NealNancy, it's great to hear from you & to get your feedback. I'd love to
learn whether your part of that Hardiman Poythress line stayed in NC, or
moved elsewhere?!

For messages I posted last month, I was using microfilms, and I tried to put
the film numbers available through the Family History Centers or the Family
History Library. Those messages pertained to Mecklenburg Co, VA
Poythresses, but at some point I'll likely be posting similar ones from NC
microfilms.

More recently what I've been using for the NC info that I've posted is from
books. Of course the info in books was all transcribed or abstracted by the
authors of the books. I'll keep trying to put in my messages the specific
source so you & others can find it.

Can you enlighten me, please: did your part of that Hardiman Poythress line
stay in NC, or move elsewhere?

Thanks,
Bpn



03/06/2009 7:46:42
Re: [POYTHRESS] after 40 years courting - Mary Poytress marries John GrossBarbara NealWow, neat find, Sandy. As to your comments pondering why it was carried in
a Lynchburg, VA newspaper, I suspect that someone at the paper may have just
noticed the Poythress surname, and picked up the article for their paper
knowing of other Poythresses in VA & that they would find it interesting.
And/or maybe they *did* know of some local connection for Mary.

Neat - thanks,
Bpn



03/06/2009 7:52:45
[POYTHRESS] Dr. John Poythress, died 1813 Beaufort, NCSandyThe Star (Raleigh, NC); 03 Dec 1813

Obituary (lists several people, among them.....)
In the town of Beaufort, on the 16th Nov. Dr. John Poythress.

My note: Beaufort is the county seat of Carteret Co (est. 1722 from Craven
(which was formed in 1705 as Archdale Precincet of Bath County, although
according to David Leroy Corbitt's,"Formation of the North Carolina Counties
1663-1943," there is evidence that an Archdale County existed as early as
1696.)

I don't know anything of this John Poythress, but something to keep in mind
is that during this period, I think Beaufort was still only accessible by
boat. It was declared a port of entry in 1722.

-Sandy		03/06/2009 8:10:36
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1866 Savannah - late Maj John C Poythress summer residence for saleBarbara NealThanks, Sandy. More re John C. Poythress & the man placing the notice:

John D Munnerlyn [Sr], who placed the notice, was husband of Annie R.
Mandell. Annie was daughter of George Addison Mandell (& his wife Mary E
Turner). George was son of Mary Elizabeth Poythress by her first husband,
Addison M Mandell (Her 2nd husb was Wm Cheeseborough, M.D.).

Mary Elizabeth Poythress was half-sister of John Carter Poythress, whose
valuable summer residence was advertised for sale; he had died 12 Sep
1862.

John Carter Poythress and Mary Elizabeth Poythress were children of Major
George Poythress -- John from Major George's first marriage to Hetty Carter
(daughter of Alexander Carter); Mary Elizabeth from Major George's 2nd
wife, a Lawson - whose first name isn't known to me, but she was daughter of
John Lawson Sr & Mary Carter (with Mary being sister of above Alexander
Carter).

Bpn		03/06/2009 8:58:10
Re: [POYTHRESS] Thank you Barbara and SandyCrystal RoseI could be wrong but I think he left. Isn't there a Hardyman listed in GA or
is it AL? After the suit filed in Northampton against Hardyman from his
sister-in-law Mary, he disappears. I know there is a court order for an
estate to be brought into court in Prince George Co VA in 1811 or 1813 for a
Hardyman. Now whether we have more than one or not is still up for debate.

Crystal

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Nancy, it's great to hear from you & to get your feedback. I'd love to
> learn whether your part of that Hardiman Poythress line stayed in NC, or
> moved elsewhere?!
>
> For messages I posted last month, I was using microfilms, and I tried to
> put
> the film numbers available through the Family History Centers or the Family
> History Library. Those messages pertained to Mecklenburg Co, VA
> Poythresses, but at some point I'll likely be posting similar ones from NC
> microfilms.
>
> More recently what I've been using for the NC info that I've posted is from
> books. Of course the info in books was all transcribed or abstracted by the
> authors of the books. I'll keep trying to put in my messages the specific
> source so you & others can find it.
>
> Can you enlighten me, please: did your part of that Hardiman Poythress
> line
> stay in NC, or move elsewhere?
>
> Thanks,
> Bpn
>
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>		03/06/2009 10:00:34
Re: [POYTHRESS] Thank you Barbara and Sandynancy netterBarbara,
 
As far as I know, Benjamin (who was Hardiman's son) went back to Virginia. This is also base on a posting on Feb 8 2006 by Micheal Tutor in the Poythress Archives. I am descended by Benjamin's son George. I will generate a report and send you what I have so far.
 
I have tried to contact Drew Weeks via email, but no response. I think there was some else from this line, but I can not remember at this time.
 
Nancy Netter

--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Barbara Neal wrote:

From: Barbara Neal
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Thank you Barbara and Sandy
To: njnetter@yahoo.com, poythress@rootsweb.com
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 4:46 PM


Nancy, it's great to hear from you & to get your feedback.  I'd love to learn whether your part of that Hardiman Poythress line stayed in NC, or moved elsewhere?!

For messages I posted last month, I was using microfilms, and I tried to put the film numbers available through the Family History Centers or the Family History Library.  Those messages pertained to Mecklenburg Co, VA Poythresses, but at some point I'll likely be posting similar ones from NC microfilms.

More recently what I've been using for the NC info that I've posted is from books. Of course the info in books was all transcribed or abstracted by the authors of the books. I'll keep trying to put in my messages the specific source so you & others can find it. 

Can you enlighten me, please:  did your part of that Hardiman Poythress line stay in NC, or move elsewhere?

Thanks,
Bpn		03/06/2009 11:36:02
Re: [POYTHRESS] Dr. John Poythress, died 1813 Beaufort, NCBarbara Neal>From our Poythress research website (poythress.net) one can see a
transcription of his will: at the top bar put your cursor on "Primary
Records" at the top of the page, and then when it lights up, click on "Wills
& Estates"

There scroll down the list of items, and click on "John Poythress of
Carteret County, Town of Beaufort, NC 10 Mar 1818" He mentions wife Polly,
but no children. Witnesses were Wm Bell & Jno Hyson, as transcribed there.

Yes, this fellow is one of the ones who has gotten my interest, as to who he
was & wanting to figure out who was his father.

I'm thrilled to learn, Sandy that he was listed as "Dr. John Poythress"
Seems likely to me at that time "Dr" would have only been used for a medical
doctor. Great addition to our tiny bit of info about him. Thanks for
finding the item.		03/06/2009 12:25:57
[POYTHRESS] John Poythress Northampton Co, NC petition re his pay as soldierBarbara NealNext time I'm at the library, I'm going to try to find the proper citation
for the below-pasted petition that Crystal mentioned earlier re the estate
of John Poythress / Portress. (A citation given back in the 1990s in the
caption of a list message for the below petition, proved to not be for this
document.)

The below-pasted copy comes from our Poythress research website. From
reading the petition (brought by John's widow Mary, against Hardimon /
Hardyman Poythress / Porthress, who was brother of the deceased) we see that
the deceased John died "some time in the year 1778 or 1779" and that his
estate was entitled to his pay as a Soldier

>From that, it sounds like this is the same John listed in the Revolutionary
War sightings mentioned earlier this week: Jno Portress, a private in 1777
in the 3rd Regt, Eaton's Company, of the Colonial Army, who died 1 May 1778.

>From the below petition, we know the said John left no child. However we
see that he *did* leave not only his widow, Mary, but he also he had what
was transcribed or abstracted as being "seven" siblings, including not only
Hardimon who was to administor his estate, but also including sisters:

Nanny Portress,
Temperance Poythress,
Anritta Hathcock, wife of Edmund Hathcock
Winifred Hathcock, wife of Newman Hathcock

I see no indication of names for the other 2 siblings of John in the posted
form of the petition, pasted below. Hopefully by finding microfilm of the
original petition, more may be learned.
Bpn
= =
Estate of John Poythress, Northampton County, North Carolina (c. 1779)

Mentions: Mary Poythress, Nanny Portress, Temperance Poythress, Hardimon
Porthress

C the Worshipful the Justices of Northampton County Court

The Petition of Mary Poythress, Nanny Portress, Temperance Poythress, Edmund
Hathcock & Anritta his wife & Newman Hathcock & Winifred his wife humbly
sheweth that John Poythress the husband of your petitioner Mary & Brother of
your Petitioners Temperance Anritta, Nanny & Winifred being entitle to pay
as a Soldier from the public to the amont value of one hudred pounds &
upward departed this live some time in the year 1778 or 1779 Intestate His
Brother Hardimon Porthress of the said County obtained Letters of
Administration of his Estate in your Worships Court about June Court Last
past whereby he became intitled to and has actually received from the public
the pay and arrages (?) of pay due to the intestate as aforesaid, and
notwithstanding Your Petitioners have frequently in a friendly manner
requested the said administrator to pay and deliver to them their respective
parts. & shares of the said Estate so received by him as aforesaid to wit
one half to your petioner Mary the widow & one seventh part of the residue
thereof to each of your other Petitioners the said intestate having left no
chid & seven Brothers & Sisters, Yet the said administrator has always
evaded or refused to comply with such reasonable requests. Wherefore as your
Petitioners are without redress except before you Worships agreeably to the
Act of the General Assemly in such case made proided. May it lease your
Worship to grant to your petitiners your Writ of Subpeoena summoning the
said Hardimon Poythress before your Worships to answer upon his Corporal
Oath the promises (?) as fully as if the same were herien again particularly
interrogated (?) & refuted (?) And that your Petitioners may have such
releif in the prim(?) the Equity and Justice of their Case may intitle them
to & they will pray so

B. Baker Att

for pett		03/06/2009 12:33:35
[POYTHRESS] NC estate records' availabilityBarbara NealSandy, thanks for the good info about the FHL film & Gammon's book, and for
the NC Archives' links for online requests & for info about the library.

FYI, in an email exchange earlier this week with an archivist at the NC
Archives, I was told (re a different microfilm I had inquired about seeing &
I had asked, since I live outside NC, whether it would be available on
inter-library loan): that I could snail-mail them a $12 check & an order
for a specific film; they will duplicate & mail me a copy of the microfilm
(the $12 includes duplication cost & shipping); but that "Unfortunately, the
NC State Archives does not participate in any inter-library loans."

So it's particularly good to know about the Family History Library film &
Gammon's book, in this instance.
Bpn

On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Sandy wrote:

> This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the petition for soldier
> pay, and may be something everyone already knows, but Northampton County's
> estate records (1766-1911) have been filmed, and it also appears that David
> Gammon has published abstracts of Northampton's estate records.
> The LDS film # which should include Portress/Poythress, etc. appears to be
> #2363527. (NC Archives has these arranged alphabetically, and this is the
> film containing folders Pope, John C. – Prichard, Thomas H.H.)
>
> David Gammon's book, "Records of estates, Northampton County, North
> Carolina," has been put on microFICHE by the LDS (which is great, since the
> fiche is super cheap). However, the dates listed in the LDS description of
> Gammon's work may be a bit "late" for this estate:
> Contents: v. 1. Guardian accounts (1781-1802); Inventories & accounts of
> sales of estates (1781-1793); Inventories, accounts of sales & accounts
> current (1797-1801) -- v. 2. Estates found in court records, 1792-1816.
>
> In any case, prior to ordering the film, it is possible to find out whether
> there's an estate file for John Poythress.... and finding out is free for
> NC
> residents since they can simply fill out the online email form to NC
> Archives and inquire whether there's an estate file for John Poythress of
> Northampton Co who died ca. XXXX(enter year.) Archives responds via snail
> mail, and if there is an estate record, they'll include a slip stating the
> #
> of pages and total photocopy cost (currently charged at 10-cents per page)
> which may wind up being less expensive than the $6 LDS fee to rent the
> film.
>
> Also, the NC State Library lends microfilms of the county estates records
> via inter-library loan (which is usually free) - but I *think* they only
> lend the estate files to libraries *within* North Carolina. Call or email
> them to be certain about this, though. I know they *do* lend other films to
> out-of-state libraries, but for some reason I seem to recall the estates
> files films were (at least at one time) restricted to in-state. I have no
> idea why.
>
> Details about NC Archives email requests and a link to the online form for
> this are found here:
> http://www.archives.ncdcr.gov/mail.htm
>
> Details on anything concerning the State Library are on the library's site:
> http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/
>
> FYI, seems like I checked on a Northampton Co estate record for Peter
> Woodlief, and there wasn't one, though for the life of me, I can't imagine
> why there wasn't, given the number of slaves shown in the 1810 census. I
> would've thought there would be an estate record there.
>
> -Sandy
>		03/07/2009 1:35:54
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress & Jones in founding Blandford & Petersburg townBarbara NealRandy, I am quite curious to hear why you think William Poythress (shown as
"25" & "BE" on the Enhanced Batte Chart by Diana Diamond, on which chart he
was shown as a son of John Poythress "2" & "B" and Christian Peebles, and
shown there to have lived 1694-1763 and to have married Sarah Epes), was
instead a grandson that just-mentioned John Poythress & Christian Peebles
thru their son John ("26" & "BF") and Mary Batte?

Thanks,
Bpn		03/07/2009 1:49:43
Re: [POYTHRESS] NC estate records' availabilitySandyHi Barbara,
While NC Archives does not participate in inter-library loan, the NC State
Library *does*. They are two separate entities. Yes, you can purchase copies
of films through the NC Archives. But if you'd just as soon borrow a film
through interlibrary loan, check with the State Library of NC first. I've
ordered a great many NC newspaper films through the State Library of NC via
interlibrary loan - and I don't think there was any charge involved. With
some libraries there is a small charge, but if I recall correctly, the films
via the State Library didn't incur any. The official requests for
interlibrary loan items have to come directly from your library, but if you
have an "advance questions" before ordering through your library, they are
really wonderful in helping you.

Here's the State Library site:
http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/

Oh, and another thing... the State Library has a *wonderful* reference
service, and they don't charge out-of-state residents. Now, it's not so
"specific" as the genealogical requests you'd make of NC Archives, but for
example, if you have some more general research questions, or you need
copies of some pages from a specific book, the State Library will help you,
make photocopies of pages, etc. Just last week they helped me with info
about the state's 1890s "Geological Museum." And it was the State Library
which sent me photocopies from a book which listed Peter Woodlief's service
to the NC State House of Representatives.

-Sandy


On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Sandy, thanks for the good info about the FHL film & Gammon's book, and for
> the NC Archives' links for online requests & for info about the library.
>
> FYI, in an email exchange earlier this week with an archivist at the NC
> Archives, I was told (re a different microfilm I had inquired about seeing
> &
> I had asked, since I live outside NC, whether it would be available on
> inter-library loan): that I could snail-mail them a $12 check & an order
> for a specific film; they will duplicate & mail me a copy of the microfilm
> (the $12 includes duplication cost & shipping); but that "Unfortunately,
> the
> NC State Archives does not participate in any inter-library loans."
>
> So it's particularly good to know about the Family History Library film &
> Gammon's book, in this instance.
> Bpn
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Sandy wrote:
>
> > This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the petition for
> soldier
> > pay, and may be something everyone already knows, but Northampton
> County's
> > estate records (1766-1911) have been filmed, and it also appears that
> David
> > Gammon has published abstracts of Northampton's estate records.
> > The LDS film # which should include Portress/Poythress, etc. appears to
> be
> > #2363527. (NC Archives has these arranged alphabetically, and this is the
> > film containing folders Pope, John C. – Prichard, Thomas H.H.)
> >
> > David Gammon's book, "Records of estates, Northampton County, North
> > Carolina," has been put on microFICHE by the LDS (which is great, since
> the
> > fiche is super cheap). However, the dates listed in the LDS description
> of
> > Gammon's work may be a bit "late" for this estate:
> > Contents: v. 1. Guardian accounts (1781-1802); Inventories & accounts of
> > sales of estates (1781-1793); Inventories, accounts of sales & accounts
> > current (1797-1801) -- v. 2. Estates found in court records, 1792-1816.
> >
> > In any case, prior to ordering the film, it is possible to find out
> whether
> > there's an estate file for John Poythress.... and finding out is free for
> > NC
> > residents since they can simply fill out the online email form to NC
> > Archives and inquire whether there's an estate file for John Poythress of
> > Northampton Co who died ca. XXXX(enter year.) Archives responds via snail
> > mail, and if there is an estate record, they'll include a slip stating
> the
> > #
> > of pages and total photocopy cost (currently charged at 10-cents per
> page)
> > which may wind up being less expensive than the $6 LDS fee to rent the
> > film.
> >
> > Also, the NC State Library lends microfilms of the county estates records
> > via inter-library loan (which is usually free) - but I *think* they only
> > lend the estate files to libraries *within* North Carolina. Call or email
> > them to be certain about this, though. I know they *do* lend other films
> to
> > out-of-state libraries, but for some reason I seem to recall the estates
> > files films were (at least at one time) restricted to in-state. I have no
> > idea why.
> >
> > Details about NC Archives email requests and a link to the online form
> for
> > this are found here:
> > http://www.archives.ncdcr.gov/mail.htm
> >
> > Details on anything concerning the State Library are on the library's
> site:
> > http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/
> >
> > FYI, seems like I checked on a Northampton Co estate record for Peter
> > Woodlief, and there wasn't one, though for the life of me, I can't
> imagine
> > why there wasn't, given the number of slaves shown in the 1810 census. I
> > would've thought there would be an estate record there.
> >
> > -Sandy
> >
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Dr. John Poythress, died 1813 Beaufort, NCSandyBarbara,
I just found something else, snippets really, on Dr. John Poythress, via a
search of Google Books.

These are more recent books, so are not available in their entirety.

From: "Frustrated Patriots: North Carolina and the War of 1812"
By Sarah McCulloh Lemmon
Published by University of North Carolina Press, 1973
Original from the University of Michigan
Digitized Mar 1, 2007
ISBN 0807812099, 9780807812099
pg 91:
"Many physicians were interested in attending such large groups of men,
especially if located in their home towns. Dr. John Poythress of Beaufort
asked for a commission, only to have a rival candidate, Dr. James Manney,
...."
(there ends the snippet!!)

And here is yet another....this from:
"A Story of North Carolina's Historic Beaufort," by Mamre' Marsh Wilson
Published by The History Press, 2007
ISBN 1596291680, 9781596291683
pg. 54
"A town cannot actually survive life without having a doctor, dentist or
pharmacist to take care of the folks who live there. The same is true in
Beaufort. Medicine here and throughout the state and country has come a long
way since the early 1800s when the first medical doctor arrived. Dr. John
Poythress was legally appointed the port physician for Beaufort. He
advertised in the Raleigh Star about the opening of a private infirmary. But
having died later in the year, his dream went with him."

(It then goes on to give details of other doctors, including Dr. James L.
Manney, a native of Poughkeepsie, NY, who had come south with his wife in
1809 to Beaufort by way of New Bern.)

FYI, I did not spot John Poythress (or any other Poythress for that matter)
in the 1810 Carteret Co. census, nor could I find a Mary or Polly (or any
other) Poythress in Carteret Co in 1820. I also didn't find a marriage
record for John to Mary/Polly among the NC marriage records.

This doesn't help with identifying Dr. John's parents, but at least it's a
smidgen of something. Possibly that first book might have a bit more than
the teensy bit that's shown, however. Since he apparently was the first
appointed port doctor, it seems possible there may be records somewhere
concerning his appointment which might perhaps at least tell where he was
living when appointed, and perhaps something of his background. It would
also be fun to track down the referenced ad run in the Raleigh Star. I'll
see if I can find it, but I don't think it came up in the search which
produced the notice of his death. However, I'll take a closer look. Possibly
it was in an issue that's not within the digitized collection, however.

-Sandy


On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> >From our Poythress research website (poythress.net) one can see a
> transcription of his will: at the top bar put your cursor on "Primary
> Records" at the top of the page, and then when it lights up, click on
> "Wills
> & Estates"
>
> There scroll down the list of items, and click on "John Poythress of
> Carteret County, Town of Beaufort, NC 10 Mar 1818" He mentions wife Polly,
> but no children. Witnesses were Wm Bell & Jno Hyson, as transcribed there.
>
> Yes, this fellow is one of the ones who has gotten my interest, as to who
> he
> was & wanting to figure out who was his father.
>
> I'm thrilled to learn, Sandy that he was listed as "Dr. John Poythress"
> Seems likely to me at that time "Dr" would have only been used for a
> medical
> doctor. Great addition to our tiny bit of info about him. Thanks for
> finding the item.
>
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>		03/07/2009 5:54:32
[POYTHRESS] another John Poythress, Carteret Co. snippetSandyBarbara,
Here's yet another... and this is a bit curious and makes me wonder why I
couldn't spot John Poythress in the 1810. Maybe a closer look is in order.
Of course, I'm just assuming this John is one and the same as "Dr. John."

Anyway, again, this comes from a search of Google Books:
"One Dozen Pre-Revoluntionary War Families of Eastern North Carolina: And
Some of Their Descendants"
By Primrose Watson Fisher
Published by New Bern Historical Society Foundation, 1958
Original from the University of Virginia
pg 14
"William Fisher sued John Poythress on December 6, 1810, and..."
(snippet ends there!!)
pg 214
"The court minutes of December 6, 1810, show that William Jones and William
Fisher had claims against a Mr. Poythress. William Jones seems to have
followed closely in the paths of his....."
(snippet ends there!!)

Looking at the book's index, there do not appear to be other pages with a
reference to any Poythress.

-Sandy		03/07/2009 6:17:33
Re: [POYTHRESS] John Poythress Northampton Co, NC petition re his pay as soldierBarbara NealCrystal, it would be great if you can tell us from your original (when you
dig it out) what volume & page of records at the county, that petition
regarding John's estate was officially filed in; that way we can provide
the correct citation on the website.

I look forward to learning more.
Bpn



03/07/2009 6:29:06
Re: [POYTHRESS] another John Poythress, Carteret Co. snippetBarbara NealThanks so much, Sandy. These several snippets are great additions.
Bpn



03/07/2009 6:33:48
[POYTHRESS] Poythress & Jones in founding Blandford & Petersburg townsBarbara NealIn Waverly K. Winfree's compilation that supplements Hening's Statutes at
Large, I found the below of interest to us. (Full title of this fat volume
is "The Laws of Virginia Being a Supplement to Hening's The Statutes at
Large, 1700-1750" It was published 1971 by The VA State Library, Richmond,
VA).

The editorial note at the beginning of Winfree's volume explains that "The
accompanying laws were, for the most part, transcribed from photographic
copies of the originals in the British Public Record Office. The originls
were forwarded to England at the time of their enactment, and no full text
survived in this country. This material comprises laws either not found in
Hening's... for the period 1700-1750, or, if there, appear in abbreviated
form or by title only."

The following act (on pp.410-411 f Winfree's) was passed during the General
Assembly of October 27, 1748 to May 11 1749:
First, Winfree shows how it appeared in Hening's with Winfree's square
brackets: "An Act for es[tablishing] the Towns of Petersburg and
[Blandford] in the County of Prince Geor[ge and for] preventing the building
[of Wooden] Chimnies in the said Town[s.]
As Winfree transcribed the further info -- and I'll be leaving off the
last lengthy paragraph re not erecting wooden chimneys in either town, as
that paragraph has no personal names. Spelling etc as shown in Winfree's:
Forasmuch as it hath been represented to this assembly that Abraham Jones
late of the County of Prince George hath laid out a parcel of his Lands at
the Falls of Appamattox River in the said County of Prince George in Lotts
and Streets for a Town by the Name of Petersburg, And that William Poythress
hath also laid out a Parcel of his Lands below the Falls in the said County
of Prince George in Lotts and Streets for a Town by the Name of Blandford,
and made Sale of the said Lotts to diverse persons, who have since setled
and Built, and are now Settling and Building thereon, And also, that the
said Towns are healthful and open to Trade and Navigation, But because the
same are not laid out and Erected into Towns by act of Assembly the
Freeholders and Inhabitants thereof will not be intitled to the like
Priviledges enjoyed by the Freeholders and Inhabitants of other Towns in
this Colony.
Be it Enacted by the Lieutenant Governor, Council, and Burgesses of this
present General Assembly, and it is hereby Enacted by the Authority of the
same, That the said Parcels of Land, lately belonging to the said Abraham
Jones and William Poythress, lying and being in the County of Prince George
aforesaid, be and are hereby Constituted, Appointed, Erected, and
Established towns, in the Manner they are already laid out, to be called by
and retain the Names of Petersburg and Blandford respectively, And that the
Freeholders of the said Towns shall forever hereafter Enjoy the same
Priviledges which the Freeholders of other Towns Erected by Act of assembly
have and Enjoy.		03/07/2009 7:06:26
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress & Jones in founding Blandford & Petersburg townsBarbara NealThe William Poythress who founded the town of Blandford, is designated by
Batte as "25" and on Diana Diamond's enhanced Chart of Poythress Family in
VA, as "BE"

He is the William who married Sarah Eppes / Epes; they are both buried in
the church yard at Blandford Cemetery, where their markers still stand:

His gravemarker is raised from the ground, in the form of a bench over his
grave. Inscription reads: "Here lies the corpse of Col. William Poythress,
Son of Mr. John Poythress, Who died the 18 Jan 1763, Aged 68 years." (His
father John Poythress was Batte's "2" and Diana's "B" -- that John who
married Christian Peebles.

Her gravemarker is raised from the ground, in the form of a bench over her
grave. Inscription reads: "Here lies the corpse of Sarah Poythress, daughter
of Collonel Francis Eppes and wife to Collonel William Poythress, who died
the (illegible number) October 1750, Aged 48 years."

William & Sarah had children:
- Ann Isham (Batte's "251" & Diana's "BEA") who married Thomas S. Gordon
- William (Batte's "252" & Diana's "BEB") who married 1st Mary Eppes / Epes
- Sarah (Batte's "253" & Diana's "BEC")
- Elizabeth (Batte's "254" & Diana's "BED") who married Patrick Ramsay /
Ramsey

That last child, Elizabeth, and her husband and daughter are the people in
this obituary of their daughter, from the "National Intelligencer" newspaper
issue of Weds 13 Jul 1836 [square brackets contain my clarification. Note:
National Intelligencer and Diana's chart spell the surname as Ramsey, while
Slaughter spells it as Ramsay]:
Potts, Eliza, relict of John Potts, and mother of Mrs. D. Semmes, died
in Alexandria [Virginia], June 18, 1836, in the 69th year of her age. She
was the daughter of Patrick Ramsey, who emigrated from Scotland and settled
in Petersburg, Va., before the Revolution. In Petersburg, he married the
daughter of William Poythress [Elizabeth; they married 26 Nov 1760 in
Bristol Parish, Dinwiddie Co, VA per Slaughter's "History of Bristol
Parish"], and there his daughter was born. She subsequently went with her
father early to Scotland [prior to the Revolution, per Slaughter], and was
educated in Glasgow. On returning to Va. [after Patrick Ramsay's death, his
widow returned with her children in 1791 to Alexandria, Va., per Slaughter],
the family settled in Alexandria and there she married John Potts. They
entertained Gen. Washington on numerous occasions in their home.		03/07/2009 7:58:08
Re: [POYTHRESS] John Poythress Northampton Co, NC petition re his pay as soldierBarbara NealHey Crystal,

Actually I'm pretty sure that's not the citation regarding the petition
about John Poythress' estate filed by Mary Poythress etc against Hardiman.
Back in the 1990s, I know that Jean put that citation for the estate
petition in the caption of her message giving our List the transcription,
but I'm pretty sure that citation only belongs with the below deed (which
she may have had filed with her copy of the petition, and thus confused it).

Here is the deed, which I think is all that properly belongs with that
citation. It is abstracted here as shown by Dr. Stephen E. Bradley, Jr.
[square brackets have my clarification]:

Northampton Co, NC Deed Book 6, p.351
Odom (x) Poythress of Northampton Co. to Robert Crittenden of same. 23 Aug
1779. 73£6s8p proclamation. 50 acres, joining Peter Runnely, James Sexton.
Also signed by Sele (x) Poythress. Wit: Samuel Wornum, Thos. Williams. Sep
Ct 1779 [when the deed was recorded]. Jeph. Atherton CC

I do plan to double-check the microfilm of Deed Book 6, p.351 (and I hope to
also find a better description of where the 50 acres was) but I feel
positive Dr. Bradley would have included in his published abstracts such an
important document as the petition, if it was on the same page as the above
deed.
Bpn		03/07/2009 8:49:59
Re: [POYTHRESS] John Poythress Northampton Co, NC petition re his pay as soldierBarbara NealSuper - thanks.
Bpn



03/07/2009 9:38:36
Re: [POYTHRESS] John Poythress Northampton Co, NC petition re his pay as soldierCrystal RoseSorry bout that...it's Northampton County Deeds, V6, page 351.

On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Crystal, it would be great if you can tell us from your original (when you
> dig it out) what volume & page of records at the county, that petition
> regarding John's estate was officially filed in; that way we can provide
> the correct citation on the website.
>
> I look forward to learning more.
> Bpn
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] John Poythress Northampton Co, NC petition re his pay as soldierSandyThis doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the petition for soldier
pay, and may be something everyone already knows, but Northampton County's
estate records (1766-1911) have been filmed, and it also appears that David
Gammon has published abstracts of Northampton's estate records.
The LDS film # which should include Portress/Poythress, etc. appears to be
#2363527. (NC Archives has these arranged alphabetically, and this is the
film containing folders Pope, John C. – Prichard, Thomas H.H.)

David Gammon's book, "Records of estates, Northampton County, North
Carolina," has been put on microFICHE by the LDS (which is great, since the
fiche is super cheap). However, the dates listed in the LDS description of
Gammon's work may be a bit "late" for this estate:
Contents: v. 1. Guardian accounts (1781-1802); Inventories & accounts of
sales of estates (1781-1793); Inventories, accounts of sales & accounts
current (1797-1801) -- v. 2. Estates found in court records, 1792-1816.

In any case, prior to ordering the film, it is possible to find out whether
there's an estate file for John Poythress.... and finding out is free for NC
residents since they can simply fill out the online email form to NC
Archives and inquire whether there's an estate file for John Poythress of
Northampton Co who died ca. XXXX(enter year.) Archives responds via snail
mail, and if there is an estate record, they'll include a slip stating the #
of pages and total photocopy cost (currently charged at 10-cents per page)
which may wind up being less expensive than the $6 LDS fee to rent the film.

Also, the NC State Library lends microfilms of the county estates records
via inter-library loan (which is usually free) - but I *think* they only
lend the estate files to libraries *within* North Carolina. Call or email
them to be certain about this, though. I know they *do* lend other films to
out-of-state libraries, but for some reason I seem to recall the estates
files films were (at least at one time) restricted to in-state. I have no
idea why.

Details about NC Archives email requests and a link to the online form for
this are found here:
http://www.archives.ncdcr.gov/mail.htm

Details on anything concerning the State Library are on the library's site:
http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/

FYI, seems like I checked on a Northampton Co estate record for Peter
Woodlief, and there wasn't one, though for the life of me, I can't imagine
why there wasn't, given the number of slaves shown in the 1810 census. I
would've thought there would be an estate record there.

-Sandy		03/07/2009 11:08:20
Re: [POYTHRESS] John Poythress Northampton Co, NC petition re his pay as soldierCrystal Roseok.....let me look again. I know that was written at the top of the copy.
I'll dig around tonight and see if I can find the original source.

On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Hey Crystal,
>
> Actually I'm pretty sure that's not the citation regarding the petition
> about John Poythress' estate filed by Mary Poythress etc against Hardiman.
> Back in the 1990s, I know that Jean put that citation for the estate
> petition in the caption of her message giving our List the transcription,
> but I'm pretty sure that citation only belongs with the below deed (which
> she may have had filed with her copy of the petition, and thus confused
> it).
>
> Here is the deed, which I think is all that properly belongs with that
> citation. It is abstracted here as shown by Dr. Stephen E. Bradley, Jr.
> [square brackets have my clarification]:
>
> Northampton Co, NC Deed Book 6, p.351
> Odom (x) Poythress of Northampton Co. to Robert Crittenden of same. 23 Aug
> 1779. 73£6s8p proclamation. 50 acres, joining Peter Runnely, James Sexton.
> Also signed by Sele (x) Poythress. Wit: Samuel Wornum, Thos. Williams.
> Sep
> Ct 1779 [when the deed was recorded]. Jeph. Atherton CC
>
> I do plan to double-check the microfilm of Deed Book 6, p.351 (and I hope
> to
> also find a better description of where the 50 acres was) but I feel
> positive Dr. Bradley would have included in his published abstracts such an
> important document as the petition, if it was on the same page as the above
> deed.
> Bpn
>
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>		03/07/2009 11:36:15
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress & Jones in founding Blandford & Petersburg townsRandy JonesSee comment below marked with asterisks (***).



________________________________

From: Barbara Neal
To: Poythress
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2009 4:58:08 PM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress & Jones in founding Blandford & Petersburg towns

*** I believe that Col. William Poythress (b.c.1694) was instead the grandson of John Poythress (b.c.1635) and Christian Peebles, and the son of John Poythress (b.c.1669) who married Mary Batte.  The chronology would not have been impossible but seems less likely.

Her gravemarker is raised from the ground, in the form of a bench over her
grave. Inscription reads: "Here lies the corpse of Sarah Poythress, daughter
of Collonel Francis Eppes and wife to Collonel William Poythress, who died
the (illegible number) October 1750, Aged 48 years."

William & Sarah had children:
- Ann Isham (Batte's "251" & Diana's "BEA") who married Thomas S. Gordon
- William (Batte's "252" & Diana's "BEB") who married 1st Mary Eppes / Epes
- Sarah (Batte's "253" & Diana's "BEC")
- Elizabeth (Batte's "254" & Diana's "BED") who married Patrick Ramsay /
Ramsey

That last child, Elizabeth, and her husband and daughter are the people in
this obituary of their daughter, from the "National Intelligencer" newspaper
issue of Weds 13 Jul 1836 [square brackets contain my clarification. Note:
National Intelligencer and Diana's chart spell the surname as Ramsey, while
Slaughter spells it as Ramsay]:
    Potts, Eliza, relict of John Potts, and mother of Mrs. D. Semmes, died
in Alexandria [Virginia], June 18, 1836, in the 69th year of her age.  She
was the daughter of Patrick Ramsey, who emigrated from Scotland and settled
in Petersburg, Va., before the Revolution.  In Petersburg, he married the
daughter of William Poythress [Elizabeth; they married 26 Nov 1760 in
Bristol Parish, Dinwiddie Co, VA per Slaughter's "History of Bristol
Parish"], and there his daughter was born.  She subsequently went with her
father early to Scotland [prior to the Revolution, per Slaughter], and was
educated in Glasgow.  On returning to Va. [after Patrick Ramsay's death, his
widow returned with her children in 1791 to Alexandria, Va., per Slaughter],
the family settled in Alexandria and there she married John Potts.  They
entertained Gen. Washington on numerous occasions in their home.

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The William Poythress who founded the town of Blandford, is designated by
Batte as "25" and on Diana Diamond's enhanced Chart of Poythress Family in
VA, as "BE"

He is the William who married Sarah Eppes / Epes;  they are both buried in
the church yard at Blandford Cemetery, where their markers still stand:

His gravemarker is raised from the ground, in the form of a bench over his
grave. Inscription reads: "Here lies the corpse of Col. William Poythress,
Son of Mr. John Poythress, Who died the 18 Jan 1763, Aged 68 years."  (His
father John Poythress was Batte's "2" and Diana's "B" -- that John who
married Christian Peebles.		03/07/2009 12:30:29
Re: [POYTHRESS] NC estate records' availabilityBarbara NealAh, thanks for the further clarification -- I had not realized that in NC
the State Library and the State Archives were two separate entities, having
been so used to them being under one umbrella in VA. Appreciate the info.
Bpn

On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Sandy wrote:

> Hi Barbara,
> While NC Archives does not participate in inter-library loan, the NC State
> Library *does*. They are two separate entities. Yes, you can purchase
> copies
> of films through the NC Archives. But if you'd just as soon borrow a film
> through interlibrary loan, check with the State Library of NC first. I've
> ordered a great many NC newspaper films through the State Library of NC via
> interlibrary loan - and I don't think there was any charge involved. With
> some libraries there is a small charge, but if I recall correctly, the
> films
> via the State Library didn't incur any. The official requests for
> interlibrary loan items have to come directly from your library, but if you
> have an "advance questions" before ordering through your library, they are
> really wonderful in helping you.
>
> Here's the State Library site:
> http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/
>
> Oh, and another thing... the State Library has a *wonderful* reference
> service, and they don't charge out-of-state residents. Now, it's not so
> "specific" as the genealogical requests you'd make of NC Archives, but for
> example, if you have some more general research questions, or you need
> copies of some pages from a specific book, the State Library will help you,
> make photocopies of pages, etc. Just last week they helped me with info
> about the state's 1890s "Geological Museum." And it was the State Library
> which sent me photocopies from a book which listed Peter Woodlief's service
> to the NC State House of Representatives.
>
> -Sandy
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Barbara Neal
> wrote:
>
> > Sandy, thanks for the good info about the FHL film & Gammon's book, and
> for
> > the NC Archives' links for online requests & for info about the library.
> >
> > FYI, in an email exchange earlier this week with an archivist at the NC
> > Archives, I was told (re a different microfilm I had inquired about
> seeing
> > &
> > I had asked, since I live outside NC, whether it would be available on
> > inter-library loan): that I could snail-mail them a $12 check & an order
> > for a specific film; they will duplicate & mail me a copy of the
> microfilm
> > (the $12 includes duplication cost & shipping); but that "Unfortunately,
> > the
> > NC State Archives does not participate in any inter-library loans."
> >
> > So it's particularly good to know about the Family History Library film &
> > Gammon's book, in this instance.
> > Bpn
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Sandy wrote:
> >
> > > This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the petition for
> > soldier
> > > pay, and may be something everyone already knows, but Northampton
> > County's
> > > estate records (1766-1911) have been filmed, and it also appears that
> > David
> > > Gammon has published abstracts of Northampton's estate records.
> > > The LDS film # which should include Portress/Poythress, etc. appears to
> > be
> > > #2363527. (NC Archives has these arranged alphabetically, and this is
> the
> > > film containing folders Pope, John C. – Prichard, Thomas H.H.)
> > >
> > > David Gammon's book, "Records of estates, Northampton County, North
> > > Carolina," has been put on microFICHE by the LDS (which is great, since
> > the
> > > fiche is super cheap). However, the dates listed in the LDS description
> > of
> > > Gammon's work may be a bit "late" for this estate:
> > > Contents: v. 1. Guardian accounts (1781-1802); Inventories & accounts
> of
> > > sales of estates (1781-1793); Inventories, accounts of sales & accounts
> > > current (1797-1801) -- v. 2. Estates found in court records, 1792-1816.
> > >
> > > In any case, prior to ordering the film, it is possible to find out
> > whether
> > > there's an estate file for John Poythress.... and finding out is free
> for
> > > NC
> > > residents since they can simply fill out the online email form to NC
> > > Archives and inquire whether there's an estate file for John Poythress
> of
> > > Northampton Co who died ca. XXXX(enter year.) Archives responds via
> snail
> > > mail, and if there is an estate record, they'll include a slip stating
> > the
> > > #
> > > of pages and total photocopy cost (currently charged at 10-cents per
> > page)
> > > which may wind up being less expensive than the $6 LDS fee to rent the
> > > film.
> > >
> > > Also, the NC State Library lends microfilms of the county estates
> records
> > > via inter-library loan (which is usually free) - but I *think* they
> only
> > > lend the estate files to libraries *within* North Carolina. Call or
> email
> > > them to be certain about this, though. I know they *do* lend other
> films
> > to
> > > out-of-state libraries, but for some reason I seem to recall the
> estates
> > > files films were (at least at one time) restricted to in-state. I have
> no
> > > idea why.
> > >
> > > Details about NC Archives email requests and a link to the online form
> > for
> > > this are found here:
> > > http://www.archives.ncdcr.gov/mail.htm
> > >
> > > Details on anything concerning the State Library are on the library's
> > site:
> > > http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/
> > >
> > > FYI, seems like I checked on a Northampton Co estate record for Peter
> > > Woodlief, and there wasn't one, though for the life of me, I can't
> > imagine
> > > why there wasn't, given the number of slaves shown in the 1810 census.
> I
> > > would've thought there would be an estate record there.
> > >
> > > -Sandy
> > >
> >
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>		03/08/2009 6:11:06
Re: [POYTHRESS] Charlotte & William P. PoythressBarbara NealSuper. Thanks, Julie, for the research & getting the photos & the scan.
I'd love to get each of them, and in separate messages (but *not*
compressed, please) is the easiest way for me to handle them, with our
not-robust dsl speed here, our wireless router, and having 2 of us online at
the same time;)

Sounds like you had a great trip!
Bpn		03/08/2009 6:35:52
[POYTHRESS] Tobacco as currency in Colonial period's economyBarbara NealOn the Southside VA list, was the below info for those who've ever wondered
"How much is that" when seeing some ancestor paying for something with some
quantity of tobacco.
Bpn

Here is an article with references that shows the cost of tobacco. It
apparently became a method of currency to pay for trade/taxes/marriage etc.

_Economic Aspects of Tobacco during the Colonial Period 1612-1776_
(http://www.tobacco.org/History/colonialtobacco.html)		03/08/2009 8:58:39
Re: [POYTHRESS] NC estate records' availabilitySandyIt is a different structure than VA's, although both the Archives and the
State Library are within the NC Dept of Cultural Resources.
Unfortunately, it looks like interlibrary loan won't help those outside of
NC when it comes to the collection of genealogical films - but it *does*
help for newspaper films, as well as other films (although I don't really
know what "other" films they hold).

Here are the details, Barbara. Unfortunately, the estates records films are
only loaned IN-state (drat!):
http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/reference/ill/index.html

-Sandy


On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Ah, thanks for the further clarification -- I had not realized that in NC
> the State Library and the State Archives were two separate entities, having
> been so used to them being under one umbrella in VA. Appreciate the info.
> Bpn
>
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Sandy wrote:
>
> > Hi Barbara,
> > While NC Archives does not participate in inter-library loan, the NC
> State
> > Library *does*. They are two separate entities. Yes, you can purchase
> > copies
> > of films through the NC Archives. But if you'd just as soon borrow a film
> > through interlibrary loan, check with the State Library of NC first. I've
> > ordered a great many NC newspaper films through the State Library of NC
> via
> > interlibrary loan - and I don't think there was any charge involved. With
> > some libraries there is a small charge, but if I recall correctly, the
> > films
> > via the State Library didn't incur any. The official requests for
> > interlibrary loan items have to come directly from your library, but if
> you
> > have an "advance questions" before ordering through your library, they
> are
> > really wonderful in helping you.
> >
> > Here's the State Library site:
> > http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/
> >
> > Oh, and another thing... the State Library has a *wonderful* reference
> > service, and they don't charge out-of-state residents. Now, it's not so
> > "specific" as the genealogical requests you'd make of NC Archives, but
> for
> > example, if you have some more general research questions, or you need
> > copies of some pages from a specific book, the State Library will help
> you,
> > make photocopies of pages, etc. Just last week they helped me with info
> > about the state's 1890s "Geological Museum." And it was the State Library
> > which sent me photocopies from a book which listed Peter Woodlief's
> service
> > to the NC State House of Representatives.
> >
> > -Sandy
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Barbara Neal
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Sandy, thanks for the good info about the FHL film & Gammon's book, and
> > for
> > > the NC Archives' links for online requests & for info about the
> library.
> > >
> > > FYI, in an email exchange earlier this week with an archivist at the NC
> > > Archives, I was told (re a different microfilm I had inquired about
> > seeing
> > > &
> > > I had asked, since I live outside NC, whether it would be available on
> > > inter-library loan): that I could snail-mail them a $12 check & an
> order
> > > for a specific film; they will duplicate & mail me a copy of the
> > microfilm
> > > (the $12 includes duplication cost & shipping); but that
> "Unfortunately,
> > > the
> > > NC State Archives does not participate in any inter-library loans."
> > >
> > > So it's particularly good to know about the Family History Library film
> &
> > > Gammon's book, in this instance.
> > > Bpn
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Sandy wrote:
> > >
> > > > This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the petition for
> > > soldier
> > > > pay, and may be something everyone already knows, but Northampton
> > > County's
> > > > estate records (1766-1911) have been filmed, and it also appears that
> > > David
> > > > Gammon has published abstracts of Northampton's estate records.
> > > > The LDS film # which should include Portress/Poythress, etc. appears
> to
> > > be
> > > > #2363527. (NC Archives has these arranged alphabetically, and this is
> > the
> > > > film containing folders Pope, John C. – Prichard, Thomas H.H.)
> > > >
> > > > David Gammon's book, "Records of estates, Northampton County, North
> > > > Carolina," has been put on microFICHE by the LDS (which is great,
> since
> > > the
> > > > fiche is super cheap). However, the dates listed in the LDS
> description
> > > of
> > > > Gammon's work may be a bit "late" for this estate:
> > > > Contents: v. 1. Guardian accounts (1781-1802); Inventories & accounts
> > of
> > > > sales of estates (1781-1793); Inventories, accounts of sales &
> accounts
> > > > current (1797-1801) -- v. 2. Estates found in court records,
> 1792-1816.
> > > >
> > > > In any case, prior to ordering the film, it is possible to find out
> > > whether
> > > > there's an estate file for John Poythress.... and finding out is free
> > for
> > > > NC
> > > > residents since they can simply fill out the online email form to NC
> > > > Archives and inquire whether there's an estate file for John
> Poythress
> > of
> > > > Northampton Co who died ca. XXXX(enter year.) Archives responds via
> > snail
> > > > mail, and if there is an estate record, they'll include a slip
> stating
> > > the
> > > > #
> > > > of pages and total photocopy cost (currently charged at 10-cents per
> > > page)
> > > > which may wind up being less expensive than the $6 LDS fee to rent
> the
> > > > film.
> > > >
> > > > Also, the NC State Library lends microfilms of the county estates
> > records
> > > > via inter-library loan (which is usually free) - but I *think* they
> > only
> > > > lend the estate files to libraries *within* North Carolina. Call or
> > email
> > > > them to be certain about this, though. I know they *do* lend other
> > films
> > > to
> > > > out-of-state libraries, but for some reason I seem to recall the
> > estates
> > > > files films were (at least at one time) restricted to in-state. I
> have
> > no
> > > > idea why.
> > > >
> > > > Details about NC Archives email requests and a link to the online
> form
> > > for
> > > > this are found here:
> > > > http://www.archives.ncdcr.gov/mail.htm
> > > >
> > > > Details on anything concerning the State Library are on the library's
> > > site:
> > > > http://statelibrary.ncdcr.gov/
> > > >
> > > > FYI, seems like I checked on a Northampton Co estate record for Peter
> > > > Woodlief, and there wasn't one, though for the life of me, I can't
> > > imagine
> > > > why there wasn't, given the number of slaves shown in the 1810
> census.
> > I
> > > > would've thought there would be an estate record there.
> > > >
> > > > -Sandy
> > > >
> > >
> > > -------------------------------
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> > > POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
> > >
> >
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>		03/08/2009 11:58:34
[POYTHRESS] Charlotte & William P. PoythressJulie CabittoHi everyone,
Finally made it to Hollywood cemetery, yesterday.
I took pictures of the family plot, and have a scanned image of the cemetery transcription too. This is the Charlotte who was head matron at Chimborazo hospital, and her husband (who was an officer) died at sea. Her rent being paid, is in the Confederate Citizens File, which I found on Footnote.com.
Since I can't add attachments to the list, let me know if you're interested, and I'll send the pictures. I'll type up the transcription hopefully tomorrow. Please notate if you're dial-up, then I'll split the pictures up into separate emails or can compress them for you, if you prefer that. So just let me know how you'd like the pictures.
Love, Julie

Julie Nielsen Cabitto
My motto: Let us live life pure & simple.
http://juliecabitto-preservinghistoryrecords.blogspot.com/
http://sanetra-genhistory.blogspot.com/



03/08/2009 12:51:47
Re: [POYTHRESS] update on Mrs. Charlotte Poythress @ Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond, VABarbara NealThese photos from Richmond VA's Hollywood Cemetery will make great additions
to our website when Al has time to post them. Julie, thank you so much for
all this great work!

All the photos came through in beautiful shape -- not surprising, I guess,
considering the high resolution you took them:) And I really appreciate the
additional message with the transcription of the cemetery's internment info
on all these Poythress people, whose cemetery stones didn't have dates.

I am curious about the size of the map you mentioned that the cemetery had
mailed you, that highlights exactly where the plot is in the cemetery: Is
this a small enough map that you could scan it for us, so that any of us
heading to Richmond could go see this plot in person?

Thanks so much for all your great work, and for sharing it with all of us.
Bpn



03/09/2009 3:54:14
[POYTHRESS] update on Mrs. Charlotte Poythress @ Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond, VAJulie CabittoThis Charlotte was the head matron at Chimborazo Hospital in Richmond, VA. (One of the major Confederate hospitals. Unfortunately, many of the 5,000+ Confederates buried in Hollywood Cemetery are from this hospital, a casualty of war).

My notes on this family: Charlotte Poythress was daughter of Elias Reed & Sally Block. She married William P. Poythress who died during the Civil War in 1862. Their children were (from Census):
1) Patrick Henry Poythress born abt 1846
2) William P. Poythress born abt 1848, married Louisa (Cambell or Mayo?)
3) Sarah Reed Poythress born abt 1852
4) Walter Epes Poythress born abt 1861

This is a family plot, not in the Confederate part. I called to ask the cemetery which plot Charlotte was in, and they mailed me a map, highlighting exactly where it was in the cemetery, as well as a transcription, which is very important here, because these stones did not have dates.
___________________________________________________________
Pictures taken, what the tombstones said and the original file size, (uncompressed):

1-William P. Poythress name on family plot (4.71MB)
2-Patrick Henry & Charlotte Reed Poythress (6.06MB)
3-Charles R. Poythress (5.13MB)
4-Louisa C. Poythress (5.16MB)
5-Sallie R. Poythress (5.46MB)
6-William P. Poythress (5.87MB)
7-Charlotte Poythress (5.59MB)
8-Walter Eppes Poythress (5.21 MB)
9-Cemetery plot overview (4.69MB)
______________________________________________________________
Here's a transcription of the cemetery notes. I have a scan of it if interested, it's 6.56MB. If in (parenthesis), it means it's a notation written on the record. There is a picture, with where each entry, # 1-8 is buried. Hollywood Cemetery is very genealogy friendly 🙂

W. P. Poythress Section 20, Lot 5
Interments:
1. Charlotte Poythress June, 26, 1897
2. Pat H. Poythress Oct 28, 1901
3. Charlotte R. Poythress Sep 6, 1906 (Charles)
4. Charles R. Poythress Oct 28, 1901 (Charlotte)
5. Walter E. Poythress March 23, 1911
6. William P. Poythress Jun 5, 1920 (stone)
7. Miss Sallie R. Poythress Feb 1, 1927 (slate)
8. Mrs. Louisa C. Poythress Oct 19, 1927


Julie Nielsen Cabitto
My motto: Let us live life pure & simple.
http://juliecabitto-preservinghistoryrecords.blogspot.com/
http://sanetra-genhistory.blogspot.com/		03/09/2009 3:58:19
[POYTHRESS] Hollywood Cemetery mapJulie CabittoThanks Barbara!
I've been thinking about the map. It is really big. It's ten 8x11 pages, folded together. I'm still pretty new at Adobe Photoshop elements. It is possible to scan each page, and then "tape" them together into one image. But I have no idea how to do that yet, and I have tried recently. If any one else knows, I can try it.
The map is great, because there are a number of streets in the cemetery. And the office highlighted (with arrows too) how to get to the plot from the front entrance all the way to the plot. I could just highlight the page where the plot is, if that's enough. I just looked at it again because you asked. I can scan the portion of the map were they are, and that will definitely been enough to see where you are, and find your way around the cemetery. Sending a partial map scan your way Barbara.
Love, Julie

Julie Nielsen Cabitto
My motto: Let us live life pure & simple.
http://juliecabitto-preservinghistoryrecords.blogspot.com/
http://sanetra-genhistory.blogspot.com/		03/10/2009 4:31:18
[POYTHRESS] Trip to Northampton County North CarolinaCrystal RoseI just returned from a trip to Northampton County NC Courthouse and what I
was looking for has been transferred to Raleigh already. So, the record of
John Poythress Estate suit filed on Hardyman will require Raleigh. The
earliest court records and wills they have in Northampton are around 1860.

I did, however, find the Sheriff Sales for the 2 Poythress men (John and
James) and it is interesting where this land is located.

Document #1 is as follows
Book #24, pg 308, Northampton County North Carolina Deeds

Sheriff to Moody
State of North Carolina

To all persons before whom these presents shall come James H. Wood High
Sheriff of the county of Northampton sendeth greeting whereas by a Writ of
Order of sale issued out of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Session for the
County of Northampton against the lands of James Portress in favor of
William Moody and Co bearing Teste date the first Monday of June last past
for the sum of twelve dollars forty two and a half cents--besides the
further sum of three dollars and eighteen cents for the cost and charges in
said suit expended; and to the said Sheriff directed, did by his lawful
deputy Richard H. Weaver, after giving due and legal notice of the time and
place of sale, sell at public auction at Northampton Courthouse on the first
Monday of September last past all of the above James Portress interest in an
undivided tract of land lying in District No 2, adjoining the lands of Seth
Peebles, Charlotte Peters and others containing ninety-five acres be the
same more or less and sold the same to William Moody, he being the last and
highest bidder at the price of sixteen dollars and ninety cents which was
the best price that could be obtained~ Now know ye that the said Sheriff for
and in consideration of the above sum to him in hand paid by the said
William Moody at and before the insealing and delivery of these presents the
receipt whereof he hath hereby acknowledged, he the said Sheriff hath given,
granted, bargained and sold and by these presents doth give, grant, bargain
and sell unto the said William Moody his heirs and assigns all of the said
James Portress interest in the above land and appurtenances thereunto
belonging. To have and to hold the said land and appurtenances hereby
granted or intended to be granted unto the said William Moody, his heirs or
assigns but for no other as greater estate than was claimed or held by the
said James Portress according to an Act of Assembly in such case made and
provided. In witness whereof the said Sheriff hath hereunto set his hand and
affixed his seal the 10th day of November, 1800 and twenty seven.


James H. Wood, Sheriff (seal)

Northampton County December Court 1828
This deed was acknowledged in open court by James H. Wood, Sheriff and
ordered to be certified and registered.


Teste: John W. Harrison, CCC
Registered Jan 31, 1829
Witness: Hardy Cobb, PR




Document #2

Book #24 page 274
Sheriff to Moody

The State of North Carolina
To all persons before whom these presents shall come James H. Wood, High
Sheriff of the County of Northampton in the state aforesaid sendeth
greeting~ Whereas by a Writ of Order of Sale issued out of the Court of
Pleas and Quarter Sessions for the County of Northampton bearing teste date
the first Monday of June last past against the lands of John Portress in
favor of William Moody and Company for the sum of five dollars and eighty
cents including int besides the further sum of three dollars 38/100 in said
expended for cost and charges to and the said Sheriff directed did by
Richard H. Weaver, his lawful deputy after giving due and lawful notice of
the time and place of sale sell at public auction at Northampton County
Courthouse on the first Monday of September last past the said John Portress
interest in a tract or parcel of land lying in District No 2 adjoining the
lands of Charlotte Peters and others containing ninety five acres in the
undivided tract be the same more or less and sold the same to William Moody
being the last and highest bidder at the price of ten dollars which was the
best price that could be obtained. Now know ye that the said Sheriff for and
in consideration of the above named sum in hand paid at and before the
insealing and delivery of these presents, the receipt whereof he hath hereby
acknowledged he the said Sheriff hath given, granted, bargained and sold and
by these presents doth give, grant, bargain and sell according to the
directions of the above recited in Writ and by virtue and force thereof unto
the said William Moody, his heirs and assigns all the said John Portress
interest in the above land, together with his interest in the appurtenances,
thereunto belonging to have and to hold the said land and appurtenances,
hereby granted as intended to be granted unto the said William Moody his
heirs and assigns and to their own proper use and behoof, but for no other
nor greater estate than was held at the time by the said John Portress
according to an Act of Assembly in such case made and provided. In witness
whereof he the said Sheriff, hath hereunto set his hand and affixed his seal
the 10th day October 1800 twenty seven.

Jas H. Wood, Sheriff SEAL

Northampton County December Court 1828
This deed was acknowledged in open court by Jas H. Wood, Sheriff and ordered
to be certified and registered.

Teste: John W. Harrison, CCC
Registered 30 Jan 1829
Witness: Hardy Cobb, PR



What piques my interest is Seth Peebles and Charlotte Peters. Seth married
July Ann Peters, daughter of John Peters of Greensville County. Charlotte is
the wife of July's brother Henry. She was a Sykes prior to marriage. This
group leaves Northampton and heads down to Lowndes Co Mississippi. However,
on the petition for administrator of John's estate, Hardiman is bound with
Seth Peebles in 1729.

We were discussing how the flow is more apparent between VA and NC, from
Bertie to Mecklenburg. I am not sure if you know where the exact location of
these Poythress properties were in Northampton but they are no more than 3
miles from the VA state line. Of course, Northampton forming from Bertie
brings in the elusive William Poythress of Bertie. One of his land deeds in
Bertie is to a Mathew Turner which is yet another main line of the
"Portuguese Settlement" and one that the Poythress line ties heavy into in
Northampton Co. There is also an estate filed in Bertie for Ann Scott in
which there is a Sarah Portress listed.

There is a program called Deed Mapper that is wonderful. Maybe if we can
plot the land of Bertie, we will see it fall in Northampton Co and right
were the land for Odam Poythress is located. Which, this is located just
across the state line from the 1732 land deed of Poythress in Brunswick on
Fountain's Creek. This land ended up in later years belonging to P K Garner,
grandson of Rev William Garner of Fountain's Creek. P K's niece married a
Poythress.

It is my opinion that the area of Brunswick/Greensville/Mecklenburg and
Northampton are all one in the same. I think this area was a HOT bed of
tri-racial activity because of Fort Christanna and the trade. I have been
studying the area as a whole, not just specific names in my line but the
associations between the various families across the county and state lines
and there is a lot more going on than we can even begin to understand.

I did note a name in Northampton that I hadn't seen before and that was an
Adocia A Poythress. I didn't copy the deed but it is found in Book # 45,
page 366 and she is from Southampton County, VA. She sold some land that was
located in Margarettsville area of Northampton (just east of Gaston) to
Wilkins Powell. Just thought I would throw that out in case anyone had heard
of her. This was dated 2 Dec 1874. Late date.

Sorry so windy...just excited from my trip.
Any thoughts?
Crystal		03/11/2009 5:06:17
Re: [POYTHRESS] Trip to Northampton County North CarolinaSandyCrystal, I thought it might help to illustrate what Bertie comprised as late
as 1740 - a very large area:
http://www.usgwarchives.org/maps/northcarolina/statemap/1740_NCCounties.jpg

Tyrrell (which you see to the southeast) was formed in 1729 from pieces of
Chowan, Bertie , Currituck and Pasquotank, after which Bertie remained
intact until 1741 when both Edgecombe and Northampton were carved out of it.

By 1760, the state looks like this:
http://www.usgwarchives.org/maps/northcarolina/statemap/1760NCCounties.jpg

Best,
-Sandy

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Crystal Rose wrote:

>
> We were discussing how the flow is more apparent between VA and NC, from
> Bertie to Mecklenburg. I am not sure if you know where the exact location
> of
> these Poythress properties were in Northampton but they are no more than 3
> miles from the VA state line. Of course, Northampton forming from Bertie
> brings in the elusive William Poythress of Bertie. One of his land deeds in
> Bertie is to a Mathew Turner which is yet another main line of the
> "Portuguese Settlement" and one that the Poythress line ties heavy into in
> Northampton Co. There is also an estate filed in Bertie for Ann Scott in
> which there is a Sarah Portress listed.
>
> There is a program called Deed Mapper that is wonderful. Maybe if we can
> plot the land of Bertie, we will see it fall in Northampton Co and right
> were the land for Odam Poythress is located. Which, this is located just
> across the state line from the 1732 land deed of Poythress in Brunswick on
> Fountain's Creek. This land ended up in later years belonging to P K
> Garner,
> grandson of Rev William Garner of Fountain's Creek. P K's niece married a
> Poythress.
>
> It is my opinion that the area of Brunswick/Greensville/Mecklenburg and
> Northampton are all one in the same. I think this area was a HOT bed of
> tri-racial activity because of Fort Christanna and the trade. I have been
> studying the area as a whole, not just specific names in my line but the
> associations between the various families across the county and state lines
> and there is a lot more going on than we can even begin to understand.
>
> I did note a name in Northampton that I hadn't seen before and that was an
> Adocia A Poythress. I didn't copy the deed but it is found in Book # 45,
> page 366 and she is from Southampton County, VA. She sold some land that
> was
> located in Margarettsville area of Northampton (just east of Gaston) to
> Wilkins Powell. Just thought I would throw that out in case anyone had
> heard
> of her. This was dated 2 Dec 1874. Late date.
>
> Sorry so windy...just excited from my trip.
> Any thoughts?
> Crystal
>
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[POYTHRESS] Upgrades to Poythress WebsiteAlbert TimsPoythress Surname List Subscribers,

Barbara Poythress Neal and I have been working on updating and
improving the functionality of the Poythress Research website as a
family history depository and original research resource. Several
others of you have been very helpful as well. Many of you have
contributed content over the years that we'll be able to make more
readily accessible.

www.poythress.net

You'll see that we're migrating to PDF files as the primary document
management approach. PDF files are more easily downloaded and can now
be packages into searchable portfolios for download and online
searching. This new approach holds tremendous potential.

If you visit the website you'll find a new gallery for viewing the
Bolling-Batte index cards and a variety of new PDF files and a couple
of new image galleries. For example, we have a new image gallery for
the Hollywood cemetery in Richmond, VA and a nicely documented gallery
for the Charles David Poythress family bible. We've converted several
lengthy compilations into more easily downloaded formats and have
several PDF portfolios to house collections of documents and images.

Please note that viewing the PDF portfolio's with the full search
capabilities will require the latest (free) version of the Adobe
Reader -- version 9.1 at this writing. For example, it is possible
(with the latest reader) to simultaneously search all 21 of the
Virginia county compilations assembled by John Maynard Poythress using
search terms of your choice. The term "Peter", as in Peter Poythress,
returned more than 470 instances of that given name across 21 Virginia
counties. (Note -- this is a fairly large portfolio, so it might take
a little while to open). The new search feature also makes it very
easy to move to view each instance of the search term. Again, this
feature will only work with the most recent version of Adobe Reader.

The first priority will be on pulling together the authoritative
compilations and transcriptions of primary source materials (census,
deed, court documents, maps, etc.) and then organizing and documenting
important artifacts (image galleries, historical accounts, etc.),
secondary source materials and finally to appropriately documented
studies and allied family information. I hope to extract the most
authoritative materials posted to the listserv and the rich array of
information compiled by John Maynard Poythress for distribution via CD.

For the record -- we have more than 6,400 message posts archived --
even from the very early days when there were just a few of us --
before we moved the list to Rootsweb. It is good to remember that
the entire listserv archive can be searched by keyword. The easy way
is to link from the Poythress webpage, or you can search using the
following URL (just copy and paste into your browser:

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop&path=POYTHRESS

At present, you have 60 subscribers to the Poythress surname
discussion list.

I will be out of the country all next week, so I'm not going to be
able to address issues or respond to queries right away.

Best,

Al Tims




Best,

Al Tims		03/12/2009 8:32:31
Re: [POYTHRESS] Upgrades to Poythress WebsiteI want to thank you to Al. Have Fun.
Judy
-------------- Original message from Barbara Neal : --------------


> Thanks so much, Al, for all your work in updating & improving the website.
> Have a safe & enjoyable trip.
> Bpn
>
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03/13/2009 2:26:58
Re: [POYTHRESS] Upgrades to Poythress WebsiteBarbara NealThanks so much, Al, for all your work in updating & improving the website.
Have a safe & enjoyable trip.
Bpn



03/13/2009 6:09:25
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress websiteAl and Barbara,

Terrific job! Thanks so much to both of you for such a great web site!

Best, Barbara (BPW)
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[POYTHRESS] 1792 NC Rev pay & estate file for John Poythress (d.1778); Who is Seth Peebles?Barbara NealRecently I posted a short summary of the men I had found listed, who seem to
fit as being Poythresses (of various spellings) in Weynette Parks Haun's
lengthy series of volumes of transcriptions from the North Carolina
Revolutionary Army Accounts, including Accounts of the Secretary of State,
and the Treasurer's & Comptroller's Papers.

For a bit more depth on one: Haun's "NC Revolutionary Army Account
(Treasurer's & Comptroller's Papers) Vol.X, Part VIII" has two listings for
John "Portress:"

First (repeating info that Sandy had posted re his death date), his name
appeared on a list that indicated
"John Portress" was a "Soldier of the Continental Line paid for services
prior to 1 Jan 1782 in addition to & exclusive of Settlements made at
Halifax [NC] 1783-1785 & at Warrenton in 1786"
for whom "Commencement of pay" was 1 Jan 1777 and "Period of Pay" ended
1 May 1778. This list showed his amount of pay authorized at that point
(apparently circa 1792) was 34£ 1 shilling 9 pence.

Secondly, his name appeared on a list abstracting settlements of Army
Accounts at Hillsborough in 1792. On that list
"John Portress" was listed with his Amount Allowed being the
above-mentioned 34£ 1 sh 9p, of which 8£ 10 sh 5p was paid in Due Bills, and
the balance of 25£ 11 sh 4p was paid in Certificates. Portress' pay was
receipted for by Seth Peebles.

So it seems logical that Seth Peebles' name also shows up in the Loose
Estate Records of Northampton Co, NC, in the estate record for "John
Poythress" transcribed below.

My question is -- Who was this Seth Peebles? I know that one of sons of the
original Francis Poythress, John (who logically would have been born around
the mid-1600s) married Christian Peebles -- perhaps the families were
long-connected -- for more than 100 years is really a long time. I don't
recall seeing any indication of the maiden name of John's wife, Mary, but
perhaps she was a Peebles? -- Can anyone help with this?

In the microfilmed Northampton Co, NC Estate Records circa 1766-1911, all of
these "Loose Papers" were just filed in alphabetical order by the name of
the deceased. FHL film 2,363,527 covers the names of "Pope, John C [thru]
Prichard, Thomas H.H." While the various items were likely referred to in
various bound volumes of the county's records (such as Order Books, etc) not
all those other records are extant. These Loose Estate Papers give us a
citation now for the petition posted at our Poythress research website, and
my transcription of it below clarifies a few of the words earlier unclear.
(The film contained other Poythress men, whose files I will later be
posting, too.)

The front & back of three items were contained for this estate; sadly two of
the items were two versions of the same petition, and the items did not
include any Inventory, in spite of an indication that an inventory was
indeed prepared. That indication of there having been an inventory is from
David B Gammon's book "Records of Estates, Northampton Co, NC Vol. II,
Estates Found in Court Records, 1792-1816," in the section for Court of
Pleas & Quarter Sessions, 1792-1796, Gammon's abstract, in its entirety,
reads:
John Poythress - Administration grtd. Hardimon Poythress, June Ct., 1792.
Inventory by the admr., Sept. Ct., 1792.

Transcription of estate file by Bpn:
= = =
Northampton Co, NC Estate Records circa 1766-1911
File for "John Poythress 1792" contained in frames #1655-1662, of FHL film
2,363,527

[ITEM on frames 1661-1662: Administrator's Bond, using a pre-printed form,
with the blanks filled in by pen, resulting in the document reading as
below, with square brackets containing my notes. NOTE: in the old-style
type-setting, a lower-case "s" looks very similar to a lower-case "f" except
that the lower-case "s" has no cross-bar]:
=
State of North Carolina
Northampton County
Know all men by these presents, that we Hardimon Poythress & Seth
Peebles are held and firmly bound unto his Excellency [Alexander illegible
surname, perhaps Marden?] Esq, Captain-General and Commander in chief in and
over the said State, in the sum of fifty pounds current money: to be paid to
said Governor, his successors or assigns. To the which payment, well and
truly to be made, we bind ourselves, our heirs, executors and
administrators, jointly and severally, firmly by these presents. Sealed
with our seals and dated this 4th day of June Anno Domini 1792.
The condition of the above obligation is such, that if the above bounden
Hardimon Poythress administrator of all and singular the goods and chattels,
rights and credits of John Poythress deceased, do make, or cause to be made
a true and perfect inventory of all and singular the goods and chattels,
rights and credits of the deceased, which have and shall come to the hands,
knowledge or possession, of this said Hardimon Poythress or into the hands
or possession of any person, or persons, for him and the same so made, do
exhibit, or cause to be exhibited to the Court of the county aforesaid
within ninety days from the date of these presents; and the same goods,
chattels and credits [worn-away long hole along the fold-line of the
document] credits of the deceased, at the time [full line of type illegible
along the fold-line] Hardimon Poythress or into the hands or possession of
any person or persons for him do well and truly administer according to law;
and further do make or cause to be made a true and just account of his said
administration within Three Months after the date of these presents and all
the rest and residue of the said goods, chattels and credits, which shall be
found remaining upon the said administrat____ account, the same being first
examined and allowed by the court of the said county, shall deliver and pay
unto such person, or persons, respectively, to which the same shall be due,
pursuant to the true intent and meaning of the act in that case made and
provided: and if it shall appear that any will or testament was made by the
said deceased, and the executor or executors therein named do exhibit the
same into court, making request to have the same allowed and approved of
accordingly; if the said Hardimon Poythress above bounden, being thereunto
required, do render the said letters of administration (approbation of such
testament, being first had and made in the said court) then this obligation
to be void and of no effect, otherwise to remain in full force and virtue.
Hardimon (his + mark) Poythress (Seal)
Seth [looks like "P" as his mark] Peebles (Seal)
Signed and sealed,
in presence of
CCt Haynes
= = =

[ITEM: Petition. Here transcribed are *both* of the back-sides of the
folded 2-page petition contained in the file, since the backs contain
different info from each other. Frame 1657 is the back of the first of the
two versions of the same petition, and frame 1660 is the back of the 2nd
version. The 2nd version of the petition itself is the one I've transcribed
below; it is in frames 1658-1659. In the first version of the petition, on
frames 1665-1666, there were additional surname-spelling variances beyond
the ones included below, with the first version of the petition in places
having "Portress" and "Heathcock."]
=
[Frame 1657 - Back of 1st version of folded petition]
70
Portress & al
vs
Portress Adm &c

Pet'o
Northampton
Dec term 1792

Spa [subpoena] issued
Copy sent

B.B. Att

James Brandley agrees to be Security for Costs
[signature: possibly "L.C Freeard"?]
=
[Frame 1660 - Back of 2nd version of folded petition]
Porthress & als
vs
Poythress Adm'r &c

Petition
A Copy
to be delivered to
the Defendant

BB att'o [Plaintiffs' attorney's initials]
=
To the Worshipful the Justices of Northampton County Court
The Petition of Mary Poythress, Nanny Porthress, Temperance Poythress,
Edmund Hathcock & Anritta his wife & Newman Hathcock & Winifred his wife
humbly sheweth that John Poythress the husband of your petitioner Mary &
Brother of your Petitioners Temperance[,] Anritta, Nanny & Winifred being
entitled to pay as a Soldier from the public to the amount & value of one
hundred pounds & upwards departed this life some time in the year 1778 or
1779 Intestate & his Brother Hardimon Porthress of the said County obtained
Letters of Administration of his Estate in your Worships Court about June
Court Last past whereby he became entitled to and has actually received from
the public the pay and arreages [i.e. arrearage - the amount in arrears] of
pay due to the intestate as aforesaid, And notwithstanding Your Petitioners
have frequently in a friendly manner requested the said Administrator to pay
and deliver to them their respective parts & shares of the said Estate so
received by him as aforesaid - to wit - one half to your petitioner Mary the
widow & one seventh part of the residue Thereof to each of your other
Petitioners the said intestate having left no chid & Seven Brothers &
Sisters, Yet the said administrator has always evaded or refused to comply
with such reasonable request. Wherefore as your Petitioners are without
redress except before your Worships, agreeably to the Act of the General
Assembly in such case made & provided. May it please your Worships to grant
to your petitioners your Writ of Subpeoena summoning the said Hardimon
Poythress before your Worships to answer upon his Corporal Oath the premises
as fully as if the same were herien again particularly interrogated &
repeated And that your Petitioners may have such releif in the premises the
Equity and Justice of their Case may entitle them to & They will pray &c
B. Baker Att
for pet'nr
A true Copy from the Original filed.
Test Haynes, CCt		03/15/2009 5:35:21
[POYTHRESS] Peebles - Poythress connectionsBarbara NealThanks so much for the response to me off-List, copied [with slight
additions from me] and pasted below. Maybe someday we'll similarly nail
down such a simple view showing just a 7 (more or less) generation listing
down from Francis Poythress to our various Poythress documented-ancestors;)
Bpn

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:28 PM:

> Here is all I know of Seth Peebles (Seth Newton Peebles). Most of this
> information came from the Peebles family genealogy, from a researcher in the
> Seth Newton Peebles line:
>

> He married Julia Ann Peters, daughter of John Peters of Greensville County,
> VA.
>
> Seth Newton Peebles' line (coming down by generations, to him) was;
>
> 1-Capt. David Peibles/Pebles b. abt 1610 Fife, Scotland
> 2-Wm.#1
> 3- David #1 Peebles
> 4-Jehu Sr.
> 5-Jehu Jr. Peebles/Peeples
> 6-Nathaniel Peebles
> 7-Seth Newton Peebles
>
> As far as Peebles connections to Poythress:
> Capt.David (1st generation shown above) & his 2nd wife Elizabeth Bishop
> willed the plantation, Bon-Accord in VA to their da. Christian Peebles who
> married John Poythress Sr. Dec.18,1688.
>
> Seth Newton Peebles' father, Nathaniel (6th generation down, shown above)
> was b.1763 Brunswick Co, VA, raised & married in Guilford Co. NC [Bpn note:
> today Greensboro is in center of Guilford Co]. He lived & died in
> Rowan/Davidson Co, NC [Bpn note: today, I-85 runs thru that area, between
> Greensboro & Charlotte].
>
> No known Native American Blood. Tried several times to find out if anyone
> knows of Seth's position in Northampton County Society with no avail. He is
> all over the "Portuguese Settlement" land and in early documents. Marrying
> into the Peters line of Greensville Co, VA put him in the middle of the
> Fountain's Creek settlement as well.
>
> Seth remarried after Julia Peters to L.M. Coltraine and removed to Lowndes
> Co, Mississippi with her. [Bpn note: County seat of Lowndes Co is Columbus.
> Lowndes Co, MS is on the Mississippi-Alabama state line, immediately west of
> Pickens Co, Alabama -- Pickens is the county that is immediately north of
> Sumter Co, AL where the James Edward Poythress & James Speed Poythress lines
> moved in the 1850s]
>
> Seth was also POA for Charlotte Sykes Peters before she left to go to
> Lowndes Co Mississippi as well as for 2 of the James brothers (Free Persons
> of Color) of Northampton to settle their accounts for their Rev War pay.
> Maybe he was an attorney but no one has ever stated nor have I found
> anything stating that, as of yet.
>
> He was involved in Horse Breeding in Northampton Co, NC and supposedly
> helped subdue Nat Turner during the insurrection.
>
> Once he arrived in Lowndes Co, MS, Seth helped establish the First National
> Bank in Columbus, MS.
>		03/15/2009 9:04:15
Re: [POYTHRESS] Peebles - Poythress connectionsBarbara NealAdditional correction to the below, just received off-List and copied here
with thanks for the correcting info:
Would you believe there are 2 Seth Peebles in Northampton Co, NC??? The
elder is the one that is all involved with the Poythress, the younger is the
one that married Julia Peters and supposedly dies in 1850 in Lowndes Co,
Mississippi. If and how they are connected, I do not know but I do know that
the elder Seth dies in Northampton Co, NC in 1812. I found his will and was
exhibited in Dec Court of 1812, Northampton Co, NC. I would venture to say
that Yes, they are connected because of the dealings and associations that
they both have. Just wanted to let you know that I found that today.		03/15/2009 9:44:59
[POYTHRESS] Hardiman and Bejamin Poythress Reportnancy netterHere is my report for Hardiman and (mainly) Benjamin Poythress. Of course, there are probably errors, but having a report is better than nothing at all.
 
Thanks for all the research you guys have been doing.
 
Thanks,
 
Nancy Netter
 

Descendants of Hardiman Poythress

Generation No. 1
1.  HARDIMAN1 POYTHRESS was born Abt. 1769 in Virginia.  He married ELIZABETH GOLDER 13 Oct 1789 in Prince George County, Virgina.  She was born Abt. 1770 in Virginia.
Notes for HARDIMAN POYTHRESS:

The following information was taken from the Poythress.net website:
 
From: "Michael Tutor"
Subject: Elizabeth Bland Poythress (1770-), wife of William Poythress (c. 1765-c. 1810), of Branchester, correction
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:20:26 -0500
Correction to the previous message.
A couple of documents may provide the answers as to who was living in
"Betty" Poythress' household in 1810. The following "virtual census" is
provided due to the lack of names in a census prior to 1850 when only the
head of the household was listed.
Betey Poythress, 1810, Prince George Co., Va., p. 542, 3 m under 10, 1 m
10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 f 10-15, 1 f 26-44.
(Virtual census):
Elizabeth Bland Poythress b. 1766-1784 b. March 29, 1770 (widow of William
Poythress 1765-c. 1810)
Joshua Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1784 (possibly
son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Thomas E. Poythress b. 1785-1794 b. abt. 1785 (possibly son
of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Mary Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. August 3, 1793 (possibly
daughter of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
William Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1794 (possibly
son of Wm. & Mary Gilliam Poythress)
Elizabeth Poythress b. 1795-1800 b. abt. 1800 (probably the
daughter of Wm. and Elizabeth Bland Poythress)
1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly child of Hardiman Poythress)
1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly child of Hardiman Poythress)
1 M under 10 b. 1800-1810
(possibly child of Hardiman Poythress)
On May 15, 1810, in the Prince George County Surveyor's record, Pursuant to
an Order of the court and by direction of John Batte, John H. Peterson and
Peter Epes, I surveyed the estate of William Poythress, deceased, on Old
Courthouse Road. William Poythress' land was called "Branchester" and
Simmons branch. The Plat shows 200 acres to Patrick Poythress, 313 acres to
William Poythress, 50 acres to Joshua Poythress and 300 acres to Thomas
Poythress. Robert Turnbull was the County Surveyor.
In November, 1811, in the Prince George County Court, Nathaniel Marks,
Administrator of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, was to pay Elizabeth
Poythress for the benefit of the infant children of said Hardiman Poythress.
Based upon the above, it looks like Betty became responsible for the
children of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam. Betty's husband, William
Poythress, of Branchester, seems to have provided for his cousin's children
through the division of his property. Patrick Henry Poythress, the oldest
son and
child of William Poythress and Mary Gilliam was most likely living on his
own plantation and married to Mary Epes. Elizabeth Poythress, daughter of
William Poythress and Elizabeth Bland, married Richard Marks and lived at
Branchester.
The three youngest males are most likely the orphans of Hardiman Poythress
as she was taking care of his infant children.
It is interesting to note the surnames of Hardiman Poythress' administrator
and Elizabeth Poythress' husband - "Marks."
In August, 1811, in the Prince George County court, the Will of William
Poythress, of Branchester, was proved. In December, 1811, the Will of
William Poythress was further proved by Sarah Stiles.

From: Crystal
Subject: Re: Hardiman Poythress
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 18:28:01 -0500 (EST)
Here's what I have on Hardiman Poythress. He is our stumbling block for the Northampton County group of Poythress.

Head of a Northampton County household of 3 free males and 2 free females in Captain Williams' District of the state census and 5 "other free" in 1790 [NC:72].
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Jesse Mitchell was granted administration on his estate by the Northampton County court on only 50 pounds bond [Minutes 1792-96, 219].
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Revolutionary War Records
Col. W.L. Davidsonâ??s Co 1779
Left at Hospital
Hardy Poythress
Bertie County minutes.
Order book of Sgt. Isaac Rowell
9th Regiment
Hardy Poythress, Lewis Poythress
Pay Accounts
Hardyman Poythress
2nd Regiment
3rd NC Regiment
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Estate Records
1787 Hardyman Poythress â?? James Sexton (Northampton County)
1789 Hardyman Poythress â?? Ransford Flowers (Northampton County)
1791 Hardyman Poythress â?? Ransford Flowers (Northampton County)

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State of North Carolina
Northampton County
Know all men by these presents, the we Hardimon Poythress and Seth Peebles are held and firmly bound unto his Excellency�..(illegible)��, Esq., Captain-General and Commander in chief in and over the said State, in the sun of fifty pounds, current money to be paid to said Governor, his sucessors or assigns. To the which payment, well and truly be made, we bind ourselves, our heirs, executors and administrators, jointly and severally, firmly by these presents. Sealed with our seals and dated this (?) day of September, 1792.

The condition of the above obligation is such, that if the above bounded Hardimon Poythress, administrator of all and singular the goods and chattels, rights and credits of John Poythress, deceased, do make, or cause to be made a true and perfect inventory of all and singular the goods and chattels, rights and credits of the deceased, which have or shall come to the hands, knowledge or possession, of the said Hardimon Poythress or into the hands or possession of any person or persons for him and the same so made, do exhibit, or cause to be exhibited to the Court of the county aforesaid within ninety days from the date of these presents and the same goods, chattels and credits ���.(illegible)���..
Said Hardimon Poythress or into the hands or possession of any person or persons for him do well and truly administer according to law; and further do make or cause to be made a true and just account of ...Lis(?)â?¦ said administration within two (?) months after the date of these presents and all the rest and residue of the said goods, chattels and credits, which shall be found remaining upon the said administrat account, the same being first examined and allowed by the court of the said county, shall deliver and pay unto such person or persons, respectively, to which the same shall be due, pursuant to the true intent and meaning of the act in that case made and provided; and if it shall appear that any will or testament was made by the said deceased and the executor or executors therein named do exhibit the same into court, making request to have the same allowed and approved of accordingly, if the said Hardimon Poythress above bounden, being
thereunto required, do tender!
the said letters of administration (approbation of such testament, being first had and made in the said court) then this obligation to be void and no effect, otherwise to remain in full force and virtue.

Signed and sealed in presence of his
? JoynerHardimon (X) Poythress
Mark

Seth Peebles
 

*Seth Peebles married Julie Ann Peters.
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Poythress Estate records
Estate of John Poythress, Northampton County, North Carolina (c. 1779)
Mentions: Mary Poythress, Nanny Portress, Temperance Poythress, Hardimon Porthress
C the Worshipful the Justices of Northampton County Court
The Petition of Mary Poythress, Nanny Portress, Temperance Poythress, Edmund Hathcock & Anritta his wife & Newman Hathcock & Winifred his wife humbly sheweth that John Poythress the husband of your petitioner Mary & Brother of your Petitioners Temperance Anritta, Nanny & Winifred being entitle to pay as a Soldier from the public to the amont value of one hudred pounds & upward departed this live some time in the year 1778 or 1779 Intestate His Brother Hardimon Porthress of the said County obtained Letters of Administration of his Estate in your Worships Court about June Court Last past whereby he became intitled to and has actually received from the public the pay and arrages (?) of pay due to the intestate as aforesaid, and notwithstanding Your Petitioners have frequently in a friendly manner requested the said administrator to pay and deliver to them their respective parts. & shares of the said Estate so received by him as aforesaid to wit one half to
your petioner Mar!
y the widow & one seventh part of the residue thereof to each of your other Petitioners the said intestate having left no chid & seven Brothers & Sisters, Yet the said administrator has always evaded or refused to comply with such reasonable requests. Wherefore as your Petitioners are without redress except before you Worships agreeably to the Act of the General Assemly in such case made proided. May it lease your Worship to grant to your petitiners your Writ of Subpeoena summoning the said Hardimon Poythress before your Worships to answer upon his Corporal Oath the promises (?) as fully as if the same were herien again particularly interrogated (?) & refuted (?) And that your Petitioners may have such releif in the prim(?) the Equity and Justice of their Case may intitle them to & they will pray so
B. Baker Att
for pett

 
Child of HARDIMAN POYTHRESS and ELIZABETH GOLDER is:
2. i. BENJAMIN2 POYTHRESS, b. 1808, Southampton, Virginia; d. 26 Jul 1865, Petersburg, Virginia.

Generation No. 2
2.  BENJAMIN2 POYTHRESS (HARDIMAN1) was born 1808 in Southampton, Virginia, and died 26 Jul 1865 in Petersburg, Virginia.  He married SUSAN MARY WILLIAMS 13 Jul 1848.  She was born 08 Apr 1825 in Petersburg, Virginia, and died 18 Nov 1877 in Petersburg, Virginia.
More About BENJAMIN POYTHRESS:
Burial: Square 2, Section 44 Ward D, old grounds, Blandford Cemetery, Petersburg, Virginia
Residence: 1860, Petersburg Centre Ward, Petersburg (Independent City), Virginia
More About SUSAN MARY WILLIAMS:
Residence: 1870, Petersburg Ward 6, Petersburg (Independent City), Virginia
 
Children of BENJAMIN POYTHRESS and SUSAN WILLIAMS are:
3. i. GEORGE A3 POYTHRESS, b. May 1849, Petersburg, Virginia; d. Aft. 1900, Virginia.
 ii. JOHN WILLIAMS POYTHRESS, b. 1851, Petersburg, Virginia.
 iii. VIRGINIA ALICE POYTHRESS, b. 1853, Petersburg, Virginia.
More About VIRGINIA ALICE POYTHRESS:
Residence: 1870, Petersburg Ward 6, Petersburg (Independent City), Virginia
 iv. MARY ELLEN POYTHRESS, b. 1856, Petersburg, Virginia; m. ROBERT WOODSON ROBERTS; b. Abt. 1850, Virginia.
More About MARY ELLEN POYTHRESS:
Residence: 1870, Petersburg Ward 6, Petersburg (Independent City), Virginia
 v. BENJAMIN FRANKLIN POYTHRESS, b. 1858, Petersburg, Virginia.
4. vi. SUSAN FRANCES POYTHRESS, b. 23 Dec 1860, Halifax, North Carolina, USA; d. 1887.
 vii. LAURA MAGNOLIA POYTHRESS, b. 1863, Petersburg, Virginia.
More About LAURA MAGNOLIA POYTHRESS:
Residence: 1870, Petersburg Ward 6, Petersburg (Independent City), Virginia

Generation No. 3
3.  GEORGE A3 POYTHRESS (BENJAMIN2, HARDIMAN1) was born May 1849 in Petersburg, Virginia, and died Aft. 1900 in Virginia.  He married ELLAN M DAVIS 14 Sep 1876 in Montgomery County, VA.  She was born Jun 1859 in Ohio.
Notes for GEORGE A POYTHRESS:
George's death date is unknown, but is sometime between 1900 and 1910 based on the following information in the 1910 Census record.
-  Ellan M Davis Poythress is found living as a boarder in the David Hawkins home in Lynchburg, Campbell Co., Virginia.
 - Corene A Poythress is living in Presbyterian Orphan's Home in Brookville District, Campbell Co., Virginia
- Clyde L Poythress is living as a servant in Samuel McGraw's household, Forest District, Bedford County, Virgina.
 

More About GEORGE A POYTHRESS:
Military: 20 Jun 1861, Virginia
Residence: 1860, Petersburg Centre Ward, Petersburg (Independent City), Virginia
Notes for ELLAN M DAVIS:
In the 1900 Census Ellan list that she has had 12 birth and 8 children living. So, there are more children to list with her. In 1910 she list 12 births and 6 children living. So, two children died between 1900 and 1910.

More About ELLAN M DAVIS:
Residence: 1900, Lynchburg Ward 1, Lynchburg City, Virginia
 
Children of GEORGE POYTHRESS and ELLAN DAVIS are:
 i. GEORGE D4 POYTHRESS, b. Jul 1878, Virginia.
More About GEORGE D POYTHRESS:
Residence: 1900, Lynchburg Ward 1, Lynchburg City, Virginia
 ii. CLARA I POYTHRESS, b. Feb 1880, Virginia.
More About CLARA I POYTHRESS:
Residence: 1900, Lynchburg Ward 1, Lynchburg City, Virginia
 iii. HARRY A POYTHRESS, b. 27 Jul 1881, Lynchburg, Virginia; d. 03 Jan 1949.
More About HARRY A POYTHRESS:
Military: 27 Aug 1911
Residence: 1900, Lynchburg Ward 1, Lynchburg City, Virginia
Unknown-Begin: 03 Jan 1949, VA
5. iv. ALICE MAGNOLIA POYTHRESS, b. May 1886, Virginia; d. 04 Mar 1922, Greensboro, Guilford, North Carolina.
 v. FLORENCE C POYTHRESS, b. May 1890, Virginia.
More About FLORENCE C POYTHRESS:
Residence: 1900, Lynchburg Ward 1, Lynchburg City, Virginia
 vi. MARY POYTHRESS, b. Dec 1892, Virginia.
More About MARY POYTHRESS:
Residence: 1900, Lynchburg Ward 1, Lynchburg City, Virginia
6. vii. CLYDE L POYTHRESS, b. Jan 1895, Virginia.
 viii. CORENE ADELE POYTHRESS, b. Mar 1897, Virginia.
More About CORENE ADELE POYTHRESS:
Residence: 1900, Lynchburg Ward 1, Lynchburg City, Virginia

4.  SUSAN FRANCES3 POYTHRESS (BENJAMIN2, HARDIMAN1) was born 23 Dec 1860 in Halifax, North Carolina, USA, and died 1887.  She married WILLIAM LEWIS TYUS 27 Oct 1881 in Weldon, North Carolina.  He was born 1835 in Booker, Sussex, Virginia, USA, and died 09 May 1913 in Oak Forest, Sussex, Virginia, USA.
More About SUSAN FRANCES POYTHRESS:
Residence: 1870, Petersburg Ward 6, Petersburg (Independent City), Virginia
More About WILLIAM LEWIS TYUS:
Residence: 1910, Sussex, Sussex, Virginia
 
Children of SUSAN POYTHRESS and WILLIAM TYUS are:
 i. LEWIS WILLIAMSON4 TYUS, b. 20 Jun 1884, Sussex, Virginia, USA; d. 23 Dec 1948, Richmond, Henrico, Virginia, USA.
More About LEWIS WILLIAMSON TYUS:
Residence: 1900, Sussex, Sussex, Virginia
 ii. MYRTA MAE TYUS, b. 07 Aug 1882, Henrico, Virginia, USA.
More About MYRTA MAE TYUS:
Residence: 1910, Sussex, Sussex, Virginia
 iii. BENJAMIN TYUS, b. 01 Jan 1886, Sussex, Virginia, USA.

Generation No. 4
5.  ALICE MAGNOLIA4 POYTHRESS (GEORGE A3, BENJAMIN2, HARDIMAN1) was born May 1886 in Virginia, and died 04 Mar 1922 in Greensboro, Guilford, North Carolina.  She married RUPERT WINFRED CABLE, son of MARTIN CABLE and NANNIE LEMMONS.  He was born 20 Aug 1885 in Guilford, North Carolina, and died 11 Mar 1965 in North Carolina.
More About ALICE MAGNOLIA POYTHRESS:
Residence: 1900, Lynchburg Ward 1, Lynchburg City, Virginia
More About RUPERT WINFRED CABLE:
Other-Begin: Guilford County
Residence: 1930, Greensboro, Guilford, North Carolina
 
Children of ALICE POYTHRESS and RUPERT CABLE are:
7. i. MARJORIE WINNIFRED5 CABLE, b. 21 Mar 1907, Guilford, North Carolina; d. 12 Sep 1994, Greensboro, Guilford, North Carolina, United States of America.
 ii. ALICE LUCILE CABLE, b. 08 Mar 1909, Rockingham, North Carolina; d. 02 Nov 1965; m. GEORGE WAUGH; b. 02 Aug 1901, Texas; d. 16 Jun 1986, Winston-Salem, Forsyth, North Carolina.
More About ALICE LUCILE CABLE:
Residence: 1910, Simpsonville, Rockingham, North Carolina
More About GEORGE WAUGH:
Residence: Surry, North Carolina
Social Security Number: 246-07-1721
SSN issued: North Carolina
8. iii. FRANCES LEE CABLE, b. 26 Dec 1910, Rockingham, North Carolina; d. 09 Oct 1991, Plainfield, Hendricks, Indiana, United States of America.
 iv. SHIRLEY ELIZABETH CABLE, b. 13 Oct 1912, North Carolina; m. (1) GILBERT R HENDREN; m. (2) ROBERT J WALDEN.
More About SHIRLEY ELIZABETH CABLE:
Residence: 1930, Greensboro, Guilford, North Carolina
 v. NANCY MAY CABLE, b. 26 May 1914, North Carolina; m. (1) BILL GRIFFEN; m. (2) JOE DIMASE.
More About NANCY MAY CABLE:
Residence: 1930, Greensboro, Guilford, North Carolina
 vi. RUPERT WINFRED CABLE JR., b. 13 Aug 1915, Rockingham, North Carolina; m. (1) HELEN GREY; m. (2) GIPSIE CHADWELL.
More About RUPERT WINFRED CABLE JR.:
Residence: 1930, Greensboro, Guilford, North Carolina
 vii. MARY PAULINE CABLE, b. 19 Oct 1916, North Carolina; d. 16 Feb 1987, Greensboro, Guilford, North Carolina; m. JOHN ALLEY.
More About MARY PAULINE CABLE:
Residence: 1930, Greensboro, Guilford, North Carolina
 viii. JAMES L CABLE, b. 15 Sep 1920, North Carolina.
More About JAMES L CABLE:
Military: 04 Aug 1942, Fort Benjamin Harrison, Indiana
Residence: 1930, Greensboro, Guilford, North Carolina

6.  CLYDE L4 POYTHRESS (GEORGE A3, BENJAMIN2, HARDIMAN1) was born Jan 1895 in Virginia.  He married ETHEL UNKNOWN.  She was born 1901.
More About CLYDE L POYTHRESS:
Residence: 1900, Lynchburg Ward 1, Lynchburg City, Virginia
More About ETHEL UNKNOWN:
Residence: 1930, Pharr, Hidalgo, Texas
 
Children of CLYDE POYTHRESS and ETHEL UNKNOWN are:
 i. CLYDE5 POYTHRESS, b. 1923.
More About CLYDE POYTHRESS:
Residence: 1930, Pharr, Hidalgo, Texas
 ii. MARY F POYTHRESS, b. 1929.
More About MARY F POYTHRESS:
Residence: 1930, Pharr, Hidalgo, Texas

Generation No. 5
7.  MARJORIE WINNIFRED5 CABLE (ALICE MAGNOLIA4 POYTHRESS, GEORGE A3, BENJAMIN2, HARDIMAN1) was born 21 Mar 1907 in Guilford, North Carolina, and died 12 Sep 1994 in Greensboro, Guilford, North Carolina, United States of America.  She married JOE KIRKMAN.  He was born 1905 in North Carolina.
More About MARJORIE WINNIFRED CABLE:
Residence: 1910, Simpsonville, Rockingham, North Carolina
Social Security Number: 246-74-4103
SSN issued: North Carolina
More About JOE KIRKMAN:
Residence: 1930, Greensboro, Guilford, North Carolina
 
Child of MARJORIE CABLE and JOE KIRKMAN is:
 i. WINFREE6 KIRKMAN, b. 1928.
More About WINFREE KIRKMAN:
Residence: 1930, Greensboro, Guilford, North Carolina

8.  FRANCES LEE5 CABLE (ALICE MAGNOLIA4 POYTHRESS, GEORGE A3, BENJAMIN2, HARDIMAN1) was born 26 Dec 1910 in Rockingham, North Carolina, and died 09 Oct 1991 in Plainfield, Hendricks, Indiana, United States of America.  She married (1) ORANE POSTLEWAITE 1929, son of ORANE POSTLEWAITE and ETHEL DERRY.  He was born 11 Apr 1911 in Indianapolis, IN, and died 03 Aug 1998 in Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, United States of America.  She married (2) JACK QUINN 1949. 
More About FRANCES LEE CABLE:
Residence: 1930, Greensboro, Guilford, North Carolina
Social Security Number: ############
SSN issued: North Carolina
Notes for ORANE POSTLEWAITE:
Orane and Frances divorced in about 1940, Indianapolis, Marion County, Indiana.

More About ORANE POSTLEWAITE:
Residence: 1920, Indianapolis Ward 9, Marion, Indiana
Social Security Number: ############
SSN issued: Indiana
 
Children of FRANCES CABLE and ORANE POSTLEWAITE are:
 i. LIVING6 POSTLEWAITE.
 ii. ORANE POSTLEWAITE, b. 23 Mar 1930, Indianapolis, Marion, IN; d. 27 Sep 1980, Morgan County, Indiana.
More About ORANE POSTLEWAITE:
Residence: Martinsville, Morgan, Indiana, USA
Social Security Number:
SSN issued: Indiana		03/16/2009 11:44:44
[POYTHRESS] Hardiman and Bejamin Poythress Report by NetterBarbara NealNancy, thanks for sharing your report. Could I get you to please attach
just the Descendants Report portion of the report to a separate email to me,
off-list, so that I can better follow the numbering?

I sure would appreciate it, since the text version that can flow through our
Rootsweb List messages spaces things a bit oddly & it's hard to follow the
numbering system all the way down. My email, in case it doesn't show on
your header, is barbpoy.neal@gmail.com

Also, you may now wish to substitute into your own records of your report
the more-clarified version of that Petition filed in 1792 in Northampton Co,
NC to get Hardimon to distribute to all the heirs, along with the citation
we now have for that petition. That is part of the message I posted 3/15/09
in my List message captioned "1792 NC Rev pay & estate file for John
Poythress (d.1778); Who is Seth Peebles"

Thanks again,
Barbara		03/17/2009 4:01:05
Re: [POYTHRESS] Reluctant BridegroomNow thats a good one Maynard.
-------------- Original message from "John M. Poythress" : --------------

Mary Poythress of the Lynchburg newspaper article is John Maner Poythress' older
> sister.
> Great Scot.
> My own great great aunt hiding right there in plain daylight. I'll fill it out
> in a day
> or so after I noodle the
> census a bit more. Interesting John Maner Poythress' sister marries a Gross and
> then his
> son marries a
> Gross from same family Those old boys didn't go too far down the road to find a
> bride,
> did they?
>
> Reckon' that's why I'm untarded?
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in
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03/17/2009 4:09:55
Re: [POYTHRESS] Reluctant BridegroomBarbara Neal Will look forward to more. Thanks, Maynard, for identifying her.
Bpn



03/17/2009 8:19:27
[POYTHRESS] Reluctant BridegroomJohn M. PoythressMary Poythress of the Lynchburg newspaper article is John Maner Poythress' older sister.
Great Scot.

My own great great aunt hiding right there in plain daylight. I'll fill it out in a day
or so after I noodle the

census a bit more. Interesting John Maner Poythress' sister marries a Gross and then his
son marries a

Gross from same family Those old boys didn't go too far down the road to find a bride,
did they?

Reckon' that's why I'm untarded?



Maynard




03/17/2009 9:29:37
Re: [POYTHRESS] Bertie Co DocumentBarbara NealHope you don't mind, Crystal, me posting this to the whole Poythress List,
but this is valuable info to be able to find again, via the List's Message
Archives. Since I'm travelling this week & next week, I need to be sure of
being able to retrieve it later.

In answer to your question re the below 2 sets of documentation that you
refer to:
>From my reading of the below, Robert Jenkins, a Continental Soldier of the
Rev War in NC, had 3 children:
1. a daughter Oziany who was married to some unnamed Poythress by 22 Oct
1819
[Note #1: I have seen that first name she has, elsewhere, spelled a
little differently -- by searching the Message Archives I see it in a 1999
message from Jean re an Ozinie who was a daughter of a Horace Poythress --
so it was definitely a female's name.]
[Note #2: from the old script, her surname no doubt looks like
"Poythrefs" but that is just an example of the old acceptable way of writing
"ss" -- that thing that looks like "fs" is called an "S-Set" and comes from
the old Germanic way of writing that came to our country & stuck around for
hundreds of years.]
2. son Auguston Jenkins
3. son Abner Jenkins

And it sounds like W. Abraham Jenkins is some kinsman (perhaps brother or
nephew of the deceased Robert Jenkins), vouching for who were ALL of
Robert's heirs. Then others vouched that W. Abraham Jenkins was a man who
should be believed.

That fits, from Haun's Rev War series, where it seemed that many of the late
payments for Rev War service were made only at certain central locations, so
W Abraham Jenkins vouched in court in Bertie for the above 3 being the only
heirs, and two other people vouched that W Abraham Jenkins was a good person
& thus not fraudulently vouching for who the heirs were.

Then, for your other mention at the bottom here of some apparently-similar
documentation in which "Littleberry, Delia and Priscilla Poythress granting
authorization for Daniel Cherry to draw on John Poythress' service, he is
listed as a friend" -- I would say that "the connection" you asked about, is
likely that Daniel Cherry was a trustworthy friend who would go collect the
money for John Poythress' service, and again deliver it to the appropriate
heirs.

Could I please get a photocopy or scan or transcription of that
documentation involving Littleberry, Delia, & Priscilla for John Poythress?
Sure would appreciate it. Thanks for letting us become aware of this.
Bpn

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Crystal Rose wrote:

> This is one of the papers that Jean had found in Bertie. I don't have the
> reference but I do have the dates.
>
> "Know all men by these presents that I, Auguston Jenkins of the State of
> North Carolina and Hertford County, heir to my father Robert Jenkins, do
> authorize Darling Cherry to draw a land warrant for the services of my
> father Robert Jenkins, a Continental Soldier in the old Revolutionary War in
> the North Carolina {illegible one word} and do all other things touching
> land himself, in as full and ample manner as if I were at the doing of it
> myself.
>
> Witness my hand and seal the 18th November 1818
> Auguston {X} Jenkins {SEAL}
>
> Test
> Daniel Cherry
> William Turner
>
> I, Oziany Portrefs do also authrize said Darling Cherry to draw said land
> warrant mentioned above. 22 October 1819
> Oziany {X} Portrefs {SEAL}
>
> Test
> Daniel Cherry
> Laurunce Cherry
> Abraham Jenkins
>
> I, Abner Jenkins, do also authorize said Darling Cherry to draw said
> warrant mentioned above.
> Witness my hand and seal this 22nd October 1819
> Abner Jenkins {SEAL}
>
> Test
> Daniel Cherry
> Laurence Cherry
>
> State of North Carolina
> Bertie County
> Personally appeared brfore me, W Abraham Jenkins and made oath in due form
> that Auguston Jenkins, Abner Jenkins and Ozina Portrefs is the only heirs to
> Robert Jenkins, a Continental Soldier in the revolutionary war for the State
> of North Carolina.
>
> Sworn to and Subscribed before me under his hand and seal this 23rd day
> October 1819
> Abraham Jenkins {SEAL}
> Test
> Jos Ward
>
> State of North Carolina
> Bertie County
> We do certify that W Abraham Jenkins is a man in good credit. Given from
> under our hands and seals, this 25th day October 1819
> Jas. Ward {SEAL}
> Jas. Trumand {SEAL}"
>
= = =

>
> In the document for Littleberry, Delia and Priscilla Poythress granting
> authorization for Daniel Cherry to draw on John Poythress' service, he is
> listed as a friend.
>
> This record, Oziany Poythress is listing him/herself as an heir to Robert
> Jenkins.
>
> So it looks like Daniel Cherry is drawing off both gentlemen, John
> Poythress and Robert Jenkins. What is the common element here? I am
> definitely missing it. 🙂
>
>		03/17/2009 10:36:54
[POYTHRESS] Northampton Co, NC estate Poythress-mentionsBarbara NealI suspect the below-mentioned "Thomas Poythress" was the one in Meredith's
line, who so-briefly here showed up in Northampton Co, NC (across the
stateline from Mecklenburg Co, VA) before heading down to Georgia.
Bpn

David B. Gammon's "Records of Estates, Northampton County, North Carolina:
Volume I - Accounts, Sales and Divisions 1781-1801" and "Records of
Estates, Northampton County, North Carolina: Volume II - Estates Found in
Court Records 1792-1816"

Gammon notes that Northampton Co was formed out of Bertie Co in 1741, making
it one of NC's oldest counties, and that "unfortunately, many of its early
records are not extant," though he notes that "the wills and deeds are
virtually the only extant continuous records for the first four decades of
the countiy's history." In these two volumes of abstracts (Vol. I being 122
pp + index, and Vol. II being 99 pp + index) he included all names found,
including buyers at sales.
= =
Gammon's Vol. I lists various Poythress sightings, from the estate
records of other people. In Gammon's 1987 Index to this volume, he lists 3
alternate spellings, as well as the Poythress entries below:
- Portice - see Poythress
- Portis - see Poythress
- Potress - see Poythress
- Poythress, Hardimon, Hardin [sic], James, Odam, and Thomas are found in
these estate records, with names spelled as indicated. Most of these were
found by Gammon on the indicated page numbers in the original volume of
"Northampton Co, NC Inventories & Accounts of Sales of Estates, 1781-1793,"
and with the later volume for the final entry below indicated there. Many
of these Poythress entries were as Buyers at estate sales, where Gammon's
abstracts do not indicate what was being purchased or for what price.

-- p.53: estate of Francis Drake - Inventory June Court, 1784 by Morris
Floyd, admr. Account of sale Mar. 24, 1784 - Buyers included: HARDIMON
PORTICE, and JAMES PORTIS. The other buyers, some of whom have surnames
familiar to this general area of NC-VA, were Arthur Hart, Nathl. Doby,
Jeremiah Reams, Joseph Vassar, Josiah Reams, Thos. Williams, Willm.
Lewis, Jno. Mitchell, Rowland Ellis, Kinchen Peterson, Morris Floyd,
Hardy Scott,, James Lewis, James Cooker, James Crew, Saml. Davis, John
Eger, John Peterson, John Johnson, Eaton Haynes, Noel Waddell,
Barthow. Ellis, Willm. Mitchell, Henry Cock, Hezekiah Hough, and James
Heathcock (I note we saw the surname of Heathcock/Hathcock for two of John
Poythress' brothers-in-law -- Edmund, whose wife was Anritta; and Newman,
whose wife was Winifred -- in the petition filed in 1792 attempting to get
John's Administrator, his brother Hardimon, to distribute the estate to
widow and siblings.)

-- p.156 estate of James Sexton - Account of sale June Court, 1787 by
James Hathcock, admr. Buyers included HARDIMON POYTHRESS, and JAMES
"POINGS?" [While Gammon did not index this James' questionned-surname as one
of the "see Poythress" items, it is unusual enough that I wonder about it.]
Other buyers were: Jno. Hathcock, Wm. Hathcock, Rowland Ellis, James
Hathcock, Sarah Hart, James Norton, Isaac Edwards, and James Binford who
Gammon notes "purchased 100 acres of land." This page's entry re this
estate also included an Account Current June Court, 1787 by the admr. Money
was paid to James Norton, William Norton, John Hathcock, William Jean,
and Celia Sexton.

-- p.269 estate of Ransford Flowers - Account of sale Dec. 10, 1789.
Buyers included ODAM POYTHRESS and HARDIMON POYTHRESS. Other buyers were
William Short, Samuel "Wornum?," William McGrigor, Alexander Love, Lucas
Tomlinson, Randol Scott, John McGrigor, Benjamin Woodruff, Lime
Sandifer, Robert Merrymoon, John Narsworthy, William Moughan, Jones
Glover, Benjamin Glover, Mark Williams, Mary Chapman, William Mitchell,
Lemon Land, Andrew Crew, Isham Johnston, John Sandifer, John Horton,
John Binford, William Jean, John Hardin, Rowland Ellis, Thomas Moughan,
Peyton Moughan, Batt Ellis, John Short, William Stark, Jesse Mitchell,
William Glover, Henry Brewer, James Crew, Thomas Williams

-- p.421 estate of Isham Johnson - Account of sale Dec. Court, 1791 by
Henry Vinson, Deputy Sheriff. Buyers included HARDIN [sic; likely this was
Hardimon] POYTHRESS and ODAM POYTHRESS. Other buyers were Wm. Johnson,
Jr.; Wm. Johnson, Senr.; John M. Binford; Abraham Artis; John
Watthorpe; John Sandifer; John Roberson; Joh Lufsey; James Daniel;
Rebecca Lufsey; Sterling Harris; Sally Kemp; Thos. Avent Fox; William
Horton; William Starkes; Nichs. Prince; Willm. Lenair; James Gowen,
Jr.; William Sikes; John Borwn, Jr.; Henry Vinson; Isham Moore; Wm.
Morgan; Jos. Mitchell; Mattw. Key; Arthur Allen; William Glover; Elias
Roberts; Henry Hancock; Jesse Mitchell [who was Administrator on fifty
pounds Bond for the estate of Hardimon Poythress]; Robt. Peebles; Benja.
Glover; Wm. Roberson, Jr.; William Collier; Chas. Thomson; Willm.
Brewer; Moses Collier; James Gowen, Sr.; James Gowen; Joseph Vasser;
John Short; Balam Emery; John Roberts; John Epps; James Daniel; Saml.
Davis; John Harden; Lew. Smith; Saml. Pass; Moses Johnson; Sally
Johnson; Willm. Short; Thos. Johnson; John Fox; Willie Morton; John
Peters; James Binford; Michl. Vinson.

-- p.433 estate of William Granberry - Account current from Mar. 1790 to
Mar. Court 1792 by Wm. Granberry, exr. Listed are many people who "Money
was paid to" including "_______ POTRESS" and many surnames, none of which I
recognize. One surname I do recognize is in the listed item of a note due
the orphans of Wm. RUFFIN which money was paid to Marmaduke Norfleet. Also
listed were numerous people who "Money was received from" none of whose
surnames I recognize.

-- "Northampton Co, NC Inventories, Accounts of Sales & Accounts Current
1797-1801" p.334 estate of Robert Crow - Account current from Jan. 1796 to
Mar. Ct. 1801 by Benj. Williamson, exr. "Money was received from" [which
money could have been received at any time during that Jan 1796 to Mar 1801
period] THOMAS POYTHRESS, Jordan Mosley, William Moseley, P. Reede,
Grey(?) Washington, Ben Dancy, and Jno. Moore. During that same period
"Money was paid to" the following, including some surnames familiar from VA
deeds with Poythresses: James Carter, Edwin Starke, Calep Manning, James
Brown, Abba Ghold, Tos. Moore, Asa Barnes, Saml. Moseley, John King.
= = =
= = =
Gammon's Vol. II lists only two Poythress items, both in the section of
his book re [Estates Found in] Court of Pleas & Quarter Sessions, 1792-1796:

- Hardimon Poythress: Administration grtd. Jesse Mitchell, Mar. Ct.,
1796. [Bpn note: see separate message containing my transcription of
Hardimon's Estate papers from Northampton Co, NC Estate Papers]

- John Poythress: Administration grtd. Hardimon Poythress, June Ct., 1792.
Inventory by the admr., Sept. Ct., 1792. [Bpn note: I already posted my
transcription of these Estate papers, on 3/15/09]		03/17/2009 10:53:29
[POYTHRESS] Northampton Co, NC estate file of Hardimon Poythress 1796Barbara Neal>From "Northampton Co, NC Estate Records circa 1766-1911" (a 71-reel series
of original manuscripts at the North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh, NC)
File for "Hardimon Poythress 1796" frames #1664-1665 of FHL film #2,363,527
which reel covers the names of "Pope, John C [thru] Prichard, Thomas H.H."
transcribed by Bpn, whose clarifying notes are in square brackets.

There is only one item contained for this estate, in frames 1664 - 1665:
- front & back of the Administrator's Bond, using a pre-printed form, with
some of the blanks filled in by pen, resulting in the document reading as
below, with square brackets containing my notes [Note: in the old-style
type-setting, a lower-case "s" looks very similar to a lower-case "f" except
that the lower-case "s" has no cross-bar]:
=
State of North Carolina
____________ County
Know all men by these Presents, That ________ are held and firmly bound
unto ____________ Esquire, Chairman of said court, in the sum of Fifty
Pounds, current money, to be paid to the said _________ or his successors:
To the which payment, well and truly to be made, we bind ourselves, our
heirs, executors, and administrators, jointly and severally, firmly by these
presents. Sealed with our seals, and dated this 7th day of March Anno Dom.
1796
The condition of this Obligation is such, That if the above bounden
Jesse Mitchell administrator of all and singular the goods and chattels,
rights and credits of Hardimon Poythress deceased, do make or cause to be
made, a true and perfect inventory of all and singular the goods and
chattels, rights and credits of the deceased, which have and shall come to
the hands, knowledge or possession, of the said _______________ or into the
hands or possession of any person or persons, for h__; and the same so made,
do exhibit, or cause to be exhibited into ______________ county court,
within the time prescribed by law, after the date of these presents: And
the same goods, chattels and credits, and all other goods, chattels and
credits of the deceased, at the time of h__ death, or which at any time
hereafter shall come into the hands or possession of the said
__________________ or into the hands or possession of any person or persons
for h__ do well and truly administer according to law; and further do make,
or cause to be made, a true and just account of h__ said administration,
aagreeable to law, after the date of these presents: And all the rest and
residue of the said goods, chattels and credits, which shall be found
remaining upon the said administrat____ account (the same being first
allowed by the Governor and Council, superior or county court) shall deliver
and pay unto such person or persons respectively as the same shall become
due, pursuant to the true intent and meaning of the act in that case made
and provided. And if it shall appear that any will or testament was made by
the said deceased, and the executor or executors therein named do exhibit
the same into court, making request to have it allowed and approved of
accordingly, if the said ___________ above-bounden, being thereunto
required, do render the said letters of administration (approbation of such
testament being first had and made in the said court) then this obligation
to be void, otherwise to remain in full force and virtue.
Jesse Mitchell (Seal)
Wm Jones (Seal)
Signed and sealed,
in presence of
[illegible]		03/17/2009 10:57:42
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Hardiman and Bejamin Poythress ReportBarbara NealNancy, thanks for the report. Can you please let me/us know what specific
info lead to the understanding that your ancestor Benjamin (who the report
mentions was born 1808 in Southampton Co, VA) was son of a Hardiman
Poythress (versus any other Poythress of the time)? Thanks so much.
Bpn		03/23/2009 3:33:28
[POYTHRESS] Hardiman / Hardimon Poythress infoBarbara NealEarlier, I was trying to get the gist of what info leads to an understanding
that Hardiman Poythress was father of the Benjamin Poythress who died in
Petersburg, VA in 1865 (born in 1808 in Southampton Co, VA).

I've plowed (*not* extensively) thru some of our List's Message Archives
searching for info on Hardiman/Hardyman/Hardimon, and have concluded that
apparently there were at least 3 Hardiman/Hardyman/Hardimon/etc Poythress
men:

(1) one whose estate packet I recently posted (Northampton Co, NC in 1796);


(2) one who went down to Georgia & was in Greene County down there after
that sometime or another;

(3) one who married Elizabeth Golder in Prince Geo Co, VA in 1789, & who is
apparently accepted as being the same one whose estate was handled in Nov
1811, in the Prince George Co, VA Court, when Nathaniel Marks, Administrator
of Hardiman Poythress, deceased, was to pay Elizabeth Poythress for benefit
of the [unnamed] infant children of said Hardiman Poythress.

[Notes: That 1811 PG Co record by itself does not give us what this
Elizabeth Poythress' relationship is to the deceased, so while she could
have been Hardiman's widow, we don't know that from what is said here. The
proper legal definition of an "infant" child, is one under legal age -- 21,
I think]

Were there other Hardiman / Hardimon / etc-spelling Poythress men any of you
are aware of?

If the above 3 are all of them (and I'm *not* saying there weren't more
Hardiman / Hardimon Poythress fellows), then we know the first one wasn't
the father, and I would guess that of the remaining 2, the one most likely
to have had a son Benjamin in 1808 would be the 3rd one listed. If he's the
right Hardiman, he would have had Benjamin 19 years after he married (so
around age 40-ish or later) & then died just 3 yrs later.

What puzzles me is the difference in counties mentioned -- Prince Geo Co, VA
for the 3rd Hardiman mentioned above, and Southampton Co, VA for Benjamin.
Seems to me we had a record for a Benjamin in Southampton Co who was
grandson of Rev War soldier Kirby Poythress, thru his son Gideon. But I
know nothing further about that Benjamin & haven't gone searching for that
info today.

If anyone has further enlightenment to shed on the PG Co Hardiman's 1811
administrator's entry re his "infant children" I'd appreciate learning more.
Bpn		03/23/2009 4:55:46
Re: [POYTHRESS] Hardiman, Hardamon, etc. etc.Barbara NealThanks, Maynard.



03/24/2009 4:33:23
[POYTHRESS] Hardiman, Hardamon, etc. etc.John M. PoythressBarb:



Will of Mary Poythress (6 Sep 1854) of Troup County, GA:



"Item the 1st I Will my soul to God who gave it me and my body to its Mother Earth to be
by my Executors

desently [sic] buried and a suitable Tomb Stone placed over my grave and that of my son
John Hardaman."



This "Hardaman" is previously in no record of Troup County (Lagrange, GA, SW of Atlanta)
while the

virtually all others of the family (who became quite wealthy) are widely documented in
court, press, CSA

records, etc. Leaves to my mind at any rate some degree of speculation that he might have
died in childhood

or maybe even childbirth. A sibling was Francis Poythress which suggests the Virginia
origins of father

Joseph who m. Mary King 24 Apr 1814 in Warren County, GA (recorded incorrectly as Upson
County, GA).



Maynard		03/24/2009 5:58:53
[POYTHRESS] Poythress in 1736-1776 VA Gazette databaseBarbara NealThese may not all be new-to-us items, depending on how thorough previous
searches caught things. Pasted at bottom are 4 "Poythress" items from
1763-1776 that I found in searching that spelling of the surname at this
site (URL came from VA Stafford mailing list, which someone had copied to
the VA Southside mailing list). No results were found for spelling
"Poytress" or "Portress" or "Porthress" or "Pothress"

For checking further names/spellings, search the following database,
compiled by Professor Thomas Costa, Professor of History, University of
Virginia's College at Wise:
Virginia Runaways; slave records; servant records; deserter records of
Virginia Counties.
_Search all Records, 1736-1776_
(
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/ot2www-costa?specfile=/web/data/users/costa/costa.o2w
)

= = =
[Poythress slave owner advertising his loss]
Virginia Gazette
(Royle), Williamsburg
November 4, 1763.
RUN away from the subscriber, on Saturday the 29th of October, a Negro
fellow, named DICK, about 24 years of age, 5 feet 7 or 8 inches high,
slender made, of a yellow complexion, and much addicted to liquor; had on
when he went away a blue broadcloth coat, red jacket and blue breeches, and
carried with him a pair of red breeches and two osnabrugs shirts, with
several other things. I believe he is gone to North-Carolina, and from
thence may proceed to South-Carolina, he having relations at both places. He
was bought of one Matthew Davis, in Brunswick, about 12 years ago. Whoever
brings the said Runaway to me, at Flower-de-Hundred, shall have 3 l. [i.e. 3
pounds] reward, if found in Virginia; if in North-Carolina 5 l. and if in
South-Carolina 15 l. Any person who harbours him may depend upon being
prosecuted to the utmost rigour of the law.
JOSHUA POYTHRESS.

= = =
[Poythress advertising loss of indentured servant]
Virginia Gazette
(Purdie & Dixon), Williamsburg ,
June 16, 1774.
Five Pounds Reward. RUN away from the Subscriber, in Prince George, on
Monday the 23d of May, an indented Servant Man named BENJAMIN PARROT, born
in London, 32 Years of Age, five Feet six or seven Inches high, by Trade a
House Carpenter, tolerably well made, dark Complexion, short black curling
Hair, and has a down Look; had on, when he went away, a white Broadcloth
Coat lately turned, a Lead coloured Cloth Waistcoat, white Russia Drill
Breeches darned at both Knees, a white Irish Linen Shirt, a Pair of white
Thread Stockings (one of which is much finer than the other) a Pair of
coarse Shoes with very large Silver plated Buckles, and a very deep brimmed
Felt Hat; he likewise took with him two new Check Shirts, and a Pair of new
Osnabrug Trousers, which he carried in a Virginia Cloth Wallet, marked S M.
The above Servant came in with Captain Leitch, of the Elizabeth, about two
Months ago. Whoever secures the said Servant, so that I get him again, shall
have 3 l. [i.e. 3 pounds] or if delivered to me at Flower de Hundred, the
above Reward.
JOSHUA POYTHRESS, Junior.

= = =
[Poythress allegedly took a slave]
Virginia Gazette
(Purdie & Dixon), Williamsburg ,
July 9, 1772.
TAKEN away, on the 28th of May last, from Northumberland Courthouse, by
one Robert Poythress, from the County of Amelia, a Negro Slave named DICK,
belonging to the Subscriber; he is a black Fellow, about twenty Years of
Age, five Feet seven Inches high, very likely and sensible, has been brought
up in the House as a Waiter, is very skilful in the Care of Horses, and a
good Rider. He is well known by many Gentlemen and in all the Towns in
Virginia, as he always waited on me whenever I went from home, and is also
known by some in Carolina, but is much grown since he was there. The said
Robert Poythress pretends that he bought him; but his not having either a
Bill of Sale or a Receipt for the Money, sufficiently proves it to be false.
This is to forewarn all Persons from purchasing or entertaining him, as they
may expect to have the Law put in Execution to the utmost Extent. I do
likewise offer a Reward of TEN POUNDS to any Person that brings the said
Slave to me, in Lancaster, if taken in this Colony, and TWENTY POUNDS if out
thereof.
JOHN WORMELEY.

= = =
[Poythress Rev War officer allegedly enlisted a servant]
Virginia Gazette
(Purdie), Williamsburg ,
December 6, 1776.
PRINCE GEORGE, Nov. 23, 1776. CONTRARY to my desire, and express order,
my servant man JAMES BULLOCK enlisted with mr. Robert Poythress, an officer,
he says, under captain Scott of the Georgia service; upon which I demanded
my servant of the said Poythress, without effect. This is therefore to
request of capt. Scott to have my said servant returned to me without delay
or farther expense, or I shall certainly prosecute him according to law.
JAMES ANDERSON.		03/27/2009 7:56:00
[POYTHRESS] Use of recognized families surnames in naming kidsBarbara NealI appreciate this good reminder from one of our participants, which I'm
posting here for all of us to keep in mind. Hard to know if there is
actually a connection to the families whose names were used.

She wrote me that, even as recently as the 1900s, her grandmother had named
one of her sons with the middle name "Peebles" (commenting that the Peebles
family is very prominent in Brunswick Co, VA), and the first name
"Sterling."
Bpn		03/27/2009 8:23:03
[POYTHRESS] Odam Poythress Jr estate file Northampton Co, NC - 3 Jun 1817 bond dateBarbara Neal>From the Loose Estate Records of Northampton Co, NC, FHL film 2,363,527 some
of the documents from the first estate file mentioned below were commingled
in the second file mentioned (which file's info I'll post as a separate
message]:

(1) the file of the "Jr" or the younger, labeled in each frame when the
Loose Estate Records were filmed at the NC Dept of Archives & History on 25
Feb 2003, with a typed slip indicating it was the estate of "Poytress, Odam
1817" -- Odam Poytress Jr (or Portress or Porties), who died before 3 Jun
1817 and whose Administrator was Balaam Mangram or Mangum; and

(2) the file of the "Sr" or the elder, labeled in each frame when the Loose
Estate Records were filmed with a typed slip indicating it was the estate of
"Portress, Odom 1818" [sic] -- Odam Portress Senr (or Poytress or Portess or
Portis), who died before 4 Dec 1817 and whose Administrator was John
Sandefur.

The commingling of the documents for these Loose Estate Records apparently
happened because papers were filed with less than great care to examine
which Administrator was involved. Spelling on various documents in both
files varied widely, both within the file, and even within individual
documents, so some documents were lumped into a Porthress folder and some
into a Poytress folder.

I have successfully separated the two estate files thanks to the names of
the Administrators handling them.

I find it interesting that on the June 1817 Administrator's Bond for the
estate of Odam Jr, one of the three men posting bond for Administrator
Balaam Mangram or Mangum, is John Sandefur, who 6 months later becomes the
Administrator for the estate of Odam Sr.

An entry in Northampton Co, NC Court Minutes [FHL film 275,854 covers
1792-1821], the 3rd item of which covers Minutes for 1817-1821, p.7, dated 4
March 1817, [after the death of Odam Jr], "Ordered that a notice issue vs
John Portress the next of kin to Odem Portress junr dec'd to show cause at
next [quarterly] Term why administration on the estate of the said Odam
should not be granted to the greatest Creditor &c." Examination of entries
at the next quarterly Term of the Court found no entry showing such cause.

So from that entry in the Court Minutes, we can infer that Odam Jr owed
Balaam Mangram or Mangum more than he owed anyone else. The relationship
between Odam Jr and his "next of kin John Portress" was not further
clarified. On the Account Sales document for the items in Odam Jr's estate,
we see that John Portress purchased a number of items, with the notation
"Bonded" or "Bond" indicates John would be paying the Administrator later
for all those items.

Below are the Northampton Co, NC Loose Estate File documents pertaining to
Odam Poythress Jr, whose surname is not spelled that way in any of these
documents, though it is spelled in a variety of ways -- Portress,
Poytress, Porties. Square brackets contain my notes:
= = =
= = =
Frames 1667-1668
- Frame 1668 is back of document:
= =
Admn bond
Balaam Mangram
on
Odam Portress Jr's estate
June 1817
= =
- Frame 1667 is front of the Administrator's Bond for Odam Poytress Jr,
using a pre-printed form, with the blanks filled in by pen, resulting in the
document reading as follows:
= =
Know all men by these presents, That we Balaam Mangram, Henry Boon &
John Sandefur are held and firmly bound unto John M Benford, Esquire, the
Chairman of the County Court of No'ampton for the time being and his
successors in office, in the just and full sum of two hundred pounds for the
true payment of which we bind ourselves, our heirs, executors and
administrators, jointly, severally and firmly: sealed with our seals and
dated this 3'd day of June A.D. 1817
The condition of the above obligation is such that if the above bounden
Balaam Mangram Administrator of all and singular the goods and chattels,
rights and credits of Odam Poytress jr deceased, do make or cause to be made
a true and perfect inventory of all and singular the goods and chattels,
rights and credits of the said deceased, which have and shall come to the
hands, possession or knowledge of the said Balaam Mangram or into the hands
or possession of any person, or persons, for him and the same so made, do
exhibit, or cause to be exhibited to the County Court, where orders for
administration passed within ninety days after the date of these presents:
and the same goods, chattels and credits, and all other the goods, chattels,
and credits of the said deceased at the time of his death, or which at any
time after shall come to the hands or possession of the said Balaam Mangram
or into the hands or possession of any person or persons for him, do well
and truly administer according to law. And further do make or cause to be
made a true and just account of his said administration within two years
after the date of these presents: and all the rest and residue of the said
goods, chattels and credits, which shall be found remaining upon the said
Administrator's account, the same being first examined and allowed by the
court of the County Court, shall deliver and pay to such person or persons
respectively as the same shall be due unto, pursuant to the true intent and
meaning of the acts of the General Assembly in such cases made and
provided. And if it shall appear that any last will and testament was made
by the deceased, and the Executor or Executors therein named do exhibit the
same into Court, making request to have it allowed and approved
accordingly, if the said Balaam Mangram above named being thereunto
required, do render and deliver the said Letters of Administration,
approbation of such testament being first had and made in the said Court;
then this obligation to be void and of no effect, or else to remain in full
force and virtue.
Balaam Mangum (Seal)
John Sandefur (Seal)
Henry Boon (Seal)
Signed, sealed and delivered
in presence of
Tom Hughes
= = =
= = =
Frames 639-640 give the inventory for the estate of Odam Jr:
- Frame 639 is back of document:
Inventory Odam
Portress's Estate
March Ct 1818
Recorded page 165
Tom Hughes D.C.
= =
- Frame 640 is front of the Inventory, which is a short document,
completely handwritten. Note that I am listing the items in column form,
rather than the way so many of these items are written straight across the
page, consecutively, with no comma or other punctuation between the items.
In the original, the last 5 lines are indeed written in a column on the left
side of the page, beginning even with Balaam Mangram's signature, which
indicates to me that perhaps he had initially forgotten to include the items
on those 5 lines.
= =
An Inventory of the estate Odam Porties Jr dec'd:
one mare
1 chist [chest]
1 gun
1 saddle
2 books
tools for slay makin [i.e. sleigh-making]
1 plain [i.e. woodworking plane]
A parcel of bottals [bottles]
1 shaving box
1 great coat
2 hats
2 cloase -coats [clothes - "coats" is written above the word "cloase,"
apparently for clarification
3 wescoats [waistcoats]
3 shirts
4 pare of breeches
1 pare of stockens
1 pare of shoes [the "h" had initially been left out & was added above the
"o"]
2 pocket books
1 pocket hankachief
1 crevatt
1 knife
1 slate
1 siphering book
1 Snuf Box
1 Nutmeg Grater
2 Baskets
1 Comb
1 Wien Glas [wine glass]
[signed by] Balaam Mangum
= = =
= = =
Frames 645-647 give the accounting of the sale of items from the estate of
Odam Jr:
= =
- Frame 646 is the wrapper for the sale document, and showing dimly from
ink that has slightly bled through the paper, one can see part of the top of
the page shown on frame 647. Frame 645, wrapper, reads:
= =
Sales of Odam Portress
Jr. estate
March Ct 1818
Recorded page 176
Tom Hughes D.C.
= =
- Frame 647 is the first of two page listing the sales. Both pages are
completely handwritten, in columns across the page, though here for clarity
in a text format I am not using the columns. No total is made of the dollar
and cents columns. In the original a specific mark is made in the dollar
column for those items that sold for less than one dollar, which mark
resembles a quotation or ditto mark, though it is obvious from the format
that this mark was not intended as a ditto. Within the columns whenever
something is a repeat from the line above, the entire word "Ditto" is
spelled out, or it is abbreviated as "Do." Half-cents are shown below as
decimals rather than as fractions, as in the original; thus "$.0625" is six
and one-quarter cents. Most of the entries that were for ten cents only had
a "1" in that column and a blank space where the "0" should be; I'm adding
the "0" so the amounts are more clear here. Interesting to note that the
Great coat [an overcoat] sold for more than twice what the saddle sold for.
Frame 647 reads:
= =
Acct Sale of the Estate of Odam Porties jr dec'd
- 1 Chist To Balaam Mangum $1.10
- 1 Gun To John Portress Bonded $1.30
- 1 Saddle To Balaam Mangum $3.00
- 2 Books To Ditto Do $-.125
- Tooles for Slaymakeing To John Portress Bond $.10
- 1 plain To Balaam Mangum $.10
- One [written over what had earlier said "A parcel of" Bottles To James
T. Sykes $.17
- 1 X Shaveing Box paid ["To" is crossed out with another "X" maybe because
the purchaser had paid?] Robert
Pare [or Pane?] paid $.25 [another "X" crossed out the $.25]
- 1 Great coat To James T. Sykes $6.26
- 1 hat To Balaam Mangum $.60
- 1 Ditto To Do Do $.77
- 1 close coat To James T. Sykes $3.00
- 1 Ditto To Do Do $1.25
- 3 Westcoats To John Portress Bond $1.65
- 1 [the "1" is written over some other number earlier, apparently "3"]
Shirts To Do Do Bond $.80
- 1 Bottle To James T. Sykes $.10
- 5 Ditto To Do Do $.20
- 1 Shirt To Do Do $.55
- 1 Ditto To Do Do $.82
- 1 pare of panterloones [Note: these were called "breeches" on the
Inventory] To Do Do $.55
- 1 Ditto To Do Do $.55
- 1 Ditto & Draws To John Portress Bond $1.25
- 1 Ditto To Do Do Bond $1.05
- 1 pare of Stockings To James T. Sykes $.50
- 1 pare of socks To John Portress bond $.0625
- 1 Crevat To Do Do Bond $.0625
- 1 Handkerchief To Do Do Bond $.125
- 7 Slate pensels To Balaam Mangum $.0625
- 1 Nutmeg Gratter To James T. Sykes $.0625
=
[Frame 645 continues the list and is signed at the bottom by Balaam Mangum]
- 1 Pocket [ink smear causing an illegible word that ends "rb"] To James
Walker $.0625
- 1 pare of suspenders To John Portress Bond $.0625
- 1 Book & Rule To Balaam Mangum $.18
- 1 pare of Shoes To James T. Sykes $.38
- 1 Wine Glass To [Walker's name has been written over to show:] Balaam
Mangum $.09
- 2 Baskets To Do Do $.14
- 1 Snuff Box To Patsey Portress $.0625
- 1 pocket Book To John Portress Bond $.25
- 1 Ditto To Do Do Bond $.0625
- 1 Sorrel Mare To Henry Peters Bonded $33.50
- 1 Pocket Knife To Balaam Mangum $.25
- 1 Slate To John Portress $.0625
[signed] Balaam Mangum
[Note: at the bottom of this sheet, written upside down from all the above,
as if the sheet may have earlier been used for this notation at what would
have then been the top of a blank sheet, is the following with the second
word only partly legible due to a smear of ink, and the last word either
smeared or with a line through it. This notation reads:]
Williamson Gl[ovse?] his [Nam?]		04/04/2009 12:37:50
[POYTHRESS] Odam Poythress Senr estate file Northampton Co, NC - 4 Dec 1817 bond dateBarbara Neal>From the Loose Estate Records of Northampton Co, NC, FHL film 2,363,527 some
of the documents from the first estate file mentioned below were commingled
in the second file mentioned:

(1) the file of the "Jr" or the younger, labeled in each frame when the
Loose Estate Records were filmed at the NC Dept of Archives & History on 25
Feb 2003, with a typed slip indicating it was the estate of "Poytress, Odam
1817" -- Odam Poytress Jr (or Portress or Porties), who died before 3 Jun
1817 and whose Administrator was Balaam Mangram or Mangum; and

(2) the file of the "Sr" or the elder, labeled in each frame when the Loose
Estate Records were filmed with a typed slip indicating it was the estate of
"Portress, Odom 1818" [sic] -- Odam Portress Senr (or Poytress or Portess or
Portis), who died before 4 Dec 1817 and whose Administrator was John
Sandefur.

The commingling of the documents for these Loose Estate Records apparently
happened because papers were filed with less than great care to examine
which Administrator was involved. Spelling on various documents in both
files varied widely, both within the file, and even within individual
documents, so some documents were lumped into a Porthress folder and some
into a Poytress folder.

I have successfully separated the two estate files thanks to the names of
the Administrators handling them.

I find it interesting that on the June 1817 Administrator's Bond for the
estate of Odam Jr, one of the three men posting bond for Administrator
Balaam Mangram or Mangum, is John Sandefur, who 6 months later becomes the
Administrator for the estate of Odam Sr.

I note that I was able to glean some info about some of the men whose names
appear in this estate file when I was scanning some of the Northampton Co,
NC Court Minutes of 1792-1821 [FHL film 275,854]: three of the taxable
districts in the county at part of that time [called by the names of the
heads of the militia] were Capt Sandefur's District, Capt Vincent's
District, and Capt Sykes District; Solomon K Vollintine's name was
mentioned in the Minutes as being the Coroner of the County. "James T
Sykes, Esq" and "Hardy Cobb" were two of the Justices of the Court during
part of that time.

Below are the Northampton Co, NC Loose Estate File documents pertaining to
Odam Poythress Sr, whose surname is not spelled that way in any of these
documents, though it is spelled in a variety of ways. Square brackets
contain my notes:
= = =
= = =
Frames 637-638 are the Administrator Bond:
- Frame 638 is back of document:
Admn bond
John Sandefur
on
Odam Portress's Senr
Estate
Decem Court 1817
= =
- Frame 637 is front of the Administrator's Bond for Odam Portress Senr,
using a pre-printed form, with the blanks filled in by pen, resulting in the
document reading as follows.
= =
Know all men by these presents, That we John Sandefur, Solomon K
Vollintine & James Vincent are held and firmly bound unto John M Benford,
Esquire, the Chairman of the County Court of No'ampton for the time being
and his successors in office, in the just and full sum of one thousand
pounds for the true payment of which we bind ourselves, our heirs, executors
and administrators, jointly, severally and firmly: sealed with our seals
and dated this 4 day of Decr A.D. 1817
The condition of the above obligation is such that if the above bounden
John Sandefur Administrator of all and singular the goods and chattels,
rights and credits of Odam Portress Senr deceased, do make or cause to be
made a true and perfect inventory of all and singular the goods and
chattels, rights and credits of the said deceased, which have and shall come
to the hands, possession or knowledge of the said John Sandefur or into the
hands or possession of any person, or persons, for him and the same so made,
do exhibit, or cause to be exhibited to the County Court, where orders for
administration passed within ninety days after the date of these presents:
and the same goods, chattels and credits, and all other the goods, chattels,
and credits of the said deceased at the time of his death, or which at any
time after shall come to the hands or possession of the said John Sandefur
or into the hands or possession of any person or persons for him, do well
and truly administer according to law. And further do make or cause to be
made a true and just account of his said administration within two years
after the date of these presents: and all the rest and residue of the said
goods, chattels and credits, which shall be found remaining upon the said
Administrator's account, the same being first examined and allowed by the
court of the County Court, shall deliver and pay to such person or persons
respectively as the same shall be due unto, pursuant to the true intent and
meaning of the acts of the General Assembly in such cases made and
provided. And if it shall appear that any last will and testament was made
by the deceased, and the Executor or Executors therein named do exhibit the
same into Court, making request to have it allowed and approved
accordingly, if the said John Sandefur above named being thereunto
required, do render and deliver the said Letters of Administration,
approbation of such testament being first had and made in the said Court;
then this obligation to be void and of no effect, or else to remain in full
force and virtue.
John Sandefur (Seal)
Sol'n F. Vollintine (Seal)
James Vincent (Seal)
Signed, sealed and delivered
in presence of
Tom Hughes
= = =
= = =
Frames 641-642 are the Account of Sales:
- Frame 641 is back of the document, reading:
Account of Sales
of the Estate of
Odum Poytress d'd
by
John Sandefur ad'r
December Court
1819
Recorded page 250 [or maybe 258?]
[on another fold of this back of the document is the notation that:]
Ought to be
Return'd Oath
= =
- Frame 642 is front of document, which is entirely handwritten, reading as
follows. Note at the top of the right side of the sheet are the
abbreviations for dollars & cents "$ cs" but I will clarify each amount by
using the dollar sign on every entry since columns don't work well in text
format. The fractional half-cent items (such as the one for 37 and a half
cents) are shown in decimal format (as .375)
A Acount of Sale of The [overwriting shows another word, perhaps "Other"
or a word of similar length] Property of
Odum Portress Dec'd made the 7th Dec 1817
On a credit of Six months -
1 Cow To James T. Sykes $9.02
1 Case & Bottles To John Sandefur Se'r $1.75
1 Heifer To James T. Sykes $3.00
1 Sow & Pigs To James Love $7.25
1 Jug To John Sandefur Ju'r $.50
1 Basket To William Sandefur $.375
1 Heifer To James T. Sykes $4.125
5 Hogs To John Sandefur Se'r $13.00
4 Sheep To Samuel Wornum $6.00
1 pare Sheep Shers [shears] Joshua Morgan $.25
1 Cow To John Portress $7.14
1 Bed To Do [ditto - so again John Portress] $11.25
1 Nag To do [ditto - so again John Portress] $5.03
[This totals $68.690]
= = =
= = =
Frames 643-644 are an Account Current:
- Frame 643 is the back of the document, reading as follows:
- [across the top of the back, in one of its folded segments:]
Northamptn December Court to 1819 -
This accounts current was returned into Court by the Commissioners who made
it, & was Ordered to be Recorded-
Teste James C.J. Carridon[?] C.C.C.
- [perpendicular to the above, on another of its folded segments:]
Odom Poytress
acct Cur.
By
John Sandefur ad'r
December Court 1819
Recorded page 83
- [perpendicular to that, in another of its folded segments:]
Account current
of the Estate
of Odum Portess
By John Sandefer
= =
- Frame 644, the front side of the Account Current sheet, is a confusing
handwritten sheet which is NOT transcribed here. Its heading reads "The
Estate of Odum Portis Srn. Dec'd In a/c with John Sandefur"
This sheet is set up with lined columns for accounting entries many of
which are interest [earned or due?]. On the left of the sheet are items for
the year ending December 1818, and on the right of the sheet are items for
the year ending December 1817. There was an examination noted, that was
conducted for the Court by examining Justices Hardy Cobb and James T.
Sykes. Their examination came up with an amount that is due the Estate by
the Administrator, of $13.4825.
The 30 Dec 1817 entry showed that the amount of sale of estate items was
$68.69 which amount matches up to the total of the above Account of Sales.
The only name mentioned in the sheet's various entries, other than John
Sandefur [who was likely the deceased's greatest creditor as well as its
Administrator], was in the following entry:
1818 Dec 11 Pd John Hardings Est $24.00		04/04/2009 12:43:34
[POYTHRESS] Odam Poythress Jr & SrBarbara NealIt seems that Odam Sr may not have been father of Odam Jr, since if he were,
then Odam Sr would probably have been Odam Jr's closest relative, rather
than a "John Poythress" being indicated in Northampton Co, NC Court Minutes
[FHL film 275,854; in the 3rd item portion of film covering Minutes of
1817-1821, on p.7] as the closest relative of Odam Jr.

We know there were both an Odam Jr and an Odam Sr in Northampton Co, NC,
with the "Jr" and "Sr" likely only indicating which was younger and which
was older. We have no clear indication of the father of either of them.

>From the Administrator Bonds on their two estates being bound in June of
1817 (for Jr) and Dec of 1817 (for Sr), we assume they both died in 1817.		04/04/2009 12:48:32
[POYTHRESS] Methodist preacher Francis PoythressBarbara NealI have received some material from the Western NC United Methodist
Conference, Archives & History section, regarding the early Methodist
preacher Francis Poythress, whose birth family has been a mystery to us for
a long time, though we have previously seen in other Methodist material that
he came from a wealthy Virginia family.

While his father is still a mystery, a bit of further info we didn't know
before may eventually lead us to more:

This following quote is from "Methodism in Western North Carolina" by Elmer
T. Clark (who was b.1886), which volume was published in 1966 by the Western
North Carolina Conference, Methodist Church:
"At the fourth conference in America, held at Baltimore in May 1776,
Francis Poythress was admitted on trial and appointed with two others to the
Carolina Circuit. He was a native of Virginia and inherited a large estate
from his father; he was also the son-in-law of Madam William Russell,
sister of Patrick Henry, and a famous Methodist who lived at Saltville,
Virginia, in the Holston country."

[Bpn note: We must keep in mind that in those days the term "son-in-law"
could refer to a step-son, rather than the husband of one's daughter. I
followed up with the archivist asking for further info, since I had never
before seen mention of Francis Poythress being "son-in-law" of anyone. She
responded that Clark was an excellent researcher, and said she could not
answer where Elmer Clark got his info; he "researched in many places and in
information which is not available to us here." At Google Map you can
locate Saltville, VA, which is over in the southwest part of VA, west of
!-81 & immediately south of the Clinch Mountain State Wildlife Area. As you
read further, keep in mind Clark doesn't indicate at what stage of Francis
Poythress' life when his name became hooked up with Madam William Russell.]

Clark continues: "He traveled on circuits in North Carolina and Virginia
until 1786, when he was appointed Elder over the Brunswick, Sussex, and
Amelia Circuits, and was on large Districts until 1797, when illness forced
him to take the supernumerary relation. He was held in high esteem by
Asbury and of him it was said that 'Poythress is to the Southwest what Jesse
Lee was to New England -- an apostle.' In 1796 in the absence of Asbury he
presided over the Conference held at Masterson's Station near Lexington,
Kentucky, and at other Conferences also.
"In 1800 Poythress returned to North Carolina and was listed among the
Elders in the Minutes. He was appointed Presiding Elder over a large
district of fifteen circuits which extended from Asheville and Franklin to
Cape Hatteras and from Morganton to the Virginia line, covering practically
the whole of the State. In 1779 he was one of the eighteen preachers who
attended the Conference at Broken Back Church in Virginia where a permanent
break between the North and the South over the ordinances ws averted by the
appeal and prayers of Asbury. At the Christmas Conference in Baltimore in
1784-1785 he was appointed to Baltimore with Jonathan Forrest.."

[Bpn note: Clark then skips from 1784-1785, to the 15 Oct 1810 visit of
Asbury to Poythress at the home of Poythress' sister, who Clark does not
name, but who we know from earlier research was Mrs. Susannah Pryor of
Jessamine Co, KY. Clark mentions she lived "twelve miles from Lexington,
Kentucky..." and quotes from Asbury's writings about Poythress having become
insane, which we already knew, and he ends by saying that Poythress "died
there soon thereafter" [for which info Clark cites Grissom's 1905 volume on
"Methodism in North Carolina"

Further info I had not seen before gives us *earlier* info on Francis
Poythress than Clark's info above. This was in Volume 1 of R.N. Price's
"Holston Methodism From Its Origin to the Present Time" which series of
volumes was published in Nashville, TN 1903-1914. Price mentions part that
we already knew, that Francis Poythress was a Virginian by birth, and
belonged to a family of fortune, and that in his youth he was wild and
dissipated, but through the influence of a pious and intelligent lady he was
led to his conversion.

However in addition, Price says that Francis Poythress was converted in
1772, one year before the first Annual Conference in America. That is
earlier than I had previously realized. Price indicates Francis Poythress
was the first "received into the itinerancy" in the Holston country. I note
that the Holston country could well include Saltville, VA, where Madam
William Russell lived, though I have trouble following the correct river's
line to be sure I'm still following the Holston River. At any rate Holston
country likely includes the area currently in far southwest Virginia and far
northeast Tennessee, since the South Fork of the Holston River is just east
of Abingdon, VA, and the North Fork of it is just west of Abingdon, flowing
past Kingsport, TN, and Knoxville, TN.

Price notes other more-specific dates & a farther geographic range for
Francis than I had previously seen, saying that "He began his travels in
1775, under the authority of the Quarterly Conference of the Brunswick
Circuit; and at a Conference which met in Baltimore May 21, 1776, he was
admitted on trial into the traveling connection, and died in 1818 or about
that time. IN North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, and Kentucky he became a
representative man in the work of saving souls and edifying the body of
Christ. In 1783 he proclaimed the gospel on the waters of the
Youghiogheny."

I found the Youghiogheny, or Yough River for short, is a tributary of the
Monongahela River, and is approximately 12 miles long. A small Wikipedia
map shows the Youghiogheny River begins just inside West VA from that far
left portion of Maryland, just above Maryland's E-W border at the southern
edge of that far west border of Maryland. Then it flows almost due north,
and then due northwest, terminating at the Monongahela River not far south
of Pittsburgh, PA.

Now, back to Clark's mention of Francis Poythress being "son-in-law" of
Madam William Russell, sister of Patrick Henry, saying she was a famous
Methodist who lived at Saltville, VA, in the Holston country. By searching
on the web, thanks to Patrick Henry being such a famous person, I found info
to identify her, compiled below. However, even with all this info about
"Madam William Russell" I still have trouble figuring out exactly how
Clark's statement can fit in, that Francis Poythress was her "son-in-law."

Thanks to Google, I found at Genealogy.com a family tree for Patrick Henry,
whose parents are shown as John Henry (died 1773) & Sarah Winston
(1709-1784; she was a descendant of Isaac Winston). By fiddling a bit at
that site, one learns this couple had 12 children, and that their famous son
Patrick Henry was born 29 May 1736 at Studley Plantation in Hanover Co, VA.
He had 7 sisters (some sites say that included half-sisters; some other
sites say he had 9 sisters).

With further searching at RootsWeb, I found that the youngest of Patrick
Henry's sisters/half-sisters, Elizabeth "Betsy" (b. Hanover Co, VA 10 Jul
1749; d. 1825 at age 75), was the one who became Madam William Russell.

Of course I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the following info, some of
which appears in many places on the web, but I can steer you to one of the
more impressive websites -- I say impressive because it carefully links its
sources:
"My Southern Family" at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mysouthernfamily/myff/d0010/g0000088.html

Patrick Henry's sister Elizabeth Henry married 1st: on 2 Apr 1776 at
Studley Plantation in Hanover Co, VA, the Revolutionary War General William
Campbell (b. 1745, in Augusta Co., Va; I saw no earlier marriage mentioned
for him), the hero of King's Mountain, who was killed Sept. 1781. By him
she had a daughter, Sarah Buchanan Campbell, who later married Francis Smith
Preston & had descendants.

Then in 1783 Patrick Henry's sister Elizabeth nee Henry Campbell, married
2nd: (becoming the 2nd wife of) Revolutionary War General William Russell
II (b.1735, Culpeper Co. VA; resided in Culpeper Co. and Shenandoah, and
1770 in Washington Co. VA\TN; d. 14 Jan 1793, Shenandoah, VA). Gen Wm
Russell had earlier married Tabitha Adams in about 1755, and that first
marriage of his lists 12 children, which included 6 daughters, 2 of whom I
saw no marriage for, and 4 of whom married men of the following 4 surnames:
Bowen; Campbell; Wilson; and Saunders.

Elizabeth nee Henry Russell had 4 children by Wm Russell:
- Henry Winston Russell;
- Elizabeth Henry Russell [the site where I looked showed for her that she
was b. b: 15 Sep 1785 d: 10 Oct 1804 and married Francis Smith]
- Patrick Henry Russell; and
- Jane Robertson Russell [the site where I looked showed for her that she
was b. 31 May 1788 + William Patton Thompson

Elizabeth nee Henry Russell survived Gen. Wm Russell by more than thirty
years, and she was said to have had some historical importance in the early
history of the Methodist Church. From that statement, I wonder whether she
might have been the one who got Francis Poythress to straighten up his act;)

Elizabeth nee Henry Russell married 3rd: General William Burrell (b. 1758;
d. July 3, 1825, Fayette Co., Ky) As I understand it, they had no children
[see Virginia, Prominent Families, Vol II; Chapter XII, which includes the
Henry family among others]		04/05/2009 2:05:22
Re: [POYTHRESS] Methodist preacher Francis PoythressBarbara NealOne further bit of specfic info could lead someone searching old
newspapers/publications to a contemporary "Memorial" or obituary for early
Methodist preacher Francis Poythress, if anyone has an opportunity to search
for one. Perhaps as flowery as some of those published Memorials were back
then, we might get the name of his father from such an item.

N.B. Harmon's 1974 "Encyclopedia of World Methodism" states that he was
"born in Virginia in 1732" (specfically that year; not "about" that year)
and that he died "about 1818" in Jessamine Co, KY, and that he established
Methodism in Kentucky and worked to "sustain Bethel Academy" (for which no
specific location is given).		04/05/2009 3:33:59
Re: [POYTHRESS] Methodist preacher Francis PoythressSandyBarbara,
Here you go - re Bethel Academy:

http://www.worldtimzone.com/asbury/marker/

-Sandy


On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

>
> N.B. Harmon's 1974 "Encyclopedia of World Methodism" states that he was
> "born in Virginia in 1732" (specfically that year; not "about" that year)
> and that he died "about 1818" in Jessamine Co, KY, and that he established
> Methodism in Kentucky and worked to "sustain Bethel Academy" (for which no
> specific location is given).
>
>		04/06/2009 1:13:31
Re: [POYTHRESS] Methodist preacher Francis PoythressSandyBarbara,

This has more pics:http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM2A56

I suspect the most likely source for more on Francis' family (if such
exists) would be the Asbury Theological Seminary library in Wilmore, KY.
http://www.asburyseminary.edu/
http://www.asburyseminary.edu/campuses/kentucky/

Also, Google Books has scanned, "A History of Jessamine County, Kentucky,"
by Bennett Henderson Young, which has a good bit about Bethel Academy and
several references to Francis Poythress, including....
(p 171):
"He belonged to an old and distinguished family of Virginia. He sought the
instructions of a minister of the church of England, and in 1773 he was led
to the Saviour and connected himself with the Methodist church."

The 1798 act by the KY General Assembly establishing the academy &
incorporating the trustees lists them as Rev. Francis Poythress, John
Knobler, Nathaniel Harris, John Metcalf, Barnabas McHenry, James Crutcher,
James Hord and Richard Masterson.

There are numerous references to him and his part in founding the academy,
including this (p 172):
"A man of some scholarship, he was easily enlisted in the work of building
Bethel Academy, in which he was not altogether successful and was unjustly
censured. His health failed and his mind gave way. He removed from Kentucky
afterwards to North Carolina. He never entirely recovered either his spirits
or his health or his energy. He returned to Kentucky in 1801, but no work
was assigned to him. He made his home in Nicholasville. In 1810 Bishop
Asbury saw him and was deeply distressed at his condition."

There is more about the academy and some more about Poythress, but nothing
naming his specific family.

-Sandy



On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Sandy wrote:

> Barbara,
> Here you go - re Bethel Academy:
>
> http://www.worldtimzone.com/asbury/marker/
>
> -Sandy
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:
>
>>
>> N.B. Harmon's 1974 "Encyclopedia of World Methodism" states that he was
>> "born in Virginia in 1732" (specfically that year; not "about" that year)
>> and that he died "about 1818" in Jessamine Co, KY, and that he established
>> Methodism in Kentucky and worked to "sustain Bethel Academy" (for which
>> no
>> specific location is given).
>>
>>		04/06/2009 1:50:41
[POYTHRESS] Francis Poythress preacher more ideasBarbara NealThanks, Sandy, for hunting down additional citations & for brainstorming
with me.

I've checked the Bristol Parish Register; no Francis Poythress was baptized
there consistent with a 1732 birth (for the later preacher), and no Susannah
Poythress either. Also checked for any Susannah Poythress marriage to a
Prior or Pryor, but no luck.

I think Bath Parish was formed around 1742, so even if I could locate an
existing Register for its early baptisms, I suspect it would not include
preacher Francis.

Brunswick Co, VA's St Andrews Parish did exist in 1732, but I've seen no
indication that any Register for it goes back that far. Existing are
microfilms of original records of their Vestry book, 1732-1798, which were
transcribed by William Lindsay Hopkins; his volume includes no Francis
Poythress. I feel sure if a St Andrews Parish Register existed back to
1732, he would have included it in his volume "Bath Parish register (births,
deaths & marriages) 1827-1897 of Dinwiddie County, Virginia and St. Andrews
Parish vestry book 1732-1797 of Brunswick County, Virginia."		04/06/2009 7:28:04
Re: [POYTHRESS] Francis Poythress preacher more ideasSandyBarbara,
Can't remember if you already had Susannah's husband's info, but this comes
from:
http://www.tnpryors.com/states_census/ky_e-l.htm

*1800 Tax List Jessamine Co., KY*
Susannah *PRIOR* (Susannah Poythress Pryor sister of Francis Poythress who
is mentioned in the book History of Methodism in Tennessee by John B.
McFerrin, DD, published 1888. Researchers state Luke Pryor, son of Col.
Samuel Pryor and Prudence Thornton married Susan Poythress)

*1810 Census Jessamine Co., KY*
Susanna *PRIAR* 00111 - 00102 (one male and two females over 45 years.
Susannah Pryor died Sat., Jan. 25, 1817 in Jessamine Co., aged almost 70
years per "The Register of the Kentucky Historical Society" - Page 72)

-Sandy


On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Thanks, Sandy, for hunting down additional citations & for brainstorming
> with me.
>
> I've checked the Bristol Parish Register; no Francis Poythress was baptized
> there consistent with a 1732 birth (for the later preacher), and no
> Susannah
> Poythress either. Also checked for any Susannah Poythress marriage to a
> Prior or Pryor, but no luck.
>
> I think Bath Parish was formed around 1742, so even if I could locate an
> existing Register for its early baptisms, I suspect it would not include
> preacher Francis.
>
> Brunswick Co, VA's St Andrews Parish did exist in 1732, but I've seen no
> indication that any Register for it goes back that far. Existing are
> microfilms of original records of their Vestry book, 1732-1798, which were
> transcribed by William Lindsay Hopkins; his volume includes no Francis
> Poythress. I feel sure if a St Andrews Parish Register existed back to
> 1732, he would have included it in his volume "Bath Parish register
> (births,
> deaths & marriages) 1827-1897 of Dinwiddie County, Virginia and St. Andrews
> Parish vestry book 1732-1797 of Brunswick County, Virginia."
>
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>		04/06/2009 9:33:09
Re: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress preacherLou PooleJust to make things confusing... I think you will find that
"Penniston" is an interchangeable spelling with "Pennington." I have
read somewhere that "Penniston"/"Pennistone" was the older spelling of
the family's name used in England, and sometimes in Virginia, but that
Pennington is the more usual spelling in southern VA. IF - big "if"
and it needs to be confirmed - they are indeed one and the same, then
the Pennington family was a large one with huge footprints in early
Surry (and even Isle of Wight) County, and as lands began to open in
the west they migrated to Prince George, Brunswick, Sussex and
Southampton counties, and down into NC - in other words, in all the
places you would expect to find Poythresses. So I'd not be surprised
in the least that there was a "Penniston"/"Pennington" - Poythress
marriage, but trying to discover the name of her husband is going to
be a major challenge, should anyone have thoughts of attempting it.

I am in touch with a lady who is not a Poythress subscriber, but is
very interested in the Poythress, Wall, and other related families who
lived along the VA-NC line. She lives in Northampton Co., NC, and
only recently was asking me about Rev. Francis Poythress. It seems
she ran into some reference that shows he was active in Northampton
County for a while, with Rev. Asbury. I've been forwarding to her the
messages on the subject in the last few days in the hope that they
might help her (and us) to find something more.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Neal
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 6:15 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress
preacher

Thanks for the additional info on preacher Francis Poythress' sister
Susannah's marriage & census sightings from the "TN PRYORs" website,
Sandy.
I wish it was a website giving more than just Pryor names. When I
have a
chance to look at all the names in the 1800 & 1810 Jessamine Co, KY
census,
I'll see if Francis' other sister was there, too.

I'm not clear from our Message Archives what source there is for
knowing
that Elizabeth Poythress Penniston was a sister to preacher Francis
Poythress and Susannah Poythress Pryor -- perhaps the same book
mentioned in
that "TN PRYORs" website excerpt that gave info about Susannah Pryor
(History of Methodism in Tennessee by John B. McFerrin, DD, published
1888)

04/07/2009 1:24:25
Re: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress preacherRandy Jones>From Michael Tutor's  posting on POYTHRESS-L 15 Jan 2006:

1. Capt John Poythress (1635-1712) of "Deep Bottom" m. Christian Peebles
    2. Robert Poythress (1690-1743) m. Elizabeth
         3. Lt. William Poythress (b.c.1737) of P.George & Amelia Cos. m. Elizabeth
              4. Elizabeth Poythress (1765-1818) m. Anthony Peniston
                   5. Francis Poythress (1794-1824) m. Hannah Satterwhite Moore
            
Would the Elizabeth Poythress Peniston above be the one described below?  If so, it would seem that the Rev. Francis Poythress (c.1732-1818) of Jessamine Co., KY could not have chronologically have been her brother. 

Was there another Elizabeth Poythress Peniston?

 -- Randy Jones
                     




________________________________
From: Barbara Neal
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 7:14:38 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress preacher

Thanks for the additional info on preacher Francis Poythress' sister
Susannah's marriage & census sightings from the "TN PRYORs" website, Sandy.
I wish it was a website giving more than just Pryor names.  When I have a
chance to look at all the names in the 1800 & 1810 Jessamine Co, KY census,
I'll see if Francis' other sister was there, too.

I'm not clear from our Message Archives what source there is for knowing
that Elizabeth Poythress Penniston was a sister to preacher Francis
Poythress and Susannah Poythress Pryor -- perhaps the same book mentioned in
that "TN PRYORs" website excerpt that gave info about Susannah Pryor
(History of Methodism in Tennessee by John B. McFerrin, DD, published 1888)

>From searching our own Message Archives, I only see that Elizabeth was
presumed to have been born in Va; had married a Penniston;  and some message
showed she had died in KY about 1818, with no citation for that.  I saw
mention of Mercer Co, KY for her as well as Jessamine Co, KY;  they are
adjacent counties in the general area of Lexington.

Penniston was a surname that Al Tims mentioned in a 23 July 1997 posting,
pointing out that it shows up as a POYTHRESS and CLEATON neighbor in the
following deed [patent?] to George WAINRIGHT in 1749:
    re 1000a PGCo on the N Side of Tommahitton Swamp
    ...... pt A) at Poythress's Corner white Oak on the sd Swamp
    .......pt G) Cleatons corner
    .......pt K) Penniston's Line

[This same deed was quoted by Mike Tutor in his message of 18 Dec 2005
captioned "John Poythress, Gentleman, of Brunswick County, 4th Generation"
as follows:
On September 5, 1749, to George Wainright, 1,000 acres, in Prince George
County, on the north side of the Tommahitton Swamp, 399 acres part thereof
being formerly granted to George Wainright by our letters patent bearing
date October 15, 1741, and 601 acres the residue never before granted,
adjoining Poythress, up Beaver Pond Creek, adjoining Whitmore, Cleaton and
Penniston.]

I note, by the way that whoever posted the 1810 Jessamine Co, KY Census info
on the "TN PRYORs" website, didn't give all the info that the series of
numbers indicates for Susannah's household.

The 10 numbers at the beginning of the record are where the Census-taker
indicated how many were in each category of:
1. free w/m under 10
2. free w/m 10 thru 15
3. free w/m 16 thru 25
4. free w/m 26 thru 44
5. free w/m 45 & over
6. free w/f under 10
7. free w/f 10 thru 15
8. free w/f 16 thru 25
9. free w/f 26 thru 44
10. free w/f 45 & over

So from Susannah's household having " 00111 - 00102" we know the household
had 1 w/m age 16-25; 1 w/m age 26-44; 1 w/m age 45 & over (Francis); 1 w/f
age 16-25; and 2 w/f age 45 & over -- certainly Susannah herself, and
perhaps her sister, who was Elizabeth Poythress Penniston.

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress preacherSandyHow firm is the birth date listed for Lt. William? Could it be in error? ...Or,
could it be that Rev. Francis was Lt. William's brother, i.e. Elizabeth's
uncle?Is anything known Robert Poythress' estate, or the estate of Lt.
William?


On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Randy Jones wrote:

> >From Michael Tutor's posting on POYTHRESS-L 15 Jan 2006:
>
> 1. Capt John Poythress (1635-1712) of "Deep Bottom" m. Christian Peebles
> 2. Robert Poythress (1690-1743) m. Elizabeth
> 3. Lt. William Poythress (b.c.1737) of P.George & Amelia Cos. m.
> Elizabeth
> 4. Elizabeth Poythress (1765-1818) m. Anthony Peniston
> 5. Francis Poythress (1794-1824) m. Hannah Satterwhite
> Moore
>
> Would the Elizabeth Poythress Peniston above be the one described below?
> If so, it would seem that the Rev. Francis Poythress (c.1732-1818) of
> Jessamine Co., KY could not have chronologically have been her brother.
>
> Was there another Elizabeth Poythress Peniston?
>
> -- Randy Jones
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Barbara Neal
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 7:14:38 PM
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress
> preacher
>
> Thanks for the additional info on preacher Francis Poythress' sister
> Susannah's marriage & census sightings from the "TN PRYORs" website, Sandy.
> I wish it was a website giving more than just Pryor names. When I have a
> chance to look at all the names in the 1800 & 1810 Jessamine Co, KY census,
> I'll see if Francis' other sister was there, too.
>
> I'm not clear from our Message Archives what source there is for knowing
> that Elizabeth Poythress Penniston was a sister to preacher Francis
> Poythress and Susannah Poythress Pryor -- perhaps the same book mentioned
> in
> that "TN PRYORs" website excerpt that gave info about Susannah Pryor
> (History of Methodism in Tennessee by John B. McFerrin, DD, published 1888)
>
> >From searching our own Message Archives, I only see that Elizabeth was
> presumed to have been born in Va; had married a Penniston; and some
> message
> showed she had died in KY about 1818, with no citation for that. I saw
> mention of Mercer Co, KY for her as well as Jessamine Co, KY; they are
> adjacent counties in the general area of Lexington.
>
> Penniston was a surname that Al Tims mentioned in a 23 July 1997 posting,
> pointing out that it shows up as a POYTHRESS and CLEATON neighbor in the
> following deed [patent?] to George WAINRIGHT in 1749:
> re 1000a PGCo on the N Side of Tommahitton Swamp
> ...... pt A) at Poythress's Corner white Oak on the sd Swamp
> .......pt G) Cleatons corner
> .......pt K) Penniston's Line
>
> [This same deed was quoted by Mike Tutor in his message of 18 Dec 2005
> captioned "John Poythress, Gentleman, of Brunswick County, 4th Generation"
> as follows:
> On September 5, 1749, to George Wainright, 1,000 acres, in Prince George
> County, on the north side of the Tommahitton Swamp, 399 acres part thereof
> being formerly granted to George Wainright by our letters patent bearing
> date October 15, 1741, and 601 acres the residue never before granted,
> adjoining Poythress, up Beaver Pond Creek, adjoining Whitmore, Cleaton and
> Penniston.]
>
> I note, by the way that whoever posted the 1810 Jessamine Co, KY Census
> info
> on the "TN PRYORs" website, didn't give all the info that the series of
> numbers indicates for Susannah's household.
>
> The 10 numbers at the beginning of the record are where the Census-taker
> indicated how many were in each category of:
> 1. free w/m under 10
> 2. free w/m 10 thru 15
> 3. free w/m 16 thru 25
> 4. free w/m 26 thru 44
> 5. free w/m 45 & over
> 6. free w/f under 10
> 7. free w/f 10 thru 15
> 8. free w/f 16 thru 25
> 9. free w/f 26 thru 44
> 10. free w/f 45 & over
>
> So from Susannah's household having " 00111 - 00102" we know the household
> had 1 w/m age 16-25; 1 w/m age 26-44; 1 w/m age 45 & over (Francis); 1 w/f
> age 16-25; and 2 w/f age 45 & over -- certainly Susannah herself, and
> perhaps her sister, who was Elizabeth Poythress Penniston.
>
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[POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress preacherBarbara NealThanks for the additional info on preacher Francis Poythress' sister
Susannah's marriage & census sightings from the "TN PRYORs" website, Sandy.
I wish it was a website giving more than just Pryor names. When I have a
chance to look at all the names in the 1800 & 1810 Jessamine Co, KY census,
I'll see if Francis' other sister was there, too.

I'm not clear from our Message Archives what source there is for knowing
that Elizabeth Poythress Penniston was a sister to preacher Francis
Poythress and Susannah Poythress Pryor -- perhaps the same book mentioned in
that "TN PRYORs" website excerpt that gave info about Susannah Pryor
(History of Methodism in Tennessee by John B. McFerrin, DD, published 1888)

>From searching our own Message Archives, I only see that Elizabeth was
presumed to have been born in Va; had married a Penniston; and some message
showed she had died in KY about 1818, with no citation for that. I saw
mention of Mercer Co, KY for her as well as Jessamine Co, KY; they are
adjacent counties in the general area of Lexington.

Penniston was a surname that Al Tims mentioned in a 23 July 1997 posting,
pointing out that it shows up as a POYTHRESS and CLEATON neighbor in the
following deed [patent?] to George WAINRIGHT in 1749:
re 1000a PGCo on the N Side of Tommahitton Swamp
...... pt A) at Poythress's Corner white Oak on the sd Swamp
.......pt G) Cleatons corner
.......pt K) Penniston's Line

[This same deed was quoted by Mike Tutor in his message of 18 Dec 2005
captioned "John Poythress, Gentleman, of Brunswick County, 4th Generation"
as follows:
On September 5, 1749, to George Wainright, 1,000 acres, in Prince George
County, on the north side of the Tommahitton Swamp, 399 acres part thereof
being formerly granted to George Wainright by our letters patent bearing
date October 15, 1741, and 601 acres the residue never before granted,
adjoining Poythress, up Beaver Pond Creek, adjoining Whitmore, Cleaton and
Penniston.]

I note, by the way that whoever posted the 1810 Jessamine Co, KY Census info
on the "TN PRYORs" website, didn't give all the info that the series of
numbers indicates for Susannah's household.

The 10 numbers at the beginning of the record are where the Census-taker
indicated how many were in each category of:
1. free w/m under 10
2. free w/m 10 thru 15
3. free w/m 16 thru 25
4. free w/m 26 thru 44
5. free w/m 45 & over
6. free w/f under 10
7. free w/f 10 thru 15
8. free w/f 16 thru 25
9. free w/f 26 thru 44
10. free w/f 45 & over

So from Susannah's household having " 00111 - 00102" we know the household
had 1 w/m age 16-25; 1 w/m age 26-44; 1 w/m age 45 & over (Francis); 1 w/f
age 16-25; and 2 w/f age 45 & over -- certainly Susannah herself, and
perhaps her sister, who was Elizabeth Poythress Penniston.		04/07/2009 11:14:38
Re: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress preacherLou PooleClearly there's a problem with dates in all this. From Barbara's
earlier posting:

This following quote is from "Methodism in Western North Carolina" by
Elmer T. Clark (who was b.1886), which volume was published in 1966 by
the Western North Carolina Conference, Methodist Church:
"At the fourth conference in America, held at Baltimore in May
1776, Francis Poythress was admitted on trial and appointed with two
others to the Carolina Circuit. He was a native of Virginia and
inherited a large estate from his father; he was also the son-in-law
of Madam William Russell, sister of Patrick Henry, and a famous
Methodist who lived at Saltville, Virginia, in the Holston country."

There's no way that Francis Poythress was at the fourth conference in
Baltimore in May 1776 (above) if he was not born until 1794 (below).
Just judging by the dates, Francis Poythress still could have been an
older brother of the below Elizabeth Poythress (m. Anthony Peniston) -
or at least of that generation.

But there's something else wrong with the information as presented
below. The indented form of generations suggests that Francis
POYTHRESS (1794-1824) was the son of Anthony and Elizabeth (Poythress)
PENISTON. Not likely! So I'd say the following information - as
presented - is not trustworthy.

It certainly looks to me that the place to concentrate attention is on
Lt. William Poythress, and his family. He's quite likely to have had
a son named Francis.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:39 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis
Poythress preacher

>From Michael Tutor's  posting on POYTHRESS-L 15 Jan 2006:

1. Capt John Poythress (1635-1712) of "Deep Bottom" m. Christian
Peebles
    2. Robert Poythress (1690-1743) m. Elizabeth
         3. Lt. William Poythress (b.c.1737) of P.George &
Amelia Cos. m. Elizabeth
              4. Elizabeth Poythress (1765-1818) m. Anthony Peniston
                   5. Francis Poythress (1794-1824) m. Hannah
Satterwhite Moore
            
Would the Elizabeth Poythress Peniston above be the one described
below?  If so, it would seem that the Rev. Francis Poythress
(c.1732-1818) of Jessamine Co., KY could not have chronologically have
been her brother. 

Was there another Elizabeth Poythress Peniston?

 -- Randy Jones
                     




________________________________
From: Barbara Neal
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 7:14:38 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress
preacher

Thanks for the additional info on preacher Francis Poythress' sister
Susannah's marriage & census sightings from the "TN PRYORs" website,
Sandy.
I wish it was a website giving more than just Pryor names.  When I
have a
chance to look at all the names in the 1800 & 1810 Jessamine Co, KY
census,
I'll see if Francis' other sister was there, too.

I'm not clear from our Message Archives what source there is for
knowing
that Elizabeth Poythress Penniston was a sister to preacher Francis
Poythress and Susannah Poythress Pryor -- perhaps the same book
mentioned in
that "TN PRYORs" website excerpt that gave info about Susannah Pryor
(History of Methodism in Tennessee by John B. McFerrin, DD, published
1888)

>From searching our own Message Archives, I only see that Elizabeth
was
presumed to have been born in Va; had married a Penniston;  and some
message
showed she had died in KY about 1818, with no citation for that.  I
saw
mention of Mercer Co, KY for her as well as Jessamine Co, KY;  they
are
adjacent counties in the general area of Lexington.

Penniston was a surname that Al Tims mentioned in a 23 July 1997
posting,
pointing out that it shows up as a POYTHRESS and CLEATON neighbor in
the
following deed [patent?] to George WAINRIGHT in 1749:
    re 1000a PGCo on the N Side of Tommahitton Swamp
    ...... pt A) at Poythress's Corner white Oak on the sd Swamp
    .......pt G) Cleatons corner
    .......pt K) Penniston's Line

[This same deed was quoted by Mike Tutor in his message of 18 Dec 2005
captioned "John Poythress, Gentleman, of Brunswick County, 4th
Generation"
as follows:
On September 5, 1749, to George Wainright, 1,000 acres, in Prince
George
County, on the north side of the Tommahitton Swamp, 399 acres part
thereof
being formerly granted to George Wainright by our letters patent
bearing
date October 15, 1741, and 601 acres the residue never before granted,
adjoining Poythress, up Beaver Pond Creek, adjoining Whitmore, Cleaton
and
Penniston.]

I note, by the way that whoever posted the 1810 Jessamine Co, KY
Census info
on the "TN PRYORs" website, didn't give all the info that the series
of
numbers indicates for Susannah's household.

The 10 numbers at the beginning of the record are where the
Census-taker
indicated how many were in each category of:
1. free w/m under 10
2. free w/m 10 thru 15
3. free w/m 16 thru 25
4. free w/m 26 thru 44
5. free w/m 45 & over
6. free w/f under 10
7. free w/f 10 thru 15
8. free w/f 16 thru 25
9. free w/f 26 thru 44
10. free w/f 45 & over

So from Susannah's household having " 00111 - 00102" we know the
household
had 1 w/m age 16-25; 1 w/m age 26-44; 1 w/m age 45 & over (Francis); 1
w/f
age 16-25; and 2 w/f age 45 & over -- certainly Susannah herself, and
perhaps her sister, who was Elizabeth Poythress Penniston.

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress preacherSandyThe chart structure seems to show the Francis Poythress (1794-1824) m.
Hannah Satterwhite Moore, as "Francis Poythress Peniston," s/o Elizabeth.
Perhaps his surname was just omitted? I know nothing about Elizabeth [nee
Poythress] Peniston or her children, if she had any. But if the dates are
reasonably correct, she would have been abt 29 at the birth of that Francis,
which certainly works.

And just to add some new confusion, apparenlty there was a Francis P.
Peniston, b. Jessamine Co., KY, no less, but later... in 1819, per this
site...
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~livcomo/Pioneers/b966.htm#P32289

*Francis P. PENISTON* was born about 1819 in Jessamine Co., Kentucky. He
died in 1861. He was a Captain, serving with Confederate troops from Daviess
County. He died soon after the battle of Lexington. Parents: Robert Price
PENISTONand
Nancy
NUTTALL
.
(note this Francis P. Peniston seems to have had a brother named William
POYTHERSS Peniston.)

Just gets curiouser and curiouser. 🙂

-Sandy

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Lou Poole wrote:

> Clearly there's a problem with dates in all this. From Barbara's
> earlier posting:
>
> This following quote is from "Methodism in Western North Carolina" by
> Elmer T. Clark (who was b.1886), which volume was published in 1966 by
> the Western North Carolina Conference, Methodist Church:
> "At the fourth conference in America, held at Baltimore in May
> 1776, Francis Poythress was admitted on trial and appointed with two
> others to the Carolina Circuit. He was a native of Virginia and
> inherited a large estate from his father; he was also the son-in-law
> of Madam William Russell, sister of Patrick Henry, and a famous
> Methodist who lived at Saltville, Virginia, in the Holston country."
>
> There's no way that Francis Poythress was at the fourth conference in
> Baltimore in May 1776 (above) if he was not born until 1794 (below).
> Just judging by the dates, Francis Poythress still could have been an
> older brother of the below Elizabeth Poythress (m. Anthony Peniston) -
> or at least of that generation.
>
> But there's something else wrong with the information as presented
> below. The indented form of generations suggests that Francis
> POYTHRESS (1794-1824) was the son of Anthony and Elizabeth (Poythress)
> PENISTON. Not likely! So I'd say the following information - as
> presented - is not trustworthy.
>
> It certainly looks to me that the place to concentrate attention is on
> Lt. William Poythress, and his family. He's quite likely to have had
> a son named Francis.
>
> Lou Poole
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
> [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:39 PM
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis
> Poythress preacher
>
> >From Michael Tutor's posting on POYTHRESS-L 15 Jan 2006:
>
> 1. Capt John Poythress (1635-1712) of "Deep Bottom" m. Christian
> Peebles
> 2. Robert Poythress (1690-1743) m. Elizabeth
> 3. Lt. William Poythress (b.c.1737) of P.George &
> Amelia Cos. m. Elizabeth
> 4. Elizabeth Poythress (1765-1818) m. Anthony Peniston
> 5. Francis Poythress (1794-1824) m. Hannah
> Satterwhite Moore
>
> Would the Elizabeth Poythress Peniston above be the one described
> below? If so, it would seem that the Rev. Francis Poythress
> (c.1732-1818) of Jessamine Co., KY could not have chronologically have
> been her brother.
>
> Was there another Elizabeth Poythress Peniston?
>
> -- Randy Jones
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Barbara Neal
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 7:14:38 PM
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress
> preacher
>
> Thanks for the additional info on preacher Francis Poythress' sister
> Susannah's marriage & census sightings from the "TN PRYORs" website,
> Sandy.
> I wish it was a website giving more than just Pryor names. When I
> have a
> chance to look at all the names in the 1800 & 1810 Jessamine Co, KY
> census,
> I'll see if Francis' other sister was there, too.
>
> I'm not clear from our Message Archives what source there is for
> knowing
> that Elizabeth Poythress Penniston was a sister to preacher Francis
> Poythress and Susannah Poythress Pryor -- perhaps the same book
> mentioned in
> that "TN PRYORs" website excerpt that gave info about Susannah Pryor
> (History of Methodism in Tennessee by John B. McFerrin, DD, published
> 1888)
>
> >From searching our own Message Archives, I only see that Elizabeth
> was
> presumed to have been born in Va; had married a Penniston; and some
> message
> showed she had died in KY about 1818, with no citation for that. I
> saw
> mention of Mercer Co, KY for her as well as Jessamine Co, KY; they
> are
> adjacent counties in the general area of Lexington.
>
> Penniston was a surname that Al Tims mentioned in a 23 July 1997
> posting,
> pointing out that it shows up as a POYTHRESS and CLEATON neighbor in
> the
> following deed [patent?] to George WAINRIGHT in 1749:
> re 1000a PGCo on the N Side of Tommahitton Swamp
> ...... pt A) at Poythress's Corner white Oak on the sd Swamp
> .......pt G) Cleatons corner
> .......pt K) Penniston's Line
>
> [This same deed was quoted by Mike Tutor in his message of 18 Dec 2005
> captioned "John Poythress, Gentleman, of Brunswick County, 4th
> Generation"
> as follows:
> On September 5, 1749, to George Wainright, 1,000 acres, in Prince
> George
> County, on the north side of the Tommahitton Swamp, 399 acres part
> thereof
> being formerly granted to George Wainright by our letters patent
> bearing
> date October 15, 1741, and 601 acres the residue never before granted,
> adjoining Poythress, up Beaver Pond Creek, adjoining Whitmore, Cleaton
> and
> Penniston.]
>
> I note, by the way that whoever posted the 1810 Jessamine Co, KY
> Census info
> on the "TN PRYORs" website, didn't give all the info that the series
> of
> numbers indicates for Susannah's household.
>
> The 10 numbers at the beginning of the record are where the
> Census-taker
> indicated how many were in each category of:
> 1. free w/m under 10
> 2. free w/m 10 thru 15
> 3. free w/m 16 thru 25
> 4. free w/m 26 thru 44
> 5. free w/m 45 & over
> 6. free w/f under 10
> 7. free w/f 10 thru 15
> 8. free w/f 16 thru 25
> 9. free w/f 26 thru 44
> 10. free w/f 45 & over
>
> So from Susannah's household having " 00111 - 00102" we know the
> household
> had 1 w/m age 16-25; 1 w/m age 26-44; 1 w/m age 45 & over (Francis); 1
> w/f
> age 16-25; and 2 w/f age 45 & over -- certainly Susannah herself, and
> perhaps her sister, who was Elizabeth Poythress Penniston.
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress preacherRandy JonesI apologize.  The last line of the chart I provided should show Francis Poythress Peniston, not Francis Poythress.  I am not sure that he is relevant to the issue being discussed, except to note that Elizabeth had a son of such name, probably indicating a close relationship to a Francis Poythress (a brother or uncle), since a Francis was not an ancestor for five generations back.

  -- Randy Jones




________________________________
From: Lou Poole
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 9:44:52 AM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress preacher

Clearly there's a problem with dates in all this.  From Barbara's
earlier posting:

This following quote is from "Methodism in Western North Carolina" by
Elmer T. Clark (who was b.1886), which volume was published in 1966 by
the Western North Carolina Conference, Methodist Church:
    "At the fourth conference in America, held at Baltimore in May
1776, Francis Poythress was admitted on trial and appointed with two
others to the Carolina Circuit.  He was a native of Virginia and
inherited a large estate from his father;  he was also the son-in-law
of Madam William Russell, sister of Patrick Henry, and a famous
Methodist who lived at Saltville, Virginia, in the Holston country."

There's no way that Francis Poythress was at the fourth conference in
Baltimore in May 1776 (above) if he was not born until 1794 (below).
Just judging by  the dates, Francis Poythress still could have been an
older brother of the below Elizabeth Poythress (m. Anthony Peniston) -
or at least of that generation.

But there's something else wrong with the information as presented
below.  The indented form of generations suggests that Francis
POYTHRESS (1794-1824) was the son of Anthony and Elizabeth (Poythress)
PENISTON.  Not likely!  So I'd say the following information - as
presented - is not trustworthy.

It certainly looks to me that the place to concentrate attention is on
Lt. William Poythress, and his family.  He's quite likely to have had
a son named Francis.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:39 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis
Poythress preacher

>From Michael Tutor's  posting on POYTHRESS-L 15 Jan 2006:

1. Capt John Poythress (1635-1712) of "Deep Bottom" m. Christian
Peebles
    2. Robert Poythress (1690-1743) m. Elizabeth
         3. Lt. William Poythress (b.c.1737) of P.George &
Amelia Cos. m. Elizabeth
              4. Elizabeth Poythress (1765-1818) m. Anthony Peniston
                   5. Francis Poythress (1794-1824) m. Hannah
Satterwhite Moore
            
Would the Elizabeth Poythress Peniston above be the one described
below?  If so, it would seem that the Rev. Francis Poythress
(c.1732-1818) of Jessamine Co., KY could not have chronologically have
been her brother. 

Was there another Elizabeth Poythress Peniston?

 -- Randy Jones
                     




________________________________
From: Barbara Neal
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 7:14:38 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress
preacher

Thanks for the additional info on preacher Francis Poythress' sister
Susannah's marriage & census sightings from the "TN PRYORs" website,
Sandy.
I wish it was a website giving more than just Pryor names.  When I
have a
chance to look at all the names in the 1800 & 1810 Jessamine Co, KY
census,
I'll see if Francis' other sister was there, too.

I'm not clear from our Message Archives what source there is for
knowing
that Elizabeth Poythress Penniston was a sister to preacher Francis
Poythress and Susannah Poythress Pryor -- perhaps the same book
mentioned in
that "TN PRYORs" website excerpt that gave info about Susannah Pryor
(History of Methodism in Tennessee by John B. McFerrin, DD, published
1888)

>From searching our own Message Archives, I only see that Elizabeth
was
presumed to have been born in Va; had married a Penniston;  and some
message
showed she had died in KY about 1818, with no citation for that.  I
saw
mention of Mercer Co, KY for her as well as Jessamine Co, KY;  they
are
adjacent counties in the general area of Lexington.

Penniston was a surname that Al Tims mentioned in a 23 July 1997
posting,
pointing out that it shows up as a POYTHRESS and CLEATON neighbor in
the
following deed [patent?] to George WAINRIGHT in 1749:
    re 1000a PGCo on the N Side of Tommahitton Swamp
    ...... pt A) at Poythress's Corner white Oak on the sd Swamp
    .......pt G) Cleatons corner
    .......pt K) Penniston's Line

[This same deed was quoted by Mike Tutor in his message of 18 Dec 2005
captioned "John Poythress, Gentleman, of Brunswick County, 4th
Generation"
as follows:
On September 5, 1749, to George Wainright, 1,000 acres, in Prince
George
County, on the north side of the Tommahitton Swamp, 399 acres part
thereof
being formerly granted to George Wainright by our letters patent
bearing
date October 15, 1741, and 601 acres the residue never before granted,
adjoining Poythress, up Beaver Pond Creek, adjoining Whitmore, Cleaton
and
Penniston.]

I note, by the way that whoever posted the 1810 Jessamine Co, KY
Census info
on the "TN PRYORs" website, didn't give all the info that the series
of
numbers indicates for Susannah's household.

The 10 numbers at the beginning of the record are where the
Census-taker
indicated how many were in each category of:
1. free w/m under 10
2. free w/m 10 thru 15
3. free w/m 16 thru 25
4. free w/m 26 thru 44
5. free w/m 45 & over
6. free w/f under 10
7. free w/f 10 thru 15
8. free w/f 16 thru 25
9. free w/f 26 thru 44
10. free w/f 45 & over

So from Susannah's household having " 00111 - 00102" we know the
household
had 1 w/m age 16-25; 1 w/m age 26-44; 1 w/m age 45 & over (Francis); 1
w/f
age 16-25; and 2 w/f age 45 & over -- certainly Susannah herself, and
perhaps her sister, who was Elizabeth Poythress Penniston.

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress preacherBarbara NealThanks everyone for the interesting notations. I'm still wondering if there
is any citation, and if so what it is, to show that preacher Francis
Poythress & his sister Susannah Poythress Pryor even truly had a sister
Elizabeth who married a Penniston -- or Pennington, or whatever spelling;)
Bpn



04/08/2009 7:41:06
Re: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress preacherSandyBarbara,I don't know, but I think the answers may be in Jessamine Co, KY,
and quite possibly the Seminary has papers.

Meanwhile, you may have found these already, but "just in case," here are
some old archived messages, some showing Elizabeth Poythress marrying
"Thomas" (or alternately "Anthony") Peniston....
they being parents of (among others) Francis Poythress Peniston who md
Hannah Satterwhite Moore.

That said, there's still a date problem in at least a couple of these posts,
with Francis shown b 1794, but father Thomas (or Anthony) having d. 1793.

wait, try these first:
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/POYTHRESS/2006-01/1137340685

http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/POYTHRESS/2004-09/1094679523

then these:

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/KYJESSAM/1999-05/0926205592

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/POYTHRESS/1997-06/0866236122

http://genforum.genealogy.com/poythress/messages/159.html

-Sandy

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Thanks everyone for the interesting notations. I'm still wondering if
> there
> is any citation, and if so what it is, to show that preacher Francis
> Poythress & his sister Susannah Poythress Pryor even truly had a sister
> Elizabeth who married a Penniston -- or Pennington, or whatever spelling;)
> Bpn
>
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>		04/08/2009 10:02:46
Re: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress preacherBarbara NealFor Jessamine Co, KY, I looked at a book at the library by Anna J. Munday
Hubble, transcribing "Jessamine County 1810 Kentucky Census"

It showed the Jessamine Co census was on pages 35 thru 62 [presumably of
Kentucky's Census]. On page 58 were the below names. The key below the
names shows what the numbers after the head of household's name indicate.
Practically speaking, when a woman was the head of household back in those
days, her husband was deceased.

The first two names below are consecutively listed as the 5th & 6th names on
p.58 of that Census, and the third name was the 18th name on the same page:

Peniston, John 31110 00010
Prior, Susanna 00111 00102
Peniston, Thomas 10010 20100

Reading each of those digits after the name, left to right, one gets the
number in the household of the following. As you see above by the names,
only 10 digits were transcribed (throughout the book), so we do not know the
number in the household for either "all other free persons, except Indians
not taxed" or for "slaves"

1. free w/m under 10
2. free w/m 10 thru 15
3. free w/m 16 thru 25
4. free w/m 26 thru 44)
5. free w/m 45 & over
==
6. free w/f under 10
7. free w/f 10 thru 15
8. free w/f 16 thru 25
9. free w/f 26 thru 44
10. free w/f 45 & over
11. all other free persons, except Indians not taxed [note: "Indians not
taxed" refers to Indians remaining in their tribes & not living in the
general population]
12. slaves

Yes, I've seen all our Message Archives entries mentioning preacher Francis
Poythress, and mentioning Susanna(h) Pryor/Prior, the sister in whose
household Francis lived before he died. The info that he died at the home
of his sister, Mrs. Susannah Pryor, near Lexington, KY is indeed documented
in the book "History of Methodism in Tennessee" by John B. McFerrin, DD,
published 1888, quoting other ministers who knew Francis. (The book has
numerous mentions of Francis and is available to read or search online
thanks to Google Books.)

And I've seen messages saying Francis had another sister, Elizabeth who
married an Anthony or a Thomas Peniston. And I've seen messages saying that
Elizabeth Poythress who married Anthony Peniston, was daughter of a William
Poythress, with at least one message saying that particular Wm Poythress was
a son of Robert Poythress & Elizabeth Cocke.

But what I haven't seen is any definitive source cited for any of that. I
want to see more than just a line of descent sketched out and apparently
sent with a 1922 query to Mr. Torrence (presumably Clayton Torrence), asking
him to look at these papers and evaluate them, as mentioned by Maynard in
his 13 Jun 1997 email to our Poythress List of subscribers. That email
sprung from Maynard's examination of the Torrence Family Papers [filed as
MSS/T6355d at the Virginia Historical Society, Richmond, VA], in which that
sketched-out 12-generation line of descent included the following
descendants from immigrant Francis Poythress (with him being the 1st
generation) in the 7th generation:
7. Elizabeth Poythress (1765-1818) m. 1783 Anthony Peniston (1764-1797)
7. Also Generation #7 and left no heirs, which we know: Francis
Poythress.
The notes say: "died a bachelor. M. E. Minister in NC, VA, & KY (see
Sprague's Annals of American Pulpit, Vol. 7, page 164"
7. _______ the other [unnamed sibling; or "sister" as stated in Maynard's

message]

As Maynard pointed out in that June 1997 email (1) the 12-generation line of
descent as sketched out looked like material to submit to a lineage society,
and (2) the Torrence Family Papers gave no indication that any evaluation
was performed by Torrence.

We must keep in mind that for decades, many men and women claimed certain
lines of descent without giving documentary sources for the marriages,
births, and deaths in their lineage society application forms; some of them
made mistakes in connecting families and the support for those connections
weren't verified.

As phrased by Maynard or by Michael Tutor, when a few years ago working on
combining into one Poythress Study, the various lengthy List messages
Michael had produced regarding different generations of early Poythress
people in America:
[T]he first potential for error in this approach lies in the
“assignment” of an activity and/or an historical record to “the wrong
Poythress.”

If anyone can point to any clear proof (whether documentary info, or any
persuasive gathering of circumstantial info) to indicate preacher Francis
Poythress and/or his sister Mrs. Susannah Pryor was/were (1) sibling of
Elizabeth Poythress who married Anthony Peniston; and/or (2) children of
William Poythress and grandson of Robert Poythress & Elizabeth Cocke, I'd
greatly appreciate hearing about it. Thanks.
Bpn		04/09/2009 3:41:31
[POYTHRESS] (no subject)John M. PoythressThe below lines have no more evidentiary weight than any other no-documentation-appended
Gedcom someone might put up on the web but there are some tidbits suggesting strings to
pull and a few coincidences.



+ the documented existence of one Robert Price Poythress grandson of Elizabeth Poythress
Peniston. Given the penchant of those guys for names of ancestors, give the "Robert"
(possible gggrandfather Robert Poythress) maybe a feather's worth of weight on the scales
but not much more.



+ gee, there's that "Price" name again (three times no less)..surely no connection to
that John Price Poythress all the way down in the Florida panhandle? (my instinct says
"no way") This "Price" is 1813 and the other one in Florida is 1860-70s or thereabouts
and they are 700 miles apart. Probably a one in a

million chance but a common origin could be in Virginia.



+ William Portis Peniston...great Scot, another "Portis" spelling "variation" of
Poythress kin to the one in Southampton County, VA? (Elizabeth or Nancy might or might
not have known how to write or spell it but a census enumerator might not).



+ there's Francis P. (Poythress?) Peniston again in this family. Those folks seem
"imagination challenged" when it comes to given names...and Francis is not particularly
one that would be pulled out of the air. Culturally speaking Francis is a
"Royalist/Cavalier" type name before and from the English civil war, not especially
popular on the "frontier" of Kentucky in 1819, although the other side of that observation
would be that they did after all come from Virginia. For a more likely connection, think
about him being named for a famous "great uncle" with a sizable contemporaneous reputation
and living (albeit now demented) in the area. The question becomes (if the "P" really
does stand for Poythress) why in the world would Nancy just haul off and name a child
Francis Poythress Peniston..and what the middle "P" does or doesn't stand for is now a
issue of at least some consequence.



+ Nancy named a daughter Susan, a common name in the era and not particularly remarkable
but maybe worth a "hmmmm."



+ a DAR qualification calls Elizabeth and Susanna sisters as I think I recall. I'm not
all that keen on DAR qualification records but just maybe somebody knew something.



+ now Barbara uncovers a transcription of an 1810 KY Jessamine County census that has
Susanna

Prior/Pryor next door to one Peniston and close by to another one.





Gee, I hope not in my imagination, but I'm beginning to see stuff pile up that perhaps
qualifies an entry

for Elizabeth as "records are suggestive of."



[while we are at it, note that I am copying a 2005 correspondent, one Tara Peniston of
Lexington, a lady who has done some toiling in this vineyard for quite a while. Lordy,
please forbid that her internet handle of "FPP" stands for Francis Poythress Peniston and
confuses us some more . Tara: if you're still on line, this email addresses an issue
that has come up; to wit: that while Susanna Pryor is 99.9% proven as the sister of
Francis Poythress (preacher) it is not necessarily proven that Susanna and Elizabeth were
sisters, in which case Elizabeth would become a "documented" brother of Francis also.
I'm not sure we're any closer to finding "their" father but if you have any linkage
between Susanna Poythress Pryor and Elizabeth Peniston Poythress, would you please share
it with us? And if you're still on the radar and have comments for us address them to
poythress-l@rootsweb.com and we would be very, very grateful. Many, many thanks.
Maynard]



Cheers all, Maynard



11. Nancy Nuttall (Elijah
) was born about 1791. She died about
1851 in , Daviess County, MO, USA.

Nancy married Robert Price Peniston Sr son of Thomas Peniston and Elizabeth Poythress on
10 Jan 1810 in , Fayette County, Ky, Usa. Robert was born in 1787 in , , Va, Usa. He died
in 1861 in , Gallatin County, Mo, Usa.

They had the following children:




19

M

i

Anthony Peniston was born in 1808 in , , Ky, USA.




20

F

ii

Martha Ann Peniston was born in 1808 in , , Ky, USA.










Martha married John Zook on 6 Sep 1846.




21

F

iii

Mary Price Peniston was born about 1808 in , , Ky, USA. She died about 1898 in Centenary
Cemet, Gallatin County, Mo.




22

M

iv

William Portis Peniston was born 1
in 1811 in , Jessamine County, Ky, Usa. He died 2
about 1850 in , , CA, USA.










William married Mary Walls.




23

M

v

Theodore Peniston was born 1 in
1812 in , Jessamine County, Ky, Usa. He died in 1892 in Centenary Cemet, Gallatin County,
Mo.










Theodore married Susan Catherine Williams on 17 Feb 1848. Susan was born in 1827. She died
in 1911.




24

M

vi

Robert Price Peniston Jr was born on 27 Dec 1813 in , Jessamine County, Ky, Usa. He died
about 1898 in Springhill, Livingston Co, Mo.










Robert married (1) Elizabeth Morris on 4 Aug 1840.










Robert married (2) Martha A Hutchinson Williams.




25

M

vii

Francis P Peniston was born 1
about 1819 in , Jessamine County, Ky, Usa.




26

F

viii

Susan Peniston was born about 1819 in , , Ky, USA.










Susan married John Kerr Dr on 11 Apr 1840. John was born about 1808.




27

M

ix

Thomas Peniston was born in 1825 in , , Ky, USA.










Thomas married Cynthia Ann Brown on 18 Nov 1847. Cynthia was born in 1832.




28

M

x

Elijah Peniston was born in , , Ky, USA.



[I'd love to capture those appendix "notes" numbered above but the link seems to be gone.
mp]		04/10/2009 6:28:13
Re: [POYTHRESS] Returned mail: delivery problems encounteredJohn M. PoythressWell, looks like Tara Peniston is off the air.or has another email

address. I'll try to phone her. Maynard



-----Original Message-----
From: postmaster@isp.att.net [mailto:postmaster@isp.att.net]
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 12:28
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Returned mail: delivery problems encountered



A message (from ) was received at 10 Apr 2009 16:28:17 +0000.



The following addresses had delivery problems:





Permanent Failure: 550_MAILBOX_NOT_FOUND

Delivery last attempted at Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:28:17 -0000		04/10/2009 6:43:40
[POYTHRESS] Elizabeth Poythress PenistonJohn M. PoythressIn one of the Ancestry.com inventories there is listed a will of Elizabeth Peniston

in Prince George County. Since the records suggest that Elizabeth was widowed

for a long period prior to her own death in 1818, there is at least the possibility that

she returned to VA before her death if she is indeed the Elizabeth we're looking for.



Anyone got Ancestry to look this one up?



Thanks.



Maynard		04/10/2009 9:33:06
[POYTHRESS] Sarah PryorJohn M. PoythressWell now, aha, Mr. Peniston has a daughter named Sarah (presumably a sister for
Elizabeth):



Will



Anthony Collins Peniston of Brandon Parish in Prince George County

20 April 1772/8 Sep 1772



All the profits of my estate to my wife (not named) during her widowhood or till my son,

John Gilbert Peniston, arrives at the age of 21. Son, Anthony Peniston, the land I live
on

along with a tract in Dinwiddie CO known as Molerres plus a tract that I bought there from


Thomas Philly. Daughter, Sarah Peniston a tract of land in Dinwiddie County by the name

of Molorres together with a tract in said county I bought of Thomas Philly. Son, Samuel

Peniston, a tract in Dinwiddie CO known as Tomchittom. My four children viz. John Gilbert


Peniston, Anthony Peniston, Sarah Penniston (sic) and Samuel Penniston (sic) (will
abruptly

ends at this point). Wit: Richard Yarbrough, Henry Batte and John Adams.

s/
Anthony Peniston



(At the probate, Thomas Peniston was appointed administrator).



Note: Division of the estate was 11 Nov 1783 by Peter Poythress, Edward Bland and William

Green. Inventory of the estate in Prince George County was on 12 Nov 1772 by Henry Batte,


Thomas Eppes and Robert Batte and sworn before Peter Eppes. Inventory of the estate in

Dinwiddie County was on 1 Apr 1774 by John Jones, Jr., Philip Jones and Ken Jones.



(Some Wills from the Burned Counties, Va. Gene. Soc. Qrtrly., Vol. 31, # 4, 1993)





Well maybe, but not so fast..where in the will is a daughter named Elizabeth??? And

moreover, Anthony Peniston specifically refers to "my four children" and names four..

none of which is named Elizabeth.and in fact only one is even female eliminating the

possibility a female might be called by another name.



Shoot. Mystery remains. Back to the drawing board. Maybe they were cousins.



Maynard		04/13/2009 4:04:25
[POYTHRESS] Susannah PriorJohn M. PoythressDISREGARD THE BELOW..IT'S LATE AND I WENT BRAIN DEAD. IT WOULD

HAVE TO BE A POYTHRESS WHO HAD DAUGHTERS SARAH AND ELIZABETH

who turned into Pryor and Peniston.

DUHHHH. Maynard



Well now, aha, Mr. Peniston has a daughter named Sarah (presumably a sister for
Elizabeth):



Will



Anthony Collins Peniston of Brandon Parish in Prince George County

20 April 1772/8 Sep 1772



All the profits of my estate to my wife (not named) during her widowhood or till my son,

John Gilbert Peniston, arrives at the age of 21. Son, Anthony Peniston, the land I live
on

along with a tract in Dinwiddie CO known as Molerres plus a tract that I bought there from


Thomas Philly. Daughter, Sarah Peniston a tract of land in Dinwiddie County by the name

of Molorres together with a tract in said county I bought of Thomas Philly. Son, Samuel

Peniston, a tract in Dinwiddie CO known as Tomchittom. My four children viz. John Gilbert


Peniston, Anthony Peniston, Sarah Penniston (sic) and Samuel Penniston (sic) (will
abruptly

ends at this point). Wit: Richard Yarbrough, Henry Batte and John Adams.

s/
Anthony Peniston



(At the probate, Thomas Peniston was appointed administrator).



Note: Division of the estate was 11 Nov 1783 by Peter Poythress, Edward Bland and William

Green. Inventory of the estate in Prince George County was on 12 Nov 1772 by Henry Batte,


Thomas Eppes and Robert Batte and sworn before Peter Eppes. Inventory of the estate in

Dinwiddie County was on 1 Apr 1774 by John Jones, Jr., Philip Jones and Ken Jones.



(Some Wills from the Burned Counties, Va. Gene. Soc. Qrtrly., Vol. 31, # 4, 1993)





Well maybe, but not so fast..where in the will is a daughter named Elizabeth??? And

moreover, Anthony Peniston specifically refers to "my four children" and names four..

none of which is named Elizabeth.and in fact only one is even female eliminating the

possibility a female might be called by another name.



Shoot. Mystery remains. Back to the drawing board. Maybe they were cousins.



Maynard		04/13/2009 4:08:18
[POYTHRESS] 1769 LWT //Re: Elizabeth Poythress PenistonSandyMaynard & all,

The LWT you've noted from Ancestry appears to be an earlier Elizabeth
Peniston... this LWT dated 1769, and her death at some point before
1773. Nevertheless, I'm entering it here, in the event it helps to
"sort" folks at some point in time.

The Ancestry file comes from the scanned images of the following book:
"Virginia Will Records: From The Virginia Magazines of History and
Biography, the William and Mary College Quarterly, and Tyler's
Quarterly," indexed by Judith McGhan; Genealogical Publishing Co.,
Inc., 1993.

pg 833:
"The destruction of the greater part of the Prince George County
records makes the Will and Executor's Bond found among the papers of
Charles Campbell, the historian, and given below, of interest.

"TRANSCRIPT of the last Will and Testament of Elizabeth Peniston,
heretofore of Prince George's County in the Province of Virginia,
Widow.
IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN, I Elizabeth Peniston being weak & infirm,
but of perfect Sense and Memory do make and ordain this my last Will
and Testament in Manner and form following revoking all former Wills
by me made and as to my worldly Estate I give and devise the same as
follows,
IMPRIMIS, I give and bequeath to the Son of my brother Abraham Lucas
and 'the Children of my Sister Anne James', all my Lands in the Island
of St. Eustatia, to be equally divided amongst them, to them and their
heirs forever.
ITEM, I give and bequeath to John Bland the Son of Richard, Bland, one
hundred pounds Current money.
Item, I give and bequeath to Susanna Bland the daughter of Richard
Bland fifty pounds Current money.
Item, I give and bequeath to Elizabeth Savage and her heirs for ever
the Land and plantation whereon I now live with all my Negroes and
wearing apparel, and do order & direct that Robert Batte be not
molested in the use of the Land overflowed by his Mill pond, so long
as he continues his Mill.
Item, I give and bequeath to my God daughter Martha Batte one handsome
mourning ring.
Item, I give and bequeath my household furniture & plate to my
aforesaid Brother & Sisters children to be equally divided between
them, except one bed and furniture which I give Elizabeth Savage.
Item, I give and bequeath to my Executor hereafter named five Per Cent
upon the whole Value of my Estate for his Trouble in transacting the
Business and one mourning ring of twenty Pounds Value.
(con't pg 834):
"Item, all the rest and residue of my Estate, be it of what Nature or
kind so ever, I give and bequeath to Elizabeth Savage, and it is my
Will and meaning that if the said Elizabeth Savage should die without
leaving a child, that the Land I have given to be sold, and the money
arising from the Sale be equally divided amongst my aforesaid brother
and Sisters children. And further it is my Will that if the said
Elizabeth Savage should die without a child, as aforesaid, that the
Negroes given her be equally divided amongst my aforesaid Brother and
Sisters Children, In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand &
affixed my Seal this 13th day of June 1769, & I do appoint Theodorick
Bland Executor to this Will.

The mark of (E.P.)
Elizabeth Penitson [sic, spelling as per shown in this book] (Seal)
Signed, Sealed, published and Declared by the Testatrix in presence of
Elizabeth Young
Anne Bradley
Wm. Bradley.

"Executor's Bond of the Will of Elizabeth Peniston

KNOW ALL MEN that I George Jeems [James] of the Island of St.
Eustatius, planter, Guardian of the bodies and Estates of Katherine
Jeems, Anne Jeems, Sarah Jeems, John Jeems, Mary Jeems, Adriana Jeems,
Cornelia Jeems, Peter Jeems, and George Jeems Minors the persons
meant, intended and designed by the Words. 'The Children of my Sister
Anne Jeems, in the annexed Transcript of the last Will and Testament
of Elizabeth Peniston, heretofore of Prince George's County in the
Province and Colony of Virginia, Widow, deceased, have made, ordained
and constituted, and by these presents do make, ordain and constitute,
and my place and stead put my Trusty and Loving friend Theodora Bland,
of the County and Province aforesaid, Esquire, my true and lawful
Attorney for me and in my Name, as Guardian aforesaid, and for the use
of the said Minors, my Wards, to ask, demand sue for, recover and
receive, all such Estate, Sum and Sums of Money, debts, goods, Wares,
dues, accounts and other demands whatsoever, as already have, or at
any time hereafter may, by Virtue of any Bequest or devise contained
in the aforesaid last Will & Testament of Elizabeth Peniston,
deceased, become due, owing, payable or belonging to
(cont'd pg 835)
my aforesaid Wards or any of them, & now detained, or at any time
hereafter to be detained from them or any of them, by any manner or
ways or means whatsoever by any person or persons whatsoever within
the Province of Virginia aforesaid: Giving & granting unto my said
Attorney, by these presents, my full & whole power Strength and
Authority in and about the premises; to have use and take all lawful
means and ways in my name for the recovery thereof, and upon the
Recovery and Receipt of any such Estate, debts, Dues or Sums of Money
aforesaid, Aquittances or other sufficient discharges for me, and in
my Name to make, Seal and deliver and generally all and every other
act and acts, thing & things, device and devices in the Law
whatsoever, needful or necessary to be done in or about the Premises
for the Recovery of all or any such Estate, debts, dues or Sums of
money aforesaid for me and in my name to do, Execute and perform, as
fully, largely and amply to all Intents and purposes, as I myself
might or could do, if I was personally present, or as if the matter
required more special Authority than is herein given. And Attornies
one or more, under him for the aforesaid to make and constitute and
again at pleasure to revoke. Ratifying, allowing and holding for firm
and effectual, all and whatsoever my said Attorney shall Lawfully do,
or cause to be done in and about the premises by Virtue hereof. In
Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand & Seal in the Island of
St. Eustatius aforesaid this Eleventh day of July in the Year of our
Lord, one thousand seven hundred & Seventy three.
GEORGE JEEMS (Sealed in red wax)
Signed, Sealed & delivered
in the presence of THOS WILLIAMSON
BEFORE us, the Honourable Jan Dewind, Esquire Governor over the
Islands of St. Eustatius, Soba & St Martin &c &c &c
This day personally appeared George Jeems, planter, who acknowledged
and declared that he had, in his quality of Guardian as in the
preceeding Letter or Warrant of Attorney is particularly set forth,
signed, sealed and delivered the same as his free and voluntary act
and deed for the purposes therein mentioned.
GIVEN under our hand and Seal of Government in the Island of St.
Eustatuis [sic] the 11th day of July Annoq Domini 1773
(Seal in red wax)"
-------------

My note..... that's a LOT of typing, and I'm only human. So I'm
sending the images, offlist, to you and Barbara, so you can
double-check for mistakes. It will not offend me in the least if you
discover some. 🙂

FYI... if anyone's interested in a Caribbean research "field trip" to
Statia.... I'm game! 🙂 Of course, it would be nice to discover a
Woodlief connection down there...

http://www.statiatourism.com/

Hope this helps,
Sandy



On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:33 PM, John M. Poythress
wrote:
> In one of the Ancestry.com inventories there is listed a will of Elizabeth Peniston
>
> in Prince George County.   Since the records suggest that Elizabeth was widowed
>
> for a long period prior to her own death in 1818, there is at least the possibility that
>
> she returned to VA before her death if she is indeed the Elizabeth we're looking for.
>
>
>
> Anyone got Ancestry to look this one up?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>		04/13/2009 8:40:07
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1769 LWT //Re: Elizabeth Poythress PenistonLou PooleSo... This Elizabeth Peniston appears to be a Peniston BY MARRIAGE,
and nee a James. Everyone agree?

There's a lot of real interesting genealogical information in this
that touches on a lot of familiar Prince George County names, but
otherwise she doesn't seem to be directly relevant to the Rev. Francis
Poythress issue.

At least that's my take...

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 2:40 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] 1769 LWT //Re: Elizabeth Poythress Peniston

Maynard & all,

The LWT you've noted from Ancestry appears to be an earlier Elizabeth
Peniston... this LWT dated 1769, and her death at some point before
1773. Nevertheless, I'm entering it here, in the event it helps to
"sort" folks at some point in time.

The Ancestry file comes from the scanned images of the following book:
"Virginia Will Records: From The Virginia Magazines of History and
Biography, the William and Mary College Quarterly, and Tyler's
Quarterly," indexed by Judith McGhan; Genealogical Publishing Co.,
Inc., 1993.

pg 833:
"The destruction of the greater part of the Prince George County
records makes the Will and Executor's Bond found among the papers of
Charles Campbell, the historian, and given below, of interest.

"TRANSCRIPT of the last Will and Testament of Elizabeth Peniston,
heretofore of Prince George's County in the Province of Virginia,
Widow.
IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN, I Elizabeth Peniston being weak & infirm,
but of perfect Sense and Memory do make and ordain this my last Will
and Testament in Manner and form following revoking all former Wills
by me made and as to my worldly Estate I give and devise the same as
follows,
IMPRIMIS, I give and bequeath to the Son of my brother Abraham Lucas
and 'the Children of my Sister Anne James', all my Lands in the Island
of St. Eustatia, to be equally divided amongst them, to them and their
heirs forever.
ITEM, I give and bequeath to John Bland the Son of Richard, Bland, one
hundred pounds Current money.
Item, I give and bequeath to Susanna Bland the daughter of Richard
Bland fifty pounds Current money.
Item, I give and bequeath to Elizabeth Savage and her heirs for ever
the Land and plantation whereon I now live with all my Negroes and
wearing apparel, and do order & direct that Robert Batte be not
molested in the use of the Land overflowed by his Mill pond, so long
as he continues his Mill.
Item, I give and bequeath to my God daughter Martha Batte one handsome
mourning ring.
Item, I give and bequeath my household furniture & plate to my
aforesaid Brother & Sisters children to be equally divided between
them, except one bed and furniture which I give Elizabeth Savage.
Item, I give and bequeath to my Executor hereafter named five Per Cent
upon the whole Value of my Estate for his Trouble in transacting the
Business and one mourning ring of twenty Pounds Value.
(con't pg 834):
"Item, all the rest and residue of my Estate, be it of what Nature or
kind so ever, I give and bequeath to Elizabeth Savage, and it is my
Will and meaning that if the said Elizabeth Savage should die without
leaving a child, that the Land I have given to be sold, and the money
arising from the Sale be equally divided amongst my aforesaid brother
and Sisters children. And further it is my Will that if the said
Elizabeth Savage should die without a child, as aforesaid, that the
Negroes given her be equally divided amongst my aforesaid Brother and
Sisters Children, In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand &
affixed my Seal this 13th day of June 1769, & I do appoint Theodorick
Bland Executor to this Will.

The mark of (E.P.)
Elizabeth Penitson [sic, spelling as per shown in this book] (Seal)
Signed, Sealed, published and Declared by the Testatrix in presence of
Elizabeth Young
Anne Bradley
Wm. Bradley.

"Executor's Bond of the Will of Elizabeth Peniston

KNOW ALL MEN that I George Jeems [James] of the Island of St.
Eustatius, planter, Guardian of the bodies and Estates of Katherine
Jeems, Anne Jeems, Sarah Jeems, John Jeems, Mary Jeems, Adriana Jeems,
Cornelia Jeems, Peter Jeems, and George Jeems Minors the persons
meant, intended and designed by the Words. 'The Children of my Sister
Anne Jeems, in the annexed Transcript of the last Will and Testament
of Elizabeth Peniston, heretofore of Prince George's County in the
Province and Colony of Virginia, Widow, deceased, have made, ordained
and constituted, and by these presents do make, ordain and constitute,
and my place and stead put my Trusty and Loving friend Theodora Bland,
of the County and Province aforesaid, Esquire, my true and lawful
Attorney for me and in my Name, as Guardian aforesaid, and for the use
of the said Minors, my Wards, to ask, demand sue for, recover and
receive, all such Estate, Sum and Sums of Money, debts, goods, Wares,
dues, accounts and other demands whatsoever, as already have, or at
any time hereafter may, by Virtue of any Bequest or devise contained
in the aforesaid last Will & Testament of Elizabeth Peniston,
deceased, become due, owing, payable or belonging to
(cont'd pg 835)
my aforesaid Wards or any of them, & now detained, or at any time
hereafter to be detained from them or any of them, by any manner or
ways or means whatsoever by any person or persons whatsoever within
the Province of Virginia aforesaid: Giving & granting unto my said
Attorney, by these presents, my full & whole power Strength and
Authority in and about the premises; to have use and take all lawful
means and ways in my name for the recovery thereof, and upon the
Recovery and Receipt of any such Estate, debts, Dues or Sums of Money
aforesaid, Aquittances or other sufficient discharges for me, and in
my Name to make, Seal and deliver and generally all and every other
act and acts, thing & things, device and devices in the Law
whatsoever, needful or necessary to be done in or about the Premises
for the Recovery of all or any such Estate, debts, dues or Sums of
money aforesaid for me and in my name to do, Execute and perform, as
fully, largely and amply to all Intents and purposes, as I myself
might or could do, if I was personally present, or as if the matter
required more special Authority than is herein given. And Attornies
one or more, under him for the aforesaid to make and constitute and
again at pleasure to revoke. Ratifying, allowing and holding for firm
and effectual, all and whatsoever my said Attorney shall Lawfully do,
or cause to be done in and about the premises by Virtue hereof. In
Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand & Seal in the Island of
St. Eustatius aforesaid this Eleventh day of July in the Year of our
Lord, one thousand seven hundred & Seventy three.
GEORGE JEEMS (Sealed in red wax)
Signed, Sealed & delivered
in the presence of THOS WILLIAMSON
BEFORE us, the Honourable Jan Dewind, Esquire Governor over the
Islands of St. Eustatius, Soba & St Martin &c &c &c
This day personally appeared George Jeems, planter, who acknowledged
and declared that he had, in his quality of Guardian as in the
preceeding Letter or Warrant of Attorney is particularly set forth,
signed, sealed and delivered the same as his free and voluntary act
and deed for the purposes therein mentioned.
GIVEN under our hand and Seal of Government in the Island of St.
Eustatuis [sic] the 11th day of July Annoq Domini 1773
(Seal in red wax)"
-------------

My note..... that's a LOT of typing, and I'm only human. So I'm
sending the images, offlist, to you and Barbara, so you can
double-check for mistakes. It will not offend me in the least if you
discover some. 🙂

FYI... if anyone's interested in a Caribbean research "field trip" to
Statia.... I'm game! 🙂 Of course, it would be nice to discover a
Woodlief connection down there...

http://www.statiatourism.com/

Hope this helps,
Sandy



On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:33 PM, John M. Poythress
wrote:
> In one of the Ancestry.com inventories there is listed a will of
Elizabeth Peniston
>
> in Prince George County.   Since the records suggest that Elizabeth
was widowed
>
> for a long period prior to her own death in 1818, there is at least
the possibility that
>
> she returned to VA before her death if she is indeed the Elizabeth
we're looking for.
>
>
>
> Anyone got Ancestry to look this one up?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
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>


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quotes in the subject and the body of the message		04/13/2009 9:01:17
[POYTHRESS] Anthony Collins PENISTONSandyFYI, the same book containing the LWT of Sarah Peniston, also
contained the following:

1798. Call v. Ruffin
ANTHONY COLLINS PENISTON, dec'd, of Prince George county, left issue,
orphans, Samuel and Sarah Peniston. Thomas Morgan, guardian, Thomas
Woodlief and Ruffin, his securities.

A more detailed accounting of this case is found in Google Books
scanned copy of "Virginia Reports," (1730-1880), by Thomas Johnson
Michie, which contains Volumes 1 through 6 of Call's Reports.

This is on pp 131-132 in Vol. 1.

-Sandy		04/13/2009 9:45:27
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1769 LWT //Re: Elizabeth Poythress PenistonSandyI agree she's a Peniston by marriage, not by birth, Lou. I'm not
entirely clear that she was a James by birth, but I guess that's
right. (I got a bit confused by the various legatees.)

Tell you what, though... if you start searching via Google for
'Peniston' some of the names mentioned + St. Eustatia, things get
interesting. Some of the surnames associated very early-on with the
Woodlief line in England (for example, 'Calthorpe') start popping up.

Also, this bit (about which I knew nothing) and more, from
http://www.statiatourism.com/faqs.html

"In the course of the 18th century St.Eustatius developed close
historical ties with North America due to the various trades of goods.
The island played a major role as the trading- centre before and
during the American Revolution. The local wealth, as a result of the
lucrative trade in slaves and war supplies with the revoluting
American colonies, turned Statia into the "Golden Rock of the
Caribbean". Not too miss is the ammunition that was sent under
disguise to the rebels there fighting for their Independence against
Britain. For a time St.Eustatius was the only link between Europe and
the fledgling American colonies."



On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Lou Poole wrote:
> So...  This Elizabeth Peniston appears to be a Peniston BY MARRIAGE,
> and nee a James.  Everyone agree?
>
> There's a lot of real interesting genealogical information in this
> that touches on a lot of familiar Prince George County names, but
> otherwise she doesn't seem to be directly relevant to the Rev. Francis
> Poythress issue.
>
> At least that's my take...
>
> Lou Poole
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
> [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy
> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 2:40 PM
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] 1769 LWT //Re: Elizabeth Poythress Peniston
>
> Maynard & all,
>
> The LWT you've noted from Ancestry appears to be an earlier Elizabeth
> Peniston... this LWT dated 1769, and her death at some point before
> 1773. Nevertheless, I'm entering it here, in the event it helps to
> "sort" folks at some point in time.
>
> The Ancestry file comes from the scanned images of the following book:
> "Virginia Will Records: From The Virginia Magazines of History and
> Biography, the William and Mary College Quarterly, and Tyler's
> Quarterly," indexed by Judith McGhan; Genealogical Publishing Co.,
> Inc., 1993.
>
> pg 833:
> "The destruction of the greater part of the Prince George County
> records makes the  Will and Executor's Bond found among the papers of
> Charles Campbell, the historian, and given below, of interest.
>
> "TRANSCRIPT of the last Will and Testament of Elizabeth Peniston,
> heretofore of Prince George's County in the Province of Virginia,
> Widow.
> IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN, I Elizabeth Peniston being weak & infirm,
> but of perfect Sense and Memory do make and ordain this my last Will
> and Testament in Manner and form following revoking all former Wills
> by me made and as to my worldly Estate I give and devise the same as
> follows,
> IMPRIMIS, I give and bequeath to the Son of my brother Abraham Lucas
> and 'the Children of my Sister Anne James', all my Lands in the Island
> of St. Eustatia, to be equally divided amongst them, to them and their
> heirs forever.
> ITEM, I give and bequeath to John Bland the Son of Richard, Bland, one
> hundred pounds Current money.
> Item, I give and bequeath to Susanna Bland the daughter of Richard
> Bland fifty pounds Current money.
> Item, I give and bequeath to Elizabeth Savage and her heirs for ever
> the Land and plantation whereon I now live with all my Negroes and
> wearing apparel, and do order & direct that Robert Batte be not
> molested in the use of the Land overflowed by his Mill pond, so long
> as he continues his Mill.
> Item, I give and bequeath to my God daughter Martha Batte one handsome
> mourning ring.
> Item, I give and bequeath my household furniture & plate to my
> aforesaid Brother & Sisters children to be equally divided between
> them, except one bed and furniture which I give Elizabeth Savage.
> Item, I give and bequeath to my Executor hereafter named five Per Cent
> upon the whole Value of my Estate for his Trouble in transacting the
> Business and one mourning ring of twenty Pounds Value.
> (con't pg 834):
> "Item, all the rest and residue of my Estate, be it of what Nature or
> kind so ever, I give and bequeath to Elizabeth Savage, and it is my
> Will and meaning that if the said Elizabeth Savage should die without
> leaving a child, that the Land I have given to be sold, and the money
> arising from the Sale be equally divided amongst my aforesaid brother
> and Sisters children. And further it is my Will that if the said
> Elizabeth Savage should die without a child, as aforesaid, that the
> Negroes given her be equally divided amongst my aforesaid Brother and
> Sisters Children, In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand &
> affixed my Seal this 13th day of June 1769, & I do appoint Theodorick
> Bland Executor to this Will.
>
> The mark of (E.P.)
> Elizabeth Penitson [sic, spelling as per shown in this book] (Seal)
> Signed, Sealed, published and Declared by the Testatrix in presence of
> Elizabeth Young
> Anne Bradley
> Wm. Bradley.
>
> "Executor's Bond of the Will of Elizabeth Peniston
>
> KNOW ALL MEN that I George Jeems [James] of the Island of St.
> Eustatius, planter, Guardian of the bodies and Estates of Katherine
> Jeems, Anne Jeems, Sarah Jeems, John Jeems, Mary Jeems, Adriana Jeems,
> Cornelia Jeems, Peter Jeems, and George Jeems Minors the persons
> meant, intended and designed by the Words. 'The Children of my Sister
> Anne Jeems, in the annexed Transcript of the last Will and Testament
> of Elizabeth Peniston, heretofore of Prince George's County in the
> Province and Colony of Virginia, Widow, deceased, have made, ordained
> and constituted, and by these presents do make, ordain and constitute,
> and my place and stead put my Trusty and Loving friend Theodora Bland,
> of the County and Province aforesaid, Esquire, my true and lawful
> Attorney for me and in my Name, as Guardian aforesaid, and for the use
> of the said Minors, my Wards, to ask, demand sue for, recover and
> receive, all such Estate, Sum and Sums of Money, debts, goods, Wares,
> dues, accounts and other demands whatsoever, as already have, or at
> any time hereafter may, by Virtue of any Bequest or devise contained
> in the aforesaid last Will & Testament of Elizabeth Peniston,
> deceased, become due, owing, payable or belonging to
> (cont'd pg 835)
> my aforesaid Wards or any of them, & now detained, or at any time
> hereafter to be detained from them or any of them, by any manner or
> ways or means whatsoever by any person or persons whatsoever within
> the Province of Virginia aforesaid: Giving & granting unto my said
> Attorney, by these presents, my full & whole power Strength and
> Authority in and about the premises; to have use and take all lawful
> means and ways in my name for the recovery thereof, and upon the
> Recovery and Receipt of any such Estate, debts, Dues or Sums of Money
> aforesaid, Aquittances or other sufficient discharges for me, and in
> my Name to make, Seal and deliver and generally all and every other
> act and acts, thing & things, device and devices in the Law
> whatsoever, needful or necessary to be done in or about the Premises
> for the Recovery of all or any such Estate, debts, dues or Sums of
> money aforesaid for me and in my name to do, Execute and perform, as
> fully, largely and amply to all Intents and purposes, as I myself
> might or could do, if I was personally present, or as if the matter
> required more special Authority than is herein given. And Attornies
> one or more, under him for the aforesaid to make and constitute and
> again at pleasure to revoke. Ratifying, allowing and holding for firm
> and effectual, all and whatsoever my said Attorney shall Lawfully do,
> or cause to be done in and about the premises by Virtue hereof. In
> Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand & Seal in the Island of
> St. Eustatius aforesaid this Eleventh day of July in the Year of our
> Lord, one thousand seven hundred & Seventy three.
> GEORGE JEEMS (Sealed in red wax)
> Signed, Sealed & delivered
> in the presence of THOS WILLIAMSON
> BEFORE us, the Honourable Jan Dewind, Esquire Governor over the
> Islands of St. Eustatius, Soba & St Martin &c &c &c
> This day personally appeared George Jeems, planter, who acknowledged
> and declared that he had, in his quality of Guardian as in the
> preceeding Letter or Warrant of Attorney is particularly set forth,
> signed, sealed and delivered the same as his free and voluntary act
> and deed for the purposes therein mentioned.
> GIVEN under our hand and Seal of Government in the Island of St.
> Eustatuis [sic] the 11th day of July Annoq Domini 1773
> (Seal in red wax)"
> -------------
>
> My note..... that's a LOT of typing, and I'm only human. So I'm
> sending the images, offlist, to you and Barbara, so you can
> double-check for mistakes. It will not offend me in the least if you
> discover some. 🙂
>
> FYI... if anyone's interested in a Caribbean research "field trip" to
> Statia.... I'm game! 🙂 Of course, it would be nice to discover a
> Woodlief connection down there...
>
> http://www.statiatourism.com/
>
> Hope this helps,
> Sandy
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:33 PM, John M. Poythress
> wrote:
>> In one of the Ancestry.com inventories there is listed a will of
> Elizabeth Peniston
>>
>> in Prince George County.   Since the records suggest that Elizabeth
> was widowed
>>
>> for a long period prior to her own death in 1818, there is at least
> the possibility that
>>
>> she returned to VA before her death if she is indeed the Elizabeth
> we're looking for.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone got Ancestry to look this one up?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maynard
>>
>>
>>
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>		04/13/2009 9:57:20
Re: [POYTHRESS] Penniston & Pryor sisters of Francis Poythress preacherSandyBarbara,

I truly agree with your observations. It's my greatest hope that we
will all take the time to document the "preponderance of evidence"
that leads us to deduce various relationships in our research.

True "proof" is a rare commodity in genealogical research,
particularly when it comes to those who lived in early Virginia. It's
easy enough to cite a particular document when it offers "proof" of a
relationship... but all too often there is no such document, so we
deduce relationships based upon the "greater preponderance of
evidence" that we've examined. That's of no help whatsoever if we fail
to spell-out the details of precisely what evidence was examined.

All genealogy is "ongoing research" that in all likelihood will be
revised (and more than once) over time as researchers assemble various
pieces to a larger puzzle. New (or merely "freshly examined") pieces
may well dispute, or at least call into question, that which was
previously "believed" to be the case.

Research that cautiously employs the language, "based upon...,"
"appears to be," "is indicative of...," and "according to....," is far
and away a better contribution to the greater body of ongoing research
than are statements which assert lineages "as if" they are flat-out
"fact."

-Sandy

On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> But what I haven't seen is any definitive source cited for any of that.  I
> want to see more than just a line of descent sketched out and apparently
> sent with a 1922 query to Mr. Torrence (presumably Clayton Torrence), asking
> him to look at these papers and evaluate them, as mentioned by Maynard in
> his 13 Jun 1997 email to our Poythress List of subscribers.  That email
> sprung from Maynard's examination of the Torrence Family Papers [filed as
> MSS/T6355d at the Virginia Historical Society, Richmond, VA], in which that
> sketched-out 12-generation line of descent included the following
> descendants from immigrant Francis Poythress (with him being the 1st
> generation) in the 7th generation:
>   7. Elizabeth Poythress (1765-1818) m. 1783 Anthony Peniston (1764-1797)
>   7. Also Generation #7 and left no heirs, which we know: Francis
> Poythress.
>       The notes say: "died a bachelor. M. E. Minister in NC, VA, & KY (see
>       Sprague's Annals of American Pulpit, Vol. 7, page 164"
>   7. _______ the other [unnamed sibling; or "sister" as stated in Maynard's
>
>       message]
>
> As Maynard pointed out in that June 1997 email (1) the 12-generation line of
> descent as sketched out looked like material to submit to a lineage society,
> and (2) the Torrence Family Papers gave no indication that any evaluation
> was performed by Torrence.
>
> We must keep in mind that for decades, many men and women claimed certain
> lines of descent without giving documentary sources for the marriages,
> births, and deaths in their lineage society application forms;  some of them
> made mistakes in connecting families and the support for those connections
> weren't verified.
>
> As phrased by Maynard or by Michael Tutor, when a few years ago working on
> combining into one Poythress Study, the various lengthy List messages
> Michael had produced regarding different generations of early Poythress
> people in America:
>     [T]he first potential for error in this approach lies in the
> “assignment” of an activity and/or an historical record to “the wrong
> Poythress.”
>
> If anyone can point to any clear proof (whether documentary info, or any
> persuasive gathering of circumstantial info) to indicate preacher Francis
> Poythress and/or his sister Mrs. Susannah Pryor was/were (1) sibling of
> Elizabeth Poythress who married Anthony Peniston; and/or (2) children of
> William Poythress and grandson of Robert Poythress & Elizabeth Cocke, I'd
> greatly appreciate hearing about it.  Thanks.
> Bpn
>
> -------------------------------		04/13/2009 11:22:45
[POYTHRESS] LWT = Last Will & TestamentBarbara NealWhile away from home & computer all day yesterday, from seeing captions of
emails on my Palm Treo, I puzzled over "what in the world is LWT?"
Obviously not "Light-weight." Nothing beginning with "Legal" as the first
word would seem to work for a "Wt." I guess since I've just always called
the document a "Will," the term "Last Will & Testament" never popped into my
brain. Glad to be able to read the whole of messages today, and have the
mystery solved.

It was a humbling reminder that our brains have their own accustomed-way of
storing & retrieving words & acrnyms;)
Bpn



04/14/2009 5:08:52
[POYTHRESS] VA-SOUTHSIDE Digest,John M. PoythressThis was posted on the VA-Southside site by one Paul Drake,
a genealogist of what seems to be considerable repute among
most of the Virginia searchers. I found it quite interesting.
Maynard





I have been asked several times to explain who could do what with what at what age in
Colonial VA

Try this by Robert Baird:

http://www.genfiles.com/legal/legalage.htm

Paul




04/15/2009 9:08:15
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1769 LWT //Re: Elizabeth Poythress PenistonSandyWell, Maynard..... let me save you a bit of trouble here.

I seem to have had a fumble fingers moment. "Theodora" appears to be my typo
and should read "Theodorick."

Now you know why I sent you and Barbara the original images -- you can't
count on me for squat. 🙂

Sorry 'bout that. I don't think they were "esquiring" females back then (are
we esquiring them now?).

Anyway, my apologies.

-Sandy

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:18 AM, John M. Poythress
wrote:

I will note with interest that George Jeems, who married Elizabeth’s sister,
> Anne Peniston
> James (Jeems),and was the guardian for the sister’s children as downsteam
> contingent
> legatees in 1773, chose “Trusty and Loving friend Theodora Bland, of the
> County and
> Province aforesaid, Esquire, my true and lawful Attorney for me, etc.”
>
>
>
> Well, just shooting from the hip I’d say Theodora Bland is a dead ringer to
> be the
> daughter of the original executor Theodorick Bland but she presents (to me
> at any rate)
> problems:
>
>
>
> First, Theodorick Bland didn’t die until 1789 so he was alive (49 years
>
> old) at the time of Jeems 1773 petition……but Jeems could have chosen anyone
> he liked.
>
>		04/17/2009 6:00:28
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1769 LWT //Re: Elizabeth Poythress PenistonLou PooleTheodora Bland both as "Esquire" and "lawful Attorney" not leaving
much doubt as to her capacity. As I recall, in that time one could
qualify as a lawyer merely by "reading" for a certain period with an
existing lawyer which was not necessarily a great barrier.
However, my sense of that period is there would be some unenlightened
barriers for Theodora. Still, Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice
(albeit fictional) has a lady lawyer named Portia and that was written
in 1600. History comments welcomed.

I think I can at least answer the part above that Maynard asked.
Recall that words and terminology of that day did not mean what they
mean today. "Lawful Attorney" in that time meant literally a legally
appointed representative, and did not immediately conjure up visions
of a well-appointed office with diplomas hanging on the walls, a
three-piece suit, and wing-tipped shoes (well, you get the idea). Two
of the most common legally appointed representative jobs that a woman
of that period could undertake were those entailed in her appointment
to handle the affairs of her husband, for example, by a
Power-of-Attorney, or by being named as Executrix of a will.
(Actually, legally, those concepts are as valid today, except that the
three-piece lawyer types have usurped the use of the word "attorney").

I have no explanation, however, for why and how she would be referred
to as "Esquire," unless that term could sometimes mean "Gentlewoman,"
though I've never seen another example of this use.

Lou Poole		04/17/2009 6:12:33
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1769 LWT //Re: Elizabeth Poythress PenistonJohn M. PoythressSandyneat job digging out that will of Elizabeth Peniston. Probabilities suggested she
was indeed an earlier generation but it was maybe worth a shot in the dark. Interesting
that this Elizabeth Peniston was not without Poythress connections herself and will be an
addition to our database.



The 1769 E. P. will has three children of Anne Poythress (BGA) and Richard Bland:

--Theodorick Bland, b. 1744 was executor.5% of the estate.

--John Bland, b. 1739 was a legatee, £100

--Susan Bland, b. 1752 was a legatee, £50



The possibility of Susan Bland being next generation Susan Poythress

(BHA H) with a husband the later Richard Bland (or even a daughter of theirs) is
eliminated. Elizabeth Penistons will is dated 13 June 1769. Susannah Poythress (BHA H)
wasnt born herself until 16 Oct 1769, let alone being married to Richard Bland.



I drew a blank on Elizabeth Savage.



Interesting that 21 years after the will, the Mill Pond shows up in a Green to William
Poythress, Jr. deed of 296 acres, bounded by Robert Batte, the Mill Pond, Colonel Peter
Epes, etc. Robert Batte would be 63 in this 1790 PG deed, presumably still using the
land overflowed by his Mill Pond.



My best handle on Robert Batte b. 16 Oct 1727 is that he married Martha Peterson, b. abt.
1731, (a surname not unknown to us). They had a daughter Martha b. abt. 1760. I
tentatively place her as legatee for: my God daughter Martha Batte one handsome mourning
ring. I can find no other Martha Batte to fit the time frame and the surrounding
surnames. An eight year old God daughter with a family connection suggests this to be a
reasonable placement.



I will note with interest that George Jeems, who married Elizabeths sister, Anne Peniston
James (Jeems),and was the guardian for the sisters children as downsteam contingent
legatees in 1773, chose Trusty and Loving friend Theodora Bland, of the County and
Province aforesaid, Esquire, my true and lawful Attorney for me, etc.



Well, just shooting from the hip Id say Theodora Bland is a dead ringer to be the
daughter of the original executor Theodorick Bland but she presents (to me at any rate)
problems:



First, Theodorick Bland didnt die until 1789 so he was alive (49 years

old) at the time of Jeems 1773 petitionbut Jeems could have chosen anyone he liked.



Second, Theodoricks 1789 will (RBB card 93) cites wife Martha as exector and nephews
Robert Banister, and Theodorick Bland Randolph plus a John Randolph otherwise
unidentified..implying of course that Theodora was not a daughter unless she had died or
perhaps married John Randolph. The best guess would appear to be that she was not his
daughter.



Third, I could not find a Theodora Bland anywhere. A Theodora Bland b. Nottaway 1848 d.
Chesterfield 1867 is all over VA records but is out of the time parameters.



Lastly, and this is a sociology question rather than a genealogical one: could a woman be
a lawyer in 1773? The petition of George Jeems identifies

Theodora Bland both as Esquire and lawful Attorney not leaving much doubt as to her
capacity. As I recall, in that time one could qualify as a lawyer merely by reading for
a certain period with an existing lawyer which was not necessarily a great barrier.
However, my sense of that period is there would be some unenlightened barriers for
Theodora. Still, Shakespeares Merchant of Venice (albeit fictional) has a lady lawyer
named Portia and that was written in 1600. History comments welcomed.



At any rate, Theodora Bland remains unidentified to me. She is nowhere referred to as
she in Jeems Letter of Warrant so a million to one shot might say they just misspelled
Theodoricks name and made him a Theodora. However, that document shows considerable
professionalism, I wouldnt think likely to make that mistake.



Im confident one of you will pull Theodora Bland out of the woodwork in a nanosecond so
Ill wait for the correction.



Maynard















-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
Sandy
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 3:40
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] 1769 LWT //Re: Elizabeth Poythress Peniston



Maynard & all,



The LWT you've noted from Ancestry appears to be an earlier Elizabeth

Peniston... this LWT dated 1769, and her death at some point before

1773. Nevertheless, I'm entering it here, in the event it helps to

"sort" folks at some point in time.



The Ancestry file comes from the scanned images of the following book:

"Virginia Will Records: From The Virginia Magazines of History and

Biography, the William and Mary College Quarterly, and Tyler's

Quarterly," indexed by Judith McGhan; Genealogical Publishing Co.,

Inc., 1993.



pg 833:

"The destruction of the greater part of the Prince George County

records makes the Will and Executor's Bond found among the papers of

Charles Campbell, the historian, and given below, of interest.



"TRANSCRIPT of the last Will and Testament of Elizabeth Peniston,

heretofore of Prince George's County in the Province of Virginia,

Widow.

IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN, I Elizabeth Peniston being weak & infirm,

but of perfect Sense and Memory do make and ordain this my last Will

and Testament in Manner and form following revoking all former Wills

by me made and as to my worldly Estate I give and devise the same as

follows,

IMPRIMIS, I give and bequeath to the Son of my brother Abraham Lucas

and 'the Children of my Sister Anne James', all my Lands in the Island

of St. Eustatia, to be equally divided amongst them, to them and their

heirs forever.

ITEM, I give and bequeath to John Bland the Son of Richard, Bland, one

hundred pounds Current money.

Item, I give and bequeath to Susanna Bland the daughter of Richard

Bland fifty pounds Current money.

Item, I give and bequeath to Elizabeth Savage and her heirs for ever

the Land and plantation whereon I now live with all my Negroes and

wearing apparel, and do order & direct that Robert Batte be not

molested in the use of the Land overflowed by his Mill pond, so long

as he continues his Mill.

Item, I give and bequeath to my God daughter Martha Batte one handsome

mourning ring.

Item, I give and bequeath my household furniture & plate to my

aforesaid Brother & Sisters children to be equally divided between

them, except one bed and furniture which I give Elizabeth Savage.

Item, I give and bequeath to my Executor hereafter named five Per Cent

upon the whole Value of my Estate for his Trouble in transacting the

Business and one mourning ring of twenty Pounds Value.

(con't pg 834):

"Item, all the rest and residue of my Estate, be it of what Nature or

kind so ever, I give and bequeath to Elizabeth Savage, and it is my

Will and meaning that if the said Elizabeth Savage should die without

leaving a child, that the Land I have given to be sold, and the money

arising from the Sale be equally divided amongst my aforesaid brother

and Sisters children. And further it is my Will that if the said

Elizabeth Savage should die without a child, as aforesaid, that the

Negroes given her be equally divided amongst my aforesaid Brother and

Sisters Children, In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand &

affixed my Seal this 13th day of June 1769, & I do appoint Theodorick

Bland Executor to this Will.



The mark of (E.P.)

Elizabeth Penitson [sic, spelling as per shown in this book] (Seal)

Signed, Sealed, published and Declared by the Testatrix in presence of

Elizabeth Young

Anne Bradley

Wm. Bradley.



"Executor's Bond of the Will of Elizabeth Peniston



KNOW ALL MEN that I George Jeems [James] of the Island of St.

Eustatius, planter, Guardian of the bodies and Estates of Katherine

Jeems, Anne Jeems, Sarah Jeems, John Jeems, Mary Jeems, Adriana Jeems,

Cornelia Jeems, Peter Jeems, and George Jeems Minors the persons

meant, intended and designed by the Words. 'The Children of my Sister

Anne Jeems, in the annexed Transcript of the last Will and Testament

of Elizabeth Peniston, heretofore of Prince George's County in the

Province and Colony of Virginia, Widow, deceased, have made, ordained

and constituted, and by these presents do make, ordain and constitute,

and my place and stead put my Trusty and Loving friend Theodora Bland,

of the County and Province aforesaid, Esquire, my true and lawful

Attorney for me and in my Name, as Guardian aforesaid, and for the use

of the said Minors, my Wards, to ask, demand sue for, recover and

receive, all such Estate, Sum and Sums of Money, debts, goods, Wares,

dues, accounts and other demands whatsoever, as already have, or at

any time hereafter may, by Virtue of any Bequest or devise contained

in the aforesaid last Will & Testament of Elizabeth Peniston,

deceased, become due, owing, payable or belonging to

(cont'd pg 835)

my aforesaid Wards or any of them, & now detained, or at any time

hereafter to be detained from them or any of them, by any manner or

ways or means whatsoever by any person or persons whatsoever within

the Province of Virginia aforesaid: Giving & granting unto my said

Attorney, by these presents, my full & whole power Strength and

Authority in and about the premises; to have use and take all lawful

means and ways in my name for the recovery thereof, and upon the

Recovery and Receipt of any such Estate, debts, Dues or Sums of Money

aforesaid, Aquittances or other sufficient discharges for me, and in

my Name to make, Seal and deliver and generally all and every other

act and acts, thing & things, device and devices in the Law

whatsoever, needful or necessary to be done in or about the Premises

for the Recovery of all or any such Estate, debts, dues or Sums of

money aforesaid for me and in my name to do, Execute and perform, as

fully, largely and amply to all Intents and purposes, as I myself

might or could do, if I was personally present, or as if the matter

required more special Authority than is herein given. And Attornies

one or more, under him for the aforesaid to make and constitute and

again at pleasure to revoke. Ratifying, allowing and holding for firm

and effectual, all and whatsoever my said Attorney shall Lawfully do,

or cause to be done in and about the premises by Virtue hereof. In

Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand & Seal in the Island of

St. Eustatius aforesaid this Eleventh day of July in the Year of our

Lord, one thousand seven hundred & Seventy three.

GEORGE JEEMS (Sealed in red wax)

Signed, Sealed & delivered

in the presence of THOS WILLIAMSON

BEFORE us, the Honourable Jan Dewind, Esquire Governor over the

Islands of St. Eustatius, Soba & St Martin &c &c &c

This day personally appeared George Jeems, planter, who acknowledged

and declared that he had, in his quality of Guardian as in the

preceeding Letter or Warrant of Attorney is particularly set forth,

signed, sealed and delivered the same as his free and voluntary act

and deed for the purposes therein mentioned.

GIVEN under our hand and Seal of Government in the Island of St.

Eustatuis [sic] the 11th day of July Annoq Domini 1773

(Seal in red wax)"

-------------



My note..... that's a LOT of typing, and I'm only human. So I'm

sending the images, offlist, to you and Barbara, so you can

double-check for mistakes. It will not offend me in the least if you

discover some. 🙂



FYI... if anyone's interested in a Caribbean research "field trip" to

Statia.... I'm game! 🙂 Of course, it would be nice to discover a

Woodlief connection down there...



http://www.statiatourism.com/



Hope this helps,

Sandy







On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:33 PM, John M. Poythress

wrote:

> In one of the Ancestry.com inventories there is listed a will of Elizabeth Peniston

>

> in Prince George County. Since the records suggest that Elizabeth was widowed

>

> for a long period prior to her own death in 1818, there is at least the possibility that

>

> she returned to VA before her death if she is indeed the Elizabeth we're looking for.

>

>

>

> Anyone got Ancestry to look this one up?

>

>

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

> Maynard

>

>

>

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Re: [POYTHRESS] 1769 LWT //Re: Elizabeth Poythress PenistonSandyNot Theodora.... 'twaz "Theodorick." My typo; my bad; my sorry.
-Sandy

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Lou Poole wrote:

> Theodora Bland both as "Esquire" and "lawful Attorney" not leaving
> much doubt as to her capacity. As I recall, in that time one could
> qualify as a lawyer merely by "reading" for a certain period with an
> existing lawyer which was not necessarily a great barrier.
> However, my sense of that period is there would be some unenlightened
> barriers for Theodora. Still, Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice
> (albeit fictional) has a lady lawyer named Portia and that was written
> in 1600. History comments welcomed.
>
> I think I can at least answer the part above that Maynard asked.
> Recall that words and terminology of that day did not mean what they
> mean today. "Lawful Attorney" in that time meant literally a legally
> appointed representative, and did not immediately conjure up visions
> of a well-appointed office with diplomas hanging on the walls, a
> three-piece suit, and wing-tipped shoes (well, you get the idea). Two
> of the most common legally appointed representative jobs that a woman
> of that period could undertake were those entailed in her appointment
> to handle the affairs of her husband, for example, by a
> Power-of-Attorney, or by being named as Executrix of a will.
> (Actually, legally, those concepts are as valid today, except that the
> three-piece lawyer types have usurped the use of the word "attorney").
>
> I have no explanation, however, for why and how she would be referred
> to as "Esquire," unless that term could sometimes mean "Gentlewoman,"
> though I've never seen another example of this use.
>
> Lou Poole
>
>
> -------------------------------
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>		04/17/2009 6:20:21
[POYTHRESS] CORRECTION // Re: 1769 LWT //Re: Elizabeth Poythress PenistonSandyPlease note the following correction....
as you will see in the transcript of the original will, Elizabeth Peniston
names THEODORICK BLAND as executor:
"In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand &
affixed my Seal this 13th day of June 1769, & I do appoint Theodorick
Bland Executor to this Will."

Please note I have made a TYPO in the next section.... i.e., "Executor's
Bond of the Will of Elizabeth Peniston" -- and inadvertently typed
"Theodorick's name as "Theodora."

That section SHOULD read:
"... in the annexed Transcript of the last Will and Testament
of Elizabeth Peniston, heretofore of Prince George's County in the
Province and Colony of Virginia, Widow, deceased, have made, ordained
and constituted, and by these presents do make, ordain and constitute,
and my place and stead put my Trusty and Loving friend THEODORICK BLAND,
of the County and Province aforesaid, Esquire, my true and lawful
Attorney..."
(NOTE: the all caps emphasis is mine)

Sorry for any confusion.
-Sandy


On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Sandy wrote:

> Maynard & all,
>
> The LWT you've noted from Ancestry appears to be an earlier Elizabeth
> Peniston... this LWT dated 1769, and her death at some point before
> 1773. Nevertheless, I'm entering it here, in the event it helps to
> "sort" folks at some point in time.
>
> The Ancestry file comes from the scanned images of the following book:
> "Virginia Will Records: From The Virginia Magazines of History and
> Biography, the William and Mary College Quarterly, and Tyler's
> Quarterly," indexed by Judith McGhan; Genealogical Publishing Co.,
> Inc., 1993.
>
> pg 833:
> "The destruction of the greater part of the Prince George County
> records makes the Will and Executor's Bond found among the papers of
> Charles Campbell, the historian, and given below, of interest.
>
> "TRANSCRIPT of the last Will and Testament of Elizabeth Peniston,
> heretofore of Prince George's County in the Province of Virginia,
> Widow.
> IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN, I Elizabeth Peniston being weak & infirm,
> but of perfect Sense and Memory do make and ordain this my last Will
> and Testament in Manner and form following revoking all former Wills
> by me made and as to my worldly Estate I give and devise the same as
> follows,
> IMPRIMIS, I give and bequeath to the Son of my brother Abraham Lucas
> and 'the Children of my Sister Anne James', all my Lands in the Island
> of St. Eustatia, to be equally divided amongst them, to them and their
> heirs forever.
> ITEM, I give and bequeath to John Bland the Son of Richard, Bland, one
> hundred pounds Current money.
> Item, I give and bequeath to Susanna Bland the daughter of Richard
> Bland fifty pounds Current money.
> Item, I give and bequeath to Elizabeth Savage and her heirs for ever
> the Land and plantation whereon I now live with all my Negroes and
> wearing apparel, and do order & direct that Robert Batte be not
> molested in the use of the Land overflowed by his Mill pond, so long
> as he continues his Mill.
> Item, I give and bequeath to my God daughter Martha Batte one handsome
> mourning ring.
> Item, I give and bequeath my household furniture & plate to my
> aforesaid Brother & Sisters children to be equally divided between
> them, except one bed and furniture which I give Elizabeth Savage.
> Item, I give and bequeath to my Executor hereafter named five Per Cent
> upon the whole Value of my Estate for his Trouble in transacting the
> Business and one mourning ring of twenty Pounds Value.
> (con't pg 834):
> "Item, all the rest and residue of my Estate, be it of what Nature or
> kind so ever, I give and bequeath to Elizabeth Savage, and it is my
> Will and meaning that if the said Elizabeth Savage should die without
> leaving a child, that the Land I have given to be sold, and the money
> arising from the Sale be equally divided amongst my aforesaid brother
> and Sisters children. And further it is my Will that if the said
> Elizabeth Savage should die without a child, as aforesaid, that the
> Negroes given her be equally divided amongst my aforesaid Brother and
> Sisters Children, In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand &
> affixed my Seal this 13th day of June 1769, & I do appoint Theodorick
> Bland Executor to this Will.
>
> The mark of (E.P.)
> Elizabeth Penitson [sic, spelling as per shown in this book] (Seal)
> Signed, Sealed, published and Declared by the Testatrix in presence of
> Elizabeth Young
> Anne Bradley
> Wm. Bradley.
>
> "Executor's Bond of the Will of Elizabeth Peniston
>
> KNOW ALL MEN that I George Jeems [James] of the Island of St.
> Eustatius, planter, Guardian of the bodies and Estates of Katherine
> Jeems, Anne Jeems, Sarah Jeems, John Jeems, Mary Jeems, Adriana Jeems,
> Cornelia Jeems, Peter Jeems, and George Jeems Minors the persons
> meant, intended and designed by the Words. 'The Children of my Sister
> Anne Jeems, in the annexed Transcript of the last Will and Testament
> of Elizabeth Peniston, heretofore of Prince George's County in the
> Province and Colony of Virginia, Widow, deceased, have made, ordained
> and constituted, and by these presents do make, ordain and constitute,
> and my place and stead put my Trusty and Loving friend Theodora Bland,
> of the County and Province aforesaid, Esquire, my true and lawful
> Attorney for me and in my Name, as Guardian aforesaid, and for the use
> of the said Minors, my Wards, to ask, demand sue for, recover and
> receive, all such Estate, Sum and Sums of Money, debts, goods, Wares,
> dues, accounts and other demands whatsoever, as already have, or at
> any time hereafter may, by Virtue of any Bequest or devise contained
> in the aforesaid last Will & Testament of Elizabeth Peniston,
> deceased, become due, owing, payable or belonging to
> (cont'd pg 835)
> my aforesaid Wards or any of them, & now detained, or at any time
> hereafter to be detained from them or any of them, by any manner or
> ways or means whatsoever by any person or persons whatsoever within
> the Province of Virginia aforesaid: Giving & granting unto my said
> Attorney, by these presents, my full & whole power Strength and
> Authority in and about the premises; to have use and take all lawful
> means and ways in my name for the recovery thereof, and upon the
> Recovery and Receipt of any such Estate, debts, Dues or Sums of Money
> aforesaid, Aquittances or other sufficient discharges for me, and in
> my Name to make, Seal and deliver and generally all and every other
> act and acts, thing & things, device and devices in the Law
> whatsoever, needful or necessary to be done in or about the Premises
> for the Recovery of all or any such Estate, debts, dues or Sums of
> money aforesaid for me and in my name to do, Execute and perform, as
> fully, largely and amply to all Intents and purposes, as I myself
> might or could do, if I was personally present, or as if the matter
> required more special Authority than is herein given. And Attornies
> one or more, under him for the aforesaid to make and constitute and
> again at pleasure to revoke. Ratifying, allowing and holding for firm
> and effectual, all and whatsoever my said Attorney shall Lawfully do,
> or cause to be done in and about the premises by Virtue hereof. In
> Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand & Seal in the Island of
> St. Eustatius aforesaid this Eleventh day of July in the Year of our
> Lord, one thousand seven hundred & Seventy three.
> GEORGE JEEMS (Sealed in red wax)
> Signed, Sealed & delivered
> in the presence of THOS WILLIAMSON
> BEFORE us, the Honourable Jan Dewind, Esquire Governor over the
> Islands of St. Eustatius, Soba & St Martin &c &c &c
> This day personally appeared George Jeems, planter, who acknowledged
> and declared that he had, in his quality of Guardian as in the
> preceeding Letter or Warrant of Attorney is particularly set forth,
> signed, sealed and delivered the same as his free and voluntary act
> and deed for the purposes therein mentioned.
> GIVEN under our hand and Seal of Government in the Island of St.
> Eustatuis [sic] the 11th day of July Annoq Domini 1773
> (Seal in red wax)"
> -------------
>
> My note..... that's a LOT of typing, and I'm only human. So I'm
> sending the images, offlist, to you and Barbara, so you can
> double-check for mistakes. It will not offend me in the least if you
> discover some. 🙂
>
> FYI... if anyone's interested in a Caribbean research "field trip" to
> Statia.... I'm game! 🙂 Of course, it would be nice to discover a
> Woodlief connection down there...
>
> http://www.statiatourism.com/
>
> Hope this helps,
> Sandy
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:33 PM, John M. Poythress
> wrote:
> > In one of the Ancestry.com inventories there is listed a will of
> Elizabeth Peniston
> >
> > in Prince George County. Since the records suggest that Elizabeth was
> widowed
> >
> > for a long period prior to her own death in 1818, there is at least the
> possibility that
> >
> > she returned to VA before her death if she is indeed the Elizabeth we're
> looking for.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone got Ancestry to look this one up?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Maynard
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------
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> POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
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> >
>		04/17/2009 6:31:14
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Church, you all are wonderful people making a huge contribution in many ways.



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[POYTHRESS] Deed 1785 Northampton Co, NC to Odom Potress from Thos WilliamsBarbara Neal>From Northampton Co, NC Deed Book 10, pp.51-52, seen in FHL film film 19,423
Bpn transcribed this Deed from Thomas Williams to Odom Potress [Poythress]
for 100 acres in Northampton Co, NC, made 9 Feb 1785 and registered 22 Jun
1795, for consideration of 32 £. Note: FHL Film 19,423 covers Northampton
Co, NC Deed books 9-11. Spellings etc are from the original; square
brackets contain my comments.

= =

William [sic; should be Williams] to Potress
This indenture made this ninth day of February 1785 Between Thomas Williams
of Northampton County & State of North Carolina & Odom Potress of the Same
County & State the other part Witnesseth that Thomas Williams for and in
Consideration of the Sum of Thirty two pounds proch[?] Money paid in hand by
Odom Potress the receipt Whereof the Said [struck out here is "Odom
Potress"] Thomas Williams doth grant bargain & Sell and by these doth grant
Sell & aline & Confirm unto Odom Potress or his heirs or assigns forever
free and clear of all encumbrances a Certain tract or parcell of land
Situate lying & being in Northampton County & State of North Carolina by
Estimation One hundred acres be the Same more or less Begining on a Willow
Oak on Cuthbert to Staffords line Thence along Staffords line to a white Oak
on Bill [or Ball; the word looks like Ball but with a dot over the stem of
the "a"] Ellises line in a branch from Thence down the Branch to Jack Swamp
from thence the Swamp to a branch on the South Side from thence up the
Branch to the head [or heart?] from thence along John McGregors to his
Corner black Jack from Thence along a Chopt line to the first Station to
have and to hold all the Woods premitive Commodities advantages &
appurtenances Whatsoever to the Same belonging or any wise appertaining &
also Reversion & Reversions Remainder and Remainders Rents Tours[?] Surveys
of the Said premises thereof unto the Said Odom Potress his heirs or assigns
to the only proper use of the Said Odom Potress his heirs & assigns forever
& the Said Thomas Williams doth Covenant and agree to and with the Said
Odom Potress his heirs and assigns forever that he will for himself &
against all other persons Whatsoever the above premises forever defend In
Witness whereof The Said Thomas Williams hath hereunto set his hand &
affixed his Seal this day and year above Written---
Signd Seald & delivered in the presents of us
Henry Meacham, Charles Hodges
Thomas Williams (Seal)
Northampton County June
Court 1793 This deed was
duly Acknowledged & Ordered to be Registered, Registered June the 22nd 1795
Witness E. Haynes CCt
Test James Dancy P Registerr		04/22/2009 3:52:08
Re: [POYTHRESS] Deed 1785 Northampton Co, NC to Odom Potress from Thos WilliamsSandyBarbara, might be only a coincidence, but Major Peter Woodlief (b ca 1761 -
d. 1816 "at his seat" in Prince George Co) was also in Northampton Co., NC.
This Maj. Peter was married (1) to Ann Poythress (nee: Bland) Morrison, d/o
Richard Bland & Mary Bolling, and widow of John Morrison; and (2) on 4 July
1813 to Rebecca (nee Cocke), widow of George Ruffin.
He served as a member of the NC House of Representatives (or Commons) from
Northampton Co. in 1803, 1811 and 1812. He's found enumerated in the 1810
Northampton Co. census with what appear to be his 3 daughters and also with
56 slaves, 2 looms and 1,000 yards of cotton cloth.

However.... I haven't found any deeds for Peter in Northampton County, nor
is there a Northampton Co. estate record for Peter.

This Peter's father was the Peter Woodlief who d. bef. 1772, an executor,
along with William Cryor/Cryer, of Charles Poythress.

The only other Northampton Co. record I've found for Peter was in March
Court 1813 when his oath proved a codicil of the will of one Joshua Vincent.
Vincent's will was proved on the oath of Catherine Rainey in Dec. Court
1813. In June Court 1814, there was a petition by Thomas Moss & wife
against Michael, James and Lucy Vincent to re-hear the probate of Joshua
Vincent's will.

I'm posting this because there seems to be a missing piece in here
somewhere, so perhaps something in the Poythress research might turn up the
piece that's missing.

-Sandy


On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> >From Northampton Co, NC Deed Book 10, pp.51-52, seen in FHL film film
> 19,423
> Bpn transcribed this Deed from Thomas Williams to Odom Potress [Poythress]
> for 100 acres in Northampton Co, NC, made 9 Feb 1785 and registered 22 Jun
> 1795, for consideration of 32 £. Note: FHL Film 19,423 covers Northampton
> Co, NC Deed books 9-11. Spellings etc are from the original; square
> brackets contain my comments.
>
> = =
>
> William [sic; should be Williams] to Potress
> This indenture made this ninth day of February 1785 Between Thomas Williams
> of Northampton County & State of North Carolina & Odom Potress of the Same
> County & State the other part Witnesseth that Thomas Williams for and in
> Consideration of the Sum of Thirty two pounds proch[?] Money paid in hand
> by
> Odom Potress the receipt Whereof the Said [struck out here is "Odom
> Potress"] Thomas Williams doth grant bargain & Sell and by these doth grant
> Sell & aline & Confirm unto Odom Potress or his heirs or assigns forever
> free and clear of all encumbrances a Certain tract or parcell of land
> Situate lying & being in Northampton County & State of North Carolina by
> Estimation One hundred acres be the Same more or less Begining on a Willow
> Oak on Cuthbert to Staffords line Thence along Staffords line to a white
> Oak
> on Bill [or Ball; the word looks like Ball but with a dot over the stem of
> the "a"] Ellises line in a branch from Thence down the Branch to Jack Swamp
> from thence the Swamp to a branch on the South Side from thence up the
> Branch to the head [or heart?] from thence along John McGregors to his
> Corner black Jack from Thence along a Chopt line to the first Station to
> have and to hold all the Woods premitive Commodities advantages &
> appurtenances Whatsoever to the Same belonging or any wise appertaining &
> also Reversion & Reversions Remainder and Remainders Rents Tours[?] Surveys
> of the Said premises thereof unto the Said Odom Potress his heirs or
> assigns
> to the only proper use of the Said Odom Potress his heirs & assigns forever
> & the Said Thomas Williams doth Covenant and agree to and with the Said
> Odom Potress his heirs and assigns forever that he will for himself &
> against all other persons Whatsoever the above premises forever defend In
> Witness whereof The Said Thomas Williams hath hereunto set his hand &
> affixed his Seal this day and year above Written---
> Signd Seald & delivered in the presents of us
> Henry Meacham, Charles Hodges
> Thomas Williams (Seal)
> Northampton County June
> Court 1793 This deed was
> duly Acknowledged & Ordered to be Registered, Registered June the 22nd 1795
> Witness E. Haynes CCt
> Test James Dancy P Registerr
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>		04/22/2009 5:56:53
Re: [POYTHRESS] Deed 1785 Northampton Co, NC to Odom Potress from Thos WilliamsCrystal RoseSandy and others,
There is one other mention of Peter in the Will of William W. Wilkins. It is
a description of land that Wilkins had purchased from Peter Woodluf (that is
how it is transribed) {Will Book 4, Page 222, Northampton Co NC}. The only
description that it gives is that it is on the Roanoke River and it was left
to his son W.W. Wilkins. Of course, this will is witnessed by James VINCENT.

Interesting to see this Vincent name as it is one of the branch names of the
Portuguese Settlement and one that goes back to Fountain's Creek in
Greensville Co, where the land is located for John Poythress of 1736,
Brunswick Co VA.

Crystal


On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Sandy wrote:

> Barbara, might be only a coincidence, but Major Peter Woodlief (b ca 1761 -
> d. 1816 "at his seat" in Prince George Co) was also in Northampton Co., NC.
> This Maj. Peter was married (1) to Ann Poythress (nee: Bland) Morrison, d/o
> Richard Bland & Mary Bolling, and widow of John Morrison; and (2) on 4 July
> 1813 to Rebecca (nee Cocke), widow of George Ruffin.
> He served as a member of the NC House of Representatives (or Commons) from
> Northampton Co. in 1803, 1811 and 1812. He's found enumerated in the 1810
> Northampton Co. census with what appear to be his 3 daughters and also with
> 56 slaves, 2 looms and 1,000 yards of cotton cloth.
>
> However.... I haven't found any deeds for Peter in Northampton County, nor
> is there a Northampton Co. estate record for Peter.
>
> This Peter's father was the Peter Woodlief who d. bef. 1772, an executor,
> along with William Cryor/Cryer, of Charles Poythress.
>
> The only other Northampton Co. record I've found for Peter was in March
> Court 1813 when his oath proved a codicil of the will of one Joshua
> Vincent.
> Vincent's will was proved on the oath of Catherine Rainey in Dec. Court
> 1813. In June Court 1814, there was a petition by Thomas Moss & wife
> against Michael, James and Lucy Vincent to re-hear the probate of Joshua
> Vincent's will.
>
> I'm posting this because there seems to be a missing piece in here
> somewhere, so perhaps something in the Poythress research might turn up the
> piece that's missing.
>
> -Sandy
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Barbara Neal > >wrote:
>
> > >From Northampton Co, NC Deed Book 10, pp.51-52, seen in FHL film film
> > 19,423
> > Bpn transcribed this Deed from Thomas Williams to Odom Potress
> [Poythress]
> > for 100 acres in Northampton Co, NC, made 9 Feb 1785 and registered 22
> Jun
> > 1795, for consideration of 32 £. Note: FHL Film 19,423 covers
> Northampton
> > Co, NC Deed books 9-11. Spellings etc are from the original; square
> > brackets contain my comments.
> >
> > = =
> >
> > William [sic; should be Williams] to Potress
> > This indenture made this ninth day of February 1785 Between Thomas
> Williams
> > of Northampton County & State of North Carolina & Odom Potress of the
> Same
> > County & State the other part Witnesseth that Thomas Williams for and in
> > Consideration of the Sum of Thirty two pounds proch[?] Money paid in hand
> > by
> > Odom Potress the receipt Whereof the Said [struck out here is "Odom
> > Potress"] Thomas Williams doth grant bargain & Sell and by these doth
> grant
> > Sell & aline & Confirm unto Odom Potress or his heirs or assigns forever
> > free and clear of all encumbrances a Certain tract or parcell of land
> > Situate lying & being in Northampton County & State of North Carolina by
> > Estimation One hundred acres be the Same more or less Begining on a
> Willow
> > Oak on Cuthbert to Staffords line Thence along Staffords line to a white
> > Oak
> > on Bill [or Ball; the word looks like Ball but with a dot over the stem
> of
> > the "a"] Ellises line in a branch from Thence down the Branch to Jack
> Swamp
> > from thence the Swamp to a branch on the South Side from thence up the
> > Branch to the head [or heart?] from thence along John McGregors to his
> > Corner black Jack from Thence along a Chopt line to the first Station to
> > have and to hold all the Woods premitive Commodities advantages &
> > appurtenances Whatsoever to the Same belonging or any wise appertaining &
> > also Reversion & Reversions Remainder and Remainders Rents Tours[?]
> Surveys
> > of the Said premises thereof unto the Said Odom Potress his heirs or
> > assigns
> > to the only proper use of the Said Odom Potress his heirs & assigns
> forever
> > & the Said Thomas Williams doth Covenant and agree to and with the Said
> > Odom Potress his heirs and assigns forever that he will for himself &
> > against all other persons Whatsoever the above premises forever defend
> In
> > Witness whereof The Said Thomas Williams hath hereunto set his hand &
> > affixed his Seal this day and year above Written---
> > Signd Seald & delivered in the presents of us
> > Henry Meacham, Charles Hodges
> > Thomas Williams (Seal)
> > Northampton County June
> > Court 1793 This deed was
> > duly Acknowledged & Ordered to be Registered, Registered June the 22nd
> 1795
> > Witness E. Haynes CCt
> > Test James Dancy P Registerr
> >
> > -------------------------------
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> > POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
> >
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>		04/23/2009 4:17:36
[POYTHRESS] Historical Melungeons-Poythress Connection?nancy netterI came across this website for a friend of mine.
 
However, after seeing the postings here I thought it may be relevant for this group to explore.
 
I have not made any contacts. There is a good chance that Poythress is closely tied to this group.
 
http://http://www.geocities.com/ourmelungeons/front.html
 
A quick search of this site has some Poythress Listed.
 
11 December 1704 On 11 December 1721 Hubbard Gibson sold to Peter Poythress 200 acres on the Blackwater, part of a tract granted unto John Poythress, son of the deceased Francis Poythress, which 200 acres sd. John Poythress sold said Gibson 11 December 1704, sd. land borders on land sold to John Poythress by Hercules Flood. On 28 November 1720 Francis Poythress, the elder, deeded to John Poythress, Jun., a tract of land called Powells, 150 acres bounded on north by Richard Bland, south on lands lately in occupation of Joseph Patterson, easterly on Deep Bottom and on the west by Thomas Poythress.

 
 
Nancy Netter		04/23/2009 4:32:49
Re: [POYTHRESS] Deed 1785 Northampton Co, NC to Odom Potress from Thos WilliamsSandyWhoaa, Crystal, we may be getting somewhere. In Greensville Co. (Smoky
Ordinary to be exact), we have another branch of Woodliefs that probably
hooks into this.... and we may be tying into Brunswick, Dinwiddie and even
further back.

Sons of Thomas Woodlief (whose Brunswick Co will was proved in 1818),
namely, Peter William Woodlief (b 1808 - d. 1883 New Orleans) and Devereux
J. (d. 1854 in a duel in California), were listed in their obits as from
Smoky Ordinary, Greensville Co, VA.

Other known children of this Thomas Woodlief were George (but "which"
George Woodlief is the question), Elvira (b ca 1805) who md Joshua YOUNG;
Ann B. "Nancy" (b ca 1817 & apparently did not marry); Thomas C. (b ca 1818
- d 1873 TX); Eliza (d bef 1850, md Wm WALLACE).

Thomas' wife is said to have been an Elizabeth Claiborne, but I'm not aware
of any proof of this, and don't know whether this Elizabeth was the mother
of all these children.
BUT.... this same Thomas *may* be one-and-the-same as the Thomas Woodlief
who was married (1777) to Elizabeth Hill Eppes (d/o Lt Col Francis Eppes),
who had one child, Francis Eppes Woodlief, who died 1810. After the death of
Elizabeth Hill Eppes, this Thomas Woodlief md Martha TAYLOR, niece of Robert
Taylor of Southampton Co, VA, and they had one child, Martha/Patsy," who
married (bef 1810) Robert Lanier and died bef 1838.

This doesn't connect the dots, but we surely seem to be looking at people
who are found in all the same places and I suspect there are other pieces
that may well connect some dots. (hope, hope!)

Thanks so much for posting the additional Northampton Co. reference to
Peter.

Known children of the Peter Woodlief of Prince George & Northampton are:
Hannah (b 1794), md. (1817) Dr. Peter Manson Hardaway
Ann (b ca 1795) md (1812) Dr. Richard Jeffrey
Eliza (or Elizabeth) Bland (b ca 1798) md (1817) Dr. Shadrach Alfriend.

One thing that is not clear to me is the identity of the grandmother of
Peter Woodlief of Pr George & Northampton. His father was Peter Woodlief who
owned land at Butterwood Swamp.

-Sandy


On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Crystal Rose wrote:

> Sandy and others,
> There is one other mention of Peter in the Will of William W. Wilkins. It
> is
> a description of land that Wilkins had purchased from Peter Woodluf (that
> is
> how it is transribed) {Will Book 4, Page 222, Northampton Co NC}. The only
> description that it gives is that it is on the Roanoke River and it was
> left
> to his son W.W. Wilkins. Of course, this will is witnessed by James
> VINCENT.
>
> Interesting to see this Vincent name as it is one of the branch names of
> the
> Portuguese Settlement and one that goes back to Fountain's Creek in
> Greensville Co, where the land is located for John Poythress of 1736,
> Brunswick Co VA.
>
> Crystal
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Sandy wrote:
>
> > Barbara, might be only a coincidence, but Major Peter Woodlief (b ca 1761
> -
> > d. 1816 "at his seat" in Prince George Co) was also in Northampton Co.,
> NC.
> > This Maj. Peter was married (1) to Ann Poythress (nee: Bland) Morrison,
> d/o
> > Richard Bland & Mary Bolling, and widow of John Morrison; and (2) on 4
> July
> > 1813 to Rebecca (nee Cocke), widow of George Ruffin.
> > He served as a member of the NC House of Representatives (or Commons)
> from
> > Northampton Co. in 1803, 1811 and 1812. He's found enumerated in the 1810
> > Northampton Co. census with what appear to be his 3 daughters and also
> with
> > 56 slaves, 2 looms and 1,000 yards of cotton cloth.
> >
> > However.... I haven't found any deeds for Peter in Northampton County,
> nor
> > is there a Northampton Co. estate record for Peter.
> >
> > This Peter's father was the Peter Woodlief who d. bef. 1772, an executor,
> > along with William Cryor/Cryer, of Charles Poythress.
> >
> > The only other Northampton Co. record I've found for Peter was in March
> > Court 1813 when his oath proved a codicil of the will of one Joshua
> > Vincent.
> > Vincent's will was proved on the oath of Catherine Rainey in Dec. Court
> > 1813. In June Court 1814, there was a petition by Thomas Moss & wife
> > against Michael, James and Lucy Vincent to re-hear the probate of Joshua
> > Vincent's will.
> >
> > I'm posting this because there seems to be a missing piece in here
> > somewhere, so perhaps something in the Poythress research might turn up
> the
> > piece that's missing.
> >
> > -Sandy
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Barbara Neal > > >wrote:
> >
> > > >From Northampton Co, NC Deed Book 10, pp.51-52, seen in FHL film film
> > > 19,423
> > > Bpn transcribed this Deed from Thomas Williams to Odom Potress
> > [Poythress]
> > > for 100 acres in Northampton Co, NC, made 9 Feb 1785 and registered 22
> > Jun
> > > 1795, for consideration of 32 £. Note: FHL Film 19,423 covers
> > Northampton
> > > Co, NC Deed books 9-11. Spellings etc are from the original; square
> > > brackets contain my comments.
> > >
> > > = =
> > >
> > > William [sic; should be Williams] to Potress
> > > This indenture made this ninth day of February 1785 Between Thomas
> > Williams
> > > of Northampton County & State of North Carolina & Odom Potress of the
> > Same
> > > County & State the other part Witnesseth that Thomas Williams for and
> in
> > > Consideration of the Sum of Thirty two pounds proch[?] Money paid in
> hand
> > > by
> > > Odom Potress the receipt Whereof the Said [struck out here is "Odom
> > > Potress"] Thomas Williams doth grant bargain & Sell and by these doth
> > grant
> > > Sell & aline & Confirm unto Odom Potress or his heirs or assigns
> forever
> > > free and clear of all encumbrances a Certain tract or parcell of land
> > > Situate lying & being in Northampton County & State of North Carolina
> by
> > > Estimation One hundred acres be the Same more or less Begining on a
> > Willow
> > > Oak on Cuthbert to Staffords line Thence along Staffords line to a
> white
> > > Oak
> > > on Bill [or Ball; the word looks like Ball but with a dot over the stem
> > of
> > > the "a"] Ellises line in a branch from Thence down the Branch to Jack
> > Swamp
> > > from thence the Swamp to a branch on the South Side from thence up the
> > > Branch to the head [or heart?] from thence along John McGregors to his
> > > Corner black Jack from Thence along a Chopt line to the first Station
> to
> > > have and to hold all the Woods premitive Commodities advantages &
> > > appurtenances Whatsoever to the Same belonging or any wise appertaining
> &
> > > also Reversion & Reversions Remainder and Remainders Rents Tours[?]
> > Surveys
> > > of the Said premises thereof unto the Said Odom Potress his heirs or
> > > assigns
> > > to the only proper use of the Said Odom Potress his heirs & assigns
> > forever
> > > & the Said Thomas Williams doth Covenant and agree to and with the Said
> > > Odom Potress his heirs and assigns forever that he will for himself &
> > > against all other persons Whatsoever the above premises forever defend
> > In
> > > Witness whereof The Said Thomas Williams hath hereunto set his hand &
> > > affixed his Seal this day and year above Written---
> > > Signd Seald & delivered in the presents of us
> > > Henry Meacham, Charles Hodges
> > > Thomas Williams (Seal)
> > > Northampton County June
> > > Court 1793 This deed was
> > > duly Acknowledged & Ordered to be Registered, Registered June the 22nd
> > 1795
> > > Witness E. Haynes CCt
> > > Test James Dancy P Registerr
> > >
> > > -------------------------------
>		04/23/2009 6:42:13
[POYTHRESS] 1720-21 Poythress deeds mentioned in Melung. quoteBarbara NealThanks for the link, which indeed some of our Poythress subscribers will
likely find helpful.

I looked at the link to see if the person who had posted the deed info had
given ANY citation for the paragraph quoted, but they had not given any.
Without citations, we have no logical county records to pursue in the same
time-frame for additional info on any of these people.

What struck me as odd is that, with the several different dates, there were
likely different documents involved. It's especially odd to see two dates
at the beginning of the paragraph. It was shown as:
= =
11 December 1704 On 11 December 1721 Hubbard Gibson sold to Peter Poythress
200 acres on the Blackwater, part of a tract granted unto John Poythress,
son of the deceased Francis Poythress, which 200 acres sd. John Poythress
sold said Gibson 11 December 1704, sd. land borders on land sold to John
Poythress by Hercules Flood. On 28 November 1720 Francis Poythress, the
elder, deeded to John Poythress, Jun., a tract of land called Powells, 150
acres bounded on north by Richard Bland, south on lands lately in occupation
of Joseph Patterson, easterly on Deep Bottom and on the west by Thomas
Poythress.
= =

So trying to comprehend the dating of that paragraph, I dug around some and
realized that paragraph of info might well have come either from one of
Michael Tutor's messages to our List on 21 January 2006 captioned "Captain
Francis Poythress, father of Francis Poythress, Gentleman, 3rd Generation"
(in that message he had all those dates within just a few consecutive lines)
OR possibly the info could've come from where ever Michael had culled it, to
put into his message.

Michael had included some abbreviated parenthetical notations that led me to
look at "Prince George, Virginia Wills and Deeds, 1713-1728" as abstracted
and indexed by Benjamin B Weisiger III in 1973. The abstracts are worded
slightly differently by Weisiger from those combined in the paragraph above
and in Michael's 2006 message, but the basic info was similar enough for me
to identify what documents were indeed combined.

The paragraph's first-mentioned date of 11 Dec 1704 is used as part of the
land's description in a transaction dated 11 Dec 1721. That Dec 1721 item,
mentioning the 11 Dec 1704 date, is shown below here; it begins on p.508 of
the Prince George Co, VA Wills & Deeds 1713-1728, and apparently the
document runs quite long, since the next transaction begins on p.511.

The other date mentioned in the above paragraph, 28 Nov 1720, is from a
different document. Weisiger abstracted this 1720 one as follows:
= =
p.425 (of the original county record book of Prince George Co, VA Wills &
Deeds 1713-1728)
Nov. 8, 1720 Francis Poythress, the elder, of Westover Parish, Pr. Geo.
Co., to John Poythress, Jr. of same, for £ 10, a tract in same parish
called Powells, 150 acres, bounded N.E. on lands of Richard Bland, S. on
lands lately in occupation of Joseph Patterson, dec'd, E. on Deep Bottom, &
W. on lands of Thomas Poythress.
Francis Poythress
Wit: E. Goodrich
Thomas Binford
Margaret Goodrich
Rec. Dec. 13, 1720
= =

Maynard had put the 11 Dec 1721 document (which mentions 11 Dec 1704) in his
Prince George Co, VA compilation of county records he included in the CD
some of us have gotten from him. There, he lists it as follows:
= =
11 Dec 1721
Deed for lease [Bpn note: Weisiger does not describe it as a Deed for lease,
but instead just showed it as a deed, so it may well be one of those deeds
done for "lease and release" to avoid some fee on a pure deed of sale]
Hubbard Gibson and Mary his wife and Edward Gibson their son of North
Carolina
to
Peter Poythres of the Colony of Virginia
Sum: 5 shillings, 1 year lease
Land: 200 acres, Northside of the Blackwater Swamp the County of Prince
George, the same being a part of a greater tract formerly granted by patent
to Francis Poythres now dced and since his death the land is granted unto
John Poythres, son to the aforementioned Francis Poythres, as lapsed from
the deed and by the said John Poythres sold unto the aforesaid Hubbard
Gibson and Mary his wife and Edward Gibson their son by deed dated 11 Dec
1704 to the said Peter Poythres
Signed: Hubbard Gibson, Mary Gibson, Edward Gibson (sealed w/ a waxer)
Wit: Richard Cureton, Richard Sykes, John (X) Fennel
(PG Wills, Deeds & Settlements 1713-28 with 1719-22 as a separate book, p.
508-9)
= =		04/23/2009 11:16:21
Re: [POYTHRESS] Gibson to Poythress 1721 DeedRandy JonesI believe the Dead For Lease you describe below is the same as what is known as Lease and Release.

In Medieval and early colonial times, it was very difficult to get title in fee simple as we do today.  The title wasn't always clear, or was layered with ownership, so instead of a normal deed, the Lease and Release was used.  This was simple and ancient method of conferring all rights, title and interest from a buyer to a seller.  The "buyer" is put in possession of the land through a lease, then at a later date, say a year or more, the property is transferred by seizen, recombining the title and the leasehold. This allowed the buyer to assume title to the land, as well as perhaps to have time to pay in installment (or to put together the balloon payment at the time of the realease).

  -- Randy Jones




________________________________
From: John M. Poythress
To: AA Poythress List
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 11:57:52 AM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Gibson to Poythress 1721 Deed

This one is difficult (for me at any rate) to figure out.  Text is below and I’ll suggest
my comments up front because the reader’s ADD may kick in before finishing all of them:



^  a 1704 transaction might have happened in Charles City County.  PG was founded in 1703.
I suppose the issue is how fast did they organize a “real” court in PG.  From the looks of
the records we have the answer to that is “not very.”  Perhaps it was recorded in CC
County.  Unfortunately, it’s my belief that our run of CC records at the county level
doesn’t begin until 1741.  But one of you may have this “deed for lease.”  Presumably
there was a Charles City deed for lease that transpired in 1704.  Gibsons of NC leasing
200 acres to Peter Poythress.  A possible shot is that there never was a 1704 “document”
in the formal sense, in keeping with that peculiar process by which a deed for lease was
followed by a sale no matter how far apart in time.



^ note that throughout the 3 following documents I think we are talking about the
identical piece of land, 200 acres adjoining Blackwater swamp.



^ it’s my thought that the two documents were created simultaneously on the 1721 date.
(note: document 1 is merely an abstract for document 2 so there are really only two
documents).  And document 3 is itself an abstract.



I’m left with several questions:



^ I’ve never quite understood why many of those deeds have a preceding “deed for lease”
for a nominal sum followed by a later deed for real money and both documents are often
drawn simultaneously at the later date.  And the difference between the lease and the
“real” deed can be a substantial number of years as is the case here.  Somewhere there is
likely an explanation for this “procedure” but I haven’t seen it.



^ I suppose my basic question is what’s this got to do with Melungeons, a matter on which
I am as curious as most of us seem to be.  The land in question is in “developed” Prince
George County, not up in the as-advertised isolated tri-state mountain home of the
Melungeons. 



Perhaps it might not be out of the question to speculate that the Gibsons (North Carolina)
might be the Melungeons in far western NC mountains.  Also, I suppose it may have gotten
into Melungeon records if a Melungeon Poythress was a downstream legatee of some later
will.



There are enough Poythresses in here for one or more of them to conceivably be a Melungeon
himself but these are all familiar fellows who didn’t seem to stray far from the 4 or 5
counties on the south side of the James.



But anyway, here are the full documents and they are sourced.  Comments welcome.



Maynard





11 Dec 1721

Deed for lease

Hubbard Gibson and Mary his wife and Edward Gibson their son of

North Carolina

to

Peter Poythres of the Colony of Virginia

Sum: 5 shillings, 1 year lease

Land:  200 acres, Northside of the Blackwater Swamp the County of Prince

            George, the same being a part of a greater tract formerly granted by

            patent to Francis Poythres now dced and since his death the land is

            granted unto John Poythres, son to the aforementioned Francis

            Poythres, as lapsed from the deed and by the said John Poythres sold

            unto the aforesaid Hubbard Gibson and Mary his wife and Edward

            Gibson their son by deed dated 11 Dec 1704 to the said Peter Poythres

Signed: Hubbard Gibson, Mary Gibson, Edward Gibson (sealed w/ a waxer)

Wit: Richard Cureton, Richard Sykes, John (X) Fennel

(PG Wills, Deeds & Settlements 1713-28 with 1719-22 as a separate book,

p. 508-9)



11 Dec 1721 (transcription of above abstracted document)

This indenture made this 11th day of December one thousand seven hundred and twenty one,
between Hubbard Gibson, and Mary his wife and Edward Gibson their son of North Carolina of
the one part and Peter Poythres of the County of Prince George in the Colony of Virginia
of the other part.  Witnesseth, that the said Hubbard Gibson and Mary his wife and Edward
Gibson, for and in consideration for the sum of 5s current money to them in hand paid by
the said Peter Poythres, whereof  they do hereby acknowledge the receipt, have bargained
and sold and do by these presents bargain and sell unto the said Peter Poythres, his
executors and administrators, one certain parcel or tract of land containing two hundred
acres, more or less, situate and lying on the North Side of the Blackwater Swamp in the
county of Prince George, the same being part of a greater tract of land formerly granted
by patent unto Francis Poythres, now Dced, and since his death the said land is granted
unto John Poythres, son to the aforesaid Francis Poythres, as lapsed from said Francis and
by the said John Poythres sold unto the aforesaid Hubbard Gibson and Mary his wife and
Edward Gibson by deed dated the eleventh day of December one thousand seven hundred and
four as by the said deed reference being thereunto will more fully appear and bounded as
followeth: Viz., beginning in a Hickory Corner Tree of the land formerly belonging unto
Hercules Flud, and by him sold unto the said Francis Poythres which said Tree is likewise
a corner Tree of the head line of this Land and running from the said Tree and running
South East and by South the course of the said Hercules Flud line to be the main run of
the aforesaid Blackwater Swamp, thence along the said Run of the said Swamp till it comes
to the land of John Taylor, Dced; thence from the said Swamp along the said Taylor’s line
forty six chains to a corner Tree at the headline of this trail, then from That Tree along
the said headline according to the overall course thereof to the Tree begun….to have and
to hold the said tract of land with the appurtenances unto the said Peter Poythres, his
executors and administrators before the day next before the date hereof unto the said end
and farm for and during the term of one year from to the intent that by virtue thereof and
of the statue for transferring uses into possession the said Peter Poythres may do in the
actual possession of the said land and premises and be enabled to take a grant and release
of the reversion and inheritance of the said premises to himself and his heirs to the use
of his heirs and assigns forever.

In witness whereof the said Hubbard Gibson and Mary his wife and Edward Gibson have
hereunto set their hands and affixed their seals the day the day and year above written.

Signed, sealed, and delivered

in presence of:                                                Signed:

Richard Cureton                                Hubbard (x) Gibson, sealed with a waxer

Richard Sykes                                    Mary (x) Gibson    , sealed with a
waxer

John (x) Fennel                                  Edward (x) Gibson,  sealed with a waxer



At a Court held at Merchant’s Hope for Prince George County, on the second Tuesday in
January, being the ninth day of the said month, anno domini 1721, the above written deed
of lease of land indented and sold was in open court acknowledged by Edward Gibson and of
the subscribers thereto by his act and deed to Peter Poythres named therein and the same
being also proved in Court by the oath of Richard Cureton, Richard Sykes and John Fennel
witnesses thereto to be the act and deed of Hubbard Gibson and Mary his wife to the other
subscribers thereto, to the said Peter Poythres on his motion the same by order of the
Court is truly recorded.       

                                                            Teste:  Wm Hamlin CC

(Prince George County, Wills, Deeds & Settlements 1713-28 with 1719-22 as a separate

book, p. 508-9)





12 Dec 1721

Hubbard Gibson and Mary his wife and Edward Gibson their son of North

Carolina

to

Peter Poythres of Prince George County of the Colony of Virginia

Sum: £32

Land:  200 acres Northside of the Blackwater Swamp the County of Prince

            George the same being part of a greater tract of land granted to

            Francis Poythres now decd. and since his death the said land is

            granted to John Poythres son to the aforesaid Francis Poythres as

            lapsed from the said Francis Poythres and by the said John

            Poythres sold unto the aforesaid Hubbard Gibson, his wife Mary and

            heir son Edward Gibson by deed dated 11 Dec 1704.

Signed: Hubbard Gibson, Mary Gibson, Edward Gibson (sealed w/ a waxer)

Wit: Richard Cureton, Richard Sykes, John Fennel.

(PG Wills, Deeds & Settlements 1713-28 with 1719-22 as a separate book,

p. 510-11)






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[POYTHRESS] Explanation re Deeds of lease & releaseBarbara Neal>From the Library of Virginia's "Research notes number 6 -- Using County and
City Court Records" posted on LVA's website, is this explanation of Deeds of
lease and release:

Deeds of lease and release are often found in the Northern Neck and older
counties. The lease, listing a nominal sum, is followed by the release
noting the actual sale price. The lease may predate the release by a day, a
week, or even a year. Together the two documents make up a legal deed and
should not be confused with a simple lease to rent land.

Re Why did they do it that way?!: Simple answer: to avoid paying a tax
on a "Sale" -- neither the "lease" or the subsequent "release" of all
remaining rights was a "sale" and thus no tax was due to the gov't. They
were no more fond of paying taxes than we are today.

See this quote from NGS' "Amercan Genealogy: A Basic Course" on p.262:
Deeds
Lease and release. In some of the colonies the device of a lease and
release was used to avoid payment to the colonial government of a fee on
land transfers. The owner would lease the land for a year to the person who
wished to buy it. Subsequently, the owner, for a consideration, would
execute a release transferring all remaining rights to the land. The entire
process had the same effect as the execution of a deed.		04/24/2009 5:50:05
[POYTHRESS] Gibson to Poythress 1721 DeedJohn M. PoythressThis one is difficult (for me at any rate) to figure out. Text is below and I’ll suggest
my comments up front because the reader’s ADD may kick in before finishing all of them:



^ a 1704 transaction might have happened in Charles City County. PG was founded in 1703.
I suppose the issue is how fast did they organize a “real” court in PG. From the looks of
the records we have the answer to that is “not very.” Perhaps it was recorded in CC
County. Unfortunately, it’s my belief that our run of CC records at the county level
doesn’t begin until 1741. But one of you may have this “deed for lease.” Presumably
there was a Charles City deed for lease that transpired in 1704. Gibsons of NC leasing
200 acres to Peter Poythress. A possible shot is that there never was a 1704 “document”
in the formal sense, in keeping with that peculiar process by which a deed for lease was
followed by a sale no matter how far apart in time.



^ note that throughout the 3 following documents I think we are talking about the
identical piece of land, 200 acres adjoining Blackwater swamp.



^ it’s my thought that the two documents were created simultaneously on the 1721 date.
(note: document 1 is merely an abstract for document 2 so there are really only two
documents). And document 3 is itself an abstract.



I’m left with several questions:



^ I’ve never quite understood why many of those deeds have a preceding “deed for lease”
for a nominal sum followed by a later deed for real money and both documents are often
drawn simultaneously at the later date. And the difference between the lease and the
“real” deed can be a substantial number of years as is the case here. Somewhere there is
likely an explanation for this “procedure” but I haven’t seen it.



^ I suppose my basic question is what’s this got to do with Melungeons, a matter on which
I am as curious as most of us seem to be. The land in question is in “developed” Prince
George County, not up in the as-advertised isolated tri-state mountain home of the
Melungeons.



Perhaps it might not be out of the question to speculate that the Gibsons (North Carolina)
might be the Melungeons in far western NC mountains. Also, I suppose it may have gotten
into Melungeon records if a Melungeon Poythress was a downstream legatee of some later
will.



There are enough Poythresses in here for one or more of them to conceivably be a Melungeon
himself but these are all familiar fellows who didn’t seem to stray far from the 4 or 5
counties on the south side of the James.



But anyway, here are the full documents and they are sourced. Comments welcome.



Maynard





11 Dec 1721

Deed for lease

Hubbard Gibson and Mary his wife and Edward Gibson their son of

North Carolina

to

Peter Poythres of the Colony of Virginia

Sum: 5 shillings, 1 year lease

Land: 200 acres, Northside of the Blackwater Swamp the County of Prince

George, the same being a part of a greater tract formerly granted by

patent to Francis Poythres now dced and since his death the land is

granted unto John Poythres, son to the aforementioned Francis

Poythres, as lapsed from the deed and by the said John Poythres sold

unto the aforesaid Hubbard Gibson and Mary his wife and Edward

Gibson their son by deed dated 11 Dec 1704 to the said Peter Poythres

Signed: Hubbard Gibson, Mary Gibson, Edward Gibson (sealed w/ a waxer)

Wit: Richard Cureton, Richard Sykes, John (X) Fennel

(PG Wills, Deeds & Settlements 1713-28 with 1719-22 as a separate book,

p. 508-9)



11 Dec 1721 (transcription of above abstracted document)

This indenture made this 11th day of December one thousand seven hundred and twenty one,
between Hubbard Gibson, and Mary his wife and Edward Gibson their son of North Carolina of
the one part and Peter Poythres of the County of Prince George in the Colony of Virginia
of the other part. Witnesseth, that the said Hubbard Gibson and Mary his wife and Edward
Gibson, for and in consideration for the sum of 5s current money to them in hand paid by
the said Peter Poythres, whereof they do hereby acknowledge the receipt, have bargained
and sold and do by these presents bargain and sell unto the said Peter Poythres, his
executors and administrators, one certain parcel or tract of land containing two hundred
acres, more or less, situate and lying on the North Side of the Blackwater Swamp in the
county of Prince George, the same being part of a greater tract of land formerly granted
by patent unto Francis Poythres, now Dced, and since his death the said land is granted
unto John Poythres, son to the aforesaid Francis Poythres, as lapsed from said Francis and
by the said John Poythres sold unto the aforesaid Hubbard Gibson and Mary his wife and
Edward Gibson by deed dated the eleventh day of December one thousand seven hundred and
four as by the said deed reference being thereunto will more fully appear and bounded as
followeth: Viz., beginning in a Hickory Corner Tree of the land formerly belonging unto
Hercules Flud, and by him sold unto the said Francis Poythres which said Tree is likewise
a corner Tree of the head line of this Land and running from the said Tree and running
South East and by South the course of the said Hercules Flud line to be the main run of
the aforesaid Blackwater Swamp, thence along the said Run of the said Swamp till it comes
to the land of John Taylor, Dced; thence from the said Swamp along the said Taylor’s line
forty six chains to a corner Tree at the headline of this trail, then from That Tree along
the said headline according to the overall course thereof to the Tree begun….to have and
to hold the said tract of land with the appurtenances unto the said Peter Poythres, his
executors and administrators before the day next before the date hereof unto the said end
and farm for and during the term of one year from to the intent that by virtue thereof and
of the statue for transferring uses into possession the said Peter Poythres may do in the
actual possession of the said land and premises and be enabled to take a grant and release
of the reversion and inheritance of the said premises to himself and his heirs to the use
of his heirs and assigns forever.

In witness whereof the said Hubbard Gibson and Mary his wife and Edward Gibson have
hereunto set their hands and affixed their seals the day the day and year above written.

Signed, sealed, and delivered

in presence of: Signed:

Richard Cureton Hubbard (x) Gibson, sealed with a waxer

Richard Sykes Mary (x) Gibson , sealed with a
waxer

John (x) Fennel Edward (x) Gibson, sealed with a waxer



At a Court held at Merchant’s Hope for Prince George County, on the second Tuesday in
January, being the ninth day of the said month, anno domini 1721, the above written deed
of lease of land indented and sold was in open court acknowledged by Edward Gibson and of
the subscribers thereto by his act and deed to Peter Poythres named therein and the same
being also proved in Court by the oath of Richard Cureton, Richard Sykes and John Fennel
witnesses thereto to be the act and deed of Hubbard Gibson and Mary his wife to the other
subscribers thereto, to the said Peter Poythres on his motion the same by order of the
Court is truly recorded.

Teste: Wm Hamlin CC

(Prince George County, Wills, Deeds & Settlements 1713-28 with 1719-22 as a separate

book, p. 508-9)





12 Dec 1721

Hubbard Gibson and Mary his wife and Edward Gibson their son of North

Carolina

to

Peter Poythres of Prince George County of the Colony of Virginia

Sum: £32

Land: 200 acres Northside of the Blackwater Swamp the County of Prince

George the same being part of a greater tract of land granted to

Francis Poythres now decd. and since his death the said land is

granted to John Poythres son to the aforesaid Francis Poythres as

lapsed from the said Francis Poythres and by the said John

Poythres sold unto the aforesaid Hubbard Gibson, his wife Mary and

heir son Edward Gibson by deed dated 11 Dec 1704.

Signed: Hubbard Gibson, Mary Gibson, Edward Gibson (sealed w/ a waxer)

Wit: Richard Cureton, Richard Sykes, John Fennel.

(PG Wills, Deeds & Settlements 1713-28 with 1719-22 as a separate book,

p. 510-11)		04/24/2009 5:57:52
Re: [POYTHRESS] Explanation re Deeds of lease & releaseJohn M. PoythressYep, shoulda knowed...forgot the fail-safe rule: follow the money.

Thanks, Barb.

Maynard



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Barbara Neal
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:50
To: Poythress
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Explanation re Deeds of lease & release



>From the Library of Virginia's "Research notes number 6 -- Using County and

City Court Records" posted on LVA's website, is this explanation of Deeds of

lease and release:



Deeds of lease and release are often found in the Northern Neck and older

counties. The lease, listing a nominal sum, is followed by the release

noting the actual sale price. The lease may predate the release by a day, a

week, or even a year. Together the two documents make up a legal deed and

should not be confused with a simple lease to rent land.



Re Why did they do it that way?!: Simple answer: to avoid paying a tax

on a "Sale" -- neither the "lease" or the subsequent "release" of all

remaining rights was a "sale" and thus no tax was due to the gov't. They

were no more fond of paying taxes than we are today.



See this quote from NGS' "Amercan Genealogy: A Basic Course" on p.262:

Deeds

Lease and release. In some of the colonies the device of a lease and

release was used to avoid payment to the colonial government of a fee on

land transfers. The owner would lease the land for a year to the person who

wished to buy it. Subsequently, the owner, for a consideration, would

execute a release transferring all remaining rights to the land. The entire

process had the same effect as the execution of a deed.



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Re: [POYTHRESS] Applause for the ORIGINALS! William, not Walter, Stainback!Barbara NealThanks, Sandy. Good catch on the Walter vs William. I just double-checked
Weisiger's abstract, to make sure I had re-typed his abstract correctly for
Al, and sure enough Weisiger had mis-transcribed it as Walter.



04/27/2009 8:49:54
[POYTHRESS] Applause for the ORIGINALS! William, not Walter, Stainback!SandyJust wanted to thank Barbara and Al again for such a wonderful job of
getting the scanned images of the 1724 will of John Poythress online.

Also, to point out how valuable these are, I want to make note that the
abstract of this will which is on the Poythress site reads:
" To son John, my plantation where I now live, 100 acres; also 100 acres
adjacent called Colebrook, taking in Ivey Point, running down to Hugh Evans
spring bottom, to Walter Stainback's...."

BUT, the scanned images definitely show that this was WILLILAM Stainback!
That's a good find. The Stainback lines also tie in closely with those of
the Woodliefs, and this name was just questioned by a Stainback researcher
who was convinced this was an error in transcription and should've read
"William," since this is the only reference he's seen to a "Walter"
Stainback.

Turns out, he was right!

Thanks again, Barbara and Al.

All the best,
Sandy

>		04/27/2009 9:35:30
Re: [POYTHRESS] Applause for the ORIGINALS! William, not Walter, Stainback!John M. PoythressSo, Sandy, if you have captured that "stranger" land patent would you mind

posting it for us with the patent book #, etc. Many thanks. Maynard



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Sandy
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:50
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Applause for the ORIGINALS! William, not Walter,Stainback!



And, as a general rule, I've found Weisiger's abstracts to be very good,

which is simply to say, "mistakes happen," even to the best.

Ironically, this comes up at the very same time I've run across a VA land

patent abstracted by Nugent which appears to have been inadvertently omitted

from the library's indexing of the patents. I was able to find the original

- but only by going to the chronological list and navigating to the book and

page and downloading it. None of one the names in the patent show up in the

library's patent search engine, so I most likely wouldn't have discovered

this patent without Nugent's abstract.



The moral (if there is one) seems to be that abstracts, indexes and

originals all work together to serve our research. But then we're left with

the mistakes and omissions that mar the original documents. 🙂 At best, I

think, we can "support" our research via documenting sources, but "proof" is

an elusive commodity.



-Sandy





On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:



> Thanks, Sandy. Good catch on the Walter vs William. I just double-checked

> Weisiger's abstract, to make sure I had re-typed his abstract correctly for

> Al, and sure enough Weisiger had mis-transcribed it as Walter.

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Applause for the ORIGINALS! William, not Walter, Stainback!SandyAnd, as a general rule, I've found Weisiger's abstracts to be very good,
which is simply to say, "mistakes happen," even to the best.
Ironically, this comes up at the very same time I've run across a VA land
patent abstracted by Nugent which appears to have been inadvertently omitted
from the library's indexing of the patents. I was able to find the original
- but only by going to the chronological list and navigating to the book and
page and downloading it. None of one the names in the patent show up in the
library's patent search engine, so I most likely wouldn't have discovered
this patent without Nugent's abstract.

The moral (if there is one) seems to be that abstracts, indexes and
originals all work together to serve our research. But then we're left with
the mistakes and omissions that mar the original documents. 🙂 At best, I
think, we can "support" our research via documenting sources, but "proof" is
an elusive commodity.

-Sandy


On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Thanks, Sandy. Good catch on the Walter vs William. I just double-checked
> Weisiger's abstract, to make sure I had re-typed his abstract correctly for
> Al, and sure enough Weisiger had mis-transcribed it as Walter.
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?SandyThanks, Lou. Yes, I've seen this page, re speculations of two men -
'Victoris' and 'Dictoris.' While I'm no expert on the subject of
Dictoris Christmas, in looking at the patent images and the timelines
of other records, I'm of the opinion they are all records of the same
man, be he named "Dictoris" or "Victoris." The scrawl of those old
patents is difficult, at best, and an uppercase "D" can look like an
uppercase "V" - or vice versa, for that matter. Of course this is just
my opinion, and I could be wrong.

I'm uncertain of the origins of Jenkin Osborne or the connection of
Edward Hill. Possibly Jenkin was of the Osborne family who took owned
the area previously known as Coxendale?

I'm curious about the John Powntis associated with Southampton
Hundred, which apparently was, prior to 1620, known as Smythe's
Hundred, located on the south side of the James near the Chickahominy
River. (at least according to the book, "Jamestown Colony: A
Political, Social and Cultural History," by Frank E. Grizzard, Jr.,
and D. Boyd Smith.)


-Sandy


On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Lou Poole wrote:
> Also check this link:
>
> http://files.usgwarchives.org/va/york/wills/c6230000.txt
>
> This link suggests that that MIGHT have been a Dictoris Christmas AND
> a Victoris Christmas in early Virginia, and that perhaps their names
> have been confused in the records - which just adds possible confusion
> to the issue.
>
> In the link above it says: "On 8 May 1648 Dictoris Christmas is
> mentioned in a division of land to
> the orphans of Jenkin Osborne..."  Following the Jenkin Osborne trail
> may solve the riddle.
>
> Lou Poole
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
> [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:41 PM
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?
>
> Does anyone know of a connection between Capt Francis Poythress and
> Dictoris Christmas, and if so, could you enlighten me?
>
> The reference which prompts this question comes from Pat Bk 2, p 139.
> Nugent's abstract in C&P v 1, p 175, is as follows:
>
> CAPT. FRANCIS POYTHRES, 750 acs. Charles City Co., May 8, 1648 Page
> 139. Near mouth of Baylyes Cr., adj. land belonging to the orphants of
> Jenkin Osborne, thence Wly. to land of Thomas Bayly, now in the tenure
> of John Butler. 350 acs. formerly granted to Jenkins Osborne &
> purcahsed by sd. Poythres of Jenkin Osborne, Mary Osborne, & Capt.
> Edward Hill by the right of Dictoris Christmas, cornfirmed by order of
> court 27 Feb 1636. The other 450 acs. due by former patent.
>
> As best I can tell, Dictoris Christmas' land was in Elizabeth City/
> York Co., so I'm not sure how he fits into any of this (which is what
> I'm trying ascertain.)
>
> There's a pretty good compilation of references to Dictoris found on
> this web page which includes some references to "Mr. John Powntis" --
> I suspect may be a Poythress.
>
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vavfar/ChristmasD.html
>
> The connection might've been more through the Osbornes & Edwd Hill,
> but again, I just don't know. Was hoping someone on this list might
> know something. Unfortunately, I don't have the referenced court order
> of 27 Feb 1636.
>
> Thanks,
> Sandy
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?John M. PoythressI have read what I think are the relevant documents and I'm lead to conclude that Francis'
1648 patent suggests no particular connection between Francis and Dictoris Christmas. It
looks to me like the land in question was bought by Francis from Osborne and Hill..and
sort of like,

oh, by the way, Osborne and Hill got it from Dictorus Christmas (originally) and the
reference to Christmas likely only stated the continuity of the title/grant/patent and/or
further identified the land in question.



I'm figuring I must have missed something relevant, what was it?



Maynard



-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
Barbara Neal
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:38
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?



Related to your query, Sandy, is extensive info about Dictoris Christmas,

which I just located at a page belonging to the Virginia Foundation for

Archaeological Research, Inc, at:



http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vavfar/ChristmasD.html



This page is captioned "Notes about Dictoris Christmas of Elizabeth City and

York Counties, Virginia" compiled from abstracts by Eve Gregory [who does

very good work] and covers 1623 - 1669 records.



And by the way, when I see a name like "John Powntis" (mentioned more than

once on that page) in the old records, I'm suspicious that it could refer

to an odd Poythress spelling/transcription by whatever scribe originally

wrote it up.

Bpn



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Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?Albert TimsI don't know about Dictoris Christmas, but I do have some information
about John Powntis. The fact that the website Barbara points to
mentions both Powntis and Poythres may mean we should be taking a
closer look.

I chased Powntis several years back -- if he is a Poythress then it
would be big news since he was in VA at least a dozen years before
Francis shows up in the records.

Back in 1997 I posted the following from the Colonial Records Project
and what I said at the time was "the ship John "Powntis" was shipping
his personal effects on in 1625 was the Hopewell. This is one of the
three ships Francis "Poetres" is associated with in 1636. A decade is
a long time. So, this may be meaningless trivia." But now Dictoris
Christmas pops up as connecting the two men, maybe.

SURVEY REPORT No. 9951
VIRGINIA COLONIAL RECORDS PROJECT
DEPOSITORY Public Record Office CLASS C 24/511 Part I

Title Chancery Records. Town Depositions
Dates 1624/5
References Court of Chancery Records C24-C243 p. 4
Examined 10/10/75 Exposures 25

John Woodall c. Sir Thomas Merry. See 507 Part II and 521 Part II
no. 46 and 515 no. 94

Depositions on behalf of Woodall

P. 1-4 Thomas Clarke, November 4, 1624
John Powntis hired by the Company of Sturgeon Fishers in London to go on
two voyages to fish in Virginia. First on the Lions Claw and then on the
Prosper.
On his first-visit was given cattle by Sir George Yardley, some of which
he sold last June. Powntis died in England. Details of goods he owned
on the
Hopewell including some tobacco.

P.5-7 -Patrick Sanders January 15, 1624/5
John Woodall a member of the company of Sturgeon Fishers but unsure of
his share of the cargo of the Lyons Claw alias the Merchant
Bonaventure. 'Details
of the cargo of the Hopewell which included the account book of the
Sturgeons Company
but unsure which part of the cargo belonged to Powntis.

P. 8 Thomas Hawes,, January 20,, 1624/5
Treasurer of the Company of Sturgeon Fishers. Details of their stake in
voyages to Virginia.



On Apr 29, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Related to your query, Sandy, is extensive info about Dictoris
> Christmas,
> which I just located at a page belonging to the Virginia Foundation
> for
> Archaeological Research, Inc, at:
>
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vavfar/ChristmasD.html
>
> This page is captioned "Notes about Dictoris Christmas of Elizabeth
> City and
> York Counties, Virginia" compiled from abstracts by Eve Gregory [who
> does
> very good work] and covers 1623 - 1669 records.
>
> And by the way, when I see a name like "John Powntis" (mentioned
> more than
> once on that page) in the old records, I'm suspicious that it could
> refer
> to an odd Poythress spelling/transcription by whatever scribe
> originally
> wrote it up.
> Bpn
>
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> the body of the message		04/29/2009 6:05:22
Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?SandyAl,
This is funny! I was just reading your old 1997 message regarding
Captain Epps, and John "Pountys" - who, I believe, were at Smythe's
Hundred... which was later (after 1620, I think) known as "Southampton
Hundred" which is precisely where Eve Gregory (on the web site
referenced) noted Dictoris Christmas was bound to John Powntis:
28 Nov. 1625. Council & General Court of Va.
John Utie gent deposes that the bond wherein John Hassarde, Dictoris
Christmas, & Mr. Jonas Stogden stand bound to Mr. John Powntis late
Treasurer of Southampton Hundred was for the discharge of the said
John Hassards and Dictoris Christmas from the service of Southampton
Company. It is ordered that John Hassarde and Dictoris Christmas
having discharged their bond to Mr. Powntis shall have their freedoms
according to agreement as other tenants have had.

I think this John "Powntis" is almost certainly the John "Pountys
within the reports you've referenced, published by Susan Kingsbury.

I also think the Capt. Edward Hill who is referenced in this 1648
patent of land by Francis Poythress (belonging to Jenkin Osborne's
orphans) is of the Hill family of Shirley Hundred.

-Sandy



On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Albert Tims wrote:
> I don't know about Dictoris Christmas, but I do have some information
> about John Powntis.  The fact that the website Barbara points to
> mentions both Powntis and Poythres may mean we should be taking a
> closer look.
>
> I chased Powntis several years back -- if he is a Poythress then it
> would be big news since he was in VA at least a dozen years before
> Francis shows up in the records.
>
> Back in 1997 I posted the following from the Colonial Records Project
> and what I said at the time was  "the ship John "Powntis" was shipping
> his personal effects on in 1625 was the Hopewell. This is one of the
> three ships Francis "Poetres" is associated with in 1636. A decade is
> a long time. So, this may be meaningless trivia."  But now Dictoris
> Christmas pops up as connecting the two men, maybe.
>
> SURVEY REPORT No. 9951
> VIRGINIA COLONIAL RECORDS PROJECT
> DEPOSITORY Public Record Office CLASS C 24/511 Part I
>
> Title Chancery Records. Town Depositions
> Dates 1624/5
> References Court of Chancery Records C24-C243 p. 4
> Examined 10/10/75 Exposures 25
>
> John Woodall c. Sir Thomas Merry. See 507 Part II and 521 Part II
> no. 46 and 515 no. 94
>
> Depositions on behalf of Woodall
>
> P. 1-4 Thomas Clarke, November 4, 1624
> John Powntis hired by the Company of Sturgeon Fishers in London to go on
> two voyages to fish in Virginia. First on the Lions Claw and then on the
> Prosper.
> On his first-visit was given cattle by Sir George Yardley, some of which
> he sold last June. Powntis died in England. Details of goods he owned
> on the
> Hopewell including some tobacco.
>
> P.5-7 -Patrick Sanders January 15, 1624/5
> John Woodall a member of the company of Sturgeon Fishers but unsure of
> his share of the cargo of the Lyons Claw alias the Merchant
> Bonaventure. 'Details
> of the cargo of the Hopewell which included the account book of the
> Sturgeons Company
> but unsure which part of the cargo belonged to Powntis.
>
> P. 8 Thomas Hawes,, January 20,, 1624/5
> Treasurer of the Company of Sturgeon Fishers. Details of their stake in
> voyages to Virginia.
>
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:
>
>> Related to your query, Sandy, is extensive info about Dictoris
>> Christmas,
>> which I just located at a page belonging to the Virginia Foundation
>> for
>> Archaeological Research, Inc, at:
>>
>> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vavfar/ChristmasD.html
>>
>> This page is captioned "Notes about Dictoris Christmas of Elizabeth
>> City and
>> York Counties, Virginia" compiled from abstracts by Eve Gregory [who
>> does
>> very good work] and covers 1623 - 1669 records.
>>
>> And by the way, when I see a name like "John Powntis" (mentioned
>> more than
>> once on that page)  in the old records, I'm suspicious that it could
>> refer
>> to an odd Poythress spelling/transcription by whatever scribe
>> originally
>> wrote it up.
>> Bpn
>>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Applause for the ORIGINALS! William, not Walter, Stainback!SandyDon't mind at all, Maynard, though I'm not sure this directly relates
very much to Poythress research, but you never know.

As it turns out, I have found it within the LVa database since posting
my earlier message, but as best I can tell, only the patentee's name
is indexed, not adjacent landowners. I was searching for the patentee,
but I just missed it entirely and can't explain why other than sheer
stupidity or being blind as a bat.

LVa interprets the name as "Masters" whereas Nugent has "Mastert." I'm
pretty sure I looked for that variant during my search, but oh well.

Anyway, it's the patent of Michael Masters, "413 acs. Henrico County,
in Bermodo Hundred, July 24, 1645".... Pat Bk 2, p 26. My interest
being the neighboring property of "Capt. Woodlieffe."

-Sandy


On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:25 PM, John M. Poythress
wrote:
>
> So, Sandy, if you have captured that "stranger" land patent would you mind
>
> posting it for us with the patent book #, etc.   Many thanks.  Maynard
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
> Sandy
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:50
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Applause for the ORIGINALS! William, not Walter,Stainback!
>
>
>
> And, as a general rule, I've found Weisiger's abstracts to be very good,
>
> which is simply to say, "mistakes happen," even to the best.
>
> Ironically, this comes up at the very same time I've run across a VA land
>
> patent abstracted by Nugent which appears to have been inadvertently omitted
>
> from the library's indexing of the patents. I was able to find the original
>
> - but only by going to the chronological list and navigating to the book and
>
> page and downloading it. None of one the names in the patent show up in the
>
> library's patent search engine, so I most likely wouldn't have discovered
>
> this patent without Nugent's abstract.
>
>
>
> The moral (if there is one) seems to be that abstracts, indexes and
>
> originals all work together to serve our research. But then we're left with
>
> the mistakes and omissions that mar the original documents. 🙂  At best, I
>
> think, we can "support" our research via documenting sources, but "proof" is
>
> an elusive commodity.
>
>
>
> -Sandy
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thanks, Sandy.  Good catch on the Walter vs William.  I just double-checked
>
> > Weisiger's abstract, to make sure I had re-typed his abstract correctly for
>
> > Al, and sure enough Weisiger had mis-transcribed it as Walter.
>
> >
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?Barbara NealRelated to your query, Sandy, is extensive info about Dictoris Christmas,
which I just located at a page belonging to the Virginia Foundation for
Archaeological Research, Inc, at:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vavfar/ChristmasD.html

This page is captioned "Notes about Dictoris Christmas of Elizabeth City and
York Counties, Virginia" compiled from abstracts by Eve Gregory [who does
very good work] and covers 1623 - 1669 records.

And by the way, when I see a name like "John Powntis" (mentioned more than
once on that page) in the old records, I'm suspicious that it could refer
to an odd Poythress spelling/transcription by whatever scribe originally
wrote it up.
Bpn		04/29/2009 7:37:31
[POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?SandyDoes anyone know of a connection between Capt Francis Poythress and
Dictoris Christmas, and if so, could you enlighten me?

The reference which prompts this question comes from Pat Bk 2, p 139.
Nugent's abstract in C&P v 1, p 175, is as follows:

CAPT. FRANCIS POYTHRES, 750 acs. Charles City Co., May 8, 1648 Page
139. Near mouth of Baylyes Cr., adj. land belonging to the orphants of
Jenkin Osborne, thence Wly. to land of Thomas Bayly, now in the tenure
of John Butler. 350 acs. formerly granted to Jenkins Osborne &
purcahsed by sd. Poythres of Jenkin Osborne, Mary Osborne, & Capt.
Edward Hill by the right of Dictoris Christmas, cornfirmed by order of
court 27 Feb 1636. The other 450 acs. due by former patent.

As best I can tell, Dictoris Christmas' land was in Elizabeth City/
York Co., so I'm not sure how he fits into any of this (which is what
I'm trying ascertain.)

There's a pretty good compilation of references to Dictoris found on
this web page which includes some references to "Mr. John Powntis" --
I suspect may be a Poythress.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vavfar/ChristmasD.html

The connection might've been more through the Osbornes & Edwd Hill,
but again, I just don't know. Was hoping someone on this list might
know something. Unfortunately, I don't have the referenced court order
of 27 Feb 1636.

Thanks,
Sandy		04/29/2009 7:40:32
Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?SandyMaynard,

I don't question that Francis Poythress purchased the land which
belonged to Jenkin Osborne's orphans, but I'm inclined to assign a bit
more weight to the term "by right of Dictoris Christmas, confirmed by
order of court 27 Feb. 1636."
I think this may indicate Dictoris had some rights in this which
enabled Francis Poythress to make the purchase. I'm just not sure what
those rights might have been... perhaps as an agent, or perhaps due to
some other reason. For example, we have sons re-patenting land to
which they're entitled "by right of their father."

I surely could be wrong, but that's the my train of thought. None of
the relationships of those mentioned to Jenkin Osborne, dec'd, is
clear to me. As best I can tell, Jenkin died sometime prior to 14 July
1637, when his son, Francis Osborne, was granted a patent for 1300
acres, "Due in right of his late father JENKIN OSBORNE."

Jenkin Osborne was listed at Shirley Hundred in the 1623 list of the
living and dead. Later, we find the following patents:

1635 –
JENKIN OSBORNE, Pat Bk 1, p 214; 400 acs. Chas. Citty Co., 9 July 1635;
Lying bet. land of Capt. Woodley & William Bayly, N. upon James Riv. &
S. into the woods. Trans. of 8 pers: William Brock, Thomas Ashton,
John Cugley, Tho. Bateman, Tho. Tyler, Georg Purser, Thomas Jones,
Samll. Ramsey.
(C&P v 1, p 25)

1637 – (note 7 of the headrights listed in the 1635 patent are
repeated in this one):
FRANCIS OSBORNE, Pat Bk 1, p 439; 1300 acs. in Appomattuck Riv.,
bounding upon same, S. into the woods, W. upon land of Mr. William
Farrar, butting Ely. on Charles Citty now in the tenure of Capt.
Francis Epes. 14 July 1637, p. 439. Due in right of his late father
JENKIN OSBORNE, whoe trans. 26 pers: Mary Welch, Wm Brock, Tho. Asson,
John Congly (or Cougly), Thomas Batman, Thomas Tyler, George Purser,
Hannah May, Richard Gally, Samll. Ramsby, Rich. Aboge (or A. boye),
Tho. Baylye, Wm Waller, John Yeo, Joane Walters, John Tinwell, Wm.
Wright, Symon Trencher, Wm. Lighthollier, Hen. Ward, Thomas Lewis, Wm.
Austin, 2 Negroes, 1 Negroe more, Jon. Chamell.
(C&P v 1, p 60-61)

1648 –
CAPT. FRANCIS POYTHRESS, Pat Bk 2, p 139; 750 acs. Charles City Co.,
May 8, 1648, Page 139. Near mouth of Baylyes Cr., adj land belonging
to the orphants of Jenkin Osborne, thence Wly. to land of Thomas
Bayly, now in the tenure of John Butler. 350 acs. formerly granted to
Jenkin Osborne & purchased by sd. Poythres of Jenkin Osborne, Mary
Osborne & Capt. Edward Hill by the right of Dictoris Christmas,
confirmed by order of court 28 Feb. 1636. The other 450 acs. due by
former patent.
(C&P v 1, p 175)

And while it may be simply an unrelated coincidence, we do have
Dictoris Christmas bound to a John Powntis over at
Smythe's/Southampton Hundred back in 1625.

Are the court orders for 1636 extant?

-Sandy



On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:42 PM, John M. Poythress
wrote:
> I have read what I think are the relevant documents and I'm lead to conclude that Francis'
> 1648 patent suggests no particular connection between Francis and Dictoris Christmas.  It
> looks to me like the land in question was bought by Francis from Osborne and Hill..and
> sort of like,
>
> oh, by the way, Osborne and Hill got it from Dictorus Christmas (originally) and the
> reference to Christmas likely only stated the continuity of the title/grant/patent and/or
> further identified the land in question.
>
>
>
> I'm figuring I must have missed something relevant, what was it?
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
> Barbara Neal
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:38
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?
>
>
>
> Related to your query, Sandy, is extensive info about Dictoris Christmas,
>
> which I just located at a page belonging to the Virginia Foundation for
>
> Archaeological Research, Inc, at:
>
>
>
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vavfar/ChristmasD.html
>
>
>
> This page is captioned "Notes about Dictoris Christmas of Elizabeth City and
>
> York Counties, Virginia" compiled from abstracts by Eve Gregory [who does
>
> very good work] and covers 1623 - 1669 records.
>
>
>
> And by the way, when I see a name like "John Powntis" (mentioned more than
>
> once on that page)  in the old records, I'm suspicious that it could refer
>
> to an odd Poythress spelling/transcription by whatever scribe originally
>
> wrote it up.
>
> Bpn
>
>
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?Lou PooleAlso check this link:

http://files.usgwarchives.org/va/york/wills/c6230000.txt

This link suggests that that MIGHT have been a Dictoris Christmas AND
a Victoris Christmas in early Virginia, and that perhaps their names
have been confused in the records - which just adds possible confusion
to the issue.

In the link above it says: "On 8 May 1648 Dictoris Christmas is
mentioned in a division of land to
the orphans of Jenkin Osborne..." Following the Jenkin Osborne trail
may solve the riddle.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:41 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?

Does anyone know of a connection between Capt Francis Poythress and
Dictoris Christmas, and if so, could you enlighten me?

The reference which prompts this question comes from Pat Bk 2, p 139.
Nugent's abstract in C&P v 1, p 175, is as follows:

CAPT. FRANCIS POYTHRES, 750 acs. Charles City Co., May 8, 1648 Page
139. Near mouth of Baylyes Cr., adj. land belonging to the orphants of
Jenkin Osborne, thence Wly. to land of Thomas Bayly, now in the tenure
of John Butler. 350 acs. formerly granted to Jenkins Osborne &
purcahsed by sd. Poythres of Jenkin Osborne, Mary Osborne, & Capt.
Edward Hill by the right of Dictoris Christmas, cornfirmed by order of
court 27 Feb 1636. The other 450 acs. due by former patent.

As best I can tell, Dictoris Christmas' land was in Elizabeth City/
York Co., so I'm not sure how he fits into any of this (which is what
I'm trying ascertain.)

There's a pretty good compilation of references to Dictoris found on
this web page which includes some references to "Mr. John Powntis" --
I suspect may be a Poythress.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vavfar/ChristmasD.html

The connection might've been more through the Osbornes & Edwd Hill,
but again, I just don't know. Was hoping someone on this list might
know something. Unfortunately, I don't have the referenced court order
of 27 Feb 1636.

Thanks,
Sandy

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?Lou PooleBy all means, and if one has the time and resources, it will be
worthwhile to track this issue down. But I'm thinking that the result
is likely to be a disappointment.

"By the right of" may be merely invoking or suggesting a re-assignment
("sale") of patent rights. In early York County records one will find
many instances of a person coming into court apparently to obtain
"certification" of headrights (I don't think I've seen this in any of
the other early counties). It seems that this certification was
necessary or helpful in initiating the patent process that depended
upon the claim of transporting people. But headrights were sold
almost like currency or chits, so the "by right of" clause could
merely mean that headrights had been certified by the court and then
sold - in which case they could be used to claim land literally
anywhere open to settlement, and at any time thereafter. Etc., etc.,
etc.

What I'm trying to suggest is that it seems to me that the likelihood
that there was some connection - other than "business" - between
Francis Poythress and Dictoris Christmas seems low at this point.
But, on the other hand, such faint clues, traced to their full extent,
are sometimes the genesis of a breakthrough.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:43 AM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?

Maynard,

I don't question that Francis Poythress purchased the land which
belonged to Jenkin Osborne's orphans, but I'm inclined to assign a bit
more weight to the term "by right of Dictoris Christmas, confirmed by
order of court 27 Feb. 1636."
I think this may indicate Dictoris had some rights in this which
enabled Francis Poythress to make the purchase. I'm just not sure what
those rights might have been... perhaps as an agent, or perhaps due to
some other reason. For example, we have sons re-patenting land to
which they're entitled "by right of their father."

I surely could be wrong, but that's the my train of thought. None of
the relationships of those mentioned to Jenkin Osborne, dec'd, is
clear to me. As best I can tell, Jenkin died sometime prior to 14 July
1637, when his son, Francis Osborne, was granted a patent for 1300
acres, "Due in right of his late father JENKIN OSBORNE."

Jenkin Osborne was listed at Shirley Hundred in the 1623 list of the
living and dead. Later, we find the following patents:

1635
JENKIN OSBORNE, Pat Bk 1, p 214; 400 acs. Chas. Citty Co., 9 July
1635;
Lying bet. land of Capt. Woodley & William Bayly, N. upon James Riv. &
S. into the woods. Trans. of 8 pers: William Brock, Thomas Ashton,
John Cugley, Tho. Bateman, Tho. Tyler, Georg Purser, Thomas Jones,
Samll. Ramsey.
(C&P v 1, p 25)

1637 (note 7 of the headrights listed in the 1635 patent are
repeated in this one):
FRANCIS OSBORNE, Pat Bk 1, p 439; 1300 acs. in Appomattuck Riv.,
bounding upon same, S. into the woods, W. upon land of Mr. William
Farrar, butting Ely. on Charles Citty now in the tenure of Capt.
Francis Epes. 14 July 1637, p. 439. Due in right of his late father
JENKIN OSBORNE, whoe trans. 26 pers: Mary Welch, Wm Brock, Tho. Asson,
John Congly (or Cougly), Thomas Batman, Thomas Tyler, George Purser,
Hannah May, Richard Gally, Samll. Ramsby, Rich. Aboge (or A. boye),
Tho. Baylye, Wm Waller, John Yeo, Joane Walters, John Tinwell, Wm.
Wright, Symon Trencher, Wm. Lighthollier, Hen. Ward, Thomas Lewis, Wm.
Austin, 2 Negroes, 1 Negroe more, Jon. Chamell.
(C&P v 1, p 60-61)

1648
CAPT. FRANCIS POYTHRESS, Pat Bk 2, p 139; 750 acs. Charles City Co.,
May 8, 1648, Page 139. Near mouth of Baylyes Cr., adj land belonging
to the orphants of Jenkin Osborne, thence Wly. to land of Thomas
Bayly, now in the tenure of John Butler. 350 acs. formerly granted to
Jenkin Osborne & purchased by sd. Poythres of Jenkin Osborne, Mary
Osborne & Capt. Edward Hill by the right of Dictoris Christmas,
confirmed by order of court 28 Feb. 1636. The other 450 acs. due by
former patent.
(C&P v 1, p 175)

And while it may be simply an unrelated coincidence, we do have
Dictoris Christmas bound to a John Powntis over at
Smythe's/Southampton Hundred back in 1625.

Are the court orders for 1636 extant?

-Sandy



On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:42 PM, John M. Poythress
wrote:
> I have read what I think are the relevant documents and I'm lead to
conclude that Francis'
> 1648 patent suggests no particular connection between Francis and
Dictoris Christmas.  It
> looks to me like the land in question was bought by Francis from
Osborne and Hill..and
> sort of like,
>
> oh, by the way, Osborne and Hill got it from Dictorus Christmas
(originally) and the
> reference to Christmas likely only stated the continuity of the
title/grant/patent and/or
> further identified the land in question.
>
>
>
> I'm figuring I must have missed something relevant, what was it?
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
> Barbara Neal
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:38
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris
Christmas?
>
>
>
> Related to your query, Sandy, is extensive info about Dictoris
Christmas,
>
> which I just located at a page belonging to the Virginia Foundation
for
>
> Archaeological Research, Inc, at:
>
>
>
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vavfar/ChristmasD.html
>
>
>
> This page is captioned "Notes about Dictoris Christmas of Elizabeth
City and
>
> York Counties, Virginia" compiled from abstracts by Eve Gregory [who
does
>
> very good work] and covers 1623 - 1669 records.
>
>
>
> And by the way, when I see a name like "John Powntis" (mentioned
more than
>
> once on that page)  in the old records, I'm suspicious that it could
refer
>
> to an odd Poythress spelling/transcription by whatever scribe
originally
>
> wrote it up.
>
> Bpn
>
>
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas? - Chas City recordsBarbara NealIn answer to Sandy's question about whether the court orders for 1636 are
extant:
I've just checked the Family History Library catalog online for Charles
City, since it looked like that would be the county in question. They have
no court orders earlier than 1655, including in the series of records they
got from VA's library & archives.

In addition, neither are there any records that early for Charles City's
- other court records
- land records
- probate records		04/30/2009 3:04:06
Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas? - Chas City recordsSandyThanks, Barbara.I'm not surprised, since the court order would likely tell
more... and, of course, that would be too easy. 🙂

-Sandy

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> In answer to Sandy's question about whether the court orders for 1636 are
> extant:
> I've just checked the Family History Library catalog online for Charles
> City, since it looked like that would be the county in question. They have
> no court orders earlier than 1655, including in the series of records they
> got from VA's library & archives.
>
> In addition, neither are there any records that early for Charles City's
> - other court records
> - land records
> - probate records
>
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>		04/30/2009 5:14:31
Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?SandyWell, it wouldn't be the first disappointment I've encountered, that's for
sure. 🙂
In any case, this is the only reference I've found to Dictoris Christmas
having any dealings over in the Charles City vicinity. He seems to have been
pretty well-planted in the Southampton Hundred/ Elizabeth Citty/ York Co.
area.

Familial relationship in here or not, I think this record could give
indication of one or more parties within this patent having been connected
to the area where we find Dictoris Christmas. That alone could lead to some
more discovery.

John Powntis might not be a Poythress, but a John Powntis and Dictoris
Christmas had dealings with one another over in Smythe's/ Southampton
Hundred... and Dictoris Christmas is now associated with one singular patent
in Charles City, which happens to be a purchase by a Capt Francis Poythress.

Maybe I've just missed it, but I can't seem to find evidence of "Powntis"
being a surname... although that doesn't necessarily mean it was
"Poythress."

I find do other references to a John Powntis, including one in 1603, when he
and James Powntis were involved in purchasing or transporting stolen
(pirated) Venetion goods around Barbary, which they transported to England
on the Husband. In 1608, James & John Powntis were ordered by the Admiralty
Judge Thomas Crompton to repay the Venetian merchants the value of the
goods. Whether this is the same John Powntis who shows up later in the
colony is another question... but I have a hunch it was.

Meanwhile, it does appear that Jenkin Osborne was at Shirley Hundred in 1623
for the list of the living and the dead. And I'm just not entirely sure
which of the Hills this particular Capt. Edward Hill was, or what his
connection to the Osborne orphans may have been... possibly he was the
husband of one?

-Sandy


On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Lou Poole wrote:

> By all means, and if one has the time and resources, it will be
> worthwhile to track this issue down. But I'm thinking that the result
> is likely to be a disappointment.
>
> "By the right of" may be merely invoking or suggesting a re-assignment
> ("sale") of patent rights. In early York County records one will find
> many instances of a person coming into court apparently to obtain
> "certification" of headrights (I don't think I've seen this in any of
> the other early counties). It seems that this certification was
> necessary or helpful in initiating the patent process that depended
> upon the claim of transporting people. But headrights were sold
> almost like currency or chits, so the "by right of" clause could
> merely mean that headrights had been certified by the court and then
> sold - in which case they could be used to claim land literally
> anywhere open to settlement, and at any time thereafter. Etc., etc.,
> etc.
>
> What I'm trying to suggest is that it seems to me that the likelihood
> that there was some connection - other than "business" - between
> Francis Poythress and Dictoris Christmas seems low at this point.
> But, on the other hand, such faint clues, traced to their full extent,
> are sometimes the genesis of a breakthrough.
>
> Lou Poole
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
> [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:43 AM
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?
>
> Maynard,
>
> I don't question that Francis Poythress purchased the land which
> belonged to Jenkin Osborne's orphans, but I'm inclined to assign a bit
> more weight to the term "by right of Dictoris Christmas, confirmed by
> order of court 27 Feb. 1636."
> I think this may indicate Dictoris had some rights in this which
> enabled Francis Poythress to make the purchase. I'm just not sure what
> those rights might have been... perhaps as an agent, or perhaps due to
> some other reason. For example, we have sons re-patenting land to
> which they're entitled "by right of their father."
>
> I surely could be wrong, but that's the my train of thought. None of
> the relationships of those mentioned to Jenkin Osborne, dec'd, is
> clear to me. As best I can tell, Jenkin died sometime prior to 14 July
> 1637, when his son, Francis Osborne, was granted a patent for 1300
> acres, "Due in right of his late father JENKIN OSBORNE."
>
> Jenkin Osborne was listed at Shirley Hundred in the 1623 list of the
> living and dead. Later, we find the following patents:
>
> 1635 –
> JENKIN OSBORNE, Pat Bk 1, p 214; 400 acs. Chas. Citty Co., 9 July
> 1635;
> Lying bet. land of Capt. Woodley & William Bayly, N. upon James Riv. &
> S. into the woods. Trans. of 8 pers: William Brock, Thomas Ashton,
> John Cugley, Tho. Bateman, Tho. Tyler, Georg Purser, Thomas Jones,
> Samll. Ramsey.
> (C&P v 1, p 25)
>
> 1637 – (note 7 of the headrights listed in the 1635 patent are
> repeated in this one):
> FRANCIS OSBORNE, Pat Bk 1, p 439; 1300 acs. in Appomattuck Riv.,
> bounding upon same, S. into the woods, W. upon land of Mr. William
> Farrar, butting Ely. on Charles Citty now in the tenure of Capt.
> Francis Epes. 14 July 1637, p. 439. Due in right of his late father
> JENKIN OSBORNE, whoe trans. 26 pers: Mary Welch, Wm Brock, Tho. Asson,
> John Congly (or Cougly), Thomas Batman, Thomas Tyler, George Purser,
> Hannah May, Richard Gally, Samll. Ramsby, Rich. Aboge (or A. boye),
> Tho. Baylye, Wm Waller, John Yeo, Joane Walters, John Tinwell, Wm.
> Wright, Symon Trencher, Wm. Lighthollier, Hen. Ward, Thomas Lewis, Wm.
> Austin, 2 Negroes, 1 Negroe more, Jon. Chamell.
> (C&P v 1, p 60-61)
>
> 1648 –
> CAPT. FRANCIS POYTHRESS, Pat Bk 2, p 139; 750 acs. Charles City Co.,
> May 8, 1648, Page 139. Near mouth of Baylyes Cr., adj land belonging
> to the orphants of Jenkin Osborne, thence Wly. to land of Thomas
> Bayly, now in the tenure of John Butler. 350 acs. formerly granted to
> Jenkin Osborne & purchased by sd. Poythres of Jenkin Osborne, Mary
> Osborne & Capt. Edward Hill by the right of Dictoris Christmas,
> confirmed by order of court 28 Feb. 1636. The other 450 acs. due by
> former patent.
> (C&P v 1, p 175)
>
> And while it may be simply an unrelated coincidence, we do have
> Dictoris Christmas bound to a John Powntis over at
> Smythe's/Southampton Hundred back in 1625.
>
> Are the court orders for 1636 extant?
>
> -Sandy
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:42 PM, John M. Poythress
> wrote:
> > I have read what I think are the relevant documents and I'm lead to
> conclude that Francis'
> > 1648 patent suggests no particular connection between Francis and
> Dictoris Christmas. It
> > looks to me like the land in question was bought by Francis from
> Osborne and Hill..and
> > sort of like,
> >
> > oh, by the way, Osborne and Hill got it from Dictorus Christmas
> (originally) and the
> > reference to Christmas likely only stated the continuity of the
> title/grant/patent and/or
> > further identified the land in question.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm figuring I must have missed something relevant, what was it?
> >
> >
> >
> > Maynard
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
> [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
> > Barbara Neal
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:38
> > To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris
> Christmas?
> >
> >
> >
> > Related to your query, Sandy, is extensive info about Dictoris
> Christmas,
> >
> > which I just located at a page belonging to the Virginia Foundation
> for
> >
> > Archaeological Research, Inc, at:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vavfar/ChristmasD.html
> >
> >
> >
> > This page is captioned "Notes about Dictoris Christmas of Elizabeth
> City and
> >
> > York Counties, Virginia" compiled from abstracts by Eve Gregory [who
> does
> >
> > very good work] and covers 1623 - 1669 records.
> >
> >
> >
> > And by the way, when I see a name like "John Powntis" (mentioned
> more than
> >
> > once on that page) in the old records, I'm suspicious that it could
> refer
> >
> > to an odd Poythress spelling/transcription by whatever scribe
> originally
> >
> > wrote it up.
> >
> > Bpn
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------
> >
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>		04/30/2009 5:53:10
[POYTHRESS] Powntis - Bucks, no lessSandyWell, as long as I'm on this goose chase... thought I'd check the A2A
(Access to Archives) across the pond and see what turned up for "Powntis."
Got one hit back as "Pownties" in a bit earlier timeframe, but interesting
to me if only because it shows up in Bucks, which is "gound zero" for Capt.
John Woodlief (which surname, by the way, can be really convoluted that side
of the pond, for example, 'Wodelef')....
Court of Requests: Judgement. D-CE/M51 10 May 1551.
Rychard Turnor, and John Turnor as his guardian, being his father by Alice,
now deceased, daughter and heir of John Pownties of Greate Marlowe,
plaintiff, v. Tutcher Bold, Esq., and Sybell his wife.
Re a messuage and 1½a. late property of John Pownties, and after his death
of Julyan his wife, whose 2d. husband Thomas Phillippes is alleged by
defendants to have sold it them for £10.
Judgement given for plaintiff, provided that the poor woman now living in
the house may continue there until midsummer.

These documents are held at Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies

A search on the National Archives returned a PCC Will of Richard Powntys,
Draper of London
Date 30 August 1585.

But those are it. Just looks like this surname surely is a variant of
something else.

-Sandy		04/30/2009 6:58:25
Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?John M. PoythressWell, if they're dealing in stolen goods that certainly wouldn't make

them unique among Poythresses.



Maynard



-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
Sandy
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:53
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?



Well, it wouldn't be the first disappointment I've encountered, that's for

sure. 🙂

In any case, this is the only reference I've found to Dictoris Christmas

having any dealings over in the Charles City vicinity. He seems to have been

pretty well-planted in the Southampton Hundred/ Elizabeth Citty/ York Co.

area.



Familial relationship in here or not, I think this record could give

indication of one or more parties within this patent having been connected

to the area where we find Dictoris Christmas. That alone could lead to some

more discovery.



John Powntis might not be a Poythress, but a John Powntis and Dictoris

Christmas had dealings with one another over in Smythe's/ Southampton

Hundred... and Dictoris Christmas is now associated with one singular patent

in Charles City, which happens to be a purchase by a Capt Francis Poythress.



Maybe I've just missed it, but I can't seem to find evidence of "Powntis"

being a surname... although that doesn't necessarily mean it was

"Poythress."



I find do other references to a John Powntis, including one in 1603, when he

and James Powntis were involved in purchasing or transporting stolen

(pirated) Venetion goods around Barbary, which they transported to England

on the Husband. In 1608, James & John Powntis were ordered by the Admiralty

Judge Thomas Crompton to repay the Venetian merchants the value of the

goods. Whether this is the same John Powntis who shows up later in the

colony is another question... but I have a hunch it was.



Meanwhile, it does appear that Jenkin Osborne was at Shirley Hundred in 1623

for the list of the living and the dead. And I'm just not entirely sure

which of the Hills this particular Capt. Edward Hill was, or what his

connection to the Osborne orphans may have been... possibly he was the

husband of one?



-Sandy





On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Lou Poole wrote:



> By all means, and if one has the time and resources, it will be

> worthwhile to track this issue down. But I'm thinking that the result

> is likely to be a disappointment.

>

> "By the right of" may be merely invoking or suggesting a re-assignment

> ("sale") of patent rights. In early York County records one will find

> many instances of a person coming into court apparently to obtain

> "certification" of headrights (I don't think I've seen this in any of

> the other early counties). It seems that this certification was

> necessary or helpful in initiating the patent process that depended

> upon the claim of transporting people. But headrights were sold

> almost like currency or chits, so the "by right of" clause could

> merely mean that headrights had been certified by the court and then

> sold - in which case they could be used to claim land literally

> anywhere open to settlement, and at any time thereafter. Etc., etc.,

> etc.

>

> What I'm trying to suggest is that it seems to me that the likelihood

> that there was some connection - other than "business" - between

> Francis Poythress and Dictoris Christmas seems low at this point.

> But, on the other hand, such faint clues, traced to their full extent,

> are sometimes the genesis of a breakthrough.

>

> Lou Poole

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com

> [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy

> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:43 AM

> To: poythress@rootsweb.com

> Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris Christmas?

>

> Maynard,

>

> I don't question that Francis Poythress purchased the land which

> belonged to Jenkin Osborne's orphans, but I'm inclined to assign a bit

> more weight to the term "by right of Dictoris Christmas, confirmed by

> order of court 27 Feb. 1636."

> I think this may indicate Dictoris had some rights in this which

> enabled Francis Poythress to make the purchase. I'm just not sure what

> those rights might have been... perhaps as an agent, or perhaps due to

> some other reason. For example, we have sons re-patenting land to

> which they're entitled "by right of their father."

>

> I surely could be wrong, but that's the my train of thought. None of

> the relationships of those mentioned to Jenkin Osborne, dec'd, is

> clear to me. As best I can tell, Jenkin died sometime prior to 14 July

> 1637, when his son, Francis Osborne, was granted a patent for 1300

> acres, "Due in right of his late father JENKIN OSBORNE."

>

> Jenkin Osborne was listed at Shirley Hundred in the 1623 list of the

> living and dead. Later, we find the following patents:

>

> 1635 -

> JENKIN OSBORNE, Pat Bk 1, p 214; 400 acs. Chas. Citty Co., 9 July

> 1635;

> Lying bet. land of Capt. Woodley & William Bayly, N. upon James Riv. &

> S. into the woods. Trans. of 8 pers: William Brock, Thomas Ashton,

> John Cugley, Tho. Bateman, Tho. Tyler, Georg Purser, Thomas Jones,

> Samll. Ramsey.

> (C&P v 1, p 25)

>

> 1637 - (note 7 of the headrights listed in the 1635 patent are

> repeated in this one):

> FRANCIS OSBORNE, Pat Bk 1, p 439; 1300 acs. in Appomattuck Riv.,

> bounding upon same, S. into the woods, W. upon land of Mr. William

> Farrar, butting Ely. on Charles Citty now in the tenure of Capt.

> Francis Epes. 14 July 1637, p. 439. Due in right of his late father

> JENKIN OSBORNE, whoe trans. 26 pers: Mary Welch, Wm Brock, Tho. Asson,

> John Congly (or Cougly), Thomas Batman, Thomas Tyler, George Purser,

> Hannah May, Richard Gally, Samll. Ramsby, Rich. Aboge (or A. boye),

> Tho. Baylye, Wm Waller, John Yeo, Joane Walters, John Tinwell, Wm.

> Wright, Symon Trencher, Wm. Lighthollier, Hen. Ward, Thomas Lewis, Wm.

> Austin, 2 Negroes, 1 Negroe more, Jon. Chamell.

> (C&P v 1, p 60-61)

>

> 1648 -

> CAPT. FRANCIS POYTHRESS, Pat Bk 2, p 139; 750 acs. Charles City Co.,

> May 8, 1648, Page 139. Near mouth of Baylyes Cr., adj land belonging

> to the orphants of Jenkin Osborne, thence Wly. to land of Thomas

> Bayly, now in the tenure of John Butler. 350 acs. formerly granted to

> Jenkin Osborne & purchased by sd. Poythres of Jenkin Osborne, Mary

> Osborne & Capt. Edward Hill by the right of Dictoris Christmas,

> confirmed by order of court 28 Feb. 1636. The other 450 acs. due by

> former patent.

> (C&P v 1, p 175)

>

> And while it may be simply an unrelated coincidence, we do have

> Dictoris Christmas bound to a John Powntis over at

> Smythe's/Southampton Hundred back in 1625.

>

> Are the court orders for 1636 extant?

>

> -Sandy

>

>

>

> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 8:42 PM, John M. Poythress

> wrote:

> > I have read what I think are the relevant documents and I'm lead to

> conclude that Francis'

> > 1648 patent suggests no particular connection between Francis and

> Dictoris Christmas. It

> > looks to me like the land in question was bought by Francis from

> Osborne and Hill..and

> > sort of like,

> >

> > oh, by the way, Osborne and Hill got it from Dictorus Christmas

> (originally) and the

> > reference to Christmas likely only stated the continuity of the

> title/grant/patent and/or

> > further identified the land in question.

> >

> >

> >

> > I'm figuring I must have missed something relevant, what was it?

> >

> >

> >

> > Maynard

> >

> >

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com

> [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of

> > Barbara Neal

> > Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:38

> > To: poythress@rootsweb.com

> > Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Capt Francis Poythress & Dictoris

> Christmas?

> >

> >

> >

> > Related to your query, Sandy, is extensive info about Dictoris

> Christmas,

> >

> > which I just located at a page belonging to the Virginia Foundation

> for

> >

> > Archaeological Research, Inc, at:

> >

> >

> >

> > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vavfar/ChristmasD.html

> >

> >

> >

> > This page is captioned "Notes about Dictoris Christmas of Elizabeth

> City and

> >

> > York Counties, Virginia" compiled from abstracts by Eve Gregory [who

> does

> >

> > very good work] and covers 1623 - 1669 records.

> >

> >

> >

> > And by the way, when I see a name like "John Powntis" (mentioned

> more than

> >

> > once on that page) in the old records, I'm suspicious that it could

> refer

> >

> > to an odd Poythress spelling/transcription by whatever scribe

> originally

> >

> > wrote it up.

> >

> > Bpn

> >

> >

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[POYTHRESS] FW: Applause for the ORIGINALS! William, not Walter, Stainback!John M. PoythressI'm posting this to the list as something of a jump ball. As usual, read this entire
thread from the bottom up for the "continuity." I have had some correspondence and
swapped some files with a couple of gentlemen researching the Stainback family.
Stainbacks are all over "our" vicinities and interspersed through more than a few early
Poythress documents.



Since the Walter/William Stainback issue came up recently, I knew that Charlie and I both
had

the "correct" William. I'm not sure why we had it "William"; perhaps one or both of us
transcribed it off of microfilm instead of somebody's text. At any rate, just to be sure
he had it I

sent him an email just to let him know that the image was "on the board."



Anyway, be that as it may, Charlie and his associates have for some time been tussling
with a premise that allows for the wife of the John Poythress at hand (RBB DC) to possibly
have been a Mary Stainback. They have a number of circumstantial issues suggesting this.
Charlie cites one of the in his email.



Note in Charlie's email to me his new comments particularly referencing Lou's speculations

on this matter. Lou, no doubt you'll want to weigh in on this one.



And Charlie, if you're not already signed on to the Poythress rootsweb list you may want
to do so at least for the duration of this issue because I'm guessing that more than just
Lou will comment.



Happy Derby Day to you all.



Maynard



_____

From: chrath@aol.com [mailto:chrath@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 4:15
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Applause for the ORIGINALS! William, not Walter,Stainback!



I was curious if you've bounced Jim Hamlin's assertion that John Poythress's (of 1724
will) wife could possibly be Mary daughter of William Stainback Sr with other Poythress
researchers.....Lou Poole and others. Was just rereading Lou's assertion that she may
have been a Hardyman and wondered what his take on it was. Since Mary ? Poythress married
second to Abbington who also witnessed William Stainback Sr's will in 1739, it stands to
reason that she may have been a Stainback.

Thanks again for the original copy of the will...

Charlie


-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress
To: CHRATH@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:05 am
Subject: FW: [POYTHRESS] Applause for the ORIGINALS! William, not Walter,Stainback!

Charlie..I had "William" all along so I'm guessing this is not an issue for us. I've

copied my transcript and now apparently (if you don't already have it) you can access

the image of the thing at www.Poythress.net



I just now noticed another witness as a John Stainback. It just now jogged my attention

because I haven't had a long spell of looking for Stainbacks in the first place.



Likely for you to be a non-event but just passing it along in case.



Best,



John







-----Original Message-----

From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [
mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of Sandy

Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:36

To: poythress@rootsweb.com

Subject: [POYTHRESS] Applause for the ORIGINALS! William, not Walter,Stainback!



Just wanted to thank Barbara and Al again for such a wonderful job of

getting the scanned images of the 1724 will of John Poythress online.



Also, to point out how valuable these are, I want to make note that the

abstract of this will which is on the Poythress site reads:

" To son John, my plantation where I now live, 100 acres; also 100 acres

adjacent called Colebrook, taking in Ivey Point, running down to Hugh Evans

spring bottom, to Walter Stainback's...."



BUT, the scanned images definitely show that this was WILLILAM Stainback!

That's a good find. The Stainback lines also tie in closely with those of

the Woodliefs, and this name was just questioned by a Stainback researcher

who was convinced this was an error in transcription and should've read

"William," since this is the only reference he's seen to=2 0a "Walter"

Stainback.



Turns out, he was right!



Thanks again, Barbara and Al.



All the best,

Sandy





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Re: [POYTHRESS] FW: Applause for the ORIGINALS! William, not Walter, Stainback!Lou PooleCan I punt, or more correctly - lateral, on this issue? 🙂

I admit that my opinion on the issue of the wife of John Poythress was
greatly influenced by the preeminent Virginia genealogist of our time:
John Frederick Dorman on pp. 126-127 of his "Ancestors and Descendants
of Francis Epes I of Virginia" says, e.g.:

""The will of Littlebury Hardyman mentions sisters but surviving
records do not identify the daughters born to John and Mary (Epes)
Hardyman. The use of both names Littlebury and Hardyman in the family
of Mary, wife first of John Poythress and then of John Abbington and
in the Irby family of Charles City County, of the name Littlebury in
the family of Joshua Poythress, and of the given name Henrietta Maria
in the Irby family of Amelia County suggests that these families may
have Epes-Hardyman descent, most likely as descendants of Mary (Epes)
Hardyman Goodrich."

He addresses this Epes -Hardyman- Poythress issue at several other
places in the referenced book (see, for example, p. 205).

I will say that Mr. Dorman doesn't offer anything stronger than
circumstantial evidence, and that certainly is not PROOF. But though
I have challenged Mr. Dorman on several points in the past, I have
"won" only on one (very minor) point. So, the issue seems to come
down to a contention of circumstantial evidence, and in such cases the
"conclusion" is often going to be a subjective decision.

On the other hand, I will note that one line in the full transcript of
John Poythress' will as provided in "The Southside Virginian," Vol.
IX, No. 4, Oct-Dec 1991, pp. 154-155 [which ironically is edited and
published by Mr. Dorman] leaves some room for creative interpretation.

"...Item. I apoint my two Brothers Thomas & Joshua Wynne and William
Stainback to be ye Deviders of my Estate..."

I.e., who were the "two" brothers? I read that line as Thomas and
Joshua Wynne were the two brothers referred to, and that William
Stainback (who was certainly a close neighbor of John Poythress) was
named as a third person. (Now if William Stainback was a
brother-in-law, one would think John Poythress would have worded that
line as "I appoint my three Brothers...")

Re-reviewing the evidence I compiled some years ago, I do notice that
the Poythress and Hardyman families interacted much more frequently in
the records than did the Poythress and Stainback families, and the
Poythress and Hardyman families, to me, seem to be closer to the same
social stratum - if that makes any difference.

I don't have better information to offer.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John M. Poythress
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:15 AM
To: poythress-l@rootsweb.com
Cc: CHRATH@aol.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] FW: Applause for the ORIGINALS! William, not
Walter, Stainback!

I'm posting this to the list as something of a jump ball. As usual,
read this entire
thread from the bottom up for the "continuity." I have had some
correspondence and
swapped some files with a couple of gentlemen researching the
Stainback family.
Stainbacks are all over "our" vicinities and interspersed through more
than a few early
Poythress documents.



Since the Walter/William Stainback issue came up recently, I knew that
Charlie and I both
had

the "correct" William. I'm not sure why we had it "William"; perhaps
one or both of us
transcribed it off of microfilm instead of somebody's text. At any
rate, just to be sure
he had it I

sent him an email just to let him know that the image was "on the
board."



Anyway, be that as it may, Charlie and his associates have for some
time been tussling
with a premise that allows for the wife of the John Poythress at hand
(RBB DC) to possibly
have been a Mary Stainback. They have a number of circumstantial
issues suggesting this.
Charlie cites one of the in his email.



Note in Charlie's email to me his new comments particularly
referencing Lou's speculations

on this matter. Lou, no doubt you'll want to weigh in on this one.



And Charlie, if you're not already signed on to the Poythress rootsweb
list you may want
to do so at least for the duration of this issue because I'm guessing
that more than just
Lou will comment.



Happy Derby Day to you all.



Maynard



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From: chrath@aol.com [mailto:chrath@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 4:15
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Applause for the ORIGINALS! William, not
Walter,Stainback!



I was curious if you've bounced Jim Hamlin's assertion that John
Poythress's (of 1724
will) wife could possibly be Mary daughter of William Stainback Sr
with other Poythress
researchers.....Lou Poole and others. Was just rereading Lou's
assertion that she may
have been a Hardyman and wondered what his take on it was. Since Mary
? Poythress married
second to Abbington who also witnessed William Stainback Sr's will in
1739, it stands to
reason that she may have been a Stainback.

Thanks again for the original copy of the will...

Charlie


-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress
To: CHRATH@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:05 am
Subject: FW: [POYTHRESS] Applause for the ORIGINALS! William, not
Walter,Stainback!

Charlie..I had "William" all along so I'm guessing this is not an
issue for us. I've

copied my transcript and now apparently (if you don't already have it)
you can access

the image of the thing at
www.Poythress.net



I just now noticed another witness as a John Stainback. It just now
jogged my attention

because I haven't had a long spell of looking for Stainbacks in the
first place.



Likely for you to be a non-event but just passing it along in case.



Best,



John







-----Original Message-----

From:
poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [

mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of Sandy

Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:36

To: poythress@rootsweb.com

Subject: [POYTHRESS] Applause for the ORIGINALS! William, not
Walter,Stainback!



Just wanted to thank Barbara and Al again for such a wonderful job of

getting the scanned images of the 1724 will of John Poythress online.



Also, to point out how valuable these are, I want to make note that
the

abstract of this will which is on the Poythress site reads:

" To son John, my plantation where I now live, 100 acres; also 100
acres

adjacent called Colebrook, taking in Ivey Point, running down to Hugh
Evans

spring bottom, to Walter Stainback's...."



BUT, the scanned images definitely show that this was WILLILAM
Stainback!

That's a good find. The Stainback lines also tie in closely with those
of

the Woodliefs, and this name was just questioned by a Stainback
researcher

who was convinced this was an error in transcription and should've
read

"William," since this is the only reference he's seen to=2 0a "Walter"

Stainback.



Turns out, he was right!



Thanks again, Barbara and Al.



All the best,

Sandy





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[POYTHRESS] John Pountes/Powntis of London & VA, last will & testamentSandyUpdating the wild goose chase per John Powntis/ Pountes (etc.)
referenced earlier by Al Timms and who had dealings with Dictoris
Christmas. More on this John's Virginia activities in a separate
message.

John left a will in London, as did his relation, John Hollinshed. I'll
post some more on John Powntis/ Pountis in a bit...

The following is a cut-and-paste job (except I've put the testators
names in caps), from the scanned book at Google Books - direct URL
should be:
http://books.google.com/books?id=zsYMAAAAYAAJ

"The New England Historical and Genealogical Register,"by Henry
Fitz-Gilbert Waters,
Published by New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1895
Genealogical gleanings in England, by H. F. Waters, pp 509-510

JOHN POUNTES citizen and clothworker of London, 29 December 1618,
proved 18 June 1624.
My stock in Virginia fishing, being about one hundred and twenty seven
pounds to be for my executor Sir Thomas Merry and at his disposing my
suit of law against Sir Robert Napper and Nicholas Léate, whatsoever
is recovered, the one half to be given Hewitt Staper and his children
towards his maintenance and the other for my executor, as also the
like to be done for all things that shall be made of the magazine or
warehouse at Petrasse with all the rents thereof due to me by Hewitt
Staper, all charges being deducted, the half to be given him &c., the
rest for my executor, and for the suit of law with one Hildebrand
Praisor, the charges being deducted, the one half for my self and the
other half for Emanuel Dolidra to pay his charges of imprisonment and
the other half for my executor (sic), for the accompt of Brazil * * in
Turky (sic) ander Josua Downing's care the proceed thereof is wholly
to come to my executor, and for books I will that Patrick Sandes and
Mr. John Woddall have them between them, as also five pound the piece
to make them each a ring. Concerning my house and the lease thereof my
desire is that Mrs. Stapers shall dwell therein during the term of
five years and then my executor to make the most thereof he can for
his and his childrens* use. Also I bequeath to my cousin John Pountis
five pounds to make him a ring and as much for his sister my cousin
Husband's wife. I make my loving cousin Sir Thomas Merry, knight, my
full and whole executor, and thus being in haste on my journey for
Virginia I make a finall end of this my last wffl and testament.

This is the last will and testament of me John Pountes to be kept lor
me till my return or certain notice of my death, then to be opened by
my dear cousin Sr Thomas Merry. Byrde, 64.

[John Pountis, Vice-Admiral of Virginia, of the King's Council, was a
cousin of Sir Thomas Merry, died in 1623, on his voyage to England.—W.
K. W Atkins.]
--------

also the last will & testament of a relation....

JOHN HOLLINSHED, citizen and draper of London 21 November 1616, proved
4 December 1616.
To Cousin William, son of my late brother William Hollinshed deceased,
the messuage or Tavern commonly called the eign of the Grayhound in
Holborn, in the parish of St. Andrew's Holborn, now or late in the
tenure or occupation of John Robinson, baker. To my cousin Timothy,
son of my late brother William, my messuage &c. called the Katherine
Wheel, near Holborn conduit in the parish of St. Sepulchre's London.
My cousin Dorothy Valentine, daughter of my said cousin Timothy. To
Mary Pountis als Husbandes, wife of Richard Husbandes, sometime my
servant and now citizen and draper of London, my right and interest in
the messuage or Inn called the Bush in Hagshott and other lands and
tenements in Finchamsteil, in Surrey and in Berkshire &c. To my cousin
Margaret Pouncer the debt her husband oweth me. My cousin Oliver
Eastoo's children. To John Pountis the elder, my son in law, ten
pounds, in twelve months after my decease. To John Pountis my godson
twenty pounds when he is a freeman of London. The poor of St. Leonard
East- cheap. My messuages in Black Raven Alley within Algate. To my
cousin William Hollinshed my seal ring &c. ; to his wife my diamond
ring &c. To his son Thomas a spout pot &c. To my cousin George Elliott
and his wife four pounds and to his son in law and his wife four
pounds and to his sou Henry Ellyott four pounds, to be paid them out
of that bond that the said Henry Elliott oweth me. Others named. My
cousin Timothy to be executor. The poor of St. Michael Hugau Lane.
Proved by Timothy Hollinshead. Cope, 126.
--------------

Note: John Hollinshed leaves a legacy to the poor of Saint Leonard
East Cheapside. The registers of Saint Leonard have been extracted to
the IGI and show the following marriages (batch #M055471):
04 Dec 1585: John Hollinshed to Anne PONNTIS
16 MAY 1597: Mary POMITES to Richard Husbandes

Also the following baptisms (batch #C055472):
15 June 1574: John Pountys, s/o Richard
08 July 1576: William Pountys, s/o Richard
29 Aug 1577: Anne Powntes, d/o Richard
05 May 1579 Mary Powntys, d/o Richard
28 Aug 1580: Thomas Pountes, s/o Richard
25 Feb 1581: George Pountes, s/o Richard
05 May1583: Jacob Pountes, s/o Richard
26 Sept 1585: Anne Pountes, d/o Richard

01 May 1588 (also shows died 02 May 1588): John Hollinshed, s/o John;
21 Nov 1591, Elizabeth Hollinshed, d/o John

26 July 1607, Samuel Husbandes, s/o Richard.
27 July 1609 (died 05 Dec 1611) Sara Husband, d/o Richard
25 Nov 1610, Mary Husband, d/o Richard
25 Mar 1612, Richard Husband, s/o Richard
-------------

-Sandy		05/02/2009 9:05:54
[POYTHRESS] update on John Powntis, Pountes, etc.SandyJohn Powntis / Pountes (and a couple of other spelling variants) -
• member of the Colonial Council (Wm & Mary Quarterly, Vol. 3, No. 1,
July 1894, pp 65-67);
• first "agent" - "appointed by Virginia to present the case of the
colony against the abrogation of its charter," - (book review
published in Aug 1945 issue of 'The Journal of Southern History,' of
the Southern Historical Assn; the book reviewe was, "The Colonial
Agents of the Southern Colonies," by Ella Lonn, published by the UNC
Press, Chapel HIll, NC, 1945.) <-- I have not seen this book yet.

*Many* references to John Powntis/ Pountis/ Pewntis/ Penreis in the
London Company papers. If interested, these are easily obtained via
online searc of the London Company records .... the direct link is
very long, so just go to:
http://www.virtualjamestown.org/firsthand.html
and click on the hyperlinked:
e) Records of the Virginia Company

When the list of hits comes up, click on one... then click on
"section" to get the full document so you'll have the full context.

I have come across one potential caveat regarding this John Powntis/
Pountis (etc).
This is found within the Wm & Mary Quarterly, Vol VII, No 4, April
1899; within a large section of "Isle of Wight County Records":
pg 216:
Massacred by the Indians on Good Friday, March 22, 1622
Total Killed in Virginia, 347, Out of a Population of 1,240
Killed at Mr. Edward Bennett's Plantation:
"Mr. John Pountis his men"

I see a couple of possibilities, perhaps the most obvious being a
completely different John Pountis, which I do not think is very
likely.
Another possibility seems to be that John Pountis' men were killed,
but not Pountis himself.

Finally, so far, this chase hasn't shed much light on the original
question of whether there's a potential connection between this John
Powntis/Pountes, who had Virginia dealings with Dictoris Christmas,
and the later Francis Poythers/Poythres who shows up in 1637 with a
Chas City land patent, and in 1648 patents land, part in right of
Dictoris Christmas, apparently connected to a 1636 order of a court,
which court as well as details of the order are yet unknown.

Per his last will & testament (which of course was written before he
came over to the colony), Powntis/ Pountis does not seem to have had a
wife or children. Of course, it's possible he got himself a wife in
Virginia, but since we have no record to substantiate one, I'm not
going to create one. That said, John's will shows that he certainly
did have relations... including another John Pountes.

All of which is about as clear as mud, *but*, at least we know a bit
more about one of our early colonists and have some additional names
which might prove of use and lead the way to other connections... some
day/ some way. You just never know....

What does seem highly probable (dare I say near certain?) is that this
John Powntis and/or his cousin, John, or perhaps father or other
relation - was the John Powntis who transported John Ward's pirated
Venetian goods aboard the "Husband."

I note John's will provides for, "Emanuel Dolidra to pay his charges
of imprisonment and the other half for my executor (sic), for the
accompt of Brazil * * in Turky (sic) ander Josua Downing's care the
proceed thereof is wholly to come to my executor..." I think this
almost certainly a garbled translation and refers to Joshua Downing, a
Royal Navy commissioner who was known to have a brother, Emmanuel...
and whose family seem to have had associations with privateers and the
slave trade.

All of which only heightens my own suspicions of Al's earlier mention
of the ship, "Hopewell" as a possible common thread between the
earlier John Powntis/ Pountis/ Pountes and the later Francis Poetres.

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Sept 7, 1957 murder in L.A. of Carol Poythress (married 1.Smith &2.Sonnenberg)Thanks Barbara,
I don't remember that story. I need to ask Pat if he remembers it since his dad & Robert Lee were brothers & he was a little younger than Mae Carol.
Judy
-------------- Original message from Barbara Neal : --------------


> Some of you long-time subscribers to our Poythress email list (
> POYTHRESS@rootsweb.com) may recall mention of this murder. I looked for a
> while this morning for my photocopies of the news articles about it, in
> order to help someone researching this lovely young woman (born Mae Carol
> Poythress, of the James Speed Poythress line; she was the daughter of
> Robert L. Poythress, Jr. and Addie Kate Husband). I found the articles and
> now want to post them here so the info will be archived in our Message
> Archives, and more easily retrieved.
>
> Not only Carol and her parents are long dead, but from the SSDI (Social
> Security Death Index, available online, free, at
> http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com) we know that the man who killed her died
> in January of 1995. [He served 7 years for the murder.]
>
> I know from when I lived in the L.A. area, that the below Los Angeles
> address where she died, is near huge and lovely Echo Park, not far from I-5,
> the Golden State Freeway or from US-101, the Hollywood Freeway. It, and the
> other addresses mentioned in these articles, would've been nice
> neighborhoods in 1957, and are probably all still nice neighborhoods today
> though I have not seen them in years.
>
> I'm transcribing these 4 articles come from photocopies Los Angeles Times
> articles, as found on microfilm. Please note that the victim's married
> surname is variously given both as Smith and as Sonnenberg in these
> articles, all of which are about the same young woman, born Mae Carol
> Poythress.
> Bpn
> = = =
>
> Fri, Sept. 6, 1957
> Woman Slain, Boys Almost Seize Suspect
> A 26-year-old divorcee fell dead on the steps of her Sliver Lake
> apartment home last night, fleeing from a man who stabbed her during a
> quarrel, police reported.
> The suspect then eluded capture by a group of teenage boys who attacked
> him with belts, shoes and other assorted weapons and then chased him in a
> convoy of cars.
> Police identified the dead woman as Mrs. Carol Smith, 1553 1/2 Ewing St.
> The suspect was said to be a man who had been her companion the last few
> weeks.
> Screams for Help:
> Mrs. Smith, police said, ran down the stairs of her apartment, screaming
> for help, and collapsed in the arms of a neighbor [whose name and address I
> am not including, since he may still be living].
> Police said the suspect, carrying a sharp instrument, leaped over her
> body and flew toward his car, parked in front of the Ewing St. address.
> [The neighbor in whose arms she collapsed], police reported, shouted to a
> group of teenage boys nearby, asking them to stop the man.
> Followed in Autos:
> Police said the youths caught the fleeing man as he entered his car,
> broke open one of the windows and inflicted at least one gash across his
> face before he sped away. They followed him in several cars, police were
> told, but lost the suspect about a mile away.
> Mrs. Smith's son [first name given in the article], 4, was asleep in the
> apartment when the stabbing took place, police said. The woman was stabbed
> once in the neck and once in the chest.
> The boy was taken to Juvenile Hall for his protection, police said.
> His father, [whose name and address I am not including, since he may
> still be living] and his mother were divorced in December 1955.
>
> = = =
> Sat, Sept. 7, 1957
> Hunt Widens for Mate of Fatally Stabbed Wife
> Husband Flees in Car After Victim Falls Dying on Steps; Vainly Chased by
> Youths
> Police yesterday issued an all-points bulletin for John Sonnenberg, 35
> [sic; should be age 28 going by SSDI showing his birth was 30 June 1929],
> as a suspect in the Thursday night stabbing murder of his wife Mrs. Carol
> Smith Sonnenberg, 26, at her Silver Lake home.
> Sonnenberg, according to Det. Sgt. Harry Hansen, fled in his automobile
> after Mrs. Smith collapsed and died on the steps at 1553 1/2 Ewing St. A
> group of teenage youths tried to stop Sonnenberg, Sgt. Hansen said, and then
> chased him for a mile.
> Seen by Neighbor:
> A neighbor [same one as mentioned in 6 Sep article] told officers he
> heard sounds of a quarrel from Mrs. Sonnenberg's apartment. He stepped
> outside when she screamed for help, he told police, and caught her as she
> fell on the steps. [He] called to the youths outside to stop Sonnenberg as
> the latter vaulted Mrs. Sonnenberg's body and ran toward his car.
> The couple were married in Mexico last December. Mrs. Sonnenberg's son
> by an earlier marriage, [first name in article], 4, was asleep in the
> apartment when his mother was stabbed.
> Last month, police said, Mrs. Sonnenberg told police her husband had been
> threatening her, but the City Attorney's office refused to issue a
> complaint.
> Sgt. Hansen said Sonnenberg was believed to be driving an automobile
> borrowed from a friend. Detectives said Sonnenberg apparently drove to his
> home at 740 S Cochran Ave. to change his bloody clothing, then abandoned his
> own car near 339 S Sycamore Ave.
>
> = = =
>
> Tues, Sept. 10, 1957 Deaths, Funeral Announcements column:
> Smith, Carol
> Services Wednesday, 3 p.m., at the Chapel of the Psalms, Hollywood
> Cemetery. Utter-McKinley's Wilshire, directors.
>
> = = =
>
> Tues, Aug. 9, 1960
> Knife Slayer of Woman Sentenced
> John E. Sonnenberg, 30 [sic; actually then 31] recently convicted of
> second-degree murder in the knife slaying of a young mother nearly three
> years ago, yesterday was sentenced to prison for five years to life.
> The victim of the slaying was Mrs. Carol Smith, 26 [sic; actually 25 when
> she died], mother of a 4-year-old boy. She was slashed to death Sept. 5,
> 1957.
> Sonnenberg fled to Texas, where he married, and then to Miami where he
> became a travel consultant and where he was found by the FBI. He was
> extradited here for trial.
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in
> the subject and the body of the message		05/06/2009 5:08:44
[POYTHRESS] Sept 7, 1957 murder in L.A. of Carol Poythress (married 1.Smith & 2.Sonnenberg)Barbara NealSome of you long-time subscribers to our Poythress email list (
POYTHRESS@rootsweb.com) may recall mention of this murder. I looked for a
while this morning for my photocopies of the news articles about it, in
order to help someone researching this lovely young woman (born Mae Carol
Poythress, of the James Speed Poythress line; she was the daughter of
Robert L. Poythress, Jr. and Addie Kate Husband). I found the articles and
now want to post them here so the info will be archived in our Message
Archives, and more easily retrieved.

Not only Carol and her parents are long dead, but from the SSDI (Social
Security Death Index, available online, free, at
http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com) we know that the man who killed her died
in January of 1995. [He served 7 years for the murder.]

I know from when I lived in the L.A. area, that the below Los Angeles
address where she died, is near huge and lovely Echo Park, not far from I-5,
the Golden State Freeway or from US-101, the Hollywood Freeway. It, and the
other addresses mentioned in these articles, would've been nice
neighborhoods in 1957, and are probably all still nice neighborhoods today
though I have not seen them in years.

I'm transcribing these 4 articles come from photocopies Los Angeles Times
articles, as found on microfilm. Please note that the victim's married
surname is variously given both as Smith and as Sonnenberg in these
articles, all of which are about the same young woman, born Mae Carol
Poythress.
Bpn
= = =

Fri, Sept. 6, 1957
Woman Slain, Boys Almost Seize Suspect
A 26-year-old divorcee fell dead on the steps of her Sliver Lake
apartment home last night, fleeing from a man who stabbed her during a
quarrel, police reported.
The suspect then eluded capture by a group of teenage boys who attacked
him with belts, shoes and other assorted weapons and then chased him in a
convoy of cars.
Police identified the dead woman as Mrs. Carol Smith, 1553 1/2 Ewing St.
The suspect was said to be a man who had been her companion the last few
weeks.
Screams for Help:
Mrs. Smith, police said, ran down the stairs of her apartment, screaming
for help, and collapsed in the arms of a neighbor [whose name and address I
am not including, since he may still be living].
Police said the suspect, carrying a sharp instrument, leaped over her
body and flew toward his car, parked in front of the Ewing St. address.
[The neighbor in whose arms she collapsed], police reported, shouted to a
group of teenage boys nearby, asking them to stop the man.
Followed in Autos:
Police said the youths caught the fleeing man as he entered his car,
broke open one of the windows and inflicted at least one gash across his
face before he sped away. They followed him in several cars, police were
told, but lost the suspect about a mile away.
Mrs. Smith's son [first name given in the article], 4, was asleep in the
apartment when the stabbing took place, police said. The woman was stabbed
once in the neck and once in the chest.
The boy was taken to Juvenile Hall for his protection, police said.
His father, [whose name and address I am not including, since he may
still be living] and his mother were divorced in December 1955.

= = =
Sat, Sept. 7, 1957
Hunt Widens for Mate of Fatally Stabbed Wife
Husband Flees in Car After Victim Falls Dying on Steps; Vainly Chased by
Youths
Police yesterday issued an all-points bulletin for John Sonnenberg, 35
[sic; should be age 28 going by SSDI showing his birth was 30 June 1929],
as a suspect in the Thursday night stabbing murder of his wife Mrs. Carol
Smith Sonnenberg, 26, at her Silver Lake home.
Sonnenberg, according to Det. Sgt. Harry Hansen, fled in his automobile
after Mrs. Smith collapsed and died on the steps at 1553 1/2 Ewing St. A
group of teenage youths tried to stop Sonnenberg, Sgt. Hansen said, and then
chased him for a mile.
Seen by Neighbor:
A neighbor [same one as mentioned in 6 Sep article] told officers he
heard sounds of a quarrel from Mrs. Sonnenberg's apartment. He stepped
outside when she screamed for help, he told police, and caught her as she
fell on the steps. [He] called to the youths outside to stop Sonnenberg as
the latter vaulted Mrs. Sonnenberg's body and ran toward his car.
The couple were married in Mexico last December. Mrs. Sonnenberg's son
by an earlier marriage, [first name in article], 4, was asleep in the
apartment when his mother was stabbed.
Last month, police said, Mrs. Sonnenberg told police her husband had been
threatening her, but the City Attorney's office refused to issue a
complaint.
Sgt. Hansen said Sonnenberg was believed to be driving an automobile
borrowed from a friend. Detectives said Sonnenberg apparently drove to his
home at 740 S Cochran Ave. to change his bloody clothing, then abandoned his
own car near 339 S Sycamore Ave.

= = =

Tues, Sept. 10, 1957 Deaths, Funeral Announcements column:
Smith, Carol
Services Wednesday, 3 p.m., at the Chapel of the Psalms, Hollywood
Cemetery. Utter-McKinley's Wilshire, directors.

= = =

Tues, Aug. 9, 1960
Knife Slayer of Woman Sentenced
John E. Sonnenberg, 30 [sic; actually then 31] recently convicted of
second-degree murder in the knife slaying of a young mother nearly three
years ago, yesterday was sentenced to prison for five years to life.
The victim of the slaying was Mrs. Carol Smith, 26 [sic; actually 25 when
she died], mother of a 4-year-old boy. She was slashed to death Sept. 5,
1957.
Sonnenberg fled to Texas, where he married, and then to Miami where he
became a travel consultant and where he was found by the FBI. He was
extradited here for trial.		05/06/2009 7:27:26
Re: [POYTHRESS] Sept 7, 1957 murder in L.A. of Carol Poythress (married 1.Smith & 2.Sonnenberg)ELIZABETH MORRISWhat wonderful information. Great researching. Libbee Morris

> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:27:26 -0600
> From: barbpoy.neal@gmail.com
> To: POYTHRESS@rootsweb.com
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Sept 7, 1957 murder in L.A. of Carol Poythress (married 1.Smith & 2.Sonnenberg)
>
> Some of you long-time subscribers to our Poythress email list (
> POYTHRESS@rootsweb.com) may recall mention of this murder. I looked for a
> while this morning for my photocopies of the news articles about it, in
> order to help someone researching this lovely young woman (born Mae Carol
> Poythress, of the James Speed Poythress line; she was the daughter of
> Robert L. Poythress, Jr. and Addie Kate Husband). I found the articles and
> now want to post them here so the info will be archived in our Message
> Archives, and more easily retrieved.
>
> Not only Carol and her parents are long dead, but from the SSDI (Social
> Security Death Index, available online, free, at
> http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com) we know that the man who killed her died
> in January of 1995. [He served 7 years for the murder.]
>
> I know from when I lived in the L.A. area, that the below Los Angeles
> address where she died, is near huge and lovely Echo Park, not far from I-5,
> the Golden State Freeway or from US-101, the Hollywood Freeway. It, and the
> other addresses mentioned in these articles, would've been nice
> neighborhoods in 1957, and are probably all still nice neighborhoods today
> though I have not seen them in years.
>
> I'm transcribing these 4 articles come from photocopies Los Angeles Times
> articles, as found on microfilm. Please note that the victim's married
> surname is variously given both as Smith and as Sonnenberg in these
> articles, all of which are about the same young woman, born Mae Carol
> Poythress.
> Bpn
> = = =
>
> Fri, Sept. 6, 1957
> Woman Slain, Boys Almost Seize Suspect
> A 26-year-old divorcee fell dead on the steps of her Sliver Lake
> apartment home last night, fleeing from a man who stabbed her during a
> quarrel, police reported.
> The suspect then eluded capture by a group of teenage boys who attacked
> him with belts, shoes and other assorted weapons and then chased him in a
> convoy of cars.
> Police identified the dead woman as Mrs. Carol Smith, 1553 1/2 Ewing St.
> The suspect was said to be a man who had been her companion the last few
> weeks.
> Screams for Help:
> Mrs. Smith, police said, ran down the stairs of her apartment, screaming
> for help, and collapsed in the arms of a neighbor [whose name and address I
> am not including, since he may still be living].
> Police said the suspect, carrying a sharp instrument, leaped over her
> body and flew toward his car, parked in front of the Ewing St. address.
> [The neighbor in whose arms she collapsed], police reported, shouted to a
> group of teenage boys nearby, asking them to stop the man.
> Followed in Autos:
> Police said the youths caught the fleeing man as he entered his car,
> broke open one of the windows and inflicted at least one gash across his
> face before he sped away. They followed him in several cars, police were
> told, but lost the suspect about a mile away.
> Mrs. Smith's son [first name given in the article], 4, was asleep in the
> apartment when the stabbing took place, police said. The woman was stabbed
> once in the neck and once in the chest.
> The boy was taken to Juvenile Hall for his protection, police said.
> His father, [whose name and address I am not including, since he may
> still be living] and his mother were divorced in December 1955.
>
> = = =
> Sat, Sept. 7, 1957
> Hunt Widens for Mate of Fatally Stabbed Wife
> Husband Flees in Car After Victim Falls Dying on Steps; Vainly Chased by
> Youths
> Police yesterday issued an all-points bulletin for John Sonnenberg, 35
> [sic; should be age 28 going by SSDI showing his birth was 30 June 1929],
> as a suspect in the Thursday night stabbing murder of his wife Mrs. Carol
> Smith Sonnenberg, 26, at her Silver Lake home.
> Sonnenberg, according to Det. Sgt. Harry Hansen, fled in his automobile
> after Mrs. Smith collapsed and died on the steps at 1553 1/2 Ewing St. A
> group of teenage youths tried to stop Sonnenberg, Sgt. Hansen said, and then
> chased him for a mile.
> Seen by Neighbor:
> A neighbor [same one as mentioned in 6 Sep article] told officers he
> heard sounds of a quarrel from Mrs. Sonnenberg's apartment. He stepped
> outside when she screamed for help, he told police, and caught her as she
> fell on the steps. [He] called to the youths outside to stop Sonnenberg as
> the latter vaulted Mrs. Sonnenberg's body and ran toward his car.
> The couple were married in Mexico last December. Mrs. Sonnenberg's son
> by an earlier marriage, [first name in article], 4, was asleep in the
> apartment when his mother was stabbed.
> Last month, police said, Mrs. Sonnenberg told police her husband had been
> threatening her, but the City Attorney's office refused to issue a
> complaint.
> Sgt. Hansen said Sonnenberg was believed to be driving an automobile
> borrowed from a friend. Detectives said Sonnenberg apparently drove to his
> home at 740 S Cochran Ave. to change his bloody clothing, then abandoned his
> own car near 339 S Sycamore Ave.
>
> = = =
>
> Tues, Sept. 10, 1957 Deaths, Funeral Announcements column:
> Smith, Carol
> Services Wednesday, 3 p.m., at the Chapel of the Psalms, Hollywood
> Cemetery. Utter-McKinley's Wilshire, directors.
>
> = = =
>
> Tues, Aug. 9, 1960
> Knife Slayer of Woman Sentenced
> John E. Sonnenberg, 30 [sic; actually then 31] recently convicted of
> second-degree murder in the knife slaying of a young mother nearly three
> years ago, yesterday was sentenced to prison for five years to life.
> The victim of the slaying was Mrs. Carol Smith, 26 [sic; actually 25 when
> she died], mother of a 4-year-old boy. She was slashed to death Sept. 5,
> 1957.
> Sonnenberg fled to Texas, where he married, and then to Miami where he
> became a travel consultant and where he was found by the FBI. He was
> extradited here for trial.
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message		05/07/2009 4:46:10
Re: [POYTHRESS] Sept 7, 1957 murder in L.A. of Carol Poythress (married 1.Smith & 2.Sonnenberg)Barbara NealOne addition & one correction to my original message on May 6:

- correction: John Sonnenberg served 8 years (not 7, as I mistakenly said)
for 2nd degree murder (Note: 2nd degree indicates the murder was not by
premeditated design)

- addition: I neglected to mention Carol's father's & grandfather's middle
name: Robert Lee Poythress (both Sr & Jr)

Bpn		05/08/2009 6:06:23
[POYTHRESS] TravelingBarbara NealI'll be leaving this week on a long road-trip with my husband, so will have
little computer connectivity time for the next 3 to 4 weeks. Will catch up
later.

Cheers,
Bpn		05/18/2009 3:26:29
Re: [POYTHRESS] TravelingHave fun & enjoy Barb. We'll talk to you when you return.
Judy
-------------- Original message from Barbara Neal : --------------


> I'll be leaving this week on a long road-trip with my husband, so will have
> little computer connectivity time for the next 3 to 4 weeks. Will catch up
> later.
>
> Cheers,
> Bpn
>
> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in
> the subject and the body of the message		05/19/2009 5:39:10
[POYTHRESS] Ann Jones PoythressRandy JonesMy database has an Ann Jones, wife of Peter Poythress (d.p.1776) of "Flowerdew Hundred", and daughter of Henry Jones, Sr. (c.1685-1739) and Catherine (_____).  Henry was from Northampton Co., NC and the son of a William Jones (c.1650-1714) of Surry Co., VA.  Many other online databases show this as well, although a few show her as the daughter of a David Jones (b.c.1594) and Hannah (_____).

Unfortunately, Henry Jones's will below of 1733 which lists his children mentions no Ann.  Perhaps she deceased before that date and Ann was already "provided for" before the family moved to NC.  The will:

[Edgecombe Co., NC Will Abstract] No.(217)         Aug Ct 1757, Henry Jones, Sr.,14 Nov 1733 [date of will], O Secy. Of State.  “...being very sick and weake...”  Son William Jones– Negro Ben, but reserving his use to my wife during her widowhood.  Son John Jones– Negro Beck, but reserving her use to my wife during her widowhood.  Daughter Elizabeth Jones– bed, colt, rug.  Son Philip Jones– all my oversea dealings.  Son James Jones– my plantation where I now live with 240 acres, reserving its use for my wife during her widowhood.  Son John Jones – plantation on the north side of the Roanoke River with 230 acres adj. Bery Mullons and John Buxton, but reserving the timber rights for my sons Henry, Francis and James.  Cousin William Denson (Dew?) – cow and calf.  Granddaughter Mary Roberson– cow and calf.  Remaining personal estate to my wife Caterinefor hr lifetime or widowhood.  I appoint my four eldest sons trustees
of my estate.  Ex. My son Henry Jones.  Wit. Needham Bryan, Gidonge (S) Smith, John (X) Eliss.  (Record indicates this will was proved at Enfield. ).  [34:45].
 
On the other hand the property transaction below might be typical of a transfer between a father and a son-in-law:
 
On 15 February 1725, Henry and Katherine Jones of Surry Co., VA sold to Peter Poythress of Prince George County, - 250 acres on the south side of the Nottoway River bounded by Flatt Swamp. Witness William Poythress, William Freeman and William Dennis.  Henry Jones and Katherine Jones.
 
Does anyone have any other indication that Ann, wife of Peter Poythress, was a Jones, and was the daughter of Henry Jones?
 
  -- Randy Jones		05/20/2009 2:38:58
Re: [POYTHRESS] Ann Jones PoythressJohn M. PoythressRandy, on the hope that some of this might just have wound up in PG records
I
searched Weisiger. No luck.

I don't think I got my reference to that 1725 Surry deed from you but in any
case we have the same abstract of it. (Surry DB 7, p. 622). My guess is the
microfilm is somewhere, the LVA being the likeliest spot.

The long shot I have in mind is that the transaction price (not shown in the
abstract)
might show on the original deed as "one grain of Indian corn" or " one
shilling current money of Virginia"....one of those that is a dead
ringer for a "constructive" transaction between Henry Jones and son-in-law
Peter Poythress.

And on the other side, if the transaction price is close to "fair value"
that still doesn't necessarily rule out the relationship as there are
candidate reasons for having a
"family" transaction at market value.

So, I'd ask which one of us is going to the LVA any time soon?

Maynard


On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Randy Jones wrote:

> My database has an Ann Jones, wife of Peter Poythress (d.p.1776) of
> "Flowerdew Hundred", and daughter of Henry Jones, Sr. (c.1685-1739) and
> Catherine (_____). Henry was from Northampton Co., NC and the son of a
> William Jones (c.1650-1714) of Surry Co., VA. Many other online databases
> show this as well, although a few show her as the daughter of a David Jones
> (b.c.1594) and Hannah (_____).
>
> Unfortunately, Henry Jones's will below of 1733 which lists his children
> mentions no Ann. Perhaps she deceased before that date and Ann was already
> "provided for" before the family moved to NC. The will:
>
> [Edgecombe Co., NC Will Abstract] No.(217) Aug Ct 1757, Henry
> Jones, Sr.,14 Nov 1733 [date of will], O Secy. Of State. “...being very
> sick and weake...” Son William Jones– Negro Ben, but reserving his use to
> my wife during her widowhood. Son John Jones– Negro Beck, but reserving her
> use to my wife during her widowhood. Daughter Elizabeth Jones– bed, colt,
> rug. Son Philip Jones– all my oversea dealings. Son James Jones– my
> plantation where I now live with 240 acres, reserving its use for my wife
> during her widowhood. Son John Jones – plantation on the north side of the
> Roanoke River with 230 acres adj. Bery Mullons and John Buxton, but
> reserving the timber rights for my sons Henry, Francis and James. Cousin
> William Denson (Dew?) – cow and calf. Granddaughter Mary Roberson– cow and
> calf. Remaining personal estate to my wife Caterinefor hr lifetime or
> widowhood. I appoint my four eldest sons trustees
> of my estate. Ex. My son Henry Jones. Wit. Needham Bryan, Gidonge (S)
> Smith, John (X) Eliss. (Record indicates this will was proved at Enfield.
> ). [34:45].
>
> On the other hand the property transaction below might be typical of a
> transfer between a father and a son-in-law:
>
> On 15 February 1725, Henry and Katherine Jones of Surry Co., VA sold to
> Peter Poythress of Prince George County, - 250 acres on the south side of
> the Nottoway River bounded by Flatt Swamp. Witness William Poythress,
> William Freeman and William Dennis. Henry Jones and Katherine Jones.
>
> Does anyone have any other indication that Ann, wife of Peter Poythress,
> was a Jones, and was the daughter of Henry Jones?
>
> -- Randy Jones
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
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> quotes in the subject and the body of the message		05/21/2009 5:54:50
Re: [POYTHRESS] Ann Jones PoythressRandy JonesI am not having much luck tracking this down further.

In my notes I have also that she instead could be a Bolling.  Batte indicates that she was a widow, but his writing is illegible further, although my notes indicate she may have been married previously to a Baker.  Batte gives no reference.

I also show as a source Diana Diamond, and usually when I have this, it's from her online rendition of Batte's cardfiles.  Perhaps she can help us with this.

  -- Randy Jones




________________________________
From: John M. Poythress
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:54:50 AM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Ann Jones Poythress

Randy, on the hope that some of this might just have wound up in PG records
I
searched Weisiger.  No luck.

I don't think I got my reference to that 1725 Surry deed from you but in any
case we have the same abstract of it. (Surry DB 7, p. 622).  My guess is the
microfilm is somewhere, the LVA being the likeliest spot.

The long shot I have in mind is that the transaction price (not shown in the
abstract)
might show on the original deed as "one grain of Indian corn" or " one
shilling current money of Virginia"....one of those that is a dead
ringer for a "constructive" transaction between Henry Jones and son-in-law
Peter Poythress.

And on the other side, if the transaction price is close to "fair value"
that still doesn't necessarily rule out the relationship as there are
candidate reasons for having a
"family" transaction at market value.

So, I'd ask which one of us is going to the LVA any time soon?

Maynard


On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Randy Jones wrote:

> My database has an Ann Jones, wife of Peter Poythress (d.p.1776) of
> "Flowerdew Hundred", and daughter of Henry Jones, Sr. (c.1685-1739) and
> Catherine (_____).  Henry was from Northampton Co., NC and the son of a
> William Jones (c.1650-1714) of Surry Co., VA.  Many other online databases
> show this as well, although a few show her as the daughter of a David Jones
> (b.c.1594) and Hannah (_____).
>
> Unfortunately, Henry Jones's will below of 1733 which lists his children
> mentions no Ann.  Perhaps she deceased before that date and Ann was already
> "provided for" before the family moved to NC.  The will:
>
> [Edgecombe Co., NC Will Abstract] No.(217)        Aug Ct 1757, Henry
> Jones, Sr.,14 Nov 1733 [date of will], O Secy. Of State.  “...being very
> sick and weake...”  Son William Jones– Negro Ben, but reserving his use to
> my wife during her widowhood.  Son John Jones– Negro Beck, but reserving her
> use to my wife during her widowhood.  Daughter Elizabeth Jones– bed, colt,
> rug.  Son Philip Jones– all my oversea dealings.  Son James Jones– my
> plantation where I now live with 240 acres, reserving its use for my wife
> during her widowhood.  Son John Jones – plantation on the north side of the
> Roanoke River with 230 acres adj. Bery Mullons and John Buxton, but
> reserving the timber rights for my sons Henry, Francis and James.  Cousin
> William Denson (Dew?) – cow and calf.  Granddaughter Mary Roberson– cow and
> calf.  Remaining personal estate to my wife Caterinefor hr lifetime or
> widowhood.  I appoint my four eldest sons trustees
>  of my estate.  Ex. My son Henry Jones.  Wit. Needham Bryan, Gidonge (S)
> Smith, John (X) Eliss.  (Record indicates this will was proved at Enfield.
> ).  [34:45].
>
> On the other hand the property transaction below might be typical of a
> transfer between a father and a son-in-law:
>
> On 15 February 1725, Henry and Katherine Jones of Surry Co., VA sold to
> Peter Poythress of Prince George County, - 250 acres on the south side of
> the Nottoway River bounded by Flatt Swamp. Witness William Poythress,
> William Freeman and William Dennis.  Henry Jones and Katherine Jones.
>
> Does anyone have any other indication that Ann, wife of Peter Poythress,
> was a Jones, and was the daughter of Henry Jones?
>
>  -- Randy Jones
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Welcome to AJC!Maynard,
My Grandson met him while he was at Ga. & he says we are related. What were the parents name ? He told me & I forgot to write it down.
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Looks like we have a celebrity. The kid was tearing up the patch last year too. Augusta, GA is in the county just north of Burke and Screven so he's gotta be our'n.

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[POYTHRESS] FW: GeneaNet Email AlertJohn M. PoythressAnybody subscribe to this pay site that sends out these teasers?



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Re: [POYTHRESS] Welcome to AJC!John M. PoythressRichard & Linda and here is a copy of the letter I sent them. Never got an
answer. I think we genealogy nuts get awakened from time to time to the
effect that there are folks who just don't give a hoot about this stuff.
mp

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 3:51 PM, wrote:

> Maynard,
> My Grandson met him while he was at Ga. & he says we are related. What
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> Judy
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[POYTHRESS] Flowerdew Papers GuideJohn M. PoythressLVA has posted a comprehensive guide to its huge collection of Flowerdew Hundred papers.



The site is:



http://ead.lib.virginia.edu/vivaead/published/lva/vi01138.document



Maynard		05/25/2009 11:47:58
Re: [POYTHRESS] Flowerdew Papers GuideThanks Maynard,
I loved my trip to Flowerdew & was glad to take the photos that are now on our Poythress Site.
Judy
-------------- Original message from "John M. Poythress" : --------------

LVA has posted a comprehensive guide to its huge collection of Flowerdew Hundred
> papers.
>
>
>
> The site is:
>
>
>
> http://ead.lib.virginia.edu/vivaead/published/lva/vi01138.document
>
>
>
> Maynard
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> the subject and the body of the message		05/26/2009 9:11:53
[POYTHRESS] SourcesJohn M. PoythressThe one below is a tough slog but an interesting list of "sources." Yes, most of them

are alphabetical which makes it a tad easier. I painstakingly went through it one by one

for Poythresses and found none of the usual suspects.



"Old Surry" was interesting enough to read all the way through but it was entirely

anecdotal and a bit herky jerky as author Mr. Bohannon couldn't decide which war

he wanted to talk about. Of special interest were the pages about land Thomas Rolfe

inherited from his father-in-law.



Maynard





Message: 1

Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:02:32 -0500

From: Doris Christian

To: RIVER-JAMES@rootsweb.com



DMK Heritage ( my commercial site) has put up a "Free Small Books"

section and it includes:



Free Books In Gallery:

NC. Marriage Bonds of Tryon County NC from 1769-1870.

Friends Records of Births and Deaths, Cane Creek, NC

St. Bartholomew?s Parish, NC

Bertie Co. Wills (1795-1840 abt.) NCHGR

Bertie Co. Marriages 1762-1834 (1809-1819 missing)

NCHGR



S. C. Annals and Parish Register of St. Thomas - St. Denis SC

St. James Church, Goose Creek, SC 1706-1909

Marriage Notices in SC & American General Gazette

Chronicles of St. Mark?s Parish Santee Circuit

Williamsburg

Township, SC.

French & Swiss Protestants in Charleston the Santee,

SC

Naturalization Records 1695-96

Vestry of St. Matthew?s Parish, SC 1769-1838

History of Grandal Shoals (Cherokee & Union Co., SC

History of Fairfield Co., SC by Ederington

The Parish of St. Michael, SC



Tenn. History of Overton County, Tenn. by Goodpasture.

Reminiscences of Early Settlements & Settlers of

McNairy Co.,

Tenn. by Gen. Marcus Wright

Va. Lunenburg County, Va. Wills 1746-1825

Frederick Parish, Va. 1744-1780, Churches, Chapels, etc.

Revolutionary Soldiers and Sailors for Northampton Co.,

VA

Virginia Wills Before 1799 by Wm. M. Clemens

Historical Sketches of ?Old Bruton Church?

Williamsburg, Va.

Williamsburg Wills Abt. 1750-1825

Old Surry, Va.

History of Hampton & Eliz. City Co. Va. Tyler 1922



Penn. Penn. Marriages Prior to 1799

W. Va History of Marion Co., W. VA. by Geo. A. Dunnington

S-I Scotch-Irish in America by Dinsmore







They are pdf files. They are not indexed or searchable like the CDs we

sell but most are in alphabetical order.



http://www.dmkheritage.com/store/



go to "Free Small Books" in red in the middle of the page, click on

the word "here" ......then follow the directions.



And, I would love to know if you have a "find".



Doris		06/02/2009 2:26:20
Re: [POYTHRESS] "Our boy" Richard PoythressMaynard.
They have never answered my letter.
Guess they are not interested.
Judy
-------------- Original message from "John M. Poythress" : --------------

In major league draft yesterday, he went in the 2nd round to the Seattle
> Mariners:
>
>
> Poythress, Richard, U Georgia 1B R/R 6'04" 235 1987-08-11 JR Comments: There's
> no question some teams will be intrigued by the monster numbers Poythress is putting up in
> the competitive SEC. Power is his calling card, but with a lack of great bat speed,
> there is some question how well it will play at the next level. There's no other part of
> his game
> that stands out, so someone will have to believe in his power to take him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Wish we could get a fix on his family, they almost have to be ours given that
> Augusta
> location.
>
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> Maynard
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[POYTHRESS] "Our boy" Richard PoythressJohn M. PoythressIn major league draft yesterday, he went in the 2nd round to the Seattle Mariners:



Poythress, Richard, U Georgia 1B R/R 6'04" 235 1987-08-11 JR Comments: There's no question
some teams will be intrigued by the monster numbers Poythress is putting up in the
competitive SEC. Power is his calling card, but with a lack of great bat speed, there is
some question how well it will play at the next level. There's no other part of his game
that stands out, so someone will have to believe in his power to take him.









Wish we could get a fix on his family, they almost have to be ours given that Augusta
location.



Maynard		06/10/2009 5:04:15
[POYTHRESS] Portuguese SettlementI seen the posting about William Garner. Some of the Poythress land is in Greenville Co Va Part of it was Brunswick Co at one time. Next to the Garners, Jarrell, Turners and Collier's and the Jordans.. And some of the Poythress?lived close to the Roanoke River close to the Scott's but they all are from the same family..But in the old records it was called Scott and Portiess Branch. Its on some of William Garner's land deed's
Poythress' owned a Saw Mill it was close to Emporia.. The Poythress who live in Wilson NC who own the Poythress Amusement ?Park are related to us as well.
Some of the folks have been around each other for generations names as the Batts and Peebles. Ligon, Bennetts, Avents..along with Turner, Bass, Newsom,

Dorie Turner- Nash
Northamton Co NC



06/18/2009 10:15:24
[POYTHRESS] Messages from a Y-DNA fellow in FranceBarbara NealFor the benefit of any of our Poythress Y-DNA study participants who may
have any interest in paying for an additional "Deep Clade" test ($89), I am
pasting the below two messages sent to me as the Poythress Group
Administrator of our Poythress Y-DNA Study. I do not personally know of any
participants who have done this additional test, or who wish to.
= = =
Date: 7/5/2009
From: Didier Vernade
Dear Sir,
There are several extended Poythress haplotypes in ysearch and this message
is to inquire if any of these has gone through a SNP test (deep R1b).

I am following the R1b1b2d (previously R1b1c6) haplogroup and I wonder if
Poythress are R1b1c6.

regards, Didier Vernade ysearch ID : 9UTFU

= = =
Date: 7/9/2009
From: Didier Vernade
Subj: SNP test - SRY2627
Dear Sir,

Poythress haplotypes have DYS393=14 and DYS392=12 , the combination of these
2 relatively rare values in R1b was found in a recently tested SRY2627+
haplotype.

This SNP is defining R1b1b2a1b3 haplogroup (previously known as R1b1c6).
This message is to convince one of the large Poythress group to perform the
test called "Deep R-Clade" test by FTDNA. This tests costs $89.00.

See the project page at : http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b1c6.
...
Regards,
Didier Vernade		07/09/2009 12:11:56
[POYTHRESS] Fw: [JONES] Jones - SC to GA to AL 1797 - 1885Randy JonesAny help?  I am not aware of a martha Poythress marrying a Thomas Jones.

  -- Randy Jones



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Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 5:34:56 PM
Subject: [JONES] Jones - SC to GA to AL 1797 - 1885

I am still looking for the parents of Micajah Jones. There are some family trees on ancestry.com
that say they are Thomas Jones and Martha Poythress or Poythess. I have
been unsuccessful in trying to find anything on these two and have had
no response to my attempts to communicate with the posters of these
trees. I have posted this brick wall several times.
Here's what I have on Micajah Jones:
 
b: 1797 South Carolina (source: census records give SC at place of birth)
Marriage: 18 Jul 1820 Elbert Co., GA to Genoa Tate (1802 - 1875) (have copy of entry from marriage book)
 
I have the following records:
Census:
1820 Elbert County, GA
1 male 16-26 and 1 female 16 - 26
 
1830 Newton Co, GA (Micajor Jones)
1 male 30 - 40, 1 female 20 - 30, 1 female under 5, 3 males uner 5, 1 male 5-10
 
1840 Newton Co, GA
1 male 40 -50, 1 female 30 - 40, 1 male 15-20, 1 male 10-15, 2 male 5-10, 2 male under 5, 1 female 15-20, 1 female under 5
 
1850 Newton Co., GA
Micajah 53
Genoa 48
Robert 23
Thomas 21
Lewis 20
Franklin 16 (this is actually Noah Franklin, usually referred to as NF)
Jefferson 13 (Micajah Jefferson)
Martha 11
Columbus 8
Mary 6
Son William Green Jones 28, is Married to Emily Chafin and lives nearby
 
1860 Newton Co., GA Note: in 1860, Micajah, 63, and
Genoa, 59, are living in Newton Co, Ga. With them are son, Columbus,
19, daughter Mary 16, Genoa's mother, Sarah Tate, and a 65 year old
domestic named Elizabeth Jones, 65, , who may or may not be related to
Micajah. She was born in SC, as was Micajah.
 
1870 Johnson, Henry Co., GA
Micajah 73
Genoa 69
Elizabeth Jones 75
 
1880 McDonough, Henry Co, GA
By 1880, Genoa has died (All trees she is listed on
say 1875, but I have not found a grave or actual record of her death)
and Elizabeth is no longer around. Micajah, 89, is living with his
daughter Mary Coleman (married to William Coleman) and their two
daughters Ola and Olena.
 
Here is what I know of Micajah and Genoa's children:
Martha P Jones b 1839 married Willis B. Roberts
William Green Jones b 1822 m Emily Frances Chafin
(he was a public figure and was murdered on his plantation in 1888. He
was the great grandfather of the famous pro golfer, Bobby Jones (1902 -
1971)
Robert Tyre Jones b 1827 married Emily
Thomas R. Jones b 1829 m Angeline Norris
Lewis Jones b 1830 m Martha
Jefferson Micajah Jones b 1836 married Mary E. Davis. He served in the civil war and they moved to Texas
Columbus Jones b 1842 I think he was killed in the battle Chickamauga in the Civil War
Mary Frances Jones b 1844 m William Neely Coleman
Noah Franklin Jones b 1834 (my great grandfather) married Sarah Jane Heath
 
I have some court documents related to Micajah's
estate - he died intestate. T.R. Jones was appointed administrator of
the estate on 7 Sep 1885 and I also see W.G. Jones on some of the
papers. I never did find a date for Micajah's actual death. These were
sent to me by a "cousin" I connected with when researching the line.
 
 I also found some guardianship papers filed in
Alabama by Sarah Jane Heath Jones on behalf of several of her minor
children who were receiving an inheritance from Micajah's estate (Noah
Franklin Jones died in 1881 and they were getting his share).
 
I have a Micajah Jones winning land in the 1827
Land Lottery in Newton County. He is not the Micajah Jones in Wilkes
County, nor is he the Micajah Jones who had something to do with a toll
road in Georgia.
 
In 1860, Micajah Jones purchased 140 acres of land
in Newton County from William Green Jones - I am not sure if this was
the father Micajah Jones, or his son, Jefferson Micajah Jones. William
Green Jones was definitely his son.
 
I have tried to research each one of the children
in hopes someone else was also researching them. Several people are
researching Martha P. Jones Roberts, but no one who responded to me has
any information on Micajah's parents, or they aren't sharing
information.

I have been bashing my head against this particular
brick wall for at least 8 years. I thought I had a breakthrough when
two trees showed up giving parents names - but I can't find those names
anywhere and can get no response from the posters!

I think there may have been two more children - just a hunch - they seemed to have kids every 2 years and have a gap in the birthdates of the ones I have accounted for.  


Kathy

Genealogists never die, they just lose their census.

visit my family history website:  http://dutraporter.tribalpages.com/


     

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[POYTHRESS] Obit of James Speed Poythress' g-granddaughter Ruth Gale nee McCrawBarbara NealWith thanks to Judy, I read the news of Gale's passing in The Meridian Star
online (shown with her maiden name so she did not currently use a married
name). Ruth Gale McCraw was a grandchild of Grace Beulah nee Poythress, who
was the 2nd daughter (2nd of 9 children) of James Speed Poythress & Carrie
Price Shephard.

Ruth Gale McCraw was listed as age 61, of Meridian, Mississippi, and died on
Sunday 16 Aug 2009. Survivors listed included her 3 children, 8
grandchildren, and a sister.		08/24/2009 9:05:16
[POYTHRESS] Obit of James David Poythress' g-granddaughter Ruth Gale nee McCrawBarbara NealThanks, Judy, for correcting my "senior moment." I'm correcting it in the
below copy of the original message, too.
Barbara

>
> CORRECTED VERSION HERE:
>
With thanks to Judy, I read the news of Gale's passing in The Meridian Star
> online (shown with her maiden name so she did not currently use a married
> name). Ruth Gale McCraw was a grandchild of Grace Beulah nee Poythress,
> who
> was the 2nd daughter (2nd of 9 children) of James David Poythress & Carrie
> Price Shephard.
>
> Ruth Gale McCraw was listed as age 61, of Meridian, Mississippi, and died
> on
> Sunday 16 Aug 2009. Survivors listed included her 3 children, 8
> grandchildren, and a sister.
>		08/25/2009 6:55:04
Re: [POYTHRESS] Obit of James Speed Poythress' g-granddaughter Ruth Gale nee McCrawJudy scruggsBarb,
 Correction on your message. Grace was the daughter of James David Poythress & granddaughter of James Speed. You have the Carrie Price right.
 Judy
 
Heading to the Mtn. be back in a few days.



--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Barbara Neal wrote:


From: Barbara Neal
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Obit of James Speed Poythress' g-granddaughter Ruth Gale nee McCraw
To: "Poythress"
Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 5:05 AM


With thanks to Judy, I read the news of Gale's passing in The Meridian Star
online (shown with her maiden name so she did not currently use a married
name).  Ruth Gale McCraw was a grandchild of Grace Beulah nee Poythress, who
was the 2nd daughter (2nd of 9 children) of James Speed Poythress & Carrie
Price Shephard.

Ruth Gale McCraw was listed as age 61, of Meridian, Mississippi, and died on
Sunday 16 Aug 2009.  Survivors listed included her 3 children, 8
grandchildren, and a sister.

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[POYTHRESS] Allen Portis - wife Anna Reed? - NC, late 1700s...SandyHi all,

Not sure if this person has been identified, but I just ran across a
cemetery survey for a "Portis" cemetery in Surry Co, NC. (And I know
there were Poythresses in this neck of the woods.)

The only identifiable marker listed is for an "Anna Reed," wife of
Allen Portis, (b. 9-1-1792, d. 6-3-1848).

See the survey here:
http://cemeterycensus.com/nc/surr/cem350.htm

-Sandy		09/02/2009 7:17:54
[POYTHRESS] Thanks! Re: Bud, still online?Barbara NealHi Bud, Great to hear from you again, good buddy, and glad to know you
still keep the internet access.

What an interesting story about your Dad knowing about your Mom's
death, drifting in & out of his coma! Thanks for clearing up my
ponderings, re your parents' death dates & their earlier re-marriages
to others. I'm copying your message at the bottom here for our
Poythress List subscribers, in case others had any confusion on it,
too.

Bud, I'm copying below for you a message that hit the Poythress List a
little over a year ago, from Nancy Poythress who had seen your older
brother's marker & who was thanking you for your own military service.
Maybe you responded to Nancy off-List, but just in case you missed
her message, I'm copying it below for you.
Cheers, Barbara (BPN)
=
From: "Nancy Poythress"
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Joseph Eugene Poythress
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:02:11 -0400
This message will hopefully be read by Bud Poythress. Maynard Poythress
emailed that I might contact him through this address. I am Nancy
Poythress, wife of Earl Poythress. My friend and I were walking through the
Marietta National Cemetery over the 4th of July and we came upon the
gravesite of Joseph Eugene Poythress, Jr. It just seemed so right that I
find out about this hero so I went to the books and found this information
on him. I felt someone should honor his memory. Joseph Eugene Poythress,
Jr., born 2 Oct 1918, death 13 Nov 1942, Interment date 27 Feb 1948, Buried
at Section G Site 8306-B, Marietta National Cemetery, c/o Georgia National
Cemetery, 2025 Mount Carmel Church Lane, Canton, GA 30114, Gunner's
mate 2nd CL US Navy World War II. I went to the US Navy deaths and
found his write
up that he was killed in action. This cemetery does a wonderful
presentation by placing an American flag on each site every year. Very
powerful to see. I am really just sending this email to say that I felt
honored to have found Joseph Eugene's gravesite and now am so happy to
discover from Maynard that he has family that remembers him and his selfless
act for his Country. I understand that you also were in the Navy and may I
add my appreciation for your service for the USA.
Warmest regards, Nancy Poythress
=
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:07 PM, wrote:
Hi Barb,  Of course I am still "online", above ground and kicking!!
And - You're right both times.  My parents were divorced, both had
remarried and both had lost their second spouses.

Nevertheless, my Dad died exactly 5 weeks to the day following my Moms'
death.  She in January 1981 in NC and he in February 1981 in Savannah.

How about this. When my Mom passed away my Dad was in the hospital in
Springfield, GA, (and we then were living in Bethesda, MD) I called my 1st
cousin, Liela P. Taylor at work in Savannah, before we left to drive to
Savannah, to inform her and she asked should she tell my Dad?  I suggested
she check with his doctor as she had to pass right by his office on her way
home from her job, and the doctor told her not to mention it as it wouldn't
register with him.  She always visited my Dad each day as she left work for
home as he was in the hospital and passing in and out of a coma.  Not a
single soul at his hospital knew my Mom had died other than Liela, but as
she walked into his room he came too and before she could say a word he said
"Pastor Pool (his pastor) had gone to North Carolina!"  So Lelia asked why
he had gone to NC and he said "to preach Mattie's funeral!" and passed back
into a coma!!!   Strange things do happen, I guess.

My Dad's obit should had said "entombed" rather than buried.

Hope this finds all well with you folks!
Give all my best.
Cheers,   Bud		11/16/2009 10:07:39
[POYTHRESS] Brunswick Co, VA Poythress - who is thisBarbara NealCan anyone tell me please who the below person is? I stumbled across this
person in the Social Security Death Index when looking up someone different,
and just fishing around a bit. I presume this is a female, since I've known
a Mrs. Poythress with this same first name (and a very different date of
birth), but it is an unusual-enough first name that I'm not sure whether it
is truly only a traditionally female name. Of course the "Poythress" part
of the name could be a married surname or not.

Elvin N Poythress born 10 Aug 1913, died 28 Apr 1990 (so age 76); zip of
last residence 23920 (Brodnax, Brunswick Co, VA)

Any help would be appreciated in figuring out what family this person
belongs with.
Barbara		11/23/2009 8:12:01
Re: [POYTHRESS] FortressJerry PoythressWaiting for you. I am willing to take a DNA test if you need it. Also my older brother is interested in this. He does not have a computer and is 74 years old. His name is Dorman Poythress. Again Thanks for the reply. I work alot but try to get my emails as often as I can. Hope to hear from you soon. Jerry Poythress




________________________________
From: "denver145@aol.com"
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 11:02:31 PM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Fortress


Jerry, good to hear from you. I would love to hear more information on you Poythress family. Names at least. For those whom are deceased their birth and death information if you have it. One of our Researchers Barbara Poythress Neal is always looking for new male Poythress to do a DNA test to see who they match. My father took the test and had perfect matches with several of the researchers on this website. Hopefully she will see this in the next day or so and can give you better information regarding the DNA testing.

All of us who are researching are trying to get to the original Poythress who is Francis Poythress from England and came to Virginia in the 1630's.

Anyway we would really like to know who your ancestors.

Look forward to hearing more.

Elaine Poythress Criddle






I am a Poythress and I have been told by some teachers years ago that they were
old to pronounce it fortress but just replace the F with a P. I have 4 brothers
nd 2 sisters living. I am the youngest , and i am 53 years old. My father was a
oythress which had 7 children which had 17 grandchildren which had 28 great
randchildren which some have 9 GreatX2 children. Which is the result of 61
eople just from my mother and father. My father was from around Roanake Rapids
C. And my mother was from Salisbury NC. Most of us are in eastern NC. I Live in
rifton NC. Just to let you Know A little bit of info about our part of the
amily. My Name is Jerry Poythress at 252-244-2498



i Dean. Due to the miss spelling over the centuries of Poythress, I included
he Fortress entry in the 1810 Norfolk County census work because it was close
o the spelling of Poythress. I am going to post your question to our Poythress
ebsite to see if anyone has every confirmed the Fortress name listed as
ctually being a Poythress. Good luck in your research. I hope you find your
issing link soon.
Take Care,
Elaine


I stumbled on your Poythress In The Census- VA, Part 1 and was surprised to find
ortress (1810 Norfolk County) listed. I have been trying to get back further
han 1810 in my wife's Fortress for nearly 40 years. I thought there was a name
hange. Do you think I am barking up the wrong tree by pursuing Poythress?
Dean

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Re: [POYTHRESS] FortressJerry, good to hear from you. I would love to hear more information on you Poythress family. Names at least. For those whom are deceased their birth and death information if you have it. One of our Researchers Barbara Poythress Neal is always looking for new male Poythress to do a DNA test to see who they match. My father took the test and had perfect matches with several of the researchers on this website. Hopefully she will see this in the next day or so and can give you better information regarding the DNA testing.

All of us who are researching are trying to get to the original Poythress who is Francis Poythress from England and came to Virginia in the 1630's.

Anyway we would really like to know who your ancestors.

Look forward to hearing more.

Elaine Poythress Criddle






I am a Poythress and I have been told by some teachers years ago that they were
old to pronounce it fortress but just replace the F with a P. I have 4 brothers
nd 2 sisters living. I am the youngest , and i am 53 years old. My father was a
oythress which had 7 children which had 17 grandchildren which had 28 great
randchildren which some have 9 GreatX2 children. Which is the result of 61
eople just from my mother and father. My father was from around Roanake Rapids
C. And my mother was from Salisbury NC. Most of us are in eastern NC. I Live in
rifton NC. Just to let you Know A little bit of info about our part of the
amily. My Name is Jerry Poythress at 252-244-2498



i Dean. Due to the miss spelling over the centuries of Poythress, I included
he Fortress entry in the 1810 Norfolk County census work because it was close
o the spelling of Poythress. I am going to post your question to our Poythress
ebsite to see if anyone has every confirmed the Fortress name listed as
ctually being a Poythress. Good luck in your research. I hope you find your
issing link soon.
Take Care,
Elaine


I stumbled on your Poythress In The Census- VA, Part 1 and was surprised to find
ortress (1810 Norfolk County) listed. I have been trying to get back further
han 1810 in my wife's Fortress for nearly 40 years. I thought there was a name
hange. Do you think I am barking up the wrong tree by pursuing Poythress?
Dean

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he message		12/22/2009 4:02:31
Re: [POYTHRESS] FortressHi Dean. Due to the miss spelling over the centuries of Poythress, I included the Fortress entry in the 1810 Norfolk County census work because it was close to the spelling of Poythress. I am going to post your question to our Poythress website to see if anyone has every confirmed the Fortress name listed as actually being a Poythress. Good luck in your research. I hope you find your missing link soon.

Take Care,
Elaine





I stumbled on your Poythress In The Census- VA, Part 1 and was surprised to find Fortress (1810 Norfolk County) listed. I have been trying to get back further than 1810 in my wife's Fortress for nearly 40 years. I thought there was a name change. Do you think I am barking up the wrong tree by pursuing Poythress?

Dean		12/22/2009 12:16:26
Re: [POYTHRESS] FortressJerry PoythressI am a Poythress and I have been told by some teachers years ago that they were told to pronounce it fortress but just replace the F with a P. I have 4 brothers and 2 sisters living. I am the youngest , and i am 53 years old. My father was a Poythress which had 7 children which had 17 grandchildren which had 28 great grandchildren which some have 9 GreatX2 children. Which is the result of 61 people just from my mother and father. My father was from around Roanake Rapids NC. And my mother was from Salisbury NC. Most of us are in eastern NC. I Live in Grifton NC. Just to let you Know A little bit of info about our part of the family. My Name is Jerry Poythress at 252-244-2498




________________________________
From: "denver145@aol.com"
To: dean5207@gmail.com
Cc: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:16:26 PM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Fortress


Hi Dean. Due to the miss spelling over the centuries of Poythress, I included the Fortress entry in the 1810 Norfolk County census work because it was close to the spelling of Poythress. I am going to post your question to our Poythress website to see if anyone has every confirmed the Fortress name listed as actually being a Poythress. Good luck in your research. I hope you find your missing link soon.

Take Care,
Elaine





I stumbled on your Poythress In The Census- VA, Part 1 and was surprised to find Fortress (1810 Norfolk County) listed. I have been trying to get back further than 1810 in my wife's Fortress for nearly 40 years. I thought there was a name change. Do you think I am barking up the wrong tree by pursuing Poythress?

Dean


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Re: [POYTHRESS] FortressJerry,
Who are your parents,? I am from the Poythress line in Gasburg Va, and of
course I have kin in Gaston.

Teresa Willis...Mother-Caroline Ann Poythress, Grandfather-Delzie Elton
Poythress.





12/23/2009 4:24:56
Re: [POYTHRESS] FortressJerry PoythressWalter John Poythress is my dad and Alva Smithson Poythress is my mother. My father's dad was Charlie Poythress. My fathers mother was (Quanita Poythress ) Not sure about the spelling of her first name. I don't know alot about my grand parents because they died while I was very Young. If you would like you can call my Oldest Brother(Dorman Poythress252-447-5355) after 6 pm and ask him about alot of this info . I am curious about my family ancestors but don't have alot of time . Work alot. Thanks Jerry Poythress (252-244-2498) after 6 pm




________________________________
From: "vadixyluvr@aol.com"
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 11:24:56 AM
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Fortress

Jerry,
Who are your parents,? I am from the Poythress line in Gasburg Va, and of
course I have kin in Gaston.

Teresa Willis...Mother-Caroline Ann Poythress, Grandfather-Delzie Elton
Poythress.



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[POYTHRESS] FACEBOOKI just joined a Poythress group on Facebook, it has 60 members of mixed
race. If any of you are on Facebook, check it out. Just do a search on the
groups homepage.
Teresa Willis		12/24/2009 7:02:06
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress male line DNA studyBarbara NealJerry, any time is fine; no rush. As far as which of the tests: Most of
our participants have results from the 67-marker test, but one participant
who may well be in the same line as your father, has quite different results
from the other participants. While that fellow has results from the
37-marker test, even the 12-marker test would definitely show whether your
line is more similar to his line, or to the lines of the other participants.

Sadly, no DNA test is going to definitely tell exactly "who" your ancestors
were, but results that are very close to, or even identical to, any of our
other participants will really narrow the field to show which of those
Poythress lines (lines that other participant comes from).

Yeah, I'm familiar with the time crunch for auditors at this time of year.
Talk with you later - whenever.
Barbara		01/12/2010 1:10:47
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress male line DNA studyJerry PoythressIf you could wait I would be interested in a month or so. I am an auditor and this is a very busy time of year. I will contact you and talk to my oldest brother Dorman about this. Which test do you think would serve the purpose of finding where we came from and our past descendants? Thanks will talk later .Have to get up early so got to go for now . See ya Jerry Poythress P.s. My dads father was Charlie Poythress from Virginia.




________________________________
From: Barbara Neal
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 8:39:48 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Poythress male line DNA study

Jerry mentioned on Dec 22nd that he and his older brother, Dorman Poythress,
were interested in taking a DNA test, after Elaine had mentioned our
Poythress male DNA study. As she mentioned, I serve as the group
administrator for that study. Sorry for my lag in responding.

Information about our Poythress male DNA study is available at
www.FamilyTreeDNA.com

At that website, type POYTHRESS in the box at the upper right to find the
Poythress group.

Various tests are available at group discount prices ranging from $99
(checking 12 markers) to $249 (checking 67 markers). From the main website
(above) anyone can read about the simple testing procedure, etc.

After looking at the above info about it, any Poythress male is welcome to
sign up for which ever test kit. Jerry, if you or your brother are
interested after you look at that, and want me to call you or Dorman to
discuss it, let me know what evening or day of the week (other than
Tuesdays), and a time that would be convenient for me to call.

Cheers,
Barbara

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[POYTHRESS] Poythress male line DNA studyBarbara NealJerry mentioned on Dec 22nd that he and his older brother, Dorman Poythress,
were interested in taking a DNA test, after Elaine had mentioned our
Poythress male DNA study. As she mentioned, I serve as the group
administrator for that study. Sorry for my lag in responding.

Information about our Poythress male DNA study is available at
www.FamilyTreeDNA.com

At that website, type POYTHRESS in the box at the upper right to find the
Poythress group.

Various tests are available at group discount prices ranging from $99
(checking 12 markers) to $249 (checking 67 markers). From the main website
(above) anyone can read about the simple testing procedure, etc.

After looking at the above info about it, any Poythress male is welcome to
sign up for which ever test kit. Jerry, if you or your brother are
interested after you look at that, and want me to call you or Dorman to
discuss it, let me know what evening or day of the week (other than
Tuesdays), and a time that would be convenient for me to call.

Cheers,
Barbara		01/12/2010 11:39:48
[POYTHRESS] Poythress deaths in MS & TNBarbara NealWith sympathy to the extended family in Mississippi, Tennessee, and indeed
across the nation, including some subscribers of our Poythress-List, (and
with thanks to the online services of Legacy.com which serves many
newspapers across the nation) here are notices re two deaths from the same
family, one last week and one last Fall:
=
>From Legacy.com's listing for the Meridian, MS newspaper "The Meridian Star"
-
Mary Poythress
Services for Mary Poythress will be held Wednesday at 11 a.m. at Stephens
Funeral Home Chapel with Rev. Greg Massey and Dr. Marcus Finch officiating.
Burial will be in Magnolia Cemetery. Mrs. Poythress, 94, of Meridian, died
Thursday, January 14, 2010, at Infinity Hospice in Marion. She worked 22
years at Rush Hospital and retired as executive housekeeper. She was a
member of Central Baptist Church in Meridian. Survivors include her sons,
Joe W. Poythress and wife, Shirley, of Quitman, Philip Lamar Poythress and
wife, Kathy, of Anchorage, Alaska, and John Michael Poythress and wife,
Vickie, of Alabaster, Ala.; nine grandchildren; 11 great-grandchildren;
daughter-in-law, Dancy Waters Poythress of Nashville, Tenn.; and special
niece, Ann Covert and husband, Fred, of Coppell, Texas. She is preceded in
death by her husband, John Wallace Poythress; her parents; a daughter, JoAnn
Poythress; a son, Patric Brett Poythress; two brothers, Leon Brett and
Maurice Brett; sisters, Ethelyn B. Calhoun and Polly Brett. Visitation will
be Wednesday from 9 a.m. until service time at Stephens Funeral Home.
Published in The Meridian Star on 1/18/2010
=
Bpn note: This family also lost last Fall one of her sons, as shown in the
below Legacy.com obit, which was also published in "The Meridian Star" (on 4
& 5 Sep 2009):
=
The Meridian Star
Patric B. Poythress
NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Memorial services for Patric Brett Poythress will be held
Monday Sept. 14th at 11:30 a.m. at Woodlawn's Dignity Hall with the Rev.
Larry Grainger officiating. Entombment will follow in Woodlawn's Cross
Mausoleum with Woodlawn-Roesch-Patton Funeral Home in charge of
arrangements. Mr. Poythress, 72, of Jackson and formerly of Clinton, passed
to his Heavenly home Tuesday, Sept. 1, 2009, surrounded by his loving family
when ushered into the presence of his Savior Christ Jesus, after a
courageous fight with Scleroderma and lung cancer. He was born April 16,
1937, in Meridian, Miss. to Mary Brett Poythress and the late John Wallace
Poythress. Mr. Poythress served in the Mississippi Air National Guard from
1955-1963, retired from BellSouth as manager in the Central Office Equipment
Engineering, Mississippi Area Office, and was an avid golfer and member at
Live Oaks Golf Club in Jackson, Miss. He was also a fisherman, hunter, and
was talented in carpentry of all kinds, Survivors include his wife of 50
years, Dancy Watters Poythress; daughter, Melanie Gaye Poythress; son,
Donald Wallace Poythress and his wife, Aubrey Noel, of Mt. Juliet, Tenn.;
mother, Mary Brett Poythress of Meridian, Miss.; brothers, Joe W. Poythress
and his wife, Shirley, of Quitman, Miss., Philip L. Poythress and his wife,
Kathy, of Anchorage, Alaska, and Michael Poythress and his wife, Vickie, of
Birmingham, Ala.; sister-in-law, Glenda Mowdy and her husband, Will, of
Orlando, Fla.; special nieces and nephews, and a grand friend, Georgia
Claire Varble. He was preceded in death by his father; infant son, Brett
Watters Poythress; and infant sister, JoAnn Poythress. Special thanks to his
many doctors and nurses at Vanderbilt Medical Center. Visitation will be
Monday Sept. 14th, from 9 a.m.-11:30 a.m. in the drawing room of
Woodlawn-Roesch-Patton Funeral Home, 660 Thompson Lane, Nashville, Tenn.
37204.		01/18/2010 4:30:39
[POYTHRESS] Poythress deaths in NCBarbara NealWith sympathy to this North Carolina family, (and with thanks to the online
services of Legacy.com, serving many newspapers across the nation, and
especially thanks to the online service of The Goldsboro News-Argus) below
are notices re two deaths from the same family, one last week and one in May
2007.

Notice of last week's death was initially seen in the following brief death
notice, copied from Legacy.com's listing for the Charlotte, NC newspaper,
"The News & Observer" --

Dennis C. Poythress
Dennis C. Poythress, 67, Dudley, died 01-13-2010. Arrangements: Tyndall, Mt.
Olive
Published in "The News & Observer" on January 14, 2010
= = =
His longer obituary was copied online from "The Goldsboro [NC] News-Argus:
Covering Wayne County (NC) since 1885" www.newsargus.com/obituaries. From
the name of his surviving wife, we know that the obit at the bottom here was
for his son in May 2007.
=
Obituary:
DENNIS C. POYTHRESS SR.
Feb. 20, 1942-Jan. 13, 2010
DUDLEY -- Dennis C. Poythress Sr., 67, 125 Kelly Springs Road, died early
today at Mount Olive Care and Rehabilitation Center.
A graveside service will be held Thursday at 2 p.m. in Calypso Cemetery.
He is survived by his wife, JoAnn Gardner Poythress of the home.
Arrangemenets are being handled by Tyndall Funeral Home of Mount Olive.
Published in Obituaries on January 13, 2010 1:46 PM
= = =
Below is the obit of his son, Dennis Carroll Poythress, Jr. who died two and
a half years ago, in May 2007, as published online 23 May 2007 by the
"News-Argus: Covering Wayne County (NC) since 1885"
http://www.newsargus.com/obituaries/archives/2007/05/
=
Obituary:
Dennis Poythress, Jr.
June 2, 1971 - May 21, 2007
DUDLEY -- Dennis Carroll Poythress Jr., 35, died Monday at his home in
Sneads Ferry. He was a native of the Mount Olive/Dudley area of Wayne County
and was a long distance truck driver.
Graveside services will be 3 p.m. Thursday at Calypso Cemetery in Calypso.
Survived by his wife, Shela Wallace of the home; stepson, Austin Brewer of
Sneads Ferry; parents, Dennis C. and Jo Ann Gardner Poythress of Dudley;
three children, Billy and Mercedes, both of Wisconsin, and Matt of
Jacksonville; his parents-in-law, Curtis R. and Lucille Daniels of Snow
Hill.
The family welcomes friends and relatives to the residence of his parents
at 125 Kelly Springs Road, Dudley.
Visitation will be 7-9 p.m. tonight at Tyndall's Funeral Home in Mount
Olive.		01/18/2010 4:30:46
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress deaths in NCstevew602Unless there are two of them, the News and Observer is a Raleigh paper, not Charlotte......


Steve

-----Original Message-----
>From: Barbara Neal
>Sent: Jan 18, 2010 1:30 PM
>To: Poythress List
>Subject: [POYTHRESS] Poythress deaths in NC
>
>With sympathy to this North Carolina family, (and with thanks to the online
>services of Legacy.com, serving many newspapers across the nation, and
>especially thanks to the online service of The Goldsboro News-Argus) below
>are notices re two deaths from the same family, one last week and one in May
>2007.
>
>Notice of last week's death was initially seen in the following brief death
>notice, copied from Legacy.com's listing for the Charlotte, NC newspaper,
>"The News & Observer" --
>
>Dennis C. Poythress
>Dennis C. Poythress, 67, Dudley, died 01-13-2010. Arrangements: Tyndall, Mt.
>Olive
>Published in "The News & Observer" on January 14, 2010
>= = =
>His longer obituary was copied online from "The Goldsboro [NC] News-Argus:
>Covering Wayne County (NC) since 1885" www.newsargus.com/obituaries. From
>the name of his surviving wife, we know that the obit at the bottom here was
>for his son in May 2007.
>=
>Obituary:
>DENNIS C. POYTHRESS SR.
>Feb. 20, 1942-Jan. 13, 2010
> DUDLEY -- Dennis C. Poythress Sr., 67, 125 Kelly Springs Road, died early
>today at Mount Olive Care and Rehabilitation Center.
> A graveside service will be held Thursday at 2 p.m. in Calypso Cemetery.
> He is survived by his wife, JoAnn Gardner Poythress of the home.
> Arrangemenets are being handled by Tyndall Funeral Home of Mount Olive.
>Published in Obituaries on January 13, 2010 1:46 PM
>= = =
>Below is the obit of his son, Dennis Carroll Poythress, Jr. who died two and
>a half years ago, in May 2007, as published online 23 May 2007 by the
>"News-Argus: Covering Wayne County (NC) since 1885"
>http://www.newsargus.com/obituaries/archives/2007/05/
>=
>Obituary:
>Dennis Poythress, Jr.
>June 2, 1971 - May 21, 2007
> DUDLEY -- Dennis Carroll Poythress Jr., 35, died Monday at his home in
>Sneads Ferry. He was a native of the Mount Olive/Dudley area of Wayne County
>and was a long distance truck driver.
> Graveside services will be 3 p.m. Thursday at Calypso Cemetery in Calypso.
> Survived by his wife, Shela Wallace of the home; stepson, Austin Brewer of
>Sneads Ferry; parents, Dennis C. and Jo Ann Gardner Poythress of Dudley;
>three children, Billy and Mercedes, both of Wisconsin, and Matt of
>Jacksonville; his parents-in-law, Curtis R. and Lucille Daniels of Snow
>Hill.
> The family welcomes friends and relatives to the residence of his parents
>at 125 Kelly Springs Road, Dudley.
> Visitation will be 7-9 p.m. tonight at Tyndall's Funeral Home in Mount
>Olive.
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress deaths in NCBarbara NealThanks, Steve, for the clarification. Unfortunately Legacy.com's original
indication was less than clear. Now with your help & consulting Google it
is clearer that (newsobserver.com) "The *News* & *Observer* is the top
source for *news*, sports, business and political reporting for Raleigh,
Durham, Cary, Chapel Hill and the rest *..." *

while the Charlotte newspaper, which Google lists simply as "The Observer"
is at charlotte.com.

Cheers, Barbara



01/23/2010 10:35:45
[POYTHRESS] 1893 W.J. Poythress news clipping & 1870 Census for his familyBarbara NealThanks to a dear friend who sent me a copy of a little clipping from the 31
Aug 1893 "Carolina Watchman" which I've transcribed as shown below. I bet
with sentences like this one handed down, there weren't many "repeat"
offenses.

Below the transcription of the news article is my transcription of an 1870
Census record for Person Co, NC that seems to me fits for being him (born
about 1862) and his family.

Article from 31 Aug 1893 [Thursday] "Carolina Watchman" [Note: Concord, NC
is in Cabarrus County, not far northeast of Charlotte]:
"W. J. Poythress who up to a short time ago, was an agent of the Singer
Manufacturing Co., at Concord, N.C., was tried in the Criminal court at
Charlotte last week, convicted, and sentenced to 4 years on the chain gang
for embezzling money of the said company."

>From examination of a digital Census image, Bpn transcription of the 1870
Person Co, NC is as follows. Person County, by the way, is along the VA-NC
line, due south of South Boston, in Halifax County, VA. The county seat of
Person County in my Rand McNally Road Atlas is Roxboro, which appears to be
the only town of much size in the county. It is due north of Durham, NC.
All people in the household had the same surname; last two people of the
household were at the top of 2nd page. The head of household, George's
middle initial is clearly "W" being the same as the first letter of the
first name of 8-yr old William. At this time, I do not know who the
household's last-listed woman (33-yr old Elizabeth Paythress or Poythress,
born in VA) is, and whether Poythress was her maiden name or a married name.

Flat River Twp, Person Co, NC, Roxboro P.O., Dwelling 162, Family 165,
Census as of 1 Jun 1870 enumerated on 14 Jul:
- Poythress [or Paythress], Geo. W., age 31, male, white, no value shown
for any real estate or personal estate, farm laborer, born Virginia, cannot
read or write, male citizen of US over 21;
- Permelia, age 23, female, white, keeps house, born VA [by ditto], cannot
read or write;
- William J., age 8, male, white, at home, born N Carolina;
- Robert, age 6, male, white, born N Carolina [by ditto];
- Ella, age 4, female, white, born N Carolina [by ditto];
- Simeon, age 2, male, white, born N Carolina [by ditto];
- John B., age 3/12, male, white, At home, born N Carolina in "Feb;"
- Elizabeth, age 33, female, white, At home, born Virginia, cannot read or
write

If anyone can help place the last member of the household, Elizabeth
Poythress, born about 1837 in Virginia, I'd appreciate learning more about
her. Thanks,
Barbara		01/26/2010 3:11:09
Re: [POYTHRESS] Transcription Gideon's son John D Portress, Southampton Co, VA Marriagenancy netterBarbara,
 
I got the impression that Benjamin's (the huxter) could be Hardiman. Of course, no one has been able to document this speculation.
 
N. J. Netter

--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Barbara Neal wrote:


From: Barbara Neal
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Transcription Gideon's son John D Portress, Southampton Co, VA Marriage
To: "Poythress List"
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:11 PM


Below is my transcription of a marriage record sent by a friend, copied from
Southampton Co, VA records. The groom, John D Portress [Poythress], was age
53 & widowed on the below 15 March 1869 marriage certificate; thus John D
was likely born about 1815-1816.  I suspect the father of the groom listed
in the marriage certificate portion as Gidian is the man we have seen in the
1830 Southampton Co, VA Census, where Elaine transcribed the Census listing
as:
Potess, Gideon – pg. 280, 1 M 40-49, 1 F under 5, 1 F 40-49
Since the 1830 Census indicates Gideon in 1830 was between 40-49, he was
likely born in the 1781-1790.  Thus this Gideon could be the father of the
groom John D, who also indicates his mother's name, Peggy, which I don't
think we had before.

I do not handily recall at the moment why a couple of our List subscribers
have indicated that Gideon was the father (or perhaps they said the possible
father?) of huxter Benjamin Poythress, but perhaps they'll speak up and
remind us.

Southampton Co, VA Marriage Book 1a, p.314, bottom entry:
=
Marriage License
Virginia, Southampton County to wit:
     To any Person Licensed to Celebrate Marriages
  You are hereby authorized to join together in the Holy State of Matrimony,
according to the rites and ceremonies of your Church, or religious
denomination, and the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia,
John D Portress
Mary A Blythe
  Given under my hand, as Clerk of the County Court of
Southampton County this 15th day of March 1869
   [signed] James R. Gydes [or Gyles?], Deputy Clerk
[affixed Internal Revenue Certificate stamp on which was hand-written 3
initials and the date "Mch 15 1869"]
=
Certificate To Obtain a Marriage License
To be annexed to the License, required by Act passed 15th March, 1861
- Time of Marriage: 20th day of March 1869
- Place of Marriage: Southampton Co.
- Full names of Parties Married: John D. Portress & Mary A. Blythe
- Age of Husband: 53 years
- Age of Wife: 40 years
- Condition of Husband (widowed or single): Widowed
- Condition of Wife (widowed or single): Widowed
- Place of Husband's Birth:   Southampton Co.
- Place of Wife's Birth:       Do [ditto]  "
- Place of Husband's Residence: Do         "
- Place of Wife's Residence:    Do         "
- Name of Husband's Parents: Gidian & Peggy Portress
- Name of Wife's Parents:  Ellis Brock (Father)
- Occupation of Husband: Farmer
Given under my hand this 15th day of March 1869
    John D - his X mark - Portress

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[POYTHRESS] Transcription Gideon's son John D Portress, Southampton Co, VA MarriageBarbara NealBelow is my transcription of a marriage record sent by a friend, copied from
Southampton Co, VA records. The groom, John D Portress [Poythress], was age
53 & widowed on the below 15 March 1869 marriage certificate; thus John D
was likely born about 1815-1816. I suspect the father of the groom listed
in the marriage certificate portion as Gidian is the man we have seen in the
1830 Southampton Co, VA Census, where Elaine transcribed the Census listing
as:
Potess, Gideon – pg. 280, 1 M 40-49, 1 F under 5, 1 F 40-49
Since the 1830 Census indicates Gideon in 1830 was between 40-49, he was
likely born in the 1781-1790. Thus this Gideon could be the father of the
groom John D, who also indicates his mother's name, Peggy, which I don't
think we had before.

I do not handily recall at the moment why a couple of our List subscribers
have indicated that Gideon was the father (or perhaps they said the possible
father?) of huxter Benjamin Poythress, but perhaps they'll speak up and
remind us.

Southampton Co, VA Marriage Book 1a, p.314, bottom entry:
=
Marriage License
Virginia, Southampton County to wit:
To any Person Licensed to Celebrate Marriages
You are hereby authorized to join together in the Holy State of Matrimony,
according to the rites and ceremonies of your Church, or religious
denomination, and the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia,
John D Portress
Mary A Blythe
Given under my hand, as Clerk of the County Court of
Southampton County this 15th day of March 1869
[signed] James R. Gydes [or Gyles?], Deputy Clerk
[affixed Internal Revenue Certificate stamp on which was hand-written 3
initials and the date "Mch 15 1869"]
=
Certificate To Obtain a Marriage License
To be annexed to the License, required by Act passed 15th March, 1861
- Time of Marriage: 20th day of March 1869
- Place of Marriage: Southampton Co.
- Full names of Parties Married: John D. Portress & Mary A. Blythe
- Age of Husband: 53 years
- Age of Wife: 40 years
- Condition of Husband (widowed or single): Widowed
- Condition of Wife (widowed or single): Widowed
- Place of Husband's Birth: Southampton Co.
- Place of Wife's Birth: Do [ditto] "
- Place of Husband's Residence: Do "
- Place of Wife's Residence: Do "
- Name of Husband's Parents: Gidian & Peggy Portress
- Name of Wife's Parents: Ellis Brock (Father)
- Occupation of Husband: Farmer
Given under my hand this 15th day of March 1869
John D - his X mark - Portress		01/27/2010 11:11:50
[POYTHRESS] Singer Sewing Co & 2 Poythress menBarbara NealMy message of 26 Jan re the conviction in 1893 of W J Poythress for
embezzling from Singer rang a bell for more than one of us.

Yes, I think there is a connection between these two Poythress men who
worked for Singer in late 1800s -- nephew and uncle -- assuming my surmise
of family for W.J. was correct for him being the eldest son (William J) in
the 1870 Census household of George W Poythress & Permelia.

George W is one son of David E Poythress. David had children from his first
wife, Mary Speed Dortch, and from his second wife, Sally Dortch. The
combined children of David E, with approx birth years where exact dates are
not known, are as follows, with the first 3 or 4 being from the first
marriage:
- 1829 Sep 24 (from family Bible records) James Speed Poythress who married
Martha Grice Raiford (who had moved to Sumter Co, AL and later Meridian,
Lauderdale Co, MS)
- about 1830 Martha Jane Poythress who married John P Tucker,
- about 1836 Mary E Poythress who married N D Vaughan,
- about 1841-1849 George W Poythress who married Permelia Redman (parents
of the W J Poythress of my message of 26 Jan 2010)
- 15 Jul 1849 (from family Bible records) Charles D Poythress [see more
about him below] who married India Peru Twisdale
- about 1853 Lucy M Poythress who married James Twisdale
- about 1858 Alice M Poythress who married John R Twisdale

Charles D Poythress died at age 43, on 29 July 1892 in Atlanta, about 3.5
years after he had moved to GA from Henderson, NC [thus he moved around
January 1889 to GA], and he had lived several years earlier in/near
Henderson.

In both of those locations Charles D Poythress was employed by the Singer
Sewing Machine Company, apparently as a Manager. He was highly thought of
(see the info below about him which comes from two articles). It could well
be that he had helped his younger nephew get a position with Singer; sad
that W J Poythress was caught embezzling from Singer and convicted in the
year after the death of Charles D Poythress.

The two articles:
(1) The longer article is from the Henderson, NC "Gold Leaf" newspaper,
issue of 4 Aug 1892, p.3. From the scanned copy kept in the family Bible of
the wife of the deceased, it is clear that Charles D Poythress had worked
for Singer the article reads "Death of a Former Citizen of Henderson: Mr. J.
S. Poythress [Bpn note: this was James Sneed Poythress] received a telegram
Saturday conveying the sad intelligence of the death of his father Mr.
Charles D. Poythress, which occurred Friday night in Atlanta, Ga., where he
was employed by the Singer Sewing Machine Co. He had been sick about three
weeks, but his condition was not thought to be serious, and his death was
quite a shock to his family and friends. On the 26th, just three days before
he died, he had written a letter to his son, and seemed to be hopeful of his
early restoration to health. The remains were brought on and interred at the
old family homestead near Middleburg at 3:30 o'clock Sunday afternoon.
Deceased was 43 years. He lived in Henderson at one time and about three and
a half years ago moved to Thomasville, Ga. He leaves a wife and three
children, his family being at Ridgeway, where they had come to spend the
summer, at the time of his death. Mr. Poythress was an honest and
industrious man and a good citizen. He was a Knight of Honor and a Mason,
and was held in high esteem by a large circle of acquaintances.

(2) the little article Sandy sent to our List, from the 31 July 1892
Raleigh, NC paper "The News and Observer" carried in its Henderson [NC] news
column the mis-dated item datelined Henderson, NC June[sic, should be July,
since this was scanned from the 31 July newspaper] 30, which said "A
telegram to Mr. Jas. S. Poythress [Bpn note: this would be James Sneed
Poythress] this morning brought the sad intelligence of the death of his
father, Mr. Chas. D. Poythress, in Atlanta, Ga., last night. Mr. Poythress
lived here several years as manager of the Singer Sewing Machine Company,
and made many friends whose heartiest sympathy go out to his bereaved
family."		01/27/2010 11:55:07
[POYTHRESS] Singer Sewing Co & 2 Poythress men & sorting out 2 George PoythressesBarbara NealHi Nicole, & thanks for following up with me - I hope you don't mind that I
copied your message below this one, since we need to have this clarifying
info archived in our message archives, and I would have totally missed this
without you writing.

First of all, yes, I fully agree with you that the 1860 Census-taker down in
Granville Co, NC messed up that Edward Poythress household, and if I'm
recalling correctly, he messed up a ton of other households, too, in that
Census.

Back to George who married Permelia (parents of the son W.J. who I had
proposed was the W.J. Poythress who embezzled from Singer), and who was that
George's daddy -- the problem is that there were two kids named George
around the time span -- one who was son of Edward, and one who was son of
David. You may well be right, and as I look more deeply, I agree that I may
well have initally plucked the wrong George (having forgotten that there
were 2 George Poythress fellows born within about 3 yrs of each other) when
I attributed the George Poythress who was married to Permelia, and who had a
son William J, to being the son of David. Permelia's husband George could
well have been son of Edward instead.

If you, Nicole, or anyone else out there on our List has seen an actual copy
of the Granville Co, NC Marriage Record for George W & Permelia, I'd sure
appreciate getting a copy of it: that could well clarify who was the daddy
of this George W (marrying Permelia), since NC usually put the names of the
parents of those marrying.

I have not seen that actual marriage record; I've only seen that in
Holcomb's Marriages of Granville Co, NC 1753-1868, and Holcomg didn't list
parent information, if indeed it is on the record. In Holcomb, this
marriage was listed as: George Y. Poytress to Permelia S. Redman bond 13 May
1861 with John T. Rodman (sic) bondsman, marr 16 May 1861 by Peterson Thorp,
J.P. [I had earlier noted to myself that though his middle initial is shown
in the marriage transcription by Holcomb as "Y" this is logically the same
man shown in the 1870 Census of Person Co, NC -- the adjacent county -- as
Geo. W Paythress or Poythress with the 2nd person in the household being
Permelia.]

Edward's son George W. was apparently roughly 3 yrs older than David's son
George W. And the George who is with Permelia in the 1870 Census I first
mentioned (concerning figuring out who was the likely father of W.J. who
embezzled from Singer) was listed as age 31 as of the June 1, 1870 Census
date, so that age of 31 in 1870 for George seems to fit more logically with
Edward's son George, though neither of them is a precise fit age-wise.

>From your 1850 Census for Edward's family (below this message in your
email), we see that Edward's son George was listed as 12 as of June 1st
1850, and thus we can compute that Edward's George was born between 2 Jun
1837 & 1 Jun 1838. If they were precisely correct about George being 12 as
of 1 Jun 1850, and if they got his age precisely correct as of 1 Jun 1870,
he should have been 32 then, not 31. But we all know census-takers and
folks giving their ages to them, were a lot looser about ages in those days.

On the other hand, the young George in David Poythress' 1850 household, we
find listed as 9 as of June 1, 1850 (so thus born between 2 Jun 1840 & 1 Jun
1841); again if that were precisely right, then he would have been only 29
as of 1 Jun 1870. That census:

1850 Mecklenburg Co, VA, 98th Regiment portion, sheets 56-57 by stamped
numbers, or 113 by handwritten number, enumerated 17-18 Sep 1850 by J O
Knox, dwelling 134, family 134 [all indicated as "white" since this
census-taker left that column blank unless he wrote in some indication to
the contrary],
David Poythress, age 44, male, Overseer, real estate owned being valued at
429, born VA
Sally, age 32 female, b.VA
James, age 17 male, b.VA
Mary, age 14 female, b.VA
George, age 9 male, b.VA
[and at top of next page, still dw.134, fam.134:]
Charles Poythress, age 1 male, b.VA

And that age for David's son George is consistent in the 1860 Census:

1860 Warren Co, NC – Warrenton, p.510, enumerated 27 Jun, HH 425:
Poythress, D., age 53, male, overseer, value real est. 3000, born
Mecklenburg, VA, cannot read and write;
S.R., age 40, female, born Mecklenburg, VA;
G.W., age 19, male, born Mecklenburg, VA;
C.D., age 11, male, born Mecklenburg, VA;
L.M., age 7, female, born Mecklenburg, VA;
A.M., age 4, female, born Mecklenburg, VA.

As you pointed out, in 1860, Edward's household, in Abrams Plains, Granville
Co, NC, does not contain a George (but it had other problems in the
recording of the family), so presumably Edward's George has another
household, somewhere, that year, or he got forgotten, or perhaps he had gone
off to visit relatives further south, or perhaps he had died. At any rate, I
haven't seen him anywhere yet.

By the way, both of these two Poythress families having named two baby boys
"George" gets especially curious if Edward & David were indeed both sons of
Lewis -- half-brothers due to Lewis' 2 wives. If they were half-brothers,
then perhaps both naming a child George can be attributed both Edward &
David having some admiration for their Uncle George. Interesting, too, that
both Edward & David were in the same area of Mecklenburg Co, VA in 1850, and
by 1860 both had moved to NC, with Edward moving a little further west in NC
to Granville Co, than David's move into Warren Co.

Of course if Edward & David were indeed half-brothers, both sons of Lewis,
then the young W.J. who embezzled from Singer was still related to David's
son Charles D Poythress (the much-admired manager for Singer who died at
43). Under the scenario of WJ's grandfather being Edward (versus his
grandfather being David) then WJ would be a first cousin one generation
removed from Charles D, if I'm looking at one of those relationship-charts
correctly;)

Thanks again for writing & bringing the 2 George Poythresses-so-close-in-age
to my attention on this.
Cheers, Barbara

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Theresa Graysmith wrote:

Barbara,

I wanted to follow up on this. My great-grandmother is Ella Mae, one of
George and Permlia's daughters. I had always thought that George was the
son of Edward Poythress and Mahala Nance, based on the 1850 census which
lists a George W. Poythress of the right age in the household and based on
his ages in the 1870 and 1880 census (which would indicate a late 1830's
birth). I know where he is buried and keep meaning to go by there and see
if his birth date is written on his grave. An Elizabeth Poythress shows up
in Edward and Mahala's household in the 1860 census and then George and
Permelia's household in the 1870 census.

Here is the 1850 census:
Name: George Poythress
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Birth Place: Virginia
Gender: Male
Home in 1850 (City,County,State): Regiment 98, Mecklenburg, Virginia
Family Number: 241
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Poythress 52
Mahala Poythress 47
Sarah A Poythress 18
Harriett Poythress 16
George Poythress 12

And then here is the 1860 census:
Edward Poithress
Age in 1860: 85
Birth Year: abt 1775
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1860: Abrams Plains, Granville, North Carolina
Race: Mulatto
Gender: Female
Post Office: Sassafras Fork
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members:
Name Age
Rebecca Johnson 65
Edward Poithress 85
Mahaly Poithress 53
Elizabeth Poithress 22

I believe that the census taker completely ruined this record - his age
was written incorrectly and instead of 85 it should be 58, he is also listed
as Mulatto and Female. So, perhaps I am completely wrong,

Nicole		01/28/2010 10:26:02
Re: [POYTHRESS] Singer Sewing Co & 2 Poythress men & sorting out 2 George PoythressesSandyBarbara,

NC marriage bonds (issued up until about 1868) didn't include
information on parents. They only included names of the bride, groom,
bondsman and witness (usually the co. clerk.)

Beginning 1868, the state switched to marriage licenses which did have
spaces for the parents' names, whether they were dead or living, and
if living, where they resided. That said, we do run across the
occasional odd, pre-1868 bond on which additional information, like
parents' names, was noted. However, when he found one, Brent included
the information in his Granville Co. book.

I'm a great believer in consulting original records, but I think it's
unlikely parents are listed on this 1861 marriage bond.

-Sandy

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:
> Hi Nicole, & thanks for following up with me - I hope you don't mind that I
> copied your message below this one, since we need to have this clarifying
> info archived in our message archives, and I would have totally missed this
> without you writing.
>
> First of all, yes, I fully agree with you that the 1860 Census-taker down in
> Granville Co, NC messed up that Edward Poythress household, and if I'm
> recalling correctly, he messed up a ton of other households, too, in that
> Census.
>
> Back to George who married Permelia (parents of the son W.J. who I had
> proposed was the W.J. Poythress who embezzled from Singer), and who was that
> George's daddy -- the problem is that there were two kids named George
> around the time span -- one who was son of Edward, and one who was son of
> David.  You may well be right, and as I look more deeply, I agree that I may
> well have initally plucked the wrong George (having forgotten that there
> were 2 George Poythress fellows born within about 3 yrs of each other) when
> I attributed the George Poythress who was married to Permelia, and who had a
> son William J, to being the son of David.  Permelia's husband George could
> well have been son of Edward instead.
>
> If you, Nicole, or anyone else out there on our List has seen an actual copy
> of the Granville Co, NC Marriage Record for George W & Permelia, I'd sure
> appreciate getting a copy of it:  that could well clarify who was the daddy
> of this George W (marrying Permelia), since NC usually put the names of the
> parents of those marrying.
>
> I have not seen that actual marriage record;  I've only seen that in
> Holcomb's Marriages of Granville Co, NC 1753-1868, and Holcomg didn't list
> parent information, if indeed it is on the record.  In Holcomb, this
> marriage was listed as: George Y. Poytress to Permelia S. Redman bond 13 May
> 1861 with John T. Rodman (sic) bondsman, marr 16 May 1861 by Peterson Thorp,
> J.P. [I had earlier noted to myself that though his middle initial is shown
> in the marriage transcription by Holcomb as "Y" this is logically the same
> man shown in the 1870 Census of Person Co, NC -- the adjacent county -- as
> Geo. W Paythress or Poythress with the 2nd person in the household being
> Permelia.]
>
> Edward's son George W. was apparently roughly 3 yrs older than David's son
> George W.  And the George who is with Permelia in the 1870 Census I first
> mentioned (concerning figuring out who was the likely father of W.J. who
> embezzled from Singer) was listed as age 31 as of the June 1, 1870 Census
> date, so that age of 31 in 1870 for George seems to fit more logically with
> Edward's son George, though neither of them is a precise fit age-wise.
>
> >From your 1850 Census for Edward's family (below this message in your
> email), we see that Edward's son George was listed as 12 as of June 1st
> 1850, and thus we can compute that Edward's George was born between 2 Jun
> 1837 & 1 Jun 1838.  If they were precisely correct about George being 12 as
> of 1 Jun 1850, and if they got his age precisely correct as of 1 Jun 1870,
> he should have been 32 then, not 31.  But we all know census-takers and
> folks giving their ages to them, were a lot looser about ages in those days.
>
> On the other hand, the young George in David Poythress' 1850 household, we
> find listed as 9 as of June 1, 1850 (so thus born between 2 Jun 1840 & 1 Jun
> 1841); again if that were precisely right, then he would have been only 29
> as of 1 Jun 1870.  That census:
>
> 1850 Mecklenburg Co, VA, 98th Regiment portion, sheets 56-57 by stamped
> numbers, or 113 by handwritten number, enumerated 17-18 Sep 1850 by J O
> Knox, dwelling 134, family 134 [all indicated as "white" since this
> census-taker left that column blank unless he wrote in some indication to
> the contrary],
> David Poythress, age 44, male, Overseer, real estate owned being valued at
> 429, born VA
> Sally, age 32 female, b.VA
> James, age 17 male, b.VA
> Mary, age 14 female, b.VA
> George, age 9 male, b.VA
> [and at top of next page, still dw.134, fam.134:]
> Charles Poythress, age 1 male, b.VA
>
> And that age for David's son George is consistent in the 1860 Census:
>
> 1860 Warren Co, NC – Warrenton, p.510, enumerated 27 Jun, HH 425:
> Poythress, D., age 53, male, overseer, value real est. 3000, born
> Mecklenburg, VA, cannot read and write;
> S.R., age 40, female, born Mecklenburg, VA;
> G.W., age 19, male, born Mecklenburg, VA;
> C.D., age 11, male, born Mecklenburg, VA;
> L.M., age 7, female, born Mecklenburg, VA;
> A.M., age 4, female, born Mecklenburg, VA.
>
> As you pointed out, in 1860, Edward's household, in Abrams Plains, Granville
> Co, NC, does not contain a George (but it had other problems in the
> recording of the family), so presumably Edward's George has another
> household, somewhere, that year, or he got forgotten, or perhaps he had gone
> off to visit relatives further south, or perhaps he had died. At any rate, I
> haven't seen him anywhere yet.
>
> By the way, both of these two Poythress families having named two baby boys
> "George" gets especially curious if Edward & David were indeed both sons of
> Lewis -- half-brothers due to Lewis' 2 wives.  If they were half-brothers,
> then perhaps both naming a child George can be attributed both Edward &
> David having some admiration for their Uncle George.  Interesting, too, that
> both Edward & David were in the same area of Mecklenburg Co, VA in 1850, and
> by 1860 both had moved to NC, with Edward moving a little further west in NC
> to Granville Co, than David's move into Warren Co.
>
> Of course if Edward & David were indeed half-brothers, both sons of Lewis,
> then the young W.J. who embezzled from Singer was still related to David's
> son Charles D Poythress (the much-admired manager for Singer who died at
> 43). Under the scenario of WJ's grandfather being Edward (versus his
> grandfather being David) then WJ would be a first cousin one generation
> removed from Charles D, if I'm looking at one of those relationship-charts
> correctly;)
>
> Thanks again for writing & bringing the 2 George Poythresses-so-close-in-age
> to my attention on this.
> Cheers, Barbara
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Theresa Graysmith wrote:
>
> Barbara,
>
> I wanted to follow up on this.  My great-grandmother is Ella Mae, one of
> George and Permlia's daughters.  I had always thought that George was the
> son of Edward Poythress and Mahala Nance, based on the 1850 census which
> lists a George W. Poythress of the right age in the household and based on
> his ages in the 1870 and 1880 census (which would indicate a late 1830's
> birth).  I know where he is buried and keep meaning to go by there and see
> if his birth date is written on his grave. An Elizabeth Poythress shows up
> in Edward and Mahala's household in the 1860 census and then George and
> Permelia's household in the 1870 census.
>
> Here is the 1850 census:
>    Name:     George Poythress
>    Age:     12
>    Estimated birth year:     abt 1838
>    Birth Place:     Virginia
>    Gender:     Male
>    Home in 1850 (City,County,State):     Regiment 98, Mecklenburg, Virginia
>    Family Number:     241
>    Household Members:
>    Name     Age
>    Edward Poythress     52
>    Mahala Poythress     47
>    Sarah A Poythress     18
>    Harriett Poythress     16
>    George Poythress     12
>
> And then here is the 1860 census:
>    Edward Poithress
>    Age in 1860:     85
>    Birth Year:     abt 1775
>    Birthplace:     Virginia
>    Home in 1860:     Abrams Plains, Granville, North Carolina
>    Race:     Mulatto
>    Gender:     Female
>    Post Office:     Sassafras Fork
>    Value of real estate:     View image
>    Household Members:
>    Name     Age
>    Rebecca Johnson     65
>    Edward Poithress     85
>    Mahaly Poithress     53
>    Elizabeth Poithress     22
>
>    I believe that the census taker completely ruined this record - his age
> was written incorrectly and instead of 85 it should be 58, he is also listed
> as Mulatto and Female.  So, perhaps I am completely wrong,
>
>    Nicole
>
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>		01/28/2010 12:06:38
Re: [POYTHRESS] Singer Sewing Co & 2 Poythress men & sorting out 2 George PoythressesBarbara NealThanks, Sandy, for that clarification.



01/28/2010 12:25:37
[POYTHRESS] Warren Co, NC - interesting findBarbara NealIn case you're unaware of it, the catalog of the Family History Library in
Salt Lake City is available to search online, and SOME of their items are
scanned & viewable digitally online from that catalog. (You do not need to
sign in or register to use the catalog.)

Re the scanned items: For example, today I found an interesting Poythress
item which I'll transcribe below.

But first, how to find things in their catalog:
The catalog is available at
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp

There you can search by various methods (author; part of a title name; a
keyword search, etc) I find the most helpful way is often to choose a
search on "Place" For it, after you click on PLACE, in the first box, type
just the county's name, WITHOUT the word "county" -- such as Warren -- and
in the second box, type the full name of whatever state that county is part
of -- such as North Carolina

Click on North Carolina, Warren [or North Carolina, Warren, Warrenton, or
whatever other choice from the resulting list]. Then you'll get an
alphabetical list of all the types of materials they have for that place,
including Cemeteries, Census, Church Records, Court Records, Probate
Records, Taxation, Vital Records, among many others. If you choose "Vital
Records" you'll see a list of all the books & microfilms on various vital
record types of things, including marriages, deaths, etc. You can click on
each of the ones that look of interest to learn more about each.

At that point today, I happened to click on one of those items that looked
interesting, "Warren County marriage bonds, series II, colored"

At the resulting screen, for those that are digitally available in full
online, one sees a red notice saying
"To view a digital version of this item, click here"
and on that screen I could also see that the items only has 31 pages, so I
clicked on it & read down thru each of the 31 pages in turn since it was one
of their old typescript items prepared by the Genealogical Society of Utah
back in the 1960s or earlier; it had no index; and it was easy to read thru
quickly. The scans are in Adobe Acrobat reader format, so easy to save or
print.

The interesting item I found is on page 24, and below is the total entry for
it:

Groom; Shell, Thomas (son of Thomas Poythress & Louisa Perceval)
Bride: Nannie Robinson (dau. Of Hubbard & Flora)
Date of Bond: 13 Jul 1867,
Bondsman & Witness: ___ [no bondsman]; w[itness] William J. White, Clk;
M[arrie]d 13 July 1867 by B.F.Long, M.G.		01/30/2010 4:41:31
Re: [POYTHRESS] Warren Co, NC - interesting findBarbara NealWith thanks to a friend for copies of the below 2 transcribed pages, the
below are posted as follow-up to the interesting find of the item I posted
here on 30 January, of the "colored" marriage of groom Thomas Shell (son of
Thomas Poythress & Louisa Perceval) and bride Nannie Robinson (daughter of
Hubbard & Flora), below is more information from my transcription of the
original 1867 marriage record, and below that, my transcription of the
couple's 1870 Census record, which is on the same page with that of her
parents and other relatives of hers. Note that in Census records, it becomes
apparent that Robinson, Robertson, Roberston, etc are interchanged (likely
due to less than precise pronunciation) often.

This "colored" Thomas Poythress (likely born at least by 1820-1825), father
of Thomas Shell (born in VA about 1846), is not someone I've previously
noticed in any Census records either in Warren Co, NC, or in the counties
across the state-line in Brunswick or Mecklenburg Co, VA. If anyone can
help in further identifying him, I'd appreciate learning more about him,
whether said Thomas Poythress may have been a slave or a free black, or
whatever.

Transcription from copy of the original Warren Co, NC marriage record
contained in Warren Co, NC Marriage Bonds, Series II, Colored:
State of North Carolina, Warren County ... [License greeting &
authorizing...]
any Regular Minister of the Gospel of whatever Denomination, or any
Justice of the Peace of said County... to solemnize the Rites of Matrimony
between Thomas Shell, col[ored], son of Thomas Poythress, col[ored], and
Louisa Perceval, col[ored], and Nannie Robinson, col[ored], daughter of
Hubbard Robinson, col[ored], and Flora Robinson, col[ored], and join them
together as man and wife.
Witness, William A. White, Clerk of the COunty Court, at office in
Warrenton, this 13th day of July, ... 1867. [signed] William A. White, Clerk
[and the Certificate below it:]
This Certifies That the Rites of Matrimony were solemnized by me between
Thomas Shell (Col[ored]) and Nannie Robinson (Col[ored]) at Warrenton, NC on
the 13th day of July A.D. 1867 [signed] B.F. Long, Minister.

Transcription of two dwellings on the same page. Note that on this page are
a total of 8 dwellings, with the first two being listed as white; the next
being Shell's dwelling; and the remainder listed as black/mulatto.
- 1870 Census of Warren Co, NC, Six Pound, Macon P.O., hand-numbered p.16,
effective 1 Jun, enum 24 Aug
1. lines 12-18 of Thomas Shell and his wife Nannie (whose marriage record
showed them both to be "col[ored]" with him being son of Thomas Poythress
"col[ored]" and Louisa Perceval "col[ored]") and her daughter of Hubbard
Robinson, "col[ored]" and Flora Robinson, "col[ored]") with their 2
daughters, and a second family in the dwelling -Adam Robersten [sic] and his
wife Matilda and daughter;
2. lines 25-32 of her parents, Hubbard & Flora Roberston [sic] and 6
children. Note: there are additional Roberston families in dwelling 119
between them.
=
- Dwelling 118, family 118:
- Shell, Thomas, 24, male, mulatto, Farm laborer, b.VA, cannot read or
write, male citizen of US of 21 yrs of age and upwards
- __, Nannie, 22, female, black, Keeping house, b.NC, cannot read or write
- __, Victoria, 7, female, black, At Home, b.VA
- __, Harritt, 1, female, black, [ditto At Home], b.NC
- [still Dwelling 118], family 119:
- Roberston [sic], Adam, 32, male, black, Farm laborer, b.NC, cannot read
or write, male citizen of US of 21 yrs of age and upwards
- __, Matilda, 22, female, black, Keeping house, b.NC, cannot read or write
- __, Elizabeth, 1, female, black, At Home, b.NC
=
Dwelling 120, family 121:
- Roberston [by repeat line], Hubbard, 60, male, black, Farm laborer, b.VA,
cannot read or write, male citizen of US of 21 yrs of age and upwards
- __, Flora, 50, female, black, Keeping house, b.VA, cannot read or write
- __, Caroline, 20, female, black, At Home, b.NC, cannot read or write
- __, Paul, 18, male, black, Farm laborer, b.NC, cannot read or write
- Silus, 14, male, black, [dittonFarm laborer], b.NC, cannot read or write
- __, Sarah, 12, female, black, At Home, b.NC, cannot read or write
- __, Sewart [sic], 23, male, black, Farm laborer, b.NC, cannot read or
write, male citizen of US of 21 yrs of age and upwards
- __, Abram, 3, male, black, At Home, b.NC		01/31/2010 8:38:21
[POYTHRESS] Obit for G. Leroy Poythressnancy netterI have found an obituary for George Leroy Poythress 1879 - 1909. He was the son of George Alexander Poythress and grandson of Benjamin Poythress (huxter in Petersburg, VA).
I obtain these from the Chronicling America - Library of Congress Web site.
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G. Leroy Poythress.
LYNCHBURG, VA. March 15, - G. Leroy Poythress, who was so well and favorably known in the city, died this morning at his home, No. 1707 Elm Avenue, the end coming at 12:20 o'clock, after an Illness extending over a period of about a year. He had been confined to his bed but a short time, but it was apparent weeks ago that his death was not far distant.
Mr. Poythress was leader of the Lynchburg city band, and he was regarded as one of the best musicians in the city. For many years his beautiful cornet was heard in churches of the city, for he always responded to calls where his musical talent could be of service. He was the leader of the Y.M.C.A. orcherstra until ill health compelled him to give up his music.
Mr. Poythress was a son of the late Professor George A. Poythress, and he is survived by his mother, wife, several children and a number of sisters.
 
The Times Dispatch, March 16, 1909, pg. 2, (Richmond, VA)
Transcribed by NJNetter March 3, 2010
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BANK HEAD DEAD
LYNCHBURG, VA, March 16 - G. Leroy Poythress president of Lynchburg City Bank is dead after a long illness. He was thirty years old and leaves a widow and an infant.
 
The Washington times, March 16, 1909, pg. 1
Transcribed by NJNetter March 3, 2010
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1910 Census, Lynchburg VA, Poythress, Jamie and her son George G. is living in the household of Sally Phyler.
The first obituary confirms a school report of a cousin who interviewed Marjorie Winifred Cable Kirkman in 1989. The interview was a school project. The interview covered the Poythress branch of the Cable family. Which included Alice M Poythress Cable and George A Poythress. The interview was primarily was about Alice and her death from a tublar pregnancy.
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The Jones Memorial Library now has some of their obituaries indexed on the library's website. There are four Poythress obituaries listed, two for George Alexander (d. 1906) Florence ( his daughter d. 1903) and one for George Leroy (d. 1909). The cost of $10 per obituary is out of my price range at this time. Money is tight.
 
If any one has excess to the library and could obtain the obituaries I would be grateful.
 
Sincerely,
 
NJNetter		03/02/2010 11:02:06
Re: [POYTHRESS] Obit for G. Leroy Poythressnancy netterThank you so much!!
I really did not expect anyone to go through such a expense. I was hoping that someone who had excess to the library, could get them for a nominal fee.
 
Thank you Barbara!!!!

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Barbara Neal wrote:


From: Barbara Neal
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Obit for G. Leroy Poythress
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 11:17 AM


Thanks, Nancy, for the info on these.  I've ordered the obits available at
Jones Memorial Library & will post info from them to the List when I receive
them.
Barbara

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Obit for G. Leroy PoythressBarbara NealThanks, Nancy, for the info on these. I've ordered the obits available at
Jones Memorial Library & will post info from them to the List when I receive
them.
Barbara



03/03/2010 2:17:10
[POYTHRESS] Obit Poythress in Wilson Co, NC d.27 Feb 2010Barbara NealOur sympathy and condolences go out to the family of this man:

Arthur D. "Toggie" Poythress, Sr., 52, Lucama, died 27 Feb 2010.
Arrangements: Shingleton Funeral Home in Wilson, NC
(Notices were published on 4 March & 12 March, in "The News & Observer")

If anyone can clarify for me who his father was, I would greatly appreciate
knowing.
Barbara		03/14/2010 8:50:28
[POYTHRESS] new Family Finder DNA test may help our Poythress-YDNA StudyBarbara NealDear all Poythress-List subscribers,

As Group Administrator of our Poythress-YDNA Study, I've received an
announcement about a new tool that the company FamilyTreeDNA has developed.
For those whose test results are compared to each other on this new test,
they say the results will help identify whether they are near or distant
cousins.

Since many of our Poythress surnamed male participants have DNA readings
close to one another, this new test could give us a better reading of
specifically how closely some of our participants are related, up to being
5th cousins (sharing a common gggg-grandparent).

So this new Family Finder Test could, for example, enlighten us which of us
descend from the same 1700s-era Poythress male(s).

Their email clarified how this test's results could help us, by saying "If
two people share identical segments of DNA then they may share a recent
ancestor. When the Family Finder program finds matching segments, it uses
statistical methods to determine if the segments are likely to be identical
by descent (IBD). If they are determined to be IBD then the Family Finder
program calculates the relationship based on the shared segments’ number and
size. We will tell you whether or match is a cousin, and whether this
cousin is a 1st cousin, 2nd cousin, etc. all the way up to a 5th-distant
cousin. A prediction of a third cousin indicates that you and the match
each share a 2nd great-grandparent."

More information is available (though some of it gets more scientifically
technical) at their extensive FAQ section about the Family Finder test
here: http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/17.aspx

At this initial-rollout stage of this new test, as Group Administrator, I
was allowed to "nominate" only one of our previous participants for this
(rather pricey) new Family Finder Test. I have done that for my brother and
I'll be paying for that test.

When I learn of the test being available to more of our participants, and
the group-rate price at which it will be available, I will notify all in
another email. If any of our Y-DNA Study participants then wish to order
the new test, we should be better able to determine exactly how some of us
Poythress people are related.

Barbara P Neal, as Group Administrator for the Poythress-YDNA Study		03/14/2010 9:22:32
Re: [POYTHRESS] Obit Poythress in Wilson Co, NC d.27 Feb 2010Crystal RoseThis is the son of Joseph Gideon Poythress and Alice Ham of Wilson. Joseph
Gideon is the son of William Harrison Poythress and Mahala Hayes. William is
the son of Joseph Poythress and Mary Jane Garner and Joseph is the son of
James Poythress of Northampton County NC. Thank you so much for sharing
this.

Crystal

On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Our sympathy and condolences go out to the family of this man:
>
> Arthur D. "Toggie" Poythress, Sr., 52, Lucama, died 27 Feb 2010.
> Arrangements: Shingleton Funeral Home in Wilson, NC
> (Notices were published on 4 March & 12 March, in "The News & Observer")
>
> If anyone can clarify for me who his father was, I would greatly appreciate
> knowing.
> Barbara
>
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>		03/14/2010 12:51:09
Re: [POYTHRESS] Obit Poythress in Wilson Co, NC d.27 Feb 2010Barbara NealThanks, Crystal, for placing this fellow in the right Poythress male line
for us.



03/15/2010 6:43:10
[POYTHRESS] Lynchburg, Campbell Co, VA 1900 Census record for Geo. Alex. Poythress familyBarbara NealWith thanks to Nancy Netter, who helped me find this record, below is the
census transcription by Bpn from viewing the page (Note: in columns for
where the person and his/her father and mother were born, I am abbreviating
Virginia as VA, even though the Census-taker spelled it out; and I'm
spelling out Single even though it was abbreviated S.

1900 U.S. Population Census for Campbell County, Virginia, Supv Dist [marked
out was 280] 6; Dist 78; Sheet stamped 17-A, Lynchburg, First part of --
Enumerated 11th of July by DM Dabney
- Withers Street
- House no.802; dw 247; fam 296, lines 23-32:
- Poythress, Geo A, Head, W, M, b.May 1849, age 51, M(arried for) 24 (yrs),
b.VA, VA, VA, Muci(Musician), can read, write & speak English, Rents, Home
- Ellan M, Wife, W, F, b.June 1859, age 40, M(arried for) 24 (yrs), 12 (#
of children she was mother of), 8 (of whom are living), b.Ohio, Ohio, Ohio,
can read, write & speak English
- George L, Son, W, M, b.July 1878, age 21, Single, b.VA, VA, Ohio, Core
Maker Iron Works, 0 (months unemployed in last yr), can read, write & speak
English
- Clara J, Daughter, W, F, Feby 1880, age 20, Single, b.VA, VA, Ohio, can
read, write & speak English
- Harry A, Son, W, M, b.July 1881, age 18, Single, b.VA, VA, Ohio, Core
Maker Iron Works, 0 (months unemployed in last yr), can read, write & speak
English
- Florence C, Daughter, W, F, b.May 1886, age 14, Single, b.VA, VA, Ohio,
At school, can read, write & speak English
- Alice M, Daughter, W, F, b.May 1890, b.VA, VA, Ohio, At school, can read,
write & speak English
- Mary, Daughter, W, F, b.Dec 1892, age 7, Single, b.VA, VA, Ohio, At
school.
- Clyde L, Son, W, M, b.Jany 1895, age 5, Single, b.VA, VA, Ohio
- Corine Adele, Daughter, W, F, b.Mar 1897, age 3, Single, b.VA, VA, Ohio		03/19/2010 6:11:46
[POYTHRESS] Obit notices George Alexander Poythress 1906Barbara NealTranscribed by Bpn below are 3 consecutive days of notices re his death. See
3 related messages posted today containing the 1900 Census record for this
family, and obits of two of George's children in 1903 and 1909.

Lynchburg, VA "News"
Thursday Morning, 9 Aug 1906, p.10, col.5
Death of Prof. Poythress.
Professor George A. Poythress, one of the best known musicians of the
city, died yesterday shortly after 1 o'clock at his home, No. 1718 Church
street, after an illness of only three or four days, his demise coming as a
great shock to his family, who had no idea until a short time before the end
that his malady was of such a serious character.
The deceased was 57 years of age and he is survived by his wife, three
sons and four daughters. They are: Mr. Leroy Poythress, Mrs. R.C. Cable,
Harry, Clara, Mary Clyde and Corinne Poythress, all of whom are residents
of the city.
For a number of years Mr. Poythress was the musical director of the old
Hill City Franklin band, and of the orchestra at the old Academy of Music.
At different times he was organist at the First Baptist church and the First
Presbyterian church.
He was held in high esteem by all who knew him, and his sudden death will
be received with sorrow by his large circle of friends throughout the city.

Lynchburg, VA "News"
[Friday Morning] 10 Aug 1906, p.4, col.4
Funeral Notice.
POYTHRESS-- The funeral services of Mr. Goerge A. Poythress will take
place from the residence this (FRIDAY) afternoon at 4 o'clock. Interment
Presbyterian cemetery. Friends and acquaintances invited to attend.

Lynchburg, VA "News"
[Saturday] 11 Aug 1906, p.8, col.1
Funeral of Prof. Poythress
Lynchburg City Band Played Selections He Had Arranged.
The funeral services of the later Professor George Poythress took place
yesterday afternoon at the residence, 1718 Church street, and were conducted
by Rev. D. G. C. Butts, pastor of Centenary church. A quartette from
Centenary choir composed of Mrs. Pearl Verdery, Miss Sue Rector, Mr. A..
M. Wray and Mr. C. W. Whitmore, sang "Abide With Me" and "Asleep in Jesus,"
at the house, and the Lynchburg City Band rendered with much expression
"Eeventide."[sic] At the grave in the Presbyterian cemetery the quartette
sang "Pace [sic], Perfect Peace" and the band played "In the Sweet Bye and
Bye." Both selections rendered by the band were arranged last Sunday by Mr.
Poythress to be used at the next Sunday concert. There was a large
attendance at the funeral and many floral tributes, which were carried by
friends of the family; one of the handsomest designs was that sent by the
band in token of services rendered to that and previous musical
organizations by the deceased. At the conclusion of the services at the
grave, Mr. Slcak, the leader blew "taps," on the cornet.
The pall-bearers were Messrs. C. H. Lumsden, J.V. Newbauer, Thomas
Percival, L. E. Thomas, M. Adkerson and Frank Dawson.		03/19/2010 6:12:00
[POYTHRESS] Obit Florence Poythress 1903, dtr of George Alexander PoythressBarbara NealThe below obituary was transcribed by Bpn. Note: from the obit and funeral
notice for Florence's father, George Alexander Poythress (published 3 years
later), we learn that her father had at different times been organist at
First Baptist church and at First Presbyterian church, and that her father
was buried at the same cemetery, Presbyterian cemetery in Lynchburg. In
1909 when her brother, G. Leroy Poythress, died, he was also buried at that
cemetery.

See 3 related posts today, containing the 1900 Census record for the family,
and obits of her brother and father.

Lynchburg, VA "News"
[Wednesday] 7 Jan 1903, p.6, col.6
Funeral of Miss Florence Poythress
The funeral services of Miss Florence Cecile Poythress took place at the
Cabell Street Baptist church yesterday afternoon at 3 o'clock. The pastor,
Rev. J. A. Mundy, D. D., being absent, the services were conducted by Rev.
F. F. Bullard, pastor of the Christian church, assisted by Rev. F. T.
McFaden, pastor of First Presbyterian church.
The choir, of which Miss Poythress was a member, softly sang "Abide With
Me" as the sad procession entered the church. Rev. F. T. McFaden read the
lesson from Matthew IX, 18 to 25 verses inclusive, following with a feeling
prayer. The choir then sang Miss Florence's favorite hymn, "Safe in the
Arms of Jesus."
Rev. Mr. Bullard based his remarks upon Jeremiah XV, 9th verse, "Her sun
is gone down while it was yet day." His discourse was appropriate and its
subject was: "The inscrutability of Providence in cutting off so bright,
beautiful and lovable a flower."
While the choir was singing, "Asleep In Jesus," the cortege silently left
the church, wending its way to the Presbyterian cemetery, where the
interment took place. The services at the grave were brief and simple.
The following were the active pall-bearers: Messrs. E. R. Tucker,
Thomas Hurley, Page Webber, John Roberts, M. Desmond and Joe Gorman.
The honorary pall-bearers were: Messrs. John Desmond, Richard McKenna,
Leo Accorsini, and John Tankersley.
The flower-bearers were: Misses Hassie Scott, Ida Scott, Laura Harvey,
and Alice Hawkins.		03/19/2010 6:13:02
[POYTHRESS] Obit notices G Leroy Poythress 1909, son of Geo Alexander PoythressBarbara NealTranscribed by Bpn below are 3 notices on 2 consecutive days. Notes: It is
clear that the 2nd of the below articles was the one picked up by Richmond,
VA's "The Times Dispatch" March 16 edition, which was transcribed for our
list on 3 March 2010 by Nancy Netter. This man, as Nancy had noted, was son
of George Alexander Poythress and brother of Florence Poythress, both of
whom are also buried at Presbyterian cemetery in Lynchburg. Since most of
the indications of his address give the street number on Elm Av as "1707"
presumably the one mention of it being "1797" was a typo. "I.O.O.F." =
Independent Order of Odd Fellows. Garland-Rodes Camp C.V. = Garland-Rodes
Camp Confederate Veterans.

See 3 related posts today, containing the 1900 Census record for the family,
and obits of his sister and father.


Lynchburg, VA "News"
Tuesday Morning 16 Mar 1909, p.4, col.5
Funeral Notice.
POYTHRESS--Funeral services of Mr. G. Leroy Poythress will take place
from the residence, No. 1707 Elm ave., this (Tuesday) afternoon at 3
o'clock. Interment at Presbyterian cemetery. Friends and acquaintances
invited to attend.

Lynchburg, VA "News"
Tuesday [Morning?] 16 Mar 1909, p.6, col.2
Death of Leroy Poythress
Mr. G. Leroy Poythress, who was so well and favorably known in the city,
died yesterday morning at his home, No. 1797 [sic] Elm avenue, the end
coming at 2:20 o'clock after an Illness extending over a period of about a
year. He had been confined to his bed but a short time, but it was apparent
weeks ago that his death could not be far distant.
The deceased was leader of the Lynchburg City Band, and he was regarded
as one of the best musicians of his kind in the city. For many years his
beautiful cornet was heard in churches of the city, for he always responded
to calls where his musical talent could be of service. He was the leader of
the Y. M. C. A. Orchestra until ill health compelled him to give up his
music.
Mr. Poythress' having been in ill health for some months had necessitated
the severing of his connection with several musical organizations of the
city. He was a member of Odd Fellows Lodge No. 48, and of the Elks.
Mr. Poythress is survived by his wife, who was Miss Janie Taylor, of this
city, and infant son; by his mother, Mrs. M. E. Poythress, and the
following sisters and brothers: Mrs. C. M. Boley, of Portsmouth, Va.; Mrs.
R. W. Cable, of Benaja, N. C.; Misses Mary and Corinne Poythress; Messrs.
Clyde Poythress, of this city, and Harry Poythress of Newport News. He was
a nephew of Mrs. M. E. Roberts and Mrs. C. W. Hicks, of this city.
The funeral services will take place from the residence, No. 1707 Elm
avenue, this afternoon at 3 o'clock.

Lynchburg, VA "News"
[Wednesday] 17 Mar 1909, p.10, col.3
Funeral of Leroy Poythress
The funeral services of G. Leroy Poythress took place yesterday afternoon
at 3 o'clock at the residence, 1707 Elm avenue, a large number of friends
being present. The services were conducted by Rev. J. L. Nichols, of the
Methodist Protestant church, assisted by Rev. W. A. Smart, pastor of Trinity
Methodist church. The interment was in the Presbyterian Cemetery.
The hymns "Nearer, My God to Thee," and "Softly Now the Light of Day"
were sung at the house by Messrs. D. T. Walker, Walter Campbell, Alonzo M.
Wray and John L. Wray, and as the casket was being placed in the hearse, the
Lynchburg City Band, of which deceased had been leader, played softly "Flee
as a Bird." James River lodge No. 48, I. O. O. F. attended in a body and
there was a delegation from Lynchburg lodge of Elks, in both of which lodges
Mr. Poythress had been a member. There was also a delegation from
Garland-Rodes Camp C. V., as a tribute to the memory of their bugler, Mr.
Poythress having sounded "taps" at the funerals of many of the veterans who
have passed away.
At the cemetery the Odd Fellows' funeral services were read by McD.
Landrum, N. G., and C. W. Whitemore, acting chaplain, the band played a hymn
and "taps" was sounded by Louis Ferrari. The grave was covered with floral
wreaths and designs which were carried by Mrs. R. B. Boley, Mrs. J. W.
Maher, Mrs. C. P. Moseley, Misses Eugenia Roethlein and Virginia
Underhill.
The pall-bearers were Messrs. A. W. Lucado and George W. Wragg, of the
Elks; Messrs. C. S. Frye and F. G. Scott, of the Odd Fellows, and Messrs.
T. C. Percival and W. E. Clements, of the Lynchburg City Band.		03/19/2010 6:13:29
[POYTHRESS] Lynchburg Burial Recordsnancy netterI found this site the other day and found several burial records for my branch of the Poythress. I thought others may find it helpful for other allied family members.
 
http://www.gravegarden.org/diuguid/index.php
 
Welcome to the Diuguid Digital Archive! This site contains the complete burial records of the Diuguid Funeral Home of Lynchburg, Virginia, from 1820 to 1950. The collection contains almost 54,000 individual entries, all fully searchable by name and/or date. Most people who died in the Lynchburg area before 1920 were buried by Diuguid and will be found in these records.
This site is sponsored by the Southern Memorial Association for the Old City Cemetery of Lynchburg, Virginia. It was made possible by generous funding from the Easley Foundation, Mrs. Eleanor J. Taylor, and the Virginia Foundation for the Humanities.
EASLEY FOUNDATION
Virginia Foundation for the Humanities		03/23/2010 12:03:50
Re: [POYTHRESS] Lynchburg Burial RecordsBarbara NealThanks for this, Nancy.



03/24/2010 2:33:56
[POYTHRESS] Benjamin Poythress, Obituary Petersburg VAnancy netterI found this obituary last week and I did not bookmark the URL, so I will keep looking for it.
 
However someone was so kind as to post it and here it is:
 
Daily index, Petersburg, Virginia, July 27, 1865, image 2.
 
Died at his residence, in this city on the 26th instant, at 3 o'clock p.m. Benjamin Poythress in the 57th year of his age. His funeral will take place from Washington St. Methodist Church, this Thursday afternoon at 41/2 o'clock p.m. Friends and acquaintances are respectfully requested to attend.
 
 
This obituary leads me to ask a question here. Has anyone requested death records for this time period? Have you any success?
In addition, the Library of Virginia loans out microfilm to other libraries. Has anyone done this?
 
Thank you,
 
Nancy Netter		03/25/2010 1:34:55
Re: [POYTHRESS] Benjamin Poythress, Obituary Petersburg VAnancy netterThank you for you input. I will at least see if I can make the request. The worst they can say it "No".
 
Nancy Netter

--- On Thu, 3/25/10, Lou Poole wrote:


From: Lou Poole
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Benjamin Poythress, Obituary Petersburg VA
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 11:21 AM


Try this site for Virginia death records:

http://www.death-records.net/virginia/death-records.htm

Now about Library of Virginia loans of microfilms...  Within the last
year I attempted to do this through our Dallas (TX) library.  What I
learned - as related by a staff member at our Dallas library - was the
following.  LOV has a master copy of all microfilms and one or more
"patron usage" copies.  They will not loan their master copy (I don't
blame them), and ONLY if they have more than one "patron" copy will
they loan the extra copy.  I.e., they keep the master copy and one
copy for their own library usage; and only if they have a second copy
will they loan it.  I was led to believe that they had very few of the
latter, loan-able, copies, and that the one I wanted was not
available.  Naturally, they would much prefer that requesting
libraries BUY a copy from the LOV.

In short, my limited foray into this area would not be cause to have
high expectations....

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nancy netter
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:35 AM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Benjamin Poythress, Obituary Petersburg VA

I found this obituary last week and I did not bookmark the URL, so I
will keep looking for it.
 
However someone was so kind as to post it and here it is:
 
Daily index, Petersburg, Virginia, July 27, 1865, image 2.
 
Died at his residence, in this city on the 26th instant, at 3 o'clock
p.m. Benjamin Poythress in the 57th year of his age. His funeral will
take place from Washington St. Methodist Church, this Thursday
afternoon at 41/2 o'clock p.m. Friends and acquaintances are
respectfully requested to attend.
 
 
This obituary leads me to ask a question here. Has anyone requested
death records for this time period? Have you any success?
In addition, the Library of Virginia loans out microfilm to other
libraries. Has anyone done this?
 
Thank you,
 
Nancy Netter
 


     

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Benjamin Poythress, Obituary Petersburg VALou PooleTry this site for Virginia death records:

http://www.death-records.net/virginia/death-records.htm

Now about Library of Virginia loans of microfilms... Within the last
year I attempted to do this through our Dallas (TX) library. What I
learned - as related by a staff member at our Dallas library - was the
following. LOV has a master copy of all microfilms and one or more
"patron usage" copies. They will not loan their master copy (I don't
blame them), and ONLY if they have more than one "patron" copy will
they loan the extra copy. I.e., they keep the master copy and one
copy for their own library usage; and only if they have a second copy
will they loan it. I was led to believe that they had very few of the
latter, loan-able, copies, and that the one I wanted was not
available. Naturally, they would much prefer that requesting
libraries BUY a copy from the LOV.

In short, my limited foray into this area would not be cause to have
high expectations....

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nancy netter
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:35 AM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Benjamin Poythress, Obituary Petersburg VA

I found this obituary last week and I did not bookmark the URL, so I
will keep looking for it.
 
However someone was so kind as to post it and here it is:
 
Daily index, Petersburg, Virginia, July 27, 1865, image 2.
 
Died at his residence, in this city on the 26th instant, at 3 o'clock
p.m. Benjamin Poythress in the 57th year of his age. His funeral will
take place from Washington St. Methodist Church, this Thursday
afternoon at 41/2 o'clock p.m. Friends and acquaintances are
respectfully requested to attend.
 
 
This obituary leads me to ask a question here. Has anyone requested
death records for this time period? Have you any success?
In addition, the Library of Virginia loans out microfilm to other
libraries. Has anyone done this?
 
Thank you,
 
Nancy Netter
 




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quotes in the subject and the body of the message		03/25/2010 4:21:20
Re: [POYTHRESS] Benjamin Poythress, Obituary Petersburg VABarbara NealIf the Library of VA won't lend the film wanted, and if you are near to one
of the many, many LDS Family History Centers, you can go there, request, &
then view at their Center the following film: the Family History Library
lists for "Virginia - Vital Records" many, many films of Death records,
including:
FHL US/CAN Film 2048594 which one film includes death registers for (1)
Portsmouth City 1884-1896; (2) Radford City 1891-1896; and (3) Petersburg
City 1853-1896 (This last item on that film may well have Benjamin's July
1865 death)

There are 2 easy ways to locate the LDS Family History Centers:

(1) go to their main library's website, which is
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp
and at that opening screen, click on the link in the middle of the page to
"Family History Centers" and in the resulting screen, type in your
location. It will then show you all locations there, complete with days &
hours they're open.

>From that main page of the website, you can also search their entire catalog
online.

(2) one can look in the white pages of the local phone book, under "Church
of Jesus Christ" and if they have a Family History Center, be sure to check
days & hours it is open.

Good luck,
Barbara		03/25/2010 10:46:16
Re: [POYTHRESS] Benjamin Poythress, Obituary Petersburg VABarbara NealYears ago (1992) when my husband and I visited Blandford Cemetery in
Petersburg, VA, and checked all the various plots of interest after I was
allowed in their then-office to see some records, I made the following notes
about Benjamin's burial and others in the lot he owned. The lady in the
office cautioned me that the "date of death" could have actually been date
of burial, on the records.

Sexton's interment records list 4 Poythress burials in the following plot
numbers in
Ward 2, Square 2, Section 44, Old ground:

#10 John W Poythress, date of death Aug. 28, 1852
#11 Benjamin Poythress, date of death March 16, 1859
#12 Benjamin Poythress, date of death July 27, 1865
#13 Susan M Poythress, date of death Nov 18, 1877

We found NO gravemarkers whatsoever in the Square, and no markings to even
mark the edges of the Square.		03/25/2010 11:07:51
[POYTHRESS] Tucker-Coleman PapersJohn M. PoythressBelow is described an archival holding which likely contains

several complete legal records that would be of great interest

to us. According to the web site (W&M "holdings") the

material is available to the public. Since most of the papers

are fragile all copying is done by staff. Cost for copies is zero

for the first 25, $1 each for next 25 or so, and the scale

escalates from there to out of sight.



The material has not been microfilmed.



Do we have a member close enough to Williamsburg to go

by periodically and accumulate it 25 pages at a crack.....or

does one of us have another way to skin this cat?



Maynard







Swem Library, William & Mary College, Williamsburg, VA



Special Collections Research Center...........aka "SCRC"

Earl Gregg Swem Library

College of William & Mary

P. O. Box 8794

Williamsburg, VA 23187-8794

Phone 757-221-3090



Tucker-Coleman Papers (primarily of interest to us are papers

of St. George Tucker (1752-1827) m. Frances Bland Randolph).

The connection of Poythress family to that of St. George Tucker

is likely through the marriage of Tabitha Poythress (RBB285)

1725-1805 to Henry Randolph. St. George Tucker immigrated

from his birthplace in Bermuda to Virginia, taught law at W&M,

eventually appointed Federal Circuit Judge and played a leading

role in the governmental affairs of Virginia both as a colony and

then a state.



Papers (loose) of interest to us:



Box 67, Amelia County Court Records



Poythress & Cryer v. Thomas, etc.

Poythress v. Greenhill & Dudley

Eppes v. Poythress



Box 68, Chesterfield County Records



Poythress v. Cocke



Box 69



Poythress v. Daniel

Meredith v. Poythress



Box 73 (Court Unknown)



Woodlief v. Boyd & Poythress





Box 74 (Misc. Legal Material)



Will of William Poythress

Land Grant to John Poythress by

Gov. Francis Nicholson (copy)





Some names referenced: Bland, Eppes, Claiborne,

Green, Randolph, Blair, Bolling, Poythress		03/30/2010 8:04:15
Re: [POYTHRESS] Tucker-Coleman PapersAlbert TimsFolks,

The link to collection at Swem is:

http://scrc.swem.wm.edu/index.php?p=collections/controlcard&id=7010&q=Tucker-Coleman


On Mar 30, 2010, at 1:04 PM, John M. Poythress wrote:

> Below is described an archival holding which likely contains
>
> several complete legal records that would be of great interest
>
> to us. According to the web site (W&M "holdings") the
>
> material is available to the public. Since most of the papers
>
> are fragile all copying is done by staff. Cost for copies is zero
>
> for the first 25, $1 each for next 25 or so, and the scale
>
> escalates from there to out of sight.
>
>
>
> The material has not been microfilmed.
>
>
>
> Do we have a member close enough to Williamsburg to go
>
> by periodically and accumulate it 25 pages at a crack.....or
>
> does one of us have another way to skin this cat?
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Swem Library, William & Mary College, Williamsburg, VA
>
>
>
> Special Collections Research Center...........aka "SCRC"
>
> Earl Gregg Swem Library
>
> College of William & Mary
>
> P. O. Box 8794
>
> Williamsburg, VA 23187-8794
>
> Phone 757-221-3090
>
>
>
> Tucker-Coleman Papers (primarily of interest to us are papers
>
> of St. George Tucker (1752-1827) m. Frances Bland Randolph).
>
> The connection of Poythress family to that of St. George Tucker
>
> is likely through the marriage of Tabitha Poythress (RBB285)
>
> 1725-1805 to Henry Randolph. St. George Tucker immigrated
>
> from his birthplace in Bermuda to Virginia, taught law at W&M,
>
> eventually appointed Federal Circuit Judge and played a leading
>
> role in the governmental affairs of Virginia both as a colony and
>
> then a state.
>
>
>
> Papers (loose) of interest to us:
>
>
>
> Box 67, Amelia County Court Records
>
>
>
> Poythress & Cryer v. Thomas, etc.
>
> Poythress v. Greenhill & Dudley
>
> Eppes v. Poythress
>
>
>
> Box 68, Chesterfield County Records
>
>
>
> Poythress v. Cocke
>
>
>
> Box 69
>
>
>
> Poythress v. Daniel
>
> Meredith v. Poythress
>
>
>
> Box 73 (Court Unknown)
>
>
>
> Woodlief v. Boyd & Poythress
>
>
>
>
>
> Box 74 (Misc. Legal Material)
>
>
>
> Will of William Poythress
>
> Land Grant to John Poythress by
>
> Gov. Francis Nicholson (copy)
>
>
>
>
>
> Some names referenced: Bland, Eppes, Claiborne,
>
> Green, Randolph, Blair, Bolling, Poythress
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and
> the body of the message		04/07/2010 4:43:21
[POYTHRESS] Petersburg - a Poythress florist seen by a friendBarbara NealA friend alerted me that in the Chataigne's Petersburg Directory of 1882-83,
which he had seen via Ancestry.com at a library recently, he saw a Poythress
listed as a Florist. I don't have access to ancestry, and I don't know
whether what he saw was in an advertisement in that old directory, or in the
address listings of it. He didn't write down either the address or the
Poythress person's name from whatever he saw, but maybe someone having
access to Ancestry can further enlighten us?

Barbara		04/07/2010 11:10:32
[POYTHRESS] William Poythress Florist Petersburg. VAJim RichardsonWilliam D. Poythress - Florist - 239 Byrne
Found in "1882-1889 -Petersburg, Virginia" US City Directories
Name appears six times in collection - same information
Source: Ancestry.com

Source: 1900 Virginia Census
William Poythress, Petersburg Ward 3, Petersburg City, VA
Birth - Jul 1835
Birth Place - VA
White - Male
Head of Household
Father born, VA
Mother born VA
Spouse - Louisa
Marriage year 1856
years married 44		04/08/2010 2:16:55
Re: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress Florist Petersburg. VASandyGiven a birth year of 1835, and based upon those showing up in
Ancestry's index for 1850 Virginia via a search of Poy*s, we find:

1850>>VA>>Mecklenburg Co>> Regt 98;
pg 62A (stamped); enumerated 25 Sept 1850
(ancestry img 27 of 91)
line 2
#217/217 (all shown b VA)
James POYTHRESS, 45, carpenter
Catherine ", 45;
Joshua ", 21, carpenter;
Nathan ", 19, laborer;
William ", 16, laborer; <-- [b ca 1834]
Catherine ", 13;
Rebecca ", 11;
Penelope ", 9;
Algernon ", 6;
Virinda(?) ", (fem), 4;

next door:
line 12
#218/218 (all shown b VA)
Thomas POYTHRESS, 35, laborer, val 144;
Lucy " , 25;
William ", 5;
Frances " , (fem) 3;
-------------

A search of "Por*s" for the 1850 VA turns up this household in
Hampshire Co, which may be a "Poythress" in which there's a slightly
older William, b ca 1838....

1850>>VA>>Hampshire Co, District No 24;
pg 287A (stamped); enumerated 13 Nov 1850;
(ancestry img 297 of 301)
line 1
#2003/2003
John PORTORNUSS(?), 60; farmer; val 1200, b PA(?or GA?);
Ruth ", 45, b VA;
John ", 20, laborer; b VA;
Susan " , 17; b VA;
Jacob ", 15, b VA;
William " , 12, b VA; <-- so b ca 1838;
Philip ", 8, b VA;
Isabella ", 2, b VA;

in the next household:
line 9
#2004/2004
Jacob CRITTON, 48; farmer, val 1500; b VA;
Elizabeth ", 50, b VA;
Washington PORTRNESS, 23, b VA;
Sarah J. ", 24; b Md.;
Winford A. BOXWELL, (fem) 21, b VA.
------------------------

-Sandy


On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Jim Richardson
wrote:
> William D. Poythress - Florist -  239 Byrne
> Found in "1882-1889 -Petersburg, Virginia" US City Directories
> Name appears six times in collection - same information
> Source: Ancestry.com
>
> Source: 1900 Virginia Census
> William Poythress, Petersburg Ward 3, Petersburg City, VA
> Birth - Jul 1835
> Birth Place - VA
> White - Male
> Head of Household
> Father born, VA
> Mother born VA
> Spouse - Louisa
> Marriage year 1856
> years married 44
>
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>		04/08/2010 4:53:15
Re: [POYTHRESS] Tucker-Coleman PapersSandyMaynard,

I'm here and reading. 🙂

I think at least some of these lawsuits may relate to the Charles
Poythress of Dinwiddie, who also owned property in Granville Co, NC,
and who died abt 1761. His executors were William Cryer/Cryor and
Peter Woodlief (who d. before 6 Apr 1772, when William Cryer continued
on as executor.
I don't know who this elder Peter Woodlief's wife (or wives) were, but
he was the son of a John Woodlief. Among this Peter's sons was yet
another Peter (Maj. Peter Woodlief, b ca 1761-d 20 Aug 1816) who md
(1st) Ann Poythress (nee: Bland) Morrison; and (2nd) Rebecca (nee:
Cocke) Ruffin.

Michael Tutor posted a long message to this list on 18 Dec 2005
concerning this Charles Poythress, who apparently md Elizabeth
Crawford (d/o Ralph Crawford). Michael's message is in the list's Dec
2005 archives:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POYTHRESS/

-Sandy




On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:04 PM, John M. Poythress
wrote:
>
>
> Box 67, Amelia County Court Records
>
>
>
> Poythress & Cryer v. Thomas, etc.
>
> Poythress v. Greenhill & Dudley
>
> Eppes v. Poythress
>
>
>
> Box 68, Chesterfield County Records
>
>
>
> Poythress v. Cocke
>
>
>
> Box 69
>
>
>
> Poythress v. Daniel
>
> Meredith v. Poythress
>
>
>
> Box 73 (Court Unknown)
>
>
>
> Woodlief v. Boyd & Poythress
>
>
>
>
>
> Box 74 (Misc. Legal Material)
>
>
>
> Will of William Poythress
>
> Land Grant to John Poythress by
>
> Gov. Francis Nicholson (copy)
>
>
>
>
>
> Some names referenced: Bland, Eppes, Claiborne,
>
> Green, Randolph, Blair, Bolling, Poythress
>
>
>
>		04/08/2010 5:17:20
Re: [POYTHRESS] William Poythress Florist Petersburg. VABarbara NealThanks. I can assure you that the 16-yr old William listed as one of the 8
children in the 1850 Census in the family of James Poythress (carpenter) &
wife Catherine & in Mecklenburg Co, VA, was not the florist. That entire
family moved in 1853 to Sumter County, Alabama; the son named William Huel
Poythress died in 1854 in Sumter Co, AL, presumably of the same thing
(yellow fever?) that also killed his older brother Joshua Lewis Poythress
and Joshua's baby boy.

For the florist in 1882-83, listed in the Petersburg Directory as William D
Poythress, it seems we can conclude he was William Demoble Poythress, who
lived 11 Jul 1834 to 29 Jan 1919, in Petersburg. Nice to finally be able to
figure out what this "most widely known" fellow did for a living, since it
was not listed in his obituary from the Petersburg "Daily Index Appeal" on
31 January 1919, as transcribed by Craig Scott in his email to Poythress
List on 25 Mar 1999. It read as follows:

Funeral of W. D. Poythress
The funeral services of William Demoble Poyhress (sic), who died early
yesterday morning at his home, 415 Mistletoe street will be held this
morning at 11 o'clock from the grave at Blandford Cemetery.
Mr. Poythress was one of the oldest and most widely known citizens of
Petersburg, as he was born and spent all of his life here. He was the
great-great grandson of Col. William Posthress, a descendant of the first
settlers of Petersburg.
Mr. Poythress is survived by an adopted daughter, Miss Annie I Taylor and
one adopted sister, Miss Lena V. Hetney, both of this city.

Further info I had about Wm Demoble Poythress:
- His mother was listed under "parentage" in Blandford Cemetery's
handwritten "Record of Interments, 1905-1924, p.140" as read by Carol
Morrison in Sep 1997, her name seemed to be Eliz Dewal? (Deval / Devat /
Dewat?), and the mother's name was read by Craig Scott in Mar 1999 as Eliz.
Dewat.
- There is some discrepancy in his date of birth between his gravemarker,
his interment record, and census entries. In Blandford's Record of
Interments, 1905-1924, page 140, he was noted as age (when died on 29 Jan)
83-6-18; this would yield a birthdate of 11 Jul 1835. The interment record
clarified that he was born in the "City". His 1910 Census record gave his
age then as 73, which would give a birth year of 1836.		04/08/2010 9:05:20
[POYTHRESS] Update from FamilyTreeDNA re a new option available to our Poythress projectBarbara NealI'm passing the below info on, just as I received it, as the Poythress Y-DNA
Group Administrator. I am really incapable of answering questions on this,
as it is still "Greek" to me, so I;d suggest that if you want to know more
after you read this, check out their link for more FAQs, and let me know if
you want to proceed with the possibility mentioned at the bottom of the
message.

Barbara
= = =
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kit.*		04/14/2010 11:09:58
[POYTHRESS] Roll CallAlbert TimsPoythress Researchers,

It has been quite some time since we did our last roll call request
for our list subscribers to share their current research interests.

We have more than 60 subscribers to the list, so it is quite possible
that other list subscribers may have information relevant to your
interests; some may even share your interests.

If you're so inclined, it would be very helpful if you'd post (or re-
post) a message describing your Poythress connections and your
current research interests.

In addition, I would like to do more with the photo and original
document archives on our website. Please let me know if you have old
photographs or family artifacts you'd be willing to share on the website

Al Tims		04/25/2010 4:34:37
[POYTHRESS] Roll CallDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionHello All,

I'm Debbie Poythress-Concepcion and I'm researching my direct line. I have reached a brick wall with my g-g-grandfather;

William E. Poythress born July 11, 1833 died December 23, 1907 in Screven Co, GA.

William E. married Martha J. Usher on December 07, 1857 in Screven Co, GA.



I am looking for his parents and siblings. I'm hoping to connect with the early Poythress' in VA.



My half-brother, John Bryant Poythress, was tested for the Poythress DNA project and matched with the Poythress' in FL, presumably the James Poythress' line. Not sure how we connect with them, yet.





Debbie



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Re: [POYTHRESS] Roll Call - BpnBarbara NealI am a Poythress granddaughter of Nathan Hamet Poythress; he was born in
1878 in Sumter Co, AL and died in 1963 in Birmingham, AL

My g-grandfather (his dad) was Algernon Edward Poythress; he was youngest
son, born in 1844 in Mecklenburg Co, VA; died 1918 (in worldwide flu
pandemic) in Meridian, Lauderdale Co, MS.

My gg-grandfather: James Edward Poythress, b.1803 in Mecklenburg Co, VA;
in 1853 he and his wife & all 8 children (eldest son of whom was married)
and one daughter-in-law moved in a wagon train to Sumter Co, AL; JEP died
there 1863. [JEP's eldest son, his then-only grandson & his 3rd son all
died of likely yellow fever in 1854; 2nd son died of Catarrh (flu) and
pneumonia at CSA General Hospital, Charlottesville, VA 1862 while serving in
the war.]

My focus is on all Poythress people, trying to determine how to correctly
connect to one another all the various descendants from first Poythress
immigrant to Virginia, Francis Poythress (in VA by Feb 1632/1633 from
England).		04/26/2010 2:45:28
Re: [POYTHRESS] Roll CallAlbert TimsPoythress Researchers,

I am the grandson of Grace (nee Poythress) McCraw Smith, b. November
30, 1898 d. March 1984 Age 86

Miss Grace was the 2nd of 9 children of James Speed Poythress & Carrie
Price Shephard of Meridian Mississippi. Judy Speed has already posted
this line back as far as we can document -- to Lewis Poythress of
Virginia.

Like all of my cousins, I'm eager to connect Lewis Poythress of
Mecklenberg Co., VA to his parents.

If you search our message archives you'll find that we started
actively exchanging messages back in 1995 -- before we were affiliated
with Rootsweb. By the way, we lost almost everything prior to 1997
due to conversion to a different list system, unfortunately. The
list archive has grown to more than 6,500 fully searchable messages
and a collection of original research documents and studies on our
affiliated website.

My broader interests are to understand more about what brought Francis
Poythress to Virginia in 1632/33, his English origins, the events that
launched this fascinating family into substantial prominence during
the early colonial period, and the movement of families into the
Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, Alabama and Mississippi.

My interests greatly exceed my available time and my rudimentary skill
as a genealogical researcher. Fortunately, many of you are superb
researchers and have continued the painstaking work of piecing
together what in 20 years or so will be 400 years of family history in
North America.

Al Tims




On Apr 25, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Albert Tims wrote:

> Poythress Researchers,
>
> It has been quite some time since we did our last roll call request
> for our list subscribers to share their current research interests.
>
> We have more than 60 subscribers to the list, so it is quite possible
> that other list subscribers may have information relevant to your
> interests; some may even share your interests.
>
> If you're so inclined, it would be very helpful if you'd post (or re-
> post) a message describing your Poythress connections and your
> current research interests.
>
> In addition, I would like to do more with the photo and original
> document archives on our website. Please let me know if you have old
> photographs or family artifacts you'd be willing to share on the
> website
>
> Al Tims
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POYTHRESS-request@rootsweb.com
> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and
> the body of the message		04/26/2010 5:15:50
Re: [POYTHRESS] Roll Call - BpnJudy scruggsI AM THE DAUGHTER OF MARGARET POYTHRESS SPEED CLANCY, BORN IN MERIDIAN, MS. JAN. 27, 1915
 
I AM THE GRANDDAUGHTER OF JAMES DAVID POYTHRESS BORN NOV.1,1869 IN SUMTER COUNTY, AL.
 
HIS FATHER, MY G.GRANDFATHER WAS JAMES SPEED POYTHRESS BORN SEPT.24,1829.
 
HIS FATHER WAS DAVID E. POYTHRESS BORN JAN.26,1800 IN MECKLENBURG COUNTY, VA.

HIS FATHER WAS LEWIS POYTHRESS BORN IN VA. BETWEEN 1760-1770.

--- On Mon, 4/26/10, Barbara Neal wrote:


From: Barbara Neal
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Roll Call - Bpn
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 10:45 AM


I am a Poythress granddaughter of Nathan Hamet Poythress; he was born in
1878 in Sumter Co, AL and died in 1963 in Birmingham, AL

My g-grandfather (his dad) was Algernon Edward Poythress; he was youngest
son, born in 1844 in Mecklenburg Co, VA; died 1918 (in worldwide flu
pandemic) in Meridian, Lauderdale Co, MS.

My gg-grandfather:  James Edward Poythress, b.1803 in Mecklenburg Co, VA;
in 1853 he and his wife & all 8 children (eldest son of whom was married)
and one daughter-in-law moved in a wagon train to Sumter Co, AL;  JEP died
there 1863.  [JEP's eldest son, his then-only grandson & his 3rd son all
died of likely yellow fever in 1854;  2nd son died of Catarrh (flu) and
pneumonia at CSA General Hospital, Charlottesville, VA 1862 while serving in
the war.]

My focus is on all Poythress people, trying to determine how to correctly
connect to one another all the various descendants from first Poythress
immigrant to Virginia, Francis Poythress (in VA by Feb 1632/1633 from
England).

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Roll Call - PJAPatI am the great great grand-daughter of William & Julia Poythress of Greensville Co, VA through their daughter Martha J Poythress (age 22)who married Edward (O')Neal (age 31) in Emporia Va in March 1880. Only Julia is listed as Martha's parent on the marriage certificate as William is deceased.

In the 1850 Greensville Co VA Census. William & Julia appear in household 181 as ages 23 & 18 respectively with no children.

In the 1860 Census William Poythress is listed in Greensville Co as household 309:



Potis, William, age 33, male, saw milling, $75 personal est., born VA

" , Julia, age 29, female, born NC

" , James, age 8, male, born VA

" , Joseph, age 7, male, born VA

" , Thomas, age 5, male, born VA

" , Jane, age 4, female, born VA

" , Benjamin, age 1, male, born VA

Brewer, Martha, age 50, female, born NC


household 312:

Poythress, Lewis Y., age 40, male, overseer, $50 personal est., born VA

" , Mary C., age 50. female, born VA

Chiles, Nancy A., age 20, female, born VA

" , Elizabeth, age 15, female, born VA


Because both my William Poythress and the Lewis Y. Poythress, son of Lewis Poythress lived in Greensville Co, VA in 1860, I thought that there was some kinship but have no proof of anykinship; it is believed that he died in the Civil War.

The 1870 census shows a Julia Portrass age 40 as head of household with Martha Burr (or Bass) age 65 and Martha A age 6 living with her.

Some say Julia Poythress married a John Bass sometime after the death of William. We think that Martha Brewer listed in the 1850 census with Wm & Julia is Julia's mother.

William and Julia's daughter, Martha J. Poythress O'Neal appears in the 1880 Greensville Co Census with her husband as noted below:


Hicksford District, Greensville County, Virginia

Page 35, Enumeration District No. 28

Household 337 has following living in it



Edward Neal W M 32 Farm laborer

Jane Neal W F 24 wife Keeping house

Blanche Neal W F 7 daughter


Greensville Co Cemetery records show that Martha Poythress O'Neal's tombstone gives the following information:
Martha Jane O'Neal

2/14/1857 - 3/26/1931

I have been told that my paternal grandfather paid for the cemtery lot in Emporia where Martha and some of her relatives are buried.

I would like to find something that establishes the relationship of William Poythress age 33 in the 1860 Census to the earlier Poythresses of Virginia.
I am also interested in locating information on his wife Julia's family, possibly Francis Brewer and wife Martha.

Pat		04/26/2010 11:57:16
Re: [POYTHRESS] Roll CallLou PooleOK, I'm envious of those of you who know that you are a Poythress
descendant, because I'm somewhere between a theoretical descendant and
a "wanna-be," with no way to prove the theory definitively.

I am (for sure) a descendant of John Wall, Jr. (ca. 1705 - bef. 1766)
of Brunswick County, VA - through a long series of maternal branches.
There is a considerable body of circumstantial evidence that indicates
John Wall married an Ann Poythress ca. 1740, probably in Brunswick
County. Ann's parents are not positively known, but again
circumstantial evidence suggests that she was probably the daughter of
Joshua Poythress (d. 1739 in Prince George Co.), who was the son of
John Poythress (d. ca. 1720) and Christian Peebles. John was son of
Francis the emigrant.

Accordingly, my Poythress interests are focused on the early family's
history, and more specifically, the first four generations.

So, how about all those other Poythress daughters who have been
"lost"? Having been a subscriber to this list almost from the
beginning, I'm a bit surprised at how few people are trying to figure
out who all those daughters married.

Lou Poole, Richardson, TX		04/27/2010 1:33:24
[POYTHRESS] Re Poythress Roll CallHi, List.

I second Lou Poole's email. I believe I am descended from one of "those Poythress daughters", one of the several Marys, whose fathers were named Wiiliam. I am, unfortunately, at a dead end on what appears to be a Westmoreland County, Virginia connection between the Poythress and Crabb families. Circa 1770, Benedict Crabb married Mary P. in Westmoreland County. Their children were: Hannah C., William Poythress, Benedict Middleton, Mary Poythress, and Jane. Of these children, Benedict Middleton Crabb had a son named William Poythress Crabb.

The name is, as noted by other Poythress researchers, not common. It is highly likely that the Mary P. noted above was a Mary Poythress. Given that children and grandchildren carried the Poythress name as middle names, it is likely that it was a family name. However, I can not locate a marriage record for Benedict Crabb and Mary P. in any of the Northern Neck counties, and there do not appear to have been any Poythress family members living in Westmoreland County between 1770 and 1840. Mary P. would likely have been born about 1745 to 1750.

The staff at te Northern Neck Historical Society believe that there were Poythresses in Westmoreland County, but have been unable to provide any evidence to substantiate that belief. I've done a thorough, though not exhaustive, search of wills, deeds and orders in Westmoreland County, but suspect I will have to search harder. I have checked as many alternate spellings as I could devise, in part based on the archives for the Poythress mailing list. I need to check Northumberland records for numerous other ancestors, but I understand their records are in a rather sad state of disarray. Any suggestions that you might have for further research into a possible Poythress connection would be most sincerely appreciated.



Nancy Slater Thompson

Huntingtown, MD		04/27/2010 3:21:49
Re: [POYTHRESS] Roll CallHello Everyone,

I am Elaine Poythress Criddle daughter of David F. Poythress born in Meridian Mississippi. My father is the youngest child of Pearl Beasley & Carl Hutton Poythress born in March 26, 1884 in Sumter Alabama. My great grandfather was James Speed Poythress born September 24, 1829 in Virginia and moved to Sumter Alabama in the 1860's. My GG Grandfather was David Poythress born about 1806 in Mecklenburg, Virginia and moved to Warrenton, North Carolina after 1850. It is assumed (were living very close together and names were on several documents together) that Lewis Poythress born about 1771 of Mecklenburg Virginia is the father of David Poythress. (If someone has definite proof I would love to have it) We know that Lewis is the son of a Thomas Poythess born about 1740 in possibly Dinwiddle Virginia and then moved to Georgia. As my extended cousins have stated in other Roll Call post I am looking for the father of this Thomas Poythress so we can connect all the way to the Francis Poythress that came to America from England in 1630's.

My father was also a perfect match to the James Poythress line that went from Georgia to Florida. Finding out more on this line could lead to answers to many of our questions.		04/27/2010 5:32:51
[POYTHRESS] Roll Call-- Post CorrectionAlbert TimsPoythress Researchers,

I told you my skills were rudimentary -- in my post below I mistakenly
referenced James Speed Poythress as my maternal great grandfather,
when, of course, it is James David Poythress. Fortunately, Judy
Speed noticed the error and discretely let me know.

Great to see so many of you taking up the roll call request. I urge
you, even if you're mostly just monitoring right now, to share a bit
about your interests. And even if you'd prefer not to reference your
specific family lineage or if you've put your interests out
previously. The list membership is ever changing.

Best,
Al


On Apr 26, 2010, at 11:15 PM, Albert Tims wrote:

> Poythress Researchers,
>
> I am the grandson of Grace (nee Poythress) McCraw Smith, b. November
> 30, 1898 d. March 1984 Age 86
>
> Miss Grace was the 2nd of 9 children of James Speed Poythress & Carrie
> Price Shephard of Meridian Mississippi. Judy Speed has already posted
> this line back as far as we can document -- to Lewis Poythress of
> Virginia.
>
> Like all of my cousins, I'm eager to connect Lewis Poythress of
> Mecklenberg Co., VA to his parents.
>
> If you search our message archives you'll find that we started
> actively exchanging messages back in 1995 -- before we were affiliated
> with Rootsweb. By the way, we lost almost everything prior to 1997
> due to conversion to a different list system, unfortunately. The
> list archive has grown to more than 6,500 fully searchable messages
> and a collection of original research documents and studies on our
> affiliated website.
>
> My broader interests are to understand more about what brought Francis
> Poythress to Virginia in 1632/33, his English origins, the events that
> launched this fascinating family into substantial prominence during
> the early colonial period, and the movement of families into the
> Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, Alabama and Mississippi.
>
> My interests greatly exceed my available time and my rudimentary skill
> as a genealogical researcher. Fortunately, many of you are superb
> researchers and have continued the painstaking work of piecing
> together what in 20 years or so will be 400 years of family history in
> North America.
>
> Al Tims
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Albert Tims wrote:
>
>> Poythress Researchers,
>>
>> It has been quite some time since we did our last roll call request
>> for our list subscribers to share their current research interests.
>>
>> We have more than 60 subscribers to the list, so it is quite possible
>> that other list subscribers may have information relevant to your
>> interests; some may even share your interests.
>>
>> If you're so inclined, it would be very helpful if you'd post (or
>> re-
>> post) a message describing your Poythress connections and your
>> current research interests.
>>
>> In addition, I would like to do more with the photo and original
>> document archives on our website. Please let me know if you have old
>> photographs or family artifacts you'd be willing to share on the
>> website
>>
>> Al Tims
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and
>> the body of the message
>
>
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> the body of the message		04/27/2010 11:42:50
[POYTHRESS] Poythress(Roll Call)BRUCE PORTERHi Everyone,
Doing this from paper not PC as replaced hard drive and have not reloaded.

My husband is a direct descendant of a James Poythress d. Northampton County NC m. Julie
Their son James Poythress married Sarah or Sallie Crowder 1/18/1826.
There children:
William b.1830 m. Emmeline
James W. b.abt 1832 m. Rebecca O High 1870
Luvel b.1835 m. Amanda Turner 1859
Sterling b.1840 m Elizabeth Turner 1859
Joseph b.1843-1850 m. Hattie or Katie
*Richard b.1847 m. Ada Turner
Adiline b.1858

*Richard m. Ada Turner and their son Charles b.1869 was my husbands great grandfather.
Charles son Claner Mason b. 1898 m. Dorah Jarrell
Claners son Robert Bailey Poythress, during his years in the service had the last name changed on his birth certificate to Porter. All descendants of Robert Bailey Poythress all go by the surname Porter as well as many of the cousins who moved from Northampton County NC to Virginia.		04/28/2010 1:22:09
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress(Roll Call) - & PorterBarbara NealThanks, Bruce; great to hear from you again after quite a while. I
really appreciate getting your clear list of your husband's line, and
the explanation of that name change from Poythress to Porter.
Recently I've been working with a number of WW II vets and have been
surprised at learning that changing their surnames happened more often
than I would have dreamed. Guess there were just so many times some
of these fellows were willing to have a sergeant messing up their
surname;)

Bet you have stories of your own, too, being raised as a gal named
Bruce, but that's a different story --
Cheers, Barbara



04/28/2010 3:14:04
[POYTHRESS] Roll Call & Poythress daughtersBarbara NealThe point is well made by Lou & Nancy. Since, especially in early days when
the pool of candidates for marriage was limited geographically, MANY
siblings within any family ended up marrying siblings within a nearby
family, it can well be to the advantage of all of us to learn more about all
the many "lost" Poythress daughters, of Poythress families who originated
especially in the 1600s & 1700s in VA & in nearby NC, some of whom had
children also moving further afield.

Conversations regarding tracking these people should be shared ON our List,
rather than off-List, to enable others to see these exploratory thoughts,
whether now or for years to come via the automatically-archived messages of
the List. This can benefit all of us.

Thanks for the good reminder, Lou & Nancy.
Barbara		04/28/2010 3:32:35
Re: [POYTHRESS] Re Poythress Roll CallLou PooleNancy: whew! And I thought I was dealing with a toughie!

Just some thoughts for consideration....

Westmoreland County is, for sure, quite off the beaten path for the
Poythress family - at least as we think we know them - so your quest
has definitely grabbed my attention and raised my curiosity level.

I have researched quite a large number of families from the Richmond,
Westmoreland, and Stafford County areas, and though I was not
specifically looking for Poythresses there (since I didn't expect to
find them there), I'm sure I would have noticed them if I had run
across that name in that area. Most of my research in that area was
concentrated on earlier years so I suppose it would be possible for a
Poythress to have migrated up there by 1770 - though I kind of doubt
it. I wonder...

You seem to have assumed that your Benedict Crabb and Mary P. married
in Westmoreland County, and that may be a fatal error, limiting your
making the connection. Could they, for example, have married and met
in the Richmond (City) area, , i.e., Henrico, Charles City, Prince
George, Chesterfield, etc., counties, and then moved to Westmoreland
County? That kind of scenario would seem to make more sense to me
given what I think I know about the extended Poythress family. So if
it were me...

By all means continue doing a thorough search around Westmoreland for
possible Poythress "strays" to eliminate that possibility (or confirm
it), but if I were you I think I'd start looking for Benedict Crabb,
and/or relatives, down in the Richmond area. But, and this is where
it's going to get real sticky, unfortunately a lot of the records of
that area have been lost/destroyed so the hunt will not be easy.

Just some random thoughts for the morning on what seems to me to be a
most interesting riddle..

Lou

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To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Re Poythress Roll Call


Hi, List.

I second Lou Poole's email. I believe I am descended from one of
"those Poythress daughters", one of the several Marys, whose fathers
were named Wiiliam. I am, unfortunately, at a dead end on what
appears to be a Westmoreland County, Virginia connection between the
Poythress and Crabb families. Circa 1770, Benedict Crabb married Mary
P. in Westmoreland County. Their children were: Hannah C., William
Poythress, Benedict Middleton, Mary Poythress, and Jane. Of these
children, Benedict Middleton Crabb had a son named William Poythress
Crabb.

The name is, as noted by other Poythress researchers, not common. It
is highly likely that the Mary P. noted above was a Mary Poythress.
Given that children and grandchildren carried the Poythress name as
middle names, it is likely that it was a family name. However, I can
not locate a marriage record for Benedict Crabb and Mary P. in any of
the Northern Neck counties, and there do not appear to have been any
Poythress family members living in Westmoreland County between 1770
and 1840. Mary P. would likely have been born about 1745 to 1750.

The staff at te Northern Neck Historical Society believe that there
were Poythresses in Westmoreland County, but have been unable to
provide any evidence to substantiate that belief. I've done a
thorough, though not exhaustive, search of wills, deeds and orders in
Westmoreland County, but suspect I will have to search harder. I have
checked as many alternate spellings as I could devise, in part based
on the archives for the Poythress mailing list. I need to check
Northumberland records for numerous other ancestors, but I understand
their records are in a rather sad state of disarray. Any suggestions
that you might have for further research into a possible Poythress
connection would be most sincerely appreciated.



Nancy Slater Thompson

Huntingtown, MD


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[POYTHRESS] Research BookDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionHello All,



I wanted to share a research book that I am finding very informative in scaling "Brick Walls", since we all have them in our individual lines.



The title is - "The Family Tree Problem Solver" by Marsha Hoffman Rising.



On the cover it states "Proven methods for scaling the inevitial brick wall".."overcome the burned courthouse; separate two people of the same name & navigate the problem years before 1850."



I am on chapter 9 out of 11 and have found this book quite informative, especially for people new to researching, like myself. If you are interested you can check it out at: http://www.shopfamilytree.com/product/family-tree-problem-solver/





Happy Hunting.



Debbie





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Re: [POYTHRESS] Research BookJudy scruggsThanks Debbie.
 Judy


--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Debbie Poythress-Concepcion wrote:


From: Debbie Poythress-Concepcion
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Research Book
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 4:58 PM



Hello All,



I wanted to share a research book that I am finding very informative in scaling "Brick Walls", since we all have them in our individual lines.



The title is - "The Family Tree Problem Solver" by Marsha Hoffman Rising.



On the cover it states "Proven methods for scaling the inevitial brick wall".."overcome the burned courthouse; separate two people of the same name & navigate the problem years before 1850."



I am on chapter 9 out of 11 and have found this book quite informative, especially for people new to researching, like myself. If you are interested you can check it out at: http://www.shopfamilytree.com/product/family-tree-problem-solver/





Happy Hunting.



Debbie




                         
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Roll Callstevew602and if Lou is a wanna-be, I am even more "wanna" and less "be". My name is Steve Wall, my father is Walter "Brick" Wall (who was it that said they ran into a brick wall?). We are descended from the John Wall Lou mentions, a line that moved eventually from Virginia to an area on the Pee Dee River in southern NC where a settlement called Walltown flourished for a while. Since this line is peripheral to the Poythress line I won't detail it here, but if anyone is interested please write me (or Lou) and we can fill you in for more. I love the Poythress list, although I'm mostly a lurker.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
>From: Lou Poole
>Sent: Apr 27, 2010 8:33 PM
>To: poythress@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Roll Call
>
>OK, I'm envious of those of you who know that you are a Poythress
>descendant, because I'm somewhere between a theoretical descendant and
>a "wanna-be," with no way to prove the theory definitively.
>
>I am (for sure) a descendant of John Wall, Jr. (ca. 1705 - bef. 1766)
>of Brunswick County, VA - through a long series of maternal branches.
>There is a considerable body of circumstantial evidence that indicates
>John Wall married an Ann Poythress ca. 1740, probably in Brunswick
>County. Ann's parents are not positively known, but again
>circumstantial evidence suggests that she was probably the daughter of
>Joshua Poythress (d. 1739 in Prince George Co.), who was the son of
>John Poythress (d. ca. 1720) and Christian Peebles. John was son of
>Francis the emigrant.
>
>Accordingly, my Poythress interests are focused on the early family's
>history, and more specifically, the first four generations.
>
>So, how about all those other Poythress daughters who have been
>"lost"? Having been a subscriber to this list almost from the
>beginning, I'm a bit surprised at how few people are trying to figure
>out who all those daughters married.
>
>Lou Poole, Richardson, TX
>
>
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[POYTHRESS] Poythress roll callJim RichardsonI am a researcher and have a special interest as my wife is the granddaughter of Lucy M. Poythress (29 Sept 1851 - 09 Aug 1922) daughter of David Poythress (16 Mar 1848 - 1876) of Warren County, NC. It is believed Lucy was the daughter of Sally Speed Dortch who married David 16 Mar 1848.

I am not sure if the members have determined who was David's father.

Lucy M. Poythress married James H.Twisdale, Jr. (19 Jan 1847 - 19 Sep 1911) on 25 Dec 1870. James Twisdale served with the NC 1st Jr. Reserve and received a pension for wounds received at the battle of Bentonville, NC.

Jim Richardson
Richmond, VA		05/02/2010 1:56:17
Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 19s bHello!

I am Susan Poythress, daughter of John Francis Poythress m Iva Adele Clark, son of Foxhall Poythress m. Anne May Kidd from Bracey Virginia.
I don't seem to be blazing any trails in research, but am interested in anything found. I will look for pictures.

Thank You for this site!
Sue

>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Roll Call (Albert Tims)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:34:37 -0500
> From: Albert Tims
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Roll Call
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Message-ID:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
>
> Poythress Researchers,
>
> It has been quite some time since we did our last roll call
> request 
> for our list subscribers to share their current research
> interests.
>
> We have more than 60 subscribers to the list, so it is
> quite possible 
> that other list subscribers may have information relevant
> to your 
> interests; some may even share your interests.
>
> If you're so inclined, it would be very  helpful if
> you'd post (or re-
> post)  a message describing your Poythress connections
> and your 
> current research interests.
>
> In addition, I would like to do more with the photo and
> original 
> document archives on our website. Please let me know if you
> have old 
> photographs or family artifacts you'd be willing to share
> on the website
>
> Al Tims
>
>
>
>
>		05/02/2010 4:01:10
[POYTHRESS] FoxhallBarbara NealThanks for checking in, Susan. It would be great to see some photos
from Foxhall's line, so hope you can find some.

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 11:01 PM, s b wrote:
> Hello!
>   I am Susan Poythress, daughter of John Francis Poythress m Iva Adele Clark, son of Foxhall Poythress m. Anne May Kidd from Bracey Virginia.
> I don't seem to be blazing any trails in research, but am interested in anything found.  I will look for pictures.
> Thank You for this site!
> Sue		05/03/2010 10:39:43
[POYTHRESS] Poythress Roll CallHi Everyone
Mostly a lurker, reading every bit of info I can find.
I too am interested in possible missing Poythress daughter.


I am descended from Leonard Thomas, son of David Thomas and Rebecca Brooks and Tinsey Winn Thomas, of whom I have found is the daughter of Wynn Thomas.


Wynn Thomas' wife is the unknown here and may be a Poythress, though Cleaton is a good bet too. There are several family associations and interactions with Poythress and Cleatons. Tinsey and Leonard's neice Lucy Thomas was married to Thomas M. Poythress and he was also the overseer on Tiney's farm after Leonard's death. (Been a while and I have to go through references again-so please forgive if I make error)


Tinsey's sisters are and these names to come up:
THOMAS, ELIZABETH L. who married WESSON, HARRISON b-Edward Poythress
THOMAS, MARY ANN who married PERKINSON, JOHN M., b- Leonard Thomas I believe that Mary did not live long after marriage.
and
THOMAS, TABITHA who married WESSON, RODERICK
and of course her brother Winn Thomas, Jr married Parasade (various spellings) Cleaton.
This information comes from estate settlement of Winn Thomas of Mecklenburg County, VA
I am descended from Leonard and Tinsey's son Robert Massenburg Thomas who married Julia (Juley) A. Kidd, daughter of
Jonathan B. Kidd and Elizabeth M Rainey
More later
I have to dig back into my notes again.


Cynthia Thomas Huggett












05/04/2010 1:07:26
[POYTHRESS] James P. Poythress --- Gadsden Co., FLJames A. SmithI'm Linda Clark Smith in Gadsden Co., Florida. John P. Poythress, b. in
Gadsden Co., Florida Territory, in 1830 is my Great Grandfather. It is
believed that his father is the James P. Poythress who was living in Gadsden
Co. in the late 1820s. Thus far, we have been unable to document James P.
to our family. My grandmother always told me when I was a child that her
Poythress family was from east Georgia. The DNA test of one of our close
kinfolks down here matched with some of the Screven Co., Ga. family.



I am truly thankful for the assistance some of you have shared with us
during the past 10 years.



Linda Clark Smith		05/04/2010 1:12:44
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress Roll CallJerry PoythressI am Jerry Poythress son of Walter Poythress. His father was Charlie Poythress from Roanoke Rapids in Nc.   Near Va. I am the youngest of 7 Poythress Children. Just happened to read your email. Stay very busy and don't get on the internet much. Hope this helps. If you need to talk to me I'm at 252-635-7746 I do know there is alot of Poythress in Wilson NC.




________________________________
From: "huggetts@att.net"
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 3:07:26 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Poythress Roll Call

Hi Everyone
Mostly a lurker, reading every bit of info I can find.
I too am interested in possible missing Poythress daughter.


I am descended from Leonard Thomas, son of David Thomas and Rebecca Brooks and Tinsey Winn Thomas, of whom I have found is the daughter of Wynn Thomas.


Wynn Thomas' wife is the unknown here and may be a Poythress, though Cleaton is a good bet too. There are several family associations and interactions with Poythress and Cleatons. Tinsey and Leonard's neice Lucy Thomas was married to Thomas M. Poythress and he was also the overseer on Tiney's farm after Leonard's death. (Been a while and I have to go through references again-so please forgive if I make error)


Tinsey's sisters are and these names to come up:
THOMAS, ELIZABETH L. who married WESSON, HARRISON b-Edward Poythress
THOMAS, MARY ANN who married PERKINSON, JOHN M., b- Leonard Thomas I believe that Mary did not live long after marriage.
and
THOMAS, TABITHA  who married WESSON, RODERICK
and of course her brother Winn Thomas, Jr married Parasade (various spellings) Cleaton.
This information comes from estate settlement of Winn Thomas of Mecklenburg County, VA
I am descended from Leonard and Tinsey's son Robert Massenburg Thomas who married Julia (Juley) A. Kidd, daughter of
Jonathan B. Kidd and Elizabeth M Rainey
More later
I have to dig back into my notes again.


Cynthia Thomas Huggett











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Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress Roll CallHello All,

Thank you Al, for the roll call.

I am Barbara Poythress Wolfe, descended from David E. Poythress, who was born in Mecklenburg County, VA around 1805. His son Charles David Poythress (1849-1892) lived in Warren County, North Carolina and a generation later my grandfather John Alexander Poythress settled in Florida.

I am interested in the relationships of our Virginia and North Carolina connections.		05/04/2010 8:13:18
[POYTHRESS] Roll CallBryan PoythressMy name is Bryan Poythress and I am decendant from Edward Poythress and Mahaley Nance. I don't know for sure, but I believe his parents were Lewis Poythress and Elizabeth Patsy Giles.
 
Is it likely, or even possible, that the father of Lewis Poythress (b. abt 1770) was Thomas (b. 1729)? Also is the following information known and verified?
 

1 Francis (b abt 1609; died abt 1650)
2 Francis (b abt 1630; d abt 1688)
3 Thomas (1683 - 1749)
4 Thomas (1729)		05/05/2010 4:24:45
[POYTHRESS] Mortimer W Giles - exploring potential Poythress connectionBarbara NealLeslie, with a copy to our Poythress-List so this info on a potential
Giles connection will be archived and retrievable,

Thank you so much for giving me the context of when Mortimer W Giles'
name had ever been mentioned in a message I had seen, before hearing
from you this month. Context helps so much in clarifying such things
for me, and helps so much to understand why it was that you reached
out to me.

I pulled up my old email of 6 Feb 2009, in which I had quoted Ruth
Kauffman's message of 13 Nov 1998, in which she had mentioned
Mortimer. (By the way, I was unable to locate Ruth Kauffman in Feb
2009, and do not know whether she was still living then.)

First Kauffman gave Mortimer's parents, citing
- as the source for her info on both the father and the mother
R.A.Malone's "Malone & Allied Families" 2nd and Revised Ed. published
at Thomasville, GA in 1966, and
- as source for her info on the mother, "Betty Cason, 6948 Comstock
Rd. Spring Hill, TN Family papers" [undated in Kauffman's message of
13 Nov 1998]

PARENTS as listed in Kauffman's Nov 1998 message:
-- father - Edward Giles Jr. (son of Henry Edward Giles and Jean
Cleaton), who was b.24 Feb 1779 in VA, and who died 1 Feb 1858 at Flat
Creek, Williamson Co, TN
-- mother - Frances M. Nance, who was b.8 Apr 1792 in Mecklenburg Co,
VA, and who d.12 Nov 1855 in Williamson Co, TN, and is buried in N.P.
Giles Cemetery at Choctaw, Williamson Co, TN.

Kauffman then listed, as the 2nd of 8 children of that couple:
MORTIMER W GILES b.19 Dec 1829 in Williamson Co, TN, who married
Sarah Ann F.B. Lofton on 3 Oct 1850 in Williamson Co, TN, and showed
that Mortimer had died in prison camp in Ohio and was buried in a
Confederate Cemetery.
For Mortimer, Kauffman cited as her sources:
-- the above-mentioned "Betty Cason, 6948 Comstock Rd. Spring Hill,
TN Family papers" [undated in Kauffman's message of 13 Nov 1998], and
-- Pat Giles, whose email address was given as patgiles2@aol.com
[presumably as of Kauffman's message of 13 Nov 1998, but no date given
for any communication with Pat Giles, and no indication whether Pat
is/was male or female]

Now having that context for mention of Mortimer W Giles, I see from
your original message of 1 May 2010 (copy of which is pasted at the
bottom here) that you likely have extensive info on Mortimer's
descendants (since you descend from his daughter Sallie), and that you
furnished a correction regarding Mortimer's place of burial, and that
you have obtained info on his service and death. Your correcting info
(from part of your 1 May 2010 message) regarding Mortimer said:
"A note on Mortimer's grave. He died in the prisoner of war
camp on Arsenal Island, Rock Island, Illinois. (not Ohio) Grave number
70. I visited it a few years ago. They sent me a copy of the
circumstances of his capture and death (pneumonia). I have been unable
to find the photocopy recently. They were very helpful. / I found the
info on his service and grave at Newberry Library (Private) in
Chicago."

Leslie, I never got any response to my 6 Feb 2009 question aimed at
Ruth Kauffman, in which I asked if Ruth knew the dates when [the man
Kauffman indicated was Mortimer W Giles' paternal grandfather] Henry
Edward Giles lived. So, if you happen to have the dates in which
Henry Edward Giles, lived it would indeed be great to have that
question of 15 months ago answered.

When I posed that question, I was also trying to determine whether I
was correct in thinking that Ruth Kauffman meant that this
-- Henry Edward Giles was the same "Edward Giles" whose daughter was
Elizabeth or Patsy or Betsy/Batsey Giles (who was the first wife of
Lewis Poythress), and
-- whether Henry Edward Giles was the same Edward Giles whose 1818
Mecklenburg Co, VA will (Will Bk 8, pp 415-6), named his Grand
Daughter Milly Nance; Grandson Edward Poythress; Grandson John
Poythress; Grand Daughter Martha Giles Daughter of my Daughter Betsy
P. Giles; and his then four Living Children Jean P. Basey, John Giles,
Edward Giles, and William Giles, and which will named as Executors
Edward Giles, Jr. and John Basey.

If you happen to know whether Mortimer's paternal grandfather (as
given in Ruth Kauffman's email of 1998 as being Henry Edward Giles)
was indeed that same Edward Giles, I would greatly appreciate learning
of that.

Thank you for getting in touch, and for any clarification you can
furnish on whether Mortimer W Giles' paternal line is the one
indicated above. Best of luck in your research, and best regards,
Barbara
=
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Leslie Whitfield
wrote:
> I did a Google search on Mortimer and up popped Your name and Randy Jones
> with your e-mail addresses. In this the Subject: of Giles relations was
> mentioned dated Feb. 6, 2009. A Ruth Kauffman was also mentioned with out an
> e-mail address. I thought I would show my connection and correct some
> information that Kauffman mentioned which might help you and lead me to more
> info for myself. i guess I was wrong.
>
> AND On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Leslie Whitfield wrote:
-Mortimer was my G.G.Grandfather. I am related to him through his
daughter Sallie. Sallie married William D. Daniels. Their daughter
Henrietta married Hugh Cliff Whitfield whose son was Robert Hayes W.
my father.
-Henrietta re-married after Hugh's death to Francis Gordon in
Indiana,. They retired to Thomasville, GA in the 1960's.
-I just googled Mortimer's name after search to his father Edward ran dry.
-My name is Leslie Thomas Whitfield and I live in Chicago where the
family migrated from Tennessee in the 1930's.
-A note on Mortimer's grave. He died in the prisoner of war camp on
Arsenal Island, Rock Island, Illinois. (not Ohio) Grave number 70. I
visited it a few years ago. They sent me a copy of the circumstances
of his capture and death (pneumonia). I have been unable to find the
photocopy recently. They were very helpful.
-I found the info on his service and grave at Newberry Library
(Private) in Chicago.

Please let me know if this reaches you. And please keep in touch.
Best regards,
Leslie		05/05/2010 9:59:12
[POYTHRESS] (no subject)John M. PoythressGMT 16:15 update on British election. Well, "our" shire made the news and yep, those are

our folks for sure. Appears the gene is alive and well!



Maynard



16:15: No official word on turnout as yet, of course, but several sites are reporting
anecdotal

evidence of higher turnout than in recent elections. The BBC says turnout in the village
of Slad,

in Gloucestershire, often hits 100%. Possibly not unrelated to the fact that the polling
station is

the village pub.		05/06/2010 6:22:37
[POYTHRESS] FW: VAAMELIA Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22John M. PoythressMy guys were long gone from Brunswick County by 1850 but Lewis' guys weren't so I
thought some of you might be interested in checking this one. Maynard

-----Original Message-----
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vaamelia-request@rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 3:02
To: vaamelia@rootsweb.com
Subject: VAAMELIA Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22



Today's Topics:

1. 1850 Census upload (Tom Alciere)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 12:36:59 -0500
From: Tom Alciere
Subject: [VAAMELIA] 1850 Census upload
To: VAAMELIA@rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <20100506123659.91jlydxhx6y0og40@webmail.gedcomindex.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes";
format="flowed"

To make the census transcription project at

http://files.usgwarchives.org/va/amelia/census/1850/

even more useful, I have converted it into a GEDCOM
file, which can be imported into any genealogy software
(open a new folder!) and read by a variety of utilities.

This free resource is a finding aid for the transcription
work. The note for each person contains the URL of the
exact file where he or she is listed.

The file is at

http://gedcomlibrary.com/gedcoms/v209362.ged

and linked at

http://gedcomlibrary.com/vitals.html

Tom Alciere



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Re: [POYTHRESS] FW: VAAMELIA Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22PatThanks Maynard, Page59B shows

32 525 525 Poitax Wm B. 27 M W Engineer VA

Is "Poitax" yet another version of Poythress? Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 11:13 AM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] FW: VAAMELIA Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22


> My guys were long gone from Brunswick County by 1850 but Lewis' guys weren't so I
> thought some of you might be interested in checking this one. Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vaamelia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaamelia-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
> vaamelia-request@rootsweb.com
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 3:02
> To: vaamelia@rootsweb.com
> Subject: VAAMELIA Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22
>
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. 1850 Census upload (Tom Alciere)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 12:36:59 -0500
> From: Tom Alciere
> Subject: [VAAMELIA] 1850 Census upload
> To: VAAMELIA@rootsweb.com
> Message-ID: <20100506123659.91jlydxhx6y0og40@webmail.gedcomindex.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes";
> format="flowed"
>
> To make the census transcription project at
>
> http://files.usgwarchives.org/va/amelia/census/1850/
>
> even more useful, I have converted it into a GEDCOM
> file, which can be imported into any genealogy software
> (open a new folder!) and read by a variety of utilities.
>
> This free resource is a finding aid for the transcription
> work. The note for each person contains the URL of the
> exact file where he or she is listed.
>
> The file is at
>
> http://gedcomlibrary.com/gedcoms/v209362.ged
>
> and linked at
>
> http://gedcomlibrary.com/vitals.html
>
> Tom Alciere
>
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] FW: VAAMELIA Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22John M. PoythressIf it is a new version, it's new to me too......but I guess a brain
challenged enumerator could get to just about anything.....
actually I think one might make a case (with one or more
confirming tidbits) to get to this spelling on the theory that
those enumerators were paid by the name (volume) rather than
quality (correctness) and might not even stop to ask the
enumeratee to repeat himself.

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
Pat
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 1:08
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] FW: VAAMELIA Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22

Thanks Maynard, Page59B shows

32 525 525 Poitax Wm B. 27 M W Engineer VA

Is "Poitax" yet another version of Poythress? Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 11:13 AM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] FW: VAAMELIA Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22


> My guys were long gone from Brunswick County by 1850 but Lewis' guys weren't so I
> thought some of you might be interested in checking this one. Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vaamelia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaamelia-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
> vaamelia-request@rootsweb.com
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 3:02
> To: vaamelia@rootsweb.com
> Subject: VAAMELIA Digest, Vol 5, Issue 22
>
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. 1850 Census upload (Tom Alciere)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 12:36:59 -0500
> From: Tom Alciere
> Subject: [VAAMELIA] 1850 Census upload
> To: VAAMELIA@rootsweb.com
> Message-ID: <20100506123659.91jlydxhx6y0og40@webmail.gedcomindex.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes";
> format="flowed"
>
> To make the census transcription project at
>
> http://files.usgwarchives.org/va/amelia/census/1850/
>
> even more useful, I have converted it into a GEDCOM
> file, which can be imported into any genealogy software
> (open a new folder!) and read by a variety of utilities.
>
> This free resource is a finding aid for the transcription
> work. The note for each person contains the URL of the
> exact file where he or she is listed.
>
> The file is at
>
> http://gedcomlibrary.com/gedcoms/v209362.ged
>
> and linked at
>
> http://gedcomlibrary.com/vitals.html
>
> Tom Alciere
>
>
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[POYTHRESS] Roll CallJohn M. PoythressI'm (John) Maynard Poythress, 4ggrandson of a Thomas Poythress of Brunswick and/or
Dinwiddie

and/or Mecklenburg Counties, VA who migrated to Burke County, GA in the last quarter of
the 18th

century.



I would like to further verify Thomas' identity and document a link from him to immigrant
Francis

Poythress which is likely a matter of uncovering a two generation gap, probably via
Francis (RBB4).



There is a reasonably consistent "overlay" of most Poythress males' Y-DNA profiles on this
listserver.

It is hoped that along with the DNA profile of John Poytress of Southampton, we might
establish a good

probability framework to work on the links to Francis Poythress for many of us, thus
reducing our general

problem somewhat by letting us "work to the middle."



Along the way, each of us has specific questions to his or her "line" and the majority of
these

individual-specific questions in many instances link to each other just as there is a fair
chance of them

all linking to Francis Poythress. The hope is that pulling on enough threads we might
unravel the specific

questions.



I have archived all of the answers to this roll call for future reference. While no one
particular "quest"

is a stranger, I think it will be most helpful to me to have this handy reference. Thanks
for prompting

the "call", Al.		05/09/2010 4:14:37
[POYTHRESS] Poythress Roll CallJim RichardsonMy wife is the granddaughter of Lucy M. Poythress (29 Sept 1851 - 09 Aug 1922) a daughter of David Poythress (16 Mar 1848 - 1876) of Warren County, NC. It is believed Lucy was the daughter of Sally Speed Dortch who married David 16 Mar 1848.


Lucy M. Poythress married James H.Twisdale, Jr. (19 Jan 1847 - 19 Sep 1911) on 25 Dec 1870.

Jim Richardson
Richmond, VA		05/10/2010 2:31:03
[POYTHRESS] Roll CallCrystal RoseHey guys,
This is Crystal Rose Marvin and I am the great grand daughter of Mamie
Poythress and Anthony Richard Peters(son). We are from the Portuguese
Settlement located in Northampton County NC. My earliest docuemented
Poythress is James Poythress and Sarah (Sallie) Crowder. Part of the family
left the area and drifted down to Wilson County NC and Johnston County NC.


Crystal Rose Marvin 🙂



05/12/2010 5:53:39
[POYTHRESS] Mamie PoythressPatCrystal, you asked me within the past month whether I had a copy of Mamie's marriage certificate to Anthony Peters. I had copied 4 marriage certificates when I was in Emporia in the summer of 2001, which included the marriage certificate of my ancestor, Martha J. Poythress to Edward (O')Neal, in March 1880.

When I looked at the time, I thought that I had it but could not locate it on my hard drive. I looked again today, found it, and have attached the certificate that you inquired about. It was from Book 12, page 51 of the Greensville Co VA marriage books

Mamie Poythress Bk 12 page 51

I note that on the marriage certificate that Mamie's parents are listed as "H.R. and Laura B. Poythress" and that the witness Stephen Poythress is listed as the brother of the bride. The wedding was performed at the Episcopal church in 1912.

I also have a copy of the marriage certificate of Robert Portress and Belle Portress in April 1908. Robert is listed as the son of Richard and Ada Portress. Belle is noted as the daughter of ______ & Adelaide Portress. W. D. Fogleman of the Methodist Protestant Church performed the ceremony in April 1908 in a public road per the marriage certificate. On the side of the certificate, it notes that the witness was Jack "Turner or Portress", brother of the female applicant.

You and I have discussed before that we may be related since you are a descendant of Horace Poythress and my father's middle name was Horace. Don't have anyone else in my known family with the name Horace.

Would love to know how we might be related.

Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Crystal Rose"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:53 AM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Roll Call


> Hey guys,
> This is Crystal Rose Marvin and I am the great grand daughter of Mamie
> Poythress and Anthony Richard Peters(son). We are from the Portuguese
> Settlement located in Northampton County NC. My earliest docuemented
> Poythress is James Poythress and Sarah (Sallie) Crowder. Part of the family
> left the area and drifted down to Wilson County NC and Johnston County NC.
>
>
> Crystal Rose Marvin 🙂		05/12/2010 9:37:20
[POYTHRESS] FW: VASUSSEX Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2John M. PoythressFrom: VASUSSEX Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2 - posted 14 May 2010



Today's Topics:

1. United Daughters of the Confederacy (Shawn Martin)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 12:04:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: Shawn Martin
Subject: [VASUSSEX] United Daughters of the Confederacy
To: VASUSSEX@rootsweb.com
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The United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) is seeking ladies in the
Sussex County area of Virginia to join our organization and honor their
Confederate heritage.
The UDC has a long history in Virginia of working to preserve Southern
history and monuments. Among the many wonderful projects these ladies
perform: they mark Confederate Soldiers graves with Government Markers &
Iron Crosses to signify their service in the War Between the States (WBTS),
they sponsor and maintain numerous Confederate monuments throughout
Virginia, and they support active duty and retired military personnel
through donations, awards, and volunteer hours.
If you are descended from a Confederate soldier or sailor, or from someone
who served in the Confederate government, and you are interested in becoming
a member of the UDC, please contact me and I can put you in contact with the
nearest chapter in your area. If you are not sure if you have a Confederate
ancestor, but are interested in joining the UDC, please let me know and we
can work with you to determine if you qualify for membership.
If you have a family member who was a member of the UDC or the Children of
the Confederacy, we hope that you will carry on the tradition and consider
joining the UDC.
Thank you for taking the time to read such a long posting. I look forward to
hearing from List Members.
Sincerely,
Shawn Martin
Virginia Division Registrar
United Daughters of the Confederacy


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[POYTHRESS] Limited-time access to historical newspapersBarbara NealIn case any of you have more time this month than I have, you may want
to browse for Poythress & other names in this:

The Historical Newspaper Collection on Footnote.com provides a unique
window to the past. In addition, this collection is free to the public
through the month of May. Simply login and explore over 4 million
pages of newspapers ranging from small towns to big cities and dating
back to the 1700s. Visit Footnote's newspaper site today at
www.footnote.com/newspapers.		05/15/2010 10:12:13
[POYTHRESS] Fwd: Fw: HISTORY TIDBIT!!!
05/19/2010 5:39:58
Re: [POYTHRESS] Fwd: Fw: HISTORY TIDBIT!!!Judy scruggsNothing came through for me.



--- On Wed, 5/19/10, MargieTanner@aol.com wrote:


From: MargieTanner@aol.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Fwd: Fw: HISTORY TIDBIT!!!
To: MonieHK@aol.com, ohlhausen@yahoo.com, yubuh@yahoo.com, poythress@rootsweb.com, JSharp1004@aol.com, silverfoxtanner@aol.com
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 11:39 PM




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[POYTHRESS] Please try again, MargieBarbara NealMargie, whatever the history tidbit was that you wanted to share with
the Poythress List, did not come thru -- likely because rootsweb only
allows pure text messages to pass through. You might try copying your
earlier message & pasting it into the "Notepad" accessory on your
computer. Then you can copy the pure text version of it into a fresh
message to the Poythress List, and we'll get to share your excitement
over the tidbit.

Thanks,
Barbara



05/20/2010 12:53:33
[POYTHRESS] Poythress Roll Call - TannerBarbara NealThanks so much, Margie, for the clarification. We all have those goof-moments.
Barbara

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:08 AM, wrote:
> Please excuse the E-Mail referenced above.  I goofed!
>
> I am a descendant of Horace Cullen Poythress and Flossie Wells Poythress
> (grandparents) of Screven County and am Maynard's first cousin although not
> nearly as smart!
>
> Regards to all,
> Margie Tanner		05/21/2010 5:52:32
Re: [POYTHRESS] A History TidbitPlease excuse the E-Mail referenced above. I goofed!

I am a descendant of Horace Cullen Poythress and Flossie Wells Poythress
(grandparents) of Screven County and am Maynard's first cousin although not
nearly as smart!

Regards to all,

Margie Tanner



05/21/2010 7:08:58
[POYTHRESS] Obit help for yesterday's Poythress death pleaseBarbara NealOur sympathy goes out to the family of this woman who died yesterday
in Sims, NC (in Wilson Co, NC): Wilma L. Poythress, 61, Sims, died
05-27-2010. Arrangements: Shingleton, Wilson. Published in The News
& Observer on May 28, 2010

Hey Crystal, I'm hoping that, due to the towns of Lucama & Sims both
being in Wilson Co, and only being 13 miles apart, that (like 3 months
ago) you may be able to alert us to the family of the above Wilma.
You alerted us re the Feb 27 death of Arthur D. "Toggie" Poythress,
Sr. 52, of Lucama, Arrangements Shingleton, Wilson, that Arthur D
"Toggie" was "son of Joseph Gideon Poythress and Alice Ham of Wilson.
Joseph Gideon is the son of William Harrison Poythress and Mahala
Hayes. William is the son of Joseph Poythress and Mary Jane Garner and
Joseph is the son of James Poythress of Northampton County NC."

If you, or anyone else, can please help identify Wilma's family, it
would be appreciated.		05/28/2010 4:21:06
Re: [POYTHRESS] Obit help for yesterday's Poythress death pleaseBarbara NealThanks, Sandy, for the additional info.



05/28/2010 4:59:08
Re: [POYTHRESS] Obit help for yesterday's Poythress death pleaseSandyBarbara,

According to the funeral home's site, Wilma Lancaster Poythress was
the wife of Joseph Poythress, Jr., who survives her:
http://shingletonfh.com/wp/?p=105

-Sandy

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Barbara Neal wrote:
> Our sympathy goes out to the family of this woman who died yesterday
> in Sims, NC (in Wilson Co, NC):   Wilma L. Poythress, 61, Sims, died
> 05-27-2010.  Arrangements: Shingleton, Wilson.  Published in The News
> & Observer on May 28, 2010
>
> Hey Crystal, I'm hoping that, due to the towns of Lucama & Sims both
> being in Wilson Co, and only being 13 miles apart, that (like 3 months
> ago) you may be able to alert us to the family of the above Wilma.
> You alerted us re the Feb 27 death of Arthur D. "Toggie" Poythress,
> Sr. 52, of Lucama, Arrangements Shingleton, Wilson,   that Arthur D
> "Toggie" was "son of  Joseph Gideon Poythress and Alice Ham of Wilson.
> Joseph Gideon is the son of William Harrison Poythress and Mahala
> Hayes. William is the son of Joseph Poythress and Mary Jane Garner and
> Joseph is the son of James Poythress of Northampton County NC."
>
> If you, or anyone else, can please help identify Wilma's family, it
> would be appreciated.
>
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>		05/28/2010 5:44:29
Re: [POYTHRESS] Obit help for yesterday's Poythress death pleaseJudy scruggsThanks for that info Sandy.
 Judy


--- On Fri, 5/28/10, Sandy wrote:


From: Sandy
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Obit help for yesterday's Poythress death please
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 12:44 PM


Barbara,

According to the funeral home's site, Wilma Lancaster Poythress was
the wife of Joseph Poythress, Jr., who survives her:
http://shingletonfh.com/wp/?p=105

-Sandy

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Barbara Neal wrote:
> Our sympathy goes out to the family of this woman who died yesterday
> in Sims, NC (in Wilson Co, NC):   Wilma L. Poythress, 61, Sims, died
> 05-27-2010.  Arrangements: Shingleton, Wilson.  Published in The News
> & Observer on May 28, 2010
>
> Hey Crystal, I'm hoping that, due to the towns of Lucama & Sims both
> being in Wilson Co, and only being 13 miles apart, that (like 3 months
> ago) you may be able to alert us to the family of the above Wilma.
> You alerted us re the Feb 27 death of Arthur D. "Toggie" Poythress,
> Sr. 52, of Lucama, Arrangements Shingleton, Wilson,   that Arthur D
> "Toggie" was "son of  Joseph Gideon Poythress and Alice Ham of Wilson.
> Joseph Gideon is the son of William Harrison Poythress and Mahala
> Hayes. William is the son of Joseph Poythress and Mary Jane Garner and
> Joseph is the son of James Poythress of Northampton County NC."
>
> If you, or anyone else, can please help identify Wilma's family, it
> would be appreciated.
>
> -------------------------------
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[POYTHRESS] Transcrip: 1772 Mecklenburg Co, VA will - Taylor gfa of Lewis Poythress' wifeBarbara NealRebecca B. Taylor was the second wife of Lewis Poythress (they married
9 April 1802 in Mecklenburg Co, VA). Her parents were David Taylor
(one of six sons) and Rebecca Dortch.

David's parents were Thomas Taylor, Sr. (who died in Mecklenburg
County, Virginia about Sept 1773) and Penelope Goodwyn. Note: we know
his wife was Penelope Goodwyn, daughter of Thomas Goodwyn and wife
Mary, thanks to Lyndon H Hart III's "Surry County, Virginia, Wills,
Estate Accounts and Inventories 1730-1800," which contains an abstract
of Thomas Goodwyn's will from Surry Co, VA Will, Etc Book No.8, p.135.
That abstract by Hart lists Thomas Goodwyn of Southwark Parish,
Surry: Will dated 7 Feb 1730 (old style, so 7 Feb 1731) and recorded
20 Oct 1731, with Executor John Goodwin; sons Francis, William (who
was not yet 19), John. Wife Mary. Daughter Pennellopy Taylor.
Witnesses William Shands, Charles Gee and Mazareth Shands. Hart also
abstracted Thomas Goodwyne's Inventory from p.151 of the same Surry
volume, dated 20 Nov 1731, recorded 19 Jan 1731 (old style, so 19 Jan
1732); John Goodwyn, Executor; and Appraisers Thomas Taylor, Charles
Gee and Thomas Thomlinson. Without tracking down that 1730 will of
Thomas Goodwyn, we learn from John W Pritchett's "Southside Virginia
Genealogies" (page 2951) that in Goodwyn's 20 Oct 1730 will, he left
the rest of his estate to his daughter Penelope Taylor when she became
19.]

In the below transcribed lengthy will of Thomas Taylor, Sr., two of
the 1772 witnesses, Thomas Malone and Amey Malone, are likely related
to Thomas Taylor's daughter-in-law, Amey nee Malone Taylor (who
apparently had married the testator's son Goodwyn Taylor in about
1760) and to her father, Drury Malone, who died in 1782.

Transcription of will of Thomas Taylor, Sr. in full, from the
Mecklenburg County, Virginia, Will Book 1, pp.140-143, from FHL
microfilm roll # 32,518, which covers Will Books 1-3 [Notations in
square brackets are those of transcriber Barbara Neal, May 29, 2010.
I will start each "Item" as a separate paragraph to aid in reading
this lengthy document, rather than having no paragraph breaks like the
original. Spelling and punctuation are as in the original. On some
of the microfilmed pages of this will, parts of final words at the far
right edge of the page are very faded out. The clerk's handwriting
makes it challenging to tell the difference between the written
numbers of "Twenty" and "Seventy" in the acreage descriptions;
despite looking at numerous "Thomas Taylor" and "James Mitchell"
patents in Nugent's volumes 3-6, I have not seen any for the specific
number of acres of patents referred to in this will, in order to be
positive if my reading in the will of 320 (vs 370) acres for one and
70 (versus 20) acres for the other, are correct.]

[page] 140 Taylor Will
In the name of God Amen
The Twenty fourth day of October in the year of our Lord one Thousand
Seven hundred and Seventy Two
I Thomas Taylor Senr of the county of Mecklenburg Being Sick and weak
But of perfect mind and Memory and Knowing that it is appointed for
all men one [sic; once?] to Die; do make and ordain this my last will
and Testament --

Item I give and Bequeath to my son Thomas Taylor after my wifes Death
one Negro woman Called Little Patt

Item I give and Bequeath to my son John Taylor one Negro Woman Called
Nanny and after my wifes death I give him one Negro Boy Called Joe to
him and and [sic] his heirs forever.

Item I give and Bequeath to my son William Taylor after my wifes
Death one Negro man Called Peter and one Yellow Boy Called Kitt: I
also Lend him Negro woman Little Patt During my Wifes life, and at her
Death then to Decend [sic] To my son Thomas Taylor

Item I give and Bequeath to my son Goowyn [sic; Goodwyn] Taylor one
Negro man Called Adam and one Yellow Girl Called Nanncy to him and his
heirs forever

Item I give and Bequeath to my son Thomas Taylor four hundred Acres
of Land Lying on the branch of Jeneto Creek and the hedd Branches of
Woolfpitt fork of Flatt Creek also one Negro man Called Stephen and
one Negro Boy Called Roger to him and his heirs forever -----------
[straight line extended just over an inch to the right margin]

Item I give and Bequeath to my son David Taylor after my wifes Death
of [sic] half of three hundred & Twenty Acres patant in my own Name
also the one half of Seventy Acres patented in James Mitchells Name
Both percills [parcels] of the said Land to be Equally Divided Between
my Two Sons -- David

[page] 141
David Taylor and Jones Taylor after my wifes Death to him and his heirs forever.

Item I give and Bequeath to my son Jones Taylor after his mothers
Death the one half of three hundred and Twenty Acres of Land patented
in my own Name also the half of Seventy Acres of Land James patented
in James Mitchells Name the said land to be Equally Divided Between
my Two sons Jones Taylor and David Taylor [after] their mothers Death
to him and his heirs forever also my will and Desire is that if when
[one] of my Two sons David or Jones Should [die] before they Arrive to
Lawful age or marrys then David[s] Land Go to Jones if he should Die
before the Time, and if Jones Should Die before the said Time then
this Land to go to David Taylor.

Item I give & Bequeath to my sons David Taylor and Jones Taylor after
my wifes Death the following Negroes and their increase to be Equally
Divided / To wit / Great Patt, Hannah, Milly, Frank, & Stephen to
them an their heirs forever

Item I give and Bequeath unto my Daughter Marry [sic] Taylor one
Negro Girll and her increase the Girl Called Kate also one Bay mare to
her and to her heirs forever. also one Feather Bed and Furniture.

Item I give and Bequeath unto David Taylor, Jones Taylor, & Mary
Taylor after their mothers Death, one Negro Boy Called Ned, to be
Equally Divided Between them to them and their and [sic] heirs forever

Item I give and Bequeath to my Grandson Jessee Taylor one Black Negro
Boy Called Kitt, to him and [his heirs forever]

142
also my will and Desire is that if my Grand son Jessee Taylor Should
die Before he arrived to Law full age or Marrys then the said Negro to
and Decend to my Grandson Thomas Taylor the son of Thomas Taylor.

Item I give and Bequeath unto my Daughter Susannah Cleaton Ten
pounds Current money after my wifes death

Item I give and Bequeath unto my Daughter Elizabeth Watson one Negro
Girl Called Jany [Janey?] and her increase to her and her heirs for
ever

Item I lend unto my Beloved Wife Penelope Taylor during her life the
use of Three hundred and Twenty Acres of Land patented in my own Name
Also Seventy Acres of Land patented in James Mitchells Name. also the
Negroes here after Mentioned. Peter, Great Patt, Hannah, Milley,
Ned, Joe, Yellow Kitt, Roger, Frank, and Stephen. also all my
house hold Goods of all sorts. Likewise all my Stock of all Kinds.

Item I give and Bequeath unto my sons David Taylor and Jones Taylor
to them and their heirs forever after their mothers Death all the
Stock of all kinds, all my household of all sorts to be Equally
Divided Between them

Item I give unto my Six sons Thomas Taylor, John Taylor, Goodwyn
Taylor, James Taylor, David Taylor, and Jones Taylor all my Land in
South Carolina Both sides of Broad River and [on the?] Island, to
them and their heirs forever

Item I do Constitute and appoint my three sons, William Taylor, James
Taylor, and David Taylor to be my whole and sole Executors of this my
last will and Testament in Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand
and affixed my seal the Day and

143
Year above Written also my will and Desire is that my Estate be not appraised

Signed Seal'd Published & Declared }
by the said Thos Taylor be his last }
will and Testament in presence of }
Nathaniel {his NE mark Letters} Edwards
Thomas Malone Thomas {his T mark} Taylor (seal)
Amey {her + mark} Malone
=
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 9 October 1773
This my Last will and Testament of Thomas Taylor
Decd was Exhibited into Court proved by the Oaths
of Three Witnesses thereto Subscribed & Ordered to be
Recorded & on the motion of William Taylor, James
Taylor and David Taylor the Executors therein
Named who made Oath and Entered into an
Acknowledged Bond with Security as the Law
Directs Certificate is Granted them for Obtainen
Probate thereof in Due form
Teste John Tabb CMC		05/28/2010 11:45:18
[POYTHRESS] Transcrip: 1791 Mecklenburg Co, VA will of Jesse TaylorBarbara NealI am posting this Will mainly to distinguish this man from others of
the same name. This Jesse Taylor (according to John W Pritchett's
"Southside Virginia Genealogies" p.3515 and 2951) was the grandson
named by Thomas Taylor, Senior, of Mecklenburg Co, VA, in Thomas' Will
which I posted here yesterday, 29 May 2010.

Being a grandson of Thomas Taylor Sr, Jesse was 1st cousin of Rebecca
B Taylor, the 2nd wife of Lewis Poythress. Rebecca's father was David
Taylor (who married Rebecca Dortch), one of the younger sons of Thomas
Taylor, Sr.

In his will, Thomas Taylor, Sr did not mention which of his sons was
father of Jesse. Logically, Jesse's father could have been Thomas
Sr's eldest son, Thomas Jr, since Thomas Sr did say that if Grandson
Jesse died before reaching lawful age or before marrying, then Jesse's
bequest was to go to "my Grandson Thomas Taylor" who he identified as
being the son of Thomas Taylor, Jr.

Regarding Jesse Taylor and the wife, Phebe, who Jesse named in his
will, we know they married in Mecklenburg Co, VA. Per Katherine
Elliott's "Marriage Records 1765-1810, Mecklenburg Co, VA" their
marriage bond was dated 27 Jun 1789. Consent was given by Henry
Moody, father of Phebe; surety was by Francis Moody [a brother of
Phebe]; minister was Thomas Scott.

As will be seen in Jesse's will below, his wife Phoebe was pregnant
with their first child when Jesse made his will on 5 Sep 1791. (We
know it was to be their first child since Jesse made no provision for
any then-living child, and left his estate to his wife and that unborn
child as "her heir" -- singular heir.)

According to John W Pritchett's "Southside Virginia Genealogies"
p.3515, Phoebe married 2nd Charles Campbell in Lincoln County, KY, 23
Sep 1793.

Transcription of will of Jesse Taylor, in full, from the Mecklenburg
County, Virginia, Will Book 3, p.95, from FHL microfilm roll # 32,518,
which covers Will Books 1-3 [Notations in square brackets are those
of transcriber Barbara Neal, May 30, 2010. Please note that in
Katherine Elliott's abstract of this same will on p.86 of her "Early
Wills 1765-1799, Mecklenburg Co, VA," Elliott said that Jesse left his
"Entire estate" to wife Phebe Taylor.]

In the Name of God Amen - I Jesse Taylor of the County of Mecklenburg
and Parish of St. James being in my perfect Sences mind And Memory
praised be God to Give Devise and Dispose of all my Worldly Goods and
Estate in Manner and form Following Viz: Imprimis I lend unto my
loving wife Phebe Taylor One Negro Man Named Cattoe During her Natural
life and I leave it in the power of My Executors if they think it
proper to Sell the said Negro and to buy another with the Same Money
that will Sute [suit] her Better to do it and after her Death I Do
Give unto her Child that She is now pregnant with, the said Negro and
all the profits that arises from the Estate to it [the child] and its
heirs for ever. I Do likewise Give unto wife Phebe Taylor one horse
and the [illegible word written small near right margin, end of which
word is on next line as "-der" remainder? undivider?] part of my
Estate to her and her heir forever. my Desire is that my Estate shall
Not be appraised. I also Appoint and Ordain Charles Burton and Henry
Moody Junior [Phebe's brother] to be Executors and Phebe Taylor
Executrix. to this my Last Will and Testament and in Witness whereof
I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my Seal this 5th day of
September Anno Dom 1791.
Signed Sealed published & Declared}
this to be my last will and Testament} Jesse Taylor (LS)
in presence of ---------------------------}
Henry Moody Senior [Phebe's father]
Elizabeth Moody [Phebe's mother]
Mary Moody [Phebe's sister]
=
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 13th day of February 1792 -
This will was proved by the oaths of Elizabeth Moody and Mary Moody
Witnesses thereto and Ordered to be recorded And on the motion of
Phebe Taylor (widow) the executrix therein named who made Oath thereto
and together with Francis Moody [Phebe's brother] and Henry Moody her
Securities entered into and Acknowledged their hand in the penalty of
five hundred pounds Conditioned as the Law directs Certificate was
granted her for Obtaining a probat[e] thereof in due form Liberty
being reserved for the executors therein secured to Join in the
probat[e] when they shall think fit,
Teste John Brown Ct Clk		05/30/2010 5:02:32
[POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress birth place & year in his 1846 affidavit for a TaylorBarbara NealI post this today with thanks to Sarah Poythress who pointed me to
this affidavit. Sarah earlier found and printed the affidavit during
a limited-time-free access of documents at Footnote.com. I then got a
one-week free-trial access to their now-premium-level collection of
Revolutionary War Pension Applications, and found the
below-transcribed 2 pages containing Lewis Poythress' affidavit, and a
certification of it. Immediately following it, below, is another page
from the file, which evaluated the widow's application on the basis of
Lewis' affidavit.

The applicant was "Mary or Polly Taylor" widow of Jesse Taylor, based
on his Virginia service as a Sergeant during the Revolution. Her
application was given Number "W.11598" and the jacket for the
application bears [Bounty Land Warrant number] "B.L.Wt.12705 -160-55"
The scans of the file come from the National Archives & Records
Administration (NARA) M804, Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty-Land
Warrant Application Files.

We learn from Lewis' own affidavit, made on 18 May 1846 in Mecklenburg
Co, VA, and from the Justice of the Peace's certification of it, that

- Lewis was born in Dinwiddie Co, VA about 1765 - 1786

- at age 80 Lewis' mind was apparently not impaired by age, per the J.P.

- Lewis lived in Brunswick Co, VA during the Revolutionary War,
before coming to Mecklenburg Co, VA

- Lewis had lived in Mecklenburg Co, VA since about 1786

- and it's nice to know Lewis was "a gentleman of the first
respectability" per the J.P.

Actually Lewis made a critical mis-statement in his affidavit: we
know that his first marriage bond was 27 Dec 1792 in Mecklenburg Co,
VA for his marriage to Elizabeth Giles. That marriage ended in her
death. He then soon married Rebecca B Taylor, per bond in Mecklenburg
Co, VA dated 9 April 1802. Thus as of his 18 May 1846 affidavit, he
had been married for a total of about 53.5 years in those two
consecutive marriages, NOT about 56 years as he stated. As we'll see
below that hurt the cause of Mary or Polly getting a pension.

Lewis was correct that Jesse and Mary or Polly Taylor were married
before he married, because per Mary or Polly's own statement, she and
Jesse Taylor married in the end of Aug or first part of Sept of 1792,
which was about 4 months before Lewis married Elizabeth Giles at the
end of Dec 1792. However, he said they were living together as
husband and wife "before 1792" which was likely wrong.

Further notes: The good news is that after nearly two more years, and
after more affidavits, and finally a special Act of Congress for her
relief on 14 August 1848, Mary or Polly Taylor finally got her widow's
pension. Pursuant to the Rev War Pension Act of 7 July 1838, after
her own special Act of Congress in Aug 1848, she got a pension of $120
per year, to commence retroactively, as of 7 April 1845, the date of
her initial application in Hamilton Co, IL.

Through the voluminous paperwork in the file, we learn other
interesting facts about this former resident of Mecklenburg Co, VA.
On 7 April 1845 she had stated she was 67 years old, thus born about
1777-1778.

We also learn her maiden name and her father's name: from Hamblen
Freeman's 7 Nov 1846 affidavit (when he was then living in her
county's adjacent Illinois county of Franklin) that he grew up in
Mecklenburg Co, VA, within 2 miles of the farm where the widow, Mary
Branton, daughter of James Branton, grew up.

Hamblen Freeman was about 3 years younger than she was and he clearly
recalled her marriage in about 1792 to Jesse Taylor because she was so
young and Jesse Taylor was "an old young Man" which age difference
"Created More than ordinary Conversation with this affiants
associates, and Among the Neighbors."

Freeman also testified that Jesse Taylor was known there to have
served in the Revolution as a Soldier and a Sergeant, and particularly
remembered his speaking of having been in the Battle of Guilford Court
house. Hamblen Freeman said he never heard the legality of Taylor's
marriage to Mary Branton questioned, and he never heard anyone dispute
Taylor's having been a Soldier & a Sergeant in the Revolutionary War.

Mary or Polly and her husband Jesse Taylor lived in Rutherford County,
Tennessee (the area around Murfreesboro - a little southeast of
Nashville), at the time he initially applied for a Revolutionary
pension on 17 January 1829. Jesse stated that he "enlisted in the
Continental line of the State of Virginia, of the Army of the
Revolution, for twelve months, and was in the service at the close of
the War; at which period I was an orderly Sergeant in Captain Ballard
company, in the then Regiment commanded by Colo: Samuel Meredith."
His pension application was rejected.

Unfortunately for us, Jesse Taylor gave no indication of his age when
he applied. I have not yet gleaned enough from the file, or from
other info, to determine exactly how this Revolutionary Sergeant,
Jesse Taylor, may have been related to the second wife of Lewis
Poythress, Rebecca B Taylor. I presume they were likely related,
because many years after Jesse Taylor and his widow had left
Mecklenburg Co, VA (at least by 1829), the widow, from Hamilton Co,
IL, was in touch with Lewis Poythress in Mecklenburg Co, VA, in order
to get Lewis' 1846 affidavit trying to help her get her widow's
pension.

Lewis' 2nd wife was daughter of David Taylor and Rebecca Dortch; and
she was granddaughter of Thomas Taylor, Sr, of Mecklenburg Co, VA
whose will I posted a transcription of yesterday, 29 May 2010. His 24
Oct 1772 will mentioned a grandson, Jesse Taylor. I'll also be
posting a transcription of a will of the Jesse Taylor who was
apparently that grandson, who died early in 1792 leaving wife Phoebe
(nee Moody), who was pregnant when he made his will on 5 Sep 1791.
Thus Thomas Taylor Sr's grandson Jesse Taylor (who had not yet been of
lawful age on 24 Oct 1772, and who died in early 1792) was not the
same person as today's posting's Jesse Taylor, Revolutionary Sergeant
who died about 40 years later.

Not only did the Revolutionary Sergeant Jesse Taylor's widow Mary or
Polly nee Branton get her widow's pension retroactively, but later she
applied by an affidavit dated 31 March 1855, (at which time she said
she was age 77, which is consistent with her earlier age of 67 on 7
April 1845), for Bounty Land which she apparently got, judging from
the Bounty Land Warrant number on her file's jacket. In presenting
that 1855 statement, other Hamilton Co, IL residents helped her: yet
another Jesse Taylor and Jane Taylor, who stated they were
disinterested parties in any land she would get; and H.W. Hall, the
Justice of the Peace certifying their statement added that he had seen
the widow's husband, Jesse Taylor, die.

The Revolutionary Sergeant Jesse Taylor had died 24 Feb 1832. From
Justice of Peace Hall having seen Jesse die, it seems likely he died
in Illinois (just 3 years after he had been in Rutherford Co, TN) in
the area of Hamilton County, IL -- county seat of which was then and
still is, McLeansboro, IL, which is about 30 miles into southern
Illinois from near the intersection of Kentucky & Indiana with that
eastern border of Illinois -- not far west of Evansville, Indiana, and
not far west of where the Ohio River (one of the "freeways" of that
day) forms the state line along between Kentucky and Indiana.]

=

[Transcribed from jpg image, Page 77, of the file for the
Revolutionary War Pension Application to Virginia by the widow of
Jesse Taylor. Image viewed at Footnote.com. Remarks inserted in
square brackets within the affidavit are remarks by Barbara Neal when
transcribing May 30, 2010]

Commonwealth of Virginia
Mecklenburg County
On this eighteenth day of May in the year one thousand eight
hundred and forty six before the subscriber one of the Justices of the
peace in and for the county aforesaid, personally appeared Lewis
Poythress a Citizen of Said County, who being first duly Sworn
according to the laws of the State of Virginia doth depose & Say:
That I am eighty years of age. I was born in the County of Dinwiddie
and lived in the County of Brunswick Va during the Revolutionary War,
and have resided in this county about sixty years. I was personally
acquainted with Jessee Taylor who formerly lived in this County. I
know that Jessee Taylor & Polly lived together as man and wife before
seventeen hundred and ninety two from the fact that they lived
together before I was married and I have been married fifty ["five"
was struck out here] six years. I know that Jessee Taylor & Polly
lived together several years before they had any child but do not
recollect precisely the number of years. I lived within three miles
of Jessee Taylor from the time I moved to this county until he moved
from this state. The names of his children were as follows. The
eldest was name Charles. Then William. Then James. Then John. Then
Jessee of the Boys and one Daughter by the name of Betsey. I know
that Jessee Taylor was reported & believed to have been a soldier in
the Revolution & I concur fully in the opinion from the fact that I
lived with Taylor one year & frequently heard him say that he served
in that war. Lewis (his X mark) Poythress

=
[Page 78 is the back side of page 77. Image viewed at Footnote.com.
The first two sections below are in one handwriting. The third
section of the page is in a different handwriting.]

The within deposition were subscribed and sworn to before [me?]
this 18th day of May 1846 Thos. Wartman, JP.

I certify that Lewis Poythress who has subscribed and sworn to the
within deposition is a credible witness that he is a gentleman of the
first respectability and his mind apparently not at all impaired by
age. Given under my hand this 18th day of May 1846.
Thomas Wartman JP.

Virginia
Mecklenburg County [??]Ct
I, Richard B Baptist Clerk of the County Court of said
County do hereby certify that Thomas Wartman is a magistrate as above
and that the forgoing signatures purporting to be his are genuine
[wax seal, covered by small square of paper]
In testimony whereof I hereto
set my hand and affix my
seal of office at office
this 28 day of May 1846
Rich'd B Baptist C

=
[Page 49, which is the Pension Office's evaluation of Mary or Polly
Taylor's widow's pension application after they received Lewis
Poythress' 18 May 1846 affidavit]

[at top center of page, this sheet indicates it was a copy of a letter:]
(Copy)
[return address portion, at upper right:]
Pension Office,
July 13th 1846

Sir,
I have the honor to inform you that the affidavit of Lewis Poythress
in the case of Mary or Polly Taylor, widow of Jesse Taylor, does not
furnish the proof of the date of their marriage heretofore required.

This witness states that he had been married fifty six years, and that
these parties were living together as husband and wife before his
marriage.

In her declaration, made in April 1845, Mary Taylor says that she is
aged sixty seven years, and alleges that her marriage took Place in
1792.

Agreeably, therefore, to her own statement, claimant was but fourteen
years old at the date of the consummation of that event. This witness
has placed the date thereof at a period more than two years prior to
that of Mary Taylor, when she must have been under twelve years of
age, which is altogether improbable.

[signature section which is on the right-hand side:]
I have the honor to be,
Very respectfully,
Your Obt. [obediant] Serv't. [servant]
J. L. Edwards
[on left side, at bottom:]
Hon. Sidney Breese,
Senate United States		05/30/2010 12:06:55
[POYTHRESS] 1 more in Rev War service in NC - our Lewis?Barbara NealLast year (on 5 March 2009) in an email captioned "NC indications of
Rev War service" I posted info on various Poythress & potential
fellows of different spellings, from Weynette Parks Haun's published
multi-volume series of NC Revolutionary Army accounts.

However I have realized I missed a name of one fellow of a first name
important to many of us. Somehow, I missed LEWIS PORTIS, who Haun
listed in her volume "North Carolina Revolutionary Army Accounts
(Treasurer's & Comptroller's Papers) - North Carolina Continental
Line, 1776-1783 - Part IX."

Lewis Portis was listed on that volume's page 1209 [Pages in that
volume of the series begin with p.1125.]

Lewis is shown as a private in Dixons Company of the NC Continental
Line. His date of enlistment was 15 April 1781, for 12 months, and in
the column headed "Occurrencies" his entry indicated the left service
on 25 April 1782.

I figure that in order for the above man to have enlisted in April of
1781, this Lewis Portis was likely born by 1765-ish. That fits with
the birth year info that Lewis Poythress, of Mecklenburg Co, VA, gave
for himself in his affidavit of 18 May 1846 in the Rev War Pension
application file of "Mary or Polly Taylor" widow of Jesse Taylor,
which affidavit I posted today.

The names in Haun's volume are as she pulled them from records filed
at the NC Archives as "S.115.52: Treasurer's and Comptoller's Papers
- Copy of a Register shewing the names alphabetically, rank, dates of
Commission and Enlistments, periods of service and occurrencies, taken
from the original muster and pay rolls of the North Carolina Line of
the late Army of the United States."

So add Lewis Portis to the below names I listed in my posting last year:

- The other first names I had culled from Haun included: John;
Hardyman/Hardiman/Hardy; Henry; Thomas; Odham/Odam/Odom; Francis;
William; and even Mary.

- The surnames were spelled not only Poythress, but also Poythes;
Poythrus; Poythis; Pythrus; Porthis; Portress; Portis; Portree;
Portoise; Poutoise; and even Porless figuring someone forgot to cross
the "l" to make a "t."

[And in case anyone should be going through original handwritten
records for many of those names back in that time frame, please
recognize that the name could look like it ends with a "p" instead of
"ss" because the proper way to write the double-s-set looked
remarkably like a lower-case "p" back in the Revolutionary era.]		05/30/2010 12:13:43
[POYTHRESS] Portis surname in NC (was: Re: Lewis Poythress R.S. Pension)SandyWhile I don't claim to know the history of the name, among the
"Portis" in NC was an Isaac Portis (apparently a cobbler by trade) on
whose land gold was discovered around 1835 - this near the junction of
Halifax/ Franklin/ Nash counties. To this day, it is still known as
the "Portis Gold Mine" (though no longer mined, insofar as I know).
Whether the name was "Poythress at some earlier time, I don't know,
but I'm not aware of it changing into "Poythress" at a later date.

Here are a couple of sites with pictures of the historic highway
marker for the mine:
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM7AZQ_Gold_Mines_E_89
http://www.rawls-family.com/rawlsbook/chapter12

Thornton Mitchell's Testator Index (1665-1900) lists the following NC
wills for this surname (none listed for Isaac, though)....
• George Portis, Edgecombe Co, 1776; Will Bk A, pg 244, original at NC Archives;
• John Portis, (no county indicated), 1794; Halifax District Superior
Court minutes 194; (original not extant);
• George Portis, Nash Co, 1776; Will Bk 1, p 97; (original at NC Archives)
none futher until...
• Abigail Portis, Cabarrus Co, 1966, Will Bk 2, p 142, (original at NC
Archives);
there's also one "Portus":
• Delphy Portus, Mecklenburg Co, 1811, Original only which is held at
NC Archives.

There may also be estate records, even though no will was left, but
I'm not aware of any statewide index at present to estate records,
which are kept at the county level. NC Archives should have all of the
extant early estate records, which are organized by county, I just
don't think there's a statewide index compiled, hence you have to
specify the county when making inquiry.

The are a good many "Portis" marriages listed in NC in the statewide
index to 1866, the earliest I spot is:
4 Feb 1780, Nash Co: John COX to Elizebeth PORTIS, Thos Hunt, bondsman.

Not sure if this helps or merely muddies the water.

-Sandy


On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:50 PM, John M. Poythress
wrote:
> Okay, yeah I did jump the gun.
>
> Re that name "Portis"
> I really don't doubt that come clerks may have recorded it Portis one time and another
> clerk
> as Poythress another time, Kirby Portis/Poythress being exhibit (a) although in later
> instances it
> seemed to have settled as Poythress.  He pretty much stayed in Southampton and he's
> Poythress on
> his R. S. pension application as I recall.
>
> I am still of a mind that we should regard "Portis" as a variant of Poythress with a bit
> of skepticism.  I had
> a lengthy exchange with a "real" Portis descendant from Southampton.  As unlikely as
> Portis sounds it was
> a Scottish family of long origins.  They have some proven "lines" that interestingly
> enough only cite Kirby
> as an "outsider."  And they also drifted down into N. C., although many families
> did.....free land or almost
> free was quite an incentive.
>
> Maynard
>		05/31/2010 1:18:23
Re: [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress R.S. PensionBarbara NealHey Maynard, hold your horses in check for a bit longer here. The
caption of your email (which this message responds to) is not
accurate: I have no indication yet that Lewis ever applied for a
Revolutionary pension for himself.

And your email jumps to another conclusion because we still don't have
proof that Lewis was son of Thomas.

The info I've posted this weekend has only indicated that

- Lewis on 18 May 1846 said he was age 80 and had been born in
Dinwiddie Co, VA without any mention of his daddy [This was on behalf
of "Mary or Polly Taylor" who was the one seeking a widow's pension
for the Rev War service of her husband Jesse Taylor]

- Lewis may well have been the one listed in NC records as Lewis
Portis, who served as a private in Dixons Company of the NC
Continental Line for a year, from 15 April 1781 to 25 April 1782.

In previous years I concentrated on Virginia Rev War participants. I
have not yet searched for any Rev War pensions or Bounty Land
applications for North Carolina. Obviously that now needs to be done.

Barbara		05/31/2010 8:11:36
[POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress R.S. PensionJohn M. PoythressBarbara, this one is the most specific reference I have thus far seen that Thomas
Poythress and family

originated in Dinwiddie, moved to Brunswick and subsequently to Mecklenburg. Lewis' birth
in

Dinwiddie is strong evidence to that effect. I always say "moved" with some reluctance;
new counties

were sprouting so quickly in that era there is always the chance the person stayed in one
place and the

ground underneath him changed its name.



I have worked the 'net about to death trying to find Thomas' parents. I think that will
likely cinch his

connection to immigrant Francis. I doubt there is more than one generation or at the most
two between

Thomas and Francis and if Batte's assumption is correct that will go through Francis, Jr.
But Dinwiddie

is a hard road to travel.



Is that likely our line of thinking now or does anyone have another idea?



Maynard




05/31/2010 9:28:05
Re: [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress R.S. PensionLou PooleI've learned from my genealogical wanderings that when someone crossed
that state line from VA to NC in the 18th Century, as often as not the
spelling of the surname became mangled. I don't really know why this
was so, but it was. It was, I suspect, a combination of phonetics,
with dialects. But I have certainly learned that there was a sharp
line in how people pronounced (apparently) and spelled names when the
state line was crossed.

VA Pond becomes Ponds and Pounds and even Pawn in NC. Wilkinson (VA)
becomes Wilkerson (NC). The more unusual the name, the more it was
corrupted. But it didn't even have to be that unusual. Unless you
searched for them, you won't believe how many strange variations you
will find in NC for the name Wheeler - Wheeles, or even Whelis, being
two of the more common variations. I've found that most often the
problem seems to be with "r" and "s" and the "th" sound; they were
either dropped, added, or interchanged, but unless it was a very
common name, it was almost always changed/misspelled when it came to
those sounds.

For what it's worth... And "Poythress" is just full of "r", "s" and
"th" sounds....

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John M. Poythress
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 3:51 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress R.S. Pension

Okay, yeah I did jump the gun.

Re that name "Portis"
I really don't doubt that come clerks may have recorded it Portis one
time and another
clerk
as Poythress another time, Kirby Portis/Poythress being exhibit (a)
although in later
instances it
seemed to have settled as Poythress. He pretty much stayed in
Southampton and he's
Poythress on
his R. S. pension application as I recall.

I am still of a mind that we should regard "Portis" as a variant of
Poythress with a bit
of skepticism. I had
a lengthy exchange with a "real" Portis descendant from Southampton.
As unlikely as
Portis sounds it was
a Scottish family of long origins. They have some proven "lines" that
interestingly
enough only cite Kirby
as an "outsider." And they also drifted down into N. C., although
many families
did.....free land or almost
free was quite an incentive.

Maynard		05/31/2010 10:18:57
Re: [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress R.S. PensionJohn M. PoythressOkay, yeah I did jump the gun.

Re that name "Portis"
I really don't doubt that come clerks may have recorded it Portis one time and another
clerk
as Poythress another time, Kirby Portis/Poythress being exhibit (a) although in later
instances it
seemed to have settled as Poythress. He pretty much stayed in Southampton and he's
Poythress on
his R. S. pension application as I recall.

I am still of a mind that we should regard "Portis" as a variant of Poythress with a bit
of skepticism. I had
a lengthy exchange with a "real" Portis descendant from Southampton. As unlikely as
Portis sounds it was
a Scottish family of long origins. They have some proven "lines" that interestingly
enough only cite Kirby
as an "outsider." And they also drifted down into N. C., although many families
did.....free land or almost
free was quite an incentive.

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
Barbara Neal
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 4:12
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress R.S. Pension

Hey Maynard, hold your horses in check for a bit longer here. The
caption of your email (which this message responds to) is not
accurate: I have no indication yet that Lewis ever applied for a
Revolutionary pension for himself.

And your email jumps to another conclusion because we still don't have
proof that Lewis was son of Thomas.

The info I've posted this weekend has only indicated that

- Lewis on 18 May 1846 said he was age 80 and had been born in
Dinwiddie Co, VA without any mention of his daddy [This was on behalf
of "Mary or Polly Taylor" who was the one seeking a widow's pension
for the Rev War service of her husband Jesse Taylor]

- Lewis may well have been the one listed in NC records as Lewis
Portis, who served as a private in Dixons Company of the NC
Continental Line for a year, from 15 April 1781 to 25 April 1782.

In previous years I concentrated on Virginia Rev War participants. I
have not yet searched for any Rev War pensions or Bounty Land
applications for North Carolina. Obviously that now needs to be done.

Barbara

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the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message		05/31/2010 10:50:58
Re: [POYTHRESS] Portis surname in NC (was: Re: Lewis Poythress R.S. Pension)Barbara NealHere's a quote from a message of last July that Maynard sent to me
regarding the Delphy mentioned in Sandy's Portis-name list. I quote it
here because it's appropriate, just as Lou pointed out in his email.

Maynard said
"In looking over the rest of that page where the abstract of Delphy’s
will is shown I wouldn’t be surprised at how that clerk spelled almost
anything. "

We all have to keep reminding ourselves that MANY, MANY people were
illiterate in the earlier centuries of our country.

On 18 May 1846, when Lewis Poythress "signed" his affidavit before the
literate person writing it up, Lewis used an "x" -- "Poythress" was
merely how the literate person in Mecklenburg Co, VA spelled his name.

More than 60 years earlier, for Lewis "Portis" 12 months of Rev War
service April 1781-1782, that I mentioned from Hahn's series on NC Rev
War service, the muster rolls and other lists Hahn culled info from --
please keep in mind those were all written down by a variety of
then-literate people who were attempting to record participants as
best they could.

Whether or now "our Lewis" was the fellow listed in 1781 in NC as
Lewis Portis, we can be assured Private Lewis himself was not the one
who spelled the name "Portis."

Hence the variety of surname spellings I gave from Hahn's volumes of
NC Rev War service that we need to keep an open mind about, whether
from her volumes or from many other sources of our country's earlier
centuries.		06/01/2010 4:19:21
[POYTHRESS] Edward Poythress - proven father of John Lewis Poythress? & response from Sarah Poythress for Roll CallBarbara NealBryan & all,
For some reason Sarah Poythress is receiving our Poythress list
messages that other people send, but the emails she tries to send to
the list are bouncing.

Her response to Bryan's roll call message (& to give her own roll call
response) keeps bouncing. After talking with her about the problem, I
had her send me personally what she wrote and I'm pasting it here for
her. Anyone having a response for Sarah can respond to the list, and
she will see the response. Thanks for any response re whether there
is proof of Edward Poythress being father of John Lewis Poythress,
Barbara
=
My name is Sarah Poythress and I am researching my husband's line We
know his g-grandparents were John Lewis & Tabitha Ann Nunn Poythress.
Every lead I have tried to prove their parentage has failed.
Bryan, I saw your post & wanted to know if you have proven Edward &
Mahaley Nance were the parents of John Lewis Poythress?
Sarah



06/01/2010 5:40:34
Re: [POYTHRESS] Portis surname in NC (was: Re: Lewis Poythress R.S. Pension)SandyRe: the 1811 LWT of Delphy Portus, I erred when I said it was a
Mecklenburg Co, NC, will. It was not, rather was made in Lincoln Co,
NC. Regardless, this is far west of the Halifax/Nash/Franklin area
where the Portis family of the Portis Gold Mine was located. I've no
idea if there was a connection. I've not seen the will or even an
abstract of Delphy Portus' will.

-Sandy

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Barbara Neal wrote:
> Here's a quote from a message of last July that Maynard sent to me
> regarding the Delphy mentioned in Sandy's Portis-name list. I quote it
> here because it's appropriate, just as Lou pointed out in his email.
>
> Maynard said
> "In looking over the rest of that page where the abstract of Delphy’s
> will is shown I wouldn’t be surprised at how that clerk spelled almost
> anything. "
>
> We all have to keep reminding ourselves that MANY, MANY people were
> illiterate in the earlier centuries of our country.
>
> On 18 May 1846, when Lewis Poythress "signed" his affidavit before the
> literate person writing it up, Lewis used an "x" -- "Poythress" was
> merely how the literate person in Mecklenburg Co, VA spelled his name.
>
> More than 60 years earlier, for Lewis "Portis" 12 months of Rev War
> service April 1781-1782, that I mentioned from Hahn's series on NC Rev
> War service, the muster rolls and other lists Hahn culled info from --
> please keep in mind those were all written down by a variety of
> then-literate people who were attempting to record participants as
> best they could.
>
> Whether or now "our Lewis" was the fellow listed in 1781 in NC as
> Lewis Portis, we can be assured Private Lewis himself was not the one
> who spelled the name "Portis."
>
> Hence the variety of surname spellings I gave from Hahn's volumes of
> NC Rev War service that we need to keep an open mind about, whether
> from her volumes or from many other sources of our country's earlier
> centuries.
>
>
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>		06/01/2010 6:02:17
Re: [POYTHRESS] Portis surname in NC (was: Re: Lewis Poythress R.S.Pension)John M. PoythressPoint granted. But in the interim I have made it a major item to try to "surround"
Portis'es on the record.
I have also tried to specifically zero in on two: Kirby Poythress of Southampton who
appears first as a Portis
and in all subsequent entries as Poythress...... as well as, tada!, the peripatetic Delphy
Cleaton/Poythress/Portis/Portrus/Portus who married (in seemingly rapid fire succession)
Poythress Cleaton, Reuben Wilkerson, and then left a NC will (as yet unfound) as a Delphy
Portis.

Delphy then (according to Sandy's information) turns up in Mecklenburg County, NORTH
CAROLINA (Charlotte).......so I suppose the lady is even more peripatetic than I realized.
Granted NC is not all that big North to South and granted she was likely right on the
migratory road to go South but that's still a long way for a lady to go. I'll stand down
immediately on seeing the record but just as a guess I'd speculate that is a trip the lady
probably didn't make.

Of course, in the interim those guys and clerks haven't gotten any more literate than they
were a year ago and
there is still likely to be a Poythress listed as a Portis somewhere. However, after
filling a dozen sheets of
penciled schematics with all the Portis data I could find (and it was a ton) they appear
to be only moderately
difficult (again excluding Kirby and Delphy) to roughly link to each other but awfully
tough to link to any
"real" Poythresses.

In the next couple of days I'll try to put together the ream of confusing material on
Delphy and make some
objective sense out of it, if that's even possible. Forbearance needed.

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
Barbara Neal
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 12:19
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Portis surname in NC (was: Re: Lewis Poythress R.S.Pension)

Here's a quote from a message of last July that Maynard sent to me
regarding the Delphy mentioned in Sandy's Portis-name list. I quote it
here because it's appropriate, just as Lou pointed out in his email.

Maynard said
"In looking over the rest of that page where the abstract of Delphy's
will is shown I wouldn't be surprised at how that clerk spelled almost
anything. "

We all have to keep reminding ourselves that MANY, MANY people were
illiterate in the earlier centuries of our country.

On 18 May 1846, when Lewis Poythress "signed" his affidavit before the
literate person writing it up, Lewis used an "x" -- "Poythress" was
merely how the literate person in Mecklenburg Co, VA spelled his name.

More than 60 years earlier, for Lewis "Portis" 12 months of Rev War
service April 1781-1782, that I mentioned from Hahn's series on NC Rev
War service, the muster rolls and other lists Hahn culled info from --
please keep in mind those were all written down by a variety of
then-literate people who were attempting to record participants as
best they could.

Whether or now "our Lewis" was the fellow listed in 1781 in NC as
Lewis Portis, we can be assured Private Lewis himself was not the one
who spelled the name "Portis."

Hence the variety of surname spellings I gave from Hahn's volumes of
NC Rev War service that we need to keep an open mind about, whether
from her volumes or from many other sources of our country's earlier
centuries.


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[POYTHRESS] Index, etc.John M. PoythressSandy, I think you smoked it out. The only text given was what I originally sent which
included a link

at the bottom to ArgiveGrid in which they presumably want one to buy a subscription.



Then, you turned up the exact same title at the LVA which is that "index" of the Batte
holdings which

only discloses that we fill up "box 18" and that's it.



I sort of suspected there was less there than we could hope for.........unless one of us
has lives in

Richmond and can bring it out 10 photocopies per day which the LVA at one time said was
the limit.

My guess is that chore would likely take about half a lifetime.



What a find if it would have been a gig of digital reproductions.



What a shame.



Maynard		06/02/2010 3:56:44
Re: [POYTHRESS] FW: ArchiveGriddoug huggettHave specific reference? I'll see if I can get in through my NCSU account.

Cindy

--- On Wed, 6/2/10, John M. Poythress wrote:

From: John M. Poythress
Subject: [POYTHRESS] FW: ArchiveGrid
To: poythress-l@rootsweb.com
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 5:20 PM

This one popped up as I was searching Thomas Poythress, Dinwiddie County, VA on JSTOR.  I
suspect it

is likely just a list of the "holdings" of RBB's papers at LVA (i. e. "box 18")
or.........it just might be that

somebody has written a commentary ("A Guide to, etc.).  If it's the latter it would likely
be a document

we would certainly want to have digitized and shared if legal to do so.



I could not access it myself and my U. of Louisville friend was as useless as usual.
Anybody with "academic

credentials" able to crack this one open?  Al?



Maynard







Collections matching Thomas Poythress Dinwiddie County, VA

A Guide to the R. Bolling Batte Papers, 1918-1992

Scope and Content Information Genealogical research files of Robert Bolling Batte,
including family research files, subject files and county research notes, extensive
information on the Batte, ...

See detailed descriptions of these and other related collections


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Re: [POYTHRESS] FW: ArchiveGriddoug huggett1.

The Poythress Family
The Poythress FamilyWilliam B. HallThe William and Mary Quarterly, Second Series, Vol. 15, No. 1 (Jan., 1935), pp. 45-72


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2.

The Poythress Family: A Study of Francis, Francis, Francis, and Francis
The Poythress Family: A Study of Francis, Francis, Francis, and FrancisWilliam B. HallThe William and Mary Quarterly, Second Series, Vol. 14, No. 1 (Jan., 1934), pp. 77-84


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3.

Virginia Council Ournals, 1726-1753 (Continued)
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Notes and Queries
Notes and QueriesThe Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Vol. 29, No. 1 (Jan., 1921), pp. 97-109


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Historical and Genealogical Notes and Queries
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Historical and Genealogical Notes and Queries
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These are JSTOR references to "Thomas Poythress" Dinwiddie that I get

Happy to dowload for anyone
CIndy

--- On Wed, 6/2/10, Sandy wrote:

From: Sandy
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] FW: ArchiveGrid
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 7:02 PM

I haven't found it via Jstor yet, but for now try this:
http://ead.lib.virginia.edu/vivaead/published/lva/vi00159.document

It might be what you're looking for.

-Sandy


On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:20 PM, John M. Poythress
wrote:
> This one popped up as I was searching Thomas Poythress, Dinwiddie County, VA on JSTOR.  I
> suspect it
>
> is likely just a list of the "holdings" of RBB's papers at LVA (i. e. "box 18")
> or.........it just might be that
>
> somebody has written a commentary ("A Guide to, etc.).  If it's the latter it would likely
> be a document
>
> we would certainly want to have digitized and shared if legal to do so.
>
>
>
> I could not access it myself and my U. of Louisville friend was as useless as usual.
> Anybody with "academic
>
> credentials" able to crack this one open?  Al?
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Collections matching Thomas Poythress Dinwiddie County, VA
>
> A Guide to the R. Bolling Batte Papers, 1918-1992
>
> Scope and Content Information Genealogical research files of Robert Bolling Batte,
> including family research files, subject files and county research notes, extensive
> information on the Batte, ...
>
> See detailed descriptions of these and other related collections
>
>
> Subscribe
>
>
> Faculty, researchers and students at academic institutions may have access to ArchiveGrid
> through a subscription provided by their institution. Consult your academic library to
> find out if your institution is an ArchiveGrid subscriber.
>
> ArchiveGrid subscription   ordering
> information is available.
>
>
>
>
>
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[POYTHRESS] FW: ArchiveGridJohn M. PoythressThis one popped up as I was searching Thomas Poythress, Dinwiddie County, VA on JSTOR. I
suspect it

is likely just a list of the "holdings" of RBB's papers at LVA (i. e. "box 18")
or.........it just might be that

somebody has written a commentary ("A Guide to, etc.). If it's the latter it would likely
be a document

we would certainly want to have digitized and shared if legal to do so.



I could not access it myself and my U. of Louisville friend was as useless as usual.
Anybody with "academic

credentials" able to crack this one open? Al?



Maynard







Collections matching Thomas Poythress Dinwiddie County, VA

A Guide to the R. Bolling Batte Papers, 1918-1992

Scope and Content Information Genealogical research files of Robert Bolling Batte,
including family research files, subject files and county research notes, extensive
information on the Batte, ...

See detailed descriptions of these and other related collections


Subscribe


Faculty, researchers and students at academic institutions may have access to ArchiveGrid
through a subscription provided by their institution. Consult your academic library to
find out if your institution is an ArchiveGrid subscriber.

ArchiveGrid subscription ordering
information is available.		06/02/2010 11:20:24
Re: [POYTHRESS] FW: ArchiveGridSandyI haven't found it via Jstor yet, but for now try this:
http://ead.lib.virginia.edu/vivaead/published/lva/vi00159.document

It might be what you're looking for.

-Sandy


On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:20 PM, John M. Poythress
wrote:
> This one popped up as I was searching Thomas Poythress, Dinwiddie County, VA on JSTOR.  I
> suspect it
>
> is likely just a list of the "holdings" of RBB's papers at LVA (i. e. "box 18")
> or.........it just might be that
>
> somebody has written a commentary ("A Guide to, etc.).  If it's the latter it would likely
> be a document
>
> we would certainly want to have digitized and shared if legal to do so.
>
>
>
> I could not access it myself and my U. of Louisville friend was as useless as usual.
> Anybody with "academic
>
> credentials" able to crack this one open?  Al?
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Collections matching Thomas Poythress Dinwiddie County, VA
>
> A Guide to the R. Bolling Batte Papers, 1918-1992
>
> Scope and Content Information Genealogical research files of Robert Bolling Batte,
> including family research files, subject files and county research notes, extensive
> information on the Batte, ...
>
> See detailed descriptions of these and other related collections
>
>
> Subscribe
>
>
> Faculty, researchers and students at academic institutions may have access to ArchiveGrid
> through a subscription provided by their institution. Consult your academic library to
> find out if your institution is an ArchiveGrid subscriber.
>
> ArchiveGrid subscription   ordering
> information is available.
>
>
>
>
>
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>		06/02/2010 12:02:14
[POYTHRESS] Transcrip: Lincoln Co, NC will of Delphy Portus 1811Barbara NealThis will is an incredibly vivid reminder of the illiteracy of many
people of its era.

Transcribed 5 Jun 2010 by Barbara Neal from 4 images of the original
will of Delphy Portus, which will had been filed in the NC Archives'
folder #1811 at some point, as that folder was also microfilmed with
its typed label. These images are from FHL microfilm # 1,572,062
"Lincoln County, North Carolina, wills and estate papers, 1663-1978
from North Carolina Division of Archives and History (Raleigh, North
Carolina)" -- this reel of which covers the original wills of "Lewis,
Mary - Reinhardt, Conrad"].

Note: spelling, capitalization, and punctuation below are as in the
original; square bracketed remarks or clarifications are
transcriber's. For readability here, the actual bequests are
separated into new paragraphs, though everything runs continuously in
one stream in the original. By my reading of the will, the name of
granddaughter Sarah Peterson is a married name. From Delphy's will we
get no indication of who her "Portus" husband was, or whether he was
already dead or not. Delphy likely had all of this property to
dispose of from her own earlier inheritance -- most likely from her
father or mother. Most likely any husband would have only given
Delphy the use of this property during her lifetime and left it
ultimately to a child.

[first image]
In the Name of God aMen I Delphy portus of north Carolina and County
of Lincoln Being in parfick mine and memary But week in Boddy and
Strenth thanks be to God for his meces [mercies] for the Same I first
Recomend my Soul to all mity [almighty] god that give it to me and my
Body to the Dust from whence it Came to Be Deasonly [decently] Buried
at the Discrasion of Executers not Douting [doubting] at the genaral
Reserection of the Dead I Shall Receve the Same a gain [again] By the
mity power of god and as lutching[?] my worley [worldly] Estate that
god has please to give me I Disspose of in the folling [following]
manner and form

I first Leave and Beqath [bequeath] to my Be Loved [beloved] Son James
Wilkson one Dollar his full Share

I also will to my Be Loved Dauter Lidy Childers one negro Boy named
Casy [or Cary? inksmudge on 3rd letter of name] to have the use of her
Life time and at her Death bo be Eaquilly Devid [equally divided] up
Between the ares [heirs] of her Boddy and what Ever way they think
propper

and I also Leave and Bequath to my Be Loved Dauter nancy Blakely one
Doler her full Share

and I allso Leave and Bequath to my Son Cary wilcason one negro Boy
named James his full Share of Estate

I also Leave and Bequath to my Be Loved Son John Wilcason [smudge] one
Dollar his full Share of my Estate

I also Leave and Be quath to my Be Loved Dauter Polly Lee one Dollar
her full Share of my Esstate

I also Leave and Be quath to ["Be" is x'd out] my "Loved Dauter'
Elizabeth Ginnans [Jennings?] one negro girl

[2nd image]

[scratched out is the top line of writing, which appears to have earlier read:
"named Savannah her full Share of my Estate"]

named Savannah and after paying all my just Debts I aLow [allow] her
the Ballans [balance] of my Esstate

Except one fether Bed that I usely [usually] Ly on I Leave and Be
quath to my grandauter Dephy Childers and a negro man named BoLon[? or
RoLon?] to any of my Children that he is willing to Live with or that
will Ceap [keep] him

and one Doller to my too [two] Grand Childern Sarah peterson and Cary
Wilcason Dauter and Son of my Son Reuben Willcason

and I have a point [appointed] my Son James Wilcason and James Lee
juner [Junior] my hoal [whole?] Soul Executors and non others

and Re Voke all other wills and forms and all other Esecuters and a
Low [allow] this to Be my Last will and testament

Signed Sealed and acnowLedge in the prsents of us this 20th Day of may
in the year of Lord one thousand Eight hundred and ElevOn,

Delpha (her X mark) Portars [the "t" in her surname was uncrossed] (seal)

test Aann Sherill
Alex McCarkill[?] Jurat
William Stacy [the "a" of his surname is open enough that it could be "u"]

[lower on page and over toward the right, in the clearer handwriting
of a Clerk:]
James Wilkeson Executor Seaosn[?]
July Sessions 1811


[3rd image - label that was written on one portion of the back by the
Clerk, who was obviously a more literate person with better
handwriting & spelling]

Lincoln County -- July Sessions 1811 --
The within last will and Testament was proved in
Open Court by the Oath of Alex McCorkle and admitted
to Record
Witness Danl. all. Forney [or Forny] Clk


[4th image - labeling written on another fold of the back, in two
handwritings, first of which is that of the body of the will and
second of which is the Clerk's]

Delpha
her will
Portus ["t" not crossed]
-
Delphy Portus's
Will
July Sess. 1811
[note: the Clerk did not lift his pen between finishing the top loop
of the "8" and doing the downstroke of the "1" in 1811, such that some
might mis-read the date as 1871]		06/05/2010 12:30:28
[POYTHRESS] Vance Co, NC heritage book infoBarbara NealSince Vance Co, NC (in the area of Henderson, NC) is a county of many,
many Poythress names in at least the past 100 years, a number of you
may be interested in knowing that there will be a Vance County [NC]
Heritage Book published. The deadline for submissions to the
committee preparing it has been extended, according to Sarah who
alerted me about the book, to Sept 2010. (Their earlier deadline was
March 15, 2010)

The address is:
Vance Co., NC Heritage - 2010
PO Box 1941
Henderson, NC 27536-1941

You can see their entire flier (including submission info & price of
the upcoming book) at their website address. I am purposely inserting
some blank spaces which you will need to eliminate to use the website,
so just copy this and paste it together without any blanks:
county-heritage .com/ nc/ vance		06/07/2010 1:27:33
[POYTHRESS] Delphy Portus & Wilkinson - Lincoln Co, NCSandyKeeping in mind that I know absolutely *nothing* about Delphy Portus,
I noticed that the witness to the LWT on whose oath it was proved in
court was an Alexander McCorkle. *Possibly* there's a connection here.

The following comes from the book, 'Annals of Lincoln County, North
Carolina," by William L. Sherrill, a minister of the Methodist
Episcopal Church, South; published 1937, Charlotte, NC:

Chapt VIII (1801-1811), beginning pg 62, he tells of the line of Major
Francis McCorkle, son of Matthew McCorkle, of Scotch Irish descent, an
early settler in Rowan (now Lincoln) - a member of the Rowan Committee
of Public Safety in 1774-75, who lived in Mountain Creek, about two
miles north of Denver. According to this, Francis McCorkle married
Sarah, daughter of Alexander WORK, by whom he had 3 children, among
them:
Alexander Work McCorkle, b July 25, 1775, "an influential man in
Lincoln County and while never an office holder, was active in
politics as a Whig. He died January 26, 1854. Bachelor."
(according to thi all these children are buried in the McCorkle family
graveyard and death dates are found on their tombstones; birth and
marriage dates taken from family records.)
Anyway... back to Alex's papa Francis McCorkle who married a second
time to Elizabeth (Betsy) BRANDON, daughter of Richard & Margaret
Locke Brandon of Rowan.
Among the children of Francis McCorkle and Betsy Brandon were:
Sarah, b Oct 21, 1784, married JOHN WILKINSON

So... *IF* that John Wilkinson is one-and-the-same as Delphy's son, it
seems possible that Alexander McCorkle, the witness who proved
Delphy's LWT, *might* have been the stepbrother of John's "wife.
On the other hand, he just might've been a family acquaintance who
witnessed the will. 🙂

On pg 25:
1779. Roll of Company of Lt. Col. W.L. Davidson, Apr 23,
1779. Pension office, Book entitled 'North Carolina' not paged.
Copied from Orderly book of Sergeant Isaac Rowel
Edward Yarborough, 1st Lt.; REUBEN WILKINSON, 2nd Lt.
(then list of several privates)

On pg 50, within a list of Lincoln County pensioners, is:
James Wilkinson, paid $84.63, Va. Militia, 4 March 1831.

I have no idea if any of this helps or merely muddies the waters, but there
you have it.

-Sandy		06/07/2010 3:27:40
Re: [POYTHRESS] TestJohn M. PoythressReceived okay. Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
Dale and Sarah Poythress
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:55
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Test

This is a test to see if my mail is going through now.

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Transcrip: Lincoln Co, NC will of Delphy Portus 1811 CORRECTEDBarbara NealHere, just to have the record straight, I am correcting a few of my
own typos (which were fairly inconsequential in the face of the
original's many odd spellings) and inserting in square brackets two
more proposed clarifications of words.

Transcribed 5 Jun 2010 by Barbara Neal from 4 images of the original
will of Delphy Portus, which will had been filed in the NC Archives'
folder #1811 at some point, as that folder was also microfilmed with
its typed label. These images are from FHL microfilm # 1,572,062
"Lincoln County, North Carolina, wills and estate papers, 1663-1978
from North Carolina Division of Archives and History (Raleigh, North
Carolina)" -- this reel of which covers the original wills of "Lewis,
Mary - Reinhardt, Conrad"].

Note: spelling, capitalization, and punctuation below are as in the
original; square bracketed remarks or clarifications are
transcriber's. For readability here, the actual bequests are
separated into new paragraphs, though everything runs continuously in
one stream in the original. By my reading of the will, the name of
granddaughter Sarah Peterson is a married name. From Delphy's will we
get no indication of who her "Portus" husband was, or whether he was
already dead or not. Delphy likely had all of this property to
dispose of from her own earlier inheritance -- most likely from her
father or mother. Most likely any husband would have only given
Delphy the use of this property during her lifetime and left it
ultimately to a child.

[first image]
In the Name of God aMen I Delphy portus of north Carolina and County
of Lincoln Being in parfick mine and memary But week in Boddy and
Strenth thanks be to God for his meces [mercies] for the Same I first
Recomend my Soul to all mity [almighty] god that give it to me and my
Body to the Dust from whence it Came to Be Deasonly [decently] Buried
at the Discrasion of Executers not Douting [doubting] at the genaral
Reserection of the Dead I Shall Receve the Same a gain [again] By the
mity power of god and as lutching [? perhaps "touching" was the
intended word, though the "t" was not crossed -- maybe intended like
we would say "touching on"] my worley [worldly] Estate that god has
please to give me I Disspose of in the folling [following] manner and
form

I first Leave and Beqath [bequeath] to my Be Loved [beloved] Son James
Wilkson one Dollar his full Share

I also will to my Be Loved Dauter Lidy Childers one negro Boy named
Casy [or Cary? inksmudge on 3rd letter of name] to have the use of her
Life time and at her Death to be Eaquilly Devid [equally divided] up
Between the ares [heirs] of her Boddy and what Ever way they think
propper

and I also Leave and Bequath to my Be Loved Dauter nancy Blakely one
Doler her full Share

and I allso Leave and Bequath to my Son Cary wilcason one negro Boy
named James his full Share of Estate

I also Leave and Bequath to my Be Loved Son John Wilcason [smudge] one
Dollar his full Share of my Estate

I also Leave and Be quath to my Be Loved Dauter Polly Lee one Dollar
her full Share of my Esstate

I also Leave and Be quath to ["Be" is x'd out] my "Loved Dauter'
Elizabeth Ginnans [Jennings?] one negro girl

[2nd image]

[scratched out is the top line of writing, which appears to have earlier read:
"named Savannah her full Share of my Estate"]

named Savannah and after paying all my just Debts I aLow [allow] her
the Ballans [balance] of my Esstate

Except one fether Bed that I usely [usually] Ly on I Leave and Be
quath to my grandauter Dephy Childers and a negro man named BoLon[? or
RoLon?] to any of my Children that he is willing to Live with or that
will Ceap [keep] him

and one Doller to my too [two] Grand Childern Sarah peterson and Cary
Wilcason Dauter and Son of my Son Reuben Willcason

and I have a point [appointed] my Son James Wilcason and James Lee
juner [Junior] my hoal [whole?] Soul Executors and non others

and Re Voke all other wills and forms and all other Executers and a
Low [allow] this to Be my Last will and testament

Signed Sealed and acnowLedge in the persents [presence] of us this
20th Day of may in the year of Lord one thousand Eight hundred and
ElevOn,

Delpha (her X mark) Portars [the "t" in her surname was uncrossed] (seal)

test Aann Sherill
Alex McCarkill[?] Jurat
William Stacy [the "a" of his surname is open enough that it could be "u"]

[lower on page and over toward the right, in the clearer handwriting
of a Clerk:]
James Wilkeson Executor Seaosn[?]
July Sessions 1811


[3rd image - label that was written on one portion of the back by the
Clerk, who was obviously a more literate person with better
handwriting & spelling]

Lincoln County -- July Sessions 1811 --
The within last will and Testament was proved in
Open Court by the Oath of Alex McCorkle and admitted
to Record
Witness Danl. all. Forney [or Forny] Clk


[4th image - labeling written on another fold of the back, in two
handwritings, first of which is that of the body of the will and
second of which is the Clerk's]

Delpha
her will
Portus ["t" not crossed]
-
Delphy Portus's
Will
July Sess. 1811
[note: the Clerk did not lift his pen between finishing the top loop
of the "8" and doing the downstroke of the "1" in 1811, such that some
might mis-read the date as 1871]		06/07/2010 3:49:19
[POYTHRESS] Deduced children of Delphy (unkn maiden) Portus [Poythress?]Barbara Neal>From Delphy's 1811 will (made 20 May; proved in July 1811), we can
deduce that she apparently married her second husband,
first-name-unknown "Portus" [or Poythress?] after her childbearing
years.

Further, we can deduce the following 8 children from her Wilkinson
marriage, for which I am using more common/likely spellings of their
names:

- son Reuben Wilkinson may have been Delphy's eldest son; Reuben was
deceased by May 1811 when Delphy made bequests of $1 each to her
likely-2nd and -3rd grandchildren, who were described as Reuben's
children: Sarah Peterson and Cary Wilkinson

- son James Wilkinson, first named son and executor along with James Lee Jr

- daughter Lidy Childers, who was apparently mother of Delphy's
first-named granddaughter Delphy Childers [I am presuming the
granddaughter was correctly first-named Delphy in honor of Grandma;
that she was the eldest grandchild since she was the first-named
grandchild; and from her getting Grandma's featherbed, she was likely
the apple of Grandma's eye]

- daughter Nancy Blakely

- son Cary Wilkinson

- son John Wilkinson

- daughter Polly Lee, who was apparently married to the other
executor (with Delphy's son James Wilkinson), James Lee or James Lee
Jr.

- daughter Elizabeth Jennings		06/07/2010 6:47:51
Re: [POYTHRESS] TestJudy scruggsGot it from Atlanta, Ga.


--- On Mon, 6/7/10, James A. Smith wrote:


From: James A. Smith
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Test
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 5:32 PM


Got it in North Florida.


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On Behalf Of Dale and Sarah Poythress
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:55 PM
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[POYTHRESS] TestDale and Sarah PoythressThis is a test to see if my mail is going through now.



06/07/2010 9:55:12
Re: [POYTHRESS] TestBarbara NealLooks like Sarah, your computer is indeed healed and working properly - hurray!



06/07/2010 10:24:10
[POYTHRESS] Transcrip: 1783-1784 re Delphy Whitlow remarried widow of Poythress CleatonBarbara NealIn my studied opinion, this Delphy below (another woman of unknown
maiden name) is a completely different woman than the Delphy "Portus"
whose 1811 will I transcribed from the records of Lincoln Co, NC, and
for whom we have no definitive link to Mecklenburg Co, VA.

This other Delphy [below] is one who has been mentioned previously in
our List messages through the years. What we know about her comes
from two Mecklenburg Co, VA documents; for her we have no definitive
link to North Carolina.

I think Delphy was a popular first name for females, in roughly the
1750-1850 time frame; my husband's Neal/Neel line has a woman of the
same first name who was in Georgia in the first half of the 1800s.

The first document re this Delphy who was widow of Poythress Cleaton,
is one Maynard Poythress included in his
compilation of Mecklenburg Co, VA records. He listed it as follows,
from the Mecklenburg Co, VA Order Book 5, p.421:
3 Sep 1783
It appearing to the Court by a note proved by the Oath of Lewis
Williams that Delphy Whitlow widow of Poythress Cleaton deced has
relinquished her right of administration to Stephen Mabry. On the
motion of the said Stephen certificate is granted him for obtaining
letters of administration on the estate of Poythress Cleaton deced he
having made Oath and together with Lewis Williams his security entered
into and acknowledged their Bond in the penalty of five hundred pounds
conditioned as the law directs.
=
Now, regarding the Administration of Poythress Cleaton's estate, today
I have transcribed the only additional document that I currently know
of, below. My knowledge of this document originally came from
Katherine Elliott's "Early Wills (1765-1799) of Mecklenburg Co,
Virginia," p.136, on which Elliott indicated that Poythress Cleaton's
Inventory and Appraisal record were recorded in Mecklenburg Co, VA
Will Book 2, p.70. Her abstract indicated the said Inventory and
Appraisal were conducted 25 Sep 1783 and recorded 9 Aug 1784, with it
having been conducted by Appraisers John Eppes, Charles Coppedge, John
Smith. [I note that the microfilmed document on that page that I saw
does not spell the appraisers' names quite as Elliott spelled them.]

Transcribed today by Barbara Neal is that Inventory and Appraisal of
the estate of Poythress Cleaton, from Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 2,
p.70. Note that the said Appraisement is the ONLY document indexed
for any "Cleaton" in the internal index of Will Book 2, as seen in
reel of FHL microfilm 32,518 covering Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 2.
[p.70]
This administration account and the report annexed were returned
into Mecklenburg County Court the 9th day of August 1784 and Ordered
to be recorded. Teste
John Brown, Ck. Curt.
[From the above line on which "Teste" is written, there is a diagonal
line going down to the left marginal note, below. It appears to me
that the above clerk notation at the top of the page may pertain to
the following entry for Poythress Cleaton, whose estate we know was
handled as an "Administration" which is used when someone dies without
a will]
[left marginal notation:]
Poy: Cleaton's}
apprais't }
[a notation that could be the number "12" with both digits run
together tightly, or that could be the single capital letter "G"
appears in the margin beneath the above label and above the following
date. Might that be "G" for when the Administration of the estate was
Granted for the deceased? I don't know. Katherine Elliott, who had
read and abstracted more of these documents, indicated 25 Sep 1783 was
the date the Inventory was made.]
Sept'r 25, 1783 [end of marginal notation]
-
An Inventory of the estate of Poythress Cleaton deced [Note: in
this listing of estate contents with amounts (in pounds, shillings,
and pence) for each, the amounts are at the right edge forming a
column. The column is not totalled. In order for the amounts to more
clearly form a column in this transcription, I am listing the amounts
on the left rather than the right. For clarity, I will separate the 3
amount column divisions (for pounds, shillings, and pence) with
commas, and will insert a dash for any blank columnar portion of an
amount]
[begining of inventory]
65,-,- [for] Tom a negro fellow £40 _ [and on same line] One mare & filley £25
4,5,- [for] One Womans Saddle £3 _ [and on same line] One mans Saddle
& Bridle £1,5
8,17,6 [for] Two Tables [valued respectively at 7 shillings and 6
pence for the line total to be correctly given] 7/6 _ [and on the same
line] Two Beds Bedsteads & furniture £8,10,-
1,18,- One Loom 15/ [15 shillings]. [and on same line] One Flax wheel
£1 _ [and on same line] One Stone pitcher 3/ [3 shillings]
1,12,6 One Dutch oven 10/ [10 shillings]. One Jug 2/6 [2 shillings, 6
pence] _ A quantity of pewter £1
1,8,6 Knives & forkes 1/6 [1 shilling, 6 pence] _ [and on same line]
Two Iron potts & hooks 15/ [15 shillings]. One hand saw 12/ [12
shillings]
-,12,9 Sundry Tools 9/ [9 shillings]. One Iron Skillet 2/6 [2
shillings, 6 pence] _ [and on same line] One Auger 1/3 [1 shilling, 3
pence]
-,9,- One Tub & one pale [pail] 5/ [5 shillings]. [and on same line]
One Corn Barrell 2/6 [2 shillings, 6 pence] _ [and on same line] One
1/2 [half-] Bushell 1/6 [1 shilling, 6 pence]
-,5,6 One Hymn Book 3/ [3 shillings]. One Slay [sleigh] 2/6 [2
shillings, 6 pence]
[signed as submitting the Inventory:]
John Epps
Charles Coppage
John Smith
=
This Inventory and appraisement was returned into Mecklenburg County
Court the 9th day of August 1784 and Ordered to be recorded. Teste
John Brown Ck. Curt.
[again a diagonal line goes down from the line on which "Teste" is
written, to the next entry's left marginal notation for the next
appraisal for a different person]		06/07/2010 10:54:33
Re: [POYTHRESS] TestJames A. SmithGot it in North Florida.


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[POYTHRESS] James P. PoythressJohn M. PoythressFor Linda especially and any others interested. Here are a couple of likely useless
tidbits on James P.

Poythress, neither of which will shed any light on the main question which is where did he
come from

and/or from whom was he descended.



I picked these up on a search through the Lexisnexis.com library. The text was:



Black Studies Research Sources (400+ pages)

Microfilm from Major Archival and Manuscript Collections

General Editors: John H. Bracey, Jr. and Sharon Harley



Specific title:

Race, Slavery & Free Blacks, Series II, Petitions to Southern County Courts

1775-1867



For genealogical study, the references aren't very precise. It appears to me that editors
Bracey and

Harley were probably just building a huge laundry list of slaves as mentioned in court
processes, likely

as perhaps a finding aid for blacks doing genealogical research. The entries don't cite
any dates or

particulars and appear to be incomplete abstracts intent mainly on recording the white
man's name and

the name of the slave along with the gist of the legal issue.



Here are the two:



[Year 1820]



0057 (Accession # 20682018). Scrivin County, Georgia. James P. Poythress sues Job
Herrington for

damages of $ 2,000 and slander. Poythress enjoyed a solid reputation in his community
until he was

charged by Herrington of harboring and concealing runaway slaves. Specifically, he was
accused of

harboring Sam, Herrington's property. Because of these accusations and allegations
Poythress has

incurred legal expenses. He was acquitted and discharged from any wrongdoing. Now, he
sues for

damages.



[Year 1823]



0327 (Accession # 20682311). Scrivin County, Georgia. John Connelly alledges that James
P. Poythress

owes 43.50 to him. Poythress promised to pay him for the reasonable worth of the services
of the slave

Poythress hired from him. In addition, Connelly claims he provided services as a
physician to Poythress'

children. This debt, like that for the slave's hire, has gone unpaid. Connelly sues for
$87 in damages.

[no slave is named].



The "code" for these is in the accession # in case you find any more like it. First digit
(2) indicates the

county court. Next two digits (06) are the state, Georgia in this instance. Next three
digits (823 for example)

is the year of the case with the "1" omitted and the last two digits are the number of the
accession for that

particular category for the year in question. As I said, it didn't appear that Bracey and
Harley had

genealogical identification as much of a priority.



Whatever. I suppose all that these tell us is that James P. was in Screven County in the
two years in question

but I think we already knew that. And, I'm guessing if he was dealing in slaves, even in
this tangential way,

it's not likely he was living on dirt floors. Maybe these snippets will ultimately serve
some purpose and I

didn't want you to be without them.



Maynard		06/08/2010 4:16:19
Re: [POYTHRESS] Deduced children of Delphy (unkn maiden) Portus [Poythress?]Barbara NealAs houseguests are pulling in momentarily, before I'm off-line for a
while, I just want to respond to an off-List message re Delphy (unkn
maiden) 1st-marr-Wilkinson & 2nd-marr-"Portus" --

(1) Yes, it may well fit for Delphy's Wilkinson-husband having been
the Reuben Wilkinson who Maynard has previously mentioned, though I'll
have to check that logic later when I have more time. One tidbit in
that direction is that her apparently-eldest-son's name was Reuben
Wilkinson.

(2) No, we have NO evidence that she named a daughter "Peterson" --
one of Delphy's 3 grandchildren who were named in her will -- her
granddaughter (daughter of son Reuben Wilkinson) was listed in the
1811 will as Sarah Peterson. Sarah logically had been named at birth
"Sarah Wilkinson" by her own mom (whose name we do not know) & dad
(Reuben Wilkinson), and then when Sarah grew up, she later married a
Peterson -- whether or not the male Peterson who Delphy's
granddaughter Sarah married was any kin to any other Peterson would be
a separate matter to explore.
Barbara		06/09/2010 8:34:21
Re: [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress birth place & year in his 1846 affidavit for a TaylorBarbara NealLyn Baird, whose messages are for some reason not reaching our List,
sent me a copy of the below email he had tried to send to the List.

And yes, I had made a typo regarding Lewis' deduced birth year. I
should have said that from the Rev War Pension Application of Mrs.
Taylor, Lewis was indicating by his then-age and his statement that he
had been "Born in Dinwiddie Co, VA in about 1765-1766." [not 1765-1786
as my typo had indicated]
Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Lyn Baird [mailto:lyn.baird@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 7:38 PM
To: 'poythress@rootsweb.com'
Subject: RE: [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress birth place & year in his
1846affidavit for a Taylor

Barbara (and Sarah), thank you so much for sharing this wonderful addition
to our knowledge of Lewis Poythress - an age, a birth county, a transition
through Brunswick to Mecklenburg. As a descendent, I'm especially thrilled.
This aligns nicely with our other information about him, and reinforces this
is one and the same person.

[Did you mean to write: "Lewis was born in Dinwiddie Co, VA about 1765 -
1766" ?]

--Lyn Baird		06/12/2010 4:48:10
Re: [POYTHRESS] Condolences - Dora Tudor Poythress of Lawrenceville, VABarbara NealSorry: I neglected to mention that Dora Tudor Poythress, who died 12
Jun 2010, was shown as age 74 in the obit of today in the Richmond
Times-Dispatch.
Barbara		06/13/2010 1:45:41
[POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress' g-gson Ollie R Poythress [Sr] marr in Warren Co, NCBarbara NealBased purely on the name of "Ollie R. Poythress, Jr." who survived his
wife, Dora Tudor Poythress, who passed away at 74 yesterday in
Lawrenceville, Brunswick Co, VA, it seems likely to me that the below
entry from Warrenton, Warren Co, NC would be the father of Dora's
surviving husband.

Warren Co, NC is the adjacent to both the western part of Brunswick
Co, VA, and the eastern part of Mecklenburg Co, VA.

I note that the parents listed in the below marriage record for Ollie
R Poythress ["Sr," I propose] -- Richard & Rosa Poythress -- are
recognizable as the Richard Poythress who was born in Mecklenburg Co,
VA in Apr 1865, who on 8 Feb 1888 in Mecklenburg Co, VA, married Rosa
Burton (daughter of Lucas Burton & Caroline "Pink" Baird).

That Richard Poythress was a son of Thomas M. Poythress & Lucy J Thomas.

The parents of that Thomas M Poythress were Lewis Poythress and
Rebecca B Taylor.

Thus Ollie R Poythress ["Sr"] of the below marriage record was a
great-grandson of Lewis Poythress. So if Ollie R Poythress, Jr
(today's surviving husband of Dora Tudor Poythress) is son of this
Ollie, then Ollie Jr would be a great-great-grandson of Lewis.

>From FamilySearch.org's NC Marriages:
Marr. License: 8 Jul 1925 Warrenton Township, Warren Co, NC
Groom: Ollie R Poytheus [sic], white male, age 21 [so imputed dob 1904-1905]
Groom's parents: Richard & Rosa Poytheus [sic]
Bride: Jenny Smiley, white female, age 18 [so imputed dob 1907-1908]
Bride's parents: James & Fannie Smiley
Family History Library film # 453,663 [which reel covers Warren Co, NC
Marriage Licenses 1925-1934], p.143		06/13/2010 2:12:54
Re: [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress' g-gson Ollie R Poythress [Sr] marr in Warren Co, NCBarbara NealCorrection to the earlier message, to correct the "circa" birth years
of the groom and the bride of the below-mentioned 1925 Warren Co, NC
marriage.

Based purely on the name of "Ollie R. Poythress, Jr." who survived his
wife, Dora Tudor Poythress, who passed away at 74 yesterday in
Lawrenceville, Brunswick Co, VA, it seems likely to me that the below
entry from Warrenton, Warren Co, NC would be the father of Dora's
surviving husband.

Warren Co, NC is the adjacent to both the western part of Brunswick
Co, VA, and  the eastern part of Mecklenburg Co, VA.

I note that the parents listed in the below marriage record for Ollie
R Poythress ["Sr," I propose] -- Richard & Rosa Poythress -- are
recognizable as the Richard Poythress who was born in Mecklenburg Co,
VA in Apr 1865, who on 8 Feb 1888 in Mecklenburg Co, VA, married Rosa
Burton (daughter of Lucas Burton & Caroline "Pink" Baird).

That Richard Poythress was a son of Thomas M. Poythress & Lucy J Thomas.

The parents of that Thomas M Poythress were Lewis Poythress and
Rebecca B Taylor.

Thus Ollie R Poythress ["Sr"] of the below marriage record was a
great-grandson of Lewis Poythress.  So if Ollie R Poythress, Jr
(today's surviving husband of Dora Tudor Poythress)  is son of this
Ollie, then Ollie Jr would be a great-great-grandson of Lewis.

>From FamilySearch.org's NC Marriages:
Marr. License:  8 Jul 1925 Warrenton Township, Warren Co, NC
Groom:  Ollie R Poytheus [sic], white male, age 21 [so b. circa
1903-1904 depending on whether his birthday was before or after 8
July]
Groom's parents: Richard & Rosa Poytheus [sic]
Bride:  Jenny Smiley, white female, age 18 [so b. circa 1906-1907
depending on whether her birthday was before or after 8 July]
Bride's parents:  James & Fannie Smiley
Family History Library film # 453,663 [which reel covers Warren Co, NC
Marriage Licenses 1925-1934], p.143		06/13/2010 3:57:06
[POYTHRESS] Condolences - Dora Tudor Poythress of Lawrenceville, VABarbara NealOur condolences go out to the family of Dora Tudor Poythress, of
Lawrenceville, VA, who died 12 Jun 2010. Her full obituary was
published in the Richmond Times-Dispatch on Sunday 13 June 2010.
Information from it notes that she's survived by her husband Ollie R.
Poythress, Jr; three children, Skeeter Poythress, Abbe Thomas, and
Mitzi Powell (husband Tracy); three grandchildren, Justin Thomas,
Annie Poythress, and Allison Powell. Graveside service 2pm Monday 14
Jun at Oakwood Cemetery in Lawrenceville. Arrangements by Williams
Funeral Home, Lawrenceville. Memorial contributions may be made to
either Lawrenceville Volunteer Fire Dept Auxiliary (15328 Christanna
Hwy., Lawrenceville, VA 23868) or Brunswick Academy Dora T Poythress
Scholarship Fund (2100 Planters Rd, Lawrenceville, VA 23868).		06/13/2010 7:19:09
Re: [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress' g-gson Ollie R Poythress [Sr] marr inWarren Co, NCPatThanks Barbara, that really helps as far as whether it might ultimately find
a connection to my William Poythress, wife Julia, of Greensville County. VA
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Neal"
To: "Poythress List"
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:12 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress' g-gson Ollie R Poythress [Sr] marr
inWarren Co, NC


> Based purely on the name of "Ollie R. Poythress, Jr." who survived his
> wife, Dora Tudor Poythress, who passed away at 74 yesterday in
> Lawrenceville, Brunswick Co, VA, it seems likely to me that the below
> entry from Warrenton, Warren Co, NC would be the father of Dora's
> surviving husband.
>
> Warren Co, NC is the adjacent to both the western part of Brunswick
> Co, VA, and the eastern part of Mecklenburg Co, VA.
>
> I note that the parents listed in the below marriage record for Ollie
> R Poythress ["Sr," I propose] -- Richard & Rosa Poythress -- are
> recognizable as the Richard Poythress who was born in Mecklenburg Co,
> VA in Apr 1865, who on 8 Feb 1888 in Mecklenburg Co, VA, married Rosa
> Burton (daughter of Lucas Burton & Caroline "Pink" Baird).
>
> That Richard Poythress was a son of Thomas M. Poythress & Lucy J Thomas.
>
> The parents of that Thomas M Poythress were Lewis Poythress and
> Rebecca B Taylor.
>
> Thus Ollie R Poythress ["Sr"] of the below marriage record was a
> great-grandson of Lewis Poythress. So if Ollie R Poythress, Jr
> (today's surviving husband of Dora Tudor Poythress) is son of this
> Ollie, then Ollie Jr would be a great-great-grandson of Lewis.
>
>>From FamilySearch.org's NC Marriages:
> Marr. License: 8 Jul 1925 Warrenton Township, Warren Co, NC
> Groom: Ollie R Poytheus [sic], white male, age 21 [so imputed dob
> 1904-1905]
> Groom's parents: Richard & Rosa Poytheus [sic]
> Bride: Jenny Smiley, white female, age 18 [so imputed dob 1907-1908]
> Bride's parents: James & Fannie Smiley
> Family History Library film # 453,663 [which reel covers Warren Co, NC
> Marriage Licenses 1925-1934], p.143
>
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>		06/14/2010 4:02:52
[POYTHRESS] Addressing Poythress name appearing in Bruton Parish Church, Williamsburg, VABarbara NealI am copying here the message I sent to a good friend today, who had
just learned that the Poythress name appears on a plaque in the
church:

Yes, there is a Poythress name shown on the memorial at Bruton Parish
Church at Williamsburg. i think you'll be interested in this, as "the
rest of the story" (as Paul Harvey would say). Years ago I tried to
learn more, including whether he had been a member there. I wrote the
church regarding their plaque in the church which gives the names of
Peter Poythress and other ancestors of Mr. & Mrs. Peter H. Mayo of
Powhatan Seat, near Richmond, Virginia.

The letter I received in response to my query, dated 22 April 1993,
from their Acting Historian, J. Paul Hudson, clarified [and I'm using
a slash mark "/" to separate his letter's paragraphs here]:

"Our incomplete church records do not reveal that Peter Poythress
was ever a member of Bruton Parish Church. The Rev. William Archer
Rutherfoord Goodwin, in his book "The Record of Bruton Parish Church"
[published 1941 by Dietz Press, Richmond, VA], mentions Peter
Poythress only once -- his name on the plaque donated by the Mayos
many years ago, in honor of their 'ancestors.' / As mentioned above,
our records are very incomplete, but the ones in existence do not
reveal that Peter Poythress ever owned a pew in Burton church. / In
another book written by Dr. W.A.R. Goodwin, "Historical Sketch of
Bruton Church," published in 1903, no mention is made of any member of
the Poythress family. It appears that the name of Peter Poythress on
the plaque in the church was listed because he was an 'ancestor' of
the Mayo family, not because he was a member of Bruton Parish Church.
/ The records from the old parish records may be found in [the first
above-mentioned book by Dr. Goodwin, 1941]. Very sincerely..."		06/14/2010 5:45:53
[POYTHRESS] Addressing Pocahontas' alleged connection to PoythressBarbara NealAll, I do NOT wish for our List to go off on a tangent on this, but I
do want to have this info posted on the Poythress List so that it will
be more easily retrievable in our Message Archives for those who
search on the name Pocahontas trying to find out about her alleged
connection to our line. Thus, I'm copying here the info I've sent
today to a dear friend who had just quoted the alleged connection in
an email sent to a number of Poythress folks, off our List. As
Maynard has often said something to the effect of "Poythress may be
the only early Virginia line assuredly NOT connected to Pocahontas."

I wrote:
Also, I must attempt below to correct the many-generations
misinterpretation about Pocahontas having a connection to the
Poythress family. The alleged proof of Pocahontas' son Thomas Rolfe
marrying a Poythress girl was misinterpreted and has been much quoted
and passed down; even my own grandfather had heard it and repeated it
as if it was gospel. Please bear with the below, more factual,
explanation of how the misinterpretation apparently happened.

An extensive look at the alleged proof was done in the August 1985
issue of the Virginia Genealogical Society's quarterly -- Magazine of
Virginia Genealogy [below abbreviated "MVG"], Vol.23 Number 3,
appearing on pages 3-16 in the article "The Descendants of Pocahontas:
An Unclosed Case" by Elizabeth Vann Moore and the esteemed Richard
Slatten. Their article included on p.14 a photo of the original
flyleaf of a book that had been the alleged proof of that marriage.

That copy of the flyleaf, however, shows the name of the wife of
Pocahontas' son Thomas as "Miss Payers" -- Please be aware that
Payers, as well as Pyers, were then-alternate spellings of the surname
"Peirce" -- say them aloud and draw out the diphthong of the
pronunciation, and you can detect that.

After Pocahontas' death in England in March 1617, her widower John
Rolfe left his infant son Thomas to be placed in the care of a brother
and returned to Virginia and a 3rd marriage. About 1619 John Rolfe
married his 3rd wife, Jane Peirce, daughter of Lieut. William Peirce.
They had a daughter, Elizabeth born in 1620. When her father, John
Rolfe drafted and signed his will 10 March 1621 [old style date; 1622
by the current calendar], he spelled his wife's maiden name "Pyers" as
he commended his two small children to the care of her father, Lt.
Pyers, gentleman.

The mis-interpretation that promoted "Poythress" instead of
Payers/Pyers/Peirce came from Wyndham Robertson, who was a Bolling
descendant, who consulted some hand-written sketchy notations
regarding Bolling genealogy, made over several generations, on the
flyleaf of a book held in the Bolling library, some of which marks
were crossed out attempting to correct them.

That flyleaf was in a book (Purvis's "A Complete Collection of All the
Laws of Virginia" published in 1684) which book was held by the
Bolling family, including Robert Bolling, Jr., who was born 25 January
1682, per an entry on the flyleaf.

In the MVG article [with my own square bracketed comments; parentheses
were in the article] on page 13 -15, preceding and following the photo
of the flyleaf on p.14, it is noted re this man, Robert Bolling, Jr,
"He was son of Anne Stith and made no claim of descent from
Pocahontas. On the opposite page [near his birth entry] appears the
notation 'Ex libris, Robert Bolling, jun: 1704.' Someone else later
wrote after the birthdate on the flyleaf 'our grt grt gnd father'
mistaking son for father. Still later, someone realizing the mistake,
crossed out the claim of parenthood. That person, however, let stand
the sketchy chart of the descent and descendants of John Bolling. The
annotator was obviously a descendant of John, for the descendants of
Robert knew they were not descended from Pocahontas. Interestingly,
Thomas Rolfe here [in the sketchy chart] is recorded as married to a
'Miss Payers.' We recall that in [Thomas' father] John Rolfe's will
the name of his [John's] third wife was spelled Pyers (Peirce) and
that it was John who married a 'Jane.' Here again a Bolling
descendant confused a son with his father. Not recognizing the name
'Payers' as another variant Peirce, someone searched the records for a
name beginning with 'P' and having a 'y' in the first syllable. A
Francis Poythress [also spelled Poythers in some records of the 1600s]
lived in adjacent Charles City County and his name ended in 's!'"

>From the same MVG article, p.12: "W.G. Stanard, in his 1894
"Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents," in Virginia Historical Magazine,
(Vol. I, 1894, pp.446-7) comments on the Rolfe family and on Thomas
Rolfe's posterity "His wife is said to have been a Miss Poythress (if
so doubtless a daughter of Francis Poythress), and he had one child,
Jane, who married Colonel Robert Bolling, of Kippax [plantation name],
Prince George [County, Virginia]."

Stanard apparently got his above "said to have" marriage for Thomas,
from Wyndham Robertson a few years earlier. The MVG article, near top
of p.15: Wyndham Robertson, a Bolling descendant, wrote [on p.30 of
his 1887 volume] Pocahontas Alias Matoaka and Her Descendants
(Richmond, 1887):
"I adopt 'Jane Poythress' (not Poyers), whom he is stated in the
'Bolling Memoirs' to have married in England." [MVG article
continues:] He added in justification of his charming 'adoption' of
an ancestress, "no such name as Poyers is anywhere known ... the
family of Poythress was already settled in Virginia."

To quote the 1985 MVG article a little further down p.15: "The result
has been the acceptance of a non-existant personage, 'Jane Poythress,"
in the Bibles of Virginia genealogy as the bona fide ancestress of
many illustrious Virginians. Who the wife (or wives) of [John Rolfe's
son] Thomas Rolfe may have been remains an unanswered question."

With best regards in your own Poythress-huntings, with hope that we'll
all better interpret our own Poythress lines than some have done
through history -

Barbara		06/14/2010 5:51:35
Re: [POYTHRESS] Addressing Pocahontas' alleged connection to Poythressnancy netterThank you Barbara,
 
Facebook has a Poythress surname page. I have seen this confusion posted on Facebook.
 
NJNetter



 






06/14/2010 11:32:05
Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress roll callnancy netterI descend from the Benjamin Poythress  line (aka Huxter) living in Petersburg, VA.
 
His son George Alexander Poythress, (musician) living in Lynchburg, VA.
 
George's daughter, Alice Magnolia Poythress, who married Rupert Cable, living in Rockingham and Greensboro, NC.
 
NJNetter



 






06/14/2010 11:45:41
Re: [POYTHRESS] Addressing Pocahontas' alleged connection to Poythressstevew602I believe that it was Maynard (or maybe Lou) who said that proving a connection to Pocahontas was the second most popular indoor sport in Virginia ;->

-----Original Message-----
>From: Barbara Neal
>Sent: Jun 14, 2010 1:51 PM
>To: Poythress List
>Subject: [POYTHRESS] Addressing Pocahontas' alleged connection to Poythress
>
>All, I do NOT wish for our List to go off on a tangent on this, but I
>do want to have this info posted on the Poythress List so that it will
>be more easily retrievable in our Message Archives for those who
>search on the name Pocahontas trying to find out about her alleged
>connection to our line. Thus, I'm copying here the info I've sent
>today to a dear friend who had just quoted the alleged connection in
>an email sent to a number of Poythress folks, off our List. As
>Maynard has often said something to the effect of "Poythress may be
>the only early Virginia line assuredly NOT connected to Pocahontas."
>
>I wrote:
>Also, I must attempt below to correct the many-generations
>misinterpretation about Pocahontas having a connection to the
>Poythress family. The alleged proof of Pocahontas' son Thomas Rolfe
>marrying a Poythress girl was misinterpreted and has been much quoted
>and passed down; even my own grandfather had heard it and repeated it
>as if it was gospel. Please bear with the below, more factual,
>explanation of how the misinterpretation apparently happened.
>
>An extensive look at the alleged proof was done in the August 1985
>issue of the Virginia Genealogical Society's quarterly -- Magazine of
>Virginia Genealogy [below abbreviated "MVG"], Vol.23 Number 3,
>appearing on pages 3-16 in the article "The Descendants of Pocahontas:
>An Unclosed Case" by Elizabeth Vann Moore and the esteemed Richard
>Slatten. Their article included on p.14 a photo of the original
>flyleaf of a book that had been the alleged proof of that marriage.
>
>That copy of the flyleaf, however, shows the name of the wife of
>Pocahontas' son Thomas as "Miss Payers" -- Please be aware that
>Payers, as well as Pyers, were then-alternate spellings of the surname
>"Peirce" -- say them aloud and draw out the diphthong of the
>pronunciation, and you can detect that.
>
>After Pocahontas' death in England in March 1617, her widower John
>Rolfe left his infant son Thomas to be placed in the care of a brother
>and returned to Virginia and a 3rd marriage. About 1619 John Rolfe
>married his 3rd wife, Jane Peirce, daughter of Lieut. William Peirce.
>They had a daughter, Elizabeth born in 1620. When her father, John
>Rolfe drafted and signed his will 10 March 1621 [old style date; 1622
>by the current calendar], he spelled his wife's maiden name "Pyers" as
>he commended his two small children to the care of her father, Lt.
>Pyers, gentleman.
>
>The mis-interpretation that promoted "Poythress" instead of
>Payers/Pyers/Peirce came from Wyndham Robertson, who was a Bolling
>descendant, who consulted some hand-written sketchy notations
>regarding Bolling genealogy, made over several generations, on the
>flyleaf of a book held in the Bolling library, some of which marks
>were crossed out attempting to correct them.
>
>That flyleaf was in a book (Purvis's "A Complete Collection of All the
>Laws of Virginia" published in 1684) which book was held by the
>Bolling family, including Robert Bolling, Jr., who was born 25 January
>1682, per an entry on the flyleaf.
>
>In the MVG article [with my own square bracketed comments; parentheses
>were in the article] on page 13 -15, preceding and following the photo
>of the flyleaf on p.14, it is noted re this man, Robert Bolling, Jr,
>"He was son of Anne Stith and made no claim of descent from
>Pocahontas. On the opposite page [near his birth entry] appears the
>notation 'Ex libris, Robert Bolling, jun: 1704.' Someone else later
>wrote after the birthdate on the flyleaf 'our grt grt gnd father'
>mistaking son for father. Still later, someone realizing the mistake,
>crossed out the claim of parenthood. That person, however, let stand
>the sketchy chart of the descent and descendants of John Bolling. The
>annotator was obviously a descendant of John, for the descendants of
>Robert knew they were not descended from Pocahontas. Interestingly,
>Thomas Rolfe here [in the sketchy chart] is recorded as married to a
>'Miss Payers.' We recall that in [Thomas' father] John Rolfe's will
>the name of his [John's] third wife was spelled Pyers (Peirce) and
>that it was John who married a 'Jane.' Here again a Bolling
>descendant confused a son with his father. Not recognizing the name
>'Payers' as another variant Peirce, someone searched the records for a
>name beginning with 'P' and having a 'y' in the first syllable. A
>Francis Poythress [also spelled Poythers in some records of the 1600s]
>lived in adjacent Charles City County and his name ended in 's!'"
>
>>From the same MVG article, p.12: "W.G. Stanard, in his 1894
>"Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents," in Virginia Historical Magazine,
>(Vol. I, 1894, pp.446-7) comments on the Rolfe family and on Thomas
>Rolfe's posterity "His wife is said to have been a Miss Poythress (if
>so doubtless a daughter of Francis Poythress), and he had one child,
>Jane, who married Colonel Robert Bolling, of Kippax [plantation name],
>Prince George [County, Virginia]."
>
>Stanard apparently got his above "said to have" marriage for Thomas,
>from Wyndham Robertson a few years earlier. The MVG article, near top
>of p.15: Wyndham Robertson, a Bolling descendant, wrote [on p.30 of
>his 1887 volume] Pocahontas Alias Matoaka and Her Descendants
>(Richmond, 1887):
> "I adopt 'Jane Poythress' (not Poyers), whom he is stated in the
>'Bolling Memoirs' to have married in England." [MVG article
>continues:] He added in justification of his charming 'adoption' of
>an ancestress, "no such name as Poyers is anywhere known ... the
>family of Poythress was already settled in Virginia."
>
>To quote the 1985 MVG article a little further down p.15: "The result
>has been the acceptance of a non-existant personage, 'Jane Poythress,"
>in the Bibles of Virginia genealogy as the bona fide ancestress of
>many illustrious Virginians. Who the wife (or wives) of [John Rolfe's
>son] Thomas Rolfe may have been remains an unanswered question."
>
>With best regards in your own Poythress-huntings, with hope that we'll
>all better interpret our own Poythress lines than some have done
>through history -
>
>Barbara
>
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I		06/14/2010 12:45:12
Re: [POYTHRESS] FW: Transcrip: Lincoln Co, NC will of Delphy Portus 1811John M. PoythressKenneth, great to hear from a Wilkinson signing in on this mystery lady who may or may not
be two ladies

named Delphy. I have just this day assembled every shred of paper I have on Delphy (s)
and will be working

on a time line.



For the moment I'll punt your specific question to Barb Poythress Neal via a copy to the
Poythress website

which has about 75 or so members. You have certainly added a couple of interesting
tidbits to the mix.



Thanks for letting us hear from you. This chase is very much alive although many of us
are tiring.

You'll be copied on whatever I do in the near future.



Maynard (Poythress)



_____

From: Kennethkbw2@aol.com [mailto:Kennethkbw2@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:07
To: vkratliff@insightbb.com
Subject: Re: FW: [POYTHRESS] Transcrip: Lincoln Co, NC will of Delphy Portus 1811



IN THE DENWIDDIE CO VA COURTHOUSE IS A SHIRERIFF RECORD OF A DISPUTE BETWEEN JAMES
WILKINSON AND A MEMBER OF THE POYTHRESS FAMILY THAT WAS SETTLED IN JAMES WILKINSON'S
FAVOR. THERE ARE STILL LIVING IN DENWIDDIE CO VA MEMBERS OF THE POYTHRESS FAMILY. HAVE
E-MAILED THEM WITH NO REPLY. MOST OF THE FAMILY BELEIVES THAT DELPHY'S LAST NAME AT DEATH
WAS INDEED DUE TO A SECOND MARRIAGE ALTHOUGH MR.POYTHRESS DID NOT MAKE IT TO NC. WE CAN
ACCOUNT FOR ALL CHILDREN MENTIONED IN THE WILL EXCEPT RUBEN WILKINSON AND HIS CHILDREN. MY
GUESS IS THAT THEY STAYED IN VA. ALL THIS COULD BE ANSWERED IF THE FAMILY BIBLE COULD
FOUND ! WHEN JAMES APPLIED FOR PENSION FOR THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR HE STATED THAT THE BIBLE
WAS IN THE HANDS OF HIS SISTER NANCY BLAKLEY. I BELIEVE SHE IS BURRIED IN THE SMYRNA METH.
CHURCH GRAVEYARD IN LINCOLN OR CATAWABA CO. CAN YOUR BARBRA POYTHRESS NEAL TRACE HER
FAMILY ? LET ME KNOW SENCERLY YOURS , KENNETH BANDY WILKINSON II



In a message dated 6/5/2010 11:18:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vkratliff@insightbb.com
writes:

It appears that one of our group, Barbara Poythress Neal, has located and transcribed the
1811 will of our Delphy Clay/Whitlow/Cleaton/Wilkerson/Portus (Poythress?).....or whatever

combination of husbands this lady may have had. The numerous legatees look to offer us
some
reason to believe she and the Mecklenburg County, VA lady are one in the same. All the
male legatees appear to be named Wilkerson and the female surnames would likely be
the married names of daughters.

Would any of this clarify the plot enough for any one of you to sketch a documented (in
part
anyway) time line for Delphy now?

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
Barbara Neal
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:30
To: Poythress List
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Transcrip: Lincoln Co, NC will of Delphy Portus 1811

This will is an incredibly vivid reminder of the illiteracy of many
people of its era.

Transcribed 5 Jun 2010 by Barbara Neal from 4 images of the original
will of Delphy Portus, which will had been filed in the NC Archives'
folder #1811 at some point, as that folder was also microfilmed with
its typed label. These images are from FHL microfilm # 1,572,062
"Lincoln County, North Carolina, wills and estate papers, 1663-1978
from North Carolina Division of Archives and History (Raleigh, North
Carolina)" -- this reel of which covers the original wills of "Lewis,
Mary - Reinhardt, Conrad"].

Note: spelling, capitalization, and punctuation below are as in the
original; square bracketed remarks or clarifications are
transcriber's. For readability here, the actual bequests are
separated into new paragraphs, though everything runs continuously in
one stream in the original. By my reading of the will, the name of
granddaughter Sarah Peterson is a married name. From Delphy's will we
get no indication of who her "Portus" husband was, or whether he was
already dead or not. Delphy likely had all of this property to
dispose of from her own earlier inheritance -- most likely from her
father or mother. Most likely any husband would have only given
Delphy the use of this property during her lifetime and left it
ultimately to a child.

[first image]
In the Name of God aMen I Delphy portus of north Carolina and County
of Lincoln Being in parfick mine and memary But week in Boddy and
Strenth thanks be to God for his meces [mercies] for the Same I first
Recomend my Soul to all mity [almighty] god that give it to me and my
Body to the Dust from whence it Came to Be Deasonly [decently] Buried
at the Discrasion of Executers not Douting [doubting] at the genaral
Reserection of the Dead I Shall Receve the Same a gain [again] By the
mity power of god and as lutching[?] my worley [worldly] Estate that
god has please to give me I Disspose of in the folling [following]
manner and form

I first Leave and Beqath [bequeath] to my Be Loved [beloved] Son James
Wilkson one Dollar his full Share

I also will to my Be Loved Dauter Lidy Childers one negro Boy named
Casy [or Cary? inksmudge on 3rd letter of name] to have the use of her
Life time and at her Death bo be Eaquilly Devid [equally divided] up
Between the ares [heirs] of her Boddy and what Ever way they think
propper

and I also Leave and Bequath to my Be Loved Dauter nancy Blakely one
Doler her full Share

and I allso Leave and Bequath to my Son Cary wilcason one negro Boy
named James his full Share of Estate

I also Leave and Bequath to my Be Loved Son John Wilcason [smudge] one
Dollar his full Share of my Estate

I also Leave and Be quath to my Be Loved Dauter Polly Lee one Dollar
her full Share of my Esstate

I also Leave and Be quath to ["Be" is x'd out] my "Loved Dauter'
Elizabeth Ginnans [Jennings?] one negro girl

[2nd image]

[scratched out is the top line of writing, which appears to have earlier read:
"named Savannah her full Share of my Estate"]

named Savannah and after paying all my just Debts I aLow [allow] her
the Ballans [balance] of my Esstate

Except one fether Bed that I usely [usually] Ly on I Leave and Be
quath to my grandauter Dephy Childers and a negro man named BoLon[? or
RoLon?] to any of my Children that he is willing to Live with or that
will Ceap [keep] him

and one Doller to my too [two] Grand Childern Sarah peterson and Cary
Wilcason Dauter and Son of my Son Reuben Willcason

and I have a point [appointed] my Son James Wilcason and James Lee
juner [Junior] my hoal [whole?] Soul Executors and non others

and Re Voke all other wills and forms and all other Esecuters and a
Low [allow] this to Be my Last will and testament

Signed Sealed and acnowLedge in the prsents of us this 20th Day of may
in the year of Lord one thousand Eight hundred and ElevOn,

Delpha (her X mark) Portars [the "t" in her surname was uncrossed] (seal)

test Aann Sherill
Alex McCarkill[?] Jurat
William Stacy [the "a" of his surname is open enough that it could be "u"]

[lower on page and over toward the right, in the clearer handwriting
of a Clerk:]
James Wilkeson Executor Seaosn[?]
July Sessions 1811


[3rd image - label that was written on one portion of the back by the
Clerk, who was obviously a more literate person with better
handwriting & spelling]

Lincoln County -- July Sessions 1811 --
The within last will and Testament was proved in
Open Court by the Oath of Alex McCorkle and admitted
to Record
Witness Danl. all. Forney [or Forny] Clk


[4th image - labeling written on another fold of the back, in two
handwritings, first of which is that of the body of the will and
second of which is the Clerk's]

Delpha
her will
Portus ["t" not crossed]
-
Delphy Portus's
Will
July Sess. 1811
[note: the Clerk did not lift his pen between finishing the top loop
of the "8" and doing the downstroke of the "1" in 1811, such that some
might mis-read the date as 1871]

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the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message		06/23/2010 3:46:55
[POYTHRESS] Delphy Et AlJohn M. PoythressJust so we can maintain our senses of humor, I just finished a short history of the
Okeefenokee Swamp,

not a very professional job written back in the 40's. I inherited it in my mother's
library.



It briefly recounts an 1820 Seminole raid into the swamp resulting in the death of 12 of
13 family members.

The one survivor was a 12 year old lad named, what else, Reubin Wilkinson.



Aaargh.



Maynard		06/23/2010 3:54:25
Re: [POYTHRESS] James P. PoythressBarbara NealThanks, Maynard for posting the Lexisnexis-indexed entries to 1820 &
1823 Screven [GA] County Court cases you found regarding James P
Poythress. Those two court items are recapped in the first sentence
of the below items #1 and #2.

For further context on James P Poythress:

[1] 1820, when James P Poythress sued Job Herrington for damages
after being acquitted of false charges of harboring and concealing
runaway slave Sam, is also the year when we have James P Poythress in
the Screven Census, showing:
[the 1820 Census taken as of the first Monday of Aug]
Screven Co, GA: Poythrer/
Poythres, James - pg. 254, 1 M under 10, 1 M 26-44, 3 F under 10, 1 F
26-44, 1 F slave under 14, 1 F slave 14-25. [Thus, we can figure that
James P Poythress was born by about 1794, since he was in the age
26-44 bracket here]

1819-1820 in Screven Co, GA is also my guesstimate of the timing of
another item -- Per Jeannette Holland Austin's book, "Georgia
Intestate Records," p.177 [note that this item may give us an identity
for the "1 M under 10" in the above-mentioned Screven Census]:
William Kelly was bound to James Poythress, [Bpn note: presumably
this would be a boy who Poythress was bound to train, feed, and house.
Children who could not be supported by their own family, for example
whose father had died, were often those who were "bound" to the care
of a responsible person in the community capable of and willing to
take on this responsibility]
Austin's code for this entry indicates it was from p.96 of the
Index to Screven Co, GA Minutes Court of Ordinary, Book I (which Book
covered 1811-1829).
Austin showed no date for that p.96 portion of the Minutes, but
other Minutes references Austin listed have pages extending to at
least p.199, so I'm guesstimating that an entry on p.96 within a
roughly 200-page volume would have been about 1819-1820 within the
1811-1829 period covered in the Minutes Book I.

[2] In 1823 when Poythress was sued by John Connelly for $87 in
damages for an unpaid debt of $43.50 Poythress owed for services of a
slave Poythress hired from Connelly & for Connelly's physician
services to Poythress' children. Maynard mentioned that the slave was
not named. It's also a darned shame that Dr. Connelly didn't
specifically name Poythress' children who he had treated; that could
have helped a lot.

By 6 Aug 1823 James P Poythress was a Captain in Screven Co -- Per
the GA Archives General Name Index, his dates as Captain in Screven
were 6 Aug 1823 to 30 Jan 1827.

[3] In 1825 the Masonic Georgia Grand Lodge first had Records to
Report from Screven County. The report was from Farmers Lodge No.33 of
Jacksonborough, Georgia. The listed officers and membership of the
lodge included William Smith and James P. Poythress, EA. [This info
re the Masons in Screven came from p.35 of Clyde Hollingsworth's 1947
book, "Pioneer Days: A History of the Early Years in Screven County"]

[4] Again from Austin's GA Intestate Records:
- James Poythress was listed as gdn [guardian], for William Platt, on
p.157 of Screven Minutes Court of Ordinary Book I
- and on p.196 of the same Screven Minutes Court of Ordinary Book I,
James Poythress was released as gdn for William Platt.
Again, Austin showed no date for the p.157 and p.196 portions of
the Minutes, but from Book I covering 1811-1829 and having about 200
pages of entries that Austin showed entries from, until such time as
the book can be examined we can guesstimate that p.157 may have been
about 1825 and p.196 may have been about 1829.

[5] On 10 Feb 1827, in the then-Florida Territory, specifically in
the Florida panhandle immediately below the SW corner of GA, land was
acquired by J P Poythress (Paythness, as transcribed by Miles Kenan
Womack Jr. in his 1976 book, "Gadsden: A Florida County in Word and
Picture." On Womack's p.296, in the listing of Gadsden County
Original Land Patents 1826-1830, is listed "J.P. Paythness" with the
land of described as follows, and the date of 19 Feb 1827: Land
Office Receipt for E 1/2 SE 1/4 Sec 7 T2N R2W [typo in book showed
R3W, but original document from Bureau of Land Management shows it to
be R2W]
1 Jun 1827 is the date that Certificate No.1110 [available at the
Bureau of Land Management - abbreviated BLM below] was signed for this
land, again described as the E 1/2 SE 1/4 Sec 7 T2N R2W
[Per Linda Clark Smith, this land which James P. Poythress got in
1827 is not the same land which the present-day Gadsden Co, FL
Poythress-related families know as the "Poythress homeplace."
Note: The original 1827 location of James P's land is
approximately 5 miles east of Quincy, the county seat; his land east
of Little River and is immediately south of small Lake Tallavana -- Co
Rd 270 now goes east-west through the southern part of James P's land
of 1827.
Per "Little River Pioneers" (1998 book compiled & edited by Miles
Kenan Womack, Jr., Thomas Ray Knox, & Nina Watson Cottrell), J.P.
Porythness (sic) was among the "land seekers attracted and homesteaded
this area [the Little River area]." Linda earlier explained to me
that per her reading in "Little River Pioneers," the authors stated
that many of the early settlers moved from the area where James' 1827
land was located, after living there for a few years. Many moved back
to areas from which they came, namely back to various parts of
Georgia, while other families moved on westward in Gadsden County and
even to further points beyond. It is believed the fact that Indians
were still around in at that time was a factor in the moves of many
families. So it does seem logical to find other Poythress land in the
western part of Gadsden County, as will be seen for James P Poythress
below in item #12.

[6] Jan 1828: The same two Masons listed at #3 above, James P
Poythress and William Smith, were among 14 listed men in Jan 1828 in
Quincy, Gadsden Co, FL, when the Quincy Lodge was created under a
special dispensation granted by the Grand Lodge of Georgia. [This
info was located in David A Avant Jr's 1985 book, "Illustrated Index
to J. Randall Stanley's History of Gadsden County (Florida) 1948"

[7] 1830 - the handwritten extracts of the 1830 FL Territory Census
for Gadsden Co, which researcher Kathy Best prepared in 1991 (for her
client Bud Poythress) listed J.P. Poythress, on p.141 of the Census,
having 6 slaves and the following free white household members: 1 male
age 5-10; 1 male age 10-15; 1 male age 20-30; 1 male age 30-40; 1
female under age 5; 1 female age 5-10; 1 female age 10-15; and 1
female age 15-20. [Note: I can't help but wonder whether the male
age 10-15 in this Census might have been William Kelly of item #4
above? I note the earlier 1820 Census age bracket for James P,
indicating he was born by about 1794, also fits for being age 30-40 in
this Census.]

[8] 10 Apr 1833 J.P. Poythress subscribed to 15 shares of bank stock,
6 shares of which were secured, and William Maner [spelled Manner
here; Maner elsewhere] subscribed to 300 shares, 174 of which were
secured. This comes from Womack's above-mentioned Gadsden Co, FL
book, p.33 in an article on "Early Banking Economy" which says, in
part, "The Union Bank of Florida, located in Tallahassee, was most
accessible to the Middle Florida area and based on the same principle
as the Bank of Florida. Receiving its charter from the Legislative
Council on February 13, 1833... Two months later, April 10, 1833, the
commissioners met to receive subscriptions of their capital stock. The
following shares were subscribed to by various families of Gadsden
County:... [including:]
William Manner (sic; Maner) 300 Shares, 174 Shares Secured...
J.P. Poythress 15 Shares; 6 Shares Secured

[9] 19 Sep 1833 John P Poythress was born in Gadsden Co, Florida
Territory, per his family's record and per his Confederate Pension
disability application dated 1888. No parent name was mentioned for
John P in either document.
[Note: John P Poythress is the progenitor of the current-day
Florida Poythress descendants, including Linda. If John P Poythress
was indeed son of James P Poythress, James was likely in his late 30s
when John P was born, which can easily fit.
Further note: If John P was James P's son, it sure would have been
nice if John had listed in his family record the young males who were
earlier listed in James P's Census household of 1820 in Screven Co,
GA, covered in #1 above, and the Census household of 1830 in Gadsden
Co, FL, covered in #7 above -- Were those young males of the 1820 &
1830 households older brothers of John P, or boys/teens bound to James
P or of whom he was guardian?]

[10] 1840: In the 1940 Florida Territorial Census, listed in Gadsden
County: James P. Poytheress (sic). [Note: I've seen several
publications of this census, and none of them have given any breakdown
of people by age or sex for any of the households, or any "effective
date" the Census was taken as of. It was certified in Nov 1840.]

[11] 26 May 1845 James Poythress voted in Chattahoochee, Gadsden Co,
Florida, at the house of R. Scott, in the first Statewide election in
1845. This is per Brian E. Michaels' 1987 book, "Florida Voters In
Their First Statewide Election May 26, 1845" p.49.
Note: Chattahoochee is about 19 miles west of Quincy, in the far
western side of Gadsden Co, at the banks of the Appalachicola River,
which river forms the county line between the northern part of Gadsden
Co and Jackson Co, FL.
Note: Jackson Co, FL is where George Poythress, earlier of Burke
Co, GA, got land, and where I located a copy of his will; George died
sometime after signing his will 6 Apr 1829, and before it was
presented in court in Jackson County, Territory of FL, on 19 Jul 1832.
Since George's name has not been found in the 1830 Census for either
the Territory of FL or the state of GA, it is possible that George
died before Jun 1830, or that he was incapacitated and was living in
the Jackson Co, FL household of his son-in-law, Addison Mandell
(husband of George's daughter Mary Elizabeth).

[12] 9 Jan 1846 James Poythrees (sic) per BLM Receipt No.8871, this
date, got land described as the SE 1/4 NE 1/4 Sec.18 T2N, R2W. That
BLM record for James Poythrees (sic) further includes the next item
here re the same land:

1 Nov 1848 Patent Certificate No.8871 was signed for this same
land of James: SE 1/4 NE 1/4 Sec.18 T2N, R2W.
Note: This land is located in the far western side of the county,
roughly 8 miles south of Chattahoochee (the town where James had voted
in 1845), near the Calhoun Co, FL line; this is much nearer to
Jackson Co, FL than James' earlier land. Calhoun Co is south of
Jackson Co.		06/24/2010 6:48:51
[POYTHRESS] Wilkinson feedback re Lincoln Co, NC will of Delphy Portus 1811Barbara NealThanks Maynard for posting Kenneth's message for all of us. And
thanks, Kenneth, for speaking up.

Kenneth, can you please help me on a few things here:

1. What was the date of that Sheriff's record of a dispute was
recorded in the Dinwiddie County, VA court house that you mentioned?
You had mentioned it was between James Wilkinson and a member of the
Poythress family, and it was settled in James Wilkinson's favor.
Since named James Wilkinson lived over a wide time period, and
certainly lots of various Poythress people, the date would help.

2. Can you give any helpful info mentioned in that Revolutionary War
Pension Application by James Wilkinson? Where was he applying for a
Pension -- North Carolina or Virginia? If his wife was named, or if
he said who he served under, or what battle or campaign he served in,
or any names of people that vouched for him, just any info could
help.

3. Do you know James Wilkinson's wife's name?

4. Do you know the name of his sister Nancy's Blakley husband?

Thanks for any help, Kenneth.
Barbara
=

From: Kennethkbw2@aol.com [mailto:Kennethkbw2@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:07
To: vkratliff@insightbb.com
Subject: Re: FW: [POYTHRESS] Transcrip: Lincoln Co, NC will of Delphy
Portus 1811

IN THE DENWIDDIE CO VA COURTHOUSE IS A SHIRERIFF RECORD OF A DISPUTE
BETWEEN JAMES WILKINSON AND A MEMBER OF THE POYTHRESS FAMILY THAT WAS
SETTLED IN JAMES WILKINSON'S FAVOR.
THERE ARE STILL LIVING IN DENWIDDIE CO VA MEMBERS OF THE POYTHRESS FAMILY.

HAVE E-MAILED THEM WITH NO REPLY. MOST OF THE FAMILY BELEIVES THAT
DELPHY'S LAST NAME AT DEATH WAS INDEED DUE TO A SECOND MARRIAGE
ALTHOUGH MR.POYTHRESS DID NOT MAKE IT TO NC. WE CAN
ACCOUNT FOR ALL CHILDREN MENTIONED IN THE WILL EXCEPT RUBEN WILKINSON
AND HIS CHILDREN.

MY GUESS IS THAT THEY STAYED IN VA. ALL THIS COULD BE ANSWERED IF THE
FAMILY BIBLE COULD FOUND!

WHEN JAMES APPLIED FOR PENSION FOR THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR HE STATED
THAT THE BIBLE WAS IN THE HANDS OF HIS SISTER NANCY BLAKLEY.

I BELIEVE SHE IS BURRIED IN THE SMYRNA METH. CHURCH GRAVEYARD IN
LINCOLN OR CATAWABA CO.

CAN YOUR BARBRA POYTHRESS NEAL TRACE HER FAMILY ? LET ME KNOW SENCERLY
YOURS , KENNETH BANDY WILKINSON II		06/24/2010 10:09:05
Re: [POYTHRESS] Wilkinson feedback re Lincoln Co, NC will of Delphy Portus 1811Barbara NealThanks, Kenneth, for your below-copied email. I have divided it into
paragraphs to help in reading it.

I'm glad you have a copy of the 1785 case in Dinwiddie Co, VA between
James Wilkinson and whoever the Poythress fellow was. I look forward
to getting a photocopy of it, when you find it. I'll be glad to give
you my mailing address for that, when you find the case.

Thanks for the info on James Wilkinson's Rev War Pension application
below. That should make it easier for anyone wanting to locate a copy
of his application file. Sometimes the Bible record was actually torn
out of the family's Bible and turned in to the local official, and was
then sent in to the War Dept if the War Dept was requiring additional
proof of information.

Additional info of a Wilkinson /Wilkerson connection to a Poythress
that I located today is listed below. This info comes from a
[pre-computer] 1975 typed & mimeographed bound book, "Dinwiddie
County, Virginia Data 1762-1865" of info Compiled and Indexed by
Thomas P Hughes Jr. [who I think is now deceased]; the book was sold
by the Tennessee Genealogical Society, Memphis, TN.

In the book, on 93 of its pages, Hughes has a list of "Probable
Kinships from Personalty Property Tax Rolls of 1782-1820" The list
has no explanation of how he came up with these probably kinships. To
try to figure that out, I have just looked at the
Binns-Genealogy-scans of the 1782 Personal Property Tax Roll of
Dinwiddie Co, VA -- the only year I've seen for Dinwiddie.

The 1782 (and presumably the other years Hughes examined) records were
all completely handwritten, showing just after the name of the
taxed-person [or the estate] being charged with the tax, beginning on
the same line (and extending to additional lines when more space was
needed) some taxed-persons' entries show an additional full name --
with NO notation of why his tax is being paid by the taxed-person.

Traditionally in Virginia records, this 2nd full name on the line with
the taxed-person has been the name of the taxable-head-of-household's
SON who is also of taxable age.

When the surname of that 2nd full name is different from the
taxed-person, it seems to me that it could tend to indicate a stepson,
perhaps from the wife's former marriage, or some other relative in the
household who has reached the taxable age.

If that understanding is correct, then this list of "Probable
Kinships" helps us to figure out which Poythress was married to
Delphy, who had formerly been married to a Wilkinson /Wilkerson.

[Also some entries in the original 1782 scans also include after the
taxed-person a series of first names only; these would be the slaves
regarding whom the taxed-person is paying an additional tax. Hughes
did not include these slaves' first names at all in his compiled
book.]
= = =
"Probable Kinships" shown for Poythress-taxed-surnames in Hughes book
[Note: for 1782 entries, which I saw today on the scans, I'm adding
the slaves' names]:

- "For Peter Poythress" [1782 as seen today; no title shown such as
"Colonel" This one is added here by Bpn from today looking at the
1782 scan; this was not shown in Hughes' book] - John Lamb, Joe
bill, Sall,
Biddy, Winny, China, Ned, Antony, Kate, Moll,
Pat, Isham, Muria[?], Aggy, Matt, Sarah, Buk[?]

- Poythress, Francis
--- 1782: D.C. Meanly, Dick [Dick added today by Bpn]
--- 1793-1795: Reuben Wilkerson

- "Peter Poythress" [in 1782, a 2nd listing for a Peter, not
immediately below the above "For Peter" entry, with no distinction
indicated for this Peter versus the above Peter] - Matt, Moses, Scott,
Moll,
Patt, Sarah, Pris, Jane, tab, Sid, Peg, Hannah,
Peter, Chance, Dilcie, David, Mingo, Stephen[ or Japhen?],
Tab, Billy, Tab, Nelly, Lilly, Buk, Tom, Aggy

- Poythress, John
--- 1793-1795: William Poythress

- Poythress, Colo. Peter Estate
--- 1787 - John Lamb
--- 1789 - John Lamb
= = =
So, perhaps "Francis Poythress" was the name of Delphy's
Poythress-surnamed apparent-2nd-husband? Or maybe Francis was
Delphy's father-in-law of a deceased-Poythress-2nd-husband of hers,
and Francis was financially responsible for this Reuben Wilkerson /
Wilkinson grandson? Food for thought, at this point.

All for now,
Barbara

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 11:07 PM, wrote:
> DEAR BARBRA. THE SHIRERIFF RECORD IN DENWIDDIE FOR THE CASE OF JAMES WILKINSON WAS DATED IN 1785. I HAVE A COPY OF THE CASE SOMEWHERE IN MY FILES IT MAY TAKE SOME TIME TO LOCATE IT, BUT WILL PASS IT ALONG WHEN FOUND.

> JAMES WILKINSON APLIED FOR PENSION ON 10/28/1833 .WAS GRANTED $26.21 PER YR. HIS SECOND WIFE NANCY STILES COLLECTED THIS PENSION UNTILL HER DEATH IN 1888.SHE HAD MOVED TO ALABAMA AFTER JAMES DEATH IN 1846. WHEN THE CIVIL WAR WAS IN PROGRESS SHE WAS ASK TO SIGN AN OATH OF ALEIGENCE TO THE US GOV. IN ORDER TO CONTINUE THE PENSION. THE PENSION WAS APPLIED FOR ON 10/28/1832 IN NC.

> JAMES WILKINSON SERVED IN CAPT JOHN NICKOLS VIRGINIA CO AFTERWARDS COMMANDED BY COL FRANK FAULKNER. THE FALL OF 1779. HE FOUGHT AT THE BATTLES OF BROADWAY AND HOODS POINT VA. HE ALSO SERVED 1 MO. IN 1780. THIS INFO CAME FROM HIS WAR RECORD HOUSED IN WASHINGTON DC . THESE BATTLES WERE LOCATED ABOVE PETERBURG VA. ON THE JAMES RIVER.

> JAMES WILKINSON WAS MARRIED TWICE:
1. ANN WARD ?  FROM VA - MY REALITIVE.
2.NANCY STILES 1800 TO 1888 FROM IRDELL CO, NC.  MARRIED IN 1818.

> NANCY BLECKLEY'S HUSBAND NAME WAS JAMES.		06/25/2010 7:16:02
Re: [POYTHRESS] Delphy Et AlJohn M. PoythressThanks for comment, Kenneth, I know that will help us.



By the way, an easy way to address us all simultaneously is to simply address your

emails to: poythress-l@rootsweb.com .....that way one's
message goes to 70+ others

interested in the subject and we often get surprise information from others in the

group.



And, if you're asking a particular person a question, just start off your email calling

them by name.....figuring that any one of the others might or might not chime in with

a comment, question, or additional information.



I was aware of the RW officer and his non-affiliation with the crowd we're chasing or

even perhaps not-chasing if it turns out we're chasing 2 Delphys. If the others aren't

aware, they are now as you'll notice I copied "the list."



Best,



Maynard



_____

From: Kennethkbw2@aol.com [mailto:Kennethkbw2@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:21
To: vkratliff@insightbb.com
Subject: Re: Delphy Et Al



THERE IS ANOTHER REUBIN WILKINSON LISTED FROM JOHNSON CO NC THAT FITS THE TIME SCAN . HE
WAS AN OFFICER (LT) IN THE CONTINITAL ARMY. NOT OUR LINE THOUGH . WROTE MRS. NEAL SOME
INFO I HAD ON JAMES WILKINSON . FORGOT TO ASK HER TO PASS IT ON TO YOU. I WOULD THINK SHE
WOULD BUT IF NOT I WILL. KEN W.



In a message dated 6/24/2010 2:29:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vkratliff@insightbb.com
writes:

Was just kidding.....but seriously, I know we are concentrating on what is "one line" so
naturally a

favored given name will appear a disproportionate number of times but golly, it seems like
about

1 in 4 of these guys were named Reubin. I've even got a couple in Screven County, GA.



mp




_____


From: Kennethkbw2@aol.com [mailto:Kennethkbw2@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:20
To: vkratliff@insightbb.com
Subject: Re: Delphy Et Al



SEEMS IRONIC AT LEAST! BUT I BELIEVE OUR REUBIN WAS A LITTLE OLDER ,BORN PREVIOUS TO 1790
? KEN W.



In a message dated 6/23/2010 9:54:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vkratliff@insightbb.com
writes:

Just so we can maintain our senses of humor, I just finished a short history of the
Okeefenokee Swamp,

not a very professional job written back in the 40's. I inherited it in my mother's
library.



It briefly recounts an 1820 Seminole raid into the swamp resulting in the death of 12 of
13 family members.

The one survivor was a 12 year old lad named, what else, Reubin Wilkinson.



Aaargh.



Maynard		06/25/2010 7:44:24
[POYTHRESS] More Wilkinson feedback Re: Delphy Et AlBarbara NealKenneth and all,

The Reuben Wilkinson / Wilkerson you mention in your emails copied
below that you just sent to Maynard, could indeed fit quite well with
being the Reuben Wilkerson who (1) was of taxable age (usually 16 yrs
of age) in the three tax years of 1793-1795, and (2) was chargeable
for that tax to head of household Francis Poythress in the Dinwiddie
Co, VA Personal Property Tax rolls, who I mentioned in my message of a
couple of hours ago, referring to Thomas Hughes' "Probable Kinships"
listing.

Barbara

> From: Kennethkbw2@aol.com [mailto:Kennethkbw2@aol.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010
> ... I BELIEVE OUR REUBIN WAS A LITTLE OLDER ,BORN PREVIOUS TO 1790. KEN W.
and:
> THERE IS ANOTHER REUBIN WILKINSON LISTED FROM JOHNSON CO NC THAT FITS THE TIME SCAN . HE WAS AN OFFICER (LT) IN THE CONTINITAL ARMY. NOT OUR LINE THOUGH
KEN W.
>		06/25/2010 9:33:17
Re: [POYTHRESS] Placing Lewis & other Poythress connections - Dinwiddie Co, VALou PooleAnd Lunenburg was created in 1746 from Brunswick.

In other words, from the time that Dinwiddie was created in 1752 it
never changed (except possibly for some very minor boundary line
changes, and I'm not aware of any of those). Though, technically, the
City of Petersburg (independent city) was created out of small parts
of Dinwiddie, Chesterfield, and Prince George in 1850.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Neal
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:57 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Placing Lewis & other Poythress connections -
Dinwiddie Co, VA

Teresa thanks so much for speaking. You asked about "where" in
Dinwiddie Co Lewis Poythress may have been from, and where in
Dinwiddie other Poythress men had been located. I cannot recall for
sure whether we may have had/seen any maps from Dinwiddie that would
show the location of early Poythress land, but if so hopefully Al Tims
can point us to them on our Poythress research website.

Check out the long message I will post to the List in a few minutes,
"Dinwiddie County - references to pursue" regarding which Poythress
men lived in Dinwiddie and/or had land in Dinwiddie, in the right
time-frame, per several sources.

Hopefully the "Surveyor's Platt Book" mentioned in the sources in that
email might coordinate with some maps showing adjacent land owners in
the county, to help "place" some of these Poythress men.

I don't recall ever hearing any guesstimate of where Lewis was buried,
so I think that would more likely be Mecklenburg by then.

While in that Rev War Pension application I posted recently for
"Polly" Taylor, Lewis said at age 80 in May 1846 that he was born in
Dinwiddie [thus born about 1765-66], unfortunately we don't have any
indication of where in Dinwiddie.

Lewis also indicated in that application:
- that he had lived in Brunswick Co, VA during the Revolutionary War,
before coming to Mecklenburg Co, VA

- Lewis had lived in Mecklenburg Co, VA since about 1786

>From his wording in the affidavit, it sounds to me like he indeed
moved each time to a different county, not like the county lines just
changed. Also we know that:
- Dinwiddie was formed in 1752 from Prince George Co -- before Lewis
was born.
- Brunswick was formed in 1732 from Prince George, but we know Lewis
said he was born in Dinwiddie.
- Mecklenburg was formed in 1765 (around the same time Lewis
indicated he was born) from Lunenburg.

Thanks so much, Teresa, for your offer to help check things out, in
Dinwiddie County. The message I am about to post will give some good
sources of info to check, and hopefully the "Surveyor's Platt Book"
mentioned in them might coordinate with some maps showing adjacent
land owners in the county, to help "place" some of these Poythress
men.

Barbara
=
Teresa wrote:
Subj: [POYTHRESS] Dinwiddie County

I was just wondering about the references I have been seeing about
Lewis Poythress birth place Dinwiddie County VA, do we have any leads
as to what part of Dinwiddie this might be in?...are there any
Poythress families in Dinwiddie at the same time? What cities changed
from Dinwiddie to Brunswick to Mecklenburg because of county line
changes?And if indeed he didn't move, but 3 counties are mentioned
because of county line changes, which county would have the
documentation? I am in Dinwiddie County at least once a week and if
there is any ground work I can do in that area (Barbara or Maynard)
let me know where to start. Dinwiddie is the County Seat and there are
2 libraries in Dinwiddie. Right on the edge of Brunswick is
McKenney/Dewitt. Isn't there a reference to him also being buried in
Dinwiddie County?
Regards,
Teresa Willis

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[POYTHRESS] Dinwiddie CountyI was just wondering about the references I have been seeing about Lewis Poythress birth place Dinwiddie County VA, do we have any leads as to what part of Dinwiddie this might be in?...are there any Poythress families in Dinwiddie at the same time? What cities changed from Dinwiddie to Brunswick to Mecklenburg because of county line changes?And if indeed he didn't move, but 3 counties are mentioned because of county line changes, which county would have the documentation? I am in Dinwiddie County at least once a week and if there is any ground work I can do in that area (Barbara or Maynard) let me know where to start. Dinwiddie is the County Seat and there are 2 libraries in Dinwiddie. Right on the edge of Brunswick is McKenney/Dewitt. Isn't there a reference to him also being buried in Dinwiddie County?


Regards,
Teresa Willis		06/28/2010 6:59:32
[POYTHRESS] Placing Lewis & other Poythress connections - Dinwiddie Co, VABarbara NealTeresa thanks so much for speaking. You asked about "where" in
Dinwiddie Co Lewis Poythress may have been from, and where in
Dinwiddie other Poythress men had been located. I cannot recall for
sure whether we may have had/seen any maps from Dinwiddie that would
show the location of early Poythress land, but if so hopefully Al Tims
can point us to them on our Poythress research website.

Check out the long message I will post to the List in a few minutes,
"Dinwiddie County - references to pursue" regarding which Poythress
men lived in Dinwiddie and/or had land in Dinwiddie, in the right
time-frame, per several sources.

Hopefully the "Surveyor's Platt Book" mentioned in the sources in that
email might coordinate with some maps showing adjacent land owners in
the county, to help "place" some of these Poythress men.

I don't recall ever hearing any guesstimate of where Lewis was buried,
so I think that would more likely be Mecklenburg by then.

While in that Rev War Pension application I posted recently for
"Polly" Taylor, Lewis said at age 80 in May 1846 that he was born in
Dinwiddie [thus born about 1765-66], unfortunately we don't have any
indication of where in Dinwiddie.

Lewis also indicated in that application:
- that he had lived in Brunswick Co, VA during the Revolutionary War,
before coming to Mecklenburg Co, VA

- Lewis had lived in Mecklenburg Co, VA since about 1786

>From his wording in the affidavit, it sounds to me like he indeed
moved each time to a different county, not like the county lines just
changed. Also we know that:
- Dinwiddie was formed in 1752 from Prince George Co -- before Lewis
was born.
- Brunswick was formed in 1732 from Prince George, but we know Lewis
said he was born in Dinwiddie.
- Mecklenburg was formed in 1765 (around the same time Lewis
indicated he was born) from Lunenburg.

Thanks so much, Teresa, for your offer to help check things out, in
Dinwiddie County. The message I am about to post will give some good
sources of info to check, and hopefully the "Surveyor's Platt Book"
mentioned in them might coordinate with some maps showing adjacent
land owners in the county, to help "place" some of these Poythress
men.

Barbara
=
Teresa wrote:
Subj: [POYTHRESS] Dinwiddie County

I was just wondering about the references I have been seeing about
Lewis Poythress birth place Dinwiddie County VA, do we have any leads
as to what part of Dinwiddie this might be in?...are there any
Poythress families in Dinwiddie at the same time? What cities changed
from Dinwiddie to Brunswick to Mecklenburg because of county line
changes?And if indeed he didn't move, but 3 counties are mentioned
because of county line changes, which county would have the
documentation? I am in Dinwiddie County at least once a week and if
there is any ground work I can do in that area (Barbara or Maynard)
let me know where to start. Dinwiddie is the County Seat and there are
2 libraries in Dinwiddie. Right on the edge of Brunswick is
McKenney/Dewitt. Isn't there a reference to him also being buried in
Dinwiddie County?
Regards,
Teresa Willis		06/28/2010 12:56:35
[POYTHRESS] Dinwiddie County - references to pursue for placing Poythress menBarbara NealTeresa,
Thanks so much for offering to check on this! I hope these 3 below
sources of info will list some info helpful for "placing" where the
Poythress families in Dinwiddie were located in the last half of the
1700s.

There were Poythress families galore in Dinwiddie at the time Lewis
was born, around 1765-66 per his affidavit given in May 1846 at age
80. I think Maynard is fairly convinced Lewis' father was Thomas
Poythress, however I think we should consider possibilities among ALL
the Poythress families then in Dinwiddie. Those would include, as far
as I know, the following Poythress names, with some specific
references you could check when you are in Dinwiddie County:

In this email, I will capitalize POYTHRESS for spotting it more
easily, and I will separate the three SOURCES of info with a line like
this:

= = =

[Source #1]
>From TLC Genealogy's index-only book, "Dinwiddie Co, VA Surveyor's
Platt Book (1755-1796) and Court Orders (1789-1791): An Every Name
Index"
POYTHRESS names from the Surveyor's Platt Book of 1755-1796.
NOTE: for these page number references, you can see in a below
source how Thomas Hughes will present the info from these Platt Book
page-references:
-- POYTHRESS with no first name, p.26 & p.32
-- POYTHRESS, Edward, p.4
-- POYTHRESS, Francis, p.9
-- POYTHRESS, Hanna, p.15 (2 references on that pg)
-- POYTHRESS, Peter, p.27
-- POYTHRESS, Peter of Prince Geo Co, p.32
-- POYTHRESS, William, p.4
and the following POYTHRESS, names are listed in the Court Order
Book of 1789-1791:
-- POYTHRESS, Benjamin, p.126 (2 references) This page would be in
Nov Court 1789.
-- POYTHRESS, Peter, p.85 This page would be in Aug Court 1789.

= = =

[Source #2}
Thomas Hughes' book, "Dinwiddie County, VA Data 1762-1865"
NOTE: I am including here NOT ONLY the part of this book that I
did NOT post the other day, but also including what I did post the
other day of POYTHRESS references from Hughes' "List of Probable
Kinships" part of this volume,
AND I am adding from that same "List of Probable Kinships" the
Jones-Poythress and the Parsons-Poythress entries Hughes included, so
you'll have all the POYTHRESS info from this book by Hughes in one
place]

First however, Hughes section of the book for the Dinwiddie Co, VA
Surveyor's Platt Book 1755-1865, with page numbers as in the Platt
Book
NOTE: these correspond to the above index in TLC Genealogy's above book:

-- p.4: 18 April 1753, John Williams 38 ac[res] both sides of Reedy
Br[anch] adj[oining] William POYTHRESS, William Cryer, Samuel Gordon,
& Edward POYTHRESS. This certificate was afterwards altered to the
name of Zacharias Fenn.

-- p.15 [two entries on the same day on this page]:
March 18, 1761, Robert Hutchings, 16 ac[res] adj[oining] Hanna
POYTHRESS, John Grant, Abner Griggs & Richard Taylor [Bpn note: I do
not know of any relationship between Richard Taylor and Lewis' 2nd
wife Rebecca B Taylor; Rebecca's father was David Taylor, son of
Penelope Goodwin & Thomas Taylor, who I estimate was born about 1708?]
March 18, 1781, John Hardy, 96.75 a[cres] adj[oining] Hanna
POYTHRESS, John Grant, William Featherstone, William Eppes, James
Merrymoon & Zachery Overby.

-- p.27: August 15, 1772, Buffington Darwell, 32 ac[res] in Bath
Parish on SS [southside] Butterwood Cr[eek] adj[oining] Peter
POYTHRESS and Glover's line.

-- p.32: 1778, Peter POYTHRESS, Esq. of Prince George, 13 ac[res] in
Bath Parish on SS [southside] Butterwood Cr[eek] adj[oining] Peter
Wynne.

Hughes' book also has a section re "List of Probable Kinships from
Personalty Property Tax Rolls of 1782-1820" The list has no
explanation of how he came up with these probably kinships. To try to
figure that out, I looked at the Binns-Genealogy-scans of the 1782
Personal Property Tax Roll of Dinwiddie Co, VA -- the only year I've
seen for Dinwiddie.

The 1782 (and presumably the other years Hughes examined) records were
all completely handwritten, showing just after the name of the
taxed-person [or the estate] being charged with the tax, beginning on
the same line (and extending to additional lines when more space was
needed) some taxed-persons' entries show an additional full name --
with NO notation of why his tax is being paid by the taxed-person.

Traditionally in Virginia records, this 2nd full name on the line with
the taxed-person has been the name of the taxable-head-of-household's
SON who is also of taxable age.

When the surname of that 2nd full name is different from the
taxed-person, it seems to me that it could tend to indicate a stepson,
perhaps from the wife's former marriage, or some other relative in the
household who has reached the taxable age.

If that understanding is correct, then this list of "Probable
Kinships" helps us to figure out which Poythress was married to
Delphy, who had formerly been married to a Wilkinson /Wilkerson.

[Also some entries in the original 1782 scans also include after the
taxed-person a series of first names only; these would be the slaves
regarding whom the taxed-person is paying an additional tax. Hughes
did not include these slaves' first names at all in his compiled
book.]

"Probable Kinships" shown for POYTHRESS-taxed-surnames & for other
POYTHRESS kinships shown in Hughes book [Note: for 1782 entries,
which I examined on the Binns Genealogy scans, I'm adding the slaves'
names]:

- Jones, John Jr
--- 1782: John POYTHRESS & Joseph Hazelwood
--- 1786: Edward Jackson, Daniel Elder, John Chambers & Charles Whitmore

- Parsons, Sterling
--- 1800: Thomas Parsons & John Gibbs
--- 1802: William Parsons, Gardner & Nathan Hawkins
--- 1803: Peter POYTHRESS, Nathan Hawkins & Reader Floyd
--- 1804: Nathan Hawkins & Reader Floyd
--- 1806: william Parsons
--- 1807: Right Miles

- "For Peter POYTHRESS" [1782 as seen on 1782 scan; no title shown
such as "Colonel" This was not shown in Hughes' book] - John Lamb,
Joe, bill, Sall,
Biddy, Winny, China, Ned, Antony, Kate, Moll,
Pat, Isham, Muria[?], Aggy, Matt, Sarah, Buk[?]

- POYTHRESS, Francis
--- 1782: D.C. Meanly, Dick [Dick was slave added here from scan]
--- 1793-1795: Reuben Wilkerson

- "Peter POYTHRESS" [in 1782, a 2nd listing for a Peter, not
immediately below the above "For Peter" entry, with no distinction
indicated for this Peter versus the above Peter] - Matt, Moses, Scott,
Moll,
Patt, Sarah, Pris, Jane, tab, Sid, Peg, Hannah,
Peter, Chance, Dilcie, David, Mingo, Stephen[ or Japhen?],
Tab, Billy, Tab, Nelly, Lilly, Buk, Tom, Aggy

- POYTHRESS, John
--- 1793-1795: William POYTHRESS

- POYTHRESS, Colo. Peter Estate
--- 1787 - John Lamb
--- 1789 - John Lamb

= = =

[Source #3]
Thomas Hughes' volume "Land Records [of] Dinwiddie Co, VA 1752-1820"
Hughes gives this info in the foreword: Dinwiddie Co, VA was formed
in 1752 from Prince George Co, VA. All the early Courthouse records
were lost during the Civil War. However, the Grants, Patents, and Land
Tax Records, copies of which were kept by the Commonwealth of VA, are
preserved in the VA State Library. The Grant and Patents were copied
there and a very extensive study was made of Films J.R.3390 and
J.R.3396 for this volume.

Hughes shows the following POYTHRESS listings from his extensive study
of the Grants & Patents:

-- on Hughes p.4, in his listing of Regal Government Land Grants in
Dinwiddie Co, VA there is one POYTHRESS: William POYTHRESS 31/171 [no
explanation of that column: perhaps Vol.31, p.171?] dated 3 Aug 1752,
531 acres [Hughes does not include any descriptions of the land, for
anyone]

-- on Hughes p.7, in his listing of Land Patents Granted in
Dinwiddie Co, VA by the Commonwealth of VA there is one Poythress:
Peter POYTHRESS, A/328 [no explanation of that column: perhaps
Vol.A, p.328?] dated 29 May 1780, 49 acres

-- in Commissioners of Revenue records of land tax records 1782-1820
on Hughes p.10-34 with 1782 Land Tax, and then p.35-189 an
alphabetical listing by name order, with info re all the remaining
years put at one place for that name:

--- p.18 [thus 1782] Hughes lists the following, with the lines re
Cryer and Hilton apparently referring to some of POYTHRESS' land that
was adjacent to those people. This is copied from Hughes' book with
indents as he shows them, enabling all the numbers of acres to show in
a steady column on the right. My assumption is that "BW" may well
stand for Bounty Warrant -- beside some other peoples' names Hughes
would put another county in parentheses such as "(PG)" if the person
was a resident of Prince George. but since this "BW" was not in
parentheses, I don't think it stands for Brunswick Co here. Hughes
put:
POYTHRESS, Colo. Peter BW 1,000 acres
Adj. Cryer 324 acres
Tommy Hilton 404 acres

--- p.137 [thus years 1783-1820 land taxes] Hughes put the
following. Note, I am converting Hughes' fractions to decimals, so
rather than putting 3/4, or spelled out three-quarters, I am putting
.75 Also be aware that any parentheses are as shown by Hughes, and my
own notes are in square brackets. Hughes showed 3 POYTHRESS men in
this section:

- POYTHRESS, Francis:
-- 1795-1806 taxed on 100 acres conv[eyed] by William Cross

- POYTHRESS, Patrick H:
-- 1813-1815 taxed on 94.75 acres.
-- 1816-1817 taxed on Archer Coleman live[?] 94.75 acres
-- 1818-1819 taxed on 44.75 acres conv[eyed] 50 acres to Charles
Clay [Bpn note: hmm, I'd like to see the original to see if Clay was
shown with a period at the end of it: Clay. which perhaps could be
an abbreviation for "Clayton" which is an alternative spelling of
"Cleaton" back in that time period]
-- 1820 taxed on 94.75 acres (improperly chg. last year) on
Br[anch] of Namozene Cr[eek] 18 N CH. [18 miles north from the court
house]

- POYTHRESS, Col. Peter:
-- 1787-1792 taxed on 1,000 acres, 324 acres, & 404 acres
-- 1793-1795 taxed on 1,000 acres & 404 acres
-- 1796-1806 taxed on 1,000 acres		06/28/2010 12:59:45
Re: [POYTHRESS] (no subject)It's hell to get old Maynard. I should know, I've been there!! ...
Hope you and the misses had a great 4th celebration.... Bud
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


In a message dated 7/6/2010 5:15:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
vkratliff@insightbb.com writes:

Hey, guys, I think I have a new Poythress on the string and have forgotten
the code to

subscribe to the listserver. (I have all the other URLs).



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Re: [POYTHRESS] (no subject)John M. PoythressBud.......

Why you big turkey, where you been hiding for the past 10 years. You dropped off the
radar
for so long I even called Settie to make sure you were still sitting up and taking
nourishment.
She reported that you are fine but you have your mail box so crammed it's hard to get in.
So,
if this message slips through the cracks, my best wishes for you also for a happy 4th.

Affectionately and with best wishes from the list which has grown mightily.

Maynard

P. S. and, yeah, you're right about getting old....and I'm sure getting there....but not
going
very gracefully.

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
BudPoythress@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:00
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] (no subject)

It's hell to get old Maynard. I should know, I've been there!! ...
Hope you and the misses had a great 4th celebration.... Bud
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


In a message dated 7/6/2010 5:15:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
vkratliff@insightbb.com writes:

Hey, guys, I think I have a new Poythress on the string and have forgotten
the code to

subscribe to the listserver. (I have all the other URLs).



Would somebody pls jog my senile mind? Thanks. Maynard



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the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message		07/06/2010 3:35:36
Re: [POYTHRESS] (no subject)Lou PooleSpoken like a true Geezer...

Lou (a self-admitted Geezer)

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John M. Poythress
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 8:36 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] (no subject)

Bud.......

Why you big turkey, where you been hiding for the past 10 years. You
dropped off the
radar
for so long I even called Settie to make sure you were still sitting
up and taking
nourishment.
She reported that you are fine but you have your mail box so crammed
it's hard to get in.
So,
if this message slips through the cracks, my best wishes for you also
for a happy 4th.

Affectionately and with best wishes from the list which has grown
mightily.

Maynard

P. S. and, yeah, you're right about getting old....and I'm sure
getting there....but not
going
very gracefully.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
BudPoythress@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:00
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] (no subject)

It's hell to get old Maynard. I should know, I've been there!! ...
Hope you and the misses had a great 4th celebration.... Bud
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


In a message dated 7/6/2010 5:15:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
vkratliff@insightbb.com writes:

Hey, guys, I think I have a new Poythress on the string and have
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the code to

subscribe to the listserver. (I have all the other URLs).



Would somebody pls jog my senile mind? Thanks. Maynard



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quotes in the subject and the body of the message		07/06/2010 3:37:35
Re: [POYTHRESS] (no subject)Albert TimsThe subscribe options and signup instructions are at;

http://www.poythress.net/mailinglist.htm

Best,
Al

On Jul 6, 2010, at 4:15 PM, John M. Poythress wrote:

> Hey, guys, I think I have a new Poythress on the string and have
> forgotten the code to
>
> subscribe to the listserver. (I have all the other URLs).
>
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> Would somebody pls jog my senile mind? Thanks. Maynard
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> the body of the message		07/06/2010 11:11:13
[POYTHRESS] (no subject)John M. PoythressHey, guys, I think I have a new Poythress on the string and have forgotten the code to

subscribe to the listserver. (I have all the other URLs).



Would somebody pls jog my senile mind? Thanks. Maynard




07/06/2010 11:15:21
Re: [POYTHRESS] Flowerdew HundredJudy scruggsGlad I got to see it in it's origianl location before they closed.
Thanks,
 Judy


--- On Thu, 7/8/10, John M. Poythress wrote:


From: John M. Poythress
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Flowerdew Hundred
To: poythress-l@rootsweb.com
Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 6:09 AM


I've been wondering what would happen to that windmill since Flowerdew closed in 2007:



http://www.relocation.com-rich.com/landmark-windmill-finds-a-new-home.html



Maynard



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[POYTHRESS] Flowerdew HundredJohn M. PoythressI've been wondering what would happen to that windmill since Flowerdew closed in 2007:



http://www.relocation.com-rich.com/landmark-windmill-finds-a-new-home.html



Maynard		07/08/2010 12:09:59
[POYTHRESS] John Dixon and Martha Amanda Elizabeth Poythress Dixon OdomGinger MalphrusI'm a descendant of John Dixon and Martha Amanda Elizabeth Poythress
Dixon Odom. I am very interested in finding out anything about my
ancestors. I've been to Bethany Cemetery and because of the age of the
markers couldn't actually find Martha Amanda Elizabeth Poythress Dixon
Odom's or Laban Odom's graves. I did find some of the Odom family's
markers, and got some nice pictures. I look forward to reading some of
the other threads about the Poythress families.

Ginger



07/10/2010 9:26:09
[POYTHRESS] Just a tidbitJohn M. Poythresshttp://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=1691707/14/2010 2:12:46
Re: [POYTHRESS] Just a tidbitBarbara NealThanks, Maynard, for the info on the historical marker re the
beginnings of the "Regular" Methodist Conference, back on May 18,
1779, at Roger Thompson’s, near Palmyra in Fluvanna Co, VA.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:12 PM, John M. Poythress
wrote:
> http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=16917		07/15/2010 3:05:13
[POYTHRESS] Richard Pace and Francis PoythressJohnI have started a new Pace website http://pacespaines.com/. My first article
is posted and some may find it controversial, although I sincerely believe
in its truth. It states that Mary Pace was not the daughter of Richard
Baker. It also states Rebecca Poythress, wife of Francis Poythress, was not
the daughter of John Cogan. The article also shows that Richard Pace and
Francis Poythress were related by blood, and not by marriage. To go straight
to the article click here:
http://pacespaines.com/index.php?p=1_10_Pace-Poythress. An accompanying map
is here: http://pacespaines.com/index.php?p=1_8_Tye-s-Old-Town-Plat.

John Pace		07/15/2010 12:52:51
Re: [POYTHRESS] Dinwiddie County - references to pursue for placing Poythress menBarbara NealTeresa - what a horrible accident; so glad your son will heal.
Genealogy is a very patient hobby; it can always wait for any period
of time. Hugs & prayers for your son, you, and the whole family.
Barbara



07/22/2010 2:03:11
[POYTHRESS] Away traveling for next 4 wksBarbara NealBeginning early tomorrow, I'll be away with my entire family for the
coming 4 weeks, out of all touch of computers & phones. Reckon I'll
have lots to catch up with, afterward. Have a good July-August.
Barbara		07/22/2010 2:06:09
Re: [POYTHRESS] Dinwiddie County - references to pursue for placing Poythress menJudy scruggsTeresa,
 So sorry to hear about your son. I will be praying for him & the family.
 Judy



--- On Thu, 7/22/10, vadixyluvr@aol.com wrote:


From: vadixyluvr@aol.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Dinwiddie County - references to pursue for placing Poythress men
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 12:19 PM


Sorry that it has taken me so long to respond to your message Barbara, but on June 28, the day you sent this, my youngest son was in a very bad car accident. He hit a tree and went through the windshield. He was med-flighted to VCU(mcv) where he stayed for 5 days and returned home to recoop. He has broken ribs, foot, pelvis, and hip bone and will be on a walker until Oct. He won't be able to start his college classes in Aug, but will have to wait until Jan. However, we consider ourselves lucky because the truck was a total loss. The motor ended up in the cab and it actually looked like it had gone through a shredder. He of course has to go to Dr appointments almost every week, so my time in Dinwiddie has been cut short for now. I will get back on that as soon as I can. And I will probably need some help on how to go about checking on this stuff. When I get back to going every week I will let you know.
Teresa





-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Neal
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:59 pm
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Dinwiddie County - references to pursue for placing Poythress men


Teresa,
Thanks so much for offering to check on this!  I hope these 3 below
sources of info will list some info helpful for "placing" where the
Poythress families in Dinwiddie were located in the last half of the
1700s.

There were Poythress families galore in Dinwiddie at the time Lewis
was born, around 1765-66 per his affidavit given in May 1846 at age
80.  I think Maynard is fairly convinced Lewis' father was Thomas
Poythress, however  I think we should consider possibilities among ALL
the Poythress families then in Dinwiddie.  Those would include, as far
as I know, the following Poythress names, with some specific
references you could check when you are in Dinwiddie County:

In this email, I will capitalize POYTHRESS for spotting it more
easily, and I will separate the three SOURCES of info with a line like
this:

= = =

[Source #1]
>From TLC Genealogy's index-only book, "Dinwiddie Co, VA Surveyor's
Platt Book (1755-1796) and Court Orders (1789-1791): An Every Name
Index"
POYTHRESS names from the Surveyor's Platt Book of 1755-1796.
  NOTE: for these page number references, you can see in a below
source how Thomas Hughes will present the info from these Platt Book
page-references:
  -- POYTHRESS with no first name, p.26 & p.32
  -- POYTHRESS, Edward, p.4
  -- POYTHRESS, Francis, p.9
  -- POYTHRESS, Hanna, p.15 (2 references on that pg)
  -- POYTHRESS, Peter, p.27
  -- POYTHRESS, Peter of Prince Geo Co, p.32
  -- POYTHRESS,  William, p.4
and the following  POYTHRESS,  names are listed in the Court Order
Book of 1789-1791:
  -- POYTHRESS, Benjamin, p.126 (2 references) This page would be in
Nov Court 1789.
  -- POYTHRESS, Peter, p.85 This page would be in Aug Court 1789.

= = =

[Source #2}
Thomas Hughes' book, "Dinwiddie County, VA Data 1762-1865"
   NOTE:  I am including here NOT ONLY the part of this book that I
did NOT post the other day, but also including what I did post the
other day of POYTHRESS references from Hughes' "List of Probable
Kinships" part of this volume,
    AND I am adding from that same "List of Probable Kinships" the
Jones-Poythress and the Parsons-Poythress entries Hughes included, so
you'll have all the POYTHRESS info from this book by Hughes in one
place]

First however, Hughes section of the book for the Dinwiddie Co, VA
Surveyor's Platt Book 1755-1865, with page numbers as in the Platt
Book
   NOTE:  these correspond to the above index in TLC Genealogy's above book:

-- p.4:  18 April 1753, John Williams 38 ac[res] both sides of Reedy
Br[anch] adj[oining] William POYTHRESS, William Cryer, Samuel Gordon,
& Edward POYTHRESS. This certificate was afterwards altered to the
name of Zacharias Fenn.

-- p.15 [two entries on the same day on this page]:
    March 18, 1761, Robert Hutchings, 16 ac[res] adj[oining] Hanna
POYTHRESS, John Grant, Abner Griggs & Richard Taylor  [Bpn note: I do
not know of any relationship between Richard Taylor and Lewis' 2nd
wife Rebecca B Taylor;  Rebecca's father was David Taylor, son of
Penelope Goodwin & Thomas Taylor, who I estimate was born about 1708?]
    March 18, 1781, John Hardy, 96.75 a[cres] adj[oining] Hanna
POYTHRESS, John Grant, William Featherstone, William Eppes, James
Merrymoon & Zachery Overby.

-- p.27:  August 15, 1772, Buffington Darwell, 32 ac[res] in Bath
Parish on SS [southside] Butterwood Cr[eek] adj[oining] Peter
POYTHRESS and Glover's line.

-- p.32:  1778, Peter POYTHRESS, Esq. of Prince George, 13 ac[res] in
Bath Parish on SS [southside] Butterwood Cr[eek] adj[oining] Peter
Wynne.

Hughes' book also has a section re  "List of Probable Kinships from
Personalty Property Tax Rolls of 1782-1820"  The list has no
explanation of how he came up with these probably kinships.  To try to
figure that out, I looked at the Binns-Genealogy-scans of the 1782
Personal Property Tax Roll of Dinwiddie Co, VA -- the only year I've
seen for Dinwiddie.

The 1782 (and presumably the other years Hughes examined) records were
all completely handwritten, showing just after the name of the
taxed-person [or the estate] being charged with the tax, beginning on
the same line (and extending to additional lines when more space was
needed) some taxed-persons' entries show an additional full name --
with NO notation of why his tax is being paid by the taxed-person.

Traditionally in Virginia records, this 2nd full name on the line with
the taxed-person has been the name of the taxable-head-of-household's
SON who is also of taxable age.

When the surname of that 2nd full name is different from the
taxed-person, it seems to me that it could tend to indicate a stepson,
perhaps from the wife's former marriage, or some other relative in the
household who has reached the taxable age.

If that understanding is correct, then this list of "Probable
Kinships" helps us to figure out which Poythress was married to
Delphy, who had formerly been married to a Wilkinson /Wilkerson.

[Also some entries in the original 1782 scans also include after the
taxed-person a series of first names only; these would be the slaves
regarding whom the taxed-person is paying an additional tax. Hughes
did not include these slaves' first names at all in his compiled
book.]

"Probable Kinships" shown for POYTHRESS-taxed-surnames & for other
POYTHRESS kinships shown in Hughes book  [Note: for 1782 entries,
which I examined on the Binns Genealogy scans, I'm adding the slaves'
names]:

- Jones, John Jr
--- 1782:  John POYTHRESS & Joseph Hazelwood
--- 1786:  Edward Jackson, Daniel Elder, John Chambers & Charles Whitmore

- Parsons, Sterling
--- 1800:  Thomas Parsons & John Gibbs
--- 1802:  William Parsons, Gardner & Nathan Hawkins
--- 1803:  Peter POYTHRESS, Nathan Hawkins & Reader Floyd
--- 1804:  Nathan Hawkins & Reader Floyd
--- 1806:  william Parsons
--- 1807:  Right Miles

- "For Peter POYTHRESS" [1782 as seen on 1782 scan; no title shown
such as "Colonel"  This was not shown in Hughes' book] - John Lamb,
Joe, bill, Sall,
Biddy, Winny, China, Ned, Antony, Kate, Moll,
Pat, Isham, Muria[?], Aggy, Matt, Sarah, Buk[?]

- POYTHRESS, Francis
--- 1782:  D.C. Meanly, Dick [Dick was slave added here from scan]
--- 1793-1795:  Reuben Wilkerson

- "Peter POYTHRESS" [in 1782, a 2nd listing for a Peter, not
immediately below the above "For Peter" entry, with no distinction
indicated for this Peter versus the above Peter] - Matt, Moses, Scott,
Moll,
Patt, Sarah, Pris, Jane, tab, Sid, Peg, Hannah,
Peter, Chance, Dilcie, David, Mingo, Stephen[ or Japhen?],
Tab, Billy, Tab, Nelly, Lilly, Buk, Tom, Aggy

- POYTHRESS, John
--- 1793-1795:  William POYTHRESS

- POYTHRESS, Colo. Peter Estate
--- 1787 - John Lamb
--- 1789 - John Lamb

= = =

[Source #3]
Thomas Hughes' volume "Land Records [of] Dinwiddie Co, VA 1752-1820"
Hughes gives this info in the foreword:  Dinwiddie Co, VA was formed
in 1752 from Prince George Co, VA. All the early Courthouse records
were lost during the Civil War. However, the Grants, Patents, and Land
Tax Records, copies of which were kept by the Commonwealth of VA, are
preserved in the VA State Library.  The Grant and Patents were copied
there and a very extensive study was made of Films J.R.3390 and
J.R.3396 for this volume.

Hughes shows the following POYTHRESS listings from his extensive study
of the Grants & Patents:

  -- on Hughes p.4, in his listing of Regal Government Land Grants in
Dinwiddie Co, VA there is one POYTHRESS:  William POYTHRESS 31/171 [no
explanation of that column:  perhaps Vol.31, p.171?] dated 3 Aug 1752,
531 acres [Hughes does not include any descriptions of the land, for
anyone]

  -- on Hughes p.7, in his listing of Land Patents Granted in
Dinwiddie Co, VA by the Commonwealth of VA there is one Poythress:
Peter POYTHRESS,  A/328 [no explanation of that column:  perhaps
Vol.A, p.328?] dated 29 May 1780, 49 acres

  -- in Commissioners of Revenue records of land tax records 1782-1820
on Hughes p.10-34 with 1782 Land Tax, and then p.35-189 an
alphabetical listing by name order, with info re all the remaining
years put at one place for that name:

    --- p.18 [thus 1782] Hughes lists the following, with the lines re
Cryer and Hilton apparently referring to some of POYTHRESS' land that
was adjacent to those people. This is copied from Hughes' book with
indents as he shows them, enabling all the numbers of acres to show in
a steady column on the right.  My assumption is that "BW" may well
stand for Bounty Warrant --  beside some other peoples' names Hughes
would put another county in parentheses such as "(PG)" if the person
was a resident of Prince George. but since this "BW" was not in
parentheses, I don't think it stands for Brunswick Co here.  Hughes
put:
POYTHRESS, Colo. Peter  BW  1,000 acres
                             Adj. Cryer  324 acres
                       Tommy Hilton  404 acres

    --- p.137 [thus years 1783-1820 land taxes] Hughes put the
following. Note, I am converting Hughes' fractions to decimals, so
rather than putting 3/4, or spelled out three-quarters, I am putting
.75  Also be aware that any parentheses are as shown by Hughes, and my
own notes are in square brackets.  Hughes showed 3 POYTHRESS men in
this section:

- POYTHRESS, Francis:
   -- 1795-1806 taxed on 100 acres conv[eyed] by William Cross

- POYTHRESS, Patrick H:
   -- 1813-1815 taxed on 94.75 acres.
   -- 1816-1817 taxed on Archer Coleman live[?] 94.75 acres
   -- 1818-1819 taxed on 44.75 acres  conv[eyed] 50 acres to Charles
Clay [Bpn note:  hmm, I'd like to see the original to see if Clay was
shown with a period at the end of it:  Clay.  which perhaps could be
an abbreviation for "Clayton" which is an alternative spelling of
"Cleaton" back in that time period]
   -- 1820 taxed on 94.75 acres (improperly chg. last year) on
Br[anch] of Namozene Cr[eek] 18 N CH. [18 miles north from the court
house]

- POYTHRESS, Col. Peter:
   -- 1787-1792 taxed on 1,000 acres, 324 acres, & 404 acres
   -- 1793-1795 taxed on 1,000 acres & 404 acres
   -- 1796-1806 taxed on 1,000 acres

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Dinwiddie County - references to pursue for placing Poythress menSorry that it has taken me so long to respond to your message Barbara, but on June 28, the day you sent this, my youngest son was in a very bad car accident. He hit a tree and went through the windshield. He was med-flighted to VCU(mcv) where he stayed for 5 days and returned home to recoop. He has broken ribs, foot, pelvis, and hip bone and will be on a walker until Oct. He won't be able to start his college classes in Aug, but will have to wait until Jan. However, we consider ourselves lucky because the truck was a total loss. The motor ended up in the cab and it actually looked like it had gone through a shredder. He of course has to go to Dr appointments almost every week, so my time in Dinwiddie has been cut short for now. I will get back on that as soon as I can. And I will probably need some help on how to go about checking on this stuff. When I get back to going every week I will let you know.
Teresa





-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Neal
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 28, 2010 8:59 pm
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Dinwiddie County - references to pursue for placing Poythress men


Teresa,
Thanks so much for offering to check on this! I hope these 3 below
sources of info will list some info helpful for "placing" where the
Poythress families in Dinwiddie were located in the last half of the
1700s.

There were Poythress families galore in Dinwiddie at the time Lewis
was born, around 1765-66 per his affidavit given in May 1846 at age
80. I think Maynard is fairly convinced Lewis' father was Thomas
Poythress, however I think we should consider possibilities among ALL
the Poythress families then in Dinwiddie. Those would include, as far
as I know, the following Poythress names, with some specific
references you could check when you are in Dinwiddie County:

In this email, I will capitalize POYTHRESS for spotting it more
easily, and I will separate the three SOURCES of info with a line like
this:

= = =

[Source #1]
>From TLC Genealogy's index-only book, "Dinwiddie Co, VA Surveyor's
Platt Book (1755-1796) and Court Orders (1789-1791): An Every Name
Index"
POYTHRESS names from the Surveyor's Platt Book of 1755-1796.
NOTE: for these page number references, you can see in a below
source how Thomas Hughes will present the info from these Platt Book
page-references:
-- POYTHRESS with no first name, p.26 & p.32
-- POYTHRESS, Edward, p.4
-- POYTHRESS, Francis, p.9
-- POYTHRESS, Hanna, p.15 (2 references on that pg)
-- POYTHRESS, Peter, p.27
-- POYTHRESS, Peter of Prince Geo Co, p.32
-- POYTHRESS, William, p.4
and the following POYTHRESS, names are listed in the Court Order
Book of 1789-1791:
-- POYTHRESS, Benjamin, p.126 (2 references) This page would be in
Nov Court 1789.
-- POYTHRESS, Peter, p.85 This page would be in Aug Court 1789.

= = =

[Source #2}
Thomas Hughes' book, "Dinwiddie County, VA Data 1762-1865"
NOTE: I am including here NOT ONLY the part of this book that I
did NOT post the other day, but also including what I did post the
other day of POYTHRESS references from Hughes' "List of Probable
Kinships" part of this volume,
AND I am adding from that same "List of Probable Kinships" the
Jones-Poythress and the Parsons-Poythress entries Hughes included, so
you'll have all the POYTHRESS info from this book by Hughes in one
place]

First however, Hughes section of the book for the Dinwiddie Co, VA
Surveyor's Platt Book 1755-1865, with page numbers as in the Platt
Book
NOTE: these correspond to the above index in TLC Genealogy's above book:

-- p.4: 18 April 1753, John Williams 38 ac[res] both sides of Reedy
Br[anch] adj[oining] William POYTHRESS, William Cryer, Samuel Gordon,
& Edward POYTHRESS. This certificate was afterwards altered to the
name of Zacharias Fenn.

-- p.15 [two entries on the same day on this page]:
March 18, 1761, Robert Hutchings, 16 ac[res] adj[oining] Hanna
POYTHRESS, John Grant, Abner Griggs & Richard Taylor [Bpn note: I do
not know of any relationship between Richard Taylor and Lewis' 2nd
wife Rebecca B Taylor; Rebecca's father was David Taylor, son of
Penelope Goodwin & Thomas Taylor, who I estimate was born about 1708?]
March 18, 1781, John Hardy, 96.75 a[cres] adj[oining] Hanna
POYTHRESS, John Grant, William Featherstone, William Eppes, James
Merrymoon & Zachery Overby.

-- p.27: August 15, 1772, Buffington Darwell, 32 ac[res] in Bath
Parish on SS [southside] Butterwood Cr[eek] adj[oining] Peter
POYTHRESS and Glover's line.

-- p.32: 1778, Peter POYTHRESS, Esq. of Prince George, 13 ac[res] in
Bath Parish on SS [southside] Butterwood Cr[eek] adj[oining] Peter
Wynne.

Hughes' book also has a section re "List of Probable Kinships from
Personalty Property Tax Rolls of 1782-1820" The list has no
explanation of how he came up with these probably kinships. To try to
figure that out, I looked at the Binns-Genealogy-scans of the 1782
Personal Property Tax Roll of Dinwiddie Co, VA -- the only year I've
seen for Dinwiddie.

The 1782 (and presumably the other years Hughes examined) records were
all completely handwritten, showing just after the name of the
taxed-person [or the estate] being charged with the tax, beginning on
the same line (and extending to additional lines when more space was
needed) some taxed-persons' entries show an additional full name --
with NO notation of why his tax is being paid by the taxed-person.

Traditionally in Virginia records, this 2nd full name on the line with
the taxed-person has been the name of the taxable-head-of-household's
SON who is also of taxable age.

When the surname of that 2nd full name is different from the
taxed-person, it seems to me that it could tend to indicate a stepson,
perhaps from the wife's former marriage, or some other relative in the
household who has reached the taxable age.

If that understanding is correct, then this list of "Probable
Kinships" helps us to figure out which Poythress was married to
Delphy, who had formerly been married to a Wilkinson /Wilkerson.

[Also some entries in the original 1782 scans also include after the
taxed-person a series of first names only; these would be the slaves
regarding whom the taxed-person is paying an additional tax. Hughes
did not include these slaves' first names at all in his compiled
book.]

"Probable Kinships" shown for POYTHRESS-taxed-surnames & for other
POYTHRESS kinships shown in Hughes book [Note: for 1782 entries,
which I examined on the Binns Genealogy scans, I'm adding the slaves'
names]:

- Jones, John Jr
--- 1782: John POYTHRESS & Joseph Hazelwood
--- 1786: Edward Jackson, Daniel Elder, John Chambers & Charles Whitmore

- Parsons, Sterling
--- 1800: Thomas Parsons & John Gibbs
--- 1802: William Parsons, Gardner & Nathan Hawkins
--- 1803: Peter POYTHRESS, Nathan Hawkins & Reader Floyd
--- 1804: Nathan Hawkins & Reader Floyd
--- 1806: william Parsons
--- 1807: Right Miles

- "For Peter POYTHRESS" [1782 as seen on 1782 scan; no title shown
such as "Colonel" This was not shown in Hughes' book] - John Lamb,
Joe, bill, Sall,
Biddy, Winny, China, Ned, Antony, Kate, Moll,
Pat, Isham, Muria[?], Aggy, Matt, Sarah, Buk[?]

- POYTHRESS, Francis
--- 1782: D.C. Meanly, Dick [Dick was slave added here from scan]
--- 1793-1795: Reuben Wilkerson

- "Peter POYTHRESS" [in 1782, a 2nd listing for a Peter, not
immediately below the above "For Peter" entry, with no distinction
indicated for this Peter versus the above Peter] - Matt, Moses, Scott,
Moll,
Patt, Sarah, Pris, Jane, tab, Sid, Peg, Hannah,
Peter, Chance, Dilcie, David, Mingo, Stephen[ or Japhen?],
Tab, Billy, Tab, Nelly, Lilly, Buk, Tom, Aggy

- POYTHRESS, John
--- 1793-1795: William POYTHRESS

- POYTHRESS, Colo. Peter Estate
--- 1787 - John Lamb
--- 1789 - John Lamb

= = =

[Source #3]
Thomas Hughes' volume "Land Records [of] Dinwiddie Co, VA 1752-1820"
Hughes gives this info in the foreword: Dinwiddie Co, VA was formed
in 1752 from Prince George Co, VA. All the early Courthouse records
were lost during the Civil War. However, the Grants, Patents, and Land
Tax Records, copies of which were kept by the Commonwealth of VA, are
preserved in the VA State Library. The Grant and Patents were copied
there and a very extensive study was made of Films J.R.3390 and
J.R.3396 for this volume.

Hughes shows the following POYTHRESS listings from his extensive study
of the Grants & Patents:

-- on Hughes p.4, in his listing of Regal Government Land Grants in
Dinwiddie Co, VA there is one POYTHRESS: William POYTHRESS 31/171 [no
explanation of that column: perhaps Vol.31, p.171?] dated 3 Aug 1752,
531 acres [Hughes does not include any descriptions of the land, for
anyone]

-- on Hughes p.7, in his listing of Land Patents Granted in
Dinwiddie Co, VA by the Commonwealth of VA there is one Poythress:
Peter POYTHRESS, A/328 [no explanation of that column: perhaps
Vol.A, p.328?] dated 29 May 1780, 49 acres

-- in Commissioners of Revenue records of land tax records 1782-1820
on Hughes p.10-34 with 1782 Land Tax, and then p.35-189 an
alphabetical listing by name order, with info re all the remaining
years put at one place for that name:

--- p.18 [thus 1782] Hughes lists the following, with the lines re
Cryer and Hilton apparently referring to some of POYTHRESS' land that
was adjacent to those people. This is copied from Hughes' book with
indents as he shows them, enabling all the numbers of acres to show in
a steady column on the right. My assumption is that "BW" may well
stand for Bounty Warrant -- beside some other peoples' names Hughes
would put another county in parentheses such as "(PG)" if the person
was a resident of Prince George. but since this "BW" was not in
parentheses, I don't think it stands for Brunswick Co here. Hughes
put:
POYTHRESS, Colo. Peter BW 1,000 acres
Adj. Cryer 324 acres
Tommy Hilton 404 acres

--- p.137 [thus years 1783-1820 land taxes] Hughes put the
following. Note, I am converting Hughes' fractions to decimals, so
rather than putting 3/4, or spelled out three-quarters, I am putting
.75 Also be aware that any parentheses are as shown by Hughes, and my
own notes are in square brackets. Hughes showed 3 POYTHRESS men in
this section:

- POYTHRESS, Francis:
-- 1795-1806 taxed on 100 acres conv[eyed] by William Cross

- POYTHRESS, Patrick H:
-- 1813-1815 taxed on 94.75 acres.
-- 1816-1817 taxed on Archer Coleman live[?] 94.75 acres
-- 1818-1819 taxed on 44.75 acres conv[eyed] 50 acres to Charles
Clay [Bpn note: hmm, I'd like to see the original to see if Clay was
shown with a period at the end of it: Clay. which perhaps could be
an abbreviation for "Clayton" which is an alternative spelling of
"Cleaton" back in that time period]
-- 1820 taxed on 94.75 acres (improperly chg. last year) on
Br[anch] of Namozene Cr[eek] 18 N CH. [18 miles north from the court
house]

- POYTHRESS, Col. Peter:
-- 1787-1792 taxed on 1,000 acres, 324 acres, & 404 acres
-- 1793-1795 taxed on 1,000 acres & 404 acres
-- 1796-1806 taxed on 1,000 acres

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Re: [POYTHRESS] Richard Pace and Francis PoythressRandy JonesJohn, this is a well-written article.  You make a compelling case as to the
parentage of Rebecca, wife of Francis Poythress, as well as that of her sisters.

Traditionally, Rebecca has been shown as the daughter of John Cogan, but I've
never thought it was well attested.

Do we have any comments from others on the forum who are more knowledgeable than
I about the early Poythresses?

  -- Randy Jones




________________________________
From: John
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 6:52:51 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Richard Pace and Francis Poythress

I have started a new Pace website http://pacespaines.com/. My first article
is posted and some may find it controversial, although I sincerely believe
in its truth. It states that Mary Pace was not the daughter of Richard
Baker. It also states Rebecca Poythress, wife of Francis Poythress, was not
the daughter of John Cogan. The article also shows that Richard Pace and
Francis Poythress were related by blood, and not by marriage. To go straight
to the article click here:
http://pacespaines.com/index.php?p=1_10_Pace-Poythress. An accompanying map
is here: http://pacespaines.com/index.php?p=1_8_Tye-s-Old-Town-Plat.

John Pace







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Re: [POYTHRESS] Richard Pace and Francis PoythressLou PooleI've been very remiss in not replying before now. It's partly because
the proof developed is so complicated, and because I've not totally
bought into the totality of the conclusions, and because interruptions
keep conspiring against me.

But for what it might be worth... I think the evidence and proof
offered that Rebecca was not a daughter of John Cogan is most
convincing. Of course, I entered the argument already convinced that
proof of her parentage was lacking.

On a related question does anyone know if Richard "Tye" was the same
man as Richard "Tyas"/"Tyus"? Spelling in the records was so chaotic
in those days, and it does appear at first glance that they might be
the same man, but I cannot be sure, and I haven't had the time yet to
unravel this riddle for myself.

Lou Poole

-----Original Message-----
From: poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com
[mailto:poythress-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Jones
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 11:00 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Richard Pace and Francis Poythress

John, this is a well-written article.  You make a compelling case as
to the
parentage of Rebecca, wife of Francis Poythress, as well as that of
her sisters.

Traditionally, Rebecca has been shown as the daughter of John Cogan,
but I've
never thought it was well attested.

Do we have any comments from others on the forum who are more
knowledgeable than
I about the early Poythresses?

  -- Randy Jones




________________________________
From: John
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 6:52:51 PM
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Richard Pace and Francis Poythress

I have started a new Pace website http://pacespaines.com/. My first
article
is posted and some may find it controversial, although I sincerely
believe
in its truth. It states that Mary Pace was not the daughter of Richard
Baker. It also states Rebecca Poythress, wife of Francis Poythress,
was not
the daughter of John Cogan. The article also shows that Richard Pace
and
Francis Poythress were related by blood, and not by marriage. To go
straight
to the article click here:
http://pacespaines.com/index.php?p=1_10_Pace-Poythress. An
accompanying map
is here: http://pacespaines.com/index.php?p=1_8_Tye-s-Old-Town-Plat.

John Pace







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quotes in the subject and the body of the message		07/26/2010 4:18:11
Re: [POYTHRESS] Richard Pace and Francis PoythressJohnRandy:
Thank you for the compliment. I have done much research and land plotting,
along with Valerie Tice historian of the Pace Society, to come to my
conclusions. Surprisingly to me, the article has drawn little attention. I
know that traditionally Rebecca was thought to have been the daughter of
John Cogan, however, I feel the dispersal of the Richard Tye, Old Town land
plat coupled with the testimony of John Jane disproves that theory. I also
realize that traditional opinions are hard to change because I have been
through a lot changing some opinions of Pace Genealogy published in the book
by Bruce Howard. However, I am not the first person to state that Rebecca
was the daughter of Tye and not Cogan, see The Descendants of Cheney Boyce
"Ancient Planter", by John Brayton published 1996. I had read Mr.
Brayton's opinions before, then after the land platting was complete, I was
convinced he was right about Rebecca's parentage. And to be quite honest, I
had always felt that Francis Poythress and Richard Pace had to have had some
blood relationship, even after the Richard Pace and Rebecca Poythress [the
younger] marriage had been dispelled. I knew no other means to make the
information public other than opening a website and hope the article at
least opens a new dialogue on the subject.

John Pace

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Randy Jones"
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 11:59 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Richard Pace and Francis Poythress

> John, this is a well-written article. You make a compelling case as to
> the
> parentage of Rebecca, wife of Francis Poythress, as well as that of her
> sisters.
>
> Traditionally, Rebecca has been shown as the daughter of John Cogan, but
> I've
> never thought it was well attested.
>
> Do we have any comments from others on the forum who are more
> knowledgeable than
> I about the early Poythresses?
>
> -- Randy Jones
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: John
> To: poythress@rootsweb.com
> Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 6:52:51 PM
> Subject: [POYTHRESS] Richard Pace and Francis Poythress
>
> I have started a new Pace website http://pacespaines.com/. My first
> article
> is posted and some may find it controversial, although I sincerely believe
> in its truth. It states that Mary Pace was not the daughter of Richard
> Baker. It also states Rebecca Poythress, wife of Francis Poythress, was
> not
> the daughter of John Cogan. The article also shows that Richard Pace and
> Francis Poythress were related by blood, and not by marriage. To go
> straight
> to the article click here:
> http://pacespaines.com/index.php?p=1_10_Pace-Poythress. An accompanying
> map
> is here: http://pacespaines.com/index.php?p=1_8_Tye-s-Old-Town-Plat.
>
> John Pace
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[POYTHRESS] Brunswick Cemetery IndexJohn M. Poythresshttp://www.brunswickcemeteries.org/Index/index_a.htm



Above site is extensive, well indexed and easy to navigate. It even brings up stones

indexed by maiden names. Almost all are 20th century graves but those of you searching

in later years might find a nougat.



This site was the subject of a blog by a fellow named Kevin Lett who runs a neat site

himself at www.virginiafamilytree.com with many
blog posts that lead to interesting

references and links.



Maynard		08/01/2010 1:55:28
Re: [POYTHRESS] Brunswick Cemetery IndexJudy scruggsThanks Mayanard.
 Judy



--- On Sun, 8/1/10, John M. Poythress wrote:


From: John M. Poythress
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Brunswick Cemetery Index
To: poythress-l@rootsweb.com
Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 7:55 PM


http://www.brunswickcemeteries.org/Index/index_a.htm



Above site is extensive, well indexed and easy to navigate.  It even brings up stones

indexed by maiden names.  Almost all are 20th century graves but those of you searching

in later years might find a nougat.



This site was the subject of a blog by a fellow named Kevin Lett who runs a neat site

himself at www.virginiafamilytree.com    with many
blog posts that lead to interesting

references and links.



Maynard







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[POYTHRESS] Neat, neat map site.....John M. Poythresswww.davidrumsey.com to be sure, the site is
selling map prints but it's set up for research as well

and seems to have blue million maps which can be viewed and manipulated many ways.



Maynard




08/05/2010 8:49:23
[POYTHRESS] Ruth Poythress - Pittsboro, NC funeral; Smithfield, NC remembrancesBarbara NealOur sympathy goes out to the family of Ruth Poythress. Her obit, as
located at Legacy.com, and published in The News & Observer on July
28, 2010, is below. If anyone is aware of which Poythress line she
was part of, it would be nice to know.

Ruth Aline Poythress, 90, passed away on July 13, 2010. Graveside
service will be held on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 at 9:30 a.m. at Mt.
Gilead Baptist Church in Pittsboro, NC, with Rev. Dan Robinson
officiating. In lieu of flowers memorial contributions may be made to
the Smithfield Public Library, 305 E. Market Street, Smithfield, NC
275277. Condolences may be made to the family at
www.mclaurinatpinecrest.com. Arrangements by McLaurin at Pinecrest,
Funerals & Cremation, Clayton.		08/10/2010 3:19:22
[POYTHRESS] Thomas Smith Poythress - obit; service tomorrow in Richmond, VABarbara NealOur sympathy to the entire family for the loss of this dear fellow.
Barbara

As published in Richmond Times-Dispatch on August 23, 2010:
Thomas Poythress
POYTHRESS, Thomas Smith, 78, of Mechanicsville, went home to be with
the Lord on Sunday, August 22, 2010. He was the youngest of nine
children of the late Foxall and Annie Mae Poythress of Bracey, Va. He
is survived by his wife, Mildred; son, Jeffrey Poythress and his wife,
Cathy; daughter, Cynthia Balderson and her husband, Ron;
grandchildren, Kelly and Molly Balderson; sisters, Agnes Hudson and
Ella Mae Kidd; and numerous nieces, nephews and other family members.
He was a 50-year member of Fairmount Memorial Baptist Church, where a
funeral service will be held on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 at 1 p.m.
with Interment to follow in Forest Lawn Cemetery. The family will
receive friends on Monday, August 23 from 2 to 4 and 6 to 8 p.m. at
Bennett Funeral Home, 8014 Lee-Davis Road, Mechanicsville. In lieu of
flowers, donations may be made to Fairmount Memorial Baptist Church.		08/23/2010 3:02:27
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-----Original Message-----
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John M. Poythress
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:14
To: poythress-l@rootsweb.com
Subject: [POYTHRESS] of interest....

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Re: [POYTHRESS] of interest - Maitland & FludhaBarbara NealMaynard, without going to google images as you suggested, I simply
went to google, and searched on Maitland AND fludha. In the first
result, I found that combination of names was mentioned in our own
List messages before:

Back in March 2005, our List Subscriber Teresa Willis wrote to us
asking how to request a copy of an article from the then-Flowerdew
Hundred Foundation, about which article Karen Shriver had written "Ms.
Torrance's work, A Tale of Two Houses in Virginia and Kirkcudbright is
available upon request. A photo of the house c. 1870 is included"

I presume that article and the photos of those 2 houses, and the late
1700s Poythress-Maitland marriage, is related to what you were
alerting us about a few days ago, on 1 Sep 2010. The article and the
photos can be found, thanks to the second reference I found today at
google's findings to Maitland and Fludha.

This URL has those photos and the entire content of the brief article
mentioned above: "A Tale of Two Houses" in Virginia and Kirkcudbright
By Margaret Torrance, MA
This URL is at a website having a much shorter URL than the one you cited:
http://www.fludha.com/history.html

In a sidebar at that website, there is a descendancy chart which shows
the Poythress connection, which I'm hereby transcribing for
text-reading as follows, with thanks to Margaret Torrance or whoever
added it at the Fludha historical website:

FAMILY TREE of Elizabeth Agnes Maitland
(who is also called Miss Betsy in Torrance's article):
- John McMichen of Barcaple (no dates or spouse shown)
- His daughter Mary McMichen (1652-1735) married Wm. Maitland (1635-1681)
- Their son Alexander Maitland (1677-1746) married Agnes Smart (1691-1767)
- Their son Alexander Maitland (1731-1813) married Helen Campbell (who d.1812)
- Their son David Maitland (who d.1792) married Mary Currie (who d.1774)
- Their son David Maitland (1759-1838) married Susanna Poythress (1766-1799)
- They had 3 daughters:
(1) Mary Currie Maitland (1790-1795)
(2) Elizabeth Agnes Maitland (1793-1879)
(3) Susanna Poythress Maitland (1798-1840)

The full article and the photos can be quickly reviewed and read at"
http://www.fludha.com/history.html		09/04/2010 3:19:39
Re: [POYTHRESS] of interest - Maitland & FludhaBarbara NealCorrection: I should have said 2 photos of the same house, Fludha, at
Kirkcudbright in Scotland, appear at the website. No photo is known
to exist of the original house at Flowerdew Hundred in Virginia.
Sorry for my misstatement. Again, the website for the article and the
photos is:
http://www.fludha.com/history.html		09/04/2010 3:31:52
Re: [POYTHRESS] of interest - Maitland & FludhaJudy scruggsThanks Barb,
 Great find & info.
 Judy


--- On Sat, 9/4/10, Barbara Neal wrote:


From: Barbara Neal
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] of interest - Maitland & Fludha
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 11:19 PM


Maynard, without going to google images as you suggested, I simply
went to google, and searched on Maitland AND fludha.  In the first
result, I found that combination of names was mentioned in our own
List messages before:

Back in March 2005, our List Subscriber Teresa Willis wrote to us
asking how to request a copy of an article from the then-Flowerdew
Hundred Foundation, about which article Karen Shriver had written "Ms.
Torrance's work, A Tale of Two Houses in Virginia and Kirkcudbright is
available upon request. A photo of the house c. 1870 is included"

I presume that article and the photos of those 2 houses, and the late
1700s Poythress-Maitland marriage, is related to what you were
alerting us about a few days ago, on 1 Sep 2010.  The article and the
photos can be found, thanks to the second reference I found today at
google's findings to Maitland and Fludha.

This URL has those photos and the entire content of the brief article
mentioned above:  "A Tale of Two Houses" in Virginia and Kirkcudbright
By Margaret Torrance, MA
This URL is at a website having a much shorter URL than the one you cited:
http://www.fludha.com/history.html

In a sidebar at that website, there is a descendancy chart which shows
the Poythress connection, which I'm hereby transcribing for
text-reading as follows, with thanks to Margaret Torrance or whoever
added it at the Fludha historical website:

FAMILY TREE of Elizabeth Agnes Maitland
(who is also called Miss Betsy in Torrance's article):
- John McMichen of Barcaple (no dates or spouse shown)
- His daughter Mary McMichen (1652-1735) married Wm. Maitland (1635-1681)
- Their son Alexander Maitland (1677-1746) married Agnes Smart (1691-1767)
- Their son Alexander Maitland (1731-1813) married Helen Campbell (who d.1812)
- Their son David Maitland (who d.1792) married Mary Currie (who d.1774)
- Their son David Maitland (1759-1838) married Susanna Poythress (1766-1799)
- They had 3 daughters:
   (1) Mary Currie Maitland (1790-1795)
   (2) Elizabeth Agnes Maitland (1793-1879)
   (3) Susanna Poythress Maitland (1798-1840)

The full article and the photos can be quickly reviewed and read at"
http://www.fludha.com/history.html

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Re: [POYTHRESS] of interest - Maitland & FludhaGinger MalphrusGinger is just back today from gall bladder surgery, so she will be
reading your messages a little later.
jackie

Barbara Neal wrote:
> Correction: I should have said 2 photos of the same house, Fludha, at
> Kirkcudbright in Scotland, appear at the website. No photo is known
> to exist of the original house at Flowerdew Hundred in Virginia.
> Sorry for my misstatement. Again, the website for the article and the
> photos is:
> http://www.fludha.com/history.html
>
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>		09/05/2010 5:01:31
[POYTHRESS] 1746 PG Co, VA Patent John Wagnon re William Poythress - missing from our website compilationBarbara NealBelow is the text from "Cavaliers and Pioneers, Volume V, 1741-1749"
by Dennis Hudgins for a Patent, text of which has not previously been
included at our Poythress research website (Poythress.net) on its page
under "Primary Records" in the section for "Deeds, Patents, and
Grants." Hopefully our webmaster will see this message and add the
below 1746 Patent. [See my side notes, below the Patent, for "Mesne
Conveyance," and for names recognized in the same day's Patents
recorded, and for Wagnon info.]

I am spelling out recognizable abbreviations in the Patent, such as
acs = acres, S = South, sd = said, Cr = Creek, the county name, etc.
The square brackets [like these] are from Hudgins' transcription in
C&P, while the parenthetical info is from me.

Virginia Patent Book No.24:
John Wagnon, 576 acres Prince George County on the South side of
Stoney Creek, by the side of the Nottoway River Road and said Wagnons
fence; Beginning at his old Corner in Bollings Line, to the Land
purchased of William Poythress; 25 Sep 1746, p.448 (Bpn note: this
date and page number appear to be the then-current date of recording
Wagnon's Patent, and the page number for recording it within Patent
Book No.24, from the context of numerous other patents on the same
page and nearby pages in this volume of Cavaliers and Pioneers). £1.
400 acres part formerly Granted William Poythress by Patent 24 Mar.
1734/35 [Patent Book 15, p.461] the Right and Title of which said
400 acres by Mesne Conveyances is since become Vested in the said John
Wagnon and 176 acres the residue never before Granted.
=
SIDE NOTE re "Mesne Conveyance" - from Black's Law Dictionary, Deluxe
Fourth Edition (1951): Mesne conveyance - an intermediate
conveyance; one occupying an intermediate position in a chain of title
between the first grantee and the present holder. Bpn notes that from
that definition, it sounds to me like the "purchased of William
Poythress" occured sometime after 20 Mar 1734/35 when William
Poythress' patent was granted to the 400 acres, and before the
then-current date of 25 Sep 1746 when the above Patent was recorded
for Wagnon.

SIDE NOTE re other patents recorded on 25 Sep 1746: On that date,
this volume shows there were 88 Patents recorded, including numerous
surnamed men getting Patents, a few of which are familiar from other
potential Poythress connections, and one other patent even mentions
William Poythress. In these, I am abbreviating Prince George County
as "PG Co."
- William Elder, 400 acres PG Co on both sides of the Reedy Branch of
Butterwood Swamp, adjacent William Poythress; 25 Sep 1746, p.444. £2.
- Harrison - numerous first named Harrison men that day getting patents;
- Robert Bolling - his was also on South side of Stoney Creek, 130
acres in PG Co, adjacent to Cornelius Fox, his (own) old and new
lines, and Evans;
- William Cleyton - apparently an alternate spelling of Clayton. His
was 200 acres of PG Co on the upper part of the Beaver pong Branch of
Nottoway River, adjacent to John Whitmore.

SIDE NOTE re WAGNON: From our earlier Poythress List messages (in
late 1990s & early 2000s) mentioning a John Peter Wagnon, and a
Thomas Poythress Wagnon, I had initially thought this John Wagnon
might be John Peter Wagnon. However recently received info from a
woman regarding an indication of a DNA match to my brother on the new
FamilyFinder DNA test, and her info reveals that John Peter Wagnon
(who she noted was brother of Thomas Poythress Wagnon) was not yet
born at the time of this Patent, so this would be an earlier John
Wagnon. The maternal line for her uncle that she shared shows:
- Thomas Wagnon (b.1727 in VA; marr 1748; d.1810 in Green Co, GA) &
Frances Vaughn (b.1730; d.1805 in Green Co, GA))
- Their son John Peter Wagnon (b.1 Mar 1758 in VA; m.?; d.22 Aug 1828
n.p.) & Mary Burrill (no dates or places shown). Note: she also
stated in her message that this "John Peter Wagnon b. 1758 in VA [had]
a brother named Thomas Poythress Wagnon b. 1762."		09/06/2010 4:43:14
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1746 PG Co, VA Patent John Wagnon re William Poythress - missing from our website compilationAlbert TimsBarbara,

Thank you for this new item -- it will be added to the website in the
coming week.

Best,

Al

On Sep 6, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Barbara Neal wrote:

> Below is the text from "Cavaliers and Pioneers, Volume V, 1741-1749"
> by Dennis Hudgins for a Patent, text of which has not previously been
> included at our Poythress research website (Poythress.net) on its page
> under "Primary Records" in the section for "Deeds, Patents, and
> Grants." Hopefully our webmaster will see this message and add the
> below 1746 Patent. [See my side notes, below the Patent, for "Mesne
> Conveyance," and for names recognized in the same day's Patents
> recorded, and for Wagnon info.]
>
> I am spelling out recognizable abbreviations in the Patent, such as
> acs = acres, S = South, sd = said, Cr = Creek, the county name, etc.
> The square brackets [like these] are from Hudgins' transcription in
> C&P, while the parenthetical info is from me.
>
> Virginia Patent Book No.24:
> John Wagnon, 576 acres Prince George County on the South side of
> Stoney Creek, by the side of the Nottoway River Road and said Wagnons
> fence; Beginning at his old Corner in Bollings Line, to the Land
> purchased of William Poythress; 25 Sep 1746, p.448 (Bpn note: this
> date and page number appear to be the then-current date of recording
> Wagnon's Patent, and the page number for recording it within Patent
> Book No.24, from the context of numerous other patents on the same
> page and nearby pages in this volume of Cavaliers and Pioneers). £1.
> 400 acres part formerly Granted William Poythress by Patent 24 Mar.
> 1734/35 [Patent Book 15, p.461] the Right and Title of which said
> 400 acres by Mesne Conveyances is since become Vested in the said John
> Wagnon and 176 acres the residue never before Granted.
> =
> SIDE NOTE re "Mesne Conveyance" - from Black's Law Dictionary, Deluxe
> Fourth Edition (1951): Mesne conveyance - an intermediate
> conveyance; one occupying an intermediate position in a chain of title
> between the first grantee and the present holder. Bpn notes that from
> that definition, it sounds to me like the "purchased of William
> Poythress" occured sometime after 20 Mar 1734/35 when William
> Poythress' patent was granted to the 400 acres, and before the
> then-current date of 25 Sep 1746 when the above Patent was recorded
> for Wagnon.
>
> SIDE NOTE re other patents recorded on 25 Sep 1746: On that date,
> this volume shows there were 88 Patents recorded, including numerous
> surnamed men getting Patents, a few of which are familiar from other
> potential Poythress connections, and one other patent even mentions
> William Poythress. In these, I am abbreviating Prince George County
> as "PG Co."
> - William Elder, 400 acres PG Co on both sides of the Reedy Branch of
> Butterwood Swamp, adjacent William Poythress; 25 Sep 1746, p.444. £2.
> - Harrison - numerous first named Harrison men that day getting
> patents;
> - Robert Bolling - his was also on South side of Stoney Creek, 130
> acres in PG Co, adjacent to Cornelius Fox, his (own) old and new
> lines, and Evans;
> - William Cleyton - apparently an alternate spelling of Clayton. His
> was 200 acres of PG Co on the upper part of the Beaver pong Branch of
> Nottoway River, adjacent to John Whitmore.
>
> SIDE NOTE re WAGNON: From our earlier Poythress List messages (in
> late 1990s & early 2000s) mentioning a John Peter Wagnon, and a
> Thomas Poythress Wagnon, I had initially thought this John Wagnon
> might be John Peter Wagnon. However recently received info from a
> woman regarding an indication of a DNA match to my brother on the new
> FamilyFinder DNA test, and her info reveals that John Peter Wagnon
> (who she noted was brother of Thomas Poythress Wagnon) was not yet
> born at the time of this Patent, so this would be an earlier John
> Wagnon. The maternal line for her uncle that she shared shows:
> - Thomas Wagnon (b.1727 in VA; marr 1748; d.1810 in Green Co, GA) &
> Frances Vaughn (b.1730; d.1805 in Green Co, GA))
> - Their son John Peter Wagnon (b.1 Mar 1758 in VA; m.?; d.22 Aug 1828
> n.p.) & Mary Burrill (no dates or places shown). Note: she also
> stated in her message that this "John Peter Wagnon b. 1758 in VA [had]
> a brother named Thomas Poythress Wagnon b. 1762."
>
>
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> the body of the message		09/09/2010 3:03:21
Re: [POYTHRESS] 1746 PG Co, VA Patent John Wagnon re William Poythress - missing from our website compilationBarbara NealThanks, Al. Appreciate all your good work.



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[POYTHRESS] Death of Betty (Harrell) Poythress of Meridian, MS on 11 Oct 2010Barbara NealI learned today from a cousin of Betty's death last month. She was
the widow of James Louie Poythress (he had died 17 Feb 2009, and was
buried at Forest Lawn Memory Gardens). She died in Meridian, MS,
following a stroke. Her funeral service was on Weds 13 Oct 2010.

Arrangements were under the direction of Forest Lawn Memory Gardens,
Meridian, MS. (The sentence about her arrangements, was published
online on October 21, 2010 courtesy of Dignity Memorial.) I have not
located any obituary for her online.

Survivors in the Meridian area as of Feb 2009, at the time of Betty's
husband's death, included a daughter, Susan Gardner and her husband,
Mike; a son, Jimmie Poythress and his wife, Patty; three grandsons:
Jeremy Gardner, Daniel Gardner, and Jacob Gardner; two granddaughters,
Hannah Poythress and Me'Chell Sharp and her husband, Matt; three
great-grandchildren: Ethan and Eli Faircloth and Ava Sharp.		11/29/2010 11:11:56
[POYTHRESS] Martha Ann Poythress of Savannah H.S. 1940sBarbara NealOn Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Ginger Malphrus
wrote:
> Did you happen to know Martha Ann Poythress. She went to Savannah High School in the 40's. She probably graduated in 1946.
>Ginger's mother, jackie
=
I'm editing the caption of Ginger's mother, Jackie's, query (above) so
that the subject line may prompt response from anyone who can fill
Ginger in further regarding Martha Ann.

>From the info Jackie gave, this COULD be the deceased sister of our
List member, Bud Poythress. She was born in Savannah, Bud said at one
point. She married Glee Edwin Bridges (I don't know marr date).

Bud's sister's publicly-available entry in the SSDI (Social Security
Death Index) shows:

BRIDGES, MARTHA P, b.01 Aug 1928, d.20 Mar 2007 at age 78, last zip
28086 (Kings Mountain, Cleveland, NC); SS # from NC

Her obit appeared in The Charlotte Observer on Weds, 21 March 2007.
>From having seen it, my notes then were:

Martha's obituary included a good photo of her. For some reason, her
older brother LeRoof (Bud) Poythress is not listed among the
survivors, even though I know he went to her funeral. Her obit article
read as follows:

Martha Poythress Bridges
Kings Mountain -- Mrs. Bridges, age 78, a resident of 905 Crescent
Circle, died Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at Hospice. She was a native of
Savannah, GA, daughter of the late Joseph Eugene Poythress and Martha
Gnann Kemsley. She was a member of St. Matthew's Lutheran Church,
where she was an active member, having served as the President of the
Church Council, a member of the Altar Guild, and as a Sunday school
teacher. She was a teacher and administrator and retired from Kings
Mountain District Schools. She served on the board of the Kings
Mountain Crisis Ministry, and was a Hospice volunteer.
Survivors include her husband, Glee Edwin Bridges of Kings Mountain;
sons Ed Bridges and wife Andrea, of Georgetown, TX, and Tom Bridges
and wife, Sandy, of Jackson, TN; daughter Lynne Presley and husband,
Steve, of Hendersonville, NC; and grandchildren, Chris Bridges and
wife, Christy, of Hendersonville, NC, Jennifer Fulton of Asheville,
NC, Kelli Bridges of Clarksville, TN, Elizabeth Fulton of Burlington,
NC, Samantha Bridges of Jackson, TN and Catherine Fulton of
Hendersonville, NC.
Memorial service is 11:00 AM Friday, March 23, at St. Matthew's
Lutheran Church, with Rev. Bill Jeffcoat officiating. Visitation will
immediately follow in the church fellowship hall. Interment in
Mountain Rest Cemetery, Kings Mountain.
Memorials may be made to St. Matthew's Lutheran Church, 201 N.
Piedmont Ave, Kings Mountain, NC or to Hospice of Cleveland County,
951 Wendover Heights, Shelby, NC 28150.
Guest register is available at www.harrisfunerals.com. Arrangements
by Harris Funeral Home of Kings Mountain.		11/30/2010 2:40:33
Re: [POYTHRESS] Death of Betty (Harrell) Poythress of Meridian, MS on 11 Oct 2010Ginger MalphrusDid you happen to know Martha Ann Poythress. She went to Savannah High
School in the 40's. She probably graduated in 1946.
Ginger's mother, jackie

On 11/29/2010 8:11 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:
> I learned today from a cousin of Betty's death last month. She was
> the widow of James Louie Poythress (he had died 17 Feb 2009, and was
> buried at Forest Lawn Memory Gardens). She died in Meridian, MS,
> following a stroke. Her funeral service was on Weds 13 Oct 2010.
>
> Arrangements were under the direction of Forest Lawn Memory Gardens,
> Meridian, MS. (The sentence about her arrangements, was published
> online on October 21, 2010 courtesy of Dignity Memorial.) I have not
> located any obituary for her online.
>
> Survivors in the Meridian area as of Feb 2009, at the time of Betty's
> husband's death, included a daughter, Susan Gardner and her husband,
> Mike; a son, Jimmie Poythress and his wife, Patty; three grandsons:
> Jeremy Gardner, Daniel Gardner, and Jacob Gardner; two granddaughters,
> Hannah Poythress and Me'Chell Sharp and her husband, Matt; three
> great-grandchildren: Ethan and Eli Faircloth and Ava Sharp.
>
> -------------------------------
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>		11/30/2010 2:54:59
Re: [POYTHRESS] Martha Ann Poythress of Savannah H.S. 1940sGinger MalphrusOne and the same.
jackie

On 11/30/2010 11:40 AM, Barbara Neal wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Ginger Malphrus
> wrote:
>> Did you happen to know Martha Ann Poythress. She went to Savannah High School in the 40's. She probably graduated in 1946.
>> Ginger's mother, jackie
> =
> I'm editing the caption of Ginger's mother, Jackie's, query (above) so
> that the subject line may prompt response from anyone who can fill
> Ginger in further regarding Martha Ann.
>
> > From the info Jackie gave, this COULD be the deceased sister of our
> List member, Bud Poythress. She was born in Savannah, Bud said at one
> point. She married Glee Edwin Bridges (I don't know marr date).
>
> Bud's sister's publicly-available entry in the SSDI (Social Security
> Death Index) shows:
>
> BRIDGES, MARTHA P, b.01 Aug 1928, d.20 Mar 2007 at age 78, last zip
> 28086 (Kings Mountain, Cleveland, NC); SS # from NC
>
> Her obit appeared in The Charlotte Observer on Weds, 21 March 2007.
> > From having seen it, my notes then were:
>
> Martha's obituary included a good photo of her. For some reason, her
> older brother LeRoof (Bud) Poythress is not listed among the
> survivors, even though I know he went to her funeral. Her obit article
> read as follows:
>
> Martha Poythress Bridges
> Kings Mountain -- Mrs. Bridges, age 78, a resident of 905 Crescent
> Circle, died Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at Hospice. She was a native of
> Savannah, GA, daughter of the late Joseph Eugene Poythress and Martha
> Gnann Kemsley. She was a member of St. Matthew's Lutheran Church,
> where she was an active member, having served as the President of the
> Church Council, a member of the Altar Guild, and as a Sunday school
> teacher. She was a teacher and administrator and retired from Kings
> Mountain District Schools. She served on the board of the Kings
> Mountain Crisis Ministry, and was a Hospice volunteer.
> Survivors include her husband, Glee Edwin Bridges of Kings Mountain;
> sons Ed Bridges and wife Andrea, of Georgetown, TX, and Tom Bridges
> and wife, Sandy, of Jackson, TN; daughter Lynne Presley and husband,
> Steve, of Hendersonville, NC; and grandchildren, Chris Bridges and
> wife, Christy, of Hendersonville, NC, Jennifer Fulton of Asheville,
> NC, Kelli Bridges of Clarksville, TN, Elizabeth Fulton of Burlington,
> NC, Samantha Bridges of Jackson, TN and Catherine Fulton of
> Hendersonville, NC.
> Memorial service is 11:00 AM Friday, March 23, at St. Matthew's
> Lutheran Church, with Rev. Bill Jeffcoat officiating. Visitation will
> immediately follow in the church fellowship hall. Interment in
> Mountain Rest Cemetery, Kings Mountain.
> Memorials may be made to St. Matthew's Lutheran Church, 201 N.
> Piedmont Ave, Kings Mountain, NC or to Hospice of Cleveland County,
> 951 Wendover Heights, Shelby, NC 28150.
> Guest register is available at www.harrisfunerals.com. Arrangements
> by Harris Funeral Home of Kings Mountain.
>
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>		11/30/2010 7:44:22
[POYTHRESS] Question for Bud re WWII US Navy basic trainingBarbara NealBud,
Can you by any chance tell me whether San Diego was a location for US
Navy basic training during 1942? And how long was the basic training?

I ask, because my uncle (who died 26 Jun 1979 at age 65), Norman
Poythress, was in the US Navy in WWII. His kids and I do not know
exactly when he joined the Navy after Pearl Harbor, or where he went
for basic training, but we all know he served in the Pacific; I have
somewhere what Seaman class level he was, but he definitely was not of
high rank. I know that by April 1942 he was stationed at San Diego,
and may have been there for a while earlier.

Thanks for any enlightenment you can give re potential Navy basic training.
Cheers, Barbara		11/30/2010 9:19:44
Re: [POYTHRESS] Martha Ann Poythress of Savannah H.S. 1940sMartha Ann (Poythress) BRIDGES was my sister. My and her 'older' and
'oldest' brother, Joseph Eugene Poythress, Jr. was KIA aboard the USS Aaron
Ward DD483 in the South Pacific in the night battle (the very first major
naval battle of the south pacific) at Guadalcanal the night of November 12-13,
1942. Martha died of liver cancer in March 2007. And, I guess they just
missed me as one of her survivors in her obit! I may just file a complaint
with Martha, that is, when I get there myself.

Martha attended and graduated from Marion High School & Jr. College,
Marion, Virginia in, I believe, it was 1946 or '47.

and P.S. If the below message is from 'Jackie' (Poythress) Flanders, the
last I knew (which was just a couple weeks ago!) she still lives in Millen,
GA and Millen is in Jenkens County!

My late wife, Ester Merle (Clark) Poythress, originally of Emanuel
County, GA died October 9th, 2006

Cheers,

Bud (LeRoof Poythress)

Originally of Savannah, Chatham County, GA but presently living at
2324 S. 41st Street,
Wilmington, NC 28403
Phone: 910-791-7735
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


In a message dated 11/30/2010 2:47:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jackieandgin@bulloch.net writes:

One and the same.
jackie

On 11/30/2010 11:40 AM, Barbara Neal wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Ginger Malphrus
> wrote:
>> Did you happen to know Martha Ann Poythress. She went to Savannah High
School in the 40's. She probably graduated in 1946.
>> Ginger's mother, jackie
> =
> I'm editing the caption of Ginger's mother, Jackie's, query (above) so
> that the subject line may prompt response from anyone who can fill
> Ginger in further regarding Martha Ann.
>
> > From the info Jackie gave, this COULD be the deceased sister of our
> List member, Bud Poythress. She was born in Savannah, Bud said at one
> point. She married Glee Edwin Bridges (I don't know marr date).
>
> Bud's sister's publicly-available entry in the SSDI (Social Security
> Death Index) shows:
>
> BRIDGES, MARTHA P, b.01 Aug 1928, d.20 Mar 2007 at age 78, last zip
> 28086 (Kings Mountain, Cleveland, NC); SS # from NC
>
> Her obit appeared in The Charlotte Observer on Weds, 21 March 2007.
> > From having seen it, my notes then were:
>
> Martha's obituary included a good photo of her. For some reason, her
> older brother LeRoof (Bud) Poythress is not listed among the
> survivors, even though I know he went to her funeral. Her obit article
> read as follows:
>
> Martha Poythress Bridges
> Kings Mountain -- Mrs. Bridges, age 78, a resident of 905 Crescent
> Circle, died Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at Hospice. She was a native of
> Savannah, GA, daughter of the late Joseph Eugene Poythress and Martha
> Gnann Kemsley. She was a member of St. Matthew's Lutheran Church,
> where she was an active member, having served as the President of the
> Church Council, a member of the Altar Guild, and as a Sunday school
> teacher. She was a teacher and administrator and retired from Kings
> Mountain District Schools. She served on the board of the Kings
> Mountain Crisis Ministry, and was a Hospice volunteer.
> Survivors include her husband, Glee Edwin Bridges of Kings Mountain;
> sons Ed Bridges and wife Andrea, of Georgetown, TX, and Tom Bridges
> and wife, Sandy, of Jackson, TN; daughter Lynne Presley and husband,
> Steve, of Hendersonville, NC; and grandchildren, Chris Bridges and
> wife, Christy, of Hendersonville, NC, Jennifer Fulton of Asheville,
> NC, Kelli Bridges of Clarksville, TN, Elizabeth Fulton of Burlington,
> NC, Samantha Bridges of Jackson, TN and Catherine Fulton of
> Hendersonville, NC.
> Memorial service is 11:00 AM Friday, March 23, at St. Matthew's
> Lutheran Church, with Rev. Bill Jeffcoat officiating. Visitation will
> immediately follow in the church fellowship hall. Interment in
> Mountain Rest Cemetery, Kings Mountain.
> Memorials may be made to St. Matthew's Lutheran Church, 201 N.
> Piedmont Ave, Kings Mountain, NC or to Hospice of Cleveland County,
> 951 Wendover Heights, Shelby, NC 28150.
> Guest register is available at www.harrisfunerals.com. Arrangements
> by Harris Funeral Home of Kings Mountain.
>
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Re: [POYTHRESS] Martha Ann Poythress of Savannah H.S. 1940sGinger MalphrusThis jackie is Jacqueline Lee Malphrus. I went to Commercial High
School and Martha Ann went to Savannah High School. She was pretty and
friendly. Caroline Lord Wilson went to school with her and remembers
her as well. I did not know that we were both from the same family tree
- however distant.
jacqueline

On 11/30/2010 4:43 PM, BudPoythress@aol.com wrote:
> Martha Ann (Poythress) BRIDGES was my sister. My and her 'older' and
> 'oldest' brother, Joseph Eugene Poythress, Jr. was KIA aboard the USS Aaron
> Ward DD483 in the South Pacific in the night battle (the very first major
> naval battle of the south pacific) at Guadalcanal the night of November 12-13,
> 1942. Martha died of liver cancer in March 2007. And, I guess they just
> missed me as one of her survivors in her obit! I may just file a complaint
> with Martha, that is, when I get there myself.
>
> Martha attended and graduated from Marion High School& Jr. College,
> Marion, Virginia in, I believe, it was 1946 or '47.
>
> and P.S. If the below message is from 'Jackie' (Poythress) Flanders, the
> last I knew (which was just a couple weeks ago!) she still lives in Millen,
> GA and Millen is in Jenkens County!
>
> My late wife, Ester Merle (Clark) Poythress, originally of Emanuel
> County, GA died October 9th, 2006
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bud (LeRoof Poythress)
>
> Originally of Savannah, Chatham County, GA but presently living at
> 2324 S. 41st Street,
> Wilmington, NC 28403
> Phone: 910-791-7735
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> In a message dated 11/30/2010 2:47:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> jackieandgin@bulloch.net writes:
>
> One and the same.
> jackie
>
> On 11/30/2010 11:40 AM, Barbara Neal wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Ginger Malphrus
>> wrote:
>>> Did you happen to know Martha Ann Poythress. She went to Savannah High
> School in the 40's. She probably graduated in 1946.
>>> Ginger's mother, jackie
>> =
>> I'm editing the caption of Ginger's mother, Jackie's, query (above) so
>> that the subject line may prompt response from anyone who can fill
>> Ginger in further regarding Martha Ann.
>>
>> > From the info Jackie gave, this COULD be the deceased sister of our
>> List member, Bud Poythress. She was born in Savannah, Bud said at one
>> point. She married Glee Edwin Bridges (I don't know marr date).
>>
>> Bud's sister's publicly-available entry in the SSDI (Social Security
>> Death Index) shows:
>>
>> BRIDGES, MARTHA P, b.01 Aug 1928, d.20 Mar 2007 at age 78, last zip
>> 28086 (Kings Mountain, Cleveland, NC); SS # from NC
>>
>> Her obit appeared in The Charlotte Observer on Weds, 21 March 2007.
>>> From having seen it, my notes then were:
>> Martha's obituary included a good photo of her. For some reason, her
>> older brother LeRoof (Bud) Poythress is not listed among the
>> survivors, even though I know he went to her funeral. Her obit article
>> read as follows:
>>
>> Martha Poythress Bridges
>> Kings Mountain -- Mrs. Bridges, age 78, a resident of 905 Crescent
>> Circle, died Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at Hospice. She was a native of
>> Savannah, GA, daughter of the late Joseph Eugene Poythress and Martha
>> Gnann Kemsley. She was a member of St. Matthew's Lutheran Church,
>> where she was an active member, having served as the President of the
>> Church Council, a member of the Altar Guild, and as a Sunday school
>> teacher. She was a teacher and administrator and retired from Kings
>> Mountain District Schools. She served on the board of the Kings
>> Mountain Crisis Ministry, and was a Hospice volunteer.
>> Survivors include her husband, Glee Edwin Bridges of Kings Mountain;
>> sons Ed Bridges and wife Andrea, of Georgetown, TX, and Tom Bridges
>> and wife, Sandy, of Jackson, TN; daughter Lynne Presley and husband,
>> Steve, of Hendersonville, NC; and grandchildren, Chris Bridges and
>> wife, Christy, of Hendersonville, NC, Jennifer Fulton of Asheville,
>> NC, Kelli Bridges of Clarksville, TN, Elizabeth Fulton of Burlington,
>> NC, Samantha Bridges of Jackson, TN and Catherine Fulton of
>> Hendersonville, NC.
>> Memorial service is 11:00 AM Friday, March 23, at St. Matthew's
>> Lutheran Church, with Rev. Bill Jeffcoat officiating. Visitation will
>> immediately follow in the church fellowship hall. Interment in
>> Mountain Rest Cemetery, Kings Mountain.
>> Memorials may be made to St. Matthew's Lutheran Church, 201 N.
>> Piedmont Ave, Kings Mountain, NC or to Hospice of Cleveland County,
>> 951 Wendover Heights, Shelby, NC 28150.
>> Guest register is available at www.harrisfunerals.com. Arrangements
>> by Harris Funeral Home of Kings Mountain.
>>
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[POYTHRESS] Obit of Carola Nasmyth PoythressBarbara NealOur sympathy goes out to her entire family. Her obit was seen online
at Legacy.com. If you go to their website and search for the
Poythress name you will also see her photo. Her husband mentioned in
the obit is a great-grandson of William E Poythress and Martha Usher
of Georgia.

Published in the Fresno Bee on December 1, 2010
Carola Poythress
Carola went to be with the Lord Saturday, November 27, 2010. She
passed away peacefully in Fresno, Ca, after a long illness. Carola was
born May 15, 1915, in Boston, Ma, to George W. and Florence G.
Nasmyth. She attended schools in the Boston area, and earned
Bachelor's and Master's degrees from Radcliffe College, in Cambridge,
Ma. She met her future husband, Ransom H. Poythress, in 1938, and the
two were wed on August 1, 1939, in the First Baptist Church of Madera,
Ca. Carola lived in the Fresno/Clovis area and was a member of the
First Baptist Church of Fresno for the last 54 years. She was a Sunday
School teacher and volunteer worker at the church and San Joaquin
Gardens for many years. Carola will be remembered for her bright
smile, sociable and optimistic personality, strong Christian faith,
and her eagerness to help those in need. The family wants to express
their special thanks to Rebecca Rea, Carola's caregiver for the past
six years, and their gratitude to the staffs of St. Agnes Medical
Center; and San Joaquin Gardens for their attentive care of Carola
during the final weeks. Carola is survived by her beloved husband
Ransom H. Poythress of 71 years, of Clovis, Ca, son, Kenneth R.
Poythress, of Madera, Ca, son, Vern S. Poythress and his wife Diane M.
of Philadelphia, Pa; and two grandsons, Ransom H. Poythress of Boston,
Ma, and Justin N. Poythress, of Nashville, Tn. She is also survived by
many nephews and nieces and a host of friends. A Celebration of
Carola's life will be held at the First Baptist Church of Fresno, 1400
Saginaw Way, Fresno, Ca. on Wednesday, December 1, 2010, at 11:00 a.m.
The Committal will be held at Fresno Memorial Gardens on Thursday,
December 2, 2010, at 11:00 a.m. Remembrances may be made to the First
Baptist Church of Fresno, 1400 Saginaw Way, Fresno, Ca 93704, or to
the donor's favorite charity. BOICE FUNERAL HOME 308 Pollasky Avenue
Clovis, Ca (559)299-4372 boicefuneralhome.com		12/01/2010 1:50:26
Re: [POYTHRESS] Obit of Carola Nasmyth PoythressJudy scruggsThank you Barbara.
 Judy

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Barbara Neal wrote:


From: Barbara Neal
Subject: [POYTHRESS] Obit of Carola Nasmyth Poythress
To: "Poythress List"
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 10:50 AM


Our sympathy goes out to her entire family.  Her obit was seen online
at Legacy.com.  If you go to their website and search for the
Poythress name you will also see her photo.  Her husband mentioned in
the obit is a great-grandson of William E Poythress and Martha Usher
of Georgia.

Published in the Fresno Bee on December 1, 2010
Carola Poythress
Carola went to be with the Lord Saturday, November 27, 2010. She
passed away peacefully in Fresno, Ca, after a long illness. Carola was
born May 15, 1915, in Boston, Ma, to George W. and Florence G.
Nasmyth. She attended schools in the Boston area, and earned
Bachelor's and Master's degrees from Radcliffe College, in Cambridge,
Ma. She met her future husband, Ransom H. Poythress, in 1938, and the
two were wed on August 1, 1939, in the First Baptist Church of Madera,
Ca. Carola lived in the Fresno/Clovis area and was a member of the
First Baptist Church of Fresno for the last 54 years. She was a Sunday
School teacher and volunteer worker at the church and San Joaquin
Gardens for many years. Carola will be remembered for her bright
smile, sociable and optimistic personality, strong Christian faith,
and her eagerness to help those in need. The family wants to express
their special thanks to Rebecca Rea, Carola's caregiver for the past
six years, and their gratitude to the staffs of St. Agnes Medical
Center; and San Joaquin Gardens for their attentive care of Carola
during the final weeks. Carola is survived by her beloved husband
Ransom H. Poythress of 71 years, of Clovis, Ca, son, Kenneth R.
Poythress, of Madera, Ca, son, Vern S. Poythress and his wife Diane M.
of Philadelphia, Pa; and two grandsons, Ransom H. Poythress of Boston,
Ma, and Justin N. Poythress, of Nashville, Tn. She is also survived by
many nephews and nieces and a host of friends. A Celebration of
Carola's life will be held at the First Baptist Church of Fresno, 1400
Saginaw Way, Fresno, Ca. on Wednesday, December 1, 2010, at 11:00 a.m.
The Committal will be held at Fresno Memorial Gardens on Thursday,
December 2, 2010, at 11:00 a.m. Remembrances may be made to the First
Baptist Church of Fresno, 1400 Saginaw Way, Fresno, Ca 93704, or to
the donor's favorite charity. BOICE FUNERAL HOME 308 Pollasky Avenue
Clovis, Ca (559)299-4372 boicefuneralhome.com

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[POYTHRESS] FW: [GABURKE] Fw: Atlas of East Georgia Counties - About the Burke County & Screven countyJohn M. Poythress-----Original Message-----
From: gaburke-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gaburke-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of
Deborah Byrd
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:23
To: burke county; screven county
Subject: [GABURKE] Fw: Atlas of East Georgia Counties - About the Burke County & Screven
county



Hi you all, I usually don't pass on this information, but this sounded helpful
and there is so little info on Burke County I decided to pass it one.


Paul Graham has published an atlas of East Georgia Counties. I am forwarding
his message for your information. You all may see if it will be helpful or not.
It sounds promising. If anyone does purchase it, please provide some feedback
to the lists.

Thanks
Deborah Byrd
List Mom

I have just published an atlas of watercourses and militia districts
in the headright area of Georgia. Because it is a product for sale, I
don't know if it is something you can link to from your county Genweb
site. But, I wanted to let you know about it.

Atlas of East and Coastal Georgia Watercourses and Militia Districts

http://www.pkgraham.com/atlas/

The atlas consists of 50 individual county maps, printed in black and
white. They are suitable for photocopying and using for notetaking.
Watercourses and militia districts are identified in deeds and tax
records and census enumerations, so this atlas will help people narrow
down the parts of counties where their ancestors lived.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Sincerely,

Paul K. Graham

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[POYTHRESS] Mary B Poythress of Lucama, NC died 3 Dec 2010Barbara NealOur sympathy goes to the family.
As posted at Legacy.com on Saturday 4 Dec:
Mary B Poythress, 87, of Lucama, NC, died 3 Dec 2010. Arrangements:
Shingleton Funeral Home, Wilson, NC.
Published in The News & Observer on 4 Dec 2010

If anyone can identify her family, that would be appreciated. I
checked the site again today, in case a more full obit was published;
none was.		12/05/2010 6:07:17
Re: [POYTHRESS] Mary B Poythress of Lucama, NC died 3 Dec 2010Barbara NealMary B Poythress, who died in Lucama (Wilson Co) NC at age 87 on 3 Dec
2010, never married; she was the daughter of Will & Mahala Poythress.

Her parents, William Harrison Poythress & Mahala Hayes, married in
about 1912-1913 per the 1930 Duplin Co, NC Census (Warsaw Twp). Mary
was the 6-yr old child in the household with 7 siblings -- 3 older & 3
younger.

As I understand it, Mary's father, William Harrison Poythress, was son
of Joseph Poythress & Mary Jane Garner. Per the 1900 Census [taken as
of June 1] of East Gaston Precinct, Northampton Co, NC, Joseph [shown
in the Census as born in Mar 1845] & Mary Jane [shown as born in May
1846] had been married 30 years; at that time they had 3 children
living with them, with Willie H being the middle one, age 10 [he was
shown as born in Apr 1890}.

Years ago, Jean Poythress then-Spille relayed to us that Joseph
Poythress (husband of Mary Jane Garner) was son of James R
Portis/Poythress and Sarah Crowder who married in Northampton Co, NC
in Jan 1827.		12/06/2010 10:32:21
[POYTHRESS] One line of descent from huxter Benjamin PoythressBarbara NealWhat started me down the road that eventually identified the following
people as being in Benjamin's line, was seeing this fellow at the
World War II Memorial Registry (www.wwiimemorial.com):
"Honoree Clyde L. Poythress, Hometown Temple, TX, Service in U.S.
Army, Source Mr. Clyde L. Poythress."

Checking him further, I found:

At the US Veterans Affairs Gravesite Locator
(http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov):
CLYDE LEON POYTHRESS, whose rank was CWO2 in US ARMY; served in WORLD
WAR II, and KOREA; was born 23 Feb 1923; died 2 Jan 1992; buried at
Section 20, Site 1356, Ft. Sam Houston National Cemetery, 1520 HARRY
WURZBACH ROAD, SAN ANTONIO, TX 78209; phone (210) 820-3891

At the Social Security Death Index, or SSDI,
(http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi):
Clyde L Poythress, b.23 Feb 1923, d.02 Jan 1992 at age 68, last
address of record was not specified; last benefit not specified; SS #
issued by Texas.

At the National Archives' "AAD" (Access to Archival Databases) are
various items that can be checked regarding World War II records:

Checking there, the WWII Army Enlistment index shows:
Clyde L Poythress, Serial # 06275773, a white married citizen who was
born in Texas in 1919 [sic; as shown above, he is listed both at SSDI
and at the WWII Memorial Registry with birthdate of 23 Feb 1923];
resident of La Crosse County, Wisconsin; enlisted at Camp McCoy in
Sparta, WI on 17 Nov 1945 in the Army as a Staff Sergeant; his term of
enlistment is shown as "Enlistment for Hawaiian Department." His
education level is shown as "3 years of high school," and his Civilian
Occupation was entered as an "undefined code."

[By the way, from the same website, a check of the records of WWII
POWs for his Serial number revealed no record; thus he had not been a
POW either in Europe or Japan.]

At FamilySearch.org's new beta search site,
https://beta.familysearch.org/
by going to the "Advanced Search" and looking for "Poythress" in
"Texas" and selecting "Death" as the event, I found this little
abstract of his TX Death Certificate, but no image of his Death
Certificate has been posted yet:
Name: Clyde Leon Poythress Sr
Title: Sr
Gender: Male
Marital Status:
Death Date: 02 Jan 1992
Death County: Bell
Death Place: Bell [County], Texas, United States

By the way, Temple, TX (listed in the above WWII Memorial Registry as
his hometown) is in Bell County, TX. By seeing him listed as "Sr"
that would tend to indicate there's likely a living "Jr" (probably the
one who listed him at the WWII Memorial Registry, unless he listed
himself before he died so early in 1992). And he could well have
other descendants.

This man only became "Sr" after his own father died, as you'll see below.

Also at FamilySearch, from that same search, the 1931 Death
Certificate is available for his father, who was also named Clyde Leon
Poythress. I transcribed its info from the image, as:
TX State Death Certificate [stamped #] 21778 Filed 22 May 1931,
regarding death in Bexar County, TX of Clyde Leon Poythress who died
at Station Hospital, Fort Sam Houston, TX [which is located in San
Antonio, Bexar Co, TX] where he had been a resident before death
occurred for 0 yrs, 2 months, 3 days. Male, white, married to Mrs.
Ethel Poythress. He was born in Virginia on 23 Jan 1895. For his
parents, they had no record of the name or birthplace of either
parent. At death he was 36 years, 3 mo, 28 days of age. Occupation
listed as "Claimant, U.S. Veterans' Bureau." Informant was E.F. Thode,
Major, M.C., Registrar, Station Hospital, Fort Sam Houston, TX.
The certificate's Medical particulars: I hereby certify that I
attended deceased from March 18th 1931 to May 21st 1931 and that death
occurred May 21st 1931 at 12:10 pm. The cause of death was
Tuberculosis of the respiratory system, duration of which was
undetermined; there was no record of where the disease was contracted;
no operation preceded death; yes, there was an autopsy which confirmed
the diagnosis. This Certification was signed by E.F. Thode, Major,
M.C., Registrar, Station Hospital, Fort Sam Houston, TX.
The certificate showed his Place of burial or removal was to Mission
Burial Park; burial was on 22 May 1931; Undertaker was Wilbert-Hanavan
Inc, at 714 Broadway.

That Clyde Leon Poythress who died in 1931, was in the 1920 Census
(which was taken as of 1 January that year), as follows:
Line 96 of p.200-B, of San Antonio, Bexar Co, TX, Ft Sam Houston
51st Telegraph Battalion Signal Corps, listed as:
Poythress, Clyde L, Male, White, age 25 yrs, Single; no [had not
attended school anytime since 1 Sep 1919]; yes [reads]; yes [writes];
he was born in Virginia; the places of birth for both his father and
mother shown as "unknown US" place; yes speaks English; working as a
Soldier. [That "unknown place" for parents' births may be due to the
Census-taker not delving too deeply into the Army file while
completing the form for the whole battalion; I doubt they halted work
that day to interview each soldier]

I recognized him then as the 5-yr old son, Clyde L, of George
Alexander Poythress and wife Ellan, in the 1900 Census (taken as of 1
June) for Lynchburg, Campbell County, VA, where the family was
enumerated 11 July at 802 Withers St, dw 247;
fam 296, on lines 23-32:
- Poythress, Geo A, Head, W, M, b.May 1849, age 51, M(arried for) 24
(yrs), b.VA, VA, VA, Muci(Musician), can read, write & speak English,
Rents, Home
- Ellan M, Wife, W, F, b.June 1859, age 40, M(arried for) 24 (yrs),
12 (# of children she was mother of), 8 (of whom are living), b.Ohio,
Ohio, Ohio, can read, write & speak English
- George L, Son, W, M, b.July 1878, age 21, Single, b.VA, VA, Ohio,
Core Maker Iron Works, 0 (months unemployed in last yr), can read,
write & speak English
- Clara J, Daughter, W, F, Feby 1880, age 20, Single, b.VA, VA, Ohio,
can read, write & speak English
- Harry A, Son, W, M, b.July 1881, age 18, Single, b.VA, VA, Ohio,
Core Maker Iron Works, 0 (months unemployed in last yr), can read,
write & speak English
- Florence C, Daughter, W, F, b.May 1886, age 14, Single, b.VA, VA,
Ohio, At school, can read, write & speak English
- Alice M, Daughter, W, F, b.May 1890, b.VA, VA, Ohio, At school, can
read, write & speak English
- Mary, Daughter, W, F, b.Dec 1892, age 7, Single, b.VA, VA, Ohio, At school.
- Clyde L, Son, W, M, b.Jany 1895, age 5, Single, b.VA, VA, Ohio
- Corine Adele, Daughter, W, F, b.Mar 1897, age 3, Single, b.VA, VA, Ohio

We learn from the below 1930 Census, that George's son Clyde Leon
Poythress, born in 1895, apparently married Ethel unknown-maiden-name
sometime in 1920 after the above 1920 census, when he was single and a
soldier. I matched him up thanks to his occupation in the 1930 Census
(taken as of 1 April) in TX. Pharr City, Hidalgo County, TX, (where
he is found in 1930) is south of San Antonio -- way down in the
southern-most tip of TX, just a few miles east of McAllen, TX. As I
transcribed from the image:
1930 US Population Census for Part of Pharr City, Hidalgo Co, TX, ED
108-57, Supv Dist 29, sheet 244, lines 19-22, dw 4, fam 4, on First
Street with no house numbers then for houses on that street, household
of:
- Poythress, Clyde L, head of hh, Owns home, valued at $2750, yes has
a radio, no does not live on a farm, male, white, age 35 at last
birthday, married, was age 25 when first married, no did not attend
school or college anytime since Set 1, 1929; yes can read & write;
born in VA; father born in VA; mother born in TX; yes speaks English;
occupation "telegraph operator" in industry "Railroad," "W" class of
worker; yes employed working; yes a US veteran, of the World War
- , Ethel, wife of head of hh, not living on a farm, female,
white, 29 at last birthday, married, age 20 when first married, no did
not attend school or college anytime since Set 1, 1929; yes can read &
write; born in TX, father born in TX, mother born in KY, yes speaks
English; occupation "none"
- , Clyde Jr, son of head of hh, not living on a farm, male,
white, 7 at last birthday, single, yes attended school or college
anytime since Sep 1, 1929; yes can read & write; born in TX, father
born in VA, mother born in TX, yes speaks English; occupation "none"
- , Mary F, daughter of head of hh, not living on a farm, female,
white, age 10/12 [ten months], single, no did not attend school or
college anytime since Sep 1, 1929; born in TX, father born in VA,
mother born in TX, occupation "none"

I looked to see if the wife of Clyde (that is, the Clyde Leon
Poythress who was born in 1895), Ethel, who was age 29 in the above
1930 Census (taken as of April 1) might be listed in the SSDI. Of
course being only age 30 when her husband died of tuberculosis, and
having 2 young children (Clyde about 8 and Mary not yet 2 yrs old),
she could certainly have remarried. The only potential one in SSDI
having the name of Ethel Poythress, was born in 1899, not 1900-1901,
so is probably NOT her:
POYTHRESS, ETHEL, b.09 Mar 1899, d.Mar 1977 at age 77-78, last zip
23324 (Chesapeake, Chesapeake City, VA); no last benefit specified; SS
# from VA.

As I mentioned above, the 1930 Census' Clyde "Jr" who was born in
1923, was Clyde "Sr" when he died. I looked at Whitepages.com to see
if there was currently a Clyde L Poythress listed in Texas, or
anywhere. There is not.		12/10/2010 11:13:08
[POYTHRESS] Wm Claiborne 1600-1677John M. PoythressAt the last Louisville Genealogical Society seminar I picked a book up off the silent

auction table and now have no use for it.



It is "Virginia Venturer, William Claiborne 1600-1677", author is Nathaniel C. Hale,

340 pages, indexed.....book is in pretty good shape to have been printed in 1951 although

it's obviously had no hard use. Dust jacket has done its job and is pretty ratty but it's

still there.



While at the table I flipped through it briefly. While the index showed no Poythresses

it still had several topics that looked like they might connect with those slim Claiborne

contacts that the early Poythresses had.



Alas, it was not to be......although if one can stand the turgid prose there is some
decent

colonial Virginia history. Also, alas, this doesn't seem to be a Claiborne with any hook

to our bunch......or if he has one I couldn't find it.



Whatever.......anyway.......I'll be happy to mail it to anyone who has an interest in
either the

early Claiborne crowd (Virginia AND Maryland) or just wants to absorb a bit of colonial

history. Also a candidate might be someone you know who is seriously chasing Claibornes.



Just send me a snail mail address and it will be on its way.



Maynard		12/15/2010 6:15:35
[POYTHRESS] Robert Walter Poythress died in GA 6 Dec 2010 - 2 obitsBarbara NealOur sympathy to the family and friends of this fellow from near
Screven County, GA. If anyone can enlighten me regarding his parents'
names, and the name of his brother who was married to Joan, and who
apparently pre-deceased Robert, I'd greatly appreciate that info, as
well as names of any other siblings Robert may have had. These obits
were located thanks to Legacy.com:

Published in The Augusta Chronicle on December 21, 2010
Robert W. Poythress
SWAINSBORO, Ga. - Mr. Robert Walter Poythress, 64, died Sunday
afternoon at Emanuel Medical Center. Mr. Poythress was born in Metter,
Ga. and had lived here since 1985. Memorial services will be held
Wednesday morning at 11:00 a.m. from the chapel of Tomlinson Funeral
Home with Reverend Louis Pearce Officiating. Arrangements are by
Tomlinson Funeral Home of Swainsboro.

Published in Savannah Morning News on December 22, 2010:
Robert Walter Poythress
Mr. Robert Walter Poythress - SWAINSBORO - Mr. Robert Walter
Poythress, 65, died Sunday. Survivors: sister in law, Joan Poythress.
Visitation: 10-11 am Wednesday morning at the funeral home. Memorial
services: 11 am Wednesday at the funeral home. In lieu of flowers,
Hawhammock Baptist Church Food Bank, 27 Hawhammock Church Road,
Swainsboro, GA 30401. www.tomlinsonfuneralhome.net Tomlinson Funeral
Home Savannah Morning News December 22, 2010 Please sign our Obituary
Guest Book at savannahnow.com/obituaries.		12/30/2010 5:03:04
Re: [POYTHRESS] Robert Walter Poythress died in GA 6 Dec 2010 - 2 obitsGinger MalphrusFound
this:http://www.forest-blade.com/articles/2009/03/18/legals/doc49c0180fa449d499008664.txt


NOTICE TO DEBTORS AND CREDITORS

GEORGIA, EMANUEL COUNTY

All creditors of the estate of RUBY BRINSON POYTHRESS, decedent, late of
Emanuel County, are hereby notified to render in their demands to the
undersigned according to law, and all persons indebted to said estate
are required to make immediate payment.

This 6th day of March, 2009.

Robert Walter Poythress, Jr.,

Executor of the Estate of

Ruby Brinson Poythress

624 Freedom Drive

Swainsboro, GA 30401

Jerry N. Cadle, P.C.

P.O. Box 68

Swainsboro, GA 30401(M11-A1)


On 12/30/2010 2:03 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:
> Our sympathy to the family and friends of this fellow from near
> Screven County, GA. If anyone can enlighten me regarding his parents'
> names, and the name of his brother who was married to Joan, and who
> apparently pre-deceased Robert, I'd greatly appreciate that info, as
> well as names of any other siblings Robert may have had. These obits
> were located thanks to Legacy.com:
>
> Published in The Augusta Chronicle on December 21, 2010
> Robert W. Poythress
> SWAINSBORO, Ga. - Mr. Robert Walter Poythress, 64, died Sunday
> afternoon at Emanuel Medical Center. Mr. Poythress was born in Metter,
> Ga. and had lived here since 1985. Memorial services will be held
> Wednesday morning at 11:00 a.m. from the chapel of Tomlinson Funeral
> Home with Reverend Louis Pearce Officiating. Arrangements are by
> Tomlinson Funeral Home of Swainsboro.
>
> Published in Savannah Morning News on December 22, 2010:
> Robert Walter Poythress
> Mr. Robert Walter Poythress - SWAINSBORO - Mr. Robert Walter
> Poythress, 65, died Sunday. Survivors: sister in law, Joan Poythress.
> Visitation: 10-11 am Wednesday morning at the funeral home. Memorial
> services: 11 am Wednesday at the funeral home. In lieu of flowers,
> Hawhammock Baptist Church Food Bank, 27 Hawhammock Church Road,
> Swainsboro, GA 30401. www.tomlinsonfuneralhome.net Tomlinson Funeral
> Home Savannah Morning News December 22, 2010 Please sign our Obituary
> Guest Book at savannahnow.com/obituaries.
>
> -------------------------------
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>		12/30/2010 9:41:41
Re: [POYTHRESS] Robert Walter Poythress died in GA 6 Dec 2010 - 2 obitsGinger MalphrusAlso found out who Joan's husband was:


Mr. John W. Poythress (SWAINSBORO, Ga.)





SWAINSBORO, Ga. - Mr. Poythress, 51, passed away Tuesday, July 26, 2005
at The Medical College of Georgia from injuries received in a motorcycle
accident. Mr. Poythress was born on January 21, 1954. He was the owner
of Swainsboro Auto Machine Shop, was a Master Knife Craftsman and was a
member of the First Baptist Church of Swainsboro. He was also a member
of the North Carolina Custom Knife makers Guild, founding President of
the Georgia Custom Knife Makers Guild and Probationary Member of the
National Knife Makers Guild. He was preceded in death by his father,
Robert W. Poythress, Sr. Survivors include his mother, Ruby Brinson
Poythress of Swainsboro; his wife, Joan Horne Poythress of Swainsboro;
one daughter, Melanie Bowen of Midville, GA and one brother, Robert
"Bobby" Poythress, Jr. of Swainsboro. Two grandchildren, Peter Avery
Parker and Emmie E. Bowen, also survive. Funeral services will be on
Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 11:00 a.m. in the Chapel of Southern Heritage
Funeral Home with the Rev. Tom Beck and Rev. Emory Fenell officiating.
Burial will follow in The Eastbrooke Cemetery. Memorial contributions
may be made to The Micha Flemming Fund at the Citizens Bank of
Swainsboro, 121 North Main Street. The following gentlemen have been
asked to serve as pallbearers: Alfred Johnson, Ken Simmons, Jessie
Bright, Jeff Horne, Vance Adams, David Caudill and Brint Fisher.
Arrangements are being respectfully conducted by Southern Heritage
Funeral Home, 427 North Main Street, Swainsboro, GA 30401, (478)
237-3800. Sign the guestbook at AugustaChronicle.com

The Augusta Chronicle July 30, 2005

On 12/30/2010 2:03 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:
> Our sympathy to the family and friends of this fellow from near
> Screven County, GA. If anyone can enlighten me regarding his parents'
> names, and the name of his brother who was married to Joan, and who
> apparently pre-deceased Robert, I'd greatly appreciate that info, as
> well as names of any other siblings Robert may have had. These obits
> were located thanks to Legacy.com:
>
> Published in The Augusta Chronicle on December 21, 2010
> Robert W. Poythress
> SWAINSBORO, Ga. - Mr. Robert Walter Poythress, 64, died Sunday
> afternoon at Emanuel Medical Center. Mr. Poythress was born in Metter,
> Ga. and had lived here since 1985. Memorial services will be held
> Wednesday morning at 11:00 a.m. from the chapel of Tomlinson Funeral
> Home with Reverend Louis Pearce Officiating. Arrangements are by
> Tomlinson Funeral Home of Swainsboro.
>
> Published in Savannah Morning News on December 22, 2010:
> Robert Walter Poythress
> Mr. Robert Walter Poythress - SWAINSBORO - Mr. Robert Walter
> Poythress, 65, died Sunday. Survivors: sister in law, Joan Poythress.
> Visitation: 10-11 am Wednesday morning at the funeral home. Memorial
> services: 11 am Wednesday at the funeral home. In lieu of flowers,
> Hawhammock Baptist Church Food Bank, 27 Hawhammock Church Road,
> Swainsboro, GA 30401. www.tomlinsonfuneralhome.net Tomlinson Funeral
> Home Savannah Morning News December 22, 2010 Please sign our Obituary
> Guest Book at savannahnow.com/obituaries.
>
> -------------------------------
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>		12/30/2010 9:44:52
Re: [POYTHRESS] Robert Walter Poythress died in GA 6 Dec 2010 - 2 obitsJohn M. PoythressJust as information, I had run across John W. Poythress' website.....
poythresscustomknives.com
several times and the site is still "up." One doesn't especially have to be into knives
to be impressed
by this man's craftsmanship.

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
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Ginger Malphrus
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:45 PM
To: poythress@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Robert Walter Poythress died in GA 6 Dec 2010 - 2 obits

Also found out who Joan's husband was:


Mr. John W. Poythress (SWAINSBORO, Ga.)





SWAINSBORO, Ga. - Mr. Poythress, 51, passed away Tuesday, July 26, 2005
at The Medical College of Georgia from injuries received in a motorcycle
accident. Mr. Poythress was born on January 21, 1954. He was the owner
of Swainsboro Auto Machine Shop, was a Master Knife Craftsman and was a
member of the First Baptist Church of Swainsboro. He was also a member
of the North Carolina Custom Knife makers Guild, founding President of
the Georgia Custom Knife Makers Guild and Probationary Member of the
National Knife Makers Guild. He was preceded in death by his father,
Robert W. Poythress, Sr. Survivors include his mother, Ruby Brinson
Poythress of Swainsboro; his wife, Joan Horne Poythress of Swainsboro;
one daughter, Melanie Bowen of Midville, GA and one brother, Robert
"Bobby" Poythress, Jr. of Swainsboro. Two grandchildren, Peter Avery
Parker and Emmie E. Bowen, also survive. Funeral services will be on
Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 11:00 a.m. in the Chapel of Southern Heritage
Funeral Home with the Rev. Tom Beck and Rev. Emory Fenell officiating.
Burial will follow in The Eastbrooke Cemetery. Memorial contributions
may be made to The Micha Flemming Fund at the Citizens Bank of
Swainsboro, 121 North Main Street. The following gentlemen have been
asked to serve as pallbearers: Alfred Johnson, Ken Simmons, Jessie
Bright, Jeff Horne, Vance Adams, David Caudill and Brint Fisher.
Arrangements are being respectfully conducted by Southern Heritage
Funeral Home, 427 North Main Street, Swainsboro, GA 30401, (478)
237-3800. Sign the guestbook at AugustaChronicle.com

The Augusta Chronicle July 30, 2005

On 12/30/2010 2:03 PM, Barbara Neal wrote:
> Our sympathy to the family and friends of this fellow from near
> Screven County, GA. If anyone can enlighten me regarding his parents'
> names, and the name of his brother who was married to Joan, and who
> apparently pre-deceased Robert, I'd greatly appreciate that info, as
> well as names of any other siblings Robert may have had. These obits
> were located thanks to Legacy.com:
>
> Published in The Augusta Chronicle on December 21, 2010
> Robert W. Poythress
> SWAINSBORO, Ga. - Mr. Robert Walter Poythress, 64, died Sunday
> afternoon at Emanuel Medical Center. Mr. Poythress was born in Metter,
> Ga. and had lived here since 1985. Memorial services will be held
> Wednesday morning at 11:00 a.m. from the chapel of Tomlinson Funeral
> Home with Reverend Louis Pearce Officiating. Arrangements are by
> Tomlinson Funeral Home of Swainsboro.
>
> Published in Savannah Morning News on December 22, 2010:
> Robert Walter Poythress
> Mr. Robert Walter Poythress - SWAINSBORO - Mr. Robert Walter
> Poythress, 65, died Sunday. Survivors: sister in law, Joan Poythress.
> Visitation: 10-11 am Wednesday morning at the funeral home. Memorial
> services: 11 am Wednesday at the funeral home. In lieu of flowers,
> Hawhammock Baptist Church Food Bank, 27 Hawhammock Church Road,
> Swainsboro, GA 30401. www.tomlinsonfuneralhome.net Tomlinson Funeral
> Home Savannah Morning News December 22, 2010 Please sign our Obituary
> Guest Book at savannahnow.com/obituaries.
>
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with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>

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