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Mecklinburg Deed IndexBarbara, comparison of my scribbled notes with your text agrees in every
respect.
Life is too short to teach myself Excel again. I just zapped mine and put
yours in my directory. If anyone wants it, either of us will have it thanks.

Maynard

01/02/2000 3:13:44
Scottish HumorOops. Forgot that Rootsweb can't take an attachement. Here it is again
embedded in the e-mail which I hope will work.
Maynard[Unable to display image]

01/02/2000 9:25:14
Re: Scottish HumorForget it. Sorry.

MP

01/02/2000 9:35:43
Bulloch County, Ga.Some of us, especially Bud and maybe Debby, might want to sign on to that
Bulloch County,GA listserver......they got Mocks, Flakes, etc. coming and
going.

The good news is also that its a relatively "low volume" site. I signed on
for the digest version (GABULLOC-D@rootsweb.com) a couple of weeks ago and
have only gotten two emails of about 3 messages each.

Bulloch County (Statesboro) strikes me as having been sort of an in-between
"center" of activity if one was in Sylvania and didn't want to go all the way
north to
Augusta or South to Savannah.

And Deb, Bulloch is contigous all the way up and down the western boundaries
of
both Screven & Effingham. I haven't found any P's actually living there
(haven't looked either) but a lot went on in Bulloch, not the least of which
is that genealogists today are using the Statesboro library which has a ton
of regional stuff.

Maynard		01/03/2000 5:51:53
Copying MicrofilmA while back, Patti brought up the question of the suitability of using
digital photography to photograph microfilm right off the screen as one sits
at the reader. Non-techie me followed some of her train of thought but it
got over my head pretty fast. I wouldn't know a pixar from a pixie but I
NOW think Patti's on a hot trail.

I, having forgotten that technology now seems to re-inself about every 30
days,wasn't too excited over these prospects since my only experience had
been a few months ago looking at the $ 650 Sony.

Pluses to me were being able to use a floppy instead of film, dodging
development costs, good resolution, being able to "preview" a snap and either
"delete" it or save it. All of these were great but basically the thing
still just took flash picutures. While I'm sure Sony had a ton invested in
the technology, $650 just didn't look like a value to me simply in terms of
the specific purpose of copying microfilm....I got other
"too expensive" stuff if I just want to make grandbaby pictures.

Other negatives besides cost were a 30 second or so wait for the battery to
recharge between shots and a lot of "protruding" devices (flash, etc.) that
seemed to just be begging to be broken off at the slightest nudge.

NOW......I went to a New Year's Eve party and a graphics biz techie friend of
mine had a new Casio 2000 ($550, still steep) but it just blew me away. Its
2.1 megapixals.

1) battery "recovery" is virtually instantaneous (2 AA batteries are good for
about 250 shots). However, one seldom would use the flash (later). It struck
me that batteries that small were likely more to only run the memory stuff
rather than support the flash. I neglected to ask and didn't look for a
"compartment" that holds one of those "L" shaped batteries that support the
flash (about $12). I suspect it takes one but wouldn't be surprised if it
didn't.

2) it doesn't use a common 3 1/2 floppy for "film" but a reusable
"mini-floppy" about a quarter the size of a floppy and a tad thinner. One
takes up to 200 snaps, removes the chip which has a mini UBS connection with
a compatable connection to one's full size UBS port on the CPU, hooks the
things together and almost instantly downloads the whole thing to the hard
drive where it can be manipulated from postage stamp size to, say, 11 x 17
size with NO apparent loss of resolution.

He sticks the "mini-floppy" back in the camera, deletes the stuff off the
camera's "memory drive" and he's ready to go again. "Capicity" of 200 snaps
is for "stills". My guess is that an ".avi" mode would gobble memory pretty
fast. The standard chip that comes with the camera has capacity of 200 but
more expensive chips ($250 or so) will hold up to 500-600 snaps. I would see
those only for making extended ".avi" movies.

(purely as an aside, I wouldn't want to be in the business of selling larger
sized video-cams right now).

3) it has the ability to "pan" (a motion shot), to telephoto zoom (3x), to
take computer "movies" in the common AVI mode, and to shoot panarama or
regular shots. All of this was demonstrated to my amazement in a typical
living room lighting as well as some instances when we deliberately reduced
the lighting to make it tough. Nothing seemed to effect either the
resolution or brightness of the screen.

4) and here's where it starts getting good for our purposes......it shoots
about 95% of the time in "available light" due to some magic technology (the
aperture didn't look to me to open all that wide though).....and when the
flash does activate its a fairly restricted "target focus", still
unfortunately enough to probably have someone complain in a microfilm reader
room.

HOWEVER, as my techie friend says, remember, that microfilm on a reader is
"back lighted" which produces terrific "contrast" which is the very principle
that the Casio works on. And he goes on to say he can practically shoot in
much more darkness
due to some magic that's built into the thing. The implication here is that
the flash, he predicts, can be actually switched "off" for capturing back-lit
microfilm off a reader page.

5) resolution: god awful, something like 900 x 1200, unbelievable clarity.
Minimum range is 8" and this guy is on the floor shooting the fuzz on a
carpet that shows the individual fibers. And he's making pictures that look
like they came from a microscope camera. Then he enlarges the shot to what
looks to me to be able to cover a typical 11x17 deed or will....and doesn't
lose a nickels worth of the detail.

6) a steady hand or a fixed mount is required for none of the above. My guy
was slinging the camera all over the place like he was shooting 800 speed
35mm stuff or something and it didn't seem to make any difference.

7) lastly, its about the size of a typical "mini" sized 35mm "point and
shoot".....and as for ergonomics, it seemed like it fit my hand like it was
born there.


I'm sure there's a lot I missed and one can check the Casio home page for
more.
I herewith propose that Bud use up some of all that money he has buried in
his backyard and buy one for each of us!

Maynard		01/03/2000 6:07:10
Copying microfilmMaynard,
The local computer techies who make the stuff here say they think the
digital cameras will dramatically drop price in Feb. Of course that is
like the stock market, a guess at a time. I guess that is because
January is when the big computer show is held. Patti

01/03/2000 8:50:40
A thread?Several of us (Al Tims I seem to recall) have made mention of finding obscure
references (about the only kind we're dealing with sometimes 🙂 to a
Poythress Cleaton and speculation was largely that he would have been perhaps
a generation prior to Meredith Poythress Sr. who m. Edith Cleaton
1781.........since we were all shooting in the dark there wasn't any more
likely "later" site for Poythress Cleaton than "earlier."

I got a shot at Ancestry.com's holiday season freebie access a day before it
expired so I didn't get much but I did get a semi-logical place for a
Poythress Cleaton:

Known:
William C. Cleaton II m. E. Jane Poole.
First son: Thomas Cleaton m. Elizabeth Ann Barner 28 Apr 1788 BRUNSWICK CO.
Second son: John Cleaton m. Mary Taylor 10 Nov 1787 in BRUNSWICK CO.
6th Child: Edith Cleaton m. Meredith Poythress 24 July 1781

Previously unknown: son of Thomas Cleaton & Elizabeth Ann Barner: John
Poythress Cleaton. Purely in terms of being a logical speculation I'd be
inclined to say "bingo" even if the "submitter" to Ancestry didn't cite a
source. (maybe I just didn't have time to find the "back" pages if there WAS
a source).

Anyway, we have a "family" name basis for a John Poythress Cleaton (who is
not "called" by first name John...perhaps to avoid confusion with his uncle
John, perhaps to "honor" Meredith Sr. who seems to appear as an upstanding
citizen as opposed to Meredith Jr. who appears later as something of a hard
luck case.... but Meredith Jr. happens later on and is likely born in GA
anyway.

The Brunswick County references would also suggest that all of these folks
didn't do a lot of moving around, the counties were just splitting up names
on them: Charles City>Prince George>Brunswick>Lunenburg>Mecklenburg.
Excepting Charles City, my guess is that there are quite a few "single spots"
that could have "been" in three or four of those counties over a successive
time span.

I'm getting a little fuzzy on this one but I'm thinking it suggests that if
all the "brothers" but Lewis DID leave for GA (or someplace), the existance
of this John Poythress Cleaton would make it possible for some people to be
staying around with the name in Mecklenburg County and NOT NECESSARILY be
descendents of Lewis.....but perhaps collaterals, nephews or even cousins of
one sort or another. Thus, potentially more confusion.

If anyone has access to Ancestry and would like to poke about the URL is:
http://pedigree.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/pedview.dll?ti=O&ind=1935&file=H7519
(that "O" may be an "0").

Maynard		01/05/2000 5:06:59
Re: Poythress LineagesLyn, I've got "Thomas" all over Brunswick County and I'm reasonably sure (but
ONLY reasonably) sure he is Meredith's father. What I need now is the right
father for the right Thomas.....and for the moment I'm trying to put together
a transcription "run" of all the mentions through all that gang of Brunswick
deed books simply because that seems to offer the most comprehensive string
of records over a sizable time span and its got "a" Thomas all over the
thing.. Carol M. has done a super job on most but I think I found some more
obscure bits and pieces at Clayton and will be trying to hang up a skeletal
"sequence" for us all (after we hammer on it) to halfway agree on as being as
"compete" as we're going to get it for a working document.

Somewhere, somehow.....we're going to stumble on the document that hooks
Meredith, Sr., Lewis, George and likely a couple more together with
Brunswick/Burke County's gambler/bootlegger/sheriff Thomas as a father
....that's my holy grail of the moment. I think Martha Dixon is dead right on
this one but we just don't have any proof.

I want to string those Brunswick deeds in a row transcribed to include 1)
Carol's stuff 2) what I found from Teresa Willis' brief mentions, 3) what we
already had and 4) what I found in the Clayton in Dec. If any more sources
dawn on anyone I'd be pleased to have them.

Say, Carol, I have the microfilm copies on the way to me (honorary grandson
agreed to do all the remaining Clayton Library copying; the lights went on
when I figured out I didn't need a hired genealogist, I needed a 15 year old
techie kid on Christmas break who could run a microfilm copier after I gave
him the index and some bucks).

Carol, I was certainly intrigued by that page of stuff willed by some guy to
Carol Morrison Poythress in the PG material. I'm sure you must have
mentioned it somewhere but I don't remember it. Can't wait to see that one.
Although my 15 year old kid can play those microfilm copiers like a violin
(he MAKES computers for a hobby) nobody can really make junk microfilm come
to life. I'm waiting to see what he can do.

Be back to you all soon.

Maynard		01/05/2000 5:31:14
Re: A thread?Good hunting, Maynard. Carol Morrison, as I recall you are a Barner
researcher, correct? If so, could you confirm, refute or correct this
John Poythress Cleaton, son of Elizabeth Ann Barner? lpb

On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:06:59 EST VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
>Several of us (Al Tims I seem to recall) have made mention of finding
>obscure
>references (about the only kind we're dealing with sometimes 🙂 to a
>Poythress Cleaton and speculation was largely that he would have been
>perhaps
>a generation prior to Meredith Poythress Sr. who m. Edith Cleaton
>1781.........since we were all shooting in the dark there wasn't any
>more
>likely "later" site for Poythress Cleaton than "earlier."
>
>I got a shot at Ancestry.com's holiday season freebie access a day
>before it
>expired so I didn't get much but I did get a semi-logical place for a
>
>Poythress Cleaton:
>
>Known:
>William C. Cleaton II m. E. Jane Poole.
>First son: Thomas Cleaton m. Elizabeth Ann Barner 28 Apr 1788
>BRUNSWICK CO.
>Second son: John Cleaton m. Mary Taylor 10 Nov 1787 in BRUNSWICK CO.
>6th Child: Edith Cleaton m. Meredith Poythress 24 July 1781
>
>Previously unknown: son of Thomas Cleaton & Elizabeth Ann Barner: John
>
>Poythress Cleaton. Purely in terms of being a logical speculation I'd
>be
>inclined to say "bingo" even if the "submitter" to Ancestry didn't
>cite a
>source. (maybe I just didn't have time to find the "back" pages if
>there WAS
>a source).
>
>Anyway, we have a "family" name basis for a John Poythress Cleaton
>(who is
>not "called" by first name John...perhaps to avoid confusion with his
>uncle
>John, perhaps to "honor" Meredith Sr. who seems to appear as an
>upstanding
>citizen as opposed to Meredith Jr. who appears later as something of a
>hard
>luck case.... but Meredith Jr. happens later on and is likely born in
>GA
>anyway.
>
>The Brunswick County references would also suggest that all of these
>folks
>didn't do a lot of moving around, the counties were just splitting up
>names
>on them: Charles City>Prince George>Brunswick>Lunenburg>Mecklenburg.
>
>Excepting Charles City, my guess is that there are quite a few "single
>spots"
>that could have "been" in three or four of those counties over a
>successive
>time span.
>
>I'm getting a little fuzzy on this one but I'm thinking it suggests
>that if
>all the "brothers" but Lewis DID leave for GA (or someplace), the
>existance
>of this John Poythress Cleaton would make it possible for some people
>to be
>staying around with the name in Mecklenburg County and NOT NECESSARILY
>be
>descendents of Lewis.....but perhaps collaterals, nephews or even
>cousins of
>one sort or another. Thus, potentially more confusion.
>
>If anyone has access to Ancestry and would like to poke about the URL
>is:
>http://pedigree.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/pedview.dll?ti=O&ind=1935&file=H751
9
>(that "O" may be an "0").
>
>Maynard

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Re: We are going to be close to you this monthHow about "closER".....only you folks from California and Texas would call
500 miles "close" 🙂 Anyway, I'm jealous, hope the weather turns warm for
you (unless you plan to ski at Gatlinburg)......anyway, Judy's e-mail is:
was638@mindspring.com ......my guess is phone would be in husband Wayne's
name. I seem to remember she lives out at Stone Mt. but that's no big deal,
just a little ways out I-20.

Are you going to be lucky enough to hit the Archives 24th and 25th? Unless
you already have a "check list", I will be so presumptuous as to say Screven
may be something of a dry hole in terms of starting from scratch which is
likely to lead you to the obvious. In terms of microfilm I think I have
pumped about 80% of that well and have the other 20% on my "to do" list.

If you're just shooting in the dark may I suggest:

a) Burke.....a toughie, courthouse burned THREE times....probably a half
dozen rolls of microfilm in total. But any shred is golden. I think that is
where ALL our boys went to and the guys in Screven are in Screven simply
because the southern part of Burke became Screven in 1793.

b) Laurens.....George seemed to have considerable amount of property over
there
and I have looked at none of it except to transcribe in total "Laurens County
Records, 1807-1857", by Allen Thomas. That one is so obvious you might get
lured into spending a lot of time on this particular work which has George
all through it. Don't. I can send you complete transcription of all the
Poythress mentions. The only reason its not up on the page is that author
Thomas is a still-active judge in Laurens
and the copyright is still in force. Anything else in Laurens I haven't
touched. There is no evidence George actually lived there....although it
looks like he "lived" in the courthouse doing legal stuff, sometimes in his
capacity as a sheriff (which was "of"
Burke County) but he did a lot of legal stuff in Laurens also.

As you will recall, George has 10 tons of records which is everything except
what we REALLY want.....i. e. we know he was brother to Lewis back in
Mecklenburg. Was he also a brother to Meredith? And who else came to Burke
County with those guys?

b) Troup....geographically illogical and best forgotten, there are a ton of
P's but every last one of them are descendents of Joseph & Mary Poythress who
went there in about 1830 and began a 100% dysfunctional family that I think
finally cleaned up their act but a few of them still hang around to this day.
That entire convoluted story is on the page.

c) Greene.....scanty records and I have made little or no progress. Greene
County today is about as civilized as it was in 1700's and I'm not sure the
court house clerk was overly competent back then. However, might be a place
to poke about. There is also a Wagnon family that is in there that
constantly seems to be giving boy kids "Poythress" as a middle name and that
connection goes all the way back to Brunswick Co., VA although I have not
discovered precisely what the connection is. If you see a guy named Wagnon
and he has middle initial as "P" he has a P. connection for sure (although
admittedly middle initials are seldom recorded).

d) Effingham County, tempting because its just south of Screven and has some
Poythresses in it, most of whom are (we think) Deb Freeman's folks descended
from John White Poythress, first son of Meredith Poythress, Jr. by his first
wife Hester Wilder Mock. However, I don't think there is much leverage
there, if and when we ever untangle it Deb will be very happy because if she
hooks to Meredith Jr. in any way she can piggy back all the way to Brunswick
County, VA because she is then on mine and Bud's "Meredith" line.

e) Jenkins.....contiguous with Screven and I don't think any one has done a
lick of work on that one. County seat is Millen. My reluctance to tackle
this one is that there are a bunch of Poythresses (plus Portress) in there
that I just can't link to anything or anybody and the frustration has just
led me elsewhere.

f) Richmond County. That's beginning to only "look" far afield. County seat
is Augusta so records are fairly widespread. I have transcribed all of the
"mentions"
in the Augusta Chronicle/Georgia Digest from an "index" by a neat gal who is
the head librarian for city library and has indexed the whole thing. There
are many Poythress "mentions" and I can send you the "copy" on all of them
all in one document. The lady who did the index is named Alice Walker and
she is a sweetheart. Richmond County has a very large quantity of records as
Sherman missed it and the courthouse I don't think has ever burned for any
other reason.

g) Ga. Land Lotteries and CSA pension records......these are awfully tempting
because all the information is so complete in both books and microfilm and
there is so much of it but I have it all from soup to nuts (I think).

Anyway, thought I just might throw out some suggestions but my greater
interest was to save you from wasting time collecting material that I may
already have retrieved for us.

Happy Hunting.....and of course I can send you any or all of the above ahead
of time if you wish.

Maynard		01/07/2000 6:36:36
Re: PoythressNo I didn't mention it to Scottie. He isn't specifically looking for
Poythresses but he hits them on a tangent all the time through all his other
family names. To ask for any more than I did seemed to be to be asking him
to do some "P" genealogy and I was a little hesitant to do that.

For Florida we have a James S. Poythress from Screven in our crosshairs
although we don't know where he came from IN Screven. He sells land in
Screven, imigrates to Gadsden County, "Florida territory" (Tallahasse area)
in mid 1820's, patents a couple of pieces of land and we have the patents, is
shown on the muster rolls in a couple of places in the Florida militia during
what is referred to as the "Indian Wars" which I would assume to be with the
Seminoles (maybe some Creeks were that far south but I doubt it). There are
Masonic connections in both Screven and Gadsden Counties....offering only a
remote hint that its possible he could have moved to start a "Florida
chapter".

Skip the generation immediately following that of James S. and some
Poythresses start showing up in Gadsden County A Balinger lady in
Jacksonville complied and posted extensive references to these people in the
LDS' index (now on-line). I have written her but received no reply. She and
the others are all missing that generation of James S's son also.. I've had
a couple of Gadsden folks on the wire and they are as anxious to find James
S.'s son as we are.

If his decedents can link back to certain ones in Screven, then they can get
on mine and Bud's line all the way back to Thomas in Brunswick ca 1760 or so.

James S. is a pretty frustrating guy for us: we can't get a bead on where he
came from or where he went (in the sense of an heir). If you want all this
stuff on James S. I'll be happy to put it on a file and e-mail it to you.

You know, I also remember Barbara talking about Florida guys quite a while
back. I don't remember whether she had them "identified" as "hers" or if she
just ran up on James S. and was looking to see if he was hers...its not all
that far from Sumter County, AL to Gadsden County, FL but its not all that
close either. Specifically in the case of James S. I'd be inclined to say he
is most likely a Sylvania guy who went to Gadsden County for any of several
reasons. Just the fact that he came from Screven would incline me to rule
him out of Barbara's direct line. On the other hand I wouldn't have any
reason to put him IN my line except that he came from Screven.

I'd guess one of two alternatives for Barbara ( I think she's out of town now
but will no doubt pick this one up and reply. Either she found some other
Poythress guy in Florida or she found this guy, saw he was from Screven and
figured he was much more likely to not come from her direct line.

Best,

Maynard		01/17/2000 9:34:18
Courthouses vs. LVAI guess I have just been happily scooting along all this time assuming that I
could
eventually find 99.9% of what was findable in the LVA because the guys from
LDS did the same deal in VA that they did in GA; i. e. copy every shred of
paper in every courthouse in exchange for the copy they would take back to
Salt Lake City and an adjunct to the deal was that the state archives would
get a copy of all counties in addition to each county getting copies of its
own documents.

Am I now hearing Lyn and Barbara saying its not going to be easy in VA
because that didn't happen in VA? Unbelievable. VA is where I would have
STARTED! But, if so, I suppose they had their reasons. What is the Virginia
story in this respect?

Maynard		01/23/2000 1:11:16
Birth RecordsAside from stumbling on a few Parish record books (Bristol being the best
example in Va., for us at any rate) I have about decided this avenue is not
very productive.
Seemingly, other than for some church who wished to preserve baptismal
records,
birth records just weren't just that big a deal. When I find a baptismal
record there is some logic to backing up the date about 10 days and calling
that a birth date.

I realize that today that is not the case but in the era where we are
working, the child death rate (and Mother death rate) was so high, I'm
guessing they wanted them on the record books as quickly as possible.

If anybody has any other ideas I'd love to hear them.

Maynard

P. S. ....great to hear from you Jean, you been laying in the woodwork on us.
🙂		01/24/2000 3:27:32
Re: Mrs. Grass & PoythressYeah, Barb, I got Rebecca around here somewhere, and I specifically remember
Wade Prior....let me see what I can find.

Maynard

01/27/2000 2:10:31
RootsWeb's World Connect ProjectCharles NealMany of you may be unaware that RootsWeb has a new World Connect Project,
located at
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/
that has millions of names in it so far. RootsWeb has pledged to never
charge for access to it, and to never burn the info onto a CD to sell.
Those contributing their GEDCOM info can add to the info later, or delete
or correct into later. The info on any name is linked to a page showing
the name & email address of the person who contributed, along with the date
on which that person last updated it.

I finally got a Round Tuit on looking at what is there so far, today. Among
the 316 listings so far for the exact spelling of Poythress, I saw
- an entry for Leroof Poythress;
- an entry for an early marriage between a Poythress and a Baird;
- an entry for the marriage of John Poythress & Dorothy Randle Bayne
- an entry for Nathaniel Harper Poythress who married Rachael Flake
- an entry for Martha Ann Poythress who married Glee Edwin Bridges
- a number of entries for Poythress folks from Meridian, Mississippi,
posted by a fellow named Speed
- a number of entries for Poythress folks in Wilson Co, NC
and of course LOTS of entries for the earliest Poythress folks in this
country who hooked into various families (Bland, Randolph, Peebles, Coggin,
Batte, Worsham?, Eppes, Bolling, Wynne, Robertson, Hardyman, and on and on

I also checked the spelling of Portress, and found only one listed: Nancy
Ann Portress who married Willoughby Hammack, which listed dates and their 8
children. I checked several other alternate spellings, but certainly not
all the possibilities.

None of the contributors' names were folks who I recognized from our
Poythress List, but then I don't know who all the List's subscribers are
these days. For those of you who are interested in hooking up with folks
who know your ancestors' names from their marrying into other family lines
that they are researching, you could benefit from gaining additional
information from them.

At the site, there are instructions for those interested in submitting
their own GEDCOM, too.

BPN		01/27/2000 3:23:15
Wade Prior m. Rebecca PoythressBarbara, I have two entries:

1) Augusta Chronicle 4 May 1819.....letters waiting at P. O.....Rebecca
Poythress of Waynesborough, Georgia. That's Burke County in between Screven
on the south and Augusta/Richmond County on the North.

2) Wade Prior m. Rebecca Poythress 4 Mar 1829, Columbia County Marriage Book
# A. Columbia County is north of Augusta/Richmond County.

All of the "norths" and "souths" above refer to up and down the Georgia side
of the
Savannah River so Rebecca traveled a couple of counties to get married.
Unless we can pin Rebecca to George P. she may be difficult to find as Burke
records are next to non-existant. She could be anybody but my guess would be
"b. Burke County" since she would be only 14 years old with a letter waiting
in Burke if she was b. 1805. She didn't participate in any of the Georgia
Land Lotteries and she didn't have a CSA widows pension which would be highly
unlikely given her age anyway.

The citation by a lady named Grass would be most interesting. Can you
contact her? Might be worth a shot. She can't be any more illusive than
our original Mrs. Grass.

Maynard		01/27/2000 4:36:33
Sumter CountyBarbara....

This months Georgia Gene. Soc. newsletter (as usual) lists the new
publications in the GDAH. One you might be interested in is "Sumter County,
Alabama Wills, 1828-1872, Mortality Schedules 1850-1880" by Gwendolyn Lynette
Hester, EdD. Thought if you were still in Atlanta you might want to check it
out.

Maynard		01/27/2000 4:54:11
Mrs. Grass & PoythressCharles NealSome of you may remember Maynard's earlier efforts to learn from Mrs. Grass
(now deceased) what all she knew about the Poythress family, after seeing
her name as submitter of Poythress queries, I believe.

Today at the RootsWeb World Connect Project, I followed the link to info re
a Rebecca Poythress, born about 1805 in GA, who married a Wade Haden Prior;
she died 26 Dec 1871 in "Tennille (Pike) AL" which apparently is
referring to Pike County (which county is not too far southeast of the
Alabama state cap. of Montgomery -- thus in the southeastern fourth of the
state). The submitter of the info about this Rebecca does not list any
parents' names for her. The page lists 10 children of Rebecca's marriage
to Prior, and presumably one of those children ties in to the submitter.

The source listed by the submitter of the info is a "DAR Application of
Mrs. Patty Julia Patterson Grass."

I am curious: Does this Rebecca Poythress, born about 1805 in GA, fit in
with any info anyone here is aware of?

Thanks,
BPN		01/27/2000 5:51:02
Mrs. GrassBruce...

This all got started back in late 80's, early 90's when (at about the same
time) Barbara P. Neal and I ran across a number of queries posted by a Mrs.
Frank A. Grass (back in the 50's I think) in various publications.
Specifically, she was asking for infromation on "Major" George Poythress ("of
Virginia") and others in Burke County. The way in which she phrased the
questions strongly implied that she already had a significant amount of
information.....or maybe Barbara and I just assumed that but Barbara has a
good nose for that stuff and I was inclined to think there was something
there.

Anyway, we chased Mrs. Grass down at her original location in Oklahoma City.
She was abed and had Alzheimers (or so I was informed by Mr. Grass (also in
beginning stages of Alzheimers) to whom I was lucky to talk to once. Thats a
guessed "diagnosis" but they were awfully fuzzy. Next call, and thereafter, I
began to get some custodian type lady who majored in Nasty. At the time my
daughter was on TDY in Ok City and I even offered her to come by and go with
Mr. Grass to Kinko's copying center. I offered to send cash or
whatever.....I just wanted copies of her "stuff".

In the single conversation I had with Mr. Grass he mentioned that he sat in
the hot car while his wife prowled those S. Georgia courthouses for days on
end....whetted my appetite all the more.

I kept calling and simultaneously tried not make a pest of myself.
Eventually all I could get at all was the nasty lady who finally told me she
had thrown "all that old stuff out". I make that 50/50.....I think she would
have said anything to get rid of me.

Eventually Mr. Grass also died and we were able to find the heirs in a couple
of places. Various of us on the board have thrashed around with this one
more than any other. The chase has been long and unfruitful.

Specifically:

1) both Mr. & Mrs. Grass are now dead (we have the obits)

2) I never knew Mrs. Grass' Christian name, if its the same lady and I'd
guess it to be I'd take "Patty" if she signed a letter to you that way.

3) the heirs won't answer letters

4) I make it very likely that the Mrs. Grass you talked to (if it was in
early 90's) is same lady we were trying to reach.

5) if anyone has the address of this new lady with Grass in her name, I'd be
more than happy to write her.....in fact, I'd be delighted to write
her....with the caveat that my track record with the Grass family is nothing
to write home about.....in case someone else wants to take a whack.

If the "new" Grass lady is in the DAR book (and is indeed "new") and if we
have anybody with a "link" to her community maybe that might be a better line
of pursuit.

Suggestions anyone?

Maynard		01/28/2000 3:56:22
Wade Prior m. Rebecca Poythress & Mrs. GrassCharles NealMaynard,

Re: "The citation by a lady named Grass would be most interesting. Can you
contact her? Might be worth a shot. She can't be any more illusive than
our original Mrs. Grass"

I'm already sending to the DAR Library to get a copy of the DAR Application
of Patty Grass. It was that DAR application that was cited by this fellow
in World Connect Project. I'll bet a million to one that the DAR
Application is from MANY years ago, and that it was for the same Mrs. Frank
Grass, now deceased. If so, back in that era the DAR applicants did not
send in heavy amounts of photocopies of items of proof, and thus the DAR
Library is not likely to have any additional info that would help us. There
probably is no current "lady named Grass" referred to in your
message-excerpt above.

Thanks for tracking down the references to Wade Prior & Rebecca Poythress
amongst your stuff.
BPN

01/28/2000 12:24:02
Hilton Head IslandSarah PoythressHi List,

If anyone is interested go to http://www.islandpacket.com to read about
Dale's first cousin and his wife. BPN and BPW this is Braxton's
brother.

You will want to check out this site http://www.missingmoney.com. I
found my father on this with money from an insurance company.

We had 19" of snow Tuesday and we are getting freezing rain now. I am
ready for the spring.

Sarah Poythress		01/30/2000 10:46:31
Hilton Head IslandSarah PoythressSorry folks.... I forgot to add.... once you get there , go under Local
News.
Sarah

01/30/2000 11:13:30
Elizabeth Poythress 1810 GAThis was forwarded from another researcher who kindly passed it on to me:

Elizabeth Poythress of Coffees Dist, Hancock GA 10 Nov 1810, drew land in the
Wilkinson
Cty GA land lottery

Barbara (BPW)		02/03/2000 12:21:45
Thomas/Francis GA 1809More sightings from another researcher:
Barbara (BPW)

Wilkinson Cty GA land lottery

Dist 22 #44 Thomas Poythress orphans from Sharps Dist, Burke GA 8 May 1809
Dist 24 Lot 290 Francis Poythress orphans from Coffee Dist Hancock GA, 20 Nov
1809--granted to Thos Poythress orphans		02/09/2000 5:14:34
Mrs. F. Grass & Mrs. Patty Grass & World ConnectI tend to expect the same as does BPN, that Mrs. Frank Grass and Mrs.
Patty Julia Patterson Grass are one and the same deceased person. Even
if this were the case, it would be interesting to know the contents of
the DAR application just to know Mrs. Grass' lineage and how it overlaps
with our knowledge. And in any event, it would be interesting to contact
the LIVING person at the other end of the email address associated with
this factoid in World Connect, just to learn what prompts their interest
in the Grass materials. Just my thoughts. -lpb

On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:24:02 -0500 Charles Neal
writes:
>Maynard,
>
>Re: "The citation by a lady named Grass would be most interesting.
>Can you
>contact her? Might be worth a shot. She can't be any more illusive
>than
>our original Mrs. Grass"
>
>I'm already sending to the DAR Library to get a copy of the DAR
>Application
>of Patty Grass. It was that DAR application that was cited by this
>fellow
>in World Connect Project. I'll bet a million to one that the DAR
>Application is from MANY years ago, and that it was for the same Mrs.
>Frank
>Grass, now deceased. If so, back in that era the DAR applicants did
>not
>send in heavy amounts of photocopies of items of proof, and thus the
>DAR
>Library is not likely to have any additional info that would help us.
>There
>probably is no current "lady named Grass" referred to in your
>message-excerpt above.
>
>Thanks for tracking down the references to Wade Prior & Rebecca
>Poythress
>amongst your stuff.
>BPN

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Alabama, Sumter County, Mortality Schedules 1850-1880Babara, some time ago we had discussed death records for Alabama and it
was my understanding at that time that regular state records began too
late to be of benefit for information about your James E. Poythress
family. Are you aware of these "Sumter County, Mortality Schedules
1850-1880" and might they hold promise of anything of interest for us?
-lpb


On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:54:11 EST VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
>Barbara....
>
>This months Georgia Gene. Soc. newsletter (as usual) lists the new
>publications in the GDAH. One you might be interested in is "Sumter
>County,
>Alabama Wills, 1828-1872, Mortality Schedules 1850-1880" by Gwendolyn
>Lynette
>Hester, EdD. Thought if you were still in Atlanta you might want to
>check it
>out.
>
>Maynard

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Origins of Local Records at LVAMaynard and all, regarding the history of state archiving of local
records in Virginia, here is part of the story as excerpted from "A
Preliminary Guide to Pre-1904 County Records in the Virginia State
Library and Archives":

"The importance of records keeping and maintenance is illustrated by the
fact that more than 40 percent of Virginia's county courts have suffered
records losses by fire, war, floods, or other causes. About half of
those have lost all or almost all of their records...The vulnerability of
records gained legislative attention when the Botetourt County Courthouse
was destroyed by fire in December 1970. A measure was then introduced in
the General Assembly, and in 1972...was passed, providing for the
inventorying, scheduling, and microfilming of official records of
permanent value...

"The state was divided into five districts, and localities within each
district were ranked for priority treatment, based on three general
criteria: value of the records in terms of age and content, condition of
the records and storage facilities, and whether or not security
microfilming of any records had already been done by any other group.

"The security microfilm aspect of the local records program is handled by
the Information Imaging Branch of the Archives and Records division. The
Archives Appraisal and Description Branch is responsible for transfer of
original records. The Code of Virginia and general schedules give firm
guidelines on disposition of records, so that even if permanent records
have been filmed, they cannot be destroyed. Localities lacking adequate
storage facilities are encouraged to transfer records to the Archives.
Once transferred, the records will eventually be flat filed, arranged,
stored in acid-free containers and scheduled for microfilming. After
filming, the original records usually remain in the Archives..."

a personal note: Of the dozens of reels of Virginia records I have
studied, I do not recall seeing any ascription except to "Virginia State
Library and Archives", in no case to LDS. -lpb

On Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:11:16 EST VKRatliff@aol.com writes: I guess I
have just been happily scooting along all this time assuming that I could
eventually find 99.9% of what was findable in the LVA because the guys
from LDS did the same deal in VA that they did in GA; i. e. copy every
shred of paper in every courthouse in exchange for the copy they would
take back to Salt Lake City and an adjunct to the deal was that the state
archives would get a copy of all counties in addition to each county
getting copies of its own documents...What is the Virginia story in this
respect?

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Alabama, Sumter County, Mortality Schedules 1850-1880Charles NealDear Lyn,

Re: "Sumter County, Alabama Wills, 1828-1872, Mortality Schedules
1850-1880" by Gwendolyn Lynette Hester, EdD"

Thanks for thinking of me, because the published resources on Sumter Co are
so slim. And yes, the state of Alabama began registering deaths statewide
much too late to be of help with the early Poythresses.

Over the last couple of years, I have corresponded with Gwen Hester & even
helped her get straight on one of the more difficult Wills in her book,
since I had earlier transcribed the entire lengthy will of my Ormond
ancestor involved. I bought that book as soon as it was available, and
also bought her transcription of the 1855 Sumter State Census, and have
tried to encourage her to publish a transcription of the 1866 Sumter State
Census.

Gwen Hester can be reached, for anyone wishing to communicate with her
about what she may next publish on Sumter Co or otherwise, in Dallas, TX at
Her quality hardback edition mentioned in the top
line was published in 1998 by Southern Roots; 11620 Audelia Rd, Suite 122;
Dallas, TX 75243-5675.
BPN		02/14/2000 11:25:48
VA World War I History Commission QuestionnairesCharles NealOnline at the Library of VA website, are the nearly 15,000 written
questionnaires compiled in the decade following that War, that were
completed by veterans of the conflict. The following site allows you to
search on a surname. The resulting images are in TIFF format. The
questionnaires have full name of the vet, his birth date & place, parents'
names, religious & political background, children, & more info detailing
his military service.

I searched and came up with nothing on the name Poythress, also spelled as
Porthress & Pothress. However if any of you have other surnames of
interest in VA at that time, you may want to check the site.

The site is:
http://eagle.vsla.edu/wwi/ --Note: the ending letter of that address
is indeed the letter i
Good luck,
BPN		02/16/2000 3:33:29
Wagnon/PoythressAbout a year ago I got a query from a Paul Wagnon asking what, if anything, I
knew about a Thomas Poythress Wagnon in Burke County 1820 or so. I drew a
complete blank and have little to go on but the name as it continues to pop
up again and again (Poythress except in the first instance always as a middle
name) so I have not put it on the list.

The first mention is a deed back in Brunswick County between a Wagnon and a
Thomas Poythress. Other documents infer a close relationship between the two
families. There was indeed a Thomas Poythress Wagnon in Burke County ca 1820
and he appears to have had both a son and a grandson with Poythress as a
middle name.....and these two guys drifted over into Greene County (whose
records are second worst to Burke County). Further, there are a lot of, for
example, "John P.
Wagnon"'s whom we suspect to be "middle-named" Poythress.

Anyway, low and behold, Paul Wagnon has now located a picture of a Thomas
Poythress Wagnon. I am going to guess that he was likely to be either the
son or grandson of Burke County's Thomas Poythress Wagnon simply because we
don't know precisely when the technology of photography came to that family
but it obviously can be the guy in 1820.

I am going to attempt to "paste" this below to get it through Rootsweb since
I know I can't get an attachment thru but if this one finks out too and
anyone wants a pic just e-mail me. He's just a "guy".....nothing
particularly distinguished about the photo.

Maynard
[Unable to display image]		02/24/2000 3:31:06
Re: Alabama, Sumter County, Mortality Schedules 1850-1880So, Barbara, I am unfamiliar with the term "Mortality Schedule". What
are these in the case of Sumter County? Thanks. -lpb

On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:25:48 -0500 Charles Neal
writes:
>Dear Lyn,
>
>Re: "Sumter County, Alabama Wills, 1828-1872, Mortality Schedules
>1850-1880" by Gwendolyn Lynette Hester, EdD"
>
>Thanks for thinking of me, because the published resources on Sumter
>Co are
>so slim. And yes, the state of Alabama began registering deaths
>statewide
>much too late to be of help with the early Poythresses.
>
>Over the last couple of years, I have corresponded with Gwen Hester &
>even
>helped her get straight on one of the more difficult Wills in her
>book,
>since I had earlier transcribed the entire lengthy will of my Ormond
>ancestor involved. I bought that book as soon as it was available,
>and
>also bought her transcription of the 1855 Sumter State Census, and
>have
>tried to encourage her to publish a transcription of the 1866 Sumter
>State
>Census.
>
>Gwen Hester can be reached, for anyone wishing to communicate with her
>about what she may next publish on Sumter Co or otherwise, in Dallas,
>TX at
> Her quality hardback edition mentioned in the
>top
>line was published in 1998 by Southern Roots; 11620 Audelia Rd, Suite
>122;
> Dallas, TX 75243-5675.
>BPN

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Re: VA World War I History Commission QuestionnairesThanks, Barbara, for alerting us to this. I had visited this site some
time ago. One Poythress WWI veteran of Virginia is missing because of
his premature death. My grandfather, Leonard T. Poythress, died in 1926
of influenza. The questionnaires, as I recall, were done in the early
1930's (WPA?).

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CookiesIf I miss the finer points of the technology, please none of you techies
laugh at me....
I'm harmless. But many of you may wish to do a small "operation" on your PC.

A cookie is a web message that a Web Server sends to your browser when you
visit a site that "sets" cookies (which is most of them). So far, with only
one exception, cookies are relatively harmless. They provide marketing data
to those sites that hire a "cookie setter", they count "hits", they enable a
site to "recognize you" (Amazon being a good example), etc. Cookies
themselves shouldn't be a matter of great concern unless you are visiting
sites like "how to make anthrax for fun and profit" or something like that.

Cookies themselves cannot give a third party access to your personal data,
but they do store the information you may have inadvertently provided just by
clicking on a site. In other instances it is possible to gather your name
and address presumably to provide to advertisers.

Earlier this month, a "cookie installing" company (there are only about a
dozen or so of them) named DoubleClick acknowledged that it was under FTC
investigation for selling to their customers a "match-up" of marketing data
hooked TO INDIVIDUALS. The FTC regards this as a serious matter of privacy
invasion and most web users would too.

In the meanwhile, why wait on these turkeys to devise a way to circumvent a
justice deparment order. Just get rid of your DoubleClick cookies BY
YOURSELF. Its easy to zap your DoubleClick cookies periodically and leave
all the others intact. In addition to the publicity afforded by the FTC
investigation, if and when it becomes general knowledge that many, many users
are zapping DoubleClick cookies obviously the "value" of DoubleClick to their
customers should diminish
sizably......a proposition they richly deserve.

Its simple:
1) open your Windows explorer
2) there is a file simply called "Windows", double click on it.
3) under Windows there is a directory named "cookies"
4) there will likely be a "warning" not to delete any of these files.....big
deal, naturally
they don't want you to delete them.....they make money selling
them....ignore the
implication that this deleting might somehow "harm" your computer.
5) double click on "cookies"......depending on how many sites you visit you
may
pop up between a dozen to several hundred "names" of cookie companies
which
will appear. You will recognize many of them but there will likely only
be about a
a dozen or so of them in total.
6) go down the list and high light the ones named "DoubleClick"...."select"
them and
then just merely ZAP them with "delete".
7) depending on your frame of mind repeat the operation above every once in a
while
8) forward this message to a friend suggesting they might wish to perform the
"fix"
and advise friends on their mailing list to do so as well.

In addition, you will sometimes see "DoubleClick" shown as a part of a web
address if you get a page or two into a site. You might wish to tell that
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Mortality SchedulesCharles NealIn response to Lyn's question, in conjunction with the censuses of 1850
through 1900, each time there was a U S Census, not only a Population
Schedule was prepared (ie the normal Census we are all used to looking at,
hunting for our ancestors), there was also a Mortality Schedule prepared,
as well as various other schedules in some of the years (Slave Schedule in
1850 & 1860; Indian Schedule in 1880; 1890 Schedule of Union Veterans &
Widows; 1820 Census of Manufactures; and 1850-1880 Schedules for
Agriculture, Industry, and Social Statistics). You can see from the number
of schedules he had to fill out that visits to some households having a
number of those, would have taken a WHILE.

The Mortality Schedules of 1890 & 1900 were destroyed.

In the Mortality Schedule, the Enumerator had to list, as he visited each
house for the Population Schedule, the names of persons who had died in the
immediately-preceding 12 months. Thus if the Census was being taken on
June 1, 1880 for example, he would list, for all those who had died between
June 1, 1879 and May 31, 1880:
- name
- age
- sex
- color
- marital status
- place of birth
- occupation
- month of death
- cause of death
The 1880 schedule also includes the birthplaces of the parents of the
deceased.

I have had only one ancestor who I know happened to have died in the
particular 12 months to be listed. The Mortality Schedules that have been
microfilmed are at the National Archives; ones that have not been filmed
are usually at a state's archives. I don't know for sure whether the
Family History Library has all the microfilms of them that the National
Archives has, but I bet they do.

Some have been transcribed & published in book form, such as the one by
Gwen Hester for Sumter Co, AL that prompted this discussion.

BPN		03/04/2000 12:35:45
Lyn's View on CookiesSince Maynard is bringing this up, I will add my opinion. Doubleclick
has gotten the publicity, but actually any "banner advertiser" could
attempt the same. At lots of common sites that one visits, one gets
offered cookies from banner advertisers, often the same banner advertiser
on multiple sites. This creates the potential for lots of "cookie
centrals" that are watching us. I prefer not to be watched by banner
advertisers. To prevent this, I have my browser set to prompt whenever a
cookie is offered. I accept very few cookies and never on sites with
banner advertising. This slows down my browsing some. Also,
occasionally, I check and purge my cookie folders (yes, in some versions
of Windows there are multiple cookie folders).

I have noticed two trends: 1) Most sites let me do most of what I want
without needing to accept cookies, even thoses such as Amazon that
require registration. (It is true that some sites are too weak-minded to
handle registration without a cookie; shame on them.) 2) Sites are
becoming more polite and reducing the number of times they attempt
cookies.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Re: Mortality SchedulesBabara, thanks for this information. I had been thrown off by the local
context and did not realize it was referring to a Federal census
document. Anyway, a good reminder for us all of an often overlooked
resource.

Best regards,
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03/07/2000 9:01:05
Research Sites on InternetThis is a helpful list of research url's online.

BPW


> Daughters of the American Revolution
> http://www.chesapeake.net/DAR
>
> Daughters of the Republic of Texas
> http://www.drtl.org/~drtl/index.html
>
> Descendants of Mexican War Veterans
> http://member.aol.com/dmwv/home.htm
>
> Descendants of Washington's Army at Valley Forge
> http://www.execpc.com/~drg/widwavf.html
>
> Founders of the New Haven Colony
> http://members.tripod.com/~Historic_Trust/NEWHAVEN.HTM
>
> General Society of Mayflower Descendants
> http://user.aol.com/calebj/mayflower.html
>
> General Society of the War of 1812
> http://LanClio.org/1812.htm
>
> General Society Sons of the Revolution
> http://www.execpc.com/~drg/gssro.html
>
> Grand Army of the Republic (G.A.R.)
> http://pages.prodigy.com/CGBD86A/garhp.htm
>
> for male descendants and
> Ladies of the Grand Army of the Republic
> http://suvcw.org/lgar.htm
>
> Women's Relief Corps
> http://suvcw.org/wrc.htm
> for female descendants of Union soldiers of the Civil War.
>
> Huguenot Society
> http://www.startext.net/homes/huguenot/
>
> International Society Daughters of Utah Pioneers
> http://www.media.utah.edu/medsol/UCME/d/DAUGHTERSUTPIO.html
>
> Military Order of the Loyal Legion of the United States
> http://suvcw.org/mollus.htm
>
> Military Order of the Stars and Bars
> http://scv.org/mosbhome.htm
>
> Military Order of the World Wars
> http://www.cais.com/dc/moww/
>
> Order of Daedalians
> http://www.daedalians.org/
>
> Order of Indian Wars of the United States
> http://members.tripod.com/~Historic_Trust/INDIAN.HTM
>
> Point Lookout Prisoner of War Organization
> http://barbados.cc.odu.edu/~bkb300z/plpow/plpow.html
> for descendants of POWs at the Point Lookout,
> Maryland prison during the American Civil War.
>
> Society of the Cincinnati
> http://members.tripod.com/~Historic_Trust/CINCINNA.HTM
>
> Sons of the American Legion
> http://www.legion.org/salinfo.htm
>
> Sons of the American Revolution
> http://www.sar.org/
>
> Sons of Confederate Veterans
> http://scv.org/
>
> Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War.
> http://SUVCW.org/
>
> Link to the Daughters of Union Veterans of the Civil War.
> http://suvcw.org/duv.htm
>
> ***********************************************
> Fraternal/Social Organizations
>
> Follow this link for a good discussion about Fraternal Organizations
> and insurance. This isn't about college Greek fraternities, but
rather
> organizations formed for mutual benefit such as Woodmen of the World,
>
> Knights of Pythias, Improved Order of Heptasophs, and the like.
> http://www.wvu.edu/~socialwk/faculty/RAL/E/fraternities.html
>
> Benevolent & Protective Organization of Elks (BPOE)
> http://rtpnet.org/~nec/
>
> Free Masons
> http://www.freemasonry.org/index.html
>
> Independent Order of Odd Fellows (IOOF)
> http://www.avd.nl/ioof/e_index.htm
>
> Kiwanis Club
> http://www.kiwanis.com/
>
> Knights of Columbus
> http://www.netreach.net/~kofc4215/knights.htm
>
> Lion's Club International
> http://www.lions.org/
>
> National Exchange Club
> http://rtpnet.org/~nec/
>
> Optimists International
> http://www.optimist.org/
>
> Order Knights of Pythias
> http://freenet.buffalo.edu/~br001/index.html
>
> Rotary International
> http://www.rotary.org/
>
> Shriners of North America
> http://freenet.buffalo.edu/~br001/index.html
>
> Woodmen of the World
> http://members.aol.com/markcase/page3.htm
>
> *********************************************************
> Patriotic and Military Organizations
>
> Air Force Association (AFA)
> http://www.afa.org/
>
> The American Legion
> http://www.legion.org/
>
> Ancient and Honorable Artillery Co of Massachusetts
> http://www.tiac.net/users/ltcdon/
>
> Ancient and Honorable Order of the Jersey Blues
> http://www.innerlight.com/genepool/njblues.htm
>
> Association of the U S Army (AUSA)
> http://www.ausa.org/
>
> Disabled American Veterans (DAV)
> http://www.dav.org/contents/
>
> Legion of Valor of the United States
> http://members.aol.com/LValor1890/index.html
>
> Marine Corps League
> http://www.mcleague.org/
>
> Military Order of the Purple Heart
> http://www.purpleheart.org/index.ssi
>
> National Society Sons of Utah Pioneers
> http://www.uvol.com/sup/homepage.html
>
> The Navy League
> http://www.navyleague.org/
>
> Retired Officers Association (TROA)
> http://www.troa.org/
>
> United Daughters of the Confederacy
> http://www.hsv.tis.net/~maxs/UDC/
>
> Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW)
> http://www.vfw.org/
>		03/08/2000 4:59:26
Re: William B. PoythressHi Mike.....figured I must have another retiree on the hook to get such a
prompt answer :). I'm taking the liberty of copying the Poythress listserver
which I should have done to begin with......this one is getting fairly
complicated.

Never heard of the David Morenus guy you mention but I'll sure try to run him
down. We need to corral all Poythress researchers on a) the listserver:
Poythress-L@rootsweb.com.....and b) the webpage: http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
.

Re "Mr. Johnson", now that I know it wasn't YOU doing the research....I can
say frankly you can take my version of the Troup County guys to the bank and
Mr. Johnson had some serious lapses in careful genealogy. However, what
really intrigues me about this thing is that you say your kinship originates
in NC. My guys went straight from VA to Ga. (Burke/Screven/Effingham
Counties)......and if this particular Joseph P. came via NC that would be
extremely interesting because a ton of Poythresses wound up in NC and stayed.
Warren County, Ga. is not that far from the destination point of my
guys.....and the given names saturating Joseph's family say VA all over them:
Francis, John, Hardaman.

The good news about researching Poythresses is that there was only one "the
immigrant" (Francis, hit Virginia about 1632) so anyone with the name is
likely kin. The bad news is that seat of the family was Prince George
County, Va. where those friendly folks from the Army of the Potomac burned
all the courthouses, farms, crops, etc.....so finding records is a bear.

Anyway, I'd really appreciate hearing from you after you check out the
Poythress webpage. We had some interesting counts and no-accounts that may
link up with your guys somewhere.

Best,

Maynard

(John M. Poythress)


P. S. below is the e-mail to which I originally replied. Bud Poythress of
Effingham County sent me the William B. Poythress information from a Lindy
Poythress Sillers who is a cousin of Bud's. As I suspected, Lindy wasn't
peddling the deal, just asking Bud about this William B. Poythress record she
had found on the web.

I said:

"Lordy, Bud, don't saddle us with another William....we got too many already
:). I think we have THIS William hung on the right peg and he shouldn't
create any confusion with the Screven crowd as he clearly was born and died
in Troup County.

As for Ms. Sillers' material in your e-mail my records would
say......everything said in Mrs. Sillers finding on the web is true EXCEPT
the guy who did all those things itemized is Francis Andrew Poythress, NOT
William B. Poythress (they were brothers).

One has to look in the corners to find Francis. He dies 2 Oct 1859 and the
1860 Georgia Mortality Schedule lists cause of death as "liquor." Whether he
was an alcoholic or whether a case fell off a top shelf and crushed his skull
I don't know. I strongly suspect "a." There was a lot of serious
dysfunction in this family anyway.

Francis married Caroline Ware on 22 Feb 1855 and their child Mary Lorane
Poythress was born 3 Sep 1856. One has to be careful with the Ware name as
Mary Ann E. (Elizabeth?) Poythress, sister of Frank, also married a Daniel
Ware.....so its easy to get mixed up on Wares.

Its also easy to confuse the Marys. Mary # 1 is wife of patriarch Joseph
Poythress (probably from Virginia but maybe born in GA in 1788), Mary # 2 is
the daughter of patriarch Joseph and his wife Mary #1. Mary # 3 is Mary
Lorane Poythress, daughter of Francis Andrew and Caroline Ware Poythress
above.

See "Study of Joseph & Mary Poythress of Troup County" under "charts and
studies" on the Poythress web page. You may want to just print it and mail
it to Ms. Sillers if she is not on-line in which case you can just give her
the address of the web page, http://www1.minn.net/~atims

There IS indeed a son Wm., born 1818, shows up on the 1850 census as 30 and
shows in the will of Joseph Poythress (his father) in 1853. There is the
inference in father Joseph's will that William is not competent to manage his
own affairs as his portion of the property is left to Russell K. Poythress as
trustee for William. In 1857 William B. is scrapping in court with Russell
K. Poythress (his brother) over terms of their father's will with respect to
property and crops.

William shows again in the Troup County 1860 census unmarried at age 42,
occupation farmer....and he has 17 slaves and a 22 year old overseer named W.
S. Broth, aged 22, living with him. William shows again in the 1870 census
(at age 52) and since I only have that census in "index" form and I don't
have the "B"s I don't know if W. S. Broth is still with him. I find no
further record of William anywhere
past the 1870 census.

Again, all of the "events" cited in the document from Ms. Siller are (as far
as I can tell) correct except they didn't happen to William B. Poythress,
they happened to Francis Andrew Poythress (b. 4 Apr 1836, d. 2 Oct
1859..source F. A. Poythress bible). Francis was referred to by his father
as "Frank." His brother Russell's comment in one of the legal cases that
Frank was a "mother's boy" suggests that just perhaps Frank wasn't
particularly a favorite of either his father or brother Russell.

The given names Francis and John Hardaman Poythress (another brother) makes
this family a dead ringer to be descended from the Virginia crowd who
repeatedly used Francis (Francis P. was "the immigrant", arrives Va. 1632,
Francis' first son was John and to my knowledge that is the most common given
name in the family.
I'm John, my father was John, my great-grandfather was John, my son is John,
his son is John, etc., etc. We're not 100% sure where the Hardaman came from
but it started in colonial Virginia and it has hung on seemingly forever.

I would very much appreciates Ms. Siller's comments on the above. Even
though I feel pretty good about this one (I extrapolated only the birth dates
of children from
censuses) I have certainly been known to get carried away and string one of
these tales out a hundred miles and then find out its all wrong. In fact, I
sometimes think that's what genealogy is all about, for me at any rate.

I would not only appreciate Ms. Siller (assuming she may have "developed" it
rather than just picking it up off the web) setting me straight where I am
wrong but my
ongoing question that I have never been able to get at is "where did Joseph
come from in the first place?". Joseph simply appears in Warren County in
1814 and I have no records (Georgia or Virginia) that indicate his origin. I
have found no other Poythresses in Warren County although that is a logical
location. Warren is between Burke and Greene Counties, both of which had a
number of individuals with the name.

If Ms. Sillers has any information (or even a clue) with respect to Joseph
Poythress'
origin I would be most grateful if she would be willing to share it.

Finally, it strikes me that Ms. Sillers might have just picked this up off
the web somewhere and forwarded it to you knowing you were interested in
Poythress genealogy. In that case, if Ms. Sillers has the source of the
information I would love to contact the individual who put it together.

Best,

Maynard

P. P. S. Mike.....Bud is a fellow "old salt".....you two should speak fluent
"bluewater" and have no problem communicating. 🙂		03/14/2000 2:38:56
Fwd: FW: Senility PrayerDebbie FreemanThought I'd share this with you all. It's very funny.
Debbie


> > Subject: FW: Senility Prayer
> >
> >
> >
> > > THE SENILITY PRAYER:
> > >
> > >> >> > > God grant me the Senility to forget the people
> > >
> > > >> > > I never liked anyway, the good fortune to run into
> > >
> > > >> > > the ones that I do, and the eyesight to tell the
> > >
> > > >> > > difference. Now that I'm older, here's what
> > >
> > > >> > > I've discovered:
> > >
> > > >> > >
> > >
> > > >> > > 1. I started out with nothing, and I still have
> > >
> > > >> > > most of it.
> > >
> > > >> > > 2. My wild oats have turned into prunes and All
> > >
> > > >> > > Bran.
> > >
> > > >> > > 3. I finally got my head together; now my body
> > >
> > > >> > > is falling apart.
> > >
> > > >> > > 4. Funny, I don't remember being absent
> > >
> > > >> > > minded...
> > >
> > > >> > > 5. All reports are in; Life is now officially
> > >
> > > >> > > unfair.
> > >
> > > >> > > 6. If all is not lost, where is it?
> > >
> > > >> > > 7. It is easier to get older than it is to get wiser.
> > >
> > > >> > > 8. Some days you're the dog; some days you're
> > >
> > > >> > > the fire hydrant.
> > >
> > > >> > > 9. I wish the buck stopped here; I sure could
> > >
> > > >> > > use a few...
> > >
> > > >> > > 10. Kids in the back seat cause accidents.
> > >
> > > >> > > 11. Accidents in the back seat cause...kids.
> > >
> > > >> > > 12. It's hard to make a comeback when you
> > >
> > > >> > > haven't been anywhere.
> > >
> > > >> > > 13. Only time the world beats a path to your
> > >
> > > >> > > door is when you're in the bathroom.
> > >
> > > >> > > 14. If God wanted me to touch my toes, he would
> > >
> > > >> > > have put them on my knees.
> > >
> > > >> > > 15. When I'm finally holding all the cards, why
> > >
> > > >> > > does everyone decide to play chess?
> > >
> > > >> > > 16. It's not hard to meet expenses...they're
> > >
> > > >> > > everywhere.
> > >
> > > >> > > 17. The only difference between a rut and a
> > >
> > > >> > > grave is the depth.
> > >
> > > >> > > 18. These days, I spend a lot of time thinking
> > >
> > > >> > > about the hereafter...I go somewhere to
> > >
> > > >> > > get something, and then wonder
> > >
> > > >> > > what I'm here after. >>
> > >
> > > >> > >
> > >
> > > >> > >
> > >

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com		03/14/2000 4:19:46
Re: William B. PoythressHello All,

Just another tidbit, there is a Joseph Poythress b. 1843 in Northampton
County, NC with a brother William b. 1830. There were also brothers: Luvel,
James, Richard and Sterling.
This William is certainly not the same as your William B., but Northampton is
not that far from Warren NC, I don't think?? This William m. Emmeline and
Joseph m. a Hattie or Katie. Can't read the census....

BGP		03/15/2000 1:22:41
copySorry I punched send without a copy to the listserver:

Subj: Re: William B. Poythress
Date: 3/15/00
To: Portermom1@aol.com

Hi Bruce....

Whups.......I don't remember what I said but its Warren COUNTY, Georgia, not
Warren, N.C.

Plus the patriarch Joseph in this instance d. 1853 and based on censuses I
peg his b. date as 1882. Death date is for certain 1853 so its odds on
stretch too long for your Joseph b. in 1843.....or at least that is my
surmise....and the census records to reinforce the deal.

I would therefore rule out the Joseph you cite but only in this instance, I'm
sure keeping him on the docket. Too bad he didn't have a son Joseph who
moved to Warren County, Ga. or we would have this one nailed (if nothing
else, with some hard circumstantial stuff).

Thanks for the comment. I'm beginning to wish the parents in our family were
attached to names like Ezekial and Zacharias instead of Joseph & William 🙂

Maynard		03/15/2000 2:40:52
Re: William B. PoythressCharles NealMaynard,

In the lower part of your message yesterday, you did not paste (as your
P.S. said you would) the email from "Mike" whoever, to which you "had
originally replied." Instead, you pasted your own earlier message to him.


So those of us who haven't seen what started it all, are still somewhat
lost regarding your mentions of "David Morenus" or "Mr. Johnson" or "Mrs.
Sillers." Can you clarify how Mike apparently comes to be interested in Wm
B Poythress, or whatever prompted your messages?

Thanks,
BPN P.S. I will be travelling much of the next 2 weeks, so unless my
resident wizard soon hooks up something different, I will again have no
way to read or to send messages during that travel time.		03/15/2000 3:11:24
D. MorenusNot especially inclined to invest a lot of time here unless one of you all
wants to pick it up. This Pocahontas expert knows it all already. Too many
-:)'s for me. And he's HEARING from these folks already...but my "sources"
ain't much better. Beam me up, Scotty. MP

>>

From: David.Morenus@PSS.Boeing.com (Morenus, David R)
To: VKRatliff@aol.com ('VKRatliff@aol.com')

No-one is descended from Pocahontas in an unbroken line of male ancestors, so
you might possibly be an unwitting descendant. 🙂 I got an e-mail from a
friend about your Joseph Poythress of Georgia, who was worth $150 million in
the mid-19th century. I'm tempted to say that he must have cut a wide swath
through Georgia, but actually, it was General Sherman who did that. 🙂
Regarding http://www1.minn.net/~atims/bland1.html on your illustrious site,
my copy of _Pocahontas and Her Descendants_ (Robertson, 1887) states that
Richard Bland 1762-1806, who married Susanna Poythress, was the son of
Richard Bland, M.H.B. and Mary Bolling 1744-?, contrary to footnote 1 written
by Mr. Bell. Mary Bolling was a Pocahontas descendant, so Susanna Poythress
would have married a Pocahontas descendant, rather than her own cousin. OTOH,
since I hear that Jane Rolfe's maternal grandfather was Francis Poythress,
then I suppose they were cousins in either case. 🙂
BTW, I also hear that this Francis' father was also Francis, and that one of
them was a captain, and that one of them married Mary Frances Sloman.
Different stories about which was which though...
--
.___.____.__ __. Sincerely Yours,
| . \ . \ \/ | David Morenus
| |) )|) / . . | The Rules Have Changed...Get Paid to Surf the Web!
|___/_|\_\_|\/|_| http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=DFB793



>>>Subj: Re: Poythress et al
Date: 3/15/00
To: David.Morenus@PSS.Boeing.com


Haven't figured out the Bland stuff but since I now live in Kentucky
(2,500,000 people,17 surnames) its understandable; I just need to work on
this one a tad.

Best case is that Jane Poythress Rolfe's father was Francis Poythress, not
her grandfather....per R. Boling Batte who is not God but fairly close to it
in Va. genealogy.

Yep, Joseph Poythress was Loaded with a capital L. Too bad he raised a bunch
of crazies, maybe they could have left some for us. And Sherman didn't get
anywhere close to Troup County; maybe its still buried over there. -:).

Francis Poythress was a Va. Militia Captain after he got here, not a ship
captain ahead of time, contrary to what that fanciful Merrill document
peddles. He came from England as a "factor" for a Lawrence Evans and the two
of them eventually wound up in court over some hassle.

We suspect that IF we have the right family in the first place (and I think
we do) thatFrancis' father was a John...."Francis son of John Poythres
baptised 12 July 1609" from Bishop's Transcept book St. Mary's Parish,
Newent, Gloustershire.

Re Sloman.....nobody but nobody seems to know maiden name of Francis' wife
Mary. Have all sorts of candidates. Coming from multiple sources, Sloman
wins as most likely only on evidence that the name had never before been
recorded in either Poythress or Wynne families but shows up in next two
generations of Wynne families (she married Capt. Rbt. Wynne on being widowed
by Francis Poythress. If you have this one nailed would sure appreciate
having your source as we have been fumbling around forever on this one.

Best,

John M. Poythress		03/15/2000 3:50:52
William B. PoythressI guess I'll learn one of these days. I think I'm going to "finish one off"
in an easy conclusion and it grows hair and gets to the board where everybody
draws a blank.
Sorry about that. Another reason to use the board and not E-MAIL.....I'm
trying to learn.

Anyway, Bud's 15th cousin Lindy Poythress Sillers sends him a write up on Wm.
B. Poythress off the web and asks if he is "ours". I say no (see below) he
ain't and besides you got the wrong guy.....it was his brother Francis Andrew
Poythress who did all those things, not the Wm. B. Poythress of the record.
There WAS this Wm. B. Poythress but he was born and died in Troup County and
my main interest at the moment is finding out where his daddy (Joseph
Poythress) came from.

Lindy gets back to me with the address of "Mike and Cheri" who had the
article that had been authored by a Mr. Johnson so at that point I didn't
refrain from saying it had a lot of holes in it and I sent them the story off
the webpage "Joseph & Mary Poythress Family".

Mike gets the message and says hey, great and by the way I got some stuff
from a
David Morenus who is "researching Poythress". Mike says he'll get back to
me on William B.'s daddy or anything else he may find....I kinda doubt he has
motivation to be a Poythress List player. I contacted David Morenus' page.
He is a Pocahontas
nut so I just complimented him on the techincal excellence of his site and
waved bye bye after giving him the site address for kicks.

Here is the transcript:

Subj: Research notes received on the Poythress Lineage from Cheri Wilson
Date: 3/15/00 12:14:46 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: mewcmw@primenet.com (Cheri & Mike Wilson)
To: VKRatliff@aol.com

Hi .....figured I must have another retiree on the hook to get such a
prompt answer :). I'm taking the liberty of copying the Poythress listserver
which I should have done to begin with......this one is getting fairly
complicated.

Never heard of the David Morenus guy you mention but I'll sure try to run him
down. We need to corral all Poythress researchers on a) the listserver:
Poythress-L@rootsweb.com.....and b) the webpage: http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
.

Re "Mr. Johnson", now that I know it wasn't YOU doing the research....I can
say frankly you can take my version of the Troup County guys to the bank and
Mr. Johnson had some serious lapses in careful genealogy. However, what
really intrigues me about this thing is that you say your kinship originates
in NC. My guys went straight from VA to Ga. (Burke/Screven/Effingham
Counties)......and if this particular Joseph P. came via NC that would be
extremely interesting because a ton of Poythresses wound up in NC and stayed.
Warren County, Ga. is not that far from the destination point of my
guys.....and the given names saturating Joseph's family say VA all over them:
Francis, John, Hardaman.

The good news about researching Poythresses is that there was only one "the
immigrant" (Francis, hit Virginia about 1632) so anyone with the name is
likely kin. The bad news is that seat of the family was Prince George
County, Va. where those friendly folks from the Army of the Potomac burned
all the courthouses, farms, crops, etc.....so finding records is a bear.

Anyway, I'd really appreciate hearing from you after you check out the
Poythress webpage. We had some interesting counts and no-accounts that may
link up with your guys somewhere.

Best,

Maynard

(John M. Poythress)


P. S. below is the e-mail to which I originally replied. Bud Poythress of
Effingham County sent me the William B. Poythress information from a Lindy
Poythress Sillers who is a cousin of Bud's. As I suspected, Lindy wasn't
peddling the deal, just asking Bud about this William B. Poythress record she
had found on the web.

I said:

"Lordy, Bud, don't saddle us with another William....we got too many already
:). I think we have THIS William hung on the right peg and he shouldn't
create any confusion with the Screven crowd as he clearly was born and died
in Troup County.

As for Ms. Sillers' material in your e-mail my records would
say......everything said in Mrs. Sillers finding on the web is true EXCEPT
the guy who did all those things itemized is Francis Andrew Poythress, NOT
William B. Poythress (they were brothers).

One has to look in the corners to find Francis. He dies 2 Oct 1859 and the
1860 Georgia Mortality Schedule lists cause of death as "liquor." Whether he
was an alcoholic or whether a case fell off a top shelf and crushed his skull
I don't know. I strongly suspect "a." There was a lot of serious
dysfunction in this family anyway.

Francis married Caroline Ware on 22 Feb 1855 and their child Mary Lorane
Poythress was born 3 Sep 1856. One has to be careful with the Ware name as
Mary Ann E. (Elizabeth?) Poythress, sister of Frank, also married a Daniel
Ware.....so its easy to get mixed up on Wares.

Its also easy to confuse the Marys. Mary # 1 is wife of patriarch Joseph
Poythress (probably from Virginia but maybe born in GA in 1788), Mary # 2 is
the daughter of patriarch Joseph and his wife Mary #1. Mary # 3 is Mary
Lorane Poythress, daughter of Francis Andrew and Caroline Ware Poythress
above.

See "Study of Joseph & Mary Poythress of Troup County" under "charts and
studies" on the Poythress web page. You may want to just print it and mail
it to Ms. Sillers if she is not on-line in which case you can just give her
the address of the web page, http://www1.minn.net/~atims

There IS indeed a son Wm., born 1818, shows up on the 1850 census as 30 and
shows in the will of Joseph Poythress (his father) in 1853. There is the
inference in father Joseph's will that William is not competent to manage his
own affairs as his portion of the property is left to Russell K. Poythress as
trustee for William. In 1857 William B. is scrapping in court with Russell
K. Poythress (his brother) over terms of their father's will with respect to
property and crops.

William shows again in the Troup County 1860 census unmarried at age 42,
occupation farmer....and he has 17 slaves and a 22 year old overseer named W.
S. Broth, aged 22, living with him. William shows again in the 1870 census
(at age 52) and since I only have that census in "index" form and I don't
have the "B"s I don't know if W. S. Broth is still with him. I find no
further record of William anywhere
past the 1870 census.

Again, all of the "events" cited in the document from Ms. Siller are (as far
as I can tell) correct except they didn't happen to William B. Poythress,
they happened to Francis Andrew Poythress (b. 4 Apr 1836, d. 2 Oct
1859..source F. A. Poythress bible). Francis was referred to by his father
as "Frank." His brother Russell's comment in one of the legal cases that
Frank was a "mother's boy" suggests that just perhaps Frank wasn't
particularly a favorite of either his father or brother Russell.

The given names Francis and John Hardaman Poythress (another brother) makes
this family a dead ringer to be descended from the Virginia crowd who
repeatedly used Francis (Francis P. was "the immigrant", arrives Va. 1632,
Francis' first son was John and to my knowledge that is the most common given
name in the family.
I'm John, my father was John, my great-grandfather was John, my son is John,
his son is John, etc., etc. We're not 100% sure where the Hardaman came from
but it started in colonial Virginia and it has hung on seemingly forever.

I would very much appreciates Ms. Siller's comments on the above. Even
though I feel pretty good about this one (I extrapolated only the birth dates
of children from
censuses) I have certainly been known to get carried away and string one of
these tales out a hundred miles and then find out its all wrong. In fact, I
sometimes think that's what genealogy is all about, for me at any rate.

I would not only appreciate Ms. Siller (assuming she may have "developed" it
rather than just picking it up off the web) setting me straight where I am
wrong but my
ongoing question that I have never been able to get at is "where did Joseph
come from in the first place?". Joseph simply appears in Warren County in
1814 and I have no records (Georgia or Virginia) that indicate his origin. I
have found no other Poythresses in Warren County although that is a logical
location. Warren is between Burke and Greene Counties, both of which had a
number of individuals with the name.

If Ms. Sillers has any information (or even a clue) with respect to Joseph
Poythress'
origin I would be most grateful if she would be willing to share it.

Finally, it strikes me that Ms. Sillers might have just picked this up off
the web somewhere and forwarded it to you knowing you were interested in
Poythress genealogy. In that case, if Ms. Sillers has the source of the
information I would love to contact the individual who put it together.

Best,

Maynard		03/15/2000 12:00:52
RE: William B. PoythressRaymond, MarshaPlease remove me from the Poythress list for now. Thanks.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: VKRatliff@aol.com [SMTP:VKRatliff@aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 7:01 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: William B. Poythress
>
> I guess I'll learn one of these days. I think I'm going to "finish one
> off"
> in an easy conclusion and it grows hair and gets to the board where
> everybody
> draws a blank.
> Sorry about that. Another reason to use the board and not E-MAIL.....I'm
> trying to learn.
>
> Anyway, Bud's 15th cousin Lindy Poythress Sillers sends him a write up on
> Wm.
> B. Poythress off the web and asks if he is "ours". I say no (see below)
> he
> ain't and besides you got the wrong guy.....it was his brother Francis
> Andrew
> Poythress who did all those things, not the Wm. B. Poythress of the
> record.
> There WAS this Wm. B. Poythress but he was born and died in Troup County
> and
> my main interest at the moment is finding out where his daddy (Joseph
> Poythress) came from.
>
> Lindy gets back to me with the address of "Mike and Cheri" who had the
> article that had been authored by a Mr. Johnson so at that point I didn't
> refrain from saying it had a lot of holes in it and I sent them the story
> off
> the webpage "Joseph & Mary Poythress Family".
>
> Mike gets the message and says hey, great and by the way I got some stuff
> from a
> David Morenus who is "researching Poythress". Mike says he'll get back
> to
> me on William B.'s daddy or anything else he may find....I kinda doubt he
> has
> motivation to be a Poythress List player. I contacted David Morenus'
> page.
> He is a Pocahontas
> nut so I just complimented him on the techincal excellence of his site and
>
> waved bye bye after giving him the site address for kicks.
>
> Here is the transcript:
>
> Subj: Research notes received on the Poythress Lineage from Cheri
> Wilson
> Date: 3/15/00 12:14:46 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: mewcmw@primenet.com (Cheri & Mike Wilson)
> To: VKRatliff@aol.com
>
> Hi .....figured I must have another retiree on the hook to get such a
> prompt answer :). I'm taking the liberty of copying the Poythress
> listserver
> which I should have done to begin with......this one is getting fairly
> complicated.
>
> Never heard of the David Morenus guy you mention but I'll sure try to run
> him
> down. We need to corral all Poythress researchers on a) the listserver:
> Poythress-L@rootsweb.com.....and b) the webpage:
> http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
> .
>
> Re "Mr. Johnson", now that I know it wasn't YOU doing the research....I
> can
> say frankly you can take my version of the Troup County guys to the bank
> and
> Mr. Johnson had some serious lapses in careful genealogy. However, what
> really intrigues me about this thing is that you say your kinship
> originates
> in NC. My guys went straight from VA to Ga. (Burke/Screven/Effingham
> Counties)......and if this particular Joseph P. came via NC that would be
> extremely interesting because a ton of Poythresses wound up in NC and
> stayed.
> Warren County, Ga. is not that far from the destination point of my
> guys.....and the given names saturating Joseph's family say VA all over
> them:
> Francis, John, Hardaman.
>
> The good news about researching Poythresses is that there was only one
> "the
> immigrant" (Francis, hit Virginia about 1632) so anyone with the name is
> likely kin. The bad news is that seat of the family was Prince George
> County, Va. where those friendly folks from the Army of the Potomac burned
>
> all the courthouses, farms, crops, etc.....so finding records is a bear.
>
> Anyway, I'd really appreciate hearing from you after you check out the
> Poythress webpage. We had some interesting counts and no-accounts that
> may
> link up with your guys somewhere.
>
> Best,
>
> Maynard
>
> (John M. Poythress)
>
>
> P. S. below is the e-mail to which I originally replied. Bud Poythress of
>
> Effingham County sent me the William B. Poythress information from a Lindy
>
> Poythress Sillers who is a cousin of Bud's. As I suspected, Lindy wasn't
> peddling the deal, just asking Bud about this William B. Poythress record
> she
> had found on the web.
>
> I said:
>
> "Lordy, Bud, don't saddle us with another William....we got too many
> already
> :). I think we have THIS William hung on the right peg and he shouldn't
> create any confusion with the Screven crowd as he clearly was born and
> died
> in Troup County.
>
> As for Ms. Sillers' material in your e-mail my records would
> say......everything said in Mrs. Sillers finding on the web is true EXCEPT
>
> the guy who did all those things itemized is Francis Andrew Poythress, NOT
>
> William B. Poythress (they were brothers).
>
> One has to look in the corners to find Francis. He dies 2 Oct 1859 and
> the
> 1860 Georgia Mortality Schedule lists cause of death as "liquor." Whether
> he
> was an alcoholic or whether a case fell off a top shelf and crushed his
> skull
> I don't know. I strongly suspect "a." There was a lot of serious
> dysfunction in this family anyway.
>
> Francis married Caroline Ware on 22 Feb 1855 and their child Mary Lorane
> Poythress was born 3 Sep 1856. One has to be careful with the Ware name
> as
> Mary Ann E. (Elizabeth?) Poythress, sister of Frank, also married a Daniel
>
> Ware.....so its easy to get mixed up on Wares.
>
> Its also easy to confuse the Marys. Mary # 1 is wife of patriarch Joseph
> Poythress (probably from Virginia but maybe born in GA in 1788), Mary # 2
> is
> the daughter of patriarch Joseph and his wife Mary #1. Mary # 3 is Mary
> Lorane Poythress, daughter of Francis Andrew and Caroline Ware Poythress
> above.
>
> See "Study of Joseph & Mary Poythress of Troup County" under "charts and
> studies" on the Poythress web page. You may want to just print it and
> mail
> it to Ms. Sillers if she is not on-line in which case you can just give
> her
> the address of the web page, http://www1.minn.net/~atims
>
> There IS indeed a son Wm., born 1818, shows up on the 1850 census as 30
> and
> shows in the will of Joseph Poythress (his father) in 1853. There is the
> inference in father Joseph's will that William is not competent to manage
> his
> own affairs as his portion of the property is left to Russell K. Poythress
> as
> trustee for William. In 1857 William B. is scrapping in court with
> Russell
> K. Poythress (his brother) over terms of their father's will with respect
> to
> property and crops.
>
> William shows again in the Troup County 1860 census unmarried at age 42,
> occupation farmer....and he has 17 slaves and a 22 year old overseer named
> W.
> S. Broth, aged 22, living with him. William shows again in the 1870
> census
> (at age 52) and since I only have that census in "index" form and I don't
> have the "B"s I don't know if W. S. Broth is still with him. I find no
> further record of William anywhere
> past the 1870 census.
>
> Again, all of the "events" cited in the document from Ms. Siller are (as
> far
> as I can tell) correct except they didn't happen to William B. Poythress,
> they happened to Francis Andrew Poythress (b. 4 Apr 1836, d. 2 Oct
> 1859..source F. A. Poythress bible). Francis was referred to by his
> father
> as "Frank." His brother Russell's comment in one of the legal cases that
> Frank was a "mother's boy" suggests that just perhaps Frank wasn't
> particularly a favorite of either his father or brother Russell.
>
> The given names Francis and John Hardaman Poythress (another brother)
> makes
> this family a dead ringer to be descended from the Virginia crowd who
> repeatedly used Francis (Francis P. was "the immigrant", arrives Va. 1632,
>
> Francis' first son was John and to my knowledge that is the most common
> given
> name in the family.
> I'm John, my father was John, my great-grandfather was John, my son is
> John,
> his son is John, etc., etc. We're not 100% sure where the Hardaman came
> from
> but it started in colonial Virginia and it has hung on seemingly forever.
>
> I would very much appreciates Ms. Siller's comments on the above. Even
> though I feel pretty good about this one (I extrapolated only the birth
> dates
> of children from
> censuses) I have certainly been known to get carried away and string one
> of
> these tales out a hundred miles and then find out its all wrong. In fact,
> I
> sometimes think that's what genealogy is all about, for me at any rate.
>
> I would not only appreciate Ms. Siller (assuming she may have "developed"
> it
> rather than just picking it up off the web) setting me straight where I am
>
> wrong but my
> ongoing question that I have never been able to get at is "where did
> Joseph
> come from in the first place?". Joseph simply appears in Warren County in
>
> 1814 and I have no records (Georgia or Virginia) that indicate his origin.
> I
> have found no other Poythresses in Warren County although that is a
> logical
> location. Warren is between Burke and Greene Counties, both of which had
> a
> number of individuals with the name.
>
> If Ms. Sillers has any information (or even a clue) with respect to Joseph
>
> Poythress'
> origin I would be most grateful if she would be willing to share it.
>
> Finally, it strikes me that Ms. Sillers might have just picked this up off
>
> the web somewhere and forwarded it to you knowing you were interested in
> Poythress genealogy. In that case, if Ms. Sillers has the source of the
> information I would love to contact the individual who put it together.
>
> Best,
>
> Maynard
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>		03/16/2000 6:54:05
RE: POYTHRESS-D Digest V00 #22Raymond, Marsha2nd request... please remove my address from the mailing list. Thanks.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: POYTHRESS-D-request@rootsweb.com
> [SMTP:POYTHRESS-D-request@rootsweb.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 11:25 AM
> To: POYTHRESS-D@rootsweb.com
> Subject: POYTHRESS-D Digest V00 #22
>
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> RE: William B. Poythress >>		03/16/2000 9:31:49
Nathaniel HarperDorisHi List,
For some time now I've been reading the "List" in the hopes that my ancestor
would pop up. Maynard, Bud, Barbara, and Bob have tried to help me find out
something on my great-randfather's Nathaniel "Harper" Poythress (1861-1908)
of Screven and Jenkins County GA parentage. I have knots all over my head
from this wall. So I'm trying out this great list. Any help for me?
Thanks,
Doris		03/25/2000 10:11:10
Bradford-PaceTerry FreglyJohn Bradford of Charles City VA married Rebecca Pace she was the Dau of Richard Pace Bn ? D Bertie NC after 1736 and Rebecca Poythress. This line includes several connections to Brunswick Co, VA families including RANSOM, HARGRAVES, GREEN, Vaughn, Brown and Moore . I would like help from anyone to sort out these related families
Thanks
Terry		04/02/2000 1:59:37
POYTHRESS StreetJim RichardsonThere is a street named "POYTHRESS" in Hopewell, VA.

Is this old news or is it of interest?

If this is new and there is an interest, I will try to find out which POYTHRESS the street was named after.

Jim Richardson



04/03/2000 3:06:33
POYTHRESS StreetCharles NealJim,

I would be very interested in learning anything you can find out about who
the street was named for, and about how long it has had that name, too, for
that matter. Thanks!

Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)
>
There is a street named "POYTHRESS" in Hopewell, VA.
Is this old news or is it of interest?
If this is new and there is an interest, I will try to find out which
POYTHRESS the street was named after.
Jim Richardson
<



04/03/2000 3:43:18
Re: POYTHRESS StreetYes, I knew there was a Poythress St. in Hopewell.....and in fact took a
couple of pictures standing under it.

However, I suppose I was so carried away I completely forgot to ask if it was
named after a particular Poythress (likely it was) and if so, how long it has
had that name.

I'm fairly sure the group would love to have those answers if you can
possibly dig them out.

Thanks again,

Maynard



04/03/2000 6:04:21
Re: Bradford-PaceHi Terry, nice to hear from you. For the "presumed" marriage Richard Pace m.
Rebecca Poythress, suggest you contact the Pace Network as the guys with the
most up to the minute news. Its: pacenetwrk@aol.com

This marriage is a matter of dispute. The DAR accepted it for a number of
years but the Pace folks now seem to think that some past Pace researcher did
some "creative" filling of missing slots and they make a persuasive case for
this.

Best,

John M. Poythress
(vkratliff@aol.com)



04/03/2000 10:31:39
Re: POYTHRESS StreetCindy, that would be great if you would check this one out, especially with
respect to "George Poythress" as the individual for whom the street might
have been named.. He could possibility be the "Major George Poythress" who
immigrated to Burke County, Ga. about 1780-90. My impression is that his
"Major" is a militia title which those old boys typically kept out of, I
suppose, vanity to one degree or another.

IF we can pin it to the same George, then he would almost certainly be the
son of Thomas Poythress, last seen in Brunswick and Mecklinburg And if this
George actually came from Hopewell or the PG area and it proves to be the
him, then we have another minor mystery: a Prince George "George" with a
certain brother (Lewis) in Mecklinburg County and a certain father (Thomas)
last seen in Brunswick, and a maybe brother Meredith in Mecklinburg.......its
getting a tad unlikely here but we need all of these fellows we can pin down.
🙂

Thanks,

Maynard		04/04/2000 11:19:41
Francis Poythress's LegacyDiana DiamondI thought I would share with you some math. I recently tried to explain to
a nephew why I didn't consider our ancestor Francis Poythress's multiple
appearance on our genealogical chart to be entirely responsible for either
the family eccentricities or its successes.

I also wanted to explain to my nephew why indeed a good portion of America
and even some English folks might honestly claim to be a descendent from the
Immigrant Mr. Poythress or his relative-in-law, Pocahantas (as you know,
Francis's daughter Jane Poythress married Thomas Rolfe, Pochantas's only son
by John Rolfe).

I pointed out that every generation back, our number of possible ancestors
double. When one person occupies several spots far back on one's ancestral
chart, it's still but a drop in the gene pool. Even close up it's debatable
how important it is in terms of health.

On the other hand, descendents multiply at a less reliable number. The
variables are the years/generation and the number of children/generation,
and the intermarriage between descendents.

I chose arbitrarily four children/generation, but as we all know, the early
families often had 10 children. But since Francis Poythress had four
children, if memory serves, that is what I chose, for the sake of argument.

The book GENERATIONS (Strauss & Howe, NY: Quill William Morrow, 1991) talks
about the 13 generations of Americans. I chose 14 (13 plus 1, for good
measure) for my computations. The numbers on the left assume you go back in
time, the ones on the right forward. It's not the actual numbers, but the
trend that is important to consider.

Ancestors(x2) Generation Descendents (multiple previous number by 4)

1 me/you 1 1 Mr. Poythress
2 2 4
4 3 16
8 4 64
16 5 256
32 6 1,024
64 7 4,096
128 8 16,384
256 9 65,536
512 10 262,144
1024 11 1,048,576
2048 12 4,194,304
4096 13 16,777,216
8192 14 67,108,864


One further statistic of note: In 1790 there were just over 700,000
residents in Virginia, the largest state in the union at the time (from an
NGS publication). Happy Hunting.

Diana		04/04/2000 12:24:56
Sarah PoythressRaymond, MarshaMy g-g-grandfather German B. Redman married Sarah Poythress 24 Jan 1856 in
Mecklenburg Co., VA (he later married Elsie Slaughter - in 1873 after Sarah
died). Would like to know anything about Sarah... her full name, parents,
etc. Thanks!		04/06/2000 2:36:18
Franklin County, NC marriage bondsPat AutryI was visiting Franklin County, NC on Friday looking for links other
than Poythress but found this-- for those who might be interested.
The County Registrar only had a listing of the marriage bonds- a copy of
the bonds may be obtainable from the NC Archives.

In a book by Dr. Stephen E. Bradley, Jr on "Franklin County,North
Carolina Marriage Bonds 1779 - 1868", there were no "Poythresses"
listed. There were, however, 3 Portis/Portice brides

Page 47
Date Bondsman / Witness
2694. Robert Thomas(x) to Mourning Portis 5 ...? 1812 James Vinson
(x)

(w) N. Long

Page 33
1911. J__ Morgan to Starling Portis 16 Nov 18_9

Zadock (Ladock?) Anderson (x)

S. Patterson

Sorry about not getting Morgan's 1st name, the copier blurred
there. It looks like Jas. but could be John or James. where there is
other missing informatiom, that's how the book showed it, i.e., year
18_9

Page 31
1785. Elias May to Elizabeth Portice 25 Apr 1835 Julius
May

(w) S. Patterson

Just above this one, is Elias May marrying Patsey Bartholomew 14
Feb 1813


That's all.		04/09/2000 11:21:09
Does anyone have any information concerning Francis PoythressNancy Simmonswhose will was dated 1796????My Wilkinson family seems
to think that he married a second time to Delphy Wilkinson(his first
wife was Mary Peterson). His will was witnessed by Reubin
Wilkinson(Delphy's son) . In her will was hard to tell how she spelled
last name but looked like she spelled is portris.

Would like to hear if anyone has some information concerning this.

Thanks.
Nancy W.Simmons		04/11/2000 3:49:59
Re: Sarah PoythressHello, Marsha. I believe I can help. This is Sarah A. V. Poythress (b.
ca. 1832-35), daughter of Edward Poythress (1798 - after 1860) and
Mahaley Nance (ca. 1803-1807 - after 1860), who were married 10 Dec 1828
in Mecklenburg Co. This is evidenced by at least three artifacts:
-marriage of Edward and Mahaley; see Vogt, John and T. William Kethley,
Jr., Mecklenburg County Marriages, 1765-1853, (Iberian Publishing
Company, Athens, Georgia; 1989), p112;
-Poythress family in 1850; see Mecklenburg household 241 in the 1850
Federal census;
-marriage of Mac G. D. Redman to Sarah Poythress; see Mecklenburg
Marriage Register 1 (indexed).

I am a third-great-grandson of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca Taylor of
Mecklenburg Co. Several of us on the list are either known or likely
descendants of Lewis. Circumstantial evidence indicates that your Edward
Poythress is a son of Lewis and his first wife, Elizabeth Giles. Also we
have on the list at least one other potential descendant of Edward
Poythress, a modern-day Sarah Poythress. No doubt Sarah would appreciate
your help in researching the further ancestry of her known ancestor, John
Lewis Poythress, possible son of Edward P., as well as your known
ancestor, Edward P.

We would enjoy knowing more about your research and hope you will keep in
touch.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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A Hundred MilesSunday marked the 135th anniversary of the surrender at Appomattox. In
remembrance I offer some thoughts.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

=======================
Recently I find myself driving Interstate 95 from Richmond, Virginia to
Washington, DC, a stretch of roadway I have not traveled since I was a
child. A short one hundred and forty years ago this was perhaps the
longest one hundred and seven miles on the planet, a region that
historians William Strauss and Neil Howe termed "a hundred-mile scar of
mud and blood." This day I am surrounded by an army of vehicles,
streaming with them toward the un-frontier-that-might-have-been. A
counter-invasion of equal mass pushes south, intent on its targets,
Richmond and points beyond. Unlike the Armies of the Potomac, this
strike force rushes south in unquestioned confidence, certain of quick
victory. Road signs read like a military history - Hanover,
Fredericksburg, Manassas, Potomac Creek, Spottsylvania, Chancellorsville.
A baptism in fire and blood, more costly in American lives than all
other conflicts combined, one in fifteen Union soldiers slain, one in
four Confederates. To cost America this much, World War II would have to
be repeated eight times. Nothing has so deeply shaped the American
psyche, no rivals, not even close. The passing roadside exhibits a
sameness, the impact of commercial invasions from all directions. At the
strategic interchanges the brands are arrayed - motels, variety stores,
building supplies, gasoline stations, restaurants - the same names one
might see from Maine to Florida and from here to California. As a
Virginian now making my home in New England, I ponder what it all means.
By now the opposing forces will have taken Richmond. My division rolls
across the Potomac and into DC; what should be my communiqué? Perhaps
"WASHINGTON SECURED - ADVANCING ON BALTIMORE."
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Rootsweb marriage info re PoythressFound these Poythress marriages on rootsweb. Does this help anyone?

LUNENBURG COUNTY, VIRGINIA - MARRIAGES
REGISTERS OF BIRTHS, MARRIAGES AND DEATHS
BY REV. JOHN CAMERON
Transcribed by Thomas Walter Duda

1787
Dec. 24 Richard BLAND & Susanna POYTHRESS Pr. George 2 16 "
1788
Sept 20 Roger ATKINSON, Jr., & Agnes POYTHRESS Pr. George 2 8 "
Oct. 25 David MAITLAND & Susanna POYTHRESS Do. 4 4
"24

This is where the info was found in case you want to see it there;

lunmarr3.txt]
LUNENBURG COUNTY, VIRGINIA - MARRIAGES REGISTERS OF BIRTHS, MARRIAGES AND
DEATHS BY REV. JOHN CAMERON Transcribed by Thomas Walter Duda Source: BELL,
Landon C. _Cumberland Parish Lunenburg County, Virginia 1746-1816. Vestry
Book 1746-1816_ Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. Baltimore: 1974. pp. 299-3
...
http://c-23.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/archives/va/lunenburg/vitals/marriages/lunma
rr3.txt 02/05/00, 47564 bytes

Jane
A Virginian livng in Florida		04/16/2000 1:27:30
The "Mock Ledger"Bob Peavy, et al:

Here is the way it is in my records. I do not recall having ever seen an
actual photocopy of this ledger page. I do, however, remember that on
reading/copying it and noting its source I gave this "snippet of material" a
lot of credibility when I first saw it. The syntax however, I think I
recognize as my own so I will not place it in quotes:

In the instance of Hester Wilder Mock, in 1794 a Burke County Court Record
book with remaining blank pages was sold to Harry Wilder, who then began to
record daily business transactions of sundry nature. Next Wilder's son Isaac
Wilder inherited the book and used it for even more varied purposes, one of
which was to record the births of various Wilder family members. Listed
(among others) are the name and birth dates of Hester Wilder's children by
Meredith Poythress:
George Washington Poythress b. 13 Jan 1819
John White Poythress b. 13 Jan 1821
Henrietta Poythress b. 7 Dec 1823
Sarah Edwards Poythress b. 14 Nov 1826
Isaac Edmon Poythress b. 28 May 1828

In my original records, I recorded this as "Hester Wilder's children by
Meredith Poythress, Jr., likely (and sinfully) editorizing with respect to
the "Jr." which at the time I felt sure was correct. I now have serious
doubts on this and am leaning to your version which has Meredith Poythress,
Sr. as the husband of Hester Wilder Mock. I will leave "Jr." or "Sr"
unstated (as I suspect the original did) and let the reader make up his or
her own mind.

Also to be noted is the fact that husband Benjaman T. Mock, Hester's sons,
and Grandville Beville are not suprisingly given short shrift in this
account.

Best,

Maynard Poythress		04/16/2000 11:52:21
Husband of Hester Wilder Mock?Bud, I have been chewing on this piece of gristle for quite a while now.
Today, I tried to go at this with some degree of completeness. I now
strongly lean to Bob Peavy's conclusion that widow Hester Wilder Mock was
Meredith Poythress, Sr.'s
second wife and was NOT the first wife of Meredith Poythress, Jr.

Before anything else (even if not technically pertainent to this question), I
think we have to settle the matter of the "two" Hester Poythresses. Despite
the fact that the Hester Poythress (aged 55) of the 1850 census has an
imputed birthdate only two years off from Hester Wilder Mock Poythress, I
think we just have to throw her out of this evaluation. None of the other
names, dates, etc. even remotely match. Primarily is her birthplace of SC
(the same as Hester Wilder Mock BUT Hester Poythress the mystery woman has a
first son (William, 18) also born in SC.

Hester Poythress is not in the 1840 census, presumably not having arrived
from SC with son William. Likely both Meredith Poythress, Sr. and wife
Hester Wilder Mock Poythress have died by 1840, at any rate they aren't on
the census.

Laying out papers from h--- to breakfast, the process began of trying to sort
this one out. I went at it looking for the following indications (in order
of importance as "evidence"):

1. Is there a document(s) concretely making one of these fellows TO BE or NOT
TO
BE the husband of widow Hester Wilder Mock?
2. Is there a document which would establish a strongly circumstantial
connection
to any other family which would drive a conclusion?
3. Could we make anything substantial out of the father/son age difference?
4. Meredith Poythress, Sr. seems like a solid citizen; Jr. is a hard luck
case...does
that have any implications for identifying one or the other?
5. We KNOW that Jr. was illiterate, we DON'T know that about Sr. A literate
guy
would NOT have signed a document with "his mark"....anything there?

Well, it wasn't this easy but the first pop out of the box just about nails
numbers 1 and 2 above. And I think it nails it Bob Peavy's way.

A)
Screven County, Georgia
Returns on Estates, Book A (1821-1833) GDAH 110/4
p. 66,67, Division of the estate of John S. Maner

Georgia, Screven County, Agreeable to an order of the honorable the inferior
court of said county to us directed we who are named are hereunto annexed,
met at the plantation of William T. Barnes and proceeded to divide the estate
of John Maner, Sr.
(dced.) agreeable to the above named order or writ in manner following this
8th day of January, 1822, to wit: distributions arranged into lots and
drawings as follows:
# 1 Drawn by Margaret Mercer....a negro man named Isaac, valued @ $500,
one
old one, Abraham D.
# 2 Drawn by John H. Maner.....a negro man named Plen, valued @500
# 3 Drawn by John Maner, Jr.....a negro woman named Grace valued at $50
# 4 Drawn by Silas Maner....a negro woman named Aggy, value: ?
# 5 Drawn by Elizabeth Maner...a negro girl named Clarissa
# 6 Drawn by Meredith Poythress....cash $300, an exact share.
# 7 Drawn by Mary Maner.....cash $300.

Signed: William Green, J. P., Thomas Green, and Thomas H. Burns
Recorded this 30th day of December 1823, Seaborn Goodall, C.C.O.S.C.

Conclusion: SOMEBODY named Meredith Poythress is having children by Hester
Wilder Mock in the years 1822 to 1828. That person certainly is NOT LIKELY
to be a guy participating in the distribution of the estate of John S. Maner
in 1822.....especially a Meredith Poythress, Jr. who is already the husband
of Susan R. Maner, daughter of the deceased. In accordance with the law of
the time, Meredith Jr. is participating "in right of" his wife Susan which
was his right and also his responsibility. There is just no way that
Meredith, SR. was participating in right of HIS wife Susan R. Maner.

B)

In the 1840 Screven census, ONLY Meredith JUNIOR is there in that 34th
Militia District and the ages match right up with oldest child Mary b.
1829-30 (aged 10) all the way through to youngest child Ruthy b. 1840 (aged
1). There is the white female aged 40-50 which would be wife Susan Maner
Poythress at age 40. The white male
aged 40-50 is Meredith Jr. by elimination because it sure can't be Meredith,
Sr.
who would be closer to 80 having been born in Virginia about 1760.

It is conceivable that Meredith Sr. and wife Hester Wilder Mock Poythress are
still alive and just moved but I don't consider it likely. Age 80 was pretty
rare. And I wouldn't consider it germane if they WERE alive and HAD moved
out of Screven County.


What remain are an "age" question and a "sociology" question to be
rationalized, Bud, and they are primarily the ones you put on your check
list.

First would be that Meredith, Sr. (b. 1760-65) would be too old to marry the
b. 1793 and 24 year old widow Hester Wilder Mock and be siring a houseful of
children.
Well, one MIGHT construct the age of Meredith, Sr. as, say, 16 when he
married
14 July 1781. That would make him only 52 at the time of the marriage which
was likely 1816-17 and he would be 62 at the conception of the last child
Isaac b. 1828.
Well, to be sure, that's a stretch but not TOO much of one.

Second would be the issue of "morality" for Meredith, Sr. (aged 46) to marry
a somewhat, ah, shall we say, "fecund" widow of 24 with one legitimate child
and one
illegitimate child. Contrary to objections being directed at Meredith, Sr.,
I would see any "moral" stones coming Hester's way. Meredith Sr. could
easily be rescuing her....in some sense of the times and HE wouldn't likely
see it as a bad deal.

As for the age difference for Meredith Jr. and Susan R. Maner and the time of
their children vs. the time of their marriage, it is slightly unusual. I
think we KNOW she had to be married to Jr. in 1822 for Meredith, Jr. to
participate "in her right" in the estate of her father John S. Maner. And if
she had her first child about 1829 that might be unusual but I don't find it
to difficult to accept given that she and her subsequent children fit
precisely with all the other known data.

So.....Bud....it's third and long so I'll punt. You will have some further
enlightenment I'm sure. And if you agree with me that Bob Peavy is right,
that just shoves you back one generation and if it has to be one of us, its
better that its the old coot instead of a young guy like me. 🙂 So......fire
away.

Thanks,

Maynard		04/16/2000 11:52:26
Re: Sarah PoythressMarsha, you are most welcome. I am equating your German Redman with "Mac
G. D. Redman" b. about 1828 in Charlotte Co., Va., son of Collier and Ann
Redman, marrying Sarah in Mecklenburg, 24 Jan 1856. Sarah's age and the
notation (initials only, as I recall) of her parents from the marriage
record tie back to Sarah Poythress the daughter of Edward and Mahala.
Please do share more about your research with us on the list. -lpb

On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:28:48 -0500 "Raymond, Marsha"
writes:
>Thanks for your quick response. Are you sure the Sarah A.V.
>Poythress,
>daughter of Edward is the one who married German B. Redman? German's
>name
>wasn't mentioned in your e-mail and I was just double checking!
>Thanks Lyn!
>
>Marsha

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Delphy WilkinsonOn 4/11 Nancy Simmons (address above) wrote the net:

"Does anyone have any information concerning Francis Poythress whose will was
dated 1796? My Wilkinson family seems to think that he married a second time
to Delphy Wilkinson (his first wife was Mary Peterson). His will is
witnessed by Reubin Wilkinson (Delphy's son). In her will it was hard to
tell how she spelled last name but it looked like she spelled it as Portis.
Would like to hear if anyone has information on this. Thanks, Nancy W.
Simmons"

I am punting this one to the group to ask for help. I know I have that
Delphy Wilkinson name around in my mountain of papers but I have been through
once and can't find a thing. Delphy was at one time a subject of
conversation on this wire.

Here is the will in question as a reference point:

Will of Francis Poythress 12-10-1796
In the name of god amen I Francis Poythress ?---- Health of m ----- and of a
sound disposing mind but calling to mind the mortality of my body do make and
ordain this my last will and testament in manner and form following in premis
I give devise and bequeath unto my loving wife all my estate of every kind
that I do posess reserving unto my daughter Mary Peterson Randolph which I
give five shillings which said sum I give unto my daughter to her and her
heirs forever.
Item: whereas there was a marriage contract between my wife and myself and
whereas the true intent and meaning of the said writing was that my said wife
was to enjoy and have the full and free disposal of all the estate of every
kind that came by her without the let or hindrance of me and my heirs. Now if
there should be any deficiencies in the said writing so as to intitle my
heirs to any of the property. The ? ------- y wife, my will and desires and I
do hereby revoke all such claim and desire that my wife and her heirs should
enjoy all the estate that came by her without the ?--- ? ------- ?--- Or
molestation of my heirs in witness wherso I have hence unto set my hand and
seal this 10th day of December, Anno Domnini 1796.
Francis Poythress (seal)
Signed sealed published and
Declared in presence of:
Reubin Wilkinson
Robert Reese

Nancy....one of the places where I'm confused is that Mary Peterson Randolph
name. I'm not at all sure that this father Francis had married a Mary
Peterson....after all, technically the daughter's name should then (although
not "required") be Mary Poythress Randolph.

The name Peterson is a candidate to be the unknown surname of "the immigrant"
Francis Poythress' wife Mary _________. It would fit cozy to say that we're
looking at Francis Jr. in the will naming a daughter after the child's
grandmother "Mary Peterson" EXCEPT we're 160 years downstream of the
immigrant who married Mary ________ so I would not be inclined to make that
connection. Other than being seen as a candidate for the maiden name of
Francis Poythress (1), I have not seen the name Peterson appear ANYWHERE
other than in this will. So, I guess the Peterson could have been picked up
anywhere along the 160 year time line.

Anyway, that point only serves to confuse the issue of whether Delphy
Wilkinson was the second wife of this particular Francis Poythress (there are
Francis Poythresses all over that first 200 years...and are to this day). If
we are to "assign" this particular Francis Poythress a second wife in Delphy
Wilkinson then the will witness Reuben Wilkinson would most likely indicate
that it was indeed THIS particular Francis among the many Francis'es.

And by the way, Nancy, "Portis" has been shown to be a Poythress variant
although it doesn't show up all that often so that part of it shouldn't
disrupt your line of conjecture.

But that's not what we are looking for. What we (you) are looking for is
"was Delphy Wilkinson the second wife of this or any other Francis
Poythress"? The piece of paper I am looking for will say she is (or very,
very likely is).

I'm asking the rest of the group to take a look through their respective
piles of information since my search hasn't done any good. Give it a go
would you folks?
(and copy the board if you have anything for Nancy).

Many thanks,

Maynard		04/29/2000 10:45:03
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>> I don't usually take part in these email send-alongs but there is a great
>> deal of merit in this one. Please read. Thanks, Myra
>>
>> So that we might ALL know!
>>
>> Our Congress "persons" don't pay in to Social Security, and of
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>> "special retirement plan" that they voted for themselves many years ago.
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>with
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Delphy WilkersonNancy, I have thrashed through all my papers once again. I have found a
Dephy Wilkerson. I can prove 8 ways from Sunday that a Francis Poythress m.
a Mary Peterson and died 1796, leaving one son Francis who had served as a
sgt. in the First Virginia Light Dragoons and died unmarried at age twenty
four (which is likely why he is not named in the will at all). But I just
can't do anything with Delphy as a second spouse.

So, the stickler here is that many records say Mary Peterson was his wife and
his will says she was his daughter. Well, I'm sure not going to argue with a
photocopy of the will. Of course its entirely possible that Francis married
Mary Peterson AND his daughter is named Mary Peterson Poythess as a namesake
for his wife......but then why did he "just" refer to her as daughter Mary
Peterson in the will. Only thing I can figure is that maybe "Mary Peterson"
was just what she "went by" as a given name. After all two-name Southern
ladies are something of a tradition.

Half a dozen usually reputable records (none original) say Francis Poythress
"of Amelia" m. Mary Peterson, daughter of John and Martha Thweat. ("Marriage
of Some Virginia Residents 1607-1800" by Dorothy Wulfeck....and others).

"Virginia Probable Kinships from the Tax Rolls 1782-1820":
Francis Poythress
1782 D. C. Meanly
1793-95 Reuben Wilkinson....... well I'll take this one as a
inference but we
we need more than that.

Francis died in 1796. The questions are 1) did he remarry? and 2) did he
remarry
Delphy Wilkinson?

I have a family group sheet (undocumented and source unknown) but most of the
blanks are filled in). It places Delphy's death in Lincoln County, NC in May
1811.
The sheet covers Delphy, her husband George William Wilkinson and eight
children. Child # 1 is born 1761. Child # 6 says "abt 1840 and there are no
birth dates for children # 7 and # 8. Number 8 woulld have to be born at the
earliest by 1843 which gives Delphy a remarkable child bearing career of 82
years.

Typed on the group sheet is a notation for Delphy: "Her Will is under Portis.
Poythress is the name of her SECOND [?] husband. We have no maiden name for
her. She could have mar a Francis or Charles Poythress. Her will is dated
20 May 1811 and was probated Jul 1811." Given the ages looks to me like
Delphy doesn't stand any better chance of being Francis' wife # 1 than she
does wife # 2......at least for THIS Francis. This is not to say there
wasn't ANOTHER Francis.....there were certainly a supply of them about. But
regardless, if there is any credence to the Family Group sheet, I'd speculate
she'd have had a difficult time working another husband into her schedule.

I'd say the answers to the two questions are "no" and "no" and that the
family group sheet in question is junk genealogy.

Maynard		05/01/2000 11:50:20
CensusDoes anyone have complete copies of the census for the 1800's. I would love
to have copies of all census available for Greensville County. I'm making a
ton of headway on the Peters line from the Poythress group in Northampton but
now I'm trying to connect more Poythress. UGH

Thanks a zillion

And yes, I'm still kickin but only by the skin of my teeth. LOL

I've mostly been working on the Portuguese Settlement with Forrest Hazel.
OH...by the way....We think we've got a location on the Poythress Cemetary
that's in Bethany. I'm heading back down hopefully this weekend so I'll keep
ya'll posted for those that are interested.

Crystal :)~~		05/03/2000 3:40:28
Re: Lewis Y. PoythressHello, Pat. I'd be happy to contribute what I know. I should start by
clarifying that I am NOT a descendant of this Lewis Y. Poythress.
Maynard leans on me for Southside Virginia and I lean on him for Georgia.
🙂

Regarding Minerva Poythress, I have no knowledge and no guesses to offer.

I have a Lewis Y. Poythress, b. about 1820 in Mecklenburg Co., Va.,
married Mary C. Ferguson in Mecklenburg in 1846, living in Greensville
Co., Va. as of 1860 (reel 1349, page 600, line 38) with wife Mary and two
girls of unknown relation, Nancy and Elizabeth Chiles. (This Lewis Y.
Poythress is the son of Lewis Poythress, my third-great-grandfather.) My
best guess would be that the LYP of your query is this person with a
mis-stated age, should be 30, not 50. My next guess would be that this
is a son of Lewis Y. Poythress by a first marriage of which we have not
record. I understand that LYP is also in the 1850 Greensville census,
but I do not have the citation. To improve the guess, I would like to
compare the 1860 with the 1850 and 1870 census records. If you would
send me a transcript of the LYP household in the 1870 census, I would be
happy to comment on it.

Best regards,
Lyn Poythress Baird


On Mon, 1 May 2000 23:48:56 EDT VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
>Hi Pat, nice to hear from you......I'm going to copy your e-mail to
>Lyn
>Poythress Baird, a direct descendent of Lewis Y. Poythress who can no
>doubt
>spin this story off the top of his head for you; I'm likely to get it
>
>wrong....thanks for your interest.
>I'm sure you'll hear from Lyn but maybe not for a day or two....he
>doesn't
>check his e-mail daily.
>
>Best,
>
>Maynard Poythress
>
>In a message dated 5/1/00 11:16:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>rkautry@earthlink.net writes:
>
><< Subj: Re: Lewis Y. Poythress
> Date: 5/1/00 11:16:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: rkautry@earthlink.net (Pat Autry)
> Reply-to: >HREF="mailto:rkautry@earthlink.net">rkautry@earthlink.net
> To: VKRatliff@aol.com
>
> Can anyone tell me who the Lewis Y. Poythress,age 30, in the 1870
>Greenville
>County, VA census married?
> His birthdate & deathdate; marriage date and whom he married?
>
> And who is the Minerva Poythress shown in the 1870 Greenville County
>VA
>census, also age 30, mulatto? Same county but different twnshp then
>Lewis.
>Is the fact that she is
> labelled "mulatto" something to do with "Portuguese" references I 've
>seen
>on this list?
>
> Pat >>

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05/03/2000 6:04:09
Thirteen Commandments for AncestorsSent from Helene Pockrus, a former list member...

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For my Genealogist friends!

1) Thou shalt name your male children: James, John, Joseph,
Abel,
Richard, Thomas or William.
2) Thou shalt name your female children: Elizabeth, Mary,
Martha,
Maria, Sarah, Ida, Virginia or Mae.
3) Thou shalt leave NO trace of your female children.
4) Thou shalt, after naming your childen from the above lists,
ever
refer to them by those names again; instead, thou shalt call them
by strange nicknames as: Ike, Eli, Polly, Dolly, Sukey.
5) Thou shalt not use any middle names on ANY legal documents
or census reports; and whenever possible, use only initials on legal
documents.
6) Thou shalt learn to sign all documants illegibly so that your
surname
can be spelled, or misspelled in various ways: Tipper, Topper,
Hopper,
Tucker,Tapper.
7) Thou shalt, after no more than 3 generation, make sure that all
family
records are lost, misplaced, burned in a court house fire, lost at
sea or
buried so that NO future trace of them can be found.
8) Thou shalt propagate misleading legends, rumors and vague
innuendo regarding your place of origin.
a) You may have come from: England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales
...or Iran.
b) You may have American Indian Ancestory of the ____tribe.
c) You MAY have descended from one of three brothers that
came
over from __________.
9) Thou shalt leave no cemetery records, headstones or headstones
with legible names; nor will any of the dates thereon match those
in public records.
10) Thou shalt leave no family bible with records of birth,
marriage or
death.
11) Thou shalt ALWAYS flip thy name around. If born James
Albert,
thou must make the rest of thy records in the name of Albert, AJ,
JA, AL, Bert, Bart or Fred.
12) Thou must also flip thy parents names around when making
reference to them, although "Unknown" is an acceptable
alternative.
13) Thou shalt name all generations of children with the identical
first names, as will all of the brothers so that all cousins are
named the same.

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RE: Knock KnockLou PooleHello! Still here, just concentrating on other lines of research for
the moment. But still monitoring the traffic on Ye Ole Poythress
List.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com [mailto:VKRatliff@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 11:04 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
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Hey, Lou, you still with us? Steve Wall said he couldn't raise you
and the
board hasn't heard from you in a while.

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where's the digest?I thought I was receiving Poythress in digest form. Where'd it go? I have to
wonder if I'm missing info since I'm reluctant to open mail if I don't
recognize the sender's address. I was off line for a change of residence. Did
I leave the digest at the old house? Am I suffering from Rip Van Winkle
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recommend the "insurance". Norton won 3 places in the "top 10" of software
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Best,

MP		05/04/2000 5:27:25
CSA Georgia 47th InfantryThe below was John M. Poythress' unit along with many, many other Screven
County Georgians. Hope it will be interesting. Hope also that some of you
Screven Countians can pass along more history of the unit.
Best, John Maynard Poythress

>>>>
Subj: Battle-scarred flag goes home to Georgia
Date: 5/7/00 5:20:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: HPAnewswire@phantacom.net (HPA NewsWire)
To: HPAnewswire@phantacom.net (HPA Members List)

(This information is provided by HPA for educational purposes.)

May 6, 2000

Battle-scarred flag goes home to Georgia

The Associated Press

EHRHARDT -- The 135-year-old flag was handled just as carefully as it had
been when the 47th Georgia Infantry was defeated in Rivers Bridge Confederate
Memorial Association celebration.

When Gen. William T. Sherman's Union troops took Rivers Bridge and the
Confederates who survived the battle surrendered a few months later, Capt.
Benjamin S. Williams hid the colors between his saddle blankets and took it
to his South Carolina home.

On Friday, the flag was returned to its home state in a special ceremony by
the Rivers Bridge Confederate Memorial Association. Nearly 300 Confederate
descendants cheered and cried as speakers, including Lt. Gov. Bob Peeler,
talked of honor, heritage, courage, valor and sacrifice.

Created by Esther Cohen Williams, wife of Col. Gilbert William Martin
Williams of the 47th Georgia, the battle flag that flew at Rivers Bridge in
February 1865 was made from materials Mrs. Williams had on hand -- two red
shawls, some white silk, pieces of furniture upholstery and fringe from her
curtains.

In 1938, the family of Benjamin Williams presented the 47th Georgia flag to
the Rivers Bridge Memorial Association, and it remained at the state park
until it was stolen in the 1980s. The flag was recovered about a year later
and given to the State Department of Parks, Recreation and Tourism in
Columbia.

In exchange for the original, the Rivers Bridge association received a
replica made by Mary Adelle O'Grady, the great-great-granddaughter of the
woman who made the original flag.

"My heart is very full today," O'Grady said, recalling the first time she saw
the flag during a visit to Columbia in 1997. "I have to tell you, it's still
an emotional experience for me when I see the battle scars, when I see the
stitches, when I think about all the men that served under that relic."

Copyright 2000 The State		05/07/2000 11:33:42
Re: Open or notIn a message dated 5/8/2000 5:27:48 PM Atlantic Daylight Time,
grannie_d@msn.com writes:

<< ubj: Open or not
Date: 5/8/2000 5:27:48 PM Atlantic Daylight Time
From: grannie_d@msn.com (Doris)
To: BPoythress@aol.com (LeRoof Poythress)

Hey Cuz,
All this flap over that virus has me in a flap. Do I open or not. The latest
thing was look out for three letters. Now whether or not they meant alone or
just contained in the heading I don't know. It's gotten to the point that I
don't know if I should open an e-mail or not especially since I am a msn
customer. I know you wouldn't send one, but would anything jump on one of my
outbound e-mails? I will try to be real careful on my fw'd stuff not that I
do much anyway.
My main goal is to find my elusive parents of Nathaniel Harper Poythress.
Info on Dad's side is coming in but nothing on the Poythress. I will be
going to a Bragg/Dickey reunion this coming weekend and a Burke one on the
2nd of July. Hope you have or had a good reunion near Sav. Was that the one
that I went to several years back where thr P. from Millen went. My Aunt
Jennie said that Gordon P. was a cousin of my Dad's but I don't know. Mabel
said not but with Gordon gone, who knows.
Anyway, I hope all goes well with you and Merle. My husband is talking about
going back to work as all of his buddies still work.
How could I send a query on the Poythress Rootsweb? They kind of all seem to
be one group of Poythress' and I don't know how to ask or put forth a query.
I have talked to you, John and Barbara. I have not been able to find the
query line on Rootsweb.
My recent illness mades me realize that my mortal time is running out and
there are unanswered questions that I would like an answer to. I'll just
wrap up that wish and put it under the Christmas Tree as my birthday has
gone past.
Take care, Bud, and thanks for being a great "cuz".
Doris >>


Dear Cuz:

Those virus warning I'm sure refer to the "Subject" which this last one
listing as "ILOVEYOU" as the subject of the message. The thing to be really
careful about is any message from someone you do NOT know. I've never
encountered a vitus as yet so I can tell you what the actual effects might
be. But should you get a message that you question, simply DO NOT OPEN, but
you might simply sent the address you receive it form a message asking that
they identify themself and get an acceptable response before you open the
earlier message. But I'd just ignor the first message and delete it without
opening it.

Yes, we had a very nice reunion in Savannah this past Saturday. No, this was
the Chatham/Effingham Poythress Group - mainly my direct (1st cousins and the
like). The one I recall you mentioned going to was at Blue Springs near
Newington, GA and that one was the Screven County Poythresses. Those are
mainly Maynard Poythress' crowd who hold their reunion the 3rd Sunday in
August at the McBride Methodist Church. At the present time I am planning to
try to make that one too in August.

I do hope something turns up on Nathaniel Harper Poythress for I know it is
frustration to keep drawing blanks, as we are now ourselves. But maybe, just
maybe one of these days something will turn up. We just have to keep hoping.

Gordon Poythress was the son of Lee Alexander Poythress, my great uncle (my
grandfather's youngest brother). So if you are kin to Gordon I believe it
would have to have been on his mother's side who I know nothing about,
however, I believe his mother was the widow Lucy Lively Daley who Uncle Lee
married after his first wife "Sarah" died in 1909 apparently in child-birth.
Gordon was born in 1912 so Sarah could not have been his mother. They both
(all) are buried in Oak Hill Baptist Church Cemetery near Millen.

Gordon's family, Mable, Jackie and her family and sister Feris - none showed
at the Savannah reunion. I'm probably at fault here however I simply did not
notify Jackie as I usually do. I get got so wrapped up in my stuff and
forgot to write Jackie. However, I did call her late Friday night, but that
was too late for them to make it I guess but she did say that they would try.
But guess she could get the crowd moving with such a late notice.

The Poythress research group is:

>>> POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com <<<

and you can just send a general message directed to no one in particular just
asking if anyone can assist in anyway to help identify N.H.P. Your message
will be automatically sent to entire membership.

If you want your name to be added to the group's mailing list and simply
monitor any and all messages you should direct your request to our Webmaster
- Al Tim, who is a college professor at the Univ. of Minnesota and is a
Poitiers descendant. Al's e-mail address is:

>>> timsx001@maroon.tc.umn.edu <<<

Should you have in difficulty in contacting either of these please let me
know and I'll see if I can assist you in anyway.

Quit this talk about your time running out! -- You got a long way to go
before you get to your ropes end. I'm the one Maenad keeps reminding me that
"I'm older than dirt!" -- so you stop that sort of stuff.

Take care and let the old man go back to work if that is what he wants to do.
Had he already retired or was he forced to retired as our daughter-in-law
with IBM was forced to do?

Take care, and hang in there...... LOL,..... Cuz Bud		05/08/2000 4:36:53
Nathaniel Harper PoythressDorisI hope that I have finally posted a query to the P-L on Rootsweb after
monitoring it for sometime. My ggrandfather was Nathaniel "Harper" Poythress
born 07June1861 where? (lived in Screven Co., GA) died 06June1908 where -
Jenkins County, GA maybe. He married, 08July1880, Rachel Flake in Oliver,
Screven, GA. N.H. has been my brickwall and to have hit this wall at this
stage is discouraging. I know that some of you have tried to help and I
appreciate it but maybe one of the other list members just might have the
answer. I would certainly appreciate any info as to the parentage of this
elusive ancestor. You are such a great group that it would be a privilege to
share a kinship.
N.H. and Rachel's children were Lessie D.; William David; Effie Gertrude;
James; Sidney; Dessie; Esther and Arthur.
William David married Sallie Canady; Effie married Sidney Burke; Esther
married Tellfair Larsen Burke brother of Sidney. They all lived in GA.
Thank you,
Doris Burke Odom		05/08/2000 6:58:56
FW: John Poythress, 1684, WIFE?Lou PooleOops, intended sending this to list for others to comment, contradict,
etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lou Poole [mailto:lpoole@dallas.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 8:06 PM
To: Kenneth Larsen
Subject: RE: John Poythress, 1684, WIFE?


Ah, finally, a question that gets back into some territory I have a
little knowledge on..

Kenneth, I believe there is, and will continue to be, some controversy
about alleged John Poythress - Mary Batt marriage, but won't get into
that here since that doesn't seem to be central to your question.

The John Poythress who married Christian Peebles left a will in 1712,
a full and complete transcript of which can be found in "The Southside
Virginian, Vol. IX, No. 4, Oct-Dec 1991, pp. 154-155. In the will he
names his wife Christian, and a daughter by the same name, and a son
David: this provides the evidence that this John was married to
Christian Peebles, daughter of David Peebles.

He also had a son named John. It was this John, Jr., who supposedly
married Mary Batt. Boddie cites as evidence of this relationship that
it was John, Jr., who ended up owning land that had belonged to his
grandfather, David Peebles (it checks to my satisfaction).

AND he had a daughter, Elizabeth, named in the will, who was supposed
to have married 1) John Fitzgerald, and 2) Thomas Eppes. Boddie
infers that the John Poythress, Sr. -> Elizabeth Poythress -> John
Fitzgerald relationship by the inference one obtains from the fact
that Elizabeth's brothers, Robert and William, were the executors of
the will of John Fitzgerald.

Yes, there is, and will continue to be, much confusion on the very
subject you have raised. But John Poythress, will 1712, did have wife
named Christian, and sons John, Robert and William (among others), and
did have daughters Elizabeth and Christian. John Jr. (m. Mary Batt),
did end up owning land that had originally belonged to David Peebles.
And Robert and William, sons of John, Sr., were executors of John
Fitzgerald's will. You'll have to decide for yourself whether the
pieces fit well enough to draw conclusions. There are precious few
facts that can be applied to the question.

Anyone have a better answer?

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Larsen [mailto:larsen@zephyrnet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 6:52 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: John Poythress, 1684, WIFE?


There is much confusion concerning the wife of the John
Poythress born about 1684, whether he was Junior,
Senior, and what his wife's name was. He was the father
of Elizabeth Poythress who married John Fitzgerald.
The LDS site says, I believe, John's was Mary
Batte and R.B. Batte says Christian Peebles.
I think it is Peebles and NOT Mary Batte. Can
anyone give me a definitive answer?


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John Poythress, 1684, WIFE?Kenneth LarsenThere is much confusion concerning the wife of the John
Poythress born about 1684, whether he was Junior,
Senior, and what his wife's name was. He was the father
of Elizabeth Poythress who married John Fitzgerald.
The LDS site says, I believe, John's was Mary
Batte and R.B. Batte says Christian Peebles.
I think it is Peebles and NOT Mary Batte. Can
anyone give me a definitive answer?		05/09/2000 10:51:52
Re: Nathaniel Harper PoythressDoris, I just sent you a blank e-mail by mistake. Sorry, and please ignore
it. This is the "real" one.

Nathaniel Harper Poythress is a mystery man for me too.....and I think I have
just figured out why. First, I'm going to guess he slipped over the Screven
county line into Effingham County and I've never done much on those folks
whom I suspect to be yours and Bud's and maybe even Debbie Freeman's. And if
Bud is still claiming descent from John White Poythress, son of Meredith
Poythress, Sr.(?) and widow Hester Wilder Mock, I'd almost imagine that's
where you pick up the line even further back in tme. (and also, I seem to
remember Bud and I agreeing at one time that it was likely John White P. was
the orginator of those Effingham folks....that right, Bud, or am I just
dreaming this one up.)

Second, I don't know why I never figured this out but I didn't realize you
were looking at a "period" as late as 1870-1900, etc. Maybe you can find one
of those sites that has censuses and nail N. H. in Effingham County off the
census.....and his daddy too. I think Barb Poythress Neal has a couple of
those addresses of censuses and can send them to you. She is off on a trek
to the Southeast now and I don't know if she is checking her e-mail (and its
NOT likely she would have that sort of thing with her) but maybe someone else
on the wire knows those census addresses.

Where are you anyway?......is it practicable for you to get to the Georgia
Archives in Atlanta? If you don't find the Effingham census on line then
the GDAH is where you are likely to find the census with N. H. in it......
BETCHA!

Good luck,

Maynard		05/09/2000 11:36:35
Bolling Batte card codehoracep8LYN

I understand you have broking the code for the Bolling Batte cards. It
would be so kind of to if you would pose it on the list. I know it would
greatly Appreciated for my self and others on the list.

Horace Poythress




05/10/2000 4:32:49
Re: John Poythress, 1684, WIFE?Kenneth LarsenThanks Lou,
This makes sense, and also does not stretch the
imagination too much. The LDS site has John
Fitzgerald marrying Elizabeth the daughter of John
Poythress and Mary Batte. A nice relationship with
lots of exotic forebears going back to Kings and Queens
of Europe. With the John Poythress who married
Christian Peebles the clan goes a little way back to
Scotland, and ends. But I'd rather
have truth than fantasy.
Lou, who is Boddie?
This then beggars several more questions. Does anyone
have a copy of John Fitzgerald's will that I may have a
copy of; and, in John Poythress's will
(He who married the unknown Mary (RBB Card 88-89 of 205
Poythress)) there is stated in Battte's notes that a
sum of money was paid to John Fitzgerald. Does anyone
know why?		05/10/2000 12:05:00
N. H. PoythressDoris, I don't how Al Chasserea got dialed into this conversation (or even if
he wants to stay) but I have saved a lot of his posts in the past because he
does knuckles down first rate genealogy and I guess I'm in his fan club even
if he doesn't know me from Adam. So if he's interested my guess is he would
bring something constructive to the party and is MOST welcome.

Anyway....to your point, or points....

First, I'm gonna be a tough sell on N. H. Poythress being a son of John Maner
Poythress and Rhoda Gross Poythress. (I won't rule out the technical
possibilty but in my judgment all the logic says "no").


I'll suggest the following chart. (and I'll try to add in some of missing
dates while I'm at it...where I can ) One needs to have Screven '60 and '70
and '80 censuses at hand. It doesn't exactly jump off the page at you but
its there if you noodle it long enough.

John Maner Poythress (26 Jul 1832- 1 Oct 1866) m. (on 5 Apr 1854) Rhoda E.
Gross (28 Mch 1828-5 May 1884). They are buried side by side in that
Scott-Poythress et al. cemetery we uncovered in 1996. JMP is the son of
Meredith Poythress, Jr. and Susan R. Maner (daughter of John S. Maner).

They had the following children:

1) Alice Helen Poythress b. 11 May 1855, d. 25 Sep 1904. Buried in McBride
Meth.
Church.

m. Peter A. Reddick (27 Oct 1853-6 Jan 1928). Reddick was son of of
John Ivey
Reddick and Sara Oglesby. Peter A. Reddick is buried in Friendship
Bapt.
Ch Cem.

They had 5 children: Lennie Laura Reddick
Rhoda Edith Reddick
Albert Henry Reddick
Henry Talmadge Reddick
Victoria Ann Lee Reddick

2) Edna Poythress b. 1860 (I have it as Eda but I likely misread it and your
"Edna"
makes more sense). Her only appearance (that I have found) is as a 10
year old
female in the 1870 census. She was either missed in the 1860 census or
born
after the enumerator passed by that household # 519. I lose her on the
other end
(1880 census) as only Rhoda Gross Poythress living with son H. C. are
listed.
Since Edna would have been 20 at the 1880 census, logic would say she had
married and took another name and moved out and so I just lost her trail.

3) John Willie Poythress (John Maner Poythress had a brother named Daniel
Willie
Poythress). John Willie b. 21 Mar 1865 d. 4 May 1877 (aged 12) and is
also
buried in that Scott-Poythress et al. cemetery. And it was TECHNICALLY
"Willie" and not a nickname for William.....it helps to keep those
Williams apart
when its at all possible, there is just a ton of them.

4) Horace Cullen Poythress b. 23 Jan 1867 d. 6 June 1918; buried in McBride
Meth.
Ch. Cemetery.

m. 1 Mary E. Mercer (daughter of Edna Mercer) on 30 Jan 1890. Mary E.
Mercer
b. 10 Mar 1846 d. 16 Dec 1899. Buried in Gross Family Cemetery
approx.
1 1/2 mi. due north of McBride Meth. Ch.

m. 2 Flossie O. (Odetta?) Wells 3 Oct 1900. Flossie O. Wells b. 8 Oct
1878
d. 7 Nov. 1914. She is buried in McBride Meth. Ch. Cem. beside
husband
Horace Cullen Poythress. Flossie Wells and Horace Cullen
Poythress are
my grandparents.

Now we have for consideration:

5) N. H. ? C. Poythress b. Bet. 1867-1868 in Georgia.

What's suspicious about # 5:

a) John Maner Poythress (the presumed father) died 1 Oct 1866. N. H. was
b.1867-
68. Since son Horace Cullen was b. 23 Jan 1867 we're getting a little
crowded
for time in here.

b) N. H. would be, say 2 or 3 years old and BE listed in the 1870 census with
his
"mother" Rhoda Gross and brother Horace Cullen aged 12.....or, he could
have
been sent to live with other family but he would have kept his surname
and been
findable. If a conjecture of "sent to live with others" pans out, (and
I don't think
it will) I'd guess the best candidate would be Jenkins County to the
west because
I believe N.H. himself may be buried in Oak Hill Bapt. Ch. Cem. in
Millen......as
in:

c) RACHEL F. POYTHRESS
BORN MAY 1860
DIED OCT. 8, 1938

IN MEMORY OF
MY HUS. N. H.
POYTHRESS
JUNE 7, 1861
JAN. 6, 1908
There will be
no sorrow there
[Unable to display image]

Doris, I have scanned the two snapshots together but they are from 2
different pictures. They aren't that clear because of the scan, the actual
pictures are quite clear. And the "text" is as stated above.

Don't assume the two stones are in the same proxmity as the scan shows them
to be. They are two different shots. And to make matters worse, I don't
remember if the two stones even WERE side by side. But I do know they were
consecutive shots on my roll of negative and that makes it likely. When I do
camera stuff I always get them developed in "doubles" so I have extra copies.
I'll be happy to mail you these two photos if you would like to have them
and just send me a snail mail address.

d) I wouldn't make much of this but N. H. is buried in a Baptist cemetery
and John
Maner's crowd were consistently Methodist. There could be hundred
reasons
why that is immaterial......maybe possible wife Rachel "converted" him
and got
him "deep dipped" in Buck Creek or something 🙂


Doris, I'm as likely as any of us to spin off into orbit when my mind tries
to wrap itself around all this stuff. So, I will be happy for corrections,
additions, deletions, whatever. I just don''t think N. H. belongs on this
family group sheet......but I am
accustomed to being proved wrong often and won''t get my feelings hurt if you
have a better scenario.

Best,

Maynard

(John M. Poythress)		05/11/2000 11:27:57
Bolling Batte Chart and CardsOn Wed, 10 May 2000 10:32:49 -0700 "horacep8" writes:
LYN, I understand you have broking the code for the Bolling Batte cards.
It
would be so kind of to if you would pose it on the list. I know it would
greatly Appreciated for my self and others on the list.

Horace Poythress

-------------
Horace, the following is an explanation I published to the list back in
1997 when I first did the decoding work. Mr. Batte coded both his CHART
A and his CARDS, but using DIFFERENT CODES. On the CHART A he uses a
NUMERIC coding scheme. On the CARDS he uses an ALPHABETICAL coding
scheme. The two schemes correspond to one another with A=1, B=2, C=3 and
so forth. Both the codes are a shorthand way to identify children by
birth order, as explained below. Since writing this originally I have
learned a little from our list member Craig Scott about family codes and
I understand Mr. Batte's scheme could be considered a variant of the
"Henry system".

I created a table which combines all the information in the CARDS with
all the information in the CHART A. Years ago Al Timms graciously
published this table on his Poythress web site. Even though Al is no
longer active on the list and does not maintain the site, he continues to
make the site available, which is much appreciated. The direct URL to
the table is . Regrettably the
table is still mislabeled "Chart A" which misleads one to overlook that
it goes beyond Chart A to comprehend all the card information and all the
Chart A information. You will find all the following information also on
the web site. Since this is somewhat involved, more explanation may be
needed. Just let me know. -lpb

=======================
By my count there are 100 Poythress-born persons in Mr. Batte's world.
Of these 100, 71 persons are both referenced in the cards and located on
Chart A; 28 persons are only in the cards; one person appears to be only
on the chart.

On the chart Mr. Batte uses a relational scheme of the form "nnn nnn "
where n is a numeral. For example, the code for Susanna Peachy Poythress
is "211 13", indicating the third child of the first child of the first
child of the first child of the second child of the immigrant, Captain
Francis Poythress. On the cards Mr. Batte uses a scheme of the form
"(@-n) @@@ @@@ " where @ is a letter, n is a number and (@-n) is the
code of the immigrant. For example, "(P-1)" is Captain Francis Poythress
and "(P-1) BFA" is Thomas Poythress of Martin Brandon, first child of the
sixth child of the second child of Captain Poythress. Using this scheme
one can recognize that "BF" is the parent of "BFA" and "BFA A" is the
child of "BFA". Sometimes birth order is followed, sometimes order of
citation in a will or some other scheme is followed (apparently in cases
where birth order is not known). It should be noted that typically, BUT
NOT ALWAYS, the ORDER and the PLACEMENT of the numeric codes and the
alpha codes agree. Agnes Poythress exemplifies disagreement of order
("BHA A" = "281 8"); Elizabeth Poythress exemplifies disagreement of
placement ("BFA A" = 211 11"). Some further notes follow:

1) In the LVA card numbering scheme, the card number is actually the
number of the SIDE of the card. So there are 205 total sides of cards.
A given person occupies between one and four sides of cards. The card
number in the spreadsheet is the FIRST side on which the person is found.
One should look at this side and sides following sequentially to review
all possible notations about the person.

2) Some persons cited in the cards do not each have a card of their own,
as for example Tabitha Poythress ("285" or "BHX").

3) For persons either not having a card of their own or having a card but
no relational code, I fabricated a code. For example, Elizabeth
Poythress, known to be daughter of "(P-1) BAA A" is coded "(P-1) BAA AX".
Where the relationship to the immigrant cannot be determined from the
cards, the earliest in the line gets a "pseudo-immigrant" designation.
For example, Francis "of Amelia", parent not stated, is coded "(P-1d)"
and his daughter Mary Peterson Poythress is coded "(P-1d) Y".

4) Every effort has been made to keep the contents of the spreadsheet
purely that of the cards. Information from other sources, EVEN
INFORMATION ON THE CHART BUT NOT ON THE CARDS (notably dates), has been
excluded intentionally.

5) Dates are early and late dates found on the cards, sometimes BUT NOT
ALWAYS birth and death dates. The cards have some citations of "before"
and "after" which have not been carried to the spreadsheet. Mr. Batte
seems to use "PT" (prior to?) for "before" and ST (subsequent to?) for
"after".
====================

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Virginia Historical SocietyDuhhh.....I guess feeling cocky about the pretty-good chance that I have this
source about pumped out after being there 2 days.....it just never occurred
to me to go to their webpage. Just about any search engine will turn it up
#1 if you type in the name.

Good news its a great page about the logistics of using the library. Bad
news is that
the so-called on line catalog first implies that they got the "real stuff"
digitalized on line and that's just not so. Plus, a Poythress search gets
only 22 documents (admittedly some multipage). However, when I think about
coming out of that place with 300 or 400 copies, there are a ton of "single"
documents that aren't on the "on-line catalog"....and I guess shouldn't be
after I think about it.

Anyway, thought some of you might want to visit the page.

Maynard		05/20/2000 6:29:05
Re: [LACADDO] Subj: {not a subscriber} Poythress, James A.James SmithJohn P. POYTHRESS, b. 1833, Gadsden County, FL, joined Conf. Army 14 Mar
1862 in Caddo Parish, LA, Capt. Wm. Robinson's Company A, 25th Regiment,
State of LA. Was wounded ca. 12/31/1862 at Stone's River, Murfreesboro,
TN, captured, swapped, and was discharged 20 Aug. 1863. John P.
returned to Gadsden Co., FL and married Mary Ann DOLAN.

1860 Caddo Parish, LA Census #408-413 lists:
James A. Poythress 38 M Farmer $1000 $500 Georgia
(Md. 1851 ** This is something the census taker did that wasn't
required; he put the year of their marriage in the 11th column)
Martha A. 30 F Virginia
Emma J. 8 F LA
Mary V. (or E.) 6 F LA
Wm. H. 4 M LA
John M. Poythress 26 M Carpenter Florida

I do not know anything further about James A. POYTHRESS (believed to be
brother of John P.). My Grandmother knew of no other POYTHRESS named
relatives in this area of the country. Information has been furnished
to me last year that James and John both entered the Confederate Army in
Caddo Parish about the same time. (Must locate that information.)

1870 Gadsden Co., FL Census:
#1287-1279 -- POYTRESS, John P. 34? M W Farmer $150 $150
Florida
Mary A. 24 F W Keeping House Florida
James M. 3?(could be 2) M W
John P. Jr. 1 M W Florida

"Florida Militia Muster Rolls, Seminole Indian Wars" noted the
following:
Poythress, James Pvt.
Porthryss, James Pvt.
Portress, William Pvt.
Poythress William T. 1st Lt.
Poythress, Wm. T. 1st Lt.
Poythress, Wm. T. Sgt.
Poythrys, Wm. 2nd Lt.
Porthrys, Wm. 2nd Lt.
Porthress, Wm. T. 2nd Lt.
My guess would be that the above James and William were brothers who
came to Florida in the mid-1820s.


Family of John P. POYTHRESS and Mary Ann DOLAN, m. 04 Apr 1866:
James M. ------------ b. 31 Dec 1866 ("M" = "Martin")
John P. ------------ b. 08 Nov 1868
Charles H. ---------- b. 26 Feb 1871
Sam A. -------------- b. 01 Jan 1873
Jessie Ader --------- b. 17 Nov 1874 (female)
Augustus A. --------- b. 07 Sep 1876
William W. ---------- b. 06 Feb 1879
Mary Elizabeth ------ b. 05 Jul 1881
Catherine ----------- b. 08 Nov 1883
Robert C. ----------- b. 26 Feb 1886
Ellen Gladys -------- b. 29 Jul 1889 (my Grandmother)
Hope this further information will assist in someone helping me nail
these guys!!

Written in the Family Record Book (did not use a Bible for writing this
pertinent information) is the following:

Reciepts for rhuermatism
1 quart good Whiskey
Black Cohast 2 oz.
Gum Guiacum 1 do
Pulverised Swlphas 4 do
1 tablespoon ful 3 times per day
before each meal Shake well
before taking

This is typed as exact as possible! Anyone want to give it a try??!!!

Thanks to everyone out there with this research.
Linda Clark Smith
Gadsden County, Florida




GVRICHARDS@aol.com wrote:
>
> Subj: {not a subscriber} Poythress, James A.
> Date: 5/22/00 2:01:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time
> From: VKRatliff@aol.com
> To: LACADDO-L@rootsweb.com
>
> I have this individual from 1860 Caddo Parish census, page 059, ID#LA39096087.
>
> If anyone has this census, would you please tell me his age at the time of
> this census and any other details of this (or any other) census?
>
> And if just by chance you have any other links to him I would be most
> appreciative for that too. It is likely James a Poythress didn't leave much
> of a trail. Supposedly moved to Caddo from Gadsden County, FL, joined Army
> of Tennessee in early 60's, captured at Battle of Stones River (TN),
> exchanged, and he then supposedly returned to Gadsden County, FL.
>
> Thank you very much,
>
> John M. Poythress
> (vkratliff@aol.com)		05/22/2000 4:25:27
Wandering JamesLinda.....I somehow wound up with a copy of your query on James A. Poythress
of
Caddo Parish.

You don't suppose it went like this do you? (or how DO you suppose it went?)

James P. Poythress moves from Screven County, GA to Gadsden County, FL about
1820's. We have him patenting land at the Tallahassee Land Office 1 June
1827. Although we know little about him and maybe even less about his
immediate next generation offspring, we think we have James P. (Sr.?) pretty
well on the right peg.

He has offspring....only one of which we know about is James A. Poythress who
shows on the 1860 census of Caddo Parish (Shreveport) LA. Enlists in CSA
army there, got into Army of Tennessee, was captured at Stone's River (TN),
exchanged and he returns to Gadsden County, FL to begin a family. The
problem I see with this James is you have him as James P. Poythress and Caddo
Parrish census has him as James A.

If he is fighting in War for Southern Independence, I make it a million to
one that its
THIS James A. Poythress rather than James P. Poythress (his father?). Or, if
he IS
a James P. its likely he is a "junior". (unfortunately the 1860 Caddo
Parrish census record that I have omits his age. I think I may be able to
drum that up on the Caddo Parish wire.

And one of them either went to Arkansas or moved there? Is this guy from
same family or is he unknown too?

Would you say that one or more offspring of James P. Poythress (Senior just
in case there is a Junior) started several (or "all") of those Poythress
lines in Gadsden County and that James P. (Sr.) was the "progenitor" of the
Gadsden County line?

If, as you say, "from there we have the rest of the story".......would it be
James P. is the "immigrant" to FL, James A. as son and your G-Grandfather?
Can you sketch this one out for us "as you make it to be" (even if only
partially complete and/or logical speculation).

In addition to being interested in James P.'s offspring, as you know I'm
looking for which family James P. Poythress came from in Burke/Screven
Counties, GA. If we can find that out and depending on which family it is,
we might be able to jump this family several generations back into the
Virginia origins. And its at least possible that some whit of information
may give us this link.

Thanks,

Maynard		05/22/2000 10:13:04
Cemetery Information URLDiana Diamondhttp://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gs&




05/26/2000 6:25:39
Poythress-Tanner Cemetery, Blackridge, VACharles NealLyn,

Congratulations to you & your Mom for the beautiful results showing all
your excellent work on researching the family members and getting the
well-worded marker placed at the cemetery. A job well done, and one that
many descendants will appreciate for generations to come.

Happy Memorial Day,
BPN



05/28/2000 8:33:52
Poythress-Tanner Cemetery, Blackridge, VAI'm pleased to announce the placement of a marker at the Poythress-Tanner
Cemetery at Blackridge, Virginia. This family cemetery contains the
graves of Thomas M. and Lucy Thomas Poythress and several of their
children and other family members. There are about 12 to 16 recognizable
graves, in two rows. Only one grave had an identifying marker before
this year, each of the rest being marked only with a fieldstone. The new
marker provides identification for nine of the persons whose remains rest
there. Along with the new marker, a boundary marker, engraved "P/T" has
been place at each of the four corners of the cemetery site.

The information on the marker reads as follows:

POYTHRESS - TANNER
*Thomas M. Poythress - ca 1822 - July 1891 - Father
*Lucy J. Thomas Poythress - ca 1825 - ca 1896 - Mother
*Benjamin J. Poythress - ca 1853 - 1853 - Son
*Bennett Poythress - ca 1874 - 1874 - Son
*William H. Tanner - March 1859 - ca 1911 - Son-in-Law
*Sallie Poythress Tanner - April 1860 - 11 December 1932 - Daughter
*Sadia Tanner Lynch - March 1890 - 14 February 1919 - Dau. of W. H. and
Sallie Tanner
*Infant Son of John and Sadia Tanner Lynch
*Thomas A. Tanner - September 1895 - 11 December 1917 - Nephew of W. H.
Tanner
*Marker Placed 2000 by Family

The cemetery is located a hundred feet or so northeast of the site of the
house where Thomas and Lucy lived. Thomas M. Poythress is the son of
Lewis Poythress (ca 1765 - 1847) and Rebecca B. Taylor (ca 1775 - 1845).
The property is likely the same as that which Lewis gave Thomas in 1845.
It is possible that the house (or the house site) was also that of Lewis
Poythress, and that Lewis and Rebecca are also buried in the cemetery.
However, there is no proof of this. The property is privately owned by a
second-great-grandson of Thomas and Lucy.

The placement of the marker and research of the information on it are a
private effort of my mother and me over several years, with the gracious
and enthusiastic cooperation of the property owner. We plan to look into
registering the cemetery site. Pictures of the marker and of the house
(no longer standing) are available by request. If interested, please
send me your email address, as it is not permissible to broadcast
attachments to the list.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Poythress - Tanner CemeterySarah PoythressLyn,

You and your mom did a beautiful job. The pictures are great. Thank you
for remembering me.

Tell your mom & dad hello for me. I am sure your dad had a big hand in
helping you & your mom. A big thank you to all of you.

Some day we will have to figure out the connection between your Tanners
and the ones John Lewis P. lived with (I think this was him) in
Granville Co., NC in 1850. If there is a connection?

Sarah		05/29/2000 10:27:54
Portuguese & MelungeonsCharles NealThe Poythress List has previously had discussions re "Portuguese" and the
Melungeons. The below interesting item was on the Greene Co, NC List
today. I checked the online version of the Post and could not find the
article there.
BPN
= = =
> There is an interesting article on the front page of the Washington Post
today on the background of the Melungeons. These people have a mixed
background of European/African/Native Americans and many of them live in
Appalachia but according to this article are found all over. It is thought
but not proven that such diverse people as Abraham Lincoln, Elvis, and Ava
Gardner had some of these genes. DNA testing proves they have Mediterranean
especially Portuguese traits. Testing has started on possible Turkish
traits. They date back to the 1600's with a background of European men and
Native Women. As a genealogist, I found the article of great interest.
Post is online but not sure they carry all the articles. <		05/31/2000 1:12:23
Asa (Charles) PoythressCharles NealPosted by Barbara Poythress Neal [or BPN for short] to the Poythress-List,
especially to Barbara Poythress Wolfe [or BPW for short], and to anyone in
the James Speed Poythress line who may be able to help:

I noticed that Lyn did not send a copy of the below-copied message from
Janet to the List, and I think it may help to put this out there, so here
goes:

Both the name "Asa" and the name "Upshur" seem familiar to me, but I don't
know why. I searched thru my own database and could not find any Asa
Poythress (or any Upshur, for that matter). However, in checking "Charles
Poythress," I had a number of them, including two possibilities (depending
on how sure Janet is of the birthyear she mentions in her message below).
As I understand her message, she did not know exactly when or where "Asa
(Charles) Poythress" had been born; I am unclear why "Charles" is shown in
parenthesis in her message. Those 2 possibilities I came up with are as
follows:

- one is in your line, BPW: he is Charles David Poythress, born in Vance
County, NC on 26 Aug 1895 to Mary Elizabeth Pirie & her husband James Sneed
Poythress (thus this Charles was a grandson of another Charles David
Poythress & Indiana Peru Twisdale). Maybe you know more about him by now,
but several yrs ago BPW, you had indicated to me that this 1895-Charles had
been married, though his wife's name was unknown & you didn't know of any
children. You did know that he had been a Marine Aviator in World War I,
(Marine Aviator??) and that he died 7 Feb 1944. BPW, do you now know
anything further about his wife's name?

- the other possible Charles Poythress who I found was a Charles William
Poythress, Jr., born in or near Meridian, Mississippi, sometime in the
approximate time of 1895-1898. The ONLY thing I know about him is his name
& approx birthdate, and that he was born to Lucy White and her husband
Charles William Poythress (thus this Charles Wm Jr was a grandson of James
Speed Poythress & Martha Grice Raiford) who lived in Meridian, Mississippi.
Lucy was the first wife of Charles William Poythress, Sr.; after her
death in Dec 1916, he married Minnie Mitchell and moved to Macclenny, in
Baker County, Florida.

Lyn had mentioned checking the 1930 Federal Census, but that won't be
released until 2002, since 72 years must elapse before the release of a
Census.

His other suggestion was a good one. I checked the Social Security Death
Index at the place I prefer to check, since I know they
update their SSDI every month. (By the way, they also have the possibility
of you adding a "Post It" note to a death record, if you want other people
interested in a particular person to be able to contact you.) The SSDI
listed no one named "Asa Poythress" and listed 4 Charles Poythresses. It
is a shame that the SSDI does not indicate any middle initials, and does
not indicate any "Jr" etc with any names. While two of them were born in
the late 1920s and thus obviously not the one sought, there were two
possibilities born in the 1890s:

- Charles Poythress, born 27 Dec 1894; died Nov 1976; last resided in
Henderson, Vance Co, NC; his SS # was issued in KY. BPW, this fellow was
born in the same county & state but about 9 months earlier than your line's
Charles David Poythress mentioned above; have you any clue who this
Charles' parents would be?

- Charles Poythress, born 31 Mar 1897; died 6 Sep 1978; last resided in
VA; his SS# was issued in Mississippi. Perhaps this one is the son of Lucy
White & Charles William Poythress, Sr, who I mentioned above.

Can anyone else help on this following question? Thanks!
BPN
>
>[Lyn's message here; Janet's is below]
> Janet, yours is an interesting Poythress connection and certainly one
unfamiliar to me. I am taking the liberty to copy Barbara Neal and Maynard
Poythress, two of our list members who have the broadest information on
Poythress lines in the South. Let me suggest, if you have not done so,
that you research Asa Charles Poythress in indices to Social Security
records and to the 1930 Federal census, two very useful sources for his
time period, and good for broad geographical searches. Thanks for your
encouraging words and best of hunting! -lpb

On Tue, 30 May 2000 18:13:12 -0700 "Tim & Janet English"
writes:
>My name is Janet Eve Poythress, (now English married name) My mother
>is Eleanor Lambert Upshur of the Virginia Upshur family, (1921)eastern
>shore Nassawadox, VA and my father raised in Brooklyn, NY (1920) both
>still living.
>
>I was unaware of the Poythress side of our family, due to the Irish
>temper of my Grandmother Kathleen Ryan Poythress who destroyed all
>documents of her husbands past. His name was Asa (Charles) Poythress.
> Have you run across any history there born around 1898, and left NY
>for the deep south around 1928, I was wondering what may have
>happened to him.
>
>The other interest is that Poythress is so abundant in the VA
>history... and that my mother's name UPSHUR is very popular on the
>coastline. Have you seen any record of their kinship in some way. . .
>we laugh at home on this point due to my grandmother UPSHUR disowned
>my mother for marring that "Yankee" and moving to NY.
>
>Lots of other history here if anyone is interested.
>
>Thanks for your hardwork in preserving the Poythress heritage and
>marking the family graves. I am sorry to see the short length of time
>these persons lived.
>
>Janet		05/31/2000 7:58:00
Charles David PoythressBarbara (BPN):
I do not have any more personal data on my CDP than what you outlined in your
message on 5/31/00. I do have a picture of him in his W.W.I uniform which I
will send you separately because we cannot make attachments to the list. If
anyone else is interested in seeing it, just let me know and I'll gladly send
it along to you too.

The insignia looks like a Marine one. And he appears to have one bar on his
shoulder which would make him a Lieutenant. His dad James Sneed Poythress
sent him to a flying school to become a pilot. Uncle Sam did not train you in
those days.

He served in France and was wounded on Armistice Day.

Have no clue as to the Charles whose social security was issued in KY.

Best, BPW		06/02/2000 2:50:26
Lewis Bunyon (Charles) PoythressSarah PoythressBPN,

The Charles Poythress born in Henderson, NC was Dale's Uncle Bunny.
That is what we called him. I did not know he had changed it to Charles
until I saw it on his death certificate and tombstone. I did not know he
had been in Kentucky either. I learned this from his social security
record. I knew he had been somewhere in Canada for years , but not
Kentucky. He was in the logging business at one time. I don't know what
else he did. He was married, fathered 3 children and divorced. His
second wife was from South Hill, Va. They are both buried there. I guess
Charles was an alas.

Sarah		06/02/2000 3:40:47
For us all....(off topic)EXERCISE.....


It is well documented that for every mile that you jog, you add one minute
to your life. This enables you at 85 years old to spend an additional 5
months in a nursing home at $5000 per month.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1. My grandmother started walking five miles a day when she was 60.
She's 97 now and we don't know where the hell she is,
2. The only reason I would take up jogging is so that I could hear
heavy breathing again.
3. I joined a health club last year, spent about 400 bucks. Haven't
lost a pound. Apparently you have to show up.
4. I have to exercise early in the morning before my brain figures out
what I'm doing.
5. I don't exercise at all. If God meant us to touch our toes, he would
have put them further up on our body.
6. I like long walks, especially when they are taken by people who
annoy me.
7. I have flabby thighs, but fortunately my stomach covers them.
8. The advantage of exercising every day is that you die healthier.
9. If you are going to try cross-country skiing, start with a small
country.

And last but not least:
10. I don't jog, it makes the ice jump right out of my glass.		06/02/2000 11:21:26
Re: Asa (Charles) PoythressJanet, from your message:

"...and my father raised in Brooklyn, NY (1920)...I was unaware of the
Poythress side of our family, due to the Irish temper of my Grandmother
Kathleen Ryan Poythress who destroyed all documents of her husbands past.
His name was Asa (Charles) Poythress... there born around 1898, and left
NY for the deep south around 1928..."

I interpreted that you know that your grandfather Asa (Charles) Poythress
was born in Brooklyn, NY about 1898. Is this the case, or did I
misinterpret? Thanks.

Best regards,
Lyn Poythress Baird

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Asa verses Charles PoythressSarah PoythressBPN,

Lewis Bunyon (Bunny) Poythress is the son of Joseph Sidney & Lucy Eva
Malvina Stainback Poythress, b. 27 Dec 1894 in Franklin Co., NC,
d. 21 Nov 1976 in Vance Co., NC. You will find him listed in the earlier
information I posted. He married Vandelia Rose Ellis, their childrens
names are Mary Evelyn, Mildred Thomas and Lewis Bunyon (deceased) never
married . Married 12 Dec. 1911 and ended sometime after 1919. Bunny's
tombstone has Charles L. Poythress on it.

In my last sentence I meant to say Charles must have been an alias.
Since that was not his birth or nick name.

He married Ruby Field Callis 17 Sept 1946 in VA. They didn't have any
children. What he did and where he was between his two marriages I do
not know. I know the family said he was in Canada. It was years after
Dale and I married before I met him. He was married to Ruby then.

According to the dates here I can not say it could not have been
possible for him to have married Kathleen Ryan, but I have never heard
anyone in the family speak of it

Hope this helps,
Sarah		06/04/2000 5:45:06
Asa versus Charles Poythress also known as BunnyCharles NealJanet & Sarah, (Sarah - this version of this message is a bit different
than the one I erroneously mailed just to you earlier, thinking I was
hitting the whole List),

Sarah, thanks for the info on Dale's uncle. From the caption on your
message (copied below) I gather the earlier name of that Charles Poythress,
at birth, was "Lewis Bunyon Poythress", and that makes it more
understandable that he was called "Uncle Bunny" by Dale.

I am curious on what your last sentence meant, Sarah: " I guess Charles
was an alas"??

And while you, Sarah, mentioned that he had been married, had fathered 3
children, & had divorced, you did not mention either the divorced-wife's
name or any kids' names. Could he have been the Asa (Charles) Poythress
that Janet was asking about who married Kathleen Ryan: ">temper of my
Grandmother Kathleen Ryan Poythress who destroyed all documents of her
husbands past. His name was Asa (Charles) Poythress...born around 1898...
left NY for the deep south around 1928"

Janet, your message gave no indication how long your grandfather would have
been in NY before leaving there around 1928.
And, Sarah, I know you knew that Charles Poythress (also known as Lewis
Bunyon Poythress at birth) spent some years in Canada - which of course
isn't that far from NY...

And now Janet has mentioned that she knew that "Asa" (apparently the name
they knew him by, in her family) worked for the railway from Nova Scotia
(which is Canada, of course) to NY and farther.

So I guess another way of asking my question, Sarah, would be: Do you know
for sure that Uncle Bunny could NOT possibly have been married to Kathleen
Ryan & have left NY aroung 1928? Sure sounds to me like it could be the
same fellow...

I realize that Lyn had inferred from your message, Janet, that not only
your father, but also your grandfather, had been born in Brooklyn, NY. I
however gathered from your message that you knew little if anything about
your grandfather, and thus I figure that he could've taken his wife there
because of a job he then had & that would have been the reason your father
would've been born in NY. To me, your grandfather's leaving NY for the
South in about 1928 kind of looks like someone who could have just been
heading for yet another job opportunity.

At any rate, from both Janet & Sarah, I would appreciate any additional
enlightenment on any of the above.
Thanks, BPN
= =
Sarah's message was:
>Lewis Bunyon (Charles) Poythress:
The Charles Poythress born in Henderson, NC was Dale's Uncle Bunny.
That is what we called him. I did not know he had changed it to Charles
until I saw it on his death certificate and tombstone. I did not know he
had been in Kentucky either. I learned this from his social security
record. I knew he had been somewhere in Canada for years , but not
Kentucky. He was in the logging business at one time. I don't know what
else he did. He was married, fathered 3 children and divorced. His
second wife was from South Hill, Va. They are both buried there. I guess
Charles was an alas.<		06/04/2000 6:02:27
On the trail.....Debbie & Bud.....this will be general interest for others but perhaps more
specific for you, Debbie:

As you requested, Debbie, I checked the census for Allendale County, SC.
Actually, Allendale is a modern county composed of land previously in
Beaufort and Barnwell counties. No Poythresses on the census in either
county in SC at any time.

Barnwell is a blank with respect to both Poythresses and Mocks. Beaufort
shows a couple of Mocks in households 291 and 281 ONLY for the year 1840. No
one has indexed the Beaufort census except in that Vern Jackson junk which
shows Mocks only in 1840. Vern lists 2, I only found one, not untypical of
that genealogical index. And I scanned it pretty well because both were
listed as being in St. Peter's parish and that reduced the scope
considerably. This John Mock is shown as single and reveals absolutely
nothing than one male 25-30 (presumably John himself), another white male
under 5, a white female 25-30 (presumably wife) and another white female
under 5.

John Mock lists 4 slaves, 2 in "manufactures & trades", one in "agriculture",
and nothing shown for slave # 4.

One can't get to picky with matching age to a census because ample evidence
shows this information to be far from precise. Often the respondent himself
or herself didn't know their own ages or their children's ages. Typically,
the protocol is to allow two or three years of slack. Place of birth is an
entirely different matter and it is seldom incorrect simply because that is
fairly hard for a parent to forget.

I then went back to the 1850 Screven County, Georgia census where Hester
Poythress first (and only) appears as 55 years of age in the 1850 census.
Hester would therefore have been 45 at the time of the 1840 census and thus
no where close to either of the two white females under 5 and 25 to 30 in the
household of John Mock. In fact, there is really no evidence that she was
ever a Mock in the first place which is very much as we have considered it
all along; i. e., that she is entirely separate from Hester Wilder Mock
Poythress.

I think we now have (and probably have had all along) reasonable evidence
that:

1) the chance of Hester Poythress' son William being William E. Poythress is
fairly
slim. An 18 year old in 1855 would have been born about 1837. Since there
is no solid evidence that either this particular Hester or her son William
were ever Mocks in the first place, the fact that he is in the right age
bracket to be John Mock's son is no more relevent for him than for any other
child in Georgia or South Carolina who was between the ages of 0 and 5.

And William E. Poythress of Georgia consistently swears in several CSA
records that he has lived in Georgia "all my life" and was born July,
1829....further tending to elimnate him as a possible for being Hester
Poythress' son.

2) we now know that Hester Poythress arrived in Georgia between 1837 and 1841,
making her ineligble to have been the wife of either Meredith Poythress, Sr.
who would have been 77 when she arrived in Georgia and, Meredith, Sr. is not
even on
the Georgia 1840 census, supporting the very likely probability that he had
died.
Meredith Jr.'s whereabouts and his marriage to Susan R. Maner in the period
are well documented.

So, all is well......

Household 298/Screven 1850
Hester Poythress 55 Farmeress Val: $ 800 Born SC
William 18 "farms" Born SC
Mary A. 14 Born GA
Lucy M. 9 Born GA
Jane 5 Born GA

UNTIL.....up jumps the devil: in household 297 (next door to Hester
Poythress)
are:

Household 297/Screven 1850
Issac Poythress 22 Farmer Val. $200 Born SC
Mary Poythress Born GA

So, here we have (according to the ledger kept by Hester Wilder Mock's
brother)
Issac Poythress, her son born to a Meredith Poythress in Georgia with b. 28
May 1828 (agrees) and a death on 29 June 1862, accidentally, in CSA army
working to clear obstructions in the Savannah River.

This gives us two additional questions:

1) what's b.1828 Issac Poythress doing living next door to Hester Poythress
who came to Georgia between 1837 and 1841 with children named above, none of
whose five names in the census even remotely agree with the five names and
birth dates of the children of Hester Wilder Mock Poythress as recorded by
her brother Issac Wilder. Gee, I don't know. Hester Poythress could be kin
by having married an unknown Georgia Poythress before or after moving to
Georgia. I'd even make that one "likely".

2) why is THIS Issac Poythress b. 1828 showing a birth place of SOUTH
CAROLINA? Well, even though Hester Poythress was in SC in 1828 that doesn't
seem to make a case that Hester Poythress was Issac Poythress' mother.

And why South Carolina for Issac Poythress' birthplace. I have only remote
chance answers, none very good: 1) an error by the census taker showing Issac
Poythress born in SC, remote for a state of birth..... and 2) remember
Allendale County (or whatever its name was then) is right across the river
from Screven and those folks were constantly trafficking back and
forth....and maybe they just got caught on a visit.....or maybe that was the
closest midwife available. Who knows. I'm open for about any suggestion but,
barring further interest by the group I'm going to let this mystery lie.

Maynard		06/05/2000 4:55:35
Census PagesI know there are a number of places on the net where one can go to download
census "blanks". However, does anyone know of a place where one can go,
bring up a blank, type information onto it, and then print it "filled in"?

Thanks,

Maynard



06/05/2000 4:57:18
Census PagesCharles NealMaynard, I've not heard of such a place.

BPN



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Norman L PoythressCharles NealIn the California Death Records 1940-1997 database, posted by RootsWeb at

http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi

I located dates of birth & death, plus SSN, for
Norman L Poythress, who we know was a son of Daniel Willie Poythress Jr. &
Leila H. Gross. [And we know that Daniel Willie Poythress Sr was a son of
Meredith Poythress, Jr.]
b. 14 Aug 1903 in GA
d. 28 July 1973 in El Dorado Co, CA
SSN: 255-05-9425

Does anyone know what Norman L's middle name was, please?

Thanks.
BPN		06/15/2000 9:37:51
Edna Marie Poythress b.1893 GACharles NealIn the California Death Records 1940-1997 database, posted by RootsWeb at

http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi

I located dates of birth & death, plus SSN, for the following person. From
the limited info at that database, I realize that Poythress could be her
married name, since that was her name at death; or she could have never
married & thus had that name at birth. Can anyone tell me who this lady
born in GA was daughter of, and/or married to?

Edna Marie Poythress
b. 15 June 1893 in GA
d. 4 Oct 1978 in Fresno Co, CA
SSN 559-68-1424

Thanks for any help identifying her!
BPN		06/15/2000 9:37:53
Oliver A Poythress b.1922 GACharles NealIn the California Death Records 1940-1997 database, posted by RootsWeb at

http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ca/death/search.cgi

I located dates of birth & death, plus SSN, for this person. I cannot
place who his parents were. Can anyone help, please?

Oliver A. Poythress
b. 26 March 1922 in GA
d. 7 Oct 1996 in Alameda Co, CA
SSN 254-24-5483

Thanks for any help!
BPN		06/15/2000 9:37:54
Re: Norman L PoythressBarbara.....here is all I have (and I think you have this already) but I have
a dead end on Norman's "L".....

19. Minnie POYTHRESS. Daughter of Daniel Willie POYTHRESS & Laura J. SCOTT.
Born 1 Jun 1873 in Screven County, Georgia. Died 23 Jul 1973 in Oakland,
California. Buried 4 Aug 1973 in McBride Meth. Church Cemetery, Sylvania, Ga.

**Obituary from Sylvania Telephone (newspaper) Aug. 1973:

MRS. MINNIE POYTHRESS ROBINSON DIES AT AGE 100

Aged 100 years and two months, Mrs. Minnie Poythress
Robinson died in California and was returned here for burial August 4 at here
home church, McBride United Methodist, which was only three years older than
she.

Born June 1, 1873, Mrs. Robinson was two years older than Guglielmo Marconi,
inventor of wireless (radio), twenty-two years older than the State of Utah
and thirty six years older than Newington and Hiltonia.

She was a pioneer in women's lib before there was such a thing, not by
protest but by act., for she went to Savannah, got a job in the Cortez Cigar
Company, found George Robinson of Connecticut, married him, brought him back
home. He built an upright New England home for her on Poythress land in
sight of Simpson United Methodist Church.

Mr. and Mrs. Robinson had one child who was born dead, and the father eight
months died later in December, 1912. Both were buried at McBride.

Minnie Robinson looked after her aged parents, Daniel W. Poythress, Sr. and
his wife, the former Laura Scott until their death, then Mrs. Robinson
returned to her job at the cigar company. There she helped rear her great
niece, Marjorie, daughter of Ruby Mae Poythress Malesky and her husband.
Eventually, Mrs. Robinson, her niece, her nephew Norman Poythress and the
great-niece moved to California.

When Mrs. Robinson outlived all except the great niece, Marjorie, the former
was returned by Marjorie and her husband, Mesle Benneche of Turlock,
California,at Mrs. Robinson's previous request to McBride for interment.

Mrs. Robinson has two first cousins in Sylvania, Miss Christine Scott and
Alex Mills.

Pallbearers were Claude Wells, Bob Wells, Jimmy Conner,
Robbie Thompson, Lline Brinson, William Brinson.

Rev. C. B. Studstill was in charge of the graveside service.

Thompson Funeral Home handled arrangements.

She married George ROBINSON, 24 Nov 1910 in Screven County, Georgia. Born 20
Nov 1974 in Connecticut. Died 9 Dec 1912 in Screven County, Georgia. Buried
in McBride Meth. Church Cemetery, Sylvania, Ga.
They had the following children:

35 i. Norman ROBINSON

20. Daniel Willie POYTHRESS Jr. Son of Daniel Willie POYTHRESS & Laura J.
SCOTT. Born 17 Jun 1878 in Screven County, Georgia. Died 10 Oct 1950 in
Milledgeville, Baldwin County, Georgia. Buried 11 Oct 1950 in McBride Meth.
Church Cemetery, Sylvania, Ga.

*See photo tombstone in files.

*Sylvania Telephone article Oct 1950:
"D. W. Poythress succumbs at 74"
Funeral services for Dan Willie Poythress, 74, were held Oct. 11 at the
McBride Methodist Church with the Rev. I. L. Bisshop officiating. Burial was
in the churchyard under the directions of Thompson's Funeral Home.

Mr. Poythress died in Milledgeville after a long illness.

Pallbearers were John Scott,Jr.,Rufus Bazemore, Alex Mills, L. L. Sheley,
Philip
Reddick, and Lanville Conner.

Mr. Poythress is survived by a son, Norman Poythress; a daughter, Mrs. Jack
Orr; several grandchildren; a sister, Mrs. Minnie Robbinson, all of Oakland,
Calif."

He married Leila H. GROSS, 17 Jan 1899 in Screven County, Georgia. Born 26
Apr 1874. Died 9 Mar 1978 in Screven County, Georgia. Buried in McBride Meth.
Church Cemetery, Sylvania, Ga.

See photo tombstone in files.

They had the following children:

36 i. Norman POYTHRESS
37 ii. Mrs. Jack Orr POYTHRESS


Not only do I not have Norman with an "L" middle initial, I can't find an "L"
in the tree anywhere. And I haven't gotten into Sylvania records "that
late". I'll take a look next time I go to archives if you haven't found it
already.

Maynard		06/15/2000 10:45:22
Re: Poythress/Tanner gravesiteLyn,

I have not been logged on for a while, but I did want to thank you for
sending the gravesite photos. I am a g-g grandson of John Lewis Poythress. I
would greatly appreciate any information you have on this line. A handwritten
family tree chart that I was given shows John's father to be a James, and
James' father to be a Louis (or possibly Lewis??). I have not been able to
substantiate this. Do you have any info?

Thanks again,

Kevin N. Poythress



06/18/2000 2:12:10
Missing Person AlertHas anyone seen or heard from my lost partner in crime Jean Poythress?
I've lost her and can't find her. Evidently, the witness protection program
works pretty good

Crystal



06/21/2000 2:11:06
Ga. Gene. QuarterlyQ= My ancestor went off to the Civil War in the Georgia troops and never came
back.
I have not found any record of his fate. What do I do now?

A= It is a bit of the bottom of the barrell but the GDAH has huge collection
of copies
of Civil War records, cross referenced by regiment, called the "Civil
War
Miscellany." This material includes a number of rosters based on the
memories of old soldiers and sometimes includes mentions of death that
survive nowhere else.

Info, I'll take a whack at this one on next trip to GDAH.

Maynard



06/21/2000 9:18:10
Time LinesCharles NealThought my fellow-Poythress-researchers would want to know:

There is a great website that will instantaneously construct a timeline,
telling you everything major that happened during the span of any
ancestor's lifetime. I just put in a name & a span of dates, and got a
printable several-page timeline showing all the important happenings during
my ancestor's life from 1844-1916. Very interesting. And if you want,
there you can also click on another portion of the site to see a list of
noted people who were alive when the ancestor was. Of course, all this
also works for currently-living spans of dates, if one puts for example
"1920-2000"

Try it (it's free of course):
www.ourtimelines.com

Enjoy,
Barbara		07/05/2000 10:45:50
SubmarineI had heard this story in bits and pieces and never known its source until
today.
Best, Maynard

The following information is from the book "Southampton County,
Virginia" by Thomas C. Parramore, pages 169 and 170:

"Somehow, even in the depths of war, there were moments of relief. An
episode that brought smiles for a long time afterward was the launching
of Jack Poythress's submarine in the Blackwater in April 1863. The
inventor was a three-and-a-half-foot midget who could drink a glass of
whiskey without the use of his hands - while standing on his head.
Jack's seventy pounds were all but camouflaged behind a ten-inch growth
of black whiskers, and nobody took his submarine project seriously until
he actually brought the thing down to the river a little below the
railroad bridge and announced that it was about to make its first
cruise. Onlookers found that Jack had fashioned for the defeat of the
Union navy an 'infernal machine' from a smokestack stoppered at both
ends with pine blocks and outfitted with a canvas hose for underwater
breathing. The Mushrat, as Poythress christened his vessel, was to be
driven by means of a hand crank that turned a stern propeller. Unhappily
for naval science, the Mushrat capsided upon launching and almost
drowned its inventor. The craft lay for some time thereafter half
submerged and was finally carried off by a freshet to its final resting
place at George's Bend, five miles downstream. Jack's own end was sadder
still: he was convicted for second-degree murder in 1875 and spent his
final years in prison."		07/21/2000 7:33:28
willam poythresshoracep8I am looking for the children of William Poythress and Anna Lewis. Marrige
bond of 9-27-1785 from Bertie Co. NC.

Horace Poythress (Lucky)		07/27/2000 12:12:04
00 Jun 1760 Estate Inventory John Poythress, Jr.Lyn, I ordered a copy of this from LVA before I realized your mother had
already transcribed the thing, you had put it on the wire, and I already had
it on my drive.

Wow, I have a good photocopy "technically" but the handwriting is a
mess.....I'll have to say, your mother is in the wrong line of work. Even
with her transcription in hand I can still only barely read the original. We
need to get that lady into every library we can find!. I don't think I could
have read this rascal when my eyes were 10 years old. Tell her great job!

I'm slowly plugging away at sequencing all of the Brunswick County documents.
I began doing it by name, then I tried one section for wills, one for court
orders, etc.

Finally realized I was just going to confuse myself AND the reader no end
because there is just not enough of it to organize by subject, even if I did
nail about 6 new ones at the Clayton library.

I'll be shortly putting it on the wire and asking each of you to check your
papers and
send me any I'm missing. I'll then dial those into the chronological
sequence for each and we'll hopefully have as a working document a sizable
number of all the Brunswick County Court documents. Believe me, this rascal
has turned into a bear....but, the good news is I think that this simplified
form of organzation for reference purposes will let us capture whatever is
available and rack it up "by county" without regard to what kind of document
it is.

I think I'm finding that is going to be easier to put documents on people
than to have a superstructure of people and then go looking for
documents.....simply because the documents are leading us to the people and
not the other way around.

Best,

Maynard		08/02/2000 11:13:52
Books re Colonial Virginia1. The History of the Dismal Swamp Company. Would more appropriately be
titled The Dismal History of the Swamp Company. Purports to be interesting
story of the guys who formed this company semi-steal the land to drain the
huge swamp on the Va./NC border and make barrel staves out of the cyprus
knees that were left or something like that. They should have tried
blondeened cypress knee lamps, would have likely had more success and been
three hundred years ahead of their time....except for no electricity. And
the book is a total drag of scholarly nits picked, none of which remotely
impacted our family. Forget it. Sounds like a Phd thesis "converted" to a
book that should never have been written in the first place.

2. Some time back someone touted "The Secret Diary of William Byrd of
Westover,
1709-1712". I have been poking the name into Amazon's search engine from
time to time and finally hit something at any rate: "Library of William Byrd
of Westover" which runs 600+ pages (okay) and $ 79.50 (not okay). If
somebody knows say so, otherwise I'll query the publisher and see if the
thing is inclusive of "Secret Diary".

And I'll check again on the used book sites.....usually a losing game in
these instances because the title sounds like "rare book" instead of "used
book" and the dealers salivate when they see you coming.

Maynard		08/03/2000 1:10:35
00 Jun 1760 Estate Inventory John Poythress, Jr.Charles NealMaynard,

I applaud your chosen way of organizing the Brunswick Co, VA documents in
chronological order. I look forward to your upcoming list or sequence of
all the Brunswick documents you have found, in one document. Thank you for
having taken this on.
Barbara

>> I'm slowly plugging away at sequencing all of the Brunswick County
documents.
I began doing it by name, then I tried one section for wills, one for
court
orders, etc.

Finally realized I was just going to confuse myself AND the reader no end
because there is just not enough of it to organize by subject, even if I
did
nail about 6 new ones at the Clayton library.

I'll be shortly putting it on the wire and asking each of you to check your

papers and send me any I'm missing. I'll then dial those into the
chronological
sequence for each and we'll hopefully have as a working document a sizable
number of all the Brunswick County Court documents. Believe me, this
rascal
has turned into a bear....but, the good news is I think that this
simplified
form of organzation for reference purposes will let us capture whatever is
available and rack it up "by county" without regard to what kind of
document
it is.<<		08/03/2000 6:50:44
RE: Books re Colonial Virginia & more re Poythress estate & suit filedCharles NealLou, glad to learn you are still frequenting the Dallas Library.
Hopefully they will have "The Secret Diary of William Byrd of
Westover, 1709-1712" and hopefully it might shed some light for us.

Barbara		08/05/2000 2:52:40
Books re Colonial Virginia & more re Poythress estate & suit filedCharles NealRe message text written by Maynard to INTERNET:POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com: >.
. . Some time back someone touted "The Secret Diary of William Byrd of
Westover, 1709-1712". I have been poking the name into Amazon's search
engine from time to time and finally hit something at any rate: "Library of
William Byrd of Westover" which runs 600+ pages <

I doubt seriously if the above "Library of William Byrd..." would include
his secret diaries. It would more likely be a book about what books he had
in his library & maybe how he acquired them. Re his library, by the way,
EACH day in the below-mentioned diary's 8 days of entries, he noted he
"read Hebrew and Greek."

The VA Historical Society, by the way, had the University Press of Va,
Charlottesville, VA, publish 2 volumes of "The Correspondence of The Three
William Byrds of Westover, Virginia, 1684-1776" which were edited by Marion
Tinling with a foreword by Louis B. Wright. Those 2 volumes cover 859
pages per the write-up about them by Univ Press, and that is just
correspondence!

Back to the question of what of interest might be IN the Secret Diary for
1709-1712: A couple of weeks ago, I got a note from Billie Blankenship,
forwarded to me by VGS where she sent it asking they send it on to me
because she had lost track of me. She said she had been very ill for the
last 5 years but is doing well now. [Maynard, in her cover note to VGS, she
also spoke well of your mother who she assumed must be deceased by now.]

When I followed up with her, Billie mentioned to me that she was finally
reading a book she had had for many years & had been unable to plow thru
before, which she said is long out of print: "Another Secret Diary -
William Byrd - Westover, 1739-1741" [note difference in dates from
above-mentioned Secret Diary] edited by Maude H. Woodfin, and decoded by
[same person mentioned above] Marion Tinling, 1942, The Dietz Press, Inc.,
Richmond, VA. Billie still lives close to Westover, at the same address
where she's long lived in Hopewell, and has enjoyed comparing Byrd's daily
observations about the weather then on certain days of the years, to the
current weather there.

AND Billie said that there was interesting info about a lawsuit by part of
the Poythress family in a long footnote to Byrd's July 26, 1741 diary
entry. When I was unable to locate that volume locally (no surprise
there!), Billie sent me a photocopy of pages 176-177 that have the
pertinent diary entry and footnote. On those 2 pages were 8 consecutive
days of entries. Byrd had noted that after dinner on July 26, 1741 he
received a visit from John Ravenscroft, Mr. Miller and his wife, and Mrs.
Poythress, all of whom only stayed till the evening. The footnote was from
Mrs. Poythress' name.

The footnote reads as follows with parentheses as in original & square
bracketed notes from me:
"Evidently a member of the Poythress family long prominent in Charles
City and Prince George Counties. William Poythress was justice of Prince
George, 1738, and William and Francis Poythress were militia officers of
Prince George, 1738. In Charles City, July 1741 [BPN note: same month as
Byrd's diary entry], there was a suit by Robert Poythress and Robert and
Thomas Poythress executors of Joshua Poythress vs. Benjamin Harrison (Va.
Mag., XXIII, 32; see Diary, 1709-1712 [BPN note: the same volume of the
Diary mentioned in Maynard's above-quoted email message]). [and the
footnote continues for another paragraph:]
"Joshua Poythress had been quite wealthy, for his administrators gave
bond of 5,000 pounds current money when his will was presented in court
(Prince George Minute Book, 1737-1740, April 1740, p.400)."

Maynard, even though you earlier got lots of Poythress info from the VHS'
"Virginia Historical Magazine," I can't find any reference to it including
the Vol. XXIII, p. 32 that is referred to in the footnote above. It would
be nice to have the full content of whatever was covered there (whether a
full article or something less). From the above context in the footnote,
the Vol.XXIII, p.32 item must give some background for the mentioned
lawsuit [that was initially filed? or that was taken up by the executors
from an earlier suit filed by Joshua himself?] in July 1741 in Charles City
County.

On that subject, Benjamin Weisiger abstracted & compiled a volume he titled
"Charles City County, Virginia Records 1737-1774 (With Several 17th Century
Fragments)." The entry there for July Court 1741, p.168, says only
"Robert Poythress, Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, Executors of
Joshua Poythress, dec'd, VS. Benjamin Harrison, Gent." Since Weisiger's
title indicated that he only *abstracted* we cannot be sure without looking
at the original record whether or not the July Court 1741 includes any
further info about the suit.

Back to the above footnote: as far as I know, the Prince George Court
Minutes (in the PG Minute Book 1737-1740 referred to in above footnote)
have not been transcribed, or if they have, I have not seen them.

Billie mentioned that the Prince George Courthouse has Wills from 1700, and
that she believes they have in recent years "recovered some old records"
that have not been available to the public in a long time. I have not done
anything about those statements of hers. Perhaps you would be willing to
call the PG County courthouse and determine (1) whether those are accurate
statements; (2) whether one can get photocopies of the above-mentioned
entry about Joshua's administrators giving bond on his Will in April 1740
on page 400 of the "PG Court Minute Book of 1737-1740;" and (3) if so, how
much one should send & where, in order to get photocopies.

All for now, Barbara		08/05/2000 8:43:53
RE: Books re Colonial Virginia & more re Poythress estate & suit filedLou PooleBarbara, this one caught my eye because the subject is "my" Joshua
Poythress...

Actually many, if not all, the "secret" diaries of William Byrd have
been translated, transcribed and published. I know I've seen a book
on the subject at our Dallas library. I can't say that our library
has all the published diaries, though.

Not many of us want to deal with the originals because he wrote a lot
of it in some kind of code he devised (not difficult to crack,
apparently), and/or French.

From what I've read, if an ancestor -- particularly a woman -- is
mentioned in there, you'd best be prepared for the worst! William
Byrd was a sexual predator, and many of the coded entries are supposed
to be pretty explicit and/or "colorful."

I was just at the Dallas library today, but won't be able to get back
until at least next Saturday. I'll definitely be looking for what I
can find, unless someone can beat me to it in the meantime.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Neal [mailto:BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 1:44 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Books re Colonial Virginia & more re Poythress estate & suit
filed


Re message text written by Maynard to
INTERNET:POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com: >.
. . Some time back someone touted "The Secret Diary of William Byrd of
Westover, 1709-1712". I have been poking the name into Amazon's
search
engine from time to time and finally hit something at any rate:
"Library of
William Byrd of Westover" which runs 600+ pages <

I doubt seriously if the above "Library of William Byrd..." would
include
his secret diaries. It would more likely be a book about what books
he had
in his library & maybe how he acquired them. Re his library, by the
way,
EACH day in the below-mentioned diary's 8 days of entries, he noted he
"read Hebrew and Greek."

The VA Historical Society, by the way, had the University Press of Va,
Charlottesville, VA, publish 2 volumes of "The Correspondence of The
Three
William Byrds of Westover, Virginia, 1684-1776" which were edited by
Marion
Tinling with a foreword by Louis B. Wright. Those 2 volumes cover 859
pages per the write-up about them by Univ Press, and that is just
correspondence!

Back to the question of what of interest might be IN the Secret Diary
for
1709-1712: A couple of weeks ago, I got a note from Billie
Blankenship,
forwarded to me by VGS where she sent it asking they send it on to me
because she had lost track of me. She said she had been very ill for
the
last 5 years but is doing well now. [Maynard, in her cover note to
VGS, she
also spoke well of your mother who she assumed must be deceased by
now.]

When I followed up with her, Billie mentioned to me that she was
finally
reading a book she had had for many years & had been unable to plow
thru
before, which she said is long out of print: "Another Secret Diary -
William Byrd - Westover, 1739-1741" [note difference in dates from
above-mentioned Secret Diary] edited by Maude H. Woodfin, and decoded
by
[same person mentioned above] Marion Tinling, 1942, The Dietz Press,
Inc.,
Richmond, VA. Billie still lives close to Westover, at the same
address
where she's long lived in Hopewell, and has enjoyed comparing Byrd's
daily
observations about the weather then on certain days of the years, to
the
current weather there.

AND Billie said that there was interesting info about a lawsuit by
part of
the Poythress family in a long footnote to Byrd's July 26, 1741 diary
entry. When I was unable to locate that volume locally (no surprise
there!), Billie sent me a photocopy of pages 176-177 that have the
pertinent diary entry and footnote. On those 2 pages were 8
consecutive
days of entries. Byrd had noted that after dinner on July 26, 1741 he
received a visit from John Ravenscroft, Mr. Miller and his wife, and
Mrs.
Poythress, all of whom only stayed till the evening. The footnote was
from
Mrs. Poythress' name.

The footnote reads as follows with parentheses as in original & square
bracketed notes from me:
"Evidently a member of the Poythress family long prominent in
Charles
City and Prince George Counties. William Poythress was justice of
Prince
George, 1738, and William and Francis Poythress were militia officers
of
Prince George, 1738. In Charles City, July 1741 [BPN note: same month
as
Byrd's diary entry], there was a suit by Robert Poythress and Robert
and
Thomas Poythress executors of Joshua Poythress vs. Benjamin Harrison
(Va.
Mag., XXIII, 32; see Diary, 1709-1712 [BPN note: the same volume of
the
Diary mentioned in Maynard's above-quoted email message]). [and the
footnote continues for another paragraph:]
"Joshua Poythress had been quite wealthy, for his administrators
gave
bond of 5,000 pounds current money when his will was presented in
court
(Prince George Minute Book, 1737-1740, April 1740, p.400)."

Maynard, even though you earlier got lots of Poythress info from the
VHS'
"Virginia Historical Magazine," I can't find any reference to it
including
the Vol. XXIII, p. 32 that is referred to in the footnote above. It
would
be nice to have the full content of whatever was covered there
(whether a
full article or something less). From the above context in the
footnote,
the Vol.XXIII, p.32 item must give some background for the mentioned
lawsuit [that was initially filed? or that was taken up by the
executors
from an earlier suit filed by Joshua himself?] in July 1741 in Charles
City
County.

On that subject, Benjamin Weisiger abstracted & compiled a volume he
titled
"Charles City County, Virginia Records 1737-1774 (With Several 17th
Century
Fragments)." The entry there for July Court 1741, p.168, says only
"Robert Poythress, Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, Executors
of
Joshua Poythress, dec'd, VS. Benjamin Harrison, Gent." Since
Weisiger's
title indicated that he only *abstracted* we cannot be sure without
looking
at the original record whether or not the July Court 1741 includes any
further info about the suit.

Back to the above footnote: as far as I know, the Prince George Court
Minutes (in the PG Minute Book 1737-1740 referred to in above
footnote)
have not been transcribed, or if they have, I have not seen them.

Billie mentioned that the Prince George Courthouse has Wills from
1700, and
that she believes they have in recent years "recovered some old
records"
that have not been available to the public in a long time. I have not
done
anything about those statements of hers. Perhaps you would be willing
to
call the PG County courthouse and determine (1) whether those are
accurate
statements; (2) whether one can get photocopies of the
above-mentioned
entry about Joshua's administrators giving bond on his Will in April
1740
on page 400 of the "PG Court Minute Book of 1737-1740;" and (3) if
so, how
much one should send & where, in order to get photocopies.

All for now, Barbara


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Carol MorrisonCharles NealMaynard,

Last time I communicated with her directly it was: camorrison@ibm.net
though that has been a good while ago.

Barbara



08/09/2000 3:20:02
Carol MorrisonAnybody have her e-mail address?

Thanks,

Maynard



08/09/2000 9:36:18
Brunswick CountyCharles NealI've been able to clarify #2 & #3 of the Teresa-listed finds from
Maynard's message below. I've had no luck locating anything resembling the
others.

The #2 item listed in Maynard's message below (from Teresa), confused the
page number. It *should* indicate that on p.174 of Brunswick Will Bk 3,
Charles Poythress' name is included in a huge list of names of people who
were probably purchasers of items from the estate of Alexander Walker. The
Walker estate was shown as "audited," and the audit was returned to the
court on 27 Jan 1756. [My understanding of this info comes from studying
Dr. Stephen Bradley's "Brunswick County, Virginia Will Books Volume 1, Will
Books 2 and 3, 1739-1769 and 1783-1785" which volume I feel sure is still
available. Teresa's number shown as 515 is really the 515th consecutive
entry that Bradley abstracted in his volume.]

In the #3 item listed below in Maynard's message (from Teresa), again the
page number was confused with Bradley's entry number in the same volume.
It *should* indicate p.341 of Brunswick Will Bk 3, which is the John
Poytress inventory that was transcribed by Bea Poythress Baird in full, and
which Maynard included in the WORD listing of Brunswick documents. This,
by the way, is apparently the same inventory that was listed in Clayton
Torrence's compilation "Virginia Wills and Administrations 1632-1800, An
Index of Wills Recorded in Local Courts of Virginia... and of
Administrations on Estates Shown By Inventories..." He listed there being
an inventory for "Jno. Potess" in 1760 in Brunswick Co.

(By the way, I double-checked Bradley for the other finds from Teresa
listed below in Maynard's message. I got innovative with the numbering and
looked for the other parties she mentioned, but still could find none of
the others. With the last one below having no indication of any date, I
could well have missed some possibilities. Teresa, if you are still on the
List & have any further clues in your notes about these, let me know & I'll
see what else I might be able to turn up.)

Hope this helps,
Barbara
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From: VKRatliff@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:20:58 EDT
Subject: Brunswick County
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Here are specific items that were on Teresa Willis' list of
"finds"......Teresa didn't copy enough on any of these and they need
looking up and fleshing out. And I can't raise Teresa on e-mail so she may
have gone offline. I sure hope not. She was just getting warmed up as a
Lawrenceville "liason" for us. We'll miss her.

Anyway, here they are. And if no one can flesh them out they will just
have to stay on the check list until such time as one of us can get to
Lawrenceville (I'll also say that the ease with which these popped up
suggests to me that there is a lot more in Lawrenceville than what we
already have).

1) "Brunswick Co. will book vol 1 pg 88"..........nothing on page 88 that I
was able to find.

2) "(1) 1754 Charles Poythress named in Alexander Walker's will (will book
3 pg 515)"...........I was unable to find.

3) "(2) John Potess 1760 (will book 3 pg 648)"

4) "(6) Thomas Poythress 1783 mentioned as selling 514 acres to William
Warwick"

5 "(12) witness on deed of John Edmundson Joshua Poythress, Jr."

Maynard		08/10/2000 6:52:07
Brunswick County Document SequenceCharles NealWow, Maynard - hhanks so much for this draft version of the study. It came
thru in WORD very well.

Re: >This is a first draft. Obviously I'll have mistakes. Obviously I'll
have omissions. What I would ask each of you to do is to go through your
own material and send me the corrections and additions which I will quickly
make and we'll see if we can't get
"Brunswick" semi-concluded as a working document open for later additions.
Would each of you target Sept. 1 for this please?<

I'll definitely do my best to review this draft (with the sources I have)
by your suggested target date of Sept. 1, and I'd encourage everyone else
to do the same, since the more sets of eyes we have looking at this, the
better will be the end-product. (Only mistake I've noticed so far is 2
misspellings of Carol Morrison's last name. I didn't see her address on
your copy count, but hopefully she is still on the List.)

Thanks again so much for all your work on this,
Barbara
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Message text written by INTERNET:VKRatliff@aol.com
>
Attached for those of you with a personal address shown above is my
compilation of Brunswick County documents in chronological order.

Those of you who DON'T have a personal address above will NOT get a copy
because Rootswebs line does not accept attachments....and, I only have your

address within the Poythress mailing list and not individually. I will
very
much appreciate those of you in this category to just drop your name and
e-mail address to me (vkratliff@aol.com) and I will be pleased to send you
the attachment. You don't even have to send a message, just your name and
e-mail address and I'll know what its for. Many, many thanks.

This "study" runs 24 pages long. I can't "paste" it to the bottom of an
e-mail because AOL won't accept that much....plus it will parse itself out
for an AOL page and thus line up funky. I will send it as an AOL word
document attached and AOL will no doubt zip it so you'll have to unzip it.

Brunswick, being light traffic relative to some of the other counties with
respect to Poythresses, I have chosen as a trial prior to doing other
Virginia counties.

I chose Word as the vehicle because I have more flexibility in it. The
"key"
will be date of document or occurance but a "search" for individual names
can
easily be run in word. I have found the chronological sequencing to work
very well when searching
counties for an individual, one can by only a glance recognize the names
that
are
"out of the search window" from a time standpoint.

Since most of these people were often on the move, or had transactions in
adjoining counties, the people will very, very often appear in more than
one
county. The
case in the instance of these listings will be only those documents that
came
out of the particular county of the "title".

The format works for me :).....and I know Lyn would rather have EXCEL,
Craig
would rather have Clooz, and somebody else would rather have Access. Trust

me, this one is simpler. But if you like, re-format it into whatever gives

you your jollies.

My mode was to go through every shred of paper I have (and believe me, its
plenty)
and simply line up the Brunswick documents, no matter what their source, in

chronological order. Given a hint by the volume of material Teresa Willis
has mentioned, I suspect there is a ton of information I may have missed.

This is a first draft. Obviously I'll have mistakes. Obviously I'll have
omissions. What I would ask each of you to do is to go through your own
material and send me the corrections and additions which I will quickly
make
and we'll see if we can't get
"Brunswick" semi-concluded as a working document open for later additions.

Would each of you target Sept. 1 for this please?

I will also be happy to hear any suggestions for improving the format or
making it easier to work with.

Thanks,

Maynard







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<		08/10/2000 12:17:31
Brunswick CountyHere are specific items that were on Teresa Willis' list of
"finds"......Teresa didn't copy enough on any of these and they need looking
up and fleshing out. And I can't raise Teresa on e-mail so she may have gone
offline. I sure hope not. She was just getting warmed up as a Lawrenceville
"liason" for us. We'll miss her.

Anyway, here they are. And if no one can flesh them out they will just have
to stay on the check list until such time as one of us can get to
Lawrenceville (I'll also say that the ease with which these popped up
suggests to me that there is a lot more in Lawrenceville than what we already
have).

1) "Brunswick Co. will book vol 1 pg 88"..........nothing on page 88 that I
was able to find.

2) "(1) 1754 Charles Poythress named in Alexander Walker's will (will book 3
pg 515)"...........I was unable to find.

3) "(2) John Potess 1760 (will book 3 pg 648)"

4) "(6) Thomas Poythress 1783 mentioned as selling 514 acres to William
Warwick"

5 "(12) witness on deed of John Edmundson Joshua Poythress, Jr."


Maynard		08/10/2000 12:20:58
MEAPOcoppesHi:

I am Marti (Martha Hillis Rowland Coppes) and I have just joined your
Poythress list, having been given the information and an invitation by
Maynard yesterday.

I have just finished reading several past correspondences with regard to
MEAPO. I note that Martha Dixon wrote that MEAPO was the daughter of Thomas
James P. The information I have shows:

Elizabeth M. Poythress (b) 26 Jan. 1788, daughter of George and Harriet
Poythress(I note in some of your correspondence, that there is listed an
Elizabeth M. born to George P. and 2nd wife Mary Turner Lawson) marrying:

(1) abt 1804, John Lyddall Dixon: The 4 children of Elizabeth M. P.& John
Lyddall Dixon being born between the years 1805 and 1811.
The information states "J.L. Dixon was a violin master and had a very old
violin and a gold horseshoe pin and that Elizabeth M.P. was a talented
pianist and teacher". John L. Dixon buried Burke City, Ga.

(2) Laban Odom: The 4 children of Elizabeth M. P. and Laban Odom being born
between the years 1818 and 1828.
Elizabeth M. P. D.O. and Laban Odom are buried in the Bethany cemetary,
Girard, Ga.

This information comes from the application for membership in the N.S. Magna
Charter Dames for Mrs. J.C. Lane and Miss Martha Jane Martin Dixon. This
information was supplied to my mother by Martha Dixon in 1972.

Has this been proven to be wrong and now MEAPO is the daughter of Thomas
James Poythress? I would appreciate any comments.

Sincerely,
Marti		08/11/2000 6:05:24
Brunswick County ReferencesCraig Scott, bookdealer par excellence, is also a Poythress researcher and
gives us great, personalized service. His company WillowBend Books is at:
WillowBend@willowbend.net

Craig will be pleased to hear from you if you have an interest in any of the
Brunswick County references listed below. As we post up the document
sequences for each county, I have asked Craig to send to the Poythress List
his always extensive list of
books available on that particular county.

Many us have dealt with Craig over the years and he is an unfailingly great
source for
books as well as advice on where to look for things.

Best,

Maynard

THE LIST:

MARRIAGE RECORDS OF BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA, 1730-1852. . Augusta B.
Fothergill. An unusually complete collection of extant marriage records is
based upon not only the surviving marriage bonds but also marriages
reconstructed from wills, deeds, and estate settlement. Identifies
approximately 7,500 Brunswick County brides, grooms, parents, and sureties.
(1953), 1999, paper, index, 153 pp. [CC1034] $18.50

MARRIAGE BONDS AND MINISTERS' RETURNS OF BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA,
1750-1810. Catherine Lindsay Knorr. (1953), 1982, index, map, 146 pp.
[SH8868] $18.50

BRUNSWICK COUNTY MARRIAGES, 1750-1853.. John Vogt & T. William Kethley, Jr.
Brunswick County was established in 1720 as part of the economic expansion
of tobacco cultivation into Southside Virginia. However, the new county did
not commence to function as a separate political entity until 1733. The
early marriage records of this county do not begin until 1750. A total of
3,364 bonds have been transcribed covering the years 1750-1853. Also
incorporated into these entries are ministers' returns whenever available
(1,919 in all). The records of Brunswick County generally contain parents'
names, bondsmen, consents, and some miscellaneous information as auxiliary
data to the bride and groom's name. Along with Dinwiddie and Amelia
counties, Brunswick County forms an important "stem" county for the
examination of the Southside in the eighteenth century. All three counties
derived from parent Prince George County (1703). 1988, xiii, 296 pages,
figures, appendices, map. [IB1189] $17.00

BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA WILL BOOKS, Volume 1, Will Books 2 and 3, 1739
-1769 and 1783 - 1785. Stephen E. Bradley, Jr. This volume contains
abstracts of wills from Will Books 1 and 2. Persons, relationships, land, and
features out of the ordinary are included. It included not only wills but
inventories, estate sales, administrations, accounts and a number of deeds.
8 x 11 177 pp. [SB2916] $25.00

BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA WILL BOOKS, Volume 2, Will Books 4 and 5 (in
part), 1761 - 1780. Stephen E. Bradley, Jr. This volume contains abstracts
of wills from Will Books 4 and the first hundred pages of Will Book 5.
Persons, relationships, land, and features out of the ordinary are
included. It included not only wills but inventories, estate sales,
administrations,
and accounts. 8 x 11 119 pp. [SB4602] $25.00

BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA WILL BOOKS, Volume 3, Will Books 5, 1780 - 1795.
Stephen E. Bradley, Jr. This volume contains abstracts of wills from Will
Book 5 except for the first hundred pages. Persons, relationships, land,
and features out of the ordinary are included. It included not only wills but
inventories, estate sales, administrations, and accounts. 8 x 11 119 pp.
[SB2915] $25.00

BRUNSWICK COUNTY VIRGINIA WILL BOOKS. Volume 4: 1795-1804. Stephen E
Bradley Jr. Continues the series. . [SB7665] $25.00

BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA, WILL BOOKS: Volume 5 1804-1812. Stephen E.
Bradley, Jr. 1998, 8½x11, paper, 153 pp. [SB9616] $25.00

BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS: Volume 1, 1732 - 1745. Stephen E.
Bradley, Jr. This volume contains abstracts of deeds from Deed Books 1 and
2. Persons, relationships, land, and features out of the ordinary are
included. 8 x 11 114 pp. [SB2917] $25.00

BRUNSWICK COUNTY VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS: Volume 2, 1744-1755. Stephen E
Bradley. Continues the series. . [SB7669] $25.00

BRUNSWICK COUNTY VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS: Volume 3, 1755-1764. Stephen E
Bradley Jr. Continues the series. . [SB7670] $25.00

BRUNSWICK COUNTY VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS: Volume 4, 1765 - 1770. Stephen E
Bradley Jr. Continues the series. . [SB7671] $25.00

BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA, DEED BOOKS: Volume 5, 1770-1775. Stephen E
.Bradley, Jr. 1998, 8½x11, paper, 135 pp. [SB9617] $25.00

BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS : Volume 6, 1776-1787. . Continues the
series of Brunswick County, Virginia deed records for 1766 to 1787. In 1781
Brunswick County, the eastern boundary changed with the forming of
Greensville County, and again in 1787 when the south east of the county was
ceded to Greensville. 1999, 8½x11, paper, index, 139 pp. [SB3909] $25.00

BRUNSWICK COUNTY VIRGINIA "PUBLICK" CLAIMS. . Continues the series. 58 pp.
[IB7492] $7.50

REGISTER OF FREE NEGROES AND OF DOWER SLAVES, BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA,
1803-1850. Frances Holloway Wynne. During the colonial period of virginia,
free Negroes had to register with the county of residence or run the risk of
being apprehended and sold as slaves. This is a verbatim transcript
showing name, age, distinguishing marks, free birth or emancipation (and by
whom),
and date. A few show previous residencies and occupation. Although the
practice ceased in 1865, no registrations have been found in Brunswick
County for the period 1850-1865. Map of area showing contiguous counties
and dates of formation. Abstract of free blacks from federal censuses for
1830 and 1840. Justices of the Peace are listed by years of office. 1983,
6x9, cloth, x+219 pp. [WY7912] $25.00

INDIVIDUAL 1787 TAX LISTS FOR VIRGINIA: BRUNSWICK. Netti Schreiner-Yantis.
A better substitute for the 1790 census of Virginia. It is estimated that
between 95% and 98% of all white tithables can be located in the state. .
[GB1853] $4.50		08/11/2000 8:29:01
William Byrd diariesLou PooleAll, I checked the Dallas library today for the published "Secret
Diaries" of William Byrd. In short we only have one, the one that
covers the period 1709-1712 (and we have that in two separate books).
But I found the following note in Louis B. Wright's and Marion
Tinling's, "The Great American Gentleman, William Byrd of Westover in
Virginia," [G.P. Putnam's Sons, New York, 1963], p. 4:

"Byrd became known as a diarist when the first section of his secret
shorthand diary turned up in the Huntington Library and was edited by
Louis B. Wright and Marion Tinling as "The Secret Diary of William
Byrd of Westover 1709-1712 (Richmond, Va., the Dietz Press, 1941). In
the meantime, Miss Maude Woodfin had discovered another portion of the
diary at the University of North Carolina, which Mrs. Tinling
transcribed. This was edited by Miss Woodfin and Mrs. Tinling as
"Another Secret Diary of William Byrd of Westover 1739-1741 with
Letters and Literary Exercises 1696-1726" (Richmond, Va., Dietz Press,
1942). Still a third portion was discovered in the Virginia
Historical Society and was edited by Louis B. Wright and Marion Tinlin
as "William Byrd of Virginia, the London Diary (1717-1721) and Other
Writings" (New York, Oxford University Press, 1958). ALL THREE
VOLUMES ARE STILL IN PRINT." [written in 1963!]

So Dallas library has only the one -- the 1709-1712 one [Louis B.
Wright and Marion Tinling, "The Secret Diary of William Byrd of
Westover 1709-1712," the Dietz Press, Richmond, Va., 1941]. I did go
through the index and find all references to the name Poythress. In
this book, only Peter Poythress was mentioned, and following are the
UNEDITED, full entries for each day where he was named.

pp. 417-418
8 Oct. 1711: "I rose about 7 o'clock and read nothing because I
prepared myself to ride to Major Harrison's. I said a short prayer
and ate boiled milk for breakfast. About 10 o'clock I got over the
river and proceeded on my journey but went a little out of my way.
However I got there about one o'clock and found the Governor, Colonel
Harrison, and Colonel Ludwell, which last had been sick. They
reproached me for staying so long, but I excused myself because the
express had not brought me the letter till yesterday. About 2 o'clock
we went to dinner and I ate boiled beef for my part. After dinner we
sat in council concerning the Indians and some of the Tributaries came
before us who promised to be very faithful to us. It was agreed to
send PETER POYTHRESS* to the Tuscaroras to treat them and to demand
the Baron Graffenriedt** who was prisoner among the Indians. It was
also resolved that the militia of Prince George, Surry, and Isle of
Wight should rendezvous at Nottoway*** town on Wednesday next and the
Governor be there with them to show some part of our strength to the
Indians. In the evening came several gentlemen and Mr. Bland among
them with letters of the Governor from Carolina which told him how
backward the people of that country were to [advantage] themselves.
About 10 o'clock we went to bed. Colonel Ludwell and I lay together.
I neglected to say my prayers but had good health, good thoughts, and
good humor, thank God Almighty."

Footnotes:
* "An Indian trader and interpreter."
** Baron Christopher de Graffenriedt, a Swiss, who was instrumental in
settling Swiss and Palatine Germans in North Carolina. He, with John
Lawson, surveyor-general of North Carolina, was responsible for the
settlement of New Bern, North Carolina. When the Tuscarora Indians
revolted in 1711, De Graffenriedt and Lawson were captured. De
Graffenriedt was later released but Lawson was burned at the stake.
See the diary of October 19, 1711. Additional information about the
two men will be found in the 'Dictionary of American Biography'."
*** "Isle of Wight County."

pp. 423-424
19 Oct 1711: "I rose about 6 o'clock and found it cold. We drank
chocolate with the Governor and about 9 o'clock got on our horses and
waited on the Governor to see him put the foot in order. [He] divided
the companies and made them about 50 men each, and made captains over
them, though when he came to Surry he found it difficult to get
captains because everybody refused the Governor and made him so angry
that he swore at several which was a thing he seldom did. The Doctor
went away about 10 o'clock privately with pretence to some business
but it was to go to Mrs. Russell. We ate gingerbread all day long and
saw the Governor exercise the foot. I drew up the volunteers into a
company or troop and commanded them under the name of the Governor's
Guard and we placed ourselves on the right. About 3 o'clock the
Tuscarora Indians came with their guard and MR. POYTHRESS with them.
He told the Governor that the Baron was alive and would be released
but that Mr. Lawson was killed because he had been so foolish as to
threaten the Indian that had taken him. About 6 o'clock we went to
dinner and I ate some roast mutton. At night some of my troop went
with me into town to see the girls and kissed them without proceeding
any further, and we had like to have been kept out by the captain of
the guard. However at last they let us in and we went to bed about 2
o'clock in the morning. I neglected to say my prayers but had good
health, good thoughts, and good humor, thank God Almighty."

pp. 472-473
21 Jan 1712: "I rose about 7 o'clock and read a chapter in Hebrew and
some Greek in Lucian. I said my prayers and ate boiled milk for
breakfast. I danced my dance. The weather was clear and pretty warm.
I was out of humor because I missed a book out of the library which I
thought my wife had taken for Mrs. Dunn without my knowledge, but she
denied it. MR. PETER POYTHRESS came to our house and brought me a
letter from my brother Custis who told me the Governor was angry about
what I had said concerning the L20,000. He stayed and dined and I ate
roast mutton for dinner. In the afternoon came Mr. M-r-s-l and told
me all were well at Falling Creek except Jacky who was grown worse in
the his arm again. I settled accounts with him. About 4 o'clock came
Mr. Mumford and told me all was well at Appomattox. In the evening I
took a walk. At night I ate some mutton with Mr. Mumford. I said my
prayers and had good health, good thoughts, and good humor, thank God
Almighty."

P. 481
5 Feb 1712: "I rose about 8 o'clock, my wife kept me so long in bed
where I rogered her. I read nothing because I put my matters in
order. I neglected to say my prayers but ate boiled milk for
breakfast. My wife caused several of the people to be whipped for
laziness. I settled accounts and put several matters in order till
dinner. I ate some boiled beef. In the afternoon I ordered my sloop
to go to Colonel Eppes' for some poplar trees for the Governor and
then I went to visit Mrs. Harrison that I found in a small way. She
entertained me with apples and bad wine and I stayed with her till
evening and then I took a walk about my plantation. When I returned I
learned PETER POYTHRESS had been here. At night I read some Latin. I
said my prayers and had good health, good thoughts, and good humor,
thank God Almighty. I rogered my wife again."

p. 495
4 Mar 1712: "I rose about 7 o'clock and read some Hebrew but no Greek
because I prepared to go to the wedding of Mrs. Anne B-k-r. However I
said my prayers and ate boiled milk for breakfast. I danced my dance.
It threatened rain but about 10 o'clock it began to snow, but that did
not discourage us from our journey and a little after 10 we set out in
the coach and got to Colonel Hill's before 12. We did not find much
company there but only the relations and some of the next neighbors.
About 12 o'clock MR. POYTHRESS* and Mrs. Anne B-k-r were married and
about 2 we went to dinner and I ate some boiled tongue for dinner. We
continued very grave till the evening and then we danced and were very
merry. My daughter went with us and behaved herself very prettily.
About 11 o'clock we went to bed. I neglected to say my prayers but
had good health, good thoughts, and good humor, thank God Almighty. I
was extremely merry."

Footnote:

* "Probably PETER POYTHRESS. In Wm. Q. (1), XV, 45-71, there is a
detailed study of the Poythress family. The name of Peter's wife is
unknown. But he had a only daughter and heir named Anne born December
13, 1712."

pp. 498-499
11 Mar 1712: "I rose about 6 o'clock and read a little Greek but no
Hebrew because I prepared for my journey to Major Harrison's. I said
my prayers and ate boiled milk for breakfast. About 8 o'clock Mr.
Mumford went away. John G-r-l was not well and I caused him to be
bled and then he found himself better. The weather was clear and
cold; however I went over the river about 11 o'clock and then
proceeded on my journey to Major Harrison's where I go about 3 o'clock
and [found] him at home but he was indisposed in his breast, for which
I persuaded him to enter into a milk diet. About 5 o'clock I ate some
bacon and fowl for dinner. In the evening PETER POYTHRESS came with
14 of the Tuscarora Indians whom he was going to conduct to the
Governor. They told us the Carolina men had killed no more than about
20 old men and women of their people and had taken about 30 children
prisoners when all the young men were not at home, that the Tuscarora
could [cut] them all off but that they saw some English among them
which hindered them and their business with the Governor was to give
the reason why they could not perform their articles and to inquire
whether they might defend themselves in case they're attacked. We
were merry till about 9 o'clock and then retired. I neglected to say
my prayers but had good health, good thoughts, and good humor, thank
God Almighty."

pp. 501-502
16 Mar 1712: "I read a chapter in Hebrew and three chapters in the
Greek Testament. I said my prayers and ate boiled milk for breakfast.
I danced my dance. My wife continued indisposed but G-r-l and Jenny
were better. The wind continued violent but not so cold. About 11
o'clock I went to church where Mr. Anderson gave us a good sermon.
After, I asked him, Colonel Hill, and the ladies to go with us to
dinner and I ate some roast shoat. In the afternoon PETER POYTHRESS
came over and told me the Governor received the Tuscoraras very coldly
and ordered them to go and help the people of Carolina cut off Hancock
town, which they said they would. About 4 o'clock the company went
away and I took a walk about the plantation and found all well. At
night I read a little English. Both my wife and Mrs. Dunn were
indisposed. I said my prayers and had good health, good thoughts, and
good humor, thank God Almighty."		08/11/2000 12:27:49
Jimmy Earl PoythressI recently received a letter inquiry from a Ms. Betty Fanning of Lynchburg,
Tennessee on a Jimmy Earl Poythress.

She did not provide any real background information to go on, but thought the
name just might stir someone's memory.

To quote a paragraph from Ms. Fanning's letter: quote... "I am very
interested in tracing back my mother's family, the Evans, who lived in Moore
County for many, many years. In reading my great-aunt Margaret's diary I
kept running across a name I'd never heard before. It was Jimmy Earl
Poythress, who never actually married into the family (but should have
according to Aunt Margaret's diary)... unquote.

I assume this Jimmy Earl Poythress also lived in Moore County, TN but that is
just a guess on my part.

How did this young lady find me? Well, I can only surmise it was because --
I am now recognized as a "Tennessee Squire" by the good folks of the Jack
Daniel Distillery of Moore County, TN either because they though I'd drank a
sufficient quantity of Jack Daniel's to qualify as a Tennessee Squire -- or
at least they hoped I would (for business reasons that is), and I
periodically receive literature from that company. ....... So, evidently
this young lady pick up on my name and address through that organization.

So if that name registers with anyone I'd appreciate some info that I might
pass along to Ms. Fanning.

Thanks,

L. R. "Bud" Poythress
Wilmington, NC





08/13/2000 10:56:53
William Byrd diariesCharles NealLou,

Been out of town, so behind on reading my email & responding to messages.
Thanks so much for locating the elusive Poythress mentions in the Wm Byrd
Diaries of 1709-1712. Interesting to see that all the mentions at that
time were all PETER Poythress, and the one from later years mentioned
JOSHUA Poythress.

Barbara		08/14/2000 6:54:12
Re: Search Protocol QuestionWillow Bend BooksThe sanitized version and now expanded version of my response to Maynard's
question is:

Every search engine is different. Some are case sensitive, some don't like
quotes, some are down right useless.

So use multiple search sites like AskJeeves or Bookfinder.com that use
multiple search engines. I believe that there is an inverse proportion
between how bad you want to find something and your ability to find it.

My experience using AskJeeves is that the AltaVista search engine finds what
I am looking for more often than not.


Craig




----- Original Message -----
From: "Lou Poole"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 6:48 PM
Subject: RE: Search Protocol Question


> Boy, I'd like to hear the answer to this one! Until now it hadn't
> crossed my threshold that there might be a difference. But I suspect
> that part of the answer is which search engine one is using.
>
> If Craig or Lyn, or anyone else, knows the answer to Maynard's
> question, I hope you'll answer to the whole list.
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: VKRatliff@aol.com [mailto:VKRatliff@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 1:40 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Search Protocol Question
>
>
> Craig or Lyn.....as our remaining expert PC gurus, is it true about
> search
> engines that their discrimnant function can snooker you if you don't
> put
> names in just so for a genealogical search?
>
> I recently read that this is the deal:
>
> 1) that putting in, for example, "Scott", eliminates from the
> selection the
> "full caps"
> (SCOTT) in which many genealogical documents designate surnames. So,
> in
> effect, you are eliminating all the SCOTTs which stands a chance of
> being a
> big part of the
> genealogical listings. You'll never get them because you didn't "ask"
> for
> them.
>
> 2) that putting in SCOTT in caps eleminates the Scotts and scotts,
> same logic
> as above.
>
> 3) BUT, the way to cover the board is to put in scott because engines
> are set
> to accept lower case and "give you" the upper case in whole or in part
> as a
> bonus.....just while its at it. I was told, yep, 2 and 3 are not
> consistant
> logic; but thats just the way engines work.
>
> So therefore,one should always search as "scott" and thereby cover the
> waterfront: getting all the combinations, SCOTT, scott, AND Scott?
>
> This so?
>
> Maynard
>
>
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>
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>
>		08/15/2000 1:02:24
MEAPOCharles NealMarti,

I don't know whether Maynard or Bud, or one of the others may have
responded to your 8/11 message off-List while I was out of town. They have
more thorough understanding of this/these "Elizabeth M. Poythress" and
"MEAPO" lady/ladies than I do. I can never recall (without digging thru
tons of old message info, which I don't have time to do right now) just
what "MEAPO" stands for: the initials don't seem to fit real well with
Elizabeth M Poythress, 1st married to a Dixon, and 2nd married to an Odom.

I am curious about your message asking whether she has been proved to be
the daughter of Thomas James Poythress. (You mentioned Martha Dixon wrote
she was.) His name isn't familiar enough to me to ring a clear bell,
either, so my memory could be off-base here, but my recollection from
earlier messages about MEAPO is that no, she hasn't been *proved* to be his
daughter or to be the daughter of George Poythress either.

Sorry I can't offer more help, but if you did get good help off-List on
your questions (copied below), be assured that I would appreciate learning
more on the subject.

Barbara
= = = = == = =
From: "coppes"
Subject: MEAPO
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:05:24 -0700
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Hi:
I am Marti (Martha Hillis Rowland Coppes) and I have just joined your
Poythress list, having been given the information and an invitation by
Maynard yesterday.

I have just finished reading several past correspondences with regard to
MEAPO. I note that Martha Dixon wrote that MEAPO was the daughter of
Thomas James P. The information I have shows:

Elizabeth M. Poythress (b) 26 Jan. 1788, daughter of George and Harriet
Poythress(I note in some of your correspondence, that there is listed an
Elizabeth M. born to George P. and 2nd wife Mary Turner Lawson) marrying:

(1) abt 1804, John Lyddall Dixon: The 4 children of Elizabeth M. P.& John
Lyddall Dixon being born between the years 1805 and 1811. The information
states "J.L. Dixon was a violin master and had a very old violin and a gold
horseshoe pin and that Elizabeth M.P. was a talented pianist and teacher".
John L. Dixon buried Burke City, Ga.

(2) Laban Odom: The 4 children of Elizabeth M. P. and Laban Odom being
born between the years 1818 and 1828.
Elizabeth M. P. D.O. and Laban Odom are buried in the Bethany cemetary,
Girard, Ga.

This information comes from the application for membership in the N.S.
Magna Charter Dames for Mrs. J.C. Lane and Miss Martha Jane Martin Dixon.
This information was supplied to my mother by Martha Dixon in 1972.

Has this been proven to be wrong and now MEAPO is the daughter of Thomas
James Poythress? I would appreciate any comments.

Sincerely,
Marti		08/15/2000 3:07:16
Re: MEAPOCharles NealBud sent the following info on MEAPO direct to me; I'm sending it on to the List.
Barbara

In a message dated 8/15/2000 10:09:23 PM Atlantic Daylight Time,
BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com writes:

<< I don't know whether Maynard or Bud, or one of the others may have
responded to your 8/11 message off-List while I was out of town. They have
more thorough understanding of this/these "Elizabeth M. Poythress" and
"MEAPO" lady/ladies than I do. I can never recall (without digging thru
tons of old message info, which I don't have time to do right now) just
what "MEAPO" stands for: the initials don't seem to fit real well with
Elizabeth M Poythress, 1st married to a Dixon, and 2nd married to an Odom.
>>


Hi Barbara:

I believe you're on the right track but those initials -- "MEAPO" stands
for "Martha Elizabeth Amanda Poythress Odom" - (b. 1/26/1786 apparently in VA
& d. 10/5/1861 in Burke Co., GA) who was reported to have been the d/o Thomas
James (& Martha ?) Poythress. However we do question her parentage as she
would have been born about 15 years after Thomas & Martha's 5th and youngest
son (Lewis Poythress - now this name should be familiar to you!). She just
may have been the d/o of Thomas James Poythress, "Jr." ???? rather than Sr.

But that is all I know or have on her, other than she married twice, first to
John Dixon and they had 4 children; then second to Lavan Odum and they too
had 4 children.

I hope this helps.

Regards to all,

Bud




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Search Protocol QuestionCraig or Lyn.....as our remaining expert PC gurus, is it true about search
engines that their discrimnant function can snooker you if you don't put
names in just so for a genealogical search?

I recently read that this is the deal:

1) that putting in, for example, "Scott", eliminates from the selection the
"full caps"
(SCOTT) in which many genealogical documents designate surnames. So, in
effect, you are eliminating all the SCOTTs which stands a chance of being a
big part of the
genealogical listings. You'll never get them because you didn't "ask" for
them.

2) that putting in SCOTT in caps eleminates the Scotts and scotts, same logic
as above.

3) BUT, the way to cover the board is to put in scott because engines are set
to accept lower case and "give you" the upper case in whole or in part as a
bonus.....just while its at it. I was told, yep, 2 and 3 are not consistant
logic; but thats just the way engines work.

So therefore,one should always search as "scott" and thereby cover the
waterfront: getting all the combinations, SCOTT, scott, AND Scott?

This so?

Maynard		08/15/2000 8:39:50
RE: Search Protocol QuestionLou PooleBoy, I'd like to hear the answer to this one! Until now it hadn't
crossed my threshold that there might be a difference. But I suspect
that part of the answer is which search engine one is using.

If Craig or Lyn, or anyone else, knows the answer to Maynard's
question, I hope you'll answer to the whole list.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com [mailto:VKRatliff@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 1:40 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Search Protocol Question


Craig or Lyn.....as our remaining expert PC gurus, is it true about
search
engines that their discrimnant function can snooker you if you don't
put
names in just so for a genealogical search?

I recently read that this is the deal:

1) that putting in, for example, "Scott", eliminates from the
selection the
"full caps"
(SCOTT) in which many genealogical documents designate surnames. So,
in
effect, you are eliminating all the SCOTTs which stands a chance of
being a
big part of the
genealogical listings. You'll never get them because you didn't "ask"
for
them.

2) that putting in SCOTT in caps eleminates the Scotts and scotts,
same logic
as above.

3) BUT, the way to cover the board is to put in scott because engines
are set
to accept lower case and "give you" the upper case in whole or in part
as a
bonus.....just while its at it. I was told, yep, 2 and 3 are not
consistant
logic; but thats just the way engines work.

So therefore,one should always search as "scott" and thereby cover the
waterfront: getting all the combinations, SCOTT, scott, AND Scott?

This so?

Maynard


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The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		08/15/2000 11:48:04
MEAPOcoppesHi:

Barbara, thank you for your reply. 🙂

I note, in my introduction posting, that I did not show my lineage to
Elizabeth M. Poythress Dixon Odom. With respect to her first marriage
(1804) to John Lyddall Dixon, thru their youngest son William (same line as
Martha Dixon's) she would be Amanda Jane (Mobley )Rowland's Great
Grandmother. And, her second marriage(after 1812 and before 1818) to Laban
Odom, thru their first son Beverly Randall Odom, she would be Levin Chester
Rowland, Sr.'s Great Grandmother (Amanda Jane Mobley and Levin Chester
Rowland, Sr. were husband and wife and are my Grandmother and Grandfather,
respectively; their son Levin Chester Rowland, Jr., being my father).

I have been reading more "old" posts on this site and have a few more
questions.

In a letter written to Maynard from Martha Dixon:

1. "Grave Markers in Burke County, Ga: Page 25, Elizabeth Odum Jan 26,
1788 -Oct 5, 1861 (in 1950 "Elizabeth M. Odum" was visible and a rubbing
revealed the birth year as 1788).

2. 1850 census for 68th GMD (Ga. Mil. Dist. ? - [it's the 68th Dist)] Burke
Co., Ga states Elizabeth Odom was born in Va." [ it shows her age as 63]

I note in several correspondences that the Poythress families have been
placed in Ga. between 1786-1787. If this is so, how is Elizabeth M. born
1788 in Va.?

In George Poythress' Will, dated 1829, he mentions his daughter Mary
Elizabeth Mandell. Do we know if Mandell is her married name? If it is, I
guess that would rule her out as to being MEAPO.
I read in another post:
"Burke...H.H. #299 1860
John C. Poythress 62 M Planter Ga
Mary E. Mandell 28 F Ga
Ann E. 11 F Ga
We know John C. Poythress is son of George Poythress, one time sheriff of
Burke County and certainly deceased by this time"

Martha Dixon stated that "Martha Elizabeth Amanda Poythress Dixon Odom had
been educated at the Waynesborough (Burke County, Ga) Academy". Does anyone
know if there are records available for this academy?

All for Now.

Marti		08/17/2000 9:39:57
Waynesboro CollegeI drove through the place yesterday on my way back from Screven County family
reunion. Waynesboro itself HARDLY still exists but somebody has to have the
records regardless of whether the college exists or not (unless Sherman
burned the place down.....it was right on his route so that is a distinct
possibility).

Suggestion: go to Rootsweb index (http://www.usgenweb.com/index.html) go to
Ga. and go to Burke and just post the question. My guess is somebody will
lay an answer on you in about 60 seconds.

Maynard		08/21/2000 12:31:38
James P. PoythressSubj: Re: Families of Burke County
Date: 8/24/00 5:37:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: dogtown@tds.net (James Smith)
To: VKRatliff@aol.com

Cousin Maynard,

Thanks for copy of your recent research -- can you tell me how you
believe ole James POYTHRESS down here in Gadsden Co., FL ca. 1827 with
those land patents relate to John C. (Carter) and George POYTHRESS over
there in Burke Co., GA? Brothers maybe??

Appreciate it!
Linda Clark Smith

Subj: Re: Families of Burke County
Date: 8/24/00
To: dogtown@tds.net

Linda....what a question!

Well, its tough to pin down James P. Poythress when I can't even get George
straight.

My theory is (and please let me emphasize that I may be flattering the thing
to even call it a "theory") I'm sort of winging it off the 1805 Georgia Land
Lottery records which serve as a very poor census substitute. (If you don't
have this Land Lottery study, I have it digitalized and will be happy to send
it to you).

Thomas Poythress arrives Burke County with sons Meredith, Sr., George, Edward,
Thomas, Jr. and William somewhere mid-1780s. (all those guys sons?...likely
there is a nephew or maybe even two in there).

They are ALL in Burke until 1793 when Screven is created out of Burke and a
teeny piece of Effingham. Meredith Sr. and William thereby now live in
Screven and they registered for the 1805 land lottery with consecutive
registration numbers so that says some kind of kin (it was a long mule ride
to the Courthouse), either brothers or uncle-nephew....... son-father is
unlikely because we know both the father and the "issue" of Meredith, Sr. and
"William" is not in there.

Thomas dies around 1801, thereby leaving wife Martha/Patsy, maybe George and
Edward and Thomas Jr., and remotely possible a late-in-life daughter Mary
Elizabeth Amanda Poythress. Its even more likely that MEAP is daughter of
somebody OTHER THAN this original Thomas. George, Martha, and Edward
register (registration was in 1803) for '05 lottery, Thomas is already dead,
and MEAP (above) is a non-starter as a child; because Martha/Patsy is still
alive Martha, Jr. is not technically an orphan and doesn't achieve any
"drawing" rights (by the 1805 rules).

The "orphans of Thomas Poythress" win land in 1807 lottery (after the first
lottery they began only publishing "winners" (or, as they called them
"fortunate drawers")
and didn't keep the registration records.

Be careful with this one because its what we probably WANT it to be (all the
pieces will sort of fall in place): George's crowd WINS land in the 1807,
accompanied by brother Thomas Jr. and LITTLE Martha Elizabeth Ann Poythress
(Martha her mother having died between 1803 and 1807)....they now have TWO
people who are technically orphans, take the draw for which TWO orphans are
required.....and win.

Still missing to various degrees are:

George's brother Lewis who stays back in Mecklenburg Co., VA. We have him
nailed pretty well as George cites in his will that Lewis is a brother and
that he is in Mecklenburg Co. Lewis is very likely the progenitor of Lyn
Baird and Barbara Poythress Neal on the wire.

Edmund who just falls through the cracks on us after showing in a document or
2.

Francis...probably came from Va. straight to Hancock/Greene Counties and then
we lose him, he is likely Virginia related to that Wagnon family that pop up
with several sons with Poythress as a middle name.

Joseph.....b. 1800, likely comes from Virginia to Warren County, marries a
Warren County gal named Mary, moves to Troup County (LaGrange, GA), makes a
bloody fortune, and raises a world class dysfunctional family which
eventually just drops off the radar screen. Just as a wild guess I would say
the residue of the family moves west to Alabama following the Civil War,
perhaps just across the Chattahoochee R. because there is no evidence of a
connection with Barbara Poythress Neal's crowd in west Alabama.

James P. Poythress.....why didn't he draw in any of the lotteries.....he
probably wasn't old enough to draw in the 1805/07 lotteries and only if he
WON in any of the subsequent lotteries would his name be published. The very
likely conjecture is that he DID register, he just didn't win anything.

Along about here (although I know almost nothing about his origins) it seems
logical to dial in James P. Poythress as a second generation of one of the
1780-90 crowd.
Why do I say second generation? Well, generation # 1 (all of whom came from
Va.)
are getting up in years far enough to have James P. Poythress as a son.
Also, 50-60 year old guys in 1820 didn't usually (without an awfully good
reason) pull up stakes and move several hundred miles....we can assume that
takes some vigor....or at least likely more vigor than generation # 1 still
has left. Therefore, lets call James P. Poythress , say, around 25-35 when
he leaves for Florida. Also, and I'm asking on this one, doesn't he sire his
son James Price Poythress and several others AFTER he reaches Gadsden County,
FL?

If I just HAD to make a wild guess to pick his father, I'd be inclined to
choose Thomas, Jr. despite being without even a likely shred of evidence.
There is some totally unsubstantiated evidence that the middle name for both
Thomas, Sr. and Thomas, Jr. is "James" and those guys did mortally love to
hang onto those family names. Plus, each of the others, for various reasons,
just don't "look to be" James P. Poythess' father. And George, et al. look
to be the previous generation. But to directly answer your question: if
George was an UNCLE to James P. Poythress, then James P. and John Carter
Poythress (George's son) would be first cousins.

Caveat: all of the above is a slender reed to be leaning on. Just take it as
a "remotely possible."

Maynard		08/24/2000 7:49:58
John P. PoythressJames SmithAs to Maynard's question re my Great Grandfather, John P. Poythress,
Gadsden Co., FL, our "POYTHRESS Family Record" book indicates the
following:

John P. POYTHRESS was borned in Gadsden County Florida
September the 19 AD 1833

The above is typed exactly as written. Yes, I have been given names of
several other POYTHRESS children born in late 1820s - believed to be his
sibblings. Will look those up and get back with ya'll later on that.

Linda Clark Smith		08/24/2000 12:32:47
Dr. LaneMarti: I sort of figured him to be a sweet guy way up in years. PC's
buffalo him but hey, I sure don't have anything to brag about. I'm a spastic
myself.

Re: finding that land the "Orphans of Thomas Poythress" drew. I'm very, very
surprised "the pro" he hired couldn't dig that one out to some "final
conclusion" even if it was a 'bad' conclusion." Its not that big a deal, it
just can just take forever to do.
Maybe Dr. Lane put a dollar limit on the pro who knows what we do: it may be
a full two week job.

If the winner didn't "take up" the land (pay the $40 deed fee to the state,
and this happened frequently) then the land just went in to an auction pool
and speculators who were trying to put together large contiguous tracts
bought the "lot" off the auction block. That's easy to find because there
were only about a half dozen of those guys doing that and their names will
show on the deed. And even if a guy who bought it wasn't one of the "regular"
accumulators bought it HIS name will show on the deed.

However, even the buyer's name gets you absolutely nowhere. The "seller"
will have been "the State of Georgia" because the title reverted to the state
who then put it on the auction block and the buyer will be Joe so and so and
thats the end of the line in terms of finding anything out about the "Orphans
of.".

To maybe say it simpler, if the Orphans of Thomas Poythress never paid the
$40 deed fee and thus were never at any point in time the "owners of record"
when the land got ultimately sold it was the State of Ga. who sold it and the
speculator who bought it and that doesn't do a thing for us. The "Orphans
of" have just vanished in the process. They never paid the $40 so they never
owned the land and never "had a title."

Possibility "B": However, if the "Orphans of Thomas Poythress" did indeed pay
the $40 and take up the land (even if only to resell it) they would have (for
however brief or long a time) become "the owners of record" and when the land
was sold (whether sooner or later) it is highly likely that one or more of
the "orphans" would be cited by name as the seller in a deed to whomever and
the seller almost couldn't be so "vague" as just "orphans of Thomas
Poythress" on the document.

So, the trick is to follow the property until you come to "a" above...at
which point you give up. If you don't hit "a" then you likely have a chance
by going on to "b". The problem with "b" is that what was Wilkerson county in
1807 may have been split off multiple times (since Georgia has the most
counties of any state: 159 of them and they were splitting left and right
around 1807) and you have to fnd the deed IN the specific county AT THE TIME
in which the land was sold. And since you don't know WHEN it was sold and
you likely don't know precisely where the land is then you got to just keep
rooting. About the only place you can do the drill is the Georgia Archives
and its just a question of going through the deed books of EVERY county into
which Wilkerson split between 1807 and now. And that just takes forever.

You will notice from the land lottery study I spell out this "process" and
have done it on a few of the easy ones that just fell in my lap; namely, the
ones that were NOT "taken up" (they were typically 40 acres of "Gold land" in
north GA. and once the word got around that yeah, there was gold up there but
the concentration was so slight per ton of dirt that you had to build 500
feet of sluice trough to get an ounce of gold out of 500 tons of dirt, the
"winners" of the land just said "forget it"....and a speculator bought it
from the State at auction. Dead end. But dead end or not, if you intend to
do serious work in the first third of the 19th century in Georgia you
almost HAVE to understand this process of the Land Lotteries. Comparable
information is just not available elsewhere.

In a couple of other cases, I think I remember that the "fortunate drawers"
had paid the $40 deed fee and turned right around and sold the land; i. e.
took the money and ran. Those were pretty easy to find because the
transaction deed didn't "trail" the winning date by that long a period of
time and most often the county in which the land was "won" was also the
county in which the land was "sold" by the winners who had taken up the land.
It was almost hard NOT to find it. An example of this, without looking it
up, is that Meredith Poythress won 202 acres somewhere and turned right
around and sold it. That's in the write-up.

Now, if all of the above weren't nasty enough, there is yet another
possiblity.....not overwhelmingly likely but enough to get slight heartburn
over. Suppose the "Orphans of" or any one of them "took up" the land and
actually moved there and farmed the land and never sold it. NOW......you got
to read all the WILL books to see where the land went when the "orphan(s) of"
died, and shoot, the owner may have died intestate and the land gone to an
heir without paperwork. AAARGH.

Okay, so Dr. Lane says "I know where the land is" so seemingly it would be
easy to trace. Well, who is going to drive into the boonies of Wilkerson
County and is Dr. Lane going to tromp out into the woods and show it to you
and what do you "know" after he shows it to you? Well, you know what county
its in NOW (may still be Wilkerson if it was that easy for Dr. Lane to find)
but even if you know the precise lot number from the lottery survey, you
STILL have to just grind your way through all those deed books and if you
don't want to blow dust off of every corrugated box in the Wilkerson
Courthouse you just go to the Georgia Archives and grind your way through
maybe even three or four dozen rolls of often un-indexed microfilm.

And the only guy around that I see to do that, unfortunately, is me. But
this one is important to us so I may just start grinding until I'm brain dead
on my next shot at the archives which probably won't be until after the first
of the year. My guess is that Dr. Lane didn't pay that "pro" much of
anything but if the pro took any substantial amount of money from Dr. Lane,
the guy or gal ought to be skinned because the process ain't difficult once
you understand it, it just takes forever.

Okay......I'm brain dead already so on to other points:

County Donegal makes all kinds of sense. That place practically emptied into
the Carolinas and on to Georgia in the late 1700's, early 1800's. So, if one
is just going to reach into the air and grab a place to start Donegal isn't a
bad bet. Where does one start? I don't have any idea. Never done a bit of
work with Ireland.

Waynesboro Academy.....I had never heard of the place until you brought it up
so I'm afraid I can't help you there.

Best,

Maynard		08/25/2000 4:13:51
William T. PoythressIn a message dated 8/26/00 11:22:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dogtown@tds.net
writes:

<< Subj: [Fwd: TGS Quarterly]
Date: 8/26/00 11:22:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: dogtown@tds.net (James Smith)
To: VKRatliff@aol.com, annstrees@nefcom.net, jamesor@gtcom.net

In the most recent Quarterly of the Tallahassee Genealogy Society, I
found reference in the Index to: McGRIFF -- Ephaly, Sarah, & William.
(XIX Quarterly 3:8)

Also was an Index reference to: PRIJTHRESS (Poythress), William T.
(XIX Quarterly 1:23)


Sheila Martin of the TLH society has sent this message in reply to my
query concerning the information about the POYTHRESS and McGRIFF names.
Thought ya'll might be interested.

O.K. - Maynard Poythress, now I gotta get "the theory" back out & see if
I can find William T. POYTHRESS. Brother or uncle to my James P. --
What'a ya think about him?

Linda >>

Linda, there are about three of those Williams floating around down there in
roughly the same time frame as your James P. Poythress and I must confess I
haven't been able to do a thing with them.

Debra Poythress Freeman (Arizona) is on the listserver and perhaps you and
she can put something together. Address her "via" the list and all the
Poythress folks will likely get a look and offer something, even if its only
condolences. 🙂

Debbie, you don't suppose your William snuck off to Florida with a brother or
uncle
James P. Poythress, do you? He is obviously hard to get a handle on in
Screven County.

Maynard		08/26/2000 11:51:37
Re: POYTHRESS-D Digest V00 #75Debbie FreemanThis is in response to the following message:


<< Subj: [Fwd: TGS Quarterly]
Date: 8/26/00 11:22:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: dogtown@tds.net (James Smith)
To: VKRatliff@aol.com, annstrees@nefcom.net, jamesor@gtcom.net

In the most recent Quarterly of the Tallahassee Genealogy Society, I
found reference in the Index to: McGRIFF -- Ephaly, Sarah, & William.
(XIX Quarterly 3:8)

Also was an Index reference to: PRIJTHRESS (Poythress), William T.
(XIX Quarterly 1:23)


Sheila Martin of the TLH society has sent this message in reply to my
query concerning the information about the POYTHRESS and McGRIFF names.
Thought ya'll might be interested.

O.K. - Maynard Poythress, now I gotta get "the theory" back out & see if
I can find William T. POYTHRESS. Brother or uncle to my James P. --
What'a ya think about him?

Linda >>

Linda, there are about three of those Williams floating around down there in
roughly the same time frame as your James P. Poythress and I must confess I
haven't been able to do a thing with them.

Debra Poythress Freeman (Arizona) is on the listserver and perhaps you and
she can put something together. Address her "via" the list and all the
Poythress folks will likely get a look and offer something, even if its only
condolences. 🙂

Debbie, you don't suppose your William snuck off to Florida with a brother
or
uncle
James P. Poythress, do you? He is obviously hard to get a handle on in
Screven County.

Maynard


Maynard, I'm not understanding your question. What time frame are we talking
about that you think my Wm E. might have gone to FL? Are you saying he went
and came back?
I, personally, don't "see" him going anywhere after 1860, other than the
Civil War (he enlisted in 1861), and he was more out to hospital (almost all
of 1862) than he was fightin' in the War from what I see from his Pension
papers. He was discharged from his company in April 1865 in Greensboro, NC
and had been physically in hospital since Feb 1865 in Augusta, GA. No, I
don't see him goin' anywhere after 1860, he just wasn't physically fit.
Prior to that when he was younger, that's a possibility. He married Martha
J. in Dec 1857, in Screven Co, GA. They had their first child in Jan 1859
and their last child was born Aug 1886. States his occupation was "Farmer"
and he had a small tract of land he had to sell off by 1903 to pay "debts"
off - I'm assuming medical costs from his illnesses. He died Dec 1907 in
Screven Co., GA. With all these facts, I don't see him goin' any where. What
do you think?
Thanks,
Debbie
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com		08/27/2000 4:39:22
Wm. E. etc.Pls 'scuse me, Debbie. I had lost track of the time frames. Obviously your
Wm. E. is much later than Linda's James P. Poythress who migrated to Gadsden
Co., FL from Screven some time in the 1820's. Sorry.

Maynard		08/28/2000 11:21:33
Re: POYTHRESS-D Digest V00 #77Debbie FreemanNo problem. It must be one of those "senior" moments I've heard so much
about last year. 🙂

Glad to know I'm there just to keep you on the straight and narrow. I know,
you're just testing me to see if I'm paying attention. Good Job!

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09/01/2000 2:25:18
RE: ROLL CALLPoythress, LynnLynn Poythress

apoythress@csus.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com [mailto:VKRatliff@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 9:01 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: ROLL CALL


"Roll calls" (posting your name and e-mail addresss to the "board" in a
message) can get kind of silly on "county boards" on Rootsweb where very few

people know each other and the only common interest is in the same county.

However, in our case, with a listmeister gone over the hill, it makes very
good sense under certain scenarios, such as one we have now. I have
completed a few "studies"
which might otherwise be posted to the Webpage. Without a Webpage poster I

can "paste" a study to an e-mail (since Rootsweb won't accept attachments)
but the problem there is that an e-mail paste jumbles columns around and
makes a document a pain to read.

With a "roll call" I can put you all in a group list (or each of you can put

us all in a group list) and send material to you as an
"attachment".....which
of course your
computer WILL accept without jumbling the spacing.

May we please have a roll call? Everyone just sends only name and e-mail
address to the "board" (poythress-l@rootsweb.com). Thanks.

Maynard

P. S. if we have lurkers who prefer to remain anonymous lurkers but still
want my studies, just mail it directly to me: vkratliff@aol.com

P. P. S. Any suggestions on how to handle this better, by all means share
them.

Thanks.


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The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by the nonprofit RootsWeb Data
Cooperative. If you'd like to learn more about Rootsweb please visit
http://www.rootsweb.com/		09/01/2000 3:03:20
Roll CallJames SmithLinda Clark Smith

dogtown@tds.net



09/01/2000 3:12:26
ROLL CALLCharles NealBarbara Poythress Neal
BarbPoythressNeal@CompuServe.com



09/01/2000 4:16:59
Roll Callbruce millerBruce Miller

orvus@wvi.com



09/01/2000 4:49:50
roll callCliff and Sheryl TownsendSheryl Rowell Townsend < cctownsend@bigfoot.com >



09/01/2000 5:57:43
ROLL CALL"Roll calls" (posting your name and e-mail addresss to the "board" in a
message) can get kind of silly on "county boards" on Rootsweb where very few
people know each other and the only common interest is in the same county.

However, in our case, with a listmeister gone over the hill, it makes very
good sense under certain scenarios, such as one we have now. I have
completed a few "studies"
which might otherwise be posted to the Webpage. Without a Webpage poster I
can "paste" a study to an e-mail (since Rootsweb won't accept attachments)
but the problem there is that an e-mail paste jumbles columns around and
makes a document a pain to read.

With a "roll call" I can put you all in a group list (or each of you can put
us all in a group list) and send material to you as an "attachment".....which
of course your
computer WILL accept without jumbling the spacing.

May we please have a roll call? Everyone just sends only name and e-mail
address to the "board" (poythress-l@rootsweb.com). Thanks.

Maynard

P. S. if we have lurkers who prefer to remain anonymous lurkers but still
want my studies, just mail it directly to me: vkratliff@aol.com

P. P. S. Any suggestions on how to handle this better, by all means share
them.

Thanks.



09/01/2000 6:00:32
Re: Roll CallLeRoof "Bud" Poythress

BPoythress@aol.com



09/01/2000 6:37:34
Roll CallLou PooleJames L. ("Lou") Poole
lpoole@dallas.net



09/01/2000 6:45:17
Roll CallJulian P. BellJulian P. Bell, Jr.

belljp@juno.com

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09/01/2000 7:13:24
Roll Callhoracep8Horace Poythress

horacep8@cmc.net		09/01/2000 7:31:06
Re: Roll CallCrystal Rose Durham

Cdu1041689@aol.com		09/01/2000 7:59:11
Roll CallWillow Bend BooksCraig R. Scott

WillowBend@willowbend.net




09/01/2000 8:28:07
Roll CallJim RichardsonJim Richardson
PMCO@prodigy.net



09/01/2000 8:51:45
Roll CallJane Congdon
Congs@aol.com



09/01/2000 10:09:25
Roll CallALBERT TIMSV9J3ZM@gte.net

Nell Tims and Al Tims, Sr.		09/01/2000 10:44:58
Roll CallCindy Lambert
CLamb5582@aol.com		09/01/2000 10:47:50
Roll CallGary Silver
GSilver200@aol.com		09/01/2000 11:17:01
Fw: FriendsCARL SPEED----- Original Message -----
From: "Susie Buck"
To: "brandee" ; "janet" ;
"lynn" ; "Donna" ; "Diane"
; "Corinne"
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 11:19 AM
Subject: Fw: Friends


>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jenni Jeffers
> To: 'skc@ontario.com' ; 'mdj@ontario.com'
> ; 'mdipego@bsu.edu' ;
> 'sbuck@activeankle.com' ; Patsy Shugars
> ; Marsha Lister ; Pamela
> Rogers ; Sherri Smith
> Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:10 AM
> Subject: FW: Friends
>
>
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Susan Coffman [mailto:skc@ontario.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 8:31 AM
> >To: Debbie Wilson; Laura Scharnowske; Carolyn Powers (E-mail); Jenni
> >Jeffers (E-mail); Laurie Siler (E-mail); Lisa Arrowood (E-mail); Suzanne
> >Batdorff (E-mail); Barb Novinger
> >Subject: FW: Friends
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Susan Coffman
> >skc@ontario.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'LL JUST TAKE A HINT IF I DON'T GET THIS BACK!!!!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >> > ONE POTATO, TWO POTATO, THREE POTATO,
> >> HOT......TAG,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >> > YOU'RE IT
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >> > How many people actually have 8 true
> >> friends? Hardly
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >> > anyone I know! But some of us have
> >> all right friends
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >> > and good friends!!!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >> > You have been Tagged by the Blue Man!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >> > Which means you are a great friend!!
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> >> > > > > >> >
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> >> > > > > >> > You will Have Good Luck For Two Years
> >> if you send
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >> > this to 8 people or more and if this
> >> is sent back to
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >> > you then you know that you are a true
> >> friend......
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >> >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >> > You must send it in 5 minutes or your
> >> good luck will
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >> > be broken!!! If this is sent to you
> >> it means you are
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >> > a good friend!!!!! I hope you all are
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>		09/01/2000 12:07:26
Roll CallBarbara Poythress Wolfe

Beetle72@aol.com		09/01/2000 12:54:39
roll callGreta Mitchell

gretamitch@aol.com



09/02/2000 1:16:44
Roll CallPainterPatti Poythress Koscheski
mailto:pattited@smartlink.net
will be changing to
mailto:pattited@thevine.net



09/02/2000 3:30:38
Roll CallCARL SPEEDCarl & Helen Speed
CSpeed@worldnet.att.net



09/02/2000 3:44:12
"Ancestors"This is the second series following the series air several years ago.
Looking over the agenda the topics appear to be highly focussed on individual
topics (Researching
Old Newspapers, for example).

At this webpage: http://www.kbyu.org/ancestorsbroadcast/listings.asp
......one can check the programs and times scheduled to be aired on your
local PBS station.

Maynard



09/02/2000 4:30:40
Roll CallDebbie FreemanDebbie Poythress-Freeman

dapoythress@hotmail.com

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09/02/2000 12:44:55
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09/03/2000 2:29:11
ROLL CALLSarah PoythressSarah Royster Poythress
sarahp@gloryroad.net

Probably will change to:
sarahp@ncol.net




09/03/2000 5:23:04
Roll CallcoppesMarti Coppes
coppes@budget.net



09/04/2000 6:35:59
ItineraryLeave AM 9/6, return PM 9/17.

Will be with daughter Leigh Wilson in Houston (281-334-1193) and I'll be
picking up my email couple times a day.

Y'all behave.

Maynard		09/04/2000 6:36:11
RE:Roll CallBruce G. Porter



09/05/2000 1:44:22
Re: John PoythressPat J. AutryIn searching for my Martha J. Poythress O'Neill, ran across this John Poythress in 1850 in Franklin County, NC
http://searches1.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/archives/nc/granville/census/1850/pg0203b.txt
CENSUS YR: 1850 STATE or TERRITORY: NC COUNTY: Granville DIVISION: Abrahams Planes District REEL NO: 631 PAGE NO: 204b
REFERENCE: Enumerated on the 11th day of Dec. 1850 by Pro E. A. Jones
=========================================================================
LN HN FN LAST NAME FIRST NAME AGE SEX RACE OCCUP. VAL. BIRTHPLACE
MRD. SCH. R/W DDB
11 73 73 POYTHRESS John 21 M Farmer VA		09/05/2000 5:36:59
TestJim RichardsonTest message received.

Jim Richardson



09/17/2000 4:55:38
TestKATHY WALDRONMaynard,
It worked.



09/17/2000 5:25:39
FW: TestCliff and Sheryl Townsend-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff and Sheryl Townsend [mailto:cstownsend@email.msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 1:15 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L-request@rootsweb.com
Subject: FW: Test



Maynard,
Got both test messages.
sheryl

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com [mailto:VKRatliff@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 1:03 PM
To: VKRatliff@aol.com
Subject: Test


TEST.		09/17/2000 7:26:36
TESTI am happy to report that we have 35 members on our listserver despite (or
maybe "because" :)) the traffic has been so light over the past year.

I have prepared a list of all who have sent me their e-mail addresses. I am
sending THIS message to the Listserver because I KNOW you will get
it...you're registered already.

You should receive a few seconds later a SEPARATE MESSAGE as "to me" and
"from me" with ONLY your individual name showing as getting a blind copy.
This technique will suffice for only me to send research findings and to send
attached material to all, including those who would prefer to remain
anonymous.

The terrible downside of this is that only I can do the sending in this
format to the entire list because only I have all the addresses and we are
without a listmeister who would normally take a "study" or "document" and
post it to the webpage. I'm grabbing this undeserved place of priviledge ONLY
because I have several studies and transciptions to post now and another half
dozen only waiting to be typed. However, subsequent comment and discussion on
the regular Poythress-l@rootsweb.com is of course NOT precluded by this
"risky scheme" wherein I have somewhat grabbed the podium.....and I apologize
for doing so....but the alternative was "nothing."

All these "copies" in the future will be sent to you as a "blind copy"
attachment.....the alternative, a "paste" would be great but various service
providers will space lines in accordance with their own format and many
documents will get jumbled and some would be practically unusable. An
"attachment" keeps the original spacing, columns, etc. If you are interested
in KEEPING a particular post or document, it will be necessary for you to
save them into YOUR OWN HARD
DRIVE as, of course, they will NOT now be finding a home on the webpage to
give them permanence.

I am also formally soliciting for a techie (or even a semi-techie) to
volunteer for the job of listmeister. I (at any rate) am intimidated into
thinking this to be a time-gobbling moonshot job because former listmeister
Al Tims was technically capable of actually doing a moonshot and made the
Webpage a MODEL for all to marvel over. Al was all over the place taking
17th century land grants and actually plotting them onto modern highway maps.
He is likely still recovering.

While all this made us the envy of the net, Al's gleaming standard is not
necessary to keep a Webpage limping along......all that's really necessary is
to locate where documents or studies "belong" and posting those to the page
as they are submitted. But one has to be an official Webmeister. My guess is
Al would be happy if someone took over the job. It should take max 20
minutes a week since Al has already devised a satisfactory "format." The
Webpage is more or less "static" except for these posts since all the
"action" is the give and take on the "discussion group" Listserver. However,
new postings to the Webpage would likely stimulate discussion and prompt
further documents or studies worthy of a place on the Website. (if its all
that easy, why don't I take the job?.....'cause I'm still intimidated).

If you DON'T receive the before mentioned separate TEST e-mail in a few
minutes it will be because:

1) you didn't give me your address (and maybe didn't want to....that's okay).
or

2) I somehow missed or mispelled your address....even though I think I
proofed the list well.

If you DON'T get that separate message and WANT to be on the list please
e-mail me immediately and I will add your address. And, of course, if anyone
wishes to bail out in the future, you only have to ask me to take your name
off the list.

I would appreciate the first few recipients of the test e-mail to e-mail me
in return on the regular Poythress-L@rootsweb and either

a) tell me it didn't work

b) tell me it did work

c) tell me a better way

d) to repeat, tell me if you didn't get the message and WANT to be added.

e) tell me you want to be Listmeister and we can work on that FIRST and
forget the
snake dance outlined above.

Best,

Maynard		09/17/2000 8:02:45
testwayne scruggsMaynard,
I received the test. I wish I could help but I like you could not quite handle it.
Judy



09/17/2000 9:31:08
Test WorkedOkay, guys and gals, it works. Got enough reports. I'll start sending stuff
tomorrow probably.

Julian, yours is the only address that bounced. Is bell58@juno.com right?

Thanks,

Maynard		09/17/2000 10:08:32
New Catalog-Willowbend BooksHey, Craig....neat new catalog. I have only had a chance to glance over it
but its obvious you're in the big leagues with this vast array of good stuff.
And folks, the website is: www.WillowBendBooks.com if you want to check out
the site.

Good luck with it.

Maynard



09/18/2000 12:13:26
R. Bolling Batte ChartR. Bolling Batte (d. abt. 1997) was a highly respected professional in the
field of Virginia genealogy. In about 1977 he did a decendency chart titled
"Chart of the Poythress Family in Early Virginia. The chart has "the
immigrant" Francis at the top. In the second generation Thomas is omitted
for whatever reason Mr. Batte may have had. Jane is omitted presumably for
marrying the name away in genealogical terms. Francis (2) is omitted because
Mr. Batte just never got around to it (per Mrs. Batte). The line of son John
is traced down through about 9 or 10 generations and is a marvelous work
sheet covering what I suppose is most of the Blands, Battes,
Randolphs, etc. etc.

In general, we have found an omission or two but have not found any instances
where Mr. Batte was "wrong"......except to make his chart size 17 x 11 which
becomes unreadable when reducted to computer monitor size. Therefore it
can't be posted, only mailed as hard copy.

Anticipating that downstream I would meet a number of people who would like
to have a copy of this chart I made a number of photocopies.

In getting the names of the subscribers to the Poythress listservers, I
noticed a number of names to whom I have not mailed this chart, and indeed,
they perhaps signed on at a later date and don't even realize the thing is
available.

If you would send me your snailmail address at vkratliff@aol.com I would be
pleased to mail you a copy of this chart at no charge. Thats exactly what I
made all the copies for anyway.

Best,

Maynard		09/18/2000 12:14:30
Last CheckOkay guys and gals......anyone NOT receiving the "Hollingsworth Cards" post
just ahead of this message, please contact me with your e-mail address if you
wish to receive these postings which will cover Virginia and Georgia records.

Also, let me know if the Hollingsworth message DOES NOT come to you will ONLY
your own name shown as receiving a blind copy (although my "handle" vkratliff
will likely show as both the sender and receiver of the cover message.

Thanks,

Maynard



09/19/2000 5:36:28
Re: John PoythressPat, thanks for sharing this. No doubt this is John Lewis Poythress,
progenitor of Sarah (really Dale) Poythress. One correction I would
suggest - this appears to be Granville Co., not Franklin Co.

Sarah, regarding our search for a possible link between John Lewis
Poythress and Edward Poythress, isn't it interesting that in 1850 JLP was
in Granville (Abraham Plains) while Edward was in Mecklenburg and ten
years later Edward was in Granville (Abrham Plains) while JLP was in
Mecklenburg. Considering how few other Poythresses we have found in
Granville, and considering how well accounted for are the Mecklenburg
Poythresses, I think this reinforces suspicion of a connection.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 11:36:59 -0400 "Pat J. Autry"
writes:
>In searching for my Martha J. Poythress O'Neill, ran across this John
>Poythress in 1850 in Franklin County, NC
>
>http://searches1.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/archives/nc/granville/census/1850
/pg0203b.txt
>CENSUS YR: 1850 STATE or TERRITORY: NC COUNTY: Granville
>DIVISION: Abrahams Planes District REEL NO: 631 PAGE NO: 204b
>REFERENCE: Enumerated on the 11th day of Dec. 1850 by Pro E. A.
>Jones
>========================================================================
=
>LN HN FN LAST NAME FIRST NAME AGE SEX RACE OCCUP.
>VAL. BIRTHPLACE
>MRD. SCH. R/W DDB
>11 73 73 POYTHRESS John 21 M
> Farmer VA
>

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Re: R. Bolling Batte ChartI have scanned the chart (the one I think I got from you) and have it as a
rather large file (about 2 Megabytes), if anyone is interested.

Steve Wall		09/23/2000 9:40:25
(no subject)Subj: Re: R. Bolling Batte Chart
Date: 9/23/00
To: SteveW602@aol.com

Hey, Steve, GREAT IDEA to scan that rascal. Throw it up and let's see if
anyone can handle it digitally. I'm guessing it won't be me......it's likely
to be some techie wizard like Lyn Baird.........but if I can handle it, just
about anybody ought to be able to. Thanks for the shot at it.

Maynard		09/23/2000 11:46:48
Copy of Baptismal RecordI was able to print the image. However, the right side which you have to
scroll to see did not print out. So I actually have only half an image.
If you can tell me how to shrink the image, then I could print it out and
scan it to you.
BPW



09/27/2000 2:01:08
imageCliff and Sheryl TownsendHello List,
I sent Maynard the image he wanted and he was signing off for the night.
Ask if I would let you all know and that if you want a copy of it I will
forward one to you personally. If so just make a request. I sent it to him
gif.

It just happened that way but he thinks I am great!

Anyway, Maynard will be having surgery tomorrow early a.m.

sheryl



09/27/2000 2:57:24
Baptism Francis PoythressWe had a digital reproduction of baptism record of ffrancis Poythres. I
think it was on the webpage as: "ffrancis the sonne of John Poythres was
baptised 12 day of July".

I have its location recorded as "http://www1.minn.net/~atims/franbapt.html".

I can still "receive" that page at that address but it is now in straight
"type" and is no longer the "image file" of the handwriting in the Bishop's
book.

If anyone has the image digitally reproduced and on his or her hard drive,
would you please e-mail me a copy.

Many thanks,

Maynard		09/27/2000 9:40:00
franbaptSubj: Baptism Francis Poythress
Date: 9/27/00
To: poythress-l@rootsweb.com

We had a digital reproduction of baptism record of ffrancis Poythres. I
think it was on the webpage as: "ffrancis the sonne of John Poythres was
baptised 12 day of July".

I have its location recorded as "http://www1.minn.net/~atims/franbapt.html".

I can still "receive" that page at that address but it is now in straight
"type" and is no longer the "image file" of the handwriting in the Bishop's
book.

If anyone has the image digitally reproduced and on his or her hard drive,
would you please e-mail me a copy.

Many thanks,

Maynard

Subj: Re: Baptism Francis Poythress
Date: 9/27/00 4:04:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Congs
To: VKRatliff

In a message dated 9/27/2000 3:46:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
VKRatliff@aol.com writes:

<< "http://www1.minn.net/~atims/franbapt.html".
>>
Your address works...with the image...it just takes a minute to load
the image to screen.
I haven't been able to copy the image part 🙁
Jane


OKAY......one of you techies, bail us out of jail would you? I can't copy it
either.

Thanks,

Maynard		09/27/2000 10:28:01
JPG Scan R. Bolling Batte ChartSteve, I'd wait to hear from some others because I have a self-confidence
problem fooling with those visuals......I could read the thing, BUT, I've
read it so many times I almost know what its supposed to say every time. My
guess is a stanger would find it too blurred. Plus, of course, and this is
only a minor annoyance, you have to scroll all over the place to pick it up.

Sorry I can't be encouraging but feel free to rack it up to my PC
shortcomings. Somebody else may find it a breeze.

Thanks,

Maynard



10/05/2000 8:35:18
Thanks, Maynard!Charles NealMaynard, from one of the many silent List-subscribers no doubt speaking for
many: Thank you so much for all the work you have been doing, and all the
posting of helpful summary messages, with abstractions/transcriptions of
the various counties' Poythress information, including the voluminous
listing of "Prince George County Wills & Deeds 1713-1728 Corrected" that I
just received today.

We all know that genealogy is a very "patient" hobby/passion, meaning that
interest of ours can sit aside patiently while more pressing matters of
life call us to other responsibilities. Probably that is what has kept so
many of us silent. In due time however, hopefully others will furnish info
they have gleaned, too.

Thanks again for all your good work reading those microfilms!
Barbara		10/11/2000 11:40:10
YemenBud, knowing as many of your crowd as I do I'm fairly sure none of your
immediate family was involved in this thing....but wanted to check anyway.
Any of yours or sons of your shipmates on that destroyer that you know of ?
And should we make any more of it than what the media tells us?

Maynard



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Thanks Maynard, for your inquiry.

But no, I haven't received any report on any connection between any of our
fellows/shipmates with the USS Cole's crew. It was a terrible thing to have
happen. But then, I've not as yet seen a list of those "Killed and or
wounded or missing. Of course if there is any connection it would have to be
at the "grandsons/granddaughter" level.

Regards to Jean.

Bud

--part1_48.c19a28d.27187cf0_boundary--		10/13/2000 4:57:52
Census Look-Up Email ListsCharles NealJust received this informative message from a good genealogy-found friend.
(I have not subscribed, so do not have any further info about these lists.)

Barbara

-------------Forwarded Message-----------------
Date: 10/19/2000 10:01 AM

RE: CENSUS-LOOKUP

CENSUS-LOOKUP Lists were
Established 11 October 2000

1. All lists are

XX-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com
(regular mode)

XX-CENSUS-LOOKUP-D-request@rootsweb.com
(digest mode)

The XX is to be removed and the two letter
abbreviation for the state
you are looking in added in its place.

Examples:

MI-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com

CA-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com

IL-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com


2. So, send an email to the one of your choice (make
sure to have the state). Do not put anything in the subject line. In
the body of the email write only:

subscribe
Then send it on 🙂

3. POSTING to the new census lists:

A. Send it to
-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L@rootsweb.com (supply the
two letter
state
code for the XX again)

B: Subject line MUST have the following:
County/Year/Surname

Example: Saginaw/1850/Smith


C: In the body of the email:

List whom you are looking for.
Supply as much information as you can.
Birthplace, ages, occupation, etc.

D: Mail it on!

I hope that helped. I have put the list of states and
two letter codes below for you.
AL Alabama
AK Alaska
AZ Arizona
AR Arkansas
CA California
CO Colorado
CT Connecticut
DC District Of Columbia
DE Delaware
FL Florida
GA Georgia
HI Hawaii
ID Idaho
IL Illinois
IN Indiana
IA Iowa
KS Kansas
KY Kentucky
LA Louisiana
ME Maine
MD Maryland
MA Massachusetts
MI Michigan
MN Minnesota
MS Mississippi
MO Missouri
MT Montana
NE Nebraska
NV Nevada
NH New Hampshire
NJ New Jersey
NM New Mexico
NY New York
NC North Carolina
ND North Dakota
OH Ohio
OK Oklahoma
OR Oregon
PA Pennsylvania
RI Rhode Island
SC South Carolina
SD South Dakota
TN Tennessee
TX Texas
UT Utah
VT Vermont
VA Virginia
WA Washington (state)
WV West Virginia
WI Wisconsin
WY Wyoming		10/19/2000 10:11:08
References, etc.The below information was sent to me by our friend Helene Pockrus. It is all
Helene says it is and more. Like many of these "tree formed" sources it can
lead to documents from all over the place, more than just censuses.

Have fun with it I have barely scratched the surface. And if someone wants
to take a major section and prepare it for the board that would be great too.
And by the way,
Helene, thanks a ton.

Maynard

>>>>

CENSUS-LOOKUP Lists were
Established 11 October 2000

1. All lists are

XX-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com
(regular mode)

XX-CENSUS-LOOKUP-D-request@rootsweb.com
(digest mode)

The XX is to be removed and the two letter
abbreviation for the state
you are looking in added in its place.

Examples:

MI-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com

CA-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com

IL-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com


2. So, send an email to the one of your choice (make
sure to have the state). Do not put anything in the subject line. In
the body of the email write only:

subscribe
Then send it on 🙂

3. POSTING to the new census lists:

A. Send it to
-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L@rootsweb.com (supply the
two letter
state
code for the XX again)

B: Subject line MUST have the following:
County/Year/Surname

Example: Saginaw/1850/Smith


C: In the body of the email:

List whom you are looking for.
Supply as much information as you can.
Birthplace, ages, occupation, etc.

D: Mail it on!

I hope that helped. I have put the list of states and
two letter codes below for you.
AL Alabama
AK Alaska
AZ Arizona
AR Arkansas
CA California
CO Colorado
CT Connecticut
DC District Of Columbia
DE Delaware
FL Florida
GA Georgia
HI Hawaii
ID Idaho
IL Illinois
IN Indiana
IA Iowa
KS Kansas
KY Kentucky
LA Louisiana
ME Maine
MD Maryland
MA Massachusetts
MI Michigan
MN Minnesota
MS Mississippi
MO Missouri
MT Montana
NE Nebraska
NV Nevada
NH New Hampshire
NJ New Jersey
NM New Mexico
NY New York
NC North Carolina
ND North Dakota
OH Ohio
OK Oklahoma
OR Oregon
PA Pennsylvania
RI Rhode Island
SC South Carolina
SD South Dakota
TN Tennessee
TX Texas
UT Utah
VT Vermont
VA Virginia
WA Washington (state)
WV West Virginia
WI Wisconsin
WY Wyoming		10/20/2000 12:47:51
Sources of Out of Print Family HistoriesDiana DiamondI thought I would share with you something I am posting on another list. I
know the Higgonsonbooks site has been mentioned before on this list.

The two sites below reprint old family histories. If you buy a book they
send you a catalog free. You can probably order the catalog separately. The
catalogs are interesting to read.

http://www.willowbendbooks.com/default.asp

http://www.higginsonbooks.com/
http://www.higginsonbooks.com/surnameb.htm


The sites below often have old family books and out of print history books
available to search. Beware the major web booksellers who offer family
books. I believe their practice is to look up the books on the sites below
and then offer them with a markup. I found "The James" by Blair Niles (of
the Rivers of America Series) with many Poythress mentions at the first
site. (Among other things, this book has a detailed account of Pocahontas's
early years.)

http://www.addall.com/Used/

http://www.bibliofind.com

http://www.bookfinder.com/

Diana



10/23/2000 6:09:02
Davis-Poythress Marker, Brunswick Co., Va.Charles NealLyn,

Congratulations to you and to your parents on getting this cemetery
reclaimed from the woods and the marker with so much valuable information
placed. After my visit in May 1999 to the then
almost-completely-lost-to-woods cemetery with your parents, and crawling
over & under various impediments in the woods to try to get to it, I have
DEEP appreciation and admiration for all the work your father has done.
Want to get back there as soon as I can to see the wonderful results for
myself. Yes, I would love to get a copy of any available pictures; thanks
so much for offering them.

Barbara Poythress Neal		10/27/2000 8:38:05
Davis-Poythress Marker, Brunswick Co., Va.I'm pleased to announce the placement of a marker at the Davis-Poythress
Cemetery at Brodnax, Brunswick County, Virginia. This family cemetery
contains the graves of James David POYTHRESS and his wife, Lucy Cannon
MOSELEY Poythress, and two of their sons. The cemetery is located on
what was the farm of Henry P. DAVIS and his wife, Susan POYTHRESS Davis.
Susan was the daughter of James and Lucy. Also buried in the cemetery
are Henry's mother and brother and four infant children of Henry and
Susan. (The graves of Susan and her husband are in Canaan Methodist
Church cemetery near Blackridge, Mecklenburg County, Virginia.)

Eight graves are recognizable, in two rows of four each. Most graves are
marked with two fieldstones, one at the head and another at the foot.
Only the graves of JDP and LCMP have written markers. That of Lucy is
lying on the ground, broken in several pieces but still complete enough
to read. That of James is broken and missing; only the base remains.
The new marker provides identification for ten of the persons whose
remains rest there. The information on the new marker reads as follows:

DAVIS - POYTHRESS
Elvira Wright Davis * November 1835 - 11 December 1925 * Mother [See
footnote.]
William I. Davis * April 1874 - December 1954 * Son
Four Infant Children of Henry P. and Susan Poythress Davis
James David Poythress * 15 September 1856 - 2 September 1929 * Father
Lucy Cannon Moseley Poythress * 21 May 1852 - 11 December 1911 *
Mother
Benjamin James Poythress * 28 October 1880 - 14 December 1913 * Son
Fletcher Herod Poythress * 3 October 1891 - 17 March 1956 * Son
Marker Placed 2000 by Family

James David Poythress is the son of Thomas M. and Lucy Thomas Poythress,
and the grandson of Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
Descendants of James and Lucy own the property surrounding the cemetery.

The placement of the marker and research of the information on it are a
private effort of my mother and me over several years, with the gracious
and enthusiastic cooperation of the neighboring descendants. When we
started the project, the cemetery was lost in woods. My father undertook
the physical restoration of the cemetery, pretty much by himself. He
removed the deteriorated perimeter fence and a large fallen tree, cleared
and re-graded the lot and planted it is periwinkle (vinca), a traditional
ground cover for family cemeteries in that area. I'm especially pleased
that Dad, who turned 89 today, has the health and energy to tackle this
sort of project.

This restoration complements and parallels that of the Poythress-Tanner
cemetery at Blackridge, Mecklenburg County, Virginia, also a project of
my mother and me, which I reported to the list on May 28. The
Poythress-Tanner cemetery contains the grave of Thomas M. Poythress, his
wife, Lucy Thomas, and perhaps (?) the grave of his father, Lewis
Poythress. Considering both cemeteries, the two new markers provide
identification for a total of nineteen burials, as compared with only two
graves having readable markers prior to the restoration.

Pictures of the Davis-Poythress marker (as well as the Poythress-Tanner
marker) are available by request. If interested, please send me your
email address, as it is not permissible to broadcast attachments to the
list.

Best regards,
Lyn Poythress Baird
llbaird@juno.com

[Note: The death certificate of Elvira Wright Davis states she is buried
at Rehoboth Methodist Church cemetery in Blackridge, Mecklenburg Co., Va.
This is incorrect, according to Alma Davis Northington Short, her
granddaughter, who was in attendance at her burial at the Davis-Poythress
cemetery. Mrs. Short resides near the cemetery.]
________________________________________________________________
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http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.		10/27/2000 10:28:43
For Halloween......Talk about macabre.....try: http://www.findagrave.com

🙂

Maynard



10/31/2000 3:13:39
Not Just for Halloween......Maynard, great to have you back online. Your were missed.

My quick check of this site turned up seven Poythresses, one of which,
Leta Poythress, I know to be the wife of a great-grandson of Lewis
Poythress. This particular entry was provided by a Paula Delosh, who the
site claims to have submitted "2,121 interments" and 262 photos during
her brief six month membership - quite aprolific lady.

It's an interesting way to present decedents, by cemetery. It may prove
useful to us down the road. -lpb

On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:13:39 EST VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
>Talk about macabre.....try: http://www.findagrave.com
>
>:)
>
>Maynard

________________________________________________________________
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Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
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Try this search engineDiana DiamondYou may well become familiar with www.google.com for general searches. It
uses a different approach from other search engines, and it often gives you
the best result first.

I have found it quite good at genealogy searches. Insert the name you want
to find more about or just a surname. You may have to be patient if you make
a general search on just surname alone for a lot of stuff turns up. You can
also try a name and genealogy after it.

If you want to make sure the search is for one person, say "Thomas
Poythress" put his name in quotes. Otherwise, you will get some sites where
Thomas and Poythress both appear such as Jane Poythress and Thomas Rolfe.

I just turned up 3 photographs of one of my gg uncles.

Try it. See what you find.

Diana		11/03/2000 9:13:15
Re: Try this search engineAnother good one is dogpile.com. THe advantage of dogpile is that it is a
meta-searcher, and uses about ten other search engines (including google, I
think) at once. Of course you have to get used to the disgusting name.... 😎

Steve		11/04/2000 8:34:04
ItineraryI'm going to genealogy deal in Richmond 11/11 through 11/18, VA to Georgia
11/19 thru 11/24. Unless I find an ISP first time I'll check e-mail after
11/10 will be at my son's home on 11/20.

Wishing you all a happy and safe Thanksgiving.

Maynard		11/06/2000 9:51:45
ItineraryCharles NealMaynard,
Hope you have a safe trip; learn a lot; and have a great time.
BPN



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11/15/2000 1:26:40
Info from England - Poytress [Poythress]Charles NealDear Poythress-List members,

I found the below information quite interesting & I think others of you
would also. This info was sent to me this month by Pat Crewe in England,
who had a Poytress gg-grandmother. [Poytress is the more common spelling
in England, apparently.] Several years ago now, Pat did her research on
the Poytress family, in Gloucestershire Records Office in Gloucester. She
had found a lot of material and she noted that much of it was in rather
poor condition. She had earlier transcribed a few of the more interesting
documents, but that was before she and Maurice got their present computer.


As Pat said, (and I wholeheartedly agree): "I think the most fascinating
part of [my] Poytress research was finding the sale catalogue when Anna
Poytress , nee Roan, had to sell up after her husband's death, and reading
about her trial for underestimating the value of his goods. We are not
always lucky enough to get a real insight into the lives of our ancestors."


This Anna Roan was married to the Thomas Poytress who was born in 1747 and
christened 29 March 1747 at Tirley, Glos [abbreviation for
Gloucestershire]. Thomas was the gg-grandson of the Christopher Poydras
who was born 1616 [christened 4 Sep 1616 at St. Swithin, Worcester] who was
brother of the FRANCIS POYTHRESS who was christened 12 July 1609 at Newent,
Glos and who is probably the Francis who came to America and became the
progenitor of American Poythress families. [Father of Francis and
Christopher was John Pewdreies, who died in 1647/1648, and who owned Ploddy
House until his death. Pat has stored all the Poytress information she has
collected (on nine generations of POYTRESSes, from her gg-grandmother back
to John Pewdreies) in a "Reunion" database.]

Thomas was a butcher, according to the marriage allegation dated 3 Nov
1770. Pat found that Thomas and Anna had the following children: Thomas
Ann, Martha, Charles, William, James. Thomas died leaving no will,
with an estate valued at less than 300 pounds according to an obligation
sworn by his wife Hannah/Anna on 9 May 1803. In her research Pat had
located papers concerning the following (quoted from Pat):

- "case to be heard in the Consistory Court of Gloucester, Bick against
Poytress 28th Jun 1804 to be held in Gloucester Cathedral. She had to
produce a true inventory of her husbands goods and give an account of her
administration at the promotion of John Bick Esq of Treddington, one of his
principal creditors"

- "inventory for this court case amounting to £506.15.3d dated 20th Sep
1804. Rooms were; kitchen, little and great parlour, pantry, back kitchen,
brewhouse, dairy, 3 cellars, a corn chamber, a room over the brewhouse,
the servants room, a chamber over the kitchen, parlour chamber, millhouse,
cyderhouse, barn, hay house, shop, wellhouse, carthouse, cheese chamber and
yards"

- "court case held 3rd June 1805 when she was charged with not giving
enough value to her husbands goods"

- "copy of the sale held in April 1806 at Mrs Anna Poytresses - this
raised £460.18s.9d exclusive of a bull stay. Names of buyers are given and
even the names of some of the animals. One 3 year old gelding was called
Doctor and another Blackbird, a 2 year old was called Captain. The sale was
held over 2 days"

- "copy of Court judgement 17th Dec 1807 when the inventory was declared
imperfect - the sum of £13 10s to be added to the inventory and Hannah to
bear all costs in the case"

- "copy of administration when she died intestate in 1808"

As a result of our Nov 2000 correspondence, Pat said that Maurice managed
to find two of the transcriptions, the inventory for the court case 1804
and the court judgement 1807. She has given permission to share the
transcriptions with the Poythress-List if others are interested in seeing
them. Those interested in getting copies of the transcriptions of these
two court items should let Maynard know, since he is acting as our
substitute List-Master these days.

Hope each of you have a great Thanksgiving!
Barbara Poythress Neal		11/19/2000 12:41:46
RE: Info from England - Poytress [Poythress]Diana DiamondBarbara,

This material from Pat Crewe is fascinating. The details are quite
wonderful.

Thanks.

And Happy Thanksgiving...


Diana





11/21/2000 12:45:10
Re: Info from EnglandBarbara,
Thanks for posting this and Pat, many thanks for sharing this most
interesting and insightful research.
Barbara (BPW)






11/22/2000 4:28:55
RE: Info from England - Poytress [Poythress]Charles NealGlad to know you found it, as I did, fascinating. Thanks again, Pat, for
sharing this information with us!

Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Barbara



11/22/2000 10:22:05
THOMAS ROLFE CA 1613--JANE POYTHRESSGary CooperHi,
I need to know where I could find proof that Thomas Rolfe married Jane
Poythress
Thanks,
Gary





11/23/2000 10:54:00
POYTHRESS TO ROLFE CA 1640Gary CooperI need to know if there is a reference book that can verify that Jane
Poythress
married Thomas Rolfe who was born ca 1613 ?
Thanks,
Gary		11/24/2000 1:53:55
R. Bolling Batte's Reading ListDiana DiamondI have begun transcribing some of R. Bolling Batte's Reading list from the
cards at the Library of Virginia digital collection into a data base. This
is the first section. The number corresponds to the LVA card number. Often
the backs of the cards have information on families that Batte apparently no
longer used, but the Library copied them nonetheless. That explains in part
the odd numbering.

Hope provides some ideas. Gary Cooper, you might check sources 13, 38
among others.
Diana

1 Fothergill, Augusta B. Peter Jones and Richard Jones
Genealogies 1924

4 Clark, Eva Francis Epes, His Ancestors
and
Descendants
5 Watson, Walter A. Notes of Southside Virginis
(sic)


7 Bell, Landon Old Free State

9 Valentine, Edward Pleasants Edward Pleasants Valentine
Papers

11 Turner, Willard R. Old Homes and Families of
Nottoway


13 Slaughter, Philip History of Bristol Parish. VA

15 Descendants of William
Littlejohn

17 Randolph, Robert Isham The Carter Tree


20 The Bland Papers

21 Bolling, Robert (of Bolling Family, a Memoir of a
Portion of
"Chellowe")
23 French, S. Basset Centenial Tales (sic)


25 Randolph Booklet

27 Brown, Alexander The Cabells and their Kin
1895

28 Bell, Landon C. Cumberland Parish, Lunenburg
County


32 Hale, Nathaniel Claiborne Roots in Virginia

34 Holcombe Genealogy

36 Childs, James Rives Reliques of the Rives


38 Robertson, Wyndham Pocahantas and Her Descendants

40 Pecquet du Bellet, Louise Some Prominent Virginia
Families (4
Volumes)
42 Henry, Reginald Buchanan Genealogies of Families of the
Presidents
(MD)

44 Garber, Virginia Amistead The Armistead Family

46 Lee, Cazenove Gardner Lee Chronicle

48 Boddie, John Bennett Seventeenth Century Isle of
Wight County,
Virginia

50 Freeman, Douglas Southall R.E. Lee

52 Friend, Carter Watkins Descendants of Captain Thomas
Friend
54 Bradshaw, Herbert Clarence History of Prince Edward
County, VA.

56 Men of Mark in Virginia

58 Clerical Directory (1926,
1950, 1959)


60 Johnson, John Lipscomb University of Virginia
Memorial		11/24/2000 7:47:15
GilliamAny of you Gilliam folks want to pick this one up have at it. With this
guy's demanding tone I wouldn't even lean over my PC to peek at my Batte
chart but I doubt if I have anything for him anyway. I'm sure one of you is
just dying to round up those maps for him.....and gee, he'll pay the postage.
What a champ. But, he just may have something a Gilliam researcher wants so
I'll leave that to your discretion.

MP

Subj: John Gilliam & Elizabeth Poythress
Date: 11/27/00 12:22:27 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: armesco@velocity.net (Herb Armes)
To: VKRatliff@aol.com

Hi: can you help me with this family:
John Gilliam (Gilham-Gillam) b. 1712 possibly Prince George Co. VA.
(Surry Co)
Elizabeth Poythress. Any info. on their parents: who, where resided
prior 1712. Can you send me an exact map location for Isbell's tract.
John was grantor of a deed 1761 in P.G. co. land located next to
Isbell's tract. I sure could use a county map. Infact , I need maps
from Surry, Prince George Cos. both. Can you get me one from a real
estate, bank, or whoever has them...usually free. I will remit postage
for sending and family sheet copying. I have a so called listing for
John and Eliz. children but nothing past them. If you can help me would
be appreciated. Have lots of Gilliam history. Herb Armes; 2636 W. 31
St.; Erie, PA 16506-3117. armesco@velocity.net. Thanks you all.		11/27/2000 3:37:26
Bingo!!!Diana DiamondCongratulations! Maynard.

Serendipity is such a wonderful thing.

But as was quoted to me recently, apparently from a church billboard, "How
can you expect your ship to come in, if you have never sent one out."

You clearly earned this one.

But for those of us in other branches of the Poythress family, would you be
so kind at some point to present this John C. Poythress in an outline of
your branch.

I'm trying to compile data on various branches, and that would be helpful.
Thanks.

Diana



11/29/2000 3:12:07
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Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CGRS – 11/30/2000


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Genealogy Portals

A few weeks back, I wrote about Internet portals and how they can help
simplify and organize your Internet experiences. The portals I wrote about at
that time allow you to customize the page, adding links that pertain to sites
you visit often.

I've just learned of a “genealogy information portal” that is along the
lines of the portals discussed previously, only it doesn't allow for
customization. GenealogySpot.com is a “new genealogy portal [that] simplifies
the search for the best free genealogy resources online,” according to a news
release from StartSpot Mediaworks.

StartSpot has already made a splash in the information portal world with its
popular LibrarySpot.com, which was selected as the best reference site on the
Internet by Forbes magazine. As it delves into the genealogy world, StartSpot
takes with it the same reference formats it uses in LibrarySpot.com and adds
more reference points that pertain specifically to genealogy.

In essence, GenealogySpot finds references around the Internet that will help
you with your genealogical searches. I was impressed with the fact that a lot
of the links I saw were to reputable sites and holders of primary sources,
such as the National Archives and the Bureau of Land Management. But in
addition to links to other sites, GenealogySpot contains articles that will
help you with specific tasks. These articles contain bylines, but I would
like to see a short biography of each of the writers so I can know what
background they bring to the topic.

The site contains a large tool chest of items that are of value to anyone
doing genealogical research. Remember, though, that the information
GenealogySpot points to is primarily reference material and not necessarily
all of the answers to your genealogical dilemmas.

Of course, GenealogySpot.com isn't the only genealogy information portal.
About.com has had a genealogy section for quite some time, and its offerings
are similar to those mentioned above. There are hundreds of links to
different types of sites as well as original articles written by authors
whose names are more recognizable (and they have biographical information!).

GenealogyPortal.com has also been around for a couple of years. It's a joint
project between Stephen Wood and Matthew Helm, and it's designed to find
information easily. A feature on this site not found on the two mentioned
above is a metasearch engine that checks sites using eight different search
engines. You can search using the overall search engine, or you can use a
specific search engine, such as “Names and Personal Sites” or “Archives and
Libraries.” The search engines do a good job of filtering out pages that
don't apply to genealogy, and in return, you have better and more accurate
searches for your topics. The site also contains many links, although some of
them point to outdated materials.

Finally, Cyndi's List contains a number of links to sites that contain other
lists, under a section called Handy Online Starting Points. Some of these are
list compilations, some are search engines, but they all try to help you find
genealogy sites of interest to you.

Elizabeth Kelley Kerstens, CGRS, is the managing editor of Genealogical
Computing (GC), editor of the Board for Certification of Genealogists'
newsletter OnBoard, the creator of Clooz—the electronic filing cabinet for
genealogical records, and a frequent contributor to Ancestry Magazine. She
can be reached via e-mail at liz@ancestordetective.com or at
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included.		12/02/2000 6:24:56
Wm Byrd of WestoverGleanings from trip to LVA 11/00:

1) Somewhere it is said that Byrd's diaries are written in French. That is
incorrect.
They are enciphered in a code Mr. Byrd himself invented. Although
baffling to
the unitiated like me, the code was easily broken in the years
following Mr.
Byrd's death. (conceivably, the code could translate to French which
the
authors sequentially translated further to get it to English....but
that is not my
impression; Mr. Byrd frequently mentions reading in Greek and Hebrew
but I
didn't find any references to reading in French).

It is stated, and correctly I think, that encoded diaries are intended
as a record
only for the diarist and are therefore given greater credibility.
Plain text diaries
can be written for the impression on the reader and are therefore
subject to some
"subjective" truths. Sounds reasonable to me.

2) Often cited as "the" secret diary, etc., actually there are two of them
1)" The
Secret Diary of William Byrd of Westover, 1709-1712" and 2) "Another
Secret
Diary of William Byrd of Westover, 1739-1741". Both are edited by L.
B. Wright
& Marion Tingling, The Dietz Press, Richmond. The first was published
in 1941
and the second in 1942. It is problematical if Mr. Byrd made the
"separation" or
whether or not "two" volumes was just a handy vehicle for the
translators.

3) William Byrd was unquestionably and obsessive diarist. A clear majority
of the
text comments on his daily menu, whether or not he prayed that day,
etc. He
even records trips to the toilet. My reading of some of the text told
me it was
fairly easy to skip over these inconsequential details and get to the
"real" events
in Byrd's life. Parts of this material are actually salty.

I will shortly be transcribing the half dozen or so Poythress entries. Other
than Peter's marriage at Byrds's , none seem to have any great significance,
mainly Byrd's other encounters with Peter Poythress whom he seems to give
somewhat short shrift as merely "an Indian trader."

With respect to Poythress material in the Charles City Courthouse, I was told
that the courthouse has nothing prior to 1900 that is not already in the
Library of Virginia.
No doubt there is a scrap of paper or so but there didn't appear to be
sufficient leverage to spend any time there.

Of interest might be that we toured Berkeley Plantation which is almost
exactly across the river from Flowerdew Hundred. From Berkeley, one only
jogs north a mile or so and there is a bridge taking one to the south side of
the James. We went to the trouble to visit Flowerdew. Some notable
changes.....the new home (a huge, garish, turrented and bright yellow
Victorian abomination) and the previously existing small museum are on
private but very friendly property. New signage for directions is quite good
but at the bottom it says "closed until Spring". All of the surrounding
acreage is denoted as being in the natural forest of the James which I'm
guessing is the reason they have been able to protect it and hold it together
so long.

Barbara Neal, specifically with regard to your question

There is indeed a reference in the Volume 1 INDEX that Peter Poythress is
mentioned in the events of 1 Feb 1709.....just as you cited. However, the
first "recording" for 1709 is 6 Feb 1709. No pages have been "sliced" from
the book.
I'm confident about this because the chapter heading "February" actually
"starts"
at the heading for the page and the initial entry on the same page
immediately below the "chapter" is dated "6". I double checked the "6th"
entries for each of the other years with no success. So, if the text of this
book is correct and all we have, we''ll likely never know.

Maynard		12/03/2000 7:56:54
Poythress vs HarrisonBarbara, you mentioned a Weisiger abstract in a volume he titled "Charles
City County Virginia Records 1737-1774 (with several 17th Century Fragments)"
in which he referred to the lawsuit: (p. 168)

Robert Poythress, Robert (sic) Poythress and Thomas Poythress
executors of Joshua Poythress, dced, VS. Benjamin Harris for the
July Court 1741.

This reference is in Va. Hist. Mag. and Weisiger which you both cited. The
reference to the abstract (or a copy of the abstract itself) I found in no
fewer than a half dozen more places. The orginal text or "full copy"......it
may well be there but I certainly couldn't find it.

Maynard		12/03/2000 7:56:59
R. Bolling Batte's Reading ListCharles NealDiana,

Thank you for your time in transcribing the portion of R. Bolling Batte's
Reading List that you posted on Nov. 24th. While I have seen some of those
items before, the list certainly provides me with a good list of other
items to look for.

Thanks again,
Barbara		12/03/2000 10:03:59
Text: Will of John C Poythress of Burke Co, GACharles NealThank you so much, Maynard, for the great work you did in transcribing the
Will you found for John C. Poythress!

Following is a pure text version of Maynard's Nov. 28th file attachment
containing his transcription of the Will of John C Poythress of Burke Co,
GA. By placing it in this List message, we will have it accessible in our
Poythress-List Archives.

As cited at the bottom, the Will is from Georgia Dept. of Archives &
History, Microfilm drawer 115, roll 21, pages 207-209, transcribed on 21
Nov 2000 by Maynard Poythress.]

Barbara
= = = = =

John C. Poythress, Burke County, Georgia
Will of 25 July 1862

State of Georgia

I, John C. Poythress, of the county of Burke and said State being of sound
and disposing mind and memory do make ordain and establish this to be my
last will and testament hereby revoking all others made by me.

Item 1. I desire my body to be buried in a decent and proper manner
suitable to my administrators, my soul I trust will return to God who gave
it.

Item 2. I desire all my just debts to be paid as early as practicable after
my death.

Item 3. I bequeath to my niece Marian B. McIntosh the daughter of William
S. C. Morris of the county of Burke all my Confederate Bonds such as I now
have and such as I may hereafter acquire.

Item 4. The rest and residue of my estate both real and personal I devise
and bequeath unto my Executors and Trustees hereinafter named in trust to
be kept together to manage for the use and behoof of my niece Mary E.
Mandell and her daughter Ann Eliza R. Mandell to be maintained separate,
and exempt from the control, management, and direction or use in any way
whatever of her husband George A. Mandell. And to be so held until the
marriage either of said Mary E. or said Ann E. R. (should said Mary E. ever
again marry.

Item 5. In the event of the marriage of either then I direct an equal
division to be made between them share and share alike.

Item 6. The share of said Ann E. R. Mandell to be hers forever in fee
simple.

Item 7. The share of said Mary E. to be hers for and during her natural
life only unless she should again marry some other person than said George
A. In the event of her again so marrying then said share to be hers in fee
simple forever. But should she not again marry then at her death I devise
and bequeath her said share to Ann E. R. in fee simple forever.

Item 8. I devise and direct that such part of my estate be at my death
jointly at work and use upon the plantation remain his on station Augusta
and Savannah Rail Road in said Burke County with property belonging to
William S. C. Morris be continued and in the same way and under the same
management which with between him and myself so long as he may prefer, it
being part of the legacy to my said nieces Mary E. and Ann E. R.

Item 9. I do hereby constitute and appoint William S. C. Morris, James H.
Regals and Edward A. Carter, Jr. of said county of Burke, Executors and
trustees of my last will and testament.

John C. Poythress /s/
July 25, 1862

As witnesses signed, published and declared by testator to be his last will
and testament in presence of us who attested and subscribed the same at his
request in his presence and in the presence of each other.

Eliza Carruthers
Victoria Varner
Charlotte Carter
John S. Shoemake


Personally appeared in open court this day James H. Regals, one of the
executors of the last will and testament of John C. Poythress, late of said
county deceased and also John S. Shoemake one of the witnesses of said will
which said (witness being sworn) that he saw said John C. Poythress sign,
seal and publish and declare the said testimonial as his last will and
testament voluntarily and without compulsion, that he was of sound mind and
reasoning and said testator signed thereupon in the presence of the other
witnesses Victoria Varner, Charlotte Carter and Elizabeth Carruthers.that
the witnesses signed the same as such in the presence of said testator and
each other.
John S. Shoemake
Signed to & Subscribed
This 6 October 1862
Jas. A. Shoemake, CBC


This last will and testament of John C. Poythress late of Burke County
having been presented by James H. Regals one of the executors therein and
duely proven in common form by the testimony of John S. Shoemake one of the
subscribing witnesses thereto on motion of said executor James H. Regals it
is ordered that said will be admitted to access and that letters
testamentary do issue to the therein named except Edward A. Carter & to him
upon his arrival at age (21 years) upon his taking the oath as Executor
unencumbered by law. And it is further ordered that upon such letters
testamentary having been issued a warrant of appraisement be issued to
Thomas H. Blount, Edward J. Carter, John I. Jones, Edward Beque and Elisha
Watkins authorizing them or a majority of them to appraise the estate of
said deceased in terms of the law.


(Georgia Dept. of Archives & History
Microfilm drawer 115, roll 21, pages
207-209, transcribed 21 Nov 2000)		12/03/2000 10:04:04
More of R. Bolling Batte's Reading ListDiana DiamondThanks, Barbara. I'm still going on this list.

For those who may be new to the list, Batte was an engineer, a lawyer, and a
distinguished genealogist from Virginia, who is a distant relative of many
Poythress descendants. Much of his collection is in the digital collection
at the Library of Virginia's web site.

62 Goodwin, John S. The Goodwin Families in
America

66 Callahan Naval Register

68 Barksdale Genealogy

70 Gold, Thomas D. History of Clark County,
Virginia


72 Baskervill, P. Hamilton Andrew Meade of Ireland and
Virginia etc.

74 Read, Alice The Reads and their Relatives

76 Pierce, Frederick Clifton Feild (sic) Genealogy


78 E.E. Goodwyn Notes (in Goodwyn
File)

80 The BLAIRS of Richmond

82 Martindale-Hubbel Legal
Directory


84 Crozier, William Armstrong Williamsburg Wills

86 Weddell, Elizabeth History of St. Pauls Church

88 Mayo Descendants in Virginia


90 Walthall Notes

92 McIlhany, Hugh Milton Some Virginia Families

94 Ackerly, Mary Denham and Our Kin
Parker,Lula Eastman Jeter

96 Congressional Directory

97 Wise, Jennings Cropper Sunrise of VMI

98 Canary Cards: Poythress,
Randolph, Bland, Epes (Eppes), and numerous other families connected with
Batte but not Batte Descendants)


99 Dinwiddie County (WPA)

101 Goode, John Recollections of a Lifetime

103 Daniels, Jonathan Randolphs of Virginia, The

105 Sussex County (WPA)

107 Stephenson, Mary A. Old Homes in Surry and Sussex


109 Manual for Members,
Presbyterian Church
in Petersburg
111 Garrison, Lloyd R. Goodes

113 Keith, Charles P. Harrisons of James River


115 Hayden, Horace E. Virginia Genealogies

117 Page, Richard Channing Moore Genealogy of the Page Family
in Virginia

119 Blanton, Wyndham Medicine in Virginia 18th
Century


121 Blanton, Wyndham Bolling, MD Medicine in Virginia 19th
Century

123 Final Roster, Nottoway County

125 Nugent, Marion Nell Cavaliers and Pioneers		12/04/2000 4:23:10
"Batte Reading List"Diana, clear my fuzzy mind on this one, would you?

Your Batte list of 11/10 looked to be "articles" from various periodicals,
etc. some of which I have already collected and recorded on my "find and copy
all pages in Swem Index". I had planned to just "look up" the others. Does
your list of today imply that these are actually downloadable from LVA site?
Or, if not, are the ones, for example, in Southside Virginian (not in the
Swem) available any place other than finding a library that has these issues
bound "by the year" or whatever?

Now comes your Batte reading list of 12/4 with numbers that look awfully like
"card numbers" from that digitalized collection that I know is at LVA site.
I have already gone to Batte's on-site surname reference under "Poythress",
downloaded and printed all 205 of them or whatever (those things take forever
to load so I figured printing them would actually help). So, since you now
have a list of many numbers in "close" sequence, did they perhaps come out of
an on site LVA "chapter heading" in the Batte section that I perhaps missed?

Make it "see Spot run" would you? 🙂

Many thanks,

Maynard		12/04/2000 9:32:47
RE: "Batte Reading List"Diana DiamondI don't know about Spot, Maynard. I can make my dog speak, does that count?

I have been entering the information from LVA Batte Cards into a data base.

I began at http://image.vtls.com/collections/cc_archive.html then I linked
over to http://image.vtls.com/collections/cc_archive.html, then went to the
bottom of this list to publications.
http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawerIII/disk8/CC/BA/044/PUB1-75?1 I have been
working my way through these. When I have completed my "Batte research,"
I'll be happy to share the whole Access file.

Of course, if you have already done this, please share.

The number before the titles is the LVA card number. As I thought I
explained, but apparently didn't do well enough, the cards have been
digitalized front and back, and the back of the cards contains other family
information. There is more information on the "publication" cards which I am
trying to note, but not here.

I am calling the "report" his reading list because quite simply, while I
suspect that this was a catalog to his library, I am not at all sure.
Martindale-Hubbell is a legal directory, but it might be used for
genealogical purposes. Calling it a bibliography seems to be going too far.

I don't know how you view these entries, but I have found them interesting
in that while Batte used some "primary sources" in his work he sure did have
secondary sources, too. And at times, I guess it may be hard to determine
what is primary and what is secondary.

Got to go. My dog is literally ready to run. She's scratching at my leg.

Perhaps, you know more about these LVA-owned Batte cards?

Diana		12/04/2000 10:48:00
John C Poythress, George Poythress & Lewis PoythressCharles NealThanks again, Maynard, for the great work you did in transcribing the Will
you found for John C. Poythress!

This is an attempt to help Diana & others place John C Poythress of Burke
Co, GA in his correct branch of the Poythress family. It covers John C.
Poythress' known relationship to Major George Poythress [John's father] &
to Lewis Poythress [John's uncle]. This info is compiled from discussions
& research covered here on the Poythress-List several years ago.

Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg Co, VA and George Poythress [father of John
C Poythress] were brothers per the text of George's will, wherein he
referred to his "brother Lewis" living in Mecklenburg Co, VA. Per that same
will of George's, John Carter Poythress of Burke Co, GA was George's son.

For the benefit of those who were not subscribers on the Poythress-List
back a few years ago, I am recopying below my transcription of George
Poythress' will and my comments that appear below the will, about the later
suit re the will in Burke County, GA, Poythress v. Cheeseborough (as posted
by Al Tims several yrs ago to our Poythress research website). Both the
will & my further comments are still posted on the Poythress research
website, http://www1.minn.net/~atims/

Different subject: from Maynard's Nov. 28th message to the List,
captioned "Bingo!!" about having found and transcribed the Will of John C.
Poythress, "Some of the names of the legatees are strangers to us.
Also apparent is the animosity that John C. Poythress held for George A.
Mandell who married his sister (?). I am not familiar with any connection
whereby Mary E. Mandell and her daughter Ann Eliza R. Mandell become nieces
of John C. Poythress."

My response: As shown in the will of George Poythress & the subsequent
Burke Co, GA suit arising from it, Mary E (nee Poythress) Mandell (later
Cheeseborough) was daughter of George Poythress, and half-sister of John C
Poythress. Her daughter, Ann Eliza R Mandell, would thus be niece of John
C. Yet we see in Maynard's transcription of the will of John C Poythress
in item 4, "...for the use and behoof of my niece Mary E. Mandell and her
daughter Ann Eliza R. Mandell to be maintained separate.." Two
possibilities occur to me:
- (1) Maybe John C's relationship with half-sister Mary E was more like
uncle & niece due to their 30-yr difference in ages [see census item
below], and John just thought of her as "niece" even though she was his
half-sister.
- (2) Might it be a possible transcription error either by the Burke
County clerk who originally recorded the will (or maybe even possibly by
you Maynard, due to the difficult-to-read microfilm)? -- ie perhaps his
original will said something slightly different such as "...of my sister
and niece, Mary E Mandell and her daughter Ann..."

This census item is from Maynard's quoted info of several months ago [Sorry
I don't have the exact date earlier this year, or the caption of the
message, to which he attached this info in a Word document] from "Families
of Burke County, Georgia 1755-1855, A Census," by authors: Robert S. Davis,
Silas Lucas. In Maynard's quote, he included the fact that this is from
"the 1850 Census of Burke County, Schedule 1, Free Persons, Enumerated by
John J. Triggs, Asst. Marshal, No. 15" [15th household, I presume?] a list
of the following persons [who I took to be in one household].
- John C. Poythress, age 52, M[ale], [occupation] Planter, [born in]
Georgia [who had] (Real Est. worth $30M);
- George A. Mandell, age 22,M[ale], [occupation] Agent w/RR, [born in]
Florida;
- Mary E., age 22, F[emale], [born in] Florida;
- John P., age 4, M[ale], [born in] Florida;
- Ann E., age 2, F[emale], [born in] Florida

[Separate question to Maynard: I'm assuming that the surnames of the
persons listed below George A Mandell's name were shown as dittos of
"Mandell" -- right? If not -- that is if "John P." could have been "John
P. Poythress" -- then I would greatly appreciate knowing that, as that
would solve a separate research problem.]

Also, I don't think you should *necessarily* attach "animosity" to John C's
feeling for George A Mandell -- it could just be that he knew that George
Mandell was wealthy enough in his own right to not *need* money from John
C. Or if it was truly "animosity" then it would certainly seem that John C
had plenty of opportunity to form the conclusion, having had George A
Mandell & Mary E living with him in 1850.

Another different subject, also from Maynard's Nov. 28th message to the
List, captioned "Bingo!!" about having found and transcribed the Will of
John C. Poythress: re Maynard's question: "And where do William S. C.
Morris and his daughter Marian B. McIntosh [mentioned in the below Will of
John C Poythress] fit in? Comments welcomed"

My response: I don't recall us having info about who John C Poythress
himself married. If I have such info anywhere, it is not here travelling
with me. However, perhaps John's wife could have had a brother William
S.C. Morris. Under that scenario, William Morris' daughter, Marian B,
could have married a McIntosh, and would have indeed been the niece of
John's wife's and thus of John. This is pure speculation on my part, based
on nothing.

Hope some of this helps, at least in placing John C Poythress as son of
George Poythress & nephew of Lewis Poythress.
Barbara

= = = =
Will of George Poythress,
filed in the Jackson County Courthouse
Marianna, Jackson County, Florida

Transcript of the Will (from the original, signed with all
the different signatures), outside of
which says that it was "Recorded in Book E, page 286 & 287
this 19th day of July 1832. H.N.
Nowland, Clk."Territory of Florida, County of Jackson"
[Note: spelling, sentence structure,
and punctuation are done here as in the original document]

In the name of God Amen. I George Poythress of the Territory
and County aforesaid calling to
mind that all men must die and wishing to dispose of my
worldly Estate do make and ordain this
as my last will and Testament in Manner and form following
to wit Item 1st I give and bequeath
unto my Son John Carter Poythress my tract of Land lying and
being in the County of Burk in
the State of Georgia Known as the Rocky Creek Plantation to
him and his heirs and assigns
forever Item 2nd I give and bequeath unto John C. Poythress
of Burk County in the state of
Georgia and my friend James W. Exum of Jackson County West
Florida whom I hereby
nominate create and appoint Executors of this my last Will
and Testament in trust as such
executors all the remaining part of my Estate real &
Personal both in Law and Equity with all
monies and evidences of Debts due me to them & their heirs
Executors and Administrators, But
upon this special trust and confidence and for the purposes
hereinafter mentioned, That is to say
to suffer and permit my daughter Mary Elizabeth Mandell
receive and use to her sole and
separate use free from the controle or contracts of her
husband or husbands the income and
profits of my saidEstate for and during her natural life.
And I do hereby declare that my said
daughter's separate receipt notwithstanding her said
coverture shall be a sufficient & legal
discharge to the said Trustees for the Income of said
property so paid over to her from time to
time. And it is further my will and desire that should my
said daughter have a child or children
living at her death then & in that case I give and bequeath
said Estate Real & Personal herein
conveyed to said Child or children and to them their heirs
and assigns forever - But if my said
daughter depart this life without having a child or children
living at her death then and in that
case it is my will and desire that my said Estate real and
personal after my daughter's death
without children living go to and I do bequeath the same to
such children of my Brother Lewis of
the State of Virginia as may be living at the death of my
Daughter.

I do hereby nominate and appoint my Son John Carter
Poythress and my friend James W. Exum
my Executors to carry this my last will into effect hereby
revoking all former wills made by me -
In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed
my seal this Sixth day of April In
the year of our Lord 1829 -- Geo Poythress

Signed Sealed and Executed
In the presence of us who sign the same in the presence
of
the Testator and in the presence of each other --
Wm. J. Mauldin
Robert Ross
H. D. Stone
= = = =
Notes and Observations:

Some of you are aware that a brother of Lewis Poythress of
Virginia, i.e.George Poythress, died in
Jackson County, Florida (at that time JacksonCounty,
Territory of Florida) well after making his will
(signed on 6 April1829), around July 1832. William Mauldin,
Esqr, who had witnessed it,swore on 19
July 1832 in Jackson County Territory of Florida that George
signed it in the presence of him and the
other 2 witnesses, Robert Ross, and H.D. Stone.

I offer the following observations/questions after having
just tediously read thru copies that arrived from
Salt Lake today, requested when we returned from there in
March: all 11 pages of "Poythress vs.
Cheesborough" from Burke Co., GA's "Equity Records
1834-1852" pp. 77-87 for 1848 (FHL film #
222,856), where George's will appears as Exhibit A, and
where the lengthy inventory of George's
property appears as Exhibit B, all of which is in the Burke
Co Clerk's difficult-to-read handwriting:

- It is stated in the court proceedings by John C. Poythress
(who was named in George's will as his son,
and as his executor along with another executor James W.
Exum) that Mary Mandell, "now Mary
Cheesborough" (who was named in George's will as his
daughter) is his (John's) half sister.

- It is further stated in the court proceeding, by the way,
that Mary's "maternal uncle" is Alexander L.
Lawson, who they finally settled on to be Trustee for Mary
after John C. was getting too feeble to want to
do it any more, which seems to be the cause for this court
action.

- It mentions in the inventory and accounting of George's
estate, when listing EXPENSES paid out of the
estate, a "Richmond Factory" not further identified.
Richmond County, GA was formed in 1777 (same
year as Burke Co was formed) immediately north of Burke Co.
so this could be some factory in
Richmond County, or it could be in Richmond, VA perhaps, or
elsewhere. There does not appear to be
(or have been) a Richmond in Florida... Does this Richmond
Factory ring any familiar bell for anyone?
Each year for several years a sum around 60 (pounds?) was
paid out to the factory according to the
accounting.

- My main question, especially directed to Bud since I
cannot locate the answer in my stuff from his
former researcher Kathy Best, is: - Did we ever see the will
and estate proceedings for Mary
Cheesborough?

- That should state (1) whether or not she had any living
heirs to inherit the estate from her father George;
and (2) IF she did not have any heirs, then HER ESTATE
PROCEEDINGS would be where we could
find any info about any children of George's brother Lewis
in Virginia: they would have to then make a
search for them, &/or list them, etc. That, of course is a
big IF.

- (My secondary question is Why did it take so long for this
to hit me?)

Presumably Mary died wherever she lived. Thus I have also
just combed through the copies I made in
Jackson Co, FL last week of George's entire estate packet,
to see where that may have been. Looks like
it was Jackson Co, FL. She signed some of the receipts for
proceeds of the crops of various years, in
Marianna, which is in Jackson County, FL, and others just in
Jackson Co. Wish I had thought of that while
I was in the court house there, and could easily have at
least hunted for her estate packet...

One slip of paper in George's estate packet mentions the
possibility of her having children. It is an 1845
"Return of John C. Poythress Executor of the last will of
George Poythress Decd and trustee under the will
of the property of Mary E. Cheeseborough & her children"
which then lists the various years 1841-1844
for which John paid her receipts from the crops. This of
course doesn't let us know if she had any surviving
heirs whenever she died.
= = =		12/05/2000 6:28:00
Batte Reading List Continued (3)Diana DiamondThis the third in a series of reports of R. Bolling Batte's card file of
publications at the Library of Virginia, which has on a digital collection.
As I have begun to transcribe the second of three groupings, I have changed
my "report" format. Each of 3 Publication groups at the LVA starts over
with 1, but Batte numbered his own cards which I am now giving you on the
far left to keep the listing in order. When changing Access to text, the
formatting gets a little jumbled, and I apologize.

For anyone wanting to examine the digital cards, I suggest you begin at
http://image.vtls.com/collections/cc_archive.html, choose the link to
Batte's collection (http://image.vtls.com/collections/cc_archive.html) or go
directly to the Publication cards
first
third
second
third
last
third

Batte's Number LVA Card Author Title

P-67 131 Burwell, George Burwell
Family, The
Harrison
133
P-68 Couper, William V.M.I.
Newmarket Cadets, The

P-69 134 Jefferson, Mary Old Homes and
Buildings in Amelia County
Armstrong
P-70 136 Saunders Westover
Church

138
P-71 Secret Diary
of William Byrd (1)

P-72 139 Another
Secret Diary of William Byrd (2)

P-73 140 London Diary
of William Byrd (3)

141
P-74 Clarke, Peyton Neale Old King
William Homes and Families

P-75 143 Nugent, Marion Nell Cavaliers and
Pioneers 1666-1695

P-76 1 Fothergill, Augusta B. Virginia
Taxpayers

3
P-77 Meade, William (MD) Old
Churches-Ministers, and Families of
Virginia
P-78 5 Stratton, Harriet R. A Book of
Stratttons

P-79 7 Boddie, John Bennett Colonial
Surry

9
P-80 Gott, John K. Fauquier
County - Abstracts of Wills and
Accounts



11
P-81 Bruce, Philip Alexander Rebirth of
the Old Dominion Vol. 3

P-82 12 Bruce, Philip Alexander Rebirth of
the Old Dominion Vol. 4

P-83 13 Bruce, Philip Alexander Rebirth of
the Old Dominion Vol. 5 *

14
P-84 Biographies
(American Historical Society)
Vol IV (1924)
P-85 15 Biographies
(American Historical Society)
Vol V (1924)
P-86 16 Biographies
(American Historical Society)
Vol VI (1924)
17
P-87 Tyler, Lyon G. Virginia
Biographies, Vol. III *

P-88 18 Tyler, Lyon G. Virginia
Biographies, Vol. IV *

P-89 19 Tyler, Lyon G. Virginia
Biographies, Vol. V *


P-90 20 Boddie, John Bennett Virginia
Historical Genealogies

P-91 21 Boddie, John Bennett Southside
Virginia Families Vol 1

P-92 22 Boddie, John Bennett Southside
Virginia Families Vol 2		12/06/2000 8:23:50
Batte Reading List Continued (4)Diana DiamondFrom R. Bolling Batte's publications list at the Virginia Library's on line
digital collection. Batte does list some publications twice. This is not a
misprint. To clarify any questions on publications that interest you,
consult earlier emails for URLS.

Diana

Batte's # LVA # Author Title

P-93 23 Boddie, John Bennett Historical
Southern Families Vol 1

P-94 24 Boddie, John Bennett Historical
Southern Families Vol II

P-95 25 Boddie, John Bennett Historical
Southern Families Vol III


P-96 26 Boddie, John Bennett Historical
Southern Families Vol IV

P-97 27 Boddie, John Bennett Historical
Southern Families Vol V

P-98 28 Boddie, John Bennett Historical
Southern Families Vol VI


P-99 29 Boddie, John Bennett Historical
Southern Families Vol VIII

P-100 30 Baird, Nancy Chappelear Fauquier
County - Tombstone Inscriptions

P-101 31 Blanton, Wyndham Bolling (MD) Making of a
Downtown Church


P-102 32 (State Library Bulletin No. Portraits in
Virginia State Library
XIII)
P-103 33 Hardy, Stella Pickett Colonial
Families in the Southern States

P-104 34 Ravenscroft, Ruther Thayer Ravenscroft
Family History


P-105 35 Adventures of
Purse and Person *

P-106 36 McGill (Magill?) Beverly
Family of Virginia, The

P-107 37 Campbell, Leslie Lyle The Dance
Family in Virginia


P-108 38 Wise, Jennings Cropper Sunrise of
VMI


P-109 39 Jett, Dora In Tidewater
Virginia

P-110 40 Warner, Ezra J. Generals in
Gray

P-111 41 Whitelaw, Ralph T. Virginia's
Eastern Shore 2 volumes


P-112 42 Mallory
Family

P-113 43 Creecy, John Harvie Virginia
Antiquary - Princess Anne Papers

P-114 44 Miller, Joseph Lyon Descendants
of Capt. Thomas Carter


P-115 45 Potter, Maude Willises of
Virginia

P-116 46 Cockes and
Cousins I **

P-117 47 Family of
Edward Eppes *


P-118 48 Hendrick, Burton J. Lees of
Virginia, The		12/06/2000 11:38:31
RE: Batte listRe: the Batte reading list, item #76 "....Feild (sic)..", part of the Field
family (at least in VA) still follows the spelling of the name as "Feild."		12/06/2000 12:55:39
Re: (no subject)Welcome to the Poythress wire, Teresa. We are delighted to have you. We
have a few North Carolinians. Since there are more Poythresses in NC than
any other state I have been surprised that our listserver has a bunch from
VA, GA, and AL and only a few from NC.

I'm sure one of the guys or gals will pick this up and try to help you.

Again, Welcome!

Maynard Poythress



12/07/2000 3:28:29
Re: John C Poythress, George Poythress & Lewis PoythressThanks for the kudos on the John C. Poythress will.......I wasn't especially
proud as much as overcome by good luck.....a happenstance that comes along
too seldom working with the kind of records available to us. Now, in
re-reading Martha Dixon's
correspondence she refers to this will and its precise location so she either
had it all along or at least had all the information.

I'll take a piece of it at a time because you pose a lot of questions:

1) I am very much inclined to believe that either John C. (or perhaps even
the "convention" of the times) did not distinguish between generations of
nieces. Another possibility is that John C. was dictating the thing and just
called both mother and daughter nieces....perhaps even along the line of
thinking that "niece once removed" was not all that relevent. In this case,
however, I'm rather inclined to think the distinction is not important since
John C., with virtually every mention, goes
into detail with full names and relationships of everybody to everybody else,
thereby relieving us of the necessity to wonder.

2) on a subject you DIDN'T mention, after looking at the comparative dates
I'm raising my favorable "odds" for putting Meredith Sr. into the mix as a
son of Thomas and thereby a brother to both George and Lewis. Meredith, Sr.
and especially Meredith, Jr. are just bailed out too often by George for
their to not be a close connection. A further leap that is not too difficult
is that there are a couple of other brothers in there even if we don't have
Martha/Patsey (Thomas' wife) 'hooked" to ANYBODY else........other than that
tenuous Land Lottery entrant "Orphans of Thomas Poythress" which we now
suspect we will probably never identify.

3) as for John C. Poythress' wife:

11/20/1823....In Waynesborough, Burke County, MARRIED on Thursday, the 20th
inst. by the Rev. Mr. Babbit JOHN C. POYTHRESS, ESQ., to MISS ELOISE AMELIA
MORRIS. (11/20/1823, 3, 1). We have this under my lengthy post of
"Poythress Index to the Augusta Chronical 1788-1827." The citation "code"
means newspaper date of 11/20/1823, page 3, column 1.

This one nails a "twofer" for us: who was John C.'s wife and how does
"Morris" fit in?

Another Morris entry which brings in the Carter aspect (and MAYBE but by no
means certain another "Morris."

09/10/1821....NOTICE...John C. Poythress, qualified administrat'r on the
estate of A.
Carter, in my absence application can be made to my attorney J. Morris, Esq.
to whom any necessary information may be returned relative to the settlement
of said estate. Jacksonborough, Sept. 10. (09/10/1821, 3, 1) [could J.
Morris be a relative of the William S. C. Morris in the will?]

If you have kept your correspondence that I copied for most of you (the
material from Martha Dixon.....well, Martha just unravels this whole knotty
ball in hers of 26 Aug
1997 and a couple of others around that date. It runs to several pages and
its stated in a narrative vehicle so it is not the easiest in the world to
understand but all the characters in this entire family are right there where
they are supposed to be.

Maynard		12/07/2000 8:12:09
(no subject)I recently joined the Poythress list because I have started researching my
grandmother's family. Her mother's name was Guarica Jane Poythress, born
December 16, 1890 and died November ? 1922. She married John W. Harper who
was born March 18, 1878 and died July ? 1947. I don't know where my
great-grandmother was born. I know that my grandmother was born in 1910 in
Franklin county in North Carolina. Her name was Virginia White Harper
Collins. Does anyone know anything about any of these people? I am a rookie
at this but I am really enjoying the search.
Thanks!
Teresa		12/07/2000 12:28:44
Fw: (no subject)Lyn BairdSarah, I do not recognize this one. Would it be a John Lewis Poythress
descendant?

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: TWhite5676@aol.com
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:28:44 EST
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID:

I recently joined the Poythress list because I have started researching
my
grandmother's family. Her mother's name was Guarica Jane Poythress, born

December 16, 1890 and died November ? 1922. She married John W. Harper
who
was born March 18, 1878 and died July ? 1947. I don't know where my
great-grandmother was born. I know that my grandmother was born in 1910
in
Franklin county in North Carolina. Her name was Virginia White Harper
Collins. Does anyone know anything about any of these people? I am a
rookie
at this but I am really enjoying the search.
Thanks!
Teresa


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Re: Info from England - Poytress [Poythress]Lyn BairdBarbara and Pat, I am just beginning to catch up on correspondence and
wanted to let you know the material Barbara distributed to us on 11/19 is
very much appreciated.

Pat, the fact that you have documented lineage connecting sixteenth
century Poythresses with nineteenth century Poythresses should serve as
an encouragement to us, your American cousins, who so far have yet to
succeed in making such connections in our lines. I find it thrilling
that Ploddy House is known to be the residence of a sixteenth-century
Poythress (John Pewdreies) who is likely my ancestor. I hope someday to
visit it. Thanks for sharing such jewels of information with your
American cousins.

Best regards,
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Bud,
Thanks for your response. I was pleasantly surprised at the end, however.
You see, I was born in Wilmington, NC and was just there when my grandmother
died 10/31/00. My relatives live there and I spent all my summers growing up
there. I now live in Jacksonville, FL and am here only because my Dad was
transferred with Atlantic Coast Line Railroad in 1960. Unfortunately, I
decided to do this family search after my grandmother died. She would have
been able to supply this info that will probably take me a long time. My
great-grandmother , Guarica Jane Poythress, was born on 12/16/1890 and died
in 11/1922. She died of pneumonia. My grandmother was 12 at the time and she
(my grandmother) had a brother named John. My grandmother was born
9/20/1910. My great-grandfather, John W. Harper was born 3/18/1878 and died
7/1947. I know my grandmother grew up in the Louisburg area. Anyway, it's
fun searching. My aunts, uncles, and cousins are in Wilmington. Do you know
anyone named Collins?

Teresa

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To: Lyn Baird -- and
To: TWhite5678 (Teresa)

In reference to your message listed below, and I'm not sure there is any
connection here, but just for information and acting only on the name
"Harper" listed in Teresa's message. ..... The name "Harper" only rings my
bell because of the following.

For the past couple years we've been attempting to identify a connection with
a "Nathaniel Harper Poythress" -- (married a Rachel Flake, b. Nov. 1859 in
Screven County, GA). Besides, I believe this is the very first and only time
that the name "Harper" has appeared to be connected with the Poythresses.

Both, along with a number of their children are buried in Oak Hill Baptist
Church Cemetery in Jenkins County, GA (near to the Screven-Jenkins County
line).

Thus far we've been completely unable to make a connection with any of our
Poythress lines although I too have some family members buried in that same
cemetery. It once occurred to me just maybe this Nathaniel Harper Poythress
just maybe was born in NC so I inquired of Sarah Poythress (one of our
members and a very knowledgeable researcher in NC) but she was unable to
locate a connection as well -- although she said the name did sounded
somewhat familiar!

Further -- a sometimes monitor of the Poythress wetsite and a friend -- Doris
Burke ODUM of Wellford, SC has done considerable research on this "Poythress"
attempting to make a connection because she also has a connection (I think it
is) through a grandmother with this Rachel Flake family line.

If either of you believe there may be a connection to this Nathaniel Harper
Poythress lines you are questioning, I can dig through my files for some
further information such as birth and death dates and the names of their
children (with dates) buried there also.

Good luck,

Bud Poythress
Wilmington, NC


<< Subj: Fw: (no subject)
Date: 12/11/2000 12:28:51 AM Atlantic Standard Time
From: llbaird@juno.com (Lyn Baird)
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Sarah, I do not recognize this one. Would it be a John Lewis Poythress
descendant?

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:28:44 EST
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID:

I recently joined the Poythress list because I have started researching
my
grandmother's family. Her mother's name was Guarica Jane Poythress, born

December 16, 1890 and died November ? 1922. She married John W. Harper
who
was born March 18, 1878 and died July ? 1947. I don't know where my
great-grandmother was born. I know that my grandmother was born in 1910
in
Franklin county in North Carolina. Her name was Virginia White Harper
Collins. Does anyone know anything about any of these people? I am a
rookie
at this but I am really enjoying the search.
Thanks!
Teresa >>


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Fw: Poythress listSarah Poythress----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Poythress
To:
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress list


> Teresa,
>
> It is very good to hear from you. I don't know how much help I can be, but
> maybe together we can work this out. I have J.W. Harper 1883-1952 d. in
> Louisburg, Franklin Co. NC, m. S.B. I have one child Rufus Haywood
Poythress
> 1886-1947, m. 22 Dec 1917 in Franklin Co., NC. I have one childe Alex
Jewel
> Poythress 1922-1991, d. Raleigh, Wake Co., NC. Married Clifford Gilliam.
>
> I also have Hattie Elizabeth Collins 1887-1960, buried at Corinth Baptist
> Church, Ingleside, Franklin Co., NC, m. Ernest Foster Poythress 1880 died
> 4 Dec 1946 in Vance Co., NC and married 19 Dec. 1903 in Henderson, Vance
> Co., NC.
>
> Let me know if you can tie any of these in whith your family. If you can I
> think we can begin to figure out this side of the Poythress family.
>
> Good luck,
> Sarah
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 5:13 PM
> Subject: Poythress list
>
>
> > Hi, Sarah,
> >
> > I recently posted a message to the Poythress list and received a
reply
> > from Horace Poythress. He said you are researching the Poythress family
> in
> > Franklin county. My grandmother was Virginia White Harper Collins and
she
> > was born in Franklin county. Her parents were Guarica Jane Poythress
> Harper
> > and John W. Harper. I have just started researching the family and I am
> new
> > at this. I am really enjoying it, though. My research has been limited
> to
> > the internet so far. But, I just started a month ago. I am anxious to
> find
> > out who my great-grandmother's parents were. Please let me know if you
> have
> > any info or can send me in a certain direction.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Teresa
>		12/11/2000 4:19:53
Re: Fw: (no subject)To: Lyn Baird -- and
To: TWhite5678 (Teresa)

In reference to your message listed below, and I'm not sure there is any
connection here, but just for information and acting only on the name
"Harper" listed in Teresa's message. ..... The name "Harper" only rings my
bell because of the following.

For the past couple years we've been attempting to identify a connection with
a "Nathaniel Harper Poythress" -- (married a Rachel Flake, b. Nov. 1859 in
Screven County, GA). Besides, I believe this is the very first and only time
that the name "Harper" has appeared to be connected with the Poythresses.

Both, along with a number of their children are buried in Oak Hill Baptist
Church Cemetery in Jenkins County, GA (near to the Screven-Jenkins County
line).

Thus far we've been completely unable to make a connection with any of our
Poythress lines although I too have some family members buried in that same
cemetery. It once occurred to me just maybe this Nathaniel Harper Poythress
just maybe was born in NC so I inquired of Sarah Poythress (one of our
members and a very knowledgeable researcher in NC) but she was unable to
locate a connection as well -- although she said the name did sounded
somewhat familiar!

Further -- a sometimes monitor of the Poythress wetsite and a friend -- Doris
Burke ODUM of Wellford, SC has done considerable research on this "Poythress"
attempting to make a connection because she also has a connection (I think it
is) through a grandmother with this Rachel Flake family line.

If either of you believe there may be a connection to this Nathaniel Harper
Poythress lines you are questioning, I can dig through my files for some
further information such as birth and death dates and the names of their
children (with dates) buried there also.

Good luck,

Bud Poythress
Wilmington, NC


<< Subj: Fw: (no subject)
Date: 12/11/2000 12:28:51 AM Atlantic Standard Time
From: llbaird@juno.com (Lyn Baird)
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Sarah, I do not recognize this one. Would it be a John Lewis Poythress
descendant?

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:28:44 EST
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I recently joined the Poythress list because I have started researching
my
grandmother's family. Her mother's name was Guarica Jane Poythress, born

December 16, 1890 and died November ? 1922. She married John W. Harper
who
was born March 18, 1878 and died July ? 1947. I don't know where my
great-grandmother was born. I know that my grandmother was born in 1910
in
Franklin county in North Carolina. Her name was Virginia White Harper
Collins. Does anyone know anything about any of these people? I am a
rookie
at this but I am really enjoying the search.
Thanks!
Teresa >>		12/11/2000 7:49:57
Roll CallDear List,
My husband is descended from a Frances Poythress, born about 1722 in
Granville, North Carolina. She married William Gill in Mecklenburg VA and
was the mother of Joseph Gill born about 1735. They seemed to have lived in
North Carolina most of their lives.

I would appreciate hearing from others of this line.
Greta Mitchell		12/12/2000 1:22:39
Roll CallJohn Maynard Poythress. Specifically, looking for link between Thomas
Poythress of Brunswick County and his father. In general, I suppose a
one-name study as Craig calls it; i. e. just trying to wire the entire bunch
together.



12/12/2000 1:40:54
Brunswick Co, VA Civil War SoldiersCharles NealIn case any of you have an interest in this subject, I thought I would pass
on this info from a flyer I received. There is a new book available:

Civil War Soldiers From Brunswick County, Virginia
by Dr. William M Pritchett

The flyer says, in part, that Dr. Pritchett devoted 2 decades to
researching the family history of the soldiers who lived in the county
during or after the Civil War. His accumulated archives -- The Pritchett
Collection is at the Brunswick County Library in Lawrenceville. For 7 yrs
beginning in 1972, the "Brunswick Times-Gazette" published his articles on
the family history of 1,140 soldiers and other individuals from Brunswick
who contributed to the war effort. Each article related the soldier's
military service, his parents, brothers & sisters, and then the soldier's
own family to 2 or 3 generations. Following the articles' publication he
received a tremendous amt of additional military & family history that he
used to update the topics & compiled the material into a book, but it
remained unpublished at his death in 1989. His son, John W Pritchett, a
colonial Virginia genealogist, has published the book. It was printed by
Gateway Press of Baltimore, an affiliate of Genealogical Publishing Co.
The book also gives the history of several Conf Army units in which
Brunswick men served.

The book also contains the group photo of many of the vets surviving in
1908 at their reunion. A small copy of the photo & the names of more than
30 of those pictured, & more about the book, including a list of the 1,140
individuals covered by the book (with some info about each of them), may be
found at:
www.virginians.com

There was no Poythress listed at the site, but I did see many familiar
names including
Baird
Cleaton
Eppes
Parham
Stanley
Taylor
Wynne

Civil War Soldiers From Brunswick County, Virginia
by Dr. William M Pritchett, 8.5x11, 744 pp, indexed, clothbound, $70 + $3
shipping

I suspect the book might also be available thru our own list member Craig
Scott, but the flyer states that books are available from:

John W Pritchett
P O Box 9086
Dallas, TX 75209-9086
214-352-3259		12/12/2000 2:13:34
Roll CallPoythress Family of Wilson, North Carolina and other areas.

John Lee Poythress



12/12/2000 2:38:52
Roll CallSarah PoythressLooking for Poythress in VA and NC. Vance, Franklin and Granville Counties, NC and Mecklenburg Co., VA

Still looking parents of John Lewis Poythress. Family members had him as son of James edward & Cathrine Preston Poythress. Need proof.

Sarah



12/12/2000 2:56:54
roll callhoracep8Poythress of Northampton Co. NC




12/12/2000 7:05:41
Roll CallOne of our members has suggested a roll call. It has been a long time since
the last one and the process is probably long overdue.

For those of you who may not be familiar with the procedure, it is quite
simple. One just sends a message to > poythress-l@rootsweb < with your
identification; i. e. name, your general Poythress and/or your specific
Poythress interest.

The purpose of "roll calls" is to let each of us bring up to date his or her
interest so that other members of the group may offer information or ask
information.....or to let members know to whom and where to go with questions
or information.

A VERY brief bio blurb is nice but not required.

Also NOT REQUIRED is any answer at all if one prefers to remain anonymous to
simply audit the posts.

It would be very much appreciated if each of you who wants to answer the call
(no pun intended) do so by December 20 so we can get it over and done with.
A common problem with roll calls is that people dribble them in over a matter
of weeks
thereby keeping other members from making out their lists and being done with
it.

Many thanks for your help. It is to be hoped that this roll call will add a
bit of yeast to our listserver.

Maynard Poythress		12/12/2000 9:10:32
Prince George Land Tax RecordsThis "study" has been send to the members who have provided me with their
e-mails. Without a listmeister and without the ability to send "attachments"
through
e-mail, one can only receive postings as attachments sent to the ones who
have sent me an e-mail. If you are among that group but don't receive the
post please let me know. Also, if you are not on the list and want the
posts, just send me your e-mails. Thanks.

In 1782 the General Assemby of Virginia enacted a major revision of the tax
laws of the commonwealth. The act provided for statewide enumeration on the
county level of land and certain personal property. The act created a
permanent source of revenue for the operation of government in Virginia.

Copies of annual lists of land owners for each county and city from 1782 (or
the formation of the county if after 1782) to the present are available for
research in the Library of Virginia.

While many instances of Poythress land transactions/ownership predate 1782
many of these records are lost or destroyed. However, this list beginning in
1782 affords us something of a continuum unavailable elsewhere. For example,
if Peter Poythress owned land in 1794 and the Estate of Peter Poythress owns
tax next year on the same plots and same acreage that gives us a fairly good
fix on the death date of Peter Poythress. We can also be alerted to look for
the ultimate disposition of the estate.

The magnitude of these records is significant for us. We will have the 1782
and forward Land Tax Records as well as Personal Property Tax records for
counties we care to research. To my mind, that suggests counties Prince
George, Dinwiddie, Charles City, Amelia, Surry, Sussex, Brunswick, Lunenburg,
Mecklenburg, Isle of Wight.....and likely a couple I have missed. Obviously,
putting all of this together is an enormous project. I doubt if any of us
will have the time available to put up in Richmond and spend several months
of free time putting it together. One avenue is that the inventory of
microfilm is on the LVA page and the microfilm can be ordered
on inter-library loan.

While I obviously did not finish even this "run" of the Prince George
records, the scanning of microfilm goes with reasonable speed if abstracting
year, name, and acres. I don't know what the Personal Property Lists will
reflect as I didn't have time to even get into that microfilm.

The point of all of the above comments is to say that on these lengthy
projects that will take considerable time to put together...

1) I plan to go ahead and post what I have with a "revision date".

2) for other list members who have the time and/or opportunity to work on the
project
the format is there and any of us, I'm sure, will be delighted for you to
pick it up
do what you can with it, changing the "revision date" when you have
finished.

Thanks,

Maynard Poythress		12/12/2000 9:10:41
ROLL CALLGary Silver gsilver200@aol.com
John Gilliam-Elizabeth Poythress (Early 1700's Bristol Parish, Washington
Co., Virginia)		12/12/2000 9:34:12
Roll CallCliff and Sheryl TownsendSheryl Rowell Townsend descendant of:

Captain Robert Wynne and Mary Sloman Poythress

&

John Woodliff and Mary Poythress d/o Joshua Poythress



12/12/2000 12:16:12
Roll CallCharles NealPoythress /Poytress (and other spellings) anywhere, anytime

Barbara Poythress Neal
BarbPoythressNeal@CompuServe.com



12/12/2000 12:24:06
Prince George Land Tax RecordsCharles NealMaynard,

I got your message (sent at 3:07pm today) to the List with the above in the
subject line. Though it said you had sent the file out, I have not gotten
any message from you with an attached file. I did get one other message
from you with a similar caption ("PG Land Tax Records"), but the entire
content of that message just said, "As explained in separate e-mail." It
had no attached file.

Did you forget to attach it, or just not yet send the file?
Barbara		12/12/2000 12:24:08
RE: Roll CallLou PooleI'm Lou Poole of Richardson, TX, Poythress wannabe 🙂 I'm a
descendant of John Wall, Jr., of Brunswick Co., VA, who is supposed to
have married Ann Poythress ca. 1740. It appears that Joshua Poythress
(d. 1739) of Flowerdew Hundred and ____ Hardyman/Hardiman.		12/12/2000 12:24:21
Re: Roll CallRoll call:

LeRoof "Bud" POYTHRESS -- (b. 1/27/21 Savannah, GA & d. -- still living, or
least I was this morning - I think). Second s/o Joseph Eugene and Martha
Elizabeth (Gnann) Poythress, Sr., and m. 12/17/43 Esther Merle Clark, (b.
Emanuel County, GA - 3/31/21 & still living). Presently living in
Wilmington, NC.

Descendant 'down the line' from Thomas Poythress who appears to have migrated
from VA to Burke County, GA in the late 1780s.		12/12/2000 12:32:53
RE: Roll CallLou PooleWell, I blew it with one of those old-age moments. I intended to say
that Ann Poythress is thought to be the daughter of Joshua Poythress
and ___ Hardyman/Hardiman...

I'm Lou Poole of Richardson, TX, Poythress wannabe 🙂 I'm a
descendant of John Wall, Jr., of Brunswick Co., VA, who is supposed to
have married Ann Poythress ca. 1740. It appears that Joshua Poythress
(d. 1739) of Flowerdew Hundred and ____ Hardyman/Hardiman.


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visit http://www.rootsweb.com/		12/12/2000 12:49:41
Roll CallDebbie FreemanI'm Debbie Poythress-Freeman and I'm researching Screven, Effingham, &
Bullock Counties, GA for the family of William E. Poythress m. Martha J.
Usher.
To all new members welcome to the group. We love having you join us!
Sincerely,
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12/13/2000 1:02:22
Batte Reading List Continued (5)Diana Diamond>From R. Bolling Batte's publications list at the Virginia Library's on line
digital collection.

Diana

P-119 49 Wilson, Edith Bolling My Memoirs

P-120 50 Alexander, Frederick Warren Stratford Hall and
the Lees


P-121 51 Couper, Willam 100 Years at VMI
Vol I

P-122 52 Couper, Willam 100 Years at VMI
Vol II

P-123 54 Couper, Willam 100 Years at VMI
Vol III


P-124 55 Couper, Willam 100 Years at VMI
Vol IV

P-125 56 Ryland, Elizabeth Hawes King William
County, Virginia from old
newspaper
P-126 58 Brown, Douglas Summers Greenville County,
Virginia


P-127 59 Armes, Ethel Stratford Hall

P-128 60 Christian, William Asbury Richmond, Past and
Present

P-129 61 Christian Family of
Virginia (PC-1/11)


P-130 62 Brock, Robert Alonzo Huguenot
Immigration to Virginia

P-131 64 Henry, Anne Fontaine Intimate Virginian

P-132 66 Byrds of Virginia
*


P-133 67 Robert Colin McLean Geroge Tucker

P-134 68 Lee, Edmund Jennings Lee of Virginia

P-135 69 Green, Raleigh Travers Culpeper County,
Virginia Note on


P-136 71 Arvin, Evelyn Ferguson Ante Bellum Houses
of Luneburg

P-137 73 Bagby, Alfred King and Queen
County

P-138 74 Jordan, Virginia Fitzgerald The Captain
Remembers

P-139 76 Greene, Katherine Glass Winchester,
Virginia


P-140 78 Lancaster, Robert A. (Jr.) Historic Virginia
Homes and Churches

P-141 79 Norfleet, Fillmore Suffolk in Virginia

P-142 80 Jones, Cadwallader A Genealogical
History
To clarify any questions on publications that interest you,
consult:
or
12/13/2000 1:38:37
Batte Reading List Continued (6)Diana Diamond>From R. Bolling Batte's publications list at the Virginia Library's on line
digital collection
Diana


P-143 81 Chappelear, B. Curtis Maps and Notes of
Upper Fauquier County

P-144 82 Cockes and Cousins
II **

P-145 83 Living Descendants
of Blood Royal * *


P-146 84 Allen, Sarah Cantey Our Children
Whitaker
P-147 85 Scott, William Wallace A History of Orange
County, Virginia

P-148 86 Journal and Letters
of Philip Vickers
Fithian I

P-149 87 Journal and Letters
of Philip Vickers
Fithian II
P-150 1 Rawlings, Mary Ante-Bellum
Albemarle

P-151 2 Williams, John Langbourne Pamphlet:
Selections from Family History


P-152 3 Bell, Landon C. Sunlight on the
Southside, Tithes,
Lunenburg Co.
P-153 5 Bell, Landon C. Charles Paris, York
County -Register

P-154 7 Norfleet, Fillmore St. Memin in
Virginia


P-155 8 Jones, Walter Burgwin Jones-Burgwin
Family History Vol I

P-156 9 Jones, Walter Burgwin Jones-Burgwin
Family History Vol II

P-157 10 Payne, Brooke Paynes of Virginia,
The


P-158 12 Bailey, James H. Older Petersburg

P159 13 Scott, Mary Wingfield Houses of Old
Richmond

P-160 14 Virginia Counties
(a bound volume of
pamphlets:

P-160 14 A.Guide to Hopewell
and Petersburg 61 pages

P-160 14 Wyatt, Edward A. (IV) B. Plantations and
Houses around Petersburg

P-160 14 Eubank, H. Ragland C. Historic
Northern Neck 109 pages and
index

P-160 14 D. Westmoreland
Association 32 pages


P-160 14 F Brunswick Count
VA (1807 exposition) 48
pages
P-160 14 Wright, TRB G Westmoreland
County 153 pages & index

P-160 14 Weaver Betty W. E Chesterfield
County 64 pages


P-161 15 Seldon, Jefferson Sinclair Sinclair Family of
Virginia

P-162 16 Selden Family *

P-163 17 Woods, Edgar Albemarle County in
Virginia


P-164 18 Pollard, Henry R. Henry Robinson
Pollard, Autobiography of

P-165 19 Munford, Robert Beverly Richmond Homes and
Memories

P-166 20 Dodson, E. Griffith Speakers and
Clerks--Virginia House of
Delegates

P-167 21 Waring, Lucy Lemoine Hardings of
Northumberland County, Virginia

P-168 22 Browning, Charles H. Americans of Royal
Descent

To clarify any questions on publications that interest you,
consult:
or
12/13/2000 1:38:38
Roll CallNancy SimmonsStill trying to find out if Delphy Wilkinson was the second wife of
Francis Poythress whose will in Dinwiddie County, Va. 1796, is on the
web site.		12/13/2000 2:17:51
Roll CallLyn BairdI'm Lyn Poythress Baird, thrice-great-grandson of Lewis Poythress (ca
1760 - ca 1847) of Mecklenburg Co., Virginia and his second wife, Rebecca
B. Taylor (ca 1770 - ca 1846). Lewis Poythress is known to be the
brother of George Poythress of Georgia and Florida. I am interested in
learning the parents of Lewis and George, and in all things Poythress;
also in meeting and collaborating with others interested in researching
these brothers.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Roll CallmediasoftAs a descendant of the youngest line of Poythress folks, Benjamin Poythress
of Petersburg, b. about 1826 married Susan Mary Williams. Had George W.
Poythress, Virginia Poythress, Mary Ellen Poythress, (born 1857 in
Petersburg, who married Robert Woodson Roberts (my gg-grandparents) on 11
December 1880 in Lynchburg, Virginia.), Susan Poythress who married
Williamson Lewis Tyus, and Laura Poythress.

This Benjamin, according to the tax lists of Prince George and Petersburg
appears first in PG and then Petersburg. He must be related to Joshua
Poythress, sheriff of PG in some way, in that a watch on the tax lists moves
from Joshua to Benjamin in the late 1850s before Joshua disappears into the
wilds of New Jersey.

Personally I am a retired Navy Medical Service Corps officer who spends his
life helping genealogists. A Certified Genealogical Records Specialist who
specializes in military research in the National Archives, I own Willow Bend
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:40 PM
Subject: Roll Call


> John Maynard Poythress. Specifically, looking for link between Thomas
> Poythress of Brunswick County and his father. In general, I suppose a
> one-name study as Craig calls it; i. e. just trying to wire the entire
bunch
> together.
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>
>
>		12/13/2000 3:19:08
Re: roll callPoythress, LynnLynn Poythress - daughter-in-law of Horace Poythress (horacep8). I started
digging into the Poythress family tree and he has really carried the ball
from there. I pretty much just sit back and get amazed at all the stuff he
turns up!		12/13/2000 3:21:28
Roll CAllMy Poythress line loses the surname in the early 1700s, but my descent is
thru 2 of the children of Francis Poythress, the immigrant, b.1614 in England
and d. 1661 in Chas. City, Va.
His dau, Jane Poythress m. Thomas Rolfe in Virginia. This couple were my 8th
gt-grandparents.
Jane's bro, Francis Poythress, b 1639 d. 1688 in Va, m. Rebecca Coggin
(Cogan) . Their son, John Poythress 1669 - 1724 and his wife Mary Batte were
the parents of Elizabeth Poythress who m.. John Fitzgerald.
A Fitzgerald descendant of this Elizabeth several generations later marries
an Eldridge descendant of Jane Poythress and Thomas Rolfe; Rev. James
Henderson Fitzgerald (Buckingham Co. VA) and Lucy Eldridge(Buckingham Co.,
VA). This couple were my gt-grandparents and here the Poythress descent is
doubled.
Jane
A Virginian living in Florida		12/13/2000 4:08:18
Roll CallMy Poythress lineage is from David and Sally Dortch Poythress of Mecklenburg
Co., VA and Warren Co., NC.

Interested in all Poythress connections.

Barbara Poythress Wolfe
Beetle72@aol.com		12/13/2000 5:49:13
Re: Roll CAllResearching Poythress lines from Northampton County, NC personally but also
establishing the connection between the groups and following their migrations.

Documenting the Native American roots of Poythress in Northampton County,
Brunswick County, Greensville County and Mecklenburg County.

Corresponding with John Blackfeather Jeffries of the Occaneechi-Saponi Tribe
in documenting the history of the Native Poythress group.

Crystal 🙂



12/13/2000 6:38:47
re: roll callneed proof/disproof that:
Peter Green mar Ann Burwell abt 1640/50
. . Nathaniel Green
. . . Burwell Green mar Ann Poythress
. . . . . Burwell Green mar Lucy Mangum
. . . . . . Benjamin Green mar Pheobe Bell
~~~~~~~		12/13/2000 10:10:19
thanksCharles NealThanks again, Maynard, for all your helpful notes & transcriptions for our
List, including the Prince George Land Tax Records study you recently made
a great beginning on, and your note re your search for the Charles City
County, VA suit between Robert Poythress & Thomas Poythress, Executors for
Joshua Poythress, versus Benjamin Harrison in 1741. You are one of the
blessings all of us can count during this season of counting our blessings!
May your good health & time availability continue in the coming year for
your pursuit of genealogy & family history.

BPN		12/14/2000 1:57:04
Roll CallJames SmithLinda Clark Smith -- we're still trying to learn to count in my State!!

My Great Grandfather is John P. POYTHRESS, b. 1832 - Gadsden County, FL,
who enlisted in the Confederate Army in Caddo Parrish, LA in 1861 -- not
in North Florida as we had all believed until just a couple of years
ago.

It is believed that John P.'s father was James P. POYTHRESS, who had a
land patent in Gadsden County, Florida in early 1827.		12/14/2000 2:04:24
Roll CallI am Marianne Poythress Radding. I have been silently monitoring the emails
for a year now. I am from a family of 4 brothers who settled in the
Texas-Louisiana border (Bethany and Shreveport) from Tennessee around the
Civil War.

The brothers names were Samuel Jefferson, William, Henry and (?Franklin?)
These names were repeated in their children along with a daughter named
Francis.

My task is to trace them back to Tennessee, then to Virginia and then see if
that leads to the Francis.

Marianne		12/14/2000 2:35:40
RE:Roll CallI am Bruce G. Porter (used to be Poythress) researching Poythress in
Northampton County, NC also a part of the Native American, Melungeon or
whatever group. When I started my research a few years ago I was looking for
Porter's in Northampton. Vital records said my father-n-law's last name had
been changed to Porter. What a can of worms I opened....... Anyway, I have
found some great cousins for the family and this list, who I suspect are all
cousins. And even if you're not, you are all great !!

Here's to a Happy Holiday for everyone and hoping the New Year brings forth
more Poythress's.

Portermom1@aol.com		12/14/2000 2:41:07
Merry Christmas to allPainterMay this Christmas season bless you and your families in wonderful ways.

Patti Poythress Koscheski and family



12/14/2000 2:43:13
Re: roll callelise markhamStill hunting for Tabitha Poythress's mother. She was the wife of Henry
Randolph.

Elise H Markham
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12/14/2000 3:56:50
James P. P. and John P. P.Linda.......I have a clipping from that Odom Library advertising that free of
charge they will place your "combination" South Georgia-North Florida query
in their newspaper column.

I was about to write it up that we were missing the generations on either
side of
Screven County's James P. Poythress who moved to Gadsden County, Fla. about
1825.

I guess I lost the handle on John Price Poythress, your gggranfather b. 1832.
Are you saying he is the son of James P. Poythress (and that you have the
rest of the line down to you) so the only one we are REALLY missing is the
father of James P. Poythress and possibly even prior to him if the knowledge
of HIS father doesn't pin him down for us?

Just let me know and I'll write up the query and see if we can ring any bells.


Thanks,

Maynard		12/14/2000 4:21:59
About the Roll CallNice response folks. And thanks Diana for the suggestion. It occurs to me
that one big hit has been that in place of zero North Carolina folks a year
or so ago, you all are now well represented enough to start talking to each
other on this wire and enlightening the rest of us.

After all, the demographics say North Carolina has more of us than any other
state going. Don't keep it a secret, guys and gals.

Thanks for the great responses.

Maynard



12/14/2000 4:30:46
Re: Roll CallSteve Wall, Altadena CA. My interest is in establishing a connection
between the Poythress and Wall families, right now based on some work by Lou
Poole and one note in the Batte chart. I am compiling an extensive Gedcom of
the Wall family and its growth in the Anson Co, NC area and (someday soon)
hope to have that available.



SW



12/14/2000 4:42:32
Roll CallDiana DiamondI am interested in Poythresses and related families of Virginia, principally
but not limited to Bland, Fitzgerald, Epes, Pryor, Jones, Yates, Green,
Batte, Randolph, and Thweatt. My maternal grandmother's parents both connect
to Francis Poythresses. So does my maternal step-grandmother.

Always thought it would be nice for someone to compile a working list of
Francis Poythress descendents through the mid 19th Century (starting with
those of list members.)

There are some interesting characters among the ones I know.

I have put together some gedcoms of R. Bolling Batte's take on the early
generations, available to anyone who asks.

Grew up in New Orleans. Live in DC. Recently entered the ranks of the
empty-nesters. Erstwhile reporter for daily metropolitan newspapers,
senior-level civil servant, and professional photographer. I am a devoted
fan of Photoshop, and I have been collecting and retouching old family
pictures.

Diana Diamond		12/14/2000 5:05:22
Roll Callwayne scruggsDavid Poythress & Sally Dortch of Meckleburg Co. VA. and Warren Co. N.C.
Interested in all Poythress, Dortch and Speed relations.
Judy Speed Scruggs
was638@mindspring.com		12/14/2000 6:02:47
R Bolling BatteCharles NealDiana,

Thanks again so much for your continuing work on listing for us the Batte
Reading List.

Re: "I have put together some gedcoms of R. Bolling Batte's take on the
early generations, available to anyone who asks."
I would appreciate very much getting these gedcoms from you; that is a
project I have long intended to do, and just not gotten a "Round Tuit."

Glad to learn you've recently joined those of us in the empty-nesters
ranks.

Barbara Poythress Neal
BarbPoythressNeal@CompuServe.com



12/14/2000 9:49:20
Shreveport area Poythress brothersCharles NealMarianne,

So glad to know that you (& others who've recently spoken up) are online
with us. I am intrigued by your message and would like to learn more
details about the 4 brothers, "Samuel Jefferson, William, Henry and
(?Franklin?)."

Several yrs ago, I had learned, while researching & visiting Poythress
folks in Florida, that in the 1860 Census for Caddo Parish, La, there was a
Poythress family. Of course I realize that Shreveport is right there along
the parish line of Caddo & Bossier. I have long wanted to know more about
them, and wonder if you know anything about them. Is the William you
mentioned as one of the 4 brothers, the William who is the son in this
household, and the other 3 brothers younger siblings who were born after
this 1860 Census? The household is listed as:

1860 Caddo Parish, La Federal Census
page 59 (according to Helene Pockrus' August 16, 1997 message to our list)
lines #408-413 (according to Linda Clark Smith's May 22, 2000 message to
our list)

James A Poythress, age 38; M; farmer; $1,000 in real estate; $500 in
personal; born Ga; married 1851(Note: this was put by the census-taker in
column 11, even though noting that date was not required)
Martha A Poythress, age 30; F; born Va
Emma J " , age 8; F; born La
Mary V " , age 6; F; born La
William H " , age 4; M; born La
John M " , age 26; carpenter; born Florida

I know that further research on these folks could help lots of Poythress
lines. The 26-yr-old John M Poythress born in Florida & the 38-yr-old
James A Poythress were no doubt related to one another, and it seems likely
they are brothers, whose birthplaces moving from Ga to Fla would show that
that their father moved onward (consistent with what George Poythress had
done, leaving his brother Lewis in Mecklenburg County, Va), and indeed
shows that they as sons had also moved onward.

ANY further info you could give on any/all of the 4 brothers you mentioned
would be most welcome -- especially any dates you may have for when/where
they were born; any idea of where in TN the family had been; what kind of
work they did (farmers?) according to any later censuses or other records
you may know of; who they each married; where they died or were buried?
I am anxious to find out anything you can share about them.

Looking forward to hearing more about them from you.
Barbara Poythress Neal
BarbPoythressNeal@CompuServe.com
= = = =

From: Mpradding@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:35:40 EST
Subject: Roll Call
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

I am Marianne Poythress Radding. I have been silently monitoring the
emails for a year now. I am from a family of 4 brothers who settled in the
Texas-Louisiana border (Bethany and Shreveport) from Tennessee around the
Civil War.

The brothers names were Samuel Jefferson, William, Henry and (?Franklin?)
These names were repeated in their children along with a daughter named
Francis.

My task is to trace them back to Tennessee, then to Virginia and then see
if that leads to the Francis.

Marianne		12/14/2000 9:49:22
Re: roll callPat J. Autry:
I am Patricia J. Autry, great granddaughter of Martha J. Poythress
O'Neal and William Edward O'Neal. Martha J. Poythress O'Neal was still alive
in 1906 when my grandfather Charles T. Johnson married Martha's daughter,
Josephine O'Neal , in Roanoke Rapids, Halifax County, NC. The marriage
certificate indicates that Martha Poythress O'Neal was living in Emporia,
Greenville Co, VA in 1906 when daughter Josephine was married. Martha's
husband Wm Edward O'Neal was deceased at the time of the wedding. I know that
Josephine had a sister named Alice or Adnie and that there was a half-brother?
Henry who lived in Garysburg or Gasburg in Northampton Co, NC. Henry did not
have the last name O'Neal-I think that it was Shaw.

There is rumour of "Portuguese" blood and from this surname list I have
gathered that it might mean Martha was either part Portuguese, Melungeon, or
native American. Rumour is also that Martha had a heavy Irish accent and that
she came over after one of the potato famines mid-1800. Thus, I am interested
when list members talk about "Portuguese" blood or native American ties.

I have been interested in the Horace Poythress that is on this list because he
lives in Northhampton County and because my brother is named Horace---a name
that can only come from the Poythress line as it appears no where in my other
lines. The name "Lewis" is very prevalent in my Johnson relatives and I am
guessing that this comes from Lewis Poythress.

I don't know where Martha Poythress O'Neal was born or died or who her parents
were. She is my only Poythress link after over two years of searching.		12/14/2000 10:01:16
1860 Caddo Parish, LA Census (correction)Charles NealAfter I sent my message captioned "Shreveport area Poythress brothers" I
realized that Helene Pockrus had read one of the middle initials
differently from how Linda Clark Smith had read it. I had asked Helene
about that at the time, and she said that from her notes she recalled she
had had difficulty reading the entry, but had re-traced the "W" indicating
that she felt sure she read it correctly. My message listing the Census
household should have read as shown below.

Barbara Poythress Neal (or BPN for short)
= = =

1860 Caddo Parish, La Federal Census
page 59 (according to Helene Pockrus' August 16, 1997 message to our list)
lines #408-413 (according to Linda Clark Smith's May 22, 2000 message to
our list)

James A Poythress, age 38; M; farmer; $1,000 in real estate; $500 in
personal; born Ga; married 1851(Note: this was put by the census-taker in
column 11, even though noting that date was not required)
Martha A Poythress, age 30; F; born Va
Emma J " , age 8; F; born La
Mary V " , age 6; F; born La
William H " , age 4; M; born La
John W (or M) " , age 26; M; carpenter; born Florida (Note: Linda
Clark Smith read his middle initial as "M" while Helene Pockrus read it as
"W" and I have not personally seen the microfilm)		12/14/2000 10:02:32
Re: James P. P. and John P. P........Linda.....and I've never heard what the "P" in James P. Poythress was
for. I think I'll go ahead and submit the query (the price...no pun
intended, is right, as in "free") showing the Florida one as "John Price (?)
Poythress of Gadsden County. FL and the Screven County, GA one (presumably
his father) as just James P. Poythress as we never saw his middle "P" defined
one way or the other.

Its a shot in the dark anyway. Anyone with the information to answer just
may have both answers for us. I'll send the website a copy. I'm sure the
Alabama/Mississippi folks would be interested ( I know I would be) as to why
(or if) John Price(?) Poythress moved all the way to Mississippi (not
implying "just" to enlist) but subsequently returned to Gadsden County, FL.

Thanks,

Maynard



12/15/2000 6:03:32
Batte Reading List Continued (7)Diana DiamondFrom R. Bolling Batte's publications list at the Virginia Library's on line
digital collection. See URL below.

Batte's # LVA # Author Title
P-169 24 Brock, Robert Kincaid Archibald Cary of
Ampthill


P-170 25 Williams, Kathleen Booth Marriage of Louisa
County

P-171 27 Neale, Gay Brunswick County,
Virginia 1720-1975

P-172 28 Campbell, T.E. Caroline County


P-173 30 Bruton Parish
Churchyard

P-174 31 Huguenot Society
Publication No. 24

P-175 32 Huguenot Society
Publication No. 25


P-176 33 Shepperson, Archibald John Paradise and
Lucy Ludwell
Bolling
P-177 35 Stanard, William G. and Colonial Virginia
Register
Mary Newton
P-178 38 Prince William
County (WPA)


P-179 39 Tallahasee
Historical Society Annual -1934
No. 1
P-180 41 The Cemeteries of
Leon County, Florida

P-181 43 Edmunds Pocahontas Wight Virginians Out
Front


P-182 44 Andrews, Marietta Memoirs of a Poor
Relation
Minnegerode
P-183 46 Hite, Mary Elizabeth My Rappahannock
Story Book

P-184 48 Christian Frances Archer Homes and Gardens
in Old Virginia
and Massie, Susanne W.

P-185 50 Register of Members
1861 Va Convention



P-186 52 Bushong, Willard K. Historic Jefferson
County

P-187 54 Smith, Ella Williams Tears and Laughter

P-188 56 Fauquier Cnty Bicentennial Fauquier County VA
1759-1959
Commission

P-189 58 Kinsolving, Arthur The Story of a
Southern School
Barksdale
P-190 60 Rogers, George W. Officers of the
Senate of Virginia

P-191 62 Weisiger Colonial Wills of
Henrico County, VA


P-192 64 Meredith History of the
Norfolk German Club

P-193 66 Guide to Gloucester
County

P-194 68 Middlesex, Historic
Buildings in


P-195 70 Crozier, William Armstrong Virginia County
Records, Vol. I,
Spotsylvnia Co.
P-196 72 Early, Ruth Hairston Campbell Chronicles
and Family Sketches

P-198 75 Abstracts of Lower
Norfolk Cnty and Norfolk
Cnty Wills

P-199 76 Mecklenburg Cnty
(history) ("Land by the
Roanoke")
P-200 77 Brown, Stuart E. (Jr.) and Carter Hall
Brown, Ann Barton
P-201 78 Couture, Richard T. Powhatan: A
Bicentennial


P-202 80 Ambler, Charles H. (ed) Life of John Floyd

P-203 82 Chamberlayne, Churchill Ham Chamberlayne,
Virginian

P-204 83 Krick, Robert K. Lee's Colonels


P-197 74 Bohannon, A.W. Old Surry

P-205 85 Mansfield, James Roger Early History of
Spotsylvania County

P-206 86 Dodson, E. Griffith Capitol Building at
Richmond

To clarify any questions on publications that interest you,
consult:
12/15/2000 6:18:50
Batte Reading List Cont'd (final)Diana Diamond>From R. Bolling Batte's publications list at the Virginia Library's online
digital collection. Based on what I have read on the cards, I tentatively
conclude that these
books were in Batte's personal collection. Perhaps they were donated to the
Library of Virginia with
Batte's family research cards.

Diana

Batte's # LVA Card# Author Title

P-207 87 Cummins, A. Bernard Nottoway County

P-208 88 Wirt, William Life and Character
of Patrick Henry

P-209 89 Peyton, J. Lewis History of August
County, Virginia


P-210 91 Chamberlayne, Churchill St. Christopher's
School
Gibson
P-211 93 Marton, Louis Robert Carter of
Nomini Hall

P-212 95 Blackford, Launcelot Minor Mine Eyes Have Seen
the Glory
(II)

P-213 97 des Cognets, Louis (Jr.) English Duplicates
of Lost Virginia Records


P-214 98 Fitzgerald, Sallie Hardaway Jottings about
Nottoway

P-215 100 Wyatt, Edward A. (IV) Along Petersburg
Streets

P-216 102 Plantation Houses
Around Petersburg-Wyatt


P-217 104 Macdonald, Rose M. E. Clarke County, a
Daughter of Frederick

P-218 106 Hill, William B. Boyds of Boydton
P-219 108 Lutz, Earl Richmond in World
War II


P-220 110 Gardiner, Mabel Henshaw Chronicles of Old
Berkeley

P-221 112 Bell, Edith Ruth and Brunswick Story,
History of Brunswick Cnty
Heartwell, William (Pamphlet)
P-222 113 Bulletin of the Virginia Index to Obituary
Notices (1932)
State Library

P-223 116 Varick, Floreda Duke and Tallahassee and
Leon County, Fla.
Smith Phyllis Rose Cemeteries
P-224 118 Cartmell, Thomas K. Shenandoah Valley
Pioneer

P-225 120 Chamberlayne, Churchill St. Peters Parish,
Vestry Book & Register,
Gibson

P-225 120 New Kent and James
City Counties

P-226 122 Chamberlayne, Churchill G. St. Pauls Parish,
Vestry Book, Hanover
County
P-227 124 Chamberlayne, Churchill G. Stratton Major
Parish (Hanover) vestry Book


P-228 126 Fall, Ralph E. (Rev.) Bowling Green, VA
Historical Record of

P-229 128 Gwathmey, John H. Twelve Virginia
Counties

P-230 130 Gouchland
Historical Society Magazine
(1972-78 see v)

P-230 130 Vol 4 No. 2 Autumn
1972

P-230 130 Vol 5 No. 1 Spring
1972

P-230 130 Vol 6 No. 2 Autumn
1974


P-230 130 Vol 10 No. 2 Autumn
1978

P-231 131 Fothergill Westmoreland County
Wills

P-232 133 Tucker Norfolk City
Marriages 1797-1850


P-233 134 Yantis, Netti Schreiner Genealogical Books
in Print

P-234 136 Meredith, Henry Clarkson Some Old Norfolk
Families

P-235 137 Travis, Robert J. The Travis
(Travers) Family


P-236 140 Woodworth, Robert Bell The Descendants of
Robert and John Poage

P-236 (sic) 142 Casey Name Index to
Hening's Statutes

P-237 144 The Episcopal
Church Bound volume of
pamphlets
P-237 144 Turner, W.R. a. Nottoway Parish,
1748


P-237 144 Diosc. VA b. Cannons of
Protestant Episcopal

P-237 144 Brydon c. Established
Church in Va. And the
Revolution
P-237 144 d. St. Paul's
Church, Richmond


P-237 144 e. Manakin Church,
Powhatan Co., VA

P-237 144 f. Coronation
Service for H.M. Queen

Elizabeth II 1953
P-237 144 Robinson, Morgan P. g. Henrico Parish


P-237 144 h. Christ and St.
Luke's Church, Norfolk

P-237 144 i. St. James
Episcopal Church, Leesburg, VA

P-237 144 j. National
Cathedral, Washington, DC


P-238 146 Descendants of John
and Elizabeth (Rowe)
Walton



Full file available on request for a short time.
To clarify any questions on publications that interest you,
begin at:

http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawerIII/disk8/CC/BA/044/PUB1-75?1 (Batte #
number P1-75)
http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawerIII/disk8/CC/BA/044/PUB76-149?1> or
(Batte # number P76-149)
(Batte
# number P150-238)		12/16/2000 5:23:38
1741 Suit P. et al. V HarrisonBarbara........"Another Secret Diary of William Byrd", as you have previously
mentioned, cites in a footnote on p. 176: "In Charles City, July 1741, there
was a suit by Robert Poythress and Robert and Thomas Poythress executors of
Joshua Poythress vs. Benjamin Harrison (Va. Mag., XXIII, 32; etc.").

The reference is incorrectly cited by the Byrd authors or it is a misprint.
It is volume XXXIII, not XXIII. Having found the correct refererence, at
least with respect to this particular citation, we are still snookered. The
correct citation is a snippet in a multipage hodgepodge of Poythress
information saying only in this regard: "In July 1741, suit by Robert
Poythress and Robert and Thomas Poythress executors of Joshua Poythress vs
Benjamin Harrison". Thus, in this citation we don't know any more than we
knew from the Weisiger abstract. Dead end for this source.

Enter stage left Dr. Hall to deluge us with more (31 May 1933):

"Charles City County orders , 1737-51, p. 168, Court of July 1741. Robert
Poythress and Robert and Thomas Poythress, exrs. of last will and testament
of Joshua Poythress, dced, vs. Benjamin Harrison, continued; and on last page
of same record 172 Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, extrs of last will
and testament Joshua Poythress, dced vs. Benj. Harrison, no prosecution, case
dismissed."

[this at least tells us the original record is floating around somewhere,
AND, it tells us the case was dismissed which makes me inclined to believe
that when we finally find the real record, it is not likely to be
revealing.....but that is a matter to be seen].

Dr. Hall goes on at great "paragraphless" length with what is to me
considerable authority:

"The first mention we have of a Joshua Poythress is the grant of a tract of
land in PG County in 1722. In 1725 John Hardyman and wife Henrietta Maria
deed him a tract of land called "Flower de Hundred", consisting of 300 acres.
This is interesting, as we know that the first Peter Poythress is spoken of
as Col. Peter of "Fleur de Hundred" especially in the marriage of his only
daughter and heir Anne Poythress to Richard Bland of "Jordan's" in 1731. The
first mention we know of this name is taken from Slaughter's "History of
Bristol Parish", p. 8, which is quoted as follows: 'In 1680, fifty acres of
land were laid off for a town at Varina, where the Court House is, and at
fflower de Hundred (2nd Hening 472)' It will be seen that it is spelled
three ways. Whether Peter Poythress owned a place called "Flower de
Hundred", or his place of residence was at fflower de hundred as mentioned in
Hening is a question. It has certainly be so interpreted. Now this deed of
Col. Hardyman would tend to prove he deeded to Joshua Poythress land called
"Flower de Hundred." Whatever the facts may be "Flower de Hundred" is to be
seen as most closely associated with the Poythress family. There is nothing
to indicate that Richard Bland and his wife ever owned it and certainly he
and his descendents for several generations owned land and lived at
"Jordans", which he inherited from his father Richard Bland, who was spoken
of as of "Jordan's Point." Joshua Poythress in 1734 aquired further land in
Prince George County by purchase. He died closed around 1741. In July of
that year Thomas Poythress is shown to have been an excr of the will of
Joshua Poythress when he with Robert Poythress a co-excr of the above Joshua
and Robert
Poythress in his own right brought suit vs. Benjamin Harrison. The suit was
later dismissed, but it was an indication tht in some way Robert and Joshua
had some claim against the said Harrison. There must have been some
relationship with this Harrison. In 1738 from Prince George County records,
Joshua and Francis had a suit against Hannah Poythress, extrx of Francis
Poythress. It is to be noted here from "Bristol Parish Register" that Hannah
and Francis had a daughter Elizabeth born 11 Feb 1731. This Francis
Poythress is taken to be the son of John Poythress of the will of 1724, who
had married Hannah ________, who is presumed to have been a Harrison, which
presumption may be proved to be erroneous. However, this
Francis is definitely shown to have died prior to 1738 and in 1741 Suit was
brought
against Benjamin Harrison by Robert and Thomas Poythress. Some 20 odd years
later in July 1765, Francis Poythress deeds to Thomas Walke his right in
certain negroes then in the possession of Hannah Poythress, Mary Poythress,
and Peter
Woodlief, which slaves "were devised by my grandfather to be (after the death
of his widow) to be divided equally among his children. This is taken to be
John of the 1724 will, but it is to be wished that Francis Poythress had
specified his name in the deed, and not simply "his grandfather."

However, in the will above mentioned Mary Batte was the wife of the above
John Poythress, and as his widow seems to have been living in 1765. John
Woolief was an extr of the will and Peter Woodlief seems to have been also in
possession of the certain slaves mentioned in the deed. The Hannah
Poythress named was the widow of Francis Poythress who died shortly prior to
1738, and was the wife of the uncle of this Francis Poythress of 1765. It is
surmised that he is the son of John Poythress, the brother of his uncle
Francis, for he certainly was not the son of William Poythress and Sarah Epes
as they did not have a son by the name of Francis. He seems to have only had
one son and his name was William. It is possible that John Walke had married
on of the three daughters of John Poythress of the will of 1724 and the
above deed was one of convenience, to prevent litigation, but we think this
Francis was the same one Joshua Poythress in the suit against Hannah
Poythress in 1738."

[Dr. Hall is in the middle of a long narrative here and he appears to have
left the subject of the 1741 suit and Mr. Harrison].

Barbara, I expect we will eventually find this suit but frankly I expect it
to be no more than a court order appearing in the minute book. It is my
impression that the proceeding of a suit were 99% verbal and that the usual
"remainder" is only the order of the court stated in two or three lines in
the Court Order Book. That doesn't seem to hold out a lot of hope but we'll
keep looking.

As you also pointed out, Weisiger, "abstracted and titled "Charles City
County, Virginia Records 1737-1774 (With Several 17th Century Fragments" in
which he cites the same brief abstract as being in July Court 1741, p.
168......which of course SHOULD put us right on the money if we just find the
right CC microfilm reel.

Since the microfilm "card catalog" is now on the LVA site, interlibrary loan
would seem to provide a snap to get to the microfilm from which Weisiger was
abstracting.

I do not have the specific Weisiger book you mentioned but I'll go through my
papers and see if I have photocopied the relevent parts. If I don't already
have the Poythress parts, I'll probably ask Craig if he has the book. I
have learned with CC and PG counties there is so much P. stuff in them that
its easier to buy the book than to photocopy it. I'll let you know what I
find after I plow through my binders.


On another matter, another Poythress record in Byrd's "Another Secret
Diary...."
has ( I think) a footnote with indirect linkage to the footnote in the first
diary. It appears to me that the suit was filed (or concluded) in CC County
in 1741 yet Joshua's actual death produced Administrators presenting his will
in PG County (PG Minute Book 1737-1740). I have these PG pages in line to be
transcribed but just paging ahead looking for the page 400, my quasi-grandson
copier has a note that the records stop at page 399. More likely, the tail
of the microfilm roll got snipped off or perhaps the year 1740 wasn't
complete.

I'll have this in line to check myself on next trip to Clayton Library (in
case anyone beats me there and is kind enough to look for it and transcribe
or abstract this one page, it will be roll JB-105, call item 975.5......if
page 400 is indeed still there.

Further in regard to the LVA now having their entire "card catalog" of
microfilm rolls on-line at their website, I was told they have duplicates for
90% of them (a duplicate being their own requirement to ship one out on
interlibrary loan. I plan to be working this street as soon as I get my
present projects off my desk.....I hope within my life span.

If anyone has the time and wants to do some serious genealogy, these rolls of
microfilm should be a gold mine.

Best,

Maynard		12/16/2000 6:49:36
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However, AOL has just raised the out-of-home use of their LD card to
.25/minute and a .99 surcharge on each card.

Haven't been in this "market" for a while since AOL was so good. Obviously,
I now need to change my LD calling card.......anyone have a better
deal?.....and wire me privately would you.

Thanks,

Maynard		12/16/2000 6:54:54
RE: 1741 Suit P. et al. V HarrisonLou PooleMaynard/Barbara, et al: There are some really tantalizing clues those
footnotes and ones that I'd dearly like to research when I can find
the time. But keep in mind the dates that the information was
written: 1933. At that time the will of Joshua Poythress had not been
found, and no doubt people were still trying to piece together just
who the members of his family really were. In 1953 (apparently) the
will was found and was turned over to the Virginia State Library. I
quote from Ann Wall Thomas' book "The Walls of Walltown":

"Probably of greater significance is correspondence that Walter Ashe
Wall had in 1953 with Mr. Richard Dunn of Richmond, Virginia. Mr.
Dunn wrote:
"'From 1725 to 1949 Joshua Poythress I and his descendants owned the
Flower de Hundred plantation in Prince George County, Virginia. On 18
July 1952, I gave to the Archives Division, Virginia State Library, a
copy of the will, dated 17 January 1739, of Joshua Poythress I of
Flower de Hundred which I had found among the papers of my late
father, Dr. William Wilcox Dunn (1870-1952) who was the last
descendant of Joshua Poythress to own Flower de Hundred.
"'From your viewpoint, the interesting thing about the copy of the
Will of Joshua Poythress I is that it was introduced as evidence in
the suit of Wall against Poythress as is clearly shown by the
following wording which was inscribed on the back of the will:
"'Will (copy) of Joshua Poythress Wall vs. Poythress'...."

Walter Ashe Wall is the father of our very own Steve Wall, so, Steve,
jump in...

I only have a copy of the abstract of Joshua's will from Weisiger's
"Prince George County, Virginia, Records 1733-1792, p. 174. I have
never been able to find a digital copy of the full will at LVA's web
site, despite the assertion above that it was turned over to them. The
abstract, nevertheless, identifies a lot of the people named in the
footnotes that Maynard quoted. What is significant is the number of
relatives that were involved in the estate settlement -- brothers,
cousins, and apparent in-laws.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com [mailto:VKRatliff@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 12:50 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: 1741 Suit P. et al. V Harrison


Barbara........"Another Secret Diary of William Byrd", as you have
previously
mentioned, cites in a footnote on p. 176: "In Charles City, July 1741,
there
was a suit by Robert Poythress and Robert and Thomas Poythress
executors of
Joshua Poythress vs. Benjamin Harrison (Va. Mag., XXIII, 32; etc.").

The reference is incorrectly cited by the Byrd authors or it is a
misprint.
It is volume XXXIII, not XXIII. Having found the correct refererence,
at
least with respect to this particular citation, we are still
snookered. The
correct citation is a snippet in a multipage hodgepodge of Poythress
information saying only in this regard: "In July 1741, suit by Robert
Poythress and Robert and Thomas Poythress executors of Joshua
Poythress vs
Benjamin Harrison". Thus, in this citation we don't know any more
than we
knew from the Weisiger abstract. Dead end for this source.

Enter stage left Dr. Hall to deluge us with more (31 May 1933):

"Charles City County orders , 1737-51, p. 168, Court of July 1741.
Robert
Poythress and Robert and Thomas Poythress, exrs. of last will and
testament
of Joshua Poythress, dced, vs. Benjamin Harrison, continued; and on
last page
of same record 172 Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress, extrs of
last will
and testament Joshua Poythress, dced vs. Benj. Harrison, no
prosecution, case
dismissed."

[this at least tells us the original record is floating around
somewhere,
AND, it tells us the case was dismissed which makes me inclined to
believe
that when we finally find the real record, it is not likely to be
revealing.....but that is a matter to be seen].

Dr. Hall goes on at great "paragraphless" length with what is to me
considerable authority:

"The first mention we have of a Joshua Poythress is the grant of a
tract of
land in PG County in 1722. In 1725 John Hardyman and wife Henrietta
Maria
deed him a tract of land called "Flower de Hundred", consisting of 300
acres.
This is interesting, as we know that the first Peter Poythress is
spoken of
as Col. Peter of "Fleur de Hundred" especially in the marriage of his
only
daughter and heir Anne Poythress to Richard Bland of "Jordan's" in
1731. The
first mention we know of this name is taken from Slaughter's "History
of
Bristol Parish", p. 8, which is quoted as follows: 'In 1680, fifty
acres of
land were laid off for a town at Varina, where the Court House is, and
at
fflower de Hundred (2nd Hening 472)' It will be seen that it is
spelled
three ways. Whether Peter Poythress owned a place called "Flower de
Hundred", or his place of residence was at fflower de hundred as
mentioned in
Hening is a question. It has certainly be so interpreted. Now this
deed of
Col. Hardyman would tend to prove he deeded to Joshua Poythress land
called
"Flower de Hundred." Whatever the facts may be "Flower de Hundred" is
to be
seen as most closely associated with the Poythress family. There is
nothing
to indicate that Richard Bland and his wife ever owned it and
certainly he
and his descendents for several generations owned land and lived at
"Jordans", which he inherited from his father Richard Bland, who was
spoken
of as of "Jordan's Point." Joshua Poythress in 1734 aquired further
land in
Prince George County by purchase. He died closed around 1741. In
July of
that year Thomas Poythress is shown to have been an excr of the will
of
Joshua Poythress when he with Robert Poythress a co-excr of the above
Joshua
and Robert
Poythress in his own right brought suit vs. Benjamin Harrison. The
suit was
later dismissed, but it was an indication tht in some way Robert and
Joshua
had some claim against the said Harrison. There must have been some
relationship with this Harrison. In 1738 from Prince George County
records,
Joshua and Francis had a suit against Hannah Poythress, extrx of
Francis
Poythress. It is to be noted here from "Bristol Parish Register" that
Hannah
and Francis had a daughter Elizabeth born 11 Feb 1731. This Francis
Poythress is taken to be the son of John Poythress of the will of
1724, who
had married Hannah ________, who is presumed to have been a Harrison,
which
presumption may be proved to be erroneous. However, this
Francis is definitely shown to have died prior to 1738 and in 1741
Suit was
brought
against Benjamin Harrison by Robert and Thomas Poythress. Some 20 odd
years
later in July 1765, Francis Poythress deeds to Thomas Walke his right
in
certain negroes then in the possession of Hannah Poythress, Mary
Poythress,
and Peter
Woodlief, which slaves "were devised by my grandfather to be (after
the death
of his widow) to be divided equally among his children. This is taken
to be
John of the 1724 will, but it is to be wished that Francis Poythress
had
specified his name in the deed, and not simply "his grandfather."

However, in the will above mentioned Mary Batte was the wife of the
above
John Poythress, and as his widow seems to have been living in 1765.
John
Woolief was an extr of the will and Peter Woodlief seems to have been
also in
possession of the certain slaves mentioned in the deed. The Hannah
Poythress named was the widow of Francis Poythress who died shortly
prior to
1738, and was the wife of the uncle of this Francis Poythress of 1765.
It is
surmised that he is the son of John Poythress, the brother of his
uncle
Francis, for he certainly was not the son of William Poythress and
Sarah Epes
as they did not have a son by the name of Francis. He seems to have
only had
one son and his name was William. It is possible that John Walke had
married
on of the three daughters of John Poythress of the will of 1724 and
the
above deed was one of convenience, to prevent litigation, but we think
this
Francis was the same one Joshua Poythress in the suit against Hannah
Poythress in 1738."

[Dr. Hall is in the middle of a long narrative here and he appears to
have
left the subject of the 1741 suit and Mr. Harrison].

Barbara, I expect we will eventually find this suit but frankly I
expect it
to be no more than a court order appearing in the minute book. It is
my
impression that the proceeding of a suit were 99% verbal and that the
usual
"remainder" is only the order of the court stated in two or three
lines in
the Court Order Book. That doesn't seem to hold out a lot of hope but
we'll
keep looking.

As you also pointed out, Weisiger, "abstracted and titled "Charles
City
County, Virginia Records 1737-1774 (With Several 17th Century
Fragments" in
which he cites the same brief abstract as being in July Court 1741, p.
168......which of course SHOULD put us right on the money if we just
find the
right CC microfilm reel.

Since the microfilm "card catalog" is now on the LVA site,
interlibrary loan
would seem to provide a snap to get to the microfilm from which
Weisiger was
abstracting.

I do not have the specific Weisiger book you mentioned but I'll go
through my
papers and see if I have photocopied the relevent parts. If I don't
already
have the Poythress parts, I'll probably ask Craig if he has the book.
I
have learned with CC and PG counties there is so much P. stuff in them
that
its easier to buy the book than to photocopy it. I'll let you know
what I
find after I plow through my binders.


On another matter, another Poythress record in Byrd's "Another Secret
Diary...."
has ( I think) a footnote with indirect linkage to the footnote in the
first
diary. It appears to me that the suit was filed (or concluded) in CC
County
in 1741 yet Joshua's actual death produced Administrators presenting
his will
in PG County (PG Minute Book 1737-1740). I have these PG pages in
line to be
transcribed but just paging ahead looking for the page 400, my
quasi-grandson
copier has a note that the records stop at page 399. More likely, the
tail
of the microfilm roll got snipped off or perhaps the year 1740 wasn't
complete.

I'll have this in line to check myself on next trip to Clayton Library
(in
case anyone beats me there and is kind enough to look for it and
transcribe
or abstract this one page, it will be roll JB-105, call item
975.5......if
page 400 is indeed still there.

Further in regard to the LVA now having their entire "card catalog" of
microfilm rolls on-line at their website, I was told they have
duplicates for
90% of them (a duplicate being their own requirement to ship one out
on
interlibrary loan. I plan to be working this street as soon as I get
my
present projects off my desk.....I hope within my life span.

If anyone has the time and wants to do some serious genealogy, these
rolls of
microfilm should be a gold mine.

Best,

Maynard


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And Now the Test/ Sally Poythress & JonesDiana DiamondWhat was the first book on R. Bolling Batte's reading list?

Give up...Augusta Fothergill's Peter Jones and Richard Jones Genealogies.

Please don't think I'm going to read for you all the books on Batte's list!
As it happens, I had already ordered Fothergill's book from Higginson's
Books. And I have a life somewhere.

Richard Jones was the Immigrant progenitor of my maternal grandmother's
male line.

The book has several Poythress mentions, one of which I quote here, mainly
for Barbara, but also for anyone else, interested in the Lees, Joneses, or
Sally Poythress:

P. 42

"Thomas6 (Joseph5, Thomas4, Abraham3, Peter2, Peter1) Jones born in 1781,
married Mary, daughter of Squire Richard Lee and his wife Sally (Poythress)
Lee of Lee Hall, Westmoreland County, he being aged sixty years and she
sixteen at the time of their marriage.

The record of the Bible of Thomas Jones is at Bellvue, the home of his
granddaughters Misses Polly and Margaret Baugh Jones (1923), is as follows:

Thomas Jones, son of Joseph and Jane Jones of Dinwiddie, was married to Mary
Lee, Daughter of Richard and Sally Lee of Westmoreland, 11 December 1804.
Thomas Jones then being 23 years 3 months and 23 days old and Mary his wife
would be 15 years old the 12th of February following. Joseph Jones, son of
Thomas and Mary Jones of Chesterfield County, married Rebecca E. daughter of
Archibald and Rebecca (Worsham) Baugh of Petersburg, 19 November 1833. She
in the following January would be 18 years old."

It goes on for a page listing offspring.

There seems to have been at least one marriage with a Yankee, Barbara, but
from New York.

Diana		12/17/2000 2:21:08
Poythress vs. HarrisonBarbara, that thing got so complicated I lost track of what you actually have.

I do indeed have photocopies of Poythress references in Weisiger's "Charles
City County, Virginia, Records 1737-1774 With Several 17th Century
Fragments." There are only about 3 or 4 Poythress records in this volume.

The exact text of Mr. Weisiger's abstract is:

"p. 168 Robert Poythress, Robert Poythress and Thomas Poythress Executors of
Joshua Poythress, dec'd, VS Benjamin Harrison, Gent. "

Mr. Weisiger, in my experience does some pretty "lean" abstracts so I wasn't
expecting much more.

I'll continue to chase the microfilm.

Maynard		12/17/2000 9:25:12
Poythress-Jones; Harrison-Poythress, etcCharles NealDiana, thanks so much for the info from Augusta Fothergill's book, the
title of which I flunked the test . Appreciate the Jones connection
being clarified.

Maynard, I'm way behind on getting ready for Christmas due to our recent
2-wk trip, so the more lengthy Harrison - Poythress messages will have to
await my return from our Mothers' houses late in the year, for me to even
have a chance to go thru.

Wishing everyone a joyous Christmas, and good health & time-availability
for your genealogy efforts in 2001 -

Barbara Poythress Neal		12/18/2000 6:33:18
Flowerdew HundredI sent this out Wednesday but I think it didin't go through. For those of
you who have AOL 5.0 I suggest you KEEP it. AOL 6.0 is a horror show.

Here's the message again:

Many of us know this property on the south side of the James River that was
bought by Joshua Poythress and stayed in the family (sometimes on the female
side so the name was not aways Poythress) until the early 1950s.

Flowerdew Hundred was a grant originally made to the first governor of
Virginia who named it for his wife, Flowerdew.  The majority of the property
has been reclaimed as an operating business under private ownership likely
fronting for the Foundation.  In addition to their own webpage
www.flowerdew.org, it has a number of claims to fame (not all of which
qualify to bet the farm on):

1.  the first 22 African slaves dropped off on the coast of the colonies by a
Dutch
slaver wound up on Flowerdew. (possible)

2. buildings on the property were fired upon by guns on ships commanded by
Benedict Arnold.  Arnold's was a raid up the James generally raising hell
with the plantations which were mostly on the north side of the river. (very
probable).

3. the first windmill on the American continent was built on Flowerdew.  Now
standing is a full size replica a couple of hundred yards from the museum on
the property.   ( I'm not a betting man on this one but the "replica" is
there anyway).

4. In late summer of 1864 Lee was in front of Richmond with Grant facing him
from the north.  Grant used his numerical advantage to send a large
contingent
sweeping around Lee's right flank to pontoon across the James in an attempt
to rush through Petersburg and capture Richmond coming from the South by
surprise.

The pontooning across the James was done at "Windmill Point" right in the
middle of Flowerdew Hundred.  CSA General P. G. T.  Beauregard reacted
alertly and filled the defensive trenches south of Petersburg until Lee could
arrive as reinforcement for the handful of South Carolinians defending
Petersburg.  Thus began the nine month siege of Petersburg.  As his numbers
grew with reinforcements, Grant was able to continually extend his flanks out
further than Lee had troops to oppose.  Eventually,
Lee was forced to abandon the Petersburg lines and attempt to regroup west of
Petersburg (Appomattox) which manoever failed as the supply trains did not
arrive for Lee's troops and he found it necessary to surrender the Army of
Northern Virginia, thus effectively ending the War for Southern Independence.

Huge military encampments were built on Flowerdew and the surrounding Prince
George County during the course of the 9 month siege of Petersburg.  The
family graveyard at Flowerdew was destroyed and the Prince George Courthouse
was looted and burned.  While Flowerdew is an historical place of
significance, all of Prince George County is bad news for genealogists. (this
incident is a virtual certainty).

5. Very large and significant archaeological excavations have been made all
over the property as it has been the subject of some intense investigation.
 Much archaeology and little family history about Flowerdew is recounted in a
book by James Deetz of the University of Virginia.  Its title: "Flowerdew
Hundred, The Archaeology of a Virginia Plantation 1619-1864"  Its about 25 or
30 bucks and I'm fairly sure Craig Scott carries it at Willowbend Books for
anyone interested.  (www.willowbend@willowbend.net)


Not having been to Flowerdew in a number of years, I visited in November when
I was in Richmond.  Its only about a half hour's drive.

Many, many changes:

1. new administration for the Flowerdew Foundation.  I get a feeling that its
technically a foundation but not one as the word is understood in the common
sense.  Much of the surrounding land is in the James River Natural Forest so
that gives them an advantageous isolation. A large Victorian home has been
built overlooking the river.  A David Harrison is shown as the owner of the
Flowerdew property itself. My guess is he is getting some historic tax breaks
for preserving a large portion of it.  Much of the property is now fenced and
cattle are being grazed there.  There is a new museum.  There is activity
down by the riverside around several one story roofed structures but I
couldn't tell what it was.  This new financial "structure" is probably what
allowed them to keep the Flowerdew Foundation afloat as I had heard they were
in some type of financial bind.  While I doubt if they are newly flush with
funds, its likley the re-po man is not at their door.

A new highway entryway is attractive and the signage is helpful.  I was there
in the middle of November and the entrance way sign said "Closed until
Spring" athough some ladies were decorating a new enclosed pavilion for a
wedding reception.  I introduced myself and was cordially invited to just
roam around at will.

The new professional staff has sent out a mailing listing a number of
community service projects in which the Foundation is involved: educational,
historical workshops, etc.  Individual membership is $25 a year payable each
January and the staff is busy now soliciting new members.

If you have an interest, or just want to ask some questions, you may write:

Flowerdew Hundred Foundation
1617 Flowerdew Hundred Road
Hopewell, Virginia 23860

I would encourage you to write them and at least become an individual member.

Best,

Maynard		12/22/2000 11:19:34
Flowerdew HundredCharles NealThanks so much, Maynard, for this. It came thru fine this time; I never
got it the other time. Hope you & Jea have a merry Christmas & a happy
holiday.

B



12/23/2000 2:27:40
RE: Ships passenger listsDiana DiamondPatti,

Try

http://istg.rootsweb.com/index1.html

Diana		12/26/2000 3:11:30
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Diana.....it was and is my opinion (until demonstrated otherwise) that PILI
as a publication is 80% shaky and the 80% number grows every year.....really,
sort of by default mathematics.

PILI brings out almost every year or so a new (@ 2" or 3" thick) handsomely
bound volume of presumably newly discovered "passenger lists" virtually all
advertised as "colonial." or at least "early". I say impossible...there is
just no way that many NEW colonial or even "early" passenger lists could be
suddenly ressurected our of the few mostly east coast ports of entry records
EVERY year as late the year 2000.

Still, most every library steps up and takes the bait and buys the newest
volume every year, even three inches or so thick. I'd guess the price at
about 75+ bucks a pop even at the library price. We should all have such a
deal going as Mr. PILI.

Preposterous:

Somebody a while back puzzled over a PILI "study" which implied that perhaps
there were 7 Francis'es since he appeared in PILI 7 times. . Or, in the
alternative, Francis made 7 trips back to England to fetch more folks to rack
up 40 acres of headrights for himself for each "head" brought back on the
return trip. .

The evidence (which just about leaped off the pages) showed that there were
NO seven Francises......nor had Francis made 7 trips back and forth to
England. Francis simply got his name in "the book" 7 times because the he
is the guy who paid for the passage and is thereby assumed (by PILI's method)
to be "the" INCOMING immigrant himself or herself who BROUGHT (with him)
"heads" (nothing like "filling up pages").

So, if you're the guy paying for the trans-Atlantic passage, you look like a
7-times immigrant but only on paper. Fetching bodies was just the default
"qualifier" for simply getting one's name in the book as an immigrant each
time. I'm cynical about the notion that any prospective headright owner paid
in advance for such a chancy trans-Atlantic bet until the "live" merchandise
arrived.. The guy who earned the headrights for importing passengers could
hardly be expected to pay for whatever was not "living" goods.....regardless
of what Mr. PILI thinks or publishes.

And I suppose, at the most cynical level, this is how Mr. PILI sells a ton
of books each year to naive libraries. Set me straight on this one, would
you? I really want to buy Mr. Pili's line because its so seductive......but
my headbone remains skeptical.

Maynard



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Merry Christmas to all especially Judy ScruggsPainterTo everyone on the list:
Happy and Blessed Holidays. No matter how you celebrate, having good family ties and times matters for our well being.
Judy,
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12/26/2000 8:21:00
Ships passenger listsPainterDoes any body have a jumpiing off point to look for passenger lists for
ships going to us or canadian ports in the 1800s time frame? Patti		12/26/2000 8:35:55
For everyone on the list Re: Ships passenger lists (PILI)PainterI just got a message from my server saying that a message from Judy Scruggs email had a virus and that they wanted her and us to know it. Said type of virus was never an intentional one but that we all ought to be aware of it.Patti
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Oooh....I was afraid someone was going to ask that.....I can't get it on the
button but roughly its some combination of Passenger and Immigration
Lists....and for the life of me I can't figure out that last "I"......but I
think this is close enough to look it up in a library.

Maynard		12/28/2000 2:20:01
for Patti K.wayne scruggsPatti, send me your new e-mail again. I have sent you 3 messages and they all come back from your list server .
Judy		12/28/2000 12:25:25
Re: The Master Genologist "TMG"Pat J. AutryI use Master Genologist and have been very happy with it. I only use Family Tree Maker for looking at the CDs that they put out.

I haven't tried to upload my GEDCOM from it Master Geneologist because there is so much more I need to input. It is supposed to be compatible with other GEDCOM type
software. My understanding is that it is more flexible in usage. It was recommended to me by someone who had used other geneology software.

Pat

Diana Diamond wrote:

> Craig has a good point. I have read some good things about the Master
> Genealogist, but it isn't very specific. Craig says he uses a Mac PAF.
> Does a list member other than Craig have a working knowledge or version of
> Master Genealogist?
>
> Either to tell us how wonderful it is to use or who would be willing to test
> Gedcoms?
>
> Diana
>
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01/02/2001 2:25:14
Wills/Deeds, etc.Lyn, as far as I know, neither the wills and/or deeds of Burke Co., GA nor
Mecklenburg Co., VA have been "posted" in the sense of the comprehensive way
that Carol Morrison is doing for the counties for which she is the listmaster.

You can go to: http://www.usgenweb.com/index.html .......which is the
header page for the Rootsweb index for all the states and then go to the
counties and find
related information (cemeteries, etc.). However, as you can imagine, wills
and deeds in total is a real bear. I just checked the two county pages
mentioned above. While there is much good stuff, there is no systematic
posting of wills and/or deeds for either county.

Checking back to Brunswick to use Carol's efforts as a "model", it appears
that while she has made a sizable dent in it, I don't think even Carol would
claim that her transcriptions "cover the waterfront." Carol continues (as
far as I know) to "transcribe" these things and that is a job of heroic
proportions.

I long ago gave up transcriptions to settle for my own abstracts. Perhaps I
should say "extended abstracts".....because I do try to put meat on the bones
when the meat is there. I'm absolutely positive that in places my abstracts
are going to miss something that Carol's transcriptions would otherwise
reveal. I accepted that inherent "flaw" of abstracts as a acceptable
trade-off to leverage my time "covering ground."

Perhaps some others will have something to add to this answer.

Maynard



01/02/2001 3:36:39
StuffMan with the burner (maybe) is en route.

Diana, I think the idea of posting a primer on the subject of gedcoms is
great.....especially if you can simplify it for we spastics and the pro's can
just click it off. I know I would appreciate it along with the other rookies.

Maynard



01/02/2001 6:30:14
GedcomsDiana DiamondOkay, Maynard, as it happens, I've been trying to give the subject some
life. Maybe, I've just killed it.

I am working on several Poythress data base files/gedcoms based on R.
Bolling Batte's work on the Poythress family. My hope is this is "the wheel"
we don't need to individually reinvent. If you accept it, please proof it on
your own, but when you are happy, please share it with your family, etc. I
may ultimately post it on some websites.

For those who did ask when last I offered, and to those to whom I have
already sent it, I must say I am still fiddling with my data base to see
that what works in Family Tree Maker (FTM) but doesn't work in Personal
Ancestor File (PAF), my trial alternative software. I am also testing my
gedcoms now with early version of Generations. I see some flaws, some facts
(FTM allows "Facts"; PAF doesn't) that don't get translated, and some
general areas for improvement. I expect to finish this compilation and
correction in a matter of days.

POYTHRESS_BATTE_STAGE 3

My gedcom--Poythress_Batte_Stage 3--combines the famous "Chart A" with the
information Lyn Baird compiled at the Poythress Research Website and the
notes also on the website. Lyn based his work on the Poythress index cards
R.Bolling Batte made which are digitalized at the Library of Virginia site.

I have discovered that several list members, and probably more, either
haven't appreciated the value of gedcoms until recently or haven't mastered
the art of using them and creating them because they find the technology
daunting. Technically, it is a little challenging, but we're all using
computers. It is simpler than learning to use email. I promise.

MY PITCH FOR LEARNING GEDCOMS:

Recently, at Ancestry.com*, Rootsweb's new sponsor, I found in its free data
base two gedcoms that provided vital information about two branches of my
early Connecticut family. Two "Eureka!" moments. Both came with impeccable
sources and some darn good and comprehensive research, one with beautifully
written bios. They came with email addresses and live people to query about
common kin. Not all gedcoms there are that fabulous, but neither are the
"antiques" at my local used furniture store. Most of the Poythress stuff
there so far seems to be flawed, but for your other ancestors, try it if you
haven't already. There are of course individuals and other sites offering
gedcoms.

Maynard and Barbara, please chime in and warn us of the perils of assuming
other people's work is correct and just accepting it at face value. I call
this internet gedcom information "hints," per earlier warning by Maynard.

Gedcom is an acronym created by the Church of Latter Day Saints, e.g. Mormon
Church, to describe its universally accepted format for family tree data
which can be exchanged across platforms.(I looked it up: "GE nealogical D
ata Com munication") A Gedcom is usually much smaller in kilobytes than its
companion in a Family Tree Maker or Generations file. It can usually be
shipped among us by email. I downloaded a zipped Gedcom with 4,000 names in
less than a minute. I clipped off the names I wanted, imported it to my
personal "working" "speculative" data base and all files from that source
are now marked with the file name. All within minutes after I realized what
information I wanted to use. If a question comes up, I know who to contact.
(I copy the email address and Gedcom number from the section with the
Ancestry.com download "portal" and keep it handy in the same file I
download a gedcom into.)

SOFTWARE

If you still rely on paper and pencil to chart your trees, you can always
download a version of the LDS free software PAF 4 from its site. Having
tried it, I say it's somewhat limited but it's not hard to use.
Generations is increasingly popular. Each software has its learning curve,
advantages, disadvantages. I prefer to stick with the popular Family Tree
Maker because I know its quirks. I believe Ultimate Family Tree is like FTM
software with bells and whistles. The developer, however, I read today has
stopped work on further improvements of UFT. Perhaps because it's perfect:)

This wouldn't necessarily be the forum for a subject like software and
Gedcoms except that this is one list with an unusual surname where there is
an assumption afloat that we are all related, and not necessary all that
distantly.

WE'RE ALL RELATED?

We also have a number of members (me for one) who know their connection to
Francis Poythress, the immigrant progenitor of the American Poythresses and
a number who don't. We also may share ancestors in related families
Theoretically, if we exchanged information we might all benefit. The gedcom
is a tool.

Most software comes with a manual and a help file explaining the use of
Gedcoms. Plus there are books on the market that supplement that
information. Check out the "Dummies" series. I can help with problems if
you use Family Tree Maker.

Diana

PS I found this site for anyone wanting more info
http://www.rootscomputing.com/howto/gedcom/gedcom.htm

Some of the genealogical software available which use/create gedcoms (copied
from LDS site)
FamilyTree Maker®
Family Origins®
Legacy®
Ancestral Quest®
Master Genealogist®
Ultimate Family Tree®
See http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson3.htm for URLs.

* When you search a name at Ancestry.com, the first line that comes back has
a list of the gedcoms, pedigrees, etc. You don't need to subscribe to get
the information or download the gedcoms.		01/02/2001 7:30:30
Re: GedcomsmediasoftWhen looking for genealogical software that is GEDCOM compatible please
consider The Master Genealogist in your evaluations. I personally have found
it to be the best software available for the constant user. Recently the
Roots III User Group of Arlington, Va. decided to become the TMG user group.
I believe that more information about this product can be found at
www.whollygenes.com

Willow Bend Books does not sell any genealogical program, except this one.
If you are interested in the others allow me to recommend Appleton's in
Charlotte, N.C. as a source. They are an excellent source for genealogy
software at http://www.appletons.com.

Personally, I believe that any software that is not GENCOM compatible is not
worth owning.


Personally, I am an old Mac PAF user. But who has time to work on their own
genealogy.

Still looking for the parents of Benjamin Poythress of Petersburg, born
probably Prince George Co., Va. ca. 1826.

Craig



Craig R. Scott, CGRS

Willow Bend Books
65 East Main Street
Westminster, MD 21157-5026
WillowBend@willowbend.net
www.WillowBendBooks.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Diana Diamond"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 2:30 PM
Subject: Gedcoms


> Okay, Maynard, as it happens, I've been trying to give the subject some
> life. Maybe, I've just killed it.
>
> I am working on several Poythress data base files/gedcoms based on R.
> Bolling Batte's work on the Poythress family. My hope is this is "the
wheel"
> we don't need to individually reinvent. If you accept it, please proof it
on
> your own, but when you are happy, please share it with your family, etc. I
> may ultimately post it on some websites.
>
> For those who did ask when last I offered, and to those to whom I have
> already sent it, I must say I am still fiddling with my data base to see
> that what works in Family Tree Maker (FTM) but doesn't work in Personal
> Ancestor File (PAF), my trial alternative software. I am also testing my
> gedcoms now with early version of Generations. I see some flaws, some
facts
> (FTM allows "Facts"; PAF doesn't) that don't get translated, and some
> general areas for improvement. I expect to finish this compilation and
> correction in a matter of days.
>
> POYTHRESS_BATTE_STAGE 3
>
> My gedcom--Poythress_Batte_Stage 3--combines the famous "Chart A" with the
> information Lyn Baird compiled at the Poythress Research Website and the
> notes also on the website. Lyn based his work on the Poythress index cards
> R.Bolling Batte made which are digitalized at the Library of Virginia
site.
>
> I have discovered that several list members, and probably more, either
> haven't appreciated the value of gedcoms until recently or haven't
mastered
> the art of using them and creating them because they find the technology
> daunting. Technically, it is a little challenging, but we're all using
> computers. It is simpler than learning to use email. I promise.
>
> MY PITCH FOR LEARNING GEDCOMS:
>
> Recently, at Ancestry.com*, Rootsweb's new sponsor, I found in its free
data
> base two gedcoms that provided vital information about two branches of my
> early Connecticut family. Two "Eureka!" moments. Both came with
impeccable
> sources and some darn good and comprehensive research, one with
beautifully
> written bios. They came with email addresses and live people to query
about
> common kin. Not all gedcoms there are that fabulous, but neither are the
> "antiques" at my local used furniture store. Most of the Poythress stuff
> there so far seems to be flawed, but for your other ancestors, try it if
you
> haven't already. There are of course individuals and other sites offering
> gedcoms.
>
> Maynard and Barbara, please chime in and warn us of the perils of assuming
> other people's work is correct and just accepting it at face value. I
call
> this internet gedcom information "hints," per earlier warning by Maynard.
>
> Gedcom is an acronym created by the Church of Latter Day Saints, e.g.
Mormon
> Church, to describe its universally accepted format for family tree data
> which can be exchanged across platforms.(I looked it up: "GE nealogical D
> ata Com munication") A Gedcom is usually much smaller in kilobytes than
its
> companion in a Family Tree Maker or Generations file. It can usually be
> shipped among us by email. I downloaded a zipped Gedcom with 4,000 names
in
> less than a minute. I clipped off the names I wanted, imported it to my
> personal "working" "speculative" data base and all files from that source
> are now marked with the file name. All within minutes after I realized
what
> information I wanted to use. If a question comes up, I know who to
contact.
> (I copy the email address and Gedcom number from the section with the
> Ancestry.com download "portal" and keep it handy in the same file I
> download a gedcom into.)
>
> SOFTWARE
>
> If you still rely on paper and pencil to chart your trees, you can always
> download a version of the LDS free software PAF 4 from its site. Having
> tried it, I say it's somewhat limited but it's not hard to use.
> Generations is increasingly popular. Each software has its learning curve,
> advantages, disadvantages. I prefer to stick with the popular Family Tree
> Maker because I know its quirks. I believe Ultimate Family Tree is like
FTM
> software with bells and whistles. The developer, however, I read today has
> stopped work on further improvements of UFT. Perhaps because it's
perfect:)
>
> This wouldn't necessarily be the forum for a subject like software and
> Gedcoms except that this is one list with an unusual surname where there
is
> an assumption afloat that we are all related, and not necessary all that
> distantly.
>
> WE'RE ALL RELATED?
>
> We also have a number of members (me for one) who know their connection to
> Francis Poythress, the immigrant progenitor of the American Poythresses
and
> a number who don't. We also may share ancestors in related families
> Theoretically, if we exchanged information we might all benefit. The
gedcom
> is a tool.
>
> Most software comes with a manual and a help file explaining the use of
> Gedcoms. Plus there are books on the market that supplement that
> information. Check out the "Dummies" series. I can help with problems if
> you use Family Tree Maker.
>
> Diana
>
> PS I found this site for anyone wanting more info
> http://www.rootscomputing.com/howto/gedcom/gedcom.htm
>
> Some of the genealogical software available which use/create gedcoms
(copied
> from LDS site)
> FamilyTree Maker®
> Family Origins®
> Legacy®
> Ancestral Quest®
> Master Genealogist®
> Ultimate Family Tree®
> See http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson3.htm for URLs.
>
> * When you search a name at Ancestry.com, the first line that comes back
has
> a list of the gedcoms, pedigrees, etc. You don't need to subscribe to get
> the information or download the gedcoms.
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by the nonprofit RootsWeb Data
Cooperative. If you'd like to learn more about Rootsweb please visit
http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
>
>
>
>		01/02/2001 9:50:18
RE: GedcomsDiana DiamondCraig has a good point. I have read some good things about the Master
Genealogist, but it isn't very specific. Craig says he uses a Mac PAF.
Does a list member other than Craig have a working knowledge or version of
Master Genealogist?

Either to tell us how wonderful it is to use or who would be willing to test
Gedcoms?

Diana




01/02/2001 10:30:07
Re: Gedcomselise markhamDiana, when you get the Batte stuff together, I would love the GEDCOM. I
have Family Tree Grande Suite 6.0. I have found that it easily imports
GEDCOMs.

Elise "Lisette"


>From: "Diana Diamond"
>To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Gedcoms
>Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:30:30 -0500
>
>Okay, Maynard, as it happens, I've been trying to give the subject some
>life. Maybe, I've just killed it.
>
>I am working on several Poythress data base files/gedcoms based on R.
>Bolling Batte's work on the Poythress family. My hope is this is "the
>wheel"
>we don't need to individually reinvent. If you accept it, please proof it
>on
>your own, but when you are happy, please share it with your family, etc. I
>may ultimately post it on some websites.
>
>For those who did ask when last I offered, and to those to whom I have
>already sent it, I must say I am still fiddling with my data base to see
>that what works in Family Tree Maker (FTM) but doesn't work in Personal
>Ancestor File (PAF), my trial alternative software. I am also testing my
>gedcoms now with early version of Generations. I see some flaws, some
>facts
>(FTM allows "Facts"; PAF doesn't) that don't get translated, and some
>general areas for improvement. I expect to finish this compilation and
>correction in a matter of days.
>
>POYTHRESS_BATTE_STAGE 3
>
>My gedcom--Poythress_Batte_Stage 3--combines the famous "Chart A" with the
>information Lyn Baird compiled at the Poythress Research Website and the
>notes also on the website. Lyn based his work on the Poythress index cards
>R.Bolling Batte made which are digitalized at the Library of Virginia site.
>
>I have discovered that several list members, and probably more, either
>haven't appreciated the value of gedcoms until recently or haven't mastered
>the art of using them and creating them because they find the technology
>daunting. Technically, it is a little challenging, but we're all using
>computers. It is simpler than learning to use email. I promise.
>
>MY PITCH FOR LEARNING GEDCOMS:
>
>Recently, at Ancestry.com*, Rootsweb's new sponsor, I found in its free
>data
>base two gedcoms that provided vital information about two branches of my
>early Connecticut family. Two "Eureka!" moments. Both came with impeccable
>sources and some darn good and comprehensive research, one with beautifully
>written bios. They came with email addresses and live people to query
>about
>common kin. Not all gedcoms there are that fabulous, but neither are the
>"antiques" at my local used furniture store. Most of the Poythress stuff
>there so far seems to be flawed, but for your other ancestors, try it if
>you
>haven't already. There are of course individuals and other sites offering
>gedcoms.
>
>Maynard and Barbara, please chime in and warn us of the perils of assuming
>other people's work is correct and just accepting it at face value. I call
>this internet gedcom information "hints," per earlier warning by Maynard.
>
>Gedcom is an acronym created by the Church of Latter Day Saints, e.g.
>Mormon
>Church, to describe its universally accepted format for family tree data
>which can be exchanged across platforms.(I looked it up: "GE nealogical D
>ata Com munication") A Gedcom is usually much smaller in kilobytes than its
>companion in a Family Tree Maker or Generations file. It can usually be
>shipped among us by email. I downloaded a zipped Gedcom with 4,000 names in
>less than a minute. I clipped off the names I wanted, imported it to my
>personal "working" "speculative" data base and all files from that source
>are now marked with the file name. All within minutes after I realized what
>information I wanted to use. If a question comes up, I know who to
>contact.
>(I copy the email address and Gedcom number from the section with the
>Ancestry.com download "portal" and keep it handy in the same file I
>download a gedcom into.)
>
>SOFTWARE
>
>If you still rely on paper and pencil to chart your trees, you can always
>download a version of the LDS free software PAF 4 from its site. Having
>tried it, I say it's somewhat limited but it's not hard to use.
>Generations is increasingly popular. Each software has its learning curve,
>advantages, disadvantages. I prefer to stick with the popular Family Tree
>Maker because I know its quirks. I believe Ultimate Family Tree is like
>FTM
>software with bells and whistles. The developer, however, I read today has
>stopped work on further improvements of UFT. Perhaps because it's perfect:)
>
>This wouldn't necessarily be the forum for a subject like software and
>Gedcoms except that this is one list with an unusual surname where there is
>an assumption afloat that we are all related, and not necessary all that
>distantly.
>
>WE'RE ALL RELATED?
>
>We also have a number of members (me for one) who know their connection to
>Francis Poythress, the immigrant progenitor of the American Poythresses and
>a number who don't. We also may share ancestors in related families
>Theoretically, if we exchanged information we might all benefit. The
>gedcom
>is a tool.
>
>Most software comes with a manual and a help file explaining the use of
>Gedcoms. Plus there are books on the market that supplement that
>information. Check out the "Dummies" series. I can help with problems if
>you use Family Tree Maker.
>
>Diana
>
>PS I found this site for anyone wanting more info
>http://www.rootscomputing.com/howto/gedcom/gedcom.htm
>
>Some of the genealogical software available which use/create gedcoms
>(copied
>from LDS site)
> FamilyTree Maker®
> Family Origins®
> Legacy®
> Ancestral Quest®
> Master Genealogist®
> Ultimate Family Tree®
>See http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson3.htm for URLs.
>
>* When you search a name at Ancestry.com, the first line that comes back
>has
>a list of the gedcoms, pedigrees, etc. You don't need to subscribe to get
>the information or download the gedcoms.
>
>
>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by the nonprofit RootsWeb Data
>Cooperative. If you'd like to learn more about Rootsweb please visit
>http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
>
>
>
>

_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com		01/02/2001 11:14:56
George Poythress et al.A couple of weeks ago the lights came on with respect to George's two wifes
and which children by whom, etc. I THINK it was you, Marti, but it could
have been anybody on the list. I need this and now I can't find it on my own
hard drive. Has anybody got that e-mail or whatever lying around?

Thanks,

Maynard



01/03/2001 6:19:00
George Poythress et al.Charles NealMaynard,
I have no idea which Marti you were addressing in the below message, and I
have no idea if my earlier message may have been the one you were referring
to (or perhaps may have been what prompted a private exchange between Marti
& you). At any rate, below your message, I've copied here my earlier
message that mentioned George & his wives.
Barbara
= = = = =
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:19:00 EST
Subject: George Poythress et al.
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

A couple of weeks ago the lights came on with respect to George's two wifes
and which children by whom, etc. I THINK it was you, Marti, but it could
have been anybody on the list. I need this and now I can't find it on my
own hard drive. Has anybody got that e-mail or whatever lying around?

Thanks,
Maynard
= = = = =

12-1-2000
From BarbPoythressNeal@CompuServe.com
Subject: John C Poythress, George Poythress & Lewis Poythress

Thanks again, Maynard, for the great work you did in transcribing the Will
you found for John C. Poythress!

This is an attempt to help Diana & others place John C Poythress of Burke
Co, GA in his correct branch of the Poythress family. It covers John C.
Poythress' known relationship to Major George Poythress [John's father] &
to Lewis Poythress [John's uncle]. This info is compiled from discussions
& research covered here on the Poythress-List several years ago.

Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg Co, VA and George Poythress [father of John
C Poythress] were brothers per the text of George's will, wherein he
referred to his "brother Lewis" living in Mecklenburg Co, VA. Per that same
will of George's, John Carter Poythress of Burke Co, GA was George's son.

For the benefit of those who were not subscribers on the Poythress-List
back a few years ago, I am recopying below my transcription of George
Poythress' will and my comments that appear below the will, about the later
suit re the will in Burke County, GA, Poythress v. Cheeseborough (as posted
by Al Tims several yrs ago to our Poythress research website). Both the
will & my further comments are still posted on the Poythress research
website, http://www1.minn.net/~atims/

Different subject: from Maynard's Nov. 28th message to the List,
captioned "Bingo!!" about having found and transcribed the Will of John C.
Poythress, "Some of the names of the legatees are strangers to us.
Also apparent is the animosity that John C. Poythress held for George A.
Mandell who married his sister (?). I am not familiar with any connection
whereby Mary E. Mandell and her daughter Ann Eliza R. Mandell become nieces
of John C. Poythress."

My response: As shown in the will of George Poythress & the subsequent
Burke Co, GA suit arising from it, Mary E (nee Poythress) Mandell (later
Cheeseborough) was daughter of George Poythress, and half-sister of John C
Poythress. Her daughter, Ann Eliza R Mandell, would thus be niece of John
C. Yet we see in Maynard's transcription of the will of John C Poythress
in item 4, "...for the use and behoof of my niece Mary E. Mandell and her
daughter Ann Eliza R. Mandell to be maintained separate.." Two
possibilities occur to me:
- (1) Maybe John C's relationship with half-sister Mary E was more like
uncle & niece due to their 30-yr difference in ages [see census item
below], and John just thought of her as "niece" even though she was his
half-sister.
- (2) Might it be a possible transcription error either by the Burke
County clerk who originally recorded the will (or maybe even possibly by
you Maynard, due to the difficult-to-read microfilm)? -- ie perhaps his
original will said something slightly different such as "...of my sister
and niece, Mary E Mandell and her daughter Ann..."

This census item is from Maynard's quoted info of several months ago [Sorry
I don't have the exact date earlier this year, or the caption of the
message, to which he attached this info in a Word document] from "Families
of Burke County, Georgia 1755-1855, A Census," by authors: Robert S. Davis,
Silas Lucas. In Maynard's quote, he included the fact that this is from
"the 1850 Census of Burke County, Schedule 1, Free Persons, Enumerated by
John J. Triggs, Asst. Marshal, No. 15" [15th household, I presume?] a list
of the following persons [who I took to be in one household].
- John C. Poythress, age 52, M[ale], [occupation] Planter, [born in]
Georgia [who had] (Real Est. worth $30M);
- George A. Mandell, age 22,M[ale], [occupation] Agent w/RR, [born in]
Florida;
- Mary E., age 22, F[emale], [born in] Florida;
- John P., age 4, M[ale], [born in] Florida;
- Ann E., age 2, F[emale], [born in] Florida

[Separate question to Maynard: I'm assuming that the surnames of the
persons listed below George A Mandell's name were shown as dittos of
"Mandell" -- right? If not -- that is if "John P." could have been "John
P. Poythress" -- then I would greatly appreciate knowing that, as that
would solve a separate research problem.]

Also, I don't think you should *necessarily* attach "animosity" to John C's
feeling for George A Mandell -- it could just be that he knew that George
Mandell was wealthy enough in his own right to not *need* money from John
C. Or if it was truly "animosity" then it would certainly seem that John C
had plenty of opportunity to form the conclusion, having had George A
Mandell & Mary E living with him in 1850.

Another different subject, also from Maynard's Nov. 28th message to the
List, captioned "Bingo!!" about having found and transcribed the Will of
John C. Poythress: re Maynard's question: "And where do William S. C.
Morris and his daughter Marian B. McIntosh [mentioned in the below Will of
John C Poythress] fit in? Comments welcomed"

My response: I don't recall us having info about who John C Poythress
himself married. If I have such info anywhere, it is not here travelling
with me. However, perhaps John's wife could have had a brother William
S.C. Morris. Under that scenario, William Morris' daughter, Marian B,
could have married a McIntosh, and would have indeed been the niece of
John's wife's and thus of John. This is pure speculation on my part, based
on nothing.

Hope some of this helps, at least in placing John C Poythress as son of
George Poythress & nephew of Lewis Poythress.
Barbara

= = = =
Will of George Poythress,
filed in the Jackson County Courthouse
Marianna, Jackson County, Florida

Transcript of the Will (from the original, signed with all
the different signatures), outside of
which says that it was "Recorded in Book E, page 286 & 287
this 19th day of July 1832. H.N.
Nowland, Clk."Territory of Florida, County of Jackson"
[Note: spelling, sentence structure,
and punctuation are done here as in the original document]

In the name of God Amen. I George Poythress of the Territory
and County aforesaid calling to
mind that all men must die and wishing to dispose of my
worldly Estate do make and ordain this
as my last will and Testament in Manner and form following
to wit Item 1st I give and bequeath
unto my Son John Carter Poythress my tract of Land lying and
being in the County of Burk in
the State of Georgia Known as the Rocky Creek Plantation to
him and his heirs and assigns
forever Item 2nd I give and bequeath unto John C. Poythress
of Burk County in the state of
Georgia and my friend James W. Exum of Jackson County West
Florida whom I hereby
nominate create and appoint Executors of this my last Will
and Testament in trust as such
executors all the remaining part of my Estate real &
Personal both in Law and Equity with all
monies and evidences of Debts due me to them & their heirs
Executors and Administrators, But
upon this special trust and confidence and for the purposes
hereinafter mentioned, That is to say
to suffer and permit my daughter Mary Elizabeth Mandell
receive and use to her sole and
separate use free from the controle or contracts of her
husband or husbands the income and
profits of my saidEstate for and during her natural life.
And I do hereby declare that my said
daughter's separate receipt notwithstanding her said
coverture shall be a sufficient & legal
discharge to the said Trustees for the Income of said
property so paid over to her from time to
time. And it is further my will and desire that should my
said daughter have a child or children
living at her death then & in that case I give and bequeath
said Estate Real & Personal herein
conveyed to said Child or children and to them their heirs
and assigns forever - But if my said
daughter depart this life without having a child or children
living at her death then and in that
case it is my will and desire that my said Estate real and
personal after my daughter's death
without children living go to and I do bequeath the same to
such children of my Brother Lewis of
the State of Virginia as may be living at the death of my
Daughter.

I do hereby nominate and appoint my Son John Carter
Poythress and my friend James W. Exum
my Executors to carry this my last will into effect hereby
revoking all former wills made by me -
In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed
my seal this Sixth day of April In
the year of our Lord 1829 -- Geo Poythress

Signed Sealed and Executed
In the presence of us who sign the same in the presence
of
the Testator and in the presence of each other --
Wm. J. Mauldin
Robert Ross
H. D. Stone
= = = =
Notes and Observations:

Some of you are aware that a brother of Lewis Poythress of
Virginia, i.e.George Poythress, died in
Jackson County, Florida (at that time JacksonCounty,
Territory of Florida) well after making his will
(signed on 6 April1829), around July 1832. William Mauldin,
Esqr, who had witnessed it,swore on 19
July 1832 in Jackson County Territory of Florida that George
signed it in the presence of him and the
other 2 witnesses, Robert Ross, and H.D. Stone.

I offer the following observations/questions after having
just tediously read thru copies that arrived from
Salt Lake today, requested when we returned from there in
March: all 11 pages of "Poythress vs.
Cheesborough" from Burke Co., GA's "Equity Records
1834-1852" pp. 77-87 for 1848 (FHL film #
222,856), where George's will appears as Exhibit A, and
where the lengthy inventory of George's
property appears as Exhibit B, all of which is in the Burke
Co Clerk's difficult-to-read handwriting:

- It is stated in the court proceedings by John C. Poythress
(who was named in George's will as his son,
and as his executor along with another executor James W.
Exum) that Mary Mandell, "now Mary
Cheesborough" (who was named in George's will as his
daughter) is his (John's) half sister.

- It is further stated in the court proceeding, by the way,
that Mary's "maternal uncle" is Alexander L.
Lawson, who they finally settled on to be Trustee for Mary
after John C. was getting too feeble to want to
do it any more, which seems to be the cause for this court
action.

- It mentions in the inventory and accounting of George's
estate, when listing EXPENSES paid out of the
estate, a "Richmond Factory" not further identified.
Richmond County, GA was formed in 1777 (same
year as Burke Co was formed) immediately north of Burke Co.
so this could be some factory in
Richmond County, or it could be in Richmond, VA perhaps, or
elsewhere. There does not appear to be
(or have been) a Richmond in Florida... Does this Richmond
Factory ring any familiar bell for anyone?
Each year for several years a sum around 60 (pounds?) was
paid out to the factory according to the
accounting.

- My main question, especially directed to Bud since I
cannot locate the answer in my stuff from his
former researcher Kathy Best, is: - Did we ever see the will
and estate proceedings for Mary
Cheesborough?

- That should state (1) whether or not she had any living
heirs to inherit the estate from her father George;
and (2) IF she did not have any heirs, then HER ESTATE
PROCEEDINGS would be where we could
find any info about any children of George's brother Lewis
in Virginia: they would have to then make a
search for them, &/or list them, etc. That, of course is a
big IF.

- (My secondary question is Why did it take so long for this
to hit me?)

Presumably Mary died wherever she lived. Thus I have also
just combed through the copies I made in
Jackson Co, FL last week of George's entire estate packet,
to see where that may have been. Looks like
it was Jackson Co, FL. She signed some of the receipts for
proceeds of the crops of various years, in
Marianna, which is in Jackson County, FL, and others just in
Jackson Co. Wish I had thought of that while
I was in the court house there, and could easily have at
least hunted for her estate packet...

One slip of paper in George's estate packet mentions the
possibility of her having children. It is an 1845
"Return of John C. Poythress Executor of the last will of
George Poythress Decd and trustee under the will
of the property of Mary E. Cheeseborough & her children"
which then lists the various years 1841-1844
for which John paid her receipts from the crops. This of
course doesn't let us know if she had any surviving
heirs whenever she died.
= = =		01/04/2001 1:45:23
Gedcoms of Batte's infoCharles NealDiana,

When you've finished working on it, I would love to get a copy of the
Gedcom file. Thanks again so much for all your work in entering all that
data! Study of the info from the format of our various computer genealogy
programs (after we each Gedcom it into our program), should make it more
comprehensible to all of us.

Barbara



01/04/2001 3:08:14
Mary ________Sheryl.....re GenForum Message board.

Lets take the easy one first. I too believe that "Frances" for Mary's middle
name is just a confusion with husband Francis Poythress. After all, folks
have been thrashing around forever looking for this one.

Second, who (in this instance) is "Robert" and who is "Robert's wife". I
guess that is part of the "thread" and I missed the front end of the
conversation.

Its a shame Ms. Tuttle doesn't see fit to cite her source for "the court,
etc."....but hey, many don't.....and don't even realize it strips all the
credibility out of whatever he or she "quotes". Wonder if she'd give you the
citation? What record book? What page, etc.? And maybe, who is "Robert"
and who is "Robert's wife".

I would bet dollars to donuts that Mary's maiden name was indeed Sloman but I
can't even get enough for a reasonable conjecture.

All I have is that Francis' 4 children had "traditional" Poythress names
maybe because Francis was a hard case. Along comes Capt. Wynne, possibily
kinder and gentler, and up pop a couple of Sloman Christian names in the
following two generations, a name never before seen in either the Wynne or
the Poythress lines. That's a pretty slender reed to be leaning on but its
all I have.

Ms. Tuttle looks to be headed in exactly the right direction; maybe she'll
share the map? Would you try?

Thanks,

Maynard
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Re: Wynne/Poythress/Sloman
Posted by: Dorothy G. Tuttle Date: January 05, 2001 at 10:15:35
In Reply to: Wynne/Poythress/Sloman by Sheryl Rowell Townsend of 482

This is what I have seen:
In 1658 in Charles City Court, "The court hath requested and appointed
Captain John Woodlief and Mr. George Potter by the 20th of this month to view
and examine the difference between Captain Robert Wynne for the estate of Mr.
John Sloman, decd., and Mr. Francis Epes and Mr. Thomas Epes and to return
their report to the next court. (Charles City County Book, p 162) From this
court order, it is assumed that Robert's wife was the daughter of John Sloman.
J. T. McAlister stated in his post of 19 Dec that two men named John Sloman
are among the 12 listed for Robert Wynne's headrights. Does any have the
source?
Lately I have seen Mary referred to as Mary Frances Sloman. I wonder where
the middle name Frances came from. I didn't think individuals had middle
names in the early days of Virginia. I have wondered if the Frances was
really her first husband's name (Francis Poythress)
Dorothy

01/05/2001 7:44:56
Re: The Master Genologist "TMG"Do I dare suggest that we try to put together everything we know, think we
know, or suspect into one Gedcom? Or maybe somebody already has....


Steve



01/06/2001 6:43:35
(no subject)Answer from Mrs. Ellison below. I missed totally on my guess that she knew
and had worked with Martha Dixon. I'll send her Martha's snail mail address.
I suspect there is nothing further to be learned from Mrs. Ellison. I don't
even see an Elizabeth Poythress daughter of a "William" m. to John Dixon.
The only William I see in Thomas Poythress' line is the probable son of
George Poythress who was b. 1800, d. 1828 and that one is not possible.
However, if I'm missing something here I'd like to hear about it. The
"expeditious" nature of internet genealogy Mrs. Ellison cites may indeed be
fast and efficient......but what about "WRONG!".

>>>>
Subj: Re: Poythress Family
Date: 1/7/01 3:27:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:    ellisong@digital.net (Georgia Ellison)
To:    VKRatliff@aol.com

My husband is a descendent of Elizabeth Poythress, daughter of William
Poythress, and wife of John Dixon.
The information that I have on this family came from research on the
internet. I know that is not the most accurate way to research, but is
certainly expeditious.  I look forward to the day that I can travel and do
first hand research. 
You seem to have a lot more information than I do and I can't really document
my info.
There seems to be quite a lot of information on this family while in VA.  As
they leave there, they aren't documented as well.
I'm interested in the reseacher that you mentioned, Martha Dixon.  My
husband's family has Dixon's too.
I do have more information on Dixon than Poythress.  Would you mind sharing
her email address or send mine to her?
I feel that I haven't been of any help to you, I'm sorry.  Will keep your
name in the event I run across something that may be of interest.
Georgia Ellison		01/07/2001 1:23:13
Re: Thomas Poythress in Warren Co. NCBarbara......the evidence suggests a straight shot from VA to GA for "our"
Thomas.
However, if he WAS going to stop off in NC for some court business, the time
frame is fairly precise.

Any way to do a little more digging on this one?

Thanks,

Maynard



01/08/2001 4:28:56
from Helene PockrusSubj: Poythress in Dallas.
Date: 1/13/01 11:37:04 AM Eastern Standard Time
From:    helenepockrus@earthlink.net (Helene Pockrus)
To:    VKRatliff@aol.com

Maynard, please share this new site with anyone who needs it.  It has a
Poythress birth with parents and address.
    Please also send Barb Neal's e-mail address as I crashed and am trying
to rebuild my addresses. [Barb....ok, done. MP]
Helene
http://theoldentimes.com/dalbir121003.html


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I gave some thought to the notion that she might be that Minnie Poythress who
died in 1973 in CA and was brought back to Screven County to be buried in
1973. Its still possible that she is the same woman who just had a child in
Dallas on the way west. However, I can't find that newspaper clipping of
1973.

Maynard


 

   





































01/13/2001 7:24:18
Re: from Helene PockrusAARRGH......all of that "site" Helene referred to copied okay except the
information part. You'll just have to go on your own to the site that
Helene shows.

Maynard



01/13/2001 7:43:03
Down for a few days!Hi Folks:

If any of you sent e-mail messages to me within the past 2 weeks, that may
have been returned or I did not answer, please resend it. For my computer
has been down for the past couple weeks, so I've been off-line. And I've
really been missing your many "glad tidings," so to speak.

Besides, and because of the problem/s I had I am no longer on AOL, but have
had the relative new "Road Runner" (high speed cable modem) installed, so my
e-mail address has changed as well. Please take note, it's now:

>>> BPoythress@ec.rr.com <<<

Thanks, .... and I'm sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused.

L. "Bud" Poythress
Wilmington, NC		01/13/2001 11:01:08
Tips on Using Batte's Family Index CardsDiana DiamondI have been reading a lot about how to use R. Bolling Batte's collection of
30,000 index cards at the Library of Virginia online digital collection in
the Poythress-L archives, but after using those cards a lot in the last
several months I will throw in my two cents on subjects that I haven't seen
covered. If this is a new subject to you, check out:
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/dlp/genbib/

First, until you get the hang of it, the cards are hard to download and hard
to make sense out of.

Second, first reading of the list (
http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html ) seems to leave out a lot of
early Virginia families I expected to see there.

Third, there are inconsistencies in how the cards are presented leading to
possible misunderstandings.

PATIENCE

1) The traffic on the site ebbs and flows. Patience is required. Sometimes
my browser "timed out" and no cards appeared. Other times they popped up
quickly. I finally realized I needed to use my browser's refresh screen,
sometimes many times. Or I needed to four browser windows at once set at 20
card intervals and start downloading files.* (And do other things to boot.)
Then I made progress. I found that downloading a whole family of interest
yielded the best results. A photo program that allows a slide show is a
great way to review the cards and nail down what you need. I use ACDsee
which can be downloaded for a relatively small price and reviewed free for a
month or two. A photo program also allows you to print the cards at a size
that is right for your eyes and your needs, if you wish to print them at
all.

HIDDEN NAMES

2) A lot of families are there but hidden because many of the smaller
families are grouped behind a heading of surname ahead of it in the
alphabetical list. For instance, I found my Campbells in the file marked
Camp. I found the first half of the Blands in a file named "Blanchard."
Wynne is under "Wyatt" see Card 105 & 106 for Francis Poythress's wife
Mary's other children.
http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawerIII/disk8/CC/BA/040/W0543?105 and the card
that follows.

ILLOGICAL

3) Some families are presented with the surname and an initial and others
with a surname and a first name. The Eppes/Epes are presented out of
alphabetical order. I see obvious reason for these inconsistencies. The
explanation of Batte and his work is worth reading carefully, but it is to
be found under a button on each image page under the yellow word "HELP". I
would have preferred to see it at the portal of the collection. The help
page is worth reading. Also it took me a while to notice the Green Index
link which will take you back to the family list.

Diana

POINTER for newbies
*To download the image alone, right click with cursor within the card image
and then click "save as" and choose a folder to hold your index card files.		01/14/2001 3:53:48
VirusesHey, folks the Budweiser Frogs and the Snow White viruses are making the
rounds again. In fact, they showed up back to back in my mail yesterday. Be
sure to just click them off and don't open them.

MP



01/16/2001 6:37:03
Re: GedcomsLyn BairdDiana, thanks so much for this information on Gedcoms. Sometime ago
(three years?), I attempted to import and export Gedcoms using FTM
(perhaps FTM 4.0?). I was unable to figure out how to preserve the
SOURCE information. This discouraged me from further attempts. Have you
had success with encoding/decoding FTM source information and, if so,
could you provide any hints? Thanks.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Re: Brunswick Co, VA Civil War SoldiersLyn BairdBarbara, thanks for alerting the list to the Pritchett work. Over
Christmas Mother brought me her copy and left it for me to look over. So
far I have found the following Poythress "alliances":

Benjamin James Moseley p. 384; father of Lucy Cannon Moseley, who was
wife of James D. Poythress
[Pritchett's source asserts that Lucy married William Floyd 2 January
1932, not only incorrect but laughable. Using the birth year stated in
the text, Lucy would have been age 79 at the time. The rest of the
information seems more or less correct. As I have provided you before,
Lucy married James D. on 27 Nov 1877.]

John David Stanley p. 524; son of Rebecca L. Poythress, who was daughter
of Lewis Poythress

David Stith Thomas p. 551; brother of Lucy Thomas, who was wife of Thomas
M. Poythress
[Pritchett's source is unaware of siblings of David Stith Thomas.]

These are all I've found thus far. As with Pritchett's newspaper
columns, I find this compilation both informative and frustrating. On
the one hand, we have here what amounts to documentation of an entire
generation across an entire county, a monumental and rich reference. On
the other hand, Pritchett provides no sources whatever. Perhaps since he
published originally in newspapers, he avoided sources as they would tend
to disrupt the narrative and would not be appreciated by the average
reader. Further, in cases that I have knowledge from other sources, I
find his information significantly flawed. Some of this information
seems to have been collected and republished with little or no critical
review. Well, as with all references, we take it as it comes and try to
reconstruct the lost sources, detect the flaws and repair them.

One further comment, about Poythresses in Brunswick County. This work
reinforces our perception that Poythresses are scarce in Brunswick County
during this period (ca. 1810 - 1880). Every Poythress surname referenced
(there are only six), and the Poythresses associated with the above three
soldiers, are all identified descendants of Lewis Poythress of
Mecklenburg County. If there was another Poythress line lurking in
Brunswick, Mr. Pritchett missed it. And while I sometimes doubt his
accuracy, I have little doubt of the thoroughness of his coverage.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Re: Brunswick Co, VA Civil War SoldiersCharles NealLyn,

Thank you so much for your reviewing info & commentary re Pritchett's
captioned book.

I am currently traveling & am frustrated that I don't have at my fingertips
(or I can't find it, if indeed it *is* saved in a file on this laptop, as I
think it should be) the info about the dates of Lucy Cannon Moseley's life,
which I know you have given me previously. Could you share those dates
again, please?

Re: "...Lucy Cannon Moseley, who was wife of James D. Poythress
[Pritchett's source asserts that Lucy married William Floyd 2 January 1932,
not only incorrect but laughable. Using the birth year stated in the text,
Lucy would have been age 79 at the time. The rest of the information seems
more or less correct. As I have provided you before, Lucy married James D.
on 27 Nov 1877"

Seems to me (from sketchy memory) that Lucy probably didn't live long
enough to get to age 79, and even *if* Lucy lived to be age 79, then
certainly your mother would have been aware if she had had such a
late-in-life marriage, which of course would've had to have been a 2nd (or
later) marriage. I am curious & do not now recall: is Mr. Pritchett still
around, for sending correcting info to? or was this book done by someone
else using info from his earlier newspaper articles & his files?

Thanks again, Lyn.
Cheers,
Barbara		01/28/2001 3:43:47
New NARA Microfilm catalogCharles NealCopied info below is from another List that I get.

> A new NARA [National Archives] microfilm catalog is available:
> Cost is $5.00.
>
> This new Year 2000 edition lists over 2,700 NARA microfilm publications,
>including 200 NEW microfilm publications issued since the 1996 edition
>which it supercedes.
>
> "".).
>
> "" Institutional purchase orders are also accepted.
>
> When ordering catalogs and books, the shipping charge is $3.00 for orders
>up to $50.00; for shipping costs beyond that, call 1-800-234-8861.
>		01/28/2001 3:43:50
Lucy C. Moseley; Bruns Co, VaLyn BairdBarbara: "I am currently traveling & am frustrated that I don't have at
my fingertips (or I can't find it, if indeed it *is* saved in a file on
this laptop, as I think it should be) the info about the dates of Lucy
Cannon Moseley's life,
which I know you have given me previously. Could you share those dates
again, please?"

That would be Lucy Cannon Moseley; b. 21 May 1852, m. James David
Poythress 27 Nov 1877, d. 11 Dec 1911 (21 years before her posthumous
marriage to Mr. Floyd 🙂 The remains of Lucy and James rest in the
Davis-Poythress Cemetery in Brodnax, Brunswick Co., Va.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Mother & the Pritchett Book (Civil War Soldiers, Brunswick Co)Lyn BairdBarbara and all, Mother relates a story about picking up her copy of
Pritchett's book from the Brunswick Library. After having left the
building, she glanced at the book and discovered it was not her copy.
Instead the library had given her the library's own gold-lettered,
testamentary, special edition. This wasn't even one for lending or for
looking; this was glass case material. This caused quite a stir when she
reported this to the library, the clerks came near fainting. Of course
they were more than grateful to her and PROMPTLY exchanged the special
edition for a common, everyday, hardback edition. 🙂

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01/28/2001 4:10:00
Lucy C. Moseley; Bruns Co, VaCharles NealLyn, thanks so much for the info on your ancestor Lucy C Moseley, and for
the cute story about your Mother picking up her copy of the Pritchett book.
Know the library staff was *so* relieved that she was so honest to bring
back their special edition!



01/29/2001 9:51:41
RE: GedcomsDiana DiamondLyn,

The question of sourcing in the various family data base programs is an
interesting one, and I don't claim to be particularly knowledgeable by any
stretch of the imagination.

However, once I broke the code for Family Tree Maker (FTM) v. 7.5, I haven't
had too many problems.

If you want to include a source in FTM, you put your cursor on the name or
date you want to source, and then you depress CONTROL and S at the same
time. (S as in lower case s). A dialog box appears. Then fill in the
blanks. The program will save the source title so that you can use the same
source many times, with variations. If you want to read a source someone
else has included, you simply repeat the process of CONTROL-S with your
cursor already placed at the spot where a small "s" or other letter
indicates a source has been included. That "s" incidentally is outside but
next to the space for the editable name or date, etc. In other words, it is
in the yellow space for most applications.

In my tests using PAF 4, downloaded from the LDS site (free), I find that
the FTM source material transfers. However, in order to read it, I have had
to go the reports area, and print to screen a preview of a family or
individual file or in fact print a family report. There is probably an
easier way, but I have had limited experience with PAF.

Lyn or any list member would like to experiment with another program, I
would happily send you a small gedom of 3 to 5 people created in FTM v. 7.5
with source material as a test.

Most programs have a "notes" area, and I suppose if all else fails,
important material and sourcing could be placed there. However, the current
FTM solution seems to be well designed for handling sources to my way of
thinking.

Diana		01/30/2001 3:32:48
Re: GedcomsLyn BairdDiane, thanks for the response. It appears I did not ask my question
well. I know how to put source information into FTM. In fact, almost
every bit of information in my FTM database has source information
attached. What I have not yet learned is how to create a GEDCOM that
contains source information. Or, perhaps I am getting the source
information into the GEDCOM but do not know how to get it out when I
import. Anyway, whenever I export from my FTM to GEDCOM then import back
into FTM, the source information is gone. So, how do I export and import
and not lose the source information? Thanks for any advice. -lpb

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:32:48 -0500 "Diana Diamond"
writes:
> Lyn,
>
> The question of sourcing in the various family data base programs is
> an
> interesting one, and I don't claim to be particularly knowledgeable
> by any
> stretch of the imagination.
>
> However, once I broke the code for Family Tree Maker (FTM) v. 7.5, I
> haven't
> had too many problems.
>
> If you want to include a source in FTM, you put your cursor on the
> name or
> date you want to source, and then you depress CONTROL and S at the
> same
> time. (S as in lower case s). A dialog box appears. Then fill in
> the
> blanks. The program will save the source title so that you can use
> the same
> source many times, with variations. If you want to read a source
> someone
> else has included, you simply repeat the process of CONTROL-S with
> your
> cursor already placed at the spot where a small "s" or other letter
> indicates a source has been included. That "s" incidentally is
> outside but
> next to the space for the editable name or date, etc. In other
> words, it is
> in the yellow space for most applications.
>
> In my tests using PAF 4, downloaded from the LDS site (free), I find
> that
> the FTM source material transfers. However, in order to read it, I
> have had
> to go the reports area, and print to screen a preview of a family
> or
> individual file or in fact print a family report. There is probably
> an
> easier way, but I have had limited experience with PAF.
>
> Lyn or any list member would like to experiment with another
> program, I
> would happily send you a small gedom of 3 to 5 people created in FTM
> v. 7.5
> with source material as a test.
>
> Most programs have a "notes" area, and I suppose if all else fails,
> important material and sourcing could be placed there. However, the
> current
> FTM solution seems to be well designed for handling sources to my
> way of
> thinking.
>
> Diana
>
>
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StainbackCharles NealDear P-List,

I just saw this on the Greene Co, NC List, to which I subscribe. Know that
some of you have the STAINBACK surname in your tree & thought you might be
interested.

Cheers,
Barbara
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>Subject: {not a subscriber} Stainback-Duke Reunion, March 31, 2001, Epsom,
NC
>
>You are cordially invited to a Stainback-Duke family reunion on Saturday,
>March 31, 2001, at the Epsom Country Club in Epsom, North Carolina.
>
>Epsom is located in Vance County, North Carolina, between Henderson and
>Louisburg. Vance County is where the old Stainback home place and cemetery

>are located. Vance was subdivided in 1881 from Granville, Franklin and
Warren
>Counties, all of which have lots of Stainbacks and Dukes, who intermarried

>not only with each other, but with many of the surnames originating in
North
>Carolina. If your family has people from this part of North Carolina or
>nearby southern Virginia, you're probably related! Everyone interested in
>genealogy is invited.
>
>The organizer of the reunion is:
>
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>Tel: 252-492-9205
>
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site:
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>SDReunion List Manager		02/02/2001 5:54:01
False Markers in Genealogical DataYou are receiving this message from http://www.ancestry.com at the request
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Interesting column. I have seen genealogies falsified for vanity and
falsified to please a
"buyer" but it never ocurred to me that one might be "planting" a
deliberate mistake. Guess I'm that naive.

Maynard

False Markers in Genealogical Data
I received a lot of responses to my column "Bogus Genealogiges." A
surprisingly large number of people reported another type of problem: the
researcher who intentionally inserts incorrect data into his or her
research.

The full article can be found at:
http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/news/articles/3324.asp		02/03/2001 7:43:58
RE: False Markers in Genealogical DataLou PooleMaynard, thanks for this informative column. I had no idea that
people were doing that, either.

What I found MOST interesting, and perfectly aligned with my
understanding of "rights," was on down the column in the copyright
discussion. I don't think I've seen the issue explained better. Many
people have the very mistaken idea that they "own" data they've found,
and that's what creates the problem at the beginning of the article in
the first place.

Lou

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Interesting column. I have seen genealogies falsified for vanity and
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"buyer" but it never ocurred to me that one might be "planting" a
deliberate mistake. Guess I'm that naive.

Maynard

False Markers in Genealogical Data
I received a lot of responses to my column "Bogus Genealogiges." A
surprisingly large number of people reported another type of problem:
the
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Re: GedcomsDiana, I am also interested in Lyn's question. Since you have been using FTM
longer than any of us that I know about you're the logical answerer. I also
notice when I receive an FTM gedcom there is nothing but the bare-bones front
page stuff.
I had assumed that was just one of the sender's options, perhaps a wrong
assumption?

Maynard



02/03/2001 11:18:40
RE: GedcomsDiana DiamondI am not sure what is happening. When sources exist, they transfer for me.
I have also found that even the "Book" stuff transfers in an FTM program
reconstitutes a file from a Gedcom is created by FTM.

You will have to be more specific about your problems. I'll try to help.
But while I have played with many aspects of Family Tree Maker and now PAF,
I still have things to learn here:)

Diana




02/03/2001 11:29:45
Library of VirginiaFrom the current newsletter:

THE CHANCERY RECORDS INDEX GOES ONLINE

The Library of Viriginia is working to enhance researcher access to its vast
collection of records. A new addition to the Library's many on-line
databases is the Chancery Records Index....

....Each of Virginia's circuit courts is eligible to receive a grant...to
process and index the pre-1913 chancery records housed in the clerk's office.
After 1913 most of the genealogical information can be more easily found in
the records of the Dept. of Vital Statistics.

.....a Chancery case is a case of equity where "justice is administered
according to fairness as contrasted with the strictly formulated rules of
law. Chancery records are a valuable series of court records for researching
genealogical information and land or estate divisions and may contain
correspondence, lists of heirs or vital statistics, among other items. Some
of the more common types of chancery causes deal with divorces, estate
settlements and boundary disputes.

For those clerk's offices that have received grants, project personnel are
hired locally and trained by CCRP (Circuit Courts Records Preservation) staff
members. The processors flat file the papers from each case and rehouse the
papers in acid-free folders and boxes. Next, plaintiffs' and defendents'
names, the presence of plats, wills, and other surnames are indexed into the
data base. Each case is assigned a unique index number comprised of the year
of final decree and a sequentially increasing 3-digit number assigned by the
processor as cases for that year are found.

Once processing and indexing are completed, the records are microfilmed, and
the reel and image numbers are added to the database. For preservation
purposes, the original records are then retired, and the microfilm becomes
the sole source of access to the records. The microfilm can be viewed at the
Library of Virginia or at the circuit court clerk's office.

...Those patrons unable to visit the Library may use the Archives Records
Request Form to obtain copies through the mail based on the Library's fee
structure for research requests. Patrons may request copies of the three
main elements of a case-- the bill, answer and final decree -- or a copy of
the entire case. The Archives
Research Services staff will not conduct research in a case or copy documents
related only to certain individuals.

To read more about the Chancery Records Index, go to the Library of Virginia
homepage at http://www.lva.lib.va.us, click on the "What's New" section and
then click on The Chancery Records Index.

(posted as information for listmembers 5 Feb 2001, Maynard)		02/05/2001 10:46:01
National Archives PageDiana DiamondMaynard and Barbara,

This may sound like a silly question to an old hands like you, but how do
you read microfilm? Do you own a reader, and if so, can you recommend one
and a tell us where to find one?

Diana



02/09/2001 4:16:06
Microfilm ReaderI have so far not deemed it practical to buy a reader. I have seen used ones
in decent condition (small table top models) advertised for up to several
hundred dollars. My guess is they are likely limited in focus adjustments and
light intensity adjustments which are a couple of fairly important features.
Many of those "images" take a bit of studying to read. Most of the Mormon
filming was done in the 40's and the technology of the time didn't make the
images crystal clear. Also, some of those court clerks themselves had sloppy
handwriting and often the original document the Mormons were filming had
damage or aging of one sort or another.

Further, thinking about buying a lot of microfilm ($40-$50 a roll) makes it
even more impractical. Note of course that you can order microfilm on
interlibrary loan but you CAN'T take it home with you.....or at least you
can't at LDS Family Centers, Lib. of Virginia or the Louisville Library and I
doubt anyplace else.

Buying a lot of microfilm is a low percentage proposition, somewhat like
buying a ton of genealogy books that each have only one or two mentions that
are of interest to you. Its just much more practical to copy them at the
library unless you know the entire book is loaded with what you want.....or I
suppose if you want the book for a reference or to go into the genealogy biz.
(sorry, Craig).

So, that sort of latches one to the library where the microfilm is....or to
the library to where you have it sent if you use inter-library loan. Bottom
line is there is just no percentage in buying a "home" reader.

All readers operate pretty much on the same principle and are remarkably
identical in their really simple "controls".

A typical repository will almost always have readers available. Every once
in a blue moon you'll get on a waiting list for maybe an hour tops. At least
that is my experience. The contraptions are all lined up like study warrens
and typically there is space on one or both sides to put pads to write on and
other stuff. There are two types, manual cranked and electric. Always opt
for electric if you have a choice but the hand crank is not really all that
bad.

From the card catalog (or computer index) one gets the drawer number and roll
number you want. Typically the card catalog is sectioned off by counties.
Usually each roll is in its own little cardboard box with number and contents
typed on the edge. Almost never is a roll out of place but you may
occasionally find a roll where some turkey has refiled the "take up reel"
instead of rewinding to the original reel so the thing reads backwards.
That happens frequently enough that you just give it to a library helper and
they even have a little re-wind machine and will fix it for you.

The reader is composed of two overhead "spindles", the "unwinder reel" on
which you place the "full" reel to be read.....and the take up "empty" reel,
into which you thread the end of the film from the original reel. Between the
two spindles that hold the reels of film is a little glass plate (lens) under
which one threads the film. Typically you are standing up now because that
part of the apparatus is couple of feet above where your head will be when
you are operating the thing.

A high intensity light (usually adjustable) in the "top" of the warren throws
a beam of light from about 4 or 5 inches "through" the microfilm which is
thus magnified and projected to the slanted "table" at which you are sitting.
The projected image is usually about 14 x 17, quite easy to work with. With
one hand you either crank or operate the electric "feeding" of the frames
sequentially from the original reel to the take up reel. Regulating the speed
and/or pausing to make notes is very easy with both hand cranked and electric
models.

When you get to the end of the roll you just rewind it, put it in its box and
return it.
Easy as pie. And it really does take only about 5 minutes to learn how to do
it and
libraries ALWAYS have someone ready to instruct you.

Other:

1) photocopying microfilm......this seldom pays off as a "volume" proposition
(as does, for example, photocopying pages of out a book). The very best
option (seldom available) is that your individual reader will have a copier
attached and you just drop,
say, a quarter in the slot when the image you want is on the table in front
of you.
I am still reluctant to even use this feature unless its one particular
document I want to take home and puzzle over at my leisure in order to
transcribe. Even then, remember that microfilm copies deteriorate fairly
quickly....I guess 6 months or so.

The TYPICAL deal is you take the reel over to a special copier (these things
are expensive and so the libraries seldom have more than a few of them...and
they are usually a pain to fool with). You run the reel back through until
you find the frame you want to copy and drop a quarter (or whatever) in the
slot. Microfilm copiers are generally the Edsels of the genealogy
world.....often the focus of a particular document will even change from one
side of the document or the other. Which leads us to:

2) how do you get text from a microfilm home from the repository. Presently
used:
copiers (expensive and a bummer as described above), a lap top, pencil and
paper.
I'm unwilling to buy a lap top just for this purpose....and if you already
have a lap top I'll still suggest a better way (later).

In the future: digital photography. At first blush this seemed a natural
but there are a ton of technical problems best left to the pros. Best bet
for the future: a very small contraption (about 80 bucks) that looks very
much like one of those little crumb scrapers that waiters use on the
tablecloth except they are optical scanners. You just run the thing across
the lines projected on your table. I'm told those rascals will hold 10 or 12
KB, a lot more than you're going to want to do in a day. You just take it
home and download it on to your hard drive. The problem: the developers did
the hard part first: those things work on typed OCR (Optical character
recognition). They don't do photographic "images" (i. e. handwriting) yet
and of course that's what we are working with.

Unless the little scanners described above are just wonderful they aren't
going to beat the world's champeen....just plain old abstracting. I started
out trying to transcribe that stuff. My theory was that since we are working
with limited information we needed every scrap. Nope. The nasty little
secret is that all those good old boys went to the same law schools and all
those "to wits" and "whereases" read the virtually the same on every
document. For example, on an indenture (deed) you typically only want
a) party of the first part (the seller) and where he's from
b) party of the second part (the buyer) and where he's from
c) land, amount of acres and if you''re lucky some coordinates or other
locators
d) the price
e) usually the witnesses
f) anything else unusual that strikes your eye.....that's it. All the rest
is either
boilerplate or fodder for a fee. You'll likely want to read it but
you're not likely
to want to transcribe it.

Do I always abstract? No. I think wills often need transcribing especially.
There are other exceptions but not many. And, of course, one has to learn
what comes fairly easily and that is to become accustomed to the handwriting
conventions of the time.
(as in "no dummy, that's not "fs" or "ff"; its REALLY "ss"). And believe it
or not, that's about the only one that consistently throws people, the rest
is fairly easy ....but I don't think it will be a big deal to just get into
the habit. You'll also learn a semi-funky vocabulary of obsolete legal terms
but that gets to sort of be fun. (Wow your friends at cocktail parties).

3) hope that the Deed Book or Will Book or whatever has a name index in the
front....they usually (but not always) do. Otherwise you scan 400 or 500
documents which is about par for a roll. Aaaargh.

4) hope that you can read the clerk's handwriting....and usually you can.

5) once in a while you'll find a microfilm reader that "loads from the
bottom".....don't fret....its just like the other ones, just upside down.
Same principle, same controls.

6) Understand that microfilm is where the real gold is there ready to be
panned. Don't be faked out by only 12 or 14 rolls for Prince George County
because the rest is burned. A typical county in Georgia (and Virginia is not
too different) will have
easily a hundred and fifty or so reels. That's seventy five thousand
documents per county, all indexed and just waiting for you to look at the
indexes, pluck out our stuff, abstract it and put it on the wire for us.
Unless you want to go to dirty old courthouses with sometimes nasty clerks,
its almost guaranteed that if you ARE going to ever find anything orginal,
its going to be buried in some roll of microfilm that nobody has looked at in
a hundred years; not printed in some guy or gal's book.


I'm sure I left out something or said something wrong. Commentaries welcomed.

Maynard		02/09/2001 7:23:20
National Archives PageHey folks, Barb dropped a site on us a couple of weeks ago that has kept me
real busy:

Subj: New NARA Microfilm catalog
Date: 1/28/01 10:45:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:    BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com (Charles Neal)
Sender:    BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com (Charles Neal)
To:    POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Copied info below is from another List that I get. 

> A new NARA [National Archives] microfilm catalog is available:
>   Cost is $5.00.
>
> This new Year 2000 edition lists over 2,700 NARA microfilm publications,
>including 200 NEW microfilm publications issued since the 1996 edition
>which it supercedes.
>
> "".).
>
>  ""  Institutional purchase orders are also accepted.
>
> When ordering catalogs and books, the shipping charge is $3.00 for orders
>up to $50.00; for shipping costs beyond that, call 1-800-234-8861

>>>>>>>
Using the site address above one does indeed go to the NARA updated catalog
page. However, there is more (and it ain't ginzu steak knives). Scroll to
the bottom of that page and click on "return to Genealogy page".......it will
kick you to NARA's
"front page" with comprehensize indexes to publications and microfilm PLUS a
number of digitalized actual individual records. The digitalized records
are somewhat spotty and you have to look for them but the index shows some
red meat.

Best,

Maynard		02/09/2001 8:45:22
RE: Microfilm ReaderDiana DiamondThanks so much, Maynard.

Diana




02/10/2001 2:24:36
Microfilm readersCharles NealDiana,

Maynard gave a good explanation on how to use one, so I won't get into that
part.

Other points:

- There are places where you can buy rolls of microfilm more in the range
of $18-20 per roll. Thus you can work at home. And others have assured me
that thru their own particular local libraries that do *not* have a
microfilm-reader, they have been able to borrow rolls on inter-library loan
from places that lend them (such as Library of VA), and then take the roll
home to work on, if they have their own reader at home.

- No, I don't own one, because we live in a townhouse with limited space &
just plain don't have room for one.

- If we had space for one, I would probably have gotten one of them by now
especially after seeing how Helene Pockrus' husband, Tex, had a small one
that he had set up & very easily used. His was originally designed to be
primarily a microfiche-card reader, but also had the other lenses for
reading microfilm. With those readers, the viewing screen (on which you
read the image) is up in front of your eyes (like your computer monitor is)
rather than down on a slanted table like Maynard described & like you find
in the libraries. The microfiche-card/microfilm readers are a lot cheaper
-- I think Tex said that frequently you can get a used one from any office
or company in your area that formerly used them & has upgraded their
record-storage methods, for the favor of hauling it away, or certainly for
very cheap. For example, a number of police depts used to use them & may
be selling them, as well as a number of other offices that had volumes of
records to store for a long time.

- Anyway, Tex's had a couple of spindles -- one off to the left & one to
the right of the small screen, and used a simple hand-crank. He used it to
review & transcribe MANY ROLLS of Civil War records, as one of the many
volunteers around the country who helped do that for the nation-wide
project of transcribing all of them.

- If you buy a reader, be darned sure that you can get extra bulbs for it.
Some readers, I have been told, have some particularly strange bulbs that
are hard to come by. One branch library I visited in West L.A. had one
microfilm-reader just gathering dust, but it could not be used by the
library patrons since its bulb was burned out, and they had not been able
to find a replacement bulb anywhere!!

- There is a product now available called ImageMouse, which is a
mouse-shaped gizmo, which I think attaches by a cord to your computer for
reading microfiche-cards & microfilm on your monitor. Then any image you
see that you want a copy of, you can just print from your printer, and if
you wish to save the image digitally, you can save it as whatever kind of
image-file you wish. I just did a search on the web to refresh my memory
about it, and if you search on "ImageMouse" you will find lots of info
about it.

- When looking at a couple of sites found in the search for info on
ImageMouse, I noticed that there is a little picture of the type of
microfiche/microfilm reader like Tex was using, on the lower right part of
the initial web-page for the following company (Note: the photo is on
their initial page, BEFORE you go to their subsidiary page that tells you
about all the specs for ImageMouse): http://www.alliedinfotech.com/

- The last & slowest other possibility of "reading microfilm" is to just
wait for more people/companies to digitize more of the millions of rolls of
microfilm that are currently available, making the digital versions
available on CDs and on the web.

Barbara		02/10/2001 8:48:40
Re: Microfilm readersWillow Bend BooksRecently Willow Bend Books was able to expand its offerings by 12,555 items
overnight because Heritage Quest announced that all of the census microfilm
was now available on CD for $19.95 a roll, I mean CD.

Ancestry has put much of the compiled military service index card record
data on CD for most of the wars.

And groups like Quintin Publications and Heritage Books continue to churn
out CDs like there is no tomorrow.

I lost my access to a large microfilm reader in a divorce. But I have a
small microfiche reader that with a little ingenuity reads microfilm easily.
I took a 2x4 and added two L-bracket supports to hold some cranks that I
just spin the film rolls to my heart's content (Okay, that I spin slowly to
my heart's content).

I bought mine years ago, but I understand that they are available from auto
part stores that are upgrading to new computers.

Craig


Craig R. Scott, CGRS

Willow Bend Books
65 East Main Street
Westminster, MD 21157-5026
WillowBend@willowbend.net
www.WillowBendBooks.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Neal"
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 3:48 PM
Subject: Microfilm readers


> Diana,
>
> Maynard gave a good explanation on how to use one, so I won't get into
that
> part.
>
> Other points:
>
> - There are places where you can buy rolls of microfilm more in the range
> of $18-20 per roll. Thus you can work at home. And others have assured
me
> that thru their own particular local libraries that do *not* have a
> microfilm-reader, they have been able to borrow rolls on inter-library
loan
> from places that lend them (such as Library of VA), and then take the roll
> home to work on, if they have their own reader at home.
>
> - No, I don't own one, because we live in a townhouse with limited space
&
> just plain don't have room for one.
>
> - If we had space for one, I would probably have gotten one of them by
now
> especially after seeing how Helene Pockrus' husband, Tex, had a small one
> that he had set up & very easily used. His was originally designed to be
> primarily a microfiche-card reader, but also had the other lenses for
> reading microfilm. With those readers, the viewing screen (on which you
> read the image) is up in front of your eyes (like your computer monitor
is)
> rather than down on a slanted table like Maynard described & like you find
> in the libraries. The microfiche-card/microfilm readers are a lot cheaper
> -- I think Tex said that frequently you can get a used one from any office
> or company in your area that formerly used them & has upgraded their
> record-storage methods, for the favor of hauling it away, or certainly for
> very cheap. For example, a number of police depts used to use them & may
> be selling them, as well as a number of other offices that had volumes of
> records to store for a long time.
>
> - Anyway, Tex's had a couple of spindles -- one off to the left & one to
> the right of the small screen, and used a simple hand-crank. He used it to
> review & transcribe MANY ROLLS of Civil War records, as one of the many
> volunteers around the country who helped do that for the nation-wide
> project of transcribing all of them.
>
> - If you buy a reader, be darned sure that you can get extra bulbs for
it.
> Some readers, I have been told, have some particularly strange bulbs that
> are hard to come by. One branch library I visited in West L.A. had one
> microfilm-reader just gathering dust, but it could not be used by the
> library patrons since its bulb was burned out, and they had not been able
> to find a replacement bulb anywhere!!
>
> - There is a product now available called ImageMouse, which is a
> mouse-shaped gizmo, which I think attaches by a cord to your computer for
> reading microfiche-cards & microfilm on your monitor. Then any image you
> see that you want a copy of, you can just print from your printer, and if
> you wish to save the image digitally, you can save it as whatever kind of
> image-file you wish. I just did a search on the web to refresh my memory
> about it, and if you search on "ImageMouse" you will find lots of info
> about it.
>
> - When looking at a couple of sites found in the search for info on
> ImageMouse, I noticed that there is a little picture of the type of
> microfiche/microfilm reader like Tex was using, on the lower right part of
> the initial web-page for the following company (Note: the photo is on
> their initial page, BEFORE you go to their subsidiary page that tells you
> about all the specs for ImageMouse): http://www.alliedinfotech.com/
>
> - The last & slowest other possibility of "reading microfilm" is to just
> wait for more people/companies to digitize more of the millions of rolls
of
> microfilm that are currently available, making the digital versions
> available on CDs and on the web.
>
> Barbara
>
>
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>		02/10/2001 10:12:26
RE: Microfilm readersDiana DiamondThank you, Barbara.

Thank you, Craig.

As Maynard says, I know there is a lot of "red meat" out there, and now that
I know the ways, I hope to go hunt for some.

Diana




02/12/2001 3:47:04
Frontal LobotomyTaking my computer to the shop Tuesday AM and will be off the air until, say,
Friday.

Maynard



02/19/2001 10:54:10
Poythress in Mecklenburg Va. Chancery IndexCharles NealI have none of the indicated documents & would love to have copies of all
of them. Craig, if you can indeed obtain photocopies while you are at LVA
for the March 19th meeting, I would be happy to reimburse you for the
costs of obtaining them (unless you wish to keep said copies, yourself) &
then I'll be glad to abstract/transcribe them for us all.

I can also offer the following observations after comparing the names &
time periods, to notes re Mecklenburg Co Deed Indexes and to Wills that we
have seen previously:

1) re Index Number 1808-008 re Plaintiffs Joshua Smith etc & Defendants
Hutchins Ferrell, which includes Poythress in the list of surnames: I did
not find the names Smith, Hutchins, or Ferrell in any items that had
"Poythress" (& variant spellings) in the Deed Indexes. The Hutchins name
seems very familiar to me & I cannot place why. Also I am interested to
see what tie-in the Smith name brings, since the late Betty Lawrence (of
Meridian, Mississippi) had mentioned some Smith connection in her Poythress
stuff years ago.

2) re Index Number 1820-012 re Plaintiff Lewis Poythress & Defendants
Edward Giles, Admr Etc, which includes Potress and Poythress in the list of
surnames along with Bassey, Giles, & Nance. In the Deed Indexes, I don't
see these various other names associated with any Poythress items. However,
we have previously seen the Mecklenburg Will signed on 10 March 1818 by
Edward Giles, which I will re-post tonight as an email. This chancery suit
might have been filed as a result of part of that Will's provisions, by
Lewis Poythress against the Administrator of Edward Giles estate.

3) re Index Number 1858-015 CC re Plaintiffs Jones Etc & Defendants Admr of
Harwell Etc, which includes surnames Bracey, Childress, Griffin, Harwell,
Jones, King, Pennington, Poythress, Puryear, Smith, & Wall: In the Deed
Indexes, I see that in June of 1836 there was a Mecklenburg Deed between
Grantors Grief Harwell etal and Grantee Lewis Poythress, listed as being in
Deed Book 16, beginning on p.230. This chancery suit might have been
filed as a result of something about that transaction.

4) re Index Number 1867-027 CC re Plaintiffs Everett King & Defendants
Mansfield R. Seymour Etc, which includes surnames Boyd, King, Poythress, &
Seymour: In the Deed Indexes, I don't see these various other names
associated with any Poythress items. I note, however, that the King name
here may be related to the King name in #3 above, and may furnish further
info from the same earlier tie-in.

5) re Index Number 1880-030 CC re Plaintiffs William L Portress/Poythress &
Defendants Exr of Nancy Thomas, which includes numerous surnames including
Boyd & Thomas. In the Deed Indexes, I don't see these various other names
associated with any Poythress items. I note, however, that the Boyd name
here may be related to the Boyd name in #4 above, and may furnish further
info from the same earlier tie-in, as well as being interesting due to
Lyn's earlier info re Nancy Thomas & Lucy Thomas Poythress.

6) re Index Number 1889-007 CC re Plaintiffs R P Cleaton & Defendants
Harriet Thomas Etc, which includes surnames Cleaton, Poythress, Rainey, &
Thomas: In the Deed Indexes, I see that in 1797 there was a Mecklenburg
Deed between Grantor John Cleaton & Grantee Lewis Poythress (DB 10, p.62)
and a 1799 Dower Release between Grantor Martha Cleaton & Grantee Lewis
Poythress (DB10, p.96). And I note that, more likely, the Thomas name here
may be related to the Thomas name in #5 & #6 above, and may furnish further
info from the same earlier tie-ins.

All of these should assist us in our research. Thanks, Lyn, for posting
the chancery index Poythress entries that you found.

Barbara Poythress Neal		02/20/2001 6:54:34
Edward Giles WillCharles NealWill of Edward Giles
Mecklenburg County, VA
10 Mar 1818

In the name of God Amen, I Edward Giles of Mecklenburg County and State of
Virginia doth make this my last will and testament, - It is my will and
desire that all my just debts and funeral expenses be paid from the Sale of
my Crop of Tobacco Bacon and Corn remaining on hand and after those debts
are paid it is my will and desire that all my remaining property both real
and personal be sold on twelve months credit and from the monies arising
from such Sale or Sales to be distributed as follows

Item first I give and bequeath to my Grand Daughter Milly Nance
two Hundred dollars to her and her heirs
Item second, I give and bequeath to my Grandson Edward Poythress
twenty five dollars to him and his heirs
Item third, I give and bequeath to my Grandson John Poythress one
hundred dollars to him and his heirs
Item fourth, I give and bequeath to my Grand Daughter Martha Giles
Daughter of my Daughter Betsy P. Giles two hundred dollars to
her and her heirs
Item fifth, and last after all my just Debts funeral expenses and the above

legacies are first paid it is my will and desire that the remainder of my
estate be equally divided amongst my four Living Children Jean P.
Bassey(?), John Giles, Edward Giles, and William Giles to each of
them and their heirs, given under my hand this 10th day of March,
1818, I appoint Edward Giles, Jr. and John Bassey exors to this my
last Will and Testament
Signed and sealed
his
Edward X Giles ((S))
mark
in presense of
Bushrod Webb
John Cook Sen.
his
Henry X Wartman
mark

At a court held for Mecklenburg County the 16th day of March 1818. This
Last Will and Testament of Edward Giles dec’d was presented into Court and
proved by the Oaths of the Witnesses thereto, and Ordered to be recorded,
and on the motion of Edward Giles Jr. one of the executors therein named
who made oath thusly and together with John Cook, Henry Wartman and Bushrod
Webb his securities in turn into and acknowledge their bond in the penalty
of Twenty five thousand dollars conditions as the law.

(The photocopy from which this was prepared did not extend beyond this,
however it is expected that only remaining text would be name and title of
clerk of court)		02/20/2001 6:54:34
Poythress in Mecklenburg Va. Chancery IndexLyn BairdThanks to the alert from Maynard Poythress, I visited the new chancery
court index on the Library of Virginia site at
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/state/records/chancery/index.htm. Below are the
responses I found for surname Poythress / Portress / Potress in
Mecklenburg County. To date Mecklenburg is the only published county of
the "southeastern piedmont" group. Other counties in this group include
Prince George, Dinwiddie, Lunenburg and Brunswick.

1) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
Index Number 1808-008
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: JOSHUA SMITH ETC
Defendants D1: HUTCHINS FERRELL
Surnames-
COLLIER
FERRELL
FOX
HOLMES
LARK
POYTHRESS
SMITH
TAYLOR
WRIGHT
Wills - NONE
Original Local Case Number - NONE

2) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
Index Number 1820-012
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: LEWIS POYTHRESS
Defendants D1: EDWARD GILES ADMR ETC
Surnames -
BASSEY
GILES
NANCE
POTRESS
POYTHRESS
Wills - NONE
Original Local Case Number - NONE
[My note: This Lewis Poythress is likely the widower of Elizabeth Giles,
deceased, daughter of Edward Giles.]

3) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
Index Number 1858-015 CC
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: JONES ETC
Defendants D1: ADMR OF HARWELL ETC
Surnames -
BRACEY
CHILDRESS
GRIFFIN
HARWELL
JONES
KING
PENNINGTON
POYTHRESS
PURYEAR
SMITH
WALL
Wills - NONE
Original Local Case Number - NONE

4) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
Index Number 1867-027 CC
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: EVERETT KING
Defendants D1: MANSFIELD R SEYMOUR ETC
Surnames -
BOYD
KING
POYTHRESS
SEYMOUR
Wills - NONE
Original Local Case Number - NONE

5) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
Index Number 1880-030 CC
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: WILLIAM L PORTRESS (WILLIAM L POYTHRESS)
Defendants D1: EXR OF NANCY THOMAS
Surnames -
ATKINS
BOYD
BURTON
GREGG
LEE
LOVE
PORTRESS
POYTHRESS
RIGGAN
THOMAS
THROWER
Wills - NONE
Original Local Case Number - NONE
[My note: This William L. Poythress is likely the grandson of Nancy
Thomas through her daughter, Lucy Thomas Poythress, and is likely the
grandson of Lewis Poythress.]

6) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
Index Number 1889-007 CC
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: R P CLEATON
Defendants D1: HARRIET THOMAS ETC
Surnames -
CLEATON
POYTHRESS
RAINEY
THOMAS
Wills - NONE
Original Local Case Number - 24

I do not recall having seen these records posted on the Poythress list
before. As I read the cover information on the LVa web site, these
records are currently at LVa awaiting microfilming, and "can be viewed in
the LVA Archives Research Room until microfilming is scheduled for a
locality's records." A couple of requests are offered:
1) If any of you have in your posession transcriptions of any of the
above-referenced records, please share.
2) If anyone is available to visit LVa, transcribe the above records, and
share with the list, please do so.

The full text of the cover information is repeated below.

"The Chancery Records Index is a result of archival processing projects
sponsored by the Virginia Circuit Court Records Preservation Program
(CCRP) at the Library of Virginia (LVA). Each of Virginia's 121 circuit
courts is eligible to receive a grant from the CCRP to process and index
the pre-1913 chancery records in the circuit court clerk's office. Much
of the genealogical information in chancery records after 1913 can be
found in the records of the Department of Health's Office of Vital
Records.
Grant project personnel are hired locally and trained by CCRP staff
members. The processors flat-file the papers from each case, rehouse the
papers in acid-free folders and boxes, and index pertinent information
into the database. Each case is assigned a unique Index Number comprised
of the year of final decree and a sequentially increasing 3-digit number
assigned by the processor as cases for that year are found. Once
processing and indexing are completed, the records are microfilmed, and
the reel and image numbers are added to the database. For preservation
purposes, the original records are then retired, and the microfilm
becomes the sole source of access to the records. The microfilm can be
viewed at the Library of Virginia or at the circuit court clerk's office.


"It is not always possible to process the chancery records at the circuit
court clerk's offices. In such cases the records may be transferred to
the LVA where members of the Local Records section of the Description
Services Branch will process them. The database of chancery records
processed and stored at the LVA will be posted to this Web site when
processing is complete. The originals can be viewed in the LVA Archives
Research Room until microfilming is scheduled for a locality's records.
When microfilming begins, the database will remain available but the
chancery records are closed to the public. For preservation purposes,
once microfilming is completed the originals will be retired and only the
microfilm version will be available. A copy of the film will be
available at the LVA and at the circuit court clerk's office. Each
circuit court clerk's office is the repository of only the records of
that particular locality."

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com
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Re: Poythress in Mecklenburg Va. Chancery IndexWillow Bend BooksIf y'll let me know what we have not seen before I will pull and photocopy
on my next trip to The Library of Virginia. I have a Library Board meeting
on 19 March, but my time will be very limited. I have to beat feet after
the meeting back to Maryland to give a lecture that night. Never a dull
moment where the willow bends.

C.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyn Baird"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 6:12 PM
Subject: Poythress in Mecklenburg Va. Chancery Index


> Thanks to the alert from Maynard Poythress, I visited the new chancery
> court index on the Library of Virginia site at
> http://www.lva.lib.va.us/state/records/chancery/index.htm. Below are the
> responses I found for surname Poythress / Portress / Potress in
> Mecklenburg County. To date Mecklenburg is the only published county of
> the "southeastern piedmont" group. Other counties in this group include
> Prince George, Dinwiddie, Lunenburg and Brunswick.
>
> 1) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
> Index Number 1808-008
> Plat? NO
> LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
> Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
> Image Number -
> Plaintiffs P1: JOSHUA SMITH ETC
> Defendants D1: HUTCHINS FERRELL
> Surnames-
> COLLIER
> FERRELL
> FOX
> HOLMES
> LARK
> POYTHRESS
> SMITH
> TAYLOR
> WRIGHT
> Wills - NONE
> Original Local Case Number - NONE
>
> 2) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
> Index Number 1820-012
> Plat? NO
> LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
> Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
> Image Number -
> Plaintiffs P1: LEWIS POYTHRESS
> Defendants D1: EDWARD GILES ADMR ETC
> Surnames -
> BASSEY
> GILES
> NANCE
> POTRESS
> POYTHRESS
> Wills - NONE
> Original Local Case Number - NONE
> [My note: This Lewis Poythress is likely the widower of Elizabeth Giles,
> deceased, daughter of Edward Giles.]
>
> 3) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
> Index Number 1858-015 CC
> Plat? NO
> LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
> Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
> Image Number -
> Plaintiffs P1: JONES ETC
> Defendants D1: ADMR OF HARWELL ETC
> Surnames -
> BRACEY
> CHILDRESS
> GRIFFIN
> HARWELL
> JONES
> KING
> PENNINGTON
> POYTHRESS
> PURYEAR
> SMITH
> WALL
> Wills - NONE
> Original Local Case Number - NONE
>
> 4) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
> Index Number 1867-027 CC
> Plat? NO
> LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
> Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
> Image Number -
> Plaintiffs P1: EVERETT KING
> Defendants D1: MANSFIELD R SEYMOUR ETC
> Surnames -
> BOYD
> KING
> POYTHRESS
> SEYMOUR
> Wills - NONE
> Original Local Case Number - NONE
>
> 5) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
> Index Number 1880-030 CC
> Plat? NO
> LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
> Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
> Image Number -
> Plaintiffs P1: WILLIAM L PORTRESS (WILLIAM L POYTHRESS)
> Defendants D1: EXR OF NANCY THOMAS
> Surnames -
> ATKINS
> BOYD
> BURTON
> GREGG
> LEE
> LOVE
> PORTRESS
> POYTHRESS
> RIGGAN
> THOMAS
> THROWER
> Wills - NONE
> Original Local Case Number - NONE
> [My note: This William L. Poythress is likely the grandson of Nancy
> Thomas through her daughter, Lucy Thomas Poythress, and is likely the
> grandson of Lewis Poythress.]
>
> 6) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
> Index Number 1889-007 CC
> Plat? NO
> LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
> Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
> Image Number -
> Plaintiffs P1: R P CLEATON
> Defendants D1: HARRIET THOMAS ETC
> Surnames -
> CLEATON
> POYTHRESS
> RAINEY
> THOMAS
> Wills - NONE
> Original Local Case Number - 24
>
> I do not recall having seen these records posted on the Poythress list
> before. As I read the cover information on the LVa web site, these
> records are currently at LVa awaiting microfilming, and "can be viewed in
> the LVA Archives Research Room until microfilming is scheduled for a
> locality's records." A couple of requests are offered:
> 1) If any of you have in your posession transcriptions of any of the
> above-referenced records, please share.
> 2) If anyone is available to visit LVa, transcribe the above records, and
> share with the list, please do so.
>
> The full text of the cover information is repeated below.
>
> "The Chancery Records Index is a result of archival processing projects
> sponsored by the Virginia Circuit Court Records Preservation Program
> (CCRP) at the Library of Virginia (LVA). Each of Virginia's 121 circuit
> courts is eligible to receive a grant from the CCRP to process and index
> the pre-1913 chancery records in the circuit court clerk's office. Much
> of the genealogical information in chancery records after 1913 can be
> found in the records of the Department of Health's Office of Vital
> Records.
> Grant project personnel are hired locally and trained by CCRP staff
> members. The processors flat-file the papers from each case, rehouse the
> papers in acid-free folders and boxes, and index pertinent information
> into the database. Each case is assigned a unique Index Number comprised
> of the year of final decree and a sequentially increasing 3-digit number
> assigned by the processor as cases for that year are found. Once
> processing and indexing are completed, the records are microfilmed, and
> the reel and image numbers are added to the database. For preservation
> purposes, the original records are then retired, and the microfilm
> becomes the sole source of access to the records. The microfilm can be
> viewed at the Library of Virginia or at the circuit court clerk's office.
>
>
> "It is not always possible to process the chancery records at the circuit
> court clerk's offices. In such cases the records may be transferred to
> the LVA where members of the Local Records section of the Description
> Services Branch will process them. The database of chancery records
> processed and stored at the LVA will be posted to this Web site when
> processing is complete. The originals can be viewed in the LVA Archives
> Research Room until microfilming is scheduled for a locality's records.
> When microfilming begins, the database will remain available but the
> chancery records are closed to the public. For preservation purposes,
> once microfilming is completed the originals will be retired and only the
> microfilm version will be available. A copy of the film will be
> available at the LVA and at the circuit court clerk's office. Each
> circuit court clerk's office is the repository of only the records of
> that particular locality."
>
> Best regards,
> Lyn P. Baird
> llbaird@juno.com
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>		02/20/2001 11:33:01
MEAPOcoppesMaynard:

At this point, I have no thoughts on MEAPO's parentage!!!!

Marti



02/21/2001 3:54:43
MEAPDOMarti....you say:

Hi Maynard: 
I had assumed that you knew where MEAPO was buried.  If not, she and Laban
Odom are buried in the Bethany Methodist Cemetary, Girard, Georgia.  The
tombstone says she was born Jan 26, 1798, died Oct 5, 1861 w/o Laban. 
Laban's tombstone says born Jan 22, 1790 died June 1, 1860 s/o Isaac & Celia
(per "Gravemarkers In Burke County Georgia" by Powell, Odom & Hillhouse).
 
In my correspondence with Dr. Lane, he told me he had no information on MEAPO
as to who her parents were.  If you are able to get additional information on
MEAPO from Dr. Lane, I would appreciate knowing.

Marti:

This MEAPDO lady just gets curiouser and curiouser. I just received that
tombstone
transcription from Curtis Lane via mail yesterday. The question that
immediately pops to mind is that if she was b. 1778 and m. John Dixon/Dickson
in abt 1804........then about the time of registration for the 1807 Ga. Land
Lottery she is both married and about 28 years old.....hardly qualifying her
as an "orphan of" Thomas Poythress, at least by my standards. Obviouly
however, I wasn't setting the standards and in a lot of instances those
lotteries got to be a political boondoggle so I would not rule out MEAPDO
actually being one of the "orphans of Thomas Poythress." Do you have any
supposition along this line?

Also, with a birthdate of 1778, Elizabeth becomes a much more probable
candidate for being a daughter of Thomas Poythress. And I think there is
also some significance that she is shown in the 1850 census: "b. Virginia."

But to your specific question: does Dr. Lane know any more? I think that
answer is
"probably not". Dr. Lane says in his note today that all he has came from
Martha Dixon or in letters from my mother.

Best,

Maynard		02/21/2001 5:53:33
Charles Poythress and son John Poythress 1700sDiana DiamondDoes anyone recognize these Poythresses from R. Bolling Batte Cards? They
remain unconnected to the main group.

Diana

Ancestors of John Poythress (Ahnentafel)

Generation No. 1
1. John Poythress1, born Aft. 1740. He was the son of 2. Charles Poythress
and 3. Catherine Crawforth.
Generation No. 2
2. Charles Poythress2, born Aft. 1700. He married 3. Catherine Crawforth
April 02, 1739.
3. Catherine Crawforth3, born Aft. 1700. She was the daughter of 6. Ralph
Crawforth and 7. Elizabeth Unknown.
Child of Charles Poythress and Catherine Crawforth is:
1 i. John Poythress, born Aft. 1740.

Generation No. 3
6. Ralph Crawforth, born Abt. 1680 in Lived King Williams County. He married
7. Elizabeth Unknown.
7. Elizabeth Unknown
Notes for Ralph Crawforth:
Justice King Williams County, VA 1702
Wife remarried, apparently the father of her son-in-law Henry
Anderson(husband of daughter Elizabeth) , also named Henry Anderson.

Children of Ralph Crawforth and Elizabeth Unknown are:
i. Elizabeth Crawforth, born Abt. 1700; married Henry Anderson; died Abt.
1753.
3 ii. Catherine Crawforth, born Aft. 1700; married Charles Poythress April
02, 1739.


Endnotes
1. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the
internet [http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Poythress Cards 23-24.
2. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the
internet [http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Crawford Cards 18-19,
Poythress Cards 23-24.
3. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the
internet [http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Crawford Card 15,
Poythress Cards 23,24.		02/22/2001 3:13:42
More about Charles?Diana DiamondI checked Google and the Poythress archives since I posted the earlier
query. Perhaps one of you can put this together.

I found Charles Poythress among these deeds in (20 Aug 1745) in Dinwiddie
(see below) as well as on the Poythress web site. What is interesting is
his property seems to be close to Francis Poythress's (Which One?) purchased
in 117 22 Sep 1739. Both near Butterfield swamp. As are other known
Poythresses.

http://www.ultranet.com/~deeds/Dinwiddi.txt

from the Poythress web site:
Date 20 Aug 1745
from William Gooch, Lt. Governor
to Charles Poythress
con 30Sh.
re 300a on the lower side of the Oldfield Branch of Butterwood
! swamp
loc -18137 -45746 F127 L0 P255
pt Oldfield Branch. where Francis Coleman's Land Crosses the same
ln E11N; 198P; along Francis Coleman's Line
pt Coleman's corner. Hiccory
ln E11N; 42P;
pt Lightwood Knot by the side of a small Branch between several
! trees faces Inwards
ln N11W; 200P;
pt Corner at a Lightwood Knott between several Trees chopt inwards
! in an open place on the upper side of the Beach Branch

Additionally, I found this in Poythress L-archives [Bruce
(Poythress)Porter ]
Index to Deeds Chesterfield County 1749-1912
Book K-R

pg. 468

mo/day/year Kind Grantor Grantee

1/ 1762 agmt Charles Poythress
Catherine
Crawford
[Note: Batte says they married]

ANOTHER REFERENCE
(Teresa Willis) This is the Brunswick Co library in Lawrenceville VA:

Brunswick Co. will book vol 1 pg 88

(1) 1754 Charles Poythress named in Alexander Walker's will (will book 3 pg
515)
----
This was amended:
. It *should* indicate that on p.174 of Brunswick Will Bk 3,
Charles Poythress' name is included in a huge list of names of people who
were probably purchasers of items from the estate of Alexander Walker. The
Walker estate was shown as "audited," and the audit was returned to the
court on 27 Jan 1756. [My understanding of this info comes from studying
Dr. Stephen Bradley's "Brunswick County, Virginia Will Books Volume 1, Will
Books 2 and 3, 1739-1769 and 1783-1785" which volume I feel sure is still
available. Teresa's number shown as 515 is really the 515th consecutive
entry that Bradley abstracted in his volume.]		02/22/2001 6:13:39
Re: Poythress in Mecklenburg Va. Chancery IndexLyn BairdCraig, yes, please, your kind offer is accepted. Realizing your time
will be short, I would recommend you prioritize (1) 1808-008 and (2)
1820-012. These are the earliest and most likely to contribute to most
broadly, perhaps confirming one or more relationships heretofore only
implied among Lewis, Edward, John, David and James E. Poythress. Thanks
for your willingness to help. Along with Barbara Neal, I, too, will be
happy to reimburse your copying costs.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Chancery Court Will from Batte Reading ListCharles NealI checked the Chancery Records Index at the LVA site. The Prince George
County records are not yet indexed and I could find no indication of
indexing of records from Williamsburg when it was the capital, and no
indication of indexing of records from the city of Richmond. In the
Central Piedmont area surrounding Richmond, several counties records have
been filmed, but a search on the surname Gordon didn't reveal an obvious
suit that would have included Ann Isham Gordon's will, though from just
having Crozier's abstract of the will, we have no idea of who the plaintiff
or defendant would have been in Chancery Court.

Re Benjamin:
Craig, as a matter of fact, I DO have the name occur in my line, though
not in the full "Benjamin" form. One of the sons of Algernon E Poythress
(and thus one of the grandsons of James E Poythress) was Bennie Edward
Poythress. His eldest son was Ben Edward Poythress, Jr., from whom I
photocopied and transcribed the Poythress & Preston Bible-type Family
Record, which is available at the LVA site. (He coincidentally moved to
Petersburg after growing up in Meridian, Mississippi and after WW II and
working in Wilson, NC.) Ben died 3 yrs ago.		02/25/2001 2:15:42
More about Charles Poythress & son John PoythressCharles NealDiana,

Thank you for all the intriguing info on Charles Poythress and his son John
of that 1700s era. In that time period and especially in about 1750-1800,
all tidbits we can find & piece together should help us immensely in going
back with assurance from our ancestors who lived in the early 1800s.

Thanks again so much for all your work on Batte's "reading list," which
I'll be taking with me on my next research trip.

And thanks, too, for your ongoing work on Batte's cards.

I appreciate all your work & look forward to more info, whenever any of us
can contribute it.
Barbara		02/25/2001 6:15:17
Chancery Court Will from Batte Reading ListCharles NealI'm preparing for an upcoming research trip, hoping to track down some of
the more elusive items on the Batte Reading List that Diana so graciously
listed for us in recent months here.

In making my preparations, I realized that I had earlier copied a will from
one of those volumes listed by Batte, along with the introduction & index
of the book. The volume is listed in Diana's Dec 4, 2000 message as being
Batte's #

84 Crozier, William Armstrong: Williamsburg Wills

This 77-page volume was originally published in 1906 as __Virginia County
Records__ Vol. III, by the Genealogical Assn, New York. It was reprinted
by Southern Book Co, Baltimore, 1954. Then it was re-issued by
Genealogical Publishing Co, Inc, Baltimore 1973, which was the volume I saw
at the NGS Library in Arlington, VA. I'm sure Craig could tell us if this
book may have been re-issued yet again, and may still be available in print
today.

The index only lists surnames. It does not list Poythress in the index.
Since the index does not list middle names, I don't now recall why I
happened to copy the below will, which as you will see, only has Poythress
as middle names. Probably some other researcher had graciously guided me
to the will. At any rate, this will indicates other related families.

In the introduction of the book, Crozier reminds the readers that
Williamsburg was the capital of Virginia from 1699 until 1779, when the
public records were removed to Richmond, the new capital. Williamsburg was
even earlier the seat of a District Court. With "Williamsburg being a
Chancery Court, it followed that depositions, court orders, and copies of
wills in numerous suits from various counties were deposited there; and it
is with the few records that were saved from destruction [in the 1865 great
fire in Richmond] that this volume treats."

Crozier only gave ABSTRACTS of all the wills that, when he did this work
prior to 1906, were "now on file at the Chancery Court." I would expect
this will would still be in the Chancery Court records for Williamsburg at
the Library of VA, rather than in records for Prince George Co where the
will was originally made, but I have not yet checked to see if that can be
determined at LVA's link to Chancery Court records.

>From the abbreviated way Crozier wrote this abstract, I would certainly
like to see the original will in full, to try to make more sense of it all.

On p.27 of Crozier's book is the following abstract, quoted here in full
with caps, abbreviations, punctuation, & spacing as shown in the book:

"GORDON, ANN ISHAM, Prince George Co., 16 Jan 1790. No date probate.
Elizabeth McNeill; William eldest son of late Col. Wm. Yates, and Benj.
Poythress Yates his second son; niece Mary Muir and her son Wm. Poythress
Muir and her dau. Margaret Muir; Lucy dau. of John Gordon decd.; friend
Thomas Gordon; sister Eliz. Ramsey; Eliz. Peachy. Exrs. Thomas G. Peachy,
Thomas Gordon. Wit. Eleanor Crane, Eliz. Milly Fraser, Susannah Cox."		02/25/2001 10:27:23
Re: Chancery Court Will from Batte Reading Listmediasoft----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Neal"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 5:27 PM
Subject: Chancery Court Will from Batte Reading List


> 84 Crozier, William Armstrong: Williamsburg Wills
>
> This 77-page volume was originally published in 1906 as __Virginia County
> Records__ Vol. III, by the Genealogical Assn, New York. It was reprinted
> by Southern Book Co, Baltimore, 1954. Then it was re-issued by
> Genealogical Publishing Co, Inc, Baltimore 1973, which was the volume I
saw
> at the NGS Library in Arlington, VA. I'm sure Craig could tell us if this
> book may have been re-issued yet again, and may still be available in
print
> today.

Southern Book Co, Baltimore, its successor Genealogical Publishing Co, and
then its reprint company, Clearfield company have kept the book in print. I
can not be sure that it is still in print, only that I have one on the
shelf [or did until I read BPN's next emai to me].
>
> On p.27 of Crozier's book is the following abstract, quoted here in full
> with caps, abbreviations, punctuation, & spacing as shown in the book:
>
> "GORDON, ANN ISHAM, Prince George Co., 16 Jan 1790. No date probate.
> Elizabeth McNeill; William eldest son of late Col. Wm. Yates, and Benj.
> Poythress Yates his second son; niece Mary Muir and her son Wm. Poythress
> Muir and her dau. Margaret Muir; Lucy dau. of John Gordon decd.; friend
> Thomas Gordon; sister Eliz. Ramsey; Eliz. Peachy. Exrs. Thomas G. Peachy,
> Thomas Gordon. Wit. Eleanor Crane, Eliz. Milly Fraser, Susannah Cox."
>
I find any mention of a Benjamin interesting, since none of y'll have a
Benjamin in your lines (that I am aware of anyway). What is more interesting
is the connection of a Benjamin and William, since these are both
Poythresses in Petersburg in the 1850s, both appearing from the tax records
to have come out of Prince George, but the parents of neither is know. I
asume the Peachy list here are the Flour Dew Hundred Peachy's.

C.


>
Craig R. Scott, CGRS

Willow Bend Books
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www.WillowBendBooks.com		02/25/2001 10:59:51
Try again at new adds.Good news and bad news. Bad news is my pc is in intensive care. "Good" news
is it doesn't matter if it spends another 4 weeks there. Jean came back from
R&R at our daughter's place in Houston (bedroom on main floor, lots of tile,
wide doorways.........good for wheelchair mobility) only to have Dr. keep her
out of play for an additional 4 weeks. I said to heck with it and came with
her this time. So, I'll be picking up mail in Houston for next four weeks
but won't have anything "at hand" to work with so I'll just be copying all
the P messages to a floppy and will digest them when I return.

I may also be able to sneak away to the Clayton for a day or two.

Cheers.

Maynard		02/28/2001 2:31:40
More Tips on RB Batte's cards.Charles NealThanks, Diana, for all the tips.

I'll just add one tip for those who have less computer-storage-space and
who do have paper & toner for their printer: Instead of right-clicking on
the image of each card to save it, you can also just hit "Print" and print
off a copy for yourself to study later.

Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)



03/01/2001 2:29:05
More Tips on RB Batte's cards.Diana DiamondBarbara asked me to explain again to a new list member how to use the R.
Bolling Batte genealogy collection at the LVA on the internet. This
collection, you may know, consists of 30,000 index cards that cross
reference each other for families primarily in the James River area of
Colonial Virginia and their descendants.

Those cards can then be used to find Mr. Batte's sources which are also
available among the collection heading "Source A-O" and "Source P-Z".

Anyone interested could go to the Poythress-L archives and search this
year's emails using "Batte".
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=POYTHRESS to
find my earlier e-mail.

I have discovered a few new tricks, so let me explain.

You can go directly to http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html

But when you don't have that address handy you can find the collection if
you can go to www.google.com, the search engine (I have Google as my "home"
page).

Enter R. Bolling Batte and then hit the button "I'm feeling lucky."

Once in the grouping, pick the family name you want to download. Clicking on
the family name takes you to card one. If you want a later card, you can
change the number to the far right in the web address that pops up and
change it to the number you want. Or you can wait for the first card to load
and use the space on the bottom to enter a card number.

Often for women, the family information is under the married name. To be
sure you have all the information on an individual, you need cards for a
person's parents, their spouse, their maiden and married names, and perhaps
their children's cards as well. Some people have 1 card, but some have as
many as 4.

Some cards are shuffled in a family grouping. I found Theodorick Pryor (a
Poythress descendant) as number 3 in his family grouping, when
alphabetically he should have been found him toward the end of the grouping.
Usually, however, the cards are alphabetical or nearly so.

Sometimes the children are not listed on either parent card but their cards
refer back to the parents, so my solution is to download all the cards of
family.

A reminder that not all names Batte has cards for are shown on the opening
web page. Use the names listed as you would a card catalogue at a library.

No need to save the whole web page when you reach the family of interest.
Put your cursor within a card when it loads and right click and then choose
"Save as" or "Save Image" depending on your browser.

Every browser works differently, but if you are able, it may be possible to
open a number of browser windows at once. It may depend on your own
computer's capacity and the traffic on the site.

I do a lot of work with images and I have a large computer memory capacity,
so this may or may not work for you. I open 5 browser windows and set them
to open Cards 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. (Copy the URL from the first widow and Paste it
on the next 4) After saving the first five cards, I then hit the +5 button
and wait for the next group of cards to pop up.

But this works best if you chose a slow period at the LVA digital library.
Otherwise, you may be competing with yourself and others who have figured
this out as well and totally bog down the system. Often the site is
inaccessible, so you may have to come back a few times to download the cards
you want.

Additional pointer, despite appearances, the card you download from the
first window is the same size file as the one you might download from the
enlarged card you see when you click the smaller card window.

Many cards were scanned upside down. It saves time if you use an art
program to invert the cards after they are downloaded.

Eventually, I may make a copy of the cards I have already downloaded
available to the list members in exchange for your information Poythress
ancestors (for my data base) and/or reproduction and mailing costs. If any
one is still with me and interested, please contact me.

Diana		03/01/2001 7:45:13
RE: More Tips on RB Batte's cards.Diana DiamondBarbara,

You have a good point about printing Batte's index cards.

However, I would point out most cards are 14 to 50 kb in size, which is not
large. One further advantage to saving the images is that you can use a
photo program to print the cards at various sizes. I use my ACDsee to
convert the gif format to jpeg and then save them as a scrapbook item in my
Family Tree Maker Data base. FTM doesn't accept gif.

Some of the index cards are packed with writing, and it can be hard to read
the details without magnification.

But perhaps I am just showing my age:)

My data base of Poythress descendents and related families contains now 700
people, supported by Batte cards. I mention this for those who may still be
waiting for my compilation. Somehow when I got rolling, I couldn't stop. My
hope is to have it fairly complete by the end of March. Once on a CD, this
compilation can be read by FTM without use of much hard drive space.

I may start posting some family groupings for comment in a week or two.

Diana		03/02/2001 2:49:08
Database of Poythress & relations supported by Batte cards.Charles NealDiana -

Re your "... data base of Poythress descendents and related families
contains now 700 people, supported by Batte cards. I mention this for
those who may still be waiting for my compilation. Somehow when I got
rolling, I couldn't stop. My hope is to have it fairly complete by the end
of March. Once on a CD, this compilation can be read by FTM without use of
much hard drive space.
I may start posting some family groupings for comment in a week or two."

This sounds great. Looking forward to seeing more whenever available.
Sounds like we can all learn a lot from all this work you've been applying.
We'll all applaud your work!

Barbara (BPN)		03/04/2001 3:04:31
RE: Francis Poythress, Dinwiddie Co unrec will 1796Diana DiamondThanks, Barbara. Very Interesting.

This is how R. Bolling Batte presents these members of the Poythress clan as
I have gleaned them from Batte's index cards. I have pulled from my draft
data base the following sets of Poythresses. Seems they are connected
somewhat distantly through the same Randolph family, but this Francis seems
to have confounded Batte. Sure puzzles me.

Diana


Ancestors of Mary Peterson Poythress

Generation No. 1

1. Mary Peterson Poythress, born 1763; died 1841. She was the daughter of
2. Francis Poythress and 3. Mary Peterson. She married (1) Henry Isham
Randolph. He was the son of Grief Randolph and Elizabeth Epes.

Generation No. 2

2. Francis Poythress, born in VA [?} [no parents given]. He married 3.
Mary Peterson.
3. Mary Peterson, born in VA [P-2) BD. She was the daughter of 6. John
Peterson and 7. Martha Thweatt.

Children of Francis Poythress and Mary Peterson are:
i. Francis Poythress, born in unmarried; died 1796.
1 ii. Mary Peterson Poythress, born 1763; died 1841; married Henry Isham
Randolph.


Generation No. 3

6. John Peterson, born Abt. 1695 in [(P-2) B]; died October 1773. He was
the son of 12. John Peterson. He married 7. Martha Thweatt.
7. Martha Thweatt

Children of John Peterson and Martha Thweatt are:
i. Nathaniel Peterson
ii. Martha Peterson
iii. Peter Peterson
3 iv. Mary Peterson, born in VA [P-2) BD; married Francis Poythress.
v. Francis Peterson
vi. John Peterson
vii. Peter Peterson


Generation No. 4

12. John Peterson

Child of John Peterson is:
6 i. John Peterson, born Abt. 1695 in [(P-2) B]; died October 1773;
married (1) Frances Unknown; married (2) Martha Thweatt.
----------------------------------
The only Tabithas (see CAP's)
Ancestors of Tabitha Poythress


Generation No. 1

1. TABITHA Poythress1, born 1725 in VA [(P-1) BHE]; died 1805. She was
the daughter of 2. Robert Poythress and 3. Elizabeth Unknown. She married
(1) Henry Randolph2 1742. He was born February 11, 1720/21 in [(R-2) CAC].
He was the son of Henry Randolph and Elizabeth Epes.

Generation No. 2

2. Robert Poythress, born 1690 in [(P-1) BH]; died Abt. 1745. He was the
son of 4. John Poythress and 5. Christian Peebles. He married 3. Elizabeth
Unknown.
3. Elizabeth Unknown3, born in [(P-1) BH (W)].

Children of Robert Poythress and Elizabeth Unknown are:
i. Peter Poythress, born 1715 in VA of "Branchester" [(P-1) BHA]; died
1785; married Elizabeth Bland 1756; born March 17, 1732/33 in dau of 271 [
(P-1) BGA B]; died Aft. 1791.
ii. Robert Poythress, born Aft. 1715; died January 1782 as Possible Date
iii. William Poythress
iv. Jane Poythress, born in VA [(P-1) BHD]; married John Baird; born in
Scotland [(B-3) A].
1 v. TABITHA Poythress, born 1725 in VA [(P-1) BHE]; died 1805; married
Henry Randolph 1742.
vi. Elizabeth Poythress VA [(P-1) BHF], married John Gilliam.


Generation No. 3

4. John Poythress4, born Bef. 1628 in [(P-1) B]; died Aft. 1687 in VA
Charles City ?. He was the son of 8. Captain Francis Poythress and 9. Mary
Unknown. He married 5. Christian Peebles.
5. Christian Peebles5, died in VA. She was the daughter of 10. David
Peebles and 11. Elizabeth Unknown.		03/08/2001 1:50:19
Francis Poythress, Dinwiddie Co unrec will 1796Charles NealIn the January 1972, Vol. X, Issue No.1, "Virginia Genealogical Society
Quarterly" (long out of print) is an article (pp. 3-13) entitled
"Unrecorded Wills of Dinwiddie County" which was "contributed by Mrs. E.B.
Short, Dinwiddie, Virginia 23841." The article has no introductory notes,
and no notes following the transcribed wills. Presumably these unrecorded
wills were found by Mrs. Short at the Dinwiddie County, VA Courthouse.

The following transcription is on the top of p.5 of the above-mentioned
article (with spelling, capitalization, sentence structure & punctuation as
shown in the article):

FRANCIS POYTHRESS
In the name of God Amen. I Francis Poythress being in health of
[illegible] and of a sound disposing mind but calling to mind the mortality
of my body do make and ordain this my last will and Testament in manner and
form following in primis
I give devise and bequeath unto my loving wife all my estate of every kind
that I do possess Reserving unto my Daughter Mary Peterson Randolph which I
give five shillings which said sum I give unto my daughter to her and her
heirs forever.
Item. Whereas there was a marriage contract between my wife and myself
and whereas the true intent and meaning of the said writing was that my
said wife was to enjoy and have the full and free disposal of all the
Estate of every kind that came by her without the [ ? ] or hindrance of me
and my Heirs. Now if there should be any deficiences in the said writing
so as to [illegible] my Heirs to any of the property [illegible] my wife my
will and desire is and I do hereby revoke all such claim and desire that my
wife and her Heirs should enjoy all the Estate that came by her without the
hindrance or molestation of my Heirs. In witness whereof I have hereunto
set my hand and seal this 10th Day of December Anno Dommini 1796.
Francis Poythress

Signed sealed Published and
declared in presence of
Reuben Wilkinson
Robert Reese		03/08/2001 10:02:02
Patrick Poythress, Dinwiddie Co unrec will 1818Charles NealIn the January 1972, Vol. X, Issue No.1, "Virginia Genealogical Society
Quarterly" (long out of print) is an article (pp. 3-13) entitled
"Unrecorded Wills of Dinwiddie County" which was "contributed by Mrs. E.B.
Short, Dinwiddie, Virginia 23841." The article has no introductory notes,
and no notes following the transcribed wills. Presumably these unrecorded
wills were found by Mrs. Short at the Dinwiddie County, VA Courthouse.

The following transcription is on the bottom of p.5 of the above-mentioned
article (with spelling, capitalization, sentence structure & punctuation as
shown in the article):

PATRICK POYTHRESS
I Patrick Poythress being of sound mind and lawful age, do ordain the
following to be my Last Will and Testament.
In the first place, I give unto my loving wife Elizabeth, during her
widowhood all the Estate I now have, or may hereafter have, but in case of
her marriage I then give it equally to be divided between my children. I
appoint Mr. [illegible] to be my Executor.
P. H. Poythress

Witnesses:
Archibald Epps
Arthur Johnston
M. L. Drinkard
[Note on back of this will states it was written 12 August 1818]		03/08/2001 10:02:03
Mary Poythress, Dinwiddie Co unrec will 1772Charles NealIn the January 1972, Vol. X, Issue No.1, "Virginia Genealogical Society
Quarterly" (long out of print) is an article (pp. 3-13) entitled
"Unrecorded Wills of Dinwiddie County" which was "contributed by Mrs. E.B.
Short, Dinwiddie, Virginia 23841." The article has no introductory notes,
and no notes following the transcribed wills. Presumably these unrecorded
wills were found by Mrs. Short at the Dinwiddie County, VA Courthouse.

The following transcription is on the bottom of p.4 of the above-mentioned
article (with spelling, capitalization, sentence structure & punctuation as
shown in the article):

MARY POYTHRESS
I Mary Poythress of the County of Dinwiddie being very sick and weak but
in perfect mind and memory thanks be to God; and calling to mind that all
must die and return to dust from whence they came, so make and ordain this
my last will and Testament -
I do give, devise and bequeath to my Loving Daughter Tabitha Poythress and
her heirs forever, whatever falls or belongs to me by Law, of my Dec'd
husband Edward Poythress' estate.
I do choose and appoint William FitzGarrett and my [___]ter Tabitha
Poythress Executors of this my last will and Testament.
Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and offered my seal this 21st
day of July 1772.
Mary [her mark] Poythress

Signed, sealed published and
Declared in presence of
John Cryer
Thos. Anderson
Thomas Rogers
Elizabeth Poythress		03/08/2001 10:02:05
Activity ReportMission Control from Houston back on the air. There is so much technology in
this cotton pickin' house it freaks me out. Had even managed to lose AOL and
it still comes and goes so if I drop off the radar don't be surprised..

Anyway, spent Fri. (Jean had entertainer) and Sat. (daughter's geekmeister
home) "out" so I got to hit it hard in the Clayton 9-4:30 both days. I deem
the trips to have been imminently productive. Probably with some hubris, I'll
say I think I have Clayton's Prince George stuff pumped out. However, that
was only 5 rolls of microfilm.....doesn't sound like much but they were wall
to wall Ps. And all the surrounding non-burned counties have (in the Clayton
at least) maybe couple of dozen reels each. I pray they are indexed.

1) verified for sho that there are only 4 items for us in PG deeds & wills
1759-60 for us. I think you all already have this.

2) re-tracked my way through PG Wills, Deeds, and Settlements 1713-28
(inclusive of a separate reel 1719-22). Not too many corrections and
additions but enough to be worth the effort.

3) Wills & Deeds 1737-40. You also have this one but only in small part. I
captured
a ton of additions because I was now working off the actual microfilm instead
of the copies I had the kid make for me. This is a great one.

4) Minute Book 1737-40. I don't think I have put this one up yet. It is
voluminous and has real meat. This was first time I have worked with a
minute book. They are tough to abstract because they don't follow any
particular pattern but the entries are relatively short so its easier to just
transcribe all except the really long ones. First thought: this stuff is so
harum-scarum it can't be helpful. Second thought: the further I got.....wow,
this is neat stuff even if it is sort of like shelling and picking walnuts if
you're the one doing the transcribing.

5) Court Orders 1714-20. This was first run at this one. I had deliberately
put it off. This one has about 400 pages with average of 4-5 entries per page
and the sucker is NOT indexed, as in "you gotta scan the whole thing"! Now
THAT really is picking walnuts. Started at noon Sat. and got to page 124 by
4:30 so that says I gotta find another 2 days somehow before we return to
Louisville. Orders too are a mumbo-jumbo deal. The good news is that most
of them begin "in the action of Billy Bob Smith against Bubba Jones" and that
lets you move along fairly well because you can do the rest of that
particular entry fairly quickly. Also, of great scanning help (and
probabably has been all along but I just didn't realize it) is that the
little double "s" symbol has "a presence" both "above" and "below" the line
and is therefore easy to spot as the eye runs down the line of "copy."

Anyway, all of the above is now "on paper" and all I have to do is decipher
my own handwriting and put it on a floppy that I can manipulate when I get
back to Louisville and post it for you all.

All is well. Loving the 65-70 degree days but a ton of rain.

See ya.

Maynard		03/11/2001 5:13:43
Activity ReportCharles NealMaynard,

Glad to hear you've been putting in valuable research time in Houston at
the Clayton Library. Sounds like you've done great work down there. We'll
all be looking forward to learning more. Hope you have the time available
to get thru the remaining Court Orders before flying home.

Cheers,
BPN



03/11/2001 11:12:21
RE: Lost year?Lou PooleMaynard, at that time they were still going by the "old" calendar,
when the new year didn't start until late March (somebody can give us
a better exact date). Thus, under this old system, January, February,
and most of March were still in the old, previous year. Thus January
1739 by our new calendar would have been January 1738 under the old
system. The "correct" way to record these dates (in my opinion) is to
put both years down. January 1738/39 would mean January 1738 (old
system)/39 (new system). This tells anyone who reads this that, in
fact, the old/new system of dates was considered when it was written.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com [mailto:VKRatliff@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 5:50 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Lost year?


Anybody want to field this one? I am transcribing PG Minute Book
1737-1740.
It is a well done document from an otherwise competent seeming clerk.
All of
the pages\
are numbered sequentially for the entire book. The Poythress crowd
seemed to
live in the court house as they have two or three entries per month.

The documents BEGIN in Jan, 1738 (ignoring 1737). That can be
accepted
perhaps as simply an error in the "title" of the book. The clerk
procedes
with dates and page numbers referring to them from the start as 1738
and
going month by month.

Then, when it comes time for January, 1739 the clerk dutifully starts
dating
everything as of January 1738 all over again.

Barbara Neal, you have seemed well informed on the calendar
adjustments
needed from time to time. We didn't have to repeat a year did we?
And if
not, would you (or anyone) suggest a rationale for the clerks dating?

Failing to figure this one out, I'd plan to just date all the 1739
ones as
"1739 (sic, '38?) if left to my own devices. However if there is a
protocol
would someone share it with me.

Thanks,

Maynard


==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		03/11/2001 11:13:22
Lost year?Anybody want to field this one? I am transcribing PG Minute Book 1737-1740.
It is a well done document from an otherwise competent seeming clerk. All of
the pages\
are numbered sequentially for the entire book. The Poythress crowd seemed to
live in the court house as they have two or three entries per month.

The documents BEGIN in Jan, 1738 (ignoring 1737). That can be accepted
perhaps as simply an error in the "title" of the book. The clerk procedes
with dates and page numbers referring to them from the start as 1738 and
going month by month.

Then, when it comes time for January, 1739 the clerk dutifully starts dating
everything as of January 1738 all over again.

Barbara Neal, you have seemed well informed on the calendar adjustments
needed from time to time. We didn't have to repeat a year did we? And if
not, would you (or anyone) suggest a rationale for the clerks dating?

Failing to figure this one out, I'd plan to just date all the 1739 ones as
"1739 (sic, '38?) if left to my own devices. However if there is a protocol
would someone share it with me.

Thanks,

Maynard		03/11/2001 11:50:13
Double datingDiana DiamondThe whys always seem to befuddle me. I am looking for the explanation that
once explained it to me well, but this is the Date:

January 1 to March 25 before 1752

Diana		03/11/2001 12:17:49
Re: Double datingDiana DiamondSee http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~neff/dates.htm
A segment follows.

Why Do USA Documents from the mid 1700s have Two Different Dates?


In 1752 the American Colonies switched from the Julian Calendar to the
Gregorian Calendar which required an 11-day elimination in the date.
Therefore, Wednesday, September 2, 1752 was immediately followed by
Thursday, September 14, 1752. Many people used both the Julian date and the
new Gregorian date on documents to avoid confusion until everyone was
adjusted to the change. While their consideration makes it easier for the
genealogist to adjust dates on documents, it raises a question about
calculated birth dates from newspaper death notices and tombstones.


Diana		03/11/2001 12:29:51
Re: Mary Poythress, Dinwiddie Co unrec will 1772Charles NealI appreciate Maynard's below comment about that name that popped up in the
unrecorded 1772 will of Mary Poythress in Dinwddie Co, VA that I posted the
other day, from an old published transcription done apparently in the early
1970s. What he says makes sense:

Sitting here in Houston having read "Fitzgerald" in a gazillion Poythress
PG
documents over past couple of days, I'm going to bet that if that
"Fitzgarrett" wasn't completely clear it might have been intended to be
Fitzgerald. One of those handwriting conventions of the day had the tail
end
of a "d" looping back over the line which often appears to be a "tt".
All the same, great job..		03/12/2001 1:04:58
The P-1 Family of RBBDiana Diamond#1

Here begins my posting of my compilation Francis Poythress's and Mary
Unknown Poythress Wynne's descendants as derived from the work of
genealogist R. Bolling Batte. Mary, who some--but never Batte-- would call
"Sloman", married Robert Wynne as her second husband. This draft effort
strives to unravel the index cards by R. Bolling Batte. On a few occasions,
especially where Mr. Batte is hesitant, I may supplement his work with that
of others but in those cases, I will cite the source.

I will explain some of my choices in format in a later email.

Comment is encouraged. Additions, where sources are provided, are also
welcomed. For instance, I have acquired a baptism date for Francis, but I
don't have a source, and Mr. Batte doesn't provide it or a source. Can
someone help?

Descendants of Francis Poythress


Generation No. 1

1. CAPTAIN FRANCIS1 POYTHRESS was born in Gloucester, England (P-1), and
died Bet. 1648 - 1655 in VA, Immigrated from England, there by 1633. He
married MARY UNKNOWN. She was (P-1) W, and died Aft. 1675 in VA.

Children of FRANCIS POYTHRESS and MARY UNKNOWN are:
2. i. JANE2 POYTHRESS, b. Bef. 1627, [(P-1) A]; d. VA.
3. ii. JOHN POYTHRESS, b. Bef. 1628, [(P-1) B]; d. Aft. 1694, VA Charles
City ?.
iii. THOMAS POYTHRESS, b. Bef. 1629, [(P-1) C].
4. iv. MAJ. FRANCIS POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1630, [(P-1) D]; d. Abt. 1688, VA.


Generation No. 2

2. JANE2 POYTHRESS (FRANCIS1) was born Bef. 1627 in [(P-1) A], and died in
VA. She married THOMAS ROLFE, son of JOHN ROLFE and POCHAHONTA UNNAMED.

Child of JANE POYTHRESS and THOMAS ROLFE is:
5. i. JANE3 ROLFE, b. Bef. 1660, [(P-1) AA] [B-2 (W1)]; d. 1676, VA. married
Robert Bolling.


3. JOHN2 POYTHRESS (FRANCIS1) was born Bef. 1628 in [(P-1) B], and died
Aft. 1694 in VA Charles City ?. He married CHRISTIAN PEEBLES, daughter
of DAVID PEEBLES and ELIZABETH UNKNOWN. She was born Bet. 1628 - 1667 in
Estimated dates in VA, and died Aft. 1694 in Estimated dates in VA.

Children of JOHN POYTHRESS and CHRISTIAN PEEBLES are:
6. i. JOSHUA3 POYTHRESS, b. Bef. 1689, VA of "Flower de Hundred" [(P-1)
BA]; d. 1739.
7. ii. ELIZABETH POYTHRESS, b. Bef. 1690, VA (P-1) [(P-1) BB].
iii. CHRISTIAN POYTHRESS, b. VA (P-1) [BC].
8. iv. DAVID POYTHRESS, b. VA [ [(P-1) BD]; d. Abt. 1739.
9. v. WILLIAM POYTHRESS, b. 1694, VA [(P-1) BE]; d. January 18, 1763,
Blandford, Dinwiddie County, VA.
10. vi. JOHN POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1664, VA [(P-1) BF]; d. Aft. 1726.
11. vii. PETER POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1690, VA [(P-1) BG] "Flowerdew Hundred".
12. viii. ROBERT POYTHRESS, b. 1690, [(P-1) BH]; d. Abt. 1745.


4. MAJ. FRANCIS2 POYTHRESS (FRANCIS1) was born Abt. 1630 in [(P-1) D], and
died Abt. 1688 in VA. He married REBECCA COGGIN, daughter of JOHN COGGIN
and UNKNOWN BLAND. {RB Batte had some reason to think at one point this
Rebecca had the surname Tye. However, the changes were not made to all her
cards.} She was ((P-1) D (W)], and died in VA.

Children of FRANCIS POYTHRESS and REBECCA COGGIN are:
13. i. FRANCIS3 POYTHRESS, b. Bef. 1681, VA [(P-1) DA].
14. ii. ANNE POYTHRESS, b. Bef. 1682, VA [(P-1) DB]; d. Living 1733.
15. iii. JOHN POYTHRESS, b. Bef. 1688, VA [(P-1) DC]; d. Abt. 1724.
16. iv. REBECCA POYTHRESS, b. Bef. 1683, VA [(P-1) DD].
v. THOMAS POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1683, VA [(P-1) DE].		03/12/2001 2:55:29
Re: The P-1 Family of RBBDiana Diamond#2

These are--in my draft compilation--the other children of Mary Poythress,
whose maiden name isn't discovered by R. Bolling Batte. Mr. Batte has done
less work on this branch of the family, but they are important to me because
they are related, and because they intermarried with the other side of the
family. One of my goals is to get a sense of the interaction of family
members and another is to provide a framework for research. Comment is
welcomed.


Descendants of Robert Wynne


Generation No. 1

1. COLONEL ROBERT2 WYNNE (PETER1) was born 1622 in Canterbury, Kent,
England, and died 1675. He married MARY UNKNOWN Abt. 1655. She was born in
(P-1) W, and died Aft. 1675 in VA.

Children of ROBERT WYNNE and MARY UNKNOWN are:
2. i. THOMAS3 WYNNE, b. 1657, Prince Georges County, VA; d. 1717.
ii. ROBERT WYNNE, b. Died young; d. 1675.
3. iii. JOSHUA WYNNE, d. 1715.
4. iv. MARY WYNNE.


Generation No. 2

2. THOMAS3 WYNNE (ROBERT2, PETER1) was born 1657 in Prince Georges County,
VA, and died 1717. He married (1) AGNES STITH, daughter of JOHN STITH and
JANE UNKNOWN. He married (2) UNKNOWN UNKNOWN.

Children of THOMAS WYNNE and AGNES STITH are:
5. i. THOMAS4 WYNNE.
ii. LUCY WYNNE.
iii. MARY WYNNE, m. NATHANIEL MALONE.
6. iv. ROBERT WYNNE.


3. JOSHUA3 WYNNE (ROBERT2, PETER1) died 1715. He married MARY JONES,
daughter of PETER JONES and MARTHA CRUSE.

Children of JOSHUA WYNNE and MARY JONES are:
7. i. PETER4 WYNNE, d. Abt. 1738, Prince Georges County, VA.
ii. MARY WYNNE.


4. MARY3 WYNNE (ROBERT2, PETER1) She married JOHN WOODLIEF.

Child of MARY WYNNE and JOHN WOODLIEF is:
i. GEORGE4 WOODLIEF, m. ELIZABETH WALLACE.


Generation No. 3

5. THOMAS4 WYNNE (THOMAS3, ROBERT2, PETER1) He married ANNE BOLLING,
daughter of ROBERT BOLLING and ANNE STITH. She was born in [(B-2) E].

Child of THOMAS WYNNE and ANNE BOLLING is:
i. LUCRETIA5 WYNNE, m. JOHN COX.


6. ROBERT4 WYNNE (THOMAS3, ROBERT2, PETER1) He married (1) MARTHA
JEFFERSON, daughter of THOMAS JEFFERSON and MARY BRANCH. He married (2)
MARY UNKNOWN.

Children of ROBERT WYNNE and MARTHA JEFFERSON are:
i. LUCRETIA5 WYNNE, m. JOSEPH TUCKER.
ii. MARTHA WYNNE, m. MATTHEW PARHAM; b. {a card present, but info
speculative}.
iii. ANGELICA WYNNE, m. WILLIAM RAINES.
iv. CORNELIA WYNNE, m. BENJAMIN BELL.
v. ANNE WYNNE, m. THOMAS BUTLER.


7. PETER4 WYNNE (JOSHUA3, ROBERT2, PETER1) died Abt. 1738 in Prince Georges
County, VA. He married FRANCES ANDERSON. She died 1725.

Child of PETER WYNNE and FRANCES ANDERSON is:
i. PETER5 WYNNE.		03/12/2001 3:09:51
Lost year & Double datingCharles NealThanks Lou & Diana for chiming in with the appropriate info on dates re
Maynard's questioning. Maynard, I will add the following to their good
answers, since you asked for my input. The change to calling "January 1"
the first day of the new (numberical) year began at different times in
different countries.

In the particular case of the records on the roll of microfilm you are
using, you said:

> PG Minute Book 1737-1740...
> The documents BEGIN in Jan, 1738 (ignoring 1737). That can be accepted
> perhaps as simply an error in the "title" of the book. The clerk
procedes
> with dates and page numbers referring to them from the start as 1738 and
> going month by month.
> Then, when it comes time for January, 1739 the clerk dutifully starts
dating
> everything as of January 1738 all over again.

It appears to me that the clerk probably actually began recording things in
that book later in the year of 1738 than March 25th -- perhaps copying the
entries into the just-arrived new book from loose sheets used while
awaiting delivery of the new book.

That explanation would fit for why the title of the roll says the records
start in "1737" -- under the old system of dating, which was
then-customary, those entries at the beginning of the book which are dated
between Jan 1 & Mar 24th, would have been more properly THEN-called "1737"
and you would more properly NOW call them, for example: January 1,
1737/38.

When you get to March 25, 1738 you no longer need to give a double date for
then thru December 31, 1738.

Then when the clerk, in accordance with the then-customary way of doing
dates, again lists the next day as "January 1, 1738," you NOW, for clarity,
need to put "January 1, 1738/39" and continue putting the double year until
you reach March 25th, which the clerk probably calls 1739, though your
message didn't go that far into the record to tell us.

As Diana's message said, the double-dating of the part of the year from Jan
1 thru March 24th should only be used before 1752. In the case of
this1737-1740 Minute Book for Prince George's County, VA, you'll have
double dates for each Jan 1 thru Mar 24th.

Hope this clarifies any remaining questions.
Cheers,
Barbara		03/12/2001 5:08:06
Re: Lost year & Double datingAh so.....so other than the "start" this clerk did what was entirely
logical....and I think I'll use the dates just as he recorded them.

Actually, in the matter of Minutes the dates appear to be almost irrelevant
with respect to "years" and few if any years (or even days or months) are
even stated on individual documents. One has to pick up the month by the
"annoucement" of the "start" of a particular court session (typically the
second Tuesday in each month) and dates are rarely shown in the minutes in
any context other than this "opening" announcement each month. So, if the
clerk is off even by a year as long we have verified him as "sequential" I
doubt if we can stray too far.

Thanks,

Maynard



03/12/2001 8:08:44
Re: The P-1 Family of RBBDiana Diamond#3 Some background

(P-1), as you most probably all know, is R. Bolling Batte's designation for
the Poythress family. There are other families that get P-2, P-3, etc.
Batte also uses P to number his publications, but that shouldn't confuse you
too much.

My goal is a trial compilation of the descendants of Francis Poythress and
Mary, plus those of Mary and Robert Wynne, as they appear in the work of Mr.
Batte. I only stray to other sources at this point in my work when those
sources are solid, they move the project along, and where Mr. Batte was
imprecise or confusing. This occurs infrequently.

For me, this has been an exercise in understanding the relationship of many
families of my personal tree. My primary goal has been to sort out the
relationships and to attach the right index cards to each person and family.

It is my hope that others can use the results for that purpose, but I would
also hope that those searching for a connection to this family may get clues
from their cousins of a similar time period.

As it works out, I have taken a rather ambitious suggestion from Maynard to
include a good bit of family information about the Epes (E-1), the Blands
(B-1), the Bollings (B-2) the Randolphs, both (R-1) and (R-2), among
others. The Battes, the family of the genealogist (who is a Francis
Poythress descendant), are at times simply assigned numbers. However, the
Battes after three generations often start getting letters as well as
numbers. R. Bolling Batte is himself 148 317 521, but as a descendant of Amy
Batte, my grandmother is 134 AEA CBA B. Each letter or number refers to the
place in the family order in a particular generation. By counting the
digits of letters, you can determine the number of generations. The space
between three digits/letters is there only to help the reader.

I am reminded in reviewing the frequent intermarriage of cousins during the
Colonial period that Mendel and Darwin and all our current attitudes toward
genetics have their genesis in the 19th Century. So far my software has
managed to handle the loops from one intermarriage to the next, but the
family is quite full of such loops. Not only that, it was quite common for
siblings of one family group to marry several times into the sibling group
of another family.

In Batte's trial chart A he used numbers for the Poythress family, but it's
clear from looking at thousands of cards that his preference in later years
was the letter system. It is helpful particularly where children in the
families exceeded 9 in number. It is sometimes tricky as my sense of the
alphabetical order isn't as developed as my sense of number.

My data base strives to contain descendants mentioned by Batte primarily of
the 17th and 18th Centuries, and into the 19th Century. A few stray into the
20th Century.

Diana		03/13/2001 4:35:02
Re: The P-1 Family of RBBDiana Diamond#4 Joshua Poythress [(P-1) BA] Generations 1 & 2 Draft Compilation

Descendants of Joshua Poythress

Generation No. 1

1. JOSHUA3 POYTHRESS (JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born Bef. 1689 in VA of "Flower
de Hundred" [(P-1) BA] Also of "High Peaks", and died 1739 in Prince
Georges County VA. He married MARY HARDYMAN, daughter of JOHN HARDYMAN and
MARY EPES. She was born in [Her name speculative? First Only? See Chart A
and Poythress Card 96].

Children of JOSHUA POYTHRESS and MARY HARDYMAN are:
2. i. JOSHUA4 POYTHRESS, b. 1720, VA [(P-1) BAA]; d. Bef. 1782.
ii. LITTLEBURY POYTHRESS, b. VA [(P-1) BAB] died without issue.
iii. WILLIAM POYTHRESS, b. Aft. 1718, VA [(P-1) BAC] no issue; d. Aft.
1779.
3. iv. ANN POYTHRESS, b. VA [(P-1) BAD].
4. v. ELIZABETH POYTHRESS, b. 1725, VA [(P-1) BAE] [no issue]; d. 1795.
5. vi. MARY POYTHRESS, b. VA [(P-1)BAF]; d. January 25, 1792, "High Peak"
Prince Georges County, VA.


Generation No. 2

2. JOSHUA4 POYTHRESS (JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born 1720 in VA [(P-1)
BAA], and died Bef. 1782. He married MARY SHORT, daughter of WILLIAM SHORT
and MARY UNKNOWN. She was born in VA [(P-1) BAA (W)], and died February
1788 in Prince Georges County, VA.

Children of JOSHUA POYTHRESS and MARY SHORT are:
6. i. JOSHUA5 POYTHRESS, b. 1751, VA [(P-1) BAA A]; d. 1787, at "Flowerdew
Hundred" Prince George County VA.
7. ii. WILLIAM POYTHRESS, b. Bef. 1765, VA [(P-1) BAA B].
8. iii. ELIZABETH POYTHRESS, b. 1755, VA [(P-1) BAA C][142 AAB C].
9. iv. SUSANNA (SUSAN ANN) POYTHRESS, b. 1766, VA [(P-1) BAA D]; d. 1799,
Blandford, Virginia.


3. ANN4 POYTHRESS (JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born in VA [(P-1) BAD].
She married JOHN WALL. He was born in VA [(P-1) BAD (H)].

Children of ANN POYTHRESS and JOHN WALL are:
i. NANCY5 WALL, b. {Dorman source}.
ii. ANN WALL, b. {Dorman source}.
iii. JOHN WALL, b. {Dorman source}.


4. ELIZABETH4 POYTHRESS (JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born 1725 in VA
[(P-1) BAE] [no issue], and died 1795. She married (1) WALTER BOYD. He was
born in VA, and died November 18, 1770 in Blandford, Virginia. She married
(2) JAMES MILLS September 1771. He was born April 04, 1718 in VA of
Urbanna, Middlesex, earlier of Rappahanock, and died Bef. January 28, 1782
in Middlesex County. She married (3) THOMAS G. PEACHY September 22, 1783,
son of SAMUEL PEACHY and WINIFRED GRIFFIN. He was born December 13, 1734,
and died in Williamsburg, VA.

Children of ELIZABETH POYTHRESS and THOMAS PEACHY are:
i. THOMAS GRIFFIN5 PEACHY, b. VA [(Step[(P-1) BAE A]; Stepchild.
ii. JOHN PEACHY, b. VA [(Step[(P-1) BAE B ]No issue; Stepchild.
iii. WILLIAM SAMUEL PEACHY, b. VA [(Step[(P-1) BAE C]No issue; Stepchild.


5. MARY4 POYTHRESS (JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born in VA [(P-1)BAF],
and died January 25, 1792 in "High Peak" Prince Georges County, VA. She
married PETER EPES Abt. 1752, son of FRANCIS EPES and SARAH HAMLIN. He was
born 1730 in VA of "High Peaks"(E-1) 122 13, and died 1811.

Children of MARY POYTHRESS and PETER EPES are:
i. WILLIAM5 EPES, b. VA [(P-1)BAF A]; m. MARY BATTE; b. [Batte 142 34].
ii. FRANCIS EPES, b. VA [(P-1)BAF B]; m. SARAH WILLIAMS.
iii. PETER EPES, b. VA [(P-1)BAF C]; m. (1) REBECCA CROSS; m. (2) MARGARET
BAKER COWAN.
iv. ANN ELIZABETH EPES, b. VA [(P-1)BAF D]; m. (1) CHARLES CONNOR; m. (2)
UNKNOWN HARRIS; m. (3) UNKNOWN BYERS.
10. v. RICHARD EPES, b. August 13, 1771, VA "Walnut Hill"[(P-1) BAF E]; d.
March 24, 1829.
vi. SARAH EPES, b. VA [(P-1)BAF F]; m. ISAAC OLIVER.
vii. SUSANNA EPES, b. VA [(P-1)BAF G]; m. JOHN EPES; b. [(E-1) 113 231].
11. viii. MARY ELIZABETH POYTHRESS EPES, b. VA [(P-1) BAF H].
ix. MARTHA EPES, b. VA [(P-1)BAF H].		03/14/2001 1:51:32
Re: The P-1 Family of RBBDiana Diamond# 5 Joshua Poythress Generations 3 Draft compilation

Generation No. 3

6. JOSHUA5 POYTHRESS (JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born 1751 in
VA [(P-1) BAA A], and died 1787 in at "Flowerdew Hundred" Prince George
County VA. He married ELIZABETH ROBERTSON 1780, daughter of ARCHIBALD
ROBERTSON and ELIZABETH FITZGERALD. She was born in VA [(P-1) BBC E] [BAA
A (W)], and died September 07, 1787.

Children of JOSHUA POYTHRESS and ELIZABETH ROBERTSON are:
i. ELIZABETH6 POYTHRESS, d. 1800.
ii. MARY POYTHRESS.
iii. SUSANNA PEACHY POYTHRESS, b. 1785, VA [(P-1) BAA AA]; d. 1815, [before
1850 also given] "Flowerdew Hundred," PG, VA; m. JOHN VAUGHAN WILLCOX, 1804;
b. August 11, 1779; d. November 23, 1863.


7. WILLIAM5 POYTHRESS (JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born Bef.
1765 in VA [(P-1) BAA B]. He married MARY GILLIAM, daughter of JOHN GILLIAM
and JANE HENRY. She was born in VA [BAA B (W)].

Children of WILLIAM POYTHRESS and MARY GILLIAM are:
i. JOSHUA6 POYTHRESS, b. 1784, [BAA BA]; d. Aft. 1854, probably in New
Jersey; m. JANE MILLS ANGUS, 1810.
ii. THOMAS EPPES POYTHRESS, b. 1800; d. 1847; m. BEERSHEEBA BRYANT.
iii. WILLIAM POYTHRESS, b. No issue.
iv. PATRICK HENRY POYTHRESS, b. [(P-1) BAA BD]; d. 1822; m. MARY ELIZABETH
EPPES; b. 1795.
v. MARY POYTHRESS, b. 1793.


8. ELIZABETH5 POYTHRESS (JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born 1755
in VA [(P-1) BAA C][142 AAB C]. She married (1) SIMON FRASER. He was born
in Scotland [(P-1) BAA C (H)], and died 1792. She married (2) JAMES COCKE,
son of BENJAMIN COCKE and UNKNOWN UNKNOWN. He was born in [(C-9) BCB A "Bon
Accord", and died 1787 in [?].

Children of ELIZABETH POYTHRESS and SIMON FRASER are:
i. JANET C6 FRASER, b. VA [(P-1) BAA CA]; m. (1) ROBERT BLUNT; m. (2)
AUGUSTINE CLAIBORNE.
ii. MARY DONALD FRASER, b. VA [(P-1) BAA CB]; m. (1) JOHN RANDOLPH; m. (2)
DANIEL WELDON; m. (3) SAMUEL BLUNT.
iii. JOSHUA FRASER, b. VA [(P-1) BAA CC].
iv. ANGUS MACDONALD FRASER, b. VA [(P-1) BAA CD].
v. ANN LOUGHTON FRASER, b. VA [(P-1) BAA CE].
vi. ELIZABETH MILLS FRASER, b. VA [(P-1) BAA CF]; m. RYLAND RANDOLPH, Abt.
1794; b. Abt. 1764, VA ((R-1) 516].


Children of ELIZABETH POYTHRESS and JAMES COCKE are:
vii. JAMES6 COCKE.
viii. ELIZABETH COCKE, b. VA [(C-9) BCB AB]VA [(P-1) BAA CB][142 AAB CB];
m. JACOB HOFFMAN; b. lived in Baltimore, MD.
ix. JOHN POYTHRESS COCKE, m. ELIZABETH BUCHANAN PETER.
x. THOMAS POYTHRESS COCKE, b. July 31, 1774; d. February 22, 1840, lived in
Aberdeen; m. SARAH COLLEY, 1810.
xi. BENJAMIN COCKE, m. MARY EPES.


9. SUSANNA (SUSAN ANN)5 POYTHRESS (JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was
born 1766 in VA [(P-1) BAA D], and died 1799 in Blandford, Virginia. She
married DAVID MAITLAND October 25, 1788 in Prince Georges County, VA, son of
DAVID MAITLAND and MARY CURRIE. He was born 1759 in Barcaple, Scotland, and
died May 18, 1838 in Barcaple in Scotland.

Children of SUSANNA POYTHRESS and DAVID MAITLAND are:
i. ELIZABETH AGNES6 MAITLAND, b. April 23, 1793; d. 1865, Scotland,
probably.
ii. MARIE CURRIE MAITLAND, b. December 12, 1790; d. January 27, 1794, D.
young.
iii. SUSAN POYTHRESS MAITLAND, b. October 23, 1798; d. May 20, 1840, At
Fludha, Scotland.


10. RICHARD5 EPES (MARY4 POYTHRESS, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born
August 13, 1771 in VA "Walnut Hill"[(P-1) BAF E], and died March 24, 1829.
He married MARTHA GREENHILL WILLIAMS, daughter of THOMAS WILLIAMS and
CATHERINE GREENHILL.

Children of RICHARD EPES and MARTHA WILLIAMS are:
i. PETER6 EPES, b. VA [(P-1) BAF DA]; m. MARTHA COSWELL OLIVER.
ii. RICHARD EPES, b. VA [(P-1) BAF DB].
iii. WILLIAM EPES, b. VA [(P-1) BAF DC]; m. LUCY JANE EPES.
iv. RICHARD FRANCES EPES, b. VA [(P-1) BAF DD].
v. MARTHA ANN EPES, b. VA [(P-1) BAF DE] died young.
vi. MARY ELIZABETH EPES, b. VA [(P-1) BAF DF]; m. LEWELLYN ARCHER JONES.
vii. CATHERINE GREENHILL EPES, b. VA [(P-1) BAF DG]; m. PETER J. GRIGG.
viii. SARAH ROPER EPES, b. VA [(P-1) BAF DH]; m. LITTLETON LEWELLYN TAYLOR.
ix. MARTHA ANN EPES, b. VA [(P-1) BAF DI]; m. WILLIAM THOMAS JOLLY.


11. MARY ELIZABETH POYTHRESS5 EPES (MARY4 POYTHRESS, JOSHUA3, JOHN2,
FRANCIS1) was born in VA [(P-1) BAF H]. She married JOHN DOSWELL, son of
THOMAS DOSWELL and REBECCA DRUMMOND. He was born 1744 in BAF HA, and died
1820.

Children of MARY EPES and JOHN DOSWELL are:
i. JOHN PEYTON6 DOSWELL, b. 1787, [[P-1) BAF HA]; d. 1820; m. POCAHANTAS
REBECCA CABELL.
ii. FRANCES SUSAN DOSWELL, b. VA [(P-1) BAF HB]; m. (1) HENRY STANARD
BEVERLY; m. (2) FRANCES WASHINGTON EPES; b. [(E-1) 122 134 2].
iii. MARY EPES POYTHRESS DOSWELL, b. VA [(P-1) BAF HC]; m. DAVID GREENHILL
WILLIAMS.
iv. SARAH EPES DOSWELL, b. VA [(P-1) BAF HD]; m. BENJAMIN WILLIAM CABELL.
v. MARTHA DOSWELL, b. VA [(P-1) BAF HE]; m. COLIN BUCKNER.		03/14/2001 1:51:34
request for reposting Mary Poythress, Dinwiddie Co unrec will 1772Charles NealThe request of "I must have missed it. Could you please repost the will?
Thank you." from Sallymell reminds me to mention to everyone on the List
that you can check for any messages you've missed in the List's Archives.
There are two places to check, where ALL the lists' messages are archived:

(1) http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl
[Note: the ending of that is "PL" as in the word "place" - not a number]
After you get to that page, you type into the box the name of whatever List
you are wanting to search; in this case you would type "Poythress" but you
can use that same address to search on any name you can think of & if that
family name has an email list, you can read their archived messages, too.

(2) you can also check the Threaded List Archives, at:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/
[and again put in Poythress to check the messages of our List]

= = = =
In the January 1972, Vol. X, Issue No.1, "Virginia Genealogical Society
Quarterly" (long out of print) is an article (pp. 3-13) entitled
"Unrecorded Wills of Dinwiddie County" which was "contributed by Mrs. E.B.
Short, Dinwiddie, Virginia 23841." The article has no introductory notes,
and no notes following the transcribed wills. Presumably these unrecorded
wills were found by Mrs. Short at the Dinwiddie County, VA Courthouse.

The following transcription is on the bottom of p.4 of the above-mentioned
article (with spelling, capitalization, sentence structure & punctuation as
shown in the article):

MARY POYTHRESS
I Mary Poythress of the County of Dinwiddie being very sick and weak but
in perfect mind and memory thanks be to God; and calling to mind that all
must die and return to dust from whence they came, so make and ordain this
my last will and Testament -
I do give, devise and bequeath to my Loving Daughter Tabitha Poythress and
her heirs forever, whatever falls or belongs to me by Law, of my Dec'd
husband Edward Poythress' estate.
I do choose and appoint William FitzGarrett and my [___]ter Tabitha
Poythress Executors of this my last will and Testament.
Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and offered my seal this 21st
day of July 1772.
Mary [her mark] Poythress

Signed, sealed published and
Declared in presence of
John Cryer
Thos. Anderson
Thomas Rogers
Elizabeth Poythress








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Re: The P-1 Family of RBBDiana Diamond# 6 Joshua Poythress Generations continued and completed for now

I have labeled the emails the same in this project so they will all come up
together in the threaded version of the archives...But Barbara and others
should be aware that some of the archives are down now as part of Rootsweb
work on its servers throughout its system.

Descendants of Joshua Draft Compilation Generations 4-6

Comments and corrections are welcomed.

Generation No. 4

12. SUSANNA PEACHY6 POYTHRESS (JOSHUA5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1)
was born 1785 in VA [(P-1) BAA AA], and died 1815 in [before 1850 also
given] "Flowerdew Hundred," PG, VA. She married JOHN VAUGHAN WILLCOX 1804,
son of UNKNOWN WILLCOX and HANNAH UNKNOWN. He was born August 11, 1779, and
died November 23, 1863.

Children of SUSANNA POYTHRESS and JOHN WILLCOX are:
18. i. JOHN7 WILLCOX, b. 1805, [(P-1) BAA AAA]; d. 1857, drowned.
ii. ELIZA WILLCOX.
iii. WILLIAM WILLCOX.
iv. SUSAN WILLCOX.


13. JOSHUA6 POYTHRESS (WILLIAM5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was
born 1784 in [BAA BA], and died Aft. 1854 in probably in New Jersey. He
married JANE MILLS ANGUS 1810, daughter of JOHN MILLS and LUCY WORTHAM.

Child of JOSHUA POYTHRESS and JANE ANGUS is:
19. i. NANCY G. D.7 POYTHRESS, b. {BAA BAA}.


14. THOMAS EPPES6 POYTHRESS (WILLIAM5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1)
was born 1800, and died 1847. He married BEERSHEEBA BRYANT.

Child of THOMAS POYTHRESS and BEERSHEEBA BRYANT is:
i. CAROLINE7 POYTHRESS, b. 1817; d. October 01, 1824.


15. PATRICK HENRY6 POYTHRESS (WILLIAM5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1)
was born in [(P-1) BAA BD], and died 1822. He married MARY ELIZABETH EPPES,
daughter of PETERSON EPES. She was born 1795.

Children of PATRICK POYTHRESS and MARY EPPES are:
20. i. WILLIAM PETERSON7 POYTHRESS, b. 1810, [(P-1) BAA BDA]; d. 1862,
Nassau, BWI.
ii. MARY POYTHRESS, b. [(P-1) BAA BDB].
iii. A.H. POYTHRESS, b. [(P-1) BAA BDC] unmarried.
iv. THOMAS EPPES POYTHRESS, b. [(P-1) BAA BDD]; d. 1847.


16. ELIZABETH MILLS6 FRASER (ELIZABETH5 POYTHRESS, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2,
FRANCIS1) was born in VA [(P-1) BAA CF]. She married RYLAND RANDOLPH Abt.
1794, son of RICHARD RANDOLPH and ANNE MEADE. He was born Abt. 1764 in VA
((R-1) 516].

Child of ELIZABETH FRASER and RYLAND RANDOLPH is:
i. RICHARD RYLAND7 RANDOLPH, b. VA [(P-1) BAA CFA].


17. THOMAS POYTHRESS6 COCKE (ELIZABETH5 POYTHRESS, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2,
FRANCIS1) was born July 31, 1774, and died February 22, 1840 in lived in
Aberdeen. He married SARAH COLLEY 1810.

Children of THOMAS COCKE and SARAH COLLEY are:
21. i. NATHANIEL COLLEY7 COCKE, b. C-9 bcb ada.
ii. MARTHA COCKE, m. JAMES COCKE.


Generation No. 5

18. JOHN7 WILLCOX (SUSANNA PEACHY6 POYTHRESS, JOSHUA5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3,
JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born 1805 in [(P-1) BAA AAA], and died 1857 in drowned.
He married MARY JANE MCGOWAN October 20, 1834 in Petersburg, VA, daughter of
WILLIAM MCGOWAN and MARGARET PHELAN. She was born September 05, 1817, and
died September 16, 1892 in Petersburg, VA.

Children of JOHN WILLCOX and MARY MCGOWAN are:
i. JOHN VAUGHAN8 WILLCOX, b. unmarried; d. 1869, Drowned.
ii. ELIZA WILLCOX.
iii. WILLIAM WILLCOX, b. January 19, 1843, "Flower de Hundred" Prince
George County, VA; d. April 28, 1882, no issue Married maybe to Susan
Ruffin.
iv. SUSAN WILLCOX, b. unmarried.
v. ROBERT BOLLING WILLCOX, b. October 06, 1847; d. December 09, 1914; m.
MARTHA T. DODSON, 1869; d. 1923, Petersburg, VA.


19. NANCY G. D.7 POYTHRESS (JOSHUA6, WILLIAM5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2,
FRANCIS1) was born in {BAA BAA}. She married (1) ROBERT CARTER HARRISON,
son of COLLIER HARRISON and BEERSHEEBA BRYANT. He was born in [BAA BAA
(H)]. She married (2) JOHN CRANE.

Children of NANCY POYTHRESS and ROBERT HARRISON are:
i. JANE ANGUS8 HARRISON, b. died unmarried.
ii. ROBERT COLLIER HARRISON, b. VA [(P-1) BAA BAA B]; m. JANE DEHART
RANDOLPH; b. VA (R-1) 313 bf.
iii. MAITLAND HARRISON.


20. WILLIAM PETERSON7 POYTHRESS (PATRICK HENRY6, WILLIAM5, JOSHUA4,
JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born 1810 in [(P-1) BAA BDA], and died 1862 in
Nassau, BWI. He married CHARLOTTE REED, daughter of ELIAS REED and SARAH
BLOCK. She was born June 06, 1825, and died June 24, 1897 in Richmond, VA.

Children of WILLIAM POYTHRESS and CHARLOTTE REED are:
i. MARY8 POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1845; d. d. inf..
ii. PATRICK HENRY POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1846; d. 1863, d.y..
22. iii. WILLIAM POWHATAN POYTHRESS, b. November 24, 1847; d. 1920.
iv. SARAH REED POYTHRESS, b. February 09, 1852.
v. WALTER EPPES POYTHRESS, b. August 20, 1861; d. 1888; m. MARIE JOSEPHINE
BROUSE.


21. NATHANIEL COLLEY7 COCKE (THOMAS POYTHRESS6, ELIZABETH5 POYTHRESS,
JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born in C-9 bcb ada. He married
VIRGINIA ANN PETERSON.

Children of NATHANIEL COCKE and VIRGINIA PETERSON are:
i. MARY HERBERT8 COCKE.
ii. JOHN JAMES COCKE.
iii. SARAH COLLEY COCKE.
iv. ANNE HAYES COCKE.
v. VIRGINIA PETERSON COCKE.
vi. ELIZABETH COCKE.
vii. NATHANIELCOLLEY COCKE.
viii. THOMAS COCKE.
ix. CHARLES HARRISON COCKE.


Generation No. 6

22. WILLIAM POWHATAN8 POYTHRESS (WILLIAM PETERSON7, PATRICK HENRY6,
WILLIAM5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born November 24, 1847, and
died 1920. He married LOUISA CAMPBELL MAYO, daughter of JOHN MAYO and MARY
CAMPBELL.

Children of WILLIAM POYTHRESS and LOUISA MAYO are:
i. CHARLOTTE REED9 POYTHRESS, b. 1880, A; d. 1880.
ii. CHARLOTTE REED POYTHRESS, b. 1881, B; d. 1906.		03/15/2001 3:39:30
Re: The P-1 Family of RBBDiana Diamond# 7 The other families and their codes for genealogist R. Bolling Batte.

The Poythress family intersects with many of the early families of Virginia.
One of the intimidating things I first encountered on the Batte cards were
the codes. I have teased some of the secrets out of the cards. What
interested me about the following list is the number of Cocke families, to
mention only one example (Randolphs began as two distinct families). The
Poythresses, being a dominant group in R. Bolling Batte universe, often
became the key code of many other surname groups.

Please also use this list to see if you are missing family information
available at-- http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html

For many of the other codes see the links in the Sources at the bottom of
the long list on the web page above.

Diana


A
Archer A-1
Anderson A-2
Armistead A-3
B
(Battes)
Batte John 1
Batte Sarah 135
Batte Sarah 147
Batte Thomas 13
Batte Thomas 131
Batte William 12
Batte William 148
Batte William 2
Batte, Amy 134
Batte, Ann 146
Batte, Dorothy (Baugh) 133
Batte, Elizabeth (Horton 12
Batte, Elizabeth (Ligon) 143
Batte, Henry 12
Batte, Henry 141
Batte, John 11
Batte, Martha 15
Batte, Martha (Jones) 133
Batte, Martha (Mallory) 1
Batte, Rachel (Parham) 145
Batte. Martha 144
Other Bs
Bland, Theodorick B-1
Bolling, Robert B-2
Baird, John B-3
Bassett, William B-4
Burwell, Lewis B-5
Booker, Edward B-6
C
Chappell, Thomas C-1
Calvert, Cornelius C-2
Claiborne, William C-3
Cary, Miles C-4
Carter (Corotoman), John C-5
Cocke, Richard C-6
Custis, Edmund C-7
Collier, William C-8
Cocke, Thomas C-9 A
Cocke, William C-9 B
Cocke, Walter C-9 C
Cocke, Christopher C-9 DA
Cocke, William "Secretary" C-10
D
Drummond, John D-1
Digges, Edward D-2
E
Epes/Eppes, Francis E-1
Eggleston, Richard E-2
F
Feild, Theophilus F-1
Friend, Thomas F-2
French, Unknown F-3
G
Gilliam, William G-1
Green, George G-2
Goode, John G-3
Greenhill, Paschal G-4
H
Hinton, John H-1
Harrison, Solomon H-2
Hamlin, Stephen H-3
Harrison, Benjamin H-4
I
Irby, Edmund I-1
J
Jones, Samuel J-1
Jones, James J-2
Jones, (Warwick) J-3
Jones, Peter J-4
Unassigned J-5
Unassigned J-6
Jones, Robert J-7
Unassigned J-8
Jefferson, Thomas J-9
L
Lee, Richard L-1
N
Newton, George N-1
Nelson, Thomas N-2
P
Poythress, Francis P-1
Peterson, John P-2
Page, Francis P-3
R
Randolph, William "Turkey I." R-1
Randolph, Henry R-2
Ravenscroft, Samuel R-3
Robertson, Rev. George R-4
Robertson, Archibald of PG R-5
S
Stith, John S-1
Stratton, Edward S-2
Shippey, Thomas S-3
Stuart, Archibald S-4
T
Unassigned T-1
Thorowgood, Adam T-2
Turnbull, Robert T-3
Todd, Thomas T-4
W
Exists, but unknown		03/16/2001 4:27:31
Re: The P-1 Family of RBBDiana DiamondResponse to a question about the Wall children

The children of John Wall (Dorman leaves a scintilla of doubt even about him
as the father) and Ann, daughter of Joshua Poythress, are in fact Nancy,
William, and John Wall, according to Dorman. Nancy is sometimes a nickname
for Ann, but I wasn't being clever. I was just wrong. My database contains
the index cards to support other families and family members one by one. I
am hopeful by reviewing each person 2 or 3 times I can catch mistakes, but I
appreciate all the help I can get.

Thanks for the correction. Dorman in his first volume on Francis Epes I
descendants uses "The Walls of Walltown" as his source, one I am sure you
know well.

As to the dates, there are some inconsistencies between the so-called Chart
A and the index cards. I have at times chosen to take the index cards over
the chart. One thing this project has given me is a sense of how very hard
it is to establish exact dates for people when their very existence is being
extrapolated from wills and deeds in many cases. Batte often uses "s.t."
before dates. Can someone help me with a meaning for that one?

And thanks for the encouragement. I once wrote a wiseacre email to this
list about how many descendants Francis Epes probably has. Now I know for
sure. A lot! But with so much intermarriage among kissing cousins
probably fewer than I first thought!

Diana

-----Original Message-----
From: SteveW602@aol.com [mailto:SteveW602@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 1:21 PM
To: DiamondDPC@erols.com
Subject: Re: The P-1 Family of RBB


I am following your lists as best I can and so far find only minor
disagreements with dates, most of which I pulled from the chart. Thanks for
the great work!!

One question: When you qutoe "Dorman source" for the children of Ann P and
John Wall, what source are you referring to? The reason I ask is that you
show an Ann Wall I didn't know about...

Steve Wall		03/18/2001 9:21:34
PG County Court MinutesEven though this one only covers 3 years or less it runs 20 pages and is
chock-a-block with antiquated (or maybe not antiquated) legal terms. It
strikes me that a short glossary in the front might help most readers and I
don't have access to a law dictionary, much less a dictionary of antiquated
legal terms.

I have most of them from prior experience and from the context its not to
hard to guess 'em all but I'd prefer to be sure.

Would one or more of you shoot me some comments from your lawyer friends or
lawyer-type spouses? Thanks. (p. s. also correct my spelling if needed,
those old boys weren't exactly model pensmen).

1) Fiere Facis.....I knew this one once but forgot it.

2) ad Satisfaciedum.....as in "on the copies of the ad Satisfaciedum Award
to...."

3) Imparlance...this means granted a postponement.......as in "on motion an
Imparlance is granted till the next court."

4) Alias Copias......as in "an Alias Copias" is granted the plaintiff"....I
don't have a clue.

5) Als:Exor......as in "the plaintiff recovers etc. and 6 pence for
attorney's fee Als:Exor." I guess "execution costs of the trial" but that
one's shaky.

Many thanks,

Maynard		03/20/2001 5:12:53
PG County Court Minutes - Legal termsCharles NealMaynard, in answer to your request, I offer the following even though I am
no attorney.

Unless stated otherwise, the following spelling & definitions are from
Black's Law Dictionary, DeLuxe Fourth Edition 1951 (I am using an asterisk
to surround terms that are written in italics in the dictionary):

1) "FIERI FACIAS - Means that you cause to be made. In practice, a writ
of execution commanding the sheriff to levy and make the amount of a
judgment from the goods and chattels of the judgment debtor."

2) "AD SATISFACIENDUM - To satisfy. The emphatic words of the writ of
*capias ad satisfaciendum*, which requires the sheriff to *take* the
person of the defendant *to satisfy* the plaintiff's claim." [Bpn note:
Hark -- there is "capias" -- probably more likely than "copias" down in #4
here]

3) "IMPARLANCE - In early practice, imparlance meant time given to either
of the parties to an action to answer the pleading of the other. It thus
amounted to a continuance of the action to a further day. Literally the
term signified leave given to the parties to *talk together; i.e.,* with
a view to settling their differences amicably. But in modern practice it
denotes a time given to the defendant to plead." [Black's then quotes 3
tiny-printed long paragraphs from 3 cases, in which case law further
delineated *a general imparlance* and *a general special imparlance*
and *a special imparlance* so if you have any of those, let me know &
I'll quote you the correct paragraph(s) you need]

4) Black's didn't have the two words "Alias Copias" together (by any
spellings). Separately, it has:
"ALIAS - Latin. Otherwise; equivalent of "alias dictus" or "otherwise
called" indicating one was called by one or the other of two names
[followed by the case citation]; at another time; in another manner;
formerly."
"CAPIAS - Latin. "That you take." The general name for several species of
writs, the common characteristic of which is that they require the officer
to take the body of the defendant into custody; they are writs of
attachment or arrest. In English practice, the process on an indictment
when the person charged is not in custody, and in cases not otherwise
provided for by statute."
"COPIA - Latin. In civil and old English law. Opportunity or means of
access. In old English law. A copy. *Copia libelli*, the copy of a
libel."

I also checked Barbara Jean Evans' book, The New A to Zax: A Comprehensive
Genealogical Dictionary For Genealogists and Historians, Second Edition,
1990. I think there is a newer volume of this book available, which might
have further abbreviations. Evans shows:
"alias capias - a writ issued in another name; at some other time there was
a writ for the arrest of ___ ___"

5) Re your
> Als:Exor......as in "the plaintiff recovers etc. and 6 pence for
> attorney's fee Als:Exor." I guess "execution costs of the trial"
> but that one's shaky.

I know from Val Greenwood's book, The Researcher's Guide to American
Genealogy, that a colon ":" was frequently used when abbreviating a word,
but Black's doesn't list "ALS" per se. It doesn't list any word that I can
readily recognize this would've been the abbreviation for. And no
word/phrase is listed in the "A" section that combines "als" followed by
anything like "exor." It does list
"AL - Latin; French. At the; [or] to the. [Black's examples given were:]
*Al barre* - at the bar. *Al huis d'esglise* - at the church door."

Black's also does not list "EXOR" per se, and it lists hundreds of words
that begin with "ex." (I have personally seen just "exor" used to
abbreviate "executor.") I don't see Black's listing abbreviations for
these hundreds of words that begin with "ex" including executor, as I scan
down the pages of them. Black's lists only two words that actually begin
with "exor" which that portion could've been a literal abbreviation for, &
those two are:
- "EXORBITANT - Deviating from the normal or customary course, or going
beyond the rule of established limits of right or propriety" [followed by
the case law citation]
- "EXORDIUM - The beginning or introductory part of a speech."

So perhaps the "Als:Exor." that you ran into in the above quote was noting
that they recognized that the plaintiff's recovering and getting 6 pence
for attorney's fee was "to the exorbitant" extent, contrary to what is
normally awarded in such a case...

Evans' book shows several possibilities:
"als. - alias"
"a.l.s. - autograph letter signed"
"als. wt. - alias writ"
"exors." as an alternative abbreviation for executors, having listed
"exers." too.

Perhaps some other List member can chime in with more specific knowledge
than Black's or Evans has on #5?

Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)		03/20/2001 8:09:21
Fw: PG County Court Minutes - Legal termsmediasoft> 5) Re your
> > Als:Exor......as in "the plaintiff recovers etc. and 6 pence for
> > attorney's fee Als:Exor." I guess "execution costs of the trial"
> > but that one's shaky.
>

Als: is probably the abreviation for "and others" as in et. als., meaning
other parties to the suit.

Exor is the abbreviation for executor, the person identified by will to
administer an estate.

So my assumption is that the parties of one side of this suit are the
persons harmed by the executor who are bringing suit against the executor
and those heirs or others who are benefiting from the actions of the
executor. Of course the reverse is possible where the executor and others
are bringing suit for such a thing as payment of a debt owed the estate.

Craig		03/20/2001 8:55:56
GEDCOMs & Source InformationLyn BairdDiana and all, in February I sent the following information about my
GEDCOM experiences: "What I have not yet learned is how to create a
GEDCOM that contains source information. Or, perhaps I am getting the
source information into the GEDCOM but do not know how to get it out when
I import. Anyway, whenever I export from my FTM to GEDCOM then import
back into FTM, the source information is gone." (This was based on
attempts I had made a long while back, perhaps several years ago.) Today
I tried this again and I am pleased to let you know that I was able to
recover source information successfully. Here are the details:

I created a test .FTW file with six names, size 452 KB, in Family Tree
Maker 5.0b (17 Sep 1998), my current version. In this I created seven
master sources and uses them in several citations. In one case I applied
three sources to one fact. I included a fairly long note, about a page
of characters. For more fun, I included additional facts about one
person - baptism, burial, religion, occupation and "temple". I exported
this file to GEDCOM, which turned out to be 4 KB in size, a 100:1
reduction. I then closed the .FTW file, opened the .GED file and
imported it into a new .FTW file. All the information was recovered,
without corruption so far as I detected.

From the experience, I have some additional questions. During both
exporting and importing, I was offered some choices that I did not
understand. The choices are as follows, with default answers noted:

EXPORTING from .FTW to .GED (dialog box labeled "File type") -
-Destination: FTW (default); TempleReady; PAF; ROOTS
-GEDCOM: Version 5.5 (default); Version 4
-Character set: ANSEL; ANSI (default); IBMPC; MACINTOSH
-Indented records (not checked default)
-Abbreviated tags (checked default)

IMPORTING from .GED to .FTW (dialog box labeled "Import from GEDCOM") -
-Keep first part if location fields are too long; (selected default)
-Keep last part if location fields are too long; (not selected default)
-Delete underscore from names (checked default)
-Add spacing in location fields (checked default)
-Facts to import: NAME; BIRT; DEAT; MARR; SEX; BAPM; BURI; CONF; OCCU;
RELI; NOTE (Marriage note); NOTE (first 10 selected by default, note
fields not selected by default)

In exporting I accepted all defaults. In importing I accepted all
defaults EXCEPT that I selected all twelve fields to import, including
the notes fields. I would be very interested in receiving comments on
what each of these choices does.

One additional comment about "facts to import". The FTM fact "Temple"
was not among the twelve choices. So I assumed "Temple" would not be
recovered. I was wrong, "Temple" survived. So I do not understand the
purpose of the "Facts to import" dialog box.

Comments and guidance would be welcomed. I have not attached the
experimental files, but would be happy to send upon request.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com		03/21/2001 3:00:33
Re: GEDCOMs & Source InformationReunion, which is my gen. software, has different and much more obvious choices. Importing, you choose character set (Mac or Windows), "auto source", which I think tags each person/family with the existing source number you choose, "Auto flag", which I don't understand but seems to want to flag each entry that fits some criterion (like earliest ancestor, etc.). Then it allows you to choose whether to import ancillary info like burial, notes, etc. Exporting has choices like whether to export all data or just data you have marked, "privacy filtering", which omits emails, addresses, etc., "include sources", "destination", where you choose an ancestral file (don't know what that is) or GEDCOM 4 or GEDCOM 5.5, character set, and line length, and "submitter", which I never tried. Then you choose what ancillary data to include, just as with importing.

The use I've made of the import/export function has always worked fine, although I really haven't done the testing you have.


Steve		03/23/2001 2:40:54
Look at abbreviations carefullyPaintergot this from the March 22,2001 notation in Ancestry Daily news if you missed it. Think I have been misinterpreting N.D as North Dakota ... When it should have been N .O. for New Orleans.. Patti
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Discovering how my great uncle came from Germany to his new home in
southern Indiana was a puzzling task. He had filed a declaration of
intent giving a date of entry in 1852. But, just because other German
relatives had come through New York, I assumed he had, too. When I
looked at the DI index, I noticed the abbreviation, 'N.D.', meaning
no date--or so I thought.

But a year later, reviewing out this entry in another source, the
print made it clearer than before: this was not N.D. but 'N.O.'--in
other words, New Orleans. Now I traced his entry quickly enough in
the passenger lists and learned some extra things about his family at
the time.

It is important to look at abbreviations carefully, and consider more
than one possible interpretation. Don't let a year go by before you
glean all the information they hold!

Carol Haywood
Santa Rosa, CA		03/24/2001 1:18:08
William P. Poythress, DruggistDiana DiamondThere was some discussion a few years back (see the Archives) of a drugstore
in Richmond and a bottle found with the "Poythress" name on it.

At the S. Bassett French collection at the LVA there is an image of Mr.
French's notes on Mr. Poythress. It's a little hard to read, but I trust
Maynard or Barbara can make something out of this. The page below leads you
to an image that can be downloaded.

http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawer/disk19/CC150/0068/P0126?42

It may interest you to know that S. Bassett French is the great grandfather
of R. Bolling Batte. Be sure to read the section on Mr. French by pushing
the "help" button on this web site.


Diana		03/26/2001 3:06:50
William P. Poythress, DruggistCharles NealDiana,

Thanks for finding this reference to William P. Poythress, the druggist in
Richmond, VA. I went to the page you listed below & indeed clicked on the
"Help" button & learned more about S. Bassett French, who created the cards
as he compiled info on ~9,000 men for his intended "Annals of Prominent
Virginians."

I had no trouble reading the card on William P. Poythress, and my reading
is as follows:
Poythress, Wm. P.
Druggist
b. 18-- [apparently he didn't know when in the 1800s Wm P. P. was born] at
Richmond
d. [blank] at [blank]
Lines: 18
Sheet: 484

From that card, I gather that there is info about Wm. P. P. on 18 lines of
Sheet #484 of the S. Bassett French Collection. I can also tell from the
above card that whatever the info on that sheet is, it doesn't give us even
his birth &/or death dates, so it is rather doubtful whether the sheet will
give us names of his father or other ancestors.

Then I also clicked on the "Retrieve Doc" file. It brought up a small
image of that Sheet #484 from the S. Bassett French Collection. The
version I saw appeared slightly larger than a thumbnail, but *not* large
enough to read it; I could tell that it was a handwritten document, and it
had "DOCUMENT" stamped across it in big block letters. I saved a copy of
the gif file for the image. However, from the home page for the S Bassett
French collection, I learned that I need to use a "TIFF viewer that
supports Group IV compression" in order to view the document -- hopefully
that would allow me to see it in a larger format. I thought I had such a
viewer on this computer, but apparently the one I had used before was on
our home network instead. So now I have to wait for Charles to get home to
get to his laptop (the other part of our network) & see if I can view the
document in large enough form to be readable. If I get a more readable
version of the actual document, I'll let you know what I learn from it. Or
maybe one of our other List-Members can more readily read it...

While there at the collection, I also looked (as I'm sure you did, too) and
saw that the collection had no other Poythress cards. Then I looked thru
some of the collection's Preston cards, and found one bearing the name of
Joshua Preston. That card said that that Joshua Preston was a farmer &
Legislator; was born in Nov. 1827 at Southampton Co; and that there are 10
lines of info about him on Sheet #489. I was interested in that name
because that is the same name as the father-in-law of my
great-great-grandfather James Edward Poythress. However, "my" Joshua
Preston was born in about Sept of 1759; he served in the Revolutionary War
and he died in May of 1835. Thus I know he is not identical to the Joshua
Preston on the card in this collection.

Thanks for alerting us to this collection.
Barbara
= = =

From: "Diana Diamond"
Old-To: "Poythress List"
Subject: William P. Poythress, Druggist
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:06:50 -0500
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

There was some discussion a few years back (see the Archives) of a
drugstore in Richmond and a bottle found with the "Poythress" name on it.

At the S. Bassett French collection at the LVA there is an image of Mr.
French's notes on Mr. Poythress. It's a little hard to read, but I trust
Maynard or Barbara can make something out of this. The page below leads you
to an image that can be downloaded.

http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawer/disk19/CC150/0068/P0126?42

It may interest you to know that S. Bassett French is the great grandfather
of R. Bolling Batte. Be sure to read the section on Mr. French by pushing
the "help" button on this web site.

Diana		03/28/2001 2:39:26
Willam PoythressWillow Bend BooksConversations relating to William P. Poythress of Richmond remind me that I
continue to search for William D. Poythress born 11 July 1835 in Petersburg,
the son of Elizabeth Demoble, who died 29 January 1919 and was buried in
Blanford Cemetery on 31 January 1919. The infromant on his death certificate
is Miss Lena Hutney who resided in the same house as William at 415
Mistletoe St. William was a retired printer. White, male and widowed.

Actually I am looking for Ben the huckster of Petersburg, but I figure Bill
might be able to tell me why Joshua Poythress, one time lousy sheriff of
Prince George, sometime resident of Petersburg and a person who chose New
Jersey of all places for his final resting place would give is watch to Ben
instead of him.


For those who are anxious to know the results of my trip to the chancery
files they are being sent to BPN on Thursday. I ran out of copy capacity
(but a few more pages were allowed so two files were not done).

Meck 1880-030 CC:
Willam L. Portress (who is sometimes called William L. Poythress v. Exor of
Nancy Thomas was copied. Nancy is William's Grandmother. She died Dec 1864.
He served Co. D. 44th Battalion. I did not get to completely copy this file
and will try again next time.


Meck 1889-007 CC
Cleaton vs. Thomas.
Just states that A. J. Poythress is a neighbor and that he and others rented
land. A. J. mentions that he has a brother, but he is not named. Has to do
with 35 acres.

Meck 1867-027 CC King vs. Seymour was not done.

Meck 1858-015 CC Jones vs. Harwell

BPN will be happy to provide full transcript I am sure, but Lyn will be
interested also.

Contains list of legatees in the trust fund held by Nancy Thomas, wife of
Bennent Thomas, dec'd.

Chas. O. Thomas
Rich. Thomas
Kadijah Thomas wife of Ben Childress
Emeline Thomas wife of George W. King
Tabitha Thomas wife of John Wall
Lucy Thomas, wife of Thomas M. Poytress
Rebecca J. Thomas , Rebecca Griffis, a widow
Amanda Thomas, now Amanda King, a widow
David Thomas
Edward Thomas
Bennett Thomas
Taylor Thomas, whose interest was purchased and is now owned by the estate
of James M. Howell, dec'd and Paschal Bracy

Meck 1808-008

Johsua Smith v. Hutchins Ferrell

Looks like Medidith Poythress of Scriven County, Georgia is deposing to the
court about conversations about a slave girl and who she belonged to.

Meck 1820-012

Lewis Poythress, admr of John Poythress v. Edward Giles, admr. of Edward
Giles

Lewis is trying to get some of his legacy out of Edward



C.


Craig R. Scott, CGRS

Willow Bend Books
65 East Main Street
Westminster, MD 21157-5026
WillowBend@willowbend.net
www.WillowBendBooks.com

> 20. WILLIAM PETERSON7 POYTHRESS (PATRICK HENRY6, WILLIAM5, JOSHUA4,
> JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born 1810 in [(P-1) BAA BDA], and died 1862
in
> Nassau, BWI. He married CHARLOTTE REED, daughter of ELIAS REED and SARAH
> BLOCK. She was born June 06, 1825, and died June 24, 1897 in Richmond,
VA.
>
> Children of WILLIAM POYTHRESS and CHARLOTTE REED are:
> i. MARY8 POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1845; d. d. inf..
> ii. PATRICK HENRY POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1846; d. 1863, d.y..
> 22. iii. WILLIAM POWHATAN POYTHRESS, b. November 24, 1847; d. 1920.
> iv. SARAH REED POYTHRESS, b. February 09, 1852.
> v. WALTER EPPES POYTHRESS, b. August 20, 1861; d. 1888; m. MARIE JOSEPHINE
> BROUSE.
>
>

> 22. WILLIAM POWHATAN8 POYTHRESS (WILLIAM PETERSON7, PATRICK HENRY6,
> WILLIAM5, JOSHUA4, JOSHUA3, JOHN2, FRANCIS1) was born November 24, 1847,
and
> died 1920. He married LOUISA CAMPBELL MAYO, daughter of JOHN MAYO and
MARY
> CAMPBELL.
>
> Children of WILLIAM POYTHRESS and LOUISA MAYO are:
> i. CHARLOTTE REED9 POYTHRESS, b. 1880, A; d. 1880.
> ii. CHARLOTTE REED POYTHRESS, b. 1881, B; d. 1906.
>
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>		03/28/2001 3:54:26
RE: William P. Poythress, DruggistDiana DiamondI still need Barbara's help reading this old-style but also poor
handwriting, but I used a few image applications I had on had to make the
size and format readable. I am happy to send my Jpeg to anyone who asks.
This is how I read the LVA image, and I guess I was wrong about this
particular Poythress being the one who had a store named "Poythress." But
perhaps it's all a close family network?

Diana

My partial transcription

Born in Richmond, 18__
Attended well-known Miller's Classical School, and then Virginia Medical
College. In 1868, he became an employee in the Drug J(?) of Meade and Baker,
which was established in 1856--upon the death of the senior partner the
business was continued by Mr. Baker until his death in 1892, when Mr.
Poythress became proprietor and continued the business under the family name
of Meade and Baker, and is one often considered (?) the best stocked in the
city.		03/29/2001 2:39:52
Mecklenburg Co Court recordsCharles NealCraig,

Thanks so much for all your copying & the initial abstracts about them. I
look forward to working on the transcriptions. You mentioned "I did not
get to completely copy this file and will try again next time" so I was
just curious about how long it might be before you are able to return?

Thanks again for all your help for all of us!
Barbara (BPN)



03/29/2001 4:41:58
Orphans of Thomas PoythressI think we have, as a practical matter, eliminated Martha Ann Elizabeth
Poythress
Dixon Odum (daughter of Thomas Poythress) as a "member" of this lottery group
(at the time she would have been 29 years old and married.....hardly an
"orphan").
Plus she was the youngest of the siblings so there would be no other
"qualifiers".

Now I'm grasping at straws: we know there was a Thomas Poythress, Jr. in
Burke County at the time. I think he signed one petition with his father IN
Burke County and it is clearly Thomas Poythress, Jr. b. VA. We never hear
from him again.

Just to put a theory out there to poke about with, perhaps Thomas Jr. died an
early death and HIS orphans became some of those otherwise unidentified
"orphaned" Poythresses in Burke County's 1805 Ga. Land Lottery.

I'm looking at Craig's list of Chancery Court material and see Thomas M.
Poytress m. Lucy Thomas. I have two problems with this candidate. First,
he/she spells the name without the "h" and all the others of our crowd used
the conventional spelling.
Second, somewhere back in my memory bank it says that Lewis had a son named
Thomas M.

Comments?

Maynard		03/29/2001 6:09:27
William P. Poythress, Druggist - his pharmaceutical companyCharles NealBPN again reporting: I later last night realized that what I needed to do
when I was at the LVA site & while I had on my screen that small version of
the document (with "DOCUMENT" emblazoned across it), was to CLICK on the
document -- That opens it up *much* larger. [One of those moments
when I realized my problem.] Then, as Diana noted, it is just a matter of
trying to read Mr. S. Bassett French's handwriting. Diana, your
transcription got most of it, with just a few words of difference that I
could discern. My reading of the document is as follows:

"444
Poythress Wm P [underlined]

Druggist

born in Richmond 18[blank]
Attended the well known Miller's
Classical School, and then Va
Med Coll. In 1868, he became
an employee in the drug firm
of Meade and Baker, which
was established in 1856. Upon
the death of the senior partner
the business was continued by Mr.
Baker until his death in 1892,
when Mr. Poythress became the
proprietor, continuing the business
under the old firm name of
Meade and Baker, and is one
of the largest and best stocked
in the City"

Now, re your comment being the one who had a store named "Poythress.">

You were not at all wrong: he was one & the same. As a matter of fact, the
name change may give some indication of just when Mr. French had made the
above notes. (Perhaps in the 1890s - See paragraph 8 of the below-quoted
document. There are some discrepancies in what Mr. French noted above and
the company's history as presented below.)

For the benefit of those who have not searched thru the Poythress-List
Archives, and in case it wasn't in the Archives, anyway, I will round this
out by quoting from a document that Barbara Poythress Wolfe got back in Feb
of 1992 along with a brief letter from the company, whose letterhead then
read:

WILLIAM P. POYTHRESS
AN E.C. ROBINS COMPANY
P. O. BOX 71600
RICHMOND, VIRGINIA 23255

The accompanying document does not list an author/compiler, or a date.
From information in it, it is obvious that it was a speech, presented
perhaps in approximately 1943. The information appears to have been made
freely available to the public. It reads as follows [Note: I cannot help
but wonder whether the Hugh W. Jones mentioned below might not have been of
the same Jones family that Diana had already noted being connected to a
Poythress line]:

"EARLY HISTORY OF THE WILLIAM P. POYTHRESS & COMPANY, INC.
At the dawn of our Company's history, two gentlemen separated
themselves forever from lesser mortals by filling a wagon with
miscellaneous drugs and supplies, driving down the muddy streets to the
corner of 9th and Franklin in the small city of Richmond, and setting up an
apothecary shop. The year was 1856. The gentlemen were Mr. Richard Meade
and Mr. T. Roberts Baker. Their doings were important for they planted the
seed from which sprang no less than five pharmaceutical manufacturing
firms: Meade and Baker Carbolic Mouthwash Company, Polk Miller Company,
A.H. Robins Company, Van Pelt & Brown, and, of course, the William P.
Poythress & Company.
Little is known of the personal history of Messrs. Meade and Baker.
At the time they went into business together they were experienced
pharmacists, pillars of the Monument Episcopal Church, and members of
well-to-do families.
Mr. Meade, the senior partner, was the driving force behind the
growth of the business. He was tall, impressive, and an austere person, a
fine businessman and well respected by all who knew him. His grandson is a
prominent doctor in Richmond today.
Mr. Baker was fun-loving, full of tall tales and practical jokes.
It was he, however, who experimented with drugs and herbs, and who was the
originator of many valuable formulae. He was quoted for many years in
textbooks as an authority on several drugs, ergot in particular.
The Meade and Baker Apothecary prospered from the start and seems
to have survived the Civil War without loss. It moved to the 900 block
East Main Street and became the leading drugstore of Richmond. About this
time a mouthwash that Mr. Baker had concocted during his spare moments in
the back room of the store proved so popular with the paying customers
around town that the partners decided to advertise it in areas where money
was plentiful.
Now in those days, the best method of transportation was by water.
Oceangoing vessels came up to the city dock to pick up tobacco and various
raw materials for England, as well as points along our Atlantic coast.
Every time a ship was scheduled to sail, Mr. Meade would load his buggy
with samples of mouthwash and rattle down to the dock where he would give
each passenger and crew member a sample and a warning about the dangerous
effects on the human throat of various kinds of fog - James River, North
Atlantic, London and morning-after fog. Many there were who heeded his
warning, and it was not long before there developed a sizable demand for
Meade and Baker Mouthwash on both sides of the North Atlantic.
Soon Mr. Meade became too preoccupied with the mouthwash business
to do his part of the work in the store. So, through the following years,
he hired many young men to assist in the Apothecary Shop and incidentally
to learn the profession. Three of these men became well known in their own
right as manufacturers of drugs. Mr. Polk Miller picked up his knowledge
of chemicals behind the Meade and Baker prescription counter. He liked the
veterinary side of the drug business and started manufacturing dog
medicine. Today the Polk Miller Company does a land office business in dog
remedies and pine oil disinfectants. You have heard, I am sure, of their
line of Sargeant's dog medicine. Mr. A.H. Robins was another graduate of
the Meade and Baker Apothecary. At present the company that bears his name
is quite an up and coming manufacturer of pharmaceuticals and a friendly
competitor of ours. The third pharmacist to learn his profession under the
watchful eyes of the Messrs. Meade and Baker was old Bill Poythress
himself.
In 1888 the aging partners rented an old warehouse down near the
city dock and established therein the Meade and Baker Carbolic Mouthwash
Company, manufacturers of Meade and Baker Mouthwash and Meade and Baker
Tooth Powder. At the same time, they sold the Apothecary to their head
pharmacist, Mr. Wm. P. Poythress. After a few prosperous years, the Meade
and Baker Carbolic Mouthwash Company was bought by a Mr. Sam Gunther of
Chicago. He also purchased from Mr. Poythress for a tidy sum the name,
Meade and Baker. Thereafter the Meade and Baker Apothecary Shop was known
as "The Poythress Drug Store."
Mr. Gunther soon found that the rise in cost of the raw materials
for the now famous mouthwash cut his profits so much that he was forced to
sell out to Wm. R. Warner, who milled the business dry and let it die a
natural death. There are few today who remember the name Meade and Baker,
much less their carbolic mouthwash.
Meanwhile, Mr. Poythress was building a local reputation equal or
exceeding that of his worthy predecessors. He became quite a figure of
importance around town and had the name of being one of the best
pharmaceuticals in the South. Mr. William Poythress, himself, was a kindly
gentleman of short stature and dignified appearance. He had pale blue
eyes, an old-fashioned soupstrainer mustache, a big round tummy, and famous
ancestors. He claimed to be descended from Pocahontas. Maybe he was!
Business was so good around 1898 that Mr. Poythress decided to hire
another pharmacist (he already had one other besides himself). A gay young
blade named Jones from down Williamsburg way was chosen. You may have
heard of Mr. Hugh W. Jones, retired President of the Wm. P. Poythress &
Company, Inc. He has been closely connected with the Company for almost
half a century. It was through him that most of the information for this
talk was obtained.
Poythress Pharmacy at that time was located at 919 East Main
Street, in the heart of the business district. Although small, dark and
uninteresting by modern standards, the store did a tremendous prescription
business and was the gathering place for many of Richmond's notables.
Confederate Generals Mahone and Wickham, Major Olds, Judge Ashby Wickham,
Dr. Cunningham, Old Dr. Hunter McGuire, Bishop Van de Venter, and Father
Tabb, the poet laureate of Virginia, were among the drugstore cowboys of
the Old Poythress store.
The life of the druggist was quite different around the turn of the
century than it is today. Mr. Poythress used to open his store at seven
A.M. and close it at eleven P.M. He or one of the other pharmacists slept
in the back of the store all night, ready to be of assistance in case of
emergency. Mr. Jones tells how he used to fear fire at night, as there was
no escape from the long building except through the front door. One night
he borrowed a hacksaw and cut the bars on one of the rear windows,
carefully covering up his work with soot and putty. Thereafter, he slept
with a fire axe under his bed, safe in the knowledge that he could knock
out the back window and escape if necessary. Just last month Mr. Jones
went down to 919 East Main and showed the present occupants the secret exit
that had gone some 45 years without detection.
In the good old days, the druggist did not have the ready-made
prescriptions that are used now. He had to compound many kinds of shotgun
prescriptions each day, fill his own gelatin capsules, and quite often
convert native herbs into usable drugs. No wonder that druggists were held
in so much respect by the general public. The druggist also ran a
first-aid station for the neighborhood. Lacking modern quick
communications, the injured were usually dragged to the nearest drugstore
while someone went on foot or on horseback to find a doctor. Mr. Jones
says of the many men treated he knew of at least five who died in the back
of the store. He did not count the poor souls who spent their last moments
on the curb outside waiting for the ambulance.
Dope fiends were a great problem to the ethical druggist in the
period following the Civil War. It was, of course, a rigid policy with Mr.
Poythress not to sell dope or dangerous drugs without a Doctor's
prescription. The moment any clerk broke this rule he could reach for his
hat. He was automatically fired. The local addicts knew this and seldom
came to the store. However, when a number of strangers hit town, such as
in a carnival or circus, two men had to stay at the store at all times for
mutual protection. Mr. Jones has many wild tales of his experience with
dope fiends while alone in the store at night. Once a man who had been
politely turned away on an earlier attempt to buy morphine returned that
night and attacked Mr. Jones in an effort to get the drug -- literally over
Mr. Jones' dead body. The lucky arrival of a man seeking some cough
medicine for a sick child stopped the proceedings in the nick of time. It
took six policement to put the crazed man in the wagon. Mr. Jones, an old
football player, survived with minor cuts and bruises.
Mr. Poythress became very prosperous around the first of the
century. The store enjoyed a tremendous prescription business, drawn from
Richmond and nearby towns. He had a mutual wholesale drug business in the
basement. In addition, he manufactured a line of Sandalwood Oil Capsules
that was becoming very popular with the doctors and other druggists. He
owned a half-interest in several drugstores and had large investments of
stocks and bonds. The stock was his undoing. Mr. Poythress had invested
at a big margin in the Georgia Central Railroad. The railroad went broke
and so did Mr. Poythress. He had to sell all of his holdings and half his
interest in the main store. Thus Mr. Jones became a full partner in the
Poythress Drug Company.
A few years later the Professional Building at 5th & Franklin was
built and the Poythress Company took a ten-year lease on the drugstore
section. Shortly after this move the First World War drew most of the
doctors from the building. So, with the shortage of drugs and doctors and
the big overhead of their new location, the following years were lean ones
for the drugstore. The manufacture of SG&S Capsules, Poison Oak Lotion,
and several other preparations brought in enough income to prevent the
company from going under. But Poythress ceased to be THE Drugstore of
Richmond.
Mr. Poythress, getting old and feeble, sold his share of the
business to younger men and, after clerking awhile in the store he once
owned, "to give the boys a start" retired and a little later died.
Looking back over the early history of the Company we realize that
the lasting reputation of our Company was built on the sterling characters
of its owners, their superior pharmaceutical ability, and their strictly
ethical practices. Prosperity remained until laws were passed forcing all
druggists to conform to strict rules and ethical practices and until the
more general knowledge of chemistry and the use of standard pharmaceuticals
reduced the importance, glamour and mystery that surrounded the old-time
Apothecary."		03/29/2001 7:07:09
RE: William P. Poythress, Druggist - his pharmaceutical companyDiana DiamondThanks so much, Barbara,

That is fascinating stuff. I liked the little history of patent medicines.
With pharmaceuticals bombarding us on TV every night, it brings to mind the
saying, "The more things change..." Don't some of these new treatments sound
a lot like "snake oil." My personal favorite is "Flonase." Who came up
with that one?

Diana





03/29/2001 7:32:16
Chart BCharles NealThank you so much, Diana, for all your marvelous work on the Batte
materials and for putting together your "Hypothetical B Chart" based on the
compilation of Poythress information by R. Bolling Batte into his card
collection available at the Library of VA website. All of us owe you a
great debt for all this work, and for your ability to present it so clearly
to help all of us.

And thank you, Maynard, for your invaluable help in getting Diana's great
Chart B sent out to us.

Sure are a number of Poythress men who were around long enough to sire more
Poythresses!

Thanks again!
Barbara (BPN)



03/30/2001 1:32:18
John CogganLou PooleMaybe I can help on the John Coggan question that Diana raised....

According to Boddie's "Historical Southern Families," Vol. IV, p. 32:

“John Coggin or Coggan, the father of Rebecca Poythress, was an early
settler and physician in Charles City. He m. (1) a daughter of
Gregory Bland; (2) the relict and executrix of Capt. Richard Tye,
another early citizen, but it is not known if she were the mother of
his children. On 25 August 1658 Maj. John Harper, Capt. Thomas
Morgan, and Robert Dessell, citizens of the city of Bristol, gave a
power of attorney to ‘John Coggan of the city of Bristol, but now
resident in Virginia ‘aforesaid, chirurgeon,’ to receive certain
property belonging to Margaret Bird, administratrix of the goods
belonging to Capt. Rich-ard Bond, late of Bristol and Virginia. John
Coggin appears to have been of an unusually pugnacious disposition.
According to the Charles City Court Minutes of Feb. 1665, he sued
Robert Simonds for ‘assault committed on the person of sd. Coggin,
whereby his cheek bone was broken, besides a defect which was
occasioned in his eyes.’ A few days later one Robert Potter deposed
that — being in the house of Sarah Potter, there met Mr. Cogan and
William Wilkins, betwixt whom passed several words of ill and abusive
language given to each other, upon which they fell to collering, in
which scuffle the said John Cogan was on the ground flung by William
Wilkins, of which fall John Cogan received a black eye and a scar on
one of his lips, further the said Wilkins lying on the ground upon
John Cogan, a dog of the house seized upon one of the legs of William
Wilkins and bit him — the which wound Jno Coggan dressed and gave him
medicines to carry with him. "

I have not seen any hard evidence that Rebecca was, indeed, the
daughter of John Coggan. Nor have I found the evidence cited by
Boddie that John Coggan was first married to a daughter of Gregory
Bland.

But he WAS previously married, and by late 1758 or early 1759 he had
married the widow of Richard Tye:

“Itt is ordered that mr John Cogan who married the relict and exer’x
of Capt Richd Tye dec’d pay to mr Tho: Drewe the sum of 1313 lb of
good tobbo and cask and 71: 17s 8d sterl money found due by acc’ot
assigned from Howell Pryse with costs, als exec.” [“Charles City
County, Court Orders, 1658-1661, p. 185” — Fleet, Beverley, "Virginia
Colonial Abstracts," Vol. III, p. 216.]

That the widow of Richard Tye had children when she married John
Coggan is evidenced in the following:

[Mar 1660] “Abstract. Mr John Cogan this day giving ‘security for
the state of Capt Tyes children’ is released of former security.”

[15 Sep 1662] “Abstract. Order that Mr Jno Cogan renew security for
Capt Tye’s orphans since the de-cease of Mr Jno Dibdall, one of the
securities.”

[3 Oct 1662] “Abstract. Exors and est of Mr. Jno Dibdall acquitted
from bond he entered into with Mr. Jno. Cogan for Capt Tye’s orphans.
Cogan to give bond.”

[22 Oct 1663] “Abstract. Capt Robt Wynne to renew security of Mr Jno
Cogan for estate of orphans of Capt Richd Tye decd.”

“Abstract. Bond. 20 Nov. 1663. John Cogan of Merchants Hope
chirurgeon to Capt Robt Wynne Gent in behalf of the Court of C.C. Co.
Binds items listed in schedule below to secure the estate and free
education of the orphans of Capt Rich Tye deceased. Signed John
Cogan. Wit: Jno Holmwood, S Hamelin.”

[22 Feb 1663/4] “Abstract. James Ward released as security with John
Cogan for estate of Capt Richd Tye’s orphans.” [“Charles City County,
Court Orders, 1658-1661, p. 231” — Fleet, Beverley, "Virginia Colonial
Abstracts," Vol. III, pp. 230, 264, 265, 283, 287, 291.]

So... We have the fact that John Coggan was father of his own children
from his first, the step-father of Richard Tye's children, and perhaps
the father of children from his second wife, widow of Richard Tye. I
do not know who Rebecca's mother was, and therefore who her father
was. Boddie wrestled with this in his "Southern Historical Families,"
and did not reach a conclusion.

I have found neither the will of John Coggan nor that of Richard Tye
to help resolve the issue. It doesn't help a whit that if either or
both of them filed wills, it was probably in Charles City County,
whose records have been so largely destroyed.

Lou Poole		03/30/2001 10:28:52
Chart B and related issuesDiana DiamondMany thanks to Lou for making clear what I only muddled on the "Tye" name
and Rebecca Coggin. I am so happy to have so much new detail on this
question.

Thanks, Maynard, for passing the chart on.

I would suggest if anyone has problems reading the chart, they should first
be sure that the jpeg chart is read in a totally open window of their
browser. Some scrolling is required. I found that this chart can be printed
out successfully but the quality is better if you use my gedcom (available
on request) in a Family Tree Maker program. Problems people have had in the
past with charts like this have often arisen because they have a small
browser window open and the left right corner of the chart is blank.

Next week I will try to post some details of this chart in text form.

On a personal note, I believe one of my Poythress lines leads from Anne
Poythress and Burwell Green. Mr. Batte has index cards documenting all the
players but doesn't sew up the relationships neatly. But more about that
later.

Diana



03/31/2001 3:18:35
Family of James Edward Poythress & Catherine S. PrestonCharles NealSpurred on by other recent postings of Poythress information, I (Barbara
Poythress Neal, email address BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com) am posting
the following about the family of my great-great-grandparents, James Edward
Poythress and his wife Catherine Speed Preston. The info some of you have
seen on James Edward Poythress, himself, was what I gave our then
list-master Al Tims in 1997 to post on a Progenitor page. That info is
still located at: http://www1.minn.net/~atims/ProgJEP.html The following
information expands from what is shown on that webpage to include his
family.

Many of the following dates & locations can be confirmed by readers in the
3-page Poythress & Preston Family Bible-type record. Both a scanned image
of, and a typed transcript of that Poythress & Preston Family Bible Record
are available online at the Library of Virginia's Bible records site, from
the photocopy & the transcription I gave them some years ago; those pages
are listed at the LVA as Accession #34866. The typed transcript includes
information about the history of the record itself. There was also a
published version of the typed transcription of that Poythress & Preston
Family Bible Record, in the Virginia Genealogical Society's Magazine of
Virginia Genealogy, Volume 33, Issue 2, May 1995, pp. 111-114.


PROGENITOR & HIS WIFE:

James Edward Poythress, b. 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia; d.
17 Jan 1863 at Sumterville, in Sumter County, Alabama; bur. Sumterville
Methodist Cemetery, no extant marker.
Marr: 6 Feb 1828 in Brunswick Co, Virginia [Marr Bond in Brunswick
Co, VA 29 Jan 1828] Catherine Speed Preston, who was b. 20 Jan 1800 in
Brunswick County, VA, and who d. 18 Oct 1884 in Sumter Co, AL; bur.
Sumterville Methodist Cemetery, no extant marker. Note: per the Family
Bible Record, her death date is listed only as Oct 1884; the more precise
date is from the Sumter Co, AL Register of Deaths, a transcription of which
is included in Joseph F. Stegall's book, Sumter County, Alabama: Index to
Wills and Estate Administrations 1834-1884; Register of Deaths 1881-1892;
and Cemetery Records (Bowie, MD: Heritage Books, Inc, 1997)


THEIR 8 CHILDREN who lived to adulthood [no record has been found for any
other children, as of April 2001]:

Joshua Lewis Poythress, b. 10 Nov 1828 in Mecklenburg Co, VA; d. 12 Jun
1854 in Sumter Co, AL.
Marr: 17 Oct 1852 in Mecklenburg Co, VA [that Sunday date &
location are per the above-mentioned Family Bible Record; however they got
their Marriage Bond and License 30 Sep 1852, in the adjacent county, Warren
County, NC, and the Return was made on a Friday, 15 Oct 1852, per copy from
Loose Records at NC Archives] Elizabeth J. Crowder, for whom no birthdate
is available and who d. 1 Jun of 18(59?) [for the last two digits of the
year, the Family Bible Record is difficult to read]. Joshua and Elizabeth
had only one child, a son (named for Joshua's brother below), William H.
Poythress, Jr., who was b. 30 Nov 1853 in Sumter Co, AL and who died only 8
months later, 21 Jul 1854 in Sumter Co, AL, one month after his father
Joshua had died & after the uncle for whom this child was named had died


Nathan Francis Poythress, b. 18 Oct 1830 in Mecklenburg Co, VA; d. 11 Mar
1862 in CSA Hospital at Charlottesville, VA; bur. in the University of
Virginia Confederate Cemetery, Charlottesville, VA. Never married.


William Huel Poythress, b. 10 Dec 1832 in Mecklenburg Co, VA; d. 26 Jun
1854 in Sumter Co, AL. Never married.


Catherine Jane Poythress, b. 10 Aug 1838 in Mecklenburg Co, VA [per Family
Bible Record] or possibly 10 Aug 1837 [per gravemarker]; d. 1889 at
Binnsville, Mississippi [per Family Bible Record, where it was apparently
recorded sometime later] or more likely 5 Nov 1888 [per gravemarker]; bur.
Souls Chapel Methodist Cemetery, Geiger, Sumter Co, AL [near Binnsville,
MS].
Marr: (1) on 24 Apr 1856 in Sumter Co, AL, William Gilbert, Jr.
[his second marriage], who was b. 18 Jul 1813 in Jones Co, NC and who d.
Jan 1870 in Sumter Co, AL; bur. Sumterville Methodist Cemetery,
Sumterville, Sumter Co, AL. Catherine & Wm Gilbert had five children, whose
ages ranged from 2 to 12 when Wm Gilbert died.
Six months later, Catherine Jane Poythress Gilbert marr. (2) on 8
Jun 1870 in Sumter Co, AL, Daniel O'Conner McKinley, Jr., who was b. 17 Mar
1843 near Sumterville, in Sumter Co, AL and who d. 17 Apr 1921; bur. Souls
Chapel Methodist Cemetery beside his wife. D.O. McKinley, Jr. helped her
raise the five children; they had no further children together.


Rebecca Barter Jane Poythress [name shown in Family Bible Record only as
Rebecca B. J. Poythress], b. 10 Nov 1840 in Mecklenburg Co, VA [date &
place per Family Bible Record. Death certificate, with info from her son,
shows b. 10 Nov 1838 at Petersburg, VA; gravemarker has same 1838
birthdate]; d. 28 Jan 1936 [from death certif; no death date given in
Family Bible Record] in East Lake section of Birmingham, Jefferson Co, AL;
bur. East Lake Cemetery.
Marr. on 20 Dec 1860 in Sumter Co, AL, John David Lavender, who was
b. 29 Feb 1836 in Greensboro [then in Greene Co; currently Hale Co], AL and
who d. 16 Jun 1899 in Birmingham, Jefferson Co, AL; bur. East Lake
Cemetery. Rebecca and John had six children.


Penelope Frances "Fannie" or "Jodie" Poythress, b. 4 Aug 1843 in
Mecklenburg Co, VA [date & place per Family Bible Record. Death
certificate, with info from her son, shows b. 3 Aug 1841 in Mecklingburg
(sic) Co, VA]; d. 10 Dec 1915 [from death certif; Family Bible Record gives
only Dec 1915] in Meridian, Lauderdale Co, Mississippi; bur. Magnolia
Cemetery, in Meridian, Lauderdale Co, MS.
Marr. on 7 Feb 1867 in Sumter Co, AL, David Lavender Bennett, who
was b. 1838 in Sumter Co, AL and who d. 18 Jul 1917 in Meridian, Lauderdale
Co, MS; bur. Magnolia Cemetery, in Meridian, Lauderdale Co, MS. Fannie and
David had three children.


Algernon Edward Poythress, b. 12 Aug 1844 in Mecklenburg Co, VA; d. 11 Apr
1918 in Meridian, Lauderdale Co, MS; bur. Magnolia Cemetery, Meridian,
Lauderdale Co, MS.
Marr. on 25 Aug 1868 in Sumter Co, AL, Ellen Belle McKinley [sister
of above-mentioned Daniel O'Conner McKinley, Jr.], who was b. 18 Aug 1851
in Sumter Co, AL and who d. 6 Aug 1918 in Meridian, Lauderdale Co, MS; bur.
Magnolia Cemetery, Meridian, Lauderdale Co, MS. A.E. and Ellen had eleven
children, two of whom died as infants.


Virenda Priscilla Poythress, b. 19 Feb 1848 in Mecklenburg Co, VA; d. 26
Aug 1920 [date from death certificate and gravemarker; no death date given
in Family Bible Record] in East Lake section of Birmingham, Jefferson Co,
AL; bur. East Lake Cemetery.
Marr. 20 Jan 1869 in Sumter Co, AL, Robert Neal McKinley [brother
of above-mentioned Daniel O'Conner McKinley, Jr. and Ellen Belle McKinley],
who was b. 3 Nov 1846 in Sumter Co, AL and who d. 30 Dec 1913 in East Lake
section of Birmingham, Jefferson Co, AL; bur. East Lake Cemetery. V.P. and
Robert had six children.		04/02/2001 1:10:04
The P-1 Family of RBBDiana Diamond# 9 Backup Notes on Hypothetical B Chart sent as attachment independent of
Rootsweb.

The A Chart emphasizes the male heirs of John Poythress, son of Francis
Poythress, Immigrant from England around 1633.

This Chart B, or Section B, which Mr. Batte alluded to but apparently never
completed as a chart, emphasizes the male heirs of Francis Poythress Jr.

The primarily purpose of this note is to clarify the dates somewhat.
However, some further detail from Mr. Batte's cards is included.
------------------------------------------------
Descendants of Francis Poythress

Generation No. 1

1. FRANCIS1 POYTHRESS was born in England, arrived in VA by 1633 {(P-1)
0}. He married MARY
UNKNOWN.

More About FRANCIS POYTHRESS:
Fact 4: (P-1) 0 Immigrant in VA by 1633

Children of FRANCIS POYTHRESS and MARY UNKNOWN are:
i. JANE2 POYTHRESS, m. THOMAS ROLFE.

ii. JOHN POYTHRESS, m. CHRISTIAN PEEBLES.

iii. THOMAS POYTHRESS.

2. iv. MAJ. FRANCIS POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1630, [(P-1) D]; d. Abt. 1688, VA.


Generation No. 2

2. MAJ. FRANCIS2 POYTHRESS (FRANCIS1)1 was born Abt. 1630 in [(P-1) D], and
died Abt. 1688 in VA. He
married REBECCA COGGIN2. She died in VA.

R. Bolling Batte used Publication 96 as a source. Says


Poythress Cards 65/66 says "See Charles City (Records 1687-1695] Page 419
reference on wife's card to
her administration with will annexed to her late husband's estate. This was
in Sept 1642."

However, this is not on wife's cards.


Children of FRANCIS POYTHRESS and REBECCA COGGIN are:
i. FRANCIS3 POYTHRESS3, b. Bef. 1681, [(P-1) DA]; d. Lived in Surry County,
Justice of Peace 1738.

Notes for FRANCIS POYTHRESS:
Francis Poythress DA

Called Francis Sr. on rent rolls.
Justice of the Peace 1739, March 2

ii. ANNE POYTHRESS, b. Bef. 1682, VA [(P-1) DB]; d. Aft. 1733, Living in
1733; m. BURWELL GREEN; b.
Surry County VA; d. Bef. 1733.

3. iii. JOHN POYTHRESS, b. Bef. 1688, VA [(P-1) DC]; d. Abt. April 1724.
iv. REBECCA POYTHRESS, b. Bef. 1683, VA [(P-1) DD].
v. THOMAS POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1683, VA [(P-1) DE]; d. Abt. 1750.

Generation No. 3

3. JOHN3 POYTHRESS (FRANCIS2, FRANCIS1)4 was born Bef. 1688 in VA [(P-1)
DC], and died Abt. April
1724. He married MARY UNKNOWN5. She died Aft. 1724.

His cousin also named John had a wife named Mary. She was Mary Batte.
Prince George D & W 1713-1728, P 706 - will of John Poythress of Martins
Brandon Parish, Prince
Georges County:

To son John Poythress, to son Francis Poythress, to William Poythress (not
1B or 18], daughter Elizabeth
Poythress, Daughter Rebecca Poythress, Daughter Ann Poythress, Wife Mary
Poythress...mentions brother
Thomas Poythress.
Robert Poythress and John Woodlief Executors. Will undated by probated May
12, 1724

-------------------------
Prince George D & WB 1713-1728 P 941, account of John Poythress' estate
submitted by Robert Poythress
and John Woodlief Exrs. Recorded December 13, 1726. Sums were paid widow,
to Rebecca his
daughter, to Elizabeth his daughter, to Colonel William Randolph, to Captain
Richard Randolph, and to
Mr. John Fitzgerald.
----

Listed in 1704 Quit rent rolls of Prince George County as J.P. Jr. has 916
acres.

Children of JOHN POYTHRESS and MARY UNKNOWN are:
i. JOHN4 POYTHRESS6, b. VA [(P-1) DCA]

4. ii. FRANCIS POYTHRESS, b. Abt. 1707, VA [(P-1) DCB]; d. Abt. 1738.
iii. WILLIAM POYTHRESS7, b. Aft. 1717, VA [(P-1) DCC].

Notes for WILLIAM POYTHRESS:
Guardian Charles Irby

iv. ELIZABETH POYTHRESS8, b. VA [(P-1) DCD].

v. REBECCA POYTHRESS9, b. VA [(P-1) DCE].

vi. ANN POYTHRESS, b. VA [(P-1) DCF].

Batte spells her name with the "e" on her card, without on her father's
card.

Generation No. 4

4. FRANCIS4 POYTHRESS (JOHN3, FRANCIS2, FRANCIS1)10 was born Abt. 1707 in
VA [(P-1) DCB], and died
Abt. 1738. He married HANNAH UNKNOWN11 Abt. 1728. She was born in VA
[(P-1) DCB (W)], and died
Aft. 1765 in Chesterfield County?.



Child of FRANCIS POYTHRESS and HANNAH UNKNOWN is:
i. ELIZABETH5 POYTHRESS12, b. February 11, 1729/30, VA [(P-1) DCB A]{card
note not changed, but should be to DCB A}.


{Hannah and her daughter Elizabeth were first thought to be the wife and
child of Francis III (DA). Later Mr. Batte assigned them to John's son
Francis (DCB). Not all the index cards were changed. This may create some
confusion to those looking at the cards.}

Endnotes

1. Combined work of Robert Bolling Batte, Poythress Chart and the Index
Cards at Library of Virginia. The latter at
the internet site: http://image.vtls, Poythress Cards 65, 66.
2. Combined work of Robert Bolling Batte, Poythress Chart and the Index
Cards at Library of Virginia. The latter at
the internet site: http://image.vtls, Poythress Card 150, Codd (Coggin) Card
13, Card 150 shows Coggin crossed out an
Tye written in, but Coggin is used throughout the index collection to
indicate this Francis's wife. There are no Tye
cards.
3. Combined work of Robert Bolling Batte, Poythress Chart and the Index
Cards at Library of Virginia. The latter at
the internet site: http://image.vtls, Poythress Cards 67, 68.
4. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the
internet
[http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Poythress Cards 88, 89.
5. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the
internet
[http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Poythress Cards 118, 119 and
husband's cards.
6. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the
internet
[http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Poythress Card 90, 91 and his
father's cards.
7. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the
internet
[http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Poythress Cards 200, 201.
8. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the
internet
[http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], See father's card..
9. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the
internet
[http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Poythress Cards 146, 147, and
father's cards.
10. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the
internet
[http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Poythress Cards 69, 70, see
father's cards.
11. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the
internet
[http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], See husband's and daughter's
notes.
12. R. Bolling Batte Cards, Library of Virginia Digital Collection on the
internet
[http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html], Poythress Cards 43, 44.		04/03/2001 3:01:07
Prince George RecordsCharles NealIn the interest of having Maynard's voluminous work available to us in our
Poythress-List Archives, I am about to send to the List in pure "text" form
all seven of the documents (each one as a separate,
searchable-in-the-Archives, message) which he earlier today made available
to us as Word files:

1) PG Court Orders 1714-20
2) PG Court Minute Book 1737-1740
3) PG Misc. Court Records
4) PG Surveys as Proxies for Census 1720-26
5) PG Wills and Deeds 1759-1760
6) PG Wills and Deeds 1787-1792
7) PG Wills, Deeds and Settlements 1713-1728

Thanks again, Maynard, for all your hard work!!
Maynard's comments about the seven files are repeated below, from his
earlier message that was captioned as above.
Barbara (BPN)
= = =

... are seven record files comprising the whole of Poythress and some
related families' information at the Clayton Genealogical Library in
Houston. Sadly, in comparing this material to the indexes of the Library
of Virginia and indexes of the principle abstractor of many Prince George
records (Benjamin Weisiger), there are not many more legal documents
available as the Prince George courthouse was destroyed about 1864-5.

The... titles... are:
1) PG Court Orders 1714-20
2) PG Court Minute Book 1737-1740
3) PG Misc. Court Records
4) PG Surveys as Proxies for Census 1720-26
5) PG Wills and Deeds 1759-1760
6) PG Wills and Deeds 1787-1792
7) PG Wills, Deeds and Settlements 1713-1728

Comments on the material:
1) Prefacing notes for each record group are intended to clarify why I
arranged the material as I did. Some subjects are transcribed and some
abstracted; some books are sequenced by dates and some by page number. The
notes will explain why.

2) Dates and "Book" page numbers are often a contradiction, especially in
the 1730's when the new year started in March. While I may or may not have
let that effect the sequencing of documents listed, in all cases I have
used the actual date and/or page number on the original document.
Anticipate that conflicting dates, page numbers, etc. will present
frustrating contradictions.

3) I attempted to render spellings as shown in the document. Spelling for
a lot of those court clerks appears to have been a casual matter.
Subjective spellings were characteristic of the times.

4) Even if you already have some of these documents by the same title,
please substitute the new material for your old file. Numerous
clarifications and revisions are included. In anticipation of future
corrections, additions, etc. by any or all of us I have indicated "revision
dates" in the top right at the beginning of each record set.

5) With the exception of a few instances where an acknowledged individual
is stated to have given consent to use a pre-existing transcription or an
abstract, this material is all "original" and taken from microfilm. There
are no copyright implications from others and none claimed by me. You may
feel free to copy this material in whole or in part and use in any way you
choose.

6) In all instances, corrections, additions, deletions, etc. will be
welcomed. Simply send it to me and I will make the correction and send
revised documents to the list.

I hope this material will be helpful to all of you.
Maynard		04/06/2001 5:05:21
Prince George Co, VA 1759-60 Deeds & WillsCharles Neal(JMP
Revision 5 Apr 2001)

Prince George County, VA
Deeds & Wills 1759-1760
(4 items only, abstracted)

14 Aug 1759
Deed of Sale (p. 104)
William Poythress of the County of Dinwiddie
to
Samuel Gordon of Prince George County
Sum of 11 pounds current money of VA
Lots # 22 and # 40 in the town of Blandford.
Signed: William Poythress (seal)
Wit: John Baird, Patrick Ramsey, Robert Mackie

7 Feb 1760
Deed of Sale (p. 153)
William Poythress of the County of Dinwiddie
to
Samuel Gordon of Prince George County
Sum of 192,1, 8.
One parcell of land near the town of Blandford, Bristol Parish, Prince
George County....105 acres.
Signed: William Poythress
Wit: (blotted out on page copied from microfilm)

13 Jan 1760
Deed of Sale (p. 154)
William Poythress of Dinwiddie County
To
William Brodnax of same county
Lot # 5 in town of Blandford
Sum of ? (none stated)
Signed: William Poythress (seal)
Wit: John Butler, John Bland

8 Mch 1760
Appraisement (p. 158)
Appraisement of the Estate of Mary Poythress (dced)
Viz: livestock, furniture, household items (itemized)
Appraised at: 61, 18, 7
Appraisers: Anthony Peniston, Peter Epes, Nath. Raines
Signed: ______ Watts, Adm. of Estate of Mary Poythress
Sworn before me: Richard Bland, Jr.


Abstracted from microfilm roll # 104-5-6
Clayton Library, Houston, Texas
12 Sep 2000, JMP		04/06/2001 5:05:22
Prince George Co, VA Misc. Court RecordsCharles Neal(JMP Revision 5 Apr
2001)

Prince George County, Misc. Court Records


28 Jul 1779
Cash paid to Peachy, Poythress, Bates & Co. 3112 pounds 19 shillings
to repay them said sum borrowed by Wm Boyd to pay John Nicholas for land to
pay Robert Turnbo, etc. etc. (numerous others totalling 3112 lbs 19
shillings.


3 June 1778
Deed
Robert Bolling and wife Clara
To
John Bland
Court order to receive relinquishment of right of dower for Clara
Bolling
Was satisfied by the oaths of Robert Gilliam and William Poythress		04/06/2001 5:05:22
Prince George Co, VA 1714-20 Court OrdersCharles Neal(JMP Revision 6
Apr, 2001)
Prince George County
Court Orders 1714-1720

Notes: this unindexed reel was scanned Mar, '01. Entries are stated by
Court Order Book page number omitting dates as the date most often prefaces
the text of that particular court meeting. Entries in parenthesis are
abstracted; entries not in parentheses are transcriptions. Typically, when
a Poythress appears pertinent to a proceeding itself the entry is
transcribed; a proceeding with a Poythress as an indirect participant I
have most often elected to abstract the entry. Generally, "court orders"
will be brief and to the point, containing few if any details of the court
considerations leading to the order. Most are transcribed because there is
so little it is easier to transcribe than to abstract.

Details of cases are typically missing. Court orders were not intended to
detail the proceedings of a case, only its conclusion.

Given the need to "de-emphasize" dates in this group of records, I have
simply listed the entries by Court Order page numbers and shown the date(s)
of the particular court that issued the order. Often the dates will appear
out of order.

P. 4
(Biggins vs. Short, 6 Jan 1714; Robert Poythres and Edward Epes on jury).

P. 19
(14 Jun 1715; John Poythres among others listed present as a "gentleman
justice" for the court. Typically, these gentlemen justices are listed as
"present" at the recording of each monthly opening of the court.)

P. 25
(12 July 1715; John Poythres among others present as gentl justice).

P. 26
12 Jul 1715; On the motion of Thomas Harrison it is ordered that his bond
for the care and payment of the estates of two of the orphans of Robert
Drayton dced be delivered out of the clerk's office, the estates being
committed to care of Francis and Peter Poythres, guardians to the said
orphans.

P. 27
12 Jul 1715; Francis Poythres acknowledges a deed for land (executed and
sealed) bearing date 12 Jun 1715 to Peter Grammar and his heirs on whose
motion the same is committed to record.

P. 28
(6 July 1715; John Poythres among others present as gentl justice).

P. 28
(9 Aug 1715; John Poythres among others present as gent justice).

P. 32
(13 Sep 1715; John Poythres among others present as gentl justice).

P. 47
10 Jan 1716; Francis Mallory and Francis Poythres, excrs. of Joseph
Poythres dced made complaint that Thomas Hunsby (?) stands indebted to them
the sum of 1060 lbs. of tobacco due for rent; vis: and set forth that the
said Thomas has unlawfully departed this County so that the ordinary proofs
at Law cannot be served against him whereupon they by virtue of an
attachment into the hands of his Majesty's Justice of this County
returnable to this Court have caused part of the Estate of this Thomas to
be attached for payment thereof; viz. a ________ of tobacco and the said
Thomas being called and failing to appear to replace the land. On the
plaintiff's motion Judgement is granted them against the defendant for the
aforesaid sum and costs to be levied and paid for out of the said tobacco.
Order that the same be duely appraised by John Bonner, William Hudson,
etc...

P. 51
13 Mar 1716; Pursuant to the Act for appointing Sherrifs John Poythres,
Samson Meredith and Richard Hamlin, Gentlemen Justices viz: are recommended
to the Honourable then Governor as full viz: to execute the office of
Sherrif this ensuing year.

P. 53
(2 Apr 1716; John Poythres among others present as gentl justice).

P. 55
2 Apr 1716; The suit depending (sic) between Francis Mallory and Francis
Poythres, excr Joshua Patterson dced and Thomas Hunsby, neither party
appearing, is dismist.

P. 57 Apr 1716; Francis Mallory and Francis Poythres exrs Joshua Patterson
dced vs. Thomas Hunsby; pursuant to an order of the last Court exhibited
and out, related to the provings on the case while being examined and it is
ordered to be filed and the said plaintiffs as aforesaid to have till this
Feb therein mentioned.

P. 59
(12 Jun 1716; John Poythres among others present as gentl. justice).

P. 59
11 Jun 1716; The action depending between Edward Burball and Robert
Poythres, neither party appearing is dismist.

P. 69
12 Jun 1716; Gilbert Hay, John Willkins, Peter Poythres and James Jones
junr or any three of them are ordered to appraise Jack and Diana Day now
under the care of William Formlington they being first sworn by some
Justice for that purpose and that they make report of same to be next
Court.

P. 117
(9 Apr 1717; Robert Poythres shown as appraiser of estate of Hubbard
Green).

P. 121
(14 May 1717; Court held at Merchant's Hope for County of Prince George;
present: John Poythress a gentl justice)

P. 124
13 May 1717; Stith Bolling in open Court acknowledged his deed (indented
and sealed) with liberty of seizure sworn thereon to Robert Poythres on
whose motion the same by the Court is ordered to be recorded.

P. 124
14 May 1717; Stith Bolling in open Court acknowledged his Bond for
performance of covenants to Robert Poythres on whose motion the same is
ordered to be recorded.

P. 132
Jun 1717; The suit in Chancery brought by Charles Anderson against John
Poythres and Henry Offley neither party appearing is dismist.

P. 132
Jun 1717; Charles Anderson having filed a Bill in Chancery against John
Poythres, excr of Joshua Poythres decd and Henry Offley late of London,
Merchant, it is ordered a summons against the said John Poythres and Henry
Offley to appear at the next court and answer the said charges.

P. 232
Under date of 9 Jul 1717, identical to the text above re Charles Anderson.

P. 232
Under date of 9 Jul 1717, identical to the text above re Charles Anderson.
(It is speculated that the court took action in July identical to that
taken in June and the clerk; seeing no point in recomposing the things,
simply duplicated them).

P. 237
9 July 1717 (John Poythres a Jury Foreman)

P. 239
13 Aug 1717; The suit in Chancery brought by Charles Anderson against Henry
Offley, late of London, Merchant and John Poythres surviving excr of the
Last Will and Testatment of Joshua Poythres dced. Thomas Simmons,
SubSherriff Oath to the service of the Writ and charged Poythres and he
failing to appear an attachment is granted the complaintant against the
Body of the said Poythres returnable to the next Court and it is ordered
that said summons is also against the said Offley returnable to the next
Court.

P. 234
13 Aug 1717; In the action on the case depending (sic) between John Pool
and John Poythres, Francis Mallory and George Hamilton are chosen by the
said partys and appointed by the Court to meet and settle the difference
between the said plaintiff and defendant and make report of their
proceedings therein to the next Court.

P. 250
14 Apr 1719; Joshua Poythres, Robert Poythres, John Fitzgerald and Edward
Mitchell or any three of them being first sworn for that purpose by some
Magistrate of this County are nominated and appointed to appraise the
estate of Thomas Harwell dced and make report of their proceedings therein
to the next Court when Henry Batte, the Admin. Thereof is ordered to return
the inventory.

P. 254
12 May 1719; Robert Poythres and Edward Mitchell who were appointed to lay
and value one acre of Land lying on the Balys River and belonging to the
Land of Joseph Holycross dced for John Peterson's convenience to build a
water Mill and make report of their proceedings which is ordered to be
recorded and is accordingly truly recorded as follows; viz: [copy blotted]
Prince George County.

P. 255
12 May 1715; The order that Elizabeth Duke Adm. of Henry Duke dced return
an inventory of the said dced Estate is continued till the next Court.

P. 263
9 Jun 1719; John Poythres, John Hatch, William Harrison and Gilbert Hay or
any three of them being first sworn for that purpose by some Magistrate of
this County are ordered to appraise the Estate of Randle Pratt dced and
make report of their proceedings to the next Court when Henry Holder as the
Executor is to return the Inventory thereof.

P. 267
15 Jul 1719 (John Poythres among others present is a "gentl. Justice")


P. 275
14 Jul 1719; In the action brought by Thomas Goodwynn against John Poythres
for 34 pounds 6 shillings 3 pence due by account the def. being arrested
and not appearing nor any Security returned for him on the motion of the
plaintiff's attorney judgement is granted him against the said defendt. and
James Thweatt Sherr. for the said sum and costs unless the said defendt.
shall appear at the next Court and answer the said action.

P. 278
11 Aug 1719; The petition of Francis Poythres, Excr against Eliza. Mallory
Excr of Fra. Mallory dced is referred till the next court.

P. 285
13 Oct 1719; Amy, a Negro girl belonging to Peter Poythres is Judged to be
eleven years old.

P. 285
11 Oct 1719; Tom, a Negro boy belonging to Peter Poythres is Judged nine
years old.

P. 285
11 Oct 1719; Jenny a Negro girl belong to Francis Poythres is Judged nine
years old.

P. 287
13 Oct 1719; The action on the case bro. by Thomas Goodwynn against John
Poythres, the plaintiff failing to prosecute is dismist.

P. 289
13 Oct 1719; Francis Poythres surviving executor of Last Will & Testament
Jos. Patterson against Elizabeth Mallory, John Hamlin and Edward Goodrich
excrs of the Last Will & Testament of Francis Mallory dced: for 2061 lbs.
of Tobacco and 16 shillings due by accts to the Estate of the plaintiff
Joseph Patterson dced. The defdts. Move the Plaintiff prove the said acct
whereupon he makes Oath the same is due and on his motion its ordered that
the Defendts pay to the said plf. out of the said Mallory's Estate 17
pounds 3 shillings 6 pence, value of the said Tobacco and the said sum of
17 shillings amounting in the whole to 18 pounds 6 pence with costs Als:
Eceo.


P. 291
13 Oct 1719; Prince a Negro boy belonging to Joshua Poythres is judged five
years old.

P. 297
11 Nov 1719; (John Poythres, Samson Meredith and John Hardyman, among
others, present as gentl. Justices). [note: from here and sporadically
forward John Poythres appears to "co-sign William Hamlin's order to close
the court.]

P. 298
11 Mar 1719
(John Poythres present as gentl. Justice).

P. 303
12 Jan 1719
(John Poythres present as gentl. Justice).

P. 306
8 Mar 1719; Pursuant to the direction of the Act for Appointing Sherriffs
John Poythres, Robert Mumford and John Hardyman, gentl. Justices are
recommended to the Honourable Leiut. Governor as fitt and able to execute
the office as Sherriff of this County for the next ensuing year.

P. 313
8 Mar 1719; John Poythres, John Hardyman and Louis Green gentl. are
recommended to the honourable the Leiut. Govnr as fitt and able to Execute
the office of Corroners of this County.

P. 314
12 Apr 1720
Last Will & Testament of Richard Bland dced was presented into court by
William Randolph and Richard Randolph, excrs.....etc.

P. 316
10 May 1720; (Assignments to take the lists of tithables): John Poythres
gentl in Waynoke Parrish, Samson Meredith gentl. in Martins Brandon
Parrish.....etc.

P. 322
14 Jun 1720; (John Poythres, among others, present as gentl. justice).

P. 323
14 Jun 1720; (John Hardyman, John Poythres and Edward Goodrich make Oaths
as Sherriffs).

P. 329
14 Jun 1720; On the motion of Robert Poythres he is Exempt from paying Levy
for his Negro woman Sue.

P. 330
14 Jun 1720; John Poythres Robert Poythres and John Woodleif, having taken
the Official Oaths of Allegience and signed the Teste are sworn vestrymen
of Westover Parrish.

P. 331
9 Aug 1720; (John Poythres present as gentl. justice).

P. 331
9 Aug 1720; Cato, a Negro boy belonging to David Poythres is Adjudged
twelve years old.

P. 333
13 Sep 1720; (John Poythres present as gentl. justice).

P. 334
13 Sep 1720; Jenny, a Negro girl belonging to John Poythres is Adjudged
eleven years old.

P. 338
31 Oct 1720; (John Poythres present as gentl. justice).

P. 339
13 Dec 1720; Francis Poythres in Open Court acknowledges his deed for Land
(indented and sealed) with Livery of Seizure Endorsed thereon to John
Poythres on whose motion the same is ordered to be recorded.

P. 341
10 Jan 1720; (John Poythres present as gentl. justice).


P. 342
10 Jan 1720; John Woodleife, John Poythres [among others] "being chose
Vestrymen for the Parrish of Martins Brandon they accordingly appear in
Court and take the Oath appointed by Law, sign the Teste, and are sworn
Vestrymen of the Parrish aforesaid."

P. 343
10 Jan 1720; (John Poythres, Edmund Irby, Gilbert Way and William Harrison
chosen, sworn, etc. to appraise the Estate of Edward Goodrich;
Margaret Goodrich the Executrix is to return the Inventory).

P. 343
11 Jan 1720; (John Poythres present as gentl. justice).

P. 347
11 Jan 1720 (John Poythres present as gentl. justice).

P. 347
11 Jan 1720: For Wolves killed, [i. e. bounty] viz:
Name # killed lbs. Tobacco
awarded
Robert Poythres 1 100
Joshua Poythres 4 400
John Poythres 1 100
John Gilliam Junr 1 100
John Gilliam Senr 2 200
Richard Pace 1 100
(among others)

P. 349
14 Feb 1720; Adam Ivie returns into Court Estate of Elizabeth Ivie ordered
to be recorded. Present: John Hamlin, John Poythres, Robert Bolling.

P. 359
14 Feb 1720: Drury Stith Junr having a commission to be one of the
Surveyors of Brunswick County, he accordingly appears in Court, takes the
Offical Oath, signs the Teste and is sworn a Surveyor of the County
aforesaid.

P. 364
14 Mar 1720; The Last Will & Testament of Sampson Meredith dced was
presented into Court by Elizabeth Meredith his Executrix who made an oath
thereto and it being proven by the Oaths of Thomas Rogers and Robert Rogers
Witness thereto is admitted to record and on the motion of the said
Elizabeth Meredith certificate is granted her for obtaining of the said
Will in due form.		04/06/2001 5:05:24
Prince George Co, VA 1720-26 Surveys as Proxy CensusCharles Neal(JMP Revision 5 Apr
2001)


Prince George County, VA
Surveys as Proxy Census 1720-1726

Note: the following land surveys were extracted from the 1713-1728 Deeds
and Wills Book of Prince George County. Introductory comments in the index
implied that these surveys would represent a proxy census of Prince George
County, or at least, a census of the property holders. It is also inferred
that Surveys (or even "re-surveys) might have been taken in these years
resulting from an Act of Assembly in something resembling a "land census."

This document is likely flawed in several ways: first, by definition it
could only be a proxy census of landowners....anyone else was missed.
Second, the small quantity of these censuses make it questionable if a
sizable portion of the county was resurveyed. Second, it appears more
likely that these were random censuses ordered by the property holder for
his own reasons; not a "land census" which likely would not have taken six
years to complete.

Never-the-less, these census records are of value and are interesting to
compare to land still in the hands of Poythress family members when
Virginia began requiring (descriptive) land taxes 70 or so years later in
1792.

22 Mar 1720/1
To a survey for Capt. ffrancis Poythres on the upper or west side of
Butterwood Swamp. 387 acres. Rbt. Bolling, surveyor

23 Mar 1720/1
To a survey for John Woodleif on both sides of the upper Rocky Run of Stony
Creek. 212 acres. Rbt. Bolling, surveyor

12 Dec 1722
To a survey for Thomas Poythres on both sides of the upper Rocky Run on
Stony Creek. 248 acres. Rbt. Bolling, surveyor

13 Dec 1722
To a survey for William Poythres on both sides of the reedy branch of
Butterwood Swamp. 206 acres. Rbt. Bolling, surveyor

19 Dec 1722
To a survey for Robert Poythres, on the lower side of Butterwood Swamp
291 acres. Rbt. Bolling, surveyor

4 Jan 1726
To a survey for William Poythres, the forks of the reedy branch of
Butterwood Swamp. 343 acres. Rbt. Bolling, surveyor

4 Jan 1726
To a survey for Francis Poythres Junr on the upper side of Butterwood
Swamp. Rbt. Bolling, surveyor		04/06/2001 5:05:27
Prince George Co, VA 1787-92 Deeds & WillsCharles Neal(JMP
Revision 5 Apr 2001)

Prince George County, VA
Deeds & Wills 1787-1792

30 Feb 1787
Settlement of Estate of Alexander Robertson (p. 13-14, abstracted)
[note: this is a very complex document with numerous columns, headings and
subheadings]
Sums due to various persons (among others):
Cash to John Poythress
Cash to Joshua Poythress
To Ann Poythress Morison: 545 pounds
12 slaves
several houses, plantation items
June, 1783 (date written?)
Wit: Joshua Poythress
Richard Bland
Elizabeth Blair Bland


12 Apr 1787
Will of Elizabeth Poythress (P. 17, abstracted)
Elizabeth Poythress of Prince George County, widow of Peter Poythress
(deceased as well). In consideration of natural affection for daughter
Sally Lee and "to prevent any dispute which may happen in the construction
of my husband's will respecting the devise in the said will of Kate's
daughter 'Fanny' to my said daughter Sally Lee"..."which was in said will
devised to me...", I give my
said daughter Sally Lee the said Negro Fanny and her children Becky, Betty
and Kate and their increase...". "....my hand and seal the ___ day of
____,
1787.
Signed: Elizabeth Poythress (signed with a waxer)
Wit: John Batte, Tabitha Randolph, William Bingham

14 Apr 1787
At court held this date for Prince George County this foregoing deed from
Elizabeth Poythress to her daughter Sally Lee was proved by the oaths of
John Batte and William Bingham......by order of the court duly recorded.
Teste: C. S. Russell

12 Feb 1788
Will of Mary Poythress (abstracted and inclusive of related papers
transcribed) P. 111-12
Dear Sir:
Since writing to you yesterday it has ocurred to me that Tuesday next is
Prince George Court day and being too unwell to give my attendence at that
time imagine it may be necessary for Mrs. Poythress' will to be proved and
I shall be much obliged to you to inform Miss Susanna Poythress that I hope
she will save me from acting as an Excr being well satisfied from my state
of health added to the great distance I am from the Estate I shall be found
a very improper person to discharge that trust. As you mentioned to me
yesterday that I was the only surviving heir named in the will it may be
necessary that the court should be informed of my resignation which may be
done with this letter.

Miss Poythress, being of lawful age can become an Administrix with the will
as needed or get some friend that she can confide in to Administer, which
will be as effectual as if the Executor named in the will had qualified. I
am with every sentiment of respect,
Your Mo Ob
Sev,
Nicholas Faulcon
P. S Pray give Miss Poythress Monday morng 1st Feb 1788
this letter tomorrow as I expect
she will want her mother's Will
Proved on Tuesday.

At a Court held for Prince George County at the Court House on Friday the
12th day of February 1788 - the foregoing relinquishment of Nick Faulcon's
Right of Executorship in the Will of Mary Poythress dced was presented
into court by Susanna Poythress and being proved by William Poythress the
same is by Order of the Court truly (sic) Recorded.
Teste ---
C. A. Russell
Clk.


Will of Mary Poythress of Martin's Brandon Parish, County of Prince George
(abstracted):
To Wilmuth Harrison (daughter) as token of affection for her a plain gold
ring and a pair of gold sleeve buttons.

To my Daughter Susanna Poythress all the residue of and every species of
Property, etc. that I may die possessed of....home, cattle, sheep....my
portion of my (devisement?) from Peter Poythress' legacy by his will.

Constitute and appoint my friends Nicholas Faulcon (?), Peter Poythress and
Joshua Poythress to be executors.

Signed: Mary (X) Poythress

Wit: Dorothy Reed, Colin Cocke, Barbary J. Norton, Jos. [Joshua]
Poythress, Susanna Cocke.

12 Apr 1788
At a Court held for Prince George County at the Court House on Friday the
12th day of February 1788 - the foregoing will was presented into Court by
Susanna Poythress and being proved by the Oaths of Colin Cocke and Susanna
Cocke two of the Witnesses thereto, the same is by Order of Court truly
(sic) recorded - at the same time Susanna Poythress gave Bond and Security
for the faithfull administering on the Estate of Mary Poythress upon which
certificate is granted her for obtaining Letters of Administration with the
said Will annexed.
Teste -
C. A. Russell,
Clk.

5 Oct 1787
Deed for Lease (p. 114-115)
Mary Poythress of Prince George County, Martin's Brandon Parish
to
Daniel Sturdivant of Prince George County
Sum: 20 pounds
Land: 100 acres, 6 year lease.
Signed: Mary Poythress (seal)
Wit: Wm. Birchett, James Sturdivant, John Sturdivant, James Davenport.

8 Jun 1790
Deed (p. 362)
William Poythress Junr of Prince George County
to
Edward Marks, of the same county of the other part
Sum: 250 lbs.
Land: two tracts or parcells in Prince George County being the remainder
of
that tract of land in Blackwater Swamp known by the name of
"Poythress' quarter" (400 acres) and one tract lying South of the
Quaker's Road (30 acres).
Signed: William Poythress Junr
Wit: (blotted off page before microfilming)

8 Jun 1790
Bond (p. 362)
Acknowledges bond unto Edward Marks (1,000 lbs) to guarantee title of
above.
Signed: Peter Poythress

12 Jan 1790
Deed (p. 369)
William Poythress, Junior, Gentleman of County of Prince George
to
Robert Birchett of Prince George County
Sum: 300 pounds of lawful money of Virginia
Land: in Prince George County south side of Blackwater Swamp (no acreage
stated but description of boundaries is long and detailed).
Signed: William Poythress, Jr., William Harris
Wit: J. Williams, Samuel Vaughn, Wm. Birchett, Wm. Birchett junr.

10 Aug 1790
Will Proved (p. 403)
Will of John Morison, dated 19 Apr 1785, proved 10 Aug 1790
Wife: Ann Poythress Morison, whole estate. Makes reference that wife now
with child. To brother Alexander Morison, Plantation in Brunswick County
and Warren County, North Carolina. To five sisters (not named). Brother:
Theodorick Morison. Mentions land bought by his father of Ravenscroft.
Wife, Anne, and her father Richard Bland, Esq., with brother David Morison,
named as executors. Will proved by the oaths of Edmund Ruffin,
George Ruffin and John Batte, the witnesses thereto.
(abstract above courtesy of Carol A. Morrison)

26 July 1790
Articles of Agreement (p. 416)
Between William Poythress and Thomas Harris..
William Poythress has claimed an interest in a tract of land where said
Thomas Harris lives and the said William Poythress and Thomas Harris
being willing to settle the affair and affix the right title...
John Harris gives William Poythress title to a house sold by William
Poythress to Robert Birchett. House and land had been willed to William
Poythress by Peter Poythress that was sold unto Walter Munnery and
Nathanial Tatum.
Signed: William Poythress
Wit: Edward Marks, Nathaniel Mackay, Boswell Becking

2 Oct 1790
Deed (p. 422)
William Poythress and Mary his wife of Prince George County
to
William Samuel Peachey of Amelia County
Sum: 1,350 pounds current money of Virginia
Land: 300 acres, being Property along the James River in Prince George
County and being the lower part of the Plantation Flower=de=hundred whereon
Joshua Poythress the elder his late father lived and devised by will to the
said William Poythress.
Signed: William Poythress (Sealed with a Waxer)
Wit: Charles Duncan, William M. Carter

25 Feb 1790
Deed (p. 579)
William Poythress of Prince George County, son of Peter Poythress, late of
said county(dced)..
to
Christopher McConnice of Town of Petersburg
Sum: 400 pounds current money of Virginia
Land: parcell of land lying in Petersburg heretofore called Blandford and
distinguished on the plot or plan of said town as lot 52. Also, all the
low
grounds on the River of Appomattox lying between the said lot 52 and the
lot 53 to the boundary lines of lot 54 to Donald and Frazer, Merchants in
the town.
Signed: William Poythress
Wit: George Marable
Thomas Gardinor
Hamilton Burge

13 May 1790
Deed (P. 363) [note: both date and page number are questionable]
Elizabeth and Francis B. [Burrell?] Green, Exors to William Green
To
William Poythress, Jr.
Sum: blotted, "blotted...hundred and 74 pounds"
Land and other: completely blotted.

15 Aug 1790
Deed (P. 623-4)
John Baird and Charles Duncan excrs of Last Will and Testament of Robert
Boyd of the first part
&
William Mayo, excr of Last Will and Testament of Peter Poythress and
Elizabeth, the widow of said Peter Poythress of the second part
&
James Cureton of Prince George County of the third part

(Walter Boyd wills use of his house and lands in Blandford to his wife and
after her death she should leave it to his brother Robert Boyd and his
heirs forever. Shortly after the death of Walter Boyd, his widow quitted
the house and surrendered it to Robert Boyd. Robert, in his last will and
testament authorized his executors.....whereupon the said (John) Baird and
(Charles) Duncan sold to Peter Poythress. Peter, in his last will and
testament devised to his son-in-law William Mayo with consent of Elizabeth
his wife. Whereupon, the said William Mayo with approval of Peter's widow
Elizabeth, sold the houses and land to James Cureton).
Sum: 900 pounds Current Money of Virginia
Signed:
John Baird dced excr Charles Duncan
William Mayo
Elizabeth Poythress
Wit:
John Thweatt for William Mayo
John Batte as to William Mayo
Edmund Hanson for Baird & Duncan
Jos. Weisiger for Baird & Duncan
Jno. Baird Junr for estate and Baird & Duncan
Jos. Weisiger for Mrs. Elizabeth Poythress
John Baird for Mrs. Elizabeth Poythress
Robert Stuart for Mrs. Elizabeth Poythress

11 Oct 1791
Deed (p. 623-4)
John Baird & Charles Duncan
&
William Mayo and Elizabeth Poythress
&
James Cureton
(Court confirms above).

2 Aug 1791
(p. 558)
Gentlemen: As I conceive it more consistent with my
interests to renounce the will of my deceased husband and to claim the
benefit of my dower in his estate I beg leave to notify you of this my
desire and humbly hope that your worships in your judicial capacity at our
next court will make such order as you in your wisdom shall seem consistent
with Law and my interest. I am with due respect your worshipful most
obedient servant.
Ann P. [Poythress] Morison
Witness
William Poythress junr
Geo Ruffin

This letter of renunciation of Ann P. Morison to any interest in her dced
husband's will was presented into Court and proved by the Oaths of William
Poythress junr and George Ruffin the witnesses through and by order of the
Court is truly (sic) recorded.

Teste Peter Williams clk


About Sept 1791
(p. 622)
Deed
Elizabeth Poythress
to
(remainder of document illegible)

2 Oct 1790
(p. 643)
Right of Dower Release
Commonwealth of Virginia & Peter Epes
Edwards Island and Edmund Shores
Re Deed of
William Poythress and his wife Mary in the conveyance of 400 acres
to
William Samuel Peachey.
This document is conventional order of the court to executors to examine
Mary Poythress apart from her husband William to ascertain that she is
indeed releasing her dower rights for the sale of this property (inasmuch
as
"said Mary cannot travel to the county court").

Court finds that release of dower was properly obtained and court certifies
the right to sell this property. (Teste: Peter Williams)

25 Feb 1791
(p. 579)
Commonwealth of Virginia
to
Peter Epes and Pleasant Cocke

Whereas, William Poythress, son of Peter Poythress dced
to
Christopher McConnice
Land and house in Blandford Town of Petersburg
(William Poythress, by death of his father (Peter) to whom he is
heir-at-law, the above (Epes and Cocke) are instructed to determine if
Elizabeth Poythress, wife of Peter, surrenders dower rights.

9 May 1792
(p. 680)
Deed
William Poythress of the Parish of Martin's Brandon, Prince George Co.
To
James Cureton of the same "parish and county aforesaid."
Sum: Lb. 102.5
Land: 103 acres (otherwise undescribed)
Court so orders 11 May 1792, Teste: Peter Williams, Clk. P. G. County

9 May 1792
(p. 681)
Deed
James Cureton of the Parish of Martin's Brandon, Prince George County
To
William Poythress, of the parish and county aforesaid
Sum: Lb. 102.5
Land: 80 1/2 acres (otherwise undescribed)
Court so orders 11 May 1792, Teste: Peter Williams, Clk. P. G. County

(note for above: it appears that William Poythress and James Cureton were
in effect swapping pieces of land and perhaps the identical sum of money
changing hands was to "establish" that the transaction involved separate
purchases).		04/06/2001 5:05:28
Dinwiddie Co, VA 1787-1810 Land TaxesCharles NealDinwiddie County Land Taxes (JMP Revision 4/6/2001)

Year Individual
Acres

1787 Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood
1000

324

404

1788 Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood
1000

324

404

1789 Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood
1000

324

404

1790 (illegible)

1791 Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood
1000

324

404

1792 Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood
1000

324

404

1793 Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood
1000

404
(find deed for the 300 acres)

1794 Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood
1000

404

1795 Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood
1000

404

1796 Poythress, Peter
1000
Poythress, Francis
100

(find deed for Peter's 404 acres and Francis' 100 acres)

1797 Poythress, Peter
1000
Poythress, Francis
100

1798 Poythress, Peter
1000
Poythress, Francis
100

1800 Poythress, Peter
1000
Poythress, Francis
100

1801 Poythress, Peter
1000
Poythress, Francis
100

1802 Poythress, Peter
1000
Poythress, Francis
100

1803 Poythress, Peter
1000
Poythress, Francis
100

1804 (illegible)

1805 Poythress, Peter
1000
Poythress, Francis
100

1806 Poythress, Peter
1000
Poythress, Francis
100

1807 Poythress, Peter
1000
Poythress, Francis
100

1808 No report

1809 No report

1810 No report

(No further records on microfilm)

Transcribed at Clayton Genealogical Library,
Houston, TX 22 Mar 2001 J. M. P.		04/06/2001 5:19:47
Natl. Genealogical SocietyThe 2001 NGS Conference in the States will be held in Portland, Oregon 16-19
May,
2001.

Since he is too modest to say it himself.....congratulations, Craig Scott,
for once again being selected to be one of the distinguished lecturers!

Maynard		04/06/2001 6:24:46
BPN Re-postsHey, Barb, NEAT idea. Since AOL clamps me down at about 2.5MB per e-mail
itself and zips all attachments in excess of that.....its a neat idea for you
to re--post to the list "in the clear" and "inside the e-mail" (as apparently
Compuserve allows you to do with a much higher size threshhold than AOL).

And even better, when Compuserver "scans" the stuff to e-mail it doesn't
trash up the spacing to some intolerable level as many other servers do. I
guess the only potential downside is if some member's OWN server trashes up
the spacing badly.

Anyway, in future I'll only send this stuff to the list and "my" list and you
can repost for the others if that's okay.....looks like a better method than
the one I dreamed up.

Maynard		04/07/2001 6:00:09
BPN Re-postsCharles NealMaynard,

Glad you approve. I'll be glad to continue re-posting stuff that way
whenever you send it to me. It makes it so handy to have it in the List
Archives, as an always-available back-up storage site for all of us. With
an internet connection to our Archives, we can consult previous documents
when we've gone to some other research location, for example, and don't
want to duplicate work that has already been done.

I think the fact that the documents each become small enough to fit into
becoming a free-standing message, is only due to changing the document from
a Word document to a pure "text" document. With a r-e-a-l-l-y long
document, I would no doubt hit CompuServe's limit on the length of the
message, too. (I know it has a limit, because I have hit that limit before
when attempting to copy bunches of stuff into one message.)

And I think the not-messing-up of the spacing actually occurs before I copy
the file into CompuServe's blank email message field, when I am actually in
Word.

For the benefit of anyone wanting to do a similar thing with any other
document, here is the cookbook version of what I'm doing:
- first have the document open in Word (unzipping the file if necessary)

- second (if that document hasn't already been saved on my computer where
I want it to be filed) I hit "Save As" and give it a Word file name, ending
in ".doc" and make sure it is saving it where I want it to be
- third, I print out the document & write the file name on the upper
corner
- fourth, hit "Save As" a *second time* and this time in the "file type"
box at the bottom, I select "text only" and that changes the file name that
I chose immediately above into the same named file except ending in ".txt"
- close the document (this step may not be essential, but I find it
helpful since the appearance of the document on the screen hasn't changed
yet)
- "Open" the ".txt" version of the document & briefly look over the
document that now shows on the screen in pure text like we normally see in
our emails (to make sure it looks okay)
- hold down the "Control" key & hit the letter "A" to block the entire
document
- hold down the "Alt" key & hit the letter "E" for Edit & then select "C"
for copying that entire blocked document
- go to my email program (in my case CompuServe) & open a new blank
message & address it to the List with a message title that is descriptive
of what the file/message is
- in the message-content field, put my cursor and hold down the "Alt" key
& hit the letter "E" for Edit & then select "P" for pasting the entire
blocked document into that message field

This way, when folks receive the message/file, they can just "save" the
message wherever they want it on their own computer, giving the file
whatever name they want it to have. Then if they wish to fancy-it-up some,
they can re-open it in Word & make the font one they like better, & make
titles bigger, etc.

Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)


----------------------- Internet Header --------------------------------
Sender: POYTHRESS-L-request@rootsweb.com
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 12:00:09 EDT
Subject: BPN Re-posts
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Hey, Barb, NEAT idea. Since AOL clamps me down at about 2.5MB per e-mail
itself and zips all attachments in excess of that.....its a neat idea for
you to re--post to the list "in the clear" and "inside the e-mail" (as
apparently Compuserve allows you to do with a much higher size threshhold
than AOL).

And even better, when Compuserver "scans" the stuff to e-mail it doesn't
trash up the spacing to some intolerable level as many other servers do. I
guess the only potential downside is if some member's OWN server trashes up
the spacing badly.

Anyway, in future I'll only send this stuff to the list and "my" list and
you can repost for the others if that's okay.....looks like a better method
than the one I dreamed up.

Maynard		04/07/2001 7:36:31
Naming PatternsDiana DiamondA query for you old hands out there. Any thoughts on how to use names of
ancestors to find areas of possible interest for finding the next generation
back, particularly in Virginia. Maynard, Craig, Barbara, Lou, Lyn?

I came across this quote recently to explain an ancestor's background where
good records don't exist, "It seems to have been the universal pattern to
name the first son after the father's father and the second son after the
mother's father."

I find in an ancestor's family after the civil war there are a lot of middle
names that don't seem to exist in the family tree. Could these names have
been in honor of civil war buddies, good friends, very remote ancestors?

I came across this as pattern for German ancestors, who I also learn were
fond of giving everyone one saint's name, which finally made clear why
everyone had four names.

Pattern A

1st son after the father's father
2nd son after the mother's father
3rd son after the father
4th son after the father's father's father
5th son after the mother's father's father
6th son after the father's mother's father
7th son after the mother's mother's father

1st daughter after the mother's mother
2nd daughter after the father's mother
3rd daughter after the mother
4th daughter after the father's father's mother
5th daughter after the mother's father's mother
6th daughter after the father's mother's mother
7th daughter after the mother's mother's mother


Pattern B

The pattern B for the sons is the same as the above
but this pattern for daughters was different

1st daughter after the father's mother
2nd daughter after the mother's mother
3rd daughter after the mother
4th daughter after the mother's father's mother
5th daughter after the father's father's mother


Pattern C

1st son after the father's father
2nd son after the mother's father
3rd son after the father's oldest brother
4th son after the father

1st daughter after the father's mother
2nd daughter after the mother's mother
3rd daughter after the mother's oldest sister
4th daughter after the mother

Diana		04/07/2001 9:21:51
Naming patternsLou PooleNames are, of course, important clues, and particularly when a family
used one of those odd "signature" names that passed down through the
generations (which, unfortunately, our Poythress family did not -- to
my knowledge).

But one has to be very wary of the so-called "naming pattern rules"
that get propagated from time to time among genealogy circles. David
Hackett Fischer in his "Albion's Seed" (heartily recommended, BTW)
discusses the cultures of the four major groups that came to America
from England: the New England Puritans/Calvinists, the Pennsylvania
Quakers, the Virginia Cavaliers (Anglicans), and the (he calls them)
"borderers" (or Scots-Irish/Presbyterians). ALL USED DISTINCTLY
DIFFERENT PATTERNS (when they used them at all). The proper name of
the subject is "Onomastics," or naming ways. One should also note
that the differentiation is as much correlated with the religious
beliefs of the people, as their culture, which is not surprising since
they were so intertwined anyway

Fischer makes the point, though, that the so-called naming patterns
among these groups was certainly no hard, fast rule, and in his study
is only correlatible to about 40-60%. That tells us that even if we
know to which group a particular family belongs, the onomastics can
only be considered a clue, and not a particularly good one.

Quoting a few relevant sentences: "Only about half of all forenames
in the Chesapeake colony [Virginia] came from the Scriptures, compared
with 90 percent in New England..." "Virginians preferred to name
their sons after Teutonic warriors, Frankish knights and English
kings. Special favorites included William, Robert, Richard, Edward,
George and Charles..." "The daughters of Virginia received the names
of Christian saints who did not appear in the Bible and also
traditional English folk names -- Margaret, Jane, Catherine, Frances
and Alice -- as well as the universal English favorites of Mary,
Elizabeth, Anne and Sarah." [p. 307]

"The onomastic system was also distinctive in the descent of names.
In Massachusetts, as we have seen, eldest children were named after
their parents, and younger children after grandparents and other
relatives. That pattern was reversed in Virginia: first-born children
were named for their grandparents, and second-born for parents. One
study of naming patterns in Middlesex County, Virginia, finds that
only 27 percent of eldest sons and 19 percent of first-born daughters
were given their parents' forenames, compared with more than 67
percent in Massachusetts. But 60 percent of eldest sons in Virginia
received their grandparents' names, compared with 37 percent in
Massachusetts..." [p. 308]

"Complex patterns of cousin naming also appeared in Virginia, as they
also did among the gentry of the south of England. Lateral ties were
added to linear ties, to create a complex grid of naming customs..."
[p. 310]

"The naming of children was not entirely determined by this calculus
of social rank and material interest. Names were also chosen for
magical properties. Astrologers were consulted in an attempt to find
a fortunate name. The 'fortune books' of the first gentlemen of
England and Virginia were full of astrological lore on this question.
This search for a lucky name tempered the use of necronyms in this
culture. The Virginians, like New Englanders, tended to repeat
forenames whenever children died. But they did so with some
reluctance, for when children died young, their fathers feared to use
names which had seemed unlucky.." [p. 310]

That should be enough to warn one off of depending too much on naming
patterns. But I'll also touch on the Quaker and Scots-Irish patterns:

"Unlike New England Puritans, Quakers named their first-born children
after grandparents. Unlike Virginia Anglicans, they were careful to
honor maternal and paternal lines in an even-handed way..." [p. 503]

"In another respect, however, backcountry naming customs were not
unique. The descent of names from one generation to the next was very
similar to the folkways of Virginia and the south of England, but
different from Puritan and Quaker customs. Eldest sons in the
backcountry tended to be named after grandfathers, and second or third
sons after fathers, much as tidewater Chesapeake families..."

The naming pattern that Diana cited was clearly, then, one from New
England (where rules were rules and everybody better d____ follow
them! NOT! )

Hope that gives some insight into this subject.

Lou		04/07/2001 10:21:36
Re sons and daughters, etc.Diana.....I have used that naming pattern "formula" just enough to find out
it gets me in trouble....only safe way to me seems to go at it
backwards.;..if the formula says the guys name "ought to be" Joe then you
look for Joes....and if Joe doesn't pop right out toting his own "proof" just
forget it. Besides, I was confused as to just what ethnic group or
nationality it was supposed to apply to......several different ones have
claimed "exclusive rights"; the Welsh most loudly.

I'm about ready to deep six my inoperable HP Scanner after having every
super-geek in the world to look at it. Lo and behold in comes this months
issue of Consumer Reports giving best buy rating to a $65 Agfa jobbie that
also has OCR (provided the "copy" is "type" and assuming one has sense enough
to learn how to use it) which is a real plus. Also interesting that the best
buy guy was only 300 dpi and CU says there is not a nickels worth of
difference that the average eye can tell.

Part of my xerox collection out of W&M Quarterly are four or five 5-page
studies from Dr. Hall titled, for example, "A Study of the William
Poythresses". As we have discovered, Dr. Hall's studies are often flawed by
his lack of information available in the quantity we have it. However, it
strikes me that these will open some doors for us. Soon as I can get cranked
up I'll start on it, having finished off the PG in Clayton.

Maynard		04/07/2001 12:45:20
Dinwiddie Co, VA Land Taxes 1787-1810, rev.Charles NealDinwiddie County, VA Land Taxes (BPN Revision 4/8/2001)
(revised by adding dittos & eliminating many tabs, so columns will not be
confusing with various email programs)

Year Individual, Acres

1787 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000
" 324
" 404

1788 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000
" 324
" 404

1789 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000
" 324
" 404

1790 (illegible)

1791 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000
" 324
" 404

1792 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000
" 324
" 404

1793 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000
" 404
(find deed for the 324 acres; this "324" rev by BPN from "300")

1794 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000
" 404

1795 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000
"404

1796 - Poythress, Peter, 1000
Poythress, Francis, 100
(find deed for Peter's 404 acres and Francis' 100 acres)

1797 - Poythress, Peter, 1000
Poythress, Francis, 100

1798 - Poythress, Peter, 1000
Poythress, Francis, 100

1800 - Poythress, Peter, 1000
Poythress, Francis, 100

1801 - Poythress, Peter, 1000
Poythress, Francis, 100

1802 - Poythress, Peter, 1000
Poythress, Francis, 100

1803 - Poythress, Peter, 1000
Poythress, Francis, 100

1804 (illegible)

1805 - Poythress, Peter, 1000
Poythress, Francis, 100

1806 - Poythress, Peter, 1000
Poythress, Francis, 100

1807 - Poythress, Peter, 1000
Poythress, Francis, 100

1808 No report

1809 No report

1810 No report

(No further records on microfilm)

Transcribed at Clayton Genealogical Library,
Houston, TX 22 Mar 2001 J. M. P.		04/08/2001 4:43:19
Re: Naming PatternsWillow Bend BooksMy experience is that with the exception of the 16th and 17th century
Scottish and the occasional German, folks pretty much do what they want to
when it comes to naming. There are no universals such as this in genealogy.
It is a nice tool that will send you down the wrong trail more often than
not.

One of my ancestors named all of his children after is neighbors. That was
kind of cool, but it was just in one generation.

C.

Craig R. Scott, CGRS

Willow Bend Books
65 East Main Street
Westminster, MD 21157-5026
WillowBend@willowbend.net
www.WillowBendBooks.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Diana Diamond"
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 3:21 PM
Subject: Naming Patterns


> A query for you old hands out there. Any thoughts on how to use names of
> ancestors to find areas of possible interest for finding the next
generation
> back, particularly in Virginia. Maynard, Craig, Barbara, Lou, Lyn?
>
> I came across this quote recently to explain an ancestor's background
where
> good records don't exist, "It seems to have been the universal pattern to
> name the first son after the father's father and the second son after the
> mother's father."
>
> I find in an ancestor's family after the civil war there are a lot of
middle
> names that don't seem to exist in the family tree. Could these names have
> been in honor of civil war buddies, good friends, very remote ancestors?
>
> I came across this as pattern for German ancestors, who I also learn were
> fond of giving everyone one saint's name, which finally made clear why
> everyone had four names.
>
> Pattern A
>
> 1st son after the father's father
> 2nd son after the mother's father
> 3rd son after the father
> 4th son after the father's father's father
> 5th son after the mother's father's father
> 6th son after the father's mother's father
> 7th son after the mother's mother's father
>
> 1st daughter after the mother's mother
> 2nd daughter after the father's mother
> 3rd daughter after the mother
> 4th daughter after the father's father's mother
> 5th daughter after the mother's father's mother
> 6th daughter after the father's mother's mother
> 7th daughter after the mother's mother's mother
>
>
> Pattern B
>
> The pattern B for the sons is the same as the above
> but this pattern for daughters was different
>
> 1st daughter after the father's mother
> 2nd daughter after the mother's mother
> 3rd daughter after the mother
> 4th daughter after the mother's father's mother
> 5th daughter after the father's father's mother
>
>
> Pattern C
>
> 1st son after the father's father
> 2nd son after the mother's father
> 3rd son after the father's oldest brother
> 4th son after the father
>
> 1st daughter after the father's mother
> 2nd daughter after the mother's mother
> 3rd daughter after the mother's oldest sister
> 4th daughter after the mother
>
> Diana
>
>
>
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>
>
>		04/08/2001 7:38:30
Re: Poythress WebsiteWillow Bend BooksWould someone who has this connection get in touch with Gene and tell him
about the mailing list and the website.

Please.

C.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene M. Ransom, Jr."
To:
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:01 AM
Subject: Poythress Website


> Hi Craig
>
> When we spoke at the VGS program, you said that you would send me the
> url for the Poythress website. I am the Gene Ransom who is related to
> the Richard Ransom who married Kezziah Portis in Granville County later
> Franklin county NC
>
> Thanks
>
> Gene
>		04/09/2001 3:18:11
Re: Naming PatternsDiana DiamondThank you, Lou, Maynard, Craig, for shedding such erudite light on naming
patterns.

I figured there was less here than meets the eye, but in some ways, the
discussion indicated there may be more here than I had figured.

I was particularly interested in Lou's contrast between the New England
colonials and the Virginia colonials, particularly as I have some of each.
The history of naming is interesting even if it doesn't help the search. I
shall certainly look up the book mentioned.

But Craig's mention of the random family where parents just name their
children after friends/neighbors is true also in my family. An uncle writes
(in correspondence discovered recently) that he was named after his parents'
best man.

I guess I may never know why my great granddaddy, fresh from the CSA army,
named his children the way he did. That the Welsh have been credited with a
naming system was, of course, also news to me.

Please see the email that follows for another naming question I've been
pondering.

Diana



04/09/2001 10:57:40
Re: The P-1 Family of RBBDiana Diamond#10 Whence the Bolling in R. Bolling Batte's name? What does it mean for
Peter (Flowerdew Hundred) Poythress's wife?

I also have been working on another intriguing name puzzle. Where did the
Bolling in R. Bolling's name come from? Tentative conclusion: he never
knew. Since RBB did some work in the 1960s for my mother with his daughter
(I remembered her at one time to be a niece), I have had a number of
questions, but two special questions: How is it he has so much information
on my ancestors? Why did he once think that my ancestor Peter Poythress was
married to a Bolling descendant of Jane Poythress? Why did he back off this
notion in the Chart A in 1997. Why is there no mention of it in his index
cards?

? BOLLING

In answer to the first question, I discover by working out Batte's own
genealogy, that we share many ancestors, and many of his ancestors we don't
share have surnames names similar to my own Virginia ancestors. What a
fortunate coincidence for me!

On the Bolling question, I see that Robert Bolling Batte bears the identical
name to his grandfather. That Robert Bolling Batte was born September 05,
1842 His father was John Henry Batte, son of Mary Poythress and John Batte.
Mary Poythress's parents were first cousins once removed.

Mary was the daughter of Peter Poythress (Robert, John, Francis Poythress
Immigrant)

Mary's mother was Elizabeth Bland (whose mother Anne Poythress was the
daughter of Peter Poythress (of Flowerdew Hundred) and ______?______)(?
Bolling) (later Anne__),this Peter being another son of John Poythress, son
of Francis Poythress immigrant). This Anne Mr. Batte indicates was a widow,
but I haven't deciphered the meaning of the initials he gives us on the
index card (BRR). See Poythress Card 140.
[http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html]

In essence all the ancestors are worked out for three generations and then
some. There are no Bollings. I suspect also RBB, the genealogist, had a
family legend that they were descended from Pocahontas. As you know, there
were a whole lot of so-called "White Bollings." If one were to find a place
for a Bolling in Mr. Batte's family tree, the wife of Peter Poythress seems
the best bet.

I figure that Batte looked for confirmation, but finding none, stopped
attaching Mrs. Peter Poythress to the Bolling family. This is, of course,
conjecture.

I will send a copy in chart form of the ancestry of Robert Bolling Batte
1842-1915 on request. As you all know, rootsweb doesn't permit attachments.


Diana		04/09/2001 11:06:24
BollingsDiana.....you are not alone in looking askance at Mr. Batte in this regard.

As recently as 3 years ago some agitated soul was running monthly ads in "The
Helper":

$100 Reward. For anyone who can help
me expose the treacherous falsehoods
foisted on the genealogy community BY
the Bolling family and its non-connections to
Pocahontas.

.....or something pretty close to that, I didn't make a copy of it. Why
didn't R. Bolling Batte just cinch down that connection via the Bolling
people rather than the Poythresses (unless he was trying to do it on both
sides of the line). Robertson (who is not without his own problems) made the
Bolling connection for him and its my reading that the Bolling side of
Robertson was never particularly questioned, it was the Jane Poythress
connection that was in mild dispute.

And further, even if he believed in "the Jane line" what was Batte doing
going down the patrimonial Poythress lines? That wouldn't take him anywhere,
would it?

I called this one hopeless a while back. If the answer is about to come to
light its my guess that a million people want to know it.

Maynard		04/10/2001 5:42:37
Jamestown RevisitedTry: http://www.cnn.com/US/9911/27/jamestown.revisited/index.html#1

Neat article w/pics on new archaeological stuff going on at Jamestown.

Maynard		04/10/2001 6:16:43
Website & Discussion GroupHi Gene.

Craig Scott asked that one of us forward to you these addresses:

Poythress website: http:www1/minn.net/~atims/ (and yes, that's a "1" in
there with www.

To subscribe to listserver (digest form): Poythress-d-request@rootsweb.com.

Also, I am sure that one of our listserver members has Kizziah Portis in his
or her line and if you want to check the rootsweb archives
(http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl) it is likely you'll pick
it up.

We will be delighted to have you subscribe and then simply hop on line with
an e-mail saying who you are and what you're looking for. We have about 50+
subscribers. All, of course, are not active but we have a high percentage
who are.

Welcome,

Maynard Poythress		04/10/2001 6:36:58
Virginia Ellen PortisThis notice found in online Saltville, Virginia newspaper
Smyth county (SW Va)
Notices for April 4, 2001 Part III


Virginia Ellen Portis died April 3, 2001

Jane
A Virginian living in Florida		04/11/2001 4:12:35
Re: Dinwiddie Co, VA Land Taxes 1787-1810, rev.Charles NealDear All,

A question that I just received, reminded me that I should've been more
explicit when I tried to eliminate the tabs in Maynard's earlier document &
send it in text format in the email.

The question was: "Barb, I have forgotten, what do the 324 and 404
signify?"[see below from original email]

Answer: acres. Basically the different plots of lands that anyone owned
were listed according to how many acres were in each of his plot. So, from
the beginning of the original email below, that means Col. Peter Poythress
had 3 plots of land, one that contained 1,000 acres; another containing 324
acres; and the last containing 404 acres.

Hope this clarifies it all, not just for now, but also for our later
reference in the List-Archives.

Happy Easter to all,
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)
= = = =

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Neal"
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 7:43 AM
Subject: Dinwiddie Co, VA Land Taxes 1787-1810, rev.

> Dinwiddie County, VA Land Taxes (BPN Revision 4/8/2001)
> (revised by adding dittos & eliminating many tabs, so columns will not be
> confusing with various email programs)
>
> Year Individual, Acres
>
> 1787 - Col. Peter Poythress, Butterwood, 1000
> " 324
> " 404
>		04/13/2001 12:24:24
Long DistanceGee, Sheryl, buying the AT&T card was a terrific idea except its even better
than you said it was. One can buy AT&T cards at Sam's for 4.1/cents a
minute. All the "demoninations" are the same 4.1 cents. Technically, you
can "recharge" them by phoning AT&T but you wouldn't want to do that as the
"re-charge" bumps you up to a dime a minute or something like that.

And, if you have speed dial as most of us two with two lines to run an extra
one on a modem, you can program in your access number and your account number
and not wait time dialing a million numbers.

Only downside is practically nothing: they bump you a couple of extra minutes
if you phone from a payphone.

Thanks again. Neat idea. Adios, AOL with your new $1 per call access,
obviously AOL wanted to exit the business as are many others nowadays.

Maynard		04/22/2001 7:26:15
Cousins' War: reading suggestionDiana DiamondMaynard,

Regarding your lecture # 142 wherein you apparently lay out the north and
south as replaying the English Civil war in America, I am just now reading a
very nice book, "The Cousins' War" by Kevin Phillips (Published 1999 Basic
Books) which would seem a natural for genealogists. If you have other
reading suggestions, I would appreciate them.

In his book, Mr. Phillips discusses the origins within Britain of American
immigrant waves to the north and the south in the US. He sees the
Revolutionary War as well as the Civil War as deeply rooted in the religious
and political origins of the Brits who immigrated. Early on he states his
intent to discuss British and American history together and not as two
distinct histories. I haven't gotten too far in my reading, but already I
have been quite impressed with the maps and details. He also quotes
Churchill briefly, as you did.

Diana		04/30/2001 11:03:16
Reading suggestion - ALBION'S SEEDLyn BairdDiana, this sounds very interesting. I always enjoy seeing how the
events and choices of one period have their effects in later periods. I
also enjoy putting a cultural context around my know ancestry. It
appears this book would appeal to these interests.

Along the same lines, I could recommend ALBION'S SEED, FOUR BRITISH
FOLKWAYS IN AMERICA (David Hackett Fischer, Oxford University Press,
1989) which I am now reading. (This was a 2000 Christmas gift, so I know
it was at least then still in print.) Fischer traces four distinct
British migrations to America - the Puritans, the Cavaliers, the Quakers
and the "British Borderers" - the last being a people most of us think of
as the Scotch-Irish. Per Fischer, these were four very distinct
cultures, each originating from a distinct area of Britain, and the book
analyzes the significantly different behaviors toward family, religion,
government, liberties and so forth. These four cultures have left
strong, enduring and often competing legacies that survive even to the
present. Simplistically, in this context, our Civil War would have
pitted a culture dominated by Borderers and Cavaliers against one
dominated by Puritans and Quakers. Together with your earlier
recommendation, GENERATIONS by Strauss and Howe, I am finding ALBION'S
SEED to be a must-read for getting a meaningful context of colonial
America and its legacy.

Thanks for the recommendation. Keep those suggestions coming, and I will
do the same. -lpb

On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:03:16 -0400 "Diana Diamond"
writes:
> Maynard,
>
> Regarding your lecture # 142 wherein you apparently lay out the
> north and
> south as replaying the English Civil war in America, I am just now
> reading a
> very nice book, "The Cousins' War" by Kevin Phillips (Published 1999
> Basic
> Books) which would seem a natural for genealogists. If you have
> other
> reading suggestions, I would appreciate them.
>
> In his book, Mr. Phillips discusses the origins within Britain of
> American
> immigrant waves to the north and the south in the US. He sees the
> Revolutionary War as well as the Civil War as deeply rooted in the
> religious
> and political origins of the Brits who immigrated. Early on he
> states his
> intent to discuss British and American history together and not as
> two
> distinct histories. I haven't gotten too far in my reading, but
> already I
> have been quite impressed with the maps and details. He also quotes
> Churchill briefly, as you did.
>
> Diana
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Albion's SeedDiana DiamondLyn, it seems that WillowBendBooks has copies, should you wish to suggest a
source for your friends. I'll probably order it after I finish Cousins'
Wars. Incidentally, I forgot the last "s" in my suggestion. Cousins' Wars
traces the origins of the Revolutionary War as well as the closely following
War of 1812 (7 years war) and the War Between the States.

"The Isles -A History" by Norman Davies is what our fearless leader Maynard
seems to be reading when he takes time out from his Derby day preparations.


Diana


It costs $26.00 + $4.00 shipping.

Willow Bend Books
65 East Main Street
Westminster, MD 21157-5026
WillowBend@willowbend.net
www.WillowBendBooks.com		05/04/2001 8:09:12
RE: Albion's SeedLou PooleThere's some excellent reading being mentioned, and it all helps
greatly with understanding the cultures.

I'm still struggling my way through "Cousins' War," but have finished
"Albion's Seed" and "The Isles" some time ago. Those three books
really do complement each other. If someone wants to take on a
reading project, I'd recommend that they be read in the following
order:

1. Albion's Seed
2. Cousins' War
3. The Isles

I found "Albion's Seed" to be an excellent broad-brush treatment of
the four primary cultures imported into America at an early date, and
which influenced so much of our history and culture down to this date.
I did think, though, that the authors was rather condescending with
his treatment of "the borderers" -- basing far too much of this group
on traditions handed down in Appalachia (really a sub-culture of the
Scots-Irish, and not totally representative of the whole). I also
think the author of "Cousins' War" has far too much of a Connecticut
Yankee's spin on his version of history, but this is perhaps better
understood when "Albion's Seed" is read first. "The Isles" is just
outstanding and gives a non-Anglo (the author explains) view of the
history of England-Scotland-Ireland-Wales, without the
Anglo-eccentricity (and explains very adequately how this mind-set has
biased a lot of "British" history and culture).

But if you want another suggestion for good reading that is a bit
closer to home for the Poythress group, you might enjoy "The Fabulous
History of the Dismal Swamp Company." It, too, is something of an
eye-opener, and the focus of this history is right in the veritable
back-yard of the early Poythress family.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Diamond [mailto:DiamondDPC@erols.com]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 1:09 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Albion's Seed


Lyn, it seems that WillowBendBooks has copies, should you wish to
suggest a
source for your friends. I'll probably order it after I finish
Cousins'
Wars. Incidentally, I forgot the last "s" in my suggestion. Cousins'
Wars
traces the origins of the Revolutionary War as well as the closely
following
War of 1812 (7 years war) and the War Between the States.

"The Isles -A History" by Norman Davies is what our fearless leader
Maynard
seems to be reading when he takes time out from his Derby day
preparations.


Diana


It costs $26.00 + $4.00 shipping.

Willow Bend Books
65 East Main Street
Westminster, MD 21157-5026
WillowBend@willowbend.net
www.WillowBendBooks.com


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The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/		05/04/2001 8:55:17
LeesDiana, the Lees are indeed a fascinating bunch. I'm not sure if I have
posted this quotation before. We do have one Lee connection and that is with
Marse Robert's libidinous uncle, "Squire" Richard Lee. This is recounted
with some whimsy in the recent book "The Lees of Virginia" by Paul Nagel:

"By now, the squire's personal life may have grown so notorious as to hinder
his forays toward marriage--perhaps his habits had been a handicap all along.
In 1773, when Richard was well past forty, a close friend sent a
confidential report to the Squire's cousins: 'He looks fresh and hearty; and
is, I'm afraid, as lewdly indulgent as ever, from the appearance of his
waiting maids, Bab and Henny.' The sight of the Squire's black concubines
brought a lascivious prediction: ' If ever he marries, you may depend on it
(as I told him the other day), it will be with some mop-squeezer who can
satiate his filthy amours in his own way."

"It was not to be. At the close of the Revolution, the squire found a wife,
making a match no family member might have foreseen. Beyond age sixty,
Richard brought as a bride to Lee Hall a sixteen year old first cousin known
for her beauty. Her name was Sally Poythress. She was a granddaughter and
he a grandson of Richard Bland. Before the Squire died in 1795, just short
of seventy, he had fathered four lawful children".

I suppose if one can have only an indirect relation to General Lee, it least
it's fun to have one that is spicy and "lascivious" 🙂

Maynard		05/06/2001 5:17:36
Woodmen of the WorldSomeone recently posted a list of organizations one might contact for
biographical data on individuals. One of the organizations was Woodmen of
the World, popular as a burial society around the turn of the 20th century
and still a going concern.

Since I knew my grandfather's gravestone was one of those "tree" replica
monuments of the W.O.W, I wrote asking if they had biographical data. They
said they needed name, dates of birth and death, and location, all of which I
had and all of which I sent them. Their reply:

Subj: Records Search Response for Horace C Poythress
Date: 5/1/01 10:13:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:    Records@woodmen.com
To:    vkratliff@aol.com, Records@woodmen.com

Name:  Horace C Poythress
Date of Birth:  01/21/1867
Date of Death:  06/06/1918
Policy was issued on:  11/17/1916  at the age of  50
City and State:  Sylvania,Ga
Occupation:  Farmer
Death Claim was paid on:  05/09/1919
Monument was issued on:  05/01/1920
Camp Number:  645
Camp State:  Ga
Since the death claim was paid, the applicant for membership and the death
claim are no longer a part of our records.

Thank you for your inquiry.
For information about our fraternal organization, please access our web
site:  www.woodmen.com.
------------------------------------------------

In my case, they didn't tell me anything significant that I didn't already
know. However, if you are looking at a death date in early 20th century and
are missing a few precise details, this might be a source worth checking.
Ironically, once they pay the claim, they apparently no longer retain the
orginal application and the claim which are the two documents most likely to
have something one didn't already know.

However, I'm sharing it for what its worth.

Maynard		05/08/2001 9:27:41
For finding your other ancestorsDiana DiamondThis is a URL to make a note of if you have ancestors who came through Ellis
Island and maybe others too. It is so popular that it made the evening news
last week. If you actually get through to some information, consider
yourself lucky.

http://www.ellisislandrecords.org


Diana





05/09/2001 4:40:15
Virus/worm alertCharles NealJust got in an alert from someone who should know, about a new, bad, email
virus/worm:

> warning: do not to open an e-mail labeled "HOMEPAGE" or ending with a
> .vbs extension



05/09/2001 11:59:18
Re: Woodmen of the WorldLyn BairdMaynard, thanks for sharing this. I am a WOW, as is my father and was
one grandfather. The grandfather's grave stone was one of those
"stumps". As a child, I remember going with my parents to the annual
camp barbeques. That's a thing of the past now, as it has morphed
totally from fraternity to insurer. Perhaps I should think about
potential subjects for query. This is a resource I had not considered
before. Thanks again.

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05/09/2001 12:11:46
Re: Albion's SeedLyn BairdLou and Diana, thanks so much for your further reading suggestions, as
well as your comments on Albion's Seed. Having read Fischer's later
book, PAUL REVERE, I have found ALBION'S SEED relatively less even in its
care to build cases and support claims. Some are well supported and
argued, some seemed to be floated on enthusiasm. Overall, I find him
appealing and convincing - just less so than in PAUL REVERE. As with
Lou, I have found the treatment of borderers confusing in that Fischer
sometimes casts their locale narrowly as "appalachia", but sometimes
broadly as "backcountry" and cites quite non-appalachian places as
Brunswick and Lunenburg counties, Virginia, and Maryland's eastern shore.
Also, I don't think he did enough to clarify how borderer culture
intermixed with cavalier culture in the backcountry, as must have been a
major phenomenon in southside Virginia and piedmont Georgia, two favorite
haunts of this research list. Nevertheless, these are fine points of
criticism relative to the wealth of context provided in this work. -lpb
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05/09/2001 12:26:09
PortugueseBoard's been a tad quiet lately. This topic always seems to raise a nest of
hornets.
It's off of an otherwise unidentified Google page.

The Portuguese Settlement

In the northwest section of Northampton County, North Carolina,
just
a mile or two from the Virginia state line, lie the fading
remnants
of what was once called the "Portuguese" Settlement. Centered in
Gaston Township, along the Roanoke River , this community of
Poythresses, Basses, Turners, Scotts, Newsoms, and Peterses had
it's
own school, Bethany, and it's own church, run as a mission by a
white Gaston congregation. At least one store in the community
was
owned by a member of the group.

While local legend has it that these people descend from
Portuguese
workers brought in to work on the dam on the Roanoke, the family
names cane be traced back well into the late 18th Century in the
area. Their ancestry is almost certainly Indian, from either or
both the Saponi and the Nottoway. Several of the Scotts who
moved
from the area to South Carolina obtained papers attesting to
their
Indian ancestry after they arrived in Sumpter County.

There are many descendants of this community in the region today,
but the community as a whole has disintegrated. Only the old
graveyard remains to mark the site of this once thriving
community
of primarily small tenant farmers.		05/29/2001 12:05:08
Will of Robert Wynne 1 Jul 1765Below is from one of those "professional" websites where you can only post to
the site and the poster's name or address are not revealed. This particular
entry is quite long. It is saturated with fabulous royalty, Margraves of
East Dogpatch, etc. typical of that junk one sees on "charweb" or whatever
that site is. I make it a point to take all of these posts with considerable
skepticism if not downright good humor.

However, I have copied the preceding paragraph and the abstract of this will.
I doubt that anyone would phoney any royalty or whatever into a will
abstract.

For our purposes it is a substantive link to the participation of Francis
Poythress (2) in the Wynne estate even if only as an overseer.

Also introduced into the mix is Wodlief (Woodlief I assume) in connection
with Wynne. Note that one Ann Woodlief is the abstractor of the will in the
first place which I'm guessing would add some to its credibility.

Interesting to note that Wynne's plantation "Georges" was on south side of
James R.

Individual # [NI0421], whose parents died of the plague, is otherwise
unidentified. Just going by the numbers I would guess that maybe it is Robert
Wynne himself but I would be pleased to be corrected by anyone familiar with
that numbering system.

Maynard

To wit:

[NI0419] It is speculated that the Wynnes came to America in 1651 because of
a
depression in the woolen industry. Certainly they were affected by the
English
Civil War. Robert was a Burgess for Charles City Co., VA by 1658. He was
Speaker
of the House of Burgesses during Virginia's Long Parliament (1661-1675). He
was
in charge of surveying, planning, and improving all public roads in the
colony.
He was sent to England to escort back the official set of weights and
measures
which would measure the business dealings of the New World. He was captain,
then
colonel in the Militia of Charles City Co., VA.
He owned two houses and a farm in England, which he left to his son Thomas.
His
600-acre plantation south of the James River was names "Georges".

Per Ann Woodlief:

Abstract of The Will of Col. Robert Wynne

Robert Wynn of Jordan's Parish of Charles City County, in Virginia. Dated 1
July, 1675. To be buried in Jordan's Church as near as possible to my son
Robert. My estate in England as follows: To my eldest son Thomas Wynne one
farm
in White Staple Parish in Kent near Canterbury, and commonly called Linebett
Banckes; if he dies, to my son Joshua, and if he dies, to my daughter
Wodlief.
To my son Thomas two houses in Canterbury in St. Mildreds' Parish in the same
form as the said farm. To my youngest son Joshua Wynne one house and
oatemeale mill lying in Dover Lane without St. Georges in Canterbury,
commonly called the Lilly Pott, and two houses adjoining where a ropemaker
and one Rawlins were formerly tenants. Touching my estate in Virginia, to my
son Thomas all the cattle of his own mark except one cow called Moll which is
to be killed for provisions; to my son Joshua my plantation called Georges
withal the tobacco houses; to my daughter Wodlief, one servant of fewer years
to
serve the next shipping after my decease; to my grandchild and godson young
George Wodlief one filly foal. All the rest of my estate in Virginia and
England
to my wife and executrix Mary Wynne. Overseers: Thomas Grendou, Merchant, and
my son-in-law (step-son) Capt. Francis Poythress. Witnesses: Tho. Brome, Jno
Burge.

[NI0420] When she married Robert, she was the widow of Captain Francis
Poythress. Mary and Francis had two sons: John Poythress (m.Christian
Peebles)
and Francis Poythress. Poythress - excellent site at
http://www1.minn.net/~atims/.
[NI0421] His parents died of the Plague and he and his siblings were left at
odds.		05/30/2001 7:03:12
British Genealogical Resource SiteDiana DiamondFor any one with roots in the United Kingdom, this site would seem to have
something to offer.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/

Also try
http://www.gendocs.demon.co.uk/england.html
Diana



06/01/2001 7:41:48
Some early American sitesDiana DiamondSome sites for documents on early American history.

http://personal.pitnet.net/primarysources/

And also

http://www.virginia.edu/~econ/brock.html

Also try

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/index.html

or

http://www.earlyamerica.com/

Notice that today in 1792, Kentucky became the 15th state in the union.

Diana		06/01/2001 8:02:22
Re: PortugueseNice write up, wish we had the author. My sister-in-law visits the area
quite frequently. I wonder where the cemetary is and if it is accessible?

BGP





06/02/2001 1:56:14
Re: British Genealogical Resource SiteLyn BairdDiana, thanks for these sites and also the early American sites.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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06/02/2001 7:15:23
FW: Poythress, Agnes: Descendents of...Diana DiamondAs you may have guessed, I have been researching this part of the Poythress
family.

Earlier I gave you a brief synopsis on Roger Atkinson Pryor, Agnes's
grandson. For any one who has interest in the distant cousins, here is a
web site I found today on Roger's granddaughter: She was the daughter of
Roger's daughter, Marie Gordon, "Gordoness", and was an author, who wrote
under the name Blair Niles. Her full maiden name was Mary Blair Rice. She
died in 1959. R. Bolling Batte doesn't list the first marriage, but I am
aware of it from family members. I believe there was some kind of scandal
with other women that ended her first marriage, but do read about Mary Blair
Beebe Niles' first marriage at dawn at her mother's plantation. (the second
URL)

http://members.aol.com/chines6930/mw1/mary.htm

http://members.aol.com/chines6930/mw1/mary.htm#june

Books By Blair Niles (from Barnes & Nobles Used Book list)
(Mexico) PASSENGERS TO MEXICO: THE LAST INVASION OF THE AMERICAS.

DAY OF IMMENSE SUN

STRANGE BROTHER (The Story of Tormented Males who are Different)


Journeys In Time : From The Halls Of Montezuma To Patagonia's Plains. A
Treasury Garnered From Four Centuries of Writers

Black Haiti, a Biography of Africa's Eldest Daughter Illustrated from
Photographs By Robert Niles, Jr.

Free, a novel

The James (from "The Rivers of America" series)
Niles, Blair.
illustrated by Edward Shenton		06/06/2001 2:55:23
Re: Poythress, Agnes: Descendents of...Diana DiamondI am sure some of you think I am going pretty far a field to list Mary Blair
Rice, AKA Blair Niles, on the Poythress List, but please note at
http://lvaimage.lib.va.us/cgi-bin/drawerIII/disk8/CC/BA/031/R0414?70 that R.
Bolling Batte gives her a P-1 designation.BGA CAF AAA.

Diana		06/06/2001 3:02:50
Poythress, Charlotte ReedPoythress, Charlotte Reed

Deaths
Miss Charlotte Reed Poythress, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. William P. Poythress,
of 8 West Franklin Street….(fell) from a second story window…she died
shortly thereafter. Funeral to be held at Monumental Church.

Richmond Times-Dispatch 5 Sep 1906
Richmond Times Dispatch 6 Sep 1906 ("Deaths")


(Note: this child was preceded by a sister of the identical name who was born
and died in 1880; the Charlotte Reed Poythress of the death notice above was
b. 1881 d. 1906).

Source: Virginia Historical Society: News, Bibles		06/06/2001 5:23:20
Poythress, AgnesPoythress, Agnes

Marriages

"On Saturday last [20 Sep 1788] Roger Atkinson, Jun. Esq. to Miss Agnes
Poythress of Prince George, sixth daughter of the late Peter Poythress."

Source:
Virginia Independent Chronicle 24 Sep 1788
Virginia Historical Records		06/06/2001 5:23:21
Poythress, LucyPoythress, Lucy

Marriages:

Mr. John Gordon, of Prince George, to Miss Lucy Poythress, of the same
county; a very agreeable lady with a handsome fortune.

Source: Virginia Gazette 21 Apr 1775, record in Virginia Historical Society		06/06/2001 5:23:22
Poythress MarriagesMaitland Bible (Source in part)

Caution before use: the Maitland Bible has a number of errors with respect to
Poythress marriages. Entries appear to have NOT been recorded
contemporaneously. A later myth refers to "the eight Misses Poythress and
the nine Misses Poythress" citing the Maitland bible in part as the source.

The "eight Misses Poythress" story (presumably daughters of Robert Poythress
1690- ca.1745) has numerous errors, not among the least of which is that
there were NOT eight daughters of Robert Poythress in the first place.

The "nine Misses Poythress" (daughters of Peter Poythress 1715-1785) did
indeed exist and the Maitland bible assigns the grooms to most of Peter's
daughters but a couple of grooms to Robert's daughters.

The material below is the notes of an unknown genealogist using the Maitland
bible IN PART as a source document. It will be recognized that this was not
a particularly thorough genealogist. In those instances where an exact date
is shown however, it is likely correct and derived from a source other than
the Maitland bible which shows no dates.


From the Virginia Historical Society Archives:

Mss6 4M 2875:1
Atkinson, Agnes Poythress
b.
d.
m. Roger Atkinson

Mss6 4M 2875:1 [same as Elizabeth P. Mayo]
Mayo, Betsy Poythress [b. 23 Mar 1818…Mss6 4B575: 1 ???]
b.
d.
m. William Mayo

Mss6 4P 8785:1
Gilbert, Catherine Jane (Poythress)
b. 10 Aug 1838
d. 1889 (?)
m. William Gilbert 24 Apr 1856

Mss6 4M 2875:1
Maitland, Elizabeth Poythress
b.
d.
m. David Maitland, Jun. (1759-1838)

Mss6 4M 2875:1
Poythress, Elizabeth Bland
b.
d.
m. Peter Poythress

Mss6 4P 8785:1
Poythress, Eliza J. (Crowder)
b.
d.
m. 17 Oct 1852 Joshua Lewis Poythress

Mss6 4M 2875:1
Mayo, Jennie Poythress
b.
d.
m. Joseph Mayo

Mss6 4P 8785:1
Poythress, Joshua Lewis
b. 10 Nov 1828
d. 12 Jun 1854
m. 17 Oct 1852 (Elizabeth J. Crowder)

Mss6 4M 2875:1
Batte, Mary Poythress
b.
d.
m. John Batte

Mss6 4M 2875:1
Randolph, Nancy Poythress
b.
d.
m. John Randolph

Mss6 4M 2875:1
Poythress, Rebecca Williams
b.
d.
m. William Poythress

Mss6 4M 2875:1
Newton, Sally Bland Poythress Lee
b.
d.
m. 1) Colonel Richard Lee
2) Willoughby Newton

Mss6 4M 2875:1
Bland, Susanna Poythress
b.
d.
m. Capt. Richard Bland

Mss6 4M 2875:1
Poythress, William
b.
d.
m. (Elizbeth Bland) ?
(Rebecca Williams) ?		06/06/2001 5:23:24
RE: Poythress, AgnesDiana DiamondThanks for that information about Agnes Poythress, Maynard.

Agnes Poythress was the grandmother of one of the many characters among the
descendants of Francis and Mary Poythress: Roger Atkinson Pryor (1828-1919).
Roger had a lot of Poythress genes.

Agnes's daughter Lucy Atkinson was the first of three wives of Theoderick
Bland Pryor, her second cousin. Theoderick Bland Pryor, a colorful
Presbyterian minister in Petersburg, was also a Poythress descendent.
Pryor's second wife was also a Poythress descendent, as was his third. Pryor
gave up the Anglican church and a law career to join the ministry.

Roger Atkinson Pryor who had a chance to fire the first shot in the civil
war, but he turned it down. Pryor happened to be at Fort Sumter on that
fateful day in April 1961 as an aide to General Beauregard. Pryor had beam
also a fire-eater editor of a Virginia newspaper. He was also a junior
Congressman, who thought war was inevitable. But presumably because
Virginia had not seceded yet, Pryor let someone else take the first shot.
But being somewhat impetuous, while assisting in the negotiations to end
the fighting at Fort Sumter a few days later, Pryor grabbed a bottle of
potassium iodine on the conference table he mistook for water and swigged it
down. He had to have his stomach pumped.

Roger Pryor was later a member of the Confederate Congress. He was later
promoted to Colonel then General in the Confederate Army but resigned when
he didn't get the assignment he wanted. He then enlisted in the Calvary.
He was arrested by the North for spying and was spared from hanging when
President Lincoln intervened.

After the war, Pryor became a lawyer in New York state and later became a
justice of that state's Supreme Court. Around that time, he wrote a
treatise on the problems with the electoral college system in electing a
President.

Diana		06/06/2001 10:47:21
Re: FW: Poythress, Agnes: Descendents of...Lyn BairdDiana, thanks for sharing these interesting reads. Not likely to be a
missing puzzle part for me, but quite entertaining.

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06/09/2001 2:48:56
Re: Poythress, LucyLyn BairdMaynard, thanks for sharing these citations. Where did you find them?

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06/09/2001 2:49:16
WalesAt > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/map.asp?ImageID=320 < this week's
Genealogy.com issue has a map of Wales and England in 1641. While we (I
anyway) tend to think of Gloucestershire and that area as England bordering
Wales,
in 1641 it actually was Wales.

That would imply Welsh origins for the name. However, I am still taking heat
from my French friend who swears it is anglicized Norman. He uses Craig's
line about
Poi being red and thress being next door to tress in the sense of a
conspicuous or decorative beard. Then when I told him of the signs on farms
around Newent reading Poydresse he became obnoxiously positive.

You pays your money and you takes your chances. But the map is interesting
anyway.

Maynard		06/09/2001 10:58:25
Wales, etc.Ah Ha.....Pat.....thanks for the correction. Why in the world would they
ever make a 1641 map if it didn't relate to the English Civil War. I must
have killed the brain cell that should have been holding that one.

Thanks again,

Maynard

Pat>

As I had never heard of Gloucestershire being part of Wales, I had a look at
the link given.  The red lines on the map enclose all that land held by the
King in 1644 and the green show the land held by Parliament.  It means that
Wales was held by the King, not that Gloucestershire, Somerset, Devon and
Cornwall etc were all part of Wales.

Best wishes to all

Pat Crewe		06/10/2001 8:15:07
Re: Poythress, AgnesDiana DiamondThanks, Patti

Who told me, "Think you must have meant 1861 instead of 1961."

Of course the first day of the Civil War was in 1861, but I have to confess,
there are days when I wonder about that. Some people seem to still fighting
the fight or at least talking the talk:)

I also know how to spell better than my email would have indicated.

Your patience is appreciated.

Diana		06/11/2001 10:24:58
Mea Culpa: VirusDiana DiamondIf your virus software is up to date, you probably don't have to worry.

If you have received a strange email from a Diamond in the last week with
two attachments and you opened them, be sure to do a virus scan.

However, a nasty little beast on my old computer sent them out on my husband
email without our knowledge to contact list entries that had been deleted
from the file. Who would have thought? Nothing is ever really deleted.

You can read more about this virus
at http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.magistr.24876@mm.html

Diana		06/16/2001 9:49:48
Early Newspapers to come Online in SeptemberDiana DiamondI got this from another list. It sounds like something worth looking into.
There will be a charge to use this service, however.

Diana


WASHINGTON - June 11, 2001 - More than 20,000 community newspapers, some
long out of print, have recorded American life since the 17th century and
two
unique organizations have set the common goal of providing Internet access
to
this documentation of American heritage. The National Newspaper Association
(NNA) and Cold North Wind Corporation signed a letter of intent today to
create America's Chronicles SM, an online search engine that accesses the
digital archives of America's community newspapers, beginning with the
archives
of the 3600 NNA member newspapers. The project could eventually result in
500,000,000 pages of original, historical content dating back to the 1600s
and will
be available online at http://www.americaschronicles.com . The site will be
launched at the NNA's 116th Annual Convention and Trade Show in Milwaukee,
September 12-15, with access to the first of many digital archives.		06/18/2001 2:36:51
Change in how many people may see List messagesCharles NealPerhaps all of you saw the below article. If not, you should be aware of
its impact on us. Most members of our Poythress-List are already aware
that the messages they send to the List have long been archived, which is
helpful for referring to later. Upon reading the below item, it becomes
apparent that things we say in List messages will have an even wider
accessibility, and that those messages will be reached by more people using
major Internet search engines. Further incentive to "keep our messages
pertinent" and to *not* divulge personally-private information in our
messages, eh?
Barbara
= = = = =

Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter issue of 6/19/01

The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy
Newsletter and is copyright 2001 by Richard W. Eastman. It is
re-published here with the permission of the author.

> - New Message Boards at Ancestry.Com and Rootsweb.Com

Ancestry.com and RootsWeb.com will soon launch a new integrated
message board system that spans both of the popular online
genealogy sites. The new system no longer requires users to post
messages on multiple sites at once. In addition, the new message
boards will be "indexable" by the major Internet search engines;
as a result, queries, discussions, and helpful suggestions from
the genealogical community will reach the widest possible
audience.

In addition to new messages posted, the collection will also
contain more than fifteen million messages from researchers who
have shared their experience and expertise over the last two
decades.

Other enhancements include:
* Cleaner, intuitive user interface
* Improved search functionality with hits ranked by relevance
* New personalization features like a "MyFavorites list" and
auto-notification
* New infrastructure allowing for faster access, and larger
traffic loads
* Users will be able to view the e-mail address of message
authors and respond to them easily and privately. However, the
message boards cannot be "crawled" by unscrupulous third
parties to gather e-mail addresses for spam mailings.
* The new message boards will be able to handle attachments
to e-mail messages in the form of uploaded pictures (scanned
documents, family photos, etc.) and GEDCOM files.
* A "preview message" feature will help users see what a message
will look like once posted (and make any appropriate changes
before posting).

The new message boards also feature centralized and simplified
administration capability for the benefit of the thousands of
volunteers who monitor and administer individual boards.
Administrative improvements include:

* Each message board has a special "administrator" page, where
administrators can supply information about themselves and/or
the topic. They may even add helpful text and links to
appropriate resources elsewhere on the Internet.
* URLs in messages are automatically recognized and hyperlinked
so that users can visit referred sites on the Internet with
one simple click.
* Administrators can take advantage of a convenient "recycle
bin" feature, which allows them to delete inappropriate
messages (spam, inappropriate content, etc.) or even restore
such messages if deletion was inadvertent.

Users may choose to access these new message boards on either
RootsWeb.com or Ancestry.com, and message board access will remain
free on both sites.


==============================================================
<		06/20/2001 5:55:51
More thoughts on VirusesDiana DiamondThanks, Barbara, for that warning.

It makes me think that it might be appropriate, though off message, to make
a couple of points about viruses after my recent experience.

>Changes in virus protection are taking place, and some of us aren't aware
of them.

>People don't intentionally send viruses. Sure, it's fine to be wary of
emails from strangers. But you need to be wary of emails from friends, too.
Viruses replicate themselves secretly. We were sending out emails but no
trace was left on our machines.

It took a query from a friend, you Barbara, to let us know we had a problem.
It was infinitely better to get a handle on things sooner (2 days) rather
than later.

On virus protection. We thought because we had some software in place, we
were protected. We were not. We found we needed to keep actively updating
the virus protection. I had turned off that nagging little update reminder.
I shouldn't have.

We also found out that in one case, a computer 2-3 years old didn't have
the speed or memory to handle some of the newest virus-protection software.
Likewise we found that the computer support personnel were weak in knowledge
about an old computer. Folks, these days, 2 years makes a computer old. In
our case, a switch from McAfee to Norton made all the difference. It may be
different for you. I think both software companies are good. In some
cases, it may be worth the expense to buy an updated disk of your virus
software of choice, but much is available on line.

Just don't be complacent. If you have any doubt, check on your computer to
find out when your software was last updated. If it was more than two weeks
ago, rush to update. Don't quarrel with a $4 fee now charged if your
subscription is out of date. And if one brand doesn't work, try another.
And if you need a lot of updates, be sure you do a complete scan of all your
computer files after you are updated your virus software.

And alert your friends if you get something from them that doesn't seem
right.

And again, I apologize to any of you who may have suffered any inconvenience
as a result of our problem.

Diana		06/21/2001 4:54:55
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Ancestry.com.......publishes a weekly newsletter of informative articles (free) and a
secondary listing of all of their new holdings as a "teaser."

One of this weeks teasers is "Savannah Georgia Directories 1888-91". The
address is: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4487.htm  

It shows 3 Poythress entrees and then wants 70 bucks/year to let you look at
the site. If anyone is a paid subscriber to this service would you please see
if you can pick them up for us. With these late dates it is unlikely that
the individuals would be
significant to any of our lines but it's nice to be sure.

If we don't have a paid member, I'll likely join myself and do the weekly
searches.

Thanks,

Maynard		06/23/2001 6:33:16
Reuben, Warren & R. W.Subj: Re: Ancestry
Date: 6/24/01
To: BPoythress

Dunno, Bud, but I'll copy it along to the list......(thanks for the
comment....however, I think Debbie is after "William" and her William is
considerably before 1889).

in a message dated 6/23/01 6:55:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BPoythress
writes:

> Subj: Re: Ancestry
> Date: 6/23/01 6:55:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: BPoythress
> To: VKRatliff
>
> Maynard:
>
> That R. W.  Poythress is probably Warren Poythress from the Newington area
> of Effingham/Screven County bunch.  I recall my Dad mentioning a Warren
> Poythress who probably stopped by my Dad's store on his travels to and from
> Savannah/Newington, etc.  Warren could have very well worked for the rail
> road in and around Savannah.
>
> Isn't it Debbie Freeman who might be connected with a Warren Poythress of
> Newington.........
>
> Just guessing cuz,
>
> Bud		06/23/2001 7:23:16
Re: AncestryIn a message dated 6/23/01 1:08:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Congs writes:

> Subj: Ancestry
> Date: 6/23/01 1:08:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: Congs
> To: VKRatliff
>
> Got it! Hope it means more to you than it does to me 🙁
> Name Business Name Occupation Location 1 Location 2 City State Year
>
> Reuben W. Poythress C. R. R watchman Savannah GA 1889
>
> J. Warren Poythress S. Guckenheimer & Sons clk bds 202 State Savannah GA
> 1891
>
> R. W. Poythress C. R. R. whf watchman Savannah GA 1891


Thanks a ton, Jane, you're right. Probably a dead end since its pretty
"late" in the game for most of us. Really appreciate your getting this for
us and I'll pass it along to the board in case it hits somebody.

Thanks again,

Maynard		06/23/2001 11:52:42
Pretty Late in the GameWillow Bend BooksOf course is it probably the grand-daughter of one of these two that has the
family bible that connects all of our various families together into one.
And being in the proud position of having the, what shall I call it,
progenitor with the latest birth date I take that late in the game stuff
seriously.

I was in Birmingham and as is my norm I checked the phone book for
Poythress. There were several. Of course I never call them, I just check the
telephone books.

Craig

> > Got it! Hope it means more to you than it does to me 🙁
> > Name Business Name Occupation Location 1 Location 2 City State Year
> >
> > Reuben W. Poythress C. R. R watchman Savannah GA 1889
> >
> > J. Warren Poythress S. Guckenheimer & Sons clk bds 202 State Savannah
GA
> > 1891
> >
> > R. W. Poythress C. R. R. whf watchman Savannah GA 1891
>
>
> Thanks a ton, Jane, you're right. Probably a dead end since its pretty
> "late" in the game for most of us. Really appreciate your getting this
for
> us and I'll pass it along to the board in case it hits somebody.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>
>
>		06/23/2001 11:58:00
Re: Pretty Late in the GameOops, sorry about that Craig.....I forget you're always out there lurking!
I'll behave myself in future.

Maynard



06/23/2001 12:22:53
Re: AncestryIn a message dated 6/23/01 6:15:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
aviddiva@bellsouth.net writes:

> Subj: Re: Ancestry
> Date: 6/23/01 6:15:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: aviddiva@bellsouth.net (Christine Poythress)
> To: VKRatliff@aol.com
>
> these sound like my great grand fathers


Well, Christine, you rascal, have you been lurkin' and not letting us know
whom you're "after"? Hope it is a "hit" for you. I'm fairly sure Warren and
maybe Reubin are out of Effingham County. However, for the time they were in
Savannah you should be in luck; Chatham County has great records. "R. W.
Poythress" is a blank for me. Let me poke about in my mountain of papers and
I'll see what I can find on the first two for you.

Best,

Maynard

>
>
>
>		06/23/2001 12:35:57
"New Boards"This from the lady who runs the Screven board so I'd assume its applicable to
other "county" boards. I know nothing about it so I guess I'll go exploring
like the rest of us.

From: "Deborah Byrd"
To: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [GASCREVE] Message boards

Okay the message board system is up and running on Myfamily.com.  They are
very different from the old genconnect boards.  All of the categories are
listed on the board page, so no more separate query, deeds, bios, obits,
wills, and deeds boards.

When you post a message, the query category is the default so no need to
select it if you are posting a query.  If you are posting a deed etc, there
is a pull down menu to select which category you are using.  There are
several search features, according to traffic on the board admin mailing
list some of the search features seem to be acting up don't use the global
one, it brings up ever message ever sent with the key word in it. the
boolerian protocols for search words don't appear to be working yet.

Have a look around, be patient, lots of bugs still in the system.  Opinion
is out on the new boards.  Some love them, some hate them.

Deborah Byrd




06/23/2001 12:39:43
Re: Fyi: from another list.Diana, I got that message and didn't pay attention to it because I figured
they'd tell me when it was put together and I didn't need to watch the birth
pains.

However, I did go to Myfamily.com and afterwards made the comments below to
the Screven list lady and got the below answer which still doesn't tell me
much except that Ancestry.com bought Rootsweb. No particular surprise there
even if I didn't get the news. "Volunteer" subscriptions never stay afloat.

Anyway, I have resisted giving Ancestry.com the 70 bucks a year not because I
particularly begruded the 70 bucks but I have "accumulated" too much
information already......what I need is some ORGANIZATION.....and of course
only I can do that.
Obviously, at some point I'll join and not be unhappy to do so but no point
in digging my hole even deeper right now.

Craig.....you stay up today on all this stuff....give us a "see Spot run" on
it, would you?

Thanks,

Maynard

Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 14:01:44 EDT
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
To: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com

Deborah, I apologize but I wasn't paying attention when you first announced
the "merger" of two databases, presumably Rootsweb and Ancestry.com.

I went to Myfamily.com and discovered that Ancestry.com is largely "fronting"
the deal and one must join (pay) to access their combined data.....which was
in part previously free on the Rootsweb site.

Is this all there is to it or is there something I am missing here?  I have a
feeling there is more to this.

Thanks,

John M. Poythress
______________________________

Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 19:57:17 -0600
From: "Deborah Byrd"
To: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com

Ancestry bought out Rootsweb two years ago.  Without the merger Rootsweb.com
would no longer exist.  Not enough users donated for their free services so
Ancestry stepped in.  The merger allowed for free services to continue and
to have a user pay portion also.

The meger between Genconnect and The ancestry family history boards
maintains the FREE USE of the boards.  You don't have DON'T have to pay to
view or post to the Boards.  Ancestry requires that the user chose an id and
password to give the user the ability to edit  their mailing address for
board messages they posted and eventually to edit the messages that the user
has posted.

The apperance of needing to pay for the boards is an issue that we have
raised.  However, Ancestry doesn't have an alternative way to proved the
user the abilty to change addresses or edit previously posted messages.
Broken Mail links was one of the major complaints with Genconnect.

If anyone has anymore questions holler.  The system still is in flux, and
they have found some glitches but expect them to be solved in the  next
couple of weeks.

Deborah Byrd


P. S. (from MP)...it also strikes me that if all one can access is the posts
to the query board and they haven't figured out a "discriminatory function"
of some type you'll get every message in the world in your mail box if you
"subscribe" even to the free list. That's not very appealing but SURELY they
figured that one out.		06/25/2001 5:33:46
Fw: Fyi: from another list.Willow Bend Books> Anyway, I have resisted giving Ancestry.com the 70 bucks a year not
because I
> particularly begruded the 70 bucks but I have "accumulated" too much
> information already......what I need is some ORGANIZATION.....and of
course
> only I can do that.
>
> Craig.....you stay up today on all this stuff....give us a "see Spot run"
on
> it, would you?

I'm not sure I know what the question is.

Craig		06/25/2001 6:02:51
RE: Fyi: from another listDiana DiamondMy question relayed from another list was the issue of My Family--a
subsidiary of Ancestry.com--claiming to copyright stuff on the Genconnect. I
think the legal issue is incorrectly put by the authors of the attached
excerpts, but I think one has the right to ask why a copyright notice is
necessary. What are the intentions of Ancestry. I know others are bothered
by Yahoo--who bought Geocities--and by Family Tree Maker making similar
copyright claims on hard-earned material donated by thousands of people all
around the country.

It is my understanding that genealogy material cannot be copyrighted, but
perhaps any write-ups which combine and extrapolate facts are.

I have checked out nothing, which is why I didn't send this to the list
originally. Perhaps when I have more time I will. I for one think
Ancestry.com's financial rescue of Rootsweb is something to be commended. I
am just curious if there is a "catch."

Diana

Excerpts of the issue from the other list.
As list admin for several lists on rootsweb and gen connect board, I
> decided to check out the new boards. If you choose to print a
> message, you will get a notice that the INFORMATION is copyright by
> MYFAMILY.COM and cannot be used without their permission. It doesn't
> say anything about the author, just the permission of MYFAMILY.COM.


> It would be sad to find later on that you couldn't use you own family
> Bible records because MYFAMILY.COM holds the copyright.
> They don't bother to put this forth when someone posts, only when
> they choose to print.
> Carol R.




06/25/2001 6:57:16
Privacy LegislationFor those of you on AOL, the address (I am now told) is:

http://legal.web.aol.com/feedback.html


Maynard



06/26/2001 4:21:52
Francis Poythress, PreacherDiana DiamondMost of these I have seen before, but perhaps someone knows something new
about the Preacher Francis Poythress. These are three sections from HISTORY
OF KENTUCKY, by Lewis Collins, and J.A. & U.P. James, published 1847.
Reprinted by Henry Clay Press, Lexington, Ky., 1968, . where Francis
Poythress is mentioned.

http://www.starbase21.com/kybiog/jessamine/poythress.f.txt

http://www.starbase21.com/kybiog/fayette/haw.j.txt

http://www.starbase21.com/kybiog/fayette/haw.j.txt

I found these on www.Google.com just shopping around for the heck of it.
Google has 60 pages of references to "Poythress", not all genealogical. Did
you know that Google doesn't always show you the same thing when you enter a
subject for query? Had to get that factoid from some fancy seminar, second
hand at that.

Diana		06/26/2001 6:07:10
Federal Privacy LegilationSee below. So far, many corporations have been quite lax in pursuing this
new federal law. Given that internet service providers in part make their
living by shopping "prospective customer" information all over the place,
don't be surprised if you have not heard from your internet service provider.
You might want to think about taking the inititave as below.

June 26, 2001

AOL Customer Service:

Recent federal legislation has imposed upon you the requirement to seek
permission from the customer prior to sharing any information you may have
relative to that customer.

You were required to publish to your customers your particular privacy policy
with respect to sharing customer information and the extent to which you
intend to share any information not required by law. This policy would also
extend to sharing of information with others in your "corporate family", e.
g., in your case, Time or any other corporate entity.

As a part of this notice, the customer is to be given the opportunity to "opt
out" of your policy, thereby making it illegal for you to engage in such
information sharing to any degree as it pertains to that particular customer.

Since I have not heard from you in this matter, please accept this e-mail as
my notitification that I wish to "opt out" of any policy of yours which
shares ANY information regarding me with entities within or without of the
AOL-Time Warner, Inc. organization. Would you be so kind as to acknowledge
receipt of this notification? Thank you.

Yours very truly,

John M. Poythress
(vkratliff@aol.com)		06/26/2001 6:46:34
Privacy concerns & identity theftCharles NealFor the benefit of those who've never had any reason to have to think about
it, I wanted to let folks know:

Identity theft involves people out there in the world who seek out
opportunities to "adopt" a different identity for themselves (name, date of
birth) whether or not they can also get that name's correct Social Security
number (using a bogus one, instead) or that person's true mother's maiden
name , though of course knowing those items, too, just makes it all the
easier for them. These kinds of people steal identities in order to open
credit/bank accounts in that identity. They run up huge bills which they
do not pay, and then abandon that identity & move on to a different one.

When those credit card companies & banks & cell phone companies start
trying to collect their bills from such people, they try sending their
collection notices to any logical address for that identity -- including
the legitimate address for that name, which they of course can get from
credit reporting agencies, and which they logically assume is another
address for the same "person."

I've recently been made more personally aware of this problem because
someone(s) took the identities of 3 young adults we know well. The
suspect(s) apparently had gotten some of those unsolicited credit card
applications that are always coming, out of the trash. They sent the
applications in to the credit card companies to open new accounts, changing
their addresses to ones unrelated to the real young people. Once they had
the new credit cards, they opened up further accounts for cell phones & at
local stores & banks -- opening numerous accounts -- and they ran up huge
bills on ALL the accounts.

When the dunning letters began arriving several months later at the true
addresses of the legitimate people, it meant they had to initially notify
not only all the various companies, but also all the credit reporting
agencies mentioned below in a recent message off-List to me from one of our
Listers:
- Equifax 1-800 525-6285
- Experian (formerly TRW) 1-800-301-7195
- Trans Union 1-800-680-7289
- Social Security Administration also has a fraud line at 1-800-269-0271

Such follow-up hassles include filling out affidavits swearing that the
bills are fraudulent, and literally months of writing letters & making
calls trying to clear one's own credit. It is very similar to the problems
one can immediately have from a lost wallet, but this kind of identity
theft is more insidious because the person whose identity has been stolen
doesn't know immediately -- they don't know until much later, when MUCH
damage has been done.

Shred such credit applications before you put them in the trash.

And as far as List or Board situations, PLEASE be aware and be protective
of your own identity & that of your extended family and fellow researchers.
Do not make freely available in messages that can be archived & available
to anyone with an internet search capability, ANY exact dates of birth for
LIVING people. If you want to discuss your own family in some List or
Board situation & want to give just a year of birth for yourself, or a
month & year, then your fellow readers should be able to readily understand
that they don't need it to be more exact.		06/26/2001 9:11:20
PicturesWillow Bend BooksYesterday, while looking for something else (of course) I cam across two
pictures.

Both were found in a double picture holder.

The first according to the writing on the back is a picture of Mary Ellen
Poythress Roberts done at J. H. Faber (or Tabor) of Granby St., Norfolk. In
pencil, in a different hand is written "Sis" and "Mary Ellen Roberts." She
was born in 1857 and died in Feb 1921.

The second according to the writing on the back (in the same hand) is
Benjamin Poythress ? and Susan M. _______ done at M.D. Trainor, Eutaw and
Lexington Sts., Baltimore, MD. I find this to be unlikely given the attire
but there is a resemblance and theoretically the person who owned the
pictures would know his own grandparents. I am unable to fathom why they
would be in Baltimore for pictures. He was a huckster and this guy is dress
fairly fancy in my mind for a huckster.

I have made JPEG copies of the files for who would like to see them. Just
send me an email and I will send you them as an attachment.

C.

Craig R. Scott, CGRS

Willow Bend Books
65 East Main Street
Westminster, MD 21157-5026
WillowBend@willowbend.net
www.WillowBendBooks.com		06/26/2001 9:43:59
Re: Francis Poythress, PreacherDiana DiamondI got confused. Here is the third reference.

http://www.starbase21.com/kybiog/caldwell/ogden.b.txt

Diana		06/27/2001 4:26:55
Francis Poythress (preacher)Nice sleuthing, Diana. Did you know that your second and third site quotes
(and texts) were duplicates.

This matter of "finding Francis" all by his own records is begining to be
like sifting through grains of sand at the beach. I think I'm even up to a
separate 3-ring binder for him, with still no reference to his parents.

Authors Collins and "the James boys" however, hint at an avenue that looks to
perhaps have more potential (although it hasn't done anything for us yet)
than looking for Francis himself.

Francis had two sisters, both of whom married and moved to Kentucky:

One sister married a Peniston and lived in Mercer County (s. of Lexington).
Peniston is a rather old and venerable name in KY and has a number of avid
researchers. I have asked each as I ran across them to keep an eye out, not
especially for Francis but for the clue to Francis' parentage via the records
of his Peniston sister. So far, no gold.

The second sister is the one referred to by Collins, et al., the widow
"Prior" (although I have without exception seen it as Pryor in Kentucky
records). My guess would be that the family either changed the spelling;
or, more likely Collins, et al., writing
thirty years after Francis' death, may have just used the conventional
spelling of
"prior". In any case, I will now add "Prior" to my search criteria. Since
they both start off "Pr" however, I suspect I might have picked up a Prior if
one had been there anyhow.

If the family of Francis and his two sisters were relatively well fixed as
the stories hint, perhaps there were legacies passing to the daughters.
Unfortunately, those wills would likely be in the home county of the very
grantor parents whom we are chasing, wouldn't they? Perhaps not.

The really bad news (not unexpected) was that I can't find any census records
on the Pryor or Peniston families related to the two female Poythress girls.
Francis himself died at a advanced age, in 1817 as I recall, so by 1840 (when
the censuses start having real information) it is likely all three siblings
are dead.

At any rate, I'm only suggesting that we punch Pryor and Peniston into our
hint list and react if the names pop up.

Thanks,

Maynard		06/27/2001 6:06:51
Off the Bulloch Co, GA list."Hello.  Someone on another list sent out a message giving the following URL.

http://www.ssa.gov/foia/foia_guide.htm

I've checked in out, and on 1 July (this Sunday), the fee for a copy of one
SS application will jump from $7 to $27 if you do have the SSN, and to $29 if
you do not.  Other fees are going up as well.  The entire list is at the
above URL.

So let's all get those requests into the mail.

Lowell"		06/27/2001 6:08:36
A Project for a Richmond VisitPrince George County, 1790 Personal Property Tax List (printed page in Clayton
Library- no other years
Shown)
Poythress, Elizabeth
Poythres, William (sic)
Poythress, Joshua, Est.
Poythress, Mary
Poythress, William

Notes:

1) this list incomplete insofar as rate and amount of tax not included.
(Doubful if
personal property will be itemized when original is located in LVA.

2) land taxes for 1790 for comparison with above:
Name Acres
Peter Poythress 100
1000
400
225
100
290
Mary Poythress 100
Joshua Poythress 404
200
William Poythress 184
120
850
Mary Poythress 293

For sure, comparisons are odious; contradictions implied from above:
a) Peter Poythress, with huge land holdings, not taxed for personal property.
b) One of the Mary Poythresses escaped personal property tax in 1790
c) Unless William Poythres and William Poythress are the same (doubtful), one
of them escaped personal property taxes in 1790.
d) Joshua is "Est." for personal property, would presumably be "alive" for
land taxes.
e) Summary conclusion: the two taxes appear to be on uncoordinated tracks
unless there are unusual circumstances.

3) The personal property tax records above are only the one year of taxes.
In 1782, VA enacted a major revision of the laws providing for statewide
enumeration at the county level of both land and personal property. Both
kinds of taxes are shown in yearly sequence on microfilm at LVA.


We HAVE recorded (see: Virgina Land Tax Records, Prince George County) the
land taxes from 1782 thru 1798 (microfilm reel 255 in LVA, 1782-1811)

REMAINDER OF PROJECT (which likely can only be done at LVA)

a) finish the land property records in reel 255 for years following 1798

b) record all of the years beginning 1782 for personal property tax records		06/28/2001 5:08:14
Will Benjamin Stanley Brunswick Co., VirginiaCharles NealThank you, Lyn & thanks to your mother for the transcription.

I am curious re "In the 1870 census an Anna Stanley is present in
Benjamin's household. For whatever reason, she does not appear in this
will, unless perhaps it is another name used by Martha or Sarah." and I'm
not where I can get to any records of that household in the 1870 census.
Can you refresh our memories -- were Martha &/or Sarah listed?

Thanks again.
Barbara		07/03/2001 5:36:12
Will Benjamin Stanley Brunswick Co., VirginiaLyn BairdSome of you might recall some research we did a while back on the
descendants of Rebecca L. Poythress who married Benjamin Stanley of
Brunswick Co., Virginia. Particularly, we were interested to find a
connection between this Stanley line and one Anna Stanley known to be
associated with the family of James Edward Poythress of Sumter Co.,
Alabama. What follows is a transcription of the will of Benjamin
Stanley, recently transcribed for us by my mother. There is no mention
of Anna. Daughters Martha and Sarah are mentioned. Heirs of John D.
Stanley, a son who apparently proceeded Benjamin in death, would have
been wife Lucy and children Willie and Gertrude. In the 1870 census an
Anna Stanley is present in Benjamin's household. For whatever reason,
she does not appear in this will, unless perhaps it is another name used
by Martha or Sarah. Rebecca had died in 1861, a son, Benjamin L. in
1861, and another son, James W., in 1867. No heirs are mentioned for
either of these sons.

==================
Will of Benjamin Stanley; Brunswick Co., Virginia, Will Book 20, pp.
418-19
In consideration of the uncertainty of life & the certainty of death, I
Benja [sic] Stanley of the state of Virginia & County of Brunswick do
hereby declare this to be my last will & testament.
I hereby give & bequeth [sic] to my daughter, Martha R. J. Stanley her
life or as long as she remains single one tract or parcel of land lying &
being in the County of Brunswick containing one hundred & forty four &
one fourth acres at her said Martha R. J. Stanley's death or marriage
said land, to be divided to wit as follows one third to go to my son, G.
M. Stanley, one third to the children of my daughter, Sarah F. Thomas &
the other one third to the heirs of John D. Stanley.
I do hereby appoint my oldest son, George M. Stanley, Executor of this my
last will & testament this 1st day of June 1876.
Signed: Benja his X mark Stanley
Witness: Willliam Fitts Nelson T. Crowder
Proved - Brunswick Court August term 1876
Teste: E. R. Turnbull, Clerk
===================
Transcribed March 2001 by Beatrice P. Baird from original Will Book in
Clerk's Office, Lawrenceville, Virginia

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Rev. War Records-VAFrom our gracious mystery benefactor. No doubt the two Williams are the same
guy listed for different purposes. "Francis" seems to be a "stand-alone".

Revolutionary War Records VIRGINIA
Section II (4), [Document No. 30--List No. I]

Poythress, William   Capt. Lieut.   Cont'l.   4000   Nov. 8, 1783   3 years

Revolutionary War Records VIRGINIA
SECTION III
4256   Poythress, Francis (Mary Randolph, Representative)   Sgt.   War

Revolutionary War Records VIRGINIA
SECTION III
(21) Virginia Military Land Warrants

1878   Poythress, William   Capt. Lt.   3 years		07/05/2001 11:20:02
Newspaper LinksDebbie FreemanHello Everyone!
Awhile back, I think it was Diana, listed some websites for newspapers that
were coming online. Was I incorrectly remembering this or is this correct?
If correct, would you please be so kind as to send me the list again, as I'd
like to check them out this time.
Thank you so much!

Debbie Poythress
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07/08/2001 3:35:35
MelungeonsThere is an Associated Press news story today on Melungeons. I was unable to
capture it on either my local paper's page or the Associated Press page in
order to forward it to the list.

The gist of it is a report that researchers are now using DNA sampling with
some initial success in unraveling some of the Melungeon mysteries.

One "report" that is cited is that Sir Francis Drake dropped about 1500
Turkish and Mediterranean captives on Roanoke Island in 1500's. First I've
heard of that one but if true its likely a positive lead.

Reporter does a fair job giving him the slack that he is paid to sell
newspapers not
deal in objectivity.

Perhaps the story may be in the AP archives in a few days.

Maynard		07/10/2001 4:45:04
RE: Brunswick Co.1750 Transaction: Joshua PoythressI agree, Lou. Thanks, Diana. I'll put it in the list of circumstantial but valued evidence.


Steve



07/11/2001 4:45:40
Brunswick Co.1750 Transaction: Joshua PoythressDiana DiamondCame across this on web. I cross-checked the archives. Matthias Davis
appeared in several exchanges in 1997, but this particularly citation which
links him Joshua and J. Wall is not among them. See
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/p/poythress.html to get to the
archives.

Matthias Davis of Brunswick County for £35-13 Shillings & 2
pence, paid by Joshua Poythress of Prince George County, on negro
woman Slave named Judy and her Child also one Negro boy named
Dick, dated 27 September 1750. Signed Matts. Davis. Wit: J.
Wall, Jr., John Taylor Duke. Court 26 December 1750, Deed proved
by the oaths of John Wall Junr. Deed Book 4, Page 203.

See source page
www.rootsweb.com/~vabrunsw/deeds/brundb4.htm

Also see other names
http://www.rootsweb.com/~vabrunsw/deeds/

Diana		07/11/2001 6:38:52
RE: Brunswick Co.1750 Transaction: Joshua PoythressLou PooleWay to go, Diana! This is particularly important to Steve Wall, his
father, and I. It certainly does not prove that John Wall married
Joshua's daughter as we theorize, but it does prove that Joshua
Poythress was in Brunswick County (which heretofore I had no proof of),
and that John Wall, Jr., was at least acquainted with him.

A small but significant find to me....

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Diamond [mailto:DiamondDPC@erols.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:39 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Brunswick Co.1750 Transaction: Joshua Poythress


Came across this on web. I cross-checked the archives. Matthias Davis
appeared in several exchanges in 1997, but this particularly citation
which links him Joshua and J. Wall is not among them. See
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/p/poythress.html to get to the
archives.

Matthias Davis of Brunswick County for £35-13 Shillings & 2 pence,
paid by Joshua Poythress of Prince George County, on negro woman Slave
named Judy and her Child also one Negro boy named Dick, dated 27
September 1750. Signed Matts. Davis. Wit: J. Wall, Jr., John Taylor
Duke. Court 26 December 1750, Deed proved by the oaths of John Wall
Junr. Deed Book 4, Page 203.

See source page
www.rootsweb.com/~vabrunsw/deeds/brundb4.htm

Also see other names
http://www.rootsweb.com/~vabrunsw/deeds/

Diana


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visit http://www.rootsweb.com/		07/11/2001 10:50:10
FW: Brunswick Co.1750 Transaction: Joshua PoythressLou PooleOops! I just realized after sending my last that the Joshua Poythress
of the subject deed could NOT be the Joshua who died in 1739, and who
was -- I theorize -- the father of Ann who married John Wall, Jr. The
Joshua of this deed, then, must be Ann's older brother. It still
loosely ties the families together, though.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: Lou Poole [mailto:lpoole@dallas.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:50 PM
To: 'POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com'
Subject: RE: Brunswick Co.1750 Transaction: Joshua Poythress



Way to go, Diana! This is particularly important to Steve Wall, his
father, and I. It certainly does not prove that John Wall married
Joshua's daughter as we theorize, but it does prove that Joshua
Poythress was in Brunswick County (which heretofore I had no proof of),
and that John Wall, Jr., was at least acquainted with him.

A small but significant find to me....

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Diamond [mailto:DiamondDPC@erols.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 11:39 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Brunswick Co.1750 Transaction: Joshua Poythress


Came across this on web. I cross-checked the archives. Matthias Davis
appeared in several exchanges in 1997, but this particularly citation
which links him Joshua and J. Wall is not among them. See
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/p/poythress.html to get to the
archives.

Matthias Davis of Brunswick County for £35-13 Shillings & 2 pence,
paid by Joshua Poythress of Prince George County, on negro woman Slave
named Judy and her Child also one Negro boy named Dick, dated 27
September 1750. Signed Matts. Davis. Wit: J. Wall, Jr., John Taylor
Duke. Court 26 December 1750, Deed proved by the oaths of John Wall
Junr. Deed Book 4, Page 203.

See source page
www.rootsweb.com/~vabrunsw/deeds/brundb4.htm

Also see other names
http://www.rootsweb.com/~vabrunsw/deeds/

Diana


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Cooperative. If you'd like to become a supporter of Rootsweb please
visit http://www.rootsweb.com/		07/11/2001 11:17:47
Re: InformationMaynard, thanks for sharing the Prince William find. Again it
illustrates that not all the stones are yet turned!

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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07/14/2001 2:36:40
InformationJuly 13, 2001

Virginia records thought lost in Civil War show up on eBay

News-Journal wire services

MANASSAS, Va. -- When Union troops raided the Prince William County
courthouse in 1863, they stole batches of court papers from the
Revolutionary War era, including some signed by the father of Confederate
Gen. Robert E. Lee.

The vital records -- oaths of soldiers, certificates of birth and death and
deeds of property and business ownership -- tore a hole in the county's
history and were considered lost forever.

But many of the papers were recovered after a researcher for the state
archives spotted pages for sale on eBay, the Internet auction house.

The Library of Virginia in Richmond contacted the dealer, Charles Barger, of
Mansfield, Ohio, and paid him $8,000 for a 200-page record book covering
1778 to 1784. When researchers received the book late last year, 46 pages
were missing.

Prince William County police tracked down one more page from the same dealer
in April.

"It's just a wealth of historical information," said Don Wilson, chief
historic librarian for Prince William. "Without this kind of a record, we're
at a loss to fill in the details of local history."

Like other Southern states, Virginia's local governments lost many records
to fire or theft during the Civil War.

In the last couple of years, eBay has been added to the more traditional
auction catalogs where workers in the state archivist's office routinely
search for missing records and other historical documents.

"We're constantly on the lookout. Virginia has lost so much public records,
especially because of what happened during the Civil War," said Conley
Edwards, the state archivist.

About a dozen Virginia counties lost records in the war, most of them in the
Tidewater region, Edwards said. Some local records were sent to Richmond for
safekeeping during the war but were destroyed when the Confederate's capital
city burned as the war ended, he said.

The recovered book is a record of court minutes kept in the courthouse at
Brentsville, the Prince William County seat from 1822 to 1890. Listing
lawsuits, land transactions, business licenses and militia oaths, it is
among at least dozens of deed books, surveyors plat books and marriage
documents stolen by Union soldiers as they dismantled the courthouse in 1863
for bricks to set up camp nearby.

Some pages are signed by Robert E. Lee's father, Henry "Light Horse Harry"
Lee, who was a justice in the Prince William court before he became governor
of Virginia.

Police are still looking for the missing 45 pages, but county Police Chief
Charlie T. Deane said the dealer won't be charged with a crime. Barger told
police he bought the book at a local antique show. There was no answer at
his home Thursday.

"It's much better to work with someone than to try and strong-arm them,"
Edwards said Thursday. "Our fear is that in situations like this documents
will go underground and we'll never see them."

"The other 45 pages are out there somewhere," he said. "I hope that they're
together somewhere."

Copyright 2001 News-Journal Corporation		07/14/2001 3:49:39
Re: Will Benjamin Stanley Brunswick Co., VirginiaBarbara and all, the 1870 household includes only Benjamin, age 72,
George, age 25, and Anna, age 23, all surname Stanley, all born Virginia.
Ten years later, George, age 47, is listed as single and the only other
household member is one black servant, George Valentine. Anna does not
appear in either the 1860 or 1850 households and, of course, not in the
will. She makes this 1870 cameo appearance and then is gone.

Perhaps Anna is a familiar name used by Martha. (Martha is listed as age
14 in the 1860 census.) Perhaps the census taker received incorrect
information, Martha being reported incorrectly as Anna. Perhaps Anna is
a real other person, not Martha, in the household.

In brief, the children of Benjamin Stanley and Rebecca Poythress are as
follows:
George M., single as of 1880 (age ~47)
Sarah F., married to ____ Thomas as of 1876
Benjamin L., died 1861, age 23 and unmarried, reported by his father
John D., married Lucy _____, died between 1870 and 1876
Martha R. J., single as of 1876 (age ~30)
James W., died 1867, age 20 but no marital status returned, reported by
his father

Barring errors in the records (a big IF, as always, of course), it may be
possible that Anna is the widowed and childless bride of James W. In
summary then, we have at least four possibilities for "Anna" -
1) Anna does not exist;
2) Martha calls herself Anna;
3) Anna is the widow of James W.;
4) Anna is some other person as yet unknown to us.

Oh well, lot's of discussion, no definitive answers. I guess that's what
makes genealogy a blood sport. 🙂 -Lyn

On Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:36:12 -0400 Charles Neal
writes:
> Thank you, Lyn & thanks to your mother for the transcription.
>
> I am curious re "In the 1870 census an Anna Stanley is present in
> Benjamin's household. For whatever reason, she does not appear in
> this
> will, unless perhaps it is another name used by Martha or Sarah."
> and I'm
> not where I can get to any records of that household in the 1870
> census.
> Can you refresh our memories -- were Martha &/or Sarah listed?
>
> Thanks again.
> Barbara
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Re: Will Benjamin Stanley Brunswick Co., VirginiaCharles NealThanks, Lyn, for the clarifying info.

Cheers,
Barbara



07/17/2001 3:54:41
Virginia Chancery Records IndexAn issue or so back the LVA news bulletin announced that a searchable index
for these records would be placed on line. From the progress todate, it
appears that they are moving slowly or perhaps the job is bigger than they
figured. It appears that only 15 or so counties have been indexed. While I
searched "all" counties, only 3 of
"ours" are indexed: Brunswick, Chesterfield and Mecklenburg.

It is possible to search for "any" name in the document, not only the
plaintiff and the defendent. This makes the search as broad as possible and
the name Poythress appears in all of the documents below. Unfortunately,
none have been filmed but all are available for use in the records room of
the LVA. Copies must be made by library personnel. Copies may be ordered by
mail for 50 cents per page and one is cautioned that some chancery cases can
run long. Out of state requests are, as
usual, socked with a $20 PER CASE charge. Obviously, we need to do the
search either in the library or have a Virginian order them for us.

To reach the index page go to the library site: http://www.lva.lib.va.us/
.....go to The Chancery Records Index. An extensive FAQ page is helpful.

I have pulled the records in which a Poythress is mentioned in any capacity.
The key for the case "number" is four digits representing the year of the
conclusion of the case, a dash, and three digits in numerical sequence for
the order of indexing at the library.

Locality LVA Reel#
Local Reel#
Plaintiffs vs. Defendants
Index #

Brunswick Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
William Warwick Thomas Poythress 1788-008

Brunswick Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
William Mallory, etc. Thomas Poythress 1792-007

Brunswick Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
William Warwick Thomas Poythress 1793-008

Brunswick Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
William Warwick Thomas Poythress 1796-017

Brunswick Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
William Warwick Excrs of James Mason 1796-017

Brunswick Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
John Walton, etc. Heir(s) of James Mason, etc.1804-031

Brunswick Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
Benjamin Mosely & Wife J. J. Singleton Etc. 1890-038

Chesterfield Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
Robert Elam the elder, etc. Frederick Raines, etc. 1783-031

Chesterfield Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
Tabitha Randolph Exr. of Peter Poythress 1798-023

Mecklenburg Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
Joshua Smith, etc. Hutchins Ferrell 1808-008

Mecklenburg Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
Lewis Poythress Edward Giles, Admr. etc. 1820-012

Mecklenburg Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
Petition of Sarah W.
Crowder &C by etc. (sic) Blank 1852-013

Mecklenburg Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
Jones, etc. Admr. of Harwell, etc.
1858-015 CC (?)

Mecklenburg Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
Edward Thomas, etc. Richard S. Thomas &C
by etc.
1865-011

Mecklenburg Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
Everett King Mansfield R. Seymour etc. 1867-027 CC

Mecklenburg Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
William L. Poythress Exr. of Nancy Thomas 1880-030 CC

Mecklenburg Co. Not filmed Not
filmed
R. P. Cleaton Harriet Thomas, etc.
1889-007 CC

The above total 17 cases. Frankly, the admonition for ordering copies @ .50
that "some of these cases are quiet long" is more interesting than
intimidating; I assume that means just all the more detail. Even if its an
average of 8 pages per case that works out to less than $70. Obviously, to
pay the out-of-state fee is a $340 choker that we avoid at all costs.

How to proceed? I guess first question is to we have anyone ready to kill a
day in the library? If not, do we have a VA resident that will order them?
I suppose we could split them up for transcribing purposes. Thoughts?

Maynard		07/17/2001 4:47:53
TripBe off the air for a few days folks. Have an opportunity to run down to
Hilton Head for a high cotton two night freebie and figure to spend a couple
of days in the Smokies on the way back.

Back about Tues or Wed of next week. Y'all behave.

Maynard



07/17/2001 5:11:41
Submarine LoreEver since the raising of the C. S. S. Hunley, people are discovering
Confederate submarines practically in goldfish ponds.

The following article is interesting. It cites what was apparently a
widespread (and published) effort to encourage citizens to design and/or
build underwater attack vessels as a quick response to the blockade problem.

I don't have the date on the story of Jack Poythress and his ill-fated
invention in which he presumably drowned but if that happened during the war
years this article lends it some credibility.

BY BRIAN HICKS
Of The Post and Courier staff

No one knows how the little Civil War-era submarine was built, how it
operated or what happened to its crew.

For more than a century those mysteries have stumped historians and
scientists.

Now the tiny submersible rests in a conservation lab, with scientists
working to restore it to its former glory and unlock its many secrets.

It is a familiar tale around Charleston, but this is not the story of the
H.L. Hunley.

This submarine, which belongs to the Louisiana State Museum, is undergoing
rehabilitation anonymously in a New Orleans lab. If it ever had a name, it's
long since been forgotten.

Found in a clump of weeds on the bank of Lake Pontchartrain in 1878, the sub
was long thought to be Horace Hunley and James McClintock's first effort,
the Pioneer. New research by Louisiana scholars and Hunley historians
indicates that's unlikely.

If it's not the Pioneer, what is it?

There is no shortage of theories. Some say a plantation owner built the sub
and two slaves perished in it on a test run. Others believe it's a prototype
for a submarine that a New Orleans businessman wanted to build. It may be
one of a fleet of subs built during the war in Shreveport, La.

Greg Lambousy, curator of exhibits for the Louisiana State Museum in New
Orleans, says the best guess right now seems to be that the sub was built in
New Orleans by one or two likely suspects.

But he's ruling nothing out.

"It could be related to McClintock and Hunley," Lambousy said. "But
McClintock never mentioned it."

The sub is 21 feet long - half the size of the Hunley - but shares many
other characteristics with the world's first attack sub: It is made of iron;
it had a propeller turned by men working a handcrank; it had diving fins and
maybe even a spar.

The lower part of the hull is rotted from poor early 20th-century
preservation efforts, but it doesn't need the electrolysis treatment the
Hunley requires to restore the health of its iron hull. Conservators
estimate it needs another year or so of work before the submarine is ready
for display.

When it is put on exhibit, though, they aren't sure what beginning they will
put on its long, strange history.

The notion of underwater boats was in vogue among Southerners in the early
days of the Civil War. Without a Navy of its own, the Confederates were
desperately searching for a way to level the playing field on the water.
Without the resources, money or time to build a fleet of warships, they had
to improvise.

A letter published in a Tennessee newspaper near the beginning of the war
urged Southerners to build sneaky underwater war machines. The writer even
provided a general blueprint - diving fins, screw propeller, etc. Whether
that letter sparked it, several projects soon were under way across Dixie.

Hunley and McClintock teamed up in this environment. Together with some
wealthy investors, including Hunley's brother-in-law, they began work on a
little sub they called, appropriately enough, the Pioneer.

The Pioneer carried a crew of three: one man to steer and operate its diving
fins; two to crank handles that turned the propeller. According to
McClintock, it had no ballast tanks.

The exact size is subject to debate. It could have been anywhere from 30- to
35-feet long. After the war, McClintock wrote, "She was made of iron a
quarter-inch thick. The boat was of a cigar shape, 30 feet long, and 4 feet
in diameter."

In March 1862, the Pioneer received a privateer license. It was the only sub
to receive official recognition from the Confederate government during the
war. But it never saw combat - it was still undergoing test runs on Lake
Pontchartrain when the Union invaded New Orleans in April 1862.

There was no way to save the submarine. It was too heavy to carry out of the
city, and it didn't have the range to escape upriver. Hunley and McClintock
chose to scuttle the sub in a canal on the outskirts of town to keep it out
of Yankee hands.

Just before they escaped the city under siege, they watched as workers
opened its hatch and let murky river water fill the hull until it
disappeared.

More than a decade after the end of the war, in 1878, workers dredging the
mouth of Bayou St. John found a pumpkinseed-shaped submarine lying in the
weeds on the banks of the lake.

It piqued little interest, and the sub continued to lie there abandoned for
years. Later it was moved to nearby Spanish Fort, then an amusement park.

When William Alexander, the Mobile engineer who helped build the Hunley,
published his lengthy history of the first attack sub in the New Orleans
paper in 1902, an editor's note at the beginning of the article mentioned
the abandoned sub out near Pontchartrain:

"Visitors to Spanish Fort may still see, half submerged in the weeds and
flowers growing on the bank of Bayou St. John, a rusty vessel of curious
shape. It is built of iron, about 20 feet long, and besides a propeller at
the stern, is adorned on either side by strangely shaped broad metal fins.
.... It was built during the war by Captain Hunley as a submarine torpedo
boat."

Most likely, the sub had been misidentified as the Pioneer long before, but
no one would question that claim for decades.

In 1908, the funny fish-boat was moved to the nearby Camp Nicholls
Confederate Home, where it would sit on display for more than 30 years. As
the little sub began to rust out, it was partially filled with concrete -
under the assumption that would preserve it.

Dave Johnson, one of the conservators working on the sub project, said that
well-meaning gesture did not help. The concrete trapped moisture in the sub,
and the water sparked rust. As the concrete expanded, the hull began to
crack. Slowly, the boat was being destroyed.

In the mid-20th century, the Louisiana State Museum took ownership and moved
the sub to Jackson Square across from the Cafe du Monde coffee shop.
Eventually, its rudders and propeller blades disappeared - French Quarter
souvenirs.

Later, the sub was placed behind bars under a portico at the Presbytere
arcade, one of the museum's exhibit halls. And there it sat until 1999, most
of that time people still believing it was the Pioneer, the grandfather of
the H.L. Hunley.

After the Hunley was discovered in 1995, interest in Civil War submarines
was revived. During that period, Mark Ragan, Hunley historian and author,
found records that seemed to indicate the museum's boat was not one of the
Hunley line.

In late 1863, Union engineers stationed in New Orleans found the Pioneer
lying in the mud around New Basin Canal, where McClintock had sunk his ship
a year-and-a-half earlier. A sketch of the sub was sent to an assistant
secretary of the Navy.

The sketch looks more like an early version of the Hunley - which it was -
and not the strange New Orleans boat.

A few years later, the Pioneer apparently suffered a sad end. In 1868, a New
Orleans paper reported that a torpedo submarine boat found in the New Basin
Canal after the war would be sold at auction that day.

The next edition reported the sub sold for scrap metal for $45. It was never
seen again.

It is almost fitting that the museum's sub was confused with the Pioneer for
so long, because the Pioneer may have had its history mixed up with this
submarine's.

Lambousy says one historical account the museum found tells a strange tale
about a wartime submarine boat. A wealthy plantation owner had built the
submarine to send into battle against a Union ship. He ordered two slaves to
test it in the river, and there they perished. The submarine sank.

For years, that tale was dismissed as legend, but part of the story shows up
in the Union's official report of its investigation of the Pioneer.

William H. Shock, the Union engineer who found the Pioneer, told Navy
officials that he'd been told two "contrabands" died in it on trial runs.

That story doesn't mesh with McClintock's history of his first sub. The
Pioneer was piloted by a friend of Hunley's and no one ever died on it,
according to McClintock.

Could this be the slave sub? Lambousy says there is no evidence either way.

Historians have little to go on, but they believe the submarine was built in
New Orleans - a number of foundries there could have done the work. It could
have come from other cities - submarines were being built all across the
South, and the North - at the time. Four submarines were built in
Shreveport, La., and some of those have not been accounted for.

The leading candidates as the sub's builders are John Nesmyth and John Roy.
Historical records show Nesmyth created a "submarine mortar" and Roy
experimented with cannon that fired underwater.

But Lambousy concedes no one may ever know where the submarine really came
from.

Dave Johnson, a metals conservation expert, says the sub did not absorb much
saltwater while in the lake, although Pontchartrain may not have been as
salty in the 19th century as it is now. He says it appears the submarine was
propelled by two men while another man drove - just like the Pioneer. The
sub has iron ballast in its bottom but also may have allowed water in the
crew compartment.

"They may have cranked with their feet wet," Johnson says.

There are some innovative design attributes on the sub - its forward hatch,
long since gone, was offset to one side, away from the crankshaft. There
appears to be a place to mount a spar. Its hull plates are formed in a
strange pattern - this was not a converted boiler.

"This was built to be a submarine," Johnson says.

The conservators had to chip the concrete out of the hull, a painful and
painstaking task. They are now scraping the rust, treating the sub gingerly
and not doing anything that can't be reversed.

Bob Neyland, Hunley project director, had a look at the sub and said he
noted some similarities with the Hunley.

The New Orleans sub is more primitive, and may predate the Hunley, he said,
but the two boats share several attributes.

Although he knows little about the sub, Neyland is fairly certain of one
thing.

"It's not the Pioneer, because it doesn't match the two existing drawings of
it. But it certainly is Civil War-era."

The little Louisiana State Museum sub shares one other trait with the H.L.
Hunley - it is reluctant to give up its secrets.

Copyright 2001 The Post and Courier		07/17/2001 7:46:34
Virginia GraveyardsDiana DiamondInteresting, Maynard.

The article you posted late last week about a Prince William record book
posted on Ebay reminded me of this article . Old grave stones are another
possible source of new genealogical material in Virginia.

Who knows? Some of those missing Poythress links may turn up yet.

Diana


Reclaiming Forgotten Family Graveyards
Counties Are Mapping Obscure Cemeteries In Bid to Shield Them

By Michael Amon
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, July 8, 2001; Page C01


In fast-growing Prince William County, the sleep of the dead is disturbed
just as the sleep of the living -- by the din of construction.

For years, residents believe, bulldozers making way for fancy town houses
have paved over family graveyards and slave burial sites. The county, like
much of Virginia and Maryland, is full of centuries-old cemeteries -- many
of which are almost undetectable to developers.

"On just about any development of any size, there's bound to be a cemetery
within a stone's throw that needs to be protected," said Don Wilson, a
historian at the Bull Run Regional Library near Manassas.

But Prince William officials face a problem common across the expanding
Washington region: They don't know where the graves are. So the county is
taking measures to keep cemeteries away from the cement. Over the next year,
it will search for and document every graveyard in the county -- from the
large Manassas city cemetery to those as small as a couple of fieldstones
that date to the Revolutionary War.

The effort is similar to others across the Washington region. In Loudoun
County, private historians at the Thomas Balch Library in Leesburg have been
documenting graveyards and supplying the information to the county for 18
months. Fairfax completed a study of its cemeteries in 1995. And this year,
Maryland embarked upon a project to identify and map each of the state's
6,000 to 9,000 burial sites.

"The new people who come in are just plain ignorant of the graveyards," said
Kristin Kraske, president of the Coalition to Protect Maryland Burial Sites
Inc. "Nobody has mapped them out or anything. You don't see them until you
hit them, and that has happened."

In Prince William, the new cemetery information will update county maps that
the planning office uses when reviewing potential developments. Current maps
display about 255 cemeteries, but they're not accurate, said county planner
Robert Bainbridge.

"The map will protect people from violating Virginia law," Bainbridge said.
It is a misdemeanor to intentionally disturb a cemetery in Virginia.

Ron Turner, the local historian hired to conduct the survey, predicted that
he would find at least 150 forgotten cemeteries before next spring. With the
help of satellites, Turner will pinpoint the longitude and latitude of every
graveyard he finds.

Not knowing where the cemeteries are has been a problem for developers.

In 1985, the Potomac Mills shopping center had to build around two small
family burial grounds. Mills Corp., which built and operates the mall,
preserves and maintains the graveyards of the Pattersons, who were
19th-century dairy farmers, and the Nashes, a family that lived in the
Dumfries District since the turn of the century. Each is isolated from the
shopping center by a fence.

Construction crews at Baltimore-Washington International Airport once turned
up a potter's field.

And several graves have been found on what will soon become one of Prince
William's largest subdivisions -- the $3 billion, 2,500-home Southbridge
development on the Cherry Hill Peninsula.

One of them is Dunnington Cemetery. Typical of many old family plots,
Dunnington is little more than a few depressions in the ground surrounded by
vegetation and forest and covered with periwinkle, a flower often planted on
graves before the 20th century.

It is in the middle of what planners hope will become a Reston-style town
center with more than 3.7 million square feet of commercial office space.
Southbridge developer Mike Anderson said he is going to try to make the
graveyard a prominent feature of the development.

"When all is said and done, you'd rather not have a cemetery on the land
because it adds a constraint, but you can also use it to make a connection
between the past and the future," Anderson said.

Not far from Dunnington is Tebbsdale Cemetery, where Revolutionary War Col.
Willoughby Tebbs was buried in 1803. The graveyard is named on county maps,
but when Anderson began surveying the land, he found it on the other side of
a creek, about a half-mile from its purported location.

Cemetery documentation efforts are common in the South, where family plots
often outnumber church and city cemeteries. The issue is particularly keen
in Virginia, said Brian Conley, a Fairfax historian who documented
cemeteries.
*****
In 1623, the Virginia House of Burgesses passed a law requiring large
plantations to have cemeteries, eliminating the need for large community and
church plots, Conley said. "That same idea was passed on to smaller
plantations and family farms," Conley said. "The model followed into the
early 20th century."
*******
In Maryland, family cemeteries have rubbed shoulders with development and
expansion.

In May, the King and White families in Howard County persuaded public
officials not to take land from their 172-year-old family cemetery to widen
a road.

The King-White cemetery has 29 headstones, but the family believes there are
many unmarked graves and slaves who might have been buried closer to the
road, said Sylvia Crutchfield, a White descendant who lives in Alexandria.

In the next year, the families will have an archaeologist survey the land
and identify all the graves.

And many Kings and Whites want the family cemetery to be their own final
resting place.

"I will be buried there myself," Crutchfield said. "These are my ancestors.
This is my family. This land belonged to us for centuries. It's something
that you know is permanent."



© 2001 The Washington Post Company		07/17/2001 8:54:31
Re: Submarine LoreDiana DiamondI guess it has escaped me in the past that the Poythress family and
submarines have a long history.

I entered--Poythress submarine--into google, and it gave me
the URL below, wherein a Poythress was part of the operations behind the
Hunley, if I read this correctly.

I used Control-F and entered Poythress on Microsoft Explorer, to find the
name in a long list of names on this site:
http://www.thistlegroup.net/holyloch/hunley3.htm

But, Maynard, you should check out the other listings--Poythress
submarine--spits out. Two pages. Some more interesting than others.

In the Archives I found these two mentions of Jack and the submarine.
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/P/POYTHRESS
+2000+193444850+F

http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/P/POYTHRESS
+1997+158292988+F

Diana		07/17/2001 9:27:54
TripWillow Bend BooksI had the pleasure of going to the S.C. Genealogical Society Conference in
Columbia, SC this past weekend. It was a pleasure, losing 3rd gear was not,
but that is another more expensive story.

So coming down 95 and 301 I touched such places where Poythresses were and
are. For the first time, north of Wilson on 301 I noticed Poythress Road.

So I got to thinking and when I came home I found more Poythress Roads:

Gloria B. Poythress 252.237.2711 (B) 1994 03-31-2001
1917-B Poythress Road 252.291.9166 (H) 03-09-1998 (Reappointment)
Wilson, NC 27893 happens to be on the Board of Adjustment there not to
mention being an event coordinator.

RED CLAY RAMBLERS - bluegrass, Sat., Oct. 1 & Sun., Oct. 2, Camp Pow Wow,
Poythress Road, Chatham Country. 7 p.m. $20/$10 forv12 and under. [I assume
North Carolina]




Mr. Willie T. Gates, of Poythress Road, Newnan, died Nov. 29, 1998 at Newnan
Hospital.

Mr. Gates was the husband of Mrs. Leona Gates.

Funeral arrangements will be announced later.

Sellers-Smith Funeral Home Inc., Newnan.

and

Mr. Brison "Brad" Evans, 28, of Poythress Road in Newnan passed away Sept.
8, 1997 at Peachtree Regional Hospital.

Born Feb. 28, 1969, Mr. Evans was the son of the late Charlie A. Evans. He
was preceded in death by a brother, Charlie Albert Evans Jr.

Memorial services were held Sept. 11 at Sellers-Smith Funeral Home with the
Rev. Marion H. Price Sr. officiating, assisted by the Rev. J.C. Strickland
and minister Mary Nell Burden.

ON MOTION of Commissioner McGuffey, seconded by Commissioner Schlumper,
passing unanimously, the Board voted to approve the minutes from Regular
Meeting held on March 20, 2001 with clarification that the county does not
need to obtain right-of-way on Poythress Road, and approved the minutes from
their Called Meeting held on March 26, 2001. {Coweta County, Ga.}

15. Final Approval of Glen Ridge, Phase Two: Consideration of a request by
Musigny, Inc. for final approval of Glen Ridge, Phase Two, consisting of
four (4) lots on approximately 19.9 acres, off SR #1534 (Poythress Road) in
Baldwin Township {Chatham County, N.C.}

I guess you had to be there.

Craig






Craig R. Scott, CGRS

Willow Bend Books
65 East Main Street
Westminster, MD 21157-5026
WillowBend@willowbend.net
www.WillowBendBooks.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Diana Diamond"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:54 PM
Subject: Virginia Graveyards


> Interesting, Maynard.
>
> The article you posted late last week about a Prince William record book
> posted on Ebay reminded me of this article . Old grave stones are another
> possible source of new genealogical material in Virginia.
>
> Who knows? Some of those missing Poythress links may turn up yet.
>
> Diana
>
>
> Reclaiming Forgotten Family Graveyards
> Counties Are Mapping Obscure Cemeteries In Bid to Shield Them
>
> By Michael Amon
> Washington Post Staff Writer
> Sunday, July 8, 2001; Page C01
>
>
> In fast-growing Prince William County, the sleep of the dead is disturbed
> just as the sleep of the living -- by the din of construction.
>
> For years, residents believe, bulldozers making way for fancy town houses
> have paved over family graveyards and slave burial sites. The county, like
> much of Virginia and Maryland, is full of centuries-old cemeteries -- many
> of which are almost undetectable to developers.
>
> "On just about any development of any size, there's bound to be a cemetery
> within a stone's throw that needs to be protected," said Don Wilson, a
> historian at the Bull Run Regional Library near Manassas.
>
> But Prince William officials face a problem common across the expanding
> Washington region: They don't know where the graves are. So the county is
> taking measures to keep cemeteries away from the cement. Over the next
year,
> it will search for and document every graveyard in the county -- from the
> large Manassas city cemetery to those as small as a couple of fieldstones
> that date to the Revolutionary War.
>
> The effort is similar to others across the Washington region. In Loudoun
> County, private historians at the Thomas Balch Library in Leesburg have
been
> documenting graveyards and supplying the information to the county for 18
> months. Fairfax completed a study of its cemeteries in 1995. And this
year,
> Maryland embarked upon a project to identify and map each of the state's
> 6,000 to 9,000 burial sites.
>
> "The new people who come in are just plain ignorant of the graveyards,"
said
> Kristin Kraske, president of the Coalition to Protect Maryland Burial
Sites
> Inc. "Nobody has mapped them out or anything. You don't see them until you
> hit them, and that has happened."
>
> In Prince William, the new cemetery information will update county maps
that
> the planning office uses when reviewing potential developments. Current
maps
> display about 255 cemeteries, but they're not accurate, said county
planner
> Robert Bainbridge.
>
> "The map will protect people from violating Virginia law," Bainbridge
said.
> It is a misdemeanor to intentionally disturb a cemetery in Virginia.
>
> Ron Turner, the local historian hired to conduct the survey, predicted
that
> he would find at least 150 forgotten cemeteries before next spring. With
the
> help of satellites, Turner will pinpoint the longitude and latitude of
every
> graveyard he finds.
>
> Not knowing where the cemeteries are has been a problem for developers.
>
> In 1985, the Potomac Mills shopping center had to build around two small
> family burial grounds. Mills Corp., which built and operates the mall,
> preserves and maintains the graveyards of the Pattersons, who were
> 19th-century dairy farmers, and the Nashes, a family that lived in the
> Dumfries District since the turn of the century. Each is isolated from the
> shopping center by a fence.
>
> Construction crews at Baltimore-Washington International Airport once
turned
> up a potter's field.
>
> And several graves have been found on what will soon become one of Prince
> William's largest subdivisions -- the $3 billion, 2,500-home Southbridge
> development on the Cherry Hill Peninsula.
>
> One of them is Dunnington Cemetery. Typical of many old family plots,
> Dunnington is little more than a few depressions in the ground surrounded
by
> vegetation and forest and covered with periwinkle, a flower often planted
on
> graves before the 20th century.
>
> It is in the middle of what planners hope will become a Reston-style town
> center with more than 3.7 million square feet of commercial office space.
> Southbridge developer Mike Anderson said he is going to try to make the
> graveyard a prominent feature of the development.
>
> "When all is said and done, you'd rather not have a cemetery on the land
> because it adds a constraint, but you can also use it to make a connection
> between the past and the future," Anderson said.
>
> Not far from Dunnington is Tebbsdale Cemetery, where Revolutionary War
Col.
> Willoughby Tebbs was buried in 1803. The graveyard is named on county
maps,
> but when Anderson began surveying the land, he found it on the other side
of
> a creek, about a half-mile from its purported location.
>
> Cemetery documentation efforts are common in the South, where family plots
> often outnumber church and city cemeteries. The issue is particularly keen
> in Virginia, said Brian Conley, a Fairfax historian who documented
> cemeteries.
> *****
> In 1623, the Virginia House of Burgesses passed a law requiring large
> plantations to have cemeteries, eliminating the need for large community
and
> church plots, Conley said. "That same idea was passed on to smaller
> plantations and family farms," Conley said. "The model followed into the
> early 20th century."
> *******
> In Maryland, family cemeteries have rubbed shoulders with development and
> expansion.
>
> In May, the King and White families in Howard County persuaded public
> officials not to take land from their 172-year-old family cemetery to
widen
> a road.
>
> The King-White cemetery has 29 headstones, but the family believes there
are
> many unmarked graves and slaves who might have been buried closer to the
> road, said Sylvia Crutchfield, a White descendant who lives in Alexandria.
>
> In the next year, the families will have an archaeologist survey the land
> and identify all the graves.
>
> And many Kings and Whites want the family cemetery to be their own final
> resting place.
>
> "I will be buried there myself," Crutchfield said. "These are my
ancestors.
> This is my family. This land belonged to us for centuries. It's something
> that you know is permanent."
>
>
>
> © 2001 The Washington Post Company
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Web Page is at http://www1.minn.net/~atims/
>
>
>
>
>		07/17/2001 9:32:08
Looking for lost researchers....Carol A. MorrisonThought I'd past this to this list in case these folks are monitoring this
list... Carol

From: "Charles Dozier" | Block Address |
Add to Address Book
To:
Subject: Information, Please
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:15:01 -0400



Dear Carol,
I have recently found the NORTHAMPTON County sight on the internet. This
is in North Carolina. However, when I e -mail these addresses they are
returned to me. The one that I am most interested in at this time is one
for a Jean Poythross Spille ...Spillej@esper. com Another one that I was
interested in was: Bill Kemp at bkemp@costlnet.com. I know these two
people could help me and I am sure that could help them with this inquiry
regarding Turners, Poythress and Peters/Peterson. Is there any e-mail
address that I could find out where these people in hopes of calling them.
As I said both e-mails came back as if the servers were out of use. Any
help you can give me will be appreciated. Elsie
c.f.dozier@worldnet.att.net		07/18/2001 5:42:30
Newent, Gloucestershire, history searchDiana DiamondI found this on line, and I thought it worth sharing. Newent, as you are
aware, is the spot where Francis Poythress, original immigrant Poythress,
was baptized.

I checked http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/ in the archives for
Newent.

Diana

Newent starting to be chronicled
"And we shall need help," said Dr Nicholas Herbert, who has been editor of
the Gloucestershire project for more than 30 years. Newent doesn't have a
modern history or even a good old history.They already have source material
in three books written by Newent historian David Bick, in particular on the
Mines of Newent and Ross and the Hereford and Gloucester Canal. "We hope
also to be getting material from private individuals who have dug out things
in their attics, from solicitors' offices, public institutions and parish
councils," said Dr Herbert.
31/05/01		07/23/2001 3:05:18
Virginia Historical InventoryTypically, the LVA bimonthly library newsletter has an article in each issue
covering new material now placed on line at the LVA web site.

This month the article is quite long and details the materials of the
"Virginia Historical Inventory" that are now on line. This is a collection
of WPA works accumulating writings, maps and other materials collected in the
30's.

On the surface, that would say little of interest to us other than curios.
However, some of this material details "inventories" back into the 18th and
19th centuries.
You might find a search interesting.

Maynard		07/24/2001 3:45:13
Wiley, Willie, Willy Poythress: War of 1812 LVADiana DiamondMaynard,

I couldn't seem to find a newsletter page at the LVA, but looking I came
across this in a section called "new". [
http://eagle.vsla.edu/cgi-bin/war1812.gateway?searchtype=author&conf=010000+
+++++++++++++&searcharg=Poythress%2c+Wiley. ]

Diana

Index to the War of 1812 Pay Rolls & Muster Rolls: CATALOG CARD

NAME Poythress, Wiley.
Pay Rolls, p.191

NAME Poythress, Willie.
Muster Rolls, p.408


NAME Poythriss, Willy.
Muster Rolls, p.154


NOTE Part of index to: Pay Rolls of Militia Entitled to Land Bounty Under
the Act of Congress of Sept. 28, 1850 (Richmond, 1851) and: Muster Rolls of
the Virginia Militia in the War of 1812 (Richmond, 1852) which supplements
Pay Rolls. This collection is also available on microfilm.
SUBJECT United States -- History -- War of 1812 -- Registers.
COLLECTION War of 1812 pay rolls and muster rolls.		07/24/2001 6:17:07
Peter Poythress Family and Bland's MillDiana DiamondI found the inventory, if not the newsletter. This one was of particular
interest to me. Peter Poythress and Richard Bland are part of my group.
But there are other Poythress family members listed in this group
http://eagle.vsla.edu/cgi-bin/vhi.gateway?searchtype=keyword&searcharg=Poyth
ress

Diana

RECORD NO. VHIR/22/0495
REPORTER Harrison, Jennie S.
TITLE Bland's Mill : survey report, 1937 Sep. 22 / research made by Jennie
S. Harrison.
3 leaves.
NOTE Map location number: PG106
NOTE Class: Mill (site)
NOTE Building date: Prior to 1690
NOTE Builder: John Tylor
NOTE Building material: Frame
NOTE Location: 7.2 miles east of Hopewell on Rt. 10.
NOTE Primary owners: John Taylor, Peter Poythress family, Richard Bland,
James Cooke, James Hargrave
NOTE John Taylor supposedly built the mill between 1675-1690 and also owned
Flower de Hundred plantation. James Cooke owned Bonaccord estate and
operated the mill during the Civil War, when it received much damage. John
Cole kept the mill running after the war, and it stayed operational until
1920.
NOTE Includes description of the site. Only the foundation remains.
NOTE Includes abstracts of title.
NOTE Report accompanied by photograph: VHIP/22/0151.
OTHER FORMAT Also available on microfilm.
ISSUING BODY This write-up is a part of the Virginia W.P.A. Historical
Inventory Project sponsored by the Virginia Conservation Commission under
the direction of its Division of History.
REPRODUCTION Computer file. Richmond, Va. : Library of Virginia, 1998. 3
image files
---
From page
http://eagle.vsla.edu/cgi-bin/vhi.gateway?bib=0007-01560&conf=010000++++++++
++++++		07/24/2001 6:37:50
VA Chancery IndexBruce Porter (with a Virginia address) has gracefully offered to order these
copies for us to escape the $20 each out of state surcharge.

Bruce, will your graciousness allow me to hold you in my back pocket while I
shop for a better deal with the logic as described below.

Craig Scott is on some high powered committee at the library, has access to
the "forms" (you all didn't think we'd get away without doing it in
quadruplicate for all 17 of them did you ?). I would also suspect that Craig
might be able to say to the young library intern to just forget it if one of
these things run to some God-awful length (say, over 10 pages) for any single
one.

Craig.....I'll do the paying, I'll do the transcribing. Would you take the
list of 17 and go get 'em tiger for us? We would all elect you something of
the year.....whatever you choose but the job doesn't pay.

Maynard		07/24/2001 7:06:42
Re: Wiley, Willie, Willy Poythress: War of 1812 LVADiana.....I found that guy too a while back. Didn't know what else to do
with him so I just stuck him on my hard drive figuring he might someday ring
a bell. As you confessed, I will too: I'm getting entirely too much of that
stuff hiding in there.

Maynard



07/24/2001 7:10:07
VA Historical InventorySorry to have not stated this one plainly.

The LVA newsletter is not put on line. It is mailed to members. And with
almost each issue is mentioned a new group of records or a record index which
has recently been digitalized and is on-line.

This issue mentions the Virginia Historical Inventory.

Diana has gone to the inventory itself and searched out the 8 Poythress
entries. These look to be a gold mine but, as usual with an "index" you
either have to go to the library or order copies of the documents.

Paste the address Diana gives into your browser and bring up the 8 Poythress
entries found.

Maynard		07/24/2001 9:03:27
Membership & VA 1600sDiana DiamondWow, thanks to the elusive Al Timms, list administrator, for the head count
and for all the work involved in keeping the list and archives straight. As
you are aware, I somehow thought you might be with us even now after two
years, but then I also thought you might be on a beach in Australia. Don't
ask!

Let's hear from more of you 90 odd folks!

Bellinda,

Calling Mary a Sloman, I didn't do, but I hope the references to R. Bolling
Batte's four cards on your query did help.
http://lvaimage.lib.va.us/collections/BA.html Stith J: 4-5 and 23-24

For the group, this is what I said, "Francis Poythress, the immigrant, had
as his wife Mary, who later, married Robert Wynne. Some people call her
Sloman, but there is no substantiating evidence that I can find. We are
talking 350 years ago, and evidence is slim, but that doesn't stop some
people from extrapolating and then turning conjecture into fact." I have
seen Mary's surname as Peachy, too, which I personally like the sound of,
but still no evidence. As she appears four-five times in my family tree, I
feel I should be able to choose!

Bellinda, there are several more erudite discussions of the Sloman name in
the Poythress archives, which I would recommend for you:
Search the POYTHRESS archives:
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=POYTHRESS
Browse the POYTHRESS archives:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/poythress

Diana		07/26/2001 2:31:36
(no subject)Lyn, thought this would be of interest to you in particular. I went to the
site and it turned out that Mecklenburg is simply one of all the counties
placing photos on US Genweb.

X-Message: #1
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:44:22 -0400
From: "Paul M. Mott"
To: VAMECKLE-L@rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <008001c11507$883f78e0$6e01010a@it04>
Subject: chase city/christiansville
Content-Type: text/plain;
    charset="iso-8859-1"

http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/va/photo/mecklenburg/pmecklen.htm

Many of the items on the above page are from our collection of Chase City and
Mecklenburg County items.  In fact we have hundreds more, and have forwarded
many to the website, which they have decided not to post, apparently.  For
example, we have a 750 page ledger from the Boydton Hotel, dated 1845, which
the Library of Virginia microfilmed due to its importance, yet the website
will not post any pictures of.  It contains literally hundreds of names
interesting to those doing research.  We also have hundreds of business
invoices from the early 20th century from Chase City.


We are very interested in getting more Chase City items if anyone has any
pointers or items they might want to sell.  Of particular interest is the
Mecklenburg Hotel and the Mecklenburg Spring.

Thanks		07/26/2001 6:27:45
VA 1600'sHello,

Does anyone have any information on:

Mrs. Mary ?/SLOMAN (POYTHRESS) (MOSEBY) in 1600's Virginia who married as her
first husband, I believe, Francis POYTHRESS and then did she marry a man
named ? SLOMAN as her 2nd husband or was SLOMAN her maiden name?

She was the mother of Mrs. Jane MOSEBY/MOSBY (GREGORY) (PARSONS) who married
as her 3rd husband, (Major) John STITH.

Does anyone have information regarding this?

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Bellinda Myrick - Barnett		07/26/2001 7:35:04
Current List MembershipAlbert TimsPoythress List,

The Poythress-D (Digest Only) list has 13 current subscribers
The Poythress-L (Mailing List) has 80 current subscribers

For privacy protection we will not post a full roster of the email addresses of individual subscribers.

Best,
Al Tims
Poythress List Administrator		07/26/2001 10:28:12
Re: VA 1600's and my error in POYTHRESS SLOMAN post earlierHello, list:

Thanks very much to Diana DIAMOND and an email that I received from her just
now, I realized that my poor tired brain had just 'fritzed' when I sent the
following message about my maternal 11th great grandmother:

Mrs. Mary SLOMAN (POYTHRESS) who married Robert WYNNE, (my maternal 11th
great grandfather,) were the parents of Thomas WYNNE who married Agnes STITH,
(my maternal 10th great grandparents,) (and Agnes STITH was the daughter of
Mrs. Jane MOSEBY (GREGORY) (PARSONS) and her 3rd husband, (Major) John STITH,
my maternal 11th great grandparents.) My descent continues through Agnes
STITH and Thomas WYNNE's son, (Colonel) Robert WYNNE and his wife, Martha
JEFFERSON, through their daughter Lucretia WYNNE and her husband, Joseph
Tudor TUCKER.

It was my incorrect placement of Mrs. Mary ? SLOMAN? (POYTHRESS,)
momentarily, as the mother of Mrs. Jane MOSEBY (GREGORY) (PARSONS,) (as I am
searching for information regarding the parents of both of these women.) I
have it all straight in my files but, somehow, while typing out a series of
different emails and such, regarding searches, I scrambled my information.
Too sleepy I think.

I do apologize to everyone on the list and I greatly thank Diana for alerting
me when she emailed me mentioning that she was unaware of a 3rd marriage for
Mrs. Mary SLOMAN (POYTHRESS) after she married as her known 2nd husband,
Robert WYNNE, and I realized the when I looked at it what I had done! The
minute I saw Robert WYNNE's name as her husband I realized what I had done.
Just one of those moments that we wish we would never have!

Thanks, Diana, and thanks for the other information as well..

Sincerely,

Bellinda Myrick - Barnett

In a message dated 01-07-26 13:35:04 EDT, you write:

<< Subj: VA 1600's
Date: 01-07-26 13:35:04 EDT
From: BandB4951


Hello,

Does anyone have any information on:

Mrs. Mary ?/SLOMAN (POYTHRESS) (MOSEBY) in 1600's Virginia who married as
her first husband, I believe, Francis POYTHRESS and then did she marry a man
named ? SLOMAN as her 2nd husband or was SLOMAN her maiden name?

She was the mother of Mrs. Jane MOSEBY/MOSBY (GREGORY) (PARSONS) who married
as her 3rd husband, (Major) John STITH.

Does anyone have information regarding this?

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Bellinda Myrick - Barnett >>		07/26/2001 12:19:31
Re:Martha J. Poythress (Neal)Pat J. AutryI found her !I found her! I found her! I'm thrilled!!
Finally went to Emporia, Greenville County, VA

My Martha J. Poythress was married on March 12th 1880 to Edward Neal
in Greenville Co, VA. The marriage certificate indicates that she was
the daughter of Julia Poythress.
I also found an Oct 6 1873 marriage license there for James H.
Poythress & Eliza Spencer which indicates his parents were William
Poythress and wife Julia. The license indicates that there was "no
return of this marriage" by minister.

I did find a few other marriages there that I'll see about posting to
Poythress Email in case someone needs the info.

Finally, after 3 years, some headway. Unlike the story I was told that
she came over after a potato famine, her marriage certificate states
that she was born in Greenville county.

Does anyone on the list recognize William Poythress and wife Julia of Greenville Co VA in the mid 1800s? Daughter Martha's marriage certificate indicates that she
would have born in 1858 - 22 years old when married March 1880. Assuming James H. Poythress who got marriage license Oct 1873 at age 22 is her brother, William and
Julia would have been married prior to 1851. Guessing William died between 1873 and 1880.

Appreciate any info.

Pat Autry		07/27/2001 6:34:20
Re:Martha J. Poythress (Neal)Charles NealCongratulations, Pat, on finding your Martha J. Poythress' marriage license
for marriage to Edward Neal in Greenville Co, VA on 12 Mar 1880. That is
not a marriage I knew about before, and I likewise did not previously know
of the 6 Oct 1873 one for James H. Poythress & Eliza Spencer, or any
others from Greenville Co, so I do indeed look forward to any posting of
others.

My accumulated Poythress data only has one slim possibility for help on the
William Poythress who fathered at least the above James H & maybe also the
Martha J, along with mother Julia:

From emails back in early 1999, which I am sure were to the Poythress List,
I had entered the marriage of James R. Portis/Poythress to Sarah Crowder in
(not distant) Northampton Co, NC on 13 January 1827, along with a list of
their children. The 2nd child was a William, about whom no further info was
given. The emails I noted were on 2/3/99 from Jean Poythress Spille (now
Jean Poythress) and on 3/29/99 from Lynn Poythress. They would've had to
have had son William pretty quickly in order for their William to be father
of James H & Julia.

Seems like we had some messages about Poythresses in one or more censuses
in Greenville Co, Va, at some point, too, so you may want to check the
Poythress-List Archives for that info, too.

Good luck on finding further information on your ancestor -
Barbara Poythress Neal		07/27/2001 8:01:14
VA Chancery IndexCharles NealMaynard & Bruce, & all (& with a welcome back to Al Tims, by the way),

Per earlier messages this year, allow me to refresh your memory that Craig
has already copied in late March some of the Mecklenburg Co cases & I've
begun working on transcribing them, though granted not with the speed that
any of us would wish.

I have been away on trips & completely unavailable for working on genealogy
much of this summer, & then to add insult, I had a major computer failure
several weeks ago.

The ones that Craig looked for may or may not be *all* of the same ones
that you listed in your message of 7/17 Maynard (I can't tell since your
message spaced-out so strangely that I cannot easity read it), but they are
the ones that Lyn P Baird & I mentioned in our messages of 2/20/01
(pertinent portions listing them copied below).

Hope to get back to the transcribing very soon.
Barbara Poythress Neal
= = = = =

First, copied from my 2/20/01 message to the List; below that is Lyn P
Baird's message of earlier that day.

I have none of the indicated documents & would love to have copies of all
of them. Craig, if you can indeed obtain photocopies while you are at LVA
for the March 19th meeting, I would be happy to reimburse you for the
costs of obtaining them (unless you wish to keep said copies, yourself) &
then I'll be glad to abstract/transcribe them for us all.

I can also offer the following observations after comparing the names &
time periods, to notes re Mecklenburg Co Deed Indexes and to Wills that we
have seen previously:

1) re Index Number 1808-008 re Plaintiffs Joshua Smith etc & Defendants
Hutchins Ferrell, which includes Poythress in the list of surnames: I did
not find the names Smith, Hutchins, or Ferrell in any items that had
"Poythress" (& variant spellings) in the Deed Indexes. The Hutchins name
seems very familiar to me & I cannot place why. Also I am interested to
see what tie-in the Smith name brings, since the late Betty Lawrence (of
Meridian, Mississippi) had mentioned some Smith connection in her Poythress
stuff years ago.

2) re Index Number 1820-012 re Plaintiff Lewis Poythress & Defendants
Edward Giles, Admr Etc, which includes Potress and Poythress in the list of
surnames along with Bassey, Giles, & Nance. In the Deed Indexes, I don't
see these various other names associated with any Poythress items. However,
we have previously seen the Mecklenburg Will signed on 10 March 1818 by
Edward Giles, which I will re-post tonight as an email. This chancery suit
might have been filed as a result of part of that Will's provisions, by
Lewis Poythress against the Administrator of Edward Giles estate.

3) re Index Number 1858-015 CC re Plaintiffs Jones Etc & Defendants Admr of
Harwell Etc, which includes surnames Bracey, Childress, Griffin, Harwell,
Jones, King, Pennington, Poythress, Puryear, Smith, & Wall: In the Deed
Indexes, I see that in June of 1836 there was a Mecklenburg Deed between
Grantors Grief Harwell etal and Grantee Lewis Poythress, listed as being in
Deed Book 16, beginning on p.230. This chancery suit might have been
filed as a result of something about that transaction.

4) re Index Number 1867-027 CC re Plaintiffs Everett King & Defendants
Mansfield R. Seymour Etc, which includes surnames Boyd, King, Poythress, &
Seymour: In the Deed Indexes, I don't see these various other names
associated with any Poythress items. I note, however, that the King name
here may be related to the King name in #3 above, and may furnish further
info from the same earlier tie-in.

5) re Index Number 1880-030 CC re Plaintiffs William L Portress/Poythress &
Defendants Exr of Nancy Thomas, which includes numerous surnames including
Boyd & Thomas. In the Deed Indexes, I don't see these various other names
associated with any Poythress items. I note, however, that the Boyd name
here may be related to the Boyd name in #4 above, and may furnish further
info from the same earlier tie-in, as well as being interesting due to
Lyn's earlier info re Nancy Thomas & Lucy Thomas Poythress.

6) re Index Number 1889-007 CC re Plaintiffs R P Cleaton & Defendants
Harriet Thomas Etc, which includes surnames Cleaton, Poythress, Rainey, &
Thomas: In the Deed Indexes, I see that in 1797 there was a Mecklenburg
Deed between Grantor John Cleaton & Grantee Lewis Poythress (DB 10, p.62)
and a 1799 Dower Release between Grantor Martha Cleaton & Grantee Lewis
Poythress (DB10, p.96). And I note that, more likely, the Thomas name here
may be related to the Thomas name in #5 & #6 above, and may furnish further
info from the same earlier tie-ins.

All of these should assist us in our research. Thanks, Lyn, for posting
the chancery index Poythress entries that you found.

Barbara Poythress Neal
= = = = = =

Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:12:51 -0500
Subject: Poythress in Mecklenburg Va. Chancery Index
From: Lyn Baird
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Thanks to the alert from Maynard Poythress, I visited the new chancery
court index on the Library of Virginia site at
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/state/records/chancery/index.htm. Below are the
responses I found for surname Poythress / Portress / Potress in Mecklenburg
County. To date Mecklenburg is the only published county of the
"southeastern piedmont" group. Other counties in this group include Prince
George, Dinwiddie, Lunenburg and Brunswick.

1) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
Index Number 1808-008
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: JOSHUA SMITH ETC
Defendants D1: HUTCHINS FERRELL
Surnames-
COLLIER
FERRELL
FOX
HOLMES
LARK
POYTHRESS
SMITH
TAYLOR
WRIGHT
Wills - NONE
Original Local Case Number - NONE

2) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
Index Number 1820-012
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: LEWIS POYTHRESS
Defendants D1: EDWARD GILES ADMR ETC
Surnames -
BASSEY
GILES
NANCE
POTRESS
POYTHRESS
Wills - NONE
Original Local Case Number - NONE
[My note: This Lewis Poythress is likely the widower of Elizabeth Giles,
deceased, daughter of Edward Giles.]

3) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
Index Number 1858-015 CC
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: JONES ETC
Defendants D1: ADMR OF HARWELL ETC
Surnames -
BRACEY
CHILDRESS
GRIFFIN
HARWELL
JONES
KING
PENNINGTON
POYTHRESS
PURYEAR
SMITH
WALL
Wills - NONE
Original Local Case Number - NONE

4) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
Index Number 1867-027 CC
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: EVERETT KING
Defendants D1: MANSFIELD R SEYMOUR ETC
Surnames -
BOYD
KING
POYTHRESS
SEYMOUR
Wills - NONE
Original Local Case Number - NONE

5) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
Index Number 1880-030 CC
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: WILLIAM L PORTRESS (WILLIAM L POYTHRESS)
Defendants D1: EXR OF NANCY THOMAS
Surnames -
ATKINS
BOYD
BURTON
GREGG
LEE
LOVE
PORTRESS
POYTHRESS
RIGGAN
THOMAS
THROWER
Wills - NONE
Original Local Case Number - NONE
[My note: This William L. Poythress is likely the grandson of Nancy
Thomas through her daughter, Lucy Thomas Poythress, and is likely the
grandson of Lewis Poythress.]

6) Locality MECKLENBURG CO
Index Number 1889-007 CC
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number - Not Filmed
Local Reel Number - Not Filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: R P CLEATON
Defendants D1: HARRIET THOMAS ETC
Surnames -
CLEATON
POYTHRESS
RAINEY
THOMAS
Wills - NONE
Original Local Case Number - 24		07/27/2001 8:01:18
Re: VA Chancery IndexBarb, sorry about that one. I'll make the comparison and get us a "net"
wanted list.

Thanks,

Maynard



07/28/2001 4:11:39
Re: Martha J. Poythress (Neal)Charles NealSally, going by memory only, I don't think I've entered that Robert
Poythress & Tabitha Poythress family in my database yet. Having to go by
memory though, because after sending out my messages on Friday night, my
computer had another major failure & my database is now being rebuilt,
again. I am borrowing another computer to look at my mail, but my database
is totally inaccessible right now & for the foreseeable future. & sorry I
can't help with the Randolphs. If you have not checked the List Archives,
you should.

Barbara Poythress Neal
= = =

From: Sallymell@aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 03:58:51 EDT
Subject: Re: Martha J. Poythress (Neal)
To: BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com

Barbara, what, if anything, can you tell me re: Robert Poythress, father of

Tabitha Poythress, born 1725, who married Henry Randolph IV.		07/29/2001 7:38:23
On line primer on Deeds and Land RecordsDiana DiamondPlus Software? Any thoughts from the techies among us? Al?

While surfing, I found a series of related web pages I thought might be of
interest. I don't have time to analyze them fully, but I am sure I will
learn some general and specific things when I do.

Diana

http://www.ultranet.com/~deeds/factsht.htm

http://www.ultranet.com/~deeds/landref.htm
Virginia Deeds
http://www.ultranet.com/~deeds/virg.htm

List of Deeds, some Walls mentioned
http://www.ultranet.com/~deeds/Gvco.txt

More Deed lists
http://www.ultranet.com/~deeds/pool.htm

Couldn't find the Poythress, but Google gave this
... 17 March 1736/3 VPB 17 p293-29 John Poythress 325a on S side Maherin
River on N ... 17
August 1733 VPB 15 p112-11 John Wall of Brunswic 260a on S side Maherin ...
www.ultranet.com/~deeds/Gvco.txt - 72k - Cached - Similar pages		07/30/2001 3:15:44
Virginia History on PBSDiana DiamondThere was an interesting show on PBS several weeks ago in it SECRETS OF THE
DEAD series, in which a Virginia doctor presented his reasons for thinking
the inhabitants of Jamestown died of arsenic poisoning. Here's the PBS
description.

The first colonists to leave Britain for America settled in Virginia, full
of hope for their new home and dreaming of riches. But after just six
months, 80 of the 100 were dead. The perceived wisdom is that they died of
malaria or another disease. But, recent exhumations reveal a surprising
discovery. The bodies contain high levels of arsenic. Were they poisoned?
And could the culprit have been a Catholic intent on stopping the
Protestants colonizing the New World?

Look for it in reruns or you can by it at PBS, see
http://www.shop.pbs.org/cust/cdeploy


Coming up in October is another subject for anyone interested in Early
American families. The times and dates are for Washington DC.

AFRICANS IN AMERICA
"The Terrible Transformation (1562-1750)"
Monday, October 19, 1998 (8-9:30 pm)
This four-part series takes a closer look at the
events that transpired in America between 1807 and
1861, and shows the role that the struggle over
slavery played in shaping the country. The first
episode examines the origins of one of the largest
forced human migrations in recorded history.


AFRICANS IN AMERICA
"Revolution (1750-1805)"
Tuesday, October 20, 1998 (8-9:30 pm)
In the second episode, the American colonies challenge
Britain for independence while American slavery is
challenged from within, as men and women fight to
define what America will become.


AFRICANS IN AMERICA
"Brotherly Love (1791-1831)"
Wednesday, October 21, 1998 (8-9:30 pm)
The third episode explores the first 50 years of the
new nation and the expansion of slavery into America's
western frontier.


AFRICANS IN AMERICA
"Judgment Day (1831-1861)"
Thursday, October 22, 1998 (8-9:30 pm)
The final episode looks at how, as the nation expanded
westward, slavery became the most divisive issue in
American life.

Diana		07/30/2001 12:51:56
Poythress Message ArcivesAlbert TimsPoythress List Members,

I want to remind everyone that an archive of ALL the messages posted to the Poythress list since 1997 can be searched and retrieved at the following web address. This archive even includes the very early messages posted before we were established as a Rootsweb mailing list.

Searches must be done on a year by year basis, but can ber as inclusive as you like. Entering 'Poythress' as a key word for the search will likely result in recovery of most every message posted that year.

This may prove helpful to new list members and those of us with failing memories :-).

http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=POYTHRESS

Best,
Al Tims		08/03/2001 5:36:03
From Mecklenburg ListBelow is for whatever it's worth. I told "White81429" that a Roger Atkinson
m. Agnes Poythress (1771-1821) but that Agnes' dates made it entirely
possible that
this was a late in life marriage for Atkinson or perhaps there was an
Atkinson, Jr.
"White81429" is a little difficult to talk to....sentences run together and
the prose gets cryptic.

Roger Atkinson strikes me a something of a land baron. He shows up in just
about all of "our" counties at one time or another.

Maynard

______________________________

X-Message: #1
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:48:34 EDT
From: White81429@aol.com
To: VAMECKLE-L@rootsweb.com
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Subject: Atkinson-Poythress
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Subj: Re: Atkinson-Poythress Date: 8/2/2001  From: VKRatliff To: White81429
White81429 writes:    <<  Subj: Atkinson-Poythress Date: 8/1/01  From:
White81429 To: VKRatliff    John, do you have Dinwiddie deeds/location for
Roger Atkinson.--- note Atkinson-Poythress in this deed,  -Mecklenburg Co VA,
Page 483. Mar 27, 1783 from Roger Atkinson of DinwiddieCounty, to John
Ogburn of Brunswick County, for 5000 poundsof new, inspected, crop tobacco,
about 90 acres in M adjoining the lands of David Dardin, Joel Traylor, James
Crook{Cook?}, it being the same land said Atkinson lately bought of William
Talley (and which Thos Prosize{Process} now lives on) by M deed.  Signed -
Roger Atkinson. Wit - Joseph Jones, Peter Poythress, Charles Cabaness, John
Atkinson.  Jul 5, 1785  I hereby reacknowledge the within deed.Signed   Roger
Atkinson. Wit - Charles Ogburn, Mark Russell, Benjamin Ogburn, Isaac Russell
(+ his mark) .
Recorded Jul 11, 1785  >>		08/04/2001 6:31:53
Florida Land Settlement 1842TODAY IN FLORIDA HISTORY
AUGUST 4
1842 The Armed Occupation Act was passed by Congress. Each
settler who would settle and cultivate five acres or more of land in
eastern and southern Florida for a period of five years would receive 160
acres of land and one year's rations from the Federal government. Settlers
were expected also to provide militia service, if needed, to control the
activities of the warring Seminole Indians. This was the prelude to the
official declaration of the end of the Second Seminole War on August 14, 1842.		08/05/2001 1:33:51
Mecklenburg Co, VA Circuit Court 1808-008 Chancery recordCharles Neal[The below was transcribed by Barbara Poythress Neal in August 2001, from
one of the records found in Mecklenburg County, Virginia Circuit Court
Records at the Library of Virginia, where this record has Index Number
1808-008. Square brackets enclose punctuation and comments that were added
by this transcriber. The first block of info below is the index info about
this record found online at the chancery court index on the Library of
Virginia website.]

Mecklenburg County, VA Circuit Court Records
Index Number 1808-008
Plat? No
LVA Reel Number: Not filmed
Local Reel Number: Not filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: JOSHUA SMITH ETC
Defendants D1: HUTCHINS FERRELL
Surnames:
COLLIER
FERRELL
FOX
HOLMES
LARK
POYTHRESS
SMITH
TAYLOR
WRIGHT
Wills: NONE
Original Local Case Number: NONE


SHEETS 1-2 are two sides of the same paper. SHEET 1 has the following
information, which serves as a label after the document is folded up:]
Smith Jo[?]
vs
Ferrell
to be filed in the papers.
This paper was filed the 13th day of May 1808[? Note that throughout this
record the year's last digit is difficult to read; at times it looks more
like 1806. 1808 is used since the more knowledgeable Library of Virginia
staff has indexed it as a record from 1808.]
[signed by] John Dortch

SHEET 2, back of SHEET 1:]
Whereas We Hutchins Ferrel [sic] of Mecklenburg Virginia and Joshua Smith
of Franklin County[,] North Carolina do agree that said Smith shall be
allowed untill [sic] next August Court to be holden in Mecklenburg County
Virga., to take the deposition of Merideth Poythress & return said
deposition to the aforesaid Court, but if said Smith shall not bring
forward to the aforesaid Court the aforesaid deposition, then the said
cause of Smith & Ferrell shall be heard & a final decree granted by the
aforesaid Court. And whereas it is further agree'd that if said Smith
shall at the aforesaid Court bring forward the aforesaid deposition, the
aforesaid Ferrell shall be allowed untill [sic] November Court to take the
depositions of William Collier and John Wright [Note: blank space here] to
invalidate the testimony of said Poythress, but after next November Court
no further indulgence shall be granted to either party.
[signed by] H. Ferrell, L.S. [ornate circling around L.S.]
[and] Joshua Smith, L.S. [L.S. is circled]
Signed in presence of
J.G. Baptist
N. [or possibly W.] Baptist

[SHEETS 3-4 are both sides of one piece of paper. SHEET 3:]
Sir[,] Please take Notice that we on Monday the 9th of June next will
proceed to the Deppossition [sic] of Mr. Meradith Poytross of Georgia[,]
County of Scriven at the House of the sd Poytress, to be read as evidence
in a suit of Chancery which we have defending in the County Court of
Mecklenburg Virginia wherein Joshua Smith & others plaintiffs & Hutchin
Ferrell Defendant at which time & place you May attend if you please
[signed by] Joshua Smith
[and] Capt. H. Ferrell

[SHEET 4, back of SHEET 3:]
I acknowledge the within Notice
Test
J.P. N. Meredith
[signed by] H. Ferrell
13th May 1808[?]

[SHEET 5 is quite confusing. From this photocopy it appears that a total of
three pieces of paper were on the photocopier at once, with all three being
of different sizes, and two of them being much smaller pieces than the one
behind them. The smallest piece of paper is the most clear, but it
obstructs view of the second small piece behind it, and both of those
obstruct view of part of the larger piece behind them.]
[SHEET 5's smallest piece of paper:]
Mr. Joshua Smith
Take notice that on Tuesday the 25th Inst. at the store house of
Delowe[?] & Abernathy in Mecklenburg county I shall proceed to take the
deposition of William Collier to be read as evidence in a suit instituted
in chancery in the said county wherein yourself and others are plaintiffs
and myself defendant at which time & place you may attend if you please.
Yours respectfully
H. Ferrell
12th Nov 1808[?]
Mr. Joshua Smith

[SHEET 5's next larger piece of paper may be another fold of the above
piece. This is the most-obstructed piece on this photocopied sheet; in view
are only some words from the top line and some words at the left edge, with
the remainder being covered by the smaller piece, above. What is available
of this one reads as follows, with dashes indicating covered material:]
[on the top line:] The Cou--- --- --- --- --- Parham Lewis Parham, Seal
Mark al---
ye that
circum---
witnesses ---
[something crossed out which may have read "Plts"]
comm---
at se---
your d---
your se---
two or ---
migh---
of Me---
witho---
return---
Baske---
Novem---
C---

[SHEET 5's largest piece of paper, which is partly obstructed by the two
smaller pieces above, is viewable enough to determine that it is duplicated
below as SHEET 8; therefore see below for full transcription of it.]

[SHEET 6 is apparently the left side of a larger piece of paper, so that
when folded this portion served as the label for the piece. Some of the
paper is torn off and missing. What remains reads as follows:]
ad
Smith &al
William Colliers depos retd Sealed the 25 day of Novr 1808[?]
[and written perpendicular to the above, the paper is addressed to:]
The Clerk Mecklenburg Court
[and separate from that writing, written at the fold, to serve as a label
when looking at one side of the folded-up piece:]
Smith &al
v
Ferrell
papers
1808 August
dismissed on argumt
with Costs
[and across from the above, to serve as a label when looking at the
other side of the folded-up piece:]
Smith &al
v
Ferrell
No. 8

[SHEET 7, which is the right side of the same large piece of paper as SHEET
6, above. The upper portion is torn, but readable as follows. Note that I
have added question marks to the questions listed:]
[Depo]sition of William [Collier] taken at the store [---] & Abernathy in
the County of Mecklenburg on Tuesday [---] November 1808[?] in a suit
chancery in the said Count[y] filed by Joshua Smith and others against
Hutchens [Ferre]ll. The said William Collier being of lawful age and first
sworn deposeth & saith that before this suit was brought he happened at the
house of Hutchens Ferrell and saw Meredith Poythress there; and after a
while Poythress observed that he understood Joshua Smith was about to sue
Ferrell for some negroes, and that Smith had been to his house a few days
past and wanted him to be a witness for him in the sd suit. Poythress
observed that his reply to Smith was that he knew but little about it, but
that he should be a better witness for Ferrell than him.
Question by the deft. Did not [lined out: "Mrs. Lark app-"] Mr. Poythress
say, that the negroes now in dispute (or at least two, George & Nell, of
them) were at another plantation at the time he was at Frederick Colliers,
and Mrs. Lark came there?
Answer. Yes he did.
Quest. Did not Poythress tell you that the negroes run away that night
and went to Larks?
Answer. Yes - and further I believe myself that they did for I staid
[sic] there all night.
Question. Did not Poythress tell you that Collier went off the next
Morning (to Larks as he supposed) and shortly returned with the negroes?
Answer. Yes he did.


[SHEET 8, which from the distinctive torn edges is the back side of SHEET
7, above. Parts of the top line are torn away and missing. Again note that
I have added question marks to the questions.]
[---] by the pr[---] business at the house of Fred---k Collier [---] she
was there with the waggon?
Answer. She came there in the Morning [I] supposed to carry her daughter
home [---] to prevent her from killing herself by drinking.
Question. Did she demand anything but her daughter, or was there anything
put in the waggon?
Answer. Nothing but a chest that I recollect.
Quest. Was you well acquainted with Mr. Robert Lark, and was he a man of
punctuallity [sic]?
Answer. I was intimately acquainted with him, and frequently worked for
him & he allways paid me as soon as the work was done --, and as far as I
know or believe that was his general character.
[Lined out: "Quest. Did you underst"]
[signed by:] Wm Collier
The deposition of Samuel Holmes of lawful age and [duly?] sworn taken by
consent who deposeth as followeth [---] Robert Lark was a man of honesty &
punctuallity, who as far as this deponent knows or believes generally
complied with such promises as he made.
Question by the deft. Did you ever hear that Robert Lark advanced money
to assist Frederick Collier in purchasing Pennington's Land?
[Note: this is the bottom of that piece of paper; none of the other sheets
copied in this record appear to be the continuation of this deposition of
Samuel Holmes.]

[SHEETS 9-10-11 are all from one large piece of paper. SHEET 9 is one side
of it, which after folding was used as the outside; it bears the remainder
of what appears to be a wax seal; one can see that the sealed paper had
been addressed to:]
William Baskerville, CCC of Mecklenburg, Virginia
[Written perpendicular to the above address is the following, used as a
label:]
Smith &al
v
Ferrell
Meredith Poythresses depos--- sealed
8 Aug 1806
No. 9
[Other folds in view bear the signatures of those who took the deposition
in Georgia:]
Joseph Reynolds JJC
David Emanuel, J.P.

[SHEET 10:]
State of Georgia
Scriven County
By virtue of a Commission from the County Court of Mecklenburgh[sic] State
of Virginia[,] to us Directed we have caused to come before us, Meridith
Poythress[,] the person in the said Commission Named[,] who being duly
sworn, Deposeth and Sayeth that Some time in the fall of the year 1792 he
was at the House of Mr. Frederick Collier, where he had not been long
before he Saw that there was Something that Disturbed Mrs. Ann Collier at
which he felt uneasy, and the 1st Convenient opportunity Asked Mr.
Frederick Collier the cause of his Wife's uneasiness. Said Colliers Answer
was that the Devill had got into them all and that Mr. Robert Lark was
going to send for his [Collier's] Wife Ann Collier, and every thing that
came here with her[,] at which he says he says [sic] he felt uneasy and
talked of going Home. Said Colliers reply was that they were all going to
leave him and Said Deponant should stay all night with him and not for him
the said Deponant to mind it, for all would be at Home in a Day or two
again - in some short time after, he heard a Waggon Driving in the yard of
the said Colliers, the Said Deponant says. That this Waggon was [the wagon
of] Mr. Robert Larks and the wife of said Larks - Mary Larks - was with the
Waggon and her Negro Man Dave, all which he was Acquainted with. This
Dep[onan]t further sayeth that the said Mary Lark came into the House of
the sd F. Colliers and after Talking awhile with the sd Ann Colliers[,] her
Daughter[,] in a low tone of Voice immediately turns to the Sd Colliers and
Says ["]Robert has sent Me for Ann and every thing that came here with
her.["] Said Colliers reply was that ["]there it was, take it all and
Carry it along["] this Deponant further sayeth that he stayed all Night
with the sd Collier and in the Morning Mrs. Ann Collier was gon [sic] with
some of Household Furniture and Certain Negroes, George and Nell, and the
Said Collier said that he would go and Drive them all Home again. he
Started off and the Next time the Sd Poythress says he saw Sd Colliers
[SHEET 11:] Colliers [sic] he told him that he had got all back again &
More too & further the Deponant sayeth not.
Subscribed and sworn to, Before us this 9th Day of June 1806
Jos. Reynolds JJC, Seal
D Emanuel JP, Seal
[signed:] Meredeth poythress		08/06/2001 2:49:00
Mecklenburg Co, VA Circuit Court 1820-012 Chancery recordCharles Neal[The below was transcribed by Barbara Poythress Neal in August 2001, from
one of the records found in Mecklenburg County, Virginia Circuit Court
Records at the Library of Virginia, where this record has Index Number
1820-012. Square brackets enclose punctuation and comments that were added
by this transcriber. The first block of info below is the index info about
this record found online at the chancery court index on the Library of
Virginia website. When Craig Scott furnished the photocopy of this record
to me, he noted "This Lewis Poythress is likely the widower of Elizabeth
Giles, deceased, daughter of Edward Giles." For additional clarification:
we know that Elizabeth Giles was the first wife of Lewis Poythress; they
married in Dec 1792, in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. After Elizabeth died,
Lewis second married Rebecca B. Taylor, in April 1802. We now have further
confirmation of an earlier conclusion that we had made in our Poythress
research. Sheets 2 and 3 (below) state that Lewis Poythress is the heir of
the John Poythress who was one of the two grandsons named by Edward Giles,
Sr. in his Will (recorded 16 March 1818). My recollection is that we had
earlier found/concluded in our Poythress research that the John Poythress
who was named as a grandson in Edward Giles, Sr's will was the Jack
Poythress whose will, recorded 17 Aug 1818, devised to his own father what
his Grandfather Giles had willed him. The copy of Jack's will that we had
earlier examined was very difficult to read. A better copy of it is on
Sheet 5 below. We had earlier presumed that Jack's will read that his
father was Lewis Poythress. These documents verify that. The spelling of
"Poythress" varied widely, as shown below, throughout this record, which is
an excellent reminder that we should always be checking for Potress,
Portress, and Poytress, as well as Poythress.]

Mecklenburg County, VA Circuit Court Records
Index Number 1820-012
Plat? No
LVA Reel Number: Not filmed
Local Reel Number: Not filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: LEWIS POYTHRESS
Defendants D1: EDWARD GILES ADMR ETC
Surnames:
BASSEY
GILES
NANCE
POTRESS
POYTHRESS
Wills: NONE
Original Local Case Number: NONE

[SHEET 1 of the photocopied record shows two items that are referred to
here by transcriber as "A" and "B." Note that item "A" shows labeling on
the outside of a folded sheet that was apparently used to wrap the other
items of this suit's package of papers. The back side of "A" and "B" are
shown on Sheet 2, below.]

[SHEET 1, item A:]
Poythress
vs }mens fa [sic]
Giles }sent

[SHEET 1 - item B:]
28 of July 1820 Executed on a Martha Giles
and on 31st of July 1820 Executed on Edward Giles --- [note: this long
heavy dash appears to have been used by the deputy or the clerk to cover
over an "&" which had initially been placed there; the long heavily-inked
dash is followed by the following 5 names and comment.] Milly Nance[,]
Edward Poytress[,] & Jane B Basey [sic] and Wm Giles & John Giles no[t]
Inhabitants of this county. [Note: from the spacing and the use of "&" and
"and" here, it is not completely clear to transcriber whether the deputy or
the clerk meant that only the final name, or possibly the last two names,
were not inhabitants of the county, or whether all of the last five named
were not inhabitants]
[signed by] Jones Daly
[Daly's title] Dpy of Lewis Parham Sheriff
[The following labeling is written perpendicular to the above info, so that
when this item was folded up, the following label would show at top:]
[in upper right corner, a squiggle that could be "21" or could be "Le" or
"Sl"]
Poythress's Adm
v } Sub: Chy
Edwd Giles' Admr &c
20 Aug't 1820

[SHEET 2 of photocopy set, showing the other side of both items A & B.
SHEET 2, item A:]
The Commonwealth of Virginia to the Sheriff of Mecklenburg County[:]
Greeting you are hereby commanded to Summon Edward Giles adm'rs of Edward
Giles dec'd & Milly Nance, Edwd Poythress, Martha Giles, Jane B. Bassey,
John Giles, Wm Giles legatees of said Edward Giles dec'd __ [a long blank
line extends to the paper's edge]
to appear before the Justice of our County Court of Mecklenburg at the
Courthouse of this said County on the first day of August __ [a long blank
in mid-line; no year given] Court next[,] to answer a Bill in Chancery
exhibited against them by Lewis Poythress adm of John Poythress dec'd[,]
and this they should in no wise omit under the Penalty of £100:0.0. ___ [a
long blank line extends to the paper's edge]
and have then there this writ witness Edward L. Tabb Clerk of our said
Court the 27th day of June 1820 in the [note: blank spot] year of the
Commonwealth.
[signed by] Edwd L. Tabb

[SHEET 2, item B:]
Lewis Poythress admr of John Poythress agt Edward Giles adm'r of Edward
Giles decd. Examine wife of Edw Giles Sr and of John Poythress and bring a
writ in chancery for a Legacy left by Edw Giles Sr to John Poythress and
which was willed by J.P. to Lewis Poythress. [Note: these initials, JP,
apparently refer to the aforementioned John Poythress]

[SHEETS 3-4 are front & back of one sheet, labeled at the bottom of the
document as "Copy Edwd Giles Will." SHEET 3:]
In the name of Almighty God..Amen. I Edward Giles of Mecklenburg County
and state of Virginia doth make this my last Will & Testament. It is my
Will & desire that all my just debts and funeral expences [sic] be first
paid from the sale of my Estate's crop of Tobacco[,] Bacon and corn
remaining in hand and after these debts are paid, It is my Will and desire
that all my remaining property both real & personal be sold on twelve
months credit and from the moneys arising from such sale or sales to be
distributed as follows Item first. I give and bequeath to my
Grand-daughter Milly Nance two hundred dollars to her & her heirs. Item
second. I give and bequeath to my Grandson Edward Poythress twenty five
dollars to him & to his heirs. Item 3rd. I give & bequeath to my Grandson
John Poythress one hundred dollars to him & to his heirs. Item 4th. I give
& bequeath to my Grand-daughter Martha Giles daughter of my daughter Betsy
P Giles two hundred dollars to her & to her heirs. Item 5th and last, after
all my just debts funeral expences [sic] and the above Legacies are first
paid it is my Will & desire that the remainder of my Estate be equally
divided amongst my four living children Jean P. Bassey, John Giles, Edward
Giles & William Giles to each of them & their heirs. Given under my hand
this 10th day of March 1818. I appoint Edward Giles Jr & Jno Bassey Exers.
to this my last will & Testament.
Signed & sealed in presence of
Bushrod Webb}
John Cook Sr} Edward + Giles, his mark, L.S. ["L.S." is circled]
Henry + Wartman, his mark}

[SHEET 4, back of SHEET 3 above, containing further info about the Edward
Giles, Sr. will:]
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 16th day of March 1818 -
The within written last Will & Testament of Edward Giles decd was exhibited
in Court & proved by the oath of three witnesses thereto subscribed and
ordered to be recorded --- And on motion of Edward Giles Jr one of the
Exers therein named who made oath and gave bond and security according to
law --- certificate is granted him for obtaining probate of the said Will
in due form --- Reserving liberty to the other Exer to join in the probate
where he shall think fit
Teste Edwd L. Tabb
A Copy Teste, Wm B. Easlryn[?]
[Note: below a fold in the paper, just below that signature is the
following label, which would show at the top of the folded document:]
Copy
Edwd Giles' Will
70 [Note: "70" is circled]
ex'd


[SHEETS 5-6 are front & back of one document, a court copy of the Will of
Jack Potress. SHEET 5:]
In the name of God Amen. I Jack Potress of Mecklenburg County being in
sound mind and memory do make and ordain this my last Will [&] Testament
hearby [sic]. I desire what my Grandfather Giles left to me[,] I wish it
to be paid to my farther [sic] his heirs Liwis [sic; not capitalized here]
Potress[.]
Edward Giles}
James L. Nance} Jack + Potress, his mark, L.S.
Milly Nance}
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County the 19th [or the number may be
"17th"] day of August 1818
This Will was proved by the oath of James L. Nance - one of the
Witnesses thereto & was ordered to be recorded - at another Court held for
said County the 18th day of January 1819[.]
The same was further proved by the oath of Edward Giles another witness
thereto - and on motion of Lewis Portress who made oath and gave bond and
security according to Law --- Certificate was granted him for obtaining
letters of administration of the Estate of the said Jack Portress with his
Will aforesaid annexed in due form[.]
Teste, Edwd L. Tabb CC [or CoS?]
A Copy Teste, W.B.Easlyrn[?], D.C.


[SHEET 6, back of SHEET 5 above, bears the following info toward the center
of the sheet, so that the following info would appear as a label on the
outside of the folded-up document:]
Copy Jack Poytress
Will
70 [Note: "70" is circled]
[Then, below that, in a different fold-panel, and beginning at the center
of the sheet below the fold line in such a way that the following info
would also show on the outside of the folded-up document:]
Poythress
vs
Giles &al
Papers for suit in Chy. Subp. to Augt Court. Enquire [sic] of Lewis
Poythress, which of Edw Giles['] Giles legatees are married, & who are
their husbands, also as to the infants & order subpena in Chy.
Milly Nance of age & single
Edw. Poythress of age
[next the name "John" was lined out]
Martha P Giles infant by John Nance Gurdn.
Jean B. Bassey wife of Jesse Bassey
John Giles North Carolina
Edw Giles
William Giles Tennessee


[SHEETS 7-8 are the left and right sides of a large sheet of paper, folded
down the center. SHEET 7:]
To the worshipful Court of Mecklenburg County in Chancery sitting humbly
complaining sheweth to your worships your orationer Lewis Poythress, that
some time past a certain Edward Giles departed this life having first
published his will which is of record in the County Court office of
Mecklenbg, and is here refered to, where in he bequeathed to John Poythress
a legacy of one hundred dollars. That some time after the death of Edward
Giles the said John Poythress died having first published his will where in
he bequeathed the said legacy to your orator, -- which is also of record
and is here refered to as a part of this bill. ---
That a certain Edward Giles Jr qualified as Exor on the Estate of Edward
Giles the testator. That frequent applications have been made to the Exor
aforesaid both by the said John Poythress during his life time and by your
orator since his death for a payment of the Legacy aforesaid which he has
always refused. That the other persons entitled as legatees of the said
Edward Giles decd are Milly Nance, Edw Poythress, Martha Giles an infant,
Jean B. Bassey wife of Jesse Bassey, John Giles, Edward Giles and Wm Giles.
Your orator who has also qualified as admr on the Estate of the sd John
Poythress, prays that the sd Edward Giles Exor as aforesaid and the said
Milly Nance, Edward Poythress, Martha Giles by a Guardian to be appointed
her, Jesse Bassey and Jean B. Bassey his wife, John Giles, the said Edward
Giles in his own right and William Giles may be made defts hereto. That
the said Edward Giles Exor as aforesaid may be compelled to render an
account of his actings and dealings as Exer, and to set forth what Estate
there is in his hands belonging to the testator first mentioned. And
finally that your worships will decree that he shall pay to your orator the
said Legacy of one hundred dollars with its interest. To which end may
please your worships to award a writ of subpena &c.


[SHEET 8, which is the left side of the same large sheet of paper as SHEET
7, and which when folded would have the following info appearing as a label
and summation on the outside surfaces:]
Poythress
vs } Bill & Exhibits
Giles &c.
1820 Augt Bill
filed
No farther step taken[?] notice
__
" Sept Cout [sic] at rules[?]
__
" Octr plesd[?]
__
[Below the above notations are the following two columns of figures & one
lower notation]
18
8
8
18
18
18
26
26 [line drawn under this figure, for these 8 numbers to be totaled]
d 140

60
105 [line drawn under this figure, for these 2 numbers to be totaled]
cr 1.65

Atto[?] fare[?] 6.00

[To the right of all of the above info, is the following one short column:]
d--- 1.14
l--- 81
Atto[?] Fare[?] 6.00 [this bottom figure is underlined]		08/06/2001 11:15:38
Mecklenburg Co, VA Circuit Court 1858-015 Chancery recordCharles Neal[The below was transcribed by Barbara Poythress Neal, in August 2001, from
photocopies provided by Craig R. Scott of one of the records found in
Mecklenburg County, Virginia Circuit Court Records at the Library of
Virginia, where this record has Index Number 1858-015. Square brackets
enclose punctuation and comments that were added by this transcriber. The
first block of info below is the index info about this record found online
at the chancery court index on the Library of Virginia website. Though that
numbering indicates that the Library of Virginia indexed it as a document
from 1858, the year shown on these documents appears to me to be "1856"
with the final digit of the year being written quite differently from the
second digit of the year. My review of these photocopied documents
indicates to me that there could have been additional documents for this
case at some time, whether or not any other documents currently exist.
Perhaps other documents for the case could indicate some court action in
1858.]

Mecklenburg County, VA Circuit Court Records
Index Number 1858-015 CC
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number: Not filmed
Local Reel Number: Not filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: JONES ETC
Defendants D1: ADMR OF HARWELL ETC
Surnames:
BRACEY
CHILDRESS
GRIFFIN
HARWELL
JONES
KING
PENNINGTON
POYTHRESS
PURYEAR
SMITH
WALL
Wills: NONE
Original Local Case Number: NONE

[SHEETS 1-4 are one large piece of paper. Please note that the handwriting
of this document is extremely angular, small, and difficult to read.
Further, in places the ink bled through from the other side of the paper,
making the writing even more difficult to read. Thus anyone having a strong
interest in this document is strongly encouraged to examine the original at
Library of Virginia. When folded, SHEET 1 serves as the label for this
document:]
Jones &c
v
Harwell's admor &c
Bill & Exht
1856 July Rules [or possibly Ruler] Bill & exhibit filed. Spa n. ret'd
executed on Puryear, Pennington[,] Childress & wife, Poythress & wife,
Griffin[,] King, T Thomas, Bracey, D Thomas, N Thomas, E Thomas & B Thomas.

Others no Inhab. ord: publication[.]
RB Baptist appn. Gdn. ad litem fro David S Thomas to defend his interest.
David S Thomas An Infant.

[SHEET 2:]
To his honor John W Nash[,] Judge of the circuit court for the county of
Mecklenburg. Your complainants William Jones & John P Smith respectfully
represent unto your honor that at the last term of this court a decree was
rendered against your complainants and Reuben A Puryear[,] Sheff [i.e:
Sheriff] and administrator of James M Harwell in favor of William A Jones
and Rebecca his wife for the sum of $75.10/100 with interest thereon from
the 1st day of July 1849 and in favor of William M Tanner & Mary his wife
for the like sum of $75.10/100 with interest thereon from the 1st July 1849
- and the costs of Suit which amounted to $39.02 all of which will more
fully appear from a copy of the decree which is herewith filed and prayed
to be taken as a part of this bill. These decrees were on record against
the administrator of the said Harwell for money due from the said Harwell
in the distributions of the estate of H F Tanner, on which the said Harwell
qualified as Administrator, and against your complainants as his Securities
in the administration bond, as those decrees executions issued, and the
administration of the said Harwell having no assets of his intestate in his
hand to be administered & your complainants not wishing to have their
property Levied upon, paid then which will appear from copies of the
executions and returns thereon which are herewith filed & prayed to be
taken as a part of this bill and by which your complainants became entitled
to all the rights of the Plffs in said suit against the estate of the said
Harwell. He removed some years since from this commonwealth and died having
no estate or assets which had come to the hands of his administrator. But
your complainants charge that the said James M Harwell had an interest in
remainder in the land and Slaves held by Nancy Thomas[,] widow of Bennett
Thomas deceased as tenant for life. The said Bennett Thomas departed this
life in 1843, leaving a will[,] a copy of which is herewith filed and
prayed to be taken as a part of this bill.

[SHEET 3:]
By his will the testator gave all his estate consisting of [blank] acres of
land lying in the county of Mecklenburg and Several Slaves to his wife
during her life or widowhood and after her death to be divided among all
his children. The estate of the testator having been properly administered
and all his debts paid[,] the land and Slaves were Surrendered to the said
Nancy as tenant for life and are now held by her. The Testator at the time
of his death left the following children: Charles O Thomas, Richard Thomas,
Kadizah Thomas who intermarried with Benjamin Childress, Emaline Thomas who
intermarried with George W King, Tabitha Thomas who intermarried with John
Wall, Lucy Thomas who intermarried with Thos M Poythress, Rebecca Thomas
now Rebecca Griffin a widow, Amanda Thomas now Amanda King a widow, David S
Thomas, Ew'd Thomas, Bennett Thomas, & Taylor Thomas, who are remainder
heirs and entitled to the said land and slaves after the death of the
tenant for life, and your complainants charge that Taylor Thomas one of the
remainder heirs sold and conveyed all his interest in this said land and
slaves to James M Harwell and Paschal Bracey which will appear from a copy
of the deed executed by the said Taylor Thomas & herewith filed and prayed
to be taken as a part of this bill & from this deed it appears that the
consideration for the said deed was $125 of which $75 was paid by the said
James M Harwell. Your complainants are also informed that Charles O Thomas
has sold and conveyed his interest in the said land and slaves to William F
Pennington. Now the said Reuben A Puryear[,] Sheff and administrator as
aforesaid suposes[?] to Sell the interest of the said Harwell in the land
and slaves aforesaid to pay the money due to your complainants as aforesaid
and the said interest not being liable to an execution against the goods &
chattels of his intestate and your complainants being relievable only in a
court of equity they [freely?] trust the said Reuben A Puryear[,] Sheff and
administrator a[or possibly "&"] aforesaid Nancy Thomas[,] Charles O
Thomas, Wm T Pennington[,] Richard Thomas[,] Benj Childress and Kadiza his
wife[,] George W King & Emaline his wife[,] John Wall and Tabitha his
wife[,] Thomas M Poythress and Lucy his wife[,] Rebecca Griffin[,] Amanda F
King[,] Taylor Thomas, Paschel Bracey[,] David S Thomas[,] Ew'd Thomas &
Bennett Thomas may be made parties defendants in this suit and be required
to answer all the allegations herein contained, and that Nancy Thomas be
required to file with [illegible: possibly "land and slaves"] a schedule
seting [sic] forth the number, names, ages & sex of the slaves held by her
as tenant for life and that the interest of the said James Harwell in the
said land and slaves may be Sold by an order of this court and the money
paid by your complainants on the judgments and executions aforesaid may be
paid to them from the proceeds. The said James M Harwell died a non
resident of commonwealth many years since and it is believed that he owes
no other debts and if there be other creditors, your complainants are
advised that they have priority over them, as these debts paid by your
complainants were due from the intestate as the administrator of the said H
F Tanner, and that you have or may grant to your complainants all such
other and further[?] ask[?] of in the promises as in Justice and equity
they may be entitled to and they will ever pray for.

[SHEETS 5-6 are back and front of one document, with Sheet 5 serving as the
label when the document is folded. The handwriting of this document is much
clearer than that of the above document on Sheets 1-4. SHEET 5:]
List of Legatees to trust fund held by Nancy Thomas

[SHEET 6:]
A list of legatees in the trust fund held by Nancy Thomas, widow of Bennett
Thomas dec'd[:]
Chas. O. Thomas
Richd. Thomas
Kadizoh Thomas now wife of Benj Childress
Emeline Thomas now wife of Geo W King
Tabitha Thomas now wife of John Wall
Lucy [note "Lucy" was written heavily to cover "Rebecca" which had first
been written] Thomas now wife of Thos M Poytress
Rebecca J[or possibly "I"] Thomas now Rebecca Griffin, a widow
Amanda Thomas now Amanda King a widow
David Thomas
Edwd Thomas
Bennett Thomas
Taylor Thomas whose interest was purchased & is now owned by the Estate of
James M. Harwell decd and Paschal Bracy - consisting in Real & Personal
property to wit -
Amt of Real, according to affidavit of W T Pennington & D S Thomas
$1,800.
Amt of Personal, according to affidavit of D.S. Thomas & T R. Moss $8,375
[underlined]
[total of two figures shown as:] $10,175.00
1 Share being 1/12 is $804.58 1/4 &
1/2 of which is 432.29 1/8 & being
the interest owned by the Estate of Jas M. Harwell

[SHEETS 7-8 are back and front of one document, with the bottom portion of
Sheet 8 serving as the label when the document is folded. The handwriting
of this document is clearer than that of the above document on Sheets 1-4.
SHEET 7:]
Mecklenburg Circuit Court[,] September Term 1856
Wm Jones and Jno P Smith Plff, In Chancery
against
R.A. Puryear shff & admor of Jas M Harwell decd[,] Nancy Thomas[,] Chas O
Thomas[,] Wm T Pennington[,] Richd Thomas[,] Benj Childress & Kadizo his
wife[,] Geo W King & Emaline his wife[,] John Wall & Tabitha his wife[,]
Thomas M Poythress and Lucy J his wife[,] Rebecca Griffin[,] Amanda F
King[,] Taylor Thomas[,] Paschal Bracy[,] David S Thomas[,] Edward
Thomas[,] & Bennett Thomas[,] Defts

It appearing to the Court that the plaintiffs have proceeded agreeably to
the [note: ink bled through from the other side of the paper makes one word
hard to read here, perhaps "amoile"? or perhaps "amode"?] proscribed by the
act of assembly against the absent defendants and more than one month
having elapsed since the order of Publication was completed[,] the Court on
motion of the plaintiffs by Counsel doth take the bill for confessed as to
the absent defendants Chas O Thomas[,] Richd Thomas[,] and John Wall and
Tabitha his wife[,] and it appearing to the Court that the process awarded
against the [note, a crossed out word appears here, perhaps with "home"
written over it] defendants have been duly executed and they still failing
to appear & answer the Court on motion of the plff by Counsel doth take the
bill for confessed as to them except as to David S Thomas, whereupon this
cause came on this day to be heard upon the bill answer of David S Thomas
by RB Baptist his Guardian ad litem exhibits examination of witnesses & was
argued by counsel on consideration whereof the Court doth adjudge[,] order
& decree that one of the Commissioners of this Court take an account of the
admon [i.e: "administration"] of Reuben A Puryear shff & as such[,] admor
of Jas M Harwell[,] that the said Comr also take an account of the real &
personal estate belonging to the said Jas M Harwell & in what it consist
& [note: apparently this "&" just indicates that the document is continued
on the back]

[SHEET 8:]
and the value thereof & report the same to the court[,] & the court doth
further adjudge[,] order & decree that the said Comr also take an account
of all the debts owing by the estate of the said Jas M Harwell with their
assignation & prioraties [sic] if any after having first posted notice of
the time & place for taking the same at the front door of the court house
of this county on the first day of Two successive Terms of the County Court
and report the same to this Court together with any special matter deemed
pertinent by himself or Required to be so stated by the parties
A Copy
Teste
R.B.Baptist C
Cir Co
Jones &c
v
Harwells adm &c
A Copy [note: a circle is drawn around "A Copy" here]		08/07/2001 5:52:09
Still need Mecklenburg Co, VA 1867-027 CC Circuit Ct Chancery recCharles NealWe still need photocopies of this document for transcribing; it can be
found in Mecklenburg County, Virginia Circuit Court Records at the Library
of Virginia, indexed as number 1867-027, and their index notations are at
the bottom of this message. On his trip to Library of VA this Spring,
Craig Scott (who graciously copied some of them for us, for transcribing
here to the List) did not have time to copy all the Mecklenburg County
Circuit records that refer to POYTHRESS.

Expanding on my Feb 20, 2001 email to this List about these Mecklenburg
County, VA Circuit Court documents, I note regarding this particular
record which we still need: having just transcribed and posted Index
Number 1858-015 CC [re Plaintiff Jones Etc vs Defendant Admr of Harwell
Etc, which refers extensively to Nancy Thomas and her children, including
one married to George W King, and another who was a widow of a King] it
seems possible to me from the King name listed in this one which we still
need (Index Number 1867-027) that this record could tie in with Index
Number 1858-015 CC.

The Library of Virginia index lists this record which we still need
photocopied as:
Mecklenburg County, VA Circuit Court Records
Index Number 1867-027 CC
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number: Not filmed
Local Reel Number: Not filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: EVERETT KING
Defendants D1: MANSFIELD R SEYMOUR ETC
Surnames:
BOYD
KING
POYTHRESS
SEYMOUR
Wills: NONE
Original Local Case Number: NONE		08/07/2001 5:52:10
Still need Mecklenburg Co, VA 1889-007 CC Circuit Ct Chancery recCharles NealWe still need photocopies of this document for transcribing; it can be
found in Mecklenburg County, Virginia Circuit Court Records at the Library
of Virginia, indexed as number 1889-007, and their index notations are at
the bottom of this message. On his trip to Library of VA this Spring,
Craig Scott (who graciously copied some of them for us, for transcribing
here to the List) did not have time to copy all the Mecklenburg County
Circuit records that refer to POYTHRESS.

Expanding on my Feb 20, 2001 email to this List about these Mecklenburg
County, VA Circuit Court documents, I note regarding this particular
record which we still need: having just transcribed and posted Index
Number 1858-015 CC [re Plaintiff Jones Etc vs Defendant Admr of Harwell
Etc, which refers extensively to Nancy Thomas and her children] it seems
likely to me from the Thomas name listed in this one which we still need
(Index Number 1889-007) that this record could tie in with Index Number
1858-015 CC.

The Thomas name here appears to be further be related to the Thomas name in
another Mecklenburg County, VA Circuit Court document, part of which I'm
transcribing & posting today, listed as Index Number 1880-030 CC [having
Plaintiffs William L. Portress/Poythress and Defendants Executor of Nancy
Thomas, which record lists numerous surnames: Atkins, Boyd, Burton, Gregg,
Lee, Love, Portress, Poythress, Riggan, Thomas, Thrower]

In addition, as noted in my Feb 20, 2001 email, other information found in
my review of other Mecklenburg County material indicates a possible further
tie-in of interest to us, as follows:
- In the Deed Indexes, I note that in 1797 there was a Mecklenburg Deed
between Grantor John Cleaton & Grantee Lewis Poythress (DB 10, p.62) and a
1799 Dower Release between Grantor Martha Cleaton & Grantee Lewis Poythress
(DB 10, p.96).

When Craig Scott earlier this year sent photocopies of several of these
Circuit Court documents to me for transcribing, his pencilled notes
indicated regarding this one (1889-007 CC) noted from his brief examination
of it that day: "No information on earlier tie-in. A.J.Poythress as a
neighbor is stating that he and others rented her land. Mention of brother
of A.J. is not named. Has to do with 35 acres."

The Library of Virginia index lists this record which we still need
photocopied as:
Mecklenburg County, VA Circuit Court Records
Index Number 1889-007 CC
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number: Not filmed
Local Reel Number: Not filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: R P CLEATON
Defendants D1: HARRIET THOMAS ETC
Surnames:
CLEATON
POYTHRESS
RAINEY
THOMAS
Wills: NONE
Original Local Case Number: 24		08/07/2001 5:52:10
Mecklenburg Co, VA Circuit Court 1880-030 partial Chancery recordCharles Neal[The below was transcribed by Barbara Poythress Neal, in August 2001, from
two photocopies provided by Craig R. Scott of one of the records found in
Mecklenburg County, Virginia Circuit Court Records at the Library of
Virginia, where this record has Index Number 1880-030. On his trip to
Library of VA this Spring, Craig (who graciously copied some of the records
for us, for transcribing here to the List) did not have time to copy all
the Mecklenburg County Circuit records that refer to POYTHRESS; he was not
able to copy all of this particular record, but did copy parts of two of
the documents, transcribed below. Square brackets enclose punctuation and
comments that were added by this transcriber. The first block of info
below is the index info about this record found online at the chancery
court index on the Library of Virginia website.]

Mecklenburg County, VA Circuit Court Records
Index Number 1880-030 CC
Plat? NO
LVA Reel Number: Not filmed
Local Reel Number: Not filmed
Image Number -
Plaintiffs P1: WILLIAM L PORTRESS (WILLIAM L POYTHRESS)
Defendants D1: EXR OF NANCY THOMAS
Surnames:
ATKINS
BOYD
BURTON
GREGG
LEE
LOVE
PORTRESS
POYTHRESS
RIGGAN
THOMAS
Wills: NONE
Original Local Case Number: NONE

[SHEET 1 is only the first side of a document, and it breaks off in
mid-sentence:]
To the Hon. A.D. Dickinson[,] Judge of the Circuit Court of the County of
Mecklenburg.
Humbly complaining sheweth unto your Honor, your Complainant William L.
Portress, who is sometimes called William L. Poythress, that Nancy M.
Thomas, the grandmother of your Complainant departed this life in this
County in the month of December of the year 1864, having first made and
published her last Will and Testament in writing, which was duly proved and
admitted to Record by the County Court of Mecklenburg, by an order of said
Court at the December term thereof which came on the 19th day of December
of the year 1864, by which she the said Testatrix, bequeathed by her said
will to your Complainant by his name of William L. Poythress, the entire
residue of her personal property, after having previously provided by her
said Will for the delivery and payment thereout of certain small portions
of personal property to and among certain named legatees,
[end of the photocopy of this side of this document]

[SHEET 2 is only the first side of a different document, and it also breaks
off in mid-sentence:]
The Deposition of William L. Poythress taken before me this November 3rd
1879 to be read as evidence in behalf of himself, Plff, in a certain matter
of account referred to me for settlement by a decree of the Circuit Court
of Mecklenburg at its June Term 1879 in the chancery cause of Poythress vs
Riggan, Exor &c
Present A.S. Lee atty for Plff
" [ditto indicating that also present was:] R.T. Thorp atty for Deft -
W.L. Poythress, being duly sworn, testifies & says --

1st Question by Plff's atty
What was the relationship of the testatrix, Mrs. Nancy M. Thomas, you
you, who it appears died in this county in December 1864?

Ans [underlined]
She was my Grandmother.

2nd Question by same
Where were you at the time of her death and in what kind of service were
you at that time engaged?

Ans [underlined]
I was in the Confederate Army at Petersburg in Company "D" 44th Va
Battalion -

3rd Question by same
State any conversation you may...
[end of the photocopy of this side of this document]		08/07/2001 5:52:11
finding a plot of land in Surry/SussexNeed some instructions/advise:
In 1727, an ancestor rec'd a grant of land in Surry Co, VA, probably in
present
Sussex Co. A few years later, he or his son rec'd additional acres. The
description is somewhat vague, but waterways are mentioned by name.

I've been told that in southside VA, a parcel of land can stay in the family
to the present generation without transfer of title, sale, or showing up in a
will. If this is an accurate statement, then it is quite possible that
descendants are living on that parcel today.

How can I prove/disprove this? How would it have been taxed? I
thanks,
jbv
.		08/08/2001 5:22:21
finding a plot of land in Surry/SussexCharles NealYou should check the USGenWeb sites for those counties. There are people
in many Southside Virginia counties who have plotted out the location of a
number of different pieces of property, and I think on those websites you
would see references to that process.

The Land Tax records (filed at the Library of Virginia) exist for many
years, and for many counties. Those records list each property owner each
year, no matter how that owner acquired the land.

Good luck.
BPN



08/09/2001 12:43:55
Re: Mecklenburg Co, VA Circuit Court 1808-008 Chancery recordBarbara, thanks for transcribing and sharing this interesting artifact.
And Craig, thanks for retrieving this from the library.

This is another evidence that Meredith Poythress of Georgia was also
Meredith Poythress of Mecklenburg, that Meredith was in Mecklenburg at
least as late as 1792, and that Meredith was in Georgia at least by 1808.

Maynard, we look forward to seeing this folded into your Meredith P.
timeline.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Re: Mecklenburg Co, VA Circuit Court 1820-012 Chancery recordBarbara, thanks for transcribing and sharing. Craig, thanks for
capturing from LVA.

It's great to see the hard confirmation that John is son of Lewis. I'd
like to propose this also strengthens the claim that Edward Poythress is
a son of Lewis. Otherwise, there must be a sister of Elizabeth Giles
who, like Elizabeth, also marries a Poythress, and parents Edward. I
think we have all the Giles daughters accounted for and only Elizabeth
marries a Poythress.

Wouldn't it be interesting if this Milly Nance is the same Mahala Nance
that marries Edward Poythress (1828), first cousins marrying? Edward's
Mahala is listed as age 47 in the 1850 census. I've checked back through
the archive and could find nothing direct about Milly Nance's parents.
However, I did run across a 1795 Mecklenburg marriage of Thomas Nance to
Elizabeth Giles. This is only three years after the Mecklenburg marriage
of Lewis Poythress to Elizabeth Giles. Being Giles family ignorant, I'll
offer a wild speculation: Could this be a recording error and Thomas
Nance actually married _____ Giles, sister of Elizabeth, with Thomas and
_____ becoming parents of Milly?

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Re: Mecklenburg Co, VA Circuit Court 1858-015 Chancery recordBarbara, thanks for yet another transcription and, Craig, yet another
capture. These chancery court proceedings are great fun, like hitting a
new vein of gold after exausting other veins.

For those interested, this Thomas M. Poythress is the son of Lewis
Poythress and Rebecca B. Taylor of Mecklenburg County, Virginia.

Best regards,
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08/10/2001 9:33:07
Re: Mecklenburg Co, VA Circuit Court 1880-030 partial Chancery recordBarbara and Craig, great work. Thanks so much for sharing.

This is another confirmation of William L. Poythress as the son of Thomas
M. Poythress and Lucy Thomas of Mecklenburg County, Virginia. It also
confirms his military record. This agrees, by the way, with WLP's 1909
pension application, which is available in the LVA digital collection.
William is the father of Foxall Poythress and others, and the ancestor of
many, many descendants that still bear the Poythress name.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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Re: Still need Mecklenburg Co, VA 1889-007 CC Circuit Ct Chancery recCharles NealMaynard, thanks for posting the copy of Carol's comments to the List (copy
below). In the interest of having the clarifying comments available in the
List-Archives along with the record being discussed, I'm captioning this
message to be in a thread with the one from last week.

And actually one further small correction to your earlier (below) message:
the comments on 2/20/01 that are quoted below were mine (not Lyn's) in
which I had been commenting on Lyn's posting that day of the various
Mecklenburg Co items indexed as having Poythress in them. These were the
comments that I expanded upon in my 8/7/01 message captioned as above.

Cheers,
Barbara [BPN]
= = = =
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:18:16 EDT
Subject: Lewis Poythress
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Note that Carol has set me straight.....nice to have a lawyer and a first
rate genealogist "on retainer" (free that is) for one's list

Re [Maynard's message earlier today, "Subject: Chancery Meck. 1889-007" in
which he said:]
> Lyn....couple of observations re your comments....(quoted by BPN
2/20/01)...:
"In the Deed indexes, I see that in 1797 there was a Mecklenburg Deed
between
grantor John Cleaton and Grantee Lewis Poythress (DB 10, p. 62) and a 1799
Dower Release between Grantor Martha Cleaton and Grantee Lewis Poythress
(DB
10, p. 96.  And I note that, more likely the Thomas name heree may be
related
to the Thomas in # 5 and # 6 above, and may furnish further info from the
same earlier tie-ins."

[Maynard had said:]
Dower release Grantor Martha Cleaton to Grantee Lewis Poythress (DB 10, p.
96) would seem to raise some questions.  If this is Lewis Poythress (1)
doesn't he have to be married in the first place to need a dower release
from
Martha Cleaton. The "Martha" in there could be 4th child of William C.
Cleaton & Jane Poole.  Wouldn't this then infer that Lewis (1) had THREE
wives with Martha Cleaton in there in addition to Patsey Giles and Rebecca
Taylor...which seems pretty illogical to me. And if its Lewis' son "Lewis
Y."
getting the dower release, did he even have a chance to marry Martha
Cleaton?
 Big time gap here.
= = = =
Carol Morrison sez:
Maynard,
Release of dower rights has nothing to do with whether or not the grantee
(i.e., Lewis Poythress) is married or not.  As the purchaser or grantee of
the property, Lewis Poythress would want a release of dower from the wife
of
the grantor (i.e., John Cleaton) as he/Lewis certainly doesn't want to have
to deal with Martha's 1/3 life time right in the property being conveyed if
she should happen to survive John Cleaton.

So, the *Martha Cleaton* would be the wife of John Cleaton who conveyed the
property to Lewis Poythress.  She would not be the 4th child of William C.
Cleaton and Jane Poole.

Carol 
= = =
Thanks, Carol.
Maynard		08/13/2001 1:32:02
Chancery Meck. 1889-007Lyn....couple of observations re your comments....(quoted by BPN 2/20/01)

You say:

"In the Deed indexes, I see that in 1797 there was a Mecklenburg Deed between
grantor John Cleaton and Grantee Lewis Poythress (DB 10, p. 62) and a 1799
Dower Release between Grantor Martha Cleaton and Grantee Lewis Poythress (DB
10, p. 96. And I note that, more likely the Thomas name heree may be related
to the Thomas in # 5 and # 6 above, and may furnish further info from the
same earlier tie-ins."

Lyn, I sort of walked my way into the jungle here:

1) taking the simplist (maybe simplistic) approach, I'd be inclined to not
make anything out of John Cleaton to Lewis Poythress (DB 10, p. 62, 1797).
I'd assume this John Cleaton to be 2nd child of our "orginal" William C.
Cleaton/Jane Poole and therefore in same generation as Lewis (of "the
brothers"). The Date 1799 would fit here. Therefore, this would be a
transaction of no genealogical significance unless we see the deed and can
make something more out of it. Would you lean that way?

2) Dower release Grantor Martha Cleaton to Grantee Lewis Poythress (DB 10, p.
96) would seem to raise some questions. If this is Lewis Poythress (1)
doesn't he have to be married in the first place to need a dower release from
Martha Cleaton. The "Martha" is there could be 4th child of William C.
Cleaton & Jane Poole. Wouldn't this then infer that Lewis (1) had THREE
wives with Martha Cleaton in there in addition to Patsey Giles and Rebecca
Taylor...which seems pretty illogical to me. And if its Lewis' son "Lewis
Y." getting the dower release, did he even have a chance to marry Martha
Cleaton? Big time gap here.


Just some thoughts. It's beginning to look to me like the Cleatons,
Poythresses,
Thomases and Taylors all lived in the same house . These guys are as
tangled up as the Screven County people.

Maynard		08/13/2001 6:19:01
Lewis PoythressNote that Carol has set me straight.....nice to have a lawyer and a first
rate genealogist "on retainer" (free that is) for one's list


>>>
Lyn....couple of observations re your comments....(quoted by BPN 2/20/01)

You say:

"In the Deed indexes, I see that in 1797 there was a Mecklenburg Deed between
grantor John Cleaton and Grantee Lewis Poythress (DB 10, p. 62) and a 1799
Dower Release between Grantor Martha Cleaton and Grantee Lewis Poythress (DB
10, p. 96.  And I note that, more likely the Thomas name heree may be related
to the Thomas in # 5 and # 6 above, and may furnish further info from the
same earlier tie-ins."

I said:

Dower release Grantor Martha Cleaton to Grantee Lewis Poythress (DB 10, p.
96) would seem to raise some questions.  If this is Lewis Poythress (1)
doesn't he have to be married in the first place to need a dower release from
Martha Cleaton. The "Martha" in there could be 4th child of William C.
Cleaton & Jane Poole.  Wouldn't this then infer that Lewis (1) had THREE
wives with Martha Cleaton in there in addition to Patsey Giles and Rebecca
Taylor...which seems pretty illogical to me. And if its Lewis' son "Lewis Y."
getting the dower release, did he even have a chance to marry Martha Cleaton?
 Big time gap here.

Carol Morrison sez:

Maynard,

Release of dower rights has nothing to do with whether or not the grantee
(i.e., Lewis Poythress) is married or not.  As the purchaser or grantee of
the property, Lewis Poythress would want a release of dower from the wife of
the grantor (i.e., John Cleaton) as he/Lewis certainly doesn't want to have
to deal with Martha's 1/3 life time right in the property being conveyed if
she should happen to survive John Cleaton.

So, the *Martha Cleaton* would be the wife of John Cleaton who conveyed the
property to Lewis Poythress.  She would not be the 4th child of William C.
Cleaton and Jane Poole.

Carol 


Thanks, Carol.

Maynard




Release of dower rights has nothing to do with whether or not the grantee
(i.e., Lewis Poythress) is married or not.  As the purchaser or grantee of
the property, Lewis Poythress would want a release of dower from the wife of
the grantor (i.e., John Cleaton) as he/Lewis certainly doesn't want to have
to deal with Martha's 1/3 life time right in the property being conveyed if
she should happen to survive John Cleaton.

So, the *Martha Cleaton* would be the wife of John Cleaton who conveyed the
property to Lewis Poythress.  She would not be the 4th child of William C.
Cleaton and Jane Poole.

Carol		08/13/2001 11:18:16
Re: Poythress FamillyIn a message dated 8/14/01 4:03:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jclane40@hotmail.com writes:

> Subj: Poythress Familly
> Date: 8/14/01 4:03:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From: jclane40@hotmail.com (Curtis Lane)
> To: VKRatliff@aol.com
>
> Dear Maynard"
> Was it Dinwiddie County Virginia from where the Poythress moved to Burke
> County Georgia? If incorrect can you advise the County and approx.year,if
> known. Do you have any genealogy contacts in the County from which the
> Poythress left. Seems I remember you saying a brother of George stayed in
> Virginia. My reason for asking- perhaps the wife of Thomas Poythress may
> have been Martha Muir,just a long shot.
> Thanks for a reply.
> J.Curtis Lane
>
> Curtis:
>
> Actually it was Brunswick County where Thomas was "last seen" but by then
> his sons seemed to be all over the place. George likely still in Brunswick
> with him.
> Meredith Sr. and the brother who remained behind (Lewis) were in
> Mecklenburg.


The year? That one is hard to pin down as they came at different times and
there is
considerable evidence that some of them went back and forth between
Burke/Screven and Virginia. I'd only be able to guess at a "window" and I'd
be inclined to place it between 1782 and 1792.


> I am copying the entire 85+ Poythress listserver to see if anyone has a Muir
> in their tree that relates to Thomas or just about any of those Virginia
> people.


The only name(s) I have seen for Thomas' wife are Martha and
Patsey which is a nickname for Martha (or at least it was in those
days).....and the Muir doesn't ring any bells with me.

Perhaps someone has a clue for you here.

Best,

Maynard		08/14/2001 11:22:00
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08/15/2001 2:11:07
Poythress and Lee Poythress and NewbyFlora NewbyHusband: Richard LEE The Squire
Father: Henry LEE
Mother: Mary BLAND
Wife: Sally POYTHRESS
Children...
1. M Child: Richard LEE
Spouse:Young
2. F Child: Mary LEE
Spouse: Thomas JONES
3. F Child: Lettice LEE
Spouse: John Augustine SMITH
4. F Child: Richardia LEE
Spouse: Presley COX



Hello Flora....noticed your question on Lee mail.....I did some study of the
Rolfe ....years ago ...and it seems to me that Sally Poythress Lee ....would
have been the grandaughter of Francis Poythress born 1639
John Rolfe's wife was the daughter of Frances Poythress
Sally Poythress/ William /John /Francis/Frances..
Dont quote me .......Just a theory .....Libby ( I am from the John Esq
line )

and my theory:

POWHATAN
- 1--POCAHONTAS born about. 1595; died 1617.
- sp-John ROLFE born about 1585; died 1622.
- - 2--Thomas ROLFE born 1615.
- - sp-Jane POYTHRESS.
- - - 3--Jane ROLFE; died 1676.
- - - sp-Robert (Colonel) BOLLING.
- - - - 4--John (Colonel) BOLLING born 1676; died 1729.
- - - - sp-Mary KENNON.
- - - - - 5--John BOLLING.
- - - - - 5--Jane BOLLING.
- - - - - 5--Mary BOLLING.
- - - - - 5--Elizabeth BOLLING.
- - - - - 5--Martha BOLLING.
- - - - - 5--Anne BOLLING.


She had 1 descendant Flora
Now I understand that a person has uncovered a line from Poythress to
Newby and or Rolfe would someone share that line with me and any other
information Flora		08/15/2001 7:04:12
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08/16/2001 2:30:52
Will of John Poythres - 1724Diana DiamondSee

ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/princegeorge/wills/pythrs1.txt

This is John Poythress, (P-1) DC, in other words son of Francis Jr. He and
his cousin, John, both have wives named Mary. The surname of this Mary is
unknown. The other John is married to Mary Batte.

Diana		08/16/2001 4:39:04
Some Poythreps, anyone? Tax listsDiana DiamondBarbara, here's another reminder that Poythress is spelled more than one
way. Diana
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/1790index/1790pipy-index.h
tm
Name County Tax List Page
Poythrep, Joshua Prince George 1790 Land 12
Poythrep, Mary Prince George 1790 Land 12
Poythrep, Mary Prince George 1790 Land 12
Poythrep, Peter Prince George 1790 Land 12
Poythrep, William Prince George 1790 Land 12
Poythres, Elizabeth Prince George 1790 Personal 11
Poythres, William Prince George 1790 Personal 11
Poythress, Joshua (estate) Prince George 1790 Personal 11
Poythress, Mary Prince George 1790 Personal 11
Poythress, William Prince George 1790 Personal 11		08/17/2001 5:42:40
Inflation calculatorDiana DiamondEver wonder what an ancestor's net worth would be in today's dollars. I
figured somebody must have worked out a formula, and they have.

With all wonderful work by Barbara and Maynard on wills and legal cases
involving monetary figures, I thought this might be helpful.

The site below only converts money's worth back to 1800, but as an example,
$15,000 in 1800 dollars becomes
$208,333 in 2001 dollars.

This calculation was done at

http://www.cjr.org/resources/inflater.asp

Diana		08/17/2001 7:59:48
re Some Poythreps, anyone? Tax listsCharles NealGood finds, Diana. Yes, & that is why I always try to search on various
spellings. If a site allows it, I will just check on all names that begin
with "Poyt" and "Port" and then wade thru & discard the Porters.

Thanks for the reminder to all of us.
Barbara (BPN)



08/18/2001 6:46:57
Re: re Some Poythreps, anyone? Tax listsBarbara,
You discard the Porters, I am hurt!! (LOL) Some of us Poythress changed to
Porters you know?

BGP (Bruce)



08/19/2001 3:59:18
Poythress Genealogy Web SiteAlbert TimsPoythress List,

I've relocated the Poythress website to Rootsweb. I'm not yet ready to post new material since I hope soon to have a new template with improved navigation.

Please remove the old url from your bookmarks and add the following url:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

Best,
Al Tims




08/19/2001 7:12:19
Re: re Some Poythreps, anyone? Tax listsCharles NealAh, Bruce, I had completely forgotten about your line's switch from
Poythress to Porter -- Certainly easier to spell, but man, there sure are
tons of them. I'll stick to the more unique spellings, and leave the
Porters for you

Barbara



08/19/2001 8:43:14
Re: Some Poythreps, anyone? Tax listsIn a message dated 8/17/01 11:46:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
DiamondDPC@erols.com writes:


> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/1790index/1790pipy-index.h
> tm
>
> While the admonition to look for variant spellings is not a whit less
> urgent and valid, I suspect that in this instance at least the Mr. or Ms.
> Binns who compiled the list on the web was/is one of those souls who do not
> recognize the "symbol" for "ss" and recorded it incorrectly from the
> orginal source (whatever it may have been).
>
> I first took this identical information from a printed page in the Clayton
> Library in Houston. That transcriber apparently had no problem with the
> names. Then I transcribed corrolary information myself from source
> microfilm in the LVA. In both cases Poythress was clear as a bell, the
> only question being a single William with one "s" which is fairly common.
>
> Both are listed below. I suppose a second admonition might be in order: be
> cautious with genealogists sporting masses of what is possible (maybe even
> likely) to be indiscriminatly collected information. Obviously, this is
> not universally true but it sometimes seems that accuracy is sacrificed for
> "volume."

From the Clayton:

> Prince George County, 1790 Personal Property Tax List (printed page in
> Clayton
>

Poythress, Elizabeth
> Poythres, William (sic)
> Poythress, Joshua, Est.
> Poythress, Mary
> Poythress, William
>
> Notes:
>
> 1) this list incomplete insofar as rate and amount of tax not included.
> (Purely as a guess, personal property will not be itemized when original is
> located in LVA either).
>
> 2) land taxes for 1790 for comparison with above (LVA reel # 255)
> Name Acres
> Peter Poythress 100-1000-400-225-100-290
> Mary Poythress 100
> Joshua Poythress 404-200
> William Poythres 184-120-850
> Mary Poythress 293
>
> Binns shows Personal Taxes on "page 11" and Property Taxes on "page 12".
He or she is perhaps correct. In the LVA Personal Taxes is microfilmed on
one reel and Property Taxes on another. In comparing the two LVA reels there
are numerous omissions of Personal Property tax that would imply that some
people paying Property Tax either had no Personal Property (doubtful) or it
was not taxable for some reason. The disparity between the two LVA reels
would almost imply that the two kinds of taxes were collected on separate
"administrative tracks, a matter which Binns' "layout" would disprove. It is
also possible that errors arose as a function of trying to make one "ledger"
into two microfilm reels as the two were "separated" for the LVA reels.

Contradicting the above, it does seem strange that Binns transcribed all the
personal taxes with correct spellings and land taxes with incorrect spellings
(transcriptions). Just maybe the thing WAS in two books and Binns was
transcribing one and a collaborator the other. My guess is that these
distinctions are irrelevant anyway. A contemporaneous error vs. an ancient
error is an error all the same.

Notes to self:

Remainder of project (which likely can only be done at LVA):

1. finish the land property records in reel # 255 for the years following
1798.
(already have years 1782 - beginning of the tax - thru 1798)

2. record ALL of the years beginning 1792 for personal property taxes.


Summation:

But, for this instance in any case, Mr. or Mrs. Binns simply seem to be
victims of either haste or unfamiliarity with the penmanship conventions of
the era. The identical information is very clear in two other sources, one
primary and one secondary.





>
>
>


>
>
>
> We HAVE recorded (see: Virgina Land Tax Records, Prince George County) the
> land taxes from 1782 thru 1798 (microfilm reel 255 in LVA, 1782-1811)
>
> REMAINDER OF PROJECT (which likely can only be done at LVA)
>
> a) finish the land property records in reel 255 for years following 1798
>
> b) record all of the years beginning 1782 for personal property tax records
>		08/20/2001 1:44:27
RE: Some Poythreps, anyone? Tax listsDiana DiamondThanks, Maynard. There is no substitute for looking at the primary source.

The old admonition about the computer--garbage in, garbage out--seems never
more true as I look through the pages on the internet.

I still think you put it best when you said I should look at internet
information in most cases as "hints."

But I have found some mighty good hints, so I guess I am hooked. I try to
remain skeptical.

Diana




08/20/2001 2:16:46
Re: Some Poythreps, anyone? Tax listsDiana, hey, just keep on swinging for the fences.....you have dug substantive
stuff out of corners when most of us didn't know those particular corners
even existed. So one gets hit in the dirt once in a while. Big deal.

Maynard






08/20/2001 3:44:20
Screven County P. ReunionHeld Sunday Aug. 19 and all the usual suspects were present except Bud. We
missed you Bud.

McBride Methodist Church is putting in stained glass windows and one of the
cousins has been on a drive to get one in memory of Horace Cullen Poythress
and wife Flossie O. Wells, the parents of the eight siblings, now all
deceased. Now our generation is reverently (sort of) referred to as "the
cousins" and we are about nineteen or twenty. Cousin in question worked us
over pretty good and shook the required $1500 buckeroos out of the group of
us. It will be installed sometime this winter.

No deaths to report and that is a blessing as we are all getting a tad long
in the tooth. We went to the out-in-the-boonies wonderful seafood restaurant
Sat. nite and later were greeted with a storm which dumped a blessed 2 inches
of rain on Screven County for which we tried to take full credit. However, no
one would cash the check.

Spent Friday in Atlanta archives while Jean went to High Museum for the
Michaelangelo drawings exhibit. I shoulda gone to the museum. Will file
separate report when I can get my head and my notes together.

Maynard		08/20/2001 4:13:19
Fw: [BS-L] Okay guys lets discuss Poythress/NewbyFlora NewbyHope someone can help us out with this problem Flora
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [BS-L] Okay guys lets discuss Poythress/Newby


Ok as Flora Knows ( Glad to see you posting Flora) I am looking to
reestablish lines of the Newby family which were lost in a computer crash.

These lines went back to the Poythress family, descendant of John Rolfe (
born: 5/6/1585 in Heacham, Norfolk, England ), and Amonte Matoaka
(born:9/17/1595 at
Gloucester, VA. ) , daughter of the Powhattan Chief, Wahnsonecowk.
(Won-son-ah-kuk) Amonte was "invited" to England and was entertained by the
Royal Court, where she was known as "Lady Rebecca".

She and John Rolfe had one child, and Amonte died at Gravesend, before she
could return to Virginia.

The son of Amonte and John Rolfe was Thomas Rolfe. (born: 1/30/1613 or
6/30/1615 ( not sure which is right) at Smith's Plantation, VA.)
married to Jane Poythress (born: 1620/1634 at Jamestown,
James City, VA.)

John Rolfe was also an only child, so ALL descendants of Amonte Matoaka come
through him, and his wife Jane Poythress.

My Newby's were descended from this couple (I just don't know HOW now.)

The earliest Newby I have been able to trace is Lance Newby, father of my
wife's grandmother, Ruth Newby, (who was born in Longmont Colorado in 1900).

There is another BULLOCK connection to the Poythress family which I am
exploring.
(My wife is a Bullock). She may descend from Amonte Matoaka on two lines.

(Amonte is called "Pocahontas" which is slang for "Promiscuous or Precocious
in comtempory histories).


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Re: Poythress/NewbyDiana DiamondFlora,

Check out http://www.co.henrico.va.us/manager/pokeypix.htm

which says Pocahontas was known by her people as Amonte. You have too many
generations for most agreed upon genealogies.

To simplify your search, I think it's save to say all of Pocahontas's
descendants flow through John Bolling January 17, 1675/76 and his wife Mary
Kennon, who married December 19, 1697.

Jane Poythress died one after one child, Thomas Rolfe.
This child, Jane Rolfe, died young after one child, John Bolling, as noted
above, husband of Mary Kennon

Just to complicate matters there is a later couple also named John Bolling
and Mary Kennon who married in Abt. 1789.

Also check out

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1001/poca.html

I am doing my own study of Poythress descendants based on the work of R.
Bolling Batte. It's still in rough form, but it is somewhat complete for
six generations nevertheless. I can't find a Newby among them. Sorry.

Mr. Batte does have one Newby, Jesse, who lived in 18th Century at
http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html. If you're interested it is under
Newsbett, Card 12-13.



Diana		08/20/2001 8:36:18
RE: BombsLou PooleJust in case everyone's not gotten the word, Maynard tripped across the
latest worm (virus) that's going around. This is supposed to be one
that sends emails on your behalf using the addresses in your address
book. The key give-away is the message: "Hi. How are you? _____"
I've seen variations in the third phrase, but it's always something
about needing "your advice."

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com [mailto:VKRatliff@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:13 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Bombs


I have received three e-mails from innocous addresses with tantalizing
(somewhat) topics (example: "Saint Patrick's Day').. An executable file
was
attached.

The message text on all three read identically:

Hi. How are you?

I send you this file to have your advice.

See you later. Thanks.


The first one looked a tad fishy so I skipped it as I went through an
accumulation of three day's worth of e-mails received while I was In
Georgia.
Fortunately, I came to numbers 2 and 3 and, looking this dangerous


==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. If you'd like to
learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/		08/20/2001 11:25:40
BombsI have received three e-mails from innocous addresses with tantalizing
(somewhat) topics (example: "Saint Patrick's Day').. An executable file was
attached.

The message text on all three read identically:

Hi. How are you?

I send you this file to have your advice.

See you later. Thanks.


The first one looked a tad fishy so I skipped it as I went through an
accumulation of three day's worth of e-mails received while I was In Georgia.
Fortunately, I came to numbers 2 and 3 and, looking this dangerous		08/20/2001 12:12:44
Bombs (finish message)Looking this dangerous I didn't even bother to run them through virus scanner.

Maynard



08/20/2001 12:17:22
Jefferson Maunscripts & Document Images OnlineAlbert TimsPoythess List,

Please excuse the intrusion if you've already visited the the Thomas Jefferson Papers from the Manuscript Division at the Library of Congress web site. The collection includes approximately 27,000 documents!

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/mtjhtml/mtjhome.html

Document types in the collection as a whole include correspondence, commonplace books, financial account books, and manuscript volumes. The collection is organized into nine series or groupings, ranging in date from 1606 to 1827. Correspondence, memoranda, notes, and drafts of documents make up two-thirds of the Papers and document Jefferson's activities as a delegate to the second Continental Congress, his drafting of the Declaration of Independence, etc. Here you will find archival quality image files of the original documents.

I was particularly delighted with the The Jamestown Records of the Virginia Company of London: A Conservator's Perspective by Sylvia R. Albro and Holly H. Krueger.

Best,
Al Tims		08/21/2001 4:39:10
New Internet Search FacilitiesYou are receiving this message from http://www.ancestry.com at the request
of vkratliff@aol.com.

The sender's comments sent with this message are:
Even if the beginning looks simplistic, hang with it until he gets to the
new stuff which is very interesting.

New Internet Search Facilities
New Internet directories, compilations, search engines, and metasearch
engines can extend your research.

The full article can be found at:
http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/columns/george/4424.asp		08/21/2001 7:19:57
MEAPDO again ?A recent (for us anyway) entrant into the chase is Dr. Curtis Lane of
Statesboro, GA. I have copied the list a couple of times with correspondence
to and from Dr. Lane.

With Dr. Lane's line of inquiry we are perhaps back to the elusive lady
MEAPDO (Mary Elizabeth Ann Poythress Dixon Odum). Dr. Lane's specific
interest is accounting for her in his Odom line but more specifically in his
case: where did she come from? Dr. Lane's interest and ours coincide in the
matter of "Orphans of Thomas Poythress", a winning entry in the 1807 Georgia
Land Lottery. If MEAPDO is proven to be a child of Thomas Poythress some
needed "identities" could fall into place for us.

Prefacing, I have thoroughly checked and eliminated two Elizabeth Poythresses
who were roughly contemporary and in the general area. Neither has even a
remote chance of being the Elizabeth in question nor of being an "orphan of"
Thomas Poythress.

When we had Martha Dixon on line a year or so back it was Martha's
speculation that MEAPDO was a late-in-life chld of Thomas Poythress and wife
Patsey (Martha) ____, Thomas being the father of George Poythress. MEAPDO
would have been young enough in 1806 to qualify her along with her presumed
two adult brothers George and Edward as "Orphans of Thomas Poythress" to
register for the 1807 Georgia Land Lottery. These registrant(s) do indeed win
202 1/2 acres in Wilkenson County but the trail offered by that identifiable
piece of land just goes cold (later).

According to Dr. Lane, the lady and Mr. Odom (her 2nd and last husband) are
buried in Bethany Methodist Cemetery, Girard, GA. On first reading "her
tombstone says b. 26 Jan 1798 and d. 5 Oct 1861." That's possible. Presumed
father Burke Sheriff Thomas Poythress dies in 1799. And MEAPDO would indeed
have been an "orphan" under 21.

Dr. Lane now introduces a birth date for "Elizabeth Odom", citing the
tombstone as:

SACRED
to the memory of
Elizabeth Odom
wife of
Laban Odum
born
January 26, 1778
died
October 5, 1861

Dr. Lane continues:

"Comment: - Regarding grave marker of Elizabeth - as to the year of birth the
second (third?) digit of the year is easily traced in the depression as a
figure 8 and then it is also easily traced as a figure 7 and the last is
easily traced as an 8. It is obvious the carver made a mistake regarding the
year of birth, to what extent is speculation".

He continues: "Census of 1850 lists age of Elizabeth as 63 which would put
her date of birth 1787. George C. Dixon, her grandson who lived with her in
1850 said in a letter to my mother, Mrs. Julian C. Lane, his grand-daughter,
that Elizabeth lived to age of 75. 1860 Census, taken August 9th, lists her
age as 74.

(MP: this would also indicate a 1788 birth since she was born January 26 and
her 1860 census was taken in August). Stone carvers cutting the wrong date
is usually a matter to be heavily discounted and more likely is a
deterioration of the cutting. At any rate the Burke county censuses are
virtually definitive in support of "b. 1788" Elizabeth is cited by name for
1850 and 1860. She fits perfectly into her age brackett in husband Laban
Odom's household for the census years of 1820, 1830 and 1840. That string of
coordinated evidence convinces me.

Dr. Lane continues: "A few feet East from Grave of Elizabeth is a broken
grave marker for R. J. Dixon, a son of John Dixon and Elizabeth Poythress.

R. J. Dixon
born July 13, 1805

(broken)
died 1865
(marker)

Another correspondent reveals to Dr. Lane a showing of "Elizabeth M.
Poythress" in an Odom bible as "Muir." Dr. Lane asked me if that meant
anything to us and Diana found several references to Muir in Poythress lines
in Virginia. The lines were in the mid-1700's but it should also be noted
that Muir is a fairly common Scottish surname. I am reluctant to hang yet
another name on this lady or even further disturb her person without some
documentation or a significant clue.

Prior to any discussion of the 1807 lottery in question, there are some
implications for us in the 1805 lottery. The 1805 lottery was unique in that
it was the only lottery in which the names of all entrants were published.
In the subsequent lotteries into the final one in the 1830's only the winners
names were published and the entry lists (with a couple of rare exceptions)
destoyed.

The 1805 lottery (registration in 1803-4) list of entrants is thus a fairly
decent proxy census for adults in Georgia in 1804. Total lottery 1805
entrants from Burke County were:

Poythress, Edward # 47 (a likely brother of George and son of Thomas)
Poythress, George # 65 (almost surely a son of Thomas)
Poythress, Martha # 50 ( wife of Thomas, mother of the other two)

None of the above were "fortunate drawers" but the names give us a decent
foundation. Thomas had died (1799) and wife Martha (Patsy) will likely die
prior to the drawing for the 1807 lottery. Edward and George qualify as
"citizen of U. S., resident of Georgia for one year and free white male over
21." MEAPDO does NOT qualify: "member of a family of orphans (under age 21)
; i. e. with BOTH parents deceased or whose father was deceased AND the
mother remarried." MEAPDO does NOT qualify in 1803-4 because both parents
are not deceased nor has the mother remarried.. Note that this is spelled
out exactly for 1805 but the language gets looser by the time of the 1807
lottery (described below).

However much of a political boondoggle the 1807 registration might have been,
Elizabeth (b. 1788) would STILL be technically a minor of 18 or 19, and she
is, by lottery registration time in 1806, a married woman (to R. O. Dixon)
with a son born the previous year.

All the same, with minimum fudging, MEAPDO could have been eligible for the
1807 lottery: "Eligible for one draw: citizen of U. S., resident of Georgia
for one year immediately prior to June 26, 1806, free white male 21 or older,
free white female 21 or older, widows, family of orphans under 21 whose
father is deceased, family of orphans under 21 whose parents are deceased.
Eligible for two draws: meets one draw qualifications above, free white male
over 21 with a wife and/or legitimate child
or children one of whom is under 21, family of two or more orphans whose
parents are deceased. Persons excluded: a fortunate drawer in the previous
1805 lottery."

By a strict interpretation of the above, MEAPDO would probably not be
eligible in 1806 EITHER unless she was the "ticket" to allow adults Edward
and George to be a "family of orphans under 21 whose father is deceased."

This is a stretch. However, three external factors must be considered.
First, the entry requirements became successively easier as the state was
literally trying to find inhabitants for the land and a wink sufficed to
register in many cases. Second, remember that MEAPDO's older brother George
was a land-hungry immediate ex-Sheriff of Burke County, relatively wealthy,
and likely not without some influence. Third, the entire lottery series
justly earned a later reputation as something of a political boondoggle. A
very high percentage of winners simply (and quickly) sold their land to land
speculators for minimal values and demonstrated almost no consideration of a
move to the "won" land.

Question: why didn't George and Edward also register on their own in 1807 as
free, white and over 21? Well, they very likely did. After all, it was
potentially free money. But it can be assumed they weren't fortunate
drawers. Remember, only the names of "fortunate drawers" were published for
the lotteries following 1805.

In any event, the Elizabeth in question is of interest to Dr. Lane as well as
to listmembers Carole Drexel and Marti Coppes and others.

While leaving the reader to his or her own conclusions with respect to this
lady's position as an "orphan of" I did spend the entire day of August 17 in
the Georgia Archives searching in every corner I could think of to determine
the names of "the orphans" by finding a later sale of the land by them.
Although I thought I knew the process well, I even enlisted the considerable
help of the German lady named Inga who is the GDAH resident authority on the
Land Lotteries.

If individuals listed in the lottery results cannot be located or otherwise
identified, the prescribed search for winners simply "follows the land."
Often the winners simply didn't, for one reason or another, even bother to
"take up" the land (pay the $40 title fee). That is the worst possible
scenario. The land reverts to state auction and a number of previously
identified land speculators buy up multiple lots. In the deed process the
state is now the "grantor." There is no longer any linkage between the
winners and the ultimate owners.

However, if the winner "takes up" the land that same winner often appears
later in county deeds as a grantor in a deed book or a legator in a will
book, either in "his" county or the new county. The problem is that counties
were then being so rapidly formed from other counties that even searching in
multiple counties is often non-productive. In this instance, another reason
might be that both Burke (their home county) and Wilkinson (the county of
their won land) are virtually burned out of everything prior to the late
1800's.

In this instance, the following search was performed with no success in
locating one or more "Orphans of Thomas Poythress":

1) Wilkenson County; ironically enough by the date the orphans "took up" the
land (8 May 1809), had itself had pieces of land split off to form Laurens
(formed 1807) and Pulaski Counties. Much, much later Bleckley County was
created in 1912.

2. all of the above counties were searched with special emphasis on Pulaski
because that is the "continuing" identified county ultimately containing the
"won" land, grant # 78, lot # 44 in (Wilkenson's, later Pulaski's) 22nd
district. Reel 71/36, Pulaski Superior Court Deeds 1807-1811 DB "A" was the
focal point of an individual page search. Reels 38/53, 38/54 and 38/55,
Pulaski County Superior Court Index to Deeds and Mortgages, Vol. 1, 1807-1899
were extensively searched by individual pages. Will books were also
non-productive.

Burke County's fragmentary records revealed nothing. Reel 232/14 has
fragmentary
records of Wilkinson deeds and wills unindexed. An individual reading
revealed nothing.

3. Dr. Lane had reported that he found the specific land later in the 1800's
to be
titled to a Sarah Hinson. It is conceivable that Sarah Hinson could be a
later female Poythress decendant but Dr. Lane I think wisely discounts that
one. Dr. Lane also reports that queries of the present owners are not
productive.

Typically when a new county is formed, the matter of hauling the old records
of an area to a new courthouse is simply ignored except as documents are
individually required and searched out of the "old" county courthouse. In
other cases, records ARE moved. And, as we know by now, two of the principle
counties are "burned", so it's likely no one knows.

I draw three conclusions from all of the above:

1) Mary Ann Elizabeth Poythress Dixon Odum likely is one of the "Orphans of
Thomas Poythress and George and Edward Poythress are the other two. This
requires a construct of one orphan qualifying two adults as a "family of
orphans."
I'm willing to make such a construct in the absence of any other
evidence.
Another supporting circumstance is that there are simply no other
candidates and
the previous lottery at least suggests two of the three names.

2) Elizabeth Muir Poythress is unidentified for me and I'm reluctant to give
Mary
Ann Elizabeth Poythress yet another name without leading documentation or
circumstances. Disregarding her out of hand is not really fair inasmuch
as we
didn't even know MEAPDO existed until she appears "as" Elizabeth. Maybe
her
middle name was Muir.

3) We will likely never find the records of land to find one or more of the
orphans as
a deed grantor or legator. The likeliest home for the records would be
Burke or
Wilkinson County, both burned. Wilkinson County is two days travel from
Burke.
Unless the land was required to be "taken up" in the county of the new
land, it is
doubtful if the new owners would have even travel that far unless
required by the
law to do so.

Conclusion: this is research with much speculation. I would very much
appreciate being proved either right or wrong should one of us find more
substantive records.		08/22/2001 8:35:23
RE: New Internet Search FacilitiesDiana DiamondAny of you who know me, know I am a devout user of www.google.com for most
everything, but, Maynard, I gave your page reference
[http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/columns/george/4424.asp] a shot, and
while stunned at all that writing (you warned us), I tried this one, and I
think it is quite nifty.

http://www.webbrain.com/html/default_win.html

The trick to using this one is to clear your browser of as many toolbars as
you can, because the actual links are at the bottom and you can't see them
unless you have lots of space.

I entered "genealogy" as they suggested. (This search engine didn't work
well with initial choices that are too specific.)

I then for kicks tried "royalty."

Then I tried "historical personages."

The point here is that you expand your thinking as well as your searching.

The surnames search proved to be a bust unless you are searching your brain
for a specific name and wanted a list, though a phone book could accomplish
the same thing.

On a second try I somehow got into Scottish clans, and found the Campbells,
one of my families. It is a little like the lottery. I was amazed at how
many clan web sites there are. Regrettably, the Poythress name didn't show
up for me as much I teased this site in that direction.

But for "Virginia," it quickly produced a list of all the counties (when I
chose "counties"). Very neat. I imagine it would do well for other states
as well.

Diana		08/22/2001 12:27:17
Bellinda Myrick - Barnett address still correctHello,

FYI - for some of you who may have tried to contact me directly

There was some kind of glitching going on with my email for about a week or
more and it may have had an error message that indicated that my email wasn't
working correctly....not sure....anyway.....wanted to let those of you that I
have been communicating with that my email is still correct as:

BandB4951@aol.com

and I am subscribing to some of the lists again, just in case, as it appears
they are not functioning for me at this time.

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Bellinda Myrick - Barnett		08/25/2001 5:47:35
Poythress Surname -- 17th Century RecordsAlbert TimsPoythress List Subscribers,

I'd like to begin the process of updating and expanding the Poythress research website.

The place to start is with the page for 17th century Virginia records. We've approached this period by building a timeline of primary records and surveys mentioning the Poythress surname. We have not included secondary sources or compilations, since these don't contribute to the document history.

I believe what we have is correct, but may not be complete. It would be most helpful if each of you would compare the records we've compiled so far with your document records. Given the scaricity of records from this period we should take special care to catalog every extant record.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/date1633.html

Your help and support is greatly appreciated.

Best,

Al Tims		08/25/2001 6:39:13
Re: Peter Poythress documentsWillow Bend Books - Craig R. ScottThe Peter Poythress document which I have not retrieved lends the appearence
of being a Loyalist claim and that he is in London.

I have several books on Loyalist claims in the bookstore and will look them
up on Monday. I had never thought to look for a Poythress there.

This means that the possiblity exists that other Poythress descendants that
we have yet to encounter. Unless Peter returns to the U.S. after the
Revolution, which is doubtful. I don't remember any of us being descendants
of this Peter.

Craig


----- Original Message -----
From: "Diana Diamond"
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:23 AM
Subject: Peter Poythress documents


> Has anyone ever retrieved these early documents?
>
> Diana
>
> LVA Documents on Peter Poythres(s)
>
>
>
http://eagle.vsla.edu/cgi-bin/colonial.gateway?searchtype=subject&conf=01000
> 0++++++++++++++&searcharg=Poythres%2c+Peter+--+1711%2f12%2c+SR+01476%2c+p.
>
>
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>
>		08/26/2001 3:27:33
Peter Poythress documentsDiana DiamondHas anyone ever retrieved these early documents?

Diana

LVA Documents on Peter Poythres(s)


http://eagle.vsla.edu/cgi-bin/colonial.gateway?searchtype=subject&conf=01000
0++++++++++++++&searcharg=Poythres%2c+Peter+--+1711%2f12%2c+SR+01476%2c+p.		08/26/2001 5:23:56
Richard Portis, 1635Diana DiamondAnything known about him? Also at LVA
http://eagle.vsla.edu/cgi-bin/colonial.gateway?searchtype=subject&conf=01000
0++++++++++++++&searcharg=Portis%2c+Richard+--+merchant+--+1635%2c+SR+

Portis, Richard -- merchant -- 1635, SR 10915, p. 8.

Al, the pages are looking great.

Away for a few days:)

Diana		08/26/2001 5:32:12
Cemeteries of Screven County AreaI have today sent this compilation of tombstone copies to all of the
Poythress list members who are in my e-mail address book. It was sent
directly as an attachment since the Rootsweb list-server format will not
accept attachments. I will have missed those of you who are not in my
address book.

If you are interested in a copy of this document please just e-mail me and
I'll e-mail you one right back as an attachment. If you are not interested
in this area of southeastern Georgia or these families read no further, the
intent is for you to then just click this message off and I apologize for
having stuffed your mail box.

A further description for those who might be interested:

By "Screven Area" generally is meant Screven, Bulloch, Effingham, Burke,
Jenkins and even Chatham counties. The claim is not made that the list is
complete so if you have one I missed please send it to me for addition and I
will untimately send it to Al to put on the completed web-page.

This complication of Poythress and related surnames results in part from Bud
and I fighting off man eating redbugs to record the data. Other sources are
available on county records microfilmed in the Georgia Archives. Bud and I
have snapshots of a number of these graves so if you are interested just let
me know and I'll scan you a copy if we have it.

The list runs 19 pages but that is only because there "is so much white."
When available we tried to render the copy precisely as it appears on the
tombstone and to provide other comments that might be meaningful. That
"opens up" a lot of space.

I was surprised to note that the list has so few individuals buried earlier
than the mid to even late 1800's. It then dawned on me that burials in
"maintained" church cemeteries with sexton records was not the custom in the
rural South until later.
Sadly, many of these cemeteries are now lost and the ones that aren't are
usually in bad condition.

If you'd like a copy of the document just e-mail me.

Best,

Maynard Poythress		08/26/2001 9:01:05
Re: Cemeteries of Screven County AreaAlbert TimsP:oythess List,

We have created a new index section on the web site for cemetery studies.
The Screven Area study is up, both as a web page and as a PDF file for
downloading with all the original page formatting. The document can be
found by clicking on "Cemetery Records" on the home page of the Poythress
web site.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

Best,
Al Tims

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 2:01 PM
Subject: Cemeteries of Screven County Area


> I have today sent this compilation of tombstone copies to all of the
> Poythress list members who are in my e-mail address book. It was sent
> directly as an attachment since the Rootsweb list-server format will not
> accept attachments. I will have missed those of you who are not in my
> address book.
>
> If you are interested in a copy of this document please just e-mail me and
> I'll e-mail you one right back as an attachment. If you are not
interested
> in this area of southeastern Georgia or these families read no further,
the
> intent is for you to then just click this message off and I apologize for
> having stuffed your mail box.
>
> A further description for those who might be interested:
>
> By "Screven Area" generally is meant Screven, Bulloch, Effingham, Burke,
> Jenkins and even Chatham counties. The claim is not made that the list is
> complete so if you have one I missed please send it to me for addition and
I
> will untimately send it to Al to put on the completed web-page.
>
> This complication of Poythress and related surnames results in part from
Bud
> and I fighting off man eating redbugs to record the data. Other sources
are
> available on county records microfilmed in the Georgia Archives. Bud and
I
> have snapshots of a number of these graves so if you are interested just
let
> me know and I'll scan you a copy if we have it.
>
> The list runs 19 pages but that is only because there "is so much white."
> When available we tried to render the copy precisely as it appears on the
> tombstone and to provide other comments that might be meaningful. That
> "opens up" a lot of space.
>
> I was surprised to note that the list has so few individuals buried
earlier
> than the mid to even late 1800's. It then dawned on me that burials in
> "maintained" church cemeteries with sexton records was not the custom in
the
> rural South until later.
> Sadly, many of these cemeteries are now lost and the ones that aren't are
> usually in bad condition.
>
> If you'd like a copy of the document just e-mail me.
>
> Best,
>
> Maynard Poythress
>
>
>
>
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> Poythress Geneaology Research Web
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
>
>		08/26/2001 10:51:41
Richard Portis, 1635Charles NealDiana,

I've never heard of him, but appreciate the sighting. LVA has added a lot
of database info to search online since I had last been trolling there, so
I appreciate this heads-up.

Barbara (BPN)



08/26/2001 12:16:48
Peter Poythress documentsCharles NealNot that I know of.

Barbara (BPN)



08/26/2001 12:16:49
Re: Peter Poythress documentsAlbert TimsLisa,

Yes, I have the Peter Poythress reference Diana Diamond asked about and have
reviewed all of the variant spellings of Poythress found in the Colonial
Records Project surveys.

As it turns out I just today received a microfilm from the Library of
Virginia with several of the documents related to the Evans case. I'm
amazed that these documents were in such good shape when they were filmed
(1957). Once I've reviewed the current set of letters I'll move along to
the second set of documents that detail the specific ships and ship masters
involved in the case against Francis Poythress.

As for Peter Poythress, this loyalist claim mentions him as a partner of a
loyalist who claims that Poythress and their other partner seized his
property when he hightailed it back to England. I'd like to get the full
record of all these early documents.

The LVA did not get reproduction rights when they surveyed these documents
in England, so we'd have to get a copyright release before I could publish
the image documents to the web. I'm prepared to do this when the time
comes.

I will scan the 1638 documents and share them with anyone wishing to help
with the transcription. As many of you know, reading script from this
period is something of an art :-).

We have several good documents on the website related to the Wynne
connections. I remain of the opinion that a deeper study of the Wynne and
Woodlief ties may yield further insight into the origins of Francis
Poythress.

Finally, we now have PDF versions of the Robert Bolling Batte charts up on
the web (in the studies and charts section) courtesy of Diana Diamond.
These files are fairly large but when downloaded will provide high quality
reproductions. Chart A will need to be printed in landscape mode on legal
size paper.

Best,
Al Tims


> > Nice find, Diana. And there were a couple more hiding under variant
> > spellings that turned up when I hit the scroll button by mistake:
> >
> > Poyethres, Francis # SR 00631 - which is the Poythres-Evans suit as
> > Lawrence Evans is listed two lines up as the other party in the suit.
Al,
> > is this the one you already have so I don't have to add it to my check
list?
> >
> > Poythres, Francis Capt. # SR 03718 - Probate for the will of Robert
Wynne.
> > This is obviously Francis Jr. as Robert Wynne married widow Mary
Poythres.
> >
>
>
> While these lists of principles in suits and court "cases" appear to be
> unrelated and "only" alphabetical, in reality the names are alphabetical
> relative specifically to the particular "S. R." ( I assume "Search
Result").
> Therefore, the "other party or parties" involved are often only a couple
of
> lines away on the same page. For example in the Robert Wynne Probate
case
> there are 4 Wynnes on the same page with Capt. Francis Poythres, one of
whom
> is his mother Mary. No way someone would not already have turned up her
> maiden name via this search (if it's there) but I guess we'll never know
> until we check it.
>
> As my list of stuff to photocopy or transcribe in the LVA grows towards
> "lifetime" proportions I am casting about for alternatives vs. moving to
> Richmond.
>
> CRAIG ! .......you got a biz to run rather than herding cats. HOWEVER...
>
> ..surely you have in your address book a sweet little senior citizen
looking
> to pick up a few easy bucks, most especially a Richmond resident and a
> Virginia citizen? In this particular "project" the 5 cases have a total
of
> 7 pages to be photocopied. Maybe an additional 4 or 5 pages tops for
other
> names "in the case" although typically they will be on the same pages as
the
> Poythress entries.
>
> We can make it nice and easy because we'll have the reference numbers and
> names all laid out, even the microfilm reel numbers in the cases where its
on
> microfilm. It's easy (and economical) for us because copies made for
persons
> IN the library are free (up to 20 I think it said), our "contract agent"
has
> no out-of-state fee, plus we don't need to get the LVA to mail us those
> quadruplicate "request forms" by the ream. And library personnel even
make
> the copies for said agent in the case of original documents plus the
library
> has a photocoping machine for microfilm in those instances. Call this one
an
> hour or so worth of work tops, plus postage and some incidental copying
fees
> for the stuff on microfilm reels.
>
> This ringing any bells for you, Craig?
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>		08/27/2001 4:08:47
BARNETT connections 1700's VA to 1800's GAHello,

I am interested in whether anyone researching the BARNETT - ROLFE -
POYTHRESS, BARNETT - MERIWETHER, and FIELDER - LEWIS - BENGE - WATTS and KING
- NICHOLS family groups has any additional information on a the parents and
ancestry of my husband's paternal 2nd great grandfather who was named

Shadrick/Shadrack/Shadrach/Shadrac BARNETT
......born: 13 April 1826
.......died: 04 April 1896
.......buried: in Pleasant View Baptist Church
...................in Carrolton, Georgia,
...................(Carroll County, I believe)
md: Ann FIELDER

as in the following tree of information. Please see it below.

Looking forward to hearing from anyone who might connect.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Bellinda Myrick - Barnett (see tree below)

father: Thomas Henry "Tom/Tommy" BARNETT, Jr
....born: June, 1926 in Macon or Temple, Georgia
....mother: Emily BUTLER
........Born: Abt. 1800,
........Died: Abt. 1938 in car wreck on
.................Memorial or Labor Day
....father: Thomas Henry Shedrick "Tom" BARNETT, Sr.
........Born: Abt. 1889 in Temple, Georgia
.........mother: Alice Lucinda NICHOLS
..............born: 23 Sep 1860
..............md: 25 Feb 1884
..............mother: Martha W. KING
..................born: 28 Sep 1828
..................died: 04 Oct 1916
..................buried at Macedonia Baptist Church Cemetery
..................at Sand Hill, Carroll County, Georgia
..................father: Henry W. NICHOLS
....................Children of Martha W. KING and
....................Henry W. NICHOLS include: (9 children)
....................[1.] John Thomas NICHOLS
...............................(1.) John Burtus NICHOLS
....................[2.] Alice Lucinda NICHOLS
.........father: James Thomas BARNETT
............Born: Jan 1862 in Temple, Georgia
............Died: 25 Aug 1893
............mother: Ann/Martha? Ann FIELDER
................born: 02 July 1841
................died: 01 April 1896
................(It is possible but not sure that this is her
.................ancestral information below:)
.................father: Josiah FIELDER (is this her father?)
.....................born: 1791 in South Carolina
.....................father: James FIELDER, (Rev. War)
.........................born: 1750 in South Carolina
.........................died: 1813 in Georgia
..........................mother: Sallie BENGE
...............................born: 1760
...............................died: 1830 at age 70 years
...............................mother: Elizabeth LEWIS
....................................(does her TERRELL - LEWIS family
.....................................connect with the WARNER - LEWIS
.....................................family in Virginia?)
....................................md: husb. # 1: John "Trader/Old Trader"
BENGE
........................................md: wife # 1: Elizabeth LEWIS
........................................md: wife # 2: Wurteh WATTS
............................................(Cherokee)
............................................(mother of Cherokee "SEQUOYAH")
........................................Children of John "Trader/Old Trader"
BENGE
...........................................and Wurteh WATTS include:
........................................(1.) Chief Robert "Bob" BENGE
............................................md: husb. # 2: ? FIELDER,
............................................(cousin of the above James
FIELDER)
..............................father: John "Trader/Old Trader" BENGE
............................mother: Sarah "Salley" LEWIS
.................................(is this her mother?)
............father: Shedrick/Shadrach BARNETT
................born: 13 April 1826
................died: 04 April 1896
................buried: in Pleasant View Baptist Church
............................in Carrolton, Georgia
...............(there is a Shedrick BARNETT listed in the
................1850 Census for Coweta Co., Georgia who
.................lived near a John P. BARNETT with an
.................almost one year old child. Coweta Co.
.................was near the town Temple, Georgia which
.................is where Shedrick's son,
.................James Thomas BARNETT, lived later.
.................Also, there was a William Ezra BARNETT,
.................born: 1849 in Georgia and could be that
.................the son of the mentioned John P. BARNETT
.................and ths William later moved to
.................Randolph?/Calhoun?/Clay?, in
.................Talladegha County, Alabama. Also there is
.................information regarding Shadrack P. BARNETT,
.................age 44, male, born in Georgia, roll 139, page 150
.................in the 1870 Carroll County, Georgia Census,
.................which is next door.to Coweta Co., GA, and also
.................in this same census is an Absolum BARNETT,
.................age 68, male, white, born
.................in South Carolina, roll 139, page 138, this could
.................be a parents for Shadrack P. BARNETT.
..................And info from 1847 Census for Coweta Co.,
..................Georgia, in the home of Valentine HARLIN, 60 yrs old,
..................carpenter, born in SC,
..................and Susan HARLIN, 58, and their children probably,
..................Al HARLIN, 44 yrs, born in SC, and James P. HARLIN,
..................age 33 years, male carpenter,
..................and probable grandchild, Thomas prob. HARLIN,
..................age 6 yrs old male, was a Shadrack BARNETT,
..................age 27 years old, male, carpenter, born in
..................South Carolina,
..................Per info from Carolyn BARNETT SENOR,)
..................(Either James Thomas BARNETT or his father,
...................Shedrick/Shadrach BARNETT served in the
...................Confederate Army in the Civil War and carried mail
...................on horseback to the troops.)
..................(Some of the NICHOLS, KING and BARNETT
...................information comes from Anne ALLEN, descendant
...................above mentioned John Burtus NICHOLS.)		08/27/2001 5:17:09
Re: Peter Poythress documentsIn a message dated 8/26/01 11:27:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
DiamondDPC@erols.com writes:

> http://eagle.vsla.edu/cgi-bin/colonial.gateway?searchtype=subject&conf=01000
> 0++++++++++++++&searcharg=Poythres%2c+Peter+--+1711%2f12%2c+SR+01476%2c+p.
>
> Nice find, Diana. And there were a couple more hiding under variant
> spellings that turned up when I hit the scroll button by mistake:
>
> Poyethres, Francis # SR 00631 - which is the Poythres-Evans suit as
> Lawrence Evans is listed two lines up as the other party in the suit. Al,
> is this the one you already have so I don't have to add it to my check list?
>
> Poythres, Francis Capt. # SR 03718 - Probate for the will of Robert Wynne.
> This is obviously Francis Jr. as Robert Wynne married widow Mary Poythres.
>


While these lists of principles in suits and court "cases" appear to be
unrelated and "only" alphabetical, in reality the names are alphabetical
relative specifically to the particular "S. R." ( I assume "Search Result").
Therefore, the "other party or parties" involved are often only a couple of
lines away on the same page. For example in the Robert Wynne Probate case
there are 4 Wynnes on the same page with Capt. Francis Poythres, one of whom
is his mother Mary. No way someone would not already have turned up her
maiden name via this search (if it's there) but I guess we'll never know
until we check it.

As my list of stuff to photocopy or transcribe in the LVA grows towards
"lifetime" proportions I am casting about for alternatives vs. moving to
Richmond.

CRAIG ! .......you got a biz to run rather than herding cats. HOWEVER...

..surely you have in your address book a sweet little senior citizen looking
to pick up a few easy bucks, most especially a Richmond resident and a
Virginia citizen? In this particular "project" the 5 cases have a total of
7 pages to be photocopied. Maybe an additional 4 or 5 pages tops for other
names "in the case" although typically they will be on the same pages as the
Poythress entries.

We can make it nice and easy because we'll have the reference numbers and
names all laid out, even the microfilm reel numbers in the cases where its on
microfilm. It's easy (and economical) for us because copies made for persons
IN the library are free (up to 20 I think it said), our "contract agent" has
no out-of-state fee, plus we don't need to get the LVA to mail us those
quadruplicate "request forms" by the ream. And library personnel even make
the copies for said agent in the case of original documents plus the library
has a photocoping machine for microfilm in those instances. Call this one an
hour or so worth of work tops, plus postage and some incidental copying fees
for the stuff on microfilm reels.

This ringing any bells for you, Craig?

Maynard		08/27/2001 8:37:36
Browse and Search Mailing List ArchivesAlbert TimsPoythress List,

We've added a new direct link to the Poythress mailing list archives. Its possible to browse the messages and message threads month by month or search the records year by year. This isn't new for Rootsweb list -- just easier to find and use in relation to the other information resources at the Poythress website.

The link can be found in the Document Index frame on a link names Message Archives at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

Best,
Al Tims




08/28/2001 3:56:48
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--part1_93.f62a771.28bd0d35_boundary--		08/28/2001 5:05:25
A Modest ProposalI saw my first example the other day of someone RE-PUBLISHING "Poythreff"
from a PREVIOUS TRANSCRIPTION of an early Poythress document.

I suppose it hadn't even ocurred to me until now, but to re-copy a
transcription citing "Poythreff" or "Poythrefs" is actually to put a
handwriting interpretation ERROR back into the stream. In these instances
the "re-re-publisher", almost by definition, is simply compounding an albeit
innocent error of transcriber # 1.

The proposal is that we simply correct the "Poythreff/Poythrefs" errors as we
transfer a RE-transcription to our own page, knowing that it was simply a
previous transcriber's error in the first place.

To me, this is completely distinct from actual variants; i. e. Poytress,
Portriss, etc. appearing in either original documents OR transcriptions.
These can (should) be cited as written and be "sic'ed" or qualified or even
transcribed literally as the author deems appropriate because this is very
likely a variant spelling and probably true to the original document whether
the clerk got it right or wrong.

None of this addresses the issue of phonetic/misspellings by court
clerks,etc. which is an issue we have learned to live with and is likely the
source of some variants to begin with.

I don't make this to be a federal case, just a consideration. The object is
to avoid the almost universal stigmatizing of "Poythreff" documents as "there
goes a genealogist unaware of period handwriting conventions."

Maynard		08/28/2001 5:41:19
Browse and Search Mailing List ArchivesAl: Oooo-Ahhhh, what a nice lick....to put the search engine and the
archives and threads right on the page hit-self. I suppose I would have
thought of that probably sometime in the next million years.

Maynard



08/28/2001 5:46:24
Re: A Modest ProposalWillow Bend Books - Craig R. ScottI think that there are two different issues here.

First, to transcribe Poythreff as Poythress is not a transcription error. To
not do so is to demonstrate that you do not understand the colonial hand. I
have similiar problems with people who transcribe Ye as Ye instead of The,
which it really is. The Y is not actually a Y but a T character that my
email program can not reproduce. I believe it is called a "thorn".

Second, I disagree that a variation in the surname should be converted to
the politically correct surname. Variations should be kept as they are. One
never knows when a side of the family decides that it should be this way.
There are just too many similiar surnames that have no connection. In our
own discussions we have eliminated some variations as not belonging to us,
although for the life of me I can't remember what they are. I do know that
they begin with the letter 'P.'

Craig



----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 11:41 PM
Subject: A Modest Proposal


> I saw my first example the other day of someone RE-PUBLISHING "Poythreff"
> from a PREVIOUS TRANSCRIPTION of an early Poythress document.
>
> I suppose it hadn't even ocurred to me until now, but to re-copy a
> transcription citing "Poythreff" or "Poythrefs" is actually to put a
> handwriting interpretation ERROR back into the stream. In these instances
> the "re-re-publisher", almost by definition, is simply compounding an
albeit
> innocent error of transcriber # 1.
>
> The proposal is that we simply correct the "Poythreff/Poythrefs" errors as
we
> transfer a RE-transcription to our own page, knowing that it was simply a
> previous transcriber's error in the first place.
>
> To me, this is completely distinct from actual variants; i. e. Poytress,
> Portriss, etc. appearing in either original documents OR transcriptions.
> These can (should) be cited as written and be "sic'ed" or qualified or
even
> transcribed literally as the author deems appropriate because this is very
> likely a variant spelling and probably true to the original document
whether
> the clerk got it right or wrong.
>
> None of this addresses the issue of phonetic/misspellings by court
> clerks,etc. which is an issue we have learned to live with and is likely
the
> source of some variants to begin with.
>
> I don't make this to be a federal case, just a consideration. The object
is
> to avoid the almost universal stigmatizing of "Poythreff" documents as
"there
> goes a genealogist unaware of period handwriting conventions."
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
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> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
>
>		08/29/2001 2:17:25
Re: A Modest ProposalCraig....

Re Poythreff.....I disagree but let it go, I said it wasn't a federal case.

On the second point, we agree 100%.....and that's what I thought I was
saying....maybe not too well it seems.

Maynard		08/29/2001 4:03:02
Wills and Estate RecordsAlbert TimsPoythress List,

All of the wills and estate records posted on the Poythress website now are active (no broken links). We have approximately 20 documents ranging between 1712 and 1862.

I would be pleased to post additional transcriptions of wills and estate records. We can't post copyrighted materials without a copyright release. Original transcriptions from primary records shouldn't present a problem.

It is helpful to include the archive information and appropriate transcription notes. We have wonderful examples in the transcriptions already posted. I can work with a text file or MS Word file most easily.

Transcriptions can be sent directly to me at
atims@mediaone.net

Best,
Al Tims		08/29/2001 4:36:13
POYTHREFF and POYTHRESSHello,

I have not been viewing all of the email regarding the POYTHREFF and
POYTHRESS info and while I am sure that there has been discussion regarding
this already I would like to be advised of a response.

In the Colonial era a caligraphied S was often written looking like an F (but
with more of a 'flair' that I cannot produce with my current email font at
the moment,) which would, obviously, account for this error.

Has this previously been covered?

Sincerely,

Bellinda Myrick - Barnett



08/29/2001 5:37:22
RE: Browse and Search Mailing List ArchivesLou PooleAl, I think the new home page is excellently done. It's looking better
and better. Nice job!

Hope you don't mind, but when people in other surname groups start the
discussion of setting-up a group web page and ask people for their ideas
of how it should be done, I invariably refer them to the Poythress page
as a best example of how to do it with simple, effective elegance. And
that was when I was sending them to the old page!

The only thing I don't like are the commercial banners, but I know
that's the price of rootsweb support.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: Albert Tims [mailto:atims@mediaone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:57 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Browse and Search Mailing List Archives


Poythress List,

We've added a new direct link to the Poythress mailing list archives.
Its possible to browse the messages and message threads month by month
or search the records year by year. This isn't new for Rootsweb list --
just easier to find and use in relation to the other information
resources at the Poythress website.

The link can be found in the Document Index frame on a link names
Message Archives at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

Best,
Al Tims



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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		08/29/2001 12:17:35
RE: A Modest ProposalLou PooleI've been doing this a while, and I didn't know heretofore that "Ye"
was, in reality, "the" (because of a limitation of modern keyboards). I
learn something every day. Thanks, Craig.

But I have a different opinion/take on the subject... I know why
Poythress if often written "Poythreff," and I now know to translate "Ye"
as literally "the". But when I'm reading a transcription done by
someone else, I'd much rather that they write it down exactly as they
see it (since, by definition, I can't see it); I can correct the
foregoing kinds of errors from there. The thought of encouraging
everyone, many or most of whom might not know all these nuances, to
freely substitute what they think is right makes me shudder at the
possible "abuses" and errors that would occur. I'd much prefer the
identifiable errors over the unidentifiable substitutions.

Just looking at the question from another angle.

Lou



08/29/2001 12:41:22
Poythress Image FilesAlbert TimsPoythress List,

We've updated the webpage design for the image file section of the Poythress research web. The new format shows a thumbnail of the image before it is opened. We only have eight images in the directory at present, but we certainly can, and should, add historically important and representative items.

Best,
Al




08/30/2001 7:52:44
Flowerdew Hundred: My VisitDiana DiamondMaynard, you may recall that last December you posted a notice to the list
about Flowerdew Hundred, the large spread of land that once belonged to
Joshua Poythress. You visited there in November when the site was largely
closed to visitors. For visiting times see http://www.flowerdew.org/

Yesterday, I made a day trip to the James River area of the ancestors,
passing Turkey Island (not really an island), Shirley Plantation of the
Lees, Berkeley Plantation, home of the Harrisons, Westover, home of the
Byrds (on land once owned by Theoderick Bland) and then in a 15 minute drive
over the James River to Flowerdew Hundred.

I expected to be there a half an hour, but was quite amazed after several
hours. On approaching the small museum on the property a young lady popped
out and immediately said the house on the property was new but we could
visit the museum and take a bus tour of the archeological sights.

The museum was interesting, but the bus tour, which included two
knowledgeable experts from the foundation, my husband and me, took us on the
five or six miles on rough roads along the river past planted fields, a
swamp, and included many water birds, and four wild turkeys! The
turkeys--which flew up into the trees--were apparently a treat for our
guides, too. It was definitely a case of serendipity. Being there
somewhat late in the day, heavy humidity, the staff was apparently enjoyed
having some interested visitors at the end of a quiet day.

Without a house to see, the site suffers in comparison to the lovely
plantations minutes away. The Flowerdew Hundred visitors often include
school children interested in the wildlife and the reproduction of a
windmill (2 times the original size), birders, or serious history buffs. My
husband spilled the beans immediately that I was interested in the Poythress
family, and they asked me some questions, too.

Apparently they also have many visitors from families who have ancestors
once living there including Gov. Yeardly (whose wife was Temperance
Flowerdew, source of the name), but not too many of the Poythress branch.
The museum has a very lovely small picture of Susanna Peachy Poythress
1785-1815 [(P-1) BAA AA][Daughter of Joshua III) and her husband's portrait
in oil. He is John V. Willcox. The place apparently passed to a descendant
named Brown. It is not owned by any of this family now.

They didn't seem to know anything about Peter Poythress of Flower de
Hundred, which is the same place as far as I can tell. Perhaps Peter rented
land, for at one time there were many people living along the river. If any
one can clarify this issue, please. A map in the museum had the name of the
area also called Fleur de Hondred, apparently a French version.

The museum has many artifacts from the 400 years since settlement. (And a
whale tooth from prehistoric times, Indian artifacts). The 100 acres are
still run as a working farm, growing mostly soybeans, but they have
apparently started a small patch of an early variety of tobacco, which must
have already been harvested.

It is hard to convey in a nutshell four hundred years of history. But the
staff showed us the same cypress that General Lee saw during the Civil War,
and which appears in photographs of the time. This is at the spot of the
Pontoon crossing (in Maynard's note).

What interested me most was this drive along the James River, which was
apparently a widely traveled road in Colonial times. There were found at
one dig site remains of a tavern road house there, not that any structure
remains. In the 1700s there was a Ferry crossing the James, which is at
least a mile wide there, perhaps more. Many of the old trails are still in
existence, and the property still probably looks much as it did throughout
its history. It seems that most of the plantations built on Flowerdew
(including the Selden) were built away from the River. On the north side of
the river, most of the plantations have river views.

The staff says that so much archeological material has been collected at the
sight by various university groups that they had to halt further digging
until the material in hand could be analyzed.

Apparently if you join the foundation, you are invited to use their research
library on the site. See Maynard's email in the archives for more
information.
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/P/POYTHRESS
+2000+90185116+F

One further note of interest to any Bland descendants, there is a new
residential development on Jordan's point (a few miles away) and apparently
they dug up Richard Bland and moved him! This is the Richard Bland that
married Anne Poythress. I think she must have been moved too. But this is
something I have not really investigated.

Diana		08/31/2001 6:15:42
new email addresswayne scruggsPlease send all e-mail to this address until future notice.
wscruggs@tampabay.rr.com
Thanks,
Judy



09/02/2001 2:09:30
VA Land Grants On-LineFrom the July/Aug 2001 LVA newsletter:

"DATABASE ALLOWS SEARCHES OF LAND OFFICE PATENTS AND GRANTS

The Library of Virginia's Digital Library Program has completed the creation
of a fully
searchable database to the Virginia Land Office Patents and Grants
Collection. The database consists of 161,467 records and links to the
digital images of the original documents. To use the database go to the
Library's Web site (www.lva.lib.va.us) and click on Digital Library Program
then on Land Records.

The database consists of entries from two major collections found at the
Library of Virginia plus a small collection of field notes and plats of
tracts surveyed by Guy Broadwater in 1749.

The Colonial Land Office Patents, 1623-1774, contain the title of the
sovereign or protector under whom it was issued, the consideration for which
it was issued, the name of the patentee, the size of the tract, the county of
location, a description of the land, any reservations for the crown and the
date the patent was signed. This collection includes the patents recorded by
the office of the Secretary of the Colony.

The records of the Virginia Land Office, 1779-1993, contain recorded copies
of grants issued from the establishment of the Land Office in 1779. Grants
issued after 1993 are not part of the on-line collection but are available on
microfilm. These records include the name of the grantee, a description of
the land granted and the date on which the grant was signed. After 1779 the
surveys also were also recorded in the Land Office. These documents have
been microfilmed but are not part of this on-line collection.

In 1948, the records of the Land Office, which were then in the custody of
the Secretary of the Commonwealth, were transferred to the State Library and,
by act of Assembly, March 5, 1952, the duties of the Register of the Land
Office were transferred from the Secretary of the Commonwealth to the State
Librarian. Following the reorganization of the Land Office, the localities
were charged with the issuing of titles to vacant lands, primarily for
non-payment of taxes.

The online collection consists of digitalized images of recorded Land Office
patents and grants, recorded Northern Neck grants and recorded Northern Neck
surveys
(1786-1874). There are no pre-1779 Land Office surveys. Only original
documents exist for the Northern Neck plats and certificates at present."


Maynard		09/02/2001 12:56:22
Re: George Poythress



09/03/2001 1:27:24
Re: George PoythressCindy, received the addresses of an e-mail from you but the message block was
blank. Would you resend pls?

Thanks,

Maynard



09/03/2001 4:58:21
George PoythressFor those keeping a database on this guy (who is a data base all by himself):

Burke County, GA Tax Digests year 1798
General Tax List by Assessors
GDAH Microfilm 186/6

Poythress, George, Waynesboro, GA
Property:
Houses - 1
Outhouses - 1 (means out buildings, not privies)
Acres - 1
Valuation as determined by the principle assessor: : $ 1500
21 Feb 1800, Signed: Thomas Yarborough, Assessor, Burke County

Poythress, George, Waynesboro, GA
Property Slaves
Total slaves: 4
Excused by state because of disability: 1
Ages 12-50 elibible: 3
[no dollar value stated, leaving us to assume there was a probably a uniform
head tax applicable to all]
12 Feb 1800, Signed: Thomas Yarborough, Assessor, Burke County.



Maynard		09/03/2001 9:24:30
More on FlowerdewDiana DiamondThe URL below takes you to a web page at the Library of Virginia with
pictures of a former dwelling on Flowerdew and a map. The map is very
large, and some patience is required if you want see details. You have first
to download pages of the report in TIFF format before you can read them.
But the WPA report is interesting. The pictures are of a house that is no
longer standing.

http://image.vtls.com/VHI/html/22/0412.html

A summary of the material, at
http://eagle.vsla.edu/cgi-bin/vhi.gateway?bib=7000686260

Diana		09/05/2001 3:19:07
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>  able to boot up.
>		09/05/2001 7:33:14
Deeds in Dinwiddie CountyDiana DiamondThe material below is attached to some pages I mentioned earlier (On line
primer on Deeds and Land Records), but I don't think this material was
actually noted before. I have been pursuing a lead I picked up in the R.
Bolling Batte cards that Hannah Unknown was the wife not only of Francis
Poythress VA [(P-1) DCB], but also Bernard Claiborne, and she was also
called in some places Georgianna. If I have made a correct
connection/correction, Hannah Unknown would be Hannah Ravenscroft. If this
makes sense to any one based on evidence already in hand, let me know. Batte
presents this woman several different ways, but made the correction from
Georgianna to Hannah only once, on the Claiborne cards.
http://lvaimage.lib.va.us/cgi-bin/drawerIII/disk8/CC/BA/010/C0115?5

In the material below, Lou and Steve, see a Henry Wall.

http://www.ultranet.com/~deeds/Dinwiddi.txt
Item Dat Ref To Re

94 2 Nov 1726 VPB 13 p12-14 Thomas Ravenscraft of 2418a on the
Lower Side of Nummisseen Cre
93 18 Apr 1722 VPB 11 p83-84 Thomas Ravenscroft, W 2593a on the
lower side of Nummisseen Cre


22 p420/42 Charles Poythress 300a on the lower side of the Oldfield Br
274 22 Sep 1739 VPB 18 p366 Francis Poythress 400a PGCo
117 22 Sep 1739 VPB 18 p420-42 Francis Poythress, Ge 3887a PGCo.
on the North side of Butterwo
256 20 Sep 1745 VPB 22 p496-49 John Poythress junior 844a PGC on
the N side of Tomahitton Swam
246 27 February 173 VPB 15 p437-43 Joshua Poythress of P 382a in the
County aforesaid on the South
542 29 May 1780, 4t CGB A p328-329 Peter Poythress Nearly 13
Acres by Survey Bearing Date th
215 1 Jun 1741 VPB 19 p950-95 William Poythress, Ge 1572a PGCo
upon the upper side of Tommahe
247 24 March 1734/3 VPB 15 p461-46 William Poythress Gen 400a being
near Sappone Chappel adjoyning
152 3 Aug 1752 VPB 31 p171 William Poythress 531a DNCo.
on the S side of Butterwood Sw
151 1 June 1741 VPB 19 p983 Majr. William Poythre 200a Prince
George County
145 9 July 1724 VPB 12 p68 Capt. Francis Poythri 387a on the
Upper or Wet Side of Butterwo
216 20 Jun 1733 VPB 15 p59 Thomas Poythris of PG 400a sd Co.
on the Lower or N side of Tom
214 20 June 1733, 7 William Poythris of P VPB 15 p39
144 9 July 1724 VPB 12 p68 William Poythris of P 206a on
both Sides of the Ready Br. of Bu
217 20 June 1733, 7 VPB 15 p61-62 William Poythris of P 381a PGCO
on the S side of Butterwood Swa


25 21 Apr 1690 VPB 8 p76 Henry Wall [to Eaton] 275a in
Bristoll parish in Charles Citty

12 p68-69 John Woodleif Senr. o 212a on the Upper Side Butterwood Swamp i
478 12 Jan 1746/47 VPB 25 p333-33 Peter Woodlief/Woodle 450a Prince
George Co. on the N side of B
501 1 Dec 1740 VPB 19 p870 John Worsham, John Bo 400a PGCO
525 12 Jan 1746/47 VPB 25 p331-33 Joseph Worsham 233a PGCO N
side of Stoney Cr.
468 25 November 174 VPB 23 p635-63 Francis Wyatt 377a PGCO
on the Upper side of Butterwood
325 20 Aug 1745 VPB 22 p433-44 Joshua Wynn 154a Prince
George Co. on the N side of S
170 31 Oct 1726 VPB 13 p42-43 Robert Wynne of Surry 400a both
Sides the Miery Meadow of Beavo
160 17 August 1725 VPB 12 p273 Slowman Wynne 176a PGCo
327 20 Aug 1745 VPB 22 p460-46 Henry Wythe 1000a PGCo.
on both sides of Chamberlains		09/05/2001 9:07:20
HesterDebbie.......Hot Ziggedy! Now I see where you are going and it never
occurred to me. I guess I wasn't paying attention. Sorry.

If you are right Deb, and I think you are but it's just now dawning on me,
you are putting together highly likely linkage for Bud Poythress, yourself,
Christine Poythress, and even that crowd of South Carolinians of Bud's friend
Doris Poythress and the Evans' Screven connection is confirmed once again but
that one was never much in doubt anyway.

You are placing William Poythress as the son of Hester Poythress in the 1850
Screven census at age 18 to be the same William E. Poythress m. (7 Dec 1857)
Martha J. ______ . We have a complete CSA service and pension record on
William E. and subsequent widow Martha that is helpful in this.

We don't exactly have a picture of William E. and Martha and Hester (in
beige, mother of the groom) all standing at the N. Newington Baptist Church
altar but we have just about everything else. I have only one tiny troubling
fact which is that William E. is shown in one place (undocumented) as "b.
VA." However, he is ALSO documented showing "b. S.C." (census) and "b. Ga."
(pension application). I think S. C. may likely be correct but that one
doesn't much matter so let's proceed admitting the small worry of the "VA"
matter.

A point is that by the time William E. Poythress is doing any "testifying" on
his own behalf he gives 3 different birth dates (all within 1 to 2 years of
the 1850 census-
derived ages which would have been fine even if he wasn't 75 years old when
he was testifying. But who was keeping score in those days anyway?). I think
it is significant that he never varies from the birth "date" of July 11 in
any of half dozen records and that is the date on his grave in N. Newington
Baptist Church where he is buried with wife Martha J.

As for pensions, remember, CSA pensions were STATE pensions. Even if William
E. was born in S. C. (which he could easily have been) or even VA, he is
likely "motivated" to "claim" born "Ga." for a "Ga." pension although
technically it wouldn't have denied him pension eligibilty since he served in
a Georgia unit. With a lack of substantiated records, states were taking a
critical view as the claims mounted. In a couple of other places (on the
applications) the answers to the birthplace question for William E. are
(slyly?) left blank on the pension papers.

I'm a bit shaky here but I believe one of the several children of William E.
and Martha
J. Poythress was J. Warren Poythress m. Louisianna Hortense Lucas on 11 Jan
1892 (Lucas b. 27 Apr 1870, d. 19 Sep 1969). We have a J. Warren Poythress
working at S. Guckenheimer and Sons as a "clk." at 202 State St. in Savannah
in 1891. That might ring a bell for Christine Poythress in Nashville.

So, if all of these people on the listserver (and maybe others) are descended
from Hester Poythress they are also descended from husband Meredith Poythress
and Thomas Poythress of Brunswick/Dinwiddie Counties, Virginia.

Hester has been worrisome to us all along, the principle questions being:

1) was "Hester" one lady or two as appear in the records, census and
otherwise?

2) if she is one in the same lady, did she marry second Meredith Poythress,
Sr. or
Meredith Poythress, Jr.? This is an issue Bud and I have tussled with
from time
to time. It's not a matter of huge importance but it does put Hester's
descendants in one generation or the other which I suppose is only a
matter of
plugging the right name(s) into one's chart.

3. If Hester is one lady, then who were William and the other minor children
in the
Screven1850 Census with Hester as head of household ? William (18) b. at
Hester's age 37 is a possible as a son but Mary A. (14), Lucy M. (9) and
Jane
(5) would seem to be getting out there a ways.

I'll be working on a time line for the "one or two" Hesters which seems the
best way to get a bead on her/them. If she is indeed one lady, she lead a
hugely complicated life and a personal time line would seem to get at it best.

For the process, any contributions appreciated.

Maynard		09/06/2001 7:57:04
RE: Flowerdew Hundred Modern LocationDiana DiamondAl,

That is one fabulous picture! Thanks so much for finding it.

Diana





09/07/2001 2:10:05
Flowerdew HundredCharles NealEnjoyed all the Flowerdew Hundred info! Neat to have the Historical
Inventory info & associated map detail & historic photos, and the current
satellite map & photo of the modern windmill reproduction.

Thanks, all.
BPN



09/07/2001 3:35:08
HesterCharles NealMaynard,

Could you please share with us whatever it was that Debbie sent you, that
prompted you put these thoughts together?

Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)
= = = =
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 01:57:04 EDT
Subject: Hester
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Debbie.......Hot Ziggedy! Now I see where you are going and it never
occurred to me. I guess I wasn't paying attention. Sorry.

If you are right Deb, and I think you are but it's just now dawning on me,
you are putting together highly likely linkage for Bud Poythress, yourself,
Christine Poythress, and even that crowd of South Carolinians of Bud's
friend Doris Poythress and the Evans' Screven connection is confirmed once
again but that one was never much in doubt anyway.

You are placing William Poythress as the son of Hester Poythress in the
1850 Screven census at age 18 to be the same William E. Poythress m. (7 Dec
1857) Martha J. ______ . We have a complete CSA service and pension
record on William E. and subsequent widow Martha that is helpful in this.

We don't exactly have a picture of William E. and Martha and Hester (in
beige, mother of the groom) all standing at the N. Newington Baptist Church
altar but we have just about everything else. I have only one tiny
troubling fact which is that William E. is shown in one place
(undocumented) as "b. VA." However, he is ALSO documented showing "b.
S.C." (census) and "b. Ga." (pension application). I think S. C. may
likely be correct but that one doesn't much matter so let's proceed
admitting the small worry of the "VA" matter.

A point is that by the time William E. Poythress is doing any "testifying"
on his own behalf he gives 3 different birth dates (all within 1 to 2 years
of the 1850 census- derived ages which would have been fine even if he
wasn't 75 years old when he was testifying. But who was keeping score in
those days anyway?). I think it is significant that he never varies from
the birth "date" of July 11 in any of half dozen records and that is the
date on his grave in N. Newington Baptist Church where he is buried with
wife Martha J.

As for pensions, remember, CSA pensions were STATE pensions. Even if
William E. was born in S. C. (which he could easily have been) or even VA,
he is likely "motivated" to "claim" born "Ga." for a "Ga." pension although
technically it wouldn't have denied him pension eligibilty since he served
in a Georgia unit. With a lack of substantiated records, states were taking
a critical view as the claims mounted. In a couple of other places (on the
applications) the answers to the birthplace question for William E. are
(slyly?) left blank on the pension papers.

I'm a bit shaky here but I believe one of the several children of William
E. and Martha J. Poythress was J. Warren Poythress m. Louisianna Hortense
Lucas on 11 Jan 1892 (Lucas b. 27 Apr 1870, d. 19 Sep 1969). We have a J.
Warren Poythress working at S. Guckenheimer and Sons as a "clk." at 202
State St. in Savannah in 1891. That might ring a bell for Christine
Poythress in Nashville.

So, if all of these people on the listserver (and maybe others) are
descended from Hester Poythress they are also descended from husband
Meredith Poythress and Thomas Poythress of Brunswick/Dinwiddie Counties,
Virginia.

Hester has been worrisome to us all along, the principle questions being:

1) was "Hester" one lady or two as appear in the records, census and
otherwise?

2) if she is one in the same lady, did she marry second Meredith Poythress,
Sr. or
Meredith Poythress, Jr.? This is an issue Bud and I have tussled with
from time
to time. It's not a matter of huge importance but it does put Hester's

descendants in one generation or the other which I suppose is only a
matter of
plugging the right name(s) into one's chart.

3. If Hester is one lady, then who were William and the other minor
children in the
Screven1850 Census with Hester as head of household ? William (18) b.
at
Hester's age 37 is a possible as a son but Mary A. (14), Lucy M. (9)
and Jane
(5) would seem to be getting out there a ways.

I'll be working on a time line for the "one or two" Hesters which seems the
best way to get a bead on her/them. If she is indeed one lady, she lead a
hugely complicated life and a personal time line would seem to get at it
best.

For the process, any contributions appreciated.
Maynard		09/07/2001 5:22:29
Maps of Our Ancestors from the British IslesDiana DiamondWith all our discussions of Albion's Seed a few weeks ago, I wanted to share
one of my favorite England sources for maps of the Tudor period.
Gloucester, believed to be Francis Poythress's birthplace, borders on the
south of Wales.

http://renaissance.dm.net/compendium/map-england.html

For more maps.
http://renaissance.dm.net/compendium/map-ind.html

Diana



09/07/2001 5:49:08
Forward of Poythress Query to LIstAlbert Tims----- Original Message -----
From: Don Raiskup
To: POYTHRESS-admin@rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 11:29 PM



HI, I AM JUST STARTING TO RESEARCH OUR FAMILY ROOTS, POYTRESS. I CAME ACROSS THIS WEB SITE WITH A DIFFERENT SPELLING AND READ SOME OF THE E MAILS FROM OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE RESEARCHED THE POYTRESS NAME. MY GREAT GRANDFATHER WAS JOHN A POYTRESS FROM BIRMINGHAM, ENGLAND HIS WIFE WAS MARY POYTRESS. THEY HAD A DAUGHTER NAMED NELLIE WHICH WAS MY GRANDMOTHER. MARY DIED AND JOHN WENT BACK TO ENGLAND AND REMARRIED AN ELLEN ANNIE HOPKINS FROM GLOUCESTER, ENGLAND. THEY ALL CAME OVER TO THE US IN THE 1900'S . THEY SETTLED IN FRESNO, CA. THE HOME PLACE WAS THE TOWN OF EASTON WHICH IT IS NOW CALLED, WHICH IS AROUND 7 MILES OUT OF FRESNO. JOHN AND ELLEN ENDED UP HAVING CHILDREN OF THEIR OWN, ANNIE JANE, ETHEL, KATHLEEN, RODRICK, JOHN, WILSON, DOROTHY, AND PHYLLIS. ELLEN DIED AND JOHN REMARRIED AGAIN. IF YOU HAVE COME ACROSS ANY FAMILY BY THIS SPELLING PLEASE LET ME KNOW. I DID READ AN EMAIL ABOUT A HOPKINS. DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD BE RELATED! . ! THERE ARE THE FAMILIES IN FRESNO THAT A!
RE RELATED, POYTRESS, HOPKINS, RANSOMS. AS FAR AS I KNOW OUR FAMILIES CAME OVER TO ELLIS ISLAND AND THEN CAME TO FRESNO, CA. IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFORMATION ABOUT OUR FAMILY ROOTS IN ENGLAND PLEASE E MAIL ME. I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANKS. MARTY RAISKUP DRAISKUP@EARTHLINK.NET

--- Don Raiskup
--- draiskup@earthlink.net
--- EarthLink: It's your Internet.		09/07/2001 9:44:03
Flowerdew Hundred Modern LocationAlbert TimsFolks,

Seems like this is Flowerdew Hundred week :-). In addition to Diana Diamond's terrific new post alerting us to the image archive and surveys at the LVA, I've just posted a new image file showing the modern location of the Flowerdew Hundred Windmill. As many of you know, this is a replica (enlarged, I believe) of the first windmill in America built on this property. I was told that the original windmill was closer to the river than the replica now in operation.

The image is an aerial photo of the Flowerdew plantation from the USGS, a zoomed in aerial of the windmill (I found it in the image because of the shadow cast by the arms of the windmill) and a recent photo of the actual windmill. The photo shows the James River and the existing structures and roadways.

If you want to bypass the web homepage and just take a quick look at the image simply link directly to
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/airmap.jpg

Best,
Al Tims




09/07/2001 9:59:35
Re: HesterDebbie, you rascal, you see what happens when we get off list.....we
inevitably deny ourselves the advantage of having multiple folks working on a
question and instead only have one person working on the question. Go....and
let's both sin no more, plueese.

Barb ET AL here's the thread:

I had reversed a couple of dates on her people in that Screven County
Cemeteries document and Debbie had asked if I was just "testing" her.

I said no 'mam, I just mixed 'em up and it's now corrected.

She then asked about some resources for getting to North Newinton Baptist
Church
where William E. Poythress and wife Martha are buried.

I gave her phone # etc.

Then she commented to the effect that it sure did look sensible to her to at
least ask about linking this William E. to the William (18 yrs. old) who was
oldest "child" living with Hester Poythress in the 1850 census.

That jolted me because I had just never studied it hard enough and the more I
looked the better "it" looked.

I then said
>Fret no more about this lady.  I must have a ton of paper on her which you
>have motivated me to sit down and put into a sensible form.  Give me a few
>days would you?    And if you are descended from her you are also descended
>from her husband Meredith Poythress, Sr. which is where I'm guessing you
>got the Poythress name if that is your line.

I then said
Oh, I'm sure we are related and I but I only THINK I know how.  I speculate
that John White Poythress, second son of Meredith Poythress, Sr. and Hester
Wilder Mock
led his whole bunch down to the Southern half of Screven.  Only a guess but I
can account for him down there and I can't account for anybody else down
there prior to him getting there.  A slender reed to be leaning on but a reed
never-the-less.  

Then:
Subj: Hester
Date: 9/7/01
To: poythress-l@rootsweb.com
Debbie.......Hot Ziggedy!  Now I see where you are going and it never
occurred to me.  I guess I wasn't paying attention.  Sorry.

If you are right Deb, and I think you are but it's just now dawning on me,
you are putting together highly likely linkage for Bud Poythress, yourself,
Christine Poythress, and even that crowd of South Carolinians of Bud's friend
Doris Poythress and the Evans' Screven connection is confirmed once again but
that one was never  much in doubt anyway.

You are placing William Poythress as the son of Hester Poythress in the 1850
Screven census at age 18 to be the same William E. Poythress m. (7 Dec 1857)
Martha J.  ______ .  We have a complete CSA service and pension record on
William E. and subsequent widow Martha that is helpful in this.

We don't exactly have a picture of William E. and Martha and Hester (in
beige, mother of the groom) all standing at the N. Newington Baptist Church
altar but we have just about everything else.  I have only one tiny troubling
fact which is that William E. is shown in one place (undocumented) as "b.
VA."  However, he is ALSO documented showing "b. S.C." (census) and "b. Ga."
(pension application).  I think S. C. may likely be correct but that one
doesn't much matter so let's proceed admitting the small worry of the "VA"
matter.

A point is that by the time William E. Poythress is doing any "testifying" on
his own behalf he gives 3 different birth dates (all within 1 to 2 years of
the 1850 census-
derived ages which would have been fine even if he wasn't 75 years old when
he was testifying. But who was keeping score in those days anyway?).  I think
it is significant that he never varies from the birth "date" of July 11 in
any of half dozen records and that is the date on his grave in N. Newington
Baptist Church where he is buried with wife Martha J.

As for pensions, remember, CSA pensions were STATE pensions.  Even if William
E. was born in S. C. (which he could easily have been) or even VA, he is
likely "motivated" to "claim" born "Ga." for a "Ga." pension although
technically it wouldn't have denied him pension eligibilty since he served in
a Georgia unit. With a lack of substantiated records, states were taking a
critical view as the claims mounted. In a couple of other places (on the
applications) the answers to the birthplace question for William E. are
(slyly?) left blank on the pension papers.

I'm a bit shaky here but I believe one of the several children of William E.
and Martha
J. Poythress was J. Warren Poythress m. Louisianna Hortense Lucas on 11 Jan
1892 (Lucas b. 27 Apr 1870, d. 19 Sep 1969).  We have a J. Warren Poythress
working at S. Guckenheimer and Sons as a "clk." at 202 State St. in Savannah
in 1891.  That might ring a bell for Christine Poythress in Nashville.

So, if all of these people on the listserver (and maybe others) are descended
from Hester Poythress they are also descended from husband Meredith Poythress
and Thomas Poythress of Brunswick/Dinwiddie Counties, Virginia.

Hester has been worrisome to us all along, the principle questions being:

1) was "Hester" one lady or two as appear in the records, census and
otherwise?

2) if she is one in the same lady, did she marry second Meredith Poythress,
Sr. or
   Meredith Poythress, Jr.?  This is an issue Bud and I have tussled with
from time
   to time.  It's not a matter of huge importance but it does put Hester's
   descendants in one generation or the other which I suppose is only a
matter of
   plugging the right name(s) into one's chart.

3. If Hester is one lady, then who were William and the other minor children
in the   
   Screven1850 Census with Hester as head of household ?  William (18) b. at
   Hester's age 37 (?) is a possible as a son but Mary A. (14), Lucy M. (9)
and Jane
   (5) would seem to be getting out there a ways.

I'll be working on a time line for the "one or two" Hesters which seems the
best way to get a bead on her/them.  If she is indeed one lady, she lead a
hugely complicated life and a personal time line would seem to get at it best.

For the process, any contributions appreciated.

Maynard

Now.....up to speed.....maybe I'm making to much of this. What do the two
Williams have in common: same name, same birth date (roughly), same
descendency from Hester and Meredith, and both have SC "connections". I
guess that's a start. We've started with a lot less.

For working on a time line for Hester I'll take all the help I can get but it
might be better to just wait and critique my time line since I believe I have
accumulated just about everything about Hester that went on by way of
conversations on the list server over the past few years.

Sorry to have left you all out of the loop on this one.

Maynard		09/07/2001 12:18:30
POYTHRESS family/Gloucester,Eng/late1500's/early1600'sIn a message dated 01-09-07 23:52:57 EDT, you write:

<< Subj: Maps of Our Ancestors from the British Isles
Date: 01-09-07 23:52:57 EDT
From: DiamondDPC@erols.com (Diana Diamond)
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

With all our discussions of Albion's Seed a few weeks ago, I wanted to share
one of my favorite England sources for maps of the Tudor period.
Gloucester, believed to be Francis Poythress's birthplace, borders on the
south of Wales.

Diana
>>

Dear Diana,

Regarding Francis POYTHRESS being born in Gloucester, do you happen to show
any association with a SYMONS/SYMONDS family there in the early 1600's by any
chance?

My paternal 8th great grandmother, Mary SYMONDS/SYMONS, born: abt. 1617 in
Gloucestershire, England, (parents: ??,) (probably had a brother named
Francis SYMONDS/SYMONS who immigrated in 1649 from England to Maryland and
then into Virginia with Mary SYMONDS/SYMONS husband, (Sir) John EARLE, born:
abt. 1612 in Nye, Wynscombe, England, (abt. 10 years after others from their
SYMONS/SYMONDS family immigrated in abt. 1639,) my paternal 8th great
grandfather, (md: 2nd wife, Mrs. Elizabeth ? CAUSEY HOWELL EARLE CLEMENT.)

(Sir) John EARLE and Mary SYMONS/SYMONS were the parents of Samuel EARLE, I,
(md: wife # 1, Bridget HALE, (thought to be the daughter of Thomas HALE,)
and md: wife # 2: Matilda ALLERTON, (md: husb. # 2: William RUST and husb.
# 3: John BENNETT, (father of Phillis BENNETT who married Samuel EARLE, II,
(from whom I descend,) and the aforementioned Samuel EARLE, I, (my paternal
7th great grandfather,) owned land adjoining Augustine WARNER and Samuel
EARLE, I also was the land grant partner of my maternal 11th great
grandfather, (Major) John STITH, (husband of Mrs. Jane MOSEBY (GREGORY)
(PARSONS,) and father of Agnes STITH who married Thomas WYNNE, (son of (Col.)
Robert WYNNE and Mrs. Mary ?/SLOMAN? (POYTHRESS,) (widow of Francis
POYTHRESS.)

It would seem quite probable that there might have been a family association
between the SYMONS/SYMONDS family of Mrs. Mary SYMONS/SYMONDS (EARLE,) and
the POYTHRESS family of Francis POYTHRESS in late 1500's and early 1600's
Gloucestershire, England.

Looking forward to hearing from you regarding the above.

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Bellinda Myrick - Barnett
BandB4951@aol.com		09/10/2001 3:32:26
GOD BLESS AMERICA, words to songGod Bless America

Melody - Irving Berlin, 1918; revised 1938

Irving Berlin, 1918; revised 1938

Intro (spoken):
While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer.

|: God bless America, land that I love
Stand beside her and guide her
Through the night with the light from above
From the mountains
To the prairies,
To the ocean white with foam
God bless America,
My home sweet home. 😐

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

--
The original version of was written during the summer of 1918 at Camp Upton,
located in Yaphank, Long Island, for Yip, Yip, Yaphank. He never used the
song and it remained tucked away until 1938.
In the fall of 1938, Berlin decided to write a song about peace. He recalled
his "God Bless America" from twenty years earlier, altered parts to update
popular sentiment, and was introduced to the world on November, 11, 1938, by
Kate Smith.		09/11/2001 3:25:22
Sharing and HealingAlbert TimsPoythress List,

I've been asked to share the following message with our list. I'm pleased to do so.

Best,
Al Tims
Poythress List Administrator

Hello Board and List Administrators,


Because of the catastrophe that happened in the United States Tuesday,
11 Sept., 2001, MyFamily.com (RootsWeb.com and Ancestry.com) has
created a special Message Board for those who wish to express or share
condolences, sorrow, prayers, and thoughts for the victims, their
families and friends.

However, this is not a board for discussion on how the U.S. should
resolve this issue or about how the search for those responsible is
going.

The URL for the board is


Please join us in sharing this message board with your posters. Let
the healing continue ...
--

Vicki Lindsay Thauvin
RootsWeb Content Team Manager
vicki@rootsweb.com		09/15/2001 2:13:37
What 13 folds of the flag meanPainterWHY THE AMERICAN FLAG IS FOLDED 13 TIMES
Have you ever wondered why the flag of the United
States of America is folded 13 times when it is
lowered or when it is folded and handed to the widow
at the burial of a veteran?
Here is the meaning of each of those folds and what it means to you.

The 'first fold' of our flag is a symbol of life.
The 'second fold' is a symbol of our belief in eternal
life.
The 'third fold' is made in honor and remembrance of
the veterans departing our ranks who gave a portion of
their lives for the defense of our country to attain
peace throughout the world.
The 'fourth fold' represents our weaker nature, for as
American citizens;trusting in God, it is to Him we
turn
in times of peace as well as in time of war for His
divine guidance.
The 'fifth fold' is a tribute to our country, for in
the words of Stephen Decatur, "Our Country, in
dealing with other countries may she always be right;
but it is still our country, right or wrong."
The 'sixth fold' is for where our hearts lie. It is
with our heart that we pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States Of America,and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God,indivisible,
with Liberty and Justice for all.
The 'seventh fold' is a tribute to our Armed Forces,
for it is through the Armed Forces that we protect our
country and our flag against all her enemies, whether
they be found within or without the boundaries of our
republic.
The 'eighth fold' is a tribute to the one who entered
into the valley of the shadow of death, that we might
see the light of day, and to honor mother, for whom it
flies on Mother's Day.
The 'ninth fold' is a tribute to womanhood; for it has
been through their faith, their love, loyalty and
devotion that the character of the men and women who
have made this country great has been molded.
The 'tenth fold' is a tribute to the father, for he,
too, has given his sons and daughters for the defense
of our country since they were first born.
The 'eleventh fold', in the eyes of a Hebrew citizen
represents the lower portion of the seal of King
David and King Solomon, and glorifies in their eyes,
the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
The 'twelfth fold', in the eyes of a Christian
citizen, represents an emblem of eternity and
glorifies, in their eyes, God the Father, the Son, and
Holy Spirit.
When the flag is completely folded, the stars are
uppermost reminding us of our nation's motto, "In God
We Trust".
After the flag is completely folded and tucked in, it
takes on the appearance of a cocked hat, ever
reminding us of the soldiers who served under General
George Washington, and the sailors and marines who
served under Captain John Paul Jones, who were
followed by their comrades and shipmates in the Armed
Forces of the United States, preserving for us the
rights, privileges, and freedoms we enjoy today.
The next time you see a flag ceremony honoring someone
that has served our country, either in the Armed
Forces
or in our civilian services such as the Police Force
or
Fire Department, keep in mind all the important
reasons behind each and every movement. They have paid
the ultimate sacrifice for all of us by honoring our
flag and our Country.		09/16/2001 3:16:24
This is something!Lou PooleWe've all seen enough horrible pictures in the last few days to last a
lifetime. And the wires have been burning with sentiments -- many trite
and some "cute." But I think you will find this site has something
different and very inspiring. Just be patient; it's getting a lot of
"hits."

http://home.covad.net/~georgelsjr/Tribute/world_mourns_1.htm

Lou		09/16/2001 11:37:37
Patriotic Slide ShowDiana DiamondWorth a Visit. You may have to hit refresh a few times to actually get the
site. It's busy.

http://www.doubtlessdesigns.net/

Diana



09/20/2001 8:58:35
Parents & Grandparents of Horace Cullen Poythress & wife Flossie O. WellsWilliam C ReevesGood Morning to all

My name is William (Bill) C. Reeves. I am a descendant of the Austin family. Charles (Charlie) Austin married Mattie Eva Poythress. I would like all info I can get on Horace Cullen Poythress and Flossie O. Wells, the parents of Mattie Eva Poythress and her grandparents. Any and all help would greatly appreciated by me. Will to share all my Austin to any family member including some old photos. God Bless to all of u. Bill Reeves



09/25/2001 5:51:53
Variant SpellingsAs most of you know, I have been pretty much on the side of ignoring variants
that didn't seem to make any logical sense in terms of phonetics or anything
else. And I suppose I've been something of a hard case on the matter.

Something to muse on: my son has recently moved from Atlanta to Louisville
and I was at his house for dinner last night. As I sat in his den and ran my
eyes over the ends of eight identically sized (unpacked) moving boxes all
with his name printed in magic marker, slowly sipping my glass of whatever,
what to my wondering eyes should appear but the surname on each, reading:

Boythress
Boythess
Poyimz
Poythess
Boythres
Poythess
Poythe
Boyther.......

These guys had 8 shots and missed them all. I copied them all down and came
belatedly to questionable wisdom:

First, is it likely that the "casual" day laborer of colonial times was any
more or less literate than the casual day laborer of our time. Gee, who
knows?

Well, yes, I suppose he or she in colonial times should be less literate
because after all, we do have some form of modern universal education system
in place now that was NOT in place in colonial times. And in addition, the
colonial system was likely structured to "accomodate" a lot of people who
couldn't read (which was the vast majority of them) and hence, the paid
"clerks" did all the reading and writing. So should one expect a ridiculous
number of variants in spelling in colonial times? Probably not.....if those
guys actually hired out as being "able to write."

So, if today's movers presumably have the benefit of public education what
does this say about present day public education? Or does it say anything?
Or does it help to make the argument for school vouchers to leverage the bad
schools out of business? As Diana says, I do have a way of rationalizing
myself to what was a preheld notion anyway. For all I know, these guys just
didn't give a hoot about spelling; after all, the eight boxes all got to the
correct destination, didn't they? So do they have some obligation to conform
to my idea of literacy? Nah. No way.

In any case, I will be reluctant to reject just about anything that is
submitted to as a "variant spelling" in the future.

Maynard		09/26/2001 4:15:09
"Orphans of"In this month's issue of Georgia Genealogy Magazine was a newly found list of
Georgia Land Lottery winners in Columbia County.....the list had been
misplaced for a couple of centuries.

Couple of interesting observations that might help if anyone is digging in
this source in the future:

1) Orphans of John Doe.....were universally listed under the "O's" and not
the initial
of the deceased parent.

2) The proliferation of "Orphans of" in the listing suggests what is already
known:
all the "qualified to draw" who listed themselves as "Orphans of" were
not always
on the up and up; plus, a lot of politics entered the scenario.

Maynard		10/02/2001 7:30:22
More about GedcomsDiana DiamondA few months ago, we discussed the Poythress list members sharing gedcoms.

I am happy to work with any of you who might like to create a small visual
chart from your information or gedcom. Perhaps Al would like to post some
of these on line?

However, for the really ambitious and organized ones among us, I want to
share one source of large charts you can purchase on line at ancestry.com.
I haven't tried it yet myself. If anyone has or has another source of large
(24'X36' in this case) chart, I'd be interested in hearing about it. I find
it a bit frustrating that the price of these charts (smaller ones are
available) is not readily apparent.


Creating a gedcom

http://www.ancestry.com/oft2000/gedhelp.asp


Using your gedcom to create a large chart

http://www.ancestry.com/oft/hft/HFTLandPage.asp

Diana		10/05/2001 4:22:37
Neat siteBut you really have to work at it:

Greetings All!

I've put up a page with some Prince George County History information
and some sources of information about historic sites. More will be added
later on. While it is oriented more toward history than genealogy, there
might be something there of interest to genealogists too.

Take a look at

http://www.rootsweb.com/~vavfar/index1pg.html
Good hunting!

--
Eve S. Gregory, Director
Virginia Foundation for Archaeological Research, Inc.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~vavfar/index.html


Maynard		10/13/2001 12:22:57
Screven List PostDate: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:03:24 -0400
From: Nancy Gay Crawford
To: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com
Message-id: <5.0.2.1.0.20011018110103.00a76e30@planters.net>
Subject: [GASCREVE] Gay/Poythress Marriage

Can anyone help with the descendants of this union and dates
of birth, death and marriage?  Thanks, Nancy

Frances M.3 Gay, born 1854; died Unknown.  She married Chalrie
Poythress.  She is buried in Oak Hill Cemetery, Millen, Jenkins Co.,
GA

Nancy: by copy of this one to the Poythress listserver I'm asking Bud
Poythress or anyone else) to see if we can do anything with this one. My
crowd of Poythresses pretty much stayed around that 34th Militia District in
Screven County but it is my impression that some of Bud's folks drifted over
into Jenkins County (where they put that vile mustard sauce on their barbeque
) and Bud has a dab of information on some of these people. In fact, I
think that very Oak Hill cemetery was one that Bud inventoried with me along
one August day when we were writin' and blowin' gnats.

Bud, would you reply to Nancy and let her know if you have a bead on this
Charlie
Poythress? Many thanks.

Maynard

(John M. Poythress)		10/20/2001 5:14:46
Heritage BooksPat J. Autry I believe there have been some negative comments before
regarding Heritage Books on this Surname List. Since a County List that
I have subscribed to is touting sending information to them, I'd like to
hear what anybody has to say about them.
Thanks, Pat Autry



10/22/2001 3:19:44
Address ChangeJean and I are moving three or four whole blocks to a one story house on
11/1. New address will be 15 Glenwood Road, Louisville, KY 40222.

Phone # remains the same: 502-425-4361

e-mail remains the same: vkratliff@aol.com.

Best to you all,

Maynard		10/22/2001 3:56:49
Ancestry Data BaseThis week's issue of Ancestry's weekly news letter gives an address through
which one may access many of Ancestry's complete databases. One can spend a
year
chasing all the Poythresses listed. This thing should not be "oversold", it
is that complilation of submissions by various researchers and is only as
good as the researcher who submitted it.

The address is below if you want to poke about in there:

http://www.ancestry.com/search/locality/main.htm?lfl=sln?uk


Also, as I move to a new house I'll be shutting down over the weekend and
probably be back up towards the end of next week.

Best,

Maynard







10/26/2001 4:06:11
Another place to searchKoscheskithis was on the ancestry email in case anyone missed it. Thought it might be helpful to some. Patti
LATER MILITARY ENTRIES FOUND IN CIVIL WAR PENSION INDEX

My grandmother's family all lived in southeastern Pennsylvania
during the Civil War, so although her grandfathers would have been a
little too old and her father too young to be soldiers, it seemed
that checking the Civil War Pension Index for my surnames would still
be a good idea. I was surprised to find her father, James Fraley
GOERKE, listed in the Index. He had not served in the Civil War, but
his record showed service in 1896-98 (Infantry) and again in 1917-20
(Navy). I don't know what he was doing on the Civil War Index, but I
thought that others might want to check for their "too young" great-
grandfathers as well. You might get lucky!

Kary Nelson
Fort Collins, CO

Ancestry.com Data Subscribers can access the Civil War Pension Index
at: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/military/cwpi/main.htm		10/29/2001 2:43:55
Re: Another place to searchWillow Bend Books - Craig R. ScottThis happened because Ancestry does not know what it is dealing with. The
actual title of the series of records is "General Index to Pension Files,
1861-1934". It covers not only the Civil War but the Spanish-American War,
Philipine Insurrection, Boxer Rebellion and the Regulars. WWI is not well
represented because the Veterans Administration (now Bureau of Veterans
Affairs) took the disability system over during WWI.

Looking for connections for William Poythress, 12th Virginia Infantry, died
Point Lookout, Maryland and William Poythress, 12th Va. Artillery Battn.,
CSA pension, resided Petersburg.

Looking for connections for William D. Poythress who married Louisa O.
Taylor.

Craig

Craig R. Scott, CGRS
Willow Bend Books
65 East Main Street
Westminster, MD 21157-5026

www.WillowBendBooks.com
WillowBend@willowbend.net


----- Original Message -----
From: "Koscheski"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:43 AM
Subject: Another place to search


> this was on the ancestry email in case anyone missed it. Thought it might
be helpful to some. Patti
> LATER MILITARY ENTRIES FOUND IN CIVIL WAR PENSION INDEX
>
> My grandmother's family all lived in southeastern Pennsylvania
> during the Civil War, so although her grandfathers would have been a
> little too old and her father too young to be soldiers, it seemed
> that checking the Civil War Pension Index for my surnames would still
> be a good idea. I was surprised to find her father, James Fraley
> GOERKE, listed in the Index. He had not served in the Civil War, but
> his record showed service in 1896-98 (Infantry) and again in 1917-20
> (Navy). I don't know what he was doing on the Civil War Index, but I
> thought that others might want to check for their "too young" great-
> grandfathers as well. You might get lucky!
>
> Kary Nelson
> Fort Collins, CO
>
> Ancestry.com Data Subscribers can access the Civil War Pension Index
> at: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/military/cwpi/main.htm
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Geneaology Research Web
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
>		10/30/2001 2:02:20
Re: Another place to searchThanks, Patti, for passing this along and thank, Craig, for the
explanation. It's so easy for me to forget to read web materials with a
VERY CRITICAL eye. After all, "it's in writing!" 🙂

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com
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10/31/2001 1:24:31
MECKLENBURG Census 1850 PoythressDiana DiamondSee
http://www.rootsweb.com/~vameckle/1850ix1.htm

For INDEX TO 1850 FEDERAL CENSUS - MECKLENBURG CO., VA

POYLTHRESS, Frances, 3 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Alzernon, 6 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Catherine, 45 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Catherine, 13 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Charles, 1 57 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, David, 44 56b 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Edward, 52 63 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, George, 9 56b 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, George, 12 63 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Harriett, 16 63 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, James, 17 56b 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, James, 45 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Joshua, 21 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Lucy, 25 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Mahala, 47 63 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Mary, 14 56b 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Nathan, 19 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Penelope, 9 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Rebecca, 11 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Sally, 32 56b 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Sarah A., 47 63 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Thomas, 35 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Virinda, 4 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, William, 16 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, William, 5 62 98th Reg
POYTJRESS, Wm., 4 59b 98th Reg		11/07/2001 1:18:03
Prince George Tax ListsDiana DiamondSome of this looks familiar, but not the actual images available at this
site. Many Poythresses and related families.

It takes a few links to get to actual images, but it is worth the effort.
If this is a repeat, my apologies.

Diana


http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~vataxlists/PrinceGeorge/



11/08/2001 1:38:29
MECKLENBURG Census 1850 PoythressCharles NealDiana & all,

The indexed listing of the 1850 Mecklenburg County Poythress folks,
alphabetically, certainly points out how the same first names show up
repeatedly, doesn't it? For those researchers wanting to see these
Mecklenburg Co folks in families, as well as folks in many other counties &
other censuses, just go to our current Poythress Research website:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
and click on "Censuses" on the left side of the page.

There you'll find all of these below, and many others. (& I would point
out that in addition to a few misspellings in the below list, there is one
typo of a different nature: Sarah A Poythress was actually listed as being
age 18, not 47. She is listed on the Census immediately below Mahala
(probably her mother, I guess) who was indeed shown as being age 47.

Happy researching, folks.
BPN
= = = = =

Diana's earlier message:
See http://www.rootsweb.com/~vameckle/1850ix1.htm

For INDEX TO 1850 FEDERAL CENSUS - MECKLENBURG CO., VA

POYLTHRESS, Frances, 3 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Alzernon, 6 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Catherine, 45 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Catherine, 13 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Charles, 1 57 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, David, 44 56b 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Edward, 52 63 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, George, 9 56b 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, George, 12 63 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Harriett, 16 63 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, James, 17 56b 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, James, 45 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Joshua, 21 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Lucy, 25 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Mahala, 47 63 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Mary, 14 56b 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Nathan, 19 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Penelope, 9 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Rebecca, 11 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Sally, 32 56b 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Sarah A., 47 63 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Thomas, 35 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, Virinda, 4 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, William, 16 62 98th Reg
POYTHRESS, William, 5 62 98th Reg
POYTJRESS, Wm., 4 59b 98th Reg		11/08/2001 2:08:00
Elizabeth Poythress (1714-1788)Randy JonesDid Elizabeth Poythress (1714-1788), daughter of
Robert Poythress and Elizabeth, marry John Gilliam
(b.c.1712 d.1772) of "Spring Hill", Prince George Co.,
VA?

If so, was she the mother of his son John Gilliam
(1742-1801), or was his other wife Ann Bathurst the
mother? Batte's cardfiles indicate the mother was
Bathurst, but a researcher I've recently been in touch
with indicates that his mother was Elizabeth
Poythress.

-- Randy Jones


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Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals
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Re: MECKLENBURG Census 1850 PoythressWillow Bend Books - Craig R. ScottMy assumption is that the list reads:

Name, Age, Page Number, District

I can't find my copy of Guide to Militia Units in the War of 1812. But I
would bet a nickel that one of the Militia Regiments in the War of 1812 from
Mecklenburg was the 98th Regiment of Virginia Militia. So this would be the
area from which said unit would be raised. Since this is the 1850 census the
word Confederate is not part of the equation.

Craig


----- Original Message -----
From: "Koscheski"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 8:25 PM
Subject: Fw: MECKLENBURG Census 1850 Poythress


> Diana suggested I poll the list regarding my question as to what the
number
> in the middle column means... so here goes. As in the Alzernon reference
and
> the number after what appears to be his age [6] is the number 62. then a
> regiment number... I presume that means the Confederate regiment the
father
> [of a 6 yr old would be in] the regiment would obviously not be of the 6
yr
> old
> Subject: Re: MECKLENBURG Census 1850 Poythress
> is the number after the age the page number on that census or just
> > what? I am just learning to use the census information. Patti
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Diana Diamond"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 5:18 PM
> > Subject: MECKLENBURG Census 1850 Poythress
> >
> >
> > > See
> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vameckle/1850ix1.htm
> > >
> > > For INDEX TO 1850 FEDERAL CENSUS - MECKLENBURG CO., VA
> > >
> > > POYLTHRESS, Frances, 3 62 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Alzernon, 6 62 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Catherine, 45 62 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Catherine, 13 62 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Charles, 1 57 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, David, 44 56b 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Edward, 52 63 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, George, 9 56b 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, George, 12 63 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Harriett, 16 63 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, James, 17 56b 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, James, 45 62 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Joshua, 21 62 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Lucy, 25 62 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Mahala, 47 63 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Mary, 14 56b 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Nathan, 19 62 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Penelope, 9 62 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Rebecca, 11 62 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Sally, 32 56b 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Sarah A., 47 63 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Thomas, 35 62 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, Virinda, 4 62 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, William, 16 62 98th Reg
> > > POYTHRESS, William, 5 62 98th Reg
> > > POYTJRESS, Wm., 4 59b 98th Reg
> > >
> > >
> > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> > > Poythress Geneaology Research Web
> > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
> > >
> >
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Geneaology Research Web
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
>		11/13/2001 2:12:03
Re: MECKLENBURG Census 1850 PoythressPat J. AutryDon't know for a fact but agree with Craig that the number is the "household
number". Whoever put this message together listed the individuals
alphabetically rather than by the order on which they appeared on the census
page.

Also in looking at the 1850 census, I've seen where areas or districts of
counties are listed as "xxth Regiment".

Pat Autry

"Willow Bend Books - Craig R. Scott" wrote:

> My assumption is that the list reads:
>
> Name, Age, Page Number, District
>
> I can't find my copy of Guide to Militia Units in the War of 1812. But I
> would bet a nickel that one of the Militia Regiments in the War of 1812 from
> Mecklenburg was the 98th Regiment of Virginia Militia. So this would be the
> area from which said unit would be raised. Since this is the 1850 census the
> word Confederate is not part of the equation.
>
> Craig
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Koscheski"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 8:25 PM
> Subject: Fw: MECKLENBURG Census 1850 Poythress
>
> > Diana suggested I poll the list regarding my question as to what the
> number
> > in the middle column means... so here goes. As in the Alzernon reference
> and
> > the number after what appears to be his age [6] is the number 62. then a
> > regiment number... I presume that means the Confederate regiment the
> father
> > [of a 6 yr old would be in] the regiment would obviously not be of the 6
> yr
> > old
> > Subject: Re: MECKLENBURG Census 1850 Poythress
> > is the number after the age the page number on that census or just
> > > what? I am just learning to use the census information. Patti
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Diana Diamond"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 5:18 PM
> > > Subject: MECKLENBURG Census 1850 Poythress
> > >
> > >
> > > > See
> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vameckle/1850ix1.htm
> > > >
> > > > For INDEX TO 1850 FEDERAL CENSUS - MECKLENBURG CO., VA
> > > >
> > > > POYLTHRESS, Frances, 3 62 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Alzernon, 6 62 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Catherine, 45 62 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Catherine, 13 62 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Charles, 1 57 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, David, 44 56b 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Edward, 52 63 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, George, 9 56b 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, George, 12 63 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Harriett, 16 63 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, James, 17 56b 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, James, 45 62 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Joshua, 21 62 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Lucy, 25 62 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Mahala, 47 63 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Mary, 14 56b 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Nathan, 19 62 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Penelope, 9 62 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Rebecca, 11 62 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Sally, 32 56b 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Sarah A., 47 63 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Thomas, 35 62 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, Virinda, 4 62 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, William, 16 62 98th Reg
> > > > POYTHRESS, William, 5 62 98th Reg
> > > > POYTJRESS, Wm., 4 59b 98th Reg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> > > > Poythress Geneaology Research Web
> > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> > Poythress Geneaology Research Web
> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
> >
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Geneaology Research Web
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		11/13/2001 2:29:20
Re: MECKLENBURG Census 1850 PoythressCharles NealThat other number indeed is the page number, folks, as that particular
indexer did it. And the reason some of the pages have a "b" after them, is
that only every other page has a number actually on it, so the ones in
between are listed by the indexer as "b" -- so pages go, for example:
56
56b
57
57b
58
58b
etc. The microfilm of that census which I have seen shows various numbers
at the tops of the pages: some numbers stamped on, others handwritten.
Family households, of course, can spill over from one page to the next,
depending on how low on the page the household starts. Also, "Algernon" is
the correct spelling; it was mistyped in the indexing process.
Cheers,
BPN		11/13/2001 6:56:33
Fw: MECKLENBURG Census 1850 PoythressKoscheskiDiana suggested I poll the list regarding my question as to what the number
in the middle column means... so here goes. As in the Alzernon reference and
the number after what appears to be his age [6] is the number 62. then a
regiment number... I presume that means the Confederate regiment the father
[of a 6 yr old would be in] the regiment would obviously not be of the 6 yr
old
Subject: Re: MECKLENBURG Census 1850 Poythress
is the number after the age the page number on that census or just
> what? I am just learning to use the census information. Patti
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Diana Diamond"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 5:18 PM
> Subject: MECKLENBURG Census 1850 Poythress
>
>
> > See
> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vameckle/1850ix1.htm
> >
> > For INDEX TO 1850 FEDERAL CENSUS - MECKLENBURG CO., VA
> >
> > POYLTHRESS, Frances, 3 62 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Alzernon, 6 62 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Catherine, 45 62 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Catherine, 13 62 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Charles, 1 57 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, David, 44 56b 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Edward, 52 63 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, George, 9 56b 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, George, 12 63 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Harriett, 16 63 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, James, 17 56b 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, James, 45 62 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Joshua, 21 62 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Lucy, 25 62 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Mahala, 47 63 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Mary, 14 56b 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Nathan, 19 62 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Penelope, 9 62 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Rebecca, 11 62 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Sally, 32 56b 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Sarah A., 47 63 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Thomas, 35 62 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, Virinda, 4 62 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, William, 16 62 98th Reg
> > POYTHRESS, William, 5 62 98th Reg
> > POYTJRESS, Wm., 4 59b 98th Reg
> >
> >
> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> > Poythress Geneaology Research Web
> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
> >
>		11/13/2001 10:25:00
Algernon SidneyDiana DiamondAlso, "Algernon" is
the correct spelling; it was mistyped in the indexing process.
Cheers,
BPN


------

I have found it curious how often Algernon Sidney is used as name in
America. In my surname family, the name Sidney persisted for many
generations. In other families it is Algernon that persists.

Perhaps, someone of you historians can shed more light on this phenomenon
which seems to be begin in the 19th Century. The web sites below gives a
hint.

http://www.constitution.org/as/foreword.htm

http://www.bartleby.com/100/185.html

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch3s1.html

Diana		11/14/2001 2:07:58
Website for Politicians in your family treeDiana DiamondThis is a neat site to find information about politicians in your family
tree. Since Virginia has many of these perhaps this could be of some help
to you.

While I don't find the Poythress name per se, I do find some of the
descendants of Francis Poythress and a listing many of Virginia cemeteries.

Diana


http://politicalgraveyard.com/index.html



11/28/2001 4:15:04
Baaack!Hi, folks, it's Maynard.

Am back on line after struggling with BellSouth to get DSL service. The
start-up/set-up was a royal pain but ultimately (so far) worth it all. I
highly recommend it. No waiting, you're there almost the second you hit the
last key.

If you are presently using AOL or another ISP AND are paying for a second
line to avoid tying up your "real" phone line, and IF you are within 17,000
feet of one of the phone company's magic boxes, you can get into the DSL
business with the following implications that I survived.

GOOD
The money is a push. DSL typically around $50 a month. If you currently have
a
"content" ISP (a la AOL) you can drop him (about $23 bucks) and drop your
second line (about 25 bucks).

When they say 50 times faster I believe they are understating it. It's seems
really faster.

A Symantec (Norton) firewall comes free with the package (or at least it does
with BellSouth.

BAD
If you are using a "content" ISP (a la AOL) you have to give up the training
wheels and build your own start up page using pieces from, for example,
Yahoo!

Its a bear (or it was for me) to get the thing hooked up.....I'm told that is
not untypical...maybe a week of intermittant time on line while the RBOC (or
whomever) gets all their line problems straight.

This is not a persistent "bad" but you can't receive any faster than the
sender is sending. So, if you're working with some guy or gal with a 24M
modem, you can only receive at 24M.


I usually confess up front that I know just enough about the technology to be
dangerous so if I have misspoke I trust Lyn or one of our techies willl
correct me.

Best to all,

Maynard		12/03/2001 7:21:40
Wm. PoythressPat J. AutryCan someone tell me when the Wm Poythress in Virginia that was married
to a Julia in the mid 1800s died?

I'm trying to figure if there were two Wm Poythress that were married to
a Julia in the 1840-1880 time frame.

If they also have DOB for Wm and DOB & DOD for Julia, it would help.

Pat Autry		12/09/2001 9:27:00
Freed African-AmericansD. DiamondThis is an excerpt from the site below. There is also a section on the
PORTIS FAMILY.

http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/Pettiford_Ridley.htm
For a list of Virginia families in this group:
http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/Virginia_NC.htm

POYTHRESS FAMILY

1. Odam Poythress, born about 1755, purchased 50 acres adjoining Peter
Nowles and James Sexton in Northampton County, North Carolina, on 3 December
1777, and he and his wife Sele sold this land two years later on 23 August
1779 [6:237, 351]. He was head of a Northampton County household of 4 free
males and 4 free females in Captain Williams' District in 1786 for the state
census, 9 "other free" in 1790 [NC:72], 12 in 1800 [NC:469], and 10 in 1810
[NC:742]. He purchased 100 acres on Jack Swamp on 9 February 1785 [DB
10:51]. Administration of his estate was granted John Sandifer on 3 December
1817 on a bond of 1,000 pounds [Minutes 1813-21, 68]. His children were
probably

i. Thomas, who paid money to the Northampton County estate of Robert Crow
between January and March 1801 [Gammon, Record of Estates, Northampton
County, I:120].

ii. Littleberry, who sold land in Northampton County in 1819, two years
after Odam's death.

iii. Francis, who gave Littleberry his power of attorney in Northampton
County Court on 9 June 1819 [Minutes 1813-21, 177].



2. Hardimon Poythress, born about 1757, was head of a Northampton County
household of 3 free males and 2 free females in Captain Williams' District
of the state census and 5 "other free" in 1790 [NC:72]. He died before 7
March 1796 when Jesse Mitchell was granted administration on his estate by
the Northampton County Court on only 50 pounds bond [Minutes 1792-96, 219].
Temperance Poythress, head of a Northampton County household of 6 "other
free" in 1800 [NC:471], was most likely his wife. Their children were
probably

i. Odam, Jr., who died before 4 March 1817 when his next of kin, John
Poythress, was required to show cause why administration on his estate
should not be granted to the greatest creditor [Minutes 1792-96, 7].

ii. John, whose estate administration was granted Hardimon Poythress in
Northampton County Court on a bond of 50 pounds [Minutes 1792-6, 18].



Other descendants were

i. "Sterling and Lucy Poltress, children of color," bound apprentices to
Ransom Sherrin in Halifax County on 15 February 1824.

ii. Sebastian and Frances Portres, (paupers) bound out on 4 March 1824 by
the Northampton County Court [Minutes 1821-25, 373].		12/10/2001 7:03:44
Obit from Richmond Times DispatchPOYTHRESS
Foxhall Alexander "F.A." Poythress, 77, of Mechanicsville, passed away
October 31, 2001. A son of the late Annie May Kidd and F.A. Poythress Sr., he
was preceded in death by a sister and four brothers. He is survived by his
wife, Roberta Horne Poythress; two daughters, Laura P. Butterfield and her
husband, James and Elizabeth P. Thompson; a son, Robert A. Poythress and his
wife, Nancy; three grandsons, Michael J. Butterfield, Ernest "Happy" Thompson
Jr. and Randolph A. Thompson; six great-grandchildren; two sisters, Agnes P.
Hudson and Ella May P. Kidd; a brother, Thomas S. Poythress; and a special
family friend, Beverly Massie. Remains rest at the Mechanicsville Chapel of
Bennett Funeral Home, 8014 Lee Davis Rd., where the family will receive
friends 2 to 4 and 6 to 8 p.m. Friday and where a funeral service will be
conducted 1 p.m. Saturday, Novmeber 3. Interment will follow in Signal Hill
Memorial Park. In lieu of flowers, memorial donations may be made to Fort
Grove United Methodist Church, P.O. Box 145, Stony Creek, Va. 23882.


I never knew anything about this gentleman except that he answered a mass
mailing postcard query which I sent out a number of years ago. He was most
cordial and curious about his ancestors but had never done any serious
searching so he was left at a loss and I was unable to help him.

Maynard		12/13/2001 11:39:30
Re: Obit from Richmond Times DispatchMaynard, thanks so much for sharing this. You close with "I was unable
to help him." Perhaps you are not aware he was a twice-great-grandson of
Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg Co., Va., lineage summarized as follows:

Lewis Poythress
+Rebecca B. Taylor
Thomas M. Poythress
+Lucy Thomas
William Lewis Poythress
+Anna Jane Jones
Foxall Alexander Poythress
+Annie May Kidd
Foxall Alexander Poythress, Jr.

Several years ago Barbara Neal introduced us to a stash of information on
his branch, after which I visited with his sister, Mrs. Hudson, by phone.
Also, sometime ago his grand-nephew, Michael Brandon Poythress, was a
member of our list. -Lyn

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:39:30 EST VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
> POYTHRESS
> Foxhall Alexander "F.A." Poythress, 77, of Mechanicsville, passed
> away
> October 31, 2001. A son of the late Annie May Kidd and F.A.
> Poythress Sr., he
> was preceded in death by a sister and four brothers. He is survived
> by his
> wife, Roberta Horne Poythress; two daughters, Laura P. Butterfield
> and her
> husband, James and Elizabeth P. Thompson; a son, Robert A. Poythress
> and his
> wife, Nancy; three grandsons, Michael J. Butterfield, Ernest "Happy"
> Thompson
> Jr. and Randolph A. Thompson; six great-grandchildren; two sisters,
> Agnes P.
> Hudson and Ella May P. Kidd; a brother, Thomas S. Poythress; and a
> special
> family friend, Beverly Massie. Remains rest at the Mechanicsville
> Chapel of
> Bennett Funeral Home, 8014 Lee Davis Rd., where the family will
> receive
> friends 2 to 4 and 6 to 8 p.m. Friday and where a funeral service
> will be
> conducted 1 p.m. Saturday, Novmeber 3. Interment will follow in
> Signal Hill
> Memorial Park. In lieu of flowers, memorial donations may be made to
> Fort
> Grove United Methodist Church, P.O. Box 145, Stony Creek, Va.
> 23882.
>
>
> I never knew anything about this gentleman except that he answered a
> mass
> mailing postcard query which I sent out a number of years ago. He
> was most
> cordial and curious about his ancestors but had never done any
> serious
> searching so he was left at a loss and I was unable to help him.
>
> Maynard
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TESTDale PoythressMy messages don,t seem to be coming through since I changed my address. If
this goes thro to list, my new address is dpoythress@nc.rr.com



01/01/2002 3:16:19
In appreciationCharles NealIn appreciation for all the List's "genie angels" who've helped out others
of us along the way, I wanted to share the below write-up about someone
else's genie angel:

This One's For You, M.T. (from the "Sunday Afternoon Rocking" series)

Between cruising the skies in his parachuted flying contraption, ostensibly
on the look out for "Injuns and revenuers", he was busy chatting to folks
and inviting them to his rural farm abode that sounded like a slice of
heaven on earth, crazy glued somewhere in the mountains of eastern
Tennessee. Never mind that he threatened to send his guests up to admire
the view from his lookout tower, and then cut the rope ladder and leave
them hanging. Whether he was capable of that we did not know, but we knew
this gent could keep us all entertained at the same time he was busy
encouraging and helping out.

Between his devilish good humor, and ornery threats, he was busy
volunteering for this and that, giving of his time to genealogy
researchers, among others. He dished out smiles to folks who needed them,
and he dished out encouragement and support to folks who needed that. He
spent hours on the net, giving unselfishly of his abilities in research.
Apparently he had become a one-man welcome center and tour guide for anyone
researching his area, and spent many hours shepherding them over the hills
and around the bluffs, ironing out their Gedcoms, and kindly providing
extensive look ups and information. In short, he was one of those angels
with crooked halos we meet on the net, on our lists, on our sites, there
with a ready grin and good humor, quick to offer a friendly hand, and just
as quick to charm us with a load of southern repartee.

It has happened more times than I can count now, in these years cyber space
has become a part of my world. I grow to almost "know" a person, to like a
person, to certainly trust a person in terms of the work I do on the net.
Those of you who have made the net a bit of your personal community know
what I am speaking of. Sometimes we meet them in person, as my husband and
I once did this man, and sometimes we never see a face or hear a voice, but
know them just the same. And we build friendships, and working
relationships, and look forward to chats or just a casual "thinking about
you - hope you are fine!" But many times, after a period, the people
behind the e-mails become our friends, and a part of our world.

And something else has happened, more than a few times. Cyber space is not
an insulated world, and the people behind the messages that pop up on our
screen are human, and prone to all of the natural phases of life that we
ourselves are, and our neighbors are and the people we see in the flesh
everyday are. And so it is that, from time to time we open our e-mail to
get the same sort of shock we get in everyday life. We learn a friend has
left this world and moved on to another one. And so it was, that this week
I learned a dear friend was gone, and never again would I "hear" his light
hearted bantering or his helpful kindly words.

A shock it was, and I venture to say that many of you, if you have been
researching long or belonged to many of our history and genealogy lists,
also have known such a sadness for a person you never met on the streets of
your town or city. Perhaps you asked yourself why it was you felt such
sadness over a person who was not "really" in your world - and perhaps you
immediately smacked that thought down because you knew that person indeed
WAS really in your world. And you may also have immediately realized that
"knowing" that person, even in this way, was well worth the sadness and
pain you feel at losing this person.

And as surely as we must find a way to come to closure and acceptance of
those who are physically in our world, we must do the same in regard to
those who enter our world by this medium. Long ago I learned that in the
midst of sadness and pain, the route to peace is to find the meaning in
what you knew of the life of that person.

M.T. never passed up a good joke, never passed up a fun to poke and rib and
have a good time. M.T. also never passed up a chance to make someone smile,
to encourage them, to appreciate their efforts, or to just plain find the
words to make them feel better. M.T. loved that farm of his and sent
pictures of beauty and nature so we could all share it with him. He gave a
great deal of volunteer time in his community, and he set up a haven that
he welcomed all to with open arms. I don't think M.T. would want anyone
crying in their soup over him, as he simply was not that kind of person. He
loved life and he loved people and he loved doing for others. He loved
nature and he loved history; he loved his wife and family and he loved good
friends; he loved a good time and he loved giving folks a smile. Quite
simply, about all I knew of the man was his penchant for giving to others.

If there is a way to say "Thanks M.T.", then that way is probably to greet
the world with a smile, helping others smile, looking out for nature,
giving a bit of ourselves to other folks, lending a helping hand...and now
and then when we do these things, saying...."This one's for you, M.T.!"

This is also for those of you who, if you have not already, surely will
experience the same sort of thing, as you carve a niche on the web. I hope
you will remember that caring for folks out there on e-mail that we may
never see or meet in person does not mean welcoming undue pain that could
be avoided. Instead, as in all friendships, however they evolve, it means
enriching our lives in yet another way. What we gain from good people far
outweighs the inevitable pain of losing them. And I am not sure we ever
truly lose them at all.

For those of you who wish to meet my friend, Morgan County, Tn. Host Julie
Cromwell has put up a site in M.T. Davidson's honor:
http://www.tngenweb.org/morgan/MT.html

jan
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~		01/12/2002 10:52:56
James P. PoythressThis elusive gentleman leaves Screven County, Georgia in the mid 1820's for
Gadsden County, Florida. So far as I know we have not found his origin or
his death record.

He patents two land plots about 1830 and disappears from the records.

In poking about the Gadsden County webpage, I am told that the Court House
burned 12 Nov 1849. Nor is there a listing for James P. in any of the
sexton's records at other Gadsden County sites.

Very, very likely his son is one John P. Poythress m. Mary Dolan. This line
still exists and has at least one researcher. John P. is listed as voting in
Florida's first statewide election in 1845.

John P. Poythress (for whatever it's worth) shows in Confederate pensions
with an original application date of 1888. Pension file # AO1832 only lists
John P.'s regiment as "Louisianna." However, since this is a Florida pension
application, we might be
entitled to speculate that John P. enlisted in Louisianna and then returned
to Gadsden County at some time after the war.

Does this open anything up for anybody?

Maynard		01/14/2002 4:06:48
Jenkins County Cem.Bud, would you please send Debbie (dapoythress@juno.com) the name of that
church off of GA 21 on the Millen-Sylvania highway in Jenkins County where
you and I shot pics of all the Poythress tombstones.

I have the pic of Nathaniel Harper Poythress and wife Rachael Flake on my
hard drive but can't find the rest of it. Did we ever get around to
digitalizing all those snapshots? Or even making a typewritten inventory?
If we did, would you send me a copy of it?

Many thanks,

Maynard		01/16/2002 3:53:50
Re: Jenkins County Cem.In a message dated 1/16/02 11:54:55 AM Atlantic Standard Time,
VKRatliff@aol.com writes:

<< Subj: Jenkins County Cem.
Date: 1/16/02 11:54:55 AM Atlantic Standard Time
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Bud, would you please send Debbie (dapoythress@juno.com) the name of that
church off of GA 21 on the Millen-Sylvania highway in Jenkins County where
you and I shot pics of all the Poythress tombstones.

I have the pic of Nathaniel Harper Poythress and wife Rachael Flake on my
hard drive but can't find the rest of it. Did we ever get around to
digitalizing all those snapshots? Or even making a typewritten inventory?
If we did, would you send me a copy of it?

Many thanks,

Maynard


==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ==== >>
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Hi Debbie & Maynard:

Not that I know of Maynard (digitalizing the pictures, I mean).

But the cemetery is "Oak Hill [Baptist Church] Cemetery" located adjacent to
Oak Hill Baptist Church about a mile off GA Route 21 - (the Millen to
Sylvania Hwy.) and there are several graves fairly close together as I
recall, for this family. Like, i.e. --

Nathaniel Harper Poythress (b. 6/7/1861 & d. 1/6/1908); his wife
Rachael [Flake] Poythress (b. 5/?/18609 & d. 10/8/1938) plus there were
Arthur Paythress
Sidney Paythress,
James T. Paythress and a
D.O. Poythress (b. 8/27/1891 & d. 8/25/1892) this 'D.O.' I think was probably
intended as "d/o", for "daughter of" NH & RF Poythress).

But, regardless of spelling 'a' or 'o' there are children of Nathaniel and
Rachael, so I've been assured they were 'of one and the same family.' There
are a couple other of their children buried at another cemetery north of
Millen on GA Route 25 (the Millen to Waynesboro Hwy), so I've been told. I
briefly screen through my records but for the life of me I can't come up with
the name of this other cemetery, for now anyway.

It may be of interest that Doris Odom, one of our members also is very
interested in this Nathaniel Harper Poythress family, as she claims kinship
through a grand-mother back to "Rachel Flake Poythress," wife of Nathaniel
Harper Poythress. However, Doris hasn't had any luck in connecting these
Poythresses up with any of our group either, and I'm sure she would
appreciate any information anyone might run across in helping her in her
research on this Poythress line.

PLUS ---
In addition to the above, there are also buried at Oak Hill Cemetery (my kin)
--
Lee Alexander Poythress (b. 12/25/1861 & d. 1/6/1938) and his 1st wife
Sarah Penelope [Lightfoot] Poythress (3/19/1871 & d. 6/24/1909 - who died in
childbirth) and the Infant daughter (b. 6/24/1909 & d. 7/6/09) of theirs who
appears to have lived only for 12 days), .... all 3 are identified with grave
markers.

Then there is the grave of his (Lee Alexander Poythress) 2nd wife, 'the
widow'
Lucy Lively [Daley] Poythress (b. 8/20/1867 & d. 1/28/1966). Lee and Lucy
had one son named --
Gordon Elmo Poythress (b. 8/20/1912 & d. 8/19/1972) and NOW his wife
Mabel [Edenfield] Poythress who died just this past year and NOW is also
buried there.

Lee Alexander's brother --
Charles M. Poythress (b. 11/25/1859 & d. 6/22/1939) and his wife
Polly [Wallace] Poythress (b&d - ?) are reported to be buried there (by the
late Mabel and her 'two current living' daughters, all are absolutely certain
-- but there is NO grave marker anywhere to be found in this cemetery. I've
never had the opportunity to check this out with the church records, however.

Lee Alexander and Charles M. Poythress were younger brothers of my
grandfather William H. Poythress (b. 12/15/1848 & d. 6/5/1927) consequently
they were my great-uncles. (William H. and wife are buried at Goshen
Methodist Church Cemetery located on GA Route 21, near Rincon, GA in
Effingham County.)

I hope info might be of help.

Bud		01/16/2002 9:50:44
Book ReviewIn this month's Kiplinger magazine, the book "Unwise Passions: a True Story
of a Remarkable Woman...and The First Great Scandal of Eighteenth Century
America" by Alan Pell Crawford....is reviewed.

It is the story of Ann Cary Randolph who has an affair with her brother in
law Richard Randolph (yes, her sister married a cousin of both of them; in
the 18th century the saying was that only a Randolph is good enough to marry
a Randolph. She goes from bad to worse and is generally credited with
"bringing down" the reputation of the family with one of the most prestigious
names in late eighteenth century America.

Additional reviews and comments can be found on the www.amazon.com page and
the book can be purchased "used" (only technically, the plastic overwrap is
gone) for $5.77 plus about 3 bucks postage.

While we have one remote Randolph connection, this one appealed to me as
somethiing of a chronicle of the times. I ordered it.

Maynard		01/17/2002 8:49:29
Jenkins Cem. - Nathaniel Harper PoythressDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionMaynard & Bud,
Thanks guys for the information! Doris Odom sent me an email directly
thinking my Wm E. and her Nathaniel H. may be related, at present I can't
say for sure. So we keep on looking for some connection somewhere. I
appreciate the information!
Thanks again.

Debbie






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Lou....forwarding to you since as I recall you are the guy with the P'Pools,
Petty-Pools, Pettypools, etc. in your truee.

Best,

Maynard

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Any one have data on this John Heath?
Halifax, VA, Deed Bk 10, Page 91, Nov 3, 1775 from Benjamin Pettypool of=
H,=20
to John Heath{Hite??}of
Halifax, for 12 =A3, one certain tract of land in H, bounded by John Murp=
hey,=20
Howard Hurst, Pinsons branch,
Byrd, Wilson, about 64 acres- Signed - Benjamin Pettypool(+ his mark) . W=
it -=20
Henry Talley(H his mark),=20
William Pettypool(x his mark), Haden Pryor, John Wade, Moses Parish (\\ h=
is=20
mark){ Parrish?}. Recorded
Aug 15. l776---note Wilson above and see Thomas Wilson near Stanley Hite =
1782=20
tax list.----This land is on
Hyco Riv. near Aaron Ck as proven by: Halifax Co, VA, Deed Bk 9, Page 7=
5.=20
Mar 4, 1773 from Seth PettyPool of H, to
Benjamin PettyPool of H, for the love Seth has for his grandson, Benjamin=
; =20
Seth has given Benjamin PettyPool a certain tract of
about 64 acres of land in H on the south side of Hico Cr, bounded by Joh=
n=20
Murphy, Howard Hurst, Pinson's branch, Byrd,
Thomas Wiler{Wiles-Wilson?}. Signed - Seth (+ his mark) PettyPool. Wit -=20
William PettyPool(x his mark}, Haden Pryor, Ginor
Roach(+ her mark), Martha Crook(+ her mark) , John Whit(x his mark) ,=20
Fredrick Talley(+his mark) . Recorded Jun 17, 1773

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Long DistanceSeveral articles in WSJ lately about coming increases in long distance
service. While there will always be "deals" these guys are now talking 35
cents a minute for the turkey rate.

To beat the system go to Sam's Club and buy a prepaid calling card at 3.4
cents per minute in denominations of 50, 100, 500, or 1000 minutes. Good for
in-state & out-of-state. My Sam's still has them in inventory as of
yesterday. Good for sending to out of town kids until the kids start making
more money than you do.

Yeah, if you find an "affiliation" (almost anybody, "human race" might work)
you can get a $15 associates Sam's membership. They say the membership is
"yearly" but I've had mine for 3 years now and never have received a second
bill.

And yeah, it's a slight pain to dial the AT&T 800 access number and then your
card number but most new phones will let you program in numbers and ease that
one.

If anybody can beat 3.4 cents a minute please let ME know.

Best,

Maynard		01/24/2002 6:35:10
Which Elizabeth married James Cocke, son of Benjamin?Diana DiamondI would like some help from you Poythress scholars.

Despite the ring of conviction (hedged with "tentatively" at the end) in the
following write-up, the index cards do not reflect the marriage of James
Cocke to Elizabeth 211 11. See other references to Mr. Cocke as marrying
Elizabeth Poythress, granddaughter of John Poythress (BF) and Mary Batte
[Batte 142]. [I will provide if anyone is interested.] Perhaps John was
nicknamed "Joshua"?


Write-up with Trial Chart of the Descendants of Francis Poythress Prepared
April 1977 by R. Bolling Batte found in Virginia State Library, Archives
Division Accession Number 29493 transcribed by Maynard (on the web site.)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/batte.html

211 11 Elizabeth Poythress

Shown as a child of Joshua and Elizabeth (Robertson) Poythress in the notes
on the Robertson family made by Gov. Wyndham Robertson. Elizabeth
(Robertson) Poythress was the governors aunt. He certainly would have had
personal knowledge of her children. Several printed accounts of the Cocke
and Poythress families state that James Cocke, son of Benjamin, married
Elizabeth Poythress, daughter of Joshua, without identifying the Joshua, and
that they had a daughter Elizabeth Cocke who married Jacob Hoffman. As to
this last couple there can be no doubt. In 1955 I ran across a monument in
the cemetery in Leesburg inscribed: "In memory of Jacob Hoffman/and his
wife/ Elizabeth Cocke/and their children/erected by their
grand-daughter/1928." If the mother of this Elizabeth Cocke had indeed been
the daughter of any Joshua Poythress at all she would have to have been the
daughter of Joshua 211 1. She could not possibly been the daughter of Joshua
211 and Mary Short, for their daughter Elizabeth (as we shall see later)
married Simon Fraser in 1775. Elizabeth Poythress who married James Cocke is
said to have died in 1800. Tentatively I place her here."		01/25/2002 5:07:50
ADr Üpchúck BFDA



01/28/2002 8:22:10
GA CSA Soldiers IndexPlease note this post from the Screven County Bulletin board. I went to the
site referenced and there are no Poythress surprises for us. However, it
occurs to me that GenWeb may be working on other states' rosters and one or
more of you might wish to inquire.

Best,

Maynard


Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:08:42 EST
From: JennyCone@aol.com
To: GASCREVE-L@rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <113.be3efd0.298daf5a@aol.com>
Subject: [GASCREVE] GA CSA Soldiers Index Online
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Hope someone will find this of interest. Great job!
Jennifer Cone


Keith Giddeon"

Hi all,
I have just completed the informational pages for the Georgia Civil War
Soldiers Index. http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/military/gsi/index.html
=====================
I want to thank Virginia Crilley and Tim Stowell for lots of help and
encouragement during the course of this project.
Feel free to link to it from your county sites, special project sites,
personal sites, etc.
=====================
The Index is an alphabetical listing of most soldiers serving the state of
Georgia during the War Between the States. In all, the list contains over
211,000 records, with more (approximately 10-20,000) to come in the next few
months.
I have received approximately 450 emails regarding this Index since it went
online in late December. I have received many thanks from those who have
found information on their ancestors. Along with many of these thanks, came
offers to assist me in my genealogy research should the need arise.
Please save your offers to help me personally. Instead of using your time to
email me (unless you have a question not contained in the FAQ), please
transcribe a deed, or a will. Anything you have lying around in your files.
When you have it transcribed, send it to the county coordinator for that
county, and/or the county file manager for the Archives. Let's get a much
larger amount of free data online this year, than has been seen in all
previous years.
I hope the Index helps you in your research, I know it has mine.
Sincerely,
Keith Giddeon		02/03/2002 9:52:40
Question re Screven County Map 1911Charles NealMaynard,

You wrote:
>Even small ponds and similar landmarks are shown in detail
>and labelled. It is a snapshot in time of Screven County in 1911.<

Do cemeteries show up on the map? (I'm referring to the various cemeteries
that you & Bud have mentioned in earlier messages)

Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)		02/05/2002 1:59:46
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To: "Annette Fetterhoff (E-mail)" ; "Brandy Woolsey
(E-mail)" ; "Chad Willis (E-mail)"
; "Curtis Ray Marcantel (E-mail)"

Cc: "George Dow (E-mail)" ; "Don Hutson (E-mail)"
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 4:36 AM
Subject: KYLE


> If you ever need this, I hope it helps.
>
> Just PUSH!
>
> A man was sleeping at night in his cabin when suddenly his room filled
with
> light, and God appeared.
> The Lord told the man he had work for him to do, and showed him a large
> rock in front of his cabin.
> The Lord explained that the man was to push against the rock with all his
> might. So, this the man did, day after day. For many years he toiled from
> sun up to sun down; his shoulders set squarely against the cold, massive
> surface of the unmoving rock, pushing with all of his might. Each night
the
> man returned to his cabin sore and worn out, feeling that his whole day
had
> been spent in vain.
>
> Since the man was showing discouragement, the Adversary (Satan) decided to
> enter the picture by placing thoughts into the weary mind: "you have been
> pushing against that rock for a long time, and it hasn't moved." Thus,
> giving the man the impression that the task was impossible and that he was
> a failure. These thoughts discouraged and disheartened the man. "Why kill
> myself over this?" he thought. "I'll just put in my time, giving just the
> minimum effort; and that will be good enough."
> And that is what he planned to do, until one day he decided to make it a
> matter of prayer and take his troubled thoughts to the Lord.
> "Lord," he said, I have labored long and hard in your service, putting all
> my strength to do that which you have asked. Yet, after all this time, I
> have not even budged that rock by half a millimeter. What is wrong? Why am
> I failing?
> The Lord responded compassionately, My friend, when I asked you to serve
Me
> and you accepted, I told you that your task was to push against the rock
> with all of your strength, which you have done. Never once did I mention
to
> you that I expected you to move it.
> Your task was to push. And now you come to Me with your strength spent,
> thinking that you have failed.
> But, is that really so? Look at yourself. Your arms are strong and
muscled,
> your back sinewy and brown, your hands are callused from constant
pressure,
> your legs have become massive and hard. Through opposition you have grown
> much, and your abilities now surpass that which you used to have. Yet you
> haven't moved the rock. But your calling was to be obedient and to push
and
> to exercise your faith and trust in My wisdom.
> This you have done. Now I, My friend, will now move the rock.
>
> At times, when we hear a word from God, we tend to use our own intellect
to
> decipher what He wants, when actually what God wants is just a simple
> obedience and faith in Him. By all means, exercise the faith that moves
> mountains, but know that it is still God who moves mountains.
>
> When everything seems to go wrong ... just P.U.S.H.
> When the job gets you down ... just P.U.S.H.
> When people don't react the way you think they should ... just P.U.S.H.
> When your money looks "gone" and the bills are due...just P.U.S.H!
> When people just don't understand you ... just P.U.S.H.
> P= Pray
> U= Until
> S= Something
> H= Happens
>
> Pass this on to all the loved ones and friends who may need it, they may
> get it just in time.
>		02/05/2002 4:35:14
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Oil Change instructions for Women:

1) Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles since the last
oil change
2) Drink a cup of coffee.
3) 15 minutes later, write a check and leave with a properly maintained
vehicle.

Money spent: * Oil Change $20.00 * Coffee $ 1.00 *
Total $21.00.

Oil Change instructions for Men:

1) Go to auto parts store and write a check for $50.00 for oil, filter,
kitty litter, hand cleaner and a scented tree.
2) Discover that the used oil container is full. Instead of recycling it
properly, dump in hole in back yard.
3) Open a beer and drink it.
4) Jack car up. Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands.
5) Find jack stands under kid's pedal car.
6) In frustration, open another beer and drink it.
7) Place drain pan under engine.
8) Look for 9/16 box end wrench.
9) Give up and use crescent wrench.
10) Unscrew drain plug.
11) Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil: get hot oil on you in the process.
12) Clean up mess.
13) Have another beer while watching oil drain.
14) Look for oil filter wrench.
15) Give up; poke oil filter with screwdriver and twist off.
16) Beer.
17) Buddy shows up; finish case of beer with him. Finish oil change
tomorrow.
18) Next day, drag pan full of old oil out from underneath car.
19) Throw kitty litter on oil spilled during step 18.
20) Beer. No, drank it all yesterday
21) Walk to 7-11; buy beer.
22) Install new oil filter making sure to apply a thin coat of oil to
gasket surface.
23) Dump first quart of fresh oil into engine.
24) Remember drain plug from step 11.
25) Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan.
26) Discover that the used oil is buried in a hole in the back yard along
with drain plug. (IDIOT!!)
27) Drink beer.
28) Uncover hole and sift for drain plug.
29) Discover that first quart of fresh oil is now on the floor.
30) Drink beer.
31) Slip with wrench tightening drain plug and bang knuckles on frame.
32) Bang head on floorboards in reaction to step 31.
33) Begin cussing fit.
34) Throw wrench.
35) Cuss for additional 10 minutes because wrench hit Miss December(1992)
in the left boob.
36) Beer.
37) Clean up hands and forehead and bandage as required to stop blood
flow.
38) Beer.
39) Beer
40) Dump in five fresh quarts of oil.
41) Beer.
42) Lower car from jack stands.
43) Accidentally crush one of the jack stands.
44) Move car back to apply more kitty litter to fresh oil spilled during
step 23.
45) Beer.
46) Test drive car.
47) Get pulled over: arrested for driving under the influence.
48) Car gets impounded.
49) Make bail.
50) Get car from impound yard.

Money spent:
Parts $50.00
DUI $2500.00
Impound fee $75.00
Bail $1500.00
Beer $25.00
Total-- $4150.00

But you know the job was done right!!!

>
>		02/05/2002 5:43:15
Screven County Map 1911Poythress List:

In 1911, one J. E. Twitty, Surveyor, compiled a map of Screven County. A
friend of mine has access to this map. A professionally made copy of this
"first run of copies" was given to me quietly under circumstances in which it
was made clear the owner doesn't even advertise availability and prefers not
to make copies of it (for whatever reason I don't know, likely the size makes
it more trouble than it's worth). For those who do sniff it out prohibitive
pricing of copies usually serves to keep it under wraps although there is no
objection by the owner to someone else making copies of their own copy.

For those doing serious research in Screven County, this map is an absolute
beauty. It is crisply clear although white on black (blueprint style). It is
so detailed that first and last names of heads of household are indicated in
the locating of what is presumed to be all the individual homes in the
county. Even small ponds and similar landmarks are shown in detail and
labelled. It is a snapshot in time of Screven County in 1911. Size is 36" x
42" and the detail does not even require magnification.

I came by my copy about 6 months ago. I had intended to get pricing on
copying,
mailing tubes and postage and then make copies available to list members at
my cost. As I dithered about moving into a new home it slipped on my
schedule until Doris pulled my chain. Doris had made the contact and the
asking price was 80 bucks plus mailing tube and postage for a copy. Doris
quickly saw that was likely a deliberately prohibitive price and asked me
about it.

Okay, thanks to Doris I have come undithered and gotten the costing together.
Professional copying, mailing tubes and postage costs come to $34 each. On
receipt of a check and a snail mail address I'll be happy to send you one out
same day until the original supply runs out. I have a half dozen ready
figuring I'd have at least that many takers on the first round. If more are
wanted, I'll repeat the process as often as necessary.

Caveats:

1) it's not especially suitable for framing in case the framing cost itself
doesn't stop one. It's not remotely "pretty", it's more informational and,
given the size, one doesn't exactly file it or access it easily. My copy just
lives in its mailing tube and I drag it out from time to time.

2) only Poythress shown is Horace Cullen Poythress and my records say that
would be so. Contiguous counties of Burke, Jenkins and Effingham may or may
not have had some Poythresses at the time. Virtually all of the Screven
County Poythress related families are shown on the Screven map although the
connection may be close or remote.

3) unless you are seriously researching Georgia in general and Screven County
in particular you might want to think twice before spending money on this one
but for those wanting a copy I'm open for biz.

My snail mail address is:

John M. Poythress
15 Glenwood Road
Louisville, KY 40222-6132

Best,

Maynard		02/05/2002 8:05:08
Henry Reed Chancery BillThanks, Lou, you had the very one I was fishing for: " Rebecca Coggin
Poythress" m. 2 Charles Bartholomew. I just couldn't tease that one out of
my memory bone.

That Genealogy.com wire frustrates me to death. You have to go thru PC
handsprings to copy and/or print stuff that's on there and you never get the
e-mail address of whomever you are corresponding with.

I suppose those guys are running the forum and are entitled to make a buck so
they
"protect their market." But what a pain. I was going to send you a copy of
my return to her but I "posted" it and it doesn't even show up in my outgoing
mailbox.

I used your Boddie citation plus the will of Robert Wynne making Francis
Poythress his son in law (stepson) an overseer of his administration as a "by
definition" example; i. e. if Wynne died in 1675 he could ONLY be naming
Francis Poythress(2) the son of Francis(1) and his own wife Mary______.
Francis(1) HAD to be dead by 1675 in that example.

Thanks again. I'll let you all know what she says if I can ever get it
copied.

Maynard		02/07/2002 1:48:48
(no subject)Posted by: Helen L. Tice¤Date: February 06, 2002 at 13:11:29
In Reply to: Re: Francis Poythress b.1614 London d.1661 Charles City, Va by
John M. Poythress of 109

John: in the Charles City County, VA. Order Book 1687-1688 at a court held at
Westover 3 Dec. 1688. Page 549
"Henry Reed exhibits his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca his wife, Executrix of Maj. Francis Poythress. Plt. shows that one
Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this country; before
commission of administration was sent forth, Maj. Francis Poythress
inventoried her estate and had it appraised to value of 5664 lbs. tobacco,
and was thereof possessed. Thereafter administration was granted to said
Poythress and to Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that
belongs to one of the orphans of Ann was in the custody of said Peter. That
said Peter had of said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 lbs.
tobacco. There remained in custody of Pothress 1882 lbs. tobacco, but
Poythress shortly afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your
orator, who begs recovery of 1882 lbs. tobacco, and prays that Charles
Bartholomew and Rebecca his wife be subpoenaed to answer. "

Ann Read Young died ca. 1685, and her estate would not have been appraised
before she died. Unless we're speaking of another Poythress, I don't see how
he could have died in 1661 in Charles City Co., VA when he was said to have
appraised her estate around 1685. According to the Court Order Book, Major
Poythress went to England and died.

Group:

This is message off that maddening Genalogy.com site where you can't "save"
anything for your own records (or at least I need someone to tell me how
to....I have already tried to use .rtf and it doesn't work, or at least it
won't print).

I'll make odds she is talking Francis(2) later aka "Major" and using this
document as a stand alone. Without dredging through all my stuff I can't say
if I have this document or not. I suspect "not." I would surely have
remembered a line saying "Poythress shortly afterward went to England and
died".

In any case, I will speculate that Mrs. Tice is talking Francis(2) and I
would further
take a wild guess that perhaps widow Rebecca Coggin Poythress m.2 Charles
Bartholomew. I'm confident I can prove I'm talking Francis(1) and she's
talking Francis(2) via citing the (1675) will of Robert Wynne citing "my
son-in-law" [stepson]
Captian Francis Poythress as an overseer of the terms of the will. At least
that puts it ahead of 1675.

But I'd rather not "prove it in the negative"; I'd rather have something
solid. Can anyone put a finger on this one?

Thanks,

Maynard		02/07/2002 4:38:08
RE: (no subject)Lou PooleMaynard, I think you are absolutely correct in all your conjectures. I
certainly have nothing to prove conclusively that the Francis Poythress,
subject of the following, was Francis(2) but I, too, am 100% confident
it is.

On one point you state "I would further take a wild guess that perhaps
widow Rebecca Coggin Poythress m.2 Charles Bartholomew." It seems that
Boddie which I've cited in my notes as "“Exc. Journal Council Col. Va.,
Vol. I-3131, dated 14 Jun 1694” — Boddie, John Bennett, Historical
Southern Families, Vol. IV, p. 31" fully agrees with you. He, Boddie,
says: "She [Rebecca Coggin Poythress] later married (2) Charles
Bartholomew, the widower of her sister. This resulted in court action,
as according to the ecclesiastical law in effect in Virginia at that
time, this constituted an incestuous marriage."

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com [mailto:VKRatliff@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:38 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: (no subject)


Posted by: Helen L. Tice¤Date: February 06, 2002 at 13:11:29
In Reply to: Re: Francis Poythress b.1614 London d.1661 Charles City, Va
by
John M. Poythress of 109

John: in the Charles City County, VA. Order Book 1687-1688 at a court
held at
Westover 3 Dec. 1688. Page 549
"Henry Reed exhibits his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew
and
Rebecca his wife, Executrix of Maj. Francis Poythress. Plt. shows that
one
Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this country;
before
commission of administration was sent forth, Maj. Francis Poythress
inventoried her estate and had it appraised to value of 5664 lbs.
tobacco,
and was thereof possessed. Thereafter administration was granted to said

Poythress and to Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that
belongs to one of the orphans of Ann was in the custody of said Peter.
That
said Peter had of said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950
lbs.
tobacco. There remained in custody of Pothress 1882 lbs. tobacco, but
Poythress shortly afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of
your
orator, who begs recovery of 1882 lbs. tobacco, and prays that Charles
Bartholomew and Rebecca his wife be subpoenaed to answer. "

Ann Read Young died ca. 1685, and her estate would not have been
appraised
before she died. Unless we're speaking of another Poythress, I don't see
how
he could have died in 1661 in Charles City Co., VA when he was said to
have
appraised her estate around 1685. According to the Court Order Book,
Major
Poythress went to England and died.

Group:

This is message off that maddening Genalogy.com site where you can't
"save"
anything for your own records (or at least I need someone to tell me how

to....I have already tried to use .rtf and it doesn't work, or at least
it
won't print).

I'll make odds she is talking Francis(2) later aka "Major" and using
this
document as a stand alone. Without dredging through all my stuff I
can't say
if I have this document or not. I suspect "not." I would surely have
remembered a line saying "Poythress shortly afterward went to England
and
died".

In any case, I will speculate that Mrs. Tice is talking Francis(2) and I

would further
take a wild guess that perhaps widow Rebecca Coggin Poythress m.2
Charles
Bartholomew. I'm confident I can prove I'm talking Francis(1) and she's

talking Francis(2) via citing the (1675) will of Robert Wynne citing "my

son-in-law" [stepson]
Captian Francis Poythress as an overseer of the terms of the will. At
least
that puts it ahead of 1675.

But I'd rather not "prove it in the negative"; I'd rather have something

solid. Can anyone put a finger on this one?

Thanks,

Maynard


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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		02/07/2002 11:02:13
Francis Poythress(2)The Tice lady is chasing elsewhere so I expect the exchange to be a one
timer:

Hi John: thanks for your quick reply. I don't believe I'd be much help
to you on your Poythress line. My line is Read.

I come thru Peter Read who first appeared in Charles City Co., VA in
1654. He married Ann (unknown) and had son Henry and daughter Ann Read
Young (widow of Dorrell Young.)
--------------------------------------------

However, we did get one decent document out of it that I don't recall seeing
before. It indicates that Francis(2) "returned to England and died" with no
indication as to his intention; i. e. did he go back temporarily or was his
intention to stay. With a wife and property and children in Virginia I'd
guess the former. Anyway for those of you who may have missed the document:

Charles City County, VA. Order Book 1687-1688 at a court held at Westover 3
Dec. 1688. Page 549
"Henry Reed exhibits his bill in chancery against Charles Bartholomew and
Rebecca his wife, Executrix of Maj. Francis Poythress. Plt. shows that one
Ann Young, sister of the orator, dying intestate, in this country; before
commission of administration was sent forth, Maj. Francis Poythress
inventoried her estate and had it appraised to value of 5664 lbs. tobacco,
and was thereof possessed. Thereafter administration was granted to said
Poythress and to Peter Read, the orator's father. That the moiety that
belongs to one of the orphans of Ann was in the custody of said Peter. That
said Peter had of said moiety only a mare and a cow, to value of 950 lbs.
tobacco. There remained in custody of Pothress 1882 lbs. tobacco, but
Poythress shortly afterward went to England and died, in the nonage of your
orator, who begs recovery of 1882 lbs. tobacco, and prays that Charles
Bartholomew and Rebecca his wife be subpoenaed to answer. "

[note: "Rebecca his wife" is in this instance Rebecca Coggin who has m. 2
Charles Bartholomew following the death of Francis Poythress(2) MP ]

Maynard		02/09/2002 5:26:47
Re: Duke FamilyIn a message dated 2/11/2002 6:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dogtown@tds.net writes:
> Subj:Duke Family
> Date:2/11/2002 6:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
> From:dogtown@tds.net
> To:VKRatliff@aol.com
>
> Hi there, Maynard --
> It's been a little while since we've talked. I'm still down here slowly
> plodding away with my families. Now what -- I've been told that I have
> a GG Grandfather Robert Taylor Duke, b. 1 Jul 1820 in Morgan Co., GA, d.
> 22 Feb 1906 in Burke Co., GA. Seems he "is buried in a small cemetery,
> just west of the own of Gough, Burke Co, Ga. His grave is well
> monumented with dates and inscription." How long ago the little
> gravesite was seen, who knows. I think these notes came from a Weakley
> Family history book published back in 1963.
>
> Now my question -- I recall that only a week or so ago you mentioned a
> county map you had -- was it Burke -- or Screvian (sp.??) County? I
> really don't believe now that I'm thinking about it that it was Burke,
> but then you might just have one of that county too.
>
> I'd certainly like to try to find this place -- at least the name -- do
> you have anything showing a small cemetery just west of the little town
> of Gough? I thought I'd even perhaps right to the local post office
> and/or Methodist Church and see what kind of response I'd perhaps get.
> Do you have any ideas??
> I still enjoy all the Poythress "talk" ya'll do with one another -- hope
> you and your wife are doing well these days & enjoying that new place.
> Just me down here in Gadsden Co., FL
>
> Linda Clark Smith


Hi Linda, great to hear from you again. Thought you had dropped off the
radar. Sorry but the map I have is of Screven. And I have never heard of
Gough, GA but that doesn't mean anything, someone is always pulling out one
of those little towns in
that part of the state that I have never heard of.

The Duke name came up in early Virginia as a Poythress had a land transaction
with an Elizabeth Duke but since the Duke name is all not all that rare and
the time frame is so removed I wouldn't try to make anything of it. Just a
fragment out of my memory-bone so forget it.

However, there is a dandy of a book that will likely have what you want:
"Grave Markers in Burke County, Georgia" written in 1974, by Powell, Odom &
Hillhouse, published by Chalker Pub. Co. in Waynesboro, Georgia. I go through
Waynesboro each year on the way to Sylvania and I doubt seriously if the
Chalker Publishing Co. (or much of anything else) is still standing in
Waynesboro.

It is my impression that Dr. Hillhouse is the reigning expert on Burke
County. He collaborated with Dorothy Odom (some linkage there to Poythresses)
and Lillian Powell on this book. Dr. Hillhouse also wrote "A History of Burke
County, Georgia, 1777-1950." There is no Duke in the index but I wouldn't
let that discourage me as the book ( I have a copy and it is easily
available) is highly anecdotal..

The "Grave Markers" book shouldn't be too hard to locate either as I see it
quoted frequently. Unfortunately, I only have a couple of pages photocopied
and they pertain to John Carter Poythress (d. 1862). A real plus is that the
authors don't just give you just dry bones copied off tombstones but a whole
bunch of peripheral information. For example, after John Carter P's name and
dates on the tombstone, there is at least a half page on father George,
John's wife and children, etc. etc.

And, if Duke was buried in 1906 it is very likely he was buried in a church
graveyard and if it's Methodist, that's not a bad place to start. The
repository for all the Methodist historical records is over on St. Simons
Island. I wrote them about Francis Poythress the KY circuit rider we are
interested in and they sent me a couple of dozen xeroxed pages. I don't have
the address but I'm sure information or even a search engine would turn it up
for you.

And, since Duke lived to be 86 years old, he should be all over the Burke
censuses. Just about everything else in Burke was burned in one of their 3
courthouse fires but the censuses were kept in.....Washington, I
suppose....and those records are still available.

Hope this helps. Maybe someone on the wire will have more.

Best,

Maynard

By the way, I'm finding your John Dolan (?) Poythress (almost certainly son
of James P. Poythress, the migrant from Screven) listed as a private in some
Louisianna regmt. Wonder why? And after "de wahr" he apparently returns to
Gadsden County,
Florida to start (or continue) his family. Is that any surpirse to you?
>
>		02/11/2002 4:12:29
Re: GA detailed maps; Gough area cemetery; formerly Re DukeFamilyCharles NealThanks Linda & Maynard for the further info. Will look forward to learning
anything further you learn, Maynard.

BPN



02/12/2002 1:07:40
GA detailed maps; Gough area cemetery; formerly Re Duke FamilyCharles NealAnyone interested in maps that cover such things as tiny GA towns &
cemeteries near them, should know that the state of GA (and every other
state) sells detailed County Highway Maps. They are not in color -- just
black lines on white paper. But they are large (about 3'x4' in size) &
VERY detailed - they cover a wealth of informative detail. Anyone
researching any county would benefit from owning the county highway map for
every county in which they are interested. These types of maps also show
the degree & minute markings & township/range type of markings that allow
you to coordinate them with US Geological Service topo maps, etc.

A Burke County (or any other GA county) Highway Map can be bought as
follows. I printed off the following info from my 4/15/00 visit to the
following web page, so you'd be wise to check the website to see if
prices/procedures have changed:
www.dot.state.ga.us/homeoffs/planning.www/map_sale.htm (Each state seems
to have a similar www.dot.state website for each of their Depts of
Transportation)

Mon-Fri 8am-4:30pm, WALK UP to the counter for $2 each, from:

GA Dept of Transportation, Map Sales
2 Capitol Square
Atlanta, GA
Phone 404-656-5336; Fax 404-656-3507.

and can be ordered by MAIL, for the same $2 each IF you ADD the appropriate
postage & handling (+$2 for charges under $5; +$2.50 for charges of $5.01
to $15.00; + 15% of purchase, minimum of $2.50, for charges over $15.01) &
if you send a personal ck or money order for the EXACT amt due:

Office of Information Services
Attention: Map Sales
5025 New Peachtree Rd. NE
Chamblee, GA 30341

Now, on to specifics. The Burke County Highway map shows Gough & even a
blow-up inset of the little town itself. For that matter my Rand McNally
highway atlas also shows Gough. It is just east of the western border of
Burke County, roughly halfway up (or down) that border. It is on an
east-west road parallel to & just north of GA Rt. 24. Gough is located at
the intersection of that road & the north-south-running GA Rt. 305.

The County Highway map shows a likely cemetery just west of town, "Sheppard
Place Cemetery," on the south side of the road.
Good luck, Linda, on learning further info from the book Maynard mentioned
&/or from churches in the Gough area. Maynard, thank you so much for the
full title & authors & publication info on the book. I've never heard of
Dr. Hillhouse's name before. I had tried to find that book before (after
one of our correspondents had mentioned a grave in it) on several of my
research trips, but I did not have a full title, much less the further
identifying data, so have never been able to find the book. Also, I'd
never heard of there being a Methodist archives on St. Simons Island, so
I'm glad to learn of that, too; if you could locate the address where you
wrote to them, I'm sure I'm not the only person who would appreciate
getting it.

BPN

= = = =
In a message dated 2/11/2002 6:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dogtown@tds.net writes:
> Subj:Duke Family
> Date:2/11/2002 6:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
> From:dogtown@tds.net
> To:VKRatliff@aol.com
>
> Hi there, Maynard --
> It's been a little while since we've talked. I'm still down here slowly
> plodding away with my families. Now what -- I've been told that I have
> a GG Grandfather Robert Taylor Duke, b. 1 Jul 1820 in Morgan Co., GA, d.
> 22 Feb 1906 in Burke Co., GA. Seems he "is buried in a small cemetery,
> just west of the own of Gough, Burke Co, Ga. His grave is well
> monumented with dates and inscription." How long ago the little
> gravesite was seen, who knows. I think these notes came from a Weakley
> Family history book published back in 1963.
>
> Now my question -- I recall that only a week or so ago you mentioned a
> county map you had -- was it Burke -- or Screvian (sp.??) County? I
> really don't believe now that I'm thinking about it that it was Burke,
> but then you might just have one of that county too.
>
> I'd certainly like to try to find this place -- at least the name -- do
> you have anything showing a small cemetery just west of the little town
> of Gough? I thought I'd even perhaps right to the local post office
> and/or Methodist Church and see what kind of response I'd perhaps get.
> Do you have any ideas??
> I still enjoy all the Poythress "talk" ya'll do with one another -- hope
> you and your wife are doing well these days & enjoying that new place.
> Just me down here in Gadsden Co., FL
>
> Linda Clark Smith

Hi Linda, great to hear from you again. Thought you had dropped off the
radar. Sorry but the map I have is of Screven. And I have never heard of
Gough, GA but that doesn't mean anything, someone is always pulling out one
of those little towns in that part of the state that I have never heard of.

The Duke name came up in early Virginia as a Poythress had a land
transaction with an Elizabeth Duke but since the Duke name is all not all
that rare and the time frame is so removed I wouldn't try to make anything
of it. Just a fragment out of my memory-bone so forget it.

However, there is a dandy of a book that will likely have what you want:
"Grave Markers in Burke County, Georgia" written in 1974, by Powell, Odom &
Hillhouse, published by Chalker Pub. Co. in Waynesboro, Georgia. I go
through Waynesboro each year on the way to Sylvania and I doubt seriously
if the Chalker Publishing Co. (or much of anything else) is still standing
in Waynesboro.

It is my impression that Dr. Hillhouse is the reigning expert on Burke
County. He collaborated with Dorothy Odom (some linkage there to
Poythresses) and Lillian Powell on this book. Dr. Hillhouse also wrote "A
History of Burke County, Georgia, 1777-1950." There is no Duke in the
index but I wouldn't let that discourage me as the book ( I have a copy and
it is easily available) is highly anecdotal..

The "Grave Markers" book shouldn't be too hard to locate either as I see it
quoted frequently. Unfortunately, I only have a couple of pages
photocopied and they pertain to John Carter Poythress (d. 1862). A real
plus is that the authors don't just give you just dry bones copied off
tombstones but a whole bunch of peripheral information. For example, after
John Carter P's name and dates on the tombstone, there is at least a half
page on father George, John's wife and children, etc. etc.

And, if Duke was buried in 1906 it is very likely he was buried in a church
graveyard and if it's Methodist, that's not a bad place to start. The
repository for all the Methodist historical records is over on St. Simons
Island. I wrote them about Francis Poythress the KY circuit rider we are
interested in and they sent me a couple of dozen xeroxed pages. I don't
have the address but I'm sure information or even a search engine would
turn it up for you.

And, since Duke lived to be 86 years old, he should be all over the Burke
censuses. Just about everything else in Burke was burned in one of their 3
courthouse fires but the censuses were kept in.....Washington, I
suppose....and those records are still available.

Hope this helps. Maybe someone on the wire will have more.
Best, Maynard

By the way, I'm finding your John Dolan (?) Poythress (almost certainly son
of James P. Poythress, the migrant from Screven) listed as a private in
some Louisianna regmt. Wonder why? And after "de wahr" he apparently
returns to Gadsden County, Florida to start (or continue) his family. Is
that any surpirse to you?
>		02/12/2002 8:28:20
Re: GA detailed maps; Gough area cemetery; formerly Re DukeFamilyJames SmithThanks Maynard and Barbara for all the information re Gough, GA. Being a good
ole South Ga. Methodist, I'm quite aware of Epworth-By-The-Sea, the South Ga.
United Methodist Conf. Center located on St. Simons Island and its historical
collection. If ya'll ever have a chance to visit the place, do plan a visit
there -- check out there website -- search Epworth-by-the-Sea (maybe listed w/o
the dashes, though). Hotel/motel style accomodations are available there too,
w/ dining facilities.

Linda

Charles Neal wrote:

> Anyone interested in maps that cover such things as tiny GA towns &
> cemeteries near them, should know that the state of GA (and every other
> state) sells detailed County Highway Maps. They are not in color -- just
> black lines on white paper. But they are large (about 3'x4' in size) &
> VERY detailed - they cover a wealth of informative detail. Anyone
> researching any county would benefit from owning the county highway map for
> every county in which they are interested. These types of maps also show
> the degree & minute markings & township/range type of markings that allow
> you to coordinate them with US Geological Service topo maps, etc.
>
> A Burke County (or any other GA county) Highway Map can be bought as
> follows. I printed off the following info from my 4/15/00 visit to the
> following web page, so you'd be wise to check the website to see if
> prices/procedures have changed:
> www.dot.state.ga.us/homeoffs/planning.www/map_sale.htm (Each state seems
> to have a similar www.dot.state website for each of their Depts of
> Transportation)
>
> Mon-Fri 8am-4:30pm, WALK UP to the counter for $2 each, from:
>
> GA Dept of Transportation, Map Sales
> 2 Capitol Square
> Atlanta, GA
> Phone 404-656-5336; Fax 404-656-3507.
>
> and can be ordered by MAIL, for the same $2 each IF you ADD the appropriate
> postage & handling (+$2 for charges under $5; +$2.50 for charges of $5.01
> to $15.00; + 15% of purchase, minimum of $2.50, for charges over $15.01) &
> if you send a personal ck or money order for the EXACT amt due:
>
> Office of Information Services
> Attention: Map Sales
> 5025 New Peachtree Rd. NE
> Chamblee, GA 30341
>
> Now, on to specifics. The Burke County Highway map shows Gough & even a
> blow-up inset of the little town itself. For that matter my Rand McNally
> highway atlas also shows Gough. It is just east of the western border of
> Burke County, roughly halfway up (or down) that border. It is on an
> east-west road parallel to & just north of GA Rt. 24. Gough is located at
> the intersection of that road & the north-south-running GA Rt. 305.
>
> The County Highway map shows a likely cemetery just west of town, "Sheppard
> Place Cemetery," on the south side of the road.
> Good luck, Linda, on learning further info from the book Maynard mentioned
> &/or from churches in the Gough area. Maynard, thank you so much for the
> full title & authors & publication info on the book. I've never heard of
> Dr. Hillhouse's name before. I had tried to find that book before (after
> one of our correspondents had mentioned a grave in it) on several of my
> research trips, but I did not have a full title, much less the further
> identifying data, so have never been able to find the book. Also, I'd
> never heard of there being a Methodist archives on St. Simons Island, so
> I'm glad to learn of that, too; if you could locate the address where you
> wrote to them, I'm sure I'm not the only person who would appreciate
> getting it.
>
> BPN
>
> = = = =
> In a message dated 2/11/2002 6:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> dogtown@tds.net writes:
> > Subj:Duke Family
> > Date:2/11/2002 6:50:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
> > From:dogtown@tds.net
> > To:VKRatliff@aol.com
> >
> > Hi there, Maynard --
> > It's been a little while since we've talked. I'm still down here slowly
> > plodding away with my families. Now what -- I've been told that I have
> > a GG Grandfather Robert Taylor Duke, b. 1 Jul 1820 in Morgan Co., GA, d.
> > 22 Feb 1906 in Burke Co., GA. Seems he "is buried in a small cemetery,
> > just west of the own of Gough, Burke Co, Ga. His grave is well
> > monumented with dates and inscription." How long ago the little
> > gravesite was seen, who knows. I think these notes came from a Weakley
> > Family history book published back in 1963.
> >
> > Now my question -- I recall that only a week or so ago you mentioned a
> > county map you had -- was it Burke -- or Screvian (sp.??) County? I
> > really don't believe now that I'm thinking about it that it was Burke,
> > but then you might just have one of that county too.
> >
> > I'd certainly like to try to find this place -- at least the name -- do
> > you have anything showing a small cemetery just west of the little town
> > of Gough? I thought I'd even perhaps right to the local post office
> > and/or Methodist Church and see what kind of response I'd perhaps get.
> > Do you have any ideas??
> > I still enjoy all the Poythress "talk" ya'll do with one another -- hope
> > you and your wife are doing well these days & enjoying that new place.
> > Just me down here in Gadsden Co., FL
> >
> > Linda Clark Smith
>
> Hi Linda, great to hear from you again. Thought you had dropped off the
> radar. Sorry but the map I have is of Screven. And I have never heard of
> Gough, GA but that doesn't mean anything, someone is always pulling out one
> of those little towns in that part of the state that I have never heard of.
>
> The Duke name came up in early Virginia as a Poythress had a land
> transaction with an Elizabeth Duke but since the Duke name is all not all
> that rare and the time frame is so removed I wouldn't try to make anything
> of it. Just a fragment out of my memory-bone so forget it.
>
> However, there is a dandy of a book that will likely have what you want:
> "Grave Markers in Burke County, Georgia" written in 1974, by Powell, Odom &
> Hillhouse, published by Chalker Pub. Co. in Waynesboro, Georgia. I go
> through Waynesboro each year on the way to Sylvania and I doubt seriously
> if the Chalker Publishing Co. (or much of anything else) is still standing
> in Waynesboro.
>
> It is my impression that Dr. Hillhouse is the reigning expert on Burke
> County. He collaborated with Dorothy Odom (some linkage there to
> Poythresses) and Lillian Powell on this book. Dr. Hillhouse also wrote "A
> History of Burke County, Georgia, 1777-1950." There is no Duke in the
> index but I wouldn't let that discourage me as the book ( I have a copy and
> it is easily available) is highly anecdotal..
>
> The "Grave Markers" book shouldn't be too hard to locate either as I see it
> quoted frequently. Unfortunately, I only have a couple of pages
> photocopied and they pertain to John Carter Poythress (d. 1862). A real
> plus is that the authors don't just give you just dry bones copied off
> tombstones but a whole bunch of peripheral information. For example, after
> John Carter P's name and dates on the tombstone, there is at least a half
> page on father George, John's wife and children, etc. etc.
>
> And, if Duke was buried in 1906 it is very likely he was buried in a church
> graveyard and if it's Methodist, that's not a bad place to start. The
> repository for all the Methodist historical records is over on St. Simons
> Island. I wrote them about Francis Poythress the KY circuit rider we are
> interested in and they sent me a couple of dozen xeroxed pages. I don't
> have the address but I'm sure information or even a search engine would
> turn it up for you.
>
> And, since Duke lived to be 86 years old, he should be all over the Burke
> censuses. Just about everything else in Burke was burned in one of their 3
> courthouse fires but the censuses were kept in.....Washington, I
> suppose....and those records are still available.
>
> Hope this helps. Maybe someone on the wire will have more.
> Best, Maynard
>
> By the way, I'm finding your John Dolan (?) Poythress (almost certainly son
> of James P. Poythress, the migrant from Screven) listed as a private in
> some Louisianna regmt. Wonder why? And after "de wahr" he apparently
> returns to Gadsden County, Florida to start (or continue) his family. Is
> that any surpirse to you?
> >
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Geneaology Research Web
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		02/12/2002 10:17:50
Re: GA detailed maps; Gough area cemetery; formerly Re DukeFamilyLinda, I went to Google to find you the phone and address of the
Epworth-by-the--Sea deal and got your message in the interim and figured out
pretty quickly that you know more about the place than I do. Good luck.

Reminds me, I once hit a glancing blow at the Methodist Archives and History
Center
which is on the campus of Drew University at Madison, NJ. The website is
enormous and has excellent indexes of all the texts and correspondence they
have available. They have a ton. Unfortunately, they haven't digitalized
any of the actual stuff, just the indexes.

I think I'll work that site over once more and then see if I can prevail upon
someone to look up Francis (preacher) for us. I think we need (or I need)
another tack. I have been looking for him in connection with Francis Asbury.
Asbury was a heavy hitter and a close friend of Francis. However, it seems
to me that the principle thing we need to know about Francis is who were his
parents and the Asbury connection would seem to me to not be likely to turn
that up. I'll try something else.

I continue to wonder if this Francis had anything to do with fact that most
of those
Burke and Screven Poythresses were Methodist. Francis worked VA and NC east
of the mountains and when he came to Kentucky he seemed to stay on this side
of the mountains. Just off the top of my head I'd be inclined to guess that
he didn't have any contact with the Mecklenburg county crowd.

Maynard

P. S. Barbara, the dust jacket on Hillhouse's book says he lives in Danville,
KY with his wife. Dr. Hillhouse was head of the finance committee of the
four occupying powers of Germany and an advisor to Gen Lucius Clay which
implies to me he wasn't any spring chicken then. The book was published in
1974 which suggests to me that Dr. Hillhouse may no longer be with us. All
the same, I checked the 'net phone directories and came up blank. I have a
shrink friend who sort of moves in the circles of the scholarly folk (Centre
is at Danville) and I have asked him to make some inquiries. MP		02/12/2002 11:11:58
Epworth-By-The-SeaJames SmithLast evening, I mentioned to ya'll the South Ga. United Methodist Church
Conference Center located on St. Simons Island named
Epworth-By-The-Sea. There's also a North Ga. UMC Conference Center near
Atlanta called Simpsonwood.

The state is cut just about in half - Savannah, Macon, & Columbus are
just about the northern extreme of the S.Ga. Conf.; Augusta is in the
N.Ga. Conf. I'm not certain if Screvin & Burke counties are both in
S.Ga. or not; the line zig-zags across the state & I can't locate my
book right now - oh, where could it be!

I understand both of these centers have a good historical collection and
are willing to assist researchers. I've been told many churches have
their records stored there, in addition to other wonderful old works.

Linda



02/13/2002 3:54:18
Burke CountyLinda, I also checked the Burke site and there is a ton of cemetery
information on there. If you have not been, here are the directions: go to:
http://www.usgenweb.com/index.html .....click on top "bar" on the
left.....select
state directories which you can do off a map or a list, select Georgia and go
to Burke. I didn't bother to poke about on the thing very long because there
is so much. My guess is Mr. Duke's tombstone will be there and easy to find
if you know the name of the cemetery.

I continue to pursue this Methodist Archives route to finding Francis
Poythress' parents....knowing full well it's not an especially logical place
to look given that he came to the ministry relatively late in life; however,
other than random shots here and there I can't think of any place else. The
fact is that he is probably already in this truckload of paper I have.

Good luck finding Mr. Duke.

Maynard



02/14/2002 3:49:38
Epworth-By-The-Sea & SimpsonwoodCharles NealThanks so much, Linda, for the info; didn't know about Simpsonwood before,
either. Simpsonwood & Epworth-By-The-Sea may have info that will help with
one of my non-Poythress ancestors.

BPN
= = = =

Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:54:18 -0500
From: James Smith
Old-To: "POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com"
Subject: Epworth-By-The-Sea

Last evening, I mentioned to ya'll the South Ga. United Methodist Church
Conference Center located on St. Simons Island named Epworth-By-The-Sea.
There's also a North Ga. UMC Conference Center near Atlanta called
Simpsonwood.

The state is cut just about in half - Savannah, Macon, & Columbus are just
about the northern extreme of the S.Ga. Conf.; Augusta is in the N.Ga.
Conf. I'm not certain if Screvin & Burke counties are both in S.Ga. or
not; the line zig-zags across the state & I can't locate my book right now
- oh, where could it be!

I understand both of these centers have a good historical collection and
are willing to assist researchers. I've been told many churches have their
records stored there, in addition to other wonderful old works.

Linda		02/14/2002 6:14:50
Georgia Archives VisitPatti: Re GDAH

All directions and street adds and stuff is on the site:
www.GeorgiaArchives.org.

They are in the process of moving the archives to a new location in Morrow,
GA, in Clayton County, somewhat in the boonies but not all that tough to
reach as I suspect it's just right out the interstate a few miles.

All the stuff in the upstairs is being boxed and moved first, thus leaving
the general public part of the operation (that first floor) open although
with restricted hours. They are closed on Saturdays and Mondays until the
move is completed. So, it looks as if you are knocked out if your Atlanta
trip is a weekend through Monday. Construction is expected to take 18 to 20
months from the starting date of Nov., 2001

You might want to phone Pam Coleman who is a senior archivist at the GDAH.
Her number is 404-651-6474 and email is pcoleman@sos.state.ga.us. I doubt if
she can be able to open the place for anyone personally but she can likely
give you some alternate places to work.

I can suggest two:

I got caught one day when I had gone all the way downtown and the GDAH was
closed for some reason so I went up the hill (towards the capitol) got on
Peachtree for 3 or 4 blocks and tried the City of Atlanta Library. I
considered it a day not totally wasted but most of their stuff I would call
"generic"; i. e. histories and texts as opposed to something like specific
microfilm of courthouse records.

Probably the preferred alternative is the NARA archives in East Point, GA
(Atlanta suburb out by the airport, you may drive right by it coming in from
the airport). I have been there once and was confused because I hadn't done
my homework and just didn't know what to look for.

The facilities when I went were no where near as good as the GDAH: take your
lunch, limited microfilm readers so get there early (once you are "in
possession" I believe the reader is"yours") and you just have the general
feeling of being crowded. Parking is free and very close to the building.
The place is somewhat concealed although not tough to find with decent
directions. For some reason they stuck it in what is now (or would become)
almost entirely a residential area.

NARA has instructional booklets (with locating maps) that your House
representative can get mailed to you. In NARA parlance, I think this one is
called their Southeast Branch. Also, I know Craig Scott uses the NARA in DC
(or someplace up there) extensively and BPN also used it a lot when they
lived in that area. I'll punt to them for giving you pointers on how best to
use the place, etc. And if you two do send Patti some pointers, folks, put
'em on the list because I'll be needing them also.

Sorry to have bad news, Patti, but I hope an alternative works out.

Maynard		02/15/2002 5:59:54
Francis PoythressIn the Methodist histories of the late 18th century, early 19th century,
considerable commentary is devoted to this man. He was originally from
Prince George County, VA (the family seat) or one of its contiguous counties.

Poythress' early history involved a circuit ministry in western Virginia and
North Carolina. Later he associates with Bishop Asbury in opening Kentucky
for the church and is credited with a substantive role in the foundation of
what becomes Asbury College. Bishop Asbury put Poythress' name forward as a
candidate for a bishopric and this candidacy failed by "the slimest of
margins."

Numerous Methodist histories have related this history as Francis Poythress
collapsing (about 1811) from the strain of his ministries; subsequently being
a "certified lunatic" for the last few years of his life and died about 1818
at the home of a sister, Mrs. Rebecca Prior in Jessamine County, KY. Also,
living in the same KY county at the time was another sister, Mrs. Elizabeth
Pendleton. (Francis Poythress never married).

My specific search is a simple SINGLE but elusive piece of information: who
were the parent (s) of Francis Poythress?

My search in VA has been not been rewarding; Prince George is a "burned"
county. My search in the Epworth-by-the Sea archives have turned up numerous
multi-page articles or multi-page sections of various Methodist histories
describing Poythress' ministerial activities without any personal history
that identifies his origins.

Methodist archives are not a logical place to look for these one or two names
but it seems to be my only option left. Do you think by any chance that you
could help me?

Thanking you in advance for your kind consideration,

Sincerely,

John M. Poythress
15 Glenwood Road
Louisville, KY 40222-6132
(502-425-4361)
(vkratliff@aol.com)		02/15/2002 11:33:33
Corrected: Sisters might help? (formerly Francis Poythress)Charles NealThis post is to correct my earlier post, to now include the correct
surnames of the married sisters (per Maynard's message directly to me
correcting his earlier message that should have read "Peniston" rather than
"Pendleton"). Also adding an additional bit to my "Secondary thought"
paragraph.
BPN
= = = =

It occurs to me in reading the below message about Francis Poythress who
was a Methodist preacher in the late 1700s & early 1800s, that perhaps we
have one other avenue for identifying his VA father:

Francis' two sisters
- Rebecca who married a PRIOR & lived in KY by at least 1818; and
- Elizabeth who married a PENISTON & lived in KY by at least 1818.

Main thought was that perhaps looking for all 3 siblings (with
marriage-surnames for 2 of them) in a Poythress family tree might
conceivably give us some clue as to who was the father of all 3 of them,
Francis, Rebecca & Elizabeth. Nothing in the Batte chart info leaps out at
me as being the right family, but perhaps someone more familiar with all of
Batte's research might recognize the marriage surnames of the 2 sisters?
If so, would love to hear about it.

Secondary thought: perhaps the reason both the PRIOR & PENISTON households
were in KY by at least 1818 relates to the 2 men having gotten land there
for Revolutionary War service. If Mr. ??? Prior or Mr. ??? Peniston ever
was the "Patriot ancestor" for any descendants filing application for
admission to DAR &/or to SAR, then the application forms should show that
the applicant was filing based on Revolutionary service of Mr. ??? Prior
[or Peniston] who was born in [county; state] on the __ day of ____, 17__,
and died in [county; state] on the __ day of ____, 18__ and should also
show that their line of descent was from that said Mr. ??? Prior [or
Peniston] and his [first or whatever #] wife, [named____], who was born on
[date] at [county; state], died on [date] at [county; state], married on
[date]. Having such info on the Rebecca Poythress who married Mr. ???
Prior, or on the Elizabeth Poythress who married Mr. ??? Peniston, could go
a long way to helping solve which Poythress fathered Rebecca & Elizabeth &
Francis. AND Of course if we learn further info about Poythress folks
beyond those who are on the Batte chart in the latter half of the 1700s,
that will help all of us who seem to be descended from some Poythress who
is not on the chart.

BPN
= = = = = =
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:33:33 EST
Subject: Francis Poythress
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

In the Methodist histories of the late 18th century, early 19th century,
considerable commentary is devoted to this man. He was originally from
Prince George County, VA (the family seat) or one of its contiguous
counties.

Poythress' early history involved a circuit ministry in western Virginia
and North Carolina. Later he associates with Bishop Asbury in opening
Kentucky for the church and is credited with a substantive role in the
foundation of what becomes Asbury College. Bishop Asbury put Poythress'
name forward as a candidate for a bishopric and this candidacy failed by
"the slimest of margins."

Numerous Methodist histories have related this history as Francis Poythress
collapsing (about 1811) from the strain of his ministries; subsequently
being a "certified lunatic" for the last few years of his life and died
about 1818 at the home of a sister, Mrs. Rebecca Prior in Jessamine County,
KY. Also, living in the same KY county at the time was another sister,
Mrs. Elizabeth Pendleton [CORRECTION: correct surname is Peniston].
(Francis Poythress never married).

My specific search is a simple SINGLE but elusive piece of information: who
were the parent (s) of Francis Poythress?

My search in VA has been not been rewarding; Prince George is a "burned"
county. My search in the Epworth-by-the Sea archives have turned up
numerous multi-page articles or multi-page sections of various Methodist
histories describing Poythress' ministerial activities without any personal
history that identifies his origins.

Methodist archives are not a logical place to look for these one or two
names but it seems to be my only option left. Do you think by any chance
that you could help me?

Thanking you in advance for your kind consideration,
Sincerely,
John M. Poythress
15 Glenwood Road
Louisville, KY 40222-6132
(502-425-4361)
(vkratliff@aol.com)		02/18/2002 2:15:12
Re: Corrected: Sisters might help? (formerly Francis Poythress)Neat idea on looking for DAR/SAR connections. SAR national headquarters is
about
3 blocks from Louisville's central library which I visit from time to time
and I hope they have some kind of index.....if so, it will be a quick check.

Maynard		02/18/2002 3:59:12
Mecklenburg 1850 CensusI don't know why these were on the Charlotte County page except that
Charlotte County was created out of (I think) Lunenburg and (again I think)
Mecklenburg. I can't see any other rationale for putting the 1850
Mecklenburg census on the Charlotte County site.

But for whatever reason, the below came off the Charlotte County site :

CENSUS YR: 1850 TERRITORY: VA COUNTY: Mecklenburg REEL NO: 960 PAGE
NO: 56b
REFERENCE: 17th day of Sept 1850 J. O. Knox
==============================================================================

===========================================
LN HN FN LAST NAME FIRST NAME AGE SEX RACE OCCUP.
VAL. BIRTHPLACE MRD. SCH. R/W DDB
==============================================================================

===========================================


38 134 134 POYTHRESS David 44 M Overseer 429
VA
39 134 134 POYTHRESS Sally 32 F
VA
40 134 134 POYTHRESS James 17 M
VA
41 134 134 POYTHRESS Mary 14 F
VA
42 134 134 POYTHRESS George 9 M
VA

CENSUS YR: 1850 TERRITORY: VA COUNTY: Mecklenburg REEL NO: 960 PAGE
NO: 57
REFERENCE: 18th day of September 1850 J. O. Knox
==============================================================================

===========================================
LN HN FN LAST NAME FIRST NAME AGE SEX RACE OCCUP.
VAL. BIRTHPLACE MRD. SCH. R/W DDB
==============================================================================

===========================================
1 134 134 POYTHRESS Charles 1 M



CENSUS YR: 1850 TERRITORY: VA COUNTY: Mecklenburg REEL NO: 960 PAGE
NO: 62
REFERENCE: 25th day of Sept 1850 J. O. Knox
==============================================================================

===========================================
LN HN FN LAST NAME FIRST NAME AGE SEX RACE OCCUP.
VAL. BIRTHPLACE MRD. SCH. R/W DDB
==============================================================================

===========================================

2 217 217 POYTHRESS James 45 M Carpenter
VA
3 217 217 POYTHRESS Catherine 45 F
VA
4 217 217 POYTHRESS Joshua 21 M Capenter
VA
5 217 217 POYTHRESS Nathan 19 M Laborer
VA
6 217 217 POYTHRESS William 16 M Laborer
VA
7 217 217 POYTHRESS Catherine 13 F
VA
8 217 217 POYTHRESS Rebecca 11 F
VA
9 217 217 POYTHRESS Penelope 9 F
VA
10 217 217 POYTHRESS Alzernon 6 M
VA
11 217 217 POYTHRESS Virinda 4 F
VA
12 218 218 POYTHRESS Thomas 35 M Laborer 144
VA
13 218 218 POYTHRESS Lucy 25 F
VA
14 218 218 POYTHRESS William 5 M
VA
15 218 218 POYLTHRESS Frances 3 F
VA
30 241 241 POYTHRESS Edward 52 M Laborer
VA
31 241 241 POYTHRESS Mahala 47 F
VA
32 241 241 POYTHRESS Sarah A. 47 F
VA
33 241 241 POYTHRESS Harriett 16 F
VA
34 241 241 POYTHRESS George 12 M
VA		02/18/2002 6:09:06
Sisters might help? (formerly Francis Poythress)Charles NealIt occurs to me in reading the below message about Francis Poythress who
was a Methodist preacher in the late 1700s & early 1800s, that perhaps we
have one other avenue for identifying his VA father:

Francis' two sisters
- Rebecca who married a Prior & lived in KY by at least 1818; and
- Elizabeth who married a Pendleton & lived in KY by at least 1818.

Main thought was that perhaps looking for all 3 siblings (with
marriage-surnames for 2 of them) in a Poythress family tree might
conceivably give us some clue as to who was the father of all 3 of them,
Francis, Rebecca & Elizabeth. Nothing in the Batte chart info leaps out at
me as being the right family, but perhaps someone more familiar with all of
Batte's research might recognize the marriage surnames of the 2 sisters?
If so, would love to hear about it.

Secondary thought: perhaps the reason both the Prior & Pendleton
households were in KY by at least 1818 relates to the 2 men having gotten
land there for Revolutionary War service.
BPN
= = = = = =
From: VKRatliff@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:33:33 EST
Subject: Francis Poythress
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

In the Methodist histories of the late 18th century, early 19th century,
considerable commentary is devoted to this man. He was originally from
Prince George County, VA (the family seat) or one of its contiguous
counties.

Poythress' early history involved a circuit ministry in western Virginia
and North Carolina. Later he associates with Bishop Asbury in opening
Kentucky for the church and is credited with a substantive role in the
foundation of what becomes Asbury College. Bishop Asbury put Poythress'
name forward as a candidate for a bishopric and this candidacy failed by
"the slimest of margins."

Numerous Methodist histories have related this history as Francis Poythress
collapsing (about 1811) from the strain of his ministries; subsequently
being a "certified lunatic" for the last few years of his life and died
about 1818 at the home of a sister, Mrs. Rebecca Prior in Jessamine County,
KY. Also, living in the same KY county at the time was another sister,
Mrs. Elizabeth Pendleton. (Francis Poythress never married).

My specific search is a simple SINGLE but elusive piece of information: who
were the parent (s) of Francis Poythress?

My search in VA has been not been rewarding; Prince George is a "burned"
county. My search in the Epworth-by-the Sea archives have turned up
numerous multi-page articles or multi-page sections of various Methodist
histories describing Poythress' ministerial activities without any personal
history that identifies his origins.

Methodist archives are not a logical place to look for these one or two
names but it seems to be my only option left. Do you think by any chance
that you could help me?

Thanking you in advance for your kind consideration,
Sincerely,
John M. Poythress
15 Glenwood Road
Louisville, KY 40222-6132
(502-425-4361)
(vkratliff@aol.com)		02/18/2002 9:01:47
Re: SAR - Corrected: Sisters might help? (formerly Francis Poythress)Barb...the only thing "restrictive" about these SAR guys is they nick you for
4 bucks to get in the library door unless you are already ordained with
membership.

I suppose by contrast to the DAR, these guys have all the paper documented
files of each successful applicant and the line by which he got there bound.
And the accumulation of these gazillion applications comprises about 80% of
the library's approx. 25M sq. ft. and the shelves are wide open.

That one figures; typically I have found the DAR to do a Prussian postmaster
act on some subjects while the SAR is laid back on just about everything.

The library's other 20% is "textbooks" and I got thru all their indexes in
couple of days and called it a day on the SAR since I couldn't find any
applicant I wanted "by name"; i. e. the submissions are indexed by the
applicant's name only without any "interior to the line" data that would help
a search. I found no Poythress applicants and checked out, full well knowing
that Lt. William was hiding somewhere in that 20M sq. ft. of shelves but
figuring a lifetime to look was pretty long odds.

At least that's the way it was a couple of years ago when I was last in
there. Now that I have Prior and Peniston to look for that is at least
something. But I guessing if the applicant's name ITSELF is not Prior or
Peniston I'll be snookered. They may also have a full search feature by now.

Even more importantly, I had an opportunity to join the SAR's library head
enchalada for lunch a few months ago in connection with a little charity I do
some work with I'll phone him before I go. I never fully believed that the
only "bibliography" was by applicant's name and the enchalada will no doubt
clear that up for me.

Be back to you & the board.

Maynard		02/19/2002 4:17:40
SAR LibraryBarbara....oh, and BTW, you can copy all you want as long as the quarters to
feed the xerox machine hold out so getting "the entire" line of proofs should
be no problem provided we find the guy.

Maynard



02/19/2002 4:23:17
1600's VirginiaHello,

I descend from Mrs. Mary ?/SLOMAN? POYTHRESS WYNNE and husband, (Colonel)
Robert (1) WYNNE through Thomas WYNNE and Agnes STITH. Recently I lost most
of my files in a major 'crash' but, thankfully, had a 'main file' that I had
sent my brother that he sent back. But just now I found some information on
the internet regarding the following but I didn't know whether it was valid
or not. Could someone advise?

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Bellinda Myrick - Barnett (Please see the following.)

Alice (Mary) PAYTON
...born: abt. 1624 in London, Middleses, England
md: Robert WYNNE
...md: abt. 1652 in London, Middlesex, England
md: husb. # 1: Francis POYTHRESS
Children of Francis POYTHRESS and Alice (Mary) PAYTON:

Jane POYTHRESS
John POYTHRESS
Francis POYTHRESS
Thomas POYTHRESS

Can someone on the list explain to me:

Is the Alice (Mary) PAYTON mentioned above the same person whom I show as
Mrs. Mary ?/SLOMAN? POYTHRESS and if not is this incorrect or correct
information? Is she shown as being married to the same Francis POYTHRESS and
Robert WYNNE as Mrs. Mary ?/SLOMAN? POYTHRESS? And I have Mrs. Mary
?/SLOMAN? POYTHRESS? married 1st to Francis POYTHRESS and then 2nd to (Col.)
Robert WYNNE which I believe is correct.		02/22/2002 7:48:43
Mary (Payton?)Belinda....I'm not insisting that I'm 100% right but I do have some
documentation and some reasonable circumstantial stuff. I have seen enough
of what you have seen on the net to be very skeptical. I would speculate
that someone just hung it out there and enough people copied it for it to
take on a life of its own.

And more and more people are trying to flesh out that line because the Jane
Poythress you cite supposedly married Thomas Rolfe, son of John Rolfe m.
Pocahontas. There must be a million people on line hooking up a Pocahontas
decendency and when they see that Poythress name they have an urge to fill in
the blanks......albeit that information itself would be irrelevent to a
Pocahontas decendency.

Here's how I propose it, and again I call it probable but not guaranteed.

"The immigrant" Francis Poythress is baptised St. Mary's Parish, Newent,
Gloustershire 12 July 1609 ("ffrancis the Sonne of John Poythres (one "s")
was baptised 12 July 1609.)" Francis appears Charles City about 1631-2 as a
factor for London merchant Lawrence Evans who sues Francis over some
disagreement. Appointed court of merchants (about 1632) finds for Poythress.

Francis marries Mary ________ ca 1632 or so and they have 4 children (as
cited but in a different order) Jane, Thomas, John and Francis (2) are born,
probably all before early 1640s.

Mary's maiden name is the $64 question that everyone seems to be looking for.

Francis dies about 1656 (I couldn't make a case against 1652) and Mary m. 2
Col. Robert Wynne as stated.

I don't see any of this occurring in Middlesex other than perhaps the births
of Robert Wynne and/or Mary _______. Records show Col. Wynne b. England.
I'm not inclined to buy Mary b. England but that is only a hunch and it's
doubful that has been proven.

There are numerous candidates for Mary's maiden name:

1) Sloman......for no reason other than the name Sloman appears a couple of
times as a given name after Mary m. Capt. Wynne and the name had shown in
neither Poythress nor Wynne lines previously. That's not much to go on but I
haven't seen anything substantive (or documented) anywhere.

2) Peyton/Payton......only sometimes with Alice Mary or Mary Alice as given
name.
Have seen it often and would love to see documentation.

3) Peterson.....no documentation at all.

4) Frances....to which I give no credibility because I believe it to be
either one of Mary's given names or a confusion with husband Francis.

So, I would posit:

a) Mary's maiden name is not as yet known.

b) all of this likely happened in a time frame perhaps a decade or two later
than what is commonly seen on the net.

c) Wynne b. England is documented, the details are somewhere. I never
recorded them. Likely location is on the Wynne site as those people are
fairly active. Mary b. England remains a question needing documentation.

Hope this helps.

John M. Poythress		02/22/2002 9:00:14
Tour: (P-1) Poythress Family of R. Bolling BatteDiana DiamondTry a tour of my database at newly installed at Rootsweb's World Connect. It
can also be accessed through www.ancestry.com, but that may be trickier.

Main Page

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=poythressp1

The following is designed to help people who haven't looked at the "World
Connect" for a number of months. I encourage you all to look at all the
databases there, by using the "search" links.

In an ideal world you should be able to press the blue links below and go to
the pages I have selected for view, but experience tells me the longer links
will get their blue ends chopped off, and you may need to copy the whole
link from beginning to end (the end will be black) and enter it into you
browser. Or do your own tour. Or you can email me and I will send you the
links in Microsoft word, where the ends aren't cut off.


You can get this page by hitting "P" and selecting "Poythress" or enter
this URL.

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=poythressp1&recn
o=3041

This is after hitting the "Descendancy" link for Francis Poythress

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=poythressp1&id=I
0007

and

after hitting the "Register" Link.

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=poythressp1&id=I0
007


Opening page for Francis, which you can reach from the page above, by
selecting the "Individual" link:

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=poythressp1&id=I0
007

and for pedigree of Patrick Henry Poythress
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=poythressp1&id=I0
119

and for ahnentafel of Patrick Henry Poythress.

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=poythressp1&id=I0
119


I understand the whole world doesn't agree with Mr. Batte on every
connection. I have made every effort to get his work right, and where I
deviate, I try to make source notes. Please check the sources, and let me
know if I have erred. I will probably update the database from time to
time, so I welcome comments for all of you. Where these are your known
ancestors, let me know how this squares with your information.

Diana		03/01/2002 1:02:03
More on The (P-1) Poythress FamilyDiana DiamondIf the email I sent earlier doesn't engender some questions, then I haven't
done my job well. But to anticipate some questions, I would like to list
some highlights of my database at


Features:

o Fairly complete picture the Poythress family and descendants--nearly all
descendants, including Jane's--from 1609 through 1800, and for many of them,
through 1900.

o Fairly complete references to the Batte's index cards for each person in
the database in the target group. I provided a link to the RBB cards in what
is called "My Home Page." I encourage you to check my work.

o Fairly complete background of the spouses of the Poythress descendants,
for a few generations in many cases.

o I converted all the Eppes to Epes to make the alphabetical features of
computers work better. I used R. Bolling Batte's cards rather than Mr.
Dorman's book, "The Descendants of Francis Epes". I did this to keep the
work consistent. In a few cases, I made note of The Dorman book.

o Good linkage of families when cousins marry, which they do often.

o Less information about the individuals' occupations etc. Something I
hope to work on in the future. In my own FTM database, (which the produced
the gedcom, that rootsweb uses) I have the card images in my scrapbook to
refer to again and again. So if you have specific questions about
individuals, I hope to answer them easily.

o A serviceable system of identifying where there are problems and
questions.

o By having each card image handy to check and double check in my personal
FTM database, and by using Mr. Batte's own letter-ordering system, I have a
high degree of confidence I got the marriages and children entered
correctly. I expect some typos in the date sections, by the nature of how
they were entered. I am continuing to recheck these. Some of our people
have strange given names.

o At the moment, a fair amount of redundancy in identifying people, using
Mr. Batte's letter system. Perhaps in the future I will reduce this. It was
necessary to insure I had the right person when so many people have the same
names. A few times R. Bolling Batte had trouble keeping them straight.

o Inclusion of information on Mary Poythress's second family with Col.
Wynne.

o I am happy to add written notes to individuals you have researched and
give you credit.

Diana		03/01/2002 1:19:21
Tour: (P-1) Poythress Family of R. Bolling BatteCharles NealDear Diana,

Thank you SO much for making all your great work available on Rootsweb's
World Connect. I only had time so far to briefly give it a quick spin, but
was quite impressed with the quantity & quality of your work, as well as by
how easy it is to maneuver around in by just clicking on connections to see
someone's ancestors or descendants. Thank you for this magnificent
addition!

Cheers,
BPN


From: "Diana Diamond"
Subject: Tour: (P-1) Poythress Family of R. Bolling Batte
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:02:03 -0500

Try a tour of my database at newly installed at Rootsweb's World Connect.
It can also be accessed through www.ancestry.com, but that may be trickier.

Main Page
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=poythressp1		03/03/2002 2:02:16
Thomas JeffersonDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionHello Everyone,
I have just finished listening to "John Adams" on audiocassette and was very
interested in the information that I learned about Richard Lee, from
Virgina, most especially about Thomas Jefferson's mother being a Randolph,
as well as his daughter, Martha (Patsy) also marrying a Randolph ( a cousin
I presumed).
This is what I have gathered thus far and was hoping someone might know a
little more than I do about this already.
T. Jefferson's mother was Jane Randolph; her father was Isham Randolph & his
mother was Mary Isham.
Martha Jefferson married, Thomas Mann Randolph, Jr, with no mention as to
who his parents were from the website I visited.
T. Jefferson's wife was Martha Wayles Skelton; her mother was Martha Epes,
who was the daughter of Francis IV Epes and the g. daughter of Francis III
Epes and Anne Isham.
Now if memory serves me right, those were all names - Epes, Isham, &
Randolph - that had been in the Poythress lines as well. I found that very
interesting and was wondering how they would all connect to Capt. Francis
Poythress.
Just curious.

Debbie Poythress




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03/03/2002 10:34:04
Re: Thomas JeffersonDiana DiamondDebbie

I included Thomas Jefferson in my database to partially answer this kind of
question. He is only sketchily entered. This question has come up several
times since I have been on the list, so I tried to see what Batte would say.

See http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=poythressp1

Go to the J's in the index, then Thomas born 1743.

Thomas Jefferson's sister married John Bolling [(B-2) AAB], which means he,
a descendant of Jane Poythress, is 5 generations removed from Francis
Poythress. B-2 A is equivalent to P-1 AAA.

But to answer the question I think you are asking, the Randolphs who married
Poythresses on the Batte Chart A are descendants of Henry Randolph (R-2),
the Uncle of William of Turkey Island (R-1). Their lines meet in England in
Richard Randolph of England, born 1620/21 married to Elizabeth Ryland. So
they are cousins, but somewhat removed.

But many of the descendants of Francis married into both lines, Henry
Randolph and William of Turkey Island. Since my database emphasis is
Francis Poythress, if you go to Richard Randolph of England, and select the
"descendancy" or "register" most of the people you see after the first few
generations are descendants of Francis Poythress.

Hope that helps.

Diana		03/04/2002 5:06:36
Scratch that RandolphDiana DiamondThe linking Randolph I gave you was one generation too low.

Try

William Randolph was born 1572 in Northamptonshire, England, and died 1660.
He married Elizabeth Smith. She was born in 1st wife of Wm Randolph. He
married Dorothy Lane.

Here is a link, but you will probably have to copy the whole link (the end
will be black) into your browser.

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=poythressp1&id=I3
287

Diana		03/04/2002 5:10:34
Re: Thomas JeffersonDear Diane,

Per your request for information about Thomas JEFFERSON's lineage, I was
looking at the information on the webpages that you sent the link for and
noticed something that is an error from past older biographies that have been
proven to be incorrect, according to my understanding.

I descend from Mary BRANCH, aka Mary Martha? BRANCH, and husband, Thomas (1)
JEFFERSON, through their daughter, Martha JEFFERSON, who married (Colonel)
Robert (2) WYNNE, (son of Agnes STITH, (daughter of (Major) John STITH and
wife: Mrs. Jane MOSBY (GREGORY) (PARSONS) (STITH,)) and Agnes's husband,
Thomas WYNNE, (son of (Colonel) Robert (1) WYNNE and Mrs. Mary ?/SLOMAN??
(POYTHRESS,) (widow of Francis POYTHRESS.)

From Martha JEFFERSON and husband, (Colonel) Robert (2) WYNNE I descend
through their daughter, Lucretia WYNNE, who married Joseph Tudor TUCKER, (son
of Joseph TUCKER, (son of Robert (1) TUCKER and Elizabeth COLEMAN,) and
Martha "Patsey" COLSON,) and from Lucretia WYNNE and Joseph Tudor TUCKER I
descend through their daughter, Martha TUCKER, who married (Captain) Benjamin
BELL, (son of Hannah STOKES and John BELL, Jr., (son of John BELL, Sr. and
Ann BENNETT, (daughter of Richard BENNETT, Jr.,) through their daughter,
Martha Jefferson BELL, who married Samuel WALKER, (Rev.,) (RS,) etc..

Mary BRANCH, born: 1657 in Henrico Co., VA who md: abt. 1677/78 in Henrico
Co., VA and Thomas (1) JEFFERSON, great grandparents of (Pres.) Thomas
JEFFERSON and my information shows that Mary BRANCH has been correctly
identified as the daughter of Christopher BRANCH, II, son of Christopher
BRANCH, I and wife, Mary ADDIE, daughter of Francis ADDIE.

And Mary BRANCH's mother and the wife of Christopher BRANCH, II is THOUGHT to
be Sarah ALMOND, daughter of Samuel ALMOND/ALLMOND, but not proven as his
wife as far as I know at this time.

And after the death of Thomas (1) JEFFERSON, Mrs. Mary BRANCH (JEFFERSON)
married husb. # 2 who was named Joseph MATTOCKS and they married on 01 April
1701 in St. John's Church in Henrico Co., VA.

And this William BRANCH shown in your information below, I believe, is the
son of Christopher BRANCH, I and his wife, Mary ADDIE, daughter of Francis
ADDIE.

Christopher BRANCH, I was the son of Lionel BRAUNCHE and Valentia
SPARKES/SPARKS.
**********

Children of Christopher BRANCH, I and Mary ADDIE were:
(1.) Ephraim BRANCH
(2.) Thomas BRANCH,
...........born: 16 Aug 1619 in Jamestown, VA
...........bapt: May1620 Jamestown VA
...........died: 1694 in Varina, Henrico Co VA
...........md: Elizabeth GOUGH
(3.) William BRANCH
...........born: 1625 Henrico Co VA
...........died: 1677 Varina Parish, Henrico Co VA)
...........md: wife # 1: Jane HATCHER?
...........md: wife # 2: Jane BAILEY?
...............(not sure if this is the same Jane or not but with a married
name??)
(4.) Christopher BRANCH, II
...........born: 1627 Henrico Co VA
...........died: 1665 Charles City Co VA
...........md: ?Sarah ALMOND?
.......................mother: ??
.......................father: Samuel ALMOND/ALLMOND
...............(This Sarah ALMOND is said to have survived one of the early
................massacres with her brother by hiding in a trunk. Not much
info.
................and she is not, as far as I know at this time, proven to be
the wife
................of Christopher BRANCH, II but strong speculation that it is
so.)
************
and

Children of Christopher BRANCH, II and ?Sarah ALMOND/ALLMOND? include:

(1.) Mary Martha? BRANCH
...........born: 1657 Henrico County, Virginia
...........md: # 1 Thomas (1) JEFFERSON
...........md: # 2 Joseph MATTOCKS
(2.) Christopher BRANCH, III
...........md. Anne Sherman
(3.) Samuel BRANCH
...........born: 1663 in Henrico County, Virginia
...........died: 1700 in Henrico County, Virginia
...........m Ursula ?
(4.) Sarah BRANCH
(5.) Benjamin BRANCH
...........m Tabitha OSBPORNE
************

Back to Mary ADDIE and Christopher BRANCH, I:

Mary ADDIE
.....born: 1602 in Darton, York, England
.....died: 1681 in Virginia
.....md: 02 Sep 1619 in Westcheap, St. Peter's Westcheap, London, England
.....mother: ??
.....father: (Sir?) Francis ADDIE, aka ATLIE?
....................born: bef. 1580
....................died: ??
md: Christopher BRANCH, I
............born: 02 Sep 1602 in London, Middlesex, England
............died: 1681?/abt. 1627? in Henrico Co., VA
............md: 02 Sep 1619 in Westcheap, St. Peter's Westcheap, London,
England
............Notes for Christopher BRANCH, I
.....................Justice of Charles City Co., VA in 1637
.....................House of Burgesses Member in 1641
.....................md: 02 Sep 1619 in St. Peter's, Westcheap, London,
Middlesex, England
.....................mother: Valentia SPARKES/SPARKS
...........................born: 1601 in London, England
.....................father: Lionel BRAUNCHE
...........................born: 18 Aug 1566 in Abington, Berkshire,
England, (christened same day)
...........................died: 1605 in England
...........................md: 08 July 1596 at St. Martin's, Ludgate,
London, Middlesex, England
................................Notes: for Lionel BRAUNCHE
.....................................02 July 1585 Lionel BRAUNCHE, a
commoner,
.....................................matriculated Magdalen College at Oxford
University
.....................................and graduated 11 Feb 1590
...........................mother: C(K)atherine JENNINGS
............................................born: abt. 1556 in England
............................................died: bef. 25 Aug 1597
............................................buried: 25 Aug 1597 in St.
Helen's Church, Abington, Berkshire, England
............................................md: abt. 1556 in Abington,
Berkshire, England
............................................mother: Alice BRIGHT
.................................................mother: Isabel ?
.................................................father: Richard BRIGHT
............................................father: Thomas JENNINGS
.................................................born: 1516
.................................................died: bef. 15 May 1561 in
Abington/Abingdon, Berkshire, England
.................................................Notes for Thomas JENNINGS:
.....................................................Burgess from
Abingt(d)on, Berkshire, England
.....................................................(Info from Genealogies
of Virginia Families
.....................................................from the Virginia
Magazine of
.....................................................History and Biography,
Volume I,
.....................................................Adams-Chiles, Baltimore,
Genealogical Publishing Co.,
.....................................................and "WOODSON DESCENT
FROM ALFRED THE GREAT"
.....................................................published by Robert L.
THOMAS, M.D.)
.....................................................2nd son of an Abingdon,
Berkshire, England Draper and Burgess
.....................................................Will dated 08 April 1561
and 15 May 1561.
..................................................father: William JENNINGS
.................................................................(an
Abingdon, Berkshire, England Draper and Burgess)
.................................................................parents: ??
.................................................................mother:
Joan BOSTOCK
......................................................................born:
......................................................................died:
in Abingdon, Berkshire, England

Sincerely,

Bellinda Myrick - Barnett
information on your pages shows:
The Poythress Family

Entries: 4355 Updated: Mon Mar 4 21:44:37 2002 Contact: Diana Diamond <
aaaaadiamond@yahoo.com> Home Page: R_ Bolling Batte Papers Biographical
Card Files Collection Index

This DRAFT database charts descendants of Francis Poythress (P-1) and related
Virginia families. It is based on the work of the late R. Bolling Batte
(RBB). See the index cards at the Library of Virginia (LVA)
(http://image.vtls.com/collections/BA.html). Link above.

Index | Descendancy | Register | Pedigree | Ahnentafel | Add Post-em

ID: I0337
Name: Mary Branch 1
Sex: F

Father: William Branch
Mother: Jane Hatcher
*****		03/04/2002 6:07:41
The Virginia CompanyInteresting book on E-Bay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1523292604

However, not interesting enough for me to buy but the descriotion is fairly
comprehensive.

Maynard		03/09/2002 12:26:43
Interesting"Lancashire: Hundreds and Other Things," by Sherry Irvine, BA, CGRS,
FSA(Scot)
Of the four Lancashire CDs in the English Parish Records (EPR) series, three
contain the term 'hundreds' in the title. Other EPR titles stick to county
names, three mention dioceses, and Yorkshire has its 'ridings' -- North, East
and West. (Riding is derived from an Old English word meaning third part,
which explains why there never has been a 'south' riding.)

So what are 'hundreds?' Are there one hundred in a county? Do all counties
have them?

The best way to begin is with a definition. Hundreds were sub-divisions of
shires and counties, each with its own court. They were judicial, military,
and taxation units that emerged before William the Conqueror. Domesday Book
is arranged by counties and hundreds. Size varied, but the basis for drawing
up the hundreds of a county was pretty much the same everywhere. It was an
area that comprised one hundred families, or one hundred 'hides.' A hide
(also known as a carucate) was a measure of land--the amount required by one
free family and its dependents. This amount of land was defined in turn as
that which could be tilled by one plough and a team of oxen in one year.

The hundred was a practical division of local administration for a very long
time. Genealogists encounter hundreds in directories; they are listed in the
county sections within Samuel Lewis' Topographical Dictionary of England;
they appear on maps. Among the records arranged this way are hearth taxes in
the late 1600s and militia records of the 1700s.

This ancient division is not found in every county. The four extreme northern
counties of Cumberland, Westmorland, Durham, and Northumberland, were broken
up into wards. On the eastern side of England, the equivalent of a hundred is
the wapentake, a term which the Danes brought with them. Wapentakes are found
in Derbyshire, Leicestershire, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, Rutland, and
Yorkshire.

In several counties the hundred (or the wapentake) is a sub-division of a
unit that falls between it and the county. Yorkshire has its ridings,
Lincolnshire has three divisions (Lindsey, Kestevan, Holland); in the
southeast, Kent has 62 hundreds within five 'lathes' and Sussex has 66
hundreds within six 'rapes.'

Lancashire had six hundreds. There is something from all six of them among
these CDs and the pairings make geographic sense (there are two hundreds on
each of three CDs, and the fourth covers general sources and part of
Neighboring Westmorland). Salford (contains Manchester) and West Derby
(contains Liverpool) are the southern two, Blackburn and Leyland are in the
middle, Amounderness and Lonsdale, the northern pair including the part of
Lancashire across Morecambe Bay (now part of Cumbria).

For comparison, Cornwall had nine hundreds, Essex had twenty, and Norfolk had
thirty-three. The smaller divisions reflect the larger number of people per
square mile and the greater fertility of the land.

You cannot be a genealogist without an interest in and an affection for maps
of all sorts. Sooner or later, you will need to know in which hundred a
particular parish is located, or which hundreds need to be searched to
collect all entries of one surname in one type of record.		03/10/2002 6:06:09
Documt on descendants of Francis & Mary Poythress (a la R B Batte)Charles NealDiana,

Yes, I'd love to get a copy of your upcoming printed document on the
Descendants of Francis and Mary Poythress (based on R. Bolling Batte), when
you complete it in a few more weeks/months. Of course I'd be glad to send
you whatever amt for covering your reproduction and mailing. Thank you so
much for all this wonderful work you are doing that does so much to help so
many of us understand the big picture of Poythresses.

BPN



03/12/2002 3:38:45
My all inclusive chartDiana DiamondI offer to you on request my all-inclusive, multi-task Poythress chart.

I put together a chart to help me when working my database of the
descendants of Francis and Mary Poythress
(http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=poythressp1), which may
be of interest to some of you.

It uses the so-called Batte Section A chart (which I have altered from
what's on the website), and included the Batte lettering system overlaid in
red and added a couple of new Poythresses. I have tucked in a little aid to
understanding Jane Poythress Rolfe's relationship to Pocahontas and John
Bolling (B-2) A. I have also tucked in a slightly revised "B" chart, which
is based on my interpretation of Batte's index cards. I have listed along
the bottom, an alphabetical list of the Poythress family members in the R.
Bolling Batte universe and given them each letters as a kind of index.

I can print it on a very big piece of a paper (11X17) and mail it to you, or
send you an email copy.

Just need an address, email or snail mail if you want one. No charge, but
limited time only.

Also let me know if there would be any interest in a printed document of the
Descendants of Francis and Mary Poythress (based on R. Bolling Batte), when
I have completed my work in a few more weeks/months. At the present, it runs
about 150 pages, and there would have to be a small charge for reproduction
and mailing. I would not be looking to make money, just break even.

Diana		03/12/2002 8:33:50
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Fbound is capable of sending large amounts of e-mail but does not damage or
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and e-mail address. Then the virus loads itself into memory and sends copies of
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does it add or change any registry files. Once the worm has been run, it will
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Code within Fbound contains the following message: "I-Worm.Japanize."

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back on listCharles NealHi Teresa,

Welcome back to the List. As far as I know, yes, Lyn is still on the List
though he only catches up reading messages periodically (like every several
weeks, it seems).

If you'll look on the Poythress website, which is:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

and scroll down the left side to "17th Century Records" and then when the
window on the right side of your screen gets to all those 17th Century
records, scroll down, and in 1637 and 1639 you'll find mention of Laurence
Evans, merchant, there. I think the notation you found in the book
should've said "Francis" rather than "Thomas" (Possibly a typo or
transcription error). Anyway, you'll find info about it all there.

As to whether or not anyone is on the Batte chart, you can now easily check
it out yourself, thanks to wonderful work by Diana Diamond. See the below
copy of a message from Diana & see the Poythress-List Archives for other
recent messages on this subject. I believe the correct site is:

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=poythressp1

Welcome Back Teresa,
Barbara (BPN)
= = = = =
From: "Diana Diamond"
Old-To: "Poythress List"
Subject: More on The (P-1) Poythress Family
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:19:21 -0500
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

If the email I sent earlier doesn't engender some questions, then I haven't
done my job well. But to anticipate some questions, I would like to list
some highlights of my database at


Features:

- Fairly complete picture the Poythress family and descendants--nearly
all descendants, including Jane's--from 1609 through 1800, and for many of
them, through 1900.

- Fairly complete references to the Batte's index cards for each person
in the database in the target group. I provided a link to the RBB cards in
what is called "My Home Page." I encourage you to check my work.

- Fairly complete background of the spouses of the Poythress descendants,
for a few generations in many cases.

- I converted all the Eppes to Epes to make the alphabetical features of
computers work better. I used R. Bolling Batte's cards rather than Mr.
Dorman's book, "The Descendants of Francis Epes". I did this to keep the
work consistent. In a few cases, I made note of The Dorman book.

- Good linkage of families when cousins marry, which they do often.

- Less information about the individuals' occupations etc. Something I
hope to work on in the future. In my own FTM database, (which the produced
the gedcom, that rootsweb uses) I have the card images in my scrapbook to
refer to again and again. So if you have specific questions about
individuals, I hope to answer them easily.

- A serviceable system of identifying where there are problems and
questions.

- By having each card image handy to check and double check in my
personal FTM database, and by using Mr. Batte's own letter-ordering system,
I have a high degree of confidence I got the marriages and children entered
correctly. I expect some typos in the date sections, by the nature of how
they were entered. I am continuing to recheck these. Some of our people
have strange given names.

- At the moment, a fair amount of redundancy in identifying people, using
Mr. Batte's letter system. Perhaps in the future I will reduce this. It
was necessary to insure I had the right person when so many people have the
same names. A few times R. Bolling Batte had trouble keeping them straight.

- Inclusion of information on Mary Poythress's second family with Col.
Wynne.

- I am happy to add written notes to individuals you have researched and
give you credit.
Diana		03/15/2002 4:03:01
Poythress-List ArchivesCharles NealThere are 2 ways to search the Poythress-List archives:

(1) Archives for ALL messages:

http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl (note, this site ends in
the letter "L" not the number one)


(2)Threaded list archives - giving responses along with the original
messages they pertained to:

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/		03/15/2002 4:09:06
Change of mailing addressI am discontinuing my association with AOL.

SO .... Will all concerned please change my email address from AOL to:

<<< BPoythress@ec.rr.com >>>>



03/15/2002 7:32:45
StuffHi Royce, I'm John Poythress' father John Maynard Poythress. Glad to hear he
made contact with you.. I guess peddling boxes may be in the genes. I did
the crime in south Georgia 68-70, was sales mgr. in Dallas 70-72 and general
mgr. at Inland's Louisville plant from 72 to 97 when I retired. Figured I'd
been about as far west and as far north as I ever had a notion to go so I
just camped here in Louisville, did I guess an average job raising my kids
and otherwise tried to enjoy myself.

For several years a number of us have worked the Poythress genealogy but I
can't say with any NC sucess to amount to anything despite the fact that all
the demographics say there are more of us in NC than any other state with VA
and GA 2nd and 3rd or the other way around, I can't ever remember which.

Anyway, there are some 90+ of us on a reasonably active list-server although
only about 20 or 25 of us ever seem to go on the air, the rest being welcome
"lurkers". If you'd care to visit the site and just poke about I think you'd
enjoy it. We need Carolinians as there are only 3 or 4 on the list that I
ever hear from. The address is:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/poythressmaster.htm

.....I think you'll find it interesting and if you decide you want to join
the list-server discussion group, even if only to lurk, the instructions are
on the webpage. There is seldom more than one message a day so it doesn't
exactly spam your mailbox.

Again, nice making touch with you and hope we'll see you join the group.

Best regards,

Maynard Poythress		03/16/2002 2:23:27
Web tipDiana DiamondRobert Ragan's recent genealogy newsletter provides an interesting website
and a suggestion on finding and using obituaries to gain family history
information.

This is the site:

http://www.gebbieinc.com/dailyint.htm

I also like http://newslink.org/


Both provide a list of newspapers with internet versions.

Choose a state of interest to you, then a newspaper in the town you may
think has relatives; then obituaries, then archives. You can find the
reference on an explorer page with Control-F, once the page has loaded.
However, in my test case, Hopewell, VA, the Poythress was a street name.

Ragan's own site is http://amberskyline.com/treasuremaps/fhhindex.html.
His emails come with a lot of hype and promotion, but still most have
suggestions worth considering. This installment suggests how to read an
obituary, but I leave that part up to him. I know many of you already
subscribe.

Diana



03/16/2002 3:20:49
Sheryl....You have a new e-mail address?

c.s.townsend@world.att.net

is coming up blank.

Maynard



03/17/2002 5:30:36
Welcome back, TeresaHello, Teresa. Welcome back. Yes, I am still on the list, but very
quiet. We've been less active of late. Regarding Lewis, no progress
that I have noted. Lewis is still your "progenitor" (and mine). Maybe
you can bust the code for us. 🙂 If you have some time to spend in
Richmond at Library of Virginia, I think we would all appreciate some
work with the chancery court records that have just become indexed and
available on microfilm in the past two years. Lots of references to
Poythresses and allied families in Mecklenburg, Brunswick and Lunenburg
and we on the list have only scratched the surface of research on this
database. Oh, yes, the new grave markers are now up for your
great-grandparents and your twice-great-grandparents. I can send you
pictures if interested.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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03/17/2002 7:20:05
Re: Virginia Censuses for 1790 and 1800After a cursory glance, that Binns project is going to be dynamite for us.
They have not yet gotten to Lunenburg (we're not sure we're there anyway) and
Mecklenburg but they sure have nailed the rest: Charles City, Prince George,
Isle of Wight, Amelia, Brunswick, etc.

They have a ton of hits listed on that site so obviously a lot of people
appreciate the work they are doing and I am certainly one of them. The gist
of your e-mail sort of implied that you knew them and if so please tell them
they have rung the bell for yet another family.

Best,

Maynard

(http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/index.htm)








03/18/2002 4:41:50
Re: Lewis Poythress family gravesitesIn my welcome message to Theresa Willis, I remarked, "Oh, yes, the new
grave markers are now up for your great-grandparents and your
twice-great-grandparents. I can send you pictures if interested." Some
of you interpreted I was referring to Lewis Poythress. Actually, no, I
was referring to his son and grandson. However, that did prompt some
speculation in response, which I share with all below.

As most of you know, we cannot send attachments to the list. So if
others of you would like these pictures, just let me know individually.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:06:31 -0500 writes:
> Patti and Judy, this is in response to your requests for pictures of
> the Lewis Poythress gravesite. In short, we do not know for sure
> where he is buried. However, attached are photographs of a cemetery
> where he might be buried. This Poythress family cemetery contains
> the grave of Thomas M. Poythress, son of Lewis. It is located just
> a few steps from the site of the house (now demolished) in which
> Thomas M. Poythress resided. As you may know, Lewis Poythress gave
> his homestead to his two youngest sons, Thomas M. and Lewis Y.
> Lewis Y. soon left the area. Thomas M. remained. Although I have
> not done a complete study, circumstantial evidence indicates the
> farm on which this cemetery is located is the Lewis Poythress tract.
> I would conclude that is it very likely that Lewis was buried
> somewhere on this property and as likely in this cemetery as
> anywhere.
>
> As I recall, three rows, each containing four graves, are
> recognizable, marked with the characteristic small field stones and
> no inscriptions. There is one exception, the relatively late grave
> of Thomas A. Tanner has a monument with inscription. Through family
> memory, my mother and I were able to confirm the identities of six
> other people interred, including Thomas M. Poythress and his wife,
> Lucy Thomas. From other research we were able to draw conclusions
> on two others - sons Benjamin and Bennett. In 2000 we provided a
> monument for these nine - six adults, three infant children. Of
> course, that leaves at least three burials unidentified.
>
> For your interest, I have included a photograph of the house also.
> This was taken ca. 1980 after decades of neglect and use as a farm
> stable. A back wing is concealed. Perhaps portions of this
> structure dated to Lewis. Notice the double front doors. There was
> another pair of doors on the opposite side. In summer these four
> would be flung open to let the breezes through the central hallway.
>
> Sometimes people of this culture would abandon an "old place" on one
> part of the farm to build a new dwelling in another section, perhaps
> in response to changes in roads or tillage. Usually in such cases,
> the cemetery at the "old place" would be maintained and "patronized"
> long after the former dwelling was in ruins. The closeness of the
> cemetery to this house might hint that this house was itself the
> "old place" and therefore connected to Lewis. Put another way, the
> presence of a cemetery in the yard may indicate this is a
> significantly old house site.
>

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Cemeteries Web SiteIn this month's Georgia Genealogical Journal, Bob Davis' Q&A column:

Q: can you recommend a website for finding cemeteries?

A: there are several but one just brought to my attention is Cemetery
Junction at
www.daddezio.com/cemetery

I went there. The thing simply boggles the mind. Couple of downsides: 1)
obviously
they don't have them all but who does? My poking about would suggest that
it's hard to believe anyone has any MORE. 2) easy to search "by cemetery"
but no provision that I saw to search AN AREA by name. I would say cut this
corner by bringing up
the cemetery and then putting "Poythress" (or whatever) in the "find" block
under the "Edit" feature of MS Word.

This one is a dandy but doesn't look like it's going to be the easiest to
work with.

Maynard		03/18/2002 9:54:39
Re: Lewis Poythress family gravesitesCharles NealLyn,

Thank you so much for sharing your well-thought-out info on this.

BPN



03/19/2002 5:05:35
"STB"Excellent article from today's edition of Ancestry.com newsletter is below.
I really like the "STB" concept as opposed to just a "?" which could be
questioning a fact itself or merely a spelling. I think I'll plan to use
this convention to at least in part eliminate some of this confusion unless
somebody has a better idea.

Best,

Maynard


Ancestry Daily News
Patricia Law Hatcher, CG, FASG – 3/19/2002

STB—Three Letters to Avoid a Genealogical Pitfall

Several years ago I corresponded with one of those distant genealogical
cousins we find via mail (and now the Internet). He had heard that I told
another genealogical cousin there was no justification for naming our
ancestor's wife as Margaret Smith [I've changed the names]. William was
certainly married to a Margaret, and I believed she was probably the mother
of all of his children, but I had several reasons for thinking that she most
certainly was not a Smith. This new cousin told me he believed he had "pretty
good documentation." Hopeful that we would finally be able to resolve this, I
asked what the documentation was.

Eventually I received a charmingly frank letter from him. It was headed
"Recipes for Crow." The genealogical cousin had researched his notes to
discover it was a case of "he said, she said, all say, all think, all hope."
He was, as he said, "back to square one."

It's an easy trap to fall into, especially when the information comes from a
source from which we've gotten reliable information before, whether a
published genealogy or a correspondent.

As good genealogists, we follow the dictum to "document your sources."
Unfortunately, once we've entered the "source" into our word-processing file
or database, the fact that our information was secondary or tertiary, rather
than primary, is no longer prominently displayed, but is neatly tucked away
in tiny print or some hidden portion of our software.

I could empathize with my genealogical cousin. I'd done the same thing
myself. Fortunately, I had come up with a solution. I place the letters STB
(Said To Be) in front of every piece of information for which I don't have
what I consider an adequate source. (I type the letters STB as part of the
name or date field in a database.) For example, I might describe the wife of
Stephen Stone as any of the following:


Mary STB Jones

Mary Jones [license], STB daughter of William Jones

Mary Jones, daughter of William Jones, possibly by wife Phebe [will], STB
Phebe Brown

Mary, born 1821 in Kentucky [1850 census], STB 1 March 1821 in Barren County,
Kentucky

Notice that this notation is flexible and allows me to mix information from
primary records with STB information from secondary records so that I don't
lose it as a clue. At the same time, it never lets me forget that I haven't
really established it as fact.

Why Not Use A Question Mark?
There are two reasons that I do not use question marks to identify said-to-be
information. I generally reserve question marks for something questionable
found in an original source. For example, suppose a county marriage book says
that John Jones married Tabitha Tingle, but Tingle is not easy to read and
could quite possibly be Fengle or something else. I would mark Tingle with a
question mark. Or suppose the marriage book clearly says the wife is Ursula
Umphrat, but I've searched high and low and there is not an Umphrat family in
that county or in any adjoining county. Since young single women rarely moved
to the frontier alone, I would add a question mark to the surname.

The second reason I use STB instead of a question mark is that it clearly
telegraphs important information to me. The name or date or place has been
claimed by someone —I just don't have a primary document to support it. In
other words, I need to go look for the proof. That isn't at all the same as
questioning a piece of data.

Using STB As A Research Strategy
Let me reiterate what I said in the previous paragraph—I need to go look for
the proof. Sounds like a research plan to me! On one of my families, for
example, I wrote a narrative and genealogical summary, carefully flagging all
STB information. For good measure, I marked STB in bold. I took the printout
with me when I made a research trip to the Family History Library in Salt
Lake City. My research plan? To turn each STB into a documented statement.

This is not the same as simply doing research. STB tells me that SOMEone has
seen SOMEthing that suggests this is a true statement. Furthermore, it
provides specific data to focus and direct the research. For example, let's
say the STB is a marriage date for a couple. First, I will recheck the
marriage book, searching chronologically. I may have missed it for one of
several reasons; perhaps the record wasn't indexed or maybe the published
abstracts were only for the loose bonds. If I still don't find the record, I
will search all adjoining counties (remember, someone saw that date) and any
churches in the area. I will also search for Bible records, including those
for surnames of sons-in-law.

What if I don't find a document to clear the STB? I turn it into a statement
that says so (often in a footnote). "The marriage date is said to be 1 March
1838 [source], but no marriage record was located in Green or any surrounding
county, nor in other records searched [list of items searched]."

Did I clear all the STBs on my trip to Salt Lake City? No. In following up on
the clues offered by a couple of the STBs, I solved an interesting puzzle
that begged to be turned into an article. In other words, I got sidetracked!
I still have STBs to research.

These three little letters, STB, can be very powerful in helping us avoid
pitfalls–and they can help us improve our research focus.

Patricia Law Hatcher, CG, FASG, is a technical writer, instructor, and
professional genealogist. She has written, edited, and produced numerous
publications and has written articles for The American Genealogist, The Maine
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Screven County MapI had three copies of the Screven County map left over, asked the listowner
for permission to post a "commercial" and she was most helpful, realizing
that a bunch of people have been trying to locate this map for a long, long
time. I think the Archives is quietly keeping it under wraps because they
don't have a 36" x 42" copier and have to go to a blueprint shop, get big
mailing tubes, etc. just like I did.

Anyway, I put it on the Screven Board that I had 3 left and within literally
10 minutes they were spoken for. With that kind of demand for what is
apparently viewed, in some sense, as a "rarity" I told the board I'd do it
again. I'm backing up orders 15 or so thus far. Will go downtown and make
another run on 4/1 and do the mailing 4/2 or 4/3.

Just in case anyone has changed their minds and wants a copy they will be
available for one more shot with a check before 4/1 at which time I plan to
exit a business I never intended to get into in the first place.

Best,

Maynard		03/23/2002 9:13:54
"STB"Charles NealMaynard, thanks so much for sharing this article by Patricia Law Hatcher.
I really like that concept & plan to begin using it, too.
BPN



03/24/2002 5:26:09
MuirCurtis, I think I have a thread for us to pull on.

Any "chart" that I would have sent to anybody is almost certainly the R.
Bolling Batte chart of "Early Poythress family in Virginia." If I haven't
already sent you a copy of that I'd be pleased to do so. The chart is also
on the Poythress web site
(http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/poythressmaster.htm)

Go to the Poythress site above and click on sub-heading "Studies and Charts".
The last two entries under the R. Bolling Batte title are the chart itself
(it's in Acrobat so you'll need to download Acrobat but it's free anyway and
so much is done in Acrobat I'd be surprised if you don't already have it).
Magnify down the chart from Francis
(the immigrant m. Mary ______ and first on the chart), Francis's son John m.
Christian Peebles, their son William m. Sarah Epes, their son William m. 1)
Mary Eppes and 2)________. Their daughter Mary (# 252 3) is shown as
unmarried.

NOW, go back to the top of those 4 Batte "entries" and the top two are
"text". The first one is a tanscription of Mr. Batte's text which supposedly
matches the chart.
BINGO: "Mary Poythress (252 3) m. Francis Muir of Dinwiddie County." Mr.
Batte, the rascal, put it in his text but left it off the chart. The second
Batte entry is a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet put together by Lyn Baird who is
a member of our group. Lyn was obviously and correctly working off the
"text" of Mr. Batte rather than the chart because Lyn also accounted for
Mary's marriage to Francis Muir.

Since "Mary" was the name of William's first wife Mary Epes, I would also
speculate that this newly found Mary is probably the daughter of first wife
Mary Epes Poythress.

As for the "slash" on Martha's chart, I can only say that is Martha's "style"
when she comes to an issue that has a couple of options.....I seldom use that
convention so I'd say that part came from Martha. But in this case, there
now are no alternatives, we have the lady identified, at least according to
Batte and typically he is solid gold.

At this point I am somewhat lost because I never had a handle on the Muir
name until now. Would you be so kind as to sketch out where that Francis
and Mary P. Muir line goes (or where you THINK it goes) from here? I would
very much appreciate it. Maybe we now have the opportunity to put this line
together.

Best,

Maynard		03/25/2002 9:49:27
Poythress-Tanner cemetery locationBless my absent mind; a question from Patti caused me to realize that I
had failed to mention the location of the cemetery. The site is in
Virginia, far eastern edge of Mecklenburg County, town of Blackridge.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:16:53 -0500 writes:
In my welcome message to Theresa Willis, I remarked, "Oh, yes, the new
grave markers are now up for your great-grandparents and your
twice-great-grandparents. I can send you pictures if interested." Some
of you interpreted I was referring to Lewis Poythress. Actually, no, I
was referring to his son and grandson. However, that did prompt some
speculation in response, which I share with all below.

As most of you know, we cannot send attachments to the list. So if
others of you would like these pictures, just let me know individually.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:06:31 -0500 writes:
Patti and Judy, this is in response to your requests for pictures of the
Lewis Poythress gravesite. In short, we do not know for sure where he is
buried. However, attached are photographs of a cemetery where he might
be buried. This Poythress family cemetery contains the grave of Thomas
M. Poythress, son of Lewis. It is located just a few steps from the site
of the house (now demolished) in which Thomas M. Poythress resided. As
you may know, Lewis Poythress gave his homestead to his two youngest
sons, Thomas M. and Lewis Y. Lewis Y. soon left the area. Thomas M.
remained. Although I have not done a complete study, circumstantial
evidence indicates the farm on which this cemetery is located is the
Lewis Poythress tract. I would conclude that is it very likely that
Lewis was buried somewhere on this property and as likely in this
cemetery as anywhere.

As I recall, three rows, each containing four graves, are recognizable,
marked with the characteristic small field stones and no inscriptions.
There is one exception, the relatively late grave of Thomas A. Tanner has
a monument with inscription. Through family memory, my mother and I were
able to confirm the identities of six other people interred, including
Thomas M. Poythress and his wife, Lucy Thomas. From other research we
were able to draw conclusions on two others - sons Benjamin and Bennett.
In 2000 we provided a monument for these nine - six adults, three infant
children. Of course, that leaves at least three burials unidentified.

For your interest, I have included a photograph of the house also. This
was taken ca. 1980 after decades of neglect and use as a farm stable. A
back wing is concealed. Perhaps portions of this structure dated to
Lewis. Notice the double front doors. There was another pair of doors
on the opposite side. In summer these four would be flung open to let
the breezes through the central hallway.

Sometimes people of this culture would abandon an "old place" on one part
of the farm to build a new dwelling in another section, perhaps in
response to changes in roads or tillage. Usually in such cases, the
cemetery at the "old place" would be maintained and "patronized" long
after the former dwelling was in ruins. The closeness of the cemetery to
this house might hint that this house was itself the "old place" and
therefore connected to Lewis. Put another way, the presence of a
cemetery in the yard may indicate this is a significantly old house site.


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Pictures of Robert Wynne and his fatherDiana DiamondSee

http://web.utk.edu/~garywynn/Stuff2/Wynneage.html

Diana

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HelloMy name is Patricia (Elaine) Poythress Criddle. My father is David Franklin
Poythress born Meridian MS. My Grandfather was Carlos Hutton Poythress born



03/29/2002 4:45:08
HelloMy computer has a ghost I think. Don't ask me what just happened. As I was
saying I am Patricia (Elaine) Poythress Criddle. My father is David Franklin
Poythress born in Meridian Mississippi, Grandfather was Carlos Hutton
Poythress born in Sumterville, Alabama and My Great Grandfather was James
Speed Poythress born around Petersburg, Virginia.

I am looking forward to hearing from descendants of this line and exploring
our family history.
Sincerely,
Elaine Criddle



03/29/2002 4:54:10
Hello & welcome Elaine, on James Speed Poythress lineCharles NealWelcome aboard, Elaine. I know we have several of your cousins within the
James Speed Poythress descendancy line on our List & hope each of them will
contact you.

I am curious to see that you listed your grandfather as "Carlos" rather
than as "Carl" as I had always seen his name before. Is that based on his
name in some particular record(s), or is it more a matter of what name he
went by (while having a different name in records)?

I am also curious to see that you mentioned James Speed Poythress was born
"around Petersburg, Virginia." I would be curious to hear how you knew of
that birth location, because that is the same way the place of birth was
described in one record for my great-grandfather's sister -- she & all her
siblings & their parents (James E. Poythress & his wife, Catherine Speed
Preston) all moved to Sumter County, AL in 1853 from Mecklenburg County,
VA. (And someone had once said that they thought James E. P's nephew,
James Speed Poythress, made that move with the family, though I've not
found any proof of that). On the JEP family record, their births were
shown as Mecklenburg Co, Va.

Again, welcome -
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)
= = = = =

From: Denver145@aol.com
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:54:10 EST
Subject: Hello
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

. . . As I was saying I am Patricia (Elaine) Poythress Criddle. My father
is David Franklin Poythress born in Meridian Mississippi, Grandfather was
Carlos Hutton Poythress born in Sumterville, Alabama and My Great
Grandfather was James Speed Poythress born around Petersburg, Virginia.

I am looking forward to hearing from descendants of this line and exploring
our family history.
Sincerely,
Elaine Criddle		03/29/2002 10:04:07
RE: Hello & welcome Elaine, on James Speed Poythress lineThanks for your tip Barbara. It will take me some time to learn how all this
works. H Hopefully this will work.

In the Poythress/ Raiford Bible it is listed as Carlos Hutton Poythress. I
don't think he went by anything other than Carl. In my baby book Family
Tree it is listed that my Great Granddad James Speed Poythress was born in
Petersburg. I don't who told my Mom that. It might have something in the
Bible Pages or my Grandparents could have told her that.
Elaine



03/30/2002 1:23:30
A Mecklenburg Connection?Diana DiamondIn the interest of the Georgia Poythresses looking for
something in Mecklenburg County, VA, to connect you
back to Francis, I did word search of my FTM database,
and came up with the following people who had a
Mecklenburg Connection:

Thomas Poythress Atkinson
Edward Jones
Archibald Algernon Campbell
James Murray
Sarah Bolling Tazewell
Grief Green
John C. Knox
Theoderick Bland Ruffin
Susan Murray

Not all these folks are that closely connected to the
main family, but perhaps one of them will strike a
chord or get you looking at your families:)

My current strategy to find some of my missing
Virginians is to analyze all the children's names and
see if any don't seem to be in the known families, and
then search the web and library for similar names.
And when I find them, I work back to see if a case can
be made for why they might be related. Location is of
course a big factor.

My database, based on the index cards of R. Bolling
Batte, is located at WORLDCONNECT

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=poythressp1


or if you prefer to access it from ANCESTRY.COM

http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=poythressp1

Diana

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RE: Hello & welcome Elaine, on James Speed Poythress lineCharles NealElaine, it worked fine this time. Sending response messages to the whole
list works best, so all can follow the thread of the discussion. Thanks
for the info.

Hope all our Listers have had a good Easter -
BPN



03/31/2002 6:27:13
James Speed Line ( Check My Train Of Thought)Hello to all. I have been busy checking all the Research and Information on
the Poythress Genealogy site. Wow!!! You fellow Researchers have been busy
the past few years. I am going to have to buy stock in the printer paper
industry. Thanks to all of you who came before me. It helps us Newcomers,
have an easier time, connecting the dots.

I would appreciate it, if some of you who have been doing this for awhile,
would check the direction I am going.

1. Thomas James Poythress (assorted court
and estate
records linking him as father of ):

2. Lewis Poythress - m. Elizabeth (Patsey)
Giles (assorted
court, estate, and Rosehill Cemetery
burial records siting
DOB of David, thus linking these as
parents of):

3. David E. Poythress- m. Mary Speed Dortch
(assorted
court, and Letters of Administration of
the estate of David,
linking him as father of):

4. James Speed Poythress-m. Martha Grice
Raiford
(wedding invitation of JSP's son,
funeral record of JSP,
further linking him as son of David)

Am I close? Your expert opinion and reasoning will be appreciated. Also, if
any of you have actual copies of any wills, estate records, wedding
invitations and burial/funeral records, of the above mentioned, I would
forever be indebted if you would send me copies. If you do have any of these
records please let me know and I will give you my Snail Mail Address. I will
gladly pay for your time, postage and copies.

Elaine Criddle		04/05/2002 5:31:56
Poythress/Raiford BibleWe are almost finished transcribing the Poythress/Raiford Bible pages. I was
unable to get legible copies from the terrible copies I have. I will get
better copies when I go to the reunion in July. If you would like copies of
the transcribed pages let me know or if I can download them into my computer
and attach to an email for the Poythress -L list let me know if that would
work also. I am still learning about our Website.

Elaine



04/09/2002 5:01:44
Re: Poythress/Raiford BibleCharles NealElaine,

Yes, thanks - your message with the attached transcription arrived when I
went online sending out my message asking for it. Sorry that I had not
checked for more recent messages before trying to respond to your earlier
email saying that the transcription was "almost done." (Still catching up
with accumulated email...)

Thanks so much.
Barbara
= = = =
I sent them attached to an email. Did you receive it. If it didn't work,
I will mail them to you. Let me know.



04/12/2002 1:22:43
Poythress/Raiford BibleCharles NealI'd love to get copies of the transcribed pages -- Thanks so much for the
offer! (Sorry for the delay in this response, but have been out of town &
have lots to catch up on.)

Does our List-Meister or our guru, or anyone else, know how to correct the
misspelling and get rid of the extra "o" before the "L" in "Geneaology" as
it appears in the Mailing List's trailer-message which appears just below
Elaine's name, in the below copy of her message?

Thanks, BPN
= = = = =

From: Denver145@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 11:01:44 EDT
Subject: Poythress/Raiford Bible
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

We are almost finished transcribing the Poythress/Raiford Bible pages. I
was unable to get legible copies from the terrible copies I have. I will
get better copies when I go to the reunion in July. If you would like
copies of the transcribed pages let me know or if I can download them into
my computer and attach to an email for the Poythress -L list let me know
if that would work also. I am still learning about our Website.

Elaine
==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Geneaology Research Web
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		04/12/2002 11:08:14
Pics, etc.Elaine, I only got the first page and would appreciate the following pages.

In your list of 5 papers related to individuals, all of them seem to be the
"Alabama" line. However, you show as # 1 "Thomas James P". My question is:
is this an Alabama guy or is this the Thomas Poythress who went from Burke
Co., GA from Brunswick Co., VA bringing with him sons (one from Mecklenburg)
and probably a nephew. A Martha Dixon who visits the site from time to time
cites him (the Burke County guy) as Thomas James Poythress but she is the
only one I have known to do so. This fellow would have been born about 1740
and died 1800 while in office as Sheriff of Burke County GA.

I guess the question is whether the one to whom you refer is the Burke County
guy or does the Alabama line actually have a Thomas James Poythress who is
unquestionably carrying a middle name of James? There is no evidence to even
suggest that T. P. of Brunswick Co, VA ever left Burke County, GA once he got
there.

Best,

Maynard		04/14/2002 9:35:42
Thomas James PoythressGeorgia EllisonI'm replying to the discussion regarding Thomas James Poythress. I have been asked before if I have proof for this name. I do not have proof. I am a researcher for the Dixon and Ellison families in Burke County, GA. I think it is of interest that Martha Elizabeth Amanda Poythress, daughter of Thomas James (?) Poythress, named a son Thomas James. Another of MEA"s sons, William, named a son, Thomas James, and a daughter, Amanda. Thomas James Dixon named a daughter, Martha. For what it's worth, just thought I would bring up that Thomas James was a name that stayed in the family.




04/14/2002 10:17:58
Richard PoythressCould someone tell me if Thomas M. Poythress also had a son named Richard
Poythress who married Rosa A. Benton?

Thanks,
Elaine



04/14/2002 11:09:27
Question of father of Lewis Poythress & request re David's line sourcesCharles NealI'm putting this to the whole List, because there are other people
interested in these questions & others on the List who may have info about
some of these particular questions Elaine was asking about. We all benefit
by sharing our pooled knowledge on such questions as these. (Below my
message, is a copy of the pertinent content from the messages that began
this discussion, which were sent off-List to several of us from our
recently-welcomed new List-member Elaine Criddle, Denver145@aol.com)

Thanks for the clarification, Elaine, on what all you were requesting.
We're plenty patient & just appreciate having new Poythress
researching-cousins join us -- We all keep learning how to ask better
questions & how to get better specific detail in this researching process.

I don't think I have *any* source records on the Thomas Poythress who went
to Burke Co, GA. Maynard is our person most familiar with him. I also do
not even recall that we had any source records that authoritatively proved
(whether by circumstantial evidence or something more direct) that the
Thomas Poythress who moved to Burke County *was* for sure the father of
Lewis Poythress, but I would sure would welcome becoming convinced &
learning about any such proof of that, too, if I've missed something in
that regard.

I do not recall having seen any middle initial ("E" or otherwise) before
for David Poythress, father of James Speed Poythress; what was the source
for the middle initial?

BPW, I know that David was your ancestor, so I'll ask you, too: do you
have him with any middle initial, and if so what was the source document
that included the middle initial?

If no one has a scanned copy available of the Warren County, NC,
January1877 "Application for Letters of Administration of the estate of
David Poythress," I can snail-mail to Elaine a photocopy of the photocopy I
was sent back in 1998 by Jim Richardson of Richmond. (It does not show any
middle initial for David, by the way.)

Re the request for a "burial record" of David Poythress: He is buried in
Elmwood Cemetery, in Henderson, Vance County, NC, and several of our List
members (not including me) have seen his marker there. His marker does not
seem to photograph very well due to its age. One List-member, BPW, had
gotten the following info from the marker back in 1989: David Poythress,
born January 26, 1800, died Sept 26, 1876. (BPW, please correct me if I
have any of the parts of those dates wrong here.)

Another List-member, Lyn (Lyn Poythress Baird), had gotten a photocopy back
in 1997 or maybe earlier of a handwritten card from Elmwood Cemetery's
records. I can send a photocopy of it to Elaine if Lyn isn't online these
days & able to send a scanned copy of it. If Lyn had found any other
records when he visited the cemetery, I'm sure he would've mentioned it.
This card does not show the name of the cemetery, and indeed doesn't show
very much helpful info, since the cemetery apparently didn't put dates on
their cards until the middle of the 1900s, but at least it identifies the
names of the people buried in the cemetery's lot #142. The card, in its
entirety, shows the following 8 lines handwritten on it:
- 142 Poythress
- India Poythress
- David Poythress
- Chas Poythress
- 1-- No Marker--
- Mrs. R.L. Mustian 11-15-46 [this would be 1946]
- Robert Lee [at least I think the faint middle name showing is "Lee"]
Mustian 5-30-69 [this would be 1969]
- Jane Mustian 11-7-85 [this would be 1985]

Thanks so much, Judy, for scanning copies of the funeral records that
Elaine wanted for James Speed Poythress & his wife Mattie Raiford Poythress
& the wedding invitations for JSP's sons she wanted; since I don't have a
scanner I particularly appreciate you doing that. If you could please
email me, too, scanned copies of each of those items (attached to separate
email messages, so the "per message" size doesn't get so huge) I sure would
greatly appreciate it. Having such treasures electronically can be a great
benefit. (Elaine, these funeral records are the same ones that I had said
I would photocopy & mail to you, so it looks like there is now no need for
me to do that.)

I hope others of our Listers will add any pertinent info they may have re
these matters.
Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)
= = = =
Following is most of the content from the pertinent messages that began
this discussion, which were sent off-List to several of us from:
Elaine Criddle (Denver145@aol.com)
Re message from Elaine (of David Poythress line) re Checking and Favor

Original message read, in part: I would appreciate photocopies of these if
you have them.
1. Estate records and/or Letter of Administration of Thomas James P.
2. Estate records and/or Letter of Administration of David E. P.
3. Burial Records of David E. P.
4. Wedding invitation of James Speed P. son, found in Twisdale belongings.
5. Funeral and/or Burial record of James Speed P. and Mattie Raiford P.

If you have any of these, please let me know, and I will give you my
Address. I will gladly pay for the copies and postage.

Then the further-clarifying message read, in part:
>The David E. Poythress I was referring to is David E. of NC, originally
from Mecklenberg, VA. He was father of James Speed Poythress.

>Thomas James Poythress is the father of Lewis Poythress. Thomas James
moved to Burke Co., GA, he came from Mecklenberg, VA. He was the Sheriff
of Burke County, GA for a short time.

>I was asking if anyone had copies of the Letter of Administration on the
estate of David E. Poythress, which names James Speed Poythress, as his
son.

>I was asking if anyone had copies of a Will or Letter of Administration on
the estate of Lewis Poythress, son of Thomas James Poythress, who remained
in Virginia.

>Ditto above, except on the estate of Thomas James Poythress.

>Ditto above, except on the estate of James Speed Poythress. Also, the
wedding invitations of the sons of James Speed Poythress, found in the
possession of Indiana Twisdale Poythress and the funeral record of James
Speed Poythress which list David Poythress as his father.

>Hope this clears up my email of yesterday. I need to get use to giving
more specific detail. Be patient, I will get better.

>I thank you for any photocopies you can send me. Please let me know what
I owe you.
>Have a GREAT day.
> Elaine		04/15/2002 5:19:08
Thomas, George, LewisBarbara, I guess I'd be inclined to say this one is a "for sure." We "know"
Thomas was the father of George through numerous documents. And then we
"know" that
George (dying in FL) is the brother of Lewis via the explicit relationship
cited in George's will. True, it is possible that Lewis could have had
"another" Thomas as his father but I'd think that one fairly unlikely the way
the ages lined up.

However, Georgia Ellison makes the point that those folks clung to that name
Thomas as if it were a life jacket. Same for Francis and John. Aaaargh.
Who knows?

I'm sending Elaine a copy of my Thomas time line and if anyone else sniffing
down this trail thinks it would help just ask and I'll shoot you a copy too.

And Barbara (IMPORTANT) thanks again for the admonishment to all to keep
these "conversations" on the LIST SERVER even if one is asking a specific
question and even if it's directed to a specific individual. I'm as guilty
as any and the net result is that someone new comes along with a constructive
addition after several private e-mails are swapped.....thus either missing
the question entirely or having to be brought up to speed. A big Mea Culpa
for all.....go and sin no more .

Maynard



04/15/2002 7:16:42
Re: David PoythressBarbara,
This is in reply to your questions directed to me about David Poythress:

BPW, I know that David was your ancestor, so I'll ask you, too: do you
have him with any middle initial, and if so what was the source document
that included the middle initial?

Yes, I found David listed as David E.Poythress in a Mecklenburg Deed dated 12
Jan . 1842. p. 459 and 460 Reel # 0032545.

******************************************************************************

**************


Re the request for a "burial record" of David Poythress: He is buried in
Elmwood Cemetery, in Henderson, Vance County, NC, and several of our List
members (not including me) have seen his marker there. His marker does not
seem to photograph very well due to its age. One List-member, BPW, had
gotten the following info from the marker back in 1989: David Poythress,
born January 26, 1800, died Sept 26, 1876. (BPW, please correct me if I
have any of the parts of those dates wrong here.)

Yes, these are the dates on the his marker, but his age is listed as 44 on
the 1850 census and 53 on the 1860 census which would make his birth year
around 1810.


Best,
Barbara (BPW)		04/16/2002 5:51:05
Regarding E. In David's NameThanks to all of you for the copies of documents and pics.

The reason I referred to David P. and David E. Poythress is because , I saw
him listed that way on other emails that were submitted to the Poythress
List, thus thought some of you had seen him as David E. on a/some
documents. I have never seen any actual document that had him listed as
David E. If any have documents with him listed as David E.Poythress, I would
like copies of them or like to know in what records he is listed as David E.
Poythress.

Elaine





04/16/2002 6:52:32
Poythress-Raiford BibleCharles NealThanks again so much, Elaine, for making your Aunt's
computer-script-fonted-translation of the Poythress-Raiford Bible
available.

I would like to (as soon as I have time to do so) prepare a
pure-text-font-email-version of the basic info in that Bible, for those who
have trouble receiving large email attachments. I will of course email you
a copy of what I prepare, so that you (or your Aunt) can check my
text-version against the original, to make sure I have correct info.
However, I would like to also include the following information that we
all need when we are citing Bible records as a source. Thus, if you could
please let us know these following things it would not only help in my
preparing said version, but it also would help all of us in properly citing
your Aunt's lovely transcription that you so graciously shared with us:

- In the case of her holding only photocopies from the original Bible, a
lot of the below info may not have been copied, but some of the things
listed here can be commented on, such as the last item below.
- If photocopies, please indicate at least roughly when your Aunt received
the photocopies & from whom, such as "Photocopied by Susie Doe prior to
1952, from the original Bible then in possession of Jeremiah Doe"
- the complete title of the particular Bible from the title page, if that
is available
- the version of the Bible, which is probably included in the complete
title ("King James Version" etc)
- the name of the publisher & the city of publication (or a statement that
this is not in the photocopies, or in the Bible, if it isn't. NOTE that
sometimes this info is found on the beginning page for the New Testament or
in tiny print at the bottom of the first of the Family pages, rather than
in the front of the volume)
- the year of publication (or a statement that this info is not in the
photocopies, or in the Bible, if it isn't. Again, this info may be found
on the beginning page of the New Testament, or on the Family pages)
- the name(s) of the original owner of the Bible, if known
- any inscription(s) of the original owner's name (such as: The inside
front cover is inscribed "Purchased by Hezekiah Smith for $10.00 from a
Bible salesman, 3 January 1832")
- the name & at least the city & state (if not complete address) of the
current holder of the photocopies or of the Bible, as of some certain date
(such as "Owned in April 2002 by John Doe, 1234 Oak Street, Anytown,
California 99999")
- the trail of all those who have possessed the Bible/photocopies, if
known, such as "The Smith Family Bible was passed down from Hezekiah Smith
to his daughter Mary (Smith) Doe, to her son John Doe" OR "This photocopy
of family information from the Smith Family Bible was passed down from Jane
(Smith) Adams to her daughter Mary (Adams) Brown."
- any statement about the current condition of the photocopies/original,
such as "In April 2002 pages are darkened and are too fragile to allow
handling"
- any statement possible about the appearance of the entries themselves,
describing whether all of them appear to have been recorded in the
handwriting of one person versus more than one person, and whether the inks
varied (indicating that they were recorded at different times). And
certainly if you &/or your Aunt recognize the handwriting of some/all of
the entries as appearing to be in the handwriting of some particular
person, that could also be noted, such as "appears to be in the handwriting
of Jane (Smith) Doe"

Thanks so much, Elaine, for any further help you can give with this info.
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I hit the wrong button, so am now forwarding to the List. Someday I will get
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Barbara and Fellow List Members,



I am the one with the photocopies of the pages. (Terrible copies) to say the
least. I loaned them to Aunt Frankie to transcribe. She is a better typist
than I. I will rephotocopy the pages in July when I go to Laurel, MS for a
family reunion. I also plan on going through some old papers and things that
were my grandfather Carl's and see if I find anything of interest. I hope
to be able to send you all a copy of the original pages. I am sure there are
some errors with the initials on the pages. The B's G's and S's all look
alike. If you compare the names on the letter from Nedra, which list alot of
the names on the Bible pages, you can come up with the correct initial.

The photocopies were made for me by my cousin, Carlyn Geiger, daughter of
Nedra Poythress Geiger, daughter of Carl Hutton Poythress,son of James Speed
Poythress and Mattie Raiford, in 1999. The bible was in possession of Nedra
in Laurel, MS until she passed away last year and is now in the possession of
Carlyn in Laurel, MS. I am almost sure the Bible had been in the possession
of my grandfather Carl while he was alive. I will make inquiries to try and
find out and I will email my cousin to get dates of the publication and other
info you are requesting. If I don't hear back from her, I will get that info
myself at the reunion.

Elaine


--part1_18b.684b573.29edf307_boundary--		04/16/2002 11:35:03
Nifty new programGo to www.atomica.com and download.

Then, when you see word on screen that you wish clarified, pronounced, list
of nuanced meanings, spelling, etc., just put your cursor (or I-beam) over
the word, hold it down, and click on alt key. Up pops all the details.

And it's free, runs quietly in the background and you don't even know its
there.

Only downside is you have to be on-line to use it because the program "goes
to fetch" the word in question. If you are running on DSL or Cable Modem
that's not a problem because technically you are "always" on line even if you
aren't hooked to your ISP.

Maynard



04/17/2002 4:54:31
Fwd: Poythress-Raiford BibleCharles NealElaine, thank you so much for the further info about your photocopies of
the family pages from the Poythress-Raiford Bible. Great to hear that in
July you'll be able to get new copies of all the pertinent pages (including
the title page, too, this time).

I also am grateful that you plan, while you are in Laurel, Mississippi, to
go thru the old papers and things that belonged to your grandfather Carl
Hutton Poythress, to see if you can find additional info of interest. Even
finding any items that are about more distant then-current relatives who
didn't bear the name of "Poythress" can turn out to give us good links to
other Poythress lines (children of Poythress daughters in other lines).

Thanks again.
BPN



04/17/2002 8:44:45
Re: Mother of David Poythress DilemmaWhen I visited the cemetery in 1992 I did a chalk impression of David's
headstone and read it as 1800. So it does bring into question which date is
correct, this or the census records. I lean towards Rebecca Taylor too for
the same reason you do.

BPW		04/18/2002 2:25:45
Mother of David Poythress DilemmaCharles NealElaine -

Ah, yes - you are discovering first-hand some of the knotty problems that
keep all of us from blithely "finishing" our family's genealogy

I, too, tend toward Rebecca Taylor as being his mother due to the Edward
Giles will that doesn't mention him, but I also try to stay open to him
having been born in 1800. BPW, refresh my memory again, please, as to
exactly how we know for sure from your side of the family that David's
father was Lewis?

My vantage point in trying to determine the birth year for David is
complicated somewhat by the fact that my own g-g-grandfather, James E.
Poythress was born in Mecklenburg Co, VA on 13 Aug 1803. (In my family's
record, which was apparently begun at the time of his marriage to
Catherine S. Preston in Feb 1828, James' own birthdate & place are listed,
but the identities of his father & mother are not listed.)

Thus *if* James E Poythress was child of Lewis Poythress & Rebecca B.
Taylor who married in Apr 1802, and assuming David is a son of Lewis, then
David was either born by the earlier wife Patsey Giles, or David was born
after 1803...

Maybe the person who chiselled David's gravemarker made a "typo" and put
1800 when it should've been 1806 (the census' calculated birthdate) and the
family never fixed the marker. (They made an error on my own father's
marker & I insisted that it be re-done; turns out they just turned it over
& re-chiselled the other side of the same marker with the correct date -
bet that will confuse somebody someday) But even so, to me an error left
in David's marker seems a little less plausible than him actually having
been born in 1800.

So then I circle back around to wondering why David wasn't mentioned in the
Edw Giles will, and wondering how sure it is that Lewis was David's father
(and of course again wondering if Lewis was the father of James E
Poythress).

Frustrating -
BPN
== = = =

Message text written by INTERNET:POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>
Since there are varying birth years for David Poythress, (1800 Grave
Marker) and (1806 VA 1850 census) listing him as 44 yrs. old, that raises
the question as to who is his mother. Is he the youngest child of Lewis
and Patsey Giles d. before 4/9/1802 or is he the second child of Lewis and
Rebecca B. Taylor, who married Lewis 4/9/1802? I would really like your
vote on this one and your reasoning. I am leaning toward Rebecca Taylor
being his mother, because David wasn't mentioned in the Edward Giles will,
as were John and Edward Poythress.

Elaine
<		04/18/2002 4:13:45
Children Sent to America Before The Mayflower!Cliff and Sheryl Townsend-----Original Message-----
From: First Families [mailto:firstfamilies@linkline.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 4:44 PM
To: KENTUCKIANA-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: [KENTUCKIANA-L] Children Sent to America Before The Mayflower!


Hello Everyone:

We have posted a list of early VA immigrants that should be of help to
those of you who may be having problems with establishing your early lines
there.

This concerns the Children Ordered Sent to Virginia 1618-1642 and contains
a listing of 468 children, including 337 before the Mayflower landed in
1620!

This would represent many thousands of lines!

You will find the list located on the web site at;

http://www.linkline.com/personal/xymox/

AOL members may have to copy and paste the URL to access the site.

Once you get there you will be looking for the link Family Pages Index which
you will enter.

On the Family Index Page enter CHILDREN SENT TO VA 1618-1642.

Enjoy

Harold Oliver
America's First Families		04/18/2002 11:21:07
Mother of David Poythress DilemmaSince there are varying birth years for David Poythress, (1800 Grave Marker)
and (1806 VA 1850 census) listing him as 44 yrs. old, that raises the
question as to who is his mother. Is he the youngest child of Lewis and
Patsey Giles d. before 4/9/1802 or is he the second child of Lewis and
Rebecca B. Taylor, who married Lewis 4/9/1802? I would really like your vote
on this one and your reasoning. I am leaning toward Rebecca Taylor being his
mother, because David wasn't mentioned in the Edward Giles will, as were
John and Edward Poythress.

Elaine		04/18/2002 12:15:56
Richard Poythress-Rosa Benton & Thomas M. Poythress?Charles NealElaine,

I'm not clear on who or where or when either of these men mentioned in your
below message, lived? (And if you got any responses off the List that
would answer your original question, would appreciate seeing those, too.)
Thanks,
BPN
= = = = =
From: Denver145@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:09:27 EDT
Subject: Richard Poythress
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Could someone tell me if Thomas M. Poythress also had a son named Richard
Poythress who married Rosa A. Benton?

Thanks,
Elaine		04/19/2002 3:52:09
Lewis and David PoythressThe question has been posed as to the relationship between Lewis and David.
There is not any conclusive evidence that it is a father and son
relationship. In my study of these two I found that their land bordered each
other and that they had business dealings. The only two sons mentioned by
Lewis are Thomas M. and Lewis Y. in 1845.

David was a witness for Lewis when he gave his consent for the marriage of
his daughter Rebecca to Benjamin Standley in 1832.

So my speculation has been that David is a good candidate to be the son of
Lewis and the brother of Rebecca.

Barbara (BPW)		04/20/2002 1:11:04
Re: Richard Poythress-Rosa Benton & Thomas M. Poythress?I saw somewhere in the Archives, I'll have to find it again, that a Richard
Poythress and his wife Rosa Benton Poythress, had signed Estate of Thomas
M.Poythress (died July 1891) ,Mecklenberg, VA. It was assumed that Richard
was a son of Thomas M. Poythress. Thomas M. was a son of Lewis Poythress and
Rebecca B. Taylor, Mecklenberg, VA.

I was just wondering if anyone found out for sure that Richard was a son?

Elaine		04/20/2002 8:35:19
Re: Mother of David Poythress DilemmaElaine:

This one has always troubled me too but since it's a adjunct line and I
couldn't even fry my own fish, I never really dug into it (not to imply that
if I had I'd have the answer by now).

I also got stuck on that will issue and almost convinced myself that David's
having not been mentioned decided the issue. HOWEVER, I ultimatly came to
think that the evidence that John and Edward WERE mentioned in the will and
David was not.....was something of a non-starter. After all Giles did
specifically refer to them as grandsons which seems to SUGGEST to that he
might well have intended to omit the father no matter whom the father might
have been. And there is no evidence that I have seen that Giles might have
been "mad" at either candidate and thus purposefully omitted him from the
will.

I did however make something out of leaving $25 to John and $100 to Edward
even if it only shows Giles was not just giving token "start out in life
behests to grandsons" and that he was capable for whatever reason of showing
favoritism to one or the other.....so maybe he did the same for sons-in-law.

I assume you have tussled with this one also.......good luck.

Maynard		04/20/2002 11:47:16
Re: Mother of David Poythress DilemmaKoscheskiThat is like my uncle's stone from VetAdmin being wrong...and the James
Speed one. That one we found out from one of the cousins was because the
stone listed him as a Union veteran, not a Confederate and my gfather had it
sent back. Took Judy Scruggs and brothers to rectify it 2 yrs ago...nearly a
century later. Hope it doesnt take that long. Patti
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Neal"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 7:13 PM
Subject: Mother of David Poythress Dilemma


> Elaine -
>
> Ah, yes - you are discovering first-hand some of the knotty problems that
> keep all of us from blithely "finishing" our family's genealogy
>
> I, too, tend toward Rebecca Taylor as being his mother due to the Edward
> Giles will that doesn't mention him, but I also try to stay open to him
> having been born in 1800. BPW, refresh my memory again, please, as to
> exactly how we know for sure from your side of the family that David's
> father was Lewis?
>
> My vantage point in trying to determine the birth year for David is
> complicated somewhat by the fact that my own g-g-grandfather, James E.
> Poythress was born in Mecklenburg Co, VA on 13 Aug 1803. (In my family's
> record, which was apparently begun at the time of his marriage to
> Catherine S. Preston in Feb 1828, James' own birthdate & place are listed,
> but the identities of his father & mother are not listed.)
>
> Thus *if* James E Poythress was child of Lewis Poythress & Rebecca B.
> Taylor who married in Apr 1802, and assuming David is a son of Lewis, then
> David was either born by the earlier wife Patsey Giles, or David was born
> after 1803...
>
> Maybe the person who chiselled David's gravemarker made a "typo" and put
> 1800 when it should've been 1806 (the census' calculated birthdate) and
the
> family never fixed the marker. (They made an error on my own father's
> marker & I insisted that it be re-done; turns out they just turned it over
> & re-chiselled the other side of the same marker with the correct date -
> bet that will confuse somebody someday) But even so, to me an error left
> in David's marker seems a little less plausible than him actually having
> been born in 1800.
>
> So then I circle back around to wondering why David wasn't mentioned in
the
> Edw Giles will, and wondering how sure it is that Lewis was David's father
> (and of course again wondering if Lewis was the father of James E
> Poythress).
>
> Frustrating -
> BPN
> == = = =
>
> Message text written by INTERNET:POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> >
> Since there are varying birth years for David Poythress, (1800 Grave
> Marker) and (1806 VA 1850 census) listing him as 44 yrs. old, that raises
> the question as to who is his mother. Is he the youngest child of Lewis
> and Patsey Giles d. before 4/9/1802 or is he the second child of Lewis and
> Rebecca B. Taylor, who married Lewis 4/9/1802? I would really like your
> vote on this one and your reasoning. I am leaning toward Rebecca Taylor
> being his mother, because David wasn't mentioned in the Edward Giles
will,
> as were John and Edward Poythress.
>
> Elaine
> <
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Geneaology Research Web
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
>		04/20/2002 11:51:54
Documents available?Charles NealBelow is my (BPN) response to part of an off-List message from Elaine, in
which she mentioned a desire to help get documents:

>Message text written by INTERNET:Denver145@aol.com
I got the copies of the Letter of Administration today. Thank you so much.
I got goose bumps. How exciting. Did you get this way when you first
started researching?

I would be happy to pay for a document that is needed for our research. I
saw where it was $20 plus .50 cents per page. All of you have done so much
for us beginners, I would like to return the favor, for all the time and
energy, you pros have put into this. Think about it, and let me know what
is needed and how to get it.

I would like for myself, copies of
- Marriage Certificate of David Poythress and Mary Speed Dortch (if one
exists) ,
- Letter of Administration George Poythress got for his father Thomas'
estate (If one exists)
- Marriage Certificate of Lewis and Rebecca Taylor, (if one exists)
- Administration of the Estate of Lewis, (if one exists).
Do you know how I can find out if these records are available? I have
tried some of the Websites and I am clueless. As you can tell, I am really
inexperienced.
Well, have a GREAT weekend!!!!!! Elaine
= = =

BPN response to last paragraph above:
I don't know whether there exists any Letters of Administration for the
estate of Thomas Poythress, applied for by George Poythress or by anyone
else. Perhaps some other List-member knows whether any such item exists?

I also don't know whether there exist any documents re Administration for
the estate of Lewis Poythress. Seems to me that I have looked for any
indication that such documents might exist, but have not found any such
indication. Perhaps some other List-member (Lyn?) knows whether any such
item exists?

I know that no actual "Marriage Certificate" (as we currently think of it)
exists for the marriages of David Poythress or Lewis Poythress. What they
had back then were Marriage Bonds, copies of which are available for these
2 marriages. These Bonds have been examined & listed in numerous books of
Marriages of Mecklenburg County, VA, too. They basically indicate that a
marriage between a named man & a named woman was planned to take place in a
certain county, and were signed by the man & a bondsman for him (frequently
a relative). Some Marriage Bonds also indicate a "return" was filed by some
minister vouching that the marriage was performed. If the woman was under
legal age, there could also be an associated permission signed by her
parent(s). (For a more thorough explanation of what Marriage Bonds are,
see a discussion about them such as in the book by Val Greenwood, "The
Researcher's Guide to American Genealogy" or some other helpful discussion
going into detail about Marriage Bonds, in RootsWeb's or Cyndi's List's
online sources of learning about genealogy, or possibly in the National
Genealogical Society's online course.)

The Marriage Bond of Lewis Poythress & Rebecca B. Taylor was dated 9 April
1802. The bond (handwritten on a plain piece of paper, not on a form)
bears signatures of both Lewis Poythress and Thomas Watson, signed in the
presence of witness John Dortch.

For the marriage of David Poythress & Mary Speed Dortch, a Marriage Consent
(handwritten on a plain piece of paper, not on a form) was signed by her
mother, Ann Dortch, dated 16 Dec 1827, and witnessed by Isaac Taylor and
Eliz. C. Dortch. The Marriage Bond, bearing marks of David Poytress and
Isaac Taylor as bondsman, was dated 17 Dec 1827 (it is also handwritten on
a plain piece of paper, not on a form).

The Bonds & the Consent for these 2 above marriages are both filed in
"Mecklenburg County, Virginia's Marriage Bonds and Consent Papers
1770-1810, [for surnames beginning] N-S" which material is at the Library
of Virginia (LVA) & which has been microfilmed.

I feel sure the scanned images of these are available from one or more of
our List-members, or even possibly at the LVA website.

BPN		04/20/2002 11:53:36
Richard Poythress-Rosa Benton & Thomas M. Poythress-Lucy ThomasCharles NealElaine, thanks so much for giving the citations of the messages you had
seen in the Poythress-List Archives. It makes it much easier to figure out
which Thomas M, etc, to be able to read thru them again.

In re-reading both the messages, it seems that the clearest statement on
the subject was the paragraph I'll quote below, which was in the message
"Re: Edward Poythress etc." on 18 Feb 1999, by LPB (or Lyn Poythress
Baird). The pertinent Thomas you were asking about -- Thomas M. Poythress
& his wife Lucy Thomas -- are direct ancestors of Lyn's. He & his Mom have
done extensive research on that family.

And the marriage you mentioned in posing your question, the marriage of
Richard Poythress to Rosa Benton, is one of several Poythress marriages
that Sarah Royster Poythress had found in a research trip to the Courthouse
in "Boydton, Mecklenburg [County], Va yesterday [Sarah's message was dated
Sat, 13 Feb 1999] ...I found and copied... [from] one of the large marriage
books they have at the courthouse," which Sarah listed as:
">07 Jan 1880 (Hope I have right date on this one) Richard Poythress, 24,
single, Mecklenburg Co. s/o Thomas and L. Poythress to Rosa A. Benton, 21
single, Mecklenburg, Co. d/o L. and C.E. Benton. J.M. Benton"

By the way, in case it isn't clear to anyone, in that record the "s/o"
means "son of" and the "d/o" means "daughter of" and the name added at the
end of the record is the name of the minister, from the context of the
first marriage Sarah had listed in her message.

Thus I reckon the others of us just took it as "Yes, this Richard who
married Rosa Benton is the son of Thomas M. Poythress & his wife Lucy
Thomas" when LPB said in that 18 Feb 1999 message that you found:

" -This Richard Poythress is also the son of my Thomas M. Poythress.
This is shown by the marriage record and also by deeds around the
settlement of the TMP estate. We think he might be the child identified
as Peter in the 1870 census. Some of his descendants still live in the
area."

BPN		04/21/2002 2:50:54
Today's Question? Constable James?Charles NealFor clarification, the entry that Elaine was asking about was in the
Meredith Poythress Sr. Event Line posted 2 Feb 1998, not the "Meredith
Poythress Jr" event line message that had also been posted on the same day.
The particular entry read as follows:

"2 May 1822 Sheriffs sale...courthouse in Jacksonborough, Screven
County...106 acres of land levied on as the property of Meredith Poythress,
Senior to satisfy sundry executions issued out of justicess court in favor
of H. M. Williamson versus Cleton Poythress and Meredith Poythress, Senior,
said land adjoins land of Henry Joyce and others. Levied and returned by
constable James Poythress. Signed James Brown, SSC. (Augusta Chronicle
08/05/1822, 3, 6)"

This serves as a good example of why it is more helpful if we all try to
put both a year and a place in all of our queries to the List.

I had to track down the entry for my own satisfaction, to be sure just
where we were talking about there being a Constable James Poythress --
because I knew that if it had been in Mecklenburg Co, VA (prior to
Meredith's move to GA) then I might've missed some possible clue important
to me re my own direct ancestor. Instead, since the question pertained to
Screven County, GA in May of 1822, I now know that the "Constable James"
asked about in Elaine's message could *not* have been my own direct
ancestor. You see, my own ancestor, James E. Poythress, was elected
Constable in March 1856 in Sumter Co, AL, where he had earlier moved from
Mecklenburg Co, VA. Since I know he did not earlier live in Screven Co,
GA, and since he would've been too young to serve as a Constable in May of
1822 (he was born in Aug of 1803), I am now assured that this "Constable
James" just represents a coincidence of same name & same position served,
by different men in different places.
BPN
= = =
From: Denver145@aol.com
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:47:27 EDT
Subject: Today's Question? Constable James?
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Who is this Constable James Poythress, mentioned in Sheffiffs Sale, 2 May
1822, on List Message, Meredith Poythress Event Line, 2 Feb. 1998?

There seems to be a James P. Poythress also, popping up alot in Screven
Co., GA area, at the same time that the Meredith Poythress and Group showed
up. Is he this Constable mentioned above or is he a different James? Is
he connected to Meredith in some way?
Elaine		04/21/2002 2:51:03
Re: Richard Poythress-Rosa Benton & Thomas M. PoythressI found the reference to Richard being son of Thomas M. Poythress that I was
referring to yesterday.

Check List Message: Re: Edward Poythress etc. 18 Feb 1999, and RE:
Tanner-Poythress & Mills-Poythress 17 Aug 1998.

I have not seen Richard mentioned on any of the other List messages and was
unclear as to if , You Pros, had added Richard as son of Thomas M. Poythress
and Lucy Poythress ,as proven fact, to your data.

Elaine		04/21/2002 7:35:33
Today's Question? Constable James?Who is this Constable James Poythress, mentioned in Sheffiffs Sale, 2 May
1822, on List Message, Meredith Poythress Event Line, 2 Feb. 1998?

There seems to be a James P. Poythress also, popping up alot in Screven Co.,
GA area, at the same time that the Meredith Poythress and Group showed up.
Is he this Constable mentioned above or is he a different James? Is he
connected to Meredith in some way?

Elaine		04/21/2002 7:47:27
Re: Today's Question? Constable James?Elaine, I think this fellow should not be confused with Sheriff Thomas James
P. of Burke Co. who dies 1800.

This James (more correctly James P. Poythress) is a man I have chased all
over the map, You correctly observe that he pops up all over the place. He
comes along, roughly a contemporary of Meredith Poythress, Jr. and the first
time we see him all over the books he is buying property in Screven 1811-15
and then selling property in Screven County, about 1820-27. Later we learn
he is selling Screven property preparatory to a move to Gadsden County, FL
where he patents land (1828) and fathers at least one son John by a Mary
Dolan. We do know from two of the Screven deeds that James P. Poythress had
a wife named "Mary" in Georgia and presumably she goes to FL with him.

After arriving in FL James P. Poythress sells 250 acres of land in Screven to
William T. Poythress for $5. This would be considered a "nominal"
transaction and would suggest kinship. The problem is we don't know who
William T. Poythress is either.

Son John for some reason goes to LA to enlist in CSA service, returns to FL
after the war. It's driving the Dolans more crazy than we because he is a
key to the Dolan line. Our line of inquiry is to simply find out who he
is.....and I have not gotten to first base and don't know enough to know if
he is a "key" or not.

I have not been remotely sucessful in hooking JPP to Meredith Poythress Sr.
or Jr.
It is not at all likely for him to be in same family group of Sr., even less
likely to be in family group with Jr.

I hope someone may produce James P. Poythress' connection one day. I have
all these deeds on my hard drive and will be happy to e-mail them to you if
you would like to have them.

Maynard		04/21/2002 12:15:41
Richard PoythressDale PoythressAnd the marriage you mentioned in posing your question, the marriage of
Richard Poythress to Rosa Benton, is one of several Poythress marriages
that Sarah Royster Poythress had found in a research trip to the Courthouse
in "Boydton, Mecklenburg [County], Va yesterday [Sarah's message was dated
Sat, 13 Feb 1999] ...I found and copied... [from] one of the large marriage
books they have at the courthouse," which Sarah listed as:
">07 Jan 1880 (Hope I have right date on this one) Richard Poythress, 24,
single, Mecklenburg Co. s/o Thomas and L. Poythress to Rosa A. Benton, 21
single, Mecklenburg, Co. d/o L. and C.E. Benton. J.M. Benton"

After reading this I went back and looked at my notes. I don't know why I
had Richard as s/o Thomas & L. Poythress. It should have been s/o Thomas L.
Poythress with no mother listed. I am sorry I typed this wrong before.
When I go back to Boydton I will look at record again to be sure I copied it
right.
Does anyone know where Richard L. fits in? I do not have Thomas M. and
Lucy Poythress with a son named Richard. Correct me if I am wrong, please.

I hope this hasn't caused to much confusion for anyone.
Sarah		04/22/2002 3:09:48
Re: Today's Question? Constable James?Maynard,
I would like copies, Thank you. Ah!! entirely to many James!!!!! Well, we
will just keep trying to connect the dots. In your message 30 June 1997,
GDAH Microfilm; it says that a John S. Maner, be appointed guardian of
person and property of John Mercer, and James P. Poythress be taken as his
security. Is John S. Maner connected to you ?

Elaine		04/22/2002 4:54:31
Re: Today's Question? Constable James?In a message dated 4/22/2002 10:55:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Denver145@aol.com writes:


> Subj:Re: Today's Question? Constable James?
> Date:4/22/2002 10:55:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:Denver145@aol.com
> To:POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Sent from the Internet
>
>
>
> Maynard,
> I would like copies, Thank you. Ah!! entirely to many James!!!!! Well, we
>
> will just keep trying to connect the dots. In your message 30 June 1997,
> GDAH Microfilm; it says that a John S. Maner, be appointed guardian of
> person and property of John Mercer, and James P. Poythress be taken as his
> security. Is John S. Maner connected to you ?
>
> Elaine



Too many James'es? Just wait until you tangle with the Francis'es, Thomas'es
and John in Virginia

John S. Maner, among other children, had a son named John S. Maner and a
daugthter Susan R. Maner. Susan R. Maner m. Meredith Poythress, Jr.
Meredith Poythress, Jr. is my g-g-grandfather. Their child John Maner
Poythress is my g-grandfather, etc.

Sending you all those James P. Poythress deeds, etc. as an attachment to an
e-mail to you. If anyone else wants them I'd be happy to send.

Best,

Maynard (originally Maner)



>
>
>
>		04/22/2002 7:14:29
Lewis and David PoythressCharles NealBPW, thanks so much for your message summarizing the known & your
speculation on Lewis & David Poythress being father & son.

I must be slipping: I just don't recall *knowing* that their land bordered
that of each other -- Is your recollection that if I go dig thru stuff &
find their deeds, that there is something in the deeds themselves that
indicates the other as one of the adjacent property holders? (If that is
your recollection, I'll be glad to hunt thru & find the deeds & decipher
the handwriting to see it for myself -- I just hesitate, due to lack of
spare time, to try the deciphering if that is *not* the reason you/we know
of the land bordering each other.) Or is your recollection based on
something else that I should dig thru & re-examine?

Also, I'd appreciate something to help remind me where to look, since I'm
blanking out on this, too -- what sort of business dealings do you recall
them having with one another?

Thanks,
BPN



04/22/2002 9:29:33
Re: Lewis and David PoythressCharles NealFor benefit of others following the discussion of Lewis Poythress &
likelihood of him being the father of David Poythress, BPW emailed me
off-List (& I'm sharing with the List), that she found the following
references concerning both Lewis Poythress & David Poythress:

- Mecklenburg Co, VA Land Deed of Sept. 1837 in which Parkinson sold 100
acres to David *bounded on the North by Lewis Poythress*.

- Mecklenburg Co, VA bill of Sale in Oct 1845 Lewis Sr., gave his land to
Lewis Jr. and Thomas M., land *bounded by land of David Poythress.*

- Mecklenburg Co, VA in August 1844 Lewis sold 143 1/2 acres to David for
$2l5.25.

BPW also asked me
"Do you have a copy of the 1840 census which shows in Mecklenburg,
VA a James and Lewis each as Head of Family and then David as Head of
Family in the 405 E. District? I made an abstract from the census but do
not show any statistics which would help me construct a meaningful
scenario."

Yes, I have a copy of the pertinent census pages (& will get copies off to
BPW), but for clarification: all 3 of these Poythress men were listed as
Heads of Families in the "Eastern District or 98th Regiment" of Mecklenburg
Co, VA. David's entry is shown on the page stamped with page # 405; Lewis
on the page stamped with page # 407; & my ancestor James Poythress on page
# 396. That year, their names were all spelled as "Portress" by the
census-taker.

For analysis purposes, the pertinent details are shown in the abstracts I
did years ago for this Census (& for many other Poythress Census entries
from various years) at our Poythress Research Website,
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

Below, I'm copying the pertinent entries from the website for your
convenience. In re-checking the original Census page copies today just to
be sure, I find that none of these 3 households had any slaves.

BPN
= = =
1840 Mecklenburg Co., VA Census

- p. 396 Eastern District or 98th Regiment has Jas. Portress (3 WM 5-10
yrs; 1
WM 30-40 yrs; 2 WF under 5 yrs; 1 WF 30-40 yrs; 1 SM 36-55 yrs; total
counted
is 8; 3 in Agriculture; NONE are listed as Pensioners for Revolutionary or
Military
Services & none listed as deaf or blind or as being students)

- p. 405 Eastern District or 98th Regiment has David Portress (1 WM 5-10
yrs; 1
WM 30-40 yrs; 1 WF under 5 yrs; 1 WF 5-10 yrs; 1 WF 30-40 yrs; total
counted
is 5; 1 in Agriculture; NONE are listed as Pensioners for Revolutionary or
Military
Services & none listed as deaf or blind or as being students)

- p. 407 Eastern District or 98th Regiment has Lewis Portress (1 WM 15-20
yrs;
1 WM 20-30 yrs; 1 WM 70-80 yrs; 1 WF 60-70 yrs; 1 Free Colored Person Male
10-24 yrs; 1 Free Colored Person Female 10-24 yrs; total counted is 6; 4 in
Agriculture; NONE are listed as Pensioners for Revolutionary or Military
Services & none listed as deaf or blind or as being students).		04/23/2002 7:59:06
FD100 Heritage DayBelow is by the Flowerdew Foundation staffer, Debbie Miller
[deblmiller@hotmail.com], and I hope will be of interest to one or more of
us.

There is to be a Descendants Gathering on Saturday, August 24, 2002 at the
Flowerdew Hundred in Hopewell, Virginia.

The goal for the Descendants Gathering is to reunit the relatives of the
various Flowerdew families. We would also like for everyone to exchange and
gather information on their families.

It is designed to facilitate close contact between descendants and
Flowerdew, and to emphasize the importance of their ancestors' roles in the
history of Flowerdew. The event is directed at descendants, but the public
will also be welcome.		04/23/2002 8:04:24
Thos L Poythress vs Thos & Lucy Poythress - question parent(s) of Richard PoythressCharles NealI think Lyn will be our best source of info here, since he had mentioned
some other connection that led him to believe Richard Poythress was son of
Thomas Poythress & his wife Lucy Thomas, in the portion of his earlier
message that I copied into my message of the other day (copy below Sarah's
message, below). Unfortunately, I don't really know anything about this
Richard Poythress who married Rosa Benton. Hopefully Lyn will sometime
soon be able to catch up reading his List messages & can help out on this
matter.
BPN
= = = =
From: "Dale Poythress"
Subject: Richard Poythress
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:09:48 -0700
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

And the marriage you mentioned in posing your question, the marriage of
Richard Poythress to Rosa Benton, is one of several Poythress marriages
that Sarah Royster Poythress had found in a research trip to the Courthouse
in "Boydton, Mecklenburg [County], Va yesterday [Sarah's message was dated
Sat, 13 Feb 1999] ...I found and copied... [from] one of the large marriage
books they have at the courthouse," which Sarah listed as:
">07 Jan 1880 (Hope I have right date on this one) Richard Poythress, 24,
single, Mecklenburg Co. s/o Thomas and L. Poythress to Rosa A. Benton, 21
single, Mecklenburg, Co. d/o L. and C.E. Benton. J.M. Benton"

After reading this I went back and looked at my notes. I don't know why I
had Richard as s/o Thomas & L. Poythress. It should have been s/o Thomas L.
Poythress with no mother listed. I am sorry I typed this wrong before. When
I go back to Boydton I will look at record again to be sure I copied it
right.

Does anyone know where Richard L. fits in? I do not have Thomas M. and Lucy
Poythress with a son named Richard. Correct me if I am wrong, please.

I hope this hasn't caused to much confusion for anyone.
Sarah
= = = = =
BPN's message to List on 4/21/02, sent 5:29pm:

Elaine, thanks so much for giving the citations of the messages you had
seen in the Poythress-List Archives. It makes it much easier to figure out
which Thomas M, etc, to be able to read thru them again.

In re-reading both the messages, it seems that the clearest statement on
the subject was the paragraph I'll quote below, which was in the message
"Re: Edward Poythress etc." on 18 Feb 1999, by LPB (or Lyn Poythress
Baird). The pertinent Thomas you were asking about -- Thomas M. Poythress
& his wife Lucy Thomas -- are direct ancestors of Lyn's. He & his Mom have
done extensive research on that family.

And the marriage you mentioned in posing your question, the marriage of
Richard Poythress to Rosa Benton, is one of several Poythress marriages
that Sarah Royster Poythress had found in a research trip to the Courthouse
in "Boydton, Mecklenburg [County], Va yesterday [Sarah's message was dated
Sat, 13 Feb 1999] ...I found and copied... [from] one of the large marriage
books they have at the courthouse," which Sarah listed as:
">07 Jan 1880 (Hope I have right date on this one) Richard Poythress, 24,
single, Mecklenburg Co. s/o Thomas and L. Poythress to Rosa A. Benton, 21
single, Mecklenburg, Co. d/o L. and C.E. Benton. J.M. Benton"

By the way, in case it isn't clear to anyone, in that record the "s/o"
means "son of" and the "d/o" means "daughter of" and the name added at the
end of the record is the name of the minister, from the context of the
first marriage Sarah had listed in her message.

Thus I reckon the others of us just took it as "Yes, this Richard who
married Rosa Benton is the son of Thomas M. Poythress & his wife Lucy
Thomas" when LPB said in that 18 Feb 1999 message that you found:

" -This Richard Poythress is also the son of my Thomas M. Poythress.
This is shown by the marriage record and also by deeds around the
settlement of the TMP estate. We think he might be the child identified
as Peter in the 1870 census. Some of his descendants still live in the
area."

BPN		04/23/2002 8:35:44
Re: Lewis and David PoythressBarbara, did you ever find anything on your line , James Edward Poythress,
that listed Lewis as his father? I don't know what they might have had back
then, other than a Death Record or Burial Record.

Elaine



04/23/2002 9:52:56
Lewis & James E. PoythressCharles NealNo, so far I have found nothing to indicate ANY name for a father for James
E. Poythress, who was born 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg Co, VA.
BPN
= = = =
From: Denver145@aol.com
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:52:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Lewis and David Poythress
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Barbara, did you ever find anything on your line , James Edward Poythress,
that listed Lewis as his father? I don't know what they might have had back
then, other than a Death Record or Burial Record.
Elaine		04/23/2002 12:51:15
Re: Today's Question? Constable James?James SmithMaynard,

I believe there is a little clarification which needs to be made concerning the wife of James P. Poythress, our Gadsden Co., FL man. He
had a son named John P., who married Mary Ann Dolan in 1866. Our family's Poythress record book which was originally maintained by John
P. Poythress does not mention the names of his parents. We don't know for certain, but we believe that John P. is James P.'s son.

If you are referring to me & my family being driven crazy, we're the Poythress (Grands, Gr Grands, etc. of John P. & Mary Poythress)
line rather than the direct Dolan line. Hopefully one day we'll get these Gadsden Co. men back into the Va/Ga Poythress family lines
from which I believe they came.

Thanks to all of you for any connections you find about us Gadsden Co., FL cousins.

Linda

VKRatliff@aol.com wrote:

> Elaine, I think this fellow should not be confused with Sheriff Thomas James
> P. of Burke Co. who dies 1800.
>
> This James (more correctly James P. Poythress) is a man I have chased all
> over the map, You correctly observe that he pops up all over the place. He
> comes along, roughly a contemporary of Meredith Poythress, Jr. and the first
> time we see him all over the books he is buying property in Screven 1811-15
> and then selling property in Screven County, about 1820-27. Later we learn
> he is selling Screven property preparatory to a move to Gadsden County, FL
> where he patents land (1828) and fathers at least one son John by a Mary
> Dolan. We do know from two of the Screven deeds that James P. Poythress had
> a wife named "Mary" in Georgia and presumably she goes to FL with him.
>
> After arriving in FL James P. Poythress sells 250 acres of land in Screven to
> William T. Poythress for $5. This would be considered a "nominal"
> transaction and would suggest kinship. The problem is we don't know who
> William T. Poythress is either.
>
> Son John for some reason goes to LA to enlist in CSA service, returns to FL
> after the war. It's driving the Dolans more crazy than we because he is a
> key to the Dolan line. Our line of inquiry is to simply find out who he
> is.....and I have not gotten to first base and don't know enough to know if
> he is a "key" or not.
>
> I have not been remotely sucessful in hooking JPP to Meredith Poythress Sr.
> or Jr.
> It is not at all likely for him to be in same family group of Sr., even less
> likely to be in family group with Jr.
>
> I hope someone may produce James P. Poythress' connection one day. I have
> all these deeds on my hard drive and will be happy to e-mail them to you if
> you would like to have them.
>
> Maynard
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. If you'd like to learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/		04/24/2002 3:25:59
Mother of David Poythress's ChildrenJim RichardsonCharles D. Poythress list his father as David Poythress & mother as Sallie Poythress on his Dec. 1, 1870 marriage application in Warren Co., NC. Married India P. Twisdale on Dec. (5?), 1870.

Lucy Poythress list her father as David Poythress & mother as Sally Poythress on her Nov. 19 marriage application, Warren Co., NC. Married James Twisdale on Dec. 20, 1870.

Alice M. Poythress list her father as David Poythress & mother as Sally Poythress on her Dec. 13, 1876 marriage application, Warren Co., NC. Married John R. Twisdale on Dec. (18 ?), 1876.

David Poythress made application for a marriage License on 15 March 1848 to marry Sally Dortch in Warren Co., NC. I have not found the Marriage Certificate.

Jim Richardson		04/24/2002 4:16:10
Re: Today's Question? Constable James?Linda, you are absolutely correct and I'm sorry I did a fire, ready, aim
number on James P. and John. They BOTH married Marys.....and it was John
who married Mary Dolan, presumably in Gadsden County. (none of which gets us
any closer to James P. Poythress) This guy just appears out of nowhere in
Screven as an adult in biz buying and selling property about 1811 or so. He
could have been too young or more likely not in GA long enough to qualify and
register for the 1805 land lottery which is sort of a proxy census but I'm
inclined to doubt it. I'm thinking maybe the guy just came late from
Virginia, and, if he WAS in GA, didn't get there in time to meet the registry
qualifications.

I don't recall where but there were several mentions with respect to his
affiliation with the Masons, one even hinting that was the reason he headed
for Gadsden County and that he was one of the founders of the chapter there.
Wonder how far back their records go? I'll bark up that tree soon as I can
get KY Derby out of my system.

Best,

Maynard		04/24/2002 5:21:53
Re: Today's Question? Constable James?James SmithAs I believe I've previously shared with ya'll, according to information in
Gadsden A Florida County in Word and Pictures, by Miles Kenan Womack, Jr.,
published in 1976:

"In late 1827, a group of men in Quincy and the adjoining area applied to the
Grand Lodge of Georgia for permission to organize a lodge in Gadsden County."
Permission was granted on November 09, 1827. "Immediately, these men, who in
most cases were the leaders in Territorial politics, drew together their
potential membership and assembled for their first meeting on January 24, 1828.
Those present at this meeting were . . . , James P. Poythress, . . . ." Fifteen
men were present that day, in addition to 3 visiting brothers. In July, 1830,
the Masonic Lodges in the Territory of Florida gathered in Tallahassee and formed
the Grand Lodge of Florida. Thereafter, the Grand Lodge of Georgia was notified
of this change and the former charter of the Washington Lodge No. 1 in Quincy was
returned.

Linda

VKRatliff@aol.com wrote:

> Linda, you are absolutely correct and I'm sorry I did a fire, ready, aim
> number on James P. and John. They BOTH married Marys.....and it was John
> who married Mary Dolan, presumably in Gadsden County. (none of which gets us
> any closer to James P. Poythress) This guy just appears out of nowhere in
> Screven as an adult in biz buying and selling property about 1811 or so. He
> could have been too young or more likely not in GA long enough to qualify and
> register for the 1805 land lottery which is sort of a proxy census but I'm
> inclined to doubt it. I'm thinking maybe the guy just came late from
> Virginia, and, if he WAS in GA, didn't get there in time to meet the registry
> qualifications.
>
> I don't recall where but there were several mentions with respect to his
> affiliation with the Masons, one even hinting that was the reason he headed
> for Gadsden County and that he was one of the founders of the chapter there.
> Wonder how far back their records go? I'll bark up that tree soon as I can
> get KY Derby out of my system.
>
> Best,
>
> Maynard
>
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> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		04/24/2002 7:12:53
Re: Richard Poythress, 1865-aft1900, Mecklenburg Co., Va.Thanks for your information on Richard Poythress and Rosa Benton, maybe
Burton? It sure helped this, amateur researcher, link another Poythress to a
family unit.

Elaine



04/26/2002 1:30:39
Richard Poythress, 1865-aft1900, Mecklenburg Co., Va.Greetings, all. In response to recent queries, Richard Poythress is the
son of Thomas M. Poythress and Lucy Thomas Poythress of Mecklenburg Co.,
Va. Here are citations:

-His 1888 marriage cites his parents. (Meck Marr Reg 1, Bk 1, P69, L11)
-Along with his siblings and their spouses, Richard and Rosa are involved
in the settlement of his parents' estate. (Meck DB 55, p58; 11 Nov 1896;
W. L. Poythress et. al. to J. W. Moseley "known as the Thomas Poythress
place")
I can also attest from recent "living memory" that Richard Poythress is
in this branch. After all, Richard is my great-grand-uncle, the brother
of my great-grandfather, James David Poythress.

It may be of further interest to note that I suspect his wife was
actually Rosa BURTON, daughter of Lucius and Caroline Baird BURTON, not
Rosa BENTON as in the marriage record. However, this is a suspicion not
fully researched.

In 1900, Richard and family are living in the South Hill area of
Mecklenburg County (1900 Census Meck R1718,ED56,P15,L32).

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

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Fitzgerald-Gerald-Jarrell FamiliesCould you please help me find the connection with the
Fitzgerald-Gerald-Jarrell Families. Thank you Dennie Edward Fitzgerald
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Flowerdew HundredFlowerdew HundredHello Everyone~
My name is Debbie Miller and I am employed at Flowerdew Hundred in Prince George County, Virginia. As many of you may know, Flowerdew was the tract of land owned by Joshua Poythress and his descendants during the 18th and 19th centuries. The Poythresses married into the Willcox family, who continued to own Flowerdew into the 20th century.
We are planning on having a Descendants Gathering on August 24, 2002 at Flowerdew Hundred. We would love to have Poythress Descendants join us for the gathering. We are hoping that the Flowerdew Families will be able to meet and greet other descendants and exchange and gather information on their ancestors.
If anyone is interested in attending, please respond to this email or contact the Flowerdew Hundred Foundation at 888-634-1426. We look forward to seeing you!
Debbie Miller
Flowerdew Hundred Foundation		04/26/2002 9:15:24
Pace/Poythress{USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}Has anyone found any definitive proof that Richard Pace married Rebecca Poythress, or, that he married some other Rebecca?........Mike Tutor



04/26/2002 10:32:58
Richard Poythress, 1865-aft1900, Mecklenburg Co., Va.Charles NealThanks, Lyn, for weighing in on this member with your citations.

BPN



04/26/2002 11:49:25
PacesNothing I love better than to see those whacko Paces roiled to a boil.
Maynard


Subj: Re: Pace/Poythress
Date: 4/26/2002
To: badbichon@earthlink.n

Mike, that potato is white hot.

Punch Pace/Poythress or some variation into Google.com and you'll likely find
a) copies of all the random transcribed notations I have made over the years
with no particular claim whatsoever and b) a hot denial of the connection by
the Pace Foundation who have recently, it appears, discovered the error of
the ways of one of their long time members who harmlessly filled in a blank
that turned out to be not so harmless. At least that's their version. Who
knows?

On the other hand, if you (or more correctly your mother or sister or
whomever) claims that line for DAR qualification, the DAR will accept it
without hesitation.

You pays your money and you takes your chances They's sharks in that there
pool. Good luck.

John M. Poythress		04/26/2002 12:28:41
FD100 HomecomingHi Debbie, thanks for the kind invitation to visit Flowerdew for this affair.
I hope we'll have been able to have had some members of our genealogical
group there. However, most of us are far out of range of Virginia so I would
be surprised if you had more than one or two of us at the most.

For a long time now I have assembled bits and pieces of microfilm, articles,
etc. planning to do an "article" on the Poythress/FD100 relationship for the
Poythress webpage at:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/poythressmaster.htm

On completion and blessing by all concerned I had also planned to make it
available in case you wanted to put it on the FD page. As you have correctly
surmised, it strikes me that the FD site is long on archeaology and general
history and by necessity somewhat short on the "people links." The "people"
just have to be dug out of a multitude of sources one at a time and "put
together" and that is not a job quickly done.


Amid a whole gang of other priorities this one simply dropped off my radar
screen for which I apologize. The "members" represented by the Poythress
listserver probably have (in the aggregate) about as much information on this
Poythress/FD subject as any so I'll make it my job at some point in the near
future to try to corrall as much as our members may have into a draft
"article" for their (and your) approval and revisions.

In the meanwhile, if you wish to visit the Poythress website (address above)
I suspect you'll find a nougat or two hidden about as extensive work has been
done, just not much on FD. Although most of the material I have personally
collected is in "paper" form, I do have 8 or 10 random FD100 files that I
would be happy to send to you. The caveat is that they are totally
unorganized and range from such things as WPA study papers (available at the
Library of VA site), e-mails from people who may or may not know what they
are talking about, etc.

Just let me know if you're interested. I can either zip the stuff into an
e-mail attachment or mail you a floppy, whichever is easier for you to
handle.

Best wishes to you and the other dedicated people who have kept this
significant and historic site alive and breathing through your efforts. We
all sincerely thank you.

Maynard

(John M. Poythress)		04/27/2002 10:46:45
David Poythress and Mary Speed Poythress Documents?Is there a transcription of the Jan. 12, 1842 relinquishment of dower of
Mary Speed Poythress and the Indenture Jan. 12, 1842 between David Poythress,
Mary Speed Poythress and William H. Moon? I have searched all the list
messages and was not able to locate one. I could have overlooked it. If it
has been posted on the List Messages, I would appreciate being pointed in the
right direction.


Many Thanks!!!
Elaine		04/27/2002 11:25:38
Found Two Poythress'Hello to all. It sure has been quiet lately.

While doing some research on one of the other lines I am tracing, I ran
across two Poythress'. I don't know if you have already spotted them before.


They were in a USGenWeb Archives

Spanish American War

First North Carolina Regiment
Company I ( i )

Private
Henry M. Poythress Durham, NC

Second North Carolina Regiment
Company I ( i )

Private
Wm. M. Poytriss Roanoke Rapids, NC

I don't know who they belong to but I am sure some of you do.
Elaine






04/30/2002 1:16:47
The Latest On KlezDr MöckKlez: Don't Believe 'From' Line
By Michelle Delio



2:00 a.m. April 30, 2002 PDT
Some Internet users have recently received an e-mail message from a dead friend.
Others have been subscribed to obscure mailing lists. Some have lost their
Internet access after being accused of spamming, and still others have received
e-mailed pornography from a priest.
They're actually experiencing some of the stranger side effects of the Klez
computer virus.


These ersatz e-mails containing the virus are creating Klez-provoked arguments
and accusations that are now spreading as fast as the worm itself.

The latest variant of the Klez virus started spreading 10 days ago. The virus
e-mails itself from infected machines using a bogus "From" address randomly
plucked from all e-mail addresses stored on an infected computer's hard drive or
network.

Recipients of the virus-laden e-mails, not understanding that the "From"
information is virtually always phony -- or even that they have received a
virus -- have been clogging networks with angry and confused e-mails that are
causing a great deal of cyber-havoc.


People signing up for newsletters and mailing lists that they never subscribed
to has been a major source of frustration for both users and the list owners.

If Klez happens to send an e-mail "from" a user to an e-mail list's automatic
subscribe address, the list software assumes the e-mail is a valid subscription
request and begins sending mail to the user.

A mailing list for fans of the Grammy Award-winning Steely Dan band has posted
an explanation directed to those who were subscribed to the list by the virus.

"We are not infected with the Klez virus. We don't know if you are infected with
the Klez virus. You may be. But even if you are not, someone out there who is
infected has both your address and our address on their computer ... and therein
lies the problem," the explanation reads, in part.

Even when users understand the source of newsletter-generated e-mails, the
amount of mail some lists generate is causing problems.

"Last week I suddenly started getting hundreds of e-mails, daily, with
information about raising tropical fish, purchasing cosmetics and staying in
youth hostels," Victor Montez, a sales rep for a publishing firm, said. "I do
not keep fish, wear makeup or travel rough."

Montez now understands the e-mails came from Klez-subscribed news lists. But he
said that since his free e-mail account only stores a certain amount of
messages, he's lost access to the account twice this week. He believes he's also
lost a significant amount of business-related e-mails.

"If this keeps up, I may end up having to stay in hostels and I'll have plenty
of free time to devote to raising fish," he said.

In some cases, it almost seems as if Klez is specifically targeting particularly
vulnerable e-mail addresses onto which it can piggyback.

E-mails containing an invitation to view what purports to be an attachment with
pornographic images appears at first glance to have been sent out by Catholic
parishes in New York and Maryland. The attachment actually contains the Klez
virus, and tracing information indicates the e-mails were actually sent from an
Internet service located in the United Arab Emirates.

"While we would obviously never choose to have our churches' names affiliated
with such material, this is a particularly difficult time to have e-mail with
obscene references -- which appear to have been sent by church staff --
circulating," an archdiocese spokeswoman said, referring to the worldwide sex
abuse scandal.

Other newsletter owners are also suffering. Some say their Internet service
providers have accused them of spamming non-members. Many ISPs cut service when
they receive a certain amount of spam complaints.

"I was reported to my ISP over a dozen times this week for spamming," said Keith
Carlone, the manager of an e-mail newsletter for classic car enthusiasts. "My
ISP threatened to pull my account after the third complaint and we went down
shortly afterwards. It took four days to sort the problem out."

Andrew Fiber, maintainer of a Jewish folk music mailing list, said that the list
has been inundated with messages about widely off-topic subjects, so much so
that Fiber wondered if most of his members had suddenly gone "meshuga (a little
crazy)."

But then Fiber began getting the complaints.

"All of a sudden we had e-mails coming in from around the world, with people
yelling we had sent them Klez," Fiber said. "The thing is that 'Klezmer' is a
type of traditional folk music which we often discuss on the list and sometimes
refer to as Klez. So I thought people were protesting about our folk music. It
was very confusing for a while."

Some users have even reported receiving spooky e-mails from deceased friends.

"I belonged to a tattoo artists' list that closed down a few years ago. Last
week, I began getting e-mails from the list. Even weirder, I got eight e-mails
with subject lines that read 'SOS' and 'Eager to See You' from a list member who
died last year. It totally creeped me out," said "Bear" Montego.


Klez e-mails' subject lines are randomly chosen from a pre-programmed list of
about 120 possibilities, including "Let's be friends," "Japanese lass' sexy
pictures," "Meeting Notice," "Hi Honey" and "SOS."


Klez also sends fake "returned" or "undeliverable" e-mails, advising the
supposed sender that their original, refused e-mail is contained in the
attachment. Clicking on the attachment triggers the virus.


The virus can launch automatically when users click to preview or read e-mails
bearing Klez on systems that have not been patched for a year-old vulnerability
in Internet Explorer, Outlook and Outlook Express. Klez only affects PCs running
Microsoft's Windows operating system.

As of Monday afternoon, Klez's spread seems to have slowed, but antiviral
experts warn that the worm will be around for a while.

"Anytime you have a virus that is not easily identifiable visually, it tends to
linger," Rod Fewster, Australian representative for antiviral application NOD32,
said. "SirCam and Klez both vary the subject lines of the e-mails they send,
which makes it hard for the average user to spot."		04/30/2002 4:56:12
Re: Pace/PoythressWhat was the harmless error and who committed it?.....Mike


Mike.....go to Google.com, a search engine. Put in "Pace/Poythress". The
very first entry is titled Pace/Poythress and further even in this entry is a
reference to click on to get to the Pace Page. The two combined are more
than anyone ever wanted or needed to know on the subject.

A guy named Roy Johnson is fronting for a Bruce Howard (pay no attention to
that man behind the curtain). Anyway, according to Mr. Howard (who speaks ex
cathedra) the dastardly deed was done by a Mrs. Mehrkens, once the head Pacer
but a failure in her sacred charge. Mr. Howard sets her straight.

I view the whole matter with insouciance and doubt that you would be
disinvited to the FD100 soiree in either case.

Maynard		04/30/2002 5:01:29
Re: GreetingsHello and welcome. I am the baby of this group or should I say I was until
you came aboard. I have not been researching for very long myself. I have
learned so much about my line of Poythress due in part to a wonderful forum
at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/ and the wonderful
group of researchers that members of this forum. There is, I believe, a Lyn
Baird who is part of this forum, am I correct, they will let me know if I am
wrong. I am sure some of the "Pros" as I call them, can help you figure out
if you are connected to a Poythress somewhere.

If I may suggest, posting a sampling of your Baird line, so there would be
information to work with.

Elaine



05/01/2002 2:27:50
PleasantI ran across a Pleasant Portess on the 1870 Alabama Census. Has anyone run
across a Pleasant before. There are no other people listed in this household.

Census Year: 1870 State : Alabama County: Limestone Division: Township 3
Range 6
LN HN FN LAST NAME FIRST NAME AGE SEX RACE OCCUP

31 253 229 Portess Pleasant 29 M
M Farmer		05/01/2002 2:43:08
GreetingsFrederick BairdI just joined this group----New ----sooI am not aware of any of your
previous discussions.

I have seen this POYTHRESS name come up every once in a while when I
have been searching on the
BAIRD /BEARD LISTS,so I know some of them somewhere are related possibly
,to my line,
If anyone out there is aware of any BAIRD connections I would be pleased
to hear from you.
Thank You
Fred

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05/01/2002 12:21:36
RE: Pace/PoythressLou PooleWell, the assertion made at the Pace site certainly seems to discredit
the Rebecca Poythress "m." Richard Pace lore -- LOUDLY, too. And if I
follow the argument in its entirety, we are led to believe that Rebecca,
daughter of Rebecca (Coggin?) Poythress and Maj. Francis Poythress,
NEVER married. Everybody else get that, and buy it? (I think I do
based on the evidence presented.)

But then it gets kind of wild... Quotes attributed to Mr. Bruce Howard
are "There was an older Capt. Francis Poythress who died in the 1660's.
He was not the father of Major Francis Poythress..." He wasn't? Did I
miss something while I was sleeping? But a couple of sentences later he
refers to "Mr. Francis Poythress, Sr., and Jr. of Prince George County."
I lost him; is he referring (using Sr. and Jr.) to Francis (m. Rebecca)
as "Sr.", and his son Francis as "Jr."? If so, where do WE stand on the
assertion that the Francis who died in the 1660's [I have "before 1661"]
was NOT the father of Major Francis Poyhtress (d. ca. 1692)? I would
certainly like to see the reasoning or evidence for the foregoing
statement (attributed to Bruce Howard).

Maybe I have a better idea... Why don't we sit back and let the Pace
group do our genealogy for us? 🙂

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com [mailto:VKRatliff@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:01 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Pace/Poythress



What was the harmless error and who committed it?.....Mike


Mike.....go to Google.com, a search engine. Put in "Pace/Poythress".
The
very first entry is titled Pace/Poythress and further even in this entry
is a
reference to click on to get to the Pace Page. The two combined are
more
than anyone ever wanted or needed to know on the subject.

A guy named Roy Johnson is fronting for a Bruce Howard (pay no attention
to
that man behind the curtain). Anyway, according to Mr. Howard (who
speaks ex
cathedra) the dastardly deed was done by a Mrs. Mehrkens, once the head
Pacer
but a failure in her sacred charge. Mr. Howard sets her straight.

I view the whole matter with insouciance and doubt that you would be
disinvited to the FD100 soiree in either case.

Maynard


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PleasantCharles NealElaine, thanks for finding a Portess (possibly a Poythress) who is entirely
new to me. Had to look to see where Limestone County is. In 1870 (& now)
it is along the top edge of Alabama, on the stateline with Tennessee,
midway across the top of Alabama. Certainly nowhere near any other
Poythress people I'm aware of.

This may stir up a hornets' nest again, but we've had many discussions in
the past as to which numerous spellings various ones of us believe to
actually be in the same family lines. Jury is perhaps still out on
"Portess" but I think the last consensus was that it is less likely than
some other spellings, since there is no "R" after the "T" in "Portess."

At any rate, thanks for alerting us to your finds as you are surfing thru
the valuable GenWeb listings!

BPN		05/02/2002 7:21:21
Baird, formerly "Greetings"Charles NealFred, welcome. And yes, Elaine was correct that we have a Baird on our
list - Lyn P. Baird. He usually has to catch up on his emails in batches
after being off for a week or two at a time.

Barbara (BPN)



05/02/2002 7:24:32
Re: GreetingsFrederick BairdHi F Baird again--The real baby of the group.
I am going to take Elaines advice and give you a sampling of my Baird
line so you pros can go to work.
It was interesting to see the name R Bolling Batte as I am connected
there,I would love to hear from this expert and others.
So--- here goes---Lets start with John Baird b.ca.1675 md. Margaret
Rookings. He bought land in Jamestown and later in Prince George County
on Chippokes Creek and moved his family there.
In 1726 he was made Justice of the peace in that county, and Vestryman.He
had children Rook,Reubin, John, and Ephraim.Rook md Elizabeth Heath. He
had a son Benjamin b.ca.1720 Prince George Co. Va. and
md. Sarah Batte Jones. 1743. .He owned land in Mechlenburg and Lunenburg
counties.
Their dau. Sarah md. into the wealthy and powerful SPEED family(John
Speed Jr.)ca, 1766.
Then John Batte Baird was bn.ca. 1745. in Surry Co Va. and md Jenny
Jennings 18 Aug 1760.
Then his brother, Alexander, Md. Jenny's sister Elizabeth.He was bn 20
Dec. 1747 Surry Co. Va.
They seemed to enjoy building dams and Mills.Abt. 1773 they moved to
Anson Co. NC and Montgomery Co. John Batte and Jenny was there as well
also in Washington and Greene Counties TN.and Abbeville
SC.John Batte had sons Alexander, William and Thomas.John and William
went to Franklin Co> Ga.
1799.Alexander 1813 war of 1812 and disappears William and family went to
Marion Perry Co. Ala. then to Miss.and d. 1737 Noxubee Co.John Batte md.
2nd a Mary Raiford.in SC.
OK that should get you started. Let me hear from ya'll. Thank you
Fred
On Wed, 1 May 2002 20:27:50 EDT Denver145@aol.com writes:
> Hello and welcome. I am the baby of this group or should I say I was
> until
> you came aboard. I have not been researching for very long myself.
> I have
> learned so much about my line of Poythress due in part to a
> wonderful forum
> at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/ and the
> wonderful
> group of researchers that members of this forum. There is, I
> believe, a Lyn
> Baird who is part of this forum, am I correct, they will let me know
> if I am
> wrong. I am sure some of the "Pros" as I call them, can help you
> figure out
> if you are connected to a Poythress somewhere.
>
> If I may suggest, posting a sampling of your Baird line, so there
> would be
> information to work with.
>
> Elaine
>
>
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>

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Thomas Poythress and Martha (Patsy)Could someone tell me if it has ever been proven that Martha (Patsy) ? who
married Thomas James Poythress, was a Giles, or is this just speculation and
we still need to be searching for who she was?

Also, while I am on here, have any records been found on John4 Poythress, who
married Mary Batte ? I have not seen anything on our Archives about him and
what he did during his life. Maybe I overlooked them.

Thanks for any help.
Elaine		05/07/2002 6:42:06
Research Advice PleaseTomorrow afternoon, I am making my first trip to Church of LDS research
facility here in Denver, Co. Could some of you please give me an idea on
what I should take with me? How or where to start? Maybe a small intro to
things available at these Research Centers?

I am not ashamed to say, I am totally clueless. I don't even know what
microfiche is much less how to use one of the darn things. Well wish me
luck.

Elaine



05/08/2002 1:08:45
Re: Research Advice PleaseFrederick BairdHi Elaine:
Take with you the names with dates and places of those you wish to find
information on. ,A pencil and some paper.When you make copies ,Make sure
to copy the book cover or and write the call number and page and
author.There will be some attendants there that will be very helpful.
Feel free to ask for any help you need. Good Luck Let me know how it
goes.
Fred
ftbaird@juno.com On Wed, 8 May 2002 19:08:45
EDT Denver145@aol.com writes:
> Tomorrow afternoon, I am making my first trip to Church of LDS
> research
> facility here in Denver, Co. Could some of you please give me an
> idea on
> what I should take with me? How or where to start? Maybe a small
> intro to
> things available at these Research Centers?
>
> I am not ashamed to say, I am totally clueless. I don't even know
> what
> microfiche is much less how to use one of the darn things. Well
> wish me
> luck.
>
> Elaine
>
>
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> Poythress Geneaology Research Web
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
>
>

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Re: Death records VirginiaIt may be of interest to some on our list that Virginia counties began
maintaining birth and death records in 1853. This was very early
relative to her sister southern states.

Lewis Poythress died about 1845-46 so was a little early.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
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On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:51:15 -0400 Charles Neal
writes:
> No, so far I have found nothing to indicate ANY name for a father for
> James
> E. Poythress, who was born 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg Co, VA.
> BPN
> = = = =
> From: Denver145@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:52:56 EDT
> Subject: Re: Lewis and David Poythress
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>
> Barbara, did you ever find anything on your line , James Edward
> Poythress,
> that listed Lewis as his father? I don't know what they might have
> had back
> then, other than a Death Record or Burial Record.
> Elaine

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New Ancestry DatabaseThanks to Jane we have the Poythresses off of a new database: Henrico Parish
in Docese of Virginia (from Ancestry) as below:

Description:
The history of the parish of Henrico in the Diocese of Virginia and
especially of St. John's Church spans from 1611 to 1884. Lewis W. Burton, a
rector of St. John's Church, compiled the records of this parish at the
request of the Bishop in 1904. This database contains information regarding
the lives of some of the clergy, the heads of prominent families in the
church, pew holders, and communicants can be found here. The database also
includes records on marriages, baptisms, burials, and epitaphs. Source
Information:
Ancestry.com. Annals of Henrico Parish, Diocese of Virginia, 1611-1884
[database on-line] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2002. Original data: Burton,
Lewis W. Annals of Henrico Parish, Diocese of Virginia and especially of St.
John's Church, the present mother church of the parish, from 1611 to 1884
Richmond, VA: Williams Printing Company, 1942.



Annals of Henrico Parish, Diocese of Virginia, 1611-1884
Viewing records 1-2 of 2 Matches

Annals of Henrico Parish
List of Burials in the Old Churchyard.
30 May 1880
Name: Charlotte Reed Poythress
Age: 3 months and 20 days Shockoe Hill Cemetery

Annals of Henrico Parish
List of Burials in the Old Churchyard.
26 Jun 1897
Name: Mrs. Charlotte Poythress
Age: 72 years Hollywood Cemetery

Comments:

These two Charlotte Reed Poythresses are not BOTH the Charlotte Reed
Poythress-A and the Charlotte Reed Poythress-B sisters who were daughters of
William Powhatan Poythress and Louisa Campbell Mayo.

The first Charlotte above is indeed Charlotte Reed Poythress-A who was b.
1880 and died at age 3+ months, buried in Shockoe Cemetery, Richmond.

Batte's Charlotte Reed Poythress-B is b. 1881, d. 1906, aged 25. She dies in
Richmond as a result of an accidental fall. I have her obituary around here
somewhere but can't lay my hands on it. Batte comments further: "She was
given the same name that had been given to her deceased sister, that of their
grandmother. She was unmarried. The marble slab marking her grave in
Hollywood, like all others in the lot bears only her name. It reads
'Charlotte Poythress' - no more."

The SECOND "Charlotte Poythress" cited in the parish records above is indeed
the grandmother for whom both sisters were named. She was b. 1825, d. 1897
at age 72....just as stated in the records of the Henrico Parish. She was
Charlotte Reed who married William Peterson Poythress. William Peterson
Poythress died in Nassau, BWI, during blockage running operations in the War
for Southern Independence. Wife Charlotte Reed Poythress died in Richmond in
1897.

The aunt of the two sisters and niece of the grandmother was Sarah Reed
Poythress (1852-1927), unmarried. Batte states "Upon her
decease in Richmond, passed the last living decendent of Joshua Poythress -
21 to be born with the surname 'Poythress.' The name thus became extinct in
the "21" branch."

MP		05/09/2002 6:14:29
My LDS TripThanks to all of you for the pointers and advice. I enjoyed my visit to the
Family Center. Todays visit was mostly learning how everything works. The
people were very nice and helpful, as you all said they would be. I ordered
my first film and will learn how to use the Microfilm when it arrives. Today
I tried out a few names to see how the system works.

Elaine



05/09/2002 12:48:51
Re: Thomas, George, LewisMaynard, in catching up on my email, I saw your statement below:

'We "know" Thomas was the father of George through numerous documents.'

It would be appreciated if you could remind me of the specific references
that show the relationship between Thomas and George. I know George's
will shows George's relation to Lewis. I know we have documents that
show the relationship between Meredith and Thomas. I do not recall
anything that says George was son of Thomas. I do not recall anything
that says Lewis was son of Thomas. So I very much look forward to
hearing from you.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:16:42 EDT VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
> Barbara, I guess I'd be inclined to say this one is a "for sure."
> We "know"
> Thomas was the father of George through numerous documents. And
> then we
> "know" that
> George (dying in FL) is the brother of Lewis via the explicit
> relationship
> cited in George's will. True, it is possible that Lewis could have
> had
> "another" Thomas as his father but I'd think that one fairly
> unlikely the way
> the ages lined up.

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Research adviceKoscheskiThe fastest way to find all the information on almost any book is to look at
its "verso page". It is usually the second page [behind the title page].
There you will find the tilte, author, publisher, and copyright date, the
"call number" or dewey decimal number 743.xx, lca number , its subjects
where you will find it in any library, all of these are important to find
or order the book. if it is cheap per copy, then copy it and attach it to
your pages you xerox out of a book.
Patti		05/10/2002 3:26:15
Anna Stanley revisitedHello, Elaine. In a 4/16 message you mention: "I will rephotocopy the
pages in July when I go to Laurel, MS for a family reunion. I also plan
on going through some old papers and things that were my grandfather
Carl's and see if I find anything of interest." I have a request for
when you go to Mississippi. Barbara Neal and I (and perhaps others)
would be grateful if you could be on the lookout for any information
regarding COUSIN ANNA STANLEY. For years we have been pursuing a theory
that this woman might prove or support a connection between James E.
Poythress and Lewis Poythress.

Here is the story in brief. As you now know we all suspect, but have no
proof, that James E. Poythress (1803-1863), of Mecklenburg Co., VA, and
Sumter Co., AL, was the son of Lewis Poythress (ca. 1770 - ca. 1848) of
Mecklenburg Co., VA. There is an Anna Stanley associated with James E.
Poythress and an Anna Stanley (indirectly) associated with Lewis
Poythress. Are these two Anna Stanleys actually one and the same person?
We are interested in any information you may find to shed light on Anna
or Annas.

==========
Here are specifics on the connection between Anna and Lewis:

1) Rebecca L. Poythress (ca 1808 - aft 1860), daughter of Lewis
Poythress, married a Benjamin Stanley (ca 1800 - aft 1860) on 22 Jan 1832
in Mecklenburg, VA

2) Children in household of Benjamin and Rebecca (per 1840, 1850 and 1860
census records): George M. or W. (ca 1836), Sarah F. (ca 1837), Benjamin
L. (ca 1839), John D. (ca 1840), Martha B. J. or R. (ca 1846) and James
W. (ca 1850) BUT NO ANNA

3) The 1870 Brunswick, VA, household of (now widowed) Benjamin Stanley
shows three persons as follows:
Benjamin; age 72; male; white; farmer; $800 personal property;
$500 real estate; born VA
George M.; age 35; male; white; laborer; born VA (known to be son
of Benjamin and Rebecca)
ANNA; age 23; female; white; housekeeper; born VA (relation
unknown)

4) The 1876 will of Benjamin Stanley (Brunswick Will Book 20, pp. 418-19)
cites daughters Martha and Sarah, and references heirs of John D.
Stanley, a deceased son of Benjamin, BUT NO ANNA.)

5) The 1880 Brunswick, VA, household of George M. Stanley shows two
persons as follows:
Stanley, Geo M., white, male, age 47, head of house, single,
farmer
Valentine, George, black, male, age 11, servant, single, domestic
servant
This is the only entry of a Stanley in 1880 in Meherrin District (ED 30
and 195) or the bordering South Hill District (ED 149) of Mecklenburg Co.
Taken together, these three districts comprise the usual Virginia haunts
of the Lewis Poythress line. This indicates a) Anna was NOT the wife of
George M. and b) by 1880 Anna was no longer in the area, or no longer
surnamed Stanley.

In summary then, on the Lewis Poythress side of the story, we have in
1870 an Anna Stanley, born ca. 1847, living in the household of the
son-in-law of Lewis Poythress, but not evidenced before or after that
time.

==========
Here are specifics on the connection between Anna and James E.:

1) On 11 Jul 1998 Barbara posted to the list: 'I photographed a tintype
[labeled on the album page as] "Cousin Anna Stanley" which was in an old
album that belonged to Catharine Speed Preston (Mrs. James Edward
Poythress), which album has been held by an elderly cousin of mine for
many years, and which he obtained from his grandfather, one of the sons
of James Edward Poythress. The original paper backing of the tintype was
replaced about 100 years ago by lined paper, glued to the original
front-paper. On that lined paper backing, in old script, is written
"Anna Stanley" and the name of the photographer, which appears to be J.
C(?) Slorne, or possibly J. C. Sloane; presumably this was copied from
the original backing by whoever replaced the back with the lined
paper...From the dress and hairstyle of Anna, and the fact that it was a
tintype, I think the photo dates from the early 1860s. She appears to be
a young adult or possibly in her late teens.'

2) Barbara later estimated the age of the person in the photo to be 23 -
36.

3) Frances Preston (1796-1825), sister of Catharine, married a Benjamin
Stanley 15 Jan 1824 in Brunswick, Va.

In summary then, on the James E. Poythress side of the story, we have an
Anna, born ca. 1824 - 1842 (assuming the tintype is 1860-65) who is
called "cousin" by Mrs. James E. Poythress.

==========
There you have what we know. Any additional information on Anna Stanley
will be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com		05/10/2002 8:40:37
Re: Thomas, George, LewisIn a message dated 5/10/2002 2:43:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
llbaird@juno.com writes:
> 'We "know" Thomas was the father of George through numerous documents.'
> (Actually, I wrote it but AOL's reply system always says the sender "said"
> something or other).
>
Lyn, you rascal, you're going to get me to make a "George" timeline yet and
that is a monster project. Until then, I will say that we have no document
that actually "says" that Thomas was George's father. However, I feel it is
about as much a cinch as one can have on circumstantial evidence. With
respect to this many documents, it's almost as if the two guys were joined at
the hip.

Since Thomas died ca 1800 he is on no Georgia census. He preceded George as
Sheriff of Burke County, he is likely one of "the orphans of Thomas
Poythress" (along with his mother Martha/Patsy) in a Georgia land lottery,
George was the administrator of Thomas' estate, he settles a number of
Thomas' affairs following Thomas' death and takes enough great liberties in
doing so to say "son.". In total there is a myriad of other documents that
practically shout the relationship at one.

It strikes me that almost a greater source of skepticism would be that "a"
Thomas was the father of Meredith but it was not the same Thomas as the
father of George. I think this one is also remote.

None-the-less, I'll start working on a time line on George.

Maynard		05/11/2002 4:36:56
NC Archives seeking WW2 VetsCharles NealI read in my newsletter from the Friends of the North Carolina Archives
that they are seeking World War II veterans in North Carolina, to interview
them pertaining to their service and experiences while in the military.
They strongly encourage veterans, their families, and others interested in
this to contact them. As the article said, all who served in the armed
forces deserve our appreciation - whether they served in war or peace.

They have completed over 300 interviews with veterans from Desert Storm,
Vietnam, the Korean War, WW II, and World War I, but seek more. They noted
that especially now when so many World War II veterans are passing from our
midst, it is vitally important to record and document this history while we
can. They rely heavily on volunteers throughout the state of NC to assist
in recording interviews on audiocassette or video tapes.

For more info, contact Sion Harrington (USAR Retired), of the North
Carolina Archives Military Collection Unit, Special Collections Branch. He
can be reached by phone at 919-733-3952 or by email at
sion.harrington@ncmail.net.

They also are seeking any available original papers that anyone wishes to
donate to them regarding how wars and conflicts have touched the lives of
North Carolinians -- including personal papers, letters, diaries, photos,
reminiscences, memoirs, and military documents such as sets of orders,
discharges, & citations. Their Military Collection Unit will accept clear
photocopies of discharges if the originals cannot be donated; this is an
exception to the normal State Archives rule, due to the major fire in 1973
at the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis, MO that destroyed
over 80% of our nation's military records.

For more info, or to donate documentary materials relating to this, contact
Sion Harrington (USAR Retired) at
NC Archives & Records Section
Attn: Military Collection
4614 Mail Service Center
Raleigh, NC 27699-4614
phone: 919-733-3952
email: sion.harrington@ncmail.net.		05/11/2002 11:21:25
Re: Anna Stanley revisitedI will keep my eye out. If this picture can be scanned and emailed to me, it
might help me spot a photo of her, if one is in the old photos my Grandfather
had.

Elaine



05/11/2002 11:32:16
Re: VAPRINCEG-D Digest V02 #40In a message dated 5/17/2002 6:07:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
VAPRINCEG-D-request@rootsweb.com writes:


> X-Message: #2
> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:23:23 EDT
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> Hello,
> After seeing the query from John Poythress the name stuck in my mind
>
> and later that morning I went to look at a Prince George Co microfilm that
> I
> had ordered. I found the following and hope it will help someone.
>
> Bothwell Cemetery-2 miles south of Ford, Dinwiddie Co., Va.
> "Here lyes the corpse of Mary Poythress, daughter of Captain William Eppes
> and wife to William Poythress, Jun, who dyed the 4th day of October 1750
> aged
> 19 years"
>
> Beverly Moxley
>
> Beverly:
>
> Many, many thanks. While I know you have no direct interest in this, I
> expect you may be a surprised as I was at the coincidence between this
> grave
at Bothwell and the one below which is outside the front door of the chapel
at
> Blandford Cemetary in Petersburg:
>
> "Here lyes the corpse of Sarah Poythress, daughter of Col. Francis Eppes
> and wife to Colonel William Poythress, who dyed the ___ day of October1750
> aged 48 years. (the blank is a cannonball hit).
>
> Almost spooky.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> John		05/17/2002 9:37:34
Mary_______A new slant, one that makes some sense, we have a lot of work to do. Should
have fitured it was that Eppes bunch and the intermarriages between the 2
families for
150 or so years.

Subj: Poythress
Date: 5/13/2002
To: VAPRINCEG-L@rootsweb.com

Francis Poythress (the immigrant) appears Charles City 1632. Marries
Mary________. Children are:

1. Jane m. Thomas Rolfe (generally accepted but not exactly chiseled in
stone).
2. John m. Christian Peebles
3. Thomas, unmd.
4. Francis (2) m. Rebecca Coggin.

Upon death of Francis (1) his widow Mary m. Capt. Robert Wynne.

Does anyone have Mary's maiden name documented?

Already known (but not necessarily discounted) candidates:

Frances - likely just a confusion with first husband's given name
Peterson - a Francis Poythress did m. a Mary Peterson but that's a Francis 2
generations down.
Peyton - no evidence that I have seen.
Sloman - has a rationale but it's a slim thread: this is a name that had not
previously appeared in either family and it shows up in 1st and 2nd
generations after widow Mary's marriage to Capt. Wynne in mid-1650s. Perhaps
Francis Poythress gave his offspring names of HIS family because he was a
hard case.....and Capt. Wynne was a kinder and gentler soul allowing Mary to
intoduce her family name?

Would appreciate any help with this lady's maiden name.

Thanks,

John M. Poythress


Subj: Mary Sloman
Date: 5/15/2002 9:01:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: BGilm59432
To: VKRatliff
Most of my research is by the internet and what I have needs to be confirmed
but it seems the most likely answer I've found for Mary's maiden name. John
Epes b. 1550 in Kent Co., England and his wife Thomasina Fisher had a
daughter, Katherine bc 1579 that d. 1582. There was a second daughter named
Katherine bc 1588. She md. 1st a cousin Peter Maplesden 18 Nov. 1606. He died
bef. 1615 as at that time there was a lic. to marry dated 24 May 1615 in
Ashford, Kent Co., Eng. for her and John Sloman. After Peter's death she md.
a John Sloman of Kent Co., England. Katherine was a sister of the Francis
Epes, the immigrant,who md. Marie Pawlett and thus the aunt of the Francis
Epes who md. Elizabeth Littlebury.
After the death of Francis Poythress his wife Mary ?Sloman md. Col. Robert
Wynne. There followed a lawsuit in the rights of his wife Mary over her
inheritance. The lawsuit was with Francis and William Epes. So it seems she
was connected to the Epes family and probably the d/o John Sloman and
Katherine Epes. John Sloman appears as a headright on a couple of trips to VA
but all this needs more research. There is a very good workup on the Epes
family at
Ihope this helps and if you learn more, please, let me know.
Billie Jean Gilmore


I went to the site above and the heading is "Chapter 14" which made me think
for all the world that it would be directly from that book that some of us
have (Ancestors and Descendants of Francis Epes I of Virginia ). Well, it
may be but it's likely to not be easy to find. The Epes book is not arranged
by chapters.

In any event, I think Ms. Gilmore has presented us with some red meat on this
subject.

And the issue of that lawsuit is ringing bells. Would someone refresh my
memory?
Many thanks.


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Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:47:05 EDT
Subject: Request of the Pros
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I am about to put together a little information on what I have learned, or
think I have learned, about our Poythress line to take to the reunion in
July. I am going to type a Mini-Bio on the lines Thomas James through James
Speed Poythress. Would any of you be willing to look over what I have and
correct me where I have errors? I will list at the bottom what I base my
dates on and you can counter if you have more reliable information , as I am
sure most of you have information that I do not have. I will also state if I
do not have a source and you could let me what your source is. I will send
one or two Poythress' a day until I have finished the lines. I promise they
will be very brief.

I do not have a program yet to keep them all straight, so I am doing this
the old fashioned way, by reading the archives and then writing by hand,
but getting your imput will also help to insure when I do get a program the
information I put on it will be correct.

I did not post this on the Poythress list because I did not want to bore the
browsers with repeated information or information that doesn't pertain to
their specific line. If you feel that I should let me know and I will.

I really would appreciate your help.

Many Thanks,
Elaine

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Request of the Pros ( Thomas James Poythress)Here is the first in the series of what I think I have learned about my
Poythress Line. Your feedback is greatly appreciated.

Thomas James Poythress b. abt 1740 Dinwiddie, VA - d. 1800 Burke Co., GA
Thomas settled in the area of Brunswick Co. VA.

Thomas married Martha (Patsy) unknown. b. abt 1745

Their children: 1. Meredith b. abt 1760 VA 2. George b. abt 1765 3.
Thomas Jr.
b. abt. 1767 4. Edward b. abt. 1769 5. Lewis b. abt. 1771

Thomas and Martha along with all the children except Lewis moved to Burke Co,
GA in about 1786.
Thomas became Sheriff of Burke Co. GA in Oct. 1799. He died in office in
1800.

Thomas had a brother William Poythress b. abt. 1745, who went to Burke Co
with Thomas.

The parents of Thomas have not been proven at this time.

Questions?

The dates of birth of children are estimated from cencus records. I think
the messages on the L-list, on Thomas and Martha's DOB, would be from
estimated guess. I have not seen them on any census or any source listed
for their DOB's. I also have not seen a marriage date for them. Do any of
you have a marriage date? I also would like to know if their children were
born in Dinwiddie or Brunswick VA?

Thanks to you all.
Elaine

1		05/19/2002 5:54:22
Re: Request of the Pros ( Thomas James Poythress)Elaine, see my comments in brackets. Under separate cover I will send
you the Thomas Poythress timeline prepared by Maynard and modified
slightly by me to clarify the Georgia v. Virginia activities. This
timeline contains most if not all the "hard evidence" on Thomas. The
rest is...well, see my comments below. -Lyn

==========================
Thomas James [NO SOURCES OF THIS MIDDLE NAME HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THIS
LIST. UNTIL SOMEONE COMES FORWARD WITH A SOURCE, I SUGGEST WE REGARD IT
AS LORE AND AVOID USING IT.] Poythress b. abt 1740 Dinwiddie, VA [DITTO
ON DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH - NO SOURCE, TREAT AS LORE.] - d. 1800 Burke
Co., GA
Thomas settled in the area of Brunswick Co. VA.

Thomas married Martha (Patsy) unknown. b. abt 1745 [NO SOURCE ON AGE OF
MARTHA, TREAT AS LORE.]

Their children: 1. Meredith b. abt 1760 VA 2. George b. abt 1765 [NO
SOURCE HAS BEEN SHARED WITH THE LIST DEFINING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
GEORGE AND THOMAS SR.] 3. Thomas Jr. b. abt. 1767 [NO SOURCE HAS BEEN
SHARED WITH THE LIST DEFINING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THOMAS JR. AND
THOMAS SR.] 4. Edward b. abt. 1769 [NO SOURCE HAS BEEN SHARED WITH THE
LIST DEFINING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN EDWARD AND THOMAS SR.] 5. Lewis
b. abt. 1771 [LEWIS IS THE BROTHER OF GEORGE. SO AS GEORGE GOES, LEWIS
GOES, WITH RESPECT TO THOMAS. AS A PERSON WHO HAS RESEARCHED LEWIS
EXTENSIVELY, I HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF 1771 AS A BIRTH YEAR FOR LEWIS.]

Thomas and Martha along with all the children except Lewis moved to Burke
Co, GA in about 1786. [FROM THE MARVELOUS TIMELINE OF THOMAS PREPARED BY
OUR LIST MEMBER, MAYNARD POYTHRESS, WE FIND THE EARLIEST EVIDENCE OF
THOMAS IN BURKE COUNTY, GA, IN 1788 AND THE LATEST EVIDENCE OF THOMAS IN
BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VA, IN 1797. WHEN HE ACTUALLY RELOCATED, WE DO NOT
KNOW. THIS IS FURTHER CONFUSED BY THE EXISTENCE OF A THOMAS SR AND A
THOMAS JR., BOTH EVIDENCED IN VIRGINIA IN 1781. SO IT IS POSSIBLE ONE IS
IN VIRGINIA WHILE THE OTHER IS IN GEORGIA.] Thomas became Sheriff of
Burke Co. GA in Oct. 1799. He died in office in 1800.

Thomas had a brother [TREAT THIS RELATIONSHIP AS LORE; NO SOURCE
MATERIALS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH THE LIST.] William Poythress b. abt. 1745
[TREAT AS LORE.], who went to Burke Co with Thomas.

The parents of Thomas have not been proven at this time. [TRUE; AND A
GREAT PART OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAS BEEN CLAIMED ABOUT THOMAS AS WELL.
I THINK SOME OF THE ABOVE INFORMATION IS THE PRODUCT OF AN ACTIVE
IMAGINATION. 🙂 ]


On Sun, 19 May 2002 23:54:22 EDT Denver145@aol.com writes:
> Here is the first in the series of what I think I have learned about
> my
> Poythress Line. Your feedback is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thomas James Poythress b. abt 1740 Dinwiddie, VA - d. 1800 Burke
> Co., GA
> Thomas settled in the area of Brunswick Co. VA.
>
> Thomas married Martha (Patsy) unknown. b. abt 1745
>
> Their children: 1. Meredith b. abt 1760 VA 2. George b. abt 1765
> 3.
> Thomas Jr.
> b. abt. 1767 4. Edward b. abt. 1769 5. Lewis b. abt. 1771
>
> Thomas and Martha along with all the children except Lewis moved to
> Burke Co,
> GA in about 1786.
> Thomas became Sheriff of Burke Co. GA in Oct. 1799. He died in
> office in
> 1800.
>
> Thomas had a brother William Poythress b. abt. 1745, who went to
> Burke Co
> with Thomas.
>
> The parents of Thomas have not been proven at this time.
>
> Questions?
>
> The dates of birth of children are estimated from cencus records.
> I think
> the messages on the L-list, on Thomas and Martha's DOB, would be
> from
> estimated guess. I have not seen them on any census or any source
> listed
> for their DOB's. I also have not seen a marriage date for them. Do
> any of
> you have a marriage date? I also would like to know if their
> children were
> born in Dinwiddie or Brunswick VA?
>
> Thanks to you all.
> Elaine		05/20/2002 3:18:07
Re: Request of the Pros ( Thomas James Poythress)Elaine, I couldn't have said it better than Lyn.

Lyn's "evidence requirements" are even tougher than mine. I'm inclined to
accept
"James" as Thomas Poythress' middle name based on heavy circumstantial
evidence presented by Georgia Ellison plus the drum roll coming from other
quarters.

Lyn makes an excellent point that we have been unable to develop and will
likely not ever develop.......along about 1785-90, the "Thomas" activities.
"Thomas" seems to be making so many trips between VA and GA that the events
stand a decent chance of being those of both Thomas Sr. and Thomas Jr.
Thomas, Jr. seems to be a murky character who appears briefly a few times and
then falls off the radar screen.

The father-son relationship of Thomas-George has not been found chiseled in
stone. However, I'd be inclined to accept Thomas-George even before I would
accept a challenge that Meredith, Sr. was not the "son" of THIS PARTICULAR
Thomas......and I make that only about a 10% chance of being "wrong."

Elaine, you will discover that when you want something that is a) organized
and b) ready to take to the bank.......Lyn is your guy. Thanks for bailing
me out on this one, Lyn.

Maynard		05/20/2002 5:53:36
Re: Request of the Pros ( Thomas James Poythress)Ok you two. It all makes sense, but it can drive ya crazy, when you know
there is a dot somewhere and you may never connect it. I am one who has
always wanted the ducks in a row and if one gets out of line I want to
physically straighten him up. I think maybe I should have never started this
project because so these ducks just do not want to behave. (I guess I will
have to get use to disorder). My family would not believe I just said that.
I have driven them crazy for 25 years , with my everything in its place
syndrome.

I do have a question regarding Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress for anyone who
would like to bite. Has anyone ever researched surname Meredith? The reason
I ask is, assuming Meredith is" possibly" a son of Martha Patsy Unknown, and
the name Meredith not showing up in any other line, except Meredith Sr. and
Jr. (we have oodles of James, Edwards, Thomas and so on), could it be
possible that her father was a Meredith? A first born often got the surname
of a Mother's father, as in the case of Cleaton Poythress who got surname
Cleaton, as his first name. It is just a thought (still trying to get those
ducks in a row, Ah! will I ever be able to get use to the clutter!!!!)

Elaine		05/21/2002 5:03:22
Re: Request of the Pros ( Thomas James Poythress)In a message dated 5/21/2002 11:05:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Denver145@aol.com writes:
> I do have a question regarding Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress for anyone who
> would like to bite. Has anyone ever researched surname Meredith? The
> reason
> I ask is, assuming Meredith is" possibly" a son of Martha Patsy Unknown,
> and
> the name Meredith not showing up in any other line, except Meredith Sr.
> and
> Jr. (we have oodles of James, Edwards, Thomas and so on), could it be
> possible that her father was a Meredith? A first born often got the
> surname
> of a Mother's father, as in the case of Cleaton Poythress who got surname
> Cleaton, as his first name. It is just a thought (still trying to get
> those
> ducks in a row, Ah! will I ever be able to get use to the clutter!!!!)
> Elaine
>
> Elaine......you have touched on a question often pondered but never
> answered successfully. There was indeed a surname Meredith guy bumping
> around Mecklenburg County a generation or two prior to the birth/naming of
> Meredith Poythress. Every time I have seen that as a surname I have
> pursued it briefly, or at least to the point that I didn't see anything
> there worth pursuing. There are no censuses, no church records that I have
> seen, just no nothing on surname Meredith. Name appears on a tax record or
> two but none of that shows him as wealthy or successful or even having a
> child.

Don't forget, however, that "family" naming wasn't the only common method;
there was a lot of "favor currying" by naming a child after a celebrity
(local or otherwise).
And I have never found anything overtly outstanding about Samson Meredith
(which was the guy's name) that involved either fame or fortune.. It's just
been a dead end for me.

Maynard		05/21/2002 9:55:36
Merediths in Mecklenburg Co., VAFresh eyes always help.

I went to Google and gave it Meredith in Mecklenburg County, VA. There are
a blue million of them. I poked about in the first 10 pages, you might want
to do the same.

Couple of points...1) a lot of them are contemporary 2) when scanning be sure
it's Mecklenburg Co, VA and not NC (Charlotte).

I'll do some more work on it but that's an interesting line of thought you
had.

Best,

Maynard		05/21/2002 12:11:15
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Sorry I didn't make myself clear. I was referring to Martha (Patsy) ?
Poythress, wife of Thomas Poythress of Brunswick, VA.

Elaine

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This patsy different from Martha who is Mattie and wife of James Speed P of
Meridian MS ?
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> Ok you two. It all makes sense, but it can drive ya crazy, when you
know
> there is a dot somewhere and you may never connect it. I am one who has
> always wanted the ducks in a row and if one gets out of line I want to
> physically straighten him up. I think maybe I should have never started
this
> project because so these ducks just do not want to behave. (I guess I will
> have to get use to disorder). My family would not believe I just said
that.
> I have driven them crazy for 25 years , with my everything in its place
> syndrome.
>
> I do have a question regarding Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress for anyone who
> would like to bite. Has anyone ever researched surname Meredith? The
reason
> I ask is, assuming Meredith is" possibly" a son of Martha Patsy Unknown,
and
> the name Meredith not showing up in any other line, except Meredith Sr.
and
> Jr. (we have oodles of James, Edwards, Thomas and so on), could it be
> possible that her father was a Meredith? A first born often got the
surname
> of a Mother's father, as in the case of Cleaton Poythress who got surname
> Cleaton, as his first name. It is just a thought (still trying to get
those
> ducks in a row, Ah! will I ever be able to get use to the clutter!!!!)
>
> Elaine
>
>
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> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
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Dixon Hollingsworth PapersNot to be confused with Atlanta Genealogist Leon Hollingsworth, Dixon
Hollingsworth and his father before him were editors of the local Sylvania
(Screven County) newspaper. Dixon Hollingsworth was an outstanding area
historian but correctly modest in his genealogical claims.

Over a number of years, Dixon Hollingsworth and his father before him
collected mostly newspaper scraps and either typed or pasted them on 3 x 5
index cards. He amassed some 15M cards, fortunately all arranged
alphabetically by surname. A couple of years ago I spent a some time in the
Screven County Library (now the Screven-Jenkins Regional Library System) and
recorded all the information which contained Poythresses and any related
families that I had even heard of.

At any rate, the full and original accumulation is now digitalized on the
Screven-Jenkins Regional Library System site.
(http://www.sjrls.public.lib.ga.us/). It is supposed to be easily
searchable since it is all indexed alphabetically. I curiously noted that I
had listed more Poythresses and related surnames than the site had; probably
a function of me working more or less competently with the cards themselves
and incompetently searching the digitalized index.

If you have an interest in Screven County, you can either searce the site
above or I will be happy to send you a copy of my Hollingsworth transcription
document for all Poythesses and related surnames in this Hollingsworth
collection. AOL will zip it as it is quite lengthy.

Maynard		05/22/2002 9:24:06
Re: Poythress-Meredith? / Virginia / 1700'sElaine, you bring up an interesting possibility that I had not
considered. One branch of the Meredith family was somewhat prominent in
southwestern Brunswick County, Virginia, in the latter 19th century and
early 20th (perhaps before, I do not know). The ancestral home is on
Evans Creek Road, perhaps a couple of miles north of US58 / Governor
Harrison Parkway, and just north of Evans Creek. A great-grandfather of
mine recalled working as a farm hand there about 1880. I just don't know
anything about the earlier Merediths.

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Tue, 21 May 2002 11:03:22 EDT Denver145@aol.com writes:
> I do have a question regarding Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress for
> anyone who
> would like to bite. Has anyone ever researched surname Meredith?
> The reason
> I ask is, assuming Meredith is" possibly" a son of Martha Patsy
> Unknown, and
> the name Meredith not showing up in any other line, except Meredith
> Sr. and
> Jr. (we have oodles of James, Edwards, Thomas and so on), could it
> be
> possible that her father was a Meredith?
> Elaine

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I need an Interpreter (Please)I ran across transcript of Diary of John Blair (1) from William and Mary
College Vol.8,
No. 1. (July., 1899), pp. 1-17.

A Poythress is mentioned, and I do not understand, what is being said.
Could someone familiar with (Old English) please interpret for me. I am only
fluent in Mississippi Southern Drawl.

Thanks,
Elaine		05/31/2002 3:56:33
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I guess it would help if I quoted what the diary said.

"One Poythress, of Pri. Geo., is admitted to bring ejectmts agt Col. Bland,
and 5 more, in forma pauperis."

Thanks again,
Elaine


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I ran across transcript of Diary of John Blair (1) from William and Mary
College Vol.8,
No. 1. (July., 1899), pp. 1-17.

A Poythress is mentioned, and I do not understand, what is being said.
Could someone familiar with (Old English) please interpret for me. I am only
fluent in Mississippi Southern Drawl.

Thanks,
Elaine

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Re: I need an Interpreter (Please)Elaine...."in form paupens status" (Latin) means that a poor person is
relieved of the fees and costs of a legal action because of inability to pay.
"Ejectmts agt Col. Bland" would be (I suppose) ejectments against Col. Bland
but until it's seen in context one doesn't know what the "ejectments" are,
or, for that matter, much of anything about the matter.

Only "William & Mary" is not a citation one can do much with. Most of this
stuff came out of Wm & Mary but until 1935 it was called "Va. Historical
Mag." and after 1935 it's called "Wm & Mary Quarterly." I found the years
1899-1900 in vol. 7 (VA Historical Mag.) and nothing of the diary you mention
(which is not to say it's not there.....Mr Swem (later) could have missed the
short Poythress reference.

I would suggest that picking random bits and pieces out of any of these
publications is only going to be confusing and that there is a way to
sequentially and logically follow all of this early Va. published material
and simultaneously get yourself into a lot of marvelous 8 and 10 page
"studies" of various Poythress individuals that were printed in these various
Va. publications beginning many years ago.

The librarian at Wm & Mary for many, many years was a man named Gregg Swem
(now deceased) who complied what is commonly referred to in the genealogy biz
as "the Swem Index". It can be found in virtually any major library with a
decent genealogy section. And, as I hope you have found, a major library
with a genealogy section usually means that there will be a decent amount of
Virginia material (as the saying goes: in the beginning Virginia was all
there was).

What Mr. Swem did was to take all of the major "journals" (VA. Mag. of
History, Wm & Mary Quarterly, Henings Statutes of Va., etc. etc. and "name
index" the entire shooting match by SURNAME. Page 486 of his index contains
easily a couple of hundred Poythresses coded by given name, code for the name
of the publication,
vol. #, and page number. If you get a copy of Mr. Swem's book and read the
intro it will all come pretty clear. And it's quite likely that all of the
series' which Mr. Swem quotes will be in a library with a genealogy section.

One then takes the index, finds the appropriate vol. and pages cited and just
photocopies the articles and references. It should take a few days of
library work at the end of which time you'll have just about every
"scholarly" article or referance to Poythress (and maybe there are some not
so scholarly). You'll have about 300 priceless pages when you are done.

I'm sorry to answer a short question with such a windy answer but that's the
story.

Best,

Maynard		05/31/2002 5:57:02
Re: EjectmentFrom A TO ZAX - A COMPREHENSIVE DICTIONARY FOR GENEALOGISTS & HISTORIANS
one finds:

Ejectment: a suit brought into court by a property owner to recover the
use of property for either failing to pay rent or for misusing the
property

Best regards,
Lyn P. Baird
llbaird@juno.com

On Fri, 31 May 2002 23:57:02 EDT VKRatliff@aol.com writes:
> Elaine...."in form paupens status" (Latin) means that a poor person
> is
> relieved of the fees and costs of a legal action because of
> inability to pay.
> "Ejectmts agt Col. Bland" would be (I suppose) ejectments against
> Col. Bland
> but until it's seen in context one doesn't know what the
> "ejectments" are,
> or, for that matter, much of anything about the matter.
>
> Best,
>
> Maynard

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Re: Col Bland, His Grandfather, Thomas Bennett b 1570 9 (Resend) Sorry!!Frederick BairdTO ALL:
Ya'll seem to be a very knowlegeable group.
I have followed your posts with interest.
I am going to explore your thinking a little bit larger.
First of all ,I think I am related in some way or ways,Perhapsa you can
steer me in the right direction.
Let me start with John Baird and Margaret Rookings.John b.ca.1675 d.
prior to 15 Sept 1738. md. argaretbca. 1700,lived at Jamestown, James
city Co. Va.until ca 1717 when he moved to Chippokes Creek in Prince
Geeorge Co. Va.He was a Miller and a Millwright,building dams ,Mills
etc.and a gentleman of
some substance.He had a son Rook that also built mills etc. His son
Benjamin b.ca 1720 md. Sarah Batte Jones, dau. of John Jones.He was also
a mill man and a man of some substance.He had a dau. Sarah that md into
the wealthy and powerful Speed family. b. ca 1744 md. ca 1766 to john
speed Jr.
He also had sons John Batte Baird b. ca 1746 md. Jenny Jennings. john
Batte had a brother named
Alexander Baird who md. Jenny's sister Elizabeth.
Now---I believe the Speeds and Poythress's intermarried,and probably the
Bairds.
Now---Going out on a limb,My Gt. Gd. father is Samuel Baird b. 22 Sept.
1801,his father is Alexander
son of John Batte Baird.
Now--- I have also noticed there were Blands, Smiths etc. also living
near these people,
Some later moved to Mechlenberg,and Lunenburg counties then on to North
Carolina, S.C and Tn.
Back to my samuel, His wife was Matilda Rutledge, Matilda's father was
Richard Rutledge and he md.
Winifred Patience Elizabeth Bland Smith Dau. of Abner Smith they were md
1774 S.C. and she d. 26 June 1837 at hanging Rock South Carolina.Now---
If you havn't already cut the limb off, I would be most pleased if all
who would care to guess, speculate with me or know how any of these
pieces of the puzzle fit,
I would love to hear from you.
Thanks in advance
Fred
ftbaird@juno.com
801-373-2150.
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 17:17:53 EDT Denver145@aol.com writes:
> I do not understand what happen the first time I tryed to send this
> to the
> list.
>
>
> Elaine,
>
> I too am a lad of mississippi and yesterday if I had
> only knew
> you would meantion Col Theodorick Bland b 1740, I could have cleared
> up (I
> think ) the Poythress word for you. His uncle Col Richard Bland b
> 1710 was
> married to Anne Poythress. Richard was a member of the first
> congress of
> America. Both Richard and Theodorick were my cousins,
>
> Col Bland in his will which I am encloseing for you is safe,
> microsoft word. In this will you will see gave to; Col Robert
> Bolling of
> Petersburg, Benjamin Harrison of Brandon, Peter Epes, Inman Baker,
> St.
> George Tucker, and Dr. Issac Hall and Griffin Peachy, 2 acres of
> land.
> William & Mary College I think is the purpose in mind of this? You
> read the
> will and see what you think.
>
> If you will note John Randolph almost at the bottom of
> the page,
> was his nephew, Cpl Bland's
> sister, Frances Bland born 1752, the mother of John Randolph. Col
> Bland and
> his sister Frances Bland were the children of Theodorick Bland born
> 1719,
> and Francis Bolling. The Richard Bland I spoke of he and his wife
> Anne had
> a son born 1730, named Richard, he Married Mary Bolling,
> ggggranddaughter to
> Pocahontas, Mary b 1744 was the daughter of John Bolling Jr . The
> Poythress's are many and in this line there are a great amount of
> them.
>
> Elaine , I will enclose eone more attachment,( Thomas Bennett B
> 1570), was
> the grandfather to both Richard Bland and Theodorick, the reason
> why I have
> all of this and a lot more is this (Thomas was my Grandfather
> also.)
>
> I also have many Poythress individuals in my
> files.
> I'm not trying to be show be a show off, these are my people, some
> make
> crude remarks but being an ex-master parachutist for our uncle, I can
> take
> it. If you don't need this information, just delete . Richard
> Bennett b
> 1608, the son of Thomas is the cause of all these Blands and being
> here as
> his daughter Anne Bennett married Theodorick Bland Sr, b 1626 in
> england.
> Their son Richard Bland b 1665 and Frances Randolph were the parents
> of some
> famous children. I have them all.
>
> Sincerely, Ted Utica, Ms
> j2732@vicksburg.com
>
>
>
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Re: Col Bland , His grandfather, Thomas Bennett b 1570, also mine.Thank you so much. I was raised in Jackson MS and have been in Denver, CO
for 25 years. My fathers line comes from Laurel MS, via Meridian MS, via
Sumter AL, via Mecklenberg VA, probably via England, still have a dot to
connect first. My maiden name is Poythress. I am coming to MS in July for
a family reunion. The heat and humidity are going to KILL me, but I am
looking forward to my visit. The South is so beautiful. I miss the gorgeous
flowers and of coarse the food. Look out Krystal Hamburgar's and boiled
peanuts, here I come.

Have you browsed the archives at POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com. Everything they
have found on the Poythress' is posted in the archives, and if you see that
you have additional Poythress information that is not in the archives, we
would all be thankful, if you would post it on our website.

Sincerely,
Elaine		06/01/2002 10:50:19
Col Bland, His Grandfather, Thomas Bennett b 1570 9 (Resend) Sorry!!I do not understand what happen the first time I tryed to send this to the
list.


Elaine,

I too am a lad of mississippi and yesterday if I had only knew
you would meantion Col Theodorick Bland b 1740, I could have cleared up (I
think ) the Poythress word for you. His uncle Col Richard Bland b 1710 was
married to Anne Poythress. Richard was a member of the first congress of
America. Both Richard and Theodorick were my cousins,

Col Bland in his will which I am encloseing for you is safe,
microsoft word. In this will you will see gave to; Col Robert Bolling of
Petersburg, Benjamin Harrison of Brandon, Peter Epes, Inman Baker, St.
George Tucker, and Dr. Issac Hall and Griffin Peachy, 2 acres of land.
William & Mary College I think is the purpose in mind of this? You read the
will and see what you think.

If you will note John Randolph almost at the bottom of the page,
was his nephew, Cpl Bland's
sister, Frances Bland born 1752, the mother of John Randolph. Col Bland and
his sister Frances Bland were the children of Theodorick Bland born 1719,
and Francis Bolling. The Richard Bland I spoke of he and his wife Anne had
a son born 1730, named Richard, he Married Mary Bolling, ggggranddaughter to
Pocahontas, Mary b 1744 was the daughter of John Bolling Jr . The
Poythress's are many and in this line there are a great amount of them.

Elaine , I will enclose eone more attachment,( Thomas Bennett B 1570), was
the grandfather to both Richard Bland and Theodorick, the reason why I have
all of this and a lot more is this (Thomas was my Grandfather also.)

I also have many Poythress individuals in my files.
I'm not trying to be show be a show off, these are my people, some make
crude remarks but being an ex-master parachutist for our uncle, I can take
it. If you don't need this information, just delete . Richard Bennett b
1608, the son of Thomas is the cause of all these Blands and being here as
his daughter Anne Bennett married Theodorick Bland Sr, b 1626 in england.
Their son Richard Bland b 1665 and Frances Randolph were the parents of some
famous children. I have them all.

Sincerely, Ted Utica, Ms j2732@vicksburg.com




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RE: Speed, Bland, Baird QuiryFred, I am not very familiar with the Speed line itself, yet. My
G-Grandfather was James Speed Poythress. His mother was Mary Speed Dortch,
who married my
GG-Grandfather, David Poythress in Mecklenberg, VA in 1827. If I am correct,
her parents were Newman Dortch and Sarah Speed both of Mecklenberg, VA. The
list members, will please correct me if I am wrong. David, after the death
of Mary, married Sally Dortch in Warren County, NC. Relationship of Mary and
Sally is unknown. There are other Speed connected members of this list,
whom I am sure could give a more indepth lineage of the Speed's.

As far as the Baird's and Bland's, I am just now delving into these lines
myself, so I will rely on my fellow Poythress researchers to help you out
with these lines.

Elaine		06/02/2002 8:51:53
Diary of John BlairIn case anyone was interested in reading the transcription of this Diary, and
since Maynard said he couldn't find it: Go to the US GENWEB archives on
rootsweb, click search by state, click VA and use surname Wall (some of those
Wall boys married Meredith's, still tryin to find a Surname for our Martha
(Patsy) ? Poythress). There are two parts posted on there. The first one
had the reference to the Poythress, I was talking about and I haven't read
the second one yet.

Elaine



06/02/2002 9:13:48
RE: Speed, Bland, Baird QuiryLou PooleWall?! What did I miss? Must have been asleep at the wheel..

Lou

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To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Speed, Bland, Baird Quiry


Elaine.....

in short....I'm embarrassed to admit that I never thought to "hook" the
Meredith name to anyone else as a surname. Shoot, it's a natural. That

field is wide open for discovery. I intend to work it, having been
properly
admonished by you for my sin of omission. Looks like you brought your
portable confession booth with you.

Re Wall.....suggest you go "to the board" (innocently) with queries on
THIS
subject.
We have a couple of real Wall affectionatos. I'll again do a mea culpa
for
not paying too much attention to them. However, given the proper yank
on
their Chatty Cathy strings, I'm sure they will come to life for you.

Nice to have fresh impetus on this otherwise moribund board of we
cooters.
You ARE appreciated.

Maynard


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Re: Speed, Bland, Baird QuiryElaine.....

in short....I'm embarrassed to admit that I never thought to "hook" the
Meredith name to anyone else as a surname. Shoot, it's a natural. That
field is wide open for discovery. I intend to work it, having been properly
admonished by you for my sin of omission. Looks like you brought your
portable confession booth with you.

Re Wall.....suggest you go "to the board" (innocently) with queries on THIS
subject.
We have a couple of real Wall affectionatos. I'll again do a mea culpa for
not paying too much attention to them. However, given the proper yank on
their Chatty Cathy strings, I'm sure they will come to life for you.

Nice to have fresh impetus on this otherwise moribund board of we cooters.
You ARE appreciated.

Maynard



06/04/2002 3:39:38
Re: Speed, Bland, Baird QuiryLou:

New gunslinger on the hot and dusty.......Elaine......hot on the trail of
those Walls and also raises the hitherto unconsidered 100% reasonable
possibility that it may just make some sense that the given name Meredith had
a surname connection somewhere in prior generations....duh...I shoulda thunk
o that.

Pay attention, Lou, these young sweet thangs may leave us geezers in the
dust.

Maynard		06/04/2002 4:41:11
Wall/Meredith/Lewis/PoythressVia Maynards suggestion, I am posting a possible theory I have for a
possible name for Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress who married Thomas Poythress of
Brunswick VA say maybe mid to late 1750's. At least it is something worth
checking out, to try and prove or disprove.

Ok here goes; We have Thomas Poythress and Martha (Patsy) Unknown, their
first child, they named Meredith (not a common Poythress name), then we
have Lewis, some say proven and some say not proven, son of Thomas and
Martha (another uncommon name for the Poythress'), well my thoughts are our
Martha (Patsy) unknown, could possibly be a Meredith, a Lewis(Meredith's and
Lewis' intermarried) or maybe even a Wall(Meredith's and Wall's
intermarried). All of these surnames were in Virginia (Prince George,
Dinwiddie/Brunswick, Hanover, and a few other surrounding counties) at the
time Thomas and Martha were in those areas. There was even a Lewis Meredith
b. abt. 1640 who emigrated from Wales to Maryland in the Queen Anne's County
area, and some of his and his brother John's and another brother, either
William or a Thomas lines, who migrated to Virginia. I do not know much
about these other surnames, as I am much to new at this research business,
but maybe some of you know about them or have the resources to explore this
theory. I stress, that is all it is at this point, just a hunch from the
most inexperienced Poythress Researcher on the list. But it is food for
thought don't you think.

Take care to you all and BPN, I am thinking about you.

Elaine		06/04/2002 5:11:32
RE: Wall/Meredith/Lewis/PoythressLou PooleJust some thoughts on the subject(s)...

I think you are probably right that "Meredith" may have originally been
a surname, and thus offers a possible clue as to marriage connections.

Similarly, Lewis may be derived from a surname, but I don't know of any
Lewises living in the area of the Poythresses in that time frame (of
course, I haven't exactly searched for them either). The prominent
Lewis family with which I'm familiar was either further north, or in the
Valley of Virginia area. Lewis as a given name certainly was a popular
one among some families, most notably in my knowledge and experience,
the Burwell family. So I don't think it's quite as reliable a clue as
Meredith might be.

There were in fact several branches of the Wall family, and the
relationship of these branches, if there was one, is still unknown (to
me, anyway). There was a Daniel Wall who appeared in the early Bristol
Parish records, with a number of sons, who eventually lived in the
northern part of Brunswick County (traces of this family, but only
traces, can be found in some extant Dinwiddie records). This is not the
Wall line that I believe married into the Poythress family, though they
both used John as a somewhat favored name. For what it's worth I don't
have a single Meredith identified within the John Wall family that I
think is allied with the Poythress family. (That's not to say that such
a connection won't eventually surface, but just a statement of the
lay-of-the-land as I now think I understand it.)

I've also learned by now that the prominent families in the area of
southern Virginia were so interlocked with marriages that they were
practically all related by marriage somehow. And that sure doesn't help
when playing the "name game."

Lou

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Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:12 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Wall/Meredith/Lewis/Poythress


Via Maynards suggestion, I am posting a possible theory I have for a
possible name for Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress who married Thomas
Poythress of
Brunswick VA say maybe mid to late 1750's. At least it is something
worth
checking out, to try and prove or disprove.

Ok here goes; We have Thomas Poythress and Martha (Patsy) Unknown,
their
first child, they named Meredith (not a common Poythress name), then
we
have Lewis, some say proven and some say not proven, son of Thomas and
Martha (another uncommon name for the Poythress'), well my thoughts are
our
Martha (Patsy) unknown, could possibly be a Meredith, a
Lewis(Meredith's and
Lewis' intermarried) or maybe even a Wall(Meredith's and Wall's
intermarried). All of these surnames were in Virginia (Prince George,
Dinwiddie/Brunswick, Hanover, and a few other surrounding counties) at
the
time Thomas and Martha were in those areas. There was even a Lewis
Meredith
b. abt. 1640 who emigrated from Wales to Maryland in the Queen Anne's
County
area, and some of his and his brother John's and another brother,
either
William or a Thomas lines, who migrated to Virginia. I do not know
much
about these other surnames, as I am much to new at this research
business,
but maybe some of you know about them or have the resources to explore
this
theory. I stress, that is all it is at this point, just a hunch from
the
most inexperienced Poythress Researcher on the list. But it is food for

thought don't you think.

Take care to you all and BPN, I am thinking about you.

Elaine


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RE: Wall/Meredith/Lewis/PoythressRandy Jones--- Lou Poole wrote:
> Just some thoughts on the subject(s)...
>
> I think you are probably right that "Meredith" may
> have originally been
> a surname, and thus offers a possible clue as to
> marriage connections.

Actually, Meridith was a Welsh prenom. Example: Prince
Maredudd [Meridith] ap Bleddyn of Powys (d.1132).
Prince George County had a number of early Welsh
settlers.

> Similarly, Lewis may be derived from a surname, but
> I don't know of any
> Lewises living in the area of the Poythresses in
> that time frame (of
> course, I haven't exactly searched for them either).
> The prominent
> Lewis family with which I'm familiar was either
> further north, or in the
> Valley of Virginia area. Lewis as a given name
> certainly was a popular
> one among some families, most notably in my
> knowledge and experience,
> the Burwell family. So I don't think it's quite as
> reliable a clue as
> Meredith might be.
>
> There were in fact several branches of the Wall
> family, and the
> relationship of these branches, if there was one, is
> still unknown (to
> me, anyway). There was a Daniel Wall who appeared
> in the early Bristol
> Parish records, with a number of sons, who
> eventually lived in the
> northern part of Brunswick County (traces of this
> family, but only
> traces, can be found in some extant Dinwiddie
> records). This is not the
> Wall line that I believe married into the Poythress
> family, though they
> both used John as a somewhat favored name. For what
> it's worth I don't
> have a single Meredith identified within the John
> Wall family that I
> think is allied with the Poythress family. (That's
> not to say that such
> a connection won't eventually surface, but just a
> statement of the
> lay-of-the-land as I now think I understand it.)
>
> I've also learned by now that the prominent families
> in the area of
> southern Virginia were so interlocked with marriages
> that they were
> practically all related by marriage somehow. And
> that sure doesn't help
> when playing the "name game."
>
> Lou
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Denver145@aol.com [mailto:Denver145@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:12 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Wall/Meredith/Lewis/Poythress
>
>
> Via Maynards suggestion, I am posting a possible
> theory I have for a
> possible name for Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress who
> married Thomas
> Poythress of
> Brunswick VA say maybe mid to late 1750's. At
> least it is something
> worth
> checking out, to try and prove or disprove.
>
> Ok here goes; We have Thomas Poythress and Martha
> (Patsy) Unknown,
> their
> first child, they named Meredith (not a common
> Poythress name), then
> we
> have Lewis, some say proven and some say not proven,
> son of Thomas and
> Martha (another uncommon name for the Poythress'),
> well my thoughts are
> our
> Martha (Patsy) unknown, could possibly be a
> Meredith, a
> Lewis(Meredith's and
> Lewis' intermarried) or maybe even a Wall(Meredith's
> and Wall's
> intermarried). All of these surnames were in
> Virginia (Prince George,
> Dinwiddie/Brunswick, Hanover, and a few other
> surrounding counties) at
> the
> time Thomas and Martha were in those areas. There
> was even a Lewis
> Meredith
> b. abt. 1640 who emigrated from Wales to Maryland in
> the Queen Anne's
> County
> area, and some of his and his brother John's and
> another brother,
> either
> William or a Thomas lines, who migrated to
> Virginia. I do not know
> much
> about these other surnames, as I am much to new at
> this research
> business,
> but maybe some of you know about them or have the
> resources to explore
> this
> theory. I stress, that is all it is at this point,
> just a hunch from
> the
> most inexperienced Poythress Researcher on the list.
> But it is food for
>
> thought don't you think.
>
> Take care to you all and BPN, I am thinking about
> you.
>
> Elaine
>
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Re: Poythress-StainbackIn a message dated 6/7/2002 7:10:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CHRATH writes:

> Subj:Poythress-Stainback
> Date:6/7/2002 7:10:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:CHRATH
> To:VKRatliff
> Hey John,
> I'm emailing you privately because I'm interested in learning more
> about a possible Poythress-Stainback connection. I know of the William
> Stainback that witnessed the will of John Poythress....but was wondering if
> maybe there may have been a marriage in there somewhere. I found a website
> on the Poythress Family and it was interesting to read of the locations of
> the deeds....it seems the Poythress's and Stainback's were at least
> neighbors. There had to be at least a Poythress or Eppes marriage in the
> early Stainbacks. William Stainback Jr. had son's Thomas, William, John,
> and Francis. Francis Stainback Sr. had children: Elizabeth, Rebecca,
> Francis Jr., Littlebury, Mary......all names very common in both the
> Poythress and Eppes Families. Also, the Immigrant William Stainback and
> his son William Stainback Jr. owned land on the south side of Bailey's
> Creek....a common landmark in many Poythress deeds and wills.
> I was just wondering what your take on the connections might
> be.....hope to hear from you soon...thanks.
>
> Charlie Rathbun
>
> Charlie Rathbun
> 276 Winchester Ridge N
> Jasper, Ga 30143
>
> Charlie....great to hear from you. I'm copying your e-mail to the
> Poythress Listserver (poythressl@rootsweb.com). There is indeed a
> Stainback connection that I have, although really later in the game than
> probably either your or I would have suspected.
>
> From the VA records of R. Bolling Batte:
>
> Edward S. Stainback
> m. 1 Mary Bolling Poythress Temple b. 17 Aug 1886, Prince George County
> m. after 1906
>
> Second, in the book "Ancestors and Descendants of Francis Epes I of
> Virginia" by
> respected Virginia genealogist John Fredrick Dorman, the index shows a
> William
> Stainback on page 205. Alas, there is no William Stainback that I can find
> on pg. 205.
>
> Third, and I'm hoping will be the most productive, I distinctly recall one
> of our "actives" on the Poythress listserver working with the Stainback
> surname and I'm asking him/her to please answer you and copy our list.

Hope this helps,

John M. Poythress		06/07/2002 5:36:07
Poythress, Lewis, Meredith, Wall Tidbits!!!While browsing the USGenweb Prince George, VA archives, I came across some
wills.

1717 Will of John Wall
1720 Will of Sampson Meredith naming a son Lewis Meredith in the Will.
1724 Will of John Poythress
1725 Will of Thomas Lewis

Now we have Poythress'/Lewis'/Meredith's and Wall's all in the same place at
about the same time, and all had children who would have been having children
around the time-frame of Thomas Poythress and Martha (Patsy) ? Poythress.
There are indentures posted on the List showing Thomas Poythress Of Martin's
Brandon Parish, Prince George, Co. selling land. So he was there at some
point.

More food for thought.
Have a GREAT weekend.
Elaine		06/07/2002 11:47:55
James R. PoythressJudy ScruggsHi Gang,
I was just reading the Meridian Star, where I always check the obits. I saw where a James R. Poythress age 59 had died in Tucson, Arizona.
Arrangements were incomplete at Webb Funeral home in Meridian, Ms.
Does anyone know who he was ?
Thanks,
Judy		06/08/2002 7:31:31
Re: Poythress, Lewis, Meredith, Wall Tidbits!!!Found it. Thanks very much - it will take me a while to digest (as Lou can tell you I work really slowly at this).

Concerning your question about earlier Merediths, I have nothing at all. A lady we met in California, a Jan MacQuoid, sent us some information about other Wall lines, but I am pretty sure Lou has it all, so I think his answer to you encompasses that.


Steve




06/12/2002 3:27:11
RE: Wall/Meredith/Lewis/PoythressMy records show a Lucy W. Meredith (b. 1922, m. James Richardson Clark; also m. William Lemuel Ingram) that married into the NC Wall family - both from children of James Wall, a son of John Wall (1746-1831). Not much on either, but if it's of interest I can forward the details.


Steve Wall		06/12/2002 6:55:27
Re: Wall/Meredith/Lewis/PoythressI am trying to connect either a Wall or a Meredith who may have married
Thomas Poythress in about 1759-1760. She was Martha (Patsy) Unknown

They named their first son Meredith, which is not a common Poythress name. I
have been checking both Wall and Meredith as possible last name of Thomas'
wife. There was a Joshua Wall born about 1697 who married a Martha UNKNOWN ,
they named a daughter Martha Wall born 1741 in Prince George County, VA. Not
much is known about her from what I have found so far. Her brother Henry Wall
named one of his son's Thomas Meredith Wall born Dinwiddie County, VA.
Don't know if there is a connection to us with this line, but I am sure
trying to find out. Do you happen to have any information on this line of
Wall's?

Elaine		06/12/2002 11:43:43
ReportBelow as a matter of interest is a report from our Cousin Margie Tanner,
daughter of Trudy Edith Poythress Simmons detailing the dedication service of
new stained glass windows in McBride United Methodist Church in Sylvania,
Georgia.

The surviving grandchildren of Horace Cullen Poythress and wife Flossie O.
Wells, donated the funds to cover the cost of the window and in part the cost
of the window for the related Reddick family. McBride Methodist Church is
the annual site of the Poythress/Wells reunion each year. From Margie:

Hey All You Poythresses,

As you know, last Sunday, June 9th, the dedication of the renovations and of
the memorial windows was held at McBride so I wanted to tell you about it.

The church has new carpet, light fixtures, and I think pews. There are eight
windows in the sanctuary depicting the life of Christ. The windows begin at
the left front with the Nativity, Jesus in the Temple, etc. and then progress
to the right front ending with the Ascension. There are three windows on
each side and 2 in the back. I was pleased with the Poythress window which
is the center one on the right and represents the Crucifixion. The final
window is the Reddick window and depicts the Ascension. I was glad the
Reddick and Poythress windows were side by side and don't know whether
Frances and Adell had anything to do with the placement or the subjects. I
think you'll all be pleased when you get a chance to see it.

Karen Zeigler (Cary and Frances Reddick's daughter), who is a Methodist
minister,did the dedication of the windows and she was very impressive. I
would love to hear her preach a sermon someday. I know Frances is proud of
her.

After the service, just about all the people in the congregation stayed for
lunch in the fellowship house. There were about 150 at the dedication and
Adell had told me before the service that there were 114 places set in the
fellowship hall. One more table had to be brought in so you know there was a
crowd. Adell told me they usually have about 35 in attendance during the
summer months. I have never seen as much food in my life!! There was ham,
turkey, beef dishes, dressing, all kinds of vegetables and salads and a huge
variety of desserts. It would NOT have been a good place for a dieter!

I was very glad that Vernon and I were able to go and we had a very enjoyable
day. Adell and Frances were particularly glad that we were there.

As you know, the reunion is the third Sunday in August, the 18th this year.
Vernon's brother is being given a surprise 70th birthday party in North
Carolina that weekend so I am torn between the two but am seriously
considering coming to the reunion and letting him go to the party with our
daughter, Kate. In any case, I HOPE I will see you all then. In the
meantime, take care and God bless you all.

Love,
Margie


Maynard		06/13/2002 5:24:17
Mecklenburg Natives in ArkansasFrom the Mecklenburg rootsweb list page:

Dear Listers: There are a lot of Surnames listed as being from Mecklenburg
Co VA that are buried in the Princeton Cemetery in Dallas County Arkansas.
The URL is listed below. Let me know if you find your family there!

http://www.couchgenweb.com/arkansas/dallas/princet.htm

Shes right. There is a bunch of them. I checked and there were no
Poythresses. A number of Mecklenburg surnames however. I haven't worked those
collateral families in Mecklenburg very hard so check it if you have one.

Only one of us I have in Arkansas is Lilly and her land grant warranted by
Peter:

Database: Full Context of Arkansas Land Records

Patentee Name:LILLY POYTHRESS
Land Office: ARKANSAS
Document Number: 21831
Miscellaneous Document Number:
Signature: Y
Signature Date: 1820/11/27
Description Number: 1
Aliquot Parts: NE
Section Number: 27
Township Number: 7.0
Township Direction: N
Range Number: 13.0
Range Direction: W
Block Number: 0
Base Line: 05
Total Acres: 160.0000
Fractional Section: N
Subsurface Rights Reserved: N
Metes and Bounds Description: N
Warantee Name: PETER POYTHRESS
Canceled Document: N
Multiple Patentee(s): N
Multiple Warantee(s): N
Accession Number: AR2960__.013
Sequence Number: 1
Total Pages: 1
Image Name: 00008193
Volume ID: 025
Image Type: P
Remarks:


Maynard		06/17/2002 12:27:06
Question For James Speed Poythress DescendantsCharles NealElaine,

Congrats on the new grandchild.

Sorry to have to let you know that Harold Poythress died on 5 March 2000,
at age 92. He was a fine, dear man. Charles & I were so pleased to get to
meet him in one overnight visit, which I think was about a year prior to
his death.

BPN		06/18/2002 7:08:28
Question For James Speed Poythress DescendantsJust had the arrival of my third grandchild last Thursday, so have been out
of touch for a few days, ya know all those hugs and kisses. I am trying to
finish some details for the info I am taking to the reunion next month.

I saw on a list message that there is a Carl and a Harold (grandsons of James
S. Poythress still living. My Dad is also a grandson. Are Carl and Harold
still living and what about Grandaughters? How many and which are still
living? My Aunt Theresa would be the only one left from the Carl Hutton
line?

As always thanks.
Elaine



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Thanks. I wish I could have met him and I truly hope we can put something
together in the near future so that those of us who are active can meet.
That would be a Hoot!! Would anyone be interested in coming to Denver? I
would be Happy to make the arrangements.

Do you happen to have info on how many of J.S.P.'s grandaughters are still
living?

Hope things are going better for you. Are you back home yet?

Elaine


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Re: BIG news ?How exciting!!!!!! I will be happy to pitch in on cost and anything you can
think of that I can help with. I would even try to meet some of you in
Virginia, if it can be arranged after October. I am not experienced enough
to do that type of research by myself but would love to learn from some of
you.

Please keep us all posted.

Elaine



06/27/2002 4:17:17
BIG news ?Why did it never occur to me that when Mrs. Batte unloaded Bolling Batte's
40,000 8" x 5" index cards on the Library of Virginia the odds were ZILCH
that she would separate and keep all of his records and supporting
documentation instead of just sending it on with the other stuff; i. e. the
cards, etc? Duhhhh.

A friend gave me this url: http://www.lva.lib.va.us/findaid/batte.htm

Scroll on down to Box # 18: LVA has the R. Bolling Batte "Papers"
1918-1992, Accession # 35260. The inventory list shows box # 18 to be wall
to wall with Poythress documentation, likely 5 times bigger and/or better
than anything any of us now has is my speculation. And the other boxes are
full of material on related families.

Next questions:

1) can we have access to box # 18 and a photocopier?

2) who is going to Virginia anytime soon and has two or three days to kill
running copies?

3) I will find out if we CAN access the box (if this is a problem my guess is
that Craig Scott can run interference for us) and I'll make it a point to go
sometime this fall with a few available days and a couple hundred bucks for
the copy machine.......unless somebody wants to beat me to it which won't
hurt my feelings.

4) and a trove this rich has gotta be organized and put on the site. If we
can't do a Lazurus number on Al one of us will have to learn HTML talk.

Comments? Is this news to you all too or have you had it all along, thought
it was just the old routine 6's and 7's and I'm working myself up over
nothing?

Maynard

P. S.
Craig: assuming we can get at the box is it a doable option to find a "for
hire cheap"
kid who'll do it for $10 an hour and reimbursement for the copy cost? Maybe
just get him to copy all the Poythress folders expecting to get a lot of
duplication but it's still a bargain? Thoughts?		06/27/2002 9:20:06
RE: Batte PapersLou PooleMaynard, I agree with your assessment: that makes no sense to me either.
But maybe if they knew the copying was to be done for a group (vs. an
individual), and one that is likely to post the information on the web
at that, maybe they could be persuaded to make an exception.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: VKRatliff@aol.com [mailto:VKRatliff@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 5:51 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Batte Papers


Carol Morrison provides reliable and bad news on the matter of accessing
box
# 18.

The library limits the number of copies one can make from this box per
day, a
dread scenario likely to be undone only if or when the library
digitalizes
the stuff and puts it on line. As quickly as they got the Batte cards
up, I
would hope they would do an encore with the "papers."

It's almost impossible to criticize the LVA considering the trail they
have
blazed and are blazing with respect to putting stuff on their site but
this
one sounds at least a tad dumb to this guy who merely doesn't understand
the
reason.

I'll keep pursuing it but it appears a dead end for the moment. But
it's out
there and I have a hunch it's going to be big.

Maynard


==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Geneaology Research Web
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		06/28/2002 4:18:20
Batte PapersCarol Morrison provides reliable and bad news on the matter of accessing box
# 18.

The library limits the number of copies one can make from this box per day, a
dread scenario likely to be undone only if or when the library digitalizes
the stuff and puts it on line. As quickly as they got the Batte cards up, I
would hope they would do an encore with the "papers."

It's almost impossible to criticize the LVA considering the trail they have
blazed and are blazing with respect to putting stuff on their site but this
one sounds at least a tad dumb to this guy who merely doesn't understand the
reason.

I'll keep pursuing it but it appears a dead end for the moment. But it's out
there and I have a hunch it's going to be big.

Maynard		06/28/2002 12:50:39
GA Genealogical Soc. Qrtrly."1807 Land Lottery Registrants of Hancock Co., GA"
By Nathan Mathews
Georgia Genealogical Society Quarterly, pp. 74-100, Vol. 38, No. 2, Summer,
2002.

Captain Coffee's District
Name/# Draws to which entitled

Elizabeth Poythress 1
Orphs. of Fras. Poythress 1

Note: There were 7 Georgia Land Lotteries. In only one lottery, the first in
1805, were the lists of registrants as well as "fortunate drawers" both
uniformly preserved.

Since as a practical matter, the 1805 lottery for those eligible amounted to
a chance for "free money" (a winning ticket could be sold), the 1805 list of
lottery registrants is regarded as a fairly good proxy for an 1805 Georgia
census.

For the other 6 (1805-1832) lotteries, contrary to the rule, a rare list of
registrants will sometimes turn up in a county courthouse. Author Mathews
has turned up such a list in the Hancock County Ordinary's office incorrectly
labeled "Tax Digest, 1806, Hancock County" and is presenting the list as
previously undocumented information.

Other than revealing to us that there were no Poythress registrants in
Hancock County in 1807 OTHER THAN the two above, serendipitously for us the
matter is irrelevant. The two Poythress entrants above were both "fortunate
drawers" and would have appeared in the 1807 public record in any case.

All of the information above, as well as detailed information on multiple
Poythress registrants and "fortunate drawers" in each lottery is contained in
an 18 page study titled "Georgia Land Lotteries and Poythress Participants"
available by request. It is digitalized and will be returned as an e-mail
attachment (with corrections or additions solicited).

Maynard		07/06/2002 6:50:43
Interesting but not surprising From a new site on origins of given names:

> MEREDITH m,f English
> Possibly "great lord" or "sea lord" from Welsh Maredudd
>
>
Maynard



07/07/2002 3:12:48
Meredith and Poythress TidbitI was looking over the Bolling Batte Study that Nell Tims sent me a while
back and in one of the notes for John Poythress from the Present State of
Virginia For The Year 1714 Sampson Meredith and John Poythress were both
Justice's of the Peace. I know that doesn't connect our Martha Patsy Unknown
but it does link the two families indirectly. I haven't gotten to do much
research lately, had 6 Mississippians come to visit and now I am getting the
finishing touches done on the Information, I am taking to our Family Reunion
on the 19th. I am going to attack the Meredith line when I get back. I just
have this gut feeling, that is driving me crazy.
I have another post to make but will make it on a seperate email. (Different
subject.)
Take care,
Elaine		07/07/2002 3:44:54
Charles Poythress 1736I was looking in the Prince George County Virginia Records 1733-1792 by
Benjamin B. Weisiger III and ran across a Charles Poythress. Has anyone ever
connected him? I don't see him on the Bolling Batte Study. My first
incounter with the name Charles was Charles David Poythress, son of David
Poythress and Sally Dortch.

Quote "Case of Thomas Gibson against Drury Oliver for non payment of cost of
salivateing a negro man named Peter, belonging to the defendant, on Nov. 6,
1736 and for divers medicine, plasters, ointments, and mercurial bolus's.
Jury impanelled: Thomas Williams, William Gibbs, Peter Leath, Edward
Mitchell, Edmond Irby, Jr., John Mason, Charles Poythress, John Eppes, John
Hamlin, William Batte, John Butler, & William Crawley. Found for the
defendant. Suit dismissed & plaintiff to pay costs.

I wish I had already received my A to Zax dictionary. What in the world is
salivateing a person? Doesn't sound very hygenic but I am sure it means
something else entirely.

Elaine		07/07/2002 4:02:45
Melungeons..Everybody Duck!Last time this subject was broached it was as if someone tossed a hand
grenade in the campfire. I still say supposed Portuguese stonemasons
shipwrecked off N. C. coast showing up in the mountains couple hundred miles
N. W. and inland is not the origin of "Poythress" for those of you unaware of
the previous fist fight on the subject. And as for being a lost tribe of
Israel, I'm going to be a hard sell. Although, I will take some of their
extra hair applied to my headbone...even if molecular biologist Wayne Jones
does wimp out at the crucial moment of judgment for his "study.". Don't
shoot, I'm only the piano player. Maynard

DNA Analysis Fails to Prove Melungeon Origins

Who or what are the Melungeons? If you could prove the answer to that
question, a lot of people would be interested.

The Melungeons were first discovered in 1654, living in the Appalachian
Mountain areas that are part of present-day eastern Tennessee, southwestern
Virginia, and western North Carolina. There is some evidence that the
Melungeons were established in those areas even before the Pilgrims arrived
at Plymouth Rock in 1620. Various researchers have speculated that the
Melungeons originated in Portugal or Spain or Turkey or England, or perhaps
that they were one of the Lost Tribes of Israel. So far, nobody has been able
to prove where these people came from. A just-completed genetic study of some
of their 15,000 to 50,000 modern-day descendants failed to find the ethnic
origins of these people.

These olive- and copper-skinned people have lived in isolated pockets across
Appalachia over the past several centuries. The Melungeons were "discovered"
in 1654 by English explorers and were described as being "dark-skinned with
fine European features." In April of 1673, James Needham, an Englishman, and
Gabriel Arthur, possibly an indentured servant, came to the Tennessee Valley
as explorers with approximately eight Indians. There, Needham described
finding "hairy people .... (who) have a bell which is six foot over which
they ring morning and evening and at that time a great number of people
congregrate togather and talkes" in a language not English nor any Indian
dialect that the accompanying Indians knew. Needham also described these
people as "hairy, white people which have long beards and whiskers and weares
clothing...." who lived in log cabins with peculiar arched windows. Some of
these peoples were also described as having red hair, and others with very
distinctive blue or blue/green eyes. They practiced the Christian religion
and told the explorers in broken Elizabethan English that they were
"Portyghee."

The biggest question is where did these "hairy, white people" with olive- or
copper-colored skin learn Elizabethan English? They also practiced
Christianity long before any other Christians were in the area. Also, where
did these people learn to build log cabins with arched windows when the
natives lived in tents and small huts? The Melungeons must have possessed
metal smithing skills in order to make a bell at a time when American Indians
possessed no such skills.

Many Melungeons described themselves as "Portyghee," which gave credence to
their supposed Portuguese ties. However, to the confusion of ethnologists,
many spoke Elizabethan English, and the term Melungeon may refer to a French
word for melange, or mixture. "Melungeon" also sounds exactly like an Arabic
word meaning "cursed soul," a self-deprecating term for one who feels
abandoned by God. The term was also used by 16th century Ottoman Turks and by
"Conversos," Jews and Moors who converted to Christianity around the time of
the Spanish Inquisition.

One interesting theory is that early Melungeons were Turks, possibly Ottoman
prisoners of war, who were probably taken to the New World by Sir Francis
Drake in the late 1500s. One could assume that these prisoners learned
English from their captors. That might explain the two languages that Needham
and Arthur noted. A term paper written by Mehmet Cakir, a Turkish student at
the University of Colorado, points out the many linguistic similarities
between Turkish and Melungeon languages; you can read this paper at
http://www.colorado.edu/iec/FALL299RW/can.html .

In an attempt to trace the Melungeons' genetic origins, molecular biologist
Kevin Jones took DNA samples from 130 descendants and compared their
mitochondrial DNA, which passes intact through maternal lines, to a gene
databank. Jones' results, presented at an annual meeting of Melungeon
descendants and researchers last month, found a complex ancestry that
included European, Asian, Indian, African, and Native American blood.

"There is nothing truly definitive about this study," Jones admitted.
"Current Melungeons are so racially mixed that it will be difficult to
identify their origins. As far as I can tell, Melungeons are a self-defining
population, and not a genetically distinct population," said Jones.
"Melungeon identity is cultural. That is very real and important, not
reflected by any genetic basis, but it is still something to be quite proud
of."

Reacting to this study, Wayne Winkler, president of the Melungeon Heritage
Association, pointed out, "One of the nice things about the DNA study is that
parts of many of these various theories are still possible." Winkler then
offered his own version of their origins and added, "The Portuguese traded
all over the world, and they had a trading outpost in India, where gypsies
originated. I've always kind of liked the fact that we have this mystery
about us."

You can read more about the Melungeons and their quest for information about
their origins at:


Melungeon Heritage Page –
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mtnties/melungeon.html
Melungeon Links of Interest –
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mtnties/mlgnlinks.html
Melungeon Heritage Association –
http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Inn/1024
What Is a Melungeon? – http://www.geocities.com/mikenassau/what.htm
The Melungeon Health Education and Support Network –
http://www.melungeonhealth.org
The Melungeon information page for the American Local History Network –
http://dmoz.org/Society/Ethnicity/Melungeon/
SKMIE - Southeastern Kentucky Melungeon Information Exchange –
http://www.bright.net/~kat/skmie.htm		07/07/2002 4:29:33
PoythressVGiles Mecklenburg Co., Va. 1820Lyn BairdI will offer some very belated comments on Barbara Poythress Neal's
transcription of the Poythress v. Giles Bill of Chancery, Mecklenburg Co.,
Va., 1820-12. Barbara posted this transcription to us in August 2001.

First, compliments to Barbara on a careful, thorough and accurate
transcription. I have checked Barbara's transcription against my own set of
photocopies of the case and have found no differences of substance.

Second, this case shows without further doubt that John Poythress, a.k.a.
Jack Poythress, is the son of Lewis Poythress and Elizabeth Giles. Edward
Giles refers to John P. as his grandson. John P. refers to Lewis P. as
John's father. John P. refers to Edward Giles as John's grandfather.

Third, this case satisfies me that Edward Poythress is the son of Lewis
Poythress and Elizabeth Giles. Here's my argument: Edward Giles names both
John P. and Edward P. as heirs and as grandsons. From this case we know
that John P. is the son of Lewis Poythress. *IF* Edward Poythress were not
the son of Lewis Poythress and Elizabeth Giles, *THEN* Edward P.'s mother
must be another daughter of Edward Giles, and his father another Poythress.
Further, this supposed other daughter would have been deceased by the time
Edward Giles wrote his will. Our research has revealed no other
Poythress-Giles marriages and no likely prospects. On this basis, I suggest
we move forward supposing John and Edward are brothers.

Thanks to Craig Scott for fetching these documents from Richmond and thanks
to Barbara for her hours of labor to deliver us a transcription that enabled
some progress on proving our Poythress relationships.

Best regards,
Lyn Baird		07/08/2002 3:42:15
Re: Melungeons..Everybody Duck!In a message dated 7/8/2002 10:27:29 AM Central Daylight Time,
VKRatliff@aol.com writes:


> These olive- and copper-skinned people have lived in isolated pockets across
>
> Appalachia over the past several centuries. The Melungeons were
> "discovered"
> in 1654 by English explorers and were described as being "dark-skinned with
>
> fine European features." In April of 1673, James Needham, an Englishman,
> and
> Gabriel Arthur, possibly an indentured servant, came to the Tennessee
> Valley
> as explorers with approximately eight Indians. There, Needham described
> finding "hairy people .... (who) have a bell which is six foot over which
> they ring morning and evening and at that time a great number of people
> congregrate togather and talkes" in a language not English nor any Indian
> dialect that the accompanying Indians knew. Needham also described these
> people as "hairy, white people which have long beards and whiskers and
> weares
> clothing...." who lived in log cabins with peculiar arched windows. Some of
>
> these peoples were also described as having red hair, and others with very
> distinctive blue or blue/green eyes. They practiced the Christian religion
> and told the explorers in broken Elizabethan English that they were
> "Portyghee."
>

Hello, Maynard, and others discussing the Melungeon information,

This, also, has probably been discussed on the list before but the latter
people mentioned above as < Some of these peoples were also described as
having red hair, and others with very distinctive blue or blue/green eyes.
They practiced the Christian religion and told the explorers in broken
Elizabethan English that they were "Portyghee." > could quite possibly be
those descended from a combination of the Portugese explorers, Native
American Indians and another group of individuals that were of Celtic lineage
with light eyes and red/blonde and brown hair and were descendants of Prince
Madoc of Wales and those who journeyed with him as colonists on his 2nd
voyage to North America.

There is a marker that was erected in 1953 beside a road in southern Alabama
by the Virginia Cavalier chapter of the D.A.R. and that marker cites, "In
memory of Prince Madoc, a Welsh explorer, who landed on the shores of Mobile
Bay in 1170, and left behind, with the Indians, the Welsh language."

In the second paragraph, the marker mentions another source in citing:
"Authority is Encyclopedia Americana. . ." The Encyclopedia Americana says
that Madoc was a "Welsh Prince who in consequence of some civil dissensions
went to sea with ten ships and 300 men in 1170, and discovered America. He
made a second voyage to and from this unknown land but finally was lost to
the knowledge of his countrymen.. ."

There were those final few last survivors of a tribe of people called the
MANDAN Indians that after most had been wiped out by plague, battle or
assimilation into other cultures that themselves joined with the South Dakota
Sioux in the 1800s.

There is actually a good deal of information that can be found regarding the
way in which they lived with the very unique types of housing and boats that
came out of their lifestyle in Wales.

In addition to the marker in Alabama there is a commemorative marker at the
port in Bristol, England, as well, commemorating Prince Madoc's voyage to
what would become America.

Bellinda Myrick - Barnett		07/08/2002 11:36:17
Mulungeons? OK I'll bite.Lou PooleIf you want to read a full transcription of the adventures of "THE
JOURNEYS OF JAMES NEEDHAM AND GABRIEL ARTHUR IN 1673 AND 1674 THROUGH
THE PIEDMONT AND MOUNTAINS OF NORTH CAROLINA
TO ESTABLISH TRADE WITH THE CHEROKEE" go to:

http://rla.unc.edu/Archives/accounts/Needham/Needham.html

This is very interesting reading, BTW, though quite long. But there's
not a word in this letter that states the strange "white" people they
found were Christian, and I could not find anything to support the
assertion that they spoke "Elizabethan English" (or any other language
that a European might understand). There are some words about
Spaniards, and a black people and village, but I cannot be fully sure of
the context to confidently repeat what I think it said. If you want to
try the authentic version use the "original letter" link.

With regard to these people being Welch, I say posh! The Welch of 1100
were the original Britons -- dark haired, dark eyes, etc. And no
Welshman who left the Islands in that time frame knew how to speak
English -- I'm not even sure that the Angles ("English") could speak it
at that time.

I think that a careful read of the letter will also reveal that the two
Englishmen who went on that exploration did not live to tell what they
saw, and that Abraham Woods was only repeating what the Indians had told
him.

There's an intriguing mystery in all this to be sure, but I think the
few facts that have come down to us have been distorted in the
re-telling.

Lou		07/08/2002 12:48:21
Melungeons/MadocHi Bellinda.....I'm going to suggest we dance away from this topic as leading
nowhere. I wish (once again) I had never brought it up. Last trip we were
arguing race, apparently we have at least stepped up in class to "history."

Would that the Madoc legend were true. Unfortunately, the vote is virtually
unanimous that "Anthropologists have rejected these (claims) as fantastic"
per Encyclopaedia Britannica.

There are guys across the Ohio R. at the falls of the Ohio who claim even
today to have evidence Madoc even showed up here. Sort of like a 12th
century Elvis if one were cynical about it. However, it's going to take more
than a UDC marker to convince me, as sacrosanct as I view that organization
in another context.

As for the "Elizabethan" reference in the report being "an error", that
probably needs to be disregarded in today's world. For several centuries now
virtually any English not modern gets lumped under the heading
"Elizabethan"...the rule must have been something like "if you don't
understand it, it's Elizabethan."

In point of facts, post-Victorian is what they speak now, preceded by
Elizabethan in 17th century, preceded by middle English (Chaucer who is
unreadable to 99.9% of modern Americans), preceded by Old English (Beowulf,
the Domesday Book, etc.), practically a foreign language but "old English."
If Madoc did get here in the 12th century he would have spoken Welsh or one
of its myriad dialects.. At that precise point in time the Welsh would have
been long since driven west back into Wales by the invading Angles, Saxons,
Jutes and Frisians plus a few Scandinavians (meanwhile those guys all having
been more or less conquered themselves by the Normans 1066).. In fact the
very term "Welas" means foreigner, something of the utimate insult to the
"original" natives. Since no one but the Welsh understand Welsh, the
reporters could very well have believed it to be "Elizabethan English."

I'm afraid I need more proof before I pick up that snake, but for the sake of
equinamity, I'll concede there is an awful lot of smoke swirling around the
Madoc thing.

Best,

Maynard		07/09/2002 5:24:47
Batte PapersElizabeth Roderick punted me to Virginia somebody who was a clerk in Digitial
Reproductions in charge of all decisions not in excess of 25 cents. She
walked me through the drill that we'd have to spend $25 for the first 10
copies and .50 thereafter and it would be the same if we "came" to the
library, etc. etc. Obviously, I didn't get the decision maker.

As for when they are going to microfilm the stuff, I felt sure they would
never store 30+ boxes of stuff rather than microfilming it. Virginia said
not necessarily but you can talk to Jay Gaidmore (804-692-3629) and he is in
charge of microfilming and maybe can tell you that. She was as anxious to
get rid of me as I was to get another name because she was only reading the
rule book.

I'll phone Jay when I return Monday. But we are still going to have to get
to some heavy breather before we can catch a break on this one.

I'm gone to Jawja.....too early to pick cotton so I'll just eat peaches. Be
back Tuesday AM.

Have a nice week and week-end guys and gals.

Maynard		07/09/2002 10:47:49
Re: Melungeons..Everybody Duck!Very interesting stuff!! I being one that is researching the "unconnected"
Poythress side of the family choose to believe the DNA research. The part
about so many different races mixed in you won't ever figure out the original
is kinda neat.... Makes this side of the family truly original!!

I guess it doesn't really matter at this point what we were then, it all
boils down to who and what we are now and how we treat those around us. I
could learn to like being Royalty???

Hope everyone had a wonderful 4th!!

BGP--Bruce		07/10/2002 5:24:00
DNA/Welsh are true BritsVery interesting article on the BBC website regarding Welsh being true Brits
which might be of interest to some on list.

BBC News | WALES | English and Welsh are races apart
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/hi/english/uk/wales/newsid_2076000/2076470.st

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Bellinda Myrick - Barnett		07/10/2002 6:19:05
N.F.Poythress, Oct 1830 - Mar 1862Charles NealYes, Elaine, N.F. Poythress was one of James E. Poythress' sons. Full name
was reportedly Nathan Francis Poythress. He never married.

He was the second eldest son (& 2nd child) of James E. Poythress &
Catherine S. Preston, born 18 Oct 1830 per the family's Bible record (which
is available online at Library of Virginia, in their online Bible records,
as Accession #34866, complete with information about that record).

In the 1850 Census for the 98th Regiment area of Mecklenburg Co, VA, he was
listed (on 26 Sep 1850 by the enumerator) in his father's household as
"Nathan" age 19, occupation "laborer." (National Archives, Washington, DC,
Micropublication M432, Reel 960, sheet stamped 62, or handwirtten page
number 123, dwelling 217, family 217, James Poythress household entry). By
the way, his parents were both shown as age 45, father as Carpenter, no
real estate; his older brother, age 21, carpenter & their 16-yr old brother
was also laborer; no occupation for the younger 5 children. (ages 4-13).
See Poythress website for entire list.

The entire family moved, in a 6-wk trip in a wagon train, in about early
1863, to Sumter County, Alabama [News article, Mrs. Rebecca Lavender
(Rebecca Poythress), "Pioneer Woman of Magic City Near To Century Mark:
Celebrates Her Ninety-Fourth Anniversary With All Of Children Present,"
with her photograph, The Birmingham News, Birmingham, Alabama,Thursday 17
Nov 1932]

The following information was gleaned from "Compiled Service Records of
Confederate Soldiers Who Served in Organizations From the State of
Mississippi" (National Archives, Washington, DC, Micropublication M269,
roll 70, and Family History Library film number 1488095):

No given name was listed for him in his Compiled Service Record, he was
always shown as "N.F." N. F. Poythress was enlisted at Scooba, Mississippi
[from where they lived in Sumter County, Alabama, Scooba is just across
the AL-MS stateline, in Lauderdale County, Mississippi] on 25 March 1861 as
a Private, Company C, Jeff Davis Legion, Mississippi Cavalry.

N. F. Poythress was listed as sick in several entries. The first
indication of any sickness appears on a company muster roll for July 20 to
August 31, 1861, which shows he was absent on furlough on account of
sickness. He was subsequently present for the following muster rolls,
until the one for January and February 1862 indicates he was sent to
Warenton [sic] Hospital on January 15, 1862. [BPN notes this was probably
Warrenton, Virginia.] His name then appeared on reports of sick,
hospitalized at C. S. A. General Hospital, Charlottesville, Virginia,
admitted there on 28 February 1862 with "Catarrh" [which is a name used
back then for pneumonia-like illnesses]; he died there of "Pneumonia"
either on 10 March 1862 (according to two of the entries), or on 11 March
1862 (according to another entry), or on 4 March 1862 (according to yet
another entry). His Compiled Service Record also shows that his name
appears on a Register of Effects of Deceased Soldiers, turned over to the
Quartermasters, C. S. A., showing a certificate number 6449, in the amount
of $9.50.		07/10/2002 11:50:36
Peter Poythress, son of Meredith, SrCharles NealElaine,

I'm travelling & don't have full info about Meredith's son Peter, but I do
have the below info, summarized as [see below for details]:

Born about 1782 in Dinwiddie County, VA
Was residing in Mecklenburg Co, VA in 1800 & 1801
Bricklayer
Was enlisted at Danville, [in Pittsylvania County] VA 9 Aug 1814
Died 19 Feb 1815 Norfolk, VA

It seems to me that, in addition to this, we've also figured out that he
was married & that his widow was named perhaps Lilly (going by memory here)
& that she got land which may have been in Arkansas -- The info about her
getting land, I think came from the (online) G.L.O., BLM records, Eastern
States Division (which, as I recall, stands for General Land Office, Bureau
of Land Management).

I have NO marriage info for him in my database, so the above
partially-recalled additional tidbit may have just been in the catagory of
"this info seems to fit with this Peter."

I don't recall ever learning of him having any descendants.

Details:
He was listed twice -- in 1800 and 1801, in the "Mecklenburg County,
Virginia Personal Property Tax Lists 1782-1805" Mecklenburg County, VA;
Family History Library film 1,854,098. [Again, going by memory here: I
think both times he was listed with Meredith, as his son, though maybe only
in 1800 with Meredith as his son, and in 1801 alone maybe?)

I've also examined Peter's "Compiled Military Service Record, War of 1812"
[which records were not yet filmed as of my review and photocopying of them
on 23 Mar 1996] National Archives, Washington, DC. Notes I made from this
Compiled Military Service Record for the War of 1812 show:

Peter Poythress, entry # 376, in 83 Regiment (Scott's) Virginia Militia,
containing only one each card for a Muster Roll and a Company Pay Roll
record, both for July 1-6, 1813 at Petersburg, VA on rolls dated 6 Jul
1813, indicating he was present as a Private in Capt. William H. Cousins'
Co. of Riflemen, 83 Reg't Virginia Militia, War of 1812, and that his pay,
at the rate of $8 per month, was $1.33 for 5 days,

I also got a copy of his entry in the Register of Enlistment
[Micropublication M-233, roll 10; National Archives, Washington, DC,
"Registers of Enlistment In the U.S. Army 1798-1914, Volumes 19 & 20 (P-R),
1798-May 17, 1815"] (comments in square brackets below are my own):

entry # 2835
listing him as Pothress / Poythress, Peter
rank: Rect. [Recruit?]
Regiment: 20th USI[nfantry?]
height 5'4"
Blue eyes
D[ar]k hair
Lgt [Light] complexion
age 32
Bricklayer, occupation
born Dinwiddie [under "Town or County"], VA
enlisted Aug[us]t 9, 1814 at Danville, VA by Ens. Smith and Lt. Rawlins for
period of "War"
Remarks: "D.R.[Daily Report?] Danville, Va. Augt 1814. M.R. [Muster Roll?]
Capt. Bern'd Peyton's Co. Oct 31 /14 [1814], Pesent, sick. D.R. [Daily
Report?] Feby 16, [illegible #/letter] I.R. Norfolk, Va. Mch. 15 /15 [March
15, 1815], Died in Reg'l Hospl [Regimental? Hospital] Feby 19 /15
[February 19, 1815]"

Barbara		07/10/2002 12:37:12
Thomas Family- MecklenburgSee below. I intend to answer Charlotte with the Poythress family info we
have and tell her that I have posted her message on the Poythress page for
any of you to comment to either "the board" at the address above or comment
directly to her. Alternatively, she may wish to post a message to the
Poythress group herself in which case the address is the same, Charlotte.
Offhand , I'm drawing a blank on a Thomas famlly. We have plenty of Thomases
except they are and were from the first generation all Christian names.

If any of you can help Charlotte, please drop her an e-mail.

Thanks,

Maynard



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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:19:44 EDT
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Hi, I'm hoping to find someone with info on this Thomas family. I recently
received some of the info but we aren't certain of a couple of names and are
missing the name of Winn/Wynn Thomas's wife. She maybe someone from the
Poythress family and both Thomas and Poythress families are probably from
Mecklenburg Co.. VA.

Winn/Wynn Thomas m ??
children:
1-Tabitha Thomas m Roderick Wesson/Wilson June 2, 1814

2-Lutincy Winn Thomas m Leonard Thomas Nov. 3, 1824

3-Mary Ann Thomas m John Perkinson Dec. 12, 1825

4-Elizabeth Thomas m Harrison Wesson Dec. 13, 1824

If any one has info on this family please let me know, I'll be glad to share
what I do have, thanks.


Charlotte A.		07/16/2002 9:12:08
Re: Peter Poythress, son of Meredith, SrBarbara......I'm not certain we don't have two guys named Peter here but if
it is all the same guy he is a big time mover-about.

Bud has him (I can't recall the source but I DON'T think it was one Bud would
bet the ranch on) dying in SC about 1812.

I then find a Peter unquestionably the son of Meredith, Sr. in Georgia in
1809:

SCREVEN COUNTY Book A-2, p. 182.

7th day of ____, 1809

Peter Poythress, of Screven County, Ga. first part, conveys to Thomas
Cleaton, second part, of Macklenburg (sic) County , Va., for 43L current
money of Virginia, paid to his father, Meredith Poythress, by said Cleaton,
and for one cent in United States coin, paid to Peter Poythress by Thomas
Cleaton, a certain tract of land in Macklenburg (sic) County, Virginia
containing 50 acres by estimation.
Usual Warranty
In presence of: Peter Poythress (ls)
Hardy Parker, James Ponder
Recorded 30th day of October 1809
Roger McKinney, Clerk

(looks like Peter just got skinned out of 43L by his father and grandfather <
g>)

At this point, Bud and I shared a skeptical observation that even if he did
die in SC in 1812 he was for sure in Georgia in 1809. Now we PERHAPS have
him appearing in VA enlisting for the War of 1812 in 1814, serving, and then
dying in Norfolk, VA in 1815. It would not logically fall into place for him
to be enlisting in Pittsylvania County . However, if he was just dying to
enlist in VA and not NC, Danville by all logic would be just right over the
border.

Throwing out the SC death in 1812 as undocumented, it would not be totally
unreasonable to speculate that Peter returns to Virginia to enlist in 1814
and dies in 1815 (KIA?). I realize you were winging it from memory when you
answered Elaine on this one and will no doubt want to get back to your
papers.

Mitigating FOR "your" man to be Peter son of Meredith is that Peter himself
appears no more in Georgia after this one 1809 document so he could easily
have returned to Virginia. As we have learned, these guys were a lot more
VA-GA-AL mobile than we originally expected them to be.. Also, we have
Peter's brother Cleton's 1828 Screven County will in which he bequeaths
something or other to each of his brothers and sisters and brother Peter is
not included, perhaps suggesting that Peter did die in 1815 or, at least was
not alive in 1828 or maybe alive but not even in Georgia.

And if (?) wife Lilly gets land in Arkansas it might well be an award for
Peter's service in War of 1812. Otherwise, we still have Lilly hanging out
there in thin air and no other connection.

What it strikes me that we really need is some linkage between Peter showing
in VA tax records 1800-01 as son of Meredith and again in 1809 in GA AND the
Peter who enlists in Pittsylvania County, VA in 1814. I would love to wrap
this one together as it would wrap Peter up without any loose ends and get
him out of the speculation column. Until we do make this linkage, and
barring further strong circumstantial evidence that this Peter is indeed one
guy and the son of Meredith, Sr., I'm inclined to agree with your origiinal
comment that we make this one a "possible."

Did you find anything further when you got home?

Maynard

in a message dated 7/10/2002 8:45:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com writes:

> Elaine,
>
> I'm travelling & don't have full info about Meredith's son Peter, but I do
> have the below info, summarized as [see below for details]:
>
> Born about 1782 in Dinwiddie County, VA
> Was residing in Mecklenburg Co, VA in 1800 & 1801
> Bricklayer
> Was enlisted at Danville, [in Pittsylvania County] VA 9 Aug 1814
> Died 19 Feb 1815 Norfolk, VA
>
> It seems to me that, in addition to this, we've also figured out that he
> was married & that his widow was named perhaps Lilly (going by memory here)
> & that she got land which may have been in Arkansas -- The info about her
> getting land, I think came from the (online) G.L.O., BLM records, Eastern
> States Division (which, as I recall, stands for General Land Office, Bureau
> of Land Management).
>
> I have NO marriage info for him in my database, so the above
> partially-recalled additional tidbit may have just been in the catagory of
> "this info seems to fit with this Peter."
>
> I don't recall ever learning of him having any descendants.
>
> Details:
> He was listed twice -- in 1800 and 1801, in the "Mecklenburg County,
> Virginia Personal Property Tax Lists 1782-1805" Mecklenburg County, VA;
> Family History Library film 1,854,098. [Again, going by memory here: I
> think both times he was listed with Meredith, as his son, though maybe only
> in 1800 with Meredith as his son, and in 1801 alone maybe?)
>
> I've also examined Peter's "Compiled Military Service Record, War of 1812"
> [which records were not yet filmed as of my review and photocopying of them
> on 23 Mar 1996] National Archives, Washington, DC. Notes I made from this
> Compiled Military Service Record for the War of 1812 show:
>
> Peter Poythress, entry # 376, in 83 Regiment (Scott's) Virginia Militia,
> containing only one each card for a Muster Roll and a Company Pay Roll
> record, both for July 1-6, 1813 at Petersburg, VA on rolls dated 6 Jul
> 1813, indicating he was present as a Private in Capt. William H. Cousins'
> Co. of Riflemen, 83 Reg't Virginia Militia, War of 1812, and that his pay,
> at the rate of $8 per month, was $1.33 for 5 days,
>
> I also got a copy of his entry in the Register of Enlistment
> [Micropublication M-233, roll 10; National Archives, Washington, DC,
> "Registers of Enlistment In the U.S. Army 1798-1914, Volumes 19 & 20 (P-R),
> 1798-May 17, 1815"] (comments in square brackets below are my own):
>
> entry # 2835
> listing him as Pothress / Poythress, Peter
> rank: Rect. [Recruit?]
> Regiment: 20th USI[nfantry?]
> height 5'4"
> Blue eyes
> D[ar]k hair
> Lgt [Light] complexion
> age 32
> Bricklayer, occupation
> born Dinwiddie [under "Town or County"], VA
> enlisted Aug[us]t 9, 1814 at Danville, VA by Ens. Smith and Lt. Rawlins for
> period of "War"
> Remarks: "D.R.[Daily Report?] Danville, Va. Augt 1814. M.R. [Muster Roll?]
> Capt. Bern'd Peyton's Co. Oct 31 /14 [1814], Pesent, sick. D.R. [Daily
> Report?] Feby 16, [illegible #/letter] I.R. Norfolk, Va. Mch. 15 /15 [March
> 15, 1815], Died in Reg'l Hospl [Regimental? Hospital] Feby 19 /15
> [February 19, 1815]"
>
> Barbara		07/17/2002 5:47:45
Civil War IndexCheck this site for index to Confederate and Union Soldiers:

http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/soldiers.htm

BPW



07/17/2002 6:07:41
DNA RecordingAncestry.com is offering a DNA testing for individuals for a price of about
$200 per person. The method is they send you something like a q-tip and you
swash it around in your mouth against the check. You mail it back and they
send you your own DNA code.

Obviously, $200 is something of a stopper.

I don't know that we'd be doing it so much for ourselves as for succeeding
generations. However there would be some potential present benefits for us
even despite the fact that we can't obtain DNA samples from our people long
dead. For example, Lyn and I might establish the link that we are cousins
via Thomas Poythress. We might even be able to calculate (or have calculated
for us) the amount of degradatiojn in the DNA reading as it passes from
generation to generation. Bud and I would presumablly link back to Thomas
via one of the Merediths, etc. etc.

Another downside is that the DNA lines can only track parent-gender
exclusively; i. e., none of the information for any of our males would be
applicable for the females. But, of course, the females can run their own
line, it would just be a separate line.
Even though our records in general contain many more male surnames than
female surnames, this might not necessarily be a loss. If we can document
positively a particular marriage we could coordinate some of the prior or
following genealogical lines even if they do cross genders.

As a practical matter, I think we will have left enough documented evidence
on ourselves, even if just hanging out there in cyberspace forever or on
paper, that our
downstream benefit would be a matter of personal decision on whether it's
worth 200 bucks or not.

I am saying if this e-mail generates a hue and cry from several of you
wanting to do this exercise, I suppose I could say I have spent $200 a lot
dumber over the course of my life and would be willing to participate.

Maynard		07/21/2002 6:51:10
Peter Poythress, dec'd in War of 1812, possibly son of Meredith, SrCharles NealThe below info was transcribed here on 25 July 2002 by Barbara Poythress
Neal from info seen that date at the website for the General Land Office,
Bureau of Land Management, Eastern States Division

http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/

This particular record was located by clicking on "Search Land Patents" in
the left portion of the green band across the top of the initial page. One
need enter only his/her zipcode (so they can see how many folks they are
serving from various areas of the US), and then, for the below record,
enter ARKANSAS in the search block for the state desired, and POYTHRESS in
the search block for surname.

I would encourage anyone interested to go to the website & check all the
states listed for any surname of interest. Note that the original 13
states are NOT General Land Office states. Numerous Poythress individuals
are found listed.

The site is extremely easy to use, and after viewing the initial info that
has been entered for the individual record in the searchable database, one
can click to see an image of the original document, in a choice of formats
-- a small GIF; a large GIF; PDF; or TIFF, and can easily print the image.

The description at the opening screen of the website states in part that
the site is designed to "provide live access to Federal land conveyance
records for the Public Land States. We also provide image access to more
than two million Federal land title records for Eastern Public Land States,
issued between 1820 and 1908. Images of Serial patents (land titles issued
between 1908 and the
mid-1960's) are currently being added to this web site. Due to organization
of documents in the GLO collection, this site does not currently contain
every Federal title record issued for the Public Land States."

Names:
Patentee: POYTHRESS, LILLY
Warrantee: POYTHRESS, PETER

Survey:
State: Arkansas
Acres: 160
Metes/Bounds: No

Title Transfer:
Issue Date: 11/27/1820
Land Office: Arkansas
Cancelled: No
Mineral Reservations: No
Authority: May 6, 1812: ScripWarrant Act of 1812 (2 Stat. 728)

Document Numbers:
Document Nr: 21831
Accession/Serial Nr. AR2960__.013
BLM Serial Nr: AR NO S/N

Patent Description
Legal Land Description:
Aliquot Parts: NE
Sec./Block: 27/
Township: 7-N
Range: 13-W
Fract. Section: No
Meridian: 5th PM
State: AR
Counties: Faulkner
Survey Nr: [blank]

Below is Bpn's 25 July 2002 transcription of the associated Acrobat Reader
image file (AR2960_.013.PDF) for the above-described document [note:
portions below that are contained between asterisks (such as **) were
filled in by hand in a pre-printed form]:

**Ex'd, James Monroe, 13**
President of the United States of America, TO ALL TO WHOM THESE PRESENTS
SHALL COME, GREETING:
Know ye, That, in pursuance of the Acts of Congress appropriating and
granting Land to the late Army of the United States, passed on and since
the sixth day of May, 1812, **Lilly Poythress heir at law of Peter
Poythress deceased** having deposited in the General Land-office a Warrant
in **her** favor, numbered **21831** there is granted unto **the said
Lilly Poythress heir at Law of Peter Poythress dec'd,** late a **private
in Peyton's Comp'y, of the 20 Regimt, of Infantry** a certain Tract of
Land, containing **One hundred & sixty Acres** being in the **NorthEast
quarter** of Section **Twenty seven** of Township **Seven North** in
Range **Thirteen West** in the Tract appropriated (by the Acts aforesaid)
for Military Bounties in the Territory of **Arkansas** TO HAVE AND TO
HOLD the said **quarter** Section of Land, with the appurtenances thereof,
unto the said **Lilly Poythress heir at Law of Peter Poythress dec'd**
and to **her** heirs and assigns for ever.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have caused these Letters to be made patent, and
the Seal of the General Land Office to be hereunto affixed. Given under my
Hand, at the City of Washington, this **twenty seventh** day of
**November** in the Year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and
**twenty** and of the Independence of the United States of America, the
forty- **fifth**
By the President , **J M**
**J M** Commissioner of the General Land-Office		07/25/2002 10:48:16
Ella May - George W. - Edward - LewisNicoleI am the great-granddaughter of Ella Mae Poythress, b. January 16, 1866 and d. May 13, 1937 in Orange County, North Carolina. She married Sydney Freemont Long. I believe her father is George W. Poythress and her mother Permelia/Pamela Susan due to Census records. I also believe George W.'s father is Edward Poythress and his mother Mahala Nance, again due to census records. I am trying to find more information about any of these families, especially Edward's parents (Lewis Poythress and Patsey Elizabeth Giles?) and grandparents. Any ideas? Thanks,

Nicole Gooding-Ray		07/31/2002 2:09:21
John Poythress - Civil WarDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionHello All,
I found the following during a search for something totally unrelated and
was wondering who this "John Poythress" might be as I don't recall any
Poythresses in Effingham Co.
Might it ring any bells for anyone? I was just curious who he was...Maynard
or Bud, one of yours?


Company I
5th Regiment Georgia Volunteer Cavalry
Effingham County, Georgia
"Effingham Hussars"

Captain Henry J. Strobhar, Commanding

John POYTHRESS enlisted in 1st COMPANY B, 25th Regiment, Georgia Infantry on
10 Aug 1862. He was relieved from duty by Conscript Act 16 Aug 1862. He
enlisted in Company I, 5th Regiment, Georgia Cavalry on 1 Aug 1863, at Isle
of Hope, Georgia. The roll for December, 1864, last on file, lists him as
being absent on furlough since 30 Dec 1864. No further record. [MIL REC -
GALLANT - HENDERSON]




Thanks,

Debbie

_________________________________________________________________
Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com		08/03/2002 1:38:50
Re: John Poythress - Civil WarDebbie, I believe this to be John White Poythress, the first son of Meredith
Poythress, Sr. and his second wife, the widow Hester Wilder Mock.

Reasons:

1) John Maner Poythress (Co D, 47th GA Inf. "Screven Guards") was always
clearly identified as John "M." Poythress in all his CSA records.

2) John M. Poythress, to our knowledge, never left Screven County, enlisted
there and returned there upon parole.

3) John White Poythress (the only other "John" around) is vaguely believed to
have
gone to Effingham County as he disappears from Screven and later shows up in
some connection with that North Newington Baptist Church. This church is
actually in Screven but is almost straddling the county line between
Effingham and Screven.

Bud is likely to take issue with the assignment of Hester Wilder Mock as the
bride of Meredith Poythress, Sr. and not Meredith Poythress, Jr. but we can
take up those cudgels on a different thread if Bud wishes.

Maynard		08/03/2002 4:56:25
Re: Poythress CousinDebbie......I'm sorry. I wasn't keeping Christine under wraps. She is a
legit concert
artist of reknown. And her AOL name, aviddiva, first attracted me as I am
always on alert for palindromes. If I'm not mistaken, she is already on the
list and I hope you two can make some hay off the "Warren" connection.

Maynard



08/06/2002 5:17:54
Peter Poythress, possibly is/isn't son of Meredith Poythress, SrCharles NealMaynard & all,

Agreed; we do know that folks were much more mobile in the late 1700s &
early 1800s than many people realize.

And agreed; we have no way of absolutely knowing whether the Peter
Poythress of the War of 1812, was identical to, or different from, the
Peter Poythress, son of Meredith/Meridith Poythress, who I had mentioned
that was listed with Meredith Poythress, his father in Mecklenburg County,
Virginia tax records. The Peter, son of Meredith, from the tax records
certainly appears to be the Peter whose record you found in the Screven Co,
GA Book A-2, p. 182, in 1809 conveying land & mentioning his father
Meredith Poythress.

To refresh memories, the info about Peter Pothress/Poythress who was
enlisted in the War of 1812 was transcribed in my 10 July message from the
Register of Enlistment, Micropublication M-233, roll 10; National Archives,
Washington, DC, "Registers of Enlistment In the U.S. Army 1798-1914,
Volumes 19 & 20 (P-R), 1798-May 17, 1815." Entry 2835 was for Pothress /
Poythress, Peter, who indicated he was born in Dinwiddie, VA and that he
was age 32 at time of enlistment at Danville, VA on Aug. 9, 1814, which
would mean he was born in about 1782, or so. This Peter was the same Peter
as the Peter whose widow Lilly got land in Arkansas (see my 7/25/02
transcription of the pertinent General Land Office record, message
captioned "Peter Poythress, dec'd in War of 1812, possibly son of Meredith,
Sr").

Upon looking at the notes I made when examining (some years ago) the
Mecklenburg Co, VA Personal Property Tax records, I'm still cautious that
this Peter from the War of 1812 records, could be the same Peter or could
be a different Peter from the Peter Poythress who was son of
Meredith/Meridith Poythress/Poytress.

The Mecklenburg Co, VA Personal Property Tax records began in 1782. Of
course, in those old handwritten records we are lucky just to find an
indication of any relationship for a second male's name in the household.
Certainly no date or place of birth is included for anyone.

One can make some assumptions on the rough age of the second male in the
household, based on which year he begins to be listed by name [i.e. when he
becomes of tithable age]. Initially in the 1782 tax records, the pertinent
column-heading was for "number of free males over 21." By 1790, that
column's heading was "number of free males over 16." My notes indicate
that in 1801, the column-heading was again "number of free males over 21"
but I am not sure which year the column-heading (& the tithable age)
changed because not every year of the Mecklenburg PP Tax records actually
had the column-heading written out; the records are not on pre-printed
forms until many, many years later.

Meridith Poythress (Sr., per Maynard's info) first appeared on the
Mecklenburg Co, VA Personal Property Tax records in 1786. Prior to then,
the only time I saw the "Poythress" name in those records was an intriguing
listing in one year -- 1782 -- for a "Poythress Clayton" (and I note here
that "Clayton" is a common spelling variation for "Cleaton.") From how the
other names were listed, it appears that Clayton was the surname &
Poythress was the given name.

Meridith (spelled consistently with "i" after the "r" in these records) was
the only Poythress/Poytress I found on the lists for the following years
(and he was the only free male listed for his own household for these
years):
1786
1787
1788
1789
1790
1791
1792
1793 and
1794
Then in 1795, we began to have listings in Mecklenburg County for
households for both Meridith and Lewis. Meridith continued to be listed
every year through 1801. Listed in Meredith's household in 1800 and in
1801 (and only for those 2 yrs) were two tithables, with the second being
specified as "son, Peter." Thus we can conclude that Peter came of age for
being counted (i.e. "tithable") in 1800. I do not know if the tithable age
in 1800 was still "over 16" but if so, that would indicate that Peter was
born about 1783 or so. If the tithable age was already changed back to
"over 21" Peter would've been born about 1779 or so. By Peter being listed
in 1801, when I am confident the tithable age was "over 21," it would
appear that Meridith's son Peter was born at least by about 1780 or so.

We must remember that people in general back then were less clear &
consistent about their ages, as well as on the spellings of their names.

Meridith did not appear again after 1801, in the lists that I examined
through 1850. Peter never appeared as head of a household in Mecklenburg
County.

(By the way, Lewis was not listed in 1796 or in 1801, though he was listed
1797 through 1800. Then from 1802, Lewis continued to be listed in most of
the years' lists that were filmed for that part of the county through
1845.)

Another by the way: at least in 1801 there was also on the same Mecklenburg
PP Tax List, a man named "David Meredith." I don't know from my notes
whether he was listed in other years. When wheeling thru microfilm, year
to year, it is difficult to remember to stop at various points in the
alphabet to check for various surnames, and I may not have remembered to
even look in the "M" sections for other years before or after 1801.

Further examination of these tax lists would obviously help, as would
looking at the ones of other counties to determine if Poythress folks
(including a Peter) were in other counties. It would also help to look at
whatever is needed to determine for sure what the tithable age was in
various specific years.

The Family History Library (FHL) microfilm numbers for Mecklenburg Co, VA
Personal Property Tax records are as follows:
for 1782-1800 FHL film #511,950
for 1782-1805 FHL film #1,854,098
for 1806-1828 FHL film #1,854,099.		08/06/2002 7:35:56
Eva PoythressDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionHello All!
I have a question I hope someone out there can answer for me.
I got a descendant chart from Bill Reeves last year and I can't identify who
this Eva Poythress belongs to, as he didn't list her parents.

Eva Poythress born 27 Feb 1903 Screven Co died 17 Nov 1979.
She married Charlie Myers Austin 30 July 1025 in Screven Co.
He was the son of John Austin and Effie Hodges and he was born 8 Sept 1902.

Their children are:
Charles Wendell Austin
Evelyn Grace Austin
Iris Elena Austin

Can anyone shed any light on this for me so I can get her in the right
family group?

Thanks in advance.

Debbie



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Lorene PoythressLorene Poythress, second wife of Carl Hutton Poythress Jr. died today in
Hattisburg
Mississippi.

Elaine



08/07/2002 2:09:09
New PCI am having a new Dell delivered and installed sometime in next couple of
days and my grandson will get this PC. I am also in the middle of trying to
settle some immediate affairs for a friend who died yesterday. I drew the
short straw earlier and am the executor of his will and the heirs are
clueless....oh joy!

Bottom line, I'll probably be on another planet for next few days so hold up
a week on anything specifically for me.

Many thanks,

Maynard

P. S. BPN....nice analysis on that Peter Poythress guy, I'm still mulling it.




08/07/2002 5:14:15
Re: Eva PoythressDebbie: Yes 'mam. Eva Poythress was my aunt. She was the sister of my
father and was born in Screven County and lived there all her life. Her
three children are all still alive and the oldest, Wendell, is now the
official patriarch of the Screven County Poythress-Wells reunion (an honor
obtained by outliving whomever had previously been oldest so it is not
especially a hotly pursued title given what it leads to. )

In the "images" section of the Poythress webpage under Horace Cullen
Poythress and family, Eva is the little girl of 6 years on the far left.

I'm just a little surprised that Bill Reeves "picked her out of a crowd" so
to speak, Eva is usually shown with siblings almost every place I have seen
her. Here is the description line on that generation which is well
documented.

18. Horace Cullen (1) POYTHRESS. Son of John Maner POYTHRESS & Rhoda E.
GROSS. Born 23 Jan 1867 in Screven County, Georgia. Died 6 Jun 1918 in
Screven County, Georgia. Buried in McBride Meth. Church Cemetery, Sylvania,
Ga. Occupation Farmer.

See photos of tombstones for Horace Cullen Poythress and Flossie O. Wells,
McBride Methodist Church Cemetery, Screven County, Georgia.

He first married Mary E. MERCER, daughter of Edna A. MERCER, 30 Jan 1890 in
Screven County, Georgia. Born 10 Mar 1846. Died 16 Dec 1899 in Screven
County, Georgia. Buried in Gross Family Cemetery, Sylvania, Georgia.

Photostat of marriage license for Mary E. Mercer and Horace Cullen Poythress
in files. Ordinary: M. M. Potter; Preacher: N. J. Flanders.

Gross Family Cemetery (Mary E. Mercer) is located 1.5 mi. N. of McBride
Methodist Church, Screven County, Georgia...in old field left of Conner
Landing Road. Tombstone inscription: Mary E. Poythress nee Mercer, Born 10
Mar 1846, died 16 Dec 1899; "He giveth His Beloved Sleep".

He second married Flossie O. WELLS, 3 Oct 1900 in Screven County, Georgia.
Born 8 Oct 1878 in Screven County, Georgia. Died 7 Nov 1914 in Screven
County, Georgia. Buried in McBride Meth. Church Cemetery, Sylvania, Ga.

They had the following children:

26 i. Helen POYTHRESS
27 ii. Etta POYTHRESS
28 iii. Mattie Eva POYTHRESS
29 iv. Horace Cullen2 POYTHRESS
30 v. John Maner POYTHRESS
31 vi. Trudy Edith POYTHRESS
32 vii. Elwin Matthew POYTHRESS
33 viii. Myrtice POYTHRESS
34 ix. Juanita POYTHRESS

All of the siblings and their spouses are now dead. The last, Dorothy, wife
of Elwin Matthew Poythress, died last week at age 91. She by far had out
lived all the others.

Eva's husband, my Uncle Charlie, broke the code on coining money. When Union
Bag Co. built the first slash pine pulp paper mill in Savannah, they were
contracting for cut pine tree suppliers. The deal was for "x$" amount of
"cord feet" (or however they measured the stuff) and the supplier got to keep
the land at the end of the deal.
(Usual corporate brains and foresight in action).

Charlie Austin borrowed enough money to buy a couple of pulp wood trucks and
some chain saws, hired a bunch of "chain saw operators" and went into
business. He racheted himself up into being the prime supplier and never
sold an acre of the land. He wound up with about 12,000 acres at the time he
died in 1972. A cousin and I at ages about 9 through 11 spent several weeks
each summer with Charlie Austin as he managed his business interests all over
Screven and Effingham counties.

It was every bit as Faulknerian as it sounds.

Maynard		08/07/2002 5:24:16
Off the airShutting down to install my new PC which is scheduled for delivery tomorrow.

Be back with you in a couple of days.

Maynard



08/07/2002 5:26:08
Re: Eva PoythressCharles NealThanks, Maynard & Debbie, for the info.
BPN



08/08/2002 7:18:30
David Poythress Born in Alabama???????Hello to all.
I was looking at the 1920 census images of Lauderdale County, MS. I found
James S. Poythress listed and he gives his father and mother's place of birth
as Alabama.

Now if David Poythress born 1800-1806 is the father of James Speed Poythress
as we all firmly believe, James is saying David was born in Alabama. James
list his own place of birth as Virginia. So I take that to mean that David
moved to Virginia, as we know he was in Virginia, and James was born there.

Now for the big headache!! The direction we have been going, as to the
father of David is, Lewis born 1765-1775 or there about. Now we have never
seen any documentation that Lewis was anywhere other than Virginia. Are ya
with me so far?
So who was in Alabama 1790-1800 there abouts, that could possibly be David's
father?

As it has been said before, my Grandfather Carl H. Poythress said one of his
grandfather's was David and his other was Nathan. And if I am not mistaken
there
is a list member who is also searching for a Great or GG Grandfather named
Nathan.
Correct me if I am wrong.

Has anyone ever found Poythress' in Alabama Pre 1860's when James Edward
showed up in Sumter? Is there any way to get census records for 1790-1800
for Alabama? I hope this made sense. I think I even confused myself
again.Ok, What do ya think? Could any of this be possible. You all have
been at this alot longer than I have. Should we change direction on the
father of David? Do you think the census is wrong?

Maynard you may never get a new PC again. How dare you!!! It will be at least
2 or 3 days before I get the pleasure of your imput on this. BPN I know you
should have some interest in this and can give me your great insight and
wisdom as to the importance or NOT into this issue. I look forward to
hearing the opinion of all our List Members. Great Minds Accomplish Much.

Take care.
Elaine		08/08/2002 7:30:23
David Poythress Born in Alabama???????Charles NealElaine & all,

I'm about to be out of email touch for a couple of days myself & am really
short on time now, but the short answer is that in the 1920 Census, when
James Speed Poythress was age 90, I suspect that perhaps his hearing or
speaking or both might have contributed to some confusion in whose
birthplace he & the Census-taker were talking about. (& I guess it is even
possible that at age 90, JSP was no longer sharp as a tack mentally, but
I'll yield to someone from that family line who may know better about that
possibility)

At any rate, I haven't found many traces of any Poythress in Alabama or MS
before James E. Poythress got there in about 1853. There was one,
Littlebury Poythress, at some point I think earlier, in some further-over
part of MS, but I've seen no indication of male descendants from him; think
he just had one daughter who married a Bell, it seems like, from an estate
or some similar record we've seen.

And in the Sumter Co, AL - Lauderdale Co, MS area (adjacent counties) there
was an earlier "Ben Portis" but I've never been able to find anything to
tie him to the family.

Since my own grandfather was a Nathan Poythress, and one of his father's
brothers was a Nathan Poythress who died during the Civil War (never
married; no descendants), I've always kept a sharp eye out for other Nathan
Poythresses, but I've not seen any others in AL or MS.

BP		08/09/2002 10:07:13
David Poythress born in AL????Elaine,

These census records can certainly present inconsistencies. I think that
David and Lewis (his candidate father) never wandered too far from the
Mecklenburg area.

In perusing my research on David Poythress I find him first on the 1840
census as "David Portress" in Mecklenburg, VA along with Lewis and James.

He appears next on the 1850 Mecklenburg, VA census and here lists his
birthplace as VA.

In the 1860 NC census he is living in Warren Co. NC and lists his birthplace
as Mecklenburg, VA.

And this interesting portion of a letter written by Carl H. Poythress to his
niece Annie G. Poythress Shamburger, dated March 1, 1967:

"My father [James Speed Poythress] was born near Petersburg, Virginia, Sept.
24, 1829 -he came South in the mid-forties to fight in the Mexican war; on
returning to Virginia he passed through the black-belt of Alabama, and saw
the richness of the soil that a few years later he returned to that territory
and settled near Greensboro, Alabama."

"My father's people all lived in Virginia; he [James Speed] had a
half-brother named Charlie Poythress and he had a son named James who came to
Meridian and lived with us a few months, tried to railroad but didn't like it
so returned to Virginia; he is the only one of my father's family that we
ever met."

Hope this helps.

Best, Barbara (BPW)		08/09/2002 12:58:39
Re: Just wondering?In a message dated 8/10/2002 2:10:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bpoythress@ec.rr.com writes:

> Subj:Just wondering?
> Date:8/10/2002 2:10:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:bpoythress@ec.rr.com
>
> Hi folks,
> Got a newspaper clipping from sister Martha in Kings Mountain, NC that
> appeared in one of their local papers, - "The Shelby Star" of Shelby, NC,
> on August 2, 2002.
>
> The article under the title "Eugene Peterson parapharases the Bible in
> every day language" written by Tom Laceky, Associated Prfess Writer --
>
> I wont quote the full article, but in the text is '2' paragraphs as
> follows:
>
> quote: .... "Vern Poythress, a New Testament professor at Westminister
> Theological Seminary in Glenside, Pa., says he and fellow conservatives may
> quibble with many of Peterson's renderings but have leveled few attacks
> because "The Message" isn't a Bible and isn't presented as such.
> He sees it as useful for evangelism amoung people who know nothing
> about the Bible, so long as they realize it's merely one writer's
> interpretation of the biblical message. He says Peterson's work is at the
> far end of the spectrum, not only in paraphrasing but coltural updating."
> .........unquote
> Now my Dad would say "Vern, being a professor at a seminary simply could
> not have been any kin of his!"
>
> What say you folks? Any connections with this fellow that you know of?
> Bud
>
>
> Bud: nope not a chance he is kin to we Pharisees. I even asked him once.
> His name is all over just about any search engine you can find. He is
> widely published and very much in the thick of matters theological which
> are usually a free for all among academics.

I would be proud to claim kinship given his theology. He is so conservative
he actually uses good King James' version and eschews the new, modern and
revised (aka Hip Hop) Bible.

Maynard		08/10/2002 10:59:30
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in this newsletter.		08/12/2002 3:56:22
FHL Library CatalogI'm inclined to take a whack at this one, if only to have a mega-list of
available
microfilm to borrow at my local FHL. Maynard


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http://www.FamilySearch.org.		08/12/2002 3:58:59
Curious Fox - info- Curious Fox

Despite the somewhat unrelated name, Curious Fox is a new Web site of
interest to both genealogists researching ancestry in the U.K. and to
historians. I took a look at the site this week and must say that I was
impressed. This site is rather different from most other genealogy sites.
While it does contain local and family history, the Web site focuses on place
names. All genealogy information is associated with a location. Historical
information about each place name is available, with most of the data
provided by users.

Curious Fox is based upon a gazetteer of 50,000 UK villages, towns, and
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The free membership lasts as long as the user wishes. The site has a "red box
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You can access Curious Fox right now at: http://www.curiousfox.com.		08/12/2002 4:05:47
Re: Just wondering?Charles NealRe >Vern Poythress, a New Testament professor at Westminister Theological
Seminary in Glenside, Pa

He is a fine man. I learned several years ago from him that he is
descended from the William E. Poythress who married Martha J. Usher in
1857, thru their son Robert Lamar Poythress, Sr. He had NO info on Wm E's
parents.

BPN		08/12/2002 7:17:26
Photo RequestFirst I would like to tell you, the Poythress Book I took to the reunion,
was a huge success. Thank you all for making me look so good. It was
because of all your hard work and wonderful discoveries on the Poythress'
that it was such a success. I am indebted to you all.

Second I would like to know if anyone has pictures of any Grave Markers of
the Thomas and Martha (Patsy) Poythress descendants, Lewis and Patsy or
Rebecca descendants, David and Mary or Sally line and James Speed Poythress
and Mattie line. I have the one of James S. and Mattie. I would also need to
know where these graves are located. I would like to include them in my book
and I would be happy to pay for having copies made. I took pictures of all
the Carl Hutton Poythress family graves and would be happy to send copies to
anyone interested. I did not get one of Francis Poythress grave, he is
buried in Meridian, MS somewhere, I am working on finding him. He was the
son of Carl and Pearl who died at 5 years old. They were still living in
Meridian at the time, the rest are buried in Laurel, MS, except my mother
Sue Caroll is buried in Jackson, MS.

As always any help would be appreciated.
Elaine		08/21/2002 9:46:34
Photo Request & Meridian cemeteriesCharles NealElaine,

While I cannot help you with photos, here is some helpful info:

If little 5-yr old Francis Poythress was buried in Meridian, Mississippi,
he was probably buried in either Magnolia Cemetery or Rose Hill Cemetery.
I know that Rose Hill Cemetery is where James Speed Poythress & his wife
Mattie, or Martha Grice are buried, though I haven't seen their graves.

There are books available that lists burials in each of those cemeteries.
They are published in Meridian by:

Lauderdale County [Mississippi] Dept of Archives & History [LCDAH]
Hours: 8am - 5pm, Mondays thru Fridays
Phone 601-482-9752
Street Location: Courthouse Annex, 2nd floor; 410 Constitution Av.
Mailing address: P.O. Box 5511
Meridian, Mississippi 39302-5511

LCDAH is an organization that is part publicly funded & part supported by
"membership" donations, which I think costs about $15 per year or so. For
that, one gets their Newsletter at least once a year, and their
periodically-updated list of their extensive books available (all of which
are very reasonably priced). If you call them at the above number, I'm
sure they'll be glad to mail you their publication list.

And if you are in Meridian (or know someone there who you can ask to go
there for you), you can sit & browse thru their books & take notes or pay
for photocopies.

LCDAH's books that I recall covered those cemeteries were done from the
cemeteries' records, so the books include more burials than just the ones
that have gravemarkers.

In case you aren't aware: Many cemetery plots contain graves without
markers. Cemetery records generally show at least the date of burial & the
other individuals buried in the same plot; some even show more info, such
as the funeral home, age of deceased, etc.

I gladly support such organizations, and encourage others to do so, too,
because their volunteers who abstract the info from old records, wanted by
so many of us researchers, put in quite a lot of work year after year.
Their self-publishing and their "membership" donations are essential to
keep such good work going.

Cheers, Barbara
= = = =

First I would like to tell you, the Poythress Book I took to the reunion,
was a huge success. Thank you all for making me look so good. It was
because of all your hard work and wonderful discoveries on the Poythress'
that it was such a success. I am indebted to you all.

Second I would like to know if anyone has pictures of any Grave Markers of

the Thomas and Martha (Patsy) Poythress descendants, Lewis and Patsy or
Rebecca descendants, David and Mary or Sally line and James Speed Poythress

and Mattie line. I have the one of James S. and Mattie. I would also need
to
know where these graves are located. I would like to include them in my
book
and I would be happy to pay for having copies made. I took pictures of all

the Carl Hutton Poythress family graves and would be happy to send copies
to
anyone interested. I did not get one of Francis Poythress grave, he is
buried in Meridian, MS somewhere, I am working on finding him. He was the
son of Carl and Pearl who died at 5 years old. They were still living in
Meridian at the time, the rest are buried in Laurel, MS, except my mother

Sue Caroll is buried in Jackson, MS.

As always any help would be appreciated.
Elaine


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Screven Co. Index to Original Loose PapersCarole.....neat find! I didn't quite understand if you just found the index
or found and/or transcribed some of the documents.

One that you list may be a fine one: the Hope Brannen will of 1867. Meredith
Poythress, Jr. last showed in the census of 1860 living in the household of
Hope and Sarah Brannen. Sarah Poythress Brannen was Meredith's daughter.
Meredith is shown, as I recall, as "farm worker" or something like that,
implying that he wasn't exactly a rich retiree although he would have been
very, very old by the time of the 1860 census.

The Brannen family intersects with our'n at many places. It's doubtful that
Hope Brannen's will would indicate his place of burial but in those days of
"family burial plots" it is likely Meredith is buried at the same place as
Hope Brannen and the will might have a clue.

It's also not likely there is a remaining tombstone if he even got one in the
first place. But it's not out of the question. Meredith's son John Maner P.
died only several years later in 1867, got a "cast concrete" stone (about the
cheapest going, typical during Reconstruction # 1) and it survives, albeit
because it was semi-buried for the last 50 years or so.

Wonder why they were so secretive about it? Just playing Prussian Postmaster
would be my guess; courthouse employees run the gamut from the nicest to the
worst not unlike the rest of us I suppose.

I don't know that I can get into that file and transcribe any of that stuff
but I still have a ton of questionable-clout kinfolks down there and I'll try
if you can give me some pointers. First pointer could be where did you find
this "court?" When I drove all around the town square a week ago, the
erstwhile courthouse was a pile of red dirt still freshly dozed. I was asleep
at the switch and didn't make any inquiries about what might be going on.

As a further bit of whimsy, the Brannen family are old, old time guys around
there.
Brannen's Bridge and Brannen's Bridge Road are named for them. The bridge is
over Briar Creek at the site of the revolutionary Battle of Briar Creek.
While likely more of a skirmish than a battle due to the small numbers
involved, the battle reportedly slowed up British reinforcements that were
headed to some confrontation in S. C. that had significance and was won by
the Colonials. I recall reading somewhere (I suspect in some of Dixon
Hollingsworth's material) that the reason Sherman didn't burn much in Screven
County was in deference to this historically significant site. Another
likely reason is there wasn't much to burn, how those folks scratch a living
out of that land remains a mystery to me.

Best,

Maynard		08/23/2002 3:43:17
Gazzie PoythressDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionHello All!
I found the following information on Ancestry.com's section of GA Censuses.
Gazzie H. was a younger brother to my g-grandfather, Thomas Boston.
Originally, I did not have much information on him or his family, so I was
very happy to have found this information. Minnie L. was a Seckinger,
thereby related to Julia Ann Usher (Thomas Boston's wife), who's mother was
also a Seckinger.
I am so glad that I can see the censuses online...hard to read sometimes,
but Poythress, is unmistakeable, no matter how it's spelled!

Debbie

Following information is from 1920 Screven Co Census, 1676 Dist, Newington
Town Roll: T625_275, pg 13A, Ed. 149, Image 563 (Ancestry.com Image 19)
Location: Hudson Ferry Rd. Census taken on 26-27 Oct 1920

Line 30:Poythress, Gazzie H. Head (owner) M W 41 M(arried)
Yes/Yes (read/write)
Born: GA Both parents born: GA
Yes (speaks English) Occupation: Farmer Owns farm
OA Own account (for salary) # Farm schedule = 116

Line 31: , Minnie L.Wife F W 26 Married Yes/Yes
Born: GA Both parents born: GA
Yes (English)

Line 32: , W. Troy Son M W ?(age) S NO
(not Attending School)
Born: GA Both parents born: GA

Line 33: , Gazzie E. Son M W 7/12(?) S
Born: GA Both parents born: GA

Line 34: , Martha Mother F W 78 Wd Yes/Yes
Born: GA Both parents born: GA
Yes (English)

Line 35: , C______(?) Brother M W 35 S Yes/Yes
Born: GA Both parents born: GA
Yes (English) Occupation: Farmer Own Farm OA
#Farm Schedule = 117



1930 Screven Co Census, 1676 Dist (Dist 20 Ancestry.com Image 2) Sheet 1B
ED #126-20 Supervisors District #12 Taken 7 April 1930 (Census taken by
Carl C. Poythress?)

Location of residence again on Hudson Ferry Rd.

Line 57 13/13 Poytress, Gazzie H. Head Owner Yes (lives on Farm)
M W 51 M(arried) 30 (yrs old at first Marriage)
No/Yes (did not attend school recently/read & write)
Born: GA Parents born: GA
Yes speak English Occupation Farmer
General Farm Owns Farm
Did not serve in Military # of farm schedule 12

Line 58: Kati L. (?)Wife F W 33 Married 17
No/Yes
Born: GA Parents born: GA
Yes English

Line 59: , Troy W. Son M W 15 S Yes/Yes
Born: GA Parents born: GA
Yes English Occupation Farm Laborer
General Farm
Line 60: , Mary L. Dau F W 10 S Yes/Yes
Born: GA Parents born: GA
Yes - English

Line 61: , Elmond (?) Son M W 8 S Yes/Yes
Born: GA Parents born: GA
Yes - English

Line 62: , Louise Dau F W 7 S Yes/ Yes
Born: GA Parents born: GA
Yes English

Line 63: , Martha Mother F W 88 Wd No/Yes
Born: GA Parents born: GA
Yes English

Line 64: Blackburn, Carl Step-Son M W 10 S Yes/Yes
Born: GA Parents born: GA
Yes English









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Loose Papers-Screven Ct. of Ord.Carole.....great idea you put on the Screven board about having an on-line
"board" meeting of those interested in Screven County. I'm sure there are
others of us on the Poythress wire who will be interested besides we two.
When you get the mechanics together please instruct us on how to tune in and
how to participate....particularly with respect to the technology for me.

I was pleased to see the great reception you got from one of the two heavy
hitters of Screven genealogy: Scottie Scott. The other is John "Bob" Peavy
who has been a great help to me over the years and actually ran a "BES"
(Bulloch-Effingham-Screven) board of his own in the days prior to Rootsweb.
Bob has dropped off the radar screen as far as I can tell but I'm hoping for
his return soon. He and Scottie just about cover the waterfront down there.

Re: the "Index to Screven County Original Loose Papers Office of the
Ordinary", there is a pencilled notation at the top of this page "Found
7/25/2002 Screven Co. Probate Court." Having now hooked up my new
printer-copier-scanner-rocket launcher I am looking at the hard copy and
notice that the "list" is typed on stationery of the Department of State, Ben
Fortson, Jr. I'll swear I think I even recognize that old typewriter but I
suppose all ancient Underwoods all look the same.

At any rate, "Mr. Ben" had that Sec. of State job for many, many years and
his nose and his "grabbers" for genealogical material were legend.

I sez to myself sez I: well, if the list was on Mr. Ben's stationery, surely
the individual pieces of the list content made it to archives microfilm and
the only thing that was probably "lost" and subsequently "found 7/25/2002" is
that typed list itself. Neither Mr. Ben nor any of his sucessors that I know
of would have let that material get away from them if they either had it or
had access to it. And no county probate court judge or clerk would have
bucked Mr. Ben if they liked their job.

I'm thinking about the people you met in Screven County who were secretive
about the "list". Well, maybe they do have the orginals back (or have had
them all along) in their possession but I'm going to guess that somewhere
along the way they got microfilmed and put in the Archives.

My reason for so speculating is that I have already transcribed a couple of
the wills listed on the "lost" list and I made the transcriptions straight
off of Georgia Archives microfilm.

The supposedly "entire" Screven County Ordinary, Estates, Records, Wills
material, although on only two microfilm reels (110/9 and 37/30) and two
Screven "books" (2 and 2B), wraps the period 1806 to 1902 and the "list" in
question has no dates outside of that "window."

My guess is that ALL of those documents are on microfilm in Atlanta (soon to
be at Morrow, GA) at the Archives. I have made myself a note since the list
now gives me a couple of names I must have overlooked (or not known were
significant) at the time I was doing the transcribing. I'll check it the
next time I go to Atlanta and report on it if I can't settle the matter even
before then by contacting a friend at the Archives. Tell me a little bit
more about your reception in Sylvania and where exactly did you look? Maybe
I can return the favor for the rough handling they appear to have given you.
Thanks.

We have enough hurdles without this one. I'm beginning to have hope that
this hurdle isn't there.

Best,

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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:12:55 EDT
Subject: Re: Photo Request & Meridian cemeteries
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I just received their publication list yesterday. I also just sent for
copies of all Poythress and Beasley marriage records, listed in the index of
Lauderdale County Marriage Records. If you need a copy of any of those
records, let me know and I will make you one there were 21 listed. There
were a couple of them I could not place. Do you know who Adelaide, Annie P.
Roberta, Rose Jones Poythress belong to? And would B.E. Poythress be Bennie
Edward Poythress son or Grandson of Algernon?

Take care,
Elaine

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Poythress marriages in Lauderdale County, MSCharles NealElaine,

I've re-titled this message instead of just hitting "Reply" so that the
archiving of this message on the Poythress-List will be more indicative of
what is in it. Great to know you got the Lauderdale County [Mississippi]
Dept of Archives & History publication list. And great of you to have
ordered copies of all the Poythress marriages you've learned of in
Lauderdale Co, too. I'll double-check soon to see which Lauderdale Co
Marriage records I need; thanks.

Yes, I can help place each of the Poythresses you asked about.

- "Annie P" is Annie Priscilla Poythress who married Charles Curtis. She
was the 3rd child (2nd daughter) of Algernon E. Poythress & Ellen Belle
McKinley. Annie was born 30 Jan 1874 across the state line in Sumter Co,
AL. She & Charles married25 Nov 1903 in Lauderdale Co, MS. No children. She
died 27 Apr 1913. Her Death Certificate indicates her cause of death as
"Corsinoma [sic] of Breast" as certified by Dr. James Bennett who had
attended her from December 1912 until her death; the informant, who was her
husband C[harles] A. Curtis gave her age as 39 years 2 months 28 days; her
birthdate and birthplace as 30 January 1874 in "Va;" her father as A. E.
Poythress, born in "Va;" her mother's maiden name as Ellen McKinley, born
in "Va;" her burial as being at Magnolia Cemetery (with no burial date
given) by undertaker H. C. Smith.

- "Adelaide" is Adelaid Ellen or Adelaide Elenor Poythress, the 6th child
of Algernon E. Poythress & Ellen Belle McKinley. Adelaide, or "Aunt Dade"
as the family's nieces & nephews called her, was born 7 Aug 1881 in Sumter
Co, AL. (Regarding her name, the "Family Record of A. E. Poythress,
Algernon Edward Poythress, and Ellen Bell McKinley Poythress" typed and
maintained during his lifetime by her brother Nathan Hamet Poythress,
listed her name as "Adelaid Ellen" and her birth place as Sumter County,
AL. Her death certificate, for which her husband T. Marvin Curtis was the
informant, shows her name as "Adelaide Elenor" and her birth place as
Mississippi. It would seem from these two items that she may have been
named "Adelaid Ellen" at birth, but may have preferred "Adelaide Elenor,"
as her husband listed for her death certificate.) She married Thomas
Marvin Curtis (a brother of Charles A. Curtis who married her sister
Annie), on 30 Nov 1904 in Lauderdale Co, MS. She died 19 Feb 1934 and is
also buried at Magnolia Cemetery in Meridian. No children.

- "Roberta" is Roberta Claire or Roberta Clare Poythress, the 9th child of
Algernon E. Poythress & Ellen Belle McKinley. She was born 15 Jun 1888 in
Sumter Co, AL. She married Walter J. Gartin in 1910 in Lauderdale Co, MS.
[This is definitely a marriage certificate I don't have, because I don't
even have a full marriage date for them!] They had one son, Robert Edward
Gartin (Robert was born in 1911; he never married; he died in 1965 and is
buried in Magnolia.). Roberta died 4 Feb 1919 and is buried in Magnolia.
Her surviving husband Walter J. Gartin, on 26 May 1920 in Lauderdale Co,
MS, married her elder sister Kate (Frances Katherine Poythress, who was the
7th child of Algernon E. Poythress & Ellen Belle McKinley, and was born in
1884. Kate & Walter had one child, a son who is still living. Kate died 29
Sep 1957 and is buried in Magnolia Cemetery. Walter is buried there between
Roberta & Kate.)

- "B.E." is indeed Bennie Edward Poythress, the 11th child of Algernon E.
Poythress & Ellen Belle McKinley. He was born in 1893 in Sumter Co, AL. He
married Lena Ross Spinks on 5 Jun 1918 in Lauderdale Co, MS. (They had 3
sons, the youngest of whom died of pneumonia at age 4; the eldest of whom
was Ben Edward Poythress, Jr. who died in Petersburg, VA in 1998; the
middle of son is still living.) Bennie Edward Poythress died 30 Mar 1960 &
is buried in Magnolia Cemetery.

- Rose Jones was the earlier name (could well be the maiden name) of the
"Rose Jones Poythress" you mentioned. She had married James Stroble
Poythress in 1925 in Lauderdale Co, MS. They were divorced sometime prior
to her 1938 marriage, also in Lauderdale Co, MS, to W. B. Wilmurth, Jr. I
don't know anything further about her or Wilmurth. James Stroble
Poythress, born in 1903, was a grandson of James Speed Poythress &
Mattie/Martha Grice Raiford. James Stroble Poythress was the 4th child of
the James David Poythress, born in 1869, who married Carrie Price Shepherd
on 11 Sep 1895 in Macon, Noxubee County, Mississippi.

Hope this helps.
BPN
= = = = =

From: Denver145@aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:12:55 EDT
Subject: Re: Photo Request & Meridian cemeteries

I just received their publication list yesterday. I also just sent for
copies of all Poythress and Beasley marriage records, listed in the index
of Lauderdale County Marriage Records. If you need a copy of any of those
records, let me know and I will make you one there were 21 listed. There
were a couple of them I could not place. Do you know who Adelaide, Annie P.
Roberta, Rose Jones Poythress belong to? And would B.E. Poythress be
Bennie Edward Poythress son or Grandson of Algernon?

Take care,
Elaine		08/25/2002 11:46:59
Re: Poythress marriages in Lauderdale County, MSThanks so much for the information. I am not very familiar with the later
generations of some of the Poythress' this gives me alot to add. My
daughter got me, The Family Tree Maker, for my birthday and I hope to start
filling in the blanks of the later generations. I would appreciate any of
the names and dates of the Grandchildren and so on of James Edward, and the
Great Grandchildren and so on of James Speed Poythress.

My invitation for copies of the Lauderdale County Marriage Records, are
extended to anyone who is interested in this line. Let me know who is
interested and when I receive them I will mail the copies.

Sincerely,
Elaine



08/26/2002 8:46:25
Re: Photo requestI would love the Marker Photos of all that you mentioned. That is wonderful
and exactly what I am looking for, pictures of any Grave Markers, of any of
the lines of Poythress'. These will be added to my Poythress Book. You
would not believe how interested my family members were in the information I
took to the Reunion. I got such a wonderful response and adding new
information and photos to my book, will make each reunion a learning
experience for all of my family.
As always, thank you.

Take care,
Elaine



08/26/2002 9:04:09
Re: Mary (Maggie) Magdeline PoythressIn a message dated 9/6/2002 8:09:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dapoythress@hotmail.com writes:

> Subj:Mary (Maggie) Magdeline Poythress
> Date:9/6/2002 8:09:28 PM Eastern Standard Time
> From:dapoythress@hotmail.com
> To:POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>
> Hello All!
> I've been looking through the 1930 censuses for both Screven & Effingham Co
>
> and I have run across a Maggie Poythress married James Andrew Hinely with a
>
> Alpha(?) N. Poytress, indicated as "niece". I'm assuming she is niece to
> Maggie and cannot identify to whom these Poythress' are connected.
> Maynard or Bud, are they connected to your branch?
>
> Got any ideas for me? It seems my GA cousins are as much in the dark about
> Wm E. as I am. The search continues...
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> Debbie

Debbie....never say never but she doesn't register with me. Married in 1930
(assuming recently married) puts her in my father's generation and I think I
have all his siblings down pretty well and by the time of their generation
they were to my uncertain knowledge the only ones left in Screven proper
although there were some loose in adjoining Jenkins County that neither Bud
nor I have ever gotten a handle on. This bunch often spelled it "Paythress."
Mr. Hinely is also a stranger. A. N. Poythress is also a stranger.

Was the record Screven OR Effingham? Makes a big difference. If its Screven
could be mine or Bud's. If it's Effingham chances are it's Bud's.....or else
some branch neither one of us ever heard of.

By the time of 1930 Poythresses/Paythresses were two-a-penny down there in
that 4-5 county area and the idea of unscrambling all of them, I'm ashamed to
say, was intimidating enough to have me trying to fry other fish.

Maynard		09/06/2002 4:21:16
Obit Mrs. Ellen Lubojacky Poythress 4 Sep 2002Charles NealThe following obituary from The Birmingham News (published in Birmingham,
Alabama), published Thursday 5 September 2002, can be viewed at their
website, www.al.com/birminghamnews. Elmwood Cemetery is located at 600
Martin Luther King Drive S.W., Birmingham, AL 35211:

POYTHRESS, MRS. ELLEN LUBOJACKY, age 76, of Vestavia Hills, died Wednesday
morning, September 4, 2002. Funeral services will be held at 11:00 a.m. on
Saturday, September 7th, at Ridout's Valley Chapel in Homewood with burial
at Elmwood Cemetery. The family will receive friends Friday evening from 5
until 7 p.m. at Valley Chapel. She was preceded in death by her husband,
Clifton O. Poythress and is survived by her daughter, Barbara Poythress
Neal (Charles); two sons , Karl Poythress (Caroline) and Robert Poythress
(Diane); one brother, four sisters, 13 grandchildren, and one great
grandson. Mrs. Poythress was a member of First United Methodist Church of
Birmingham for over 50 years and was a member of the McDorman-Allen Sunday
School Class. Services are under the direction of Ridout's Valley Chapel
(879-3401) in Homewood.		09/06/2002 4:52:05
James Ronnie Poythress obits June 2002Charles NealTwo notices appeared in The Meridian [Mississippi] Star, re the death of
James Ronnie Poythress in early June 2002, a resident of the Meridian,
Mississippi area. His parents were James Daniel Poythress & Mildred Ruth
Dear. His grandparents were James D. Poythress & Ruby Young. His
great-grandparents were Algernon E. Poythress& Ellen Belle McKinley.
Ronnie was cremated and his family gathered for a private memorial.

The Meridian Star has a website & one can locate names in obituaries &
other articles through their site, but I don't have the website location
right now; one can find it thru Google just using the name of the
newspaper.

= = = =

First from the issue of Saturday, June 8, 2002:

James R. Poythress

Arrangements were incomplete at James F. Webb Funeral Home for James R.
Poythress, 59, of Meridian, who died Thursday, June 6, 2002, in Tucson,
Ariz.
= = = = = = =

Then from the issue of Weds, June 12, 2002:

James R. Poythress
Truck driver

A private family memorial will be held at a later date for James R.
Poythress, 59, of Meridian, who died Friday, June 7, 2002, in Tucson, Ariz.

Survivors include his wife, Margaret Poythress of Meridian; daughters,
Geraldine Parker, Marquerite La Batt and Betty Ann Wilkinson, all of
Meridian; grandchildren, Gega Ann Morgan, Breanna Michelle Singleton, Aaron
Lee Singleton, Donald Jenkins and Ronnie Jenkins; sisters, Brenda Murth and
her husband, Larry, of Houston, Ruby Pope of Conroy, Texas, and Sue Burwell
and her husband, Bob, of Cincinnati, Ohio,		09/06/2002 11:00:55
Mary (Maggie) Magdeline PoythressDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionHello All!
I've been looking through the 1930 censuses for both Screven & Effingham Co
and I have run across a Maggie Poythress married James Andrew Hinely with a
Alpha(?) N. Poytress, indicated as "niece". I'm assuming she is niece to
Maggie and cannot identify to whom these Poythress' are connected.
Maynard or Bud, are they connected to your branch?

Got any ideas for me?

It seems my GA cousins are as much in the dark about Wm E. as I am.
The search continues...


Thanks for any assistance.

Debbie

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Maggie PoythressDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionThanks Maynard!

I figured it out. It is Bud's line...I was looking at the Effingham Co 1930
census.
The A.N. appears to be Althea Viola (b. 1915) and she would have been a
niece to Mary (Maggie) Poythress, her brother's daughter. It seems Althea's
mother died in 1915, which is probably why she was staying with her A.
Maggie and U. James.

They descend from John White Poythress, son of Meredith Jr. & Hester Wilder.

Debbie

Descendants of John White Poythress

1 John White Poythress 1821 - 1900
.. +Mary Ann Margaret Wilder 1820 - 1879
......... 2 Mary H. Poythress 1845 -
............. +? Rushing
......... 2 Sarah Elizabeth Poythress 1846 -
......... 2 William H. Poythress 1848 - 1927
............. +Janie Elizabeth Hutchinson 1856 - 1928
.................... 3 Mary Magdeline Poythress 1879 - 1935
........................ +James Andrew Hinely 1872 - 1951
.................... 3 Theodore Hull Poythress 1883 - 1969
........................ +Bertha Mae Doyle 1893 - 1967
............................4 Theodore Milton Poythress 1911 - 1975
............................4 Mildren Grace Poythress 1914 -
............................ +Jefferson Wilcox Sirmans, Sr. 1913 -
............................4 William Hull Poythress 1917 - 1975
............................4 John Marion Poythress 1923 -
............................ +Lilly Ittner Morris 1932 -
............................*2nd Wife of John Marion Poythress:
............................ +Ellen Cleveland 1929 -
............................4 Leila Elizabeth Poythress 1924 -
............................ +Raymond Albert Williams
...........................*2nd Husband of Leila Elizabeth Poythress:
................................+Thomas Elbert Meeks
...........................*3rd Husband of Leila Elizabeth Poythress:
................................+Eugene E. Taylor
............................4 Mary Poythress
............................... +Lawrence A. Newton, Sr.
............................4 Gene Doyle Poythress 1930 -
............................... +Mary Ann 1934 -
............................4 Infant Daughter Poythress 1935 - 1935
.................... 3 Montague Matthew Sr. Poythress 1887 - 1968
........................ +Viola Bird 1899 - 1915
............................4 Althea Viola Poythress 1915 -
................................ +Paul Julian Sharpe - 1977
.................... *2nd Wife of Montague Matthew Sr. Poythress:
........................ +Mattie Strange Owens 1880 - 1958
...........................4 Matthew Montague Jr. Poythress 1918 - 1947
................................... +Eliose Deloach
.................... 3 John Addison Poythress 1890 - 1960
........................ +Mary Elizabeth Zipperer 1873 - 1954
.................... 3 Joseph Eugene Poythress, Sr. 1893 - 1981
........................ +Martha Elizabeth Gnann 1891 - 1981
...........................4 Joseph Eugene Poythress, Jr. 1918 - 1942
........................... +Betty Rebello
...........................4 LeRoof Poythress 1921 -
.................................+Esther Merle Clark 1921 -
...........................4 Infant Son Poythress 1925 - 1925
...........................4 Martha Ann Poythress 1928
-................................. +Glee Edwin Bridges 1926 -
.................... *2nd Wife of Joseph Eugene Poythress, Sr.:
........................ +Myrna Bacon Sampey - 1975
.................... 3 Walton Mercedee Poythress 1895 - 1974
........................ +Grover Cleveland Curtis 1885 - 1945
...........................4 Chester Howard Curtis 1914 - 1986
..................................+Frankie Riggs
...........................4 Thomas Alva Curtis 1915 -
..................................+Augie Carrara 1917 - 1989
.................... 3 Fulton Webster Poythress 1897 - 1987
........................ +Ottie Geneva Stripling 1895 - 1968
...........................4 Fulton Webster Poythress, Jr. 1920 - 1921
...........................4 Betty Victoria Poythress 1924 - 1929
...........................4 Joyce Elizabeth Poythress 1931 -
.................................+Robert Lee Yeatts
...........................*2nd Husband of Joyce Elizabeth Poythress:
.................................+Charles Brigham Dunn
.................... *2nd Wife of Fulton Webster Poythress:
........................ +Corrie Cook Brown
.................... 3 Vera Pauline Elizabeth Poythress 1904 - 1941
........................ +? Stall
......... 2 John H. Poythress 1850 -
......... 2 Henrietta Poythress 1856 -
............. +[1] James Calhoun Coker
.................... 3 Perry Coker
.................... 3 John Henry Coker
......... 2 Viola Poythress 1857 - 1945
............. +[1] James Calhoun Coker
.................... 3 Ethel Coker 1890 -
........................ +Jeremiah Arnsdorff, Jr. 1864 -
............................... 4 Jerry Calhoun Arnsdorff 1916 -
................................... +Jane Blackland
............................... 4 James Marvin Arnsdorff 1919 -
............................... 4 Mary Nell Arnsdorff 1922 -
................................... +James Pless
............................... 4 Annie Arnsdorff 1925 -
................................... +R. T. Oglesby
............................... 4 Bobby Arnsdorff 1928 -
................................... +Fred Bookhoop
............................... 4 Stella Arnsdorff 1930 -
................................... +Ray L. Seckinger 1919 -
.................... 3 Harry Coker 1898 -
......... 2 Charles M. Poythress 1859 - 1939
............. +Polly Wallace
......... 2 Lee Alexander Poythress 1861 - 1938
............. +Sarah Penelope Lightfoot 1871 - 1909
.................... 3 Infant Poythress 1909 - 1909
......... *2nd Wife of Lee Alexander Poythress:
............. +Lucy Lively Daley 1867 - 1966
.................... 3 Gordon Elmo Poythress
*2nd Wife of John White Poythress:
.. +Martha Virginia Flake 1852 - 1912
......... 2 Magnolia Poythress 1883 - 1945
............. +James Thomas Pitts
......... 2 Frank Poythress 1885 - 1977
......... 2 Twin Son Poythress 1885 - 1885


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Re: questionMy great-grandmother was a Poythress and I have red hair. My first cousin also
has red hair. One of my great-grandmother's sisters also had red hair.
Interestingly, I know of no men with red hair in my family history.

Nicole

Quoting Denver145@aol.com:

> Hello Maynard. The topic is very interesting, with I am sure, a hundred ways
>
> to give meaning to our name. I also, do not put stock in these places that
>
> define names. I will get my father to copy the one I had done for him. It
> says we do not have a Coat, but wore something else, a Crest I think it was,
>
> related to England or the Church of England. I cannot remember for sure,
> which. I will post what it says when I hear from my father. When you
> mentioned the Red Beard possibility, I couldn't help but think of our Captain
>
> Jack Poythress - First Submarine. It gave me a good chuckle. He had a Red
>
> Beard. Does anyone know if alot of Poythress' had red hair? I can't think
>
> of any in my immediate line that does. We are mostly medium to light
> brown.
>
> Elaine
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>		09/12/2002 2:35:35
questionTeresa WillisCould any of you tell me if there is a Poythress
Coat-of-Arms? If so do any of you have a copy? Where
can I get one?....
Also Lyn, I will probably be getting started back on my
research in the next few weeks. Going to Dinwiddie and
Charles City. And then hopefully to Richmond.
Sarah, do you think you could get a chance to go to
Richmond anytime soon? I hate to go by myself.

Sorry I've been out of the ring so long, hoping to get
back going now. Of course I've said that before...LOL.

Thanks,
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09/12/2002 2:43:05
Re: questionHello Teresa. I had a search done , on the Poythress name a few years back,
by one of those heritage groups at a local fair. They said that the
Poythress' did not have a Coat of Arms and something to the effect that we
wore the Crest of England or something like that. I had it framed and sent
it to my father for his birthday. It also said that the name Poitres was
French and that it meant Harness Maker, which came from their occupation. I
do not know how true any of it is, but if my Grandfather were alive he would
pitch a fit. He swears he was Scotch-Irish or Scots-Irish, not sure which it
is. Never been able to prove that though. Just a little tidbit for you.

Take care,
Elaine



09/12/2002 5:55:44
Re: red hairNicole,

You wrote:

"My great-grandmother was a Poythress and I have red hair. My first cousin
also
has red hair. One of my great-grandmother's sisters also had red hair.
Interestingly, I know of no men with red hair in my family history."

Who is your g-grandmother? Red hair and auburn hair are very much in evidence
in my line too. I know that my g-grandmother (nee Twisdale) who married a
Poythress had red hair, so I credited the Twisdale side with the red color.

Barbara (BPW)









09/12/2002 6:09:10
Re: questionElaine....that Poythress coat-of-arms thing is thrashed out through about 2
or 3 years worth of Wm. & Mary Quarterly reviews dated many, many years ago.
The yea's said it's recorded right here that so and so's tombstone in
Blandford Cemetery has the Poythress coat-of-arms on it. The "in print"
articles went on about 2 years. Finally, some enterprising soul went out to
Blandford Cemetery to see the said so and so grave and the coat-of-arms was
on an adjoining grave which was not a Poythress grave. That apparently ended
that argument at any rate as there is no further text on the subject.

This is not to say that somewhere in the world there isn't a Poythress
coat-of-arms but the only discussion that I have ever seen "at issue" was the
one in Blandford Cemetery which I confirmed myself on a visit.

Re: French origin of the name. I have a semi-adopted Frenchman who has some
tenous claim to the credentials of an etymologist. He also claims Poythress
and puts "Poi" as red and "thress" as beard. It may have been more
complicated than that; it's been a long time since we discussed it. I give
the point some credibility but no one has convinced me of anything yet.
However, Craig Scott also makes a credible argument somewhat along the theme
of "red beard"

Maynard		09/12/2002 7:15:04
Re: questionHello Maynard. The topic is very interesting, with I am sure, a hundred ways
to give meaning to our name. I also, do not put stock in these places that
define names. I will get my father to copy the one I had done for him. It
says we do not have a Coat, but wore something else, a Crest I think it was,
related to England or the Church of England. I cannot remember for sure,
which. I will post what it says when I hear from my father. When you
mentioned the Red Beard possibility, I couldn't help but think of our Captain
Jack Poythress - First Submarine. It gave me a good chuckle. He had a Red
Beard. Does anyone know if alot of Poythress' had red hair? I can't think
of any in my immediate line that does. We are mostly medium to light brown.

Elaine



09/12/2002 11:05:12
Poythress/Raiford BibleMy Dad took the Poythress/Raiford Bible to a photographer to have it
photographed. They just could not get very good copies by scanning it. He
said it will be done at High Density and Low Density and put on a CD. Not
sure exactly what that means, except I should get a good image from the CD.
It should be done in a week or two. Those interested in a photocopy of the
original pages, let me know and I will send you a copy. Also, Mr. Listmaster
Maynard, is there anyway that the images can be put in our images file on the
Poythress List from the CD itself? I noticed another Bible image on there
and would gladly let this one be added to it.

Elaine



09/12/2002 11:33:34
Red HairDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionThis is my contribution to the "Red Hair" theory:
My father, John Robert Poythress, has blonde hair (at least from all the
pictures I've seen of him) and his brother, William Arte Poythress, has red
hair as does most of his children (again from pictures).
My sister and I both have blonde (and we pay good money to keep it that
way!), however, my brother, John Bryant Poythress, has strawberry blonde as
does his daughter, Caila.
My mother has auburn, so we just figured it we got most of our coloring from
our father and three lines of Irish grandmothers (a Bryant & two Ushers).

Nicole, were do you live? Your email address caught my attention. I live in
Phoenix, AZ.

Debbie

"My great-grandmother was a Poythress and I have red hair. My first cousin
also
has red hair. One of my great-grandmother's sisters also had red hair.
Interestingly, I know of no men with red hair in my family history.

Nicole"






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09/13/2002 9:07:24
Re: Red Hairchristine poythressHi
I have blonde hair ....which I now pay to keep blonde
my sister has red hair....when young it was a brown with lots of red
highlights
both brothers were blonde
one with red in the beard
my father's brother was blonde and my dad was blonde as a boy
christine
----- Original Message -----
From: Debbie Poythress-Concepcion
To:
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 4:07 PM
Subject: Red Hair


This is my contribution to the "Red Hair" theory:
My father, John Robert Poythress, has blonde hair (at least from all the
pictures I've seen of him) and his brother, William Arte Poythress, has red
hair as does most of his children (again from pictures).
My sister and I both have blonde (and we pay good money to keep it that
way!), however, my brother, John Bryant Poythress, has strawberry blonde as
does his daughter, Caila.
My mother has auburn, so we just figured it we got most of our coloring from
our father and three lines of Irish grandmothers (a Bryant & two Ushers).

Nicole, were do you live? Your email address caught my attention. I live in
Phoenix, AZ.

Debbie

"My great-grandmother was a Poythress and I have red hair. My first cousin
also
has red hair. One of my great-grandmother's sisters also had red hair.
Interestingly, I know of no men with red hair in my family history.

Nicole"






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Margaret weighs in.........on the subject. She has to have high credibilty rating, via proximity
alone if nothing else:

Subj: Re: question
Date: 9/15/2002 3:31:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: margaret.fletcher@virgin.net
To: VKRatliff@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Hmm - red hair, coats of arms?? Just a thought, but I suspect the
Poytress/Poythress(e) (what's in a name?) origins are really very simple.

Hereford Cathedral in Herefordshire, England was built in the 12/13th
century by a Knight/Lord from Poitier who would have had an entourage of
servants with him - all belonging to Knight/Lord 'Poitier' - eventually to
be corrupted into Poitres/Poytress/Poythress(e)? It can't be just
coincidence that the earliest Poitres/Poytress/Poythress(e) recorded are to
be found just outside Hereford in a small village called Fownhope - can
it??... (I don't have red hair either).
Regards,
Margaret

(incidentally, Margaret is on the wire. She lives in the Cotswolds...MP)		09/15/2002 10:10:54
What's in a name....The French weigh in:

Subj: Re: From the horses' mouth....
Date: 9/16/2002 10:36:06 AM Eastern Standard Time
From: APSalomon
To: VKRatliff

Indeed, hers sounds very, very good... (Margaret Fletcher's)
One never knows, but Poitiers makes sense. French people are likely to always
have pronounced it [poa-ti-e], but silly Englishmen could have perverted it!


So I took it one step further, and FYI, here is what's in the Poitiers name:

Poitiers (Limonum) : (86000) chef-lieu du département de la Vienne, sur le
Clain.

Capitale de la cité gauloise des Pictavi ou Pictones, sous le nom de Limonum
.Ville de l'Aquitaine 2ème (à partir de Valentinien Ier);La Civitas
Pictavorum faisait partie du territoire donné en souveraineté aux Wisigoths,
selon le foedus de 418. Elle faisait donc que ce territoire wisigoth avait
pour limites officielles la rive sud de la Loire, de son embouchure jusqu'à
Candes / Montsoreau, puisqu'à cette époque la Vendée et le Pays de Retz en
faisaient partie intégrante. Elle fut reprise par Clovis après la bataille de
Vouillé, en 507. C'est également près de Poitiers qu'a eu lieu en 732 la
bataille entre les Francs de Charles Martel et les Arabes d'Abd
Al-Rahman.Evêché dès le IVè siècle.
=============================================
Poitiers (Limonum in Latin) was named after the Gauls tribe of the Pictavi,
or Pictones. The city has been known as "Civitas Pictavorum" since 207, and
was given to the Germans Goths in 418. Clovis, the first king of the Francs
tribe, would seize its control in 507, and Charles Martel would successfully
fight for it against the Spanish Arabs invaders in 732. As a matter of
trivia, it is a widely taught fact that the Arabs never went further North
than Poitiers in their whole history... It was probably called Poitou or
Poitiers as early as the 4th century.

Voila!
-Alex		09/16/2002 5:40:56
1890 CensusWhy is there no 1890 Census? What should be researched, to replace this
Census, for that time period?

Thanks,
Elaine		09/17/2002 7:02:13
FW: Wynne-Wynn-Winn Family ReunionCliff and Sheryl TownsendJust wanted to send this notice on to the list in case anyone is interested
in the Wynne Family.
sheryl

-----Original Message-----
From: leonard wynne [mailto:lmwynne1@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:15 AM
To: Leonard Wynne
Subject: Wynne-Wynn-Winn Family Reunion


September 18, 2002


Hi Cousins,

I am a little late getting this reminder notice out. I am trying to send
this from the hospital room of my wife. She has been here for over 3 weeks
and has about that much longer before going home. I try to be here with her
from daylight until dark. So I am using this as a reason for being late
sending this reminder.

We are less than a month away from our reunion and I hope to see all of you
there. I know some of you have been having trouble finding a motel. The
reason is - this is the same weekend that professional boat races are taking
place at the lake just a short distance from Exit 152. If you havent made
your reservations do so today if you can. Ask for Sherri at the Holiday Inn
Express 423-837-1500 and tell her you are here for the Wynne reunion.

One more request, if you plan on being here on Saturday October 12th we you
to meet us at the Sweeten Cove Community Center for hamburgers and hot dogs.
I will send more information and directions 8 or 10 days before October
12th. Right now I would appreciate you letting me know to count on you.
This will let us be sure we have enough food. You wont have to bring
anything except yourself.

Again, thanks to our favorite Cuz Becky I will also send this reminder
through WINNL@rootsweb.com. If you have not tried WINNL@rootsweb.com It
would be worth your time to get involved.

If any of you should happen to change your address please send me a reminder
so I can try to stay up to date. I hope I have most of your addresses
correct since I am using the addresses on my laptop Im just
not sure.


Wynne/Wynn/Winn FAMILY REUNION October 13, 2002


Plans are being made now for more talking and getting to know our cousins
better. We plan to have a Hamburger and Hotdog cookout on Saturday October
12th in Sweetens Cove before our reunion the next day. This is the area
that John Wynne moved to in the early 1820's. We will meet at the Sweeten
Cove Community Center just across the road from the Primitive Baptist
Church. The church was built in 1821 on land donated by John Wynne. Many
of the Wynne family were members at this church. John Berry Wynne born1800
and wife Margaret (Peggy) Kennedy first made their home in Sweetens Cove,
in Marion County, TN. later in the 1820's. John Berry Wynnes twin brother
Thomas that married Nancy Sweeten also made their home in Sweetens Cove
about this same time. This is just two of the children of John Wynne and
are the ones that many of our families descend from. We will have time to
discuss other things about our ancestors during this time together.


Robert Bruce Wynne has made arrangements at the Sweetens Cove Community
Center for our cookout on Saturday October 12th before our reunion on
Sunday at the North Alabama Electric Coop. building in Stevenson, AL. You
will be hearing more about this cookout as the time grows closer and time is
growing closer. I will be asking for a count later on so we will have
enough food. Sweetens Cove is very close to Exit 152 off I-24. There is
plenty of parking space and acres of beautiful lawn.

Once again I want to thank the ones that are responding to these Reunion
Reminders. I hope to hear from more of you this time. We already have
some of our cousins from Walla Walla, Washington that have made plans to be
here. So for any of the rest of us we only have a short trip compared to
their distance They are looking forward to meeting new cousins.

I have checked with some of the Hotels or Motels about a special rate. The
best I have been able to do so far is Holiday Inn Express Phone Number
423-837-1500 or Fax 423-837-9065. This is at Exit 152 of I-24. The regular
rate is $69.99 for one King Bed or Two Queen Beds. If we have as many as 8
rooms they will give us the room for $59.00. They also have a continental
breakfast for all, if that will satisfy your hungry attack until you can get
a larger breakfast


Please make every effort to attend. We all want to meet new cousins. We
are still locating more new cousins just about every month. Come join the
fun. Last year was great. We had 138 cousins represented from 9 states.
I will update this notice each month as we get plans together.


South Pittsburg, TN is at Exit 152 on I-24 only about 15 - 18 minutes from
Stevenson, AL At this exit there is a small shopping center with a large
Wal-Mart Super Store. You can get a list of most of the Hotel/Motels and
Restaurants at and around this Exit 152 at the following Web Address. Exit
152 is entrance to Hy 72.

http://www.southpittsburg.com/


Lets make this the best yet.
I will try to update this notice monthly giving you any update.
Let me hear from you.
How about dropping me a short Email note if you are making plans to attend
and I hope you are.

If you have any questions please Email me.

Your Cousin,

Leonard M. Wynne
South Pittsburg, TN
lmwynne1@earthlink.net
Phone 423-837-7388


See if you can make a connection with one of the names listed below.


Robert Wynn 1563 - 1609 and Frances Wattmer
Peter Wynne 1593 - 1638 and Martha Coppin
Col. Robert Wynne 1622 - 1675 and Mary Sloman
Maj. Joshua Wynne 1662 - 1715 and Mary Jones
Col. William Wynne, Sr. 1705 - 1778 and Frances Reade

Capt. William Wynne, Jr. 1729 - 1808 and Cynthis Harmon
or Phillis Marrs
John Wynne 1760 - 1828 and Mary (Polly) St. John
John Berry Wynne 1800 - 1864 and Margaret Kennedy






Wynne/Wynn/Winn Family Reunion
Same Location as Last year


Our Annual Family Reunion will be held on Sunday October 13, 2002 at North
Alabama Electric Coop. Located just off Hwy. 72 in Stevenson, Alabama 1/4
mile West of Hwy. 117. This is between MM 156 and MM 155. Any descendant
from one of the names above are urged to attend.

Dont forget the cookout on Saturday October 12th.

Let me hear from you.		09/18/2002 5:31:19
Edward Poythress, Mecklenburg Co., Va.Lyn BairdNicole, good to hear from you some time back. Many of us on the Poythress
list are descendants or would-be descendants of Lewis Poythress and either
his first wife, Elizabeth Giles, or his second, Rebecca B. Taylor. I fall
into the latter category, being a twice-great-grandson of Thomas M.
Poythress, son of Lewis. As you probably have found, there is information
about Lewis and kin at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/poythressmaster.htm.
There has been much speculation (but not proof) that Lewis is the son of
Thomas Poythress of Brunswick Co., Virginia and Screven/Burke Cos., Georgia.

I believe you are the first researcher among us to claim descent from Edward
Poythress. Likely you have his 1828 marriage record, his federal census
records (1850 Mecklenburg, VA; 1860 Granville, NC) and the 1818 will of his
grandfather Giles of which Edward P. is a legatee.

You are welcome to post specific questions, as well as more information
about Edward, to the list. We have not been able to find the location of
the Edward P. household in the 1830 or 1840 federal census. We also do not
know what happened to Edward after 1860. There has also been some
speculation (but no proof) that John Lewis Poythress (1850 Granville, NC;
1860 Mecklenburg, VA)was a son of Edward. Any light shed on the
relationship between Edward P. and John Lewis P. would be appreciated. (We
have at least one descendant of JLP on the list.) Let us hear more from
you.

Best regards,
Lyn Baird

-----Original Message-----
From: Nicole [mailto:nicole@netphoenix.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:09 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Ella May - George W. - Edward - Lewis

I am the great-granddaughter of Ella Mae Poythress, b. January 16, 1866 and
d. May 13, 1937 in Orange County, North Carolina. She married Sydney
Freemont Long. I believe her father is George W. Poythress and her mother
Permelia/Pamela Susan due to Census records. I also believe George W.'s
father is Edward Poythress and his mother Mahala Nance, again due to census
records. I am trying to find more information about any of these families,
especially Edward's parents (Lewis Poythress and Patsey Elizabeth Giles?)
and grandparents. Any ideas? Thanks,

Nicole Gooding-Ray		09/23/2002 3:37:16
Thomas PoythressTeresa WillisI need a little memory shake, I thought I had this in
my notes somewhere but can't find it. What year did
Thomas move from Brunswick to Screven/Burke Cos.,
Georgia? And also have a question about Francis #1, I
was going over all my notes and don't have a date of
birth of any of his children except Jane, born around
1630. So does anyone have a date of birth of John,
Francis, or Thomas? Francis #1
(father-Joshua/mother-Peachy) I have dob as around
1614,so the early 1630's would be the earliest he could
have children. So if this is correct, his son Thomas
would not have been old enough to be any ones factor in
1639, right? I have a 1639 reference to a Thomas
Poythres, a planter in Virginia. So what Thomas is
this? I'm sorry if this is something I have addressed
before,but not working on this for a few years has hurt
my memory. Sorry I'll get back in the swing of this
soon. Sometimes the more I look at this the more
confused I get

Thanks,
Teresa

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Re: Thomas Poythress...here is the record you asked for MaynardTeresa WillisThe following is a copy of the page from a book
titlted -The complete Book of Emigrants 1607-1660-
from the Brunswick library, maybe you know what the
(CSPC) at the end of the entry means, enlighten me if
you do.
1639 is at the top of the page with all these entries
below it. March 26 it the entry for Thomas Poythres.
Also on page 428 of the same book there is another
mention of Thomas Poythres this one being from the year
1659. It reads as follows: Ann Fuller of Sanford(sic),
Glos, bound to Thomas Poytres,merchant, to serve 5
years in Virginia.
So if you say that (Francis') Thomas was sent back to
England this is possibably the same Thomas mentioned
below, however one is listed as merchant one as
planter.I don't see any other Thomas on the Bolling
chart that fits this year. The copy of page203 of the
book follows:

1639 203
7 March -15 April. Edward Tinge, Daniell Butler and
Thomas Walmsley shippers of goods in the Jonathan, Mr.
John Whetstone, bound from London to New England with
planters and passengers. (PRO:El90/42/3 & 43/6).
8 March. Captain llichard Morrison petitions for
certain perquisites following his recent appointment as
commander of the fort at Point Comfort in place of
Captain Hook. (CSPC).
8 March. Elizabeth, wife of Charles Barcroft of Old
Ford, Middlesex, answers the Ecclesiastical
Commissioners. Her husband left his trade in London and
went to Virginia in August 1636 when his brother John
Barcroft died there in order to collect his debts. She
then went to live with her parents at Whitechapel but
had no unlawful familiarity with any lewd person.
(CSPC Add.i).
16 March. The King orders that no attempts are to be
made to allure inhabitants from St. Christopher's,
Barbados, Nevis, Montserrat or Antigua
which were granted to the late Earl of Carlisle. (CSPC)
23 March. Governor Harvey reports that goods and cattle
belonging to the
estate of Captain Samuel Matthews have been restored to
the agents of John Woodall of London, surgeon. (CSPC).
26 March. Governor Harvey has set up a commission
consisting of
John Chew, Thomas Stegg, Thomas Burbage and George
Ludlowe,merchants, to examine the complaint of Laurence
Evans, merchant, against abuses committed by his factor
Thomas Poythres,
a planter of Virginia.(CSPC).


27 March.On the petition of Kinborough, wife of
Captain Henry Hawley,

""
now in Barbados, that he may continue to enjoy his
estate there without empeachment, a warrant is granted
for him to go from plantation to plantation. (CSPC).
30 March -8 April. Passengers shipped from Southampton
in the Virgin of
I
BSouth] Hampton, Mr. John Weare, and John De La Hay,
merchant, for arbados:
Rob~ichaell Edmonds of Crawley, Hants, husbandman 57;
Jeremy dms~n of Singleton, Sussex, hoop maker 28; John
Vennell of the same,
COr WaIner 29; William Francis of Catherington, Hants,
serge weaver 25

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Mattie Raiford Poythress LineHope this finds all well. I was wondering, since so many of you are so
thorough with your research, do any of you have any information on Mattie
Raiford Poythress' mother? The reason I ask is, in the Poythess/Raiford
Bible, all it says is Sarah Raiford as her mother. It does not give her
maiden name. While at the reunion, I was looking at some old report cards of
Mattie's from Sumterville Female Academy. On the backs of some, it is
signed by Sallie Raiford and John G. Cook and on one it is signed by WR High
as Guardian. In a letter my Grandfather wrote to his niece Annie Shamburger,
he says his mother Mattie had a sister named Temple. There is a Temperance
Cook, who married W.R. High in the Bible. Does anyone know if Temperance is
Sarah's sister and who the John G. Cook is? And does anyone know if Sarah,
went by Sallie?

I know these are not direct Poythress questions but was hoping maybe someone
has information on my Great Grandmother's line, from doing research on the
Poythress'.

Any help with my Raiford Line, would be appreciated. If it would be better
to email me directly, instead of posting on the Poythress List, please do so.
I am not sure what the policy is, for posting other Surnames on this list
and I do not want to clutter it with information that is of no interest to
anyone but me.

Thanks,
Elaine
Denver145@aol.com		09/27/2002 9:14:08
Fw: (no subject)bpoythressThought the group might get a kick out of reading this message - forwarded to me by Elaine Hunter.

And Debbie Freeman and Maynard Poythress, ----
have any idea who the "Virginia" Poythress and "Mary" Poythress listed in Elaine's message are?

The Virginia cannot be "Virginia ("Virgin Flake") Poythress (b. 1852 & d. about 1915) who married John White Poythress in around 1882 as his 2nd wife. And I have no idea who this Mary is either. So what say you two on these? These two "sinful" gals/ladies may be of Debbie's and the Emanuel County, GA crowd that we don't know much about. What say you and Debbie on these two ladies?

I'll be out of town for the next 5 days starting tomorrow - at Atlantic City, NJ for one of my navy ship reunions......... but will be back late Friday, Oct. 4th. ........... Bud
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----- Original Message -----
From: GMPTT@aol.com
To: bpoythress@ec.rr.com
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 4:30 AM
Subject: (no subject)


Hello Bud,
I was searching the internet this morning & ran across this, from the Middleground Baptist Church Records of Screven County, GA.

Can you imagine what the reaction would be of the church elders if they came back & saw the mess we have going on now!

"Jan 1876 Called for the report on disorderly members Brother James COURSEY for using profane language, Daniel SHARPE for dancing, William HOUGH, for drunkeness, and susing profane language, Mary POYTHRESS dancing, Sister Palmer SMITH dancing, James USHER using profane language, Benjamin BROWN, using profane language, Ezekial COWART, drunkeness and dancing, Henry E. HUNTER, profa Feb 1877 Case of Virginia POYTHRESS for dancing. Oct 1877 Case of Sister Virginia POYTHRESS the church being informed of her death, her case was dismissed. Granted letter of dismission to Sister Susan MOCK.
Report against Sister Ella HODGES for dancing. May 1878 Church being informed that Sister Mary POYTHRESS had joined the Methodist Church she was expelled from this church. nce language.

Have a good day & a good laugh!!

Your MI cuz, Elaine		09/28/2002 3:30:09
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Date: Wed Sep 25 11:42:46 2002 (PDT)
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Thomas Poythress...here is the record
you asked for Maynard

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The following is a copy of
the page from a book
titlted -The complete Book of Emigrants 1607-1660-
from the Brunswick library, maybe you know what the
(CSPC) at the end of the entry means, enlighten me if
you do.
1639 is at the top of the page with all these entries
below it. March 26 it the entry for Thomas Poythres.
Also on page 428 of the same book there is another
mention of Thomas Poythres this one being from the year
1659. It reads as follows: Ann Fuller of Sanford(sic),
Glos, bound to Thomas Poytres,merchant, to serve 5
years in Virginia.
So if you say that (Francis') Thomas was sent back to
England this is possibably the same Thomas mentioned
below, however one is listed as merchant one as
planter.I don't see any other Thomas on the Bolling
chart that fits this year. The copy of page203 of the
book follows:

1639 203
7 March -15 April. Edward Tinge, Daniell Butler and
Thomas Walmsley shippers of goods in the Jonathan, Mr.
John Whetstone, bound from London to New England with
planters and passengers. (PRO:El90/42/3 & 43/6).
8 March. Captain llichard Morrison petitions for
certain perquisites following his recent appointment as
commander of the fort at Point Comfort in place of
Captain Hook. (CSPC).
8 March. Elizabeth, wife of Charles Barcroft of Old
Ford, Middlesex, answers the Ecclesiastical
Commissioners. Her husband left his trade in London and
went to Virginia in August 1636 when his brother John
Barcroft died there in order to collect his debts. She
then went to live with her parents at Whitechapel but
had no unlawful familiarity with any lewd person.
(CSPC Add.i).
16 March. The King orders that no attempts are to be
made to allure inhabitants from St. Christopher's,
Barbados, Nevis, Montserrat or Antigua
which were granted to the late Earl of Carlisle. (CSPC)
23 March. Governor Harvey reports that goods and cattle
belonging to the
estate of Captain Samuel Matthews have been restored to
the agents of John Woodall of London, surgeon. (CSPC).
26 March. Governor Harvey has set up a commission
consisting of
John Chew, Thomas Stegg, Thomas Burbage and George
Ludlowe,merchants, to examine the complaint of Laurence
Evans, merchant, against abuses committed by his factor
Thomas Poythres,
a planter of Virginia.(CSPC).


27 March.On the petition of Kinborough, wife of
Captain Henry Hawley,

""
now in Barbados, that he may continue to enjoy his
estate there without empeachment, a warrant is granted
for him to go from plantation to plantation. (CSPC).
30 March -8 April. Passengers shipped from Southampton
in the Virgin of
I
BSouth] Hampton, Mr. John Weare, and John De La Hay,
merchant, for arbados:
Rob~ichaell Edmonds of Crawley, Hants, husbandman 57;
Jeremy dms~n of Singleton, Sussex, hoop maker 28; John
Vennell of the same,
COr WaIner 29; William Francis of Catherington, Hants,
serge weaver 25





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http://www.elvis.com		09/28/2002 4:08:05
Two Thomas PoythressesTeresa, I should have left this one "on the board" rather than answering you
privately
(in order to get the attachments to you). You have gotten into an area
where others on the P list stand a better chance than I to answer your
questions. I'm reconstituting our thread below and my answer to your last
question (MSG # 4) is MSG # 5. Following is the start which is your MSG # 1.
Others on the board will recognize the attachments to which I refer in MSG #
2.

Need some comments here folks....please.


MSG. # 1 (to JMP)

I need a little memory shake, I thought I had this in
my notes somewhere but can't find it. What year did
Thomas move from Brunswick to Screven/Burke Cos.,
Georgia? And also have a question about Francis #1, I
was going over all my notes and don't have a date of
birth of any of his children except Jane, born around
1630. So does anyone have a date of birth of John,
Francis, or Thomas? Francis #1
(father-Joshua/mother-Peachy) I have dob as around
1614,so the early 1630's would be the earliest he could
have children. So if this is correct, his son Thomas
would not have been old enough to be any ones factor in
1639, right? I have a 1639 reference to a Thomas
Poythres, a planter in Virginia. So what Thomas is
this? I'm sorry if this is something I have addressed
before,but not working on this for a few years has hurt
my memory. Sorry I'll get back in the swing of this
soon. Sometimes the more I look at this the more
confused I get

Thanks,
Teresa

Msg. # 2

Hi, Teresa, I'm sending this to you directly because if I answered on the
Poythress Rootsweb wire I would not have been able to make the attachments,
one of which is my "time line" of Thomas Poythress. Based on this I would
make Thomas' arrival in Burke County 1787-88. Thomas, with sons George,
Edward and Thomas, Jr. settle in the part of Burke County that "remains"
Burke. Sons Meredith and William wind up in Screven County which is carved
out of Burke County in 1793. There is also a Francis in Hancock County in
this (attached) 1803 "proxy census" of Georgia. It is entirely possible that
one or more of these men could be nephews of Thomas, Sr. instead of sons.
However, Thomas, Jr. , George and Meredith are conclusively sons of Thomas
and wife Martha/Patsy.

Note that at one point there are two Thomas Poythresses in 18th century
Brunswick County and this would be consistent with Thomas Poythress, Sr.
taking his son (Jr.) with him to Burke County.

From the time line it also appears that Thomas either made trips back to VA
after establishing a home in Burke County or conceivably could have had
property transactions done by the court. It is more likely that he actually
made one or more trips himself. Based on this, it's entirely possible that
the Clary transaction would be made with either Thomas or Thomas Jr. The
Thomas of this deed (per Lyn) had a wife named Martha so Sr. is the likelier
choice. I would have only one puzzle with this one. In the deed Thomas is
BUYING. What would he be buying land in VA for if he was already living in
Georgia?

With respect to immigrant Francis' children, R. Bolling Batte (d. 1996), the
eminent VA genealogist who did so much work on this family, places the order
of Francis' children as 1) Jane 2) John 3) Thomas 4) Francis. I suspect this
is not carved in stone nor would I be inclined to think it's especially
important as the subsequent "life events" of any one of them don't seem to
have had any impact on any other of the others. It does seem likely that
Jane, however, is the first born. I have not found citations of actual dob's
for any of the four and I'm inclined to doubt that they exist.

Re: father/Joshua, mother/Peachy. I am still waiting for even a wisp of
documentation on this one. If you have any I would be most appreciative if
you would be willing to share it. If you don''t have any documentation, I am
inclined to believe this is one of those things that someone hangs on the
internet and so many, many people copy it that it takes on a life of its own.


I know of no reference to Poythresses in London (especially spelled with two
"s'es") this early other than the undocumented mention of Joshua that keeps
popping up. As for the "Peachy", this (as a surname) appears much later in
the Poythress line: the line of Joshua Poythress who bought Flowerdew Hundred
(1700's) and kept it in his family until the mid-20th century. The last with
a Poythress surname to run this plantation was Susanna Peachy Poythress (by
then they are spelling it with two "s'es"). (see FlowerdewHundred.org)

A much more plausable scenario to me would be the attached photocopy of the
Bishop's transept book entry of 1609 for St. Mary's Parish, Newent,
Gloustershire: "ffrauncis the sonne of John Poythres was baptised 12 July."
This would give a likely birth year of 1608-09 and would make appearing in VA
as a factor for a London merchant in 1632 entirely possible for Francis.
Samples of this Francis' handwriting in VA also support the spelling with one
"s."

Son Thomas went (or was sent) back to England. While we have a copy of this
"contract" for transport and care made with the ship's captain, I can't lay
my hands on it at the moment. There is a faint implication that Thomas
needed some degree of custodial care for the voyage and safe delivery in
England.

In any event, as you point out, this fellow could not possibly be the Thomas
Poythres you have as a Virginia planter in 1639. Would you mind sharing this
record with me?

Glad to see you getting back in to the swing of it.

Cheers, Teresa. I'll appreciate having your comments and/or corrections to
any of the above. We are all groping in the dark with the records of this
family.

John M.Poythress

MSG # 3

Subj: Re: Thomas Poythress...here is the record you asked for Maynard
Date: 9/25/2002 2:44:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: mama7x@elvis.com

To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

The following is a copy of the page from a book
titlted -The complete Book of Emigrants 1607-1660-
from the Brunswick library, maybe you know what the
(CSPC) at the end of the entry means, enlighten me if
you do.
1639 is at the top of the page with all these entries
below it. March 26 it the entry for Thomas Poythres.
Also on page 428 of the same book there is another
mention of Thomas Poythres this one being from the year
1659. It reads as follows: Ann Fuller of Sanford(sic),
Glos, bound to Thomas Poytres,merchant, to serve 5
years in Virginia.
So if you say that (Francis') Thomas was sent back to
England this is possibably the same Thomas mentioned
below, however one is listed as merchant one as
planter.I don't see any other Thomas on the Bolling
chart that fits this year. The copy of page203 of the
book follows:

1639 203
7 March -15 April. Edward Tinge, Daniell Butler and
Thomas Walmsley shippers of goods in the Jonathan, Mr.
John Whetstone, bound from London to New England with
planters and passengers. (PRO:El90/42/3 & 43/6).
8 March. Captain llichard Morrison petitions for
certain perquisites following his recent appointment as
commander of the fort at Point Comfort in place of
Captain Hook. (CSPC).
8 March. Elizabeth, wife of Charles Barcroft of Old
Ford, Middlesex, answers the Ecclesiastical
Commissioners. Her husband left his trade in London and
went to Virginia in August 1636 when his brother John
Barcroft died there in order to collect his debts. She
then went to live with her parents at Whitechapel but
had no unlawful familiarity with any lewd person.
(CSPC Add.i).
16 March. The King orders that no attempts are to be
made to allure inhabitants from St. Christopher's,
Barbados, Nevis, Montserrat or Antigua
which were granted to the late Earl of Carlisle. (CSPC)
23 March. Governor Harvey reports that goods and cattle
belonging to the
estate of Captain Samuel Matthews have been restored to
the agents of John Woodall of London, surgeon. (CSPC).
26 March. Governor Harvey has set up a commission
consisting of
John Chew, Thomas Stegg, Thomas Burbage and George
Ludlowe,merchants, to examine the complaint of Laurence
Evans, merchant, against abuses committed by his factor
Thomas Poythres,
a planter of Virginia.(CSPC).


27 March.On the petition of Kinborough, wife of
Captain Henry Hawley,

""
now in Barbados, that he may continue to enjoy his
estate there without empeachment, a warrant is granted
for him to go from plantation to plantation. (CSPC).
30 March -8 April. Passengers shipped from Southampton
in the Virgin of
I
BSouth] Hampton, Mr. John Weare, and John De La Hay,
merchant, for arbados:
Rob~ichaell Edmonds of Crawley, Hants, husbandman 57;
Jeremy dms~n of Singleton, Sussex, hoop maker 28; John
Vennell of the same,
COr WaIner 29; William Francis of Catherington, Hants,
serge weaver 25

MSG # 4

Subj: "Maynard's Thomas"
Date: 9/25/2002 8:21:58 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: mama7x@elvis.com


To: vkratliff@aol.com

Maynard,
I asked about Thomas moving date because of a land sale
in 1791. I have a sale from deed book 15 page 135
Brunswick Co. This is of interest to me because of this
parcel of land would be very close to where I live now
and where my Poythress families land was (in fact some
of my cousins still live on the land I am refering to)
so if this is your Thomas he purchased this after his
move to GA., which would leave the question of who he
purchased it for why did he buy it or that there was
another Thomas Poythress in Brunswick at this time.
Lyn do you have any documentation of when the land I
refer to as the rock here at Lake Gaston was purchased
by Poythress'? Did Willie T. buy this or was it given
to him my James David? This land purchares mentioned
below could very well include the parcel that Willie T
built his house on. What I'm trying to figure out is,
was this land purchased in 1791, still in the family in
the late 1800's. Or if it was sold and Willie T.
subsequently bought the same land. Of course it may not
include the land on pea hill creek,(of course there was
no lake then) but it sure sounds like it and if not it
had to be very close to it.
I just thought it was interesting, especially being
that the Thomas Clary mentioned here is also an
ancestor of mine, and part of this parcel is now owned
by my Clary family, in fact it very well could include
5 acrees that I own. Is there anyway I can figure this
out, by finding out if this is the same land and it was
handed down from this Thomas(?)to Lewis to Thomas M. to
James David to Willie T. The land I own has been handed
down since the early 1800's so I guess this is
possible. (REACHING FOR STRAWS)

This indenture made this 12th day of August 1791
between Thomas Clary of Brunswick county of the one
part and Thomas Poythress of the same county of the
other part...for and in consideration of the sum of
thirty seven pounds...doth bargain sale and confirm
unto the said Thomas Poythress...one certain tract or
parcel of land ...lying and being in the county
aforesaid and is bounded as follows to wit beginning at
Wesson corner white oak on Rattle Snake Creek the white
oak being down have made a corner of a hicory thence by
his line to a red oak on John Sewards line thence by
the said Sewards line to a corner sweet gum on the
----hill creek as aforesaid thence by the meanders of
the creek to the beginning...signed by Thos. Clary (his
mark) and Seally Clary (her mark). Brunswick County
Court September 26th 1791. This Indenture of Bargain
and sale was acknowledged by Thos. Clary party thereto
to be his act & deed & ordered to be recorded.

MSG # 5

Teresa..

For starters, we have recorded the Clary/Thomas Poythress deed (12 Aug 1791
Brunswick DB 15, p. 35), however I don't know any more about it.

Second, I don't know what "(CSPC)" stands for. Any help from the board on
this one and the one above, plus the one below?

Third, to the main issue, the question of "two" Thomases in mid-1600's:

I'm just going to take a stab at this one based on what I think is sound
conjecture.
(Obviously, the date of Thomas returning to England is material but I can't
locate that manifest/contract document).

First, "your" Thomas of a 1791 deed is perhaps (even likely) a descendent of
Thomas Poythres (1) but in 1791 we're now talking probably 125 years after
for the issue you raise of "two Thomases" in 17th century so ONLY for
purposes of this "two Thomas" inquiry he is irrelevent.

Now, to proceed to the two Thomases:

1) I'm going to make Thomas Poythress, merchant and the 1659 indenture holder
of Ann Fuller to be the son of Francis Poythres the immigrant. This would be
disproven if it turns out Thomas was sent back to England prior to that date
and then proven that he did not return. That's why the date of that contract
with the ship captain is important.

2) Obviously, Thomas of 1639 can't be both the son of Francis (1) and
simultaneouly a planter of Virginia and a factor of Laurence Evans, merchant.
I propose this as an error in recording. I pose that THIS Thomas is in
reality Francis (1) himself, who, by 1639 had acquired land and become a
"planter".

There is exhaustive evidence of a suit brought by the same Laurence Evans,
merchant of London against Francis (1) about 1633 when Francis first arrived
in Virginia. I am saying it is virtually open and shut that Laurence Evans
the London merchant would NOT now be suing for the same case a male who would
almost surely be the pre-teen son of Francis Poythres...or, for that matter.
sueing any other Thomas Poythress IN THIS CASE in the unlikely event there
should be an extra one around.

Comments?

Maynard		09/28/2002 7:20:15
)Re: Two Thomas PoythressesbpoythressMaynard --- "ALL" the dates shown below for dob's & dod's were given us by
Martha (? what's her name, can't think of it off hand) of in Charlotte, NC.
And we bought into her info felling it was most likely correct. She listed
the clan included and moving from VA to GA as listed below in 1786 --
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



#1-Thomas James POYTHRESS,

b. ca 1735 in Dinwiddie County, VA & d. 1800 in Burke County, GA; (Burial
location unknown) Married: (ca 1758) Martha (Patsey - ?), b.? & d.?





Children:

1) Meredith (Sr) P. (b. 1760 - Mecklenburg Co., VA. & d. 1839 in
Burke Co., GA); m. 1781 Edith Cleaton (sometimes shown as Cleton).

2) George P. (b. 1765 - VA; d. - ca 1829 in FL); m. (1st) 1795 Hariett
Carter of Burke Co., GA.; m. (2nd) Mary Turner Lawson.

3) Thomas James P., Jr. (b. ca 1767 VA; d. before 1803 (or moved away -
no record.

4) Edward P. b. 1769 - VA; d. ? - believed to have moved to Elbert
City and then on to Alabama).

5) Lewis P. (b. 1771, VA & d. -?-) - m. Elizabeth (Patsey) Giles

*6) Martha Elizabeth Amanda P. (b. 1/26/1798; d. 10/5/1861 Burke Co., GA
w/o Of Laban Odum; buried Bethany Methodist Cemetery, Girard, GA); m. (1st)
1804 (would have been very young to have married)to John Dixon of
Waynesboro, GA, (& had 4 children); m. (2nd) 1816 to Laban Odum of
Waynesboro, GA, (& also had 4 children).



Notes: We do not know for certain the parents of 'our' Thomas but
chances now appear that a good "guess" might be - his father was either
Joshua or John Poythress.

Comparing the birth years of son Lewis (b. 1771) (Thomas and Martha's
youngest son, with daughter MEAP's (1798), it seems most likely she is a
daughter of Thomas James P. Jr. rather than his little sister! But, in any
event the 4 children of MEAP and her 1st husband John Dixon were: Robert
John Dixon; Thomas James D; Harriet D.; and William D.; and the 4 children
of MEAP and her 2nd husband Lavan Odum were: Beverly Randal Odum; Jane
Elizabeth O.; James Poythress O.; and Lavan Odum, Jr. (b.1/22/1790 & d.
6/1/1860 - buried Bethany Methodist Cemetery, Girard, GA

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Note: Thomas James(?) Poythress (Sr) came from Brunswich/Dinwiddie County,
VA to GA and settled in Burke County (ca) 1786, and brought along with him
most of his immediate family; a brother, William Poythress and a 'cousin or
nephew', Francis Poythress.


2) Brother William Poythress (b. 1745 VA; d. 1827 Burke Co., GA); married
1st -?- unknown) but they had at least "3 daughters (names also unknown)"
and one son, named James Poythress b. 1791 in GA;



3) Son Lewis Poythress was the only son to have remained/stayed in VA. (My
note: - The '2' Barbara's (Neal & Wolfe) are both connected to this Lewis VA
line... Bud!)



4) George Poythress m. 1st Harriett Carter {b. 1777; d. 12/24/1818 in
Savannah} and was buried in the typhus section of Colonial Cemetery in
Savannah. They had "1" son, John Carter Poythress, then George P. m. 2nd
Mary Turner Lawson; they too had only "1" child, a daughter, Mary Elizabeth
Poythress. George P. was a Captain, later Major and served in the Georgia
Militia, Burke Co.



*5) There is a question as to whether Martha Elizabeth Amanda Poythress
(MEAP) is in fact the daughter of Thomas James P. (Sr), considering the time
and age spread between



Note: Thomas James(?) Poythress (Sr) came from Brunswich/Dinwiddie County,
VA to GA and settled in Burke County (ca) 1786, and brought along with him
most of hisimmediate family; a brother, William Poythress and a 'cousin or
nephew', Francis Poythress.





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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:20 PM
Subject: Two Thomas Poythresses


> Teresa, I should have left this one "on the board" rather than answering
you
> privately
> (in order to get the attachments to you). You have gotten into an area
> where others on the P list stand a better chance than I to answer your
> questions. I'm reconstituting our thread below and my answer to your last
> question (MSG # 4) is MSG # 5. Following is the start which is your MSG #
1.
> Others on the board will recognize the attachments to which I refer in
MSG #
> 2.
>
> Need some comments here folks....please.
>
>
> MSG. # 1 (to JMP)
>
> I need a little memory shake, I thought I had this in
> my notes somewhere but can't find it. What year did
> Thomas move from Brunswick to Screven/Burke Cos.,
> Georgia? And also have a question about Francis #1, I
> was going over all my notes and don't have a date of
> birth of any of his children except Jane, born around
> 1630. So does anyone have a date of birth of John,
> Francis, or Thomas? Francis #1
> (father-Joshua/mother-Peachy) I have dob as around
> 1614,so the early 1630's would be the earliest he could
> have children. So if this is correct, his son Thomas
> would not have been old enough to be any ones factor in
> 1639, right? I have a 1639 reference to a Thomas
> Poythres, a planter in Virginia. So what Thomas is
> this? I'm sorry if this is something I have addressed
> before,but not working on this for a few years has hurt
> my memory. Sorry I'll get back in the swing of this
> soon. Sometimes the more I look at this the more
> confused I get
>
> Thanks,
> Teresa
>
> Msg. # 2
>
> Hi, Teresa, I'm sending this to you directly because if I answered on the
> Poythress Rootsweb wire I would not have been able to make the
attachments,
> one of which is my "time line" of Thomas Poythress. Based on this I would
> make Thomas' arrival in Burke County 1787-88. Thomas, with sons George,
> Edward and Thomas, Jr. settle in the part of Burke County that "remains"
> Burke. Sons Meredith and William wind up in Screven County which is
carved
> out of Burke County in 1793. There is also a Francis in Hancock County in
> this (attached) 1803 "proxy census" of Georgia. It is entirely possible
that
> one or more of these men could be nephews of Thomas, Sr. instead of sons.
> However, Thomas, Jr. , George and Meredith are conclusively sons of Thomas
> and wife Martha/Patsy.
>
> Note that at one point there are two Thomas Poythresses in 18th century
> Brunswick County and this would be consistent with Thomas Poythress, Sr.
> taking his son (Jr.) with him to Burke County.
>
> From the time line it also appears that Thomas either made trips back to
VA
> after establishing a home in Burke County or conceivably could have had
> property transactions done by the court. It is more likely that he
actually
> made one or more trips himself. Based on this, it's entirely possible
that
> the Clary transaction would be made with either Thomas or Thomas Jr. The
> Thomas of this deed (per Lyn) had a wife named Martha so Sr. is the
likelier
> choice. I would have only one puzzle with this one. In the deed Thomas
is
> BUYING. What would he be buying land in VA for if he was already living
in
> Georgia?
>
> With respect to immigrant Francis' children, R. Bolling Batte (d. 1996),
the
> eminent VA genealogist who did so much work on this family, places the
order
> of Francis' children as 1) Jane 2) John 3) Thomas 4) Francis. I suspect
this
> is not carved in stone nor would I be inclined to think it's especially
> important as the subsequent "life events" of any one of them don't seem to
> have had any impact on any other of the others. It does seem likely that
> Jane, however, is the first born. I have not found citations of actual
dob's
> for any of the four and I'm inclined to doubt that they exist.
>
> Re: father/Joshua, mother/Peachy. I am still waiting for even a wisp of
> documentation on this one. If you have any I would be most appreciative
if
> you would be willing to share it. If you don''t have any documentation, I
am
> inclined to believe this is one of those things that someone hangs on the
> internet and so many, many people copy it that it takes on a life of its
own.
>
>
> I know of no reference to Poythresses in London (especially spelled with
two
> "s'es") this early other than the undocumented mention of Joshua that
keeps
> popping up. As for the "Peachy", this (as a surname) appears much later
in
> the Poythress line: the line of Joshua Poythress who bought Flowerdew
Hundred
> (1700's) and kept it in his family until the mid-20th century. The last
with
> a Poythress surname to run this plantation was Susanna Peachy Poythress
(by
> then they are spelling it with two "s'es"). (see FlowerdewHundred.org)
>
> A much more plausable scenario to me would be the attached photocopy of
the
> Bishop's transept book entry of 1609 for St. Mary's Parish, Newent,
> Gloustershire: "ffrauncis the sonne of John Poythres was baptised 12
July."
> This would give a likely birth year of 1608-09 and would make appearing in
VA
> as a factor for a London merchant in 1632 entirely possible for Francis.
> Samples of this Francis' handwriting in VA also support the spelling with
one
> "s."
>
> Son Thomas went (or was sent) back to England. While we have a copy of
this
> "contract" for transport and care made with the ship's captain, I can't
lay
> my hands on it at the moment. There is a faint implication that Thomas
> needed some degree of custodial care for the voyage and safe delivery in
> England.
>
> In any event, as you point out, this fellow could not possibly be the
Thomas
> Poythres you have as a Virginia planter in 1639. Would you mind sharing
this
> record with me?
>
> Glad to see you getting back in to the swing of it.
>
> Cheers, Teresa. I'll appreciate having your comments and/or corrections
to
> any of the above. We are all groping in the dark with the records of this
> family.
>
> John M.Poythress
>
> MSG # 3
>
> Subj: Re: Thomas Poythress...here is the record you asked for Maynard
> Date: 9/25/2002 2:44:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
> From: mama7x@elvis.com
>
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>
> The following is a copy of the page from a book
> titlted -The complete Book of Emigrants 1607-1660-
> from the Brunswick library, maybe you know what the
> (CSPC) at the end of the entry means, enlighten me if
> you do.
> 1639 is at the top of the page with all these entries
> below it. March 26 it the entry for Thomas Poythres.
> Also on page 428 of the same book there is another
> mention of Thomas Poythres this one being from the year
> 1659. It reads as follows: Ann Fuller of Sanford(sic),
> Glos, bound to Thomas Poytres,merchant, to serve 5
> years in Virginia.
> So if you say that (Francis') Thomas was sent back to
> England this is possibably the same Thomas mentioned
> below, however one is listed as merchant one as
> planter.I don't see any other Thomas on the Bolling
> chart that fits this year. The copy of page203 of the
> book follows:
>
> 1639 203
> 7 March -15 April. Edward Tinge, Daniell Butler and
> Thomas Walmsley shippers of goods in the Jonathan, Mr.
> John Whetstone, bound from London to New England with
> planters and passengers. (PRO:El90/42/3 & 43/6).
> 8 March. Captain llichard Morrison petitions for
> certain perquisites following his recent appointment as
> commander of the fort at Point Comfort in place of
> Captain Hook. (CSPC).
> 8 March. Elizabeth, wife of Charles Barcroft of Old
> Ford, Middlesex, answers the Ecclesiastical
> Commissioners. Her husband left his trade in London and
> went to Virginia in August 1636 when his brother John
> Barcroft died there in order to collect his debts. She
> then went to live with her parents at Whitechapel but
> had no unlawful familiarity with any lewd person.
> (CSPC Add.i).
> 16 March. The King orders that no attempts are to be
> made to allure inhabitants from St. Christopher's,
> Barbados, Nevis, Montserrat or Antigua
> which were granted to the late Earl of Carlisle. (CSPC)
> 23 March. Governor Harvey reports that goods and cattle
> belonging to the
> estate of Captain Samuel Matthews have been restored to
> the agents of John Woodall of London, surgeon. (CSPC).
> 26 March. Governor Harvey has set up a commission
> consisting of
> John Chew, Thomas Stegg, Thomas Burbage and George
> Ludlowe,merchants, to examine the complaint of Laurence
> Evans, merchant, against abuses committed by his factor
> Thomas Poythres,
> a planter of Virginia.(CSPC).
>
>
> 27 March.On the petition of Kinborough, wife of
> Captain Henry Hawley,
>
> ""
> now in Barbados, that he may continue to enjoy his
> estate there without empeachment, a warrant is granted
> for him to go from plantation to plantation. (CSPC).
> 30 March -8 April. Passengers shipped from Southampton
> in the Virgin of
> I
> BSouth] Hampton, Mr. John Weare, and John De La Hay,
> merchant, for arbados:
> Rob~ichaell Edmonds of Crawley, Hants, husbandman 57;
> Jeremy dms~n of Singleton, Sussex, hoop maker 28; John
> Vennell of the same,
> COr WaIner 29; William Francis of Catherington, Hants,
> serge weaver 25
>
> MSG # 4
>
> Subj: "Maynard's Thomas"
> Date: 9/25/2002 8:21:58 PM Eastern Standard Time
> From: mama7x@elvis.com
>
>
> To: vkratliff@aol.com
>
> Maynard,
> I asked about Thomas moving date because of a land sale
> in 1791. I have a sale from deed book 15 page 135
> Brunswick Co. This is of interest to me because of this
> parcel of land would be very close to where I live now
> and where my Poythress families land was (in fact some
> of my cousins still live on the land I am refering to)
> so if this is your Thomas he purchased this after his
> move to GA., which would leave the question of who he
> purchased it for why did he buy it or that there was
> another Thomas Poythress in Brunswick at this time.
> Lyn do you have any documentation of when the land I
> refer to as the rock here at Lake Gaston was purchased
> by Poythress'? Did Willie T. buy this or was it given
> to him my James David? This land purchares mentioned
> below could very well include the parcel that Willie T
> built his house on. What I'm trying to figure out is,
> was this land purchased in 1791, still in the family in
> the late 1800's. Or if it was sold and Willie T.
> subsequently bought the same land. Of course it may not
> include the land on pea hill creek,(of course there was
> no lake then) but it sure sounds like it and if not it
> had to be very close to it.
> I just thought it was interesting, especially being
> that the Thomas Clary mentioned here is also an
> ancestor of mine, and part of this parcel is now owned
> by my Clary family, in fact it very well could include
> 5 acrees that I own. Is there anyway I can figure this
> out, by finding out if this is the same land and it was
> handed down from this Thomas(?)to Lewis to Thomas M. to
> James David to Willie T. The land I own has been handed
> down since the early 1800's so I guess this is
> possible. (REACHING FOR STRAWS)
>
> This indenture made this 12th day of August 1791
> between Thomas Clary of Brunswick county of the one
> part and Thomas Poythress of the same county of the
> other part...for and in consideration of the sum of
> thirty seven pounds...doth bargain sale and confirm
> unto the said Thomas Poythress...one certain tract or
> parcel of land ...lying and being in the county
> aforesaid and is bounded as follows to wit beginning at
> Wesson corner white oak on Rattle Snake Creek the white
> oak being down have made a corner of a hicory thence by
> his line to a red oak on John Sewards line thence by
> the said Sewards line to a corner sweet gum on the
> ----hill creek as aforesaid thence by the meanders of
> the creek to the beginning...signed by Thos. Clary (his
> mark) and Seally Clary (her mark). Brunswick County
> Court September 26th 1791. This Indenture of Bargain
> and sale was acknowledged by Thos. Clary party thereto
> to be his act & deed & ordered to be recorded.
>
> MSG # 5
>
> Teresa..
>
> For starters, we have recorded the Clary/Thomas Poythress deed (12 Aug
1791
> Brunswick DB 15, p. 35), however I don't know any more about it.
>
> Second, I don't know what "(CSPC)" stands for. Any help from the board on
> this one and the one above, plus the one below?
>
> Third, to the main issue, the question of "two" Thomases in mid-1600's:
>
> I'm just going to take a stab at this one based on what I think is sound
> conjecture.
> (Obviously, the date of Thomas returning to England is material but I
can't
> locate that manifest/contract document).
>
> First, "your" Thomas of a 1791 deed is perhaps (even likely) a descendent
of
> Thomas Poythres (1) but in 1791 we're now talking probably 125 years after
> for the issue you raise of "two Thomases" in 17th century so ONLY for
> purposes of this "two Thomas" inquiry he is irrelevent.
>
> Now, to proceed to the two Thomases:
>
> 1) I'm going to make Thomas Poythress, merchant and the 1659 indenture
holder
> of Ann Fuller to be the son of Francis Poythres the immigrant. This would
be
> disproven if it turns out Thomas was sent back to England prior to that
date
> and then proven that he did not return. That's why the date of that
contract
> with the ship captain is important.
>
> 2) Obviously, Thomas of 1639 can't be both the son of Francis (1) and
> simultaneouly a planter of Virginia and a factor of Laurence Evans,
merchant.
> I propose this as an error in recording. I pose that THIS Thomas is in
> reality Francis (1) himself, who, by 1639 had acquired land and become a
> "planter".
>
> There is exhaustive evidence of a suit brought by the same Laurence Evans,
> merchant of London against Francis (1) about 1633 when Francis first
arrived
> in Virginia. I am saying it is virtually open and shut that Laurence
Evans
> the London merchant would NOT now be suing for the same case a male who
would
> almost surely be the pre-teen son of Francis Poythres...or, for that
matter.
> sueing any other Thomas Poythress IN THIS CASE in the unlikely event there
> should be an extra one around.
>
> Comments?
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Geneaology Research Web
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
>		09/28/2002 8:10:09
Re: McBride Church CemeteryHorace Cullen & Flossie Wells are "live" on webpage with first 5 children.

I posted online the cemetery and gravestones of John Maner Poythress and
Rhoda
Gross (parents of above) when Bud and I uncovered that cemetery about a mile
or so from McBride Church.

I have photos of tombstones of Horace and Flossie buried at McBride Church
but didn't particularly consider them remarkable. You want 'em?

Maynard		09/28/2002 9:35:51
Delia Poythress 1870 Census - NCDoes anyone know who these Poythress' are? I found them in 1870 census
images for Warren County, North Carolina. On Ancestry.com images - Image
360
Page 4

26 26 Poythrefs,? Delia age 63 F M Farmer $300 VA Can't Read
Can't Write
Sarah 45 F W Keeps House VA
Lucie 16 F W At home VA
Alice 12 F W Attending Sch. VA

Take care,
Elaine		09/29/2002 7:54:37
Re: Delia Poythress 1870 Census - NCAKA "Delsy"?.....with roughly the same specs.I know someone on the board was
looking for this lady, Elaine; maybe they'll answer the call.

Maynard



09/29/2002 10:30:25
Muir MurderBelow courtesy of Diana. Fascinating.


Subj: The Muir Murder reenacted
Date: 9/29/2002 11:23:19 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: DiamondDPC@erols.com
To: VKRatliff@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)



http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=5533881&BRD=2271&PAG=461&
dept_id=462946&rfi=6


Interesting. For Muir's pedigree
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=va_families&
id=I0786

William Dandridge is some kind of cousin.

Diana		09/30/2002 8:09:56
Thomas PoythressHere is the record in question:

1659

Transportation of Thomas Poythress

Volume II, Charles City County Court Orders, 1658-1661: Page 213

These presents oblige me Arthur Graunt to Carry Thomas Poythres in my ship
this yeare for England and at his arrivall there in case mr. George Laud
shall not accomodate him w'th Dyett and lodging, I do hereby oblige my selfe
to do it untill the retorne of the next shipping to this Countrey of
Virginia, w'ch I am to do gratis w'thout expecting any pay, and the next
yeare to bring him into this Countrey againe he paying for his passage inward
as others doe. To the performance whereof I bind me my heires ex'rs and
adm'rs and In testimony thereof have hereunto put my hand this 30th of
November 1659.

Wit: Arthur Graunt

John Stith

Thomas Malory rec 10'br 3.59 (sic)

I remain convinced that the adult Thomas Poythres in 1639 called "planter" is
an entry in error and the real individual is Francis (1) Poythress himself.

I think the Thomas described above is the "only" Thomas of his time frame and
the son of Francis Poythres. I don't quite get the hang of this document.
Apparently, the ship's master is to keep up Thomas if George Laud won't do
so. He is to keep Thomas up until.....well, I just get lost. Could we
speculate that he was going over to pick up the indentured Ann Fuller? Help.

Maynard		10/01/2002 10:46:25
1870 Warren County NC Census - Chas PoythressI do not know if this has been posted before, so I will post it.

Census Images - Ancestry.com

1870 Warren County, NC - Nutbush Township - Manson Post Office Page 4


Line age Dry
Good Retail Val. Per. Est.
23 35 35 Poythress, Chas E.? 20 M W Merchant
1600
24 Dortch, Oliver 26 M W Clerk Dry
Goods Male US Citz.

Store 21 yr. of age

I did not find David in Warren County. Does anyone know if he left that
county for a while and then came back before he died in 1876?

Take care,
Elaine		10/01/2002 11:40:23
David Poythress 1860 Warren County, NC CensusThis is my response to an email from BPW, in regards to David Poythress
being in the 1860 Warren County, NC Census and me not being able to find him
in the 1870 Census.

I found David in the 1860 Census Warren County, NC Warrenton PO, that is why
it seems strange not to find him in the 1870 Census, especially since he died
and his estate was settled in Warren County.

I will post this to the list in case others haven't seen it either. At least
let me say I am going to try and post it. For 2 days everytime I try and
post something to the list I get terminated from the list and have to
resubscribe. It says I bounced. Whatever that means. It happened yesterday
and today.

Line 27 HH 425 Page 56
D. Poythrefs age 53 M
Overseer $3000 Value of Personal Estate
b. Mecklenburg, VA person over 20 cannot read & write

Line 28 S.R. Poythrefs age 40 F. Mecklenburg, VA
Line 29 G.W Poythrefs age 19 M. Mecklenburg, VA
Line 30 C. D.Poythrefs age 11 M. Mecklenburg, VA
Line 31 L. M.Poythrefs age 7 F Mecklenburg, VA
Line 32 A.M. Poythrefs age 4 F Mecklenburg, VA

Ok, I hope this works.

Elaine		10/02/2002 8:00:59
Question for James Speed Poythress LineI have been going over the Marriage Records of Lauderdale County, MS
Poythress'. I want to make sure I have the correct information before I put
them in my Book.

1. Martha Poythress married George E. Thompson 1928 - Is she the daughter of
Charles W. Poythress or someone else?

2. R. L. Poythress married Florence Hawkins 1924 - Is this Robert L.
Poythress Sr. or Jr. of neither?

As always everyones help is appreciated.

Take care,
Elaine		10/02/2002 10:15:52
Bouncing & terminating from the ListCharles NealThe list terminating you like that may mean that you should update your
virus protection. Just a hunch
BPN



10/03/2002 7:49:45
Re: David Poythress 1860 Warren County, NC CensusShe is Alice M. Poythress, daughter of David Poythress and Sally Dortch.
Alice married John R. Twisdale in December of 1876.

Elaine		10/03/2002 12:32:40
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E-mail headers: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/listadmins/headersfull.html		10/04/2002 10:21:13
Jane POYTHRESS 1610 VA.TNJCMy 11 th generation grandmother was a Jane Poythress b:1610 Jamestown,VA.I'd appreciate any help anyone can give on her family line. I just made this connection resently,so I don't have much on her family. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks,Nancy Hernandez10/05/2002 9:25:12
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10/06/2002 4:42:57
Ignore Message!!Testing for Maynard- We BounceHi Maynard



10/06/2002 6:08:44
Off the airBe out of circulation Wednesday and a few days following. Having a little
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Sounds grim but I am told it's about 5% more complicated than getting one's
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Maynard		10/06/2002 10:46:16
Re: Bugbear virusMaynard and all,

Received what appeared to be a misdirected e-mail this morning and found the
Bugbear as a "2000 Tax" attachment. It was exactly 50,688 bytes long.

Many thanks Maynard for the heads up.

Barbara (BPW)		10/07/2002 5:52:54
Re: Question for James Speed Poythress LineThat helps alot. Thank you for your reply. With so many Martha, Mary's,
Sallie's, James, Roberts, etc., it is so hard to figure out who is who.

It looks like we are cousins. I am a descendant of the James Speed Poythress
line. My Grandfather was Carl Hutton Poythress.

Take care,
Elaine



10/07/2002 6:49:14
RE: Question For James Speed Poythress Line (Complete Message)I did not enclude this part with the last email, thanking for the
information, so here is the entire, jist of it. I hope this works, do not
do so well with the coping and pasting stuff. Sorry for my oversight.
Elaine


Regarding your recent questions concerning the Marriage Records of
Lauderdale County,MS Poythress', the Martha Poythress referencd in Q1 was
Martha Corbitt Poythress, the first wife of my father, John Wallace
Poythress, second son of Robert Lee Poythress Sr. They had one son,
Robert(known through life as Bobby)and were divorced in 1927. Bobby was
adopted by George E. Thompson sometimes later and now lives just north of
Koscuisko, MS. My mother, Mary Estelle Brett, and father were married
January 19,1929. She was 13 and he was 28.

The R.L.Poythress referenced in Q2 was Robert Lee Poythress Jr, first son of
Sr. Florence Hawkins was one of his five or six wives, but I can't recall
where whe fell in the list. She had to be early on in the list, because I
remember the last three. I do know that they had no children.

Hope this helps. I am away from home a lot for extended periods and do not
get to spend much time on this computer. I seem to remember some earlier
querys you had regarding the JSP line.
If you will email your address and telephone number, I will call you
sometimes and we can explore all of it in some detail. I am not sure just
where you fit in the JSP line, but I do remember that your grandfather, Carl
Hutton Poythress (my great uncle), was one of my favorites in the old family
when I was growing up on Southside in Meridian. My mom and dad bought the
house I grew up in at 2650 St. Luke Street in Meridian from Uncle Carl for
$800. I still have the original deed and would be happy to give you a copy
if you would like that.

Best regards and let me hear from you. By the way, someday I'll go around
and take photos of all the Poythress gravesites I can locate and send you
copies. Over the Internet if I can figure out how to do it!

-----Original Message-----
From: Denver145@aol.com [mailto:Denver145@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 3:16 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Question for James Speed Poythress Line


I have been going over the Marriage Records of Lauderdale County, MS
Poythress'. I want to make sure I have the correct information before I put
them in my Book.

1. Martha Poythress married George E. Thompson 1928 - Is she the daughter
of
Charles W. Poythress or someone else?

2. R. L. Poythress married Florence Hawkins 1924 - Is this Robert L.
Poythress Sr. or Jr. of neither?

As always everyones help is appreciated.

Take care,
Elaine		10/07/2002 8:19:43
RE: Question For James Speed Poythress Line (Complete Text)Hello, you are correct. The Carl Poythess in this message is Carl Hutton
Poythress, youngest child of James Speed Poythress and Martha (Mattie)
Raiford. Carl was my Grandfather. His youngest child David Franklin
Poythress is my father. It is wonderful to hear from other descendants of
this line. I am posting this to the Poythress-L@rootsweb.com. There are
many others interested in information on this line. We would all be very
grateful for any information you care to add regarding your direct line, or
information you have on any Poythress for that matter. You may have
information that other researchers are looking for. I received an email from
another of this line today. Joe is of the Robert Lee Poythress Sr. line. It
would be GREAT if in the future you and Joe would post your information
directly to the Poythrss-L list, that way everyone can benefit from all
available information. There are some wonderful Poythress' who are members
of the list and they may have answers to questions you may have. Personal
info such a address, phone, birth dates etc. of living people should be sent
directly to the member you want to have it, instead of the list. Anyone on
this planet, has access to the list, so you do have to be careful.

Well, I hope we hear from you soon, regarding your Poythress history.

Take care,
Elaine


Your information, concerning Carl Poythress of Meridian, Mississippi, could
be the same Carl Poythress, son of James And Mattie Poythress. James and
Mattie had 8 living children in 1906 - Charles (my grandfather), James,
Robert, Mary, Richard, John Sallie, Bryant and Carl. My father was James E.
Poythress, his older sister Martha Louise ( married name), and older brother
Charles Asa were all from Meridian.

My sister Janice Clark is the resident expert in our family history. I have
forwarded this E-mail to her and encouraged her to add to your Poythress
data base.

James H. Poythress
Amaximis Lending, L.P.
3584 South Hills Avenue
Fort Worth, TX 76109
(817) 252-3108 FAX (817) 252-3004
E-mail: jpoythress@amaximis.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Denver145@aol.com [mailto:Denver145@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:20 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Question For James Speed Poythress Line (Complete
Message)

I did not enclude this part with the last email, thanking for the
information, so here is the entire, jist of it. I hope this works, do not
do so well with the coping and pasting stuff. Sorry for my oversight.
Elaine


Regarding your recent questions concerning the Marriage Records of
Lauderdale County,MS Poythress', the Martha Poythress referencd in Q1 was
Martha Corbitt Poythress, the first wife of my father, John Wallace
Poythress, second son of Robert Lee Poythress Sr. They had one son,
Robert(known through life as Bobby)and were divorced in 1927. Bobby was
adopted by George E. Thompson sometimes later and now lives just north of
Koscuisko, MS. My mother, Mary Estelle Brett, and father were married
January 19,1929. She was 13 and he was 28.

The R.L.Poythress referenced in Q2 was Robert Lee Poythress Jr, first son of
Sr. Florence Hawkins was one of his five or six wives, but I can't recall
where whe fell in the list. She had to be early on in the list, because I
remember the last three. I do know that they had no children.

Hope this helps. I am away from home a lot for extended periods and do not
get to spend much time on this computer. I seem to remember some earlier
querys you had regarding the JSP line.
If you will email your address and telephone number, I will call you
sometimes and we can explore all of it in some detail. I am not sure just
where you fit in the JSP line, but I do remember that your grandfather, Carl
Hutton Poythress (my great uncle), was one of my favorites in the old family
when I was growing up on Southside in Meridian. My mom and dad bought the
house I grew up in at 2650 St. Luke Street in Meridian from Uncle Carl for
$800. I still have the original deed and would be happy to give you a copy
if you would like that.

Best regards and let me hear from you. By the way, someday I'll go around
and take photos of all the Poythress gravesites I can locate and send you
copies. Over the Internet if I can figure out how to do it!

-----Original Message-----
From: Denver145@aol.com [mailto:Denver145@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 3:16 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Question for James Speed Poythress Line


I have been going over the Marriage Records of Lauderdale County, MS
Poythress'. I want to make sure I have the correct information before I put
them in my Book.

1. Martha Poythress married George E. Thompson 1928 - Is she the daughter
of
Charles W. Poythress or someone else?

2. R. L. Poythress married Florence Hawkins 1924 - Is this Robert L.
Poythress Sr. or Jr. of neither?

As always everyones help is appreciated.

Take care,
Elaine		10/07/2002 9:21:06
Important to read re updating your protection against latest virusesCharles NealJean, here is a good recap re how to spot one of the newest viruses, and re
the necessity of not only updating virus protection but also patching
Internet Explorer if you use it ( & how to set your Outlook or your Outlook
Express if you use either of those).
Barbara
= = = = =

Be Careful Out There. The Bugbear is no teddy bear. It is an e-mail worm
containing backdoor components that can allow an infected system to be
remotely compromised; it also includes the ability to kill antivirus and
firewall software, leaving infected systems wide open to further attacks
and lulling you into a false sense of security thinking your system is
virus-free. Genealogists have much more interesting things to do than deal
with an Internet worm with a Trojan horse, but such is life online.

Bugbear, which hit Great Britain and Australia users first on Monday,
September 30, according to news reports, is also known as Tanatos. It
arrives via e-mail with no distinct characteristics except that the
attached file is always 50,688 bytes long. The subject line and text are
stolen from existing e-mail it finds on an infected machine. Many RootsWeb
users are expressing concerns about this latest varmint because unless you
pay extra-careful attention you might think an e-mail with the attached
Bugbear worm is coming from a trusted genealogy friend, family member, or
from your favorite Mailing List.

RootsWeb's Mailing Lists do not allow any attachments, but that doesn't
mean you won't receive something that will fool you into thinking the
message is from a RootsWeb Mailing List. This is one clever worm. There are
confirmed reports of Bugbear even forging some prepends commonly used on
many of our Mailing Lists. If you receive e-mail with an attachment that
appears to be from say [SURNAME-L] and you are not subscribed to that
Mailing List, that is a good indication that it is a message with the
Bugbear worm attached. Even if you are subscribed to a certain list and
there is an attachment, do not open it.

Many of us are still fighting off the Klez worm, which steals and forges
our e-mail addresses and subject lines, and now along comes Bugbear and the
Opaserv worms. The latter is a network worm that was discovered September
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Martha Poythress & Geo E Thompson 1928 marriage?Charles NealPerhaps it came over the List & I just missed it, but I'd appreciate
learning if there was any response to Elaine's first question below.
Thanks,
BPN
= = = = = =

From: Denver145@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:15:52 EDT
Subject: Question for James Speed Poythress Line
To: Poythress-L@rootsweb.com

I have been going over the Marriage Records of Lauderdale County, MS
Poythress'. I want to make sure I have the correct information before I
put them in my Book.

1. Martha Poythress married George E. Thompson 1928 - Is she the daughter
of Charles W. Poythress or someone else?

2. R. L. Poythress married Florence Hawkins 1924 - Is this Robert L.
Poythress Sr. or Jr. or neither?

As always everyones help is appreciated.

Take care,
Elaine		10/08/2002 6:37:56
Florence Hawkins & R L Poythress marriage 1924Charles NealIn response to Elaine's 2nd question below, my understanding is that this
would've been Robert L. Poythress, Jr. Would appreciate it if anyone can
confirm, or correct, that.
Thanks,
BPN
= = = = = =

From: Denver145@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:15:52 EDT
Subject: Question for James Speed Poythress Line
To: Poythress-L@rootsweb.com

I have been going over the Marriage Records of Lauderdale County, MS
Poythress'. I want to make sure I have the correct information before I
put them in my Book.

1. Martha Poythress married George E. Thompson 1928 - Is she the daughter
of Charles W. Poythress or someone else?

2. R. L. Poythress married Florence Hawkins 1924 - Is this Robert L.
Poythress Sr. or Jr. or neither?

As always everyones help is appreciated.

Take care,
Elaine		10/08/2002 6:38:01
Re: Florence Hawkins & R L Poythress marriage 1924Hi BPN, I posted two responses that were sent directly to me yesterday,
regarding these marriages. I believe the Heading is RE: Question James Speed
Poythress Line (Complete Text). There should be two under this Heading. If
you didn't receive them let me know and I will forward them to you.

Hope you are enjoying your travels.

Take care,
Elaine.



10/08/2002 7:26:53
Can Someone Help Re: The R.L.Poythress Line?Hello all,

I received this in response to our discussion yesterday, regarding the
Marriages of Lauderdale County, MS. I was hoping, maybe someone from the
R.L Poythress line, could help her. She would really like to hear from the
Joe Poythress, who answered the marriage questions yesterday. That post is
at the bottom of this post.

Thanks,
Elaine

Elaine, My name is Kathy Waldron and my ex-husband was Dennis Waldron. Son
of Mae carol Poythress and John Sonnenberg.In 1957 his birth father murdered
his birth mother. She was the daughter of R.L. Poythress and Addie Kate
Husband. Kate and Carole came to California when Carol was about 14. She
finished High School in L.A. and married Richard Smith a L.A. police man.
They had one son Mark Smith. Born 10-22-53 or 54.I don't know what happined
with that marriage, but they divorced and she married John Sonnenberg in
1957. Maybe the fact that she had another son in 1956 with Mr. Sonnenberg
before they married in 1957 was the reason she and Mr. Smith divorced! That
son was born John Sonnenberg JR.until my ex-in-laws adopted him.He is the
Grandson of R.L.Poythress and my 2 children are his Great grandchildren. I
heard about your friend Joe Poythress, but I do not have his email address or
telephone number. He is the 1/2 brother of my children's grandmother.(Carole)

I would like to find Mark Smith and I would like to know if R.L. and any of
his other 5
wives had any other children and if anyone has a photograph of Carol or her
father R.L. We live in Los Angeles and visit Carols grave regularly. I am a
member of the list, but I have never contacted anyone excepy Barbara Neil.Joe

has a lot of my answers,but he too is quietly on the list.I would appreciate
any information you have on Carol Poythress and if you could get Joe to open
up
to me and give me information on my children's Grandmother. I am tring to
educate my children about their poythress roots. He can reach me at
kwjw@att.net
Thank you for your help in this matter.
Kathy

> I did not enclude this part with the last email, thanking for the
> information, so here is the entire, jist of it. I hope this works, do not

> do so well with the coping and pasting stuff. Sorry for my oversight.
> Elaine
>
>
> Regarding your recent questions concerning the Marriage Records of
> Lauderdale County,MS Poythress', the Martha Poythress referencd in Q1 was
> Martha Corbitt Poythress, the first wife of my father, John Wallace
> Poythress, second son of Robert Lee Poythress Sr. They had one son,
> Robert(known through life as Bobby)and were divorced in 1927. Bobby was
> adopted by George E. Thompson sometimes later and now lives just north of
> Koscuisko, MS. My mother, Mary Estelle Brett, and father were married
> January 19,1929. She was 13 and he was 28.
>
> The R.L.Poythress referenced in Q2 was Robert Lee Poythress Jr, first son
of
> Sr. Florence Hawkins was one of his five or six wives, but I can't recall
> where whe fell in the list. She had to be early on in the list, because I
> remember the last three. I do know that they had no children.
>
> Hope this helps. I am away from home a lot for extended periods and do not
> get to spend much time on this computer. I seem to remember some earlier
> querys you had regarding the JSP line.
> If you will email your address and telephone number, I will call you
> sometimes and we can explore all of it in some detail. I am not sure just
> where you fit in the JSP line, but I do remember that your grandfather,
Carl
> Hutton Poythress (my great uncle), was one of my favorites in the old
family
> when I was growing up on Southside in Meridian. My mom and dad bought the
> house I grew up in at 2650 St. Luke Street in Meridian from Uncle Carl for
> $800. I still have the original deed and would be happy to give you a copy
> if you would like that.
>
> Best regards and let me hear from you. By the way, someday I'll go around
> and take photos of all the Poythress gravesites I can locate and send you
> copies. Over the Internet if I can figure out how to do it!
>		10/08/2002 9:40:31
India Poythress- 1880 Warren County NC CensusPage 45, Nutbush Township, Warren County, NC, En. Date 19 June 1880, ED 284

Dwelling 399, Lines 33 through 39
Poythrefs, India, white, female, age 27, married, Keeping house, born NC,
father born NC, mother born NC
Jimmie, white, male, age 8, Son, single, Blind, born NC, father born NC,
mother born NC
Johnnie, white, male, age 5,son, single, born NC, father born NC, mother born
NC
Charlie, white, male age 3, son, single, born NC, father born NC, mother born
NC
Effie, white, female, age 1, daughter, single, born NC, father born NC,
mother born NC
Sallie, white, female age ?60 or 66, mother, widowed-divorced, born VA,
father born VA, mother born VA
Collins, Bitey, black, female, age 30, servant, single, Cook, cannot read or
write, born NC, father born NC, mother born NC

I wonder where Charles David Poythress is? Any ideas BPW? This would have
to be David Poythress' widow Sallie Dortch Poythress wouldn't it?

Take care,
Elaine		10/08/2002 9:58:00
Rebecca Poythress- Wade Prior/PryorBruce MillerDoes anyone have information on the siblings or parents of Rebecca Poythress who married Wade Haden Pryor 4 Mar 1829 in Columbia County, Georgia? Their 3rd child was Wade Haden Pryor Jr who was born 8 Nov. 1833 in Harris County, Georgia. Their 7th son was named James Garrett Pryor and he was born 21 Feb 1843. I have a total of ten children for this family, with one name unknown.
I believe that this Rebecca Poythress is a sister to my Poythress ancestor and another sister. I struggled over the Poythress name for a long time...because it was written as Portress and in the transcribed marriage records it was listed as Partrip because they did not realize the old style writing made it look like a p at the end of the word. I searched other variations of this name.....Portis.. Porter, Porteous......everything I could think of.......but to no avail until I got more clues last night when I found the Rebecca Poythress/Wade Pryor information. My Nancy Ann Poythress married Willoughby Hammack on 12/13/1832 in Harris County, Georgia....and her sister Elizabeth Poythress married James Garrett, Jr. on 3/25/1832 in Harris County, Georgia. Rebecca married in 1829 in Columbia County, Ga.......and had a son born in Harris County in 1833.....and she also named one son James Garrett Pryor which seemed to me to be a strong indication that these three women were sist!
ers. Eliza Poythress Garrett named a daughter Rebecca. Rebecca Poythress Pryor's descendants list her birth as 1805. Nancy Ann was born in 1812 per Bible records the Garrett family. Eliza./Elizabeth was born 1816 in Georgia according to the 1850 census.
Rebecca and Wade settled in Pike County, Alabama. Nancy Ann and Willoughby Hammack settled in DeKalb County, Alabama and Eliza. and James Garrett Jr. settled in Cherokee Co. Alabama.
Willoughby Hammack and James Garrett Jr were step brothers as Willoughby's mother, the widow Levicy Hammack married James Garrett Sr. in 1825 in Fayette Co. Ga. Her husband had died in Newton Co. Willoughby Hammack Sr. had served in the militia in Greene County in 1795 so I have been suspicious that there might be some connection with the Francis Poythress family as he was in Greene County, Ga. earlier. It seems strange that the Poythress girls are found marrying in counties where there does not seem to be any Poythress family recorded. The closest to Harris County was Joseph Poythress but his will and the birth dates do not seem to fit into that family.
I found a reference on a message board taken from the "History of Kentucky" by Lewis Collins and J.A. & U.P James, published 1847 and reprinted by Henry Clay Press, Lexington, KY.....1968.
pp. 125-126 (Jessamine County, Ky.) This article referred to a Francis Poythress who was an elder who attended meetings in Baltimore and was assigned to the regions of Kentucky and later to North Carolina, but he became ill, and went to live with his sister,,,,,,the widow Prior, in Jessamine Kentucky in 1800. I am sure that this Francis is not the father as he remained ill at the home of his sister until his death. Who does he belong to and who is the Poythress woman who married a Prior before 1800. Does anyone have any clues to possible parents to these Poythress women from Columbia and Harris County Georgia........or who the Francis Poythress and his sister....widow Prior belong to?
Which one of the Poythress men in Georgia can be ruled out as a father? Who is "available" who would be a likely candidate? Perhaps a son of Francis Poythress of Greene Co? What is known about him? Any ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks....
Bruce Miller
orvus@wvi.com		10/08/2002 11:03:07
Rev Francis Poythress & sister Rebecca Poythress- Wade Prior/PryorCharles NealHi Bruce,

Good to hear from you after a long time. I appreciate you sharing all that
great info you found on Rebecca Poythress marrying Wade Haden Pryor & their
son whose name fits with your line.

I had earlier tried to determine who in the heck was husband of the
Prior/Pryor sister of Rev. Francis Poythress (early Methodist minister who
died unmarried & who we've discussed on the Poythress-List in years gone by
-- see the List Archives for earlier discussions). We have long wanted to
know which Poythress line Rev. Francis descended from, and I had hoped that
thru his sister(s) lines, maybe we can find more about their father. Maybe
your posted findings of info will help in that effort.

Sounds to me like you mean that they married in Columbus, Ga, which is
nowadays in Muscogee County, Ga, next to the Alabama stateline, just south
of Harris County, Ga.

Again, good to hear from you & thanks for the info.
Barbara (BPN)
= = = = =
From: "Bruce Miller"
Subject: Rebecca Poythress- Wade Prior/Pryor
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:03:07 -0700
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Does anyone have information on the siblings or parents of Rebecca
Poythress who married Wade Haden Pryor 4 Mar 1829 in Columbia County,
Georgia? Their 3rd child was Wade Haden Pryor Jr who was born 8 Nov. 1833
in Harris County, Georgia. Their 7th son was named James Garrett Pryor and
he was born 21 Feb 1843. I have a total of ten children for this family,
with one name unknown.

I believe that this Rebecca Poythress is a sister to my Poythress ancestor
and another sister. I struggled over the Poythress name for a long
time...because it was written as Portress and in the transcribed marriage
records it was listed as Partrip because they did not realize the old style
writing made it look like a p at the end of the word. I searched other
variations of this name.....Portis.. Porter, Porteous......everything I
could think of.......but to no avail until I got more clues last night when
I found the Rebecca Poythress/Wade Pryor information. My Nancy Ann
Poythress married Willoughby Hammack on 12/13/1832 in Harris County,
Georgia....and her sister Elizabeth Poythress married James Garrett, Jr. on
3/25/1832 in Harris County, Georgia. Rebecca married in 1829 in Columbia
County, Ga.......and had a son born in Harris County in 1833.....and she
also named one son James Garrett Pryor which seemed to me to be a strong
indication that these three women were sisters. Eliza Poythress Garrett
named a daughter Rebecca. Rebecca Poythress Pryor's descendants list her
birth as 1805. Nancy Ann was born in 1812 per Bible records the Garrett
family. Eliza./Elizabeth was born 1816 in Georgia according to the 1850
census.

Rebecca and Wade settled in Pike County, Alabama. Nancy Ann and
Willoughby Hammack settled in DeKalb County, Alabama and Eliza. and James
Garrett Jr. settled in Cherokee Co. Alabama.

Willoughby Hammack and James Garrett Jr were step brothers as Willoughby's
mother, the widow Levicy Hammack married James Garrett Sr. in 1825 in
Fayette Co. Ga. Her husband had died in Newton Co. Willoughby Hammack
Sr. had served in the militia in Greene County in 1795 so I have been
suspicious that there might be some connection with the Francis Poythress
family as he was in Greene County, Ga. earlier. It seems strange that the
Poythress girls are found marrying in counties where there does not seem to
be any Poythress family recorded. The closest to Harris County was Joseph
Poythress but his will and the birth dates do not seem to fit into that
family.

I found a reference on a message board taken from the "History of
Kentucky" by Lewis Collins and J.A. & U.P James, published 1847 and
reprinted by Henry Clay Press, Lexington, KY.....1968. pp. 125-126
(Jessamine County, Ky.) This article referred to a Francis Poythress who
was an elder who attended meetings in Baltimore and was assigned to the
regions of Kentucky and later to North Carolina, but he became ill, and
went to live with his sister,,,,,,the widow Prior, in Jessamine Kentucky in
1800. I am sure that this Francis is not the father as he remained ill at
the home of his sister until his death. Who does he belong to and who is
the Poythress woman who married a Prior before 1800. Does anyone have any
clues to possible parents to these Poythress women from Columbia and Harris
County Georgia........or who the Francis Poythress and his sister....widow
Prior belong to?

Which one of the Poythress men in Georgia can be ruled out as a father?
Who is "available" who would be a likely candidate? Perhaps a son of
Francis Poythress of Greene Co? What is known about him? Any ideas would
be appreciated.

Thanks....
Bruce Miller
orvus@wvi.com		10/09/2002 5:33:41
N.D. Vaughn Household - I need another opinion!!!I found the N.D. Vaughn family in Warren Co. NC, Smith Creek Township pages
14 and 15. A brother-in-law is listed living in this household. I swear it
looks like it says Francis Poythrefs. I am sure about the Poythrefs part.
Would a couple of you be willing to look at copies of this, and give your
opinion? If this is true, that would most likely mean that David Poythress
had a son Francis. It might help place one of the Francis' that has not been
put with a family unit. Let me know asap, who can help me with this. I
leave Saturday for a weeks vacation, and I would like to send them before I
leave, so you can see what you think while I am gone.

Thanks
Elaine		10/09/2002 6:49:31
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http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237		10/09/2002 7:04:08
Re: India Poythress- 1880 Warren County NC CensusElaine,

Yes, this is the family of Charles David Poythress and Indiana Peru (nee
Twisdale) Poythress.

"Page 45, Nutbush Township, Warren County, NC, En. Date 19 June 1880, ED 284

Dwelling 399, Lines 33 through 39
Poythrefs, India, white, female, age 27, married, Keeping house, born NC,
father born NC, mother born NC"

This is Indiana Peru (nee Twisdale) Poythress who married Charles David
Poythress 8 Dec. 1870.


"Jimmie, white, male, age 8, Son, single, Blind, born NC, father born NC,
mother born NC"

This is James Sneed Poythress born 17 Sep 1871 and died 18 Oct. 1918. He was
not blind. He lived in Henderson, NC and was a Major in the North Carolina
National Guard and had been commissioned in the National Army and ordered to
France in W.W.I when he contracted Spanish influenza and died.

His son Charles David Poythress was a Marine aviator in W.W.I and was wounded
on Armistice Day in France.

"Johnnie, white, male, age 5,son, single, born NC, father born NC, mother
born
NC"

This is John Alexander Poythress, born 19 June 1874 and died 7 Feb. 1934.

"Charlie, white, male age 3, son, single, born NC, father born NC, mother
born
NC"

This is Charles Vance Poythress, born 16 Dec 1876 and died in 1906.

"Effie, white, female, age 1, daughter, single, born NC, father born NC,
mother born NC"

This is their only sister. A brother Benjamin Edison Poythress will be born
in 1888.

"Sallie, white, female age ?60 or 66, mother, widowed-divorced, born VA,
father born VA, mother born VA"

This would be Sally Dortch Poythress, mother of Charles David and widow of
David Poythress who died in 1876.

Now to your last question about Charles David, head of this family and his
whereabouts. He and his family lived in Thomasville, GA in the 1880s where he
had a photography studio. He also advertised as a Machinist, repairing,
adjusting and overhauling sewing machines. So my guess is that he might be in
Thomasville at this time establishing a place for his family.

Best, Barbara (BPW)		10/09/2002 7:09:09
Re: India Poythress- 1880 Warren County NC CensusThanks for all the great information on the people of this census, and your
explanation about where Charles David might be, makes sense. I went back and
double checked the census page Jimmie was not blind. He attended school. I
checked the wrong box on my sheet. Sorry!!!!

Elaine



10/09/2002 7:29:20
Delia Poythress Marriage, Northhampton, NC 1816I am not sure who she is, but in case someone is looking for her, I found
this in the North Carolina Marriage Bonds, 1741-1868.

Bride: Delia Poythress
Groom: Jesse Collier
Bond Date: 29 Feb. 1816
County: Northhampton
Record #: 01 046
Bondsman: Simon Harris
Witness: Tom Hughs
Bond#: 000089882

Hope this helps someone.
Elaine		10/09/2002 7:35:19
The Widow Prior in KY.Bruce MillerI just found the given name for the widow Prior mentioned in the articles about the Methodist Elder Francis Poythress who went to Jessamine Co. Kentucky , 1800, to stay with his sister. I had to go to the 1810 Census for Kentucky, Jessamine Co. and there was one female Prior who was head of the household. Her name is listed as Susanna Prior. In her household, there is one male 16 - 25; 1 male 26-44 and 1 male 45 and over (Francis Poythress?) For the females, there was 1 female 16 - 25 and 2 females 45 and over. There were 25 slaves listed.
Francis Poythress and his sister Susanna Poythress Prior would both have been born before 1755.
Is there a family in the lists with a missing son and daughter born before 1755? Maybe this will help take a step toward identifying a family for these two Poythress descendants. If you would like to take a look at the census record, it is on page 58 and Susanna is the 6th name down from the top.
I will include the url for the page where this information can be found. It was on page 58.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenwev/ky/jessamine/census/1810/58.jpg

Hope this helps fill out some Poythress family. Now...who did she marry and where and who are the parents of this Susanna and Francis Poythress?

Bruce Miller
orvus@wvi.com		10/10/2002 2:45:17
Eliza Poythress - James Garrett Jr.Bruce MillerEliza Poythress was a sister to Rebecca Poythress / Wade Pryor. Eliza was born 1816 in GA (1850 Census for Cherokee County, Alabama.) She married James Garrett Jr. on 25 March 1832 in Harris Co Georgia. James was born 5 March 1808 in South Carolina and died 31 March 1890 in Cherokee Co. Al. His father was James Garrett Jr. and his mother is unknown at this time. James Garrett Sr. remarried the widow of Willoughby Hammack Sr. in 1825, Fayette Co. Georgia. Her name was Levicey (Sheffield) Hammack. Note: Rebecca Poythress Pryor named a son James Garrett Pryor. Her husband, Wade (Waid) Pryor (Prior) was listed as head of the household in Harris County, GA 1830 Census. Their son Wade Haden Pryor Jr. was born in Harris Co. 8 Nov. 1833. Rebecca's sisters Eliza and Nancy Ann Poythress both married in 1832 in Harris Co.

Children of James Garrett Jr. and Eliza Poythress are:

1. Rebecca Garrett b. abt 1835.
2. Edmund Garrett b. abt 1837
3. James Garrett b. abt 1839
4. Mary Garrett b. abt 1841
5. Lucinda Garrett b. abt 1843
6. William Garrett b. abt 1845
7. Martha Frances Garrett, b. 8 Feb. 1854; d. 31 October 1924.

Martha Frances Garrett, dau. of James and Eliza Poythress Garrett married Charles Grifin "Griff" Mobley abt. 1871, son of Alexander Mobley and Sarah Meadows.
Children of Martha Frances and Charles Griffin Mobley are:
1. Debia Mobley b. Jan. 1872, Al.
2. Della Mobley b. June 1874, AL.
3. James Alexander Mobley b. September 1876. d. 8 Jan 1886.
4. William Andrew Jefferson Mobley b. 20 July 1879; d. 10 Dec. 1945.
5. George Huston Mobley b. 16 May 1881; d. 25 May 1955.
6. Edward Garrett Mobley b. 14 May 1883. d. 28 Aug. 1968
7. Charlie G. Mobley b. 14 September 1885; d. 15 November 1899.
8. Alonzo Potress (Poythress) "Lon" Mobley Sr. b. 20 Sept. 1886; d. January 1965.
9. Nobia Mobley b. 31 July 1887; d. 8 July 1889
10. Rosey M. Mobley b. 13 April 1892; d. 27 Dec. 1903
11. Infant daughter Mobley b. 15 Dec. 1904; d. 21 Dec. 1904

Charles Grifin "Griff" Mobley was the son of Alexander Mobley b.abt 1811 and Sarah Elender Meadows. Alexander and Sarah were married 5 June 1833 in Oglethorpe Co. Ga.

Alexander Mobley was the son of Isaac Mobley b.abt. 1771 and d. bef. 1827........and Frances Deadwyler, daughter of Martin Deadwyler and Anna ???.

Isaac Mobley was the son of John Mobley.		10/11/2002 1:28:48
The Widow Prior in KY - corrected URLCharles NealHi Bruce,

Thanks for the posting. I've corrected one little typo in the URL below
(changing "usgenwev" to "usgenweb"). Great photo of the page at that site.

Re one of your last 2 questions at the bottom of the message, I note from
your earlier posting that you already know that her sister Rebecca
Poythress had married Wade Haden Prior/Pryor. It would be logical to
check his family & see if these 2 sisters married 2 brothers, as happens
often. If you have found any info at all about him (dates & places of
birth &/or death; names of parents), I'd sure like to have that info for
leads in finding more about the family of Rebecca & Susannah & Francis
Poythress.

I'd appreciate it if you would list for us, please, all the basic info you
have found on Rebecca Poythress & Wade Haden Prior/Pryor's family,
including names of all the children & dates & places of birth & death for
everyone who you have in that family, including the parents themselves.

Thanks again,
Barbara (BPN)
= = = =

From: "Bruce Miller"
Subject: The Widow Prior in KY.
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:45:17 -0700
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

I just found the given name for the widow Prior mentioned in the articles
about the Methodist Elder Francis Poythress who went to Jessamine Co.
Kentucky , 1800, to stay with his sister. I had to go to the 1810 Census
for Kentucky, Jessamine Co. and there was one female Prior who was head of
the household. Her name is listed as Susanna Prior. In her household,
there is one male 16 - 25; 1 male 26-44 and 1 male 45 and over (Francis
Poythress?) For the females, there was 1 female 16 - 25 and 2 females 45
and over. There were 25 slaves listed.
Francis Poythress and his sister Susanna Poythress Prior would both
have been born before 1755.
Is there a family in the lists with a missing son and daughter born before
1755? Maybe this will help take a step toward identifying a family for
these two Poythress descendants. If you would like to take a look at the
census record, it is on page 58 and Susanna is the 6th name down from the
top.
I will include the url for the page where this information can be found.
It was on page 58.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ky/jessamine/census/1810/58.jpg

Hope this helps fill out some Poythress family. Now...who did she marry
and where and who are the parents of this Susanna and Francis Poythress?

Bruce Miller
orvus@wvi.com		10/11/2002 3:49:02
Nancy Ann Poythress - Willoughby Hammack Jr.Bruce MillerNancy Ann Poythress is the sister of Rebecca Poythress (m. Wade Pryor) and Eliza Poythress (m. James Garrett Jr.) She married Willoughby Hammack Jr. son of Willoughby Hammack Sr. and Levicey Sheffield Hammack. His mother remarried after the death of Willoughby Hammack Sr, (d. 1823 in Newton, Co. Ga.) to James Garrett Sr....a widower and that marriage was in 1825 in Fayette Co, Georgia. James Garrett Jr., the son of James Garrett Sr, married Eliza Poythress. Thus step brothers (Willoughby Hammack Jr. and James Garrett Jr. married the Poythress sisters in Harris Co. Ga.)

Nancy Ann Poythress was born 21 April 1812 in Georgia. She died 3 Jan. 1888 in Ft. Payne, DeKalb
County, Alabama. She married Willoughby Hammack Jr. on 15 Dec. 1831 in Harris County, Georgia.
Their children are:

1. Mary Elizabeth Hammack b. 30 Dec. 1832, Harris Co. Ga. d. 6 Nov. 1910, Valley Head, DeKalb Co. Alabama. Married CAPTAIN JOHN FRENCH THOMASON 17 July 1849 in DeKalb Co. Alabama.
2. Aaron Hammack b. after 1832 d. before 1840.
3. Daughter Hammack b. before 1840 d. before 1840
4. Sarah Ann Rebecca Hammack b. 21 Sept 1839 Ft. Payne, DeKalb Co. Ala. d. 8 Sept 1868, DeKalb Co, Alabama. She married PETER GREEN LANKFORD on 1 Sept 1858 in DeKalb Co. Al.
5. James Jackson "JJ" Hammack b. 5 May 1843 Ft. Payne, DeKalb Co. Alabama; d. 20 Dec 1910 in Cone, Crosby Co. Texas. He married AMANDA FRANCES MAGEE on 21 Oct. 1869 in Gainesville, Cooke Co. Texas. Confederate Soldier. Lost a leg.
6. Emily Eliza "Puss" Hammack b. 26 Sept. 1846, Ft. Payne, DeKalb Co. Alabama. d. 7 Dec. 1923, Cincinnati, Ohio. Bur. at Ft. Payne. Alabama. She married THOMAS A. GRIFFITH on 4 Nov. 1869, DeKalb Co. Alabama.
7 Nancy Levicey "Vicey" Hammack b. abt 1849 Ft. Payne, DeKalb Co. Alabama. d. before March 1899, Texas. She married WILLIAM SAMUEL A. LYONS on 30 April 1868 in Ft. Payne, DeKalb Co. Alabama.
8. Wallace Milton Hammack b. 23 March 1852 Ft. Payne, DeKalb Co. Alabama; d. 12 May 1925, Salem, Marion Co. Oregon. Buried at Lower Fishtrap Cemetery, near Coquille, Coos Co. Oregon.
He married MARGARET "MAGGIE" SLOAN WATTS on 28 Aug. 1879 (eloped) Clay Co. Texas.

This is my direct line through Wallace Milton Hammack and Margaret Sloan Watts.
Their daughter Effie May Hammack married Orvus Nile Miller.
My father, Orvus Hammack Miller married Rosa Belle McQuigg
They had 2 daughters and myself.....Orvus Bruce Miller.

We now have 3 female Poythress lines identified with their descendants. Hopefully, one day we will be able to come to some conclusion as to which Poythress was their father and which line they descend from.		10/11/2002 3:50:13
Francis Poythress/KYBruce, I have been chasing this guy for quite a while. He gets a ream of
print in most histories of the Methodist Church. He is closely associated
with Francis Asbury and there are mentions that the two of them "brought
Methodism over the Mountains." Since all of my family in Screven Co., GA are
all Methodists I have often wonder if there was linkage there from Francis'
earlier work in Virginia. However, there is little doubt that the Methodists
edged out the Baptists in selling themselves in early Kentucky west of the
mountains. Bishop Asbury of course is the namesake for Asbury College, the
famous divinity school for Methodists. Francis is said to have missed
becoming a Bishop by one vote.

I have searched virtually all the Methodist histories I could find and
transcribed a great deal of information on Francis in his later life (be
happy to send it to you if you'd like to have it). Since they are Methodist
histories the emphasis is on his preaching career with never a mention of the
orgins of Francis or even his two sisters until I stumbled on the DAR
reference below. The single exception "mention" being that Francis died "a
certified lunatic" in the home of his sister, the widow Prior/Pryor.

Previously I have believed Francis the Preacher and his two sisters Elizabeth
Poythress Peniston and Susanna Poythress Prior/Pryor are, downstream at any
rate, all genealogical dead ends, at least from the Poythress angle. Your
revelation of the Pryor/Prior connection may change all that but I still
don't think we can casually make the loop from Jessamine County, KY to a
Pryor/Prior descendent marrying in Columbia Co., GA.

Here was my first clue to the original ancestors:

Granddaughter of Albert Hazen and Eliza Roberts, his wife; James Madison
Beatley (1815-65) and Ann Peniston (1823-1900), his wife, m. 1837.
Gr-granddaughter of Zavan Hazen and Abigail Patterson, his wife; Francis P.
Peniston (1794-1824) and Hannah S. Moore (1796-1823), his wife, m. 1815.
Gr-gr-granddaughter of Solomon Hazen and Theodora Pease, his wife; Anthony
Peniston (1764-97) and Elizabeth Poythress (b. 1765), his wife, m. 1783.
Gr-gr-gr-granddaughter of William Poythress and Elizabeth - (1741-83), his
wife, m. 1758. Solomon Hazen (1759-1849) enlisted, 1777, in Capt. Joshua
Hazen's company, Col. Peter Olcott's regiment from Vermont. He was born in
Woodbury, Conn.; died in Hartford, Vt. William Poythress (1741-83) served as
lieutenant in 1st Continental artillery, Virginia Line. He was born in
Virginia. The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution
Volume 69 page 181.

The Peniston family is still prominent in Kentucky and this is the reference
I have not seen in previous e-mails among you all to a third sibling,
Elizabeth. Given that the DAR is known to be tough on documentation I would
a) like to read the original DAR submission cited and b) pursue the
Prior/Pryor line with some documentation. The William mentioned is in all
probability the William of whom we have a portrait.

I have no idea how this snippet got on my harddrive but I picked it up
somewhere. It is hazely worded but refers to the siblings (Francis,
Elizabeth & Susanna) as 3G descendents of William and Elizabeth Poythress. I
have not made the links between the siblings and the 3Gparents but I think
the Batte cards might be a good place to start.

Maynard		10/11/2002 7:09:06
Rebecca Poythress - Wade Haden Prior/PryorBruce MillerI am digging out information about the Prior/Pryor family in hopes that it will lead to locations or associations with persons who might be connected with the Poythress family in hopes of finding out more about Rebecca Poythress and her sisters, Nancy Ann and Eliza.

Wade Haden Prior/Pryor was born abt. 1798 in Columbia Co. Georgia, and died 25 Aug. 1863 in Tennille, Pike County, Alabama. He was the son of HADEN PRIOR and ELIZABETH WADE.
He married REBECCA POYTHRESS 4 March 1829 in Columbia County Georgia.
NOTE: Columbia County, GA. borders the Savannah River and is near Burke County. Columbia Co. was formed in 1790 from Richmond Co. which borders Burke County.
Rebecca was born about 1805 (1850 Census, Pike Co. Miss) in Georgia, and died 26 Dec 1871 in Tennille, Pike Co. Alabama.

The children of Wade Haden Prior and Rebecca Poythress are:
1. Edward Haden Prior.......born 26 Dec. 1829, and died Unknown
2. Elizabeth Ann Prior........born 12 Nov 1831 and died Unknown
3. Wade Haden Prior, Jr. .. born 8 Nov. 1833 in Harris Co. Georgia, and died 18 Feb 1893 in
Carthage, Panola Co., Texas. He married Elvira Ophelia Williams 26 Sep.1860 in Macon,
Alabama. She was born 17 April 1831 in Edgefield, S.C. and died 9 Nov. 1911 in Carthage,
Panola Co. Texas.
4. Thomas Jefferson Prior...born 8 Jan 1836, and died Unknown
5. Sarah Jane Prior ..... born 28 Dec. 1837, and died Unknown
6. John Thomas Prior ....born 8 Mar 1840, and died Unknown
7. James Garrett Prior....born 21 Feb 1843 and died Unknown
8. Robert B. Prior....born 29 Dec. 1845, and died Unknown
9. William Wakefield Prior....born 9 Sep. 1849 and died Unknown.
10. Prior child died Unknown.

NOTE: The Wade Prior family is found in the 1830 Census in Harris County, Georgia. (from the Index for the 1830 Census for Harris Co. Ga.......listed as WAID PRIOR)

Wade Haden Pryor was the son of Haden Pryor and Elizabeth Wade.
HADEN PRYOR was born between 1745 - 1750 in Granville, NC., and died before Jul 1805 in Columbia County, Georgia. He was the son of PHILLIP PRIOR and ANN HADEN.
ELIZABETH WADE was born in Granville. NC, and died after 1820 in Columbia County Georgia. She was the daughter of JOHN WADE.
Children of Elizabeth Wade and Haden Pryor are: (Not in order)
1. Archibald Prior.....died unknown
2. Elizabeth Pror.....died unknown She married Joseph Harley 20 Dec. 1808. He died unknown.
3. Felix G. Prior was born between 1788 - 1789, and died about 1852 in Morgan Co. Georgia. He
married Sarah Baldwin. She died unknown. He married Martha A. Reese. She died unknown.
4. Haden G. Prior was born abt. 1804 and died 1823.
5. Mary Prior died unknown. She married Jonathan Pearrer. He died unknown.
6. John Prior was born 28 Feb 1778, and died 16 Jun 1821 in Morgan Co. Ga. He married Elizabeth
Allen 14 Dec. 1800 in Morgan Co. Ga., daughter of Robert Allen and Elizabeth Napier. She was
born abt. 1784 in Fluvanna, VA. and died 7 Jun. 1852 in Madison, Morgan Co. Georgia.
7. Asa T. Prior was born 28 Oct. 1783 in Caswell, N.C. and died 2 Jul 1854 in Sabine, Texas. He
married Sarah Witcher 1805 thought to be in Mt. Airy, Surry Co. N.C. She was born 1 Oct. 1785
and died 2 Han. 1838 in Cedartown, Polk Co. GA.
8. WADE HADEN PRIOR was born abt. 1798 in Columbia Co. GA and died 25 Aug. 1863 in
Tennille, Pike Co. Alabama. He married REBECCA POYTHRESS 4 Mar 1829 in Columbia Co.
Georgia. She was born abt. 1805 in GA, and died 26 Dec. 1871 in Tennille, Pike Co. Alabama.
9. Nancy Prior died unknown. She married PATRICK DOUGHERTY 27 Dec. 1796 iin Columbia
Co. GA. He died unknown.
10. Jane Prior died unknown. She married MICHAEL DOUGHERTY 18 Apr 1807. He died unk.
11. Philip Prior died unknown. He married JANE LANDERS. She died unknown.
12 Sarah Ann Prior was born19 Sept. 1781 and died unknown. She married JOHN MAGRUDER
20 Oct. 1800 in Columbia Co. Ga. He died unknown.

Haden Prior was the son of PHILIP PRIOR and ANN HADEN.
Philip Prior was born abt. 1720 in Gloucester, VA. and died 1769 in Granville, NC. He was the son of ROBERT PRYOR and BETTY VIRGINIA GREEN.
Philip married Ann Haden who was born 1723 in Amelia Co. Virginia, and died after Nov 1780 in Caswell, NC.
Children of Ann Haden and Phillip Prior are:

1. Haden Pryor born bet. 1745-1750 in Granville NC. and died bef. Jul 1805 in Columbia Co. GA. He married Elizabeth Wade 9 Sep 1769 in Granville, NC. She was the daughter of John Wade. She was born in Granville N.C. and died aft. 1820 in Columbia Co. GA.
2. Samuel Pryor died unknown.
3. William Pryor died unknown
4. Frances Pryor died unknown. She married MICAJAH BULLOCK aft 19 Jun 1769 in Granville, NC. He died unknown.
5. John Pryor died unknown.....NOTE: STRICTLY SPECULATION.....There is a John Pryor who was a Rev. Soldier...in the Virginia Continental Line...His rank is listed as Captain Lieutenant and the branch was Artillery. Years: 3, 4,000 acres. This land is recorded in Kentucky. Warrant ID 0126.0
Could this be the Prior/Pryor who married Susanna Poythress, sister of Francis Poythress and Elizabeth Poythress Peniston? In the 1810 census for Jessamine Ky, the widow Susanna Prior had 25 slaves listed on the census. I know this line seems to go nowhere, but it would be nice to know as much as possible about them.
6. Susanna Pryor died Unknown. She married MICAJAH BULLOCK. (So did her sister, Frances.)

Philip Pryor was the son of Robert Pryor and Betty Virginia Green
Their children are:
1. Samuel Pryor was born 1699 in Gloucester, VA and died in 1790. He married PRUDENCE THORNTON. She died unknown.
2. PHILIP PRYOR was born about 1720 in Gloucester, VA and died 1769 in Granville Co. NC. He married Ann Haden abt. 1740 in Amelia Co. VA. She ws born 1723 in Amelia, VA. and died aft. Nov 1780 in Caswell, NC.
3. John Pryor was born in Gloucester, VA, and died 1771 in Orange Co. NC. He married Margaret Gaines, daughter of George Gaines and Elinor. She was born abt 1709 in Gloucester VA and died abt 1780 in Orange Co. or Caswell Co. NC.

Maynard or anyone......I have a question about a name from the information on the Poythress site in regards to the Poythress Index to the Augusta, Ga. Chronicle 1788 - 1827. The entry is for
04/05/1819....REBECCA POYTHRESS on list for letters remaining at post office in Waynesborough, Georgia on April 1, 1819 (04/05/1819, 3, 2).
Do you know who she belongs to or is this possibly the Rebecca Poythress who married Wade Pryor? You may have already discussed so many of the questions I have, so please forgive me if I repeat things already presented.

Thanks.
Bruce Miller		10/11/2002 12:54:52
Re: Francis Poythress/KYBruce sez:
Thanks Maynard....
How is the eye? I appreciate the information. I don't see how Francis
and Susanna and Elizabeth could be connected with Rebecca Poythress/Wade
Prior/Pryor but it was a magnet because of the surnames and raised my
curiosity to see if there was some connection from the Prior link. I have
quite a bit of information on Wade's family so I will share that as it may
lead to some clues or links along the way.
Please forgive me if I ask some out in space questions. I had given up
trying to figure out what my gggrandmother's surname was since it was
written different ways and it was not until I could link Rebecca Poythress
to her and her sister that I was certain that she was a Poythress.......even
if I never find her parentage. When I saw her name transcribed as Partrip
from the marriage record in the old style which showed it as Portress I
became very conscious of various forms of spelling for this name. I have a
theory ...forgive me....that some members of this family may have been in
counties where the Poythress surname was not well known.....as in the case
in Harris County, Georgia. They were not long time residents and
apparently, their father was not with them in Harris Co. or at least he does
not surface as far as I can tell. So if I throw in a name that sounds so
outrageous and unbelievable, I don't mean to stir up more controversy about
the variations of the spelling of the surname Poythress. It seems that it
is when the stragglers away from the main counties where the Poythress name
was well established that I become more aware of the variations of spelling
and some really strange forms I must admit. I am trying to follow up on any
leads that might even be remotely close in my search for the parents of
these "unclaimed" Poythress daughters.
This question may already have been answered and I missed it.....if
so.....point me to the archives or where I might find information. Has the
William Franklin Portess who was wounded "during the depredations committed
by the Indians since Jan. 1787" been identified? Is it known if he belongs
to the known families so far? This reference is in Washington Co, Ga
returns of Indian depradations signed by an order of the Honorable ,
Executive Council of the 14th of June last. (1787) signed on Sept. 18, 1788
by Jared Irwin, Colonel. REF: "Records of Washington County, Georgia"
compiled by Marie De Lamar and Elizabeth Rothstein, pub. Genealogical
Publishing Co. 1985, page 138.
One more question for now....were there any of the Poythress men known to
be in the Battle of Kettle Creek or in the Battle at Shell Bluff in Burke
County?
Thanks....
Bruce


Bruce:
My inclination was to associate Harris County's Rebbeca with the Joseph and
Mary Poythress family in next door Troup County especially since at least one
of them migrated across the river into Alabama and points west. Since the
only bridge
was down in Columbus (Muscogee County) a Troup to Harris to Muscogee route to
Alabama would have made sense (they could always have forded the
Chattahoochee without going south to the bridge but it was only fordable deep
in the fall at a shoal line and using the roads would have been more logical
in any scenario, it just wasn't that far).

I have that Joseph and Mary Poythress family pretty much down pat and their
story is on the webpage. Try as I can I can't work a Rebecca in there. This
family moved from Warren Co. to Troup County about 1818.

While I can't place her in Georgia I don't believe BPN is able to place her
in Alabama/Mississippi either. I guess I'd really want to see some hard fact
before assigning her to BPN's crowd who appear to have come to western
Alabama from Mecklenburg County pretty much as a group.

So, I'm at a loss on Rebecca.

William Franklin Portess in Washington County before 1787. Boy, this one is
really coming out of the blue. Never heard of him. Washington County is a
logical place for him to be if he is associated with the rest of that gang of
Poythresses who came to Burke, Screven, Hancock, Green, Richmond, Columbia,
Washington counties....presumably all from VA and all about the same time.
Also we have to remember that in that time frame those people were on "the
frontier" settling in land simultaneously claimed (and fought for) by the
Creek Confederation and further north by the Cherokees (hence "the
depradations"). It is surprising that we get any records at all.

I don't have any problem accepting him as "a" Poythress. Your point is no
doubt true that the further away from home they got the more likely some
court clerk would assign them a variant spelling. However, I suspect an
equal factor might be that spelling in those days was largely phonetic and
county clerks simply put down what they thought they heard. Poythresses
couldn't be at home any place more than Prince George County and there is a
gang of variant spellings in the PG records as well.

Al Tims pointed out that a crying need for our webpage at this point in time
is a comprehensive census work-up of all states, all counties, all spelling
variants under one "section" on the webpage. That would be a monster
project even if one stopped at, say, 1910. The good news is that now a
couple of services (albeit you gotta pay) have every census on line so at
least one could do it sitting in front of a computer.
Anybody out there homebound?

Before you brought Rebecca and William Franklin out of the woodwork I would
have guessed I could almost do a Georgia census off of my existing "paper"
files. Obviously, that's not now even close.

With respect to the various battles of the American Revolution, I don't have
any records of Poythresses in Georgia participating in Georgia. It is more
likely that they all came to Georgia following the Revolutionary War but
that's just my guess. The largest battle in the Burke/Screven area was Brier
Creek (at Brannen bridges); I have a list of the participants and there were
no Poythresses listed.

Sorry I'm no help on any the above but I now have them on my watch list.

Best,

Maynard		10/12/2002 6:11:22
Joshua Poythress George Poythress......Missing links?Bruce MillerMaynard,
Another question.....Is Joshua Poythress too old to be a son of George Poythress? Perhaps by his first wife? I am wondering about that based only on "wondering and speculation at this point" because if William Poythress (d. 1828) , Rebecca, Eliza, Nancy Ann, and Sarah Ann (Apr. 1819) belonged to George.......and Joshua was a son of George by the first wife, it would give some sense as to why Rebecca, Eliza, and Nancy Ann were in Harris Co. which was formed from Troup Co and Muscogee Co in 1827. Rebecca and Wade Pryor were in the Harris, Troup County areas definitely between their marriage in March of 1829 in Columbia Co. near Burke and at the time of the 1830 Census for Harris Co. This is also where I found the first record of Eliza and Nancy Ann Poythress....in 1831/32 in Harris Co. IF William Poythress was their brother (d. 1828) he was deceased by the time Rebecca and Wade Pryor got married in Columbia Co. If Harriet Carter was the mother of Rebecca, Nancy Ann!
and Eliza, she was deceased in Dec. 1818 (Eliza would have been abt 2 years old, Nancy Ann would have been abt 6 years old, and Rebecca would have been abt 13 years old. If George was their father, he was still living. There is a George Poythress listed in the Burke County Militia, Feb. 25, 1819. He was in Captain Thomas Burke's command, 3rd Class, 1st Company. If this is the father George, his wife Harriet, had died about 3 months previous and if Sarah Ann was his daughter, she died 2 months after the Feb. date of George Poythress being listed in the Burke Co. Militia. (Some Georgia Co Records Vol. 4, page 9) At the same time, William PLYTHRESS, is in the 7th Regiment of Burke Co. 2nd Class, 1st Company. (page 8 of above ref.)
It is likely that if George and Harriet were the parents of these children, that when Harriet died in 1819, there were minor children at home and George would have likely had them cared for by family members, or sent them away from Savannah where Harriet had died of TYPHUS, which is highly infectious. It would be logical if Sarah Ann b. abt Aug 1818 was Harriet and George's daughter that she would be very likely to be extremely vulnerable to typhus as she would have only been about 4 months old at the time Harriet died. At Sarah's death, Dr. Sheftall, Sr. cited cause of death as "inflammation of the bowels". Could that have been as a result of typhus? At any rate......to continue this theory. Harriet died, Sarah Ann died by 1819 and IF Rebecca, Nancy Ann and Eliza were daughters of Harriet and George.....then it is possible and likely that they were sent to live with relatives (maybe there are records somewhere of this, or since George was still living, perhaps th!
ere were no records of guardianship made for them.) As far as I know from what little I have studied, it is not know who Harriet Carter Poythress's mother was. I have seen her father listed as Alexander Carter. Is it possible that Harriet was a Wakefield......and her daughters were sent to live with the Wakefield relatives? If that theory is correct, it would place Nancy Ann Poythress, and Eliza Poythress and Rebecca Poythress in Newnan, Coweta Co, Ga. (where the Hammacks and Garretts had dealings.....Thomas Hammack, son of Willoughby Sr. is said to have been born in Newnan. Those Poythress children in the care of the Wakefields also would have been in Fayette Co. Ga. where there are records of the Wakefield family and the Hammacks and the Garretts. Thomas Hammack married Elizabeth Nelson in Fayette Co. on 3 January 1826. Thomas (and Willoughby Jr) Hammack were sons of Willoughby Hammack Sr. who had died in Newton Co. in 1823. (He had land in Fayette Co at his death)!
and Levicey Sheffield Hammack. The widow Levicey Hammack married James Garrett Sr. on 2 Aug. 1825 in Fayette Co. Ga. James Garrett Sr had a son James Garrett Jr. who married Eliza Poythress in 1832 Harris Co. Ga. IF the Poythress girls were living with the Wakefields of Coweta County and Fayette Co's GA, then it would mean that the opportunity was extremely likely that this is how two of the girls met Willoughby Hammack Jr. and James Garrett Jr.
When the Hammacks and the Garretts left that area of Ga. they went to Harris Co, Georgia where the marriages of Eliza Poythress to James Garrett Jr. and Nancy Ann to Willoughby Hammack Jr. took place in 1832. Their sister Rebecca and her new husband Wade Pryor was there in Harris Co at the same time per the 1830 census and the birth of son Wade Haden Pryor Jr on 8 Nov 1833 in Harris Co Ga. Soon after that time, these families went to Alabama. Levicey Sheffield Hammack Garrett and her husband James Garrett Sr.....and Willoughby Hammack Jr and wife Nancy Ann Poythress all went to DeKalb County, Alabama where they lived the rest of their lives. Eliza Poythress Garrett and her husband James Garrett Jr. went to Cherokee Co, Ala. which adjoins DeKalb Co. Ala. They lived there all their lives. Rebecca Poythress Pryor and her husband Wade Pryor went to Pike Co, Alabama, quite some distance south of DeKalb Co. and Cherokee Co. They lived there all their lives.
I know this needs some more work and some connections and loose ends tied up but does it even sound possible or likely to anyone else who has researched the Poythress families? For a fact, the 3 Poythress daughters had to have parents somewhere and yet, they eluded detection, because the children may have been living with the Wakefield family, after their mother's death, and were not with their father. I have found two references (during a quick search) for the death date of George Poythress. One was on the site of Randy Jones who gave a date......abt 1829. The other was on the site of Georgia Ellison which gave George's death as 19 July 1832 in Burke Co. Ga. I am not sure if this last entry is an actual death date or a date of estate records. At any rate, George's death is very close to the time the Poythress girls marry and join up in Harris County, Ga.
I will continue following leads on this theory, if you think it has some merit at all. It seemed quite possible to me, but I am still searching and running down the Wakefields, Carters. There had to be a reason Rebecca Poythress Pryor named a son William Wakefield Pryor and it does not seem to come from her husband's side of the family. Think it over and let me know please.
Thanks,
Bruce		10/12/2002 9:03:24
Interesting!- How America Got Its Name?

Every American school child learns that America was named after Amerigo
Vespucci of Florence, Italy. In 1499, Vespucci sailed with Alonso de Hojeda
as an astronomer and navigator to a previously-unknown land that is now
called Brazil. On that trip, Vespucci derived a valid astronomical method in
determining longitude, replacing the previous method that relied upon dead
reckoning.

Millions of people have been taught that Amerigo Vespucci also gave his name
to the new lands although nobody seem to be able to refer to any documents as
proof of this act. Now a British writer has claimed that America was named
not after the Florentine navigator. Instead, he claims that the
newly-discovered lands were named after an anglicised Welshman named Richard
Amerike.

Although the Vikings and possibly others had visited the Western Hemisphere
for centuries, Europeans were generally unaware of these lands until Giovanni
Caboto landed there in 1497. (The Italian Giovanni Caboto later changed his
name to John Cabot, apparently to more easily obtain funding from his English
sponsors.) Cabot sailed from Bristol, England, which was his home for 15
years. His voyage was sponsored by a group of the city's businessmen, who
wanted to make more money through the discovery of the fabled route to the
spices and silks of the Orient by sailing westwards.

Writing for the BBC, author Peter Macdonald writes that Richard Amerike was
one of the more prominent Bristol businessmen. Descending from the Earls of
Gwent, Richard Ap Meryk - Welsh for Richard, son of Meryk - was born in 1445
at the family home, Meryk Court, Weston-under-Penyard, near Ross-on-Wye.
(Elizabeth, granddaughter of one of his ancestors, Hywel Ap Meurig, married
Sir John Poyntz in 1343. Queen Elizabeth II is descended from their Tudor
lineage, as was Diana, Princess of Wales, via the Spencer family
connections.)

The Welsh name of Richard Ap Meryk became anglicized to Richard Amerike. He
contributed the most money towards financing John Cabot’s voyage of
discovery. Oak trees from Amerike’s estate were used to construct Cabot’s
ship, the 21-metre-long Matthew. He also arranged that Cabot's family should
live in a house belonging to one of his friends until Cabot returned. But, as
the main sponsor of the voyage of discovery, he wanted something more. He
asked Cabot that any newly discovered lands should be named after him.

Peter Macdonald then goes on to write about the naming of the lands after the
Bristol merchant. He also notes a similarity between Richard Amerike’s coat
of arms and the flag of the United States, created nearly 300 years later. Is
this story accurate? Was America named after an English merchant of Welsh
descent? I’m not sure, but I did find this to be an interesting story.

Peter Macdonald’s article on The Naming of America" can be found on the BBC’
s Web site at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/discovery/exploration/americaname_01.shtml		10/13/2002 7:43:57
Re: Edward Poythress, Mecklenburg Co., Va.Lyn and Others,

I am a twice great grandson of John Lewis Poythress (JLP). My family has
passed along a handwritten chart that shows JLP as the son of James Edward
Poythress (JEP), who was married to Catherine Preston. Is this Possibly the
Edward mentioned in this previous e-mail? They also show JEP as the son of
Lewis Poythress and his second wife, Rebecca Taylor.

Sarah, if you are still out there, I know that you were searching for proof
of JLP's father. Have you had any luck? Any ideas on any areas that you
haven't searched?

I recently found the grave marker for JLP in Vance County, and it spelled his
middle name as 'Louis'. It also looked like a new marker. Did someone
recently have this placed?

Any info on John Lewis Poythress would be greatly appreciated.

Kevin N. Poythress



10/14/2002 2:00:56
Back onTeresa WillisHey guys,
I'm back again....I finally just got a new computer and that seems to have done the trick. Seems my hard drive was about shot. Maybe I won't get the old boot now...

Sara...I have to send through this because I don't have your email in front of me. I don't think I will be able to go to the library when Miranda goes to VCU...she has not been able to find anyone to go with her...so we will have to make it another time. But I was wondering if you would be interested in going with me to tour the James River Plantations, some time in the near future. I thought about maybe going after the Christmas decorations are up. Don't know if that is something you would be interested in, if so let me know.

Also to all,
I don't know if my email about this made it to the list, if so excuse the repeat. Just wanted to pass on a good book. Any Civil Was enthusiast, The Guns of the South, is a must read. (written by:Harry Turtledove)
Teresa



10/14/2002 5:09:48
John Lewis/Louis Poythress, buried in Vance Co, NCCharles NealHi Kevin,

I am curious to find out if the handwritten chart that your family has
passed along is another copy of one I have seen before. The reason I want
to know is because the one I've seen (& I've described below) is the only
item that has shown a "John Lewis Poythress" as being related to my
great-great-grandparents, James Edward Poythress & Catherine Preston.

The 8 children of James E. Poythress (born 13 Aug 1803) & his wife
Catherine Preston who were listed in various Census records (which you can
see transcribed at our Poythress genealogy website) did not include a "John
Lewis Poythress." Our website is: ,
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
and the Census info can be seen by clicking on "Census Records" down on the
left side of the webpage.

These same 8 children were also listed in the old family Bible-style record
passed down in my branch of the Poythress family since it was copied with a
quill on the 9th of August 1938 by my Dad's cousin Ben Poythress, on the
day before Ben's 18th birthday. Ben copied it from an older, fragile family
record then held by his uncle, Nathan Hamet Poythress, who had gotten it
from his father, Algernon Edward Poythress (a son of James E. Poythress).
Copies of the old Poythress-Preston family Bible-style record that Ben
Poythress copied in 1938 can be seen in the Bible records at the Library of
Virginia's website, as Accession #34866.

The oldest son on the Census records (& on the old Poythress-Preston family
Bible-style record that Ben Poythress copied in 1938) is Joshua Lewis
Poythress, who was born 10 Nov 1828 per the family record. He is not
identical to your John Lewis/Louis Poythress. Joshua Lewis Poythress
married Elizabeth J. Crowder in the fall of 1852 before he & his parents &
younger siblings all moved to Sumter County, Alabama. Per the same family
record, Joshua Lewis Poythress & his wife Elizabeth had one son, William
Huel Poythress (named for Joshua's next-younger brother). Sadly Joshua
Lewis died 12 Jun 1854 & this son died a few weeks later, on 21 July 1854.

Kevin, if the handwritten chart that your family has passed along looks
different from the one I've described below, I sure would greatly
appreciate the opportunity to get a photocopy of the one your family has.
The one I have seen before that shows JLP as the son of James Edward
Poythress (JEP), who was married to Catherine Preston, is filed at home so
I'm not looking at it right now, but I've previously described it in my
genealogy database as follows:

- It has no title across the top of the sheet, and no indication of when
the chart was written out or who compiled it. Across the top of it is
printed by hand:
"Louis Poythress, Born 1775?"

- It lists only one purported line of descent from "Louis Poythress",
specifying descent from one grandson "John Lewis Poythress," [I understand
that he was said to have been born in Mecklenburg Co, VA on 29 Aug 1829, &
to have died 27 Feb 1905], who married Tabitha Ann Nunn (no date or place
given for their marriage).

- The sheet gives the name of their son "Joseph S. Poythress" (born 19 Sep
1869), who married "Lucy Stainback" (born 21 Sep 1873). The date and place
of their marriage is not given on the sheet.

- The sheet lists their 11 children, with only their names and birthdates
-- no places of birth & no other info about the 11 children.

- The printing by hand on the sheet is done in current-day-style of
hand-printing (By this I mean it is not in old script).

In my years of research, I learned back in June 1994 from Claude Raymond
Poythress of Zebulon, NC (near Henderson, NC) that he had obtained his
photocopy of this same handwritten sheet as a handout (giving no compiler's
name) on an unattended table at a Poythress Family Reunion held on a Sunday
afternoon in about Spring or Summer 1978 in a tobacco warehouse in
Henderson, NC.

Claude Raymond Poythress and his wife had just moved back to NC in April of
1978. He attempted, in vain, to determine who had made the sheet
available.

He noted that this was the only handout available at the Reunion. In June
of 1994, he described that 1978 Reunion as being attended by 100 or more
people; as having no host, no registry, and no refreshments; and being
"nothing more involved than people displaying pictures of their families,
etc."

I'm glad to know you tracked down the grave of John Lewis/Louis Poythress
in Vance County, NC. I would appreciate knowing which cemetery?

Thanks for any light you can shed on this question re the handwritten
chart.
Barbara (BPN)
= = = = = = =

From: KPoythress@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:00:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Edward Poythress, Mecklenburg Co., Va.
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Lyn and Others,

I am a twice great grandson of John Lewis Poythress (JLP). My family has
passed along a handwritten chart that shows JLP as the son of James Edward
Poythress (JEP), who was married to Catherine Preston. Is this Possibly the
Edward mentioned in this previous e-mail? They also show JEP as the son of
Lewis Poythress and his second wife, Rebecca Taylor.

Sarah, if you are still out there, I know that you were searching for proof
of JLP's father. Have you had any luck? Any ideas on any areas that you
haven't searched?

I recently found the grave marker for JLP in Vance County, and it spelled
his middle name as 'Louis'. It also looked like a new marker. Did someone
recently have this placed?

Any info on John Lewis Poythress would be greatly appreciated.

Kevin N. Poythress		10/14/2002 6:08:26
Fw: John Lewis/Louis Poythress, buried in Vance Co, NCDale Poythress>In answer to Barbara & Kevin's e-mail.
PLEASE CHECK INSERTS
> Kevin, if the handwritten chart that your family has passed along looks
> different from the one I've described below, I sure would greatly
> appreciate the opportunity to get a photocopy of the one your family has.
> The one I have seen before that shows JLP as the son of James Edward
> Poythress (JEP), who was married to Catherine Preston, is filed at home so
> I'm not looking at it right now, but I've previously described it in my
> genealogy database as follows:
>
> - It has no title across the top of the sheet, and no indication of when
> the chart was written out or who compiled it. Across the top of it is
> printed by hand:
> "Louis Poythress, Born 1775?"
>
> - It lists only one purported line of descent from "Louis Poythress",
> specifying descent from one grandson "John Lewis Poythress," [I understand
> that he was said to have been born in Mecklenburg Co, VA on 29 Aug 1829, &
> to have died 27 Feb 1905], who married Tabitha Ann Nunn (no date or place
> given for their marriage).
>
> - The sheet gives the name of their son "Joseph S. Poythress" (born 19
Sep
> 1869), who married "Lucy Stainback" (born 21 Sep 1873). The date and
place
> of their marriage is not given on the sheet.
>
> - The sheet lists their 11 children, with only their names and birthdates
> -- no places of birth & no other info about the 11 children.

THIS SHEET WAS COMPILED BY BRAXTON POYTHRESS, first cousin to Dale & Kevin's
father,
from information furnished him by the older family members living at that
time.
> - The printing by hand on the sheet is done in current-day-style of
> hand-printing (By this I mean it is not in old script).
>
> In my years of research, I learned back in June 1994 from Claude Raymond
> Poythress of Zebulon, NC (near Henderson, NC) that he had obtained his
> photocopy of this same handwritten sheet as a handout (giving no
compiler's
> name) on an unattended table at a Poythress Family Reunion held on a
Sunday
> afternoon in about Spring or Summer 1978 in a tobacco warehouse in
> Henderson, NC.
>
> Claude Raymond Poythress and his wife had just moved back to NC in April
of
> 1978. He attempted, in vain, to determine who had made the sheet
> available.

THIS REUNION WAS HELD AT THE NC ARMORY IN HENDERSON - It was a large covered
dish dinner with speakers, pictures & cousins exchanging their stories.
Evidently Claude Raymond was late getting there for the dinner & it was to
hot to leave the food out for late commers.>
> He noted that this was the only handout available at the Reunion. In June
> of 1994, he described that 1978 Reunion as being attended by 100 or more
> people; as having no host, no registry, and no refreshments; and being
> "nothing more involved than people displaying pictures of their families,
> etc."
>
> I'm glad to know you tracked down the grave of John Lewis/Louis Poythress
> in Vance County, NC. I would appreciate knowing which cemetery? NEW
BETHEL BAPTIST CHURCH
EPSOM, NC - Epsom is divided by the Franklin Vance County Line
> Thanks for any light you can shed on this question re the handwritten
> chart.
> Barbara (BPN)
> = = = = = = =
>
>Kevin, check inserts.
> Lyn and Others,
>
> I am a twice great grandson of John Lewis Poythress (JLP). My family has
> passed along a handwritten chart that shows JLP as the son of James Edward
> Poythress (JEP), who was married to Catherine Preston. Is this Possibly
the
> Edward mentioned in this previous e-mail? They also show JEP as the son of
> Lewis Poythress and his second wife, Rebecca Taylor.
>
> Sarah, if you are still out there, I know that you were searching for
proof
> of JLP's father. Have you had any luck? Any ideas on any areas that you
> haven't searched?

> KEVIN, I am going to the Virginia Library tomorrow, I am going with the
Granville County Genealogy Society
for 2 days of research. I hope I have some luck this time. I never have had
much on my own, so maybe our leader can tell me where to search.

> I recently found the grave marker for JLP in Vance County, and it spelled
> his middle name as 'Louis'. It also looked like a new marker. Did someone
> recently have this placed? Yes Joyce Forsythe Clark placed them there. You
will find her under the print out I gave you. Look under JLP & Tabitha Ann's
children.
Fannie Courtney P. m. Doc Gupton They had Oliver Elizabeth Gupton m. D.L.
Forsythe & had Joyce.

> Any info on John Lewis Poythress would be greatly appreciated.

> Kevin N. Poythress
Good to here from you again. Sarah

> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Geneaology Research Web
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
>		10/15/2002 3:52:45
Teresa Back onCharles NealWelcome back, Teresa. Glad your new computer has solved your problem.

I can vouch for the fact that touring the James River Plantations is a lot
of fun & can certainly remind one of what life may have been like for some
of our ancestors.

Barbara (BPN)



10/15/2002 4:30:41
Re: Fw: John Lewis/Louis Poythress, buried in Vance Co, NC



10/16/2002 2:06:21
Fw: John Lewis/Louis Poythress, buried in Vance Co, NCCharles NealSarah & Kevin,

Thanks so much for your messages which have clarified so much for me
regarding the handwritten chart & the 1978 Reunion in Henderson. Sarah, as
a matter of fact in reading your comments, it seems to me that Claude
Raymond Poythress did comment (back in 1994) that they were late getting
there for the Reunion dinner.

Sarah, if you have any more recent idea on who could've been the father of
John Lewis/Louis Poythress, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

>THIS SHEET WAS COMPILED BY BRAXTON POYTHRESS,
>first cousin to Dale & Kevin's father, from information furnished
>him by the older family members living at that time.

>THIS REUNION WAS HELD AT THE NC ARMORY IN
>HENDERSON - It was a large covered dish dinner with
>speakers, pictures & cousins exchanging their stories.
>Evidently Claude Raymond was late getting there for the
>dinner & it was to hot to leave the food out for late commers.

Sarah & Kevin, thanks also for the info on the location & recent addition
of the grave marker for JLP in Vance County at
>NEW BETHEL BAPTIST CHURCH
>EPSOM, NC - Epsom is divided by the Franklin
>Vance County Line

placed there recently by
>Joyce Forsythe Clark placed them there. You will find her
>under the print out I gave you. Look under JLP & Tabitha
>Ann's children. Fannie Courtney P. m. Doc Gupton They
>had Oliver Elizabeth Gupton m. D.L. Forsythe & had Joyce.

Thanks again,
Barbara (BPN)		10/16/2002 5:41:24
Bad, Bad News- Virginia's Digital Library Program Curtailed

Bad news. The very popular Library of Virginia's Digital Library Program is
about to close or perhaps only be "suspended." This online collection has
become what is probably the best resource on the web for researchers of
Virginia ancestors. It has a wealth of digital images of pages from old
family Bibles, confederate pension applications, land deeds, and many other
genealogically important resources. However, the site is no longer funded.

A statement on the Library of Virginia Web site says:


>
> >> The Library of Virginia—the Commonwealth of Virginia’s official research
>> library and archival repository serving government officials, state and
>> local agencies, public libraries, college faculty, students, historians,
>> and genealogists—has experienced several rounds of budget reductions
>> during the past two years. The cumulative effect has been a 28 percent
>> permanent reduction in the Library’s overall general fund appropriation
>> (22 percent of that occurring with the 7 and 15 percent reductions this
>> fiscal year). The Library has had to absorb a disproportionate amount of
>> these cuts internally rather than pass them on in full measure to
>> localities and other state agencies that receive funding through the
>> Library’s budget. Thus, the net effect of the past two years (including
>> the 15 percent reduction announced by Governor Warner on October 15, 2002)
>> has been a loss to the Library’s operating budget of a staggering 39
>> percent.
>>
>>
>
The same page details a long list of planned cutbacks, including the layoff
of 23 full-time staff (out of a maximum employment level of 216) and 17
part-time staff, with an additional 19 vacant positions that will not be
filled—leaving a total staffing shortfall of 59 valued individuals. The Web
page then lists:
>
> >> Elimination of the Digital Library Program, which has allowed the Library
>> to make heavily-used collections available to researchers through the
>> Library’s Web site
>
You can read the full statement at:
http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whoweare/events/reducsummary.htmNote that the
official statement on the Library of Virginia Web site says "Elimination of
the Digital Library Program." However, an e-mail from an official at the
Library offers a somewhat different statement, saying that the existing
digital program will remain on line, but will not be updated. Without funds,
no further historical records will be preserved through the Imaging Services
Program.There seems to be little recourse to genealogists, other than to
those who live and vote in Virginia. As long as the state residents and
elected officials impose heavy financial constraints on state agencies,
actions like this are inevitable.My thanks to Mary Taffet for alerting me to
this bad news.To discuss this story further, please visit the newsletter
message board at http://www.RootsForum.com and click on "Message Board."		10/20/2002 5:54:18
Bad, Bad NewsSorry, I did not "credit" Eastman's Genealogy Newsletter on that announcement
as they usually reproduce on that yellow background with their name. It
fooled me and came out "white" this time.

Other bad news is that Ancestry.com has decided to no longer sponsor Dick
Eastman's newsletter. He says he will have to hang it up unless he gets
another sponsor in a few weeks.

Maynard



10/20/2002 6:19:45
Obit Bryant Richardson PoythressCharles NealAn undated clipping that I just received regarding the death last month of
Bryant Richardson Poythress, Jr., probably came from the Santa Barbara,
California newspaper "Santa Barbara News-Press." The clipping reads as
follows:

Poythress, Bryant R.: 84, of Santa Barbara; died Sept. 28; private
services; memorial contributions to Sansum Medical Research Institute's
diabetes research, 2219 Bath St., Santa Barbara 93105 or Arthritis
Foundation, 2942 De La Vina St., Santa Barbara 93105; arrangements by
McDermott-Crockett Mortuary.		10/22/2002 5:29:57
Poythress Variations - Tidbits from Ancestry WebsiteI do not know if some of these people are Poythress' but just in case, I
will post them.

1850 Halifax County, NC Federal Census Page 9, Line 25

Elizabeth Potris, age 18, Female, Mulatto, born Halifax,
She is living in the home of the Whitehead family.

Virginia Marriages to 1800
Peter Poites married Caty Riche, Washington County, 1 Oct. 1799.

Brunswick County, Virginia Births 1880-96

Paythress, No Name
Birth Date: 30 Nov. 1880
Sex: Female
Race: White
Mother: Ann
Father: William
Page 339

Paythress, No Name
Birth Date: 5 Sept. 1883
Sex: Male
Race: White
Mother: Mary
Father: William
Page 374

Paythress, William
Birth Date: 5 Sept. 1882
Sex: Male
Race: White
Mother: Lucy
Father: James
Page 360

Brunswick County, Virginia Births 1874-79

Paythress, Susan
Birth Date: Aug. 1878
Race: White
Father: James
Mother: Lucy
Page 301

Take care.
Elaine		10/24/2002 1:45:16
??Wm. Poythrefs-N.D.Vaughn Household - 1880 Warren Co. NCWhile browsing some census images I ran across this Poythress. He is living
in the Household of N.D. Vaughn. N.D. Vaughn married Mary E.Poythress,
daughter of David Poythress on May 17, 1861 in Warren County, NC.

1880 Federal Census - Warren County, NC - Smith Creek District - E.D. 283
Pages 14 & 15 - Lines 46 - 50 and line 1.

Household 129

Vaughn, N.D, White, Male, age 40, married , Farmer, born NC, father born Va,
mother born VA, he had a sickness or disability that made him unable to
attend to business
?? Lh--ial or Sh--ial Deas.

Mary A., White, Female, age 40, wife, married, Keeping house, born VA, father
born VA, mother born VA.

Mary E., White, Female, age 19, daughter, single, at home, born VA, father
born Va, mother born VA

Lucy T., White, Female, age 6/12, born Dec. in census year, daughter,single,
born N.C. father born VA, mother born VA.

Poythrefs, ??Wm., White, Male, age 39, brother-in-law, single, works on
farm, born VA, father born VA, mother born VA.

Line 1 page 15

?? Honworth, Stephen, Black, Male, age 24, Laborer, Single, works on farm,
cannot read or write, born VA, father born VA, mother born VA.

This Poythress raises more questions, than provides answers, I am afraid. As
far as I know, there has never been mention of a ? Wm. Poythress as a son of
David Poythress. He was not included in the Estate Administration of David
or on any of the Census' found for David Poythress.

A possibility, this guy could have been married to N.D.Vaughn's sister. I
find this unlikely but not impossible, because he is listed as single and not
widowed. He could be divorced but it seems unlikely that he would be living
in the home of his Ex-Brother-in-law.

He also cannot be George W. Poythress, son of David Poythress, because in
1880 George and family are on the Chatam County, NC census, via a post to the
List on 7 July 1997.

So who is this guy? Does anyone know or want to render a guess?

Take care,
Elaine		10/24/2002 7:30:46
Lewis Poythress 1870 Virginia CensusThis would be Lewis Y. Poythress son of Lewis Poythress.

1870 Federal Census - Greensville Co, VA - ?Belfield Township - Date 20 July
1870

Page 22 - Lines 7-9

Household 197

Poythress, Lewis - age 51, Male, White, Farmer,born VA
" " Mary - age 60, Female, White, Keeping House, born VA
Childs, Ann - age 28, Female, White, At Home, born VA

Hope everyone is well.
Elaine		10/24/2002 7:37:48
1850 Screven County, GA - Federal CensusMaynard, aren't these part of your line? Isn't this the Hester that was the
2nd wife of Meredith Sr. or Jr. Has that ever been determined? By the age
of the youngest child, if this is Hesters daughter, I would say Jr., because
this 5 year old was born 10 years to late to be Meredith Sr.'s, if he died
around 1839. Has a marriage record been found that says it was a Meredith
Poythress that she married?

1850 Federal Census - Screven County, GA - District 74 - Enum. Date 6 Sept.
1850

Page 42, lines 36 - 42

Household 297
Issac Poythress, age 22, Male, Farmer, $700 Estate Value, born S.C., married
within the year.
Mary " " age 20, Female, born S.C., married within the year,
cannot read or write.


Household 298
Hester Poythress, age 55, Female, Farmeress, $800 Estate Value, born S.C,
cannot read or write.
William " ", age 18, Male, Farmer, born S.C.,
Mary A. " ", age 14, Female, born GA
Lucy M. " ", age 9, Female, born GA
Jane " ", age 5, Female, born GA

Page 74&75, Lines 39 - 42 and line 1
Household 560
Elizabeth Best, age 48, Female, Farmeress, $300 Estate Value, born GA
George " ", age 15, male, born GA
Vicy " ", age 12, female, born GA
James " ", age 10, male, born GA
next page: Ruthy Poythress, age 10, female, born GA

Elaine		10/24/2002 9:12:30
1850 Screven County CensusJohn M PoythressRe: Hester Wilder Mock Poythress. Logic and confusing circumtances to the contrary, she is the wife of Meredith Poythress, Sr.

Why ?: Sr. was participating in the estate of James Mock "by right of his wife Hester" while Jr. almost simutaneously was participating in the estate of John Maner "by right of his wife Susan R. Maner." Birthdates of Jr.'s children are on both sides of the date of Sr. participating in the right of James Mock's estate.

Isaac Poythress (living next door) is a son of marriage between Sr. & Hester Wilder Mock as are 4 other siblings who are the only children of Sr. & Hester....none of which are those named in household 298 (adults by then).

Also in 1850 census is one John Poythress married to Marian (sic-should be Maryann or Mary Ann) 28, F. This John is likely also a son of Sr. & Hester Wilder Mock. He is also likely the progenitor for Bud Poythess but that is a matter on which Bud and I disagree.

My guess is that Sr. died in 1839...but only because he was not in 1840 census but was known to have been alive shortly prior to 1840 and 1839 gives him the "most" time.

I am not familiar with the connection between the Best family and that of Meredith Poythress, Jr. It could be almost anything.
However, I am inclined to believe the little girl "Ruthy" was counted twice: once in the family of Meredith Poythress, Jr. and Susan R. Maner and once in the family of Elizabeth Best.

As for those "unidentified" other children in the 1850 census, what can I say....the record shows she was a fecund lady.

Maynard		10/24/2002 9:53:29
Poythress in N.D.Vaughn Household - 1880 Warren Co. NCCharles NealElaine,

Thanks so much for posting all the census info you've been finding.

Two points re your message captioned: "??Wm. Poythrefs-N.D.Vaughn Household
- 1880 Warren Co. NC"

- We need to be sure to transcribe the name as "Poythress" and not as
"Poythrefs" when we are typing transcriptions, so that when we (or others)
later use the "search" mechanism at RootsWeb, we will find all the
Poythress references. As we know from Val Greenwood's excellent book on
American genealogical research (and from numerous other sources), the
old-style handwriting used what looks to our modern eye like "fs" just
purely as a double s (or "ss"). Their old-style lowercase letter "f" was a
bit different from the first stroke of the "ss" and I'm sure their eyes
didn't even see the first part of the "ss" as looking like the "f" at all.

- In looking at the census image, I do not read his disability quite like
you did, though to me it is still not legible as words that I recognize.
To me instead of it looking like "Lh--ial or Sh--ial Deas" rather it looks
distinctly like the first word begins with "S" and the 2nd word begins with
"B"

Thanks again,
Barbara (BPN)
= = = =

From: Denver145@aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:30:46 EDT
Subject: ??Wm. Poythrefs-N.D.Vaughn Household - 1880 Warren Co. NC
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

While browsing some census images I ran across this Poythress. He is
living in the Household of N.D. Vaughn. N.D. Vaughn married Mary
E.Poythress, daughter of David Poythress on May 17, 1861 in Warren County,
NC.

1880 Federal Census - Warren County, NC - Smith Creek District - E.D. 283
Pages 14 & 15 - Lines 46 - 50 and line 1.

Household 129

Vaughn, N.D, White, Male, age 40, married , Farmer, born NC, father born
Va, mother born VA, he had a sickness or disability that made him unable to
attend to business ?? Lh--ial or Sh--ial Deas.

Mary A., White, Female, age 40, wife, married, Keeping house, born VA,
father born VA, mother born VA.

Mary E., White, Female, age 19, daughter, single, at home, born VA, father
born Va, mother born VA

Lucy T., White, Female, age 6/12, born Dec. in census year,
daughter,single, born N.C. father born VA, mother born VA.

Poythrefs, ??Wm., White, Male, age 39, brother-in-law, single, works on
farm, born VA, father born VA, mother born VA.

Line 1 page 15

?? Honworth, Stephen, Black, Male, age 24, Laborer, Single, works on farm,
cannot read or write, born VA, father born VA, mother born VA.

This Poythress raises more questions, than provides answers, I am afraid.
As far as I know, there has never been mention of a ? Wm. Poythress as a
son of David Poythress. He was not included in the Estate Administration
of David or on any of the Census' found for David Poythress.

A possibility, this guy could have been married to N.D.Vaughn's sister. I
find this unlikely but not impossible, because he is listed as single and
not widowed. He could be divorced but it seems unlikely that he would be
living in the home of his Ex-Brother-in-law.

He also cannot be George W. Poythress, son of David Poythress, because in
1880 George and family are on the Chatam County, NC census, via a post to
the List on 7 July 1997.

So who is this guy? Does anyone know or want to render a guess?

Take care,
Elaine		10/24/2002 12:59:49
A Poythress obit.Julian and Ruth BellHi friends --
The other day, I was painting a model sailboat for my grandson
and spread some newspaper sheets to diminish the likelihood of my being
scolded for any potential damage to the old dining room table. Doing so,
I noticed an obituary in the Saturday, February 23, 2002 edition of the
Richmond (VA) Times-Dispatch that may or may not be of interest to some
of us. In that there is no listing of any grandchildren of F.A. by his
son Robert, apparently F.A.'s line ended with Robert. In any case, a
transcription of the obit. follows:

POYTHRESS
Roberta Horne Poythress, 84, of Mechanicsville, passed away February 22,
2002. She was preceded in death by her husband of 55 years, F.A.
Poythress; a sister, Grace Horne; and three brothers, Robert L. Horne,
Frank Horne and Martin Horne. She is survived by two daughters, Laura P.
Butterfield and her husband, James, and Elizabeth P. Thompson; a son,
Robert A Poythress and his wife Nancy; three grandchildren, Michael J.
Butterfield, Ernest "Happy" Thompson, Jr. and Randolph A Thompson; two
sisters, Louise H Tudor and Mattie Sue Montague; six great-grandchildren;
and a special family friend, Beverly Massie. Her remains rest at the
Mechanicsville Chapel of Bennett Funeral Home, 8014 Lee Davis Rd., where
the family will receive friends 2 to 4 and 6 to 8 p.m. Sunday, and where
a funeral service will be conducted 1 p.m. Monday, February 25.
Interment will follow in Signal Hill Memorial Park. In lieu of flowers,
donations may be made to Fairmount Memorial Baptist Church, 4205
Ravenswood Rd., Richmond, VA 23222.

-- Julian P. Bell II BellJP@juno.com Jeremiah 33:3 (KJV)		10/25/2002 3:03:50
RE: Poythress Variations - Tidbits from Ancestry WebsiteLyn BairdElaine et. al., please see my additions in-line. Elaine, thanks so much for
sharing.

Best regards,
Lyn


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:45 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress Variations - Tidbits from Ancestry Website


I do not know if some of these people are Poythress' but just in case, I
will post them.

1850 Halifax County, NC Federal Census Page 9, Line 25

Elizabeth Potris, age 18, Female, Mulatto, born Halifax,
She is living in the home of the Whitehead family.

Virginia Marriages to 1800
Peter Poites married Caty Riche, Washington County, 1 Oct. 1799.

Brunswick County, Virginia Births 1880-96

Paythress, No Name
Birth Date: 30 Nov. 1880 [MAY BE Martha A. POYTHRESS, b?. February 1880;
granddaughter of Thomas M. and Lucy Thomas POYTHRESS of Mecklenburg Co., Va.
and daughter of William Lewis and Anna "Ella" Jones POYTHRESS]
Sex: Female
Race: White
Mother: Ann
Father: William
Page 339

Paythress, No Name [information does not fit anyone I have]
Birth Date: 5 Sept. 1883
Sex: Male
Race: White
Mother: Mary
Father: William
Page 374

Paythress, William [William Thomas "Willie" POYTHRESS, b. 5 September 1882,
d. 28 December 1943; grandson of Thomas M. and Lucy Thomas POYTHRESS of
Mecklenburg Co., Va.; also my grand-uncle and, if I recall correctly, the
great-grandfather of Teresa Willis of our list]
Birth Date: 5 Sept. 1882
Sex: Male
Race: White
Mother: Lucy
Father: James
Page 360

Brunswick County, Virginia Births 1874-79

Paythress, Susan [Susan Mary POYTHRESS, b. 20 August 1878, d. 22 April 1958;
granddaughter of Thomas M. and Lucy Thomas POYTHRESS of Mecklenburg Co., Va.
also my grand-aunt]
Birth Date: Aug. 1878
Race: White
Father: James
Mother: Lucy
Page 301

Take care.
Elaine




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John Poythress 1850 Granville Co., NC 1850 Federal CensusDoes anyone know who this fellow is? Lyn did some of your Tanner line go to
Granville?

1850 Federal Census - Granville County, NC - Abraham Hane District
Page 10 - Lines 8-11

Household 73

Mortimer D. Tanner, age 27, Male, Farmer, born Virginia
Elizabeth " ", age 22, Female, born Virginia
Leonora " ", age 2, Female, born Virginia
John Poythrep, age 21, Male, born Virginia


Elaine		10/25/2002 5:08:25
Question about Land Lottery - Wm Poythress and Captains Dist. PoythressI must admit, other than why there was a Land Lottery, I am clueless at this
point. Could someone explain what the Captains District is?

I found this on Ancestry and do not know what it means.

Page 201
Fortunate Drawer - William Poythress R.S.
Captains District: Gordan
Number 177
Dist. 31
County: Lee

There are several people who were Fortunate Drawers in Captains District:
Poythress. Would that mean land owned by a Poythress?

Your tutorial in Land Lotteries will be grately appreciated.
Elaine		10/25/2002 5:23:36
S.J. Poythress??Found this spelling from Brunswick Co., VA Births 1880-96 on Ancestry.

S.J. Polythress, Born Feb. 19, 1884, male, white, mother-Lucy, father-James,
page 392.

Elaine		10/25/2002 5:35:12
Florida Poythress MarriageFlorida Marriages 1851-75 from Ancestry.

Jemmin Poythess married Augustus Files, 17 Feb. 1855 in Gadsden, FL.
I wonder if this is a relation of George Poythress b. about 1764 VA d. about
1832 FL?
Elaine		10/25/2002 5:42:27
Wm. D. Poythress 1860 Census - Dinwiddie VAIf I am driving you all nuts, let me know. I get excited no matter what I
find. Most of the time, I don't even know who these people belong to. That
is what I hope to learn, from someone who does know who they are. I may be
repeating alot of things, others have already found.

Lyn, as to your thank you, in the earlier post, you are very welcome. I am
just trying to return the kindness, shown to me by alot of you on this list.

1860 Federal Census - Dinwiddie County, VA, Petersburg South Ward, Page 35

Lines 11&12

Household 322

Wm. D. Poythuss, age 23, Male, Grocer, $500 Real Estate, $100 Personal
Estate, born Virginia.
Louisa " " , age 25, Female, born Virginia.

Elaine
.		10/25/2002 6:23:48
Georgia ArchivesJohn M PoythressFor any of you planning a trip to the Georgia Archives, you might want to check the following "closures" connected with the move of the facility from downtown Atlanta to Morrow, Georgia. Morrow is about 30 miles east of Atlanta on I-20. Bad news is it's in the boonies; good news is no parking problems (or cost I'm told).

1 Nov. - 27 Mar. '03: main research room will remain open while they are boxing and shrinkwrapping the archival stuff (which the public usually can't access anyway). They say they will be operational in the research room but I'm not going to bet a trip to Atlanta on it.

29 Mar. - 22 Apr. '03 Main research, all records and facilities will close to the public for remaining records to be moved.

23 Apr. '03 - New building will open at 5800 Jonesboro Road, Morrow, GA in Clayton County and all service will resume.

Maynard		10/25/2002 9:50:37
A Poythress obit.Charles NealThanks so much, Julian, for posting the obituary for the widow of F. A.
Poythress.

When I saw your name, I couldn't help but wonder whether by any chance you
might possibly be a descendant from the Poythress whose first name I
believe (going only by memory here) was Littleberry, and who died in
Mississippi in the early-to-mid 1800s, and whose daughter married a Bell?

I was curious and looked up your Biblical reference with your signature,
Jeremiah 33:3 (KJV). I'm travelling & don't have the KJV with me, but the
Revised English Version has it as "If you call to me I shall answer, and
tell you great and mysterious things of which you are still unaware." I
reckon the reference is not meant genealogically, but just in case you were
giving us a clue that we should call on you to reveal all the Poythress
descendants from the Francis Poythress who was in Virginia in 1632, I'll
ask

Again, thanks for posting the obituary you found for us.
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)		10/26/2002 5:49:43
John Poythress 1850 Granville Co. Federal CensusDale PoythressElaine & List,

I think this is my John Lewis Poythress. He was born 29 Aug 1829 in
Mecklenburg Va. If information passed down from older family members is
correct he is the son of James Edward & Catherine Poythress. I know from BPN
that James & Catherine went to Alabama sometime after 1850. John Lewis being
in Granville Co. would account for his not going with them. I have not been
able to find a marriage date for him and Tabitha Ann Nunn. She was born in
NC and I was told that her mother was Mary Chandler Nunn. There is a Joshua
Nunn age 40 on the 1850 Granville Co., NC census with a Polly ( isn't this
the nickname for Mary?) age 35, John 16, Ann 14 (Tabitha Ann was called
Ann), Mary 12, Henrietta 9, Frances 7 and Jane 5. On the 1860 Mecklenburg
Co., VA John Lewis ,29 was listed with wife Tabitha Ann, age 22, Joshua
E.(Claude Raymond Poythress's Line) 4, b. VA, Susan A., 2 b. VA and Virginia
L., 1/2, b. VA. If you check the differance in JLP & TAN's age on each
census it is 7 years. Therefore I think this is the two of them. Anyone else
have any ideas? A years or more back Len thought he could have been Edward &
Mahaly's son. He was speculating that maybe John went to NC, met & married
and Edward & Mahaly came down for the wedding. If this is true they stayed
in Granville Co., NC (1860 Census)and John L. and Tabitha Ann went to
Mecklenburg Co., VA (1860 Census). I am still looking for proof of his
parents.

Sarah		10/27/2002 2:21:28
RE: S.J. Poythress??Lyn BairdSince James and Lucy are my great-grandparents, I feel obliged to chime in.
None of their children fit. Frank Garland POYTHRESS was born on 9 May 1884;
Sallie POYTHRESS was born 15 Feb 1886. My guess - it's Sallie with the
gender and the year mis-recorded or mis-transcribed.

Just as an aside, Sallie is the grandmother of the present owner of the
Poythress-Tanner Cemetery, and therefore at least some of the original Lewis
Poythress homestead in Mecklenburg, Va.

Best regards,
Lyn Baird


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 11:35 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: S.J. Poythress??


Found this spelling from Brunswick Co., VA Births 1880-96 on Ancestry.

S.J. Polythress, Born Feb. 19, 1884, male, white, mother-Lucy, father-James,
page 392.

Elaine


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RE: John Poythress 1850 Granville Co., NC 1850 Federal CensusLyn BairdElaine, agreeing with Sarah, my interpretation has always been that this was
John Lewis POYTHRESS. My favorite theory is that John Lewis POYTHRESS is
not the son of James Edward POYTHRESS, but rather the son of Edward
POYTHRESS and Mahala NANCE. I find it suggestive that John Lewis POYTHRESS
is residing in Granville Co., NC, in 1850 then in Mecklenburg Co., VA in
1860; whereas Edward POYTHRESS is residing in Mecklenburg Co., VA in 1850
then in Granville Co., NC in 1860.

This is the only axis or connection apparent to us so far between these two
geographic areas. My best understanding of the location of this Abraham
Plains district would be far western Granville. Granville touches far
western Mecklenburg Co., VA. Lewis POYTHRESS and children were on the very
eastern border of Mecklenburg Co. The lack of interaction between Granville
and Mecklenburg stands in sharp contract to the high amount of interation
observed between Warren, NC, and Mecklenburg.

Best regards,
Lyn Baird

-----Original Message-----
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To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: John Poythress 1850 Granville Co., NC 1850 Federal Census


Does anyone know who this fellow is? Lyn did some of your Tanner line go to
Granville?

1850 Federal Census - Granville County, NC - Abraham Hane District
Page 10 - Lines 8-11

Household 73

Mortimer D. Tanner, age 27, Male, Farmer, born Virginia
Elizabeth " ", age 22, Female, born Virginia
Leonora " ", age 2, Female, born Virginia
John Poythrep, age 21, Male, born Virginia


Elaine


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RE: A Poythress obit.Lyn BairdPerhaps it should be noted that this is the widow of Foxall Alexander
POYTHRESS, Jr., the twice-great grandson of Lewis POYTHRESS of Mecklenburg,
VA, as follows:

Lewis > Thomas M. > William Lewis > Foxall A., Sr. > Foxall A., Jr.

Best regards,
Lyn Baird


-----Original Message-----
From: Julian and Ruth Bell [mailto:belljp@juno.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:04 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: A Poythress obit.


Hi friends --
The other day, I was painting a model sailboat for my grandson
and spread some newspaper sheets to diminish the likelihood of my being
scolded for any potential damage to the old dining room table. Doing so,
I noticed an obituary in the Saturday, February 23, 2002 edition of the
Richmond (VA) Times-Dispatch that may or may not be of interest to some
of us. In that there is no listing of any grandchildren of F.A. by his
son Robert, apparently F.A.'s line ended with Robert. In any case, a
transcription of the obit. follows:

POYTHRESS
Roberta Horne Poythress, 84, of Mechanicsville, passed away February 22,
2002. She was preceded in death by her husband of 55 years, F.A.
Poythress; a sister, Grace Horne; and three brothers, Robert L. Horne,
Frank Horne and Martin Horne. She is survived by two daughters, Laura P.
Butterfield and her husband, James, and Elizabeth P. Thompson; a son,
Robert A Poythress and his wife Nancy; three grandchildren, Michael J.
Butterfield, Ernest "Happy" Thompson, Jr. and Randolph A Thompson; two
sisters, Louise H Tudor and Mattie Sue Montague; six great-grandchildren;
and a special family friend, Beverly Massie. Her remains rest at the
Mechanicsville Chapel of Bennett Funeral Home, 8014 Lee Davis Rd., where
the family will receive friends 2 to 4 and 6 to 8 p.m. Sunday, and where
a funeral service will be conducted 1 p.m. Monday, February 25.
Interment will follow in Signal Hill Memorial Park. In lieu of flowers,
donations may be made to Fairmount Memorial Baptist Church, 4205
Ravenswood Rd., Richmond, VA 23222.

-- Julian P. Bell II BellJP@juno.com Jeremiah 33:3 (KJV)


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more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/		10/27/2002 3:29:36
W. Troy Poythress obitDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionThe following obit was forwarded on to me from my GA cousins regarding a
member of our branch. W. Troy Poythress was the oldest son of Gazzie &
Minnie Louise Seckinger-Poythress and my 3rd cousin.

From the Savannah Morning News; October 18, 2002;

Sylvania Troy William Poythress, 89, died October 17 at Syl-View Health
Care.
He was a retired farmer, member and deacon at Farmdale Baptist Church, and
member of Ogeechee Hunting Club.
Survivors: wife, Virginia Ann Moore Poythress of Sylvania; stepdaughter and
son-in-law, Barbara and Al Hinson of Rincon; two stepsons and
daughter-in-law, Gene and Maxine Sheffield of Sylvania and Don Sheffield of
Newington; sister, Louise P. Lee of Sylvania; seven step-grandchildren;
eight step-great-grandchildren; and several nieces and nephews.
Funeral: 4:00 p.m. Friday at Thompson-Strickland-Waters Funeral Home Chapel,
with Rev. Vernon Edenfield officiating.
Burial: Screven County Memorial Cemetery.
Thompson-Strickland-Waters.



Thought you might find this interesting.

Debbie



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W. Troy Poythress obitCharles NealDebbie,

Thanks so much for this info & for your message earlier this month, "Gazzie
Poythress Census Info Screven Co, GA 1920."

The info in these two messages clarifies quite a bit about this line.
BPN		10/28/2002 1:25:29
Wm. D. Poythress 1860 Census - Dinwiddie VA & gravemarkersCharles NealThanks, Elaine, for the census info listing Wm. D & his wife Louisa in the
1860 census (copied at bottom here). For more on this couple, here is what
I read on their gravemarkers at Blandford Cemetery on October 16,1992. As
can be seen from these markers, their 2-yr old daughter Mollie had died
earlier, and was thus not in the household for the 1860 census.
Barbara (Bpn)

Blandford Cemetery Observations
Ward A, Square 2, Old ground

"William D. Poythress
Born
July 11, 1834
Died Jan. 29, 1919
To live in hearts we leave
behind, is not to die"

"To memory of
Louisa O. Poythress
Died
July 30, 1903
_____30_____
[Transcriber's note: in publishing"30" indicates end]
Safe at home"

"MOLLIE
"Only daughter of
Wm. D. and Louisa O. Poythress
Born January 13, 1857
Died October 29, 1859
The great Jehovah full of love,
An angel bright did send
And took my little harmless dove
To Joys that never end.
Fare well dear Mollie till we meet at the throne,
where love fears no parting and tears are unknown."
[Transcriber's note: Mollie's is a huge rectangular headstone. The
interment documentation for Mollie's grave plot in the Blandford Church
Cemetery Office, shows that the date of her death was as shown above,
October 29, 1859, but that the grave was removed on October 9th, 1872 from
its location in "W. D. Poythress' Garden" to this current location in
Blandford Cemetery]

= = = =
1860 Federal Census - Dinwiddie County, VA, Petersburg South Ward, Page 35
Lines 11&12
Household 322
Wm. D. Poythuss, age 23, Male, Grocer, $500 Real Estate, $100 Personal
Estate, born Virginia.
Louisa " " , age 25, Female, born Virginia.		10/28/2002 1:25:44
Poythress & Tanner census proximity 1850 NC & 1840 VACharles NealI agree with Sarah & Lyn that this 21-yr old John Poythress who was listed
in 1850 the Granville County, NC household of 27-yr-old Mortimer D. Tanner
(with 22-yr-old Elizabeth Tanner and 2-yr-old Leonora Tanner) is probably
John Lewis Poythress.

Lyn's hypothesis that this John Poythress is the son of Edward Poythress &
Mahala Nance is further supported by looking at our Poythress Research
website, at the transcriptions I did some years ago of the 1850 Virginia
Poythress Census entries. There in a note with the Edward Poythress
household (copied below), I had noticed that on the same page of the Census
one of the neighbor households [or "hh" below] was named Tanner.

This proximity in Mecklenburg Co, VA, of a Tanner household (which
unfortunately I did not transcribe when I was viewing the census pages) to
the household of 52-yr-old Edward Poythress & his wife, 47-yr-old Mahala,
in Mecklenburg Co, along with the presence in the same year's census of
21-yr-old John Poythress in the young Tanner household in Granville Co, NC,
makes me wonder whether perhaps Mortimer Tanner's wife, 22-yr-old
Elizabeth, might be a Poythress daughter of Edward Poythress.

A logical line of inquiry to pursue regarding that possibility, would be to
look at the 1840 Census record for the Edward Poythress household to see if
the numbers & sexes & ages of younger members of the household might
logically include not only the children in their 1850 household, but also
John and Elizabeth.

From the transcriptions I did years ago of Poythresses I had found in the
Virginia censuses for 1810 thru 1850, I see that in 1840 I did not locate
the Edward Poythress household in Virginia. Now I wonder if he was in NC
then, as well as later, in 1860??

I agree with Sarah that we should still look for proof of the parents of
John Lewis Poythress. It sure would be nice if some Tanner researcher
somewhere has information about Mortimer's wife's maiden name, and if some
Nunn researcher somewhere has information about the parents of Tabitha
Ann's husband John Lewis Poythress.

Barbara (BPN)
= = = = =
VA - Mecklenburg County "98th Regiment" portion of the county
Page stamped #63, handwritten #125,
(this page was enumerated on 27 Sept by the Census taker):

Household #241, Family #241
Edward Poythress 52 M, Va, Laborer
Mahala " , 47 F
Sarah A. " , 18 F
Harriett " , 16 F
George " , 12 M
[Note: on the same page with this household is a Wartman hh; a Lynch hh; a
Rook hh; a Tanner hh; a Wright hh; a hh with only Sally Wartman 46 &
Lucretia Nance 39; a hh with only Mary Rainey 40 & Drucilla Rainey 20; and
a hh with only John Merryman 40 and Parthia or Panthia Cleaton 40)		10/28/2002 1:25:55
John Poythress 1850 Granville Co. Federal CensusCharles NealWhile I agree with Sarah & Lyn that this 21-yr old John Poythress who was
listed in 1850 the Granville County, NC household of 27-yr-old Mortimer D.
Tanner (with 22-yr-old Elizabeth Tanner and 2-yr-old Leonora Tanner) is
probably John Lewis Poythress (who Sarah notes was born 29 Aug 1829), I
still do not think that John Lewis Poythress was a son of James Edward &
Catherine Poythress -- a son who happened to be living down in Granville
Co, NC rather than with his parents in Mecklenburg Co, VA.

The reason I don't believe he was the son of James E. & Catherine Poythess,
is that listed in their Family Bible Record is their eldest son, Joshua
showing his birthdate of 10 Nov 1828. Thus Joshua was born just 9 months
before the birthdate for John Lewis Poythress. (Yes, remotely possible to
have 2 sons born 9 months apart, but not likely) And the Family Bible
Record goes on to list 7 younger siblings. For all 8 of these listed
children, the record lists:

- birth dates & birth places;

- marriage dates & places & spouses' names for the 6 who lived long enough
to marry;

- and some death information.

It is just extremely hard for me to believe they would have completely left
off any mention of a proposed-2nd-eldest son from a record that is so
complete for 8 children, and also is complete for their first grandchild.

Additionally, from the 1850 census in Mecklenburg Co, VA, we know that all
8 of their children who are recorded on the Family Bible Record were still
living at home with James E. & Catherine Poythress. And all 8 of these
same children moved in 1853 with James E. & Catherine Poythress to Sumter
County, Alabama. All of this makes it even more unlikely to me that a
proposed-2nd-eldest son would be living in Granville Co, NC in the 1850
census.

For additional thoughts I have re this John Poythress in Granville Co, NC
in 1850, see my message today captioned "Poythress & Tanner census
proximity 1850 NC & 1840 VA"

Barbara (BPN)		10/28/2002 1:26:02
Re: Wm. D. Poythress 1860 Census - Dinwiddie VA & gravemarkersThanks for the extra information on this family BPN. This helps give
personality to this family. Every little detail, helps build a picture of
the lives of these people, when we find out something new about them.

Take care,
Elaine



10/28/2002 2:10:48
Re: Poythress & Tanner census proximity 1850 NC & 1840 VAHello all. I was thinking along the same lines as BPN, of Elizabeth and John
being siblings. I will see if I can locate Edward in 1840 and I will look at
the page Barbara mentioned in 1850, listing a Tanner family living close to
Edward and Mahaley. I will let you all know what I find out.

Elaine		10/28/2002 2:17:08
RE: Poythress & Tanner census proximity 1850 NC & 1840 VALyn BairdBarbara brings up an interesting possibility. Here is a transcription of
the Tanner and Poythress households she references (from the transcription
on the Mecklenburg rootsweb site):

Line; House#; Family#; Surname; Given Name; Age; Gender; Occupation; Value;
Birth State; In school?
20; 240; 240; TANNER; Evans; 54; M; Murchant; 2,175; VA
21; 240; 240; TANNER; Rebecca; 53; F; VA
22; 240; 240; TANNER; Araminta; 25; F; VA
23; 240; 240; TANNER; Andrew; 16; M; Laborer; VA
24; 240; 240; TANNER; Louisa; 13; F; VA; X
25; 240; 240; TANNER; Tom; 12; M; VA; X
26; 240; 240; TANNER; John; 10; M; VA; X
27; 240; 240; TANNER; Sally; 8; F; VA
28; 240; 240; TANNER; Melville; 6; M; VA
29; 240; 240; TANNER; Roberta; 3; F; VA
30; 241; 241; POYTHRESS; Edward; 52; M; Laborer; VA
31; 241; 241; POYTHRESS; Mahala; 47; F; VA
32; 241; 241; POYTHRESS; Sarah; A.; 47; F; VA
33; 241; 241; POYTHRESS; Harriett; 16; F; VA
34; 241; 241; POYTHRESS; George; 12; M; VA

Not only are they on the same page, but are adjacent households. Evans and
Rebecca are in a plausible age range to be the parents of Mortimer.

Would anyone be able to search for Edward Poythress in Granville in 1840?

Would anyone have access to marriages in NC and Virginia around 1845-50, and
search for a Mortimer D. Tanner to Elizabeth?

Would anyone like to volunteer to post a query to the Tanner rootsweb list?

Best regards,
Lyn Baird


-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Neal [mailto:BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:26 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress & Tanner census proximity 1850 NC & 1840 VA


I agree with Sarah & Lyn that this 21-yr old John Poythress who was listed
in 1850 the Granville County, NC household of 27-yr-old Mortimer D. Tanner
(with 22-yr-old Elizabeth Tanner and 2-yr-old Leonora Tanner) is probably
John Lewis Poythress.

Lyn's hypothesis that this John Poythress is the son of Edward Poythress &
Mahala Nance is further supported by looking at our Poythress Research
website, at the transcriptions I did some years ago of the 1850 Virginia
Poythress Census entries. There in a note with the Edward Poythress
household (copied below), I had noticed that on the same page of the Census
one of the neighbor households [or "hh" below] was named Tanner.

This proximity in Mecklenburg Co, VA, of a Tanner household (which
unfortunately I did not transcribe when I was viewing the census pages) to
the household of 52-yr-old Edward Poythress & his wife, 47-yr-old Mahala,
in Mecklenburg Co, along with the presence in the same year's census of
21-yr-old John Poythress in the young Tanner household in Granville Co, NC,
makes me wonder whether perhaps Mortimer Tanner's wife, 22-yr-old
Elizabeth, might be a Poythress daughter of Edward Poythress.

A logical line of inquiry to pursue regarding that possibility, would be to
look at the 1840 Census record for the Edward Poythress household to see if
the numbers & sexes & ages of younger members of the household might
logically include not only the children in their 1850 household, but also
John and Elizabeth.

From the transcriptions I did years ago of Poythresses I had found in the
Virginia censuses for 1810 thru 1850, I see that in 1840 I did not locate
the Edward Poythress household in Virginia. Now I wonder if he was in NC
then, as well as later, in 1860??

I agree with Sarah that we should still look for proof of the parents of
John Lewis Poythress. It sure would be nice if some Tanner researcher
somewhere has information about Mortimer's wife's maiden name, and if some
Nunn researcher somewhere has information about the parents of Tabitha
Ann's husband John Lewis Poythress.

Barbara (BPN)
= = = = =
VA - Mecklenburg County "98th Regiment" portion of the county
Page stamped #63, handwritten #125,
(this page was enumerated on 27 Sept by the Census taker):

Household #241, Family #241
Edward Poythress 52 M, Va, Laborer
Mahala " , 47 F
Sarah A. " , 18 F
Harriett " , 16 F
George " , 12 M
[Note: on the same page with this household is a Wartman hh; a Lynch hh; a
Rook hh; a Tanner hh; a Wright hh; a hh with only Sally Wartman 46 &
Lucretia Nance 39; a hh with only Mary Rainey 40 & Drucilla Rainey 20; and
a hh with only John Merryman 40 and Parthia or Panthia Cleaton 40)


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Re: Poythress & Tanner census proximity 1850 NC & 1840 VAI found this on Ancestry.com

Ancestry World Tree

Tanner, Mortimer David - born Dec. 31, 1822 Mecklenburg, VA, son of Evans
Tanner and Rebecca Collier, Spouse Elizabeth Walker, married on 21 Dec. 1846.
Children: Lucy b. 1852, Martha Rebecca b. Aug. 1854, Sally b. 1859, Leonora
b. 1860, all children born in Granville, NC.

Under Virginia Marriages 1740-1850

Mortimer D. Tanner and Elizabeth H. Walker, married in Mecklenburg, VA, on 21
Dec. 1846.

Well this rule out Elizabeth being the sister of John W. Poythress, wouldn't
you say?

Elaine		10/28/2002 3:25:55
John Lewis PoythressDale PoythressCopy from Lyn's earlier post with my inserts.

Elaine, agreeing with Sarah, my interpretation has always been that this was
John Lewis POYTHRESS. My favorite theory is that John Lewis POYTHRESS is
not the son of James Edward POYTHRESS, but rather the son of Edward
POYTHRESS and Mahala NANCE. I find it suggestive that John Lewis POYTHRESS
is residing in Granville Co., NC, in 1850 then in Mecklenburg Co., VA in
1860; whereas Edward POYTHRESS is residing in Mecklenburg Co., VA in 1850
then in Granville Co., NC in 1860.
John Lewis POYTHRESS is back in Mecklenburg Co., VA in 1860.

This is the only axis or connection apparent to us so far between these two
geographic areas. My best understanding of the location of this Abraham
Plains district would be far western Granville. Granville touches far
western Mecklenburg Co., VA. Lewis POYTHRESS and children were on the very
eastern border of Mecklenburg Co. The lack of interaction between Granville
and Mecklenburg stands in sharp contract to the high amount of interaction
observed between Warren, NC, and Mecklenburg.
Abraham Plains district was in Sassafras Fork. It's name was changed to
Stovall, NC.
Stovall is about 10 miles north of Oxford, 10 miles north of Henderson (both
are in NC)
and 10 miles from Clarksville, VA

This is some other information I have found in Oxford.
Elizabeth G. Poythress m. Henry P. Trewaller 12 May 1833 in Granville
County.
Does anyone know who she is?
George W. Poythress m. Permelia Redmon 13 May 1861 in Granville County
I think this is Edward & Mahala's son.
In the Mecklenburg County courthouse 24 Jan 1856 Sarah A V Poythress (21
single)
daughter of Edward & M. Poythress, Mecklenburg Co. m. German D. Redman (28 a
widow)
son of Collier & Ann Redman, Charlotte Co. VA. This is Edward's daughter.
Looking at these
two marriages it looks like Edward & Mahala were in Mecklenburg for Sarah's
wedding &
in Granville Co. for George's.

Birth - 15 April 1903 Gertrude Butler Poythress Parents J. Tom & Cora Evans
Poythress, Granville Co. I don't know who they are either.

1850 Granville Co., NC census John Lewis was living in a Tanner Household.
1860 Granville Co.,NC census Edward & Mahaly were living with a Johnson.

Lyn, when I can I will go to the Granville County Library & Courthouse &
look up
answers to your questions. I am not planning anything right now as my sister
is going
to see the surgeon tomorrow to see when he will be taking a tumor out of her
colon.
Thank God it is not malignant. She has a lot of other problems with her
heart & diabetes,
so keep her in your prayers. She is the sister that married Braxton
Poythress, Dale's cousin.

Sarah		10/28/2002 4:30:50
NC MarriagesPat AutryI pulled this from info I have. I am sure it is incomplete for
Poythress NC marriages after 1850.

Poythress type surname Spouse Date
Married NC County
Poythress, Joshua L. Crowder, Elizabeth J. 30 Sep
1852 Warren
Poythress, Mary E. Vaughan, N. D. 17 May
1861 Warren
Poytress, George Y. Redman, Permelia S. 16 May 1861
Granville

Portice, Elizabeth Morgan, Spier N. 22 Sep
1851 Halifax
Portice, Uriah Turner, Priscilla 9 Apr
1864 McDowell

Portis, Albert Harrad, Sarah 21 Feb
1860 Halifax
Portis, Elizabeth Carlisle Joseph Jno. 28 Jan
1852 Halifax
Portis, James Horn, Caroline 25 Jan
1855 Edgecombe
Portis, John McKinny, Frances 21 Dec
1865 Surry
Portis, Joseph Garner, Mary Jane 21 Aug
1866 Halifax
Portis, Lavenia Cook, Green L. 20 Dec
1860 Nash
Portis, Ralph Carlisle, Mary 17 May
1852 Halifax
Portis, Silas Ried, Rachel 28 Jun
1853 Surry
Portise, Silas Halaway, Bebeckea 24 Jul
1856 Guilford

There is someone who will do surname searches for you in NC marriage
records. Once she has pulled the information, she charges a dollar a
page for the summary listing (if my recollection is correct). It is not
where the above came from but she provides info along this line and then
you can contact the county or NC Archives.for a more detailed record.

Pat		10/28/2002 11:14:22
Re: Ire Poythress - Anyone?I don't have an Ire Poythress in my line but I do have an Ire (Irie) Peters
that continuously married into the Poythress line in Northampton County, NC.
Maybe a namesake?

Crystal 🙂



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Re: Poythress & Tanner census proximity 1850 NC & 1840 VALyn and all, I checked page by page the 1840 Granville County, NC and the
Mecklenburg County, Eastern and Western Divisions, VA. There is no Edward
Poythress in Granville, or any Poythress for that matter in Granville, NC,
in this census year. As BPN cited earlier from her census notes, he is also
not a Head of Household in Mecklenburg County. Since only Heads of Household
were listed in this census, he could very well be living in someone elses
home, thus explaining why he is not listed.

Take care,
Elaine		10/29/2002 5:32:48
Ire PortressBruce MillerHi,
I think this is Ira Portis from the John Portis family in that area.

Bruce



10/29/2002 8:14:32
Ire Poythress - Anyone?OK, I just have to throw this one out there. Sure took me by surprise, as
this name has never come up in any Poythress conversations on the list, I am
aware of.

From Census Images Ancestry.com
1810 Federal Census - Nash County, NC

Ire Portress - 2 males under 10, 1 male 26-44, one male 45 and over, 1 female
under 10, 1 female 26-44, 1 female 45 and over.

I did not find them in the 1820 Nash County, NC census.

Food for thought, don't you think? Ire is not a name that is popular with
the Poythress' we normally deal with. Has anyone ever run across this
before? Or does anyone have an Ire Poythress in their line?

Take care,
Elaine		10/29/2002 11:10:56
Re: Ire Poythress - Anyone?Crystal, that is very possible. In the 1800 Nash Co., NC Census, he is
listed as Irey Portifs. There is also a Jeremiah Portifs in the 1800 Nash
Co., NC Census. This is the first time I have encountered the name Ire, Irey
or Jeremiah with a possible connection to the surname Poythress. I found
neither, Ire, Irey or Jeremiah in the 1820 Nash Co. Census.

Elaine		10/30/2002 8:01:00
John Lewis Poythress > Edward Poythress evidenceLyn BairdPat, Barbara, Sarah and Elaine, I think the information you have provided
supports our theory that John Lewis Poythress is the son of Edward and
Mahaley Nance Poythress. When I piece together the evidence, here's what I
see:

1828 - Edward Poythress marries Mahala (Mahaley) Nance in Mecklenburg Co.,
Virginia
1846 - Mortimer D. Tanner, son of Evans and Rebecca Tanner, marries
Elizabeth Walker in Mecklenburg Co., Virginia
1850 - Evans and Rebecca Tanner are next-door neighbors of Edward and Mahaly
Poythress in Mecklenburg Co., Virginia
1850 - John Poythress, born about 1829, lives in the home of Mortimer and
Elizabeth Tanner in Granville Co., North Carolina
between 1850 and 1856 - (ca) John Lewis Poythress marries Tabitha Ann Nunn,
jurisdiction unknown
1856 - Sarah A. V. Poythress, daughter of Edward and Mahaley Poythress,
marries German D. Redman in Mecklenburg Co., Virginia
1860 - John Lewis and Tabitha Poythress reside in Mecklenburg Co., Virginia,
with their first three children
1860 - Edward and Mahaley Poythress, with adult daughter Elizabeth, reside
in Granville Co., North Carolina
1861 - George Y. Poythress marries Permelia S. Redman in Granville Co.,
North Carolina

At a minimum, we have as public record a John Poythress, of about the same
age as John Lewis Poythress, living in the home of the son of the immediate
neighbor of Edward and Mahaley Poythress. Correct?

My theory is that John Lewis Poythress, the eldest son of the poorer
neighbor (a laborer), hires out to the eldest son of the richer neighbor (a
merchant). John does alright and later his parents and siblings George and
Elizabeth follow the trail to Granville. John reverses direction for a
brief sojourn in Mecklenburg, but then returns to North Carolina and settles
for life. Brother George marries a near relative of his sister's husband.
Oh yes, and it should also be noted that Edward named his first son after
his father, Lewis, and his prematurely deceased brother, John; and his
second son after his Uncle George.

Please does anyone have the age and parents of George Y. Poythress as stated
on the Granville marriage register? Does anyone have a marriage of a
Harriett Poythress, b. ca 1834, between 1850 and 1870?

Happy hunting,
Lyn Baird		10/31/2002 2:45:08
Re: S.J. Poythress??My father is Samuel Jefferson Poythress the third of that name. (He calls himself Junior, but his dad and grandfather had the same name.

My great grand father had three brothers who moved to the Texas Louisianna border in the general time frame of after the civil war. I would be interested to know if this could be my great grandfather. Could you tell me more about Lucy and James?

Marianne Poythress Radding



11/01/2002 12:20:30
Bryant R. Poythress - 1920 CensusI have been trying to find Bryant Poythress in the 1920 census and was having
no luck. Since it is indexed it should have been a snap. I tried every
spelling for Poythress that I could think of. Since I have Ancestry, I
searched the engine using his first name only, Bryant R., and there he was.
I didn't know he had left the Meridian, MS area and I never would have
thought of this spelling for Poythress.

Alabama, Pickens County, 1920 Federal Census, ED 78, Sheet 2B, 3 Jan. 1920

Dwelling 36 , Lines 68-72

Patterss, Bryant R., Head, Rent, Male, White, age 38, Married, can read and
write, born Alabama, father born Virginia, mother born South Carolina, speaks
English, manager, ( ? something) Mill, Employer.

" " Bessie R., wife, female, white, age 30, married, can read and
write, born Miss., father born Miss., mother born Miss., speaks English,
House Keeping.

" " Marlyne, daughter, female, white, age 10, single, attended
school, can read and write,born Miss. father born Miss. mother born Miss.
speaks English.
( father born Miss. contradicts itself, by the other two childrens father
born Alabama).

" " Billie, son, male, white, age 7, single, attended school, can
read and write, born Miss, father born Alabama, mother born Miss., speaks
English.

" " Bryant Jr., son, male, white, age 4, single, born Miss., father
born Alabama, mother born Miss.,

If anyone happens to have found Bryant R. in the 1910 census and Charles W.
Poythress in the 1900 census, would you give me the sheet number and
Enumeration District.

Take care,
Elaine		11/04/2002 10:53:47
Bryant R. Poythress - 1920 CensusCharles NealThanks Elaine. Good work.
Bpn



11/04/2002 11:42:15
James David Poythress, 1856-1929, VirginiaLyn BairdMarianne, regarding James and Lucy, here you go:

James David Poythress; b. 15 Sep 1856 in Blackridge, Mecklenburg Co., Va.;
d. 2 Sep 1929 in Gasburg, Brunswick Co., Va.

Lucy Cannon Moseley; b. 21 May 1852 in White Plains, Brunswick Co., Va.; d.
11 Dec 1911 in Brodnax, Brunswick Co., Va.

James and Lucy wed 27 Nov 1877 in Brunswick Co., Va. Their children: Susan
Mary, Benjamin James, William Thomas, Frank Garland, Sallie Florence, Hattie
Davis, Fletcher Herod and Leonard Talmadge. James and Lucy are buried in
the Davis-Poythress Cemetery in Brodnax, Brunswick Co., Va.

James David Poythress is the son of Thomas M. Poythress and the grandson of
Lewis Poythress, both of Blackridge, Mecklenburg Co., Va.

Children of Thomas M. Poythress and wife Lucy Thomas: William Lewis,
Francis (F), Benjamin J., Elizabeth R., James David, Henrietta, Sallie,
Peter V., Richard, Anderson John, Laban and Bennett. All except Peter and
Laban are accounted for; none of those 10 resided outside Virginia.


*** Please share more with us about your family, including locations.
Thanks! ***

Best regards,
Lyn Baird


-----Original Message-----
From: Mpradding@aol.com [mailto:Mpradding@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 7:21 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: S.J. Poythress??

My father is Samuel Jefferson Poythress the third of that name. (He calls
himself Junior, but his dad and grandfather had the same name.

My great grand father had three brothers who moved to the Texas Louisianna
border in the general time frame of after the civil war. I would be
interested to know if this could be my great grandfather. Could you tell me
more about Lucy and James?

Marianne Poythress Radding


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Probate Records Deborah Poythress/Portess? 1705Charles NealElaine,
This looks quite interesting! I'm curious -- At what website did you find
it?
Thanks,
Bpn
= = ==
From: Denver145@aol.com
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:35:02 EST
Subject: Probate Records Deborah Poythress/Portess? 1705
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

I don't know if this is a Poythress or not, but since it is an earlier
record, I will post it.

Kent County, Delaware Probate Records 1680-1800
Page 27

Deborah Portess, widow of John. Will copy made January 12, 1705 in Colony
of Virginia. Heirs - 2 sons & 3 daughters, all unnamed. Probate February
13, 1705.
Arch. vol A40, pg207, Reg. of Wills
Liber B, folio 54

Take care,
Elaine		11/05/2002 1:26:39
Re: Deborah Poythress/Portess Probate RecordBarbara, I found this at Ancestry.com. I have been playing with various
possible spellings of our name. I typed in Portess and this one came up
under the heading of Probate Records along with some other Portess in
Kentucky Mortality Schedules and Kentucky Census. I will post those later.



Elaine,
This looks quite interesting! I'm curious -- At what website did you find
it?
Thanks,
Bpn




11/05/2002 2:25:29
Re: James David Poythress, 1856-1929, VirginiaThank you for the details.

It's definitely not a fit. There were four brothers that left the east probably Tennesee (but I wasn't sure where they started) and came to the Louisiana-Texas border. There names were Sam (SJ1), William, Henry, and Frank/Francis. Sam named his sons Sam (SJ2), William, Henry and his daughter Francis.

I'll keep looking.

Marianne		11/05/2002 5:46:46
1930 Federal Census - Lauderdale County, MSFinally finished viewing the images for Lauderdale County, MS and here are
the Poythress' that I found. There are a few wrong entries for places born,
as with any census. The only elder Poythress, that I could not find was
Charles W. Poythress. Does anyone know where he was in 1930?

Meridian City, Ward 1, ED 38-4, sheet 16A, date April 15, 1930

HH 337 Lines 13-14

Poythress, R.L. Jr., Head, Rent, $23 monthly rent, Male, White, age 29,
Married at age 28, able to read and write, born Miss., father born Alabama,
mother born Alabama, speaks English, Switchman for the Railway, works for
wage, WW Vet.

" ", Annie Kate, wife, age 22, female, white, married at age 21,
born Miss., father born Alabama, mother born Alabama, able to read and write,
speaks English.

Meridian City, Ward 5, ED 38-12, sheet 13A, date April 9, 1930

HH 246 Lines 39-42

Poythress, John T., Head, Rents, $15 monthly rent, male, white, age 50,
married age 22, able to read and write, born Alabama,(I believe the taker got
the next two reversed) father born North Carolina, mother born Virginia,
speaks English, Carpenter for Steam Railroad, works for wage, not a vet.

" ", Grace, wife, female, white, age 45, married at age 17, able
to read and write, born Miss., father born Miss., mother born Miss., speaks
English.

" ", Ruby, daughter, female, white, age 18, single, attends
school, able to read and write, born Miss., father born Alabama, mother born
Miss., speaks English.

" ", Catherine, daughter, female, white, age 13, single, attends
school, able to read and write, born Miss., father born Alabama, mother born
Miss.,speaks English.


Sheet 13B, date April 9, 1930

HH 247, Lines 53-57

Poythress, Robert L., Head, owns, value $1500, male, white, age 59, married
at age 29, able to read and write, born Alabama, father born Virginia, mother
born North Carolina, speaks English, brakeman for Steam Railroad, works for
wage, not a vet.

" ", Mamie, wife, female, white, age 48, married at 18, able to
read and write, born Miss., father born Miss., mother born Miss., speaks
English.

" ", Harold, son, male, white, age 22, single, able to read and
write, born Miss., father born Alabama, mother born Miss., speaks English,
apprentice for machine shop, works for wage, not a vet.

Clancy, Tommie, head, rent $15 monthly, male, white, age 26, married at age
25, able to read and write, born Massachusetts, father born Massachusetts,
mother born Massachusetts, speaks English, ball player for Major League,
works for wage, not a vet.

" ", Eleanor, wife, female, white, age 19, married at age 18, able to
read and write, born Miss., father born Miss., mother born Miss.( If this is
the twin daughter of Robert L. place of birth of father, should be
Alabama.)

Sheet 14A, date April 9, 1930

HH 257 Lines 3-9

Poythress, Bryant R., Head, owns, $1750 value, male, white, age 48, married
at age 26, able to read and write, born Alabama, father born South Carolina,
mother born Alabama, speaks English, solicitor for insurance company, works
for wage, not a vet.

" ", Bessie, wife, female, white, age 40, married at age 18, able
to read and write, born Miss., father born Miss., mother born Miss., speaks
English.

" ", Marlyne, daughter, female, white, age 20, single, born Miss.,
father born Alabama, mother born Miss., speaks English, Seamstress for dress
shop, works for wage,

" ", ? Chrisedine, daughter, female, white, age 18, born Miss.,
father born Alabama, mother born Miss., speaks English.

" ", Bryant Jr., son, male, white, age 12, single, attends
school, able to read and write, born Miss., father born Alabama, mother born
Miss., speaks English.

" ", Eloise, daughter, female, white, age 9, single, attends
school, born Alabama, father born Alabama, mother born Miss., speaks English.

" ", Richard H., brother, male, white, age 55, single, born
Alabama, father born South Carolina, mother born Alabama, speaks English,
electrician, works for wage, not a vet.

Sheet 14A, date April 9, 1930

HH 262, Lines 32-39

Montgomery, Gertrude, Head, owns, $1000 value, female, white, age 56, widow,
able to read and write, born Miss., father born (written over each other)
Alabama/Miss., mother born Miss., speaks English,

" ", Glen, son, male, white, age 36, able to read and write,
born Miss., father born Miss, mother born Miss., speaks English.

" " Paul, son, male, white, age 18, able to read and write,
born Miss., father born Miss, mother born Miss., speaks English, laborer for
garage, not a vet.

Poythress, Wallace, Head, rent, $10 monthly, male, white, age 27, married at
age 26, able to read and write, born Miss., father born Alabama, mother born
Miss., speaks English, apprentice for steam railroad, works for wage, not a
vet.

" ", Mary E., wife, female, white, age 14, married at age 13,
able to read and write, born Miss., father born Miss., mother born Miss.,
speaks English.

Crenshaw, Avon, head, rents, $12 monthly, male, white, age 27, married at age
21, able to read and write, born Miss., father born Miss., mother born Miss.,
speaks English, truck driver for Standard Oil, works for wage, not a vet.

" ", Minnie, wife, female, white, age 23, married at age 17, able
to read and write, born Miss., father born Miss., mother born Miss., speaks
English.

" ", Billie, son, male, white, age 4, born Miss., father born
Miss., mother born Miss.


Sheet 18B & 19A, date April 11, 1930

HH 349, Lines 98-100 and 1-7

Poythress, James D., head, owns, $2000 value, male, white, age 60, married at
age 25, able to read and write, born Alabama, father born Virginia, mother
born N.Carolina,speaks English.

" ", Carrie, wife, female, white, age 52, married at age 19, able
to read and write, born Miss., father born Georgia, mother born Tenn., speaks
English.

" " James Jr., son, male, white, age 26, single, able to read and
write, born Miss., father born Alabama, mother born Miss., speaks English.

" ", Carl, son, male, white, age 20, single, able to read and
write, born Miss., father born Alabama, mother born Miss., speaks English,
Apprentice for Steam Railroad, works for wage, not a vet.

" ", Norbert, son, male, white, age 19, single, able to read and
write, born Miss., father born Alabama, mother born Miss., speaks English,
Serviceman for garage, works for wage not a vet.

" ", Margaret, daughter, female, white, age 15, single, attends
school, able to read and write, born Miss., father born Alabama, mother born
Miss., speaks English.

Trest, Willis, head, rents, $10 monthly, male, white, age 37, married
(doesn't say at what age), able to read and write, born Miss., father born
Miss., mothe born Miss., speaks English, Marker for steam laundry, works for
wage, not a vet.

" ", Willie M., wife, female, white, age 33, married, able to read and
write, born Miss., father born Alabama, mother born Miss., speaks English.

" ", Billie, son, male, white, age 14, attends school, able to read and
write, born Miss., father born Miss., mother born Miss., speaks English.

Phillips, Eliza, lodger, female, white, age 74, widow, able to read and
write, born Miss., father born Miss., mother born Miss., speaks English.

Meridian City, Beat One, ED 38-14

line 46,

Poythress, Rebecca, Patient, female, white, age 56, single, born Alabama,
father born Virginia, mother born Virginia, speaks English. (I believe this
to be Mary Rebecca born 1874 in Sumter Alabama, daughter of James Speed
Poythress and Mattie Raiford Poythress.)


Meridian City, Ward-Poplar Springs, ED 38-16, sheet 4A, date April 4, 1930

HH 68, Lines 29-34

Poythress, Ben E., head, owns, $3000 value, male, white, age 36, married at
age 24, able to read and write, born Alabama, father born Virginia, mother
born Alabama, speaks English, Clerk for R.R. Office, works for wage, not a
vet.

" ", Lena, wife, female, white, age 38, married at age 26, able
to read and write, born Miss., father born Miss., mother born Alabama, speaks
English.

" ", Ben E. Jr., son, male, white, age 9, attends school, born
Miss., father born Alabama, mother born Miss., speaks English.

" ", James L., son, male, white, age 5, born Miss., father born
Alabama, mother born Miss., speaks English.

" ", William S., son, male, white, age 2, born Miss., father born
Alabama, mother born Miss.

" ", Maggie, sister, female, white, age 55, single, able to read
and write, born Alabama, father born Virginia, mother born Alabama, speaks
English.

Beat One, ED 38-18, sheet 17A, date May 8, 1930

HH 569, Lines 20-25

Jones, Mamie, head, owns, $2000 value, female, white, age 57, widow, able to
read and write, born Miss., father born N.Y., mother born N.Y., speaks
English.

" ", Ruth C., daughter, female, white, age 18, single, able to read and
write, born Miss., father born Miss., mother born Miss., speaks English.

Poythress, Rosa J., daughter, female, white, age 20, divorced, able to read
and write, born Miss., father born Miss., mother born Miss., speaks English,
Cashier for Hotel, works for wage,

" ", Dorothy J., grand daughter, female, white, age 3 6/12, born
Miss., father born Miss., mother born Miss.

Jones, John A., son, male, white, age 23, able to read and write, born Miss.,
father born Miss., mother born Miss., speaks English, Mason for Ludding
Construction, Not a vet.


Good Night,
Elaine		11/05/2002 9:00:36
Probate Records Deborah Poythress/Portess? 1705I don't know if this is a Poythress or not, but since it is an earlier
record, I will post it.

Kent County, Delaware Probate Records 1680-1800

Page 27

Deborah Portess, widow of John. Will copy made January 12, 1705 in Colony of
Virginia. Heirs - 2 sons & 3 daughters, all unnamed. Probate February 13,
1705.
Arch. vol A40, pg207, Reg. of Wills
Liber B, folio 54

Take care,
Elaine		11/05/2002 12:35:02
Fw: correctionsJudy Scruggs----- Original Message -----
From: Judy Scruggs
To: Denver145@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: Hi


Yes, I thanked you for what you sent today. I was about to write again to see if you needed the corrections for the census.

Charles W. died in 1931 and was buried in Meridian so he should have been there unless he died some place else and the boby was sent there for burial.

Under Bryant Poythress, the daughter Marlyne should be Maelyne. The ? Chrisedine, should be Chris Edwin a son, not daughter. DOB matches.

Under James D., the son James Jr. was not a Jr. but James Stroble, my mother's brother.

Under Mamie Jones, she is mother in law to James Stroble and Rosa J. was his wife and Dorothy J. (Jean) is his daughter and still lives in Meridian. Her parents divorced while she was very young. I have a picture of her on her graduation day with our grand mother Carrie Poythress.

Also under James David, the elderly lady Eliza was a friend who lived with them. They called her Liza.

The Montgomery family, I know nothing about. also the Avon Crenshaw I do not know.

Thanks Again,
Judy
----- Original Message -----
From: Denver145@aol.com
To: jas942@direcway.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: Hi


Judy, did you email me earlier? When I clicked on the email, it just disappeared. Will you resend your message. It looked at a glance like it was from you, regarding the copies.

Thanks,
Elaine		11/06/2002 6:44:24
Poythress - 1930 Census - Georgia & MissouriI am posting these two states because they are indexed. The other states
will eventually all be indexed on Ancestry and as they are I will post them.
I am posting as in the Census Images, corrections and enlightenment , are
always welcome.

Georgia 1930 Federal Census

Baldwin County, ED 11, Sheet 29A, Date April 28, 1930

Lines 4-5
Poythress, D.W., male, white, age 63, widow, cannot read and write, born GA,
father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English, Patient, not a Vet.

Poythress, G.C., male, white, age 29, single, can read and write, born GA,
father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English, Patient, not a Vet.


Bibb County

ED 19, Sheet 1A, Date April 12,1930

HH 4 line 31

Living in home of Clarence Hillard.

Poythress, John M., Boarder, male, white, age 21, single, can read and write,
born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English, mechanic for water
works, works for wage, not a Vet.


ED 23, Sheet 7A, Date April 4, 1930

HH 88, line 14

Living in home of Henretta King.
Poythress, Gertrude, Boarder, female, white, age 18, single, can read and
write, born GA, father born AL, mother born AL, speaks English, operator for
telephone exchange, works for wage.

Chatam County

ED 52, Sheet 8A, Date May 16, 1930

HH 154, Lines 29-31

Poythress, Matthew M., Head, owns, $2500 value, male, white, age 42, can read
and write, born Ga, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English,
carpenter/contractor, works for wage, not a Vet.

ED 57, Sheet 6A, Date Nov. 7, 1930

HH 121, Lines 5-6

Poythress, Hattie, Head, rents, $15 monthly, female, white, age 34, widow,
can read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English,
Salesman for Grocer Store, works for wage.

" ", Leona, daughter, female, white, age 14, single, attends
school, can read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks
English.

ED 39, Sheet 9B, Date April 11, 1930

HH 207, Lines 63-67

Poythress, Warren L., Head, rents, $25 monthly, male, white, age 36, married
at age 22, can read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA,
speaks English, salesman/trucks, works for wage, not a Vet.

" ", Odessa J., wife, female, white, age 34, married at age 20,
can read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

" ", Lamar Jr., son, male, white, age 13, single, attends
school, can read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks
English.

" ", Odessa J., daughter, female, white, age 12, single, attends
school, can read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks
English.

" ", Warren, son, male, white, age 9, single, attends school, can
read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

ED 64, Savannah City, Sheet 12A, Date April 9, 1930

HH 234, Lines 47-48

Poythress, John W., Head, owns, $4500 value, male, white, age 64, married at
age 26, can read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks
English, salesman for packing house, works for wage, not a Vet.

" ", Louise H., wife, female, white, age 59, married age 21, can
read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

Effingham County

ED 6, Sheet 2A, Date April 2-3, 1930

HH 28, Lines 41-48

Poythress, Thomas, Head, owns, no value listed, male, white, age 68, married
at age 33, can read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA,
speaks English, farmer/general farm, own account, not a Vet.

" ", Julia, wife, female, white, age 57, married at age 20, can
read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

" ", Jerry, son, male, white, age 20, single, can read and write,
born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

" ", Ralph, Head, male, white, age 31, married at age 27, can
read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English,
laborer/general farm, works for wage, not a Vet.

" ", Verna, wife, female, white, age 21, married at age 16, can
read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

" ", Travis, son, male, white, age 5, single, born GA, father
born GA, mother born GA.

" ", Willie, son, male, white, age 4 4/12, single, born GA,
father born GA, mother born GA.

" ", Dallas, son, male, white, age 1 10/12, single, born GA,
father born GA, mother born GA,


Emanuel County

ED 4, Swainsboro, Sheet 27A, Date April 26, 1930

Line 8
Poythress, Wm. D., patient, male, white, age 50, married, can read and write,
born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English, farmer/general farm,
owns account, not a Vet.


Jenkins County

ED 3, Millen, Sheet 2B, Date April 5, 1930

HH 34, Lines 60-61

Poythress, Charles M., Head, rents, $10 monthly, male, white, age 75, married
at age 36, can read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA,
speaks English, farmer/general farm, employee, is a Civ. Veteran.

" ", Mallie, wife, female, white, age 84, married at age 45, can
read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

ED 3, Millen, Sheet 9A, Date April 22, 1930

HH 197, Lines 42-44

Poythress, Lee A., Head, rents, male, white, age 69, married at age 27, can
read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English,
farmer/general farm, employee, not a Vet.

" ", Lucy, wife, female, white, age 60, married at age 18, can
read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English, farm
laborer/general farm, no pay.

" ", Gordan, son, male, white, age 18, can read and write, born
GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English, farm laborer/general
farm, no pay.


Screven County

ED 5, Sheet 2B, Date April 4, 1930

HH 33, Lines 81-86

Poythress, James C., Head, male, white, age 45, married at age 39, can read
and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English,
farmer/general farm, owns account, not a Vet.

" ", Bessie R., wife, female, white, age 43, married at age 39,
can read and write, born Ga, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

??Jicler or maybe Sicler, Hazal, daughter, female, white, age 28, can read
and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English,
Teacher/Public School, works for wage.

" ", ? can't read, son, male, white, age twelve, attends school,
can read and write, born GA, father born Ga, mother born GA, speaks English.

Mincey, David L., father-in-law, male, white, age 76, married at age 21, can
read and write, born Ga, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

" ", Eugenia, mother-in-law, female, white, age 72, married at age
17, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

ED 10, Valdosta City, Sheet 4A, Date April 4, 1930

HH 50, Line 22

Living in Home of Clif Lyon.

Poythress, Horace, boarder, male, white, age 26, single, can read and write,
born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English, plummer/shop, works
for wage, not a Vet.

ED 20, Sheet 1B, Date April 17, 1930

HH 13, Lines 57-64

Poythress, Gazzie H., Head, owns, male, white, age 51, married at age 30, can
read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English,
farmer/general farm, owns account, not a Vet.

" ", Kate L., wife, female, white, age 33, married at age 17, can
read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

" ", Troy W., son, male, white, age 15, single, attends school,
can read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English,
farm laborer/general farm.

" ", Mary L., daughter, female, white, age 10, single, attends
school, can read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks
English.

" ", Elmond, son, male, white, age 8, single, attends school, can
read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

" ", Louise, daughter, female, white, age 7, single, attends
school, can read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks
English.

" ", Martha, mother, female, white, age 88, can read and write,
born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

Blackburn, Carl, step-son, male, white, age 10, single, attends school, can
read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

ED 18, Newington, Sheet 2B, Date April 4, 1930

HH 32, Lines 60-66

Poythress, Carl R., Head, rents, $20 monthly, male, white, age 35, married at
age 27, can read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks
English, manager/cotton gin, owns account, WW Veteran.

" ", Beatrice, wife, female, white, age 33, married at age 25, can
read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

Mison, Susie, boarder, female, white, age 44, single, can read and write,
born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English, Teacher/Public
School, works for wage.

Jacason, Mary F., boarder, female, white, age 27, single, can read and write,
born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English, Teacher/Public
School, works for wage.

Williams, Edward, boarder, male, white, age 48, single, cannot read or write,
born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English, laborer/truck farm,
works for wage, not a Vet.

2 negro servants Hennatta and Silea Homes.

ED 1, Sylvania, Sheet 11A, Date April 11, 1930

Line 22

Poythress, Lodema, inmate, male, white, age 36, married at age 29, can read
and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.


Troup County

ED 8, La Grange, Sheet 6B, Date April 5, 1930

HH 119, Lines 69-72

Poythress, Eunice, Head, owns, $3500 value, female, white, age 41, widow, can
read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

" ", Joe Henry, son, male, white, age 21, single, can read and
write, born GA, father born Ga, mother born GA, speaks English,
salesman/grocery, works for wage, not a Vet.

" ", Edward T., son, male, white, age 19, can read and write,
born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.

" ", Charles, brother-in-law, male, white, age 48, single, can
read and write, born GA, father born GA, mother born GA, speaks English.


MISSOURI
Webster County

ED 4, East Dallas, Sheet 2A, Date April 7, 1930

HH 29, Lines 18-20

Poythress, Mazina, Head, owns, female, white, age 61, widow, cannot read or
write, born Tenn., father born Tenn., mother born Tenn., speaks English.

" ", Frank, son, male, white, age 22, single, can read and write,
born Missouri, father born GA, mother born Tenn., speaks English,
farmer/general farm, owns account, not a Vet.

" ", Albert J., son, male, white, age 20, single, can read and
write, born Missouri, father born GA, mother born Tenn., speaks English,
Laborer/farm, works for wage.

Take care,
Elaine		11/06/2002 8:59:30
1930 Federal Census - Lauderdale County, MSCharles NealElaine, thanks so much for posting the Lauderdale County, Mississippi 1930
Census listings of Poythress folks.

The Ben E. Poythress household (copied below) is the only one descended
from James E. Poythress & Catherine Preston. Ben E, the head of household,
was the youngest child of Algernon E. Poythress & Ellen Belle McKinley
(Algernon was son of James E. Poythress & Catherine Preston). Maggie,
sister of Ben E in the same household, was Margaret Belle Poythress, 2nd
child & eldest daughter of AEP & EBM.

The youngest child in the household, William Spinks Poythress, got his
middle name from his mother's maiden name. They called him Spinks. He died
at age 4 of pneumonia.

The eldest child in the household, Ben Jr., is the fellow who copied the
family's old Bible-type Family Record that I've mentioned before, and
copies of which are at the Library of Virginia's Bible Records website.

Thanks again for posting all that great info, Elaine!
BPN
= = = = =
Meridian City, Ward-Poplar Springs, ED 38-16, sheet 4A, date April
4, 1930
HH 68, Lines 29-34

Poythress, Ben E., head, owns, $3000 value, male, white, age 36, married at
age 24, able to read and write, born Alabama, father born Virginia, mother
born Alabama, speaks English, Clerk for R.R. Office, works for wage, not a
vet.

" ", Lena, wife, female, white, age 38, married at age 26, able
to read and write, born Miss., father born Miss., mother born Alabama,
speaks English.

" ", Ben E. Jr., son, male, white, age 9, attends school, born
Miss., father born Alabama, mother born Miss., speaks English.

" ", James L., son, male, white, age 5, born Miss., father born
Alabama, mother born Miss., speaks English.

" ", William S., son, male, white, age 2, born Miss., father
born Alabama, mother born Miss.

" ", Maggie, sister, female, white, age 55, single, able to
read and write, born Alabama, father born Virginia, mother born Alabama,
speaks English.		11/06/2002 12:02:02
Thomas Poythress, Brunswick Co, VA Chancery Ct Record 1788-008Charles NealThis record is related to, and really should be part of, the longer record
transcribed and posted earlier today as "Thomas Poythress, Brunswick Co, VA
Chancery Ct Record 1796-017" As noted in that posting, the name of Thomas
Poythress appears in five Chancery Court records for Brunswick County, VA,
which records are maintained by the Library of Virginia in Richmond, VA:

1796-017 [posted earlier today]
1788-008 [transcribed below]
1792-007
1793-008
1804-031

Transcribed below are the 2 documents contained in record #1788-008, by
Barbara Poythress Neal, who invites any clarification of the reading of the
handwriting from anyone else who has occasion to examine this record.

As noted in the posting of Chancery Court record #1796-017 (which this
record should really be a part of), William Warwick was plaintiff & Thomas
Poythress was defendant. This record contains 2 un-numbered documents,
which are numbered here by the transcriber. Both documents are completely
handwritten.

[Document #1]
The Commonwealth of Virginia To the Sheriff of Brunswick County Greeting
we command you that you Summon Thomas Poythress to appear before the
Justices of our said County Court at the Courthouse of our said County in
Chancery on the fourth Monday in March next To answer a Bill in Chancery
exhibited against him by [marked out here is the name "Thomas Poythress"]
William Warwick And this he shall in no wise omit under the Penalty of 500
[pounds] [Bpn note: immediately before the number "500" appears the symbol
that looks like a crossed "L" and stands for "pound." I don't know how to
get that symbol to print on this laptop in pure text format, though
hopefully someone can tell me if there is a way to do that] And have then
there this Writ Witness Drury Stith Clerk of our said Court the 5th Day of
Dec'r 1786
[signed] Griffin Stith DCl C [probably stands for Deputy Clerk of Court]

[Document #1's back side has 3 panels where the document was folded. The
first panel indicates that Thomas Poythress was not found to be an
inhabitant of the county:]
No Inhabitant
[signed] Briggs Goodwin[?], DS [probably stands for Deputy Sheriff]

[label on the second panel of Document #1's back side:]
Sp'a [Subpoena] in Chancery
Warwick
vs
Poythress
=
March 1787 Citt'a[? possibly for Citation being issued? or possibly this is
"Att'a"]
Aug't [note, this is written above two words that have been crossed out,
the first of which is Nov'r, second of which is illegible]
March 1788
Aug't New Citt'a
Nov [illegible word]

[third panel of Document #1's back side is blank]

[Document #2]
The Commonwealth of Virginia To the [sic; apparently the word "Sheriff" was
inadvertently left out] of Brunswick County Greeting
we command you that you Attack Thomas Poythress so that you have his body
before our Justices of our said County of Brunswick on the fourth
monday[sic] in Nov'r next To answer us as well of a certain Contempt [note:
"Contempt" is written above the word "Complaint" which was marked out] by
him to us offered as it said upon those things which to him shall then &
there be objected & further to do & receive what our said Court shall in
this part Consider and have then there this writ. witness Drury Stith Clerk
of our said Court the 2d Day of Sept'r 1788
[signed] Edmunds Stith DC [probably stands for Deputy Clerk]

[Document #2's back side has 3 panels where the document was folded. The
first panel indicates that Thomas Poythress was not found to be an
inhabitant of the county:]
No inhabitant
[signed] Grief Harwell

[label on the second panel of Document #2's back side:]
Warwick
vs
Poythress
Citt'a [? possibly for Citation being issued? or possibly this is "Att'a"]
for
Answ'r

[on the third panel of Document #2's back side:]
For not answering a Bill in Chancery exhibited against him by William
Warwick
[signed] Edmunds Stith DC [probably stands for Deputy Clerk]		11/08/2002 4:20:26
Thomas Poythress, Brunswick Co, VA Chancery Ct Record 1793-008Charles NealThis record is related to, and really should be part of, the longer record
transcribed and posted earlier today as "Thomas Poythress, Brunswick Co, VA
Chancery Ct Record 1796-017" As noted in that posting, the name of Thomas
Poythress appears in five Chancery Court records for Brunswick County, VA,
which records are maintained by the Library of Virginia in Richmond, VA:

1796-017 [posted earlier]
1788-008 [posted earlier]
1792-007
1793-008 [transcribed below]
1804-031

Transcribed below are the 2 documents contained in record #1793-008, by
Barbara Poythress Neal, who invites any clarification of the reading of the
handwriting from anyone else who has occasion to examine this record.

As noted in the posting of Chancery Court record #1796-017 (which this
record should really be a part of), William Warwick was plaintiff & Thomas
Poythress was defendant. This record contains 2 un-numbered documents,
which are numbered here by the transcriber. Both documents are pre-printed
forms with blanks filled in by handwriting, of the same type as documents
#4 & 8 in the record #1796-017. The pre-printed form's letter "s" is the
old-style of print-font that looks like a lowercase "f" without the
crossbar. The handwritten portions in these documents are enclosed here in
double asterisks "**"

[Document #1]
The Commonwealth of VIRGINIA to the sheriff of **Brunswick** county,
greeting. We command you, that you summon
**Thomas Poythress** to appear before our Justices of our county court of
**Brunswick** at their courthouse of said county, on the **4th Monday in
November Instant** [Bpn note: thus he is to appear later in the same month
this form was completed] then and there to answer a bill in Chancery
against **him** exhibited by **William Warwick**
And this **he** shall no wise omit under the penalty of 100l. **---**
And have then there also this writ. WITNESS **John Jones** clerk of our
said court at the office, the **1st** day of **November** 17**92** [Bpn
note: the form had been printed to say 178_ but the clerk had written a "9"
over the preprinted "8" to make the year now read "1792"] and in the
**17th** year of the commonwealth.
[signed] H. Hill DC [note: probably stands for Deputy Clerk]

[First panel of back side of Document #1 indicates that Thomas Poythress
was not found to be an inhabitant of the county:]
No Inhabitant
[signed] Robt Harrison DC

[Second panel of back side of Document #1:]
Sp'a in Chy [Subpoena in Chancery]
Warwick
vs
Poythress
1792 Dec'r Alius[?] Subpoena
=
June abates by [illegible]

[Document #2]
The Commonwealth of VIRGINIA to the sheriff of **Brunswick** county,
greeting. We command you, [Bpn note: crossed out are the pre-printed words
"that you summon"] **as before you have been Commanded that you summon
Thomas Poythress** to appear before our Justices of our county court of
**Brunswick** at their courthouse of said county, on the **4th Monday in
March next** then and there to answer a bill in Chancery against **him**
exhibited by **William Warwick**
And this **he** shall no wise omit under the penalty of 100l. **---**
And have then there also this writ. WITNESS **John Jones** clerk of our
said court at the office, the **11th** day of **December** 17**92**
[Bpn note: the form had been printed to say 178_ but the clerk had written
a "9" over the preprinted "8" to make the year now read "1792"] and in the
**Seventeenth** year of the commonwealth.
[signed] H. Hill DC

[First panel of back side of Document #2 indicates that Thomas Poythress
was not found to be an inhabitant of the county:]
No Inhabitant of any Bailwick
[signed] Robt Harrison

[Second panel of back side of Document #2]
Als. Sp'a [Subpoena]
Warwick
vs
Poythress		11/08/2002 4:55:11
Thomas Poythress, Brunswick Co, VA Chancery Ct Record 1804-031Charles NealThis record is related to the longer record transcribed and posted earlier
as "Thomas Poythress, Brunswick Co, VA Chancery Ct Record 1796-017"

As noted in the earlier postings, the name of Thomas Poythress appears in
five Chancery Court records for Brunswick County, VA, which records are
maintained by the Library of Virginia in Richmond, VA:

1796-017 [posted earlier]
1788-008 [posted earlier]
1792-007
1793-008 [posted earlier]
1804-031 [transcribed below]

Transcribed below are the 5 documents contained in record #1804-031, by
Barbara Poythress Neal, who invites any clarification of the reading of the
handwriting from anyone else who has occasion to examine this record.

In the earlier posting of Chancery Court record #1796-017, William Warwick
was plaintiff; Thomas Poythress was defendant and the heirs of John Mason
were also defendants. The documents in that record dated from 1788 to 1800,
and during that time, Thomas Poythress was not found to be an inhabitant of
Brunswick County, VA. This record shows that attempts were made to locate
the Mason heirs in various southside Virginia counties: Brunswick,
Southampton, Greensville, and Sussex. This record contains 5 un-numbered
documents, which are numbered here by the transcriber.documents. All are
handwritten.

[Document #1]
The Commonwealth of Virginia to the sheriff of Brunswick County greeting
you are hereby commanded to summon Thomas Poythress[,] Robert Mabry &
Rebecca his wife who was late Rebecca Mason widow & Extrix of James
Mason[,] & William Harrison, John Mason & Benja. Jones[,] surviving ex'cors
of the said James Mason[,] Seth Mason & Jane daughter of the sd James
Mason[,] Ira Ellis & Polly his wife widow of John Mason to appear before
the Justices of our said County Court at the Courthouse on the 4th
monday[sic] in May next then and there to answer a bill in Chancery against
them exhibited by John Walton & Mary his wife late Mary Warwick widow &
devisee of William Warwick dec'd and this they shall in no wise omit under
the penalty of 100 [pounds symbol precedes the 100] each and have then
there this writ Witness Herbert Hill clerk of our said Court this 5th day
of April 1802 In the 26th year of our foundation.
[signed] H Hill

[Document #1's back side has 3 panels where the document was folded. First
panel:]
Executed on Ira Ellis & Polly his Wife
[signed] Js Rice deputy
For
Wright Tucker shff [Sheriff]

[label on the second panel of Document #1's back side:]
Sp'a [Subpoena] in Chancery
Walton & wife
vs
Poythress & al
228 [or possibly 22 with a symbol that may stand for "shillings"]
Ira Ellis

[Document #2]
The Commonwealth of Virginia to the sheriff of Greensville County greeting
you are hereby commanded to summon George Mason & Seth Mason & Jane his
wife[,] children and coheirs of James Mason[,] Wm T Mason[,] James Mason &
Edmunds Mason, Robert Mabry & Rebecca his wife[,] Ira Ellis & Polley his
wife to appear before the Justices of our said County Court at the
Courthouse on the 4th monday[sic] in May inst [Bpn note "next" was first
written and is marked out. Above it is written the abbreviation for
"instant" meaning they are to appear the same month this document was
written] to answer a bill in Chancery against them exhibited by John Walton
& Mary his wife late Mary Warwick widow & relict of Wm Warwick. And this
they shall in no wise omit under the penalty of 100 [pounds symbol precedes
the 100] each and have then there this writ Witness Herbert Hill clerk of
our said Court this 5th day of April 1802 In the 26th year of our
foundation.
[signed] H Hill

[Document #2's back side has 4 panels where the document was folded. The
following writing that extends from down through the first and second panel
contains names of those who were served the subpoena & of those who were
not found to be served, but the lack of punctuation makes it unclear
exactly how many were not found]
Executed on Edm'd Mason & George Mason, Seth Mason Wm T Mason
James Mason James[sic] Mason Rob't Mabry Rebeca Mabry Ira Ellis and
Polley Ellis not found in my Bailwick
[signed] J[?] C[?] Lundy DS [Deputy Sheriff] of Esau[?] Goodwyn
The sheriff of Greensville
County

[label on the third panel of Document #2's back side:]
Sp'a [Subpoena] in Chancery
Walton & wife
vs
Mason & al
May Bruns. Co 1802
GCo [abbreviation for Greensville Co]

[on the fourth panel of Document #2's back side are listed all the names of
those sought, apparently so the deputy carrying the document didn't need to
keep opening it up to refer to the names]
Geo Mason
Seth Mason
Jane Mason
Wm T Mason
Jas Mason
& Edmund Mason
Robt Mabry
Ira Ellis
Polly Ellis

[Document #3]
The Commonwealth of Virginia to the sheriff of Southampton County greeting
you are hereby commanded to summon George Mason[,] Seth Mason & Jane his
wife, James Mason[,] Wm T Mason[,] James Mason & Edmunds Mason, Robert
Mabry & Rebecca his wife[,] Ira Ellis & Polley his wife to appear before
the Justices of our said County Court at the Courthouse on the 4th
monday[sic] in May inst [Bpn note "next" was first written and is marked
out. Above it is written the abbreviation for "instant" meaning they are to
appear the same month this document was written] to answer a bill in
Chancery against them Exhibited by John Walton & Mary his wife and this
they shall in no wise omit under the penalty of 100 [pounds symbol precedes
the 100] each and have then this writ Witness Herbert Hill clerk of our
said Court this 5th day of May 1802 In the 26th year of our foundation.
[signed] H Hill

[First panel on back side of Document #3]
The sheriff of Southampton
County

[Second panel of back side of Document #3]
Sp'a in Chy
Walton & wife
vs
Mason &c
Southampton

[Document #4]
Brunswick Co
The Commonwealth of Virginia to the sheriff of Southampton County greeting
You are hereby commanded to Summon George Mason, Seth Mason & Jane his
wife, James Mason[,] William T Mason[,] James Mason & Edmunds Mason[,]
Robert Mabry & Rebecca his wife[,] Ira Ellis & Polley his wife to appear
before the Justices of our said County Court at the Courthouse On the 4th
Monday in August instant [Bpn note "to answer" was first written and is
marked out] then & there to Answer a Bill in Chancery against them
exhibited by John Walton & Mary his wife and this they shall in no wise
omit under the Penalty of 100 [pounds symbol precedes the 100] each & have
then there this writ Witness Herbert Hill clerk of our said Court this 7th
day of August 1802 In the 27th year of our foundation.
[signed] H Hill

[First panel on back side of Document #4]
1802 August 16th Executed on Rob't Mabry & George Mason. Not on Rebecca
Mabry for the want of time. As to the rest No Inhabitants
[signed] W[?] Beal DS
For J Browne Shff

[Second panel on back side of Document #4]
Sp'a in Chy
Walton & wife
vs
Mason &c
=
1802 Augt Court

[Document #5]
Brunswick Co
The Commonwealth of Virginia to the sheriff of [Bpn note: crossed out here
was "Brunswick"] Sussex County greeting You are hereby commanded to Summon
George Mason, Seth Mason & Jane his wife, James Mason[,] William T
Mason[,] James Mason & Edmunds Mason[,] Robert Mabry & Rebecca his wife &
Ira Ellis & Polley his wife to appear before the Justices of our said
County Court at the Courthouse On the 4th Monday in August instant then &
there to answer a Bill in Chancery against them Exhibited by John Walton &
Mary his wife and this they shall in no wise omit under the Penalty of 100
[pounds symbol precedes the 100] each & have then there this writ Witness
Herbert Hill clerk of our said Court this 7th day of August 1802 In the
27th year of our foundation.
[signed] H Hill

[First panel on back side of Document #5]
Executed on Seth Mason & Jane his wife. And George Mason, James Mason, Wm
T Mason, James Mason[,] Edmunds Mason, Rob't Mabry & Rececca his wife[,]
Ira Ellis & Polly his wife no Inhabitants
[signed] James Belcher DS of
R Booth Shff
18th August 1802

[Second panel on back side of Document #5]
Sp'a in Chy
Walton & wife
vs
Mason &c
=
1802 Augt Court		11/08/2002 6:25:02
Thomas Poythress, Brunswick Co, VA Chancery Ct Record 1792-007Charles NealThis record does not appear to be related to the other four Brunswick
County, VA records transcribed and posted earlier this weekend. As
mentioned earlier, the name of Thomas Poythress appears in five Chancery
Court records for Brunswick County, VA, which records are maintained by the
Library of Virginia in Richmond, VA:

1796-017 [posted earlier]
1788-008 [posted earlier]
1792-007 [transcribed below]
1793-008 [posted earlier]
1804-031 [posted earlier]

Transcribed below is the only document contained in record #1792-007, by
Barbara Poythress Neal, who invites any clarification of the reading of the
handwriting from anyone else who has occasion to examine this record. This
document is entirely handwritten, and has two significantly large torn away
portions at a fold in the middle of the page.

To the Worshipful Court of Brunswick County sitting in Chancery Humbly
Complain't Shew[sic] unto Your Worships yr [your] Orators William Mallory &
Wood Jones Hamlin that some time about the [blank] day of [blank] 1782 yr
orator William Mallory executed a bond or note payable to a certain Thomas
Poythress for the sum of 6.10 [pounds symbol precedes the 6.10] or there
abouts some time after which & not long before the said Poythress left this
State. Yr orator William [sic] actually paid the sd [said] Thos [sic] the
full amt of the sd Bond & required him to give up the same to be canceled
[sic] whereupon the sd Poythress inform'd yr ora. William [sic] that he had
lost or mislaid the sd Bond & promised before a Witness to destroy the same
should he find it again which yr orators expect to be able to prove at this
time -- Notwithstanding which circumstance the sd Thos Poythress shortly
after left this State without having destroy'd the sd Bond & the sd Bond
[hole torn in paper eliminated part of next word]ng by some means
[illegible word portion] [hole torn in paper eliminated part of next
word]o yr orators come [hole torn in paper eliminated next word(s)] of a
certain Th[hole torn in paper eliminated word(s)] a [hole torn in paper
eliminated word(s)] upon the sd Bond [hole torn in paper eliminated
word(s)]t ag'n yr orator [hole torn in paper eliminated word(s)] who
employ'd an atty [hole torn in paper eliminated word]d from[?] in the sd
[illegible part of word, with end of word missing due to hole torn in
paper] being informed by the Clk [hole torn in paper eliminated word]t
would be time enough to S'pa [Subpoena] his Witnesses to this Court yr
orator William inform'd his Lawyer that the sd Suit woud[sic] not come on
till March Court but so it is may it Please yr Wor. that a Jud't
[judgement] was entered up ag't yr orator Wm & yr orator Wood Jones Hamlin
on his common Bail in the Month of November last for the sd Bond & Costs of
suit notwithstand'g yr orator William expressly charges that he hath fully
paid & satisfied the said Bond to the same [Bpn note: here the name "Wm"
was first written and crossed out; above it is:] Thomas Poythress Sen'r
before he left this State & expect he can prove the same when & where this
Court shall direct -- all which actings & doings of the sd Thos Poythress &
his confederates who yr orator pray [Bpn note: here marked out are two
words, no longer legible] may be made Defendants to this Bill in contrary
to Equity & Justice -- In tender Considerations whereof & as yr orators are
remediless in the Premises without the

[continued onto back of sheet]
Aid of this Wor, Court -- To the end therefore that the said Thom's
Poythress Sen'r [Bpn note: the "Sen'r" was inserted above the line after
this portion was written] may upon his Corporal oath full true & perfect
answer make to all & singular the allegations contained in this Bill & that
as fully as if the same were herein again repeated & he [illegible]
particularly interogated & in the mean time that the sd Thos Poythress may
be enjoined from all other & further proceedings upon this[?] Jud't at Law
until the further order & Decree of this Court -- or that yr Worships will
make such further order & Decree in the Premises as may be agreeable to
Equity & the Nature of This Case may require May it Please yr Wor. to grant
unto yr orators the Commonwealths Writs of Sp'a & Intg'on [Interogation?]
to be directed to the sd Deft thereby Commanding him &c &c
[signed] Gri[illeg] H Comp't

[Below the fold on the back of sheet, is the label & below entry]
Sp'a & Ing'on ["Subpoena" & possibly "Interogation"]
Mallory &al
vs Poythress
=
July abates for want of bond
=
This Day came William Mallory before me a Justice of the peace for the
County of Brunswick and made oath that the writing in this Bill contains
the truth and Nothing but the truth given under my hand this 17 Day of
May 1792
[signed Richard Hutchen[?]		11/09/2002 1:16:51
TP Brunswick Chancery CtJohn M PoythressBarbara, sometime ago the LVA published the Chancery Court index saying they would later put full transcriptions on line. I kept looking for them in the place they were supposed to appear and never saw them. Unless you actually sent away for copies of the documents, LVA posted them under a different URL and you got them on-line so I was a tad surprised when your transcriptions appeared. Surprised enough to drop your transcription of 1796-017 although I got the others. Would you please send me this one again. I have the other four. Thanks. LVA was going down the list so I assume they have posted no other of "our" counties' chancery court minutes.

Observations:

1) Given what had earlier appeared to be "too many" round trips VA-GA, I was beginning to sense the presence of a "two Thomas" problem. When I saw that 1804 court date I had a sinking spell since we know that Burke County's Thomas died in 1800. However, it appears to me from reading through these documents they almost suggest verification of likely only "one" Thomas (or, at least one Thomas SENIOR). I can't see in any of these documents where Thomas EVER appeared (or reappeared) in Brunswick County Chancery Court to answer the various summons. In fact, 1792-007 actually uses the language "left this state." It looks like Thomas got out of town one jump ahead of the sheriff and if he did on any occasion return to Brunswick County he omitted a visit to Chancery Court.

Conduct of this type would be supported by the 1786 statement of the Burke County Grand Jury, declaring Thomas Poythress, among others, "a gambler and therefore a nuisance to this county." Then, in 1798, Thomas is elected sheriff of Burke County.
We have shared some humorous comments about this one on the list.

2) That the man in question would be further specifically identified as "Senior" separates him in this respect from son Thomas Jr. who was an adult at the time and went to Burke County with his father. Thomas, Jr. signed one petition document with his father to the governor in Georgia on behalf of some defendant and to my knowledge we have no further record of Thomas, Jr. Burke County records, of course, are practically non-existent due to three courthouse fires over the years.

Nice job on the transcriptions.

Maynard		11/09/2002 2:44:29
TP Brunswick Chancery CtCharles NealMaynard,

Thanks for your comments. You may not have actually "dropped" my
transcription of 1796-017; I don't know if ANYone has gotten that one yet
-- I certainly haven't gotten my own copy yet from the List.

It may just not have gotten out yet. While I hit the "send" button on
Friday evening at 5:23pm Pacific Time, there is some sort of delay either
at CompuServe or at RootsWeb in handling huge messages. I encountered that
delay about a week ago, too, and that time it was almost 2 days after the
original message was sent before I got my own copy of it.

I'll try re-sending it just to you, on the chance that you really did "see"
it coming at you & somehow dropped it, but I suspect it just hasn't made it
out of the ethernet yet to any of us.

And re your first comments, I sent off for the copies.
Barbara
= = = = =

From: "John M Poythress"
Old-To: "AA Poythress List"
Subject: TP Brunswick Chancery Ct
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:44:29 -0500
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Barbara, sometime ago the LVA published the Chancery Court index saying
they would later put full transcriptions on line. I kept looking for them
in the place they were supposed to appear and never saw them. Unless you
actually sent away for copies of the documents, LVA posted them under a
different URL and you got them on-line so I was a tad surprised when your
transcriptions appeared. Surprised enough to drop your transcription of
1796-017 although I got the others. Would you please send me this one
again. I have the other four. Thanks. LVA was going down the list so I
assume they have posted no other of "our" counties' chancery court minutes.

Observations:

1) Given what had earlier appeared to be "too many" round trips VA-GA, I
was beginning to sense the presence of a "two Thomas" problem. When I saw
that 1804 court date I had a sinking spell since we know that Burke
County's Thomas died in 1800. However, it appears to me from reading
through these documents they almost suggest verification of likely only
"one" Thomas (or, at least one Thomas SENIOR). I can't see in any of these
documents where Thomas EVER appeared (or reappeared) in Brunswick County
Chancery Court to answer the various summons. In fact, 1792-007 actually
uses the language "left this state." It looks like Thomas got out of town
one jump ahead of the sheriff and if he did on any occasion return to
Brunswick County he omitted a visit to Chancery Court.

Conduct of this type would be supported by the 1786 statement of the Burke
County Grand Jury, declaring Thomas Poythress, among others, "a gambler and
therefore a nuisance to this county." Then, in 1798, Thomas is elected
sheriff of Burke County.
We have shared some humorous comments about this one on the list.

2) That the man in question would be further specifically identified as
"Senior" separates him in this respect from son Thomas Jr. who was an adult
at the time and went to Burke County with his father. Thomas, Jr. signed
one petition document with his father to the governor in Georgia on behalf
of some defendant and to my knowledge we have no further record of Thomas,
Jr. Burke County records, of course, are practically non-existent due to
three courthouse fires over the years.

Nice job on the transcriptions.
Maynard

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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		11/09/2002 3:21:00
For 1796-017 CCt T Poythress Brunswick Co, VACharles NealThe message sent 48 hours ago, captioned "Thomas Poythress, Brunswick Co,
VA Chancery Ct Record 1796-017" was a transcription that I (Barbara
Poythress Neal) prepared of the 9 documents of that court record. The
message must have been too large to make it through either my ISP or
RootsWeb's email servers.

Accordingly, I've now divided the transcription into 4 messages, which I am
about to send. Together these will cover the entire record #1796-017 from
the Chancery Court records for Brunswick County, VA, which records are
maintained by the Library of Virginia in Richmond, VA.

See messages captioned as follows:

- "Part 1 of 1796-017 CCt T Poythress Brunswick Co, VA" for the first 3
documents of this court record;

- "Part 2 of 1796-017 CCt T Poythress Brunswick Co, VA" for documents 4 &
5;

- "Part 3 of 1796-017 CCt T Poythress Brunswick Co, VA" for document 6

- "Part 4 of 1796-017 CCt T Poythress Brunswick Co, VA" for documents 7
thru 9.		11/10/2002 1:19:38
Part 1 of 1796-017 CCt T Poythress Brunswick Co, VACharles NealThe name of Thomas Poythress appears in five Chancery Court records for
Brunswick County, VA, which records are maintained by the Library of
Virginia in Richmond, VA:

1796-017 [listed first here, since it contains explanation of the problem,
dating from Dec 1782]
1788-008
1792-007
1793-008
1804-031

Transcribed below are the first 3 of the 9 documents contained in record
#1796-017. Transcription was prepared by Barbara Poythress Neal, who
invites any clarification of the reading of the various handwritings from
anyone else who has occasion to examine this record. Please note that,
while the listing of the many months of continuation notes on the outside
of the documents gets to be tedious in reading it, these are the most sure
way of ascertaining the years through which this case continued. The
abbreviation "do" or "Do" seen after the months, means "ditto." [I have
worked over a few month period, off & on, transcribing the very difficult
handwritings of this record and proofreading the results. Notations below
in square
brackets, like this, contain my own comments.]

= = =

[In Chancery Court record #1796-017, William Warwick was plaintiff & Thomas
Poythress was defendant. This record contains 9 un-numbered documents,
which are numbered here by the transcriber after being placed in logical
order. All documents except for Documents #4 & #8 are completely
handwritten.]

- [Document #1:] To the Worshipful Court of Brunswick County Sitting in
Chancery:
Humbly complaining Sheweth to your worships, your orator William Warwick,
that on the 2nd day of December 1782, he bought of a certain Thomas
Poythress (whom your orator Prays to be made defendant hereto) a certain
tract of land lying in this county, containing 214 acres, adjoining the
land called Randal's Ordinary that is adjoining the lands of your orator &
of John Taylor & Richard Heartwill [Bpn note: or possibly Heartsvill] --
that your orator paid him for the said land & another tract to wit the said
place called Randal's Ordinary [Bpn note: a word is marked out here,
possibly "income"] & the said defendant executed on the same day to your
orator a bond in the Sum of one Thousand pounds conditioned to make
complete title in fee simple to your orator in the said lands, which bond
or obligation is herewith filed & prayed to be considered as part of this
bill. That the said Defendant has only made such title in part of the said
lands, that is the Place called Randal's Ordinary, but has constantly
refused to make such title sought to your orator of and to the said 214
acres of land which is contrary to equity, & oppressive to your orator. In
tender consideration whereof & for as much as your orator is only
relievable in the premises in a court of Equity where contracts are decreed
to be specifically performed & to the end that the said Defendant may on
his oath full true & perfect [illegible; possibly "answer"] make to all &
singular the foregoing allegations as amply & completely as if he were
herein thereto[?] particularly interrogated & to the end that your worships
may decree that the Said defendant ["may" is crossed out] shall convey in
fee simple the said land consisting of 214 acres to your orator - That the
said defendant, his heirs & all claiming under him be precluded forever
from having or claiming any right or title thereto & that the same be
["force" is crossed out] vested in your orator, his heirs & assigns forever
& that your ["ora" is crossed out] Worships may grant your orator such
other & further relief in the premises as may be deemed consistent with
Equity & justice, may it please yr [Bpn note: some few letters of a word
are crossed out here] Worships to grant your orator the Commonwealth's writ
of Subpoena to be delivered[?] to the said defendant & commanding him &c by
your orator shall be
[signed] Robertson for
Compltnt

[Document #1 outside is labelled:]
R [possibly an abbreviation to indicate it was Recorded]
Wm. Warwick
v.
Thos Poythress
Bill
[two words on separate lines below this are crossed out & are illegible]

- [Document #2, which has worn away at fold marks and on some of the
edges:]
Know all men ["by these" seems to have been in the worn away fold] Presents
th? [?] Thomas Poythress of the county of Brunswick & state of Virginia am
am[sic] [worn away fold]do & firmly bound unto Wm. Warwick of said county &
state in the Just & full Sum of one thousand pounds [illegible word] to be
paid unto the said William Warwick his certain Attorney his heirs Ex'tr or
assigns to which payment will & truly to be made, I bind myself my heirs
Ex'tr adm'rs firmly by these presents Seald with hand & seal this
2nd day of Dec'r 1782
The condition of the above obligation is such that whereas the said Thomas
Poythress has sold two certain Tracts or Parcels of land in Brunswick
County the one whereon he now lives known by the name of Randle's Ordinary
containing three hundred Acres, the other in [illegible; possibly aycres]
Known by the Name of Williams' containing two hundred & fourteen acres now
if the [above?] Thomas Poythress [do so?] or Shall Make a good & lawfull
Title in said lands & give Possession by or before Christmass[sic] next
then the above obligation to void or else to Remain in full force & virtue.
[signed] Thomas Poythress, Seal
Witness
[first name of first witness is partly obliterated by fold & worn away
portion, but appears to be:] Hinshia Mabry
[first part of the first name or initial of second witness is covered by
folded corner] G Williamson

[Document #2 outside is labelled:]
Bond
T.Poythress
Subp'a [illeg]
Bk.
bring Subp'a in
Ch'cy for T'l 214
acres
out of the [worn away or folded back at the fold]
Bk [trd?]

- [Document #3 is a small piece of paper:]
Memo for W David Robertson to bring a a[sic] Suit in Chancery against Tho.
Poythress for a title to a tract of land in Brunswick County C[ next
several words illegible due to crease in paper] and called Randles
ordinary, the said Poythress is long ago removed to [the beginning letter
of something crossed out here, possibly "G"] the place called Tom.Bigby,
now under the Spanish Government.
[signed] Wm Warwick
[*Bpn note: The Tombigbee River is in the area that later, in 1832, became
the state of Alabama. This same area was indeed much earlier part of
Spanish land. Even after becoming part of the Mississippi Territory
purchased by the United States of America, this area was Indian land for
some years.]

[Document #3 outside is labelled:]
Wm. Warwick
ag't
Thomas Poythress, 214
&
John Mason & Wm.
Harrison, Surviving
Ex'rs of James Mason
Dec'd. Sub'a in ch'y		11/10/2002 1:19:55
Part 2 of 1796-017 CCt T Poythress Brunswick Co, VACharles NealThis is a continuation of a transcription of record #1796-017 from the
Chancery Court records for Brunswick County, VA, which records are
maintained by the Library of Virginia in Richmond, VA. See "Part 1 of
1796-017 CCt T Poythress Brunswick Co, VA" for the first 3 documents of
this court record.

Transcribed below are Documents 4 & 5 of the 9 documents contained in
record #1796-017. Transcription was prepared by Barbara Poythress Neal, who
invites any clarification of the reading of the various handwritings from
anyone else who has occasion to examine this record. Please note that,
while the listing of the many months of continuation notes on the outside
of the documents gets to be tedious in reading it, these are the most sure
way of ascertaining the years through which this case continued. The
abbreviation "do" or "Do" seen after the months, means "ditto." [Notations
in square brackets, like this, contain my own comments.]

- [Document #4 is a pre-printed form, with handwriting filling the blanks.
The handwritten portions will be contained between double asterisks "**"
here. The pre-printed form's letter "s" is the old-style of print-font that
looks like a lowercase "f" without the crossbar.]
The Commonwealth of VIRGINIA to the sheriff of **Brunswick** county,
greeting. We command you, that you summon **Thomas Poythress, and John
Mason, & William Harrison, Surviving Executors of James Mason dec'd** to
appear before our Justices of our county court of **Brunswick** at their
courthouse of said county, on the **4th Monday in March [note a
handwritten word is crossed out here]** next, then and there to answer a
bill in Chancery against **them** exhibited by **William Warwick** And
this **they** shall no wise omit under the penalty of 100l. **each** And
have then there also this writ. WITNESS **Charles B. Jones** clerk of our
said court at the office, the **6th** day of **December** 17**93** [Bpn
note: the form had been printed to say 178_ but the clerk had written a "9"
over the preprinted "8" to make the year now read "1793"] and in the
**18th** year of the commonwealth.
[signed] C B Jones

[Document #4 outside is completely in handwriting. Document had been folded
into three panels:]
[First panel of Document #4 outside:]
January 1794
James Harrison [just below the end of Harrison's name is a squiggle,
possibly 2 letters of someone's initials written together]

[Second panel of Document #4 outside:]
Sp'a in Ch'y
Warwick
vs
Poythress & Masons Ex'ers
=
1794 April abates to Masons ex'or & cont for Bill
May Court for Bill
June do July Do Aug't Do
Sept'r Do Oct'r Do Nov'r Do
Dec'r Do
1795 Jan'y Feb'y Mar Do April Dism'd for Want of Bill
May reinstated & ord to the [calls?]

[Third panel of Document #4 outside:]
June Bill filed &Cont'd for ans'r.
July Cont for ans'r
Aug't Do Sep'r Do Oct'o Do
Nov'r Do Dec'r Do
=
1796 Jan'y Do [here crossed out is "February Do"]
February abates by the
Plf's death
=

- [Document #5. Note "Poythress" is spelled "Poythess" throughout this one
document:]
Jno Walton & Mary his wife late widow of Wm Warwick, dec'd
vs
Thos Poythess Senr
This suit was formerly brought in the name of Wm Warwick but by the Death
of Warwick abated. The Land is will'd by Warwick to Mary Walton late Mary
Warwick in fee.
The case is as follows (to wit)
Richard Randle & Mary his wife made a Deed to Jas Mason bearing date the
10th April 1780. James Mason sold the Land to Thos Poythess Senr [note a
date is crossed out here] and on the 1st Sept 1782 [note, this date is very
difficult to read] upon giving Poythess a Receipt in full for the amount
The sd Mason bound himself in an obligation to make a good and lawfull
Title for the premises afr'd [aforesaid] to the sd Poythess which written
obligation was afterwards assignd to William Warwick, who never
recievd[sic] a Deed for the sd Land of the sd Poythess or did the sd
Poythess ever recieve[sic] a Deed from James Mason who is now dead &
insolvent. Poythess resides in the State of Georgia.

[Document #5 on the back appears to be a continuation from the front side:]
The Deed from Randal & wife to Mason is herewith enclosd, No.1
The Recpt [illeg initials or short word] from Mason to Poythess with the
assignment on the Back is also herewith enclosd, No.2		11/10/2002 1:20:05
Part 3 of 1796-017 CCt T Poythress Brunswick Co, VACharles NealThis is a continuation of a transcription of record #1796-017 from the
Chancery Court records for Brunswick County, VA, which records are
maintained by the Library of Virginia in Richmond, VA. See "Part 1 of
1796-017 CCt T Poythress Brunswick Co, VA" for the first 3 documents of
this court record, and "Part 2 of 1796-017 CCt T Poythress Brunswick Co,
VA" for documents 4 & 5.

Transcribed below is Documents 6 of the 9 documents contained in record
#1796-017. Transcription was prepared by Barbara Poythress Neal, who
invites any clarification of the reading of the various handwritings from
anyone else who has occasion to examine this record. Please note that,
while the listing of the many months of continuation notes on the outside
of the documents gets to be tedious in reading it, these are the most sure
way of ascertaining the years through which this case continued. The
abbreviation "do" or "Do" seen after the months, means "ditto." [Notations
in square brackets, like this, contain my own comments.]

- [Document #6:]
To the worshipful Court of Brunswick Co Sitting in Chancery.
Humbly complaining Then to your worships, your orator, John Walton and
your oratrix Mary Walton his wife, who was late Mary Warwick widow & relict
of William Warwick decd, that the Said William Warwick purchased and fully
paid for in his life time a certain tract of land situate and being in this
County [blank space is left here] containing [blank space is left here]
acres [blank space is left here] of a certain Thomas Poythress, from whom
he took a bond in the penalty of [blank space is left here] pounds
conditioned to make or cause to be made & secured to the Said William
Warwick an indefensible right & title in fee Simple of, in & to the Said
tract of Land which bond is herewith filed & prayed to be considered as
part of this bill - That the Said Poythress had long ago left this
commonwealth & that his particular place of residence is not known to your
orator & oratrix - that the said Poythress had not the legal, but had
certainly an equitable, title to the Said land & bought it of a certain
James Mason who has since departed this life, who put him in possession
thereof & who received full Satisfaction for it from the Said Poythress,
who was in possession of it when the Said William Warwick purchased it. -
That the Said William Warwick by his last will & testament which is duly
recorded in this worshipful court & prayed to be considered a part of this
bill of complaint, Devised all his right & title to the Said Land to your
oratrix: that the Said Warwick was in possession of and enjoyed the Said
Land for several years & your orator & oratrix in her right now are in
possession of it - but that the legal title is in the heirs of the Said
James Mason, who are as follow, to wit: [Edmund Mason's name is first, but
is lined out], George Mason & Jane Mason, children & coheirs of the Said
James Mason decd, William Thompson Mason, James Mason & Edmund Mason
children & coheirs of Edmund Mason who was son & coheir of the said first
mentioned James Mason, Robert Mabry & Rebecca his wife who was late Rebecca
Mason, Ira Ellis & Polly his wife who was late Polly Mason also daughter of
the said deceased James Mason, all of whom as well as the said Poythress
your orator prays to be made defendants hereto, the infants hereafter
mentioned to be made defts by [illegible word beginning with "P" or "R"] [a
couple of words are crossed out here, and above them was written in
something that looks like:] their grandson[?] - That the said children of
Edmund Mason are infants under lawful age [crossed out here is "are
infants"] and by law incompetent & unable to convey the legal right
remaining in them as representing their said ancestor James Mason, to your
orator & oratrix, which in injurious to them & repugnant to equity - which
Said infants are prayed to be made defendants hereto by their guardian to
be appointed by this court. Your orator & oratrix State further that the
Said Land was conveyed in fee simple by a certain Richard Randle to the
Said Mason by deed of Indenture, which is duly recorded in this worshipful
court & prayed to be considered as part of this bill - That the Said Mason
granted a receipt in full to the Said Poythress for the consideration money
for the sale of the said Land & thereby promised & obliged himself, his
heirs &c [note: "&c" is an abbreviation for "etc"] to make a sufficient &
absolute right in fee Simple in & to the said Land to the Said Poythress, &
which receipt the said Poythress assigned by an indorsement thereon in his
own hand writing to the Said Warwick when he Sold & delivered him
possession of the Said Land: which receipt is herewith also filed and
prayed to be considered as part of this bill - That though your orator &
oratrix in her right use in justice & equity enter [note: possibly
"entertain" but the edge of the paper is worn away here] the legal right in
fee simple of the said land as well as to the perception & enjoyment of its
rents, issues & profits, yet from the infancy of the said Mason defendants
& other causes before recited, they are deprived of such right & title; &
may by possibility & accident be deprived hereafter of the means of
establishing the Same altogether without the aid of a court of equity: In
tender consideration whereof & because [note: probably "your orator" but
paper is worn away at fold here] oratrix can only be released in the
presence[?] [note: a word is missing where paper is worn away here] court
of equity, and to the end that all the [note: probably "said" but partially
missing where paper is worn away here] defendants & pray fully &
unevasively answer all the foregoing allegations on oath & that they shall
be decreed by this wor: court to be forever bound & precluded from all
right title to the Said land & be decreed & ordered to convey their
respective rights to the Said Land to your orator & oratrix for the benefit
of your oratrix and that your orator & oratrix be adjudged & decreed to
have & enjoy the Same land in fee simple; and that the infant defendants be
precluded also from all right & title to the same & decreed to convey their
rights & titles therein to your oratrix [a few words are crossed out here]
according to the usual principles of courts of equity in similar cases: or
that such other & further relief may be decreed to your oratrix & orator in
the premises as may be deemed equitable & their case may justly require.
May it please You Worships to grant your orator & oratrix the
Commonwealth's writ of Subpoena to be directed to the Said Defendants
commanding them &c & your orator & oratrix shall &c
[signed] Robertson for Complts

[Document #6 outside, first of two panels:]
John Walton & wife
late Mary Warwick
vs
Jas. Mason's heirs & others
Bill & voucher included
= = =
1799 April Bill filed & Cont for Ansrs
May Cont for ansrs
June do & July Do Aug 1 Do
Sept do; Octr Do; Novr do
December do
=
1800 Jany Do Feby Do
March do April do
May do
May Ct ordered[?] & Decree [issued?]
June Cont
July Contd Augt do
Septr Do Octr do Novr
Do Decr Do

[Document #6 outside, second of two panels:]
1801 Jany Contd Febry Do March Do April do May do June Do July Do Augt Do
Septr
Do Octr Do Novr Do Decr Do
=
1802 Jany Do Feby Do March Do April Do May Do June Do July Do Augt Do
Septr Spa iss & Cont for ansrs [subpoenas issued & continued for answers]
Octr cont for ansr
Novr Do Decr Do
=
1803 Jany Do Feby Do March Do April Do May Do June Do July Do Augt Do Septr
do
Octr do Novr Do Decr Do
=
1804 Jany Do Feby Do Feby Do Mar Do Apl Dismsd[?]		11/10/2002 1:20:15
Part 4 of 1796-017 CCt T Poythress Brunswick Co, VACharles NealThis is the conclusion of a transcription of record #1796-017 from the
Chancery Court records for Brunswick County, VA, which records are
maintained by the Library of Virginia in Richmond, VA. See
- "Part 1 of 1796-017 CCt T Poythress Brunswick Co, VA" for the first 3
documents of this court record;
- "Part 2 of 1796-017 CCt T Poythress Brunswick Co, VA" for documents 4 &
5;
- "Part 3 of 1796-017 CCt T Poythress Brunswick Co, VA" for document 6

Transcribed below are Documents 7 thru 9 of the 9 documents contained in
record #1796-017. Transcription was prepared by Barbara Poythress Neal, who
invites any clarification of the reading of the various handwritings from
anyone else who has occasion to examine this record. Please note that,
while the listing of the many months of continuation notes on the outside
of the documents gets to be tedious in reading it, these are the most sure
way of ascertaining the years through which this case continued. The
abbreviation "do" or "Do" seen after the months, means "ditto." [Notations
in square brackets, like this, contain my own comments.]

[Document #7:]
In the name of God Amen. I John Mason of Greensville County being of sound
Mind do ordain my last Will and Testament making void all other will or
wills heretofore made. I lend my wife Mary Mason the parcel of Land held by
Peter Wyche by purchase from William Harrison, but in case her pregnancy
should prove abortive or the child should not arive[sic] to a lawful age
Then I give and bequeath the above mentioned Land to my said wife to her
and her heirs forever. I give and bequeath to my expected Child all the
Land I had of Edward Smith with the Land Peter Wyche had of William Waller
and I had of Peter Wyche to the said Child and its heirs and assigns
forever. I give and bequeath to my wife all my personal Estate of
whatsoever kind after paying all my just Debts. I likewise give unto my
said wife all the Rents arising from the above mentioned Lands for to
assist her in the raising and Educating of my expected Child: I give the
Lands which I exchanged with my Brother Edmund Mason to Arthur, Bolling,
Little James & John their heirs &c when Arthur is of Age as I have limitted
in the Deed of Emancipation and the Rent until then to be given my said
wife for to assist her in the raising and Educating of my expected Child. I
give and bequeath unto little Nanny and all other Slaves now claimed by me
in whole or in part all that liberty and freedom which I might on the
footing of law lay claim to with their offsprings forever. It is my Will &
desire that my above mentioned Lands should not be cleared nor cut to make
any waste more than is necessary for the support of the same. It is my Will
and deire that if my expected Child should arive[sic] to a lawful age -
that it shall have the Land lent to my wife at her death, to that and its
heirs and assigns forever. I further desire that Negro Anthony should live
where he has lately built him a House uninterrupted allowing him fire wood,
Ground for a Garden, Cotton patch & Potatoes rent free during life provided
he behaves well as I believe he will - and likewise that Anne Jefferson
should enjoy the same privilege where she now lives if she chooses it upon
the same Terms. It is my will and desire that my Uncle William Harrison, my
friends Ingram Blanks and Robert Rivers together with my Brother in law
Irwin Maclin when of age should act as my Executors and my wife Executrix
to this my last will & Testament. I desire to be buried in a plain manner
without any Spirits at all by that person my wife shall make choice of. I
ordain this to be my last will & Testament as Witness I have hereunto set
my hand and seal this ninth Day of April One Thousand Seven Hundred and
Ninety Three.
John Mason (L.S.)
Signed sealed & acknowledged
in the presence of
Hubbard Hobbs, Frederich Hobbs, Nath'l. Mabry.

[Outside of Document #7 bears following at the top of the sheet:]
Duly proved and admitted to record At Greensville County Court
August 1793, and Mary Mason the Executrix therein named qualified
thereto according to Law. Teste P. Pelham, Cl. Cur
Extract from the Records Testa P. Pelham, C.of C.

[Outside of Document #7 bears following label in one folded panel:]
Copy
John[sic] Mason's Will
For John Walton
Brunsw'k

[Document #8 is a pre-printed form, with handwriting filling the blanks.
The handwritten portions will be contained between double asterisks "**"
here. The pre-printed form's letter "s" is the old-style of print-font that
looks like a lowercase "f" without the crossbar.]
The Commonwealth of VIRGINIA to the sheriff of **Brunswick** county,
greeting. We command you, that you summon **Thomas Poythress and Robert
Mabry and Rebecca his wife who was late Rebecca Mason, widow and Extrix of
James Mason decd and William Harrison, John Mason & Benja Jones suv'd exers
of the said James Mason decd, Edmunds & George Mason sons of the sd Jas
Mason decd, and Jane Mason daughter of the sd James Mason decd** to appear
before our Justices of our county court of **Brunswick** at their
courthouse of said county, on the **4th Monday in March** next, then and
there to answer a bill in Chancery against **them** exhibited by **John
Walton & Mary his wife late Mary Warwick widow & Devisee of William Warwick
dec'd** And this **they** shall in no wise omit under the penalty of
100l. **each** And have then there also this writ. WITNESS **Herbert
Hill** clerk of our said court at the office, the **26th** day of
**February** 17**98** [Bpn note: the form had been printed to say 178_
but the clerk had written a "9" over the preprinted "8" to make the year
now read "1798"] and in the **22nd** year of the commonwealth.
[signed] H.Hill

[Outside of Document #8 bears following handwritten label at the top of the
sheet:]
1798 March 13th Ecid [sic: apparently meant as an abbreviation to show the
subpoena had been "executed"] on Benja Jones and those Pres't on
Inhabitints[sic]
[signed] Freid'h [appears to probably be an abbreviation for Frederich]
Greene
[signed] D?ty [appears to possibly be an abbreviation for Deputy] of Joh[a
or n] Stith, Shff

[Outside of Document #8 bears following label in one folded panel:]
R [possibly an abbreviation to indicate it was Recorded]
Spa in chy [apparently an abbreviation for Subpoena in Chancery suit]
Walton
Vs
Poythress Sr
=
1798 April Cont for Bill
May Cont for Bill
June Ditto July Do
Augt Do Sepbr Do
Ocbr Do Novr Do
December Do
=
1799 Jany Feby & March
Do


[Document #9]
Brunswick County May Court 18hundred
John Walton & Mary his wife late Mary Warwick widow and Devisee of William
Warwick Dec'd, Complts
against
Thomas Poythress & Robert Mabry and Rebecca his wife formerly Rebecca Mason
widow & e'trix of James Mason dec'd and William Harrison, Benjamin Jones
and John Mason exers of James Mason dec'd and Edmunds[,] George and Jane
Mason sons & daughter of the aforesaid James Mason, Defts
In chancery
It appearing to the court that the subpoena which issued in this cause have
been regularly served on the Deft Benjamin Jones and the Bill filed in this
cause more than three months past and the said defendant have failed to
appear and put in his answer thereto agreeable to the rules of this court.
On the motion of the Complainants by their counsel it is ordered and
decreed that the complts Bill be taken for confessed[?] and the matters
thereof decreed accordingly and that the Defts pay the cost of this suit
but this decree shall be null & void if the sd Deft shall appear and file
his answer on or before August term next.
A Copy Teste
[signed] Herbert Hill Cl SC
(2) [this number is either in parentheses or is circled]

[Outside of Document #9, at top]
10th July 1800 Executed
Jas Harrison Dep for
Richd Fletcher Shff

[Outside of Document #9, in one panel of folded document]
Walton & wife
vs
Poythress &al
[illegible abbreviation, possibly Cpy ordered]
4 [this number is circled]
answer

[Outside of Document #9, in another panel, computations done apparently in
pounds and shillings to come up with the costs of the suit. Ink blotches
make this difficult to read.]		11/10/2002 1:20:25
John Lewis Poythress > Edward Poythress evidenceCharles NealLyn, I (BPN) got my genie program back up & running, and I had absolutely
no marriage info re either Harriett or George, so I, too, would appreciate
hearing from anyone who could answer your 2 questions -

>Please does anyone have the age and parents of George Y. Poythress as
stated on the Granville marriage register? Does anyone have a marriage of
a Harriett Poythress, b. ca 1834, between 1850 and 1870?<

= = = =
Sender: POYTHRESS-L-request@rootsweb.com
From: "Lyn Baird"
Subject: John Lewis Poythress > Edward Poythress evidence
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:45:08 -0500
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Pat, Barbara, Sarah and Elaine, I think the information you have provided
supports our theory that John Lewis Poythress is the son of Edward and
Mahaley Nance Poythress. When I piece together the evidence, here's what I
see:

1828 - Edward Poythress marries Mahala (Mahaley) Nance in Mecklenburg Co.,
Virginia
1846 - Mortimer D. Tanner, son of Evans and Rebecca Tanner, marries
Elizabeth Walker in Mecklenburg Co., Virginia
1850 - Evans and Rebecca Tanner are next-door neighbors of Edward and
Mahaly Poythress in Mecklenburg Co., Virginia
1850 - John Poythress, born about 1829, lives in the home of Mortimer and
Elizabeth Tanner in Granville Co., North Carolina
between 1850 and 1856 - (ca) John Lewis Poythress marries Tabitha Ann Nunn,
jurisdiction unknown
1856 - Sarah A. V. Poythress, daughter of Edward and Mahaley Poythress,
marries German D. Redman in Mecklenburg Co., Virginia
1860 - John Lewis and Tabitha Poythress reside in Mecklenburg Co.,
Virginia, with their first three children
1860 - Edward and Mahaley Poythress, with adult daughter Elizabeth, reside
in Granville Co., North Carolina
1861 - George Y. Poythress marries Permelia S. Redman in Granville Co.,
North Carolina

At a minimum, we have as public record a John Poythress, of about the same
age as John Lewis Poythress, living in the home of the son of the immediate
neighbor of Edward and Mahaley Poythress. Correct?

My theory is that John Lewis Poythress, the eldest son of the poorer
neighbor (a laborer), hires out to the eldest son of the richer neighbor (a
merchant). John does alright and later his parents and siblings George and
Elizabeth follow the trail to Granville. John reverses direction for a
brief sojourn in Mecklenburg, but then returns to North Carolina and
settles for life. Brother George marries a near relative of his sister's
husband. Oh yes, and it should also be noted that Edward named his first
son after his father, Lewis, and his prematurely deceased brother, John;
and his second son after his Uncle George.

Please does anyone have the age and parents of George Y. Poythress as
stated on the Granville marriage register? Does anyone have a marriage of
a Harriett Poythress, b. ca 1834, between 1850 and 1870?

Happy hunting,
Lyn Baird		11/10/2002 2:05:38
Re: A Poythress obit.Julian and Ruth BellOn Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:49:43 -0400 Charles Neal
writes:
> Thanks so much, Julian, for posting the obituary for the widow of F.
> A. Poythress.

Yur wulcum.

> When I saw your name, I couldn't help but wonder whether by any
> chance you
> might possibly be a descendant from the Poythress whose first name I
> believe (going only by memory here) was Littleberry, and who died in
> Mississippi in the early-to-mid 1800s, and whose daughter married a
> Bell?

Nope. There are a number of southern Bells, none of which to whom I
connect. My father (I was named after him) was an officer in a B-17 shot
down and killed before I was born. His father, with the name of West
Louis Spedding Bell, was from England, and was a "remittance man," paid a
regular amount to stay away from the family business (Lamport and Holt
Lines of Liverpool) and let (I presume) his brother Edward run things.
More to the story, but not now. My line goes: me > Helene Lois Thornton
> Lawrence Dade Thornton > Baynham Baylor Thornton > Daniel McCarty
Fitzhugh Thornton = Mary Jackson Dade > Gen. Lawrence Taliaferro Dade
(b.1785) = Anne Mayo > William Mayo = Elizabeth Bland Poythress > Peter
Poythress = Elizabeth Bland and on back from there.

> I was curious and looked up your Biblical reference with your
signature,
> Jeremiah 33:3 (KJV). I'm travelling & don't have the KJV with me,
> but the Revised English Version

Glad to see that you had an RSV along on the trip!

> has it as "If you call to me I shall answer, and
> tell you great and mysterious things of which you are still
> unaware." I
> reckon the reference is not meant genealogically, but just in case
> you were
> giving us a clue that we should call on you to reveal all the Poythress
> descendants from the Francis Poythress who was in Virginia in 1632,
> I'll ask

Ha!! ... The Scripture, like many, had an application both to the people
in Jeremiah's time and to folks in many ages to follow. Jesus said that
"you have not because you ask not" and it is really curious to me that
people seem to try God out so little. Both Scriptures have a
genealogical application, too, don't they? It's all about inquiry,
exploration and asking the right questions.

> Again, thanks for posting the obituary you found for us.
> Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Geneaology Research Web
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

-- Julian P. Bell II BellJP@juno.com Jeremiah 33:3 (KJV)		11/10/2002 6:16:35
Re: A Poythress obit.Bell does seem to be a Poythress family name though. Everywhere you look, you
see Bell and variant spellings of it. My grandmother was Ola Bell, her
brother, John Bell. Both descendants of the Poythress.

Re: Littleberry, so he did die in Mississippi? Is this the same Littleberry
that received the land in Mississippi from service in the military by Van
Buren? From Northampton Co, NC. I'm still trying to make the connection to
him and my set.

Crystal 🙂



11/11/2002 2:55:29
Poythress in 2 Brown cases of Chancery Ct, Brunswick Co, VACharles NealThe name of Poythress (in various spellings) appears in five Chancery Court
records filed by Brown family members in Brunswick County, VA, which
records are maintained by the Library of Virginia ("LVA") in Richmond, VA.
The five cases were filed by Brown family members against one another and
executors/administrators on Brown estate matters.

I (Barbara Poythress Neal) found that the Poythress name shows up in all 5
of these cases because of Rebecca Brown. We learn she was a daughter of
Richardson Brown, who died sometime not long before 22 Nov 1823, and that
she was a niece of John Brown, who died some time after he signed his Will
in November 1827. Rebecca was married to Willis Poythress (spelled
Portrice & Portress & Poytress & Poythress). Rebecca and Willis were
already married prior to the first case in 1824.

NOTE: I recall in the past having seen the name of Willis Portress/Poytress
in Revolutionary War records. His participation in that War is not
mentioned anywhere in these cases. Unfortunately, the only information I
could glean about Willis himself as I combed through these 5 cases, was
some indication that he was presumed to be still alive at certain times,
and that he was the husband of Rebecca Brown.

Presented below and in accompanying postings is info that may help in
Poythress research, which I culled from these cases. Many of the pages in
these 5 cases are in handwritings that are very difficult to read. I have
no plan at this time to transcribe or abstract these cases.

The first of the 5 cases is:

CASE #1824-005:
LVA Chancery Court Index lists this as Plaintiffs being Edward M. Brown
ETC; Defendants being Executors of Richardson Brown ETC; and Surnames
included as being Brown, Grubbs, Grubs, Portrice; Wills - None.

Upon examination, I found other surnames that were not listed in the LVA
Chancery Court Index: Lucas, Lucy, Rainey, Reid. I also found the first
names of 12 slaves (see below).

I found that obtaining a copy of this case would require 10 photocopies to
be made.

In this case we learn that Richardson Brown had died sometime prior to 22
Nov 1823. On that date, a motion was filed to assign to RB's widow, Mary,
her dower portion of his estate. No Will for him was included in the case
documents, but we know he had a Will because the case refers to Thomas R.
Brown as one of the executors. This case lists RB's heirs, who included
"Rebecca Portrice, wife of Willis Portrice, late Brown." Other heirs are
Thomas R. Brown, Jabez N. Brown, John Brown, Edward M. Brown, Lewis H.
Brown, Thomas W. Grubbs & Lucy his wife, Agnes P.M.J. Brown, Aaron Brown.

This case includes a report, dated 12 Nov 1824, setting off the widow's
dower third for Mary of RB's 219 acres and other assets. Set off for the
widow's dower interest:
- 73 acres including the mansion house. The report notes that the
remaining 146 acres were sold after giving reasonable public notice at
February Brunswick Court, on a credit of 12 months, to Edmunds T. Lucas at
$1.98/acre, but further notes that "Frederick Lucy ultimately was the
purchaser, after deducting Commissions & Costs leaving the sum of $272.63,
for which Frederick Lucy has given Bond and Security according to the Terms
of Sale."

In this same report it is shown how the Commissioners came up with the
allotment to Mary Brown of her "Dower in the Slaves of her dec'd Husband
Richardson Brown, agreeable to the Decree and Valuation as Follows to Wit:
Clarasy $275;
Nelly $325
Maria $375
Joe $50
Jenny $20
Mary $175
Peter $300
Bob $250
Mary $150
Davy $175
Peggy $100
Angelina $100"
Total shown as $2275; Widow's third shown as $758 1/3.

On the same report, the above listing of slaves is followed by a listing
that, of them, the widow got:
Nelly valued at $325
Peter valued at $300
Mary valued at $150
Total shown as $775
The report concludes that by deducting from this $775 the appropriate
widow's portion of 758 1/3, leaves a balance of $16 2/3, with the notation
that the widow fell indebted by the above Sum of $16 2/3 and gave Bond to
the Commissioners for that sum. The Commissioners signing the report were
Frederick Lucy, William Rainey Sr., and Jesse Reid.

The second of the 5 cases is:

CASE #1835-002:
LVA Chancery Court Index lists this as Plaintiffs being Aaron J.J. Brown
ETC; Defendants being Executor of Richardson Brown; Surnames included as
being Brown, Grubbs, Grubs, Kelly, Portress, Poytress; Wills - None.

Upon examination, I found other surnames that were not listed in the LVA
Chancery Court Index, including Bonner, Dr. Claiborne, Duggan, Merritt,
Morrison, Rainey, Turnbull.

I found that obtaining a copy of this case would require 18 photocopies to
be made.

This was a follow-up re the division of the estate of Richardson Brown.
There is still no copy of his Will. RB's widow, Mary, is still alive as of
this time (April 1835), and she is anticipated to live another 4 years at
least, as far as setting up the equivalent of her life estate for
accounting purposes.

One of the documents [the outside of which is the one bearing Turnbull's
name and dated notations for March 1835 and June 1835] clearly states that
Mary had renounced the provisions of RB's Will, choosing instead to take
her one third dower interest in his estate. That document also mentions
that:
- RB's Executors were John Brown and Thomas R. Brown, and that the said
John Brown has since died [from later cases in this series, we can conclude
that John Brown, RB's Executor, was RB's brother];
- that RB's Will specifically bequeathed "his slaves to his widow & a part
of his children by name" including Nelly to Lucy D. Grubbs, and Peter to
Thos. R. Brown
- that Defendants Aaron Brown and Agnes Brown have instituted suit to
recover a considerable portion of the slaves left by RB, which suit has
been referred to arbitrators who have decided that Aaron & Agnes are not
entitled to the slaves sued for, but only to the provisions made for them
by RB, which thus led to the extensive listing of accounting in this case.

Reference to the decree in this case finally confirmed that the heirs were
children of RB. Rebecca's husband Willis Portress/Poytress was still alive
as of the 1 April 1835 report of Commissioner (which report listed the
amounts that each heir needed to pay to balance out the accounts).

The listing of accounts includes the info that Jabez N. Brown had been
given some specific legacy [not identified] in the Will of Richardson
Brown. Further info includes that the following slaves had been willed
directly to certain heirs by Richardson Brown, though it is clear that they
had been hired out from 1824 until 1 April 1835, rather than being
delivered to the heirs, and that they were then each sold, though I could
find no indication of the name of the buyers:
- David Bonner, willed to A.J.J. Brown
- Mary Ann, willed to Agnes Brown
The listing includes the info that the slave Nelly had a daughter Prudence.		11/11/2002 5:30:29
Poythress in 3rd Brown case of Chancery Ct, Brunswick Co, VACharles NealThis posting is a continuation on findings of the name of Poythress (in
various spellings) appearing in five Chancery Court records filed by Brown
family members in Brunswick County, VA, which records are maintained by the
Library of Virginia ("LVA") in Richmond, VA. The five cases were filed by
Brown family members against one another and executors/administrators on
Brown estate matters.

The prior posting was captioned "Poythress in 2 Brown cases of Chancery Ct,
Brunswick Co, VA"

As stated before, I (Barbara Poythress Neal) found that the Poythress name
shows up in all 5 of these cases because of Rebecca Brown. We learn she
was a daughter of Richardson Brown, who died sometime not long before 22
Nov 1823, and that she was a niece of John Brown, who died some time after
he signed his Will in November 1827. Rebecca was married to Willis
Poythress (spelled Portrice & Portress & Poytress & Poythress). Rebecca
and Willis were already married prior to the first case in 1824.

NOTE: As stated before, I recall in the past having seen the name of Willis
Portress/Poytress in Revolutionary War records. His participation in that
War is not mentioned anywhere in these cases. Unfortunately, the only
information I could glean about Willis himself as I combed through these 5
cases, was some indication that he was presumed to be still alive at
certain times, and that he was the husband of Rebecca Brown.

Presented below continues info that may help in Poythress research, which I
culled from these cases. Many of the pages in these 5 cases are in
handwritings that are very difficult to read. I have no plan at this time
to transcribe or abstract these cases.

The third of the 5 cases is:

CASE #1851-005:
LVA Chancery Court Index lists this case's Plaintiffs being Aaron J.J.
Brown; Defendants being Edward M. Brown ETC; Surnames included as being
Brown, Grubbs, Kelly, Poytress, Turnbull; Wills - None.

Upon examination, I also found the surname spelling of "Poythress" to be
included in this case, even though it was not listed in the LVA Chancery
Court Index. Additional surnames were found, including Wilkes [B.B. Wilkes
was the administrator for Thomas R. Brown, deceased], Lucy [Samuel K. Lucy,
Commissioner]. Also additional names of slaves were found (see below).

I found that obtaining a copy of this case would require 44 photocopies to
be made.

This case still has no copy of Richardson Brown's Will, though one of the
documents mentions that the Will was duly recorded in Brunswick County when
RB died "many years ago." By the time of this case, RB's widow, Mary, is
"lately deceased."

The complaint of Aaron J.J. Brown in this case indicates that, now as a
result of Mary Brown being deceased, her dower portion of the estate of
Richardson Brown "remains for division among the legatees of the sd
testator [RB], a small piece of land about 73 acres, of a less value than
$300, to each legatee's share -- and an old negro woman & another woman &
her two children which can not be divided in kind..."

An affidavit dated 30 Sept 1850 indicates that Rebecca and Willis
Poythress, and several other heirs, were no longer residents of the state.


By 7 Nov 1850, the newspaper "Petersburg Intelligencer" had published for 4
consecutive weeks a legal notice, quoted below.
Unfortunately when the legal notice was photocopied, the right-hand edge of
the newspaper clipping from the "Petersburg Intelligencer" was folded back,
obliterating the final letters/word at the right side. Missing letters/word
will be indicated here by square brackets containing xxx, like this [xxx]
or by me filling in the letters/word I think are logical in square
brackets, like this Bro[wn].

"VIRGINIA -- IN CHANCERY.-- At rules held in the Clerk's Office of the
County Court of Brunswick in the month of October, 1850:
Aaron J. J. Brown [Plaintiff]
against
Edward M. Brown, John Brown, Lucy D. Grubbs, John W. Kelly and Agnes M.P.J.
his wife, Willis Poythress and Rebecca his wife, Jabez N. Brown, B.B.
Wilkes adm'r. Thomas R. Brown and the children of Thomas R. Brown, who are
[un]known [Defendants]
The object of this suit is to obtain a decree for [xxx] of the dower land
and negroes lately held by [Mary] Brown, dec'd, as the widow of Richardson
Brow[n] for the proceeds of the sale to be divided among [the] parties
entitled.
It appearing that the defendants Edward M. [Brown,] John Brown, Lucy D.
Grubbs, John W. Kelly [and Ag]nes M.P.J. his wife, Willis Poythress and
Reb[ecca his] wife, and Jabez N. Brown, are not resident[s of this] State,
and that the children of Thomas R. Br[own are] unknown, the said absent and
unknown defend[ants are] required to appear within one month after due
[publica]tion of this order and do what is necessary to [protect] their
interests.
This order shall be published in the Petersb[urg Intel]ligencer once a
week for four successive w[eeks and] posted at the front door of the
Courthouse of t[he Coun]ty on the first day of the next term. A Copy.
oc2:--w4w E.R. TURNBULL"

This case includes one report that, pursuant to a decree, the Commissioner
did "on the 23rd day of December 1850, at Laurenceville, after giving
reasonable notice of the time and place of Sale, sell to the highest
bidder, for cash, the dower negroes held by Mary Brown dec'd in the estate
of Richardson Brown dec'd, to wit: Mary, Betty, Lucy & Lyonecia to Aron
J.J. Brown for $721..." and "On the same day and place, I sold to the
highest bidder on a credit of twelve months, the dower land held by the
said Mary Brown dec'd in the estate... 73 acres... to Aron J.J. Brown for
$171, who executed eight separate bonds of $21.37 1/2 cents each, payable
12 months after date, with George L. Rogers as his security..." giving one
bond for each heir. Jno W. Kelly (husband of Agnes P.M.J., one of the
heirs) not only received the bond for his wife, but he was also the
Attorney In Fact who was given these bonds for several of the heirs: Lucy
D. Grubbs, "Willis Poytress & wife Rebecca," and E.M. Brown. There was no
indication of how Kelly would get the funds to Poythress or the other
heirs, and no indication of where Poythress or the other heirs were then
located. Three bonds were returned by the Commissioner to the Court, those
for John Brown, Jabez N. Brown, and the children of Thomas R. Brown, dec'd.		11/11/2002 5:30:36
Poythress in 4th Brown case of Chancery Ct, Brunswick Co, VACharles NealThis posting is a continuation on findings of the name of Poythress (in
various spellings) appearing in five Chancery Court records filed by Brown
family members in Brunswick County, VA, which records are maintained by the
Library of Virginia ("LVA") in Richmond, VA. The five cases were filed by
Brown family members against one another and executors/administrators on
Brown estate matters.

The prior postings were captioned
- "Poythress in 2 Brown cases of Chancery Ct, Brunswick Co, VA"
- "Poythress in 3rd Brown case of Chancery Ct, Brunswick Co, VA"

As stated before, I (Barbara Poythress Neal) found that the Poythress name
shows up in all 5 of these cases because of Rebecca Brown. We learn she
was a daughter of Richardson Brown, who died sometime not long before 22
Nov 1823, and that she was a niece of John Brown, who died some time after
he signed his Will in November 1827. Rebecca was married to Willis
Poythress (spelled Portrice & Portress & Poytress & Poythress). Rebecca
and Willis were already married prior to the first case in 1824.

NOTE: As stated before, I recall in the past having seen the name of Willis
Portress/Poytress in Revolutionary War records. His participation in that
War is not mentioned anywhere in these cases. Unfortunately, the only
information I could glean about Willis himself as I combed through these 5
cases, was some indication that he was presumed to be still alive at
certain times, and that he was the husband of Rebecca Brown.

Presented below continues info that may help in Poythress research, which I
culled from these cases. Many of the pages in these 5 cases are in
handwritings that are very difficult to read. I have no plan at this time
to transcribe or abstract these cases.

The 4th of the 5 cases is:

CASE #1864-009:
LVA Chancery Court Index lists this as Plaintiffs being Administrator of
Thomas Brown; Defendants being Administrator of John Davis ETC; Surnames
included as being Baugh, Brown, Davis, Poytress, Scoggins; Wills -
None[sic].

While this case still did not include a copy of the Will of Richardson
Brown, however it does include the Will of John Brown, of Brunswick County,
Virginia, signed on either the 5th or 6th of November 1827 [transcribed
below].

I also noted other surnames that were not listed in the LVA Chancery Court
Index, including Abernathy and Clayton.

I found that obtaining a copy of this case would require 12 photocopies to
be made.

The Plaintiff who is Administrator for Thomas Brown is B.B. Wilkes
[previously mentioned in the 3rd Brown case], and the Defendant who is
Administrator for "John Davis &c", is Edward Clayton [Bpn note: through the
years, I've learned that Clayton was at times alternately spelled
"Cleaton"] Clayton is also referred to as "administrator de bonis non." I
think I am correctly recalling that this refers to an administrator who has
replaced an earlier administrator, but I don't have a Black's Law
Dictionary handy to check that.]

Three of the documents in this case were written, front & back, on small
sheets. Each of these three had so much of the ink bleed through the paper
that it is extremely difficult to read the photocopies of them. In these
hard-to-read documents we learn the identity of the Davis Defendants: John
Brown's wife's brothers and sisters are Jno Davis, Benja. Davis, Henry
Davis, Thos Davis, Wm. Davis, Merritt Davis, and Martha Baugh wife of Seth
Baugh.

John Brown's Will [transcriber's note: the parentheses shown below are in
the case's copy of the Will; comments in square brackets are mine]:
In the name of God, Amen. I John Brown of the County of Brunswick & state
of Virginia being weak in body but of sound and perfect mind and memory do
make and publish this my last will and testament in manner and form
following (to wit) first I lend to my loving wife Elizabeth Brown all of
my whole & sole estate both real and personal after (my just debts are
paid) during her natural life and after her death I give to my loving
sister Vicey Scoggin fifty dollars to her and her heirs forever -- I also
give to my niece Rebecca Portress fifty dollars to her and her heirs
forever -- and after the death of my loving wife Elizabeth Brown I give one
half of the balance of my estate (after giving Vicey Scoggin & Rebecca
Portress their portion) to my wife's brothers & sisters to them & their
heirs forever -- and I also give the other half to Thomas R. Brown to him &
his heirs forever -- I also nominate & appoint my wife Elizabeth Brown &
Meritt Davis the whole & sole executrix & executor of this my last will and
testament hereby revoking all former wills heretofore made by me. In
witness whereof, I have hereto set my hand & seal this 6th [or possibly
5th] day of November 1827.
John Brown, seal
signed Sealed & delivered in presence of
James Kelly
Manson Scoggin
Matthew Abernathy
Robert Scoggin
Brunswick County Court January 28th 1828.
This last will and testament of John Brown deceased, was proved by the
oaths of James Kelly, Manson Scoggin & Matthew Abernathy, witnesses
thereto, & ordered to be recorded.
Teste R Turnbull CC [Clerk of the Court]
A copy E R Turnbull Clerk
[outside of this sheet, is labelled in one panel of the folded sheet as
follows:]
Copy
John Brown's
Will		11/11/2002 5:30:43
Poythress in 5th Brown case of Chancery Ct, Brunswick Co, VACharles NealThis posting is a continuation on findings of the name of Poythress (in
various spellings) appearing in five Chancery Court records filed by Brown
family members in Brunswick County, VA, which records are maintained by the
Library of Virginia ("LVA") in Richmond, VA. The five cases were filed by
Brown family members against one another and executors/administrators on
Brown estate matters.

The prior postings were captioned
- "Poythress in 2 Brown cases of Chancery Ct, Brunswick Co, VA"
- "Poythress in 3rd Brown case of Chancery Ct, Brunswick Co, VA"
- "Poythress in 4th Brown case of Chancery Ct, Brunswick Co, VA"

As stated before, I (Barbara Poythress Neal) found that the Poythress name
shows up in all 5 of these cases because of Rebecca Brown. We learn she
was a daughter of Richardson Brown, who died sometime not long before 22
Nov 1823, and that she was a niece of John Brown, who died some time after
he signed his Will in November 1827. Rebecca was married to Willis
Poythress (spelled Portrice & Portress & Poytress & Poythress). Rebecca
and Willis were already married prior to the first case in 1824.

NOTE: As stated before, I recall in the past having seen the name of Willis
Portress/Poytress in Revolutionary War records. His participation in that
War is not mentioned anywhere in these cases. Unfortunately, the only
information I could glean about Willis himself as I combed through these 5
cases, was some indication that he was presumed to be still alive at
certain times, and that he was the husband of Rebecca Brown.

Presented below continues info that might possibly help in Poythress
research, which I culled from these cases, though I have doubts that
anything in this particular case will help in Poythress research.

Many of the pages in these 5 cases are in handwritings that are very
difficult to read. I have no plan at this time to transcribe or abstract
these cases.

The 5th of the 5 cases is:

CASE #1889-030:
LVA Chancery Court Index lists Plaintiff 1 as being I.E. Brown ETC, and
Plaintiff 2 as being Ira E. Brown ETC; Defendant 1 as being B.B. Wilkes
Administrator ETC, and Defendant 2 as being Administrator of Thomas R.
Brown ETC; Surnames included as being Abernathy, Allen, Alsap, Alsop, B.M.
Burch & Co, Baugh, Bently, Brown, Burch, Clayton, Davis, Dickson, Ezell,
Goodnight, Goodrum, Jackson, Jones, Kelly, Kercheval, Martin, Martin & Topp
[the name of a firm], McCallum, McKnight, Morris, Newton, Peden, Phelps,
Portress, Reid, Rose, Scoggin, Tarply, Wilkes, Wilkinson; Wills -
None[sic].

While this case still did not include a copy of the Will of Richardson
Brown, it does include another copy of the Will of John Brown, of Brunswick
County, Virginia, signed on either the 5th or 6th of November 1827
[transcribed in the above-mentioned posting captioned "Poythress in 4th
Brown case of Chancery Ct, Brunswick Co, VA"]. NOTE: In that Will is the
ONLY place in this case where I found a Poythress name, that being John
Brown's niece, Rebecca Portress.

I found that obtaining a copy of this 5th case would require 128
photocopies to be made. Much of the handwriting is very difficult. A
number of the difficult-to-read documents discuss the descendants (or lack
thereof) of the various Davis heirs. See listing of Surnames in this case,
above, for the surnames of many of these Davis heirs. [Recall that in the
4th of these 5 cases, we learned that John Brown's wife's brothers and
sisters were Jno Davis, Benja. Davis, Henry Davis, Thos Davis, Wm. Davis,
Merritt Davis, and Martha Baugh wife of Seth Baugh.]

In this case, we learn that Thomas R. Brown was "late of Giles County in
the state of Tennessee" and that he died in the Fall of 1844. In
Depositions taken at Pulaski, in Giles Co, TN, we learn that he had been a
constable of that county for several years before his death.

We also learn that Edward Clayton was the purchaser of the land of
Elizabeth Brown's land [Recall that she was the widow of John Brown].

This case includes a newspaper clipping of a legal notice that was
published once a week for 4 weeks in Petersburg, Virginia, prior to 12 Feby
1852, in a newspaper published in that city, "The South-Side Democrat."
The clipping reads:
"VIRGINIA -- IN CHANCERY.-- At Rules held in the Clerk's Office of the
Circuit Court of Brunswick county, in the month of January, 1852:
Ira E. Brown, Robert Dickson, Joseph Alsup, and William Brown, Pltfs
vs
R.B. Wilkes, Adm'r, Thos. R. Brown, Joseph F. Brown, Wm. R. Brown, Mary
J. Brown, Maria L. Brown, Virginia A. Brown, and James Thomas Kelly, Dfts.
The object of this suit is to subject the property, real and personal, in
the county of Brunswick, belonging to the estate of Thomas R. Brown, dec'd,
to the payment of debts due by said Thomas R. Brown to the plaintiffs.
It appearing by affidavit that the defendants, Joseph F. Brown and Wm. R.
Brown, are not residents of this state, they are required to appear, within
one month after due publication of this order, and do what is necessary to
protect their interests. This order shall be published in the South-Side
Democrat once a week for four successive weeks, and posted at the front
door of the Court House of this county on the first day of the next term of
the County Court.
A copy, E.R. Turnbull, Clerk
ja 13--w4w"		11/11/2002 5:30:49
Re: A Poythress obit.Charles NealThank you, Julian, for letting us know of your descent from Peter
Poythress. Good to know someone on this List has his line so far back
Hopefully we'll all eventually be able to establish our own lines as
clearly as yours.
Barbara (BPN)
= = = =
My line goes: me > Helene Lois Thornton > Lawrence Dade Thornton > Baynham
Baylor Thornton > Daniel McCarty Fitzhugh Thornton = Mary Jackson Dade >
Gen. Lawrence Taliaferro Dade (b.1785) = Anne Mayo > William Mayo =
Elizabeth Bland Poythress > Peter Poythress = Elizabeth Bland and on back
from there.		11/11/2002 5:30:56
Willis and Rebecca PoythressCharles NealElaine & all,

Thanks so much for the feedback, and thank you so much for finding them in
the 1850 & 1860 Censuses in Giles County, Tennessee. From these Census
records indicating Willis was born about 1798, it is obvious he didn't
serve in the Revolutionary War.

I've gotten back home now from my trip & have checked numerous logical
sources that list participants in the Revolutionary War. I'm sorry to
report that I was wrong and was remembering incorrectly -- there was NO
Willis Poythress or Portress (or similar surname) in those listings. I
shouldn't have mentioned such a possibility without checking first to see
if my memory was right. (Now it's going to drive me nuts trying to figure
out where I had seen Willis' name before)

Thanks again, Elaine, for clearing up where the couple was during the court
proceedings.
Barbara
= = = =

From: Denver145@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 17:16:24 EST
Subject: Willis and Rebecca Poythress
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Hello Barbara, and all. The information from your transcriptions, of the
Chancery Ct. Records of Brunswick County, VA, are a wonderful. Thank you.

The below information, will at least clear up where Willis and Rebecca
Brown Poythress were, during those court procedings.

I have found Willis Poythress/Portress in census records, that I have been
logging for the Census Project, that I am working on.

Here are the two I have so far.

1850 Giles County, Tennessee, District 12, Pg.410, Date: 5 Sept. 1850
Lines 3-9

Portress, Willis, age 52, male, farmer, $4000 estate value, born VA, cannot
read or write.
" ", Rebecca, age 48, female, born VA
" ", Agnes, age 19, female, born Tenn.
" ", ?? start with M, age 15, male, born Tenn.
" ", Fountainella, age 12, female, born Tenn
Cook, James M., age 34, male, farmer, born Tenn.
" ", Mary E.N., age 35, female, born VA.


1860 Giles County, Tennessee, Northern Dist., pg 58, Date: 16 July 1860

Portress, Willis, age 62, male, farmer, $10.000 Real Est., $7600 Personal
Est., born VA, cannot read or write.
" ", Rebecca, age 57, female, born VA.
" ", Jackson M., age 24, male, Con. Laborer, born Tenn.
" ", F. Ella, age 19, female, born Tenn.
Brown, Sallie, age 70, female, domestic, born VA.

Take care,
Elaine		11/12/2002 3:05:24
Littleberry H. PoythressCharles NealCrystal, in response to your questions about Littleberry
Poythress/Poytress, who I had mentioned recently, I have checked what I had
about his Will in Mississippi. Below is what I know.

In Yalobusha County, Mississippi, Littleberry H. Poytress signed his Will
on 13 Sept 1856. It was recorded there during the August 1857 term of
court, so, yes, that indicates that he died there in Mississippi. The
microfilm copy that I got some years ago from the Mississippi Dept of
Archives & History, was almost black with horizontal lines across the
copies. The Will Book had been filmed by the Genealogical Society of Salt
Lake City, Utah, so I feel sure the film is available at Family History
Centers, and there is bound to be a better copy available in Salt Lake.
Anyway the film was of

"Will Book Volume A, 1834-1858, Yalobusha County Court House Chancery
Clerk, State of Mississippi, filmed Jan. 26, 1972 at Coffeeville,
Mississippi."
page 307 of that Will Book had the Will of L. H. Poytress, Deceased. He
gave all his estate both real and personal to his wife Frances "to be
managed and used by her during her life to sell and to buy whatsoever she
may see proper" and he said that at her death, "I want the property not
disposed of by her to descend to my daughter Frances wife of William C.
Bell to be managed by said Wm. C. Bell for the use and benefit of his wife
and her children." He appointed his wife Frances and William C. Bell to be
his executrix & executor.

Crystal, his full name from the Will matches precisely to the name on the
Land Patent reports from the General Land Office, Bureau of Land Management
for him. In the GLO-BLM records, the Patentee name was Littleberry H.
Poytress. The Patents show he was then of Tallahatchie County, Mississippi
(which is adjacent to Yalobusha County). Certificate #6140, was for 39.23
acres; #5436 was for 40.34 acres; and #5429 was for 235.42 acres. All the
Certificates were signed Dec 10, 1840.

He got these Patents by Cash Entry Sales. I don't know anything about him
getting land for military service.

Since Tallahatchie & Yalobusha counties were adjacent counties, & since the
name matches precisely, I'd say this is pretty certainly the same man.

Cheers, Barbara
= == =

From: Rosebudsaponi@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 21:55:29 EST
Subject: Re: A Poythress obit.
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Bell does seem to be a Poythress family name though. Everywhere you look,
you see Bell and variant spellings of it. My grandmother was Ola Bell, her
brother, John Bell. Both descendants of the Poythress.

Re: Littleberry, so he did die in Mississippi? Is this the same Littleberry
that received the land in Mississippi from service in the military by Van
Buren? From Northampton Co, NC. I'm still trying to make the connection to
him and my set.

Crystal 🙂		11/12/2002 4:09:52
More Regarding Willis and Rebecca Brown PoythressIn my copy of Brunswick County Virginia Marriages, 1750-1853, John Vogt & T.
William Kethley, Jr., I found the marriage record of Willis Poythress and
Polly Brown, 15 Dec 1821, bond John Brown. Rebecca Brown apparently, also
went by Polly.

Elaine


Elaine & all,

Thanks so much for the feedback, and thank you so much for finding them in
the 1850 & 1860 Censuses in Giles County, Tennessee. From these Census
records indicating Willis was born about 1798, it is obvious he didn't
serve in the Revolutionary War.

I've gotten back home now from my trip & have checked numerous logical
sources that list participants in the Revolutionary War. I'm sorry to
report that I was wrong and was remembering incorrectly -- there was NO
Willis Poythress or Portress (or similar surname) in those listings. I
shouldn't have mentioned such a possibility without checking first to see
if my memory was right. (Now it's going to drive me nuts trying to figure
out where I had seen Willis' name before)

Thanks again, Elaine, for clearing up where the couple was during the court
proceedings.
Barbara		11/12/2002 4:45:22
Willis and Rebecca PoythressHello Barbara, and all. The information from your transcriptions, of the
Chancery Ct. Records of Brunswick County, VA, are a wonderful. Thank you.

The below information, will at least clear up where Willis and Rebecca Brown
Poythress were, during those court procedings.

I have found Willis Poythress/Portress in census records, that I have been
logging for the Census Project, that I am working on.

Here are the two I have so far.

1850 Giles County, Tennessee, District 12, Pg.410, Date: 5 Sept. 1850

Lines 3-9

Portress, Willis, age 52, male, farmer, $4000 estate value, born VA, cannot
read or write.
" ", Rebecca, age 48, female, born VA
" ", Agnes, age 19, female, born Tenn.
" ", ?? start with M, age 15, male, born Tenn.
" ", Fountainella, age 12, female, born Tenn
Cook, James M., age 34, male, farmer, born Tenn.
" ", Mary E.N., age 35, female, born VA.


1860 Giles County, Tennessee, Northern Dist., pg 58, Date: 16 July 1860

Portress, Willis, age 62, male, farmer, $10.000 Real Est., $7600 Personal
Est., born VA, cannot read or write.
" ", Rebecca, age 57, female, born VA.
" ", Jackson M., age 24, male, Con. Laborer, born Tenn.
" ", F. Ella, age 19, female, born Tenn.
Brown, Sallie, age 70, female, domestic, born VA.

Take care,
Elaine		11/12/2002 10:16:24
CataractsJohn M PoythressTally ho. I'm off to get my other eye whacked on. Be back in couple of days or so.

Best,

Maynard



11/13/2002 4:16:19
Poythress in 2 Brown cases of Chancery Ct, Brunswick Co, VACharles NealElaine, thanks so much for the info from the Brunswick Co, VA Marriages. I
guess that must have been why the name Willis Poythress was familiar to me
while I was travelling & transcribing. I'm copying that info into a
message with this caption, so that years from now when someone is searching
the Poythress-List archives, my correction (below) about Willis NOT having
been in the Rev War can more easily be found by someone seeing the original
message with my mis-statement.
Thanks again, Barbara (BPN)
= = = =

From: Denver145@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:45:22 EST
Subject: More Regarding Willis and Rebecca Brown Poythress
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

In my copy of Brunswick County Virginia Marriages, 1750-1853, John Vogt &
T. William Kethley, Jr., I found the marriage record of Willis Poythress
and Polly Brown, 15 Dec 1821, bond John Brown. Rebecca Brown apparently,
also went by Polly.
Elaine
= = =
Elaine & all,

Thanks so much for the feedback, and thank you so much for finding them in
the 1850 & 1860 Censuses in Giles County, Tennessee. From these Census
records indicating Willis was born about 1798, it is obvious he didn't
serve in the Revolutionary War.

I've gotten back home now from my trip & have checked numerous logical
sources that list participants in the Revolutionary War. I'm sorry to
report that I was wrong and was remembering incorrectly -- there was NO
Willis Poythress or Portress (or similar surname) in those listings. I
shouldn't have mentioned such a possibility without checking first to see
if my memory was right. (Now it's going to drive me nuts trying to figure
out where I had seen Willis' name before)

Thanks again, Elaine, for clearing up where the couple was during the court
proceedings.
Barbara		11/14/2002 3:36:44
Bruns. Co. ChanceryJohn M PoythressThe "two Thomases problem"?

Barbara....Thomas Poythress "unavailable" to the Brunswick Chancery Court looks for all the world to be the Thomas of Burke County, GA. We know Burke County's Thomas came from Brunswick County "with debts" and we know he fits the time frame. And if they are saying in Brunswick in 1796 that he "long ago left this county" that would be correct....since we have him in Georgia in 1786. Maybe that's a little "too" long ago....but I'd still be inclined to make it "one" individual. Being cited as a gambler and a "nuisance" to Burke County in 1786 would be consistent with a man selling land with a phoney deed in Virginia and "escaping" to Georgia. And a thousand pound price on his head would be reason enough to stay in Georgia or anyplace else but Brunswick County.

Then someone reports in that court that he had "departed for "G" (crossed out) and then followed by Tom Bigby (sic). Just for the sake of the example let's say the Tombigbee R. flows roughly due north to due south close to the western edge of Mississippi. In 1786-96, what will become Mississippi is, nominally at any rate if not technically, still part of Georgia but likely only on the map. As a practical matter, it is still Indian territory. The government hadn't even "treated" with the Indians for any of the land west of Georgia's Oconee valley by then. In 1796 the Yazoo Land Fraud was exposed and in 1798 the Georgia legislature repudiated all of those fraudulent deeds in what will become AL and MS. The settlement "deal" was that the Federal government would "fix" the western border of Georgia at the Chattahoochee and begin to conclude treaties with the Indians for all of it. And even then it was 1830-something before all the remaining land in what was to become GA, l!
et alone AL or MS, was "bought" from the Creek Confederacy and the Cherokees.

Unfamiliar with MIssissippi history, I'd still think that was wild frontier beyond any semblance of civilization in 1786. I have a hard time seeing Thomas going to Burke County via "Tom Bigby" in the first place but if he does, that's about as far west as one could practically get in those days from Burke County, GA and a very long trip with little logic connected to doubling back east to Burke County. Of course, if Thomas had been gone from Brunswick County for a long time it's possible that someone could have testified that he went just about anywhere. And if he is running from the law, he could have left word himself that he was going just about anywhere.

Would you be inclined to make anything of this?

Maynard		11/15/2002 5:44:51
Poythress Civil War Soldiers: New ResourceCharles NealDear Al,

Great new addition to the Poythress page! Thanks so much for hooking it up
-- a great benefit for all of us, and for other Poythress researchers who
will happen upon the page later.

Best to you & yours -
BPN
= = = =
From: "Albert Tims"
Subject: Poythress Civil War Soldiers: New Resource
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:14:22 -0600
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Poythress List,

We have added the Poythress and Portress entries with hyperlinks to
archival record identifiers for all civil war soldiers listed under the
Poythress surname and the Portress variant spelling. Other variant
spellings have yet to yield records.

Clicking on the soldier's name will show the microfilm series and roll
number along with additional basic information from the general index card
for the soldier maintained by the National Archives and Records
Administration. .

Clicking on the NPS link at the top of the webpage will take you to
information about how to order records of interest and to a page where you
can conduct additional searches for surnames or surname spellings of
interest.

Please note that records in the database are still undergoing validity
checks and other editing.

We have these civil war service records are compiled under the Military
Records index on the Poythress website.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

Best,
Al Tims

==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Geneaology Research Web
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		11/15/2002 7:43:05
Bruns. Co. ChanceryCharles NealMaynard & all,

Your thoughts on this, Maynard, sound logical to me. As I was doing the
transcribing, I had figured this was one & the same Thomas Poythress as
"Thomas Poythress Senior." My only corrections to your message (copied
below) are:

- that Thomas didn't sell land by a truly "phoney" deed, he just didn't
have a fully clear title yet. He sold what right he had gotten to the land,
and, by him giving a bond to obtain a clear title for the land, it sounded
like the purchaser knew he wasn't initially getting a clear title, & it
sounded like Thomas had intended to try to get it cleared up & pass a clear
title on to the purchaser.

- that the Tombigbee River flows roughly north to south near what is now
the Eastern edge of Mississippi -- and the western edge of Alabama. (That
is further east than what you had said, though granted it was still deep
within the Mississippi Territory & within Indian Land, at that time, which
as you say is a long way from Burke Co, GA)

As a matter of fact, the really northern part of the Tombigbee River is in
what is now the northeastern-most part of the state of Mississippi. But
after a bit (at only about one-third of the way down the state from the
top) the Tombigbee River enters Alabama into what is now Pickens County,
Alabama, immediately above Sumter County, Alabama, and from there it flows
on down thru Alabama to Mobile.

Rivers were the "expressways" of transportation back in those days, in
speed of access even if not in straight-line of travel. I guess it's also
a possibility that whoever told the sheriff that Thomas had departed ["for
G" crossed out & changed to "to Tom Bigby"] was just trying to remember
which route to the hinterlands Thomas had said he was taking when he left,
and/or was just trying to throw the sheriff off a little.

I think, but don't remember for sure, that the Tennessee River flows
basically from east to west. Nowadays, there is what is marked on the map
as the "Tenn-Tom Waterway" connecting from the Tennessee River down to the
Tombigbee River, beginning at basically where the stateline of Tennessee
meets the corners of the states of Mississippi & Alabama. I don't know
enough about the Tennessee River development to know details about this
Tenn-Tom Waterway, such as whether it just enlarged pre-existing creeks/etc
that were there before, or what. Conceivably, when part of the former
Indian Land in 1832 became the Alabama county of Sumter, this river route
could be how settlers flowed in to settle Sumter County, where, 21 yrs
later, in 1853 my gggrandfather James E. Poythress came with his whole
family from Mecklenburg Co, VA.

[Also by the way: Giles Co, TN, where Elaine found Rebecca Brown Poytress
& Willis Poytress, who had appeared in other Brunswick Co, VA Chancery
records, is along the bottom edge of Tennessee, about mid-way across the
top of Alabama. Today's Interstate-65 goes thru the eastern part of Giles
Co, TN, straight on down into Alabama.]

Thanks for your feedback on the transcription -
Barbara
= == =
From: "John M Poythress"
Subject: Bruns. Co. Chancery
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:44:51 -0500
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

The "two Thomases problem"?

Barbara....Thomas Poythress "unavailable" to the Brunswick Chancery Court
looks for all the world to be the Thomas of Burke County, GA. We know
Burke County's Thomas came from Brunswick County "with debts" and we know
he fits the time frame. And if they are saying in Brunswick in 1796 that
he "long ago left this county" that would be correct....since we have him
in Georgia in 1786. Maybe that's a little "too" long ago....but I'd still
be inclined to make it "one" individual. Being cited as a gambler and a
"nuisance" to Burke County in 1786 would be consistent with a man selling
land with a phoney deed in Virginia and "escaping" to Georgia. And a
thousand pound price on his head would be reason enough to stay in Georgia
or anyplace else but Brunswick County.

Then someone reports in that court that he had "departed for "G" (crossed
out) and then followed by Tom Bigby (sic). Just for the sake of the
example let's say the Tombigbee R. flows roughly due north to due south
close to the western edge of Mississippi. In 1786-96, what will become
Mississippi is, nominally at any rate if not technically, still part of
Georgia but likely only on the map. As a practical matter, it is still
Indian territory. The government hadn't even "treated" with the Indians
for any of the land west of Georgia's Oconee valley by then. In 1796 the
Yazoo Land Fraud was exposed and in 1798 the Georgia legislature repudiated
all of those fraudulent deeds in what will become AL and MS. The settlement
"deal" was that the Federal government would "fix" the western border of
Georgia at the Chattahoochee and begin to conclude treaties with the
Indians for all of it. And even then it was 1830-something before all the
remaining land in what was to become GA, let alone AL or MS, was "bought"
from the Creek Confederacy and the Cherokees.

Unfamiliar with MIssissippi history, I'd still think that was wild frontier
beyond any semblance of civilization in 1786. I have a hard time seeing
Thomas going to Burke County via "Tom Bigby" in the first place but if he
does, that's about as far west as one could practically get in those days
from Burke County, GA and a very long trip with little logic connected to
doubling back east to Burke County. Of course, if Thomas had been gone
from Brunswick County for a long time it's possible that someone could have
testified that he went just about anywhere. And if he is running from the
law, he could have left word himself that he was going just about anywhere.

Would you be inclined to make anything of this?

Maynard		11/15/2002 9:19:29
Poythress Civil War Soldiers: New ResourceAlbert TimsPoythress List,

We have added the Poythress and Portress entries with hyperlinks to archival record identifiers for all civil war soldiers listed under the Poythress surname and the Portress variant spelling. Other variant spellings have yet to yield records.

Clicking on the soldier's name will show the microfilm series and roll number along with additional basic information from the general index card for the soldier maintained by the National Archives and Records Administration. .

Clicking on the NPS link at the top of the webpage will take you to information about how to order records of interest and to a page where you can conduct additional searches for surnames or surname spellings of interest.

Please note that records in the database are still undergoing validity checks and other editing.

We have these civil war service records are compiled under the Military Records index on the Poythress website.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/


Best,

Al Tims










11/16/2002 4:14:22
Poythress/Raiford Bible PagesHello to all. I just received the pages of the Poythress/Raiford Bible, that
my father had taken to the photographer. They are awesome. It is hard to
believe they turned out so clear. The photographer did not photo the Title
Page, so my father is going to get me that information. We do know however,
the Bible was published in 1833.

If anyone is interested in photocopies of the pages, let me know. If I do
not already have your snailmail address, send it to me. I am taking the
pages to Kinko's tomorrow. My printer does not do them justice, so I will
get them copied there.

Take care,
Elaine		11/16/2002 5:26:24
Laughter for the soul!Bud,

We really enjoy your e-mail! And you really had us laughing with your
"Sunday" edition!

Keep 'em coming!

Love, Barbara and Bill


Here's some really neat facts.
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>		11/17/2002 11:24:21
Batte Records ExtraordinareJohn M PoythressHey guys, our friend Diana Diamond has been hiding in the hive and producing Queenbee stuff that is now available as a "link" on the Poythress webpage under "Studies and Charts." What Diana has essentially done is to break the Batte code (not alone) however, as opposed to others, she has completely spun out the complete work of the Batte cards into SIX GENERATIONS of Poythresses plus related families. Sort of like crossing the Rubicon. It's not sold as "the gospel" but only, in my opinion, as "the gospel according to Bolling Batte"....which may be next best thing!

Diana formatted this material in the Saints' PAF format simply because it was easiest to handle with this massive amount of information.

Simply marvelous stuff. Go to the "link" on on the webpage under "Studies and Charts" and start clicking "routes".....you'll find no end of facinating Poythress colonial lines, from Francis/Mary six generations down. And thanks a ton, Al, for "publishing" the link.

Maynard




11/18/2002 1:44:23
Diana's Magnum OpusJohn M PoythressI forgot: she is answering questions,if any, at: dp--cd@excite.com

Maynard



11/18/2002 2:06:09
Brunswick Chancery Ct cases on website for Thos PoythressCharles NealGreat news thanks to our very busy webmaster, Al Tims.

All the 5 case transcriptions that I prepared regarding Thomas Poythress in
the Brunswick County, VA Chancery Court are now on our research website,
under the "Land & Court Records" tab on the left side. When you get to the
listing of cases, etc, scroll down to the bottom of the list, to

"Thomas Poythress, Brunswick Co, VA Chancery Court Records: 1792-1804"

There you'll find all five cases, in the following order:
Record 1796-017
Record 1788-008
Record 1793-008
Record 1804-031
Record 1792-007

As Al & I worked on polishing up the transcriptions to put on the website,
and proofing them to the original photocopies, I caught a few additional
words that had been illegible to me previously.

Thanks so much, Al, for posting these transcriptions of original sources
for us.
Barbara Poythress Neal		11/18/2002 3:52:38
Database of Francis Poythress DescendantsDiana DiamondThanks Maynard for mentioning my database. I haven't been a regular subscriber for a while now, but I have browsed the list a few times a month, and I see the discussions continue to be as interesting as any list at rootsweb.

If anyone had told me a while back I'd take this project to 6600 names, I'd have told them they were nuts. I now understand it when Dave Barry joked that a serious hobby begins to look like insanity. And I am only following in R. Bolling Batte's footsteps.

And by the way, I regret I have misplaced the names and addresses of a small list of P list subscribers who asked for a hardcopy of the Francis Poythress Descendants. If you are still interested, let me know.

I have printed up a couple of copies of an outline of Descendants of Francis Poythress which is 89 pages long, cardstock paper, spiral binding. And in some lines, it has 11 generations and enters the 20th Century.

The amount of intermarriage among cousins is clear using the PAF format. This format also has the advantage of reducing the repetition one gets with other formats.

Reproduction and shipping costs comes to $30. If you were among those who expressed an interest and if you still want a copy, please email me.

Also, I welcome notes about your families--if they are in this database--which I am happy to include with your email address in the nonsearchable "notes" section under existing names. This might include descendants unlisted by Batte but established by your research. I can also provide links to other websites if they are relevant.

Diana

PS My database { http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/va_families ]includes the following surnames. Not all of these are necessarily in the printout.

Anderson (27), Archer (42), Atkinson (79), Batte (66), Beverley (24),
Binford (20), Blair (28), Bland (136), Bolling (124), Bradford (56), Branch
(48), Burwell (23), Claiborne (48), Campbell (36, Chambliss (7), Clayton (27), Cocke
(113), Cox (22), Crawley (11). Doswell (10), Eldridge (66), Feild (35), Epes/Eppes (271),
Fitzgerald (112), Friend (18), Hamlin (24), Hardaway (36), Harrison (89), Irby (32),
Kennon (22), Kingsbury (19), Lewis (34), Logan (25), Mayo (78), Meredith
(36), Newton (25), Osborne (15), Peterson (24), Poythress (104), Pryor
(72), Quarles (8), Riddick (11), Robertson (66), Ruffin (24), Skipworth
(18), Smith (62), Syme (20), Taliaferro (25), Taylor (30), Tazewell (16),
Thweatt (68), Walke (22), Ward (39), Whittle (22), Williams (37), Wynne
(26), Yates (23), Zehmer (9)




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The most personalized portal on the Web!		11/19/2002 5:50:05
Web Address CorrectionDiana Diamondhttp://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~va_families

I forgot the tilde:) The actual address is longer, but rootsweb provides this format to make it easier to send, and I muffed it.

My database is, as Maynard noted, available now as a link at the Poythress website under the charts section. Thanks, Al.

If you use a universal search at Rootsweb's world connect for anyone in my database, the designation you now see on the far right of the "search results" is "va_families."

I changed the name of the database from "Poythressp1" for a variety of reasons. The main focus remains the descendants of Mary and Francis Poythress, and I descend, I believe from four branches of the family.

I have tried to make it an easy way to find the Batte cards, so please do check the references of any person you might be interested in.

And don't hesitate to tell me if I have made any errors in translating Batte to the computer age.

Diana






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The most personalized portal on the Web!		11/19/2002 6:07:14
Many ThanksDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionI want to send my many thanks to all of you, Barbara, Al, Diana, & Maynard -
to name just a few - who have worked so tirelessly & persistently in helping
us towards making our individual connections to Capt. Francis & Mary
Poythress.
My many heartfelt thanks to you all for keeping me so inspired to keep
looking for that one document that will enable me to place my branch inline
with all the rest. (I'm still working on it!)
It has truly become a labor of love for me, as addicted as I have become
these last 7 years:-)
I have to say, I wouldn't have traded any of it. You've all been so helpful
and very instructive. I've learned alot and I keep on learning from all your
many strengths everyday...Keep up the great work!
I appreciate it!

Debbie

**Hobby?! It has taken over my life and I'm having way too much fun!
;-)**








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http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail		11/19/2002 10:35:27
Raiford Poythress Bible ImagesThanks to Al Tims, the images and transcription of the Raiford/Poythress
Bible pages, are now on the Poythress site. They are under Marriage and
Bible.

I want to say thanks to Diana, Al, and BPN, for the wonderful information
they have made available to the site, recently. These are a great addition
and will be of great benefit, for the next generation of Researchers.

Take care,
Elaine



11/21/2002 4:53:42
Poythress Family Bible RecordsCharles NealAnyone checking out the Poythress Research website to see the images &
transcription of Elaine's family's Raiford & Poythress Family Bible pages,
can see that Al has in the last few days also posted the Preston &
Poythress Family Bible Record images, and links to them & to the 1995
transcription I did of them at the Library of Virginia's (LVA's) Bible
website

I had not announced all that yet to the List since Al & I are working on
getting my 1995 transcription of those pages updated and into a better
format for posting on our Poythress Research website. When that is done,
the transcription pages will load quickly on your computer screen (as the
actual images there do now), since Al's reduction of the file size enables
faster loading than the same images at the LVA site.

The images of the old pages are incredibly clear, both on the Preston &
Poythress pages, and on the Raiford & Poythress pages. Thank you so much,
Al, for doing such a great job on posting these great resources to our
website.

Barbara Poythress Neal		11/21/2002 7:49:33
Off LineJohn M PoythressHi folks, be leaving Tues. for T-day in GA, on to Houston to visit with daughter, back in Louisville about 12/9. You all have a great Thanksgiving.

Best,

Maynard		11/22/2002 1:38:22
Re: Images on Poythress webpagePat AutryI have a copy of an 1873 and an 1880 marriage license of my great great uncle,
James Poythress and my great grandmother Martha Poythress.

Would you have any interest in putting them as images on the Poythress webpage?

They are in the 1860 Greensville Co census, household 309, noted as PAGE 44 in
upper left, there is the following listed:

William Potis 33
Julia " 29
>> James " 8
Joseph " 7
Thomas " 5
>> Jane " 4
Benjamin " 1
Martha Brewer 50

Pat Autry		11/22/2002 2:47:01
Help with Address Book pleaseCharles NealDear fellow Poythress researchers,

Today I had a major failure that ate up my Address Book. I surely would
appreciate it if each of you would please send me a message (even an almost
blank message would do), so I can re-copy your addresses into my now blank
Address Book.

Thanks so much & early good Thanksgiving wishes to each of you.

Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)



11/24/2002 6:56:52
David Poythress 1860 Warren County, NC CensusCharles NealOn Oct 3, 2002, Elaine graciously gave us the below info in a message
captioned as this one is. (I understand from an earlier message that this
census page indicated it was enumerated by the census-taker on the 27th of
June, 1860.) I sure would appreciate knowing the following details for
this household of David Poythress, if anyone has access to a photocopy or
other copy of this census page:

- for sure whether the "Mecklenburg, VA" shown below for lines 28-32 was
in the column for "Place of Birth" (as I am assuming it is)
- if there was any entry for line 29, for the 19-yr old G.W. Poythress, in
the column for "Profession, Occupation, or Trade of each person, male or
female, over 15 years of age"
- if there was any mark for lines 29-32 in the column for "Attended school
within the year"

Thanks so much for any help -
BPN
= = = =

Line 27 HH 425 Page 56
D. Poythrefs age 53 M
Overseer $3000 Value of Personal Estate
b. Mecklenburg, VA person over 20 cannot read & write

Line 28 S.R. Poythrefs age 40 F. Mecklenburg, VA
Line 29 G.W Poythrefs age 19 M. Mecklenburg, VA
Line 30 C. D.Poythrefs age 11 M. Mecklenburg, VA
Line 31 L. M.Poythrefs age 7 F Mecklenburg, VA
Line 32 A.M. Poythrefs age 4 F Mecklenburg, VA		12/02/2002 5:17:32
Re:David Poythress 1860 Warren County, NC CensusHello Barbara. I am looking at the image now. It says Mecklenburg, VA,
under column, Place of Birth. D. Poythress is the only one listed with a
trade or occupation, Overseer, and nobody in the household is listed as
attending school.

I will try to send you the image as an attachment to an email.

Take care,
Elaine



On Oct 3, 2002, Elaine graciously gave us the below info in a message
captioned as this one is. (I understand from an earlier message that this
census page indicated it was enumerated by the census-taker on the 27th of
June, 1860.) I sure would appreciate knowing the following details for
this household of David Poythress, if anyone has access to a photocopy or
other copy of this census page:

- for sure whether the "Mecklenburg, VA" shown below for lines 28-32 was
in the column for "Place of Birth" (as I am assuming it is)
- if there was any entry for line 29, for the 19-yr old G.W. Poythress, in
the column for "Profession, Occupation, or Trade of each person, male or
female, over 15 years of age"
- if there was any mark for lines 29-32 in the column for "Attended school
within the year"

Thanks so much for any help -
BPN
= = = =

Line 27 HH 425 Page 56
D. Poythrefs age 53 M
Overseer $3000 Value of Personal Estate
b. Mecklenburg, VA person over 20 cannot read & write

Line 28 S.R. Poythrefs age 40 F. Mecklenburg, VA
Line 29 G.W Poythrefs age 19 M. Mecklenburg, VA
Line 30 C. D.Poythrefs age 11 M. Mecklenburg, VA
Line 31 L. M.Poythrefs age 7 F Mecklenburg, VA
Line 32 A.M. Poythrefs age 4 F Mecklenburg, VA		12/02/2002 5:43:00
Re:David Poythress 1860 Warren County, NC CensusCharles NealThanks so much, Elaine.



12/02/2002 5:47:25
Sarah/Sally Poythress & William Archer DortchCharles NealHi, fellow Poythress researchers,

Today I received the below-copied email. The Sarah/Sally Poythress that
this info addresses is, as best I can tell, the daughter of Lewis Poythress
& Rebecca Taylor. I don't recall posting a question about William Archer
Dortch, but apparently I did so a long time ago (where, I don't know).

BPN
= = = = =
Subject: William Archer Dortch
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:47:45 -0500

Message text written by "Julie Cabitto"
>
saw you posted question about William Archer Dortch. Hope this helps...

Sarah Poythress was married to William Archer Dortch on 31 Jan 1837 as you
said, in I believe Warren Co, NC, very near Mecklenburg, VA which is where
they lived. They had children:
1. Martha W. Dortch born abt 1838
2. Alvy (Alvy) Newton Dortch born 6 Dec 1844 who married Tennessee Jordan
Glover. I have their marriage record which lists William Archer Dortch and
Sally Poythress as the parents.
3. Jasper Dortch born abt 1846
4. Tom Dortch born abt 1847

We believe Sarah may have died about 1854 because we find William Archer
Dortch marrying an Elizabeth Mise 9 May 1854, in Warren Co., NC. Then we
believe they had children David Dortch born abt 1856 and Martha Dortch abt
1860. We can follow this family from at least 1850- 1880 in Mecklenburg.
And we do have a lot of Documentation for Alvy Dortch and Tennessee Jordan
Glover.
Julie
juliemarie@worldnet.att.net		12/02/2002 6:15:13
Dortch & Poythress, & his parents Newman Dortch & Sally SpeedCharles NealJulie Cabitto, of Virginia, has sent me some additional Dortch information
today, with her email which I'll copy below here. Her email had 3
attachments, the first of which I've copied in text format below here, &
the other 2 I've summarized, below her email. See bottom line of last
attachment re the mention of the Dortch & Poythress marriage, and her
email's last paragraph re the mention of the Dortch & Speed marriage.

My response to Julie this afternoon is first below, followed by her email
to me.
BPN
= = = =
To: Julie Cabitto
From: "Charles Neal"
Subject: Dortch & Poythress
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 (sent 5:25pm Pacific Time)

Thanks so much for the additional family info from your research, and
especially thanks for the family letter. I am intrigued by the possibility
that the Newman Dortch & his wife Sally Speed who you mentioned below,
could've been the parents of Mary Speed Dortch, who married David Poythress
in Mecklenburg Co, VA on 17 Dec 1827. Do you know more info about Newman
Dortch & his wife Sally Speed? If so, I'd love to learn more.

I am curious about the Dortch reference book you mentioned by Mr. Perrin.
I'm not familiar with that book. Could you please tell me where & when it
was published, and Mr. Perrin's full name as its author/compiler? Is the
book still available for purchase, perhaps from Mr. Perrin himself? If it
is older & not available for purchase, do you know of any libraries where I
could see a copy of it?

I'm also curious whether you have checked for Dortch information at
RootsWeb's World Connect project? I haven't done so, but should as soon as
I have time.

By searching in the archives of our Poythress-List, I found that the
"jsccon@email.msn.com" who you mentioned being on our List back in 1998 was
a fellow named John Pyle. (I'm presuming you tried emailing him at that
address.) I don't know him personally, and I suspect he is not on our List
any more, but perhaps he checks our List's archives at RootsWeb
periodically. Perhaps you already know, but if not I'll let you know that
one can check the archives of various surname-Lists at RootsWeb:

http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Unfortunately there is no Dortch-List on RootsWeb.

Thanks again so much for your help & for getting in touch.
Barbara [BPN]

+ + + + +
From: "Julie Cabitto"
To: "Charles Neal"
Subject: Re: William Archer Dortch
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:42:25 -0500

I found your group by finding an old query about William Archer Dortch on a
1998 Poythress page. I saw they also posted that Alvy died abt 1850, which
I would like to have corrected. Attached is all about Alvy Dortch and his
wife.

Also a family letter that may be of interest. There was a
jsccon@email.msn.com on your mailing list then, who asked about William in
1998. If you know him, please forward this to him too.

I have a lot of info and vital records: birth, death, obits, and marriages
for the generation of Tennessee Jordan Glover and Alvy Dortch, and their
children. Have Alvy's pension record too. Feel free to send any further
questions, from you or your Poythress group. I don't know much about Sarah
Poythress other than her marriage, census, and she appears as the mother on
Alvy and Tennessee's marr. record.

The letter from Richard Oliver Dortch, so you know, Richard is a son of
Tennessee and Alvy. In this letter, it says "my grandfather was William
Dortch, and his father Newman."

We know of Newman Dortch, married to Sally Speed, mentioned in David
Dortch's will, and in the Dortch reference book, by Mr. Perrin. But I
cannot find any evidence to support this letter. Any ideas you may have for
me to search would be most appreciated. I attached my Kidd info too in case
it is of interest to you,as I know all the Poythress, Dortch, Kidd, Glover,
Caroll, Rainey, Mosby, and Jones families were all closely related and
together on Censuses.
Julie

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1st Attachment is copied here in full, in text format by BPN for
Poythress-List email:

"Letter from Richard Oliver Dortch to Nat F. Dortch.
Copy given to Julie from Anne Kleinman, Sep 2002
Typed by Julie Cabitto 18 Sep 2002

Richard Dortch

Kankakee, IL

June 20-1928
Mr. Nat F. Dortch
Louisville, KY

Dear Sir:
I received your letter of May 17 in which you asked me to write
more about my people. I am very sorry to say I only knew of my fathers
brothers names Jasper that I mentioned in the first letter to you.
My father at one time was well fixed, but through some deal when I
was about ____(word was cut off) he lost a lot of money, and he has never
spoke much about his people from then on. My father at one time operated a
string of what then was called road wagons somewhere in NC before the
railroads were very thick in that country.
My mother was raised in Nashville, Tenn. Her maiden name was
Glover. I have heard my mother and father speak of people by the name of
Mosley. My father also served in the civil war. My great grandfathers name
was Newman Dorctch. My grandfathers name was William Dortch. My father was
born Dec 6, 1844 and died Aug 1915. I have 4 brothers and 4 sisters
scattered around Virginia and N.C. excepting one brother who is still in
Kankakee. He has 3 girls. I have 5 boys and 3 girls. I am working for the
Big 4 railroad switchman in Kankakee yards. And my age is 41 years. I am
very sorry I can not tell you more about my people. But for myself I have
nothing to brag about except good health and a large family all healthy.
Most of my undertakings so far were failures, although I am never afraid of
work. Hoping you will not feel slighted for not having heard from me sooner
and I hope you can or have found the missing link. As I would like to know
where it is myself. Hoping I may hear from you again.
I am respectfully yours.
R. O. Dortch
243 N. New St.
PS. There was a family of Dortchs in Kankakee about 25 years ago, but they
have gone, and I dont know any of their names."

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2nd Attachment, which is NOT copied here by BPN in this email to
Poythress-List, has:
- Census info for a Glover household in 1850 in Gibson Co, TN and 1860 in
Mecklenburg Co, VA
- "Julies Timeline for Arimenta Kidd" with "Notes compiled by Julie
Cabitto and Anne Kleinman"
- and other info about Arimenta Kidd's family

+ + + + + + + + +

3re Attachment, which is NOT copied here by BPN in this email to
Poythress-List, has:
Tennessee Jordan Glover's Timeline, By: Julie Cabitto, Aug 30, 2002 [NOTE:
This timeline has entries from 1822 to 1919, & shows she married Alvin
Newton Dortch who was born 6 Dec 1844 in Mecklenburg, VA to parents William
Archer Dortch (said to be born abt 1818 in Ireland) and Sarah "Sally"
Gooden Edwards Poythress, who was said to be born 14 Nov 1826 in NC.]		12/03/2002 2:46:20
Decatur Co, GA?Charles NealIf someone on our Poythress-List tried to send me a copy of something from
the Decatur Co, GA List, please be aware that it was not in pure text
format & was completely un-readable to me.

Barbara (BPN)



12/05/2002 3:18:01
Obit Elsie Hathaway Poythress, Oct 14, 2002, NCCharles NealThank you so much for posting her obituary info.
BPN
= = = = =
From: CLamb5582@aol.com
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 07:50:18 EST
Subject: Poythress
Old-To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

My grandmother past away in October. This information came from Raleigh
News Observer on October 14, 2002

Elsie Hathaway Poythress
Wilson-Elsie Hathaway Poythress 87, died Sunday, October 13, 2002, at
Wilson Medical Center. She was born January 2, 1915, in Edgecombe County.
Daughter of the late James E. and Annie Summerlin Hathaway. She was a
charter member of First Free Will Baptist Church in Wilson. Mrs. Poythress
was preceded in death by her husband Rev. Willard L. Poythress.A Funeral
service will be held Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 2:00pm at
Thomas-Yelverton Funeral Chapel. Burial will follow at Evergreen Memorial
Park. The family will receive friends from 7-8:30pm tonight at the funeral
home and other times at the home. Surviving are: stepmother, Thelma Watson
of Elm City, sons and daughters-in-law; Bill R. and Glenda Poythress of
Wilson and Jimmy and Judy Poythress of Elm City, daughters and son in laws;
Dot P. and Mayor Bruce Rose of Wilson, Barbara P. and E. L. Boykin (my
parents) of Columbia, SC, Ruby P. and Curtis Glover of Wilson, and Lynda P.
and Bill Campbell of Wilson. She is also survived by six sisters. Mattie
Edwards and Edna Wilson, both of Petersburg, VA, Shirley Warren of
Williamburg, Va. Carolyn Upchurch of Elm City, Helen Reush of
Charlottesville, VA, and Patti Jones of Elm City; 12 grandchildren; 19
great grandchildren and two special caregivers, Jackie Lucas and Dorothy
Lucas. Arrangements are by Thomas-Yelverton Funeral Service of Nash Street,
Wilson

==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		01/04/2003 10:38:24
PoythressMy grandmother past away in October. This information came from Raleigh News
Observer on October 14, 2002

Elsie Hathaway Poythress
Wilson-Elsie Hathaway Poythress 87, died Sunday, October 13, 2002, at Wilson
Medical Center. She was born January 2, 1915, in Edgecombe County. Daughter
of the late James E. and Annie Summerlin Hathaway. She was a charter member
of First Free Will
Baptist Church in Wilson. Mrs. Poythress was preceded in death by her husband
Rev. Willard L. Poythress.
A Funeral service will be held Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 2:00pm at
Thomas-Yelverton Funeral Chapel. Burial will follow at Evergreen Memorial
Park. The family will receive friends from
7-8:30pm tonight at the funeral home and other times at the home.
Surviving are: stepmother, Thelma Watson of Elm City, sons and
daughters-in-law; Bill R. and Glenda Poythress of Wilson and Jimmy and Judy
Poythress of Elm City, daughters and son in laws; Dot P. and Mayor Bruce Rose
of Wilson, Barbara P. and E. L. Boykin (my parents) of Columbia, SC, Ruby P.
and Curtis Glover of Wilson, and Lynda P. and Bill Campbell of Wilson. She is
also survived by six sisters. Mattie Edwards and Edna Wilson, both of
Petersburg, VA, Shirley Warren of Williamburg, Va. Carolyn Upchurch of Elm
City, Helen Reush of Charlottesville, VA, and Patti Jones of Elm City;
12 grandchildren; 19 great grandchildren and two special caregivers, Jackie
Lucas and Dorothy Lucas.
Arrangements are by Thomas-Yelverton Funeral Service of Nash Street, Wilson		01/04/2003 12:50:18
test message - new email addressBarbara P. NealThis is a test to see if I have settings correct with my new email
address & new computer.

Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)





01/08/2003 5:04:19
Martha Jane Poythress Tucker????Hello to all. Hope everyone had a GREAT Holiday Season.

While working on a census project, I ran across this family in Sumter,
Alabama.

1850 - Paynesville Twp - page 280, lines 14-17, date 15 Oct.

John N. Tucker, age 25, male, farmer, born VA
Martha J. , age 20, female, born VA
Caroline S., age 19, female, born VA
Evelina F., age 17, female, born VA

If this is Martha Jane Poythress, daughter of David and Mary Speed Poythress,
who married John N. Tucker on 18 Oct. 1848, in Mecklenburg VA, then this
might be the reason James Edward and Catherine Poythress, moved to Sumter,
AL.

John and Martha Tucker are not in Payneville, or Sumterville, in the 1860
census. Does anyone know where Martha died, prior to the Administration of
the Estate of David Poythress?

Take care,
Elaine		01/09/2003 6:45:06
Re: Martha Jane Poythress Tucker????Barbara P. NealElaine, you are doing a great job in your searching of the censuses!

Thanks so much for letting us know of this family (copied below from
your original message) in Sumter County, Alabama. It is indeed
interesting to consider that this could be Martha Jane Poythress who
married John N. Tucker 18 Oct 1848 in Mecklenburg County, VA, as you
mentioned.

I checked the 1855 Sumter County, Alabama census (one conducted by the
state of Alabama, NOT a federal census) to see if John N. Tucker was
listed in it. (It only lists names for the heads of households, not for
all residents.) John N. Tucker was not in the county then; the only
Tucker listed in Sumter Co in that 1855 state census, was a William
Tucker; from the listing I saw, one cannot tell *where* in the county
anyone lived.

Thanks again,
Barbara (BPN)

>>
While working on a census project, I ran across this family in Sumter,
Alabama.

1850 - Paynesville Twp - page 280, lines 14-17, date 15 Oct.

John N. Tucker, age 25, male, farmer, born VA
Martha J. , age 20, female, born VA
Caroline S., age 19, female, born VA
Evelina F., age 17, female, born VA		01/12/2003 1:45:20
Ancestry U. S. Census CollectionJohn M PoythressElaine

I have just received my "Spring2003" Ancestry Catalog. The tout line is "You get indexed images of actual census pages--in the census taker's own handwriting."

From what you say about having to scan with your eye every page....it suggests to me that the thing is technically "indexed", I suppose inasmuch as maybe the pages are numbered or something like that......but one should NOT infer from that that the thing is "searchable" because if it is indexed, it most certainly is not indexed by surname or something like that, is it?

Then you said something I didn't quite get the jist of....something like once someone "selects" a particular individual and/or household, then that individual then goes into a searchable data base? You have any idea of how that works? Or, I suppose the better question is "does that really work?" Is the aggregate of all of their customers building a searchable data base for them over the years as someone calls up each name?

Also, I assume once you get a census "page" on your screen you need to scroll around on it to transcribe the data....I mean, they don't reduce it to your computer's "page size" do they?

And I would also assume that any "search" feature would be the laborious task of somebody at Ancestry.com going name by name and reproducing it. And that, in and of itself, is still vulnerable to misspellings by the guy or gal who builds the searchable data base, isn't it?

Would you give us a little more of a take on this? Many thanks.

Maynard		01/13/2003 10:53:36
Prince George Rootsweb ListJohn M PoythressWhen I changed my address I lost all my Rootsweb "subscriptions." I have resubscribed to all but Prince George. I went to the page and looked forever and couldn't find a "name." I tried what looked logical: " VAPrinc-d-request@rootsweb.com".

It bounced so obviously I got the name wrong. Is any one on here subscribed to that list who can give me the right "name"?

Also, there is a "JamesRiver" listserver and I'd also like that one if anyone has address.

Many thanks,

Maynard



01/13/2003 10:59:30
Re:Ancestry U.S.Census CollectionElaine

I have just received my "Spring2003" Ancestry Catalog. The tout line is "You
get indexed images of actual census pages--in the census taker's own
handwriting."

From what you say about having to scan with your eye every page....it
suggests to me that the thing is technically "indexed", I suppose inasmuch as
maybe the pages are numbered or something like that......but one should NOT
infer from that that the thing is "searchable" because if it is indexed, it
most certainly is not indexed by surname or something like that, is it?

Then you said something I didn't quite get the jist of....something like once
someone "selects" a particular individual and/or household, then that
individual then goes into a searchable data base? You have any idea of how
that works? Or, I suppose the better question is "does that really work?"
Is the aggregate of all of their customers building a searchable data base
for them over the years as someone calls up each name?

Also, I assume once you get a census "page" on your screen you need to scroll
around on it to transcribe the data....I mean, they don't reduce it to your
computer's "page size" do they?

And I would also assume that any "search" feature would be the laborious task
of somebody at Ancestry.com going name by name and reproducing it. And that,
in and of itself, is still vulnerable to misspellings by the guy or gal who
builds the searchable data base, isn't it?

Would you give us a little more of a take on this? Many thanks.

Maynard

Hello to all,

I will try and explain this Maynard, but do not know how good a job, I will
do.

When you first go to Ancestry.com website, it looks much like rootswebs,
home page. It has a search feature at the top that anyone can access, using
given name, surname or both. It also has an advanced search option, where
you can search by name, date range, location. Say I want to see if they have
anything on a John Poythress in Georgia, in 1870. I type that information in
to the Advanced Search, click search and it will bring up all the areas I
could find something on a John Poythress, in Georgia, in the 1870 time frame.
1.Census 2.Newspapers 3.Court, Land and Probate 4. Birth, Death,Marriage 5.
Military Records, 6. Immigration Records 7. Records from England 8. Irish
Records 9. Ancestry World Tree 10. Message Boards. Say after typing in John
Poythress, the search turns up 3 Court Records, 10 census records, 4 marriage
records, 5 Ancestry World Tree, about a John Poythress. Here is where the
money issue comes in. You must join Ancestry to access the records. There
is a set price, if you want the entire package, or you can join only specific
record types.

Now once I have done the search, I click on census and it will tell me where
I can find each, John Poythress in the census; year of census, state,
county, and page number. If it is an indexed census year, 1790-1850 and
1920-1930, it has a field that says "click here to view image" by each of the
John Poythresses. When you click, it take you directly to the actual census
page, in the takers handwriting.

For 1860-1870 if someone at Ancestry has put, say Thomas Poythress, in the
database, it will tell you year, state, county, and page number. You then
have to go to the census data base yourself, click census year, state and
county, and go page by page until you find the correct page number. Only
select counties, and states are done for these years. In North Carolina,
Granville, and Chatham are not indexed in the database, so if I were looking
for Thomas Poythress in Chatham County, it would not turn up in a search.
You would have to go to the census data base, click 1870 census, North
Carolina, Chatham County, and go image by image, looking for Thomas
Poythress. All the census images, are the actual, handwritten census pages.
Just like microfilm.

There is no indexing for the data base for 1880-1910. There is a Miracode
index for a few select counties of select states, for 1910. For these years,
you are on your on. You have to view each page of the census, in a certain
state and county, trying to locate the person you are looking for.

I have never seen an index at Ancestry, done in the census takers
handwriting, so I do not know anything, about that. All I have seen are the
census pages.

You are correct Maynard about, the people who did the indexing, being
vulnerable to misspellings, by the person building the database. I have seen
it many times doing this project, I am working on. That is why I am doing a
Search, using every possible spelling I can think of. It looks like it is
spelled Poythress to me, but the data person thinks it looks like Paythress,
so that is the way it is indexed in the data base.

Well, I hope this helps. I am afraid, you might be even more confused.

Take care,
Elaine		01/13/2003 12:23:47
Application of Civil War Pension - John P. PoythressA conversation I had with BPN yesterday, reminded me that I had not posted
this.

I found this on the internet.

Florida Confederate Pension Application Files
http://dlis.dos.state.fl.us/barm/Pension_Description.html

Application # A03182
Poythress, John P.
Service Unit - Lousianna
Reference - Wife's Name - Mary Dolan
Application County and Year - Gadsden Co., 1888

Take care,
Elaine		01/18/2003 5:25:41
James S. and John P.John M PoythressElaine:

Re:
Application # A03182
Poythress, John P.
Service Unit - Lousianna
Reference - Wife's Name - Mary Dolan
Application County and Year - Gadsden Co., 1888

As information, this gentleman is the son of the illusive James S. Poythress of Screven County who migrated to Gadsden Co., patented two sections of land there and raised a family of, as I remember, 4 or 5 children. To my knowledge, it has never been revealed if John P. went to Louisiana to elist...or, if he was there to begin with...for, for that matter, why he even went there at all.
The Dolan family was native to Gadsden County so he likely didn't go there to get married (unless maybe they eloped).

The father, James S. Poythress sells his land in Screven (we have the deeds) and migrates to Gadsden County, FL about 1828. There is the hint of a Masonic connection and James S. seems to have been involved in founding a "chapter" in Gasden County. I have used the son John P. Poythress in trying to find the front end of James S. Poythress' line but John P. is a tougher chase than his father.

Maynard		01/20/2003 4:14:18
Re: Poythress in Caddo Parish, LousiannaThanks Maynard. I have run across a family of Poythresses, in Caddo Parish,
LA, while working on this census project. In 1860 there was:

HH 408, Caddo Parish, LA, Shreveport PO, page 459, date 27 July

Poythress, James A., age 38, farmer, $1000 Real Estate, $300 Per. Estate,
born GA, married in ?1851
, Martha A., age 30, born VA, married ?1851
, Emma J., age 8, born LA
, Mary V., age 6, born LA
, Wm. H., age 4, born LA
, John M., age 26, carpenter, born FL

I have not really started researching Louisianna yet, for this project. This
is one that the Ancestry search engine generated. I do not know yet, if they
were still there in 1870 and beyond. This might not say WHY they were there,
but it does prove that Poythresses were living in Caddo Parish, a little
before the Civil War started, and that at least one of them had a FL
connection.

Also, another note, there was an Emma J. Poythress, who married a C.C.
Robinson, 10 Nov. 1871, in Panola Co., TX. So this family could have, moved
across the state line after the War.

Take care,
Elaine

Elaine:

Re:
Application # A03182
Poythress, John P.
Service Unit - Lousianna
Reference - Wife's Name - Mary Dolan
Application County and Year - Gadsden Co., 1888

As information, this gentleman is the son of the illusive James S. Poythress
of Screven County who migrated to Gadsden Co., patented two sections of land
there and raised a family of, as I remember, 4 or 5 children. To my
knowledge, it has never been revealed if John P. went to Louisiana to
elist...or, if he was there to begin with...for, for that matter, why he even
went there at all.
The Dolan family was native to Gadsden County so he likely didn't go there to
get married (unless maybe they eloped).

The father, James S. Poythress sells his land in Screven (we have the deeds)
and migrates to Gadsden County, FL about 1828. There is the hint of a
Masonic connection and James S. seems to have been involved in founding a
"chapter" in Gasden County. I have used the son John P. Poythress in trying
to find the front end of James S. Poythress' line but John P. is a tougher
chase than his father.

Maynard		01/20/2003 6:46:40
Re: Poythress in Caddo Parish, LAThanks Linda, for all the great information on the Florida Poythresses. I am
sure I will run across them several times, while doing this census project
and now I will be able to put them in perspective. The Poythresses have been
very mobile, thoughout time, so it always helps to have a picture, so to
speak, of whom and where they originated.
With all the Johns, James, Edwards, etc., it is so easy to get them all mixed
up. I had George W. (son of Edward and Mahaly) mixed up until recently, with
the George W. (son of my line, David and Mary Speed Dortch), which there
seems to be no information about, at least from what I can tell.

Take care,
Elaine

Elaine, I've been in touch with Maynard numerous times during the past
several years re John P. Poythress, my great grandfather. I too have seen
this 1860 Caddo Parish, LA census record in the past. It appears that the
John M. Poythress listed in this household to be our John P. Poythress. I
seem to recall having been told by Texas connections that a couple of Gadsden
Co., FL Poythress girls and who are believed to be sisters to John P. married
in Gadsden Co., FL and moved to Texas about this same time. John M. is the
correct age for my John P., b. Sep 1833, Gadsden Co., FL. The economy
suffered great losses in this area in the mid-1840s and the failure of the
first bank in Tallahassee, The Union Bank, certainly did not help the
situation. Gadsden County is located adjacent to Leon Co., FL - the capital
seat of the State & Gadsden was certainly in the middle, so to speak, of this
highly political era - statehood was in 1845. James P. Poythress (Maynard
referred to him as James S.) owned shares of stock in this bank & certainly
suffered a loss with this bank failure. About this same time, many many
families in this area were leaving for "greener pastures", Louisiana and
Texas being places of interest. James A. Poythress also enlisted in the
Confederate army about the same time as John P. It is known that John P.
fought with the Confederate Army throughout TN & KY until he was wounded
(collar bone injury from shot) at the Battle of Stones River (Murfreesboro,
TN). Records show that he was captured and transferred to various
hospitals/prisons for about 5 months, until being exchanged and then released
at Camp, near Jackson, Mississippi. To our family, it appears that John P.
decided to return to his native county of Gadsden, FL where he was known by
so many friends & neighbors from his years of having grown up there rather
than to Caddo Parish, LA where it appears that he was living with his brother
& family at the time of his enlistment. It is likely that the Dolan family
took care of him & nursed him back to better health after his return to the
area he called "home". Mary Dolan would have been an older teenager at this
time and following the close of the War John P. & Mary married. My
grandmother always told how her father had been shot at Murfreesboro, TN at
Christmas time and suffered from an injury to his collar bone & shoulder.
She recalled how he had something like a nervous twitch in his shoulder.
That was the extent of her knowledge of his War years & injury. Hope this has
helped you a little.
Linda Clark Smith		01/22/2003 6:13:52
ID THEFT ON THE RISE Researchers beware! This samething happen to me!GenealogyResearcher,

I'm dealing with the mountainous headache of reclaiming my life. Proving who I
am is harder than one can imagine. A year later and I am no closer straightening
out this mess. Lawyers fees have pushed me into bankruptcy. As this article
mentions. This person lost their identity through a genealogy web site. The same
with me. Please be careful!

WW

This is just one example of many i have found.
http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/columns/george/5828.asp
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/12/eveningnews/main503584.shtml
Identity Thieves Get Online

SALEM, Ore., March 12, 2002

(AP)


"It's something you don't have to be a rocket scientist to do."
Stephen Massey,
convicted identity thief


ID THEFT ON THE RISE


(CBS) Identity theft has become an epidemic, with thieves surfing the Internet
for public records and rifling through the garbage for names, records and
receipts.

CBS News Correspondent Jerry Bowen reports an estimated 750,000 victims a year
are affected by the crime.

The practice is as common in the newspaper police blotter now as old fashioned
burglary, and no one is immune. Ben and Tracy Bales' 16-month-old son Tyler's
identity was stolen after the boy died.

Ben explains someone claimed Tyler as a dependent to get a $1,500 tax credit.
The Baleses learned of the fraud only when the Internal Revenue Service rejected
their tax return.

It angers Ben that the Salem, Ore. couple had to bring a death certificate and
other documents to the IRS as proof when, "The person that stole his identity
didn't have to prove anything. But we had to prove that he was our child."

The Baleses believe the thief got Tyler's information from a genealogy Web site,
where he is still listed. Ironically, they still don't know who the person is,
because the IRS protects the thief's identity.

And then there's the story of Seattle resident Dawn Whitaker. Identity theft
made her life a living hell. "I lost my life," she says. "I lost who I am
because somebody else became me."

As she has worked through piles of paperwork trying to clear her credit record,
so far the thief has rung up about $5,000 in fraudulent checks and credit card
charges.

Along the way Whitaker made an amazing find: there was video from a record store
of the person using her stolen credit card, twice in 20 minutes.

But without a name for the face caught on tape, she says the police won't even
look at it. "If I knew a name, we wouldn't be going through all this," she
explains.

Identity theft is a low priority for many police departments, and that's a big
advantage for identity thief Stephen Massey. Though he is now in federal prison,
he maintains, "it's something you don't have to be a rocket scientist to do."

Massey ran up $400,000 in fraudulent credit card charges on the stolen
identities of 800 victims. He says he got help from the credit card companies.

He sees Web sites that allow you to apply for and receive credit card accounts
online as "free money." "It's better than robbing a bank," he says. "But you're
robbing a bank."


© MMII, CBS Worldwide Inc. All Rights Reserved.		01/22/2003 6:38:30
Re: Poythress in Caddo Parish, LAJohn M PoythressWhups....thanks for setting that one straight for me, Linda. It is indeed
James P. Poythress and not James S. And I make it that his son John P.
Poythress is the Caddo gentleman in question. And I also have it somewhere
in my head that the son is James Price Poythress and marries a Mary Dolan.
I also got a name off the Saints board of a Bargeron (?) lady over in Jax
who is also researching the family. I attempted to contact her with the
e-mail she showed and the e-mail was no longer good.
Maynard

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Poythress in Caddo Parish, LA


> Thanks Linda, for all the great information on the Florida Poythresses. I
am
> sure I will run across them several times, while doing this census project
> and now I will be able to put them in perspective. The Poythresses have
been
> very mobile, thoughout time, so it always helps to have a picture, so to
> speak, of whom and where they originated.
> With all the Johns, James, Edwards, etc., it is so easy to get them all
mixed
> up. I had George W. (son of Edward and Mahaly) mixed up until recently,
with
> the George W. (son of my line, David and Mary Speed Dortch), which there
> seems to be no information about, at least from what I can tell.
>
> Take care,
> Elaine
>
> Elaine, I've been in touch with Maynard numerous times during the past
> several years re John P. Poythress, my great grandfather. I too have seen
> this 1860 Caddo Parish, LA census record in the past. It appears that the
> John M. Poythress listed in this household to be our John P. Poythress. I
> seem to recall having been told by Texas connections that a couple of
Gadsden
> Co., FL Poythress girls and who are believed to be sisters to John P.
married
> in Gadsden Co., FL and moved to Texas about this same time. John M. is
the
> correct age for my John P., b. Sep 1833, Gadsden Co., FL. The economy
> suffered great losses in this area in the mid-1840s and the failure of the
> first bank in Tallahassee, The Union Bank, certainly did not help the
> situation. Gadsden County is located adjacent to Leon Co., FL - the
capital
> seat of the State & Gadsden was certainly in the middle, so to speak, of
this
> highly political era - statehood was in 1845. James P. Poythress (Maynard
> referred to him as James S.) owned shares of stock in this bank &
certainly
> suffered a loss with this bank failure. About this same time, many many
> families in this area were leaving for "greener pastures", Louisiana and
> Texas being places of interest. James A. Poythress also enlisted in the
> Confederate army about the same time as John P. It is known that John P.
> fought with the Confederate Army throughout TN & KY until he was wounded
> (collar bone injury from shot) at the Battle of Stones River
(Murfreesboro,
> TN). Records show that he was captured and transferred to various
> hospitals/prisons for about 5 months, until being exchanged and then
released
> at Camp, near Jackson, Mississippi. To our family, it appears that John
P.
> decided to return to his native county of Gadsden, FL where he was known
by
> so many friends & neighbors from his years of having grown up there rather
> than to Caddo Parish, LA where it appears that he was living with his
brother
> & family at the time of his enlistment. It is likely that the Dolan
family
> took care of him & nursed him back to better health after his return to
the
> area he called "home". Mary Dolan would have been an older teenager at
this
> time and following the close of the War John P. & Mary married. My
> grandmother always told how her father had been shot at Murfreesboro, TN
at
> Christmas time and suffered from an injury to his collar bone & shoulder.
> She recalled how he had something like a nervous twitch in his shoulder.
> That was the extent of her knowledge of his War years & injury. Hope this
has
> helped you a little.
> Linda Clark Smith
>
>
>
>
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>		01/22/2003 10:05:23
Elizabeth (Eliza) G. PoythressDale PoythressIn going over my notes I found this information I had copied. I. have not
been able to make a definite connection with them & I do not know what some
of the abbreviations stand for. If someone out there does know, please let
me know.

Vol. III Part 2 Abstracts of Vital Records from Raleigh, NC Newspapers
1830 - 1839

Article 6063
Trewaller: m. In Granville Co.on the 15th Mr. Henry P. Trewaller to Miss
Eliza Poytress, dau. of Mr. L. Poytress
(Could this be Lewis?). RaNCSw Fri 31 May 1833 3:5./ mb Granville Co.
Trewaller, Henry P. & Eliza G. Poytress
12 May 1833 Payton Hayes (w) Jno. P. Smith


Article 5784
Stone: m. In Franklin Co. on the 14th Feb. last by the Rev. Gideon Bass, Mr.
Elias S. Stone to Miss Martha Ann Eliza Thomas, dau of Mr. Robert S. Thomas,
a grand dau of Mr. John Portus. RaNCSw Fri 17 May 1833 3:5./ mb
Franklin Co. Stone, Elias & Martha Thomas 6 Feb 1833 Marmaduke May (w)
S. Patterson

Sarah		01/23/2003 4:18:30
John P. PoythressJames SmithJust for the record -- at the present time, I've not yet seen anything
to verify that John P. Poythress' middle name is actually "Price". It
does make sense though. Price is a name carried on in the family of one
of my grandmother's sisters now for several generations. As I've stated
before, the little handwritten family history book only indicates "John
P. Poythress". If only, in addition to his wife & children, he would
have also listed his parents & sibblings!! What a blessing that would
have been for us now!!

I'm not certain who the lady in Jacksonville is - Bargeron(?). Likely
one of our cousins -- . I do know there is a cousin who's a member of
the LDS church & she furnished some info. into the system some years
ago. Will try to do some searching of this "Price" name out this year
and perhaps find some old records around here in Gadsden County, too.

Linda



01/23/2003 12:18:12
FW: [QC-ETANGLO] Post 1901 Census -- 1906 Census records released todaySnake Eyes-----Original Message-----
From:
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Subject: [QC-ETANGLO] Post 1901 Census -- 1906 Census records released
today


Greetings All.

"Genealogists, historians, and researchers across the country won a
major victory today as Industry Minister Allan Rock announced the
immediate release of the nominal records from the 1906 census. Ontario
Senator Lorna Milne (Liberal -- Peel Region) welcomed the news."

So reads the opening paragraph of a News Release issued today, 24
January 2003, by Senator Lorna Milne.

The full text of Senator Milne's News Release, and other pertinent News
Releases, can be found on the Post 1901 Census Project website at

http://www.globalgenealogy.com/Census

The announced release of the 1906 Special Census of the Western
Provinces is indeed a major victory for genealogists and historians who
have been actively campaigning for this for the past five years. It is
felt that release of the 1906 Census will lead the way for the eventual
release of the 1911 and subsequent Censuses of Canada.

We are grateful to Industry Minister Allan Rock for recognizing what is
right and proper, and doing what legally should have been done in 1998.
We are pleased that the Minister has released the 1906 records in
full, and without restrictions, on the same basis as 1901 and earlier
records have been available.

We are grateful also to MP Murray Calder, and especially to Senator
Lorna Milne for the effort they have put in for us to reach this point
in our campaign.

We have won a major battle, but the war is not yet over. We have yet to
deal with expected legislation that must ensure the orderly and
continued release of Historic Census records, after the legislated
period of closure. We expect that legislation to be brought down
shortly after Parliament resumes sitting at the end of January. We
trust Minister Rock, in drafting the legislation, to remember that what
we seek is the same unrestricted access to records after, now 1906, that
is currently available for records up to then.

Check my latest column giving more details at

http://globalgazette.net/gazce/gazce89.htm

Happy Hunting.



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http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237		01/24/2003 3:41:40
Census ProjectHello to all. Hope you are all well.

I am working on a Census Project for the List/Site. It will eventually cover
all available census years, and states, within the US. I am gathering the
data from census images at Ancestry.com. I have just completed North
Carolina and will be starting Virginia soon.

If you have any census notes, for Virginia, of Poythresses, or possible
Poythresses, of any spelling, I would appreciate it, if you would send them
to me personally, so I can establish a checklist for this state. This would
help, to ensure, I find as many as possible. If you can contribute, please
have them to me by Feb. 7, 2003.

Thank you and take care,
Elaine
Denver145@aol.com		01/24/2003 6:46:56
Re: Application of Civil War Pension - John P. PoythressBarbara P. NealElaine,

Thanks so much for introducing us all to one of the many great scanned
resources that Florida has placed on the internet as the Florida Memory
Project.

It is great to see that all 26 pages of the Poythress Condederate
Pension Application are there for the viewing -- without having to go
thru a long & expensive process of ordering photocopies from the archives.
BPN
= = =

Florida Confederate Pension Application Files
http://dlis.dos.state.fl.us/barm/Pension_Description.html

Application # A03182
Poythress, John P.
Service Unit - Lousianna
Reference - Wife's Name - Mary Dolan
Application County and Year - Gadsden Co., 1888

Take care,
Elaine		01/25/2003 1:36:48
Re: Elizabeth (Eliza) G. Poythress / PoytressBarbara P. NealSarah & all,

Your question reminds all of us that when we are getting info from any
volume, we need to be sure we also get the clues on how to read what we
got which is something I've had painful reminders of, on numerous
occasions. It took some digging to find the answers to your questions.

Some of the info needed about the abbreviations used, was found in the
Introduction portion of Volume III of this series; some was in the
Introduction portion of Volume I; and some was in the Bibliography
portion of Volume III.

This series of volumes was compiled by Lois Smathers Neal, who was a
founder & charter member of the North Carolina Genealogical Society, and
who served as a reference librarian in the NC State Library, Raleigh,
from 1959-1967, and then was supervisor of that Library's Genealogical
Services Branch from 1971-74. She died in 1986 after a long illness. By
the way, Volume I covered 1799-1819, and Volume II covered 1820-1829.

In recopying the abstract as given in the original List message, I have
made a couple of slight corrections to what was actually shown in the
volume, so that we can get every bit of info that the abstracter's
abbreviations can indicate. For example, I corrected "mb" to begin on a
separate line as "MB." as it is shown in the actual volume; the "MB."
portion lists what Lois Smathers Neal inserted regarding the actual
Marriage Bond she had found that correlated with the newspaper article.
And I inserted the "..." where that appears in the volume, too.

In the Introduction of the Volume, it is noted that "Each abstract
retains, as nearly as possible, the original language, spelling, use of
capital letters, and abbreviations of the source item." though it
further notes that the abstracter has abbreviated official and military
titles. Thus we know that the name of Mr. L. Poytress, father of Eliza,
would appear exactly that way; so perhaps it was a Mr. Lewis Poytress,
but perhaps not.

ABBREVIATIONS used, in the order in which they appear in the below
abstracts:

M. = an article re a marriage

... = in the Intro, she indicated that "Ellipsis points are: (1) used
conventionally to indicate omissions of text matter, and (2) used
unconventionally when phrases are lifted out of context for insertion in
composite abstracts." [Thus, we can assume that if we track down a copy
of the original newspaper, there might be additional info in the actual
article about Eliza's marriage.]

dau = daughter

RaNCSw = the newspaper "North Carolina Star" which was a weekly, and
which had issues from Nov. 3, 1830 to Dec. 31, 1839, which are
abstracted in Volume III. It is noted in the Introduction that the
various newspapers abstracted have many missing issues.

publication info such as "Fri 31 May 1833 3:5./" means that the
particular article appeared in the issue dated Friday 31 May 1833, on
page 3, in column 5.

/ = "The slash (1) appears after the last legible letter of a line of
type on a torn page and (2) separates the paper citations when needed;
thus for us, the "/" indicates the end of the end of the paper citation,
separating it from the Marriage Bond info.

MB. = Marriage Bond

(w) = "Precedes the signature of the person who issued the marriage
bond, usually the Clerk of the County Court or his Deputy.

Vol. III Part 2 Abstracts of Vital Records from Raleigh, NC Newspapers
1830 - 1839, Compiled by Lois Smathers Neal

Article 6063
TREWALLER: M. In Granville county ... on the 15th Mr. HENRY P.
TREWALLER to Miss ELIZA POYTRESS, dau of Mr. L. POYTRESS. RaNCSw Fri 31
May 1833 3:5./
MB. Granville Co. TREWALLER, HENRY P.
ELIZA POYTRESS 12 May 1833
PEYTON HAYES (w) JNO. P. SMITH [Note: so Smith was apparently the Clerk
or Deputy who issued the marriage bond]

BPN		01/25/2003 1:36:57
John Poythress / Portus marr of his Thomas granddaughter 1833 NCBarbara P. NealThis message concerns a second newspaper abstract that originally
appeared in the message to the Poythress-List on 1/23/03, captioned
"Elizabeth (Eliza) G. Poythress." Below the abstract, I'm copying the
info about abbreviations that I located to help read the abstract, with
my own notations in square brackets. That info about the abbreviations
also appears in my response (captioned "Re: Elizabeth (Eliza) G.
Poythress / Poytress") re the first newspaper abstract in the original
message.

Of course, we have no way of knowing if "John Portus" was in one of the
Poythress family lines, just using an alternate spelling, or was
completely unrelated. To have a granddaughter marrying in 1833, he
obviously was born in the 1700s when spelling was much less standardized.
BPN

Vol. III Part 2 Abstracts of Vital Records from Raleigh, NC Newspapers
1830 - 1839, Compiled by Lois Smathers Neal

Article 5784
STONE: M. In Franklin Co. on the 14th February last, by the Rev. GIDEON
BASS, Mr. ELIAS S. STONE to Miss MARTHA ANN ELIZA THOMAS, dau of Mr.
ROBERT S. THOMAS, a grand dau of Mr. JOHN PORTUS. RaNCSw Fri 17 May
1833 3:5./
MB. Franklin Co. STOKES, ELIAS MARTHA THOMAS 6 Feb 1833
MARMADUKE MAY (w) S. PATTERSON [Note: thus Patterson was apparently the
Clerk or Deputy who issued the marriage bond]
[Name Note: Yes, Volume III really does indeed have "Stone" in the
newspaper abstract portion of this entry, and a different name, "Stokes"
in the marriage bond portion of the entry. One of those two spellings in
the volume is undoubtedly a typo, but since the preceding article,
#5783, is regarding a person named Stokes, and the following article,
#5785, is regarding a person named Stone, we really can't be sure
without looking at a copy of the original newspaper whether the groom's
name in our article of interest, #5784, was Stone or Stokes.]

Some of the info needed about the abbreviations used, was found in the
Introduction portion of Volume III of this series; some was in the
Introduction portion of Volume I; and some was in the Bibliography
portion of Volume III.

This series of volumes was compiled by Lois Smathers Neal, who was a
founder & charter member of the North Carolina Genealogical Society, and
who served as a reference librarian in the NC State Library, Raleigh,
from 1959-1967, and then was supervisor of that Library's Genealogical
Services Branch from 1971-74. She died in 1986 after a long illness. By
the way, Volume I covered 1799-1819, and Volume II covered 1820-1829.

In recopying the abstract as given in the original List message, I have
made a couple of slight corrections to what was actually shown in the
volume, so that we can get every bit of info that the abstracter's
abbreviations can indicate. For example, I corrected "mb" to begin on a
separate line as "MB." as it is shown in the actual volume; the "MB."
portion lists what Lois Smathers Neal inserted regarding the actual
Marriage Bond she had found that correlated with the newspaper article.
And I inserted the "..." where that appears in the volume, too.

In the Introduction of the Volume, it is noted that "Each abstract
retains, as nearly as possible, the original language, spelling, use of
capital letters, and abbreviations of the source item." though it
further notes that the abstracter has abbreviated official and military
titles. Thus we know that the name of Mr. L. Poytress, father of Eliza,
would appear exactly that way; so perhaps it was a Mr. Lewis Poytress,
but perhaps not.

ABBREVIATIONS used, in the order in which they appear in the below
abstracts:

M. = an article re a marriage

... = in the Intro, she indicated that "Ellipsis points are: (1) used
conventionally to indicate omissions of text matter, and (2) used
unconventionally when phrases are lifted out of context for insertion in
composite abstracts." [Thus, we can assume that if we track down a copy
of the original newspaper, there might be additional info in the actual
article about Eliza's marriage.]

dau = daughter

RaNCSw = the newspaper "North Carolina Star" which was a weekly, and
which had issues from Nov. 3, 1830 to Dec. 31, 1839, which are
abstracted in Volume III. It is noted in the Introduction that the
various newspapers abstracted have many missing issues.

publication info such as "Fri 17 May 1833 3:5./" means that the
particular article appeared in the issue dated Friday 17 May 1833, on
page 3, in column 5.

/ = "The slash (1) appears after the last legible letter of a line of
type on a torn page and (2) separates the paper citations when needed;
thus for us, the "/" indicates the end of the end of the paper citation,
separating it from the Marriage Bond info.

MB. = Marriage Bond

(w) = "Precedes the signature of the person who issued the marriage
bond, usually the Clerk of the County Court or his Deputy.		01/25/2003 1:37:05
NC newspaper abstract, marriage of Susan Portres / PoythressBarbara P. NealBelow is info from a marriage article abstracted in "Volume I, Abstracts
of Vital Records from Raleigh, NC Newspapers 1799-1819" compiled by Lois
Smathers Neal.

Even though the spelling of the bride's surname, Portres, is quite
different from Poythress, we can recognize it.

Article #4995
WILCOX: M.[Marriage] A few days ago, at Petersburg, [Virginia] Mr. JOHN
WILCOX, merchant of that town, to Miss SUSAN PORTRES of Prince George
county [Va.]. RR Mon 1 Oct 1804 3:5 [page 3, column 5, of the Monday 1
October 1804 issue of the Raleigh Register, a weekly, shown as the
Raleigh Register and North Carolina (State) Gazette in the Bibliography
of this Volume]		01/25/2003 1:37:13
NC 3 newspaper abstracts - Ira Portis / Portes /? Poythress and wivesBarbara P. NealToday I had access to the series of volumes "Abstracts of Vital Records
from Raleigh, NC Newspapers" compiled by Lois Smathers Neal. In "Volume
I, Abstracts of Vital Records from Raleigh, NC Newspapers 1799-1819" and
"Volume II, Abstracts of Vital Records from Raleigh, NC Newspapers
1820-1829" from that series, I found abstracts of two death articles and
one marriage article of interest. This series lists abstracts from about
10 years' worth of abstracts in alphabetical order, numbering the
abstracts after they were alphabetized.

Info included in the parentheses below is info that was shown in these
volumes. The "..." appearing in these volumes indicates that additional
info would be found in the original newspaper. Info in the square
brackets below is added by me for clarification, after referring
to the abbreviations for the volumes, and to an 1819 map, and to another
book as noted in my bracketed comment.

Of course, we have no way of knowing if "Ira Portis" was in one of the
Poythress family lines, just using an alternate spelling, or was
completely unrelated. For him in 1819 to have a 36-year old wife and 7
children, he would have been born in the 1700s when spelling was much
less standardized. With 7 children it is not surprising that he married
again 12 or 13 months after his wife Polly died.

See a separate message from me today re another abstract about Elijah G.
Portis, a Nash County, NC man who was likely a kinsman of this Ira
Portis or Portes, who had emigrated from Nash County, NC to Alabama.
BPN

"Volume I, Abstracts of Vital Records from Raleigh, NC Newspapers
1799-1819" compiled by Lois Smathers Neal
Article #3813
PORTIS: D.[Died] Near Suggsville, Clarke County, A.T., (Alabama
Territory?) [Bpn note: Alabama was earlier part of the Mississippi
Territory, and then became the Alabama Territory in 1817, and became a
state in 1819. In 1819 there was indeed a Clarke County, immediately
southeast of Sumter County. "Place Names in Alabama" by Virginia O.
Foscue, published by The University of Alabama Press in 1989, confirms
that indeed there was a Suggsville in Clarke County, Alabama. The Foscue
volume notes that Suggsville was "named for William Suggs, who opened a
general store here in 1814."] on the 21st ult. [on 21 January], Mrs.
POLLY I. PORTIS, wife of IRA PORTIS, formerly of Ransom's Bridge, in
this State [formerly of Ransom's Bridge, North Carolina], of the Typhus
Fever, in the 36th year of her life ... husband and seven children ...
RR Fri 19 Feb 1819 3:5 [This would be page 3, column 5 of the Friday 19
Feb 1819 issue of the Raleigh Register, a weekly shown in the Volume's
bibliography as Raleigh Register and North Carolina (State) Gazette.]

"Volume II, Abstracts of Vital Records from Raleigh, NC Newspapers
1820-1829" compiled by Lois Smathers Neal
Article #4700
PORTIS: M.[Married] On Monday, the 14th ult. ["ultimate" which should
have referred to 14th of preceding month, versus "instant" for the
current month, though the abstracter noted that use of "ultimate" and
"instant" were inconsistent], near Suggsville, Alabama, IRA PORTIS,
Esq., one of the Judges of the Inferior Court of Clarke county, to Miss
MARY MARSH, dau [daughter] of DARIUS MARSH, of said county. RRw Fri 17
Mar 1820 3:5 [page 3, column 5 of the Friday 17 March 1820 issue of the
Raleigh Register, a weekly newspaper]

"Volume II, Abstracts of Vital Records from Raleigh, NC Newspapers
1820-1829" compiled by Lois Smathers Neal
Article #4701
(PORTIS) PORTES [note, the abstracter inserted the "Portis" at the
beginning of this entry to indicate the more frequent spelling of the
surname, and she underlined the "e" of Portes indicating a possible
misspelling or a probably typographical error in the original text]:
D[Died]: In Clarke county, Alabama, on the 8th ult., IRA PORTES, Esq.
... a native of this state [NC], but emigrated from Nash county to
Alabama some years since. ... wife and ten children. RRsw Fri 7 Oct 1825
3:4 [page 3, column 4 of the Friday 7 October 1825 issue of the Raleigh
Register, a semi-weekly newspaper.]		01/25/2003 1:37:22
NC 1824 newspaper abstract, Elijah G. Portis / ? PoythressBarbara P. NealWe have no way of knowing if "Elijah G. Portis" was in one of the
Poythress family lines, just using an alternate spelling, or was
completely unrelated. See a separate message from me today re another
abstract from this same volume regarding another Portis, Ira who was
from Nash County, NC, and had emigrated to Alabama. It seems likely to
me that Ira and Elijah were kin.

This abstract is from "Volume II, Abstracts of Vital Records from
Raleigh, NC Newspapers, 1820-1829" compiled by Lois Smathers Neal. Info
in the square brackets below is added by me for clarification, after
referring to the abbreviations for the volumes. Following the actual
newspaper abstract, Lois Smathers Neal has included information from a
Marriage Bond which correlates with the newspaper article. Recall that
the actual date of marriage could be some days or weeks later than the
date of the marriage bond; thus a November marriage bond is not
inconsistent with a December marriage, and the report of it in a January
newspaper.
BPN

Article #4699
PORTIS: M.[Married] In Nash county, on the 23d ult. ["ultimate" which
should have referred to 23rd of preceding month, December, though the
abstracter noted that use of "ultimate" was inconsistent], Mr. ELIJAH G.
PORTIS to Miss JACKY V. UNDERWOOD. RRsw Tues 13 Jan 1824 3:5./ RaNCSw
Fri 16 Jan 1824 3:4. [This publication info shows the article was in two
newspapers: page 3, column 5 of the Tuesday 13 January 1824 issue of the
Raleigh Register, a semiweekly newspaper, and page 3, column 4 of the
Friday 16 January 1824 issue of the Raleigh North Carolina Star, a
weekly newspaper]
MB. [Marriage Bond] Nash Co. ____ per the Introduction of Volume II, the
underlining was used in this volume in several ways: (1) by the
newspaper for an unknown given name; (2) by the abstracter as a
space-saving device, used when the marriage bond abstract spells the
name of the groom and/or of the bride as the newspaper does; and (3) to
indicate the insertion of additional and/or deviant information within a
composite abstract. Here, it seems probable to me that it was the 2nd
use, since the groom's name isn't included in the abstract] Jackey
Underwood 11 Nov 1823
Alex(ande)r Smith (w) Benja. H. Blount [thus, Blount was the Clerk or
Deputy issuing the marriage bond]		01/25/2003 1:37:30
James Speed Poythress - Muster Rolls & DeedsI have received some, Civil War Muster Rolls, of James Speed Poythress. If
anyone would like copies, let me know.

I have also received some deeds, of land in Sumter County, Alabama, of James
S. Poythress and Martha Raiford Poythress, if anyone wants a copy of them.
Maynard, has kindly transcribed them and the transcriptions will be put on
the site, at some point.

Take care,
Elaine




01/28/2003 1:55:52
Great site for Richmond, VA's Hollywood CemeteryBarbara P. NealThanks to Julian Bell, I learned of this great historical site, giving
beautiful photos & neat recaps about a number of historically-famous
people buried at Hollywood Cemetery, a lovely old cemetery which was
designed in 1847 & which is located on the James River in Richmond, VA.
The site has directions, a virtual tour, & other info about the
Cemetery, too.

(Julian advised that there are a number of his ancestors buried there; I
don't know whether any Poythress burials are there.)

> http://www.hollywoodcemetery.org/history.html
>		01/28/2003 3:33:33
Re: Hollywood CemeteryIt IS a wonderous place! Well worth taking the time to visit it if you're in
the Richmond vicinity. Not the best part of town, but still worth it. Take a
camera!



01/28/2003 9:22:12
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Florida's Historial Treasures Are At Risk, as proposed by Gov. Jeb Bush.

Are you presently researching records or perhaps will at any time in the
future in the Florida State Archives in Tallahassee?? If so, you better
hurry & finish.

The following article was written by Pam Cooper, President of the
Florida State Genealogical Society. It concerns Florida's current
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Re: Poythresses in KYBarbara P. NealDebbie, thank you SO much for all this info. Good to know more about
these early Kentucky Poythress items.
BPN

Debbie Poythress-Concepcion wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> The following is information that I found on Francis & William Poythress
> in KY while researching maternal lines. Thought you all would find this
> as interesting as I did.
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
> From: Old Kentucky Entries & Deeds (Earliest Land entries, Military
> Warrants, Deeds & Wills) Williard Rouse Jillson, Sc.D. 1926
> (929.3K31j)
>
> p. 353
> Military Warrants (1782 - 1793)
>
> Name Acres Warrant Service Date
> Paythress, Francis 400 4256 During War Sergeant VA Line 5 Feb
> 1787
>
> Paythress, William 4,000 1878 3 years Capt. VA Line 8 Nov 1783
>
>
> p. 521
>
> Court of Appeals Deeds - Wills (1769 - 1850)
>
> Testator Residence Date BK. Pg. Notes
> Poythress, Wm. Pr. George 2 Sept 1794 V 416 Will
>
>
> From: The Kentucky Gazette (1787 - 1800)
> (929.3K31gr V.1) Karen Mauer Green 1983
>
> Pg. 108
> Vol. VIII, NO VIII. 8 Nov 1794
>
> Francis Poythress, superintendent, & John Metcalf, teacher,
> 17 Nov 1794, have opened a school in the house called "Bethel", on the
> Kentucky River near Curd's Ferry in Fayette Co (KY).
>
> p. 246
> Vol. XIII, NO 680, 3 Oct 1799
>
> A list of letters at the Post office in Lexington:
> Frances Poytress is listed.
>
> p. 262
> Vol. XIII, NO 719, 3 July 1800
>
> A list of letters at the Post office in Lexington:
> Francis Poytress or John Kobler in care of the Methodists
>
>
> From: The Kentucky Gazette (1801-1820)
> (929.3K31gr V.2) Karen Mauer Green 1985
>
> p. 282
> Vol. V. # 14, Friday, 2 Apr 819, Vol. 33
>
> N. Prentiss, jailor of Fayette Co, regarding a runaway slave named
> Stepney who was in jail. He formerly belonged to Elijah Morton, then to
> Mr. Poydrass (living at Point Cupee) & then to Mr. Lewis (a Frenchman
> living 200 miles below Natchez).
>
>
>
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Poythresses in KYDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionHello Everyone,
The following is information that I found on Francis & William Poythress in
KY while researching maternal lines. Thought you all would find this as
interesting as I did.

Debbie



From: Old Kentucky Entries & Deeds (Earliest Land entries, Military
Warrants, Deeds & Wills) Williard Rouse Jillson, Sc.D. 1926
(929.3K31j)

p. 353
Military Warrants (1782 - 1793)

Name Acres Warrant Service Date
Paythress, Francis 400 4256 During War Sergeant VA Line 5 Feb 1787

Paythress, William 4,000 1878 3 years Capt. VA Line 8 Nov 1783


p. 521

Court of Appeals Deeds - Wills (1769 - 1850)

Testator Residence Date BK. Pg. Notes
Poythress, Wm. Pr. George 2 Sept 1794 V 416 Will


From: The Kentucky Gazette (1787 - 1800)
(929.3K31gr V.1) Karen Mauer Green 1983

Pg. 108
Vol. VIII, NO VIII. 8 Nov 1794

Francis Poythress, superintendent, & John Metcalf, teacher,
17 Nov 1794, have opened a school in the house called "Bethel", on the
Kentucky River near Curd's Ferry in Fayette Co (KY).

p. 246
Vol. XIII, NO 680, 3 Oct 1799

A list of letters at the Post office in Lexington:
Frances Poytress is listed.

p. 262
Vol. XIII, NO 719, 3 July 1800

A list of letters at the Post office in Lexington:
Francis Poytress or John Kobler in care of the Methodists


From: The Kentucky Gazette (1801-1820)
(929.3K31gr V.2) Karen Mauer Green 1985

p. 282
Vol. V. # 14, Friday, 2 Apr 819, Vol. 33

N. Prentiss, jailor of Fayette Co, regarding a runaway slave named Stepney
who was in jail. He formerly belonged to Elijah Morton, then to Mr. Poydrass
(living at Point Cupee) & then to Mr. Lewis (a Frenchman living 200 miles
below Natchez).




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02/19/2003 5:06:01
Warning re new worm/virusBarbara P. NealThis is a copy of a warning I received from a computer users group I
belong to. Be sure to update your anti-virus software.
Barbara
= = = = =
RUG of Arlington wrote:
> A new worm W32.HLLW.Lovgate.C@mm.is making the rounds, and the RUG is
taking this opportunity to warn its members about it. Details on this
worm (virus) can be found at:
>
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.hllw.lovgate.c@mm.html
>
> If you have trouble getting to that page with the long URL above, go
to any internet search engine and search on "lovgate".
>
> Be sure to update your anti-virus definitions. Watch for any of the
following types of messages and delete them and their attachments if you
receive one.
>
> Subject: Documents
> Attachment: Docs.exe
> Message:: Send me your comments...
>
> or:
>
> Subject: Roms
> Attachment: Roms.exe
> Message:: Test this ROM! IT ROCKS!.
>
> or:
>
> Subject: Pr0n!
> Attachment: Sex.exe
> Message:: Adult content!!! Use with parental advisory.
>
> or:
>
> Subject: Evaluation copy
> Attachment: Setup.exe
> Message:: Test it 30 days for free.
>
> or:
>
> Subject: Help
> Attachment: Source.exe
> Message:: I'm going crazy... please try to find the bug!
>
> or:
>
> Subject: Beta
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> Attachment: Pack.exe
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>		02/27/2003 4:00:14
Rebecca PoythressJohn M PoythressBruce, here are a couple of snippets that showed up, both from primary sources:

1) Augusta, GA Chronicle 3 March 1819, mail waiting at post office at Waynesboro for: Rebecca Poythress (Waynesboro is about 40 or so miles south of Columbia county. This would at the least make her a candidate to be the daughter of any of several potential fathers in Burke and Screven County. Unfortunately, by the time we get censuses that reveal any information of substance, Rebecca and husband have moved to far west Georgia and maybe even on to Alabama.

2) Wade Prior m. Rebecca Poythress, Columbia County, 4 March 1829. This gives us the "where" if nothing else.

If Rebecca had first child in 1833 in Harris County, she and Wade were obviously headed west. Harris County is about as far as you can get from Columbia County "east to west" in Georgia. And without attempting to make any speculation, Pike County, AL is only about 75 mi. or so SW of Harris Co., GA so that's at least a later possibility.

Your candidates for father of Rebecca that I would rule out are:

1) Joseph and Mary Poythress of Troup County, GA (ignoring the proximity to Harris County). The children of Joseph and Mary are well documented and Rebecca is not among them. With parents Mary & Joseph marrying in 1814, you correctly observed that she is a little late to be the daughter of this couple.

2) Francis Poythress (the preacher) who died at the home of his sister in Jessamine County, KY; even though her married name was Susanna Prior, I would discount heavily. Susanna (b. 1747) would have been a very old woman at the time Rebecca Pryor was born. As much of this "family unit" as we have identified is Francis (died a batchelor) and two sisters Rebecca Pryor and Elizabeth Peniston.....all of whom came to KY and look for all the world to have stayed there. Despite not getting anywhere with their origin (other than Virginia), I'm reasonably confident they stayed in KY.

Francis Poythress in Greene County, GA shows up in the tax digest of 1793. I wouldn't rule him out as a candidate to be Rebecca's father simply because we know so little about the Greene County family. And Greene County is reasonably close to
Columbia County, maybe 75 mi. or so. Those Greene County records are just about non-existent.

Not much but maybe it will rule out a couple of candidates for you.

Maynard		02/27/2003 9:58:34
AHA!John M PoythressFor those of us who have Windows XP and those of us who will ultimately get XP (which is most of us) below is the fix for a problem which, unattended to, will nag you forever.

Hope it helps.

Maynard

Q: Ever since upgrading to Windows XP, I've been bombarded by a new kind of spam, or pop-up ad. It takes the form of a gray window on my screen with some obnoxious ad in it and the words "Messenger Service" on top. This happens even when my Web browser isn't running, which I find amazing. I assume it is coming through the Windows Messenger service, but I don't use that either. How are they placing these ads on my PC, and how can I stop it?

A: The pathetic "business people" who deal in unwanted, unsolicited digital ads have found a new method for intruding on our privacy. But there is a solution.

These "Messenger Service" ads are different technically from pop-up ads that come through your Web browser, or e-mail spam that comes through an e-mail program. And, despite their name and appearance, they actually aren't delivered by an instant messenger service like Windows Messenger, or AOL Instant Messenger.

Instead, the creeps who send these ads have discovered how to misuse an obscure feature built into Windows that was intended to allow network administrators in companies to send short messages to computers on their networks, to convey warnings or other vital information. These messages can be received by any Windows PC running Windows NT, Windows 2000 or Windows XP, if it is connected to the Internet.

Normal antispam programs and pop-up ad blockers don't defeat these new ads. In many cases, a good firewall program, like ZoneAlarm, can block them. But I have seen cases where they even get through a firewall.

I recommend a free program called MessageSubtract, from InterMute, the company that also makes other ad-blocking and spam-blocking software. I have tested MessageSubtract and it seems to work. You can download it at www.messagesubtract.com2. That Web site also has a detailed explanation of the problem, and instructions for how you can test your vulnerability to these, and see if MessageSubtract is working.		03/06/2003 5:34:00
Dr. Lane, ET ALJohn M PoythressFrom Georgia Genealogical Society Quarterly, Spring 2003, received today, Robert Davis' Q&A column:

Q= Where are the extensive research papers of Francis Cory Lane and Mrs. Julian Lane?
A= Ken Thomas and Linda Aaron arranged for these files to be turned over to the Hargrett Rare Books and Manuscripts Library,
University of Georgia Libraries, Athens, Georgia.

Carole, I'm almost positive that Mrs. Julian Lane is the mother of Dr. Curtis Lane. If you are still in Sylvania and have a couple of days to spare this might be worth the effort, especially since a trip from Ft. Worth might be your future alternative.

I have corresponded with the Hargrett Library people in the past and they are most helpful. So, if you are still inclined to get at those Lane papers, you may want to inquire as to their availability to the general public. Other than having a wife as an alum years ago, I don't have a nickle's worth of clout at UGA and wouldn't know where to suggest you start other than a phone call. Maybe someone on the board would know. We have an Elizabeth Poythress b. VA and "the Orphans of Thomas Poythress" in a Georgia Land Lottery who back into this crowd at some point in Burke or Screven Counties, GA and I would certainly like to develop that connection if you happen to go up there.

Maynard		03/15/2003 6:41:31
SC/Thomas Poythress, etc.John M PoythressRevised SC message. It contained a "graphic" of the index card which Rootsweb (or somebody) didn't like so the format of the original was junked up. I have retyped the information that was on the graphic and am resending:


From Spring 2003 issue of Georgia Genealogical Society Quarterly, p. 59, Robert Davis' Q&A column:

Q= I have heard that those wonderful indexes to early South Carolina records have been placed on the internet.
A= Yes, at the South Carolina Department of Archives and History's site:
www.state.sc.us/scdah/homepage.htm

My comments: yes, indeed there are many, many indexes published and if one is at the SC Archives they would be a wonderful
aide. However, in the main this material is only "indexes" to documents, exceptionally well organized and seemingly very
complete (my first thought is how did these survive since Sherman burned Columbia, the state capital. I then realized that these records were likely kept at individual courthouses and not all would have been burned....then they were later assembled
(or copied) for the state archives at the capitol. And specifically, Charleston, the locus of these records, was spared being burned although it did suffer heavy shelling from Union ships just outside the Charleston harbor.

There are a few actual records that are posted. They can be found by finding your way to "Index" and then to "Genealogy". I did so with limited success with one hit on a Thomas Poythress with whom we were LIKELY already familiar via one record courtesy of Elaine's census work, to wit:

Found something that might concern you, so decided to give you a preview of this one, since it will take a long while to get this project finished.
1830 Charleston, SC
Thomas Poythress, 1 male 40-50, 2 females 10-14, one female 15-19, 1 female 40-49,
104 slaves, and thats not a typo.
Could this possibly be Thomas Jr. who left Burke Co, GA after 1807 or so?
Elaine

In this record posted at the SC Archives site:

"Series # S213190
Volume 0039
Page 00204
Item 02
Date 1820/04/29
Description: Cason, James, plat for 395 acres in Charleston District, surveyed by Michael Byrne for Thomas Poythress on
January 14, 1819
Location: Charleston District
Type: Plat"

Given the dates and place, I would speculate that the two above are the same individual.



He is, of course, not Sheriff Thomas Poythress of Burke County, GA who died in 1800. We are "missing" a son of this Thomas who only shows only once as Thomas Poythress, Jr. on a petition signing simultaneously with his father in Burke County, GA in the mid-1790's.



I make it possible but improbable that the SC Thomas Poythress is Thomas Poythress, Jr. of Burke County, GA using the 104 slaves as a key to "wealth." Only Sheriff Thomas' son George (who married money) do we know to have had much wealth and/or appetite for accumulating slaves.. However, if the weath issue could be put away, the time frame is a dead ringer for this SC man to be Thomas Poythress, Jr., especially since Thomas Poythress, Jr. disappears from Burke County records with no other mention after the signing of the petition. Who knows, he could have married or made money also.



Maynard		03/16/2003 5:19:54
Poythress, GeorgeJohn M PoythressLaurens County, GA, Deeds of Trust or Gift, Volume B, (1818-1828)

pg. 32

Georgia )
Chatham County )

I, Hugh McCall of the county and state aforesaid do constitute and appoint George Poythress of the county of Laurens and State aforesaid my lawful agent and attorney to attend to the sheriff's sale in and for the county last aforesaid & to the collection of any money earned by virtue of state sale out of the property of Thomas McCall of Laurens County....
11 Sep 1822
Arran Byrd Hugh McCall
John Irwing


(This is our well known one-time sheriff of Burke County George Poythress, son of (also sheriff) Thomas Poythress. George owned extensive property in the region and it appears spent enough time at various court houses to be used by some people as a quasi-attorney)		03/19/2003 6:08:14
Addison Mandell - 1830 CensusHope this finds all doing well.

I ran across this while checking census images, in Florida. I was looking for
George Poythress (son of Thomas and Martha {Patsy} Poythress of Brunswick, VA
and then Screven Co., GA.). George's Will, was from Jackson Co., FL and he
died in the early 1830's, so I was checking 1830, to see if he showed up on
the census. He did not, but I found:

Jackson County, Florida, page 169
Mandell, Addison, 1 M under 5, 1 M 30-39, 1 F 15-19
2 M slaves under 10, 3 M slaves 10-23, 4 M slaves 24-35, 5 M slaves 36-54
5 F slaves under 10, 2 F slaves 10-23, 4 F slaves 36-54.

Mary E. Poythress, daughter of above George Poythress, married an Addison
Mandell. Most likely one and the same. They are in the county in Florida,
where the Will was recorded and Addison Mandell, isn't what I would call, an
overly common name. I guess I didn't realize they left Georgia. They did not
show up in the 1840 Jackson Co., FL census.

Take care,
Elaine		03/22/2003 6:08:59
Addison MandellJohn M PoythressElaine and Barbara, looks like John C. Poythress (George's son) wasn't especially smitten with 'ol Addison. Where did a lot of George's pile of money go? Into CSA bonds no doubt bought at par in 1861 and 1862, bad call.

Poythress, John Carter, Will of 25 July 1862



Burke County Will Book A, 1853-1870, pgs. 207-209

GDAH Drawer 115/Roll 21, Transcription by John M. Poythress



State of Georgia


I, John C. Poythress, of the county of Burke and said State being of sound and disposing mind and memory do make ordain and establish this to be my last will and testament hereby revoking all others made by me.



Item 1. I desire my body to be buried in a decent and proper manner suitable to my administrators, my soul I trust will return to God who gave it.



Item 2. I desire all my just debts to be paid as early as practicable after my death.



Item 3. I bequeath to my niece Marian B. McIntosh the daughter of William S. C. Morris of the county of Burke all my Confederate Bonds such as I now have and such as I may hereafter acquire.



Item 4. The rest and residue of my estate both real and personal I devise and bequeath unto my Executors and Trustees hereinafter named in trust to be kept together to manage for the use and behoof of my niece Mary E. Mandell and her daughter Ann Eliza R. Mandell to be maintained separate, and exempt from the control, management, and direction or use in any way whatever of her husband George A. Mandell. And to be so held until the marriage either of said Mary E. or said Ann E. R. (should said Mary E. ever again marry).



Item 5. In the event of the marriage of either then I direct an equal division to be made between them share and share alike.



Item 6. The share of said Ann E. R. Mandell to be hers forever in fee simple.



Item 7. The share of said Mary E. to be hers for and during her natural life only unless she should again marry some other person than said George A. In the event of her again so marrying then said share to be hers in fee simple forever. But should she not again marry then at her death I devise and bequeath her said share to Ann E. R. in fee simple forever.



Item 8. I devise and direct that such part of my estate be at my death jointly at work and use upon the plantation remain his on station Augusta and Savannah Rail Road in said Burke County with property belonging to William S. C. Morris be continued and in the same way and under the same management which with between him and myself so long as he may prefer, it being part of the legacy to my said nieces Mary E. and Ann E. R.



Item 9. I do hereby constitute and appoint William S. C. Morris, James H. Regals and Edward A. Carter, Jr. of said county of Burke, Executors and trustees of my last will and testament.



John C. Poythress /ls/

July 25, 1862



As witnesses signed, published and declared by testator to be his last will and testament in presence of us who attested and subscribed the same at his request in his presence and in the presence of each other.



Eliza Carruthers

Victoria Varner

Charlotte Carter

John S. Shoemake





Personally appeared in open court this day James H. Regals, one of the executors of the last will and testament of John C. Poythress, late of said county deceased and also John S. Shoemake one of the witnesses of said will which said (witness being sworn) that he saw said John C. Poythress sign, seal and publish and declare the said testimonial as his last will and testament voluntarily and without compulsion, that he was of sound mind and reasoning and said testator signed thereupon in the presence of the other witnesses Victoria Varner, Charlotte Carter and Elizabeth Carruthers..that the witnesses signed the same as such in the presence of said testator and each other.

John S. Shoemake

Signed to & Subscribed

This 6 October 1862

Jas. A. Shoemake, CBC





This last will and testament of John C. Poythress late of Burke County having been presented by James H. Regals one of the executors therein and duely proven in common form by the testimony of John S. Shoemake one of the subscribing witnesses thereto on motion of said executor James H. Regals it is ordered that said will be admitted to access and that letters testamentary do issue to the therein named except Edward A. Carter & to him upon his arrival at age (21 years) upon his taking the oath as Executor unencumbered by law. And it is further ordered that upon such letters testamentary having been issued a warrant of appraisement be issued to Thomas H. Blount, Edward J. Carter, John I. Jones, Edward Beque and Elisha Watkins authorizing them or a majority of them to appraise the estate of said deceased in terms of the law.



Historical notes & comments (to the best of the transcriber's knowledge)


· Burke County Will Book A, 1853-1870 survived one of the several fires at the Burke County Courthouse only because a clerk had taken the book home to do some work on it.





I have all this stuff scrambled in my headbone and will work it out eventually.



Maynard		03/24/2003 4:26:16
Re: Addison Mandell - 1830 CensusMaynard, would you set me straight on the Mandells. Is the Mary E. Mandell
mentioned in this will, the wife of George A. Mandell (? son of Addison and
Mary E. Poythress Mandell). I do not think it ever clicked before. I thought
this Mary E. Mandell, mentioned in the below will, was Mary E. Poythress
Mandell, daughter of George Poythress and wife of Addison Mandell. Sounds
like John C. Poythress wasn't fond of his nephew George A. either, if that is
the case, as George A. is not mentioned in the will, and George A.'s wife and
daughter are mentioned. I guess I just find that odd because, looking over
the census info I have been putting together for the Census Project, shows
George A. Mandell, living in the HH of John C. Poythress in 1850.

I most likely have these people all mixed up and the relations turned around.
Could be he got upset with George A. after the 1850 census.

OK Maynard, set me straight on these folks.
Take Care,
Elaine





Elaine and Barbara, looks like John C. Poythress (George's son) wasn't
especially smitten with 'ol Addison.  Where did a lot of George's pile of
money go?  Into CSA bonds no doubt bought at par in 1861 and 1862, bad call.

Poythress, John Carter, Will of 25 July 1862



Burke County Will Book A, 1853-1870, pgs. 207-209

GDAH  Drawer 115/Roll 21, Transcription by John M. Poythress



State of Georgia


I, John C. Poythress, of the county of Burke and said State being of sound
and disposing mind and memory do make ordain and establish this to be my last
will and testament hereby revoking all others made by me.



Item 1. I desire my body to be buried in a decent and proper manner suitable
to my administrators, my soul I trust will return to God who gave it.



Item 2. I desire all my just debts to be paid as early as practicable after
my death.



Item 3. I bequeath to my niece Marian B. McIntosh the daughter of William S.
C. Morris of the county of Burke all my Confederate Bonds such as I now have
and such as I may hereafter acquire.



Item 4. The rest and residue of my estate both real and personal I devise and
bequeath unto my Executors and Trustees hereinafter named in trust to be kept
together to manage for the use and behoof of my niece Mary E. Mandell and her
daughter Ann Eliza R. Mandell to be maintained separate, and exempt from the
control, management, and direction or use in any way whatever of her husband
George A. Mandell.  And to be so held until the marriage either of said Mary
E. or said Ann E. R. (should said Mary E. ever again marry).



Item 5. In the event of the marriage of either then I direct an equal
division to be made between them share and share alike.



Item 6. The share of said Ann E. R. Mandell to be hers forever in fee simple.



Item 7. The share of said Mary E. to be hers for and during her natural life
only unless she should again marry some other person than said George A.  In
the event of her again so marrying then said share to be hers in fee simple
forever.  But should she not again marry then at her death I devise and
bequeath her said share to Ann E. R. in fee simple forever.



Item 8. I devise and direct that such part of my estate be at my death
jointly at work and use upon the plantation remain his on station Augusta and
Savannah Rail Road in said Burke County with property belonging to William S.
C. Morris be continued and in the same way and under the same management
which with between him and myself so long as he may prefer, it being part of
the legacy to my said nieces Mary E. and Ann E. R.




Item 9. I do hereby constitute and appoint William S. C. Morris, James H.
Regals and Edward A. Carter, Jr. of said county of Burke, Executors and
trustees of my last will and testament.



                                                          John C. Poythress  
/ls/

July 25, 1862



As witnesses signed, published and declared by testator to be his last will
and testament in presence of us who attested and subscribed the same at his
request in his presence and in the presence of each other.



Eliza Carruthers

Victoria Varner

Charlotte Carter

John S. Shoemake





Personally appeared in open court this day James H. Regals, one of the
executors of the last will and testament of John C. Poythress, late of said
county deceased and also John S. Shoemake one of the witnesses of said will
which said (witness being sworn) that he saw said John C. Poythress sign,
seal and publish and declare the said testimonial as his last will and
testament voluntarily and without compulsion, that he was of sound mind and
reasoning and said testator signed thereupon in the presence of the other
witnesses Victoria Varner, Charlotte Carter and Elizabeth Carruthers..that
the witnesses signed the same as such in the presence of said testator and
each other.

                                                                   John S.
Shoemake

Signed to & Subscribed

This 6 October 1862

Jas. A. Shoemake, CBC





This last will and testament of John C. Poythress late of Burke County having
been presented by James H. Regals one of the executors therein and duely
proven in common form by the testimony of John S. Shoemake one of the
subscribing witnesses thereto on motion of said executor James H. Regals it
is ordered that said will be admitted to access and that letters testamentary
do issue to the therein named except Edward A. Carter & to him upon his
arrival at age (21 years) upon his taking the oath as Executor unencumbered
by law.  And it is further ordered that upon such letters testamentary having
been issued a warrant of appraisement be issued to Thomas H. Blount, Edward
J. Carter, John I. Jones, Edward Beque and Elisha Watkins authorizing them or
a majority of them to appraise the estate of said deceased in terms of the
law.



Historical notes & comments (to the best of the transcriber's knowledge)


· Burke County Will Book A, 1853-1870 survived one of the several fires at
the Burke County Courthouse only because a clerk had taken the book home to
do some work on it.





I have all this stuff scrambled in my headbone and will work it out
eventually.



Maynard		03/24/2003 5:08:35
Re: Addison Mandell - 1830 CensusBarbara P. NealThanks so much, Elaine, for this info. I don't recall being aware of
them being anywhere other than GA either. Good catch.
BPN

Denver145@aol.com wrote:

> Jackson County, Florida, page 169
> Mandell, Addison, 1 M under 5, 1 M 30-39, 1 F 15-19
> 2 M slaves under 10, 3 M slaves 10-23, 4 M slaves 24-35, 5 M slaves 36-54
> 5 F slaves under 10, 2 F slaves 10-23, 4 F slaves 36-54.
>
> Mary E. Poythress, daughter of above George Poythress, married an
Addison
> Mandell. Most likely one and the same. They are in the county in
Florida,
> where the Will was recorded and Addison Mandell, isn't what I would
call, an
> overly common name. I guess I didn't realize they left Georgia. They
did not
> show up in the 1840 Jackson Co., FL census.		03/24/2003 11:14:20
Kirby Poythress/PorteusHello to all. Hope all are well.

I found this marriage record on Ancestry. com. Could this be the
Revolutionary War Soldier, mentioned on the List, from time to time?

Virginia Marriages to 1800

Virginia
Southampton County

Kirby Porteus to Mary Windham - 18 Sept. 1783

Take care,
Elaine		04/03/2003 5:26:23
Chancery Court Southampton Co, VA 1765-001, children of John Portis /Poythress /Porteus(Third try while travelling; sorry for the strange characters in the earlier version; hopefully this time it is going as pure text and won't have strange characters. BPN)

Note: the eldest son mentioned in the following record, Kirby Portis, was under the age of 21 when this suit was filed, apparently in 1764. He could well be the same man whose name we have seen in some listings of those who served in the Revolutionary War, and could well be the same man who Elaine spotted last night in a marriage record on Ancestry. com:

> Virginia Marriages to 1800
> Southampton County, Virginia
> Kirby Porteus to Mary Windham - 18 Sept. 1783

CHANCERY COURT RECORD, SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, VIRGINIA:
Children of John Portis: Kirby Portis, Judith Portis, William Portis ��� Southampton Co, VA Chancery Ct Record 1765-001

Transcribed below are the 3 documents contained in record #1765-001, by Barbara Poythress Neal, who invites any clarification of the reading of the handwriting from anyone else who has occasion to examine this record. All 3 documents are completely handwritten. Spelling and punctuation are as they appear in the original documents. A slash-mark ���/��� is used to indicate the end of each line of the original document. Where a word was divided by the end of the line, for clarification I will put the entire word next, in square brackets. [My other clarifying transcription notes also appear in square brackets like these.]

[Document #1]
To the worshipful court of Southampton sitting in chancery /
Humbly complaining /
Sheweth unto your worships your orators Judith Portis and William / Portis infants under the age of 21 years by R Kirby - [blank] their next friend that / your orators father John Portis was in his lifetime and at the time / of his death seised and possessed of one Negro slave named Dinah / and diverse other goods and chattels to the amount of [blank] / and being so possessed departed this life intestate leaving one Kirby / Portis his eldest son and heir at law and your orators his children / that by the laws of this colony your orators are intituled [entitled] [lined out here: ���to���] each / of them to one third part of the value of the said slave that your orators have / applied for the same to the said Kirby Portis but he being an infant / of tender years cannot comply with the same without the decree of / this worshipful court in the premises to the end therefore that / the said Kirby Portis by his guardian may [inserted here, above the line, is ���on his corporal!
oath���] such true and / perfect answer make to all and singular the obligations afsd [aforesaid] / as fully and particularly as if the same were herein again / repeated and interrogated and that your worships will / decree and order that the [lined out here: ���slave afsd may be sold for the���] / said Kirby Portis do pray unto your orators their distributive / part or share of the said Slave or that the same may be sold / for the most that may be had for the same and the money / arising by the sale thereof may be distributed between / [page 2:] your orators and the said Kirby and that your worships will make such / further or other decree as shall be agreeable to equity & good conscious /
may it please &c /
The Answer of Kirby Portis son and heir at law of John Portis dec���d being an / infant under the age of 21 years by Rich���d [lined out here: ���Kirby��� and inserted above it is: ���Kello���] his guardian to the bill of complt / exhibited agst him by Judith Portis and William Portis complainants. / This deft saving and reserving to himself all advantages of exception &c for / answer Now unto saith that true it is that the said John Portis died possessed / of the slave in the bill mentioned that this deft is not able to pay and / advance the complainants distributive part or share of the value of the said / slave without making sale thereof which cannot do without the decree of / this court and being and [sic] infant of tender years prays that what right he hath / therein may be saved to him by name thereof without that &c /

[Document #1���s outside label, on back of page 2]
Portis /
vs /
Portis /
[to the right of above bracketed info appears: ���Bill & answr���]
April 1764 /
Devise for plt /
Sold the slave [illegible] /
July 1765 /
[illegible]

[Document #2]
George the third by the grace of god of great Britain France / and Ireland
King defender of the faith &c To the Sherif of / Southampton County greeting we command you that you~ / summon Kirby Portis ~~ / to appear before our Justices of our said County Court in Chancery / at the courthouse of the said county on the second Thursday / in June next to answer a bill in Chancery exhibited agst him / by Judeth Portis & William Portis~~~

And this he shall in no wise omit under the penalty of ��100 / and have then there this writ witness R Kello Att [Attorney] of our sd / court at the courthouse the sixteenth day of May in / the third year of our reign. /
R. Kello C /

[Document #2���s outside label, on back of document]
D. Portis /
vs /
Portis /
[to the right of above bracketed info appears: ���Spa in chan��� for Subpoena in chancery] /
June 1763 /
Cont���d /
Sept 1763 /
Cont /
Jany /
Court /
[perpendicular to the above labelling, appears:]
Executed on Rich���d. Kirby Guardian /
to Kirby Portis /
Peter Butto She���f [signature] /

[Document #3. The upper right corner of this small document is torn off.]
In Obedience to an Order of Southampton /
court in chancery I have sold the slave in the [missing word] / mentioned for fifty one pounds four shillings being / the most that could be had for the same.- /
R. Kello [signature] /

[Document #3���s outside label, on back of document]
Portis /
vs /
Portis /
[to the right of above bracketed info appears: ���Def���]
[perpendicular to the above label, appear several smudged words, which may be: ���The Earlier will���]		04/04/2003 1:16:43
Chancery Court Southampton Co, VA, 1765-001, children of John Portis /Poythress /Porteus(Another try while travelling; sorry for the strange characters in the earlier version; hopefully this time it is going as pure text and won't have strange characters. If this doesn't work, I'll wait to re-send when I get home next week. BPN)

Note: the eldest son mentioned in the following record, Kirby Portis, was under the age of 21 when this suit was filed, apparently in 1764. He could well be the same man whose name we have seen in some listings of those who served in the Revolutionary War, and could well be the same man who Elaine spotted last night in a marriage record on Ancestry. com:


> Virginia Marriages to 1800
> Southampton County, Virginia
> Kirby Porteus to Mary Windham - 18 Sept. 1783


CHANCERY COURT RECORD, SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, VIRGINIA:
Children of John Portis: Kirby Portis, Judith Portis, William Portis ��� Southampton Co, VA Chancery Ct Record 1765-001

Transcribed below are the 3 documents contained in record #1765-001, by Barbara Poythress Neal, who invites any clarification of the reading of the handwriting from anyone else who has occasion to examine this record. All 3 documents are completely handwritten. Spelling and punctuation are as they appear in the original documents. A slash-mark ���/��� is used to indicate the end of each line of the original document. Where a word was divided by the end of the line, for clarification I will put the entire word next, in square brackets. [My other clarifying transcription notes also appear in square brackets like these.]

[Document #1]
To the worshipful court of Southampton sitting in chancery /
Humbly complaining /
Sheweth unto your worships your orators Judith Portis and William / Portis infants under the age of 21 years by R Kirby - [blank] their next friend that / your orators father John Portis was in his lifetime and at the time / of his death seised and possessed of one Negro slave named Dinah / and diverse other goods and chattels to the amount of [blank] / and being so possessed departed this life intestate leaving one Kirby / Portis his eldest son and heir at law and your orators his children / that by the laws of this colony your orators are intituled [entitled] [lined out here: ���to���] each / of them to one third part of the value of the said slave that your orators have / applied for the same to the said Kirby Portis but he being an infant / of tender years cannot comply with the same without the decree of / this worshipful court in the premises to the end therefore that / the said Kirby Portis by his guardian may [inserted here, above the line, is ���on his corporal!
oath���] such true and / perfect answer make to all and singular the obligations afsd [aforesaid] / as fully and particularly as if the same were herein again / repeated and interrogated and that your worships will / decree and order that the [lined out here: ���slave afsd may be sold for the���] / said Kirby Portis do pray unto your orators their distributive / part or share of the said Slave or that the same may be sold / for the most that may be had for the same and the money / arising by the sale thereof may be distributed between / [page 2:] your orators and the said Kirby and that your worships will make such / further or other decree as shall be agreeable to equity & good conscious /
may it please &c /
The Answer of Kirby Portis son and heir at law of John Portis dec���d being an / infant under the age of 21 years by Rich���d [lined out here: ���Kirby��� and inserted above it is: ���Kello���] his guardian to the bill of complt / exhibited agst him by Judith Portis and William Portis complainants. / This deft saving and reserving to himself all advantages of exception &c for / answer Now unto saith that true it is that the said John Portis died possessed / of the slave in the bill mentioned that this deft is not able to pay and / advance the complainants distributive part or share of the value of the said / slave without making sale thereof which cannot do without the decree of / this court and being and [sic] infant of tender years prays that what right he hath / therein may be saved to him by name thereof without that &c /

[Document #1���s outside label, on back of page 2]
Portis /
vs /
Portis /
[to the right of above bracketed info appears: ���Bill & answr���]
April 1764 /
Devise for plt /
Sold the slave [illegible] /
July 1765 /
[illegible]

[Document #2]
George the third by the grace of god of great Britain France / and Ireland
King defender of the faith &c To the Sherif of / Southampton County greeting we command you that you~ / summon Kirby Portis ~~ / to appear before our Justices of our said County Court in Chancery / at the courthouse of the said county on the second Thursday / in June next to answer a bill in Chancery exhibited agst him / by Judeth Portis & William Portis~~~

And this he shall in no wise omit under the penalty of ��100 / and have then there this writ witness R Kello Att [Attorney] of our sd / court at the courthouse the sixteenth day of May in / the third year of our reign. /
R. Kello C /

[Document #2���s outside label, on back of document]
D. Portis /
vs /
Portis /
[to the right of above bracketed info appears: ���Spa in chan��� for Subpoena in chancery] /
June 1763 /
Cont���d /
Sept 1763 /
Cont /
Jany /
Court /
[perpendicular to the above labelling, appears:]
Executed on Rich���d. Kirby Guardian /
to Kirby Portis /
Peter Butto She���f [signature] /

[Document #3. The upper right corner of this small document is torn off.]
In Obedience to an Order of Southampton /
court in chancery I have sold the slave in the [missing word] / mentioned for fifty one pounds four shillings being / the most that could be had for the same.- /
R. Kello [signature] /

[Document #3���s outside label, on back of document]
Portis /
vs /
Portis /
[to the right of above bracketed info appears: ���Def���]
[perpendicular to the above label, appear several smudged words, which may be: ���The Earlier will���]		04/04/2003 1:30:21
Kirby Poythress/ Porteus /PortisGreat find, Elaine, re this man. Coincidentally I just finished a transcription of a Chancery Court record in the same county that would seem to be him, too. See my posting today captioned "Chancery Ct Southampton Co, VA 1765-001, children of John Portis /Poythress /Porteus"

Keep up your great work; we all appreciate it.
Barbara (BPN)

Denver145@aol.com wrote:
> Hello to all. Hope all are well.
>
> I found this marriage record on Ancestry. com. Could this be the Revolutionary War Soldier, mentioned on the List, from time to time?
>
> Virginia Marriages to 1800
>
> Virginia
> Southampton County
>
> Kirby Porteus to Mary Windham - 18 Sept. 1783
>
> Take care,
> Elaine		04/04/2003 1:31:54
Chancery Ct Southampton Co, VA 1765-001, children of John Portis /Poythress /PorteusNote: the eldest son mentioned in the following record, Kirby Portis, was under the age of 21 when this suit was filed, apparently in 1764. He could well be the same man whose name we have seen in some listings of those who served in the Revolutionary War, and could well be the same man who Elaine spotted last night in a marriage record on Ancestry. com:
> Virginia Marriages to 1800
> Southampton County, Virginia
> Kirby Porteus to Mary Windham - 18 Sept. 1783


CHANCERY COURT RECORD, SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, VIRGINIA:
Children of John Portis: Kirby Portis, Judith Portis, William Portis ��� Southampton Co, VA Chancery Ct Record 1765-001

Transcribed below are the 3 documents contained in record #1765-001, by Barbara Poythress Neal, who invites any clarification of the reading of the handwriting from anyone else who has occasion to examine this record. All 3 documents are completely handwritten. Spelling and punctuation are as they appear in the original documents. A slash-mark ���/��� is used to indicate the end of each line of the original document. Where a word was divided by the end of the line, for clarification I will put the entire word next, in square brackets. [My other clarifying transcription notes also appear in square brackets like these.]

[Document #1]
To the worshipful court of Southampton sitting in chancery /
Humbly complaining /
Sheweth unto your worships your orators Judith Portis and William / Portis infants under the age of 21 years by R Kirby - [blank] their next friend that / your orators father John Portis was in his lifetime and at the time / of his death seised and possessed of one Negro slave named Dinah / and diverse other goods and chattels to the amount of [blank] / and being so possessed departed this life intestate leaving one Kirby / Portis his eldest son and heir at law and your orators his children / that by the laws of this colony your orators are intituled [entitled] [lined out here: ���to���] each / of them to one third part of the value of the said slave that your orators have / applied for the same to the said Kirby Portis but he being an infant / of tender years cannot comply with the same without the decree of / this worshipful court in the premises to the end therefore that / the said Kirby Portis by his guardian may [inserted here, above the line, is ���on his corporal!
oath���] such true and / perfect answer make to all and singular the obligations afsd [aforesaid] / as fully and particularly as if the same were herein again / repeated and interrogated and that your worships will / decree and order that the [lined out here: ���slave afsd may be sold for the���] / said Kirby Portis do pray unto your orators their distributive / part or share of the said Slave or that the same may be sold / for the most that may be had for the same and the money / arising by the sale thereof may be distributed between / [page 2:] your orators and the said Kirby and that your worships will make such / further or other decree as shall be agreeable to equity & good conscious /
may it please &c /
The Answer of Kirby Portis son and heir at law of John Portis dec���d being an / infant under the age of 21 years by Rich���d [lined out here: ���Kirby��� and inserted above it is: ���Kello���] his guardian to the bill of complt / exhibited agst him by Judith Portis and William Portis complainants. / This deft saving and reserving to himself all advantages of exception &c for / answer Now unto saith that true it is that the said John Portis died possessed / of the slave in the bill mentioned that this deft is not able to pay and / advance the complainants distributive part or share of the value of the said / slave without making sale thereof which cannot do without the decree of / this court and being and [sic] infant of tender years prays that what right he hath / therein may be saved to him by name thereof without that &c /

[Document #1���s outside label, on back of page 2]
Portis /
vs /
Portis /
[to the right of above bracketed info appears: ���Bill & answr���]
April 1764 /
Devise for plt /
Sold the slave [illegible] /
July 1765 /
[illegible]

[Document #2]
George the third by the grace of god of great Britain France / and Ireland
King defender of the faith &c To the Sherif of / Southampton County greeting we command you that you~ / summon Kirby Portis ~~ / to appear before our Justices of our said County Court in Chancery / at the courthouse of the said county on the second Thursday / in June next to answer a bill in Chancery exhibited agst him / by Judeth Portis & William Portis~~~

And this he shall in no wise omit under the penalty of ��100 / and have then there this writ witness R Kello Att [Attorney] of our sd / court at the courthouse the sixteenth day of May in / the third year of our reign. /
R. Kello C /

[Document #2���s outside label, on back of document]
D. Portis /
vs /
Portis /
[to the right of above bracketed info appears: ���Spa in chan��� for Subpoena in chancery] /
June 1763 /
Cont���d /
Sept 1763 /
Cont /
Jany /
Court /
[perpendicular to the above labelling, appears:]
Executed on Rich���d. Kirby Guardian /
to Kirby Portis /
Peter Butto She���f [signature] /

[Document #3. The upper right corner of this small document is torn off.]
In Obedience to an Order of Southampton /
court in chancery I have sold the slave in the [missing word] / mentioned for fifty one pounds four shillings being / the most that could be had for the same.- /
R. Kello [signature] /

[Document #3���s outside label, on back of document]
Portis /
vs /
Portis /
[to the right of above bracketed info appears: ���Def���]
[perpendicular to the above label, appear several smudged words, which may be: ���The Earlier will���]		04/04/2003 1:32:06
CORRECTED text version Chancery Ct Southampton Co, VA 1765-001, John Portis /Poythress /PorteusCORRECTED TEXT: it appears from this screen, for drafting the WebMail message while out of town, that I have succeeded in getting rid of the strange characters that appeared earlier where I had used a dash, many quotation marks, many apostrophes, and in the second paragraph of Document 2, the symbol for British monetary pounds next to the 100.

Note: the eldest son mentioned in the following record, Kirby Portis, was under the age of 21 when this suit was filed, apparently in 1764. He could well be the same man whose name we have seen in some listings of those who served in the Revolutionary War, and could well be the same man who Elaine
spotted this week in a marriage record on Ancestry. com:

> Virginia Marriages to 1800
> Southampton County, Virginia
> Kirby Porteus to Mary Windham - 18 Sept. 1783

CHANCERY COURT RECORD, SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, VIRGINIA:
Children of John Portis: Kirby Portis, Judith Portis, William Portis - Southampton Co, VA Chancery Ct Record 1765-001

Transcribed below are the 3 documents contained in record #1765-001, by Barbara Poythress Neal, who invites any clarification of the reading of the handwriting from anyone else who has occasion to examine this record. All 3 documents are completely handwritten. Spelling and punctuation are as they
appear in the original documents. A slash-mark "/" is used to indicate the end of each line of the original document. Where a word was divided by the end of the line, for clarification I will put the entire word next, in square brackets. [My other clarifying transcription notes also appear in square brackets like these.]

[Document #1]
To the worshipful court of Southampton sitting in chancery /
Humbly complaining /
Sheweth unto your worships your orators Judith Portis and William / Portis infants under the age of 21 years by R Kirby - [blank] their next friend that / your orators father John Portis was in his lifetime and at the time / of his death seised and possessed of one Negro slave named Dinah / and diverse other goods and chattels to the amount of [blank] / and being so possessed departed this life intestate leaving one Kirby / Portis his eldest
son and heir at law and your orators his children / that by the laws of this colony your orators are intituled [entitled] [lined out here: "to"] each / of them to one third part of the value of the said slave that your orators have / applied for the same to the said Kirby Portis but he being an infant / of tender years cannot comply with the same without the decree of / this worshipful court in the premises to the end therefore that / the said Kirby Portis by his guardian may [inserted here, above the line, is "on his corporal oath"] such true and / perfect answer make to all and singular the obligations afsd [aforesaid] / as fully and particularly as if the same were herein again / repeated and interrogated and that your worships will / decree and order that the [lined out here: "slave afsd may be sold for the"] / said Kirby Portis do pray unto your orators their distributive / part
or share of the said Slave or that the same may be sold / for the most that may be had for the same and the money / arising by the sale thereof may be distributed between / [page 2:] your orators and the said Kirby and that your worships will make such / further or other decree as shall be agreeable to equity & good conscious /
may it please &c / The Answer of Kirby Portis son and heir at law of John Portis dec'd being an / infant under the age of 21 years by Rich'd [lined out here: "Kirby" and inserted above it is: "Kello"] his guardian to the bill of complt / exhibited agst him by Judith Portis and William Portis complainants. / This deft
saving and reserving to himself all advantages of exception &c for / answer Now unto saith that true it is that the said John Portis died possessed / of the slave in the bill mentioned that this deft is not able to pay and / advance the complainants distributive part or share of the value of the said / slave without making sale thereof which cannot do without the decree of / this court and being and [sic] infant of tender years prays that what right he hath / therein may be saved to him by name thereof without that &c/

[Document #1's outside label, on back of page 2]
Portis /
vs /
Portis /
[to the right of above bracketed info appears: "Bill & answr"]
April 1764 /
Devise for plt /
Sold the slave [illegible] /
July 1765 /
[illegible]

[Document #2]
George the third by the grace of god of great Britain France / and Ireland King defender of the faith &c To the Sherif of / Southampton County greeting we command you that you~ / summon Kirby Portis ~~ / to appear before our Justices of our said County Court in Chancery / at the courthouse of the said county on the second Thursday / in June next to answer a bill in Chancery exhibited agst him / by Judeth Portis & William Portis~~~

And this he shall in no wise omit under the penalty of ��100 / and have then there this writ witness R Kello Att [Attorney] of our sd / court at the courthouse the sixteenth day of May in / the third year of our reign. /
R. Kello C /

[Document #2's outside label, on back of document]
D. Portis /
vs /
Portis /
[to the right of above bracketed info appears: "Spa in chan" for Subpoena in chancery] /
June 1763 /
Cont'd /
Sept 1763 /
Cont /
Jany /
Court /
[perpendicular to the above labelling, appears:]
Executed on Rich'd. Kirby Guardian /
to Kirby Portis /
Peter Butto She'f [signature] /

[Document #3. The upper right corner of this small document is torn off.]
In Obedience to an Order of Southampton / court in chancery I have sold the slave in the [missing word] / mentioned for fifty one pounds four shillings being / the most that could be had for
the same.- /
R. Kello [signature] /

[Document #3's outside label, on back of document]
Portis /
vs /
Portis /
[to the right of above bracketed info appears: "Def"]
[perpendicular to the above label, appear several smudged words, which may be: "The Earlier will"]		04/04/2003 11:52:11
A Book ToutJohn M PoythressI picked this one up off the remainder table at Barnes & Noble for 5.98. I just checked Amazon and it is also available from them "used" (in theory "used" but actually new) @ 6.00 plus postage.

A 750 page hardback titled: ARGALL: The True Story of Pocahontas and Captain John Smith by William T. Vollman, "semi-titled" volume 3 of seven dreams: a book of north American landscapes. It is about as quirky a book as you'd ever want to come across. It is written in a many-person "journal" form using period English with hand drawn "rough" maps, illustrations, etc.

You wouldn't want to buy this for "the Poythress Connection" as it only mentions Jane Poythress once. You'd buy it a) because it's a world class cheapie off the remainder table and b) it is remarkable in its rendition of period English usage, titles, punctuation, spelling, etc. and c) because it had to be written by a guy two jumps from being committed.

I'm loving it....but I was an English major in my misguided youth and learned the vernacular....others beware. You'll quickly discover why it wound up on the remainder table....it doesn't exactly have "universal" appeal to the average reader; and you need to have an interest in the history of the period. So if you're interested in the slightest, 6 bucks is not that big a gamble.

Maynard		04/15/2003 6:00:24
PorteusJohn M PoythressElaine:

Thanks for the wealth of information on these people, the question being should we show this name and all of its people as merely "variant spellings" of Poythress in your census compilations.

I'm going to take a slightly different tack on this family. Until now we have generally (given that our own surname is so subject to variants in the first place) taken almost anybody under the tent if his name started with a "P", had maybe a "Y" or an "R" in it and generally ended in an "S" or two. In general, in most cases I think we were correct to do so largely on the premise that the individual was "in the right place" for a court clerk or clergyman to mistakenly create his own spelling of Poythress; to wit, Prince George County, Mecklenburg County, "Southside" of the James R., etc. and other places later.

However, I'll stake it that this particular family (and by implication all of its people) has its own family/identity as established by the multitude of records where the name is universally spelled "Porteus". Here are the points of my rationale:

1) there are several dozen of these people and with only one exception, the name is always spelled "Porteus" over a span
well longer than 100 years.

2) they have a set of "favorite" given name "repeaters" generally unfamiliar to our family:Samuels, Stephens, Beilby,Windham,
etc. They also have a single Robert and a single Thomas but those two names are fairly common just about anywhere in the
colonies.

3) they have a set of "origins" and colonial locales that remain consistent throughout: New Jersey, New York, Boston,
Philadelphia, and London via Dumfries (Scotland) and several from Perth (Scotland). I'd have a hard time making Porteus into
a typical Scottish name and even if I did it still wouldn't fit with our known origins.... but I'd have an even harder time linking
them to any of our Virginia crowd.

4) in many cases they appear to have arrived in America with some "scholarly" (religious or clerical) credentials earned in
England. I wouldn't make too much of this but while Francis (1) shows evidence of being literate, he was unquestionably a
businessman (or "planter") and so were his decendents.

5) mitigating "for" them is a Porteus lawyer in Augusta County, VA. The name also appears in South Carolina, either on the
Piedmont or low country Charleston (i. e. neither close to the Georgia border). For whatever it's worth the South Carolina
ones were Baptists. Alexander Porteus is a lawyer in Lancaster County, Virginia.

6) of the 12 identified WBTS soldiers, 9 were Union New Englanders and 3 were Confederates, 2 of them from up country SC
and one from Louisiana of all places. All 12 surname spellings were identical: Porteus.

Two things strike me in all this: on balance the evidence seems to suggest they are a family themselves...the "tipping point" being that they virtually always spell the name precisely the same and they are numerous and, by inference, educated (or at least literate). Second, I think that to "throw them into the mix" of a census report of Poythresses is going to cause more confusion than it's worth....simply by the sheer numbers of them in all the wrong places.

I'd be inclined not to list them but others may view it differently.

Maynard		04/17/2003 5:13:28
Re: PorteusThanks to Maynard for apparently taking the time to do some searches on the Porteus name.

And as Maynard predicted, "some may view it differently" - so here I am, chiming in:

Though Maynard has found (in the various searches he apparently did) several dozen of these people & though he has found that the name is spelled the same: I think it possible that (as Maynard mentioned re the court clerk, etc) -- in situations where *someone else* was writing down the person's name -- the *writer* may have spelled the name he heard as Porteus *only because* the writer was familiar with someone of that family, and not familiar with the Poythress spelling.

Thus I think we need to keep an open mind and list Porteus (and even Portis) people WHEN we find them in STATES where we are ALSO finding Poythress people, so that we, individually, can look at those particular folks on a case-by-case basis before we personally decide to include or eliminate them from our own research.

Thanks for listening to a contrasting view.
Barbara Poythress Neal

John M Poythress wrote:
> Elaine:
>
> Thanks for the wealth of information on these people, the question being should we show this name and all of its people as merely "variant spellings" of Poythress in your census compilations.
>
> I'm going to take a slightly different tack on this family. Until now we have generally (given that our own surname is so subject to variants in the first place) taken almost anybody under the tent if his name started with a "P", had maybe a "Y" or an "R" in it and generally ended in an "S" or two. In general, in most cases I think we were correct to do so largely on the premise that the individual was "in the right place" for a court clerk or clergyman to mistakenly create his own spelling of Poythress; to wit, Prince George County, Mecklenburg County, "Southside" of the James R., etc. and other places later.
>
> However, I'll stake it that this particular family (and by implication all of its people) has its own family/identity as established by the multitude of records where the name is universally spelled "Porteus". Here are the points of my rationale:
>
> 1) there are several dozen of these people and with only one exception, the name is always spelled "Porteus" over a span well longer than 100 years.
>
> 2) they have a set of "favorite" given name "repeaters" generally unfamiliar to our family:Samuels, Stephens, Beilby, Windham, etc. They also have a single Robert and a single Thomas but those two names are fairly common just about anywhere in the
colonies.
>
> 3) they have a set of "origins" and colonial locales that remain consistent throughout: New Jersey, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, and London via Dumfries (Scotland) and several from Perth (Scotland). I'd have a hard time making Porteus into a typical Scottish name and even if I did it still wouldn't fit with our known origins.... but I'd have an even harder time linking them to any of our Virginia crowd.
>
> 4) in many cases they appear to have arrived in America with some "scholarly" (religious or clerical) credentials earned in
England. I wouldn't make too much of this but while Francis (1) shows evidence of being literate, he was unquestionably a
businessman (or "planter") and so were his decendents.
>
> 5) mitigating "for" them is a Porteus lawyer in Augusta County, VA. The name also appears in South Carolina, either on the
> Piedmont or low country Charleston (i. e. neither close to the Georgia border). For whatever it's worth the South Carolina
ones were Baptists. Alexander Porteus is a lawyer in Lancaster County, Virginia.
>
> 6) of the 12 identified WBTS soldiers, 9 were Union New Englanders and 3 were Confederates, 2 of them from up country SC
and one from Louisiana of all places. All 12 surname spellings were identical: Porteus.
>
> Two things strike me in all this: on balance the evidence seems to suggest they are a family themselves...the "tipping point" being that they virtually always spell the name precisely the same and they are numerous and, by inference, educated (or at least literate). Second, I think that to "throw them into the mix" of a census report of Poythresses is going to cause more confusion than it's worth....simply by the sheer numbers of them in all the wrong places.
>
> I'd be inclined not to list them but others may view it differently.
>
> Maynard		04/18/2003 5:26:35
Flowerdew Decendants GatheringJohn M PoythressAnnouncment in mail today:

Flowerdew Hundred's Second Annual
Descendants Gathering

August 23, 9AM to 4PM

The Flowerdew Hundred Foundation is inviting descendants of Flowerdew's "first families" to participate in		04/18/2003 9:00:21
Poythresses Buried In North CarolinaHello to all. Hope everyone is well.

While doing some research for Poythresses in NC, I ran across these on
Rootsweb USGENWEB - Tombstone Inscription Project

Demascus Church Cemetery
Chapel Hill, Orange County, NC

C.W. Poythress - May 25, 1920 - July 20, 1944

Creola Poythress Freeland - Nov. 14, 1890 - Nov. 12, 1962

John W. Poythress - Oct. 29, 1888 - Jan. 14, 1922

Robert Lee Poythress - Died Jan. 17, 1914 - Age 49

Permelia S. Poythress - Dec. 30, 1843 - Sept. 10, 1918

POYTHRESS
Robert Furman - Apr. 30, 1892 - Dec. 2, 1957
Ila Barnes Dec. 6, 1892 - March 5, 1985
(One Stone)

POYTHRESS
Lela Mann - May 4, 1919 - July 25, 1978
Robert Lee - July 4, 1918 - March 1, 1995
(One Stone)


J.W. Sledge Cemetery - Cedar Rock - Franklin County, NC

Joseph E. Poythress
April 6, 1854
Dec. 24, 1910

Bettie E. Poythress
Dec. 8, 1858
(no death date)

Take Care,
Elaine		04/22/2003 7:06:38
Poythresses In The Census Project - Introduction (Draft)Following this introduction will be the North Carolina Census, the first
state of this project. I am putting it on the board for corrections,
additions, deletions. Please send them to me personally. The deadline is
May 15, 2003 to have them submitted, so I can finalize this state. I will
submit each state one at a time, so we are all on the same page, so to speak.
I may have to submit the NC census in parts, as it is a very large file and
I do not know if it will all fit, on a single email.

As always Thanks!!!
Elaine


First Draft

POYTHRESS IN THE CENSUS
Page 1
1790 - 1930
(Various Spellings)



This project was an attempt to locate, using the US Federal Census,
Poythresses of various spellings, or should I say, misspellings.

The source for this project, is the Search Engine and Census Images at
Ancestry.com. I used phonetics, to do a surname search, of Ancestry's
database. I thought of ways the name could possibly be pronounced and ways I
have heard it pronounced or mispronounced, thus coming up with a variety of
ways it could be spelled. I then typed the spelling into the search field, to
see if the database had anyone by that spelling. If it did, then I would go
to the census page, where it was located. In many instances, I did do a page
by page search of the images, if I was looking for a particular Poythress,
and the search engine was unable to locate them.

I am NOT SAYING, that all of these people, are in fact Poythresses, I leave
that entirely to the individual Researcher.

I am also, NOT SAYING, that these are all the Poythresses, who have ever been
in the census. However, I do think this is a good representation of the
different branches.

As I was finishing North Carolina, for this project, the entire 1930 Census
Index, was completed, at Ancestry. I have decided to add this census year to
the project, so we will all be current, on available census information.

This project will be posted in stages and will eventually cover all states,
in the US.

IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ

For simplicity and due to the length of this project, I have eliminated some
repetitive parts, of the census data.
1. All people speak English, unless otherwise noted.
2. If No Marital Status is noted, they were listed as Single.
3. If Veteran, is not noted, it was Not listed.
4. If Attended School, is not noted, it was Not listed.
5. All, could Read and Write, unless otherwise noted.
6. In the early census years, if the Old Script fs was used, for the ss
(double s), I chose to use the, ss (double s), since it does not change the
actual spelling of the name.

Any notes in ( ) are mine.



Page 2


Question Marks ? - in many instances the census pages were in bad shape and
hard to read. All ?'s mean, that is the best I could make out the spelling
or information on the census page. In some cases, all there will be is a ?,
meaning I could not even render, a guess.

Abbreviations used for this Project

M - Male
F - Female
OFP - Other Free Persons
FCP - Free Colored Persons
Mu/Mul - Mulatto
Neg. - Negro
E. Em. Emp. - Employer/Employee
Gr. - Grand
Gen. - General

I hope this project helps some of you, fill in a blank or two, on some of
your Ancestors.

Elaine Criddle - 2003		04/22/2003 7:33:01
Poythresses Buried in North CarolinaElaine, thanks so much for posting these finds. I wonder whether the following Robert Lee Poythress might be one of the brothers of Horace Calvin Poythress (formerly one of our List members, who I think used the nickname "Lucky" in some of his messages). I know only from what he had said that his brother Robert Lee Poythress had died prior to 1999; don't know name of any wife for him.
Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)
>
> POYTHRESS
> Lela Mann - May 4, 1919 - July 25, 1978
> Robert Lee - July 4, 1918 - March 1, 1995

Hello to all. Hope everyone is well.

While doing some research for Poythresses in NC, I ran across these on Rootsweb USGENWEB - Tombstone Inscription Project

Demascus Church Cemetery
Chapel Hill, Orange County, NC

C.W. Poythress - May 25, 1920 - July 20, 1944

Creola Poythress Freeland - Nov. 14, 1890 - Nov. 12, 1962

John W. Poythress - Oct. 29, 1888 - Jan. 14, 1922

Robert Lee Poythress - Died Jan. 17, 1914 - Age 49

Permelia S. Poythress - Dec. 30, 1843 - Sept. 10, 1918

POYTHRESS
Robert Furman - Apr. 30, 1892 - Dec. 2, 1957
Ila Barnes Dec. 6, 1892 - March 5, 1985
(One Stone)

POYTHRESS
Lela Mann - May 4, 1919 - July 25, 1978
Robert Lee - July 4, 1918 - March 1, 1995
(One Stone)

J.W. Sledge Cemetery - Cedar Rock - Franklin County, NC

Joseph E. Poythress
April 6, 1854
Dec. 24, 1910

Bettie E. Poythress
Dec. 8, 1858
(no death date)

Take Care,
Elaine		04/23/2003 4:03:52
Re Poythresses In The Census Project - Introduction (Draft)Elaine,
Looking forward to the NC info; I feel sure it will have to go out in portions, since List messages cannot be very long.

Thank you so much for your voluminous & conscientious work on this project that will no doubt help all of us in our research.
Barbara (BPN)



04/23/2003 4:07:18
RE: Re Poythresses Buried in North Carolina/ UpdatedNicoleMy research shows the first one you mentioned, Robert Lee Poythress died Jan. 17, 1914. Here are the Poythress listings at Demascus according to the folks at our local genealogical society (survey done in 1975) - hope this helps - Nicole

* Poythress, C W (b. 25 May 1920 - d. 20 Jul 1944)

Footstone: C.W.P.

* Poythress, Carnie J (b. - d. 1942)

Footstone: C.J.P.

* Poythress, Grover C (b. - d.)

Footstone: G.C.P.

* Poythress, Ila Barnes (b. 5 Dec 1892 - d.)

(Wife Of Robert Furman Poythress) Footstone: I.B.P.

* Poythress, John W (b. 28 Oct 1888 - d. 14 Jan 1922)

World War U.s. Veteran Footstone: J.W.P.

* Poythress, Nancy Josephine Daniel (b. 12 May 1861 - d. 26 Sep 1920)

Wife Of Robert Lee Poythress 'Mother' Footstone: N.J.D.p.

* Poythress, Ola S (b. 24 Nov 1880 - d. 9 Aug 1936)

(Wife Of Simeon E Poythress) Footstone: 'Mother'

* Poythress, Permelia S (b. 29 Dec 1843 - d. 10 Sep 1916)

Footstone: P.S.P.

* Poythress, Robert Furman (b. 29 Apr 1892 - d. 2 Dec 1957)

Footstone: R.F.P.

* Poythress, Robert Lee (b. - d. 7 Jan 1914)

..'Father Aged 49 Yrs. Footstone: R.L.P.

* Poythress, Simeon E (b. 16 Nov 1867 - d. 12 Mar 1952)

Footstone: 'Father'

-----Original Message-----
From: bp_neal@earthlink.net [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wed 4/23/2003 6:18 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Cc:
Subject: Re Poythresses Buried in North Carolina/ Updated



Nicole, thanks so much for your input!

So that I'm sure I understand which RLP married Nancy Josephine Daniel (who is also buried at Demascus Church Cemetery) can you please clarify which Robert Lee Poythress married her:

- the Robert Lee Poythress whose cemetery dates are given as
"Died Jan. 17, 1914 - Age 49" (thus he would've been born about 1864 or 1865)

or

- the Robert Lee Poythress whose cemetery dates are given as
"July 4, 1918 - March 1, 1995" on the same stone with Lela Mann (her dates are given as "May 4, 1919 - July 25, 1978")

It gets confusing since both RLPs are shown in the USGENWEB info as buried in Demascus Church Cemetery, Chapel Hill, Orange County, NC. Appreciate any help you can give.

Thanks again so much.
Barbara (BPN)

Nicole wrote:
> My research shows Robert Lee Poythress married Nancy Josephine Daniel who is also buried at Demascus Church Cemetery.
> Nicole Gooding-Ray



==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		04/23/2003 4:30:13
Re Poythresses Buried in North Carolina/ UpdatedCertainly sounds logical, Elaine & makes a good working hypothesis. Thanks for adding the ones you had missed.
Cheers, BPN

Hi Barbara. After really looking at these folks today, I realized I missed Ola, Simeon, and Whitney. I have added them below. I believe these folks are descendants of George W. Poythress, son of Edward and Mahaley Nance, and his wife Permelia Susan Redmon, thus the Permela S. Poythress listed below is Permelia Susan Redmon Poythress.

Take care,
Elaine

> Elaine, thanks so much for posting these finds. I wonder whether the Robert Lee Poythress (d.1995) might be one of the brothers of Horace Calvin Poythress (formerly one of our List members, who I think used the nickname "Lucky" in some of his messages). I know only from what he had said that his brother Robert Lee Poythress had died prior to 1999; don't know name of any wife for him.
Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)

From Elaine:
>> Hello to all. Hope everyone is well.
>> While doing some research for Poythresses in NC, I ran across these on Rootsweb USGENWEB - Tombstone Inscription Project

Demascus Church Cemetery
Chapel Hill, Orange County, NC

C.W. Poythress - May 25, 1920 - July 20, 1944

Creola Poythress Freeland - Nov. 14, 1890 - Nov. 12, 1962

John W. Poythress - Oct. 29, 1888 - Jan. 14, 1922

Robert Lee Poythress - Died Jan. 17, 1914 - Age 49

Permelia S. Poythress - Dec. 30, 1843 - Sept. 10, 1918

POYTHRESS
Ola S. - Nov. 25, 1880 - Aug. 9, 1936
Simeon E. - Nov 17, 1867 - Mar. 12, 1952
(One Stone)

Poythress, Whitney F. - Dec. 12, 1900 - May 21, 1982

POYTHRESS
Robert Furman - Apr. 30, 1892 - Dec. 2, 1957
Ila Barnes Dec. 6, 1892 - March 5, 1985
(One Stone)

POYTHRESS
Lela Mann - May 4, 1919 - July 25, 1978
Robert Lee - July 4, 1918 - March 1, 1995
(One Stone)

J.W. Sledge Cemetery - Cedar Rock - Franklin County, NC

Joseph E. Poythress
April 6, 1854
Dec. 24, 1910

Bettie E. Poythress
Dec. 8, 1858
(no death date)

Take Care,
Elaine		04/23/2003 6:01:33
Uploads to GDAHJohn M PoythressFor those of you researching Georgia, there is a valuable resource appearing frequently on the Burke County page. The lady who is manager of that lists posts (about every three weeks) a summary of all the uploads of data of all the counties that are submitted to both Rootsweb and the Georgia Archives. It is a single posting often cut in two by the fact that it is so long.

It may be "long" but it's quite easy to "search". It is alphabetical by county and the all titles are all "hot links".

A further advantage (for this purpose anyway) is that the Burke webpage itself is very, very inactive. Burke's courthouse burned 3 times and I suppose the court material is so scarce that a lot of people get discouraged and I speculate this may account for the inactivity.

The inactivity is all the better for those who only want the index of uploads (although very rarely a Burke Poythress will pop up on the page alone).

Easy to get to: just subscribe to the digest version of the Burke page and you can zap the regular individual posts and pick up the new uploads of freshly researched information. Address to subscribe: GABURKE-D-request@rootsweb.com --using only one word in the body of the email: subscribe.

Hope this is helpful.

Maynard		04/23/2003 8:09:26
Poythresses Buried In North Carolina/ UpdatedHi Barbara. After really looking at these folks today, I realized I missed
Ola, Simeon, and Whitney. I have added them below. I believe these folks are
descendants of George W. Poythress, son of Edward and Mahaley Nance, and his
wife Permelia Susan Redmon, thus the Permela S. Poythress listed below is
Permelia Susan Redmon Poythress.

Take care,
Elaine

Elaine, thanks so much for posting these finds. I wonder whether the
following Robert Lee Poythress might be one of the brothers of Horace Calvin
Poythress (formerly one of our List members, who I think used the nickname
"Lucky" in some of his messages). I know only from what he had said that his
brother Robert Lee Poythress had died prior to 1999; don't know name of any
wife for him.
Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)
>
> POYTHRESS
> Lela Mann - May 4, 1919 - July 25, 1978
> Robert Lee - July 4, 1918 - March 1, 1995

Hello to all. Hope everyone is well.

While doing some research for Poythresses in NC, I ran across these on
Rootsweb USGENWEB - Tombstone Inscription Project

Demascus Church Cemetery
Chapel Hill, Orange County, NC

C.W. Poythress - May 25, 1920 - July 20, 1944

Creola Poythress Freeland - Nov. 14, 1890 - Nov. 12, 1962

John W. Poythress - Oct. 29, 1888 - Jan. 14, 1922

Robert Lee Poythress - Died Jan. 17, 1914 - Age 49

Permelia S. Poythress - Dec. 30, 1843 - Sept. 10, 1918

POYTHRESS
Ola S. - Nov. 25, 1880 - Aug. 9, 1936
Simeon E. - Nov 17, 1867 - Mar. 12, 1952
(One Stone)

Poythress, Whitney F. - Dec. 12, 1900 - May 21, 1982

POYTHRESS
Robert Furman - Apr. 30, 1892 - Dec. 2, 1957
Ila Barnes Dec. 6, 1892 - March 5, 1985
(One Stone)

POYTHRESS
Lela Mann - May 4, 1919 - July 25, 1978
Robert Lee - July 4, 1918 - March 1, 1995
(One Stone)

J.W. Sledge Cemetery - Cedar Rock - Franklin County, NC

Joseph E. Poythress
April 6, 1854
Dec. 24, 1910

Bettie E. Poythress
Dec. 8, 1858
(no death date)

Take Care,
Elaine


==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		04/23/2003 8:30:46
Re Poythresses Buried in North Carolina/ UpdatedNicole, thanks so much for your input!

So that I'm sure I understand which RLP married Nancy Josephine Daniel (who is also buried at Demascus Church Cemetery) can you please clarify which Robert Lee Poythress married her:

- the Robert Lee Poythress whose cemetery dates are given as
"Died Jan. 17, 1914 - Age 49" (thus he would've been born about 1864 or 1865)

or

- the Robert Lee Poythress whose cemetery dates are given as
"July 4, 1918 - March 1, 1995" on the same stone with Lela Mann (her dates are given as "May 4, 1919 - July 25, 1978")

It gets confusing since both RLPs are shown in the USGENWEB info as buried in Demascus Church Cemetery, Chapel Hill, Orange County, NC. Appreciate any help you can give.

Thanks again so much.
Barbara (BPN)

Nicole wrote:
> My research shows Robert Lee Poythress married Nancy Josephine Daniel who is also buried at Demascus Church Cemetery.
> Nicole Gooding-Ray		04/23/2003 9:18:57
RE: Re Poythresses Buried in North Carolina/ UpdatedNicoleMy research shows Robert Lee Poythress married Nancy Josephine Daniel who is also buried at Demascus Church Cemetery.

Nicole Gooding-Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: bp_neal@earthlink.net [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wed 4/23/2003 3:01 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Cc:
Subject: Re Poythresses Buried in North Carolina/ Updated



Certainly sounds logical, Elaine & makes a good working hypothesis. Thanks for adding the ones you had missed.
Cheers, BPN

Hi Barbara. After really looking at these folks today, I realized I missed Ola, Simeon, and Whitney. I have added them below. I believe these folks are descendants of George W. Poythress, son of Edward and Mahaley Nance, and his wife Permelia Susan Redmon, thus the Permela S. Poythress listed below is Permelia Susan Redmon Poythress.

Take care,
Elaine

> Elaine, thanks so much for posting these finds. I wonder whether the Robert Lee Poythress (d.1995) might be one of the brothers of Horace Calvin Poythress (formerly one of our List members, who I think used the nickname "Lucky" in some of his messages). I know only from what he had said that his brother Robert Lee Poythress had died prior to 1999; don't know name of any wife for him.
Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)

>From Elaine:
>> Hello to all. Hope everyone is well.
>> While doing some research for Poythresses in NC, I ran across these on Rootsweb USGENWEB - Tombstone Inscription Project

Demascus Church Cemetery
Chapel Hill, Orange County, NC

C.W. Poythress - May 25, 1920 - July 20, 1944

Creola Poythress Freeland - Nov. 14, 1890 - Nov. 12, 1962

John W. Poythress - Oct. 29, 1888 - Jan. 14, 1922

Robert Lee Poythress - Died Jan. 17, 1914 - Age 49

Permelia S. Poythress - Dec. 30, 1843 - Sept. 10, 1918

POYTHRESS
Ola S. - Nov. 25, 1880 - Aug. 9, 1936
Simeon E. - Nov 17, 1867 - Mar. 12, 1952
(One Stone)

Poythress, Whitney F. - Dec. 12, 1900 - May 21, 1982

POYTHRESS
Robert Furman - Apr. 30, 1892 - Dec. 2, 1957
Ila Barnes Dec. 6, 1892 - March 5, 1985
(One Stone)

POYTHRESS
Lela Mann - May 4, 1919 - July 25, 1978
Robert Lee - July 4, 1918 - March 1, 1995
(One Stone)

J.W. Sledge Cemetery - Cedar Rock - Franklin County, NC

Joseph E. Poythress
April 6, 1854
Dec. 24, 1910

Bettie E. Poythress
Dec. 8, 1858
(no death date)

Take Care,
Elaine


==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		04/23/2003 9:44:28
Flowerdew's "Decendants Gathering"John M PoythressThis year is scheduled for August 23rd (not withstanding that the literature in at least one place incorrectly says 24th).

You can check FlowerdewHundred.org and ask for a propanda pamphlet if you are interested. It includes registration blank.

I wouldn't be particularly be concerned with "proof of decendancy" to the owners of the place. My guess is most of them are liable to be shaky; and besides, I would imagine nobody much cares anyway. They'll be happy to just get another potential "donor" on their mailing list.

Maynard		04/23/2003 10:59:40
RE: Poythresses Buried In North CarolinsThanks Nicole.  That one did not catch my eye.  I rechecked and found it.

Nancy Josephine Daniel wife of Robert Lee Poythress May 13, 1861 - Sept. 26,
1920
Her memory is blessed

Take care,
Elaine

My research shows Robert Lee Poythress married Nancy Josephine Daniel who is
also buried at Demascus Church Cemetery.

Nicole Gooding-Ray		04/23/2003 12:43:17
Re Poythresses Buried in North Carolina/ UpdatedThanks so much, Nicole, for clarifying the couple, & thanks for additionally recapping all the Poythress burials listed at Demascus Church Cemetery according to the 1975 survey from folks at your local genealogical society.

Barbara (BPN)

My research shows the first one you mentioned, Robert Lee Poythress died Jan. 17, 1914.

was the RLP who married Nancy Josephine Daniel (who is also buried at Demascus Church Cemetery) can you please clarify which Robert Lee Poythress married her:

- the Robert Lee Poythress w cemetery dates given as:
"Died Jan. 17, 1914 - Age 49" (thus he would've been born about 1864 or 1865)
or
- the Robert Lee Poythress w cemetery dates given as
"July 4, 1918 - March 1, 1995" on the same stone with Lela Mann (her dates are given as "May 4, 1919 - July 25, 1978")		04/24/2003 1:15:37
Sorry - North Carolina CensusI am having no luck, getting this thing to copy in sections, it is 35 pages
long. I have never tried this before. Everytime I try, my text on Word,
shifts, and does all sorts of crazy things. When and if I ever figure it out,
I will post it to the board. Hopefully I will get this show on the road,
eventually.

Take care,
Elaine		04/24/2003 7:24:47
North Carolina - Part 1Poythress In The Census
Page 1



North Carolina
See the Introduction to this Project, for abbreviations used!!!!

1790
Chatham County

? (smudged)Poustes, Poystes, James - pg. 216, 1 M 16+, 2 M under 16, 3
females,
6 slaves

Franklin County

Portiss, John - pg. 60, 1 M 16+, 4 M under 16, 3 females, 1 other free
person, 9 slaves

Nash County

Portes, John - pg. 71, 2 M 16+, 2 M under 16, 4 females, 8 slaves

Northampton County

Poythress, Hardimon - pg. 72, 5 other free persons

Poythress, Odam - pg. 72, 9 other free persons

1800
Edgecombe County

Portes, Robert (Mulatto) - pg. 232, 1 F 26-44, 7 other free persons

Nash County

Portiss, Irey - pg. 114, 2 M 16-25, 1 female 45+, 10 slaves

Portiss, Jeremiah - pg. 114, 1 M under 10, 1 M 16-25, 1 M 26-44, 3 F under, 1
F 26-44, 3 Slaves

Northampton County

Poythress, Celia - pg. 469, 3 other free persons

Poythress, Oneham - pg. 469, 12 other free persons

Poythress, Temperance - pg. 470, 6 other free persons




1810
Page 2


Edgecombe County

Portis, Robert - pg. 63, 2 other free persons

Portis, Samuel - pg.63, 1 other free person

Portis, Martin - pg. 63, 2 other free persons

Portis, Elizabeth - pg.64, 6 other free persons

Franklin County

Portis, Jeremiah - pg. 96, 3 M under 10, 1 M 26-44, 1 F under 10, 2 F 10-15,

1 F 16-25, 1 F 26-44, 5 slaves

Portis, John - pg. 96, 2 M under 10, 1 M 10-15, 1 M 26-44, 1 F under 10,
1 F 10-15, 1 F 26-44, 14 slaves

Guilford County

Portis, L. - pg. 169, 2 M under 10, 2 M 10-15, 1 M 16-25, 1 M 45+, 1 F under
10,
1 F 16-25, 1 F 45+

Nash County

Portress, Ire - pg. 77, 2 M under 10, 1 M 26-44, 1 M 45+, 1 F under 10,
1 F 16-44, 1 F 45+, 12 slaves

Onslow County

Portes, John - 1 M 45+, 1 F 45+

1820
Halifax County

Portes, Mary - pg. 161, 1 F 26-44, 1 F 45+, 1 slave M 26-44, 1 slave M 45+

Portes, William - pg. 161, 1 M 26-44, 1 F under 10, 2 F 16-25






1820 Cont.
Page 3

Johnston County

Portis, David - pg. 271, 1 M under 10, 1 M 16-18, 1 M 16-25, 1 M 45+, 1 F
10-15,
1 F 16-25, 1 F 45+

Northampton County

Portis, Betsy - pg. 250, 1 F under 10, 1 F 16-25, 1 F 45+

Portress, John - pg. 250, 1 M 16-25, 1 M 26-44, 3 F 16-25, 2 F 26-44

Person County

Portress, Littleberry - pg. 446, 1 M 26-44, 1 F under 10, 2 F 10-15, 1 F
26-44,
8 slave M under 14, 1 slave M 14-26, 1 slave M 26-44, 1 slave M 45+,
9 slave F under 14, 5 slave F 14-25, 1 slave F 26-44, 2 slave F 45+

1830

Franklin County

Portis, Jeremiah - pg. 331, 1 M 10-14, 1 M 15-19, 1 M 20-29, 1 M 50-59, 2 F
10-14,
1 slave M 55-99

Portis, John - pg. 331, 1 M 50-59, 2 F 5-9, 1 F 30-39,
1 slave M under 10, 1 slave M 10-23, 1 slave M 24-35,
3 slave F under 10, 1 slave F 10-23, 1 slave F 36-54

Guilford County

Portis, ?Neijah - pg.195, 2 M under 5, 2 M 5-9, 1 M 20-29, 1 F 5-9, 1 F
20-29,
1 F 30-39

Nash County

Portiss, Ricks - pg. 168, 2 M under 5, 1 M 5-9, 1 M 30-39, 1 F under 5, 2 F
5-9,
1 F 30-39







1830 Cont.
Page 4


Northampton County

Poytress, James - pg. 129, 1 M under 5, 1 M 40-49, 1 F under 5, 1 F 20-29,
1 F 50-59

Poytress, John - pg. 129, 1 M 40-49, 1 F 20-29, 2 F 30-39, 1 F 40-49

1840
Davidson County

Portes, Josiah, pg.226, 1 M under 5, 1 M 5-9, 1 M 20-29, 1 F under 5, 1 F
5-9,
1 F 20-29

Franklin County

Portis, Henry, pg. 65, 1 M 5-9, 1 M 10-14, 1 M 30-39, 1 F under 5, 1 F 5-9,
1 F 30-39

Northampton

Portress, James - pg.103, 3 M, FCP under 10, 1 M, FCP 10-23, 1 M, FCP 36-55,
1 F, FCP under 10, 1 F, FCP 10-23, 1 F, FCP 24-35,

Portress, John - pg. 103, 1 M, FCP 56-100, 1 F, FCP, under 10, 1 F, FCP
10-23,
2 F, FCP 56-100

Randolph County

Portiss, Isham, pg. 78, 1 M under 5, 1 M 30-39, 1 F 20-29

Surry County

Portis, Allen, pg. 85, 1 M 5-9, 1 M 40-49, 1 M 80-89, 1 F 10-14, 1 F 40-49,
1 F 80-89

Portis, Ira, pg. 58, 1 M 5-9, 1 M 20-29, 1 F 30-39

Portis, William, pg. 59, 1 M 50-59, 1 F 40-49		04/26/2003 9:00:36
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1850
Page 5
Davidson County

HH 59 - of James and Martha Regan, Northern Div., pg. 226, 31 July
Portas, Elizabeth - age 14, female, born NC, attends school

HH 591 - North Division, pg. 262, 24 Aug.
Portis, ? Nachel, age 39, male, born NC (no occupation listed)
, Emeline, age 17, female, born NC
, Silas, age 15, male, laborer, attends school, born NC
, Elizabeth, age 14, female, born NC
, George W., age 11, male, born NC




HH 140 - of Mary Clinard, Northern Div., pg. 231, 3 Aug.
Portas, Martha - age 9, female, born NC, attends school

Granville County

HH 73 - of Moritmer and Elizabeth Tanner, Abrams Plains Dist., pg. 10, 11
Dec.
Poythress, John - age 21, male, born VA

Northampton County

HH 1060 - of James W. Love, Twp. (blank), page 65, 29 Oct.
Portis, Sterling, age 15, male, mul, born NC

HH 1158 - Twp. (blank), page 71, 8 Nov.
Portis, James, age 65, male,(blank), none, born NC, pauper
, William, age 20, male, (blank), none, born NC
, James, age 18, male, (blank), none, born NC
, Lovel, age 15, male, (blank), born NC,
, Joseph, age 7, male, (blank), born NC, pauper
, Plump, age 5, male, (blank), born NC, pauper

HH 1159 - Twp. (blank), page 71, 8 Nov.
Portis, Julia A., age 25, female, (blank), born NC,
, Martha E., age 4, female, (blank), born NC, pauper
, Celia, age 60, female, (blank), born NC
, Elizabeth, age 22, female, born VA





1850 Cont.
Page 6

Stokes County

HH 195 - Peters Creek Twp., pages 81& 82, 12 Aug.
Portus, William, age 60, male, cabinet maker, born NC, cannot read and write
, Edith, age 31, female, born VA, cannot read and write
, Alford W., age 2, male, born NC,
, Sally L., age 4/12, female, born NC


Surry County

HH 1257 - Rockfort Div., page 355, 29 Oct.
Portus, Ira, age 38, male, miller, born NC
, Mary, age 22, female, born NC, cannot read and write
, Robert, age 19, male, born NC
, Sarah, age 3, female, born NC
, Rebecca, age 1, female, born NC


1860

Granville County

HH 645 - Abrams Plains Dist., page 393, 31 Aug.
Johnson, Rebecca, age 65, female, mul., born VA
Paithress, Edward, age 85,? female,? mul., overseer, value per. Est. 300,
born VA
, Mahaly, age 53, female, born VA


North Hampton County

HH 105 - of Allen Turner, Gaston Twp., page 121, 13 June
Portch, Lovel, age 20, male, mul., (blank) born NC
, Amanda, age 20, female, mul., born NC
?Olamid, Nat, age 10/12, male, mul., $400 real estate, $600 per. Estate, born
NC


HH 110 - Gaston Twp., page 122, 14 June
Portess, Sterling, age 25, male, mul., farmhand, $25 per. Est., born NC
, Elizabeth, age 18, female, mul., born NC





1860 Northampton Cont.
Page 7

HH 133 - of John Bass, Gaston Twp., page 124,15 June
Portess, Julia, age 40, female, mul., born NC
, Elizabeth, age 14, female, mul., born NC
, Mary, age 9, female, mul., born NC

HH 202 - of Rich Edwards, Gaston Twp., page 132, 18 June
Portis, Joseph, age 18, male, mul, farmhand, born NC

HH 575 - House of Paupers, Jackson PO, page 170, 23 July
Portiss, Ceily, age 65, female, black, born (not listed)


Warren County

HH 205 - Warrenton PO, page 483,18 June

Cheek, M.H., age 78, male, farmer, value real est. 6700, value per. Est.
1700,
born Warren Co., NC
Poythress, M., age 20, female, born Warren Co., NC

HH 425 - Warrenton , page 510, 27 June
Poythress, D., age 53, male, overseer, value real est. 3000, born
Mecklenburg, VA, cannot read and write
, S.R., age 40, female, born Mecklenburg, VA
, G.W., age 19, male, born Mecklenburg, VA
, C.D., age 11, male, born Mecklenburg, VA
, L.M., age 7, female, born Mecklenburg, VA
, A.M., age 4, female, born Mecklenburg, VA

1870
Burke County

HH 78 - of James Yarborough, Icard Twp., page 12, 30 Aug.
Portus, Jennette, age 18, female, white, housekeeper, born NC

Guilford County

HH 47 - of Sarah Stanly, Friendship Twp, page 79, 1 July
Portiss, Elizabeth, age 53, female, white, born NC







1870 Cont.
Page 8


Nash County


HH 210 - Nashville PO, page 131,17 June
Porthis, John W., age 19, male, white, farmer, born NC, cannot read and write
, Ann E., age 27, female, white, born NC, cannot read or write
, John A., age 6/12, male, white, born NC
, Louvenia, age 15, female, white, born NC, cannot read and write
, Leah J., age 13, female, white, born NC, attends school
, Jefferson, age 8, male, white, born NC, attends school

Northampton County

HH 140 - Gaston Twp., page 521, 29 July
Pertress, ?Ira, age 28, male white, farm laborer, value per. Est. 110, born
NC,
cannot read and write
, Mary, age 25, female, white, born NC, cannot read and write
, Thomas, age 8/12, male, white, born NC

HH 202 - Gaston Twp., page 526, 1 Aug.
Pertress, Lovick, age 35, male, black, farm laborer, $100 Per.Est., born NC,
cannot read and write
, Amanda, age 25, female, black, farm laborer, born NC, cannot
read and write
, Louisa, age 10, female, black, attends school, born NC,
, Rosa, age 8, female, black, born NC
, ? S___, age 6, female, black, born NC
, Lanny, age 4/12, male, black, born NC in Jan.

HH 235 - of Richard Edwards, Gaston Twp., page 528,1 Aug.
Portriss, James, age 19, male, white, born NC, cannot read and write,
(no occupation listed)

HH 240 - of Allen ?Tunsaw, Gaston Twp., page 529,1 Aug
Partrey, Sterling, age 30, male, black, farm laborer, $30 Per. Est., born NC,
cannot read and write
, Elizabeth, age 24, female, black, born NC, cannot read and
write
, Adaline, age 12, female, black, attends school, cannot read
and write
, Richard, age 23, male, black, farm laborer, born NC, cannot
read and write
, Alla, age 19, female, black, farm laborer, born NC, cannot
read and write
, Charles, age 1, male, black, born NC		04/27/2003 6:00:18
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1870 Cont.
Page 9

Person County

HH 162 - Flat River Twp, pages 21& 22, 14 July
Poyetress, Geo. W., age 31, male, white, farm laborer, born VA, cannot read
or write
, Permelia, age 23, female, white, keeps house, born VA,
cannot read or write
, William J., age 8, male, white, born NC
, Robert, age 6, male, white, born NC
, Ella, age 4, female, white, born NC
, Simeon, age 2, male, white, born NC
, John B., age 3/12, male, white, born NC, in Feb
, Elizabeth, age 33, female, white, born VA, cannot read or
write

Warren County

HH 35 - Nutbush Twp., page 520, 8 June
Poythress, Chas. D., age 20 male, white, dry goods retail merchant, value
per. Est. 1000, born VA
Dortch, Oliver, age 26, male, white, clerk dry goods store, born VA

HH 41 - Nutbush Twp., page 521, 9 June
Poytess, Baily, age 16, male, white, mail carrier, born VA


HH 26 - Smith Creek Twp., page 640, 9 July
Poythress,? Delir, age 63, male, white, farmer, value per. Est. 300, born VA,

cannot read and write
, Sarah, age 45, female, white, born VA,
, Lucie, age 16, female, white, born VA
, Alice, age 12, female, white, born VA, attends school

1880

Chatham County

HH 287 - Baldwin Twp., page 34, ED 21, 3 June
Poythress, George W., white, male, age 43, married, farming, VA,VA, VA
, Permelia Susan, white, female, age 31, wife, married,
VA,VA,VA
, William, white, male, age 18, son, works on farm, attends
school, NC,VA,VA
, Robert Lee, white, male, age 16, son, works on farm,
attends school, NC,VA,VA
, Ella May, white, female, age 14, daughter, helps mother,
attends school,
NC,VA,VA


1880 HH of George W. Poythress Cont.
Page 10
, Simeon, white, male, age 12, son, works on farm, attends
school,
cannot write, born NC,VA,VA
, John, white, male, age 10, son, works on farm, cannot
write, NC, VA, VA
, Virginia, white, female, age 8, daughter, NC, VA, VA
, Thomas, white, male, age 6, son, NC, VA, VA
, Herbert H., white, male, age 4, son, NC, VA, VA
, Charles, white, male, age 2, son, NC, VA, VA
, Roberta, white, female, age 7/12, daughter, NC, VA, VA
Redmond, Thomas, white, male, age 19, nephew, NC, VA, VA


Franklin County

HH 124 - Louisburg Twp., page 665, ED 96, 10-11 June
Poythress, J. Ed., white, male, age 24, married, farmer, NC, NC, NC
, Betsie W., white, female, age 25, wife, married, NC, NC,
NC
, Jno. W., white, male, age 3, son, NC, NC, NC
, Joshus, white, male, age 1/12, son, NC, NC, NC

HH 200 - Louisburg Twp., page 669, ED 96,13 June
Poythress, Jno. L., white, male, age 50, married, farmer, VA, VA, VA
, T. Ann, white, female, age 42, wife, married, NC, NC, NC
, Fanny, white, female, age 16, daughter, cannot write, VA,
VA, NC
, John W., white, male, age 13, son, cannot write, NC, VA,
NC
, Joseph S., white, male, age 11, son, cannot write, NC, VA,
NC
, Otelia M., white, female, age 9, daughter, NC, VA, NC
, Alice O., white, female, age 5, daughter, NC, VA, NC
, Mary G., white, female, age 2, daughter, NC, VA, NC
Dickenson, Virginia, white, female age 21, daughter, widowed/divorced, VA,
VA, NC

Northampton County

HH 70 - Gaston Twp. page 226, ED 181, 3 June
Portris, Starlin, mul., male, age 52, married, farming, cannot read and
write,
NC, NC, NC
, Elizabeth, mul., female, age 37, wife, married, cannot read and
write,
NC, NC, NC
, Adlade, mul., female, age 19, daughter, widowed/divorced,
cannot read and write, NC, NC, NC
, Janett, mul., male, age 5, gr.son, NC, NC, NC
, Sidny, mul., male, age 3, gr.son, NC, NC, NC
Bass, Bug, mul., male, age 45, ? in-law, widowed/divorced, farm laborer,
cannot read and write, NC, NC, NC
, Charly, mul., male, age 12, ? in-law, farm laborer, cannot read
and write,
NC, NC, NC

1880 Northampton Cont.
Page 11

HH 74 - Gaston Twp., page 226, ED 181, 3 June
Portris, Lan, mul., male, age ?50, married, farmer, cannot read and write,
NC, NC, NC
, Mandy, mul., female, age 35, wife, married, cannot read and
write, NC, NC, NC
, Louise, mul., female, age 20, daughter, farm laborer, cannot
read and write,
NC, NC, NC
, Sallie, mul., female, age 18, daughter, farm laborer, cannot
read and write,
NC, NC, NC
, ?Harison, mul., male, age 12, son, farm laborer, NC, NC, NC
, Bettie, mul., female, age 9, daughter, NC, NC, NC
, Riner, mul., female, age 7, daughter, NC, NC, NC
, Peter, mul., male, age 2, son, NC, NC, NC
Scott, ?Proter, mul., male, age 25, son-in-law, married, cannot read and
write,
NC, NC, NC
, Johnie, mul., male, age 3, gr.son, NC, NC, NC

HH 75 - Gaston Twp., page 226, ED 181, 3 June
Portris, ?Worly, mul., male, age 40, married, farmer, cannot read and write,
NC, NC, NC
, Eliza, mul., female, age 38, wife, married, cannot read and
write, NC, NC, NC
, John, mul., male, age 9, son, farm laborer, NC, NC, NC
, Sam, mul., male, age 7, son, NC, NC, NC
, Sue, mul., female, age 5, daughter, NC, NC, NC

Warren County

HH 399- Nutbush Twp., page 45, ED 284,18 June
Poythress, India, white, female, age 27, married, NC, NC, NC
, Jimmie, white, male, age 8, son, attends school, NC, NC,
NC
, Johnnie, white, male, age 5, son, NC, NC, NC
, Charlie, white, male, age 3, son, NC, NC, NC
, Effie, white, female, age 1, daughter, NC, NC, NC
, Sallie, white, female, age ?66, mother, widowed/divorced,
VA, VA, VA
Collins, ?Bitey, black, female, age 30, servant, cook, cannot read and write,
NC, NC, NC





HH 122 - Smith Creek Twp., page 14, ED 283, date not given
Vaughn, N.D., white, male, age 40, farmer, ? cannot make out his
sickness/disability, NC, VA, VA
, Mary A., white, female, wife, age 40, VA, VA, VA
, Mary E., white, female, daughter, age 19, VA, VA, VA
, Lucy T., white, female, age 6/12, born in Dec., NC, VA, VA
Poythress, Wm., white, male, age 39, brother-in-law, works on farm, VA, VA,
VA

1900
Page 12
Alamance County

HH 243 - of Sidney ?Burch, Graham Twp., sheet 15B, ED 6,11 June
Paythrers, William, white, male, born Mar. 1864, age 36, married 16 yrs., NC,
NC, NC,
Agt. ?pianos, rents house
, Nannie, wife, white, female, born Apr. 1865, age 35,
married 16 yrs.,
4 children, 4 living, NC, NC, NC
, Leroy P., son, white, male, born Apr. 1884, age 16, NC,
NC, NC,
teamster
, Annie L., daughter, white, female, born Apr. 1887, age 13,
NC, NC, NC,
attends school
, Lebaron, son, white, male, born June 1888, age 11, NC, NC,
NC
, Lois, daughter, white, female, born Apr. 1900, age 1/12,
NC, NC, NC

Franklin County

HH 11 - Hayesville Twp., sheet 1B, ED 47,1 June
Poythress, Joseph, white, male, born Sept. 1869, age 30, married for 10 yrs.,

NC, VA, VA, farmer, rents farm
, Lucy, wife, white, female, born Sept. 1873, age 26,
married 10 yrs.,
4 children, 4 living, NC, NC, NC
, William, son, white, male, born Mar. 1892, age 8, NC, NC,
NC,
attends school
, Bunyon, son, white, male, born Dec. 1894, age 5, NC, NC,
NC
, George C., son, white, male, born May 1897, age 3, NC, NC,
NC
, Arthar, son, white, male, born Dec. 1898, age 1, NC, NC,
NC

HH 12 - Hayesville Twp., sheet 1B, ED 47,1 June
Poythress, John, white, male, born Aug. 1827, age 72, married 40 yrs., VA,
VA, VA, rents farm
, Bitha, wife, white, female, born Oct. 1834, age 65,
married 40 yrs., 2 children, 2 living, VA, VA, VA
, Otelia, daughter, white, female, born Apr. 1872, age 28,
widowed,
NC, VA, VA, farm laborer
, Pattie, daughter, white, female, born June 1881, age 18,
NC, VA, VA,
farm laborer

Northampton County

HH 28 - Gaston Twp., sheet 2A, ED 67, 6-7 June
Potress, Joseph ?Y., black, male, born Mar.1845, age ?53-63, married 30 yrs.,

NC, NC, NC, farm laborer, cannot read and write, rents
, Mary J., wife, white, female, born May 1846, age 54, married
30 yrs.,
15 children, 15 living, NC,NC,NC, cannot read and write		04/27/2003 6:12:05
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1900 HH of Joseph ?Y. Poythress Cont.
Page 13
, John W., son, black, male, born May 1885, NC, NC, NC, farm
laborer,
cannot read and write
, Willie H., son, black, male, born Apr.1890, age 10, NC, NC,
NC, farm laborer
cannot read and write
, Susan A., daughter, black, female, born ?Dec.1880, age 20,
single, 3 children,
3 living, NC, NC, NC, cannot read and write
Coller, Norfleet, gr.son, black, male, born Dec.1894, age 5, NC, NC, NC
, Avery G., gr.son, black, male, born Aug. 1899, age 9/12, NC, NC,
NC

HH 123 - Gaston Twp., sheet 7B, ED 67, 12-13 June
Potress, Richard, black, male, born Mar. 1846, age 54, married 32 yrs., NC,
NC, NC,
Farm, cannot read and write, rents farm
, Addie, wife, black, female, born June 1852, age 48, married 32
yrs.,
11 children, 11 living, NC, NC, NC, cannot read and write
, Willie, son, black, male, born May 1885, age 15, NC, NC, NC,
farm laborer,
, Sam, son, black, male, born May 1883, age 13, NC, NC, NC, farm
laborer
, ? Jannie, son, black, male, born Mar. 1894, age 6, NC, NC, NC

HH 185 - of Robert Robinson, Gaston Twp., sheet 10B, ED 67, 16 June
Potress, Joseph H., Boarder, white, male, born ?Apr. 1850, age 50, married 1
yr.,
NC, NC, NC, farm laborer, cannot read and write
, Hattie H., wife, white, female, born Mar.1870, age 30 married
1 yr.,
NC, NC, NC, cannot read and write

HH 187 - Gaston Twp., sheet 10B, ED 67,16 June
Potress, Charlie, black, male, born May 1869, age 31, married 2 yrs., NC, NC,
NC,
Farmer, rents farm
, Renia, wife, black, male (not typo), born June 1876, married 2
yrs. 1 child, l living,
NC, NC, NC
, ?Clannes, daughter, black, female, born Mar.1900, age 2/12, NC,
NC, NC

HH 188 - Gaston Twp., sheet 10B, ED 67,16 June
Potress, ?Jordia, black, female, born Apr.1877, age 23, NC, NC, NC,
cannot read and write, house

HH 198 - Gaston Twp., sheet 11A, ED 67,16 June
Potress, Love, black, male, born Feb.1843, age 57, married 38 yrs., NC, NC,
NC,
Farmer, cannot read and write, rents farm
, Mandy, wife, black, female, born Apr.1850, age 50, married 38
yrs. 7 children,
6 living, NC, NC, NC, cannot read and write
, Peter, son, black, male, born Jan.1879, age 21, NC, NC, NC,
farm laborer,
cannot read and write


1900 Northampton Cont.
Page 14

HH 199- Gaston Twp., sheet 11A, ED 67,16 June
Potress, Horrise, black, male, born Feb.1867, age 33, married 15 yrs., NC,
NC, NC
Farmer, rents farm
, Laura, wife, black, female, born Dec.1867, age 32, married 15
yrs., 4 children,
4 living, NC, NC, NC
, Stephen, son, black, male, born Mar. 1888, age 12, NC, NC, NC,
farm laborer, cannot read and write
, Brutus, son, black, male, born Jan. 1890, age 10, NC, NC, NC,
farm laborer, cannot read and write
, Mammie, daughter, black, female, born Apr.1892, age 8, NC, NC,
NC,
, Fate, son, black, male, born Oct. 1898, age 1, NC, NC, NC

HH 206 - Gaston Twp., sheet 11B, ED 67,18 June
Portress, Thomas, black, male, born Oct.1869, age 30, married 10 yrs., NC,
NC, NC, merchant, house
, Bettie A., wife, black, female, born Nov.1872, age 27,
married 10 yrs.,
4 children, 4 living, NC, NC, NC
, McArnold, son, black, male, born Feb.1893, age 7, NC, NC, NC
, Warron, son, black, male, born Dec 1894, age 6, NC, NC, NC
, ?Terry, son, black, male, born June 1899, age 11/12, NC, NC,
NC


Orange County

HH 361 - Chapel Hill Twp., sheet 18B, ED 67, 19 June
Poythress, Simeon, white, male, born Nov. 1867, age 32, married 2 years, NC,
NC, NC, farmer, rents farm
, Ola S., wife, white, female, born Nov. 1880, age 19,
married 2 years,
NC, NC, NC


HH 407 - Chapel Hill Twp. sheet 21A, ED 67, 21 June
Poythress, Robert ?C., white, male, born Nov. 1869, age 36, married 15 years,

NC, NC, NC, farmer, rents farm
, Josie M., wife, white, female, born May 1861, age 39,
married 15 years,
8 children, 8 living, NC, NC, NC
, Esther Rae, daughter, white, female, born Dec.1885, age
14,
NC, NC, NC, farm laborer, attends school
, Johnie W., son, white, male, born Oct. 1887, age 12,
NC, NC, NC, farm laborer, attends school
, Marvin, son, white, male, born Jan. 1889, age 11,
NC, NC, NC, farm laborer, attends school
, Oliver S., son, white, male, born Nov. 1891, age 8, NC,
NC, NC,
attends school


1900 HH of Robert Poythress Cont.
Page 15
, Furman, son, white, male, born Apr. 1892, age 8,
NC, NC, NC
, ?Leza P., son, white, male, born Dec. 1894, age 5,
NC, NC, NC
, Mary S., daughter, white, female, born Dec.1896, age 3,
NC, NC, NC
, James C., son, white, male, born June 1898, age 1 11/12
NC, NC, NC

1910
Alamance County

HH 154 - Graham Twp., sheet 8A, ED 8, 21 Apr.
Poythress, William, male, white, age 48, married 23 yrs., VA, VA, VA,
commercial ?(maybe pianos), wage, rents house
, Nannie, wife, female, white, age 46, married 23 yrs., 5
children, 5 living,
NC, NC, NC,
, Labarion, son, male, white, age 20, NC, VA, NC,
operater/cotton mill, wage
, Lois, daughter, female, white, age 10, NC, VA, NC, attends
school
, Thomas, son, male, white, age 8, NC, VA, NC, attends
school

Columbus County

HH 91 - of ?Ishan Hinson, Whitesville Twp., sheet 6B, line 66, ED 39, date 19
Apr.
Poytress, John, boarder, male, white, age 45, NC, NC, NC, laborer/working
land, wage

Durham County

HH 319 - Durham Town, sheet 12A, ED 37, 21 Apr.
Poythrass, John A., male, white, age 35, married (yrs. not given), NC, NC,
NC, showman/moving pictures, own account, rents house
, Effie L., wife, female, white, age 28, married (yrs. not
given), 5 children,
3 living, NC, NC, NC
, John A. Jr., son, male, white, age 5, NC, NC, NC
, Charles D., son, male, white, age ?5, NC, NC, NC
, Willis E., son, male, white, age 7/12, NC, NC, NC

HH 319 - of Walter Wilkerson, Durham Twp., sheet 18B, ED 30, 2 May
Poythress, Harry M., son-in-law, male, white, age 35, married 3 yrs., NC, NC,
NC, Tailor/men's clothing, wage
, Beulah, daughter, female, white, age 21, married 3 yrs., 2
children, 2 living,
NC, NC, NC
, Adle, gr.daughter, female, white, age 2, NC, NC, NC
, Walter, gr.son, male, white, age 4/12, NC, NC, NC

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Franklin County

HH 85 - Louisburg Twp., sheet 24A, ED 30, 20 May
Poythress, John W., male, white, age 32, widowed, NC, NC, NC, farmer/general
farm,
Own account, rent farm
, Josh, father, male, white, age 56, married 33 yrs., NC,
NC, NC
, Bettie, mother, female, white, age ?57, married 33 yrs.,
10 children,
9living, NC, NC, NC
, Annie, sister, female, white, age 17, NC, NC, NC
, Gladis, daughter, female, age 7, NC, NC, NC

HH 117 - of Willis Boone, Louisburg Twp., sheet 26A, ED 30, 23 May
Poythress, Rufus, servant, male, white, age 24, NC, NC, NC, farm labor, wage
, Amanda, mother-in-law, female, white, age 79, widowed, 9
children,
3 living, NC, NC, NC, own income

Nash County

HH 78 - Red Oak Twp., sheet 5B, ED 74, 25 Apr.
Poythress, Ernest F., male, white, age 28, married 6 yrs., NC, NC, NC,
Farmer/general farm, own account, rent farm
, Lizzie, wife, female, white, age 23, married 6 yrs., 2
children, 2 living,
NC, NC, NC
, ?Tonie, daughter, female, white, age 4, NC, NC, NC
, Gleason, son, male, white, age 2, NC, NC, NC

Northampton County

HH 113 - Gaston Twp., sheet 10A, ED 75, 16 May
Paythress, Charlie, male, mul., age 40, married 11 yrs., NC, NC, NC,
Farmer/home farm, employer, rents farm
, ?Annie, wife, female, mul., age 40, married 11 yrs., 3
children, 2 living,
NC, NC, NC
, Clanton M., son, male, mul., age 10, NC, NC, NC,
laborer/home farm, wage,
attends school
, ?Peeris G., son, male, mul., age 8, NC, NC, NC,

HH 114 - Gaston Twp., sheet 10A, ED 75, 16 May
Paythress, Hall, male, mul., age 29, NC, NC, NC, farmer/home farm, employer,
cannot read and write
, Lovan, father, male, mul., age 65, married 46 yrs., NC,
NC, NC, laborer/home farm, wage, cannot read and write
, Amandy, mother, female, mul., age 65, married 46 yrs., 6
children,
5 living, NC, NC, NC, cannot read and write		04/27/2003 6:42:58
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HH 115 - Gaston Twp., sheet 10A, ED 75, 16 May
Poythress, Horrace, male, mul., age 41, widowed, NC, NC, NC, farmer/home
farm,
Employer, rents farm
, Stephen, son, male, mul., age 16, NC, NC, NC,
laborer/home farm, wage,
attends school
, Brutus, son, male, mul., age 15, NC, NC, NC, laborer/home
farm, wage
cannot read and write
, Mamie, daughter, female, mul., age 9, NC, NC, NC,
laborer/home farm,
wage, attends school
, Fate, son, male, mul., age 12, NC, NC, NC, laborer/home
farm, wage,
cannot read and write
, Elmo D., son, male, mul., age 9, NC, NC, NC,
, Essie, daughter, female, mul., age 5, NC, NC, NC
, Edumond, son, male, mul., age 3, NC, NC, NC

HH 116 - Gaston Twp., sheet 10A, ED 75, 16 May
Paythrers, Richard, male, mul., age 36, married 16 yrs., NC, NC, NC,
farmer/home farm, cannot read and write, rents farm
, Laura B., wife, female, mul., age 34, married 16 yrs., 5
children 5 living,
NC, NC, NC, cannot read and write
, Wallis, son, male, mul., age 15, NC, NC, NC, laborer/home
farm, wage, cannot write
, Mary G., daughter, female, mul., age 12, NC, NC, NC,
laborer/home farm,
wage, attends school
, ?Enasua D., daughter, female, mul., age 9, NC, NC, NC,
attends school
, Joe, son, male, mul., age 6, NC, NC, NC, attends school
, Sue, daughter, female, mul., age 1, NC, NC, NC

HH 117 - Gaston Twp., sheet 10A, ED 75, 16 May
Peters, Mary, female, mul, age 76, widowed, NC, NC, NC, own income,
cannot read and write, owns farm
Poythress, James A., son-in-law, male, mul., age 37, married 16 yrs., NC, NC,
NC,
Carpenter, own account, cannot read and write
, Mary A., daughter, female, mul., age 39, married 16 yrs.,
NC, NC, NC,
cannot read and write
, Pelie, gr.son, male, mul., age 14, NC, NC, NC, cannot read
and write
, Magoline, gr.daughter, female, mul., age 12, NC, NC, NC
cannot write

HH 120 - of ?Jeteriah Turner, Gaston Twp., sheet 10A, ED 75, 16 May
Paythress, Bessie, gr.daughter, female, mul. age 5 NC, NC, NC



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Orange County

HH 96 - Chapel Hill Twp., sheet 19B, ED 138, 21 Apr.
Poryghress, Simon E., male, white, age 42, married 11 years, NC,NC,NC,
farmer, general farm, employer, rents farm
, ?Olra, wife, female, white, age 29, married 11 years, 3
children, 3 living,
NC,NC,NC, farmer, home farm, wage
, Whitney, son, male, white, age 9, NC,NC, NC, farmer,
home farm, wage, attends school
, Dewy, son, male, white, age 7, NC,NC,NC, attends school
, Franklin, son, male, white, age 5, NC,NC,NC

HH 97 - Chapel Hill Twp., sheet 19B, ED 138, 21 Apr.
Poryghress, Robert F., male, white, age 46, married 25 years, NC, NC, NC,
farmer, general farm, employer, rents farm
, Josie, wife, white, female, age 47, married 25 years, 8
children, 8 living, NC, NC, NC, farmer, home farm, wage
, Ester, daughter, white, female, age 24, NC, NC, NC,
farmer, home farm, wage
, John, son, white, male, age 22, NC, NC, NC, farmer,
home farm, wage, attends school
,?Markus, son, white, male, age 21, NC, NC, NC, farmer,
home farm, wage, attends school
, Alex, son, white, male, age 19, NC, NC, NC, farmer,
home farm, wage, attends school
, Furman, son, white, male, age 17, NC, NC, NC, farmer,
home farm, wage, attends school
, Leanny, daughter, white, female, age 16, NC, NC, NC,
farmer, home farm, wage, attends school
, Mary, daughter, white, female, age 14, NC, NC, NC,
farmer,
home farm, wage, attends school
, James, son, white, male, age 11, NC, NC, NC, farmer
home farm, wage, attends school


Scotland County

HH 264 - of C. J. Caulder, Laurinburg Town, sheet 14A, 26 Apr.
Paythress, Ray L., son-in-law, male, white, age 24, married 6 yrs., NC, NC,
NC,
Driver/livery stable, wage
, Berta, daughter, female, white, age 22, married 6 yrs., 2
children,
2 living, SC, SC, SC
, Geneva, gr.daughter, female, white, age 4, NC, NC, SC
, Nebraska, gr.son, male, white, age 2, SC, NC, SC

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Vance County


HH 123 - Henderson, sheet 21A, ED 83, 20 Apr.
Poyshress, James S., male, white, age 39, married 17 years, NC, VA, NC,
merchant, ?coal and building, own account, own home, free
, Mary E., wife, female, white, age 34, married 17 years, 2
children, 2 living, Canada, ?Canada, ?Ireland
, Henry P., son, male, white, age 16, NC, NC, Canada,
attends school
, Charles D., son, male, white, age 14, NC, NC, Canada,
attends school

HH 155 - Henderson, sheet 24B, 85-87, ED 83, 21 Apr.
Poyshress, ? India, female, white, age 58, widowed, 6 children, 4 living,
NC,NC,NC, dressmaker, wage, owns home, free
, Effie, daughter, female, white, age 30, NC, VA, NC,
dressmaker, wage,
, Benjamin, son, male, white, age 22, NC, VA, NC, ?
book(something), Real Estate Co., wage

Wake County

HH 260 - of Jacob Hagwood, Raleigh City, sheet 15A, 29 Apr.
Paythress, Addie, boarder, female, white, age 23, NC, NC, NC, cotton mill,
wage

Wayne County

HH 73 - Goldsboro City, sheet 4B, 18 Apr.
Patris, J.T., male, white, age 32, married 2 yrs., NC, NC, NC, painter/house,

own account, own/free/house
, J.T. Mrs., wife, female, white, age 30, married 2 yrs., NC, NC,
NC



1920
Alamance County

HH 157 - Graham Twp., sheet 7B & 8A, ED 9, 28 Feb.
Webster, Rudie, rents, male, white, age 30, married, NC, NC, NC,
mechanic/contractor own account
, Annie ?C., wife, female, white, age 30, married, NC, NC, NC
Poythress, Nanie, mother, female, white, age 56, widowed, NC, NC, NC


Cabarrus County

HH - Stonewall Jackson School, Twp., sheet 17A, ED 53, 9 Jan
Poythress, James, Inmate, male, white, age 14, attends school, NC,NC,NC


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Columbus County

HH 22 - of Orrin Richardson, Whitehall Twp. sheet 1B, ED 43, 3 Feb.
Poythress, John B., boarder, male, black, age 57, VA,VA,VA, laborer, mill,
wage




Franklin County

HH 257 - Cedar Rock, sheet 14B, ED 21, 7 April
Porythress, Earnest, male, white, age 39, married, NC,NC,NC, farmer/general
farm, own account

, Lissie, wife, female, white, age 34, married, NC, NC, NC
, Lois, daughter, female, white, age 13, attends school,
NC, NC, NC
, Glover, son, male, white, age 11, attends school, NC, NC,
NC, farm laborer
, Louise, daughter, female, white, age 7, NC, NC, NC
, Mavis, daughter, female, white, age 5, NC, NC, NC

HH 111 - Harris Twp. sheet 7B, ED 30, 10-12 Jan.
Paythress, John W., rents, male, white, age 42, married, NC, NC, NC,
farmer/general farm, employer
, Miley, wife, female, white, age 36, married, NC,NC,NC
, Gladys, daughter, female, white, age 17, NC, NC, NC,
operator/telephone, wage
, Forrest, daughter, female, white, age 5, NC, NC, NC
, John F., son, male, white, age 3 1/12, NC, NC, NC
, Raymon, son, male, white, age 11/12, NC, NC, NC

HH 211 - Harris Twp., ED 30, sheet 13A, 20 Jan.
Poythress, Rufus H., rents, male, white, age 33, married, NC, VA, NC,
farmer/general farm, employer
, ? Euvire, wife, female, white, age 35, married, NC, NC, NC
, Bettie, mother, female, white, age 65, widow, NC, NC, NC


HH 212 - Harris, ED 30, sheet 13A, 20 Jan.
Poythress, George W., rents, male, white, age 37, married, NC, VA, NC,
farmer/general farm, employer
, Maud, wife, female, white, age 31, married, NC, NC, NC
, Edward A., son, male, white, age 9, attends school, NC,
NC, NC
, Ruth, daughter, female, white, age 7, attends school, NC,
NC, NC
, George W., son, male, white, age 2 9/12, NC, NC, NC		04/27/2003 6:50:33
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Page 21


HH 165 - of George Murphy, Louisburg Twp., ED 34, sheet 9B, 8 Jan.
Poythress, Gladys, boarder, female, white, age 17, NC, NC, NC,
operator/telephone, wage


HH 287 - Louisburg Twp., sheet 15B, ED 34, 12 Jan.
Poythress, John, rents, male, mul., age 33, married, NC, NC, NC,
laborer/garage, wage
, Anna, wife, female, mul., age 33, married, NC, NC, NC,
cannot read and write

Mecklenburg County

HH 69 - Charlotte Twp., sheet 5B, ED 153, 6 Jan.
Poythress, Josie, owns free, female, white, age 58, widow, NC, NC, NC,


, ? Esther, daughter, female, white, age 32, NC, NC, NC,
stenographer/A.B.telephone, wage
, ? Leasy, son, male, white, age 25, NC, NC, NC, salesman,
wage
, Mary, daughter, female, white, age 22, NC, NC, NC,
stenographer/office, wage

Nash County

HH 72 - of James R. Joyner, Nashville Twp. sheet 5A, ED 80, 25 Jan.
Poytress, Eva, rents, female, white, age 53, widowed, NC, NC, NC
Leonard, Fannie R., daughter, female, white, age 26, widowed, NC, NC, NC
, Edgar S., nephew, male, white, age 17, NC, NC, NC,
farmer/home farm
Northampton County

HH 254 - Gaston Twp., sheet 15A, ED 72, 3 Feb.
Portress, C. L., owns free, male, black, age 51, married, NC, NC, NC, general
farm
, ?Rosana, wife, female, black, age 38, married, NC,NC, NC,
, Calner, son, male, black, age 20, NC, NC, NC, labor/farm
, Perry J., son, male, black, age 16, NC, NC, NC, labor/farm
, Richard, father, male, black, age 73, widowed, NC, NC, NC,
general farm

HH 273 - Gaston Twp. sheet 15B, ED 72, 3 Feb.
Portress, B. L., rents, male, black, age 34, married, NC, NC, NC, general
farm
, Jessie, wife, female, black, age 30, married, NC, NC, NC
, Lucie, daughter, female, black, age ?5, NC, NC, NC




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Page 22

Orange County

HH 68 - Chapel Hill Twp., sheet 3B & 4A, ED 180, 5 Jan.
Poythress, Simeon E., rents, male, white, age 53, married, NC, NC, NC,
groceryman/retail, own account
, ? Ora S., wife, female, white, age 39, married, NC, NC, NC
, Whitney F., son, male, white, age 19, NC, NC, NC,
delivery boy/grocery store, wage
, Dewey H., son, male, white, age 17, attends school, NC,
NC, NC
, Franklin B., son, male, white, age 15, NC, NC, NC,
driver/Xpress wagon, wage
, Thelma L., daughter, female, white, age 5 2/12, NC, NC, NC
Cannada, Sarah, mother-in-law, female, white, age 58, widow, NC, NC, NC
, Herbert S., brother-in-law, male, white, age ? 22 or 32, NC,
NC, NC,
fountain boy/drug store, wage



HH 185 - Chapel Hill Twp., sheet 9A, ED 178, 11 March
Poythress, John W., rents, male, white, age 32, married, NC, NC, NC,
farmer, own account
, ?( Illegible), female, white, age 29, NC, NC, NC



HH - 237, Chapel Hill Twp., sheet 12B, ED 178, 17 March
Poythress, R. Furman owns, mortgage, male, white, age 27, married, NC, NC,
NC, farmer/general farm, owns account
, Elba, wife, female, white, age 27, married, VA, VA, VA,
, Robert, son, male, white, age 1 7/12, NC, NC, NC



Scotland County

HH 148 - Williamsons Twp., sheet 7B, ED 141, no date given
Poythress, ? Roy, male, white, age 35, married, NC, NC, NC, painter/public,
wage
, Bertha, wife, female, white, age 32, married, NC, NC, NC,
, Geneva, daughter, female, white, age 14, attends school,
NC, NC, NC
, Nebraska, son, male, white, age 12, attends school, NC,
NC, NC
, Woodrow, son, male, white, age 7, attends school, NC, NC,
NC
, Roy Jr., son, male, white, age 5, NC, NC, NC
, Thomas, son, male, white, age 3/12, NC, NC, NC


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Page 23

Vance County

HH 14 - of Earnest Grissom, Henderson Twp., sheet 1B, ED 90, 5 Jan.
Poythress, Tom, boarder, male, white, age 52, married, NC, NC, NC,
mill work/cotton mill, wage


HH 401 - Henderson Twp., sheet 3B, ED 94, 13 Jan.
Poythress, India, owns free, female, white, age 67, widow, NC, NC, NC
, Effie, daughter, female, white, age 34, NC, NC, NC,
sales lady/dry goods, salary


HH 89 - Henderson Twp., sheet 5A., ED 94, 14 Jan.
Poythress, Mary, owns free, female, white, age 49, widow, year of immigration
1882, naturalization 1892, Canada, Scotland, mother tongue Scotch, Ireland,
mother tongue Irish
, Pirie, son, male, white, age 25, married, NC, NC, Canada,
merchant, employer
, Janie, daughter-in-law, female, white, age 23, married,
NC, NC, NC,
, Mary A., grand daughter, female, white, age 11/12, NC, NC,
NC
, Charles, son, male, white, age 24, NC, NC, Canada,
merchant, employer

HH 211 - Kittrell Twp., sheet 12A, ED 96, 23-24 Jan.
Poythress, Arthur H., rents, male, white, age 21, NC, NC, NC, farmer/general
farm, own account
, Annie R., wife, female, white, age 21, NC, NC, NC



HH 253 - Kittrell Twp., sheet 14A, ED 96, 27-28 Jan.
Poythress, Lucy, rents, female, white, age 46, widow, NC, NC, NC,
farmer/general, own account
, Cyrus T., son, male, white, age 19, NC, NC, NC,
laborer/home farm,
, Joseph A., son, male, white, age 17, NC, NC, NC,
laborer/home farm
, Clyde L., son, male, white, age 14, attends school, NC,
NC, NC, laborer/home farm
, Philip B., son, male, white, age 12, attends school, NC,
NC, NC, laborer/home farm
, Alma B., daughter, female, white, age 10, attends school,
NC, NC, NC, laborer/home farm


1920 Cont.
Page 24

Wayne County

HH 60 - of Eason, New Hope Twp., sheet 4A, ED 122, 1&2 Apr.
Poythress, Mrs. C.W., sister, female, white, age 34, married, NC, NC, NC,
, Mr. C.W., brother-in-law, male white, age 45, married, NC,
NC, NC, laborer/general farm



Wilson County

HH 164 - of Ada Meren, Taylor Twp., sheet 9A, ED 107, 20-21 Jan.
Porytress, Alma, daughter, female, white, age 18, married, NC, NC, NC,
, Fran, gr.daughter, female, white, age 1 9/12, NC, NC, NC

HH 172 - Wilson Twp., sheet 11B, ED 115, 15 Jan.
Poythress, James T., rents, male, white, age 50, married, NC, NC, NC,
manager/hardware, wage
, Elizabeth A., wife, female, white, age 48, married, NC,
NC, NC
, Ross M., son, male, white, age 25, NC, NC, NC
, Clarence M., son, male, white, age 23, NC, NC, NC
, Marion M., son, male, white, age 21, NC, NC, NC
, Tanner M., son, male, white, age 19, NC, NC, NC
, Sallie M., daughter, female, white, age 12, attends
school, NC, NC, NC

, Haywood M., son, male, white, age 9, attends school, NC,
NC, NC
, Luther M., son, male, white, age 7, attends school, NC,
NC, NC
, Allison M., son, male, white, age 5, NC, NC, NC

1930
Alamance County

HH 319 - Burlington City, sheet 20B & 21A, ED 21, no date given
Poythress, Baron D., rents $9 monthly, male, white, age 40, married at age
31,
NC, NC, NC, laborer/restaurant, wage
, Mattie E., wife, female, white, age 38, married at age 29,
NC, NC, NC,
, Frank, son, male, white, age 7, GA, NC, GA
, Helen, daughter, female, white, age 6, NC, NC, GA
, Irene, daughter, female, white, age 5, NC, NC, GA
, Florence, daughter, female, white, age 3 11/12, NC, NC, GA
, Shelton, son, male, white, age 9/12, NC, NC, GA		04/27/2003 6:55:41
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Page 25

HH 122 - Burlington City, sheet 8B, ED 20, 9 Apr.
Bass, Oscar A., rents, $30 monthly, male, white, age 39, married at age 27,
NC, NC, NC, proprietor/café, employer, WW Veteran
, Lois Z., wife, female, white, age 29, married at age 17,
NC, NC, NC,
, ?Zenshak L., daughter, female, white, age 11, attends school, NC,
NC, NC
, Francies N., daughter, female, white, age 10, attends school, GA,
NC, NC
, Warren F., son, male, white, age 8, attends school, born GA, NC, NC
, Oscar A. Jr., son, male, white, age 6, attends school, NC, NC, NC
Poythress, Nannie, mother-in-law, female, white, age 62, NC, NC, NC



Chatham County

HH 312 - Baldwin Twp., sheet 16B, ED 2, 29 Apr.
Poythress, James C., owns, male, white, age 33, married at age 21, NC, NC,
NC, farmer/general farm, owns account
, ?Flonnie, wife, female, white, age 38, married at age 25,
NC, NC, NC
, Lizbeth, daughter, female, white, age 10, attends school,
NC, NC, NC
, James B., son, male, white, age 8, attends school, NC, NC,
NC
, ?H. Shelton, son, male, white, age 7, attends school, NC,
NC, NC
, Colleen, daughter, female, white, age 4 9/12, NC, NC, NC
Daniel, Gaston, uncle, male, white, age ?79, NC, NC, NC

Duplin County

HH 138 - Warsaw Twp., sheet 8A, ED 27, 12 Apr.
Poythress, ?William, rents, male, white, age 45, married at age 28,
cannot read and write, NC, NC, NC, farmer/general farm, employer,
, Mahala, wife, female, white, age 35, married at age 17,
NC, NC, NC
, ?Oliver W., son, male, white, age 16, attends school, NC,
NC, NC
, Marrion, son, male, white, age 14, NC, NC, NC



, ? Ad, son, male, white, age 13, attends school, NC, NC,
NC
, Jessie W., daughter, female, white, age ?8, attends
school, NC, NC, NC


, Mary B., daughter, female, white, age 6, attends school,
NC, NC, NC
, Virginia J., daughter, female, white, age 5, NC, NC, NC
, Joseph G., son, male, white, age 2, NC, NC, NC
, Edward P., son, male, white, age 1 4/12, NC, NC, NC









1930 Cont.
Page 26

Franklin County

HH 151 - of William Rogers, Hayesville Twp., sheet 9A, ED 14, no date given
Paythress, Arthur H., son-in-law, male, white, age 31, married at age 21, NC,
NC, NC, farm laborer/general farm, WW Veteran
, Annie M., daughter, female, white, age 31, married at age
21, NC, NC, NC
, Arther H., gr. son, male, white, age 9, attends school,
NC, NC, NC
, Ralph J., gr.son, male, white, age 6, attends school, NC,
NC, NC

HH 192 - Harris Twp., sheet 11B, ED 12, 16 Apr.
Poythress, John W., mortgage, male, white, age 52, married at age 24, NC, NC,
NC, farmer/general farm, owns account
, Miley, wife, female, white, age 43, married at age 29, NC,
NC, NC
, Forest, son, male, white, age 15, attends school, NC, NC,
NC
, Fredrick, son, male, white, age 13, attends school, NC,
NC, NC
, Raymon, son, male, white, age 11, attends school, NC, NC,
NC
, Elizabeth, daughter, female, white, age 8, NC, NC, NC
, Edna, daughter, female, white, age 6, NC, NC, NC
, Leon, son, male, white, age 3 1/12, NC, NC, NC

HH Home the Aged and Infirmed - Louisburg Twp., sheet 20A, ED 16, 4 Apr.
Poythress, Wiley, male, neg., age 85, married, NC, NC, NC
, Mary, female, neg, age 80, married, NC, NC, NC


HH 158- Louisburg Twp., sheet 7B, ED 15, 7 Apr.
Perry, Eva, rents $10 monthly, female, white, age 40, widowed, NC, VA, NC,
sews/private families, owns account
, Wilma, daughter, female, white, age 20, NC, NC, NC
Poythress, Elizabeth ?R., mother, female, white, age 76, widowed, NC, NC, NC





Granville County

HH Oxford Orphanage - sheets 1B, 2A, 3B, 4B, 7 Apr.
Poythress, Clara, inmate, female, white, age 7, attends school, NC, NC, NC
, Elizabeth, inmate, female, white, age 8, attends school,
NC, NC, NC
, Lucy, inmate, female, white, age 10, attends school, NC,
NC, NC
, George C. inmate, male, white, age 5, NC, NC, NC
, Lewis, inmate, male, white, age 12, attends school, NC,
NC, NC


1930 Cont.
Page 27

Halifax County

HH NC State Prison Farm - Caledonia Twp., sheet 4B, ED 15, 6 Apr.
Poythress, John, prisoner, male, white, age 51, married at age 29, cannot
read and write,
VA, VA,VA, farm laborer, wage

HH 99 - of Al Eason, Roanoke Rapids Twp., sheet 7B, ED 24, 8 Apr.
Poythress, Essie, boarder, female, white, age 22, NC, NC, NC
Laborer/cotton mill, wage

HH 216 - of Alga & Dora Peters,Weldon Twp, sheet 10B, ED 33, 10 Apr.
Poythress, Sanford, brother-in-law, male, white, age 21, cannot read and
write,
NC, NC, NC, laborer/farm, wage

Martin County

HH 348 - Williamston Twp., sheet 21B, ED 22, 29 Apr.
Poythress, Rufus, rents, male, white, age 42, married at age 30, NC, NC, NC
farmer/general farm, owns account
, Ennie, wife, female, white, age 46, married at age 32, NC,
NC, NC
, Jewel, daughter, female, white, age 8, attends school, NC,
NC, NC



Mecklenburg County

HH 230- Charlotte Twp., sheet 14A, ED 28, 11 Apr.
Poythress, Esther, owns, val. of home 6000, female, white, age 38, NC, NC,
NC, stenographer/telephone, wage
, Mary, sister, female, white, age 28, NC, NC, NC
deputy clerk/court house, wage

Northampton County

Gaston Twp.,Sheet 3B, ED 2 (Viewer not working for this page)
Poythress, Harris R., neg., age 59
, Rosa C., wife, neg., age 35
, Calvin, son, neg., age 6
, Beutra, daughter, neg., age 3
, Robert, son, neg., age 1 2/12





1930 Northampton County Cont.
Page 28

Sheet 12B, ED 2 (Viewer not working for this page)
Poythress, Clamor, neg., age 23
, Mattie M.,wife, neg., age 17
, Mary L., sister, neg., age 16
, Jessie J., brother, neg., age 21

HH 208 - Gaston Twp., sheet 13A, ED 2, 12 April
Poythress, Hall, owns/farm, male, neg., age 50, widowed, NC,NC,NC, farmer/gen
farm,
Owns account
, Linda, daughter, neg., age 10
Scott, Lou, sister, female, neg., age 60, widowed, NC,NC,NC


HH 209 - Gaston Twp., sheet 13A, ED 66, 12 Apr.
Poythress, Charlie L., owns/farm, male, neg., age 60, married at age ?26,
NC,NC,NC,
Farmer/gen. farm, owns account
, Riner, wife, female, neg., age 43, married at age 18,
NC,NC,NC
, Loyd, son, male, neg. age 8, attends school, NC,NC,NC


Orange County

HH 5 - of W.D.&Ruth Stuart, Chapel Hill Twp., sheet 1A, ED 6, 2 Apr.
Poythress, Frank, rents, $35 monthly, male, white, age 26, married at age 19,

NC, NC, NC, manager/golf club, wage
, Magnolia, wife, female, white, age 26, married at age 19,
NC, NC, NC
, Eliza, daughter, female, white, age 5, NC, NC, NC
, Frances, daughter, female, white, age 2, NC, NC, NC

HH 6 - Chapel Hill Twp., sheet 1A, ED 6, 2 Apr.
Poythress, S.E., owns, val. of home 3200, male, white, age 63, married at age
31,
NC, NC, NC, agent/insurance, wage
, Ola, wife, female, white, age 49, married at age 18, NC,
NC, NC
NC
, Dewey, son, male, white, age 27, NC, NC, NC,
checker/laundry, wage
, Thelma, daughter, female, white, age 15, attends school,
NC, NC, NC

HH 10 - Chapel Hill Twp., sheet 1A, ED 6, 2 Apr.
Poythress, W.F., rents $25 monthly, male, white, age 29, married at age 20,
NC, NC, NC, sorter/laundry, wage
, Lillie, female, white, age 27, married at age 18, NC, NC,
NC
, W.F. Jr., son, male, white, age 7, attends school, NC, NC,
NC		04/27/2003 7:02:48
North Carolina Census - Part 8Poythress In The Census - North Carolina - Part 8

1930 Orange Cont.
Page 29

HH 97 - Chapel Hill Twp., sheet 5B, ED 8, 8 Apr.
Poythress, Cameron, ?gr.son, male, white, age 9, attends school, NC, VA,VA
, ?Harmon, male, white, age 37, married at age 24, NC,NC,NC,
farmer/general farm, owns account
, ?Ila, wife, female, white, age 37, married at age 24, VA,
VA, VA
, Robert, son, male, white, age 11, attends school, NC, NC,
VA
, Darell, son, male, white, age 9, attends school, NC, NC,
VA
, Marvin, son, male, white, age ?., NC, NC, VA

Scotland County


HH 393 - Laurinburg Twp., sheet 19B, ED 7, 21 Apr.
Poythress, Leroy, rents, male, white, age 43, married at age 18, NC, NC, NC,
painter/building, owns account
, Bertha, wife, female, white, age 42, married at age 17,
SC, NC, SC,
, Nebraska, son, male, white, age 22, SC, NC, SC,
painter/building, owns account
, Woodrow, son, male, white, age 17, SC, NC, SC,
delivery man/western union, wage
, Thomas, son, male, white, age 14, NC, NC, SC
, Roy, son, male, white, age 12, attends school, NC, NC, SC
, Virginia, daughter, female, white, age 9, attends school,
NC, NC, SC
, Roberta, daughter, female, white, age 7, attends school,
NC, NC, SC
, Jack, son, male, white, age 4 1/12, NC, NC, SC

Vance County

HH 93 - Henderson Twp., sheet 5A, ED 4, 3 Apr.
Poythress, Mary, owns, value of home 15,000, female, white, age 60,
Canada, Scotland, ? Neland,
, Charles, son, male, white, age 33, NC, NC, Canada,
salesman/groceries, wage
, Perry, son, male, white, age 35, NC, NC, Canada,
salesman/dry goods, wage
, Jones E., daughter-in-law, female, white, age 32, NC, VA,
VA,
, Mary, daughter, female, white, age 10, attends school, NC,
NC, NC
, Ann, daughter, female, white, age 7, attends school, NC,
NC, NC
Parham, Mabel, gr. daughter, female, white, age 10, NC, NC, NC



1930 Vance Cont.
Page 30

HH 633 - Henderson Twp. sheet 30B, ED 2,17 Apr.
Poythress, Lewis B., rents $10 monthly, male, white, age 35, married at age
17,
NC, NC, NC, retail merchant/lumber, employer
, Rose, wife, female, white, age 35, married at age 17, NC,
NC, NC,
linen matron/laundry, wage
, Mildred T., daughter, female, white, age 14, attends
school, NC, NC, NC
, Lewis Jr., son, male, white, age 12, attends school, NC,
NC, NC

HH 77 - Sandy Creek Twp., sheet 6A, ED 14, 22 Apr.
Poythress, Willie, rents, male, white, age 38, married at age 22, NC, NC, NC,
farmer/general, owns account
, Lessie, wife, female, white, age 32, married at age 17,
NC, NC, NC
, Joseph, son, male, white, age 14, attends school, NC, NC,
NC
, Virginia, daughter, female, white, age 8, attends school,
NC, NC, NC
, George, son, male, white, age 6, NC, NC, NC
, Vivian, daughter, female, white, age 3 10/12, NC, NC, NC
, Bruce, son, male, white, age 1 10/12, NC, NC, NC

HH 134 - Sandy Creek Twp., sheet 8A, ED 13, 16 Apr.
Poythress, Ernest F., rents, male, white, age 49, married at age 23, NC, VA,
NC, farmer/general farm, own account
, Lizzie, wife, female, white, age 43, married at age 17, NC,
NC, NC
, Robert G., son, male, white, age 23, NC, NC, NC,
laborer/general farm, wage
, Bettie L., daughter, female, white, age 17, NC, NC, NC
, Mary M., daughter, female, white, age 9, attends school,
NC, NC, NC
, Earnest F. Jr., son, male, white, age 4 9/12, NC, NC, NC



HH 171 - Sandy Creek Twp. sheet 11A, ED 14, 27 Apr.
Poythress, Thomas, rents, male, white, age 29, married at age 20, NC, NC, NC,
farmer/general farm, own account
, Ola, wife, female, white, age 26, married at age 16, NC,
NC, NC
, Zora, daughter, female, white, age 13, attends school, NC,
NC, NC
, Marion, son, male, white, age 7, attends school, NC, NC,
NC
, Irnene, daughter, female, white, age 4 10/12, NC, NC, NC
, George, son, male, white, age 3 10/12, NC, NC, NC


1930 Vance Cont.
Page 31

HH 172 - Sandy Creek Twp., sheet 11B, ED 14, 28 Apr.
?Stonibain, George, owns, male, white, age 80, widowed, NC, NC, NC,
farmer/general farm, owns account
Poythress, Lucy, daughter, female, white, age 56, widowed, NC, NC, NC,
, Alma, daughter, female, white, age 20, NC, NC, NC
, Clyde, son, male, white, age 24, married at age 23, NC,
NC, NC, farmer/general farm, owns account
, Mamie, wife, female, white, age 24, married at age 23, NC,
NC, NC

Wake County

HH 230 - Neuse River Twp., sheet 14A, ED 24, 21 Apr.
Poythress, Irine, owns, female, white, age 37, divorced, married at age 27,
NC, NC, AR, operater/tea room, own account
Tyke, ?, sister, female, white, age 27, NC, NC, AR,
helper/tea room

Wilson County

HH 214 - Springhill Twp., sheet 12B, ED 15, 23 Apr.
Poythress, William, owns, male, white, age 58, married at age 21, NC, NC, NC,
farmer/general farm, owns account
, Geneva, wife, female, white, age 54, married at age 17, NC,
NC, NC
, Florence, daughter, female, white, age 29, NC, NC, NC
, Jessie, son, male, white, age 19, NC, NC, NC,
laborer/general farm, wage
, Ida, daughter, female, white, age 18, NC, NC, NC,
laborer/general farm, not paid



HH 10 - Wilson Twp., sheet 1B, ED 29, 2 Apr.
Poythress, James T., rents $30 monthly, male, white, age 56, married at age
20,
VA, VA, VA, carpenter/wagon factory, wage
, Bettie, wife, female, white, age 52, married at age 18,
NC, VA, VA
, Haywood, son, male, white, age 20, VA, VA, NC,
salesman/grocery store, wage
, Sallie, daughter, female, white, age 19, attends school,
VA, VA, NC
, Luther, son, male, white, age 17, attends school, NC, ?VA,
?VA
, Allison J., son, male, white, age 15, attends school, NC,
?VA, ?VA


1930 Wilson Cont.
Page 32

HH 11 - Wilson Twp., sheet 1B, ED 29, 2 Apr.
Poythress, James, rents $10 monthly, male, white, age 30, married at age 25,
NC, VA, VA, farm manager/general farm, wage
, Clyde, wife, female, white, age 21, married at age 16, NC,
VA, VA
, Clarence, son, male, white, age 2 6/12, NC, NC, NC
, Charles R., son, male, white, age 5/12, NC, NC, NC
HH 44 - Wilson Twp., sheet 3B, lines 52-57, ED 29, date 9 Apr.
Poythress, Robert, rents, male, white, age 43, married at age 21, cannot read
and write, NC, NC, NC, farmer/general farm, employer
, Bell, wife, female, white, age 42, married at age 21, NC,
NC, NC
, Simpson, son, male, white, age 21, NC, NC, NC,
laborer/general farm, no pay
, Ada B., daughter, female, white, age 16, NC, NC, NC,
laborer/general farm, no pay
, Eula, daughter, female, white, age 14, attends school, NC,
NC, NC
, Margret, daughter, female, white, age 10, attends school,
NC, NC, NC

HH 326 - Wilson Twp., sheet 18B, ED 28, 11 Apr.
Poythress, Jack P., rents $8 monthly, male, white, age 28, married at age 23,
cannot read and write, NC, NC, NC, carpenter/autobody plant, wage
, Bertha, wife, female, white, age 26, married at age 21,
NC, NC, NC
, Charles F., son, male, white, age 3, NC, NC, NC


HH 477 - Wilson Twp., sheet 26B, ED 30, 25 Apr.
Poythress, Marion M., owns, value of home 3000, male, white, age 31,
married at age 26, NC, NC, NC, machinest/iron works, wage
, Mary E., wife, female, white, age 26, married at age 21,
NC, NC, NC
, Marion E., son, male, white, age 4 7/12, NC, NC, NC		04/27/2003 7:12:10
North Carolina Census - Part 9 (Final)Poythress In The Census - North Carolina - Part 9

Other Records Found Under Census
Page 33

Porteous, George, State: NC, County: Edgecombe, Data Base: NC Early Census
Index,
Year: 1743, no page number given

Poythress, William, State: NC, County: Bertie, Twp: Freemans District,
Database: NC Early Census Index, Year: 1787, Record Type: State or Colonial
Census
Page: 003

Poythress, William, State: NC, County: Hertford, No Twp. Listed, Database: NC
Early Census Index, Year: 1779, No Date Listed

Poytress, Hardyman, State: NC, County: Northampton, Twp: Williams District,
Database: NC Early Census Index, Year: 1786, Record Type: State or Colonial
Census,
Page: 005

Poytress, Oadom, State: NC, County: Northampton, Twp: Williams District,
Database: NC Early Census Index, Year: 1786, Record Type: State or Colonial
Census,
Page: 004

Poythress, Joseph, State: NC, County: Warren, Twp: Huberts District, Year:
1818,
No Record Type Listed, Page: 250

Believed/Possible Married Female Poythresses

1880 - Warren County

HH 117 - Smith Creek Twp., pg. 61B, ED 283, no date given
Twisdale, James, white, male, age 32, married, farmer, NC, NC, NC
, Lucy M., white, female, age 25, wife, NC, NC, NC
, David A., white, male, age 8, son, attends school, NC, NC,
NC
, Mary J., white, female, age 6, daughter, NC, NC, NC
, Sarah L., white, female, age 4, daughter, NC, NC, NC
, Henry L., white, male, age 1, son, NC, NC, NC

HH 118 - Smith Creek Twp., pg. 61B, ED 283, no date given
Twisdale, John, white, male, age 31, farmer, NC, NC, NC
, Allice M., white, female, age ?21, wife, NC, VA, VA
, ? Coren A., white, female, age 2, daughter, NC, NC, VA
, Lona J., white, female, age 4/12, daughter NC, NC, VA


1900 - Halifax County
Page 34

HH 90 - Halifax/Crowell Dist., sheet 5B, ED 31, 15 June
Twisdale, James H., white, male, born Feb. 1836, age ?, married 27 yrs., NC,
NC, NC,
Farmer, rents
, Lucy, wife, white, female, born Jan. 1851, age 49, married
27 yrs.,
NC, NC, NC, 8 children, 7 living
, Daicy, daughter, white, female, born Apr. 1874, age 26, NC,
NC, NC
, Mary, daughter, white, female, born May 1876, age 24, NC,
NC, NC
, Sallie, daughter, white, female, born Feb. 1878, age 22,
NC, NC, NC
, Henry, son, white, male, born Mch. 1881, age 19, NC, NC, NC
, India, daughter, white, female, born Apr. 1884, age 16, NC,
NC, NC
, James, son, white, male, born May 1886, age 14, NC, NC, NC
, Mable, daughter, white, female, born June 1897age 3, NC,
NC, NC


1900 - Warren County

HH 72 - Smith Creek Twp., sheet 4B, ED 101, 9-11 June
Vaughn, Mary E., mother, white, female born Oct. 1835, age ?64, widowed,
VA, VA, VA
Gregory, Mary E., head, white, female, born Sept. 1861, age 38, married 6
yrs.
3 children, 3 living, NC, VA, VA, day labor/farm
Vaughn, Lucy, daughter, white, female, born Sept. 1880, age 19, NC, VA, NC,
Day labor/farm
, Hugh A., son, white, male, born July 1884, age 15, NC, NC,
VA,
day labor/farm, cannot read and write
, Charlie, son, white, male, born July 1893, age 6, NC, VA, VA

1910 - Halifax County

HH 1 - Crowell Dist., sheet 10A, ED 49, 15 Apr.
Twisdale, James H., male, white, age 63, married 39 yrs., NC, NC, NC,
farmer/gen.farm, employer, rents/farm
, Lucy, wife, female, white, age 56, married 39 yrs., VA, VA,
VA
, James R., son, male, white, age 22, NC, NC, VA, laborer,
wage
, Enda R., daughter, female, white, age 23, NC, NC, VA
, Mabel, daughter, female, white, age 12, NC, NC, VA

1920 - Halifax County
Page 35

HH 223 - Halifax Twp., sheet 13A, ED 39, 19 Jan.
Twisdale, James A., owns free, male, white, age 31, married, NC, NC, VA,
Farmer/gen. Farm, employer
, Elma L., wife, female, white, age 27, married, NC, NC, NC
, Lucy, mother, female, white, age 66, widowed, VA, VA, VA		04/27/2003 7:17:21
North Carolina Census Is On the Board - CorrectionsWell I got it on there. On the early census years, it shifted a little, but
it is still readable.

Please send - additions, corrections, deletions, to me personally, by May
15, 2003.

Denver145@aol.com

Thanks Maynard for teaching me how to do this.

Take care,
Elaine		04/27/2003 7:34:00
Re: Poythresses In The Census Project - Introduction (Draft)Elaine,
I watch out for listing that match my data and I just wanted to say Thanks
for all the census data. I done done a quick scan and it is great!!

For corrections, do you want the actual name as family records have it, etc??
One of my Poythress is even listed as male when in fact was female, do you
want all types of corrections??

Thanks again,
BGP
Bruce Porter



04/29/2003 3:53:50
NC Census on BoardThanks to Elaine for all the great work & to Maynard in assisting her in the "how-to."

I haven't had a chance to get thru all of it so far, & will be glad to later send any additions/corrections I can help with, but in the meantime I do have one question: Is/Was there really a Burke County in NC, as shown in the first entry for 1870 in the "Part 2" message?

Thanks again for all this great info!
Barbara (BPN)

> Thanks Maynard for teaching me how to do this.

> Take care,
> Elaine		04/29/2003 5:06:02
NC Census on BoardThanks to Elaine for all the great work & to Maynard in assisting her in the "how-to."

I haven't had a chance to get thru all of it so far, & will be glad to later send any additions/corrections I can help with, but in the meantime I do have one question: Is/Was there really a Burke County in NC, as shown in the first entry for 1870 in the "Part 2" message?

Thanks again for all this great info!
Barbara (BPN)

> Thanks Maynard for teaching me how to do this.

> Take care,
> Elaine		04/29/2003 5:06:09
Free Genealogical Presentation May 2Dale PoythressThought some of you might be interested in this.

Local Genealogical Presentation May 2 in South Hill, VA

R. T. Arnold Public Library in South Hill, Virginia will be the site
for a genealogical presentation of the Virginia Heritage Resource
Center of the Library of Virginia. The presentation will be held on
Friday, May 2, 2003 from 9:30 am to 3:00 pm. It will consist of three
sessions:

1. "Printed Resources for Genealogical Research at the Library of
Virginia " by Gail Tatum
2. "From the James to the Roaring Roanoke: Using Virginia County Court
Records With a Case Study of the Hendricks Family of Palmer Springs" by
Chris Kolbe
3. "Learning Your ABC's: Using the Library of Virginia 's Website for
Genealogical and Historical Research by Minor Weisiger

The first two sessions will be held in the morning and the last in the
afternoon. There will be a one hour lunch break (on your
own). Light refreshments will be available.

The R. T. Arnold Library is located at 110 East Danville Street in
South Hill. The phone number is 434-447-8162. The presentation is
hosted by Southside Regional Library. Citizens with genealogical or
local history interests are strongly encouraged to attend this free
presentation.

SARAH		04/29/2003 8:47:41
RE: NC Census on Board - Burke County, NCThanks Barbara. There was and still is a Burke County, NC. It is connected
by McDowell, Catawba, Caldwell, and touch by Avery, Cleveland and Rutherford
counties.

Take care,
Elaine

I haven't had a chance to get thru all of it so far, & will be glad to later
send any additions/corrections I can help with, but in the meantime I do have
one question: Is/Was there really a Burke County in NC, as shown in the first
entry for 1870 in the "Part 2" message?

Thanks again for all this great info!
Barbara (BPN)		04/29/2003 11:49:55
South Hill PresentationJohn M PoythressAnybody close who can go and share their notes with us? Sounds like a good one.

Maynard



04/29/2003 12:03:18
Book re Wilson, NCBarbara P. NealAnyone on the list who is from (or has ancestors from) the town of
Wilson, NC, might enjoy this book review sent to me by a friend. No
price was listed in the message.
BPN

> Book title: Rise of a Southern Town: Wilson, NC, 1849-1920
by Patrick M. Valentine, with Preface by William S. Powell, doyen of
North Carolina historians

Published in Baltimore by Gateway Press, 2002, Federal Tax ID 248-74-1704

Hardcover, 308 pp., 20 illus., maps, charts, statistical appendices for
six counties, LC#2002100569

The Rise of a Southern Town will appeal both to a public interested in
North Carolina and Southern history and to all interested in rural
history and the growth of small towns. North Carolina, like much of
America in the nineteenth century, was a land of isolated small
communities. This study shows how one such town, Wilson, became the
World's Greatest Tobacco Market.

The rise of Wilson helps illustrate the dynamics of small southern towns
during their formative period between the Civil War and the First World
War and gives a detailed picture of the social, economic and cultural
life of eastern North Carolina.

Wilson is portrayed as a microcosm of the upper South as trends and
events in Wilson illustrate what was also occurring on a wider scale
elsewhere. The Rise of a Southern Town emphasizes the part played by
transportation and communication as well as by individuals. Sensitive
to issues of race, the approach is a detailed narrative, chronologically
arranged, with geographic, social, political, economic, and cultural
themes interwoven. Official and private records in Wilson, Raleigh,
Chapel Hill, Greenville, Durham, and Winston-Salem have been closely
examined along with census materials. The secondary literature is
canvassed for relevant insights,historical arguments and information.
Statistics are generously used tocompare Wilson with neighboring
communities, especially the counties of Nash, Edgecombe, Pitt, Greene,
Wayne, and Johnston. All sources are documented.


Patrick M. Valentine took his undergraduate degree in history and a
master's in librarian science at the University of South Carolina; he
also has a doctorate in history from Tulane University.

Dr. Valentine was head of the North Carolina Foreign Language Center
for six years and has been director of the Wilson County Public Library
since 1985. Married with one daughter, he is active in many local civic
and education groups and is a member of the Southern Historical Society
and the Society of American Historians. His previous book, The
Episcopalians of Wilson County (Gateway Press, 1996), won several
statewide awards.

Contact info for the author: Patrick Valentine
3001 Landrum Drive
Wilson, NC 27896-1260
252/291-4864		05/01/2003 12:59:50
Re Bruce's feedback: Poythresses In The Census Project - Introduction (Draft)Barbara P. NealHi Bruce & all -

I, for one, would appreciate it you, Bruce, could let the List know
which of your Poythress line members was listed in the Census as the
wrong sex (a problem that I'm sure you have experienced yourself, being
a woman with a male-sounding name), and any other pertinent info about
your Poythress line members that would help us.

For the Census transcriptions themselves, though, those should just be
transcriptions of whatever the Census-takers wrote down. It is good to
remind ourselves whenever we look at Censuses, that they were (just as
we are) human & fallible, & capable of misunderstanding what they were
told & of writing it down incorrectly.

Cheers again for Elaine & all her great work!
Barbara (BPN)

Portermom1@aol.com wrote:
> Elaine,
> I watch out for listing that match my data and I just wanted to say Thanks
> for all the census data. I done done a quick scan and it is great!!
>
> For corrections, do you want the actual name as family records have it, etc??
> One of my Poythress is even listed as male when in fact was female, do you
> want all types of corrections??
>
> Thanks again,
> BGP
> Bruce Porter		05/03/2003 6:20:27
Virginia Census Part 1Poythress In The Census - Virginia - Part 1
Poythress In The Census
Page 1


Virginia


See the Introduction to this Project for abbreviations used!!!!

1810
Bedford County

Protross, James - pg. 478, 1 M 10-15, 2 M 16-25, 1 M 45+, 1 F 16-25, 1 F 45+
24 slaves

Brunswick County

Fortereus, Wm. - pg. 711, 1 M under 10, 2 M 45+, 1 F under 10, 2 F 26-44, 1 F
45+

King George County

Potes, William - pg. 244, 1 M 10-15, 1 M 16-25, 1 M 45+, 2 F 16-25, 5 slaves

Norfork County

Fortress, Jane - pg. 803, 2 M under 10, 2 M 10-15, 1 F 26-44

Fortress, David - pg. 811, 1 M under 10, 1 M 10-15, 1 M 16-25, 1 M 45+,
1 F 10-15, 1 F 16-25, 1 F 45+, 18 slaves

Fortress, Henry - pg. 838, 1 M under 10, 1 M 16-25, 2 F under 10, 1 F 16-25
1 F 26-44, 1 slave

Prince George County

Poythress, William - pg. 534, 1 M 26-44 5 OFP, 2 slaves

Poythress, Betey - pg.542, 3 M under 10, 1 M 10-15, 2 M 16-25, 1 F 10-15,
1 F 16-25, 1 F 26-44

Southampton County

Poythress, Mary - pg. 844, 2 M under 10, 2 F 16-25, 1 F 45+

Stafford County

Potes, Hannah - pg. 133, 1 M under 10, 1 M 10-15, 1 F 10-15, 2 F 16-25, 1 F
26-44



1820
Page 2
Dinwiddie County

Poythress, Patrick H. - pg. 17, 2 M under 10, 1 M 26-44, 1 M 45+,
1 F under 10, 1 F 16-25, 1 F 26-44, 1 M slave 14-25, 2 F slaves under 14,
1 F slave 14-26

Poythress, Joshua - Petersburg Twp., pg.111, 1 M 26-44, 1 F 10-15, 2 F 26-44,
1 M slave 14-25, 1 F slave 26-44

Charles City County

Poythress, Thomas E. - pg. 9A, 1 M 16-25, 1 M 26-44, 2 F under 10, 1 F 26-44
24 M slaves under 14, 8 M slaves 14-25, 5 M slaves 26-44, 2 M slaves 45+
15 F slaves under 14, 4 F slaves 14-25, 6 F slaves 26-44, 1 F slave 45+

Mecklenburg County

Portress, Lewis - pg. 158A, 1 M under 10, 2 M 10-15, 2 M 16-25, 1 M 45+
1 F under 10, 1 F 10-15, 1 F 45+, 1 M slave 26-44

Prince George County

Poythress, John (Fr.) - pg. 53, 1 M FCP 45+, 1 F FCP 45+

1830
Charles City County

Poythress, Thomas E. - pg. 116, 1 M 20-29, 1 M 40-49, 1 F 5-9, 1 F 40-49
16 M slaves under 10, 14 M slaves 10-23, 6 M slaves 24-35, 3 M slaves 36-54,
1 M slave 55-99, 12 F slaves under 10, 11 F slaves 10-23, 3 F slaves 24-35,
7 F slaves 36-54, 4 F slaves 55-99

Dinwiddie County

Poythress, Lily - pg. 411, 1 F 50-59, 1 M slave under 10, 1 M slave 24-35,
1 M slave 36-54, 2 F slaves 10-24, 1 F slave 36-54

Mecklenburg County

Potress, Lewis - pg. 15, 1 M 5-9, 1 M 10-14, 1 M 60-69, 2 F 15-19, 1 F 40-49
1 M slave 10-23, 1 F 10-23, 1 F slave 24-35, 1 F slave 36-54

Portress, James - pg. 29, 3 M 5-9, 1 M 30-39, 2 F under 5, 1 F30-39, 1 M
slave 36-54



1830 Mecklenburg Cont.
Page 3

Portress, David - pg. 58, 1 M 20-29, 1 F under 5, 1 F 15-19, 1 F slave 10-23

Prince George County

Poythrop, Joshua - pg. 43, 1 M 40-49, 1 F 15-19, 1 F 20-29, 1 F40-49
1 M slave under 10, 4 M slaves 24-35, 1 M slave 36-54, 1 F slave 10-23

Poythrop, John - pg. 46, 1 M 5-9, 1 M 15-19, 1 F 10-14, 1 F 60-69
1 M slave under 10, 2 F under 10, 1 F24-35

Southampton County

Potess, Gideon - pg. 280, 1 M 40-49, 1 F under 5, 1 F 40-49
1840

Charles City County

Poythres, Thomas E. - pg.125, 1 M 50-59, 1 F 50-59
14 M slaves under 10, 8 M slaves 10-23, 2 M slaves 24-34, 6 M slaves 36-55,
11 F slaves under 10, 3 F slaves 10-23, 8 F slaves 24-34, 2 F slaves 36-54,
1 F slave 56-99

Mecklenburg County

Portress, David - pg.405, 1 M 5-9, 1 M 30-39, 1 F under 5, 1 F 5-9, 1 F 30-39

Portress, Lewis - pg. 407, 1 M 15-19, 1 M 20-29, 1 M 70-79, 1 F 60-69
1 M FCP 10-23, 1 F FCP 10-23

Prince George County

Potrey, Joshua - pg. 17, 1 M 50-59, 1 F 20-29, 1 F 40-49,
1 M slave under 10, 1 M slave 24-34, 1 M slave 36-55, 1 F slave under 10,
1 F slave 24-34, 1 F slave 56-99

1850
Dinwiddie County

HH 464 - of J.M.H. ?Bonnet, Petersburg City, page 417, 2 Oct.
Poythress, William, age 14, male, born VA, attends school






1850 Dinwiddie Cont.
Page 4

HH 509 - Petersburg City, page 421, 4 Oct.
Potress, Benjamin, age 42, male, huxter, born VA
, Mary, age 26, female, born VA
, George, age 1, female, born VA
Day, Mariah, age 31, female, black, born VA
Johnson, Elizabeth, age 50, female, born VA
, Levy, age 35, male, taylor, born VA

Greensville County

HH 181 - page 383, 5 Sept.
Portress, William, age 23, male, laborer, born VA
, Julia, age 18, female, born VA

HH 340 - page 392, 20 Sept.
Poythress, L.Y., age 37, male, overseer, born VA
, Mary, age 43, female, born VA

Henrico County

HH 240 - of Elias Reed, Richmond Twp., page 251, 28 Aug.
Poythress, Charlotte, age 25, female, born VA
, Patrick Henry, age 4, male, born VA
, William D., age 2, male, born VA

Mecklenburg County
HH 134 - Regiment 98, page 56&57, 17 Sept.
Poythress, David, age 44, male, overseer, $429 real est., born VA
, Sally, age 32, female, born VA
, James, age 17, male, born VA
, Mary, age 14, female, born VA
, George, age 9, male, born VA
, Charles, age 1, male, born VA

HH 174 - of Nancy Thomas, Regiment 98, page 59, 23 Sept.
Poythress, William, age 4, male, born VA		05/19/2003 11:46:08
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Page 5

HH 217 - Regiment 98, page 62, 26 Sept.
Poythress, James, age 45, male, carpenter, born VA
, Catherine, age 45, female, born VA
, Joshua, age 21, male, carpenter, born VA
, Nathan, age 19, male, laborer, born VA
, William, age 16, male, laborer, born VA
, Catherine, age 13, female, born VA
, Rebecca, age 11, female, born VA
, Penelope, age 9, female, born VA
, Algernon, age 6, male, born VA
, Virinda, age 4, female, born VA


HH 218 - Regiment 98, page 62, 26 Sept.
Poythress, Thomas, age 35, male, laborer, $144 real est., born VA
, Lucy, age 25, female, born VA
, William, age 5, male, born VA
, Frances, age 3, female, born VA

HH 241 - Regiment 98, page 63, 27 Sept.
Poythress, Edward, age 52, male, laborer, born VA
, Mahala, age 47, female, born VA
, Sarah A., age 18, female, born VA
, Harriet, age 16, female, born VA

Patrick County

HH 747 - Southern Dist., page 401, 1 Nov.
Portes, Silas, age 44, male, farmer, $500 real est., born VA
Read, Rachael, age 44, female, born VA
Logan, Thomas, age 30, male, laborer, born VA
Read, John, age 26, male, laborer, born VA
, Louisa, age 20, female, born VA

Prince George County

HH 70 - page 61, 3 Aug.
Poythress, Joshua, age 66, male, farmer, $1500 real est., born VA
, J.M., age 62, female, born VA

HH 460 - of Thomas L. Leonard , page 84, 17 Sept.
Poythress, Polly, age 72, female, born VA



1860
Page 6
Caroline County

HH 570 - White Chimneys PO, page 637, 3 Aug.
Pertross, Henry C., age 33, male, farmer $1500 real est., $200 personal est.,

born (blank)
, Frances A., age 29, female, born (blank)
, Kate M., age 6, female, born (blank)
, Seth C., age 5, male, born (blank)
, Dora L., age 2, female, born (blank)
, Matthew, age 29, male, merchant, born (blank)

Dinwiddie County

HH 322 - Petersburg South Ward, page 35, 15 June
Poythuss, William D., age 23, male, grocer, $500 real est., $100 personal
est., born VA
, Louisa, age 25, female, born VA

HH 2755 - Petersburg Centre Ward, page 129, 1 Aug.
Poythinss, Benjamin, age 50, male, huckster, $100 personal est., born VA
, Susan, age 36, female, born VA
, George, age 10, male, born VA, attends school
, Virginia, age 6, female, born VA, attends school
, Mary E., age 4, female, born VA

Greensville County

HH 309 - Hicksford PO, page 599, 6 Aug.
Potis, William, age 33, male, saw milling, $75 personal est., born VA
, Julia, age 29, female, born NC
, James, age 8, male, born VA
, Joseph, age 7, male, born VA
, Thomas, age 5, male, born VA
, Jane, age 4, female, born VA
, Benjamin, age 1, male, born VA
Brewer, Martha, age 50, female, born NC

HH 312 - Hicksford PO, page 599, 6 Aug.
Poythress, Lewis Y., age 40, male, overseer, $50 personal est., born VA
, Mary C., age 50. female, born VA
Chiles, Nancy A., age 20, female, born VA
, Elizabeth, age 15, female, born VA



1860 Cont.
Page 7
Henrico County

HH 563 - Richmond Ward 1, page 105, 6 July
Portres, Scharlott, age 38, female, born VA
, Henry, age 14, male, born VA, attends school
, William, age 13, male, born VA, attends school
, Sally, age 8, female, born VA, attends school

Mecklenburg County

HH 173 - 98th Regiment, page 254, 26 June
Poythriep, Thomas M., age 37, male, carpenter, born (blank)
, Lucy, age 33, female, born (blank)
, Elizabeth, age 6, female, born (blank)
, James, age 3, male, born (blank)
, Henretta, age 1, female, born (blank)

HH 192 - of Nancy Thomas, 98th Regiment, page 255, 26 June
Poyshriep, William, age 13, male, born VA

HH 797 - 98th Regiment, page 318, 23 July
Poythress, John L., age 29, male, farm labor, $100 personal est., born VA
, Tabitha A., age 22, female, born NC
, Joshua E., age 4, male, born VA
, Susan A., age 2, female, born VA
, Virginia L., age 1/12, female, born VA

Pittsylvania County

HH 168 - Southern Dist., page 377, 28 June
Poetross, L.D. John, age 29, male, farmer, $2000 real est., $1200 personal
est., born VA
, Morsella E., age 30, female, born VA
, ?Honren A., age 10, male, born VA, attends school
, Annador L., age 8, female, born VA, attends school
, John H., age 6, male, born VA
, Ada A., age 3, female, born VA
Eanes, Anne, age 20 female, born VA
, Eloisa E., age 22, female, born VA

Prince George County

HH 168 - of T.L. Leonard, Templeton PO, page 353, 29 June
Poythress, Polly, age 70, female, born VA

1870
Page 8
Dinwiddie County

HH 5 - Petersburg/6th Ward, page 34, 12 Aug.
Poythress, Susan, age 45, female, white, born VA
, George A., age 21, male, white, musician, born VA
, Virginia, age 16, female, white, dress maker, born VA
, Mary E., age 14, female, white, born VA
, Susan, age 9, female, white, born VA
, Laura, age 6, female, white, born VA

HH 266 - Petersburg/6th Ward/1st Dist., page 380, 16 Aug.
Porthess, William, age 34, male, white, laborer, born VA
, Louisa, age 33, female, white, born VA

Greensville County

HH 197 - Belfield Twp., page 22, 20 July
Poythress, Lewis, age 51, male, white, farmer, born VA, cannot read and write
, Mary, age 60, female, white, born VA, cannot read and
write
Childs, Ann, age 28, female, white, born VA

HH 126 - Hicksford Twp., page 356, 30 June
Portrass, Julia, age 40, female, white, born VA, pauper, cannot read and
write
?Burr, Martha, age 65, female, white, born VA, pauper, cannot read and write
Portrass, Martha A., age 6, female, white, born VA, pauper

Henrico County

HH 716 - Richmond City/Marshall Ward, page 193, 6 July
Poytress, Charlotte, age 45, female, white, $150 personal est., born VA
, Sarah R., age 18, female, white, born VA
, Walter E., age 8, male, white, born VA

Mecklenburg County

HH 213 - South Hill Twp., page 453, 6 July
Poythress, Thomas M., age 47, male, white, farmer, $300 real est., $100
personal est., born VA, cannot read and write
, Lucy J., age 43, female, white, born VA, cannot read and
write
, James D., age 13, male, white, born VA, cannot read and
write
, Sallie, age 10, female, white, born VA, cannot read and
write
, Peter V., age 5, male, white, born VA
, Anderson J., age 3, male, white, born VA
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1870 Cont.
Page 9
Norfolk County

HH 52 - Pleasant Grove Twp., page 308, 13 Aug.
Portress, Robert, age 18, male, black, cook, born VA

1880
Brunswick County

HH 228 - Meherrin Dist., page 263B, ED 30, 5-7 June
Poythress, James, white, male, age 23, married, farmer, cannot read and
write,
VA,VA,VA
, Lucy, white, female, age 23, wife, married, VA,VA,VA
, Susan, white, female, age 1, daughter, VA,VA,VA

HH 7 - Meherrin Mag. Dist., page 318A, ED 195, 9 June
Poythress, William L., white, male, age 34, married, farmer, VA,VA,VA
, Anna J., white, female, age 35, wife, married, VA,VA,VA
, Emma E., white, female, age 11, daughter, attends school,
VA,VA,VA
, Ada F., white, female, age 8, daughter, attends school,
VA,VA,VA
, Leon L., white, male, age 6, son, VA,VA,VA
, Lily A., white, female, age 3, daughter, VA,VA,VA
, Martha A., white, female, age 3/12, daughter, VA,VA,VA

Campbell County

HH 53 - Lynchburg Twp., page 10B, ED 49, 3 June
Poythress, Ella, white, female, age 21, boarder, VA,VA,VA

Caroline County

HH 4 - Bowling Green Twp., page 555A, ED 30, 10 June
Poates, William, white, male, age 47, married, karpenter, VA,VA,VA
, Sarah J., white, female, age 41, wife, married, VA,VA,VA
, Sarah W., white, female, age 20, daughter, VA,VA,VA
, William H., white, male, age 14, son, laborer, attends school,
VA,VA,VA
, Allice Y., white, female, age 12, daughter, attends school,
VA,VA,VA
,?Bane Y., white, female, age 8, daughter, attends school,
VA,VA,VA
, John H., white, male, age 7, son, attends school, VA,VA,VA
, Charles, white, male, age 4, son, VA,VA,VA
Carrington, Mary, white, female, age 80, mother-in-law, widowed/divorced,
VA,VA,VA





1880 Cont.
Page 10
Fairfax County

HH 229 - of John C. Lanham, Drainsville Twp., page 402C, ED 3, 22 June
Potes, Joseph, white, male, age 18, laborer, DC,DC,DC

Greensville County

HH 166 - of Elizabeth Mitchell, Hicksford Twp., page 40, ED 28, 11 June
Portress, Tempy ?T., white, female, age 20, ?gr.daughter, servant, cannot
write, VA,VA,VA

HH 233 - of William Duncan, Hicksford Dist., page 43, ED 28, 14 June
Poytress, July A., white, female, age 50, servant, widowed/divorced,
cannot read and write, VA,VA,VA

HH 1 - of ? & Elizabeth Thomason, Hicksford Village, page 60, ED 28, 24 June
Poytress, Mary C., white, female, age 70, aunt, unemployed, cannot read and
write,
VA,VA,VA

Henrico County

HH 98 - Richmond/2nd Prec. Marchall Ward, page 371B, ED 92, 4 June
Poythress, C., white, female, age ?64, widowed/divorced, VA,?CAN, VA
, W.P., white, male, age 32, son, married, druggist,
VA,VA,VA
, S.C., white, female, age 30, daughter-in-law, married,
VA,VA,VA
, Sallie R., white, female, age 28, daughter, VA,VA,VA
, W.E., white, male, age 18, son, clerk, VA,VA,VA
Dunn, S.A., white, female, age 57, boarder, VA,VA,VA
Marks, Henry, white, male, age 14, gr.son, VA,VA,VA

Convicts in State Pen./Richmond/1st Prec. Monroe Ward, page 55A., ED 79, 1
June
Poythress, John D., white, male, age 66, laborer, born VA

Mecklenburg County

HH 395 - South Hill Dist., page 249A&B, ED 149, 30 July
Poythress, Thomas M., white, male, age 60, married, farmer, cannot read and
write, VA,VA,VA
, Lucy J., white, female, age 54, wife, married, cannot read
and write, VA,VA,VA
, Sallie, white, female, age 19, daughter, cannot read and
write, VA,VA,VA
, Peter, white, male, age 16, son, farm labor, cannot read
and write,
VA,VA,VA

1880 Mecklenburg/HH Thomas M., Cont.
Page 11

, John, white, male, age 13, son, farm labor, cannot read
and write,
VA,VA,VA
, Labon, white, male, age 11, son, farm labor, cannot read
and write,
VA,VA,VA

Patrick County

HH 4 - Dan River Dist., page 1A, ED 156, 1 June
Portis, Sarah, white, female, age 70, widowed/divorced, farming, cannot read
and write, NC,NC,NC
Jones, Martha, white, female, age 50, niece, cannot read and write, NC,NC,NC

HH 6 - Dan River Dist., page 1A, ED 156, 1 June
Portis, James, white, male, age 46, married, farmer, NC,NC,NC
, Julia A., white, female, age 36, wife, married, cannot read and
write,
VA,VA,VA
, John R., white, male, age 18, son, farm labor, VA,NC,VA
, James ?S., white, male, age 16, son, farm labor, cannot read and
write,
VA,NC,VA
, Annie, white, female, age 14, daughter, cannot read and write,
VA,NC,VA
, Robert J.S., white, male, age 17, son, farm labor, cannot read
and write,
VA,NC,VA
, Mary F., white, female, age 10, daughter, cannot read and write,
VA,NC,VA
, Sarah M., white, female, age 8, daughter, VA,NC,VA
, Rufus M., white, male, age 6, son, VA,NC,VA
, ?Chrie, white, female, age 4, daughter, VA,NC,VA

South Hampton County

HH 462 - Jerusalem Twp., page 48D, ED 104, 24 June
Portrice, Doria, white, female, age 30, pauper, VA,VA,VA
, Robert, white, male, age 4, pauper, VA,VA,VA

Sussex County

HH 74 - of William & V.A. Jeny, Sussex Court House Dist., page 139A, ED 112,
8 June
Potress, Susan, white, female, age 18, sister-in-law, VA,VA,VA
, Maggie, white, female, age 16, sister-in-law, VA,VA,VA





1890 Suppliment/Richmond VA City Directories 1889-90
Page 12

Poythress, Charlotte, 2904 Broad E. Richmond, VA 1889,1890
Widow of William P.

Poythress, William P., business name-T Roberts Baker, occupation-druggist,
2912 Broad E., Richmond, VA 1889-1890

1900
Brunswick County

HH 247 - Meherrin Dist./Brodnax, sheet 13B, ED 8, 20 June
Portress, James, white, male, born Sept. 1855, age 44, married 21 yrs.,
VA,VA,VA
Farmer, cannot read and write, rents farm
, Lucie, wife, white, female, born May 1853, age 47, married 21
yrs.,
8 children 8 living, VA,VA,VA, cannot read and write
, B.J., son, white, male, born, Oct. 1881, age 18, VA,VA,VA,
farm labor
, Frank, son, white, male, born Oct. 1885, age 14, VA,VA,VA,
, Sallie, daughter, white, female, born June 1887, age 12,
VA,VA,VA,
cannot read and write
, Hattie, daughter, white, female, born Dec. 1889, age 10,
VA,VA,VA
cannot read and write
, Fletcher, son, white, male, born Nov. 1892, age 7, VA,VA,VA
, Lynnie, son, white, male, born May 1895, age 5, VA,VA,VA

HH 65 - Meherrin Dist./Rock Store, sheet 4A, ED 9, 6 June
Poythress, Andrew J., white, male, born June 1865, age 34, married 9 yrs.,
VA,VA,VA
Farmer, cannot read and write, owns free farm
, Martha L., wife, white, female, born June 1873, age 26,
married 9 yrs.,
0 children, VA,VA,VA
Mosley, Thomas, servant, white, male, born (blank) 1876, age 24, VA,VA,VA.
Farm labor, cannot read and write

HH 67 - Meherrin Dist./Tillman's, sheet 4A, ED 7, 5 June
Poythress, L.L., white, male, born Jan. 1872, age 27, married 1 yr., VA,VA,VA
Farmer, rents farm
, Mary E., wife, white, female, born Jan. 1872, age 28,
married 1 yr.,
1 child, 1 living, VA,VA,VA
, Annie, daughter, white, female, born Nov. 1899, age 6/12,
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1900 Cont.
Page 13

Greensville County

HH 55 - Hicksford Dist., sheet 4A, ED 30, 7 June
Potress, John ?T., white, male, born March 1853, age 47, married 16 yrs.,
VA,VA,VA
Farmer, cannot read and write, rents farm
, Minnie B., wife, white, female, born March 1866, age 34,
married 16 yrs.,
6 children, 6 living, VA,VA,VA
, Addie W., daughter, white, female, born Sept. 1884, age 15,
VA,VA,VA
, Eva J., daughter, white, female, born Oct. 1888, age 11,
VA,VA,VA
, Sula H., daughter, white, female, born March 1892, age 8,
VA,VA,VA
, Mollie S., daughter, white, female, born July ?1892, age 7,
VA,VA,VA
, Effie M., daughter, white, female, born June 1896, age 4,
VA,VA,VA
, Cora, daughter, white, female, born Feb. 1900, age 4/12,
VA,VA,VA

HH 169 - of ?Pinn & Emily Cary, Hicksford Dist., sheet 10A, ED 30, 16 June
Potress, Victoria, white, female, born May 1865, age 35, widowed, 0 children,

VA, VA,VA, cannot read and write
, Mary, niece, white, female, born Jan. 1883, age 18, VA,VA,VA,
cannot read and write

Mecklenburg County

HH 118 - South Hill Dist., sheet 8B, ED 56, 14 June
Poythress, W.L., white, male, born June 1845, age 54, married 34 yrs.,
VA,VA,VA
Farmer, rents farm
, Annie J., wife, white, female, born Oct. 1844, age 55,
married 34 yrs.,
8 children, 6 living, VA,VA,VA
, Mittie, daughter, white, female, born March 1883, age 17,
VA,VA,VA, attends school
, Foxall, son, white, male, born Jan. 1887, age 13, VA,
VA,VA, attends school

HH 248 - South Hill Dist., sheet 15A, ED 56, 25 June
Poythress, Richard, white, male, born ?Apr. 1865, age 35, married 12 yrs.,
VA,VA,VA,
Farmer, cannot read and write, rents farm
, Rosa, wife, white, female, born Nov. 1862, age 37, married
12 yrs., VA,VA,VA, cannot read and write
,?Ines, daughter, white, female, born March 1893, age 7,
VA,VA,VA
, Willie, son, white, male, born May 1895, age 5, VA,VA,VA
, Lena, daughter, white, female, born Dec. 1897, VA,VA,VA
, Tommie, son, white, male, born Apr. 1899, age 1, VA,VA,VA





1910
Page 14
Bedford County

HH 217 - of Samuel and Lula McCraw, Forest Dist., sheet 12B, ED 6, 24 May
Poythress, Clyde L., servant, male, white, age 15, VA,VA,TX, laborer/farm,
wage

Brunswick County

HH 10 - Meherrin Dist./Brodnax, sheet 8B, ED 8, 27 Apr.
Paultice, Richard, male, white, age ?44, married 22 yrs., VA,VA,VA,
farmer/gen.farm
Own account, rents farm
, Rosa, wife, female, white, age ??, married 22 yrs., 6
children, 4 living, VA,VA,VA
, ?Lena, daughter, female, white, age 13, VA,VA,VA, attends
school
, Tom, son, male, white, age ?11, VA,VA,VA, attends school
, ?Wil, son, male, white, age ?9, VA,VA,VA, attends school

HH 4 - Meherrin Dist./Brodnax, sheet 9A, ED 8, 29, Nov.
Porthress, B.J., male, white, age 29, married 1 yr., VA,VA,VA, farming, own
account,
Rents farm
, Ada, wife, female, white, age 22, married 1 yr., VA,VA,VA

HH 55 - Powellton Dist., sheet 66A&66B, ED 10, 7 May
Poythress, William T., male, white, age 27, married 7 yrs., VA,VA,VA,
farmer/home farm, own account, cannot read and write, owns free farm
, Sarah A., wife, female, white, age 25, married 7 yrs., 3
children, 3 living,
VA,VA,VA
,Delsie E., son, ,male, white, age 6, VA,VA,VA
, Vergie M., daughter, female, white, age 4, VA,VA,VA,
, William ?L., son, male, white, age 1, VA,VA,VA

HH 14 - Meherrin Dist./Rock Store, sheet 9A, ED 9, 2 May
Portice, L.L., male, white, age 37, married 12 yrs., VA,VA,VA, farming, own
account,
Rents farm
, Mary E., wife, female, white, age 36, married 12 yrs., 6
children, 6 living VA,VA,VA
, Annie V., daughter, female, white, age ?10, VA,VA,VA, attends
school
, Wallace J., son, male, white, age 9, VA,VA,VA
, Rufus ?., son, male, white, age 7, VA,VA,VA
, ?Cartis L., son, male, white, age 5, VA,VA,VA
, Shelton L., son, male, white, age 4, VA,VA,VA
, David, son, male, white, age 2, VA,VA,VA


1910 Cont.
Page 15
Dinwiddie County

HH 200 - Petersburg City, sheet 10A, ED 90, 15 Apr.
Poytress, William, male, white, age 73, widowed, VA,VA,VA, rents house,
suvivor of Confederate Army
Taylor, Ann J., wife's niece, female, white, age 23, VA,VA,VA, (something)
factory, wage

Henrico County

HH 101 - of George P. Grant, Richmond City/Monroe Ward, 2nd Prec., sheet 7B,
ED 139, 21 Apr.
Poythress, William P., boarder, male, white, age 62, married 30 yrs.,
VA,VA,VA, druggist, emp.,
, Louise C., boarder, female, white, age 57, married 30
yrs., VA,VA,VA

HH 94 - Richmond City/Monroe Ward, 2nd Prec., sheet 9A, ED 140, 19-23 Apr.
Paythress, Sallie R., female, white, age 58, VA,VA,VA, rents house, 5 lodgers
living in her home

Mecklenburg County

HH 154 - South Hill Dist., sheet 9B&10A, ED 65, 29-30 Apr.
Portress, W.L., male, white, age 66, married 44 yrs., VA,VA,VA, farmer/home
farm,
Emp., rents farm
, Ella, wife, female, white, age 66, married 44 yrs., VA,
VA,VA,
, Folks A., son, male, white, age 23, married 2 yrs., VA,VA,VA,

farm labor/home farm, wage
, Anna M., daughter-in-law, female, white, age 19, 1 child, 1
living, VA,VA,VA
, ?Lonnie, (blank), female, white, age 11/12, VA,VA,VA

1920
Brunswick County

HH 240 - Brodnax, sheet 15B, ED 8, 20 Jan.
Pogtress, Leon, rents, male, white, age 47, married, VA,VA,VA,
farmer/gen.farm,
owns account
, Mary, wife, female, white, age 45, married, VA,VA,VA
, Delma, daughter, female, white, age 20, VA,VA,VA
, Wallace, son, male, white, age 18, attends school, VA,VA,VA,
partner/home farm, own account
, Ruth, daughter, female, age 17, attends school, VA,VA,VA
, ?Caspher, son, male, white, age 15, attends school, VA,VA,VA
partner/home farm, own account

1920 Brunswick - Leon HH cont.
Page 16

, Skelton, son, male, white, age 13, attends school, VA,VA,VA
, Davy, son, male, white, age 12, attends school, VA,VA,VA
, Rivers, son, male, white, age 7, VA,VA,VA

HH 333 - Brodnax, sheet 21B, ED 8, 26 Jan,
Poythress, Frank J., owns free, male, white, age 36, married, VA,VA,VA,
blacksmith/own shop, own account
, Nina, wife, female, white, age 31, married, NC,NC,NC,
, Jack, adopted son, male, white, age 12, attends school,
VA,VA,VA

HH 352 - Brodnax, sheet 22A, ED 8, 26-27 Jan.
Poythress, Leonard, rents, male, white, age 25, married, VA,VA,VA,
mechanic/garage, wage
, Carrie, wife, female, white, age 22, married, VA,VA,VA

HH 93 - Powellton, sheet 5A, ED 10, 16 Jan.
Poythress, Thomas, owns free, male, white, age 36, married, cannot read and
write, VA,VA,VA, farmer/home farm, Em.
, Sarah A., wife, female, white, age 34, married, VA,VA,VA
, ?Belvie, son, male, white, age 17, attends school,
VA,VA,VA
, Virgie, daughter, female, white, age 13, attends school,
VA,VA,VA
, William, son, male, white, age 10, attends school,
VA,VA,VA
, ?Finnel, son, male, white, age 8, attends school, VA,VA,VA
, Lucy B., daughter, female, white, age 5, VA,VA,VA

HH 144 - Powellton, sheet 7B, ED 10, 29 Jan.
Poythress, James, rents, male, white, age 66, married, cannot read and write,
VA,VA,VA, farmer/home farm, Em.
, Martha, wife, female, white, age 62, married, cannot read
and write, VA,VA,VA

HH 145 - Powellton, sheet 7B, ED 10, 29 Jan.
Poythress, Artur J., rents, male, white, age 53, married, cannot read and
write,
VA, VA,VA, farmer/home farm, Em.
, Martha L., wife, female, white, age 47, married, cannot
read and write,
VA,VA,VA		05/19/2003 11:50:12
Virginia Census Part 5Poythress In The Census - Virginia - Part 5
1920 Cont.
Page 17

Dinwiddie County

HH 423 - Petersburg Indepenednt City, sheet 19A, ED 71, 14 Jan.
Danell, Lula, rents, female, white, age 29, widowed, cannot read and write,
VA,VA,VA, dressmaker/at home, own account
, James, son, male, white, age 3 5/12, VA,VA,VA
, Alma, daughter, female, white, age 10, cannot read and write,
VA,VA,VA
, Beatris, daughter, female, white, age 3 5/12, VA,VA,VA
Potress, Minnie, mother, female, white, age 51, married, cannot read and
write,
VA,VA,VA

Elizabeth City County

HH 111 - Wythe Dist., sheet 6B, ED 37, 18 Feb.
Poythress, Benjamin E., owns, mortgage, male, white, age 35, married,
NC,VA,NC,
Accountant/real estate office, salary
, Evelyn C., wife, female, white, age 37, married,
VA,England,VA,
, Richard B., son, male, white, age 7, VA,NC,VA

Greensville County

HH 152 - Hicksford Dist., sheet 9B, ED 31, 10 Feb.
Portress, Virginia, rents, female, white, age 18, cannot read and write,
VA,NC,NC

Norfolk County

HH 92 - of Delea Smith, Portsmouth City, sheet 5B, ED 190, 6-7 Jan.
Porthress, Fletcher, lodger, male, white, age 25, VA,VA,VA, millman/box
factory, wage

HH 143 - Washington Dist., sheet 14A, ED 151, 8 Jan.
Poythress, Olivr D., owns, mortgage, male, white, age 29, married, NC,NC,NC,
(cannot read occupation), wage
, Ethal G., wife, female, white, age 21, married, VA,VA,VA
, Olivr D., son, male, white, age 10/12, VA,NC,VA


1930 Cont.
Page 18

Meckenburg County

HH 353 - LaCross Dist., sheet 19B, ED 56, 16 Feb.
Poythress, Fox A., owns free, male, white, age 33, married, VA,VA,VA,
Carpenter/house, wage
, Annie M., wife, female, white, age 29, married, VA,VA,VA,
, Lorain C., daughter, female, white, age 10, attends
school, VA,VA,VA
, ?Haye, son, male, white, age 7, attends school, VA,VA,VA
, James W., son, male, white, age 3 11/12, VA,VA,VA
, Everett L., son, male, white, age 1 1/12, VA,VA,VA

HH 214 - South Hill Dist., sheet 12A, ED 58, 15-16 Jan.
Porthress, Thomas, rents, male, white, age 20, VA,VA,VA, laborer/box mill,
wage
, Lana, sister, female, white, age 22, VA,VA,VA
, Ollie, brother, male, white, age ?28, VA,VA,VA
Tanner, Jim, boarder, male, white, age 33, widowed, VA,VA,VA, laborer/box
mill, wage
, ?Kernie, boarder, male, white, age 9,VA,VA,VA

Roanoke County

HH 149 - Roanoke Independent City, sheet 7B, ED 36, 19 Jan.
Boley, Clara, rents, female, white, age 41, widowed, VA,VA,OH,
hairdresser/Dept. store, wage
, May L., daughter, female, white, age 11, attends school, VA,VA,VA
Poythress, Ella M., mother, female, white, age 63, widowed, OK,US,US

1930
Arlington County

HH 78 - of Nat Hynes, Clarendon Dist., sheet 4A, ED 7, 4-5 Apr.
Poythress, Ina P., lodger, female, white, age 38, widowed, NY,US,US,
clerk/Internal Revenue, wage

Brunswick County

HH 36 - Brodnax Village, sheet 2B, ED 1, 8 May
Poythress, Frank, owns, $3000 home value, male, white, age 46, married at age
25, VA,VA,VA, ginner/cotton gin, own account
, Nena, wife, female, white, age 41, married at age 20,
VA,VA,VA




1930 Brunswick Cont.
Page 19

HH 172 - Powellton Dist., sheet 10B, ED 5, 15-16 Apr.
Poythress, Willie T., owns farm, male, white, age 48, married at age 20,
cannot read and write, VA,VA,VA, foreman/county highway, wage
, Sarah A., wife, female, white, age 45, married at age 17,
VA,VA,VA
, Delzia E., son, male, white, age 26, VA,VA,VA,
laborer/highway
, Virgil M., daughter, female, white, age 23, VA,VA,VA,
, ?Larry W., son, male, white, age 21,VA,VA,VA,
farmer/gen.farm,
owns account
, Bertha L., daughter, female, white, age 15, attends
school, VA,VA,VA
, Perry A., son, male, white, age 10, attends school,
VA,VA,VA
, Thomas W., son, male, white, age 5, VA,VA,VA
, Frank A., son, male, white, age 3 2/12, VA,VA,VA

HH 173 - Powellton Dist., sheet 10B, ED 5, 15-16 Jan.
Poythress, Fenton C., male, white, age 18, married at age 18, VA,VA,VA,
farmer/gen.farm, owns account
, Susie, wife, female, white, age 18, married at age 18,
VA,VA,VA

HH 246 - Powellton Dist., sheet 14A, ED 5, 22-23 Apr.
Poythress, Andrew J., owns farm, male, white, age 63, married at age 26,
cannot read and write, VA,VA,VA, farmer/gen.farm, emp.
, Martha, wife, female, white, age 57, married at age 17,
VA,VA,VA
Mills, Bettie, sister, female, white, age 81, widowed, VA,VA,VA

Dinwiddie County

HH YMCA 175 - Petersburg City, sheet 8A, ED 12, 10 Apr.
Poythress, John C., clerk, male, white, age 17, VA,VA,VA, clerk/YMCA, wage

Elizabeth City County

Fort ?Monoe - Chesapeake Dist., sheet 11B, ED 8, 19 Apr.
Paythress, Jack, corporal, male, white, age 20, VA,VA,VA, soldier/US Army,
wage

Henrico County

HH 123 - of Mamie Casper, Richmond City/Jefferson Ward, sheet 10B, ED 93, 8
Apr.
Poyhtress, Harry A., lodger, male, white, age 45, VA,VA,TX, salesman/music
store WW Veteran




1930 Cont.
Page 20

Mecklenburg County

HH 66 - Chase City Dist., sheet 3B, ED 9, 5 Apr.
Poythress, Thomas H., rents $6 monthly, male, white, age 31, married at age
24, VA,VA,VA, chauffer/tractor, wage
, Emma S., wife, female, white, age 25, married at age 28,
VA,VA,VA
, Bernice R., daughter, female, white, age 4 11/12, VA,VA,VA
, James H., son, male, white, age 3 7/12, VA,VA,VA

HH 84 - LaCross Dist., sheet 4A, ED 17, 5 Apr.
Poythress, Ottis R., rents $15 monthly, male, white, age 29, married at age
24, VA,VA,VA, laborer/County Road, wage
, Lucia J., wife, female, white, age 22, married at age 17,
VA,VA,VA
, Lucia, daughter, female, white, age 4 1/12, VA,VA,VA
, Doris M., daughter, female, white, age 6/12, VA,VA,VA

HH 135 - of Walker ?Manual, LaCrosse Dist., sheet 8A, Ed 18, 21 Apr.
Poythress, Carrie B., daughter, female, white, age 32, widowed, VA,VA,VA
, Bernice, daughter, female, white, age 12, attends school,
VA,VA,VA

HH 378 - LaCross Dist., sheet 21B, ED 19, 29 Apr.
Poythress, Foxall A., owns farm, male, white, age 43, married at age 21,
VA,VA,VA,
Farmer/gen.farm, owns account
, Annie M., wife, female, white, age 39, married at age 17,
VA,VA,VA
, Hoye, son, male, white, age 17, VA,VA,VA,
laborer/gen.farm, no pay
, James, son, male, white, age 14, attends school, VA,VA,VA,
laborer/gen.farm, no pay
, Everette, son, male, white, age 11, attends school,
VA,VA,VA
, Agnes, daughter, female, white, age 8, attends school,
VA,VA,VA
, Foxall, son, male, white, age 5, VA,VA,VA
, John, son, male, white, age 3, VA,VA,VA
, Ella M., daughter, female, white, age 1, VA,VA,VA

Norfolk County

HH 96 - of Conroy & Connie Jackson, Norfolk City, sheet 6A, ED 109, 4 Apr.
Poythress, Ella M., mother-in-law, female, white, age 73, widowed, OH,VA,OH		05/19/2003 11:51:21
Virginia Census Part 6Poythress In The Census - Virginia - Part 6


1930 Norfolk Cont.
Page 21

HH 183 - Norfolk City South, sheet 10A, ED 12, 11 Apr.
Poythress, Olive D., owns, $4800 home value, male, white, age 39, married at
age 29,
NC,NC,NC, clergyman/Christian Church, wage
, Ethel A., wife, female, white, age 31, married at age 19,
VA,VA,NC
, ?Leary D., son, male, white, age 8, attends school,
VA,NC,VA
, Ethel E., daughter, female, white, age 5, VA,NC,VA
, Amos L., son, male, white, age 4 3/12, VA,NC,VA

Elizabeth City County


HH 104 - Newport News Dist., sheet 5A, ED 15, 4 Apr.
Poythress, Benjamin, owns, $3000 home value, male, white, age 42, male,
married at age 23, NC,VA,NC, sales clerk/Newport News Dodge, wage
, Evelin, wife, female, white, age 43, married at age 19,
VA,England,VA
stenographer, wage
Richard, son, male, white, age 17, attends school, VA,NC,VA


Other Records Found Under Census

Poythress, Thomas, County - Dinwiddie, Database - VA Early Census Index,
Year - 1779, Record Type - Rent Role, no page number given

Poythress, William Capt., County - Army Lands, Twp. - Va. Millitary Dist.,
Database - VA Early Census Index, Year - 1801, Record Type - Tax List, page
71

Poythress, William, County - Prince George, Database - VA Early Census Index,
Year - 1779, Record Type - Rent Role, no page number given

Roythress, Peter, County - Sussex, Twp. - 04 16, Database - VA Early Census
Index,
Year - 1782, Record Type - Continental Census, page 44









Believed/Possible Married Female Poythresses
Page 22

1850 - Mecklenburg County
HH 213 - 98th Regiment, page 61, 24 Sept.
Dortch, William, age 32, male, overseer, born VA
, Sally, age 35, female, born VA
, Martha, age 12, female, born VA
, Jasper, age 7, male, born VA
, Alvy, age 5, male, born VA
, Tom, age 3, male, born VA
1850 - Brunswick County
HH 103 - Southern Dist., page 322, 7 Aug.
Stanly, Benjamin, age 50, male, farmer, $942 real est., born VA
, Rebecca L., age 40, female, born VA
, George M., age 17, male, farmer, born VA
, Sarah F., age 16, female, born VA
, Benjamin L., age 13, male, born VA
, John D., age 11, male, born VA
, Martha R., age 5, female, born VA
, James W., age 3, male, born VA
1860 - Brunswick County
HH 22 - Meherrin Dist., page 616, 20-21 Jan.
Stanley, Benjamin, age 60, male, farmer, $1200 real est., $5000 personal
est., born VA
, Rebecca L., age 52, female, born VA
, George M., age 26, male, $2000 real est., born VA
, Sarah F., age 23, female, born VA
, Benjamin L., age 21, male, born VA
, John D., age 20, male, born VA
, Martha R. J., age 14, female, born VA, attends school
, James W., age 10, male, born VA, attends school
1880 - Greensville County
HH 337 - Hicksford Dist., page 49, ED 28, 19 June
Neal, Edward, white, male, age 32, married, farm laborer, cannot read and
write, NC,NC,NC
, Jane, white, female, age 24, wife, married, VA,VA,VA
, Blanch, white, female, age 7, daughter, VA,VA,VA		05/19/2003 11:53:05
Virginia Census/Corrections, Additions, DeletionsVirginia portion of this project is on the board. Please send corrections,
additions, deletions, etc. to me personally, by June 1, 2003.

Take care,
Elaine		05/19/2003 11:59:04
A Ha!John M. PoythressOne of the few advantages of being technologically untarded is the joy
of finding a (somewhat) universal fix. I will share it below with my
fellow illiterates...you experienced geeksters may click on delete.



In the genealogy biz, we go to many, many web pages to copy and save
information. In the beginning, to save a page, I simply clicked "save
as" and put the "page" or selected information directly off the webpage
and into a file. Nope, entirely unsatisfactory. Several things can
and most often do happen and all of them are bad: when you try to
retrieve all you retrieve is "the address", either the page is changed
or gone or has been updated to something entirely new..or if you have
managed to save it at all, it won't be for long..and the graphics are
more than likely to be all funky. Just a mess.



My initial solution sort of worked but it was still a pain: select all,
copy, bring up MS Word and paste the thing, saving it as an MS Word
document (.doc) which "fixes" it in place. Then put the file in a
folder. Well, that corrected some of the mess but the file is still
often parsed out jumbled and seldom is a graphic captured.



Why we should all grab a Thursday WSJ when we get a chance. WSJ's
technology guru, Walt Mossberg, has a column as well as a separate Q & A
column on Thursdays.



Here is a recent one that zings right to the heart of this problem:



Q: Is there an easy, effective way to save Web pages directly from the
Internet into folders and keep and use the information efficiently?



A: Yes. It's one of the best features of Microsoft Internet Explorer.
Just go to the File menu, select "Save As," and look for the line
labeled "Save as type." On this line, choose the option for "Web
archive, single file" [off the drop down menu]. Then, select the
destination folder, and click "Save."



This will produce a file with the extension ".mht." Later, EVEN if
you're NOT connected to the Internet, you can open these files in
Internet Explorer, by double clicking on them. You will then see a
copy of the Web page, complete with graphics. I use this method all the
time, and it works well.





Works like a charm. Who said Bill Gates never did anything for us?
Hope it helps you.



Maynard









05/21/2003 10:02:29
RE: Sherman & Mary PoythressHi Deborah. I happen to be working on Georgia for a census project I am
putting together. I have run across the name Sherman Poythress a couple of times
so far. Hopefully I will have more information on your Sherman, when I have
completed the state of Georgia, in a few weeks.

So far, I have:

Troup County, GA - Harrisonville, pg. 542D, ED 126, date 9 June 1880

Poythress, Dick, black, male, age 50, married, farmer, cannot read or write,
born Virginia, father born Virginia, mother born VA
, Bell, black, female, age 45, married, cannot read or write,
self, father and mother all born Virginia
, Joe, black, male, age 22, laborer, cannot read or write,
GA,VA,VA
, Buell, black, male, age 20, laborer, cannot read or write,
GA,VA,VA
, Nancy, black, female, age 16, laborer, GA,VA,VA
, Sherman, black, male, age 14, laborer, GA, VA,VA
, Rich, black, male, age ?11, laborer, GA, VA,VA
, Mollie, black, male, age 25, widowed/divorced, GA,VA,VA
, Eddie, black, male, age 8, GA, GA,GA (VA was first and
written over)
, Maria, black, female, age 6, GA,GA,GA

Heard County, GA - Cooksville, sheet 3A, ED 1, 21 Apr. 1920

Poytress, Sherman, male, black, age 47, married, GA,GA,GA, farmer, own
account
, Mary, wife, female, black, age 27, married, GA,GA,GA
, George, son, black, age 15, laborer, attends school, GA,GA,GA
, Arthur, son, black, age 15, laborer, attends school, GA,GA,GA
, Sherman Jr., son, black, age 13, laborer, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
, Walter, son, black, age 13, laborer, attends school, GA,GA,GA
, Mary E., daughter, black, age 12, attends school, GA,GA,GA
, Parylee, daughter, black, age 10, GA,GA,GA
, Mollie, daughter, black, age 8, GA,GA,GA

Hope this helps, for now.

Take care,
Elaine







Deborah, I'm travelling right now & only have access to info I've
actually loaded into my genealogy program, versus other Poythress folks
whose names might appear in sources that cover the areas of Troup Co, GA
or Coweta Co, GA.

That said, while the names sound familiar, I don't presently see any
info about Sherman Poythress who you list as a Native American or his
wife Mary (maiden name not given in your query) who you list as an
Indian African American.

I noticed that the email account name on which you sent your message was
"Deborah Milligan" and from my memory it seems to me there were many
Milligans related to Poythresses somewhere in GA - perhaps Screven Co?

Maybe one of our List members more familiar with that area will
recognize Sherman & Mary, and will respond.

Good luck in your research,
Barbara Poythress Neal

Deborah Milligan wrote:
> Any information about "Sherman Poythress." 
>
> Black ground info:
>
> Race: Native American
>
> Place of residence:
> Troup County, LaGrange, Georgia or
> Coweta County, Newnan, Georgia
>
> Approximate life spam:
> 1870's to  about 1935
>
> Occupation:
> Sharecropper
>
> Last known wife:
> Mary Poythress - Indian African American
>
> My E-mail Address
> duncantazz@yahoo.com or
> sdjrw@lycos.com
>
> Thanks,
> D. Poythress
> 27 May 2003		05/27/2003 2:34:12
Sherman & Mary Poythress of GABarbara P. NealDeborah, I'm travelling right now & only have access to info I've
actually loaded into my genealogy program, versus other Poythress folks
whose names might appear in sources that cover the areas of Troup Co, GA
or Coweta Co, GA.

That said, while the names sound familiar, I don't presently see any
info about Sherman Poythress who you list as a Native American or his
wife Mary (maiden name not given in your query) who you list as an
Indian African American.

I noticed that the email account name on which you sent your message was
"Deborah Milligan" and from my memory it seems to me there were many
Milligans related to Poythresses somewhere in GA - perhaps Screven Co?

Maybe one of our List members more familiar with that area will
recognize Sherman & Mary, and will respond.

Good luck in your research,
Barbara Poythress Neal

Deborah Milligan wrote:
> Any information about "Sherman Poythress."
>
> Black ground info:
>
> Race: Native American
>
> Place of residence:
> Troup County, LaGrange, Georgia or
> Coweta County, Newnan, Georgia
>
> Approximate life spam:
> 1870's to about 1935
>
> Occupation:
> Sharecropper
>
> Last known wife:
> Mary Poythress - Indian African American
>
> My E-mail Address
> duncantazz@yahoo.com or
> sdjrw@lycos.com
>
> Thanks,
> D. Poythress
> 27 May 2003
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
>
>		05/27/2003 6:31:07
messageDeborah MilliganAny information about "Sherman Poythress."

Black ground info:

Race: Native American

Place of residence:
Troup County, LaGrange, Georgia or
Coweta County, Newnan, Georgia

Approximate life spam:
1870's to about 1935

Occupation:
Sharecropper

Last known wife:
Mary Poythress - Indian African American

My E-mail Address
duncantazz@yahoo.com or
sdjrw@lycos.com

Thanks,
D. Poythress
27 May 2003		05/27/2003 7:27:53
Sherman & Mary Poythress of GABarbara P. NealHi D. Poythress,

I just noticed today that the initial message you sent about Sherman &
Mary had 2 different email addresses for you, and I have no way of
knowing whether you are a subscriber to the Poythress-List, so I don't
know whether you saw the responses Elaine & I have posted to the List
for you. In case you haven't seen them, I'll copy them here below a copy
of your original message. I'm scrunching the paragraphs more closely in
each of the messages to save space.
Cheers,
Barbara Poythress Neal

Re your original message on 27 May 2003:
> Any information about "Sherman Poythress."
Black ground info:
Race: Native American
Place of residence:
Troup County, LaGrange, Georgia or
Coweta County, Newnan, Georgia
Approximate life spam:
1870's to about 1935
Occupation:
Sharecropper
Last known wife:
Mary Poythress - Indian African American
My E-mail Address
duncantazz@yahoo.com or
sdjrw@lycos.com
Thanks,
D. Poythress
27 May 2003
= = = =
I responded on 27 May:
> Deborah, I'm travelling right now & only have access to info I've
actually loaded into my genealogy program, versus other Poythress folks
whose names might appear in sources that cover the areas of Troup Co, GA
or Coweta Co, GA.
That said, while the names sound familiar, I don't presently see any
info about Sherman Poythress who you list as a Native American or his
wife Mary (maiden name not given in your query) who you list as an
Indian African American.
I noticed that the email account name on which you sent your message
was "Deborah Milligan" and from my memory it seems to me there were many
Milligans related to Poythresses somewhere in GA - perhaps Screven Co?
Maybe one of our List members more familiar with that area will
recognize Sherman & Mary, and will respond.
Good luck in your research,
Barbara Poythress Neal
= = = =
And Elaine responded a bit later the same day with lots of info:
> Hi Deborah. I happen to be working on Georgia for a census project I
am putting together. I have run across the name Sherman Poythress a
couple of times so far. Hopefully I will have more information on your
Sherman, when I have completed the state of Georgia, in a few weeks.

>So far, (Elaine has found Sherman in 2 households, in 1880 & 1920):

Troup County, GA - Harrisonville, pg. 542D, ED 126, date 9 June 1880:
Poythress, Dick, black, male, age 50, married, farmer, cannot read or
write, born Virginia, father born Virginia, mother born VA
, Bell, black, female, age 45, married, cannot read or write, self,
father and mother all born Virginia
, Joe, black, male, age 22, laborer, cannot read or write, GA,VA,VA
, Buell, black, male, age 20, laborer, cannot read or write, GA,VA,VA
, Nancy, black, female, age 16, laborer, GA,VA,VA
, Sherman, black, male, age 14, laborer, GA, VA,VA
, Rich, black, male, age ?11, laborer, GA, VA,VA
, Mollie, black, male, age 25, widowed/divorced, GA,VA,VA
, Eddie, black, male, age 8, GA, GA,GA (VA was first and written over)
, Maria, black, female, age 6, GA,GA,GA

Heard County, GA - Cooksville, sheet 3A, ED 1, 21 Apr. 1920:
Poytress, Sherman, male, black, age 47, married, GA,GA,GA, farmer, own
account
, Mary, wife, female, black, age 27, married, GA,GA,GA
, George, son, black, age 15, laborer, attends school, GA,GA,GA
, Arthur, son, black, age 15, laborer, attends school, GA,GA,GA
, Sherman Jr., son, black, age 13, laborer, attends school, GA,GA,GA
, Walter, son, black, age 13, laborer, attends school, GA,GA,GA
, Mary E., daughter, black, age 12, attends school, GA,GA,GA
, Parylee, daughter, black, age 10, GA,GA,GA
, Mollie, daughter, black, age 8, GA,GA,GA

Hope this helps, for now.
Take care,
Elaine		05/28/2003 10:26:14
Sherman Poythress & Messages to our P-ListBarbara P. NealHi Bud (& all),

Thanks for your response copied to me (copy below) re Sherman Poythress.
I appreciate learning that you responded to the sender & appreciate
learning what you can recall about Sherman Poythress.

You (& all our List members, for that matter) might want/need to know
that not all messages to our Poythress-List are from people who
subscribe to the List. This is because at our website, "Poythress
Surname History & Genealogy Research Web Pages" there is a place toward
the bottom of the main webpage where anyone can click to "Send an email
message to the Poythress Mailing List"

And if someone clicks on that, they can fill in a pre-addressed email to
our List. That email comes to each of us who DO subscribe, looking just
like any email from a List subscriber, bearing the tag-line at the
bottom that indicates the email was distributed by the List.

(I think that process is referred to by other lists when they say
something like: Messages sent thru this website are "gatewayed" to our
subscriber list.)

Unless the sender says in his/her email that he/she is not a subscriber,
then we have no way of knowing they aren't subscribing & won't see our
responses sent only to the List.

Thus, when you & I initially responded directly to the Deborah Milligan
email (without sending a copy to our List), none of our List subscribers
got to see our responses.

And, when Elaine initially responded directly to the Poythress-List with
her response intended for D.Poythress who sent the Deborah Milligan
email, our List subscribers could see Elaine's response, but we have no
way of knowing if the sender D.Poythress could see the response.

So, if we want to be sure a sender sees our responses, and if we aren't
SURE that new sender is a subscriber, the best way to handle any
response is to send the response to all of these:
- the automatic "reply" address for that sender's email
- AND with a copy to the P-List (so all subscribers can see the
response & benefit from the info in it)
- AND to any other email addresses shown in the sender's message as in
the case of D.Poythress who sent the Deborah Milligan email, and who
said the following at the end of that email:
"My E-mail Address
duncantazz@yahoo.com or
sdjrw@lycos.com
Thanks,
D. Poythress
27 May 2003"

Hope this info helps. Thanks again, Bud, for your recollections
regarding Sherman Poythress & my very best regards to you & yours -
Barbara (BPN)

bpoythress wrote on 5/28/03:
> Hi Barbara,
> I responded to Deborah below, and thought I had Cc'ed you a copy. But upon
> seeing your later message this evening, I check and found that I had not.
> So am forwarding a copy now. I hope I am right in my recollection on the
> name Sherman Poythress. And as you may note, Deborah's message below did go
> through:
>
>
> Hope this finds you well and the family in great spirits.
> Please give 'em ALL our regards and our very best wishes.
> Bud
> ===================================
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bpoythress"
> To: "Deborah Milligan"
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:17 PM
> Subject: Re: message
> Hi Deborah:
> If my memory hasn't become too clogged with spider webs, and I hope I'm not
> mistaken here, but at 82 sometimes the memory really does slip out a bit.
> But a very nice sounding 'black' lady in Atlanta, some 4-5 year ago,
> contacted our son (Joseph E. "Gene" Poythress, II, a CPA living near
> Atlanta and with an office in Roswell, GA) who in turn referred her to me.
> She had simply looked up a Poythress in the phone book she said and gave him
> a call. So the lady wrote me a very interesting letter, and wrote that she
> was an African-American and to ask her any questions I would like to ask.
> And I believe she said she was the daughter of a "Sherman Poythress", (a
> negro share-cropper), and that she grew up in the western part of GA in
> Heard County. Sorry but I do not recall her last (married) name, but I
> responded with whatever info I had and thought she might be interested in
> and never heard from her again.
> At that time we had a member of the Poythress Research Group, a lady
> originally from Hopewell, VA but then living in TN, who was researching
> "black and Indian" families connections and/or with the "Poythress" as their
> last name, and I referred her to that TN member.
> Additionally, I also passed that info on to the '2' Barbaras BPN & BPW as
> well as to J. Maynard Poythress. Maybe Barbara Neal can come up with some
> later info on her once she returns to her home in CA. As you may not know
> Barbara P. Neal is originally from Birmingham, AL.
> As ever,
> LeRoof "Bud" Poythress
> Wilmington, NC (but originally from Savannah, GA)
> Phone: (910) 452-6338
> ===================================
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deborah Milligan"
> To:
>
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:27 PM
>>Subject: message
>>
>>>Any information about "Sherman Poythress."
>>>Black ground info:
>>>Race: Native American
>>>Place of residence:
>>>Troup County, LaGrange, Georgia or
>>>Coweta County, Newnan, Georgia
>>>Approximate life spam:
>>>1870's to about 1935
>>>Occupation:
>>>Sharecropper
>>>Last known wife:
>>>Mary Poythress - Indian African American
>>>
>>>My E-mail Address
>>>duncantazz@yahoo.com or
>>>sdjrw@lycos.com
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>D. Poythress
>>>27 May 2003
>>>==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
>>>Poythress Genealogy Research Web
>>>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		05/29/2003 3:38:35
Sherman - Nancy & Mary Poythress/Troup County, GAHi Deborah. I am also posting our correspondence to the Poythress List, in
case someone else has information on your line or is searching, like you, for
information on this Poythress line. Most of the information I have on your
Sherman is what I sent in the last email. I did find out today, that it appears
Sherman was married twice.

From Marriage Records at Ancestry.com:
Sherman Portice and Nancy Ringer married in Troup County, GA on 11 Nov. 1885.


When I have finished the Federal Census for the state of Georgia, in a few
weeks, there will be more information. I found them in 1930 and the younger
children, including your father Brenson are on it. It looks like, most of the
children on the 1920 census, may be by the first wife Nancy and the four new names
(Rosa, Charlie, ?Neether and Brinson) that appear on the 1930 census, are by
Mary. All of the 1930 information will be in the Georgia portion of the
project and posted to the Poythress List in a few weeks.

As far as migration and Indians, I will turn that over to some of my fellow
researchers. I am clueless when it comes to that type of information but there
are some geographical/historical experts on the list, ( I call them The Pros)
who could give you some information on that subject. OK Pros, I am counting on
ya'll, to answer this part of Deborah's inquiry.

Deborah are you a member of the free Poythress list at rootsweb? If you are
not, it would be a great idea to join. You would receive an email, anytime new
information was posted to the list, such as the Georga Census information I am
working on and you can search all information that has been posted in the
past. If you are not a member and would like to join, let me and I will tell you
how.

Take care,
Elaine

Deborah wrote:

Thanks the 1880 and 1920 census helped alot.
Thank - you for responding so quickly.  Positive truth that my grandfather
was Indian was held by my aunts Bertha, Parrie and Mollie who had pictures
showing him with two long  braids. Since my father, Brenson was the baby of twelve
children, he didn't know a lot about his father Sherman, who died when my
father was eight years old.

Sherman Poythress, my grandfather, had sisters, Mindora amd Rachel I think.
Could you send me all of the info you have about my grandfather and his
father.  I'm wondering where these indains migrated from since I'm almost sure they
didn't come from the Western States. 

Please e-mail me what you know about my family including their names.

Thanks, 

Deborah Milligan,

duncantazz@yahoo.com		05/29/2003 7:22:24
Re: Fw: messagebpoythressHi Deborah:

Small world isn't it? Glad to hear from you again.

I'm sorry I haven't any further info specifically on your Poythress family
line. However, I am sending a copy of this message, along with your
response, to the Poythress Research Group (e-mail address: --
> POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com <) and especially to Barbara P. Neal's
attention. Hopefully she or someone else in the group might have some info
that can help you in your research. Hope so anyway.

As ever,

Bud Poythress
=======================================



----- Original Message -----
From: "Deborah W Milligan"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: message


> Yes, I'm the lady who called you some years ago. I saved your letter. Hope
all is well. Sorry I didn't follow-up. Now I have a few extra minutes to
write.
>
> Thank - you for responding so quickly. Positive truth that my grandfather
was Indian was held by my aunts Bertha, Parrie and Mollie who had pictures
showing him with two long braids. Since my father, Brenson was the baby of
twelve children, he didn't know a lot about his father Sherman, who died
when my father was eight years old.
>
> Sherman Poythress, my grandfather, had sisters, Mindora amd Rachel I
think. Could you send me all of the info you have about my grandfather and
his father. I'm wondering where these indians migrated from since I'm
almost sure they didn't come from the Western States.
>
> Please e-mail me what you know about my family including their names.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Deborah Milligan,
>
> duncantazz@yahoo.com
>
> --
>
> --------- Original Message ---------
>
> DATE: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:52:04
> From: "Deborah Milligan"
> To:
> Cc:
>
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "bpoythress"
> >To: "Deborah Milligan"
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:17 PM
> >Subject: Re: message
> >
> >
> >> Hi Deborah:
> >>
> >> If my memory hasn't become too clogged with spider webs, and I hope I'm
> >not
> >> mistaken here, but at 82 sometimes the memory really does slip out a
bit.
> >>
> >> But a very nice sounding 'black' lady in Atlanta, some 4-5 year ago,
> >> contacted our son (Joseph E. "Gene" Poythress, II, a CPA living near
> >> Atlanta and with an office in Roswell, GA) who in turn referred her to
me.
> >> She had simply looked up a Poythress in the phone book she said and
gave
> >him
> >> a call. So the lady wrote me a very interesting letter, and wrote that
> >she
> >> was of African-American and to ask her any questions I would like to
ask.
> >> And I believe she said she was the daughter of a "Sherman Poythress",
(a
> >> negro share-cropper), and that she grew up in the western part of GA in
> >> Heard County. Sorry but I do not recall her last (married) name, but I
> >> responded with whatever info I had and thought she might be interested
in
> >> and never heard from her again.
> >>
> >> At that time we had a member of the Poythress Research Group, a lady
> >> originally from Hopewell, VA but then living in TN, who was researching
> >> "black and Indian" families connections and/or with the "Poythress" as
> >their
> >> last name, and I referred her to that TN member.
> >>
> >> Additionally, I also passed that info on to the '2' Barbaras BPN & BPW
as
> >> well as to J. Maynard Poythress. Maybe Barbara Neal can come up with
> >some
> >> later info on her once she returns to her home in CA. As you may not
know
> >> Barbara P. Neal is originally from Birmingham, AL.
> >>
> >> As ever,
> >>
> >> LeRoof "Bud" Poythress
> >> Wilmington, NC (but originally from Savannah, GA)
> >> Phone: (910) 452-6338
> >> ===================================
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Deborah Milligan"
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:27 PM
> >> Subject: message
> >>
> >>
> >> > Any information about "Sherman Poythress."
> >> >
> >> > Black ground info:
> >> >
> >> > Race: Native American
> >> >
> >> > Place of residence:
> >> > Troup County, LaGrange, Georgia or
> >> > Coweta County, Newnan, Georgia
> >> >
> >> > Approximate life spam:
> >> > 1870's to about 1935
> >> >
> >> > Occupation:
> >> > Sharecropper
> >> >
> >> > Last known wife:
> >> > Mary Poythress - Indian African American
> >> >
> >> > My E-mail Address
> >> > duncantazz@yahoo.com or
> >> > sdjrw@lycos.com
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > D. Poythress
> >> > 27 May 2003
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> >> > Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> >> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
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> http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005		05/30/2003 2:23:21
Sherman Poythress & Indian ancestryBarbara P. NealHi Deborah (& all),

Thanks for your further emails, Deborah, & thanks to Elaine for the
great additional marriage info. Deborah, if you'll subscribe to the
Poythress-List, as Bud mentioned, then you will not have to re-do your
responses to each of us individually, but instead can send just one
response to the Poythress-List. It is easy to subscribe at the Poythress
Research website, near the bottom of its main page, at:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

You shouldn't have any trouble subscribing, but if you find it confusing
Elaine has offered to help you.

Now re your question about Sherman's Indian ancestry, I'm not as expert
on this as some of our List subscribers thru the years have been, but I
can tell the short version:

Indians lived not just in the western U.S., but also all over the
eastern half of this country for many, many years. Even after Whites &
Blacks began settling Georgia, most of what is now the state of Georgia
& almost all of what is now the state of Alabama were designated "Indian
Territory." Settlers who had any need to cross Indian Territory needed a
Passport. Georgia issued such Passports.

Indian tribes in the Southeastern U.S. (Ga, Ala, Fla) included at least
Cherokee, Chickasaw, & Creeks.

Many Whites & Blacks took their mates from Indians. The children and
even grandchildren & great-grandchildren still had enough Indian blood
to look like & even to qualify legally for being classified as Indians.

At the time of the Trail of Tears, after the Cherokees had lost the
series of Indian Wars to the U.S. and signed the Treaty of Dancing
Rabbit Creek, around 1832 or so as I recall, the Cherokee nation was
marched under guard off to Oklahoma, and Alabama was able to become a
state in the U.S. rather than remain a Territory.

Many of their mixed blood descendants did not leave Ga & Ala, to go to
Okla, but instead stayed where they had always lived in Ga & Ala; many
of their descendants are still there in families such as yours and no
doubt many of ours.

Thanks again for staying in communication. We all benefit from sharing
our research efforts. If I find additional info on your family when I
get back home, I'll write again so the whole Poythress-List can benefit
from it. Good luck in your research -
Barbara (BPN)

Denver145@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Deborah. I am also posting our correspondence to the Poythress List, in
> case someone else has information on your line or is searching, like you, for
> information on this Poythress line. Most of the information I have on your
> Sherman is what I sent in the last email. I did find out today, that it appears
> Sherman was married twice.
>
>>From Marriage Records at Ancestry.com:
> Sherman Portice and Nancy Ringer married in Troup County, GA on 11 Nov. 1885.
>
> When I have finished the Federal Census for the state of Georgia, in a few
> weeks, there will be more information. I found them in 1930 and the younger
> children, including your father Brenson are on it. It looks like, most of the
> children on the 1920 census, may be by the first wife Nancy and the four new names
> (Rosa, Charlie, ?Neether and Brinson) that appear on the 1930 census, are by
> Mary. All of the 1930 information will be in the Georgia portion of the
> project and posted to the Poythress List in a few weeks.
>
> As far as migration and Indians, I will turn that over to some of my fellow
> researchers. I am clueless when it comes to that type of information but there
> are some geographical/historical experts on the list, ( I call them The Pros)
> who could give you some information on that subject. OK Pros, I am counting on
> ya'll, to answer this part of Deborah's inquiry.
>
> Deborah are you a member of the free Poythress list at rootsweb? If you are
> not, it would be a great idea to join. You would receive an email, anytime new
> information was posted to the list, such as the Georga Census information I am
> working on and you can search all information that has been posted in the
> past. If you are not a member and would like to join, let me and I will tell you
> how.
> Take care, Elaine
>
> Deborah wrote:
>
> Thanks the 1880 and 1920 census helped alot.
> Thank - you for responding so quickly. Positive truth that my grandfather
> was Indian was held by my aunts Bertha, Parrie and Mollie who had pictures
> showing him with two long braids. Since my father, Brenson was the baby of twelve
> children, he didn't know a lot about his father Sherman, who died when my
> father was eight years old.
>
> Sherman Poythress, my grandfather, had sisters, Mindora amd Rachel I think.
> Could you send me all of the info you have about my grandfather and his
> father. I'm wondering where these indains migrated from since I'm almost sure they
> didn't come from the Western States.
>
> Please e-mail me what you know about my family including their names.
> Thanks,
> Deborah Milligan,		05/30/2003 3:13:36
Sherman & Indians - More resourcesBarbara P. NealDeborah & all,

This is a recopied version of a message Maynard Poythress sent to the
Poythress-List back in Feb 1999 about Troup County, Georgia's Joseph &
Mary Poythress family. It calls to mind two additional avenues for you,
Deborah, to find out more:

- there is info such as the Study of this family that Maynard was
telling us about in 2/1999 at our Poythress Research website,
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

- and all of our Poythress-List's messages are archived & can be
searched for any word of interest, such as "Sherman" or "Indian" -- To
check the archives of messages, go to:
http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl
(and note that last letter in that web address is a lower-case "L" It is
not the number "1")
At that address, first type "Poythress" into the box to indicate that
the archives for the Poythress List is the one you want to search.
Then at the next screen you are sent to, click on one of the years
listed & type in whatever word you want to search & hit the search
button. Each of these years could well be of interest to you; I just
checked & even back in 1997 there were several messages you'd likely
want to read that have "Sherman" in them.
Good luck - Barbara (BPN)

To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
From: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com, Date: 2/13/99, 1:43 PM
Re: New Post

There is a new post on the webpage: the family of Joseph & Mary
Poythress of Troup County, Georgia. It is listed under charts and
studies. The "event line" begins in 1788 and concludes with the second
and third generations in 1880.

While this is a long read there are several interesting things about
this family:

1) the genealogical mystery is where did Joseph come from (other than
being born in 1788 in Warren County, Georgia). Later family given names
of Francis and Hardeman suggest he is part of the Virginia Prince George
family.....as is virtually everybody else.

2) Joseph accumulated upward of 100 slaves. More than a half dozen are
cited by name in various documents cited so if you have an A/A friend
doing Georgia or Alabama research it may be helpful.

Interestingly, at emancipation many of the slaves took (or had it given
to them before emancipation) the Poythress name. The 1870 Troup
County, Georgia census enumerates a number of Poythress families
designated "col". Few are left on the 1880 census so many had likely
moved west to Alabama or changed their names. The 1890 census doesn't
exist and by the 1900 census they are all gone.

3) Joseph was one of the founders and president of the trustees of
LaGrange Female Academy which later became (and still is) LaGrange
College, a regionally well regarded institutution. There was a wave of
these local private institutions for both women and men founded in the
late 1850's. Few of them survived the war.

4) son Francis Andrew Poythress (d. 1860 cause: "Liquor") married a
Caroline Ware who was a leader in the Nancy Harts, an organization of
women who armed themselves and trained regularly preparing for the
defense of LaGrange in Mr. Lincoln's war. While they had no opportunity
to prove military
capabilty, in 1865 they successfully prevailed on a commanding Federal
officer not to burn the place down.

5) the son "Frank Andrew" is Francis Andrew, the subject of the F. A.
Poythress Bible records which Barbara P. Neal has transcribed and had
published.

6) this was in almost every way a very unusual family. If the event
line were not so tragic it would be funny. It's not our first and no
doubt won't
be our last dysfunctional family but they likely set the standard.

Maynard		05/30/2003 3:49:07
Hollingsworth CardsJohn M. PoythressSome while ago I had access to the collection of Hollingsworth cards in
the Screven-Jenkins (GA) County Regional Library. Dixon Hollingsworth
and his father Clyde were editors of The Sylvania Telephone newspaper
which has been the newspaper of record for Screven County for well over
100 years.



At that time, all that was available was the 15,000+ "raw" cards with a
title surname followed by whatever genealogical or historical record the
Hollingsworths had recorded on that particular card. I selected the
Poythresses and related family surnames and copied that information in a
report to the board.



Well, there may have been 15,000+ cards but there were also 63,000+
individual names and facts recorded. Obviously, I missed many of these
as I did not go through the entire collection of 15,000 cards looking
for all the individual sub-texts.



NOW, however, the Hollingsworth cards have been digitalized on the
website for the Screven-Jenkins Regional Library. There is also a
search engine where one can obtain all the listings for a given
individual whether the individual is the "subject" of the card or buried
as part of the card's text.



The website is located at the library's site:
http://www.sjrls.public.lib.ga.us
..on this home page click on "genealogy" in the left hand column and the
Hollingsworth cards will be the top "banner" listing on the next page.
Unless you have broadband this will be a slow loader as the database is
quite large. Again, one should be reminded that these index cards
should not be confused with those of LEON Hollingsworth of Atlanta which
number 45,000+ cards. The Leon Hollingsworth cards have very little
Poythress information, practically none of significance, and were
documented earlier from its index.



It should also be mentioned that on these Sylvania cards there are
several variant spellings represented by one or more indexed cards. I
have checked each of these and there is nothing we don't already know on
the variant spelling cards. For practical purposes one may concentrate
on those cards using the conventional spelling as they are quite
numerous.



Maynard		06/03/2003 10:50:14
Florida Census/Part 1Poythress In The Census
Page 1


Florida

See the Introduction to this Project, for abbreviations used!!!!

1830
Gadsden County

Poythress, J.P. - pg. 141, 1 M 5-9, 1 M 10-14, 1 M 20-29, 1 M 30-39
1 F under 5, 1 F 5-9, 1 F 10-14, 1 F 15-19, 2 M slaves under 10, 1 M slave
36-54,
2 F slaves under 10, 1 F slave 36-54

1840
Gadsden County

Poythress, James P. - pg. 101, 1 M under 5, 1 M 10-14, 1 M 15-19, 1 M 40-49
1 F under 5, 1 F 10-14, 1 F 15-19, 1 F slave 24-34

1870
Gadsden County

HH 1287 - Chatahoochee PO, page 792, 13 July
Paytress, John P., age 34, male, white, farmer, $130 real est., $150 personal
est.,
born FL
, Mary A., age 24, female, white, born FL
, James M., age 3, male, white, born FL
, John P. Jr., age 1, male, white, born FL


1880

Gadsden County

HH 62 - District 8, page 254C, ED 55, 15-16 June
Poythress, John P., white, male, age 46, married, farmer, FL,GA,NC
, Mary A., white, female, age 37, wife, FL, Ireland, NC
, James M., white, male, age 13, son, laborer, cannot write,
FL,FL,FL
, John J., white, male, age 11, son, laborer, cannot read
and write, FL,FL,FL,
, Samuel A., white, male, age 9, son, help, FL,FL,FL
, Jessie A., white, female, age 7, daughter, FL,FL,FL
, Agustus A., white, male, age 5, son, FL,FL,FL
, William W., white, male, age 1, son, FL,FL,FL

1900
Page 2


Gadsden County

HH 22 - Blue Springs Twp., sheet 2A, ED 38, 2-4 June
Pogtress, John, white, male, born Sept. 1832, age 68, married 34 yrs.,
FL,GA,NC,
Farmer, owns free,farm
, Mary, wife, white, female, born Feb.1845, age 55, married 34
yrs., FL,Ireland,NC
, Jessie A., daughter, white, female, born Nov. 1875, age 24,
FL,FL,FL
, Mollie, daughter, white, female, born July 1883, age 16,
FL,FL,FL,
farm laborer, attends school
, Kate, daughter, white, female, born Nov. 1885, age 14,
FL,FL,FL
farm laborer, attends school
, Robert, son, white, male, born Feb. 1887, age 13, FL,FL,FL
farm laborer, attends school
, Ellen, daughter, white, female, born July 1890, age 9,
FL,FL,FL

1910
Gadsden County

HH 369 - Blue Springs Twp., sheet 19B, ED 33, 5 May
Poythress, Robert, male, white, age 24, GA,FL,FL, farmer/gen.farm, emp.,
Owns free/farm
, Mary, mother, female, white, age 65, widowed, 7 children,
7 living,
FL,Ireland,NC
, Mary E., sister, female, white, age 26, GA,FL,FL
, Ellen, sister, female, white, age 19, GA,FL,FL



HH 107 - Precinct 9, sheet 6A, ED 34, 20 Apr.
Poythress, J. M., male, white, age 40, married 9 yrs., FL,FL,FL
Laborer/?Botling Work, rents/house
, Fannie, wife, female, white, age ?28, married 9 yrs., 1
child, l living,
FL,FL,FL
, James E., son, male, white, age 4, FL,FL,FL

HH 249- of Henry Rogers, Precinct 9, sheet 13A, ED 34, 27, Apr.
Poythress, Jessie, niece, female, white, age 32, FL,FL,FL

HH 59 - Precinct 10, sheet 20A, ED 34, 5 May
Poythress, S. L., male, white, age 38, married 6 yrs., FL,FL,FL, farmer/home
farm,
Emp., owns free/farm
, ?Marvin, wife, female, white, age 23, married 6 yrs., 3
children, 0 living,
FL,SC,FL


1920
Page 3
Duval County

HH 1 - of Frank & Elspeath Wolf, 1st Precinct, sheet 19B, ED 42, 14 Jan.
Poythress, Ruby May, niece, female, white, age 19, attends school, GA,GA,GA

Gadsden County

HH 13 - Florida State Hospital, sheet 1A, ED 60, 2 Jan.
?Hatton, Edwin, rents, male, white, age 48, married, England, England,
England, Barber/State Hospital, wage
, ?Emil, wife, female, white, age 40, married, FL,AL,FL,
laundress/State Hospital, wage
Poythress, Earl, ?step-son, male, white, age 14, attends school, FL,FL,FL,
Chauffer/car (something), wage
, Irma, ?step-daughter, female, white, age 9, attends
school, FL,FL,FL

HH 63 - Blue Springs Twp., sheet 4A, ED 62, 6 Jan.
Poythress, Mary, owns/free, female, white, age 73, widowed, FL,Ireland,NC
, Jessie, female, white, age 42, FL,FL,FL
, Mollie, female, white, age 37, FL,FL,FL

HH 64 - Blue Springs Twp., sheet 4A, ED 62, 6 Jan.
Poythress, Bob, rents, male, white, age 32, FL,FL,FL, farmer/gen.farm, own
account


Volusia County

HH 9 - Samsula Twp., sheet 16A, ED 194, 10 Aug.
Poythress, Samuel E., male, white, age 48, married, FL,FL,FL, farmer
, ?Marvin, wife, female, white, age 36, married, FL,NC,GA

1930
Baker County

HH 32 - MacClenny Twp., sheet 2B, ED 4, no date given
Poythress, Charles W., rents, $15 monthly, male, white, age 61, married at
age 25,
AL,VA,SC, time keeper/nursery, wage
, Minnie M., wife, female, white, age 42, married at age 24,
AL,AL,AL
, Sarah, daughter, female, white, age 6, attends school,
AL,AL,AL
, Luta, daughter, female, white, age 5, AL,AL,AL
, Erin, daughter, female, white, age 4, AL,AL,AL
Tatt, Vernon, step-daughter, female, white, age 17, attends school, AL,AL,AL		06/05/2003 11:21:50
Florida Census/Part 21930 Cont.
Page 4


Broward County


HH 219 - Ft. Lauderdale City, sheet 10A, ED 8, 11 Apr.
Poythress, ?Mabrey A., rents, $15 monthly, male, white, age 29, married at
age 27,
VA,VA,VA, 1st Mate/USC Guard, wage
, Lucile, wife, female, white, age 26, married at age 24,
AL,FL,AL

HH - US Coast Guard Section/Base 6, sheet 8B, ED 10, 10 Apr.
Poythress, Wallace C., rents, $12 monthly, male, white, age 29, married at
age 27, VA,VA,VA, Bos'L Mate 1.C/USCG, wage

Dade County

HH 362 - Miami City, sheet 18A, ED 49, 21 May
Poythress, John A., rents, $35 monthly, male, white, age 38, married at age
25,
GA,GA,GA, carpenter/house, wage
, Mary E., wife, female, white, age 58, married at age 43,
GA,GA,GA


Duval County

HH 61 - Jacksonville, sheet 5A, ED 26, 5 Apr.
Poythress, John A., rents, $65 monthly, male, white, age 55, married at age
26, NC,VA,NC, manufacturer/insecticides, owns account,
, Effie L., wife, female, white, age 46, married at age ?15,
NC,NC,NC
, John A. Jr., son, male, white, age 26, NC,NC,NC,
adverticer/general,
owns account
, Willis E., son, male, white, age 20, married at age 20,
NC,NC,NC,
salesman/cake, wage
, Cecil A., son, male, white, age 17, attends school,
NC,NC,NC
, Emma J., daughter-in-law, female, white, age 19, married
at age 19,
FL,FL,FL


HH 214 - of Etta Smith, Jacksonville, sheet 29A, ED 9, 18 Apr.
Poythress, Norman L., son-in-law, male, white, age 26, married at age 21,
GA,GA,GA,
Meat cutter/meat, wage
, Clarice, daughter, female, white, age 25, married at age
20, OH,FL,OH

1930 Cont.
Page 5

Gadsden County

HH 97 - Blue Springs, sheet 5B, ED 18, 7 Apr.
Poythress, Robert ?E., owns/farm, male, white, age 44, married at age 37,
FL,FL,FL,
Farmer/gen. farm, E.
, Phoebe, wife, female, white, age ?43, married at age 20,
FL,FL,FL,
, Gene ?A., son, male, white, age 6, FL,FL,FL
, Frances, daughter, female, white, age 2 6/12, FL,FL,FL
, Jack, son, male, white, age 1/12, FL,FL,FL
, Mary A., mother, female, white, age 84, widowed, married
at age 17, FL,FL,FL
, Jessie, sister, female, white, age 46, FL,FL,FL
, Mollie, sister, female, white, age 45, FL,FL,FL

Volusia County

HH 59 - Samsula, sheet 2B, ED 63, 24 Apr.
Poythress, Sam A., owns, $5000 home value/farm, male, white, age 60,
married at age 34, FL,FL,FL, farmer/dairy farm, owns account
, Marvin, wife, female, white, age 46, married at age 20,
FL,NC,GA		06/05/2003 11:23:10
South Carolina Census/Part 1Poythress In The Census
Page 1


South Carolina

See the Introduction to this Project, for abbreviations used!!!!

1800

Beaufort County

Porteous, Alexander R. - St. Lukes Parish, pg. 126, 1 M under 10, 2 F 16-26
70 slaves

1810
Beaufort County

Portious, John - St. Helena Parish, pg. 136, 1 M 26-44, 8 slaves

1820
Beaufort County

Porteous, John - St. Helena Parish, pg. 7, 1 M 45+, 1 F 45+

Porteous, Elizabeth - St. Helena Parish, pg. 20, (Blank)

1830
Beaufort County

Porteous, John - St. Helena Parish, pg. 292, 1 M 40-49, 2 F under 5, 2 F 5-9,
1 F 40-49
1 M slave under 10, 2 M slaves 10-23, 2 M slaves 24-35, 2 M slaves 36-54,
2 M slaves 55-99, 1 F slave under 10, 2 F slaves 10-23, 2 F slaves 24-35,
2 F slaves 36-54, 2 F slaves 55-99

Charleston County

Poythress, Thomas - St.Thomas/St Dennis Parish, pg. 193, 1 M 40-49, 2 F
10-14,
1 F 15-19, 1 F 40-49, 10 M slaves under 10, 15 M slaves10-23, 10 M 24-35,
10 M slaves 36-54, 8 M slaves 55-99, 10 F slaves under 10, 10 F slaves10-23,
12 F slaves 24-35, 9 F slaves 36-54, 11 F slaves 55-99


1840
Page 2
Beaufort County

Portius, Mrs. ?L. - St. Helena Parish, pg. 7, 1 M 15-19, 2 F 5-9, 2 F 10-14,
1 F 50-59
1 M slave under 10, 2 M slaves 10-23, 1 M slave 24-35, 2 F slaves under 10,
2 F slaves 10-23, 2 F slaves 36-54

1850
Beaufort County

HH 51 - St. Helena Parish, pg. 3, 19-22 Oct.
Portress, Henry C., age 40, male, (occupation blank), born SC
, Elizabeth, age 40, female, born SC
, Elizabeth, age 18, female, born SC
, Geo. W., age 17, male, born SC
, Louise, age 14, female, born SC, attends school
, Hamilton, age 12, male, born SC, attends school
, Henry, age 8, male, born SC, attends school
, Ellen, age 5, female, born SC

HH 99 - St. Helena Parish, pg. 6, 12-13 Nov.
Porteous, Mary, age 60, female, value real est. $2600, born SC
, Elizabeth, age 24, female, born SC
, Anne, age 14, female, born SC

HH 105 - St. Helena Parish, pg. 7, 14-16 Nov.
Porteous, John F., age 25, male, planter, value real est. $4000, born SC
, Elizabeth, age 24, female, born SC
?Cuthbar, Thomas, age 15, male, born SC, attends school

HH 78 - Prince William Parish, pg. 19, 23 Sept.
Portress, Lydia, age 60, female, born SC, cannot read and write
?Denberly, Lydia, age 17, female, born SC, cannot read and write

Charleston County

HH 30 - St. James Santee Parish, pg. 366, 31 July
Poythress, Mrs., age 70, female, value real est. $187, born SC
Sheppard, D., age 13, male, born SC
McCraken, Miss, age 10, female, born SC

1860
Page 3
Beaufort County

HH 190 - St. Helena Parish, pg. 12, 20 Oct.
Porteoas, Mary F., age 70, female, value real est. $3000, value personal est.
$3000,
born SC
, Elizabeth, age 32, female, born SC

HH 449 - St. Peters Parish, pg. 66, 16 July
Portress, Henry C., age 51, male, planter, value real est. $2000,
value personal est. $4000, born SC
, Elizabeth, age 50, female, born SC
, George W., age 26, male, born SC
, John H., age 18, male, born SC
, Ellen P., age 13, female, born SC

1870
Beaufort County

HH 472 - St. Peters Parish, pg. 321, 26 Aug.
Portious, George, age 30, male, white, farmer, value real est. $500,
value personal est. $250, born SC
, Rebecca, age 28, female, white, born SC
, Mary, age 5, female, white, born SC
, Henry, age 2, male, white, born SC

HH 473 - St. Peters Parish, pg. 321, 26 Aug.
Portious, Henry, age 55, male, white, farmer, value real est. $200,
value personal est. $250, born SC
, Elizabeth, age 50, female, white, born SC

1880
Hampton County

HH 515 - Goethe Twp., pg. 45A, ED 117, 24 June
Portress, Geo. W., white, male, age 47, married, farmer, SC,SC,SC
, Rebecca, white, female, age 38, wife, married, SC,SC,SC
, Mary E., white, female, age 14, daughter, attends school,
cannot write, SC,SC,SC
, Henry C., white, male, age 12, son, farm labor, attends
school, cannot write, SC,SC,SC
, Louiza, white, female, age 10, daughter, attends school,
cannot read and write,
SC,SC,SC
, Carrie, white, female, age 5, daughter, SC,SC,SC		06/05/2003 11:34:10
South Carolina Census/Part 21880 Hampton County Cont.
Page 4

HH 522 - Goethe Twp., pg. 45B, ED 117, 24-25 June
Hull, Enock I., white, male, age 36, married, farmer, SC,SC,SC
, Ellen P., white, female, age 36, wife, married, SC,SC,SC
?Grisom, W.H., white, male, age 18, step-son, farm labor, attends school,
SC,SC,SC
Portress, Elizabeth, white, female, age 60, mother-in-law, disability -
?cancer on face, cannot read and write, SC,SC,SC

1900
Hampton County

HH 112 - Goethe Twp., sheet 7B, ED 54, 12 June
Portress, George W., white, male, born Dec. 1831, age 68, married 35 yrs.,
SC,SC,SC, farmer, owns free/farm
,Rebecca, wife, white, female, born Mar. 1842, age 58, married
35 yrs., SC,SC,SC
, Sallie, daughter, white, female, born Sept. 1880, age 19,
SC,SC,SC

1910
Hampton County

HH 187 - Goethe Twp. sheet 11A, ED 97, 10 May
Portress, Rebecca, female, white, age 78, widowed, SC,SC,SC, owns free/house

1920
Barnwell County

HH 24 - of P. Hair, Williston Twp., sheet 1B, ED 825, 2 Jan.
Poythress, ?Harry M., boarder, male, white, age 46, SC,SC,SC, agent/?, wage

Beaufort County

HH 121 - US Marine Camp, Parris Island, sheet 5B, ED 11, 8 April
Poytress, Fulton W., rents, $8 monthly, male, white, married at age 20,
GA,GA,GA
Mechanic/machine shop, wage
, Ottie, wife, female, white, age 34, married at age 23,
GA,GA,GA

1930
Page 5
Edgefield County

HH 189 - Johnston Twp., sheet 8B, ED 6, 5 Apr.
Poythress, Henry M., rents, $7 monthly, male, white, age 55, married at age
53, NC,NC,NC, agent/sewing machine, wage, veteran/Sp.
, Essie L., wife, female, white, age 34, married at age 19,
SC,SC,AL
Gay, Dorothy E., step-daughter, female, white, age 12, attends school,
SC,GA,SC
, Margaret M., step-daughter, female, white, age 10, attends school,
SC,GA,SC		06/05/2003 11:39:22
Florida and South Carolina Census/Additions-Corrections-DeletionsFlorida and South Carolina are on the board. Please have any Correction etc.,
sent personally to me, by June 19, 2003.

Denver145@aol.com

Take care,
Elaine		06/05/2003 11:43:33
Early Marriage in Chatham Co, GA Debbie Poythress-ConcepcionDuring one of my visits to the local archives I found the following marriage
entry in Chatham Co, GA and was wondering if anyone knew about this couple
as they would fall into the right age range for my William E. Poythress born
bet 1828 - 1833 in Screven Co, GA.

From: Early GA Marriage Roundup p. 232

Chatham Co, GA -

Porthryess, Wm m. Sarah M. Ross 8 Aug 1823

I'll have to check again, but I thought I saw a Wm. Poythress listed in
Screven Co, for the 1830 census (which could be this couple) but not in the
1840 time frame for either Screven or Chatham Co, which made them look all
the more appealing to me.

It also dawned on me if this couple were the parents of my Wm. E and they
died between 1831 - 1840, their children could have been sent to other
family members to be raised - an aunt or uncle, perhaps.
This could explain my finding an 18 yr old William Poythress and younger
Poythress girls (possibly his sisters) living in the household of Hester
Poythress (in her 50's) in 1850 Screven Co census.

Would be interested in hearing anything that might be known about this
couple to either include or eliminate them from my list of possible
"parents".

Thanks and keep up the great work!

Debbie

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Early Chatham MarriageJohn M. PoythressDebbie..see the P. page under "Wills & Estate Records" for the estate of
William Poythress and also his son William Poythress who died aged 6.



While there is only small room for doubt as to who he is (98% he is the
son of George Poythress of Burke County) he is most definitely not the
man you are looking for. At the end of this study I cite 3
possibilities as to who this William might be. First is son of George
Poythress and that has been confirmed with even more circumstantial
evidence since I wrote that thing up.



Of the other two Williams, one of them might be your man but I'm
inclined to doubt that too. At any rate, I think that "Wills & Estates"
item may help you on this one.



Best, Maynard		06/08/2003 9:16:26
Poythress DNA ProjectBarbara P. NealToday I (Barbara Poythress Neal) have set up a Poythress DNA Project
with Family Tree DNA; I will serve as the Project's Group Administrator
to coordinate the results. With this project I hope we can determine for
sure whether all the current Poythress lines in America (or at least all
the ones willing to participate in the DNA testing) are indeed descended
from one progenitor, who could be Francis Poythress (who came to America
by 1632). If we also get participants from England and from other
places, we can learn even more.

When men of the same surname have their Y-DNA (part that only passes
from a male to his male offspring) tested with a 12-marker test
(measuring only 12 of the markers within their Y-DNA), it can be
determined whether or not they are related thru a common ancestor, going
back over hundreds of years, and can give a probability that their Most
Recent Common Ancestor (abbreviated as MRCA in some of the company's
literature) occurred within a certain number of generations.

Since POYTHRESS is a relatively rare surname, by using the 25-marker
test (that measures 25 markers within Y-DNA), we can narrow it down even
more closely. Thus we have a great opportunity to see which Poythress
mens' markers indicate they are in distinct subgroups -- that is, which
Poythress men are related even more closely than just being "a
Poythress." If we get enough men tested, we should be able to see a
subgroup develop of those known to descend from, for example Lewis
Poythress, versus George Poythress, etc.

By registering it as a surname DNA project, the price per test kit is
much lower than it is for an individual wanting to just do the test on
his own. (An individual who is not part of a surname project would pay
$159 for the 12-marker test and $229 for the 25-marker test.) The group
prices go down to only $99 for the 12-marker test and only $169 for the
25-marker test.

From my checking around, FamilyTreeDNA seems to me to be the best for
doing this DNA testing for genealogy purposes. Their privacy commitment
& methodology are great, and the principal people involved in their
company are well qualified individuals

I encourage all of you to read more about it at the Family Tree DNA webpage:

www.familytreedna.com

And I especially encourage Poythress men descended from Poythress men to
participate in our Poythress DNA Project using the 25-marker Y-DNA test
kit. For females who are surnamed Poythress, if you have a father,
brother, male cousin, or uncle who is a Poythress descended from a
Poythress male, I hope you'll encourage him to participate.

It is interesting as you look at the website, to look at their
"Projects" page that indexes the various family names that people are
testing now; I see the Pace & Pennington families have already begun,
for example.

The procedure is painless and not intrusive for doing the test. The
genetic test kit consists of a cheek scraper and a collection tube.
In about five minutes, you will be able to read the instructions and
perform a painless cheek scraping. The effect of using the scraper is
about the same as brushing your cheek with a soft bristle toothbrush. A
backup scraper & tube is included to insure that a good sample is
obtained by our lab. Both should be used. (Note, at their webpage
describing "The Kit" you can see the testing kit itself pictured &
described -- http://www.familytreedna.com/kit.html )

That description of the test, and many other questions about the process
are addressed in the company's "Frequently Asked Questions" or FAQ page
on their website. I've shortened a few more of those items below.

I'll set up a link from the above website's Poythress DNA Project page
to our Poythress-Research website, where our esteemed webmaster can
include some of this info.

Thanks for reading this far!
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)

After the kit is returned to Family Tree DNA & the tests are conducted,
the results are entered into their secure, private and confidential
non-web-based genetic library. (They have the most stringent guidelines
for maintaining privacy; see the FAQ page for more details.) Then a
comparison between your specific genetic markers and those of others in
the database will then be performed and you will be notified if another
person matches your results. Your privacy is respected; a number rather
than your name is put on your test results.

Since the company is only testing your DNA to look at 25 (or 12) little
parts of the Y Chromosome, there is not any testing included to indicate
whether or not you show positive for any problematic disease gene.

For researching a family with many distinct branches, they mention that
it is prudent to test 2 different known male cousins from each different
branch of the family.		06/09/2003 10:06:21
Georgia Records at riskBarbara P. NealAttention List-members who have ancestors with records in Georgia:

I received the info below as part of the 6/14/03 newsletter-type of
email from Robert Scott Davis, Jr. captioned "Genealogy News From
Wallace State List 7" (a regularly scheduled mailing of genealogically
interesting info that he sends out to many people). You may recognize
his name as the author and compiler of many volumes of Georgia genealogy
info. I feel sure that if you wish to be added to his mailing list, you
could just send him an email requesting that: "Robert S. Davis"


This sounds quite serious; if any of you are able to reach people of
power in Georgia who could correct this situation, please do so.

Thanks, Barbara
= = = =
Robert S. Davis wrote:
> OUR LOCAL RECORDS MAY NOT SURVIVE TO THE END OF THE CENTURY
>
> I mailed the following letter to the Georgia Secretary of State at the
> request of a friend. Much of what follows applies to other states as
> well.
>
> Dear Secretary Cox
>
> You do not know me, although I have written many books on Georgia
> history and records. You impressed me with your speech to the Georgia
> Association of Historians last Spring. I wrote the original draft of
> the 1980 Georgia records act that gave some protection to local records
> in Georgia. A friend sent the information below to me. I also include my
> response. To what he says I could add my own horror stories but what he
> describes is more than bad enough.
>
> I have no idea as to your aspirations but whatever you plan, let me say
> that to be remembered as the Georgia Secretary of State who ended this
> mess this would make for you a special place in Georgia history. Anyone
> can be a name on a list but few of us have the opportunity to be
> recorded and remembered as a hero. Please note in my response, some
> ideas being tried or proposed in other states.
>
> Sincerely yours
>
> Robert S. Davis
> Professor of Genealogy and History
> Director, Family & Regional History Program
> Wallace State College
> PO Box 2000
> 801 N. Main Street
> Hanceville, AL 35077-200
> genws@hiwaay.net
>
> Dear Bob,
> I don't know if you have any ideas about how to solve this, but
> it seems to be a growing trend in Georgia. A number of counties are
> turning portions of their old county records over to local historical
> and genealogical societies that have inadequate resources or expertise
> to properly manage the records. The next step is almost inevitably the
> loss, destruction, or scattering of the records. In Washington County
> several years ago the Probate Judge gave all the older loose probate
> records to the Washington County Historical Society. The WCHS put the
> records in an unsupervised room of a frame house that constitutes their
> historical society building and headquarters. There is no photocopy
> machine in the building. People, who have no understanding of the
> records, come in, rummage around, and find something that interests
> them, and, in the absence of a copy machine or otherwise, take the
> record with them. Since they don't understand the system, they simply
> stick the remaining records they pulled out back in the filing cabinets
> in some random location.
> For the past several days I have been working on an extensive
> title research project in Camden County. Camden County has never had a
> fire, so it has practically all of its records going back to the 1780s,
> including records about Nathanael Greene, Lighthorse Harry Lee, and
> Anthony Wayne. I was looking for an old superior court file and no one
> in the courthouse knew where the loose superior court records were. I
> finally found out there is a library called the Bryan-Lang Historical
> Library about a block from the courthouse and that all the older loose
> county records have been given to it. When I went there to look for the
> file, I was shocked at what they are doing with the records. They have
> two ladies who have no concept of the difference between a probate file,
> a superior court file, or any other county records. What they were
> doing was creating a huge set of file folders with the last names of
> people on them. Then they were going through the loose county
> records and whatever names appeared at or near the top of a particular
> document, they filed the document under that name in the folders. The
> result is to make a mishmash of the records, similar to File II in the
> Georgia Archives. There is no regard for the principle of respect des
> fonds and the people obviously have no concept of it.
> One aggravating phenomenon I have run up with on several
> occasions is that as county administrations change, the later personnel
> don't know that a previous administration gave the records to some other
> institution. On more than one occasion when I was looking for a
> particular set of records no one in the courthouse knew where they
> were. Weeks or months later I would find out they were at some library
> or historical society. Just wanted to pass this along.
>
> Another issue is the theft of county records. I periodically find
> official loose county records for sale at antique stores and flea
> markets. The original files have been broken up and the documents are
> for sale separately. I have repeatedly reported these thefts to the
> clerks of court, probate judges, and sheriffs, and nothing is done about
> it. Several months ago someone stole a 1790s rebound and laminated deed
> book from the Bryan County courthouse. They then went thru it, cut out
> the deeds for slaves, and sold them. Apparently the party who bought
> some of the slave deeds later realized they were courthouse records, got
> a guilty conscience, and, not knowing which courthouse they came from,
> brought them to the Chatham County clerk of court. No attempt was made
> to trace the origin of the cut-out copies through the person who brought
> them in.
>
> My (Robert S. Davis) response:
>
> I agree with you and I have a long list of my own horror stories. A few
> years back, I know that some of the members of the Georgia genealogical
> Society were working with some legislative committee to bring some order
> out of the chaos of Georgia's local records keeping. I have no idea how
> that finally turned out. Even in Bibb County, Georgia, where I found the
> county employees to be nice but overworked, the records are a chamber of
> horrors. It could be a poster child for how not to manage records.
>
> Georgia could learn from other states. In North Alabama we have several
> county archives that are operated jointly by county officials/ local
> historical and genealogical societies. Considering the lack of funding,
> the records could not be in better hands. In Blount and Cullman
> counties, we have county archives in the court houses and, in each, a
> paid archivist. These people could use some professional training and
> more money but again, it is such a pleasure to just walk in, ask for a
> record and it is carefully placed on the table before you, ready for you
> to use. The LDS is also working with our local groups and county
> officials to microfilm the Alabama loose county records. The tuff that
> this project is turning up is amazing. The other day, the director of
> one of our co-op county archives told me that Tennessee has recently
> passed some records management laws with teeth. Years ago, the
> Mississippi Genealogical Society tried very hard to have laws passed to
> create county archives in every county in that state. The politicians,
> however, did a song and dance that kept the bill from being passed while
> not looking like anyone was specifically to blame.
>
> Would it be all right if I passed your letter on to Cathy Cox? She will
> certainly pass it on to the new director of the Georgia Department of
> Archives and History. An official letter from someone like him or Cox
> could put "the spirit of the Lord" into some local clown.		06/15/2003 10:16:03
Re: Howard Tucker - Son of John Tucker and Martha PoythressBarbara P. NealYou are making great finds, Elaine, and have a great knack for ability
to remember all the associated surnames with our various Poythress folks
when you are looking thru posted info!

I went back & found your earlier message about this couple, & am pasting
it below today's message, so that we can have all the info you've found
on them together here at this time.

As far as I know, no one responded to your earlier question about how
long Martha Poythress Tucker lived. Looking forward to any further info
you might get re Martha from the person who posted the Tucker inquiry.
BPN

On 6/18/03 Denver145@aol.com wrote:
> Hello to all. I found an interesting tidbit on a message board at
> Ancestry.com. A person was inquiring about Tuckers of Sumter County,
AL. She was looking
> for information on a Howard Tucker, born in 1856 in Sumter, married a
Janie
> Gillis, who was the son of John Tucker and Martha Poythress. I
thought this was
> added proof, that the John N. and Martha J. Tucker I found in the
1850 Sumter
> County, Alabama Census, was indeed the daughter and son-in-law of David
> Poythress of Mecklenburg, VA.
>
> I emailed the individual and hope to get a response and added
information on
> Martha's family.
>
> Take care,
> Elaine

From: Denver145@aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 13:45:06 EST
Subject: Martha Jane Poythress Tucker????
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com

Hello to all. Hope everyone had a GREAT Holiday Season.

While working on a census project, I ran across this family in Sumter,
Alabama.

1850 - Paynesville Twp - page 280, lines 14-17, date 15 Oct.

John N. Tucker, age 25, male, farmer, born VA
Martha J. , age 20, female, born VA
Caroline S., age 19, female, born VA
Evelina F., age 17, female, born VA

If this is Martha Jane Poythress, daughter of David and Mary Speed
Poythress, who married John N. Tucker on 18 Oct. 1848, in Mecklenburg
VA, then this might be the reason James Edward and Catherine Poythress,
moved to Sumter, AL.

John and Martha Tucker are not in Payneville, or Sumterville, in the
1860 census. Does anyone know where Martha died, prior to the
Administration of the Estate of David Poythress?

Take care,
Elaine		06/18/2003 7:40:16
Howard Tucker - Son of John Tucker and Martha PoythressHello to all. I found an interesting tidbit on a message board at
Ancestry.com. A person was inquiring about Tuckers of Sumter County, AL. She was looking
for information on a Howard Tucker, born in 1856 in Sumter, married a Janie
Gillis, who was the son of John Tucker and Martha Poythress. I thought this was
added proof, that the John N. and Martha J. Tucker I found in the 1850 Sumter
County, Alabama Census, was indeed the daughter and son-in-law of David
Poythress of Mecklenburg, VA.

I emailed the individual and hope to get a response and added information on
Martha's family.

Take care,
Elaine		06/18/2003 9:14:31
BENJAMIN POYTHRESS b. 1808Caroline FikeI believe my great grandfather Benjamin Poythress, born 1808, is related to the Benjamin Poythress whose parents were William Poythress and Mary Epes. However, I have found no documentation to confirm this. It is likely that my Benjamin is the grandson of the earlier Benjamin. Does anyone on the list have any hint?

Thanks,
Caroline Fike		06/25/2003 1:37:50
Does anyone know who this Leal Portress is?Franklin County, North Carolina Court Minutes



Minutes for September Term 1786

Ordered that Leal portreSs an Orphan Twelve years of age the twentyeth day of
August last, be bound unto Thomas Ownby till he arrive to the age of Twenty
one
years & that he learn him to read & write and the planters busineSs.		06/28/2003 6:47:43
Obit Eloise (nee DeLoach) widow of Poythress & Moss, Jan 10 2003, SavannahBarbara P. NealFound this today in the web postings of the Carolina Morning News:

Carolina Morning News on the web – Low Country Now –
Web posted Friday, January 10, 2003

Eloise D. Moss

Eloise DeLoach Poythress Moss, 81, of Savannah, Georgia, widow of
Matthew Poythress and Charles H. Moss, died Wednesday afternoon, January
8, 2003, at her home under the care of Hospice Savannah. She will be
deeply missed by all who knew her. Born in Daisy, Georgia, she was a
daughter of the late Herbert DeLoach and Anna Byrd DeLoach. Mrs. Moss
was a life-long member of Savannah Christian Church. She worked over 15
years at Johnny Ganems Restaurant and later owned and operated Mama
Mosss Daycare Center from her home. In addition to her husbands and
parents, her son, William Poythress, preceded her in death. Surviving
are her son and daughter-in-law, Neal and Sara Poythress of Okatie,
South Carolina; her daughter, Kim Moss of Savannah, Georgia; three
sisters, Claudine Alewine of Arizona, and Melrose Collins and Ruby
Gravenstein, both of Savannah, Georgia; one brother, James H. DeLoach of
Savannah, Georgia; four grandchildren, Kelly Williams, Chuck Poythrees,
Don Poythress and Lisa Moss; six great-grandchildren, and many nieces
and nephews. The family will receive friends from 6 until 8 oclock
Friday evening at Sipple Mortuary. Funeral service will be held at 1
oclock Saturday afternoon in the Chapel of Sipple Mortuary conducted by
The Reverend T. Campbell Huxford, III. Interment will be in Bonaventure
Cemetery. Remembrances: Hospice Savannah, Post Office Box #13190,
Savannah, Georgia 31416. Sipple Mortuary and Crematory Funeral Directors
Savannah Morning News, January 10, 2003		06/30/2003 11:07:17
Re: Obit Eloise (nee DeLoach) widow of Poythress & Moss, Jan 10 2003, SavannahbpoythressHi Barbara:

Hope all is well with you and the family

The lady, Eloise DeLoach Poythress Moss, was the widow of my 1st Cousin, the
late Matthew Poythress (who committed suicide by hanging himself in jail).
This Matthew Poythress, my 1st cousin was the son of my uncle, and my Dad's
2nd oldest brother, Montague Matthew Poythress and his 2nd wife, and he was
born in Screven County 10/03/1887 & d. in Savannah, GA 2/27/1968.

I met this Eloise DeLoach Poythress (Moss by her 2nd marriage) once at one
of the Effingham county Poythress family reunions sometimes around 1985-86.
I found her to be a very friendly person, and another of my 1st cousins,
John(ny) M. Poythress now living near Rincon, GA, knew her very well and
also said she was a very fine person.

She and Matthew had '2' sons, and they were only about 6 and 8 years old
when their father killer himself. The younger, Neal, was with her at that
family reunion, the other and older son I also met only once at my Uncle
"Doc", Fulton William Poythress' funeral in 1987.

Eloise obviously married a Moss, as her 2nd husband, sometimes after the
time I first met her.

I hope this is clear to you.

Bud
===================================

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 8:07 PM
Subject: Obit Eloise (nee DeLoach) widow of Poythress & Moss, Jan 10 2003,
Savannah


> Found this today in the web postings of the Carolina Morning News:
>
> Carolina Morning News on the web – Low Country Now –
> Web posted Friday, January 10, 2003
>
> Eloise D. Moss
>
> Moss, 81, of Savannah, Georgia, widow of
> Matthew Poythress and Charles H. Moss, died Wednesday afternoon, January
> 8, 2003, at her home under the care of Hospice Savannah. She will be
> deeply missed by all who knew her. Born in Daisy, Georgia, she was a
> daughter of the late Herbert DeLoach and Anna Byrd DeLoach. Mrs. Moss
> was a life-long member of Savannah Christian Church. She worked over 15
> years at Johnny Ganems Restaurant and later owned and operated Mama
> Mosss Daycare Center from her home. In addition to her husbands and
> parents, her son, William Poythress, preceded her in death. Surviving
> are her son and daughter-in-law, Neal and Sara Poythress of Okatie,
> South Carolina; her daughter, Kim Moss of Savannah, Georgia; three
> sisters, Claudine Alewine of Arizona, and Melrose Collins and Ruby
> Gravenstein, both of Savannah, Georgia; one brother, James H. DeLoach of
> Savannah, Georgia; four grandchildren, Kelly Williams, Chuck Poythrees,
> Don Poythress and Lisa Moss; six great-grandchildren, and many nieces
> and nephews. The family will receive friends from 6 until 8 oclock
> Friday evening at Sipple Mortuary. Funeral service will be held at 1
> oclock Saturday afternoon in the Chapel of Sipple Mortuary conducted by
> The Reverend T. Campbell Huxford, III. Interment will be in Bonaventure
> Cemetery. Remembrances: Hospice Savannah, Post Office Box #13190,
> Savannah, Georgia 31416. Sipple Mortuary and Crematory Funeral Directors
> Savannah Morning News, January 10, 2003
>
>
>
>
>
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> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
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>
>		07/01/2003 3:27:54
Sussex County, VAJohn M. PoythressBelow are some Sussex County excepts from friend Julie. Many of us many
have none of this and most of us don’t have it ALL:



Most of the surnames in the excerpts are in my lines.

All taken from THE DEEDS OF SUSSEX COUNTY, VIRGINIA 1779-1792
(1993)
Abstracted by Dr. Stephen E. Bradley, Jr. abstracted from deed books F
& G

"Each deed or transaction is numbered; the indices are keyed to these
numbers. The number in parentheses is the page number in the original on
which the transaction begins....".

DEED BOOK F

260-(327) BENJAMIN HUNNICUTT, MARY HUNNICUTT, & DOROTHY HUNT, all of
Albemarle Parish Sussex Co. to MARY POYTHRESS of Brister Parish Prince
George Co. 11 Oct 1784. 174£ Va. 177 acres, joining Thomas Hunt, Wm.
Cain, the road, Raine, Lewis. Wit: Thomas Hunt, James Lewis, John Hall.
16 Dec 1784. No. Cocke Clerk

261-(328) BENJAMIN HUNNICUT & his wife MARY to JAMES LEWIS, all of
Sussex Co. 22 Oct 1784. 5s. 100 acres (messuage) which had belonged to
Wm. Carter, joining Mary Poythress, Cane, Straw Meadow. Wit: Elisha
Wilkerson, William Cain, John(x)Washer, Carol Mishell. 16 Dec 1784.
Jno. Cocke Clerk

321-(423) GEORGE BOOTH, GEORGE RIVES, & GREEN HILL, of Sussex Co., are
appointed a commission to examine Mary wife of Benjamin Hunnicutt &
Dorothy wife of Thos. Hunt of Sussex Co. They had sold II Oct 1784 to
Mary Poythress of Prince George Co. 177 acres. 16 Jun 1785. Jno. Cocker
Clerk. A note indicates: "See page. 327 for Deed."

DEED BOOK G

455- (72) HADDEN PARHAM of Sussex Co. & JOHN BIGGINS & his wife MOLLEY
of Prince George Co. to JAMES CURATON of Northampton Co. NC. 21 Jun
1787. Edward Smith of Sussex Co. & Daniel Gurr of Prince George Co. by
their deed of trust 2 Jul 1784 appointed sd Haddon Parham & John Biggins
trustees, placing in their trust land, negroes, & other articles,
including 183 acres on north side of Indian Swamp, all to secure the
payment of 381£16s2p specie to the sd Jame Cureton. Now sd Cureton has
become the purchaser of the sd 183 acres for 70£ specie. Sd 183 acres is
where Edward Smith now resides, joining Frederick Smith, Indian Swamp,
Poythress, Branch Mitchell, Thomas Weekes. Wit: Abraham Parham Jr.,
William Niblet, Reaps Mitchell, McDuel(x)Anderson. 25 Jun 1878. Michael
Bailey Clerk

460-(81) HADDON PARHAM of Albemarle Parish Sussex Co. to WILLIAM CALL
JR. of Prince George
Co. 20 Sep 1787. 336f VA. 384 acres on south side of Indian Swamp in 2
tracts: 1 of 184 acres, joining
William Poythress, Indian Swamp, sd Haddon Parham, John Leath, Joel
Hall, Matthew Parham, Charles
Raines; I of 200 acres which sd Haddon Parham bought from Matthew Parham
in 1787, joining Joel Hall,
John Leath, Haddon Parham, Charles Raines, the road leading to Halls
Tavern. (witnesses omitted) 20
Sep 1787. Michael Bailey Clerk

536-(205) ABRAHAM(X)PARHAM SR. of Sussex Co. to ABRAHAM PARHAM JR. of
same. 17 Jan 1788. 100£. 170 acres on north side of Mockerson Neck
Creek, joining Robert Parham, Stith Parham, John Leath, Joshua
Poythress, Whotleberry Branch, William Burge. Wit: Joel Hall,
Abraham(x)Haddon, Thomas Haddon Parham, William Burge. 17 Jul 1788.
Michl. Bailey Clerk

568-(238) JAMES CURETON of Mecklenburg Co. NC to WILLIAM CURETON of
Prince George Co. 27 Nov 1788. I00£ VA. 183 acres which sd James Cureton
had purchased from Haddon Parham & John Biggins 21 Jun 1787, joining
Frederick Smith, Indian Swamp, Poythress, Branch Mitchell, Thomas
Weekes. Wit: Peter Williams, Hambleton Burge, John Redding, Thomas
Mitchell, Branch Mitchell.



587-(258) FREDERICK BATTS of Sussex Co. to REAPPS MITCHELL of same. 18
Aug 1788. 165£12s VA. 184 acres joining Raines, Indian Swamp, Mitchell,
Warriocker Branch, the road, Hall, Leath, William Poythress. Also signed
by Susanna Mitchell. Wit: Charles Raines, Robin Mitchell,
Polley(x)Redding. 5 Feb 1789. Michl. Bailey Clerk. A not indicates "see
page 714 in Succeeding Book for Ackt of feme."

717-(453) WILLIAM CALL JR. & his wife HELEN of Prince George Co. to
REAPS MITCHELL of same. 25 Oct 1787. 345£12s VA. 384 acres which sd
William Call purchased from Haddon Parham, on south side of Indian
Swamp, joining Charles Raines, the road leading to Halls Tavern, Joe
Hall, John Leath, William Poythress. Wit: Briggs Rives, Thos. Young,
Timothy Rives. 20 Dec 1787. M. Bailey Clerk

731-(475) STITH PARHAM & his wife PATTY of Albemarle Parish Sussex Co.
to WILLIAM PETERS of same. 17 Mar 1790. 444£ VA. 296 acres on north side
of Nottoway River, joining Stith Parham Sr., Robert Parham, Abram
Parham, John Leath, Frederick Battes, William Poythress. Wit: William
Burge, Archelaus Carlos, Abram Haddon. 2 Sep 1790. Mich. Bailey Clerk. A
note indicates: "sent to Thos. Eloridge."

878-(705) ALLEN CAIN of Sussex Co, to WINFIELD MASON of Dinwiddie Co.
12 Feb 1792. 50£. 96 acres which was part of a land granted to Thomas
Hunt dec'd who gave it to his son Thomas Hunt who sold it to John Rivers
dec'd & by him to Judkins Hunt & by him to Joel Wilkinson & by him to
Allen Cain, on north side of Harrys Swamp, joining William Rivers Jr.,
Mary Poyther, James Lewis Sr., Winfield Mason. Wit: Littlebeary Carter,
William Dwyer Jr., Thomas (x) Yergin. 7 Jun 1792. M. Bailey Clerk

882-(710) BRANCH MITCHELL & his wife ELIZABETH of Albemarle Parish
Sussex Co. to WILLIAM CURETON of Bristol Parish in Prince George Co. 6
Dec 1791. 20£. VA. 40 acres, joining Leather Coat Branch, William
Poythress, sd Mitchell, William Courton, Thomas Weeks. Wit: Benja.
Mason, Frederick (x) Smith, William Cotton, William Smith. 7 Jun 1792.
Michael Bailey Clerk





Of course many of the other names have a ring to them for Poythress
research: Reaves, Cureton, Parham, etc.





Maynard		07/02/2003 1:45:18
Re: Does anyone know who this Leal Portress is?Barbara P. NealI sure don't recognize either the orphan's name or the planter's name.
I'd welcome learning more about either, if you get any response that
sheds any light on them.

Good luck in your research.
Barbara (BPN)

6/28/03 9:47am (Pacific)
Rosebudsaponi1@aol.com wrote:
> Franklin County, North Carolina Court Minutes
>
> Minutes for September Term 1786
>
> Ordered that Leal portreSs an Orphan Twelve years of age the
twentyeth day of August last, be bound unto Thomas Ownby till he
arrive to the age of Twenty one years & that he learn him to read &
write and the planters busineSs.		07/03/2003 10:08:52
Re Flowerdew celebrationBarbara P. NealThey do put on a fantastic celebration there. Brought back a lot of
pleasant memories to read all about it. I was there for one such
celebration sometime back in the mid-90s, and it, too, was every bit as
special as this yr's sounds. The young cousins of our group were every
bit as spellbound as we adults were.


brerfox@bellsouth.net wrote:
> Interesting.....
>
>>From: "Diana Diamond"
>>Date: 2003/07/04 Fri PM 12:22:12 EDT
>>To: "M. Poythress"
>>Subject: Flowerdew last weekend
>>
>> Tuesday, July 01, 2003 PG Tricentennial fetes county's identity, progress
>>
>> By MARK DORROH
>> News Staff Writer
>> The County of Prince George was well and truly launched into its next
>>300 years of history with Saturday's all-day celebration at Flowerdew
>>Hundred. The Harrison family allowed the 10 a.m. - 10 p.m. events to be held
>>on the same farmland which had been used since before the county's
>>incorporation to fuel the tobacco-driven economy of the first English
>>settlers.
>> Dozens of Tri-Cities businesses, great and small, paid for bands to
>>play on the entertainment stage and covered the other, numerous expenses of
>>the extravaganza, which organizers say was more than seven years in the
>>planning.
>> The weather was as close to supportive as it could be, with a Friday
>>overnight rain cutting the dust and greening up the meadows, then
>>conveniently ending in time for setup Saturday morning. For most of the day,
>>a hazy overcast kept the summer sun from being oppressive, and a breeze
>>cooled the crowd.
>> Near the Flowerdew Museum, reenactors in period costume demonstrated
>>colonial era survival skills, including charcoal-making, quilting and the
>>use of various sorts of weapons. Dennis Strawderman of the Henricus
>>Volunteer Militia showed off a .75 caliber, "match " fired musket, which
>>employs a long fuse to explode the powder in the firing pan.
>> His replica musket was complete with the monopod wooden stand of the
>>sort used to steady the aim of 17th-century musketeer. Gun buffs will be
>>interested to know that Strawderman says the smooth-bore gun with the long
>>barrel can hit, at 75 -100 yards, a "breastplate sized" target four times
>>out of five.
>> The James River Black Powder Club also sent representatives, including
>>21st-century forest cavalier Jimmy Carter, who demonstrated charcoal-making
>>when he wasn't wowing the crowd with his knife and hatchet throwing skills.
>> Carefully pacing off his range, Carter nailed his target, a stump set
>>horizontally on a wooden stand, better than three-quarters of the time. His
>>most impressive feat of arms was the double-hatchet throw, in which he sent
>>two hatchets at once speeding toward the target, slamming into it
>>simultaneously and inches apart.
>> Cheryl Dale-Hodges, whose seamstress credentials include certification
>>from a needlework course she took at Hampton Court, U.K., sat at her
>>quilting frame, explaining how the craft was done yesterday and today.
>> "We call this pattern is called by some 'Flying Geese,'" she said of
>>the rows of patterned fabric triangles. "All the fabrics in this quilt are
>>period-correct, as is the pattern. This quilt has been taken to so many
>>demonstrations, the men in the group call it 'The Smoked Goose Quilt,'" she
>>said.
>> She also demonstrated the use of a lucet, a wooden fork with a hole
>>beneath the tines, through which thread could be woven into square cords,
>>very useful for tying down hats and such.
>> "This was one of the first thing young girls, aged four or five, would
>>be taught to do. In those days, they didn't have television, so much of
>>their time was spent on tasks like this, making useful things. In this
>>agrarian society, you had to make most of what you used."
>> Kids seemed to have at least as much fun as their parents. Evan
>>Martin, with parents Michael and Donna, said the diorama displays at the
>>Flowerdew Museum were so well mounted, "I thought the animals were real!"
>>Other youngsters stuffed themselves at the Fort Lee Field Kitchen, had their
>>faces painted and charged happily about, dancing to the bands, watching the
>>birds of prey show and enjoying Theater in a Suitcase at the band stage.
>> At the entrance to the triple line of craft-and-antique exhibitors,
>>Tricentennial Commission member and antique farm implement enthusiast Bruce
>>Skalsky tugged at the starting cord of a vintage lawn tractor. "These came
>>out of Kaiser, West Virginia," he said. "It's a 1950 'Tiger' model, with a
>>five horsepower Briggs and Stratton engine. It's chain-driven, and goes in
>>forward and reverse. The umbrella is new."
>> On the other side of the craft area, a number of other antique farming
>>machines were exhibited, just a few dozen yards from a Fort Lee display that
>>included a fully-functioning field kitchen.
>> Beyond the Fort Lee exhibit, the official Tricentennial Presentation
>>featured all five members of the county's board of supervisors, as well as
>>Petersburg Democratic Delegate Fenton Bland, Hopewell-Prince George
>>Republican Delegate Riley Ingram and 3rd District Democratic Congressman
>>Robert Scott. Tricentennial Commission Chairman Donald Hunter began the
>>ceremony by asking the newly-created Prince George Volunteer Fire Department
>>Color Guard to present the state and national flags.
>> Highlights of the official presentation included remarks from Scott,
>>Supervisors' Board Chair Nathaniel Elliott, Fort Lee Garrison Commander Col.
>>John R. Angevine and a brief history of the county presented by former
>>County Administrator John Kines.
>> The feelings of many were summed up by Chairman Elliott, who said from
>>the podium, "The beautiful thing about Prince George is really the people of
>>Prince George. You've had a wonderful 300 year history, and you'll have an
>>even better next 300 years."
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>		07/04/2003 7:40:35
[Fwd: Flowerdew last weekend]Interesting.....
>
> From: "Diana Diamond"
> Date: 2003/07/04 Fri PM 12:22:12 EDT
> To: "M. Poythress"
> Subject: Flowerdew last weekend
>
> Tuesday, July 01, 2003 PG Tricentennial fetes county's identity, progress
>
> By MARK DORROH
> News Staff Writer
> The County of Prince George was well and truly launched into its next
> 300 years of history with Saturday's all-day celebration at Flowerdew
> Hundred. The Harrison family allowed the 10 a.m. - 10 p.m. events to be held
> on the same farmland which had been used since before the county's
> incorporation to fuel the tobacco-driven economy of the first English
> settlers.
> Dozens of Tri-Cities businesses, great and small, paid for bands to
> play on the entertainment stage and covered the other, numerous expenses of
> the extravaganza, which organizers say was more than seven years in the
> planning.
> The weather was as close to supportive as it could be, with a Friday
> overnight rain cutting the dust and greening up the meadows, then
> conveniently ending in time for setup Saturday morning. For most of the day,
> a hazy overcast kept the summer sun from being oppressive, and a breeze
> cooled the crowd.
> Near the Flowerdew Museum, reenactors in period costume demonstrated
> colonial era survival skills, including charcoal-making, quilting and the
> use of various sorts of weapons. Dennis Strawderman of the Henricus
> Volunteer Militia showed off a .75 caliber, "match " fired musket, which
> employs a long fuse to explode the powder in the firing pan.
> His replica musket was complete with the monopod wooden stand of the
> sort used to steady the aim of 17th-century musketeer. Gun buffs will be
> interested to know that Strawderman says the smooth-bore gun with the long
> barrel can hit, at 75 -100 yards, a "breastplate sized" target four times
> out of five.
> The James River Black Powder Club also sent representatives, including
> 21st-century forest cavalier Jimmy Carter, who demonstrated charcoal-making
> when he wasn't wowing the crowd with his knife and hatchet throwing skills.
> Carefully pacing off his range, Carter nailed his target, a stump set
> horizontally on a wooden stand, better than three-quarters of the time. His
> most impressive feat of arms was the double-hatchet throw, in which he sent
> two hatchets at once speeding toward the target, slamming into it
> simultaneously and inches apart.
> Cheryl Dale-Hodges, whose seamstress credentials include certification
> from a needlework course she took at Hampton Court, U.K., sat at her
> quilting frame, explaining how the craft was done yesterday and today.
> "We call this pattern is called by some 'Flying Geese,'" she said of
> the rows of patterned fabric triangles. "All the fabrics in this quilt are
> period-correct, as is the pattern. This quilt has been taken to so many
> demonstrations, the men in the group call it 'The Smoked Goose Quilt,'" she
> said.
> She also demonstrated the use of a lucet, a wooden fork with a hole
> beneath the tines, through which thread could be woven into square cords,
> very useful for tying down hats and such.
> "This was one of the first thing young girls, aged four or five, would
> be taught to do. In those days, they didn't have television, so much of
> their time was spent on tasks like this, making useful things. In this
> agrarian society, you had to make most of what you used."
> Kids seemed to have at least as much fun as their parents. Evan
> Martin, with parents Michael and Donna, said the diorama displays at the
> Flowerdew Museum were so well mounted, "I thought the animals were real!"
> Other youngsters stuffed themselves at the Fort Lee Field Kitchen, had their
> faces painted and charged happily about, dancing to the bands, watching the
> birds of prey show and enjoying Theater in a Suitcase at the band stage.
> At the entrance to the triple line of craft-and-antique exhibitors,
> Tricentennial Commission member and antique farm implement enthusiast Bruce
> Skalsky tugged at the starting cord of a vintage lawn tractor. "These came
> out of Kaiser, West Virginia," he said. "It's a 1950 'Tiger' model, with a
> five horsepower Briggs and Stratton engine. It's chain-driven, and goes in
> forward and reverse. The umbrella is new."
> On the other side of the craft area, a number of other antique farming
> machines were exhibited, just a few dozen yards from a Fort Lee display that
> included a fully-functioning field kitchen.
> Beyond the Fort Lee exhibit, the official Tricentennial Presentation
> featured all five members of the county's board of supervisors, as well as
> Petersburg Democratic Delegate Fenton Bland, Hopewell-Prince George
> Republican Delegate Riley Ingram and 3rd District Democratic Congressman
> Robert Scott. Tricentennial Commission Chairman Donald Hunter began the
> ceremony by asking the newly-created Prince George Volunteer Fire Department
> Color Guard to present the state and national flags.
> Highlights of the official presentation included remarks from Scott,
> Supervisors' Board Chair Nathaniel Elliott, Fort Lee Garrison Commander Col.
> John R. Angevine and a brief history of the county presented by former
> County Administrator John Kines.
> The feelings of many were summed up by Chairman Elliott, who said from
> the podium, "The beautiful thing about Prince George is really the people of
> Prince George. You've had a wonderful 300 year history, and you'll have an
> even better next 300 years."
>
>		07/04/2003 10:06:37
OprahCliff and Sheryl TownsendI hope that each of you have watched the Oprah Show today. It is a
wonderful show on genealogy with Billy Krystal and others.
enjoy!



07/04/2003 10:46:00
Linda Clark Smith?Barbara P. NealLinda, if you are still a subscriber on the List, please contact me.

Thanks -
Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net




07/18/2003 10:31:29
London Portress folks 1720-1753 (& a Sloman with Wm)Barbara P. NealI found a really interesting source for 3 London "Portress" folks from
1720 (Mary), 1723 (William), and 1753 (Sarah) today, thanks to Dick
Eastman's online newsletter. Mary & Sarah were victims of thefts by
people they employed; William was a juror on a case where a John Sloman
was also a juror, by the way.

First, for those who don't subscribe, I'll quote below from Eastman, and
then as a sample of what one can find at the site, I'll paste a copy of
the mention of William Portress. I found these people by using "%" in
the middle of the name on their great Search Engine. "Po%ress" is the
way I spelled it, since the percent sign is a wild card for any number
of letters (Thus it would catch spellings including Poythress, Poydress,
Poytress, Portress, Porthress, etc). Enjoy!
Barbara (BPN)
= = =
> The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter
and is copyright 2003 by Richard W. Eastman. It is re-published here
with the permission of the author. Information about the newsletter is
available at http://www.eogn.com .

> - Old Bailey Online
>
> Not all of our ancestors led prim and proper lives. Each of us has a
number of rogues in the family tree. If these people were in or near
London, England, you may find them in a new online resource.
>
> The Proceedings of the Old Bailey London 1674 to 1834 is a new,
fully-searchable online edition of the largest body of texts ever
published that detail the lives of non-elite people. It contains
accounts of over 100,000 criminal trials held at London's central
criminal court.
>
> "Non-elite" indeed! Actually, the same site also contains the names of
many righteous and upstanding citizens: namely, those who testified at
the trials and also many of the court and law-enforcement employees.
Victims are also listed. You can search by surname, place, crime, or
date. Online at this time are trials from December 1714 through December
1759. Eventually, the site is supposed to have cases from 1674 through
1834. The proceedings of the hearing, as well as the punishment, are
detailed.
>
> I searched the Web site a bit and did not find any of my ancestors
listed. I am sure that is because none of them lived in the London area,
not because of any lack of non-elite candidates! I did note one typical
day of 9 December, 1714. On that day, the judge handed out 8 death
sentences, 29 brandings, 26 whippings, and a handful of fines and pillories.
>
> Actually, my own surname is listed six times in the online site.
However, all of the listings are for witnesses or victims. You may find
your ancestors listed in this database, even if they were not criminals.
If you suspect you had ancestors in the London area between 1674 and
1834, you will want to check out the new Web site at:
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Front Matter from Old Bailey Proceedings; Sir Gerard Conyers , Thursday
30th May 1723, 1-8
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See original THE PROCEEDINGS ON THE KING's Commission of the Peace, AND
Oyer and Terminer, and Goal-Delivery of Newgate, held for the CITY of
London and COUNTY of Middlesex, at Justice Hall in the Old Bailey,

On Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, being the 30th, and 31st of May, and
1st of June, in the Ninth Year of His MAJESTY's Reign,

BEFORE the Right Honourable Sir GERARD CONYERS , Knight, Lord Mayor of
the City of London; the Lord Chief Justice King, Mr. Justice Ayres, Mr.
Baron Page ; John Raby , Esq; Deputy-Recorder, and several of His
Majesty's Justices of the Peace for the City of London and County of
Middlesex.

The JURORS were as followeth.

William Portress , Thomas Prat , Brian Newman , John Tudor , Thomas
Emmerton , James Bedbury , William Skirret , James Best , Michael
Mitchel , Edward Gibson , Samuel Green , William Hickman , George
Francis , James Dunbar , John Wilson , Henry Combs , Robert Rogers ,
John Sloman , William Pritchard , John Sheffield , Charles Walker ,
Thomas Craddock , John Shelton , William Stanford ,

The Proceedings were as followeth, viz.		07/29/2003 7:52:28
Re: Cleaton Poythress Will/Sarah ElizabethPoythressBarbara P. NealFor the benefit of those of us who don't readily recall much about this
Will, Maynard transcribed it for us some years ago. My notes about it
show that it was "written in Screven Co, GA on 18 May 1828 & was proved
in court on 7 July 1828. And in the Will:
Cleaton Poythress, Testator, names his father Meredith Poythress,
his sister Elizabeth Brannen, his brother Meredith Poythress, and his
niece Sarah Elizabeth Poythress; he appoints Hope Brannen as his sole
Executor; his witnesses were Cullen Williamson, William Brannen, and
Jane Brannen. His will was written 18 May 1828 and proved in Screven
County, GA Court by witness Cullen Williamson on 7 July 1828."

Presumably from that write-up, we *could* conclude that Sarah Elizabeth
Poythress was child of Cleaton's brother Meredith Poythress, but as I
recall this is the young lady that has had Maynard & Bud & other GA
Poythress researchers tied in a knot for some reason(s) -- Isn't she the
same one referred to, from the initials of her name(s), in some of our
List messages as "MEAPO" or something like that?

Barbara (BPN)

8/1/03 2:42pm
Denver145@aol.com wrote:
Hello to all. Maynard, or anyone who might know. Who is the niece, Sarah
Elizabeth Poythress, mentioned in the Will of Cleaton Poythress. Who
does she belong to?

Thanks,
Elaine		08/01/2003 9:41:55
Cleaton Poythress Will/Sarah ElizabethPoythressHello to all. Maynard, or anyone who might know. Who is the niece, Sarah
Elizabeth Poythress, mentioned in the Will of Cleaton Poythress. Who does she
belong to?

Thanks,
Elaine



08/01/2003 11:42:02
RE: Cleaton Poythress Will/Sarah ElizabethPoythressJohn M. PoythressBarbara....I'm not sure anyone has their finger this one. "Niece" Sarah
Elizabeth Poythress is considered a daughter of Meredith Poythress, Jr.
by default. Assumed from his 1828 will at the time, Cleton (Cleaton)
only had one brother, Meredith Jr. Therefore if Sarah Elizabeth
Poythress is Cleton's niece she must be Meredith's daughter if her
surname is Poythress.

Another brother of Cleton's, Peter Poythress is either dead or long gone
by the time of this will. Brother Peter appears in a Screven County
deed of 1809 deeding BACK to his grandfather (William Cleaton) 50 acres
of land in Mecklenburg County. Meredith Sr. is clearly identified as
Peter's father in the deed. Also, this brother Peter is a tithable in
the household of Meredith, Sr. in Mecklenburg County for the years 1800
and 1801.

Although Peter is thus "certified" to be or have been a brother of
Meredith, Jr. in 1828, I initially discount brother Peter to be (or have
been) an uncle of Sarah Elizabeth Poythress in 1828. He vanishes after
the 1809 deed. A couple of shaky candidates emerge: a Peter Poythress
(of Pittsylvania County?)is killed in the war of 1812; a Peter Poythress
shows in 1820 as an Arkansas land grant warrantee for Lily Poythress
"heir at law" of presumably yet a third Peter Poythress OR perhaps even
Peter # 1. Bud has a Peter dying in SC in 1813. Any of the three or
four is the possible uncle/brother.

However Meredith, Jr. is ON SITE in 1828 and all of the Peter candidates
are long gone. Further, Sarah Elizabeth STAYS there, at least long
enough to be a registered winner in the 1832 Georgia Land Lottery. And
finally, this family has a surplus of guys named Francis or
Peter...Peter could be almost anybody. One almost has to make Sarah
Elizabeth Poythress tentatively the daughter of Meredith, Jr. on the
basis of proximity in 1828 and 1832.

However, the direct answer to the question: who is Sarah Elizabeth
Poythress (other than likely Meredith's daughter) the answer is I DON'T
KNOW. If I had to guess I'd say she married and will remain lost to us
until or if we find a marriage record for her.

Those interested in only the specific answer to the question may dial
off now. However, this lady has numerous superficial look-alikes down
the road, most of whom she is frustratingly NOT. One of the look-alikes
is not exactly superficial: Sarah E. Poythress of the 1832 lottery. (our
problem is too many Sarah's or Elizabeth's or both.)

1) she is not MEAPDO. (Martha Elizabeth Amanda Poythress Dixon Odom.)
Presumably MEAPDO is a child at the time of the immigration of her
father
Thomas Poythress of Brunswick County to Burke County. This is the line
sponsored by Martha Dixon's people. While they don't show me hard
proof, on the other hand I sure don't have a better story. By the
definition above, Thomas James (James is the middle name Dixon
preference) Poythress is the father of MEAPDO, Meredith Sr.,Thomas Jr.,
George, and a couple of others later unaccounted for. Therefore, MEAPDO
would be Meredith, Jr.'s aunt, not his niece.

2) A Sarah E. Poythress (orphan) was a "fortunate drawer" in the Georgia
Land Lottery of 1832, as were both Meredith, Sr. and Meredith, Jr. She
registers and draws in that 34th Militia District of north Screven
County which would put her on the money for a locale. One finds it
appealing to call this lady the same one as in the 1828 will. However,
about all this tells us is that she is as yet unmarried in 1832.

The "orphan" part is troubling. Could she have been the daughter of now
dead Peter Poythress instead of his brother Meredith, Jr. who is clearly
still alive. That's a possibility. It may be also a possibility that
Sarah Elizabeth qualifed to draw in no other way and just claimed to be
an orphan.
We know that the Land Lotteries were fraught with numerous outright lies
used to qualify for the drawing. Most took the lotteries casually as a
sporting proposition since very few "awards" were actually homesteaded.

In any event, Sarah E. Poythress "took up" (paid title fees and took
ownership of)her land 6 Nov 1837 (GDAH 286/49). This lot was again
bought (from Sarah) on 12 Feb 1846 by B. H. Moultrie, one of several
land "aggregators" of lottery awards. Thus the land title is a
genealogical dead end.

With "orphan" one can now make the case for deceased Peter Poythress
being
the father. Fortunately, until we find her marriage record she is
likely lost to us anyway....and even the marriage record may not show
her father.

3) An Elizabeth Poythress of Hancock County was a "fortunate drawer" in
the 1807 land lottery. What's she doing in Hancock County? Marginally,
she might have an age problem if she is a minor in 1807. I tentatively
rule this lady out.

4) unlikely to be confused in the above melee is one Sarah Edwards
Poythress (b. 14 Nov 1826) a daughter of Meredith Poythress SR. and
late-in-life second wife Hester Wilder Mock. This "Sarah E." couldn't be
the Sarah E. Poythress above; she is neither orphaned nor of age at the
time of the 1832 land lottery.

Hope this helps someone.

Maynard


-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 5:42 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Cleaton Poythress Will/Sarah ElizabethPoythress

For the benefit of those of us who don't readily recall much about this
Will, Maynard transcribed it for us some years ago. My notes about it
show that it was "written in Screven Co, GA on 18 May 1828 & was proved
in court on 7 July 1828. And in the Will:
Cleaton Poythress, Testator, names his father Meredith Poythress,
his sister Elizabeth Brannen, his brother Meredith Poythress, and his
niece Sarah Elizabeth Poythress; he appoints Hope Brannen as his sole
Executor; his witnesses were Cullen Williamson, William Brannen, and
Jane Brannen. His will was written 18 May 1828 and proved in Screven
County, GA Court by witness Cullen Williamson on 7 July 1828."

Presumably from that write-up, we *could* conclude that Sarah Elizabeth
Poythress was child of Cleaton's brother Meredith Poythress, but as I
recall this is the young lady that has had Maynard & Bud & other GA
Poythress researchers tied in a knot for some reason(s) -- Isn't she the

same one referred to, from the initials of her name(s), in some of our
List messages as "MEAPO" or something like that?

Barbara (BPN)

8/1/03 2:42pm
Denver145@aol.com wrote:
Hello to all. Maynard, or anyone who might know. Who is the niece, Sarah

Elizabeth Poythress, mentioned in the Will of Cleaton Poythress. Who
does she belong to?

Thanks,
Elaine		08/02/2003 7:50:20
Flowerdew Decendants' GatheringJohn M. PoythressI received today, as I'm sure many of you also did, an invitation to the
Flowerdew Decendents' Gathering on August 23, 9AM to 4PM.



The literature states that they will have genealogical information
available for attendees from the families: Barker, Brown, Cocke,

Dunn, Flowerdews, Kent (Epess), Piersys (Hill/Wynne), Poythress, Selden,
Wilkins, Willcox, Woodson, Yeardley, and others.



Attendees are encouraged to bring their own genealogy information for
swapping about.



I will not be able to attend but would be happy to send my reservation
form and the literature to whomever would like to have it.



When you e-mail, just give me a snailmail address if I don't already
know it.



Maynard		08/08/2003 10:31:12
RE: It's a hoax!Poythress, LynnThis virus is a hoax - it's not a real virus.

You can go to snopes.com to verify this. The following is a cut and paste from snopes.com.

In this case the target file is JDBGMGR.EXE, a Java Debug Manager program used by the Microsoft Java runtime engine. This file is included as part of a standard Windows installation and is not a "virus." (The icon for this file is a graphic of a bear like the one shown to the left.)

If you deleted this file, don't sweat it - JDBGMGR.EXE is only important to programmers who use Microsoft Visual J++ 1.1 to develop Java programs. Its absence will not cause your PC to stop working or interfere with your applications, so if you're not a Java developer, you don't have to worry about restoring it. Consider the experience a lesson learned about the perils of believing and acting upon unverified e-mail warnings.

Windows 2000 and Windows ME include a Windows File Protection (WFP) feature that will recover shared files such as JDBGMGR.EXE if they are overwritten or deleted. Users of other Windows operating systems can only retrieve JDBGMGR.EXE by reinstalling the Microsoft Virtual Machine (VM) component, but Microsoft is no longer offering it as a download.

Hope this helps!

Lynn Poythress
-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 8:24 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject:


TO ALL OF YOU..... I AM SO SORRY IF THIS IS ON YOUR COMPUTER.
I HAVE A 2003 VERSION OF NORTON ANTI-VIRUS ON MY SYSTEM AND THOUGHT I WAS PROTECTED.


Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2003

Hi everyone,

A virus has been passed to me through a
contact's address book. My
address book was infected. Since you are in my
address book, you will
probably find it in your computer, too. The
virus (called jdbgmgr.exe)
is not detected by Norton or McAfee Anti-virus
systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before
damaging the system.
It is sent automatically by 'messenger' and by
address book, whether or not you
sent e-mail to your contacts.

Here is how to check for the virus and how to
get rid of it. It only takes a few minutes.

1. Go to Start, and then click your "Find"
or "Search" option

2. In the folder option, type the name:
jdbgmgr.exe

3. Be sure to search your C Drive and all the
sub folders and any other drives you may have

4. Click "Find Now"

5. The virus has a teddy bear icon with the name
jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT!

6. Go to Edit (on the menu bar) and
choose "Select All" to highlight
the file without opening it.

7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and
select delete. It will then go to the recycle bin.
THEN CONDUCT THE SEARCH AGAIN
TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT IN ANOTHER
FILE

If you find the virus,
you must contact all the
people in your Address Book so that they
may eradicate the virus from
their own address books.

To do this:

1. Open a new e-mail message

2. Click the icon Address Book next to "To"

3. Highlight every name and add to "BCC"

4. Copy this message and paste into the e-mail

Sorry if it got passed to you.








==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		08/13/2003 2:37:49
John M. PoythressTO ALL OF YOU..... I AM SO SORRY IF THIS IS ON YOUR COMPUTER.
I HAVE A 2003 VERSION OF NORTON ANTI-VIRUS ON MY SYSTEM AND THOUGHT I
WAS PROTECTED.


Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2003

Hi everyone,

A virus has been passed to me through a
contact's address book. My
address book was infected. Since you are in my
address book, you will
probably find it in your computer, too. The
virus (called jdbgmgr.exe)
is not detected by Norton or McAfee Anti-virus
systems. The virus sits quietly for 14 days before
damaging the system.
It is sent automatically by 'messenger' and by
address book, whether or not you
sent e-mail to your contacts.

Here is how to check for the virus and how to
get rid of it. It only takes a few minutes.

1. Go to Start, and then click your "Find"
or "Search" option

2. In the folder option, type the name:
jdbgmgr.exe

3. Be sure to search your C Drive and all the
sub folders and any other drives you may have

4. Click "Find Now"

5. The virus has a teddy bear icon with the name
jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT!

6. Go to Edit (on the menu bar) and
choose "Select All" to highlight
the file without opening it.

7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and
select delete. It will then go to the recycle bin.
THEN CONDUCT THE SEARCH AGAIN
TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT IN ANOTHER
FILE

If you find the virus,
you must contact all the
people in your Address Book so that they
may eradicate the virus from
their own address books.

To do this:

1. Open a new e-mail message

2. Click the icon Address Book next to "To"

3. Highlight every name and add to "BCC"

4. Copy this message and paste into the e-mail

Sorry if it got passed to you.		08/13/2003 4:24:09
HOAX -- SorryJohn M. PoythressThis virus is a hoax - it's not a real virus.



You can go to snopes.com to verify this. The following is a cut and
paste from snopes.com.



In this case the
target file is JDBGMGR.EXE, a Java Debug Manager program used by the
Microsoft Java runtime engine. This file is included as part of a
standard Windows installation and is not a "virus." (The icon for this
file is a graphic of a bear like the one shown to the left.)



If you deleted this file, don't sweat it - JDBGMGR.EXE is only important
to programmers who use Microsoft Visual J++ 1.1 to develop Java
programs. Its absence will not cause your PC to stop working or
interfere with your applications, so if you're not a Java developer, you
don't have to worry about restoring it. Consider the experience a lesson
learned about the perils of believing and acting upon unverified e-mail
warnings.



Windows 2000 and Windows ME include a Windows File Protection (WFP)
feature that will recover shared files such as JDBGMGR.EXE if they are
overwritten or deleted. Users of other Windows operating systems can
only retrieve JDBGMGR.EXE by reinstalling the Microsoft Virtual Machine
(VM) component, but Microsoft is no longer offering it as a download.		08/13/2003 5:25:33
FL Confed Pension Applications onlineBarbara P. NealOn another List, I saw this notice, which may help any of you who have
an ancestor of interest to you (of any surname) who applied for a FL
Confederate Pension.

Cheers, Barbara (BPN)

> "Adobe Reader 6.0 is installed at the (FL Memory Project) site. It's
free and it allows one to print the pages in a good manner. Mine came
out just great! One application had 14 pages including a two page
handwritten letter dated May 25, 1899. Good luck to all!"

> http://dlis.dos.state.fl.us/barm/Pensionfiles.html		08/20/2003 6:07:19
Surname interestWilliam "Bill" BarffI'm interested in the following surnames
Barclay
Williams
Barff
Adams
Chilton
Darnell/Darnall
Dodson/Dotson
Haney/Heaney
Duvall
Evans
Francois
Grover
Hanthron
Heatherington
Inman
Keane/Kane/King
Mann
Larsen
Lovelace/Loveless
Merrill
Nickens
Pace
Moss
Powell
Pruitt
Ramsdell
Tripp
Wiggin(s)
Tingler
Pincock
I would appreciate hearing from anyone with similar interest.
And thank you for your time.




William "Bill" Barff



08/21/2003 3:32:26
FL CSA Pension RecordsJohn M. PoythressLocated at

http://dlis.dos.state.fl.us/barm/Pensionfiles.html



applicant A03182





NICE FIND, Barbara! There is only one, a John P. (Price?) Poythress of
Gadsden County, FL

Who enlisted at New Orleans in March,1862 and was discharged with severe
wounds received in the Battle of Murphreesboro, TN 31 Dec 1862.



John P. Poythress is almost certainly the son of the elusive James P.
Poythress of Screven County who sold his property in the late 1820's and
moved to Gadsden County, FL. We do not know where James P. Poythress
came from but at least we know the family he established in Gadsden
County.



Using the index # (A03182) on the above link will lead to 24 pages of
documentation of John P. Poythress, his wife Mary A. Dolan and their 4
children now identifiable by name and age on the pension paperwork.



Maynard		08/21/2003 8:54:28
John P. PoythressJohn M. PoythressLinda Clark Smith



Linda: does this CSA pension information lead you to anything?



Maynard





08/21/2003 8:56:50
RE: Surname interestWilliam "Bill" BarffThank you all very much for your suggestions and leads. Happy searching!

William "Bill" Barff



08/22/2003 1:33:48
Brandon Poythress, are you here?Barbara P. NealBrandon, if you are quietly lurking on the List, would you please email
me? I'd greatly appreciate it. (Last saw email from you on the List in
January 1999, so I'm assuming your email address then has probably changed.)

Thanks so much
Barbara Poythress Neal		08/22/2003 2:57:55
Teresa Willis, are you here?Barbara P. NealTeresa, if you see this message please email me. I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,
Barbara Poythress Neal




08/22/2003 4:08:03
John N. Tucker/1860 Alabama CensusHello all. I ran across this today, while searching the 1860 Alabama Census.
I thought this was interesting, since I have never been able to find them
again as a family, on any other census years. I found their son Howard, living in
1870 Kemper and 1880 Lauderdale County, MS, with an elderly Sarah Goodwin and
then in 1920 and 1930, living in Sumter County, Alabama.

Could this be the husband of Martha Jane Poythress, daughter of David?
They were in Sumter, Alabama for the 1850 census.

Montgomery County, Alabama

Dwelling 685 - Montgomery Jail, page 207, 13 July
Tucker, John N., age 34, male, farmer, born VA

Take care,
Elaine		08/22/2003 7:00:11
John Tucker marr Martha Poythress & son Howard TuckerBarbara P. NealHi Elaine,

You are great at keeping watch for the married names of Poythress folk!
Good find re John N. Tucker in the Montgomery County, Alabama jail when
the Census enumeration was done there on 13 July 1860 for the count
effective June 1, 1860.

> Montgomery County, Alabama, 1860 Census:
>Dwelling 685 - Montgomery Jail, page 207, 13 July
>Tucker, John N., age 34, male, farmer, born VA

That listing's name, middle initial, and deduced approximate year of
birth of 1826, all certainly seem consistent with this man being the
same one you earlier found in January on the 1850 Census:

Sumter County, Alabama, 1850 Census:
Paynesville Twp - page 280, lines 14-17, date 15 Oct.
John N. Tucker, age 25, male, farmer, born VA
Martha J. , age 20, female, born VA
Caroline S., age 19, female, born VA
Evelina F., age 17, female, born VA

A good way to double-check the logic of this being the same man would be
to see if in the 1850 census there was any "John N. Tucker" other than
the one in Paynesville Township of Sumter County, AL. Certainly doesn't
seem like it would be such a common name that there would be more than
one candidate (though stranger things have happened), so this would be a
good double-check.

I recall you alerted us, too (on 18 June 2003) of a posting you found on
an Ancestry.com message board from a descendant of this couple, who
identified Tucker's wife as Martha Poythress. That researcher was
searching for info on their son Howard, who was her ancestor.

Her message certainly made it logical that this household was the one
for Martha Jane Poythress, daughter of David and Mary Speed Poythress,
who married John N. Tucker on 18 Oct. 1848, in Mecklenburg County,
Virginia. At that time, we had no indication of how she knew/concluded
that Tucker's wife's name was Martha Poythress (hopefully from some
record of that family she had seen?). You mentioned in mid-June that you
had emailed that researcher & hoped to hear more about Martha & John
Tucker's family. I'm curious whether you ever heard any additional info
from her about the family?

I'm also curious re the approximate year of birth for their son Howard,
who you mentioned finding in
- 1870 in Kemper County, Mississippi (MS)
- in 1880 in Lauderdale County, MS, with an elderly Sarah Goodwin
- in 1920 in Sumter County, Alabama
- in 1930 in Sumter County, Alabama

Lastly, I'm curious whether anyone ever responded to your 1/2003
question whether anyone knows where Martha had died, prior to the
Administration of the Estate of her father, David Poythress. (My
notations re that estate show that it was on 31 Jan 1877 when Martha's
much-younger brother, Charles David Poythress, swore in Warren County,
NC, that Martha J. Tucker (David's daughter) was deceased, and that no
names were known for her children.)

Thanks so much for all your good work!
Barbara		08/22/2003 7:05:44
Re: John Tucker marr Martha Poythress & son Howard TuckerBarbara, I never heard back, from the person who posted the message,
regarding John, Martha and Howard. I just emailed her again and hope to hear something
this time.

The date of birth for Howard, was on the Ancestry.com inquiry, she said
Howard was born in Sumter, AL in about 1856 and that he was the son of John Tucker
and Martha Poythress. She does not give any reference to her sources. She does
say that Howard married a Janie C. Gillis.

I found Howard and Janie C. in Lauderdale Co., MS in 1880 census with elderly
Sarah Goodwin living in their HH. I found Howard age 14, living in the HH of
Sarah Goodwin in Kemper County, MS in 1870 census and then I found Howard and
Janie C. in Sumter Co, AL 1920 & 1930. He list his mother and father as being
born in VA but he list he was born in MS. The age always matches up with
about 1856 being year of birth. When I get some extra time, I plan on searching
for him in 1900, which would tell us for sure when he was born. This census year
is not indexed, so I will have to do a page by page search.

I did search for other John N. Tuckers in 1850. There were a few and I viewed
the census pages, none were married to a Martha and none were born in VA.

I will keep everyone posted if I hear from the descendant of Howard. I would
really like to know what happened to Martha Jane Poythress and possibly find
out where she is buried. As of now it still remains a Genealogical Mystery!!

Almost forgot, I never did get a response to my 1/2003 quiry regarding if
anyone knew where Martha had died.

Take care,
Elaine

Hi Elaine,

You are great at keeping watch for the married names of Poythress folk!
Good find re John N. Tucker in the Montgomery County, Alabama jail when
the Census enumeration was done there on 13 July 1860 for the count
effective June 1, 1860.

> Montgomery County, Alabama, 1860 Census:
>Dwelling 685 - Montgomery Jail, page 207, 13 July
>Tucker, John N., age 34, male, farmer, born VA

That listing's name, middle initial, and deduced approximate year of
birth of 1826, all certainly seem consistent with this man being the
same one you earlier found in January on the 1850 Census:

Sumter County, Alabama, 1850 Census:
Paynesville Twp - page 280, lines 14-17, date 15 Oct.
John N. Tucker, age 25, male, farmer, born VA
Martha J. , age 20, female, born VA
Caroline S., age 19, female, born VA
Evelina F., age 17, female, born VA

A good way to double-check the logic of this being the same man would be
to see if in the 1850 census there was any "John N. Tucker" other than
the one in Paynesville Township of Sumter County, AL. Certainly doesn't
seem like it would be such a common name that there would be more than
one candidate (though stranger things have happened), so this would be a
good double-check.

I recall you alerted us, too (on 18 June 2003) of a posting you found on
an Ancestry.com message board from a descendant of this couple, who
identified Tucker's wife as Martha Poythress. That researcher was
searching for info on their son Howard, who was her ancestor.

Her message certainly made it logical that this household was the one
for Martha Jane Poythress, daughter of David and Mary Speed Poythress,
who married John N. Tucker on 18 Oct. 1848, in Mecklenburg County,
Virginia. At that time, we had no indication of how she knew/concluded
that Tucker's wife's name was Martha Poythress (hopefully from some
record of that family she had seen?). You mentioned in mid-June that you
had emailed that researcher & hoped to hear more about Martha & John
Tucker's family. I'm curious whether you ever heard any additional info
from her about the family?

I'm also curious re the approximate year of birth for their son Howard,
who you mentioned finding in
  - 1870 in Kemper County, Mississippi (MS)
  - in 1880 in Lauderdale County, MS, with an elderly Sarah Goodwin
  - in 1920 in Sumter County, Alabama
  - in 1930 in Sumter County, Alabama

Lastly, I'm curious whether anyone ever responded to your 1/2003
question whether anyone knows where Martha had died, prior to the
Administration of the Estate of her father, David Poythress. (My
notations re that estate show that it was on 31 Jan 1877 when Martha's
much-younger brother, Charles David Poythress, swore in Warren County,
NC, that Martha J. Tucker (David's daughter) was deceased, and that no
names were known for her children.)

Thanks so much for all your good work!
Barbara		08/22/2003 12:14:07
1st results - Poythress Surname DNA StudyBarbara P. NealGreat news on our initial results!

So far 8 men have signed up to participate in our Poythress-Surname
Study. We have the test reports back from the first 4 of them who've
sent in their 25-marker test kits. Results are due from more of our
Poythress-surnamed men soon.

For ALL of our first 4 men to submit their test kits, we have EXACT
matches on all 12 of the basic 12-markers. This fits with our
hypothesis that American Poythress-Surnamed people descended from
Francis Poythress who was in America by 1633. The 12 of 12 match
indicates that YES, they shared an ancestor; with 50% likelihood that
ancestor was within about the last 14 generations. (A generation is said
to be about 25-30 yrs from father to son; thus Francis Poythress came to
America roughly 12 to 15 generations ago.)

NOW, even BETTER news:

Since our Surname DNA Study is using the more detailed 25-marker test,
the 50% likelihood of the common ancestor drops to him being within only
7 generations (about 175-210 yrs ago).

Those 13 additional markers in the 25-marker test will allow us to
detect sub-groups within Poythress-surnamed men as more of them are
tested. As the pool of men tested expands, we'll see sub-groups develop
of men who share particular ancestors within these last 7 generations:
potentially a sub-group known to descend from Lewis, Meredith, and other
sub-groups who descend from each of the other then-living Poythress men
who've had Poythress-surnamed male descending lines -- this could be
Thomas, Peter, George, William, etc.

RESULTS SO FAR:

Two of the four men for whom we have gotten results, indeed match on all
25 markers. The other two men match these two men on 23 of the 25 markers.

The 2 men who matched on 25 of 25 both had ancestors who lived in
Mecklenburg County, Virginia, and had ancestors who headed from there,
south to Sumter County, Alabama and then later across the state line
into Lauderdale County, Mississippi.

- One (Karl) knows from family records he is descended from
Algernon Edward Poythress, and from AEP's father James Edward Poythress
(who was born 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg Co, VA; married Catherine
Preston in Feb 1828 in Brunswick Co, VA; he died 17 Jan 1863 in Sumter
County, Alabama). This James Edward Poythress MAY be a son of Lewis
Poythress.

- One (David) knows from family records he is descended from James
Speed Poythress, and from JSP's father David Poythress (who was born 26
Jan 1800 in Virginia; married #1 Mary Speed Dortch in Dec 1827 in
Mecklenburg Co, VA; married #2 Sally Dortch in March 1848 in Warren Co,
NC; he died 26 Sep 1876 and is buried in Henderson, NC). This David
Poythress MAY be a son of Lewis Poythress.

For the other two (Bud and Maynard) of our first four Poythress-Surnamed
men to get the DNA test results, the 2 markers on which they differ from
Karl and David are both markers of the faster mutating type. These
change on the average within 5 generations (rather than 10-15 for slower
mutating markers), but some researchers are finding that the faster
mutating ones can occasionally change just from father to son.

Bud and Maynard match each other on 1 of their 2 markers that differ
from Karl and David: thus Bud and Maynard match each other on 24 of 25
markers, indicating that the ancestor Bud and Maynard share was likely
not much more distant than the 7 generations estimated (with 50%
likelihood) for Karl and David's shared ancestor.

Bud and Maynard (as I currently understand it) both trace their descent
from Meredith Poythress who died in Screven County, Georgia, and his
father Thomas Poythress (who lived about 1740-1801 and lived in
Dinwiddie Co, VA before moving to Georgia, where he died in Burke Co.)
This Thomas Poythress MAY have been an uncle of the above-mentioned
Lewis Poythress.

SO NOW:

The more Poythress-surnamed men who participate in our Study, the more
closely we can refine our results and identify sub-groups descending
from various Poythress ancestors. When a sub-group of mens' scores
cluster, we'll benefit from looking at other more traditional
genealogical information (Census; family records; land records; estate
records; etc) known about their ancestors to help determine which
specific Poythress ancestor that entire sub-group likely descended
from.

Further if we can get participation in our 25-marker Study by a
Poythress-surnamed male who we *know* to be a descendant of any specific
Poythress man of that early 1700s era, that will help us to develop a
chart showing which test results' scores indicate descent from
specifically which Poythress ancestor. And, for example, if a known
Poythress-surnamed male descendant of Lewis Poythress participates, then
his scores will not only clarify *whether* Karl and David likely descend
from Lewis Poythress, but they would also help us determine how closely
Lewis and Thomas Poythress were related.

To learn more about the Surname DNA Studies, check the FAQs at

http://www.familytreedna.com

INTERESTED Poythress-surnamed individuals are encouraged to participate.
You can find our Poythress-Surname Study at that site, by clicking on
the "Projects" tab, and look under the "P." If you complete the form to
join the project, it will come to me as our Poythress-Surname DNA
Project's Group Administrator. I'll contact you to tell you how to get
your DNA Kit at a discounted price; help can be arranged if warranted.

Women are welcome to encourage their brother, father, uncle, or
Poythress-surnamed male cousin to participate in the testing (even if
that fellow might not be into genealogy himself).

Thanks,
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)		08/23/2003 9:36:15
RE: Gloucestershire 1609 baptism & name derivation talkLou PooleTo add to Barbara's explanation, actually there was a wave of
immigration of French Protestants to England as early as about 1580 --
they were just not called Huguenots then. A lot of, if not most, of
these French Protestants settled in what was then the outskirts of
London, in a neighborhood now known as Whitechapel. The local parish
church of the area was, and still is, known as Stepney St. Dunstan. I
believe the old parish records still exist, and there might be a
chance of locating a name like Poitres among these records.

I am aware of this history because that's where my Pettipool family
originated; I believe they were among this early group of French
Protestants.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:13 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Gloucestershire 1609 baptism & name derivation talk


I'm putting this in a List-wide message, since I think others are
interested in it. First, here is a snip of a message I got from Debbie

today, which she had copied from her Poythress relative:

"> While at Disney World, Caila and I went to a shop in the Great
Britain area of Epcot. They actually had Poythress in their database.

If I recall correctly, they attributed the name as a derivation of
Poitres, which I thought was the case (Anglicized French). Per the
database, Poitres is a guild name for a bridle maker. Question seems
to
be whether Huguenot migration or Norman Invasion as reason for
movement
to England. I don't know how much goes into the creation of these
databases, but I was interested by the fact that they included
Poythress. First time I've ever seen that."

BPN response:
Seems like I had heard (some years ago), thru discussion on our List,
the theory of Poythress possibly being a derivation from Poitres, and
the guild name for bridle maker rings a distant memory-bell, too,
probably from that same discussion. As I recall, though, there were
other possibly equally-likely theories put forth somewhat
knowledgeably
in that same discussion thread about it being derived from something
to
do with pewter and those who work on pewter.

I'm sure one could find the earlier discussion by going to the List's
archives to search on Poitres or Pewtresse. For those not familiar
with
the List's archives search, a link is on the Poythress website:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

The Huguenots fled France after 1685. Francis Poythress was in America

from Britain by 1633, as a factor for an English merchant. He seems to

be of the age to be the same Francis who was baptized in Britain in
1609
at St. Mary's Church, Newent, Gloucestershire (this is in the
Cotswolds
area). Thus I have not considered the "Huguenot" angle to be credible,

even though when I was a kid, my elders had mentioned having heard
that.

For more re that baptism & that family, go to our website & click on
the
"Research in England" portion on the left side of the page; then in
the
main screen, click on the "Early Poythress References in England" and
look down thru that info. Other sections in that same "Research in
England" mention the Pewtresse name, too.

Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)



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Re:Gloucestershire 1609 baptism & name derivation talkBarbara,
I believe we did have a discussion last year, regarding the origin of the
Poythress name. I had a certificate made for my father, at a festival here in
Colorado in 2000. It was done from the database of The Historical Research Center
Inc. I do not know how much, if any, of this information is true, but
thought it was interesting.

Poythress

The English family name Poytress is classified as being of occupational
origin. Many occupational family names, although not all, are derived from trades,
offices and professions which have long since died out. However, during that
period in European history when the use of a distinguishing family name was
being established those who were involved in a specific trade or held a
particular office were considered some of the most important members of the local
community. With regard in the surname Poytress, this name appears to be a
derivative of the regional French term "poitrau" which refers to the harness of a
horse. Thus, the name indicates that its original bearer was a harness-maker.
Variants of the surname Poytress include Poythress and Poytris. The modern spelling
of most English surnames is comparatively recent and is usually a phonetic
rendering of the name which is found in parish registers of the seventeenth and
eighteenth centuries. However, it should be noted that the name itself, in its
various orthographic forms may have been borne by the same family for three
or four hundred years.

One of the earliest references to this name or to a variant is a record or
one Aliciae Poythress, daughter of Henry Poythress and his wife Martha, who was
baptized in Newent, Gloucestershire, on March 21, 1724. One Ann Poytris,
daughter of Thomas Poytris and his wife Anna, was christened in Tirley, on October
17, 1773, while one Agnes Louisa, daughter of James Poytress and his wife
Sarah, was christened in Hasfield, on August 6, 1868. Research is of course
ongoing and this name may have been documented even earlier than the dates
indicated above. Up to the present time, there is no record of bearers of this name
being granted a blazon of arms; therefore the arms described below are the
national arms of England.

Blazon of Arms: Gules, three lions passant guardant, in pale or.

Crest: Upon the royal helmet the imperial crown proper, thereon statant
guardant or , a lion
imperially crowned also proper.

Origin: England

This seems to flow along the same lines, as mentioned below, as Bridle Maker.


Take care,
Elaine

I'm putting this in a List-wide message, since I think others are
interested in it. First, here is a snip of a message I got from Debbie

today, which she had copied from her Poythress relative:

"> While at Disney World, Caila and I went to a shop in the Great
Britain area of Epcot.  They actually had Poythress in their database.

If I recall correctly, they attributed the name as a derivation of
Poitres, which I thought was the case (Anglicized French).  Per the
database, Poitres is a guild name for a bridle maker.  Question seems
to
be whether Huguenot migration or Norman Invasion as reason for
movement
to England. I don't know how much goes into the creation of these
databases, but I was interested by the fact that they included
Poythress.  First time I've ever seen that."

BPN response:
Seems like I had heard (some years ago), thru discussion on our List,
the theory of Poythress possibly being a derivation from Poitres, and
the guild name for bridle maker rings a distant memory-bell, too,
probably from that same discussion. As I recall, though, there were
other possibly equally-likely theories put forth somewhat
knowledgeably
in that same discussion thread about it being derived from something
to
do with pewter and those who work on pewter.

I'm sure one could find the earlier discussion by going to the List's
archives to search on Poitres or Pewtresse. For those not familiar
with
the List's archives search, a link is on the Poythress website:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

The Huguenots fled France after 1685. Francis Poythress was in America

from Britain by 1633, as a factor for an English merchant. He seems to

be of the age to be the same Francis who was baptized in Britain in
1609
at St. Mary's Church, Newent, Gloucestershire (this is in the
Cotswolds
area). Thus I have not considered the "Huguenot" angle to be credible,

even though when I was a kid, my elders had mentioned having heard
that.

For more re that baptism & that family, go to our website & click on
the
"Research in England" portion on the left side of the page; then in
the
main screen, click on the "Early Poythress References in England" and
look down thru that info. Other sections in that same "Research in
England" mention the Pewtresse name, too.

Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)		08/26/2003 7:34:34
Gloucestershire 1609 baptism & name derivation talkBarbara P. NealI'm putting this in a List-wide message, since I think others are
interested in it. First, here is a snip of a message I got from Debbie
today, which she had copied from her Poythress relative:

"> While at Disney World, Caila and I went to a shop in the Great
Britain area of Epcot. They actually had Poythress in their database.
If I recall correctly, they attributed the name as a derivation of
Poitres, which I thought was the case (Anglicized French). Per the
database, Poitres is a guild name for a bridle maker. Question seems to
be whether Huguenot migration or Norman Invasion as reason for movement
to England. I don't know how much goes into the creation of these
databases, but I was interested by the fact that they included
Poythress. First time I've ever seen that."

BPN response:
Seems like I had heard (some years ago), thru discussion on our List,
the theory of Poythress possibly being a derivation from Poitres, and
the guild name for bridle maker rings a distant memory-bell, too,
probably from that same discussion. As I recall, though, there were
other possibly equally-likely theories put forth somewhat knowledgeably
in that same discussion thread about it being derived from something to
do with pewter and those who work on pewter.

I'm sure one could find the earlier discussion by going to the List's
archives to search on Poitres or Pewtresse. For those not familiar with
the List's archives search, a link is on the Poythress website:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

The Huguenots fled France after 1685. Francis Poythress was in America
from Britain by 1633, as a factor for an English merchant. He seems to
be of the age to be the same Francis who was baptized in Britain in 1609
at St. Mary's Church, Newent, Gloucestershire (this is in the Cotswolds
area). Thus I have not considered the "Huguenot" angle to be credible,
even though when I was a kid, my elders had mentioned having heard that.

For more re that baptism & that family, go to our website & click on the
"Research in England" portion on the left side of the page; then in the
main screen, click on the "Early Poythress References in England" and
look down thru that info. Other sections in that same "Research in
England" mention the Pewtresse name, too.

Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)		08/26/2003 12:13:13
Re: Gloucestershire 1609 baptism & name derivation talkBarbara P. NealThanks, Lou & Elaine, for the additional info. All quite interesting.

Barbara




08/27/2003 3:40:57
Loss/change of internet service or Address BookBarbara P. NealHi All,

It occurs to me (after hearing from two of our former List-members about
such problems) that, in light of the recent havoc caused by
worms/viruses on the internet, it is worth posting this message here,
for everyone's benefit:

Please keep up to date on:
1. your computers virus protection, and
2. your computer's Windows "critical updates" that they release to plug
security holes in your system. You can do this by going to:

www.windowsupdate.com

You should be doing this at least weekly, in this time of so many
malicious virus/worm actions.

And for Poythress matters: where ever you keep paper copies of important
things (maybe with your bills, or with your handwritten list of loved
ones' addresses), please put a PRINTED copy of this so you'll have my
email address & the Poythress research website, too, the next time that:

- your Address Book fails, or

- your internet service fails for a day or week, or

- you change your email address, or

- you change your internet service provider.

GREAT one-stop help is available at our Poythress research website:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

There you can check the List's Archives for messages you missed while
your internet service was down, via the link on the left side of the page.

There you can also subscribe to the Poythress-List if you have a new
email address: scroll down to the bottom of the main page (right side)
and you'll see the link for that.

Take care -
Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net		08/28/2003 4:04:42
New at Poythress website re Meridian, MississippiBarbara P. NealTonight Al Tims has posted a nice addition on our Poythress website,
which is located at:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

On the left side of the website, many types of resources are listed. For
a good while, one has been able to click on the 5th resource, "Cemetery
Records" and get to Maynard's compilation of Poythress and related
family names from the area of Screven County, Georgia.

The NEW addition tonight is a great table of info and photos that Al put
together for us, using digital photos that I took last Fall of
gravemarkers at Meridian, Mississippi's two big cemeteries having
Poythress family burials: Magnolia Cemetery, and Rose Hill Cemetery.

The table lists the individuals alphabetically, so if you are looking
for a particular relative you can readily find him or her. Beside the
name is a thumbnail-size photo of the marker. Click on it to make it
larger, and you can read the entire marker.

Since so many Poythress folks have similar names, the table also lists
years of birth & death as shown on the marker, and a brief indication of
his/her relationship to another person; with those items, a searcher can
more readily locate the right ancestor.

Further to the right, in the table, is the name & address of the
cemetery, and further still, is the location (within the cemetery) of
the correct plot, to assist anyone wanting to visit the cemetery.

This last column detailing the correct plot also helps one to group
family members together, since generally family members shared the plots
-- sometimes not immediate family members, but generally in the same
Poythress line.

Al also commented to me tonight, that
> We have photos of some of the folks already on the website, so it
> would be possible to link the names in the index to a photo of the
> person in life.

I think that would be a great addition.

Thanks, Al, for all your work getting this all put together.

Barbara Poythress Neal		09/07/2003 4:01:10
Re:New Poythress website/Meridian MSThanks Barbara and Al. This is a wonderful addition to the site. Your hard
work and willingness to share, is appreciated.

Take care,
Elaine


Tonight Al Tims has posted a nice addition on our Poythress website,
which is located at:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/

On the left side of the website, many types of resources are listed. For
a good while, one has been able to click on the 5th resource, "Cemetery
Records" and get to Maynard's compilation of Poythress and related
family names from the area of Screven County, Georgia.

The NEW addition tonight is a great table of info and photos that Al put
together for us, using digital photos that I took last Fall of
gravemarkers at Meridian, Mississippi's two big cemeteries having
Poythress family burials: Magnolia Cemetery, and Rose Hill Cemetery.

Barbara Poythress Neal		09/08/2003 5:12:34
RE: DNA Marker - Florida familyJohn M. Poythress-----Original Message-----
From: James Smith [mailto:dogtown@tds.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 4:30 PM
Well, Linda, I'm gonna do a tad of speculating which is about what I
have speculated all along. That your crowd descends from James P.
Poythress who migrated to Gadsden County from Screven County, GA about
mid 1820's. The neat thing that the DNA adds is that James P. Poythress
is now hooked to the original crowd out of Mecklenburg County, VA.
Previously, we (or at least "I") didn't have a handle on him because we
couldn't hook him up with anybody on paper. Now we have him hooked up
via DNA.

Maynard


To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: DNA Marker - Florida family

With that one DNA marker that previously only Bud & Maynard had, and now

Gene in Florida has been found to have too -- Hey, we do seem to be
s-p-c-i-a-l down here in Gadsden County, Florida, even if we're unable
to tell you who we belong to from east Georgia!

Gene and my dad are cousins - Gene's Dad & my grandmother were
brother/sister.

Linda Clark Smith		09/09/2003 2:20:41
Follow-up re 9/9/03 updateBarbara P. NealHi all,

In answer to Kevin's question (and addressing Linda's & Maynard's
comments today, too, below).

The Poythress-male line of descent for Karl (& me) goes like this. We are:
- grandchildren of Nathan Hamet Poythress (b. Sumterville, Sumter
County, Alabama 20 Jul 1878; d. Birmingham, Jefferson County, Alabama 18
Mar 1963)
- NHP's father was Algernon Edward Poythress (b. Mecklenburg County,
Virginia 12 Aug 1844; lived for many years in Sumter Co, AL; d. 11 Apr
1918 in Meridian, Lauderdale County, Mississippi)
- AEP's father was James Edward Poythress (b. 13 Aug 1803 in
Mecklenburg Co, VA; d. 17 Jan 1863 in Sumter County, Alabama).

As I had noted in my 8/23/03 update message to the Poythress-List, this
James Edward Poythress MAY be a son of Lewis Poythress. While I consider
it likely that he was, I am still searching for info that will show with
more certainty the next generations back (for James Edward Poythress &
for John Lewis Poythress & John P. Poythress & other Poythress men,
too), since Lewis was not the only male-Poythress candidate in the area
at the time for them to have descended from.

Hopefully we'll get some testing candidates who KNOW for SURE who they
are descended from (further back - like in Lewis Poythress' generation
or further back), for us to compare to. That will help us as we also
dig thru lesser-used old records in our further research.

Cheers, Barbara

9/9/03 7:03pm
KPoythress@aol.com wrote:
> Elaine,
> Thank You for that information. My family also believes that we are direct
> descendents of Lewis Poythress, but that has yet to be proven.
> Kevin Poythress
>AND
9/9/03 1:48pm
KPoythress@aol.com wrote:
> Barbara,
> Thanks for the update on the DNA results. Do you happen to know Karl
and David's known direct descendants. I am curious since our markers are
an exact match. As you know, I am still searching for the father of John
Lewis Poythress.

Thanks,
Kevin Poythress		09/09/2003 2:23:00
Roll call of our Ancestors & my offer re their recordsBarbara P. NealHi All,

Please just send a brief message to the Poythress-List saying who
is(are) the furthest-back Poythress ancestor(s) that you are researching.

We can all better pool our researching efforts, especially with so much
genealogy info becoming available out there, if each of you would do this.

I know we have people researching early Poythress women, for example,
and early Poythress men from whom our List member has descended from
through a daughter.

Having the names of all the early Poythress ancestors of interest could
also help us spot records for them, that we can post for the benefit of
future generations' research.

MY OFFER:
I will be glad to convert to digital format any old document or record
for any Poythress ancestor if you will contact me directly for my
snail-mail address, and mail me a clear photocopy of it.

Hopefully we can also get Al to post the images of more old
documents/records, too, if you would wish to have them posted to our
Poythress website.

Cheers,
Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net




09/09/2003 3:14:46
Useful help - Can anyone be there?Barbara P. Neal"Finding A Needle In A Haystack" will show methods and techniques that
can be used with census records PRIOR to 1850 to find the probable
parent of an individual from a list of multiple possible parents. The
case study involves what turned out to be a landless family that
was in a different county from 1850 through 1910.

If any of our List members could go & report back to us about these
methods & techniques, we could all benefit. The program will be
presented Tuesday Sept 23rd, at 7pm, by Tim Rackley (who has published
many volumes of genealogical records) at the Wilson County Genealogical
Society, in Wilson, NC. The meeting place is at Durwood Stancil
Refrigeration, 3425 Ward Blvd; Wilson, NC 27896.

Directions: You get there by coming into Wilson on 264
Alternate (Raleigh Road). Continue until the intersection with Ward
Blvd, turn left and continue for a couple of miles and you will see
Stancil's on the left, kind of in a field by itself. The Wilson Woods
Apartments are across the road.		09/09/2003 3:18:36
Re: 9/3/03 DNA ResultsElaine,

Thank You for that information. My family also believes that we are direct
descendents of Lewis Poythress, but that has yet to be proven.

Kevin Poythress



09/09/2003 4:03:51
Roll Call/2003 Descendant of David PoythressI am Elaine Poythress Criddle, a descendant of David Poythress b. 1800 and
Mary Speed Dortch of Mecklenburg, VA - through their son James Speed Poythress
b. 1829 Mecklenburg, VA. David died in Henderson, NC in 1876. I believe him to
be a son of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca B. Taylor of Mecklenburg VA. At this
point I only have circumstancial evidence, leading me to connect my David, to
Lewis Poythress. Always searching for that positive PAPER proof.

Take care,
Elaine		09/09/2003 6:49:04
9/9/03 update on DNA resultsBarbara P. NealAnother report from your volunteer coordinator of our Poythress Surname
DNA Study. We've gotten the results in from 2 more of our
Poythress-surnamed-males participating in our DNA Study, giving us 6
mens' sets of markers so far. I delayed in giving you an update until I
was assured of privacy-release from each.

All 6 men match exactly on all 12 of the basic 12-markers, still fitting
with our hypothesis that American Poythress-Surnamed people descended
from Francis Poythress who was in America by 1633. Many Surname Studies
do not have such clear results! As I mentioned in my Aug 23rd update,
the 12 of 12 match indicates that YES, they shared an ancestor; with 50%
likelihood that ancestor was within about the last 14 generations. (A
generation is said to be about 25-30 yrs from father to son; thus
Francis Poythress came to America roughly 12 to 15 generations ago.)

The latest Y-DNA results are from the following two men:

Kevin, whose father's descent was from:
- William Oliver Poythress, born 17 Mar 1892, & Lessie Maude Hoyle;
- Joseph Sidney Poythress, b. 19 Sep 1869, & Lucy Eva Malvina
Stainback (both buried in the Stainback Family Cemetery between
Henderson & Epsom, NC)
- John Lewis Poythress, born 29 Aug 1829 in VA, & Tabitha Ann Nunn
(both buried in the New Bethel Church Cemetery at Epsom, NC, off Highway
39 between Henderson and Louisburg, NC).

and

Gene, whose descent is from:
- Robert Clarence Poythress (b. 26 Feb 1886 in Gadsden County,
Florida) & Phoebe Wilma McMillan (both buried in Gadsden Co, FL near
Chattahoochee)
- John P. Poythress (b. 19 Sep 1833 in Gadsden County of the Florida
Territory) & Mary Ann Dolan (In Shreveport, Louisiana he enlisted in
1862 in the CSA; both he & his wife are buried in Gadsden Co, FL near
Chattahoochee)

Kevin's 25 Y-DNA markers match exactly those for Karl & David,
indicating that all three of these men have an ancestor in common,
probably within the last 7 generations.

Gene's 25 Y-DNA markers, QUITE interestingly, differ by only one marker
from those of Kevin, Karl, & David; AND Gene's markers differ by only
one marker from those of Bud & Maynard.

How? You may recall that Bud & Maynard's 25 markers each differ by two
markers from those of Karl, David, and Kevin, with Bud & Maynard having
one of those two differing markers the same. It is that one marker that
previously only Bud & Maynard had, which we now know that Gene also has.

You may recall that it is recommended that two cousins from any line be
tested to ensure we have a solid understanding of that particular
ancestor's Y-DNA. I am pleased to report that another descendant of the
above-mentioned John Lewis Poythress has been tested, and within a month
his results should also be available.

I am also pleased to report that in about a month results should be
available from a man whose ancestor was in Georgia by the early-to-mid
1800s, though we are not sure yet of that ancestor's exact relationship
with the Georgia ancestors of Bud and Maynard.

I hope that soon we will have signing up for the Y-DNA testing at least
one Poythress male who know his male line descends from Lewis Poythress
(I'm referring to the Lewis Poythress who was an adult in the late
1700s, living in the same tax area where Meredith Poythress then lived
-- the Lower District of Mecklenburg County, Virginia). There was also
an adult Peter Poythress, who owned land in that same tax district then;
if anyone knows his or her line descends from that Peter Poythress, it
would be great to have the Y-DNA testing of a Poythress-male who
descends from that line, too. (If you are a Poythress-descended-female,
you can encourage your father, brother, or Poythress-descended uncle or
male cousin.)

The non-invasive Y-DNA testing is a simple matter of swabbing the inside
of your mouth. Much information about the process is also available in
the "Frequently Asked Questions" or "FAQ" section of the website for the
company that we have used for the testing, Family Tree DNA, whose
website is:
www.familytreedna.com

I have absolutely no relationship with that company; I am purely a
volunteer at coordinating our Poythress results, so we can all learn
more about our Poythress line. I can assure you from the extensive
reading and studying I've been doing for some time now about DNA: that
company is very reputable; is very highly thought of; and has a most
reasonable price structure for the number of markers tested.

Anyone interested in participating in our Poythress-Surname DNA Study is
welcome to email me for more information.

Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net		09/09/2003 7:05:56
Re: 9/9/03 update on DNA resultsBarbara,

Thanks for the update on the DNA results. Do you happen to know Karl and
David's known direct descendants. I am curious since our markers are an exact
match. As you know, I am still searching for the father of John Lewis Poythress.

Thanks,

Kevin Poythress



09/09/2003 10:48:13
DNA Marker - Florida familyJames SmithWith that one DNA marker that previously only Bud & Maynard had, and now
Gene in Florida has been found to have too -- Hey, we do seem to be
s-p-c-i-a-l down here in Gadsden County, Florida, even if we're unable
to tell you who we belong to from east Georgia!

Gene and my dad are cousins - Gene's Dad & my grandmother were
brother/sister.

Linda Clark Smith



09/09/2003 11:29:56
DNA MarkerJames SmithHey, we're apparently so "special" down here in Gadsden 'til I can't
even spell correctly!! S-p-e-c-i-a-l!! Oh, well --

Linda



09/09/2003 11:57:20
James P. Poythress of FLBarbara P. NealHi Linda & all,

Before I forget: It appears to me, Linda, that you only sent your
message to me, not to the whole List, so I'm sending this copy
(including yours below) to the whole List on this subject. I've changed
the subject line above to more accurately show what the message
discusses. We all need to do this often, so we can keep the subjects
currently reflecting what we are discussing. There could be people who
have no interest in DNA, but have interest in everything else.

Yes, I know there was a James P. Poythress in Gadsden Co, FL early; I
also know that George Poythress was there early. And we know from
Militia records that there was another Poythress in FL early -- William,
I believe it was, without stopping to look it up.

We know from Masonic records that James P. Poythress moved to Gadsden
Co, FL from somewhere in Georgia. But so far, I have only speculated
that James P. Poythress was the father of John P. Poythress because I
have not seen info to definitively connect them as father & son.

I am intrigued by the land records you are referring to from Screven
County, withone of them showing a John Price as a witness to a document
signed by James Poythress & Mary Poythress. I don't think I have ever
seen any of these documents. Linda, could you please send me copies of
them (either scanned or photocopies)? I surely would appreciate it.

Indeed, us pooling information in instances such as this, is exactly
what I was referring to in my offer to the List.

Now I have questions about James P. Poythress & that old Family Record
that you, Linda, sent me copies of, back in 2000, along with your
transcription:

(1) The photocopies appear to me (from your "Notes" included with the
transcription) to be copies of the pen-copied version within the little
book (that is, not the oldest version); is that correct? I recall you
saying you had to try various different lighting arrangements to even be
able to read the pencil version.

(2) It would be an even more valuable record if you would also please
add to your typed introduction to your typed transcription, some
indication of which relative owned the little book prior to your father
getting it, and the years that person lived, and an indication of when
your father was given the book. After adding that, could you please
send the entire typed transcription to me as an attached Word file to an
email? (It appears to me that no currently-living people are listed
among the births, deaths, & marriages, thus it would be safe to post.
Hopefully we can get that, along with a digital version of the old
pages, posted on our Poythress research website.)

(3) It would be great if you could also post a pure text version of your
typed transcription of the contents of that Family Record in a message
to the List, in the meantime.

Also, in that same batch of papers, you sent a sheet captioned "McAlpin
Cemetery" with graves listed:

(1) Is what is shown there an actual transcription of what is on the
markers themselves?

(2) Your note at the bottom of it which reads "Where is the gravesite of
James P. Poythress, who was the husband of Mary Ann Dolan and the father
of these children and grandfather of Mary Wilma Rodgers? In addition,
where are the other children of James P. and Mary Dolan Poythress
buried? does any know?" My question re this: Are there sunken areas of
about grave-size in this same cemetery, indicating graves for which
currently there is no marker, or graves marked only with standing rocks
with no engraving on them? In early years, many people used a wooden
marker if they could not afford more than that; these of course could've
deteriorated & be gone.

(3) They could've been buried somewhere on the property that James P.
Poythress owned in Gadsden County. How does the location of that
property compare with the property that Gene has owned there thru the years?

Thanks for your help, Linda.
Cheers, Barbara (BPN)

9/10/03 3:36am
James Smith wrote:
> Hi Barbara & all Cousins!
>
> At least now all of us descendants of John P. Poythress know we are
> directly related to all you Poythress folks from Virginia. We have
> Cousin Gene here in Gadsden County to thank for participating in the DNA
> research project. This just shows how helpful this work can be in
> completing family relationships.
>
> Several years ago, Maynard furnished me copies of a few land records for
> James P. Poythress in Screven Co., Georgia and I have noted that on one
> document one witness among several listed is "John Price". On another
> document signed by "James Poythress and Mary Poythress", John Price is
> again listed as one of the witnesses. Possibility that this John Price
> just might be James P.'s father-in-law. Our Poythress family down here
> has used the Price name for 3 or 4 generations. It has been used
> through the family of one of John P.'s daughters.
>
> In reference to your 3rd paragraph below where you state you are still
> searching for info with more certainty re several men, including John P.
> Poythress, are you referring to our Gadsden Co., FL man down here by the
> late 1820s? If so, he is James P. Poythress. John P. Poythress, b. 19
> Sep 1833, who is believed to be a son of James P., is my Gr. G'father &
> Gene's Grandfather. There are just too many James & John names in our
> families!
>
> Linda Clark Smith
>
> Barbara P. Neal wrote:

>>
>> As I had noted in my 8/23/03 update message to the Poythress-List,
>> this James Edward Poythress MAY be a son of Lewis Poythress. While I
>> consider it likely that he was, I am still searching for info that
>> will show with more certainty the next generations back (for James
>> Edward Poythress & for John Lewis Poythress & John P. Poythress &
>> other Poythress men, too), since Lewis was not the only male-Poythress
>> candidate in the area at the time for them to have descended from.		09/09/2003 11:58:03
Re:9/3/03 DNA ResultsHi Kevin. I am Elaine Poythress Criddle. My father is the David Poythress,
that you had a perfect match with. Our line is David Franklin Poythress, Carl
Hutton Poythress b. Sumter Co. AL d. Laurel, MS, James Speed Poythress b. VA d.
Lauderdale County, MS, David Poythress b. VA d. Henderson, NC. We have
believed that David was the son of Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg, VA but of course,
no paper proof. The Karl Poythress you matched is Barbara Poythress Neal's
brother. I will let her fill you in on her line.

Take care,
Elaine


Barbara,

Thanks for the update on the DNA results. Do you happen to know Karl and
David's known direct descendants. I am curious since our markers are an exact

match. As you know, I am still searching for the father of John Lewis
Poythress.

Thanks,

Kevin Poythress





09/09/2003 12:48:54
Roll call - Poythress AncestorDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionI am Debbie Poythress-Concepcion and I descendant from William E. Poythress
& his wife, Martha J. Usher out of Screven Co, GA.
I am looking for information on his parents and with the DNA testing hope to
connect to Maynard & Bud Poythress' GA line. Time will tell.

Debbie

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09/10/2003 1:35:37
Roll CallCliff and Sheryl Townsend I think I must be the only one on the list that descends from two
Poythress connections. I descend from Mrs. Mary Sloan Poythress Wynne (not
a blood line) and also Mary Poythress d/o Joshua Poythress. I do not know
anything about Joshua Poythress. Can anyone help me there?
Thanks,
Sheryl

Sheryl Rowell Townsend d/o Harvey Alton Rowell and Josephine Woodliff

Josephine Woodliff d/o Chester Law Woodliff and Josephine Kirk

Chester s/o James Franklin Woodliff and Julia D. Tallman

James s/o Augustin L. Woodliff and Chester Lavinia Law

Augustin s/o George Franklin Woodliff and Isabella Henderson

George s/o Augustine Woodliff and Mildred Ryan

Augustine s/o George Woodliff and Mary Unknown

George s/o George Woodliff and Norah Eppes

George s/o John Woodliff and Mary Poythress

John s/o John Woodliffe and Mary Wynne

Mary d/o Capt. Robert Wynne and Mrs. Mary Poythress ( Mary Sloman)



09/10/2003 2:28:14
No precise match for GA/FL DNA yet (formerly Re: Thomas Poythress in Roll Call)Barbara P. NealMaynard, thanks for giving a ball-park date figure for Thomas; just
knowing that the Thomas you're talking about is the one who died in
Burke Co, GA in 1801 is a lot more than we had initially. Hopefully more
folks will put some dates with their ancestors, so we at least know
which century they were in

Now: re your comment in your last paragraph,
> I find it also intriguing that the guys who are having the 25 count
> minor "variance" are splitting into two groups. James P. Poythress of
> Screven County is now matching Bud and me precisely, all of us with
> Screven County roots. And the other group matching up precisely appears
> to be your and Elaine's Alabama/Mississippi crowd. So, does a guy who
> carries a gene variance go to west Alabama or southeast Georgia? Looks
> obvious to me but I know just enough to be dangerous.

Actually, no one has yet matched you (or Bud, or Gene) *precisely* -- or
at least not the way I would use that word, since to me that would mean
exactly matching on all 25 of 25 markers. As I said yesterday, Gene
matches you 24 of 25, and he matches Bud 24 of 25, and you & Bud match
each other 24 of 25. Granted that 24 of 25 is darned good, I just don't
call that "precisely."

And while it's looking good for Gene's ancestor, John P. Poythress,
being the son of James P. Poythress formerly of Screven Co, GA and later
of Gadsden Co, FL, I'm not considering that one all tied up until I see
the photocopies of those Screven deeds that you sent to Linda Clark
Smith, and until I find out more thru her (She's going to check with her
family there) about how/if the land James P. Poythress got matches up to
the land the family has been living on during our lifetimes.

As we get the DNA results, it sure shows us where we need to focus our
efforts on getting all available paper records filed everywhere & poring
over them closely for all possible clues they hold.

Timelines for the pertinent ancestors-in-question can certainly help, too.

Cheers, Barbara		09/10/2003 3:34:58
Poythress Roll Call`John M. PoythressI am John Maynard Poythress, descended from Thomas Poythress of
Brunswick/Dinwiddie Counties, VA.....looking to find the parents of
Thomas Poythress.

Maynard




09/10/2003 7:31:04
1880 Marriage M.J.Poythress & Edward Neal, Greensville Co, VABarbara P. NealI am posting this message to the whole List so all of us can benefit
from knowing about this marriage record (and having it automatically
archived at the Poythress-List Archives on RootsWeb). The record is one
on which a researcher asked me to help decipher one name. See my
transcription of the document below.

The handwriting is indeed particularly difficult since the Clerk was
inconsistent in how he made his various capital letters. Varied within
the document were his: N (Neal in license & Newberne, NC, versus Neal
in certificate) & M (within the license, for the bride's initials versus
March).

Re the question about my reading of the first name of the groom's mother:

The closest thing I could find within this 1-page limited sample of the
Clerk's handwriting was to compare how the "N" of Neal is first written
in the license at the top of the page, and the "N" of Newberne, NC in
the certificate -- the 3 BASIC parts of forming the letter N, (i.e., the
up-stroke; the down-stroke; & again the up-stroke), though they are
preceded by a curlicue, are very similar to the latter part of the first
letter-or-two of the groom's mother's first name.

Since those up-down-up strokes are similar to how the Clerk makes
several of his "N" letters, one possibility is that the first letter of
the groom's mother's name is a "W" which, after a curly beginning for
its first down-stroke then looks like the up-down-up strokes of his "N."
That would make her name appear to be Winiy or Winey (perhaps short for
Winifred) with his streak above the name being the dot(s) of the "i"

Mitigating against reading that letter as a "W" is the fact that at the
bottom of the page, in the Minister's Return portion, Jas. W. Wood's
name has the "W" formed quite differently. This part may have actually
been written by the minister; or even if written by the Clerk (perhaps
copying a list of returns from the minister), the Clerk could have just
been as inconsistent on how he wrote his "W" as one can observed for his
"N" and "M" above.

If one were to obtain a number (20 to 30) Greensville Co, VA marriage
documents from the same volume, one should end up with enough samples of
how the Clerk wrote almost all 26 letters of the alphabet in his regular
varying ways. Then one would be able to more clearly determine any other
possibilities for the groom's mother's first name. Lacking that, "Winiy"
or "Winey" is my best estimate.

By the way, the way the Clerk wrote the "ss" at the end of "Poythress"
was not intended by him to be "sp" -- Instead this was the common way of
writing a double-s, going back to what the Germans called an "s-set."

If you should be able to tell me the correct volume number of this
Greensville Co, VA Marriage Book, I'd appreciate having it.

Hope this helps.
Cheers, Barbara
= = = =
Transcription 10 Sep 2003 by Barbara Poythress Neal prepared from Word
attachment (apparently scanned) received from a Poythress researcher, of
a March 1880 Marriage License, Certificate, & Return, numbered 302, in
Greensville County, Virginia (Marriage Book volume number not given). In
this transcription, no attempt is made to match font of original form.

302
Virginia, Greensville County, to-wit:
To any person licensed to celebrate marriages:
You are hereby authorized to join together in the Holy State of
Matrimony, according to the rites and ceremonies of your Church,or
religious denomination, and the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia,

Edward Neal and M.J. Poythress
Given under my hand, as Clerk of the County Court of Greensville County,
this 3d day of March 1880
(signed) E. L. Turner, Clerk
= = = =
Certificate to Obtain a Marriage License
To be annexed to the License, required by Acts passed 15th March, 1861,
and February 27th, 1866
Time of Marriage, March 12th 1880
Place of Marriage, Greensville Co. Va.
Full Names of Parties Married, Edward Neal and M.J. Poythress
Color, White
Age of Husband, 31 years
Age of Wife, 22 “
Condition of Husband (widowed or single), Single
Condition of Wife (widowed or single) “
Place of Husband’s Birth, Newberne NC.
Place of Wife’s Birth, Greenesville Co. Va.
Place of Husband’s Residence, Do. Do. [abbrev. for ditto]
Place of Wife’s Residence, Do. Do.
Names of Husband’s Parents, Edward and Winey(?) Neal
Names of Wife’s Parents, (blank space) Julia Poythress
Occupation of Husband, Farmer
Given under my hand this 3d day of March 1880
(signed) E. L. Turner, Clerk
= = = =
Minister’s Return of Marriage
I Certify, That on the 12th day of March, 1880, at Bride’s house
Greensville Co. Va. I united in Marriage the above named and described
parties, under authority of the annexed License.
(signed) Jas. W. Wood Minister Go[abbrev. for Gospel]		09/10/2003 7:48:34
Re a question about a Poy gggmother DNABarbara P. NealLast night I received a question that I need to answer from a
researcher, and this may be a matter that others are wondering about, so
I will put this out for the whole List:

The researcher said (parenthetical additions are mine:
>"No, my brother ... is not a Poythress as no family member married
back into the Poythress line. Does that mean that the DNA test would not
tell us anything (if this researcher's brother were to test his DNA)?
(The) Poythress (in our ancestry) is 4th Gen from me, my great grandmother."

The Y-DNA testing that we are doing for our Poythress-Surname Y-DNA
Study tests only 25 of the markers in the one part of a man's DNA that
makes him a man. Those 25 markers all come to him from his father's
paternal ancestors. None of them come from any wife of any of those
fathers stretching back forever.

One can also get some markers in his/her mt-DNA tested. "mt-DNA" is in
the mitochondrial part of one's DNA, which comes to the individual only
from his/her mother.

I have not studied the mt-DNA info very much, but from my limited
understanding the mt-DNA that any male inherits from his mother is not
passed on by him to anyone at all.

My understanding is less concerning mothers to daughters to grand
daughters, etc, but I think I correctly understand that some of the
mt-DNA from your mother's mother has come to you thru your mother. IF
that understanding of mine is accurate, and IF the Poythress in your
ancestry was your 4th-ggmother purely on your maternal side all the way
up -- that is your mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother
-- and IF mt-DNA tests were taken by you AND by other females descended
thru females from a female-Poythress, then that mt-DNA could be compared
between you females taking the tests.

An mt-DNA Study such as that would be a completely different study from
our current Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Study, because the markers of the
mt-DNA test results cannot be compared to the markers of the Y-DNA test
results. (That would be like comparing an apple to an orange to try to
determine if the two pieces of fruit came from the same tree.)

Cheers, Barbara		09/10/2003 7:49:04
Thomas Poythress in Roll CallBarbara P. NealMaynard, could you please add at least a rough estimate of when this
Thomas Poythress would have been an adult in Brunswick/Dinwiddie
Counties, Virginia? Sure would help. (I'm curious whether he lived in
both counties, too, by the way)
Thanks, Bpn

John M. Poythress wrote:
>
> I am John Maynard Poythress, descended from Thomas Poythress of
> Brunswick/Dinwiddie Counties, VA.....looking to find the parents of
> Thomas Poythress.
>
> Maynard




09/10/2003 8:00:37
Poythress FamilyI am the grand daughter of Willard Lee Poythress from Wilson, North Carolina
and his wife Lucille Hathoway. Willard's father is John Poythress from
Virginia. Peter Poythress who signed on the House of Burgress is in my line.

Hope I can find some connection one day.

Cindy Lambert



09/10/2003 10:18:46
Correction re birth yr of David PoythressBarbara P. NealThanks to a researcher for helping me recall today, that David's birth
year is something some of us had hashed out thoroughly a few years ago.

David's gravemarker shows his name as David Poythress, and the dates of
his life. I have not seen his marker myself but understand it is
deteriorated and difficult to read. According to notes made by Barbara
Poythress Wolfe (BPW) after doing a rubbing of the gravemarker in 1989
in an effort to determine the dates, the birthdate looked like 26 Jan
1800, and the death date looked like 26 Sep 1876.

I received a photo of his gravemarker taken in Aug 1997 when Judy Speed
Scruggs visited the cemetery. I realize the gravemarker would have then
deteriorated another 8 years since BPW's visit, and that may account for
the dates being only partly legible in the photo. Judy's notation with
the photo indicated the 1800 birthdate and that his death date looked
like 6 Sep 1876.

When BPW and I explored the question of his year of birth at some length
a few years ago, we concluded that either the gravemarker was engraved
with the wrong birth year, or possibly BPW's transcription (done
hurriedly as day was waning, under less than ideal circumstances) was in
error.

The reason it seemed more likely to us that he was born in 1806, as
reflected in the 1850 Mecklenburg Co, VA Census (see below), than in
1800, as was thought from his gravemarker, was mainly because of Edward
Giles' 1818 Will (see below).

If Lewis' son David was indeed born in 1800, his mother would have been
Elizabeth Giles. Elizabeth Giles married Lewis Poythress in 1792, but
she died before 1802, when Lewis Poythress married Rebecca Taylor.

Thus if, instead, David was born in 1806, his mother was Rebecca Taylor,
the second wife of Lewis Poythress.

CENSUS:
The David Poythress household entry lists David, age 44 male
Overseer, with real estate owned being valued at 429; Sally, age 32
female; James, age 17 male; Mary, age 14 female; George age 9 male; and
Charles, age ~1 (sic) male; all in the household were born in VA.
Recorded on 17-18 Sep 1850 by the enumerator.

WILL:
Mecklenburg Co, VA Will Book 8, pp. 415-416, has Edward Giles' Will,
which he made on 10 March 1818 and which was recorded on 16 March 1818.
In it, he bequeathed "first. . . to my Grand Daughter Milly Nance two
Hundred dollars to her and her heirs. . .second. . . to my Grandson
Edward Poythress twenty five dollars to him and his heirs. . . third. .
. to my Grandson John Poythress one hundred dollars to him and his
heirs. . . fourth. . . to my Grand Daughter Martha Giles Daughter of my
Daughter Betsy P. Giles two hundred dollars to her and her heirs. . .
fifth, and last after all my just Debts funeral expenses and the above
legacies are first paid it is my will and desire that the remainder of
my estate be equally divided amongst my four Living Children Jean P.
Basey, John Giles, Edward Giles, and William Giles to each of them and
their heirs. . . I appoint Edward Giles, Jr. and John Basey exors..."		09/10/2003 10:46:04
RE: Thomas Poythress in Roll CallJohn M. Poythress-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:01 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Thomas Poythress in Roll Call

Maynard, could you please add at least a rough estimate of when this
Thomas Poythress would have been an adult in Brunswick/Dinwiddie
Counties, Virginia? Sure would help. (I'm curious whether he lived in
both counties, too, by the way)
Thanks, Bpn

John M. Poythress wrote:
>
> I am John Maynard Poythress, descended from Thomas Poythress of
> Brunswick/Dinwiddie Counties, VA.....looking to find the parents of
> Thomas Poythress.
>
> Maynard

Barbara...this is going to get pretty chancy with little or nothing to
go on. The guy who appears to be Thomas' eldest son is Meredith, Sr.
who gets
married in July 1782. For an eldest son I arbitrarily use 20 as an
approximate age for marriage/generation so we say Meredith was born in
1762 and that would make his father Thomas born in 1742 (or
thereabouts). Thomas is commonly cited as Dinwiddie/Brunswick but I
have data for Brunswick and none for Dinwiddie. We do know that Thomas
dies in Burke County, GA in 1801 and that makes a 1742 birth date look
reasonable.

I have a hunch that this line is going end up being common to a gang of
us and that, indeed, Thomas may just be "the" common ancestor we're
talking about. I intuit the odds to be head on that Meredith is Lewis'
brother based on marriage bonds and if so then Thomas is the connection.

I find it also intriguing that the guys who are having the 25 count
minor "variance" are splitting into two groups. James P. Poythress of
Screven County is now matching Bud and me precisely, all of us with
Screven County roots. And the other group matching up precisely appears
to be your and Elaine's Alabama/Mississippi crowd. So, does a guy who
carries a gene variance go to west Alabama or southeast Georgia? Looks
obvious to me but I know just enough to be dangerous.

Maynard		09/10/2003 11:15:45
Re: James P. Poythress, Fla. LandBarbara P. NealLinda, I see from the Bureau of Land Management, General Land Office
website info I printed out at some point, that the land James P.
Poythress (spelled that way) patented in 1827 was signed by the Land
office on 1 Jun 1827:

Document #1110: E. half of the S.E. qtr of Section 7 in Township 2
North, Range 2 West in the District of Lands offered for sale at
Tallahassee in the Territory of Florida containing 78.72 acres in
Gadsden County (or in abbreviated version:
E 1/2 SE 1/4 Sec 7 T2N R2W

The map I saw on the Gadsden County site shows that piece would be
closer to Havana, FL than to Quincy -- SW of Havana & basically due E of
Quincy.

Do you know whether any of the descendants of John P. Poythress are now
(or have ever) lived about at that point?

The later patent was signed by the Land Office on 1 Nov 1848 for James
Poythrees (sic; clearly spelled that way), Document #8871: SE 1/4 of NE
qtr of Sec 18 in T2N of R6W

I hope you can determine thru your family whether that is part of the
John P. Poythress land, too.

Thanks,
Barbara

9/11/03 3:54am
James Smith wrote:
> The land which James P. Poythress got in 1827 is not the same land which
> our present families know as the Poythress homeplace. The original 1827
> location is approximately 5 miles east of Quincy, the county seat.
> However, other land is shown as being owned by James Poythress and is
> located in the far western side of the county, approximately 15 miles
> west of Quincy. According to a list furnished by Gadsden Abstract,
> Quincy, FL and published in the book Little River Pioneers, J.P.
> Porythness (sic) was among the "land seekers attracted and homesteaded
> this area [the Little River area].
>
> J. P. Porythness (sic), Township 2 North, Range 3 West, E1/2 SE1/4,
> 2-10-27.
>
> From my previous reading in the above mentioned book, the authors state
> that many of the early settlers moved from this area after living there
> for a few years. Many moved back to areas from which they came, namely
> back to various parts of Georgia while other families moved on westward
> in Gadsden County and even to further points beyond. It is believed the
> fact that Indians were still around in at that time was a factor in the
> moves of many families. So it does seem logical to find other Poythress
> land in the western part of Gadsden County.
> The land that our present families refer to as the Poythress homeplace
> is actually property which had been owned by the Dolan family. John P.
> Poythress married in 1866 Mary Ann Dolan, daughter of Martin Dolan and
> Ellen ____. Gene's father, Robert Clarence Poythress, inherited the
> land and continued to farm it throughout his life. Gene's sister,
> Francis Poythress Gardner, presently lives on this property. Gene's
> farm in about 2 miles to the northwest, in the area where his mother,
> Phoebie McMillan was born and raised. Without having talked with Gene
> about the history of his property, it appears that it is some of the old
> McMillan land.
>
> I hope this narrative has perhaps cleared up some questions about
> Poythress lands in Gadsden Co., Florida. I will attempt to get further
> information from the local abstract office as relates to these two old
> Poythress properties and keep you informed of any findings of interest.
>
> Cousin Linda Clark Smith
> Gadsden Co., FL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
>
>		09/11/2003 1:21:13
James P. Poythress, Fla. LandJames SmithThe land which James P. Poythress got in 1827 is not the same land which
our present families know as the Poythress homeplace. The original 1827
location is approximately 5 miles east of Quincy, the county seat.
However, other land is shown as being owned by James Poythress and is
located in the far western side of the county, approximately 15 miles
west of Quincy. According to a list furnished by Gadsden Abstract,
Quincy, FL and published in the book Little River Pioneers, J.P.
Porythness (sic) was among the "land seekers attracted and homesteaded
this area [the Little River area].

J. P. Porythness (sic), Township 2 North, Range 3 West, E1/2 SE1/4,
2-10-27.

From my previous reading in the above mentioned book, the authors state
that many of the early settlers moved from this area after living there
for a few years. Many moved back to areas from which they came, namely
back to various parts of Georgia while other families moved on westward
in Gadsden County and even to further points beyond. It is believed the
fact that Indians were still around in at that time was a factor in the
moves of many families. So it does seem logical to find other Poythress
land in the western part of Gadsden County.

The land that our present families refer to as the Poythress homeplace
is actually property which had been owned by the Dolan family. John P.
Poythress married in 1866 Mary Ann Dolan, daughter of Martin Dolan and
Ellen ____. Gene's father, Robert Clarence Poythress, inherited the
land and continued to farm it throughout his life. Gene's sister,
Francis Poythress Gardner, presently lives on this property. Gene's
farm in about 2 miles to the northwest, in the area where his mother,
Phoebie McMillan was born and raised. Without having talked with Gene
about the history of his property, it appears that it is some of the old
McMillan land.

I hope this narrative has perhaps cleared up some questions about
Poythress lands in Gadsden Co., Florida. I will attempt to get further
information from the local abstract office as relates to these two old
Poythress properties and keep you informed of any findings of interest.

Cousin Linda Clark Smith
Gadsden Co., FL		09/11/2003 12:54:00
Re: List-Obit for List-subscriber Lucky - CORRECTIONBarbara P. NealI'm so sorry I just realized that when I posted the original version of
this a couple of hours ago, I inadvertently left out one parenthesis
closing mark, which could leave the wrong impression on the
relationships of Lucky's survivors, so this is to clarify that:


I have learned that our former List-subscriber, "Lucky" died two years
ago from an aneurysm, on 21 July 2001 in a hospital in Stanford,
California, though he resided in Chico, California. He was only a month
short of his 70th birthday.

Lucky had retired in Chico from the U.S. Navy, and then worked for
Pacific Bell until he retired from there, too. After he retired, he
began working with a passion on genealogy and family history.

Lucky's full name was Horace Elmo Poythress. He was born 30 Aug 1931 in
Wilson, North Carolina, of Bertha and "Jack" Fredrick Elmo D'Auther
Poythress. Lucky was preceded in death by his parents (1990 and 1963,
respectively) and four siblings, Charles Frederick Poythress (in 1993),
Richard Thomas Poythress (in 1992), Margaret Poythress (in 1941), and
Donald Ray Poythress (in 1943).

Survivors of Lucky are
- his wife, "Betty" Virginia Poythress of Chico;
- son "Lee" Horace Leroy Poythress (wife Lynn, a Poythress-List
subscriber, son Corey Blaine, and daughter Allison Celeste, now 15 and
9, of Elk Grove, California);
- son "Ben" Benjamin Fredrick Poythress and daughter "Jan"
Janice Annette Poythress, both of Chico;
- sister Laura Lee Goff (husband "Bud" Lenwood Owen Goff)
of Central Point, Oregon; and
- brother Benjamin Wayne Poythress (wife Joan) of Wilson, North Carolina.

Lucky's cremation and final services were handled by Newton-Bracewell
Funeral Home in Chico.

More information on Lucky's ancestry can be found by searching our
Poythress-List Message Archives, which can be accessed from our
Poythress research website:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		09/12/2003 1:40:21
James Porrell Portis & James P. PoythressBarbara P. NealThanks, Bruce, for getting back to me so quickly. Appreciate the
clarification re your Nov 1999 message (which I'm pasting below
tonight's clarification). As some of us are trying to better understand
the James P. Poythress in Gadsden Co, Florida in 1827, it helps to gain
the results of your results on the similarly-named James P. Portis.
Thanks again,
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)

9/12/03 7:29pm Bruce Miller, orvus@wvi.com
wrote to BPN:

When I asked about James P. Portis, I was trying to find out if there
was any connection with my Nancy Ann Poythress and her sisters Rebecca
Poythress Prior and Eliza Poythress Garrett. This man was the only
person I could find in the Harris Co (Upson, Muscogee Co's) area who had
a name which even remotely came close to Poythress. He was in about the
same age group as the three ladies so it was a fishing expedition to
see if perhaps he could be a brother to the three. Since then, it
appears that he was not a Poythress and not a brother to my Nancy Ann
Poythress. I also was interested to see if James P. Portis and James
P. Poythress had some connection as the names were so similar. I have
not found anything to remotely support that either.

Since the three leads I have for my Poythress family line are all
females with no known parents, it has not been of much interest to other
researchers because the Poythress name did not come on down through
these women. All three women were in Harris Co. in early 1830's.
Before that, I have no knowledge where Nancy Ann and Eliza Poythress
were in Georgia. It is documented that their sister Rebecca was in
Columbia Co. Georgia since her marriage was recorded ie Rebecca
Poythress m. Wade Haden Prior 4 Mar 1829. Columbia Co. was formed from
Richmond Co.

One thing that is a slim clue, but brings questions to my mind is
that Rebecca and Wade Haden Prior's first child, a son, was named Edward
Haden Prior. In my researching, (going on memory right now so not
written in stone until I confirm it) it seems that I did not find the
name Edward to occur in the Prior or Haden families.
I wondered if perhaps these girls could descend from Edward Poythress in
the Screven/Burke area. Is it known for certain if he married or not?
Another sister, Eliza Poythress Garrett named her first son, Edmund
Garrett. So the first sons in those two families had very similar
names, and that may be all that it is, or it may be a clue. There was
another name of interest in the children of Rebecca Poythress Prior and
Wade Prior. That was the 9th child, a son, who was named William
Wakefield Prior. I have researched the William Wakefields and found
that there was such a person in Newton County, Georgia where Willoughby
Hammack Jr. lived. I was fishing again to see if the Wakefield family
had any connections, perhaps on the maternal line of the Poythress
family, but no conclusive evidence thus far.
Thanks again for writing.
Bruce Miller
= = = =
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
From: "bruce miller"
Subject: JAMES P. PORTIS
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:29:20 -0800

Hello List Members,
I am putting out a general plea for help on James P. Portis. Any
information on him or his family would be appreciated.

Maybe you have run across information on him that might help untangle
the web. I have found records of him in Upson County, Georgia, Muscogee
County, Georgia, Talbot County, Georgia..

He is in the 1830 Talbot County, Census.

He shows up on a land grant in Tippah County, Mississippi and is on the
1850 Census of Tippah County, Mississippi. His wife is listed as
Pheriby...she is Pheriby Ross, but she was first married to Green
Flournoy in 1818 in Jones County, Georgia.

James P. Portis is listed as 50 years of age in the 1850 Census, born in
N.C.

In 1827 he was listed in the Georgia Lottery as a winner of land and as
a soldier.

Tippah County, Mississippi is in the northern part of the state
bordering Tennessee. In the land grant records of Mississippi, his name
is listed as JAMES PORRELL PORTIS.

The spelling of his name never varies from state to state and he
apparently had to know how to read and write as he was the Clerk of the
Inferior Court and Treasurer in Upson County, Georgia in 1825.

There is a James P. Poythress who gets a land grant in Madison County
[BPN's NOTE: Bruce meant to say Gadsden County, FL here; he corrected
himself later to me], Florida in 1827. Is this the same James P.?

I don't believe that he is the same as James P. Portis, but some of you
may have more information on the James P. Poythress in Florida. I
haven't tackled that line yet.

There is a James Portis listed in the 1810 North Carolina Census and I
have not tracked that one down yet either. it would not be the James P.
Portis of Mississippi as he was born abt 1800.

Help - is there anyone who has traced this James P. Portis or has any
information -- or anyone who has worked on the James P. Poythress line
in Florida, so that these two can be seperated as two distinct lines or
merged if they have a connection.

Thanks,
Bruce Miller
orvus@wvi.com		09/12/2003 1:56:07
List-Obit for List-subscriber LuckyBarbara P. NealDear All,

I have learned that our former List-subscriber, "Lucky" died two years
ago from an aneurysm, on 21 July 2001 in a hospital in Stanford,
California, though he resided in Chico, California. He was only a month
short of his 70th birthday.

Lucky had retired in Chico from the U.S. Navy, and then worked for
Pacific Bell until he retired from there, too. After he retired, he
began working with a passion on genealogy and family history.

Lucky's full name was Horace Elmo Poythress. He was born 30 Aug 1931 in
Wilson, North Carolina, of Bertha and "Jack" Fredrick Elmo D'Auther
Poythress. Lucky was preceded in death by his parents (1990 and 1963,
respectively) and four siblings, Charles Frederick Poythress (in 1993),
Richard Thomas Poythress (in 1992), Margaret Poythress (in 1941), and
Donald Ray Poythress (in 1943).

Survivors of Lucky are his wife, "Betty" Virginia Poythress of Chico;
son "Lee" Horace Leroy Poythress (wife Lynn, a Poythress-List
subscriber, son Corey Blaine, and daughter Allison Celeste, now 15 and
9, of Elk Grove, California; son "Ben" Benjamin Fredrick Poythress and
daughter "Jan" Janice Annette Poythress, both of Chico; sister Laura Lee
Goff (husband "Bud" Lenwood Owen Goff) of Central Point, Oregon; and
brother Benjamin Wayne Poythress (wife Joan) of Wilson, North Carolina.

Lucky's cremation and final services were handled by Newton-Bracewell
Funeral Home in Chico.

More information on Lucky's ancestry can be found by searching our
Poythress-List Message Archives, which can be accessed from our
Poythress research website:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		09/12/2003 11:36:48
1880 Screven Co, GA - Wm E. PoythressDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionHello All,
I was looking through some paperwork for BPN and realized I hadn't checked
the 1880 census for Wm E and his family. Below is what I found (note the
birth place of his father. This was the first time I had ever seen MD
referenced.):

1880 Census Screven Co, GA
Dist 259 Roll: T9_164; Family History Film #: 1254164, pg. 258c, ED #86
Image #59
Source: Ancestry.com

Census taken 29th June 1880 by James S. Evans

Line 18 551-580 Poythress, Wm E W M 49 married
Occupation: Miller
Born: GA
Father : MD
Mother: GA


Line 19 Martha J. W F 37 married
Housekeeper
Born: GA
both parents: GA

Line 20 Idella W F 21 daughter, single
At home
Born: GA

Line 21 Thomas B. W M 19 Son, single
Works on farm
Born: GA
At school this year

Line 22 Wm Jr. W M 18 Son, single
Works on farm
Born: GA
At school this year

Line 23 John W. W M 14? Son, single
Works on farm
Born: GA
At school this year

Line 24 Robert W M 13? Son, single
Born: GA
At school this year
Cant read or write

Line 25 Gaza H. W M 1 Son, single
Born: GA



I had never heard Poythresses being in MD, so I checked 1820 & 1830 censuses
for all of MD. None found. I then checked 1820 & 1830 (on Ancestry.com) for
all of VA to see who could be close to MD for that time frame.

For 1820, I found only John Poythress in Prince George Co, VA. At the time
of the census, he was single.
A possibility.

For 1830, I found two Poythress households - Thomas E. in Charles City Co,
VA & Lily Poythress in Dinwiddie Co, VA.
(John Poythress from 1820 was not listed. Don't know where he moved off to.)

Thomas E. looks like a good possibility as well.

Males under 5 = 1
5 -10 = 1
10-15 = 1
15-20 = 1
20-30 = 1
40-50 = 1 - looks like this would be Thomas E.

Females 5-10 = 1
40-50 = 1 - this would be his wife (?)


Anybody run across this Thomas E. in the past or know anything of him or of
John Poythress in the 1820 census?

Very interesting.

Debbie

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http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es		09/13/2003 11:51:36
Re: Census Project/First Four StatesBarbara P. NealHooray!! Thank you so much Elaine & Al for all these great new resources
on our Poythress research website.

Cheers, Barbara (BPN)

9/14/03 1:14pm
Denver145@aol.com wrote:
> Just to let everyone know, the final of the first 4 states VA,NC,SC,FL, of
> the census project are on the Poythress Site. Al Tims did a wonderful job,
> getting it all on there for us. It is under the heading, Census Records, on the
> left side of the screen.
>
> Take care,
> Elaine		09/14/2003 3:02:33
Book review - early VABarbara P. NealJust saw this book recommendation in a message from a NC genealogical
society. Sounds interesting.
BPN

Have just finished reading "Martin's Hundred" and "The Virginia
Adventure" by Ivor Noel Hume , both concerning the history of English
settlement beginning with Roanoke Island and it's archaelogical
exploration, settlement of Jamestown and Martin's Hundred, Wostenholme
Towne, their excavation, and the Indian massacres of 1622 and 1644. The
most complete collection of dates, names, ships and bibliography of the
early British history and beginnings of our United States to be found
within the covers of two books. These could be recommended to anyone
interested in the early history of our families...		09/14/2003 3:05:43
Census cautions - including Wm E. PoythressBarbara P. NealHi All,

Debbie's message reminded me that we all need to be careful in what we
read into, and from, census records. She saw in the 1880 Screven Co, GA
Census, an entry that Wm E. Poythress (then age 49) had a father who was
born in "MD." Aside from the normal cautions about errors in the Census,
I have the following to relay:

Due to moving around from job transfers thru the years, my husband & I
have lived, in the following order:
- in Atlanta for 3 yrs
- in Virginia Beach for almost 8 yrs
- in a small rural area near Knoxville, TN for 1 month
- in a small town near Chattanooga, TN for 17 months
- in a small town near Chicago for 9.5 yrs (10 winters!)
- in a small town near that part of Maryland which is near Washington,
DC for 3.5 yrs
- in Los Angeles for 10+ yrs

Any descendant looking for us in 100 yrs or so will indeed be able to
find us in Atlanta ("logical," I can just hear some descendant saying,
since our birth families were in Atlanta & Birmingham while we were
growing up).

However our descendants will *not* find us in Atlanta in the 3
subsequent censuses. So they'll look further afield.

However, even with family lore saying we spent years in Virginia &
Chicago, they will never find us in either of those places (where
between them, we spent over 17 years).

Why? Simply due to the *timing* of the transfers & resulting moves.

So the morals of this story are:
- that we have to look far & wide when we don't find people in
expected places.
- And having the clue that *perhaps* Maryland was the birthplace of
the father of the Wm. E. Poythress who was born in about 1831, may
*never* be reinforced from Census records: one would have to search a
variety of Maryland records (deeds, mortgages, tax records, voting
records, etc, etc) to see if *any* other record reinforced any Poythress
ever being anywhere in Maryland.

Hopefully all of us who are interested in our genealogy & family history
will leave clear trails for subsequent generations to follow in their
quest to us and to our ancestry.

Cheers, Barbara (BPN)

9/13/03 4:51pm
Debbie Poythress-Concepcion wrote:
...for Wm E and his family. Below is what I found (note the birth
> place of his father. This was the first time I had ever
> seen MD referenced.):
>
> 1880 Census Screven Co, GA
> Dist 259 Roll: T9_164; Family History Film #: 1254164, pg. 258c, ED #86
> Image #59, Source: Ancestry.com
>
> Census taken 29th June 1880 by James S. Evans
>
> Line 18 551-580 Poythress, Wm E W M 49 married
> Occupation: Miller
> Born: GA
> “ Father : MD
> “ Mother: GA		09/14/2003 4:46:56
Census Project/First Four StatesJust to let everyone know, the final of the first 4 states VA,NC,SC,FL, of
the census project are on the Poythress Site. Al Tims did a wonderful job,
getting it all on there for us. It is under the heading, Census Records, on the
left side of the screen.

Take care,
Elaine		09/14/2003 10:14:28
Bible record on Poythress websiteBarbara P. NealPerhaps all of you have already seen it, and I've been the only one
"asleep at the switch" but in case you, too, have missed it:

At our Poythress website, Al has posted under "Marriage and Bible
Records" the old document that is my ancestors' Poythress & Preston
Family Bible-type Record. In addition to the old document itself (3 long
pages, handwritten in green ink) he has posted the typed transcription
and introductory comments that I prepared some years ago prior to
putting copies of it at the Library of Virginia, and at the Lauderdale
County, Mississippi Dept of Archives, and at the Samford University (in
Birmingham, Alabama) Library's Special Collections Room.

Thanks, Al, for all your good work on our website.
Barbara Poythress Neal		09/16/2003 2:59:48
Ancestor ever a PORTIS ?Barbara P. NealIf your POYTHRESS ancestor's family ever used the name PORTIS in any of
the records you have found, would you please just drop me a note to let
me know? I sure would appreciate it.

Thanks so much -

Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net




09/17/2003 7:46:47
Far-moving PoythressBarbara P. NealWow, Linda - Great finding in the "Little River Pioneers" (LRP) book by
Miles Womack & others about your area of Gadsden Co, FL about James P.
Poythress. I'm putting this on the P-List, where more folks can see
this, and where we'll get your "find" archived; at the bottom here is a
copy of your message to me earlier today.

James P. Poythress (for the benefit of the List) is the fellow who we
know was earlier of Burke Co, GA before moving to Gadsden Co, FL. Linda
Clark Smith today found that JPP moved to Yalobusha Co, MS ~1848.

In answer to Linda's question of me: I don't know of anyone from my own
Poythress line being in Yalobusha county. I see that Yalobusha Co, MS is
located due south of Memphis, on what is now I-55, the interstate that
connects Memphis to New Orleans in a straight North-South line. It is
much further north in MS (and further west) than Lauderdale Co, MS
(around Meridian), where my ancestors moved later, after having moved in
1853 from Mecklenburg Co, VA to Sumter Co, AL (across the stateline from
Meridian).

HOWEVER we know that on 13 Sep 1856 the elusive Littlebury H. Poytress
(sic - no "h") signed his Will in that county, and the Will was proved
in court there in Aug 1857. I transcribed his Will in a message to the
Poythress-List on 8 Oct 1997, in a message captioned "John Poythress'
Will & Wm Bell" -- it can be found in the Poythress-List Archives.

Littlebury H. Poytress mentioned that his son-in-law Wm C Bell, was to
manage the property that would go to daughter Frances after Littlebury's
wife Frances passed on (MY wording, not LHP's).

I transcribed that Will that I had earlier obtained from Mississippi
Archives, because I had seen the name of Wm Bell in the Will of John
Poythress that Carol Morrison had retrieved from the NC Archives on 7
Oct 1997. She transcribed John Poythress' Will & posted her
transcription and an image of the Will at the following location:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~vabrunsw/poythress/jnopoy1.htm

John Poythress' Will was signed on 23 Oct 1813 in Beaufort, NC, in
Carteret County, along the coast; that Will had been witnessed by a Wm Bell.

Also in the Archives you can see the message on 9 Oct 1997 from Jean
Poythress Spille (who later resumed using her Poythress name) who
responded with an abstract of a reference where she found a Littlebury
Poytress in Northampton Co, NC records: NC Military Papers filed at NC
State Library in Raleigh, Ref#289. In Jean's abstract, we see that on
April 1813 Littleberry & Priscilla Poytress (or Potros elsewhere in the
message) & Delily Poytress (or Potros elsewhere) were the "only heirs to
our Uncle John Protros Dec's in war." Littleberry authorized his friend
Daniel Cherry of Wilson Co, TN to apply and draw a Military Land Warrant
for the Survey of land to which the Uncle was entitled for Continental
Line service in NC.

Now we have today's interesting finding by Linda, of James P. Poythress
moving (after Burke Co, GA, earlier) from Gadsden Co, FL to the same
Yalobusha County, MS where Littlebury H. Poytress died.

Thanks, Linda, for this find.
BPN

9/18/03 3:43am
Linda Smith wrote:
> Barbara, rattle my brain one more time --- what county(ies) in
> Mississippi are your ancestors from? Yalobusha Co. one of'um??
>
> I'm still reading, in more detail this time around, the Little River
> Pioneers (LRP) book. Read where some of the local LRP, neighbors of our
> James P. Poythress, moved from Gadsden Co. to Yalobusha Co., Miss. circa
> 1848. Even before that time another neighbor had left Gadsden Co. abt.
> 1836-37 & moved up to Baker Co., GA (not too far away) and then in late
> 1842 moved to Yalobusha Co., Miss. So many of these families
> eventually moved into Texas by the mid 1800s.
>
> I'm continuing to see references to Burke Co., GA as places of residence
> (or birth) for some of these LRP families, prior to their being in
> Pulaski Co., GA & moving on down to Gadsden Co. It certainly does seem
> likely that our James P. did not come down here to Gadsden Co. unknown
> to his neighbors, especially being that he settled right in amongst so
> many of them.
> Linda		09/18/2003 1:07:12
Re: Far-moving PoythressBarbara P. NealOoops! Sorry for the false alert, folks:( I obviously wasn't paying
close enough attention. Need sleep.

In the meantime, though, our good Al Tims was great to add to the
"Wills" section of our Poythress website, the
Will that Carol Morrison had transcribed of:
John Poythress of Carteret County - Town of Beaufort, NC, 10 Mar 1818

BPN

9/18/03 7:48pm
James Smith wrote:
> Please note that I stated that I'd read where "neighbors" of James P.
> Poythress here in Gadsden Co., FL moved to Yalobusha Co., Mississippi
> around 1848, not JPP himself.
>
> Linda Clark Smith
>
> 9/18/03 7:07pm
> Barbara P. Neal wrote:
>
>> Wow, Linda - Great finding in the "Little River Pioneers" (LRP) book
>> by Miles Womack & others about your area of Gadsden Co, FL about James
>> P. Poythress. I'm putting this on the P-List, where more folks can see
>> this, and where we'll get your "find" archived; at the bottom here is
>> a copy of your message to me earlier today.
>>
>> James P. Poythress (for the benefit of the List) is the fellow who we
>> know was earlier of Burke Co, GA before moving to Gadsden Co, FL.
>> Linda Clark Smith today found that JPP moved to Yalobusha Co, MS ~1848.
>>
>> In answer to Linda's question of me: I don't know of anyone from my
>> own Poythress line being in Yalobusha county. I see that Yalobusha Co,
>> MS is located due south of Memphis, on what is now I-55, the
>> interstate that connects Memphis to New Orleans in a straight
>> North-South line. It is much further north in MS (and further west)
>> than Lauderdale Co, MS (around Meridian), where my ancestors moved
>> later, after having moved in 1853 from Mecklenburg Co, VA to Sumter
>> Co, AL (across the stateline from Meridian).
>>
>> HOWEVER we know that on 13 Sep 1856 the elusive Littlebury H. Poytress
>> (sic - no "h") signed his Will in that county, and the Will was proved
>> in court there in Aug 1857. I transcribed his Will in a message to the
>> Poythress-List on 8 Oct 1997, in a message captioned "John Poythress'
>> Will & Wm Bell" -- it can be found in the Poythress-List Archives.
>>
>> Littlebury H. Poytress mentioned that his son-in-law Wm C Bell, was to
>> manage the property that would go to daughter Frances after
>> Littlebury's wife Frances passed on (MY wording, not LHP's).
>>
>> I transcribed that Will that I had earlier obtained from Mississippi
>> Archives, because I had seen the name of Wm Bell in the Will of John
>> Poythress that Carol Morrison had retrieved from the NC Archives on 7
>> Oct 1997. She transcribed John Poythress' Will & posted her
>> transcription and an image of the Will at the following location:
>>
>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~vabrunsw/poythress/jnopoy1.htm
>>
>> John Poythress' Will was signed on 23 Oct 1813 in Beaufort, NC, in
>> Carteret County, along the coast; that Will had been witnessed by a Wm
>> Bell.
>>
>> Also in the Archives you can see the message on 9 Oct 1997 from Jean
>> Poythress Spille (who later resumed using her Poythress name) who
>> responded with an abstract of a reference where she found a Littlebury
>> Poytress in Northampton Co, NC records: NC Military Papers filed at NC
>> State Library in Raleigh, Ref#289. In Jean's abstract, we see that on
>> April 1813 Littleberry & Priscilla Poytress (or Potros elsewhere in
>> the message) & Delily Poytress (or Potros elsewhere) were the "only
>> heirs to our Uncle John Protros Dec's in war." Littleberry authorized
>> his friend Daniel Cherry of Wilson Co, TN to apply and draw a Military
>> Land Warrant for the Survey of land to which the Uncle was entitled
>> for Continental Line service in NC.
>>
>> Now we have today's interesting finding by Linda, of James P.
>> Poythress moving (after Burke Co, GA, earlier) from Gadsden Co, FL to
>> the same Yalobusha County, MS where Littlebury H. Poytress died.
>>
>> Thanks, Linda, for this find.
>> BPN
>>
>> 9/18/03 3:43am
>> Linda Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Barbara, rattle my brain one more time --- what county(ies) in
>>> Mississippi are your ancestors from? Yalobusha Co. one of'um??
>>>
>>> I'm still reading, in more detail this time around, the Little River
>>> Pioneers (LRP) book. Read where some of the local LRP, neighbors of
>>> our James P. Poythress, moved from Gadsden Co. to Yalobusha Co.,
>>> Miss. circa 1848. Even before that time another neighbor had left
>>> Gadsden Co. abt. 1836-37 & moved up to Baker Co., GA (not too far
>>> away) and then in late 1842 moved to Yalobusha Co., Miss. So many
>>> of these families eventually moved into Texas by the mid 1800s.
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>> I'm continuing to see references to Burke Co., GA as places of
>>> residence (or birth) for some of these LRP families, prior to their
>>> being in Pulaski Co., GA & moving on down to Gadsden Co. It
>>> certainly does seem likely that our James P. did not come down here
>>> to Gadsden Co. unknown to his neighbors, especially being that he
>>> settled right in amongst so many of them. Linda
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>		09/18/2003 3:57:26
Re: Far-moving PoythressJames SmithPlease note that I stated that I'd read where "neighbors" of James P.
Poythress here in Gadsden Co., FL moved to Yalobusha Co., Mississippi
around 1848, not JPP himself.

Linda Clark Smith

Barbara P. Neal wrote:

> Wow, Linda - Great finding in the "Little River Pioneers" (LRP) book
> by Miles Womack & others about your area of Gadsden Co, FL about James
> P. Poythress. I'm putting this on the P-List, where more folks can see
> this, and where we'll get your "find" archived; at the bottom here is
> a copy of your message to me earlier today.
>
> James P. Poythress (for the benefit of the List) is the fellow who we
> know was earlier of Burke Co, GA before moving to Gadsden Co, FL.
> Linda Clark Smith today found that JPP moved to Yalobusha Co, MS ~1848.
>
> In answer to Linda's question of me: I don't know of anyone from my
> own Poythress line being in Yalobusha county. I see that Yalobusha Co,
> MS is located due south of Memphis, on what is now I-55, the
> interstate that connects Memphis to New Orleans in a straight
> North-South line. It is much further north in MS (and further west)
> than Lauderdale Co, MS (around Meridian), where my ancestors moved
> later, after having moved in 1853 from Mecklenburg Co, VA to Sumter
> Co, AL (across the stateline from Meridian).
>
> HOWEVER we know that on 13 Sep 1856 the elusive Littlebury H. Poytress
> (sic - no "h") signed his Will in that county, and the Will was proved
> in court there in Aug 1857. I transcribed his Will in a message to the
> Poythress-List on 8 Oct 1997, in a message captioned "John Poythress'
> Will & Wm Bell" -- it can be found in the Poythress-List Archives.
>
> Littlebury H. Poytress mentioned that his son-in-law Wm C Bell, was to
> manage the property that would go to daughter Frances after
> Littlebury's wife Frances passed on (MY wording, not LHP's).
>
> I transcribed that Will that I had earlier obtained from Mississippi
> Archives, because I had seen the name of Wm Bell in the Will of John
> Poythress that Carol Morrison had retrieved from the NC Archives on 7
> Oct 1997. She transcribed John Poythress' Will & posted her
> transcription and an image of the Will at the following location:
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~vabrunsw/poythress/jnopoy1.htm
>
> John Poythress' Will was signed on 23 Oct 1813 in Beaufort, NC, in
> Carteret County, along the coast; that Will had been witnessed by a Wm
> Bell.
>
> Also in the Archives you can see the message on 9 Oct 1997 from Jean
> Poythress Spille (who later resumed using her Poythress name) who
> responded with an abstract of a reference where she found a Littlebury
> Poytress in Northampton Co, NC records: NC Military Papers filed at NC
> State Library in Raleigh, Ref#289. In Jean's abstract, we see that on
> April 1813 Littleberry & Priscilla Poytress (or Potros elsewhere in
> the message) & Delily Poytress (or Potros elsewhere) were the "only
> heirs to our Uncle John Protros Dec's in war." Littleberry authorized
> his friend Daniel Cherry of Wilson Co, TN to apply and draw a Military
> Land Warrant for the Survey of land to which the Uncle was entitled
> for Continental Line service in NC.
>
> Now we have today's interesting finding by Linda, of James P.
> Poythress moving (after Burke Co, GA, earlier) from Gadsden Co, FL to
> the same Yalobusha County, MS where Littlebury H. Poytress died.
>
> Thanks, Linda, for this find.
> BPN
>
> 9/18/03 3:43am
> Linda Smith wrote:
>
>> Barbara, rattle my brain one more time --- what county(ies) in
>> Mississippi are your ancestors from? Yalobusha Co. one of'um??
>>
>> I'm still reading, in more detail this time around, the Little River
>> Pioneers (LRP) book. Read where some of the local LRP, neighbors of
>> our James P. Poythress, moved from Gadsden Co. to Yalobusha Co.,
>> Miss. circa 1848. Even before that time another neighbor had left
>> Gadsden Co. abt. 1836-37 & moved up to Baker Co., GA (not too far
>> away) and then in late 1842 moved to Yalobusha Co., Miss. So many
>> of these families eventually moved into Texas by the mid 1800s.
>
> >
>
>> I'm continuing to see references to Burke Co., GA as places of
>> residence (or birth) for some of these LRP families, prior to their
>> being in Pulaski Co., GA & moving on down to Gadsden Co. It
>> certainly does seem likely that our James P. did not come down here
>> to Gadsden Co. unknown to his neighbors, especially being that he
>> settled right in amongst so many of them. Linda
>
>
>
>		09/18/2003 4:48:41
Using pre-1850 census info to get probable parentBarbara P. NealIn case any of our Listers in NC are able to attend that Sept meeting I
mentioned earlier of the Wilson Co, NC Gen Society meeting, the place of
meeting has changed.

Tim Rackley will be addressing the use of pre 1850 census information to
reduce possible parents to a probable parent.

NEW LOCATION & reminder of when:
23rd Sep 7 PM at Asbury Hall, First Methodist Church, Wilson.
The church is downtown between Tarboro and Pine Streets. It takes up the
entire block of Green between those two streets. Asbury Hall is in the
center of the block at the back of the courtyard. There is street
parking and also parking behind the building or across the street.
It isn't hard to find, just a block away from Nash Street (the main
downstreet).

Barbara		09/20/2003 5:43:03
[Poythress] Re: [Poythress: ] Isabel affect you/yours?Thank goodness Isabel spared us this time. Damage in Raleigh was minimal,
mostly fallen trees. I had a big one drop and just miss my house! Never lost
power.

I also have a home at Emerald Isle, N.C. ( About 1 hour north of Wilmington).
You could hardly tell that a storm had even passed thru!

Kevin Poythress
Morrisville, N.C.		09/22/2003 1:49:00
Re: [Poythress] Re: [Poythress: ] Isabel affect you/yours?Glad to hear, you escaped the brunt of the storm. I live in a berbs of
Denver, CO. Don't get hurricanes but got 38 inches of snow in 24 hours last year and
the branches of the trees in my yard snapped and we had one heck of a mess to
clean up. Glad you and yours are ok.

Take care,
Elaine		09/22/2003 2:03:11
Thomas Poythress references 1794-1796Barbara P. NealWhen doing a Google search the other day, I stumbled across the below
entries of interest in a page that had earlier been cached by Google.
(These 3 items were only a tiny portion of the Moseley entries.)

Only the first & last of the 3 entries mention Thomas Poythress, but the
one in between them was of interest to me, too, because of the mention
of Hicks & Bass. Those are surnames that I seem to recall perhaps being
parties to some Poythress deed transactions sometime back then -- Can
somebody help me on that?
Thanks for any help,
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)

> This is G o o g l e's cache of
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/3150/moseleywills.html
> G o o g l e's cache is the snapshot that we took of the page as we
> crawled the web. The page may have changed since that time....
> To link to or bookmark this page, use the following url:
>
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:WovOZ66qYJsJ:www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/3150/moseleywills.html

Moseley Resource
Wills and Deeds
Sent by William C Daniel

DEEDS OF BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VA:

March 20, 1794 - Isaac Moseley & Selah, his wife, to John Hicks Bass for
32 pounds 52 /2 acres adjoining Eaton's Road, Moseley, Frederick Cook,
Daniel White, Grief Harwell. Witnesses - John Gholson, Harrison Barnes,
Thomas Poythress. (Book 15 - page 529)

November 24, 1795 - Isaac Moseley & Sealey, his wife, to John H. Bass
for 90 pounds 80 1/2 acres in Burnswick adjoining Lewis Hicks, Frederick
Cook, John H. Bass & Nathan Moseley. Witnesses - Asa Holloway, Benj.
Harrison, Christopher Thrower, James Pittillo, J. Nicolson?. (Book 16 -
page 264)

April 18, 1796 - Leavy Moseley to Nathan Fletcher for 5 shillings, 162
acres land in Brunswick whereon Leavy Moseley now lives adjoining Thomas
Moseley, Harrison Barner , Herbert Haynes & James Lynch, "Leavy being
indebted to Asa Holloway for 43 pounds, 16 s, 10 p to secure payment" to
be paid 12-25-1797. Witnesses - Thomas Poythress, Wyatt Ballard, Wm.
Moore. Signed - "Levi" Moseley (Book 16, page 374)		09/22/2003 2:03:21
[Poythress] Re: [Poythress: ] Isabel affect you/yours?Bud, sure glad you and yours are ok and didn't get the brunt of the storm.
We got 38 inches of snow in 24 hours last spring and what a mess, we had. Trees
falling, power outages, mother nature is not always nice.

Take care,
Elaine		09/22/2003 2:06:19
[Poythress: ] Isabel affect you/yours?Barbara P. NealSince we have many of our Poythress List participants from &/or in areas
that were hit so hard by Hurricane Isabel (especially in VA & NC), I am
concerned about all of you & your family members, as I'm sure many
others on our List are, too.

Please: if you can let us on the Poythress-List know how you or your
family in the affected area have made it thru the storm, it would be
great to get an update.

I realize as I write this on Monday 9/22 that power &/or phone lines are
still off for many in that area, but as you get back online & catch up
reading your messages, please take a moment to reassure us.

Thanks, Poythress Cousins!
BPN		09/22/2003 9:01:01
Georgia Census Part 1Poythress In The Census
Page 1

Georgia

See the Introduction to this Project, for abbreviations used!!!!

1820
Elbert County

Porthro, James - pg. 168, 1 M under 10, 1 M 10-15, 1 M 16-18, 2 M 16-25, 1 M
45+
4 F under 10, 1 F 10-15, 1 F 16-25, 1 F 26-44
5 M slaves under 14, 3 M slaves 14-25, 2 M
slaves 26-44,
1 M slave 45+, 4 F slaves under 14, 1 F slave
14-25, 2 F slaves 26-44,
1 F slave 45+

Laurens County

Pogtress, George - pg.15, 1 M 16-25, 1 M 45+, 1 F under 10
2 M slaves under 14, 2 M slaves14-25, 7 M
slaves 26-44,
3 F slaves under 14, 1 F slaves 14-25, 3 F
slaves 26-44

Screven County

Poythress, Meredy - pg. 250, 3 M under 10, 1 M 16-25, 1 M 45+, 1 F 10-15, 1 F
26-44
1 M slave 14-25

?Poythrer, James - pg. 254, 1 M under 10, 1 M 26-44, 3 F under 10, 1 F 26-44
1 F slave under 14, 1 F slave 14-25

Poythress, William - pg. 259, 2 M 16-25, 1 M 45+, 1 F under 10, 1 F 16-25, 1
F 45+


1830
Burke County

Poythress, John C. - pg. 150, 1 M 30-39, 1 F 20-29, 1 F 30-39
9 M slaves under 10, 4 M slaves 10-23, 5
M slaves 24-35,
4 M slaves 36-44, 2 M slaves 55-99, ?Me F
slaves under 10,
8 F slaves 10-23, 4 F slaves 24-35





1830 cont.
Page 2

Elbert County

Porthro, Zelpha - pg. 129, 1 M 15-19, 4 F 10-14, 1 F 20-29,
4 M slaves under 10, 3 M slaves 10-23, 1 M
slave 20-25,
2 M slaves 36-54, 6 F slaves under 10, 3 F
slaves 10-23,
1 F slave 24-35, 2 F slaves 36-54, 1 F slave
55-99

Porthro, William - pg. 129, 3 M under 5, 1 M 20-29, 1 F 20-29, 1 M slave
10-23

Porthro, George - pg. 129, 2 M under 5, 1 M 30-39, 1 F under 5, 1 F 5-9, 1 F
20-29,
2 M slaves under 10, 3 M slaves 10-23, 1 F
slave under 10,
1 F slave 10-23

Screven County

Porthess, Meredith - pg. 306, 1 M under 5, 1 M 5-9, 1 M 10-14, 1 M 15-19, 1 M
60-69,
1 F 20-29

Porthess, Tabitha - pg. 309, 1 M 50-59, 1 F under 5, 2 F 15-19, 1 F 20-29, 1
F 40-49,
1 F 50-59

Talbot County

Portis, James P. - pg. 322, 2 M under 5, 2 M 5-9, 1 M 15-19, 1 M 20-29, 1 M
30-39,
2 F 20-29, 1 slave M under 10, 1 M slave
10-23, 2 M slaves 55-99


Troup County

Poythress, Joseph - pg. 35, 2 M under 5, 1 M 10-14, 1 M 20-29, 1 M 40-49, 1 F
under 5
1 F 5-9, 1 F 30-39, 3 M slaves under 10, 3
M slaves 10-23,
5 M slaves 20-35, 2 F slaves under 10, 1 F
slave 10-23,
3 F slaves 24-35

1840
Burke County

Poythress, John C. - pg.147, 1 M 40-49, 1 F 30-39
12 M slaves under 10, 2 M slaves 10-23, 15
M slaves 24-34,
5 M slaves 36-54, 3 M slaves 56-99, 15 F
slaves under 10,
10 F slaves 10-23, 8 F slaves 24-34, 4 F
slaves 36-54,
5 F slaves 56-99


1840 Cont.
Page 3

Screven County

Poythress, Meridith - pg.91, 1 M under 5, 1 M 5-9, 1 M 40-49, 1 F under 5, 1
F 5-9,
1 F 40-49

Taliaferro County

Portred, Dempsy - 2 M under 5, 2 M 15-19, 1 M 50-59, 1 F 5-9, 2 F 10-14, 1 F
30-39

Troup County

Poythress, Joseph - pg. 344, 1 M under 5, 2 M 10-14, 1 M 20-29, 1 M 40-49, 1
M 50-59
1 F under 5, 1 F 5-9, 1 F 40-49, 1 M slave
under 10,
3 M slaves 10-23, 2 F slaves under 10, 2 F
slaves 10-23,
1 F slave 24-34

1850
Bibb County

HH 108 - 520 N. Div., page 209, 26 Sept.
Pordes, John L., age 24, male, farmer, born GA
, Mary, age 21, female, born GA
, Elizabeth, age 1, female, born GA
Willeby, William, age 32, male, laborer, born GA


HH 109 - 520 N. Div., page 209-210, 26 Sept.
Pordes, William, age 70, male, farmer, real estate $300, born NC
, Elizabeth, age 60, female, born NC
, Catherine, age 25, female, born GA
, Sarah A., age 15, female, born GA
, G.A., age 12, female, born GA
, Martha, age 9, female, born GA
, James, age 6, male, born GA
, Julia A., age 2, female, born GA
Messer, Sarah, age 25, female, born GA
Vance, James, age 30 male, born GA






1850 Cont.
Page 4

Burke County

HH 15 - Waynesboro Twp., page 271, 21 June
Poythress, John C., age 52, male, planter, real est. $30,000, born GA
Mandell, George A., age 22, male, agent with R.R., born FL
, Mary E., age 22, female, born GA
, John P., age 4, male, born GA
, Ann E., age 2, female, born GA

Screven County

(The entire 1850 Screven County census is out of order, on the microfilm. The
page numbers run correctly but the households do not run in order. If you
view this census year, you will have to search for the correct next page.
Example: Meredith Poythress is HH 544 at the bottom of page 69. On page 70 it has a
Josephine Smith who looks like she should be part of Meredith's HH but the HH
directly below her name is HH 512, thus way out of order. The next HH should be
HH 545. That is how Ruthy was previously recorded as being in the HH of an
Elizabeth Best, when in fact she should not have been. The HH directly after
Ruthy on page 75 is HH 545, so she is actually living in the HH of her parents
Meredith and Susan Maner Poythress. This genealogical nightmare, will only
matter if the person you are searching, starts at the bottom of a page and
continues at the top of another page. I chose to use the handwritten page number
because it makes it easier to locate these Poythresses. )

HH 297 - 74th Dist., page 42, 10 Sept.
Poythress, Isaac, age 22, male, farmer, real est. $700, born SC, married
within the year
, Mary, age 20, female, born SC, married within the year,
can't read or write

HH 298 - 74th Dist., page 42, 10 Sept.
Poythress, Hester, age 55, female, farmeress, real est. $800, born SC, can't
read or write
, William, age 18, male, farmer, born SC
, Mary A., age 14, female, born GA
, Lucy M., age 9, female, born GA
, Jane, age 5, female, born GA

HH 406 - 74th Dist., page 53, 20 Sept.
Poythress, John, age 26, male, farmer real est. $200, born GA
, Marian, age 28, female, born GA
, Mary, age 6, female, born GA
, Sarah, age 4, female, born GA
, William, age 2, male, born GA		09/22/2003 10:26:23
Georgia Census Part 21850 Screven County Cont.
Page 5

HH 544 - 74th Dist., page 69 & 75, 27 Sept.
Poythres, Merideth, age 60, male, farmer, real est. $500, born GA
, Susan, age 50, female, born GA
, Mary, age 21, female, born GA
, Susan, age 18, female, born GA
, John, age 15, male, born GA
, Daniel, age 12, male, born GA
, Ruthy, age 10, female, born GA

Troup County

HH 71 - LaGrange Twp., page 119, 30 Aug.
Poythress, Joseph, age 62, male, planter, real est. $18,000, born GA
, Mary, age 52, female, born GA
, William B., age 30, male, born GA
, ?Russell K., age 25, male, born GA
, Sarah E., age 22, female, born GA
, Francis R., age 18, male, student, born GA
Dewberry John, age 43, male, born GA
Combs, William, age 35, male, overseer, born GA

1860
Burke County

HH 299 - Waynesboro Twp., page 908, 27 June
Poythress, John C., age 62, male, planter, real est. $14,000, per. est.
$45,000, born GA
Mandell, Mary E., age 48, female, born GA
, Ann E., age 11, female, born GA, attended school

Screven County

HH 141 - 36th Dist., page 81, 13 June
Poythress, John, age 33, male, farmer, real est. $500, per. est. $150, born
GA
, Mary, age 33, female, born GA
, Mary H., age 17, female, born GA
, Sarah E., age 12, female, born GA
, William H., age 8, male, born GA
, John H., age 7, male, born GA
, Henrietta, age 4, female, born GA
, Viola, age 3, female, born GA
, Charles M., age 9/12, male, born GA



1860 Screven County Cont.
Page 6

HH 147 - 36th Dist., page 81, 13 June
Poythress, William E., age 27, male, farm laborer, born GA
, Martha J., age 19, female, born GA
, Sarah J., age 1, female, born GA

HH 519 - 34th Dist., page 138, 6 July
Poythress, J. M., age 37, male, farmer, real est. $5000, per est. $500, born
GA
, R., age 30, female, born GA
, Alice, age 5, female, born GA
Gross, R., age 29, female, domestic, born GA
, Amy, age 30, female, domestic, born GA

HH 531 - 34th Dist., page 140, 6 July
Brannen, B. H., age 40, male, farmer, real est. $10,000, per. est. $16,000,
born GA
, E.D., age 28, female, born SC
, Ralph, age 10, male, born GA
, Pauline E., age 8, female, born GA
, B. H., age 6, male, born GA
, Sarah E., age 2, female, born GA
Poythress, M., age 60, male, farm laborer, born GA

Troup County

HH 324 - Pool Mills Twp., page 220, 11 June
Poythress, R. K., age 37, male, (blank), real est. $2,000, per. est. $25,000,
born GA
, S. A., age 30, female, born England
, C. E., age 8, male, born GA
, Henry, age 6, male, born GA
, Kate, age 4, female, born GA
, Joseph, age 1, male, born GA

HH 925 - Of Dave Ware, LaGrange Twp., page 310, 10 July
Poythress, S. J., age 34, female, born GA, Idiot

HH 1044 - LaGrange Twp., page 325, 14 July
Poythress, C. E., age 24, female, farmer, real est. $17,000, per. est.
$60,000, born GA
, M. L., age 5, female, born GA
Ware, A. C., age 30, male, M.D., real est. $7000, per. est. $8000, born GA
, E., age 26, male, clerk, born GA
Crawford, James, age 27, male, druggist, per. est. $4000, born NC
, Mary, age 22, female, born AL



1870
Page 7
Burke County

HH 85 - Waynesboro PO, page 254, 11 Nov.
Poythress, G., age 50, male, black, farmer, born GA, cannot read or write
, Elsey, age 50, female, black, born GA, cannot read or
write
, Harriet, age 18, female, black, born GA, cannot read or
write
, Julia, age 16, female, black, born GA, cannot read or
write

HH 96 - Waynesboro PO, page 291, 25, Jan.
Poytress, Philip, age 55, male, black, farm laborer, born GA, cannot read or
write
, Isabel, age 30, female, black, farm laborer, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Fanny, age 15, female, black, born GA, cannot read or write

Heard County

HH 21 - of Wm. Ringer, Franklin PO, page 306, 11 June
Poythress, Smith, age 6, male, black, born GA

HH 382 - of Jack Ferrell, Franklin PO, page 385, 29 June
Poythress, Sam L., age 28, male, black, farm laborer, born GA, cannot read or
write

Screven County

HH 639 - Halcyondale PO, page 303, 22 Aug.
Poythess, William, age 39, male, white, farm laborer, value per. est. $200,
born GA
, Martha, age 28, female, white, born GA
, Idella, age 12, female, white, born GA, attends school
, Boston, age 10, male, white, born GA, attends school, cannot
read or write
, William, age 8, male, white, born GA,
, Warren, age 6, male, white, born GA
, Robert, age 4, male, white, born GA

HH 705 - Halcyondale PO, page 307, 25, Aug.
Poythess, John, age 49, male, white, farmer, real est. $500, per. est. $200,
born GA,
cannot read or write
, Maryan, age 47, female, white, born GA, cannot read or
write
, William, age 19, male, white, farm laborer, born GA,
attends school
, Henrietta, age 13, female, white, born GA, cannot read or
write
, Viola, age 11, female, white, born GA
, Charles, age 8, male, white, born GA
, Lee, age 7, male, white, born GA



1870 Screven County Cont.
Page 8

HH 875 - Halcyondale PO, page 318, 30 Aug.
Poythess, Daniel, age 30, male, white, farmer, real est. $100, per. est.
$200, born GA
, Laura, age 24, female, white, born GA
, Hattie, age 9/12, female, white, born GA, born in Jan.
Lester, Allen, age 22, male, white, farm laborer, born GA

HH 879 - Halcyondale PO, page 318, 30 Aug.
Poythress, Susan, age 64, female, white, real est. $100, per. est. $200, born
GA,
, Mary, age 35, female, white, born GA
, Ruby, age 24, female, white, born GA

HH 883 - Halcyondale PO, page 318, 30 Aug.
Poythess, Rhody, age 40, female, white, born GA
, Allice, age 15, female, white, born GA, attends school
, Eda, age 10, female, white, born GA
, William, age 7, male, white, born GA
, Cullen, age 4, male, white, born GA
Gross, Ann, age 36, female, white, born GA

Troup County

HH 910 - Antioch PO, page 376, 28 June
Poythress, ?Creasy, age 50, female, black, cook, born GA, cannot read or
write
, Manda, age 9, female, black, born GA

HH 926 - Antioch PO, page 376, 28 June
Poythress, Sam, age 20, male, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot read or write
, Suky, age 25, female, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, James, age 4, male, black, born GA
, Susan, age 2, female, black, born GA

HH 948 - of Martha Lee, Antioch PO, page 378, 29 June
Poythress, Emily, age 13, female, black, cook, born GA, cannot read or write

HH 949 - Antioch PO, page 378, 29 June
Poythress, Harriette, age 22, female, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot read
or write

HH 961 - Antioch PO, page 378, 29 June
Poythress, Simon, age 35, male, black, farm hand, per. est. $205, born GA,
cannot read or write
, Cinda, age 27, female, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Belle, age 14, female, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write		09/22/2003 10:27:20
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Page 9

HH 962 - Antioch PO, page 378, 29 June
Poythress, Judge, age 55, male, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot read or
write
, Barley, age 55 female, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Ellen, age 17, female, black, cook, born GA, cannot read
or write

HH 325 - Hogansville PO, page 346, 16 June
Poythress, (Blank), age 61, male, black, farm hand, born MD, cannot read or
write
, Martha, age 33, female, black, farm hand, born VA
, Henry, age 14, male, black, farm hand, born GA
, Andrew, age 12, male, black, farm hand, born TN
, Mary, age 7, female, black, born TN
, Washington, age 3, male, black, born GA
, Joseph, age 1, male, black, born GA

HH 333 - of O.C. Cleveland, Hogansville PO, page 346, 16 June
Poythress, Rosie, age 7, female, black, born TN


HH 105 - LaGrange Twp., page 226, 2 June
Poythress, R.R., age 47, male, white, farmer, born GA
, L.A., age 38, female, white, music teacher, born England,
father and mother
foreign born
, C.E., age 17, male, white, born GA, mother foreign born,
attends school
, H.E., age 14, male, white, born GA, mother foreign born,
attends school
, Kate, age 12, female, white, born GA, mother foreign born,
attends school
, Jas., age 11, male, white, born GA, mother foreign born,
attends school

HH 109 - of C.E.Gay, LaGrange Twp., page 227, 1 June
Poythress, M.L. age 13, female, white, born GA, attends school

HH 238 - LaGrange Twp., page 233, 11 June
Poythress, Carrie, age 45, female, black, seamstress, cannot read or write
, Jos., age 16, male, black, day work, born GA, cannot read
or write

HH 280 - LaGrange Twp., page 236, 4 June
Poythress, Henry, age 47, male, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot read or
write
, Lizzie, age 29, female, black, wash & I., born GA, cannot
read or write
, M.J., age 12, female, black, born GA, attends school
, Carrie, age 8, female, black, born GA
, Jennie, age 6, female, black, born GA
, William, age 4, male, black, born GA
, Fred, age 3,male, black, born GA



1870 Troup County Cont.
Page 10

HH 367 - LaGrange Twp., page 241, 7 June
Poythress, Hamp, age 60, male, black, gardener, born GA, cannot read or write
, Mary, age 56, female, mul., cook, born VA, cannot read or
write
, Burke, age 40, male, black, carpenter, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Lucy, age 30, female, mul., seamstress, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Sell, age 18, male, black, born GA, attends school
, Charlotte, age 15, female, black, born GA, attends school

HH 44 - LaGrange P.O, page 330, 8 June
Poythress, Richard, age 50, male, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot read or
write
, Isabella, age 38, female, black, farm hand, born VA,
cannot read or write
, Robert, age 19, male, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Mary, age 17, female, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Sirus, age 15, male, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Nancy, age 13, female, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Belle, age 11, female, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Sherman, age 9, male, born GA
, Dick, age 7, male, born GA

HH 65 - LaGrange PO, page 332, 9 June
Poythress, Step, age 36, male, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot read or
write
, Antony, age 11, male, black, born GA, cannot read or write
, ?Dawt, age 6, female, black, born GA
, Tho., age 3, male, black, born GA

HH 99 - LaGrange PO, page 333, 9 June
Poythress, Miles, age 37, male, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot read or
write

HH 354 - LaGrange PO, page 354, 20 June
Poythress, Louisa, age 23, female, black, cook, born GA, cannot read or write
, Fuller, age 5, male, black, born GA
, Alexander, age 3, male, black, born GA
, Susan, age 1, female, black, born GA

HH 496 - LaGrange PO, page 354, 20 June
Poythress, Beverly, age 49, male, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot read or
write
, George, age 25, male, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Leanna, age 25, female, black, farm hand, born GA
, Rose A., age 10, female, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Solomon, age 6, male, black, born GA



1870 Troup County Cont.
Page 11

HH 518 - LaGrange PO, page 355, 20 June
Poythress, W.B., age 49, male, white, farmer, born GA

HH 519 - LaGrange PO, page 355, 20 June
Poythress, Dina, age 40, female, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot read or
write
, Judy, age 20, female, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Rena, age 18, female, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Leanna, age 16, female, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, George, age 14, male, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Rose, age 12, female, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Solomon, age 10, male, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Jack, age 8, male, black, farm hand, born GA
, Samual, age 6, male, black, farm hand, born GA

HH 532 - LaGrange PO, page 356, 20 June
Poythress, Anthony, age 39, male, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot read or
write
, Francis, age 27, female, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, James, age 18, male, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Ann, age 13, female, black, farm hand, born GA, cannot
read or write

HH 77 - Mountville Twp., page 270, 4 Aug
Poythress, Arteo, age 27, male, black, farm laborer, born GA
, Araminda, age 26, female, mul., domestic servant, born GA,

cannot read or write
, Joe anna, age 10, female, mul., born GA, cannot read or
write

HH 92 - Mountville Twp., page 271, 4 Aug.
Poythress, Jacob, age 48, male, black, farm laborer, born GA, cannot read or
write
, Mira, age 40, female, black, farm laborer, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Mary, age 16, female, mul., farm laborer, born GA
, Marenda, age 12, female, mul., farm laborer, born GA,
cannot read or write
, Lona, age 8, female, mul., born GA
, George, age 18, male, black, farm laborer, born GA
, Sulla, age 12, female, black, farm laborer, born GA,
attends school,
cannot write
, William, age 10, male, black, born GA, cannot read or
write
, ?Luta, age 6, female, black, born GA







1870 Troup County Cont.
Page 12

HH 100 - Mountville Twp., page 272, 4 Aug.
Poythress, Richard, age 50, male, black, farm laborer, born GA, cannot read
or write
, Isabella, age 39, female, black, born VA, cannot read or
write
, Robert, age 18, male, black, farm laborer, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Mary, age 14, female, black, farm laborer, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Joseph, age 12, male, black, farm laborer, born GA, cannot
read or write
, Nancy, age 9, female, black, born GA
, Buell, age 7, male, black, born GA
, Sherman, age 5, male, black, born GA
, Richard, age 2, male, black, born GA

HH 121 - Mountville Twp., page 273, 5 Aug.
Poythress, James, age 42, male, black, farm laborer, born GA, cannot read or
write
, Julia, age 38, female, black, farm laborer, born GA,
cannot read or write
Rayland, James, age 16, male, mul., farm laborer, born GA, cannot read or
write

HH 164 - of Thomas Lovejoy, Mountville Twp., page 275, 6 Aug.
Poythress, Lucius, age 14, male, black, farm laborer, born GA, cannot read or
write

HH 699 - Oneal's Twp., page 286, 16 Aug.
Poythress, Moses, age 61, male, black, farm laborer, born GA, cannot read or
write
, Susan, age 53, female, black, farm laborer, born GA,
cannot read or write
Ridley, Ola, age 20, female, black, farm laborer, born GA, cannot read or
write
Coleman, Frances, age 19, female, black, farm laborer, born GA, cannot read
or write

1880
Burke County

HH 95 - of William Sturges, Waynesboro Twp., ED 5, page 57B, 3 June
Poytress, ?Tudor, black, female, age 40, servant, married, cook, cannot read
or write,
GA,GA,GA
, Henry, black, male, age 10, servant, house servant, cannot
read or write,
GA,GA,GA
, ?Alec, black, male, age 12, son, cannot write, GA,GA,GA
, Affy, black, female, age 4/12, GA,GA,GA

HH 196 - of John Munerlin, Waynesboro Twp., ED 5, page 62C, 9 June
Poythress, Affey, black, female, age 70, servant, widow, house servant,
cannot read or write, GA,GA,GA		09/22/2003 10:28:14
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HH 234 - 61st Dist., ED 4, page 11A, 9 June
Poytrass, Cally, black, female, age 20, works on farm, cannot read or write,
GA,GA,GA


HH 336 - 61st Dist., ED 4, page 16C, 12 June
Portrass, Henry, black, male, age 60, married, farmer, cannot read or write,
VA,VA,VA
, Elisabeth, black, female, age 48, wife married, works on
farm,
cannot read or write, GA,GA,GA
, John, black, male, age 15, son, works on farm, GA,VA,GA

Heard County

HH 89 - of John Jannings, Dist.702, ED 64, page 54D, 9 June
Poythress, Tobi, black, male, age 22, works on farm, cannot read or write,
GA,GA,GA

Screven County

HH 68 - Dist. 34, ED 84, page 161C, 3 June
?Vickrey, Charles, white, male, age 31, married, farmer, cannot read or
write,
GA,GA,SC
, ?Martha A., white, female, age 38, wife, married, GA,GA,GA
, Silas B., white, male, age 6, son, GA,GA,SC
, Efe C., white, female, age 4, daughter, GA,GA,GA
, ?Ides S., white, female, age 1, daughter, GA,GA,GA
Poytress, Mary, white, female, age 49, sister, cannot read or write,
GA,GA,GA


HH 69 - Dist. 34, ED 84, page 161C & 161D, 3 & 5 June
Reddick, Peter A., white, male, age 27, married, farmer, GA,GA,GA
, Allis H., white, female, age 25, married, wife, GA,GA,GA
, Laney L., white, female, age 4, daughter, GA,GA,GA
Poytress, ?Edas, white, female, age 18, sister, GA,GA,GA

HH ?? - Dist. 34, ED 84, page 161D, 5 June
Poytress, Rhody, white, female, age 40, mother, widow, GA,GA,GA
, H.C., white, male, age 12, son, farmer, GA,GA,GA
Gross, A.M., white, female, age 50, sister, farmer, GA,GA,GA
, Kizziah, female, age 48, sister, GA,GA,GA







1880 Screven County Cont.
Page 14

HH 368 - Dist. 34, ED 84, page 184D, 24 June
Poytress, Daniel W., white, male, age 40, married, farmer, GA,GA,GA
, Laura, white, female, age 36, wife, married, GA,GA,GA
, Hattie L., white, female, age 10, daughter, cannot read or
write, GA,GA,GA
, Minny D., white, female, age 7, daughter, GA,GA,GA
, Daniel W., white, male, age 2, son, GA,GA,GA


HH 435 - Dist. 36, ED 86, page 252C, 23 June
Poythress, John, white, male, age 55, widowed, farmer, cannot write, GA,GA,GA
, Viola, white, female, age 22, daughter, work on farm,
GA,GA,GA
, LeAndrew, white, male, age 17, son, cannot write, GA,GA,GA
Flake, Virgin, white, female, age 25, niece, GA,GA,GA
Poythress, R.W., white, male, age 22, nephew, work on farm, GA,GA,SC


HH 533 - of R.C. Falligant, Dist. 259, ED 86, page 257A, 29 June
Poythress, H.N., white, male, age 17, laborer, works on farm, Ga,GA,GA

HH 552 - Dist. 259, ED 86, page 258C, 29 June
Poythress, William E., white, male, age 49, married, ?miller, GA,MD,GA
, Martha J., white, female, age 39, (blank), GA,GA,GA
, Idella, white, female, age 21, daughter, GA,GA,GA
, Thomas B., white, male, age 18, son, GA,GA,GA
, William J., white, male, age 14, son, GA,GA,GA
, John W., white, male, age 12, son, GA,GA,GA
, Robert, white, male, age 10, son, GA,GA,GA
, Gaza H., white, male, age ?1, son, GA,GA,GA

HH 577 - Dist. 259, ED 86, page 259B, 30 June
Poythress, William H., white, male, age 30, married, farmer, GA,GA,GA
, Jane, white, female, age 24, wife, married, GA,GA,GA
, Morgan, white, male, age 7/12, born Oct., daughter,
GA,GA,GA








1880 Troup County Cont.
Page 15

Troup County

HH 136 - Harrisonville, ED 126, page 542D, 9 June
Poythress, Dick, black, male, age 50, married, farmer, cannot read or write,
VA,VA,VA
, Bell, black, female, age 45, wife, married, cannot read or
write, VA,VA,VA
, Joe, black, male, age 22, son, laborer, cannot read or
write, GA,VA,VA
, Buell, black, male, age 20, son, laborer, cannot read or
write, GA,VA,VA
, Nancy, black, female, age 16, daughter, laborer, GA,VA,VA
, Sherman, black, male, age 14, son, laborer, GA,VAVA
, Rich, black, male, age ?11, son, laborer, cannot read or
write, GA,VA,VA
, Mollie, black, female, age 25, (blank), widow/div.,
laborer, cannot read or
write, GA,VA,VA
, Eddie, black, male, age 8, son, GA,VA,VA
, Maria, black, female, age 6, daughter, GA,VA,VA,


HH 138 - Harrisonville, ED 126, page 542D, 9 June
Poythress, Beverly, black, male, age 35, married, at home, cannot read or
write,
GA,GA,GA
, Dink, black, female, age 32, wife, cannot read or write,
GA,GA,GA
, Mary, black, female, age 5, daughter, GA,GA,GA
, Lizzie, black, female, age 3, daughter, GA,GA,GA
, Bell, black, female, age 2/12, born Oct., daughter,
GA,GA,GA


HH 148 - Harrisonville, ED126, page 543A, 9 June
Poythress, Russel, white, male, age 57, widowed, GA,GA,GA
, Charly, white, male, age 26, son, farmer, GA,GA,GA
, William B., white, male, age 61, widowed, (blank),
GA,GA,GA

HH 250 - Hogansville, ED 127, page 570C, 14-15 June (last half of page faded)
Portress, Monk, black, male, age ?30, married, farmer
, Amy, black, female, age 31, married
, Green, black, male, age 19, son, farm hand
, Walter, black, male, age 15, son, work on farm
, Mary, black, female, age 6, daughter
, Liza, black, female, age 3, daughter







1880 Troup County Cont.
Page 16

HH 278 - Hogansville, ED 127, page 571B, 16 June (last half of page faded)
Poytress, George, black, male, age 28, married, farmer
, Lucy, black, female, age 27, wife, married
, Bill, black, male, age 4, son
, Sallie, black, female, age 2, daughter
, ?Babe, black, female, age 6/12, born Dec, daughter

HH 627 - LaGrange, ED 131, page 714B, 21 June
Poythress, ?Meely, black, female, age 22, laborer, cannot read or write,
GA,GA,GA
, Dick, black, male, age 2, son, GA,GA,GA
Bingham, ?Milledge, black, male, age 28, boarder, carpenter, cannot read or
write,
AL,SC, MD

HH 262 - McClendons, ED 126, page 549A, 15 June (last half of page faded)
Poythress, Daniel, black, male, age 52, married, farmer
, Celar, black, female, age 45, wife, married
, Martha A., black, female, age 18, daughter, laborer
, Manda, black, female, age 20, daughter, laborer
, Creesy, black, female, age 16, daughter, laborer
, Joe, black, male, age 14, son
, Mary, black, female, age 10, daughter
, Carrie, black, female, age 8, daughter
, Lucy, black, female, age 5, daughter
, Michul, black, male, age 2, son
Long, Oscar, black, male, age 23, nephew, laborer

HH 284 - of Mary ? Branghton, McClendons, ED 126, page 550C, 16 June
Poythress, John, black, male, age 19, (blank), laborer, cannot read or write,
GA,GA,GA


HH 298 - McClendons, ED 126, page 551A, 17 June
Poythress, George, black, male, age 45, married, laborer, GA,GA,GA
, Leanna, black, female, age 45, wife, married, GA,GA,GA
, Martha, black, female, age 20, daughter, GA,GA,GA
, Charles, black, male, age 18, son, GA,GA,GA		09/22/2003 10:29:46
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Page 17

HH 905 - East Vernon, ED 130, page 681A, 30 June
Portress, Luke, black, male, age 30, married, laborer, cannot read or write,
GA,GA,GA
, Emaline, black, female, age 25, wife, married, laborer,
cannot read or write,
GA,GA,GA
, Nora, black, female, age 16, daughter, laborer, cannot read
or write,
GA,GA,GA
, Dora, black, female, age 13, daughter, laborer, cannot read
or write,
GA,GA,GA
, ?Dick/Dink, black, female, age 6, daughter, GA,GA,GA
, Robert, black, male, age 4, son, GA,GA,GA


1900
Effingham County

HH 218 - 9th Dist., Ed 76, sheet 13A, 15 June
Poythress, William H., white, male, born Dec.1848, age 51, married 21 yrs.,
GA,GA,GA, farmer, rents/farm
, Janie, wife, white, female, born Apr.1862, age 38, married
21 yrs.
GA,GA,GA
, Theodore, son, white, male, born June 1883, age 16,
GA,GA,GA
, Montegue, son, white, male, born Oct. 1887, age 12,
GA,GA,GA,
attends school
, Adison J., son, white, male, born July 1890, age 9,
GA,GA,GA
attends school
, William E., son, white, male, born Apr.1893, age 7,
GA,GA,GA
, Mercedes, daughter, white, female, born July 1895, age 4,
GA,GA,GA
, Claude, son, white, male, born Aug.1897, age 2, GA,GA,GA
















1900 Cont.
Page 18
Screven County

HH 116 - 34th Dist., ED 115, sheet 6B-7A, 12 June
Poythress, (smudged) ? Ham, white, male, born June 1862, age 37, married 20
yrs.,
GA,GA,GA, ?share cropper,
rents/farm
, Rachel, wife, white, female, born Nov.1859, age 40,
married 20 yrs.,
8 children born/7 living, GA,GA,GA
, (smudged)? L(something), daughter, white, female, born May
1880, age 19,
GA,GA,GA,
works on farm
, William, son, white, male, born Jan.1882, age 17,
GA,GA,GA, farm laborer,
attends school
, Effie, daughter, white, female, born Mar.1885, age 15,
GA,GA,GA,
farm laborer, attends school
, ?James, son, white, male, born Feb.1887, age ?12,
GA,GA,GA, farm laborer,
attends school
, Sidney, son, white, male, born ??, age ?, GA,GA,GA,
laborer, attends school
, (smudged) ?, daughter, white, female, born ?Feb. ?, age ?,
GA,GA,GA
, Author, son, white, male, born June 1896, age 3, GA,GA,GA
Flake, Margaret, mother, white, female, born Nov.1824, age 75, widow,
GA,GA,GA,
Retired

HH 244 - 34th Div., ED 116, sheet 13A-13B, 14 June
Poythress, Horrace C., white, male, born Jan.1866, age 34, widowed, married
10 yrs.,
GA,GA,GA, farmer, owns/free/farm
Mercer, Edna A., mother-in-law, white, female, born Feb.1839, age 61,
widowed,
Married 30 years, FL,NC,GA


HH 327 - 34th Dist., ED 116, sheet 17B, 19-20 June
Poythress, Daniel W., white, male, born Feb.1839, age 61, married 34 yrs.,
GA,GA,GA,
farmer, owns/free/farm
, Laura J., wife, white, female, born Apr.1844, age 56,
married 34 yrs.
8 children/3 living, GA,GA,GA
?Sand, Hattie F., daughter, white, female, born Oct.1869, age 30, married
2/12 yrs.,
GA,GA,GA
Poythress, Minnie D., daughter, white, female, born June 1873, age 26,
GA,GA,GA
, Daniel W., son, white, male, born June 1878, age 21,
married 1 yr.,
GA,GA,GA, (something) Mill Laborer
, Lola H., dau-in-law, white, female, born Apr.1876, age 24,
married 1 yr.,
GA,GA,GA
, Rubie M., gr.dau., white, female, born Apr.1900, age 2/12,
GA,GA,GA



1900 Screven County Cont.
Page 19

HH 326 - 36th Dist., ED 118, sheet 18B, 16 June
Poythress, Robert L., white, male, born Jan.1868, age 31, married 11 yrs.,
GA,GA,GA,
farmer, owns/free/farm
, E.?D., wife, white, female, born Sept.1861, age 39,
married 11 yrs.,
GA,GA,GA, 10 children/7 living
Downing, Agnes M., step-dau., white, female, born Oct.1881, age 18, GA,GA,GA
attends school
, Earnest, step-son, white, male, born Feb.1884, age 16,
GA,GA,GA,
farm laborer
, Earl, step-son, white, male, born Aug.1886, age 13,
GA,GA,GA, farm laborer
Poythress, Robert L. Jr., son, white, male, born Aug.1890, age 9, GA,GA,GA,
attends school
, Carl, son, white, male, born Dec.1891, age 8, GA,GA,GA,
attends school
, Wilma, daughter, white, female, born Apr.1894, age 6,
GA,GA,GA,
attends school
,?Lucile, daughter, white, female, born Jan.1896, age 4,
GA,GA,GA
?Anson, Amelia, ward, white, female, born Apr.1872, age 28, GA,GA,GA

HH 360 - 36th Dist., ED 118, sheet 20A, 20 June
Poythress, ?Virgin, white, female, born Feb.1852, age 48, widow, 2 children/2
living,
GA,GA,GA, farmer, cannot read or write,
owns/free/farm
, ?Magnola, daughter, white, female, born Jan.1884, age 16,
GA,GA,GA
, Frank, son, white, male, born Nov.1885, age 14, GA,GA,GA,
cannot read or write, farm laborer


HH 364 - 36th Dist., ED 118, sheet 20B, 21 June
Poythress, William E., white, male, born July 1831, age 68, married 43 yrs.,
GA,GA,GA, farmer, owns/free/farm
, Martha, wife, white, female, born June 1841, age 58,
married 43 years,
11 children/7 living, GA,GA,GA
, James, son, white, male, born Nov.?1884, age 15, GA,GA,GA,
farm laborer
, ?Bess A., daughter, white, female, born Aug.?1886, age 13,
GA,GA,GA
, Gazzie, son, white, male, born Feb.1879, age 21, GA,GA,GA,
farm laborer

HH 393 - 36th Dist., ED 118, sheet 22A, 22 June
Poythress, Thomas B., white, male, born Apr.1862, age 38, married 5 yrs.,
GA,GA,GA,
farmer, rents/farm
, Julia A., wife, white, female, born Feb.1873, age 27,
married 5 yrs.,
2 children/2 living, GA,GA,GA
,?Ralph, son, white, male, born May 1897, age 3, GA,GA,GA
, (no name), daughter, white, female, born May 1900, age
0/12, GA,GA,GA

1900 Cont.
Page 20
Troup County

HH 144 - Harrisonville, ED 64, sheet 8B, 12 June
Poythress, Charles E., white, male, born Sept.1852, age 47, married 20 yrs.,
GA,GA,PA
farmer, owns/ mortgage/ farm
, Martha E., wife, white, female, born Apr.1855, age 45,
married 20 yrs.,
7 children/5 living, GA,GA,GA
, Edward, son, white, male, born June 1881, age 18, GA
,GA,GA, farm laborer
, Charles H., son, white, male, born Dec.1883, age 16,
GA,GA,GA,
attends school
, ?Gover C., son, white, male, born Dec.1885, age 14,
GA,GA,GA,
attends school
, Mattie L., daughter, white, female, born July 1887, age
12, GA,GA,GA,
attends school
Mackdougle, ?Ada G., step-dau., white, female, born July 1875, age 24,
GA,GA,GA


HH 158 - Harrisonville, ED 64, sheet 9B, 13 June
Poythress, Joseph, black, male, born Feb.1860, age 40, married 16 yrs.
GA,VA,VA, farmer, cannot read or write,
rents/farm
, Lizzie, wife, black, female, born July 1867, age 32,
married 16 yrs.
9 children/8 living, GA,GA,VA, farm laborer
, Daisy D., daughter, black, female, born Jan.1886, age 14,
GA,GA,GA,
attends school, cannot write
, Willie, son, black, male, born Nov.1887, age 12, GA,GA,GA,
attends school,
cannot read or write
, Ida L., daughter, black, female, born Nov.1889, age 10,
attends school,
cannot read or write
, Clifford, son, black, male, born Sept.1891, age 8,
GA,GA,GA, attends school
cannot read or write
, Emma, daughter, black, female, born Aug.1893, age 6,
GA,GA,GA
, Wilburn D., son, black, male, born Sept.1895, age 4,
GA,GA,GA
, Milton, son, black, male, born July 1897, age 2, GA,GA,GA
, Laurence, son, black, male, born Apr.1899, age 1, GA,GA,GA

HH 160 - of Charley Newell, Harrisonville, ED 64, sheet 9B, 13 June
Poythress, Lucious, boarder, black, male, born Mar.1880, age 20, GA,GA,GA,
farm laborer

HH 255 - McClendon, ED 64, sheet 15A, 19 June
Poythress, Sarah J., black, female, born Aug.1873, age 26, widow, 5
children/4 living
GA,GA,GA, cannot read or write, rents/farm
, John H., son, black, male, born Jan.1891, age 9, GA,GA,GA,
attends school
, Charley, son, black, male, born Dec.1893, age 6, GA,GA,GA
, Peter, son, black, male, born Dec.1899, age 1, GA,GA,GA		09/22/2003 10:31:29
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HH 256 - McClendon, ED 64, sheet 15A, 19 June
Poythress, John, black, male, born Jan.1862, age 38, married 17 yrs.,
GA,GA,VA
farmer, cannot read or write
, Dilla, wife, black, female, born July 1870, age 29,
married 17 yrs.
10 children/8 living, GA,GA,GA, farm laborer,
cannot read or write
, Jane, daughter, black, female, born Oct.1886, age 13,
GA,GA,GA,
attends school
, Julia, daughter, black, female, born Sept.1889, age 10,
GA,GA,GA
attends school
, Dock, son, black, male, born Sept.1891, age 8, GA,GA,GA,
attends school
, Charley F., son, black, male, born Aug.1892, age 7,
GA,GA,GA
, Pearline, daughter, black, female, born Nov.1894, age 5,
GA,GA,GA
, Kittie, daughter, black, female, born Sept.1896, age 3,
GA,GA,GA
, Cash B., son, black, male, born July 1899, age 10/12,
GA,GA,GA
Battle, Aye B., bro-in-law, black, male, born July 1879, age 20, GA,GA,GA


HH 259 - McClendon, ED 64, sheet 15B, 19-20 June
Poythress, ?Daniel, black, male, born June ?1820, age ?79, married 38 yrs.,
GA,GA,GA
Farmer, ( smudged)
, Seley, wife, black, female, born May 1840, age 60, married
38 yrs.,
8 children/4 living, GA,GA,GA, farm laborer,
cannot read or write
, Carrie, daughter, black, female, born Apr.1875, age 25,
divorced,
7 children/4 living, GA,GA,GA, farm laborer,
cannot write
, Julia, daughter, black, female, born June 1881, age 19,
GA,GA,GA,
farm laborer, cannot read or write
, Bud M., son, black, male, born May 1882, age 18, GA,GA,GA
farm laborer, cannot read or write
, William, son, black, male, born Jan.1884, age 16,
GA,GA,GA,
attends school, cannot read or write
, Viola, gr.dau., black, female, born May 1893, age 7,
GA,GA,GA,
attends school
, Lizzie, gr.dau., black, female, born June 1894, age 5,
GA,GA,GA
, Joe, gr.son, black, male, born July 1895, age 4, GA,GA,GA
, Lucy A., gr.dau., black, female, born July 1896, age 3,
GA,GA,GA
, Minnie, gr.dau., black, female, born Aug.1897, age 2,
GA,GA,GA
, Annie, gr.dau, black, female, born Aug.1898, age 1,
GA,GA,GA
, Short, gr.son, black, male, born Sept.1899, age 8/12,
GA,GA,GA
Johnson, Essie, gr.son, black, male, born June 1900, age ?4.12, GA,GA,GA





1900 Troup County Cont.
Page 22

HH 181 - Hogansville, ED 68, sheet 10A, 18 June
Portress, Walt, black, male, born Apr.1865, age 35, married 4 yrs., GA,GA,GA
Farm laborer, cannot read or write, rents/house
, Josie, wife, black, female, born Nov.1878, married 4 yrs. 3
children/3 living,
GA,GA,GA, farm laborer, cannot read or write
, Maud, daughter, black, female, born Nov.1894, age 6,
GA,GA,GA,
attends school
, Jennie B., daughter, black, female, born May 1896, age 4,
GA,GA,GA
, Eddie B., son, black, male, born Apr.1878, age 2, GA,GA,GA


HH 200 - Hogansville, ED 68, sheet 12B, 14 June
Portress, ?Mick, black, male, born May 1862, age 38, married 12 yrs.,
GA,GA,GA
farm laborer, cannot read or write, rents/house
, Mollie, wife, black, female, born ? 1858, age 42, married 12
yrs.,
9 children/7 living, GA,GA,GA, farm laborer,
cannot read or write
, Eunice, daughter, black, female, born ? 1883, age 17,
GA,GA,GA
farm laborer, attends school, cannot read or
write
, Arsaulia, daughter, black, female, born Jan.1886, age 14,
GA,GA,GA
attends school, cannot read or write
, ?Measie, daughter, black, female, born Sept.1889, age 10,
GA,GA,GA
attends school, cannot read or write
, Travis, son, black, male, born May 1893, age 7, GA,GA,GA,
attends school
, Mattie L., daughter, black, female, born July 1896, age 3,
GA,GA,GA

HH 249 - Hogansville, ED 68, sheet 13A, 14 June
Portress, George, black, male, born May ?, age ?, married 32 yrs. GA,GA,GA,
farm laborer, (smudged), rents/house
, Lucy, wife, black, female, born Nov. ?, age ?, married 32
yrs., GA,GA,GA
10 children/8 living, GA,GA,GA, farm laborer
, Carrie, daughter, black, female, born May ?, age ?, 2
children/2 living,
GA,GA,GA, farm laborer
, Jessie, son, black, male, born Nov. ?, age ?, GA,GA,GA, farm
laborer
, Bess, daughter, black, female, born May ?, age ?, GA,GA,GA,
farm laborer
, ? A(something), daughter,black, female, born Nov.?, age ?,
GA,GA,GA,
farm laborer
, Charlie, son, black, male, born Mar.?, age ?, GA,GA,GA, farm
laborer
, Jack, nepher, black, male, born May?, age ?, GA,GA,GA






1900 Troup County Cont.
Page 23

HH 418 - Hogansville, ED 68, sheet 20B, 22 June
Portress, ?Sherman, black, male, born June 1865, age 34, married 10 yrs.
GA,GA,GA
hotel porter, cannot read or write,
rents/house
, Nancy, wife, black, female, born Apr.1866, age 34, married
10 yrs.
6 children/3 living, GA,GA,GA, wash woman,
cannot read or write
, Mattie, daughter, black, female, born Feb.1887, GA,GA,GA,
wash woman,
attends school, cannot read or write
, D.O., son, black, male, born Dec.1891, GA,GA,GA, attends
school
, Carrie B., daughter, black, female, born Oct.1895, age 5,
GA,GA,GA


1910
Effingham

HH 142 - 9th Dist., ED 88, sheet 8A, 14 May
Poythress, William H., male, white, age 62, married 32 yrs., GA,GA,GA
farmer/gen.farm, own account,
owns/free/farm
, Jane, wife, female, white, age 47, married 32 yrs.,
GA,GA,GA
, Montigue, son, male, white, age 22, GA,GA,GA,
carpenter/house, wage
, Addison, son, male, white, age 19, GA,GA,GA,
carpenter/railroad bridge,
wage
, Eugene, son, male, white, age 17, GA,GA,GA, farm laborer,
wage,
attends school
, ?Mattie M., daughter, female, white, age 14, GA,GA,GA,
attends school
, Fulton, son, male, white, age 10, GA,GA,GA, attends school
, ?Vira P., daughter, female, white, age 7, GA,GA,GA,
attends school


HH 143 - 9th Dist., ED 88, sheet 8A, 14 May
Poythress, Theodore H., male, white, age 26, married 3 yrs., GA,GA,GA,
farmer/gen.farm, own account,
rents/farm
, Bertha M., wife, female, white, age 18, married 3 yrs.,
SC,SC,SC

HH 178 - of Andrew & Maggie Hinsly, ED 88, sheet 9B, 17-18 May
Poythress, Eugene, brother-in-law, male, white, age 17, GA,GA,GA, farm
laborer,
wage, attends school






1910 Cont.
Page 24

Screven County

HH 428 - 34th Dist., ED 129, sheet 29A, 5 May
Poythress, D.W., male, white, age 70, married 38 yrs., GA,GA,GA,
farmer, own account, owns/free/farm
, Minnie, daughter/wife (written above), female, white, age
66,
married 38 yrs., GA,GA,GA
, Mrs. D.W. Jr., daughter, female, white, age 35, widow,
2 children/2 living,GA,GA,GA
, Laura, wife, female, white, age 35, GA,GA,GA
, Ruby, gr.daughter, female, white, age 10, GA,GA,GA
, Norma, daughter, female, white, age 6, GA,GA,GA


(Per Maynard-This is the Horace C. Poythress HH. Some names and relationships
are wrong.)
HH 545 - 34th Dist., ED 129, sheet 30A, 5 May
Poythress, ?James, male, white, age 40, married 13 yrs., GA,GA,GA,
farmer, own account, owns/free/farm
, Sue H., wife, female, white, age 38, married 13 yrs., 8
children/8 living,
GA,GA,GA
, Flossie, daughter, female, white, age 12, GA,GA,GA
, Hellen, daughter, female, white, age 10, GA,GA,GA
, Eva, daughter, female, white, age 9, GA,GA,GA
, ?Tick Pie, daughter, female, white, age 7, GA,GA,GA
, H.C., son, male, white, age 6, GA,GA,GA
, Etta, daughter, female, white, age 4, GA,GA,GA
, John, son, male, white, age 4, GA,GA,GA
, James, son, male, white, age 1, GA,GA,GA


HH 85 - 1676th Dist., ED 139, sheet 5B, 20 Apr.
Poythress, Thomas B., male, white, age 49, married 15 yrs., GA,GA,GA
farmer/gen.farm, emp., rents/farm
, Julia E., wife, female, white, age 35, married 15 yrs., 6
children/4 living
GA,GA,GA
, Ralph, son, male, white, age 12, GA,GA,GA, attends school
, Thelma, daughter, female, white, age 10, GA,GA,GA, attends
school
, Eva M., daughter, female, white, age 3, GA,GA,GA
, ?Walter R., son, male, white, age 1, GA,GA,GA		09/22/2003 10:33:48
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HH 196 - 1676th Dist., ED 139, sheet 11A, 3 May
Poythress, Virgin, female, white, age 58, widow, GA,GA,GA, farmer/gen.farm,
emp., owns/free/farm
, Frank, son, male, white, age 22, married 2/12, GA,GA,GA,
labor/farm, wage
, Julia, daughter, female, white, age 21, married 2/12,
GA,GA,GA
Pitts, Thomas, ?son, male, white, age 19, GA,GA,GA, laborer/farm, wage
Poythress, ?Leo, ?gr.son, male, white, age 4, GA,GA,GA


Troup County


HH 67 - Hogansville, ED 140, sheet 4A, 19 Apr.
Poythress, Sam, male, black, age 60, married 35 yrs., GA,VA,GA,
operator/farm, emp.
cannot read or write, rents/farm
, Susan, wife, female, black, age 70, married 35 yrs., 2
children/2 living,
GA,GA,GA, cannot read or write
Robertson, Matilda, daughter, female, black, age 35, divorced, GA,GA,GA,
laborer/farm, wage, cannot read or write
Jones, Eva, gr.daughter, female, black, age 12, GA,GA,GA, laborer/farm, wage,

cannot read or write


HH 192 - ED 140, sheet 4B & 5A, 27 Apr.
Poythress, Mike, male, black, age ?47, married 20 yrs., GA,GA,GA,
operator/farm, emp.
rents farm
, Mollie, wife, female, mul., age 50, married 20 yrs., 9
children/7 living,
GA,GA,GA, laborer/farm, wage, cannot read or
write
, Grover C., son, male, mul., age 13, GA,GA,GA,
laborer/farm, wage
, Mattie L., daughter, female, mul., age 13, laborer/farm,
wage


HH 214 - Hogansville, ED 140, sheet 11A, 2 May
Poythress, Walter, male, black, married 15 yrs., GA,GA,GA, laborer/farm,
wage,
cannot read or write, rents/house
, Jane, wife, female, mul., age 30, married 15 yrs., 4
children/4 living,
GA,GA,GA, laborer/farm, wage, cannot read or
write
, Maud, daughter, female, mul., age 14, married 1 yr.,
GA,GA,GA
cannot read or write, attends school
, ?Jennie, daughter, female, mul., age 13, GA,GA,GA,
laborer/farm, wage
attends school
, Eddie, son, male, mul., age 11, GA,GA,GA, attends school
, Rhodie, daughter, female, mul., age 7, GA,GA,GA, attends
school

1910 Troup County Cont.
Page 26

HH 40 - LaGrange, ED 130, sheet 2B, 19-20 Apr.
Poytress, A.S., male, black, age 65, widowed, AL,US,VA, farmer/gen.farm,
own account, rents/farm


HH 173 - LaGrange, ED 132, sheet 8B, 21-22 Apr.
Poythress, Jim, male, black, age ?49, married 2 yrs., GA,GA,GA,
fireman/cotton mill,
wage, cannot write, rents/house
, Mary, wife, female, black, age 42, married 2 yrs., 7
children/4 living,
GA,GA,VA, laundress/home, own account, cannot
write
Battle, Frances, daughter, female, black, age 21, GA,GA,GA, laundress/home,
own account
, ?Langram, son, male, black, age 17, GA,GA,GA, ?wagonman/grocery
store,
wage
, John C., son, male, black, age 16, GA,GA,GA, laborer/city, wage
, Lucy, daughter, female, black, age 9, GA,GA,GA, attends school
, Edward, gr.son, male, black, age 6, GA,GA,GA, attends school


HH 260 - LaGrange, ED 132, sheet 23A, 11 May
Portress, Edward T., male, white, age 28, married 3 yrs., GA,GA,GA,
agent/life insurance, wage, rents/house
, Eunice A., female, wife, white, age 21, married 3 yrs.,
GA,GA,GA
, Joseph H., son, male, white, age 2, GA,GA,GA


HH 133 - LaGrange, ED 133, sheet 7A, (blank) May
Poythress, Charlie, male, black, age 50, married ?11 yrs., GA,GA,GA,
laborer/cotton mill, wage, rents/house
, Mary F., wife, female, black, age 39, married ?11yrs, 2
children/2 living,
GA,GA,GA, laundress/home, own account,
cannot read or write
Wilburn, Charlie, son, male, black, age 13, GA,GA,GA, attends school
Newton, Robert, uncle, male, black, age 60, widowed, GA,VA,VA, cannot read or
write











1920
Page 27
Baldwin County

GA State Sanitarium - ED 9, Sheet 18A, 12 Jan.
Poythress, Mattie, inmate, female, white, age 32, GA,US,US

GA State Sanitarium - ED 9, sheet 29B, 17 Jan.
Poythress, Grover C., inmate, male, white, age 34, GA,US,US

GA State Sanitarium
Poythress D.W., inmate, male, white, age 49, married, GA,US,US

Bibb County

South GA Orphanage Home - ED 39, sheet 8B, 13 Jan.
Poistress, Trudie, inmate, female, white, age 10, GA,GA,GA

Chatham County

HH 59 - Savannah, ED 58, sheet 4B, 5 Jan.
Paythress, Fulton W., rents, male, white, age 21, married, GA,GA,GA,
machinist/ship yard, wage
, Pattie, wife, female, white, age 22, married, GA,GA,GA

HH 165 - Savannah, ED 58, sheet 10B, 8 Jan.
Poythress, James F., rents, male, white, age 34, married, cannot read or
write,
GA,GA,GA, laborer/match factory, wage
, Hettie C., wife, female, white, age 24, married, GA,GA,NC
, Cora L., daughter, female, white, age 3 8/12, GA,GA,GA

HH 153 - Savannah, ED 67, sheet 8B, 12 Jan.
Poythress, Montague, rents, male, white, age 31, married, GA,GA,GA
carpenter/own business, own account
, Mattie, wife, female, white, age 39, married, SC,SC,SC
Strange, Nell, step-dau, female, white, age 13, attends school, SC,SC,SC
Poythress, Matthew, son, male, white, age 1 5/12, GA,SC,SC
, ?Altha, daughter, female, white, age 4 5/12, GA,GA,GA

HH 196 - Savannah, ED 68, sheet 11A, 17-19 Jan.
Poythress, John A., rents, male, white, age 28, married, GA,GA,GA
carpenter/house, wage
, Mary E., wife, female, white, age 49, married, GA,GA,GA
Zipperer, Gordan, step-son, male, white, age 28, married, GA,GA,GA
clerk/rail road, wage


1920 John A. Poythress, Chatham County Cont.
Page 28

, Louise, dau-in-law, female, white, age 19, married, GA,GA,GA
stenographer/insurance, wage
, Willie Lee, step-dau., female, white, age 25, GA,GA,GA,
clerk/paintings,
wage
, William P., step-son, male, white, age 21, GA,GA,GA,
clerk/rail road,
wage

HH 319 - Savannah, ED 78, sheet 17B, 15 Jan.
Poytheress, John W., rents, male, white, age 53, married, GA,GA,GA,
manager/grain co., wage
, Louise A., wife, female, white, age 49, married,
GA,GA,GA

HH 97 - Savannah, ED 89, sheet 5A, 6 Jan.
Poythress, Warren, owns/free, male, white, age 24, married, GA,GA,GA
merchant/feed store, own account
, Odessa, wife, female, white, age 22, married, GA,GA,GA
, Warren Jr., son, male, white, age 3 2/12, GA,GA,GA
, Odessa, daughter, female, white, age 2 2/12, GA,GA,GA

HH 7 - 8th Dist., ED 101, sheet 1A, 24 Feb.
Poythress, William J., rents, male, white, age 53, married, GA,GA,GA
ret. Merchant/Groceries, own account
, Virginia, wife, female, white, age ?49, SC,SC,SC

Effingham County

HH 252 - 9th Dist., ED 102, sheet 13B, 3 Feb.
Poythress, William H., owns/free, male, white, age 71, married, GA,GA,GA
farmer/gen.farm, own account
, Jane, wife, female, white, age 57, married, GA,England,GA
Curtis, Chester, gr.son, male, white, age 5, GA,GA,GA
, Alva, gr.son, male, white, age 4, GA,GA,GA

HH 253 - 9th Dist., ED 102, sheet 13B, 3 Feb.
Poythress, Theodore H., rents, male, white, age 36, married, GA,GA,GA
farmer/gen.farm, wage
, Bertha M., wife, female, white, age 28, married, SC,SC,SC
, Milton, son, male, white, age 8, attends school, GA,GA,SC
, Mildred G., daughter, female, white, age 5, GA,GA,SC
, William H., son, male, white, age 2 4/12, GA,GA,SC		09/22/2003 10:34:41
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HH 254 - 9th Dist., ED 102, sheet 13B, 3 Feb.
Poythress, Eugene J., rents, male, white, age 26, married, GA,GA,SC
carpenter/ship yard, wage
, Mattie E., wife, female, white, age 28, married, GA,GA,GA
, Eugene J., son, male, white, age 1 3/12, GA,GA,GA

Fulton County

HH 78 - of David & Alberta Young, Atlanta, ED 108, sheet 6A, 10 Jan.
Poytress, Marcenia, sister, female, black, age 18, GA,GA,GA, laundry/home,
wage

HH 100 - Atlanta, ED 136, sheet 2B, 3 Jan.
Poythress, Nathaniel, rents, male, black, age 28, married, GA,GA,GA
laborer/newspaper, wage

, Annie Mae, wife, female, black, age 23, married, GA,GA,GA
, Dorothy, daughter, female, black, age 6, GA,GA,GA
, Marian, daughter, female, black, age ?2 6/12, GA,GA,GA

Heard County

HH 26 - Cooksville, ED 60, sheet 2A, 5 Jan.
Poytress, Sherman, male, black, age 47, GA,GA,GA, farmer/home farm, own
account
, Mary, wife, female, black, age 27, GA,GA,GA
, George, son, male, black, age 15, attends school, GA,GA,GA
laborer/home farm
, Arthur, son, male, black, age 15, attends school, GA,GA,GA
laborer/home farm
, Sherman Jr., son, male, black, age 13, attends school,
GA,GA,GA,
laborer/home farm
, Walter, son, male, black, age 13, attends school, GA,GA,GA
laborer/home farm
, Mary E., daughter, female, black, age 12, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
, Parylee, daughter, female, black, age 10, GA,GA,GA
, Mollie, daughter, female, black, age 8, GA,GA,GA

HH 79 - Cooksville, ED 60, sheet 4B, 9 Jan.
Poythress, George, rents, male, black, age 63, widowed, GA,GA,GA
farmer/gen.farm, own account
, Mendora, daughter, female, black, age 23, GA,GA,GA
, Lenora, daughter, female, black, age 20, GA,GA,GA
, Eva Lou, daughter, female, black, age 7, attends school,
GA,GA,GA



1920 Cont.
Page 30

Jenkins County

HH 255 - of Lell and Ester Burke, Millen, ED 115, sheet 11B, 12 Jan.
Poythress, Arthur, bro-in-law, male, white, age 24, GA,GA,GA
laborer/saw mill, wage
, James, bro-in-law, male, white, age 29, GA,GA,GA
laborer/saw mill, wage

Screven County

HH 55 - of Uley M. Reddick, ED 138, sheet 3B, 7 Jan.
Poythress, Eva, cousin, female, white, age 16, GA,GA,GA

HH 80 - 34th Dist., ED 138, sheet 5A, 9 Jan.
Poythress, Daniel W., owns/free, male, white, age 83, widowed, GA,VA,SC
farmer/gen. farm, own account
, Leila, dau-in-law, female, white, age 43, widow, GA,GA,GA
, Norman, gr.son, male, white, age 16, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
farm laborer/home farm, wage

HH 41 - 36th Dist., ED 141, sheet 3A, 7 Jan.
Poythress, Robert L., owns/free, male, white, age 51, married, GA,GA,GA
farming, own account
, (smudged ?), wife, female, white, age 58, married,
GA,GA,GA
Lee, Ulma, daughter, female, white, age 25, widow, GA,GA,GA,
teacher/public school, wage
, Ernest, gr.son, male, white, age ?6, attends school, GA,GA,GA

HH 17 - of Masie & Luther Ernest, Newington, ED 149, sheet 4B, 9-10 Jan.
Poythress, Carl C., boarder, male, white, age 25, GA,GA,GA,
merchant/grain store, own account

Taliaferro County

HH 192 - of Hill Lacy, 608th Dist., ED 123, sheet 10B, 19 Jan.
Poythress, John, bro-in-law, male, white, age 20, attends school, GA,GA,GA








1920 Cont.
Page 31

Troup County

HH 65 - Harrisonville, ED 140, sheet 4A, 9 Jan.
Poythress, Fannie, rents, female, black, age 35, widow, cannot read or write,
GA,GA,GA, farmer/home farm, own account
, Willie, son, male, black, age 18, attends school, cannot
read or write,
GA,GA,GA, farm laborer
Cato, Elizabeth, sister, female, black, age 24, widow, cannot read or write,
GA,GA,GA
farm laborer
Hammett, Enell, niece, female, black age 14, attends school, cannot read or
write,
GA,GA,GA, farm laborer
Jones, Eunice, niece, female, black, age 14, attends school, cannot read or
write,
GA,GA,GA, farm laborer
Bird, Nellie, niece, female, black, age 12, attends school, cannot read or
write,
GA,GA,GA
, Carrie, niece, female, black, age 2 2/12, GA,GA,GA

HH 71 - Harrisonville, ED 140, sheet 4B, 10 Jan.
Poythress, Miceal, rents, male, black, age 45, married, cannot read or write,

GA,GA,GA, farmer/home farm, own account
, Jolan, wife, female, black, age 44, married, cannot read
or write,
GA,GA,GA
, Joshua, son, male, black, age 17, attends school, GA,GA,GA
farm laborer
, Pauline, daughter, female, black, age 16, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
farm laborer
, Willie May, daughter, female, black, age 14, attends
school, GA,GA,GA
farm laborer
, Florence, daughter, female, black, age 12, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
, Georgia, daughter, female, black, age 10, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
, Charley, son, male, black, age 9, attends school, GA,GA,GA
, Salie, daughter, female age 5, GA,GA,GA
, Jimmie, son, male, age 2 10/12, GA,GA,GA

HH 12 - Hogansville, ED 144, sheet 1B, 19 Jan.
Poythress, Florence, rents, female, black, age ?33, widow, GA,GA,GA
farmer, own account

?Wiles, Minnie, mother, female, black, age 64, widow, GA,GA,VA
Hendom, Walter, nephew, male, black, age 13, attends school, GA,GA,VA





1920 Troup County Cont.
Page 32

HH 146 - Hogansville, ED 144, sheet 3A, 21 Jan.
Poythress, Walter, rents, male, black, age 60, married, cannot read or write,
GA,GA,GA, farmer, own account
, Jessie, wife, female, black, age 39, married, cannot
write, GA,GA,GA
laborer/farm, wage
, Rodie, daughter, female, black, age 17, attends school,
GA,GA,GA,
laborer/farm, wage
, Edde, son, male, black, age 21, married, cannot write,
GA,GA,GA
laborer/farm, wage
, Willie Edward, gr.son, male, black, age 4, GA,GA,GA
, Walter, gr.son, male, black, age 3, GA,GA,GA

HH 200 - Hogansville, ED 144, sheet 11A, 2 Feb.
Poythress, Marry Jane, rents, female, black, age 49, widow, AL,GA,AL
laborer/farm, wage
, Willis, son, male, black, age 24, GA,GA,AL, laborer/farm,
wage

HH 399 - LaGrange, ED 133, sheet 24A, 13 Jan.
Poythress, Kinchon, rents, male, black, age 55, GA,US,US, laborer/carpenter,
wage
, Emma, wife, female, black, age 45, cannot read or write,
GA,GA,GA

HH 417 - of Hunter and Mary Partram, LaGrange, ED 133, sheet 25A, 13 Jan.
Poythress, Mollie, mother, female, mul, age 53, widow, cannot read or write,
GA,GA,GA
, Mattie, sister, female, mul., age 23, cannot read or
write, GA,GA,GA
maid/private family, wage

HH 528 - LaGrange, ED 133, sheet 31A, 19 Jan.
Poythress, Jim, male, black, age 45, married, GA,GA,GA, laborer/cotton mill,
wage
, (smudged) ?, wife, female, black, age 50, married,
GA,GA,GA,
cook/private family, wage

HH 643 - of Rosa Burston, ED 133, sheet 35B, 19 Jan.
Poythress, Frances, boarder, female, black, age 30, GA,GA,GA,


HH 183 - LaGrange, ED 136, sheet 10B, 8 Jan,
Poythress, Edward T., owns/free, male, white, age 38, married, GA,GA,GA
tax collector/Troup County, wage
, Gussie, wife, female, white, age 30, married, GA,GA,GA
, Joe H., son, male, white, age 9, attends school, GA,GA,GA
, Edward T., son, male, white, age 11, attends school,
GA,GA,GA		09/22/2003 10:35:40
Georgia Census Part 91920 Troup County Cont.
Page 33

HH 185 - LaGrange, ED 136, sheet 11A, 8 Jan.
Poythress, Martha E., owns/free, female, white, age 64, widow, AL, GA,GA
, Charles H., son, male, white, age 37, divorced, GA,GA,GA
office assistant/tax collectors
office, wage

HH 111 - McClendon, ED 151, sheet 9B, 19 Feb.
Poytress, John, rents, male, black, age 54, married, AL,GA,GA
farmer/gen.farm, own account
, Della, wife, female, black, age 58, married, GA,GA,GA
, Charlie, son, male, black, age 23, GA,AL,GA, laborer/home
farm, wage
, Carrie, daughter, female, black, age 14, GA,AL,GA
, ?Cash, son, male, black, age 19, GA,AL,GA, laborer/home
farm, own account

HH 114 - McClendon, ED 151, sheet 9B, 19 Feb.
Poytress, Dock, male, black, age 28, married, cannot read or write, GA,GA,GA
farmer/gen.farm, own account
, Essie, wife, female, black, age 23, cannot write, GA,GA,GA

1930
Baldwin County

GA State Hospital - ED 11, sheet 29A, 28 Apr.
Poythress, D.W., male, white, age 63, widowed, cannot read or write,
GA,GA,GA,
patient
, G.C., male, white, age 29, GA,GA,GA, patient

Bibb County

HH 4 - of Clarence Hilliard, Macon City, ED 19, sheet 1A, 2 Apr.
Poythress, John M., boarder, male, white, age 21, GA,GA,GA,
mechanic/water works, wage

HH 88 - of Henretta King, 564th Dist., ED 23, sheet 7A,14, Apr.
Poythress, Gertrude, female, boarder, white, age 18, GA,AL,AL,
operator/telephone exchange, wage








1930 Cont.
Page 34

Carroll County

HH 38 - New Mexico, ED 30, sheet 3A, 7 Apr.
Cato, Jim, owns/farm, male, neg., age 70, married at 52, AL,AL,AL
farmer/gen. farm, own account
Mollie, wife, female, neg., age 60, married at 42, AL,AL,AL
Poythress, Oliver, son, male, neg., age 10, attends school, GA,GA,GA

Chatham County

HH 207 - Savannah, ED 39, sheet 9B, 11 Apr.
Poythress, Warren L., rents/$25 month, male, white, age 36, married at 22,
GA,GA,GA,
salesman/trucks, wage
, Odessa J., wife, female, white, age 34, married at 20,
GA,GA,GA
, Lamar Jr., son, male, white, age 13, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
, Odessa J., daughter, female, white, age 12, attends
school, GA,GA,GA
, Warren, son, male, white, age 9, attends school, GA,GA,GA
HH 234 - Savannah, ED 64, sheet 12A, 9 Apr.
Poythress, John W., owns/$4500 value, male, white, age 64, married at 26,
GA,GA,GA
salesman/packing house, wage
, Louise H., wife, female, white, age 59, married at 21,
GA,GA,GA

HH 154 - 6th Dist., ED 52, sheet 8A, 16 May
Poythress, Matthew M., owns, $2500 value, male, white, age 42, GA,GA,GA
carpenter/contractor, wage
, Mattie, wife, female, white, age 50, SC,SC,SC
, Matthew, ?daughter, male, white, age 12, attends school,
GA,GA,SC

HH 103 - of Mollie Hays, 6th Dist., ED 52, sheet 28A, 19, May
Paythress, James F., inmate, male, white, age 44, married at 35, GA,GA,GA
farm laborer/gen.farm, wage

HH 121 - 8th Dist., ED 57, sheet 6A, 7 Nov.
Poythress, Hattie, rents/$15 month, female, white, age 34, widow, GA,GA,SC
salesman/grocer store, wage
, Leona, daughter, female, white, age 14, attends school,
GA,GA,GA









1930 Cont.
Page 35
DeKalb County

HH 206 - 531st Dist., ED 3, sheet 14A, 10-11 Apr.
Poythress, Arthur, owns/$1500 value, male, neg., age 56, married at 49,
cannot read or write GA,GA,GA, carpenter/building, wage
?Ora, wife, female, neg. age 39, married at 32, cannot read
or write,
GA,GA,GA, servant/private family, wage

HH 222 - 531st Dist., ED 3, sheet 15A, 11 Apr.
Poythress, Astaniel, owns/$1000 value, male, neg., age 38, married at 20
GA,GA,GA, proprietor/pressing club, own
account
, Maud, wife, female, neg., age 34, married at 18, GA,GA,GA
cook/private family, wage
, Mabel, daughter, female, neg., age 17, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
, Henry, son, male, neg., age 15, attends school, GA,GA,GA
, Flora, daughter, female, neg., age 12, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
, Carrie M., daughter, female, neg., age 8, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
, Horace, son, male, neg., age 6, attends school, GA,GA,GA
, Astaniel, son, male, neg., age 3, GA,GA,GA

Effingham County

HH 28 - Rincon, ED 1, sheet 2A, 3 Apr.
Poytress, Theodore H., rents/$16 month, male, white, age 46, married at 23,
GA,GA,GA
carpenter/house, wage
, Rubie, wife, female, white, age 38, married at 15, SC,SC,SC,
, Theodore M., son, male, white, age 18, GA,GA,SC, farmer/truck
farm, wage
, Mildred G., daughter, female, white, age 16, attends school,
GA,GA,SC
, William H., son, male, white, age 12, attends school,
GA,GA,SC
, John M., son, male, white, age 7, attends school, GA,GA,SC
, Lelia E., daughter, female, white, age 5, GA,GA,SC
, Mary L., daughter, female, white, age 3, GA,GA,SC












1930 Effingham County Cont.
Page 36


HH 1 - of James and Maggie ?Hinsly, 9th Dist., ED 2, sheet 1A, 8 Apr.
Poytress, Alphia V., niece, female, white, age 14, attends school, GA,GA,GA

HH 28 - 11th Dist., ED 6, sheet 2A, 2-3 Apr.
Poythress, Thomas, owns, male, white, age 68, married at 33, GA,GA,GA
farmer/gen.farm, owns account
, Julia, wife, female, white, age 57, married at 20,
GA,GA,GA
, Jerry, son, male, white, age 20, GA,GA,GA,
, Ralph, male white, age 31, married at 27, GA,GA,GA
laborer/gen.farm, wage
, Verna, wife, female, white, age 21, married at 16,
GA,GA,GA
, Travis, son, male, white, age 5, GA,GA,GA
, Willie, son, male, white, age 4, GA,GA,GA
, Dallas, son, male, white, age 1, GA,GA,GA

Emanuel County

New Franklin Sanitarium - Swainsboro, ED 4, sheet 27A, 26 Apr.
Poythress, William D., patient, male, white, age 50, married, GA,GA,GA,
farmer/gen.farm, own account

HH 15 - 1560th Dist., ED 24, sheet 1B, 2 Apr.
Poytress, Will D., owns/farm, male, white, age 49, married at 27, GA,GA,GA
farmer/gen.farm, own account
, Sallie, wife, female, white, age 42, married at 20, GA,GA,GA
, Daisy, daughter, female, white, age 21, GA,GA,GA
, Bud W.C., son, male, white, age 20, GA,GA,GA, laborer/gen
farm, wage
, Louise, daughter, female, white, age 18, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
, Willie May, daughter, female, white, age 16, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
, Sidney, daughter, female, white, age 14, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
, Joe, son, male, white, age 11, attends school, GA,GA,GA
, Georgia Kate, daughter, female, white, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
, George A., son, male, white, age 7, attends school, GA,GA,GA
, Frank, son, male, white, age 5, GA,GA,GA
, Remer D., son, male, white, age 2 4/12, GA,GA,GA
, Rachel A., mother, female, white, age 68, widow, GA,GA,GA		09/22/2003 10:36:36
Georgia Census Part 101930 Cont.
Page 37

Heard County

HH 48 - Cooksville, ED 1, sheet 3A, 21 Apr.
Poyhtress, Sherman, rents, male, neg., age 57, married at 21, GA,GA,GA,
farmer/gen.farm, own account
, Mary, wife, female, neg., age 37, married ate 26, GA,GA,GA
, Walter, son, male, neg., age 22, GA,GA,GA
, Parrie L., daughter, female, neg., age 18, GA,GA,GA
, Mollie, daughter, female, neg., age 16, GA,GA,GA
, Rosa, daughter, female, neg., age 8, GA,GA,GA
, Charlie, son, male, neg., age 7, GA,GA,GA
, Neether, son, male, neg., age 3, GA,GA,GA
, Brinson, son, male, neg., age 1 9/12, GA,GA,GA

Jenkins County

HH 34 - Millen, ED 3, sheet 2B, 5 Apr.
Poythress, Charles M., rents/$10 month, male, white, age 75, married at 36,
GA,GA,GA
farmer/gen.farm, E., veteran of civil
war
, ?Mallie, wife, female, white, age 84, married at 45,
GA,GA,GA

HH 197 - Millen, ED 3, sheet 9A, 22 Apr.
Poythress, Lee A., rents, male, white, age 69, married at 27, GA,GA,GA
farmer/gen.farm, E.,
, Lucy, wife, female, white, age 60, married at 18,
GA,GA,GA, farm
laborer/gen.farm, no pay
, Gordon, son, male, white, age 18, GA,GA,GA,
laborer/gen.farm, no pay

Lowndes County

HH 50 - of Clif Lyon, Valdosta, ED 10, sheet 4A, 4 Apr.
Poythress, Horace, boarder, male, white, age 26, GA,GA,GA, plummer/shop, wage











1930 Cont.
Page 38

Screven County

Screven County Convict Comp. - Sylvania, ED 1, sheet 11A, 11 Apr.
Poythress, Lodema, inmate, male, white, age 36, married at 29, GA,GAGA


HH 33 - 35th Dist., ED 5, sheet 2B, 14 Apr.
Poythress, James C., male, white, age 45, married at 39, GA,GA,GA,
farmer/gen.farm, own account
, Bessie R., wife, female, white, age 43, married at 39,
GA,GA,GA,
?Jicler, Hazal, daughter, female, white, age 28, GA,GA,GA, teacher/public
school, wage
, ?Thomas, son, male, white, age 12, attends school, GA,GA,GA
Mincey, David L., father-in-law, male, white, age 76, married at 21, GA,GA,GA
, Eugenia, mother-in-law, female, white, age 72, married at 17,
GA,GA,GA

HH 13 - 1676th Dist., ED 20, sheet 1B, 17, Apr.
Poythress, Gazzie H., owns/farm, male, white, age 51, married at 30, GA,GA,GA
farmer/gen.farm, own account
, Kate L., wife, female, white, age 33, married at 17,
GA,GA,GA
, Troy W., son, male, white, age 15, attends school,
GA,GA,GA,
farm laborer/gen.farm
, Mary L., daughter, female, white, age 10, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
, Elmond, son, male, white, age 8, attends school, GA,GA,GA
, Louise, daughter, female, white, age 7, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
, Martha, mother, female, white, age 88, GA,GA,GA
Blackburn, Carl, step-son, male, white, age 10, attends school, GA,GA,GA

HH 32 - Newington, ED 18, sheet 2B, 4 Apr.
Poythress, Carl R., rents/$20 month, male, white, age 35, married at 27,
GA,GA,GA
manager/cotton gin, own account, veteran WW
, Beatrice, wife, female, white, age 33, married at 25,
GA,GA,GA

Troup County

HH 396 - Hogansville, ED 18, sheet 16A, 9 Apr.
Poythress, Sherman, rents/$3 month, male, neg., age 24, married at 22,
GA,GA,GA
laborer/cotton mill, wage
, ?ganet, wife, female, neg., age 19, married at 17,
GA,GA,GA,
laundress/home, own account
, Walter, son, male, neg., age 2, GA,GA,GA




1930 Troup County Cont.
Page 39

HH 2 - of Savanah Hall, Hogansville, ED 19, sheet 1A, 2 Apr.
Poythress, Willie, sister, female, neg., age 32, widow, GA,GA,GA

HH 68 - Hogansville, ED 19, sheet 4B, 7 Apr.
Poythress, Willie, owns/farm, female, neg., age 33, GA,GA,AL
farmer/gen.farm, own account
Mary J., mother, female, neg., age 59, widow, AL,GA,AL

HH 117 - LaGrange, ED 1, sheet 7A, 5 Apr.
Poythress, K.R., rents/$8 month, male, neg., age 79, married at 20, GA,GA,GA,
laborer/odd jobs, own account
, Emma, wife, female, neg., age 60, married at 16, cannot
read or write,
GA,GAGA, laundress/home, own account

HH 646 - of Henry & Josephine Cato, LaGrange, ED 1, sheet 34B, 16 Apr.
Poythress, Minnie, sister, female, neg., age 24, married at 15, GA,GA,GA,
cook/private family, wage
, John, nephew, male, neg., age 8, GA,GA,GA
, Doc, nephew, male, neg., age 7, GA,GA,GA

HH 422 - of Frances Young, LaGrange, ED 2, sheet 20B, 11 Apr.
Poythress, Mollie, mother, female, neg., age 65, widow, GA,GA,GA,
child nurse/private family, wage

HH 33 - LaGrange, ED 3, sheet 2A, 2 Apr.,
Poythress, Lillie, rents/$6 month, female, neg., age 40, widow, GA,GA,GA,
cook/private family, wage

HH 119 - LaGrange, ED 8, sheet 6B, 5 Apr.
Poythress, Eunice, owns/$3500 value, female, white, age 41, widow, GA,GA,GA
, Joe Henry, son, male, white, age 21, GA,GA,GA,
salesman/grocery, wage
, Edward T., son, male, white, age 19, GA,GA,GA
, Charles, bro-in-law, male, white, age 48, GA,GA,GA

HH 16 - of Jophus Wilkerson, LaGrange, ED 9, sheet 1B, 2 Apr.
Poythress, Georgia, sister, female, neg., age 27, widow, GA,GA,GA,
maid/hotel, wage
, Pierce, nephew, male, neg., age 9, attends school,
GA,GA,GA
, Elizah, nephew, male, neg., age 7, attends school,
GA,GA,GA






1930 Troup County Cont.
Page 40

HH 36 - McClendon, ED 25, sheet 2B, (blank)
Poytress, Doc, rents/farm, male, neg., age 40, married at 30, GA,GA,GA,
farmer/gen.farm, own account
, Essie, wife, female, neg., age 34, married at 18, GA,GA,GA,
laborer/gen.farm, no pay
, Doc Jr., son, male, neg., age 9, attends school, GA,GA,GA,
laborer/gen.farm, no pay
, Joe E., son, male, neg., age 4, GA,GA,GA
, Bennie, son, male, neg., age 9/12, GA,GA,GA		09/22/2003 10:37:22
Georgia Census Corrections/Additions/Deletions/etc.The Georgia Portion of the Census Project is now on the board, for
corrections etc. Please send any corrections directly to me. Denver145@aol.com. Please
have them to me no later than October 6, 2003. There are alot of ? marks
throughout the Georgia census, due to very poor quality of the actual pages. Many
were damaged by water, mildew, fading etc. If you could shed some light on the
question marks, I would really appreciate it!!!!

Take care,
Elaine		09/22/2003 10:55:09
[Poythress] Good to hearBarbara P. NealGood to hear that Kevin & Bud were both safe from Isabel; hope we'll
hear such good news from our other Poythress researchers in the affected
areas.

Thanks -
BPN




09/22/2003 12:09:40
Re: [Poythress: ] Isabel affect you/yours?The Wilmington, NC area dodged the bullet this time!

We got a lot of wind from the back side of Issy, but only about 2" of rain in
my area south of the city. The brunt of Isabel hit landfall about 65-75
miles north of us here in Wimington. We had a lot of debree down to clean up but
no damages to speak of. I was surprised to learn that VA had 19 deaths from
the storm, and all tghe damage she caused north of us, especially after Isabel
was down-graded from a catagory 5 to a catagory 2 storm!

"Thank the Good Lord"

Bud
LeRoof Poythress
Originally from Savannah, GA but now of NC.		09/22/2003 12:14:01
RE: Thomas Poythress references 1794-1796John M. PoythressBarbara....I distinctly remember Hicks, Bass and Poythress in one of
those deeds transcribed in full by Carol Morrison. Have you checked
the Morrison page or, for that matter, just Brunswick County's page
since Carol runs that one. The deed I remember has a Poythress
participant of some
significance and the other party is a Hicks. The one I can find is
pasted below and Ann Poythress is only an oath giving witness. But in
any case I make it 10 to 1 you're going to find it in Brunswick County.

With respect to the two Thomas entries. It's beginning to look like
this guy spent his life between 1780 and 1796 traveling back and forth
from VA to GA....or, God forbid, there were two Thomases. I shudder at
the very thought. But thanks for the citations; I'll add them to my
Thomas "time line."

Cheers, Maynard


Will Book 2, Page 3 - ROBERT HICKS In the name of God Amen I Robert
Hicks, Gentleman of the County of Brunswick in the Colony and dominion
of Virginia, Knowing the uncertainty of human life and being now in
perfect health and sound and disposing mind and memory do judge this the
most proper time to make my Last Will and Testament for the disposing of
what Lands Slaves Goods and Chattels I at the present time am owner of
which I do in manner and form as followeth. Imprimis I acknowledge the
Divine Favor and Mercy of God in so safely conducting and preserving me
through all the Dangers to which human Life is exposed to this present
time hoping the same Divine Grace may enable me to act to the end of my
Life as becomes a follower of our Blessed Saviour Jesus Christ by whose
advocacy & mediation with the Father I hope to to be admitted to eternal
salvation. Item I give and bequeath unto my son Charles Hicks all my
land at the Indian Fort below where I know live joining Captain
Nathaniel Edwards his lower line and Batts his line containing 650 acres
to him and his heirs forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my beloved
wife Frances Hicks four slaves name Kate, Martha Alias Hatt, Will and
Popper. I also give to my said wife the Bed and Furniture which I now
lie in with my will and Six sheep the best that she can choose out of
the Flock and 4 cows and calves and also my largest iron Pott. Item I
give and bequeath unto my son James Hicks after the decease of my wife
the plantation whereon I now live being whatever remains of my patent
for 2610 acres after the several tracts hereafter given and taken out of
the said patent to him & his heirs forever. I also give unto my said son
James one mulatto boy named Peter being now in the possession of the
said James Hicks. Item I give and bequeath unto my son-in-law Richard
Ransom 150 acres of land lying in the fork of Reeves his swamp being the
plantation whereon John Hicks lived unto him and his heirs forever. Item
I give and bequeath unto my grandson Benjamin Hicks 150 acres of land
lying in the fork of Reeves his swamp above the land I have given to
Richard Ransom to him and his heirs forever. Item I give and bequeath
unto my son George Hicks a certain parcel of land joining to what he has
already beginning at the mouth of his pasture branch and running from
thence to the persimmon trees that grow by my haystack to him and his
heirs forever. Item I give unto my son James Hicks my large oval table.
Item I give unto my daughter Frances Ransom two slaves, Jo and Cesar.
Item I give unto my daughter Martha Bedingfield a negro girl named
Hannah. Item I give unto my daughter Elizabeth Hicks two slaves, Will &
Amy. Item I give unto my daughter Rachel Hicks two slaves, Dick & Judy.
Item I give unto my son Charles Hicks my negro Peter and a bed and
furniture and that chest which he now hath. Item I give unto my daughter
Elizabeth one bed and furniture. Item I give unto my daughter Rachael
one bed and furniture. Item I give and bequeath unto my grandson John
Bedingfield all my part of the mill on Genito's creek to him and his
heirs forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my beloved wife Frances Hicks
all the remainder of my estate horses cattle sheep hogs and household
stuff to be entirely at her own disposal. Item I give unto my two
daughters Mary & Tabitha to each a common Bible. Lastly I nominate
constitute and appoint my beloved wife Frances Hicks full and sole
Executrix of this my Last Will and Testament hereby revoking annulling
and making void all former and other wills and testaments whatsoever. In
Witness Whereof I have hereunto set my hand & seal the 6th day of March
Anno Christ 1738/39. Signed by Robert Hicks. Signed and sealed and
acknowledged as the Last Will and Testament of Robert Hicks in the
presence of Anne Poythress, Charles Ross, and John Chapman. At a court
held for Brunswick Co. the 7th day of February, 1739. This will was
presented in court by Frances Hicks the Executrix therein named who made
oath thereto according to law and the same being proved by the oaths of
Ann Poythress, Charles Ross, and John Chapman it is admitted to record.


-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:03 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Thomas Poythress references 1794-1796

When doing a Google search the other day, I stumbled across the below
entries of interest in a page that had earlier been cached by Google.
(These 3 items were only a tiny portion of the Moseley entries.)

Only the first & last of the 3 entries mention Thomas Poythress, but the

one in between them was of interest to me, too, because of the mention
of Hicks & Bass. Those are surnames that I seem to recall perhaps being
parties to some Poythress deed transactions sometime back then -- Can
somebody help me on that?
Thanks for any help,
Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)

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> G o o g l e's cache is the snapshot that we took of the page as we
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Moseley Resource
Wills and Deeds
Sent by William C Daniel

DEEDS OF BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VA:

March 20, 1794 - Isaac Moseley & Selah, his wife, to John Hicks Bass for
32 pounds 52 /2 acres adjoining Eaton's Road, Moseley, Frederick Cook,
Daniel White, Grief Harwell. Witnesses - John Gholson, Harrison Barnes,
Thomas Poythress. (Book 15 - page 529)

November 24, 1795 - Isaac Moseley & Sealey, his wife, to John H. Bass
for 90 pounds 80 1/2 acres in Burnswick adjoining Lewis Hicks, Frederick
Cook, John H. Bass & Nathan Moseley. Witnesses - Asa Holloway, Benj.
Harrison, Christopher Thrower, James Pittillo, J. Nicolson?. (Book 16 -
page 264)

April 18, 1796 - Leavy Moseley to Nathan Fletcher for 5 shillings, 162
acres land in Brunswick whereon Leavy Moseley now lives adjoining Thomas
Moseley, Harrison Barner , Herbert Haynes & James Lynch, "Leavy being
indebted to Asa Holloway for 43 pounds, 16 s, 10 p to secure payment" to
be paid 12-25-1797. Witnesses - Thomas Poythress, Wyatt Ballard, Wm.
Moore. Signed - "Levi" Moseley (Book 16, page 374)




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Isabel - Richmond AreaJim RichardsonI (a researcher of David Poythress) live in Richmond, VA and wish to thank you for your concerns on how those in the path of Isabel are doing. Over 50 % of the households in Richmond are without power as of 6 P.M. Monday and may not be able to receive your e-mail.

I lost 4 trees in my backyard with no property damage. We lost our power about 6 P. M. on Thursday and we are told to expect it to remain out for 7 to 10 days. With the use of a backup generator I can use my tv, computer, fans, lights and microwave.

At one point Dominion Virginia Power, the major supplier of power to Virginia had 94 % of its customers without power. Today, the 10:26 A.M. report had 257,510 customers in our area without power. The 6:14 P. M. report showed power restored to only 12, 861 customers over this period. That is not very good math for us. The problem is poles are broken, lines down by trees and therefore new power lines are required instead of repairs. Power companies from 9 states are working in Virginia.

Yes. Isabel did cause a lot of damage in VA & NC. We in the path were very lucky she had weakened to winds of 105 MPH when she hit the coast. Isabel came straight into land and therefore the high wind side came inland. Most of the deaths came from water on the coast. In Richmond, our deaths were from a tree falling and an auto accident.

The eye passed slightly south of Richmond, VA. The area from Virginia Beach passing to Richmond received 7 to 9 inches of rain with winds from 60 to 80 MPH. We are ahead of rainfall for the year and had received heavy rains prior to Isabel, therefore, our ground could not handle this much rain in a 4-hour period.

Again, thanks for asking and your concern. I am sure you will hear from the rest of the Poythress researchers from this area when they have power restored.

Jim Richardson		09/23/2003 7:32:36
Re: Thomas Poythress references 1794-1796Carol A. MorrisonBarbara,

Could this be one of the deeds of which you had an interest (still looking
for one with Bass)?..

This Indenture Made this Twentieth day of August One thousand Seven hundred
& ninety five Between Thomas Poythress of Brunswick County of the one part &
George Hicks of the same County of the other part Witnesseth that for and in
Consideration of the sum of Fifty pounds Current Money of Virginia to me in
Hand paid by the said George Hicks the Receipt whereof I do hereby
Acknowledge have Bargained & sold & Confirmed & by these presents doth
Bargain, sell & Confirm unto the said George Hicks & his Heirs forever One
certain Tract or parcel of Land containing eighty five Acres more or less
lying & being in the County aforesaid & is bounded as follows (to wit)
Beginning at Wesson's Corner white Oak on Rattle snake Creek the white oak
being down have made a Corner of a Hickory thence by his line to a Corner
Hiccory thence by George Hearn's Line West to a Corner Red Oak on John
Sewards line thence by the said John Sewards Line to a Corner sweet Gum on
the said Creek as aforesaid thence by the Meanders of the said Creek to the
Beginning To have & to hold the said Land & other premises to the said
George Hicks & his heirs forever against the Claim & Demand of him the said
Thomas Poythress & his Heirs forever against the Claim of every other person
or persons forever unto the said George Hicks & to his Heirs forever In
Witness whereof I have hereunto set my Hand & Seal the Day & date first
above written.
Sealed Signed & Delivered
In the presents of Thos. Poythress (LS)
Christr. Thrower
Henry Mangum Brunswick County Court Septr. 28 1795
James Harrison Jr. This Indenture of Bargain & sale
Jno. Green was acknowledged by Thomas
Poythress party thereto to be his act & Deed and ordered to be recorded.
Teste
CB Jones CBC

Deed Book 16, pages 165, 166, Brunswick County, Virginia

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: Thomas Poythress references 1794-1796


> Barbara....I distinctly remember Hicks, Bass and Poythress in one of
> those deeds transcribed in full by Carol Morrison. Have you checked
> the Morrison page or, for that matter, just Brunswick County's page
> since Carol runs that one. The deed I remember has a Poythress
> participant of some
> significance and the other party is a Hicks. The one I can find is
> pasted below and Ann Poythress is only an oath giving witness. But in
> any case I make it 10 to 1 you're going to find it in Brunswick County.
>
> With respect to the two Thomas entries. It's beginning to look like
> this guy spent his life between 1780 and 1796 traveling back and forth
> from VA to GA....or, God forbid, there were two Thomases. I shudder at
> the very thought. But thanks for the citations; I'll add them to my
> Thomas "time line."
>
> Cheers, Maynard
>
>
> Will Book 2, Page 3 - ROBERT HICKS In the name of God Amen I Robert
> Hicks, Gentleman of the County of Brunswick in the Colony and dominion
> of Virginia, Knowing the uncertainty of human life and being now in
> perfect health and sound and disposing mind and memory do judge this the
> most proper time to make my Last Will and Testament for the disposing of
> what Lands Slaves Goods and Chattels I at the present time am owner of
> which I do in manner and form as followeth. Imprimis I acknowledge the
> Divine Favor and Mercy of God in so safely conducting and preserving me
> through all the Dangers to which human Life is exposed to this present
> time hoping the same Divine Grace may enable me to act to the end of my
> Life as becomes a follower of our Blessed Saviour Jesus Christ by whose
> advocacy & mediation with the Father I hope to to be admitted to eternal
> salvation. Item I give and bequeath unto my son Charles Hicks all my
> land at the Indian Fort below where I know live joining Captain
> Nathaniel Edwards his lower line and Batts his line containing 650 acres
> to him and his heirs forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my beloved
> wife Frances Hicks four slaves name Kate, Martha Alias Hatt, Will and
> Popper. I also give to my said wife the Bed and Furniture which I now
> lie in with my will and Six sheep the best that she can choose out of
> the Flock and 4 cows and calves and also my largest iron Pott. Item I
> give and bequeath unto my son James Hicks after the decease of my wife
> the plantation whereon I now live being whatever remains of my patent
> for 2610 acres after the several tracts hereafter given and taken out of
> the said patent to him & his heirs forever. I also give unto my said son
> James one mulatto boy named Peter being now in the possession of the
> said James Hicks. Item I give and bequeath unto my son-in-law Richard
> Ransom 150 acres of land lying in the fork of Reeves his swamp being the
> plantation whereon John Hicks lived unto him and his heirs forever. Item
> I give and bequeath unto my grandson Benjamin Hicks 150 acres of land
> lying in the fork of Reeves his swamp above the land I have given to
> Richard Ransom to him and his heirs forever. Item I give and bequeath
> unto my son George Hicks a certain parcel of land joining to what he has
> already beginning at the mouth of his pasture branch and running from
> thence to the persimmon trees that grow by my haystack to him and his
> heirs forever. Item I give unto my son James Hicks my large oval table.
> Item I give unto my daughter Frances Ransom two slaves, Jo and Cesar.
> Item I give unto my daughter Martha Bedingfield a negro girl named
> Hannah. Item I give unto my daughter Elizabeth Hicks two slaves, Will &
> Amy. Item I give unto my daughter Rachel Hicks two slaves, Dick & Judy.
> Item I give unto my son Charles Hicks my negro Peter and a bed and
> furniture and that chest which he now hath. Item I give unto my daughter
> Elizabeth one bed and furniture. Item I give unto my daughter Rachael
> one bed and furniture. Item I give and bequeath unto my grandson John
> Bedingfield all my part of the mill on Genito's creek to him and his
> heirs forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my beloved wife Frances Hicks
> all the remainder of my estate horses cattle sheep hogs and household
> stuff to be entirely at her own disposal. Item I give unto my two
> daughters Mary & Tabitha to each a common Bible. Lastly I nominate
> constitute and appoint my beloved wife Frances Hicks full and sole
> Executrix of this my Last Will and Testament hereby revoking annulling
> and making void all former and other wills and testaments whatsoever. In
> Witness Whereof I have hereunto set my hand & seal the 6th day of March
> Anno Christ 1738/39. Signed by Robert Hicks. Signed and sealed and
> acknowledged as the Last Will and Testament of Robert Hicks in the
> presence of Anne Poythress, Charles Ross, and John Chapman. At a court
> held for Brunswick Co. the 7th day of February, 1739. This will was
> presented in court by Frances Hicks the Executrix therein named who made
> oath thereto according to law and the same being proved by the oaths of
> Ann Poythress, Charles Ross, and John Chapman it is admitted to record.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:03 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Thomas Poythress references 1794-1796
>
> When doing a Google search the other day, I stumbled across the below
> entries of interest in a page that had earlier been cached by Google.
> (These 3 items were only a tiny portion of the Moseley entries.)
>
> Only the first & last of the 3 entries mention Thomas Poythress, but the
>
> one in between them was of interest to me, too, because of the mention
> of Hicks & Bass. Those are surnames that I seem to recall perhaps being
> parties to some Poythress deed transactions sometime back then -- Can
> somebody help me on that?
> Thanks for any help,
> Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)
>
> > This is G o o g l e's cache of
> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/3150/moseleywills.html
> > G o o g l e's cache is the snapshot that we took of the page as we
> > crawled the web. The page may have changed since that time....
> > To link to or bookmark this page, use the following url:
> >
> http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:WovOZ66qYJsJ:www.geocities.com/Hear
> tland/Meadows/3150/moseleywills.html
>
> Moseley Resource
> Wills and Deeds
> Sent by William C Daniel
>
> DEEDS OF BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VA:
>
> March 20, 1794 - Isaac Moseley & Selah, his wife, to John Hicks Bass for
> 32 pounds 52 /2 acres adjoining Eaton's Road, Moseley, Frederick Cook,
> Daniel White, Grief Harwell. Witnesses - John Gholson, Harrison Barnes,
> Thomas Poythress. (Book 15 - page 529)
>
> November 24, 1795 - Isaac Moseley & Sealey, his wife, to John H. Bass
> for 90 pounds 80 1/2 acres in Burnswick adjoining Lewis Hicks, Frederick
> Cook, John H. Bass & Nathan Moseley. Witnesses - Asa Holloway, Benj.
> Harrison, Christopher Thrower, James Pittillo, J. Nicolson?. (Book 16 -
> page 264)
>
> April 18, 1796 - Leavy Moseley to Nathan Fletcher for 5 shillings, 162
> acres land in Brunswick whereon Leavy Moseley now lives adjoining Thomas
> Moseley, Harrison Barner , Herbert Haynes & James Lynch, "Leavy being
> indebted to Asa Holloway for 43 pounds, 16 s, 10 p to secure payment" to
> be paid 12-25-1797. Witnesses - Thomas Poythress, Wyatt Ballard, Wm.
> Moore. Signed - "Levi" Moseley (Book 16, page 374)
>
>
>
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>		09/23/2003 7:40:27
Re: Isabel - Richmond AreaBarbara P. NealThanks so much, Jim, for the clear description of the impact on the
Richmond area. -- Much clearer than any of the quick-soundbite coverage
the entire storm got, out here in California.
Barbara (BPN)

9/23/03 10:32am
Jim Richardson wrote:

Again, thanks for asking and your concern. I am sure you will hear
from the rest of the Poythress researchers from this area when they
have power restored.
Jim Richardson		09/23/2003 8:45:31
Re: Thomas Poythress references 1794-1796Barbara P. NealThank you Carol & Maynard for the Thomas Poythress references you gave,
and will welcome any further Poythress & Bass/Lewis references y'all or
anyone may turn up. (I'm currently visiting San Francisco for our
daughter's wedding this coming weekend, & I only have snippets of time
to apply to this while up here, but I wanted to share those references I
had stumbled upon before potentially losing track of them Appreciate
your help.)

Cheers, Barbara (BPN)

9/23/03 10:40am
Carol A. Morrison wrote:
> Barbara,
>
> Could this be one of the deeds of which you had an interest (still looking
> for one with Bass)?..
>
> This Indenture Made this Twentieth day of August One thousand Seven hundred
> & ninety five Between Thomas Poythress of Brunswick County of the one part &
> George Hicks of the same County of the other part Witnesseth that for and in
> Consideration of the sum of Fifty pounds Current Money of Virginia to me in
> Hand paid by the said George Hicks the Receipt whereof I do hereby
> Acknowledge have Bargained & sold & Confirmed & by these presents doth
> Bargain, sell & Confirm unto the said George Hicks & his Heirs forever One
> certain Tract or parcel of Land containing eighty five Acres more or less
> lying & being in the County aforesaid & is bounded as follows (to wit)
> Beginning at Wesson's Corner white Oak on Rattle snake Creek the white oak
> being down have made a Corner of a Hickory thence by his line to a Corner
> Hiccory thence by George Hearn's Line West to a Corner Red Oak on John
> Sewards line thence by the said John Sewards Line to a Corner sweet Gum on
> the said Creek as aforesaid thence by the Meanders of the said Creek to the
> Beginning To have & to hold the said Land & other premises to the said
> George Hicks & his heirs forever against the Claim & Demand of him the said
> Thomas Poythress & his Heirs forever against the Claim of every other person
> or persons forever unto the said George Hicks & to his Heirs forever In
> Witness whereof I have hereunto set my Hand & Seal the Day & date first
> above written.
> Sealed Signed & Delivered
> In the presents of Thos. Poythress (LS)
> Christr. Thrower
> Henry Mangum Brunswick County Court Septr. 28 1795
> James Harrison Jr. This Indenture of Bargain & sale
> Jno. Green was acknowledged by Thomas
> Poythress party thereto to be his act & Deed and ordered to be recorded.
> Teste
> CB Jones CBC
>
> Deed Book 16, pages 165, 166, Brunswick County, Virginia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John M. Poythress"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 12:36 PM
> Subject: RE: Thomas Poythress references 1794-1796
>
>
>
>>Barbara....I distinctly remember Hicks, Bass and Poythress in one of
>>those deeds transcribed in full by Carol Morrison. Have you checked
>>the Morrison page or, for that matter, just Brunswick County's page
>>since Carol runs that one. The deed I remember has a Poythress
>>participant of some
>>significance and the other party is a Hicks. The one I can find is
>>pasted below and Ann Poythress is only an oath giving witness. But in
>>any case I make it 10 to 1 you're going to find it in Brunswick County.
>>
>>With respect to the two Thomas entries. It's beginning to look like
>>this guy spent his life between 1780 and 1796 traveling back and forth
>>from VA to GA....or, God forbid, there were two Thomases. I shudder at
>>the very thought. But thanks for the citations; I'll add them to my
>>Thomas "time line."
>>
>>Cheers, Maynard
>>
>>
>>Will Book 2, Page 3 - ROBERT HICKS In the name of God Amen I Robert
>>Hicks, Gentleman of the County of Brunswick in the Colony and dominion
>>of Virginia, Knowing the uncertainty of human life and being now in
>>perfect health and sound and disposing mind and memory do judge this the
>>most proper time to make my Last Will and Testament for the disposing of
>>what Lands Slaves Goods and Chattels I at the present time am owner of
>>which I do in manner and form as followeth. Imprimis I acknowledge the
>>Divine Favor and Mercy of God in so safely conducting and preserving me
>>through all the Dangers to which human Life is exposed to this present
>>time hoping the same Divine Grace may enable me to act to the end of my
>>Life as becomes a follower of our Blessed Saviour Jesus Christ by whose
>>advocacy & mediation with the Father I hope to to be admitted to eternal
>>salvation. Item I give and bequeath unto my son Charles Hicks all my
>>land at the Indian Fort below where I know live joining Captain
>>Nathaniel Edwards his lower line and Batts his line containing 650 acres
>>to him and his heirs forever. Item I give and bequeath unto my beloved
>>wife Frances Hicks four slaves name Kate, Martha Alias Hatt, Will and
>>Popper. I also give to my said wife the Bed and Furniture which I now
>>lie in with my will and Six sheep the best that she can choose out of
>>the Flock and 4 cows and calves and also my largest iron Pott. Item I
>>give and bequeath unto my son James Hicks after the decease of my wife
>>the plantation whereon I now live being whatever remains of my patent
>>for 2610 acres after the several tracts hereafter given and taken out of
>>the said patent to him & his heirs forever. I also give unto my said son
>>James one mulatto boy named Peter being now in the possession of the
>>said James Hicks. Item I give and bequeath unto my son-in-law Richard
>>Ransom 150 acres of land lying in the fork of Reeves his swamp being the
>>plantation whereon John Hicks lived unto him and his heirs forever. Item
>>I give and bequeath unto my grandson Benjamin Hicks 150 acres of land
>>lying in the fork of Reeves his swamp above the land I have given to
>>Richard Ransom to him and his heirs forever. Item I give and bequeath
>>unto my son George Hicks a certain parcel of land joining to what he has
>>already beginning at the mouth of his pasture branch and running from
>>thence to the persimmon trees that grow by my haystack to him and his
>>heirs forever. Item I give unto my son James Hicks my large oval table.
>>Item I give unto my daughter Frances Ransom two slaves, Jo and Cesar.
>>Item I give unto my daughter Martha Bedingfield a negro girl named
>>Hannah. Item I give unto my daughter Elizabeth Hicks two slaves, Will &
>>Amy. Item I give unto my daughter Rachel Hicks two slaves, Dick & Judy.
>>Item I give unto my son Charles Hicks my negro Peter and a bed and
>>furniture and that chest which he now hath. Item I give unto my daughter
>>Elizabeth one bed and furniture. Item I give unto my daughter Rachael
>>one bed and furniture. Item I give and bequeath unto my grandson John
>>Bedingfield all my part of the mill on Genito's creek to him and his
>>heirs forever. Item I give & bequeath unto my beloved wife Frances Hicks
>>all the remainder of my estate horses cattle sheep hogs and household
>>stuff to be entirely at her own disposal. Item I give unto my two
>>daughters Mary & Tabitha to each a common Bible. Lastly I nominate
>>constitute and appoint my beloved wife Frances Hicks full and sole
>>Executrix of this my Last Will and Testament hereby revoking annulling
>>and making void all former and other wills and testaments whatsoever. In
>>Witness Whereof I have hereunto set my hand & seal the 6th day of March
>>Anno Christ 1738/39. Signed by Robert Hicks. Signed and sealed and
>>acknowledged as the Last Will and Testament of Robert Hicks in the
>>presence of Anne Poythress, Charles Ross, and John Chapman. At a court
>>held for Brunswick Co. the 7th day of February, 1739. This will was
>>presented in court by Frances Hicks the Executrix therein named who made
>>oath thereto according to law and the same being proved by the oaths of
>>Ann Poythress, Charles Ross, and John Chapman it is admitted to record.
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Barbara P. Neal [mailto:bp_neal@earthlink.net]
>>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:03 PM
>>To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
>>Subject: Thomas Poythress references 1794-1796
>>
>>When doing a Google search the other day, I stumbled across the below
>>entries of interest in a page that had earlier been cached by Google.
>>(These 3 items were only a tiny portion of the Moseley entries.)
>>
>>Only the first & last of the 3 entries mention Thomas Poythress, but the
>>
>>one in between them was of interest to me, too, because of the mention
>>of Hicks & Bass. Those are surnames that I seem to recall perhaps being
>>parties to some Poythress deed transactions sometime back then -- Can
>>somebody help me on that?
>>Thanks for any help,
>>Barbara Poythress Neal (BPN)
>>
>> > This is G o o g l e's cache of
>> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/3150/moseleywills.html
>> > G o o g l e's cache is the snapshot that we took of the page as we
>> > crawled the web. The page may have changed since that time....
>> > To link to or bookmark this page, use the following url:
>> >
>>http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:WovOZ66qYJsJ:www.geocities.com/Hear
>>tland/Meadows/3150/moseleywills.html
>>
>>Moseley Resource
>>Wills and Deeds
>>Sent by William C Daniel
>>
>>DEEDS OF BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VA:
>>
>>March 20, 1794 - Isaac Moseley & Selah, his wife, to John Hicks Bass for
>>32 pounds 52 /2 acres adjoining Eaton's Road, Moseley, Frederick Cook,
>>Daniel White, Grief Harwell. Witnesses - John Gholson, Harrison Barnes,
>>Thomas Poythress. (Book 15 - page 529)
>>
>>November 24, 1795 - Isaac Moseley & Sealey, his wife, to John H. Bass
>>for 90 pounds 80 1/2 acres in Burnswick adjoining Lewis Hicks, Frederick
>>Cook, John H. Bass & Nathan Moseley. Witnesses - Asa Holloway, Benj.
>>Harrison, Christopher Thrower, James Pittillo, J. Nicolson?. (Book 16 -
>>page 264)
>>
>>April 18, 1796 - Leavy Moseley to Nathan Fletcher for 5 shillings, 162
>>acres land in Brunswick whereon Leavy Moseley now lives adjoining Thomas
>>Moseley, Harrison Barner , Herbert Haynes & James Lynch, "Leavy being
>>indebted to Asa Holloway for 43 pounds, 16 s, 10 p to secure payment" to
>>be paid 12-25-1797. Witnesses - Thomas Poythress, Wyatt Ballard, Wm.
>>Moore. Signed - "Levi" Moseley (Book 16, page 374)
>>
>>
>>
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>		09/23/2003 9:25:51
RE: Thomas Poythress references 1794-1796John M. PoythressAHA! There it is Barbara. Thanks, Carol, I forgot you monitor the P
page.

Maynard




09/23/2003 9:54:16
Re: [Poythress] Re: [Poythress: ] Isabel affect you/yours?Judy ScruggsBud, Kevin and Jim,
Glad to hear you are all o.k. after the storm.
Judy Speed Scruggs


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> Bud, sure glad you and yours are ok and didn't get the brunt of the
storm.
> We got 38 inches of snow in 24 hours last spring and what a mess, we had.
Trees
> falling, power outages, mother nature is not always nice.
>
> Take care,
> Elaine
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>		09/23/2003 11:50:10
Re:Gadsden CountyMaynard and Linda. I did a page by page search of the 1830 and 1840 Gadsden
and Jackson County, Florida Census. The only one I found as head of HH is J.P
Poythress for 1830 and James P. Poythress for 1840, Gadsden County. No
Poythress or anything close to Poythress as Head of HH for Jackson County. I did find
the Addison Mandell HH in the 1830 Jackson County census and I assume this is
Addison and Mary Elizabeth Poythress Addison (daughter of George Poythress,
from Burke Co., GA) with one male child under 5. They are no longer in Jackson
County in 1840.

Take care,
Elaine

Linda..good questions:



How old was George Poythress when he moved from Screven to Jackson
County, FL?     The oldest document I can find shows George as a testor
on a bill of sale in the Screven County Inferior Court in 1791.  If we
make him at least 21 at that time then he would be at least 60 in 1830.
I have a hunch he is several years older but in any case I think he can
be ruled out as a candidate for being the father of John Price
Poythress, that distinction likely going to James P. Poythress.



What about William T. Poythress who also shows in Florida as a trooper
of some description in the Indian Wars?  There was obviously a close
connection between James P. Poythress and William T. Poythress.  In the
deed below James P. is obviously giving Thomas W. Poythress the family
price on 250 acres of Screven land prior to James P. moving to Gadsden
County.  Thomas W. continues to show a rare citation presence in Screven
and eventually sells this land, as I recall, some 25 years later.   Yet
we also have Thomas W. Poythress participating in the FL militia or
whatever it was during the Indian war.



I think our choices are two:



1)       William T. buys, lives on, farms and ultimately sells the land
in Screven and for whatever the period was he enlists in the Indian wars
for the bonus or the pay or whatever; perhaps even encouraged by James
P. Poythress' presence.



2)   William T. moves to Jackson County, retains the Screven property as
an absentee landlord and ultimately sells it many   

            years later.  In the interim he shows only once in FL: the
enlistment for the war.



To be sure, no proof for either, but I'd opt for # 1.  The presence of
James P. Poythress and William T. Poythress in, say, consecutive Gadsden
censuses (or any other "continuity" type documents) would argue for # 2.



Relationship between James P. Poythress and William T. Poythress?
Purely as a guess I work on the hypothesis that they were brothers.
It's fairly sure they were contemporaries.



Hope this helps.



Maynard		09/24/2003 1:24:00
RE: Gadsden CountyJohn M. PoythressSo....Elaine....if John Price Poythress was born in 1813 he should show
up in James P.'s HH as male between 16 and 20 on 1830 census. And,
somewhat more chancy, if he's still living with his presumed father for
the 1840 census he'll show as a male between 20 and 30. Would you take
a peek at
1830 and 1840 see if he's there? Linda, I sort of lost the handle on
when
John Price P. got away to LA if he's not in 1840 census could he be
there?


Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: Denver145@aol.com [mailto:Denver145@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:24 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re:Gadsden County

Maynard and Linda. I did a page by page search of the 1830 and 1840
Gadsden
and Jackson County, Florida Census. The only one I found as head of HH
is J.P
Poythress for 1830 and James P. Poythress for 1840, Gadsden County. No
Poythress or anything close to Poythress as Head of HH for Jackson
County. I did find
the Addison Mandell HH in the 1830 Jackson County census and I assume
this is
Addison and Mary Elizabeth Poythress Addison (daughter of George
Poythress,
from Burke Co., GA) with one male child under 5. They are no longer in
Jackson
County in 1840.

Take care,
Elaine

Linda..good questions:



How old was George Poythress when he moved from Screven to Jackson
County, FL?     The oldest document I can find shows George as a testor
on a bill of sale in the Screven County Inferior Court in 1791.  If we
make him at least 21 at that time then he would be at least 60 in 1830.
I have a hunch he is several years older but in any case I think he can
be ruled out as a candidate for being the father of John Price
Poythress, that distinction likely going to James P. Poythress.



What about William T. Poythress who also shows in Florida as a trooper
of some description in the Indian Wars?  There was obviously a close
connection between James P. Poythress and William T. Poythress.  In the
deed below James P. is obviously giving Thomas W. Poythress the family
price on 250 acres of Screven land prior to James P. moving to Gadsden
County.  Thomas W. continues to show a rare citation presence in Screven
and eventually sells this land, as I recall, some 25 years later.   Yet
we also have Thomas W. Poythress participating in the FL militia or
whatever it was during the Indian war.



I think our choices are two:



1)       William T. buys, lives on, farms and ultimately sells the land
in Screven and for whatever the period was he enlists in the Indian wars
for the bonus or the pay or whatever; perhaps even encouraged by James
P. Poythress' presence.



2)   William T. moves to Jackson County, retains the Screven property as
an absentee landlord and ultimately sells it many   

            years later.  In the interim he shows only once in FL: the
enlistment for the war.



To be sure, no proof for either, but I'd opt for # 1.  The presence of
James P. Poythress and William T. Poythress in, say, consecutive Gadsden
censuses (or any other "continuity" type documents) would argue for # 2.



Relationship between James P. Poythress and William T. Poythress?
Purely as a guess I work on the hypothesis that they were brothers.
It's fairly sure they were contemporaries.



Hope this helps.



Maynard





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Info re James Speed Poythress family photo on websiteBarbara P. NealThe following info came to me tonight regarding the photo of the James
Speed Poythress family which is posted on our Poythress research
website, from Patti (PPK) who is one of his descendants. (She thinks she
has now successfully re-subscribed to this Poythress-List after an
earlier computer failure and other troubles. Welcome back Patti):

On the Poythress web page is the picture of James Speed Poythress & his
wife Mattie and children. That was taken at the occasion of the wedding
rehearsal for marriage of Sallie Poythress to Charles M. Card, who is
the informant on Mattie's death certificate, which is another image on
that same web page.




09/24/2003 4:18:24
Re: Thomas Poythress SignatureBarbara P. NealJust to expand on Elaine's message, one must be sure to compare
signatures only if they are *not* transcriptions of the originals that
were being recorded in the Deed Books by the Clerks of the Courts involved.
Barbara (BPN)

9/23/03 9:15am
Denver145@aol.com wrote:
> Hello to all. Following the discussion of the deeds of Thomas Poythress, the
> past couple of days, brought up a question for me. Maynard mentioned the Two
> Thomas possibility. I have read several past post to the list, regarding the
> possibility of 2 Thomases and it is not clear to me, if anyone has ever actually
> seen deeds etc., that had a signature of the Brunswick Co., VA Thomas and the
> Burke/Screven County, Georgia Thomas. Was there an actual signature or did he
> use a {mark}? If he did have a signature, has anyone compared them, to see if
> they look like they belonged to the same person?
>
> Thanks,
> Elaine		09/24/2003 5:13:27
RE: Gadsden1830 Gadsden County
Males in the HH
J.P. Poythess - 1 M 5-9, 1 M 10-14, 1 M 20-29, 1 M 30-39

1840 Gadsden County
Males in the HH
James P.Poythress - 1 M under 5, 1 M 10-14, 1 M 15-19, 1 M 40-49

Then a John M. Poythress age 26, who is in the HH of a James A. Poythress,
age 38 in Caddo Parish, show up in 1860. So far I have not found them in LA
prior to 1860 but my research is not complete for LA. This family does show up in
Panola County, TX for the 1870 and 1880 census, minus John M. Poythress.
James A. Poythress is dead by the 1880 census.

Hope this helps. BTW, Al has put the completed VA, NC, SC, and FL census,
under the heading of census records, on the left side of the home page of the
Poythress Site, in case you need information any information on these states.

Take care,
Elaine

So....Elaine....if John Price Poythress was born in 1813 he should show
up in James P.'s HH as male between 16 and 20 on 1830 census.  And,
somewhat more chancy, if he's still living with his presumed father for
the 1840 census he'll show as a male between 20 and 30.  Would you take
a peek at
1830 and 1840 see if he's there?  Linda, I sort of lost the handle on
when
John Price P. got away to LA if he's not in 1840 census could he be
there?


Maynard		09/24/2003 6:04:28
Gadsden CountyJohn M. PoythressLinda..good questions:



How old was George Poythress when he moved from Screven to Jackson
County, FL? The oldest document I can find shows George as a testor
on a bill of sale in the Screven County Inferior Court in 1791. If we
make him at least 21 at that time then he would be at least 60 in 1830.
I have a hunch he is several years older but in any case I think he can
be ruled out as a candidate for being the father of John Price
Poythress, that distinction likely going to James P. Poythress.



What about William T. Poythress who also shows in Florida as a trooper
of some description in the Indian Wars? There was obviously a close
connection between James P. Poythress and William T. Poythress. In the
deed below James P. is obviously giving Thomas W. Poythress the family
price on 250 acres of Screven land prior to James P. moving to Gadsden
County. Thomas W. continues to show a rare citation presence in Screven
and eventually sells this land, as I recall, some 25 years later. Yet
we also have Thomas W. Poythress participating in the FL militia or
whatever it was during the Indian war.



I think our choices are two:



1) William T. buys, lives on, farms and ultimately sells the land
in Screven and for whatever the period was he enlists in the Indian wars
for the bonus or the pay or whatever; perhaps even encouraged by James
P. Poythress' presence.



2) William T. moves to Jackson County, retains the Screven property as
an absentee landlord and ultimately sells it many

years later. In the interim he shows only once in FL: the
enlistment for the war.



To be sure, no proof for either, but I'd opt for # 1. The presence of
James P. Poythress and William T. Poythress in, say, consecutive Gadsden
censuses (or any other "continuity" type documents) would argue for # 2.



Relationship between James P. Poythress and William T. Poythress?
Purely as a guess I work on the hypothesis that they were brothers.
It's fairly sure they were contemporaries.



Hope this helps.



Maynard





DEED - JAMES P. POYTHRESS to WILLIAM T. POYTHRESS


Screven County, Georgia Superior Court Deeds & Mortgages


Book R


Page 116



Middle Florida

Gadsden County

This indenture made and entered into this 11th day of August in the year
of Lord one thousand eight hundred and twenty eight between James J. P.
(sic) Poythress of the one part and William T. Poythress of the other
part both of the same place, county and territory witnesseth that the
said James P. Poythress for and in consideration of the sum of five
dollars to him in hand paid and at or before the signing and delivering
of these presents the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged has
bargained and granted and sold conveyed and confirmed doth by these
presents bargain sell and convey and confirm unto him the said William
T. Poythress all that tract or parcel of land containing two hundred and
fifty acres more or less adjoining lands of Reuben Bolton on the east
part and others situated lying and being in the county of Screven County
and state to have and to hold unto him to said William T. Poythress his
heirs and assigns all that tract of land together with all and singular
premises members and appurtenances thereunto him the said William his
heirs and their assigns the benefits and behoof in fee simple and same
James P. Poythress himself his heirs and assigns will warrant and
forever defend the title against claims of himself and against all other
person or persons whatsoever in witness whereof I have here unto set my
hand and

affixed my seal the day and date first above written.

Witnesses:

J. B. Hollingen

William Cullen, J. P. Jas. P. Poythress
/s/



Recorded this 23rd day of August 1847

Alexander Kemp, Clerk



(does above suggest first date in Gadsden County, Florida? James P.
Poythress is selling 250 Screven County acres for only $5 to William T.
Poythress, perhaps a brother?)		09/24/2003 6:15:12
Thomas Poythress SignatureHello to all. Following the discussion of the deeds of Thomas Poythress, the
past couple of days, brought up a question for me. Maynard mentioned the Two
Thomas possibility. I have read several past post to the list, regarding the
possibility of 2 Thomases and it is not clear to me, if anyone has ever actually
seen deeds etc., that had a signature of the Brunswick Co., VA Thomas and the
Burke/Screven County, Georgia Thomas. Was there an actual signature or did he
use a {mark}? If he did have a signature, has anyone compared them, to see if
they look like they belonged to the same person?

Thanks,
Elaine		09/24/2003 6:15:56
Re: Gadsden CountyHenry SchererHi---I have "ST GEORGE'S GAZETTE" from October 2002 that included a petition
asking for Pardon of Leonard Nobles 1799. It was signed by 48 people
including Thomas Poythress, Thomas Poythress, Jr, George Poythress and
Edward Poythress in Burke County, Georgia. If this is the same George, then
he was still in Burke Co. in 1799. Harriet		09/24/2003 7:27:08
RE: James Speed Poythress Family Photo On WebsiteWelcome back Patti. It is wonderful to know when the photo was taken. Thanks
Barbara for posting the message.

Take care,
Elaine

The following info came to me tonight regarding the photo of the James
Speed Poythress family which is posted on our Poythress research
website, from Patti (PPK) who is one of his descendants. (She thinks she
has now successfully re-subscribed to this Poythress-List after an
earlier computer failure and other troubles. Welcome back Patti):

On the Poythress web page is the picture of James Speed Poythress & his
wife Mattie and children. That was taken at the occasion of the wedding
rehearsal for marriage of Sallie Poythress to Charles M. Card, who is
the informant on Mattie's death certificate, which is another image on
that same web page.





09/24/2003 7:27:38
Re: Deed SignaturesBarbara P. NealYes, the Deed Books in each county are kept by the Clerk of the Court.
This applies to Will Books, Minute Books, Mortgage Books, etc.

In pre-typewriter days, the Clerk would be "recording" the document in
his own handwriting from his examination of the original one that had
been drawn up by the parties involved (or by their attorney, if they had
one). He also wrote the name in the volume's Index. Thus the fee for
"recording" the document! And thus the *delay* in getting many documents
recorded.

Many times a family had NO reason whatsoever to get a deed recorded
officially (& pay that recording fee) unless they were now ready to sell
the property outside of the family. Some families probably still today
have not had deeds recorded for this reason.

One of my ancestors' family (not a Poythress ancestor) waited over 120
years to have a deed recorded, when all the heirs finally decided to
sell the property. Of course some of the original 9 heirs were long
dead, so each of *their* heirs had to be located, for them to sign their
cumulative-1/9th portion of the sale documents.

And even if a family wanted a deed recorded more promptly, they might
take in several documents (for themselves & for other family members &
even for their neighbors) at the same time, when they did go to the
effort to get to the Courthouse. Thus, we often find other documents of
interest to us within about 10 pages before & 10 pages after some
particular document for which we have an indexed location.

We are at the mercy of how good or poor that individual Clerk's
handwriting was. Even with poor handwriting, it is usually possible to
eventually decipher the writing in whatever specific record one is
interested, if one takes the time to also examine those extra various
pages before and after the record we know we want -- additional pages
that were filled in by the same Clerk -- he will have moments of more
readable handwriting, and one will begin to recognize various words from
seeing them again & again, and from some of the "context clues" helping
the mental lightbulb come on for us. This is why we really owe a debt of
gratitude to people who go to the trouble to tediously read these old
documents and transcribe them for us!

After typewriters came into use, the Clerk was the person typing up the
entry from examining the original document; and typing the entry in the
book's Index.

And today, the Clerk (or one of his/her assistants) is the person typing
into the computer, the entry from examining the original.

You may have heard reference to a county also having "Loose Records"
which may or may not be accessible to a researcher. These are often the
original old handwritten documents which the Clerk examined &
transcribed into the pertinent volume. Some of these originals were
actually signed by the parties involved. However some of these "original
loose records" were actually prepared as a COPY by another Clerk of
another County's Courthouse -- such as a COPY of a Burke Co or Screven
Co, GA Will that was taken to Gadsden Co, FL for recording there because
it may have covered part of a person's Estate there.

There have been occasional tales of a courthouse janitor in olden days
resorting to keeping the courthouse warm by burning the loose records,
rationalizing that they had all been recorded anyhow & they were just
taking up a lot of space.

In the last few years there has been a push to get the Loose Records of
many counties microfilmed. This effort has required many volunteers for
carefully opening out the old folded documents and preparing them for
the microfilming crews.

Hope this helps.
Cheers, Barbara (BPN)

9/24/03 12:40pm
Denver145@aol.com wrote:
> Barbara, would you expand a little more, please. Are you saying that the
> deeds in the books are not actually signed by the participants, that a clerk signs
> those? I haven't dealt much with the Deed Books and would really appreciate
> you getting me up to speed.
>
> Thanks,
> Elaine
>
>
> Just to expand on Elaine's message, one must be sure to compare
> signatures only if they are *not* transcriptions of the originals that
> were being recorded in the Deed Books by the Clerks of the Courts involved.
> Barbara (BPN)
>
> 9/23/03 9:15am
> Denver145@aol.com wrote:
>
>>Hello to all. Following the discussion of the deeds of Thomas Poythress,
>
> the
>
>>past couple of days, brought up a question for me. Maynard mentioned the
>
> Two
>
>>Thomas possibility. I have read several past post to the list, regarding
>
> the
>
>>possibility of 2 Thomases and it is not clear to me, if anyone has ever
>
> actually
>
>>seen deeds etc., that had a signature of the Brunswick Co., VA Thomas and
>
> the
>
>>Burke/Screven County, Georgia Thomas. Was there an actual signature or did
>
> he
>
>>use a {mark}? If he did have a signature, has anyone compared them, to see
>
> if
>
>>they look like they belonged to the same person?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Elaine
>
>
>
>
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>		09/24/2003 7:56:51
Re: Gadsden County - St George's GazetteBarbara P. NealCool -- What a great entry to have found, Harriet. This also verifies
both Thomas & Thomas Jr. being in Burke Co then & Edward, who I don't
recall seeing anything about before this!

Can you please tell us more about what is "ST GEORGE'S GAZETTE" from
October 2002? Is this perhaps a Burke Co, GA genealogical or historical
society's publication (quarterly? monthly?). Any address & publication
info would be most welcome, so we can cite this information correctly.

(Hmm, I'd also be curious re what Leonard Nobles had done, too, if the
petition mentions why he needed a pardon.)

Thanks so much for sharing this.
Barbara (BPN)

9/24/03 1:27pm
Harriet Scherer wrote:
> Hi---I have "ST GEORGE'S GAZETTE" from October 2002 that included a petition
> asking for Pardon of Leonard Nobles 1799. It was signed by 48 people
> including Thomas Poythress, Thomas Poythress, Jr, George Poythress and
> Edward Poythress in Burke County, Georgia. If this is the same George, then
> he was still in Burke Co. in 1799. Harriet
>		09/24/2003 8:06:29
Re: Deed SignaturesBarbara, would you expand a little more, please. Are you saying that the
deeds in the books are not actually signed by the participants, that a clerk signs
those? I haven't dealt much with the Deed Books and would really appreciate
you getting me up to speed.

Thanks,
Elaine


Just to expand on Elaine's message, one must be sure to compare
signatures only if they are *not* transcriptions of the originals that
were being recorded in the Deed Books by the Clerks of the Courts involved.
Barbara (BPN)

9/23/03 9:15am
Denver145@aol.com wrote:
> Hello to all. Following the discussion of the deeds of Thomas Poythress,
the
> past couple of days, brought up a question for me. Maynard mentioned the
Two
> Thomas possibility. I have read several past post to the list, regarding
the
> possibility of 2 Thomases and it is not clear to me, if anyone has ever
actually
> seen deeds etc., that had a signature of the Brunswick Co., VA Thomas and
the
> Burke/Screven County, Georgia Thomas. Was there an actual signature or did
he
> use a {mark}? If he did have a signature, has anyone compared them, to see
if
> they look like they belonged to the same person? 
>
> Thanks,
> Elaine		09/24/2003 9:40:36
Re: Deed SignaturesThanks Barbara. I had no idea, the records in the BOOKS, were not the
originals. That will sure save me some disappointment, in the future. I would have
been so excited, thinking I had an Ancestors TRUE signature. I have heard it
said "if ya ain't learnin somethin, ya ain't livin". Thanks for validating, that
today I am livin!!! The older I get, the harder it is to tell, sometimes!!!!
[g]. I always appreciate your help!!!

Elaine

Yes, the Deed Books in each county are kept by the Clerk of the Court.
This applies to Will Books, Minute Books, Mortgage Books, etc.

In pre-typewriter days, the Clerk would be "recording" the document in
his own handwriting from his examination of the original one that had
been drawn up by the parties involved (or by their attorney, if they had
one). He also wrote the name in the volume's Index. Thus the fee for
"recording" the document! And thus the *delay* in getting many documents
recorded.

Many times a family had NO reason whatsoever to get a deed recorded
officially (& pay that recording fee) unless they were now ready to sell
the property outside of the family. Some families probably still today
have not had deeds recorded for this reason.

One of my ancestors' family (not a Poythress ancestor) waited over 120
years to have a deed recorded, when all the heirs finally decided to
sell the property. Of course some of the original 9 heirs were long
dead, so each of *their* heirs had to be located, for them to sign their
cumulative-1/9th portion of the sale documents.

And even if a family wanted a deed recorded more promptly, they might
take in several documents (for themselves & for other family members &
even for their neighbors) at the same time, when they did go to the
effort to get to the Courthouse. Thus, we often find other documents of
interest to us within about 10 pages before & 10 pages after some
particular document for which we have an indexed location.

We are at the mercy of how good or poor that individual Clerk's
handwriting was. Even with poor handwriting, it is usually possible to
eventually decipher the writing in whatever specific record one is
interested, if one takes the time to also examine those extra various
pages before and after the record we know we want -- additional pages
that were filled in by the same Clerk -- he will have moments of more
readable handwriting, and one will begin to recognize various words from
seeing them again & again, and from some of the "context clues" helping
the mental lightbulb come on for us. This is why we really owe a debt of
gratitude to people who go to the trouble to tediously read these old
documents and transcribe them for us!

After typewriters came into use, the Clerk was the person typing up the
entry from examining the original document; and typing the entry in the
book's Index.

And today, the Clerk (or one of his/her assistants) is the person typing
into the computer, the entry from examining the original.

You may have heard reference to a county also having "Loose Records"
which may or may not be accessible to a researcher. These are often the
original old handwritten documents which the Clerk examined &
transcribed into the pertinent volume. Some of these originals were
actually signed by the parties involved. However some of these "original
loose records" were actually prepared as a COPY by another Clerk of
another County's Courthouse -- such as a COPY of a Burke Co or Screven
Co, GA Will that was taken to Gadsden Co, FL for recording there because
it may have covered part of a person's Estate there.

There have been occasional tales of a courthouse janitor in olden days
resorting to keeping the courthouse warm by burning the loose records,
rationalizing that they had all been recorded anyhow & they were just
taking up a lot of space.

In the last few years there has been a push to get the Loose Records of
many counties microfilmed. This effort has required many volunteers for
carefully opening out the old folded documents and preparing them for
the microfilming crews.

Hope this helps.
Cheers, Barbara (BPN)

9/24/03 12:40pm
Denver145@aol.com wrote:
> Barbara, would you expand a little more, please. Are you saying that the
> deeds in the books are not actually signed by the participants, that a
clerk signs
> those? I haven't dealt much with the Deed Books and would really appreciate

> you getting me up to speed.
>
> Thanks,
> Elaine
>		09/24/2003 11:11:14
RE: Gadsden County - St George's GazetteJohn M. PoythressHenry: terrific to hear from you on the subject. I am finally
reconciled to jumping into that whole scenario feet first and
contributing my own personal mis-information. One (maybe two)questions:
are you convinced that MEAPDO is a late in life child of Thomas
Poythress (Sheriff) and I suppose # 2: do you think she may be the
"qualifier" among those registering in the GA land lottery as "orphans
of Thomas Poythress." Whatever you can contribute would put me ahead of
the game. I am clueless so far and will only proceed stumbling into this
thing.

Many thanks,

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Scherer [mailto:hnscherer@adelphia.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 6:43 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Gadsden County - St George's Gazette

"St George's Gazette" is the newsletter from the Burke County
Genealogical
Society (P O Box 1522, Waynesboro, Ga., 30830) Email address
stone@merrillstonehamilton.com or call 706-554-5223. They include a lot
of
things from old happenings. I have a lot of ancestors down to my Mom
from
that area. Mom is still living @ 91! Ellison was her maiden name.
Her
grandmother was Martha Elizabeth Amanda Poythress Dixon Odom. We
descend
from Jane Elizabeth Odom, her daughter.
Harriet



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ROLL CALLJudy ScruggsI am Judy Speed Scruggs, descendant of David Poythress & Mary Speed Dortch through their son James Speed Poythress and Martha ( Mattie) Grice and their son James David Poythress and Carrie Price Shephard .My mother was Margaret Elizabeth Poythress who married Alfred Edward Speed.


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09/25/2003 2:59:00
Re: Gadsden County - St George's GazetteBarbara P. NealThank you so much, Harriet for this info. And thank you too for letting
us know about your connection. Hopefully your immediate line is more
clearly aware of Martha Elizabeth Amanda Poythress Dixon Odom (or
MEAPDO, as Maynard & others of us have abbreviated her name at times).

(And Harriet, please pardon folks who respond to you as "Henry" just
because it shows on their screen when they hit the "Reply" button -- I
put up for years, with folks addressing me as "Charles" because his was
the name put down when we first got our old email account, and I know at
times it can get frustrating trying to clarify that Henry or Charles is
not the one who is as personally interested in Poythress genealogy.

Cheers & please give your dear Mom a hug for me, from another Poythress
who really wishes I had a 91-yr old elder in my own family line -
Barbara

9/25/03 4:42pm
Henry Scherer wrote:
> "St George's Gazette" is the newsletter from the Burke County Genealogical
> Society (P O Box 1522, Waynesboro, Ga., 30830) Email address
> stone@merrillstonehamilton.com or call 706-554-5223. They include a lot of
> things from old happenings. I have a lot of ancestors down to my Mom from
> that area. Mom is still living @ 91! Ellison was her maiden name. Her
> grandmother was Martha Elizabeth Amanda Poythress Dixon Odom. We descend
> from Jane Elizabeth Odom, her daughter.
> Harriet		09/25/2003 5:21:10
Re: Cecil and Leland Card/sons of Sallie Grice PoythressBarbara P. NealElaine, thanks so much for posting the dates for Leland & Cecil for us.
I had not seen any info on them before & I really appreciate having it.
Barbara (BPN)

9/25/03 1:23pm
Found this today in the Texas Deaths 1964-1998 and the SS Death Index.
> These are the sons of Sallie Grice Poythress (daughter of James Speed Poythress)
> and Charles M. Card.
> As far as I remember, these dates have not ever been posted, on the P-List.
> If I am wrong, sorry for the repeat.
>
> Leland Poythress Card - DOB 28 Apr. 1907, died 2 Sept. 1986 - Harris County,
> TX
>
> Cecil Snow Card - DOB 18 Sept. 1915, died 9 Aug. 1988 - Harris County TX		09/25/2003 5:23:41
Off-line for a whileBarbara P. NealDear All -
I'll catch up with you later. I'll be away from email until probably
Weds of next week, for the wedding of our daughter, & lots of associated
family visiting & chauffeuring, while dozens of us are visiting in
daughter's fair city of San Francisco.

Barbara (BPN)




09/25/2003 5:28:18
Cecil and Leland Card/sons of Sallie Grice PoythressI found this today in the Texas Deaths 1964-1998 and the SS Death Index.
These are the sons of Sallie Grice Poythress (daughter of James Speed Poythress)
and Charles M. Card.
As far as I remember, these dates have not ever been posted, on the P-List.
If I am wrong, sorry for the repeat.

Leland Poythress Card - DOB 28 Apr. 1907, died 2 Sept. 1986 - Harris County,
TX

Cecis Snow Card - DOB 18 Sept. 1915, died 9 Aug. 1988 - Harris County TX

Take Care,
Elaine		09/25/2003 10:23:22
Re: Gadsden County - St George's GazetteHenry Scherer"St George's Gazette" is the newsletter from the Burke County Genealogical
Society (P O Box 1522, Waynesboro, Ga., 30830) Email address
stone@merrillstonehamilton.com or call 706-554-5223. They include a lot of
things from old happenings. I have a lot of ancestors down to my Mom from
that area. Mom is still living @ 91! Ellison was her maiden name. Her
grandmother was Martha Elizabeth Amanda Poythress Dixon Odom. We descend
from Jane Elizabeth Odom, her daughter.
Harriet		09/25/2003 10:42:50
Gadsden Co., FL PoythressJames SmithJust to let ya'll know I've not been home many days this week - Daddy is
in the hospital in Tallahassee and will be there for several more days.
As soon as I can, I'll read all these e-mails I've missed this week,
especially those about Gadsden Co. & the JPP fellows. Thanks for all the
work you all are doing trying to find our connection into the family.

As a matter of info. to possibly clear up a birth date -- John P.
(Price??) Poythress was born Sept. 19, 1833 -- he's the grandfather of
Gene Poythress & my great grandfather. That much is documented, but not
back yet to James P. Poythress, who was here in Gadsden Co. by 1827.

Thanks,
Linda		09/26/2003 2:49:10
For your attentionJMPoythress spotted this on the Guardian Unlimited site and thought you should see it.

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Note from JMPoythress:

Interesting. Somerset (Bristol) is getting close to Gloucestershire.
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To see this story with its related links on the Guardian Unlimited site, go to http://www.guardian.co.uk

UK's oldest cemetery identified
Maeve Kennedy
Tuesday September 23 2003
The Guardian


A narrow cave in a gorge in Somerset has been identified as the oldest cemetery in Britain, used by generations of people from one area in the Mendips just after the last ice age, 10,000 years ago.

Scientific tests, released yesterday, showed it had been sealed and abandoned more than 6,000 years before the first stone of the pyramids of Egypt was laid. The site, Aveline's Hole, is unique in Britain and earlier than anything similar on mainland Europe.

According to legend it was found in 1797 by two boys so determined to catch the rabbit they were chasing, that they took a pickaxe to the hole in the rock it escaped through and found a cavern full of skeletons.

Some accounts say that up to 100 skeletons were found neatly laid out in rows but tourists and amateur archaeologists flocked to the site, and the bones were scattered. Hundreds were stored at Bristol University but destroyed by a bomb during the second world war. Fragments survived there and in other museum collections.

Peter Marshall of English Heritage's scientific dating service, which commissioned the first comprehensive tests on the bones, said the results were remarkable. "People in early Mesolithic Britain were creating what we can recognise as a cemetery thousands of years earlier than has previously been thought. Although late Mesolithic cemeteries have been found on the continent, none have been recognised over here," he said.

The tests showed that the men, women and children buried in the cave were small and strong and ate meat. They rarely lived to be older than 50 and were tormented with bad teeth, rheumatic pains and osteoarthritis.

Copyright Guardian Newspapers Limited		09/29/2003 8:45:54
Re: Cecil and Leland Card/sons of Sallie Grice PoythresskoswcartistFinally got back on the Poythress List. So glad to see this. These were my
father's cousins.Sadly, I never was able to contact with that part of the
family. We may never know what makes disconections with family members..
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:23 PM
Subject: Cecil and Leland Card/sons of Sallie Grice Poythress


> I found this today in the Texas Deaths 1964-1998 and the SS Death Index.
> These are the sons of Sallie Grice Poythress (daughter of James Speed
Poythress)
> and Charles M. Card.
> As far as I remember, these dates have not ever been posted, on the
P-List.
> If I am wrong, sorry for the repeat.
>
> Leland Poythress Card - DOB 28 Apr. 1907, died 2 Sept. 1986 - Harris
County,
> TX
>
> Cecis Snow Card - DOB 18 Sept. 1915, died 9 Aug. 1988 - Harris County TX
>
> Take Care,
> Elaine
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
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> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
>		09/30/2003 3:30:18
Re: ROLL CALLkoswcartist----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Scruggs"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 5:59 AM
Subject: ROLL CALL


> I am Judy Speed Scruggs, descendant of David Poythress & Mary Speed Dortch
through their son James Speed Poythress and Martha ( Mattie) Grice and their
son James David Poythress and Carrie Price Shephard .My mother was Margaret
Elizabeth Poythress who married Alfred Edward Speed.
>
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>		09/30/2003 4:15:42
Re: Cecil and Leland Card/sons of Sallie Grice PoythressBarbara P. NealThanks, Patti, for giving confirmation that you indeed got back on the
Poythress list. Welcome back.
Cheers, Barbara (BPN)

9/30/03 9:30am
koswcartist wrote:
> Finally got back on the Poythress List. So glad to see this. These were my
> father's cousins.Sadly, I never was able to contact with that part of the
> family. We may never know what makes disconections with family members..		09/30/2003 4:20:09
Re: ROLL CALL - Speed & PoythressBarbara P. NealThanks for speaking up, Judy. I'd appreciate hearing briefly more about
who Alfred Edward Speed's ancestors were, too, if you have any info on
that, since there were SPEED families in Virginia, in the vicinity of
POYTHRESS families in earlier centuries.

Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)

9/25/03 5:59am
Judy Scruggs wrote:
> I am Judy Speed Scruggs, descendant of David Poythress & Mary Speed
> Dortch through their son James Speed Poythress and Martha ( Mattie)
> Grice and their son James David Poythress and Carrie Price Shephard.
> My mother was Margaret Elizabeth Poythress who married Alfred Edward
> Speed.		10/01/2003 4:33:31
Better link re England's oldest cemeteryBarbara P. NealBy the time I got back online today (10/1), there was no trace of the
article Maynard mentioned the other day at the Guardian's website or in
their archived articles. (They note that copyrighted articles are not
included in their archives, so perhaps that was the reason.)

However in trying to catch up on messages on another List, I found a
link that works:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3130348.stm

Cheers,
BPN		10/01/2003 7:05:54
Re: ROLL CALL - Speed & PoythressBarbara P. NealThanks, Judy -- yes, I'd greatly appreciate being able to see what
you've compiled on the SPEEDs. Would probably be better to just send to
me individually since it isn't really Poythress-List subject-oriented.

My email address is shown below. (Or let me know if you prefer to use my
snail-mail address. Since I don't want my snail-mail address posted here
to the automatically-archived List, I'll send it off-List.)

The wedding was indeed beautiful & a lot of fun for all the assembled
family & friends from all over. Thanks & I've relayed the good wishes to
the happy couple.
Barbara

10/1/03 2:58pm
Judy Scruggs wrote:
I have tried to connect Mary Speed Dortch
> to my Speeds and I have had no luck. I'll be glad to send you what I have.
> How was the wedding ? Beautiful I am sure. Give the couple our blessings &
> congrats.
> Thanks,
> Judy
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barbara P. Neal"
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:33 PM
>>I'd appreciate hearing briefly more about
>>who Alfred Edward Speed's ancestors were, too, if you have any info on
>>that, since there were SPEED families in Virginia, in the vicinity of
>>POYTHRESS families in earlier centuries.		10/01/2003 9:41:19
Re: ROLL CALL - Speed & PoythressJudy ScruggsBarbara,
I have researched the Speeds with better luck than the Poythress or the
Scruggs.
I have a straight line all the way back to the 1500's in England. It is
through all the males right down to my grand children. I had all but a
couple of ties when I had contact from a Speed relative who I did not know
from Texas. He was researching also and had the ties I needed and I had the
ones he needed. Talk about luck. I have tried to connect Mary Speed Dortch
to my Speeds and I have had no luck. I'll be glad to send you what I have.
How was the wedding ? Beautiful I am sure. Give the couple our blessings &
congrats.
Thanks,
Judy


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: ROLL CALL - Speed & Poythress


> Thanks for speaking up, Judy. I'd appreciate hearing briefly more about
> who Alfred Edward Speed's ancestors were, too, if you have any info on
> that, since there were SPEED families in Virginia, in the vicinity of
> POYTHRESS families in earlier centuries.
>
> Thanks,
> Barbara (BPN)
>
> 9/25/03 5:59am
> Judy Scruggs wrote:
> > I am Judy Speed Scruggs, descendant of David Poythress & Mary Speed
> > Dortch through their son James Speed Poythress and Martha ( Mattie)
> > Grice and their son James David Poythress and Carrie Price Shephard.
> > My mother was Margaret Elizabeth Poythress who married Alfred Edward
> > Speed.
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
>		10/01/2003 11:58:16
DNA review in 9/28/03 Eastman's Online Genealogy NewsletterBarbara P. NealIn Dick Eastman's Newsletter issue of 9/28/03, he gave the below-copied
review of his experience with Family Tree DNA. His informative review is
copied here for the benefit of those who will find it of interest.
Cheers, Barbara (BPN)

The following article is from Eastman’s Online Genealogy Newsletter and
is copyright 2003 by Richard W. Eastman. It is re-published here with
the permission of the author. Information about the newsletter is
available at http://www.eogn.com .

> - Family Tree DNA
>
> Some of the major advances in genealogy research are in the use of DNA
> to prove or disprove bloodlines. DNA will not provide names, places or
> dates of birth, death, or marriage. However, DNA information can prove
> with scientific certainty that two people are closely related; that is,
> they share a common ancestor. This week I had some personal exposure to
> DNA research.
>
> Family Tree DNA is a leading company in providing DNA services to
> genealogists. Quoting from the company's Web site:
>
> The value of Family Tree DNA testing is our ability to help find
> "Genetic Cousins ™" by comparing the results of as few as two people.
>
> Males are able to see if another male is a descendant from their direct
> paternal line. Our 12 marker Y-DNA test has become the world standard.
> Our 25-marker test yields the world's tightest parameters to the Most
> Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA). You may order the 12 marker test and
> return to "refine" your test at a later time without the need to
> re-submit another DNA sample!
>
> Women can determine which Haplogroup they are part of based upon the
> descent through their maternal line. Reports are compared to the
> Cambridge Reference Sequence, which show your deviation from this
> industry standard. We identify the lettered Haplogroup that your mtDNA
> is assigned to by the scientific community.
>
> DETERMINE relatives through two of your eight great-grandparents using Y
> or mtDNA testing. We search the non-recombining portion of your DNA; a
> CHART explaining this concept is suggested viewing. DNA testing is a new
> additional genealogical tool.
>
> You may find some new words and phrases in the above paragraphs. I know
> that I did. Luckily, the Family Tree DNA Web site provides many
> references to additional material, both on the site and on other Web
> sites as well. Rest assured: the terminology becomes clearer after
> additional reading.
>
> A couple of months ago I submitted a DNA sample to Family Tree DNA. The
> process was simple: I wiped the inside of my cheek with a special swab
> provided by the company. I put the swab into a small container, sealed
> it, filled out some paperwork, deposited everything in an envelope
> provided by the company, and mailed the envelope. The whole process took
> about five minutes and was simple and painless.
>
> As time passed, I totally forgot about the sample that I had submitted.
> This week the postman delivered a package from Family Tree DNA: my
> results. I tore the envelope open and studied the certificate inside. It
> gave my name and a series of numbers that seemed to me to be all
> mumbo-jumbo. The document might as well been written in Swahili, as I
> didn't understand a bit of it.
>
> The same envelope included a few sheets of explanatory text. That helped
> a bit, but it still did not tell me "how I fit into the world." I went
> to Family Tree DNA's Web site, and there I received an education.
>
> The Family Tree DNA site contains databases of information found in
> previous samples. Your own information can be added to these databases,
> if you give permission. However, all information is confidential until
> you say otherwise. Your data is always under your control.
>
> I first checked my Y-DNA matches in the Family Tree DNA customer
> database. The Y chromosome is passed from father to son and on to
> grandson, great-grandson and so on, unaltered for generations. People
> who gave permission to be listed in the Y-DNA database may match my Y
> chromosome exactly or possibly closely. They also have provided their
> email address and have signed the proper release form.
>
> In my case, there were no close Y-DNA matches listed in the database.
> Therefore, it appears that, as of today, nobody else with my surname (or
> direct male line of ancestry back to a common ancestor) has data in the
> Family Tree DNA database and has given permission to share it. I must
> admit that I was not surprised. Family Tree DNA states that they can
> "help find 'Genetic Cousins ™' by comparing the results of as few as two
> people." In my case, it was a one-person analysis. I didn't expect to
> find any "genetic cousins."
>
> COMMENT: If your last name is Eastman and you have had an analysis made
> of your DNA, I would like to compare some numbers with you!
>
> I did give my permission for future searchers to find my DNA information.
>
> Next, I checked the Recent Ethnic Origins database and Haplogroup
> database and received interesting results. While there aren't any others
> in the database with DNA numbers close to mine, the "Two Step Mutations"
> did give strong clues as to the country of origin of my direct male
> ancestors.
>
> My tests obviously focused on Y-chromosome as I am a male. Women can
> determine which Haplogroup they are part of based upon the descent
> through their maternal line. Reports will report the mitochondrial
> (mtDNA) numbers assigned by the scientific community. For the rest of
> this article, I will focus on Y-chromosome testing. However, you can
> find a lot of information about mtDNA on Family Tree DNA's Web site as
> well as at a number of other places on the Web.
>
> In my case, the twenty-five sets of numbers on my certificate have not
> provided meaningful results, simply because I am a solitary individual
> taking this test. To be sure, the Family Tree DNA testing did reveal the
> probable country of origin of my direct male ancestral line, and that
> can be helpful information for many people.
>
> The Family Tree DNA service becomes quite exciting when two, ten, or
> perhaps hundreds of people with the same surname use Family Tree DNA’s
> services as a tool for surname projects. For instance, the Morse Society
> knows of five immigrant men named Morse or Moss who immigrated to the
> U.S. in the 1600s. There is speculation that some of these men may have
> been related to each other, but no evidence has been uncovered. Many
> other family societies face similar questions: were these immigrants of
> the same name related to each other?
>
> If a number of Morse/Moss male descendants have DNA tests conducted by
> Family Tree DNA, the speculation will end. The DNA results will prove or
> disprove who is related to whom. Those with matching or nearly matching
> Y-DNA numbers share a common direct male ancestor. (By direct male
> ancestor, I mean your father's father's father's… No females between you
> and the common ancestor.) If the Y-DNA numbers are not close, then
> obviously these Morse/Moss descendants do not share a common direct male
> ancestor and are not related, at least not through that line of ancestry.
>
> The Family Tree DNA Web site is the home of more than 600 Surname
> Projects. Possibly one of your surnames of interest is already
> participating there. If not, you can start a new Surname Project of your
> own:
>
> A minimum of 6 participants is required.
>
> You must choose a Group Administrator who will handle the data
> management of your family's Surname Project. The Group Administrator
> will be Family Tree DNA's direct link to your project.
>
> The Group Administrator will have access to a secure page where your
> project's status is updated daily. Family Tree DNA will distribute legal
> release forms allowing for the sharing of the test results with the
> Group Administrator. Test kits and payments may be submitted
> individually or as a group to FTDNA for processing.
>
> Test results will be returned to the Group Administrator as they are
> received by the office. Each participant will also receive a certificate
> and report containing their personal test results. The staff of FTDNA
> will help you interpret the meaning of your test results.
>
> FTDNA will consult with you on the minimum number of test takers you
> will need to reconstruct your family tree, depending upon how many
> branches of your family will participate in the project.
>
> In short, Family Tree DNA's services can provide information that you
> will never discover in books, microfilm, or computer databases. It will
> prove or disprove some of your relationships with others. It may prove
> your relationship to a particular individual in past years if (and only
> if) enough relatives of that ancestor have DNA analysis testing
> performed. It can solve some paperwork roadblocks that you have encountered.
>
> Y-chromosome DNA testing is especially good at disproving relationships
> and that can be as valuable as proving a relationship. It may even
> disprove some of the "accepted lineages" that have been published time
> and again by lineage societies and family societies. Now THAT could
> cause a ruckus at the next annual meeting!
>
> The Family Tree DNA Web site has loads of explanatory information. Even
> if you do not purchase their services, anyone interested in learning
> about DNA in genealogy will want to spend some time reading the material
> available at the site. The same Web site also has some excellent videos
> that you can play directly on your PC or Macintosh. In addition, you may
> order a videotape that can be played on a normal television set and VCR.
>
> Family Tree DNA provides a number of different tests, with prices
> varying from $159 up to $567 for the "DNAWorks," a combination of
> several tests. Those prices may sound a bit high at first but remember
> that they are a fraction of the prices charged five years ago. They are
> also much cheaper than the typical genealogy research trip, even to one
> only a few hundred miles away. The results of DNA testing also have a
> higher probability of accuracy than most information recorded years ago.
> After all, even primary records recorded at the time of an event
> occasionally contain errors or even deliberate falsehoods. On the other
> hand, it is difficult to fool a DNA test.
>
> My recommendation: Do not do what I did! When one person submits a test
> sample alone, DNA testing is not very fruitful. To be sure, you might
> get lucky and find a match. The odds are against it, however, until
> these databases contain DNA information for hundreds or thousands or
> even millions of people. I did not find a match (yet), and chances are
> that you will not, either, if you act alone. However, the data that you
> and I submitted today might match a future test sample.
>
> The real power of DNA testing occurs when a group of people submit data,
> usually those who are trying to prove or disprove relationships. Such
> proof is easy to determine when two people submit test samples. Things
> become much more interesting as more and more people become involved in
> a one-name study. DNA testing is an excellent tool for today's
> genealogist if you understand what can and cannot be proven.
>
> Here is another note to anyone named Eastman who is reading this article:
>
> Do you think that you and I could find four more individuals with our
> surname who would be interested in starting a surname project of our
> own? Most people with our surname are descended from one person who
> arrived in Massachusetts in 1638. However, there have also been a few
> other immigrants of that name in later years. I have never been able to
> prove my ancestral line all the way back to any of the immigrants. If a
> number of us take this DNA test, we can prove whether or not we share a
> common ancestor, be it the 1638 immigrant or not. I'd like to know if we
> are indeed all related.
>
> This is exciting technology. I expect that, within a couple of decades,
> DNA testing will become a part of every genealogist's research efforts.
> As the size of the databases of collected DNA information grows, no
> genealogy effort will be considered accurate until it is accompanied by
> DNA proof.
>
> I placed my DNA certificate from Family Tree DNA alongside my original
> birth certificate in my personal records.
>
> For more information about the many services of Family Tree DNA, go to:
> http://www.familytreedna.com .
>
> What Do You Think? Comments and discussion are available on Eastman's
> newsletter's Discussion Board at: http://www.eogn.com/discussionboard
>		10/01/2003 12:49:08
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Re: Francis Poythress/Ohio Land RecordsPatti, the record that came up on Ancestry, is just how it is listed below.
It doesn't give a county. I went back and looked at it again and it is 600
acres. It doesn't give township, range, section number or any other descriptive
information.

Welcome back,
Elaine


Elaine,
Did you figure out what county or town in ohio is this land? I couldnt from
the message you sent. Also I am surprised that it was listed as an even 600
acres. Some of the patents in the land grant act were 640 acres [1/4 of a
square mile]...maybe that is because of the nature of the hills. out west it
is much easier to measure of square miles and quarter miles.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:10 PM
Subject: Francis Poythress/Ohio Land Records


> I ran across this today. First I have heard of Poythresses, in Ohio.
>
> Massie, Henry
> Poythress, Francis
>
> Land Office - Ohio
>
> Document # -4256
>
> Canceled Document - NO
>
> Survey Date - 1802/06/2
>
> Multiple Warantee Names - Yes
>
> Multiple Patentee Names - No
>
> Total Acres - 600
>
> Signature - Yes
>
> Issue Date - April 16, 1822
>
> Metes and Bounds - yes
>
> Statutory Reference - 1 Stat. 82
>
> Act of Treaty - August 10, 1790
>
> Entry Classification - Script Warrant Act of 1790
>
> Remarks - Jesse Chandler MWN 4482
>
>
> Take care,
> Elaine
>		10/02/2003 1:20:19
RE: Francis Poythress/Ohio Land RecordsJohn M. PoythressAnd another one folks. Don't know where I got it but I've had it
forever. Sure is a long time after the war for a guy to be getting
Virginia Military Warrants unless of course the grant didn't have
anything to do with the war.

I have an image of this I can send to anyone who wants it.

This one reads:

Ohio Land Patents
Patentee: JOSHUA
POYTHRESS
Land Office: OHIO
Document Number: 6209
Miscellaneous Document Number:

Title Authority: VIRGINIA MILITARY WARRANT
Signature: Y
Signature Date: 1820/11/15
Description Number: 1
Aliquot Parts:
Section Number:
Township:
Range:
Base Line:
Total Acres: 1024.3300
Fractional Section: N
Metes and Bounds Description: Y
Survey Date: 1819/04/29
Warantee : ROBERT BOLLING
Canceled Document: N
Multiple Patentee(s): N
Multiple Warantee(s): Y
Number: OH1970__.198
Image Name: 00024542
Image Type: P
Volume ID: 050
Remarks: THOMAS WISHART MWN 5887

Maynard		10/02/2003 1:36:20
RE: Francis Poythress/Ohio Land RecordsJohn M. PoythressOnly Francis I'm familiar with that served in the war died at age 24.
My guess would be that he wasn't around to exercise the warrant.

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: Denver145@aol.com [mailto:Denver145@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:20 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Francis Poythress/Ohio Land Records

Patti, the record that came up on Ancestry, is just how it is listed
below.
It doesn't give a county. I went back and looked at it again and it is
600
acres. It doesn't give township, range, section number or any other
descriptive
information.

Welcome back,
Elaine


Elaine,
Did you figure out what county or town in ohio is this land? I couldnt
from
the message you sent. Also I am surprised that it was listed as an even
600
acres. Some of the patents in the land grant act were 640 acres [1/4 of
a
square mile]...maybe that is because of the nature of the hills. out
west it
is much easier to measure of square miles and quarter miles.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:10 PM
Subject: Francis Poythress/Ohio Land Records


> I ran across this today. First I have heard of Poythresses, in Ohio.
>
> Massie, Henry
> Poythress, Francis
>
> Land Office - Ohio
>
> Document # -4256
>
> Canceled Document - NO
>
> Survey Date - 1802/06/2
>
> Multiple Warantee Names - Yes
>
> Multiple Patentee Names - No
>
> Total Acres - 600
>
> Signature - Yes
>
> Issue Date - April 16, 1822
>
> Metes and Bounds - yes
>
> Statutory Reference - 1 Stat. 82
>
> Act of Treaty - August 10, 1790
>
> Entry Classification - Script Warrant Act of 1790
>
> Remarks - Jesse Chandler MWN 4482
>
>
> Take care,
> Elaine
>



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RE: Oak Hill Bapt Ch CemJohn M. PoythressAnd this from Bud to add even more. I had forgotten they are virtually
all Bud's folks. Bud sent this to me. He's having trouble getting
emails to the board. Just like me he'll have to wait on his adolescent
grandson to fix his PC .

Maynard

To wit:

Hi Cuz .........

I sent in a message to the Poythress group at 3:30 PM this afternoon
identifying all those buried there, especially those connected to Lee
A(lexander) Poythress. They are all in my line, Lee being the youngest
brother to my grand-father William H. Poythress, and Lucy Lively being
Lee's 2nd wife.

I don't know why it hasn't been re-distributed to the members.

Bud

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:17 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re:Oak Hill Bapt Ch Cem

Thanks Maynard. Here is a little additional information on these folks.

Gordon is son of Lee A. Poythress (in HH of Lee A. in 1920 {will be
added to
final of GA portion of project} and 1930 Jenkins Co. GA census. Lucy
Lively
Daily Poythress is wife of Lee A. Poythress.You will see that in the
corrected/final of the Census Project,
which has a step-daughter, Blanche Daily living in the HH of Lee A. and
Lucy
Poythress
in Jenkins Co., GA. I would agree, the Lee A. Poythress buried in this
cemetery, is the Lee/LeAndrew Poythress in Screven County, GA in the
1870 and 1880
census, in the HH
of John White Poythress. I will check 1900 Emanuel to see if I can flush
a
few of the others out. Thanks for the tip, on where they may have gone.
Also, I
found Lee A. Poythress in Jenkins County in 1910, alone, apparently not
yet
married to Lucy Lively Daily. It looks like he is listed as widowed, but
it is
very smudged. This will also be include in the corrected/final of the
project.

See note below in {( )}

Take care,
Elaine


Elaine, I'll take a crack at identifying some of these folks as best I
can.  They, or most of them, are most certainly ours.

Cemetery- Jenkins County-Millen, Ga.-Oak Hill Baptist Church

Some Poythress gravesites....collected by John M. Poythress & Bud
Poythress,  Summer 1997.  (Photos in files)

       SIDNEY                          Son of Nathaniel Harper Poythress
and Rachel Flake Poythress, decided
PAYTHRESS                          to just spell the name differently I
suppose.or maybe the enumerator
June 16, 1889                          gave him the "a."
Feb. 26, 1916
Asleep in Jesus
Blessed Sleep

      ARTHUR                         ditto above
PAYTHRESS
June 6, 1896
Mar. 19, 1922
Gone But Not
Forgotten

      JAMES T.                        ditto above
POYTHRESS
FEB. 27, 1887
MAR.31,1924

RACHEL F. POYTHRESS                      Rachel Flake Poythress
       BORN MAY  1860
       DIED  OCT. 8, 1938

IN MEMORY OF                                    Nathaniel Harper
Poythress
MY HUS. N. H.
POYTHRESS
JUNE 7, 1861
JAN. 6, 1908
There will be
no sorrow there

MABEL E.                                                         ?
POYTHRESS
MAR. 1, 1913

GORDON E.                                                      ?
POYTHRESS
AUG. 20, 1912
AUG. 19, 1972

        OUR MOTHER                                          ?
LUCY LIVELY DALEY
          POYTHRESS
         AUG. 20, 1867
         JAN. 28, 1966

          MARTHA                                                 ?
           WIFE OF
   _____ POYTHRESS
        MAR. 19, 1871
       JUNE.  24, 1909

LEE A. POYTHRESS                             See below
       DEC. 25, 1861
       JAN. 6,1938

INFANT DAUGHTER
                OF                                        daughter of
above
        L. A. & S. P.
      POYTHRESS
JUNE 24, 1909
JULY 10, 1909


Lee Andrew (or by any variation on the name) is an old friend who shows
up faithfully on the census and seems easily
identifiable.   He is a son that will be born to John White Poythress
and Mary Ann (Thompson) on Christmas, 1861.  John (White) Poythress is a
son of Meredith Poythress, Sr. and Hester Wilder Mock, thereby making
him an ancestor of some description to Bud.



This family is Screven HH 406 in 1850, HH 141 in 1860, HH 705 when Lee
first shows as age 7 in 1870, HH 435 at age 17 in

1880; he disappears from the census until 1930 when he shows in Emanuel
County HH 15 (Millen family) at age 69.  He dies in 1938 per the
tombstone above.
{(Maynard I find him, if we are talking about Lee A.Poythress, as head
of HH
197 in Jenkins County not Emanual County, GA)}




Nathanial Harper Poythress and Rachel Flake Poythress is the line I
believe Debbie is searching.  It is also Doris' line as a child of this
marriage (Effie G.) is Doris' grandmother.  Also a child of this
marriage is William D. Poythress (HH 15 in Emanuel County in 1930).
According to Doris, most of the rest of this family is buried at
Hawhammock Cemetery in Emanuel County, GA.   No one seems to be able to
identify the father of N. H. Poythress.  



I have digitalized photos of all the Poythress/Paythress graves in this
cemetery if anyone wants them.



Maynard




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Re: Thomas "James" PoythressRandy JonesThe line below shows Thomas Poythress at age 120
fathering sons Lewis and Meredith. This is obviously
impossible and indicates there were at least one and
possibly two intervening generations, either before or
after Thomas.

-- Randy Jones

--- "John M. Poythress" wrote:
> In poking about the Ancestry.com site I saw a fairly
> comprehensive
> posting of 10 May 02 from one Stephania Scott. It's
> title was
>
> "Vaughan and Williams" and that part was embedded in
> the post which
> otherwise had considerable Poythress information.
> Her email was shown
> as huggers@linkabit.com. To my disappointment I was
> unable to connect
> with her because the email address (I suspect) was
> one of those "ad hoc"
> email addresses for the occasion of that particular
> post.or else she's
> changed her address. I looked for Stephania Scott
> on both the Vaughan
> pages and Williams pages with no results.
>
>
>
> Her post read for all the world like she was looking
> over Martha Dixon's
> shoulder but she left out a couple of Martha's key
> elements so likely
> she was doing her own thing and I hoped we could
> obtain some additional
> information from this lady.
>
>
>
> Stephania posted:
>
>
>
> 1. Francis Poythress
>
> + Mary Randolph
>
> 2. Thomas James Poythress b: about 1640 Charles
> City Co. (now
> Dinwiddie Co.)
>
> + Martha _______
>
> 3. Lewis Poythress b. 1760/1770 d. Bef 12
> Jul 1848
>
> +Rebecca B. Taylor m. 9 Apr 1802 in
> Mecklenburg County
>
> 4. David Poythress
>
> + Mary Speed Dortch
>
> 5. Mary Etta Poythress
>
> + N. D. Vaughan
>
> 6. Mary Vaughan b. 15
> Sep 1861
>
> + George R. Duke
>
> 3. George Poythress
>
> 3. Meredith Poythress b. 1760
>
> + Edith Cleaton m. 14 Jul 1781
>
> 4. Peter Poythress b. 1782
>
> 4. Cleaton Poythress
>
> 4. Elizabeth Poythress
>
> 3. Thomas Poythress
>
> 3. Edward Poythress
>
> 3. William Poythress
>
>
>
>
>
> I sent Stephania the email below with 3 main
> questions. Obviously,
> there is a chance she has more but also obviously
> her
>
> main interest would seem to be the line of David
> Poythress/Mary Dortch
> which produced the N. D. Vaughan to marry Mary Etta
> Poythress of her
> line. It's likely we have many more questions.
>
>
>
> It strikes me that the Godzilla question we have for
> her is where is the
> citation for Francis Poythress m. Mary Randolph as
> the parents of Thomas
> Poythress. That would be a link we're all looking
> for.
>
>
>
> I spent several hours on that search and I'm very
> much inclined to
> believe that the citation for Francis Poythress m.
> Mary Randolph for a
> son Thomas James Poythress is non-existent because
> the marriage is
> non-existent. The Virginia Randolphs were about the
> closest thing
> colonial America had to royalty. I find it hard to
> believe one of them
> could marry and it not be documented in one of the
> multitude of Randolph
> records. However, here's hoping I'm 100% wrong and
> that we can locate
> Stephania who will have a citation for us.
>
>
>
> Here is what I sent her:
>
>
>
> "Dear Stephania:
>
>
>
> I am replying to your Poythress postings on the
> Ancestry.com board. I
> contemplate with great hopes that you have unlocked
> a link I have been
> looking for over a number of years. I will ask the
> questions and make
> the comments below in the anticipation that we can
> each profit from the
> other's information. The Poythress people in
> general left so little
> information and virtually all of it in various legal
> documents so I feel
> like I'm sometimes just building air castles out of
> slips of
> information.
>
>
>
> First, and most important to me, is your call that
> Thomas James
> Poythress was the son of Francis Poythress and Mary
> Randolph.
>
> There are surely enough Francis Poythresses and Mary
> Randolphs about for
> that to happen. In this particular case, I have run
> aground. I find a
> William Randolph IV (1720-1761) m. Anne Harrison and
> they had a daughter
> Mary Randolph whom I am unable to place anywhere.
>
>
>
> I find a Mary Randolph as "representative" of
> Francis Poythress (d. age
> 24) who died before collecting a Rev. War grant for
> service in the 1st
> VA Light Dragoons. This Mary Randoph was the
> sister of the Francis
> Poythress in this record.
>
>
>
> Elsewhere I find a half dozen Mary Randolphs and
> more than a half dozen
> Francis Poythresses but I can't seem to put two of
> them together.
> However, as is the case with the above two, they all
> seem rather "late."
>
>
>
> Can you help me out here with your source and
> perhaps a date or two.
>
>
>
> Second, with respect to Thomas James Poythress (and
> by the way I have
> only seen the middle name from one other researcher
> but that doesn't
> seem worth bothering about), I show the same
> approximate birth date and
> the same family in roughly the same order.
>
>
>
> My guess is that if Thomas is buried in Brunswick
> County instead of
> Burke County, GA they went to a lot of trouble.
> Based on his death
> while the Sheriff of Burke County in 1800 they would
> have buried him
> there, particularly since all of his children by
> that time are either in
> Burke or the part of Burke that split off into
> Screven County, the
> exception being Lewis Poythress who remains in
> Mecklenburg County, VA.
> Son George, quite wealthy in Burke County, moves to
> Jackson County, FL
> shortly before his death.
>
> His will makes a behest to "Lewis, his brother in
> Virginia." Son
> Meredith Poythress, Sr. dies in Screven County and
> may be presumed to be
> buried there. However, Thomas himself was known to
> have made more than
> one trip between Burke County, GA and
> Brunswick/Dinwiddie County, VA so
> a burial in VA is certainly a probability if you
> have data on it.
>
>
>
> Third, at the end of Thomas Poythress' family could
> you find room for
> one Martha Elizabeth Ann Poythress, a late in life
> infant daughter whose
> mother with be the Martha Poythress entrant in the
> 1805 GA Land Lottery?
> Martha Elizabeth Ann would have made the trek to
> Burke County, GA with
> the rest of her family. She could possibily be the
> "qualifier" for the
> entrants in the 1807 land lottery as "Orphans of
> Thomas Poythress",
> having lost her father in 1800 and her mother
> sometime between the 1805
> lottery (where she [the mother] appears to draw
> qualified as a widow)
> and 1907. The death of mother Martha _______ seems
> to logically fit
> into this sequence. Martha Elizabeth Ann Poythress
> presumably later
> marries 1. Dixon and 2. Odom.
>
>
>
> If you could help me by fleshing out any of the
> above with citations
> and/or comments I would be deeply appreciative. And
> if I can furnish
> any of my information to you I would be most pleased
> to do so.
>
>
>
> I realize your primary interest is in Vaughan and
> Williams. Searching
> my library of records, I'm unable to find either of
> these two surnames.
> There is a John Vaughn Wilcox who plays a
> significant role in the
> Poythress family. He marries Susanna Peachy
> Poythress of Flowerdew
> Hundred Plantation. The land passes to the Wilcoxes
> after being in the
> Poythress family for over 200 years. This "hundred"
> has been partially
> reassembled by an historical organization and has
> it's own web site:
>
> www.flowerdewhundred.org
> . I
> mention his name realizing it's a very long shot.
>
>
>
> Kindest regards,
>
>
>
> Maynard Poythress"
>
>
>
>
>
> I'll just put the above on the table for comments,
> suggestions,
> whatever. I suppose the first priority would be to
> locate Stephania
>
> Scott. Anyone: thoughts,observations...even
> "instructions"?
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Thomas "James" PoythressBarbara P. NealMaynard, thanks for alerting us to the info posted by Stephanie Scott.
Hopefully she will locate your response (if you also posted it to the
Ancestry Poythress board that you mentioned) and will respond.

By the way, though, the link you included for Flowerdew Hundred is not
valid at this time. It shows "under construction" but with no reference
to the organization; Google doesn't have a website for them either
currently.

Thanks again, Barbara (BPN)
> 10/2/03 10:19am
John M. Poythress wrote to Poythress-List:
...Flowerdew Hundred Plantation. The land passes to the Wilcoxes
after being in the Poythress family for over 200 years. This "hundred"
has been partially reassembled by an historical organization and has
it's own web site:

www.flowerdewhundred.org 		10/02/2003 5:37:40
Thomas "James" PoythressJohn M. PoythressIn poking about the Ancestry.com site I saw a fairly comprehensive
posting of 10 May 02 from one Stephania Scott. It's title was

"Vaughan and Williams" and that part was embedded in the post which
otherwise had considerable Poythress information. Her email was shown
as huggers@linkabit.com. To my disappointment I was unable to connect
with her because the email address (I suspect) was one of those "ad hoc"
email addresses for the occasion of that particular post.or else she's
changed her address. I looked for Stephania Scott on both the Vaughan
pages and Williams pages with no results.



Her post read for all the world like she was looking over Martha Dixon's
shoulder but she left out a couple of Martha's key elements so likely
she was doing her own thing and I hoped we could obtain some additional
information from this lady.



Stephania posted:



1. Francis Poythress

+ Mary Randolph

2. Thomas James Poythress b: about 1640 Charles City Co. (now
Dinwiddie Co.)

+ Martha _______

3. Lewis Poythress b. 1760/1770 d. Bef 12 Jul 1848

+Rebecca B. Taylor m. 9 Apr 1802 in Mecklenburg County

4. David Poythress

+ Mary Speed Dortch

5. Mary Etta Poythress

+ N. D. Vaughan

6. Mary Vaughan b. 15 Sep 1861

+ George R. Duke

3. George Poythress

3. Meredith Poythress b. 1760

+ Edith Cleaton m. 14 Jul 1781

4. Peter Poythress b. 1782

4. Cleaton Poythress

4. Elizabeth Poythress

3. Thomas Poythress

3. Edward Poythress

3. William Poythress





I sent Stephania the email below with 3 main questions. Obviously,
there is a chance she has more but also obviously her

main interest would seem to be the line of David Poythress/Mary Dortch
which produced the N. D. Vaughan to marry Mary Etta Poythress of her
line. It's likely we have many more questions.



It strikes me that the Godzilla question we have for her is where is the
citation for Francis Poythress m. Mary Randolph as the parents of Thomas
Poythress. That would be a link we're all looking for.



I spent several hours on that search and I'm very much inclined to
believe that the citation for Francis Poythress m. Mary Randolph for a
son Thomas James Poythress is non-existent because the marriage is
non-existent. The Virginia Randolphs were about the closest thing
colonial America had to royalty. I find it hard to believe one of them
could marry and it not be documented in one of the multitude of Randolph
records. However, here's hoping I'm 100% wrong and that we can locate
Stephania who will have a citation for us.



Here is what I sent her:



"Dear Stephania:



I am replying to your Poythress postings on the Ancestry.com board. I
contemplate with great hopes that you have unlocked a link I have been
looking for over a number of years. I will ask the questions and make
the comments below in the anticipation that we can each profit from the
other's information. The Poythress people in general left so little
information and virtually all of it in various legal documents so I feel
like I'm sometimes just building air castles out of slips of
information.



First, and most important to me, is your call that Thomas James
Poythress was the son of Francis Poythress and Mary Randolph.

There are surely enough Francis Poythresses and Mary Randolphs about for
that to happen. In this particular case, I have run aground. I find a
William Randolph IV (1720-1761) m. Anne Harrison and they had a daughter
Mary Randolph whom I am unable to place anywhere.



I find a Mary Randolph as "representative" of Francis Poythress (d. age
24) who died before collecting a Rev. War grant for service in the 1st
VA Light Dragoons. This Mary Randoph was the sister of the Francis
Poythress in this record.



Elsewhere I find a half dozen Mary Randolphs and more than a half dozen
Francis Poythresses but I can't seem to put two of them together.
However, as is the case with the above two, they all seem rather "late."



Can you help me out here with your source and perhaps a date or two.



Second, with respect to Thomas James Poythress (and by the way I have
only seen the middle name from one other researcher but that doesn't
seem worth bothering about), I show the same approximate birth date and
the same family in roughly the same order.



My guess is that if Thomas is buried in Brunswick County instead of
Burke County, GA they went to a lot of trouble. Based on his death
while the Sheriff of Burke County in 1800 they would have buried him
there, particularly since all of his children by that time are either in
Burke or the part of Burke that split off into Screven County, the
exception being Lewis Poythress who remains in Mecklenburg County, VA.
Son George, quite wealthy in Burke County, moves to Jackson County, FL
shortly before his death.

His will makes a behest to "Lewis, his brother in Virginia." Son
Meredith Poythress, Sr. dies in Screven County and may be presumed to be
buried there. However, Thomas himself was known to have made more than
one trip between Burke County, GA and Brunswick/Dinwiddie County, VA so
a burial in VA is certainly a probability if you have data on it.



Third, at the end of Thomas Poythress' family could you find room for
one Martha Elizabeth Ann Poythress, a late in life infant daughter whose
mother with be the Martha Poythress entrant in the 1805 GA Land Lottery?
Martha Elizabeth Ann would have made the trek to Burke County, GA with
the rest of her family. She could possibily be the "qualifier" for the
entrants in the 1807 land lottery as "Orphans of Thomas Poythress",
having lost her father in 1800 and her mother sometime between the 1805
lottery (where she [the mother] appears to draw qualified as a widow)
and 1907. The death of mother Martha _______ seems to logically fit
into this sequence. Martha Elizabeth Ann Poythress presumably later
marries 1. Dixon and 2. Odom.



If you could help me by fleshing out any of the above with citations
and/or comments I would be deeply appreciative. And if I can furnish
any of my information to you I would be most pleased to do so.



I realize your primary interest is in Vaughan and Williams. Searching
my library of records, I'm unable to find either of these two surnames.
There is a John Vaughn Wilcox who plays a significant role in the
Poythress family. He marries Susanna Peachy Poythress of Flowerdew
Hundred Plantation. The land passes to the Wilcoxes after being in the
Poythress family for over 200 years. This "hundred" has been partially
reassembled by an historical organization and has it's own web site:

www.flowerdewhundred.org . I
mention his name realizing it's a very long shot.



Kindest regards,



Maynard Poythress"





I'll just put the above on the table for comments, suggestions,
whatever. I suppose the first priority would be to locate Stephania

Scott. Anyone: thoughts,observations...even "instructions"?



Maynard		10/02/2003 6:19:48
Oak Hill Bapt Ch CemJohn M. PoythressElaine, I'll take a crack at identifying some of these folks as best I
can. They, or most of them, are most certainly ours.

Cemetery- Jenkins County-Millen, Ga.-Oak Hill Baptist Church

Some Poythress gravesites....collected by John M. Poythress & Bud
Poythress, Summer 1997. (Photos in files)

SIDNEY Son of Nathaniel Harper Poythress
and Rachel Flake Poythress, decided
PAYTHRESS to just spell the name differently I
suppose.or maybe the enumerator
June 16, 1889 gave him the "a."
Feb. 26, 1916
Asleep in Jesus
Blessed Sleep

ARTHUR ditto above
PAYTHRESS
June 6, 1896
Mar. 19, 1922
Gone But Not
Forgotten

JAMES T. ditto above
POYTHRESS
FEB. 27, 1887
MAR.31,1924

RACHEL F. POYTHRESS Rachel Flake Poythress
BORN MAY 1860
DIED OCT. 8, 1938

IN MEMORY OF Nathaniel Harper
Poythress
MY HUS. N. H.
POYTHRESS
JUNE 7, 1861
JAN. 6, 1908
There will be
no sorrow there

MABEL E. ?
POYTHRESS
MAR. 1, 1913

GORDON E. ?
POYTHRESS
AUG. 20, 1912
AUG. 19, 1972

OUR MOTHER ?
LUCY LIVELY DALEY
POYTHRESS
AUG. 20, 1867
JAN. 28, 1966

MARTHA ?
WIFE OF
_____ POYTHRESS
MAR. 19, 1871
JUNE. 24, 1909

LEE A. POYTHRESS See below
DEC. 25, 1861
JAN. 6,1938

INFANT DAUGHTER
OF daughter of
above
L. A. & S. P.
POYTHRESS
JUNE 24, 1909
JULY 10, 1909







Lee Andrew (or by any variation on the name) is an old friend who shows
up faithfully on the census and seems easily

identifiable. He is a son that will be born to John White Poythress
and Mary Ann (Thompson) on Christmas, 1861. John (White) Poythress is a
son of Meredith Poythress, Sr. and Hester Wilder Mock, thereby making
him an ancestor of some description to Bud.



This family is Screven HH 406 in 1850, HH 141 in 1860, HH 705 when Lee
first shows as age 7 in 1870, HH 435 at age 17 in

1880; he disappears from the census until 1930 when he shows in Emanuel
County HH 15 (Millen family) at age 69. He dies in 1938 per the
tombstone above.





Nathanial Harper Poythress and Rachel Flake Poythress is the line I
believe Debbie is searching. It is also Doris' line as a child of this
marriage (Effie G.) is Doris' grandmother. Also a child of this
marriage is William D. Poythress (HH 15 in Emanuel County in 1930).
According to Doris, most of the rest of this family is buried at
Hawhammock Cemetery in Emanuel County, GA. No one seems to be able to
identify the father of N. H. Poythress.



I have digitalized photos of all the Poythress/Paythress graves in this
cemetery if anyone wants them.



Maynard		10/02/2003 9:44:03
Re: Francis Poythress/Ohio Land RecordskoswcartistElaine,
Did you figure out what county or town in ohio is this land? I couldnt from
the message you sent. Also I am surprised that it was listed as an even 600
acres. Some of the patents in the land grant act were 640 acres [1/4 of a
square mile]...maybe that is because of the nature of the hills. out west it
is much easier to measure of square miles and quarter miles.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:10 PM
Subject: Francis Poythress/Ohio Land Records


> I ran across this today. First I have heard of Poythresses, in Ohio.
>
> Massie, Henry
> Poythress, Francis
>
> Land Office - Ohio
>
> Document # -4256
>
> Canceled Document - NO
>
> Survey Date - 1802/06/2
>
> Multiple Warantee Names - Yes
>
> Multiple Patentee Names - No
>
> Total Acres - 600
>
> Signature - Yes
>
> Issue Date - April 16, 1822
>
> Metes and Bounds - yes
>
> Statutory Reference - 1 Stat. 82
>
> Act of Treaty - August 10, 1790
>
> Entry Classification - Script Warrant Act of 1790
>
> Remarks - Jesse Chandler MWN 4482
>
>
> Take care,
> Elaine
>
>
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>		10/02/2003 9:48:27
Francis Poythress/Ohio Land RecordsI ran across this today. First I have heard of Poythresses, in Ohio.

Massie, Henry
Poythress, Francis

Land Office - Ohio

Document # -4256

Canceled Document - NO

Survey Date - 1802/06/2

Multiple Warantee Names - Yes

Multiple Patentee Names - No

Total Acres - 600

Signature - Yes

Issue Date - April 16, 1822

Metes and Bounds - yes

Statutory Reference - 1 Stat. 82

Act of Treaty - August 10, 1790

Entry Classification - Script Warrant Act of 1790

Remarks - Jesse Chandler MWN 4482


Take care,
Elaine		10/02/2003 10:10:54
Re: Re:Oak Hill Bapt Ch CemkoswcartistThat item on Poythress vs Paythress could have been a stonecutter error.
since it was so expensive to re do a whole stone they may have let it ride
and error got compounded over time...Original person who ordered the first
stone probably didnt want to go thru the expense of a new stone and or the
recutting of the name. As you probably have realized ....we just about
answer to anything. "Call me anything but please call me for
supper"...Patti P. Koscheski
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:17 PM
Subject: Re:Oak Hill Bapt Ch Cem


> Thanks Maynard. Here is a little additional information on these folks.
>
> Gordon is son of Lee A. Poythress (in HH of Lee A. in 1920 {will be added
to
> final of GA portion of project} and 1930 Jenkins Co. GA census. Lucy
Lively
> Daily Poythress is wife of Lee A. Poythress.You will see that in the
> corrected/final of the Census Project,
> which has a step-daughter, Blanche Daily living in the HH of Lee A. and
Lucy
> Poythress
> in Jenkins Co., GA. I would agree, the Lee A. Poythress buried in this
> cemetery, is the Lee/LeAndrew Poythress in Screven County, GA in the 1870
and 1880
> census, in the HH
> of John White Poythress. I will check 1900 Emanuel to see if I can flush a
> few of the others out. Thanks for the tip, on where they may have gone.
Also, I
> found Lee A. Poythress in Jenkins County in 1910, alone, apparently not
yet
> married to Lucy Lively Daily. It looks like he is listed as widowed, but
it is
> very smudged. This will also be include in the corrected/final of the
project.
>
> See note below in {( )}
>
> Take care,
> Elaine
>
>
> Elaine, I'll take a crack at identifying some of these folks as best I
> can. They, or most of them, are most certainly ours.
>
> Cemetery- Jenkins County-Millen, Ga.-Oak Hill Baptist Church
>
> Some Poythress gravesites....collected by John M. Poythress & Bud
> Poythress, Summer 1997. (Photos in files)
>
> SIDNEY Son of Nathaniel Harper Poythress
> and Rachel Flake Poythress, decided
> PAYTHRESS to just spell the name differently I
> suppose.or maybe the enumerator
> June 16, 1889 gave him the "a."
> Feb. 26, 1916
> Asleep in Jesus
> Blessed Sleep
>
> ARTHUR ditto above
> PAYTHRESS
> June 6, 1896
> Mar. 19, 1922
> Gone But Not
> Forgotten
>
> JAMES T. ditto above
> POYTHRESS
> FEB. 27, 1887
> MAR.31,1924
>
> RACHEL F. POYTHRESS Rachel Flake Poythress
> BORN MAY 1860
> DIED OCT. 8, 1938
>
> IN MEMORY OF Nathaniel Harper
> Poythress
> MY HUS. N. H.
> POYTHRESS
> JUNE 7, 1861
> JAN. 6, 1908
> There will be
> no sorrow there
>
> MABEL E. ?
> POYTHRESS
> MAR. 1, 1913
>
> GORDON E. ?
> POYTHRESS
> AUG. 20, 1912
> AUG. 19, 1972
>
> OUR MOTHER ?
> LUCY LIVELY DALEY
> POYTHRESS
> AUG. 20, 1867
> JAN. 28, 1966
>
> MARTHA ?
> WIFE OF
> _____ POYTHRESS
> MAR. 19, 1871
> JUNE. 24, 1909
>
> LEE A. POYTHRESS See below
> DEC. 25, 1861
> JAN. 6,1938
>
> INFANT DAUGHTER
> OF daughter of
> above
> L. A. & S. P.
> POYTHRESS
> JUNE 24, 1909
> JULY 10, 1909
>
>
> Lee Andrew (or by any variation on the name) is an old friend who shows
> up faithfully on the census and seems easily
> identifiable. He is a son that will be born to John White Poythress
> and Mary Ann (Thompson) on Christmas, 1861. John (White) Poythress is a
> son of Meredith Poythress, Sr. and Hester Wilder Mock, thereby making
> him an ancestor of some description to Bud.
>
>
>
> This family is Screven HH 406 in 1850, HH 141 in 1860, HH 705 when Lee
> first shows as age 7 in 1870, HH 435 at age 17 in
>
> 1880; he disappears from the census until 1930 when he shows in Emanuel
> County HH 15 (Millen family) at age 69. He dies in 1938 per the
> tombstone above.
> {(Maynard I find him, if we are talking about Lee A.Poythress, as head of
HH
> 197 in Jenkins County not Emanual County, GA)}
>
>
>
>
> Nathanial Harper Poythress and Rachel Flake Poythress is the line I
> believe Debbie is searching. It is also Doris' line as a child of this
> marriage (Effie G.) is Doris' grandmother. Also a child of this
> marriage is William D. Poythress (HH 15 in Emanuel County in 1930).
> According to Doris, most of the rest of this family is buried at
> Hawhammock Cemetery in Emanuel County, GA. No one seems to be able to
> identify the father of N. H. Poythress.
>
>
>
> I have digitalized photos of all the Poythress/Paythress graves in this
> cemetery if anyone wants them.
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
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>		10/02/2003 12:13:02
Re:Oak Hill Bapt Ch CemThanks Maynard. Here is a little additional information on these folks.

Gordon is son of Lee A. Poythress (in HH of Lee A. in 1920 {will be added to
final of GA portion of project} and 1930 Jenkins Co. GA census. Lucy Lively
Daily Poythress is wife of Lee A. Poythress.You will see that in the
corrected/final of the Census Project,
which has a step-daughter, Blanche Daily living in the HH of Lee A. and Lucy
Poythress
in Jenkins Co., GA. I would agree, the Lee A. Poythress buried in this
cemetery, is the Lee/LeAndrew Poythress in Screven County, GA in the 1870 and 1880
census, in the HH
of John White Poythress. I will check 1900 Emanuel to see if I can flush a
few of the others out. Thanks for the tip, on where they may have gone. Also, I
found Lee A. Poythress in Jenkins County in 1910, alone, apparently not yet
married to Lucy Lively Daily. It looks like he is listed as widowed, but it is
very smudged. This will also be include in the corrected/final of the project.

See note below in {( )}

Take care,
Elaine


Elaine, I'll take a crack at identifying some of these folks as best I
can.  They, or most of them, are most certainly ours.

Cemetery- Jenkins County-Millen, Ga.-Oak Hill Baptist Church

Some Poythress gravesites....collected by John M. Poythress & Bud
Poythress,  Summer 1997.  (Photos in files)

       SIDNEY                          Son of Nathaniel Harper Poythress
and Rachel Flake Poythress, decided
PAYTHRESS                          to just spell the name differently I
suppose.or maybe the enumerator
June 16, 1889                          gave him the "a."
Feb. 26, 1916
Asleep in Jesus
Blessed Sleep

      ARTHUR                         ditto above
PAYTHRESS
June 6, 1896
Mar. 19, 1922
Gone But Not
Forgotten

      JAMES T.                        ditto above
POYTHRESS
FEB. 27, 1887
MAR.31,1924

RACHEL F. POYTHRESS                      Rachel Flake Poythress
       BORN MAY  1860
       DIED  OCT. 8, 1938

IN MEMORY OF                                    Nathaniel Harper
Poythress
MY HUS. N. H.
POYTHRESS
JUNE 7, 1861
JAN. 6, 1908
There will be
no sorrow there

MABEL E.                                                         ?
POYTHRESS
MAR. 1, 1913

GORDON E.                                                      ?
POYTHRESS
AUG. 20, 1912
AUG. 19, 1972

        OUR MOTHER                                          ?
LUCY LIVELY DALEY
          POYTHRESS
         AUG. 20, 1867
         JAN. 28, 1966

          MARTHA                                                 ?
           WIFE OF
   _____ POYTHRESS
        MAR. 19, 1871
       JUNE.  24, 1909

LEE A. POYTHRESS                             See below
       DEC. 25, 1861
       JAN. 6,1938

INFANT DAUGHTER
                OF                                        daughter of
above
        L. A. & S. P.
      POYTHRESS
JUNE 24, 1909
JULY 10, 1909


Lee Andrew (or by any variation on the name) is an old friend who shows
up faithfully on the census and seems easily
identifiable.   He is a son that will be born to John White Poythress
and Mary Ann (Thompson) on Christmas, 1861.  John (White) Poythress is a
son of Meredith Poythress, Sr. and Hester Wilder Mock, thereby making
him an ancestor of some description to Bud.



This family is Screven HH 406 in 1850, HH 141 in 1860, HH 705 when Lee
first shows as age 7 in 1870, HH 435 at age 17 in

1880; he disappears from the census until 1930 when he shows in Emanuel
County HH 15 (Millen family) at age 69.  He dies in 1938 per the
tombstone above.
{(Maynard I find him, if we are talking about Lee A.Poythress, as head of HH
197 in Jenkins County not Emanual County, GA)}




Nathanial Harper Poythress and Rachel Flake Poythress is the line I
believe Debbie is searching.  It is also Doris' line as a child of this
marriage (Effie G.) is Doris' grandmother.  Also a child of this
marriage is William D. Poythress (HH 15 in Emanuel County in 1930).
According to Doris, most of the rest of this family is buried at
Hawhammock Cemetery in Emanuel County, GA.   No one seems to be able to
identify the father of N. H. Poythress.  



I have digitalized photos of all the Poythress/Paythress graves in this
cemetery if anyone wants them.



Maynard		10/02/2003 12:17:20
Oak Hill Bap Ch CemDebbie Poythress-ConcepcionBelow was listed in Maynard's last email to the list:

"Nathanial Harper Poythress and Rachel Flake Poythress is the line I
believe Debbie is searching. It is also Doris' line as a child of this
marriage (Effie G.) is Doris' grandmother. Also a child of this
marriage is William D. Poythress (HH 15 in Emanuel County in 1930).
According to Doris, most of the rest of this family is buried at
Hawhammock Cemetery in Emanuel County, GA. No one seems to be able to
identify the father of N. H. Poythress."

I know for sure Doris is researching this line. I, however, am not at this
point. My brickwall is William E. Poythress, who married Martha J. Usher, in
Screven Co, GA. I have found no connection to N.H. Poythress at this point
nor to Emanuel Co.
I know other branches of my family - female lines, come out of Effingham,
Emauel, & Jenkins Cos, but nothing relating to my Poythresses (only Chatham
Co for a couple of Wm's sons later on).
If you have something that does connect Wm E. to N.H. I'd love to see it.

Thought I'd give you an update on where I am right now.

Thanks for keeping me in mind.

Debbie

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RE: Thomas "James" PoythressRandy JonesA web search shows that only a Stephania Scott
(huggers@linkabit.com) has six databases online with
exactly this same information. Again with no
documentation nor any parentage for either Francis
Poythress or Mary Randolph.

Considering the prominance of these two families, and
the documentation on them available, I am very
skeptical of this marriage.

I have just written her and asked her for her sources.

-- Randy Jones

--- "John M. Poythress" wrote:
> Randy....oops....didn't check this one. Obviously,
> she meant 1740, not
> 1640. Thanks for checking. Would be very
> interested in your take on
> this one.
>
> Best,
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Jones [mailto:randyj2222@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:15 PM
> To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Thomas "James" Poythress
>
> The line below shows Thomas Poythress at age 120
> fathering sons Lewis and Meredith. This is
> obviously
> impossible and indicates there were at least one and
> possibly two intervening generations, either before
> or
> after Thomas.
>
> -- Randy Jones
>
> --- "John M. Poythress"
> wrote:
> > In poking about the Ancestry.com site I saw a
> fairly
> > comprehensive
> > posting of 10 May 02 from one Stephania Scott.
> It's
> > title was
> >
> > "Vaughan and Williams" and that part was embedded
> in
> > the post which
> > otherwise had considerable Poythress information.
> > Her email was shown
> > as huggers@linkabit.com. To my disappointment I
> was
> > unable to connect
> > with her because the email address (I suspect) was
> > one of those "ad hoc"
> > email addresses for the occasion of that
> particular
> > post.or else she's
> > changed her address. I looked for Stephania Scott
> > on both the Vaughan
> > pages and Williams pages with no results.
> >
> >
> >
> > Her post read for all the world like she was
> looking
> > over Martha Dixon's
> > shoulder but she left out a couple of Martha's key
> > elements so likely
> > she was doing her own thing and I hoped we could
> > obtain some additional
> > information from this lady.
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephania posted:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. Francis Poythress
> >
> > + Mary Randolph
> >
> > 2. Thomas James Poythress b: about 1640 Charles
> > City Co. (now
> > Dinwiddie Co.)
> >
> > + Martha _______
> >
> > 3. Lewis Poythress b. 1760/1770 d. Bef
> 12
> > Jul 1848
> >
> > +Rebecca B. Taylor m. 9 Apr 1802 in
> > Mecklenburg County
> >
> > 4. David Poythress
> >
> > + Mary Speed Dortch
> >
> > 5. Mary Etta Poythress
> >
> > + N. D. Vaughan
> >
> > 6. Mary Vaughan b.
> 15
> > Sep 1861
> >
> > + George R. Duke
> >
> > 3. George Poythress
> >
> > 3. Meredith Poythress b. 1760
> >
> > + Edith Cleaton m. 14 Jul 1781
> >
> > 4. Peter Poythress b. 1782
> >
> > 4. Cleaton Poythress
> >
> > 4. Elizabeth Poythress
> >
> > 3. Thomas Poythress
> >
> > 3. Edward Poythress
> >
> > 3. William Poythress
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I sent Stephania the email below with 3 main
> > questions. Obviously,
> > there is a chance she has more but also obviously
> > her
> >
> > main interest would seem to be the line of David
> > Poythress/Mary Dortch
> > which produced the N. D. Vaughan to marry Mary
> Etta
> > Poythress of her
> > line. It's likely we have many more questions.
> >
> >
> >
> > It strikes me that the Godzilla question we have
> for
> > her is where is the
> > citation for Francis Poythress m. Mary Randolph as
> > the parents of Thomas
> > Poythress. That would be a link we're all looking
> > for.
> >
> >
> >
> > I spent several hours on that search and I'm very
> > much inclined to
> > believe that the citation for Francis Poythress m.
> > Mary Randolph for a
> > son Thomas James Poythress is non-existent because
> > the marriage is
> > non-existent. The Virginia Randolphs were about
> the
> > closest thing
> > colonial America had to royalty. I find it hard
> to
> > believe one of them
> > could marry and it not be documented in one of the
> > multitude of Randolph
> > records. However, here's hoping I'm 100% wrong
> and
> > that we can locate
> > Stephania who will have a citation for us.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is what I sent her:
> >
> >
> >
> > "Dear Stephania:
> >
> >
> >
> > I am replying to your Poythress postings on the
> > Ancestry.com board. I
> > contemplate with great hopes that you have
> unlocked
> > a link I have been
> > looking for over a number of years. I will ask
> the
> > questions and make
> > the comments below in the anticipation that we can
> > each profit from the
> > other's information. The Poythress people in
> > general left so little
> > information and virtually all of it in various
> legal
> > documents so I feel
> > like I'm sometimes just building air castles out
> of
> > slips of
> > information.
> >
> >
> >
> > First, and most important to me, is your call that
> > Thomas James
> > Poythress was the son of Francis Poythress and
> Mary
> > Randolph.
> >
> > There are surely enough Francis Poythresses and
> Mary
> > Randolphs about for
> > that to happen. In this particular case, I have
> run
> > aground. I find a
> > William Randolph IV (1720-1761) m. Anne Harrison
> and
> > they had a daughter
> > Mary Randolph whom I am unable to place anywhere.
> >
> >
> >
> > I find a Mary Randolph as "representative" of
> > Francis Poythress (d. age
> > 24) who died before collecting a Rev. War grant
> for
> > service in the 1st
> > VA Light Dragoons. This Mary Randoph was the
> > sister of the Francis
> > Poythress in this record.
> >
> >
> >
> > Elsewhere I find a half dozen Mary Randolphs and
> > more than a half dozen
> > Francis Poythresses but I can't seem to put two of
> > them together.
> > However, as is the case with the above two, they
> all
> > seem rather "late."
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you help me out here with your source and
> > perhaps a date or two.
> >
> >
> >
> > Second, with respect to Thomas James Poythress
> (and
> > by the way I have
> > only seen the middle name from one other
> researcher
> > but that doesn't
> > seem worth bothering about), I show the same
> > approximate birth date and
> > the same family in roughly the same order.
> >
> >
> >
> > My guess is that if Thomas is buried in Brunswick
> > County instead of
> > Burke County, GA they went to a lot of trouble.
> > Based on his death
> > while the Sheriff of Burke County in 1800 they
> would
> > have buried him
> > there, particularly since all of his children by
> > that time are either in
> > Burke or the part of Burke that split off into
> > Screven County, the
> > exception being Lewis Poythress who remains in
> > Mecklenburg County, VA.
> > Son George, quite wealthy in Burke County, moves
> to
> > Jackson County, FL
> > shortly before his death.
> >
> > His will makes a behest to "Lewis, his brother in
> > Virginia." Son
> > Meredith Poythress, Sr. dies in Screven County and
> > may be presumed to be
> > buried there. However, Thomas himself was known
> to
> > have made more than
> > one trip between Burke County, GA and
> > Brunswick/Dinwiddie County, VA so
> > a burial in VA is certainly a probability if you
> > have data on it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Third, at the end of Thomas Poythress' family
> could
> > you find room for
> > one Martha Elizabeth Ann Poythress, a late in life
> > infant daughter whose
> > mother with be the Martha Poythress entrant in the
> > 1805 GA Land Lottery?
> > Martha Elizabeth Ann would have made the trek to
> > Burke County, GA with
> > the rest of her family. She could possibily be
> the
> > "qualifier" for the
> > entrants in the 1807 land lottery as "Orphans of
> > Thomas Poythress",
> > having lost her father in 1800 and her mother
> > sometime between the 1805
> > lottery (where she [the mother] appears to draw
> > qualified as a widow)
> > and 1907. The death of mother Martha _______
> seems
> > to logically fit
> > into this sequence. Martha Elizabeth Ann
> Poythress
> > presumably later
> > marries 1. Dixon and 2. Odom.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you could help me by fleshing out any of the
> > above with citations
> > and/or comments I would be deeply appreciative.
> And
> > if I can furnish
> > any of my information to you I would be most
> pleased
> > to do so.
> >
> >
> >
> > I realize your primary interest is in Vaughan and
> > Williams. Searching
> > my library of records, I'm unable to find either
> of
> > these two surnames.
> > There is a John Vaughn Wilcox who plays a
> > significant role in the
> > Poythress family. He marries Susanna Peachy
> > Poythress of Flowerdew
> > Hundred Plantation. The land passes to the
> Wilcoxes
> > after being in the
> > Poythress family for over 200 years. This
> "hundred"
> > has been partially
> > reassembled by an historical organization and has
> > it's own web site:
> >
> > www.flowerdewhundred.org
> > . I
> > mention his name realizing it's a very long shot.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kindest regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Maynard Poythress"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll just put the above on the table for comments,
> > suggestions,
> > whatever. I suppose the first priority would be
> to
> > locate Stephania
> >
> > Scott. Anyone: thoughts,observations...even
> > "instructions"?
> >
> >
> >
> > Maynard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Poythress-Randolph JonesRandy JonesWell, guess what? The person spreading the
Poythress-Randolph linkage has an email address that
doesn't work (huggers@linkabit.com). Irresponsible.
So the best I can do is leave a post-it note and hope
it gets to her.

-- Randy Jones

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10/03/2003 4:06:38
RE: Thomas "James" PoythressJohn M. PoythressRandy....oops....didn't check this one. Obviously, she meant 1740, not
1640. Thanks for checking. Would be very interested in your take on
this one.

Best,

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Jones [mailto:randyj2222@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:15 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Thomas "James" Poythress

The line below shows Thomas Poythress at age 120
fathering sons Lewis and Meredith. This is obviously
impossible and indicates there were at least one and
possibly two intervening generations, either before or
after Thomas.

-- Randy Jones

--- "John M. Poythress" wrote:
> In poking about the Ancestry.com site I saw a fairly
> comprehensive
> posting of 10 May 02 from one Stephania Scott. It's
> title was
>
> "Vaughan and Williams" and that part was embedded in
> the post which
> otherwise had considerable Poythress information.
> Her email was shown
> as huggers@linkabit.com. To my disappointment I was
> unable to connect
> with her because the email address (I suspect) was
> one of those "ad hoc"
> email addresses for the occasion of that particular
> post.or else she's
> changed her address. I looked for Stephania Scott
> on both the Vaughan
> pages and Williams pages with no results.
>
>
>
> Her post read for all the world like she was looking
> over Martha Dixon's
> shoulder but she left out a couple of Martha's key
> elements so likely
> she was doing her own thing and I hoped we could
> obtain some additional
> information from this lady.
>
>
>
> Stephania posted:
>
>
>
> 1. Francis Poythress
>
> + Mary Randolph
>
> 2. Thomas James Poythress b: about 1640 Charles
> City Co. (now
> Dinwiddie Co.)
>
> + Martha _______
>
> 3. Lewis Poythress b. 1760/1770 d. Bef 12
> Jul 1848
>
> +Rebecca B. Taylor m. 9 Apr 1802 in
> Mecklenburg County
>
> 4. David Poythress
>
> + Mary Speed Dortch
>
> 5. Mary Etta Poythress
>
> + N. D. Vaughan
>
> 6. Mary Vaughan b. 15
> Sep 1861
>
> + George R. Duke
>
> 3. George Poythress
>
> 3. Meredith Poythress b. 1760
>
> + Edith Cleaton m. 14 Jul 1781
>
> 4. Peter Poythress b. 1782
>
> 4. Cleaton Poythress
>
> 4. Elizabeth Poythress
>
> 3. Thomas Poythress
>
> 3. Edward Poythress
>
> 3. William Poythress
>
>
>
>
>
> I sent Stephania the email below with 3 main
> questions. Obviously,
> there is a chance she has more but also obviously
> her
>
> main interest would seem to be the line of David
> Poythress/Mary Dortch
> which produced the N. D. Vaughan to marry Mary Etta
> Poythress of her
> line. It's likely we have many more questions.
>
>
>
> It strikes me that the Godzilla question we have for
> her is where is the
> citation for Francis Poythress m. Mary Randolph as
> the parents of Thomas
> Poythress. That would be a link we're all looking
> for.
>
>
>
> I spent several hours on that search and I'm very
> much inclined to
> believe that the citation for Francis Poythress m.
> Mary Randolph for a
> son Thomas James Poythress is non-existent because
> the marriage is
> non-existent. The Virginia Randolphs were about the
> closest thing
> colonial America had to royalty. I find it hard to
> believe one of them
> could marry and it not be documented in one of the
> multitude of Randolph
> records. However, here's hoping I'm 100% wrong and
> that we can locate
> Stephania who will have a citation for us.
>
>
>
> Here is what I sent her:
>
>
>
> "Dear Stephania:
>
>
>
> I am replying to your Poythress postings on the
> Ancestry.com board. I
> contemplate with great hopes that you have unlocked
> a link I have been
> looking for over a number of years. I will ask the
> questions and make
> the comments below in the anticipation that we can
> each profit from the
> other's information. The Poythress people in
> general left so little
> information and virtually all of it in various legal
> documents so I feel
> like I'm sometimes just building air castles out of
> slips of
> information.
>
>
>
> First, and most important to me, is your call that
> Thomas James
> Poythress was the son of Francis Poythress and Mary
> Randolph.
>
> There are surely enough Francis Poythresses and Mary
> Randolphs about for
> that to happen. In this particular case, I have run
> aground. I find a
> William Randolph IV (1720-1761) m. Anne Harrison and
> they had a daughter
> Mary Randolph whom I am unable to place anywhere.
>
>
>
> I find a Mary Randolph as "representative" of
> Francis Poythress (d. age
> 24) who died before collecting a Rev. War grant for
> service in the 1st
> VA Light Dragoons. This Mary Randoph was the
> sister of the Francis
> Poythress in this record.
>
>
>
> Elsewhere I find a half dozen Mary Randolphs and
> more than a half dozen
> Francis Poythresses but I can't seem to put two of
> them together.
> However, as is the case with the above two, they all
> seem rather "late."
>
>
>
> Can you help me out here with your source and
> perhaps a date or two.
>
>
>
> Second, with respect to Thomas James Poythress (and
> by the way I have
> only seen the middle name from one other researcher
> but that doesn't
> seem worth bothering about), I show the same
> approximate birth date and
> the same family in roughly the same order.
>
>
>
> My guess is that if Thomas is buried in Brunswick
> County instead of
> Burke County, GA they went to a lot of trouble.
> Based on his death
> while the Sheriff of Burke County in 1800 they would
> have buried him
> there, particularly since all of his children by
> that time are either in
> Burke or the part of Burke that split off into
> Screven County, the
> exception being Lewis Poythress who remains in
> Mecklenburg County, VA.
> Son George, quite wealthy in Burke County, moves to
> Jackson County, FL
> shortly before his death.
>
> His will makes a behest to "Lewis, his brother in
> Virginia." Son
> Meredith Poythress, Sr. dies in Screven County and
> may be presumed to be
> buried there. However, Thomas himself was known to
> have made more than
> one trip between Burke County, GA and
> Brunswick/Dinwiddie County, VA so
> a burial in VA is certainly a probability if you
> have data on it.
>
>
>
> Third, at the end of Thomas Poythress' family could
> you find room for
> one Martha Elizabeth Ann Poythress, a late in life
> infant daughter whose
> mother with be the Martha Poythress entrant in the
> 1805 GA Land Lottery?
> Martha Elizabeth Ann would have made the trek to
> Burke County, GA with
> the rest of her family. She could possibily be the
> "qualifier" for the
> entrants in the 1807 land lottery as "Orphans of
> Thomas Poythress",
> having lost her father in 1800 and her mother
> sometime between the 1805
> lottery (where she [the mother] appears to draw
> qualified as a widow)
> and 1907. The death of mother Martha _______ seems
> to logically fit
> into this sequence. Martha Elizabeth Ann Poythress
> presumably later
> marries 1. Dixon and 2. Odom.
>
>
>
> If you could help me by fleshing out any of the
> above with citations
> and/or comments I would be deeply appreciative. And
> if I can furnish
> any of my information to you I would be most pleased
> to do so.
>
>
>
> I realize your primary interest is in Vaughan and
> Williams. Searching
> my library of records, I'm unable to find either of
> these two surnames.
> There is a John Vaughn Wilcox who plays a
> significant role in the
> Poythress family. He marries Susanna Peachy
> Poythress of Flowerdew
> Hundred Plantation. The land passes to the Wilcoxes
> after being in the
> Poythress family for over 200 years. This "hundred"
> has been partially
> reassembled by an historical organization and has
> it's own web site:
>
> www.flowerdewhundred.org
> . I
> mention his name realizing it's a very long shot.
>
>
>
> Kindest regards,
>
>
>
> Maynard Poythress"
>
>
>
>
>
> I'll just put the above on the table for comments,
> suggestions,
> whatever. I suppose the first priority would be to
> locate Stephania
>
> Scott. Anyone: thoughts,observations...even
> "instructions"?
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Addition to the Oak Hill Cem. informationOne other Poythress, that I know of, is also buried there in an unmarked
grave: That of ---

Charles M. Poythress (b. 11/25/1859 & d. 6/22/1939) and Charles's wife
was
Molly Wallace, but I have no further information on her. But both buried
in Oak Hill Baptist Church Cemetery. They had NO children,
and obviously no one had markers placed there!


Charles is/was also a younger brother to my grandfather, William H. Poythress
and an older brother to Lee Alexander Poythress.

So, just for general information, the John White Poythress family is as
follows:

John White POYTHRESS son of: Meredith Poythress, (Jr).
b. 1/13/1821 in Screven Co., GA
d. -?- He died before 1900 Screven Co., GA (believed buried in Mizpha
Methodist Church Cemetery, near Newington, GA - but
in Effingham County).

Married 1st: (2/15/1844) Mary Ann Margaret {Wilder} (his 1st cousin!) d/o
John Hinson & Mary {Porter} Wilder. John Hinson was John White's "uncle" and
brother to John White's mother). Mary Ann was b. 6/13/1820 in Monticello, FL; &
d. - ? - 'believed' she died in Screven Co., GA, and to be buried w/John at
Mizpah Methodist Church Cemetery – which is in actually located in Effingham
County, but near Newington, GA.

Children:
1) Mary H. {P} Rushing, (b. & d. ? ), (believed to have married a
Rushing)
2) Sarah Elizabeth Poythress, (b.? 1826 & d. ?)
3) William H Poythress, (b. 12/15/1848 & d. 6/5/1927), (m. Janie
Elizabeth Hutchinson).
4) John H. Poythress -?-
5) Henrietta {Poythress} Coker, (b. & d.? young); (married James
Calhoun Coker) & they had 2 sons, Perry and John Henry
Coker).
6) Viola {Poythress} Coker, (b. 11/20/1857 & d. 9/21/1945;
married her brother- in-law, and widower, James C. Coker (after
her sister Henrietta died) and they had at least 1
daughter Ethel Coker, who mar. Jeremiah Arnsdolf)
7) Charles M. Poythress, (b. 11/25/1859 & d. 6/22/1939) married
Molly Wallace - they had NO children.
8) Lee Alexander Poythress, (b. 12/25/1861 & d. 1/6/1938) m. 1st
- Sarah Penelope Lightfoot: (b 3/19/1871 & d.
6/24/1909), they had 1 child that died at birth in 1909; &
m. 2nd (the widow) Lucy Lively Daley, (b.
8/20/1867 & d. 1/28/1966. Lee & Lucy Lively had '1' son, Gordon Elmo
Poythress.

John White Poythress - Married 2nd (between 1880 & '82): Martha
Virgin(ia) FLAKE, b. 7/29/1852 (as 1 of twins – with a brother, James
Lewis Flake) in Screven Co. & d. abt. 1915 in Screven Co., GA
(believed buried Mizpah Methodist Church Cemetery, near Newington but actually
in Effingham County.

Children (by this 2nd marriage):
1) Magnolia [P] Pitts, (b. 1/18/1883 & d. 2/11/1945); married
James Thomas Pitts, both are buried North Newington
Baptist Church Cemetery.
2) Frank P., b. 11/22/1885 & d. 9/18/1977) - (Frank was also 1
of twins but only 1 survived)- buried with the James
Thomas Pitts family.

Bud Poythress		10/03/2003 7:17:47
RE: Poythress-Randolph JonesJohn M. PoythressYep, I tried the dead email too. Then, since her "title" page reads
help me find my Vaughans and Williamses I tried both of those with
Google. Left word with the list administrator at Vaughans to have her
email me.

Thanks,

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Jones [mailto:randyj2222@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 12:07 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Poythress-Randolph Jones

Well, guess what? The person spreading the
Poythress-Randolph linkage has an email address that
doesn't work (huggers@linkabit.com). Irresponsible.
So the best I can do is leave a post-it note and hope
it gets to her.

-- Randy Jones

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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		10/03/2003 8:07:39
Bruce Porter & Crystal Rose - Are you here?Barbara P. NealPlease, Bruce Porter & Crystal Rose, if you are following the
Poythress-List these days, I need to hear from you about a Poythress
Bible that we saw (& that BPW photographed that night) at our "Poythress
Dinner" in Richmond, VA in May 1999.

Please contact me off-List if you prefer.

Thanks!
Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net		10/04/2003 10:37:49
Re: PS Frank and Leonard Talmadge PoythressI knew that name Talmadge, sounded familiar. The line you are looking for is
part of the Thomas M. Poythress and Lewis Poythress line, I believe. Lyn
Baird another list member is also of this line. Leonard Talmadge is the son of
James David and Lucy Cannon Mosley. James David is the son of Thomas M. Poythress
(Mecklenburg, VA) and Lucy J. Thomas and Thomas M. is the son of Lewis
Poythress (Mecklenburg, VA) and Rebecca B.Taylor. Hopefully some of the descendants
of Lewis and Thomas M. Poythress, can fill you in on more details about this
Line. There is alot of information on these lines on the Poythress site,
Maynard mentioned earlier, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress. You
can search the message archives and gain a wealth of knowledge on these folks.

Take care,
Elaine


Libbee, I am not sure if you receive messages from the Poythress Mailing
List. If you do not, we would love to have you join. I will also send this to
your
email address. I believe that Frank and Len are the sons of James and Lucie
Poythress of Meherrin District, Brunswick County Virginia. They both show up
in
the 1900 census Len is called Lynnie age 5, and Frank age 14.  In 1920
Leonard and Carrie Poythress are in Brodnax District/Brunswick County, Frank
and
wife Nina and an adopted son Jack are also in Brodnax District/Brunswick
County.
Hopefully, some of the other members, can give further info on this Poythress

line.

Elaine		10/05/2003 1:08:48
Welcome back TeresaBarbara P. NealTeresa, it's great to finally hear from you & hear that y'all are okay
after Isabel and the tornadoes. Almost 3 weeks is a l-o-n-g time to be
without a phone line. Glad that you are now able to send messages to the
List.

Also glad to know that one of your uncles is considering the DNA
testing; I'll be happy to "talk" with him by email.

Thanks,
Barbara (BPN)
bp_neal@earthlink.net

10/5/03 8:27pm
Teresa Willis wrote:
> Barbara,
> I just wanted to let you know that one of my uncles is probably going to do
> the DNA testing. However he is recovering from an operation at the time,
> and it would be after that. Maybe you can email him and tell him more about
> it, you can explain it better than I can to him. I will send you his email
> in the next few days.
> Teresa		10/05/2003 2:57:47
Flowerdew Hundred's websiteBarbara P. NealThanks for the correct website, Teresa. It was frustrating being unable
to find it the other day. - BPN

10/5/03 8:41pm
Teresa Willis wrote:
> Barbara,
> It is:
> www.flowerdew.org
> not flowerdewhundred.org
> Teresa		10/05/2003 3:23:43
Re: [Poythress] Re: [Poythress: ] Isabel affect you/yours?Teresa WillisKevin,
Do you by chance own a contruction business?
I have a cousin in Raleigh that had mentioned to me that there is a
Poythress Contruction in Raleigh. She and her father both live there.
Theodoric and Betty Poythress, my aunt and uncle, and their daughter Debbie
Poythress Crank. Just was wondering if you are the "contruction guy".
Teresa Willis
On Poythress List
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 7:49 PM
Subject: [Poythress] Re: [Poythress: ] Isabel affect you/yours?


> Thank goodness Isabel spared us this time. Damage in Raleigh was minimal,
> mostly fallen trees. I had a big one drop and just miss my house! Never
lost
> power.
>
> I also have a home at Emerald Isle, N.C. ( About 1 hour north of
Wilmington).
> You could hardly tell that a storm had even passed thru!
>
> Kevin Poythress
> Morrisville, N.C.
>
>
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>		10/05/2003 3:36:48
Re: [Poythress: ] Isabel affect you/yours?Teresa WillisHello to all...Isabel left me with out power from Thursday until Sunday
late, and today is the first time I have had phone service and therefore
dial-up service. Oh for the day we can get high speed internet at a
reasonable cost.
Other than the inconvenience of the phone being out and no internet, all
else was ok. I lost most of the food in my freezers, and have a leaky roof,
but I guess that is what insurance is for.
Schools were out, which my kids thought was a plus.
Richmond and the surrounding areas left some with out power for longer than
us.
It did come right over top of my area, and it could have been a lot worse.
Emporia, South Hill, and Roanoke Rapids were torn up more than here, but
still nothing major, and I believe the most damage was from a few small
tornadoes. The rivers flooding caused more of a problem than the wind.
Had to go get one of my daughters from ODU, in Norfolk. She stayed home from
Tuesday the 16 until Sunday the 21st.
On the plus side it seems that at least for now I can send emails to the
Poythress list. For some reason before now I could not send, only receive.
Lyn how did your parents get along with Isabel?
Sarah, how about you and your's in NC?

Thanks,
Teresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara P. Neal"
To:
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 6:01 PM
Subject: [Poythress: ] Isabel affect you/yours?


> Since we have many of our Poythress List participants from &/or in areas
> that were hit so hard by Hurricane Isabel (especially in VA & NC), I am
> concerned about all of you & your family members, as I'm sure many
> others on our List are, too.
>
> Please: if you can let us on the Poythress-List know how you or your
> family in the affected area have made it thru the storm, it would be
> great to get an update.
>
> I realize as I write this on Monday 9/22 that power &/or phone lines are
> still off for many in that area, but as you get back online & catch up
> reading your messages, please take a moment to reassure us.
>
> Thanks, Poythress Cousins!
> BPN
>
>
>
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>		10/05/2003 4:30:38
Re: [Poythress] Re: [Poythress: ] Isabel affect you/yours?Teresa WillisHello to all...Isabel left me with out power from Thursday until Sunday
late, and today is the first time I have had phone service and therefore
dial-up service. Oh for the day we can get high speed internet at a
reasonable cost.
Other than the inconvenience of the phone being out and no internet, all
else was ok. I lost most of the food in my freezers, and have a leaky roof,
but I guess that is what insurance is for.
Schools were out, which my kids thought was a plus.
Richmond and the surrounding areas left some with out power for longer than
us.
It did come right over top of my area, and it could have been a lot worse.
Emporia, South Hill, and Roanoke Rapids were torn up more than here, but
still nothing major, and I believe the most damage was from a few small
tornadoes. The rivers flooding caused more of a problem than the wind.
Had to go get one of my daughters from ODU, in Norfolk. She stayed home from
Tuesday the 16 until Sunday the 21st.
On the plus side it seems that at least for now I can send emails to the
Poythress list. For some reason before now I could not send, only receive.
Lyn how did your parents get along with Isabel?
Sarah, how about you and your's in NC?

Thanks,
Teresa
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> o learn more about Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
>		10/05/2003 5:10:19
Re: [Poythress] Re: [Poythress: ] Isabel affect you/yours?Teresa WillisBarbara,
I just wanted to let you know that one of my uncles is probably going to do
the DNA testing. However he is recovering from an operation at the time,
and it would be after that. Maybe you can email him and tell him more about
it, you can explain it better than I can to him. I will send you his email
in the next few days.
Teresa
>
>



10/05/2003 5:27:33
Re: [Poythress] Re: [Poythress: ] Isabel affect you/yours?Teresa WillisBarbara,
It is:
www.flowerdew.org
not flowerdewhundred.org
Teresa
>



10/05/2003 5:41:46
RE: PoythressJohn M. PoythressLibbee..I am still drawing a blank although still interested. Two
suggestions:



1) I will post this exchange on the Poythress listserver
(Poythress-l@rootsweb.com) . It is entirely possible that one of our

about 100 members will recognize these two names and be able to
respond to you. If you wish, you may visit the

Poythress webpage
(http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/ ) as there is
considerable material there which

may not lead you directly to your answer but may suggest further
sources.



2) Have you tried posting a query on the Brunswick County listserver
(http://www.rootsweb.com/~vabrunsw/ )? The list

manager for Brunswick is Carol A. Morrison who has a Poythress
connection and considerable familiarity with that county.

That may produce something for you.



Best,



Maynard

(John M. Poythress)



-----Original Message-----
From: ELIZABETH MORRIS [mailto:morrisae@msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 12:05 PM
To: John M. Poythress
Subject: Re: Poythress



Thanks for your response. What I have is Leonard Talmadge (Len)
Poythress born November 28, 1893 married Carrie Rebecca Morris and he
had a brother named Frank J. Poythress born 1884 Creighton- Brunswick
County, Va. They may have been from Brodnax. Not much to go on. Thanks
Libbee Morris

----- Original Message -----

From: John M. Poythress

To: 'ELIZABETH MORRIS'

Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 12:47 PM

Subject: RE: Poythress



Gee, Libbee, I don't have either in my data base which is fairly
extensive. Could the Frank be abbreviated Francis; we have those by the
dozens? Leonard comes up completely blank.



Could you give me a little more to go on: approximate time frame, etc.
If I can't find them maybe I can give you some search suggestions. Some
of those Poythress boys can be a bear to find.



Best,



John M. Poythress



-----Original Message-----
From: ELIZABETH MORRIS [mailto:morrisae@msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 10:42 AM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net
Subject: Poythress



Do you have record of who the parents were of Leonard and Frank
Poythress from the Brunswick County Virginia Area. Libbee Morris		10/05/2003 10:12:06
Re: Frank and Leonard PoythressLibbee, I am not sure if you receive messages from the Poythress Mailing
List. If you do not, we would love to have you join. I will also send this to your
email address. I believe that Frank and Len are the sons of James and Lucie
Poythress of Meherrin District, Brunswick County Virginia. They both show up in
the 1900 census Len is called Lynnie age 5, and Frank age 14. In 1920
Leonard and Carrie Poythress are in Brodnax District/Brunswick County, Frank and
wife Nina and an adopted son Jack are also in Brodnax District/Brunswick County.
Hopefully, some of the other members, can give further info on this Poythress
line.

Elaine


Libbee..I am still drawing a blank although still interested.  Two
suggestions:



1)  I will post this exchange on the Poythress listserver
(Poythress-l@rootsweb.com) .  It is entirely possible that one of our

    about 100 members will recognize these two names and be able to
respond to you.  If you wish, you may visit the

    Poythress webpage
(http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/ ) as there is
considerable material there which

    may not lead you directly to your answer but may suggest further
sources.



2)  Have you tried posting a query on the Brunswick County listserver
(http://www.rootsweb.com/~vabrunsw/ )?  The list

manager for Brunswick is Carol A. Morrison who has a Poythress
connection and considerable familiarity with that county.

That may produce something for you.



Best,



Maynard

(John M. Poythress)



-----Original Message-----
From: ELIZABETH MORRIS [mailto:morrisae@msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 12:05 PM
To: John M. Poythress
Subject: Re: Poythress



Thanks for your response.  What I have is Leonard Talmadge (Len)
Poythress born November 28, 1893 married Carrie Rebecca Morris and he
had a brother named Frank J. Poythress born 1884 Creighton- Brunswick
County, Va.  They may have been from Brodnax.  Not much to go on. Thanks
Libbee Morris

----- Original Message -----

From: John M. Poythress  

To: 'ELIZABETH MORRIS'  

Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 12:47 PM

Subject: RE: Poythress



Gee, Libbee, I don't have either in my data base which is fairly
extensive.  Could the Frank be abbreviated Francis; we have those by the
dozens?  Leonard comes up completely blank.



Could you give me a little more to go on: approximate time frame, etc.
If I can't find them maybe I can give you some search suggestions.  Some
of those Poythress boys can be a bear to find.



Best,



John M. Poythress		10/05/2003 12:50:18
Re: [Poythress] Re: [Poythress: ] Isabel affect you/yours?Teresa,

Yes, I own a construction company based in the Triangle area, 'Poythress
Construction Company, Inc.'. We develop land, as well as build both residential
and commercial properties.

Kevin Poythress



10/06/2003 2:59:31
Re: Bruce Porter & Crystal Rose - Are you here?BPN,
Hey guys, I'm still here tracing these FPC Poythress throughout Northampton, Halifax and Wilson Counties NC.

Regarding the bible that we photographed at the dinner in Richmond, that was Uncle Jack and Aunt Bertha Poythress' Bible. Uncle Jack was Elmo D'Arthur Poythress, son of Horace and Laura Turner Poythress.

Crystal 🙂



10/09/2003 1:47:58
Bible of Jack P. Poythress & Bertha (Forbes) familyBarbara P. NealCrystal, great to hear from you & see that you're still with us. BPW got
some good photos of the Bible, which she has shared with me. I would
like to send them to Al Tims to post on our website, if that is okay
with the current owner of the Bible. I just can't remember WHO IS the
current owner of the Bible. Who brought it that night -- was it maybe
your Mom? Or you? Or...?

If it was you or your Mom: Is it okay for the photos of its info to be
posted at the Poythress website?

Hope all is well with you & yours -
Cheers,
Barbara (BPN)

10/9/03 4:47pm
Rosebudsaponi1@aol.com wrote:
> BPN, Hey guys, I'm still here tracing these FPC Poythress throughout
> Northampton, Halifax and Wilson Counties NC.
>
> Regarding the bible that we photographed at the dinner in Richmond,
> that was Uncle Jack and Aunt Bertha Poythress' Bible. Uncle Jack was
> Elmo D'Arthur Poythress, son of Horace and Laura Turner Poythress.
>
> Crystal 🙂		10/10/2003 2:10:58
10/10/03 Update on Poythress-Surname Y-DNA StudyBarbara P. NealDear All,

I am travelling in Texas & visiting lots of kinfolks on my Mom's side,
and then next week will be in Houston for a genealogy conference, so I
don't have much time for emailing for about the next 12 days.

Today, we got results from two more participants in our
Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Study. I don't have a lot of time to analyze
them right now, but briefly:

Both Dale (who lives in NC) & John (who lives in California) were
highly-close matches with our others. They of course match 12 for 12 on
the first 12 markers of the 25 marker test.

Then, further: Dale exactly matches 25 of 25 to Karl, David, & Kevin.
And John exactly matches 25 of 25 to Gene.

We're making great progress!


I hope that soon we will have signing up for the Y-DNA testing at least
one Poythress male who know his male line descends from Lewis Poythress
(I'm referring to the Lewis Poythress who was an adult in the late
1700s, living in the same tax area where Meredith Poythress then lived
-- the Lower District of Mecklenburg County, Virginia). There was also
an adult Peter Poythress, who owned land in that same tax district then;
if anyone knows his or her line descends from that Peter Poythress, it
would be great to have the Y-DNA testing of a Poythress-male who
descends from that line, too. (If you are a Poythress-descended-female,
you can encourage your father, brother, or Poythress-descended uncle or
male cousin.)

The non-invasive Y-DNA testing is a simple matter of swabbing the inside
of your mouth. Much information about the process is also available in
the "Frequently Asked Questions" or "FAQ" section of the website for the
company that we have used for the testing, Family Tree DNA, whose
website is:
www.familytreedna.com

I have absolutely no relationship with that company; I am purely a
volunteer at coordinating our Poythress results, so we can all learn
more about our Poythress line. I can assure you from the extensive
reading and studying I've been doing for some time now about DNA: that
company is very reputable; is very highly thought of; and has a most
reasonable price structure for the number of markers tested.

Anyone interested in participating in our Poythress-Surname DNA Study is
welcome to email me for more information.

Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net		10/10/2003 2:21:50
Georgia CensusHello to all. Al put the final of the Georgia Census on the Poythress Site.
Thanks Al for all you do.

Take care,
Elaine



10/15/2003 7:00:57
Poythress Web SiteAlbert R. TimsPoythress List,

The Poythress Surname website has been copied to a different server.
The old url will continue to work but now points visitors to the new
server with a short note. This move will have no impact on the mailing
list or the archives. The only difference you will notice is that the
ads and popup windows are gone.

I decided to move the site because of the growing commercialization of
the Rootsweb "freepages" server. Ancestry began with simple banner ads
at the top of the pages served. At first, this seemed like no big deal.
More recently however, they've added animated ads and popup window ads.
I'm finding that navigating between sections of the website triggers new
popups with virtually every page served. Basically, a minor compromise
for free server space has become a major annoyance. We will keep the
Rootsweb web address since it is "out there" as our web address.
Eventually, I suspect we'll go to having our own web address --
something like www.poythress.org, but we don't have enough content or
daily "hits" to justify that sort of infrastructure -- at least not yet
:-).

I'm keeping all the files on the Rootsweb server --just in case this new
server location doesn't' work as well as I hope.

The new webpage url is:

http://umn.edu/~timsx001


By the way -- the new census records are a new fantastic new resource.
Elaine Criddle devoted countless hours to the project and has done us
all a wonderful service.

I encourage submission of new materials from all the mailing list
subscribers.

Best,
Al Tims
Poythress Webmaster		10/16/2003 8:15:53
Re: Poythress web siteThanks, Al. You may also want to check with Maynard, as I recall that sometime back he may have reserved a Poythress-named site for our future use.

At the FamilyTreeDNA website, I switched the linking url to the new one for the Poythress-Surname DNA Project.

Hope many of our Listers will respond to your request for sending you Poythress material to post on the website.

Thanks, Al, for all your great work. Great to have you working on our behalf to give us such a great website.

Barbara Poythress Neal

10/17/03
Albert R. Tims wrote:
Eventually, I suspect we'll go to having our own web address --
> something like www.poythress.org, but we don't have enough content or
> daily "hits" to justify that sort of infrastructure -- at least not yet
> :-)....
> The new webpage url is:
> http://umn.edu/~timsx001		10/16/2003 11:41:37
www.poythress.orgJohn M. PoythressBTW, Al, I think I own this already on our behalf...or at least I sent
some guy twenty bucks for the domain. This was couple of years ago and
a friend of mine who designs webpages for a living did it for me; I
don't know if non-usage dries up the ownership rights, or, for that
matter, whether or not my title was "good" in the first place.



I'm told the drill on these things is that if you (for example) request
it, you'll be told some guy already owns it but they will tell you who
the guy is so you can contact him about buying the rights..in this case,
if I'm right about the ownership it would be academic.



Hey, and great job on that census post as well as the other neat stuff.



Maynard





10/17/2003 6:10:09
RE: Marion Poythress ?MaybeJohn M. PoythressAs we both know anything is possible but I think I'd wait for a little
bit of "association" before this one got on the books.

The Poythress in question came to KY abt 1811. He was a Francis, a
circuit rider and later administrator in the Methodist Ch. He died a
batchelor in the home of a sister in Mercer County, just south of
Lexington. Lexington in north central to north east KY, only 40 miles
or so south of Cincinnati.

Barren County, on the other hand, is central KY but right down on the
Tennessee line.

None of the other names in the will ring bells.

I guess I'd be inclined to say if the guy spelled it right on the money
I'd be inclined to chase it; however, a variant that far out of the
"channel" was one I'd be inclined to only keep on the back burner.

Now that I've said that somebody will come out of the woodwork with a
whole family of them.....but I'll wait until then.

MP

-----Original Message-----
From: Denver145@aol.com [mailto:Denver145@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:36 PM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Marion Poythress ?Maybe

I ran across this on ancestry.com. I know at one time, I remember
someone
mentioning Poythress folks in Kentucky.

Barren County, Kentucky Wills 1800-1824
Barren County Wills Book 1
OSPage: 457

Name: David Lepenbery
Written: 9 Nov. 1817 My son, Thomas Hobbs My present wife, Lurana My
four
children: Thomas Hobbs, Marion Partress?, Rebecca Glover, and Regina Ann
Jane My
brother, Robert Lepenberry and William Lepenberry, exe.
Whitnesses: Laban Jennings, John Lepenberry, and Carles Drever
Probated:Novemver 1817


==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		10/21/2003 4:32:18
RE: www.poythress.orgAlbert R. TimsMaynard,

I just checked on the Poythress.org domain name and found the following
registration information. It may be that this expired on 10/04/03, but
I'm not sure. We could always register as poythressgenealogy.org or
something like that - rather than compete for the name :-). I'll need
to find a good webhost before doing anything :-).

Best,
Al



poythress.org

Back-order this name

Registrant:
Poythress, David (OAGVMKEVVD
e=ha&queryString=OAGVMKEVVD> )
4241 N Jackson
KC, MO 64117
AN

Domain Name: POYTHRESS.ORG

Administrative Contact:
Poythress, David (CJUAGCYUWI
e=ha&queryString=CJUAGCYUWI> ) david@poythress.org
4241 N Jackson
KC, MO 64117
AN
913 219 3761
Technical Contact:
Network Solutions, Inc. (HOST-ORG
e=ha&queryString=HOST-ORG> ) customerservice@networksolutions.com
21355 Ridgetop Circle
Dulles, VA 20166
US
1-888-642-9675 fax: 571-434-4620

Record expires on 04-Oct-2003.
Record created on 04-Oct-2002.
Database last updated on 22-Oct-2003 00:14:47 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.POYTHRESS.ORG 66.143.53.145
NS2.POYTHRESS.ORG 65.26.83.136




-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Poythress [mailto:brerfox@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 12:10 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: www.poythress.org

BTW, Al, I think I own this already on our behalf...or at least I sent
some guy twenty bucks for the domain. This was couple of years ago and
a friend of mine who designs webpages for a living did it for me; I
don't know if non-usage dries up the ownership rights, or, for that
matter, whether or not my title was "good" in the first place.



I'm told the drill on these things is that if you (for example) request
it, you'll be told some guy already owns it but they will tell you who
the guy is so you can contact him about buying the rights..in this case,
if I'm right about the ownership it would be academic.



Hey, and great job on that census post as well as the other neat stuff.



Maynard




==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
Poythress Genealogy Research Web
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		10/21/2003 5:21:26
Marion Poythress ?MaybeI ran across this on ancestry.com. I know at one time, I remember someone
mentioning Poythress folks in Kentucky.

Barren County, Kentucky Wills 1800-1824
Barren County Wills Book 1
OSPage: 457

Name: David Lepenbery
Written: 9 Nov. 1817 My son, Thomas Hobbs My present wife, Lurana My four
children: Thomas Hobbs, Marion Partress?, Rebecca Glover, and Regina Ann Jane My
brother, Robert Lepenberry and William Lepenberry, exe.
Whitnesses: Laban Jennings, John Lepenberry, and Carles Drever
Probated:Novemver 1817		10/21/2003 11:35:34
Alabama CensusTo let everyone know, the Alabama portion of the census project, is on the
Poythress site. Just click on US Census Records. It is up for
additions/corrections and deletions until
Nov. 4, 2003. If you have any, please send to me personally.

Take care,
Elaine		10/22/2003 3:10:38
RE: www.poythress.orgJohn M. PoythressAl, I blind copied you on note to my friend. I suspect she won't come
up with a hammer for us.

Options:

1) I wouldn't have any hesitation writing David Poythress and asking him
to give the thing up for such a noble purpose....or sending him a
hundred bucks if he's in it for the money (although I suspect the former
would be a better bet...if he's in it for the money a hundred is not
likely to sway him).

2) I notice Poythress.us (see description) is available. I'd much
rather have .org of course but wonder if ".us" is not a "natural" to
remember or come to mind for someone hunting us as opposed to some
longer "title."

Want to think about these options if my friend draws a blank?

Maynard		10/22/2003 5:32:48
Re: Bible of Jack P. Poythress & Bertha (Forbes) familyBarbara P. NealEven though the 9 images of this Bible's pages (including the title page
and the page showing its publication date) are not extremely sharply in
focus, they are all quite visible and give a great "flavor" of the
Bible. I had planned to send the 9 scans of this Bible (including its
cover, title page, and page having publication date) to our Poythress
webmaster, Al Tims, for him to post on the Bibles section of the
Poythress Research website, so that any descendants (now, or in the
future) of this couple would have access to the information.

However, I see from closely examining the photos of the Bible's pages,
that births from the 1930s and 1940s are included -- thus births of
currently-living people (or people who could be living).

I don't think it is wise to post FULL dates of birth for living people
on the internet, where unscrupulous people could grab the info for
identity theft. Because of that, I'm holding back from sending these
scanned photos to Al for our Poythress Research website.

If you are descended from this couple, and wish to see the scans of this
Bible, send me a message privately and explain how you are descended,
and if appropriate to do so, I'll send you copies of the scans, with
each image attached to a separate email. My email address is shown
below; use that instead of hitting "Reply" for this message to the whole
List.

The family register shows: Husband Jack P. Poythress born June 14, 1901
and wife Bertha Forbes Poythress born Oct. 21, 1903. Horace Poythress
and Laura Belle Ramson (sic) are listed as the parents of Jack. While
the Bible doesn't show the alternate names, Jack was also known as Elmo
D'Arthur Poythress; and his mother's name has also been given as Laura
Turner in some messages.

Cheers,

Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net		10/23/2003 6:19:38
Mississippi Census Is UpThe Mississippi portion of the census project is on the Poythress site. It is
open for corrections, additions and deletions until Nov. 7, 2003. If you have
any, please send them to me personally.

Thanks,
Elaine		10/24/2003 5:27:36
Mecklenburg CemeteriesJohn M. PoythressLyn, there was some conversation today on the Mecklenburg wire about a
guy named Munsey Moore and his published books listing Mecklenburg
tombstones. The gist of the conversation didn't go anywhere. Somebody
asked if he was going to do volume II and the answer was apparently
"no."



However, it did jog me to ask if you or your mother had ever recorded
any Poythress graves in Mecklenburg..or is Mr. Moore's book available?



Best,



Maynard





10/25/2003 4:19:21
Portuguese SettlementJohn M. PoythressCrystal....I make it about 100 to 1 that this site is NOT a place to get
cussed out.

However, I have yet to see a "brief" of any credibility posted on the
"Portuguese Settlement" subject. It's all been just jumbled and/or
wounded and/or random comments that don't seem to follow any logical
sequence.

The sparse information I have seen on the board does not, in and of
itself,
come on as very believable. Portuguese stonemasons mysteriously
shipwrecked off the coast of NC making a sizable journey (presumably
afoot)from the beach to the Coastal Plain to the Piedmont to up the
mountains only for the purpose of holing up and living with some
Poythresses and Saponis and runaway slaves is not, on its surface, an
immediately convincing proposition.

In fact, I'm not even sure what the real question is. And I don't
particularly care if we have a Martian Settlement issue. Would you
share this with us in some sort of "narrative" that "makes a case" for
whatever it is that is supposed to even be the case about the
"Portuguese Settlement"?

And if you don't wish to even visit the topic, I'll stand down and give
it up.

Best,

Maynard		10/25/2003 7:09:49
Re: Bible of Jack P. Poythress & Bertha (Forbes) familyBarbara,
I would be excited to see something from the Portuguese Settlement placed on the Poythress website. I agree, family members that are still within the living range should not be placed online, not only because of theft but because the majority of them are not even speaking of this. They refuse to talk to me, I've been hung up on, cussed out, etc by some of these very same family members.

I have made great strides regarding the settlement and would be willing to send you what information regarding the bible and the family listed that I have. The correct information for Uncle Jack is Frederick D'Elmo Poythress, son of Horace and Laura Turner Poythress. I believe that Aunt Annie was listed in the births and she is still living. I visited with her last week. God love her.

Keep me in touch and let me know what ya'll decide to do and I'll share what info I have.

Crystal 🙂



10/25/2003 7:34:53
Re: Bible of Jack P. Poythress & Bertha (Forbes) familyPatCrystal, I would be interested in anything you have regarding potential
relationship to Portuguese.
I conversed with you about two years ago.

My Poythress line is still quite a mystery to me because my father died two
months before I was born and my mother moved closer to her family after his
death.

4th Gen Martha Poythress (my great grandmother)
5th Gen William and Julia Poythress of Greensville Co, VA
William and Julia appear in the 1850 Greensville Co
census

In the 1860 Greensville Co census William Potis and wife Julia and
children (including my great grandmother) appears on the same page which
Lewis Poythress. William does not appear in the1870 census, Julia is HH?
and if I recall correctly shown as a pauper

Because some of Martha's grandchildren are named Lewis and Horace I have
assumed that we are probably related to Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg Co
and later Greensville Co, guessing that William was either a brother or
cousin of Lewis Poythress Jr.

You appear related to a Horace Poythress . My father's middle name was
Horace and his older brother was Lewis. My brother is named Horace.

Again I would be interested in the Portuguese Settlement.

Pat

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Bible of Jack P. Poythress & Bertha (Forbes) family


> Barbara,
> I would be excited to see something from the Portuguese Settlement placed
on the Poythress website. I agree, family members that are still within the
living range should not be placed online, not only because of theft but
because the majority of them are not even speaking of this. They refuse to
talk to me, I've been hung up on, cussed out, etc by some of these very same
family members.
>
> I have made great strides regarding the settlement and would be willing to
send you what information regarding the bible and the family listed that I
have. The correct information for Uncle Jack is Frederick D'Elmo Poythress,
son of Horace and Laura Turner Poythress. I believe that Aunt Annie was
listed in the births and she is still living. I visited with her last week.
God love her.
>
> Keep me in touch and let me know what ya'll decide to do and I'll share
what info I have.
>
> Crystal 🙂
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more about
Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>		10/25/2003 10:31:24
Re: Bible of Jack P. Poythress & Bertha (Forbes) familyTeresa WillisI have always found this subject interesting. I don't know much about this
Portuguese settlement, but I do know this. When I was a small child my
Grandfather, Delzie Poythress would go to NC to "visit family", my
Grandmother never would go with him, and was always making sure everybody
knew that "we aren't really kin to those Poythress', that's those Portuguese
Poythress'."
Oh course, at that time I didn't have a clue why she always made such a fuss
over this, now I realize.
Prejudice is so ugly.
Teresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat"
To:
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Bible of Jack P. Poythress & Bertha (Forbes) family


> Crystal, I would be interested in anything you have regarding potential
> relationship to Portuguese.
> I conversed with you about two years ago.
>
> My Poythress line is still quite a mystery to me because my father died
two
> months before I was born and my mother moved closer to her family after
his
> death.
>
> 4th Gen Martha Poythress (my great grandmother)
> 5th Gen William and Julia Poythress of Greensville Co, VA
> William and Julia appear in the 1850 Greensville Co
> census
>
> In the 1860 Greensville Co census William Potis and wife Julia and
> children (including my great grandmother) appears on the same page which
> Lewis Poythress. William does not appear in the1870 census, Julia is HH?
> and if I recall correctly shown as a pauper
>
> Because some of Martha's grandchildren are named Lewis and Horace I have
> assumed that we are probably related to Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg Co
> and later Greensville Co, guessing that William was either a brother or
> cousin of Lewis Poythress Jr.
>
> You appear related to a Horace Poythress . My father's middle name was
> Horace and his older brother was Lewis. My brother is named Horace.
>
> Again I would be interested in the Portuguese Settlement.
>
> Pat
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Bible of Jack P. Poythress & Bertha (Forbes) family
>
>
> > Barbara,
> > I would be excited to see something from the Portuguese Settlement
placed
> on the Poythress website. I agree, family members that are still within
the
> living range should not be placed online, not only because of theft but
> because the majority of them are not even speaking of this. They refuse to
> talk to me, I've been hung up on, cussed out, etc by some of these very
same
> family members.
> >
> > I have made great strides regarding the settlement and would be willing
to
> send you what information regarding the bible and the family listed that I
> have. The correct information for Uncle Jack is Frederick D'Elmo
Poythress,
> son of Horace and Laura Turner Poythress. I believe that Aunt Annie was
> listed in the births and she is still living. I visited with her last
week.
> God love her.
> >
> > Keep me in touch and let me know what ya'll decide to do and I'll share
> what info I have.
> >
> > Crystal 🙂
> >
> >
> > ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> > The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more about
> Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
> >
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/
>
>		10/26/2003 2:50:13
POYTHRESS Portuguese Settlementhttp://www.hogbuster.com/page8.htm

Have you seen this website? I hope this helps.

Andie Harris
Kailua Hawai'i		10/26/2003 6:12:58
Send important Poythress source documents to webmasterBarbara P. NealHi All,

I guess fires, earthquakes, hurricanes and other natural disasters are
the main reason I really want more of our Poythress researchers to get
our collective Poythress-ancestral information and sources into the
List's archives & onto our Poythress research website.

Please send to Al Tims, our webmaster for our great Poythress Research
website, copies of your important source documents about your Poythress
ancestors. You can reach him at atims@comcast.net

Unfortunately I do not have time to work on genealogy right now. There
are huge horrid fires raging across the greater Los Angeles area, two of
which are not that far from us (20 miles or less, and moving at a rate
of about 10-20 mph in sporadic, random directions). Such huge fires are
scary stuff. Everything in Southern California is so tender-dry, because
(as every year) this area gets absolutely NO rain from about March/April
until Nov/Dec.

Ten yrs ago, when we were first transferred here from back East, this
area was threatened by fires within sight of us. At that time (having
just moved in) we were fairly well organized & knew which piles of
essential stuff to grab and put in the car. But 10 yrs of living has
intervened since then. We need to be figuring out what essential items
to take with us if we should have to suddenly evacuate, in the middle of
the night or whenever.

Take care; we will!
Barbara		10/26/2003 9:51:24
Re: Bible of Jack P. Poythress & Bertha (Forbes) familyELIZABETH MORRISTeresa thanks so much for this update. I did get a lot of info from Lyn Baird. Are the poythress in Warren County related to your line of Poythresses. Who was Sarah Lynch' parents. thanks Libbee
----- Original Message -----
From: Teresa Willis
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Bible of Jack P. Poythress & Bertha (Forbes) family


I have always found this subject interesting. I don't know much about this
Portuguese settlement, but I do know this. When I was a small child my
Grandfather, Delzie Poythress would go to NC to "visit family", my
Grandmother never would go with him, and was always making sure everybody
knew that "we aren't really kin to those Poythress', that's those Portuguese
Poythress'."
Oh course, at that time I didn't have a clue why she always made such a fuss
over this, now I realize.
Prejudice is so ugly.
Teresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat"
To:
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: Bible of Jack P. Poythress & Bertha (Forbes) family


> Crystal, I would be interested in anything you have regarding potential
> relationship to Portuguese.
> I conversed with you about two years ago.
>
> My Poythress line is still quite a mystery to me because my father died
two
> months before I was born and my mother moved closer to her family after
his
> death.
>
> 4th Gen Martha Poythress (my great grandmother)
> 5th Gen William and Julia Poythress of Greensville Co, VA
> William and Julia appear in the 1850 Greensville Co
> census
>
> In the 1860 Greensville Co census William Potis and wife Julia and
> children (including my great grandmother) appears on the same page which
> Lewis Poythress. William does not appear in the1870 census, Julia is HH?
> and if I recall correctly shown as a pauper
>
> Because some of Martha's grandchildren are named Lewis and Horace I have
> assumed that we are probably related to Lewis Poythress of Mecklenburg Co
> and later Greensville Co, guessing that William was either a brother or
> cousin of Lewis Poythress Jr.
>
> You appear related to a Horace Poythress . My father's middle name was
> Horace and his older brother was Lewis. My brother is named Horace.
>
> Again I would be interested in the Portuguese Settlement.
>
> Pat
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Bible of Jack P. Poythress & Bertha (Forbes) family
>
>
> > Barbara,
> > I would be excited to see something from the Portuguese Settlement
placed
> on the Poythress website. I agree, family members that are still within
the
> living range should not be placed online, not only because of theft but
> because the majority of them are not even speaking of this. They refuse to
> talk to me, I've been hung up on, cussed out, etc by some of these very
same
> family members.
> >
> > I have made great strides regarding the settlement and would be willing
to
> send you what information regarding the bible and the family listed that I
> have. The correct information for Uncle Jack is Frederick D'Elmo
Poythress,
> son of Horace and Laura Turner Poythress. I believe that Aunt Annie was
> listed in the births and she is still living. I visited with her last
week.
> God love her.
> >
> > Keep me in touch and let me know what ya'll decide to do and I'll share
> what info I have.
> >
> > Crystal 🙂
> >
> >
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		10/26/2003 12:58:38
RE: POYTHRESS Portuguese SettlementJohn M. PoythressAndie....it came up "this page cannot be found." I tried the link
which was "hot" but didn't connect. I also typed in the address. Would
you mind checking that adds again please.
(http://www.hogbuster.com/page8.htm) without the parens of course.

Many thanks,

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: PooolSide@aol.com [mailto:PooolSide@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:13 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: POYTHRESS Portuguese Settlement

http://www.hogbuster.com/page8.htm

Have you seen this website? I hope this helps.

Andie Harris
Kailua Hawai'i


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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		10/27/2003 3:46:37
RE: POYTHRESS Portuguese SettlementPoythress, LynnI was able to get to www.hogbuster.com without any problems and scope
around. I couldn't specifically find the Portuguese Settlement page,
but when I went to www.hogbuster.com/page8.html it popped up without any
problem. Lots of interesting info on that page. Still haven't figured
out how to get there from the main page!

Lynn Poythress

-----Original Message-----
From: PooolSide@aol.com [mailto:PooolSide@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:22 AM
To: POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: POYTHRESS Portuguese Settlement

Any luck yet with the website?


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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poythress/		10/27/2003 4:30:38
Re: POYTHRESS Portuguese SettlementOf course I'll do everything I can to see that you can open it. After I sent
it yesterday I discovered that sometimes that url worked and sometimes it
didn't. I had mailed a blind copy to myself to be sure that it did work and that's
how I found out about its on again/off again nature.

Andie



10/27/2003 5:25:23
Re: POYTHRESS Portuguese SettlementAny luck yet with the website?



10/27/2003 7:22:11
hogbusterJohn M. PoythressOkay, thanks Lynn, I have all 15 pages now..and mulling it.



Maynard		10/27/2003 10:29:47
Re: POYTHRESS Portuguese SettlementTo get there from the main page, click the emblem, click "read more", this should bring you to the history page, click "Greensville County". That takes you directly to the Hogbuster pages of Forrest Hazel. The title is "Home on the Border".

Crystal



10/28/2003 5:15:34
Re: Portuguese SettlementHello Maynard and list,I know that this is the one place that I would never get cursed out for all the worms I'm digging up. However, there are some living members of the family that see otherwise.

Regarding the "Portuguese Settlement". Here's the opinion that I have formed from research, paper trails, speaking with those that will talk, migration and marital patterns and some good home gut feelings and common sense.
Portugese Settlement was never even considered "Portguese" until 1923 when the state of NC passed legislation to allow this tri-racial community to call themselves that. The immigrants that flowed through Roanoke Rapids to work on the damn date about 100 yrs post the first "Poythress, Turner, Peters, Scotts, Bass and Jarrell" notations in the courthouse records. So, we already have the basis of the clan established prior to any immigrants infiltration the community.
Secondly, As early as 1790 census, these families are being listed as FPC. Not individuals, all the families. Every Poythress (various spellings) in Northampton County are FPC. They fluctuate between Northampton and Halifax but some of the same individuals listed between the two counties are still FPC.
It has already been established that there was an old trading fort in Brunswick County, VA for the local tribes in the early 1700's by the name of Fort Christanna. For those of you who have never visited Northampton County, this settlement is approximately 10 miles from Fort Christanna.
My theory is this, from the earliest records, being listed as FPC, Colored, Mulatto, Black but knowing that they were not any of the "Plecker Races" of being Black or White, they saw the immigrants of Portugal, saw the same coloring, saw that this could be their ticket to "freedom of racism". These people of this community couldn't vote, couldn't educate themselves, couldn't even be buried in the local cemetaries because of their skin color. This went on for generations. I have pictures of the "Couch Scott" that is listed on the Hogbuster pages of Forrest Hazel. You want to know what he looks like? Indian. I have a picture of Charles Poythress (aka Charlie). He is listed as Colored and later Portuguese. He, too, Indian. I have never believed that this "Settlement of Portuguese" were ever Portuguese to begin with. It was nothing more than a means of survival.
Now, the real question is, how did the Poythress name come into this settlement. That's one to ponder til the end of time because we'll never know. Another possibility is that there was a tribe that floated along the border counties of NC/VA, by the name of Porteskill, that were eventually absorbed by the Catawba in the early 1600's. Could it be that this is something that carried on? Who knows?
I do have one question for you guys, In 1715 in Catawba County NC prior to it being Catawba County but the legislation was held in town that is located in present day Catawba, there was passed a name change for a Benjamin Poythress and a Robert Poythress to the last name of Speight. Anyone have any clue as to who these two gentlemen are?? As far as I have found, this is the earliest documentation of Poythress name being in NC. I also find it rather ironic that that Saponi of Fort Christanna are close cousins to the Catawba that absorbed the Porteskill as well as had control of the local area of what is now Catawba County which is where we have the name change. Has anyone checked out the name Speight? Seems that it's a predominant FPC name as well.
I hope that this hasn't confused anyone which I am sure it has but you have to take the blinders off when it comes to this community. It can't be dealt with as a regular genealogist would handle research. These people covered 5 races in a matter of 50 years. My own grandmother is listed in 1920 as mulatto, 1930 as white and 1934 as Portuguese. That terminology never played into the settlement until the 1923 law. The names are much more reliable than the race issue. That's what I am basing my research on and considering it is the Poythress name, I can only hope that you all will do the same and not take "Portuguese Settlement" literal. I can tell horror stories of what my family went through to try to keep some sort of identity. If you will, check out http://www.saponitown.com. This is the group of people that I have been working with. I have worked with Forrest Hazel as well as Lawrence Dunmore from the Occaneechi. I am also working with Chief Walt Brown of the Cheranauka No!
ttoway and Barry Carter with SouthEastern VA Native American Descendants Association. I think that there's alot more at work here than just tracing names.
Crystal 🙂
Rather than starting a hot debate on the race issue, please send opinions to me directly and not bog down the mailing list. Thank you 🙂		10/28/2003 5:45:10
Re: CA FireskoswcartistHi...hey this is Patti P Koscheski...I heard from Barbara Neal yesterday.
They were doing better yesterday favorable winds. I am between the two
fires...only 3 miles east of the Stevenson Ranch stuff [and now in Towsley
canyon just south of the Stevenson Ranch fire] At our house we had dry ash
comming down like small cornflake size. Thick smog yesterday but blue sky
over head today..this could change if the winds are not favorable . I got
out there and raked up pine needles that were dried out by the Santa Ana
winds [aka hot dry winds from the east and south...opposite of the normal
flow for here]...so far 60 gallon recpticles twice and more to rake today.
God bless all those hard working firefighters.
These fires have affected one of our nephews. His parents and Aunt & Uncle
were on vacation in Utah. They both houses and very large commercial
avacodo orchard ranch burned to the ground. This occured inin the first
fires in Riveside area. His cousin made it out safe. No life lost here,
only property. They did lose the only video of our nephew's wedding.
Reminder, make copies of photos and family videos and give them to relatives
.... We californians are resilient. Most of us came from the Dust Bowl
farmers who learned survival...we may be battered and taxed to death [we
have 32 c on each gallon of gas..not to mention realestate taxes, crv on
sodas at 5 c each]
patti
we have cool weather today and a little blue sky ....
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:23 AM
Subject: CA Fires


> Barbara Neal and Barbara Wolfe: talk to us! You two doing okay?
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
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>		10/30/2003 2:30:24
Update on CA fire near usBarbara P. NealThanks, folks, for your thoughts & prayers. Please keep them coming for
the fantastic firefighters, and for helpful weather.

We are doing much better now, thanks to a combination of

- the Santa Ana winds (i.e. hot, dry, strong winds blowing in from the
deserts east of here) having diminished in favor of a return of the flow
of cooler & milder breezes coming in from the ocean;

- a bit of actual drizzle this morning that lasted for 3 whole
minutes, that washed a lot of particulate matter out of the air

- and the good fortune of the direction of the closest of the fires
happening to go further from us rather than burning straight toward us
from where it was the other night, about 9 miles due north of us,
separated from us by a big canyon full of dry chaparral, which is
basically a mixture of extremely dry brush & trees & tall dried-out
grasses. (That distance is not a comfortable one, when Santa Ana winds
were driving some of the Southern California fires at speeds up to 20
mph. By the way, the firefighters have that particular fire, the "Simi
Valley" or "Santa Clarita" fire, closer to being under control than the
other fires are currently; they hope to have it completely out soon.)

The threat of all these fires, along with the crop of little "reminder"
earthquakes, 3.0 to 3.7 in strength, that we've had in the greater-L.A.
area yesterday & today, has me absolutely committed to finishing up my
current big project of organizing our photo negatives for scanning,
before I return to much of anything else. I've been at it all day every
day this week & should be done in, hopefully, another couple of days.

The firestorms are extremely capricious & they really make their own
winds as they thrive on all the tender-dry fuel, so it truly will be
weeks before there's any hope of having all these Southern CA fires out.
Thus please do keep the firefighters & the weather in your prayers.

Take care!
Barbara		10/30/2003 2:36:17
CA FiresJohn M. PoythressBarbara Neal and Barbara Wolfe: talk to us! You two doing okay?



Maynard





10/30/2003 4:23:35
Re: Portuguese SettlementPatDoes "FPC" stand for Free Person Colored ?



----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Portuguese Settlement


> Hello Maynard and list,I know that this is the one place that I would
never get cursed out for all the worms I'm digging up. However, there are
some living members of the family that see otherwise.
>
> Regarding the "Portuguese Settlement". Here's the opinion that I have
formed from research, paper trails, speaking with those that will talk,
migration and marital patterns and some good home gut feelings and common
sense.
> Portugese Settlement was never even considered "Portguese" until 1923 when
the state of NC passed legislation to allow this tri-racial community to
call themselves that. The immigrants that flowed through Roanoke Rapids to
work on the damn date about 100 yrs post the first "Poythress, Turner,
Peters, Scotts, Bass and Jarrell" notations in the courthouse records. So,
we already have the basis of the clan established prior to any immigrants
infiltration the community.
> Secondly, As early as 1790 census, these families are being listed as FPC.
Not individuals, all the families. Every Poythress (various spellings) in
Northampton County are FPC. They fluctuate between Northampton and Halifax
but some of the same individuals listed between the two counties are still
FPC.
> It has already been established that there was an old trading fort in
Brunswick County, VA for the local tribes in the early 1700's by the name of
Fort Christanna. For those of you who have never visited Northampton County,
this settlement is approximately 10 miles from Fort Christanna.
> My theory is this, from the earliest records, being listed as FPC,
Colored, Mulatto, Black but knowing that they were not any of the "Plecker
Races" of being Black or White, they saw the immigrants of Portugal, saw the
same coloring, saw that this could be their ticket to "freedom of racism".
These people of this community couldn't vote, couldn't educate themselves,
couldn't even be buried in the local cemetaries because of their skin color.
This went on for generations. I have pictures of the "Couch Scott" that is
listed on the Hogbuster pages of Forrest Hazel. You want to know what he
looks like? Indian. I have a picture of Charles Poythress (aka Charlie). He
is listed as Colored and later Portuguese. He, too, Indian. I have never
believed that this "Settlement of Portuguese" were ever Portuguese to begin
with. It was nothing more than a means of survival.
> Now, the real question is, how did the Poythress name come into this
settlement. That's one to ponder til the end of time because we'll never
know. Another possibility is that there was a tribe that floated along the
border counties of NC/VA, by the name of Porteskill, that were eventually
absorbed by the Catawba in the early 1600's. Could it be that this is
something that carried on? Who knows?
> I do have one question for you guys, In 1715 in Catawba County NC prior to
it being Catawba County but the legislation was held in town that is located
in present day Catawba, there was passed a name change for a Benjamin
Poythress and a Robert Poythress to the last name of Speight. Anyone have
any clue as to who these two gentlemen are?? As far as I have found, this is
the earliest documentation of Poythress name being in NC. I also find it
rather ironic that that Saponi of Fort Christanna are close cousins to the
Catawba that absorbed the Porteskill as well as had control of the local
area of what is now Catawba County which is where we have the name change.
Has anyone checked out the name Speight? Seems that it's a predominant FPC
name as well.
> I hope that this hasn't confused anyone which I am sure it has but you
have to take the blinders off when it comes to this community. It can't be
dealt with as a regular genealogist would handle research. These people
covered 5 races in a matter of 50 years. My own grandmother is listed in
1920 as mulatto, 1930 as white and 1934 as Portuguese. That terminology
never played into the settlement until the 1923 law. The names are much more
reliable than the race issue. That's what I am basing my research on and
considering it is the Poythress name, I can only hope that you all will do
the same and not take "Portuguese Settlement" literal. I can tell horror
stories of what my family went through to try to keep some sort of identity.
If you will, check out http://www.saponitown.com. This is the group of
people that I have been working with. I have worked with Forrest Hazel as
well as Lawrence Dunmore from the Occaneechi. I am also working with Chief
Walt Brown of the Cheranauka No!
> ttoway and Barry Carter with SouthEastern VA Native American Descendants
Association. I think that there's alot more at work here than just tracing
names.
> Crystal 🙂
> Rather than starting a hot debate on the race issue, please send opinions
to me directly and not bog down the mailing list. Thank you 🙂
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> The Poythress Genealogy List is hosted by RootsWeb. To learn more about
Rootsweb please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/
>		10/30/2003 6:21:33
Re: Ca FirestormMaynard and All,

We are okay here in the coastal area. We are 40 to 50 miles from the
firestorm. Last Saturday we were inundated with ash which looked like a light snow
falling. The air was thick with vapors and so we have been staying indoors with
the house closed tightly. The sun was a bright neon orange when it was visible.
Southern CA's desert area is a fragile eco system. The firestorm is far from
over but the weather today is promising.

Best to all, Barbara (BPW)		10/31/2003 4:34:36
Re: Portuguese SettlementYes, FPC is Free Persons of Color.



11/02/2003 7:30:29
New Poythress WebsiteAlbert R. TimsPoythress List,

We are in the process of completing the relocation of the Poythress
Genealogy Website. The new site will not have banner ads, pop-under ads
or other external impositions.

The new url (please change your bookmarks) is www.poythress.net


Nearly all of the files have been migrated and most have new designs.
With more than 400 individual pages and image files (some quite complex)
needing new templates and navigation tools, this is a fairly significant
redesign. Again, not all document conversions are complete - so you may
find some dead links - especially for individual deeds.

I think we will find the new navigation tools easy to use. The site map
and search engines aren't in place yet, but are on the drawing board for
future implementation.

As you review the site please make note of places where you might made a
contribution of grave marker transcriptions, wills, deeds, bible
records, etc. And, of course, studies, time lines, charts are useful
additions. We will not post copyright protected materials unless
permissions have been obtained.

Thanks again to all of you who've contributed so much of your work to
share with others. We'll post another quick note when all the documents
are converted.

Al Tims		11/05/2003 6:14:56
Peter Poythress DNA questionBarbara P. NealHi Randy -

Thanks for getting back re Peter Poythress.

Actually, I should have been more clear about what I was thinking: I
should have said that I was hoping to find a Poythress-surnamed male who
is descended from Peter Poythress who was on the Mecklenburg County,
Virginia Tax Lists in the late 1700s.

Sounds to me like your ancestor Peter Poythress was of an even earlier
generation than the one I was thinking of when I drafted my message, and
heaven knows, if we could find a Poythress-surnamed male who descended
from your ancestor Peter Poythress who married Ann Jones in 1711, that
would be fantastic. I confess that he is not one of the Poythress men
that I have much familiarity with.

Do you know from your research whether he had male descendants? I ask
because a Y-DNA Surname Study (like our Poythress one) requires testing
males of the surname, who descend from males of the surname. This is
because the tiny portion of DNA that is being checked is only contained
in the Y-chromosome that is passed down only by fathers to their sons.
It continues from father to son to son to son etc, and only changes ever
so slightly over many hundreds of years.

I look forward to hearing whether you are aware of him having any male
descendants. Thanks again for writing -

Barbara

11/6/03 Randy Jones wrote:
> --- "Barbara P. Neal" wrote:
> We also still need a man who knows he descends from Peter Poythress of
Mecklenburg County, VA in the same time latter half of the 1700s.
>
> I am a descendent of the Peter Poythress who married
1711 Ann Jones, and who had a daughter Ann
(1712-58) who married Richard Bland. Is this the one
from whom you need a DNA test?
>
> -- Randy Jones		11/06/2003 1:18:56
More re Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Study - Correction re Meredith PoythressBarbara P. NealI'm sorry Maynard (& your relatives), for the confusion I mistakenly
caused for all of us in mis-stating your descent from Meredith Poythress
in my message last night, where I erroneously said that I understood
Maynard to be descended from Meredith Poythress' son George Washington
Poythress (Wrong!)

I think I must have been looking at a printed version of your family's
record, and have skipped a portion, when going back & forth between
reading & typing. Should not have sent out my message before "sleeping
on it" and proofreading it.

Thank you, Maynard, for the correction you sent to me tonight, which
corrected info I am including here to get your record straight:

11/6/03 John M. Poythress wrote:
> We are decended from
> Meredith Poythress, Sr. by his first wife Edith Cleaton of
Mecklenburg County, VA.
|
>Meredith Poythress, Jr. m. Susan R. Maner
|
>John Maner Poythress m. Rhoda Gross
|
>Horace Cullen Poythress m. Flossie Odetta Wells (they are our
grandparents).

Sorry -
Barbara		11/06/2003 2:10:01
More re Poythress-Surname Y-DNA StudyBarbara P. NealSorry for the delay in giving more detail of the most recent DNA test
results from participants. The delay was due to my travel and subsequent
intense matters here in Southern California.

I hope in coming weeks to send to Al Tims, webmaster of our Poythress
Research website, some information to post on our Poythress Research
website regarding our Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Study, including some
about what we know about the various ancestral family lines.

I have already updated the link from where our Study is listed at
FamilyTreeDNA to our new website that Al Tims announced to us all this
week. This will enable people to easily connect to our Poythress
Research site when they are first reading about our Study at that
company's website. (As noted previously, I am a purely-volunteer Group
Administrator for our Study; I have no connection with that company.)
Thanks to a change that company made in their own website, it is now
easier for those interested in participating in our Study to go ahead
and directly sign up for the Study, without the intermediate step of the
company sending an email to me first. If potential participants want
more information from me prior to signing up for the Study, they of
course can easily do that from the company's page about our Study.

As I noted in my Oct. 10th message, we had test results from two more
participants in our Poythress-Surname Y-DNA Study. This gives us a total
so far of 8 men participating who have received their test results.

All 8 of them match 12 for 12 on the first 12 markers of the 25 marker
test. (As noted earlier, I don't find this surprising at all, with a
surname as relatively rare as ours, and that is the reason we need the
25 marker test to get informative results for our Poythress research.)

Looking further at these 8 men's test results: from the other 13 markers
of the 25 marker test, we have several subgroups developing. All 8 of
these mens' test results are quite close to one another.

Our largest subgroup has 4 men in it (Karl, David, Kevin, & Dale). These
4 men match on all 25 of 25 markers. The following is from what I know
of each of the family records for these 4 men (Please correct me, and/or
add to the information available about the furthest known ancestor if
you have documentable sources):

- Karl knows he is descended from Algernon Edward Poythress, and from
AEP's father James Edward Poythress, who was born 13 Aug 1803 in
Mecklenburg County, VA; he married Catherine Preston in Feb 1828 in
Brunswick Co, VA; he died 17 Jan 1863 in Sumter County, Alabama and is
buried there.

- David knows he is descended from James Speed Poythress, and from
JSP's father David Poythress, who was born 26 Jan 1800 in Virginia;
married #1 Mary Speed Dortch in Dec 1827 in Mecklenburg Co, VA; married
#2 Sally Dortch in March 1848 in Warren Co, NC; he died 26 Sep 1876 and
is buried in Henderson, NC.

- Kevin and Dale know they descend from Joseph Sidney Poythress, and
from his father John Lewis Poythress who was born 29 Aug 1829 in VA; he
married Tabitha Ann Nunn in, I think, Dec 1848; he died 27 Feb 1905 and
is buried in Epsom, NC, which is near the county line between Vance and
Franklin Counties.

The next closest batch of test results to these 4 men is one subgroup of
2 men, Gene and John, who match the above 4 men on 24 of 25 markers.
Gene & John have a "17" on marker #464c, while the above 4 men have a
"16" on that marker. The following is from what I know of each of their
family records (Again, please correct me, and/or add to the information
available about their furthest known ancestor if you have documentable
sources):

- Gene knows he is descended from John P. Poythress, who was born 19
Sep 1833 in Gadsden County of the Florida Territory; he married Mary Ann
Dolan in April 1866; he died in Sep 1905 in Gadsden County, FL and is
buried there. We think John P. Poythress was son of James Poythress who
had earlier moved to Gadsden County, FL from Georgia.

- John knows he is descended from Thomas Boston Poythress, and from
Thomas' father William E. Poythress, who was born 11 July 1833; he
married Martha J. Usher in Dec 1857; he died 23 Dec 1907 and is buried
in North Newington, Screven County, GA.

Then we have two potential other "subgroups" (though it seems premature
to call them subgroups, since right now we have one man in each):

Bud and Maynard each match the first 4 men on 23 of 25 markers, and they
both match the second subgroup (of Gene & John) on 24 of 25 markers,
having that same "17" on marker #464c that Gene & John have. However,
Bud and Maynard differ from one another, and from the other 6 men, on
marker #458. On that marker, the other 6 men have a "16" while Maynard
has a "15" and Bud has a "17." (As you may can tell from just this much
of a discussion, it all gets quite technical.)

Both Bud and Maynard trace their descent from Meredith Poythress who
died in Screven County, Georgia, with

- Bud descending, as I understand it, from Meredith's son John White
Poythress, who was born 13 Jan 1821; he married #1 Mary Ann Margaret
Wilder in Feb 1844, and married #2 around 1880-1882 Martha Virgin(ia)
Flake; he is believed to be buried with both his wives in Effingham
County, GA near Newington, GA.

- Maynard descending, as I understand it, from Meredith's son George
Washington Poythress, who was born 13 Jan 1819; he married Susan R.
Maner (though I realize now I am missing where & when they married and
where & when he died).

We really need more Poythress-Surnamed men to participate to clarify
things for our Poythress research.

We also still need a known descendant of Lewis Poythress (who lived in
Mecklenburg County, Virginia during the latter half of the 1700s), in
order to see what Lewis' Y-DNA looks like. This will also tell us the
Y-DNA for Lewis' brother Major George Poythress, who moved from Virginia
to Georgia; he married Hetty Carter; he got land in Jackson County, FL
(which is adjacent to Gadsden County, FL) in July 1827; he died about
July of 1832 and referred to his brother Lewis Poythress in Virginia in
his Will.

We also still need a man who knows he descends from Peter Poythress of
Mecklenburg County, VA in the same time latter half of the 1700s.

We will learn more by examining how close/remote the test results are
from those descended from various Poythress ancestors. And by studying
that along with all the traditional genealogy clues we can uncover about
each of them in various records (tax records; land records; censuses;
estate records; court records; etc) we'll be able to figure out the
relationships among them.

If you are a Poythress-descended-female, you can encourage your
Poythress-surnamed father, brother, uncle or male cousin to participate.
If you don't know of one of these males in your Poythress line, and
would like help locating a Poythress-surnamed male in your family's line
to participate to learn how your Poythress line relates, let me know and
together we can attempt to locate a Poythress-surnamed man in your
family line to approach.

The non-invasive Y-DNA testing is a simple matter of swabbing the inside
of your mouth. Much information about the process is also available in
the "Frequently Asked Questions" or "FAQ" section of the website for the
company that we have used for the testing, Family Tree DNA, whose
website is:
www.familytreedna.com

I have absolutely no relationship with that company; I am purely a
volunteer at coordinating our Poythress results, so we can all learn
more about our Poythress line. I can assure you from the extensive
reading and studying I've been doing for some time now about DNA: that
company is very reputable; is very highly thought of; and has a most
reasonable price structure for the number of markers tested.

Anyone interested in participating in our Poythress-Surname DNA Study is
welcome to email me for more information.

Barbara Poythress Neal
bp_neal@earthlink.net		11/06/2003 3:35:59
Re: More re Poythress-Surname Y-DNA StudyRandy Jones--- "Barbara P. Neal" wrote:



> We also still need a man who knows he descends from
> Peter Poythress of
> Mecklenburg County, VA in the same time latter half
> of the 1700s.

I am a descendent of the Peter Poythress who married
1711 Ann Jones, and who had a daughter Ann
(1712-58)who married Richard Bland. Is this the one
from whom you need a DNA test?

-- Randy Jones

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Re: Peter Poythress DNA questionBarbara P. NealBummer... It would've been great to get back via Peter's DNA to that of
Francis Poythress himself.

Thanks for your interest in the project, Randy.
Barbara

11/7/03 Randy Jones wrote:
> --- "Barbara P. Neal" wrote:
>
>>if we could find a Poythress-surnamed
>>male who descended
>>from your ancestor Peter Poythress who married Ann
>>Jones in 1711, that
>>would be fantastic. I confess that he is not one of
>>the Poythress men
>>that I have much familiarity with.
>
>
> To the best of my knowledge, his daughter Ann
> (1712-58) was an only child.
>
> -- Randy Jones		11/07/2003 2:35:23
Re: Peter Poythress DNA questionRandy Jones--- "Barbara P. Neal" wrote:
> if we could find a Poythress-surnamed
> male who descended
> from your ancestor Peter Poythress who married Ann
> Jones in 1711, that
> would be fantastic. I confess that he is not one of
> the Poythress men
> that I have much familiarity with.

To the best of my knowledge, his daughter Ann
(1712-58) was an only child.

-- Randy Jones

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Free SearchesJohn M. PoythressThis was on the Mecklenburg, VA county wire this morning:



I just found this out from another list .



Free census records from heritage quest for a limited time.



HeritageQuest Online and ProQuest Historical New York Times - Password
is Welcome as it states under the heritage quest link on that page.



http://riversideregionallibrary.org




Have fun !



Tina Smith





MP comments: you may find a nougat here. I didn't but I didn't look
all that hard.



The historical NY Times was of no interest (to me at any rate).



At the Heritage Quest site you can look up "books" by surname; for
Poythress the first several were worthwhile "real" books will likely
interest most of us. However, after about a dozen entries the list
quickly degenerated into one of those sweeps that calls anybody else's
gedcom "a book" and it's no more comprehensive than any of the other
sites that do this, most often at no cost.



For the portion of Heritage Quest that is the Census Look-ups, it's
fairly good considering the price (free) but it only lists one line
heads of household, won't find variant spellings, and won't find one
surname living in the household of another. Elaine has already hauled
this heavy water for us and her list on the website is much more
productive. However, if you are doing a casual search for some Sally
Lou Laudermilk type and don't have any other resource you can likely
find her (if she's head of a household).



Maynard





11/10/2003 4:32:16
Semi-neat siteJohn M. PoythressThe Trading Path Association is a non-profit NC group whose members
study the historical trading and migration routes between

Virginia and NC across the Piedmont. Address: www.tradingpath.org
...two or three very interesting maps
are on the site.



Maynard





11/15/2003 2:24:56
Re: Semi-neat siteMichael TutorInteresting maps and photos of the trails.

I would like to get to the LVA also. I would hate to think that making a
trip there that they would actually limit the amount of papers that you
could go through.................Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 9:24 AM
Subject: Semi-neat site


> The Trading Path Association is a non-profit NC group whose members
> study the historical trading and migration routes between
>
> Virginia and NC across the Piedmont. Address: www.tradingpath.org
> ...two or three very interesting maps
> are on the site.
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
> ==== POYTHRESS Mailing List ====
> Poythress Genealogy Research Web
> www.poythress.net
>
>		11/15/2003 7:30:54
Screven CountyJohn M. PoythressInteresting post off the Screven line. My comments:

1) "Liza Jane" sure comes in for some period male chauvinistic
remarks. Don't think I've ever heard "large, fleshy lady" used

presumably as a compliment.

2) We are distant kin to these Lees and I think even the
Hollingsworths.it's so distant it seemed not worth looking up.

3) For those gone from the South long enough to not remember what
a "lightwood knot" is, it goes most often by the name of
"fat-lighter-wood." It is the heart of the now nearly extinct long
needle pine which once covered the entire SE of the nation.

It is virtually all flammable resin held together by the matrix of
cellulose fiber. Guys still "harvest" the stuff that's left out of 100+
year old stumps and sell it to L. L. Bean who sells it by little
kindling strips to yups to light fireplaces with. The stuff

goes off almost like a firecracker so Been even packs a warning flyer
inside the box.



As a matter of interest as to how durable the stuff is in addition to
how flammable, when Bud and I dug out the tombstone of John Maner
Poythress 1832-1866 there had been a fence built around the grave at the
time of burial in 1866. The part of the fence that had remained several
inches underground would have been perfectly acceptable to use again as
building material when Bud and I found it in 1999...assuming one could
even drive a nail into it now which is doubtful.



The long needle pine was virtually cleared out of the South in the last
half of the nineteenth century. These beauties grew to 100 feet or
more. What you see in the South today is either slash or loblolly pine
planted by paper companies. Don't believe their nonsense about we're
"growing" more trees than we found used to imply environment-friendly.
The fact is a plantation pine mono-culture supports pine trees, weeds
and very little of anything else. Likely its only virtue is it's better
than cotton.









I have been asked to re-post the biographical sketch of Wilson Conner
Cooper, which is taken from the diary of his brother, Rev. Thomas B.C.
Cooper. Rev. Cooper began his diary in the 1840's and continued it
until about 1906. It contains biographical sketches of his brothers,
sisters, parents and grandparents. It also contains a day to day record
of the life of this remarkable man, educator and minister, and his
family, who had come from near Mt. Vernon, GA. to Cooperville in Screven
County to claim an inheritance. My own ancestors, the Evans and Moores,
were closely associated with this family and very involved in the
schools in which the Cooper men taught. I possessed a hand written copy
of this diary for many years, and gave it to Cooper family descendants
who placed it in the Cooper collection at Brewton Parker College at Mt.
Vernon. Many members of my family served under "Captain" John Randolph
Cooper, another brother, who was captain of the "Ogeechee Rifles" a un!
it of the 25th Georgia Infantry Brigade which was 1st Company D, later
Co. K, of Wilsons, Stevens, and Jacksons Army of Tennessee. This unit
served in the Battle at Jackson, Miss. Chickamauga (where they were
engaged in the first moments of the battle) all the battles from Dalton
to Jonesboro, Franklin, Nashville, Murphreesboro, Bentonville and
Missionary Ridge.

The original request was made for the Confederate military record of
Wilson Conner Cooper. His brother states that he served at the end of
the war. In the last days of the Confederacy, there was a call for the
defense of Georgia from the invading armies of the north. What was left
of the local militias, old men, boys, and those previously considered
unfit for service went to help defend Atlanta. Very few records and
muster roles exist from these last called soldiers. It was probably in
this group that Wilson C. Cooper served.



Alex Lee

















Wilson Conner Cooper named for grandfather Conner, was the oldest. He
was small of body fair complexion black hair and blue eyes. From a boy,
he was passionately fond of reading and study and so spent much of the
nights after the days farmwork, by the light of home made tallow candles
and lightwood knots. His school opportunities were very limited but his
own efforts mainly he procured the means to take a course at Brown
University. He managed with his father's and younger brothers
assistance to raise about twenty bales of cotton which with the high
price then prevailing added to what he had previously made by teaching a
school in Laurens County, sufficed to pay his expenses. He graduated at
that institution while Dr. Wayland was president, in 1841. He was
strictly moral and temperent having no bad habits but did not make
professsion of religion till later in life. He ws baptized July 1852 by
Rev. James Miller Pastor and joined Wades Church (Screven County) of
which h! e was afterwards on Oct. 16, 1854, made a deacon, myself
assisting in the ordination and preaching the sermon. His life work was
teaching and farming. He married Miss Eliza Jane Durant of Chatham
County, formerlly of South Carolina. She became a large, fleshy lady of
fair complexion, blue eyes and black hair. She was always healthy and
handsome till the time of her death. Alhough high tempered and
passionate she made him a good and useful wife and governed her children
well. He settled in the lower part of Cooperville (Screven County)
where J. C. Hollingsworth now lives and was himself building a large
dwelling house at the time of his death, in the upper story of which he
had previously taught a boarding school. (The J. C. Hollingsworth house
was torn down this year, 2003. - Alex Lee) He was in Condederate
service during the latter part of the war, although exempt by law as a
teacher, and suffering from enlargement of the heart. He accumulated
one of the best and most valuable private libraries in the state, He
acquired a vast treasury of varied knowledge, but on account of natural
timidity, employed it almost en! tirely within his own family and
school, and among his immediate neighbors.

After his return from college he taught school regularly for several
years, first in what was called the "Old Young House" three miles below
home on the Lousiville Road and then at Paris Hill, a new Academy which
he had been instrumental in establishing. (THe Young family was a
prominent family living near Cameron, now the old Capt. Henderson place.
It was the Young family who named "Sylvania" and Halcyondale", Willis
Young, I believe. The Paris Hill Academy stood at the south end of
Jarrell Pond and was in tis day a very advanced school. Some children
even from Bulloch County came there for higher education. - Alex Lee)

He taught his brothers and sisters free of tuition. He had eleven
children four of whom died about the same time when quite young, of
diphtheria and another soon afterwards of dysentery. Their names were
Frank, Lizzie, Joe, Mattie, George, Booney, Molley, Belle, Nannie,
Lutie, Janie. He and the first five named children are buried in Wades
Cemetery, middle row. His wife, Joe, Nannie, and Lutie are buried in
Bryan Texas, to which state they moved after his death, and in which
town she made her home. Mollie who marred Mr. O. E. Marshall member of
a Savannah family, and Belle a widow with one daughter, Janie are living
together in Brownwood Texas, and Janie wih her husband near Bryan.
Molley has five or six children but I know the names of only Anna and
Fannie Belle.

.



______________________________		11/17/2003 8:05:27
Excellent resourceBarbara P. NealToday the below excellent article was sent to the group (including me) that gets
regular mail from a NC genealogy society. Just from the first part, one can see
it is well worth reading -

Obituaries: More Than Meets the Eye
by Kory L. Meyerink, AG

With the emphasis in genealogy so often on official records such as death
certificates, it's easy to overlook other sources of information about key life
events. Kory Meyerink shows you how to use obituaries to supplement, and
sometimes substitute for, what can be found in the official death record.
Quickie quiz:

* What original source usually provides more information about its subject
than any other original record?
* What source may provide cause of death before death certificates were
required?
* What source tells you what became of Aunt Jenny's children?
* Besides church records, what source can tell you which specific church
(congregation) a person belonged to?
* What is the best source for learning about the lives of female ancestors?
* What is the one "biographical sketch" most available for the common man?
* What source provides occupational details, such as the company an
ancestor worked for?
* What source do family historians often ignore in their research?


If you answered "Obituaries" to each of the above questions, than you have at
least read the title of this article. But, more than that, you are beginning
to get an understanding (if you didn't already have one) of the great value
that this under-appreciated source has for family historians.

Yes, of course, you know about obituaries. After all, you have been reading
them in the newspaper for years. Perhaps you even helped write the obituary for
a parent, grandparent, or other loved one. But obituaries are like several
other records we encounter in our everyday, modern life; ones we often fail to
consider when researching our ancestors and other relatives. In this way, they
are like tax records, voter registration, and telephone books. Our own names,
as well as our spouse and children, are on these "modern" records, but we
often don't make them a regular part of our family research.

There are several reasons why we overlook obituaries so often. First, we
don't teach enough about them in our books and genealogy classes, either in formal
settings, or online. Second, we don't understand the scope and coverage of
obituaries. Third, we believe they are more difficult to access. Well, this
article is an effort to overcome (in part) the first problem while specifically
addressing the second and third issues.

Scope and Coverage of Obituaries

Newspapers have been published on a regular basis in North America since 1704
since the four page Boston News-Letter made its debut. However, they grew
slowly until the Industrial Revolution of the mid-nineteenth century changed
many aspects of American life. These changes included the power printing press
and the railroads, both making it easier to get and distribute news over a
greater distance.

After the American Revolution, as communities grew, local news became
increasingly important for the newspapers. No longer was everyone familiar with
what was happening locally. In the early 1800s, death notices began to increase,
but they were seldom more than a simple notice: the deceased's name, age, and
residence were are usually all one finds in these early years.

The traditional biographical obituary, with which we are so familiar,
primarily developed after the U.S. Civil War. As the interest in local news
grew, newspapers added more and more information and a wider range of people to
their traditional death notices. While there will not be an obituary on every
person who died in the latter half of the 1800s, you will find them for a very
large number of the adults, especially those who had been resident in a
community for a number of years.

By the time of the U.S. Centennial (1876), with the growing interest in
history, obituaries may have included any (but seldom all) of the following:

* Name of the deceased
* Age and/or birth date
* Residence
* Spouse and children's names
* Other survivors: siblings, aunts and uncles, grandchildren, nieces,
nephews, etc.
* Cause of death
* Occupation
* Religious membership/Church affiliation
* Fraternal or social memberships
* Past social or government positions
* Migration (when they settled in the local community)
* Birth town, even in foreign countries
* Parent's names
* Funeral arrangements
* Cemetery of burial
* Noteworthy life events (such as military service)
* Information on grandparents and ancestry
* and a host of other possible information

As time progressed, even more persons were subjects of even more detailed,
biographical obituaries, encompassing more and more items on the above list. By
the 1890s, it is rare not to find a reasonable obituary of a longtime adult
member of the local community. Of course, like with most biographical records,
the greater public interest in the individual, the greater depth of coverage.

One word of caution. This description fits best in rural communities and
small cities. The larger cities of the nineteenth century, such as New York,
Chicago, St. Louis, and many others, did not include as much information on as
many residents. Therefore, locating obituaries of family members in such cities
continues to be problematic.

Nontraditional Newspapers

Obituaries were not just printed in local newspapers. Many church
denominations and ethnic groups published newspapers focused on the group they
served, not the community in which they were printed. While many ethnic
newspapers did have a geographic focus, many others did not. For example, the
Luxembourger Gazette was published in Dubuque, Iowa, but included news from
every Luxembourg community throughout the United States. The presence of an
every-name index to almost 50 years of the newspaper aids users in finding
thousands of obituaries for this group.

Religious groups have also published newspapers. Their pages are filled with
news about the denomination, and that news includes obituaries of members,
regardless of where they lived. Larger denominations, such as Roman Catholic,
will have a geographic focus (typically that of a diocese), but smaller groups
may cover several states within the same issue.

The information in ethnic and religious newspapers is particularly useful,
since they often deal with immigrants, and may be the only source identifying
the foreign home of the deceased. Consider the following obituary, translated
from the original in Der Christliche Apologete, 1895:

Koch - sister Sophie Koch nee Moor died 24 March 1895 of a stroke. She was
born in Grosseneixen, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, the 1st of June 1831. She came to
this country in 1857 and married Christoph Koch the same year. Christmas Eve of
the same year they converted to God with the help of Brother Fischback and
joined the church. In 1864 they came from Jackson County to here and joined the
parish of Zion. Sister K was a faithful member to the end. In addition to her
grieving husband, she leaves 7 adult children and 2 grandchildren.

Zion, OhioJ.G. Grimmer, Assistant pastor in the Ironton district

For more information about denominational newspapers, see Richard Dougherty's
chapter, "Published Church Records" in Printed Sources (Salt Lake City,
Ancestry, 1998).

Locating Obituaries and Newspapers

Unfortunately, there is no master index of all obituaries in all newspapers.
In fact, most newspapers don't even have an index to all the obituaries which
have appeared in their pages over the years. Of course, if you know the date
of death (or approximate date), you can obtain copies of the newspapers for
that time frame, and begin the search, page by page. However, there are easier
ways.

First, determine if there is an index for the obituaries. One useful tool to
begin with is Betty Jarboe's Obituaries: A Guide to Sources, 2d edition
(Boston: G. K. Hall, 1989). Primarily an index of published obituaries in book
form, the second edition adds published compilations of cemetery records, making
this list broader than records typically considered as obituaries. The
appendixes include a list of obituary card files that have been compiled by
major libraries, and a list of (now outdated) on-line databases that contain
obituaries. Arranged geographically, with the United States followed by
individual states and a few foreign countries, you can also use the index at the
back of the book, which alphabetically lists authors, titles, and subjects to
find known sources, especially those which may defy geographic identification.

Obituaries are often indexed by local genealogical societies, and those
indexes may be published as an ongoing series in the society's periodical. To
locate such indexes, search the Periodical Source Index (PERSI) for the state or
county of interest, and the subject "Obituaries." This important index is
available in most genealogical libraries, online at Ancestry.com, and on CD-ROM
from Ancestry.

Often an obituary index is too lengthy to publish in a periodical, so an
entire book is published for distribution to individuals and libraries. Most
such books end up in major libraries, with the Family History Library having
perhaps the most complete collection. Examine their catalog online at
FamilySearch.org for the locality where the newspaper of interest was published.
You can also contact local libraries or historical societies in the town where
the newspaper was published and inquire if they have an index. This approach
will uncover published versions, as well as unpublished card or computer indexes
that reside only at such repositories. Of course, you can also contact the
newspaper and ask if they have an index, or know of a separately
separately-prepared index, to their past obituaries.

Recent obituaries, generally from about 1996 forward, in major newspapers are
archived at Ancestry.com in their collection of UMI obituaries. UMI is a
company that microfilms newspapers, and, in recent years, collects electronic
versions as well.

Second, you will need to obtain access to the newspapers of interest. Don't
assume that there was only one newspaper. Until well into the 20th century,
many small towns still had two newspapers. Sometimes the deceased died at a
child's home, far from where she lived most of her life. If so, an obituary may
be published in both locations, and perhaps even more.

Today, most older newspapers are available on microfilm, and can be sent
directly to your local library through the Interlibrary Loan program. Therefore,
I usually start my search for newspapers in the book, Newspapers in Microform:
United States, 1948-1983 (2 vols. Washington, D.C.: Library of Congress,
1984). Although slightly dated, this lists most U.S.newspapers which are
available on microfilm, and even lists many of the repositories where the
microfilms are housed. Your local library should have a copy. Of course, your
local librarian has access to many other sources to help him or her learn who
has a copy the library can borrow for you. There may be some small fees for
shipping the microfilm, and you will have to use it at that library.

Of course, if your travels take you to the location where the newspaper was
published, you have other options. Most active newspaper offices have a
relatively complete back file (also often on microfilm), and you can ask to view
the newspaper at their office. Of course, the newspaper you are seeking may have
ceased publication, so this may not be an option. But, on the other hand, the
current newspaper may be the same newspaper with a name change, or may be a
merger of two or more previous newspapers, so a little research into the history
of the newspaper may be useful. In addition, the local library in a
newspaper's town should have a copy of the newspaper. This is often a better way
to search, as you do not disturb the current newspaper office, and a library
generally has longer research hours than does a commercial publisher.

You also know that there is no rule in genealogy that you have to do all the
searching yourself. You can ask a local person, such as a librarian, or a
newspaper worker (often they have a staff librarian) to look up the obituary,
but only if you have a page reference (from an index), or at least the date of
death. On occasion, you may want to hire a local researcher, who should know
about indexes, access, fees, and other important information.

Third, if you determine that there is no index to obituaries for the area and
time frame you are researching, you will have to search the newspapers. This
means that you will want to determine, as closely as possible, when and where
a person died. Many genealogical sources may provide this information,
including death certificates, cemetery inscriptions, church records, and family
sources. Failing those sources, look for a probate, which will help you
approximate the date of death.

With the newspaper in hand (usually on microfilm), begin your search a few
days (or two or three weeks if a weekly newspaper) before the death. Your death
date may be incorrect, but more importantly, if the subject was very ill,
there may be notice, especially in rural newspapers, of relatives coming to
visit. After the death, obituaries were typically published about two days
later, but you should begin the day after death, as it may have run that soon,
depending on distance, deadlines, etc. Search at least a week to 10 days after
the death. Sometimes it took time for someone to write and submit the obituary.
If the paper was only issued weekly, check at least three issues after the date
of death.

Don't stop your search once you find a death notice or a fuller obituary. An
initial death notice may precede the obituary by a couple of days. After the
obituary, you may find additional notices, sometimes even a "card of thanks" by
the family in gratitude for those who expressed their condolences.

Once you have examined a few issues of a newspaper, you will find that
obituaries are typically run in the same location, along with other local news,
and sometimes near the classified advertisements. Therefore, you don't have to
read the entire newspaper. Larger newspapers, with multiple sections, won't
place obituaries in the sports, finance, or world news sections, for example. On
the other hand, if the death was sudden, possibly criminal, accidental, or if
the deceased was a notable person in the community, there may be a news story
associated with the death. Typically it will not be with the obituaries, but on
an earlier "news" oriented page. In such situations, also watch for a formal
obituary in the next couple of days.

Conclusion

Now, take this new information and get searching. Examine your records for
persons who died within the last 150 years or so. If you don't have their
obituaries, begin the hunt. It is fun, easy, inexpensive, and most of all, will
add significant information to what you know about each of them. Who knows, it
may also give you the clues you need to overcome a brick wall!

About the Author
Kory Meyerink is an accredited genealogist who lives in Salt Lake City where
he currently conducts professional research for ProGenealogists.com, a
division of Ancestral Quest, and for Genealogical Research Associates. He is the
author of Ancestry's Printed Sources, past president of the Utah Genealogical
Society, founder of the Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy, and teaches at many
national and local conferences.		11/21/2003 3:20:31
Urban MythJohn M. PoythressIt turns out that the colonial VA “urban myth” of “the nine Misses Poythress and the eight Misses Poythress” is not so mythical as some have suspected. Overlooking a couple of minor generational errors the “eight” is dead on. The “nine”, indicated by RBB to be only “three”, are revealed to actually be “six” in the later will of their father Robert Poythress to which RBB did not have access. This material is most notably mentioned in a document at the VA Hist Soc known as “the Maitland Family Bible.”



The nine Misses Poythress were advertised as daughters of Robert Poythress (RBB# 28) 1690-1745, and the eight Misses Poythress are daughters of Peter Poythress 1715-1785 (RBB 281..son of Robert).



I have been consumed for several weeks trying to get this thing described and “corrected” in a minor way and in general to capture it in what I aspire make into a comprehensive “essay” form. As you can imagine, starting from scratch to pin down spouses and marriage dates for 17 brides and 17 grooms is something of a bear.



The “missing” are named Harwood, Minge, Godby and Runciman/Rubsamen. I have posted queries on both the Prince George board, the Southside board and the River James board. No responses. I have gone to the web looking for family websites and making many contacts without much success. I’d like to post this thing and gain some measure of “closure” (leaving the blanks blank) but as a last shot I’ll list the missing parts for the board. As a demographic proposition, we are the most likely people to have Poythress information tucked away in a corner of a hard drive.



Below are my “missing” with what information I do have. Would each of you be so kind to run a search and let me know if you have anything substantive about one or more particular questions. Many, many thanks.



▪ “Mr. Goode”

Mr. Goode is “of Whitby” but so are 99% of all the other Goodes. The likeliest source has “Joseph Goode b. 1688, of Whitby,

Henrico County, son of John Goode and Anne Bennett m. Poythress Whatlow about 1715 in VA. This looks like a dead ringer (if we place father Robert’s birthdate earlier than 1690) except the Poythress name to me appears something of an obvious error. Poythress is most unlikely to be a daughter’s given name (especially with five sisters with conventional names) and “Whatlow” is not likely to be her surname. “Susanna Poythress’ below would be a candidate except she is shown in her father’s 1743 will as unmarried vs. the 1715 date of the marriage above, thus probably ruling her out.



▪ “Mr. Runciman” or “Mr. Rubsamen.”

I’m drawing a complete blank here.



▪ “Mary Anna Minge” nee Poythess is a daughter and a legatee in Robert Poythress’ 1743 will. Who was Mr. Minge and when did they marry?



▪ “Agness Harwood” nee Poythress is a daughter and a legatee (along with HER daughter Tabitha) is a legatee in Robert Poythress’ 1743 will. Who was Mr. Harwood and when did they marry?



▪ “Susanna Poythress” is an unmarried daughter and legatee in Robert Poythress’ 1743 will. To whom and when was she later married? A Susanna shows m. Richard Bland III 1762 which is too late.





Harwood, Minge and Goode names show all over VA in the period so they should not be suspect. All of the above would be involved in the “nine Misses Poythress” scenario, daughters (or grooms of daughters) born to Robert Poythress 1690-1745. His birthday may be a shade earlier; his death date is likely correct. Thus it is likely all of these marriages happened in the first third of the 1700’s. No information on the “nine” is given in the Maitland except the surname of the grooms. Keep in mind that the problem with “the nine” is that the entry in the Maitland bible is likely decades after the fact; it is entirely possible that a Poythress bride shown might NOT be a daughter of Robert…or even the same line.



Any help would be appreciated.



Thanks,



Maynard		11/23/2003 12:59:43
PettypoolJohn M. PoythressLou, if you're still on the wire, the above was on the Prince George
line this morning (VAPRINCEG-L@rootsweb.com). Thought you might be able
to help the guy or gal out since you are our resident Pettypool expert.



Best,



Maynard



Surnames: PETTYPOOL

Classification: Query



Message Board URL:



http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zBC.2ACI/440



Message Board Post:



I am seeking parent names and vital dates of Wil.liam PETTYPOOL born abt
1790 Prince George Co VA colony. William PETTYPOOL married Elizabeth
____? Any help would be appreciated.



Pat

plewis68@hotmail.com		11/24/2003 2:51:56
RE: Out of TownCliff and Sheryl TownsendMaynard,
If you are coming to Texas bring your coat. We are dropping down in the low
30's tonight.
sheryl

-----Original Message-----

Folks, I'll be off the wire from 11/25 to 12/7 out of town for extended
Thanksgiving visits. Wishing for you all a happy, joyous and SAFE
Thanksgiving.



Maynard




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www.poythress.net		11/24/2003 3:11:42
Rev War BountiesJohn M. PoythressThis very morning your resident computer village idiot has finally made
contact with his out-of -the-country guru and been instructed on the
matter of how to get these documents into his imager.



Concurrently, Jean and I are leaving tomorrow to spend Thanksgiving in
Georgia and the following week in New Orleans with our daughter. Both
locations are loaded with technological devices so I'll do the first
draft of these transcriptions "on location" while Jean hits the ground
shopping.



I'll have the drafts ready to post by 12/7 when I return.



Sorry for the delay, folks.



Maynard		11/24/2003 4:23:30
PG Court Orders 1714-1720John M. PoythressThis group of documents which I transcribed at the Clayton Library is
presently on the board.



Barbara Poythress Neal had previously found and copied from the Magazine
of Virginia Genealogy a series over several issues which were presumably
compilations of the identical documents (or at least titled the same)
prepared by Ben Weisiger. Ben, now deceased, was a reputable and
energetic compiler of many early Virginia records.



To my surprise, there were glaring discrepancies between these two
compilations with respect to the Poythress entries which were the only
ones I looked at seriously. The sequence of both sets of page numbers
was identical. However, my transcription (the one on the webpage) has
entries that Weisiger didn't show and Weisiger has entries that I don't
show, the same reports even had different participants and often
different dates. However, it seemed to me almost a certainty that we
were both copying off the same microfilm. I ruled out the potential
problem of one set of film leaving out pages because both sets of
"original" pages were consecutively numbered and there were seemingly
even "intra-page" contradictions.



Barbara, I contacted Minor Weisiger, Ben's son who works at the LVA..as
you suggested. I am an acquaintance of Minor's and he recalled me when
I sent him an email detailing the questions. He seems to be just as
curious as you and I with respect to the

"alleged" problem and would very much like to look into it. To my
surprise, I even got a hint of enthusiasm.



The suggestion is that I extract the Poythress entries from the series
identical to the webpage document and send them both to him to noodle
and search the LVA records while able to lay both copies side by side
for comparison entry by entry. I think we should be quite pleased with
his reaction. There is no hint of concern over conflict Involved in the
matter, just plain curiosity on both sides.



One technical problem. Barbara, I have already transcribed the
consecutive Poythress entries from the Mag. of VA Gen. EXCEPT I haven't
done the pages prior to p. 127 (of the PG order book) because I am
missing these pages. I have run a complete search through all my
paperwork and can't find these issues; it's hard to believe I have them
hiding because this would be a sizable wad of papers.



So...end of long story..Barbara, would you be so kind as to get me the
copies of the Magazine entries prior to Order Book p. 127. Or, if I
indeed lost them, be so kind as to get me "another" set? We can
accomplish this whatever way is easiest for you. Options are you can
re-photocopy and I'll pay, you can mail me your pages and I can copy on
my scanner and return your "originals". You may even want to copy the
Poythress entries prior to p. 127 and just email it to me. I had 20
entries prior to p. 127 and they're all short since court orders
typically run only 1 or 2 sentences but that is time consuming and in
general I have the time and you don't. So, whatever is easiest to you.



Many thanks,



Maynard		11/24/2003 4:59:15
Out of TownJohn M. PoythressFolks, I'll be off the wire from 11/25 to 12/7 out of town for extended
Thanksgiving visits. Wishing for you all a happy, joyous and SAFE
Thanksgiving.



Maynard		11/24/2003 5:01:38
Re: PG Court Orders 1714-1720Maynard, I'm glad to hear that Minor Weisiger is willing to help solve this puzzle. Also glad to learn you'll be having a good long Thanksgiving holiday trip, since I am already away on a trip for T'giving, too, and cannot see about copying the pages you're missing until I return. Will be glad, after I'm home again, to copy & mail to you the pages having Poythress entries from the PG Court Orders 1714-1720 prior to p.127 of the Court Order book as published in early issues of the Va Gen'l Society's magazine. Thanks for your further checking on all this.
BPN

John M. Poythress wrote:
> This group of documents which I transcribed at the Clayton Library is
> presently on the board.
>
> Barbara Poythress Neal had previously found and copied from the Magazine
> of Virginia Genealogy a series over several issues which were presumably
> compilations of the identical documents (or at least titled the same)
> prepared by Ben Weisiger. Ben, now deceased, was a reputable and
> energetic compiler of many early Virginia records.
>
> To my surprise, there were glaring discrepancies between these two
> compilations with respect to the Poythress entries which were the only
> ones I looked at seriously. The sequence of both sets of page numbers
> was identical. However, my transcription (the one on the webpage) has
> entries that Weisiger didn't show and Weisiger has entries that I don't
> show, the same reports even had different participants and often
> different dates. However, it seemed to me almost a certainty that we
> were both copying off the same microfilm. I ruled out the potential
> problem of one set of film leaving out pages because both sets of
> "original" pages were consecutively numbered and there were seemingly
> even "intra-page" contradictions.
>
> Barbara, I contacted Minor Weisiger, Ben's son who works at the LVA..as
> you suggested. I am an acquaintance of Minor's and he recalled me when
> I sent him an email detailing the questions. He seems to be just as
> curious as you and I with respect to the
> "alleged" problem and would very much like to look into it. To my
> surprise, I even got a hint of enthusiasm.
>
> The suggestion is that I extract the Poythress entries from the series
> identical to the webpage document and send them both to him to noodle
> and search the LVA records while able to lay both copies side by side
> for comparison entry by entry. I think we should be quite pleased with
> his reaction. There is no hint of concern over conflict Involved in the
> matter, just plain curiosity on both sides.
>
> One technical problem. Barbara, I have already transcribed the
> consecutive Poythress entries from the Mag. of VA Gen. EXCEPT I haven't
> done the pages prior to p. 127 (of the PG order book) because I am
> missing these pages. I have run a complete search through all my
> paperwork and can't find these issues; it's hard to believe I have them
> hiding because this would be a sizable wad of papers.
>
> So...end of long story..Barbara, would you be so kind as to get me the
> copies of the Magazine entries prior to Order Book p. 127. Or, if I
> indeed lost them, be so kind as to get me "another" set? We can
> accomplish this whatever way is easiest for you. Options are you can
> re-photocopy and I'll pay, you can mail me your pages and I can copy on
> my scanner and return your "originals". You may even want to copy the
> Poythress entries prior to p. 127 and just email it to me. I had 20
> entries prior to p. 127 and they're all short since court orders
> typically run only 1 or 2 sentences but that is time consuming and in
> general I have the time and you don't. So, whatever is easiest to you.
>
> Many thanks,>
> Maynard		11/24/2003 11:59:10
Re: Out of TownJudyScruggsMaynard, have fun and drive safe. Happy Thanksgiving.
Judy & Wayne




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> Folks, I'll be off the wire from 11/25 to 12/7 out of town for extended
> Thanksgiving visits. Wishing for you all a happy, joyous and SAFE
> Thanksgiving.
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
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>		11/24/2003 12:54:00
Father & BrothersJohn M. PoythressIt was earlier asked how we knew that the “family group” of Thomas-Meredith-George-Lewis-Thomas, Jr. were “proved.”



Well, I’m not 100% convinced that the entire thing IS proved….but we sure have “linkage” with the only two weak spots in my estimation being: 1) an assumption that there was only ONE Thomas in Brunswick County at the time and indeed he is the only one we have found and 2) assuming Lewis to be a brother of Meredith requires two conditional links instead of one.



1) Thomas was the father of Meredith…..numerous tax records, census, etc.



2) Thomas was the father of George….George as administrator of estate, numerous reported linkages.



3) George was the brother of Lewis…..George’s will.



4) ∆: George, Meredith, Lewis, and Thomas Jr. were brothers.



Additionally, although not in the “logic chain” proposition above, Meredith went bond for Lewis’ marriage as I recall. I suppose

the family group is not “technically” proven but I’d be inclined to make book on it. Would welcome comments pro or con.



Maynard		11/25/2003 6:31:47
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[Fwd: FW: The Hokey Pokey man died]>
> From: "Leigh P. Wilson"
> Date: 2003/12/02 Tue PM 08:34:27 EST
> To: "'John M. Poythress'"
> Subject: FW: The Hokey Pokey man died
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:18 AM
> To: 'leigh@vsi.ws'; 'jyates1127@aol.com'
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> Subject: The Hokey Pokey man died
>
>
> > With all the sadness and trauma going on in the world at the moment,
> it is
> > worth reflecting on the death of a very important person which almost
> went
> > unnoticed last week.
> >
> > Larry La Prise, the man who wrote "The Hokey Pokey," died peacefully
> at
> > age 93.
> >
> > The most traumatic part for his family was getting him into the
> coffin.
> > They put his left leg in.
> > And then the trouble started.
> >
> >
>
>
>		12/03/2003 4:04:04
Locations of Sources...multiple advantagesJohn M. PoythressBelow is from the Eastman Online Genealogical letter. Now that Eastman
has a "premium" edition which requires a subscription fee, they seldom
offer anything worthwhile on their "regular" service that isn't in some
way condensed and offered as "bait" to switch to the premium service.
However, this one is an exception:

- Recording Longitudes and Latitudes

Genealogists have always been taught to record our sources of
information. We not only record the name of the book or other source of
genealogy information, but we also record the location of the building
(repository) where we found it. Typically we record the building's name,
street address, city and state.

With today's technology, shouldn't we also be recording the geographic
coordinates? Both GPS receivers and the plethora of high-quality on-line
maps now make it easy to find the exact latitude and longitude of any
address. Unlike street names, the longitude and latitude will never
change.

Shouldn't we be recording the exact latitude and longitudes of
cemeteries into our genealogy databases? How about the location of
great-great-grandfather's farm? I believe the latitude and longitude of
that farm would be a valuable entry in your database so that future
genealogists who read your data can find that farm's location, even if
it has since become covered with weeds or perhaps a high-rise apartment
building. In short, I think we should record the geographic coordinates
of every location in our genealogy databases.

You can enter the latitude and longitude of any location as a text note
into most any modern genealogy program. However, several genealogy
programs have specific database fields for these coordinates.

If you own a GPS receiver, the next time you visit an ancestral site of
any sort, you should record its geographic coordinates into your
database. You can also find similar information by consulting
topographic maps.



My thoughts:

I'm not sure I'd charge out and buy a GPS receiver just for this
purpose. I'm not certain that "coordinates" are all that important for
most archival sources. After all, the Mormon library in Salt Lake City
or the Library of Congress will likely never suffer from the lack of
"coordinates." But g-grandfather's farm or private cemetery is another
matter.

In many instances the coordinates for a location can be helpful...

if you're inventorying a private cemetery and the property owner asks
you to not disclose the location, that's a real conflict. However, my
experience says that if you simply provide the coordinates in a coded
way; i. e., say "32-47-27/81-35-45" then likely 999 out of 1000
genealogists won't have a clue..and therefore won't go bothering the
property owner (or even ask you what the numbers mean). Perhaps a
hundred years from now it's likely someone will figure it out and your
research will not have gone to waste..or at least the location will be
findable.

and you DON'T have to invest in a GPS receiver. Simply buy a U. S.
Geological Survey 7 minute quadrangle and plot the coordinates yourself
with a ruler. Or, even easier, I'm sure there is a site on the web
that will provide coordinates (although I haven't found it).

On the whole, coordinates in the right circumstances can be a
significant addition to your research. Or at least I feel very good
about the instances in which I have provided coordinates as an adjunct
to a "paper".I know for certain the location will never be "lost."

Maynard		12/15/2003 1:55:30
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http://www.eogn.com/archives/news0317.htm		12/15/2003 2:13:35
The Augusta (GA) ChronicleJohn M. PoythressThis newspaper, founded in 1786, covered news of Augusta/Richmond County
and adjoining counties Columbia, Burke, Screven,

etc. Originally named The Augusta Chronicle and Gazette of the State,
the name was changed in 1806 to The Augusta Chronicle.



Complete copies of all issues 1788-1827 are available. A few years ago
I extracted and transcribed all the Poythress entries and these are on
the webpage. At the time these were transcriptions from the Augusta
public library's microfilm.



It is now announced by the Georgia Genealogical Quarterly that these
identical records are now digitalized and on-line at

>Augustaarchives.com<. There is charge for accessing the records, $5
for a "day-pass" and more reasonable rates for longer periods of time.



I'm recalling that several on our wire have looked for Georgians in and
around the NE Georgia area of Augusta who were NOT surnamed Poythress
and would thus not be in my list. So, if you wish to search this source
for other surnames the ability to do so on-line is now available at the
address above. I recall that the every-name index to these papers was
quite good and I'd speculate that a "day-pass" is likely to turn up
either all you need or even better an indication that they have
extensive material on your interest.



Maynard		12/19/2003 7:59:12
Re: The Augusta (GA) ChronicleJudy A ScruggsThanks Maynard for the info.
Judy
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:59 AM
Subject: The Augusta (GA) Chronicle


> This newspaper, founded in 1786, covered news of Augusta/Richmond County
> and adjoining counties Columbia, Burke, Screven,
>
> etc. Originally named The Augusta Chronicle and Gazette of the State,
> the name was changed in 1806 to The Augusta Chronicle.
>
>
>
> Complete copies of all issues 1788-1827 are available. A few years ago
> I extracted and transcribed all the Poythress entries and these are on
> the webpage. At the time these were transcriptions from the Augusta
> public library's microfilm.
>
>
>
> It is now announced by the Georgia Genealogical Quarterly that these
> identical records are now digitalized and on-line at
>
> >Augustaarchives.com<. There is charge for accessing the records, $5
> for a "day-pass" and more reasonable rates for longer periods of time.
>
>
>
> I'm recalling that several on our wire have looked for Georgians in and
> around the NE Georgia area of Augusta who were NOT surnamed Poythress
> and would thus not be in my list. So, if you wish to search this source
> for other surnames the ability to do so on-line is now available at the
> address above. I recall that the every-name index to these papers was
> quite good and I'd speculate that a "day-pass" is likely to turn up
> either all you need or even better an indication that they have
> extensive material on your interest.
>
>
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
>
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>		12/19/2003 8:44:39
Re: Locations of Sources...multiple advantageskoswcartistOh ho Maynard...there is a web site in California at least.=San Diego county
tax recorder has a site where you can go...you enter the street address and
you get a satelite map...also to get the co-ordinates of any known address
go to 'www.switchboard.com'. enter the map section. When you zoom in close
enough with your house address as a target toward the center of maps...at
the bottom is the gps cordinates...check it out. tis useful for getting from
point a to b at least.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John M. Poythress"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:55 PM
Subject: Locations of Sources...multiple advantages


> Below is from the Eastman Online Genealogical letter. Now that Eastman
> has a "premium" edition which requires a subscription fee, they seldom
> offer anything worthwhile on their "regular" service that isn't in some
> way condensed and offered as "bait" to switch to the premium service.
> However, this one is an exception:
>
> - Recording Longitudes and Latitudes
>
> Genealogists have always been taught to record our sources of
> information. We not only record the name of the book or other source of
> genealogy information, but we also record the location of the building
> (repository) where we found it. Typically we record the building's name,
> street address, city and state.
>
> With today's technology, shouldn't we also be recording the geographic
> coordinates? Both GPS receivers and the plethora of high-quality on-line
> maps now make it easy to find the exact latitude and longitude of any
> address. Unlike street names, the longitude and latitude will never
> change.
>
> Shouldn't we be recording the exact latitude and longitudes of
> cemeteries into our genealogy databases? How about the location of
> great-great-grandfather's farm? I believe the latitude and longitude of
> that farm would be a valuable entry in your database so that future
> genealogists who read your data can find that farm's location, even if
> it has since become covered with weeds or perhaps a high-rise apartment
> building. In short, I think we should record the geographic coordinates
> of every location in our genealogy databases.
>
> You can enter the latitude and longitude of any location as a text note
> into most any modern genealogy program. However, several genealogy
> programs have specific database fields for these coordinates.
>
> If you own a GPS receiver, the next time you visit an ancestral site of
> any sort, you should record its geographic coordinates into your
> database. You can also find similar information by consulting
> topographic maps.
>
>
>
> My thoughts:
>
> I'm not sure I'd charge out and buy a GPS receiver just for this
> purpose. I'm not certain that "coordinates" are all that important for
> most archival sources. After all, the Mormon library in Salt Lake City
> or the Library of Congress will likely never suffer from the lack of
> "coordinates." But g-grandfather's farm or private cemetery is another
> matter.
>
> In many instances the coordinates for a location can be helpful...
>
> if you're inventorying a private cemetery and the property owner asks
> you to not disclose the location, that's a real conflict. However, my
> experience says that if you simply provide the coordinates in a coded
> way; i. e., say "32-47-27/81-35-45" then likely 999 out of 1000
> genealogists won't have a clue..and therefore won't go bothering the
> property owner (or even ask you what the numbers mean). Perhaps a
> hundred years from now it's likely someone will figure it out and your
> research will not have gone to waste..or at least the location will be
> findable.
>
> and you DON'T have to invest in a GPS receiver. Simply buy a U. S.
> Geological Survey 7 minute quadrangle and plot the coordinates yourself
> with a ruler. Or, even easier, I'm sure there is a site on the web
> that will provide coordinates (although I haven't found it).
>
> On the whole, coordinates in the right circumstances can be a
> significant addition to your research. Or at least I feel very good
> about the instances in which I have provided coordinates as an adjunct
> to a "paper".I know for certain the location will never be "lost."
>
> Maynard
>
>
>
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Re: The Augusta (GA) ChronicleBarbara P. NealThanks, Maynard, for this news & thanks again for all your earlier work on
transcribing the Poythress entries.

I'll be offline for the holidays, until the first of the year. Christmas
blessings to all -

BPN




12/19/2003 10:33:51
Archived BooksJohn M. PoythressI found the following site interesting. There doesn't appear to be much
to attract us now but as the article states, the "service" is migrating
from England to the U. S. Article below was on the Eastman Gene.
Wire.



- Archive CD Books USA

The Archive CD Books Project is a great project that scans old,
out-of-print books, directories, etc. and then distributes them on
CD-ROM. This is a non-profit project; any funds received are either
plowed back into the project to buy more books or are donated to the
archives that provided the books for input to the scanning process. The
project has been operated by Rod Neep in England. I have written about
it several times. See my past articles at
http://www.eogn.com/archives/news0041.htm,
http://www.eogn.com/archives/news0126.htm and at
http://www.eogn.com/archives/news0234.htm.

This interesting project is now expanding to the USA. The following is
an announcement from the Archive CD Books project:

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The International Archive CD Books Project (a not for profit
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Mary ___? and Mary___?John M. PoythressSubject: Children of Francis Poythress, the immigrant



John,



I saw some of your notes on the internet about the family of Francis
Poythress, the immigrant; and thought I would share a note with you.



There has been some speculation about whether Francis Poythress' wife
was an Epes descendant, because of Epes family entanglement in her
estate. Someone posted a note on the Poythress Rootsweb site stating
that a Francis and William Epes were involved in a lawsuit regarding the
inheritance of Mary, who first married Francis Poythress and secondly
married Robert Wynne. I have not looked at the original records, but I
wonder if Mary's connection to the Epes family was through a descendant
rather than through her ancestry.



Shawn, I appreciate your forebearance in my taking so long to even
acknowledge your question. It is indeed a tough one.



I recall the post to which you refer, the one with Francis and William
Epes regarding the inheritance of Mary _______ m. 1.

Francis Poythress, m. 2 Robert Wynne. I can't seem to locate that
reference but I do recall asking myself what in the world two Epes
brothers would be doing with their fingers in this pie. I believe at
the time I only speculated that they might have been executors as
friends of Robert Wynne. To my mind this only strengthened the notion
that Mary___ was likely a Sloman (one of several surname guesses for
Mary prevalent on the web) for "on 8 June 1663 Capt. Robert Wynne was
granted a certificate for 600 acres "establishing" the importation of
John Sloman ("establishing" in this instance suggesting -to me at any
rate- that the actual importation might have taken place at some earlier
point and Wynne "won" his case and the land on 8 June 1663).



The above is a footnote is from Dorman's 1992 "Ancestors and Descendants
of Francis Epes I of Virginia." The footnote itself cites "Robert
Hovenden, ed., The Visitation of Kent, Taken in the Years 1619-1621"
(Harleian Society, Publications, XLII; London, 1898 p. 157). That
appears to me to be getting somewhat afield but Dorman goes on in his
own footnote to the effect that " this John Sloman may be the husband of
Katherine (Epes) Maplesden Sloman, although since a Katherine Sloman
married Samuel Tilden on 14 Nov 1639 at Ashford Church [a shaky IGI
citation here], Katherine's husband may have died before 1639 and the
John mentioned in Virginia Records in the 1650's may instead be a son.
The relationship, if any, has not been confirmed." So, there may be an
Epes connection after all, albeit not with a "Mr." Epes. I'm not sure
what to make of this or how to carry the query any further.



Since I found no linkage between Epes and Poythress prior to a marriage
in the 3rd Poythess generation, I think it just didn't occur to me to
suspect that Mary (1) herself might have been an Epes..and in fact, I
still am inclined to doubt it. My notion in this instance is that if
she had indeed been an Epes it would have been documented, the Epes
people being remarkably chronicled. And I looked the other way, I
suppose, having been snared mentally by "the Sloman connection" for
which I have found very little other evidence.



According to Meyer and Dorman, "Richard Eppes (Cocke) (1824-1896) said
that the wife of Maj. John Epes was a Miss Poythress. She is possibly
the Mrs. Mary Epes mentioned in the estate accounts of her son John
Epes, 2 Nov. 1726." [Virginia M. Meyer and John Frederick Dorman,
editors, "Adventurers of Purse and Person, Virginia: 1607-1624/5,"
(Published by Order of First Families of Virginia, 1987, third edition),
p. 261]



I don't have the "Purse & Person" to which you refer but if Dorman is
quoting Richard Eppes Cocke (1824-1896) dealing with 1626 then wouldn't
Richard Eppes be largely dealing with some history instead of a
contemporary "happening?" I have Lucy Bland Poythress (RBB281 4) m.
John Eppes but that is likely about 1785, far later than the time frame
at issue and at the same time far earlier than Richard Cocke himself. I
would have to answer this one that I just don't know because it strikes
me that 1626 is a time frame for Francis Epes (1), not his later
descendants.





According to my estimates, this Maj. John Epes was born about 1647 and
married Mary (Poythress?) about 1668. From Maj. John Epes' will and
deeds between Mary and her sons, we know that they had sons: Thomas (b.
c. 1669), John (b. c. 1671), Edward (b. c. 1673), Nathaniel (b. c.
1675), William (b. c. 1677), and Francis (b. c. 1679). Meyer and Dorman
mistakenly make Edward a son of Col. John Epes, father of Maj. John
Epes-but this chronology is impossible and a deed places Edward in the
later generation.



This would add another daughter to the family of Francis Poythress and
Mary ____; and this daughter would have been named for her mother. I
estimate that the wife of Maj. John Epes was born about 1649. This
would make this daughter one of the last children of Francis and Mary
____.



Shawn, I'm getting confused with my generations here so I'll simply
state what I THINK Dorman is now saying. Dorman has this "John (3), m.
1121 Mary (4) Epes." And later (p. 128): "He married his cousin 1121
Mary Epes, the heiress of the City Point land originally patented by
Francis (1) Epes in 1635." Dorman footnotes (p. 128): "This
identification appears to be the only conclusion which can be drawn from
Mrs. Mary Epes' sale of four portions of the City Point patent in 1722."




The footnote goes on to say at some length that under only two
circumstances would Mary have had the authority to sell this land: 1)
it was devised to her by her husband John and Dorman finds it "difficult
to believe that 112 John (3) would have devised this land outright to
his wife and made no provision for passage to his sons since, should she
have married again, under the laws then in effect it would have come
under control of her second husband." Dorman opts for 2) The "only
reasonable conclusion appears to be that she was herself owner of the
land by inheritance as the only daughter and heir at law of 112 John (3)
Epes (as I make it, Dorman is saying Mary inherits her title as "heir"
to her husband instead of "wife" to her husband..a matter which seems
logical but I don't recall having run across a similar instance).



The explanation goes on to the effect of: "such a conclusion, which
provides an additional generation, appears the more reasonable in
accounting for the long period between the birth of 112 John (3) Epes ca
1648 and the births of Mrs. Mary Epes' grandchildren in the late 1720's
and 1730's and in addition eliminates the problem of accounting for
decendants of 132 John (3) Epes, of whom no clear record exists if his
children are not identical with Mrs. Mary Epes' children. (Not sure I
follow that one).



The footnote goes through several additional somersaults but I must say
sounds circumstantially convincing to me in lieu of any other
evidence...and would likely take a new daughter of Francis and Mary
Poythress out of consideration..at least according to Mr. Dorman. I
will say candidly however, Shawn, that before now I have never given the
matter a nickel's worth of thought nor have I even been looking for such
a connection so there may be other evidence supporting your interesting
theory.



Further as only an aside, Dorman in 1992 has (one supposes) corrected
the error of assigning Edward Epes as son of Col. John (2) Epes by
simply dropping him out of the batting order..or at any rate I can't
seem to find where Dorman put him.



I would be interested in your thoughts.



There they are for whatever they are worth and I'm also punting this
answer to the Poythress net on the hope that someone else may address
your interesting question better than I. I'd also be interested in
your comments.



Shawn Potter



Regards,



Maynard









I don't have the "Purse & Person" to which you refer but if Dorman is
quoting Richard Eppes Cocke (1824-1896) dealing with 1626 then wouldn't
Richard Eppes be largely dealing with some history instead of a
contemporary "happening?" I have Lucy Bland Poythress (RBB281 4) m.
John Eppes but that is likely about 1785, far later than the time frame
at issue and at the same time far earlier than Richard Cocke himself. I
would have to answer this one that I just don't know.		12/28/2003 4:34:00
Poythress and Wall Family pagesLou Poole, are you still out there?

Once again, my dad and I are almost ready to publish our Wall family CD (after all these years and restarts). And once again I am having trouble getting your Poythress and Wall web pages, which we want to include in the CD, downloaded with pictures and maps properly imbedded. I notice that the version on the poythress.net site also doesn't seem to have any pictures in it, although it seems that it used to.

So can I ask you to again send me a PDF (preferred) or HTML version complete with pictures?

Thanks so much for all your help. Be assured that when this thing does get done you will be the first to get one!

Hoping you are having a great Christmas and New Years,


Steve Wall





12/28/2003 9:49:34
Francis Wayles Eppes - Leon Co., FLJames Smith"Francis Wayles Eppes came to Tallahassee in 1828. He served three
times as mayor before moving to Orange County [Florida] in 1869." p.
54, Favored Land - Tallahassee, A History of Tallahassee and Leon
County, by Mary Louise Ellis and William Warren Rogers, 1988.

"Francis Eppes was Tallahassee's most notable - and its most cultured -
local politician before the Civil War. As the grandson of Thomas
Jefferson, Eppes benefited from his distinguished kinsman's personal
direction of his education. Eppes knew French, Spanish, and German as
well as English, and read the Scriptures in the original Latin and
Greek. Eppes and his family came to Leon County from Virginia in 1828.
He engaged in planting and built an excellent reputation as intendant
of his adopted Tallahassee." p. 52, Favored Land - Tallahassee, A
History of Tallahassee and Leon County, by Mary Louise Ellis and William
Warren Rogers, 1988.

Does anyone know if this Francis Wayles Eppes is one of the many
descendants in our Poythress clan? I realize the spelling I've been
seeing in our web site is Epes rather than Eppes. Our James P.
Poythress showed up in land records in Gadsden Co., FL in early 1827,
while it's noted that Francis Wayles Eppes appeared in Leon Co., FL in
1828, the adjoining county.		12/29/2003 3:49:06
RE: Francis Wayles Eppes - Leon Co., FLRandy JonesFrancis Wayles Eppes (1801-1881) was the grandson of
Thomas Jefferson, and lived for a long time at "Poplar
Forest" in Bedford Co., VA, which house was considered
TJ's second home. He inherited "Poplar Forest" from TJ
in 1826, but sold it in 1828 and moved his family to
the Florida panhandle, in search of more land, and
better suited to farming than the Bedford hill
country. He may also have been in financial trouble
in VA.

Unfortunately, fever there, possibly typhoid, killed
him, his wife and all of his children.

Francis Wales Eppes is not a Poythress descendent, as
best as I can determine. His Epes line is:

Francis Wayles --> John Wayles (1173-1823) --> Francis
(1747-1808) --> Richard (1724-65) --> (Francis (1683-)
--> Francis (c.1657-) -- Francis (1627-78) -- Francis
(1597-1674)

-- Randy Jones

--- "John M. Poythress" wrote:
> Linda....with that Eppes "provenance" I'd make book
> that the guy came
> from the VA Epeses.
>
> Suggestions:
>
> 1)I'm almost positive that in the genealogy biz, the
> Epes folks
> generally "umbrella" all of the obvious variants:
> Eppes, Epps, Eps,
> Epes, etc. So, it's not likely you'll go astray
> with the "wrong"
> spelling. I think in their case the variants are
> usually much more
> obvious than they are with, say, Poythress. After
> all, with Epes, they
> are at least all pronounced the same.
>
> 2)there is a Yahoo discussion group that I'm told is
> quite active:
> > Eppesgenealogy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com <
> ....that's likely a good
> place to start.
>
> 3)as prevalent and prominent as that name is, I'm
> sure there is likely
> also a home page for Epeses but I haven't looked.
> Maybe you can google
> it up.
>
> 4)about a year ago I bought the book "Ancestors and
> Descendants of
> Francis Epes" by John Dorman. Dorman is a heavy
> hitter in the genealogy
> book biz and his books I'm told are highly regarded.
> I use the thing
> constantly. Unfortunately for you it only goes to
> the fifth generation
> and it is still in the 1700's. Mr. Dorman has
> written a second book.
> Whether it is merely an enlargement of the stuff in
> the first book or
> whether he carries the research forward into
> subsequent generations I
> don't know. Having thought that I had no interest
> in the Epes crowd
> after colonial VA I just didn't pursue it.
>
> I bought my copy of Vol. I (privately printed) from
> Mrs. Herbert R.
> Holden,
> 430 Greenwood Drive, Petersburg, VA 23805. As I
> recall it was about $30
> which I considered very reasonable, it's hardbound
> and well put
> together, an altogether quality "text." While you
> might not want to
> plunk down the money for a volume II not knowing
> what it covers, you may
> want to write Mrs. Holden and just ask her if the
> thing goes to later
> generations or merely "enlarges" Vol. I. If you
> find out, please let me
> know as I'll want to buy
> Vol. II if it "enlarges" Vol. I. If Craig Scott is
> still lurking the
> list, he may help you here, he's likely got the
> books in inventory.
>
> 5. it seems like every time I turn around I find a
> new Virginian or an
> ex-Virginian setting up shop in one of those
> panhandle counties in the
> 1820's or so. Aside from the fact that it's a great
> environment to live
> in in the first instance, I haven't been able to put
> my finger on it's
> specific "allure" unless they were giving those land
> grants to
> "adventurers" who came to fight in the Seminole Wars
> (no matter where
> they came from in the first place). I have a hunch
> James P. Poythress
> got there this way. At any rate, we know he
> patented land...I guess we
> don't know if the land was just "free" to settlers
> or some kind of
> bounty grant.
>
> Good luck, it's likely BPN has some stuff on this
> question but she told
> me she is off the air until after the first. She'll
> pick up the
> question then.
>
> Maynard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Smith [mailto:dogtown@tds.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 10:49 PM
> To: brerfox@bellsouth.net; POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Francis Wayles Eppes - Leon Co., FL
>
> "Francis Wayles Eppes came to Tallahassee in 1828.
> He served three
> times as mayor before moving to Orange County
> [Florida] in 1869." p.
> 54, Favored Land - Tallahassee, A History of
> Tallahassee and Leon
> County, by Mary Louise Ellis and William Warren
> Rogers, 1988.
>
> "Francis Eppes was Tallahassee's most notable - and
> its most cultured -
> local politician before the Civil War. As the
> grandson of Thomas
> Jefferson, Eppes benefited from his distinguished
> kinsman's personal
> direction of his education. Eppes knew French,
> Spanish, and German as
> well as English, and read the Scriptures in the
> original Latin and
> Greek. Eppes and his family came to Leon County
> from Virginia in 1828.
> He engaged in planting and built an excellent
> reputation as intendant
> of his adopted Tallahassee." p. 52, Favored Land -
> Tallahassee, A
> History of Tallahassee and Leon County, by Mary
> Louise Ellis and William
>
> Warren Rogers, 1988.
>
> Does anyone know if this Francis Wayles Eppes is one
> of the many
> descendants in our Poythress clan? I realize the
> spelling I've been
> seeing in our web site is Epes rather than Eppes.
> Our James P.
> Poythress showed up in land records in Gadsden Co.,
> FL in early 1827,
> while it's noted that Francis Wayles Eppes appeared
> in Leon Co., FL in
> 1828, the adjoining county.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: Francis Wayles Eppes - Leon Co., FLJohn M. PoythressLinda....with that Eppes "provenance" I'd make book that the guy came
from the VA Epeses.

Suggestions:

1)I'm almost positive that in the genealogy biz, the Epes folks
generally "umbrella" all of the obvious variants: Eppes, Epps, Eps,
Epes, etc. So, it's not likely you'll go astray with the "wrong"
spelling. I think in their case the variants are usually much more
obvious than they are with, say, Poythress. After all, with Epes, they
are at least all pronounced the same.

2)there is a Yahoo discussion group that I'm told is quite active:
> Eppesgenealogy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com < ....that's likely a good
place to start.

3)as prevalent and prominent as that name is, I'm sure there is likely
also a home page for Epeses but I haven't looked. Maybe you can google
it up.

4)about a year ago I bought the book "Ancestors and Descendants of
Francis Epes" by John Dorman. Dorman is a heavy hitter in the genealogy
book biz and his books I'm told are highly regarded. I use the thing
constantly. Unfortunately for you it only goes to the fifth generation
and it is still in the 1700's. Mr. Dorman has written a second book.
Whether it is merely an enlargement of the stuff in the first book or
whether he carries the research forward into subsequent generations I
don't know. Having thought that I had no interest in the Epes crowd
after colonial VA I just didn't pursue it.

I bought my copy of Vol. I (privately printed) from Mrs. Herbert R.
Holden,
430 Greenwood Drive, Petersburg, VA 23805. As I recall it was about $30
which I considered very reasonable, it's hardbound and well put
together, an altogether quality "text." While you might not want to
plunk down the money for a volume II not knowing what it covers, you may
want to write Mrs. Holden and just ask her if the thing goes to later
generations or merely "enlarges" Vol. I. If you find out, please let me
know as I'll want to buy
Vol. II if it "enlarges" Vol. I. If Craig Scott is still lurking the
list, he may help you here, he's likely got the books in inventory.

5. it seems like every time I turn around I find a new Virginian or an
ex-Virginian setting up shop in one of those panhandle counties in the
1820's or so. Aside from the fact that it's a great environment to live
in in the first instance, I haven't been able to put my finger on it's
specific "allure" unless they were giving those land grants to
"adventurers" who came to fight in the Seminole Wars (no matter where
they came from in the first place). I have a hunch James P. Poythress
got there this way. At any rate, we know he patented land...I guess we
don't know if the land was just "free" to settlers or some kind of
bounty grant.

Good luck, it's likely BPN has some stuff on this question but she told
me she is off the air until after the first. She'll pick up the
question then.

Maynard

-----Original Message-----
From: James Smith [mailto:dogtown@tds.net]
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 10:49 PM
To: brerfox@bellsouth.net; POYTHRESS-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Francis Wayles Eppes - Leon Co., FL

"Francis Wayles Eppes came to Tallahassee in 1828. He served three
times as mayor before moving to Orange County [Florida] in 1869." p.
54, Favored Land - Tallahassee, A History of Tallahassee and Leon
County, by Mary Louise Ellis and William Warren Rogers, 1988.

"Francis Eppes was Tallahassee's most notable - and its most cultured -
local politician before the Civil War. As the grandson of Thomas
Jefferson, Eppes benefited from his distinguished kinsman's personal
direction of his education. Eppes knew French, Spanish, and German as
well as English, and read the Scriptures in the original Latin and
Greek. Eppes and his family came to Leon County from Virginia in 1828.
He engaged in planting and built an excellent reputation as intendant
of his adopted Tallahassee." p. 52, Favored Land - Tallahassee, A
History of Tallahassee and Leon County, by Mary Louise Ellis and William

Warren Rogers, 1988.

Does anyone know if this Francis Wayles Eppes is one of the many
descendants in our Poythress clan? I realize the spelling I've been
seeing in our web site is Epes rather than Eppes. Our James P.
Poythress showed up in land records in Gadsden Co., FL in early 1827,
while it's noted that Francis Wayles Eppes appeared in Leon Co., FL in
1828, the adjoining county.		12/30/2003 4:05:30