Messages Posted to Poythress Mailing List: 1997 (n = 1,258)
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| The Mother Lode? | To all: Al Tims found two likely suspects in UK. First was a lady who was researching Poyntz'es. My query was do you think there is any chance the two names could be variants of each other? She talked to my answering machine asking about our Francis' dates and saying say, I have a Francis Poythress down in Gloucester and N______. Send me your guess as to his dates and I'll write you back. That was kind of neat for a long shot so I immediately wrote her back and expect to hear from her in a week or so. Second, was a lady advertised as researching "Poytress". I wrote to her and the transcription of her answer is below followed by my observations/questions, etc.: (copy) Pat and Maurice Crewe 36 Trevelyan 01344 428438 Bracknell Berkshire RG12 8YD 4-May-97 Dear Maynard, Many thanks for your letter of the 24th April concerning the Poythress family and for the section from Boddie�s Historical Southern Families. I hadn�t known that one founded a dynasty in the U. S. A. and I was delighted to learn that there was a research group in existence. I am not on the internet yet but hope to join it in the next few months. I am enclosing a tree of my Poytress family in Gloucestershire - for convenience I have mostly spelt the surname as above, but it appears in infinite varieties. These are the names I am sure about, however, I do know a bit more. You will see at the head of the tree Christopher Poythress and I have put for his baptism 1684/1686. This is because there were 2 children called Christopher - one Christopher was baptized 28 May 1684 in Newent to Christopher Poythress and Katherine Ashley and the other was baptised 19 July 1686 in Newent to John Poythress and Joyce Pitt. Neither appears to have died as a child and both fathers were butchers. So I have been unable to find which one married Alice Hopkins. I presume that the fathers were brothers. etc. etc. To come to the Francis Poythress who came to America. Could he possibly be the Francis baptised 12 Jul 1609 in Newent to John Poythress? I notice that your Francis called his second son John, which could indicate that it was his father�s name. I expect you have already looked into this but thought I would mention it. A John Poydresse, who I think was Francis� father, owned a house called Ploddy House in Taynton and died there 1648-49. I have a copy of a paper dated 11 Apr 1649 Manor of Newent concerning the surrender of 2 copyhold properties (one being Ploddy House) late in the tenure of John Poydresse, deceased. The admission of the property as given to Joan Singleton, widow, and her son Francis and daughter Joan. I have always thought that Joan could be John Poydresse�s daughter, but there is no mention of his son Francis - could this be because he had gone to America? We were lucky enough to be shown around the Ploddy House by the present owners, who also told us it had been known as Bloody House and that a murder had been committed there at one time - most likely after it was owned by John Poydresse. There was also a neighbouring farmhouse called �Poydresse�. The farmer�s wife had not known that the name of her house was from an old family and let us take a couple of photographs of it. The farmer, who might have known more, was unfortunately away from home. I have quite a bit of information concerning the later Poytresses on my family tree especially about a court case after the death of Thomas in 1803 when his wife was accused of putting too low a value on her husband�s estate. By the way she was found guilty. She had to auction her husband�s effects and I have the sale catalogue which goes into detail, even naming the horses. I know 2 other people who are researching the Poytress family. The first is Mrs. C. Lewis, 25 Ashleigh Court, Henllys, Cwmbran, Gwent, NP44 6HF and the second is Margaret Fletcher, Fieldfare, West End, Northleach, Cheltenham, Glos. GL54 3HF. There are probably many more as you will see from the tree that they produced many children, but these are the only two who have contacted me about the family. Hope the above is not too muddled and that you find it interesting. I look forward to hearing from you again. Best wishes, Pat Crewe /s/ MP observations: 1) how lovely to see those Oxfordian spellings instead of those of New England's Webster, that devil incarnate. 2) I will manage to get Pat's 5 generations on paper for us. The good news is it is a ton of Poythresses. The bad news is that the "line" begins 1683 so we have no interest except in the sense of wanting to do a one-name-study....because all those guys and gals had nothing to do with starting our line, they were only later parts of the line just like we are. Even so, its uncanny how the names and faces are the same: wall to wall Annes, Johns, Thomases, etc. 3) When I saw "Newell" in print I recognized it as something I couldn't understand in the phone call from the Poyntz lady to my answering machine. Folks, I think this Newell (10 miles NW of Gloucester) is very likely to be our ORIGIN....at least until/unless we can work back even further. 4. I will question Pat about her emphasis on "baptised"....that, heretofore unsuspected by me, appears to be a key date to UK people as opposed to birth dates which we key on. My guess is the culture of the times was to baptise an infant almost at the moment of birth because the infant mortality rate was incredibly high and, baptism being the price of a ticket to heaven, they baptised a child before the child had a chance to die which for them was anytime in the next few hours. I suspect that to be the case and if so their baptism dates will be almost the equivalent to our birth dates. Anyway, I'll ask. 5. If "baptised" is the practical equivalent of "born"....then Francis baptised 12 Jul 1609 is pushing it to be a likely candidate for our Francis....unless he could have been a "factor" at age 24. I guess I don't have a very good understanding of the ages of those folks in terms of the levels at which they functioned at relatively young ages. I realize it was younger than today but I don't know how much younger. 6. If the Francis in question is known as Francis Poythress, I am certainly willing to let his father get away with spelling it Poydresse if the link can otherwise be reasonably made. Interesting that Pat Crewe also says the spelling variations were "infinite". Down in back, all you Portis fans cheering and clapping. Order in the house. 7. I will most certainly answer Pat Crewe immediately with the suggestion that we hold off on extended correspondance until she gets on the net. With 7 days delivery on the mail that shouldn't be more than a few "rotations" anyway. I will also direct mail queries to the two other researchers Pat mentions. 8. I am swamped with work but will get around to answering Pat Crewe in a day or so. If a brainwave strikes any of you with a question I may have missed fire it to me and I'll include it. Nite all. Maynard ------------------------------ | 05/13/1997 4:09:15 | |
| From: "The Complete Book of Emigrants 1607-1660", by Peter Wilson Coldham, Gene. Pub. Co. Baltimore, 1988. Citation is from Bristol Record Office City of Bristol, manuscript volumes entitled "servants to foreign plantations". 23 July 1659: John Knight of Malborough, Devon, yeoman, bound to Henry Quinton of Bridgwater, mariner, to serve 7 years in Barbados. The following bound to Edward Wasbrow to serve 4 years in Virginia, etc................. Ann Fuller of Sanford (sic) bound to Thomas Poytres, merchant, to serve 5 years in Virginia. The following, etc......." [the "(sic)" is that of the transcriber Mr. Coldham]. Does this sound like: 1) Francis(1)'s son Thomas (aged 24 if we assign him an arbitrary birth date of 1635) NOW back in Virginia as a merchant has contracted for an "assigned"; i. e. Ann Fuller ? 2) Francis(1)'s son Thomas (aged 24, etc....) BRINGING Ann Fuller back to Virginia? (doubtful as there is no other implied "binder" traveling with one or more "bounds"). I think it can be assumed that the Thomas in question was IN Virginia. 3) Thomas Poythres (NOT a son of Francis)....as in "26 March 1639. Govenor Harvey has set up a commission consisting of John Chew, Thomas Stegg, Thomas Burbage and George Ludlowe, merchants, to examine the complaint of Laurence Evans, merchant, against abuses committed by his factor Thomas Poythress, a planter of Virginia." (Calendar of State Papers, American Colonial Series, 1660 edition, by W. Noel Sainsbury, Publishers Longman & Green, 1860) The Thomas of "3)" above continues to perplex. If Francis "appears" in Virginia 1633 it would seem likely that he didn't marry Jane ____ until he arrived. A son Thomas would hardly be in position to be a "merchant" at age 5 (assuming Francis married Jane on day #1 and had a son Thomas in the first year of the marriage. It also seems unlikely that if Laurence Evans brought suit against Francis in 1633, he would be entrusting the same office of factor to a brother (?) of Francis in 1639....and the alledged offense had to be committed even prior to the creation of the "commission" so the time factor becomes even more truncated.... with respect for the possibility that Thomas is a son of Francis. Anybody care to take a whack at putting "Thomas" or "these Thomases" on the right hook(s) ? Maynard ------------------------------ | 05/29/1997 3:31:03 | ||
| "Albert R. Tims" | Poythress List... Al, of course any possible connection will be interesting. However, this part of Virginia was a hotbed of early Methodism. Most of the known church affiliations of my ancestors are Methodist affiliations. In this area even today Methodist churches dot the countryside the way Presbyterian churches dot the Valley of Virginia and Baptist churches dot many other sections of the South. In this region it might be easier to find connections among non-Methodists than among Methodists. -Lyn --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: "Albert R. Tims" To: Subject: Re: Williamson Rainey Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 02:06:57 -0500 Message-ID: <199707230705.CAA17382@t-rex.minn.net> Poythress List, Lyn Baird wrote: "Williamson Rainey was a Revolutionary soldier and a Christian layman instrumental in establishing the Methodist sect in eastern Mecklenburg. His will was probated in Mecklenburg in 1847." Lyn, this is interesting in light of the following Poythress information: An Unusual Valentine -- An Anointed Vessel From: "History of the Methodist Episcopal Church," Vol. IV, Book V, Chapter XIX, by Abel Stevens "In 1798 Bird and Poythress lead, as presiding elders, the Holston corps, though there is yet but one district; and we meet again the tireless Valentine Cook at the head of the solitary district which comprises the more western field, with its six long circuits and seven itinerants." The list below, taken from "A History of the Methodist Episcopal Church," Volume IV, by Dr. Nathan Bangs, includes: "all the preachers who were received into full connection in the Methodist Episcopal Church to the year 1840, including those who came from Europe and returned, as well as those who remained in this country." While the Methodist Episcopal Church was not organized until 1784, some of the preachers on this list entered the Methodist ministry long before that. Especially is this true of those who came from England, one of whom was "received" in the year 1762. Thus, the range of years shown above is from the year 1762 to the year 1840. Poythress, Francis -- Received 1776, Located 1801 These two records show that Francis Poythress entered the MEC prior to its organization in 1784 and that he was a "presiding elder" by 1798. Chances are that we might well find more on the Francis Poythress in the various archives of the Methodist Church. Would be interesting to explore this potential source of a relationship between Rainey and Poythress. Best, Al Tims --------- End forwarded message ---------- | 07/24/1997 1:42:13 | |
| "Albert R. Tims" | Poythress List, Beatrice Poythress Baird, my mother, recently located and reviewed the 1760 John Poythress inventory referenced by Carol Morrison below. This is what she conveyed to me by phone: Brunswick WB3, p341 "...John Potess Estate Jr...." [which I interpret to mean "...estate of John Poythress, Jr...."] June 1760 witnesses Thomas Morris and Richard Blanks no slaves named no other persons named Not having any original research of my own to offer at this time, let me instead group some John Poythress citations for consideration (all references in Virginia): (1) 25 September 1673; patent of 900 acres in Isle of Wight to John PORTIS and Henry West (PB6, p.466) (2) 21 September 1674; patent of 376 acres in Isle of Wight to John PORTIS (PB6, p. 521) (3) 24 October 1701; patent of 350 acres in Charles City to John POYTHRIS (PB9, p. 396) (4) 23 October 1703; patent of 609 acres in Charles City to John POYTHRESS (PB9, p. 571) (5) 23 March 1715; patent of 100 acres in Isle of Wight to John POYTHRESS (PB10, p. 280) (6) 15 July 1717; patent of 267 acres in Surry to John POYTHRES (PB10, p. 327) (7) 20 October 1719; sale from Brett to Bracey of part of the 900 acres cited in (1), bounded by lands of John PORTIS, Jr. (Isle of Wight Great Book2, p. 329) [courtesy of Lea Dowd] (8) 5 September 1723; patent of 200 acres in Isle of Wight (later Brunswick, later Greensville) to John POYTHRES "of Prince George" (PB11, p. 258) (9) 13 October 1727; patent of 275 acres in Brunswick to Captain John POYTHRES (PB13, p. 205) (10) 17 March 1735/6; patent of 325 acres in Brunswick (later Greensville) to John POYTHRESS, Gentleman (PB17, p. 293) (11) 20 September 1745; patent of 841 acres in Prince George to John POYTHRESS, Jr. (PB22, p. 496) (12) 25 July 1746; patent of 25 acres in Isle of Wight County to John PORTIS (PB24, p. 336) (13) June 1760; Brunswick inventory of the estate of John POTRESS, Jr. (Brunswick WB3, p341) It should noted that the above citations include all eleven John Poythress patents in the land office card file at the Library of Virginia website. I am exploring the possibility that one identical John Poythress, Jr. is referenced in (7), (8), (10) and (13); and that said hypothetical person is son of the John Poythress of (1). (Note: This is not to suggest that others of the above citations do not reference this hypothetical father-son pair.) (Further note: The tracts cited in (8) and (10) are both south of Meherrin River in what was Brunswick County and is Greensville County today, and were discovered by Carol Morrison to have been subsequently owned by Thomas Poythress of Brunswick County.) Your review and commentary would be welcomed. I would be particularly grateful for contributions of other John Poythress citations from 17th and 18th century southside Virginia. Best regards, Lyn Poythress Baird --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: "Albert R. Tims" To: "Poythress Genealogy List" Subject: THOMAS POYTHRESS & JOHN POYTHRESS Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 23:23:08 -0500 Message-ID: <199707290421.XAA09549@t-rex.minn.net> Poythress List, This might be a historic note for all of us Thomas Poythress chasers :-). Below is a post from Carol Morrison (aka Sherlock Holmes) that will likely cause considerable excitement. A word of caution -- this isn't a guarantee of parentage :-). I will add full transcriptions for these documents to the Poythress Web immediately. Enjoy, Al Tims ----------------------------- Carol Wrote: Maynard's Time line shows a Thomas Poythress conveying 525 acres to John Dawson in 1773. This Deed is recorded in Deed Book 11, at page 239-241 and includes two tracts of land; i.e., one tract for 200 acres and another tract for 325 acres, located on the South side of Meherrin River and on the East side of Cane Branch. There is no privy examination of a wife at the time of recording, and have I not found a subsequent privy examination or release of dower for this conveyance -- as of yet. But I thought you all might be interested in *possibly* where Thomas Poythress got these two tracts of land, particularly since both tracts were owned previously by another Poythress. John POYTHRES of Price George County, for 20 Shillings, was granted 200 acres of New land, in Isle of Wight County, located on the S. side of Maherin River and on East side of the Cane Branch, on 5 Sept. 1723, Patent Book 11, page 258-259. Note: Cavaliers & Pioneers shows this as being on Cave Branch, but I've looked at the Patent and this appears to me to be 200 acres of the 525 acres which Thomas Poythress conveyed to John Dawson. I'll probably be able to work up a transcription of this particular patent sometime tomorrow. The 325 acres (balance of the 525 acres) was granted to John Poythress, Gentl., by Letters Patent, for consideration of 35 Shillings, on 17 March 1735/36. Virginia Patent Book 17, page 293-294. Furthermore, the Brunswick County records show an "Inventory &c" for a John Potess recorded in the year 1760. This is how its spelled in the Index. This Inventory (of which I haven't seen) is recorded in Will Book 3, beginning at page 341. --------- End forwarded message ---------- | 10/03/1997 1:23:58 | |
| "Applied" Families, Pointer, & Call For Papers | Albert R. Tims | Poythress List, 1. Okay, before you start laughing at me for my previous post reporting: I've added Lou Poole's Hardyman, Peebles, Epes and Wall chapters to our applied family pages at the Poythress web site. Enjoy -- great reading! I have no idea what an "applied" family might be :-). 2. When time permits, do take a look at Lea Dowd's "Soap Box" on her Bass web page. This is a wonderful statement and echoes the sentiments I know many of you share about our own efforts and approach. I'm really thrilled that Lea has joined our group!! http://www.gnat.net/~lea/soap.htm 3. Call For Papers -- We've started to build a solid list of will transcriptions, but we need more. I know you've got em -- so how about sending them to me for posting. Do remember to provide me with the source documentation. In fact, It would be wonderful to get any original document transcriptions you may have. Please :-)! 4. Maps -- I will (before the day is out) get a permanent link to the "neighborhood" maps on the web page. In fact, I'm working on adding several more. Eventually, we'll (hopefully) move up to doing actual deed mapping, but for now simply showing the general location (via creek and neighbor coordinates) should help us develop a better feel for things. I'm working on the Ft. Christanna area and some of the properties south of the Butterwood locations we already have mapped. If you suggestions for improving the approach -- do let me know. I'm already thinking about putting hyperlinks on the maps to the actual deed descriptions. May not be necessary -- but it would be fun to try. temporary link (3 map images): http://www1.minn.net/~atims/map1.html Enough for now. Again, Lea's "soap box" is well worth your attention. Best, Al Tims | 07/05/1997 12:43:46 |
| "Family Name History" | One of my kids came back from somewhere with one of those one-page print-outs sold at county fairs.....10 bucks to get your Family History! etc. etc. It may be generically computerized and generally a cornball deal but there are a couple of points worth posting just for the curiosity.....and there is the observation that those guys sometimes aren't 100% selling a scam, maybe only 90%. FAMILY NAME HISTORY: Poytress [notice that conventional Enlish spelling] "The family name Poytress is classified as being of occupational origin....with regard to the surname Poytress, this name appears to be a derivaitive of the regional French term "poitrau" which refers to the harness of a horse. Thus the name indicates that its original bearer was a harness-maker." "Variants of the surname Poytress include Poythress and Poytris...." "One of the earliest references to this name or to a variant is a record of one Aliciae Poythress, daughter of Henry Poythress and his wife Martha, who was baptised in Newent, Gloucestershire on March 21 1724. One Ann Poytris, daughter of Thomas Poytris and his wife Anna was christened in Tirley, on October 17.1773, while one Agnes Louisa, daughter of James Poytress and his wife Sarah, was christened in Hasfield, on August 6, 1868" Well, with respect to that occupational origin...we got French red beards, pewter-workers, and now harness makers. Only a matter of time until we get to book makers, bootleggers, etc. Maynard | 07/20/1997 2:50:13 | |
| "Joseph" Poythress | Al Tims Al....Joseph confused for Joshua? I say yes mainly because the purchase of Flowerdew by Joshua is recorded in about a million places....just as BPW said. I have read that paragraph enough now to know it by heart and I still don't know what the author means. It looks to me like he got so tangled up in his syntax that we are not likely to find out precisely what he did mean. If I had to guess it would be by process of elimination: if he said Joseph and meant Joshua, well, we know for a fact that Joshua didn't move to Mecklenburg and we haven't found a Joseph in Mecklenburg (at least not yet)....so that would imply to me that he meant Hardiman. And if we don't have a Hardiman in Mecklenburg either ( I don't know that) then I wouldn't have to be pressed too hard to believe the author meant Jones in BOTH sentences. His first sentence was just so long and twisted he forgot who the original "subject" was and doubled back on himself. My experience in tight calls like this one has been woeful trying to lean on technically correct grammar from folks who wrote a lot of those articles. I would also suggest article writers may or may not have a great respect for correct history and names when they are on their primary family; material on allied families almost always gets short shrift. And lets face it, for this guy Poythresses were just the backdrop. I have a similar suspected error in Virginia Gazette. On July 29, 1772 George Noble and Joshua Poythress, administrators, are advertising Wilkins Ferry on the James R. to let. Later, in an auction for a lease to be held on November 28, 1778, a practically identical advertisement is run by George Noble and Joseph Poythress. Six years is enough of a "window" for a Joseph to come on the scene....but it seems highly unlikely to be enough of a window to oust Joshua from his "administrator" relationship with George Noble, insert himself into that role, and also gain "rights" to the ferry plus the 138 acres of land that went with the ferry. I'd say simply slip of the pen....in both cases. Maynard | 07/23/1997 8:32:25 | |
| "Men & Armour" | Pat & Maurice Crewe | Dear Liz, Just to let you know I have a copy of "Men & Armour in Gloucestershire 1608" - it is the 1980 reprint. The following are entries from it:- Pewtris, John - a Taylor about 20 yrs old of lower stature "fitt to serve with a Calyver" Pewtris, John - a sawier about 40 yrs old of lower stature "fitt to serve with a Calyver" Pewtris, Thomas - a Taylor about 20 yrs old of lower stature "fitt to serve with a Calyver" Pewtris, William - a wever about 40 yrs old of middle stature "fitt to make a musketyer" Pothres, Anthony - a Tanner about 20 yrs old of middle stature "fitt to make a musketyer" The first 3 came from Dymocke and Anthony came from Malswicke. This is all I have found so far. Regards, Pat & Maurice Crewe | 06/06/1997 9:56:58 |
| "Men & Armour" | Charles Neal | Pat & Maurice Crewe, Could I perhaps get the full source citation for the Men & Armour book, please? (Including identity of the author, orig publication date, the 1980 publisher's name & location) Thanks! BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com | 06/07/1997 8:50:37 |
| "portuguese" as a race | Jean Spille | Lea, As with so many tri-racial isolate groups, labels are attached to call them anything but ""white". "Portuguese" has been used in other instances. A friend, Elwood Stith, shared this and I will past it on to the list: Subject: Something else to ponder Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:47:19 -0400 From: "STITH, ELWOOD C" To: "'samlin@webtv.net'" See what happens when they allowed us to acqiure reading skills: This use of the term "Portuguese" for a mixed-race person accepted as white was used as early as October 1812 when the Marion District, South Carolina Court of Common Pleas ruled that Thomas Hagans did not have to pay the levy on "Free Negros" because he was Portuguese [NCGSJ IX:259]. Thomas was the son of Zachariah Hagins, a "Mulatto" bound out in Johnston County Court in October 1760 [Haun, Johnston County Court Minutes, I:46]. Elwood C. Stith Here is another from the Melungeon discussion list ( some of whom, by the way, ascribe to the theory that they are of Portuguese descent) The document below was also filed in MARION County, ARKANSAS on June 26, 1843 at YELLVILLE, AR, the county seat of Marion County and in OREGON County, MISSOURI on February 13, 1850 and refiled on May 5, 1890 in HOWELL County, Missouri, after his death. THOMAS HALL died December 30, 1888 at South Fork, HOWELL County, MISSOURI. September 19, 1935 MAURY COUNTY, TENNESSEE (Typed exactly as written) PROOF OF RACE AFFIDAVIT FILED IN MARION COUNTY, ARKANSAS at YELLEVILLE, ARKANSAS, OREGON COUNTY and HOWELL COUNTY, MISSOURI at WEST PLAINS, MISSOURI. State of Tennessee, Maury County, this day personally appeared before me, James L. Crawford one of the Justice of the Peace and for said county, THOMAS HALL and made part of private testimony that the said THOMAS HALL is intitled to all the privileges of a private citizen. THOMAS HALL'S great grandfather on his fathers sid was a PORTAGEE. His great grandfather on his mother's sid was an INGLISH man and THOMAS HALL grand on his father's sid was of the PORTAGEE decent and his grandfather on his mother's sid was an IRISHMAN and his own father was of the PORTAGEE decent and his mother was a WHITE AMERICAN BORN WOMAN. Sworn to and executed before me this 19th day of September 1835. James L. Crawford J.P. | 07/24/1997 3:41:01 |
| "The Family Tree" | The Odum Library in Moultrie, Georgia publishes this execellent international genealogical newspaper and it is FREE. Address: The Odum Library P. O. Box 1110 Moultrie, Georgia 31776-1110. It is published bi-monthly, is tabloid sized with two sections, probably 50+ pages in all. Coincidentally, the Odum Library is the respository for the clan records of about 75 or so of the Scottish Clans which I suspect is most of the clans with active societies here in U. S. If you have an interest in the Scottish part, the newspaper is a real winner....if you aren't interested in the Scottish stuff, its no big deal just to skip over it. All you need for a subscription is to drop them a note with your name and address asking to be put on the mailing list. How is it free? Some gracious lady named Ellen Payne Odum left them a huge endowment to do just what they are doing. Thought this might be of interest to those not already on the Odum Library list. Maynard ------------------------------ | 05/25/1997 4:14:59 | |
| "The Other" Bolling Batte Papers | Barbara...... Wow, I never dreamed the stuff would get to public access this quickly...but this is certainly great news. And even if Bolling Batte himself had not told you he had a bunch of other P stuff, that one was a cinch.....no way anyone could have collected John's tree to the exclusion of Francis2's tree unless he was just crazy or something. I can't wait to see the whole announcement. If I thought I could get into them I'd go to Richmond in a heartbeat even if it is considerable distance from Arlington.....but, I sure can't visualize the LVA folks letting some rookie with no credentials get in there to rifle through boxes of 30,000 index cards and who knows how many loose documents. Does that say we have to wait for them to be posted? Anyway, it certainly suggests to me to renew my annual token donation to LVA which I had planned to let drop this year.....maybe it'll be good for something but I can't see it earning me a subpoena for Batte's material. And if this material is going to be available to the public at some point prior being posted on line (i. e. there is a window in there), there is nothing that says I can't bop back over to Richmond. We have very close friends in Holy City with whom we can stay....and frankly, I work better with Jean along. I have discovered that in genealogical libraries, for me at any rate, one plus one equals three....or maybe, more likely as you ladies would probably say "Jean equals two". Anyhow, I'll certainly take your lead on what, if anything, we ought to do (or can do) right now. Thanks. Maynard | 06/05/1997 9:42:22 | |
| "The Other" Bolling Batte Papers | Charles Neal | Maynard, I feel sure the Bolling Batte papers would be in their Archives-only room(s), where my recollection is LVA has a visitor sign in with full identification & where the visitor can only bring in a pencil. Even any papers the visitor wishes to bring in, for referring to while accessing any of their collection, must be examined by the staff & cleared for entry (so there is no confusion where the visitor's papers came from, when the visitor is ready to LEAVE the room). Jean (as much help as she is in most venues) would not really be of much additional assistance in that room, it seems to me, since no visitor can make any photocopies himself from collection items viewed in that room. The Archives Room staff must make any photocopies the visitor wants, and my recollection is that is more pricey than the self-service copies out in the Library portion, but I could be recalling the cost aspect incorrectly. Thus taking along your little recorder (which they would no doubt also have to look at to make sure it is not some lethal piece of equipment), and reading aloud softly the cards into the recorder for later transcription, would probably be the more sensible way to go. Of course if you have 2 recorders, and Jean also wishes to mutter into one of them, then that would speed things up. I heartily recommend you squander one phone call to the LVA Archives Room to confirm whether or not visitors can indeed look at the Batte card collection, or whether it is tied up & unavailable all day everyday due to them preparing it for the online view. At that time you could also inquire about their current copying costs regarding items in the Archives Room(s), now that they are in their wonderful new facility. Wish I had some friend who lived there in the Holy City, as you called Richmond !! Ay, BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com | 06/07/1997 8:50:40 |
| [Fwd: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: rootsnet.com: host not found)] | Jean Spille | 05/16/1997 3:42:02 | |
| 3 & 4 | William Bridgforth, jr. | Hi Guys, After checking web page, found Batte chart with Francis I's children listed 1,2,3,& 4. However, only 1 & 2 where continued on the chart. Where are 3 & 4 ??? I'm descended from Francis II (#4)- I think. Where is his chart ?? Do "we" need to start one or is it hidden from us web page newbies? Love that web page - INCREDIBLE WORK, AL !!!! Bill Bridgforth ------------------------------ | 05/21/1997 4:53:29 |
| 5/14/97 - Kizziah | Charles Neal | Caroline, One thing that may or may not help on tracking down info on your Kissiah Poythress: I learned during our recent trip to Alabama, Florida, & Georgia that one current member of the Tuscaloosa (Alabama) Genealogical Society's Morning Group has the SURNAME of Kizziah. She is researching Kizziah, Childress, Jennings, Maddox, Moore, Norris, Ray, & Weaver. If you think that contacting her might help you, send me (directly to me) an Email message & I will send her name & address directly to you, at whatever your Email address currently is. BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com ------------------------------ | 05/14/1997 4:45:46 |
| 10-19-97 Update | Charles Neal | Folks, I have successfully made it thru a more-difficult-than-anticipated surgery & hospital stay. Am now home to recuperate slowly and lazily for several weeks at least. Be patient with me if I only "audit" the course for a good while; I'll be with you in thoughts, if not by sending you messages for a while. Helene, I appreciate the jokes. All for now. AY! BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com | 10/19/1997 4:49:54 |
| 10-21-97 Thanks | Charles Neal | Dear Folks, Helene, Cindy, Linda, and everyone. I am making progress, slowly but surely.  Barbara BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com | 10/21/1997 1:37:03 |
| 10-22-97 | Charles Neal | Enjoyed very much Maynard's info from the unexpected bonus trip to GDAH. Appreciate the info from BPW (I, too, find it confusing, by the way) and the bolstering greetings from Elise Courtney H. Markham and others. Patti, I find that your remarks about holding off for a month on any belly-laughs is certainly a good point. Now if I could just avoid the occasional coughs and sneezes that Fall seems to bring... All for now. Just reading messages seems to be enough exertion to require another nap. AY! BPN | 10/22/1997 9:47:28 |
| 10-22-97 2nd verse | Charles Neal | Thanks Crewes & Cindy, for your get-well wishes. Maynard, great to know of the upcoming info & pictures from Margaret Fletcher. Barbara (BPN) BarbPoythressNeal@compuserve.com | 10/22/1997 10:29:59 |
| 10-23-97 | Charles Neal | BPW & all, In saying that I,too, found the info confusing, I should have said I was referring to the info that you had mentioned, which was on the card from Elmwood Cemetery that Lyn sent you the copy of: I, too, do not understand why they would fail to list the other burials at that site, for which there are gravemarkers. Look forward to seeing a copy of the wedding invitations as soon as your Florida cousin gets a RoundTuit, which hopefully will be soon. If you want an additional cheerleader to write to her, encouraging her to send it on, do let me know. I am feeling better, but I guess it is fairly obvious that my attention-span is still very short. Getting very little reading done in between eating meals (that are thank-goodness pressed upon me) and frequent naps and long rest periods, Yesterday & today I made it down (about a block from our townhouse) to our condo-association's swimming pool area, and contentedly lounged there in the sun watching my current-nursemaid (sister-in-law) and my good friend do water exercises. Looking forward to midweek next week getting to the point where I can enjoy the pool and hot tub myself. Ay! BPN | 10/23/1997 7:26:50 |
| 11-16-97 | Charles Neal | Lyn Poythress Baird, THANKS so much for your wonderful work on the Batte spreadsheet, and on the directions regarding how to duplicate it at home from all of your work. I have not yet EVER done about half of the things in your list of instructions, so doing this will be a learning process for me. (And one that I won't attempt tonight.) But I know that Charles is well-familiar with importing text to spreadsheets & vice versa, so if I run into trouble, I'll pick his brain. I am curious: At what point in such analysis as you have apparently been doing on this (and other things), do you enter some/all of these Poythress folks (or others you may be analyzing) into your genealogy program? Never? Or only when you are sure they connect to your particular line? Or have you already entered them there? Again, thanks for all your work! Barbara | 11/16/1997 7:32:33 |
| 362 POCKRUS in my database. | Marion & Helene Pockrus | Lyn, First you are driving me nuts. I have several John Pockrus' and one has to be grandpa's father. Tell me who your John F. Pockrus is as I haven't found him. Where was he located? I probably have all kinds of connections to him and maybe he is one of my Johns(No laughs Maynard!) For 32 years we sought our RM Pockrus. Finally started looking and followed every Pockrus that we knew of forward and back. We have 362 at this point. As to spellings- The Pockrus children that David has with him cannot be all of his. The Pockrus families in ALabama still live on the original land that he bought in 1818. I've been there, done that, scrounged information on every vacation . I've combed cemeteries til I keeled over in Louisiana, seen many unmarked graves that are evidently Pockruses. Seven in one cemetery next to the Pockrus tombstone. Granpa was a turkey the family always thought. BUT HE WAS OUR GRANPA! He came home to be with grandma when she had her 5th child. He took a deadhead on the RR to get his paycheck and was never seen again. The family spent money they could ill afford and hired a dectective and never found him, or a body. It took the 1920 census to finally help me prove him . He was in an unmarked grave in Texas with a wife and child. Finally found someone who actually met him as a young bride and she liked him immensely! Grandma remarried a tyrant and died in childbirth within 5 years. Parkus(one of David's sons took this name. All of his decendants have it as well, however he is buried as POCKRUS next to his wife Martha LaFarlette Pockrus in Marshall Co., AL. The grave is being lapped at by the dam. Have not followed his forward at this time but have a couple of generations. Parkes Parkess Parcus Parkis Pakerus Packerous-Civil War record Pacrouse Parkhouse Packrouse Pacrouse Pacruss Pacrus Parkhurst Porkrest Porckrust Porckus Poccius Poriis Pockras Parcuse Parks Parrchuss-This was a lulu! There have been others, but this is what is on this data base. Before I die I would like to tie up the loose ends on Grandpa Pockrus. Then I would have all of the Pockrus family tied together. Please give me a hand. The only reason that I went to the Poythress board was because there had been speculation before. They have been very supportive but at times dubious. I'll help with that connection after I find your Joh F. Pockrus. Helene Pockrus | 06/30/1997 10:12:00 |
| 1587 Reference to Francis Poyllis (or Poytris) | Albert R. Tims | Subject: A possible Poytris? Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:15:52 +0100 From: Elizabeth Jack To: Albert R Tims Hi Al For what it's worth .... Whilst in the Bristol library today, looking for details for another client, I came across a book called 'The Overseas Trade of Bristol' which included a list of 'Prohibited Goods Exported to Spain from Bristol 1587'. It included: 'Francis Poyllis, merchaunt, transported a shippe called a Pellican unto the same place [Jamounte] and with like commodyties [fish, butter, leather, lead, powder] to the value of 1200li.' I wondered whethr the Poyllis could be a transcription error, that maybe it was Poytris instead. | 08/21/1997 7:49:34 |
| 1609 Frances Poythress | < (3.5 Megabytes). I made it much smaller for the web post. Perhaps too much? If you'd like, I can beef it back up to a larger size with higher resolution. I can add the transcription that Pat and Maurcie Crew sent us for this entry. Let me know.>>> Al, Yes please:) Heather | 08/31/1997 6:21:52 |