Messages Posted to the Poythress Mailing List: 2011 – 2020 (n = 610)
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| [POYTHRESS] Forward - Edward Poythress Message | Albert Tims | From: Dale Poythress Date: 1/6/2011 4:50:04 PM Subject: Edward E. Poythress Dear Members, I was contacted by someone in the ICU Dept. of a Florida Hospital. They are looking for the family of Edward E. Poythress, born 27 May1935, last address Geneva, FL. The only other information they had on him was a picture. On the back was Dale Poythress 1955, Palacious,Texas. This is my husband's name, but we do not know who he is. If anyone out there has any information please e-mail me at spoythress@embarqmail.com Sarah | 01/06/11 3:55:16 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress/Randolph | Marian | We are seeking all Poythress/Randolph connections--mostly in VA but can be in NC, & TN.. Henry Randolph married Tabitha Poythress and there are many records showing where many Randolphs married into the Poythresses. Thank you, Len & Marian Randolph | 01/06/11 12:33:12 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress/Randolph | Barbara Neal | Len & Marian Randolph: Good to hear from you. Our Poythress List has been archiving messages since March 1995, and in case you have not already searched that archives, please know that at this site: http:// archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgibin/search?aop&path=POYTHRESS you can do a keyword search that will search the entire "Body" of every email -- so you could search on the name Randolph, for example, or on the name Tabitha, or any location or any other word or date. The archives can also be browsed chronologically by month & year at this site: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POYTHRESS You may also find helpful info at our Poythress research website, http://poythress.net/ though I don't specifically recall which, if any, sections of it mention the Randolph surname. Good luck in your research. Barbara | 01/09/11 10:37:12 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress/Catlett reference VA Mag of Genealogy | Barbara Neal | My 3rd try to send this: Virginia Magazine of Genealogy [VMG], Volume 48, Number 2, issue of May 2010, continued a serialized article by Susan Chiarello, of info which Chiarello transcribed from "George Harrison Sanford King's Card File," from the "C" surname section of the file. [His Card File is included in his papers, held as Manuscript Mss K5823a, in boxes 57-76 at the VA Historical Society, in Richmond, VA]. Regarding the card for Catlett, John the card refers to his Estate in Caroline County, VA, suit in chancery for which the reference was in Caroline Co, VA Order Book 2, p.161-11 March 1742/3 [This reference likely refers to the suit having been "revived," so the suit would originally have been filed sometime earlier]. As I read and understand Chiarello's transcription of the card, apparently John Catlett's daughter Mary Catlett, was a spinster when the chancery suit was originally filed by her, as Complainant versus John's widow, the Defendant and Executrix, who was also named Mary Catlett. At some point, the Complainant-spinster-daughter Mary Catlett had married Edmond Poythress [Edmond was not further identified in this VMG article]. Subsequent to that marriage, is when the suit was revived. The [presumably Caroline Co, VA] chancery suit as originally titled was between: Mary Catlett, spinster, Complainant vs Mary Catlett, Executrix of John Catlett, deceased, Defendant I am not familiar with the marriage between Mary Catlett and Edmond Poythress, especially when and where it took place. If anyone has any further info about it, I would welcome hearing of it. Caroline County, by the way was formed in 1728 from the counties of - Essex, - King and Queen, and - King William It's located considerably north of Richmond, and just southeast of Fredericksburg, VA. | 01/09/11 10:44:15 |
| [POYTHRESS] bounce test about 12:40pm eastern time 1/10/2011 | Barbara Neal | Trying to see if the List is still bouncing new email messages. Barbara | 01/10/11 3:43:01 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] bounce test about 12:40pm eastern time 1/10/2011 | Barbara Neal | Thanks, Linda. Good to see that apparently the bouncing of messages has stopped. Barbara | 01/10/11 3:58:56 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] bounce test about 12:40pm eastern time 1/10/2011 | James A. Smith | I'm here in Gadsden Co., FL lcs | 01/10/11 5:55:07 |
| [POYTHRESS] WWII Draft Registration - Arthur Waldon Poythress born 1889 in Panola Co, TX | Barbara Neal | FamilySearch now has indexed and posted images of the World War II draft cards from several states. Below is my transcription of one of the 3 cards for Poythress men who then lived in Louisiana. Barbara D.S.S. Form 1 (Revised 4-1-42) Registration Card (Men born on or after April 28, 1877 and on or before February 16, 1897) Serial Number [box has pre-printed "U" followed by a blank, in which "95" was handwritten] 1. Name: Arthur Waldon Poythress 2. Place of Residence: RFD #2 Box 650; Shreveport, Caddo [Parish], La. (The place of residence given on the line above will determine Local Board Jurisdiction; Line 2 of Registration Certificate will be identical) 3. Mailing Address: Same 4. Telephone: None 5. Age in Years: 52 Date of Birth: June 5, 1889 6. Place of Birth: Panola County, Texas 7. Name and Address of Person Who Will Always Know Your Address: P.C. Holley, 149 Carrollton Ave, Shreveport, La. 8. Employer's Name and Address: Self 9. Place of Employment or Business: RFD #2 Box 650; Shreveport, Caddo [Parish], La. I Affirm That I Have Verified Above Answers and That They are True. Registrant Signature: [signed AWPoythress] | 01/13/11 10:12:04 |
| [POYTHRESS] WWII Draft Registration - Samuel Jefferson Poythress born 1885 Panola Co, TX | Barbara Neal | FamilySearch now has indexed and posted images of the World War II draft cards from several states. Below is my transcription of one of the 3 cards for Poythress men who then lived in Louisiana. Barbara D.S.S. Form 1 (Revised 4-1-42) Registration Card (Men born on or after April 28, 1877 and on or before February 16, 1897) Serial Number [box has pre-printed "U" followed by a blank, in which "203" was stamped] 1. Name: Samuel Jefferson Poythress 2. Place of Residence: On a tract of land West of Libby Owens Glass Factory, Shreveport, La. (The place of residence given on the line above will determine Local Board Jurisdiction; Line 2 of Registration Certificate will be identical) 3. Mailing Address: c/o 3611 Greenwood Road, Shreveport, La. 4. Telephone: 37837 5. Age in Years: 56 Date of Birth: Oct 19, 1885 6. Place of Birth: Panola County, Texas 7. Name and Address of Person Who Will Always Know Your Address: Mrs. Sam J. Poythress, c/o 3611 Greenwood Road,Shreveport, La. 8. Employer's Name and Address: Self employed 9. Place of Employment or Business: same as residence, Shreveport, Caddo [Parish], La. I Affirm That I Have Verified Above Answers and That They are True. Registrant Signature: [signed Sam Poythress] | 01/13/11 10:14:14 |
| [POYTHRESS] WWII Draft Registration - John Henry Poythress born 1890 Caddo Parish, LA | Barbara Neal | FamilySearch now has indexed and posted images of the World War II draft cards from several states. Below is my transcription of one of the 3 cards for Poythress men who then lived in Louisiana. Barbara D.S.S. Form 1 (Revised 4-1-42) Registration Card (Men born on or after April 28, 1877 and on or before February 16, 1897) Serial Number [box has pre-printed "U" followed by a blank, in which "694" was stamped] 1. Name: John Henry Poythress 2. Place of Residence: 160 Archer; Shreveport, Caddo [Parish], Louisiana (The place of residence given on the line above will determine Local Board Jurisdiction; Line 2 of Registration Certificate will be identical) 3. Mailing Address: Same 4. Telephone: 7-5977 5. Age in Years: 52 Date of Birth: March 20, 1890 6. Place of Birth: Caddo [Parish] Louisiana 7. Name and Address of Person Who Will Always Know Your Address: Mrs. I.G. Hedrick, 160 Archer,Shreveport, La. 8. Employer's Name and Address: Y. & M.V. Railroad Co., Bossier City, Louisiana 9. Place of Employment or Business: Traffic St., Bossier City, Bossier [Parish] Louisiana I Affirm That I Have Verified Above Answers and That They are True. Registrant Signature: [signed John Henry Poythress] | 01/13/11 10:15:33 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Question for Bud re WWII US Navy basic training | Dear Barbara, I wasa rummaging through some old e-mail this AM when I picket up this message from you that I had never responded to ..... PLEASE, MY HEARTFELT APOLOGIES! I can only say I was smothered in e-mail messages about that time and simply never saw it somehow so please forgive me. But I'm glad I save it all this time. But I will still answer your question as best I can. I went through "boot camp" in February - May 1939 at Norfolk, VA. At that time there were only '2' recruit training facilities in the U.S. .... NOB, NTS Norfolk, VA where I trained and NOB, NTS San Diego, CA the other, and the training sessions were generally for 3 months (or 90 days). It was generally customary for enlistees from "east of the Mississippi" to be sent to Norfolk Training station and enlistees from west of the Mississippi were sent to San Deigo Training Station. However, occasionally a group might be sent to the other due to over crowding, etc. as in our case, half our platoons training group were from Texas. And, even back in 1939 our training period was shortened somewhat due to the Navy Fleets' needs, and my group finished in about 2 months.. I don't remember exactly when it reverted back to the standard 3 month period, as it was reduced due to expanding naval forces in the late 1930s. Upon completion of training the new recruits were assigned to various ships where ever they may be needed, east or west as the need dictated. My brother, enlisted in 1935 4 years ahead of me trained in Norfolk but was assigned to the USS Oklahoma in the Pacific. So it's just where you are needed that dictates where you're shipped out too.. The training base at Norfolk was closed sometime after I went through and was shifted first to NTS Baingridge, MD and that too was subsequently closed and shifted to NOB, NTS Great Lakes, IL but I don't remember just when that occurred. Now they have 3 or 4 training facilities scattered around the country, but yes, San Diego is still open and in operating today. . My first ship, once I completed recruit training was aboard the USS Omaha CL4 and in April 1941 I was transferred to the USS Bainbridge DD246 (my 2nd ship), and so on......Both of my first 2 ships were detailed in that time period to the Atlantic and remained in the Atlantic throughout WWII. In 1944 I had made Warrant Officer, SC, and was assignment was the commissioning detail of the USS Birgit AKA24 and we put her in commission in Providence, RI in October 1944 and following a short "shake-down" detail after commissioning we went straight to the South Pacific for duty. . I remained aboard the USS Birgit until I was discharged at San Francisco in January 1946, where Merle met us as the USS Birgit arrived with a load of returning troops from the Philippines on New Days day 1946! This was our second trip to San Francisco as we had earlier brought a load of returning soldiers from Southern Japan and had spent Thanksgiving in San Francisco leaving the following Saturday for this 2nd trip. Merle and I had a wonderful time in San Francisco for about 2 weeks before heading for Savannah and god old Georgia!!.......... Very likely your uncle was in Recruit training at San Diego in 1942 and if so would have then been an Apprentice Seaman, or "AS", and upon completion of 4 months automatically advanced to Sea2c (of S2c). From there he would have advanced to Sea1c (or S1c -Seaman 1st Class). From that point he'd would have become some 3c petty officer in whatever specialty he had chosen, as in my case a Storekeeper 3c - SK3c.. Or, he may have gone into the engineering rates in which case he would have gone from S2c to F2c and on into some engineering speciality. Now, if he was pulling shore duty in the San Diego area rather than in "boot training" in 1942 upon completion of that dry he would most likely hood have been assigned to a ship in the Pacific for duty. . I hope this is clear for you and I haven't really confused you, for if I did, simply blame it on my age!! I'll turn 90 in 2 weeks if I last that long. Again, Barbara, I don't know what happened that I missed your message but I'm truly glad that it turned up and I hope this covered all your questions. Hope you're having a wonderful New 2011! Love to ALL the family, Bud ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 11/30/2010 6:22:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, barbpoy.neal@gmail.com writes: Bud, Can you by any chance tell me whether San Diego was a location for US Navy basic training during 1942? And how long was the basic training? I ask, because my uncle (who died 26 Jun 1979 at age 65), Norman Poythress, was in the US Navy in WWII. His kids and I do not know exactly when he joined the Navy after Pearl Harbor, or where he went for basic training, but we all know he served in the Pacific; I have somewhere what Seaman class level he was, but he definitely was not of high rank. I know that by April 1942 he was stationed at San Diego, and may have been there for a while earlier. Thanks for any enlightenment you can give re potential Navy basic training. Cheers, Barbara | 01/15/11 11:04:22 | |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Question for Bud re WWII US Navy basic training | Barbara Neal | Thanks, Bud, for sharing so much of your own US Navy history with all of us on the Poythress List -- As our valued "Ranking Senior" Poythress, your input continues to mean a lot. Thanks to your info, and to all the photos that my uncle and father took -- all in California and none in Norfolk -- it seems clear to me that my uncle's training was in San Diego. Thanks so much, Barbara | 01/16/11 10:09:45 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Test response | Barbara Neal | Hi Sarah, It looks to me from your below message like you are indeed subscribed. If so, you should receive this response Barbara | 01/18/11 2:15:31 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Test | John M. Poythress | Sarah, I never have understood what that "bounces" stuff is all about but I have discovered that it doesn't seem to make any difference. I got your message okay. Maynard | 01/18/11 5:03:16 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Rebecca Poythress Pace | Barbara Neal | Sheryl, good to hear from you again. I rather doubt that any of us have the ability to know whether we connect to that line, but I (and I'm sure others, too) sure would appreciate knowing more about the dates and places of the Pace connection you mention: > Amy Strickland married to Thomas Pace; Thomas is the son of Rebecca > Poythress & Richard Pace, III | 01/19/11 7:29:08 |
| [POYTHRESS] Rebecca Poythress Pace | Cliff and Sheryl | I have been ask to help a friend connect to her Poythress lineage. She is working on an application for DAR. Amy Strickland married to Thomas Pace; Thomas is the son of Rebecca Poythress & Richard Pace, III Does anyone connect to this line? Thanks so much, Sheryl Rowell Townsend c.s.townsend@sbcglobal.net | 01/19/11 8:18:57 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Rebecca Poythress Pace | John Pace | The Richard Pace mentioned was not married to Rebecca Poythress. There is however a blood relationship between the Pace and Poythress family through Richard Tye and Joyce Boyce. Read what that relationship was at Pacespaines.com. John Pace | 01/19/11 11:25:27 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Rebecca Poythress Pace & Maj Francis Poythress land | Barbara Neal | John Pace, Wow, thank you so much for letting us know of your website, and for the amazing amount of effort you have put into platting land, and to writing your very involved, but very good & well-documented, Article #1 with its accompanying land plat. Reading through your Article, connected to your PacesPaines.com website, which article I copied into Word, to be able to scribble in the margins & use a highlighter on, as I went through it, also got me back to John Brayton's 1996 book, The Descendants of Cheney Boyce, "Ancient Planter" and Richard Craven, For Seven Generations which you cited, and which is very good. His Appendix 1 gives appropriate attention and direction regarding Dr. Claiborne T Smith's 1960 article on "Poythress of Prince George County, Virginia," which many of us Poythress folks have. Your summation of the logical understanding of the land plats is greatly appreciated -- especially since I had long ago gotten frustrated by the lack of enough info in some of said plats (as you noted) to allow platting. Your mention of the Woodlief line will also be appreciated by at least one of our Poythress-List members who's been working on that surname, too. Thank you again so much for speaking up, to alert us to your work, and especially for all your work. (I'm copying the earlier thread below only because I'm changing the subject-line of this message; usually it is better to not have the whole thread with our messages.) Barbara | 01/21/11 2:09:39 |
| [POYTHRESS] Origin of name POYTRESS | margaret.bray | Does anyone know the origin of the name POYTRESS? Is it related to family of weavers who came from France to England? Kind regards - and thanks for your help Margaret Bray | 01/29/11 6:00:10 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Origin of name POYTRESS | Barbara Neal | Hi Margaret, While there have been many through the years who've put forth their ideas, there is no real knowledge that I'm aware of. I'm not familiar with the "family of weavers who came from France to England" that you mentioned, but if you can give some approximation of when that happened, I can at least check to see if/how it fits with the tracing of the name done in England, back a good distance. Thanks, Barbara | 01/30/11 6:03:40 |
| [POYTHRESS] NC Poythress death 11 Feb 2011 | Barbara Neal | Our condolences to the family and friends of H.M. Poythress of Goldsboro, a fine man who died at age 73 on 11 Feb. His obituary can be seen by clicking on the "obituaries" section of the webpage of SeymourFuneralHome-com | 02/13/11 9:14:19 |
| [POYTHRESS] Obit for Michael Shayne Poythress age 30 of Wilmington NC d.13 Feb 2011 | Barbara Neal | Our sympathy to the family and fiancee of Michael Shayne Poythress, who was murdered on Sunday near Wilmington. Stories regarding the tragic incident, and now his obit with his photo, can be seen at the Wilmington Star-News website. In the obit, his father, who survives him, is listed as Michael Wayne Poythress of Wilson. He is also survived by his paternal grandfather, Bill Poythress of Wilson; his paternal grandmother, Glenda Poythress, predeceased him. | 02/17/11 2:53:02 |
| [POYTHRESS] Online digitized City Directories of Norfolk & Portsmouth, VA, mid-1800 to 1931 | Barbara Neal | Online digitized City Directories, Norfolk & Portsmouth 1851 to 1931 were placed online by the Sargeant Memorial Room of the Kirn Library, Norfolk, VA, according to a notice in the VGS Newsletter of August 2009. All the directories are for research, and commercial reprints are prohibited. At the below site, scroll to the bottom of the resources listed for "City Directories." The approximately 30 directories are in PDF format. As an example, the first of them is for the City of Norfolk, VA 1851-1852. It has 176 pages, in 8.8 MB. www.npl.lib.va.us/SMRT/smr_home.html Other resources are available there, too, some of which require registering for a Norfolk Public Library card (free to Virginia residents; annual fee for out of state residents). | 02/22/11 4:41:37 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Robert Walter Poythress died in GA 6 Dec 2010 - 2 obits | Barbara Neal | Thanks, Ginger, and Maynard, for the additional info on the Robert Walter Poythress [Jr] who died in Swainsboro, GA on 6 Dec 2010. With the 30 Jul 2005 obit Ginger posted for his brother, John W Poythress, who we know thanks to Maynard was the maker of custom knives, we now know that Robert Walter Poythress [Jr] was the son of Robert W Poythress, Sr and Ruby Brinson. I have found some more info: At the National Archives' Access to Archival Databases for WWII (http://aad.archives.gov/aad/) a search of WWII Enlistment shows: Robert W Poythress [Sr], Serial # 34835694, white citizen resident of Chatham Co, GA, who was born in GA in 1921, and whose Education was shown as "4 years of high school" and whose Civilian Occupation classification was shown as "General industry clerks" The record also shows he enlisted at FT MCPHERSON, ATLANTA GEORGIA on 17 Mar 1944 as a Private in the Army Air Corps Reserves "for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law" in the following component of the Army, "Reserves - exclusive of Regular Army Reserve and Officers of the Officers Reserve Corps on active duty under the Thomason Act (Officers and Enlisted Men -- O.R.C. and E.R.C., and Nurses-Reserve Status)." [I have found that this usually indicates a college student who entered ROTC and later may have served as an officer in the Army Air Corps, which later evolved to being the US Air Force.] The source of the enlistment info was shown as: "Enlisted Reserve or Medical Administrative Corps (MAC) Officer." I also checked the National Archives' WWII POW index; his name is not listed as having been a POW. | 03/01/11 9:00:21 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Wilkinson feedback re Lincoln Co, NC will of Delphy Portus 1811 | Barbara Neal | Thanks, Ken, for following up on my message of last summer. I look forward to checking this out later, but am totally immersed in two other things at the moment. Barbara On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 8:13 AM, > After speaking with sahouk@bell south.net (Susie) , I have some info that > may help you > > 1. Will of Frances Poythress 1796 ,Ruben Wilkinson witness in Dinwiddie > Co.,VA this can be found on line in the Magazine of VA. Genealogy under > Frances Poythress . > > 2. The first wife of James Wilkinson was Ann Ward . There is mention in and > old affidavit filed in Lincoln Co.NC Court vouching pension info > for Milldred Ward sister of Ann .It was dated 1841.(Susie has a copy of this > document .) John Yergin is the Rev War solider and the husband that Milldred > was trying to file pension for . > > 3. The second wife of James Wilkinson was Nancy Stiles (1799 to 1882) > married in 1818 to James bore him 5 children .She died in Reform Ala. at > Mackay's cemetery .Her grave is unmarked .She collected James' pension of > $28.21 per year till her death > > 4.Try as I might I can not locate my copy of the sheriff record for the > dispute of land between Frances Poythress and James Wilkinson .At the time I > saw it , it was in the old Dinwiddie Co. Courthouse .This has now become a > museum .I am told that the record is now in Petersburg VA. > > Hope this helps , sorry it took so long to get back to you ! > Ken Wilkinson > > In a message dated 6/24/2010 5:09:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > barbpoy.neal@gmail.com writes: > > Thanks Maynard for posting Kenneth's message for all of us. And > thanks, Kenneth, for speaking up. > > Kenneth, can you please help me on a few things here: > > 1. What was the date of that Sheriff's record of a dispute was > recorded in the Dinwiddie County, VA court house that you mentioned? > You had mentioned it was between James Wilkinson and a member of the > Poythress family, and it was settled in James Wilkinson's favor. > Since named James Wilkinson lived over a wide time period, and > certainly lots of various Poythress people, the date would help. > > 2. Can you give any helpful info mentioned in that Revolutionary War > Pension Application by James Wilkinson? Where was he applying for a > Pension -- North Carolina or Virginia? If his wife was named, or if > he said who he served under, or what battle or campaign he served in, > or any names of people that vouched for him, just any info could > help. > > 3. Do you know James Wilkinson's wife's name? > > 4. Do you know the name of his sister Nancy's Blakley husband? > > Thanks for any help, Kenneth. > Barbara > = > > From: Kennethkbw2@aol.com [mailto:Kennethkbw2@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 9:07 > To: vkratliff@insightbb.com > Subject: Re: FW: [POYTHRESS] Transcrip: Lincoln Co, NC will of Delphy > Portus 1811 > > IN THE DENWIDDIE CO VA COURTHOUSE IS A SHIRERIFF RECORD OF A DISPUTE > BETWEEN JAMES WILKINSON AND A MEMBER OF THE POYTHRESS FAMILY THAT WAS > SETTLED IN JAMES WILKINSON'S FAVOR. > THERE ARE STILL LIVING IN DENWIDDIE CO VA MEMBERS OF THE POYTHRESS FAMILY. > > HAVE E-MAILED THEM WITH NO REPLY. MOST OF THE FAMILY BELEIVES THAT > DELPHY'S LAST NAME AT DEATH WAS INDEED DUE TO A SECOND MARRIAGE > ALTHOUGH MR.POYTHRESS DID NOT MAKE IT TO NC. WE CAN > ACCOUNT FOR ALL CHILDREN MENTIONED IN THE WILL EXCEPT RUBEN WILKINSON > AND HIS CHILDREN. > > MY GUESS IS THAT THEY STAYED IN VA. ALL THIS COULD BE ANSWERED IF THE > FAMILY BIBLE COULD FOUND! > > WHEN JAMES APPLIED FOR PENSION FOR THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR HE STATED > THAT THE BIBLE WAS IN THE HANDS OF HIS SISTER NANCY BLAKLEY. > > I BELIEVE SHE IS BURRIED IN THE SMYRNA METH. CHURCH GRAVEYARD IN > LINCOLN OR CATAWABA CO. > > CAN YOUR BARBRA POYTHRESS NEAL TRACE HER FAMILY ? LET ME KNOW SENCERLY > YOURS , KENNETH BANDY WILKINSON II > > | 03/05/11 3:53:19 |
| [POYTHRESS] FL obit this wk led to connection back in VA | Barbara Neal | Even though the obit (shown at the bottom here) does not name the parents of Jeanne Marie Poythress Geary Thompson, I was able to determine who they were by checking the Census info (both Elaine's compilation, and the recently posted info at Family Search, including images of a 1935 Florida State Census. Jeanne's obit mentions her surviving sister Bertha, for whom I was unable to find a working telephone at whitepages. Jeanne, and logically Bertha, were the children of Wallace C Poythress and his wife Lucille/Lucile. As a boy in the 1910 Census compilation by Elaine, he was in HH 14 of the Meherrin Dist./Rock Store portion of Brunswick Co, VA, on sheet 9A, ED 9, enumerated 2 May, in the (white) home of L.L. Portice and wife Mary E, who had been married 12 yrs, had 6 children, all 6 living, listed there as Annie V (10) [seems likely from 1920 census that her middle name could have been Velma or Delma]; Wallace J (9) [see more about his middle initial below]; Rufus? (7) [apparently this was Ruth]; ?Cartis L (5) [Carthin]; Shelton (4); David (2). In 1920, thankfully either the education level of the Census-taker had improved, or the accents of the ones giving the info was more understandable to him. The family was still in the Meherrin Dist./Rock Store portion of Brunswick Co, VA and the (white) household of Leon L Poytress [sic] & wife Mary E. From looking at the 1920 image of the Census, we have names of Wallace's siblings as dtr Delma (20); son Wallace (18); dtr Ruth (17); son Carthen (15); son Skelton (13); son Davy (12); and son Rivers (7). In spite of him showing in the 1910 Census as Wallace J, the SSDI shows him as Wallace C, and the 1930 & 1935 Censuses also have the middle initial of C. In the 1930 Ft Lauderdale, Broward Co, FL Census, I suspect there was some confusion whether caused intentionally or not, and that there was logically only one man surnamed Poythress who was (1) born in VA, (2) married, (3) age 29, (4) serving in the Coast Guard, and (5) living in 1930 in Fort Lauderdale, Broward Co, FL. I say this because my search has failed to reveal any other entry than this 1930 Census regarding a "Mabry" or "Mabrey" Poythress -- and I've checked earlier VA censuses, the SSDI, and the entire country in Family Search from 1900-2000. Elaine's census compendium shows both of these men were in the Coast Guard; the 1930 Census index at Family Search, in Fort Lauderdale, Broward Co, FL, has both of them, too: (1) in Enumeration District (ED) 8, Family 279, Sheet 10A, Lines 47-48, the couple: - Mabry S Poythress, head, white male, 29, married, b.VA, fa b.VA, mo b.VA - Lucile Poythress, wife, white female, 26, married, b.AL, fa b.FL, mo b.AL AND (2) in ED 9, Sheet 8B, Line 55, apparently on the Coast Guard base: - Wallace C Poythress, white male, 29, married, b.VA, fa b.VA, mo b.VA However in the 1935 Florida State Census at Family Search, there is only one Poythress family in Ft Lauderdale: Precinct 6 of Ft Lauderdale, Broward Co, FL, with West Broward written at the top of the address column, lines 2-4, includes the W C Poythress family, who along with at least 12 others on the same page, resided at 1013 Boulevard, in what was apparently an apartment house: - Poythress, W.C; yes (inside city limits); male age 34, white, Husband of family, born VA; his Degree of Education was shown as "Grade" He was a renter; occupation "Coast Guard." - [Poythress], Lucille; yes (inside city limits); female age 31, white, wife of family, born Ala, occupation House Wife. - [Poythress], Jean; female age 5, white, daughter of family, born Fla; Education "no" [This child is the below lady for whom we now have the obit] Wallace C Poythress was son of Leon Lee Poythress & Mary E Lambert. - grandson of William Lewis Poythress & Anna Jane Jones - g-grandson of Thomas M Poythress & Lucy Jane Thomas - gg-grandson of Lewis Poythress & Rebecca B Taylor The obit was published 2 March 2011 in the Lake City [FL] Reporter. The full obit with a photo of the deceased can be seen at Legacy.com for free during the first 30 days: Jeanne Marie Poythress Geary Thompson Jeanne Marie Poythress Geary Thompson, 80, resident of Lake City, FL went to be with her Lord and Savior on February 27, 2011 surrounded by her family at Haven Hospice after an extended illness. Born March 4, 1930 in Bartow, FL Jeanne's fondest childhood memories were of her time in Coden, AL. She graduated from Murphy High School, Mobile, AL 1947. She married James L. (Jimmy) Geary, Jr August 15, 1947. They moved to the Miami, FL area in 1954 and raised their family. She returned to school in 1974 to fulfill a life-long dream and earned her nursing license. She and Jimmy had 28 loving years of marriage before his death in 1975. Jeanne married John Robert (Bob) Thompson December 22, 1978. They retired to Inverness, FL in 1993. Upon his death in 2008 Jeanne moved to live with family in Lake City, FL. A loving mother, grandmother, wife, friend, and nurse she devoted herself to the needs and comfort of everyone she knew. Her faith, belief and love for the Lord gave her strength and peace which shone as an example to her loved ones. She enjoyed crocheting, baking with the grandchildren, encouraging children to reach their goals, yard sales and in later years spoiling her poodles Chrissy, Sherree and Angel. She is survived by her daughters, Jeanne Coleman (Ronnie) of Bushnell, FL, Johanna Nelson of Lake City, FL, Judi Tannachion (Charles) of Lake City, FL and Joyce Sarno of Coloma, MI; sister Bertha Strickland of Ocala, FL; eight grandchildren and seven great-grandchildren; many nieces, nephews and friends and her loving poodle, Angel also survive. Visitation for Mrs. Thompson will be held from 5:00pm to 7:00pm on Wednesday, March 2, 2011 at the Heinz Funeral Home in Inverness. A Mass of Christian Burial will be offered at 11:00am on Thursday, March 3, 2011 at Our Lady of Fatima Catholic Church in Inverness with interment to follow at Florida National Cemetery in Bushnell, FL. In lieu of flowers Jeanne requested donations be made to The Children's Home Society of Jacksonville or Haven Hospice. Heinz Funeral Home & Cremation, Inverness, FL | 03/08/11 5:14:55 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] FL obit this wk led to connection back in VA | Randy Jones | Thanks | 03/10/11 4:06:16 |
| [POYTHRESS] Mocavo.com | John M. Poythress | If there is anyone who hasn't stumbled into this gem, give it a try. It's pretty astonishing! Maynard | 04/13/11 10:58:56 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Thomas E. Poythress | Barbara Neal | Below are my notes re this will, Maynard, which you posted in Nov 2008. Barbara = Email posted to the Poythress email list by John Maynard Poythress: Subject: [POYTHRESS] Will of Thomas Eppes Poythress From: John M. Poythress Date: Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:03 PM We have pieces of this ca 1847 will in the form of an abstract of a Circuit Court decision printed in the William & Mary Quarterly. If we have a copy of the actual will I haven't seen it. The current database (of items posted on the Poythress website & in emails to the Poythress email list, which database is periodically updated by Maynard, with CD copies sent to various Poythress researchers) entry reads: = Thomas E. Poythress of Charles City County, death 1847 1847 >From Circuit Court, Charles City county. Poythress et als. v. Harrison: Thomas E. Poythress, of Charles City County, died 1847. Will: Widow, Beersheba inherited estate for life, and at her death goes to legatees: a brother, Joshua; nephew William P. Poythress; niece Nancy G. D. Harrison; Thomas P. Harrison, an infant, and his sister, Oceana, children of Braxton Harrison, dec'd. Camilla A. M. Harrison was Thomas P. Harrison's guardian. He willed his watch to his friend and neighbor, Thos. H. Wilcox. George Walker, Executor. (Wm & Mary Quarterly, 2nd series, vol. _ , p. 130) Notes from an "account of a family member now dec'd": Issue of William and Mary Gilliam Poythress: 1. Joshua Poythress, m. Jane Angus 2. Thomas Eppes Poythress, m. Mrs. Harrison 3. William Poythress, died unmarried 4. Patrick Henry Poythress m. Elizabeth Eppes = = = (Maynard continued) I now discover that there is a fairly complicated "Part B" story to this court case which was appealed to the Special Court of Appeals for Virginia. I am transcribing this below for those who may wish to append it to the database entry for the 1847 will. I'm assuming that this record is "new" for us. Other than confirming three generations of Poythresses which we already knew, this court of appeals case is more confirmational than important and indeed in some respects is even fun to figure out and remark over some of the mysteries. I will append some conversation at the end intended only as whimsy for the comment of any who might offer further enlightenment or opinion. This rascal grows HAIR! = 1855 (January term, Special Court of Appeals of Virginia Richmond POYTHRESS et als. v. HARRISON Absent, Clopton, J. (He sat in the court below) [?] A testator devises his whole estate to his wife for life, remainder to three nephews, with a "condition annexed" to the estates of the remaindermen "that they are to contribute equally to raise the sum of $1000 for Thomas P. Harrison, to be paid to him at the death" of the widow. He also gives him a horse, bridle, and saddle, to be received as soon as he completes his education; and a watch to be received at the death of the testator. The will then proceeds, "but should he die before he receives any or all of the legacies herein given him, then such as he may not have received" are to go to his sister. HELD: The legacy of $1000 is contingent upon Harrison's surviving his widow, on failure of which it belongs to his sister. It is not, therefore, payable, nor any part of it, until the widow's death, though she renounces the will, and the remaindermen receive a portion of their shares of the estate. In 1847, Thomas E. [Eppes] Poythress died, leaving a will, by which he devised to his wife, Beersheba, all his property for life. The will then proceeded as follows: "Second, At the death of my wife, I give, and bequeath, and devise all my estate, real, personal and mixed, to my brother Joshua Poythress, my nephew William P. Poythress, and my niece Nancy G. D. Harrison, to be equally divided among them, share and share alike, to them and their heirs forever, with this condition annexed - they are to contribute equally to raise the sum of $1000 for Thos. P. Harrison, son of Braxton Harrison, deceased, to be paid to him and his heirs forever. I also give the said Thomas P. Harrison a horse of the value of sixty dollars, and my saddle and bridle, to him and his heirs forever. This last bequest of a horse, saddle and bridle, I wish him to have as soon as he completes his education. I also give him my silver watch at my death; but should he die before he receives any or all of the legacies herein, and in that event, I give such as he may not have received to his sister Oceana Harrison, except the watch, which I give to my friend and neighbor, Thos. H. Wilcox." The will was duly recorded in Charles City county, (of which the testator was a resident,) and shortly thereafter the said Beersheba appeared in court and renounced the provision made for her in the will. In consequence of this, one-third of the negroes and land of the testator were assigned to her and, the remaining two-thirds to the legatees in remainder above named. The rest of the personal estate remained in the hands of the executor, (George Walker,) to be thereafter distributed by him, (after paying the debts of the estate,) one-half to the widow and the other half to the legatees. In May, 1848, after these proceedings had been had, Thomas P. Harrison, above named, who was an infant, filed a bill by his next friend, setting forth the matters above stated, and insisting, that it was evident the testator intended he should receive his legacy at the same time that the legatees in remainder received theirs; that according to the will, they would not have received their interests until the death of the widow, but that inasmuch as they, by the renunciation of the widow, had become entitled to receive, and had actually received, the greater portion of their legacies, though the widow was still alive, he also was entitled to receive a like proportion of his. The bill, therefore, prayed that such proportion might be decreed to him, and that provision should be made for the payment of the residue upon the death of the widow. The executor and the devisees in remainder were made parties to the bill, and the former was required to say in his answer whether he had sufficient funds in his hands to pay the legacy of $1,000 to the plaintiff. The defendants answered - the executor stating that he had, as he believed, enough money in his hands to pay the legacy, but that he was unwilling to bind himself by an admission of assets, in the then state of his transactions as executor; and the other defendants, stating that they were willing to secure the payment of the legacy at the death of the widow, if Harrison were then living, denied his right to receive anything until that time, first, because the will directed it to be then paid, and secondly, because the devise to him was contingent upon his surviving the widow, in failure of which the property was to go to his sister Oceana. On the hearing of the case, the court decreed that the legatees in remainder should pay to Camilla A. M. Harrison, the legally qualified guardian of the infant plaintiff, the sum of $666.66 2/3 , that being two-thirds of his legacy, and should secure the payment of the remaining one-third at the death of the widow. From this decree the legatees appealed to this court. Gholson & Jones, for the appellants, submitted the case on petition of appeal. Nance, for the appellee. FIELD, P. delivered the opinion of the court, in which all the judges concurred. The court is of the opinion that the appellee, at the time of instituting his suit in the Circuit Court, was not entitled to recover the legacy of $1,000 bequeathed to him by Thomas E. Poythress, for two reasons: first, because the said legacy was not payable to him until after the death of Mrs. Beersheba Poythress, the testator's widow, although she had renounced the provision made for her in her husband's will; and secondly, because the said legacy, until after the death of Mrs. Poythress, was contingent, and if the appellee had died in her life-time it would have been payable to his sister, Oceana Harrison, as directed by the will. See Swope v. Thambers 2 Grat.319. Therefore, it is decreed and ordered, that the decree of the court below be reversed with costs. And the court here, proceeding to enter such decree as the court below should have entered, doth order the said bill to be dismissed with costs. But this decree is to be without prejudice to the right of the appellee, in the event of surviving Mrs. Beersheba Poythress, to institute a new suit for the recovery of the same legacy, &c. = Source (for above): Reports of Cases Decided in the Special Court of Appeals of Virginia, January, 1855 Term, pp. 197-200. = Maynard Poythress's whimsy [of Nov 2008]: Funky punctuation above transcribed as rendered. I suppose this is exhibit A on why not to write a complicated will. Also, it appears to be a case somewhat brought under the old saw that attorneys will continue to represent an angry plaintiff for just as long as he can pay the lawyer fees regardless of the merits of his case. It's easy to see in retrospect but this one should never have gone to court in the first place. The Charles City court "splits the baby" and the appeals court throws the bill out on two pieces of logic that seem self-evident. Beersheba Poythress died between May 1849 and May 1850. I suppose the appeals court is required to "time-warp" themselves and hear the case in the 1855 session as if the issues still existed as they did at the time of the orginal 1847 decision. Still, the 1855 issue became moot in the "real time" death of Beersheba Poythress; so why did they even go forward with a costly appeal? I guess there must have been some reason, perhaps an angry plaintiff unsatisfied with what the circuit court had given him. | 05/27/11 4:06:49 |
| [POYTHRESS] Thomas E. Poythress | John M. Poythress | April issue of VGS newsletter arrived today. Pages 12 and 13 tout the reprint of 2 volumes of "Virginia Reports", J. R. Patton & Heath (1815-1857) as annotated under the supervision of Thomas Johnson Michie. It's a cinch a print copy is at the LVA. One of many "teaser" type mentions is "Other research jewels include the text of Thomas E. Poythress' will recorded in Charles City County in 1847." I would make this man pretty sure to be Batte 211 22 and I have: 22 Mar 1847 Date of will of Thomas E. Poythress 22 Mar 1847, probated 15 Apr 1847 (Charles City County, Will Book 5, p. 35). 25 Mar 1847 Thomas E. Poythress (c. 1802-1847); Westover Parish Register: buried at Kittewan, resided at "The Glebe." Leavell's Register: buried 25 Mar 1847, "died of intemperance", resided at "The Glebe." However, I don't think we have the will itself unless one of you all has it. If it's in anybody's records would you please post the text. And, if no one has it, may we prevail on the next visitor to the LVA to copy the transcription for us? Many thanks, Maynard | 05/27/11 12:53:17 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Thomas E. Poythress | Barbara Neal | Maynard (and all), the easiest way to find that email you posted to the list in Nov 2008, is to go to the CHRONOLOGICAL search area for our Poythress-L Archives (to avoid sifting thru a blue gazillion posts about Thomas or Eppes), at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POYTHRESS There, scroll down to the month of Nov 2008, when there were only 7 messages posted. Click on that month, and yours re "Will of Thomas Eppes Poythress" is the 2nd email of that month, on 14 Nov. My message, responding, but changing the caption to "Info re another Chancery Case and the Will of Thomas Eppes Poythress" is immediately after it. While the "keyword" search of our archives is handy for many things, searching on "Thomas" or "Eppes" is NOT so handy there. For less-frequent keywords, the place to search our Archives by keyword is at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop&path=POYTHRESS On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 2:17 PM, John M. Poythress > Barbara....bless you. I guess my senility is taking over.....can't even > find what I > previously posted. aargh... | 05/29/11 9:43:10 |
| [POYTHRESS] Thomas E. Poythress | John M. Poythress | Barbara....bless you. I guess my senility is taking over.....can't even find what I previously posted. aargh. All the same, since the notes are somewhat convoluted, having the original would be nice and I'll still ask if someone's in the LVA and has a few minutes to photocopy it. Maynard | 05/29/11 10:17:05 |
| [POYTHRESS] Neat site | John M. Poythress | >From this month's VGS bulletin: "The Southern Campaign of the American Revolution (http://southerncampaign.org/pen/) is posting searchable transcriptions of rosters and pension applications filed by veterans of the Southern Campaign of the Revolution, their widows, and descendants. Such veterans have been defined as anyone who was living in Virginia, North or South Carolina, or Georgia at the time they rendered any service during the Revolution regardless of where such services were rendered; and veterans from any State who rendered service in any of the four Southern States at any time during the Revolution". I checked the site out and it is indeed a nice resource (albeit no Poythresses yet registered). True, to some extent it duplicates information available in Footnote.com and others. However, the precise transcriptions are most interesting to read and, in some instances, may provide details missed in some of the other formats. The "SCAR" is a loose and voluntary organization accepting submissions for their 11,000+ database population. There are no dues nor even a formal membership as such. They will simply put you on their mailing list for their unscheduled newsletters. My impression is that the heavy lifting is primarily done by one Mr. Will Graves who seems to be librarian and general factotum. Mr. Graves is a cordial and helpful gentlemen. Maynard | 05/29/11 10:40:53 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] a long time ago (ca. 2000) message about Suit P. v. Harrison | Barbara Neal | I don't recall ever hearing of anyone with the surname of "Suit" so I cannot help about that. Since B Treon's query mentioned having seen some message about "Suit P v. Harrison" I just now did a search on that terminology, at the Poythress List Message Archives. Indeed 2 items popped up, due to Maynard having captioned a message that way on 16 Dec 2000 (shortening the Poythress surname with just a "P" in his message caption), and due to Lou having responded to it within hours. Both messages are referring to a lawsuit (not a person surnamed Suit). The initial part of Maynard's 16 Dec 2000 message text makes the lawsuit being referenced clear: [The book, titled] "Another Secret Diary of William Byrd", as you have previously mentioned, cites in a footnote on p. 176: 'In Charles City, July 1741, there was a suit by Robert Poythress and Robert and Thomas Poythress executors of Joshua Poythress vs. Benjamin Harrison (Va. Mag., XXIII, 32; etc.'). The reference is incorrectly cited by the Byrd authors or it is a misprint. It is volume XXXIII, not XXIII." | 07/31/11 3:03:35 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] a long time ago (ca. 2000) message about Suit P. v. Harrison | Thank you for clarifying that message. I am researching a man named Pleasant SUIT who is connected to Poythress via his daughter's marriage to Atkinson. But this family is also connected to Harrison-- so I had to inquire. Thanks. B. Treon | 07/31/11 5:54:09 | |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] a long time ago (ca. 2000) message about Suit P. v. Harrison | RE: old list message--*a long time ago (ca. 2000) message about Suit P. v. Harrison I found 2 messages in your list archives about Suit P. v. Harrison. I am very interested in this. Does it say "Suit" because it was a lawsuit--or does it say this due to a man named Pleasant SUIT who is connected to your family. I don't know much about this man but he wrote some books on slavery from what I've seen online. He married a Catherine Lemoine and his daughter, Virginia R. Suit married a Robert Atkinson whose mother was Agnes Poythress--so eh is indirectly connected. But his name was Pleasant Suit or Pleasants Suit and sometimes it is even seen as SUITS. I am sure he is related to Benjamin SUIT of ST. Mry's Co MD who d. 1810 and whose widow, Milley went to Dinwiddie Co VA in 1810 (per federal census.) Just not sure "how." Two men named Augustin Suit and Johsnon Suit ware in the WAr of 1812 there so I assume they were Benjamin's children that perhaps his widow, Milley went to Dinwiddie to tell of their father's passing in 1810. This SUIT family DOES connect to the HARRISON family in several different ways over the years-- so I am curious. Can someone on this list please tell me more about this lawsuit. I need to find out who Pleasant Suit was. Thanks. B. Treon | 07/31/11 8:08:29 | |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Mocavo.com | Hey Maynard, It's been sometime since we've corresponded. I was wondering what you might know...or if you could put me in touch with someone who knows...anything about John Bland....son of Richard Bland and Susan Poythress. I stumbled across a book on Google Books that states his brother Dr. Theodorick Bland was the last of the Blands to own Jordan's Point....but that John Bland owned a plantation called "Fountains". I have a Littleberry Epes Stainback that was born in 1781 at "Fountains". We know his parents are Francis Stainback and Pamela Ann...possibly Epes. >From the Quesnel Suit involving the Woodlief Family and Sion Hill...Francis Stainback gave a deposition stating that he was an oversee at Sion Hill under John Woodlief...and then Thomas Woodlief until discharged. According to the bible of Littleberry Epes Stainback, he states that the first to be interred at "Fountains" was that of his half brother, Edmund Stainback, whose mother was long ago buried at Nancy point. The next was that of my father (Francis Stainback), and my mother was buried to the south of my father...."...or something along those lines....I don't have my notes handy. Do you think it possible that by 1781, Francis Stainback was an overseer at John Bland's plantation "Fountains" after his discharge from Woodlief???. This is the only reference I've been able to find on "Fountains" in Prince George County. Or do you think it's possible that Francis Stainback bought this property by 1781??? Any help you can provide would be great.... Thanks, Charlie Rathbun | 08/03/11 6:40:30 | |
| [POYTHRESS] John Bland son of Richard & Susan Poythress Bland | I sent this out while responding to an old email with the wrong subject line. Please disregard the old email subject "Mocavo". Thanks.... Charlie Rathbun Hey Maynard, It's been sometime since we've corresponded. I was wondering what you might know...or if you could put me in touch with someone who knows...anything about John Bland....son of Richard Bland and Susan Poythress. I stumbled across a book on Google Books that states his brother Dr. Theodorick Bland was the last of the Blands to own Jordan's Point....but that John Bland owned a plantation called "Fountains". I have a Littleberry Epes Stainback that was born in 1781 at "Fountains". We know his parents are Francis Stainback and Pamela Ann...possibly Epes. >From the Quesnel Suit involving the Woodlief Family and Sion Hill...Francis Stainback gave a deposition stating that he was an overseer at Sion Hill under John Woodlief...and then Thomas Woodlief until discharged. According to the bible of Littleberry Epes Stainback, he states that the first to be interred at "Fountains" was that of his half brother, Edmund Stainback, whose mother was long ago buried at Nance point. The next was that of my father (Francis Stainback), and my mother was buried to the south of my father...."...or something along those lines....I don't have my notes handy. Do you think it possible that by 1781, Francis Stainback was an overseer at John Bland's plantation "Fountains" after his discharge from Woodlief???. This is the only reference I've been able to find on "Fountains" in Prince George County. Or do you think it's possible that Francis Stainback bought this property by 1781??? He is listed starting in 1782 Prince George County Personal Property Tax list with 1 white male over 21, 4 tithables, 8 negroes, 5 horses, and 17 cattle. Would he have this kind of personal property if he were an overseer on another's plantation??? Any help you can provide would be great.... Thanks, Charlie Rathbun Jasper, GA | 08/03/11 8:10:57 | |
| [POYTHRESS] obit Jan 1987 for Dr William H Poytress, economics prof, San Jose State | Barbara Neal | In google results on a different person today, I stumbled across a blog by "The Road Genealogist" with a 21 January 2011 entry that gave his transcription of a January 1987 obituary for Dr. William Poythress from the San Jose Mercury News: = William H. POYTRESS Obituary Thursday 28 January 1987 San Jose Mercury News, p. 7B "William Poytress, Former SJS Prof William H. Poytress, 95, a professor at San Jose State for 40 years who headed the social science department in the 1940s and 1950s, died Monday at a San Jose convalescent hospital after a brief illness. An economics professor, he retired form the faculty in 1963. He came to San Jose from San Mateo, where he had taught at San Mateo Junior College. He was born in Birmingham, England, and came to America in 1905 with his parents. They settled in the Fresno area and farmed. Highly regarded as a political scientist, Prof. Poytress was often called upon by business people and others to speak on current events. He would, during the four decades he taught at San Jose State, speak out on controversial issues at the drop of a hat. Many of his public remarks were reported in the newspapers. For example, on the evening of Feb. 18, 1941, Dr Poytress was called upon to address a Junior Chamber of Commerce "Americanism Banquet" in Hollister, at which he declared, "Let's be realistic. We are in a war now." He was to prove prophetic. Ten months later the United States was, indeed, in war with Japan, Italy, and Germany. Dr. Poytress held degrees from the University of California and did his post-graduate work at Stanford University. A scholar, he had studied Latin for 13 years and Greek for five years. He is credited with estabishing SJS's public relations curriculum in 1948. Dr. Poytress was well-liked by SJS students, and in 1966, three years after he had retired, he was named the San Jose State College's homecoming grand marshal by the SJS student body. On homecoming day he led the parade through downtown San Jose and presided over half-time activities in the football clash between Idaho and State. He was a member of scores of professional organizations during his tenure, but was also proud of being a leader of the Villages Garden Club. He became an avid gardner upon retirement, at one time expressing a fondness for the shovel, a tool he often used during the days he grew up on a ranch near Fresno. "I never pull weeds," he reported in a 1978 interview published in the Mercury News. "I shovel them out. None of this bending." He is survived by his wife, Maude Horn Poytress of San Jose, a son, Dr. Richard W. Poytress, a Los Gatos anesthesiologist; nine grandchildren; and four great-grandchildren. Funeral arrangements were handled by the Neptune Society of San Jose. Memorial services are pending. | 08/09/11 12:04:46 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] obit Jan 1987 for Dr William H Poytress, economics prof, San Jose State | John M. Poythress | Barb....thanks for passing this one on. I guess the migration in 1905 accounts for the English version of the spelling which I thought was interested. He sounds like a guy one would want to at least share a lunch with and I'm sure he'll be missed. Maynard | 08/10/11 9:36:17 |
| [POYTHRESS] Frank Clayton Poythress 1961-2006 RIP | Barbara Neal | I stumbled across this vet's listing at the US Veterans Administration Gravesite Locator site, and then read his July 2006 obit at Chattanoogan.com (copied below). I don't recognize the names of his parents, who predeceased him. If anyone happens to know to which Poythress family line this serviceman and his father belonged, I would welcome learning that. My sympathy to his family, with thanks for his service to our nation: FRANK CLAYTON POYTHRESS, SSGT - US AIR FORCE, PERSIAN GULF, born 26 Jun 1961, d.6 Jul 2006, BURIED AT SECTION W SITE 859-AA, of CHATTANOOGA NATIONAL CEMETERY, 1200 BAILEY AVENUE CHATTANOOGA, TN 37404 >From Chattanoogan.com, where it was posted 7 July 2006: Poythress, Frank Clayton Frank Clayton Poythress, 45, of East Ridge, died on Thursday, July 6, 2006 at his residence. A lifelong resident of Chattanooga, he was a 1979 graduate of East Ridge High School and received a Business degree from Texas Lutheran College. Clayton served in the U.S. Air Force during Operation Desert Storm and Desert Shield. He was preceded in death by his parents, Frank and Reba Poythress. He is survived by his two children, Dennis Cameron and Taylor Mitchell Poythress, both of Nashville; brothers, Michael Poythress, East Ridge, and Roger Poythress, Cape Girardeau, MO; several nieces and nephews. Funeral services will be held Wednesday at 11:30 a.m. in the South Crest Chapel with interment to follow in the Chattanooga National Cemetery. Visit www.lane-southcrestchapel.com to send condolences. | 08/12/11 10:43:07 |
| [POYTHRESS] Obit Daisy (Pernell) Poythress d.26 Aug 2011 | Barbara Neal | As seen today at Legacy.com, where it shows as having been published in The [Raleigh, NC] News & Observer today: "Daisy P. Poythress, 81, Henderson, died 08-26-2011. Arrangements: Flowers Funeral Home, Henderson." Perhaps a longer obit may be published for her in The [Henderson, NC] Daily Dispatch, which published the obit of her husband Leon Douglas Poythress who died in June 2005; Leon was one of the siblings of our former List-member, Claude Raymond Poythress (deceased). Leon's obit is re-copied below. Our sympathy to the family. Barbara = As I posted to our Poythress-List on 28 Jan 2006: Subj: Obit - Leon D Poythress d. 18 Jun 2005 NC Following the recent death of C. Raymond Poythress, Sr (see separate message today regarding him), I learned from our List-subscriber Sarah that Raymond's brother Leon died just 7 months earlier. Raymond had told me when he and I last talked about various health issues that run in some families, that Leon had Alzheimer's disease. Leon (and Raymond) were grandsons of Joshua E. Poythress & Bettie Wester, and great-grandsons of John Lewis Poythress & Tabitha Ann Nunn. His obituary was in the Henderson, NC newspaper, "The Daily Dispatch" on 21 June 2005: "Leon D. Poythress HENDERSON - Leon Douglas Poythress, 78, of 236 Orville St., Henderson, N.C., died Saturday, June 18, 2005, at Maria Parham Medical Center. Born in Franklin County, he was the son of the late John William and Mylae Young Poythress. Mr. Poythress was retired after 25 years with George W. Kane Inc., and was owner and operator of Leon D. Poythress Inc. He was a United States Navy Veteran of the Korean Conflict. He was a member of Westwood Pentecostal Holiness Church. Funeral services will be held at 11 a.m. today at Flowers Funeral Chapel, conducted by the Rev. Cecil Coates, the Rev. Frank Sossamon, and Dr. Marion D. Poythress. Burial will follow in Sunset Gardens. Surviving are his wife, Daisy Pernell Poythress; a daughter, Kim P. Edwards, and husband Johnny, of Henderson; two sons, Dr. Marion D. Poythress, and wife Elaine, of Granite Falls, N.C., and Randy L. Poythress, of Henderson; a sister, Edna P. Pernell, of Warrenton, N.C.; a brother, Raymond C. Poythress, of Zebulon, N.C.; seven grandchildren, Tabitha Poythress, Joshua Poythress, Zachery Poythress, Isaac Poythress, Amber Edwards, Jasmine Edwards, and Caleb Poythress; and five great-grandchildren. He was preceded in death by two sisters, Elizabeth P. Ayscue and Gladys P. Beasley; and two brothers, Fred Poythress and Forest Poythress. The family received friends Monday, from 7 until 8:30 p.m., at Flowers Funeral Home. All other times, they will be at the home, 236 Orville Street, Henderson. Serving as active pallbearers will be Thomas Summerow, Carl Pernell, Raeford Pernell, Kenny Pernell, Larry Pernell, Ricky Pernell, Ronnie Pernell, Julian Pernell and Henry Pernell. Flowers Funeral Home is in charge of the funeral arrangements." | 08/27/11 9:26:05 |
| [POYTHRESS] Lilly Morris Poythress, RIP | Barbara Neal | The below obit was seen at Legacy.com, as published in the Savannah Morning News on Sunday September 18, 2011. (fyi, Richmond Hill is located just south of Savannah, just off I-95.) Lilly Morris Poythress Mrs. Lilly Morris Poythress - RICHMOND HILL - Mrs. Lilly Morris Poythress, 79, passed away on Friday, September 16, 2011 at her home. Mrs. Lilly was born in Savannah to the late George C. Morris and Adelaide C. Morris. She was a former resident of Rincon and was a member of the Rincon United Methodist Church and the U.D.C. She was formerly employed with Griffin Marine Supply. Survivors include her husband, John M. "Pappy" Poythress of Richmond Hill; daughter, Cherie Todd Becker of Richmond Hill; grandchildren, Trever Todd and Michelle Todd; sisters, Eleanor M. Stringer of Aiken, SC and Evelyn M. Sikes of Atlanta and many nieces and nephews including a special nephew, Stephen Sikes and his wife Jenny and daughter Sijie of Wisconsin. Visitation: 1-2 p.m. on Sunday at the funeral home. Funeral: 2 p.m. Sunday in the chapel of the funeral home with burial to follow at Bonaventure Cemetery. Friends may sign the online register book at www.stricklandandsonsfuneralhome.com Thomas C. Strickland & Sons Funeral Homes West Chatham Chapel Pooler, GA 31322 912-748-2444 Savannah Morning News September 18, 2011 Please sign our Obituary Guest Book at savannahnow.com/obituaries . | 09/18/11 7:04:01 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] (no subject) | Jerry Poythress | Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you also. Hope your 2012 is a wonderfull year for you and your family. Jerry&Cindy Poythress | 12/14/11 1:23:57 |
| [POYTHRESS] (no subject) | John M. Poythress | Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pUhWS2ckz4 | 12/14/11 2:25:56 |
| [POYTHRESS] Funeral Tues 12/20 in Screven Chapel for Virginia Moore Sheffield Poythress | Barbara Neal | Our condolences to the family: Death in Sylvania, Georgia, as seen at Legacy.com and as published in the Savannah Morning News on Monday 19 Dec 2011: Virginia Poythress - SYLVANIA [Georgia] - Mrs. Virginia Moore Sheffield Poythress, 88, passed away Sunday. Survivors: sons, Gene and Maxine L. Sheffield and Don Sheffield; daughter, Barbara S. and Al Hinson; and other relatives. Visitation: 6-8pm Monday at Joiner Anderson Funeral Home Screven Chapel. Funeral: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 at 11:00am in the Screven Chapel of Joiner Anderson Funeral Home. Joiner Anderson Funeral Home Screven Chapel Savannah Morning News December 19, 2011 I note that we know her late Poythress husband, Troy William Poythress, from his obit (copied below) of 9 years ago, which was posted to our List (thus it is in our Poythress List archives online) on 27 Oct 2002 by Debbie Poythress-Concepcion. He was son of Gazzie Poythress and Minnie Louise Seckinger. >From the Savannah Morning News; October 18, 2002: Sylvania - Troy William Poythress, 89, died October 17 at Syl-View Health Care. He was a retired farmer, member and deacon at Farmdale Baptist Church, and member of Ogeechee Hunting Club. Survivors: wife, Virginia Ann Moore Poythress of Sylvania; stepdaughter and son-in-law, Barbara and Al Hinson of Rincon; two stepsons and daughter-in-law, Gene and Maxine Sheffield of Sylvania and Don Sheffield of Newington; sister, Louise P. Lee of Sylvania; seven step-grandchildren; eight step-great-grandchildren; and several nieces and nephews. Funeral: 4:00 p.m. Friday at Thompson-Strickland-Waters Funeral Home Chapel, with Rev. Vernon Edenfield officiating. Burial: Screven County Memorial Cemetery. Thompson-Strickland-Waters. | 12/19/11 3:31:35 |
| [POYTHRESS] Death of 48-yr old Robert J Poythress of Rocky Mount, NC on Christmas | Barbara Neal | Our sympathy to his family & friends. If anyone can please clarify which family line this fellow was in, I'd appreciate knowing. Barbara As seen at Legacy.com on 26 Dec 2011, and as published in The News & Observer on December 26, 2011: Robert J. Poythress Robert J. Poythress, 48, Rocky Mount, died 12-25-2011. Arrangements: Wheeler & Woodlief F.H., Rocky Mount [North Carolina] | 12/26/11 3:15:19 |
| [POYTHRESS] More info re Robert Joseph Poythress who died on Christmas at age 48 | Barbara Neal | Our sympathy to the family, which includes his father, 2 siblings, a daughter & a son, as well as his wife. fyi, at the website of the funeral home handling arrangements (Wheeler & Woodlief Funeral Home in Rocky Mount, NC) http://www.wheeler-woodlief.com a photo of Robert Joseph Poythress has been posted, along with a photo of him and some Guest Book tributes to him. "Obituary for Robert Joseph Poythress "Rocky Mount – Robert Joseph Poythress, 48, passed away, December 25, 2011, after a long and courageous battle with cancer. Mr. Poythress was born in Rocky Mount, NC, February 27, 1963, son of John Young Poythress and the late Betty Duvall Poythress. "Robert loved to hunt and fish, also enjoyed spending time in the mountains of North Carolina with his extended family. "He leaves behind his wife, Melisa Vernon Poythress and daughter Brooke Nicole Poythress of the home; son, Michael L. Farmer of Greenville, NC; father, Johnny Poythress of Rocky Mount; brother, Billy Poythress and wife Diane of Rocky Mount; sister, Teresa Dorsey and husband Billy of Moyock, NC. "The family will receive family and friends from 7:00 – 8:30 pm Tuesday, December 27, 2011 at Wheeler Woodlief Funeral Home. A graveside service will be held 2:00 PM Wednesday, December 28, 2011 at Rocky Mount Memorial Park with Rev. David Proctor officiating. "On line condolences may be sent to the Poythress family by visiting www.wheelerwoodlief.com" | 01/01/12 4:08:15 |
| [POYTHRESS] Sad news re Maynard, one of our List members - text version | Barbara Neal | Dear all, Most of you know Maynard from his many postings to our Poythress-list ever since its beginning in the mid-1990s, and from items he has contributed to our Poythress-research website at Poythress.net. He has been a dearly-appreciated Poythress researcher for at least 20 years that I personally know of. Earlier this week, I learned from Maynard's daughter that last week he was suffering from what was assumed to be a serious bout of intestinal flu. On Saturday when he could not maintain hydration even with fluids designed for that, he was taken to the Emergency Room. By the time she and I talked Tuesday night, the sad update was that Maynard was in kidney failure with sepsis [Note: from the website for the National Institutes for Health, I learned that "Sepsis is a severe illness in which the bloodstream is overwhelmed by bacteria. Symptoms: In sepsis, blood pressure drops, resulting in shock. Major organs and body systems, including the kidneys, liver, lungs, and central nervous system, stop working properly"] She let me know on Weds, as I was on the way to the airport, that Maynard died earlier that morning and that blessedly he did not linger in pain. She wanted me to let y'all know when details regarding his service became available. That info is now available, and is copied below from Legacy.com as published in The Courier-Journal [Louisville, KY]. His obit will be published all weekend, Jan 13th-15th. My husband and I will sorely miss dear Maynard, who has been our good friend for 20 years. Maynard's family may likely be checking our messages in case y'all want to post to our Poythress-list your remembrances about him, so I encourage any of you to do so. And in case any of you wish to go back to our archived messages and search on any name (such as "Maynard"), or any other search term, you can do that at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop&path=POYTHRESS For example, I just did a search on vkratliff in the "From" search field, since he used that as part of his email address for a while. It quickly came up with 69 messages. Alternatively, if you wish to look at archived messages chronologically by month & year, the messages beginning in March 1997 include messages Maynard posted to our List. To see messages chronologically, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POYTHRESS There is a photo of Maynard included with his obit at Legacy.com, as published in The Courier-Journal [Louisville, KY] January 13, 2012: John Maynard Poythress POYTHRESS, JOHN MAYNARD, 77, passed away in Louisville on January 11, 2012. Born in Macon, GA, Maynard was a graduate of Mercer University with a degree in English literature. After a short stint as a stock broker, Maynard began working in the customer service section of Inland Container in August 1960. He became a salesman in the company and was promoted to the position of sales manager for the company's Dallas, TX plant in 1968. In 1970 Maynard was named the general manager of the Inland plant in Louisville, a position that he held until his retirement on December 31, 1996. During his 26-year tenure, along with operating one of the most profitable plants in the country, Maynard mentored a number of people who went on to very successful careers and lives thanks to his guidance and leadership. Always the Southern gentleman, Maynard enjoyed fly-fishing, canoeing, and genealogical research, including tracing his family history to 12th century Scotland. He was preceded in death by his parents, John Maynor and Dorothy Bayne Poythress. He is survived by his wife of 54 years, Jean Knott Poythress; children, Leigh Poythress Wilson and John Maynard Poythress III; grandchildren, Jason Wilson, John Wilson, Dalton Poythress and Laine Poythress; his brother, David Bryan Poythress; sister, Eva Bayne Poythress; and nephew, Cullen Gray Poythress. A memorial service will be held at 2 p.m. Sunday at Pearson's Funeral Home, 149 Breckenridge Lane, Louisville with visitation from 12:30 p.m. until the service. Gifts in memoriam should be sent to the Society for the Prevention of Aggression and Violence in Adolescents, P. O. Box 22067, Louisville, KY 40252. [logo of Pearson's Funeral Home (502) 896-0349] | 01/13/12 2:25:38 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Sad news re Maynard, one of our List members - text version | So, so sorry to hear this. Maynard was one of the first people that responded to a post I put on the Poythress list. He answered many new comer questions for me and gave me much needed help. When I first joined the list he sent me many many Poythress files and all of his insight on our family tree. I always enjoyed his messages and theories. He will surely be missed by many. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family. | 01/13/12 5:08:52 | |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Sad news re Maynard, one of our List members - text version | Crystal Rose | My deepest condolences to Maynard's family. I am saddened by the news but I am sure that if heaven has a genealogy room, Maynard is there digging up some history. The Poythress family research will never be the same without Maynard. Many Prayers and Sympathies Crystal | 01/13/12 5:13:00 |
| [POYTHRESS] Sad news re Maynard, one of our List members | Barbara Neal | Dear all, Most of you know Maynard, from his many postings to our Poythress-list ever since its beginning in the mid-1990s, and from items he has contributed to our Poythress-research website at Poythress.net. He has been a dearly-appreciated Poythress researcher for at least 20 years that I personally know of. Earlier this week, I learned from Maynard's daughter that last week he was suffering from what was assumed to be a serious bout of intestinal flu. On Saturday when he could not maintain hydration even with fluids designed for that, he was taken to the Emergency Room. By the time she and I talked Tuesday night, the sad update was that Maynard was in kidney failure with sepsis [Note: from the website for the National Institutes for Health, www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov I learned that "Sepsis is a severe illness in which the bloodstream is overwhelmed by bacteria. Symptoms: In sepsis, blood pressure drops, resulting in shock. Major organs and body systems, including the kidneys, liver, lungs, and central nervous system, stop working properly"] She let me know on Weds, as I was on the way to the airport, that Maynard died earlier that morning and that blessedly he did not linger in pain. She wanted me to let y'all know when details regarding his service became available. That info is now available, and is copied below from Legacy.com as published in The Courier-Journal [Louisville, KY]. His obit will be published all weekend, Jan 13th-15th. My husband and I will sorely miss dear Maynard, who has been our good friend for 20 years. Maynard's family may likely be checking our messages in case y'all want to post to our Poythress-list your remembrances about him, so I encourage any of you to do so. And in case any of you wish to go back to our archived messages and search on any name (such as "Maynard"), or any other search term, you can do that at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop&path=POYTHRESS For example, I just did a search on vkratliff in the "From" search field, since he used that as part of his email address for a while. It quickly came up with 69 messages. Alternatively, if you wish to look at archived messages chronologically by month & year, the messages beginning in March 1997 include messages Maynard posted to our List. To see messages chronologically, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POYTHRESS As copied today from Legacy.com, as published in The Courier-Journal [Louisville, KY] January 13, 2012: John Maynard Poythress POYTHRESS, JOHN MAYNARD, 77, passed away in Louisville on January 11, 2012. Born in Macon, GA, Maynard was a graduate of Mercer University with a degree in English literature. After a short stint as a stock broker, Maynard began working in the customer service section of Inland Container in August 1960. He became a salesman in the company and was promoted to the position of sales manager for the company's Dallas, TX plant in 1968. In 1970 Maynard was named the general manager of the Inland plant in Louisville, a position that he held until his retirement on December 31, 1996. During his 26-year tenure, along with operating one of the most profitable plants in the country, Maynard mentored a number of people who went on to very successful careers and lives thanks to his guidance and leadership. Always the Southern gentleman, Maynard enjoyed fly-fishing, canoeing, and genealogical research, including tracing his family history to 12th century Scotland. He was preceded in death by his parents, John Maynor and Dorothy Bayne Poythress. He is survived by his wife of 54 years, Jean Knott Poythress; children, Leigh Poythress Wilson and John Maynard Poythress III; grandchildren, Jason Wilson, John Wilson, Dalton Poythress and Laine Poythress; his brother, David Bryan Poythress; sister, Eva Bayne Poythress; and nephew, Cullen Gray Poythress. A memorial service will be held at 2 p.m. Sunday at Pearson's Funeral Home, 149 Breckenridge Lane, Louisville with visitation from 12:30 p.m. until the service. Gifts in memoriam should be sent to the Society for the Prevention of Aggression and Violence in Adolescents, P. O. Box 22067, Louisville, KY 40252. [logo of Pearson's Funeral Home (502) 896-0349] | 01/13/12 10:36:18 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Sad news re Maynard, one of our List members - text version | stevew602 | I remember Maynard patiently answering my many, many questions, sometimes two or three times. What a guy. Steve | 01/14/12 8:20:32 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Sad news re Maynard, one of our List members | I agree. We have truly lost a wonderful researcher. He was such a kind, helpful, and patient person. I am so very sad. My heart goes out to his family. Elaine Poythress Criddle Poythress List, Family and Friends, This is truly sad news. Thank you Barbara for such a kind notice. We've lost a eal treasure with Maynard's untimely passing. Maynard shared his work and his spirit freely and enthusiastically. He, as much s anyone, is the reason we created the Poythress list. As some may realize, aynard's email moniker, V.K.Ratliff, was an homage to William Faulkner's worthy haracter in his Hamlet. Over the years, Maynard posted more than 1,000 messages to the public Poythress orum and countless private messages to individual researchers. His generosity, oundless sense of humor and intelligence enriched us all. All you need do is go to the search page Barbara mentions and enter kratliff@aol.com to relive much of what he contributed to the public discourse. is email address migrated to vkratliff@insightbb.com in later years. He ollected so many artifacts and documents over the years from which we all enefitted. I do hope his work will go to Barbara or others who'll see to it hat his efforts aren't lost. His last message to the list on December 14th was, characteristically, generous nd thoughtful -- "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year." My condolences to Maynard's family. Best, Al Tims | 01/15/12 8:53:39 | |
| [POYTHRESS] Maynard's work will go onward | Barbara Neal | Dear all, Al's email prompts me to let you all know that his daughter told me Tues night that, on Monday when he was having a good day before he died Weds morning, Maynard specifically directed her and her husband on how to get his genealogy material from his computer, and which things at home still needed to be scanned -- and he passed on the genealogy torch to her. She said she may well be seeking help and I assured her that help will be available -- we Poythress folk will ensure that. Barbara | 01/15/12 11:15:18 |
| [POYTHRESS] Obit - Sarah Carter Poythress, 90, died Feb 2012 | Barbara Neal | Sarah was a dear lady, wife of Ben Edward Poythress, Jr, who was a grandson of Algernon E Poythress, and a great-grandson of James Edward Poythress. My sympathy and condolences to her family. As seen at Legacy.com and published in The [Petersburg, VA] Progress-Index on February 12, 2012: Sarah C Poythress Sarah C. Poythress, 90, of Petersburg passed away on Feb. 10, 2012. She was a registered nurse for her entire working career. Sarah is survived by her son, Robert Poythress and his wife Mary; grandchildren, Sarah and Carter Poythress; three sisters and several nieces and nephews. A graveside service will be held at Southlawn Memorial Park on Tuesday, Feb. 14, 2012, at 10 am. In lieu of flowers contributions can be made to the Alzheimer's Association Greater Richmond (4600 Cox Rd Suite 130 Glen Allen, VA 23060). Arrangements through J.T. Morriss & Son Petersburg Chapel. Condolences may be sent to sss.jtmorriss.com | 02/19/12 10:39:47 |
| [POYTHRESS] Obituary for Alice M Poythress | nancy netter | I will be sending a series of obituaries and information on my branch of the Poythress family. Rather than send all this information at once I am going to break it up in several emails. I hope that it will make it easier to follow the information I have found. The following is the obituary for Alice M. Poythress Cable, my great grand mother. My grandmother France Lee Cable was 12 years old when her mother died. Just as a reminder, Alice was the daughter of George Alexander and Ella Mae Davis Poythress who lived in Lynchburg, VA from about 1876 to 1910. George was a musician and instructor. Greensboro Daily News, Sunday, March 5, 1922, page 6. Mrs. Cable is Dead After Brief Illness Wife of R. W. Cable Died Yesterday Afternoon at Local Hospital. Funeral Monday Afternoon. Mrs. Alice M. Cable, wife of R. W. Cable died yesterday afternoon at 2:15 o'clock at a local hospital, her death following an ilness of several days. Mrs. Cable was about 29 years of age and had a large number of friends in Greensboro who will regreat to learn of her death. She was a faithful member of Westminster Presbyterian church. She is survived by her husband; by eight children, Margorie, Lucile, Frances, Elizabeth, Nancy, Rupert, Mary and Leroy Cable; by her mother, Mrs. George A. Poythress of Roanoke, VA; by two brothers, Harry A. Poythress, of Richmaond, VA, and C. L. Poythress, San Antonio, Texas; by three sisters, Mrs. C. M. Boley, of Roanoke, VA, and Mrs. C. E. Jackson of Norkfolk, VA, and Mrs. James Kramp, of White Stone, N. Y. The funeral services will be held at the home in the new Latham development Monday afternoon at 3 o'clock. Rev. C. E. Hodgis will officiate and the interment will be in Green Hill cemetery. Transcribed by N. J. Netter | 02/29/12 10:56:39 |
| [POYTHRESS] Obituary for Harry A Poythress | nancy netter | The following is an obituary for Harry A Poythress, the son of George Alexander and Ella Mae Davis Poythress. I do know that Harry served in the US Army, however I have not been able to determine whether or not he was a solider in WWI or WWII. He may have served state side and not been involved in any front line action. So far, I have not found any marriage record for Harry. I do know that he lived in New York City and perhaps he was married and I have not found a record yet. Based on his obituary, it appears that he did not have any children. Richmond Times Dispatch 04 January 1949 page 10 col. 13 POYTHRESS – Entered into rest at 3:15 A.M. Monday Jan 3, 1949, at 2806 E Broad St., Harry A. Poythress aged 66 years. Surviving are three sisters, Mrs. Corine Jackon, Mrs. Clara Pateman, and Mrs. Hopkins. The remains rest at the Billups Funeral Home. Twenty-fifth and Marshall Sts., where services will be conducted Tuesday afternoon at 2 o’clock. Interment in Richmond National Cemetery. Transcribed by N J Netter | 02/29/12 11:04:19 |
| [POYTHRESS] Obituary for Clair Poythress Boley Pateman | nancy netter | The following is an obituary for Clair Poythress Boley Pateman. She is the daughter of George Alexander and Ella Mae Davis Poythress. I do know that she married a man with the surname of Boley and she had one daughter from that marriage, and her name is Mae or May Boley. She is listed as Mae Foreman in the obituary. The Virginian Pilot 03 July 1963 pg 14 col. 1 Deaths Mrs. Claire Pateman NORFOLK- Mrs. Claire Boley Pateman of 8528 Chesapeake Blvd., widow of Thomas Pateman and daughter of George A. and Mrs. Ella May Poythress, died Tuesday at noon in her home. A native of Lynchburg, she lived in Norfolk 40 years. She was a member of Bayview Congregational Christian Church and Three Score and Ten Club. She is survived by a daughter, Ms. Mae Foreman of Norfolk; two sisters, Mrs. C. F. Hopkins of Three Rivers, Mich., and Mrs. Corrine Jackson of Norfolk. A funeral service will be conducted in Hollomon-Brown Funeral Home today at 2 p.m. by the Rev. Charles F. Pegram of Bayview Congregational Christian Church. Burial will be in Forest Lawn Cemetery. Transcribed by N J Netter | 02/29/12 11:09:24 |
| [POYTHRESS] Obituary and death certificate for Ella Mae Davis Poythress | nancy netter | The following is the obituary and death certificate for Ella Mae Davis Poythress. She was the wife of George Alexander Poythress who lived in Lynchburg, VA. Norfolk Virginian Pilot 04 June 1936 page 18 col. 3 Mrs. Ella Mae Poythress, age 79, died at the residence of her daughter, Mrs. Thomas Pateman, 2613 Chesapeake street, Bay View, last night at 11:03 o’clock, after an illness of five years. She was a native of Logansville, Ohio, and had resided in Norfolk for eight years. She was the widow of Prof. George A. Poythress and former resident of Lynchburg. She was a member of Lafayette Presbyterian Church. Surviving are three daughters, Mrs. Pateman and Mrs. C. E. Janckson, of Norfolk, and Mrs. C. F. Hopkins of Chicago; one son H. A. Poythress of New York City; 17 grandchildren and six great-grandchildren. The body was removed to the funeral home of E. Lee Cox & Bro., 613 Westover avenue, pending completion of funeral arrangements. Transcribed by N J Netter Certificate of Death Commonwealth of Virginia County of Norfolk Address: 2613 Chesapeake St. Full Name: Mrs. Ella May Poythress Sex: Female Color or Race: White Single, Married, Widowed, or Divorced: Widow Husband: George A. Poythress Date of Death: June 3 1936 Date of Birth: June 18 1856 Birthplace: Logansville, Ohio Name of Father: D. K. Birthplace: D.K. Name of Mother: Lucille Baschere Place of Birth: France Informant: Mrs. Thomas Pateman 2613 Chesapeake St. Burial: Forest Lawn Cause of Death: Cerebral Hemorrhage Transcribe by N J Netter | 02/29/12 11:24:15 |
| [POYTHRESS] Today's 4 posted obits connected with Benjamin Poythress of Petersburg | Barbara Neal | Thanks so much, Nancy, for posting today the obits for the wife of George Alexander Poythress, whose maiden name was Ella Mae Davis, and for 3 of their children -- Alice M Poythress Cable; Harry A Poythress; and Clair Poythress Boley Pateman. To help more people be able to "place" this family, I'll mention that musician George Alexander Poythress was born in May 1849 in Petersburg, VA. His parents were Benjamin Poythress (b.1808 in Southampton Co, VA) and Benjamin's wife Susan Mary Williams (b.1825 in Petersburg, VA). Benjamin was listed by the Petersburg Census-takers in 1850 & 1860 as a huxter or huckster [salesman]. | 03/01/12 1:09:30 |
| [POYTHRESS] 3/30/12 obit Jill Sikes Poythress of Claxton, GA | Barbara Neal | Our sympathy to her family and friends. I'd appreciate knowing if anyone can fill me in, re which Poythress line her husband, Meyers Eugene Poythress of Claxton, Georgia, descends from. Thanks, Barbara = As seen morning of 30 March 2012 at Legacy.com, for SavannahNow.com: Published in Savannah [GA] Morning News on March 30, 2012 Jill Poythress Jill Sikes Poythress - CLAXTON - Jill Sikes Poythress, 61, passed away March 28, 2012. The Evans County [GA] native was of Baptist faith. She was preceded in death by her parents, George and Kathryn Sikes. Survivors: her husband, Meyers Eugene Poythress of Claxton; two sons, Michael James (Stephanie) Peterson of Savannah and Kevin (Lindsay) Poythress of Clyo; three daughters, Kathryn Hall of Glennville, Mary Ann (Steven) Poythress of Claxton and Kristal (Scott) Groover of Rincon; two brothers, Donald George Sikes and Gary Sikes of Claxton; one sister, Kitty Lewis of Townsville, SC; 14 grandchildren and several nieces and nephews. Family will receive friends at the home of Kitty and Shorty Lewis, 2283 Wilton Threate Road, Claxton. Memorial: 2pm Sunday, April 1, 2012 at Eason's Chapel. J. Mellie NeSmith Funeral Home Our Family Serving Your Family Since 1917 912-739-3338 Savannah Morning News March 30, 2012 Please sign our Obituary Guest Book at savannahnow/obituaries.com | 03/30/12 6:31:24 |
| [POYTHRESS] John Young Poythress died 17 Apr 2012 | Barbara Neal | My sympathy to the entire family: Seen at Legacy.com today, 19 Apr 2012, as published in The News & Observer on April 19, 2012 John Y Poythress John Y. Poythress, 71, Rocky Mount, died 04-17-2012. Arrangements: Wheeler and Woodlief, Rocky Mount. At the funeral home website, http://www.wheeler-woodlief.com/obituaries you can see his photo, along with a longer obituary. John was the father of Robert Joseph Poythress, who died last Christmas and whose obit (at the same funeral home website) was mentioned in my email of 1 Jan 2012. John's obit says he was the son of Forrest Young Poythress and Betty Elliott Poythress. Forrest was eldest brother of our former List subscriber, C.Raymond Poythress - so John was nephew of C Raymond. | 04/19/12 11:54:11 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re Mecklenburg Upper & Lower Districts from newer email address of Bpn | Barbara Neal | Hi David, with a copy to the Poythress List of subscribers, Your 4/25/12 question re my 2/12/07 posting about Mecklenburg County (copied below) went to my old email address that mainly just gets junk now, but I do periodically check it, so saw your below-copied email today. No one directly posted a response to my question in Feb '07, and not living there myself I cannot swear which way the river runs. However I can assure you that in Mecklenburg Co, VA the various taxing records for POYTHRESS people show up in the Lower District, and the locations in question were in the southern half of the state, not very far from the NC stateline. I definitely recognize the PACE name. It has cropped up in 140 emails during the 12 years of messages on our Poythress List, I see when searching for it in the "Body" of emails at our "Keyword Search" version of our Message Archives. You can do the search and see the linked messages at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search You'll likely find mention of your Poythress ancestor in one or more of the PACE messages. Alternatively, our Poythress List can be searched chronologically, at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POYTHRESS I'm preparing to leave on a trip within hours, so don't have time to browse thru the 140 linked messages myself, but it seems from my memory-banks that some of those who have posted on PACE are still current subscribers. (Our Poythress List, like many others I guess, has had low message-activity recently, but we still have dozens who subscribe.) I also looked very briefly at our Poythress.net website where thru the years Poythress research has been distilled (sometimes more up-to-date than at other times), and I did not see PACE in the Allied Family Studies section of it. Hopefully, perhaps you'll hear directly from one or more Poythress-Pace descendants who subscribe to our List, thanks to this email going to our Poythress List members. Good luck in your research, David. Barbara From: Family Puzzle Sent: Apr 25, 2012 4:16 PM Subject: Upper & lower districts of Mecklenburg Co? Hi BPN, I saw your post after searching myself for the same topic. Did you ever get a reply or find the answer? Also, that’s interesting about the name POYTHRESS. I think one of my gr-gr grandmothers had this name, on the Pace side around the time of Jamestown Colony. Does Pace from Jamestown or VA/possibly NC ring a bell on your Poythress side? Regards, David | 04/29/12 12:15:37 |
| [POYTHRESS] Death of George M Poythress on 1 June 2012 | Barbara Neal | I'm hoping that you, Sarah, can fill us in a bit further about this fellow and his entire family, who have our sympathy and condolences -- I think he is kin to your hubby? Barbara As seen at Legacy.com today, and published in The News & Observer on June 3, 2012: George M. Poythress George M. Poythress, 85, Henderson, died 06-01-2012. Arrangements: Flowers F.H., Henderson. | 06/05/12 11:25:44 |
| [POYTHRESS] Obit - Joseph G Poythress Sr of Lucama, NC died 14 Jun 2012 | Barbara Neal | Our sympathy to the family -- If anyone can advise re his Poythress ancestor, I would appreciate knowing. Barbara Joseph G. Poythress, Sr., 84, Lucama, died 06-14-2012. Arrangements: Shingleton F.H., Wilson. Published in The News & Observer on June 16, 2012 | 06/19/12 6:16:48 |
| [POYTHRESS] Obit - Barbara (nee McNeal) Poythress, Jacksonville, FL resident | Barbara Neal | I've been away for roughly a month, and have much to still catch up at home. Below is an obit I saw today, thanks to Legacy.com. It's a bit eerie seeing an obit for "Barbara Poythress." Our condolences to her family and friends. [From FamilySearch, I learned she was formerly the wife of Travis Ralph Poythress, of Jacksonville, FL, who is mentioned.] Those interested in seeing a photo of her, can go to Legacy.com; the obit from the funeral home (townandcountryfuneralhome.com) is also posted there thanks to Dignity memorials, and it has her photo. Barbara Neal Published in the Florida Times-Union on July 13, 2012 Barbara Poythress POYTHRESS Barbara Elaine Poythress, 66, passed away Wednesday, July 4, 2012. She was born on January 5, 1946 in Tallahassee, Florida. Barbara lived in Jacksonville, FL the majority of her life, and her greatest joy was her family. Barbara retired from Joyserv in 2000. An avid treasure hunter she spent some of her time finding bargains at Flea Markets and yard sales. Her major passion was caring for her loved ones including her four legged babies Missy and Nina. She loved being home and spending time with her family. She is preceded in death by her late parents, W. E. McNeal Mac, and Louise Blanche Rhoden McNeal; her brother, Charles R. Dyson; and her son, Travis Scott Poythress. Barbara is survived by her daughters, Denise Poythress, and Tammy Deann Poythress; sister, Melba J. Dixon; brothers, Larry McNeal and Curtis McNeal; grandchildren, Larry Hollas Anglin, Legacy , Timberlyn, Chance Terrell, and Caine Varnum; daughter-in-love Ronda Varnum; Travis Ralph Poythress Jr.; many nieces, nephews, cousins, and dear friends. Barbara's Memorial Funeral Service will be held on Sunday, 4:00pm, July 15, 2012, in the Chapel of Hardage-Giddens Town & Country Funeral Home, 7242 Normandy Blvd., Jacksonville, FL. 32205. The Memorial Funeral Service will conclude in the Chapel. Please Sign the Guestbook @ Jacksonville.com | 07/25/12 3:18:47 |
| [POYTHRESS] Doug Poythress | Debbie Poythress-Concepcion | Hello everyone, I have a question about a Doug Poythress. The information below is what was forwarded to me. Does anyone know this Doug Poythress and to which line he belongs to? I don't have any Mozleys' on my list, so I have no clue which line he belongs to. Thanks Debbie I assume his wife's name was Dorothy Mozley before she married him, Doug Poythress. I think my grandfather Jack Clarence Mozley was the youngest brother of Ethel and Dorothy, he had older brother who was a chief in Hollywood. I know his mother was full blood Cherokee and that he was born in the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma. I know he, Doug Poythress, was a chief petty officer Yeoman in the Navy in world war one. He, Doug Poythress, was a pretty big home builder and developer in Phoenix.Appreciate your responding and forwarding my limited information to folks doing the Arizona search. Thanks, Jack | 10/29/12 1:29:30 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Doug Poythress aka John Douglas Poythress (1903-1967) | Barbara Neal | Debbie, I'm in the midst of an intense project that I cannot drop at the moment, and it will require at least another day or two to finish. However I want to let you know that I saw your email & did a quick check on this fellow. I have a lot of info on John Douglas Poythress, his wife (Dorothy's surname in the records I've seen was spelled Mosley, not Mozley), a daughter of theirs who is deceased, his siblings, and their parents that I could later work on compiling. But first though, I will want to know who "Jack" is, and how he relates in all this. If you can get back to me, whether on-list or off-list, and fill me in re "Jack" and how I can reach him directly, then I will see about potentially next spending the time to compile it as soon as I'm free of this current intense project I'm in the middle of. Thanks, Barbara | 10/30/12 6:35:20 |
| [POYTHRESS] John Douglas Poythress (1903-1967), wife Dorothy, dtr Susan, & John Douglas Poythress' birth family | Barbara Neal | In searching earlier this year for some other Texas Poythress folk, I compiled the below info on this fellow and his parents, his 2 sisters, his wife, and their daughter. By putting all this info here, it (like all our Poythress-List emails) will get automatically archived and be available to others. I put the various sources at the bottom. One could not ask for a more informative obituary than the one for his daughter Susan, giving all of us a lot of info on the family. Barbara = John Henry Poythress was born in Louisiana (LA) per his household's entry in the 1900 and 1920 Censuses in Dallas County, TX (images available at FamilySearch.org; see transcriptions below). He was born on 19 Jan 1863 per his TX Death Certificate (image also available at FamilySearch.org; see below transcription). He married Minnie Brown, per his death certificate. They had 3 children: - daughter E.J., born 29 April 1891 in TX - daughter Mattisu or Matti-Sue, born 28 January 1894 in Dallas, Dallas Co, TX - son John Douglas Poythress, born 4 Dec 1903 in Dallas, Dallas Co, TX John Henry Poythress died 23 March 1922, soon after their daughter Mattisu (who was married) died 9 Aug 1921 (see her TX Death Certificate transcription below). John Douglas Poythress, per the 1940 Census (image available at FamilySearch.org; see transcription below) was married to Dorothy [Dorothy Ann Mosley, per their daughter's obit] He and Dorothy had only one child, Susan Poythress, who was quite a successful woman, and whose obit (says she was an only child. John Douglas Poythress died 17 Feb 1967 per his TX Death Certificate (image available at FamilySearch.org; see transcription below). Dorothy's death info from the Social Security Death Index shows she was born 12 Sep 1903, but died in Apr 1971 OBIT: Seen at Legacy.com, as published in The [Colorado Springs, CO] Gazette from January 23 to January 25, 2007 [obit photo is available at Legacy.com]: Susan "Jane" Poythress entered eternal life January 17, 2007, due to complications following a stroke. She was born on October 23, 1940, an only child, to Dorothy Ann Mosley Poythress and John Douglas Poythress at the Methodist Hospital in Dallas, Texas. After graduation from Highland Park High School in Dallas, she attended the University of Oklahoma and received her BA degree in geology with a minor in French. She also took courses at Southern Methodist University and later took graduate courses at Pennsylvania State University. Her career included working for the Department of the Interior at the Office of Geography in Washington, D.C., then at the Department of Geography at Penn State University. Later she joined IBM and became a Systems Engineer working with customers throughout the U.S. The need to care for her mother took her back to Dallas and she continued to work for IBM as an Administrative Assistant. In 1985 she transferred from the Dallas office of IBM to Colorado Springs along with her devoted workgroup. Her activities and offices included French Club, Gamma Theta Upsilon historian, Alpha Gamma Delta House President, Dean's list, Kappa Phi, Bible Study Fellowship, and orchestra. As a child she attended summer camp in Colorado, where she mastered riflery, swimming, and archery. In the summer of 1960, she was a camp counselor at Camp Ton-A-Wandah in Henderson, North Carolina. Retirement allowed her more time to pursue sewing and she became an avid quilter. She was also an accomplished musician, playing the piano, violin and flute. Susan loved football and always followed the OU team. She had season tickets to the Cowboys games while in Dallas, and loved them when they were tops. After moving to Colorado Springs she adopted the Denver Broncos. Susan loved riding in the Colorado mountains, with the car window down, breathing in cool, fresh air. Shrine Pass from Red Cliff to Vail was one of her favorites. Loyalty and generosity were her dearest and most treasured traits. She remained in close contact with, and cherished dearly her childhood and college friends, as well as neighbors, co-workers, church, and quilting buddies. Her faith remained strong through her cancer treatments and stroke. A Memorial Service celebrating Susan's life will be held Friday, January 26 at 11:00 a.m. at First Lutheran Church, 1515 North Cascade Avenue, Colorado Springs, CO 80907, phone (719) 632-8836. Susan has requested that any donations be made to the church in lieu of flowers. CEMETERY RECORDS: For the marker for John Douglas Poythress & Dorothy Ann Poythress (Susan's parents) FindAGrave has a photo of their mausoleum marker at Restland Memorial Park, Dallas, Dallas Co, TX, showing the husband and wife's names side by side, with only years of birth and death or burial below their names: Dorothy Ann Poythress 1903-1975 [sic; SSDI shows she was born 12 Sep 1903, but died in Apr 1971 -- so maybe a mistake on the marker, or perhaps Susan kept Mother's ashes until 1975, when they were added?] & John D Poythress 1904-1967. Photos of the Oakland Cemetery markers in Dallas, Dallas Co, TX, are at FindAGrave.com for - John Henry Poythress and both his daughters: - Mattisu Poythress wife of L.B.Lyon - E.J. Claywell -- She died 12 Sep 1956 in San Francisco, San Francisco Co, CA and her San Francisco funeral home record is included at her FindAGrave site, showing her as wife of Wm Roy Claywell & daughter of "Henry Poythress" and Minnie Brown. - NOTE: ALSO BURIED AT THIS CEMETERY, per her Death Certificate, but I saw no photo of a marker for her, is John Henry Poythress' wife, Minnie, died 22 Dec 1960 at age 97 of senility in Dallas, Dallas Co, TX per her Death Certificate (image available at FamilySearch.org; see transcription below). CENSUS RECORDS: 1900 Dallas, Dallas County, TX 1900 Census, Ward 9 of city of Dallas, Dallas Co, TX, Supv Distr 6, ED 118, sheet 12-B, enumerated 8 Jun 1900, Lines 92-95, address of 125 Allen, Dwelling 255, Family 277: - Poythress, John H, Head, White Male, b.Jan 1863, age 37, Married for 10 years, b.Louisiana, father b.Georgia, mo b.Alabama, Occupation "Salesman (Dry G[oods]), 0 months not employed, Yes reads, writes & speaks English, Owns, Mortgage, Home - , Minnie B, Wife, White Female, b.Feb 1863, age 37, Married for 10 years, 2 children born & 2 living, b.Texas, fa b.Missouri, mo b.Alabama, no occupation, Yes reads, writes & speaks English - , E.J, Daughter, White Female, b.Apr 1891, age 9, Single, b.Texas, fa b.Louisiana, mo b.Texas - , Matti-Sue, Daughter, White Female, b.Jan 1894, age 6, Single, b.Texas, fa b.Louisiana, mo b.Texas FHL Film 1241625 Image Number: 00578 Source Citation "United States Census, 1900," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M3LZ-T5R : accessed 12 April 2012), John H Poythress (Dallas city, Dallas, Texas). 1920 Dallas County, TX FHL film 1821792] Dallas Co, TX, J Precinct 1, Supv Disct 5, ED 29, Precinct 16 of Dallas City, Sheet 21-B enumerated 15 Jan 1920, Lines 94-97, address of 4826 Junius, Dwelling 413, Family 487: - Poythress, John H, Head, R[ents], Male, White, 56, Married, Yes able to read, Yes able to write, b.Louisiana, fa b.United States, mo b.United States, [fa & mo Mother Tongue was English, by ditto from above], Yes speaks English, Trade/profession Buyer, Dry Goods, Wage - , Minnie, Wife, Female, White, 56, Married, Yes able to read, Yes able to write, b.Texas, fa b.Kentucky, mo b.Alabama, [fa & mo Mother Tongue was English, by ditto from above], Yes speaks English, Trade/profession "none" - , Mattisu, Daughter, Female, White, 25, Single, Yes able to read, Yes able to write, b.Texas, fa b.Louisiana, mo b.Texas, [fa & mo Mother Tongue was English, by ditto from above], Yes speaks English, Trade/profession Teacher, Public School, Wage - . Douglas J, Son, Male, White, 16, Single, Yes attended school, Yes able to read, Yes able to write, b.Texas, fa b.Louisiana, mo b.Texas, [fa & mo Mother Tongue was English, by ditto from above], Yes speaks English, Trade/profession "none" Film Number: 1821792 Digital Folder Number: 4391970 Image Number: 00356 Sheet Number: 21 Source Citation: "United States Census, 1920," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MCM1-N9D : accessed 12 April 2012), John H Poythress (, Dallas, Texas). 1940 University Park, Dallas County, TX SD 5, ED 57-7F, University Park (City), Sheet 1B, enumerated 16 April 1940 by Mrs. Evelyn Marie Hickey, lines 62-63, at 3446 Pateman, hh #33 (in order of visitation), which address is Rented for $45/mo: - Poythress, J D, head, Male, White, 36, Married; no did not attend school since 1 March 1940; highest grade of school completed was c-4 [college 4 yrs]; b. Texas; on 1 April 1935 lived "same place" [same city, county, & state as currently]; No that was not on a farm; Yes this person was at work for pay the week of March 24-30; -, -, -, - ; 44 hours worked that week; -; occupation "manager" in industry of "wholesale heat & ventilatn Co," Pw [Paid a wage], 52 wks worked in 1939; $2,400 income in 1939; No did not receive income of $50 or more from source other than wage or salary in 1939 - , Dorothy [circled x mark indicates she was the person furnishing the info], wife, Female, White, 35, Married; no did not attend school since 1 March 1940; highest grade of school completed was c-2 [college 2 yrs]; b. Texas; on 1 April 1935 lived "same place" [same city, county, & state as currently]; No that was not on a farm; No this person was not at work for pay the week of March 24-30; no this person was not at work assigned to public emergency work [WPA, NYA, CCC, etc]; no this person was not seeking work; no this person does not have a job/ business, etc; H [home housework], - [blank for # hours worked week of March 24-30] , 0 wks worked in 1939; 0 income in 1939; No did not receive income of $50 or more from source other than wage or salary in 1939. DEATH CERTIFICATES, all transcribed from images at FamilySearch.org, from "Texas Deaths, 1890-1976" 1921 Death Certificate, Mattisu Poythress Lyon, Reg Dis # 21796 (stamped), Registered # 1275 (handwritten), in Dallas, Dallas Co, TX. Mattisu Poythress Lyon, resident of 4826 Junius, who had lived in the city for 27 years. The form lists her as a married white female, born 28 Jan 1894, age 27 years, 6 mo, 11 days, whose occupation was Housewife. Her birthplace was Dallas, Tex; name of father J.H.Poythress, born LA; maiden name of mother Minnie Brown, born TX; Informant for that information was [her father] J.H. Poythress of 4826 Junius. Medical Particulars: death occurred 9 Aug 1921 at 11:15 a.m; attended the deceased from June 29, 1921 to Aug 9, 1921 and last saw her alive on Aug 9, 1921. Cause of Death was Pernicious Vomiting of Pregnancy - Toxic [in?] Neuro[---] type, duration of 1 mo 15 days. Contributory (Secondary) cause: Acidosis accompanied with acute dilation of heart, duration of 30[?] days. Disease contracted at Dallas; no operation preceded death; no autopsy. An illegible word appears beside "What test confirmed diagnosis?" Signed by C.R. Hannah[?], M.D. on Aug 9, 1921. Burial at Oakland Cemetery on 10 Aug 1921, Dallas. The record was filed 10 Aug 1921. 1922 Death Certificate, John Henry Poythress, from Texas Deaths 1890-1976, FamilySearch Digital film # 4166798. TX Death Certificate Reg. Dis. # 7414 (stamped) Registered # 618 (handwritten) for John Henry Poythress who died in Dallas, Dallas Co, TX at St Paul Sanitarium [hospital], and whose residence was 3411 Asbury St. He had resided in the city for 33 years. The certificate records that he was a married white male, born 19 Jan 1863; at death was age 59 yrs, 2 mo, 4 days. His occupation was Dept. Mgr & Buyer for Sanger Bros. He was born in LA; father J.A. Poythress, who was listed as having been born in LA; maiden name of mother Martha Susan Farmer, listed as having been born LA. Informant for the info was [his son] J.Douglas Poythress of 3411 Asbury. The Medical Particulars: died 23 Mar 1922; attended the deceased only on that date of death; death occurred at 3 p.m. Cause of death was chronic Myocarditis, of 1 year duration. A check mark is all shown on the Contributory (Secondary) cause line. Disease contracted at Dallas; no operation preceded death; no autopsy; no test was done to confirm diagnosis. Signed C.H. Bellaney, MD, on 24 Mar 1922. Place of Burial Oakland Cemetery on 25 Mar 1922. Filed 25 Mar 1922. 1960 Death Certificate, Minnie Poythress, TX State File # 71118, who died in Dallas, Dallas Co, TX on 22 Dec 1960 at Garrett Hostel (1505 North Garrett), the institution where she had stayed for 1.5 years, usual resident of 3429 Hanover [presumably this is the address of her son, the Informant, as well as her legal residence], University Park, Dallas Co, TX. She is listed as a Widowed White Female, age 97, born 10 Feb 1863 in Texas, whose father's name was John D Brown and mother's maiden name was Elvira James Hicks. Her usual occupation was Retired Housewife, in the home; no Social Security number was listed for her. Informant was [her son] Mr. J.D.Poythress. Cause of death was Senility; no other significant conditions contributed to death; no autopsy was performed. John Bradfield, M.D. of Dallas, TX certified on 23 Dec 1960 that he had attended her from 26 May 1945 to 21 Dec 1960; that he last saw her on 21 Dec 1960; and that death occurred at 2:15 pm on 22 Dec 1960. She was to be buried on 24 Dec 1960 at Oakland Cemetery, Dallas, TX, with Sparkman's Inc Funeral Home handling arrangements. The certificate was received by the local registrar on 23 Dec 1960. 1967 Death Certificate, TX State File # 08297, for death of John Douglas Poythress on 17 Feb 1967 in Dallas, Dallas Co, TX, who died on arrival at Baylor Medical Center; his usual residence was 3429 Hanover in University Park, Dallas Co, TX. He was listed as having died at age 63, and as a Married White Male, born 4 Dec 1903, in Dallas, TX, whose father's name was John H Poythress and mother's maiden name was Minnie Brown. His usual occupation was Sales Engineer at Barber Coleman Heating & AirConditioning; he was never in the US Armed Forces; his Social Security # was 478-01-4875. Informant was [presumably his wife] Mrs. Dorothy Poythress. His immediate cause of death was Acute Coronary Occlusion with death occurring Instantly. Contributory condition was listed as "Coronary Scleronia(?)" for "10 yrs (?). Listed as Part of Other Significant Conditions Contributing to Death was "Chronic aortic valvular heart diesase." No autopsy was performed. John Bradfield, M.D. of Dallas, TX certified on 20 Feb 1967 that he attended him from 1 Jan 1960 to 17 Feb 1967; that he last saw him on 17 Feb 1967; and that death occurred at 7:55 pm. Under "Burial, Cremation, Removal (Specify)" is listed "Entombment" to be on 20 Feb 1967 at Restland Garden Mausoleum, Dallas, TX, with Sparkman's Inc Funeral Home of Dallas, TX handling arrangements. Certificate was received by local registrar on 20 Feb 1967. | 11/01/12 3:41:04 |
| [POYTHRESS] Reminder - List messages archived 2 ways | Barbara Neal | It can be handy to keep the below info somewhere that you'll always be able to find it. Our Poythress-List email messages, since March 1995 to the present, are archived two ways at the below 2 sites. NOTE: I'm inserting blank some spaces in each site, so this email will be posted rather than being rejected due to containing links. So just get rid of the blank spaces, and you'll have the correct addresses. Barbara - For a chronological search, go to http : // archiver. rootsweb. ancestry. com/ th / index / POYTHRESS - For a key word / advanced search, go to: http : // archiver. rootsweb. ancestry. com/ cgi-bin/ search? aop & path = POYTHRESS | 11/04/12 5:58:29 |
| [POYTHRESS] 2 Poythress deaths in NC | Barbara Neal | The below 2 Poythress obits from NC include one from June that I likely sent months ago. However also included is one from about a week ago. Any help on identifying the family lines of these would be appreciated. Published in The News & Observer on November 29, 2012: Grace B. Poythress Grace B. Poythress, 82, Henderson, died 11-27-2012. Arrangements: Flowers F.H., Henderson. Published in The News & Observer on June 16, 2012: Joseph G. Poythress Sr. Joseph G. Poythress, Sr., 84, Lucama, died 06-14-2012. Arrangements: Shingleton F.H., Wilson. Thanks, Barbara | 12/05/12 2:58:44 |
| [POYTHRESS] Grace Brame Poythress d.27 Nov 2012, age 82, NC | Barbara Neal | Flowers Funeral Home (mentioned as handling her arrangements in her short death notice in Raleigh, NC's "The News and Observer" newspaper, posted a full obit online for Grace Brame Poythress of Henderson, NC. >From that funeral home obit, along with further info about her, we learn she was born in Vance Co, NC and was widow of George Madison Poythress. Her husband George was listed in SSDI as George M Poythress, b.16 Dec 1923, d.15 Aug 2000, zip of last residence and of last benefit 27536 (Henderson, Vance Co, NC); SS # obtained in NC. Grace's full obit can be seen at the funeral home's website flowersfuneralhome.com/obituarydetail.asp?key=1316 | 12/06/12 8:39:29 |
| [POYTHRESS] 2 deceased NC men named George Madison Poythress | Barbara Neal | I should clarify that I think I gave the correct info (repeated at the bottom, here) in my earlier message today, for the husband of Grace Brame Poythress, identified in her obit as George Madison Poythress, who had preceded her in death. It is confusing that another man of the same name, George Madison Poythress (perhaps unrelated or perhaps a cousin, with both named for the same ancestor or respected person?) died in NC this year. In June 2012, I had posted to our Poythress List, the following info, for whom I have now located further info, including his wife's name of Shirley, who preceded him in death. So that presumably eliminates him from being Grace's husband who preceded her in death last month. As I had seen at Legacy.com on 5 June 2012, and was published in The News & Observer on June 3, 2012: George M. Poythress George M. Poythress, 85, Henderson, died 06-01-2012. Arrangements: Flowers F.H., Henderson [Note: as of today, Flowers Funeral Home does not show any obit for this George who died 1 June 2012] Today, I located additional info for the George who died 1 June 2012, at tributes.com, thanks to a google search. What is not fully clear, is why the June 2012 George is shown above as being of Henderson (perhaps his original hometown?), and he is shown here below as being a resident of Pittsboro, NC when he died. From tributes.com: George Madison Poythress passed away on Friday, June 1, 2012. George was a resident of Pittsboro, North Carolina at the time of his passing. He was a United States Navy Veteran of World War II. He was preceded in death by his wife Shirley. A graveside memorial service will be held Wednesday, June 6, 2012 at 2:00 p.m., at Sunset Gardens, conducted by the Rev. Ray Pearce. The family will receive friends immediately following the service at Flowers Funeral Home. In lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to the American Heart Association, Memorial and Tributes Processing Center, P.O. Box 5216, Glen Allen, VA 23058; or the American Cancer Society , P.O. Box 914, Henderson, NC 27536. Grace's presumed husband, as I earlier today posted, shown in SSDI as George M Poythress, b.16 Dec 1923, d.15 Aug 2000, zip of last residence and of last benefit 27536 (Henderson, Vance Co, NC); SS # obtained in NC. Barbara | 12/06/12 10:00:54 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] 2 deceased NC men named George Madison Poythress | Barbara Neal | Thanks to 2 genie-buddies, I've learned (1) that the 2 NC men named George Madison Poythress were indeed first cousins of one another; and (2) obit info for the one who died in Aug 2000: The George Madison Poythress who died in Jun 2012 & who was husband of Shirley Poythress (likely Shirley Hedrick Poythress; see below notes), was: - son of "Thomas" Cyrus Thomas Poythress & Ola Williams; - grandson of Joseph Sidney Poythress & Lucy Eva Malvina Stainback great-grandson of John Lewis Poythress & Tabitha Ann Nunn NOTES: We know from his 2 obits, in yesterday's email, that he was apparently earlier from Henderson, NC; he died while residing in Pittsboro; and his wife who preceded him in death was Shirley. The only logical entry in SSDI to be that wife is: Shirley H Poythress, b.15 Oct 1923, d.17 May 1997, zip of last residence 27536 (Henderson, Vance Co, NC); SS # from NC. When checking for an obit for her at Legacy.com, no obit was found, but a sponsored link reveals her likely maiden name: "Shirley Hedrick Poythress, died at 73, Henderson, NC." The George Madison Poythress who died in Aug 2000 & who was husband of Grace Brame Poythress (whose Nov 2012 death sparked this series of emails), was: - son of "Willie" William Oliver Poythress & Lessie Maude Hoyle; - grandson of Joseph Sidney Poythress & Lucy Eva Malvina Stainback - great-grandson of John Lewis Poythress & Tabitha Ann Nunn Excerpted obit info for George Madison Poythress, who died in Aug 2000 & was husband of Grace Brame Poythress (she died Tues 27 Nov 2012): obit likely published Thurs 17 Aug, the day prior to his Friday 18 Aug 2000 burial; likely printed in the Henderson, NC newspaper, now titled Daily Dispatch: George M. Poythress HENDERSON -- George Madison Poythress, 76, of ...Henderson, died Tuesday, Aug. 15, 2000, at U.N.C. Hospitals in Chapel Hill. He was a Vance County native and the son of the late William O. and Lessie Hoyle Poythress. He was a retired service station owner and operator. He was a U.S. Navy veteran of World War II. He was a member of Carey Baptist Church, and the B.D. Adcock Sunday school class. Funeral services will be held at 2 p.m. Friday at Carey Baptist Church...Burial will follow in the church cemetery. Surviving are his wife, Grace Brame Poythress; a son, Dennis M. Poythress, and wife, of Henderson; two sisters, Virginia P. Boyd, and Vivian P. Longmire, both of Henderson; two step-grandchildren; and four step-great-grandchildren. The family will receive friends from 7 to 8:30 p.m. today at Flowers Funeral Home... Serving as active pallbearers will be J.O. “Butch” Poythress, Maurice Boyd, Charles Boyd, Glenn Boyd, Jerry Boyd, Keith Longmire, Clinton Poythress, Terry Poythress, Kevin Poythress, Larry Brame, Harvey Brame, and Mike Brame. The B.D. Adcock Sunday school class of Carey Baptist Church will serve as honorary pallbearers. | 12/07/12 8:22:39 |
| [POYTHRESS] 16 Dec 2012 Poythress death led to finding several buried at Evergreen Memorial Pk, Wilson, NC | Barbara Neal | This obit with its related online guest-book was located for this 93-year old lady: Published in The News & Observer on December 18, 2012: Norma Ethel Kelley Poythress [born] September 21, 1919 - [died] December 16, 2012 Wilson: Norma Ethel Kelley Poythress, age 93, died Sunday, December 16, 2012. Funeral services will be conducted in the chapel of Shingleton Funeral Home Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 7:00 p.m. with Dr. Rusty Russell officiating. Commital services will be conducted Wednesday, December 19, 2012 in Evergreen Memorial Park at 11:00 a.m. She is survived by her daughters, Betty L. Fuller and husband, Robert, of AZ, Norma Jean Bair and husband, Edward, of NJ, Edna A. James and husband, Jesse, of Wilson, her son, Chester D. Poythress and wife, Mary Lou, of Wilson, her sisters, Ruby Taylor of AK, Esther Opel of WV, her brothers, Harry Kelley of GA, Ray Kelley of AK, six grandchildren, eleven great grandchildren and three great-great grandchildren. The family will receive friends immediately following the service on Tuesday evening. Comments: - By Della Sue 12/18/12: Edna, I am sorry that your mother has left us but I rejoice that she is in the hands of our precious Lord & Savior. She was special to me and she will be missed. If I may help in any way, please let me know. / Love, Della Sue - by Diane Weissmuller 12/18/12: Rest in Peace Dear Grandmother. - by Barbara E Ward 12/18/12: I am deeply saddened by your loss. I trust in the Lord’s promise that she is with Him for eternity! Love to you and your family and much prayers for your peace and comfort! / Barbara I had hoped to locate the name of Norma Ethel Kelley's Poythress husband, since his name was not mentioned in the obit, at FindAGrave.com in Evergreen Memorial Park of Wilson, NC, where Norma Ethel was buried. While that hope didn't pan out, I did see that 3 other Poythress individuals have memorials for that cemetery at FindAGrave, as copied below. If any of you know - the Poythress husband of Norma Ethel Kelley, above; and/or - the Poythress father or grandfather for below-mentioned Willard Lee Poythress; and/or - the Poythress great-grandfather for below-mentioned Michael Shayne Poythress (whose grandparents, I think, were Glenda & Bill Poythress), I would appreciate learning any or all of those Poythress mens' names. Thanks, Barbara = 3 POYTHRESS FindAGrave.com entries for Evergreen Memorial Park, Wilson, Wilson Co, NC. The first 2 below were husband and wife. Rev Willard Lee Poythress Birth: May 23, 1912 Death: Jul. 10, 1975 Note: per NC Death Certificate Registration District # 098.40, Registrar Certificate # 23860 Burial: Evergreen Memorial Park, Wilson (Wilson County), Wilson County, North Carolina, USA Find A Grave Memorial# 37999624 Created by: Anonymous Record added: Jun 06, 2009 = Elsie Lucille Hathaway Poythress Birth: Jan. 2, 1915 Wiggins Crossroads (Edgecombe County), Edgecombe County, North Carolina, USA Death: Oct. 13, 2002 Wilson (Wilson County), Wilson County, North Carolina, USA Daughter of the late James E. & Anne Summerlin Hathaway. She was preceded in death by her husband Rev. Willard Lee Poythress. She was a charter member First Free Will Baptist Church in Wilson, North Carolina. She was a very loving grandmother of 12 grandchildren and 19 great-grand children. Burial: Evergreen Memorial Park, Wilson (Wilson County), Wilson County, North Carolina, USA Find A Grave Memorial# 7995061 Created by: Cindy Boykin Record added: Oct 17, 2003 = Michael Shayne Poythress Birth: 1981 Wilson County North Carolina, USA Death: Feb. 13, 2011 North Carolina, USA Michael was preceded in death by his maternal grandparents Josiah and Doris Stancil, and his paternal grandmother Glenda Poythress. He is survived by 1 daughter, mother and stepfather, father and stepmother, his paternal grandfather, 2 sisters, 2 nieces, several cousins and his fiancee. He was very much in love and looked forward to getting married, loved his family very much, was good-hearted and loved spending time at the beach. Note: Obituary published in The Wilson Times 2-16-2011 Burial: Evergreen Memorial Park, Wilson (Wilson County), Wilson County, North Carolina, USA Find A Grave Memorial# 67734685 Created by: Linda S Record added: Apr 01, 2011 | 01/11/13 7:22:46 |
| [POYTHRESS] Update - Flowerdew Hundred Plantation on James River in Virginia | Barbara Neal | Some of us, through the years, visited Flowerdew Hundred during the decades that it was operated by the Flowerdew Hundred Foundation, enjoying picnics and tours of its impressive windmill, and seeing archeological artifacts found there through the decades of digs. It was closed to the public in 2007 and many of us have wondered about it. In this email, I'll recap its history as well as cover what's become of it. I'll also tell you how to get to photos of it that I found on the web. WHERE: Flowerdew Hundred is located in Prince George County, Virginia, along the south side of the James River -- east of Hopewell, VA, and just southwest of Charles City, VA (which is on the north side of the James River) -- is a triangular jut of land known since the 1620s as Flowerdew Hundred Plantation. At google map, search for Flowerdew Hundred Road, Hopewell, VA. That road leads into the huge "James River National Wildlife Refuge." If you switch to the satellite view, and either zoom out just a touch, or grab it and pull down a bit, you'll see to the upper right of the Refuge, the farmland of Flowerdew Hundred along the James River (at whatever point the satellite images were taken). HISTORY: Flowerdew Hundred was owned by Joshua Poythress and descendants for a goodly chunk of its recorded history. Originally in its recorded history, it had been patented and named by Sir George Yeardley in 1618. In a Newport News, VA "Daily Press" column of 11 Aug 1991 by Williamsburg Columnist Parke Rouse [who died in 1997, at 81], I've read that when Yeardley settled at Flowerdew, the land had been occupied by the Weyanoke Indians, part of Powhatan's chiefdom. Rouse noted that about 500 Weyanokes lived on both sides of the James in Virginia's early years, and it was after a truce with Powhatan in 1614 that settlers began spreading up the James from Jamestown, planting tobacco in fields abandoned by the Indians. Yeardley ruled Virginia as deputy governor under Lord Delaware in 1616-1617, and as governor in his own right from 1619-1621. Rouse noted Yeardley named Flowerdew for his wife Lady Temperance Flowerdew, whose fortune helped make him Virginia's wealthiest planter by the time he died in 1627; that Yeardley began developing his 1,000-acre grant there about 1617, and by 1619 when he became governor his farm was producing a lot of tobacco. Rouse noted Yeardley built a windmill on the land in 1621 to grind corn and wheat; the plantation lost 6 people in the 1622 Indian insurrection; by 1624 living there were 63 people including 11 Black people who had been brought to VA by Dutch traders; and that Yeardley sold Flowerdew Hundred in 1624. Per the Library of Virginia's Guide to the Flowerdew Hundred Papers [Accession # 28758], in 1624 Flowerdew was transferred to Abraham Peirsey. His daughter, Mrs. Elizabeth Stephens, repatented it in 1636, and she sold it to William Barker. The property eventually came into the possession of Capt. John Taylor who willed it to his heirs in 1707 (proved 1709). His heiresses married: Henrietta Maria Taylor to John Hardyman; Henrietta's sister Sarah to Francis Hardyman; and a third sister to [Henry?] Duke. Those Taylor heiresses sold the property. Parke Rouse's column (and other Poythress research through the years) noted that Joshua Poythress [Sr] was a descendant of Peter Poythress, well-known southside Indian trader, POYTHRESS OWNERSHIP: John Frederick Dorman's article "Flower de Hundred, Prince George County, Virginia" (of which I got a copy sometime during 1993-2003 from the Flowerdew Hundred Foundation) noted that Joshua Poythress [Sr] bought 300 acres in July 1725 from John Hardyman who married Henrietta and had previously bought 150 acres of this from Francis Hardyman and wife Sarah. Joshua bought 150 acres in Oct 1732 from Henrietta and Sarah's sister, Mrs. Elizabeth Duke. Joshua left Flowerdew by his will in 1740 to his sons Joshua [Jr] and William, along with land which fell into Sussex County. Since Joshua alone sold the Sussex land, Dorman noted it has been concluded that William died unmarried and without heirs. Joshua [Jr] resided at Flowerdew and at his death, at least the 300 acre portion passed to his 2nd son William by his will, which (at least when Dorman wrote his article) was no longer extant. Note: I haven't checked today, but apparently Joshua [Jr] also had son (1st?) Joshua III; more re a daughter of Joshua III is further below. In Oct 1790 this William Poythress [grandson of Joshua Poythress Sr mentioned above] and his wife Mary sold 300 acres on the James River, described as the lower part of Flower de Hundred to William Samuel Peachy of Amelia County. William Samuel Peachy, per the Peachy family Bible quoted by Dorman, died at Flower de Hundred 2 Jan 1802 and was buried there. Dorman noted that Peachy's wife, Mary Monroe [Cary] Peachy, per her obituary in the "Southern Churchman" of 25 Nov 1836, had "seen reverses," which had apparently resulted in her having to sell Flower de Hundred. Eleanor Brown Merrill's book, "A Virginia Heritage" says that John Vaughn Willcox in 1809 acquired Flower de Hundred from William Samuel Peachy's estate. Side note: In 1804 John Vaughn Willcox (1779-1863) had married Susanna Peachy Poythress (1785-1815), daughter of Joshua Poythress III (who died in 1789) and Elizabeth Robertson (who died in 1787). Thus it appears to me that Susanna was great-granddaughter of Joshua Poythress [Sr]. who had acquired Flowerdew from Capt. John Taylor. (Haven't verified this.) If so, then even during the lengthy Willcox ownership, the Willcox descendants may well have come from POYTHRESS on the maternal side, with John Vaughn Willcox on the paternal side. WILLCOX: The Library of VA above-mentioned Guide [Accession # 28758] says "The lands were eventually reassembled by purchase and descent from the several owners and became the property of the Willcox family." The property went to Willcox descendants on into the mid-1900s -- I *think* Willcox family members owned it until it was bought by David Alexander Harrison III (a Petersburg, VA native, retired lawyer, investment banker & farmer, and longtime benefactor of the Univ of VA, who died in 2002 at 85). Harrison bought the property (in 1967 or in the 1970s, depending on which news article one reads from searching google) and he moved there in 1987. MORE RECENTLY: In 1971, he formed the Flowerdew Hundred Foundation as a subsidiary of the Harrison family's foundation. The Flowerdew Hundred Fndn supported archaeological and historical research on the property, and for a long time operated a museum in an 1850s schoolhouse there. BOOK: A 1995 book by James Deetz, "Flowerdew Hundred: The Archaeology of a Virginia Plantation, 1619-1864" covers the archeological finds. The museum closed in Oct 2007, and many of us wondered what would become of the archeological artifacts and the Flowerdew Hundred property. ARTIFACTS: Its hundreds of thousands of artifacts found during 3 decades, were donated to the University of Virginia at Charlottesville, VA. PROPERTY NOW, including PHOTOS: Re the Flowerdew Hundred property, a google search on "flowerdew hundred farm" today found a lovely 8-page PDF filled with color photos of both the grounds and the inside of the 14,000 sq foot home that David Alexander Harrison III built as his retirement home at Flowerdew Hundred Plantation. You can reach the link for the lovely sale brochure by replacing each dash [each "-"] with a period or dot [.], AND by removing the blank spaces in this: planetsg-com / PAW_Estate / File / Flower-pdf The property sold in 2011, and from the same search page on "flowerdew hundred farm" one can read articles about the wealthy buyer of the property from articles published 19 Oct 2011 in the Petersburg, VA newspaper, The Progress-Index, and on 26 Oct 2011 in the Hopewell [VA] News & Patriot. He had earlier also bought the Greenbrier Resort, a historic resort and spa in White Sulphur Springs, WV. | 01/23/13 10:49:43 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] RIP Bobby Shirrell Poythress Sr of NC | Jerry Poythress | Thank you for your condolences. Jerry Poythress | 01/26/13 2:21:02 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP Bobby Shirrell Poythress Sr of NC | Barbara Neal | Our sympathy to Jerry Poythress, who has corresponded with our Poythress subscription list before, and to his entire family regarding his brother's death just over a week ago. The family placed a beautifully-written obituary in two newspapers, The Free Press (Kinston, NC Jan 18-21), and The Daily Reflector (Greenville, NC Jan 18). I'm sure their descendants for generations to come will appreciate its info. That info ties in with info that other Poythress List subscribers have formerly posted in their emails, too. By searching our archived List emails, others can tie the info together. The obituaries, which can be seen at Legacy.com, read quite similarly, included these points: - Bobby Shirrell Poythress Sr., 74, of Grifton, passed away on January16, 2013 - b. April 9, 1938, in Wayne County, N.C. to Walter and Alva Smithson Poythress. - preceded in death by his parents and one daughter, Sherry Poythress. - was a retired Truck Driver. - survived by -- wife, Laura Donahue Poythress, of the home; -- two sons, Bobby Poythress Jr., of Grifton and Dennis Alan Poythress and wife Renee, of Greenville; -- one daughter, Nikki Poythress Whaley and husband Jerry, of Grifton; -- four brothers, Dorman Poythress of Havelock, Wallace Poythress of Newport and Walter and Jerry Poythress, both of Vanceboro; -- two sisters, Barbara Matthewson of Greenville, Ill. and Mildred Petrowski of Newport. -- 5 grandchildren, Denny, Brandon and Danielle Whaley and Ethan and Kayla Poythress and one great-grandchild, Sherry Faith Whaley. - Funeral services on Saturday, January 19, 2013, at Farmer Funeral Service-Ayden. - private burial at Evergreen Memorial Estates in Grifton | 01/26/13 11:10:16 |
| [POYTHRESS] Virginia War Museum-veterans & Catherine Poythress Chimborazo | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | Hello Poythress friends, I haven't posted or commented in forever (I think abt 3 years). But I have been reading all the emails, thinking abt it, wishing I could do more. I wanted to tell you about something that might interest you, the Virginia War Memorial. They took a list of all the people who died from Virginia- from WWII to the present, in combat related things. The names are etched on glass & granite. They are organized by county then city. I'm told this is the only state to do a museum or monument like this. I keep a blog about my Mecklenburg people who were sometimes in Brunswick too. My family lived along the border of Mecklenburg & Brunswick. And very close to the border of VA & NC. (Warren Co., NC). I kept having people tell me I have amazing things & I should post them, or tell how I got them. I have so many ideas, just trying to get to it, little by little. I'm posting pictures I take of churches, old family pictures that people agree I can post, etc. Also old plats. I hope to soon put up pieces of chanceries, paragraphs that state relationships, that correct a lot of mistakes floating around out there, or some people I'd never heard of before the chancery, but states under oath their relationship. So if interested in seeing pictures I took of the war monument (since I can't attach pictures here), this is my blog address (add free, only relevant to Mecklenburg area & my associated families. Which includes Poythress.) http://juliecabitto-preservinghistoryrecords.blogspot.com/ (2 posts dated 9 Mar 2013) Yesterday I made two posts because it was so large with all the pictures. Part one was pictures of the monument and museum. Part two (second post yesterday) was all the pictures of Brunswick & Mecklenburg names at the memorial. On a side tab marked "Virgina war Monument", (a blog page) is a transcription of all the names in the pictures. There were no Poythress names from these two counties. I didn't see Poythress or I would have taken a picture. But you might want to check it out for other veterans in your family in VA. Pretty sure I remember a searchable database on the website for surnames. Another stop I made last weekend was to the Chimborazo medical museum. That was actually from my curiosity about Catherine Poythress being listed as a head matron there. I wanted to see if I could find out more about her. I know of one relative who died there & one who lived. So I was curious. I got a book on the hospitals of Richmond during the War. I started looking at various muster rolls of people I know of and realized more guys than I thought went through Chimborazo & lived to tell. I kind of thought the opposite was true seeing so many in the cemetery from Chimborazo. The one thing the museum could tell me was that Catherine Poythress' title of "head matron" was that there was one for each ward. And there were lots of wards. Maybe 20? I'll have to do some further research. I didn't write down all the numbers I was told. Pheobe, the one who kept diaries the museum quotes was head matron of ward 2. Catherine was Ward #4. Also found out they usually only hired single or widowed women without attached children, meaning that the children are all grown. So the fact that Catherine had small children and she stayed quite awhile being a young mother is something unique. Maybe because she was widowed and her husband was an officer? I'm going to post what I can & have found about Catherine Poythress later. When I do, I'll send that info to the list. Soon I'm going to post the various guys in my tree & what hospitals in Richmond they went through. And a little I've learned about the hospitals & the change in women's roles abt that. I had some interesting conversations last weekend! My Poythress line is Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch. Sarah, believed to be the daughter of Lewis Poythress & Rebecca Taylor. Thanks, Julie Cabitto -- *Julie Nielsen Cabitto VA gen: http://juliecabitto-preservinghistoryrecords.blogspot.com/* | 03/10/13 12:08:58 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Virginia War Museum-veterans & Catherine Poythress Chimborazo | Barbara Neal | Julie, it's good to see a posting from you again. Thanks so much for your blog address, and for the info on Virginia's War Memorial -- neat to learn about that and I look forward to checking out your blog. Thanks, too, for letting us know about Catherine Poythress having been listed as a head matron of ward 4, for Chimborazo. When would that have been -- which war? Civil War? or later? I gather from your posting that it's in Richmond? Guess I should go look at your blog, since it might answer some of those questions;) Barbara | 03/10/13 12:21:57 |
| [POYTHRESS] Chance to hear great genealogist Helen Leary at your convenience from home | Barbara Neal | Today's announcement from the NC Genealogical Society, of which I'm a member, reminds me to mention this opportunity. Some of you'll recall that when Maynard heard her in person, he gave her a great report. I've heard her in person at several VA and NGS conferences, and she is really super. Her lectures are helpful for all Southern genie research, and especially for those of us who had ancestors along the bottom edge of VA and top edge of NC. I also recommend membership in NCGS; their robust website is at ncgenealogy-org (replace the dash with a dot). Below is copied from the announcement, re how you can hear her from your home. Enjoy and learn - Cheers, Barbara = The North Carolina Genealogical Society announces the second of a series of webinars on genealogy research in North Carolina. These webinars will help everyone who has Southern roots as the methodology is similar to that of North Carolina research. The NCGS webinars begin with a two-part lecture by the esteemed Helen Leary, CG (Emeritus), on the Genealogy of North Carolina. Tarheels in the Family Tree? Part II will be FREE and open to the public for the first three days of its publication (15-17 March). After that time all webinars will be available to NCGS members in the Members section of the NCGS website. CDs of the webinars may be purchased through the NCGS bookstore on the website www-ncgenealogy-org. [replace the dashes with dots] | 03/13/13 2:58:27 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 4 | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | Hi Barbara & fellow Poythress researchers, Sorry forgot to put time period in there. It was during the civil war, that Chimborazo was the main & biggest hospital in Richmond, VA. Most other hospitals listed were in homes, or field hospitals. The commander of the hospital designed quick folding tents like tepees, & they said at the museum this was the beginning of the tent hospitals like on MASH. They'd (Chimborazo doctors) go set up in the front lines, help stabilize, then help them get to the main hospital. I'm closing on my house Thursday. & moving in two weeks. Then I really hope after settling to get a little more time to research & post things I have already found. Hope everyone has a great day! Julie Cabitto | 03/26/13 3:53:35 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 4 | Barbara Neal | Thanks, Julie, for the additional info on Chimborazo. Hope all goes smoothly for your closing and move. Barbara | 03/26/13 5:35:20 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP Janet nee Kendrick Poythress, age 75, who died March 11, 2013 | Barbara Neal | With thanks to Legacy.com and to the family for the 2 below obits for one lady, and with condolences to the family, below are obits for a lady about whom I know nothing further. If anyone can enlighten me how she got her Poythress surname, I'd appreciate knowing. Barbara Published in The Virginian Pilot [Norfolk, VA] on March 13, 2013: Janet Poythress Chesapeake - Janet Kendrick Poythress, 75, passed away on Monday, March 11, 2013 surrounded by her loving family. Born in Columbia, South Carolina, she was the daughter of the late Ralph C. and Zola Murden Kendrick. She will be remembered for her many years of faithful service as the legal secretary to the President of Virginia State Employee Credit Union. She was a wonderful lady who will be missed by all who knew and loved her. Janet was predeceased by her husband, Eldridge E. Vines; and her daughter, Christine Rene Poythress. She is survived by her son, Blane Poythress; her brother, Ralph C. Kendrick, Jr.; and her stepbrother, Buddy Murden. She also leaves her one granddaughter, Christina Leigh Poythress Anderson; her two great granddaughters, Kalyn Poythress, and Samantha Anderson. A graveside service will be conducted at 10 a.m., Friday, March 15, in Rosewood Memorial Park, 631 N. Witchduck Road, Virginia Beach, VA 23462. Rev. Charles L. Moseley will officiate. The family will receive friends from 6 to 7:30 p.m. Thursday at the Great Bridge Chapel of Oman Funeral Home & Crematory, 653 Cedar Road, Chesapeake, VA 23322. Friends are invited to sign the online guest book at www.omanfh.com. And Published in The State [South Carolina's Homepage] on March 13, 2013 Janet Kendrick Poythress CHESAPEAKE, Va. - Janet Kendrick Poythress, 75, passed away on Monday, March 11, 2013, surrounded by her loving family. Born in Columbia, South Carolina, she was the daughter of the late Ralph C. and Zola Murden Kendrick. She will be remembered for her many years of faithful service as the legal secretary to the President of Virginia State Employee Credit Union. She was a wonderful lady who will be missed by all who knew and loved her. Janet was predeceased by her husband, Eldridge E. Vines; and her daughter, Christine Rene Poythress. She is survived by her son, Blane Poythress; her brother, Ralph C. Kendrick, Jr.; and her stepbrother, Buddy Murden. She also leaves her one granddaughter, Christina Leigh Poythress Anderson; her two great-granddaughters, Kalyn Poythress and Samantha Anderson. A graveside service will be conducted at 10:00 a.m. Friday, March 15, 2013, in Rosewood Memorial Park, 631 N. Witchduck Road, Virginia Beach, VA 23462. Rev. Charles L. Moseley will officiate. The family will receive friends from 6:00 to 7:30 p.m. Thursday at the Great Bridge Chapel of Oman Funeral Home & Crematory, 653 Cedar Road, Chesapeake, VA 23322. Friends are invited to sign the online guest book at www.omanfh.com. | 03/26/13 5:44:13 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] RIP Janet nee Kendrick Poythress, age 75, who died March 11, 2013 | Bruce | Barb, I found this via Ancestry.com. I did find her birth record in the 1940 census which shows her to be age 2 in Columbia, SC. [1]North Carolina, Marriage Collection, 1741-2004 about Frank Delenor Poythress Name: Frank Delenor Poythress Gender: Male Race: White Spouse: Janet Kay Kendrick Spouse Gender: Female Spouse Race: White Marriage Date: 1957 Marriage County: Pasquotank Marriage State: North Carolina References 1. http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=8909&enc=1 | 03/29/13 7:33:57 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] RIP Janet nee Kendrick Poythress, age 75, who died March 11, 2013 | Barbara Neal | Thanks so much, Bruce! Barb | 03/30/13 9:01:22 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] RIP William F 'Bill' Poythress, Jr, nearly 82 | Crystal Rose | This is the son of William Benjamin Fate Poythress and Francis Nolley of Harnet Co NC. He is the grandson of Horace and Laura Bell Turner Poythress of Northampton Co NC Remember the Bible we took pictures of that belonged to Jack Poythress? Jack and Bill Sr were brothers. Crystal | 04/02/13 4:36:07 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] RIP William F 'Bill' Poythress, Jr, nearly 82 | Barbara Neal | Thanks so much, Crystal. Barbara | 04/02/13 5:24:54 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP William F 'Bill' Poythress, Jr, nearly 82 | Barbara Neal | Our condolences go out to his entire family, and on his behalf, we thank them for his service to our country. A friend learned he was born 3 April 1931, so he died within one week of his 82nd birthday. Apparently from his name, his father was named William F Poythress, however his father was apparently NOT William Francis Poythress (son of Richard Plunk Poythress & Ada Turner), of the NC area of Northampton County, since the list of his children we've previously seen on our Poythress-List, included a William Arthur Poythress and no William F "Jr." I'd appreciate learning if anyone can point to the correct Poythress line from which William F 'Bill' Poythress Jr, born 1931, descends. As seen at Legacy.com, as published on ajc.com and in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution on March 30, 2013: William 'Bill' Poythress William "Bill" Poythress, 81, of Fayetteville [GA] died Thursday. Funeral, 2 p.m. Monday, Carl J. Mowell and Son Funeral Home. Additional info was then seen both at FindAGrave.com, and at the website for the above funeral home, at www.mowellfuneralhome.com. (Note: above-mentioned Fayetteville, GA is located a bit south of the Atlanta airport, which would be a convenient residence location for anyone employed by airlines. Below-mentioned Peachtree City, GA is also located south of the Atlanta airport.) William F. “Bill” Poythress, Jr., of Fayetteville, passed away March 28, 2013. He served in the United States Air Force during the Korean War. He retired from Eastern Airlines where he worked as a foreman for many years. He is survived by his wife of 51 years Bonnie Poythress; daughter Renae Watson; son Billy Poythress and wife Diana; four grandchildren; two great-grandchildren;and many nieces and nephews. A funeral service will be held Monday, April 1, 2013 at 2:00 PM at the Chapel of Mowell Funeral Home, Fayetteville. Reverend Mark Westmoreland will officiate. The burial will follow at Westminster Memorial Gardens, Peachtree City. The family will receive friends Monday from 12:00 PM to 2:00 PM prior to service. Carl J Mowell & Son, Fayetteville – www.mowellfuneralhome.com | 04/02/13 12:04:31 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP - Dorothy (nee Terry) Brown Poythress of Raleigh, d.28 May 2013 | Barbara Neal | Our sympathy and condolences to the family of Dorothy, of Raleigh, NC, whose obituaries were seen online today at Legacy.com, thanks to DignityMemorial.com, and The [Raleigh] News & Observer. Dorothy died at 84 after a lingering illness, preceded by her first husband, Wayne Brown, and her second husband, George Poythress. Survivors were listed as: her step-children, Preston Poythress (Joan), Amy Poythress, and Denise Shamblin (Steve); step-grandchildren, Christine Shamblin, Dylan Poythress, Austin Poythress, and Mason Poythress; sister, Rebecca Smith (Ed); brothers, Joe Terry (Donnis), Wallace Terry (Joyce), William Terry, and Frank Terry (Jeannette); & many loving nieces; nephews; great-nieces; great-nephews; and great-great nieces and great-great nephews. Memorial gifts were suggested, to Creedmoor Road Baptist Church, Raleigh, NC. Her services will be this Sat, June 1 at Mitchell Funeral Home, 7209 Glenwood Ave, Raleigh: visitation (10:30); funeral (12 noon); & committal (1:00 at Raleigh Memorial Park & Mitchell Funeral, 7501 Glenwood Ave, Raleigh, NC. A photo of Dorothy can be seen at Legacy.com; her Guest Book can be signed at MitchellatRMP.com | 05/30/13 4:17:33 |
| [POYTHRESS] Mildred Poythress RIP, d.27 July 2013 near Richmond, VA | Barbara Neal | Back in 2010, I posted the obit for her husband, Thomas Smith Poythress. Our condolences to the entire family. /Barbara As seen at Legacy.com and published in VA, in the Richmond Times-Dispatch on July 29, 2013: MILDRED POYTHRESS POYTHRESS, Mildred, 77, of Mechanicsville, passed away July 27, 2013. She was preceded in death by her husband, Tom; parents, Charles and Lucille Kelley; and sister, Dorothy. She is survived by her sister, Virginia Durrette; son, Jeff Poythress and his wife, Cathy; daughter, Cynthia Balderson and her husband, Ronald; granddaughters, Kelly and Molly Balderson. Mildred was a 50 year member of Fairmount Baptist Church. The family will receive friends 5 to 8 p.m. Monday, July 29 (today) at the Mechanicsville Chapel of Bennett Funeral Home, 8014 Lee-Davis Road. Funeral services will be held 3 p.m. Tuesday, July 30 at Fairmount Baptist Church, 4205 Ravenswood Rd., Richmond, Va. 23222. Interment Forest Lawn Cemetery [Richmond, VA] | 08/24/13 11:49:40 |
| [POYTHRESS] Wm Oliver 'Sam' Poythress of Wilson, NC - RIP d. 7 Aug 2013 | Barbara Neal | Our condolences to the entire family, for "Sam." I understand his full name was William Oliver 'Sam' Poythress, and that he was born in 1952. I'd greatly appreciate it if anyone can tell me which Poythress line he descends from, I'd greatly appreciate -- possibly from the line of William Oliver Poythress of NC, who was born 17 March 1892 in Franklin Co, NC, and died 13 March 1935 in Henderson, Vance Co, NC? Thanks, Barbara As seen at Legacy.com and published in NC, in The [Raleigh, NC] News & Observer on August 9, 2013: William O. Sam Poythress William O. "Sam" Poythress, 60, Wilson, died 08-07-2013. Arrangements: Shingleton F.H., Wilson | 08/24/13 12:11:37 |
| [POYTHRESS] RJ Poythress - RIP d.19 Aug 2013 near Wilson, NC | Barbara Neal | Our condolences to the family of this fellow, who I understand was born in 1952. I'd appreciate learning from which Poythress line he descends, if anyone can tell me. Thanks, Barbara As seen at Legacy.com and published in NC, in The News & Observer on August 23, 2013: RJ Poythress, 61, Wilson, died 08-19-2013. Arrangements: Thomas-Yelverton Funeral Home, Wilson. | 08/24/13 12:28:40 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Wm Oliver 'Sam' Poythress of Wilson, NC - RIP d. 7 Aug 2013 | Jerry Poythress | Hey ! just on line a few minutes an saw you emailed me this. Don't know him.(Sorry) my condolences from the Havelock Poythress Family. Thanks Jerry Poythress | 08/30/13 6:17:05 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Wm Oliver 'Sam' Poythress of Wilson, NC - RIP d. 7 Aug 2013 | Crystal Marvin | He is the son of Oliver and Mahala Hayes Poythress of Wilson Co NC | 08/30/13 9:07:25 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Wm Oliver 'Sam' Poythress of Wilson, NC - RIP d. 7 Aug 2013 | Crystal Marvin | My apologies....it should read William Harrison and Mahala Hayes Poythress of Wilson Co NC William Harrison is the son of Joseph Poythress and Mary Jane Garner of Northampton Co NC | 08/30/13 9:08:47 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Wm Oliver 'Sam' Poythress of Wilson, NC - RIP d. 7 Aug 2013 | Barbara Neal | Thanks, Crystal, for speaking up & filling us in that he was son of William Harrison Poythress & his wife whose name prior to marriage was Mahala Hayes. Jerry, good to hear from you again, too, even though didn't know him. Barbara | 08/30/13 10:17:31 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Wm Oliver 'Sam' Poythress of Wilson, NC - RIP d. 7 Aug 2013 | Barbara Neal | Hey Crystal & all, I've finally had a moment to look at what info I had on the couple mentioned, and I think it more likely that William Harrison Poythress and Mahala Hayes were grandparents (versus parents) of William Oliver 'Sam' Poythress, who lived from who lived from Sep 1952 to Aug 2013. - William Harrison Poythress lived from 1890 to 1956. He married, around 1912-1913 - Mahala Hayes (who lived from about 1895 or 1896, to sometime after the 1930 Census) In the 1930 Census, they were in Warsaw Twp of Duplin Co, NC, and their eldest child in the household was Oliver W, age 16. Other kids were Marvin (14); A.D. (male 13); Lessie W or Jessie W (female 8; Mary B (6); Joseph G (2); and Edward P (age 1 4/12). Various ones of those sons could have been father of William Oliver 'Sam' Poythress: - Oliver W Poythress lived from 17 Feb 1914 to 25 Oct 1980 (he married Estelle Brantley; he served in WWII) - Marvin lived Dec 1915 to July 1994 - A.D. lived Sep 1917 to July 1981; he served in WWII - Joseph Gideon Poythress lived Sep 1927 to June 2012; he married Alice Alease Ham; the kids named in his obit did not include William Oliver 'Sam.' - Edward P Poythress - I only know he was born in about Dec 1928. | 08/31/13 10:35:43 |
| [POYTHRESS] Anyone know this Poythress family in Virginia? | Barbara Neal | I don't recognize this lady, or who her parents back in Virginia would have been, and would appreciate learning more if any of you know. Solano, CA, where she died, is between San Francisco and Sacramento. Thanks for any clarification, Barbara = Barbara Ann Hust, died 2 Feb 1992 at Solano, CA; born 15 Nov 1935 in Virginia; female; father's name Poythress; mother's name Pugh = Seen tonight at FamilySearch.org, citation: "California, Death Index, 1940-1997," index, FamilySearch [no image online as of 26 Oct 2013] https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VGPP-V88 : accessed 26 Oct 2013), Poythress in entry for Barbara Ann Hust, 1992. | 10/26/13 3:59:39 |
| [POYTHRESS] George Leroy "Buck" Poythress, Jr 1940-2013 obit & his Poythress ancestry | Barbara Neal | Our condolences to the family of this wonderful man, who I regret never having met. Barbara = As seen today at Legacy.com and published in Pensacola [FL] News Journal on Sept. 26, 2013. The obit was accompanied in that paper by 2 photos, one showing him as a young Marine in dress uniform, and the other more recent and more casually dressed. (The obit and Marine photo of him have already been posted at FindAGrave.) George Poythress Jr. (1940 - 2013) George Leroy Poythress, Jr. (1940-2013 George Leroy Poythress Jr., 73, of Pensacola, FL, passed away peacefully on September 22, 2013 surrounded by family and loving friends to be with God. George is known to family and friends as "Buck" or "Bucky". He was born in Roanoke, VA on July 14, 1940. He was a member of the graduating class of 1958 Graham High School, Bluefield, VA where he met and married his high school sweetheart, upon graduation joining the U.S.M.C. Throughout Buck's life, he always served his country with honor and dignity. First, and foremost, as a Marine during the Vietnam War Era, traveling to over 19 countries. He received too many accolades to mention. Stationed in Hawaii, he earned a Bachelor Degree with the Chaminade College of Honolulu, receiving honors. Retiring at the rank of Master Sergeant, he later joined the Escambia Sheriff's Department and rose to the rank of Lt. before retiring in 2004. [Note: Escambia Co, FL is the county in which Pensacola is located. I had not been aware of any Poythress family living there before seeing this obit.] George leaves behind his loving wife of 55 years of marriage, Ella Perdue Poythress; his son, Greg and wife Pat Poythress; daughter, Renee and husband Victor Barahona. The family will receive friends from 5:00 to 7:00p.m. Thursday, September 26, 2013 at Harper-Morris Memorial Chapel. A Funeral Cortege will depart from Harper-Morris at 10:30 a.m. Friday, September 27, 2013 for Graveside services at Barrancas National Cemetery at 11:00a.m. Special thanks to the doctors and staff of West Florida Hospital and Baptist Hospital for their loving care and service. The family would like to give a heart-felt thanks to long time caring friends, Leamond and Judy Gunn. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to the Wounded Warrior Project in memory of George Poythress. This Marine believed in God, the Flag and Country. Semper Fi! Express your condolences in our guestbook at pnj.com/obits Note that from some of the many, many notes in the online guest book, and the photos posted, we learn that while he was at Graham High in Bluefield, VA he'd been an outstanding musician, with one fellow noting his memory of Bucky was how he set the bar high for trumpet playing, saying he would always remember Bucky's playing 'Flight of the Bumblebee' -- one of the toughest pieces for a trumpet player -- superbly. [When you read the below family line for him, this sounds like a talent he inherited from his paternal grandfather.] One photo posted by his daughter shows his talent as an artist, too, with a beautiful picture he'd done. Another photo shows him as a young boy of perhaps 5 or 6 (so during or soon after WWII), dressed in what looks like a small Army dress-uniform, beside his mother. The above-mentioned Bluefield, VA is located along the Bluestone River in Tazewell County, on US Hwy 19, very near the VA-WV state line in southwestern VA -- and just 3 miles down the road from Bluefield, WV. To help you place Bluefield, VA mentally, it is just west of I-77 and about 38 miles north-northwest of Wytheville, VA (which is at the intersection of I-81 and I-77), for those who may be more familiar with it. Analysis shows this recently deceased George Leroy "Buck" Poythress Jr, who was born 14 July 1940, descends from: - ggg-gf: Gideon Poythress [who was age 40-49 in the 1830 Southampton Co, VA Census] - gg-gf: Benjamin Poythress & Susan Mary Williams [Benjamin was born about 1808 in Southampton Co, VA; was listed in 1850 Petersburg, VA Census as a huxter; & was buried in late July 1865 at Blandford Cemetery in Petersburg, VA] - g-gf: George Alexander Poythress & "Ella" or Ellan M; George was born in 1849 (listed as age 1 in father's hh in 1850 Petersburg Census; he died Aug 1906 in Lynchburg, VA; per his obit he was a musician, buried in Lynchburg's Presbyterian Cemetery - gf: George Leroy Poythress [b.July 1878] & Janie Taylor; [He was born July 1878; per his March 1909 obit, he'd been leader of the Lynchburg City Band; was regarded as one of the best musicians of his kind in the city; for years his beautiful cornet was heard in churches of the city; was leader of the YMCA Orchestra until ill health compelled him to give up his music; his illness lasted about a year before he died, survived by his wife (Janie Taylor of Lynchburg) and infant son -- apparently named for his father] - father: G.[George] LeRoy Poythress & Dorothy E [While I could not find any burial record for him, I did find him in the SSDI as George Poythress, b.4 Oct 1908, d.in Mar 1966 with no zip code specified for his last residence; he had obtained his SS # in WV -- He was age 31 in April 1940 Census of Bluefield, Tazewell Co, VA, which showed the couple with only one small daughter; in that 1940 Census we learn that on 1 Apr 1935 he and his wife had lived in Roanoke, Roanoke Co, VA; his education level was shown as having 4 yrs of college & his occupation was Draftsman for the Electric Power Utility who had worked all 52 weeks of preceding year.] | 10/26/13 11:32:07 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] George Leroy "Buck" Poythress, Jr 1940-2013 obit & his Poythress ancestry | Randy Jones | Thanks so much for sending this to us. One question though. Based on the submittal to this forum on 15 Jan 2006 by Michael Tutor, and a subsequent response by Nancy Netter on 22 Feb 2008, I have the parents of Benjamin Poythress (1808-1865) as Hardiman Poythress (b.c.1775) and Betty Golder. Do I have this wrong? Randy Jones | 10/27/13 3:09:49 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] George Leroy "Buck" Poythress, Jr 1940-2013 obit & his Poythress ancestry | Barbara Neal | Thank you, Randy! I'm so sorry that yesterday I WRONGLY listed Gideon Poythress as father of the huxter Benjamin Poythress. Randy is correct that indeed Nancy Netter has concluded that HARDIMAN POYTHRESS who married ELIZABETH GOLDER 13 Oct 1789 in Prince George County, Virgina were the parents of BENJAMIN POYTHRESS, b. 1808, Southampton, Virginia; d. 26 Jul 1865, Petersburg, Virginia. I somehow got my wires crossed on that yesterday (perhaps about the time of a touchdown in whichever college football game my hubby had the channel on), and I'm sorry. I also want to include this info from the 1910 Lynchburg City, Campbell Co, VA Census, which is re a Census page that Nancy Netter and I had earlier looked at and had trouble reading. I've now been able to clearly read the middle initial for young George (age one year 7 months) as an "L" thanks to it being written in the same manner as the first letter of the first name of the person above him, "Lillian." Thus the dwelling is: Lynchburg City - Ward 3 (Part of), Campbell Co, VA, p.14-A for Family numbers 101-109: the 1910 Census page image is very difficult to read due to the backward slant of the handwriting of the Census-taker and numerous scratch-marks from the microfilm that the digital version caught. Family # 103, on lines 20-25 has 6 people as follows [Note: square brackets like the ones containing this note, are my own comments, not info shown on the image]: - Taylor, Sally S, head, female, white, age 45, widowed, b.VA, father b.VA, mother b.VA, Saleslady, Dept Store; - Poythress, Janie [nee Taylor] B[?], daughter, female, white, 23, widowed, b.VA, father b.VA, mother b.VA, Mailing [or Marking or Mending?] clerk, Steam[?] laundry; - Smith, Lillian K[?], daughter, female, white, 21, married, b.VA, father b.VA, mother b.VA, no occupation; - Poythress, George L, [Bpn notes that his middle initial is written the same as the first letter of the first name on the immediately-above line "Lillian"], grandson, 1 7/12, single, b.VA, father b.VA, mother b.VA - [Bpn cannot read her name], Mother, female, white, 66, widowed, b.VA, father b.VA, mother b.VA - [this surname maybe Tatum?], Richard, [cannot read relationship to head] male, white, 49, single, b.VA, father b.VA, mother b.VA Again, I'm sorry for causing confusion by my wrong statement yesterday re the father of Benjamin Poythress, huxter. Barbara | 10/27/13 9:56:53 |
| [POYTHRESS] Rev Brenson Poythress RIP, 17 Oct 2013 Atlanta, GA area | Barbara Neal | Our condolences to the family and friends of Rev Brenson Poythress, who died 17 Oct 2013. His age and surviving family members are not noted in the two obits, below, from Atlanta, published on 19 & 25 Oct 2013. Further below, is an earlier Jan 2006 mention of him (and more family members) in another Atlanta-Journal Constitution obit published 23 Jan 2006 for his son, Kenneth M Davidson. [Info in square brackets, like these, are my own.] Barbara = Family-Placed Death Notice published in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution on 19 Oct 2013: Benson [sic; apparently should be Brenson] POYTHRESS POYTHRESS, Benson Rev. Benson Poythress of Atlanta passed October 17, 2013. Arrangements announced later by Hines Home of Funerals, Inc. 404-792-2400 Family-Placed Death Notice published in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution on 25 Oct 2013: Brenson POYTHRESS POYTHRESS, Brenson Homegoing Services for Rev. Brenson Poythress will be held Saturday October 26, 2013 at 11am at Great Levy Baptist Church 3384 Donald Lee Hollowell Pkwy, Rev. W. C. Williams Pastor, Rev. Lovett Thornton officiating Interment Southview Cemetery LaGrange, GA. Family and friends are asked to assemble at 678 Herschel Rd College Park [GA] at 10am. Hines Home of Funerals, Inc. 595 West Lake Ave NW [Atlanta, GA 30318] 404-792-2400 . And the earlier mention of Brenson Poythress from Atlanta-Journal Constitution published 21 - 23 January 2006: Mr. Kenneth M. Davidson Homegoing service for Mr. Kenneth M. Davidson of Atlanta, Ga. will be held Tuesday, January 24, 2006 at 11 AM at the Greater Leavy Missionary Baptist Church, 3384 Bankhead Highway, NW [Atlanta, GA 30331]. Rev. W. C. Williams, Pastor, officiating. Interment Southview Cemetery, LaGrange Ga. The remains will be placed in state at the church at 10 AM. Family and friends are asked to assemble at 3596 Bolfair Dr. SW at 10 AM. Wake will be held tonight, Monday, from 7-8 PM, also at the Greater Leavy Missionary Baptist Church. He is survived by his daughter, Kenya Davidson; his father, Rev. Brenson Poythress; 3 sisters, Mr. and Mrs. Samuel (Deborah) Milligan; Mr. and Mrs. Perry (Carolyn) Hoke, Ms. Sylvia Poythress; 4 brothers, Mr. and Mrs. David Poythress, Sr. (Helen), Jerome Poythress, Donald Poythress and Ronald Poythress and a host of nieces, nephews, cousins, other relatives and dear friends. Hines Home of Funerals, 404-792-2411 | 10/29/13 4:54:41 |
| [POYTHRESS] Joseph "Joe" Winston Poythress RIP 24 Apr 2013 Birmingham, AL area | Barbara Neal | Our condolences to the family and friends. Two obits are below for him. Sorry to be so late posting this. Barbara = As seen at Legacy.com, and published in The Birmingham [AL] News from May 2 to May 3, 2013 [including a photo of this nice looking Black man]: Joe W Poythress POYTHRESS, JOE W. 52, passed away April 24, 2013. Survivors: mother, Rowena P. Poythress; brothers, sisters, and a host of other relatives. Funeral service will be held at 12 noon Saturday, May 4, 2013 at Guiding Light Church (1846 John Rogers Drive). Interment will follow in Elmwood Cemetery. [Logo for Poole Funeral Chapels - Four Generations of Caring, phone 205-322-5574] Posted at DignityMemorial.com thanks to Elmwood Cemetery & Mausoleum, 600 Martin Luther King Dr, Birmingham, AL 35211: In Memory of Joseph Winston Poythress August 6, 1960 - April 25, 2013 Burial arrangements under the direction of Elmwood Cemetery & Mausoleum. | 10/29/13 8:32:58 |
| [POYTHRESS] Mary (nee Jones) Poythress, age 87, b. in GA & husband Sam J, b. in LA - RIP | Barbara Neal | Our condolences to the entire family: Mary died last week and her husband, Sam J, a WWII Veteran, had passed away in '03, both in TX. Mary's obituary, as seen at Legacy.com & published in the Houston [TX] Chronicle on Nov. 27, 2013: Mary Poythress Mary J Poythress - She was a whirlwind until the day she died, November 22, 2013. She was born March 6, 1926, in Cordele, Georgia to Robert and Arrie Jones and married Sam Poythress in 1946. She had three main loves in her life: her church, garden club and bridge. As she traveled the world, she supported Baptist mission activities and missionaries. She was very active in Tallowood Baptist Church, Baptist World Alliance, as well as several other religious organizations. Some of her proud achievements were winning the silver medal in the Chelsea Flower show (London) in 2004, being chairman of the Smokey Bear-Woodsy Owl yearly competition, and her many years of design and judging flower shows. She was also a Life Master Bridge player. Always proud of her family, she is survived by 4 children: Paul (wife Judy), Debbie, Marianne and Stephen; 3 grandchildren: Brandon (wife Rachel), Aimee and Emma, and a great grandson, Maddox. She wants no one to morn her passing as she lived her life to the fullest, doing it her way, and was looking forward to meeting her maker. Many thanks to all of those she depended upon from St. Mary's Lane, The Terrace, Autumn Grove and Tallowood Baptist Church. A celebration of her life will be held at Tallowood Baptist Church on Saturday November 30 at 11:00. Find A Grave Memorial# 8002354, posted in Oct 2003, shows Sam J Poythress was b.18 Sep 1919; d.14 Oct 2003; buried at Forest Park Cemetery in The Woodlands, Montgomery Co, TX. Sam's obit, as seen at Legacy.com & published in Houston [TX] Chronicle on Oct. 17, 2003: Sam J. Poythress SAM J. POYTHRESS passed away October 14, 2003 in The Woodlands, Texas. He was born in Shreveport, Louisiana on September 18, 1919. Sam grew up in Shreveport and graduated from Fair Park High School. He was awarded a scholarship to LSU in Baton Rouge and received a B.S. Degree in Petroleum Engineering and Geology. He entered the United States Army just prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor and rose to the rank of 1st. Lieutenant. Sam served as a combat officer in North Africa, Italy and Southern France. Sam received the Soldier's Medal, Bronze Star with oak leaf cluster and the Purple Heart. After military service, he joined the Gulf Oil Corporation. He lived and worked in South America, West Africa, the near East, the Far East, Australia and Europe. After retirement, he returned to Shreveport, but he continued to work as an independent petroleum geologist in North America. While living in Houston, he coached softball and other youth sports. Sam was a Charter Member of Tallowood Baptist Church. He is survived by his children, Paul and his wife Judy and their son Brandon of The Woodlands, TX. Debbie Anderson and her husband, Ray of Santa Rosa Beach, FL, Marianne Radding and her husband Bill and their children, Aimee and Emma of Austin,TX, and Stephen Poythress of Austin, TX. Graveside services will be Friday October 17, 2003 at Centuries Memorial Park in Shreveport La. at 2:00 P.M. For information you may contact Centuries Funeral Home @ 318-686-4334 | 12/02/13 10:40:11 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP Michael Craig Poythress, NC, January 2014 | Barbara Neal | Our condolences to the friends, and entire family and extended family of this young man (including some who've subscribed to our Poythress List thru the years). As I understand this line, going back from the grandfather mentioned in the obit (John C [Clinton] Poythress) includes the following, and I would welcome corrections if this listing of ancestors is not correct: - g-gparents: William Oliver Poythress & Lessie Maud Hoyle - gg-gparents: Joseph Sidney Poythress & Lucy Eva Malvina Stainback - ggg-gparents: John Lewis Poythress & Tabitha Ann Nunn - (I'm not sure this connection has yet been proved) Edward Poythress & Mahaly Nance - (again, not sure this connection has yet been proved, either) Lewis Poythress & Elizabeth /Patsey /Betsey Giles Part of Craig's obit info seen at Dignity Memorial, which was also in the [Raleigh, NC] News & Observer, Jan. 4 to Jan. 12, 2014: Michael Craig Poythress, 32, of Holly Springs, passed away, Thursday, January 2, 2014 at his home. Craig was born February 19, 1981 in Wake County, NC. He attended Apex High School and was a 1999 graduate of Cary High School. Craig was also a graduate of NC State University and was employed as a project manager with Poythress Commercial Contractors. He was a loving husband, father, son, brother and friend to many. He was preceded in death by his grandparents, John C. Poythress... Craig is survived by his wife, Heather Poythress; son, Grayson Poythress; parents, Terry and Carol Poythress; grandmother, Joanne Poythress; brother, Steve Poythress; nephew, Cody Poythress; niece, Riley Poythress ... and numerous supporting aunts, uncles, cousins and friends. ... The family would like to thank the staff of the Preston Robert Tisch Brain Tumor Center at Duke University Medical Center for their care and support. | 01/25/14 9:21:57 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] RIP Michael Craig Poythress, NC, January 2014 | Crystal Marvin | My deepest condolences to Michael's family. He will be missed on the Poythress page. Crystal | 01/27/14 7:17:49 |
| [POYTHRESS] Sup, POYTHRESS-L | Debbie Poythress-Concepcion | http://soccerformula.com/images/vimeo.php?vmuh1242vasz Debbie Poythress-Concepcion Wed, 5 Feb 2014 22:34:12 When you're swimming in the creek, And an eel bites your cheek, That's a moray! | 02/05/14 3:34:12 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP Gene Michael Poythress of Richmond Hill, GA | Barbara Neal | Our condolences to the family & friends of this fellow, who I understand is a cousin of Bud, of our Poythress List [fyi, Richmond Hill is located just southwest of Savannah, along I-95]. 3 obits seen for him thanks to Legacy.com on 9 Feb 2014: = = = Published in Savannah Morning News on Feb. 8, 2014: Gene Poythress Gene Michael Poythress - RICHMOND HILL - Gene Michael Poythress of Richmond Hill, GA, passed away on Wednesday, February 5, 2014. Mike was born in Savannah, GA., on September 3, 1953 to Gene Doyle and Mary Ann Poythress. He graduated from Windsor Forest High School in 1971. He was employed with MacAljon, In., in construction for more than 25 years. He is preceded in death by his wife, Diane Kemp Poythress and his mother, Mary Ann Poythress. He is survived by his son, Brett Michael Poythress; his father, Gene Doyle Poythress; his siblings, Susan Poythress MacMillan (Ben), Greg Poythress, Kathy Poythress Lawhon (John); his nieces and nephews, Heather MacMillan Fountain (Corey), Meredith MacMillan Dyer (Andy), Brandon and Joshua Lawhon and Alex Poythress; and a fabulous group of aunts, uncles, cousins, and many friends. Visitation will be held Sunday, February 9, 2014 at 1:30 p.m. with a Memorial Service to follow at 3:00 p.m. at the Richmond Hill Funeral Home with the Reverend Dr. Clark Hubbard officiating. Burial will be held at Burnt Church Cemetery in Richmond Hill. We pray he is finally at Peace! Richmond Hill Funeral Home www.coxrichmondhillfh.com 912-756-7575 Savannah Morning News February 8, 2014 Please sign our Obituary Guest Book at savannahnow.com/obituaries. = = = Published in BryanCountyNews from Feb. 7 to Feb. 14, 2014 Gene Michael Poythress Richmond Hill Gene Michael Poythress, 60, passed away on Wednesday, Feb. 5, 2014. He was born Sept. 3, 1953, in Savannah to Gene Doyle and Mary Ann Poythress. He graduated from Windsor Forest High School in 1971. He was employed with MacAljon, Ind., in construction for more than 25 years. He was preceded in death by his wife, Diane Kemp Poythress and his mother, Mary Ann Poythress. He is survived by his son, Brett Michael Poythress; his father, Gene Doyle Poythress; his siblings, Susan Poythress MacMillan (Ben), Greg Poythress and Kathy Poythress Lawhon (John); his nieces and nephews, Heather MacMillan Fountain (Corey), Meredith MacMillan Dyer (Andy), Brandon Lawhon, Joshua Lawhon and Alex Poythress; and a fabulous group of aunts, uncles, cousins and many friends. A memorial service is at 3 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 9, at Richmond Hill Funeral Home Chapel with the Rev. Dr. Clark Hubbard officiating. Burial will be in Burnt Church Cemetery in Richmond Hill. Visitation is an hour and a half prior to the service at the funeral home. The family prays he is finally at peace. Arrangements are by Richmond Hill Funeral Home. = = = >From http://www.meaningfulfunerals.net for Richmond Hill Funeral Home, 8901 Ford Ave; Richmond Hill, GA 31324 (912) 756-7575: Michael Poythress (September 3, 1953 - February 5, 2014) Richmond Hill-Gene Michael Poythress of Richmond Hill, GA., passed away on Wednesday, February 5, 2014. Mike was born in Savannah, GA., on September 3, 1953 to Gene Doyle and Mary Ann Poythress. He graduated from Windsor Forest High School in 1971. He was employed with MacAljon, In., in construction for more than 25 years. He is preceded in death by his wife, Diane Kemp Poythress and his mother, Mary Ann Poythress. He is survived by his son, Brett Michael Poythress; his father, Gene Doyle Poythress; his siblings, Susan Poythress MacMillan (Ben), Greg Poythress, Kathy Poythress Lawhon (John); his nieces and nephews, Heather MacMillan Fountain (Corey), Meredith MacMillan Dyer (Andy), Brandon and Joshua Lawhon and Alex Poythress; and a fabulous group of aunts, uncles, cousins, and many friends. Visitation will be held Sunday, February 9, 2014 at 1:30 p.m. with a Memorial Service to follow at 3:00 p.m. at the Richmond Hill Funeral Home with the Reverend Dr. Clark Hubbard officiating. Burial will be held at Burnt Church Cemetery in Richmond Hill. We pray he is finally at Peace! Richmond Hill Funeral Home www.coxrichmondhillfh.com PH: 912-756-7575 | 02/09/14 10:42:25 |
| [POYTHRESS] Sarah Ann nee Simpson Poythress (1831-1919) marr Russell King Poythress, Troup Co, GA | Barbara Neal | Hi Patrick - with a copy to our Poythress List of subscribers - It's great to hear from you. How neat that you live in the house in England that her family came to America from. I'd be thrilled to learn whatever more you can tell me about Sarah. It's great to learn her year of birth from your email heading, for example. Through the years, I collected a lot of info on their children. I'll have to delve back into the info I have, in order to be sure, but from just recalling "off the top of my head" I am not sure I know of any of their 4 children possibly having living descendants at this point. I'm sorry I've had to be immersed in other demands on my time today, and I will be again tomorrow at least through much of the day, but hopefully I may have some time tomorrow or Friday, to allow my delving back into this branch of the Poythress family to see what I can share with you. If it would be okay with you, I'd appreciate both your and my compiled info being posted in emails with copies going to the Poythress List of email subscribers, as this email does. The advantage of doing that, is that messages copying the Poythress List are automatically archived and searchable later -- and it is apparently through one or more of those emails that you found me. One never knows when (sooner, or later) some possible descendant of Sarah's might see the archived email, and attempt to contact the person who wrote the email. Our Poythress List has emails that have been archived since March 1995. We also have a Poythress researchers' website, to which many of us contributed info through the years: poythress.net At the top edge of the website, are several links. The one on the right, "Message Archives" has 2 ways of searching the archives -- one just chronologically, and the other where you can specify Keyword(s) to search. In the advanced search of Keywords, it is most helpful to put your search term, or names, in the "Body" rather than the "Subject" field. You can narrow down dates or not. Back at the poythress.net homepage, you'll see many other things available, including a link on the right end of the line about "Poythress Discussion List" leading one to a page where he or she can subscribe to the List. The List has not been as active in the last couple of years, as it was in earlier years, so even by subscribing your In-Box will not be swamped. (I believe that link also tells one how to post a message to the List if one is not subscribed.) Our volunteer webmaster has long had a very intense "day job" and thus not had enough time to post all that he would like to add, to the webpage, but even so, much info is available at the website. I promise I will write more re the family soon, and I really look forward to learning more about Sarah's family and the story you've researched re how they came to America in 1846. Thank you so much, Patrick, for getting in touch! Best regards, Barbara | 02/12/14 3:11:08 |
| [POYTHRESS] 2nd try Sarah Ann nee Simpson Poythress (1831-1919) marr Russell King Poythress, Troup Co, GA | Barbara Neal | Hi Patrick - with a copy to our Poythress List of subscribers - It's great to hear from you. How neat that you live in the house in England that her family came to America from. I'd be thrilled to learn whatever more you can tell me about Sarah. It's great to learn her year of birth from your email heading, for example. Through the years, I collected a lot of info on their children. I'll have to delve back into the info I have, in order to be sure, but from just recalling "off the top of my head" I am not sure I know of any of their 4 children possibly having living descendants at this point. I'm sorry I've had to be immersed in other demands on my time today, and I will be again tomorrow at least through much of the day, but hopefully I may have some time tomorrow or Friday, to allow my delving back into this branch of the Poythress family to see what I can share with you. If it would be okay with you, I'd appreciate both your and my compiled info being posted in emails with copies going to the Poythress List of email subscribers, as this email does. The advantage of doing that, is that messages copying the Poythress List are automatically archived and searchable later -- and it is apparently through one or more of those emails that you found me. One never knows when (sooner, or later) some possible descendant of Sarah's might see the archived email, and attempt to contact the person who wrote the email. Our Poythress List has emails that have been archived since March 1995. We also have a Poythress researchers' website, to which many of us contributed info through the years: poythress [dot] net At the top edge of the website, are several links. The one on the right, "Message Archives" has 2 ways of searching the archives -- one just chronologically, and the other where you can specify Keyword(s) to search. In the advanced search of Keywords, it is most helpful to put your search term, or names, in the "Body" rather than the "Subject" field. You can narrow down dates or not. Back at the homepage, you'll see many other things available, including a link on the right end of the line about "Poythress Discussion List" leading one to a page where he or she can subscribe to the List. The List has not been as active in the last couple of years, as it was in earlier years, so even by subscribing your In-Box will not be swamped. (I believe that link also tells one how to post a message to the List if one is not subscribed.) Our volunteer webmaster has long had a very intense "day job" and thus not had enough time to post all that he would like to add, to the webpage, but even so, much info is available at the website. I promise I will write more re the family soon, and I really look forward to learning more about Sarah's family and the story you've researched re how they came to America in 1846. Thank you so much, Patrick, for getting in touch! Best regards, Barbara | 02/12/14 3:30:53 |
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| Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 5 | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | Hi Barbara, If this is of any help, I posted something abt this Russell K. Poythress a few years back, notation abt the Confederate Citizens file. And I remember it was asked who might be related on that thread. I thought Maynard replied back who would be related. Julie | 02/13/14 12:39:16 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP Jeraldine nee Poythress Prather in GA d. 4 Feb 2014 | Barbara Neal | Our condolences to the family and friends of Jeraldine 'Jerry' nee Poythress Prather, whose cousin is one of our Poythress List subscribers. Before reading her obit, I had not previously heard of "Progessive Supranuclear Palsy." Basically the same obits [below] were seen at both the website of the Cremation Society of GA, csog.com, and the website of the Jackson [GA] Progress-Argus, jacksonprogress-argus.com, with only slight difference including abbreviations of dates, and being that she was listed at the csog website as "Jeraldine Poythress-Prather; Born in Effingham, GA on Jul. 31, 1932; Departed on Feb. 4, 2014 and resided in Jackson, GA" and listed at the jacksonprogress-argus.com website as "Prather, Jeraldine 'Jerry' Poythress [which was posted as of Weds 12 Feb 2014]" The obit(s): Jeraldine "Jerry" Poythress Prather, 81, of Jackson, GA passed away peacefully surrounded by the love of her family the morning of February 4, 2014. She was born on July 13, 1932 in Effingham County Georgia to Jerry and Bessie Edwards Poythress. She met her soul mate, Orrin Lee Prather, Jr., while in Atlanta for nurse's training. On June 10, 1952, they were married. Though they moved several times throughout their 61 years of marriage, they settled on Jackson Lake in 1998. She is preceded in death by her parents, brother Charles Poythress, and son-in-law Michael Taylor. She is survived by her husband, 'Lee'; sister Jackie Miller (Lester); brother James 'Henry' Poythress (Louisa); son David Lee Prather (Susan); and daughter Vicki Prather Taylor. She was known affectionately as 'Peaches' by her grandchildren Angela Marie Taylor, Amanda Prather Seaman (Craig), Kevin Michael Taylor, Travis Lee Prather (Lindsay), and Valerie Taylor Dalziel (Ben) and great-grandson Hendrix Lee Prather. She is also survived by several nieces and nephews. A private service was held at a lakeside pavilion with her family. Donations can be made in her memory to CurePSP (Progessive Supranuclear Palsy) at www.psp.org or by calling 1-800-457-4777. | 02/15/14 3:07:42 |
| [POYTHRESS] Likely why Sarah Simpson came to LaGrange, GA where she married Poythress | Barbara Neal | The below info about Joseph Poythress having been a founding trustee of a school for females (when his eldest daughter was age 9), was learned from a book quote, to which our Poythress List was introduced in an (archived) email dated 21 April 1997, captioned "Poythresses in Troup Co, Ga" which email was written by Caroline. [At the bottom of this email, I'll quote from more of Caroline's 1997 email, which contains other info about Joseph, and about Charles E Poythress, eldest son of Russell King Poythress & Sarah Ann Simpson, who was born 1852.] The book Caroline mentioned is THE HISTORY OF TROUP COUNTY (Georgia), by Clifford L. Smith; printed by Foot and Davies Company of Atlanta in 1933; Dr. Smith had degrees from Emory University and the University of Chicago. Joseph Poythress (father of Russell K and others) was one of the founding trustees, and the president of the trustees, for LaGrange Female Academy, for which the Charter was granted on 26 Dec 1831. fyi, that school later became (and still is) LaGrange College, a regionally well regarded institutution. This Charter was granted when Joseph's eldest daughter was 9. >From the history section of the college's website (lagrange.edu) on 26 Aug 2009: "The oldest private college in Georgia, LaGrange has a rich history spanning 175 years. In 1831, LaGrange began as a women's academy that was housed in a large white building just across the street from our current campus. A few years later, in 1842, we moved to our present location on "the Hill," which is the highest geographical point in the city of LaGrange. We changed our name to LaGrange Female College in 1851, then to LaGrange College in 1934. The school officially became coed in 1953. LaGrange has retained Methodist ties throughout its history. Today LaGrange College is part of the North Georgia Conference of the United Methodist Church." The part of Caroline's 1997 email that pertains to the book she introduced us to: Subject: Poythresses in Troup Co, Ga Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:56:41 -0400 (EDT) This weekend, I was working on [her other family lines] in Troup County (La Grange) Georgia: I found POYTHRESSES {who are not to be found in that side of the family} >>>>>><<<<<< THE HISTORY OF TROUP COUNTY(Ga), by Clifford L. Smith was printed by Foot and Davies Company of Atlanta in 1933, Dr. Smith had degrees from Emory University and the University of Chicago. I. In 1829-30 the court house was built in La Grange, County Seat. "Among the early citizens who carried on businesses on the square were:" (here follows a list including) JOSEPH POYTHRESS. (p.49) II. A list of men who fought in the World War (when there was only one) from Troup Co includes: TALLEY POYTHRESS (p.252) {in 1933 when the book was written, they still separated the white soldiers from the "colored" ones. This one was white, or accepted as so. [Barbara's note Feb 2014: I don't know who Talley Poythress was] III. Under the heading: Officials and Old Citizens of Troup County:(pg 292) POYTHRESS, CHARLES E. - b. Sep 27, 1852; d. Sep. 10, 1918; m. Martha E. - b.Apr 6, 1858; d.Sep 24, 1926; Tax Collector 1913-18; 1920-25 Hillview Annex (burial place, addition to Hillview Cemetary) POYTHRESS, JOSEPH - b.1789;d.Apr 14, 1853; m. Mary B. b. Jun 30, 1798; d. Sep 29, 1854; Trustee of LaGrange Female Academy, 1831; the old home is {1933} site of the LaGrange Post Office. - Hillview Cemetary IV. Under the heading : Acts of Legislature: LaGrange Female Academy, Dec. 26,1831: an Act to Incorporate Certain Academies and to Appoint Trustees for said Academies: Sec. 4 lists Trustees: Wilson Williams, Julius Alford, Rufus Broome, James Herring, John E. Gage, William A. Redd and JOSEPH POYTHRESS and their successors in office be they declared to be a body corporate, under the and style of the Trustees of the LaGrange Female Academy, in the county of Troup.... {Caroline's Note:} The said academy was established by the Georgia Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church South, {which had split over the issue of letting a bishop's wife own a slave left to her by her father.} In 1847 the LaGrange Female Institute became the LaGrange Female College with the ability to grant degrees. Of course this information may be nothing but it could be someone's link to their Poythress line from a "misplaced person."... [end of quoted portion of Caroline's 1997 email] | 02/16/14 3:38:33 |
| [POYTHRESS] Family of Russell K Poythress & Sarah Ann Simpson, who married in Troup Co, GA about 1851 | Barbara Neal | Eldest of the 4 children of Russell King Poythress & Sarah Ann nee Simpson was: Charles E Poythress. - Info re Charles from an image of his Death Certificate, seen at FamilySearch.org: LaGrange, Troup Co, GA Death Certificate stamped # 379, lists cause of death at 10:50 p.m. on 10 Sep 1918 as "Paralasys" [sic] for "Mr. C.E. Poythress" married white male, age 65 yrs 11 mo, born 27 Sep 1852 to father R.K. Poythress (who was born in LaGrange, GA) & mother's maiden name shown as Miss Simpson, shown as born "P.A." [I presume this was intended as Pennsylvania, but that is erroneous]. Informant listed as E.T. Poythress [this was Charles' eldest son, Edward T, Sr]; burial on 12 Sep 1918 in LaGrange, GA. - Charles married on 16 Jan 1881 to Martha Elizabeth [nee Evans, born Apr 1855 per 1900 Census]. The marriage date is from records in Forrest Clark Johnson's volumes, "A History of LaGrange, Georgia 1828-1900" (vol.1 of his series of books) and/or his vol.3 "Genealogical and Historical Register of Troup County, Georgia" His series of 5 volumes was published in LaGrange, GA between about 1980 and 1993; in the library where I consulted this, volumes 1 and 3 were bound together. They had 4 children: ... Edward T [Sr] b.5 Jun 1881; marr Eunice Augusta 'Gussie' Darden on 19 Dec 1906; he d.13 Dec 1927. Edward T & Gussie had 2 children: Edward T Jr, who was b.1908 & who d.1 Jun 1985; & Joe Henry, b.1910. ... Charles Henry, b. Dec 1882, per 1900 Census. He was Tax Collector for Troup Co, GA in 1920. ... Grover C, b. Dec 1885 per 1900 Census ... Mattie L, b. Jul 1887, per 1900 Census. 2nd child of Russell King Poythress & Sarah Ann Simpson was Henry C Poythress. Info re Henry C from an image seen at Missouri Secretary of State website [note: Missouri is abbreviated "MO"]: Henry C Poythress' death certificate indicates no residence address for him in West Dallas Township of Webster Co, MO by the Informant (brother of the deceased) Joe Poythress of Ft Worth, Texas. Henry C is shown as a white male, "married" whose wife's name is not sought or given on the form. It shows his age at death was 60 yrs, 3 mo, dying on 27 Jan 1916. His birth is listed as Oct 27, 1855 in Georgia. His occupation is Farmer, with no employer. His father is listed as R.K. Poythress, who was born in GA. His mother's maiden name is listed as Sarah A Simpson, born in England. The place of his "Burial, Cremation, or Removal" is Mt. Olive Cemetery on 28 Jan 1916. The undertaker is shown as C.C. Sherman of Fordland, MO. The Medical Certificate of Death portion certifies that he died 27 Jan 1916, at 11:20 a.m., and that W.J. Rabman[?], M.D. of Fordland, MO, last attended him from 21-27 Jan 1916; he last saw him alive on 26 Jan. The principal cause of death is shown as Lobar Pneumonia which he had for 7 days. No contributory cause is shown. 3rd child of Russell King Poythress & Sarah Ann Simpson was Kate Poythress She was age 4 in 1860 Census (taken as of 1 Jun). Deceased before 15 Apr 1910 (in the 1910 Census, taken as of 15 Apr) in Sarah's enumeration in the Fort Worth, Tarrant Co, TX, household containing only Joseph and his mother Sarah, her line indicated she was mother of 4 children, 3 of whom were then living; since we know that all 3 of her sons, Joseph, Henry C, and Charles E were then living, we thus know that Kate was already deceased) 4th child of Russell K Poythress & Sarah Ann Simpson: Joseph Poythress Info re Joseph from his TX Death Certificate stamped # 29962 from Tarrant Co, TX; - City of Fort Worth; 1611 Alston [Ave] - Jos Poythress; white male of unknown marital status, born Apr [day blank] 1857 in LaGrange, Ga; age 63 years. - Occupation [blank] - Father Joe [sic; Joseph was his grandfather's name; Russell was his father] Poythress, who was born in Ga. - Maiden name of mother "Don't know" who was born in England. - Informant was [his neighbor, and the man who on 22 Jun 1922 Joseph Poythress made Executor in a codicil to his July 1920 will] H.L. Pattie, of 2319 Alston Ave, Ft Worth. - Certificate filed 3 Nov 1922 - Medical Particulars: d. 20 Oct 1922 Certified that attended deceased from Feb 1922 to 20 Oct 1922 and last saw him alive on 20 Oct 1922; death occurred at 6 p.m. that date. - Cause of death: Rheumatoid Arthritis [signed by] E A Walter, M.D. 21 Oct 1922, of Fort Worth. - Place of Burial or Removal - Mt. Olivet [a Ft Worth cemetery] buried 23 Oct 1922 [signed by] undertaker Geo. L Gause, of Ft Worth. | 02/16/14 3:39:24 |
| [POYTHRESS] Estate of Joe Poythress (son of Russell K Poythress & Sarah Ann nee Simpson) | Barbara Neal | Bpn preface note: Years ago, before much (if any) info on Poythress people in Texas or Missouri was viewable online, I saw indexed an Estate for a Joe Poythress in Texas, in Tarrant County (the county in which Ft Worth is located). I ordered a copy of all the contents of the Estate file (really 2 associated files) in hopes of figuring out which Poythress line was involved, and from which earlier state (since so many early settlers had "gone west" when they had exhausted their land and new land was available farther west). Eventually the documents arrived, and I was amazed to see his line went back to Georgia, and that in the documents he named nephews from 2 of his brothers, thus tying the family together quite well. Warning: this is long -- more than 6 pages as a Word document with narrow margins. Any notations in square brackets [like these] are my own. I hope this all fits within the size-limit of emails to our Poythress List of subscribers. I highly recommend printing off the entire email to be able to go back and forth between the documents, over a cup of caffeine. = Probate Court Tarrant Co, TX in the matter of the Estate of Joe Poythress, deceased, Cause No. 1922-7696 and associated Guardianship Cause 1922-8919 for his nephews Frank Franklin Poythress & Albert Joe Poythress, his minor heirs residing in Fordland, Webster Co, Missouri with their mother, Mrs. Manisa Poythress (widow of Joe's brother Henry Poythress) Testator: Joseph (son of RK) POYTHRESS Filed 23 Oct 1922 Loose Old Probate Records, Tarrant Co, TX Copies of both these Loose Record files were received 26 Sep 2009, after they had to be ordered Tarrant County, Texas Probate Court Clerk's Office, Bryan L Thomas, Civil Records Administrator, who had to order them from their Old Records: - Cause No. 1922-7696 Estate of Joe Poythress - Cause No. 1922-8919 Guardianship of Frank Poythress (& Albert Joe Poythress) = = - Cause No. 1922-7696 Estate of Joe Poythress: - in Cause No.7696: packet shows Application for Probate of Will, Codicil &c filed Oct 23, 1922 in Book B-105, p.236 [Will 12 July 1920] State of Texas County of Tarrant: Know all men by these presents; That I -- Joe Poythress, of Fort Worth, Tarrant County, Texas, being of sound and disposing mind and memory, and knowing the uncertainty of life and the certainty of death do make and publish this my last Will and Testament, in words and figures as follows; and hereby revoking all Wills heretofore made my me. First. I give and bequeath unto my two Nephews, Frank Franklin Poythress and Albert Poythress of Fordland, Missouri, the farm upon which they are now living in the State of Missouri, share and share alike, and in case either one does prior to my decease or prior to their attaining the age of Twenty One years, the survivor is to be entitled to the whole of said farm. [Bpn note: these were sons of Joe Poythress' brother Henry Poythress & Manisa Young; Henry had died 27 Jan 1916 and was buried at Mt Olive Cemetery, Fordland, Webster Co, MO per his death certificate] Second. It is my wish and I so direct that Mrs. Manisa Poythress, the mother of said above named Nephews, is to have full care and custody of all of the farm herein bequeathed to them until each of them arrive at the age of Twenty One years. Third. I give and bequeath unto my Aunt Mrs. I. Hulsman [here is inserted above the line "Philadelphia, Pa"] the sum of ($2,000.00) Two Thousand Dollars, providing however that she survives me, and in case she dies prior to my decease then this bequest is to go as burther directed herein. [Bpn note: Mrs. Isabella Hulsmann, per the 1880 Census in Pottsville, Schuylkill Co, PA, was born 1846 in England, where Sara A. nee Simpson, mother of Joe Poythress was also born. Mrs. Hulsmann's husband Gehard Hulsmann, of that same 1880 Census, was born in 1814 in Germany. A Philadelphia City Death Certificate shows that Gerhard Hulsmann died at age 78 on 14 Jan 1892 of Bronchitis & Bright's Disease at Pottsville, PA and was buried at Woodlands Cemetery.] Fourth. I give and bequeath unto my nephews, E.T. Poythress [Bpn note: aka Edward T. Poythress, Sr.] and Charles Henry Poythress of LaGrange, Georgia [Bpn note: these were sons of Joe Poythress' brother Charles E. Poythress & Martha E Evans; Charles had died 10 Sep 1918 and was buried at Hillview Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA], and my Nephews Frank Franklin Poythress and Albert Poythress, of Fordland Missouri, share and share alike, all the rest and residue of whatever estate I may die seized and possessed of, Real, Personal and Mixed, including life insurance in the Maccabees, and to include the bequest of Two Thousand Dollars herein bequeathed unto my Aunt Mrs. I. Hulsman, in case she dies prior to my decease. Fifth. It is my desire and I so direct that no action be had in the Probate Court other than to Probate this my Last Will and Testamnt and file an inventory and appraisement of my estate therein. Sixth. It is my desire and I so direct that E.T. Poythress of LaGrange, Georgia, be nominated and appointed Executor of this my last will and testament and that he be required to give no bond therefor. Seventh. It is my desire and I so direct that in case of the death of any Legatee under the Fourth Subdivision prior to my decease, then the portion devised to any such is to go to their children, in case they have children, but in case they have no children, then it is to go to those surviving of the legatees named herein, share and share alike. Witness my hand this the 12th day of July 1920. (signed) Joe Poythress And we, the witnesses requested to sign our names as witnesses herein by the testator Joe Poythress, each being over the age of 21 years, hereto affix our signatures as such witnesses on the request of said testator, after the foregoing instrument had been reduced to writing and read over to said testator and after he had declared same to be his Last Will and Testament and requested us to sign same as witnesses and we signed same in his presence and in the presence of each other. Witness our hands this the 12th day of July 1920. (signed) B.H.Smith (signed) J.W. Price (signed) J.L. Morris = - in Cause No.7696: [Codicil 20 June 1922] State of Texas County of Tarrant: Whereas, I, -- Joe Poythress of the County of Tarrant and State of Texas have heretofore made my last will, and bearing date of July __ 1920,: Now I do by this writing, which I declare to be a Codicil to my said will, to be taken as a part thereof, hereby ratifying and confirming my said last will save in so far as this codicil changes it, as follows to wit; I give and bequeath unto Mrs Annie Burns the house and lot situated at 1611 Alston Avenue and being Lot 12 Block "B" Bellevue Hill Addition to Fort Worth, Tarrant County, Texas, together with all the household and kitchen furniture contained in building on said premises, save and except some few relics, spoons and so forth, that are left as shown hereafter. [Bpn note: In the 1920 Census for Fort Worth, Tarrant Co, TX, widow Mrs. Annie Burns and her family were renters in the home owned by Joe Poythress, where he resided, at 1611 Alston Ave.] It is my desire that all the money I may have in the bank at Fordland, Webster County, Missouri, be paid to my nephews Frank and Albert Poythress as soon as possible after my decease and without any legal procedings had to obtain same. It is my desire that the old family relics and spoons [here, inserted by hand above the line is: "and my Personal effects"] now in my possession be bequeathed unto my [here, inserted by hand above the line is "nephew" and marked out is the portion of the typed line which had originally read: "two nephews Charles Henry and"] E.T. Poythress, Sr. In case E.T. Poythress, Sr. dies prior to myself, It is my desire and I so direct that all of my estate bequeathed to him, said E.T. Poythress, Sr. be bequeathed unto his two sons E.T. and Joe Henry Poythress. With the exception of the changes made in this my codicil, all the bequests as made in my said last will are to stand as written therein. As my Nephew E.T. Poythress, Sr. is now bedridden and will be unable to attend to the duties of Independent Executor of my said last will, It is my desire and I so direct that H.L. Pattie of Fort Worth, Tarrant County, Texas, be nominated and appointed as Independent Executor of this my last will and codicil and that nothing be required of him save to Probate this my last will and codicil and inventory and appraise my said estate and file same in Probate Court, and I further direct that no bond shall ever be required of him as my said Independent Executor. Witness my hand this the 20th day of June 1922. [here, written in handwriting preceding his signature is the statement "I want a plain and inExpensive funeral" with the "in" of the word "inexpensive" being very hard to read] (signed) Joe Poythress Witnesses. (signed) B.C. Callaway (signed) E.W. Evans = - in Cause No.7696: packet for "Proof of Will" shows Filed Nov 8, 1922 in Book B-105, p.240 - Witness R.H. Smith [Bpn note: we learn from a below document that R.H. Smith was an attorney; he represented H.L. Pattie who had been named by Joe Poythress to be his Executor, and who filed for Probate of the will] appeared in court on 8 Nov 1922, testifying that he knew Joe Poythress for about 20 yrs before his death on 20 Oct 1922, about 2 yrs after making his will dated Jul 12, 1920 which Smith witnessed in the presence of the deceased and witnesses J.W. Price & J.L. Morris. = - in Cause No.7696: packet for "Proof of Codicil" shows Filed Nov 8, 1922, in Book B-105, p.241 - Witnesses E.W. Evans & B.C. Calloway appeared in court on 8 Nov 1922, testifying that they knew Joe Poythress for about 1 and 10 yrs before his death on 20 Oct 1922, about 2 mo. after making Codicil to will dated Jun 20, 1922 which they witnessed in the presence of the deceased and each other. = - in Cause No.7696: label on back of folded document reads: In-Re Estate of Joe Poythress, deceased H.L. Pattie, applicant for Probate of will [written by hand at bottom of that folded panel shows:] Filed Oct 23, 1923, in Book B-105, p.236. - in Cause No.7696: front of typed document reads: State of Texas County of Tarrant: Probate Court, Tarrant County, Texas. Now comes H.L. Pattie, applicant who resides in aforesaid County and State, and makes application for the probate of the written will and codicil of Joe Poythress, deceased and for such application says: -1- That the name of the testator is Joe Poythress, who died a resident citizen of Tarrant County, Texas October 21st 1922, at his residence in said county and state. -2- That said deceased's residence was in such county and that he left a large estate mostly situated in Tarrant County, Texas. -3- That his estate consisted of money, money obligations and real estate of the probably value of $30,000.00 -4- That H.L. Pattie is named as independent executor without bond and that he resides in Tarrant County, Texas. -5- That such executor is not disqualified by law from accepting letters. -6- That said written will and said codicil are filed herewith. Wherefor applicant prays for citation as required by law and for such other matter as provided by law for probate of wills where estate is over $1,000.00 and for such other relief as by law and equity the case is entitled to and general and special relief. (signed) R.H. Smith, Attorney for applicant = - in Cause No.7696: packet (or back of legal form?) label shows: issued 23 Oct 1922 and filed in Book B-105, p.239. Noted at the bottom of the label is name & address: R.H. Smith 2021 N Main St. - in Cause No.7696: The legal form, "Notice of Application for Probate of Will" gives notice To all persons interested in the estate of Joe Poythress Deceased, H.L. Pattie has filed in the County Court of Tarrant County, Texas, an application to probate the will and codicil of Joe Poythress, deceased, which will be heard at the next term of said Court, commencing the first Monday in November, 1922, at the Court House thereof, in the City of Fort Worth, at which time all persons interested in said estate may appear and contest said application, should they desire to do so. - in Cause No.7696: Sheriff's Return dated 23 Oct 1922, and the accompanying Affidavit of Publication dated 2 Nov 1922, show that advertised twice (on Oct 25, 1922 and Nov 1, 1922) in the Fort Worth Daily Live Stock Reporter, a newspaper of general circulation, was the required Legal Notice regarding Probate of the estate of Joe Poythress in Tarrant Co, TX. Copies of the darkened newspaper clippings were too dark to read in their entirety, but they appeared to just be a general notice for the benefit of anyone having an interest in the estate. = - in Cause No.7696: form appointing H.L. Pattie on 8 Nov 1922 as independent executor, and ordering appraisal of the estate by E.W. Evans, B.C. Calloway, and C.T. Prewitt. = - in Cause No.7696: Oath of Executor, back showing filed Nov 8, 1922 in Book B-105, p.242: on the form, it shows H.L. Pattie solemnly swore on 8 Nov 1922 that the writing offered for probate was the last will and codicil of Joe Poythress so far as he knew & that he would well & truly perform all the duties of Executor. = - in Cause No.7696: label on back of folded document shows it is the Inventory and Appraisement, filed Nov 8, 1922, in Book B-105, p.506 - in Cause No.7696: front of document: Inventory and Appraisement No.7696 Estate of Joe Poythress, deceased. In County Court of Tarrant County, Texas Inventory and appraisement of the estate of Joe Poythress, deceased, produced before the undersigned appraisors, on the 8th day of November 1922, by H.L. Pattie, Executor of said Will and Codicil of the Estate of Joe Poythress, deceased. Joe Poythress, deceased having been a bachelor. [In the inventory & appraisement, are 3 pieces of real estate: -- $1,800 -- Lot 50 by 125 ft / Block 5 Van Zandts [likely in Ft Worth] -- $1,500 -- SW 1/4 of NW 1/4 of Sec.32 Twp 22 R 18 in Webster Co, MO [the farm he left to his nephews Frank F. Poythress & Albert Joe Poythress] -- $4,000 -- Lot 12 Block B Bellevue Hghts Add. [the Ft Worth residence address where he lived when he died, which he left to his renter Mrs. Annie Burns] [Notes payable to Joe Poythress listed included two Judgments, listed at top here:] -- $213.12 [from date] May 20th, 1909: Joe Poythress, Judgment vs J.F. Dunlap [the following is likely the legal reference to a matter handled by a Justice of the Peach] 13.632 J.P. -- $1,000 [no date or location] Joe Poythress vs. Minnie I Evans et al: Judgment and liens on valueless real estate [other notes listed:] -- $800[? hard to read amt since typed on fold & paper not flat when copied] Walter B Morgan dated Nov 1, 1918 [or 1916?] -- $1,500 Mrs. Joe W Burney, widow, two notes both dated Jul 7 1922, one for $1,000 & one $500, both due 1 year from date -- $150.45 John [H or M or N] Darter Nov 20, 1920 which was due 6 mo after date -- $1,500 Elmer Stinnett & Ella Stinnett dated Jun 25, 1918 due Jun 25, 1923 -- $285.37 Andy Nelson 9/19/1920 -- $650 Andy Nelson 11/13/1918 Extended 1 year if int. pd. -- $200 Joe L Carter Jul 27/22 [1922] Secured by Auto 60 days -- $50 M A Gentry Sep 20/22 [1922] Secured by Victrola &ct [The following notes are all "Secured V.L." with no indication of what/who V.L. stands for] -- $1200 C L Machett May 15/22 [1922] -- $1702.86 Lamar Whaley Mar 5/20 [1920] -- $573.57 Conrad Schmitt Sr. Jul 1/19 [1919] -- $13.83 C.M. Jones & Cynthia Jones May 27/16 [1916] -- $1351.85 C.L. Monk & J.D. Brumbeler Aug 7/19 [1919] -- $420.71 Frank M. Cloud Apr 29/18 [1918] -- $746.18 W.M. Thompson Apr 16/19 [1919] [other assets listed:] -- $46.31 - 11 Savings Certificates 4.27 each -- ___ 1 Interest coupon 4th Liberty bond B00252582 -- $30.38 Cash on hand Silver 9.38 Gold 8.00 Currency 13.00 -- $248.34 Cash in Bank ["$19,201.97" is the handwritten total, though the above figures do not add up to exactly that amount.] We, the undersigned appraisers, solemnly swear that the foregoing is a full and fair appraisement of the estate of Joe Poythress, deceased produced before by the executor. (signed) B.C. Callaway; E.W. Grant; C.J. Prewitt Sworn to and subscribed to before me, this the 8th day of November 1922 (signed) R.H.Smith, Notary Public, Tarrant Co, Texas I, -- H.L. Pattie do solemnly swear that the foregoing inventory and list is a full and complete inventory and list of the property and claims of Joe Poythress deceased, that have come to my knowledge. (signed) H.L. Pattie Sworn to and subscribed to before me, this the 8th day of November 1922 (signed) R.H.Smith, Notary Public, Tarrant Co, Texas = - in Cause No.7696: Order dated Nov 8, 1922 showing the Court approved the inventory & appraisement = = = - Cause No. 1922-8919 included the following sheets: -- Application addressed to the Honorable Probate Court of Webster County, Missouri, dated 24 Mar 1923 for J.H. Mayfield to be appointed Guardian and Curator for Minors, both residing in that county: - Frank F. Poythress, aged 15 years - Albert J. Poythress, aged 13 years "named as heirs in the will of Joseph Poythress, deceased, filed and recorded in Probate Minute Book 105, page 237, in County of Tarrant, State of Texas" -- 7 April 1923 statement signed by Franklin Poythress, a minor 15 yrs of age, requested J.H. Mayfield of Fordland, Webster Co, MO, as his Curator (witnessed by A. Cawthra) -- 17 April 1923 statement signed by Mrs. M. Poythress, mother of Franklin Poythress and Albert Poythress, minors, requested J.H. Mayfield of Fordland, Webster Co, MO, be named as Guardian and Curator of her above named two sons, and waived her right to act. (signed by her mark; attested by Seth V Conrad) -- Bond of Guardian and Curator dated 16 Apr 1923 was executed in presence of Probate Judge in Webster Co, MO, and was filed for record on 2 May 1923 in Webster Co, MO Book 3, at p.41: We, J.H. Mayfield as Principal, and R.F. Olson, J.R. Templeton, A. Cawthra, W.D. Huff, and E.W. Nash as Securities are held and firmly bound up to the State of Missouri, in the sum of $17,200 on the condition that the said J.H. Mayfield had been appointed by the Probate Court of Webster Co, MO, Guardian of the person and Curator of the Estate of Frank F Poythress and Albert J Poythress, of said county... -- 7 Aug 1923 Guardian's Inventory & Affidavit showed all the Goods and Chattels, Rights and Credits of Frank Franklin Poythress and Albert Joe Poythress, minors, that had come to the possession or knowledge of J.H. Mayfield, Guardian and Curator of their estate: Real Estate [blank] [other] $1500 Note & deed of trust, Elmer Stinnett & Ella Stinnett $200 Check [not further identified] -- 3 May 1926 Inventory and Appraisement in Guardianship of Frank F Poythress & Albert J Poythress, minors listed by J H Mayfield: - $500 for Lot 5 Block 1 McConnell's Addition to the City of Fort Worth, TX, the interest being one half interest in same - __ No personal estate -List of claims being a one half inerest in notes, Judgments and accounts due said wards: - 1 note of Andy Nelson $300, the one half being 150 - 1 note of C M Machet $335 one half being 167.50 - 1 note of Walter Morgan $1000 1 half being 500 - Judgment against J F Dunlap worthless - Judgment against J L Carter worthless - Judgment against Minnie Ivy worthless - Note against J H Darter barred by limitation - Total $1317.50 (signed by J H Mayfield & notarized) -- 5 May 1926 Tarrant Co, TX County Judge Gwinnett[?] Moon signed an order approving the report of the inventory, appraisement and list of claims of the estates of Frank F Poythress & Albert J Poythress, minors made by R.D. Goodman, F.O. James and W.L. Ratliff who have hereto been appointed by the court to appraise said estates, and the court having examined the same, ordered said report be approved -- 26 May 1926 J.H. Mayfield as Principal and securities Seth V Conrad, R.H. Smith, D.A. Gill, and H.L. Pattie gave Bond in the amount of $3,000 for Mayfield to serve as Guardian in Tarrant Co, TX for Frank F Poythress & Albert J Poythress, minors. -- 4 Jun 1926 Appraisers swore above was full and fair (signed & notarized) -- 16 Jun 1926 .. came on to be heard the application of J.H.Mayfield, guardian of the Estate of Frank F Poythress and Albert J Poythress, minors filed herein on 5 Jun 1926 for leave to Intervene in a certain suit pending in the 48th District Court of Tarrant Co, TX wherein a Partition of joint property of said minors and the other joint owners is sought and it appearing to the Court that it is right and proper for said application to be granted and that it is for the interest of the said estate of said minors for said guardian to so Intervene... decreed by the Court that the Guardian, H.H. Mayfield Intervene in said cause... and protect the interest of said minors... -- undated form signed by Seth V Conrad, Attorney for Guardian J.H. Mayfield, Guardian of person & estate of minors Frank F Poythress & Albert J Poythress: That there is a certain suit now pending in the 48th District of Tarrant Co, TX, wherein a partition is sought of the estate of which the aforesaid minors have an undivided one half interest... [suit not further identified] | 02/16/14 4:01:15 |
| [POYTHRESS] 1860 & 1870 Census - family of Russell K Poythress & Sarah A nee Simpson | Barbara Neal | 1860 Troup Co, GA Census - Dwelling 324, Family 294, Houston Post Office, Pools Mills, Troup Co, GA, p.46 [handwritten in upper right corner], p.220 [handwritten at upper left] enumerated 11 June 1860: - Poythress, R. K., age 37, male, [occupation blank], real estate valuation $2,000, personal estate $25,000 valuation, b.GA [Bpn notes that in the Timeline for the family of Joseph & Mary Poythress prepared by Maynard Poythress, Maynard noted that in the 1860 Census R K Poythress owned 31 slaves -- thus the personal estate valuation] - S.A. age 30, female, born England; - C.E. [Bpn note: Charles E] age 8, male, born GA; - Henry, age 6, male, born GA; - Kate, age 4, female, born GA [Kate is clearly listed as age 4, in spite of the fact that Johnson's Troup Co, GA volume listed her as born 1858, and in spite of the Timeline prepared by Maynard Poythress, in which the 1860 Census entry for this family's household mistakenly indicated that her age was shown as 6, likely a typographical error] - Joseph, age 1, male, born GA. 1870 Census for LaGrange, Troup Co, GA, Page 10 [handwritten page #]; Dwelling 105, Family 105, Lines 32-37, enumerated on 1 June [corrected from "2 June" earlier written] - Poythress, R.R. [should be R.K; this is Russell King Poythress, son of Joseph Poythress & Mary King], 47 M W Farmer, $1,000 real estate [no personal estate value listed] b.GA - [Poythress], S.A. age 38, F W Music Teacher [Note: taught music at LaGrange Female College], $2,000 personal estate, b.England, father and mother foreign born - [Poythress], C.E. [note: Charles E., b. 27 Sep 1852 Troup Co], 17 M W Farming, b.GA, mother foreign born, attended school within the year - [Poythress], H.E. 14, M W b.GA, mother foreign born, attended school within the year - [Poythress], Kate 12 F W b.GA, mother foreign born, attended school within the year - [Poythress], Jos. [Note: Joseph], 11, M W b.GA, mother foreign born, attended school within the year | 02/16/14 5:35:56 |
| [POYTHRESS] 1930 Missouri Census for widow & sons of Henry C Poythress | Barbara Neal | 1930 Census for East Dallas, Webster Co, MO, Enum Dist 4, Sheet 2-A, Household 30, Lines 18-20 [NARA Publ T626, Film 1251; FHL Film 2340986, Digital Folder 4660844, image 301]: - Poythress, Mazina, head, female, 61 yrs, b.TN - Poythress, Frank, son, male, 22, b.MO - Poythress, Albert J, son, male, 20, b.MO | 02/16/14 5:38:15 |
| [POYTHRESS] Burial / death info re relatives of Russell K Poythress & 2 mystery women | Barbara Neal | Further below is burial info for various members of the extended family of Joseph Poythress & his wife Mary King. At the top here, is info re the deaths of the 2 Missouri sons of Henry C [or E] Poythress [the 2nd son of Russell K Poythress] -- the Missouri nephews of Joe Poythress, of the 1922 Probate record in Tarrant Co, TX: - From the Social Security Death Index: Frank Poythress, b.20 Dec 1906; d.27 Mar 1997; zip of last residence 65713 (Niangua, Webster Co, MO); his Social Security # was issued in MO. - I was amazed to find that the Frank's brother, Albert, actually died in Georgia! even though, as shown further below, he was buried in Missouri: GA Death Index 1933-1998, indexed at FamilySearch as follows [no image was yet available when I found this]: Albert Poythress, d.23 Dec 1983 in Laurens Co, GA, age 74, white male, Certificate 45225 FindAGrave.com is a very helpful free website. At its homepage, on the right side of it, you can "Search 112 million grave records" OR the next choice is "Search for a cemetery" [notations below in square brackets are mine]. Many members of this extended family have FindAGrave memorials posted, thanks to many dedicated volunteers across the country. In LaGrange, Troup Co, GA: -- At the original Hillview Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA: - Joseph Poythress, b.[no date indicated; estimate he was born about 1788]; d.14 Apr 1853; buried at Hillview Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial# 95403842, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 15 Aug 2012 [no photo of marker] His Memorial is linked to his wife: - Mary Poythress [wife of above Joseph; her maiden name was King], b.30 Jun 1798; d.29 Sep 1854; buried at Hillview Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial # 95403870, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 15 Aug 2012 [no photo of marker] Her Memorial is linked to her son: - John H Poythress [4th child of Joseph & Mary above; his middle name was Hardiman or Hardaman] , b.18 May 1826; d.24 Feb 1846; buried at Hillview Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial # 95403892, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 15 Aug 2012 [no photo of marker] His Memorial is linked to his mother, above. - Mary L nee Poythress Barnard [BPN NOTE: This is Mary Lorena nee Poythress, daughter of Russell's younger brother Frank, who was born 4 Apr 1836 & died 2 Oct 1859, and Frank's wife Caroline nee Ware; after Frank died Caroline married John T Gay in 1863], b.3 Sep 1856; d.10 Sep 1887; buried at Hillview Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial # 95032781, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 8 Aug 2012 [photo of her impressive marker, showing her as: Mary L Poythress / Wife of J.M. Barnard / Born Sept 3, 1856 / Died Sept 10, 1887, is included]. Mary L's Memorial is linked to her husband: - John M Barnard, b.2 Mar 1848; d.20 May 1919; buried at Hillview Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial # 95495591, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 17 Aug 2012 [photo of his impressive marker, which shows no dates, is included] His Memorial is linked to his wife (above). Memorial also includes this info: Contributor Judy K. Brantley/Wilson (#46578531), states that the city records are incorrect and provided the dates shown on the memorial. City records provided by the sexton have that he died 30 May 1919. Major cavalry battalion; cotton mill manager; railroad and express agent. -- And at Hillview East Cemetery [apparently an expansion of the original, above], LaGrange, Troup Co, GA, 6 more Poythress names: - Charles E Poythress [son of Russell K Poythress], b.27 Sep 1852; d.10 Sep 1918; buried Hillview East Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial # 94692666, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 02 Aug 2012 [no photo of marker; no links to other burials] - Martha E Poythress [nee Evans; wife of Charles E Poythress], b.6 Apr 1855; d.24 Sep 1926; buried Hillview East Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial # 96317188, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 31 Aug 2012 [no photo of marker; no links to other burials] - Edward T Poythress [Sr; son of above Charles E & Martha E], b.5 Jun 1881; d.13 Dec 1927; buried Hillview East Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial # 96317265, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 31 Aug 2012 [no photo of marker; no links to other burials] - Eunice Augustua [sic] 'Gussie' Poythress [wife of Edward T Sr, above], b.1 Dec 1888; d.26 Feb 1977; buried Hillview East Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial # 96317294, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 31 Aug 2012 [no photo of marker; no links to other burials] - Edward T Poythress [Jr; son of above Edward T Sr], b.1910; d.1985 "died in Panama City, FL [Florida]"; buried Hillview East Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial # 96317250, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 31 Aug 2012 [no photo of marker; no links to other burials] - Margaret Edith Poythress [logic tells me she would be wife of Edward T Jr, but I have not tested that theory in other records such as Census], b.18 Dec 1911; d.2 Oct 1983; buried Hillview East Cemetery, LaGrange, Troup Co, GA. FindAGrave Memorial # 96317213, created by Sharon Frank Patrick, posted 31 Aug 2012 [no photo of marker; no links to other burials] And in Texas: - Joe Poythress, b.1859; d.1922; buried at Mount Olivet Cemetery in Section 2 Early Settlers; Ft Worth; Tarrant Co, TX. FindAGrave Memorial # 7540754, created by MichelleW, posted 5 Jun 2003; includes photo of his grave marker. And in Missouri -- the bottom 2 females here are mysteries to me; I'm sure they are related somehow, if not to these Poythress folk, then to others, but HOW? - Henry C Poythress [2nd son of Russell K Poythress], b.26 Oct 1855 Georgia, USA; d.27 Jan 1916 Webster Co, MO; buried at Mount Olive Cemetery, Crown, Webster Co, MO [His FindAGrave Memorial entry notes that his gravemarker has dates 20 Oct 1855 - 28 Feb 1915]. Memorial # 43351030, created by JHarrison, posted 20 Oct 2009; includes photo of his grave marker. His FindAGrave Memorial also cites: "death certif info: Henry age 60 years, 3 months. passed away in West Dallas Township. Married. Farmer. Parents R. K. Poythress of Georgia & Sarah Simpson born in England. Informant Joe Poythress of Fort Worth, Texas. Burial Jan. 28, 1916" - Mary [sic; her gravemarker shows her first name as "May" -- This is the wife of Henry C Poythress] Maniza Poythress, b.4 Jul 1870; d.25 Apr 1936; buried at Mount Olive Cemetery, Crown, Webster Co, MO. FindAGrave Memorial # 115278798, created by AndyMyers, posted 11 Aug 2013; includes photo of her grave marker. - Frank Poythress [1st son of Henry C Poythress, who was the 2nd son of Russell K Poythress], b.20 Dec 1906, d.27 Mar 1997; buried at Mount Olive Cemetery, Crown, Webster Co, MO. FindAGrave Memorial # 115278901, created by AndyMyers, posted 11 Aug 2013; includes photo of his grave marker. - Albert Poythress [2nd son of Henry C Poythress, who was the 2nd son of Russell K Poythress], b.1 Aug 1909; d.23 Dec 1983; buried at Marshfield Cemetery, Marshfield, Webster Co, MO. FindAGrave Memorial # 116586121, created by Debbie Clardy, posted 5 Sep 2013; includes photo of his grave marker. - Lottie C Poythress, b.9 Feb 1908; d.22 May 1980; buried at Marshfield Cemetery, Marshfield, Webster Co, MO. FindAGrave Memorial # 116586134, created by Debbie Clardy, posted 5 Sep 2013; includes photo of her grave marker. - Hattie Poythress, b.unknown; d. Sep 1901; buried at Calvary Cemetery and Mausoleum, Saint Louis City, MO. FindAGrave Memorial # 47418477, created by T.V.F.T.H. posted 1 Feb 2010. | 02/16/14 5:44:47 |
| [POYTHRESS] Patrick's story of Sarah Ann nee Simpson Poythress (1831-1919) marr Russell King Poythress, Troup Co, GA | Barbara Neal | Hi Patrick & all, Thank you for your draft piece on Sarah Ann Simpson later-Poythress, which I received thanks to you sending it to me as well as to the Poythress List. Alas, I was remiss in failing to tell you -- emails going to the List (or any other of the many thousands of subscription lists hosted through RootsWeb) cannot have any attached files. I am attaching the email itself which you wrote, since it will have not made it into the Poythress List subscribers' In-Boxes, or its archives. Your draft piece on Sarah's story is beautifully written and footnoted, which I greatly appreciate, as I always wonder at the source of info. Rather than my copying as pure text your story here in an email to all the List, I'll go ahead and now begin drafting an email here, that I was about to begin compiling -- with a bunch of info on the extended family. It is my hope that some of it may enable you to weave in some further details to the story of Sarah and her descendants, thus amplifying your draft before further sharing it. And since of course I too cannot make attachments in emails here, I will send you separately, Patrick, one great find I made last night -- Sarah's Death Certificate in Texas -- for the benefit of others I'll include my transcribed notes from it. [For this email, I'll just add that Sarah's Death Certificate, by the way, lists her mother's maiden name as Wilkinson, so I think from the Philadelphia gravestone inscription of her mother as "Ann Wilkinson Simpson" which you mentioned in a footnote, thinking Wilkinson was a forename rather than a maiden name, the inscription a not-uncommon American custom for many, of including the maiden name.] All for now. I have work to do compiling info into a message. Thanks again, Patrick, for getting in touch. Barbara On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Patrick Vaughan < patrickvaughan38@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Dear Barbara, > > I have now had a go at tidying up a draft piece on Sarah Ann > Simpson/Poythress. As you will see there are plenty of gaps in my > information. If you (or any of your Poythress circle) can help me with > more data, I shall be delighted to hear from you! > > Let me know what you think of the attached. Its written more as a 'story' > than in the usual genealogical language - so I hope you can make allowances > for that! > > Best wishes, > Patrick > | 02/16/14 7:58:40 |
| [POYTHRESS] Death Certificate for Sarah Ann nee Simpson Poythress, d.1919 in TX | Barbara Neal | The below info is noted from examining an image of the death certificate at the free genealogy research website, FamilySearch.org [The website is maintained by the LDS, or Mormon, Church; anyone -- even non-LDS folk like me -- can benefit from their many decades of filming historic records from around the world, more and more of which records are being digitized and placed online.] Death Certificate stamped # 19836 from Tarrant County, Texas - City of Fort Worth; 1611 Aulston Avenue, 8th Ward - Mrs. Sarah A Poythress, female, white, widowed, born Dec 30, 1830; age 88 years 5 months 1 day. - Occupation HouseWife - Birthplace England - Father: James S Simpson, born England - Maiden name of mother: Wilkinson, born England - Informant: Jos [Joseph] Poythress, of 1611 Aulston Ave. - Certificate filed 2 June 1919 - Medical Particulars: died June 1 1919. I hereby certify that I attended deceased from May 29, 1919 to May 31, 1919; that I last saw her alive on May 31, 1919 and that death occurred, on the date stated above, at 6 a.m. - The cause of death was: Shock Died from broken leg and hip. [signed by] E.A. Walters, MD. of Ft. Worth on 2 June 1919 - Place of burial or removal: Philadelphia, Pa. 2 June 1919 [signed by undertaker] Geo. L. Gause, of Fort Worth | 02/16/14 11:20:27 |
| [POYTHRESS] Barbara Poythress Neal response to S C Hawksworth re Poytress inquiry 2/9/14 | Barbara Neal | Hi Stephen - It's great to hear from you, and I'm so sorry that this response is coming to you so late -- 12 days after your initial email to me, at my old and seldom-used email account. Today I did my monthly check of the old account and saw your email, and forwarded it here to my current account, barbpoy.neal@gmail.com I'm copying on this email the subscribers to our Poythress List of researchers. Our free subscription list has been less active in recent years, but a number of us have worked together since the mid-1990s trying to research Poythress / Poytress folk. We have a website for Poythress researchers, at poythress.net, maintained by one of our volunteer Poythress descendants in his available free time, though he is still fully employed at a demanding job that keeps him from having much time to regularly devote to the website. There is a link at the website to help anyone wishing to subscribe to the emails of the Poythress List -- and I guarantee they are not so numerous or frequent that they would drown your email In-Box. The emails of our Poythress list [which emails cannot have attached files] since the mid 1990s are automatically archived at a rootsweb website which is easily searchable by anyone on the internet; a link to searching it is at the top of our website, giving 2 ways to search the archives -- either by a specific word or name, or by browsing the emails chronologically. Thanks to google map I see that Staunton, which you mention in your email as the location that 3 Hawksworth family members left in 1914-1915, to come to Fresno, California, is located in Gloucestershire. Gloucstershire is where it appears Francis Poytress /Poythress [using the spelling now most prevalent here in the US among his descendants] was christened in 1609 -- at St Mary's Church, Newent. Francis was a factor, or agent, for a London merchant, here in Virginia by 1633. Info about Francis and early documents in Virginia, can be seen at our above-mentioned website. I know from info shared by a Poytress researcher in England, that Francis' father was a John, and that Francis had a brother, Christopher, who stayed in England, and presume that through the resulting 11 generations (or more by now) of Poytress-surnamed poeple in England, most if not all would be related somehow to Francis who was in Virginia by 1633. The info I have from that descendancy line (which may also be in one or more Poythress List email archived], does not trace down all the Poytress lines from Christopher, and the one line of the Poytress descendants in England which I've seen does not include the below-mentioned father of the fellow who came to Fresno, CA in June 1891. I would greatly welcome learning from you if you know more re the English forebears of the fellow who came to Fresno than what is shown in the below-mentioned 2 resources. Though I'll summarize below, I strongly encourage you to check more info re why John Albert Poythress came to Fresno, CA, and re his life there, in a local history book compiled in 1919 by Paul E Vandor, and published then in Los Angeles; the portion of the book re the Poytress family is posted on the internet at: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cagha/biographies/p/poytress-j-a.txt >From that, and from piecing together other info in the US, I'll summarize here that: John Albert Poytress was born 10 March 1871 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England, as the fourth oldest of seven children born to his father John, who died in 1909 [sic; a site in England, copied below, had father's burial in 1908], and his mother, Mary Ann Cooper [presumably her maiden name], who died in 1910. It states that his parents were farmers in Gloucestershire. John Albert Poytress immigrated from Gloucester in June 1891. In September 1893, he married Mary Wells at Easton, CA, which is just to the south side of Fresno. According to the 1900 Census, as I transcribed it from an image of the page, viewed at FamilySearch.org: 1900 US Population Census, 4th Judicial Township of Fresno County, CA; Supervisor's District 5, Enumeration District 11, Sheet 7-B, enumerated 13 June 1900 by A.E.Balch, Dwelling 151, Family 152, Lines 75-77 (only the following 3 people in the household/family): - Poytress, John A., head, white, male, born Mar 1871, age 29, married 6 yrs, born England, father born England, mother born England, immigrated to US in 1891, 9 yrs in US, Naturalized citizen, occupation fruit grower, 0 months unemployed, can read, can write, can speak English, owns farm, mortgaged, Farm, 132 is the number of his farm on the Census Farm Schedule - Poytress, Mary, wife, white, female, born Sept 1867, age 32, married 6 yrs, mother of 1 child, 1 child living, born England, father born England, mother born England, immigrated to US in 1893, 7 yrs in US, (naturalization status is a squiggle that probably means Not Applicable since she gets her immigration status from her husband), can read, can write, can speak English - Poytress, Eleanor M. [Mary], daughter, white, female, born July 1894, age 5, single, born California, father born England, mother born England, attended school 4 months In June 1909, after John's wife Mary had died, he married Annie Hopkins, who was born in Gloucester, England. Presumably they married in Fresno Co, CA, though their place of marriage is not mentioned in Vandor's book, which named her as "Miss Annie Hopkins" though the 1910 Census-taker showed "M-2" for each of them, signifying second marriage, and showed they had been married "0" years [thus they married after 15 April 1909]. The census indicates that Annie and her sister Alice Hopkins [in the same household] immigrated to the US in about April or May of 1909, apparently with their brother, Harry Hopkins, sister-in-law, Florence L, and niece, Ivy G, age 12 months as of 1910 Census [They lived in the household next door]. We know from the obit of Roderick John Poytress, who lived 18 Sep 1919 to 13 Jun 2003, that he was "the eldest son, and last surviving sibling, of eight children born to J A Poytress and Annie Hopkins." While it's possible that her name may have been Annie Ellen Hopkins (since in the 1920 census John's wife was listed as "Ellen") I have seen no record listing her middle name. It seems more probable to me that the 1920 census-taker misunderstood and mistakenly wrote John's wife's name as Ellen, conflating info re his wife, Annie nee Hopkins, with the name of John's eldest daughter (from his earlier marriage), Eleanor, who at age 25 may well have been in the household in Jan 1920 helping her stepmother, Annie, with 4-month old Roderick. John Albert Poytress had 6 more children, all of whom are now deceased. >From the Birmingham, England area website, Perry Barr & Beyond, the following two entries were located for the father of John Albert Poytress, named John Poytress: - POYTRESS, JOHN - Malthouse Cottages: BURIED St. Johns 17th November 1908 aged 70 - POYTRESS, JOHN - 1901 Census [taken as of 31 March], Born Tirley, Glos, aged 62, living Perry Barr, Market Gardener Thanks again so much for getting in touch, Stephen. I look forward to any additional info you may have on the English Poytress connections for the above John Poytress, buried at St Johns 17 Nov 1908 at age 70. Kind regards, Barbara > From: S C Hawksworth Ltd > > > Sent: Feb 9, 2014 12:47 PM > Subject: Poytress family > > Hello Barbara > I was wondering if this is the John Poytres with a connection with > Staunton, England. > > John Poytress employed William Hawksworth as a farmer in Fresno in 1914. > William, Wesley and Mabel Hawksworth travelled from Staunton to Fresno > 1914-1915. > > Kind Regards > Stephen Hawksworth > > AND Stephen also wrote, in his message to get beyond the spam-filter on my old earthlink email account: Message: *My family were related to the Poytress family, and employed by John Poytress* | 02/21/14 7:42:54 |
| [POYTHRESS] Further info re Russell Poythress & Sarah Simpson, Troup Co, GA in latter 1800s | Barbara Neal | Patrick and all - I'm copying the below info about LaGrange Female College that you found, to our Poythress List of subscribers, since you only sent it to me, so it will be find-able later by anyone interested. I'm glad you are continuing to search for info on Sarah Ann Simpson, who came at age 15 from England to America with her family, and who married in about 1851 or so, Russell King Poythress in LaGrange, Troup County, Georgia [son of Joseph A Poythress & Mary King]. The below info you found about what is now a college, and in the 1800s began as LaGrange Female Academy, certainly fits with Sarah Simpson having come south to Georgia from Philadelphia to be Music Teacher at this school, of which the above-mentioned Joseph Poythress was one of the founders. I hope you will share with our entire Poythress List, in an email, a summary from your collected info on Sarah. I just realized that I should also share with you, in case you have not seen it, the below 1880 Census of Troup County, Georgia, entry for the household of Russell Poythress. You and I have noted that Sarah's 1900 Census entry, in Fort Worth, Tarrant County, Texas, with their son Joseph listed Sarah as "widowed." As I earlier noted, I have not found any indication of when Russell had died or was buried. But it is interesting to see that in 1880, Russell identified himself to the Census taker as "widowed." Of course, we must keep in mind that divorce, and/or desertion of a spouse, were both very much frowned down upon, so it would have been far more acceptable to be identified as a widow or a widower. Interesting that both Russell and his brother William B, are listed as widowers. I have not found any indication of a marriage, or the death or burial, for William B. Family Search indexes Russel Poythress' household as number 3847, in Harrisonville, Troup Co, GA, from FHL Film 1254167, National Archives Film T9-0167 Page 543A: - Russel POYTHRESS, (Relationship to head-of-household) Self, M(ale), W(idowed), W(hite), age 57, b.GA, Fa b.GA, Mo b.GA; - Charley POYTHRESS, Son, M(ale), S(ingle), W(hite), age 26, b.GA, Fa b.GA, Mo b.GA - William B POYTHRESS, (relationship to head of hh) Other [note: this is his brother], M(ale), W(idowed), W(hite), age 61, b.GA, Fa b.GA, Mo b.GA Patrick Vaughan wrote on 21 Feb 2014: There is a digital image of the LaGrange Female College 'Catalogue' for 1890/91 at https://archive.org/details/LaGrange_College_Catalog_1890-91 It shows that the Music Faculty in that year was composed of 6 staff. Music clearly was a big thing in that community (training for leading church choirs etc.). It's 40 years later that Sarah's first arrival in LaGrange, but probably does represent what she may have been doing professionally c.1870. AND: There is also an earlier Catalogue from 1881/2 - which I found later. 4 Faculty in the Music Dept - 3 of them women. | 02/21/14 8:07:59 |
| [POYTHRESS] Info from S C Hawksworth 2/22 re his Fresno Poytress inquiry 2/9/14 | Barbara Neal | Good to hear back from you, Steve. I'm again copying our Poythress List, and strongly encourage you to use "Reply All" so that others of our group who may have helpful info, can respond to help both of us, as well as more people in the future. It's great that your Aunt (who you think would have met John Albert Poytress, who came to Fresno, CA) and his wife Annie, is still living at 90+ and still so mentally sharp. It is great that you will be talking further with her -- do so as soon as you can. Many of us who have now lost the elders of our own family lines wish we had asked so many more questions of them. I got a bit lost in the info you mentioned having earlier gotten from your Aunt, so I have several points needing clearing up, for clarification. You wrote that your Aunt has previously told you: 1. "John [John Albert Poytress, right?] and his brother had both gone out to USA. John lost his wife in child birth [It sounds like this is a wife who initially accompanied him from England, right?]. He returned to UK and visited Ma's family [The maiden name and married name of your Aunt's mother would help clarify who this is]. He met and fell in love with Annie - daughter of Ma's sister Jane [again, names would help here: from context of your next quote from your Aunt, I'm assuming that this is the Jane who was married Will Hopkins, and thus that Jane's daughter, Annie, had the maiden name of Annie Hopkins]. John married her [Annie Hopkins] and took her to Fresno [which you, Steve, notes suggests the marriage was at Staunton]. Annie was the eldest of five children." 2. "Jane was married to Will Hopkins. Jane and Will subsequently went out to Fresno. This is the Uncle Will [Hopkins, right?] on Wesley (my grandfather) immigration record from Staunton of 1929." [Lower in your email today, not quoting your Aunt, you mentioned a Will/William who I think is different from this Will Hopkins: you said: "My grandfather, Wesley [Am I correct in understanding from your email yesterday that your grandfather's surname was Hawksworth?], had a brother William [thus William Hawksworth?]. He left Staunton in 1914. His Draft Card has him as "Declared" and working as a farmer, for J.A Poytress, Route 6(?) Box 62, Fresno, California. I think Will may have left UK to run one of John's farms. In doing so he avoided WW1. This may have been because of religious/pacifist beliefs. Wesley left Staunton, with his sister Mabel, for Fresno in 1915. His Draft Card has him as a farm labourer for Chas Dack, R.R.H. Box 196, Fresno." 3. "John was in American Colony [Was this an area in Fresno County, CA?]. Uncle Will was in Easton [Easton, CA is a small town on the south side of Fresno, both of which are in Fresno County, CA]. Uncle Will lost three bungalows in fires, John had a two storey house next door to the farm, this was also lost by fire." 4. "John's wife was killed in a motor accident" [I understand this to be John Albert Poytress' wife whose maiden name was Annie Hopkins, thanks to your mention in today's email that you think you have somewhere the newspaper obituaries for John and the road accident for Annie. Do you know if I'm correct to assume that this accident, in which Annie died, was at some point after their youngest child, John Robert Poytress, was born 10 June 1910 -- about 2 months after the official 1910 Census date of April 15th.] Can you please confirm for me, that the unnamed brother, who you mentioned in #1 above, and who came from England with John Albert Poytress may have been William J Poytress? I ask, because in the 1910 Fresno CA Census (transcription below) William J Poytress lived near J.A. Poytress on Fruit Ave and was enumerated the day before J.A. Poytress was. As you'll see below, William J Poytress was then age 40, and also had come from England, reportedly in 1905, which is 14 years after John Albert Poytress came in 1891. US Census, 1910, for Fresno, CA, Twp 4, Supv Dist 6, Enum Dist 53, Sheet 10-A, enumerated [as of 15 Apr] on 10 May 1910, dwelling 240, family 242, Lines 34-40: Household on Fruit Avenue, dwelling 240, family 242: -- William J Poytress, head, age 40, male, white, m-1 [in his first marriage], married 19 years, born "Eng.-English" and father & mother also "Eng.-English,", immigrated to US 1905, "Pa" indicates he had filed Papers for Naturalization, born "Eng.-English" and father & mother also "Eng.-English," Farmer, general farm, working on Own Account, can read, can write, Rents, Farm, #421 on farm schedule -- Emma, wife, female, white, age 41, m-1 [her first marriage], married 19 yrs, mother of 7 children, 5 of whom are living, born "Eng.-English," father & mother born "Eng.-English," immigrated to US 1905, [Naturalization status blank], speaks English, "None" employment, can read, can write; -- William H, son, male, white, age 18, single, born "Eng.-English," father & mother born "Eng.-English," immigrated to US 1905, speaks English; "None" employment, father & mother born "Eng-England," speaks English, "None" employment, can read, can write, yes attended school any time since Sep 1, 1909; -- Sidney J, son, male, white, age 15, single, born "Eng.-English," father & mother born "Eng.-English," immigrated to US 1905, speaks English; "None" employment, father & mother born "Eng-England," speaks English, "None" employment, can read, can write, yes attended school any time since Sep 1, 1909; -- Francis E, son, male, white, age 11, single, born "Eng.-English," father & mother born "Eng.-English," immigrated to US 1905, speaks English; "None" employment, father & mother born "Eng-England," speaks English, "None" employment, can read, can write, yes attended school any time since Sep 1, 1909; -- May, daughter, female, white, age 6, single, born "Eng.-English," father & mother born "Eng.-English," immigrated to US 1905, speaks English; "None" employment, father & mother born "Eng-England," [blank re whether she speaks English], "None" employment, can read, can write, no did not attend school any time since Sep 1, 1909; -- John T, son, male, white, age 1/12, single, born CA, father & mother born "Eng.-English" [remainder of line blank] US Census, 1910, for Fresno, CA, Twp 4, Supv Dist 6, Enum Dist 53, Sheet 10-B, enumerated as of 15 April on 11 May 1910, dwellings 251 & 252 (families 253 & 254), Lines 85-91: [This first household appears to logically be that of a younger brother Annie Hopkins, wife of John Albert Poytress, below, and likely worked for him] Household on Fruit Avenue, dwelling 251, family 253 -- Harry Hopkins, head, male, white, age 26, m-1 [his first marriage], been married 2 yrs, born "Eng.-English" and father & mother also "Eng.-English," immigrated to US in 1909, "Pa" indicates he had filed Papers for Naturalization; speaks English; Farm laborer, working out, working on own account, was not out of work on Apr 15, 1910; 3 wks out of work during 1900, can read, can write, [blank re attended school any time since Sep 1, 1909], home rented, [blank re own free or mtg], home, [blank re # on farm schedule], [not soldier of Union or Conf Army or Navy], [not blind], [not deaf & dumb] -- Florence L, wife, female, white, age 32, m-1 [her first marriage], been married 2 yrs, born "Eng.-English" and father & mother also "Eng.-English," immigrated to US in 1909, [Naturalization status blank], speaks English, "None" employment, can read, can write, [blank re attended school since Sept 1, 1909] -- Ivy G, daughter, female, white, age 12/12 mo, single, born "Eng.-English" and father & mother also "Eng.-English," immigrated to US in 1909, [Naturalization status blank], speaks English, "None" employment; remainder of line blank. Household on West Avenue, dwelling 252, family 254 -- John A Poytress, head, male, white, age 39, m-2 [his 2nd marriage], married "0" years [so married since 15 April of 1909], born "Eng.-English" and father & mother also "Eng.-English," immigrated to US in 1891, Naturalized, speaks English, Farmer, general farm, Employer, can read, can write, Owns, mortgaged, Farm, #215 on farm schedule -- Annie, wife, female, white, age 32, m-2 [her 2nd marriage], married "0" years [so married since 15 April of 1909], born "Eng.-English" and father & mother also "Eng.-English," immigrated to US in 1909, [Naturalization status blank], speaks English, "None" employment, can read, can write, [blank re attended school since Sept 1, 1909] -- Ellener M, daughter, female, white, age 15, single, born CA, father & mother born "Eng-England," speaks English, "None" employment, can read, can write, yes attended school any time since Sep 1, 1909 -- Alice Hopkins, sister-in-law, female, white, age 30, single, born "Eng.-English" and father & mother also "Eng.-English,", immigrated to US in 1909, speaks English, "None" employment, can read, can write, [blank re attended school since Sept 1, 1909] It's good to learn from you about Staunton, in Gloucestershire, where John Albert Poytress was brought up. I don't recall having heard of "Chartism" and its non-conformist, strong religious beliefs, somewhat alternative thinkings, so read up a bit more, thanks to a google search. >From another google search, I learned of the Fresno Historical Society at valleyhistory.org which shows some archived photos from their extensive collection, such as the ones you mentioned. Thanks again for writing. Barbara | 02/22/14 7:35:29 |
| [POYTHRESS] How to use FamilySearch to see WW I info; thanks for Poytress context | Barbara Neal | Steve, thanks for the interesting way you relayed the context. Appreciate you getting back to the Poytress side of the story, with the clarification on names and relationships, too. Hope you will talk with your Aunt for further info (whether by telephone or in a visit) as soon as possible. Looking forward to further info from her. The following instructions for using FamilySearch can be used by anyone, to search any name: Go to FamilySearch.org Click on "Join" in the upper right, so you can sign up for a free account -- With an account, once you find a record of interest to you, you'll be able to see it and download it, if they have a digital image of it. Of course be sure to pick a user-name and password you can easily continue using in the future. One need not be concerned that by signing up, anyone will try to convert you or that you will be hassled by emails from them. That does not happen, I assure you. After the initial sign-in is done, it takes you to a homepage having many options. Click on "Search" and from the drop-down menu of things to search, select "Records." In the resulting page, on the left side, enter ONLY the following things for this initial search of yours today: - Last name - Hawksworth - In the "Restrict records by" portion click to insert a check into the boxes beside each of these 3 choices: -- Census, Residence, and Lists -- Immigration and Naturalization -- Military - Now, below that portion, in the "Search with a life event" portion: - Click on "Residence" and insert -- in "Residence Place" type Fresno, California [this description covers all of Fresno County -- they do not use the word "County." For further clarification, IF alternatively you were wanting to only check records in one town within that county, for example, if you were wanting to ONLY check in the town of Easton, you would type "Easton, Fresno, California"] -- in the "Residence Year (Range)" type 1910 to 1940 - Then click on the blue "Search" button that is lower in that column. The resulting list of records will open on the right side of the page, generally (but not always) in chronological (or reverse chronological) order within type of event. The list I'm seeing by doing that begins with US Census 1940 records [the type shows in the left column, along with the name of each person found in that record]; then 1930 Census records; then 1920 Census records; and then lower on the page gets to US World War II Army Enlistment Records 1938-1946, and then US World War I Draft Registration Cards 1917-1918. There are further pages indicated at the bottom of the page, but for now you need to know how to best explore any one of these records. So to explain: to look first at Wesley Hawksworth's & William Hawksworth's World War I Draft Registration Cards, do this: - on the far right by each of those you'll see a little grey triangle, pointed downward. - Click on that and it will drop down to a larger row, listing on the right all of the info the volunteer-indexer has indexed, usually enough to let you know the birth date, or estimated birth date, so you'll know it's likely the correct person; and that info includes what you need for a proper citation, such as the "Affiliate Publication Title and Number" which gives you the proper citation, in this case our National Archives Publication M1509, which is "World War I Selective Service System Draft Registration Cards." It also includes their own "Digital Folder Number" and "GS Film Number" which is the microfilm roll number if you were going to visit your nearest Family Search location -- they can be found in the phone book listed under "Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints" and are sometimes free-standing locations, and sometimes located at the same building(s) as one of their local Ward churches or their Temples.] - After checking that column, then on the left column, where the person's name is in blue, click on the name -- I usually do this with an alternate-side-of-my-mouse click to choose "Open link in new tab" so that I can easily come back to this listing of records. That new tab's window re-phrases the info in a suitable format to print if you want to do that, AND lower on the right side lets you "View Document" and/or "Save image." You can also wait and save the image when viewing it -- and on the View of it, you can make it larger to see on your screen. I find their View screen "touchy" enough that, especially for a Census page, trying to move left & right, and or up & down is not easy, so I generally "Save" the image as soon as I am looking at it, of course noting where on my computer it is saved, and then later I can more easily move around the image that I have saved versus doing it online at their image. Some records will have "No image available" -- yet -- They have thousands of volunteers around the world who are very dedicated and busy helping to digitize images in the gazillion microfilms that the Saints have been going all over the world since the 1930s, to film in local counties / shires / etc. All those as-yet-not-digitized microfilms can be seen at their Family Search locations -- sometimes they have the films permanently on site, and sometimes one must request it be sent to that site, for viewing at one of the microfilm readers. There is a nominal fee to cover postage of the film. When I formerly did that, in the 1990s, I could specify whether I wanted to pay a very modest fee for the film to be available for some short period of time (2 wks maybe) or a bit more of a fee to have it there for 6 months. ALSO IMPORTANT TO KNOW: Some records, rather than being viewable directly at their site, will have "Explore Viewing Options" instead of "View Document." Some of the viewing options include free sites, and some are sites one must join for a fee. I have avoided joining other fee-sites (such as Ancestry.com) because there is so much free info available here at FamilySearch.org that I have not yet exhausted it, and some of what Ancestry.com has is a duplicate of the free National Archives info readily available at FamilySearch. When you are done exploring, copying, etc, go up to your user name showing in the upper right-hand corner, and get the drop-down that allows you to sign out. End of lesson. Be sure to let us know when you've learned more about the Poytress folk, please. Cheers, Barbara | 02/23/14 4:36:34 |
| [POYTHRESS] North Newington Baptist Church Cemetery - Old Site & New Site | Barbara Neal | Today I stumbled across the fact that the North Newington Baptist Church cemetery in fact has 2 listings at FindAGrave.com: - OLD Site (33 burials: See info further below) AND - NEW Site (616 burials) However apparently as of today the New Site has not yet had its 616 burials fully indexed into FindAGrave. Thus, in order to search its burials, at least as of today, one must go to the listing for the cemetery itself. One searches for a cemetery at FindAGrave.com on the right-hand side of the homepage, just below where one would normally select the search of all burials to check by name of the deceased person. The choice below that is to find a cemetery. While that should work to find both the OLD and NEW North Newington Baptist Church Cemetery sites, tonight when one reaches the NEW site, one does not have the choice, on the right-hand side, of "View all interments" which I was able to do earlier today. I had stumbled across the cemetery from a google link to FindAGrave when searching on the name of one of the Poythress folk that Bud Poythress alerted us back in 1999 was buried there, so perhaps you too can reach the page via a google search on one of the people you know is buried there if the "View all interments" choice is not showing when reaching the main page for the NEW cemetery. At the bottom of this email, I'll list (hopefully without typographical errors, but it is late) the Poythress names I noticed there today. General info that one learns, once one is within the site for the NEW cemetery, includes: 616 burials have been entered at FindAGrave.com for "New North Newington Baptist Church Cemetery" which has a mailing address of PO Box 236; Newington, Screven County, Georgia 30446. Several photos are at the page for the cemetery itself, each added by "jrpv" including a photo of the church (added 28 Mar 2008); a close-up shot of the historic marker that can be seen to our right of the church (added 28 March 2008); and a photo taken within the cemetery (added 15 April 2008). 96% of the 616 interments have been photographed. FindAGrave's general page for the cemetery itself includes the following write-up, with the 2nd paragraph quoting the historic plaque: Cemetery notes and/or description: The "New Site" of North Newington Baptist Church and Cemetery is about two miles northeast of the Town of Newington, at 11572 Newington Highway (Georgia Highway 24). The "Old Site" of the church had been established in southeastern Screven County at Rooty Branch (a small tributary to the Savannah River), by about 1803. The church moved nearly five miles WNW to this "New Site" in 1878-1879. The Georgia Historical Commission erected this marker (124-14) at the "New Site" in 1959: This church was constituted at Newington Plantation, Chatham County, 1793, in home of Thomas Polhill. Meetings alternated between the Polhill home near Goshen settlement and the Fox Family home near King's Bridge on the Ogeechee River until 1797. The first meeting house, called Bethel, was built at King' Bridge, 1797. In 1802 it removed to Newington Plantation. Members met in conference at Rooty Branch Church, Screven County, an arm of Black Swamp Baptist Church, South Carolina, 1803 to 1806, where they resolved to meet in the future at this house. In 1826 the name was changed to Newington, Screven County, and in 1852 to North Newington. In 1879 the church was moved to the present site. Affiliated with Carolina Assn. at first, then the Savannah River Assn. in 1802, the Sunbury Assn. in 1830, this chuch has been a member of the Baptist Middle Assn. since 1841. Early officers were: Pastors, John Goldwire, Henry Hand, John L. Southwell, Isaac Nichols, Wm. W. Lee, William Spiers. Deacons, Thos. Polhill, Wm. Mathers, Benj. Fox, Josiah Fox, James Goldwire, Daniel Dampiers, Paul B. Colson. Clerks, David Fox, Thos. Fox, Henry W. Williams, James Goldwire, Paul B. Colson. For the OLD North Newington Baptist Church Cemetery, at Blue Springs, Screven Co, GA, 33 burials have Memorials, created by jrpv from earlier Cemetery Surveys, which are discussed at a listing near the top of the cemetery's burials. The OLD site's 33 burials include the following which mention the surname Poythress: - H J Poythress, b.9 Jul 1875; d.9 Oct 1876 - L C Poythress, b.17 Nov 1871; d.19 Dec 1872 - Mary E nee Mercer Poythress, b.10 Mar 1846; d.16 Dec 1899 - Z L Poythress, b.16 Apr 1873; d.15 Mar 1874 The NEW site: At the NEW site, checking in alphabetical order only in the "P" portion, among the 616 burials, I spotted these with Poythress mentioned, but I realize there could be other Poythress maiden names elsewhere in the alphabetical listing: - Pitts, Magnolia nee Poythress, b.2 Jan 1883; d.11 Feb 1945 - Poythress, Bessie M, b.26 Mar 1887; d.11 Aug 1966 - Poythress, Beulah B, b.19 Nov 1896; d.6 Feb 1982 - Poythress, Evalina Denning, b.28 Apr 1861; d.2 May 1946 - Poythress, Frank, b.22 Nov 1885; d.18 Sep 1977 - Poythress, Gazzie H, b.22 Feb 1879; d.4 Feb 1969 - Poythress, Idella A, b.5 Jan 1859; d.26 Jan 1883 - Poythress, Ina M, b.19 May 1904; d.12 Feb 1905 - Poythress, James C, b.24 Nov 1885; d.20 Jul 1950 - Poythress, Joann, b.1936; d.1937 - Poythress, Julia Ann Usher, b.6 Feb 1873; d.24 Jun 1940 - Poythress, Martha J, b.4 Jul 1841; d.8 Dec 1935 - Poythress, Robert L, b.2 Jan 1867; d.10 Feb 1935 - Poythress, Sheddie W, b.10 Jul 1902; d.21 Jul 1903 - Poythress, Thomas Boston, b.7 Apr 1860; d.13 May 1937 - Poythress, Thomas Ralph, b.1897, d.1946 - Poythress, Verna Mae nee Bryant, b.1908, d.1945 - Poythress, Wm E, b.11 Jul 1833; d.23 Dec 1907 | 02/23/14 6:13:33 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 11 | Debbie Poythress-Concepcion | FYI - The Poythresses in Clovis, Madera & Fresno, are my distant cousins. Their ancestor, Robert Lamar Poythress, is the younger brother to my G-great grandfather, Thomas Boston Poythress; sons of William E Poythress & Martha J. Usher I had heard of other Poytresses in the Fresno area and had determined that they were directly from England, therefore, not from my Wm E. line. I would be interested to know if the Poytresses from England had submitted a sample to the Poythress DNA project. I'd be curious to see if we are indeed related to the Poytress family from the 1600's. That would be exciting to learn. Regards! Debbie Poythress-Concepcion | 02/24/14 9:46:24 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress / Poytress DNA question (was Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 9, Issue) 11 | Barbara Neal | Thanks for speaking up, Debbie. Yes, in our Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study, we did succeed in getting a sample submitted by one of the living British Poytress male descendants whose line has continued to live in England thru all these nearly 400 years. And his sample (11 generations down from John, who owned Ploddy House and who was father of both Francis who came to Virginia by 1633, and of Christopher, who stayed in England) gives DNA result-numbers remarkably similar to the results of most of our American Poythress participants (some of whom are now deceased). That similarity is shown in the results from your own family's male participant, Debbie, and my family's male participant. So yes, it's great to see that we are related to the Brit Poytress folk. (I continue to wish we could nail down all the father-to-son lines of descent here in America, to show exactly how closely or distantly we are cousins -- you and me, and so many others.) Our Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study is discussed at our research website, poythress.net, along with lots of other interesting material. | 02/24/14 11:30:18 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress / Poytress DNA question (was Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 9, Issue) 11 | Hi Barbara and all, Nice to see some new messages here. This is very interesting -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Neal To: Poythress List Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 8:36 pm Subject: [POYTHRESS] Poythress / Poytress DNA question (was Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 9, Issue) 11 Thanks for speaking up, Debbie. Yes, in our Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study, we did succeed in getting a sample submitted by one of the living British Poytress male descendants whose line has continued to live in England thru all these nearly 400 years. And his sample (11 generations down from John, who owned Ploddy House and who was father of both Francis who came to Virginia by 1633, and of Christopher, who stayed in England) gives DNA result-numbers remarkably similar to the results of most of our American Poythress participants (some of whom are now deceased). That similarity is shown in the results from your own family's male participant, Debbie, and my family's male participant. So yes, it's great to see that we are related to the Brit Poytress folk. (I continue to wish we could nail down all the father-to-son lines of descent here in America, to show exactly how closely or distantly we are cousins -- you and me, and so many others.) Our Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study is discussed at our research website, poythress.net, along with lots of other interesting material. | 02/25/14 4:14:29 | |
| [POYTHRESS] Poytress snippet from Steve's interview in England of his aunt | Barbara Neal | Thanks; glad you talked with her. Thanks for the opinion on William Poytress likely being the correct name for John Albert Poythress' brother. I gather we are safe in assuming whenever you mention a "John" that you are indeed talking about John Albert Poytress; however for future researchers it would better enable searching of emails if you'll be sure to continue mentioning his full name (or any Poytress) at least once in any email that talks about him, and then further in the same email, you could abbreviate as "JAP" so we can all be clear who is a Poytress vs who is of any other surname. Your best bet for learning more about any earlier marriage of a Hawkins, or what Mabel Hawksworth did (since all that was about 100 years ago & none of us are likely to have a Hawkins or a Hawksworth in our family tree), is to pursue searching them at FamilySearch -- they have records that are truly from all over the world. Hope you have not abandoned doing at least a brief recap (within an email) for our Poythress List summarizing what you know about Sarah nee Simpson who married Russell King Poythress, of Troup County, Georgia. Thanks again, Barbara | 02/28/14 3:04:45 |
| [POYTHRESS] Fresno, CA John A Poytress family from UK circa 1880-1930 | Barbara Neal | Stephen & all (Note: at the bottom, here, is Stephen's email today which he's asked me to include in my email to our Poythress List) FindAGrave.com lists "CDR Annie Jane [with an italicized name of Hopkins] Poytress" as b.25 Jul 1913 Gloucestershire, England; d.16 Nov 1980; buried in block 3 of Washington Colony Cemetery, Fresno, Fresno Co, CA. That Memorial has a link to John A Poytress (1871-1940), as having been calculated by the Memorial creator as being her spouse [sic]. An attached photo of her US veterans marker was added by the creator of her Memorial. The marker bears a Christian cross, and the inscription reads Annie Jane Poytress; CDR US Navy, WWII Korea Vietnam; Jul 25 1913 - Nov 16 1980. Her Memorial # 76168453 was created by Larry Moore & posted 8 Sep 2011. Re that Memorial for Annie Jane Poytress (1913-1980): - Contrary to the way you phrased your question (below), at the top of her Memorial page, there is no hyphen between "Hopkins" and "Poytress" on her name. The name "Hopkins" is shown in italics -- at FindAGrave, italicizing a name in that position (prior to the final surname), is normally used to indicate that the person posting the Memorial has concluded the italicized name was the woman's maiden name. HOWEVER, I'm confident that "Hopkins" was erroneously added to her name, and that the link to John A Poytress as her "spouse" was an erroneous conclusion. From the dates Annie Jane Poytress lived, this is the daughter of Ellen Annie nee Hopkins, who had married John A Poytress. And actually at John's linked FindAGrave Memorial, the same creator has posted a photo of his double gravemarker, showing his [2nd] wife as "Ellen A, born Oct 17, 1877, died May 20, 1936." Both FindAGrave links [at John A Poytress' Memorial, and at Annie Jane Poytress' Memorial] should show John A Poytress was Annie Jane Poytress' father. AND I'm confident the Memorial creator listed her as having been born in Gloucestershire erroneously, from conflating info about her mother with Annie Jane, too. At the linked-to-Annie Jane FindAGrave Memorial for John A Poytress (1871-1940), the double marker for him shows his wife as Ellen A who lived 1877-1936. The extensive write-up for him, quoting Vandor's 1919 History of Fresno County, mentions in part re his 2nd marriage: "He was married a second time in Fresno to Miss Annie Hopkins who was born in Gloucester, England, and they have five children : Phyllis, Ethel, Annie Jane, Dorothy Dean, and Roderick." So if this was correct in the county history book published in 1919, indicating his 2nd wife as "Miss" then we know she was not previously married. As far as whether Ellen Annie Hopkins (also simply known by her middle name of Annie) was truly in her 1st versus 2nd marriage with John A Poytress, I'll remind you that I indicated the Census-taker could simply have filled in the wrong number in that block. I think that's far more likely, since the county history referred to her as "Miss." The 3rd child listed for Ellen Annie/Annie Ellen and John Poytress at his FindAGrave Memorial (in the above quote from Vandor's book), is the above-mentioned Annie Jane Poytress; from her gravemarker not showing a different married surname, we can conclude that US Naval Commander Annie Jane Poytress likely never married. This fits with the 1920 Fresno Co, CA Census (within a year of the 1919 publication of Vandor's county history), listing John A's household with wife "Ellen" age 42, born in England, who immigrated and was Naturalized in 1909; their children in the Census household are shown as Phyllis, age 9, born CA; Ethel, age 7, born CA; Annie, age 6, born CA; Dorothy, age 4, born CA; and Roderick, age 3 months, born CA. For all 5 of these children it shows both parents were born in England. That Census indicates John A came to America in 1893 and his wife Ellen came in 1909. Second, re the abbreviation "CDR" at Annie Jane Poytress' FindAGrave Memorial -- that stands for Commander, which is a good rank in the US Navy. The photo of her marker shows clearly that she served in the US Navy during WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. While our US Army WWII Enlistment Records have been indexed on the internet, the only US Navy records I note for the WWII era (1942-1945) at our National Archives, pertain only to duty locations for US Navy Intelligence Personnel. It is far more likely she was in the medical area than the intelligence area. One other site, the WWII Memorial Online Registry, could conceivably have been of help regarding the WWII time-period of her military service, however no family member has honored her by listing her there, with any info such a family member might have about her WWII service. You mention that your family's clipped newspaper obituary from that time, also refers to "Mrs Ellen Annie Poytress". If you would be so kind as to fully transcribe in a separate email to our Poythress List, that obituary, it would be a great service to us and to future researchers. I'll be curious to see whether it mentions "American Colony" since when I saw the name of the cemetery where she and John A Poytress are buried is "Washington Colony Cemetery" made me ponder that perhaps your Aunt may have mis-remembered the name as "American" Colony, instead of "Washington" Colony. While I could find no Google Map listings for American Colony in CA, they show that in Fresno, there are locations named Washington Colony Cemetery; Washington Colony canal; and Washington Colony Elementary School. I don't have any info regarding a maiden-named woman Olive Poytress who married a man surnamed Goode, from anything I've previously noted. If you haven't already searched for more on her at FamilySearch.org, I'd suggest you do so, using Mr Goode's first name, too, if you have it. Sometimes a marriage record for the couple can include the names of the parents of both bride and groom, depending on when and where they married. I'd also suggest if you come back with more about them, you use a caption to your email indicating "Olive Poytress & [whoever] Goode" rather than combining info about them with an email covering John A Poytress. Your questions about who paid passage for people coming to America could possibly be answered if you can locate US Naturalization records, whether at FamilySearch, or at Ellis Island in NY, or wherever. My own recollection from earlier in the 1800s, is that anyone coming here had to have at least a certain amount of money with them, and/or cite the name of a sponsor, since the country did not want completely indigent people with no prospect of help, coming in. Re what birth, marriage, census, and other UK records exist -- I've never researched in UK records, so I don't know how extensive the holdings of UK records at FamilySearch may be. A woman I met yesterday mentioned that she has done extensive UK research on her own family lines thru UK websites of your UK institutions over there, so likely a search on "Kew" or whatever your archives is, will likely reveal some great places for you to search for UK records. Barbara = On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:11 AM, S C Hawksworth Ltd < schawksworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote [indicating a few moments later that he had forgotten to copy our Poythress List, and asking I do so] : Hello Barbara Thank you for your earlier answers. There are now some new queries that have cropped up and I wondered if you could shed any light on them? Is there an archived Birth Certificate, or Census, for John Albert when he was in UK? Annie Hopkins came from Staunton - is there any confirmation of Annie being married before (as mentioned in 1910 Census?) If so, to whom? Whilst the 1910 Census refers to "Annie Hopkins" the web pictures of the gravestone have "Ellen A Poytress". This is the Annie that died in the car accident in 1936 - my Aunt remembers, vividly, attending the funeral. The newspaper cutting my family has from that time, also refers to "Mrs Ellen Annie Poytress". The Web has a photo of the gravestone of CDR Annie Jane Hopkins-Poytress. My Aunt remembers Annie Jane. Why was there a double surname? The Web photo refers to the birth being at Gloucester. At the date of 25 July 1913, John and Annie were married and living in American Colony(?) - is it a mistake on the Web, or is Gloucester correct? I think my Aunt once said CDR Annie Jane was in the US Army Medical Corps and Honoured For Her Services To The Nation. (I cannot find anything written down in my notes to substantiate this.) Are there any details of the military role and of any awards? I have become aware of a further Poytress connection with the Hawksworth family; My grandfather, Wesley, had a brother William Hawksworth. William married Elsie Goode in California circa 1922. Elsie Goode's mother was Olive Goode (nee Poytress). I am assuming Elsie had gone to California at either Olive's or John Albert's invitation and, when there, met her future husband? Who was Olive, and how does she fit into the family tree? I have become aware that John Albert may have been paying the travel costs incurred in emigrating from UK to join his workforce in California. Might this be correct? Is there any archived reference to this? I look forward to your response. Kind Regards Stephen Hawksworth | 03/05/14 8:15:45 |
| [POYTHRESS] John A Poytress & his 2nd wife Ellen Annie nee Hopkins - Fresno, CA FindAGrave entry | Barbara Neal | I've just noticed that indeed the extensive quote of John A Poytress' biography, shown at his FindAGrave.com Memorial (quoted from Vandor's 1919 book on the history of Fresno Co, CA), indeed mentions "American Colony." So even though American Colony shows up via a google map search as a location in CA, it apparently was back then. Here is the FindAGrave Memorial listing for John A Poytress: For John A Poytress, Find A Grave Memorial# 76168475 was created by Larry Moore & posted 8 Sep 2011. FindAGrave.com shows him as: John A Poytress, b.10 Mar 1871 Gloucestershire, England; d.15 Feb 1940; buried in block 3 of Washington Colony Cemetery, Fresno, Fresno Co, CA. A photo of his double-marker at the cemetery [transcribed here from the photo] reads: POYTRESS / John A, Mar. 10, 1871 - Feb. 15, 1940 [and] Ellen A, Oct.17, 1877 - May 20, 1936. This Memorial has Family links for him to 2 spouses: - [his first wife] Mary Wells Poytress (1868 - 1907)* [The * indicates this was a Calculated relationship], and - [erroneously, in spite of the above double-marker for him, the Memorial indicates his other spouse as Annie Jane Hopkins Poytress (1913 - 1980) who is actually daughter Annie Jane Poytress from John A Poytress' 2nd marriage to Ellen Annie nee Hopkins; the Memorial's creator apparently confused info of the mother and daughter] This Memorial quotes the below-copied extensive section [attributed as] 1919 biography for John from The History of Fresno County by Paul E Vandor -- "JOHN A. POYTRESS A splendid example of manhood who is pleased to devote his energy and time towards the development and building up of Fresno County is J. A. Poytress, who was born in Gloucester, England, March 10, 1871, the fourth oldest of a family of seven children born to John and Mary Ann Cooper, farmers in Gloucestershire, England. His father died in 1909 while the mother died in 1910. Mr. Poytress' father met with reverses, so when ten years of age, J. A. began working out on farms to assist his parents. However, he received a good education in the local schools. He read of the wonders of California and was attracted by the pportunities that awaited young men without capital but willing to work. "He selected Fresno, arriving in June, 1891, a stranger in a strange land. He found employment on a farm at Easton and applied himself energetically to his work. In September, 1893, he was married at Easton to Miss Mary Wells who was born near Birmingham, Worcestershire, England a daughter of Francis Wells, a well-to-do farmer. After his marriage Mr. Poytress engaged in viticulture and horticulture as well as teaming, a business he has continued ever since. He purchased twenty acres of his present ranch in 1897 and now has eighty-five acres in a body, which he has set and reset to vineyard though a part is in orchard of peaches and apricots. His vineyard is well selected. Thompson seedless and Muscat raisins. He sees it is well cared for and it is the consensus of opinion that he has one of the finest vineyards in the county, his place being located on West Avenue and Lincoln, about seven miles southwest of Fresno. Mr. Poytress also owns a 320-acre ranch one and one-half miles southeast of his home ranch which he devotes to raising alfalfa and dairying, his herd of cows being high-grade Holsteins. He is also raising draft horses, Mr. Poytress being interested in a company that owns an imported Percheron Norman or French draft stallion. He also owns a ranch of sixty acres at Caruthers. He is a firm believer in cooperation and has been a member of the different fruit associations, being an active member of the California Associated Raisin Company and the California Peach Growers, Inc. "He is a stockholder, director and treasurer of the Danish Creamery Association, having formerly been president of it for one year. He has been an active and prominent member of the Fresno County Farm Bureau since its organization as well as one of the original directors. He is the representative of the stock industry of the county and is chairman of the boys' pig club work. "He is also a director in the Fresno District Fair Association. Mr. Poytress is intensely interested in advancing the cause of education, having been a member of the American Colony school district for seventeen years, and a trustee of the Washington Union High School for the past eighteen years and the clerk of the board for nine years. Prominent in Y. M. C. A. work he is Fresno County committeeman since the association was organized in Fresno and is chairman of the Boys' Summer Camp Committee. Mr. Poytress' first wife died in 1908 leaving him a daughter, Eleanor Mary. "He was married a second time in Fresno to Miss Annie Hopkins who was born in Gloucester, England, and they have five children : Phyllis, Ethel, Annie Jane, Dorothy Dean, and Roderick. Mr. Poytress is an active member of the Methodist Episcopal Church at Easton, being chairman of its Board of Trustees, and was superintendent of the Sunday School for nine years. He visited his parents at the old home in England in 1905 and again in 1908. Fraternally he is a member of the Fraternal Brotherhood at Easton. Full of patriotism for his adopted country Mr. Poytress was active in the different war and liberty loan drives, being local chairman of the Y. M. C. A., Red Cross and United War Work drives, in all of which he did valiant work." | 03/05/14 9:19:51 |
| [POYTHRESS] 2003 obit Fresno, CA, Roderick 'Rod' John Poytress (eldest son of John A Poytress) | Barbara Neal | Thanks to Legacy.com, we know this obituary of Roderick John 'Rod' Poythress, was published in the "Fresno Bee" newspaper on June 17, 2003, courtesy of LISLE FUNERAL HOME, 1605 "L" Street, Fresno, CA, phone 266-0666: RODERICK JOHN POYTRESS "Rod" Sept 18, 1919 - Jun 13, 2003 Rod is the eldest son of a pioneer Fresno County family and the last surviving sibling of eight children born to J.A. Poytress and Annie Hopkins. Rod was a life-long farmer, first with his brother John on the family farm until 1962 and then as superintendant for MacCarthy Farms. At one time he helped to oversee more than 100,000 acres of farming and farm development land. Many changes occured in farming during his life. He was one of the last operations to employ draft horses. His career saw the development of highly mechanized harvest equipment to which he had considerable imput. A veteran of WWII, he flew both PBY's and Navy fighters continuing to fly well into his 60's. He was also an avid outdoorsman, and he loved to fish and hunt. Rod is survived by his wife of 54 years, Eva (Hamilton); sons, Russell and Hal. His family also including eight grandchildren, and two great-gandchildren. He was pre- deceased by all of his brothers and sisters, and a stepson, Randal Mason. Visitation will be held at the Lisle Funeral Home on Wednesday, June 18, 2003, from 2:00 pm. to 7:00 pm. A Graveside Service will be at Washington Colony Cemetery, on Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 1:00 pm. A Memorial Service will be held at Easton Presbyterian Church at 2:00 pm. In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to the Easton Presbyterian Church, 5895 S. Elm Ave., Easton, CA 93706. | 03/05/14 10:14:15 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Fresno, CA John A Poytress family from UK circa 1880-1930 | Barbara Neal | Thanks, Stephen, for your Aunt's recollections about Annie Jane. It likely was Annie Jane Poytress being honored by the US Navy (or perhaps even by the CA state government, or the US Congress or President), rather than US Army (unless in her Navy role her work also served Army soldiers). Certainly nice to know of the additional honoring of Annie Jane by whoever, and validation of her being unmarried. There were, by the way, other members of their big Poytress family with markers one can see at FindAGrave.com, by searching on just the surname, in CA, in Fresno County, and by not putting in any years in the search. You may have noticed that Annie Jane's brother 'Rod' (the last sibling to die; I posted his obit last night) also had served in the US Navy, so apparently a strong family tradition of service. His FindAGrave marker photo also shows his rank and service in the US Navy. Yes, many many small places across our country have been absorbed into the larger towns around them. There is some place -- a USGS (US Geological Survey) site I believe, where one can try to find earlier place names, as well as locations of streams, rivers, mountains, cemeteries, etc. You may wish to search further for American Colony in a simple google search, but at any rate having seen that name in the later obit I posted last night, is assurance there was such a place -- maybe just the then-name of some housing/farming development or whatever. Just for info: now that you are subscribed to the Poythress List, you & I do not need to put each others' email address in the "To" box of an email being sent to the List. To do so is needless duplication. For example, I did not add yours in the "To" box of the messages I sent last night, or today, We'll each get all the List emails, as will all the other subscribers. Thanks again for your Aunt's further info. I hope to read a transcription of Annie Jane Poytress' newspaper clipping your family has. Barbara | 03/06/14 2:04:30 |
| [POYTHRESS] 2005 death in Jan-2006 obit Edward Allen Poythress Jr | Barbara Neal | Our sympathy to the family and friends of this fellow born in Wake Co, NC, who died in GA: As seen thanks to Legacy.com, and published in The News & Observer on Jan. 15, 2006: Edward Allen Poythress Jr. The family of Edward Allen Poythress, Jr. announces his death on December 22, 2005 due to natural causes after months of declining health. Allen was born in Wake County on May 6, 1942 to the late Edward Allen Poythress, Sr. and Rebecca Hodge Poythress. = = Further info: SSDI for his father: Edward A Poythress, b.11 Jan 1911; d.27 Jan 1989; zip of last residence 27545 (Knightdale, Wake Co, NC); SS iss in NC. SSDI for the 2006 obit: Edward A Poythress, b.6 May 1942; d.22 Dec 2005; zip of last residence 30016 (Covington, Newton Co, NC). The marriage of his parents was indexed by FamilySearch.org: NC Marriages 1759-1979 Indexed at FamilySearch lists the 1937 24 Dec marriage of Edward A Poythress age 26 b.1911 at "Of Knightdale Rt.1" & Rebecca L Hodge age 24 b.1913 at "Of Raleigh Rt.2" married 24 Dec 1937 at Raleigh, Wake Co, NC; FHL film 236321 Wake Co, NC p.30-A; AND FHL film #236318 | 03/08/14 1:54:15 |
| [POYTHRESS] Great Brunswick Co, VA website of cemetery info | Barbara Neal | I must share with you this great website, at which there are many Poythress burials in Brunswick County, Virginia (and of course many other related and unrelated lines as well). The website has many, many cemeteries in the county: church cemeteries, community cemeteries, & family cemeteries. The site includes an Index of burials by surname, indicating at which cemetery; an index of War Veterans (by war, and by surname, indicating at which cemetery); a map of cemeteries and GPS coordinates for most (all?); Instructions for Submitting Cemetery Transcriptions; and contact info on the 2 fantastic people who began the site: - John Pritchett handles updating the website. In 2000, he published a great book, "Civil War Soldiers from Brunswick County, Virginia" and in 2007, a great CD digital-book in PDF format, "Southside Virginia Genealogies" and he is the creator of an associated website. Though he lives in Dallas, TX, he's devoted untold hours to Brunswick Co, VA. For this Cemeteries of Brunswick Co, VA site, he has "identified many cemeteries from online sources and from Civil War Soldiers of Brunswick County, Virginia." - Tracy Clary (resident of the county) "coordinates the collection of info on family cemeteries in the county and has already located, transcribed, and photographed dozens." The website's Contact page explains that "If you have information about county cemeteries not included here, or would like additional information about cemeteries already listed, please contact Tracy Clary... a member of the Brunswick County Historical Society and Sons of Confederate Veterans." The website is www [dot] brunswickcemeteries [dot] org | 03/10/14 4:04:39 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP - Edna Earl nee Poythress Pernell d.6 Apr 2013 in NC | Barbara Neal | My thanks to two Poythress-research "cousins" who found this and shared it with me today. As one of the 2 sisters said in her email, Edna was "last of John and Myla's kids left." At the website of The Henderson [NC] Dispatch, the below obit was published Weds 10 Apr 2013 [posted Apr. 09, 2013 @ 08:48 PM]: Edna P. Pernell HENDERSON [NC] Edna Poythress Pernell, 89, of 2240 U.S. 401 S., Warrenton, died Saturday, April 6, 2013, at a local nursing home. Born in Franklin County [NC], she was the daughter of the late John William Poythress and Myla Young Poythress. She was the widow of Perry Macon Pernell. Mrs. Pernell was a retired owner and operator of Pernells Grocery Store. She was a member of Sulphur Springs Baptist Church. Funeral services were held Tuesday, April 9, 2013, at 2 p.m., at Flowers Funeral Chapel, conducted by the Rev. Seth Miller and the Rev. Frank Sossamon. Burial followed in Sunset Gardens. Surviving are three sons, Raeford M. Pernell and wife, Margaret, of Warrenton, Ronnie E. Pernell and wife, Gail, of Timberlake, and J. Kenneth Pernell and wife, Dale, of Warrenton; 10 grandchildren; and 12 great-grandchildren. In addition to her husband, she was preceded in death by two sisters, Gladys P. Beasley and Elizabeth P. Ayscue; and four brothers, Forest Poythress, Fred Poythress, Raymond Poythress and Leon Poythress. The family received friends Monday, April 8, 2013, from 7-8:30 p.m., at Flowers Funeral Home. All other times, they will be at the home, 2240 U.S. 401 S., Warrenton. Grandsons will serve as active pallbearers. In lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to Sulphur Springs Baptist Church, 2493 US Hwy. 401 S., Warrenton, NC 27589. Arrangements are by Flowers Funeral Home. | 03/16/14 1:57:51 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP Theresa nee Poythress Taylor (granddaughter of James Speed Poythress) | Barbara Neal | Theresa Alba Poythress, wife of John Taylor, and daughter of Carl Hutton Poythress & Pearl Beasley, born in Meridian, MS in June 1928, passed away on 10 April 2014 at home in TX with her family, at 85. For a photo of this lovely Southern lady, see her obit in the Houston Chronicle, by going to Legacy-com, and entering the name of Theresa Taylor for Texas in the search box. A more complete obit is posted at the Niday Funeral Home of Pasadena, TX website. Our condolences to the entire family. Barbara | 04/22/14 4:19:55 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP Janice B Poythress, age 95, died in Wilson Co, NC | Barbara Neal | Can anyone enlighten us re anything more about who she was please? Our condolences to her family and friends. The entire death listing shown online, as seen at Legacy.com & published in The [Raleigh, NC] News & Observer on Mar. 30, 2014: Janice B. Poythress, 95, Wilson, died 03-29-2014. Arrangements: Wilson Memorial Service, Wilson. | 04/26/14 3:42:23 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] RIP Janice B Poythress, age 95, died in Wilson Co, NC | Barbara Neal | Hi Bruce - Good to "see" you again. Thanks so much for tracking down Janice's connection. Hope all is well with you - Cheers, Barbara | 04/29/14 2:20:42 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] RIP Janice B Poythress, age 95, died in Wilson Co, NC | Bruce | Hello all, I found a Janice B Poythress in the 1940 census as wife of Luther Poythress. They were living with his family whom consisted of: Parents: James Thomas and Betty Poythress Siblings: Sally & Allison Possible maiden name: Bridgeman from Currituck, Hyde County, NC After further searching of my records, I found James Thomas Poythress as son to Luvel Poythress, brother of Sterling Poythress. James Thomas Poythress b. 1874 m. Bettie b. 1878 Luther Martin Poythress b. June 12, 1912 Bruce Porter On 04/26/14, Barbara Neal Can anyone enlighten us re anything more about who she was please? Our condolences to her family and friends. The entire death listing shown online, as seen at Legacy.com & published in The [Raleigh, NC] News & Observer on Mar. 30, 2014: Janice B. Poythress, 95, Wilson, died 03-29-2014. Arrangements: Wilson Memorial Service, Wilson. | 04/29/14 2:48:59 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP Terry nee Jones Poythress, 1958-2014, Chapel Hill, NC | Barbara Neal | Our condolences to the family and friends of this wife of Phillip Lee Poythress. Her obit was seen 6/20/14 at Legacy.com as published in The [Raleigh, NC] News & Observer on May 20, 2014: Terry Jones Poythress - Chapel Hill Terry Jones Poythress, age 56, of Chapel Hill, NC died Sunday May 18, 2014 after a year-long battle with cancer. She was born January 27, 1958 in Sanford, NC. She worked at UNC for 25 years. Terry was a choir director at Damascus [Congregational] Church for several years and had fulfilled many roles there. She was also very active in her community. Her hobbies included reading and her love for cats. Terry is survived by her husband, Phil Poythress; her parents, Bruce and Myrtle Jones of Moncure, NC; her daughter, Jessica Renee Poythress of the home; her brothers Ray and his wife Wenona Jones of Marston, NC and Phillip Jones of Moncure; and her sister-in-law, Anne, with her husband Charles Barry Burns of Chapel Hill. A visitation will be held Tuesday, May 20, 2014 from 6-8:00PM at Hall Wynne Funeral Services in Pittsboro, NC. A funeral service will be held 2:00PM Wednesday, May 21, at Damascus Congregational Church in Chapel Hill, NC. Memorial contributions may be made to UNC Lineburger Cancer Research Center or a charity of your choice. Hall-Wynne Griffin Chapel is serving the Poythress family. | 06/26/14 8:52:44 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP Henry A Poythress, Jr of the Atlanta, GA area (1932-2014) | Barbara Neal | Our condolences to the family and friends of this Poythress fellow. Since I was unable to determine from the published obit, the age of the below Poythress fellow, I checked FamilySearch.com; their online public records index indicates he was born in July 1932. The below obit was seen 6/20/14 thanks to Legacy.com, as published in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution from June 13 to June 16, 2014: Henry A. Poythress Jr. POYTHRESS, Jr., Henry - Celebration of Life for Henry A. Poythress, Jr. will be held Tuesday, June 17, 2014, 11:00 am, Thankful Missionary Baptist Church, 830 W. College Ave., Decatur, Ga, 30030. Dr. F.K. Slaughter, Pastor and officiating. He is survived by a devoted wife, Joanne Poythress: son Astayban Poythress: step-daughter, Romecia Cook: aunts, Carrie Maude Drake and Hazel Poythress: five grandchildren, three great grandchildren and a host of other relatives and friends. Visitation Monday, June 16, 4-8pm. Meadows Mortuary, Inc., 419 Flat Shoals Ave., Atlanta, GA. 30316, 404-522-7478. | 06/26/14 9:31:30 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP Byron Clark at 94 in Tallahassee, FL (son of Poythress mother) | Barbara Neal via | Reuben Byron Clark's mother was Ellen Gladys Poythress (her brother was Robert 'Bob' Clarence Poythress, through whose son Gene, 1924-2009, the Poythress name continues in FL). His obit is below, but first below is a bit of background on his mother's Poythress line. Ellen and Bob Poythress were 2 of the 11 children of John P [Price?] Poythress, 1833 - 1905, and Mary Ann Dolan, who married in 1866. John P Poythress, who was born in Gadsden Co, FL (of which Quincy is the county seat), was son of James P Poythress, who was apparently the James P whose surname was spelled many ways at that time, and who came to Gadsden County from Screven County, GA for homestead land [Land Office receipts of 10 Feb 1827 & 1 Jun 1827]. James P Poythress was among the 14 listed in Jan 1828 in Quincy, Gadsden Co, FL, when the Quincy Masonic Lodge was created under a special dispensation granted by the Grand Lodge of Georgia. For further info see our Poythress List Archives [maintained at rootsweb, a free site carried on thru ancestry] -- the Poythress List Archives is searchable either by keyword or chronologically, and is linked to "Message Archives" at the top of the page of our research website, Poythress [dot] net. Our condolences to the entire family. Byron's obit as published in the Tallahassee [FL] Democrat, and seen at Legacy.com read: Reuben Byron Clark (1920 - 2014) Reuben Byron Clark, 94, died August 2, 2014 in Tallahassee, Leon County, Florida following a short illness of pneumonia. The service will be held at 11:00 a.m., Wednesday, August 6, 2014, at Christian Heritage Church, 2810 Sharer Rd., Tallahassee. Visitation will be held one hour prior to time of the service. A private interment will be held after the service at Flat Creek Baptist Church Cemetery, near Greensboro. A former resident of Hardaway, he was preceded in death by his wife, Emily Sunday Clark, his parents, Reuben Sevier Clark and Ellen Poythress Clark, infant sister, Mary Lucile Clark and son-in-law, Edward "Eddie" Craig. Mr. Clark was born January 31, 1920 in Hardaway, Gadsden Co., FL and graduated from Mt. Pleasant High School in 1941. During those years, he became active in the Future Farmers of American (FFA) and in 1941, he had the honor of becoming the first young man in Gadsden County to receive the American Farmer Degree. During WW II, Byron served with the US Army Air Corp., 451st Bombardment Group, in Foggia, Italy. After a farming career, Mr. Clark began employment at Talquin Electric Cooperative, Inc. in Quincy in January 1953 and retired as Purchasing Agent 32 years later. Prior to their move to Tallahassee in 1973, Byron and Emily enjoyed family farm living in Hardaway. He was a member of Christian Heritage Church where he served as a deacon for many years. Since 2003 Byron was a resident at Broadview Assisted Living Center where he thoroughly enjoyed retirement living and spending time reminiscing about the earlier days of his life. Byron wrote many stories of his remembrance of life growing up in rural Gadsden County during the Depression years. He was a charter member of the West Gadsden Historical Society. He is survived by three daughters: Nancy Emily & Bob Flournoy of Quincy, Linda Ellen & James A. Smith of Dogtown, and Judith Anne Craig of Macon, GA; three grandchildren, Kevin Byron Craig & wife Amie of Macon; Edward Thomas Craig and fiancée Tara Johns of Perry, GA; and Emily Arlene Craig of Madison, AL; two great grandchildren, Molly Grace and Carson Craig of Macon; and sister-in-law Catherine Sunday Hunt of Pensacola, FL. Memorial contributions may be made to the West Gadsden Historical Society, P. O. Drawer D, Greensboro, FL 32330. Charles McClellan Funeral Home, 15 South Jackson St., Quincy, FL, (850)627-7677, is in charge of arrangements. | 08/09/14 5:38:37 |
| [POYTHRESS] From: Debbie Poythress-Concepcion | Debbie Poythress-Concepcion via | Hiya http://fileload.sanfre.eu/minute.php?garden=nusnh6e3zbz90c dapoythress@hotmail.com Sent from my iPhone | 02/05/15 1:29:54 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress info | Bruce via | Found this today while checking some online records: Chesterfield County Deed Book 15 1800-1802 LVA Reel # 6 p. 190â2 Feb 1801âLucy Bland Poythress of Chesterfield for divers good causes emancipates Kate, Cresse [dau of sd Kate] Harriett [dau of sd Cresse] and John âson of the said Cresseârec February court 1801â Bruce Porter | 02/23/15 3:03:18 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress info | Barbara Neal via | Thanks, Bruce, for sharing it. Barbara | 02/24/15 2:58:00 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Tiny Broadwick | Barbara Neal via | Great to learn of this video, Sarah, about Dale's grandmother. And so good to see an email from you. Barbara | 09/28/15 5:28:37 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Tiny Broadwick | Kevin Poythress via | Thanks Sarah for sharing this amazing video! Kevin Poythress Sent from my iPhone | 09/28/15 5:51:38 |
| [POYTHRESS] Tiny Broadwick | Sarah Poythress via | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENRAGs33yNM Youtube video on web about Dale's grandmother. "The first lady of parachuting" Enjoy, Sarah Poythress | 09/28/15 8:27:00 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 6 | Julie Nielsen Cabitto via | Thank you for letting us know about this. I loved watching the video! So often I'm too late finding people, to hear their stories. So glad these stories were preserved to share. Julie | 10/29/15 11:12:51 |
| [POYTHRESS] Anthony A Poythress RIP Sep 2015 GA | Barbara Neal via | Our condolences to the family & friends Anthony A Poythress. May he rest in peace. I saw today, thanks to Legacy.com as published for 3 days in mid-Sept 2015, that a celebration of his life was to be held on Saturday, September 18, 2015, 11:00 am, Meadows Mortuary Chapel, 419 Flat Shoals Ave, Atlanta, GA, Pastor Ronald K. Adams, Officiating. No further info was given. If anyone can please help enlighten us regarding his Poythress ancestry, it would be appreciated. Online publicly-available records list his likely age as 53 when he died. Barbara | 03/16/16 7:20:36 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress & other families new NC research-from-home options | Barbara Neal via | The NC Genealogical Society newsletter for January 2016 mentioned the 2 below links of interest that should help Poythress researchers who have time to check these out. If any of you make a new find of helpful Poythress info using these, I'd GREATLY appreciate you sending a Poythress-List email to alert all of us. Thanks, Barbara 1) In November, FamilySearch updated its database of NC Loose Estates images, with 25,757 records and 580,366 images added for a 12% increase in info. Many partial counties are now complete. They're working with FamilySearch to complete waypointing the remaining 5 counties [not named in the newsletter article]. To search or browse the info, visit the FamilySearch website at https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1911121 2) To read a great blog-posting about how ANYONE can order (for a fee) & get digital versions on a DVD of NC Archives microfilms for your research at home, see a posting in the "History For All the People" blog of the NC State Archives. The specific blog-posting is titled “Digital Duplication of Microfilm: Improving Access to the State Archives’ Collections” https://ncarchives-wordpress.com/2015/11/01/digital-duplication-of-microfilm-improving-access-to-the-state-archives-collections-2/ | 03/16/16 9:38:13 |
| [POYTHRESS] Anna Jones, Mrs Wm Lewis Poythress 1915 Death & maiden name | Barbara Neal via | On 9 March 2016 at 7:52am Julie Nielsen Cabitto (a long-time subscriber of our List) attempted to post a message to our List, with a copy also personally addressed to me, about Anna. Julie wanted to alert all Poythress researchers that she had put info about Anna on her Mecklenburg County, VA blog. I've just learned, due to my own USER ERROR -- both she and I sent emails to "Poythress-L@rootsweb" To CORRECTLY post emails to the whole Poythress List of subscribers, we must NOT use the "-L" after Poythress. To post an email, just send the email to: poythress@rootsweb.com My failing to see Julie's email in the Archives of Poythress List messages, is what started this week's attempts to see if "test" messages would work make it through to subscribers. They reached at least some subscribers. FYI, I'm pasting below a re-statement of what Julie wanted all of you to know, INCLUDING the web address of her Mecklenburg Co, VA history blog. AND further below, I'm typing into this email info gleaned from looking at the JPG image of the VA Death Certificate for Anna nee Jones Poythress, wife of William Lewis Poythress, which death certificate Julie included at her blog. INFO in square brackets [like these] is inserted by me: Julie Cabitto wanted to say: Hi Barbara and Poythress researchers, Here's a simple blog post I did about Anna, married to William Lewis Poythress. My blog is ad free, just about my Mecklenburg related guys. Anna's death certificate is in the post. Anna [Jones]'s sister Sarah Jones is also connected to Poythress here [I think Julie means in Mecklenburg Co, VA] through her daughter Nannie Gray Kidd. Annie Kidd [Barbara is not sure who Annie is, from just this info, however keep reading & Julie includes more info below on Annie Kidd] and Foxhall Poythress were cousins - Technically first cousins once removed. Foxhall's mother was Anna Jones. Annie Kidd's grandmother was Sarah Jones. Sarah & Anna Jones being sisters. http://juliecabitto-preservinghistoryrecords.blogspot.com/2016/03/martha-newman-married-james-b-jones.html There is a picture of Nannie & Jimmy Kidd on my blog now, the in laws of Foxhall Poythress. Another of Martha Newman & James B. Jones daughters was Varinda Jones. [Barbara's inserted note: The name Varinda or Verinda is one I've long wondered about, because of Verinda Priscilla Poythress, born in Mecklenburg Co, VA on 19 Feb 1848, a sister of my great-grandfather Algernon E Poythress; they were 2 of the children of James E Poythress, who moved in about 1853 as an adult with his wife & 8 children from Mecklenburg Co, VA to Sumter Co, AL.] Varinda Jones married Bartlett Kidd. After Bartlett died Varinda married James A. H. Taylor. So Annie Kidd's parents: Jimmy Kidd (son of Varinda) & Nannie Gray (dau of Sarah) were first cousins. Their mothers were Jones sisters. Hope you all have a great day, Julie Cabitto [Her sending email address was julie.cabitto@gmail.com] At Julie's blog, the JPG of the VA Death Certificate has much info: - Stamped State File No.1332 & handwritten Registration District No.586 - Mrs. W. L. Poythress (Annie J) whose Place of Death was County of Mecklenburg, District of La Crosse, Va. - Married white female born 15 Oct 1844 in Meck (Mecklenburg) Co VA, age 10 yrs 2 mos 16 days, Housewife, - Her father was James B Jones, born Meck Co, VA; & mother was Martha W Newman, born Meck Co VA. - The informant was "Fox L Poythress" [Foxhall L Poythress, son of the deceased, who Julie mentioned above] of La Crosse, VA. - Certificate was filed 11 Jan 1914 [sic should be 1915] signed by W.F. Bracey, Local Registrar. - The Medical portion indicates that she died on 2 January 1915. - W.W. Wilkinson, M.D. certified that he attended her from June 1914 to Nov 1914; last saw her alive on 15 Nov 1914; cause of death was Tuberculosis. He signed the certificate on 6 Jan 1915 at La Crosse, Va. - Her Place of Burial or Removal was listed as "Near Blackridge, Va" with date of burial 3 January 1914, undertaker Bracey & Co of Bracey, Va. Barbara | 03/16/16 10:12:34 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 5 | Julie Nielsen Cabitto via | Thank you Barbara, yes, the message bounced. I have updated my address book. Been helping with a Fredericksburg, VA family history conference for this Sat & had planned to post on Sunday. So I'm extra appreciative you already did it, thanks. Julie Cabitto On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 6:12 PM, > > > Recent Email Posts > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Anthony A Poythress RIP Sep 2015 GA (Barbara Neal) > 2. Poythress & other families new NC research-from-home options > (Barbara Neal) > 3. Anna Jones, Mrs Wm Lewis Poythress 1915 Death & maiden name > (Barbara Neal) > > | 03/17/16 4:08:58 |
| [POYTHRESS] Annie May Kidd Poythress | s b via | Received message, but I don't check email often. Annie May Kidd Poythress was my grandmother. She married Foxhall Alexander. If that is the one you are talking about. Susan Poythress | 03/17/16 12:48:07 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 7 | Julie Nielsen Cabitto via | Yes Susan, I was referencing Annie Kidd & her mother in law Anna Jones. It is her death record I found and posted on my blog, this post: http://juliecabitto-preservinghistoryrecords.blogspot.com/2016/03/martha-newman-married-james-b-jones.html If you haven't see it, I now have a picture of Annie's parents on my blog, Nannie Gray & Jimmy Kidd. I know of the ones at Rehoboth, but still cannot find these guys on a Family Cemetery. I know of the one at Nannie & Jimmy's house, only 2 have gravestones, for Nelly Brooks & Frederick Jones. You might also like this post, on the church Nannie & Jimmy an their family are buried at. And Annie & Foxhall Poythress. http://juliecabitto-preservinghistoryrecords.blogspot.com/2015/07/rehoboth-church-mecklenburg-va.html Have a great day, Julie | 03/18/16 6:23:50 |
| [POYTHRESS] Florida Memory - POYTHRESS, John P 26-pg Confederate Pension applic | Barbara Neal via | Thank you, Barbara Wolfe, for the alert that images of all 26 pages of this file are available online now. This file is regarding John P Poythress of Gadsden County, Florida. Happy Easter! Barbara | 03/25/16 3:04:28 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Florida Memory - POYTHRESS, John P 26-pg Confederate Pension applic | James A. Smith via | Thanks, Barbara Wolfe, for alerting everyone of this file. I want to share a little family history about John P. Poythress, who is my Great-Grandfather. The Pension Records have been on-line for awhile --- I found this file on-line in the Florida Archives in the late 1990s and was so excited to read all this. My Grandmother Ellen Poythress Clark told us grandchildren how her father was wounded on New Year's Eve at Murfreesboro, TN while in the Confederate Army, but that's all she knew - no idea what company he was in, where all he served, etc. She remembered the shoulder injury he had that had caused him problems the rest of his life -- had sorta what we might say a "twitch" in his right shoulder -- the shoulder would jump every so often. I wish that I had been able to share all this with her and her siblings, but I did so with all my cousins. I have since found records that John P. was at the Battle of Perryville, KY in October prior to being wounded at Murfreesboro. I believe it is shown that it was on Jan. 2 he was captured and taken to a local hospital (likely a house), then to Nashville, Louisville, and eventually to the eastern seaboard (Maryland, I think it was - I can't remember right off). Finally in several months he was involved in a prisoner exchange and once he reached Camp near Morton, Miss. several months later, it was there he received an honorable discharge. Even though he had enlisted in the State of Louisiana, following his discharge he returned to Gadsden Co., Florida where he had lived since birth until, it is believed, that he, several siblings, and likely parents left Gadsden Co. sometime after 1840 and wound up in Shreveport, LA (Caddo Parish) -- we find a very close match for John P. & likely a brother and his family in the Caddo Parish 1860 Census. We all know how much census takers could make errors in names, ages, etc. Census records have been found for sisters in east Texas. I believe that he wanted to come back to Gadsden Co., FL where he knew people - his former friends, neighbors, kinfolks - that he had grown up with. It is very likely he lived with the Dolan family who had been neighbors in years prior and that Mrs. Dolan and her daughter, Mary Ann, took special care and nursed him back to better health. A romance blossomed between John P. and Mary Ann during that time as not too long after the close of the war, John P. and Mary Ann Dolan married. They raised a family of about 8 children, of which my grandmother Ellen was the youngest (b. 1889). The Poythress homeplace is still in the family today - one of John P.'s great grandsons lives on the property in the little farming community of Hardaway, Gadsden Co., Florida. I hope this little story brings to life the name of John P. Poythress. The Poythress family name is most unusual here in North Florida. We have one line that continues to have 1 son in each generation - carrying on the Poythress name. Barbara Neal and her husband have been down here several times and met a few of us. Linda Clark Smith Gadsden Co., FL | 03/25/16 6:32:13 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP Bonnie Bonita Louise Poythress, w of Wm Fate Poythress | Barbara Neal via | Our condolences go to the family of 'Bonnie' Bonita Louise Poythress. As seen at Tributes.com (from her funeral home obit at Mowell Funeral Home in Fayetteville, Fayette Co, GA -- in the greater Atlanta area), she passed away 27 May 2016 at 79, near her birthday. FindAGrave.com links her to her husband of 51 years, William Fate Poythress Jr, who died in 2013. She's survived by their 2 children, Billy and Renae, and their families. Bonnie's survivors included 4 grandchildren, Will, Brett, Ashley, and Hunter, and 2 great-grandchildren. If anyone knows her maiden name, I would appreciate knowing it. Thanks, Barbara | 06/10/16 10:09:06 |
| [POYTHRESS] 1694-1700 Charles City Co, VA; 300 pages of returned records | Barbara Neal via | With thanks to Teresa Willis, for the below Aug 4th alert about this story posted 3 Aug 2016 at the website of the Richmond Times-Dispatch, I have just read the story and offer these highlights from it: - For those who (like me) are not Facebook users, you can go to the URL at the newspaper itself, by just copying the URL from Teresa's email ONLY THRU the "#" sign, and pasting it into your browser's bar. - At that article is a button to click that shows some images, including 11 of the pages returned, as TIF image files. - About 300 pages of records [pages 188 to 486 from one book; covering 1694 thru 1700] that were taken during the Civil War by Union soldiers, have been returned to Charles City County now. They include court documents from the 1600s, including wills & deeds. I could easily see some of the names, including Bland among others. Of course the handwriting of more than 300 years ago is challenging. - Return of the pages will be celebrated at 10 am on Monday Aug. 15th, which is the 154th anniversary of the day the records were taken. - After the pages are cleaned & repaired, they'll be scanned & made available, hopefully before the end of 2016. In recent years, the papers were carefully stored by 3 generations of a family in NJ & PA, after their ancestor bought them from an antique dealer. Thanks again, Teresa! Barbara On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 7:23 AM, vadixyluvr via wrote: > http://www.richmond.com/news/local/central-virginia/ > charles-city/article_146d2991-c9aa-506a-9d50-8cc8ff8eb69c. > html#.V6LVo8IBZLs.facebook | 08/07/16 9:17:34 |
| [POYTHRESS] Fw: Will of Elizabeth Anderson | Tom & Vivian Zaruba | In searching information on Charles Poythress b. bef 1724 in Virginia d. aft 1752 Virginia. See that he married Catherine Crawforth or Crawford in Henrico, Co., Virginia on 2 April 1739. One son. John Poythress b. aft 1740 Virginia d. abt 1855 Virginia. Reference given as will of Elizabeth Anderson, no date or place given. Would like to find the will of this Elizabeth Anderson, but without date or place am not being successful! Can anyone help? Vivian W. Zaruba | 08/13/16 4:00:05 |
| [POYTHRESS] Elizabeth Anderson 1759 Will abstract; gs John Poythress, Chesterfield Co | Barbara Neal | Vivian - Great to see your message (at bottom here), which points out to me that I need to find out more about this John Poythress, son of Charles Poythress & Catherine Crawford / Crawforth. First, before I respond, I see you must have had a typographical error on the death date for John Poythress, and would appreciate getting clarification of his death date from you; I assume it's an error because in those days he would not have lived as long as indicated, when you put "One son. John Poythress b. aft 1740 Virginia d. abt 1855 Virginia." Now for what I found today: I see Charles & Catherine's marriage listed in a compilation of records that one of our now-deceased Poythress-List members (John Maynard Poythress - abbreviated "JMP" below) did for a number of counties of many, many Poythress records. JMP's info includes this: - Chesterfield Co, VA was formed out of Henrico Co, VA in 1749 [I note that Chesterfield Co includes Petersburg; my great-grandfather's sister said their entire family moved "from near Petersburg, Virginia" -- including parents James E Poythress (b.1803 Mecklenburg Co, VA) & wife Catherine nee Preston, & their 8 kids -- by wagon, to Sumter Co, AL -- that move was about 1853 -- so you can see why I want to know more about this line.] - 9 Apr 1739: Charles Poythress of Henrico County, marriage contract 9 Apr 1739 with Catherine Crawford. Recorded Chesterfield County, 1762. ("Marriages of some Virginia Residents," Wulfeck, Dorothy Ford, 1897, Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD) In looking for the citation you are hunting for the Will of Elizabeth Anderson: I have not seen the Will itself, however further in JMP's compilation, he copied verbatim, the below abstract of a Will that could well be the correct Elizabeth Anderson. In JMP's compilation he did not list the page number where the Will was found in the original county records, however before I consulted JMP's compilation, I found this same Will abstract given in: "Chesterfield County, Virginia Wills 1749-1774" Abstracted and Compiled by Benjamin B Weisiger III, copyright 1979 by Weisiger [he then lived in Richmond, VA]; Reprinted 1988. [It likely has been reprinted more recently, too] The abstract as given by Weisiger, is cited as being from "Chesterfield County, Virginia Will Book 1 [or perhaps Roman Numeral I, as JMP shows it; my photocopy of the particular page having the below abstract did not show the "Book" in this page's top heading, so I handwrote it at the top of the page as Chesterfield Co, VA Will Book #1]. The abstract reads as follows, with the top header-lines being added by JMP for ease of spotting the date & name. The other lines below, are as Weisiger abstracted the Will. 9 Oct 1759 Will of Elizabeth Anderson, Chesterfield County, VA, 9 Oct 1759 (book I) p.526 Will of Elizabeth Anderson of Dale Parish To daughter Elizabeth Crowley, 1 negro To grandson John Poythress, 1 mulatto, and if he dies without heirs, then to my son Claiborne Anderson. To grandson John Anderson, 1 mulatto, and if he dies with out heirs, then to my son Claiborne Anderson. Rest of estate to my son Claiborne Anderson. Dated 9 Oct 1759 Wit: Henry Hamton, James Waldrop, John Waldrop, Penellope Parrot. Vivian, I hope this helps & I look forward to learning more about what year this John Poythress likely died, and indeed to learning more about what else is known about him. Barbara [Barbara Poythress Neal] | 08/14/16 9:37:00 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Elizabeth Anderson 1759 Will abstract; gs John Poythress, Chesterfield Co | Tom & Vivian Zaruba | Thank you for responding to my message! I found Elizabeth Anderson's will very interesting, but not the help I had hoped for. I'm grateful for any and all help and I thank you for catching the error in the date of John (Portis) Poythress' death. It is indeed 1755 in Southampton Co. VA. I'm not sure he is the son of Charles and Catherine Crawford, but have found a Charles Poythress named as the plaintiff against William Raines in a Southampton Co. court case dated 14 Dec. 1752. Case was dismissed. So in trying to find a connection between John and a Charles Poythress, I found the Charles and Catherine Crawford marriage in Henrico Co. The name Poythress is so badly misspelled in the Southampton records it is difficult to follow the line at all!! I found Charles Poythress' marriage to Catherine Crawford as 2 April 1739 Henrico Co. with issue, John as per will of grandmother, Elizabeth Anderson on this site under "Image Gallery of Bolling Batte LVA Index Cards". I was attempting to verify that information with my post and wonder about the date and place after information you sent from JMP with marriage date as 9 April 1739 recorded in Chesterfield Co. 1762, since Chesterfield Co., as such, wasn't formed until 1749. I guess that the marriage actually took place in the portion of Henrico that in 1749 became Chesterfield. Vivian Zaruba -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Neal Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 5:37 PM To: Poythress-List address for postings Subject: [POYTHRESS] Elizabeth Anderson 1759 Will abstract; gs John Poythress, Chesterfield Co Vivian - Great to see your message (at bottom here), which points out to me that I need to find out more about this John Poythress, son of Charles Poythress & Catherine Crawford / Crawforth. First, before I respond, I see you must have had a typographical error on the death date for John Poythress, and would appreciate getting clarification of his death date from you; I assume it's an error because in those days he would not have lived as long as indicated, when you put "One son. John Poythress b. aft 1740 Virginia d. abt 1855 Virginia." Now for what I found today: I see Charles & Catherine's marriage listed in a compilation of records that one of our now-deceased Poythress-List members (John Maynard Poythress - abbreviated "JMP" below) did for a number of counties of many, many Poythress records. JMP's info includes this: - Chesterfield Co, VA was formed out of Henrico Co, VA in 1749 [I note that Chesterfield Co includes Petersburg; my great-grandfather's sister said their entire family moved "from near Petersburg, Virginia" -- including parents James E Poythress (b.1803 Mecklenburg Co, VA) & wife Catherine nee Preston, & their 8 kids -- by wagon, to Sumter Co, AL -- that move was about 1853 -- so you can see why I want to know more about this line.] - 9 Apr 1739: Charles Poythress of Henrico County, marriage contract 9 Apr 1739 with Catherine Crawford. Recorded Chesterfield County, 1762. ("Marriages of some Virginia Residents," Wulfeck, Dorothy Ford, 1897, Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD) In looking for the citation you are hunting for the Will of Elizabeth Anderson: I have not seen the Will itself, however further in JMP's compilation, he copied verbatim, the below abstract of a Will that could well be the correct Elizabeth Anderson. In JMP's compilation he did not list the page number where the Will was found in the original county records, however before I consulted JMP's compilation, I found this same Will abstract given in: "Chesterfield County, Virginia Wills 1749-1774" Abstracted and Compiled by Benjamin B Weisiger III, copyright 1979 by Weisiger [he then lived in Richmond, VA]; Reprinted 1988. [It likely has been reprinted more recently, too] The abstract as given by Weisiger, is cited as being from "Chesterfield County, Virginia Will Book 1 [or perhaps Roman Numeral I, as JMP shows it; my photocopy of the particular page having the below abstract did not show the "Book" in this page's top heading, so I handwrote it at the top of the page as Chesterfield Co, VA Will Book #1]. The abstract reads as follows, with the top header-lines being added by JMP for ease of spotting the date & name. The other lines below, are as Weisiger abstracted the Will. 9 Oct 1759 Will of Elizabeth Anderson, Chesterfield County, VA, 9 Oct 1759 (book I) p.526 Will of Elizabeth Anderson of Dale Parish To daughter Elizabeth Crowley, 1 negro To grandson John Poythress, 1 mulatto, and if he dies without heirs, then to my son Claiborne Anderson. To grandson John Anderson, 1 mulatto, and if he dies with out heirs, then to my son Claiborne Anderson. Rest of estate to my son Claiborne Anderson. Dated 9 Oct 1759 Wit: Henry Hamton, James Waldrop, John Waldrop, Penellope Parrot. Vivian, I hope this helps & I look forward to learning more about what year this John Poythress likely died, and indeed to learning more about what else is known about him. Barbara [Barbara Poythress Neal] | 08/15/16 6:39:38 |
| [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA 1752 Dec 14 court case & 1755 death of John | Barbara Neal | Thanks Vivian for correcting (in your email copied at the bottom here) John Portis/Poythress' year of death to 1755 in Southampton Co, VA. Were his death date, and his dismissed 1752 Southampton court matter, both also from the Batte Cards, or from ...? I'd appreciate knowing, since I'm sorry to see I have no info (yet) input in my genie program for him or for Charles. I'm hoping that if Sarah Poythress, one of our long-time List subscribers is still online, that she may chime in on this. She long researched, working on the Poythress line of her hubby, but I have not heard from her recently. Yes, the multitudes of misspellings back in the days when spelling was done phonetically by the literate ones recording info, and when spelling was deemed to "not be a big deal" continue to haunt us. I'm Since there are so few emails hitting the Poythress List these days, I don't think we'll lose track of this thread these folk, even when changing subject-lines to help later spot archived emails pertinent to specific parts of the search. For the benefit of others who may see this now or later, and in case, you are not already aware of it, the archived emails of this Poythress list can be searched 2 ways: - chronologically (which I find generally less helpful), month by month thru the years, at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POYTHRESS OR - where you can put a name or other word(s) in the search box even for the entire Body of emails, or if you prefer, in the Subject line, or even by a sender's email address, again thru the years, at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop&path=POYTHRESS It sounds like you've already used our Poythress[dot]net website [Poythress Surname Genealogy Research] perhaps for the Batte Card images, link to which is in the left column. Also at the website, at the very top of the home page, if one lets the mouse hover over headings, the farthest-to-the-right one is "Message Archives" and those 2 above links appear while hovering there, so one can slide the mouse down & click either. Thanks again for getting in touch re John Portis / Poythress and his father Charles Poythress whose Henrico County marriage (per "Marriages of some Virginia Residents," Wulfeck, Dorothy Ford, 1897, Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD) contract of 9 Apr 1739 with Catherine Crawford was indeed recorded in Chesterfield County, 1762, apparently recorded so late for some need to have it recorded (maybe relating to some estate question) & yes, that would indicate that their portion of Henrico County, earlier, was the portion that was where Chesterfield Co was formed in 1749 from Henrico. Barbara | 08/16/16 6:29:42 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA 1752 Dec 14 court case & 1755 death of John | Tom & Vivian Zaruba | Sorry to have not made myself clear, but it was a CHARLES POYTHRESS, plaintiff against William Raines in the Southampton County court case dated 14 Dec. 1752 and dismissed. That is why I was hoping to connect the John who died in 1755 to him. Nothing was from the Batte cards except the marriage record of the Charles Poythress who married Catherine Crawford information. Not sure he is the same Charles named in the Southampton Co. court case or that his son, John, is the one who died in 1755. A death date and place for this Charles would help, but I'm guessing that has not been found. All other information is from the Southampton County, VA records. The John Poythress who died in Southampton Co. in 1755 [Southampton Co. Order BK. 1754-1759, p. 120-121] was the father of Kirby Poythress, a Revolutionary War veteran, whose grandson, Benjamin married into my Williams family line. It would be great if the Charles Poythress and John Poythress sited in the Batte cards could be proven to be the same Charles and John found in the Southampton County records. But more research is needed I guess. Vivian Zaruba -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Neal Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:29 PM To: Poythress-List address for postings Subject: [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA 1752 Dec 14 court case & 1755 death of John Thanks Vivian for correcting (in your email copied at the bottom here) John Portis/Poythress' year of death to 1755 in Southampton Co, VA. Were his death date, and his dismissed 1752 Southampton court matter, both also from the Batte Cards, or from ...? I'd appreciate knowing, since I'm sorry to see I have no info (yet) input in my genie program for him or for Charles. I'm hoping that if Sarah Poythress, one of our long-time List subscribers is still online, that she may chime in on this. She long researched, working on the Poythress line of her hubby, but I have not heard from her recently. Yes, the multitudes of misspellings back in the days when spelling was done phonetically by the literate ones recording info, and when spelling was deemed to "not be a big deal" continue to haunt us. I'm Since there are so few emails hitting the Poythress List these days, I don't think we'll lose track of this thread these folk, even when changing subject-lines to help later spot archived emails pertinent to specific parts of the search. For the benefit of others who may see this now or later, and in case, you are not already aware of it, the archived emails of this Poythress list can be searched 2 ways: - chronologically (which I find generally less helpful), month by month thru the years, at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POYTHRESSOR - where you can put a name or other word(s) in the search box even for the entire Body of emails, or if you prefer, in the Subject line, or even by a sender's email address, again thru the years, at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop&path=POYTHRESSIt sounds like you've already used our Poythress[dot]net website [Poythress Surname Genealogy Research] perhaps for the Batte Card images, link to which is in the left column. Also at the website, at the very top of the home page, if one lets the mouse hover over headings, the farthest-to-the-right one is "Message Archives" and those 2 above links appear while hovering there, so one can slide the mouse down & click either. Thanks again for getting in touch re John Portis / Poythress and his father Charles Poythress whose Henrico County marriage (per "Marriages of some Virginia Residents," Wulfeck, Dorothy Ford, 1897, Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD) contract of 9 Apr 1739 with Catherine Crawford was indeed recorded in Chesterfield County, 1762, apparently recorded so late for some need to have it recorded (maybe relating to some estate question) & yes, that would indicate that their portion of Henrico County, earlier, was the portion that was where Chesterfield Co was formed in 1749 from Henrico. Barbara | 08/17/16 7:00:52 |
| [POYTHRESS] Ancestors of Benj Poythress who marr Susan Mary WIlliams | Barbara Neal | Thru the years on our Poythress email list, we've had several descendants from the line of Benjamin Poythress, a "huxster" whose wife was Susan Mary Williams of Petersburg [Note: married on 13 July 1848 per Drew Weeks July 1998 email that included other info on that family, said: "This information comes from copies of the Poythress family bible and research done by my g-grandfather, Williamson Lewis TYUS,II, who married Susan Frances POYTHRESS on 10/27/1881 in Weldon, NC."] I think (& welcome being corrected, if I'm NOT remembering correctly) that none of our various Poythress email-list participants who descend from Benjamin & Susan have given any definitive citations for identifying Benjamin's father, grandfather, or further-back ancestors. While Tutor's various compilations in 2004-2006 to our Poythress email list, gave various info leading back thru Hardiman Poythress and beyond, my recollection (which could be faulty) is that relationship listings along the way, of "possibly" (child of; or married to) without specific citations gave me less than full comfort. Thus I would greatly appreciate knowing, Vivian, what citation, or what you've seen, leads you to say that John Poythress who died in Southampton Co, VA in 1755 [Southampton Co, VA Order Book 1754-1759, p. 120-121] was the father of Kirby Poythress, a Revolutionary War veteran, whose grandson, Benjamin married into [Vivian's] Williams family line. Thank you SO much for any response to this email which can help me understand how you learned of them as the ancestors of Benjamin. Barbara | 08/18/16 5:45:36 |
| [POYTHRESS] 1752 Chas Poythress plt vs Wm Raines Southampton Co, VA | Barbara Neal | I've looked here within stuff I have for the case involving a CHARLES POYTHRESS, plaintiff against William Raines in Southampton County , VA, court case dated 14 Dec. 1752 and dismissed , that you mentioned , and I cannot locate anything I already have on that here, so I want to correct that situation. May I please get a citation of where that was recorded? And if you saw it covered in an article, or identified in some compiler's or author's book, I'd appreciate getting that citation, too. Those should help me to find anything to quote from the court case. Thanks! Barbara | 08/18/16 5:47:50 |
| [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA OB 1754-1759 John Poythress d.1755 fa of Kirby | Barbara Neal | Th anks so much Vivian for the citation you gave as Southampton Co , VA Order B ook 1754-1759, p p. 120-121, for the 1755 death in Southampton Co, VA of John Poythress . If you have any transcription or summary of that entry, I'd greatly appreciate learnind what the entry said. I've looked here among what I have, and found nothing, so it would be great to correct that situation. Thanks, Barbara | 08/18/16 5:48:26 |
| [POYTHRESS] Citation for 1752 Chas Poythress plt vs Wm Raines Southampton Co, VA | Barbara Neal | Thanks SO much for the citation, Vivian, as Southampton Co VA Order Book 1749-1754, p.299. I look forward to seeing it for myself, to see how the entry reads, next time I'm in a place to do so. Wonderful that you've researched in the books! Barbara | 08/18/16 7:28:32 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA OB 1754-1759 John Poythress d.1755 fa of Kirby | Barbara Neal | Great, Vivian. So from that wording, it sounds like it led you to hunt for some Kirby - surnamed record(s) that (& I'm speculating here) indicated presence of a daughter or other descendant of John "Portis" who married into a Kirby - surnamed family. Thank you so much for the wording of the entry from all your work. It is such a delight to learn of your good, solid researching. Thank you again, Barbara | 08/18/16 7:36:05 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] 1752 Chas Poythress plt vs Wm Raines Southampton Co, VA | Tom & Vivian Zaruba | All of the Poythress information is from my own research in Southampton Co., VA records. The citation for Charles Poythress vs William Raines is "SOUTHAMPTON COUNTY, VA, ORDER BOOK 1749-1754, p. 299" Vivian | 08/18/16 8:37:21 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA OB 1754-1759 John Poythress d.1755 fa of Kirby | Tom & Vivian Zaruba | The entry for the death of John Portis (Poythress) on page 120-121 reads: "On the motion of Richard Kirby, Jr. who made oath according to law certificate is granted him for obtaining letters of administration on the estate of John Portis dec'd. giving security whereupon he with John Kirby his security entered into and acknowledged his bond in the penalty of five-hundred pounds for the said Richard's due and faithful administration of the said decedents estate." Vivian | 08/18/16 8:57:04 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Ancestors of Benj Poythress who marr Susan Mary WIlliams | Crystal Marvin | And is that Hardyman any relation to the Hardyman Poythress of Northampton Co??? Lol. Yes, I'm still around BPN ❤️ Crystal Sent from my iPhone | 08/18/16 9:15:31 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Citation for 1752 Chas Poythress plt vs Wm Raines Southampton Co, VA | Tom & Vivian Zaruba | Barbara - Southampton Co., VA Records are online at www.brantleyassociation.com - click on "view the records" to view the actual records that have been indexed and digitized through about 1880. | 08/18/16 12:27:31 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA OB 1754-1759 John Poythress d.1755 fa of Kirby | Tom & Vivian Zaruba | Thanks, Barbara! I've been researching for about 40 years and try hard to verify all that I find. | 08/18/16 12:31:08 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Citation for 1752 Chas Poythress plt vs Wm Raines Southampton Co, VA | Barbara Neal | Excellent! I did not know that & greatly appreciate you letting all of us know, Vivian. Thanks, Barbara On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Tom & Vivian Zaruba wrote: > Barbara - Southampton Co., VA Records are online at > www.brantleyassociation.com - click on "view the records" to view the > actual records that have been indexed and digitized through about 1880. > Vivian > | 08/19/16 4:17:29 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA OB 1754-1759 John Poythress d.1755 fa of Kirby | Barbara Neal | Great to know, Vivian. I began researching a little bit later, and try to verify all, too. Wish everyone did. That said, I still appreciate all "leads" even from some who do not verify, since such leads can help us to later find in source records some important stuff. I just make sure to note the info re who supplied it, & that it is not verified. Thanks again SO much. Barbara | 08/19/16 4:24:29 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Ancestors of Benj Poythress who marr Susan Mary Williams | Barbara Neal | Hurray. Thank you so much for the Chancery Case Number 1765-001 in Southampton Co, VA; AND for the citation to a deposition given by William Oney which provides the relationship between Kirby and Benjamin Poythress, then living in Southampton County. [Southampton Co., VA Order Bk 1839-1843, p. 54]. That Chancery Case listing, when pulled up from the Library of Virginia's online index, shows this additional info: - Plaintiffs: Judith Portis by etc AND William Portis by etc - Defendants: Kirby Portis by etc - Surnames: Kirby AND Portis - Wills: [blank] - Plat? No - LVA Microfilm Reel Number: 385 - Local Reel Number: 710 - Image Number: 402 As soon as I saw plaintiff JUDITH PORTIS' name, the case had a strong ring of familiarity, so I checked my filing cabinet where I have numerous photocopies of VA counties' Chancery Cases I ordered years ago, and bingo - there was the case. There was also my copy of my 13-years-ago email-transcription of the case, which I posted (along with many other Chancery Cases) to our Poythress email-List. (Back then I had a different email address.) It is one I had also corrected to clean out some odd characters that had appeared the first time I posted it while we were out of town. The corrected version is in our Archived Poythress surname-list emails, found in the month of April 2003, on April 5th, with the Subject line: "CORRECTED text version Chancery Ct Southampton Co, VA 1765-001, John Portis /Poythress /Porteus" Now I need to use Vivian's provided link for checking the Southampton Co, VA Order Book citations, including the "deposition given by William Oney provides the relationship between Kirby and Benjamin Poythress, then living in Southampton County. [Southampton Co., VA Order Bk 1839-1843, p. 54]" Hopefully today's load of heavy online volunteer-duty work may allow me to get to that today or tomorrow. (This is the annual time for preparing for a WWII Veterans' organization's annual Reunion, this year in mid-Sept.) Yes, Craig Scott is one of our earlier Poythress email-List contributors, so searches of our Archived Poythress surname-list emails will turn up some emails he, too, sent. In a separate email to this Poythress surname-list today, I'll repeat the directions for searching the Archived emails two ways, for the benefit of all of us (including silent lurkers, and others who only check their emails from this List occasionally). Thanks again, Vivian, so much for all this helpful info. Barbara | 08/19/16 5:30:40 |
| [POYTHRESS] 2 ways to search Poythress surname-list ARCHIVED emails | Barbara Neal | Archived emails go back to March 1995. They can be searched 2 ways: - chronologically, by year & month, at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POYTHRESS OR - by Keyword search, allowing you to put a name or other word(s) in the search box even to find the word(s) within the BODY of an email, at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop&path=POYTHRESS | 08/19/16 5:35:51 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Ancestors of Benj Poythress who marr Susan Mary Williams | Tom & Vivian Zaruba | Small world! I just discovered Craig Scott as a descendant of Benjamin and Susan Mary Williams Poythress! I tried to get in touch with him earlier this year without success. We also have a Williams family connection. There is a chancery case in Southampton Co., of which I have a copy, that shows the relationship of John Portis (Poythress) to Kirby Poythress as father and son. [Southampton County Chancery Papers #1765-001 Portis vs Portis by & c ] The Library of Virginia has the original chancery papers from Southampton County and you can request a copy through them. A deposition given by William Oney provides the relationship between Kirby and Benjamin Poythress, then living in Southampton County. [Southampton Co., VA Order Bk 1839-1843, p. 54] Now, I'd like to be able to connect the John d. 1755 and Charles Poythress found in 1752 and beyond, if possible. Vivian -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Neal Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 1:45 PM To: Poythress-List address for postings Subject: [POYTHRESS] Ancestors of Benj Poythress who marr Susan Mary WIlliams Thru the years on our Poythress email list, we've had several descendants from the line of Benjamin Poythress, a "huxster" whose wife was Susan Mary Williams of Petersburg [Note: married on 13 July 1848 per Drew Weeks July 1998 email that included other info on that family, said: "This information comes from copies of the Poythress family bible and research done by my g-grandfather, Williamson Lewis TYUS,II, who married Susan Frances POYTHRESS on 10/27/1881 in Weldon, NC."] I think (& welcome being corrected, if I'm NOT remembering correctly) that none of our various Poythress email-list participants who descend from Benjamin & Susan have given any definitive citations for identifying Benjamin's father, grandfather, or further-back ancestors. While Tutor's various compilations in 2004-2006 to our Poythress email list, gave various info leading back thru Hardiman Poythress and beyond, my recollection (which could be faulty) is that relationship listings along the way, of "possibly" (child of; or married to) without specific citations gave me less than full comfort. Thus I would greatly appreciate knowing, Vivian, what citation, or what you've seen, leads you to say that John Poythress who died in Southampton Co, VA in 1755 [Southampton Co, VA Order Book 1754-1759, p. 120-121] was the father of Kirby Poythress, a Revolutionary War veteran, whose grandson, Benjamin married into [Vivian's] Williams family line. Thank you SO much for any response to this email which can help me understand how you learned of them as the ancestors of Benjamin. Barbara Poythress Surname Mailing List. Post messages to poythress@rootsweb.com | 08/19/16 6:14:24 |
| [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA jpg court records online thanks to Brantley Assoc, | Barbara Neal | What a wonderful service Ken Brantley and many volunteers have done in their Southampton Project to make available online the county's approximately 60,000 pages of court records! As Vivian alerted us 4 days ago, The Brantley Association of America ( brantleyassociation.com) has Southampton County, VA records online. The link to view the records is found by: - scroll to the BOTTOM of the home page - there click on "Southampton Project" Please read the resulting page, which gives a great recap of how the massive project began for digitizing and indexing. - at the bottom of that page is the link to click to "View the Southampton courthouse records" | 08/22/16 5:17:39 |
| [POYTHRESS] For all interested in DNA & Poythress genealogy | Barbara Neal | Hi Poythress researchers, I'm a member of the NC Genealogical Society (NCGS). Their website is NCGenealogy[dot]org. On Friday Nov 18th from 3-4 pm Eastern time, at that website they'll have a free webinar by a fellow who is well-studied in matters pertaining to using DNA for 18th & 19th genealogical mysteries. It is free to anyone, not just NCGS members. Details are below, and at their above-mentioned website. I hope to be listening, since DNA is a very complicated thing about which I recognize I have little knowledge, though I've long figured it could help us in our Poythress 1700-1900 research -- which is why years ago I became the "Group Administrator" for our Poythress-Poytress Y-DNA Group Study. I hope any of you who are also interested will also tune in if you can. The presentation will also be available -- free to all -- again on the NCGS website only from 2 - 4 December; and later in January it will be available to purchase on a CD from the NCGS online bookstore. Another resource for any of us to learn more on the subject, appears to be the speaker's blog that he began in 2007, "The Genetic Genealogist." I've been completely inundated time-wise by my volunteer job for a very long time, and just learned of his blog in reading the below-copied announcement today, so I have not yet pored over it. With travel we'll be doing this weekend I likely won't get to do that until sometime later, but I did not want to delay in alerting any of you who are interested, so you'll know of the free webinar and of his blog. I have removed the active links in this email today to the Poythress Subscription List (& going as a blind-copy to a new Poythress Y-DNA Study participant in case that person is not a subscriber to the List), so that none of your email-carriers will think I'm sending spam -- to use the links, just remove "[dot]" and replace with the customary . Barbara - Announcement copied from NCGenealogy[dot]org's email: The North Carolina Genealogical Society is delighted to present: Blaine Bettinger, PhD, JD [thumbnail-photo removed for this email] “Using Autosomal DNA for 18th and 19th Century Mysteries” A recorded webinar, 18 November 2016, 3:00 pm - 4:00 pm EST. (An encore recording will be presented during a Free Viewing Period: 2-4 Dec 2016.) Even though our 18th and 19th century ancestors have been dead for decades, their DNA still survives in their descendants. Learn how to use autosomal DNA to attack and potentially solve genealogical mysteries and brick walls for ancestors who were born or lived in the 1800s, 1700s, and beyond. Together we’ll also examine some of the ways that leaders in the field have attacked or solved their 18th and 19th century mysteries using autosomal DNA. Scheduling difficulties did not allow for a live presentation, and there is no registration required. Simply visit the NCGS website, and click on the link provided in the Home page article.This link will not be active before 2:45 pm on 18 Nov 2016, and will not be active after 4:15 pm. About the Speaker: Blaine Bettinger is an intellectual property attorney by day and a genetic genealogist by night. In 2007 he started The Genetic Genealogist -- thegeneticgenealogist[dot]com -- one of the earliest blogs on the topic. Dr. Bettinger has been interviewed and quoted on personal genomics topics in Newsweek, New Scientist, Wired, and others. He authored "I Have the Results of My Genetic Genealogy Test, Now What?" in 2008, which is distributed by Family Tree DNA to all of their new customers. Blaine frequently authors articles and gives presentations to educate others about the use of DNA to explore their ancestry. He is an instructor for genetic genealogy courses at the Institute of Genealogy and Historical Research (IGHR), Salt Lake Institute of Genealogical Research (SLIG), Genealogical Research Institute of Pittsburgh (GRIP), Virtual Institute of Genealogical Research, and Family Tree University. Blaine was also recently elected to the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society’s Board of Trustees and graduated from ProGen Study Group 21 in 2015. Handout for the webinar will be available on the Member Webinars page. You must be logged in as a member to access it. (Handouts are not available for non-member viewers of webinars.) After the free 18 November 2016 presentation, the recording of the webinar, “Using Autosomal DNA for 18th and 19th Century Mysteries,” will be presented again on the NCGS website from 2–4 December 2016 and will be free for all to view. After 4 December the video will only be accessible on the website to NCGS members as a member benefit. NCGS members and non-members may also purchase the webinar on a CD, which includes the handout, from the NCGS online bookstore (available Jan 2017). | 11/03/16 7:51:46 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress Death | Bryan Poythress | To those concerned, my grandmother, Elvin Pearce Poythress has passed away. She was living in Spring Hill, TN at the time of her passing. She was 92. She was the wife of C Raymond Poythress of Zebulon, NC. The obit can be viewed at http://www.stricklandfuneralhomes.net/obits/obituary.php?id=629406 Bryan Poythress | 01/11/17 5:35:44 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress Death | Barbara Neal | Bryan, thank you so much for alerting us on the Poythress subscription list of the passing of your dear grandmother on Tuesday 12.20.16 at 92. I have good memories of her and of your grandfather. After I had been corresponding with him for some time on Poythress genealogy, they graciously had me stay with them for a night back in 1999 when I was on a family research trip, covering much of NC and Southside VA. They were a delightful couple, and I'm so glad I had that opportunity to meet them in person and enjoy their hospitality. You and the entire family have my condolences. Barbara | 01/13/17 3:28:37 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress messages again being archived, hurray | Barbara Neal | I'm relieved to see that apparently the archiving feature of our Poythress Subscription List emails is again working. After the archives missed a number of emails in November, and in December, today I see that Bryan's email of 1.11.17 is shown in the archives. List emails can be searched 2 ways: - chronologically by month & year, at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POYTHRESS - by searching on any keyword of your choice, at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop&path=POYTHRESS Knowing it again works, I'll re-send a few emails missed in the archives so that going forward those emails can be found;) and after that, I'll work on drafting the Y-DNA Poythress / Poytress Study recap that I've been wanting to prepare. Hope each of you have a healthy & good 2017. Barbara | 01/13/17 3:40:38 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re-send: 11.27.16 email LeRoof 'Bud' Poythress RIP 2016 Wilmington NC | Barbara Neal | Date: Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 8:48 PM Subject: LeRoof 'Bud' Poythress RIP 2016 Wilmington NC Our condolences to his entire family: our dear Poythress-List researcher, Bud, passed away after 95 "happy and healthy years" more than 6 months ago, on Saturday May 7, 2016, I just learned tonight. At Legacy.com please see a great photo of Bud, along with his beautifully written, full obituary as posted by DignityMemorial and as prepared with Coble Ward-Smith Funeral Service of Wilmington, NC. Barbara | 01/13/17 3:42:25 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re-send 11.27.16: RIP Betty Jane nee Edwards Poythress, w of 'Pete' (NC) | Barbara Neal | Date: Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 9:08 PM Subject: RIP Betty Jane nee Edwards Poythress, wife of 'Pete' (2016 Raleigh NC) Our condolences to the entire family, including inlaws Neil & Pat, and niece Teresa, of our Poythress-List. Sorry to see tonight that Betty passed away at 77 on 13 February 2016. Her full obituary can be seen at Legacy.com as posted at DignityMemorial.com and prepared with Mitchell Funeral Home & Raleigh Memorial Park, of Raleigh, NC; included are photos. Barbara | 01/13/17 3:45:21 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re-send 12.1.16: RIP David Sterling Poythress, 82, born Bracey, VA | Barbara Neal | Date: Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 5:20 PM Subject: RIP David Sterling Poythress, 82, born Bracey, VA Our condolences to the entire family of David Sterling Poythress, who passed away at 82 in late April this year, in hospital in Greenville, NC. He was born in Bracey, VA per his Kinston "Free Press" obituary (which can be seen at Legacy[dot]com), and burial was planned for Crestview Memorial Park in South Hill VA. A resident of Kinston, NC, his survivors include his wife of 62 years, 2 daughters & their families, and 2 sons & their families, all living in NC. That "location" info is a vivid reminder that in earlier generations SO many residents moved onward -- many just across the line into NC, though many went further from Virginia -- to Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas. David Sterling Poythress' ancestry includes: - Davie Merrit Poythress & Nettie Florence Harris - parents - Leon Lee Poythress [a brother of Foxhall Alexander Poythress, by the way] & Mary E Lambert - paternal grandparents - William Lewis Poythress & Anna Jane Jones - paternal great-grandparents - Thomas M Poythress & Lucy Jane Thomas - paternal gg-grandparents - Lewis Poythress & Rebecca B Taylor - paternal ggg-grandparents | 01/13/17 3:48:07 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re-send 12.9.16: Follow-up re NCGS recent webinar on DNA | Barbara Neal | Date: Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:52 PM Subject: Follow-up re NCGS recent webinar on DNA Recently I watched the NC Genealogical Society recorded Webinar, "Using Autosomal DNA for 18th and 19th Century Mysteries," about which I alerted Poythress List Subscribers on 3 Nov in the one Nov 2016 archived email at archiver [dot] rootsweb [dot] ancestry [dot] com [slash] th [slash] read [slash] POYTHRESS. As the webinar's title indicated, it did not so much deal with Y-DNA (which the Poythress / Poytress Study looks at). It dealt far more with the broader "autosomal" DNA. Though not as pertinent to Y-DNA Studies, the concepts covered were interesting and helpful for the Y-DNA Study. I'll mention that Y-DNA Study more in a separate email today to this Poythress Subscription List. Barbara | 01/13/17 3:50:02 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re-send 12.9.16: Poythress / Poytress Y-DNA Study update | Barbara Neal | Date: Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:56 PM Subject: Poythress / Poytress Y-DNA Study update All - the Poythress / Poytress Y-DNA Study, for which I am the Group Administrator, has a number of participants (both living and now deceased) who are related to Poythress-List Subscribers. Since most of our Study's participants are related to subscribers to the Poythress Subscription List, I want to compile and send some info about the known-ancestors (as far as that info has been shared with me) each of our Study's participants descend from -- WITHOUT specifically divulging sensitive/private info. Y-DNA tracks bits of the DNA that each male inherits from his birth-father, and that birth-father's father, and his father, reaching back thru numerous generations. I anticipate doing separate emails to the Poythress Subscription List about each participant (not necessarily by "name"), and hopefully doing some comparisons in other email(s). To recap that information on the known-ancstors in separate emails about each participant, will require me wading through a bunch of material I've collected thru the decades, and trying to very-briefly condense it to the point of being easily viewed and compared. Realistically, those planned-emails must wait until after the holidays. Hopefully the archiving-problem will be resolved by then. Until I can see that the emails to the List are indeed being archived, I'm just not willing to tackle all the effort of compiling and condensing all the material necessary to do the planned emails. In the meantime, I hope all of you have a good December! Barbara Poythress Neal | 01/13/17 3:51:52 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Re-send 12.9.16: Poythress / Poytress Y-DNA Study update | Crystal Marvin | I don't know if the donor for the Northampton Co NC Poythress is accessible. If you would like the lineage for the Northampton group, I will be more than happy to provide that. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 13, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Barbara Neal > > Date: Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:56 PM > Subject: Poythress / Poytress Y-DNA Study update > > All - the Poythress / Poytress Y-DNA Study, for which I am the Group > Administrator, has a number of participants (both living and now deceased) > who are related to Poythress-List Subscribers. > > Since most of our Study's participants are related to subscribers to the > Poythress Subscription List, I want to compile and send some info about the > known-ancestors (as far as that info has been shared with me) each of our > Study's participants descend from -- WITHOUT specifically divulging > sensitive/private info. > > Y-DNA tracks bits of the DNA that each male inherits from his birth-father, > and that birth-father's father, and his father, reaching back thru numerous > generations. > > I anticipate doing separate emails to the Poythress Subscription List about > each participant (not necessarily by "name"), and hopefully doing some > comparisons in other email(s). > > To recap that information on the known-ancstors in separate emails about > each participant, will require me wading through a bunch of material I've > collected thru the decades, and trying to very-briefly condense it to the > point of being easily viewed and compared. > > Realistically, those planned-emails must wait until after the holidays. > Hopefully the archiving-problem will be resolved by then. > > Until I can see that the emails to the List are indeed being archived, I'm > just not willing to tackle all the effort of compiling and condensing all > the material necessary to do the planned emails. > > In the meantime, I hope all of you have a good December! > Barbara Poythress Neal | 01/13/17 10:50:50 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Re-send 12.9.16: Poythress / Poytress Y-DNA Study update | Crystal Marvin | Actually the donor was the nephew of the deceased member. The deceased was Horace "Lucky" Poythress. I can't pull up the donor's name to save my life but his grandfather was Charles Frederick Poythress, brother of Horace "Lucky". They were the sons of Frederick Elmo Poythress, son of Horace and Laura Bell Turner Poythress. My great grandmother Mamie Poythress was also a child of Horace and Laura Bell Turner Poythress. Horace was the son of Lovell and Amanda Turner Poythress. He was the son of James and Sarah "Sallie" Crowder Poythress. That's our brick wall. I will compile the other lines and send them to you from James and Sarah down. On a side note, we may have another contributor to the Y study from Wilson Co NC that branched from the Northampton Co group. I will keep you posted. Thanks for all the work you do. Crystal | 01/16/17 4:07:21 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Re-send 12.9.16: Poythress / Poytress Y-DNA Study update | Barbara Neal | Hi Crystal - I think the man you're referring to is one of the deceased Y-DNA Study participants, who has (as far as I know) no direct family member currently on our Poythress Subscription List, to confirm that. Thanks for your offer. Sure, feel welcome to send any lineage for the "Northampton Co, NC Poythress group." I will compare it to what I earlier had listed in case you may have come across any updates or corrections to what I had years ago. Perhaps others who descend from that same part of the Poythress family may speak up for any updates or corrections they have, too. All - Please know I am somewhat delayed (again) in being able to work on all this at the present. This delay is due to a recently-broken bone of a family member here requiring more help from me in a variety of ways. I will get back to my intended Y-DNA Study recap as soon as I can. Barbara | 01/16/17 5:07:48 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP David B Poythress - of Atlanta, GA on 15 January 2017 at 73 | Barbara Neal | All - this is the youngest sibling in the family of our deceased List member, Maynard aka John Maynard Poythress. The below version of his obituary tells more of genealogical interest about David than the version I saw published; this one was furnished by a family member: Lt. Gen. (Ret.) David Bryan Poythress, of Atlanta, passed away on Sunday, January 15, 2017. Poythress served our nation and state with distinction in many capacities including serving as Georgia Secretary of State, Labor Commissioner and Adjutant General – the commander of the Georgia Army and Air National Guard. Born in Macon on October 24, 1943, Poythress attended Bibb County public schools and played football at Lanier High for Boys. His father, John Maynor Poythress, worked for the city water department, his mother, Dorothy Bayne Poythress, was a school teacher, and they were founding members of Riverside Methodist Church in Macon. Poythress attended Emory at Oxford, and earned his degree and his commission as an US Air Force officer at Emory University in Atlanta, where he also earned his law degree in 1967. A life-long servant leader, his career has included public service, military service, and private law practice. Poythress served four years (1967-1971) on active duty in the U.S. Air Force as a judge advocate officer. He volunteered for duty in Viet Nam and served one year as defense counsel and Chief of Military Justice at DaNang Air Base, in the Republic of Viet Nam. Following his active duty, Poythress continued his military service in the Air Force Reserve, attaining the rank of Brigadier General before retiring in 1998. As the senior Reserve legal officer attached to 9th Air Force, he was called to active duty to help oversee the use of Reserve legal resources in the continental United States during operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm. In his civilian life, Poythress practiced law in Atlanta, with concentrations in taxation and public finance. Prior to seeking elective office, he held several positions in Georgia state government, including Assistant Attorney General, Deputy State Revenue Commissioner and Secretary of State. In 1992 he was elected statewide to the office of State Labor Commissioner and was re-elected in 1994. Poythress unsuccessfully ran for Governor of Georgia in 1998 and 2010. In 1999, Governor Roy Barnes appointed Poythress Adjutant General – the commander of the Georgia Army and Air National Guard - in the rank of Major General. He was reappointed in 2002 by Governor Sonny Perdue, who also promoted him to the rank of Lieutenant General - the first Adjutant General in Georgia history to wear three stars. As leader of this 13,000 member organization he led the organization to win the Georgia Oglethorpe Award for organization excellence (Malcolm Baldridge criteria and examiners). Poythress had overall responsibility for two brigade level deployments to Bosnia (2000) and Iraq (2005). In addition to leading Guard members in first response to Hurricane Katrina, he also served on the command cell of the Georgia Homeland Security Task Force from September 12, 2001 until his retirement in 2007. Poythress has held several local and national leadership positions. He served as Vice Chairman of the Board of the National Guard Association of the United States and was a member of the Board of Directors of Jobs for America's Graduates. He served two terms as Chairman of the Board of the State YMCA of Georgia and served on the boards of Common Cause Georgia, Wesley Homes and the Atlanta Day Shelter for Women. He was a Rotarian, a Mason and member of the American Legion, the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the USO, the Sigma Chi Fraternity and Peachtree Road United Methodist Church. Recently, Poythress has worked as a consultant and advisor to a number of international companies in the defense industry. He passed away at Duke University Hospital where he was seeking treatment for a lung condition. A memorial service is being planned. In lieu of flowers, the family asks you to consider a gift in his memory to the State YMCA of Georgia ( ymcaga.org/donate) or the Georgia National Guard Family Support Foundation ( georgiaguardfamily.org/donate). Poythress was predeceased by his parents and brother John Maynard Poythress, Jr. and is survived by wife Elizabeth, sister Eva Higgins, son Cullen Gray Poythress, stepdaughters Candace Pinnisi (John), Kristin Placito (Frank), eight grandchildren, one great grandchild, niece Leigh Poythress Wilson and nephews Randel Whitfield Higgins and Mirabeau Lamar Higgins. | 01/19/17 8:29:20 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA jpg court records online thanks to Brantley Assoc, | nancy netter | I can not tell you what a delight it has been! I have been able to dump Hardiman Poythress for Gideon Poythress of Southampton Co., VA as the father of Benjamin Poythress (1805-1865) of Petersburg, Campbell Co., VA. All of it very interest and some colorful information, such as cohabitation and a murder. With many thanks, NJ Netter | 01/24/17 4:12:18 |
| [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA records; Benjamin Poythress (1805-1865) | Barbara Neal | Hi Nancy - Great to see the email (below) that you sent yesterday afternoon to our Poythress subscription List. I look forward to hearing how the Southampton Co, VA records helped you determine that the more appropriate father of Benjamin Poythress (1805-1865) is Gideon Poythress of Southampton Co, VA rather than Hardiman Poythress as you had earlier figured. Barbara | 01/25/17 4:46:42 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA records; Benjamin Poythress (1805-1865) | Tom & Vivian Zaruba | Hi, Nancy Netter and Barbara Neal, Benjamin Poythress (1805-1865) is named as the son of Gideon Poythress in a deposition given by William Oney on 16 September 1839. [Southampton Co. Order Book, 1839-1843, p. 54] Also, Petersburg, VA is an independent city in Virginia. NOT located in Campbell County! Sometimes listed as Petersburg, Dinwiddie Co., VA, but that is also incorrect. Petersburg, VA is an independent city surrounded by Dinwiddie, Prince George, and Chesterfield Counties. Happy hunting, Vivian W. Zaruba -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Neal Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 1:46 PM To: nancy netter ; Poythress Surname Mailing List Subject: [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA records; Benjamin Poythress (1805-1865) Hi Nancy - Great to see the email (below) that you sent yesterday afternoon to our Poythress subscription List. I look forward to hearing how the Southampton Co, VA records helped you determine that the more appropriate father of Benjamin Poythress (1805-1865) is Gideon Poythress of Southampton Co, VA rather than Hardiman Poythress as you had earlier figured. Barbara | 01/26/17 4:13:39 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA records; Benjamin Poythress (1805-1865) | nancy netter | Thanks for the correction, it was George Alexander Poythress, Benjamin's son who lived in Campbell Co., VA. Nancy J Netter From: Tom & Vivian Zaruba To: Poythress Surname Mailing List Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA records; Benjamin Poythress (1805-1865) Hi, Nancy Netter and Barbara Neal, Benjamin Poythress (1805-1865) is named as the son of Gideon Poythress in a deposition given by William Oney on 16 September 1839. [Southampton Co. Order Book, 1839-1843, p. 54] Also, Petersburg, VA is an independent city in Virginia. NOT located in Campbell County! Sometimes listed as Petersburg, Dinwiddie Co., VA, but that is also incorrect. Petersburg, VA is an independent city surrounded by Dinwiddie, Prince George, and Chesterfield Counties. Happy hunting, Vivian W. Zaruba | 01/26/17 11:03:27 |
| [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA: John & 3 generations of his descendants | Barbara Neal | >From combining the Southampton Co, VA record we've seen mentioned here this week, plus other Southampton Co, VA items that I note in this email, we can put together a partial line extending for 4 generations: John Portis /Poythress /Porteus [NOTE: I have not yet looked for any specific citations that may be available to identify which John he would logically be; if any of you have done so, I'd appreciate seeing the citation(s); thanks] - his son Kirby Poythress, who spent 5 yrs in the Revolutionary War [and John's younger children Judith and William]. - Kirby married in Southampton Co, VA on 18 Sept 1783 Mary Windham. - Kirby's children included only one son, Gideon Poythress, who died in Oct 1738. - as of Sept 1739, Gideon's children included only one son, Benjamin. These men are mentioned in these records: >From a 1765 Southampton Co, VA Chancery Court record, we learn that one JOHN Portis /Poythress /Porteus was the father of [all under age 21:] eldest son Kirby & younger children Judith & William. Back in early April 2003, I posted my transcription of that case from Library of VA's Chancery Court records; in my initial efforts I had some strange computer-characters show up. The clearest posting version appears to be my 5 April 2003 posting [from a then-email address of bp_neal@earthlink.net]. The Subject line of that posting was: "Chancery Ct Southampton Co, VA 1765-001, John Portis /Poythress /Porteus" That transcription is long enough that I recommend pulling up the whole email, at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/poythress/2003-04/1049554329 I also see here in my notes at home, that some years ago I located several Poythress marriages, including the following Southampton Co, VA one for Kirby, at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, as listed in Vol.24 of Cecil D. McDonald Jr's "Some Virginia Marriages 1700-1799" (McDonald, Seattle, WA; his various volumes that I saw for various counties were published 1973-1977): - Kirby Porteus & Mary Windham on 18 Sep 1783 in Southampton Co, VA Then thanks to the citation discussed here this week, p.54 of the Southampton Co, VA Order Book, 1839-1843, the line from John to Kirby is continued further thru Gideon, to Benjamin (still living in Southampton Co, VA as of 16 Sept 1839). I've transcribed that entry below from looking at the scans of The Brantley Association of America, to which Vivian alerted us in August 2016, at brantleyassociation.com). It helps to know that p.54 is in the midst of various actions recorded on the 3rd Monday, 16 Sept 1839, on Order Book pages 48 thru 56. The next consecutive Court date, the 3rd Monday in October, or the 21st of Oct 1839, begins on p.57 of the Order Book. Southampton Co, VA Order Book, 1839-1843, p.54, 16 Sept 1839, beginning about mid-way down p.54: "In open Court came William Oney who made oath that he was well acquainted with Kirby Poythress, dec'd formerly of Southampton County who died somewhere from 25 to 30 years ago in the said County of Southampton. The deponent further states that the said Kirby Poythress enlisted in the army of the Revolutionary War and served in the said army about five years, and did not leave the service until the end of the War. The said Kirby Poythress was at Yorktown in battle at the capture of Cornwallis- he left the County of Southampton under the command of Captain James Gray and went first to the North– This deponent was never with the said Poythress in any engagement other than that at Yorktown. The deponent further states that the said Poythress had the following children, his sole heirs at his death, to wit. Caty, Avy, Sally and Peggy and one son called Gideon Poythress– that the females aforesaid died some years ago without issue and the said Gideon died in October last leaving Benjamin Poythress, Patsy or Martha Poythress and Ann Poythress his children. Martha is the wife of Benjamin Andrews, Ann is dead without issue and Benjamin is still living in Southampton County, State of Virginia and that there is no widow of the said Kirby Poythress now living." Barbara | 01/27/17 2:48:20 |
| [POYTHRESS] Correction Re: Southampton Co, VA: John & 3 generations of descendants | Barbara Neal | Sorry, due to a typo, I dropped 100 years mid-posting re when Gideon died and Benjamin was living in Southampton per the citation! Corrected, it should read: >From combining the Southampton Co, VA record we've seen mentioned here this week, plus other Southampton Co, VA items that I note in this email, we can put together a partial line extending for 4 generations: John Portis /Poythress /Porteus [NOTE: I have not yet looked for any specific citations that may be available to identify which John he would logically be; if any of you have done so, I'd appreciate seeing the citation(s); thanks] - his son Kirby Poythress, who spent 5 yrs in the Revolutionary War [and John's younger children Judith and William]. - Kirby married in Southampton Co, VA on 18 Sept 1783 Mary Windham. - Kirby's children included only one son, Gideon Poythress, who died in Oct 1838. - as of Sept 1839, Gideon's children included only one son, Benjamin. These men are mentioned in these records: >From a 1765 Southampton Co, VA Chancery Court record, we learn that one JOHN Portis /Poythress /Porteus was the father of [all under age 21:] eldest son Kirby & younger children Judith & William. Back in early April 2003, I posted my transcription of that case from Library of VA's Chancery Court records; in my initial efforts I had some strange computer-characters show up. The clearest posting version appears to be my 5 April 2003 posting [from a then-email address of bp_neal@earthlink.net]. The Subject line of that posting was: "Chancery Ct Southampton Co, VA 1765-001, John Portis /Poythress /Porteus" That transcription is long enough that I recommend pulling up the whole email, at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/poythress/2003-04/1049554329 I also see here in my notes at home, that some years ago I located several Poythress marriages, including the following Southampton Co, VA one for Kirby, at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, as listed in Vol.24 of Cecil D. McDonald Jr's "Some Virginia Marriages 1700-1799" (McDonald, Seattle, WA; his various volumes that I saw for various counties were published 1973-1977): - Kirby Porteus & Mary Windham on 18 Sep 1783 in Southampton Co, VA Then thanks to the citation discussed here this week, p.54 of the Southampton Co, VA Order Book, 1839-1843, the line from John to Kirby is continued further thru Gideon, to Benjamin (still living in Southampton Co, VA as of 16 Sept 1839). I've transcribed that entry below from looking at the scans of The Brantley Association of America, to which Vivian alerted us in August 2016, at brantleyassociation.com). It helps to know that p.54 is in the midst of various actions recorded on the 3rd Monday, 16 Sept 1839, on Order Book pages 48 thru 56. The next consecutive Court date, the 3rd Monday in October, or the 21st of Oct 1839, begins on p.57 of the Order Book. Southampton Co, VA Order Book, 1839-1843, p.54, 16 Sept 1839, beginning about mid-way down p.54: "In open Court came William Oney who made oath that he was well acquainted with Kirby Poythress, dec'd formerly of Southampton County who died somewhere from 25 to 30 years ago in the said County of Southampton. The deponent further states that the said Kirby Poythress enlisted in the army of the Revolutionary War and served in the said army about five years, and did not leave the service until the end of the War. The said Kirby Poythress was at Yorktown in battle at the capture of Cornwallis- he left the County of Southampton under the command of Captain James Gray and went first to the North– This deponent was never with the said Poythress in any engagement other than that at Yorktown. The deponent further states that the said Poythress had the following children, his sole heirs at his death, to wit. Caty, Avy, Sally and Peggy and one son called Gideon Poythress– that the females aforesaid died some years ago without issue and the said Gideon died in October last leaving Benjamin Poythress, Patsy or Martha Poythress and Ann Poythress his children. Martha is the wife of Benjamin Andrews, Ann is dead without issue and Benjamin is still living in Southampton County, State of Virginia and that there is no widow of the said Kirby Poythress now living." Barbara | 01/27/17 2:54:24 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA records; Benjamin Poythress (1805-1865) | Tom & Vivian Zaruba | You're welcome, Barbara. Still trying to connect this Poythress line. Vivian -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Neal Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 8:33 PM To: Poythress Surname Mailing List Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA records; Benjamin Poythress (1805-1865) Thanks, Vivian, for the specific Southampton Co, VA citation, and for the reminder to all of us readers that Petersburg City was (& is) a separate entity, not part of a county. Nancy, thanks for correcting that it was Benjamin's son, George Alexander Poythress, who you mention lived in Campbell Co. BarbaraPoythress | 01/27/17 3:22:13 |
| [POYTHRESS] Confusing info in 2 Southampton Co, VA items | Barbara Neal | Info in the below-transcribed Southampton Co, VA marriage record of March 1869 does not seem to fit with the 16 Sept 1839 Southampton Co, VA Order Book p.54 Oath of William Oney: perhaps we are to "assume" that William Oney did not know of, or forgot about Gideon's son John D when he said that Benjamin was the only son of Gideon? Confusing! The marriage record, I now notice, I posted as a transcription to this List exactly 7 years ago (on Wed, Jan 27, 2010), captioned "Transcription Gideon's son John D Portress, Southampton Co, VA Marriage." That posting read, in part: Below is my transcription of a marriage record sent by a friend, copied from Southampton Co, VA records. The groom, John D Portress [Poythress], was age 53 & widowed on the below 15 March 1869 marriage certificate; thus John D was likely born about 1815-1816. I suspect the father of the groom listed in the marriage certificate portion as Gidian is the man we have seen in the 1830 Southampton Co, VA Census [taken as of 1 June 1830], Gideon Potess...age 40-49... = Southampton Co, VA Marriage Book 1a, p.314, bottom entry: = Marriage License Virginia, Southampton County to wit: To any Person Licensed to Celebrate Marriages You are hereby authorized to join together in the Holy State of Matrimony, according to the rites and ceremonies of your Church, or religious denomination, and the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia, John D Portress Mary A Blythe Given under my hand, as Clerk of the County Court of Southampton County this 15th day of March 1869 [signed] James R. Gydes [or Gyles?], Deputy Clerk [affixed Internal Revenue Certificate stamp on which was hand-written 3 initials and the date "Mch 15 1869"] = Certificate To Obtain a Marriage License To be annexed to the License, required by Act passed 15th March, 1861 - Time of Marriage: 20th day of March 1869 - Place of Marriage: Southampton Co. - Full names of Parties Married: John D. Portress & Mary A. Blythe - Age of Husband: 53 years - Age of Wife: 40 years - Condition of Husband (widowed or single): Widowed - Condition of Wife (widowed or single): Widowed - Place of Husband's Birth: Southampton Co. - Place of Wife's Birth: Do [ditto] - Place of Husband's Residence: Do [ditto] - Place of Wife's Residence: Do [ditto] - Name of Husband's Parents: Gidian & Peggy Portress - Name of Wife's Parents: Ellis Brock (Father) - Occupation of Husband: Farmer Given under my hand this 15th day of March 1869 John D - his X mark - Portress Barbara | 01/27/17 4:04:00 |
| [POYTHRESS] John D "Jack" Portress/Poythress (1814-1881) of Southampton Co, VA | nancy netter | I am regenerating a thread on John D Portress/Poythress of Southampton Co. VA. the following was from a posting in 2000. Following the 2000 posting is a transcription of the murder charges him and his daughter Docia. There are court records for the charges in the Southampton Co. VA Project. I will add those to this posting as I get them in order along with the census records. From: VKRatliff@aol.com Subject: Submarine Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 01:33:28 EDT I had heard this story in bits and pieces and never known its source until today. Best, Maynard The following information is from the book "Southampton County, Virginia" by Thomas C. Parramore, pages 169 and 170: "Somehow, even in the depths of war, there were moments of relief. An episode that brought smiles for a long time afterward was the launching of Jack Poythress's submarine in the Blackwater in April 1863. The inventor was a three-and-a-half-foot midget who could drink a glass of whiskey without the use of his hands - while standing on his head. Jack's seventy pounds were all but camouflaged behind a ten-inch growth of black whiskers, and nobody took his submarine project seriously until he actually brought the thing down to the river a little below the railroad bridge and announced that it was about to make its first cruise. Onlookers found that Jack had fashioned for the defeat of the Union navy an 'infernal machine' from a smokestack stoppered at both ends with pine blocks and outfitted with a canvas hose for underwater breathing. The Mushrat, as Poythress christened his vessel, was to be driven by means of a hand crank that turned a stern propeller. Unhappily for naval science, the Mushrat capsided upon launching and almost drowned its inventor. The craft lay for some time thereafter half submerged and was finally carried off by a freshet to its final resting place at George's Bend, five miles downstream. Jack's own end was sadder still: he was convicted for second-degree murder in 1875 and spent his final years in prison." BY TELEGRAPH Homicide in Southampton County An Angry Woman Takes The Law Into Her Owe Hands And Kill A Companion-The Causeof the Difficulty-Death From An Overdose Of Camphor (First Dispatch) Franklin, Va., November 18.-Polly Joyner was shot and Killed by Docia Portressto-day. Both are white. Docia Portress and Jack Portress (her father) are bothin jail. (Second Dispatch) Franklin, Va., November 18,-Magistrate Holland held aninquest over the remains of the woman Joyner this morning. The following issubstantially Jack Portress’s testimony: “I was in bed this morning, and PollyJoyner came to the door, knocked, and said: “I have come to see about my hogyou stole. I am going to take the law into my own hands. I have plenty to backme with guns and pistols.” She then came in and struck my daughter Dociaseveral times with a stick, and finally picked up my gun from the corner of theroom. Docia got hold of the breech and Polly told of the muzzle. I jumped upand tried to take the stick which she had away from Polly and while doing sothe gun went off, and Polly fell, saying to Docia, “You have killed me.” Dociareplied, “No, you did it yourself.” The entire load of buckshot entered just tothe left of the navel, lodging in the back just under the skin, producing deathalmost instantly. The body lay in the door with the feet on the ground, andbadly bruised. Portress and daughter are low, disreputable people, and havebeen in several scrapes before. The woman Joyner has always been consideredinoffensive. The verdict of the coroner’s jury is that Polly Joyner was killedby a gun in the hands of Docia Portress. Jack Portress and his daughter made noattempt to escape. Mrs. Albert Blythe, who lived near this place, took anoverdose of camphor this morning, and died in a few hours. The daily dispatch Richmond Va 19 Nov 1875 Chronicling America Historic American Newspapers Lib of Congress, transcribed by NJNetter 01 Jan 2017 | 01/27/17 10:36:38 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Southampton Co, VA records; Benjamin Poythress (1805-1865) | Barbara Neal | Thanks, Vivian, for the specific Southampton Co, VA citation, and for the reminder to all of us readers that Petersburg City was (& is) a separate entity, not part of a county. Nancy, thanks for correcting that it was Benjamin's son, George Alexander Poythress, who you mention lived in Campbell Co. Barbara | 01/27/17 11:33:01 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Confusing info in 2 Southampton Co, VA items | Tom & Vivian Zaruba | Very confusing!! The Account of the Estate of Gideon Portis [Southampton Will Book 12, p. 425 only names son, Benjamin Portress and Benjamin Andrews, husband of daughter, Martha. No other divisees are named! My records show John D. married twice. 1st - Amelia Munford (Mountfort) 11 May 1848 [Marriage Registry 1750-1853 p. 570 & 725] and 2nd - Mary Blythe shown below. I have 3 marriages for Gideon - Jane Harrison, Hannah Johnson & Mary Johnson. Martha and Benjamin are children of Jane Harrison and John D., because of his age, a son of either Hannah or Mary Johnson Vivian -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Neal Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 1:04 AM To: Poythress-List address for postings Subject: [POYTHRESS] Confusing info in 2 Southampton Co, VA items Info in the below-transcribed Southampton Co, VA marriage record of March 1869 does not seem to fit with the 16 Sept 1839 Southampton Co, VA Order Book p.54 Oath of William Oney: perhaps we are to "assume" that William Oney did not know of, or forgot about Gideon's son John D when he said that Benjamin was the only son of Gideon? Confusing! The marriage record, I now notice, I posted as a transcription to this List exactly 7 years ago (on Wed, Jan 27, 2010), captioned "Transcription Gideon's son John D Portress, Southampton Co, VA Marriage." That posting read, in part: Below is my transcription of a marriage record sent by a friend, copied from Southampton Co, VA records. The groom, John D Portress [Poythress], was age 53 & widowed on the below 15 March 1869 marriage certificate; thus John D was likely born about 1815-1816. I suspect the father of the groom listed in the marriage certificate portion as Gidian is the man we have seen in the 1830 Southampton Co, VA Census [taken as of 1 June 1830], Gideon Potess...age 40-49... = Southampton Co, VA Marriage Book 1a, p.314, bottom entry: = Marriage License Virginia, Southampton County to wit: To any Person Licensed to Celebrate Marriages You are hereby authorized to join together in the Holy State of Matrimony, according to the rites and ceremonies of your Church, or religious denomination, and the laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia, John D Portress Mary A Blythe Given under my hand, as Clerk of the County Court of Southampton County this 15th day of March 1869 [signed] James R. Gydes [or Gyles?], Deputy Clerk [affixed Internal Revenue Certificate stamp on which was hand-written 3 initials and the date "Mch 15 1869"] = Certificate To Obtain a Marriage License To be annexed to the License, required by Act passed 15th March, 1861 - Time of Marriage: 20th day of March 1869 - Place of Marriage: Southampton Co. - Full names of Parties Married: John D. Portress & Mary A. Blythe - Age of Husband: 53 years - Age of Wife: 40 years - Condition of Husband (widowed or single): Widowed - Condition of Wife (widowed or single): Widowed - Place of Husband's Birth: Southampton Co. - Place of Wife's Birth: Do [ditto] - Place of Husband's Residence: Do [ditto] - Place of Wife's Residence: Do [ditto] - Name of Husband's Parents: Gidian & Peggy Portress - Name of Wife's Parents: Ellis Brock (Father) - Occupation of Husband: Farmer Given under my hand this 15th day of March 1869 John D - his X mark - Portress Barbara | 01/28/17 7:08:24 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Confusing info in 2 Southampton Co, VA items | Barbara Neal | Thank you so much, Vivian, for Gideon's Will citation, and for the first Marriage citation for John D to Amelia Munford (Mountford) 11 May 1848. Also, please see info I'm posting to add more info on John D 'Jack' Portress / Poythress thanks to now knowing that Docia was his daughter, from Nancy's email yesterday. Barbara | 01/28/17 10:28:28 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] John D "Jack" Portress/Poythress (1814-1881) of Southampton Co, VA | Barbara Neal | Thanks to Nancy regenerating a thread on John D 'Jack' Portress / Poythress, I've transcribed 2 Southampton Co, VA Census records (1870 & 1880) that I've had for a while, but had never previously realized they pertained to 'Jack' of the submarine story that Maynard posted in 2000. Thanks to the Nov 1875 homicide story Nancy located, now knowing that Docia daughter of John 'Jack' Portress / Poythress, these 2 Census records are pertinent. If anyone has located any 1840 Census records for John D 'Jack, I would appreciate learning of it. And especially if anyone has located his 1850 Census record, which should include his first wife Amelia (Thanks, Vivian for alerting us to their marriage in 1848), and might also include Docia, I'd appreciate help finding that. I would appreciate any correction of the middle initial of 1-year old Lewis in the 1870 Census (who I figure is likely son of John 'Jack' & the above-mentioned Mary, soon after their March 1869 marriage). The 1870 head of household, below, is listed by the Census taker as Jno E. Despite the "E" middle initial, this is logically the man we're calling John D 'Jack' since the household also includes his 1869 wife, Mary A (maiden name Brock; widowed from a Mr. Blythe) and includes his daughter Docia (thanks to the 19 Nov 1875 Richmond Dispatch newspaper homicide story in Netter's posting yesterday). By the 1880 Census, we presume 'Jack' is in prison, since he was convicted of second-degree murder for the above-mentioned Nov 1875 homicide (we learned of his conviction in the "submarine" story that Maynard initially posted in 2000, which was also included in Netter's posting yesterday). We find his daughter Docia (spelled Dosia Portrice by this Census taker) at 30, shown as single, in the County Poorhouse. With her there, is 4-year old Robt Portrice. For Robert to be age 4 by the Census effective date of 1 June of 1880, he would have been born between 2 June 1875 and May 31 of 1876. Thus Robert could well have been fathered by 'Jack' before he was imprisoned, and perhaps even before the Nov 1875 homicide. Jack's 1869 wife, Mary A, is not in the County Poorhouse in 1880 with Dorcia and Robert, so perhaps Mary died, or is elsewhere, perhaps with young Lewis. My search today of 1880 Census records failed to locate Mary or Lewis in Southampton Co, VA. TRANSCRIPTIONS FROM IMAGES: 1870 Census of Franklin Depot Township, Southampton Co, VA, at Post Office Jerusalem, VA, p.28, Dwelling 238, Family 238, enumerated as of 1 June on 11 Sept 1870: - Portress, Jno E 55, M, W, Farm Laborer, b.VA, Cannot read or write - [Portress], Mary A, 50, F, W, Keep House, b.VA, Cannot read or write - [Portress], Docia, 20, F, W, No occupation, b.VA, Cannot read or write - [Portress], Lewis L, 1, M, W, At Home, b.VA, Cannot read or write 1880 Census of Jerusalem District, Southampton Co, VA, page 48, Enumeration District 104, Dwelling 462, "Family" 462, listed as being the County Poorhouse on lines 42-50 (with each name listed as "Pauper" in the column for occupation) enumerated as of 1 June on 24 June 1880. Lines 49 and 50 list: - Portrice, Dosia - W, F, 30, single, Pauper, born Virginia, both parents born Virginia. - Portrice, Robt - W, M, 4, Pauper, born Virginia, both parents born Virginia. Barbara | 01/28/17 10:38:55 |
| [POYTHRESS] Request re 3 marriages of Gideon Portis / Poythress / Portress | Barbara Neal | Vivian, would you please list what you know of the dates and locations for the 3 marriages you mention (below) of Gideon Portis? (I'm curious not only re when they were, but also to learn if they were in Southampton Co, VA, or if not, where.) By the way, a possibility occurs to me now, in looking back thru the below info from you, and the marriage record further below that I transcribed where John D listed his parents as "Gidian and Peggy Portress" -- It seems possible that 'Peggy' may be what Gideon's wife Mary was known by, IF she were perhaps a 'Mary Margaret (a not-unusual name for women, especially if from an Irish-descent family, or a Catholic family). Thanks so much for more info on Gideon's marriages. Barbara | 01/28/17 11:59:13 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Request re 3 marriages of Gideon Portis / Poythress / Portress | Tom & Vivian Zaruba | Gideon Portis m. Jane Harrison - 2 Dec. 1803 Southampton Co., VA [Southampton County Marriage Registry, 1750-1853 p. 156] Gideon Portess m. Hannah Johnson - 3 Feb 1812 Southampton Co., VA [ibid, p. 214] Gideon Portis m. Mary Johnson - 22 Jan 1818 Southampton Co., VA [ibid, p. 672] Vivian | 01/29/17 5:30:45 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] John D "Jack" Portress/Poythress (1814-1881) of Southampton Co, VA | Tom & Vivian Zaruba | 18 April 1876 - Dosia Portress sold to William B. Shands 9 acres of land bounded by Uriah Bracey and others. [Southampton Co. Deed Book 32, p. 480] 11 June 1891 - Adosia A. Portress b. 1850 (parents J. D. and P. Portress) married William F. Davis born b. 1850 MA [Virginia Select Marriages, 1785-1940 (ancestry.com)] Vivian -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Neal Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 7:38 PM To: nancy netter ; Poythress Surname Mailing List Subject: Re: [POYTHRESS] John D "Jack" Portress/Poythress (1814-1881) of Southampton Co, VA Thanks to Nancy regenerating a thread on John D 'Jack' Portress / Poythress, I've transcribed 2 Southampton Co, VA Census records (1870 & 1880) that I've had for a while, but had never previously realized they pertained to 'Jack' of the submarine story that Maynard posted in 2000. Thanks to the Nov 1875 homicide story Nancy located, now knowing that Docia daughter of John 'Jack' Portress / Poythress, these 2 Census records are pertinent. If anyone has located any 1840 Census records for John D 'Jack, I would appreciate learning of it. And especially if anyone has located his 1850 Census record, which should include his first wife Amelia (Thanks, Vivian for alerting us to their marriage in 1848), and might also include Docia, I'd appreciate help finding that. I would appreciate any correction of the middle initial of 1-year old Lewis in the 1870 Census (who I figure is likely son of John 'Jack' & the above-mentioned Mary, soon after their March 1869 marriage). The 1870 head of household, below, is listed by the Census taker as Jno E. Despite the "E" middle initial, this is logically the man we're calling John D 'Jack' since the household also includes his 1869 wife, Mary A (maiden name Brock; widowed from a Mr. Blythe) and includes his daughter Docia (thanks to the 19 Nov 1875 Richmond Dispatch newspaper homicide story in Netter's posting yesterday). By the 1880 Census, we presume 'Jack' is in prison, since he was convicted of second-degree murder for the above-mentioned Nov 1875 homicide (we learned of his conviction in the "submarine" story that Maynard initially posted in 2000, which was also included in Netter's posting yesterday). We find his daughter Docia (spelled Dosia Portrice by this Census taker) at 30, shown as single, in the County Poorhouse. With her there, is 4-year old Robt Portrice. For Robert to be age 4 by the Census effective date of 1 June of 1880, he would have been born between 2 June 1875 and May 31 of 1876. Thus Robert could well have been fathered by 'Jack' before he was imprisoned, and perhaps even before the Nov 1875 homicide. Jack's 1869 wife, Mary A, is not in the County Poorhouse in 1880 with Dorcia and Robert, so perhaps Mary died, or is elsewhere, perhaps with young Lewis. My search today of 1880 Census records failed to locate Mary or Lewis in Southampton Co, VA. TRANSCRIPTIONS FROM IMAGES: 1870 Census of Franklin Depot Township, Southampton Co, VA, at Post Office Jerusalem, VA, p.28, Dwelling 238, Family 238, enumerated as of 1 June on 11 Sept 1870: - Portress, Jno E 55, M, W, Farm Laborer, b.VA, Cannot read or write - [Portress], Mary A, 50, F, W, Keep House, b.VA, Cannot read or write - [Portress], Docia, 20, F, W, No occupation, b.VA, Cannot read or write - [Portress], Lewis L, 1, M, W, At Home, b.VA, Cannot read or write 1880 Census of Jerusalem District, Southampton Co, VA, page 48, Enumeration District 104, Dwelling 462, "Family" 462, listed as being the County Poorhouse on lines 42-50 (with each name listed as "Pauper" in the column for occupation) enumerated as of 1 June on 24 June 1880. Lines 49 and 50 list: - Portrice, Dosia - W, F, 30, single, Pauper, born Virginia, both parents born Virginia. - Portrice, Robt - W, M, 4, Pauper, born Virginia, both parents born Virginia. BarbaraOn Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 10:36 AM, nancy netter | 01/29/17 6:42:22 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Request re 3 marriages of Gideon Portis / Poythress / Portress | Barbara Neal | Thanks, Vivian! Barbara On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Tom & Vivian Zaruba wrote: > Gideon Portis m. Jane Harrison - 2 Dec. 1803 Southampton Co., VA > [Southampton County Marriage Registry, 1750-1853 p. 156] > Gideon Portess m. Hannah Johnson - 3 Feb 1812 Southampton Co., VA [ibid, > p. 214] > Gideon Portis m. Mary Johnson - 22 Jan 1818 Southampton Co., VA [ibid, p. > 672] > > Vivian > | 01/29/17 8:20:09 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] John D "Jack" Portress/Poythress (1814-1881) of Southampton Co, VA | Barbara Neal | Thank you so much, for these 2 Southampton Co, VA records for Dosia / Adosia Portress, Vivian. Barbara | 01/29/17 8:35:54 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] John D "Jack" Portress/Poythress (1814-1881) of Southampton Co, VA | nancy netter | Court records regarding the murder charges against John D and Dosia Portress in Southampton Co. VA Southampton Court Order Book 1875 – 81 December 10, 1875 Portress Dosia A and Portress John P page 9 Indictment of murder December 21, 1875 Portress Dosia A and Portress John D page 16 Arraignment both pled not guilty, no agreement to be triedtogether, jury was paneled, John D Portress was found guilty of second degreemurder and sentenced to 18 years in prison. Dosia Portress remanded to jail. December 24, 1875 Portress Dosia page 18 and 19 Dosia Portress is tried for murder and is aquitted and released. | 02/02/17 11:07:17 |
| [POYTHRESS] John D & Dosia Portress Dec 1875 Criminal Ct Southampton Co, VA -thanks | Barbara Neal | Thanks Nancy, for posting these. I'm changing the caption, here in my thanks, because it REALLY helps me in later looking for something, when we highlight in the Subject line specifically what we're talking about. These 3 below entries that Nancy posted 2.2.17, all relate to the news article from 19 Nov 1875 "The Daily Dispatch" (Richmond, VA), "Homicide in Southampton County" which Nancy transcribed for us and posted 1.27.17 from the Library of Congress' (free) website section, "Chronicling America - Historic American Newspapers." | 02/03/17 3:13:17 |
| [POYTHRESS] David Poythress | Fred Upchurch | Thank you for posting your summation of David's accomplishments. I'm a very distant cousin who met and talked with him twice at Poythress reunions, instigated and led by Maynard Poythress of Louisville, KY. Of course, his wife Jean P was there also. We always ate dinner at Nets restaurant along with 20 or so other Poythress cousins. David was a Poythress sure enough. He and Elizabeth were a perfect pair. Fred Upchurch, son of Nita Bonsteel Poythress | 02/03/17 11:00:07 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] John D & Dosia Portress Dec 1875 Criminal Ct Southampton Co, VA -thanks | nancy netter | Here is the end of John D Portress life. State Penitentiary inRichmond, VA Year: 1880;Census Place: Richmond, Henrico, Virginia;Roll: 1371; Family History Film: 1255371;Page: 55A; Enumeration District: 079 | Name: | John D. Poythress | | Age: | 66 | | Birth Year: | abt 1814 | | Birthplace: | Virginia | | Home in 1880: | Richmond, Henrico, Virginia | | Race: | White | | Gender: | Male | | Neighbors: | View others on page | | Occupation: | Laborer | | | | | Household Members: | | Name | Age | | John D. Poythress | 66 | | Virginia Deaths and Burials,1853–1912." Index. FamilySearch, Salt Lake City, Utah, 2010. Index entriesderived from digital copies of original and compiled records. | Name: | Jno D Portress | | Birth Date: | abt 1815 | | Birth Place: | Southampton County | | Death Date: | 5 Feb 1881 | | Death Place: | Richmond City, Virginia | | Death Age: | 66 | | Race: | White | | Gender: | Male | | FHL Film Number: | 2048592 | | 02/07/17 10:00:30 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] David Poythress | Vernon Tanner | Hey Fred, This is from your not so very distant cousin, known as Margie in polite company-maybe called other names at times but we won't go there! In fact, David was your first cousin; he was Maynard's brother. Nita and John, Maynard's, Eva's and David's dad were siblings. Maybe I misinterpreted your message. Also, I want to thank both of you for the gracious contribution you made to the charity in Gastonia. I can't remember the name of it, but it sounded like a wonderful project. Hope you're both doing well. Love you, Margie Vernon Tanner margietanner@aol.com | 02/08/17 6:44:24 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] David Poythress | Barbara Neal | Fred - good to hear from you & glad you were able to meet David in person. I guess Ancestry takes their time letting your email "go" since I see you wrote it 5 days ago & it just arrived today;) I remember your name from a number of years ago, before this Poythress-email-subscription list, back in our letter-writing days with Maynard & Bud (both gone now). Hope all is well with you and yours, Barbara | 02/08/17 10:52:55 |
| [POYTHRESS] Good to see your email Margie | Barbara Neal | Margie, it was good to see your reply to Fred Upchurch; while I recognized both your name & Fred's, I had forgotten that both of you were first cousins of Maynard's & David's. Thanks for the refresher. Barbara *From:* Vernon Tanner *Subject:* Re: [POYTHRESS] David Poythress *Date:* Wed, 8 Feb 2017 13:44:24 -0500 Hey Fred, This is from your not so very distant cousin, known as Margie in polite company - maybe called other names at times but we won't go there! In fact, David was your first cousin; he was Maynard's brother. Nita and John, Maynard's, Eva's and David's dad were siblings. Maybe I misinterpreted your message. Also, I want to thank both of you for the gracious contribution you made to the charity in Gastonia. I can't remember the name of it, but it sounded like a wonderful project. Hope you're both doing well. Love you, Margie Vernon Tanner margietanner@aol.com | 02/11/17 10:34:03 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP Dale Poythress of NC, d.2.17.17 at 86 | Barbara Neal | With my condolences to the family of Dale and our dear List-member, Sarah, who has asked me to please post his beautifully-written obituary. May Dale rest in peace, Barbara - Dale Poythress Date of Service: Monday, February 20, 2017 Time of Service: 3:00 PM Elwood Dale Poythress, 86, a resident of 406 Parham Road, died Friday, February 17, 2017. Born on August 22, 1930 in Vance County, he was the son of the late Joseph Ashton Poythress and Verla Jacobs Poythress. He was the owner and operator of Dales Heating, Cooling and Refrigeration, Inc. until his retirement. Dale served in the North Carolina National Guard and was a member of West End Baptist Church and the Pulliam-Cothran Sunday School Class. Funeral services will be held Monday at 3 pm in the J. M. White Funeral Home Chapel by the Rev. Ralph McGowan, the Rev. Frank Sossamon; and the Rev. Ron Poythress. He will be buried at Sunset Gardens with no graveside service. He is survived by his wife of 65 years, Sarah Ann Royster Poythress of the home; one daughter, Teresa P. Floyd (Dean) of Henderson; two sons, Steve Poythress (Scott) of Henderson and Rick Poythress (Cindy) of Warrenton; one sister, Tiny P. Culler (Tom) of Henderson; one brother, Jerry Poythress (Rachel) of Henderson; 6 grandchildren, Jennifer Jones (Jason), Kendall Poythress (Kelly), Michelle Poythress (Phillip), Hillmon Poythress (Randi), Carey Lynn Parker (Daniel) and Colton Floyd; and seven great grandchildren. In addition to his parents, he was preceded in death by two sisters, Dixie P. Young and Edna P. Ellington; and one brother, Carlton Poythress. The family will receive friends prior to the service on Monday from 2 until 3 pm at J. M. White Funeral Home. At other times they will be at the home. In lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to Alzheimer’s NC, 3739 National Drive Suite 110, Raleigh, NC 27612 or to West End Baptist Church, 619 Dabney Drive, Henderson, NC 27536. | 02/26/17 5:09:42 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP Ransom Huron Poythress of Clovis, Fresno Co, CA, 7.9.17 at 100 | Barbara Neal | Our condolences to the entire family. Ransom is of the family line of one of our Poythress-Poytress Y-DNA Study participants. Seen at Legacy.com with thanks to DignityMemorial.com: Ransom Huron Poythress Clovis, California Jun 16, 1917 - Jul 9, 2017 Arrangements under the direction of Boice Funeral Home, Clovis, CA. May he rest in peace, Barbara | 07/18/17 2:38:28 |
| [POYTHRESS] Alerting Poythress List subscribers re a free webinar by NCGS | Barbara Neal | In case any of you receiving Poythress Subscription List emails have any interest (OR know anyone else who would have an interest) in seeing the below-described webinar about "Freenman's Bureau Records" by professional genealogist Diane L Richard: Please know it will be offered for free, for public viewing at the website of the North Carolina Genealogy Society (NCGenealogy [dot] org) on 3 days: Friday Aug 4th thru Sunday Aug 6th. See more details below. Barbara = “Freedman’s Bureau Records” An encore presentation! A free viewing period of the recorded webinar will be 4-6 August 2017. About the Webinar: Are you seeking records for your southern ancestors in the immediate post-Civil War time period (1865-1868)? Learn about this little known and used Federal record collection that is full of invaluable records for many ancestors, regardless of skin color or circumstances, who lived in North Carolina (or elsewhere from Delaware to Texas). After the war many people needed assistance, from maimed soldiers, to widows with children, to the aged and feeble, to ex-slaves and their former owners. Examples of records relating to rations, contracts and indentures, courts, abandoned land, schools, hospitals, and more are presented. Webinar Viewing Options - The free public three-day viewing of the recorded webinar will be 4–6 August 2017. - After the free replay weekend, the webinar and accompanying handout PDF will be accessible on the website to NCGS members, as a member benefit. - Full audio/video webinars on CD (playable on a computer) may be purchased by anyone from the NCGS Store. Webinar CDs also include the handout PDF. About the Speaker: Diane L Richard is a professional genealogist and owner of Mosaic Research and Project Management. She has been doing genealogy research since 1987 and since 2004 has focused more on the records of North Carolina, including African American (and slave) research and into those who migrated into, through, or out of North Carolina. Diane is a member of the national and local chapters of the Association of Professional Genealogists and the Genealogical Speakers Guild. She is the editor of Upfront with NGS, the blog of the National Genealogical Society, and Wake Treasures, the journal of the Wake County Genealogical Society. She is a regular author for Internet Genealogy and Family Chronicle. To register for the webinar, to the the NC Genealogy Society site NCGenealogy [dot] org | 07/26/17 7:58:14 |
| [POYTHRESS] webinar sign up | Bruce Porter | Bruce Porter bbmp1984@verizon.net | 07/27/17 3:02:35 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] webinar sign up | Barbara Neal | Hi Bruce - good to see an email again from you, lady, though I'm not sure why your email only has your name and email address in it. ALL: Just in case I left confusion in typo-laden email to the Poythress List, here is both a correct TITLE for the webinar, and clearer sign-up directions: Anyone wanting to sign up to view the free webinar about "Freedman's Bureau Records" by professional genealogist Diane L Richard on Friday Aug 4 thru Sunday Aug 6, must go herself or himself directly to the website of the NC Genealogy Society, and sign up there, not thru this email list. Their website, without me putting an actual link, is found at: ncgenealogy [followed by ".org" without the quote marks]. Barbara | 07/27/17 6:13:23 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress connection | SHARRON S WALKER | I have been working on my Ancestry for over a year and seem to be linked to the Poythress family through the Walls and Covingtons. Ran across this site because I had looked at a video this morning and noticed a comment made by a Lori Poythress-Gardner. Got me wondering if we could be related, not sure if the site lists descendants? My Poythress connection ends with Ann Poythress 1721 who presumably married John Wall Sr. I say presumably because there seemed to be a question about her lineage? Lots of questions from a new to genealogy researcher. Thank you for any help you can give me. Sharron Scales Walker | 07/28/17 5:52:22 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress Website Temporarily Down | Albert Tims | Poythress listers, I discovered that the Poythress.net There was/is no risk to the site’s visitors since it does not collect any identifying information from visitors. But the hack does direct to unknown websites elsewhere. I have acquired the Poythress.org I’ll likely roll out the new site in phases — I’ll keep this list posted. Best, Al Tims | 08/01/17 4:49:49 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Poythress Website Temporarily Down | Barbara Neal | Thank you so much, Al. Glad you found it (8.2.17) & that you got the additional site & stronger security. I feel for you, and greatly appreciate your conscientious work! Barbara | 08/01/17 8:07:18 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 12, Issue 28 | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | Thank you Barbara. I am interested & just signed up to view this webinar. Thanks, Julie Cabitto | 08/02/17 9:11:46 |
| [POYTHRESS] Webinar at NCGS Aug 4-6 Freedman's Bureau | Barbara Neal | Good to hear from you, Julie. Hope all is going well for you & yours. Barbara | 08/02/17 9:58:18 |
| [POYTHRESS] New Poythress Website Launch | Albert Tims | Poythress List, The Poythress website has been moved to a new hosting service and an entirely new (and more secure) platform. The new website url is www.poythress.org I am in in the process of re-registering the old poythress.net I would appreciate feedback on needed corrections, updates, navigation, etc. And, I think we’re in good shape for adding new resources. I’m still cleaning up the content and have a few more files still to migrate. Best, Al | 08/11/17 6:53:57 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] New Poythress Website Launch | Barbara Neal | Thank you so much, Al, for all your good work. Barbara | 08/11/17 8:07:35 |
| [POYTHRESS] Submitting research/documents to the Poythress website | Albert Tims | Poythress List, Our new website (www.poythress.org The site was established as a cooperative effort, so please don’t hesitate to consider submitting your work. I invite you to use the email address below for communications related to the submission of new items for the website. Documents can be text, MS Word, PDF or virtually any image file format. webmaster@poythress.org By the way, we now have the ability to post oral history (audio) files. Best, Al Tims | 08/13/17 7:15:11 |
| [POYTHRESS] New spreadsheet of Lauderdale County Poythress Marriage Index Entries | Albert Tims | Poythress List, This is the latest research tool addition to the Poythress website. http://poythress.org/2017/08/16/new-lauderdale-county-mississippi-poythress-marriages-index/ Best, ART | 08/16/17 10:43:33 |
| [POYTHRESS] Francis Poythress - Methodist Pioneer -- Detailed Account | Albert Tims | Poythress List, A search of our archives will reveal several threads making reference to Francis Poythress in Kentucky in the late 1700s. The full text of an important book about the history of the Methodist Church in Kentucky makes it possible to share a full accounting of all references to this Francis Poythress. I’ve excerpted 7 pages focused on his traits, achievements and health. I’ve also created a link to nearly three dozen mentions in A History of Methodism in Kentucky, by Rev. W.E. Arnold. The passage opens with: A Virginian by birth; of a wealthy family; the heir to a considerable estate; rather wild and reckless In youth ; brought under deep conviction by the reproof of an intelligent and pious lady of his community, he determined to mend his ways, and began earnestly to… I think you will find this to be a vivid and fascinating account. http://poythress.org/early-virginia-studies/archive-library-collection-compilations/francis-poythress-methodist-pioneer-in-kentucky-1788/ Best, Al Tims | 08/17/17 3:20:37 |
| [POYTHRESS] Lt William Poythress portrait source-info via Maynard 1992 (John M Poythress) | Barbara Neal | The portrait drawing of the profile-view of head and chest of Lieutenant William Poythress in American Revolution uniform is something that Maynard already had a photocopy of, before he and I first snail-mailed letters to one another in February 1992 -- introduced by a lady then-working for the, now-defunct, then-Flowerdew Hundred Foundation in Virginia. I've pored over a number of lengthy letters from Maynard [John M. Poythress, referred to below as "JMP"] to pull out any bits about the portrait, and to put them together here. It was MUCH later, quite some time after these mentions, when Maynard succeeded in getting the professionally-made Copy of the portrait, which we can see was done by a Louisville, KY photographer who signed it "Hess." Below, anything that I've added for clarity is in square brackets [like these]; anything in parentheses was typed that way by JMP. 21 Feb 1992 JMP's letter sent a poor-quality photocopy of a photocopy, etc, of the Lt. William Poythress portrait. Though his letter failed to mention the portrait, on the left edge of the portrait's photocopy, it is clear that he photocopied it from a page in a "comb-bound" book. He did not mention or identify the book. On a Post-it affixed to the portrait-photocopy's upper right corner, JMP handprinted: "I just found the guy in Louisville who owns the original. I'm trying to get it & have color copies made to frame just for fun. If successful, I'll send you a copy - MP" 4 Apr 1992 JMP's letter included a copy of a 1-page handwritten 11 Mar 1980 letter to JMP's brother David from Pastor Charles Atnip [a Wynn / Winn descendant; Atnip died in 2008 at age 82]. This is the pertinent paragraph from the Pastor's 11 Mar-80 letter: "Peter and Henry Wynne (grandsons of Mary Poythress Wynne) and their two Poythress cousins, George and William, migrated to old St. Georges Parish (now Burke County, GA) in 1756. George Poythress married into a wealthy family in GA. I have some military records on William." [Note re "some military records on William" from Bpn, when compiling this info in Aug 2017: we should retrieve the later Poythress-List archived emails in which we obtained info from Florida's State Archives about FL Territory Indian War participation by various Poythress-surnamed men; perhaps one of those was William and could account for this mention of "some military records on William."] 11 Apr 1992 JMP's letter enclosed an info-copy of a letter he wrote that day to Pastor Charles Atnip [Wynn / Winn descendant, who had written JMP's brother David in 1980; Atnip died in 2008 at age 82]. JMP's letter to Atnip noted that among enclosures he was sending him was "copy of a portrait of Lt. William Poythress is enclosed. The Few family here in Louisville has the original. If I can persuade Mrs. Few to accept my first born as surety, I plan to take the original to a commercial art operation and have color copies made that are suitable for framing for no reason other than I think it would be fun for all of my growing correspondent crowd to have a copy. I will certainly send you one if you are interested. I wonder if he is the 'William' mentioned in your 1980 letter to my brother." 10 May 1992 in JMP letter to Bpw with copy to Bpn & Earl: "Oh, I'll tell you and by copy tell Bpn and Earl because it completely slipped my feeble mind earlier. I went by earlier in the week and met Sarah Few who owns the portrait of Lt. William Poythress. [Bpn note: yesterday I found online that Sarah Few died in 2015 in Louisville, KY.] Sarah owns a 'by appointment only' antique shop and is also on the Board of Directors at the [Speed] art museum where my wife Jean 'works' [as a volunteer Docent]. Sarah obviously ain't in the antique business for the money. She owns the portrait and her cousin (also with Poythress roots) here in Louisville owns William's sword. I think I must have done a halfway decent job of schmoozing because [Sarah said] 'just as soon as Joe Durham (the cousin) gets back from his winter Florida home we just have got to get together for dinner, etc, etc.' You two gals are both from the South so you know that could mean everything or nothing. Anyway, I'll persevere." In that same 10 May 1992 letter, JMP also mentioned a supposed Poythress signature on Bill of Rights: "One really neat thing from Sarah: she says a Poythress signed the Bill of Rights. I said great as long as .... I just opened my mouth on that one out of reflex and from the look on her face I might have lost a couple of those schmooze points if there were any there in the first place. [paragraph break] Remembering that Philip Morris [Company] had the original copy of the thing [Bill of Rights] on tour last year I immediately phoned a friend of mine here in Louisville who works for Philip Morris and can make things happen. I asked if it was like the Declaration of Independence with all the guys signing at the bottom and if so I'll take four copies (he owes me). He cynically said hell, he didn't know about the signing because he wasn't there but that he would lay his hands on four of the copies PM was mailing to all the school kids if that was what I wanted. I'll keep you all posted. [Bpn has no recollection of this subject arising again] 19 May 1992 handprinted letter on lined paper. JMP: "This in mail today from Sarah Few [a copy of her Colonial Dames application she had recently signed]. She actually paid for it. Values (Possible): 1. A lot of sources & page numbers cited. 2. Looks to me like it says guy who married Lt. William's daughter Elizabeth took her off to Jessamine Co, KY. That is just south of Lexington ..." [Her application includes these dates for Lt. William Poythress: born 1737 in Virginia; married Elizabeth ___ 1758; died 1783 Virginia.] 11 Jun 1992 in a lengthy letter, JMP acknowledged getting from Bpn a copy of an article re Preacher Francis Poythress in KY; found it very interesting; said he would mail a copy to Sarah Few. Bpn | 08/18/17 5:23:15 |
| [POYTHRESS] Death Notice for Lea Dowd | Crystal Marvin | For those of us that have been researching for decades, many will remember Lea Dowd as being a contributor in the early years of Poythress research who's own main research centered around the Bass of Southeastern VA. I received this today in another group and thought I would share. Condolences to her family Leland (Lea) Anderson Lewis Dowd of Perry, Georgia passed away on Thursday, July 20, 2017 in Columbus at Gentiva Hospice at the age of 65. Lea was born in Columbus, Georgia to the late Jeanne Anderson Lewis and the late Robert Magruder Lewis, Jr. She attended Columbus High School and Bauder Fashion College in Miami, Florida. Her talents and accomplishments were diverse. An avid lover of horses, she was active in the harness racing community for over three decades. She was an excellent markswoman who enjoyed duck and goose hunting. She was proficient in sign language and taught swimming to the deaf. She played the twelve string guitar beautifully, passing a love of music and song on to her daughters, Lisa and Lauren. She will be remembered for her fabulous recipes and love of entertaining. Also a published genealogist, some of her work is included in three publications on Linwood Cemetery. Her love of research and horses led to her interest in equine autoimmune diseases and the development of Immune Technologies, Inc. where she served as President. She is survived by two daughters: Lisa Dowd of Grinnell, Iowa and Lauren Bachmann (Ron) of Colorado Springs, Colorado; two sisters: Laura Rutland and Linda Jackson (Lee) of Columbus, Georgia; sister-in-law Lawrie Lewis of Warm Springs, Georgia; five grandchildren: Kaitlyn (Sean) Young of Charleston, South Carolina, Eric Trate and Kevin Trate of Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming, Sarah Dowd of Perry, Georgia, and Aidan Disburg of Colorado Springs, Colorado; several nieces and nephews including niece Robbin McKissic (James) of Smiths Station, Alabama and special family friend Molly Jackson of Upatoi, Georgia. Other than her parents, she was predeceased by her brother, Robert Magruder Lewis, III, and uncle, James Edward Anderson. In keeping with her wishes, there will be no funeral services. Memorials may be made to Historic Linwood Foundation, Springer Theatre, and Paws Humane. http://www.colonialfhome.com/notices/Leland-Dowd Crystal | 08/22/17 2:37:58 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Lt William Poythress portrait source-info via Maynard 1992 (John M Poythress) | Barbara Neal | Webmaster Al, with copy to our Poythress List - Yes, you are welcome to post my entire Friday, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:23 PM message to our Poythress List, on the Poythress.org website portion about the Lt William Poythress portrait. OR if you as Webmaster prefer, you are welcome to consider any concerns that you as Webmaster may have about any portion of it, and edit any quotations of Maynard's 1992-words from his typed snail-mailed letters accordingly. I do not personally feel the need (or desire) to expend any more of my time considering any further editing of Maynard's 1992 words. I already spent an entire day at the project before I sent my email to the List -- finding his early 1992 typed snail-mailed letters; transcribing the pertinent portions from various letters of ANYthing he said that would shed light on the portrait; and tying in [within my square brackets like these] various threads or potential "leads" which, if followed, MIGHT shed further light on the portrait. My personal feeling is that anyone in the future reading Maynard's 1992 letter-excerpts regarding the portrait, can do a better job of evaluating things he said about the portrait IF the reader can fully evaluate (via Maynard's own words) both his style of writing as well as his 1992-understanding of Lt William Poythress and the Lt Poythress portrait. Later, when our Poythress messages were exchanged via the Poythress Subscription email-list, he continued to write in his own unique, colorful style, as anyone who has read a few of his emails can easily see;) May he continue to rest in peace, as I trust he has since his January 2011 passing on. Thanks, Bpn | 08/23/17 1:27:41 |
| [POYTHRESS] James David Poythress - 2 born about 13 yrs apart | Barbara Neal | The James David Poythress of the antique wedding invitation to a Mississippi wedding (which invitation is now-posted at Poythress.org) was born in Sumter County, AL and lived most of his life in Mississippi. He was son of James Speed Poythress (who was a son of David E Poythress & Mary Speed Dortch) and Martha "Mattie" Grice Raiford. This James David Poythress lived from 1 Nov 1869 to 7 May 1949, dying at age 79; his burial was at Magnolia Cemetery in Meridian, Lauderdale County, MS. Another James David Poythress was born about 13 years earlier than the one above. He was born in Virginia, son of Thomas M Poythress (a son of Lewis Poythress and Rebecca B Taylor) and Lucy Jane Thomas. This James David Poythress lived from 15 Sep 1856 to 1930; his burial is at the Davis-Poythress Cemetery in Brunswick County, VA, and has a grave marker placed thanks to the extensive work of Beatrice nee Poythress Baird. | 08/23/17 1:55:08 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Lt William Poythress portrait source-info via Maynard 1992 (John M Poythress) | Albert Tims | Barbara, I just posted your work to the website — thank you. Sorry if I upset you — just being cautious, I thought. I’m attaching what I think is an interesting bit of Poythress history in the 1906 tornado that wreaked havoc on Meridian - -killing nearly 2 dozen. It sounds like a coincidence may have spared the possible loss of life. I haven’t decided if this should be posted or not - - I have the citation and some photos of the leveled businesses near the rail lines on the south side. Best, Al | 08/23/17 4:15:08 |
| [POYTHRESS] David Poythress - Virginia 15th Regiment -- Valley Forge | Albert Tims | Poythress List, Just posted these links to top-line information about Private David Poythress, 15th Virginia Regiment. The muster roll shows David as being sick and eventually dying during the winter at Valley Forge. http://poythress.org/2017/08/30/private-david-poythress-revolutionary-war-patriot-valley-forge-casualty/ Does anyone have a study or additional information about this David Poythress? | 08/30/17 4:25:34 |
| [POYTHRESS] Francis Poythress -- 18th Century Methodist Pioneer | Albert Tims | Poythress List, The link below will take you to a compilation of eight biographical and historical accounts of this Francis Poythress. These are fascinating accounts. There are more sources of documentation but these are the most substantial I’ve found to far without visiting the Methodist archives. I will add supplemental documents to this compilation as the study of Rev. Francis Poythress progresses. http://poythress.org/early-virginia-studies/archive-library-collection-compilations/biographical-sketches-of-francis-poythress-18th-century-pioneer-of-methodism/ The Methodist historical archives are housed at Pace University in New Jersey — I’ve seen no indication that Poythress family researchers have explored possible early correspondences, etc. Or if so, that they’ve shared the research online or in indexed archives. I have confirmed that a Francis Poythress biographical file exists but I do not know the scope or nature of the contents. The Biographical File Collection contains folders of information largely on historic and current Methodist figures. The file listing also includes the names of non-Methodists. The files contain basic biographical information though largely newspaper clippings, book reviews, and occasional correspondence. This collection of folders is available for researchers at the United Methodist Archives Center at Drew University, Madison, New Jersey, USA. The Wilson Reading Room is open from 9 AM – 5 PM Monday through Friday with the exception of some holidays. For questions about access and/or availability please contact Cassie Brand, Methodist Library Associate and Special Collections Cataloger, at cbrand@drew.edu or 973.408.3590. Folder: 8016 Poythress, Francis http://archives.gcah.org/ The general search of the Pace library collection shows the following documents mentioning Francis Poythress: http://archives.gcah.org/discover?scope=%2F&query=Poythress&rpp=100&sort_by=score&order=desc Over the years on this list we’ve have several very thoughtful exchanges and detailed speculations about Rev. Francis Poythress but we’ve never done a thorough compilation of all available evidence. Minimally, these accounts suggest: (1) That he spent at least one year in the Continental Army (1776-77) - needs attention since this would suggest there may have been two Francis Poythress men serving, during this period. (2) That he was well-educated and polished, or so judged. (3) That he was born circa 1743-4 (about the same time as Robert Poythress’ death - inherited a considerable estate upon the early death of his father and seems to have been reckless and spoiled;. I mention Robert Poythress since the timing of this presumed date of birth and the passing of Robert Poythress might mean that this Francis Poythress might have been unborn when Robert’s will was executed. (4) That his sister Susannah (Susan, Susanna) moved to Jessamine county, KY (originally part of Fayette) with other Pryor families from KY. A will documents that she was the widow of Luke Pryor. She held considerable property both in Virginia and later when she moved to Kentucky. I’m pulling together as much as I can find about her but am not ready to post. There seems to be some solid research already assembled for this branch of the Pryor family, although I’ve not seen evidence that the Pryor research community has allied family research about her. (5) That he may have lived with or been under the mentorship for some period of time of Rev. Devereux Jarratt (of Dinwiddie Co - Bath Parish) while studying religion. We know from his Jarratt’s autobiography that he came to Bath Parish in August,1763. There is no mention of the Poythress family in his autobiography, but it is a rather short treatment. This connection, I believe, could help us place (both timeframe and physical location) Rev. Poythress during his early adulthood. Multiple Poythress families were in Dinwiddie County during the 18th Century. To make the Rev. Jarratt connection even more intriguing, we have this passage (page 81) in Randolph, W. (1952). Henry Randolph I, 1623-1773 [sic] of Henrico County, Virginia, and his descendants: Preceded by short review of the Randolph family in early England and elsewhere. Memphis: Distributed by Cossitt Library. In the Reverend Mr. Slaughter’s History of Bristol Parish (p. 206) there is this record: “Mary, daughter of Francis Poythress and Mary Peterson, married Randolph of Amelia County." Neither the date nor the place of their marriage is given but it is certain that the marriage of Henry Randolph V is here referred to.6 According to family tradition, his wife was commonly called Polly Peterson Poythress and in her stockings she knitted her initials “P.P.P." She had been reared in the family of the Rev. Devereux Jarratt7 and she was about 13 yearsof age when she married, her fiance being about 10 years her elder. She was quite wealthy as wealth was estimated at that time, owning 160 slaves, 80 of which she had inherited from her brother on his death unmarried. 7 For references to Rev. Dev. Jarrett, see: 55 Va. 154; 23 W. & M. (2) 271. If this family tradition is an accurate account, why would Mary (Polly) Peterson Poythress (born 1763) to Francis Poythress and Mary Peterson be reared in the family of Rev. Devereux? And if true, how might this connect with the known relationship to the education of Rev. Francis Poythress? | 09/01/17 10:53:31 |
| [POYTHRESS] Rev Francis Poythress and the Rev. Devereux Jarratt family -- A clue. | Albert Tims | List, My recent post closed with a question about the relationship between Poythress family and Rev. Devereux Jarratt of Bath Parish. In the Reverend Mr. Slaughter’s History of Bristol Parish (p. 206) there is this record: “Mary, daughter of Francis Poythress and Mary Peterson, married Randolph of Amelia County.” Neither the date nor the place of their marriage is given but it is certain that the marriage of Henry Randolph V is here referred to.6 According to family tradition, his wife was commonly called Polly Peterson Poythress and in her stockings she knitted her initials “P.P.P.” She had been reared in the family of the Rev. Devereux Jarratt. If this [Randolph] family tradition is an accurate account, why would Mary (Polly) Peterson Poythress (born 1763) to Francis Poythress and Mary Peterson be reared in the family of Rev. Devereux? And if true, how might this connect with the known relationship to the education of Rev. Francis Poythress? I have included a link below from a post to this list some years back related to these relationships. http://newsfeed.rootsweb.com/th/read/POYTHRESS/2004-05/1085792862 Reviewing this and related earlier posts to the Poythress list along with preliminary explorations of a few other sources I came to see that a potentially important clue was right under my nose: From Claiborne of Virginia: descendants of Colonel William Claiborne: the first eight generations. John Dorman & Claiborne Smith, Gateway Press, 1995. BURNELL CLAIBORNE (Leonard’, Thomas’, William’) married, after Sept. 1738,’ Hannah (Ravenscroft) Poythress widow of Francis Poythress and undoubtedly daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth (Hamlin) Ravenscroft of "Maycox????.· Prince George County.” Rev. Devereux Jarratt married Martha Claiborne — daughter of Burnell & Hanna Claiborne. The reports I’ve read so far seem to indicate that he left the management of their plantation to Martha. All of this needs to be documented but if proven true it would mean that the widow of Francis Poythress (1707-1738) [Hanna] was Rev. Devereux Jarratt’s mother-in-law the we may have a new insight into the basis for apparent ties to Mary (Polly) Peterson Poythress (Randolph) and Rev. Francis Poythress. | 09/02/17 7:35:03 |
| [POYTHRESS] Captain Poythress -- News From Lisbon in 1810 - Napoleonic Wars | Albert Tims | Poythress List, The post below may be of general interest to those interested in the intersection of Poythress affairs in the turbulent early years of the United States. To the best of my knowledge, we have not yet devoted systematic study of Captain Poythress. The account shared below is one of several newspaper accounts now available online via the NewsBank Historical Newspapers Collection — can be searched at many public and university libraries. http://wp.me/p3YRD3-mu | 09/03/17 4:01:08 |
| [POYTHRESS] John D Poythress, a Meridian business owner pre-1908 - help please | Barbara Neal | I appreciate Al's postings on several various Poythress men, but have no insight to share on the several of his recent posts. They did prompt me to take time away from what I'm "supposed" to be doing;) and look at the ever-growing Poythress.org new website. I'm puzzled that I have no listing among the MANY Poythress folk I've entered in my genie program thru the years, that would match up with the fellow in one of the "New" items listed on the right side of the web page: That listing shows "New: 1908 Poythress Case - Mississippi Supreme Court" Opening it, one learns that the case was filed earlier, and reached MS's Supreme Court in 1908. The case had been filed by "John D Poythress and another, appellants." They were owners of "a storehouse and were engaged in the mercantile business" at a specific address in Meridian, MS -- so obviously adults capable of being property owners before 1908. While I know of many John Poythress men, NONE has a middle initial of "D" whose lifetime fits with being that person. Can anyone help connect this John D Poythress for me, please, to any known Poythress family? Thanks, Barbara | 09/03/17 11:00:45 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] John D Poythress, a Meridian business owner pre-1908 - help please | Albert Tims | Barbara, I don’t know if this will help or not, but I’m almost positive that this case involved the same business mentioned in this newspaper account of the tornado that tore through southside rail yards and downtown Meridian in 1906. http://poythress.org/primary-records/newspaper-records/historical-account-poythress-business-destroyed-in-1906-meridian-mississippi-tornado/ The news account references G. W. Poythress as president of the business and B. R. Poythress (G. W.’s son) as slightly injured. This business made railroad ties — and prepared then with creosote. I have identified other news accounts about this enterprise. | 09/03/17 12:14:52 |
| [POYTHRESS] Dr. John Poythress of Beaufort NC - Died 1813 | Albert Tims | List, I’ve pulled together the threads we have about Dr. Poythress in this post to the new website - including links to his will and a Boston newspaper mention of his death and previous posts to this list with additional references to Dr. Poythress. http://wp.me/p3YRD3-mG To the best of my knowledge, we still do not have him traced back to a Poythress line. We know his wife’s name was Polly but nothing more has been shared on the list, as far as I can tell. There were only a handful of medical schools in the US prior to 1813 — places like Penn, Harvard, Dartmouth, Columbia and interestingly, Transylvania College [Lexington KY] founded medical education in 1799). I don’t know if records of the students from that era have survived, but it might be worth exploring. | 09/03/17 12:45:25 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] John D Poythress, a Meridian business owner pre-1908 - help please | Barbara Neal | the James Speed Poythress line on this Poythress subscription list -- including Elaine, Judy, and Al as well as plenty of potential others. Please feel free to speak up, JSP-descendants;) Thanks, Barbara (who is not a JSP-descendant) | 09/04/17 2:34:42 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] John D Poythress, a Meridian business owner pre-1908 - help please | Albert Tims | List, This may add further support, or confusion, to Barbara’s conclusions. It might be that it was James David Poythress rather than John D. Poythress. http://wp.me/p3YRD3-n1 I defer to Barbara on all such matters, however. Best, Al | 09/04/17 3:03:01 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] John D Poythress, a Meridian business owner pre-1908 - help please | Barbara Neal | Actually "B R Poythress" was Bryant Richardson Poythress [Sr] -- a son, born 3 Oct 1881 to James Speed Poythress & Martha Grice Raiford; Bryant Sr died 27 Feb 1968 in Meridian. [By the way, B R's son, Bryant Richardson Poythress Jr was born 28 Feb 1918] Bryant Richard Poythress' eldest brother, Charles William Poythress -- first son, born 24 Aug 1868 of James Speed Poythress. "C W Poythress" is the most likely "candidate" to be the "G W Poythress" mentioned by Al, from the Meridian news account Al had reviewed about the 1906 Meridian tornado damage. It seems likely to me that the "John D Poythress" of the 1908 Mississippi Supreme Court record (who I asked about at the beginning of this thread), was actually John Thomas Poythress -- another son, born 19 Dec 1877 of James Speed Poythress. I think he was the only John Poythress in that vicinity to have been a Meridian, MS property owner at the correct time. I guess it would serve me well to keep in mind that even Court filings, as well as newspaper articles can and do make transcription errors and/or typographical errors. I've surely made my own share of them;) All of these children of James Speed Poythress are listed in the (posted at poythress.org) "Raiford-Poythress Family Bible" pages -- jpg images of which Elaine donated in 2002 to Library of VA, and sent to Al for our website. Elaine also transcribed them. Barbara | 09/04/17 11:10:47 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] John D Poythress, a Meridian business owner pre-1908 - help please | Albert Tims | List, As encouraged, I dug a little deeper and found the Mississippi Supreme Court case at issue reported in The Southern Reporter (Vol 46), 1908, pp. 139-142). This record shows the suit as brought by James D. Poythress, not a John D. Poythress. Here is a PDF link to this record. I’ve added this supplemental document to the court record housed with the primary records section on the Poythress website. http://poythress.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Poythress-Railroad-Southern-Reporter.pdf I also checked the 1900 and 1910 census for Lauderdale County, Mississippi and find no adult male John Poythress in the county during that time period. And, of course, we have the newspaper announcement I shared. I think we can confirm that this was indeed a case brought by James David Poythress, son of James Speed Poythress. | 09/05/17 6:10:55 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] John D Poythress, a Meridian business owner pre-1908 - help please | Barbara Neal | Thanks, Al, for digging deeper & finding the right son of JSP, James David Poythress, was the correct name. Barbara Barbara | 09/05/17 6:14:16 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] John D Poythress, a Meridian business owner pre-1908 - help please | Albert Tims | List, I have a confession to make about my reading of the evidence related to the Supreme Court case The Southern Reporter actually mentions "J.D. Poythress and his wife” as bringing the suit. There is no John Poythress and only one J.D. Poythress in the census records for 1910: Poythress, J. D. , male, white, age 40, married 15 yrs., AL ,NC,AL, butcher/market, own account, owns/free/house. The case talks about the impact of the road closing on customer access to the store. It seems far more plausible that the business at issue is a grocery market rather than the planing and creosote business mentioned in the news account I shared. My compounded errors were to conflate the two businesses and to incorrectly assert that the Southern Reporter used the given name “James" when all it gave was “J.D. Poythress and his wife”. I can’t find anything more via online archives, so I think the only way to get confirming documentation will be to seek out court, land and business records extant in Meridian and Lauderdale County archives. Because we have no John D. Poythress showing up has the head of a household or even living in the county, I still believe that the J.D. Poythress and wife bringing the suit is James David and his wife, Carrie. By the way, I note that in the text of the Mississippi Supreme Court case they spell Poythress both as Poythress and as Potress — which suggests less than rigorous copy editing, perhaps. | 09/05/17 8:39:27 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress Files for US Patent in 1940 | Albert Tims | List, A bit of serendipitous discovery came up in my search for a John D. Poythress. I don’t know where in the family tree this John D. Poythress of Dallas Texas might be but as someone who believes air conditioning was welcomed across the South I find this patent for air conditioning worthy of note. http://poythress.org/2017/09/05/john-d-poythress-of-dallas-texas-files-us-patent-in-1940-see-it-here/ | 09/05/17 9:14:24 |
| [POYTHRESS] JD Poythress descen of J A Poythress & Martha in Caddo, LA 1860 | Barbara Neal | Linda Clark Smith & Marianne & I have all 3 at times worked on trying to definitively connect back J A Poythress, who I think we initially saw in the 1860 Census of Caddo Parish, LA with an intriguing Poythress relative in the household, John M Poythress, 26-yr old carpenter born in FL. While this email doesn't connect either JA or John M further back, it does give us more info on J A Poythress' family and descendants. Al's posting about a John D Poythress applying in 1940 for a US Patent for air conditioning, had "Dallas Texas" in the see-it-here link. The Dallas TX & John D Poythress rang a bell for me, prompting me to look back in my stuff for a Dallas, TX Poythress. John D Poythress was son of John Henry Poythress. And John Henry Poythress was son of J A Poythress, who was in the 1860 Caddo Parish, Louisiana Census. The connection was made, tying together for those 3 generations, thanks to the TX Death Certificates of John Douglas Poythress in 1967, and John Henry Poythress in 1922. Further below I've transcribed both the Death Certificates. A number of Census records are here, too. First, however here is J D Poythress is in the 1940 Census, just a month before "John D Poythress" applied for his Patent. The Application date of May 9, 1940 is seen on p.2 of the 6-page PDF that Al posted at the website J D Poythress 1940 Census hh, as I transcribed it from image: Enumerated on 16 Apr 1940 in town of University Park, Dallas Co, TX, at 3446 Pateman, hh #33 (in order of visitation), which address is Rented for $45/mo: - Poythress, J D, head, Male, White, 36, Married; no did not attend school since 1 March 1940; highest grade of school completed was c-4 [college 4 yrs]; b. Texas; on 1 April 1935 lived "same place" [same city, county, & state as currently]; No that was not on a farm; Yes this person was at work for pay the week of March 24-30; -, -, -, - ; 44 hours worked that week; -; occupation "manager" in industry of "wholesale heat & ventilatn Co," Pw [Paid a wage], 52 wks worked in 1939; $2,400 income in 1939; No did not receive income of $50 or more from source other than wage or salary in 1939 " , Dorothy [circled x mark indicates she was the person furnishing the info], wife, Female, White, 35, Married; no did not attend school since 1 March 1940; highest grade of school completed was c-2 [college 2 yrs]; b. Texas; on 1 April 1935 lived "same place" [same city, county, & state as currently]; No that was not on a farm; No this person was not at work for pay the week of March 24-30; no this person was not at work assigned to public emergency work [WPA, NYA, CCC, etc]; no this person was not seeking work; no this person does not have a job/ business, etc; H [home housework], - [blank for # hours worked week of March 24-30] , 0 wks worked in 1939; 0 income in 1939; No did not receive income of $50 or more from source other than wage or salary in 1939. By happenstance, I learned that J D Poythress had only one child (a daughter) who was born the same year as that 1940 Census. I saw this obit when checking periodically for Poythress obits online. Since she was an amazing person, I'm quoting her whole obit, as published in The [Colorado Springs, CO] Gazette from January 23 to January 25, 2007: Susan "Jane" Poythress entered eternal life January 17, 2007, due to complications following a stroke. She was born on October 23, 1940, an only child, to Dorothy Ann Mosley Poythress and John Douglas Poythress at the Methodist Hospital in Dallas, Texas. After graduation from Highland Park High School in Dallas, she attended the University of Oklahoma and received her BA degree in geology with a minor in French. She also took courses at Southern Methodist University and later took graduate courses at Pennsylvania State University. Her career included working for the Department of the Interior at the Office of Geography in Washington, D.C., then at the Department of Geography at Penn State University. Later she joined IBM and became a Systems Engineer working with customers throughout the U.S. The need to care for her mother took her back to Dallas and she continued to work for IBM as an Administrative Assistant. In 1985 she transferred from the Dallas office of IBM to Colorado Springs along with her devoted workgroup. Her activities and offices included French Club, Gamma Theta Upsilon historian, Alpha Gamma Delta House President, Dean's list, Kappa Phi, Bible Study Fellowship, and orchestra. As a child she attended summer camp in Colorado, where she mastered riflery, swimming, and archery. In the summer of 1960, she was a camp counselor at Camp Ton-A-Wandah in Henderson, North Carolina. Retirement allowed her more time to pursue sewing and she became an avid quilter. She was also an accomplished musician, playing the piano, violin and flute. Susan loved football and always followed the OU team. She had season tickets to the Cowboys games while in Dallas, and loved them when they were tops. After moving to Colorado Springs she adopted the Denver Broncos. Susan loved riding in the Colorado mountains, with the car window down, breathing in cool, fresh air. Shrine Pass from Red Cliff to Vail was one of her favorites. Loyalty and generosity were her dearest and most treasured traits. She remained in close contact with, and cherished dearly her childhood and college friends, as well as neighbors, co-workers, church, and quilting buddies. Her faith remained strong through her cancer treatments and stroke. A Memorial Service celebrating Susan's life will be held Friday, January 26 at 11:00 a.m. at First Lutheran Church, 1515 North Cascade Avenue, Colorado Springs, CO 80907, phone (719) 632-8836. Susan has requested that any donations be made to the church in lieu of flowers. My transcription of J D Poythress' TX Death Certif, from the image: TX Death Certificate, State File # 08297, for death of John Douglas Poythress on 17 Feb 1967 in Dallas, Dallas Co, TX, who died on arrival at Baylor Medical Center; his usual residence was 3429 Hanover in University Park, Dallas Co, TX. He was listed as having died at age 63, and as a Married White Male, born 4 Dec 1903, in Dallas, TX, whose father's name was John H Poythress and mother's maiden name was Minnie Brown. His usual occupation was Sales Engineer at Barber Coleman Heating & AirConditioning; he was never in the US Armed Forces; his Social Security # was 478-01-4875. Informant was [presumably his wife] Mrs. Dorothy Poythress. His immediate cause of death was Acute Coronary Occlusion with death occurring Instantly. Contributory condition was listed as "Coronary Scleronia(?)" for "10 yrs (?). Listed as Part of Other Significant Conditions Contributing to Death was "Chronic aortic valvular heart diesase." No autopsy was performed. John Bradfield, M.D. of Dallas, TX certified on 20 Feb 1967 that he attended him from 1 Jan 1960 to 17 Feb 1967; that he last saw him on 17 Feb 1967; and that death occurred at 7:55 pm. Under "Burial, Cremation, Removal (Specify)" is listed "Entombment" to be on 20 Feb 1967 at Restland Garden Mausoleum, Dallas, TX, with Sparkman's Inc Funeral Home of Dallas, TX handling arrangements. Certificate was received by local registrar on 20 Feb 1967. John D Poythress was the Informant for the 1960 TX Death Certif of his mother, Minnie Brown Poythress & his father John Henry Poythress in 1922 in TX. My transcription of the TX Death Certif for JDP's father, John Henry Poythress, from the image: TX Death Certificate Reg. Dis. # 7414 (stamped) Registered # 618 (handwritten) for John Henry Poythress who died in Dallas, Dallas Co, TX at St Paul Sanitarium [hospital], and whose residence was 3411 Asbury St. He had resided in the city for 33 years. The certificate records that he was a married white male, born 19 Jan 1863; at death was age 59 yrs, 2 mo, 4 days. His occupation was Dept. Mgr & Buyer for Sanger Bros. He was born in LA; father J.A. Poythress, who was listed as having been born in LA; maiden name of mother Martha Susan Farmer, listed as having been born LA. Informant for the info was [his son] J.Douglas Poythress of 3411 Asbury. The Medical Particulars: died 23 Mar 1922; attended the deceased only on that date of death; death occurred at 3 p.m. Cause of death was chronic Myocarditis, of 1 year duration. A check mark is all shown on the Contributory (Secondary) cause line. Disease contracted at Dallas; no operation preceded death; no autopsy; no test was done to confirm diagnosis. Signed C.H. Bellaney, MD, on 24 Mar 1922. Place of Burial Oakland Cemetery on 25 Mar 1922. Filed 25 Mar 1922. After John Henry Poythress died, John D Poythress is still in the hh of his mother, Minnie Poythress, in the 1930 Census. Transcribed from image: 1930 Census; University Park, Dallas, TX, ED 100, Sheet 10-A, Lines 23-28, at 3410 Asbury St, Dwelling 91, Family # 92, enumerated on 6 April as of 1 Apr: - Minnie B Poythress, Head, owns home, home valued at $12,000; no radio; not on a farm; Female, White, 67 at last birthday, widowed, age 27 at first marriage, did not attend school since Sept 1 1929, yes can read & write, b.TX, fa b.MO, mo b.SC, "none" occupation - John D Poythress, Son, Male, White, 27, Single, yes attended school since 1 Sep 1929, yes can read & write, b.TX, fa b.LA, mo b.TX, "none" occupation - Sarah Wheeler, Roomer, Female, White, 26, Single, b.MS, fa b.MS, mo b.MS, Public School Teacher - Louise Wheeler, Roomer, Female, White 30, Single, b.MS, fa b.MS, mo b.MS, Public School Teacher - Claudia Pangle, Roomer, Female, White, 26, Single, b.TX, fa b.TX, mo b.TX, Public School Teacher - J T Barfield, Roomer, Male, White, 21, Single, yes attended school since 1 Sep 1929, b.TX, fa b.AL, mo b.TX, "none" occupation Now, having seen, above, in John Henry Poythress' Death Certif, the Informant listing his name as "J. Douglas Poythress" we can spot him, as son "Douglas J Poythress" in the 1920 Census for John Henry Poythress' hh. I've transcribed it from image: 1920 Census Dallas County, TX, J Precinct 1, Supv Dist 5, ED 29, Precinct 16 of Dallas City, Sheet 21-B enumerated 15 Jan 1920, Lines 94-97, address of 4826 Junius, Dwelling 413, Family 487: - Poythress, John H, Head, R[ents], Male, White, 56, Married, Yes able to read, Yes able to write, b.Louisiana, fa b.United States, mo b.United States, [fa & mo Mother Tongue was English, by ditto from above], Yes speaks English, Trade/profession Buyer, Dry Goods, Wage - " , Minnie, Wife, Female, White, 56, Married, Yes able to read, Yes able to write, b.Texas, fa b.Kentucky, mo b.Alabama, [fa & mo Mother Tongue was English, by ditto from above], Yes speaks English, Trade/profession "none" - " , Mattisu, Daughter, Female, White, 25, Single, Yes able to read, Yes able to write, b.Texas, fa b.Louisiana, mo b.Texas, [fa & mo Mother Tongue was English, by ditto from above], Yes speaks English, Trade/profession Teacher, Public School, Wage - " . Douglas J, Son, Male, White, 16, Single, Yes attended school, Yes able to read, Yes able to write, b.Texas, fa b.Louisiana, mo b.Texas, [fa & mo Mother Tongue was English, by ditto from above], Yes speaks English, Trade/profession "none" That sister, Mattisu (or Mattie-Sue in the 1900 Census, below) died at age 27 in TX in 1921; married surname Lyon; her father, as J.H. Poythress was the Informant. My transcription from the image: TX Death Certificate, Reg Dis # 21796 (stamped), Registered # 1275 (handwritten), in Dallas, Dallas Co, TX, for Mattisu Poythress Lyon, resident of 4826 Junius, who had lived in the city for 27 years. The form lists her as a married white female, born 28 Jan 1894, age 27 years, 6 mo, 11 days, whose occupation was Housewife. Her birthplace was Dallas, Tex; name of father J.H.Poythress, born LA; maiden name of mother Minnie Brown, born TX; Informant for that information was [her father] J.H. Poythress of 4826 Junius. Medical Particulars: death occurred 9 Aug 1921 at 11:15 a.m; attended the deceased from June 29, 1921 to Aug 9, 1921 and last saw her alive on Aug 9, 1921. Cause of Death was Pernicious Vomiting of Pregnancy - Toxic [in?] Neuro[---] type, duration of 1 mo 15 days. Contributory (Secondary) cause: Acidosis accompanied with acute dilation of heart, duration of 30[?] days. Disease contracted at Dallas; no operation preceded death; no autopsy. An illegible word appears beside "What test confirmed diagnosis?" Signed by C.R. Hannah[?], M.D. on Aug 9, 1921. Burial at Oakland Cemetery on 10 Aug 1921, Dallas. The record was filed 10 Aug 1921. Before J D Poythress was born, his parents and sisters 1900 Census, transcribed from image: 1900 Census, Ward 9 of city of Dallas, Dallas Co, TX, Supv Distr 6, ED 118, sheet 12-B, enumerated 8 Jun 1900, Lines 92-95, address of 125 Allen, Dwelling 255, Family 277: - Poythress, John H, Head, White Male, b.Jan 1863, age 37, Married for 10 years, b.Louisiana, father b.Georgia, mo b.Alabama, Occupation "Salesman (Dry G[oods]), 0 months not employed, Yes reads, writes & speaks English, Owns, Mortgage, Home - , Minnie B, Wife, White Female, b.Feb 1863, age 37, Married for 10 years, 2 children born & 2 living, b.Texas, fa b.Missouri, mo b.Alabama, no occupation, Yes reads, writes & speaks English - , E.J, Daughter, White Female, b.Apr 1891, age 9, Single, b.Texas, fa b.Louisiana, mo b.Texas - , Matti-Sue, Daughter, White Female, b.Jan 1894, age 6, Single, b.Texas, fa b.Louisiana, mo b.Texas Below are both the 1860 & 1870 Census records that have names of the parents of John Henry Poythress as listed in his TX Death Certif, (J A Poythress & Martha). 1860 Caddo Parish, Louisiana Census, Shreveport Post Office, enumerated 27th July 1860; lines 7-12; dwelling 408; family 413: - James A Poythress, age 38; M; farmer; $1,000 in real estate; $500 in personal; born Georgia; married 1851 (Note: this was put by the census-taker in column 11, even though noting that date was not required) - Martha A Poythress, age 30; F; born Virginia; [ditto for the 1851 marriage, in column 11] - Emma J Poythress, age 8; F; born La; attended school within the year - Mary V Poythress, age 6; F; born La - Wm. H Poythress, age 4; M; born La - John M Poythress, age 26; M; carpenter; born Florida By 1870, their son John Henry Poythress is listed, called Henry: 1870 (taken as of 1 Jun) US Population Census taken at Beat No.3, Panola Co, TX, Evergreen Post Office, enumerated 17 Aug, Page 147 (handwritten) & 303 (stamped), Lines 24-31, Dwelling 1261, Family 1261: - Poythress, J A, 47, M, W, Farmer, 800 [land value], 800 [personal property value], b.Georgia - " , Martha, 40, F, W, Keeping house, b.Virginia - " , Emma, 14, F, W, b.Louisiana - " , Mary, 12, F, W, b.do [ditto of Louisiana] - " , William, 9, M, W, b.do [ditto of Louisiana] - " , Samuel, 7, M, W, b.do [ditto of Louisiana] - " , Henry, 5, M, W, b.do [ditto of Louisiana] - " , James, 3, M, W, b.Texas By the 1880 Census, J A Poythress has died, and Martha is hh: Panola Co, TX Enumeration District 62, p.15, Supv District 1; enumerated 15 Jun 1880 by F.A. Cadenhead, household is Dwelling #142, Family #142, listed on lines 5 through 9: - Martha Poythress, W, F, 50, widow, Keeps House, b. VA, father b. VA, mother b. VA; - William Poythress, W, M, 21, son, works on farm, b. LA, father b. GA, mother b. VA - Samuel Poythress, W, M, 19, son, works on farm, b. LA, father b. GA, mother b. VA - Henry Poythress, W, M, 17, son, works on farm, b. LA, father b. GA, mother b. VA - James Poythress, W, M, 13, son, works on farm, b. Texas, father b. GA, mother b. VA I've not yet seen any burial record or obit in any old newspaper for J A Poythress who likely died in Panola County, TX -- just across the state line from Shreveport, LA. IF we should ever be so fortunate to see one, MAYBE it would even name who J A Poythress' father was. Barbara | 09/06/17 3:01:41 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress/Jones | Kathy P | For many years (20+) now I have been searching for evidence that my 2ggrandfather's parents were Thomas Jones and Martha Poythress. His name was Micajah Jones and all census records say he was born in South Carolina in 1797. Online unsourced trees say parents were Thomas Jones and Martha Poythress. I try contacting tree owners but no one answers and I can find nothing. He married Genoa Tate in 1820 in Georgia. I can track all his children and his life and death in Georgia and have documentation for this.I had hoped to find something as more records came online, but nothing. A trip to Salt Lake FH Library a few years back yielded nothing. Did he crawl out from beneath a rock? His descendants include the famous (golfer Bobby Jones) who had a movie about him. I even tried contacting his descendants...no answer... DNA has given me nothing I didn't already know. The trail stops at Micajah Jones b 1797 in SC Help to disspell or confirm Thomas Jones and Martha Poythress would be appreciated. Kathy PorterSent via the AT&T Samsung Galaxy S6 active | 09/07/17 1:21:45 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] JD Poythress descen of J A Poythress & Martha in Caddo, LA 1860 | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Marianne, wow, thank you so much for sharing all this Poythress line verification. I'm so glad to see you are still getting the Poythress-List emails. If you have not yet checked out the great new website (poythress.org) that webmaster Al Tims now has time & interest, as well as great Internet access, to pursue, check it out. We are at the airport Park & Wait lot, about to pick up our kids & grandkids for the weekend. I'll be back online next week. Barbara | 09/08/17 10:21:18 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] JD Poythress descen of J A Poythress & Martha in Caddo, LA 1860 | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Barbara, It is good to hear from you and you bring such good news. Let me tell you about my cousin Susan. In 1981, I was ABD doing my internship at a small consulting company in San Diego. I had been on the job for maybe a month when we had blue-lines that needed to be delivered to our client IBM in Dallas. I was given the task to hand carry the blue lines and hand them over as final deliverables for the project. I arrived in Dallas, drove to the IBM office in downtown Dallas and went up to the head of Marketing to deliver the package. I delivered and as I was turning to leave, he said, "Wait a minute, there is someone you need to meet." He called in Susan Poythress. We spoke for a while and then I met her after work, visited her home and we had dinner together. She told me that she remembered going to Shreveport to see Aunt Fannie, who is my great aunt Fannie. She told me about her grandfather John Henry who left the family farm and moved to Dallas to work in a merchantile company that became a clothing store (Sanger), I knew she was the last of her family. There are probably some other random facts she shared, but they are lost somewhere in my brain. I later went to work at IBM and she and I would periodically exchange emails, but didn't really connect further. But her information about her grandfather further reinforced what I had learned about my family. They have some favorite names and they repeat them in each generation, in some form or another. For example, J.A. children: Emma Jane (buried in the County Line cemetery in Panola County-Married to a Robinson, whose brother William's child, Marguerite married J.A. son Sam J (my great grandfather) You see the name Emma repeated in the 1900 census for John H. daughter E.J. (also, my daughter is named Emma) John Henry b. 1863, then in his other son Samuel Jefferson's (born 1862) family is a son John Henry b 1890 William ?W. born 1860, once again in Samuel Jefferson's (1862) family is William born 1901 And of course there is Sam J (1862), Sam J 1885, and Sam J (1919) This is just one excuse I have for getting my generations confused. Thank you for this information. It is nice to have confirmation and more details. Marianne Poythress "Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters." Albert Einstein iana, mo b.Texas | 09/08/17 10:38:56 |
| [POYTHRESS] More on Rev. Francis Poythress | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Poythress List, I have posted to the website an update on the search to establish or confirm the parentage of Rev. Poythress. In this post I link to two historically interesting and informative chapters related to the founding of the Bethel Academy in Kentucky and the role of Poythress family during the founding and early years. Rather than reproduce that post here, I’m sharing the direct link. I hope others who’ve done far deeper dives into the early families will let me know where I might be astray and/or if the connections I’m proposing might help move us closer to establishing a place for Rev. Francis Poythress in the family tree. The link: http://wp.me/p3YRD3-nf | 09/09/17 12:00:21 |
| [POYTHRESS] Connecting Rev. O.D. Poythress of Norfolk to Meredith Poythress, Jr. | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Poythress List, I hope this preliminary study (link below) of the lineage of Rev. O.D. Poythress of Norfolk, Va will encourage new contributions. Rev. O.D. Poythress was first mentioned on this list back in 1997 when he came up in an index of marriage records for Norfolk County, VA. Over the years we have yet to focus on connecting him to the Poythress tree. Recently, I was searching a new database of high school and college yearbooks on the Ancestry site and came across multiple mentions of O.D. Poythress. Recalling the earlier post, I started pulling up the records from his days at Elon College (now a University and unaffiliated with a church) in North Carolina, founded by the Christian Connection in 1889, later part of the United Church of Christ. His collegiate engagements with music, debate and student leadership are richly preserved in the yearbooks. This serendipity prompted a search for the family history that led him to this path. This preliminary study is rudimentary, but it may be that we have a promising foundation for tracing his Poythress lineage. If the lineage proposed proves true, we may be close to having his line connect to Meredith Poythress, Jr. and by extension to Thomas Poythress. I’d welcome insights, additions, corrections, etc. If we’re fortunate, his descendants may have family history to share. I’ve included a couple of photos in the post. http://wp.me/P3YRD3-o2 | 09/17/17 11:15:16 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Gene Doyle Poythress of Richmond Hill, Georgia | 1930 - 2017 | Obituary | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Thanks for sharing. The afternoon totty's and rug cutting seems to be in the DNA. Kevin Poythress Sent from my iPhone | 09/21/17 3:12:47 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Gene Doyle Poythress of Richmond Hill, Georgia | 1930 - 2017 | Obituary | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Thank you, Al, for letting us know. Gene & our good buddy, LeRoof "Bud" Poythress (who died in 2016), were first cousins: Gene's father, (Theodore) Hull Poythress, was a brother of Bud's father, Joseph Eugene Poythress. May all those departed Poythress men Rest In Peace. Barbara | 09/21/17 4:20:23 |
| [POYTHRESS] Gene Doyle Poythress of Richmond Hill, Georgia | 1930 - 2017 | Obituary | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Poythress List, A non-subscriber forwarded the link below to an obituary notice for Mr. Gene Doyle Poythress of Richmond Hill, GA. http://www.coxrichmondhillfh.com/obituary/gene-poythress Below is the main text but visiting the site will afford an opportunity to share. Gene Doyle Poythress, of Richmond Hill, GA died on Wednesday August 16, 2017 at the age of 86. He was born on September 8, 1930 in Rincon, GA and was the youngest of 8 children. He grew up in Savannah and attended Commercial High School. On August 18, 1951 he married the love of his life Mary Ann Lewis. They were married for 58 years and had 4 children, 6 grandchildren and 7 great grandchildren. Doyle retired from Power Brake and Wheel and spent most of his retirement in Richmond Hill, GA. He was an active member of St. Elizabeth’s Episcopal Church in Richmond Hill. Affectionately known to most as Papa, he loved nothing more than spending time with family and friends. Even into his 80’s he could still cut a rug on the dance floor and be found sharing an afternoon totty with friends and family. He is preceded in death by his wife, Mary Ann Poythress; son Gene Michael Poythress; his parents, Hull and Mae Poythress; and 2 brothers and 4 sisters. Left to honor Papa are three children, Susan MacMillan (Ben); Greg Poythress; and Kathy Lawhon (John). 6 Grandchildren: Heather MacMillan Fountain (Corey); Meredith MacMillan Dyer (Andy); Brett Poythress; Brandon & Josh Lawhon; and Alex Poythress. 7 Great grandchildren: Molly & Luke Fountain; Mac, Mary Walton, Brooks & Ruby Dyer; Aria Poythress and a brother, Johnny Poythress. Visitation will be this Saturday August 19, 2017 from 10am-11:30am at the Richmond Hill Funeral Home with funeral services beginning at 11:30. Burial will follow at Burnt Church Cemetery. Remembrances: Alzheimer’s Association of Coastal Georgia (201 Television Circle, Savannah, GA 31406) or St. Elizabeth’s Episcopal Church (16491 HWY 144 East, Richmond Hill, GA 31324). | 09/21/17 9:42:49 |
| [POYTHRESS] Henry Poythress Obit | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Here is the link for the obituary for Henry Poythress of Simms, NC. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/newsobserver/obituary.aspx?n=henry-l-poythress&pid=186708588&fhid=16943 Henry is the son of Roscoe Mack Poythress and Reney Alma Mercer Poythress. He was born 19 May 1935 in Wilson County NC. He married Norma Sherron Davis on 13 Sept 1955 in Wilson Co NC. He died Monday, the 18th of Sept 2017. His line is as follows: Henry Roscoe Mack Poythress and Reney Alma Mercer Joseph Poythress and Mary Jane Garner James Poythress and Sarah "Sallie" Crowder of Northampton County, NC. This was part of the Portuguese Poythress line of Gaston, Northampton Co NC. I will post the actual obituary if one is published. Crystal 🙂 | 09/21/17 11:26:43 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Henry Poythress Obit | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Thanks so much, Crystal, for letting us know& for the great recap of his line! Barbara | 09/23/17 2:11:05 |
| [POYTHRESS] Roll Call -- Survey of Farthest Back Known Male in your Poythress line | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Poythress List Members, It has proven useful for stimulating information exchange to ask our subscribers to update the list community on current research interests. We invite you to post a summary of your current research goals and a note about who is the farthest back known male in your Poythress line. Sharing will help us leverage the expertise and efforts of one another and, ideally, allow us to develop new family resources for the Poythress website. Even if you’re just passively monitoring right now, it would be very helpful to have a sense of where the trail may have grown cold. And we’d love to post photographs of family artifacts and your oldest Poythress family photographs. Thank you! Best, Al Tims | 10/01/17 4:31:26 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Roll Call -- Survey of Farthest Back Known Male in your Poythress line | Poythress Surname Mailing List | James R. Poythress b. 1796 m. Sarah Crowder 1-27-1827 Area: Northampton County, North Carolina Bruce Porter bbmp1984@verizon.net | 10/02/17 6:20:11 |
| [POYTHRESS] Roll Call: Farthest-Back Known Male David Poythress of Mecklenburg, VA | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Poythress List, The farthest-back proven Poythress male in my family line is David Poythress of Mecklenburg, VA. David married Mary Speed Dortch on December 17th, 1827 in Mecklenburg. My proven line runs from David Poythress -> James Speed Poythress -> James David Poythress -> Grace Poythress (my grandmother). A study of early records connecting (via transactions and geography) Meredith, Lewis and David Poythress was compiled by Barbara Poythress Wolfe and posted to the website at: http://poythress.org/family-studies/study-of-lewis-david-poythress-virginia/ We have exchanges over the past two decades archived on our list that tried to help us break through was seems (to me at least) to be a significant roadblock in our effort to connect the Mecklenburg families to one another and to earlier generations of Virginia Poythress lines. My great hope is that among us there is more we can say about the life and familial origins of these Mecklenburg and Brunswick families before they joined so many others in the great southern migration into the Carolinas, Georgia and the Mississippi Territory and beyond. I fear I’ve missing something others of you may have established about David’s parentage and his siblings/cousins, etc. I’m looking forward to pulling together a compilation of al the gaps we’re seeing to close. I’m interested in the history of the Poythress family in America from the arrival of Francis Poythress in 1632 to the mid-20th Century. As I suspect we all know, this is among the oldest family lines in America. The story of this family is very much a story of the emergence and establishment of this nation — important to study and understand beyond names on a family tree. Best, Al Tims | 10/02/17 8:20:42 |
| [POYTHRESS] Roll Call response: James Edward Poythress was Farthest Back Known Male | Poythress Surname Mailing List | The farthest-back KNOWN Poythress male in my line is James Edward Poythress, who was born 13 Aug 1803 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, and who died in Sumter County, Alabama. Working-hypothesis is that James Edward is one of the sons of Lewis Poythress, who was definitely a brother of George Poythress, per George's Will which was located in Jackson County, in the panhandle of Florida (which was then the Territory of Florida). George died sometime after signing his will 6 Apr 1829, and before it was presented in court on 19 July 1832. George named in the Will his son, John Carter Poythress, of Georgia. The pertinent part of the Will showing George and Lewis were brothers, came after George also named his daughter (in Georgia), Mary Elizabeth Mandell, saying: "... But if my said daughter depart this life without having a child or children living at her death then and in that case it is my will and desire that my said Estate real and personal after my daughter's death without children living go to and I do bequeath the same to such children of my Brother Lewis of the State of Virginia as may be living at the death of my Daughter. ..." I found it years ago when we were on a family history research trip to Jackson County and visiting cousins of my husband's father there. The Will was properly filed in the loose papers stored in the vault in the basement. The Court made photocopies for me, and I transcribed it in one or more emails to this List back then. Anyone responding to the Roll Call with info on her or his own Poythress ancestor should CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE, please, and DO NOT COPY this email at the bottom of your own. That way the various lines and ancestors can more easily be kept straight, both now and in decades to come. Thanks, Barbara | 10/02/17 12:38:01 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Roll Call -- Survey of Farthest Back Known Male in your Poythress line | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Same as Bruce Porter..... James R Poythress m Sarah "Sallie" Crowder I am also working on Hardyman/John/Odam/Winnifred/Anritta/Temperance Poythress. We have also confirmed that the Northampton County NC Poythress group is carrying the Bass Y DNA so we more than likely have an out of wedlock Poythress child carrying his mother's name. Not sure when this happened, if it was in VA or NC. Crystal 🙂 | 10/04/17 1:06:17 |
| [POYTHRESS] Northampton County NC Poythress James R Poythress | Poythress Surname Mailing List | I am rewriting this email because I didn't realize til after I sent the first that it was titled with BPN's ancestor. Bruce Porter and myself work on James R Poythress (b about 1785) md. Sarah "Sallie" Crowder (b. about 1790). They married 13 Jan 1827 in Northampton Co NC. My hypothesis is trying to prove the connection between James R. Poythress, Joseph Poythress of Northampton and Hardyman Poythress of the 3rd NC Regiment Rev War. I have found recently, the reason for the sheriff's sale of James and Joseph Poythress land as there was a judgement against them from Dr. Peterson of Northampton Co so that mystery is now solved. We have confirmed that our Y DNA is not that of Poythress which explains why we never matched any of the VA Poythress in the DNA study. It is the Bass Y DNA that we carry. We don't know when this occurred nor do we know whether it was in VA or NC but it is evident that there was a non parental event in which we carried the mother's name Poythress. Now on to figure out when, where and which one would be the most likely candidate. I am guessing it would have been in VA since we have John/Hardyman/Anritta/Odam/Temperance/Winnifred as being listed as FPC in Northampton Co and the boys served in the 3rd NC Regiment for the Rev War. Crystal 🙂 | 10/04/17 1:15:18 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Northampton County NC Poythress James R Poythress | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Crystal, Thank you — very helpful. To be clear, are you suggesting that the mother you reference was not from a Poythress line herself or simply that you can’t tell based on the Y DNA? Would you be willing to write up a study of James R Poythress and known lines for the Poythress website, even if there are some unknowns you’re still exploring? Early photographs would be great too. Al Tims | 10/04/17 6:07:26 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Northampton County NC Poythress James R Poythress | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Hi Al, I am suggesting that the mother is a Poythress hence the name being carried but there wasn't a marriage. But, with that being said, we can't prove that with the Y nor the autosomal. And because our line begins with James Poythress, an MTDNA will not work either. I am curious if Leah Dowd had done any work regarding this. I know she was researching Bass and Poythress. I will work on an article to post. It may take me a couple of weeks as I have a very busy schedule this month. I will also include some early photos. We have provided a few once before on the old website but I think they were lost. I will attach those here and will consult with family members to share another photo that we have which is our oldest Poythress photo. I am also including a photo of Frederick Elmo "Jack" Poythress. We had photos of his bible posted on the website. Crystal 🙂 | 10/05/17 2:03:19 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Northampton County NC Poythress James R Poythress | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Crystal, Thank you again. The Rootsweb mailing list does not transmit attachments, but you, and others with old photos, can transmit photos and other documents for inclusion on the website by sending an email with attachments to: webmaster@poythress.org I’ll post the photographs provided they come with detailed caption notes with identifying information and timeframe, etc. I hope you’ll be able to include something more about the Rev. War service you reference. For those unfamiliar with Native American tribal histories in the region (which probably includes most — including me) I wonder if this would be the best external link to share on the site: http://saponitown.com/ Best, Al Tims | 10/05/17 2:29:06 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Northampton County NC Poythress James R Poythress | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Al, I will get on that asap. The Saponitown website homepage would be good but I don't know if I want easy access to the forum as there is many undocumented half truths contributed by many folks across the country who had an oral history of "Blackfoot" Indian. If we are wanting to do a quick history of the tribes in the area, there is always the history page for the OBSN which is http://obsn.org/a-brief-history-of-the-occaneechi-band-of-the-saponi-nation/ or we can use the article that I wrote which specifies the Poythress name......http://www.saponitown.com/FortChristanna.htm Crystal 🙂 | 10/06/17 2:34:16 |
| [POYTHRESS] Update and Correction: Preliminary Study of Rev. O.D. Poythress | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Poythress List, My earlier note to the list proposed a preliminary hypothesis that a line of descent might connect OD Poythress to Meredith Poythress, and thus to other known branches of the family. Well, I was wrong. I asked Lyn Baird for a critique of the evidence and set out myself to try to reconcile some nagging doubts about the strength of the case. Lyn’s incisive, helpful input coincided with me starting to bark up another wrong tree. I practically convinced myself that the line ran from David and Sally Poythress of Mecklenburg and later Warrenton, NC. There is a GW Poythress child of David and Sally — just not the right one. The ages I was finding were pretty close but off enough to cause doubt. Bottom line is that I was again wrong again. Running out of suspects by this time. But I returned to something I noted in my first pass about an Elizabeth Poythress showing up in the household of Edward Poythress in one census and the as an adult (age 33) in the household of the GW Poythress. I should have know from the outset that Edward needed a deeper dive. Digging deeper and taking a closer look at the records for spouses and siblings it became evident that the case is much better for a line of descent from Edward and Mahala (Nance) Poythress. But I’ve been wrong before;) The record even includes a little mind twister — my tease to encourage you to take a look;) I still consider this a preliminary study and certainly not yet up to the standards of a thorough family study, but it does, I think, give us a bit more to go on in sorting through the Poythress families that settled in North Carolina during the late 18th and 19th centuries. I’d like to be able to remove the preliminary off this post, so please let me know if I’ve gone astray once again. http://poythress.org/family-studies/preliminary-poythress-lineage-of-rev-o-d-poythress/ Best, Al Tims | 10/06/17 8:02:57 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Northampton County NC Poythress James R Poythress | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Crystal & BPN, I was going through my "stuff" and had known previously that there were some 1st cousin marriages in the Northampton group. One specific is my husbands line, Charles Lee Porter 1950 from Robert B Porter 1920, from Clanner M Poythress 1900, from Charles Lee Poythress 1869 son Richard P Poythress 1846 who was son of James R & Sarah. Charles Lee married (if the records are correct) his 1st cousin Renie (Mariah) Poythress daughter of Lovel son of James. Not to mention that most of them married Turners who were sisters so the cousins were twice cousins I think. Richard & Lovel were brothers. So maybe not an unmarried Poythess but a Poythress to Poythress marriage. I have the basic DNA kit for my husband just for the Ethnicity test just have not done it yet. I also seem to see some Bass and Turner connections as well. Bruce Porter bbmp1984@verizon.net | 10/06/17 12:44:15 |
| [POYTHRESS] Estate of David Poythress of Warren, North Carolina | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Poythress List, I know several of us trace back to David Poythress of Mecklenburg County, VA and Warren County, Virginia. A study of David and Lewis Poythress documents was compiled several years ago by Barbara Wolfe and long posted on the website. But it did not include any reference to his estate records. I just updated that study with image scans of the settlement of David’s estate which were administered by his youngest son, Charles David Poythress in 1876-77. The PDF of the estate document is near the bottom of the David Poythress timeline. I find it interesting that we see a reference to the cost of relocating Mrs. Poythress to ? — I think Meridian, but I’m far from certain. Perhaps one of us knows where she went or can decipher the script. There are several interesting mentions — including a sum paid to the Hawkins Plantation. http://wp.me/P3YRD3-dg | 10/08/17 11:40:23 |
| [POYTHRESS] Fwd: Estate of David Poythress of Warren, North Carolina | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Hi All, Tim I cannot make out the word either on the side of the cost to move the Widow Sallie Poythress but when I did the Census Project years ago in the 1880 Warren County, NC Census she is living in the home of her Daughter-in Law India Poythress.This would have been at most 3 or 4 years after David died. Our descendant James Speed Poythress son of David Poythress had not left Sumter Alabama for Meridian, Ms as they are in the 1880 Sumter, AL census. I believe that the G.W. Poythress mentioned in the Estate went by the name William. He is listed as G.W. in his father's household however, in the 1880 Warren County, NC his is living in the household of his Brother-in-law N.D. Vaughn and his sister Mary A. Poythress Vaughn and is listed as William. He is one that I want to find more information about. Take care, Elaine Poythress Criddle Poythress List, I know several of us trace back to David Poythress of Mecklenburg County, VA and Warren County, Virginia. A study of David and Lewis Poythress documents was compiled several years ago by Barbara Wolfe and long posted on the website. But it did not include any reference to his estate records. I just updated that study with image scans of the settlement of David’s estate which were administered by his youngest son, Charles David Poythress in 1876-77. The PDF of the estate document is near the bottom of the David Poythress timeline. I find it interesting that we see a reference to the cost of relocating Mrs. Poythress to ? — I think Meridian, but I’m far from certain. Perhaps one of us knows where she went or can decipher the script. There are several interesting mentions — including a sum paid to the Hawkins Plantation. | 10/10/17 3:40:51 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Estate of David Poythress of Warren, North Carolina | Poythress Surname Mailing List | List, First, I’m sure you noticed that Elaine’s message opened with gibberish-looking code at the top. Sometimes the Rootsweb mailing list doesn’t do a proper job of scrubbing HTML code. Nothing I can do about it until the list has a better way of handling rich text/html. Many of the list owners like the plain text since it does not allow malicious code to slip into messages. And as we know, the lists don’t accept attachments. Back on topic — Barbara Poythress Wolfe responded to me about another issue off-list and shared information related to my query about where Mrs. David Poythress was moved after his passing. Below is her account. I’ve appended this to page on the Study of Lewis and David Poythress on the website — along with the estate documents. http://poythress.org/family-studies/study-of-lewis-david-poythress-virginia/ Charles David lived and worked in the vicinity of Middleburg, Manson and Ridgeway, Warren County, North Carolina. I am inclined to think his mother was removed to Manson, per the notation in the inventory of David's estate expenses [Cost of Moving Mrs. D Poythress to Manson | $15.00 When Charles David Poythress died in 1892 he was interred at the old family homestead near Middleburg. At some point his widow moved to Henderson and had his remains brought there. David is buried in the Poythress plot in Elmwood Cemetery in Henderson, NC with Charles David and his family. His monument reads “Jan. 26, 1800, Sep 26,1876, Gone But Not Forgotten, David Poythress”. Whereabouts of his two wives are unknown. These towns are all within short distances of each other in Warren County. Al Tims | 10/10/17 4:36:08 |
| [POYTHRESS] Transcription David Poythress Freedmen Contract 1867 | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Poythress List, Elaine Poythress Criddle alerted me to a historically informative document about David Poythress located on the FamilySearch site. Thank you Elaine! The document is a 1867 contract executed by the Freedmen’s Bureau between David Poythress and freed former slaves for employment on his rented plantation in Warren County, North Carolina. I have attempted a full transcription of the document and have assembled the links to the source document and a full description of the records collection in National Archives. Please let me know if corrections to the transcription are in order. I have tried to include as much of the original format and markings as possible. You’ll find this new addition to our website by following this link: http://wp.me/P3YRD3-qm By the way, for the historians on the list, I’ve added a new post highlighting a 1774 document signed by Peter Poythress as a member of the Late House of Burgesses calling for what would be one of the earliest call for a Continental Congress. I’ve also recently added a wonderful family photo of Carrie (nee Shephard) Poythress circa 1899 with her two first born children. The family image gallery now comes up on the home page - a click on any image will open the gallery with annotations. I encourage those of you with similar old family group photos to consider helping us grow this collection. Al Tims | 10/11/17 9:30:54 |
| [POYTHRESS] Fwd: Charles Poythress question re Poy-list archived emails | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Poythress List, Below is a query from a non-member of the list. I told her that I’d forward this to the group — hopefully someone in the community can provide helpful information. I am directing her to the older posts on the list to help get things started… Al Tims | 10/11/17 9:35:57 |
| [POYTHRESS] David Poythress - Weldon Edwards' Plantation | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Poythress List, In my recent post I mentioned the transcription of a contract executed in 1866-7 by the Freedmen’s Bureau in North Carolina between David Poythress and several freed persons of color to work as laborers on the plantation he was renting from a W.N. Edwards. http://poythress.org/family-studies/study-of-lewis-david-poythress-virginia/david-poythress-1867-freedmen-agreement/ We already knew from census records that David was located in the Smith Creek district of Warren County (Manson area) and that in the settlement of his estate a sum of $125 was paid to M.J. (Marmaduke James) Hawkins - Hawkins Plantation in the mid-1870s. M.J. Hawkins was living near Manson in the 1870 census. His father was Dr. William J, Hawkins (https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=41451836 The Hawkins family were very large land owners and prominent in other respects for generations — family papers are in the archives of the University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill. Below is a link to the preservation of one of the old family homes near Manson - probably known to David and Sally and their children. http://www.warrenrecord.com/arts_entertainment/article_0a872104-2d7a-11e6-80e9-27123fd281d1.html After seeing the mention of W.N. Edwards as the owner of the plantation David Poythress was renting in 1866 I starting looking to see who Edwards might be. I very quickly learned that he was Weldon N. Edwards. His plantation (Poplar Mount) matches the area where David is shown residing in the census records - just north and a bit west of Manson - on both sides of I-85. There is a Poplar Mount Road where the remains of a small private Edwards cemetery still can be identified but seems to be in a small grove of trees not from the road unmarked, unfenced on private property. See: http://cemeterycensus.com/nc/warr/cem080.htm The link below adds another confirming clue about the link between Edwards and Hawkins families — we see a photo of Mr. Edwards with his wife’s great nephew on his lap — Marmaduke Hawkins. This establishes pretty clearly that Edwards and Hawkins have family ties. W.N. Edwards died in 1873 at an advanced age, so it is possible that the property David was renting was inherited by M.J. Hawkins and that David was still living on the property he was shown as renting from Edwards in 1866 when he passed away in 1876. Since the papers of both the Edwards and the Hawkins families are in archives; (Edwards mostly at Duke; Hawkins mostly at UNC) we may be able to learn quite a bit more about their plantation affairs and, possibly, any roles David Poythress played as an overseer. Mr. Weldon N. Edwards was quite prominent and politically influential in North Carolina in the first half of the 19th century. https://www.ncpedia.org/biography/edwards-weldon-nathaniel https://www.ncdcr.gov/blog/2014/01/25/secession-leader-weldon-edwards http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/guidedisplay.pl?index=E000083 Before Elaine alerted me to the Freedmen’s contract I had been going over the census records to learn more about who might have lived near David Poythress when he was in Mecklenburg County. We know he worked as an overseer and based on census records and a published family history of his neighbor, I believe he lived at Lombardy Grove (south of South Hill) — right next door to the Charles Baskerville. (The Library of Virginia has survey notes about Lombardy Hill and even a few photographs of remaining structures taken in the 1930s). This neighbor, Charles Baskerville, was a young but wealthy merchant in his own right and grandson of a prominent Mecklenburg plantation owner, William Baskerville (https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=103608277 This is all very fresh and preliminary, but digging a little deeper into the Baskerville family I found William Baskerville as a partner with merchant Alexander Boyd (Boydton is named after him). So what? Well, when Alexander Boyd went back to Scotland for several years he turned over his business to a Joseph Speed to run. This could be important if he connects in any way to his first wife, Mary Speed Dortch — not sure yet. What I know to be important is that Alexander Boyd’s daughter, Jane, married John Hawkins of Warren Co., NC. (Recall the tidbit above);). This is the Hawkins family we see connecting to David Poythress and W.N. Edwards. It seems clear that the Boyd family connects to the Baskerville, Hawkins and Edwards families. I’d welcome hearing from others more familiar with these family lines and the region. I need to get all this documented into a working study of the relationships and look further to see if there might be links that could lead to other Poythress. Obviously, this doesn’t add anything to the family tree yet, but it might eventually help us get a better sense of the relationships David had with the most prominent families in the region and eventually to allied family ties that could suggest his ancestry. Maybe;). By the way, I think we may see David’s own signature on the Freedmen contract — no X and the signature is distinct from the scribe who wrote the contract. If so, then he might have had the benefit of some formal education. As far as I know, there is no oral history from James Speed Poythress or other of his children about the life and times of this David Poythress. Al Tims | 10/12/17 10:35:36 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 12, Issue 52 | Poythress Surname Mailing List | The furthest back I can actually document is Sarah Poythress married to William Archer Dortch. This Sarah lived from 6 Jan 1816 to 12 Dec 1853. We believe that this Sarah was the daughter of Lewis Poythress & Rebecca Taylor, but I haven't been able to find paper proof for that yet. I am related to Rebecca Taylor through the Dortch's though. William Dortch who was married to Sarah Poythress, was the son of Newman Dortch & Sarah Speed. Thank you also for the update on Mary Speed Dortch & David Poythress wit that moving-estate notation. Julie Cabitto | 10/13/17 8:36:46 |
| [POYTHRESS] Barbara traveling no internet until Thanksgiving | Poythress Surname Mailing List | fyi Barbara | 10/14/17 3:58:36 |
| [POYTHRESS] John "Pappy" Poythress John "Pappy" Poythress January 22, 1923 - October 11, 2017 | Poythress Surname Mailing List | http://www.stricklandandsonsfuneralhome.com/?action=obituaries.obit_view&o_id=4407809&fh_id=11070 | 10/14/17 8:27:43 |
| [POYTHRESS] Craig Scott -- Expert Genealogist (Contributor to the Poythress Research) -- Offering Free Webinar on Finding North Carolina Revolutionary War Ancestors | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Poythress List, Barbara Poythress Neal alerted me to a special opportunity for the public to watch/listen to a free encore webinar presentation by Craig R. Scott, (has a Poythress family connection and has been a generous contributor to this list over the years) focused on finding North Carolina Revolutionary War Ancestors. Many of us may have interests related both to our Poythress lines and allied families. The flier detailing the opportunity is shared on the Poythress site at: http://poythress.org/2017/11/26/free-to-all-recorded-webinar-viewing-starts-with-craig-r-scott-finding-a-north-carolina-revolutionary-war-ancestor/ Craig “has been a professional genealogical and historical researcher for more than thirty years who specializes in the records of the National Archives. He is a member of the Company of Military Historians, is on the editorial board of the National Genealogical Society Quarterly, and is a Director of the Association of Professional Genealogists. He has authored seventeen books and several articles in the National Genealogical Society Quarterly, Family Chronicle, and other genealogical publications. He is the President and CEO of Heritage Books, Inc., a genealogical publishing firm with over 5,300 titles in print.” (Free Webinar Flier). You can go directly to www.ncgenealogy.com Best, Al | 11/26/17 4:31:25 |
| [POYTHRESS] Updates to Study of Lewis, David and Charles Poythress -- VA and NC | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Poythress List, Barbara Poythress Wolfe has provided addition information to her study of Lewis, David and Charles. We still do not have solid proof that Lewis was David’s father, but the family ties are unmistakable. http://poythress.org/family-studies/study-of-lewis-david-poythress-virginia/ Also, a quick reminder about the free webinar available to the public offered by Craig Scott for the North Carolina Genealogical Society — Dec 1 - 3 only. http://poythress.org/2017/11/26/free-to-all-recorded-webinar-viewing-starts-with-craig-r-scott-finding-a-north-carolina-revolutionary-war-ancestor/ Best, Al | 12/02/17 5:27:32 |
| [POYTHRESS] Library of Virginia Establishes John Maynard Poythress Genealogical Research Collection | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Poythress List, We recently learned wonderful news that with the cooperation of Maynard’s family the Library of Virginia established the John Maynard Poythress Genealogical Research Collection. You will find a beautiful certificate and description of the collection posted on our website here: http://poythress.org/2017/12/20/library-of-virginia-establishes-john-maynard-poythress-genealogical-research-collection/ We owe Barbara Poythress Neal a debt of gratitude for planting the idea that the LVA might be interested preserving and sharing Maynard’s decades of Poythress family research. This collection will be a treasure for generations to come and a wonderful family legacy. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, Al Tims ps — We’d really like to add more old family photos, especially those dating from the19th century and first half of the 20th century. | 12/20/17 9:50:32 |
| Re: [POYTHRESS] Library of Virginia Establishes John Maynard Poythress Genealogical Research Collection | Poythress Surname Mailing List | A treasure indeed from a most dedicated and admirable gentleman who led the way in the beginning of this Poythress endeavor, first by snail mail and then online. A very special thank you to Leigh and DeWayne for making this possible and to Barbara and Al for your diligence. Merry Christmas! Barbara Wolfe | 12/22/17 11:47:54 |
| [POYTHRESS] Upcoming Free Webinar on Finding Early North Carolina Vital Records | Poythress Surname Mailing List | Poythress List, Once again the North Carolina Genealogical Society is offering free public access to one of their webinars normally available only to members. This webinar is titled “Pre-1913 Vital Records - Challenging and Elusive and Not Necessarily Impossible to Find” It will be available to the public February 2nd through 4th, 2018 (12 am Friday to 12 pm Sunday, EST). Mark your calendars! You can find out more about the webinar by visiting this link: https://www.ncgenealogy.org/event/recorded-webinar-encore-pre-1913-vital-records-diane-l-richard/ I’ve also posted information to our website: https://wp.me/p3YRD3-rx Best, Al Tims | 01/17/18 11:39:17 |
| [POYTHRESS] Kim Poythress obit | Poythress Surname Mailing List | http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/kimberly-shaw-poythress-obituary?pid=1000000187859389 | 01/18/18 1:23:03 |
| [POYTHRESS] Free Webinar: Orphans and Scholars: Genealogical Records concerning Children | Albert Tims | Poythress List, The North Carolina Genealogical Society presents: Victor T. Jones Jr. “Orphans and Scholars: Genealogical Records concerning Children” For more information and to view the webinar, go to www.ncgenealogy.org Victor discusses four major categories of North Carolina records that focus on children: apprenticeships, guardianships, school records, and bastardy records. Webinar Viewing Options • The free public three-day viewing of this recorded webinar will be 6–8 April 2018. • After the free replay weekend, the webinar and accompanying handout PDF will be accessible on the website to NCGS members as a member benefit.* About the Speaker: Victor T. Jones Jr. began working at the New Bern- Craven County Public Library in December 1992 and was hired as their first full-time Local History and Genealogy Librarian in September 1993. He holds a Bachelor of Arts degree in history from Mount Olive College and a Master of Library Science degree from East Carolina State University. Victor has self-published genealogies on the Toler Family (1992) and the Whitford family (2001). He has authored many articles that have been published in the Encyclopedia of North Carolina (edited by William Powell), the New Bern Historical Society Journal, the North Carolina Genealogical Society Journal, North Carolina Libraries, and the Pitt County Genealogical Quarterly. He is the current editor of Pamteco Tracings, the journal of the Beaufort County Genealogical Society. Victor is also a past president of the North Carolina Genealogical Society. *Not an NCGS member? Join today by visiting the Membership tab on the NCGS website. Watch the NCGS News newsletter and the NCGS website for the current webinar schedule. North Carolina Genealogical Society, 6300 Creedmoor Road, Suite 170 #323, Raleigh, NC 27612 www.ncgenealogy.org | 04/03/18 12:25:38 |
| [POYTHRESS] (no subject) | Judy scruggs | Hiya Poythress https://goo.gl/qEjuFN Judy | 04/15/18 10:15:26 |
| [POYTHRESS] Joshua Wall, son of Henry Wall, 1690, Prince George Co Va and connection to John Wall of Charles City Co, Va and Elizabeth Clay. | Bill Wall | I just met a verified DNA connected cousin from the Joshua Wall, son of Henry Wall of abt 1690 , line. (Clay )Wall of western Tenn. Lou Poole had speculated that Henry Wall of PG , Va. 1690 was connected to John Wall that married Elizabeth Frome Clay, the widow of John Clay. Elizabeth had a son from first marriage, Charles Clay that John Wall adopted. Because the courthouse records were destroyed there is no proof of this connection, John to Henry. But after looking at the line of Joshua Wall, one of 4 sons of Henry Wall, knowing I have verified documentation of my DNA ties to Henry Wall and now to Joshua Wall . What I saw were many males in Clay Wall’s line are named Henry, Clay and even one grand father named Henry Clay! I can’t prove a thing, but it’s mighty suspicious and makes me more sure than ever that Lou was correct. There is a tie between John Wall, arr 1627 Charles City and Henry Wall of Prince George Co Va. Keep in mind, PG County was originally in Charles City first recorded land transaction 1690. Can you give me any info to back up or shoot down? Thanks, Bill Wall | 04/29/18 1:39:24 |
| [POYTHRESS] Allied Wall Family Study -- Added to Poythress website | Albert Tims | Poythress List, A few years back Lou Poole submitted a detailed family study of the Wall family that intersected with the Virginia Poythress family. This file was not included in the Family Studies section of the revised Poythress website. That was my error. Barbara Poythress alerted me to the omission, perhaps triggered by the recent query about the Wall family. This is a summary from Lou that accompanied his submission of the file to the old Poythress website: > The key information as far as the Poythress proof is concerned is found near the end of this “chapter.” I was able to trace Col. John Wall, and his son John Wall Jr. from Brunswick County, VA to Craven County, SC. And it is in Craven County that we find the proof that John Wall Jr. (m. Ann Poythress) had three children – who were William, John, and Nancy. It is also in Craven County that I find close associations with some other families that later settled in Richmond Co., NC. > > > > I think Ann (Poythress) Wall died about 1750, soon after the birth of her daughter Nancy. The three Wall siblings, sons and daughter of John Wall Jr. and Ann Poythress, had moved across the state line to what was to become Richmond County by about 1770. John Wall, one of the siblings, married twice, both times into families closely tied with the Covington family of Richmond County. He had a daughter who married General Benjamin H. Covington. His youngest son, Mial Wall, married Mary Covington, daughter of William Wall Covington, son of John Covington and Nancy Wall. Another of the siblings, William, was also closely associated with the same group of Richmond County families who were tied by marriage with the Covington family. And Nancy Wall, the third sibling, married John Covington as his second wife. It is from these ties that the names “Wall” and “Poythress” suddenly and frequently appeared within the Covington family as middle names. > > > > There’s an awful lot of information in this file – much of it having to do with trying to debunk noise that one will find on the Internet and in second-source publications. And it took a lot of beating the bushes, and circling the wagons, to finally figure out exactly how to connect the Wall family of VA with John, William and Nancy Wall of Richmond County, NC. It’s still largely circumstantial evidence, but very solid and convincing in my opinion. But there is still no actual hard proof of those connections. > > > > Lou Poole Below is a direct link to the file: http://poythress.org/family-studies/allied-wall-family-updated-by-lou-poole/ This chapter is a great read — well worth your attention. Best, Al Tims | 05/05/18 8:51:38 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Joshua Wall, son of Henry Wall, 1690, Prince George Co Va and connection to John Wall of Charles City Co, Va and Elizabeth Clay. | Barbara Neal | Hi Bill Wall - I've been traveling & just saw your posting (below) from April 30th. I'm sorry to not see any response, yet from Lou Poole, who you mention. That prompts me to wonder whether Lou -- likely -- is just not currently a subscriber to our Poythress-List, or if he is but he's just been unable to respond for some reason. And that prompts me to ask, Bill, if you know Lou in person? (I realize that with both of you being WALLs you could be an immediate family member of Lou's, or alternatively you may not personally know one another.) I also wonder -- if you know -- Lou's compilation/update date of his info that you've consulted, for framing your posting? By the way, I'll call to the attention of anyone reading this message, that at the bottom of your April 30th posted message, Bill (& presumably it will be added to this message of mine, too) I see that rootsweb has now added some (different from their earlier) links, one of which points to the newly rebuilt Archives of old emails at rootsweb, which link includes the word "hyperkitty" -- I'm glad to see that since I had recently been frustrated trying to reach the old rootsweb archives of our Poythress list emails. Thanks, Barbara | 05/05/18 12:11:54 |
| [POYTHRESS] Alert for all DNA searchers who've used Ysearch - it closes down 5.24.18 | Barbara Neal | Hi all - Barbara here, reporting for the benefit of any of you who have thru the years explored Poythress / Poytress (or other surnames) at the Y-DNA comparison-website, Ysearch.org -- which has been operated for free for a number of years by FamilyTreeDNA: be aware that the Ysearch site will close down on May 24, 2018. Two alerts about it are copied & pasted below. FamilySearchDNA's email of last night said: On May 24th, 2018, our free, public genetic-genealogy databases, ysearch.org and mitosearch.org will no longer be accessible as a result of the EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) going into effect on May 25th. As the founders of the direct-to-consumer genetic genealogy industry, we did not make this decision lightly. We believe it is necessary given the resources it would take to make both sites GDPR compliant. The current environment regarding DNA privacy as well as recent events in the news, particularly DNA databases being utilized to solve cold cases, were also considerations, but the rigorous requirements of GDPR would have prompted this action irrespective of current events. User privacy policies across all of the major consumer genetic-genealogy service providers have become a topic of national conversation, and it is our goal to ensure that our privacy policies continue to meet or exceed industry norms. We encourage you to continue your journey of discovery with us on FamilyTreeDNA and we thank you for your participation in “citizen science” over the years. Sincerely, FamilyTreeDNA [And, when going to the Ysearch website currently, it is still fully functional, however its homepage has this alert message:] On May 24th, 2018, ysearch, our free, public genetic-genealogy database, will no longer be accessible as a result of the EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) going into effect on May 25th. As the founders of the direct-to-consumer genetic genealogy industry, we did not make this decision lightly. We believe it is necessary given the resources it would take to make both sites GDPR compliant. The current environment regarding DNA privacy as well as recent events in the news, particularly DNA databases being utilized to solve cold cases, were also considerations, but the rigorous requirements of GDPR would have prompted this action irrespective of current events. User privacy policies across all of the major consumer genetic-genealogy service providers have become a topic of national conversation, and it is our goal to ensure that our privacy policies continue to meet or exceed industry norms. We encourage you to continue your journey of discovery with us on FamilyTreeDNA.com, and we thank you for your participation in "citizen science" over the years. | 05/19/18 8:05:12 |
| [POYTHRESS] NCGS public free webinar: NC Courts part 1, July 6-8 Friday thru Sunday | Barbara Neal | The North Carolina Genealogical Society presents: Judy G. Russell, JD, CG, CGL “Courting North Carolina: The Courts of the Tarheel State - Part 1” Free public 3-day presentation of the recorded webinar: 6-8 July 2018 (12 a.m. Friday to midnight Sunday, EDT). Register for the free webinar, at www.ncgenealogy.org After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information about joining the webinar. About the Webinar: Our North Carolina ancestors left a treasure trove of records in the courts of their time. Finding the right court and the right records can be a challenge, yet understanding the records of the courts closest to the average citizen is a skill that’s crucial to finding clues to family history in the Tarheel State. In part 1 (presented live January 2018), will examine colonial and early statehood records, and in part 2 (to be presented live September 2018) will cover post-1868 state records and the records of North Carolina’s federal courts. About the Speaker: The Legal Genealogist Judy G. Russell is a genealogist with a law degree who writes and lectures on topics ranging from using court records in family history to understanding DNA testing. She is on the faculty of the Institute of Genealogy and Historical Research (IGHR), the Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy (SLIG), the Genealogical Research Institute of Pittsburgh (GRIP), the Midwest African American Genealogy Institute (MAAGI), and the Genealogical Institute of Federal Records. Judy is a member of the Board of Trustees of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, from which she holds credentials as a Certified Genealogist® and Certified Genealogical Lecturer℠. Her award-winning blog is at https://www.legalgenealogist.com. | 06/19/18 9:21:01 |
| [POYTHRESS] Photo of Poythress Family gathering circa 1940 in Meridian, Mississippi | Albert Tims | Poythress Researchers, I’m pleased to share that we have another wonderful family group photo to share with you. We have a 1940 photo of James David and Carrie Price Shephard Poythress and family taken in Meridian, Mississippi. I am fairly confident the photo was taken in the spring or summer of 1940 since my Aunt Dorothy (#4 in numbered version) is pregnant in the photo - her son Clifton, Jr. (Buddy) was born September 15th, 1940. And I believe it was taken in front of the South Side Elementary School across the street from the C Street home of Carrie and David Poythress. There are 34 family members in this photograph — many are children and grandchildren of Carrie and David Poythress. Earl Poythress provided a key so we have a second version of the photo with each person captioned with a number. Below is a short link directly to this new resource page on the Poythress.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wp.me_P3YRD3-2Dsc&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=fgqZstjyPkUg9PfXgCpHSGAoD2qChW2iwfvN-fUKu78&m=HbwwLIrET5J7bQDiYyVWyz7W-7u893u4nHhZmXGxwOM&s=7LqqbVrQCchR-E4TCS2ge6GdHN1jApt-jFYmvf9M5KA&e= A couple of things: 1. If you click on the images you should see a large full resolution version you can easily download for your own uses. 2. It would be wonderful to hear from those of you with additional information about this gathering. 3. I would be very pleased to post additional family photos to the website, so please do not hesitate to contact me directly — we can clean up many torn or faded photos. 4. I am trying to address broken link issues on the website. Over the years of submissions we’ve had researchers share links and, unsurprisingly, things change. So, if you encounter a broken link on any of the pages I hope you’ll take a moment to drop me a note about the issue. Best, Al | 09/12/18 10:01:59 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Photo of Poythress Family gathering circa 1940 in Meridian, Mississippi | Barbara Neal | Wow, Al & Earl, what a treasure of a photo from 1940 this is that Earl has shared. And Al, how great that you can supply the timing, thanks to knowing when your Aunt Dorothy (#4 in the photo) was pregnant with her son born in mid-September 1940. All these McCraw, Speed, Shamburger, Trest, and Poythress folk have long been just names to me (not of the James Speed Poythress direct line of descent), so I particularly welcome seeing faces for them. A number of James Speed Poythress line folk have periodically thru the decades followed our Poythress email list and checked in with the Poythress research website. I'm sure those folk will be tickled to see such a sharp photo -- When I enlarged it on my screen I was amazed at how sharp it is. Thanks again, Earl & Al, for sharing this and for posting such a great photo with identification-key. Barbara | 09/12/18 12:03:48 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Photo of Poythress Family gathering circa 1940 in Meridian, Mississippi | Albert Tims | I agree — I am thrilled to have this family photograph. It is, as you say, a treasure, especially for the James Speed Poythress branches — I hope seeing it will encourage more sharing;) Another photo I was able to restore well is one of Carrie Poythress with her daughters Willie Mae and Grace Pearl — circa 1899. The original had a large ragged tear across the middle and lots of dirt and scratches — not surprising after nearly 120 years. Al | 09/12/18 12:45:45 |
| [POYTHRESS] Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 | Lyn Baird | Recently I rediscovered a file of historical records that I had received many years ago. It is a transcription of membership and baptism records of Methodist “classes” on the “Mecklenburg Circuit” of the Virginia Methodist Conference, touching from the 1830’s into the 1870’s. In these records I find some Poythress relations, and it appears these records have not been brought up on our list before, so I will share what I have found. Since I have not contributed to the list for many years, I will reintroduce myself. I am Lynwood Poythress Baird, and I go by Lyn. My Poythress progenitor is Lewis Poythress (ca 1765 Dinwiddie Co, Va – ca 1846 Mecklenburg Co, Va). My line from Lewis is as follows: Lewis Poythress > Thomas M. Poythress > James David Poythress > Leonard Talmadge Poythress > Beatrice Poythress Baird > me. I grew up in the Mecklenburg-Brunswick area of Virginia, close to where all my Poythress line lived. I was a member of the list from around 1997 until several years back, and just recently joined again. This transcription has thousands of membership and baptismal entries – with numerous glosses on marriages, deaths and so forth – contained in a Microsoft Excel workbook. I do not have access to the original records, and do not know where they are. Julie Cabitto, another member of this list, received this workbook in February 2007, and shared it with me and other researchers in October 2008. As Julie explained in 2008, “/This is from Frances Clark, with the Southside Historical Society [Virginia]…There was a lady that brought this to Frances. The lady was a descendant of a Methodist Minister who kept all these records. She turned over the original book to a museum in I think Lexington. But before the lady did, she transcribed the whole book. I asked Frances recently and she couldn't remember for sure the lady's name or the museum's name where the original book is held./” Just a few weeks back Julie provided me this update: “/Way back then, I had several talks with Frances Clark. She told me a lady had just talked to her about Methodist records, an ancestor was the record keeper. At the time Frances was Pres of Gen[ealogical] society when they had one. The book was being donated to a library in Lynchburg. But before she donated it, she made this Excel file & gave it to Frances since she was the leader./” Having now worked with this transcription, I am very interested to get access to the original records, or at least to know there whereabouts. Thinking perhaps the “library in Lynchburg” might be Jones Memorial Library (https://www.jmlibrary.org/), I reached out to them last week, but after much patient searching, the reference librarian was unable to locate any possibilities in their collection. I have not made further attempts to locate the original. I can only hope it is in good hands for posterity. Perhaps others on the list will have some demystifying information to share. Since I do not have access to the original records, I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the transcription. However, the materials appear authentic to me. Also, there is of course a question of the accuracy of the original records. I find what appear to be minor discrepancies that one might expect in records such as these, kept in the manner I expect they were kept. Of note, I find cases of repeated entries for who appears to me to be a single person, in which there are variations in the name, in particular with the middle initial. Again, I do not find this surprising, but because of this, I am tending to overlook differences in middle initials in my proposed identification of people. Enough for now. I will try in another message to share some general information about Methodism in Southside Virginia, and the Mecklenburg Circuit in the nineteenth century. From there I hope to get into the Poythress relations. Meanwhile, comments on what I have shared so far will be very welcomed. --Lyn | 02/10/19 7:31:10 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 | Albert Tims | Lyn, I can't tell you how wonderful it is to see this post and to have you re-join the list. The list has been pretty quiet in recent times -- likely missing the infusions of new insights from longtime contributors such as yourself. Thank you. If you have an opportunity, I urge you to visit the Poythress.net site and take a look at the posting captioned "Reverend Francis Poythress — Family Ties — Closing in?" You'll find it still on the home page (right side under the latest additions column). I have not gone any deeper but did find that many of the Methodist records are housed Pace University in New Jersey. I will not have access to my records for a few weeks, unfortunately. There is an earlier post on the site titled: Notes on Study of 18th Century Methodist Pioneer – Rev. Francis Poythress and one titled: New: Description of Francis Poythress in 1788 – Pioneer of Methodism in Kentucky all of these are document posts -- you can search by keywords now or go the archives link. At the moment these are mostly reference sources -- no major conclusions so far, but the link to Devereux seems promising, as does the link Poythress - Pryor connections and the founding of a Methodist school in Kentucky. Lyn, you're the right person to connect the dots;) . I hope others may join in the search and review of the primary documents. Best, Al Tims | 02/11/19 5:33:10 |
| [POYTHRESS] Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 2) | Lyn Baird | This is the second post about a transcription of membership and baptism records of Methodist “classes” on the “Mecklenburg Circuit” of the Virginia Methodist Conference, touching from the 1830’s into the 1870’s. Southside Virginia was a pioneering area for American Methodism.Randolph-Macon College, a historically Methodist school, was established at Boydton, Mecklenburg County, in 1830.Mid-nineteenth century Methodist circuits in southside Virginia consisted of many congregations, variously termed “churches” and “classes.”Each was typically served by one itinerant clergyman, assisted by lay preachers. Composition of the Mecklenburg Circuit varied over the years.In this transcription of I find mention of as many as 35 distinct congregations.My research indicates that most, 21, were in *Mecklenburg* County, of which 13 are /historical/, that is, are no longer active Methodist congregations.These 21 of Mecklenburg County, with historical ones shown in /italics/, are as follows:Boydton, /Canaan/, /College Station/ (likely Randolph-Macon College), /Concord/ (shared with Baptists and Presbyterians), Easters, /El Bethel/, Ephesus, /Gilgal/, Kingswood (also Kings Wood, formerly Calvary), /Lombardy Grove/, /Old Bethel/, “/Old Church/” (shared with Episcopalians), Providence, Rehoboth, /Ridge Grove/, /Salem/, Sardis, /South Hill/ (also Southhill), /St. James/ (acquired from Episcopalians), /Taylors/, and Zion.Five of the 35 were in southwestern *Brunswick* County, as follows:Bethany, Pleasant Grove, Prospect, Rock, and /Tabernacle/.One of the 35, Antioch, was and is in southern *Lunenburg* County, and one, Hebron, was and is in southeastern *Charlotte* County.My research finds no information on seven of the 35, as follows:/Centenary Chapel/, /Davis/ (also Davises), /High Grove/, /Lion/, /Oak Grove/, /Sharon/, and /Spring Hill/.Of the 28 having a known location, 26 were located between Meherrin River to the north and Roanoke River to the south.The other two, Antioch and Pleasant Grove, were located north of the Meherrin. I have been personally familiar with many of these congregations, having grown up along the Mecklenburg-Brunswick border, and being raised Methodist.At different times in my father’s childhood, he and his family attended Sardis, Kingswood and Canaan.My dad, though not a pastor, was a designated lay speaker, and I sometimes went along when he “filled a pulpit.”For this and other reasons – weddings, funerals, revivals, homecomings, fifth Sunday sings – I have visited at least Bethany, /Canaan/, Kingswood, Pleasant Grove, Prospect, Providence, Rehoboth, Rock, Sardis and /Tabernacle/, that I recall. The Poythress relations I have so far identified in these records are found in three congregations – Sardis, Rehoboth and Zion – all in eastern Mecklenburg County, and all still actively gathered: * Sardis meets at 3152 Marengo Road, La Crosse, VA 23950. * Rehoboth meets at 1919 Blackridge Road, La Crosse, about 5 miles southeast of Sardis. * Zion meets at 3055 Busy Bee Road, South Hill, VA23970, about 12 miles west-northwest of Sardis. I hope this provides useful background.I expect in a next message to start sharing the Poythress relations I have found, starting with those in Sardis congregation.Meanwhile, comments on what I have shared so far will be very welcomed. --Lyn | 02/11/19 6:17:59 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: With thanks to Lyn & a suggestion for Webmaster Al [was Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 2)] | Albert Tims | Barbara, Yes, when I get back I'll see what I can learn about records at Randolph-Macon. Lyn's new information might well connect with what the earlier records about Rev. Poythress and his role in the founding of the Methodist Church in America, but as a circuit-rider and as an influential contemporary of Bishop Asbury. I previously purchased "Randolph Macon College in the Early Years: Making Preachers, Teachers and Confederate Officers, 1830–1868" but did not find any direct clues related to Poythress. Then again, allied families may hold promise. The book should provide some useful clues about source materials, etc. Best, Al | 02/12/19 2:04:10 |
| [POYTHRESS] With thanks to Lyn & a suggestion for Webmaster Al [was Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 2)] | Barbara Neal | Lyn, thank you SO much for your "part 2" excellent further background to help all of us "place" the coming information of Poythress folk whose names you find in the historical record. I look forward to more. I also wonder whether Randolph-Macon College might have any complementary info -- perhaps for years before or after -- or otherwise complementary. Webmaster Al, I realize that you are likely traveling currently. I also realize you've been able thru the years to check the web in general for records held various places, in particular in your quest for info about Francis Poythress the itinerant Methodist minister who served LONG before these records that Lyn is gracious enough to share with us. If you, Al, have not previously explored whether Randolph-Macon College has any early Methodist info that would help you further round-out Francis Poythress, perhaps you'll be able to explore that possibility after you return from being away. Barbara | 02/12/19 11:11:15 |
| [POYTHRESS] Clarification please re "historical" ones Re: Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 2) | Barbara Neal | Lyn, in trying to copy & paste your "part 2" emailed info into a Word document, I see that your intended italics did not make it thru the system info your List-posting. Thus to fully understand and study what you sent, alongside a map when I have an opportunity, clarification is needed, please, of at least the names of the 13 historical (no longer active) Methodist congregations in Mecklenburg County. (Also, I'm just curious whether the space-bar on the computer you used may be "sticky" since many of the sentences have no space following them before the first letter of the next sentence.) Thanks again for sharing this great background to help us with the upcoming info! Barbara | 02/12/19 11:30:16 |
| [POYTHRESS] Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 3) | Lyn Baird | This is the third post about a transcription of membership and baptism records of Methodist “classes” on the “Mecklenburg Circuit” of the Virginia Methodist Conference, touching from the 1830’s into the 1870’s. This post treats the Sardis congregation. It is my understanding that Sardis has always met at or near its present meeting location, 3152 Marengo Road, La Crosse, Virginia [36º 38' 35.2" N (36.643125), 78º 6' 59.0" W (-78.116396)]. This is in the historically Marengo community of southeastern Mecklenburg County. From /Life by the Roaring Roanoke/ [Susan Bracey, 1977], p 109: “Meetings were held [at the house of Lewis Williams] until 1812 when a meeting-house was erected nearby and named "Sardis" by [Methodist preacher, John] Early. The land on which Sardis was built had been deeded by Smith and Ann Rainey to Lewis Williams, Williamson Rainey, Ebenezar MacGowan, George Rogers, James Nolley, Samuel Holmes, and Lewis Grigg, as trustees. The present Sardis Church, at Marengo, is the third building, erected about 1911 on land given earlier by W. B. Cleaton. It had been preceded by one built about 1844.” See also http://www.sardis-umc.org/history/. I find in the transcription the following years associated to Sardis: 1835, 1844, 1851, 1855, 1856, 1858, 1859, 1863, 1866, 1867, 1868, 1869, 1870, 1871, 1872, 1873, 1874, and 1875. I find five Poythress-related entries, listed below in the order of the transcription: Page 146, section 3343, Nathan Poythross(?) [sic], single, Sardis Class 1851 [I propose this is Nathan Poythress, 1830-1862, son of James E. and Catherine Preston Poythress.] Page 146, section 3344, Sarah Poythross(?) [sic], single, Sardis Class 1851 [I propose this is Sarah A. V. Poythress, born 1832-1835, Mecklenburg Co., Va., daughter of Edward and Mahala (Mahaley) Nance Poythress. Sarah was the second wife of widowed German D. Redman, married Mecklenburg Co., Va., 01/24/1856. (I do not find in the records a candidate for German or any member of his first family.) From census records it appears Sarah died before 1870, in Granville Co. or Person Co., NC – leaving six children ages 2 to 12: Nancy S., James Robert, Martha E., Thomas E. and Georgianna.] Page 146, section 3346, Joshua E. Poythress(?) [sic], single, Sardis Class 1851 [I propose this is Joshua Lewis Poythress, 1828-1854, son of James E. and Catherine Preston Poythress. From Barbara Poythress Neal we have that Joshua married Elizabeth J. Crowder in 1852, bond Warren County, NC. (I do not find a candidate for Elizabeth Crowder in the records.)] Page 146, section 3349, Harriet E. Poythross(?) [sic], single, Sardis Class 1851 [I propose this is Harriet Poythress, born about 1834, daughter of Edward and Mahala (Mahaley) Nance Poythress.] Page 415, section 9890, Bettie Jane Poythress, [marital state not give], Baptism 1869 B. H. Johnson Sardis [I propose this is Elizabeth, born May 1854, daughter of Thomas M. and Lucy Thomas Poythress. Elizabeth married Thomas Mills in Mecklenburg Co., Va., 03/24/1884.] I find interesting the presence of members of the James E. and Edward Poythress households in the same congregation the same year. No doubt they would have been acquainted – being of near ages, and single, in a congregation of less than eighty persons. The 1850 Mecklenburg Census lists James E. Poythress as household 217 and Edward Poythress as household 241. From Barbara Poythress Neal’s study of James and Catherine at poythress.org, "James Edward Poythress moved from Mecklenburg Co, VA, to Sumter Co, AL in approximately January of 1853, with above-mentioned wife and all 8 children, and reportedly with his nephew, James Speed Poythress." In the 1860 Census Edward Poythress is in household 645, Granville County, North Carolina. (This census entry is problematic – named spelled Paithress, Edward’s age 85, Edward’s sex female, Edward’s race mulatto, and in household of a Rebecca Johnson – but Mahaly is also in the household, and there seems no reason to doubt this is our Edward Poythress.) I have some uncertainty about the identity of “Bettie Jane Poythress.” During 1855 through at least 1866 her would-be mother, Lucy, is shown on the roll of another congregation, Rehoboth. During 1863 through at least 1866 her would-be brother, William L., is also on the Rehoboth roll. In spite of this, I place this “Bettie Jane Poythress” in the Thomas M. and Lucy Poythress family for three reasons: 1) I find no other candidate Elizabeth/Bettie in Mecklenburg in that timeframe; 2) as of the 1850 census the Thomas M. Poythress household was next door to the James E. Poythress household, therefore “in the Sardis neighborhood,” so it would not be unreasonable that 19 years later the family still had ties back to Sardis; 3) from my knowledge of other persons in this transcription, it appears that people sometimes got baptized at a meeting house other than their own, so Bettie Jane might have attended Rehoboth even though she was baptized at Sardis. Also, for perspective, in good weather Rehoboth and Sardis are about 90 minutes apart by horse, two hours apart by foot, so it would not be unreasonable for members of one to attend an event at the other. I expect in a next message to cover Rehoboth Poythress relations. Meanwhile, comments welcomed on what I have shared so far. --Lyn | 02/17/19 3:34:03 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 3) | Albert Tims | Lyn, This is very informative -- adding details I do not believe we've seen anywhere prior to your posts. Thank you. If your time and interest allows, I invite you to take a look at this preliminary study of a believed descendant of Edward and Mahaley (Nance) Poythress. http://poythress.org/family-studies/preliminary-poythress-lineage-of-rev-o-d-poythress/ I'd be interested to learn if this account aligns with your research. Best, Al | 02/17/19 4:58:19 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: O.D. Poythress study | Lyn Baird | Al, thanks for this encouragement. I looked through the O.D. Poythress study as requested, and do not find anything to suggest. This family of George Washington Poythress and Susan Permelia Redman is well-evidenced in the records, and what is in this study seems to bring this out accurately. I will briefly rehash an uncertainty that has surfaced on this list long ago, concerning the parents of George Washington Poythress. So far I am not aware of a definitive proof of his parents. Sadly his marriage record does not show parents, and I am unaware of a death certificate turning up for him. As you know, the 1850 Mecklenburg, Virginia, census shows two households each having a young George Poythress -- George, age 9, in the David Poythress household (hh134, 98th regiment); and George, age 12, in the Edward Poythress household (hh241, 98th regiment). I lean somewhat toward Edward and Mahala being GWP's parents, because in records his stated age aligns more closely with a ca 1838 birth than a ca 1841 birth. However, as we know, ages can be inaccurate, and 3 years is within margin of error. So I believe this remains open. To my knowledge, neither of these Georges has been found in the 1860 census, which does not help the cause. Also, I am not aware of a candidate for "the other" George in 1870-1900. (I gather George Washington Poythress dies before 1900, as Susan is head of the household in the 1900 census.) In any event, my compliments to whomever pulled this together. --Lyn | 02/17/19 7:08:30 |
| [POYTHRESS] Fwd: I want to forward this to the Poythress mailing group | Jackie Malphrus | obit for Louise Poythress Lee ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Ginger Malphrus Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 12:49 PM Subject: I want to forward this to the Poythress mailing group To: Jackie Malphrus https://www.statesboroherald.com/ob/louise-p-lee/ -- *Ginger Malphrus* *Staff Assistant President's Office/Faculty Senate Office* *PO Box 8033 Georgia Southern University 912-478-5144 FAX: 912-478-0598* *Faculty Senate web page: **http://academics.georgiasouthern.edu/facultysenate/ | 02/18/19 3:16:37 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: O.D. Poythress study | Albert Tims | Lyn, Once again, more new information! Thank you. I pulled together the O.D. Poythress outline in the hopes of encouraging exploration of a line we had not seen anyone examine and because I was intrigued by the young O. D. Poythress. I gathered more information about his life than I posted in that outline. The George Poythress issue seemed the weakest to me but I did not have all the information you just posted. It will be a few weeks before I can do an update to the website but would you be willing to let me update the outline with the information you provided about the lineage of George Washington Poythress? I also encourage your thoughts about our Francis Poythress who was inarguably one of the pioneers in establishing Methodism in Virginia, North Carolina, Kentucky and parts of Tennessee. It would be a tremendous find to learn of records that might connect him with the founding of the congregations you mention or with any of the Poythress identified in your records. We know his sister was named Susan or Susanna and that she married a Prior before moving to Kentucky (near Lexington). It has been a bit since I last reviewed these issues -- your posts are reminders of how much we still do not understand. And I believe they'd be of real interest to others interested in the history of the county. This list has been "quiet" for too long -- I hope your new reporting will spark renewed engagements and new lines of inquiry. Best, Al | 02/18/19 5:13:21 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: O.D. Poythress study | Albert Tims | Lyn, Again, if the opportunity arises, I hope you might take a look at this overview -- admittedly more an assembly than a proper study but this might be important in establishing a better understanding of how the congregations you're studying might trace back to the earlier mission work of Francis Poythress and Deveraux Jarratt as founders of American Methodism. http://poythress.org/2017/09/08/reverend-francis-poythress-family-ties-closing-in/ Best, Al | 02/18/19 5:31:42 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: O.D. Poythress study | Lyn Baird | Yes, Al, I am glad for this information to be added to the study. For reference below are census records I find for George Washington Poythress, as quoted from familysearch.org. I note how I find the name written in the original record ("taker" meaning what the census taker recorded), and how it is indexed ("index"). It is interesting in these cases how the census takers get the name correct, but the indexers miss it twice. That I find is typical. Our unusual name is made more difficult to search not so much by the census takers as by the indexers. 🙂 1870 NC-Person Co / taker "Poythress" / index "Paythress" "United States Census, 1870," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW8 P42 : 12 April 2016), Geo W Paythress, North Carolina, United States; citing p. 21, family 165, NARA microfilm publication M593 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.); FHL microfilm 552,653. 1880 NC-Chatham Co / taker "Poythress" / index "Poythuss" "United States Census, 1880," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MC6F-5FC : 14 September 2017), George W Poythuss, 1880; citing enumeration district ED 21, sheet 17B, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d), roll 0957; FHL microfilm 1,254,957. 1900 NC-Durham (Susan hh) / taker "Poythress" / index "Poythress" "United States Census, 1900," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSY 244 : accessed 9 February 2019), Susan Poythress, Durham Township Durham city, Durham, North Carolina, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) 31, sheet 14A, family 265, NARA microfilm publication T623 (Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1972.); FHL microfilm 1,241,193. 1910 NC-Durham (Mrs. G. W. in C. W. hh) / taker "Poythress" / index "Poythress" "United States Census, 1910," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:ML9D-CFX : accessed 20 February 2019), C W Poythress, Parrish, Durham, North Carolina, United States; citing enumeration district (ED) ED 36, sheet 3B, family 58, NARA microfilm publication T624 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1982), roll 1108; FHL microfilm 1,375,121. | 02/19/19 6:56:35 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: O.D. Poythress study | Lyn Baird | Al and the list, I like to offer a correction and an addition to the information I shared 2/17 below, based on information I find in the list archive, primarily in the below two posts (and which I have rechecked in the records): **Barbara Neal's 2006 post https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/poythress.rootsweb.com/thread/5293852/ **Nicole Graysmith's 2010 post https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/poythress.rootsweb.com/thread/1637206/ On 2/17 I stated, "To my knowledge, neither of these Georges has been found in the 1860 census..." In her 2006 post, Barbara Neal proposes that George, age 9, of the 1850 David Poythress household is G.W., age 19, of the 1860 David Poythress household. I believe that is correct, and take that as a correction to my 2/17 statement. In that same 2006 post, Barbara points out "Elizabeth, age 33, female, white, born VA" in the 1870 George Washington Poythress household. In that post Barbara comments, "Note: by 33-yr old Elizabeth being at the bottom of the household, though with the same last name, she was likely a sister or cousin of 31-yr old Geo W." Nicole, in her 2010 post, points out, " An Elizabeth Poythress shows up in Edward and Mahala's household in the 1860 census and then George and Permelia's household in the 1870 census." I am not aware of two Elizabeth Poythresses, of like age, in this region, at this time. In the absence of other information, I suggest (as I assume Nicole would agree), that the Elizabeth, age 33, born Virginia, with George and Permelia Susan in 1870 is the same Elizabeth, age 22, born Virginia, with Edward and Mahala in 1860. If someone on this List is aware of an alternative interpretation, or another likely Elizabeth, please bring this up. Otherwise, I suggest we have two factors that lean toward Edward as father of this GWP: 1) Age of this adult GWP tracks with the child George of Edward's household; 2) An Elizabeth with Edward in 1860 appears to align with an Elizabeth with GWP in 1870. Please note this proposal does not depend on Elizabeth being a daughter of Edward and Mahala, only that she is in the 1860 household with them. In fact, Elizabeth as a daughter is somewhat problematic, because no Elizabeth appears in the 1850 Edward Poythress household. In the 1850 household there is a Harriett, age 16. And the presence of a Harriett on the 1851 Sardis membership roll (see below), and the lack of another Harriett as a candidate, suggests we may assume the 1850 census entry is correct. Might this be a "Harriett Elizabeth' who in adulthood drops the "Harriett"? Perhaps, but I am not aware of any supporting evidence for that. If I missed or mis-stated anything, corrections welcomed. Also any alternative theories welcomed. --Lyn | 02/20/19 7:17:22 |
| [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg land petition found in Mecklenburg VA Chancery case 1852-013 | Barbara Neal | Poythress-List folk, with info copy to Julie, who I don't think is currently on the Poythress-List Last night, I found in my genie program a Mecklenburg County, VA land petition, which had been filed at Library of Virginia in Mecklenburg VA Chancery case 1852-013. I thought the land petition could be helpful to Julie in some work she is doing on Mecklenburg land -- so I sent the land petition last night in just a personal email to her with a copy to Lyn. Now tonight, having taken a bit more time to look at what I had (thanks to a follow-up question from Lyn), I've now found the FULL transcription I did back in June 2007 of this short Chancery Case. I can see also the family notes I made in the email at that time. Since all of this was in an email I sent to the Poythress-List on 27 June 2007, and since that was one of the emails rootsweb has yet to successfully restore to the List Archives, I am sending (below) the full June 2007 transcription (with my then-comments) again to the Poythress-List not only for the current benefit of Lyn and me, with a copy to Julie, but also in hopes that this version WILL now be archived by rootsweb. This CROWDER family mentioned in the Chancery Case is apparently the family of Elizabeth J Crowder who married my line's Joshua Lewis Poythress, who was the eldest son of James Edward Poythress & Catherine nee Preston. This is not a family on which I had previously done my own research. Tomorrow afternoon, between 2 meetings, or on Friday, I'll post what info I have, after examining a census record (thanks, Lyn). In the meantime, must sleep;) Below is the re-post of the full Chancery case transcription with my 2007 comments. Barbara Subject: Transcription Mecklenburg 1852-013 Petition Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:09:10 -0600 From: Barbara Neal To: Poythress List This Petition is listed in LVA's Chancery Case Index as: Mecklenburg 1852-013 P1: PETITION OF SARAH W CROWDER &C BY ETC D1: Surnames CROWDER, POYTHRESS Wills NONE Plat? NO Format Original Only 2 documents and a case wrapper are in the file. The first document, filed at the Nov 1852 Court, includes among the petitioners the eldest son of James Edward Poythress: Joshua Poythress & his wife Elizabeth formerly Elizabeth Crowder. This young couple had just married in Mecklenburg Co on 17 Oct 1852 (per Family Bible type record on file at LVA as Accession #34866), after having gotten their Marriage License on 30 Sep 1852 in Warren Co, NC. From the way the other Crowder names are listed in this Petition, they would likely be Elizabeth's mother and siblings. Sterling Crowder, the deceased mentioned in the Petition, would logically have been (though the Petition does not specifically say) the husband of Petitioner Sarah W. Crowder and the father of Elizabeth and the other Crowders listed. Unfortunately his year of death was not filled in, but was just left as "18__." I find the deceased's first name of Sterling intriguing because I've seen a listing sent by a List member (who photocopied Marriage Bond Index info from the NC Archives microfiche for NC Marriage Bonds on file in Oxford, Granville Co, NC), which shows a marriage indexed for Sarah Crowder & James R. Portis [Poythress], showing a marriage bond dated 13 Jan 1827 in Northampton Co, NC, with Bondsman Thomas R. Hutson; and witness was Sam L. Calvert, married by John Jones, MG (Minister of the Gospel) and listing "M. 25 Dec 1865" (sic). Our List members have told us that this couple, James R. Portis [Poythress] and Sarah Crowder, had children whose names included a Sterling Poythress, as well as William Poythress, James Poythress, Lovel Poythress, Joseph Poythress, and Richard Plunk Poythress; several of these sons married Turner women. This 1852-013 Petition of Sarah Crowder & others in Mecklenburg Co, VA was later dismissed in the November Term 1872 under a 7 Years Ruling for unresolved cases, as is noted on the case wrapper. - Transcribed 27 Jun 2007 by Barbara Poythress Neal: Mecklenburg Chancery Case 1852-013 [Front of first document. Note: the 2nd middle initial of John W._. Crowder could be something other than an "L"] To the worshipful the County Court of Mecklenburg in Chancery sitting. Your petitioners Sarah W. Crowder, Julius L. Crowder, Wiley H. Crowder, Joshua Poythress & Elizabeth his wife, formerly Elizabeth Crowder, Sarah Crowder, Nelson Crowder, and John W.L. Crowder the last three of whom are infants under the age of twenty one years by Wiley H. Crowder their next friend, respectfully shew to the Court, that Sterling Crowder departed this life some time in the year 18__ that before his death he sold to one Betsy Macklin, Mary Macklin, & Nancy Macklin a small parcel of Land lying in the County of Mecklenburg containing about fifty acres for the sum of one hundred & twenty dollars_ that the said Sterling Crowder made no conveyance of the said Land to the said purchasers in his life time_ that the said purchasers have paid thirty dollars of the purchase money, and that your petitioners are informed that they are ready and willing to pay the residue of the purchase money, and believing that the said Land sold for its value, they are willing and desirous that the sale shall be conformed, and that a conveyance be made to the said purchasers or to any other person that the said purchasers may direct when the residue of the purchase money shall be paid_ But your petitioners are advised that this cannot be done without the intervention of this Court where such matters are only cognizable_ therefore they pray that this Court will appoint some suitable person to receive the residue of the purchase money and to convey the right & title of the said Land to the said purchasers or to any other person or persons that the said purchasers may direct and grant unto your petitioners such other & general relief as your worships may deem fit &C - [Back of document. Note: again, the 2nd middle initial of John W._. Crowder could be something other than an "L"] Upon the petition of Sarah W. Crowder, Julius Crowder, Wiley H. Crowder, Joshua Poythress & Elizabeth his wife formerly Elizabeth Crowder, Sarah Crowder, Nelson Crowder, John W.L. Crowder the last three of whom are infants under the age of twenty one years by their next friend Wiley H. Crowder, the Court doth appoint Wiley H. Crowder a special Commissioner for that purpose, to receive the residue of the purchase money for a tract of Land sold by Sterling Crowder in his life time to Betsy Macklin, Mary Macklin & Nancy Macklin; and the Court doth further order and decree that the said Commissioner do convey with special warranty the said Land to the said Betsy Macklin, Mary Macklin & Nancy Macklin or to any other person or persons that they may direct_ but the said Commissioner shall not receive any money under this decree untill he enters into bond with good security in the penalty of $180 before this Court or before the Clerk in his office for the faithful discharge of his duty and the Court doth further order & decree that the Commissioner shall pay the costs of this decree, and report his proceeding to this Court_ and the Court doth further order & decree that the said Comr after paying the costs of this decree pay over the residue of the money to the representative of Sterling Crowder decd._ - [2nd document has handwriting filling in the blanks of a bond form for Mecklenburg Co Court] Know all men by these presents, that we Wiley H. Crowder, Alexander(?) Boyd & John W. King are held and firmly bound unto the Commonwealth of Virginia in the sum of $180 dollars to pay which, we bind ourselves, our heirs, &c. jointly and severally firmly by these presents. Sealed with our seals, and dated this 20 day of December 1852 The condition of the above obligation is such, that if the above bound Wiley H. Crowder who has [marked out are the words: been appointed a Comr] by a decree of the County Court of Mecklenburg by a petition of Sarah W. Crowder & others, Commissioner to collect the money for a tract of Land, sold by Sterling Crowder in his life time. [Note: other words had earlier been written in this lower portion, but were lined out, and are too difficult to read on this photocopy] shall faithfully discharge the duties of said Comr according to the said Decree, then the above obligation i[s] to be void[,] otherwise to remain in full force and virtue. [signed by:] Wiley H. Crowder A G Boyd Jno W King [printed at bottom of form, and not filled in, is:] Mecklenburg County Court ___________ term, 185_ This bond was acknowledged by the obligators thereto and ordered to be recorded. - [Wrapper of the case:] Co C Petition of Crowder &C - ["126" and 2 short words or numbers are scratched out before the name:] King [and another number is scratched out after King] Sarah W. Crowder and others 108 Petition &C 1852 Novr Court filed - 1872 Nov T[erm] Dismissed under 7 Years ruling = = = | 02/20/19 9:43:14 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: O.D. Poythress study | Lyn Baird | Nicole, thank you for speaking up. So glad to learn you are still active on the Poythress List. You have an interesting Poythress line, and I hope the List may collaborate on learning more about your folks. --Lyn | 02/21/19 6:00:03 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: O.D. Poythress study | Albert Tims | Lyn and List, Thank you. This revision appears to strengthens the lineage I proposed for Rev. O.D. Poythress in the preliminary outline posted back in 2017. From what I can tell, Rev. Poythress has no living direct line descendants. And as far as I know, we have no work yet done on his siblings. I'm not sure we have anyone on this list at present who might be a descendant of George W. Poythress or Robert L. Poythress. The 1900 Federal Census shows O.D. Poythrus (Poythress) with seven (7) living siblings. I need to do some more digging to see if we have anything on his siblings. As a sidebar, by the time Olive Danial shows up at Elon College his name is spelled as Poythress. I will incorporate your work in an updated post as soon as I am able to access the files. I remain interested in trying to dig further into the life of David Poythress and his connections to other families for whom he may have been employed as an overseer, both in Mecklenburg Co. VA and Warren Co. NC. I wrote a very preliminary sketch of notes I had started to gather about David -- triggered by discovery of a Freedman's Contact he executed soon after the end of the Civil War. I started pulling on that thread which led me to begin to see how he might have been connected through employment. Here it is, in need of editing and far more rigor but I think it may have a few useful leads worthy of more exploration. In my first pass of documents I found quite a bit of contemporaneous correspondence from Weldon Edwards to other prominent figures in North Carolina but what I've read so far makes no mention of he overseers -- mostly of what he was planting, crop yields, investments and the unraveling politics of the time. http://poythress.org/2017/10/12/david-poythress-connection-to-weldon-edwards-property-in-warren-county-north-carolina/ Lyn, I look forward to more information about the location of the congregations you've identified, especially in relation to Poythress lands and allied families. I am going to do more digging to see if I can find anything from the early history of the Methodist Episcopal Church that might link to Francis Poythress and/or Jarrett Devereux. Devereux is a major figure worthy of a closer look -- in my opinion. Best, Al | 02/21/19 6:55:27 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: O.D. Poythress study | Albert Tims | Nicole, I join Lyn in thanking you for your interest in Poythress family history. Your great grandmother's older brother was Robert L. Poythress. Robert is the father of Rev. Olive Daniel Poythress who attended Elon College and then served as a pastor of the South Norfolk Christian Church for four decades starting October, 1915. He had red hair. Did your great grandmother? You may have already noticed the rough outline of his lineage on the Poythress.org site. That preliminary work lacks any work on other branches in the family line. Perhaps you and others in your family will be able to help. It would be very exciting to learn if a family bible has been preserved across generations or if there are family photographs from the 19th and early 20th centuries, letters, wills, deeds, oral histories, etc. Below is the 1880 Census for the household of George W. Poythress (Poythuss) showing your great grandmother, Ella May, as 14 years old. Best, Al Tims Name: George W. Poythuss Age: 43 Birth Date: Abt 1837 Birthplace: Virginia Home in 1880: Baldwin, Chatham, North Carolina, USA Dwelling Number: 287 Race: White Gender: Male Relation to Head of House: Self (Head) Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Permelia Susan Poythuss Father's Birthplace: Virginia Mother's Birthplace: Virginia Occupation: Farming Neighbors: View others on page" "Household Members:" " Name Age George W. Poythuss 43 "Permelia Susan Poythuss 31 "William Poythuss 18 Robert Lee Poythuss 16 Ella May Poythuss 14 Semion Poythuss 12 John Poythuss 10 Virginia Poythuss 8 Thomas Poythuss 6 Herbert H. Poythuss 4 Charles Poythuss 2 Roberta Poythuss 7/12 Thomas Redmond 19" "Source Citation Year: 1880; Census Place: Baldwin, Chatham, North Carolina; Roll: 957; Family History Film: 1254957; Page: 17B; Enumeration District: 021" | 02/21/19 7:10:52 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: O.D. Poythress study | Nicole Graysmith | I am a direct descendant of George Washington Poythress - his daughter, Ella May Poythress is my great-grandmother, her daughter, Ella Naomi Long, my grand-mother. I haven't had much time to dig into anything lately but I have a cousin who has decided to get involved. Nicole Graysmith On Thursday, February 21, 2019, 8:55:39 AM EST, Albert Tims via POYTHRESS Lyn and List, Thank you. This revision appears to strengthens the lineage I proposed for Rev. O.D. Poythress in the preliminary outline posted back in 2017. From what I can tell, Rev. Poythress has no living direct line descendants. And as far as I know, we have no work yet done on his siblings. I'm not sure we have anyone on this list at present who might be a descendant of George W. Poythress or Robert L. Poythress. The 1900 Federal Census shows O.D. Poythrus (Poythress) with seven (7) living siblings. I need to do some more digging to see if we have anything on his siblings. As a sidebar, by the time Olive Danial shows up at Elon College his name is spelled as Poythress. I will incorporate your work in an updated post as soon as I am able to access the files. I remain interested in trying to dig further into the life of David Poythress and his connections to other families for whom he may have been employed as an overseer, both in Mecklenburg Co. VA and Warren Co. NC. I wrote a very preliminary sketch of notes I had started to gather about David -- triggered by discovery of a Freedman's Contact he executed soon after the end of the Civil War. I started pulling on that thread which led me to begin to see how he might have been connected through employment. Here it is, in need of editing and far more rigor but I think it may have a few useful leads worthy of more exploration. In my first pass of documents I found quite a bit of contemporaneous correspondence from Weldon Edwards to other prominent figures in North Carolina but what I've read so far makes no mention of he overseers -- mostly of what he was planting, crop yields, investments and the unraveling politics of the time. http://poythress.org/2017/10/12/david-poythress-connection-to-weldon-edwards-property-in-warren-county-north-carolina/ Lyn, I look forward to more information about the location of the congregations you've identified, especially in relation to Poythress lands and allied families. I am going to do more digging to see if I can find anything from the early history of the Methodist Episcopal Church that might link to Francis Poythress and/or Jarrett Devereux. Devereux is a major figure worthy of a closer look -- in my opinion. Best, Al | 02/21/19 10:16:52 |
| [POYTHRESS] Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 4) | Lyn Baird | This is the fourth post about a transcription of membership and baptism records of Methodist “classes” on the “Mecklenburg Circuit” of the Virginia Methodist Conference, touching from the 1830’s into the 1870’s. This post treats the Rehoboth congregation. The Rehoboth Methodist church meets at 1919 Blackridge Road, La Crosse, Virginia [36º 35' 56.0"" N (36.598884); 78º 4' 12.9"" W (-78.070248)]. This is about 5.4 miles by road southeast of Sardis, in what is historically the Blackridge community of southeastern Mecklenburg County. I could not find much on Rehoboth’s history, but understand that it was gathered in 1833, and, like Sardis, has always met at or near its present location. After a fire in 2004 destroyed the 1888 building, the church rebuilt at the same location. In the transcription I find the following years associated to Rehoboth: 1834, 1835, 1851, 1854, 1855, 1856, 1858, 1859, 1863, 1864, 1866, 1869, 1870, 1871, 1874. With Rehoboth I find 11 entries which I propose associate to three Poythress relations, as follows: I propose the following seven entries are the same person: Page 174, section 3924, Lucy J. Poythress????? [sic], married, Rehoboth Class Page 199, section 4544, Lucy Portress [sic], married, Rehoboth Class 1855 Page 235, section 5452, Lucy J Portress [sic], married, Rehoboth Class No 1 1856 Page 273, section 6391, Lucy J. Poythress, [marital status blank], Rehoboth Class 1858 Page 300, section 7059, Lucy J. Poytheness [sic], [marital status blank], Rehoboth Class 1859 Page 323, section 7617, Lucy J. Poythress, married, Rehoboth Class 1863 Page 362, section 8580, Lucy J. Poythress, married, Rehoboth Class 1866, “Dropped by church conference Oct 1874” [I propose this is Lucy J. Thomas, born ca 1826, Mecklenburg Co., Va., daughter of Bennett Thomas and his second wife, Nancy ???. Lucy married Thomas M. Poythress, son of Lewis Poythress, before 1846. These are my twice-great-grandparents through son James David Poythress. Lucy died sometime between 1891 and 1896.] I propose the following two entries are the same person: Page 324, section 7649, William L. Poythress, single, Rehoboth Class 1863, “Received Aug. 1863” Page 363, section 8602, William L. Poythress, single, Rehoboth Class 1866, “Dropped by Church Conference Oct. 1874” [I propose this is William Lewis Poythress, 1845-1915, eldest son of the above-mentioned Thomas M. and Lucy J. Poythress. (I find it interesting that both William and his mother were dropped from membership during the same 1874 conference.)] I propose the following two entries are the same person: Page 324, section 7630, Anna J. Jones, single, Rehoboth Class 1863, “Married Poythress” Page 362, section 8591, Anna J, Poythress, married, Rehoboth Class 1866 [I propose this is Anna Jane (“Ella”) Jones, 1844-1915, who I understand from Julie Cabitto to be daughter of James B. Jones and Martha Newman. Anna married the above-mentioned William L. Poythress in 1865.] In the transcription I also find the following, that I propose to be entries of sisters of the above-mentioned Lucy J. Thomas Poythress: Page 148, section 3386, Rebecca A. Thomas, single, Rehoboth Class 1851 Page 199, section 4552, Amanda F. Thomas, single, Rehoboth Class 1855 Page 235, section 5461, Amanda F. Thomas, single, Rehoboth Class No 1 1856 There are many other entries of Thomas at Rehoboth, and it is likely some are relations of Lucy, but for the purposes of this post I will stop with these. It should be noted that there is another Rehoboth (or Rehobeth) Methodist Church in the county, which meets at 3577 Phyllis Road, Boydton, Virginia. This Boydton-area Rehoboth does not appear by that name in the transcription. However, Taylors Meeting House, which may be a predecessor of this Boydton-area Rehoboth, does appears in the transcription. To my knowledge, all references to Rehoboth in the transcription are to the Blackridge-area Rehoboth. I expect in a next message to cover Poythress relations in the Zion congregation. Meanwhile, comments are welcomed on what I have shared so far. --Lyn | 02/22/19 8:21:52 |
| [POYTHRESS] 1850 Crowder Census hh, Southern Brunswick Co, VA incl names of land petition in Mecklenburg VA Chancery 1852-013 | Barbara Neal | A Census record that Lyn located in the Southern District of Brunswick County, Virginia at familysearch.org & which he brought to my attention indeed has all of the same names as in the land petition I re-posted the other day, which is found in Mecklenburg County, Virginia Chancery Case 1852-013. To reiterate here in a list for easily comparing the land petition's names to the below transcribed Census, the land petition in Mecklenburg County, Virginia Chancery Case 1852-013, listed petitioners as: Sarah W. Crowder, Julius L. Crowder, Wiley H. Crowder, Joshua Poythress & Elizabeth his wife, formerly Elizabeth Crowder, Sarah Crowder, Nelson Crowder, and John W.L. Crowder the last three of whom are infants under the age of twenty one years by Wiley H. Crowder their next friend, respectfully shew to ... Tonight, I transcribe that Census record as: The 1850 US Population Census, Southern District of Brunswick County, Virginia, enumerated 9 Oct 1850 by Wm E Davis [handwritten page number 668 at upper left corner]: Dwelling 312; Family 312, Lines 18-24: - Sarah Crowder, 40, Female, real estate valued at 1765 - Julius Crowder, 23, Male, Farmer - Wiley Crowder, 21, Male, Farmer - Elizabeth Crowder, 18, Female - Sarah Crowder, 14, Female - Nelson Crowder, 10, Male - John Crowder, 5, Male | 02/22/19 10:24:13 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress - Methodist threads | Albert Tims | List, Below is a brief passage concerning the significant role Francis Poythress may have had in helping establish the American Methodist Church in parts of Virginia, North Carolina and Kentucky. And it briefly documents a bit of his affiliation with Deveraux Jarratt -- who had served as a rector in Bath County and who's wife had Poythress linkages. We further have reason to believe a Poythress woman may have been raised in the Jarratt household. Mike Tutor was on to this thread more than a dozen years ago on the Poythress list, but I don't think it received the attention it merited. Lyn's new work establishes that Poythress families were represented in Methodist congregations throughout much of the 19th century. And now we have an intriguing mention of John C. Poythress (of Georgia) as a trustee at the founding of Randolph Macon College in Mecklenberg County. I'm not sure how best to tackle this but it there seem to be sufficient reasons for a deeper systematic examination. I do not know if the college has archival records from the earliest years but it should not be much of a chore to learn what they may have. BTW -- this account varies a bit from others in the literature relate to Francis Poythress, but the overall arc of his story is fairly consistent. For reference -- this is what Mike Tutor speculated back in 2004 on this list: I have been looking back over my notes about Francis (1712). I noticed that he bought land in 1728. If he had to be 21 years old, that would mean that he was born by 1707. I'm beginning to think that he could not be the father of the 24 year old Francis that died at age 24 after serving in the revolution. If anything, he must have been the grandfather and quite possibly the preacher is a missing generation between these two. It seems that Mary Peterson was born about 1734 which would make her the right age to have been the preacher's wife. The preacher, Jarrett Devereaux, would have been about the same age as the preacher, Francis. The preacher could have been Francis' (1712/1707) son because he would have inherited at least 4000 acres of land from Francis (1712/1707). At least we now know that Francis (1712/1707) was the son of Francis Poythress and Hannah Ravenscroft, and was the grandson of John Poythress and Christian Peebles...................Mike Best, Al A HISTORY OF THE RISE OF METHODISM IN AMERICA By John Lednum, of the Philadelphia, Conference Containing Sketches of Methodist Itinerant Preachers, From 1736 to 1785, Numbering One Hundred and Sixty or Seventy. Also, A Short Account of Many Hundreds of the First Race of Lay Members, Male and Female, from New York to South Carolina. Together with an Account of Many of the First Societies and Chapels "What hath God wrought!" -- Numbers 23:23 Philadelphia: Published by The Author Sold at Methodist Book Stores 1859 Mr. Francis Poythress was a native of North Carolina, or of Virginia, bordering on that province. He was born near the time of George, afterwards General, Washington's nativity, in 1732. He inherited, at the death of his father, a considerable personal and real estate. Under the influence of impetuous feelings, such as actuated his course of life, he rushed into all the follies and vices of the irreligious community in which he lived; and, probably, greatly pared down his paternal inheritance. By a merciful Providence, he was brought to right reflection by pungent reproof, administered to him by a lady of high rank. In confusion of mind he left her house hurriedly, and on his way home resolved to mend his manners. He took the right means -- he began to read the Bible, and pray in secret. His convictions increasing his miserable feelings led him to inquire for some one who was capable to instruct him in the good way. After a long time of darkness and sorrow, he heard of the Rev. Devereaux Jarratt, -- he found him, and remained for some time at his house receiving instruction from him; this was, most likely, about 1772. As soon as he received a knowledge of his acceptance with God, he began to travel about and preach the way to heaven to all who would hear him; this was before the Methodist preachers had reached his natal region. Soon after, he fell in with a Methodist preacher, -- Williams, Pilmoor, Wright, or some one of those who first visited Virginia, -- who gave him the doctrine and discipline of the Methodists, which he approved of and joined them. From the first Conference of 1773, Richard Wright was stationed in Virginia. In the spring of 1774, he returned, giving a good account: stating that one Methodist chapel was built, and "two or three more preachers had gone out on the Methodist plan." It is within the range of conjecture that Mr. Poythress was one of these:-- in the fall of 1775, he was received as a traveling preacher, at a quarterly meeting on Brunswick Circuit, together with James Foster, and Joseph Hartley. See Asbury's Journal, vol. i., p. 124. He became a very considerable preacher among the Methodists. For twelve years in succession, from 1786 to 1797, he filled what has since been called the office of Presiding Elder. In 1797, when Mr. Asbury was much afflicted, and worn down by labor, he was making, in his judgment, a selection of suitable men to strengthen the Episcopacy, he named three, Messrs. Whatcoat, Lee, and Poythress. The General Conference of 1800 elected but one, and the lot fell on Mr. Whatcoat. At this time Mr. Poythress must have stood very high in Mr. Asbury's estimation, as he regarded him as a suitable person to help bear the burden of the Episcopacy. He followed the tide of emigration, too; and assisted in planting Methodism in Kentucky. His name is found in the Minutes for the last time in 1802. It is not said how he retired from the work. In 1810, Mr. Asbury saw him for the last time in Jessamine county; he says, "This has been an awful day to me; I visited Francis Poythress; if thou beest he, but, O how fallen!" | 02/23/19 3:05:52 |
| [POYTHRESS] Addendum -- The Methodist Brunswick Circuit | Albert Tims | List, My previous post establishes that Francis Poythress was assigned to the Brunswick Circuit. "The Brunswick Circuit is called The Cradle of Methodism” because it is the oldest Methodist circuit under continuous appointment in America. Originally, it included 14 Virginia and 2 North Carolina Counties." Francis Poythress was the first preacher to establish congregations in this circuit. I also note mention of a the Brunswick Foundation. "The Brunswick Foundation was formed to identify, preserve, and interpret historic sites in the old Brunswick Circuit, including Randolph Macon, Mason’s Chapel, one of the earliest Methodist churches in Southside Virginia, and the first Methodist school established in America, Ebenezer Academy." http://thenewsrecord.com/index.php?/news/article/plans_developed_to_rebuild_randolph-_macon_college/ Best, Al | 02/23/19 3:12:21 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Poythress - Methodist threads | Kevin Poythress | Thank you Al for sharing this and all the work you do on the list. This is very interesting. Kevin N. Poythress Poythress Construction Company, Inc. 1011 Classic Road Apex, NC 27539 919-463-5403 www.pccbuilder.com | 02/23/19 5:11:03 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 4) | Albert Tims | Lyn, This is incredible. With your permission, I'd like to assemble each of your posts into a single web page and download we might post on the Poythress.org website. Your work easily is the most significant new information posted to the list in some time. My sense is that you are cracking open many new pathways for exploration and elaboration. The more we can reveal about the actual lives of these earlier generations the more rewarding it becomes for us and for future generations who might benefit from the efforts. Thank you. Referencing the 1870 county map (link below), I wonder if you think it would be productive or possible to place these congregations in their approximate locations using a map (perhaps this one) in combination with the coordinates you are providing? https://www.vagenweb.org/mecklenburg/1870use.htm I also wonder, perhaps a non-productive wonderment, if we might eventually merge Julie Cabitto's work mapping Poythress (and other) land records with the geographic locations of these congregations. And perhaps census household proximities of allied families. Projects of this nature must surely exist in the genealogical research community; well perhaps. I just found this image of what I presume may be the"other" Rehobeth Methodist Church you document. http://www.vagenweb.org/mecklenburg/rehobme1.htm This is significant, perhaps, because I find this reference to John C. Potythress as one of four original trustees establishing Randolph Macon College. This is in connection with John Early being appointed as Agent for the college. I now need to purchase the book;) https://books.google.com/books?id=zO9cDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=John+Early+Poythress&source=bl&ots=qDiIQqOBHE&sig=ACfU3U0Gkcw5Wce0Wz5wRnFWB4PhOwD1_g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjT86a66tHgAhUPmuAKHWZsDOUQ6AEwEnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=John%20Early%20Poythress&f=false Best, Al | 02/23/19 5:27:14 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Poythress - Methodist threads | Albert Tims | Kevin, Thank you for the note. The real thanks should go to the prolific contributions of Barbara Poythress Neal and dozens of other serious genealogists who've contributed to the study of the Poythress family in America. In past years we've asked list subscribers to consider sharing a bit about main interests, unresolved questions about family history and contribute where possible any family oral histories/traditions/stories, transcriptions/images old family bibles, old family photographs and drawings or photographs of old homesteads, old correspondence, etc. This mailing list and the research website benefits from original documents that could help connect generations and branches of the Poythress family. To your knowledge, is your family related to George W. Poythress who was living not too far from Apex in Baldwin township by 1880s or perhaps to another Poythress line? Best, Al Tims On Feb 23, 2019, at 06:11 PM, Kevin Poythress Thank you Al for sharing this and all the work you do on the list. This is very interesting. Kevin N. Poythress Poythress Construction Company, Inc. 1011 Classic Road Apex, NC 27539 919-463-5403 http://www.pccbuilder.com | 02/23/19 8:00:17 |
| [POYTHRESS] Founding of Randolph Macon College | Albert Tims | List, Here is a more complete passage related to the founding of the college documenting John C. Poythress as an early trustee. Title: History of Randolph-Macon College, Virginia The Oldest Incorporated Methodist College in America Author: Richard Irby Release Date: July 14, 2012 [EBook #40229] Language: English *** START OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK HISTORY OF RANDOLPH-MACON *** http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/40229/pg40229-images.html We have a will for John C. Poythress (of Georgia) posted here: http://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-georgia/john-c-poythress-burke-county-georgia/ Perhaps more is archived -- I have not yet started to see what we may already know. It is intriguing to see this possible connection back to the county of Mecklenberg. (I do not have the page number since I looked at an online version of the book, but I believe it is page 30. The first meeting of the Board of Trustees after the opening was held February 5, 1833. At this meeting the following communication from the Georgia Conference Was received: "LAGRANGE, Ga. "We feel a deep interest in the success of Randolph-Macon College. We have full confidence in its moral and literary character and prospects, and we will recommend it to the patronage of all who may be disposed to send their sons or wards beyond the limits of the State to be educated. "We will appoint four Trustees agreeable to the proposal made by Brother Early, the Agent of the College, who visited us. Whereupon the Conference nominated the Rev. Ignatius Few and Rev. Lovick Pierce, members of the Conference, and Seaborn Jones and John C. Poythress, Esquires, for that purpose. "Resolved, That the Trustees of Randolph-Macon College be invited through their representative, the Rev. John Early, to send an agent, whenever they may judge it most suitable, to obtain donations within the Conference in aid of the institution; and that Brother Early be, and he is hereby, invited to take up contributions. "(Signed) JNO. HOWARD, "Sec'y Georgia Conference." The nominees named above were elected Trustees of the College. Rev. I. A. Few and Rev. L. Pierce were, by resolution of the Board, requested to act as agents for the College in the Boards of the Georgia Conference for securing funds for the College. Rev. Robert G. Loving, A. B., was elected assistant teacher in the Preparatory School. Rev. John Early was appointed Agent for the College in the place of Rev. H. G. Leigh, resigned, and Rev. W. A. Smith was appointed Assistant Agent in place of Rev. William Hammett who had signified his intention to resign. | 02/23/19 10:31:01 |
| [POYTHRESS] Al's find of John C Poythress as 1 of Trustees Randolph Macon College estab.Re: Re: Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 4) | Barbara Neal | Thank you, Lyn, for your 4th posting of Methodist records from VA's Mecklenburg Circuit! Al, and all, I was putting this email together while you were posting your further email about "Founding of Randolph-Macon College." I had looked at the link to the book you plan to purchase about the History of Randolph-Macon College, to find out the date for John C Poythress being selected as 1 of the 4 original Trustees establishing Randolph-Macon College. That part of the book (going back to the previous page) quotes, at the first meeting of the college's Board of Trustees on 5 Feb 1833, the communication as having come from the Georgia Conference, located in LaGrange, GA, which named John C Poythress & 3 others --one of whom was Seaborn Jones. [side-comment: I'm unfamiliar with Seaborn Jones, but wonder whether perhaps his name is unique enough for a Jones, to find whether he may have been kin to the Jones family that Lyn, Julie, and others have found in VA.] I'm intrigued at John C Poythress being known to the "Georgia Conference located in LaGrange, GA." Perhaps he was just known to the Georgia Conference due to his prominence and being active in Methodism, realizing the then-population of GA was not vast. It would however be neat if that "LaGrange" locational thread might help connect back to VA roots, one of the elusive Poythress men in GA: Joseph A Poythress. I note that LaGrange, GA is in Troup County, which is north of Columbus, at the far western side of Georgia. Troup County is where, by 1830, Joseph A and wife Mary Poythress were located; he was a wealthy owner of land and slaves. (This is the couple who were parents of what Maynard referred to as a very dysfunctional family.) In the Troup Co, GA 1850 Census, we learn that Joseph, 62, was born in GA, so apparently born about 1788. In Dec 1812 (before his Apr 1814 marriage to Mary King at her father's home in Warren Co), we first saw (single) Joseph as the highest bidder buying 82 acres of land seized from Henry Jones in Warren Co, GA, which is not far west of Augusta, GA, and not far northwest of Burke Co, GA. In 1820-21, Joseph was a Lieutenant in the GA Militia. Apparently Methodist, Joseph was a founding trustee in 1831, and president of trustees, for LaGrange Female Academy. [From the LaGrange College website (lagrange.edu) on 26 Aug 2009: LaGrange has retained Methodist ties throughout its history. Today LaGrange College is part of the North Georgia Conference of the United Methodist Church.] Meanwhile, of John C Poythress: John C was "John Carter Poythress" -- son born in 1796 of Major George's then-wife Hetty Carter. George, who went to GA from VA, and later was also found in the panhandle of the Florida Territority, was likely born between 1752 and 1760. He was in Wilkes Co, GA [NW of Augusta] by Sept 1791; he was age "45+" in the Laurens Co, GA 1820 Census [halfway across the state, between Savannah and Columbus]. In Burke County (not far south of Augusta, GA and much farther east in GA than LaGrange) George held many prominent positions including Justice of the Inferior Court, Dec 1806-1810; Sheriff elected Fall 1805; one of Burke Co's 3 members of the GA House of Representatives in 1804-1806. Both George and John C appear in various records in Florida, then a Territory, in the court house at Marianna, Jackson County, FL. It was in Jackson Co, FL in Loose Papers at the court house, where years ago, I found the will of George Poythress, which he signed 6 Apr 1829, & which was recorded 19 Jul 1832, noted as being recorded in Will Book E, Territory of Florida, County of Jackson. In his 1829 will, George appointed his son John C Poythress and his friend James W Exum as Executors, leaving his Burke Co, GA land to said son, and leaving his Jackson Co, FL to be managed by the Executors for the benefit of his daughter, Mary Elizabeth Mandell [in Jan 1827, she married her first husband, Addison Mandell] during her life, and to her child or children and their heirs, stipulating that if she died leaving no child or children living, then that estate he bequeathed "to such children of my Brother Lewis of the State of Virginia as may be living at the death of my Daughter." Barbara | 02/23/19 12:40:32 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 4) | Lyn Baird | Al, yes, I will plan to provide you a compilation of these posts when done. And, yes, locating the meeting houses on a 19th century map should be interesting. One alternative that I like is the 1864 confederate engineering map of the county: https://www.loc.gov/resource/gvhs01.vhs00357 I find some of these meeting houses are marked on this map. I find Rehoboth, Zion, Providence, Salem, Kingswood and Canaan. I do not find Sardis. It should be right about where the mapmaker notes "Marengo P.O.". If another researcher finds Sardis on this map, please let us know where it is. --Lyn | 02/28/19 6:41:14 |
| [POYTHRESS] Edmund Taylor witness to James Taylor Mecklenburg Co, VA 1810 deed/indenture | Barbara Neal | For our collective info: Edmund Taylor was brother to Rebecca B Taylor who was the 2nd wife of Lewis Poythress. He is a witness in this Mecklenburg County, VA deed (indenture) mentioned below, which was made in April 1810. John W Pritchett's digital book, Southside Virginia Genealogies, p.2952, shows James Taylor (sibling of the elder Goodwyn Taylor, and son of Thomas Taylor and Penelope Goodwyn) with no birth year and with death year of 1808, with no citation for the year of death. We know he died prior to 3 Apr 1810: his son James Taylor, as Executor of his Last Will and Testament, made an indenture 3 Apr 1810 (for which one of the witnesses was Edmon Taylor) selling to Samuel Goode for $500 a certain parcel in Mecklenburg on the east side of Flat Creek consisting of 100 acres more or less, bounded in part by Goodwyn Taylor's line. Barbara | 03/02/19 3:07:12 |
| [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Co VA 1772 Deed Abstract Thomas Taylor to James Taylor | Barbara Neal | For our collective info, this below property MAY (or MAY NOT) be the property which contained the 100 acres referred to in the email I just posted captioned, "Edmund Taylor witness to James Taylor Mecklenburg Co, VA 1810 deed/indenture" From the 1991 comb-bound book published by T.L.C. Genealogy in 1991 in Miami Beach, FL, titled "Mecklenburg County, Virginia Deeds, 1771-1776 (Deed Books 3-4)" comes this abstract of a deed for land on Flat Creek: Deed Book 3, p.541. Nov 13, 1772 from Thomas Taylor of M(ecklenburg), to James Taylor of M, for 180 £, a certain tract of land of 210 acres in M, and bounded by the Mill Branch, Thomas Dunn, Flat Cr(eek), Thomas Taylor, Goodwyn Taylor, the edge of the low grounds. Signed - Thomas Taylor. Wit(nesses) - Lewis Parham, John Lucas, William Poythress. Recorded Mar 8, 1773. Barbara's note made 9 yrs ago in my genie program, "As of 31 May 2010, it is hard to know which William Poythress may have been the correct witness for this will, but for now (after I have referred to Diana Diamond's work) I am presuming it was the William Poythress, who was to have been put on Batte's Chart Section B, which chart was never made by him." Barbara | 03/02/19 3:09:57 |
| [POYTHRESS] Important Taylor finds by Julie today; thanks | Barbara Neal | Excellent, Julie! Thanks so much for finding these. I'm making a record of these Taylor items you found today for the Poythress List, WITHOUT any attachments so we have an email for the List Archives. Julie when you identify Book & Page for each of these 3 items, please do it as a response to THIS email; thanks so much Barbara | 03/02/19 3:20:12 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress mailing list -- archives searches | Albert Tims | List Members, Just a quick reminder that Rootsweb mailing list archives are searchable. Some are still in the process of being migrated to a newer database system, so we can’t expect the searches to fully capture all prior posts. https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/ The Poythress list was launched in the early days of surname mailing lists but all we have right now are posts from 1998 or so. You can access the Poythress list here: https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/poythress.rootsweb.com/2019/3/ The search engine is not especially robust but you can enter more than one term and expect the search engine to bring up posts with those terms somewhere in the post. There is no way I know at present to enter a specific time frame or other boolean searches. Even so, the mailing list archive is a very useful resource. I’ve also added a link to the mailing list archive to the homepage of the Poythress website (lower right corner). www.poythress.org | 03/04/19 2:47:27 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Poythress mailing list -- archives searches | Barbara Neal | Thanks Al, for letting us all know of these current helps. Though I'm tied up on a non-genie matter today & tonight, I took a few minutes to check it out. As a test I used the Poythress-List search to just search on ONLY the first-name of dear Maynard, and saw quickly that more than 2,000 of the archived emails include his name;) Thanks for all your good work maintaining our Poythress research website at poythress.org as well as this Poythress Surname Mailing List. (I'm now doing a test by sending this email to the List to see if my personal settings are such that I'll get a copy of my own emails to the List.) Barbara | 03/05/19 11:58:05 |
| [POYTHRESS] Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 5) | Lyn Baird | This is the fifth post about a transcription of membership and baptism records of Methodist “classes” on the “Mecklenburg Circuit” of the Virginia Methodist Conference, touching from the 1830’s into the 1870’s. This post treats the Zion congregation. The Zion Methodist church meets at 3055 Busy Bee Road, South Hill, Virginia 23970 [36º 42' 49.9" N (36.713872); 78º 14' 10.9" W (-78.236307)]. This is about 11.8 miles by road northwest of Sardis, in what is historically the Union Level community of east-central Mecklenburg County. From /Life by the Roaring Roanoke/ [Susan Bracey, 1977], p 110: “Camp meetings, prolonged revival meetings, were held at Zion Chapel, at present Union Level. Although the exact age of Zion is unknown, it was in existence by 1802 when [Francis] Asbury spoke there. According to tradition, camp meetings there dated back to 1790. However, the earliest definitely known camp meeting was held there in October 1812 when [John] Early and others attended and preached…Zion was probably chosen as the location for the camp meetings because the surrounding terrain was so level. […] During the summer of 1828 a committee appointed by the [Virginia Annual] Conference met at Zion for the purpose of choosing a location for a Methodist college for men. Boydton was chosen, and Randolph-Macon College was built. Although remodeled in 1897, Zion still has its original foundation, framing and timbers.” I gather that, similar to Sardis and Rehoboth, Zion has always met at or near its present location. In the transcription I find the following years associated to Zion: 1842, 1844, 1850, 1851, 1852, 1854, 1855, 1856, 1858, 1859, 1863, 1866, 1868, 1869, 1870, 1873, 1874, 1876. With Zion I find four entries, as follows: Page 284, section 6661, John L. Poythress, married, Zion Class 1859 Page 316, section 7445, John L. Poythress, married, Zion Class 1863, “Removed without certificate” Page 351, section 8334, John L. Poythress, married, Zion Class 1866 Page 410, section 9675, infant children (2) Portress [sic], Baptism 1858 by B.C. Spiller, “Children of John L. Portress” I propose these four entries point to John L. Poythress, progenitor, born ca 1829 in Virginia, died 1905 in Franklin County, North Carolina. John L. is the only Poythress progenitor I have found in these Mecklenburg Circuit records. So this seems a good opportunity to rehearse what I find about him in our Poythress list archive, public records cited there, and a bit of my own research. John’s middle name is typically cited as “Lewis” or “Louis”, however I am so far unaware of a source for this. In all the public records I have for him, his name is given as “John L.,” so I will refer to him in this way. Sometime before 1856 John L. married Tabitha Ann Nunn (ca 1838 – 1907), marriage year and location so far not recovered. (Tabitha Ann Nunn is listed as “Tabitha A” in the 1860 census, as “T Ann” in the 1880 census, as “Bitha” in the 1900 census, and as “Ann Nunn” in the 1955 death certificate of her daughter, Fannie Courtney Gupton.) John L.’s parents are often given as Edward Poythress and Mahala (Mahaley) Nance, as if proven, but to my knowledge no proof of John L.’s parentage has been found. However, I do consider Edward and Mahala to be the best available candidates for his parents. For parents of Tabitha Ann Nunn, I suggest as candidates Joshua Nunn (born ca 1812, Mecklenburg County, Virginia) and Mary Chandler (born ca 1814, Granville County, North Carolina). Joshua and Mary were married 1835 in Granville. I suggest them as candidates because: a) Age, location and other children of Joshua and Mary fit well. b) In my online search of available records of the likely “border counties” of Virginia and North Carolina, no other promising candidates turn up. c) In the 1880 census Mary is listed as “Mary C.” d) Sarah Poythress – list member, researcher and descendent-in-law of Tabitha Ann Nunn – in a 10/27/2002 Poythress list message states, “…I was told that her mother was Mary Chandler…” The “Children of John L. Portress” recorded in the Mecklenburg Circuit transcription as baptized in 1858 were almost certainly Joshua E., born ca 1856 and Susan A., born ca 1858, as per the 1860 census, which lists also a third child, Virginia L., born 1860. In that census, the residence of John L. and family is given as Union Level Post Office, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. John L.’s membership in the Zion Church would be consistent with their residence in the Union Level area. In the 1901 pension application of John L., he states that in May 1861 he enlisted in Company F of the 14th Virginia Regiment of Confederate States troops, and that “he continued in the service until the surrender of Gen’l R. E. Lee.” It would appear that John L. and family removed to North Carolina soon after John L. returned from the war. A fourth child, Fanny, is shown as born Virginia 1864. A fifth child, John William, born 1866, and all accounted later children, appear in subsequent census records as born in North Carolina. And the Zion Church records appear to be consistent with this timing of the family’s move south. So far as I am aware, no record of the family has been found in the 1870 census. As of the 1880 census the family resides in Louisburg Township of Franklin County, North Carolina. Combining the census records with the information Sarah Poythress provided in 2/17/1998 and 2/23/1998 Poythress list messages, along with some guesswork and judgment, I account for ten children born to John L. and Tabitha Ann Nunn Poythress, as follows in order of birth: Joshua E. (1856), Susan A. (1858), Virginia Louise (1860), Fanny Courtney (1864), John William (1866), Joseph Sidney (1869), Otelia M. (1872), Alice Oliver (1875), Mary G. (1877) and Pattie G. (1881). The earlier four were born in Virginia and the later six in North Carolina. Sarah’s information included two additional names – “Anna” and “Molly” – no birth years given, and Sarah’s information does not include Susan A. Might it be that Susan A. and Anna are the same person? As for Molly, that name is often a diminutive for Mary. Sarah’s 2/23/1998 message cites both Molly and Mary G., but, failing to find a way to fit Molly in, I leave her as a possible, but not accounted, eleventh child. As of the 1900 census the family resides in Hayesville Township of Franklin County, North Carolina. Living next door is son Joseph and family. Although I have not found death records for John L. or Tabitha Ann, the received understanding is that John L. passed in 1905 and Tabitha Ann in 1907. (The existence of an obituary for one or both has been suggested, as I recall, but I am not aware that an obituary for either has been recovered.) Both are buried at New Bethel Baptist Church Cemetery, Epsom, North Carolina. This is on the boundary between Vance and Franklin Counties. (Note that Vance County was formed from Franklin, Granville and Warren Counties in 1881.) Photos online of the graves show that there are grave markers, but these appear to be of much later origin. In her 2/23/1998 Poythress list message, Sarah Poythress states, “I understand there are no markers, just rocks.” Likely this was indeed the original situation for their graves. John L. and Tabitha Ann have not been subjects of research for me, and there may be more to learn about them. I am not aware of, and have not myself searched, deeds or wills for them. I welcome any corrections or additions that descendants and other researchers may provide. This concludes the Poythress relations I have found in this Mecklenburg Circuit transcription. Comments, corrections and additions are welcomed on the information provided in these five posts. --Lyn | 03/14/19 4:04:14 |
| [POYTHRESS] Lombardy Grove | Lyn Baird | Al, thanks for that encouragement. I found the connection between Zion Church and Randolph-Macon College interesting. I will work with you on the side to get whatever you like onto poythress.org. Regarding your side question, I believe you are asking about the Lombardy Grove tavern. Kindly have a look at http://sovahomefront.org/_site_lombardygrove.php and let me know if this is the same property. This article explains that the tavern took its name from the community, which took its name from William Baskervill's plantation, but that the Lombardy Grove tavern was not a Baskervill property. Tavern owners are cited as Apperson, Jones and Lockett. I am not aware of any Poythress properties in the Lombardy Grove or Union Level communities. My ancestor, Thomas M. Poythress, enlisted in the army at Lombardy Grove, as did many others. That is the only Poythress connection to Lombardy Grove that I am recalling. I wish I could be of more help on that. --Lyn | 03/15/19 4:41:04 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 5) | Albert Tims | Lyn, You are right — I thought it might have been the tavern but couldn’t make the connection. I wonder why it is not on a historical register and a target for restoration — the plank road was pretty important in the early economic history of the region. If you have the 1850 Federal Census for Mecklenburg (98th Regiment) you’ll find Charles Baskervill (Merchant) in household 133 and David Poythress (Overseer) in household 134. I think that is more than a coincidence. And I found this reference to the old Baskervill family cemetery (see below). It tends to confirm my believe that Lombardy Gove was build by a Baskervill. I can send you an image from the census record via a direct communication (can’t do attachments on this list) if you’re interested in more details. I suspect this census record puts David somewhere near Lombardy Grove — perhaps more can be gleaned from knowing the boundaries of the 98th Regiment. LVA Titled Files: Survey Report, Baskerville cemetery: 1937 Sept. 14 Research made by Susie P. Barnes Cemetery Location: 5 miles south of South Hill, Virginia on Route #630. Cemetery is in the corner between Route #630 and Route #1. Mecklenburg County, Virginia. It is also noted in another WPA survey of the home Lombardy Grove (built by William Baskervill in 1790), "that a broad brick walk with trees on either side, was, until recent years, all the way from this home to that of Charles Baskerville's son of William Baskerville, about one quarter of a mile away. The Lombardy Grove Cemetery was between the two homes." This cemetery was called the Old Baskerville Cemetery in the WPA survey of cemeteries. My theory (starting to come back to me a bit) was/is that David Poythress was employed by Charles Baskervill — who at some point not long after 1850 moved to Mississippi. And subsequently David and family moved to North Carolina where he became an overseer for Welden Edwards — a well-connected major planter in Warren County. I detail some of this in this post to the website: http://poythress.org/2017/10/12/david-poythress-connection-to-weldon-edwards-property-in-warren-county-north-carolina/ I’m not making a case yet, but trying to determine if this might be worth a deeper dive. Your recent post triggered something or the other about this line of inquiry;) Best, Al | 03/15/19 6:26:37 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 5) | Lyn Baird | Yes, Al, this is interesting to pursue. Regarding "Lombardy Grove was built by a Baskervill": From my reading of http://sovahomefront.org/_site_lombardygrove.php there is Lombardy Grove the tavern, and separately, Lombardy Grove the Baskervill plantation house. It is Lombardy Grove the tavern, the house in your initial side question (4764 Plank Road), that I understand this article to be saying is not a Baskervill home. I would tend to take note of this, knowing that Carol Corker, who co-wrote this, would be very knowledgeable and a careful researcher. In Bracey's Life by the Roaring Roanoke there is on p. 191 a picture of Lombardy Grove the plantation house. It appears to be a different house than Lombardy Grove the tavern. That aside, I agree that the adjacency of David P to Charles Baskervill, and the adjacency of Charles Baskervill to William Baskervill certainly make it plausible that David lives near Lombardy Grove (plantation) as of 1850. | 03/15/19 7:59:44 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 5) | Albert Tims | Lyn, Thank you. Again! Both the detailed documentation work you’ve done and your sleuthing of likely relationships are making important new contributions to solving the mysteries of Poythress family lines in and around Mecklenburg. I want to do justice to your efforts when we post on the website. Once we locate these congregations in relation to know Poythress properties I think the dimensions of the community may come into sharper focus for those of us who’ve never visited the area. I have a sidebar question you may be able to answer. For some reason I have lost track of, I have the impression that their might be a Poythress or closely allied family connection to a now abandoned (but still standing) property at the Northwest corner of the intersection of 651 (the old Plank Road) and 664 (Union Level Road). It is a two story frame with a tin roof and brick fireplace. The Google map street view shows it overgrown but an adjacent farm field seems to still be in cultivation. There is a small Quick Fuel gas station on US 58 which nearly converges with Plank Road at the Union Level Road intersection. This is a long way of asking if you know anything about this property that might make it meaningfully connected? Are there any Poythress homesteads nearby? Was it part of a larger property holding by the Baskerville family or other large landholders in the 18th and early 19th centuries? As I said, I have this property flagged but can’t find my notes about why;) Perhaps it is no more significant than being on the main route out of town. I’m also interested in Lombardy Grove because I believe David Poythress may have owned property not too distant from that noteworthy home. Best, Al | 03/15/19 8:15:24 |
| [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg Co, VA Marriages 1811-1853 Poythress, Standley/Stanley & Tucker | Barbara Neal | The below info I'm transcribing for our list reference today is from "Marriage Records 1811-1853 Mecklenburg County, Virginia" compiled by the Prestwould Chapter (in South Hill, VA), Daughters of the American Revolution. My version of this source is a set of a very few pages photocopied from this volume, which copies, my pencil notes show, I received from Lyn P Baird on 7 Apr 1999. I realize the copies, or perhaps the entire book, may have earlier been acquired by Lyn's mother, Bea nee Poythress Baird. Unfortunately, my version of the source is only several photocopied pages -- all from the section in order by the groom's surname. POYTHRESS surnamed entries, including four POYTHRESS grooms and two POYTHRESS brides, (and just a few other photocopied entries of interest) in the volume are further below. No TAYLOR or DORTCH photocopied pages are included in this set of photocopies received in 1999. The Foreword gives great info about all the records from which the marriages were collected. It was written by Katherine Blackwell Elliott, Regent, and Olive Yancey Vassar, Chairman General Records. My typed transcription below, of the Foreword, has spelling and punctuation as shown in the book. The word "chirography" is not one I was familiar with, and in typing this today, my online search found its first definition by Merriam-Webster as handwriting, penmanship. The Foreword, on p.5, reads, in full: The marriage records in the following pages have been copied fom marriage bonds, marriage licenses, consents, minister's returns of marriages performed by them, loose papers and other records now in the Clerk's Office of Mecklenburg County. In addition, other loose papers of the county, deposited with the Virginia State Library, have been examined. Every effort has been made to locate and collect all of the marriage records of the county between the years of 1810 and 1854 in order to bridge the gap in existing records of the county. The vital statistics of the county begin with the year 1854. There is in the Clerk's Office a volume of marriage bonds for the years 1765 - 1810, but there are no complete records for the years 1811 - 1853. The marriage bonds were abstracted by Mr. John Y. Hutcheson of Boydton, Virginia, in 1924. These abstracted records were copied by the late Stratton Nottingham of Accomac, and published by him in 1928. They are the only records of Mecklenburg County ever published. There is in the Clerk's Office a volume of the returns of ministers, but this volume is far from complete and the entries end in November 1841. Among the loose papers, we found some returns of marriages which have not been entered in the book of minister's returns. In compiling these records, every item deemed of value has been included in order that the records may be as complete as possible. Some items of extraneous value may be listed but, if so, they were included in our desire to have the records as complete as possible. Where there was a variation in spelling between the marriage bond and that given in other records, the spelling in the marriage bond has been used. Because of the condition of some of the papers, names and dates in some cases have been hard to decypher; and, too, the chirography of some of the ministers was, to say the least, difficult to read. We found some marriage records which had not been included in the two volumes of available records. These have been included in a supplement. Some of the variations in the spelling of family names have been included in the addenda. We acknowledge with appreciation the courtesy shown us by Mr. N. G. Hutcheson, Clerk, and his staff. They made available to us every record now preserved by the county. Katherine Blackwell Elliott, Regent Olive Yancy Vassar, Chm. Gen. Records = p.137 lists marriages of 4 Poythress surnamed men as follows, with "M.B." as an abbreviation for Marriage Bond. [Note: I am putting the dates in genealogical format of day, month-abbreviated, and year, rather than in full-month, day, and year as they were typed for the book]: - POYTHRESS, David [and] Mary Speed Dortch; M.B. 17 Dec 1827; Surety Isaac Taylor; Consent: Ann Dortch, mother of Mary Speed - POYTHRESS, Edward [and] Mahaley Nance; M.B. 2 Nov 1828; M. 10 Dec 1828; Minister James Smith; Surety William Drumwright - POYTHRESS, Lewis [and] Martha E. Walker; Minister James McAden; M. __ Jul 1846 - POYTHRESS, Lewis Y. [and] Mary C. Ferguson; M.B. 20 Jul 1846; Surety William A. Dortch = p.157 includes the following 2 men who could potentially be siblings or otherwise related, despite the slight variance in spelling their surnames: - STANDLEY, Benjamin [and] Rebecca L. Poythress; M.B. 22 Jan 1832; Surety David Poythress; Minister James McAden; Consent Lewis Poythress, father of Rebecca - STANLEY, Isham John [and] Bramley M. Lambert; M.B. 13 Oct 1834; Surety Martin F Lambert = p.170 includes: - TUCKER, James M. [and] Lucy R. Dortch; M.B. 20 Oct 1824; Surety Newman Dortch; Minister James Smith - TUCKER, John [and] Martha Jane Poythress; M.B. 16 Oct 1848; Surety J.S. Moss; Minister Thomas Adams; M. 18 Oct 1848; Consent David Poythress, father of Martha Jane | 03/16/19 1:17:49 |
| [POYTHRESS] Please let's include 2-letter state distinctions in our Subject lines | Barbara Neal | Those of us who've long been researching the Poythress line, are generally aware that when, for example, we write of "Mecklenburg County" we're LIKELY speaking of the one along the southern border of Virginia, or VA, versus the one in which Charlotte is located, in North Carolina, or NC. Since Poythress names crop up in the records of many states, some of which have counties of the same names that other states have, it would be a good habit for us to please form, to ALWAYS add the extra 2-letter abbreviation for the state about which we're speaking. This suggestion will help for our own clarity, and especially help new / future researchers, consulting our List emails. Thanks, all. Barbara | 03/16/19 3:57:31 |
| [POYTHRESS] For VA Richmond potential attendees of VGS Conference | Barbara Neal | I was just reminded that upcoming in 4 weeks, on Saturday 13 April 2019, in Richmond is the VGS (Virginia Genealogical Society) one-day annual Spring Conference. I will not be able to attend, but for those who might, you may enjoy knowing that this year's "Speakers include Judy Russell, aka The Legal Genealogist, and Craig Scott." Now available to VGS members, is the pdf version March 2019 issue of the Virginia Genealogical Society Newsletter, which contains an article by the above-mentioned Judy Russell, titled "Of DNA and Terms of Service." The VGS website is vgs.org. I'm confident info is available there regarding (QUITE-worthwhile) membership in VGS, as well as specifics about this year's Spring Conference. Barbara | 03/16/19 4:11:55 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress - Baskervill Records collection | Albert Tims | Lyn and List, Thank you Lyn for drawing the distinction between the Lombardy Grove tavern and it’s ownership and the similarly named Baskervill plantation. Based on the text of the document you linked us to in an earlier post, it would seem that this tavern was proximate to the Baskervill plantation lands (see below). And if the 1850 census showing David Poythress (occupation as Overseer) was in the adjacent home to Charles Baskervill, then perhaps we should dig a bit more into trying to establish a bit more about his relationship to the Baskervill property and the location of David’s home at the time. From this web page: http://sovahomefront.org/_site_lombardygrove.php "The community of Lombardy Grove appears on Madison's Map of Virginia dated 1818 and may have originated around the extensive plantation of that name, belonging to William Baskervill, Senior, clerk of court for Mecklenburg County, 1784-1814. His operation, which was about one mile south of Union Level Road, included a tannery, blacksmith shop, an ordinary, and a log store that also housed a post office established in 1807. Advertisements, maps, letters, and diaries indicate that Lombardy Grove was a busy community in the nineteenth century prominently located on major thoroughfares of the nineteenth century. Located approximately one-half mile north of Baskervill's home at the intersection of present day Union Level Road and Plank Road, was another plantation complex owned by Richard Apperson (????-1826). In 1828 William Jones purchased from the estate of Richard Apperson 504 acres that included "a valuable manufacturing Mill ... a Tavern and Store House on one of the most public roads in this part of the country ...," and 374 acres on the west side of Miles Creek. Jones was apparently living on the site prior to his purchase, possibly as the operator, according to an advertisement dated October 17, 1826 that stated "Mr. William Jones, living on the land, will show it to any person who will call on him." Mr. Jones was granted an ordinary license in 1828. At some point after his purchase the post office was relocated from the store at Baskervill's to the store on the Jones property. The mill, which appears as Jones' Mill on the 1864 Confederate Engineers Map, was located a short distance west of the tavern, near the present-day Lake Gordon Department of Game and Inland Fisheries boat launch at the intersection of Union Level and Gordon Lake Roads.” With this line of study in mind, I wonder if this microfilm collection might be a useful point of departure? I am going to see if there is a circulating microfilm I might acquire on loan. Are you aware of any historical accounts in the local library or elsewhere in Mecklenburg? We can see in the description of Reel 4 that the microfilmed documents include land papers, deeds, leases, correspondence — including some involving Charles Baskervill. A Guide to the Microfilm Edition of Records of Ante-Bellum Southern Plantations from the Revolution through the Civil War General Editor: Kenneth M. Stampp Series M Selections from the Virginia Historical Society Part 5: Southside Virginia. Compilation © 1996 by Virginia Historical Society. All rights reserved. ISBN 1-55655-561-X. Reels 2–4 Mss1B2924a, Baskervill Family Papers, 1747–1928 ... Reel 5 Mss1B2924a, Baskervill Family Papers, 1747–1928 cont. .. Mss1B2924b, Baskervill Family Papers, 1751–1904 ... Reel 6 Mss1B2924b, Baskervill Family Papers, 1751–1904 cont. .. Mss1B2924c, Baskervill Family Papers, 1785–1912 … Mss1B2924d, Baskervill Family Papers, 1787–1891 ... Reel 7 Mss1B2924d, Baskervill Family Papers, 1787–1891 cont. .. Reel 8 Mss1B2924d, Baskervill Family Papers, 1787–1891 cont. .. Mss2B2928b, Baskervill Family Papers, 1777–1896 Example: Reel 4 Mss1B2924a, Baskervill Family Papers, 1747–1928 cont. Papers cont. 0001 Section 15, William Rust Baskervill (1798–ca. 1884), Agreements with Laborers and Overseer, 1828 and 1865–1874. 50 frames. 0051 Section 16, William Rust Baskervill (1798–ca. 1884), Cancelled Checks, 1842–1865. 55 frames. 0106 Section 17, William Rust Baskervill (1798–ca. 1884) and Others, Legal Papers, 1789–1871. 21 frames. 0127 Section 18, Charles Baskervill and George Dortch Baskervill, Estate Inventories and Power of Attorney, 1827–ca. 1835. 12 frames. 0139 Section 19, Folder 1 of 10, Various Persons, Land Papers, 1747–1866, Deeds, Lunenburg County, Virginia, William Willice to George Baskervill, 1752. 4 frames. 0143 Section 19, Folder 2 of 10, Various Persons, Land Papers, 1747–1866, Deeds, Mecklenburg County, Virginia, A–Baird, 1818–1821. 8 frames. 0151 Section 19, Folder 3 of 10, Various Persons, Land Papers, 1747–1866, Deeds, Mecklenburg County, Virginia, Charles Baskervill, 1828–1834. 15 frames. 0166 Section 19, Folder 4 of 10, Various Persons, Land Papers, 1747–1866, Deeds, Mecklenburg County, Virginia, Baskervill, George–Baskervill, William Rust, 1810–1839. 14 frames. 0180 Section 19, Folder 5 of 10, Various Persons, Land Papers, 1747–1866, Deeds, Mecklenburg County, Virginia, Bridgforth–Delony, 1808–1827. 23 frames. 0203 Section 19, Folder 6 of 10, Various Persons, Land Papers, 1747–1866, Deeds, Mecklenburg County, Virginia, G–H, 1819–1835. 18 frames. 0221 Section 19, Folder 7 of 10, Various Persons, Land Papers, 1747–1866, Deeds, Mecklenburg County, Virginia, J–T, 1767–1833. 17 frames. 0238 Section 19, Folder 8 of 10, Various Persons, Land Papers, 1747–1866, Brunswick County, Virginia, Land Patent of John Letts, 1747. 4 frames. 0242 Section 19, Folder 9 of 10, Various Persons, Land Papers, 1747–1866, Leases, Mecklenburg County, Virginia, 1866. 12 frames. 0254 Section 19, Folder 10 of 10, Various Persons, Land Papers, 1747–1866, Writ of Ad Quod Damnum, Mecklenburg County, Virginia, 1833. 6 frames. 0260 Section 20, Various Persons, Miscellany, ca. 1794–1928. 49 frames. 0309 Section 21, Various Persons, Printed Matter and Business Cards, 1839–1906. 38 frames. 0347 Section 22, Item 1880, Various Persons, Volumes, 1784–1897, Dr. Robert Dortch Baskervill, Account Book, 1862–1899. 123 frames. 0470 Section 22, Item 1881, Various Persons, Volumes, 1784–1897, William Baskervill, Account Book, 1784–1788. 21 frames. 0491 Section 22, Item 1882, Various Persons, Volumes, 1784–1897, William Baskervill, Account Book, 1799–1803. 113 frames. 0604 Section 22, Item 1883, Various Persons, Volumes, 1784–1897, William Baskervill, Account Book, 1803–1804 and 1831. 28 frames. 0632 Section 22, Item 1884, Various Persons, Volumes, 1784–1897, William Rust Baskervill (1798–ca. 1884), Farm Journal, 1853–1874. 6 frames. 0638 Section 22, Item 1885, Various Persons, Volumes, 1784–1897, William Rust Baskervill (1798–ca. 1884), Account Book, 1876–1880. 11 frames. 0649 Section 22, Item 1886, Various Persons, Volumes, 1784–1897, William Rust Baskervill (1798–ca. 1884), Account Book and Farm Journal, 1818–1830. 24 frames. | 03/16/19 9:38:18 |
| [POYTHRESS] LOC 1860 Map of Mecklenburg County | Albert Tims | List, This is an interesting resource for those of us seeking to better understand Poythress and allied family locations in relation to church congregations, communities and one another. The map was generated around 1860, a bit later than some of the Poythress families had already moved away but it does show allied family locations, location of churches, main roadways, ferries, etc. Easy to zoom in for a closer inspection. What I note first, is that it seems to show the relationship of the (still standing) Lombardy Tavern and the Baskervill properties at that time. It also shows several of the churches Lyn has recently studied. https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3883m.cwh00299/?r=-0.002,0.302,0.889,0.686,0 | 03/16/19 10:36:04 |
| [POYTHRESS] Marriage record: Edward Poythress & Mahaley Nance; Mecklenburg Co, VA | Barbara Neal | With GREAT thanks to Lyn for his 14 March 2019 email, captioned [POYTHRESS] Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 5), below I offer one bit of pertinent info: the abstract for the marriage of Edward Poythress and Mahaley Nance. In my continuing desire to have in our Poythress-list Archives all available info from pertinent sources, and suspecting that we don't have all of THIS source's POYTHRESS info in the Archives yet, today in a separate email, I'll post more marriages of our interest and potential interest, that are included in this source. This source likely has many additional entries that could help in Julie's and our current searches seeking ties between Mecklenburg County, VA families that can give us further clarity. Unfortunately, my version of the source is only several photocopied pages -- all from the section in order by the groom's surname -- which I received in 1999, Lyn, from you; I realize the copies, or perhaps the entire book, may have earlier been acquired by your mother. No TAYLOR or DORTCH photocopied pages are included in the set of photocopies I received in 1999. The source is: "Marriage Records 1811-1853 Mecklenburg County, Virginia" compiled by the Prestwould Chapter (copyright 1962, South Hill, Virginia), Daughters of the American Revolution. p.137 lists marriages of POYTHRESS surnamed men including Edward, with "M.B." as an abbreviation for Marriage Bond. [Note: I am putting the date in genealogical format of day, month-abbreviated, and year -- rather than in full-month, day, and year as typed for the book]: POYTHRESS, Edward [and] Mahaley Nance; M.B. 2 Nov 1828; M. 10 Dec 1828; Minister James Smith; Surety William Drumwright Barbara | 03/16/19 11:11:12 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Marriage record: Edward Poythress & Mahaley Nance; Mecklenburg Co, VA | Albert Tims | Barbara and List, In looking for a source for this book, I came across a companion book covering the period 1765 - 1810. So far, I can find only three libraries with copies. Marriage Records-1765-1810, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Collected and compiled by KAHERINE B. ELLIorr. South Hill, Va.: MRs. KAgnt.N B. Eworr, P. O. Box 353, 1963. 190 PP. $7.50 It appears to be searchable via Ancestry.com Bes > On Mar 16, 2019, at 12:11 PM, Barbara Neal > > Marriage Records 1811-1853 Mecklenburg County, Virginia | 03/16/19 12:36:04 |
| [POYTHRESS] 1796 Lewis Poythress deed in Mecklenburg, VA | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | Hi Poythress list, I have lots I want to tell you, & been making notes on paper of lots of comments I want to make from recent posts. Unfortunately I have limited screen time due to health stuff. I've been visiting Mecklenburg, VA & working with several people to try to actually pin on a map where Lewis Poythress lived. Right now, I can guess the area, based on neighbors on various deeds. This is the first of several deeds. My kids (ages 18-22) are helping me type things up. Here is a link to a map of Mecklenburg. Mostly for Blackridge, Bracey & Marengo areas, because that's the area I work with the most & am most familiar with. Each pin on the map comes from a record, and/or getting GPS coordinates. Several pins I got from interviews, then went with people who know the area well to get GPS coordinates. If you click on plat areas, I put pictures of the plats in the description boxes. Of course it's a work in progress, and the more people who help me, the better the map gets. I'm hoping to soon do some layers by 2 or 3 time periods. The last 3 months, most of my deeds & court records have been for about 1800-1830. Much of in the current map is 1840-1870's : https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1ThV1GAXRSTYTjCiLyq23EeQCZ70_yDTk&ll=36.6069812269359%2C-78.09046541994627&z=14 So I am trying to get Lewis Poythress on that map. He doesn't show up very much in land records. But others that married into the family like Taylors and Dortch are a little easier to track. I'm working on various charts to try to help. As I do, I'll send links to where I posted them in my blog, which is ad free, just for genealogy. Anything Poythress related, I'll also submit to the Poythress website. I also have several chancery cases I've been reviewing, to help me with earlier land & family connections for Poythress (& their friends & neighbors) Here's the first plat my kids helped me type up. I have this in PDF & Word docx file. More coming, Julie Cabitto _________________________________________________ 1796 Cleaton to Poythress deed Mecklenburg County, Virginia Deed book 1797-1799, pg 62 This Indenture made this Second day of March in the year of our lord Christ one thousand Seven hundred and ninety Six between John Cleaton and Cleaton his wife of the County of Mecklenburg of the one part and Lewis Poythress of the Same County of the other part Witnesseth that the John Cleton and his wife for and in Consideration of the Sum of one hundred and ninety Six dollars Current money of Virginia to them in hand paid or so provided for that they do hereby acknowledge themselves to be fully and intirely Satisfied therewith hath granted Bargained sold aliened released and Confirmed and by these presents doth for themselves and their heirs grant bargain Sell alien release and Confirm unto the Said Lewis Poythress and to his heirs or assigns forever one Certain tract or parcel of land lying and being in the lower end of Mecklenburg County on the waters of Great Creek Containing ninety eight acres be it the Same more or less and bounded as follows, towit, Beginning at a Sweet gum in Giles’s line on the great Creek thence a long his line to a poplar ash and maple chopt inwards on the long branch thence up the Said branch as it meanders to a Sweet gum on the Same on the Branch thence a new line to a Sweet Gum on great Creek on John Webb’s line, thence up the meanders of the Said Creek to the beginning To have and to hold the aforesaid tract or parcel of land with all the improvements woods under woods waters and water Courses thereon. Standing growing and being with all profits comodities Advantages and appertenances whatsoever to the Same belonging or any ways appertaining and also the reversion and reversions remainder and remainders thereof and every part and parcel thereof with their and every of their appurtenances unto the Said Lewis Poythress his heirs executors administrators or assigns to the only proper use and behoof of them the Said Lewis Poythress and his heirs executors Administrators or assigns forever and they the Said John Cleton and his wife for themselves and their heirs doth Covenant grant and agree to and with the Said Lewis Poythress his heirs and assigns that he and they may at all times hereafter peaceably and quietly hold and enjoy the the Said granted land and premises free from all incumberences whatever from all former Sales gifts mortgages rights of dower or any other incumberance whatever and they the Said John Cleaton and his wife and their heirs Shall and will warrant and forever Defend the title of the Said granted land and premises In witness whereof we have hereunto Set our hands and affixed our Seals day and date above written John Cleaton Sign’d Seal’d and Delivered In the presence of - Thomas Watson John Giles Edward Giles Junr Isham Nance Wm B Canton · Transcribed by: Julie Cabitto, 1 March 2019. Julie’s note: John Cleaton’s wife was never added in to this deed, just blank spaces where her name would have been added in later. -- *Julie Nielsen Cabitto* | 03/19/19 3:05:43 |
| [POYTHRESS] Land where Rebecca lived & poverty clarification Mecklenburg VA Chancery Ct #1824-084 | Barbara Neal | Thank you so much, Julie, for the citation of the will of Rebecca nee Dortch, who was widow of David Taylor. As Julie said, that Rebecca (nee Dortch) & David Taylor were the parents of two kids we know of: - Rebecca B Taylor (who was the 2nd wife of Lewis Poythress), and - Edmund Taylor. Julie & all, the below is one email (of 19 emails resulting from my quick search just now of Poythress List archived emails) using search term "1824-084." This one CORRECTS the name of the property owner on whose land Rebecca (nee Dortch) Taylor was living. And it sheds light on the "distressed circumstances" Rebecca was left in by husband David Taylor. = = PASTED HERE BY BPN FROM my 2.15.2007 message to the list: Subj: Re: [POYTHRESS] Transcribed info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit 1824-084 From: Barbara Neal Date: 2/15/2007, 5:38:36 AM A correction, an addition, & clarifications: Correction: In my introductory remarks, in my 14 Feb 2007 message where I transcribed a good bit of info from Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery suit 1824-084, I commented that among the depositions I was not transcribing was one of Wilson Walker who owned the land on which David Taylor his wife Rebecca Dortch lived. That land owner's first name was not Wilson; his correct name in the deposition was Henry Walker. Addition: There was a deposition taken from an additional Taylor: Thomas G. Taylor. For him, too, no relationship was stated. He stated that he was acquainted with David Taylor's "pecuniary situation" for many years, to the day of his death. He agreed that David Taylor was in very great financial distress & embarrassment. Further, he stated: "I myself had an Execution against him which was returned no effects, perhaps three or four years before his death." I understand that to mean Thomas G Taylor should have been paid something by David Taylor, but that the "execution" (possibly by the Sheriff) of that claim was returned as uncollectable due to David Taylor having no seizable/saleable property -- this "no effects." Further Thomas G Taylor said that David Taylor's widow Rebecca Taylor "told me herself that she was" in a distressed situation after her husband's death. He had heard her say that there was money due her from her Father's estate, "and that the reason why she had not prosecuted her claim was this -- that her brother David Dortch the representative of her father, was extremely kind in administering to her wants -- or words to that amount." Clarifications: - I have not been able to find in any of this case's documents ANY date for the death of David Taylor. - None of those deposed could recall the date of the bond David Taylor & Jones Taylor had given for David Taylor's purchases from David Dortch's estate sale. - There is also no mention in this case whether or not Dortch's administrators had pursued getting payment from Jones Taylor, who co-signed the bond with David Taylor. BPN = End of PASTED 2007 email O | 03/20/19 5:19:52 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 29 | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | Thanks Al, Yes, FamilySearch had to require sign in to see records, to meet contract agreements of various archive partnerships, since the records are visible free. FamilySearch accounts are free & always will be. I have Ancestry membership & only saw the index . I'll mail you the image. Julie | 03/20/19 5:39:43 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 30 | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | Thank you Barbara, I actually got another letter tray today for the pages I'm working on transcribing & taking genealogy extracts from, -including this chancery case you referenced. I've gotten lots of new info on Poythress & Taylor since you & I reviewed that several years ago. My treasures are being found in deeds & various depositions in multiple chanceries. Most info is going to be from the Marengo area & now probably Lombardy Grove, all in Mecklenburg County VA. I've also been drawing some relationship charts. When I think they look better, I'll share that too. I know it can't ever be done, but right now my note cards & chicken scratch wont make much sense to others. Then I'll share here & ask questions on the Mecklenburg, VA Poythress-Taylors. More coming soon! Julie Cabitto *Julie Nielsen Cabitto* | 03/20/19 5:54:23 |
| [POYTHRESS] FamilySearch & getting film # so we can each see the image | Barbara Neal | Yes, FamilySearch [dot org] has one sign up for a free account for the reasons Julie mentions below. Each time one looks at an image online there, a citation is available giving the "film name" with the "film number" from which the image-scan is taken, as well as an image number. Having the film number (&/or the film's title) is VERY helpful, so anyone can locate the same image. Thanks again, Julie. Barbara | 03/20/19 6:10:18 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 19 | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | Hi Poythress list with a copy to Barbara, Here are the sources for the 3 items I told Barbara about. All 3 are in Mecklenburg County, VA. 1) Rebecca Taylor's estate-will book 10, pg 305. Notes of interest to me: This Rebecca is the mother of Edmund Taylor & mother in law of Lewis Poythress. I had Rebecca's death date at about 1824 based on a chancery case where she died during the case. On the estate it shows two entries in May 1823 . It is in court concluding 16 May 1825. Also surprising to me was that the court stated the estate was in Lombardy Grove. Lyn Baird has been talking about that. And that tells me I need to look about a mile more northwest then where I was in plats & deeds. So she may have died as early as May 1823. I'll be transcribing & sharing this more soon. 2) will of James Taylor, where Edmund Taylor & Lewis Poythress were witnesses: will book 6, page 106 & 107 3) marriage for Edmund Taylor-what I found was an imagew of the bond on FamilySearch. Here is a link to that image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91S-59X3-5?i=227 Julie Cabitto | 03/20/19 11:16:54 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 19 | Albert Tims | Julie, This is fantastic! Thank you. As I noted earlier, we have David Poythress showing up in the 1850 census living in the adjacent household to Charles Baskervil of Lombardy Grove. I need to look more closely at who else might be nearby. The link to the image was blocked by a FamilySearch sign-in requirement but I will look on Ancestry too. Can’t thank you enough! Al | 03/20/19 11:46:16 |
| [POYTHRESS] 1825 Estate Transcription, Rebecca Taylor, Mecklenburg VA | Albert Tims | List, Julie Cabitto transcribed an important Poythress related estate record for Rebecca Taylor in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. This estate document mentions Rebecca Taylor, Lewis Poythress, Winn Thomas, James E. Poythress, Charles Baskervill (and brothers), Wm. G. Taylor, Thomas Suggett, Edmund Taylor (adm), William R. Baskervill, Jas. Taylor, Geo. D. Baskervill, Lombardy Grove, Clerk – Edw. L. Tabb. Court date: 16th day of May 1825. You can view or download a PDF of the transcription on the Poythress.org The direct link is: http://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-virginia/estate-of-rebecca-taylor-mecklenburg-county-va-1825/ | 03/22/19 7:11:23 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thomas Poythress Records in Virginia and Georgia | Hi Albert. Do you know if any members of the Poythress family have been involved in the 23andme autosomal dna program? I realize that if Francis Poythress was my 10th great grandfather (and his daughter, Rebecca, my 9th great grandmother) that it would most likely be a stretch for the autosomal dna to match Poythress dna with me at that distance but I would like to close that loop.....Mike Tutor | 03/24/19 7:54:07 | |
| [POYTHRESS] Thomas Poythress Records in Virginia and Georgia | Albert Tims | List, A recent review of older posts to this mailing list reacquainted me with this information rich and lengthy post (nearly 9,000 words) from Michael Tutor back in 2006. It is a study of Thomas Poythress of Martins Brandon, Prince George County, Virginia across four generations. The post includes considerable detail and has references to contributions and commentary from John (Maynard) Poythress (now deceased) and Barbara Poythress Neal. I have reformed the post a bit for easier reading on the website adding it to the family studies section of the Poythress website. As with all pages/posts to the website, it should be used as a research/study tool rather than authority. I believe revisiting some of the efforts from years past is important and that the aggregating significant information rich posts to the mailing list on the website will make the work more accessible than likely using a rudimentary keyword search of this mailing list’s archives. In any event — here is the direct link to Michael Tutor’s earlier work: http://poythress.org/family-studies/family-group-sheet-for-thomas-poythress-first-5-generations/thomas-poythress-sr-of-martins-brandon-prince-george-county-4th-generation/ | 03/24/19 10:31:02 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thomas Poythress Records in Virginia and Georgia | Albert Tims | Mike, terrific to hear from you! We (i) could use your help — I’ve been turning over rocks in pursuit of Rev. Francis Poythress’ ties to Rev. Devereux Jarratt, the Claiborne family and the establishment of Methodist congregations in southern Virginia, Carolinas, Tennessee and Kentucky. I recall that you did quite a bit of work on Rev. Poythress. At one point, Francis Poythress was a senior elder with 22 ministers working under his leadership and was largely responsible for the establishment of Asbury College (now university) in Jessamine County, KY (near Lexington). But back on topic: Barbara Neal has been a coordinator for Poythress surname participation at FamilyTreeDNA.com. We have a link to that study and additional information about the project on the Poythress.org website, but due to privacy concerns we are not publishing findings. I urge everyone to review this page and to contact Barbara about participation, if interested. http://poythress.org/links/dna-project/ I am involved in the 23&me DNA program, as are at least four Poythress who pop up as cousins but may not be subscribers to this mailing list right now. To the best of my knowledge we’ve never pursued 23&me in the Poythress community. There may be more on 23&me or FamilyTreeDNA we just haven’t heard about/from at this point. This 2014 mailing list post from Barbara shown below is the most ever shared in this forum or the website describing genetic evidence of Poythress lineage. Barbara Neal 2/24/2014, 11:30:18 AM Thanks for speaking up, Debbie. Yes, in our Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study, we did succeed in getting a sample submitted by one of the living British Poytress male descendants whose line has continued to live in England thru all these nearly 400 years. And his sample (11 generations down from John, who owned Ploddy House and who was father of both Francis who came to Virginia by 1633, and of Christopher, who stayed in England) gives DNA result-numbers remarkably similar to the results of most of our American Poythress participants (some of whom are now deceased). That similarity is shown in the results from your own family's male participant, Debbie, and my family's male participant. So yes, it's great to see that we are related to the Brit Poytress folk. (I continue to wish we could nail down all the father-to-son lines of descent here in America, to show exactly how closely or distantly we are cousins -- you and me, and so many others.) Our Poythress/Poytress Surname Y-DNA Study is discussed at our research website, poythress.net | 03/25/19 7:04:16 |
| [POYTHRESS] James Speed Family Study and Photos of Foxhall and Annie Poythress | Albert Tims | List, We have more new resources posted to the Poythress.org 1. Julie has shared a detailed family chart and account of property in Mecklenburg Co, VA associated with James Speed and family. http://poythress.org/family-studies/james-speed-1753-before-1822-immediate-family-chart-and-land-transactions-in-mecklenburg-va/ James Speed links to the Dortch family and thus to Sally Dortch who married David Poythress, among others. Julie’s flowchart is an excellent presentation. In addition, her new information includes the location and disposition of James Speed’s land. 2. In addition, Julie Cabitto secured permission from Jerry Poythress to share old family photographs of Foxhall Alexander Poythress (1887 - 1932) and his wife, Annie May (née Gunn) Poythress (1890 - 1966). http://poythress.org/image-galleries/foxhall-alexander-and-annie-may-poythress/ Based on information posted to the Find A Grave site, Foxhall was the son of William L Poythress and Anna J. Jones who were married on 20.Dec.1865, Mecklenburg County, Virginia. William was born circa 1843, Mecklenburg as the son of Thomas and Lucy Poythress. Anna was born circa 1844, Mecklenburg as the daughter of James B. and Martha Jones. We’d welcome additional family or homestead or family artifact photographs. | 03/25/19 7:51:16 |
| [POYTHRESS] Annual Minutes from 1800 of the Methodist Episcopal Church - Francis Poythress, Elder | Albert Tims | List, The history of Rev. Francis Poythress, including his family lineage, remains fragmented. He is mentioned in accounts of the establishment of Methodist congregations and even in correspondence by Bishop Asbury, but the accounts are, at best, cursory overviews and disaggregated. We know he had a sister named Susannah (or a variant) who took care of him late in life after his mental facilities failed and that she held considerable property in Jessamine County, Kentucky in the early 1800s. I lay out some of what has been established and speculated related to his family origin in this post to the website back in 2017: http://poythress.org/2017/09/08/reverend-francis-poythress-family-ties-closing-in/ and in these posts: http://poythress.org/?s=Rev.+Francis More recently, I’ve been looking at how Rev. Devereux Jarratt (sometimes spelled Jarrett) connects to Poythress both geographically and in terms of allied families. I’m finding promising information I hope soon to share more formally, but today wanted to share new (to me) information from the 1800 Minutes of the Annual Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church. These minutes document for us that Rev. Francis Poythress was a presiding elder responsible at that time for 23 preachers across 17 districts. I further note mention of Nathan Jarrett (perhaps Jarratt) who, I believe, is a relation of Devereux Jarratt (who mentored Rev. Francis Poythress in his youth). Poythress was admitted in 1776 and became a presiding elder in 1786. My sense is that his pioneering contributions to religious life in America remains largely unexamined. 1800 Francis Poythress, Presiding Elder. Morganton and Swanino, Josiah Philips, Samuel Ansley. Yadkin, Nathaniel Walker, John Ellis. Salisbury, Abner Henley, Jeremiah King. Haw River, Robert Wilkerson, Jesse Coe. Guilford, William Atwood, Jesse Cole. Franklin, Joseph Dunn, Billy Corr. Caswell, John Ray, John Gamewell. Tar River, Wm. Ormond, John Evans. Newbern, Benjamin Mathews. Goshen, John Moore. Wilmington, Nathan Jarrett. Contentney, John King. Pamlico, James Patterson. Roanoke, William Brittain. Mattamuskeet and Banks, Thos. Fletcher. According to the March, 1926 “Missionary Voice” (Methodist Church) magazine the first North Carolina circuit was formed in 1776 under the supervision of Edward Droomgoole, Francis Poythress and Isham Tatum. I am in the process of gathering all of the accessible archival documents from the United Methodist Church’s General Commission on Archives and History. We also need to visit the land records in Jessamine County, Kentucky and the early history of Bethel Academy and Asbury College (now University). In addition, we need to take a much closer look at the Poythress and allied family ties to Devereux Jarratt. And, of course, the lives of Luke Pryor and Susannah (Poythress) Pryor. The Claiborne and Tabb families in particular may be important linkages to Rev. Jarratt. My suspicion (no proof so far) is that Francis Poythress had a hand in helping establish some of the congregations Lyn Baird has described in recent posts and that the we may unravel more about the remaining gaps in our understanding of the Poythress families in the mid to late 1700s as we piece together more of the allied families and neighboring families to the Poythress, especially in Amelia, Brunswick, Lunenburg, Notaway and Mecklenburg and Prince George. | 03/25/19 9:38:41 |
| [POYTHRESS] DNA | AZ T Lily | Hello all, I haven't been on the email list for a long time. I did take the DNA test in Ancestry a while ago, and 23&Me most recently. Still trying to figure out the genetic part of the process. My Poythress line is out of Screven Co, GA. My brick wall has been William E Poythress born 1833 died 1907. I had my half brother tested for the Poythress Surname Project and didn't find an exact match, but a close one from what I remember for James Poythress in Gadsden FL. We did not have a close match to Bud or Maynard 's lines coming from Meredith Poythress Jr's group back then. With Ancestry's new Thru Lines I'm seeing matches to descendants of Thomas James Poythress thru his son, Lewis Poythress, and his daughter, Martha Elizabeth Amanda Poythress. I'm also seeing matches to a Mary Butts who first married a Wilder, then 2nd a Flake. It seems Mary could have been the mother of Hester Wilder Mock Poythress. My William E was found in the 1850 census for Screven county with Hester Poythress as head of household. So now I'm really wondering if William E was the son of Hester and Meredith Poythress Jr. I, too, think the more Poythress' that test, males and females, might help bring down some of these brick walls. I just keep researching, looking for new clues. Debbie Poythress-Concepcion | 03/26/19 11:51:57 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: DNA | Debbie Poythress Concepcion | Hello Al, Posting some of the youtubes I discovered over the past few weeks that I've shared in my Facebook Family Genealogy page that I created a couple of years ago. I have extended family members that are new to family research and I want to help them get started so that I don't "lost" all my work from the past 38 years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJYgmQRzyiI&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3aRoed-TLomRTlUkCVmC0d0I5rPpKqsPrAsHm_cqKXxlWkNOYY6Tm1FGA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqfB5dRK354&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1UbHD-nzloxWZy38gDfkh9aUC-fbA6JVcy5RrJzVhq28Fa-vDniH0OqNs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6dfGaWT8PU&feature=share https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBLm4phEWHk&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2-fxawzu5-Cg4mNvW3DYYmCFxz2tuxzxT3jbN0Jkz4fLCOtsG53yd993U With the new tools and technology I have a lot to learn to figure out how to use what's available and get some results. Ancestry has a youtube channel, so I go there alot to get new ideas. There is a Genetic Genealogy Tips and Techniques group that has a ton of information too. People will post their problems and people will give them advice on what has worked for them. In regards to the Poythresses, my 3 first cousins are listed. They are from my paternal uncles. I have a 2-3rd cousin, she descends from William E's younger son, brother to my Thomas Boston, who is the oldest. I have searched a bit for Poythress in the Surname box...the problem is not everyone has built out their trees as far as I have. I also use what most people call Quick & Dirty trees to gather information. I have several for different brick walls. Once I have enough proof for me that I'm on the right track, then I will add them to my main tree. It lets me work on hypothetical lines. I have had to build out trees from what little I find on some of these trees to find a connection, or discover another brick wall. For example. I was looking for Poythress, found this DNA match to me descends from Nathaniel Harper Poythress & wife, Rachel Flake...so I'm trying to figure out who Nathaniel is, and I remember we had talked about him back on the Poythress forum a long time ago, so I go to try to find what that was. Didn't find what I was looking for...his parents, I'm saying. So I go looking to see who Rachel's parents are cause I've seen Flakes before and just not sure of their connections. Well, while I was checking out this guy's tree for more details I find a surname that is an ancestor of mine from my maternal side...So, so far, we're possibly related from the paternal and maternal side. So from what I'm discovering, we're triple cousins - twice from the paternal and once from the maternal side. I'll do a screen print of Thomas James Poythress so you can see what I've been working on the past couple of days. [image: image.png] I'm listed under Meredith...which I don't know why cause he's not on my tree...but I'll show the list and not the relationships so you get a look of who I'm matching. [image: image.png] [image: image.png] [image: image.png] [image: image.png] It's time consuming, but if I find something that helps...then it's worth it. Like I said, I'm still learning. If you want to be added to my Facebook Family Genealogy page so we can all learn together, please send me a friend's request and I'll add you. Hope this helps. Debbie | 03/27/19 2:50:02 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: DNA | Albert Tims | Debbie, Wow! Thank you. I don’t know if the Rootsweb mailing list will display your images — if so, that would be a nice advance for the mailing list. Would you allow me to post a version of this note to the Poythress.org Best, Al | 03/27/19 2:55:29 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: DNA | Crystal Marvin | It may not be a bad idea for all to upload to gedmatch....that way we can narrow down the chromosomes Crystal Sent from my iPhone | 03/27/19 3:24:29 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: DNA | Debbie Poythress Concepcion | Absolutely! It's complicated at first to figure out what to look for but it starts to make sense after a while...just have to keep going over it every day..sometimes I have to watch the youtube numerous time then go to Youtube to find another video...but I'm excited about the possibilities...that's for sure! Hope it helps others to navigate the new terrain of DNA! Debbie | 03/27/19 4:40:20 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: DNA | Debbie Poythress Concepcion | That's next on my list. Found a video on that too. Have to figure out how 23andMe works as well...trying to fish in as many databases as possible to find more connections. Never know what you'll find. Thanks for the reminder..lol Debbie | 03/27/19 4:42:07 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: DNA | Barbara Neal | Good to see you again on the Poythress-List, Debbie. Thank you so much for explaining for all of us what your wider testing thru 23&Me has shown for you. It sounds like it offers many expanded and intriguing results beyond the Y-DNA testing of POYTHRESS-surnamed MALE-only testing that could benefit many of us in our Poythress family genealogical research. For the benefit of all of you: I'd be interested in learning who among you -- if anyone -- may have the time and the interest to fill a DNA-Group Administrator role for folk interested in analysis BEYOND the POYTHRESS-surname Male-only "Y-DNA" type testing. For that POYTHRESS-surname Male-only Y-DNA testing begun many years ago, I've tried to be the Group-Administrator. Many of the men who took that test have passed on now, so of course they are not available for any further tests. My own schedule does not permit consideration of trying to fill a coordination / reporting / discussion-leading role for wider-encompassing testing /results-study. Best to each of you! Barbara | 03/27/19 7:48:57 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: DNA | Albert Tims | Debbie, Great to hear from you and fantastic to learn how much you’ve garnered from the DNA studies. Are you able to share more about Ancestry’s new “Thru Lines” model? How many Poythress are represented? I am not aware of 23&me having anything similar that would allow me to see the lineages of others. I don’t know about FamilyTree DNA, which is the testing service used for the Poythress group. Barbara has posted as much detail about what has been learned — respecting privacy limitations — on the website page about DNA testing: http://poythress.org/links/dna-project/ Given that we have at least three different major providers of DNA testing (FamilyTree, Ancestry and 23&me) we may have some difficulty aggregating what has been learned. We might need to consult with an expert for advice, especially if there is renewed or growing interest in expanding what we can learn from the more sophisticated DNA testing now available. Al Tims | 03/27/19 8:17:51 |
| [POYTHRESS] Ancesty's DNA research techniques and tips | Albert Tims | List, We’ve created a landing page for the UTube videos Debbie Poythress Concepcion highlighted in her recent post to this mailing list. And a link to Ancestry’s UTube channel. http://poythress.org/links/family-history-dna-research-tips/ We can continue to add to this page and/or linked to updated tips as they come available, so please let us know if you see something you believe to be of value. | 03/28/19 1:04:14 |
| [POYTHRESS] Potential DNA ancestors | Debbie Poythress Concepcion | I have managed to review all the Potential Ancestors for my William E Poythress...my brick wall. I knew about Meredith Poythress Jr and his 2 wives – Hester Wilder Mock & Susanna R Maner, as this was Bud and Maynard's line. I was disappointed when we had my half-brother tested for the Poythress Surname project and didn't match exactly with Bud and Maynard. When I started reviewing my DNA matches, Thru Lines, had not been introduced so I was sorting thru the 1000+ matches I already had. When Thru Lines got introduced I started looking thru what I had. I was surprised to find Wm E had a Private mother listed. So I started looking at who her mother was and saw Mary Ann Butts, who had married twice. William Harry (Henry) Wilder and William Henry Flake. I saw Hester Wilder listed as a daughter and knew it had to be her...which led me to Meredith Poythress Jr. Now, just matching them with my line that has been tested...1st cousins and a 3rd cousin, that's not enough to tell me for sure that Meredith Jr is Wm E's father and Hester is his mother. I'm also matching to Mary Ann Butts' sister, Sarah Butts and her line. So, I keep looking. What I'm seeing is I'm matching to William Henry (Harry) Wilder, wife Mary Ann Butts, which would be siblings to Hester, 2 brothers and a sister's line. Thru William Flake, wife Mary Ann Butts, I'm matching to 2 more Flake half brothers. One happens to be Richard Scruggs Flake...I think this one's interesting because his daughter, Rachel Flake, marries Nathaniel Harper Poythress, and I match to her sister, Sarah Flake-Mock, and all 3 of Rachel's daughters, Effie Gertrude, Ester & Lessie D Poythress, of course, not finding conclusive proof who Nathaniel's parents are, but, I'm hearing that would be John White Poythress and his wife, Mary Ann Wilder...John White being the son of Meredith Jr and Hester Wilder. Mary Ann Wilder being the dau of John Hinson (Hensen) Wilder, Hester's brother...no wonder everyone's all confused about who they are related to. Feels like I'm going in circles, but I keep looking for more connections. I see another name I recognize – Cleaton...Meredith Jr's father is Meredith Poythress Sr and his wife is Edith Cleaton, Jr's mother...I'm matching to 2 of Edith's siblings a brother and a sister, which matches me to William Cleaton and Jane Poole, Edith's parents. Almost forgot the most important DNA match...Thomas James Poythress and his wife, Martha Patsy Cocke. I am matching 2 of Meredith Sr's siblings. Brother, Lewis Poythress and sister, Martha Elizabeth Amanda. So, it seems to me, that even though I only have one line, mine, from both Meredith Jr and Hester, I am off to a great start. I want more people on these lines and others that are direct links to be tested and see what we get from there. I'm happy to have gotten this far over the past week and a half. Debbie | 03/28/19 6:56:46 |
| [POYTHRESS] Kentucky Land Grants to Francis Poythress related to the founding of Bethel Academy | Albert Tims | Poythress List, The page below will require additional descriptive/historical documentation and eventual transcriptions, but it is an interesting addition related to land granted to Rev. Francis Poythress (and associates) in Kentucky for establishment of Bethel Academy in Jessamine County (approximate current location of Asbury University). The three grants captured here total nearly 6,000 acres - roughly 8 square miles of land. I’m not sure why we haven’t seen these before except for the fact that Poythress was spelled in the Kentucky database as Poythruss and the database is not easy to search. http://poythress.org/primary-records/deeds/poythress-land-grants-for-bethel-academy/ The Kentucky records database is here: http://apps.sos.ky.gov/land/nonmilitary/patentseries/vaandokpatents/Default.aspx The three land grants were made roughly between 1798 and 1800. This is the same period during which we find Susanna(h) (Poythress) Pryor relocate from Botetourt County in Virginia to Jessamine County i Kentucky — which was split off from Fayette County (Lexington area) about that time. I have not located a land grant for her or any other records related to the sale of land associated with her after her death or the disposition of her slaves. We have her in the 1810 census in Jessamine County with 24 slaves and a white male of an advanced age (presume to be Rev. Francis Poythress) living in her household. Her husband, Luke Pryor, appears to have died prior to her relocation to Kentucky from Botetourt County, Virginia. Historical accounts suggest that she would have been about 50 years of age in 1800. I wonder if she might have leased or been provided a homestead on the lands granted to Francis Poythress in light of his failing health circa 1800 or if there might have been some other accommodation. I have no proof of this but I posit it as a hypothetical that might reconcile her presence with the absence of any record of her ever owning property in the county. Jessamine county reports no loss of land records due to war, fires, etc. Bethel Academy was a single residential school building at the time and the current Asbury University campus is small - certainly far smaller than the 6,000 acres of land we see in these land grants. I also see that William Poythress was granted 4,000 acres of land in Kentucky for his Rev. War service but not all of those lands are represented in the Kentucky database. I’m not sure why not. Al | 03/29/19 9:42:42 |
| [POYTHRESS] Francis Poythress - Bethel Trustees Land Grants -- Update/correction | Albert Tims | List, In my excitement at finding the three land grants noted in my earlier message I made an unfortunate leap on two important facts and omitted a fourth land grant — I have updated the web page to reflect all four land grants. http://poythress.org/primary-records/deeds/poythress-land-grants-for-bethel-academy/ Now for my errors: 1. Reading the records with an eye toward transcriptions it became obvious that the land grants referenced Christian County and the Ohio River. Both are a long way from Jessamine County where the Bethel Academy was located — adjacent to the Kentucky River near Wilmore, Kentucky today. Moreover, a quick review of the history of Bethel Academy easily documents that it was already in operation by 1798, so these grants, at best, might have been for adjacent lands. But obviously that is not correct. Some of Bethel’s history was posted to the website: http://poythress.org/2017/09/08/reverend-francis-poythress-family-ties-closing-in/ There is no place where the modern boundaries of Christian County align with the Ohio River. But in the 1790s the county boundaries were still fluid. In 1796 it appears that Christian County was quite large and did have a northwestern border along the Ohio. http://www.mapofus.org/_iframe/ky-maps.htm By 1798, however, (assuming the dates on this source linked above is accurate), the county had been split so that Livingston and Hardin counties were sharing the lands that bordered the Ohio River, not Christian. The fact that the land grants to the Bethel Academy trustees were made after these new boundaries were drawn needs study. The more fundamental questions, aside from county lines still taking shape in these frontier regions, is why did Rev. Francis Poythress and his fellow trustees from Bethel Academy receive these land grants in the first place? Bethel Academy in Jessamine County was still a fledgling school, so the notion that they’d be awarded land grants somewhere along the Ohio River is difficult to understand — at least right now. I’d appreciate any insights those of you more familiar with land grants might be able to offer. I’m going to dig deeper into the early history of Bethel Academy. 2. My hypothesis about Susanna(h) Pryor, the sister of Rev. Poythress who located to Jessamine County from Botetourt County, Viriginia roughly during the timefrane of these land grants, is undoubtedly incorrect, for obvious reasons. I’ll continue to search, but so far all we have proven is that she lived in Jessamine County and became her brother’s caretaker. | 03/30/19 6:23:45 |
| [POYTHRESS] Reason for Bethel Trustee Land Grant -- documented | Albert Tims | List, It didn’t take long to find an explanation about the land grants to Rev. Poythress and his fellow trustees of Bethel Academy. This passage from Chapter 2, The Bethel Academy Story (pg. 18) in the Asbury Theological Journal, Fall 1994. ..., the land on which Bethel Academy was built was granted to the school only by a verbal agreement between John Lewis, the owner, and Bishop Asbury in 1790 and a verbal agreement between John Lewis and Rev. Francis Poythress, James Hord, Nathaniel Harris, and Andrew Hynes on May 16, 1794, (perhaps this date supports the fall opening of the school). A written deed was not drawn up until November 28, 1797, delivered to the Fayette County Clerk's office May 24, 1804, and recorded April 15, 1805." For several years the school operated without official endorsement by the state legislature. The act which recognized Bethel as an Academy, along with others, was passed on February 10, 1798, recognizing Francis Poythress, John Knobler [sic, Kobler is correct], Nathaniel Harris, John Metcalf, Barnabas M’Henry, James Crutcher, James Hord and Richard Masterson as trustees of the Academy. On the same day, the Legislature passed an act that granted to each academy named, including Bethel Academy, a tract of 6,000 acres west of the Green River. Each could sell one-third of the tract granted to pay for erecting buildings, buying books for a library or other necessary academic equipment.•• The land seemed to be a significant gift, but land was so plentiful in the state and prices so low that the expenses of the grant outweighed any gains. So, while the land grants are interesting historical artifacts linked to Rev. Francis Poythress, they seem unlikely to shed new light. Disappointed but undaunted;) | 03/30/19 6:56:09 |
| [POYTHRESS] Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 6) | Lyn Baird | This is the sixth and concluding post about a transcription of membership and baptism records of Methodist “classes” on the “Mecklenburg Circuit” of the Virginia Methodist Conference, touching from the 1830’s into the 1870’s. My findings indicate there are twelve Poythress descendants recorded in this transcription – five at Sardis, four at Rehoboth and three at Zion. All twelve of these, as I have proposed them, are known or candidate descendants of Lewis Poythress. This reinforces the evidence from the U.S. census and other public records that all Poythress descendants found in mid-nineteenth century Mecklenburg and Brunswick counties, Virginia, are of the Lewis Poythress branch. If one treats progenitor John L. Poythress as a candidate son of Edward Poythress, then the twelve Poythress descendants found in the transcription associate to four of the eight known and candidate children of Lewis Poythress, as follows: Edward (known), James E. (candidate), Sarah G. (candidate) and Thomas M. (known). Another (known) son of Lewis Poythress – John – passed away before this period, apparently childless. Because each of the other three known and candidate children of Lewis Poythress – David (candidate), Rebecca L. (known) and Lewis Y. (known) – resided for periods in Mecklenburg County, it would have been possible for them or their households to turn up in the transcription, but they are not found there. The situation in brief of each of these three is as follows: In the 1850 census David Poythress (born ca 1806 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia), his wife, Sally, and their children, compose household 134 of the 98th Regiment of Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Findings of researcher Albert Tims suggest this is in the Lombardy Grove area, which would have been accessible to the Zion congregation. In 1856 David and Sally sell what appears to have been their remaining land holdings in Mecklenburg County. By the 1860 census they are household 425 of Warren County, North Carolina, post office Warrenton. For more about David and family, see Barbara Poythress Wolfe’s study at http://poythress.org/family-studies/study-of-lewis-david-poythress-virginia/. In 1832 Rebecca L. Poythress (born ca 1808 in Virginia) marries Benjamin Stanley in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Both are stated to be “of the said county”. In the 1850 census Rebecca, Benjamin and children are household 103 of the Southern District of Brunswick County, Virginia. In the 1860 census they are household 22 of Meherrin Parrish, Brunswick County, post office Crichton’s Store. The 1864 confederate engineering map of Brunswick County, Virginia (https://www.loc.gov/item/gvhs01.vhs00322/) shows a “Stanly” household about 1.5 miles southwest of Crichton’s Store, close to the Mecklenburg-Brunswick line. As theirs is the only Stanley household listed in the 1860 Brunswick census, I consider it quite likely this “Stanly” household is theirs. From this location both the Canaan and Rehoboth congregations would have been accessible. Benjamin is shown in the 1870 census, still in Meherrin Township of Brunswick County, Virginia, but Rebecca is no longer in the household. It is my presumption that she has died before 1870. In 1846 Lewis Y. Poythress (born ca 1819 in Virginia) marries Mary C. Fergason [sic] in Mecklenburg County, Virginia, officiated by Methodist preacher James McAden “according to the forms, & ceremonies of the Methodist E[piscopal] Church.” In the 1850 census they comprise household 340 of Greensville County, Virginia. In the 1860 census they, along with two of Mary’s sister’s children, are household 312 of that county, post office Hicksford (present Emporia). The 1870 census finds them still in Greensville County, household 180, post office Belfield (former Hicksford and present Emporia). Lewis Y. still resides at Belfield, Greensville County, Virginia, at the time of his death in 1874, and Mary still resides there in 1880, in the home of her niece, Elizabeth Thomason. We know so much about this Lewis Poythress branch, and yet we puzzle over many persistent questions. Along with four known children of Lewis, we have four candidate children. About these four candidates we have much convincing circumstantial evidence, yet not the proof. These Mecklenburg Circuit records of Poythress relations provide us no breakthroughs into these difficult questions. Yet they do provide more evidence that is consistent with other evidence. And they provide us more context, which is especially valuable for those of us laboring to scrape the barrel, resift what we have, and keep our detectors out for unexplored sources. And to that point, this transcription gives us hope there may be other material to come to light, as this transcription did. As always, your comments, corrections and additions are welcomed. --Lyn | 03/31/19 2:06:56 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg Circuit 1835-1876 (part 6) | Albert Tims | Lyn, This is so very important. Thank you. I wonder, and this is only a wonderment, if the DNA study Barbara Poythress Neal has managed for years now might offer any clues/insights or confirmations that all the Mecklenburg County Poythress are so closely related to the known Lewis Poythress line that we could confirm your analysis. If so, that would be a major advance. And if not, what might it take to get there? I remain perplexed by the gaps we have for the period roughly between 1750 and 1800. I recently reviewed a post from Barbara back in 2010 where she expertly lays out all the Poythress found in the vicinity of Dinwiddie County during this period. I wish we had a similar study of the records for Amelia and Brunswick. I may ask if we can pull that post (with permission, of course) and re-post to the website under the family studies — it is very impressive work. Bottom line: what do you think should be the next area of focus? Are their records yet to be transcribed or reviewed in Mecklenburg or neighboring counties in Virginia and North Carolina? Are there allied family researchers we should be trying to locate? Maynard, and others seemed pretty certain that Lewis was the son of Thomas. Do you agree? Barbara’s DNA work seems to offer evidence that all of the Poythress lines out of Mecklenburg are descendant from the original 1632 Francis. If so, we’re only missing maybe one generation from one or more of his lines. But maybe I’m being too optimistic;). Best, Al | 03/31/19 5:13:10 |
| [POYTHRESS] Annual Minutes from 1800 of the Methodist Episcopal Church - Francis Poythress, Elder | Mike Tutor | Albert, was Devereux Jarratt married to Martha Claiborne, the daughter of Martha Ravenscroft? I was thinking that Martha Ravenscroft had also been married to William Poythress, the son of John Poythress and Christian Peebles. I think Hannah Ravenscroft was married to Francis Poythress, the son of Francis Poythress and Rebecca Coggin. If you can confirm this, great, if not, I do not want to lead anyone down the wrong path.......Mike Tutor | 04/01/19 1:27:47 |
| [POYTHRESS] DNA | Mike Tutor | Debbie, Was William E. Poythress, husband of Martha J. Usher, the William that you were referring to? I thought he was the son of Meredith Poythress and Hester Wilder......Mike Tutor | 04/01/19 1:33:07 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: DNA | Debbie Poythress Concepcion | Yes, Martha J Usher was his wife. | 04/01/19 1:36:24 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Annual Minutes from 1800 of the Methodist Episcopal Church - Francis Poythress, Elder | Albert Tims | Mike, Yes. Martha Ravenscroft Poythress was Devereux Jarratt’s mother-in-law. Based on first hand accounts we know is that Rev. Francis was well-educated, refined and heavily influenced by Jarratt - at least one account has Poythress living with Jarratt in his household for a period of time. This account aligns with what I have learned from various sources about the Ravenscroft/Poythress/Claiborne tie-in: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/72545694/martha-jarratt What you have on the Poythress seems consistent but I confess that I have not tried to tie things together beyond how Jarratt intersects with Rev. Francis Poythress, the Cairborne family and the Tabb family. I think, no proof, that Jarratt is a linchpin connection if we’re ever going to place Rev. Francis and his sister. Here’s some of what I’m trying to knot together into a path forward. I know you did a deep dive on Rev. Francis some years back, so perhaps you’re the right person to help us sift through this. I do not yet have all the information we need about Jarratt’s property but I do recall that he had a sizable holding — likely via his wife’s family since he had no basis for personal wealth or property. 1. Jarratt wrote (pages 80-81) in his auto-biography — emphasis added by me and given name for Leonard — based on an earlier reference in the autobiography. I met with a civil reception from Mr. (Leonard) Claiborne and his family, and we were presently as free and sociable, as if we had been acquainted all our lives. At my desire, notice was sent out for my preaching at Butterwood church, the Sunday following. This was on Friday evening, and on the Sunday, I had the church full, though time for notice was so short. My performances, both in the desk and pulpit, met the hearty approbation of my hearers. Three or four of the vestry were then present. The Thursday following was a day of thanksgiving, appointed by authority, for peace between France and England. I appointed to preach at Sappony church on that day—and at Hatcher's run, the Sunday following. I attended those appointments, had large congregations, and still met the approbation of the vestry and people. In the course of that week, at my request, the vestry agreed to meet, on the Monday following. They met accordingly, at the Old Glebe. There were ten or eleven members present. The business of the day was shortly dispatched. All that was said was nearly this. Mr. Claiborne said, " Gentlemen, our business here is to determine, whether Mr. Jarratt shall be received as minister of this parish." The REV. DEVEREUX JARRATT. 81 unanimous voice was, " I have no objection, nor did I ever hear any in the parish say they had any objection." The clerk was immediately ordered to enter it on record, that 1 was received as minister of Bath parish, on the 29th of August, 1763. This was just ten days from my first coming into the county of Dinwiddie, and commencing any acquaintance in the place. We also have: § 10 Jul 1745 Burnell Claiborne [search: Francis Poythress] 150 acs. Pr. Geo. Co., both sides of the S. side of white Oak Sw., and bounded by Captain Francis Poythress’s line. PB 23, p. 883. and § 7 Jul 1763 Leonard Claiborne Junior [search: Poythress] w/ 25 shillings, 225 acs. Dinwiddie County on Southside of White Oak Swamp….along Poythress’ line. PB 35, p. 296. Now add: land patent description for William Poythress URL (Click on link) http://image.lva.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/GetLONN.pl?first=461&last=&g_p=P15&collection=LO Author LinkPoythress, William. grantee. Title LinkLand grant 24 March 1734. Summary Location: Prince George County. Description: 400 acres near Sappone Chappel adjoining Robert Bollings line. Source: Land Office Patents No. 15, 1732-1735 (v.1 & 2 p.1-522), p. 461 (Reel 13). Part of the index to the recorded copies of patents for land issued by the Secretary of the Colony serving as the colonial Land Office. The collection is housed in the Archives at the Library of Virginia. Other Format Available on microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Subject - Personal LinkPoythress, William. grantee. URL (Click on link) http://image.lva.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/GetLONN.pl?first=171&last=&g_p=P31&collection=LO Author LinkPoythress, William. grantee. Title LinkLand grant 3 August 1752. Summary Location: Dinwiddie County. Description: 531 acres on the south side of Butterwood Swamp. Source: Land Office Patents No. 31, 1751-1756 (v.1 & 2 p.1-751), p. 171 (Reel 29). Part of the index to the recorded copies of patents for land issued by the Secretary of the Colony serving as the colonial Land Office. The collection is housed in the Archives at the Library of Virginia. Other Format Available on microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Subject - Personal Link Poythress, William. grantee. *** Also of possible importance is that Thomas Tabb’s daughter married Robert Bolling - his property being described as adjacent to William Poythress and thus, the Sappone church. *** The Nov 6th 1766 register of Prince George County Justices of the Peace lists William Poythress as having died. He was not so listed in 1764. We have an account for Rev. Francis Poythress indicating that he studied with Jarratt soon after his father’s death while he was young and had spend a few years squandering assets/opportunity. If the estimate that he was born around 1744 is reasonable then he would have been in his early 20s in 1766. Jarratt, again, was installed as minister for Bath parish in August, 1763. So, we have both Claiborne/Bolling/Tabb family connection to William Poythress by virtue of adjacent properties adjacent to the Sappone church where Jarratt was minister at that time. And we have the historical accounts of Francis having been under Jarratt’s wing, so to speak, as he turned toward his life as a founder of the Methodist movement in the colonies. This is tenuous stuff, but seems promising for a deeper dive. And, of course, since William Poythress was a Justice of Peace for Prince George in the 1760s and the property mentioned is in Dinwiddie (formed from Prince George in 1752 - same year as the land grant mentioned above) then maybe this is the wrong track and the focus should move to a different branch. Dunno yet. We do know that Rev. Francis had a sister named Susanna(h) who married a Luke Pryor (of VA) and came to hold significant property near Lexington, Kentucky. And note the land patent entries point to the Clairborne land being adjacent to land earlier patented to Captain Francis Poythress: And we have this — which needs much more authentication, I suspect — it is nonetheless more reason to believe the circle of Poythress connections close to Jarratt can be identified and doing so may help us narrow the range of possible families for Rev, Francis and sister Susannah Pryor. Best, Al | 04/01/19 2:19:32 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thomas Poythress Records in Virginia and Georgia | Albert Tims | Mike, Yes, you’re earlier work was most helpful. I think the only sister I could id in Jessamine was Susannah. The others connected to the Peniston surname, I suspect, to be a niece or great-niece. Susannah died around 1818, reportedly near the age of 70. In the 1810 census she was reported to have 24 slaves, so that to me suggests she must have had significant property. We know her husband, Luke Pryor died by 1800 — his will is reported on the Pryor family website but I have not seen it. We know he and Susanna had lands in Botetourt County, VA up until about 1800. Still don’t have clues about why the move to Jessamine County, KY or if it had anything to do with Rev. Francis working to establish the Bethel Academy in Jessamine. This is one of my earlier speculative posts building, in part, on your earlier work: http://poythress.org/2017/09/08/reverend-francis-poythress-family-ties-closing-in/ As for the long confusing string of Thomas Poythress men — I think this is the best we have so far: http://poythress.org/family-studies/family-group-sheet-for-thomas-poythress-first-5-generations/ Best, Al | 04/01/19 2:29:30 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thomas Poythress Records in Virginia and Georgia | Jerry Poythress | Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 4:29 PM, Albert Tims Yes, you’re earlier work was most helpful. I think the only sister I could id in Jessamine was Susannah. The others connected to the Peniston surname, I suspect, to be a niece or great-niece. Susannah died around 1818, reportedly near the age of 70. In the 1810 census she was reported to have 24 slaves, so that to me suggests she must have had significant property. We know her husband, Luke Pryor died by 1800 — his will is reported on the Pryor family website but I have not seen it. We know he and Susanna had lands in Botetourt County, VA up until about 1800. Still don’t have clues about why the move to Jessamine County, KY or if it had anything to do with Rev. Francis working to establish the Bethel Academy in Jessamine. This is one of my earlier speculative posts building, in part, on your earlier work: http://poythress.org/2017/09/08/reverend-francis-poythress-family-ties-closing-in/ As for the long confusing string of Thomas Poythress men — I think this is the best we have so far: http://poythress.org/family-studies/family-group-sheet-for-thomas-poythress-first-5-generations/ Best, Al | 04/01/19 3:56:29 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thomas Poythress Records in Virginia and Georgia | Mike Tutor | Albert, I have been away a long time and I am sure much ground has been gained in my absence, but I noticed in my database that I had the Rev. Francis Poythress being older than stated. I have him born about 1728 and his father dying shortly thereafter in 1729. I also list his son, Francis Poythress, as being the sergeant in the Revolutionary War. If this has been disproven, I will need to catch up. As to Lt. William Poythress (1753-1794), I have him listed as being the son of Joshua Poythress, Jr., and husband of Mary Gilliam. They named their first born Patrick Henry Poythress after Mary's cousin, Patrick Henry. I believe it is this William Poythress in the picture on the website......Mike | 04/01/19 4:16:15 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thomas Poythress Records in Virginia and Georgia | Mike Tutor | Al, I just talked to a 23andme specialized team member to see how I could compare my results with Poythress descendants' results. The bottom line is simply inviting Poythresses to invite me onto their site or I could invite them to my site. I would like to find out if I match any Poythress. If I do match, then many people would know the answer as to whether Richard Pace married Rebecca Poythress, daughter of Francis Poythress. At the 6th, 7th or 8th cousin level, it may take several family members in order to rule this out. If I could make a request to any and all of you to help with this quest, I would really, really appreciate it. My email address on 23andme is nmw2016@hughes.net. ......Mike Tutor | 04/01/19 5:08:09 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thomas Poythress Records in Virginia and Georgia | Albert Tims | Mike, By sending this to the list your request is out there. I am part 23&me but not a direct male line Poythress — my line runs through my grandmother. If you’ll send me a private note with your 23&me id I can look to see if you show up on my list. I have several Poythress surnamed males who show up already. Best, Al | 04/01/19 6:58:31 |
| [POYTHRESS] Records of the Methodist Mecklenburg (VA) Circuit 1835-1876 | Albert Tims | Poythress List, We’ve posted Lyn Baird’s important new contributions to the Poythress website. Lyn’s contributions provide important and otherwise unknown insights about families in Mecklenburg during the 18th century. We owe Lyn a major debt of gratitude for this important new contribution to Poythress family history studies. http://poythress.org/early-virginia-studies/records-of-the-methodist-mecklenburg-va-circuit-1835-1876/ | 04/01/19 9:28:04 |
| [POYTHRESS] Thomas Poythress Records in Virginia and Georgia | Mike Tutor | Hi Albert, It has been a very long time since I looked at the Rev. Francis Poythress. If I remember correctly, he died in Jessamine County, Kentucky. Does that sound right? And, did he not have three sisters, Elizabeth Poythress Peniston, Susannah Poythress Pryor and Martha Poythress Robertson? I had wondered if his wife was Mary Peterson and his parents Francis Poythress and a daughter of John Worsham. Do not hold me to these things as it has been a very long time since I looked at the reverend. If I am wrong, let me know and also let me know what you have uncovered. Maybe I will recall some worthwhile information. Maynard and I turned the several generations of Thomas Poythresses upside down, backwards and forwards trying to determine how many Thomases there were and which one was which. If I have it right, I believe the second Thomas Poythress (abt. 1729-1800) was Maynard's g-g-g-g grandfather. Have you been able to separate the Thomases? As to 23and me, I have not "hit" on any Poythress name to date but have hit on people with the surnames Bartholomew, Harwood, Peebles, Henry and Worsham. These are names that are familiar in the old Poythress families. It would take a lot of digging to determine if there is any relationship among these individuals and the old Poythress families. It was good to hear back from you.......Mike Tutor | 04/01/19 12:56:17 |
| [POYTHRESS] Fwd: Re: Re: Re: Thomas Poythress Records in Virginia and Georgia | Thank you for the explanation Al! It is crazy how far the DNA process has come in a very small amount of time. I agree that a true Professional would be needed because of the complex process. Especially with female candidates. I would not disclose the names of the men who matched my father 100% without permission either but years ago I did speak with them or one of their family members. I would love to know without a doubt that Lewis was David's father and who Lewis's father really was. It has been said the Thomas who went from Mecklenburg/Screven Co. GA was possibly Lewis's father. My father did not match all 25 markers of that Thomas known descendants. As always in genealogy a million questions! Take care Elaine, Nice to hear from you. 23andMe is yet another DNA testing service along the lines of AncestryDNA and FamilyTreeDNA. It is great to have a bit of competition in the market but it also makes it a challenge to sweep for potential DNA ties across these separate datasets. 23andMe goes deep into health screening — my sense is that FamilyTreeDNA and AncestryDNA are more attuned to genealogy. The Y-DNA testing (direct male line transmitted DNA) is where we started with the FamilyTreeDNA project administered by Barbara Poythress Neal. I think that is the data you’re referencing but because of privacy issues we really haven’t been identifying the strength of individual associations. I know Barbara has been appropriately cautious about disclosure of personal DNA information without consent. I’m certain that FamilyTreeDNA does mtDNA testing. As you may know, Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is transmitted from mother to child, thus a direct maternal ancestor can be traced. This could be helpful, obviously. But as far as I know, there have been no systematic efforts to recruit participants with specific goals in mind of using mtDNA testing. X-DNA is inherited in complex ways and while testing is available I think it might take an expert to interpret but I confess to knowing very little about how it is being used by genealogists. I have done both 23andMe testing and FamilyTreeDNA testing in the hopes of finding matches. I haven’t asked my sister to participate but if a project emerges I’d gladly recruit her for a mtDNA project. More immediately, I’d love to know if there is a way we could use a DNA project test Lyn Baird’s recent proposition that all the Poythress we found in Mecklenburg County VA during the late 1700s and early 1800s are closely related to Lewis Poythress. It may be that we need more known male descendants of Lewis in combination with Edward and David descendants — I just don’t know. And I don’t know if/how using mtDNA could strengthen the research. What I believe is that having a hypothesis to test might make it easier to do focused recruitment and analysis. Best, Al | 04/02/19 5:08:59 | |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thomas Poythress Records in Virginia and Georgia | Mike Tutor | Elaine, I had originally completed the yDNA for the male line and the mtDNA for the female line. I recently completed the autosomal DNA with 23andme that compares other DNA. With autosomal DNA, it does not matter which sex a person is. It just matches the DNA that is passed down through the generations. A person would get approximately 50% from each parent and give 50% to each child. Grandkids would get 25% of that persons auDNA and first cousins would get approximately 12.5%. It is an additional tool to help identify relatives and hone in on the relationship. Sometimes the results can identify distant cousins.......Mike | 04/02/19 7:55:12 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thomas Poythress Records in Virginia and Georgia | Mike Tutor | I should have said that first cousins would match at approximately 12.5%. | 04/02/19 8:04:41 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thomas Poythress Records in Virginia and Georgia | Al & Mike, What is 23 & Me? I too have been out of the loop for a long time. My father David Poythress Grandson of James Speed Poythress Mecklenburg, VA/Sumter, AL/Meridian, MS (Great Grandson of David Poythress of Mecklenburg VA and Warrington NC). took the DNA test years ago. The lines he matched 100% were from descendants of James Edward Poythress Mecklenburg VA & Sumter, AL, - James P. Poythress Gadsten, FL. (I believe he was also in Screven Co. GA for a short time before going to FL) - John Lewis Poythress (assumed son of Edward Poythress/Mahalia Poythress.) He did not match all markers of Maynard or Bud Poythress. It would be awesome if some who have yet to be tested, do so. It may fill in the gap of some of the Poythress lines. Elaine Poythress Criddle Mike, By sending this to the list your request is out there. I am part 23&me but not a direct male line Poythress — my line runs through my grandmother. If you’ll send me a private note with your 23&me id I can look to see if you show up on my list. I have several Poythress surnamed males who show up already. Best, Al | 04/02/19 11:05:55 | |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thomas Poythress Records in Virginia and Georgia | dapoythress | 23&Me is like Ancestry.com only they have a chromosome browser and I still haven't figured out about family trees with them. A chromosome browser helps to compare your segments with your DNA match. Still working on figuring that out too.Debbie Poythress-Concepcion Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone | 04/02/19 11:40:41 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thomas Poythress Records in Virginia and Georgia | Albert Tims | Elaine, Nice to hear from you. 23andMe is yet another DNA testing service along the lines of AncestryDNA and FamilyTreeDNA. It is great to have a bit of competition in the market but it also makes it a challenge to sweep for potential DNA ties across these separate datasets. 23andMe goes deep into health screening — my sense is that FamilyTreeDNA and AncestryDNA are more attuned to genealogy. The Y-DNA testing (direct male line transmitted DNA) is where we started with the FamilyTreeDNA project administered by Barbara Poythress Neal. I think that is the data you’re referencing but because of privacy issues we really haven’t been identifying the strength of individual associations. I know Barbara has been appropriately cautious about disclosure of personal DNA information without consent. I’m certain that FamilyTreeDNA does mtDNA testing. As you may know, Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is transmitted from mother to child, thus a direct maternal ancestor can be traced. This could be helpful, obviously. But as far as I know, there have been no systematic efforts to recruit participants with specific goals in mind of using mtDNA testing. X-DNA is inherited in complex ways and while testing is available I think it might take an expert to interpret but I confess to knowing very little about how it is being used by genealogists. I have done both 23andMe testing and FamilyTreeDNA testing in the hopes of finding matches. I haven’t asked my sister to participate but if a project emerges I’d gladly recruit her for a mtDNA project. More immediately, I’d love to know if there is a way we could use a DNA project test Lyn Baird’s recent proposition that all the Poythress we found in Mecklenburg County VA during the late 1700s and early 1800s are closely related to Lewis Poythress. It may be that we need more known male descendants of Lewis in combination with Edward and David descendants — I just don’t know. And I don’t know if/how using mtDNA could strengthen the research. What I believe is that having a hypothesis to test might make it easier to do focused recruitment and analysis. Best, Al | 04/02/19 12:06:11 |
| [POYTHRESS] Thanks! And what to do with the Methodist Mecklenburg transcription? | Lyn Baird | Al, this looks very nice. I hope someone will find it useful at some point. Thanks for helping keep this moving. Could we or should we consider posting the entire transcription on the web site? Here are some thoughts: 1. It really needs to be preserved and made available somehow. 2. It is unfortunately unverifiable without further detective work that I do not have time to pursue. 3. Related to (2), there is no one to grant permission to publish. It is separated from its source. Would it be considered "anonymous" or "public domain"? 4. It is not a purely Poythress artifact by any means. 5. Perhaps it would fit on a different site, but where? 6. It is an Excel sheet. In what form should it be published? Please share your thoughts. I am copying Barbara and Julie, in case they have thoughts also. --Lyn | 04/03/19 5:59:46 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thanks! And what to do with the Methodist Mecklenburg transcription? | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | Hi Lyn, I plan to work on this. I've sent out some questions to try to find Frances Clark, none of the old contact info I had for her is still good. My memory was the submitter wanted the info shared. That's why they made the Excel before donating to a library. I think if we ask the submitter for permission, I'm sure they would give permission to share. Especially because we aren't making money off of this, just sharing for personal use. But I do know permission is important when it goes up online, verses in copying in a book. On a personal note just for Lyn, Al & Barbara: I wanted to tell you about a thing called VROC. Library of Virginia made an official partnership with FamilySearch. I was at a lunch when the lost records collection head guy said he wanted to form a partnership & he was going to see that happen. He said they both want the same thing, to make records accessible & they are not for profit. VROC is the result. The guy in charge of that for the whole state of Virginia lives near me. He & his wife travel all over Virginia, working on getting contracts to get records from various libraries, courthouses & archives, digitized then up on FamilySearch. I told the guy in August that I just got out of my wheelchair, so give me 6 months to make sure I can stay healthy & safe to drive, them I'll volunteer with him. I talked to him about my eyes, & he said there's lots he needs help with that I already do often. So my paperwork started & I'll be representing LVA & FamilySearch officially to get much more Virginia records available. & I will be traveling around Virginia working with record 12-15 hours per week. I'm pretty excited. I will definitely let you know when I see stuff that will be of interest to Poythress research. & I plan to find that book & the submitter. I might be getting a very fancy camera soon to digitize records in archives. It's a big part of VROC, the fancier, more quickly accessible version of the old microfilming stuff. FamilySearch has to re-negotiate (rewrite permissions) for every contract with courthouses because they don't charge money, & records are going up online. Really big exciting stuff in the works. Also I talked to Reg Cook today. He's been talking to several people about a Poythress house & cemetery. I'm going to Mecklenburg in 3 weeks to see how I can help with the Bracey Community project gathering oral histories. Then Reg, TJ Hall, Jerry Poythress & a lady in Brunswick are going to go to a place we're hearing about. It sounded to me like where the Poythress tombstone is that you worked with Lyn, on old Thomas land, Lucy & Thomas Poythress. But they all looked at my map & said it's not that, but near there. I'm told the lady who grew up there is in poor health so I better hurry. I promise to write it all up & send you & the list pictures & notes on what we see & learn. I'll keep you posted, Julie | 04/03/19 6:32:04 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: James Speed Family Study and Photos of Foxhall and Annie Poythress | Lyn Baird | Julie, this visual of this Dortch line is very helpful, especially as an orientation to those of us not familiar with this line. As I was writing up Martha W. Dortch as found in the Rehoboth congregation of the Mecklenburg circuit transcription, I was reminded again of the many circumstantial connections between Dortch and Poythress. Sadly these connections have not yet led to proof of the parentage of Sarah G. Poythress, but we will keep trying! The photos of Foxhall and Annie Poythress touch memories. My grandfather, Robert Alexander Baird, was the same age as Fox, and recalled how he and Fox hunted together. Seeing Foxhall with his hound especially reminded me of that. In the one occasion I had to speak with Agnes Poythress Hudson, daughter of Fox, she recalled the message of her father's death being delivered by a man who was a stranger to Agnes yet curiously shared the last name - Frank Poythress. Agnes was age ten at the time. Her family lived beyond the reach of the phone lines. Frank, who had telephone service, received the sad message from the Henderson, NC, hospital and drove out to deliver it to the family. It was the first and last time Agnes saw Frank, but she always remembered this stranger with the life-changing message and the last name Poythress. Frank Poythress was my grand-uncle and was like a grandfather to me, and it was in her conversation with me - 66 years later - that Agnes learned that Frank was a Poythress first cousin of her father. I'm looking just now at Foxhall's death certificate, August 3, 1932, age about 44, cause of death a malignancy with "onset" only seventeen days beforehand. It had to have been a shock to the family. Please pass along our thanks to Jerry for these photos. And thank you, Julie, so very much for all your work researching, creating the chart, collecting the artifacts, and getting them to Al for publishing on the site. Your research approach -- to patiently "collect everything" and "connect with everyone" -- is building a complex and rich picture of 19th-century southeastern Mecklenburg County, Virginia. This is resulting in insights invaluable to researchers of Poythress and other families, and of great personal interest to me as one "rooted" in that corner of Virginia. Keep it up. --Lyn | 04/04/19 7:02:58 |
| [POYTHRESS] Children of Henry Randolph IV & Tabitha Poythress | Brent Spencer | Is there a list of the known children of Henry Randolph IV & Tabitha Poythress? | 04/04/19 11:49:18 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Children of Henry Randolph IV & Tabitha Poythress | Albert Tims | Mr. Spencer, We do not have a a record of the names of known children of Henry Randolph IV and Tabitha Poythress on the Poythress.org Chesterfield County: 1769 Tabitha Poythress Randolph (c. 1726-1805) Will I have no further information about this will or if a transcription exists, but it might be worth exploring. A cursory search turned up a list of the children’s names posted to the Ancestry message board some years back (1999) — but it cites no authority for the names of children given. As usual, best to be skeptical of undocumented posts. With that caveat, here’s what I see from that post. . Henry IV married Tabitha Poythress and their children are: William b 1745 in Henrico Cty, John, Thomas, Robert, Richard, Mary, Elizabeth, Nancy. William married Miriam Anne Eppes and their children are: Peyton b 1766, Elizabeth, Isham, Henry, Mahalia, Tabitha, Edmond, and Miriam. Peyton b 1766 married Mary Payne and their children are: Robert Peyton b 1788 VA, Mary b 1790 NC, Thomas b 1796 Tenn, Nathaniel b 1798, Miriam b 1800, Tabatha b 1803, Rebecca b 1805, John William b 1802 Yancey Cty, NC. https://www.ancestry.com/boards/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=731&p=localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.henrico Others on this list may have more to share - I hope so. Please let us know if you locate the referenced Will above or any authenticated documentation - - it would be a nice addition for the Poythress records. Good luck. Al Tims | 04/04/19 12:35:04 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Children of Henry Randolph IV & Tabitha Poythress | Al, Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it. Brent | 04/04/19 12:56:30 | |
| [POYTHRESS] DNA Comparisons | Brent Spencer | I descend from Dorothea [Randolph] Haggard who I believe is the daughter of Henry Randolph IV and his wife, Tabitha Poythress. However, there doesn't seem to be any form of documentation to confirm Dorothea as their daughter. I am interested in comparing my 23andMe and/or Ancestry DNA which, I have also uploaded to GEDmatch, with anyone in this group who also descends from Henry Randolph IV's and/or Tabitha Poythress' lines. | 04/05/19 8:40:02 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: DNA Comparisons | Crystal Marvin | Brent.....can you shoot me your kit #? I descend from the Poythress of Northampton which are also Bass. I would like to compare with a VA Poythress. Mine is A080386 Crystal | 04/05/19 9:06:13 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: DNA Comparisons | Brent Spencer | This Randolph / Poythress line is on my father's side. My GEDmatch kit is A080386. My father's is A872422. Unfortunately, I don't have DNA further back than my father. | 04/05/19 10:38:22 |
| [POYTHRESS] Julie Cabitto-some Mecklenburg VA Poythress projects | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | 6 Apr 2019 Hello Poythress list, I talked to Lyn Baird & Barbara Neal a few months ago, discussed a few ideas with them, but wanted things in "less theory format” before I shared. But I'm realizing a few months have flown by, so thinking I better speak up. I wanted to tell you a little about myself, what I'm trying to do, particularly with Poythress info & will start notating what is still a work in progress, or still theory. Maybe if I share theories, you’ll have ideas for me? I will send several emails over the next few days: one per subject mentioned in this message. My focus is mostly Mecklenburg, VA right now, (some on the Brunswick border), because that's what I understand & currently study: My father's last US Air Force assignment & retirement was in VA, which is how I returned to my VA roots in 1993. In 1996, I went on bedrest with my first pregnancy. I asked my grandma to give me her biggest brick wall in genealogy, so at least my mind could keep busy for several months. It was a mostly empty folder about a grandma named Fannie Gray who was born in Virginia in 1894, her parents were Alginon Gray & Theresa India Dortch, with their birth, death & marriage- years only. Fannie's daughter Catherine Stowe Sanetra wrote dozens of letters (starting 1950), trying to help her mother find her cousins & learn about her roots. Someone wrote Catherine back and said that Alginon had a sister Nannie Kidd in Mecklenburg, VA so Fannie might have been born there. Another notation on an index card said "Alginon also had siblings: Frank, Charles, Tommy & Dolly", an extract of another letter that was lost. That's all we had in 1996. We followed Theresa Dortch's parents in Mecklenburg, from Theresa’s marriage record: Alvy Dortch & Tennessee Glover. On Alvy’s marriage record it states his parents were William A. Dortch & Sarah G. Poythress. Today this is still as far back as I can prove on paper on the Poythress line. When I was 10 years old, I went to the National Archives with my grandma to look for Fannie Gray & her family on microfilms. When I was 16, I started looking through my grandma’s files & asking questions. We only knew Fannie Gray was living in Chicago at age 2 because both her parents had died young, and that she was born somewhere in VA. We didn’t know if Mecklenburg was correct or not. There was an Alginon Gray born in Rockingham County VA the same year as Fannie's dad with siblings Frank, Charles, Tommy & Dolly. Amazingly this was a huge coincidence. In 2000, I sent out batches of inquiry letters. A man from the Rockingham, VA Grays told me the Alginon Gray in Rockingham died single, 2 years before my Alginon married Theresa India Dortch in Mecklenburg, so he would focus on the Alginon Gray in Mecklenburg. I'm so thankful he found me & helped! In Jan 2003, Wayne Rainey started talking to me about my Kidd research in Mecklenburg & told me he could show me churches that my ancestors would have attended. Me, my mom & grandma had our first visit to Mecklenburg, in Jan 2003. We saw Sardis, Canaan, & Rehoboth Methodist churches. All in the Excel file Lyn Baird has written the list about. Rehoboth church had tombstones for the most people’s names I recognized. I started just taking notes & pictures of the people's names I recognized, including Foxhall Poythress, son in law of Nannie Gray Kidd. I now know that Foxhall Poythress, & his wife Annie Kidd were both first cousin to Fannie Gray from both Jones & Gray connections. My first visit, I was pretty much only looking at Nannie Gray Kidd's family, -taking pictures of Jones & Kidd tombstones to try to figure out connections later. Wayne Rainey gave me great advice by saying he would suggest I pay attention to every name there at Rehoboth. He’d figured out how 75% of these people were related. But he believed every single person was related, he just needed to learn the connections. I took that to heart & since then have tried to look at whole groups of people, not just one surname. We both now know how everyone is connected there. I also started thinking about these churches (pre 1870), associating groups of families with each church, theorizing that they most likely lived near each of these churches. I visited & set out to find more about Fannie's family in 2003. But now I focus on everyone in this small geographic area and their connections, because they’re all Fannie’s family. And there’s still descendants there. Much of my direct lines never left Mecklenburg area until young men left in WWII service. It was in about 2005 that I started talking to Barbara Poythress Neal, Maynard & reading this Poythress list. Originally, my family had thought my Sarah Poythress was part of Edward Poythress family at Sardis church. But I learned from the church record Lyn mentioned, that Edward’s daughter Sarah was single, at the same time that my Sarah was already married with children, living near people attending Canaan & Rehoboth churches. After talking to several Poythress researchers, it is believed that my Sarah Poythress who was married to William Archer Dortch could only be a daughter of Lewis Poythress by circumstantial evidence. I continue to look for paper proof. I have an electrolyte disorder, that causes me to have to rethink everything & try creative adaptations. When my electrolytes drop too much, neuro-muscular issues get crazy. I've used mobility aids since my early 20's. One bonus is that people who don't think they have any stories to interest me will tell me about other people with canes, seizures etc. that I’ve never heard about. I challenged a few seniors to walker races, but instead we laughed about mobility & rode on really cool wagons hitched to riding lawn mowers to get back to little cemeteries way back through the trees. 2 years ago, I kept losing my speech several hours per day. This led me to trying to learn ASL. A deaf relative saw I was interested in ASL, & contacted me asking for help finding deaf ancestors in Mecklenburg, VA. Lots of deaf distant cousins!! I’m working on trying to set up an interview with video cameras soon, to get some stories (interviews) told in ASL. The hardest thing for me that really slows down my research & traveling is my neuro-vision stuff. Blue lights from electronics & frequent electrolyte drops daily unfortunately cause frequent episodes of blindness in one eye, with blurriness in the other. In Jul 2018 I read a medical report that gave me an idea, & I readjusted the ratios of the electrolytes I take, found the balance my body prefers & was able to get out of my wheelchair after 3 years of full-time chair use. My first thought was, can’t wait to get back to trekking through the woods in Mecklenburg & Brunswick & get to archives again! I have a long wish list of interviews & things to see & get pictures of. I now walk a few miles each day to attempt to counter the neuro vision stuff. I ponder genealogy puzzles & compose letters during my walks. I use blue light filters & special glasses. I print emails & hand write replies with my much loved Esterbrook 1931 fountain pen with intense black waterman ink. My family helps me type things. I do frequently get frustrated with myself for often taking so long to get back to people though. In 2004, I knocked on doors, handed out copies of a few 1860’s plats & asked if anyone could help me find that land, to please call me. People started calling me back. Now lots of hunters & locals scour the woods for me then call me when they find stuff like old houses & cemeteries. News of finds spreads & more people keep helping. It’s so fun & I love the collaboration so much! We look for cemeteries & house notations that we find in old deeds, chancery notations & plats. I’ve been trying to reconstruct what the area looked like in the 1860’s & now with new Poythress searches in the 1830’s. Here is a link to my map, showing stuff people have been helping me find. You can zoom way in, & click on tags or outlined land to see notes. No Poythress on here yet, but I’ve been working hard to change that.: https://juliecabitto-preservinghistoryrecords.blogspot.com/p/julies-mapping-project.html I will be going back to Mecklenburg in about 3 weeks to check the latest updates on my Lewis Poythress land searches, looking at a site someone heard about & is currently investigating for my upcoming visit. I live about 3 hours drive away. Sorry, this was way longer & more compiled subjects then I meant. Bite size piece messages in the works, easier to reply to & keep in separate threads. Coming soon: doctor notes about many of the same people in the Methodist circuit records, update on land searches for Poythress, Taylor & Dortch connections to Poythress, the church notes Lyn wrote about, my War of 1812 veteran notes for this area, various chanceries I'm currently reviewing that will help me find Poythress in Mecklenburg, and the Bracey community project....I know it sounds like a gazillion projects, but it’s actually all related info to figure out this group of people. Sources I got to try to find some Poythress documentation for my line. I started looking at all this in August 2018 when Jerry Poythress asked me where the Lewis Poythress land was that Lyn told him about several years earlier. Hope you all have a great weekend, Julie Cabitto | 04/06/19 4:09:05 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Julie Cabitto-some Mecklenburg VA Poythress projects | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | Correction on that last line. Lewis Poythress land that was in the copy of the deed that Lyn Baird shared. The land from Lewis to two sons. Julie | 04/06/19 4:33:45 |
| [POYTHRESS] summary update on Lewis Poythress land | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | Now to start smaller messages, just one subject at a time. In August 2018, Jerry Poythress showed me a copy of a deed Lyn Baird had shared with him. It is Mecklenburg County VA deed book 31, pg 605, Lewis Poythress deeding land to 2 sons Lewis Y & Thomas Poythress with the date 11 Sep 1845. Jerry asked me if I knew where this land was. I said I had no idea, but I wanted to find out. I met with a title researcher, and we searched for Poythress deeds in Mecklenburg, VA. So far we have not found out what happened to this parcel of land. So we've been investigating neighbors mentioned on the deed like Charles D. Cleaton. Charles had lots of parcels of land all over Margengo & Blackridge area. The neighbors mentioned I believe are all in what I think of as the Marengo, Sardis church area. Lyn Baird told me about a family cemetery, the Poythress Tanner cemetery. He also told me where to put that pin on my Mecklenburg map. Lucy Thomas married Thomas M. Poythress. This cemetery is on land that had been Thomas land for a long time: Lucy's parents & before that it appears to be Brooks land from an older Brooks plat I found in Feb. Lucy Thomas was daughter of Bennett Thomas who was son of Rebecca Brooks. I've been focusing on Margeno- Sardis Church area for Lewis Poythress land. But some people have been helping me, asking around & just found out about some land known as Poythress land which sounds very close the Tanner Poythress cemetery near Rehoboth church. I marked a screen shot of my map & emailed it to them. They said the place they are going to visit is not the same place that Lucy lived, and the cemetery is marked, but this site is supposed to be near there. An older women who grew up next to that land said she remembers an old house & cemetery. Some guys are trying to pinpoint where she remembers it used to be. Both have been gone for decades. Several people are looking into some things about this lot & will take me there when I visit in about 3 weeks. I did find a few deeds for Lewis Poythress, one of which I know the area because of a waterway in the description. Maybe Lewis owned land in a few places close by? Maybe he bought adjoining parcels of land? Maybe he sold land & moved to near by farms? These places I've been searching, Sardis & Rehoboth & where the Tanner Poythress cemetery are all within about 2-4 miles birds eye view, relatively close. I've transcribed one deed. This list & Poythress site has that deed transcription now. About 3 more being typed up now, updates soon. So still definitely a complex work in progress, still many questions, still investigating neighbors on deeds, but hoping for cool stuff to tell you on my next visit. Julie Cabitto -- *Julie Nielsen Cabitto* VA genealogy: https://juliecabitto-preservinghistoryrecords.blogspot.com/ | 04/06/19 5:33:16 |
| [POYTHRESS] Lewis and Peter Poythress in Mecklenburg VA -- circa 1815 | Albert Tims | Everyone, Julie — I’m looking forward to digging into your recent posts and am very excited about the work you’re doing and the promise it holds going forward. Referenced below is an association I do not recall ever coming up on the list — if so, I apologize. The notations below are from 1815 Directory of Virginia LandownersMeckenburg County extracted from Land Tax Records in the Library of Virginiaby Roger G. Ward New Papyrus Co., Inc. Athens, Georgia copyright 200 FORMAT OF PRESENTATION. Each entry is listed as: Surname, name, personal identifiers (if any); location/place- name of land; miles/direction from the 1815 courthouse. So, 18E would put the property 18 miles due east of the courthouse - - presumably located in or near Boynton circa 1815. Poythress Entries: Poythress, Lewis; west side Great CK; 18E Poythress, Peter; west side Flat CK; 16E I see on a topo map that directly east from Boynton we find modern courses both for Great Creek and Flat Creek with Great Creek further to the west, consistent with the extractions from the tax records. What do we make of the fact that Lewis and Peter owned what might well be adjacent property very near the Eastern boundary between Mecklenburg County VA and Lunenburg County VA? In addition, I find the following land ownership literally across the creek from Lewis Poythress: Giles, Edward; east side Great CK; 18E And there is this Cleaton record, a bit further to the east but also on Flat Creek (has to be in the general vicinity of Lewis Poythress land). Cleaton, Thomas, Senior; both sides Flat CK; 20E. Any significance in these 1815 entries placing Lewis Poythress in such close proximity to Peter Poythress and allied families in Mecklenburg County, VA? | 04/06/19 6:35:44 |
| [POYTHRESS] Bracey History project-Foxhall Poythress | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | Info on a note in my long email earlier today...Carol Corker is helping with the Bracey community project & she told me about it. The committee is trying to get oral histories of people from the Bracey area of Mecklenburg, VA, and find ways to preserve and share this history. This would be 903 & Nellie Jones Rd area. Bracey is the last exit off highway 85 South before the VA/NC state border, close to the state line . My visit in 3 weeks is to attend their next meeting, learn more about the project & see how I can contribute to the project. (then later in the afternoon I'll go check out the Poythress land searching updates & get GPS coordinates) I've offered to help do some interviews with the committe's excellent list of questions. In previous interviews which were just from my own curiosity, I emphasize I grew up a city girl, so I want to learn how they farmed, & what chores they did. I've learned all kinds of cool stories from those two questions. Jerry Poythress was asked what he could share about Foxhall Poythress & Annie Kidd. He looked through things with his mother Bernice. He shared the picture of Foxhall & Annie, telling me I had permission to share. Jerry said that is the only picture of Foxhall he knows about. The goal of the committee is to get stories &/or interviews. When I know the stories about Foxhall or what Jerry shares, I'll let you know. Jerry is also helping me search for Poythress land: 1) Foxhall's land -so far it appears he purchased all his land, not inherited it ....& 2) looking for earlier Poythress land. Julie Cabitto -- *Julie Nielsen Cabitto* VA genealogy: https://juliecabitto-preservinghistoryrecords.blogspot.com/ Polish Genealogy: https://sanetra-genhistory.blogspot.com/ | 04/06/19 6:56:29 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Lewis and Peter Poythress in Mecklenburg VA -- circa 1815 | Albert Tims | List, Correction — the version of the 1815 Directory of Virginia Landowners/Mecklenburg County has a publication date of 2005, not 200;) | 04/06/19 7:11:56 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 56 | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | Al, I have never seen this land reference, thank you!! I also do not remember seeing Peter Poythress in deeds in Mecklenburg, I only remember seeing Lewis Poythress in this time period. Long Branch of Great creek is where one of Lewis Poythress deeds were. There's 2 Long Branches off Great Creek. One where Nannie & Jimmy Kidd lived, the other is just north of Tolbert Rd. The Tolbert Rd area is the area I've been looking for Lewis Poythress land. I will send your message to a few friends helping me & take it with me to the courthouse too to see what more I can find, like what the numbers might refer to. Thank you! Julie | 04/06/19 7:50:05 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 57 | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | Al, on the courthouse...I'm actually not sure if the courthouse was in Boydton in 1815. It gets confusing before the current courthouse. I actually have a few plats with "courthouse rd" written, 3 totally separate roads, but it was where the judge or clerk or something like that lived at the time. No road is know to have officially been called courthouse rd in Mecklenburg, VA. I'm going to have to see if I can get a copy of that book, it will help me a lot. Julie | 04/06/19 7:58:21 |
| [POYTHRESS] clarification on Foxhall Poythress & Fannie Gray cousins | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | My brain prefers to simplify cousins, & just thinks "cousins, & connected", rather than once removed or second cousins etc. So correction: technically Foxhall & Fannie aren't first cousins, but they are cousins. In this area of Mecklenburg, many first cousin marriages. Or second cousin marriages. Or first cousins once removed. And their children have cousin marriages (sometimes 1st, or 2nd or once removed). And 3 boys from this family marry 3 sisters from this family on the adjoining property...On the Census you may see people along the road order on northern property boundaries, but looking on the map at the neighbors to the southern boundaries you see cousins too. In 1860 James B. Jones & John B. Kidd were neighbors. John Gray immigrated from County Armagh in Ireland in 1838. He bought & lived on the property adjoining James B Jones in 1840. In 1847, John Gray married his neighbor Sarah Jones, daughter of James B. Jones. Basically everyone is very, very connected & mostly married a neighbor. And if they had a second marriage, same thing. But to be specific, I'll try this in words since I can't draw it here: 1) Foxhall Poythress married to Annie Kidd, Jones line. (Annie's parents were first cousins, their mothers were Jones sisters): Foxhall Poythress--was the son of --Anna Ella Jones--who was the daughter of --James B. Jones & Martha Newman Annie Kidd--was daughter of --Nannie Gray--who was the daughter of --Sarah Jones--who was the daughter of --James B. Jones & Martha Newman Annie Kidd--was daughter of --Jimmy Kidd--who was son of --Varinda Jones--who was the daughter of --James B. Jones & Martha Newman Fannie Gray --was the daughter of Alginon Gray--who was the son of-- Sarah Jones--who was the daughter of--James B. Jones & Martha Newman ________________________________ 2) Poythress line Foxhall Poythress --was son of-- William Lewis Poythress--who was the son of--Thomas Poythress--who was the son of --Lewis Poythress & Rebecca Taylor Fannie Gray--was daughter of --Theresa Dortch--who was daughter of--Alvin Dortch--who was son of --Sarah Poythress--who is believed to be the daughter of-- Lewis Pothress & Rebecca Taylor _________________________________ Some more complex connections, Kidd & Glover: Annie Kidd was daughter of Jimmy Kidd who was son of Bartlette Kidd & Varinda Jones. (Another email later about the name Varinda, it goes back to early Newman days back before 1800. ) Fannie Gray's mother was Theresa Dortch, who was daughter of Alvy Dortch & Tennessee Glover. Tennessee's father was Granderson Glover. Granderson's 2nd marriage was to Arimenta Kidd, Bartlette's sister. Tenessee's sister Tabitha Glover married Edward Kidd a sibling of Arimenta & Bartlette. These families all lived on neighboring properties at Nellie Jones Rd & Great Creek & Hall Rd intersecting Nellie Jones Rd. Extra complex: There's some Taylor & Cannon connections in there too, a little earlier time period. I've partly sorted connections out, partly still working on. Julie Cabitto -- *Julie Nielsen Cabitto* | 04/07/19 2:37:11 |
| [POYTHRESS] Dr. John Poythress -- Beaufort NC 1813 Inventory | Albert Tims | Everyone, Dr. John Poythress living in Beaufort, North Carolina prior to 1813 remains a mystery of sorts. His Will, which was transcribed and posted to the Poythress website some time back makes reference to him specifically as Dr. John Poythress. I posted a message to the list not long ago refreshing a topic that has lingered on this list for more than a decade. https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/poythress.rootsweb.com/thread/39706/ In that message I shared what I had learned about medical education circa 1800: There were only a handful of medical schools in the US prior to 1813 — places like Penn, Harvard, Dartmouth, Columbia and interestingly, Transylvania College [Lexington KY] founded medical education in 1799). I don’t know if records of the students from that era have survived, but it might be worth exploring. I did some digging subsequent to that post examining the early history and alumni records from Transylvania but came up with no mentions that might connect to a John Poythress. I have not looked elsewhere - yet. About a decade ago (2009) Barbara Poythress Neal was looking into our Dr. John Poythress. She wrote in a note responding to one of the list participants "Yes, this fellow is one of the ones who has gotten my interest, as to who he was & wanting to figure out who was his father. I'm thrilled to learn, Sandy that he was listed as "Dr. John Poythress” Seems likely to me at that time "Dr" would have only been used for a medical doctor. Great addition to our tiny bit of info about him. Thanks for finding the item." Her note accurately reflects that we had no proof that he was a practicing physician. Until now. I have updated the website with the inventory of his estate at the time of his death in 1813 from Wills, Inventories, Sales and Settlements of Estates, 1741-1887; North Carolina. County Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions (Carteret County) It would be wonderful if we could have this transcribed at some point but even without a transcription there can be no question that he was a practicing physician. The inventory includes medical books, medical instruments, drug compounds and sundry other artifacts. It even includes what is described as an image of George Washington — perhaps a painting or drawing. http://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-other-states/john-poythress-beaufort-north-carolina-1813/ This bit of Poythress past offers a fascinating account of the tools of the medical trade in a small community at the launch of the 18th century. More importantly, it confirms Barbara’s belief that he was a physician. We don’t know if he had a medical degree but it seems quite clear that he had medical texts informing his practice. Now the elephant in the room question: Where did he come from? As far as I know, we’ve never come up with a list of suspects for his family line. We don’t know his age but based on the extensive inventory documented he must have had an established practice prior to 1813. Alternatively, he may have taken over a practice and still be a young man at the time of his passing. We have no valid way to estimate his age. He may be mentioned in other records and accounts of this period in Beaufort — but as far as I know, we have yet to dig deep. It would appear that he died without issue since he he makes no mention of children and left everything to his wife, Polly. | 04/07/19 5:31:48 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Dr. John Poythress -- Beaufort NC 1813 Inventory | Albert Tims | Folks, Obviously, I meant 19th century not 18th century in my post - just me not proofing carefully before hitting send. Sorry. | 04/07/19 6:09:26 |
| [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg VA -- 1815 Neighbors along Great Creek | Albert Tims | Julie and List, Related to your recent post about the Foxhall Poythress line, here are the Great Creek “neighboring" landowners in the 1815 Landowners list all listed as E. (east) or southeast (SE) of the courthouse — most referenced as a distance between 18 and 20 miles (likely east of the approximate Boydton area). But as noted in the document transcriptions — these distances should be considered approximations and may be impacted by the measured routes available at that time. Even so, this may be helpful information. I am intrigued to see Peter Wynne (estate) on the west side of Great Creek (17E) — adjacent to Lewis Poythress (west side of Great Creek (18E). Since we know a Peter Wynne shared property boundaries with Poythress (Robert, Polly (in Dinwiddie Bath Parish) and others, it may be worth a side trip into the possibility of a Wynne family connection related to these land holdings in Mecklenburg, Mecklenburg County VA wasn’t established until 1765 — prior to that it was part of Brunswick County (1703 - 1765) and before that it was part of Charles City County (1634- 1703). These shifting boundaries likely mean we should be looking for patents and grants that may be in Brunswick County and Charles City County record archives if we can’t find them in Mecklenburg County archives. By the way, for general reference in look at the evolution of boundaries, the Newberry Library’s Dr. William M. Scholl CEnter for American History and Culture has an online interactive Atlas of Historical County Boundaries. It is a valuable tool. You can find it at: https://publications.newberry.org/ahcbp/index.html Also of note: Peter Poythress was nearby — west side Flat CK; 16E. I took a look at Flat Creek on Google Earth along street view crossings — seems like (at least today) a small creek easily crossed on foot. 1815 Mecklenburg VA landowners: Giles, Edward; east side Great CK; 18E Giles, John; west side East Prong of Great CK; 16SE. Jones, Elizabeth; west side Great CK; 18E. Jones, Sarah; Great CK; 18E. Jones, Fredrick; west side Great CK; 18E. Jones, William, G Creek; east and west side Great CK; 20E. Poythress, Lewis; west side Great CK; 18E. Rainey, Elizabeth; west side Great CK; 18E. Rainey, Phillip; west side Great CK; 10SE. Rainey, Smith; west side Great CK; 16SE. Rainey, Williamson; east side Great CK; 17SE Wynne, Peter, estate; west side Great CK; 17E. As to the identity of the Peter Poythress shown in the list, we have a candidate, I suspect, based on a compilation done by John (Maynard) Poythress (deceased) — one of our most prolific and productive contributors to this list (his materials are now housed at the LVA) — with a study of what he titled “First 5 Generations of Thomas Poythress” which is posted to the website. http://poythress.org/family-studies/family-group-sheet-for-thomas-poythress-first-5-generations/ In this compilation (which doesn’t cite specific source materials for the mentions of Peter Poythress, unfortuantely) he provides this timeline and some documentation (I have highlighted the references to Peter Poythress). I find no mention of Lewis Poythress in this study of Thomas Poythress. And this is one of the roadblocks we’ve faced for years. The full study is at: http://poythress.org/family-studies/family-group-sheet-for-thomas-poythress-first-5-generations/ Below is the section referencing a Peter Poythress in Mecklenburg County VA. Thomas POYTHRESS. Born About 1740 in Dinwiddie County, Virginia. 22 Aug 1782..John Morris and Elizabeth Edwards, dau. Thomas Edwards, deceased. Surety Meredith Poythress, who makes affidavit that Elizabeth Edwards lives at the home of his father Thomas Poythress and is 23 years of age. Wit: Griffin Stith (Knorr’s Brunswick Marriages p. 66). 30 Mar 1789. “Thomas Poythress for removing Henry Woodward”..meeting of the Overseers of the Poor at the Court House…from St. Andrews Parish Vestry Book 1732-1797 of Brunswick County, Virginia. By Wm. Linsay Hopkins (abstracted from photocopies in the Virginia State Library). 20 Aug 1795. Deed Book Brunswick County: Thomas Poythress of Brunswick County to George Hicks, for 50 pounds, 85 acres of land. Source: SAR Magazine July 1928 pg. 61. Children: 2 i. Meredith POYTHRESS Sr. Second Generation ************************************************** 2. Meredith POYTHRESS Sr. Son of Thomas POYTHRESS. Died in Screven County, Georgia. He married Edith CLEATON, daughter of William CLEATON & Jane POOLE, 14 Jul 1781 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Marriage info: Marriage Records 1765-1810 Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Surety for marriage: William Cleaton (Edith’s father). They had the following children: 3 i. Peter POYTHRESS 4 ii. Cleaton POYTHRESS 5 iii. Elizabeth POYTHRESS 6 iv. Meredith POYTHRESS Jr. Third Generation ************************************************** 3. Peter POYTHRESS. Son of Meredith POYTHRESS Sr. & Edith CLEATON. Born About 1782 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. 1800 Mecklenburg County Property Tax List shows Peter as a taxable son of Meredith Poythress which would indicate Peter to be between ages of 16 and 21 in year 1800. 4. Cleaton POYTHRESS. Son of Meredith POYTHRESS Sr. & Edith CLEATON. Born in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Died in Screven County, Georgia. 5. Elizabeth POYTHRESS. Daughter of Meredith POYTHRESS Sr. & Edith CLEATON. Born in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Died in Screven County, Georgia. | 04/07/19 7:06:06 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Dr. John Poythress -- Beaufort NC 1813 Inventory | Albert Tims | Everyone, I note the following re Dr. John Poythress of Beaufort related to the Leffers family in Beaufort: http://beaufortartist.blogspot.com/2007/02/remembering-samuel-leffers-1736-1822.html The children Samuel Leffers and Sarah Hampton (1739-1808), as noted in family trees and in Maurice Davis' History of the Hammock House: George (1767-1793) married Hannah Gibble about 1791 and was lost at sea. "They had only one son, Samuel II (1792-1875), who studied medicine under Dr. John Poythress, who had a private infirmary in Beaufort before his death in 1813. The inventory posted aligns with the notion that he had an infirmary. I also see that the Bell surname (we see as a witness to the Will of Dr. John Poythress) was very prominent during the colonial period in Beaufort. This suggests to me that he may have been part of the community for some time if he was instructing in medicine. It also suggests, that he may have had medical training somewhere himself. | 04/07/19 8:16:43 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: clarification on Foxhall Poythress & Fannie Gray cousins | Jackie Malphrus | I love Find-a-Grave because it sometimes has pictures of the cemetery. I don't know if the info in this memorial is correct. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/146490773/foxhall-alexander-poythress | 04/07/19 10:07:57 |
| [POYTHRESS] Children of Henry Randolph IV & Tabitha Poythress | Mike Tutor | Brent, Here are a few things: According to R. Bolling Batte: 285 Tabitha Poythress (1725 - 1805), m. 1742 Henry Randolph (1721 - 1771) of Chesterfield County, son of Henry and Elizabeth (Epes 121 5) Randolph. There were eight children. In 1793, Tabitha made a deed conveying her interest in some slaves to Henry Archer. In Chesterfield County, the Will of Henry Randolph, deceased, June 17, 1769. Give to my son, John Randolph, 1,000 acres called "Plantation" on which testator lived. Give to William Randolph, land called Rich Neck. Give to my sons, Peter Randolph and Thomas Randolph, all of his lands, in Amelia County, equally. Give to my son, Robert Randolph, £500. Give to my son Richard Randolph £500. Give to all my children my personal property and slaves equally. Direct that my unmarried children shall be maintained out of the profits of the estate. Executrix, my wife. Executors, Major Peter Poythress, John Gilliam, Sr., John Gilliam, Jr. The witnesses were Henry Featherstone, William Dyson and John Ratcliffe. John Frederick Dorman names (1) John Randolph (1743-1803), (2) William Randolph (-1807), (3) Peter Randolph (-1812), (4) Thomas Randolph (-c. 1776), (5) Robert Randolph (1759-1831), (6) Richard Randolph (1759-1828), (7) Mary Randolph and (8) Elizabeth Randolph (-1776). | 04/07/19 10:44:36 |
| [POYTHRESS] Mecklenburg County VA -- Great Creek Neighbors | Albert Tims | Julie and List, Related to your recent post about the Foxhall Poythress line, here are the Great Creek “neighboring" landowners in the 1815 Landowners list all listed as E. (east) or southeast (SE) of the courthouse — most referenced as a distance between 18 and 20 miles (likely East of the approximate Boydton area). But as noted in the transcriptions — these distances should be considered approximations and may be impacted by the measured routes available at that time. Even so, this may be helpful information. I am intrigued to see Peter Wynne (estate) on the west side of Great Creek (17E) — adjacent to Lewis Poythress (west side of Great Creek (18E). Since we know a Peter Wynne shared property boundaries with Poythress (Robert, Polly (in Dinwiddie Bath Parish) and others, it may be worth a side trip into the possibility of a Wynne family connection related to these land holdings in Mecklenburg, Mecklenburg County VA wasn’t established until 1765 — prior to that it was part of Brunswick County (1703 - 1765) and before that it was part of Charles City County (1634- 1703). These shifting boundaries likely mean we should be looking for patents and grants that may be in Brunswick County and Charles City County record archives if we can’t find them in Mecklenburg County archives. By the way, for general reference in look at the evolution of boundaries, the Newberry Library’s Dr. William M. Scholl CEnter for American History and Culture has an online interactive Atlas of Historical County Boundaries. It is a valuable tool. You can find it at: https://publications.newberry.org/ahcbp/index.html Also of note: Peter Poythress was nearby — west side Flat CK; 16E. I took a look at Flat Creek on Google Earth along street view crossings — seems like (at least today) a small creek easily crossed on foot. 1815 Mecklenburg VA landowners: Giles, Edward; east side Great CK; 18E Giles, John; west side East Prong of Great CK; 16SE. Jones, Elizabeth; west side Great CK; 18E. Jones, Sarah; Great CK; 18E. Jones, Fredrick; west side Great CK; 18E. Jones, William, G Creek; east and west side Great CK; 20E. Poythress, Lewis; west side Great CK; 18E. Rainey, Elizabeth; west side Great CK; 18E. Rainey, Phillip; west side Great CK; 10SE. Rainey, Smith; west side Great CK; 16SE. Rainey, Williamson; east side Great CK; 17SE Wynne, Peter, estate; west side Great CK; 17E. As to the identity of the Peter Poythress shown in the list, we have a candidate, I suspect, based on a compilation done by John (Maynard) Poythress (deceased) — one of our most prolific and productive contributors to this list (his materials are now housed at the LVA) — with a study of what he titled “First 5 Generations of Thomas Poythress” which is posted to the website. http://poythress.org/family-studies/family-group-sheet-for-thomas-poythress-first-5-generations/ In this compilation (which doesn’t cite specific source materials for the mentions of Peter Poythress, unfortuantely) he provides this timeline and some documentation (I have highlighted the references to Peter Poythress). I find no mention of Lewis Poythress in this study of Thomas Poythress. And this is one of the roadblocks we’ve faced for years. The full study is at: http://poythress.org/family-studies/family-group-sheet-for-thomas-poythress-first-5-generations/ Below is the section referencing a Peter Poythress in Mecklenburg County VA. Thomas POYTHRESS. Born About 1740 in Dinwiddie County, Virginia. 22 Aug 1782..John Morris and Elizabeth Edwards, dau. Thomas Edwards, deceased. Surety Meredith Poythress, who makes affidavit that Elizabeth Edwards lives at the home of his father Thomas Poythress and is 23 years of age. Wit: Griffin Stith (Knorr’s Brunswick Marriages p. 66). 30 Mar 1789. “Thomas Poythress for removing Henry Woodward”..meeting of the Overseers of the Poor at the Court House…from St. Andrews Parish Vestry Book 1732-1797 of Brunswick County, Virginia. By Wm. Linsay Hopkins (abstracted from photocopies in the Virginia State Library). 20 Aug 1795. Deed Book Brunswick County: Thomas Poythress of Brunswick County to George Hicks, for 50 pounds, 85 acres of land. Source: SAR Magazine July 1928 pg. 61. Children: 2 i. Meredith POYTHRESS Sr. Second Generation ************************************************** 2. Meredith POYTHRESS Sr. Son of Thomas POYTHRESS. Died in Screven County, Georgia. He married Edith CLEATON, daughter of William CLEATON & Jane POOLE, 14 Jul 1781 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Marriage info: Marriage Records 1765-1810 Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Surety for marriage: William Cleaton (Edith’s father). They had the following children: 3 i. Peter POYTHRESS 4 ii. Cleaton POYTHRESS 5 iii. Elizabeth POYTHRESS 6 iv. Meredith POYTHRESS Jr. Third Generation ************************************************** 3. Peter POYTHRESS. Son of Meredith POYTHRESS Sr. & Edith CLEATON. Born About 1782 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. 1800 Mecklenburg County Property Tax List shows Peter as a taxable son of Meredith Poythress which would indicate Peter to be between ages of 16 and 21 in year 1800. 4. Cleaton POYTHRESS. Son of Meredith POYTHRESS Sr. & Edith CLEATON. Born in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Died in Screven County, Georgia. 5. Elizabeth POYTHRESS. Daughter of Meredith POYTHRESS Sr. & Edith CLEATON. Born in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Died in Screven County, Georgia. | 04/07/19 10:57:01 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Children of Henry Randolph IV & Tabitha Poythress | Brent Spencer | Thanks for the information. Looks as though my 5th great grandmother, Dorothea (Dorothy) Randolph, who married Henry Hazelrigg Haggard, comes from some other, unknown Randolph family line. | 04/07/19 11:06:27 |
| [POYTHRESS] Dr. John Poythress in North Carolina Governor William Hawkins Papers, 1812 | Albert Tims | Everyone, I’m pleased to share documents I located today that should provide insights into the appointment of Dr. John Poythress as Port Physician in Beaufort, NC circa 1812. Recently digitized papers of Gov. William Hawkins include correspondence related to Dr. John Poythress. I have identified three letters — one nominating him for the post, one complaining about the appointment and one from Dr. Poythress to the governor in response. There is no transcription — we’ll need to tackle that task, but the images are of sufficient quality that I think they’re reasonably readable. This link will take you to a first draft webpage with links to the source archives. I’m excited about this find. I look forward to sharing insights and observations about these records and where we might go next. I have located the microfilm for the newspaper mentioned in my earlier note — not digitized but available on microfilm at the UNC library. http://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-other-states/john-poythress-beaufort-north-carolina-1813/dr-john-poythress-in-north-carolina-governor-william-hawkins-papers-1812/ Al | 04/08/19 5:06:51 |
| [POYTHRESS] Draft transcription of 1847 Thomas E. Poythress Will | Albert Tims | Everyone, I ran across this Will for Thomas E. (Eppes) Poythress in a Kentucky digital archives search. I have included the image files from the Butler County, Kentucky records — complete with what appear to be affirmations of authenticity from Charles City County in Virginia. At the bottom I have added a first draft transcription — with multiple question marks on words still uncertain. I’ll update — perhaps with help from some of you. Why Thomas E. Poythress was living in Butler County KY is something I have yet to research. Butler is in the southwestern part of the state — probably strip mining coal county these days. I don’t believe we’ve seen this Will before now. http://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-other-states/thomas-eppes-poythress-will-1841-kentucky/ Best, Al | 04/08/19 6:58:31 |
| [POYTHRESS] Anna Ella Jones' parents-wife of WL Poythress | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | I've recently been asked about Anna Ella Jones being the daughter of James B. Jones & Martha Newman. I put that link in my Ancestry tree & on FamilySearch because of 3 things: 1) Her marriage record to WL Poythress states she is the daughter of James B. Jones & Martha. Link to Familysearch which is a transcription but also has link to the microfilm: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XR8T-KDX?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=LZZ1-6P9 2) Anna's death record states the same, it also includes that her mother's maiden name, Martha Newman. The death certificate does not say Rehoboth church, but instead it says she is buried "near Blackridge VA". There are a few in this time period, same family that say "buried near Rehoboth church". These are cemeteries I'm actively looking for. Although they will most likely be field stones, I still count how many stones I can find, & check which pieces of land have cemeteries. More on Anna's location in another thread in a few minutes.... death record link in FamilySearch: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99G2-PRDC?i=13&cc=2377565 3) Anna's birth & death dates match the James B. Jones family Bible. Sometimes she is listed as Ella, sometimes Anna. A transcription is on LVA: Note, the middle intitial of a few kids is an N for Newman, not W. I wrote the current care taker of the Bible who told me the N is a little fancy & looks like a W. Sorry, not seeing the link on the site right now. But if you have ancestry, here is a link to James her father in my Ancestry tree, where the Bible transcription is attached. : https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/15292316/person/242240570/facts Julie -- *Julie Nielsen Cabitto* | 04/08/19 7:04:20 |
| [POYTHRESS] Anna Jones & WL Poythress-Annie's story | Julie Nielsen Cabitto | Jerry Poythress gave me Annie Kidd's life story she wrote in about 1960, telling me I can share this. Annie Kidd, married Foxhall Poythress,...she became paralyzed and local doctors couldn't figure out why. She spent a month in the hospital in Richmond. It appears to me, that's when she wrote her life sketch. It is a real treasure to me. Jerry was searching for old papers of interest for the Bracey Community Project, gathering stories of families and the history of the area. Jerry found it in a Bible, in an old cedar chest, which so far examining (the Bible) it does not contain any family history. Foxhall's determination to make sure he got to marry Annie was really enjoyable to read. I read Annie's story story to my mom & grandma last night. It's about 26 handwritten pages, in Annie's handwriting. Not sure yet how to share the format I have, but I'll talk to Al off list about it. One of my favorite parts was Annie writing about how much she loved her in-laws. Here's a page about her in laws Anna Ella Jones and William Lewis Poythress I thought you might enjoy. I love the now a perfect family part. Several people I've talked to that knew Annie, Foxhall & family...they all talk of much love. Their marriage, love for their siblings, parents...but to read it in Annie's word's I really love this. Note the death record for Ella says 11 Jan 1915, not too bad remembering the date 45 years later. Annie's father had died from heart problems in 1911, just 2 years before this part of the story. This is using Annie's spelling & lack of punctuation: "In 1913 Fox mother and father moved in the house with us As their health was bad and was not fit to stay by them selfus And then we had a perfect family Her health got worse all the time I had two children and she was sick all the time From April until the first day of 1914 She was very sick. Some of her children staid with us most of the time. She pass away the 1th day of January 1914. We were in debt them. Then his father had heart trouble Dr said that she was going to die but he could not say which one would go first In Mar 10, 1914 he pass away At that time we hardly knew what to do As time went by Then in war? were working and trying to get out of debt The war no 1 came I did not know whether Fox would have to go or not And I felt I could not live without him. He did not have to go. We were shucking corn when peace came And we were so happy for the others that had to go for they were coming home. Then in 1919 we had another boy The flu was going around and I had it And I did not get well until after my baby was born Feb 4 1919 We named him Everette Luis Poythress" Julie Cabitto -- *Julie Nielsen Cabitto* | 04/08/19 7:45:43 |
| [POYTHRESS] Dr. John Poythress - - Port Physician for Beaufort NC | Albert Tims | Everyone, Continuing the search for Dr. John Poythress of Beaufort (circa 1813), I stumbled across another intriguing historical tidbit we may be able to use as a starting point in finding records of his life in Beaufort. Below is a brief passage from a recent history of Beaufort: A Story of North Carolina's Historic Beaufort by Mamré Marsh Wilson, The History Press, Charleston SC, 2007. This is the passage of interest under the heading Medicine, Doctors and Drugs: “A town cannot actually survive life without having a doctor, dentist or pharmacist to take care of folks who live there. The same is true in Beaufort. Medicine here and throughout the state and the country has come a long way since the early 1800s when the first medical doctor arrived. Dr. John Poythress was legally appointed the port physician for Beaufort. He advertised in the Raleigh Star about the opening of a private infirmary. But, having died later in the year, his dream went with him.” I do not see a footnote as to the source of this account, but it gives us enough to launch a focused search. I will start by looking to see if I can find digitized copies of the Raleigh Star from that time period. If not, I’ll look for microfilm that may exist in a North Carolina archive. As for his appointment as the first port physician, I presume some sort of record of this appointment may yet exist as proof of this claim in the Records of the Town of Beaufort, 1774-1877, Town Hall, Beaufort. I have yet to see if these records have been scanned anywhere. I would welcome advice about this search — as always. My impression from the passage is that he may have died about the time he was opening his infirmary but we don’t yet have a sense of how many years he may have worked as a physician in the community before opening an infirmary. His extensive inventory lends considerable evidence to the notion that he had an established practice. But perhaps not. Here’s a link to the post referenced yesterday with a link to the estate record. I’ll begin to update the evidence trail on the website once we get something more substantial than the tidbits we have at this point. http://poythress.org/2017/09/03/dr-john-poythress-beaufort-nc-mentions-of-death-in-1813/ Please let me know If you have ready access to NC archives or live in proximity to Beaufort and have the interest/time to aid in tracking down this as yet unattached Poythress physician. Or if any of you have a background in medical terminology and would like to take a crack at transcribing the inventory. Can’t hurt to ask;) Al | 04/08/19 9:48:45 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Anna Jones & WL Poythress-Annie's story | Albert Tims | Everyone, It would be a terrific addition to the Poythress website to have a section focused on family histories — oral histories (we can add audio files), handwritten accounts, diary entries, family folklore/accounts passed down about the family’s life and ancestors. Julie, If you send me jpegs or pdfs of Annie Kidd’s life story with a little writeup about how she connects to the Poythress community and her life bio I can put the images of her handwritten account in an image gallery annotated with your covering explanation. We could add a transcription when/if it becomes available. It could be a nice beta test, so to speak. Al | 04/08/19 11:14:09 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Draft transcription of 1847 Thomas E. Poythress Will | Albert Tims | Everyone, As a follow-up to this new first draft transcription and source images, I have located this suit in Virginia Reports, Jefferson--33 Grattan: 1730-1880. Annotated Under the Supervision of Thomas Johnson Michie, Volume 2. Thomas Johnson Michie, January 1, 1902. Michie Company It is titled: *Poythress et als. v. Harrison. January Term. 1855, Richmond. I have extracted the suit below. It provides interesting details about the Will but makes no mention of it being originally filed in Butler County, Kentucky. I plan to soon follow with Rev. War Pension Claim that likely relates to this Thomas E. Poythress and his brother Joshua. 197 *Poythress et als. v. Harrison. January Term. 1855, Richmond. Absent. CLOPTON. J. (He sat in the court below.) W|lls—Legacies—Contlngency*—Case at Bar.——A testator devises his whole estate to his wife for life, remainder to three nephews. with a "condition annexed" to the estates of the remaindermen "that they are to contribute equally to raise the sum of $1000 for Thomas P. Harrison. to be paid him at the death" of the widow. He also gives him a horse. bridle and saddle. to be received as soon as he completes his education: and a watch to be received at the death of the testator. The will then proceeds. “but should he die before he receives any or all of the legacies herein given him. then such as he may not have received." are to go to his sister. Same—Same—Same.—Held: The legacy of $1000 is contingent upon Harrison's surviving the widow. on failure of which it belongs to his sister. It is not. therefore. payable. nor any part of it. until the widow's death though she renounces the will. and the remaindermen receive a. portion of their shares of the estate. In 1847, Thomas E. Poythress died, leaving a will, by which he devised to his wife, Beersheba, all his property for life. The will then proceeded as follows: “Second. At the death of my wife, I give, and bequeath, and devise all my estate, real, personal and mixed, to my brother Joshua Poythress, my nephew William P. Poythress, and my niece Nancy G. D. Harrison, to be equally divided among them, share and share alike, to them and their heirs forever, with this condition annexed —they are to contribute equally to raise the sum of one thousand dollars for Thos. P. Harrison, son of Braxton Harrison, deceased, to be paid him at the death of my wife, which I give to him and his heirs forever. I also give the said Thos. P. Harrison a horse of the value of sixty dollars, and my saddle and bridle, to him and his heirs forever. This last bequest of a horse, saddle and bridle, I wish him to *have as soon as he completes his education. I also give him my silver watch at my death; but should he die be fore he receives any or all of the legacies herein given to him, then, and in that event, I give such as he may not have received to his sister Oceana Harrison, except the watch, which I give to my friend and neighbor, Thos. H. Wilcox.” The will was duly recorded in Charles City county, (of which the testator was a resident.) and shortly thereafter the said Beersheba appeared in court and renounced the provision made for her in the will. In consequence of this, one-third of the negroes and land of the testator were assigned to her, and the remaining two-thirds to the legatees in remainder above named. The rest of the personal estate remained in the hands of the executor, (George Walker.) to be thereafter distributed by him, (after paying the debts of the estate.) one-half to the widow, and the other half to the legatees. In May, 1848, after these proceedings had been had, Thomas P. Harrison, above named, who was an infant, filed a bill by his next friend, setting forth the matters above stated, and insisting, that it was evident the testator intended he should receive his legacy at the same time that the legatees in remainder received theirs; that according to the will, they would not have received their interests until the death of the widow, but that inasmuch as they, by the renunciation of the widow, had become entitled to receive, and had actually received, the greater portion of their legacies, though the widow was yet alive, he also was entitled to receive a like proportion of his. The bill, therefore, prayed that such proportion might be decreed to him. and that provision should be made for the payment of the residue upon the death of the widow. The executor and the devisees in remainder were made parties to the bill, and the former was required to say in his answer whether he had suficient funds in his hands to pay the legacy of $1,000 to the plaintiff. *The defendants answered—the executor stating that he had, as he believed, enough money in his hands to pay the legacy, but that he was unwilling to bind himself by an admission of assets, in the then state of his transactions as executor; and the other defendants, stating that they were willing to secure the payment of the legacy at the death of the widow, if Harrison were then living, denied his right to receive anything until that time, first, because the will directed it to be then paid, and secondly, because the devise to him was one contingent upon his surviving the widow, in failure of which the property was to go to his sister Oceana. On the hearing of the case, the court decreed that the legatees in remainder should pay to Camilla A. M. Harrison, the legally qualified guardian of the infant plaintiff. the sum of $666 66 2/3%, that being two-thirds of his legacy, and should secure the payment of the remaining one-third at the death of the widow. From this decree the legatees appealed to this court. Gholson & Jones, for the appellants, submitted the case on the petition of appeal. Nance, for appellee. FIELD, P., delivered the opinion of the court, in which all the judges concurred. The court is of opinion that the appellee, at the time of instituting his suit in the Circuit Court, was not entitled to recover the legacy of $1,000 bequeathed to him by Thomas E. Poythress, for two reasons: first, because the said legacy was not payable to him until after the death of Mrs. Beersheba Poythress, the testator's widow, although she had renounced the provision made for her in her husband’s will; and secondly, because the said legacy, until after the death of Mrs. Poythress, was contingent, and if the appellee had died in her life-time it would have been payable to his sister, Oceana Harrison, as directed by the will. See Swope v. Tharnbers, 2 Grat. 319. Therefore, it is decreed and ordered, that *the decree of the court below be reversed with costs. And the court here, proceeding to enter such decree as the court below should have entered, doth order the said bill to be dismissed with costs. But this decree is to be without prejudice to the right of the appellee, in the event of his surviving Mrs. Beersheba Poythress, to institute a new suit for the recovery of the same legacy, &c. | 04/09/19 1:02:43 |
| [POYTHRESS] Thomas E. Poythress and Captain Francis Poythress and William P. Poythress | Albert Tims | Everyone, As we look at Thomas E. Poythress in Kentucky and knowing that he and his brothers petitioned for Revolutionary War lands for his father’s service — we may have a clue as to why he may have located to Butler County, KY. The document I’m linking to below was transcribed by John (Maynard) Poythress back in 2011. It is an important addition to our Poythress history resources housed on the website. http://poythress.org/primary-records/military-records/willam-poythess-revolutionary-war-pension-statement/ I also wonder if the William P. Poythress mentioned is related to the William P. Poythress who operated a pharmacy and drug company in Richmond. Here are some of the resources related to William P. Poythress of Richmond. We have an image of a Poythress drug bottle on the website along with an account of his business here: http://poythress.org/image-galleries/poythress-artifacts/poythress-image-artifacts/ Additional background was shared on the mailing list by Barbara Poythress Neal back on March 29th, 2001 (link below) mentioned much earlier messaging https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/poythress.rootsweb.com/thread/11391105/ In addition, his papers are archived at William and Mary: Papers, 1885-1910, of William P. Poythress. Includes correspondence and accounts of his wholesale and retail apothecary business of W. P. Poythress & Co., Richmond, Va. https://scrcguides.libraries.wm.edu/repositories/2/resources/5526 To the best of my knowledge we have not reviewed the papers in the archive for information related to the Poythress family history. | 04/09/19 2:11:49 |
| [POYTHRESS] Deed Data Pool -- Mapping | Albert Tims | Everyone, Has anyone acquired the Deed Data Pool software from Direct Line Software? This software only works with Windows operating system. Here’s the data pool they make available, although the software does overlay user entries, it appears. And I don’t know how accurately it performs with these old land records. There are other counties with Poythress and allied family records in the databases. If this software works then we might make some progress mapping out property locations by time period. Poythress lands already mapped in the database for Dinwiddie County, VA 406 Charles Poythress 20 Aug 1745 VPB 22 p420 300a/ on the lower side of the Oldfield Branch of Butterwood 103 Francis Poythress, Gentleman 22 Sep 1739 VPB 18 p420 3887a Prince George/ on the North side of Butterwood Swamp 242 Francis Poythress 22 Sep 1739 VPB 18 p366 400a Prince George/ 225 John Poythress junior 20 Sep 1745 VPB 22 p496 844a Prince George/ on the N side of Tomahitton Swamp 216 Joshua Poythress of Prince Geor27 Feb 1734/35 VPB 15 p437 382a Prince George/ on the S side of Tommahitton Swamp 480 Peter Poythress 29 May 1780 CGB A p328 Nearly 13a Dinwiddie/ in Bath Parish on S side of Butterwood 709 Peter Poythress 5 Aug 1751 VPB 29 p509 324a Prince George/ on the S Side of Butterwood Swamp 135 William Poythress 3 Aug 1752 VPB 31 p171 531a Dinwiddie/ on the S side of Butterwood Sw. 188 William Poythress, Gentleman 1 Jun 1741 VPB 19 p950 1572a Prince George/ upon the upper side of Tommaheton Swamp 217 William Poythress Gent. 24 Mar 1734/35 VPB 15 p461 400a Prince George/ near Sappone Chappel adj Robert Bollings 134 Majr. William Poythress 1 Jun 1741 VPB 19 p983 200a Prince George/ 129 Capt. Francis Poythris of Princ9 Jul 1724 VPB 12 p68 387a Prince George/ on the Upper or Wet Side of Butterwood S 711 Robert Poythris of Prince Georg28 Sep 1728 VPB 13 p377 291a Prince George/ on the lower Side of Butterwood Swamp 189 Thomas Poythris of Prince Georg20 Jun 1733 VPB 15 p59 400a Prince George/ on the Lower or N side of Tommaheton Swa 807 Thomas Poythris of Prince Georg22 Feb 1724/25 VPB 12 p228 248a Prince George/ on both Sides of the Upper Rockey Run of 128 William Poythris of Prince Geor9 Jul 1724 VPB 12 p68 206a Prince George/ on both Sides of the Ready Br. of Butter 187 William Poythris of Prince Geor20 Jun 1733 VPB 15 p39 1024a Prince George/ on the S side of Tommaheton Swamp 190 William Poythris of Prince Geor20 Jun 1733 VPB 15 p61 381a Prince George/ on the S side of Butterwood Swamp 715 William Poythris of Prince Geor20 Jun 1733 VPB 15 p47 297a Prince George/ on both sides of reedy Br. of Butterwood | 04/09/19 3:57:49 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Dr. John Poythress -- Beaufort NC 1813 Inventory | Kevin Poythress | Al, I have a vacation home in Emerald Isle which is close to Beaufort NC . My wife and I enjoy going to Beaufort frequently and about a year ago we stopped in the Ann Street Methodist Church and found that Rev Francis Poythress was a presiding elder of the church. I didn’t write down the dates but will do that on a return visit. Interestingly one of the administrative workers at the church thought they had a photo of Rev Poythress. I left her my business card for follow up but never heard from her. I will follow up on this. The Old Burying Ground for Beaufort is adjacent to the church. I scoured the cemetery to see if Dr John Poythress had a marker but was unsuccessful. Many of the graves are unmarked. I was told they did not have a listing of the folks buried there but not sure if that is true. Also not sure if there is any connection between Rev Poythress and Dr John Poythress. Kevin N. Poythress, PE Poythress Construction Company, Inc. 1011 Classic Road Apex, NC 27539 919-463-5403 www.pccbuilder.com | 04/09/19 4:12:26 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Dr. John Poythress -- Beaufort NC 1813 Inventory | Albert Tims | Kevin and Everyone, Fantastic! Rev. Poythress was hugely important in establishing Methodist congregations in North Carolina. I’ve written to the archives for the church to see if we can learn more than what I have references in the published histories. He is an important figure in history — we should do justice to his legacy. Dr. John Poythress is fascinating. The correspondence I just posted with Governor Hawkins may offer some revealing clues. I can’t quite tell yet if his commission was a military one. That might lead to new explorations. The person making his nomination, William Blackledge, was a very prominent. This source provides a bio: https://www.ncpedia.org/biography/blackledge-william So, how did Dr. John Poythress come to receive the endorsement? We don’t yet know. Why were some in the community not pleased? We don’t yet know. And what became of Dr. John Poythress’ wife, Polly? We don’t yet know. Kevin, there appear to be records in the courthouse in Beaufort that might provide more insights. And there may be local historians aware of other local histories from the period. If, the next time you visit, you have an opportunity, it would be wonderful if you might do a little digging into what might be available. Both Rev. Francis Poythress and Dr. John Poythress remain mysteries — despite their statures during their lives. If we’re fortunate, we’ll eventually figure out where they belong in the Poythress tree. As far as any of us know, there is just one Poythress progenitor (Francis circa 1632, Jamestown) for the families in the Southeast and Southern states. Thank you for following up on anything you might discover. Al | 04/09/19 6:38:56 |
| [POYTHRESS] 1765 -- Francis Poythress - Chesterfield Co VA deed transaction linked to his grandfather's Will | Albert Tims | Everyone, Below is a record we’ve not much examined for a good many years. The significance of this record, I believe, is because it (may — a hypothesis to test) be evidence of the individual who soon after would become affiliated with Rev. Devereux Jarratt (Bath Parish) and subsequently the prominent Methodist senior elder we’ve been trying to place for a good many years. It would seem to “make sense” that Rev. Francis Poythress would connect to Robert Poythress — but the proof remains inconclusive. There are some clues as to the grandfather references but in the extraction below we have no name of said grandfather. But we do have a description of the provisions in his will and mentions of Hannah Poythress, Mary Poythress and Peter Woodlief. These could be aunts and uncles since they now seem to possess the slaves being sold, but perhaps I’m taking a leap too far since they could be older siblings, etc. I would very much appreciate any insights or alternative possibilities. Below is a post this list back in 2007 with a very interesting alternative suggesting a link to Charles Poythress. What I find especially intriguing is the mention of the Claiborne family (thus Rev. Jarratt and Poythress might come into play somehow). https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/poythress.rootsweb.com/thread/4576620/ I will add that the historical record has Rev. Poythress squandering his inheritances before he found his path in life in the church. This transaction, moreover, might not have been much appreciated by his family since he seemed to be selling his interest despite his relatives having possession at the time of the transaction. Chesterfield County Virginia, Deed Book #5 1764-1765 pg. 424 Francis Poythress of Prince George Count, for £ 15, sells to Thomas Walke, all my right in slaves now in possession of Hannah Poythress, Mary Poythress & Peter Woodlief, which were devised by my grandfather (after the death of his wife) to be divided among his children. Poythress acquits all of his right to said Walke. 23 July 1765 Signed: Francis Poythress Wit: Peter Warren, Nicholas Sims, Robert Poole, Henry Warren Recorded 6 Sept 1765 Source: Chesterfield County Virginia, Deed Book #5 1764-1765, Compiled & Published by Benjamin B. Weisiger III, 1990. Reprinted and Republished by Iberian Publishing Company, 1995. (Page 46) We have a limited number of Will transcriptions to connect with this record — the best fit (so far) is in the Will of Robert Poythress (1743) in which he provided for the type of provision described above. If correct, then the Francis Poythress in the deed above would be Robert Poythress’ grandson. This is hardly proof and does not tell us, even if true, who was the father of this Francis Poythress. http://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-virginia/robert-poythress-prince-george-county-virginia-1743/ And we have this detailed study of Robert posted by Michael Tutor way back on December 29th, 2005. https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/poythress.rootsweb.com/thread/4576620/ Quite a bit to unpack. In pulling this together I also ran across a post from Maynard Poythress about a special collection in the Swem Library at William and Mary — The Tucker Coleman Papers. There are several important Poythress-related documents in the collection as identified by Maynard. I have not seen subsequent posts to suggest that a study of these papers were ever done by anyone posting to this list. Here are the documents in the collection Maynard believed we should explore: https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/poythress.rootsweb.com/thread/1637265/ Tucker, Coalter, Randolph, Coleman, Tucker, St. George, Tucker, Beverley, Coalter, John, Coalter, Ann Frances Bland, Randolph, John, Coleman, Cynthia Beverly Tucker, and Coleman Family. Tucker-Coleman Papers, 1664-1945, 1770-1907. (1664). Print. Papers, primarily 1770-1907, of the Tucker and Coleman families of Williamsburg, Winchester, Lexington, Staunton and Richmond, including papers of St. George Tucker (1752-1827), Nathaniel Beverley Tucker (1784-1851), Henry St. George Tucker(1780-1848), Ann Frances Bland (Tucker) Coalter (1779-1813), John Coalter (1769-1838), John Randolph of Roanoke, and Cynthia Beverley Tucker Washington Coleman (1832-1908) as well as other family members. Members of the family were involved in law, politics, teaching, and historical preservation. The collection includes personal and business correspondence, literary manuscripts, legal documents and accounts. | 04/10/19 10:05:55 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Draft transcription of 1847 Thomas E. Poythress Will | Lyn Baird | Al, nice find. Agreed, I am not recalling this one. --Lyn | 04/15/19 6:23:17 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Draft transcription of 1847 Thomas E. Poythress Will | Albert Tims | Lyn, It is interesting;) Let me know when you’re ready to think about adding a map to your Methodist congregation analysis. Also, any insights come to mind re the 1815 property owner data? I’d like to overlay the land records with the families and the congregation records — somehow. Finally (for now) — do you see any significance in finding a Peter Wynne (estate) pretty much upstream from Lewis Poythress circa 1815? I wonder if these lands might have been granted back when they would have been part of Charles City County or Surry (1652- 1723). The 1815 data is so roughly approximate it seems hard to tell, other than by the location of the creeks, to know for sure but I think Surry would be right. I’d like to build on the momentum you created with your analysis. We still have the hanging thread related to the reason we see John C. Poythress as an early trustee of Randolph-Macon. I wonder of they have early records or correspondence related to this period. All I have seen so far is the book by Richard Irby. Title: History of Randolph-Macon College, Virginia The Oldest Incorporated Methodist College in America. Seems there is plenty left for us to figure out;) Best, Al | 04/16/19 1:16:46 |
| [POYTHRESS] David Poythress in Census 1870 Warren NC? | Lyn Baird | At http://poythress.org/primary-records/census-compliations/north-carolina-census/ we have this entry: HH 26 – Smith Creek Twp., page 640, 9 July Poythress,? Delir , age 63, male, white, farmer, value per. Est. 300, born VA, cannot read and write , Sarah , age 45, female, white, born VA, , Lucie , age 16, female, white, born VA , Alice , age 12, female, white, born VA, attends school I wish to propose or re-assert this must be David Poythress (b. Mecklenburg Co., Va. Ca. 1807; on David Poythress see http://poythress.org/family-studies/study-of-lewis-david-poythress-virginia/ for more). Also I suggest we add a note to this effect at this entry at http://poythress.org/primary-records/census-compliations/north-carolina-census/. Michael Tutor clearly agreed. In his 12/5/2005 message to the listserve containing a vast number of Poythress census entries, he reports this entry as “David Poythress” without comment otherwise. But really this needs some comment, because the handwriting for “David” is really not decipherable – something like “D _ l i a” or “D _ _ i d” is all that can be extracted. The indexer interpreted as “Delia”, which turns out to be uselessly misleading. Certainly this tripped me up; I missed at first this was David Poythress. And I know from looking back at the listserve archive it has tripped up others in the past. For researchers who may come after us, I would like here to attempt to put to rest that this must be the above David Poythress. To see this, let’s look across the censuses at the entries for the David Poythress household: Census 1850 Va. Mecklenburg household 134, 98th regiment Census 1860 N.C. Warren household 425, post office Warrenton Census 1870 N.C. Warren household 26, Smith Creek, post office Ridgeway Census 1880 N.C. Warren household 399, Nutbush Entries for David Poythress: 1850: Poythress, David; age 44; male; born Virginia 1860: Poythress, D.; age 53; male; born Mecklenburg Virginia 1870: Poythress, D _ _ _ _; age 63; male; white; born Virginia Entries for Sarah (Sally) Dortch Poythress 1850: Poythress, Sally; age 32; female; born Virginia 1860: Poythress, S. R.; age 40; female; born Mecklenburg Virginia 1870: Poythress, Sarah; age 45; female; white; born Virginia 1880: Poythress, Sallie; white; female; age 60; widowed; born Virginia; parents born Virginia (in household of India Poythress; relation to head = mother) Entry for Lucy Poythress 1860: Poythress, L. M.; age 7; female; born Mecklenburg Virginia 1870: Poythress, Lucie; age 16; female; white; born Virginia Entry for Alice Poythress 1860: Poythress, A. M.; age 4; female; born Mecklenburg Virginia 1870: Poythress, Alice; age 12; female; white; born Virginia For me this shows beyond doubt that this 1870 household is that of David Poythress. We know too much about Poythresses in this region at this time to imagine this could be a household of some otherwise unknown white, male Poythress, born in Virginia, with the given name of DELIA -- say it is not so. I am discounting the age irregularities, as we see this or worse all the time in the census records. Comments from others are welcomed – especially descendants and real researchers of the David Poythress line, which I am not. For reference, the entry is cited as follows on familysearch.org: (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWDW-983 : 12 April 2016), Delia Poythress, North Carolina, United States; citing p. 4, family 26, NARA microfilm publication M593 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.); FHL microfilm 552,663. Are we agreed to nail down this entry as David Poythress? Or what am I missing? Please comment. Thanks. --Lyn | 04/27/19 7:47:09 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: David Poythress in Census 1870 Warren NC? | BARBARA WOLFE | Lyn, Thank you for your ‘eagle eye’ in detecting the census record regarding “Delir” Poythress. I am in perfect agreement with your analysis. My Dortch records show that Sarah Dortch and one William Dortch were siblings. William had a son named Oliver born in 1843, Nutbush, Warren, NC. He and Charles David (born 1849) therefore were first cousins. The dates of their births coincide with the census too. So again, many thanks! Al, how should I add this to the study of David Poythress? So exciting to put another piece of the puzzle together. Best, Barbara (BPW) | 04/27/19 8:48:18 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: David Poythress in Census 1870 Warren NC? | Albert Tims | Lyn, Excellent. There may be even more evidence in the census record you highlight from the North Carolina census compilation posted to the Poythress site (http://poythress.org/primary-records/census-compliations/north-carolina-census/ I agree with your deduction. In addition, I am surprised we missed noting that the known son of David E. Poythress, Charles David Poythress, is a living just a few households away from this “Delir” Poythress. And a living with Charles David is Oliver Dortch (born VA) — seemingly working as a clerk in Charles David’s dry goods store. I wonder if the Dortch researchers would know if/how this young Oliver Dortch might be related to David’s wife - cousin, younger brother? I think this further strengthens the case you present. I also note here mention of a “Baily” Poytess nearby — a mail carrier, also born in VA — age 16. I wonder if we might sort out if this is an unidentified Poythress or another questionable census entry? So, would you like a note added to this census entry or and/or elsewhere? I think it would be helpful to link your compilation to the census entry. I can go to the Ancestry site and add a note to the census record for Delia — unless there is a case to be made for holding off on something like that. Barbara Poythress Wolfe developed the study of David Poythress we have posted — perhaps she’ll consider adding your analysis to that study. On behalf of all of us who trace family lines back to David Poythress (where we remain stuck for lack of any verified evidence of his parentage) — thank you! I think this is a meaningful clarification and may open new avenues of study, especially if we can find anything more about Oliver Dortch and young “Baiily” Poytess. I posted an analysis of David’s connection to Weldon Edwards and his role as an overseer in Warren County NC here: http://poythress.org/2017/10/12/david-poythress-connection-to-weldon-edwards-property-in-warren-county-north-carolina/ Best, Al Warren County HH 35 – Nutbush Twp., page 520, 8 June Poythress, Chas. D. , age 20 male, white, dry goods retail merchant, value per. Est. 1000, born VA Dortch, Oliver , age 26, male, white, clerk dry goods store, born VA HH 41 – Nutbush Twp., page 521, 9 June Poytess, Baily , age 16, male, white, mail carrier, born VA HH 26 – Smith Creek Twp., page 640, 9 July Poythress,? Delir , age 63, male, white, farmer, value per. Est. 300, born VA, cannot read and write , Sarah , age 45, female, white, born VA, , Lucie , age 16, female, white, born VA , Alice , age 12, female, white, born VA, attends school | 04/27/19 10:35:14 |
| [POYTHRESS] David Poythress in Census 1870 Warren NC | Albert Tims | Barbara (Poythress Wolfe), Lyn Baird and List, Barbara, thank you. Your quick identification of Oliver Dortch further confirms Lyn’s analysis since Sarah (Sally) is shown in Delir’s household and her cousin Oliver is shown in Charles David’s household a few households away in the same neighborhood. (By the way, Oliver is coded as “Jewett” in Ancestry’s census record, but the script is quite easily read as Oliver. I just added an alternative spelling for his given name as Oliver.) We don’t see any other census record for David in 1870 and know that David continued to live in the area and died September 26, 1876, as documented in Barbara’s study of David Poythress. Lyn nailed it! Questions/issues arising from Lyn’s new finding and Barbara’s existing study: 1. Does anyone have thoughts/theories about who “Baily” Poytress (Nutbush: age 16, male, white, mail carrier, born VA) might be based on the close proximity and the 1870 time period? I believe he is a stray inclusion. Here’s why: He is coded on Ancestry’s census records as Bailey Payton, not Poytess. And he is incorrectly coded as born in VA, but comparing the script for NC and VA with others on the same census page, I believe he was born in North Carolina. So, I think there is a case to be made that he should be removed from the Poythress census compilation— or that we should add a notation suggesting he may be a Payton born in NC. I’m not expert at deciphering handwriting but I’d agree that Payton comes much closer that Poytess. Barbara — If possible, could you verify the date you show for Charles David in Nutbush in your study? You show his DOB at 1849 but the following entry seems inconsistent: " In the 1850 North Carolina census (Nutbush Township, Post Office: Manson) he is listed as age 20, a dry good retail merchant, birth place Virginia. He is enumerated with Steven Dortch who is 26, clerk in the dry goods store, age 26.” I just looked at his record and see what you cite is for 1870, not 1850. I’d like to correct the typo— with you permission. Also, your study indicates it was a Steven Dortch, age 26, living in his household, but as noted above, it sure looks like it may have been Oliver. Do you have additional Dortch family information that might clarify if “Jewett” or “Oliver” or “Steven” is correct? I can sorta see why Steven might be a reading of the script but just a few households above is another Steven and there is no real similarity — I’m fairly confident, especially with the information you just provided, that Oliver is our man. http://poythress.org/family-studies/study-of-lewis-david-poythress-virginia/ 2. Here’s a gem you have in your current study that might be another connecting dot, so to speak. Is the William Dortch (father of Oliver) related to the William Dortch mentioned as living in the household of Benjamin Stanley? If so, does this further strengthen the possibility that David E. Poythress is an otherwise undocumented son of Lewis Poythress, Sr.? "David’s second family with Sally Dortch: Charles David, Lucy M., Sallie, and Alice M. (The two sisters, Lucy and Alice, married two Twisdale brothers of Indiana Peru, Charles David’s wife.) In 1860 a William Dortch was living in the household of Benjamin Stanley. He does not show up in that household’s members because he was added at the end of another page, as being omitted. This connection was made by a Dortch family researcher and posted to the Poythress mailing list in 2004. Brunswick County, VA, Meherrin Dist. HH 22 – Wm. Dortch (omitted), age 17, male, farm laborer, born VA. Both pages with entries for HH 22 are documented below: Stanley HH 22 1860 Federal Census The significance of this it that it puts a Dortch in the household of a known daughter of Lewis Poythress, Sr. This further strengthens the theory that Lewis Poythress was David’s father — this is as yet unproven however.” The longstanding association between David Poythress and Rebecca (Poythress) Stanley seems well evidenced by this record in Barbara’s study of David E. Poythress: 21 Jan 1832 Consent by Lewis and Rebecca Poythress for daughter Rebecca to marry Benjamin Standley. Witness: David Poythress. Ibid. 1831-1835 A-Z Reel 68 p. 265-269. ( Note: Census records spell as Benjamin Stanley.) 3. As for how best to reflect Lyn’s new contribution, I would hope that Lyn would agree to work with you (us) to incorporate his study of the census records into your study and that you might weave it in together what you may have about young Oliver’s family and link it to your insights quoted in the passage below. This approach would be more helpful for researchers than posting a separate page or leaving Lyn’s efforts on the mailing list. Assuming none object, I see that someone named Tom Wolf added a “David” notation back in 2012 to the Delia given name to the Ancestry site. I’ll add one to our census compilation. And I’ll see if same can/has been done to the record at FamilySearch. If you and Lyn are game, we’ll expand the current study of David. I welcome further advice. 4. Barbara Poythress Neal might be able to tell us if the Y-DNA project she has administered for many years offers any evidence to suggest that male descendants of David Poythress are genetically related within a few generations to male descendants of Lewis Poythress — without revealing any individuals who may be part of the study beyond confirming their established lineages to these two men? I don’t know if this is possible but it could help advance or dispel the as yet unproven case that David was Rebecca’s older brother. Best, Al | 04/28/19 11:41:22 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: David Poythress in Census 1870 Warren NC | Lyn Baird | Barbara and Al, thank you for your confirmation that we should treat this census entry as David Poythress. Let's get this noted and nailed down now so later researchers will not miss it! And Al, thank you for the guiding questions. * [1] My guess, not sure, is that this is a Baily Payton. It does look like born in Virginia. There appear to be quite a number of Payton/Peyton names in the region. In absence of other information, I am not inclined to chase him as one of ours. * [2] Yes, that William Dortch is interesting. Sometime we should pull together all the bondmen of our first half 19th century Va and NC marriages. The patterns will be rich, I know. Unfortunately patterns do not relations make. But I know the circumstantial evidence is there. * [3] I would be glad to help expand the study of David. I am not a David researcher and have only tidbits, but I will be glad to contribute as I can. I'm sure there are others who could contribute also. So sorry for the belated response! --Lyn Poythress Baird | 05/06/19 6:28:38 |
| [POYTHRESS] Correction to post 25 Mar 2019-Annie Poythress | Julie Cabitto | Hello Poythress list, I was reviewing emails & wanted to clarify something in this portion of the email below, sent 25 Mar 2019. Foxhall Poythress was married to Annie Mae Kidd. Her maiden name was not Gunn. Annie was the daughter of Jimmy Kidd & Nannie Gray. Thanks to Al for all the amazing work trying to document & make Poythress info accessible on the website. Julie | 05/11/19 7:36:24 |
| [POYTHRESS] request feedback Lewis Poythress children-VA | Julie Cabitto | Hi Poythress researchers, I didn't realize that there are more of Lewis Poythress children still in theory, but not confirmed on paper yet, besides my Sarah Poythress. I read a few list emails from the last month that made me wonder. I live in VA, & my research is half Virginia focused, concentrated in Mecklenburg & Brunswick. My Poythress research for years is mostly around trying to prove family links of Lewis Poythress in Mecklenburg. I make visual charts to help me. I will thoroughly be reviewing the website this month with regards to Lewis. In the meantime, this is what I have. Do any of you know differently? I only know for sure Lewis Y & Thomas Poythress are confirmed children of Lewis because of Mecklenburg VA deed book 31, pg 605. Is there paper proof of any other children? In brief summary: Lewis Poythress (1760 to 1846-1848) 1st Marriage: Elizabeth Patsey Giles (1732 to bef 1802) child 1: Edward Poythress (1798 to ?) child 2: David Poythress (1800-1876) 2nd marriage to Rebecca Taylor (abt 1781 to abt 1852) child 3: James Edward Poythress (1803-1863) child 4: Rebecca L. Poythress (1809-1861) *child 5: Lewis Y. Poythress (1813-1874) ***CONFIRMED LINK: FROM DEED *child 6: Thomas M. Poythress (1815 to 1891) ***CONFIRMED LINK: FROM DEED child 7: Sarah G. Poythress (1816-1853) Are there any other people who could in theory be children of Lewis that I am missing? If this matches what you all have & know, Ill get started on a chart. I'm happy to share it & I can revise it as I learn more. My hope is my collaborative work with the land & trying to get GPS pins for my map of where they actually lived, will help us find some more paper proof. *Julie Cabitto* *Snail mail: **PO Box 9143, Fredericksburg VA 22403, USA* *Julie's Mecklenburg,VA Gen map: * link "click here" *My Virginia Gen blog*: https://juliecabitto-preservinghistoryrecords.blogspot.com/ | 05/12/19 6:51:51 |
| [POYTHRESS] request feedback Lewis Poythress children-VA | Mike Tutor | Hi Julie, I do not have all of my Poythress information in front of me but I do have a chart from years ago. Let me know if you have disproven any of it. I did change the dates for Lewis Y.'s birth & death to what you have and I changed the birth for Thomas to what you have. I showed eight children for Lewis Poythress. I have wondered what the status was as to whether the documents had confirmed them all as his children or whether the preponderance of the evidence had concluded that they were all his children. Lewis Poythress (c.1770-bef. 1850) m(1) Elizabeth Patsy Giles (c. 1773-bef. 1802) 1. Edward Poythress (c. 1798-aft. 1860) 2. John Poythress (c. 1800-1818) m(2) Rebecca B. Taylor (c. 1780-aft. 1845) 3. James Edward Poythress (1803-1863) 4. David Poythress (1805-1876) 5. Rebecca L. Poythress (1809-1861) 6. Lewis Y. Poythress (1813-1874) 7. Sarah G. Poythress (1814-1854) 8. Thomas M. Poythress (1815-1891) When Lewis Poythress' father, Thomas Poythress, moved to Georgia, didn't all of Lewis Poythress' brothers leave Virginia? | 05/13/19 9:47:16 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 48 | Julie Cabitto | Al & Lyn, Thank you so much for this compilation & having it put on the website. I was trying to print from the list emails, getting duplications from replies etc. This is really helpful to me, with my Poythress searching in Mecklenburg, VA. Some of this I had already come to the same conclusions. But a lot of this is new for me, in Poythress family relationships. Thank you! Julie Cabitto PS, still not hearing back from libraries, but I do still plan to find this book | 05/14/19 3:15:23 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress marriage bonds, images-Mecklenburg VA 1781-1802 | Julie Cabitto | Hi List, About 2 weeks ago I was told the Mecklenburg County VA library had old newspaper & marriage records. I looked today & found marriage bond images for Lewis, Meredith & William. No account needed. I couldn't link directly to the images, so here's the numbers: https://dr651c.bmiimaging.com/index/index?datasetName=Mecklenburg%20County%20Public%20Library&DocumentType=MARRIAGE%20RECORDS At that link, click on marriage roll #6. (Click on the number 6). There are sometimes 3 scans of same image, trying to get a clear image. click on the image number at the top, then it will let you type in the numbers below. image# 373 --year 1792 Lewis Poythress mar to Patsy Giles (bond Meredith Poythress, witness Newman Dortch) image# 377 --year 1802 Lewis Poythress mar to Rebecca Taylor (bond Thomas Watson, witness John Dortch) image# 379 --year 1781 Meredith Poythress to Edith Cleaton (bond William Cleaton, witness John Brown) image# 381 --year 1802 William Poythress to Ann Bently (bond Thomas Rogers, witness James Parham) I have a Mecklenburg marriage book, but thought it was way cooler to see the images of the bond. I don't remember seeing this William before, but I checked & he's in the marriage book I have. There are some minister returns on these microfilms too, but not for this group. Julie Cabitto | 05/14/19 5:54:25 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 75 | Hi Julie, I found Oliver Dortch living in the household of a known son of David E. Poythress when I did a Census Project for our website many years ago 1870 Warren County NC H. H. 35 , Nutbush Twp., pg. 520 Poythress Chas dry goods merchant age 20, born VA Dortch, Oliver, dry goods clerk age 26, born VA 1870 Warren County, NC H.H. 26 Smith Creek Twp. pg. 640 Poythress/Delir/Known to be David E. Poythress " " Sarah, wife, age 45, born VA " " Lucie, daughter, age 16, born VA " " Alice, daughter, age 12 born VA Sincerely,Elaine Poythress Criddle Thank you Mike! I did not have John Poythress. I might need to try footnotes in the chart, to notate where we got the pieces of info. No, not all children left VA. Thomas M. Poythress married Lucy Thomas & stayed in Mecklenburg. Also buried there. Sarah Poythress married William Archer Dortch. Their son Alvy Dortch (my family) stayed in Mecklenburg until 1900. Their son Oliver Jasper Dortch moved to Warren, NC abt 1870, probably living close to David Poythress, in Nutbush. Something I want to find out. I plan to visit Warren soon to look into that. Thanks, *Julie Cabitto* | 05/14/19 7:25:36 | |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: request feedback Lewis Poythress children-VA | Albert Tims | Julie, David Poythress may have been born in 1800 or he may have been born in 1806 or 1807. The census records from 1850 (Mecklenburg County VA) and 1860 and 1870 (Warren County NC) consistently show his birth year as 1806-7. But the transcription we have from his memorial in North Carolina has 1800. But I see a note on Find A Grave: "Said to have been buried in the family plot near Middleburg, later moved to the family plot in Elmwood." I do not see a photo of his memorial, nor do I know when he might have been moved and the marker in Elmwood created. This is significant since a birth year of 1807 would mean that his mother may have been Rebecca Taylor rather than Patsey Giles, assuming we can eventually document that Lewis was his father. I also wonder about the birth year of Patsey Giles. If she was born circa 1732 then she would have been in her mid-60s when Edward Poythress was born. I suspect Barbara Poythress Neal may have much of what is known pretty well nailed down. Best, Al | 05/14/19 8:18:42 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: David Poythress in Census 1870 Warren NC | Albert Tims | Lyn, Thank you. I wonder if you and Barbara might like to propose language we can use to update her study of David Poythress. I certainly think we could add all the census records and the clarifying work re Oliver and Delir;) Here’s the current version of the study Barbara provided: http://poythress.org/family-studies/study-of-lewis-david-poythress-virginia/ David’s parentage, without doubt, is where the Poythress link breaks for many of us — I agree that we should take a deeper dive into the allied families, bondsmen, property locations, etc. Your understanding of the communities and the history of the region is far more helpful than you may realize. Thank you! Best, Al | 05/14/19 8:27:05 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 76 | Julie Cabitto | Thanks Al, I started working on a chart today. I'll put links where proven on paper & the rest of children near by as theory. Also going to try a time line on the same pg for a few things, like when Lewis Poythress children left VA & when land was purchased. Will share when I finish. *Julie Cabitto* | 05/14/19 12:07:53 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 75 | Julie Cabitto | Thank you Mike! I did not have John Poythress. I might need to try footnotes in the chart, to notate where we got the pieces of info. No, not all children left VA. Thomas M. Poythress married Lucy Thomas & stayed in Mecklenburg. Also buried there. Sarah Poythress married William Archer Dortch. Their son Alvy Dortch (my family) stayed in Mecklenburg until 1900. Their son Oliver Jasper Dortch moved to Warren, NC abt 1870, probably living close to David Poythress, in Nutbush. Something I want to find out. I plan to visit Warren soon to look into that. Thanks, *Julie Cabitto* | 05/14/19 12:18:39 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 72 | Julie Cabitto | Hi List, Sorry if it keeps showing up digest & numbered. I'm not sure how my settings got like that. Wanted to reply to the Dortch Warren, NC messages here. This William Dortch is my gr...grandfather. Hester Dortch (daughter of Alvy Dortch, grand daughter of William Dortch & Sarah Poythress) copied our family Bible in about 1919. There were multiple fires that destroyed Hester's siblings' homes, records, etc for this family. The original Bible was in one of those fires. But Hester's grand daughter gave me a typed copy in 2004. It was typed in outline format, doubting it was written that way. "T" was dropped from Dortch in this version. There are some minor copying errors, which I correct in brackets. William Dorch b. 12/28/1816, d. 6/23/1859 married first Sarah G. Poythress on 31 Jan 1837. Sarah was b. 1/6/1814, d. 12/12/1854 Their children were: A. Martha William Dorch b. 1/15/1838 m. John S. Vaughan on 12/8/1863 1. Mathew C. Vaughan b. 5/31/1866 2. Fannie W. Vaughan b. 10/5/1869 B. Henrietta Spaud Dorch b. 10/30/1839, d. 1/19/1843 [I believe should say Speed] C. Oliver Jasper Dorch b. 2/3/1843, m. A.D. Vallinding on 12/20/1871. 2 children [married Agnes Jennie Vanlandingham and they had 8 children] D. Alvin Newton Dorch b. 12/6/1844, d. 8/1915 married Tenneysee Jordan Glover on 4/5/1866. Tenneysee b. 26 Jul 1847, d. 10/25/1919. Their children: [Tennessee, all 11 of their children's birth dates were given, including my line through Theresa India Dortch] E. Thomas Newman Dorch b. 7/7/1847, d. 10/8/1857 William Dorch m. 2nd Elizabeth ___?__ in 1855. [Elizabeth Mise, married 9 May 1854. ___________________ At the time of the war, Alvy & Oliver (OJ) were orphaned. Their sister Martha lived until abt 1870. So the brothers joined the Confederacy. Alvy joined at age 17 & was in Point Lookout. After the war, OJ went to Warren, NC & lived the rest of his life there. Alvy remained in Mecklenburg until about 1900. William Dortch's parents were Newman Dortch & Sarah Ann Speed. These things are all in my Ancestry.com tree. If you are on Ancestry, here is a link to my William: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/15292316/person/242240000/facts Thanks for the other Census notes on Poythress mispelled on Census. Not sure I had all these Julie Cabitto | 05/15/19 2:59:54 |
| [POYTHRESS] 1870 Census David Poythress notes & Dortch connections | Julie Cabitto | regarding Poyhress list dated 27 Apr 2019: I agree with Michael Tutor & Lyn's notes on the 1870 Census. Interestingly when I went to look for it, Ancestry had already marked it as a hint for David Poythress in my tree, so I just attached that in my tree. Here is the chart Al put up on the Poythress web pg that will show the Dortch-Poythress connections: http://poythress.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/James-Speed-land.pdf As far as William Dortch in 1860 with Ben Stanley, it cannot be Oliver Jasper's father. Because that William died in 1859, see Bible notes below. I have that Census pg & saw no William Dortch. Thank you for the notes he was omitted, I had not seen this before & it's rather big for me. I looked at the end of the batch & saw him. He is listen as Wm Dortch age 17, farm laborer. William, the father of Oliver Jasper Dortch would have been 44. But, my Alvy Dortch (son of William), age 17 has never been found on the 1860 Census. The family story was Alvy was 17 when enlisted, but I'm now realizing he was really age 16 in 1860, so close, but he was just a bit older. So,.... I am convinced this is actually Alvy, son of William Dortch & Sarah Poythress, brother to OJ Dortch. And that is pretty cool he's with Ben Stanley & Rebecca Poythress after his parents died. They would be his aunt & uncle. He often wrote his name AN Dortch, but that really does look like a Wm on the Census. BPW wrote she had William Dortch & Sarah were siblings. This is correct. David Poythress 2 wives were sisters, and William was a brother, all children of Newman Dortch (bondsman for Lewis Poythress marriage to Patsy Giles ) & Sarah Speed. One of these days I will find some good paper proof, I'm determined! For now there is a lot of good circumstantial evidence & connections. Julie Cabitto **************** Here is a post I did about an hour ago, but probably got lost in multiple subjects so reposting here: _________________________________ Hi List, Sorry if it keeps showing up digest & numbered. I'm not sure how my settings got like that. Wanted to reply to the Dortch Warren, NC messages here. This William Dortch is my gr...grandfather. Hester Dortch (daughter of Alvy Dortch, grand daughter of William Dortch & Sarah Poythress) copied our family Bible in about 1919. There were multiple fires that destroyed Hester's siblings' homes, records, etc for this family. The original Bible was in one of those fires. But Hester's grand daughter gave me a typed copy in 2004. It was typed in outline format, doubting it was written that way. "T" was dropped from Dortch in this version. There are some minor copying errors, which I correct in brackets. William Dorch b. 12/28/1816, d. 6/23/1859 married first Sarah G. Poythress on 31 Jan 1837. Sarah was b. 1/6/1814, d. 12/12/1854 Their children were: A. Martha William Dorch b. 1/15/1838 m. John S. Vaughan on 12/8/1863 1. Mathew C. Vaughan b. 5/31/1866 2. Fannie W. Vaughan b. 10/5/1869 B. Henrietta Spaud Dorch b. 10/30/1839, d. 1/19/1843 [I believe should say Speed] C. Oliver Jasper Dorch b. 2/3/1843, m. A.D. Vallinding on 12/20/1871. 2 children [married Agnes Jennie Vanlandingham and they had 8 children] D. Alvin Newton Dorch b. 12/6/1844, d. 8/1915 married Tenneysee Jordan Glover on 4/5/1866. Tenneysee b. 26 Jul 1847, d. 10/25/1919. Their children: [Tennessee, all 11 of their children's birth dates were given, including my line through Theresa India Dortch] E. Thomas Newman Dorch b. 7/7/1847, d. 10/8/1857 William Dorch m. 2nd Elizabeth ___?__ in 1855. [Elizabeth Mise, married 9 May 1854. ___________________ At the time of the war, Alvy & Oliver (OJ) were orphaned. Their sister Martha lived until abt 1870. So the brothers joined the Confederacy. Alvy joined at age 17 & was in Point Lookout. After the war, OJ went to Warren, NC & lived the rest of his life there. Alvy remained in Mecklenburg until about 1900. William Dortch's parents were Newman Dortch & Sarah Ann Speed. These things are all in my Ancestry.com tree. If you are on Ancestry, here is a link to my William: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/15292316/person/242240000/facts Thanks for the other Census notes on Poythress mispelled on Census. Not sure I had all these Julie Cabitto | 05/15/19 4:37:19 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 72 | Albert Tims | Julie, Do you know Sarah G. Poythress’s parents? Best, Al | 05/15/19 8:42:01 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 83 | Julie Cabitto | Al, Sarah G. Poythress married to William Archer Dortch is as far back as I can prove on paper on the Poythress line. So the theory is, she would be one of Lewis Poythress & Rebecca Taylor's children. But still searching for that proof. Julie Cabitto | 05/15/19 8:44:33 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 60 | Julie Cabitto | Hi Al, Regarding the Great Creek neighbors,...I took this list you had then when I got my copy of the book, looked at others with those same numbers. I was a bit baffled because 3 creeks were listed as 16E to 18E on the east side of Great Creek, one creek was actually on the west of Great Creek. It looks like people marked 18E were about 3 miles in radius. I took the book with me on my visit to Mecklenburg in April to show people who knew the area well. They said the same thing, this is a very wide range. So we're hoping to figure out the numbering system. I saw your message to the list about Deed mapper. I only just heard about that 2 weeks ago. I'm thinking seriously about purchasing that to help me with mapping. I'll let you know if/when I do. Julie Cabitto | 05/15/19 10:20:41 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 60 | Julie Cabitto | Al, Thank you for the info on Lewis, Meredith & Peter Poythress. I've printed this email as well as Lyn Bairds notes from the Circuit messages to work on my chart & to take with me for upcoming courthouse & LVA visits. Julie | 05/15/19 10:26:10 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 79 | Julie Cabitto | Elaine, Thank you! I totally forgot the cousins Oliver Jasper Dorth & Charles were in the same house in 1870. I haven't looked at that in 10+ years. Thanks for the reminder Julie Cabitto | 05/15/19 11:29:18 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 68 | Julie Cabitto | Hi Al, I'm glad you have mentioned Peter Winn & that he was in Dinwiddie. Before you started talking about him, I only associated the name Winn with the Thomas family, a few of them have middle name Winn like Tinsy Winn Thomas. Some say that is also Robin Thomas' middle name with land around Rehoboth church, but I'm not sure of that yet. Also thinking I saw at least one Winn & Thomas marriage or sometimes spelled Wynne. The families did live near eachother. I also repeatedly see families migrating in groups here, and the families of course marry eachother. So I'll keep my eyes watching for a connection & will let you know when I find something. Julie Cabitto | 05/15/19 11:49:10 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 68 | Julie Cabitto | Al & List correction: not Dinwiddie but rather this sentence Al said: "I wonder if these lands might have been granted back when they would have been part of Charles City County or Surry (1652- 1723). The 1815 data is so roughly approximate it seems hard to tell, other than by the location of the creeks, to know for sure but I think Surry would be right. " I find that really interesting, & placing that in one of my folders for questions to ponder & look out for. Thanks, Julie Cabitto | 05/15/19 11:53:55 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: David Poythress in Census 1870 Warren NC | Mike Tutor | I cannot find the source where I got this but I have: David Poythress, 1/26/1805 - 9/26/1876. I also have James Edward Poythress, 8/13/1803 - 1/17/1863. Anyone see this before? | 05/16/19 9:31:38 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 72 | Mike Tutor | I have Sarah G. Poythress, 1/6/1814 - 12/12/1854. - | 05/16/19 9:39:13 |
| [POYTHRESS] William Poythress-Meckl VA & Barbara msg 2009 | Julie Cabitto | I've been trying to figure out who could be the William Poythress that married Ann Bently in Mecklenburg, VA, just 6 months after Lewis Poythress married Rebecca Taylor, in 1802. I haven't seen him except on this marriage record. And I want to know more because what if some children suspected of being Lewis Poythress children could be William's? Yet I never see this William in any searches I've tried. I went to see if anyone wrote about William before. Saw this post from Barbara in 2009. Was totally surprised to see Thomas Steagall, because that's another direct line of mine. If you take say Foxhall Poythress, ....Fox's mother is Anna Ella Jones who is the daughter of James B. Jones & Martha Newman. Martha is the daughter of Abner Newman & Dorothy Delilah Steagall. Dorothy is the daughter of Thomas Steagall & Elizabeth. Here's that link to earlier message: https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/poythress.rootsweb.com/thread/1941021/ Julie Cabitto | 05/17/19 4:32:19 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: request feedback Lewis Poythress children-VA | Lyn Baird | Mike, thanks for sharing this. What I have is similar with some differences, indicating the five known and three candidate children in this birth order: (1) Edward Poythress; known child; b. ca. 1798; mother Elizabeth Giles (2) John Poythress; known child; b. ???; mother Elizabeth Giles (3) James Edward Poythress; candidate child; b. 1803; mother candidate Rebecca Taylor (4) David Poythress; candidate child; b. ca. 1807; mother candidate Rebecca Taylor (5) Rebecca L. Poythress; known child; b. ca. 1808-1810; mother Rebecca Taylor (6) Sarah G. Poythress; candidate child; b. 1814; mother candidate Rebecca Taylor (7) Lewis Y. Poythress; known child; ca. 1819; mother Rebecca Taylor (8) Thomas M. Poythress; known child; ca. 1821-1823; mother Rebecca Taylor These differences are based on the following: * Birth of David Poythress is based on census records (1870=63; 1860=53; 1850=44). * Birth of Lewis Y. Poythress is based on census records (1870=51; 1860=40; 1850=37) and on his home guard service record and his death certificate, both of which point to 1819. * Birth of Thomas M. Poythress is based on census records (1880=60; 1870=47; 1860=37; but 1850=35 that I treat as an outlier) and his death certificate. I would be interested to know your sources for the following, which I did not have: * You have birth of John Poythress as ca. 1800. Please where is this from? * You have death of Rebecca L. Poythress as 1861. Please where is this from? Regarding, "When Lewis Poythress' father, Thomas Poythress, moved to Georgia, didn't all of Lewis Poythress' brothers leave Virginia?" -- so far as I am aware... 1. The only known sibling of Lewis is George, and there are no other candidate siblings for Lewis. 2. Yes, George passed through Georgia. 3. We do not have confirmation that Thomas Poythress is the father of Lewis or George. If there have been breakthroughs on 1 or 3, I am not aware, and would be pleased to get caught up. --Lyn | 05/17/19 7:51:34 |
| [POYTHRESS] Evidence of John L. Poythress Relation to George Washington Poythress | Lyn Baird | This is a subject that I would have expected had been discussed here before, but I am not finding it in the archive. There is a marriage of Poythress to Poythress that I propose as evidence that John L. Poythress (b. ca. 1829 Va, d. 1905 NC) is brother or cousin of George Washington Poythress (b. 1827 Va, d. 1900 Durham, NC). The marriage is recorded in Franklin County, North Carolina, January 2, 1892, as follows: Groom J.B. Poythress, age 22, father G. Poythress My research indicates this is John Buxton Poythress (b. February 1870 Chatham Co., NC; d. April 1926 Wake Co., NC), son of George Washington Poythress and Permelia Susan Redman. Bride Otelia M. Poythress, age 20, parents John L. and Ann Poythress My research indicates this is Otelia M. Poythress (b. April 1872 NC; d. aft 1900), daughter of John L. Poythress and Tabitha Ann Nunn. This information alone does not help us connect John L. Poythress and George Washington Poythress. That connection is found in messages from our list member Sarah Poythress. In a message “Joshua & Joseph Poythress Connection” 2/17/1998 forwarded to the list by Barbara Neal, Sarah lists among the children of John L. Poythress: ‘…Artellia "Tealy" Poythress married a cousin ?’ Then in a message “Fwd from Sarah re John Lewis Poythress” 2/23/1998 also forwarded to the list by Barbara Neal, Sarah again writes concerning this daughter of John L. Poythress: ‘…10) Artellia "Tealy" Poythress, b. 1872, m. J.B. Poythress (Orange County) her cousin. I don't know connection.” The context leaves little room for doubt that “Artellia” and “Otelia” are the same person. I suggest that, in fact, the difference in spelling strengthens this evidence as being that a family memory, independent of the public record and the work of researchers. And in that same message Sarah explains her family source: ‘Information I have confirmed by talking to John & Tabitha "Ann" Poythress' great grandaughter [sic]. She lives in Oxford, NC which is about 12 miles from where I live in Henderson, NC. She was very helpful. She didn't know dates, so I got them from other sources….’ From this evidence we have that a son of John L. Poythress is a cousin of a daughter of George Washington Poythress. Therefore John L. Poythress and George Washington Poythress are either brothers or cousins. The situations of John L. Poythress and George Washington Poythress have been rehearsed on this list, and over the years descendants of each have been active on this list. Much is known about each, and yet the parentage of each remains unresolved, correct? On the one hand John L. Poythress seems to spring from nowhere around 1850, with no clear evidence of parentage. On the other hand George Washington Poythress has two good candidate sets of parents. Is he a son of David Poythress and Mary Speed Dortch? Or is he a son of Edward Poythress and Mahaley Nance? I have seen him listed definitively as the one, and elsewhere definitively as the other. But to my knowledge I have not seen the proof of either. Poor John L. Poythress, orphaned and unclaimed, while George Washington Poythress is fought over by two households! And now here we find that they are brothers or cousins. What shall we do with that? As a possible way forward, let’s start from what I have on the George Washington Poythress who is brother or cousin of John L. Poythress: **Born 1837 (from obituary, supported by 1870 and 1880 census records) in Virginia (from 1870, 1880 and 1900 census records); **Marries Permelia Susan Redman 1861, Granville, NC (from marriage registry Granville); **Is in the area of Roxboro, Person County, NC, as of 1870 (from the census); **Is in north-central Chatham County, NC, as of 1880 (from the census); **Has twelve children with Permelia Susan, ~1862 through ~1884, names in birth order as follows: William J., Robert Lee, Ella May, Simeon, John Buxton, Virginia, James Thomas, Herbert H., Charles W., Roberta, Conner J. and Joseph W. (from 1870, 1880 and 1900 census records, and death certificates of some children); **Dies 1900, Durham, Durham County, NC, survived by Permelia Susan and possibly all their children (from Durham Daily Sun obituary 01/09/1900 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/158026701, supported by the widow's 1900 census record). Here are pieces of evidence that point to Edward and Mahaley Poythress as parents of this George Washington Poythress: [1] There is a George Poythress, age 12, born Virginia, in the 1850 household of Edward Poythress. [2] Sarah Ann Poythress, daughter of Edward Poythress, is a later wife of German D. Redman, the father of Permelia Susan Redman, the wife of George Washington Poythress. These women knew each other; they had occupied the same household. The 1860 household of German D. Redman includes both wife “Ann”, daughter of Edward Poythress, and daughter “Susan”, future wife of George Washington Poythress. [3] There is an Elizabeth Poythress, age 22, in the 1860 household of Edward Poythress (perhaps a daughter), and an Elizabeth Poythress, age 33, in the 1870 household of George Washington Poythress. There are no accountings for this Elizabeth Poythress elsewhere. It appears to me, in absence of other evidence, this is one and the same person. And here are pieces of evidence that point to David and Mary Poythress as parents of this George Washington Poythress: [1] There is a George Poythress, age 9, born Virginia, in the 1850 household of David Poythress. [2] There is a G. W. Poythress, age 19, born Mecklenburg, Virginia, in the 1860 household of David Poythress. [3] The 1877 Application for Letters of Administration of the estate of David Poythress (http://poythress.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/DavidPoythressEstate1877.pdf) cites G. W. Poythress among the heirs at law. In my opinion a case may be made either way, looking only at this evidence. In support of Edward Poythress as father there are the age match of the 1850 child, the Redman connection, and the (apparent) Elizabeth Poythress connection. In the favor of David Poythress as father there are the middle initial “W” of the 1860 child, and the certainty that David’s son, G. W. Poythress survives to adulthood, showing up in 1877. But perhaps we can try for a bit more progress. I would propose that when we bring in the relationship of John L. Poythress to George Washington Poythress, the most straightforward hypothesis is that JLP and GWP are brothers, and sons of Edward and Mahaley Poythress. I suggest it is most straightforward to treat them as brothers, because a marriage of first cousins would be more notable and memorable than a marriage of more distant cousins. And if they are brothers, then GWP does not fit in the David Poythress household, because JLP does not fit in the David Poythress household. **David Poythress’s 1840 census household shows only one male child, age 5<10. David’s son James Speed Poythress (shown age 17 in the 1850 David Poythress household) accounts neatly for that child – leaving no place in the 1840 David Poythress household for John L. Poythress. **The Application for Letters of Administration “In the matter of administration of the estate of David Poythress” who died intestate (Warren Co. NC Probate Court 01/31/1877), lists the following heirs: “James S. Poythress, Mrs. Mary E. Vaughan, G. W. Poythress, Charles D. Poythress, Lucy M. Twisdale, Alice M. Twisdale, and the children of Mrs. Martha J. Tucker, a deceased daughter of the said intestate…” John L. Poythress, who was living at the time, is not listed. If there had been a will, there might have been room to speculate that John L. Poythress had been written out. But there is no will, and therefore, if I am not mistaken, the heirs in this list should include all heirs at law of the decedent, correct? Therefore we can be confident that John L. Poythress was not an heir at law of David Poythress. Therefore, since John L. Poythress cannot be fit into the David Poythress household, then if GWP and JLP are brothers, then they both better fit together as sons of Edward and Mahaley Poythress. I am not suggesting this is a proof of the parentage of either GWP or JLP. I am only suggesting this is the most straightforward hypothesis to be used for further research. Several directions for further research come to mind: [1] What more family memory may be recovered concerning John Buxton Poythress and Otelia M. Poythress? Both George Washington Poythress and John L. Poythress have many descendants. What older relative might share living memories they heard as a child about John and Otelia? [2] Where is Edward Poythress in the 1840 census? To find that census and see the ages of males in the household would be very telling. [3] Where is the other George Poythress in the 1870 census? So far as I am aware, we have found only one George Poythress in 1870, and that is the George Washington Poythress who is the relation of John L. Poythress (Person Co., NC household #165). [4] What can be found in North Carolina chancery records? I know nothing about researching NC chancery cases, except I’ve heard they are not indexed. If true, that is bad news but also good news – bad because it is really hard research, good because there are possibilities for evidence not yet discovered. [5] What can be found in land records? Of Person, Chatham or Durham Cos., NC (GWP’s locations)? Of Mecklenburg Co., Va or Franklin Co., NC (JLP’s locations)? Or especially land records of Granville Co., NC (a location of both GWP and JLP)? Circling back to John Buxton and Otelia Poythress, it appears their marriage dissolved before 1900, childless. I base this on the following: **Otelia is in the 1900 John L. Poythress household, recorded as widowed and having no children. **John Buxton Poythress’s 1926 death certificate records him as single. If others on this list may offer improvements to this analysis, that would be welcome. Or, even better, if any on the list could share additional evidence that may confirm or correct this hypothesis, that would be especially welcomed. In any event, any and all comments and further ideas are welcomed. -- Lyn Poythress Baird | 06/04/19 7:19:42 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Evidence of John L. Poythress Relation to George Washington Poythress | Kevin Poythress | Lyn, I am a great-great grandson of John Lewis Poythress. My family has passed down a hand written chart over the years that shows John Lewis Poythress was the son of James Edward Poythress and Catherine Preston. The chart shows James Edward Poythress is the son of Lewis (spelled Louis on my sheet). I am descended from John Lewis Poythress through Joseph Sidney Poythress (married Lucy Eva Stainback), William Oliver Poythress (married Lessie Maud Hoyle), and my father, John Clinton Poythress (married Joanne Weaver). This is the same information that Sarah Poythress (married to Dale Poythress - my father's cousin) has shared with the list in the past. Of course this is not proof but I would note that John Lewis Poythress lived until 1905, and I feel we have sufficient overlap in family members to have properly passed along this information. Kevin N. Poythress, P.E. President Poythress Construction Company, Inc. www.pccbuilder.com | 919-463-5403 | 06/05/19 8:12:30 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Evidence of John L. Poythress Relation to George Washington Poythress | Lyn Baird | Kevin, yes, the existence of this chart has been discussed on the list in the past. I am curious - please could you provide the history of this chart? When did it first surface? What is the family story of how and when the chart originated? That would be very interesting. Thanks. --Lyn | 06/06/19 4:30:17 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Evidence of John L. Poythress Relation to George Washington Poythress | Lyn Baird | Al, thank you so much for posting this obituary. So great to see this material surface! I had seen references to its existence, but until now had not seen it produced. Some quick comments: 1. This is the first firm evidence I've seen of his birth in Mecklenburg County. We might have guessed that, but getting firm evidence on that is so very significant. 2. This is the first firm evidence I've seen of a birth date - August 29, 1829. And 1829 aligns reasonably well with his census ages. 3. This is the first firm evidence I've seen of a death date - February 27, 1905. 4. Three sons and eight daughters looks right. I had pieced together three sons and seven daughters, but it seemed like an eighth daughter might be in there somewhere. 5. Four years of military service agrees with his pension application. 6. The length of the marriage is more likely 53 years, not 33 years. So far I have not seen a marriage record for them. This is helpful in placing the marriage around 1852. (The eldest child that is found in the censuses was born ca 1856.) -- Lyn Poythress Baird | 06/06/19 5:43:24 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Evidence of John L. Poythress Relation to George Washington Poythress | Kevin Poythress | Lyn, I believe I was given this chart by my Aunt Vivian (my father’s sister), as she knew I was interested in the family’s genealogy. I was told the information on the chart was passed down from older family members. I spoke to Sarah Poythress this evening and she recalls her and Dale getting the chart from some older family members at a family reunion that was held years ago at the armory in Henderson, NC. That is really all I know about the origins of the chart. I do want to clarify that the parents of John Lewis Poythress were shown as James and Catherine. There was no last name for Catherine and no middle name for James. James’ father is simply shown as Louis on the chart. I had incorrectly referred to a James Edward and Catherine Preston in my earlier email. I had penciled in Edward and Preston on the chart. I would love to find proof of John Lewis’ parents! I did participate in the DNA study some years ago. Kevin N. Poythress, PE Poythress Construction Company, Inc. 1011 Classic Road Apex, NC 27539 919-463-5403 www.pccbuilder.com | 06/06/19 7:12:57 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Evidence of John L. Poythress Relation to George Washington Poythress | Albert Tims | Poythress List, Thanks to Lyn and Kevin — would be fantastic to compile a study of John L. Poythress lines to the website. And especially if we can document where we have gaps in the records. I’m a bit out of pocket right now with some family matters, but I wanted to share a newspaper obit for John L. Poythress — ran across it on Ancestry. The source publication is not documented — unfortunately, but it looks to be authentic. A deeper dive into the newspaper records is in order. Also, the translation seems to be an unedited optical text conversion rather than a careful transcription. We’d want to do a proper transcription before adding this as a source record. Nonetheless, it may prove helpful. Since I can’t post images to this list, I’m sharing it as a “post” to the web page. I’ll eventually replace this post once we can better document the publication record. http://poythress.org/2019/06/06/newspaper-notice-related-to-john-l-poythress-born-mecklenburg-va/ And below is the 1880 census record for John L. Poythress. Age 50 Birth date: Abt 1830 Birthplace: VA Home in 1880 : Louisburg, Franklin, NC Dwelling No: 210 Race: W Gender: M Relation to Head of HH: Self (Head) Marital status: Married Spouse’s Name: T. Ann Poythress Father’s Birthplace: VA Mother’s Birthplace: VA Occupation: Farmer Household Members: Jno. L. Poythress, 50 T. Ann Poythress, 42 Fanny Poythress, 16 John W. Poythress, 13 Otelia M. Poythress, 9 Alice O. Poythress, 5 Mary G. Poythress, 2 virginia Dickerson, 21 Finally, I’m curious about William Oliver Poythress because of the given name “Oliver” and the fact that we have an “Olive” Daniel Poythress, from the same general vicinity in North Carolina. This preliminary study of Rev. Olive Daniel Poythress traces him through George W. Poythress to Edward Poythress. http://poythress.org/family-studies/preliminary-poythress-lineage-of-rev-o-d-poythress/ I am going to be away for about a week — but I hope to get caught up soon with some new research developed by some of our list members. Best, Al | 06/06/19 7:45:57 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Evidence of John L. Poythress Relation to George Washington Poythress | Lyn Baird | Yes, Kevin, I also and so many others would like to bring parents of both John L. Poythress and George Washington Poythress to ground. Going back to this marriage of John Buxton Poythress and Otelia M. Poythress, more about them and how they were cousins could be important clues to follow. It would be great if you could bring this up with Sarah or other family members who may have something else on them. | 06/12/19 5:29:02 |
| [POYTHRESS] Fw: Sarah Has a GenealogyBank Image To Share With You | Sarah Poythress | -----Original Message----- From: Sarah (GenealogyBank) Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 11:18 AM To: srpoy@nc.rr.com Subject: Sarah Has a GenealogyBank Image To Share With You Sarah has sent you a message from GenealogyBank.com: I wanted to share this image I found for Mortuary Notice: https://www.genealogybank.com/nbshare/AC01110305205558150791564499827 | 07/30/19 9:33:26 |
| [POYTHRESS] Thanks Sarah - obit Dr John Poythress 1813 of Beaufort NC in Raleigh paper | Barbara Neal | Sarah, thank you so much for finding it and letting us know. For ease of finding it again later, I've below transcribed our obit of interest. Barbara Seen in the "Star" [Raleigh NC] issue of Friday Dec 3, 1813 (nearly 206 years ago), Vol. V, Issue 49, thanks to NewsBank via GenealogyBank.com. The copyright-by-Newsbank short paragraph is headed "Obituary" and has very brief obits for 4 people listed; all the deaths were in November: a 40 year old man in Guilford county on 16 Nov; then the obit of our interest below; then "at the same place" a 19 year old fellow on 11 Nov; and last in Duplin county a woman in her 73rd year on 19 Nov. Our obit of interest: In the town of Beaufort, on the 16th of Nov. Dr. John Poythress. | 07/30/19 11:22:04 |
| [POYTHRESS] For Julie & any other(s) near enough to Richmond VA to attend | Barbara Neal | As a long-time member, I just received by mail an annual notice from the Friends of the VA State Archives (FVSA, whose site is listed as https://FriendsVirginiaArchives.org). FVSA is having their 20th annual Slatten Lecture, for which pre-registration is highly recommended. Below is the cost & there is an email address at the bottom here for more info. Saturday 16 Sept 2019 at the Library of Virginia, 800 East Broad St, Richmond, Michael L Strauss, BA, AG, will speak, morning and afternoon on 4 topics. The schedule: 8:30 registration sign-in 9:15 Welcome 9:30 Researching Your Colonial War Ancestors 10:20 break 10:45 Refugees, Claims, and Conscription: Your Ancestors During the Reconstruction Era 11:45 Annual Meeting of the Friends of the VA State Archives 12:00 Lunch 1:00 The Great War: Researching Your World War I Ancestors 2:00 Break 2:15 More than Just Obituaries: Genealogical Newspaper Research 3:15 Questions & Discussion NOTE: Pre-registration is highly recommended. Though registrations will be received at the door, lunch cannot be guaranteed unless one pre-registers. Registration Fee (including lunch & beverage): - FVSA member $35 - Non-member $50 - OR Join FVSA & attend as a member $70 FOR MORE INFO, contact Anne Taylor Brown annetaylorb@aol.com | 07/30/19 11:45:40 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress middle name | RHAppleby | I am researching the Wagnon name. Early on in USA, there was a Thomas Poythress Wagnon, and a John Peter Wagnon. Both had sons named Thomas Poythress Wagnon and John Peter Wagnon. The birthdate for TPW is 1762, and for JPW is 1768, and they married Saucer sisters. I had thought the Wagnons came from Switzerland, but the Poythress name and continuation of using it as a middle name has me confused, as I can find no trace of a Poythress in Switzerland. Do you have any information that might shed some llight on my dilemma? Robert H Appleby (Bob) 207 Watts St Durham, NC 27701-2036 984-329-7803 robertappleby7134@att.net | 08/07/19 9:11:28 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Poythress middle name | Albert Tims | Mr. Appleby, If you go to this link you’ll see all the records/studies we have related to generations of Thomas Poythress men. http://poythress.org/?s=Thomas+Poythress In particular — you may find this post especially helpful. http://poythress.org/family-studies/family-group-sheet-for-thomas-poythress-first-5-generations/thomas-poythress-sr-of-martins-brandon-prince-george-county-4th-generation/ and this one as well http://poythress.org/primary-records/deeds/compilation-of-any-poythress-mention-in-virginia-patents-and-grants/ You will see near the bottom of a 1746 land transaction documented in the link above involving John Wagnon a note by the compiler of the study stating [Poythress appears frequently hereafter in the Wagnon family as a middle name; even into Burke and Green Counties, GA] Also, if you search the Rootsweb listserv (our list dates back to the 1990s) you may find additional information. Good luck. Best, Al Tims | 08/08/19 6:55:57 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Poythress middle name | Albert Tims | Mr. Appleby, I did a quick search of the Poythress list for the surname Wagnon — here’s the link to a directory of all the messages posted that mention Wagnon: https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/search?count=100&mlist=poythress%40rootsweb.com&q=Wagnon&page=1 I took special note of this post from 2000. Unfortunately, the family researcher who posted this note passed away a few years ago, so there is no easy way to know the status of the photograph mentioned. Again, good luck. Best, Al Tims 2/24/2000, 3:31:06 PM About a year ago I got a query from a Paul Wagnon asking what, if anything, I knew about a Thomas Poythress Wagnon in Burke County 1820 or so. I drew a complete blank and have little to go on but the name as it continues to pop up again and again (Poythress except in the first instance always as a middle name) so I have not put it on the list. The first mention is a deed back in Brunswick County between a Wagnon and a Thomas Poythress. Other documents infer a close relationship between the two families. There was indeed a Thomas Poythress Wagnon in Burke County ca 1820 and he appears to have had both a son and a grandson with Poythress as a middle name.....and these two guys drifted over into Greene County (whose records are second worst to Burke County). Further, there are a lot of, for example, "John P. Wagnon"'s whom we suspect to be "middle-named" Poythress. Anyway, low and behold, Paul Wagnon has now located a picture of a Thomas Poythress Wagnon. I am going to guess that he was likely to be either the son or grandson of Burke County's Thomas Poythress Wagnon simply because we don't know precisely when the technology of photography came to that family but it obviously can be the guy in 1820. I am going to attempt to "paste" this below to get it through Rootsweb since I know I can't get an attachment thru but if this one finks out too and anyone wants a pic just e-mail me. He's just a "guy".....nothing particularly distinguished about the photo. Maynard [Unable to display image] | 08/08/19 7:08:10 |
| [POYTHRESS] Jean Poythress | Janet English | I am sorry to say I have not been watching for family information. My Aunt , Jean Poythress was a wonderful woman. She was far more intelligent and a woman before her time. Independent and noteworthy... So what I know is.. She married Clint Brown, and astro-engineer in the 1940's NACA, They had two boys, Dale and Gary. He cheated on her with her best friend Jeanne, and were divorced. This all happened in Yorktown area of Virginia. Then she married a Mister Brown? , which lasted only a couple of years...She is now known as Jean Brown. The youngest son, Gary Brown liked to do ancestrial research. There may be his investigations available online. Check out Facebook. {warning , he died of cancer just a few years ago.} His family is Tina, his wife, and Will, his son. Anyway, I am her brother's ( George William Poythress) Daughter. Janet English. I am looking for information on my grandmother's Aunt. Her name is lost to me, but she was a world traveler. Her neice was Kathleen Ryan , who was my father's mother. " Mummum " was her nickname to the children. She was a world traveler herself in the 1920's. I dare say the family did not approve. She went alone, with a servant? or a man? and brought home amazing art . I am the only family member that holds it. I am a traveler , and look for a reason I have this ambition to see the world. I think it is part of my DNA, or maybe, but I travel to far off lands to experience them..Why? Thanks for your help, Janet English | 08/09/19 7:34:29 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 88 | Julie Cabitto | Hi Lyn, I do not have anything to add to this, and I'm really not familiar with this family. But, I wanted to let you know that I read this; that I find it interesting and helpful in my efforts of trying to understand the Mecklenburg Virginia Poythress families. For now, I have printed this to keep an eye out for more info when I go to LVA and court houses. Thank you, Julie | 08/20/19 8:49:35 |
| [POYTHRESS] Lewis Poythress land mentioned in Mecklenburg VA | Julie Cabitto | Hi Poythress list, I had a lucky break in my searches for where Lewis Poythress lived, in Mecklenburg, VA. Lewis Poythress is so hard to find on paper, that I get very happy when I can spot his name somewhere. Lewis & Edward Giles are listed in this as neighbors and Edward as witness. I think based on previous deed searches I've been doing on these Cleatons, this is in the area I suspected. If you look at a map, It should be just north of Tolbert Rd (off of Blackridge Rd) , where Great Creek branches to the left. People are regularly looking for cemeteries for me, even though most of them are field stones. I get GPS coordinates on each visit I make to Mecklenburg, then I put the GPS pins on my map, to see where the pin fits on plats I have drawn in. If you have Mecklenburg, VA roots & would like to see my public map, here it is: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1ThV1GAXRSTYTjCiLyq23EeQCZ70_yDTk&ll=36.60396257309924%2C-78.11093310842955&z=13 Here is the will transcription in text, spellings etc as in the record. I just sent Al a PDF of this, sorry it isn't quite lining up right in this email format. Julie _____________________________________________- Transcribed by: Julie Cabitto 25 August 2019 Julie’s notes: Thomas Cleaton Senior married Lucy Malone, 3 Mar 1808, in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. Bond: Thomas Nance; minister James Meacham. Also note: Deed book 31, pg 605 Mecklenburg County, Virginia on 11 Sep 1845, about 27 years after this Thomas Cleaton will below. Lewis Poythress gives his two sons Lewis and Thomas Poythress one tract of land, 140 acres bounded: by the lands of Charles D. Cleaton, John Giles, David Poythress, & Williamson Rainey Sr. *The Will of Thomas Cleaton* Mecklenburg County, Virginia will book 8, pgs 616-417 In the Name of God Amen, I Thomas Cleaton of the County of Mecklenburg and State of Virginia being in my perfect mind and memory do make and ordain this my last Will and Testament in manner and form following, to wit, Imprimis, first of all I give and recommend my soul to the hands of Almighty God the author and giver thereof Trusting for happiness through the merits of Jesus Christ, the common Savior of all mankind my body to be decently buried & And after all my Just debts to be paid it is my Will and desire that my is Estate be disposed of as follows, – Item 1st I lend to my beloved wife Lucy Cleaton during her Natural life the tract of land whereon I now live Containing 400 acres be at the Same more or less and bounded by the land of Henry Wartman, Drury Harper and Edward Giles to a maple on the long branch, thence a Straight line to some Small ash trees on the Creek including part of the land which I purchased of William Cleaton, thence up the Creek to Charles D Cleatons Spring branch, thence up the branch to the old line along the old line to Henry Wartman's line, provided that if my son Drury M Cleaton shall come of age before the death of my wife he shall take and poss [abbreviation for possess?] 100 and 50 acres of this land at the upper end of the tract, I also lend to my wife Lucy during her natural life the following negroes Isaac, Ned, Jude, Luckey , and Charlotte, also Two horses, three Cows and Calves, eight head of Sheep, 10 head of hogs, two Sows and pigs, Two feather beds and furniture, Two tables, nine Chairs, one large Cubbard, one brass Skillette, Two brass Candle Sticks, one pott and one Dutch Oven, one butter pot and two Trunks. Item 2nd I give and bequeath to my son Charles D Cleaton the tract of land whereon he now lives containing Two...... 25 acres east the.... said branch to Lewis Poythress's along his line to Rainey's line allong the Same to Lewis(Lucas) Williams line along his line to a Scrub oak in the Same thence a Straight line to the said Cleatonz Spring branch down the branch to the Creek, thence to the beginning on the long branch, also Two Negroes Drury and Evelina with all their future increase to him and his heirs forever. Item 3rd I give and bequeath to my son Thomas Cleaton the sum of Seven hundred dollars to assist him in paying for the land he now lives on which land was purchased by me but deeded to him, also Two negroes Ruffin and Mariah with all their future increase to him and his heirs forever. Item 4th I give and bequeath to my son William B Cleaton a tract of land on the west side of the Creek Containing 200 acres be it the same more or less, beginning at Charles D Cleatons Spring branch with the old line along the Same to Wartman's line along his line to Wood Cleatons line, along his line to Tanners line along his line to the post oak Joining Charles Cleaton thence along his line to the Spring branch, also two Negroes Dick and Jacob and my sorrel filly and one feather bed and furniture to him and his heirs forever. Item I lend to my Daughter Catherine Rainey during her natural life three negroes Anneky, Minervy, and Stephen and after her death I direct that the said negroes with all their future increase be equally divided amongst all her children to them and their heirs forever. Item 6th I lend to my daughter Elizabeth Tanner three Negroes Chainey, Partheny, and Grifin during her natural life and after her death I direct that the said Negroes with all their future increase be Equally divided amongst all her children to them and their heirz forever. Item 7th I lend it to my daughter Edney Cleaton three Negroes Mary, Nancy and Culey during her natural life and after her death, I direct that the said Negroes with all their future increase be equally divided amongst all her children also one feather bed and furniture to them and their heirs forever. Item 8th I lend to my daughter Parazade Cleaton during her natural life three Negroes Phillis, Quintena, and Abraham (?) At her death I direct that the said Negroes with all their future increase be equally divided amongst all her children, I also Give and bequeath to my daughter Parazade the sum of $50 and one feather bed and furniture. Item 9th I give and bequeath to my son Drury M Cleaton the tract of land lent to my wife in the first clause at her decease also three negroes Ned Charlotte and Richmound and one feather bed and furniture with all the increase of the said Negroes to him and his heirs forever. Item 10th my Will and desire is that all and every part of my estate not disposed of in this my will be sold and out of the money arising from such Sale all my Just debts be paid and the balance to be equally divided Amongst all my children taking into Consideration the advances made to some in Stock, & as my desire is that all may be as near equal as possibly Can be, My Will and desire further is that the Estate lent my wife in the first Clause and not herein further dispose of at her death be sold and equally divided amongst all of my children, and Lastly I do hereby Nominate, Constitute and appoint and confirm my sons Charles D Cleaton and Thomas Cleaton and my friend James Harwell Executors of this my last Will and Testament in testimony whereof I have hereunto Set my hand this 25th day of February one thousand Eight hundred and Eighteen. Signed & acknowledged Thomas Cleaton, his mark in the presence of Edward Giles Edward Giles Jr, his mark Henry Wartman, his mark At a court held for Mecklenburg County the 16th day of March 1818 This last Will and Testament of Thomas Cleaton deceased was presented into Court and proved by the oaths of the witnesses thereto and ordered to be recorded, and on the motion of Charles D Cleaton, Thomas Cleaton his ....[executors or sons? illegible] Williamson Rainey, John Cook Senior, Henry Wartman, and Edward Giles their Securities entered into and acknowledged their bond in the penalty of fifty thousand dollars Conditioned as the law directs, certificate is granted them for Obtaining a probat of the said Will in due form, Liberly being reserved to the oath's executive there in named to join in the probat when he shall think fit. Teste Edward L Tabb, Clerk | 08/25/19 3:52:51 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Lewis Poythress land mentioned in Mecklenburg VA | Julie Cabitto | Correction, I didn't mean "left", I meant west branch of the creek. Julie | 08/25/19 4:06:35 |
| [POYTHRESS] Thank you Julie for the Lewis Poythress sighting in 1818 Cleaton will | Barbara Neal | Super! Thank you so much, Julie. Barbara | 08/25/19 5:48:27 |
| [POYTHRESS] CC Mecklenburg Co VA 1820-012, re will of Edw Giles Sr - 1st cousin marriage? | Barbara Neal | Thanks to a question of me earlier today, referring back to a transcription that Julie Cabitto made in May 2005 of the Chancery Court case in Mecklenburg County, VA, I've been checking in my genie program and have come up with a hypothesis: I've long had in my genie program, Mahaley (or Mahala) Nance, only as wife of Edward Poythress, who was the eldest son I know of for Lewis Poythress by his first wife, Elizabeth Giles (Elizabeth was daughter of Edward Giles Sr). I've not had any parents listed for Mahaley in my genie program. Today I looked back at the above-mentioned transcription that Julie Cabitto did for us in May 2005, of the Chancery Case titled at Library of Virginia online Archives: "Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery Case 1820-012" "Lewis Poythress vs Edward Giles Adm. etc" As Julie pointed out, it contained 2 wills: 1 of Edward Giles Sr, and 1 of John Poythress [who we also know as "Jack" Poythress, 2nd son of Lewis Poythress & Elizabeth Giles. In Edward Giles will dated 10 March 1818, he left money to his grandchildren, naming them likely in the birth-order of his children who were their parents: "... Item first. I give and bequeath to my Grand-daughter Milly Nance two hundred dollars to her & her heirs. "Item second. I give and bequeath to my Grandson Edward Poythress twenty five dollars to him & to his heirs. "Item 3rd. I give & bequeath to my Grandson John Poythress one hundred dollars to him & to his heirs. "Item 4th. I give & bequeath to my Grand-daughter Martha Giles daughter of my daughter Betsy P Giles two hundred dollars to her & to her heirs. "Item 5th and last, after all my just debts funeral expences [sic] and the above Legacies are first paid it is my Will & desire that the remainder of my Estate be equally divided amongst my four living children Jean P. Bassey, John Giles, Edward Giles & William Giles to each of them & their heirs...." Now today in looking again at it, and at some of the folk named in Giles' will who I have in my genie program, it occurred to me -- and maybe this is something that Sarah Poythress, Lyn P Baird, and whoever may have also observed -- whether recently or long ago -- and it just went over my head before. What if the grandchild Edward Giles names first in his will, as "Milly Nance" is the same "Mahaley / Mahala Nance" who married Edward Poythress? IF so, then they were first cousins of one another(!) The link to that 2005 List posting by Julie, of her transcription of the Mecklenburg Co, VA Chancery Case 1820-012, "Lewis Poythress vs Edward Giles Adm. etc" is: https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/poythress.rootsweb.com/thread/5293915/ Food for thought - Barbara | 08/29/19 7:10:38 |
| [POYTHRESS] Relay from Sarah (Royster) Poythress re parents of Mahaley Nance | Barbara Neal | I got a call today from Sarah re my stated hypothesis of the other day, wondering if Mahaley Nance (who married Edward Poythress, a grandson of Edward Giles, thru his mother, first wife of Lewis Poythress) could have been the "Milly Nance" granddaughter named first in the 1818 will of Edward Giles. Sarah's eyesight prohibits legibly typing emails to the List now, so she asked me to relay this, which she had written down years ago (without noting from what source), and which she saw today "several said on the internet" (again without source determined) -- I hope that perhaps one of you other Poythress subscribers have time & access to online material for checking this out for any sourcing: The parents of Mahaley Nance who married Edward Poythress were said to be John Nance and Martha Ann Estes. (Barbara's added note: This is the first I've seen or heard either of those parental-names, since I've not earlier aimed my focus on the Nance or the Giles family, much less Estes name, in Mecklenburg Co, VA or anywhere else.) | 09/01/19 6:43:46 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Relay from Sarah (Royster) Poythress re parents of Mahaley Nance | Albert Tims | Barbara/List, The only John Nance and Martha Estes I was able to locate on Ancestry and a general search is the information below. There is a will posted on the Find A Grave site but no mention of any children other than those listed here. So, at this point we can confirm the marriage of a John Nance and Martha Estes in Virginia but this marriage Estes to Nance 1811 marriage happened a number of years after Mahaley’s estimated 1803 birth year (based on the 1850 Census record). Maybe there was another John Nance and Martha Estes marriage but that seems improbable. John NANCE and Martha ESTES, 9 Feb 1811. William Lowry, Surety; Consent of Benjamin Estes, Sr. Bedford County, VA Children: *Thaddeus Christopher? Nance *Spottswood Alexander Nance, Sr. *Celia Ann (Nance) Burnett *Sarah Margaret Nance *Lucinda Elizabeth "Lucy" (Nance) Wade *Mary Katherine (Nance) Wade *Edwin Thomas Nance *Albert F. Nance *Elizabeth Jane "Lizzie" (Nance) Wade *Benjamin Estes Nance *Thorpe H. Nance *Martha Estes (Nance) Wright *Emeline Frances "Emma" (Nance) Wright *John Ferdinand Nance Randy Jones has the following on his Jones family tree posted to Rootsweb documenting that Mahaley's given name may be Eleanor Mahala Nance. BTW — Randy’s tree may provide other clues about family relations, although some his tree does not seem to have strong authority although logical by virtue of no contrary evidence so far. He shows Lewis as the son of Thomas Poythress and David E. Poythress as the son of Lewis. https://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=randyj2222&id=I72180 Name: Mahaley NANCE Given Name: Mahaley Surname: NANCE Name: Eleanor Mahala NANCE Given Name: Eleanor Mahala Surname: NANCE aka Sex: F Change Date: 26 FEB 2017 Birth: JUL 1803 in VA Census: 1850 Mecklenburg Co., VA Note: Age 47 Death: 1860 in NC Marriage 1 Edward POYTHRESS Married: 10 OCT 1828 Note: Alternate Date: 2 Nov 1828 Children John Lewis Poythress Sarah A. POYTHRESS Harriet POYTHRESS Elizabeth Poythress George Washington POYTHRESS | 09/02/19 5:18:14 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Relay from Sarah (Royster) Poythress re parents of Mahaley Nance | Bruce Porter | Hello all,Was just messing around and found this:Virginia Compiled Marriages Name: Fanny M NanceGender: FemaleSpouse Name: Edward GilesSpouse Gender: MaleMarriage Date: 12 Feb 1818County: MecklenburgState: Virginia | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Neal To: Poythress-List address for postings Sent: Sun, Sep 1, 2019 8:44 pm Subject: [POYTHRESS] Relay from Sarah (Royster) Poythress re parents of Mahaley Nance I got a call today from Sarah re my stated hypothesis of the other day, wondering if Mahaley Nance (who married Edward Poythress, a grandson of Edward Giles, thru his mother, first wife of Lewis Poythress) could have been the "Milly Nance" granddaughter named first in the 1818 will of Edward Giles. Sarah's eyesight prohibits legibly typing emails to the List now, so she asked me to relay this, which she had written down years ago (without noting from what source), and which she saw today "several said on the internet" (again without source determined) -- I hope that perhaps one of you other Poythress subscribers have time & access to online material for checking this out for any sourcing: The parents of Mahaley Nance who married Edward Poythress were said to be John Nance and Martha Ann Estes. (Barbara's added note: This is the first I've seen or heard either of those parental-names, since I've not earlier aimed my focus on the Nance or the Giles family, much less Estes name, in Mecklenburg Co, VA or anywhere else.) _______________________________________________ | 09/02/19 6:39:06 |
| [POYTHRESS] More re hunt for surname-Nance to female-Giles couple as parents of Milly Nance | Barbara Neal | Good to see you're watching, Bruce;) Al, Bruce, & all: in that 1820 Chancery case that contained the 1818 Mecklenburg Co, VA will of Edward Giles Sr, my recollection (at a different computer today) is that his granddaughter Milly Nance was the first-named grandchild (so likely the eldest, or at least daughter of Edward Giles Sr's eldest child) -- & that Milly was not mentioned as being an "infant" (the legal terminology of someone under-age) at the time of the 1818 will, while another grandchild later-named in the will, Martha Giles, was then described as an infant. I've just pulled out historical maps to refresh my memory re where Bedford Co, VA (of that John Nance - Martha Estes 1811 marriage you found, Al) was then located. Bedford Co's location was already set to today's size & place by 1810: it's located significantly west of Mecklenburg Co -- over between Lynchburg and Roanoke -- sandwiched between them and between today's US-29 and I-81. Thus that Nance-Estes marriage of 1811 in Bedford Co, seems likely all-wrong to be the parents of Edward Giles Sr's granddaughter Milly Nance based on not only the year being too late, but also the distance in horse and wagon days between Bedford Co and Mecklenburg Co. While the rough-guesstimate birth years we get for Mahaley Nance who later married Edward Poythress, and for "Milly Nance" are certainly in the realm of possibility for them being the same female (thus making that a marriage of first-cousins), I readily recognize that my hypothesis of them being the same could be all wrong (or all right). Maybe it's moot for many looking at Poythress-tracing, but maybe not since Edward & Mahaley certainly left descendants. Hopefully someone else has time to pursue other possible parents for Milly -- with sourcing -- since unfortunately I don't, due to other (non-genie) pressing responsibilities. Re sourcing: please carefully check for any "caveat" listed in the fine print of sites by some folk who've posted thousands of connections. Some folk seem to readily "adopt" any info they find on the internet and plug it into their own site, without any clear / reliable sourcing. Barbara | 09/02/19 12:45:44 |
| [POYTHRESS] Relay from Sarah: Otelia & John Buxton Poythress; John L Poy & Tanners etc | Barbara Neal | Lyn & all - Today's relay of info from Sarah Poythress in NC is from her call on Sunday 9.1.19. (I already passed on her info from that call, saying she'd seen on the internet about the Nance marrige. Below is the remainder of info that day which she wanted relayed.) As I scribbled notes as she talked, while I knew her call was triggered by wanting to relay the above Nance marriage info, I did not grasp that all these below notes seem to be info she had been wanting to relay prompted by your 4 Jun 2019 email, Lyn, to us all which was captioned Evidence of John L Poythress Relation to George Washington Poythress -- I only knew the below was part of several things she wanted passed on to our P-List subscribers. In her opening comments re this family on the phone, Sarah cited the 2 Jan 1892 marriage of John Buxton Poythress & Otelia Poythress as you listed it Lyn, saying she was marrying her cousin. Sarah offered a bit more about that marriage: - They may have had one child, Minnie, who lived only from 28 Apr 1895 to 5 Jan 1900; this child's marker gives the dates of her life but not the names of parents; she is buried next to (Sarah's opinion:) her grandparents, John Lewis Poythress and his wife Tabitha Ann. The cemetery Sarah said is at New Bethel Baptist Church "in Epsom, NC" which Sarah describes as [and my Rand McNally road atlas shows as] basically on the county line between Vance Co, NC [in which Henderson, NC is located] and Franklin Co, NC [on state route 39]. - She thinks the death of that child likely effectively-ended the marriage of Otelia & John Buxton Poythress (as has happened for many couples who suffer the death of a child), noting they ceased to live as a married couple, whether due to divorce or separation. - Sarah notes Otelia lived in the 1900 Census household of her own parents, John L Poythress & Tabitha Ann, with Otelia listed as a widow. - She said Otelia 2nd-married a Gupton, whose first name was not recalled during our conversation. - And she noted that John Buxton Poythress died 30 Apr 1926 and I think she said that date was per his death certificate, which I think she said listed him as Single; she noted he's buried at Damascus, near Chapel Hill [Barbara's apology: Sorry; when trying to converse, and slow Sarah down enough for me to write notes, and ask logical follow-up questions before she heads on to the next point she's planned to make in the call, sometimes my note-fragments don't get finished; after an hour-long call it gets problematic] Regarding the Elizabeth Poythress who Lyn noted was in the same household with George Washington Poythress twice [once in parents' Edward Poythress & wife Mahaley household in the 1860 Granville Co, NC Census; and once in the 1870 Person Co, NC Census household of George W Poythress & wife Permelia]: Sarah thinks Elizabeth was "close" as a sister of George W, and perhaps they were twins. Sarah described John Buxton Poythress as the son of George Washington Poythress & Permelia Redman (also has been seen spelled Redmond); Sarah mentioned "of Orange Co, NC" (which she reminded me is around the Charlotte area). [Barbara's note: in my genie program I note his surname on their marriage bond was listed as spelled without the "h" -- Poytress, marriage bond dated 13 May 1861 in Granville Co, NC, with bondsman John T Rodman, sic, and marriage on 16 May 1861 by Peterson Thorp J.P. -- per a listing in the 1981 book, "Marriages of Granville Co, NC, 1753-1868," compiled by Brent Holcomb, which book I consulted at the Family History Library many years ago.] Sarah said one of George Washington Poythress & Permelia's daughters was Virginia, who died 5 Apr 1918 at 47, so born about 1871; Sarah said Virginia married William Little Tankersley Sr (she gave no date for the marriage; when asked where, she said likely Person Co, NC or Charlotte. [Barbara's note: in my genie program, though I still need to enter Virginia's death date as well as her marriage, I do show the 1880 Baldwin Township, Chatham Co, NC Census household of George W Poythress & wife Permelia Susan, both born VA, which household contained 10 of their children including Virginia listed as the 6th child (8-year old daughter, born NC) as well as "nephew Thomas Redmond, 19, born NC." So far I have no Tankersley entered in my genie program.] Sarah also wanted to mention an Eliza G Poythress, who she said was listed as a daughter of L Poythress [Lewis Poythress] when she married in Granville Co, NC to a Henry Trewallee / Trewalla / Trewaller. [Barbara notes: in my genie program I had earlier entered Eliza G Poythress but without any parent(s) or siblings. I entered her based on her marriage entry in the above-mentioned Holcomb book of Marriages of Granville Co, NC, whch book does not list any parent for Eliza G; the book spells her surname again Poytress, without the "h." The marriage listing has: Trewollee, Henry P & Eliza G Poytress, 12 May 1833; bondsman Peyton Hayes; Jno P Smith witness. [ALSO note from Barbara re Eliza G and Henry P, the only other record I had located and entered was a jpg image, at the Family History Library, of the: 1850 Census in Tallahatchie Co, Mississippi, enumerated 3 Oct 1850, for Dwelling 26 & Family 26, is marked in the margin as being a Hotel: - Henry P Trewolla, age 50, male Civil Officer, owning real estate valued at "600$" born in England; - Eliza Trewolla, age 38, female born in Virginia; - Henry L Trewolla, age 25 (sic), male, with occupation "None" born in [ditto for Virginia]; - Richard J Holt, age 10, male born in Mississippi; - Vincent Tapp, age 34, male Merchant born in Virginia; - A.M. Tapp, age 27, female born in South Carolina; - Wm I Palmer, age 19, male Merchant Clerk born in Tennessee; - Levi P Sutton, age 19 male [ditto Merchant Clerk] born in [ditto Tennessee]. One big take-away Sarah wanted to relay is about John Lewis Poythress & other Poythress folks being frequently tied up with TANNER families, and that if someone will do further checking on the TANNER family, it could help identify more of the ancestral line of John Lewis Poythress. She tried years ago to sort out the connections, but there were multiple Tanner - Poythress connections, so it needs more work, she said. - ONE TANNER-POYTHRESS connections Sarah spoke about was: "Sallie Poythress, one of the children of Thomas & Lucy Poythress, married a William Henry Tanner Jr." [Barbara's note: I have these people listed in my genie program as Thomas M Poythress, son of Lewis Poythress; he married Lucy Jane Thomas; Sallie Jane was born Apr 1860, their 7th of 12 kids; she married about 1884-1885 William H Tanner Jr; she died 11 Dec 1932 and is buried at the old Poythress family homeplace, Blackridge, Mecklenburg Co, VA thanks to Lyn's family] - ANOTHER TANNER-POYTHRESS connection Sarah spoke of is this item which she had much earlier mentioned (per notes in my genie program) in an 8 Oct 1998 email, which Lyn, you quoted in your 14 Oct 1998 List email asking her for more info re the 1850 location, in part saying: [Lyn wrote:] Good to hear from you, Sarah. Some questions to help my understanding follow. You [Sarah] wrote (8 Oct 1998...): "I found Edward & Mahala listed on the same census as my ggggrandfather, same district. I thought this was very interesting, but at the time & was thinking he didn't fit in Dale's line." Today, I followed up on finding & transcribing here the info about that Census page (actually I RE-found the info, since we've long had this info acquired later than the above 1998-quote), from viewing the actual 1850 Census image, at FamilySearch -- in Granville Co, NC. [1 picky note, here: At FamilySearch the indexing needs to be edited; the original indexer had misinterpreted the 4th name in the household, indexing it as "John Poy Thrip." The enumerator had quite a flourish when he used a "t" in the middle of the surname, and did not connect the "y" to the "t" making it look to the indexer like the "t" began a separate name. And as many of us know, in older-American script writing the "ss" was written strongly-resembling a "p." I do not see any "dot" before the "ss" so I transcribe BELOW his name as John Poythress.] At FamilySearch this Granville Co, NC 1850 jpg is image 271 of 286 images from this microfilm. The JPG source info from microfilm, at FamilySearch shows: North Carolina - Gates & Granville Counties (NARA Series M432, Roll 631) From the image today: 1850 Federal Census - Granville County, NC - Abraham Planes [sic: should be Abraham Plains] District, enumerated on 11 June, handwritten page number 10 in upper left corner, Lines 8-11, Dwelling & Family 73: - Mortimer D. Tanner, 27, Male, Farmer, Value of Real Estate owned 430; born Va - Elizabeth [Tanner ditto], 22, Female, [ditto born Va] - Leonora [Tanner ditto], 2, Female, [ditto born Va] - John Poythress, 21, Male, Farmer, [blank for value of any real estate owned], [ditto born Va] - AND I note that the immediately-following dwelling & family is a Royster family, so this would be the family that Sarah had referred to as her ggg-grandfather. Barbara | 09/06/19 7:27:23 |
| [POYTHRESS] New and Upcoming Documents to the Poythress Surname Website | Poythress List, I’m pleased to share that we’ve added and are on the cusp of adding important resources to the Poythress website. Those of you who’ve been following closely know that Lyn Baird has contributed previously unavailable records of the Methodist congregations in and near Mecklenburg County, VA. These records are treasures for everyone interested in the families and communities in 19th century Southside Virginia. We’re fortunate to be the repository. https://poythress.org/early-virginia-studies/records-of-the-methodist-mecklenburg-va-circuit-1835-1876/ and https://poythress.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/MecklenburgMethodistCircuitTranscription.pdf We’ve yet to connect these congregations to the pioneering missionary work of Rev. Francis Poythress but in time I think we may. And we’re equally fortunate that Julie Cabitto shares so generously her discoveries and her ongoing work mapping the land holdings of Poythress and allied families, as well as the small family cemeteries in Mecklenburg County, VA. Her most recent contribution is a transcription of an 1818 Will of Thomas Cleaton that place his lands adjacent to Poythress, Giles and other allied families. And it informs us so much more about the lives of these families. https://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-virginia/thomas-cleaton-1818-will-transcription-and-images/ Lyn and Julie have been contributors to the quest for more than two decades and deserve more thanks than we can ever offer; but their legacies will be of seminal importance in the decades to come as our descendants explore their roots in America. Not burying the lead here, I’m pleased to share that Barbara Poythress Neal, who along with Maynard Poythress, first prompted me to establish the Poythress mailing list nearly a quarter of century ago — before Rootsweb took over and back when these sorts of mailing lists were still being hosted at Indiana University. Unfortunately, some of the earliest posts have been lost to the transition. Needless to say for those of you who’ve hung in there with us over the years, is that Barbara is serious about doing genealogy as rigorously as possible so that what we share is not speculation but documented evidence. Her influence and contributions are unmatched. She recently shared with me a trove of documents, a number of which were posted to the list over the years but never placed in context or moved to the website where they could be organized for research. In the coming weeks and months I’m going to be adding these documents to the website and every time I add a new document I plan to post to this list what has been added and invite corrections, commentary and discussion. My hope is that more of us will look for opportunities to make incremental contributions — family photos, gravesites, bibles, family oral histories, transcriptions, etc. Below is the first of the documents contributed by BPN. This document is as rich as they come in terms of what it tells us about life in Georgia and Florida in the mid-19th century and about this branch of the Poythress family. Equity suit of John C. Poythress vs Cheesborough, Mary E et. al., Burke Co, Georgia, 1848 Transcribed by Barbara Poythress Neal from photocopies from Family History Library microfilm # 222,856 - Burke County, Georgia Equity Records 1834-1852, pages 77-87 covering equity suit of John C. Poythress vs Cheesborough, Mary E et al https://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-georgia/equity-suit-of-john-c-poythress-vs-cheesborough-mary-e-et-al-burke-co-georgia-1848/ In addition, Mike Tutor has been helping me on several fronts and is revisiting some of his earlier contributions — I hope to be sharing his new work soon. In closing, I want to mention that the Poythress.org Best, Al | 09/07/19 2:38:25 | |
| [POYTHRESS] Atlas of Historical County Boundaries -- Newberry Library | Albert Tims | Poythress List, Attached is the link to a resource you may want to add to your genealogy bookmarks folder, especially if you are interested in exploring and interpreting land, court and other county level records. It is a project of the William M. Scholl Center for American History and Culture at The Newberry Library in Chicago. https://publications.newberry.org/ahcbp/index.html The Atlas presents in maps and text complete data about the creation and all subsequent changes (dated to the day) in the size, shape, and location of every county in the fifty United States and the District of Columbia. It also includes non-county areas, unsuccessful authorizations for new counties, changes in county names and organization, and the temporary attachments of non-county areas and unorganized counties to fully functioning counties. The principal sources for these data are the most authoritative available: the session laws of the colonies, territories, and states that created and changed the counties. What makes this Atlas stand out? A dozen features distinguish the volumes and files of this atlas from other compilations. All boundary changes in states and counties-unrivaled historical and geographic coverage. Non-county areas-never before compiled or mapped. Attachments to operational counties (non-county areas and unorganized counties)-never before compiled or mapped. Separate map or polygon for every different county configuration-clarity and ease of use. Based on original research in primary sources-unlike most reference works. Primary sources cited for every change-unmatched documentation. Information organized by both date and county-unmatched flexibility. Locator maps for all county maps-show each county's location within its state. Area (sq. mi.) for each county configuration-available nowhere else. Polygons available in two formats: shapefiles and KMZ-broad applicability. Supplementary bibliography, chronologies, and commentary-unusually complete and thorough data presentation. Short and Long metadata documents for each state dataset-convenience and completeness. These interactive maps are very easy to use and make it easy to visualize the formation and reformation of counties from the 1600s onward. I will be adding this link to the Poythress website as a reference tool for primary records. Best, Al | 09/11/19 3:24:42 |
| [POYTHRESS] Transcription of the will of Susanna (nee Poythress) Prior of Jessamine County, KY. (circa 1813) | Albert Tims | List, As may of you know, we’ve long sought evidence of the family origins of Rev. Francis Poythress and his sister, Susanna Prior. We know a bit about both of their lives in Virginia but have yet to confirm the identity of their parents. Below is a new document (to me and this list/website) that might provide important clues. It is a digitized copy of: Jessamine County, Kentucky wills: Book A - 1799 to June 1813; Book B - 1813 to Mar. 1818; Book C - 1813 (June) to Nov. 1826 in the Allen County, KY public library, courtesy of the Internet Archive. I have an imbedded link to the will book (rough transcription — in my opinion) - - if you click on the square brackets on the lower right of the image screen you’ll go directly to the page where the entry appears in the scanned document and see the source documentation that should be used if this document is cited. I’ve also extracted the text below this link. https://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-other-states/susanna-prior-poythress-will/ If the significance of this family is unfamiliar to some of us, here’s a status overview I had pulled together to aid in focusing efforts. https://poythress.org/2017/09/08/reverend-francis-poythress-family-ties-closing-in/ I am especially interested in this will because of specific mention of her sister Elizabeth Peniston and of Robert Poythress Peniston in addition to nephews and nieces of Susanna. All of these families originated in Virginia. I’m hopeful we’ll be able to use this to link Rev. Francis and his sister Susanna to their Poythress line. As always, help is appreciated. Best, Al Tims | 09/11/19 10:20:50 |
| [POYTHRESS] RIP David Franklin Poythress born in Meridian MS | Barbara Neal | All - with thanks to his daughter Elaine for letting me know to post this: David Franklin Poythress, born in Meridian, Lauderdale County, MS in 1933, was the youngest of 6 children of Carl Hutton Poythress and Pearl Beasley. He is the last of their children to die. David died last week on 4 Sept 2019 at 86, in his sleep. The family plans no obit or memorial service. His remains will join those of his 2nd wife, Mary Lucy ("Lucy") who predeceased him in 2011, in the niche wall at Natchez Trace Memorial Park Cemetery, at Madison, Madison County, MS. FindAGrave.com there has a photo of their bronze marker. David Franklin Poythress' ancestry was: - son of Carl Hutton Poythress & Pearl Beasley - grandson of James Speed Poythress & Martha Grice Raiford - great-grandson of David E Poythress & Mary Speed Dortch - gr-gr-grandson of Lewis Poythress & Rebecca B Taylor May this 1st / 2nd / or 3rd cousin "once removed" [aka one generation removed] from many Poythress folk across the country, Rest In Peace. Barbara | 09/12/19 1:34:24 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: RIP David Franklin Poythress born in Meridian MS - PS Sorry; error | Barbara Neal | All - My earlier posting today sure shows clearly that I've not reached perfection yet. I really try to remember to not cite a relationship without having satisfactory proof, and I blew it by going one paternal ancestor too far. Please accept my apology of having listed in David's ancestry that he was a gr-gr-grandson of Lewis Poythress & Rebecca B Taylor. That's long been our working-hypothesis. It has yet to be proved. Those of you who, like I, have a genie program & try to keep track of relationships know that for purposes of seeing extended-relationships -- to 1st / 2nd / 3rd cousins, etc, know we can "see" or track those connections if we "attach" one person to another with a low-level of surety, AND put a note at his "birth" entry of needing proof of the connection. Sadly, I've been too much away from routinely & frequently using my genie program for too long. (Even more sadly, events causing that are still continuing.) Please pardon my misstatement of that farthest-back direct connection to Lewis & Rebecca. Barbara | 09/12/19 3:04:46 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: RIP David Franklin Poythress born in Meridian MS - PS Sorry; error | Albert Tims | Barbara, Funny;). No apology needed - - I just figured I was out of the loop on the David E. connection. Never a reason to apologize — ever;) Best, Al | 09/12/19 3:43:13 |
| [POYTHRESS] Updated version of the 1712 will of John Poythress, Prince George County, VA | Albert Tims | Poythress List, We have changed the display the will of John Poythress, Prince George County, Virginia 1712 as a link to the will transcription appearing in The Southside Virginian: A Journal of Genealogy and History, Vol. IX, No. 4, pp. 154-155 (October – December, 1991). And we have added additional source documentation. Whenever possible, we’ll do our best to provide full source documentation and respect copyright protected materials not otherwise in the public domain. https://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-virginia/will-of-john-poythress-proven-11-dec-1712/ Note: The document link below goes directly to the 1712 will transcription appearing in the journal. The Internet Archive provides for downloads of PDF and other file formats, as well as further documentation about the digital record. The portal makes it is possible to page through or do key word searches of the entire journal, if desired. https://archive.org/details/southsidevirgini91991/page/154 Best, Al | 09/12/19 7:54:54 |
| [POYTHRESS] Will of Mary Poythress, Dinwiddie County, VA, 1772 | Albert Tims | Poythress List, Note: This will was first posted to the Poythress mailing list back in March, 2001. https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/poythress.rootsweb.com/thread/11391115/ The 1772 will for Mary Poythress of Dinwiddie County mentions her late husband, Edward Poythress, and her daughter Tabitha Poythress as an executor. Also mentioned, as a witness to the will, is Elizabeth Poythress. This Elizabeth is not mentioned as a daughter, so perhaps she is the wife of a Poythress relative? https://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-virginia/will-of-mary-poythress-dinwiddie-county-va-1772/ I don’t know much about this Edward and Mary Poythress family, so I hope some on our list can help put the family and significance of the will in proper context. Based on a mailing list post some years back by Michael Tutor, I suspect this is the same Edward Poythress mentioned in a 1753 land transaction — which puts him in close proximity to William Poythress land on Reedy Branch in Dinwiddie County. This property location proposition may be strengthened by mention of a John Cryer as a witness to the will and a William Cryer mentioned below documented as a neighbor to an Edward Poythress in 1753. On April 18, 1753, in Dinwiddie County, John Williams, 38 acres, on both sides of Reedy Branch adjoining William Poythress, William Cryer, Samuel Gordon and Edward Poythress. This certificate was afterwards altered to the name of Zacharias Penn. We have a will for an Edward Poythress already posted - but it is from 1781 in Isle of Wight County, VA. Coincidentally, or perhaps significantly, it mentions nearly identical given names for three daughters — a daughter Elizabeth, a daughter Mary and a daughter Tabitha. Could this Edward be a son of Edward and Mary mentioned in the 1772 will? If so, it seems curious that Mary would not have included him in the distribution of her estate. https://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-virginia/will-of-edward-poythress-virginia-1781/ I hope we’ll be able to sort this out — or document the sorting out already done;) Best, Al | 09/12/19 9:56:50 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Will of Mary Poythress, Dinwiddie County, VA, 1772 | Albert Tims | Poythress List, I’d like to update this earlier post with a link to an analysis assembled by Barbara Poythress Neal (posted Sept. 28, 2007) addressing Poythress and Cryer connections. This work adds Joseph and Francis Poythress to Edward and William and Mary among the Poythress mentioned in connection with the Cryer family (1738-1764). https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/poythress.rootsweb.com/thread/4576628/ Best, Al | 09/12/19 12:56:00 |
| [POYTHRESS] 1 more correction re David Franklin Poythress born in Meridian MS | Barbara Neal | With thanks to Elaine, who gently let me know that I miscounted her Daddy's place in his family: "Daddy was the youngest of 7 children. His brother Francis Asbury Poythress passed at the age of 5, many years before Daddy was born. He is buried beside my grandaddy Carl's brother Richard High Poythress in Meridian." (Double-checking my notes today, in 2002 I'd indicated that David said this brother died of strep throat. They are buried in Meridian's Magnolia Cemetery, where his marker has the dates he lived, dying in early 1931, long before availability of penicillin. I note that child's name is a clear reflection of the family's Methodist heritage, consistent with other extended family that moved to the Alabama & Mississippi area from Virginia.) Barbara | 09/13/19 5:40:19 |
| [POYTHRESS] Updated Will (not abstract) for John Poythress of Martins Brandon Parish, Virginia 1724 | Albert Tims | Poythress List, We have converted this page from an abstract to a full transcription with several contextual and explanatory notes. https://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-virginia/john-poythress-of-martins-brandon-parish-virginia-1724/ Best, Al | 09/13/19 8:36:55 |
| [POYTHRESS] Brunswick County, Virginia Chancery Court record #1796-017 Thomas Poythress, circa 1782 - 1800 | Albert Tims | Poythress List, We have added the detailed transcription of nine documents comprising the Brunswick County, Virginia Chancery Court record #1796-017 Thomas Poythress to the Poythress.org Interesting sidebar: There is mention in one document stating that Thomas Poythress had removed “long ago” to a place called Tom Bigby (*Bpn note: The Tombigbee River is in the area that later, in 1832, became the state of Alabama. This same area was indeed much earlier part of Spanish land. Even after becoming part of the Mississippi Territory purchased by the United States of America, this area was Indian land for some years.) The Tombigee River originates in northeastern Mississippi and runs through western Alabama to Mobile. The significance or accuracy of this account is not evidenced in the record. But Maynard Poythress took up the topic in this interesting and informative commentary: https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/poythress.rootsweb.com/thread/10304363/ Here’s the direct link to the nine very carefully transcribed documents. We’ve provided a download option (PDF file) for those wishing to study the documents off line. https://poythress.org/primary-records/court-records/brunswick-county-virginia-chancery-court-record-1796-017-thomas-poythress-circa-1782-1800/ Best, Al | 09/13/19 10:42:11 |
| [POYTHRESS] Hawkins to Poythress 1751 Deed Granville County, NC | Albert Tims | Poythress List, We’ve added another of Barbara Poythress Neal’s important and very carefully documented transcriptions to the Poythress.org https://poythress.org/primary-records/deeds/hawkins-to-poythress-1751-deed-granville-county-nc/ This deed is an important for several reasons, not the least of which is that it places Charles Poythress as a land owner in North Carolinaby the mid-1750s — a location just across the river and immediately to the south of what became Mecklenburg County, VA. Note: Warren County was formerly Bute County and before that was part of Granville County. Also note, that we later see Charles Poythress selling what appears to be the same land to William Cryer about 20 years later. https://poythress.org/primary-records/deeds/charles-poythress-of-dinwiddie-co-va-in-1772-1773-deeds-in-bute-co-nc/ Here’s a bit more about why the Cryer family might be worth more study. First, recall we recently added the will for Mary Poythress (1772) with John Cryer as first among her witnesses. Mary was married to Edward Poythress and mother of Tabitha Poythress. To the best of my knowledge, we do not have a maiden name for this Mary Poythress. We also have an Elizabeth Poythress, not described as a daughter, serving as a witness to this will. https://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-virginia/will-of-mary-poythress-dinwiddie-county-va-1772/ And we have a number of other Cryer-Poythress property-related connections: URL (Click on link) http://image.lva.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/GetLONN.pl?first=431&last=&g_p=P17&collection=LO Author Cryer, William. grantee. Title Land grant 2 January 1737.Summary Location: Prince George County. Summary Description: 700 acres in Prince George and Amelia Counties on both sides of Tommahitton Swamp, adjoining Joseph Poythress. Summary Source: Land Office Patents No. 17, 1735-1738, p. 431 (Reel 15). Summary Part of the index to the recorded copies of patents for land issued by the Secretary of the Colony serving as the colonial Land Office. The collection is housed in the Archives at the Library of Virginia. Other Format Available on microfilm. Virginia State Land Office. Patents 1-42, reels 1-41. Subject – Personal Cryer, William. grantee. Subject – Personal Poythress, Joseph. And we have this from the Amelia County Deed Book again showing William Cryer owning land adjacent to Joseph Poythress. Amelia County Deed Book 8, pg. 326 April 23, 1764 from William Cryer Sr. of Dinwiddie County, to William Cryer Jr. of A, for 5 shillings and for other good causes, all that tract of land of about 570 acres on the south side of Tommahitton Swamp in A, and bounded by John York…..Joseph Poythress. Recorded April 26, 1764. And this from a compilation developed by Michael Tutor: Hughes section of the book for the Dinwiddie Co, VA Surveyor's Platt Book 1755-1865, with page numbers as in the Platt Book -- p.4: 18 April 1753, John Williams 38 ac[res] both sides of Reedy Br[anch] adj[oining] William POYTHRESS, William Cryer, Samuel Gordon, & Edward POYTHRESS. This certificate was afterwards altered to the name of Zacharias Fenn. The record above places both Edward (husband of Mary mentioned above) and William Poythress as immediate neighboring landowners to William Cryer. We see a William Cryer adjoining Jospeh Poythress several decades earlier. Same lands? We also have this from a WPA survey of a small family cemetery in the area. The record can be accessed by following the link shown below. The transcriptions of interest are: Here Lyes the Corpse of Mary Poythress Daughter of Capt. William Eppes And wife to William Porthress Junr. Who Dyed The 4th of October 1750 - Age 19 years. Here lies the Mortal remains of John, William & Robert Cryer three brothers who were born in the County of Prince George some time before the American Revolution This is testimonial of affection and gratitude is placed to their memory by their nephew Robert Cryer Booth (Note: No mention of a date when the Cryer memorial may have been placed) URL http://image.lva.virginia.gov/VHI/html/08/0146.html Author Powell, Bettie B. Title survey report, Bothwell Cemetery : 1936 Apr. 15 / research made by Bettie B. Powell. Material 6 leaves. Gen. note Map location number: DIN352 Gen. note Class: Cemetery Gen. note Date: 1750 Gen. note Location: 2 miles south of Ford, Virginia on Route 613. Gen. note Cemetery includes the following family names: Blandy, Booth, Cabaniss, Cryer, Moon, Poythress The cemetery is on private land and is not documented anywhere other than this WPA description from the 1930s. Find A Grave has the WPA transcription but no location and no photographs. I think with a little more digging we’ll find even more evidence of longstanding family interactions and perhaps evidence of more. It is also of interest that we see connections over time with the Hawkins family — from whom Charles purchased the North Carolina property. I developed a working document a little while back to begin to pull together what we might be able to establish about a web of family connections linking descendants of John Hawkins to David Poythress — who moved his family from Mecklenburg County, VA to Warren County, NC in the 1850s. https://poythress.org/2017/10/12/david-poythress-connection-to-weldon-edwards-property-in-warren-county-north-carolina/ I remain hopeful that by mapping (literally) and otherwise documenting how these connections unfolded over time that we may get closer to sorting out how and from what origins we find Poythress generations in Mecklenburg. It may well be that some of the early land grants were for lands that were in what became part of Mecklenburg County and that we simply don’t have records of inheritance from father to son since no new deed may have been required. This certainly seems to have been the case for land in Brunswick County sold and taxed to Thomas Poythress that appear to be the same land granted to John Poythress in the 1720s and 1730s. Best, Al | 09/14/19 11:54:56 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress, Peterson, Claiborne, Randolph, Harrison & Ravenscroft -- tracking down Francis Poythress family ties | Albert Tims | Poythress List, I continue to try to pull together what we can establish that would lead to establishing the family background of Rev. Francis Poythress. I think what we have below might provide an incremental advancement and clues about where to dig deeper. I’m posting these working notes with the hope that some of you may have insights, additional or contradictory information or helpful advice about how we could bring all of this into a credible study of this Francis Poythress and family. This journal article is where I’ll start — as a follow-up to the earlier note today about the 1796 will of Francis Poythress. The Petersons, Claibornes, and Harrisons, and Some of Their Connections Clayton Torrence The William and Mary Quarterly Vol. 2, No. 1 (Jan., 1922), pp. 1-19 Published by: Omohundro Institute of Early American History and Culture DOI: 10.2307/1921480 https://www.jstor.org/stable/1921480 Page Count: 19 This journal article is a family history provided by Elizabeth Claiborne Peterson, a granddaughter of John Herbert Peterson. John H. Peterson is the author — he was the son of Thomas Peterson and Elizabeth Claiborne — born circa 1777 — which means he was a contemporary of many in this account. The account shared by his granddaughter with the WMQ was written in 1829. John H. Peterson’s father was Thomas Peterson (died 1788, married Elizabeth Claiborne). His brother married Sarah Epes, daughter of Col. Peter Epes. More immediately significant for us is that his grandfather John Peterson (died 1773; married Martha Thweatt) had three sons and three daughters. The daughters were named Martha, Mary and Frances. Martha married Robert Batte of Prince George County. Mary married FRANCES POYTHRESS. This account states that Francis and Mary had a son named Francis who was a horseman during the Rev. War under Capt. William Parsons. The account states that their son Francis died in Virginia soon after the war having never married. Their second child is identified as Mary who married a Mr. Randolph of Amelia County, VA. This most certainly is the Mary Peterson (Poythress) Randolph mentioned in the 1796 will of Francis Poythress. And the following may suggest why the 1796 will was unusual: In the Reverend Mr. Slaughter’s History of Bristol Parish (p. 206) there is this record: “Mary, daughter of Francis Poythress and Mary Peterson, married Randolph of Amelia County.” According to family tradition, his wife was commonly called Polly Peterson Poythress and in her stockings she knitted her initials “P.P.P.” She had been reared in the family of the Rev. Devereux Jarratt and she was about 13 years of age when she married, her fiancee being about 10 years her elder. She was quite wealthy as wealth was estimated at that time, owning 160 slaves, 80 of which she had inherited from her brother on his death unmarried (p. 81).” Randolph, W. (1952). Henry Randolph I, 1623-1773 [sic] of Henrico County, Virginia, and his descendants: Preceded by short review of the Randolph family in early England and elsewhere. Memphis: Distributed by Cossitt Library. We know that Rev. Poythress was likely studying with Rev. Jarratt prior to his official engagement as a Methodist minister — prior to 1775. If true then It is plausible/probable that both Polly and Francis (perhaps Mary too) were in the Jarratt household or in some proximity during the late 1760s. Rev. Jarratt had a plantation of more than 700 acres, likely property belonging to his far more wealthy wife, Martha (Ravenscroft) Claiborne. At this point we can establish an earlier Poythress connection to the Claiborne family and Rev. Jarratt by extension. BURNELL CLAIBORNE (Leonard’, Thomas’, William’) married, after Sept. 1738,’ Hannah (Ravenscroft) Poythress widow of Francis Poythress and undoubtedly daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth (Hamlin) Ravenscroft of “Maycox: Prince George County.” Rev. Devereux Jarratt married Martha Claiborne — daughter of Burnell & Hanna (Ravenscroft) [Widow of Francis Poythress (1707 – 1738] Claiborne. [Hanna Ravenscroft – widow of Francis Poythress] was Rev. Devereux Jarratt’s mother-in-law. The significance of having Mary (Polly) Peterson Poythress (Randolph) and Rev. Francis Poythress linked to Rev. Jarratt’s family needs further study. It might well be that Martha Claiborne was helping raise the daughter of Francis and Mary — our Poly Peterson Poythress — given that Francis is reported to have squandered much of his inheritance in a misspent youth and then found his calling under the guidance of Rev. Jarratt. The historical accounts document the extent to which Rev. Francis Poythress was away for extended periods, often hundreds of miles from Virginia. It seems reasonable that he and his wife, Mary, might not have had a traditional household and that she and her daughter might have lived with her mother’s relatives. Perhaps… Best, Al | 09/15/19 1:24:12 |
| [POYTHRESS] Francis Poythress, Dinwiddie County, VA 1796 Will | Albert Tims | Poythress List, We have now added the will of Francis Poythress, Dinwiddie County, VA 1796 to the Poythress.org https://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-virginia/francis-poythress-dinwiddie-county-va-1796-will/ This is a rather unusual will in that it seems mostly limited to establishing that "my wife and her Heirs should enjoy all the Estate that came by her without the hindrance or molestation of my Heirs.” I’m not sure who might be his heirs versus her heirs but my supposition is that he and his wife may have been trying to protect her (or their) assets from claims that could have arisen if he had died intestate or with a marriage agreement (mentioned but not documented) that may have had unspecified defects. The only person mentioned (other than “my wife”) is daughter Mary Peterson Randolph. We have reason to believe she was called Polly. Michael Tutor did a very deep dive into this Francis Poythress in a post to this list back in 2006. It is well worth revisiting his theory that this may have been Rev. Francis Poythress. I have often presumed he was a bachelor due to his itinerate lifestyle as a circuit riding preacher and the absence of any mention of a family in the historical accounts of his work and the fact that he was living with his sister in Kentucky later it life. If the thesis below holds promise then we may develop a more focused study of his sister Susannah. https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/poythress.rootsweb.com/thread/5294058/ I would add that that theory may be reinforced a bit further by this account I shared back in 2007 List, My recent post closed with a question about the relationship between Poythress family and Rev. Devereux Jarratt of Bath Parish. In the Reverend Mr. Slaughter’s History of Bristol Parish (p. 206) there is this record: “Mary, daughter of Francis Poythress and Mary Peterson, married Randolph of Amelia County.” Neither the date nor the place of their marriage is given but it is certain that the marriage of Henry Randolph V is here referred to.6 According to family tradition, his wife was commonly called Polly Peterson Poythress and in her stockings she knitted her initials “P.P.P.” She had been reared in the family of the Rev. Devereux Jarratt. If this [Randolph] family tradition is an accurate account, why would Mary (Polly) Peterson Poythress (born 1763) to Francis Poythress and Mary Peterson be reared in the family of Rev. Devereux? And if true, how might this connect with the known relationship to the education of Rev. Francis Poythress? Reviewing this and related earlier posts to the Poythress list along with preliminary explorations of a few other sources I came to see that a potentially important clue was right under my nose: From Claiborne of Virginia: descendants of Colonel William Claiborne: the first eight generations. John Dorman & Claiborne Smith, Gateway Press, 1995. BURNELL CLAIBORNE (Leonard’, Thomas’, William’) married, after Sept. 1738,’ Hannah (Ravenscroft) Poythress widow of Francis Poythress and undoubtedly daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth (Hamlin) Ravenscroft of "Maycox????.· Prince George County.” Rev. Devereux Jarratt married Martha Claiborne — daughter of Burnell & Hanna Claiborne. The reports I’ve read so far seem to indicate that he left the management of their plantation to Martha. All of this needs to be documented but if proven true it would mean that the widow of Francis Poythress (1707-1738) [Hanna] was Rev. Devereux Jarratt’s mother-in-law the we may have a new insight into the basis for apparent ties to Mary (Polly) Peterson Poythress (Randolph) and Rev. Francis Poythress. | 09/15/19 9:00:41 |
| [POYTHRESS] colonial Poythress and map comments | Julie Cabitto | On Saturday I was at a LVA (Library of Virginia) event. The keynote showed some fascinating colonial records available in LVA, and all the new documentation discovered of the earliest African slaves in Virginia. In the year 1619! New discoveries about DNA, and mixed race marriages back in colonial days, where exactly the first slaves came from...so many amazing things...To see the images of these records projected on a large screen was really fun for me. One thing in particular really stunned me so I wanted to send a note here to the list. I know & understand about county formations, and when they were formed. But I didn't realize till this event: I had only seen maps of Virginia after Virginia became the United States. They showed a map I'd never seen anything like it before, during British rule when there were only "5 shires", drawn way differently in 1680 than any other early VA map I've seen . While showing the map, they explained that every year, the landowners had to go to Jamestown & report every person on their property, who they were responsible for. The lists were recorded by shire. I saw long lists in the 1680s that listed people by name, not a number. Also notated their status, servant, indentured, slave etc. The lecturer also went on to explain the list of "people of quality". When I hear that term, I think of British nobility. But, it was total opposite in the colonies. They showed a list about "people of Quality" with the fine print underneath explaining the term actually meant: your poor, prisoners, orphans, indentured, slaves, servants, ....Also, the earliest blacks (or people of color) whether free or slave had Spanish names, they were Catholic while in Africa. Then they changed their names to be English so they could be Church of England during British rule. I thought these things can make a big difference when researching a person. Back to the 5 shires. The map showed narrow angled lines, going out of Jamestown, like 5 trapezoids drawn out from Jamestown. Charles City in colonial days also included Brunswick, Mecklenburg & Lunenburg County. Possibly Surry & Dinwiddie. I'd have to look at the map more. It went from Jamestown, 2 straight angles southwest, to the NC/VA state border. That map is making me rethink where I thought some of the really early Poythress lived. It seemed reasonable that some people lived in Surry then 20 years later moved to Brunswick with a new patent, as there were people migrating that path at that time. But our Poythress might not have moved after all. There's a term I can't remember. I know it happened in New Orleans, when the places in the Louisiana Purchase became the US, people went to prove their claims, that their family owned the land before the United States came, so the land stayed in their name. I don't remember exactly what happened with Virginia. But I'm thinking this is what patents were. I'm thinking that patent was the term of land transferring from being land of the crown to now privately held. If I got any of that wrong, please set me straight. With Lewis Poythress being born about 1760, that was happening while he was a teenager. So, Lewis Poythress father & grandfather could have a land patent that said Charles City, & really be right where Lewis had land in 1840. For my own curiosity, I'm going to have to start reviewing land entries on the Poythress site, looking at patents listed, looking for any water ways mentioned. I also need to learn what the waterways were called before mecklenburg & Brunswick became counties. I just looked to see if LVA had that map online to send you a link but they do not. Every colonial record I saw in presentations this weekend, I'd never heard about before & neither had anyone around me. So, I think there are lots of newly available colonial records indexed & now available at lVA that might help us with our earlier Poythress. I'll let you know when I spot anything Poythress. Julie Cabitto | 09/16/19 8:34:18 |
| [POYTHRESS] Recent Study of the Archaeology of Bethel Academy -- Rev. Francis Poythress a founding elder | Albert Tims | Poythress List, This monograph from 2017 is included a detailed account of Rev. Francis Poythress and family in Kentucky related to his role in the Methodist Church and the founding of this school. It includes information about his sister’s estate, his niece and other details I have not previously encountered and certainly not compiled so thoroughly. This is a fascinating monograph because it places the project in context and involves an archaeological survey of the land and artifacts discovered on the site. I found 117 mentions of Francis Poythress in addition to mentions of his niece and a detailed biography of her husband and associate of Rev. Poythress — John Metcalf (described as from a well-to-do Virginia family). https://place.asburyseminary.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1141&context=firstfruitsheritagematerial Best, Al note: The file may be a bit slow to download but once it loads it can be saved as a PDF file. | 09/16/19 10:23:54 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: colonial Poythress and map comments | Albert Tims | Julie, This is fantastic — thank you. Is the presentation or a bibliography of the resources used going to be available somewhere on the LVA website? Sounds like a presentation they may need to repeat. For reference, I just a couple days ago posted a link to the Newberry Library’s Atlas of Historical County Boundaries — an interactive map that indeed shows the boundaries in 1634 as shires (although it says there were eight (8) original shires). 1634 Eight shires (original counties) created: ACCOMACK (original, now NORTHAMPTON), CHARLES CITY, CHARLES RIVER (now YORK), ELIZABETH CITY (extinct), HENRICO, JAMES CITY, WARROSQUYOAKE (now ISLE OF WIGHT), and WARWICK RIVER (later WARWICK, extinct). (Hening, 1:224; Tyler, 197–198) 1636 NEW NORFOLK (extinct) created from ELIZABETH CITY (extinct). (Robinson, 62, 85–86) 1637 LOWER NORFOLK (extinct) and UPPER NORFOLK (later NANSEMOND, extinct) created from NEW NORFOLK; NEW NORFOLK eliminated. (Robinson, 59, 70, 85) WARROSQUYOAKE renamed ISLE OF WIGHT. (Robinson, 82) The Newberry map indeed shows the diagonal lines you describe with James City and Charles City encompassing much of the land that later became many of the counties where the Poythress are variously located, taxed, etc. These diagonals don’t begin to be carved up until the 1720s when Brunswick County becomes the geographically largest Virginia county following the south side of the Meherrin River’s course to the point where it crosses into North Carolina. And to the West along to NC border to roughly modern Grayson County. It wasn’t until 1652 that Surry was formed from James City — after that changes were happening quite often through the late 1700s. Below is the textual summary of key county boundary changes. The interactive map is much more fun;) https://publications.newberry.org/ahcbp/map/map.html#VA AMELIA 25 Mar 1735 AMELIA created from BRUNSWICK and PRINCE GEORGE. (Hening, 4:467-468) 01 Jan 1754 AMELIA lost to creation of PRINCE EDWARD. (Hening, 6:379-380) 01 May 1789 AMELIA lost to creation of NOTTOWAY. (Hening, 12:723-724) BRUNSWICK 17 Dec 1720 BRUNSWICK created from PRINCE GEORGE; BRUNSWICK not fully organized, attached to PRINCE GEORGE. (Hening, 4:77-79; Robinson, 46, 75-77; Winfree, 179-185) 31 Oct 1723 BRUNSWICK gained from ISLE OF WIGHT and SURRY. (Va. Exec. Jour., 4:56) 15 Apr 1730 Boundary between BRUNSWICK and GOOCHLAND clarified [no change]. (Va. Exec. Jour., 4:216) 01 Jan 1733 [1 January 1732/1733] BRUNSWICK gained from ISLE OF WIGHT and SURRY; BRUNSWICK fully organized, detached from PRINCE GEORGE. (Hening, 4:355-356) 25 Mar 1735 BRUNSWICK lost to creation of AMELIA. (Hening, 4:467-468) 01 May 1746 BRUNSWICK lost to creation of LUNENBURG. (Hening, 5:383-385) 01 Feb 1781 BRUNSWICK lost to creation of GREENSVILLE. (Hening, 10:363-364) 06 Nov 1787 BRUNSWICK lost to GREENSVILLE. (Hening, 12:596-597) and Mecklenberg DINWIDDIE 01 May 1752 DINWIDDIE created from PRINCE GEORGE. (Hening, 6:254-256) 10 Jul 1902 DINWIDDIE lost to creation of Petersburg as an independent city, 1st class. (Bain, "Body Incorporate," 18-21; Swindler, 10:166, 169) 01 Dec 1921 DINWIDDIE lost small area to the independent city of Petersburg. (Petersburg Assessor's Office, correspondence, February 1990; Bain, Annexation, [242]) 01 Jan 1932 DINWIDDIE lost to the independent city of Petersburg. (Petersburg Assessor's Office, correspondence, February 1990; Bain, Annexation, [243]) 01 Jan 1956 DINWIDDIE lost small area to the independent city of Petersburg. (Petersburg Assessor's Office, correspondence, February 1990) 31 Dec 1971 DINWIDDIE lost to the independent city of Petersburg. (Petersburg Assessor's Office, correspondence, February 1990; U.S. Census Bureau, " Significant Changes to Counties and County Equivalent Entities: 1970-Present," http://www.gov/geo/www/tiger/ctychng.html, 4 August 2003) LUNENBURG 01 May 1746 LUNENBURG created from BRUNSWICK. (Hening, 5:383-385) 10 May 1752 LUNENBURG lost to creation of HALIFAX. (Hening, 6:252-254) 10 May 1754 LUNENBURG lost to creation of BEDFORD. (Hening, 6:381-383) 01 Jan 1755 LUNENBURG lost to BEDFORD. (Hening, 6:441-442) 01 Mar 1765 LUNENBURG lost to creation of CHARLOTTE and MECKLENBURG. (Hening, 8:41-42) 01 Oct 1777 LUNENBURG gained from CHARLOTTE. (Hening, 9:327) MECKLENBURG 01 Mar 1765 MECKLENBURG created from LUNENBURG. (Hening, 8:41-42) But since Lunenburg was: PRINCE GEORGE 23 Apr 1703 PRINCE GEORGE created from CHARLES CITY. (Winfree, 11-12) 17 Dec 1720 PRINCE GEORGE lost to creation of BRUNSWICK; BRUNSWICK not fully organized, attached to PRINCE GEORGE. (Hening, 4:77-79; Robinson, 46, 75-77; Winfree, 179-185) 01 Jan 1733 [1 January 1732/1733] BRUNSWICK fully organized, detached from PRINCE GEORGE. (Hening, 4:355-356) 25 Mar 1735 PRINCE GEORGE lost to creation of AMELIA. (Hening, 4:467-468) 01 May 1752 PRINCE GEORGE lost to creation of DINWIDDIE. (Hening, 6:254-256) 10 Jul 1902 PRINCE GEORGE lost to creation of Petersburg as an independent city, 1st class. (Bain, "Body Incorporate," 18-21; Swindler, 10:166, 169) 01 Jul 1916 PRINCE GEORGE lost to creation of Hopewell as an independent city, 1st class. (Va. Acts 1916, Jan. reg. sess., ch. 65/pp. 89-102) 01 Dec 1921 PRINCE GEORGE lost small area to the independent city of Petersburg. (Petersburg Assessor's Office, correspondence, February 1990; Bain, Annexation, [242]) 01 Jul 1923 PRINCE GEORGE lost to the independent city of Hopewell. (Hopewell Housing and Community Development Dept., correspondence, January 1990; Bain, Annexation, [242]) 01 Jan 1945 PRINCE GEORGE lost to the independent city of Petersburg. (Petersburg Assessor's Office, correspondence, February 1990; Bain, Annexation, [244]) 01 Jan 1952 PRINCE GEORGE lost to the independent city of Hopewell. (Hopewell Housing and Community Development Dept., correspondence, January 1990; Bain, Annexation, [245]) 01 Jan 1956 PRINCE GEORGE lost small area to the independent city of Petersburg. (Petersburg Assessor's Office, correspondence, February 1990; Bain, Annexation, [246]) 1969 PRINCE GEORGE lost to the independent city of Hopewell. (Hopewell Housing and Community Development Dept., correspondence, January 1990) 31 Dec 1971 PRINCE GEORGE lost to the independent city of Petersburg. (Petersburg Assessor's Office, correspondence, February 1990; U.S. Census Bureau, "Significant Changes to Counties and County Equivalent Entities: 1970-Present," http://www.gov/geo/www/tiger/ctychng.html, 4 August 2003) Your point is excellent — here we see Mecklenburg created from Lunenburg but that earlier Lunenburg was created from Brunswick and Brunswick from Prince George and Prince George from Charles City. So early patents in Charles City could well end up being land later described as being in any of these subsequent counties or even a sequence of counties if the land was held for generations or even during shorter periods. Since we do have the dates of these boundary and/or name changes we should be able to align those to the dates and locations of original deeds and patents and use that to create a list of possible county name changes associated with each property record — especially if we use the landmarks to establish an approximate location within the boundaries. And here’s a reference source you might find in a local VA library: Hiden, Martha W. How Justice Grew: Virginia Counties, An Abstract of Their Formation. Jamestown 350th Anniversary Historical Booklet no. 19. Williamsburg: Virginia 350th Anniversary Celebration Corp., 1957. Thank you for sharing such a richly detailed summary of the keynote and for your ongoing contributions. Best, Al | 09/16/19 10:42:57 |
| [POYTHRESS] Map comments cont'd - Patents & re the VA-NC dividing line | Barbara Neal | Thanks Julie & Al re your today posts. It reminded me when I saw Julie's mention of Patents & each of you mentioning "to the NC line" -- so I'll mention these 2 brief comments (all I currently have time for) for the benefit of those who never knew these things, and those who have forgotten: There was major Colonial-era disputing re which map "parallel" [latitude] was correct for dividing VA from NC. I forget how many decades it went on before it was resolved, by it being either farther north or farther south (I can't now recall which) than many people believed/wanted. It affected where many people had long lived. ALSO - the VA Patents' transcriptions are at our website thanks to Al's great work, posted under Primary Records. Barbara | 09/16/19 11:34:39 |
| [POYTHRESS] Compilation of Poythress in Prince George County, VA Records, 1702 – 1844 | Albert Tims | Poythress List, We have another extensive and important compilation of records now available on the Poythress.org website: Compilation of Poythress in Prince George County, VA Records, 1702 – 1844, transcribed and compiled by John Maynard Poythress from various records of Prince George County, VA, 1702 – 1844. Revised October 4th, 2004. https://poythress.org/primary-records/court-records/compilation-of-poythress-in-prince-george-county-va-records-1702-1844/ The 87 page document can be viewed in a paginated format online and/or downloaded using the link provided below the viewer. Best, Al | 09/17/19 2:23:34 |
| [POYTHRESS] Compilation of Poythress mentions in Prince George County, VA land tax records between 1782 and 1811 | Poythress List, This compilation extracted from microfilmed records at the Library of Virginia was done by Maynard Poythress back in 2000. I am pleased to add it to the Poythress.org website. Link below. https://poythress.org/primary-records/court-records/poythress-in-prince-george-land-tax-records-1782-1811/ Best, Al | 09/17/19 12:53:12 | |
| [POYTHRESS] Will of Joshua Preston of Brunswick County, VA, 1835 -- Estate bequeathed to James E. Poythress and heirs | Albert Tims | Poythress List, Today we added Barbara Poythress Neal’s transcription of Joshua Preston’s will to the Poythress.org https://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-virginia/joshua-preston-will-brunswick-county-va-1835/ We also have a rare bible transcription James E. Poythress and family contributed by Barbara Poythress Neal: https://poythress.org/primary-records/bible-records/poythress-preston/ And a study of James Edward Poythress https://poythress.org/family-studies/poythress-progenitors-james-edward-poythress-of-virginia/ Best, Al | 09/18/19 3:18:23 |
| [POYTHRESS] Additions to the Poythress site | Albert Tims | Poythress List, Some may be interested in these additions to the Poythress site. 1. A very early compilation and description of Poythress in the historic Blandford Church Cemetery in Petersburg, VA https://poythress.org/primary-records/cemetery-records/poythress-observations-at-blandford-church-cemetery-petersburg-virginia/ 2. The CSA service record for Nathan Francis Poythress, second child of James E(dward) Poythress and Catherine S. Preston. https://poythress.org/primary-records/military-records/nathan-francis-poythress-csa-service-record/ 3. The 1876 will of Benjamin Stanley Brunswick Co., Virginia - he was married to Rebecca L. Poythress https://poythress.org/primary-records/wills-estate-records/will-estate-transcriptions-virginia/in-virginia/benjamin-stanley-will-brunswick-county-va-1876/ Best, Al | 09/25/19 4:06:14 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Relay from Sarah: Otelia & John Buxton Poythress; John L Poy & Tanners etc | Lyn Baird | Sarah, belated thanks for all these comments, and Barbara, belated thanks for relaying and adding to. Here are some further thoughts: "They may have had one child, Minnie, who lived only from 28 Apr 1895 to 5 Jan 1900; this child's marker gives the dates of her life but not the names of parents; she is buried next to (Sarah's opinion:) her grandparents, John Lewis Poythress and his wife Tabitha Ann." >> I was not aware of this child. I agree that Minnie as granddaughter buried in plot of maternal grandparents is a reasonable proposal." "Otelia lived in the 1900 Census household of her own parents, John L Poythress & Tabitha Ann, with Otelia listed as a widow. [...] John Buxton Poythress died 30 Apr 1926 and I think she said that date was per his death certificate, which I think she said listed him as Single" >> Yes, that is what the census record and the death certificate show. Of course John Buxton Poythress was not dead when the 1900 census taker characterized Otelia as widowed. And then the 1926 death informant is apparently unaware John Buxton Poythress was ever married. Clearly this marriage was not treated normally after the fact. "Regarding the Elizabeth Poythress who Lyn noted was in the same household with George Washington Poythress twice [once in parents' Edward Poythress & wife Mahaley household in the 1860 Granville Co, NC Census; and once in the 1870 Person Co, NC Census household of George W Poythress & wife Permelia]: Sarah thinks Elizabeth was "close" as a sister of George W, and perhaps they were twins." >> Since the presence of this Elizabeth supports the idea that George Washington Poythress is son of Edward Poythress (and therefore not son of David Poythress), I am assuming that Sarah's remarks indicate that she favors Edward Poythress as father of George Washington Poythress. For me, after looking at all the evidence, that is the most promising conclusion. For more on this, see my 6/4/19 message to the list "Evidence of John L. Poythress Relation to George Washington Poythress". There I offer a case for both John L. Poythress and George Washington Poythress being sons of Edward Poythress. "Sarah described John Buxton Poythress as the son of George Washington Poythress & Permelia Redman (also has been seen spelled Redmond); Sarah mentioned "of Orange Co, NC" (which she reminded me is around the Charlotte area)." >> Yes, I agree with these relationships. However, it should be clarified that Orange County is just to the west of Durham and Chapel Hill, not in the Charlotte area. For the connection between Susan Permelia Redman (or Permelia Susan Redman) and Edward Poythress, see my 6/4/19 "Evidence of John L. Poythress Relation to George Washington Poythress". The George Washington Poythress family moved through Granville, Person, Chatham and Durham Counties. Some of the children resided in Orange County as adults. "One big take-away Sarah wanted to relay is about John Lewis Poythress & other Poythress folks being frequently tied up with TANNER families, and that if someone will do further checking on the TANNER family, it could help identify more of the ancestral line of John Lewis Poythress." >> I find the Mortimer Tanner connection interesting. As Barbara points out, in 1850 John L. Poythress resides in the household of Mortimer and Elizabeth Tanner in Granville County, NC. Meanwhile, in that same year Mortimer's parents, Evans and Rebecca Tanner, are living next door to Edward and Mahala Poythress, in Mecklenburg County, VA (Tanner household 240 and Poythress household 241). We know that Mortimer is son of Evans and Rebecca Tanner from his 1868 (second) marriage to Ella Martindale in Wake County, NC. Coincidence? In my 6/4/19 "Evidence of John L. Poythress Relation to George Washington Poythress" I proposed John L. Poythress as son of Edward Poythress solely on the weight of his apparent relationship to George Washington Poythress, evidenced by the John Buxton Poythress to Otelia Poythress marriage of "cousins". I did not include this Tanner connection. But I do think that this Tanner connection does strengthen a case for John L. Poythress as son of Edward Poythress. Sarah, thank you again for your interest and feedback about my 6/4/19 "Evidence of John L. Poythress Relation to George Washington Poythress". I will add that if you ever come across any evidence of how John Buxton Poythress and Otelia Poythress were cousins, that would be very interesting to share. --Lyn | 09/29/19 6:28:15 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Lewis Poythress land mentioned in Mecklenburg VA | Lyn Baird | Julie, very belated congratulations on this find. I am convinced this is the approach to pursue -- to look for candidate neighboring land that mentions Poythress. Everyone: This brings up a question for me: How did Thomas M. and Lewis Y. Poythress disposed of this 140 acres? We have the following: Deed of Trust 7/12/1848 from Lewis Y Poythress to Williamsson Pearson, David Poythress third party: "...all his interest in the tract of land whereon the sd Poythress now resides containing 100 acres more or less together with his interest in one youke of oxen (being the land &c conveyed by Lewis Poythress decd to sd L.Y. & Thomas Poythress) lying & being in the county of Mecklenburg & state of Virginia..." [Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 32, pp. 537-538; from transcription in full to Poythress List by Barbara Poythress Neal 2/12/2009] Deed 10/16/1852 from Thomas M. and Lucy Poythress and Rebecca B Poythress to Charles D. Cleaton: "...parcel of land lying and being in the county of Mecklenburg and State of Virginia containing ninety eight acres be the same more or less and bounded by the lands of Chas D. Cleaton on the north & East, and by the lands of Rebecca or Richard King on the South and west..." [Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 34, pp.85-86; from transcription in full to Poythress List by Barbara Poythress Neal 2/7/2009] This all seems to relate, but does not match neatly. * The 1848 Deed of Trust states explicitly that this is land conveyed from Lewis Poythress in 1845, yet the acreage does not match. 140 acres v. 100 acres would appear to be too big a difference to be some survey discovery etc. Did Lewis Y. Poythress forfeit on the debt? Did Williamson Pearson take possession? And if so, how did Pearson dispose of it? * The 1852 Deed does not state how Thomas M. Poythress acquired the land, but does list adjacent property. However, these adjacencies do not match directly to those of the 1845 deed (which were "...by the land of Charles D. Cleaton and John Giles and David Poythress, Williamson Rainey Sr..."). To see whether they can be matched would take some tracing out of the changes of title of those adjacent lands. But in addition to that, as with the 1848 transaction, the acreage does not match 1845. There seem to be some missing puzzle parts. In my very quick search of archives and my own files, I do not find any other records that relate. Please has anyone else chased this down? Or, is anyone aware of another transaction or transactions that might shed light? Thanks for any further information. --Lyn | 09/30/19 6:44:11 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Relay from Sarah: Otelia & John Buxton Poythress; John L Poy & Tanners etc | Barbara Neal | Thanks, Lyn (from amid a road trip, in an early morning moment of computer-access) so much for your email & reminder of the date of your earlier 6/4/19 email "Evidence of John L. Poythress Relation to George Washington Poythress." Thanks too for your correction (likely due to the hasty, incomplete scribbling of notes I made while listening to Sarah on the phone, trying to follow all her comments, & also form my follow-up questions at the time) that the "Cha" I likely scribbled, should have been "Chapel Hill" rather than "Charlotte." Sorry I did not take time to look at the map when typing up Sarah's verbal info in my email to the List. Thank you too, Lyn, for noting the TANNER proximity. Onward, with great thanks for both Sarah & Lyn comments, Barbara | 09/30/19 7:29:08 |
| [POYTHRESS] William Cleaton Property Map Location, Mecklenburg Co, VA, circa 1763 | Albert Tims | Poythress List, We have recently acquired the latest version of the DeedMapper software and a number of the Virginia county maps and placements available from the Deed Data Pool. I’m still learning how to use the software and am not yet ready to add new property but there are enough Poythress and allied family properties in the datasets for us to begin to “map” communities. I’m attaching a link to a map section from current Mecklenburg County, VA (Lunenburg at the time of the patent) showing a 400 acre patent to William Cleaton - on the head of Miles’s Creek and Great Creek. The vertical line to the right is the current boundary with Brunswick County. https://poythress.org/primary-records/deeds/william-cleaton-mecklenburg-county-va-property-map-acquired-circa-1763/ Below is one of the reasons this is of interest — note that you’ll see property boundaries for several of the men mentioned in this transcription. And notably, a William Poythress as a witness. Abstract of this Deed from Mecklenburg Co, VA Deed Book 3, p.553, re-transcribed here by Bpn from TLC Genealogy's 1991 volume of Mecklenburg Co, VA Deeds 1771-1776 (Deed Books 3 & 4; note TLC uses "M" as an abbreviation for "Mecklenburg"): Mar 8, 1773 from Henry Langford of M, to James Hargrove of M, for 10 £, 200 acres in M bounded on the west by the east fork of the Great Cr, on the north side by William Claeton Sr [Cleaton], on the east side by John Nipper, it being part of the land where Langford lives. Signed - Henry (L his mark) Langford. Wit - Lewis Parham, Isham Malone, William Poythress. Recorded Mar 8, 1773. We have a couple Dortch properties due west — roughly where US1 and US58. As a side bar, not far away is property owned by Field Jefferson — Thomas Jefferson’s uncle;). Best, Al | 10/02/19 9:01:11 |
| [POYTHRESS] Laban House Marriages | Lyn Baird | Please does anyone have either/both of the following marriages they could share? This is relevant to research on the ancestry of Nancy Thomas of Mecklenburg County, VA, mother-in-law of Thomas M. Poythress and grandmother of William L. Poythress and others. Specifically I am seeking evidence/citations of the parents of Laban House. Laban House and Elizabeth Barnes, 1841, Brunswick County, VA, cited on familysearch.org as "Virginia Marriages, 1785-1940," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRQF-T21 : 11 February 2018), Laban House and Elizabeth Barnes, 11 Dec 1841; citing Brunswick, Virginia, reference ; FHL microfilm 30,659. Laban House and Nancy Ann Caroline Black, 1856, Bastrop County, TX, cited on familysearch.org as "Texas Marriages, 1837-1973," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FX3Z-6YS : 11 February 2018), Labem House and N. A. C. Black, 23 Sep 1856; citing , Bastrop, Texas, , reference 2:2DCJZQR; FHL microfilm 965,226. I understand I can get these at a family history center, however for me those are a bit of an adventure to access, so I am checking whether someone out there on the list might already have this to share. In any event thanks for checking. --Lyn | 10/04/19 2:11:50 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Laban House Marriages | Peter M. Somerville | Family Search has digitized a lot of its microfilm records. Our local genealogy library, where I volunteer, has access to these digitized records. You no longer need to go to a family history center. When I go through our library server, I log into my own account with Family Search, and somehow it knows I am logging in through the library and gives me access to images that are not available when I log in from home. If you don't have a library in your area with this access, I will be volunteering again Tuesday and can try to look up your records. Let me know. Peter | 10/04/19 6:32:42 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Laban House Marriages | Lyn Baird | Peter, I did not know this. If you could look these up Tuesday, that would be great. Thank you! You mention "logging in through the library". So how does someone, or how could I, get a library card or whatever that allows me digital access? I do not find a "real" family history center near me, but if I could get digital access through one, anywhere, then distance would not matter, I guess. Thanks so much for responding. --Lyn | 10/05/19 6:53:16 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: New and Upcoming Documents to the Poythress Surname Website | Lyn Baird | Al, thanks and congratulations for the many new web postings announced during September -- a lot of material to work through. It is great to see so much becoming available in a stable form for the future. --Lyn | 10/07/19 1:33:53 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: New and Upcoming Documents to the Poythress Surname Website | Albert Tims | Lyn, Thank you. I hope to add more soon. And I hope the Deed Mapping software will allow us to visualize the proximities of families and perhaps provide new insights. BTW — there are a couple LDS Family History library sites here in the Twin Cities. I’ve never used them but they’re not far from my home, so if you need anything I hope you’ll let me know. I’d be happy to assist. Best, Al | 10/07/19 2:05:48 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress and Associated Family Property locations in Dinwiddie County, VA | Albert Tims | Poythress List, I’ve posted a map segment for Dinwiddie County, VA showing the locations of deeds, patents and property transfers documented in the Deed Data Pool. There are all sorts of disclaimers we’d need to include and caveats about the limitations on the scope of the properties loaded into the database. Consider this a draft/preliminary visualization tool. You’ll likely need to use the zoom feature if you wish to view these property locations. Think of this as a research aid that might help us develop new insights about allied families and the proximities of the Poythress families. I now know that the Butterwood Methodist Church (established in the 1760s) in Dinwiddie County was likely on land owned by Francis Poythress. This is one of the churches where Devereux Jarratt (rector for Bath Parish) and Rev. Francis Poythress held services. More on this to come, I hope… This segment does not show all of the Poythress property in Dinwiddie County or all of the allied family names of possible interest or family tie. I hope this will yield some “ah-ha” moments for a few of us. https://poythress.org/primary-records/deeds/poythress-properties-in-dinwiddie-county-va-pt-1/ Best, Al | 10/07/19 3:01:06 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Poythress and Associated Family Property locations in Dinwiddie County, VA | Barbara Neal | Neat to see, Al; thanks. I think I gather correctly, but correct me if I'm wrong: I think you're indicating this "segment" is part of the CURRENT-day configuration of Dinwiddie County, VA? I'm curious whether you can easily describe for us what segment (northern half; S.W. corner; etc) of the county, please? Seeing all the Poythress names in this part of Dinwiddie Co reminded me of something relayed by my father's great-Aunt Becky -- Rebecca B.J. nee-Poythress Lavender -- about Petersburg, VA. Petersburg now is a sizeable "Independent city" immediately adjacent to the eastern edge of the county of Dinwiddie. That county shares one of its sides with Brunswick Co, with the Nottoway River forming the county line between them. Mecklenburg Co (germane to the James E Poythress birth-family of my father's great-Aunt Becky) is immediately west of the lower half of Brunswick Co. The upper half of Brunswick Co abuts Lunenburg Co, above Mecklenburg. The western edge of Dinwiddie Co shares the land of "Fort Pickett" with Nottoway Co, VA to the west (above Lunenburg Co) with the southern edge of Fort Pickett's property extending just across the Nottoway River into Brunswick Co, VA. AL. Side note to you re "Indian land" -- my distant recollection mentioned to you the other day re Indian land had something to do with Fort Pickett, which might be another good "search" term to use in our earlier List emails. I'll put my info gotten via "Aunt Becky" in a separate email to the List tonight. Barbara | 10/07/19 9:12:29 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Poythress and Associated Family Property locations in Dinwiddie County, VA | Albert Tims | Barbara, The map shows current boundaries and major roads, although they’re not well labeled. I’m attaching another clip — a bit further west that includes the western county boundary and a portion of Ft. Pickett. The red line is US 460. I’ll need to start linking the individual properties to the transcriptions we have so we can better understand the dates, etc. I’m sure you’ll notice the allied family surnames — which may offer clues about other land grants and patents to examine. I’m very interested in the Claiborne properties just north of the large Francis Poythress tract, and the Cleaton (Clayton) surname and Cryer with property adjacent to Poythress. I looked at the Indian Lands mentions and have yet to find anything that offered clues about why the Poythress seem to have acquired much of this property. It crossed my mind that Peter Poythress (Indian trader and interpreter) might have had some role — not sure how or why, of course. Thanks for making this possible. Best, Al | 10/07/19 11:48:06 |
| [POYTHRESS] Colonial Era Poythress Properties -- Northwestern region of current Dinwiddie County, VA | Albert Tims | Poythress List, Still experimenting with ways to share map locations of these early land grants and deeds, I’ve posted a map of the deeds over a contemporary map showing boundaries, roadways, etc. You’ll need to zoom in, I suspect, but this should provide sufficient points of reference to get a good sense of the property locations. There are a number of other Poythress properties in Dinwiddie — mainly to the south and east of the section shown on this page. Eventually, if this approach proves useful, then we can add more sections to cover the entire county. https://poythress.org/primary-records/deeds/poythress-colonial-era-properties-in-northwest-corner-of-dinwiddie-county-va/ Best, Al | 10/09/19 9:13:33 |
| [POYTHRESS] War of 1812 Bounty Warrant for Peter and Lilly Poythress -- and related documentation | Albert Tims | Poythress List, Below is a new compilation of documents related to Peter Poythress and his wife, Lilly Poythress. The summary compilation is based on a message thread between Barbara Poythress Neal and others on this list dating back to 2002. Peter was born in Dinwiddie, lived and owned property in Mecklenburg County, VA, was the son of Meredith Poythress, may have spent some time in Georgia prior to the War of 1812. His widow (heir) was awarded 160 acres in Arkansas for his service. I have an image of the original warrant and a very interesting and beautifully preserved survey map showing the location of the property and the names of all neighboring grant holders. I don’t know if these grants were awarded so that those who served together would be in the same community. The Poythress land is in the 4th row from the bottom — near the middle. https://poythress.org/primary-records/deeds/peter-lilly-poythress-war-of-1812-military-bounty-land-warrant/ I have this posted under the deeds primary records section on the website but may move some of the content to the Family Studies if we’re able to further document this individual and his family. I suspect some of you may have additional information we could add so we can share a more comprehensive understanding of this Peter Poythress and his immediate family. Best, Al | 10/09/19 11:46:41 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress genealogy & books by Betty Lawrence of Meridian, MS | Barbara Neal | Hi Earl Poythress (great-grandson of James Speed Poythress, father of your grandfather James David Poythress), In this response to your email (which is at the bottom here), I'm copying our Poythress researchers' email-subscription List, since I gather you, too, MAY be a subscriber. I hope so. It is thru pooling our questions & answers that folk make progress. I hope you'll please break the cycle of waiting too long to follow up on tips others have given you thru the decades. If you have not yet (since my January 2018 recommendations to you) done so, I strongly encourage you to: (1) subscribe to the Poythress-List , please if you haven't already; and (2) consult all the robust sources of material beneath the numerous tabs at our Poythress Surname History website, https://poythress.org/ As I think I mentioned earlier this year when you, Earl, last emailed me: Al Tims, our Poythress site webmaster (who is not a personal genealogist for hire) spends much effort as webmaster, locating & making available on the site, information on various POYTHRESS lines for each of us to consult. The remainder of this email from me is covering BOOKs by Betty Lawrence of Meridian, MS (who is mentioned in Earl's below-email) in an effort to have available online and potentially-findable, her name and her books. (Just now I checked the familysearch.org site for the Family History Library Catalog, and failed to find Betty listed as an author there; hopefully her books are available somewhere, perhaps at the NSDAR Library in Washington, DC, and/or in Meridian, MS). Betty's BOOK covering Poythress genealogy is what gave me a great boost when I first began working on Poythress genealogy decades ago. It was self-published in 1978 in Meridian, MS by Betty Lawrence [She was a member of DAR, Colonial Dames, the Daughters of the Confederacy, etc; her husband, chiropractor Dr. Tom Lawrence who you mentioned in your below email, Earl, was also active genealogically in the local chapter of the Sons of the American Revolution]. Betty Lawrence's full maiden name was Clara Elizabeth Peel. Betty Lawrence's 1978 book covering Poythress & other lines, originally was a light-blue 3-ring binder of loose-leaf typed-mimeographed-pages, with a long title: "The Families of William Gilbert, Sr. and Susannah McDaniel, & James Edward Poythress and Catherine Smith [sic] Preston, & Related Families: Lavender, McKinley, Pinson, Peel, Bennett." (no index) Betty's "Revised August 1993" copyright version of the above book was an updated computer-typed version of the above book; that revision was published the same month she died, still with no index. She lived 1914 to 1993. It was then available from her husband, Dr Tom Lawrence, who was then-dba (doing business as) Mount Barton Publishers, Meridian, MS. The book's then-title was: "Giles and Joan (Pearce) Gilbert, Sr. & James Edward and Catherine Smith [sic] (Preston) Poythress & Descendants & Related Families: Bennett, Lavender, McDaniel, McKinley, Peel, Pinson" Dr Tom Lawrence died at 87 in June 2005; their son who then-lived in Houston TX was their only child listed in Dr Tom's obit in the mid-Sept 2005 issue of "Dynamic Chiropractic" (which I saw thanks to a 2012 google search). In 2012 I mailed a letter to the name and Houston address found online which appeared to be their son, Thomas Eugene Lawrence, JD, expressing the hope that Betty's books would be made more widely available to genealogical audiences, whether in print form or posted digitally at a website, where PDF versions are more easily searchable and do not require indexing to be highly useful. Sadly I got no response even though I enclosed a self-addressed stamped envelope so I could be advised whether or not I'd reached the correct person. Betty Lawrence also published these below books. I presume (but I do not know for sure) that all were copyright; that none were indexed; and that all were published as 3-hole-punched sheets, as was the above one: [Note: the first name of the title of this first-below book, Richard Bracewell, was apparently the London England ancestor of the line(s) in the title] - Richard Bracewell, Gentleman, and Robert and Mary Peele & Their Descendants & Related Families: Brasswell, Bryant, Burgess, Carver, Cotton, Dearman, DeLoach, Dew, Gilbert, Gilliam, Guinn, Hill, McDaniel, McKinley, Mercer, Peel, Permenter, Pigford, Pinson, Poythress, Loyd, Robbins, Sampson, Snow, Stiles, Taylor, Wedgworth, West and Wood. With an Addendum by Horace Peele 1995 rev ed. - Robert and Elizabeth McKinley & Descendants & Related Families: Bishop, Dearman, Gilliam, Lunsford, Lyon, McElroy - History of Sumter County, Alabama [this was a compilation of photocopied newspaper articles] - A History of Lauderdale Springs, MS [it is possible this is also a compilation of articles] Barbara | 10/12/19 3:11:32 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Poythress genealogy & books by Betty Lawrence of Meridian, MS | Albert Tims | Barbara, I may already have Maynard’s version up — I’ll look. Same experience with Earl. He once said Judy Speed asks him to stop contacting her — I didn’t pry into the reason. Thanks for the back channel. I’ll see if I can find an email for Judge Lawrence. If so, I’ll make an inquiry. Best, Al | 10/13/19 1:55:54 |
| [POYTHRESS] Oliver Dortch in 1870 Warren Co NC hh of David Poy's son Charles Poythress | Barbara Neal | All, I'm re-pasting Elaine's BELOW posting about Oliver Dortch in the 1870 hh of Charles Poythress, which seems to be a helpful reminder of Dortch-Poythress connections -- in case it got overlooked in May. I just tried searching the archives of our List emails trying to find out if anyone acknowledged having seen it -- I wondered about anyone having seen it (a) being not sure even I saw it, much less that Julie did; (b) perhaps because its prior caption was one of those less-than-informative captions, "Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 75" HOWEVER in the List-email search nesting of emails, it was so convoluted with other responses to other emails of that Digest, that I could not answer my own wondering;) Sorry if this was indeed seen & today's email from me duplicates unnecessarily. Barbara | 10/15/19 1:25:49 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Oliver Dortch in 1870 Warren Co NC hh of David Poy's son Charles Poythress | Albert Tims | Barbara and List, Yes, it was noted, I believe and resulted in a good bit of discussion and clarifying contributions from list contributors. I agree about responding to the digest version results in confusing subject heads in the archive. This census reference to Oliver Dortch in the Charles Poythress home was added toBarbara Poythress Wolfe’s study of Lewis, David and Charles: https://poythress.org/family-studies/study-of-lewis-david-poythress-virginia/ Barbara shared important background on Oliver that helps explain why we find him in the Poythress home: On Apr 27, 2019, at 9:48 PM, BARBARA WOLFE via POYTHRESS >>> >>> >>> Lyn, >>> >>> Thank you for your ‘eagle eye’ in detecting the census record >>> regarding “Delir” Poythress. I am in perfect agreement with your >>> analysis. >>> >>> My Dortch records show that Sarah Dortch and one William Dortch were >>> siblings. William had a son named Oliver born in 1843, Nutbush, >>> Warren, NC. He and Charles David (born 1849) therefore were first >>> cousins. The dates of their births coincide with the census too. So >>> again, many thanks! >>> >>> Al, how should I add this to the study of David Poythress? So >>> exciting to put another piece of the puzzle together. >>> >>> Best, >>> Barbara (BPW) Below is Julie Cabitto’s more detailed account of the Dortch - Poythress connections and reference to the very helpful chart she developed and made available on the website. This account should be added to the site as well. Julie wrote: I agree with Michael Tutor & Lyn's notes on the 1870 Census. Interestingly when I went to look for it, Ancestry had already marked it as a hint for David Poythress in my tree, so I just attached that in my tree. Here is the chart Al put up on the Poythress web pg that will show the Dortch-Poythress connections: http://poythress.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/James-Speed-land.pdf As far as William Dortch in 1860 with Ben Stanley, it cannot be Oliver Jasper's father. Because that William died in 1859, see Bible notes below. I have that Census pg & saw no William Dortch. Thank you for the notes he was omitted, I had not seen this before & it's rather big for me. I looked at the end of the batch & saw him. He is listen as Wm Dortch age 17, farm laborer. William, the father of Oliver Jasper Dortch would have been 44. But, my Alvy Dortch (son of William), age 17 has never been found on the 1860 Census. The family story was Alvy was 17 when enlisted, but I'm now realizing he was really age 16 in 1860, so close, but he was just a bit older. So,.... I am convinced this is actually Alvy, son of William Dortch & Sarah Poythress, brother to OJ Dortch. And that is pretty cool he's with Ben Stanley & Rebecca Poythress after his parents died. They would be his aunt & uncle. He often wrote his name AN Dortch, but that really does look like a Wm on the Census. BPW wrote she had William Dortch & Sarah were siblings. This is correct. David Poythress 2 wives were sisters, and William was a brother, all children of Newman Dortch (bondsman for Lewis Poythress marriage to Patsy Giles ) & Sarah Speed. One of these days I will find some good paper proof, I'm determined! For now there is a lot of good circumstantial evidence & connections. Julie Cabitto **************** Here is a post I did about an hour ago, but probably got lost in multiple subjects so reposting here: _________________________________ Hi List, Sorry if it keeps showing up digest & numbered. I'm not sure how my settings got like that. Wanted to reply to the Dortch Warren, NC messages here. This William Dortch is my gr...grandfather. Hester Dortch (daughter of Alvy Dortch, grand daughter of William Dortch & Sarah Poythress) copied our family Bible in about 1919. There were multiple fires that destroyed Hester's siblings' homes, records, etc for this family. The original Bible was in one of those fires. But Hester's grand daughter gave me a typed copy in 2004. It was typed in outline format, doubting it was written that way. "T" was dropped from Dortch in this version. There are some minor copying errors, which I correct in brackets. William Dorch b. 12/28/1816, d. 6/23/1859 married first Sarah G. Poythress on 31 Jan 1837. Sarah was b. 1/6/1814, d. 12/12/1854 Their children were: A. Martha William Dorch b. 1/15/1838 m. John S. Vaughan on 12/8/1863 1. Mathew C. Vaughan b. 5/31/1866 2. Fannie W. Vaughan b. 10/5/1869 B. Henrietta Spaud Dorch b. 10/30/1839, d. 1/19/1843 [I believe should say Speed] C. Oliver Jasper Dorch b. 2/3/1843, m. A.D. Vallinding on 12/20/1871. 2 children [married Agnes Jennie Vanlandingham and they had 8 children] D. Alvin Newton Dorch b. 12/6/1844, d. 8/1915 married Tenneysee Jordan Glover on 4/5/1866. Tenneysee b. 26 Jul 1847, d. 10/25/1919. Their children: [Tennessee, all 11 of their children's birth dates were given, including my line through Theresa India Dortch] E. Thomas Newman Dorch b. 7/7/1847, d. 10/8/1857 William Dorch m. 2nd Elizabeth ___?__ in 1855. [Elizabeth Mise, married 9 May 1854. ___________________ At the time of the war, Alvy & Oliver (OJ) were orphaned. Their sister Martha lived until abt 1870. So the brothers joined the Confederacy. Alvy joined at age 17 & was in Point Lookout. After the war, OJ went to Warren, NC & lived the rest of his life there. Alvy remained in Mecklenburg until about 1900. William Dortch's parents were Newman Dortch & Sarah Ann Speed. These things are all in my Ancestry.com is a link to my William: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/15292316/person/242240000/facts Thanks for the other Census notes on Poythress mispelled on Census. Not sure I had all these Julie Cabitto | 10/15/19 2:10:34 |
| [POYTHRESS] More Mecklenburg County VA early deed locations | Albert Tims | Poythress List, I’ve just added another map segment of early deeds in Mecklenburg County Virginia. You’ll see the location of property owned by John and David Dortch, John Speed and other surnames found connected to Poythress, Dortch and Cleaton records and more. As a location reference point, the Dorch (Dortch) properties are near an intersection of two red lines — the North-South line is US 1 and the red line connecting from the West is US 58. This is near the old Plank Road and not too distant from Lombardy Grove — south of South Hill. As mentioned before, I’m still working on how best to extract more of value from these deep maps. This is a larger map section, so you’ll be able to see the location of Cleaton, Lark, Taylor and others. These pages will continue to evolve. https://poythress.org/primary-records/deeds/mecklenburg-county-va-early-deeds/ Best, Al | 10/16/19 7:21:02 |
| [POYTHRESS] Photo | Crystal Marvin | Bruce Poythress.....I am hoping you can identify this photo. I am thinking it’s your father in law. It was found in a stash of Jarrell photos and was taken in the same spot, same day as another photo of Dora Jarrell Poythress and Alger Peters(on), her second husband. Can you show your husband or Julia for verification? The first is with Dora, the second is him. Thank you ☺️ Crystal Sent from my iPhone | 11/08/19 11:10:52 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Photo | Crystal Marvin | Let me try again | 11/09/19 1:05:42 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Photo | Crystal Marvin | Can you send me your email address and I will send them back to you as a personal email Crystal Sent from my iPhone | 11/09/19 1:08:55 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Photo | Bruce Porter | Hi Crystal,I don't see any pics or attachments? -----Original Message----- From: Crystal Marvin To: poythress Sent: Sat, Nov 9, 2019 1:11 am Subject: [POYTHRESS] Photo Bruce Poythress.....I am hoping you can identify this photo. I am thinking it’s your father in law. It was found in a stash of Jarrell photos and was taken in the same spot, same day as another photo of Dora Jarrell Poythress and Alger Peters(on), her second husband. Can you show your husband or Julia for verification? The first is with Dora, the second is him. Thank you ☺️ Crystal Sent from my iPhone | 11/09/19 6:55:57 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 103 | Julie Cabitto | Thank you for your kind words Al. I wanted to say here that I find your work so amazing regarding both the website and your personal research. I love your organization, your creativity & ideas for sharing and user friendly formatting. I am very grateful for all your efforts with the Poythress site, which I consider a valuable and very interesting research tool; which I bookmarked and reference often. I'm thankful you & Barbara started this list so we can all learn from eachother & share sources to try to help document our Poythress ancestors. Can't really use words enough to express my gratitude enough. Julie | 11/13/19 6:46:15 |
| [POYTHRESS] early Virginia map-to help with early Poythress land | Julie Cabitto | Hi Poythress list, About 3 months ago I was telling you I saw a map shown at LVA at a Colonial VA records conference. That I was stunned to see it, thinking this would mean I need to change my thoughts on early Poythress deeds. I understand county formations, and that sometimes family moved inland as the frontier moved. But I didn't realize I hadn't seen any maps of this area while it was still British, pre-USA days. So our early, early guys... it really depends on the time of course....But Charles City County, Dinwiddie, Isle of Wight, Surrey, Brunswick, Lunenburg & Mecklenburg....one property in the same family for 100 years could be in all of those counties, they might not have moved! After the revolution there's more circular or square shaped counties that just got smaller as time went by. But these trapezoid like shapes were the shires, & the landowners with thousands of acres went annually to Jamestown to report every person by name that lived on their land. And some of these records still exist! I was shown examples in this presentation. My friend helped me find a map to show you what I saw, although the map in the lecture was 10 years earlier with only 5 shires. The map is interactive, you can click on the year. So if say you have a deed from 1720, you can see where the county lines were then. If they were born in one county & land in another, it could still be the same place. Here's the link:https://publications.newberry.org/ahcbp/map/map.html#VA Julie Cabitto | 11/13/19 7:30:58 |
| [POYTHRESS] Thanks & observations re newly-posted Death certificate for James Speed Poythress | Barbara Neal | Thanks, Al, for posting the James Speed Poythress death certificate furnished by Earl Poythress, and thanks Earl, hopefully seeing this email whether or not you are a List-subscriber. It's good to have your attention focus on Poythress matters and supplying documents for posting. The "Nathan" listed as father's name of the deceased -- mentioned in Al's email about this death certificate -- is a good reminder that not only is the mental acuity of the decedent important in determining the value of info we find on death certificates -- Much also depends on the "Informant" (who is usually listed near the bottom of a death certificate, as indeed he is on this one), and on the combination of: - that Informant-person's age, - his/her own memory & mental acuity, - how much that Informant-person was in a position to be aware of, throughout the life of the deceased. We can note that the Informant in this March 1923 death certificate was listed as "Carl Poythress of Meridian, Miss" This Carl was Carl Hutton Poythress, youngest son of the 9 children of James Speed Poythress & his wife Martha / Mattie Grice Raiford, (who had died 6 years earlier, in August 1917 during the influenza pandemic that took many others including other Poythress ancestors who then lived in Meridian, A.E. Poythress & his wife Ellen). Carl Hutton Poythress was born in March of 1884 so was about age 39 at the time his father died. We would all hope that a son, even the youngest son, would certainly have been in place to have known much of his father's life, and that hopefully at 39 his memories would be reliable. Though I don't today have time to search it myself, likely a search of old archived Poythress-List emails would uncover much discussion in early years as some of us discussed that potential-Nathan. IF memory serves me correctly, the potential-Nathan as father was eventually viewed as likely Carl Hutton Poythress' memory-error. It seems like he had also mentioned Nathan as his ancestor in some other context(s) -- a letter, that I think came down to our long-subscriber Elaine thru the line of David Franklin Poythress who died this Fall; and a letter quoted in Betty Lawrence's book (whether the same letter or a different letter, I don't recall). Pondering all that is a strong reminder to me, as I contemplate passing on family stories to younger generations during the holidays, to watch what I/we say and not try to give the story we're relating more of a sheen of it being the absolute-truth than it merits;) Onward - Barbara | 12/13/19 4:14:14 |
| [POYTHRESS] New Document - Death certificate for James Speed Poythress | Poythress Community, As many of you may know, James Speed Poythress is believed to have moved to Sumter Co. Alabama with his uncle, James Edward Poythress and family, approximately January 1853. James Speed Poythress subsequently moved to Meridian, Mississippi. A good many of his descendants have participated on the mailing list over the years, so I believe this record will be of interest. It was provided to us by Earl Poythress of Georgia - a James Speed Poythress descendant. https://poythress.org/primary-records/death-certificates-funeral-records/james-speed-poythress/ What is peculiar about this document is that it lists the name of his father as Nathan. His father was David Poythress, not Nathan. For more on David Poythress of Mecklenburg County, VA and Warren County, NC — see https://poythress.org/family-studies/study-of-lewis-david-poythress-virginia/ I suppose we should keep in mind that he was 93 1/2 years old at the time of his passing. His cause of death was influenza with senility as a secondary cause. The informant on the certificate was Carl Poythress. And we see a note saying the name of his mother could not be obtained. We know his mother was Mary Speed (nee Dortch) of Mecklenburg County, VA. We’d welcome other primary documents such as this if you’d care to share them on the research website. If you’re interested is seeing a photo of him late in life with all his adult children, you’ll find a splendid family photo (with captioning) in the website's image galleries — under the Poythress Families Group Photos tab. Best, Al | 12/13/19 11:51:38 | |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Lewis Poythress land mentioned in Mecklenburg VA | Julie Cabitto | Hi Lyn & Poythress list, This subject is an ongoing project for me. I have been trying to figure out what happened to the land. One thing that is very tricky with this particular land is that Charles D. Cleaton & his son WW Cleaton who got most of this land you mention & were neighbors on that deed....these Cleaton's bought sold LOTS of parcels, in several locations. They might buy 80 acres then divide & merge it several ways, with the numbers constantly changing, & not adding up. I'm excited to find a new clue this month. A friend gave me a copy of a processioner report of 1845. There was "a school house tract" bordering the lands of Williamson Rainey & Lewis Poythress in Mecklenburg, VA. Others near the tract were P. Bracey, CP Tanner, R Dugger & M Williams. I'm asking other descendants/genealogists of those families if they've heard of this school tract. I'll be going back to Mecklenburg mid January & hope to find Julie Cabitto | 12/24/19 11:46:42 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 118 | Julie Cabitto | Hi Lyn, Have you been able to see these images? I could see them at my home. But I am a FamilySearch volunteer, so I might have some more access. I think, that if you just sign in to FamilySearch you can see them? If not, let me know & I'll send you the images. Also, I've been emailing with 2 Thomas researchers about someone from this Thomas family, I'll ask them about the house too. Julie | 12/24/19 12:09:30 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 118 | Julie Cabitto | correction, I didn't realize, like Nancy House family; a name, my goof. I know what you mean now. I am pulling & sending you the images Lyn. | 12/24/19 12:17:45 |
| [POYTHRESS] Rediscovering Christanna John Kincheloe | Lyn Baird | Happy New Year. I recommend Rediscovering Christanna: Native Worlds and Governor Spotswood's Fort by John Kincheloe, available at Amazon and elsewhere. Many of you will have some familiarity with Fort Christanna in Brunswick County, Virginia. This book provides fresh insights into that history and aftermath, especially from the perspective of Indian peoples involved. The narrative is lively and interesting, while reflecting scholarly care and restraint, with rich footnotes and bibliography. Truth in advertising -- not one Poythress is mentioned. But anyone interested in contextual understanding of Southside Virginia and bordering North Carolina in the early eighteenth century should find it to be a worthwhile and delightful read. --Lyn Poythress Baird | 01/04/20 8:57:30 |
| [POYTHRESS] Question about your website | James Cali | Hi there I was checking out your genealogy page below. I decided to bookmark it. I was also wondering if you could add our two links below to it? The Genealogy Guide https://www.thehubpost.com/a-genealogy-guide/ Genealogy Research Strategies https://www.publicrecordsreviews.com/education-center/genealogy-research To Your Page: http://poythress.org/links/genealogy-family-history-resources/ Both of our content peices above took us about a week to complete. We did extenesive research and even had a professional writer rewrite it before we published the two articles. I hope to get a positive response back. If by chance you are not the person that manages the page above, could you please forward my email into the right person. I would appreciate it so much. Thank You, James Cali | 01/09/20 10:18:56 |
| [POYTHRESS] Ancestry plan to discontinue the Rootsweb Mailing Lists | Albert Tims | Poythress List, We’ve just learned that Ancestry has decided to terminate the functionality of the Rootsweb mailing lists effective March 2nd, 2020. Below is the announcement: "Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails. Additionally, administration tools will no longer be available to list administrators and mailing lists will be put into an archival state. Administrators may save the emails in their list prior to March 2nd. After that, mailing list archives will remain available and searchable on RootsWeb. As an alternative to RootsWeb Mailing Lists, Ancestry message boards are a great option to network with others in the genealogy community. Message boards are available for free with an Ancestry registered account. Thank you for being part of the RootsWeb family and contributing to this community. Sincerely, The RootsWeb team” I am trying to find out if, indeed, administrators can save the list’s email archives — so far I’ve not found any way to do this. But it seems the archives may continue to be available but messages posted after March 2nd would need to be posted to an Ancestry message board — but that message board would be only available to those with a registered (paid) Ancestry account. I’m going to look for a way for us to continue to have a free public message board. My guess is that most of our subscribers do not have Ancestry accounts. I suspect there will be considerable consternation among the many mailing lists hosted on Rootsweb but what consequence list administrator protests may have are difficult to anticipate at this stage. I’ll post more as I learn more… Best, Al Tims | 01/09/20 11:09:54 |
| [POYTHRESS] Transition options for the Poythress Mailing List -- after March 2nd, 2020 | Albert Tims | Poythress List, 1. I’ve posted to the Rootsweb list administrator/manager list asking if/how we can capture all our old messages so they might be migrated or imbedded as a feature of the website. So far, there seems to be no way. But only a few list managers have responded. As noted yesterday, Ancestry “says” the archives will be preserved and will still be searchable but who knows for how long… Needless to say, there are some very upset list managers out there — feeling betrayed and abandoned by Ancestry. 2. We need to decide where to go with the Poythress mailing list. The options currently under most active discussion among the list administrators are: 1. Google Groups. Many folks use gmail and are familiar with Google Drive, etc. but Google charges once the archive gets larger. And some think Google controls too much already. https://support.google.com/groups/answer/46601?hl=en 2. Groups.io This is far more capable than the Rootsweb mailing lists — can post attachments, use HTML, post images, etc. And it is free. A number of list managers are setting up using this provider. I am trying to lean more. https://groups.io/ 3. Boardhost — This resource has many strengths and lots of options for making sure the mailing list can’t cluttered up with messages from folks who haven’t joined to mailing list. It allows for topic forums, etc. Also seems worthy of consideration. https://boardhost.com/features.html I’d welcome your thoughts and suggestions. There may be other options. What I do want us to achieve is control over our message archive — Rootsweb, it seems, has total control of our list contributions and seems to be moving toward creating some sort of pay wall (via Ancestry membership) for access. Well, that seems to be the fear among the list managers. As I mentioned, we have so far found no way to sweep up our old posts. We can’t allow that to continue — the work of the Poythress community should be preserved and protected. My current thinking is that we’ll post messages to the list once we decide and in advance of the March 2nd lights out that will direct those who view the archive to the new mailing list host so they can participate. And I propose to use the website to do the same — might even be able to integrate so moving between the website resources and the discussion list will be much easier. Barbara Poythress and a few others know that we started the Poythress mailing list back in the mid 1990s when the surname mailing lists were still being hosted by Indiana University in Bloomington — Ancestry lost some of the earliest years. Yet another reason we shouldn’t allow a third party to have ownership/control over the contributions of our list community. I’ll update again when I know more… Best, Al | 01/10/20 2:52:51 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 15, Issue 1 | Julie Cabitto | I saw that too Al. It's good there's the Poythress website. I'm thinking about a few ideas from platforms I'm familiar with to keep it free, will check & get back to you. I'll email you. Julie | 01/10/20 7:31:13 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Transition options for the Poythress Mailing List -- after March 2nd, 2020 | Lyn Baird | Al, thank you for this information about alternatives. It is sad to be evicted. I agree it would be nice to avoid Google. I was not acquainted with Groups.io or Boardhost. Obvious questions that come to mind: For a free service, how is it funded, and is that sustainable? (I notice Groups.io states it is freemium, which to me indicates reliance on users outgrowing the free service and upgrading to paid service.) For a paid service, how do we set up to fund it in a sustainable manner? Thank you for your research and leadership to get us landed elsewhere! --Lyn | 01/11/20 7:51:02 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Transition options for the Poythress Mailing List -- after March 2nd, 2020 | Albert Tims | Lyn, Groups.io does have a fee if the storage gets large. I’m exploring but what I’m hearing from the administrator group is that you’d need to exceed 1 GB before it kicks in and that regular message traffic won’t count toward that limit. You can set the list to accept images, PDF files and other attachments — or not. Not allowing those sorts of large files would avoid the fee. Several lists have already migrated and are reporting on their experience so far. Like you, several list administrators say they would prefer to avoid Google groups since it links to individual Google email accounts. I’m still looking at Boardhost. I plan to setup both a Groups.io and a Boardhost list — to test — not to deploy at this point. But I plan to wait until I learn more about the push back on Rootsweb and hear from our subscribers about preferences. And since I use WordPress for the Poythress.org website there is a possibility that I could find a suitable plug-in to create a message board as a feature of the website. That is one sure way to guarantee that we are in total control of the archived messages and might make it easier for folks to make contributions via attachments that could then get incorporated as a research resource on the website. Julie and others may be aware of how others are responding. As far as I know, Rootsweb did not notify the list managers with an email or posting to the message lists. I learned indirectly via Barbara Poythress Neal and then immediately went to the administrator message list. I post again as I learn more… Best, Al | 01/11/20 9:59:36 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | JPoythress024 | Debbie,I believe my father had done this and he felt that he had a good handle based on his geneaology research and nothing from the test disproved it.JohnSent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone | 01/14/20 1:38:08 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | dapoythress | John, So he did an autosomal DNA test? I know he did the Y chromosome test back in the 90's for the Surname project and I had my brother submit for that as well. Autosomal is relatively new and can compare all DNA not just the Y or X from the father and the mother, but additional DNA from grandparents back to the 5th generation. That's what I am referring to with the Ancestry test.Debbie | 01/14/20 1:54:08 |
| [POYTHRESS] DNA Ancestry test question from Debbie - different from Y-DNA paternal line | Barbara Neal | (John, Debbie & all - please switch your discussion of DNA to responses to THIS email, since it really helps to switch message-captions, when we start a new thread like this one copied below, please. Thanks! Barbara) On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 1:54 PM & earlier at 12:43 PM, dapoythress < dapoythress@gmail.com> wrote: at 1:54 PM she wrote: John, So he did an autosomal DNA test? I know he did the Y chromosome test back in the 90's for the Surname project and I had my brother submit for that as well. Autosomal is relatively new and can compare all DNA not just the Y or X from the father and the mother, but additional DNA from grandparents back to the 5th generation. That's what I am referring to with the Ancestry test.DebbieSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphoneHello & at 12:43 PM she wrote: John,Have you considered do the Ancestry.com DNA test. I would love to see how we match or if we match on our Poythress' lines.I spoke often with your dad when I first started researching my Poythress line, which also comes out of Screven Co, GA. I know your line comes down from Meredith Jr and I would love to get more descendants from this line tested so I can compare my line with them.Think about it.ThanksDebbie Poythress-Concepcion Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone | 01/14/20 2:04:39 |
| [POYTHRESS] Roll Call & 2 extra questions - more PLEASE | Barbara Neal | I hope more of you will please respond to this Roll Call of you currently reading List-emails, mentioning: 1. Your Poythress-related focus 2. If you ever/seldom/never accessed our List archives at RootsWeb 3. If you ever/seldom/never access our Website poythress.org Thanks, Barbara | 01/14/20 2:06:44 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions - more PLEASE | Nancy Thompson | Hi, Barbara, 1. All VA Poythress lines...multiple ancestors. Unknown male via daughter (Mary) tie to Crabb line. 2. Not really...not in a very long time. 3. Periodically, as the best available resource. Best, Nancy Thompson Maryland Get Outlook for Android | 01/14/20 2:22:26 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | Searching for proof that Lewis Poythress is or is not the father of my GG-Grandfather David E. Poythress of Mecklenburg, VA and then Warren County, NC. I have accessed List archives and read emails generated via Rootsweb. I have and do access Poythress.org Elaine Poythress Criddle Please respond to this Roll Call of you currently reading List-emails,mentioning: 1. Your Poythress-related focus 2. If you ever/seldom/never accessed our List archives at RootsWeb 3. If you ever/seldom/never access our Website poythress.org Thanks, Barbara | 01/14/20 2:47:42 | |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | Nancy Thompson | 1. All VA Poythress lines...multiple ancestors. Unknown male via daughter (Mary) tie to Crabb line. 2. Not really...not in a very long time. 3. Periodically, as the best available resource. Best, Nancy Thompson Maryland Get Outlook for Android | 01/14/20 2:51:27 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | Bruce Porter | Hmm,Poythress of Northampton County, NC. Census shows white, black, mulatto, and Portuguese.Don't use list archivesUse web site seldom - | 01/14/20 3:28:26 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions - more PLEASE | Kevin Poythress | Searching for proof of father of John Lewis Poythress and interested in line back thru 1700’s. Also interested in any U.K. connections. I occasionally use the List and use the website regularly. I am a past DNA participant. Kevin N. Poythress,PE Poythress Construction Company, Inc. 1011 Classic Road Apex, NC 27539 919-463-5403 www.pccbuilder.com | 01/14/20 4:31:27 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Question about your website | marion poythress | thank you, i am the Poythress. Don't have a chance right now but will look at soon.Marion Poythress On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 07:10:15 PM EST, James Cali Hi there I was checking out your genealogy page below. I decided to bookmark it. I was also wondering if you could add our two links below to it? The Genealogy Guide https://www.thehubpost.com/a-genealogy-guide/ Genealogy Research Strategies https://www.publicrecordsreviews.com/education-center/genealogy-research To Your Page: http://poythress.org/links/genealogy-family-history-resources/ Both of our content peices above took us about a week to complete. We did extenesive research and even had a professional writer rewrite it before we published the two articles. I hope to get a positive response back. If by chance you are not the person that manages the page above, could you please forward my email into the right person. I would appreciate it so much. Thank You, James Cali | 01/14/20 5:42:45 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | nancy netter | This surname group has been so very helpful to which I credit to Barbara Neal, she helped me get beyond Benjamin Poythress "the Huckster" in Petersburg, VA. That lead me back 3 generations, Gideon, Kirby (Rev War) and then to John Poythress. 2. I use to use the archives, but not as much now.3. I took it for granted that the website would stay, but I love the links that it provided. I had the luck of staying at home raising our child and now they will soon be off to college. Now I am back at work, so I don't get to due as much genealogy as I like. Nancy J Netter On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 12:53:34 PM EST, Barbara Neal Please respond to this Roll Call of you currently reading List-emails, mentioning: 1. Your Poythress-related focus 2. If you ever/seldom/never accessed our List archives at RootsWeb 3. If you ever/seldom/never access our Website poythress.org Thanks, Barbara | 01/14/20 6:41:35 |
| [POYTHRESS] Thanks Nancy; be assured that our website is not going anywhere (was Re: Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | Barbara Neal | Nancy, thanks for your good words, though I must credit Craig Scott who filled in various info about Benjamin Poythress "the huckster" for our List-subscribers. I'm glad you were able to devote significant time to Poythress genealogy while being Mom. I too have times when I have less time than at other times. We all need to remember that genealogy is a very "patient" hobby -- It's always there when anyone has time to work on it;) Thanks for your responses as we prepare to head onward researching Poythress folk. Barbara | 01/14/20 6:50:27 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 15, Issue 4 | BARBARA WOLFE | 1. My focus is David E. Poythress of Mecklenburg Cty. Va. And Warren Cty. NC. 2. Seldom look at the archives. 3. Frequently visit our Poythress website Barbara Poythress Wolfe | 01/14/20 9:15:27 |
| [POYTHRESS] Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | Barbara Neal | Please respond to this Roll Call of you currently reading List-emails, mentioning: 1. Your Poythress-related focus 2. If you ever/seldom/never accessed our List archives at RootsWeb 3. If you ever/seldom/never access our Website poythress.org Thanks, Barbara | 01/14/20 10:52:32 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | Albert Tims | 1. Focus on documenting the ancestors and descendants of David Poythress (of Mecklenburg County, VA and Warren County, NC). Also, the ancestors and life of Rev. Francis Poythress of Virginia 2. Yes, use the archives 3. Yes, administer the Website... | 01/14/20 11:18:22 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | dapoythress | Hello Barbara,My focus right now is Meredith Poythress Sr md Edith Cleaton and his parents, Thomas James Poythress md Martha Patsy Cocke. I'm matching DNA to Meredith and Edith.Answers to both of your questions is seldom, but I do go and check both if I need additional information. I also refer people to the website for information. Thanks!Debbie Poythress-Concepcion | 01/14/20 11:18:57 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 15, Issue 4 | Julie Cabitto | Julie Cabitto's responses: Please respond to this Roll Call of you currently reading List-emails, mentioning: 1. Your Poythress-related focus----Lewis Poythress & any Virginia Poythress, especially Mecklenburg & Brunswick. 2. If you ever/seldom/never accessed our List archives at RootsWeb----seldom, only years ago accessed archives. 3. If you ever/seldom/never access our Website poythress.org -----Frequently! Love the site & how easy it is to access & find info. I especially read through land notes & Virginia related info. Love that there's pictures of people and images of records there too. | 01/14/20 11:40:33 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | Barbara Neal | 1. To determine thru the 1700s period which male Poythress(es) fathered which Poythress sons, realizing church & land records can be of great help. 2. Yes List-archives: sporadically recently; really miss the earlier-ability to search not only chronologically, but also for particular word(s) within messages' text, and on sender's email address 3. Yes website fairly often especially when Al alerts us to new content; also recommend it to others. Barbara | 01/14/20 11:57:53 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | epoythress | Barbara, Thanks for contacting me. Now that I am back in the mix of things, I can share all of my information of my run to the present. Earl Poythress On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 12:53 PM Barbara Neal wrote: | 01/14/20 12:11:42 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | Crystal Marvin | 1. Poythress of Northampton Co NC and the Portuguese Settlement, along with their Bass connections is my primary focus at the moment. 2. Yes List Archives occasionally 3. Yes, website regularly. | 01/14/20 12:14:10 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | JPoythress024 | Hi Barbara,I am Maynard Poythress' son, John Poythress.I access the site and list from time to time, but am not seriously into genealogy, like my father was.My primary focus is to stay abreast of Poythress ancestry work and love the database that traces the family and shows pics of Poythress family.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone | 01/14/20 12:25:39 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | dapoythress | Hello John,Have you considered do the Ancestry.com DNA test. I would love to see how we match or if we match on our Poythress' lines.I spoke often with your dad when I first started researching my Poythress line, which also comes out of Screven Co, GA. I know your line comes down from Meredith Jr and I would love to get more descendants from this line tested so I can compare my line with them.Think about it.ThanksDebbie Poythress-Concepcion Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone | 01/14/20 12:43:19 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions - more PLEASE | Mike Tutor | Looking at Major Francis Poythress, Rebecca Poythress I access the List archives at Rootsweb and our Website poythress.org | 01/15/20 10:05:46 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | epoythress | 1. All Poythress Lines in Virginia. The first one arrived in 1603 from Gloucester, England. That's the start of the Virginia line. Send me the name of the person and maybe I can help you. 2. I don't how to respond to your request. | 01/16/20 12:54:57 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | James A. Smith | (1) My Great Great Grandfather John P. Poythress b. 19 Sep 1833, Gadsden Co., Florida and his unconfirmed connection to James P. Poythress found in Gadsden Co., FL in 1820s. (2) occasionally (3) periodically | 01/19/20 7:38:14 |
| [POYTHRESS] Mailing List Transition Progress | Albert Tims | Poythress List, A couple updates: 1. We will be able to post to this list until March 2nd, 2020. At that point the list will no longer accept new messages or share messages to the list subscribers. But the archive will remain accessible. 2. The Poythress.org website will not change since — it is unrelated to the Rootsweb decision to stop supporting mailing lists. We will change the links on the website to point to Rootsweb archive for posts prior to March 2nd, 2020 and to the new mailing list for all posts and archive access after March 2nd, 2020. 2. Just under 1/2 of our mailing list subscribers have so far responded to the invitation to join the new list where we’re moving the list. This is the new list created using the groups.io system. If you’ve joined and would like to send a brief note or make a comment on the new list then please do so — these setup messages will go to those already subscribed as a way to make sure everyone is comfortable with the new list features. We can scrub these test messages once we’re ready to focus on posting on the new list. More about the transition to come. 3. I posted an invitation to join the new list to everyone on this list last week — that link should still work if you still have the message. Once you join you may want to go to the home page for the list to make sure you’ve selected if you want to get messages in a digest format or individually, as they arrive. You can add a member name and even a signature line, but none of that is required. And you can format your messages to include larger type, italics, different fonts, etc — again not required. We’re hoping everyone will decide to make the transition so we continue to address the many unanswered questions about the many generations of Poythress and allied families. Best, Al ps. If you don’t have the earlier message you can find and join the new list at: https://groups.io/g/Poythress | 01/20/20 2:29:39 |
| [POYTHRESS] Earl's query re another Ben Poy of Meridian | Barbara Neal | Earl & all - You must give some more info re the Ben Poy you asked about today, since that is too common a name to help with otherwise, and the wife name of Bessie is no help to me: - roughly when was he Director for the Mountain View Village Housing Authority in Meridian - roughly when did he live - do you have a middle initial for him Thanks, Earl. I'll put Morris G Poy in a different email, otherwise things get too confusing. Barbara | 01/20/20 2:48:45 |
| [POYTHRESS] Earl's query re a Morris G Poy gf of a Wm J Poy | Barbara Neal | Earl & all - Earl you said you have been chasing Morris G Poy, who had 2 sisters... Here is what I know about Morris Gail Poythress (b 1937 Meridian MS). I've also seen/heard (somewhere unrecalled) that some may have spelled his name as Maurice Gail Poy. By whichever spelling he was a great-grandson of James Speed Poy. Morris' parents were Chris Edwin Poy (b 1912; d 1989 in OK) & Chris' first wife Bessie Green; Morris was their 3rd kid after 2 sisters, just like you mentioned. Morris' grandparents, aka Chris Poy's parents were Bryant Richardson Poy Sr (b 1881 to James Speed Poy & Bessie Ione Robinson) & Bryant's wife Bessie Ione Robinson. Patti Poy Koscheski (abbreviated PPK below) of our Rootsweb Poy-List emails is a half-sibling (1 of 2 kids) from Chris Edwin Poy by his 2nd wife, Virginia Foster. The W J Poy who you mentioned as a grandson of Morris is her brother. PPK has for some decades lived in southern CA. In 1994 Patti told me that Morris Gail married a Patricia (last name unknown) who went by Patty; they had 2 sons. Morris G was a career Navy man; they moved to CA upon retiring; he & Patty were divorced (I don't have any idea of time range for either the move or divorce except sometime after 1979 and before CA's Loma Prieta earthquake of 1992). Morris G & his 2nd wife (unkn name) moved to Michigan OR Minnesota (PPK couldn't recall or didn't know which) after that earthquake. PPK of our P-List on Rootsweb also relayed that she had unexpectedly met Morris once -- in 1979 when they stopped in Meridian to visit her Aunt Maelynn and Uncle Buck, W.F. Buckley. For a while after that PPK exchanged Christmas cards with Morris, but after he divorced Patty, she never heard from him again. | 01/20/20 2:48:50 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 15, Issue 15 | Bryan Poythress | 1) My line, (Claude Raymond, John William, Joshua Edward, ...) When I have time2) seldom3) seldom Bryan Poythress | 01/20/20 2:54:24 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Earl's query re a Morris G Poy gf of a Wm J Poy | epoythress | Barbara, Thanks for your search of Bryant's relative Gail. I have a picture of him on the South Side Elementary School football team when he was in the sixth grade. I remember going to their Housing Project' s two story apartment. Earl P. > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > | 01/20/20 3:29:34 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Earl's query re another Ben Poy of Meridian | epoythress | Barbara, If Ben, Jr. is still alive, he can fill in some information about his father. Ben Sr's wife went to South Side Baptist Church and I would see her. This occurred around the 50's. Never knew Ben, Sr. She never came to see my grandparents. I guess that since my grandmother was the director of the primary department at South Side, she may have met with her. My grandmother was one of the founders of that church. Earl P. O | 01/20/20 3:39:18 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Mailing List Transition Progress | epoythress | Al, Thanks for the update and I will become active in my searches. Earl P. | 01/20/20 3:41:17 |
| [POYTHRESS] Ben E Poythress Sr & his son Ben E Poythress Jr; Meridian records at Poy site | Barbara Neal | All who are interested in Meridian MS POYTHRESS folk should get some good research results from looking at grave-marker photos at our website poythress.org, under the tab "Primary Records" down which you will find near the bottom of many types, "Cemetery Records" -- which has an arrow over to its right, to several cemetery locations, including Meridian. At the Meridian section, notice near the top of that page, there is a downloadable PDF. Its 5 pages list many members of the James Speed Poythress line as well as of the James Edward Poythress line. If you study the right-column of the PDF, the "Lot" and "Section" numbers will show you which family members are buried with who. Another column shows info about the family for each person. Looking down the column of photos of markers taken in Meridian, one can spot "Ben E Poythress Sr" with his dates of life (d 1960) and "Father" on his marker which is at Magnolia Cemetery. Rechecking my genealogy program today, I see that indeed he was employed at the City Housing Authority after earlier working for the Southern Railway in Meridian. I only met him as a child, long before he passed away & even longer before I became interested in working on Poythress family genealogy. - Further down that column of photos of markers is one of a quite similar look, for Ben Sr's wife, (not Bessie) "Lena Spinks Poythress" with her dates of life (d 1981) and "Mother" on her marker, also at Magnolia. That couple had 3 sons: - 3rd son, William Spinks Poythress only lived 1927-1932, buried at Magnolia Cemetery, Meridian; - 2nd son, James Louie Poythress lived 1924-2009, buried at Forest Lawn Memorial Gardens in Meridian; he served in WWII in the US Army 3rd Infantry in Germany; he married Betty Harrell (lived 1928-2010, buried with Louie); he was employed from 1960 to 1988 at the Meridian Post Office; - eldest Ben Edward Poy Jr lived 1920 to 1998 (buried in Petersburg VA at Southlawn Memorial Park); - he served in WWII in the Pacific where he got malaria, which periodically gave him trouble with relapses from 1943 until his death of kidney failure during a relapse; - he was employed pre-war in Meridian for J C Penney, - and post war in Petersburg VA from the 1950s to 1980s as Sales Manager for Penney's and for Sears at different times. THIS was the Ben Poythress, who as a young man on August 9, 1938, did the hand-transcription, using a quill pen, green ink, and 3 large pieces of yellow paper, trying to copy the old, old handwriting of the Poythress-Preston Family-Bible type record for his family line, from James Edward Poythress, and James' wife, a Preston, as it had earlier been hand-copied by Ben's grandfather, A.E. Poythress; it was then (Aug 1938) in the possession of Ben Sr's older brother Nathan Hamet (N.H.) Poy, who was in Meridian visiting. At the end of the 3 pages, Ben wrote his explanation of copying it on Aug 9th, and made 3 lines for signing it the next day Aug 10th, by N.H. and Ben Sr, and himself. However the next day life galloped onward and the signing was forgotten. In 1995, Ben Jr allowed me to photograph his old 1938-hand transcription; I did a typed transcription (which is also at our Poythress website); my typed transcription was published in the VA Genealogical Society's quarterly journal; color copies of the 3 pages accompanied by the more readable typed transcription are in - the Lauderdale County, MS Meridian archives (which I hope is still a going concern); - at Samford University's Library Special Collections room in Birmingham; - at the Virginia Historical Society facility in Richmond, VA; and - at the Library of Virginia in Richmond as their Accession #34866 available for viewing online. - under the "Family Bible" section of the same above-mentioned "Primary Records" part of our website. | 01/20/20 7:22:41 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | epoythress | Barbara, 1. My focus has been on James Speed and James Edward Poythress 2. Never 3. Yes | 01/20/20 11:15:30 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thanks Nancy; be assured that our website is not going anywhere (was Re: Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | epoythress | Barbara, I saw that you had information on Ben Poythress, Jr. There was a Ben the was the director on the Mountain View Village Housing Project in Meridian. His wife's name was Bessie. Ben Jr. must be part of this family. I have been chasing Morris G. Poythress, who had two sisters that lived in the Housing Project and the grandfather of William J. Poythress as he was not one of my grandfather's brothers. If you have any information on Ben's group, share it with me. Thanks, Earl P. | 01/20/20 12:41:42 |
| [POYTHRESS] Processioner's returns? | Lyn Baird | I am researching a land ownership puzzle in Virginia and am wondering how processioner's returns might help. I am aware of processioner's returns, but have not seen them or worked with them. Please who has worked with processioner's returns, and have you found that worthwhile? What information is typically in them? The records relevant to my particular puzzle are the following: https://ead.lib.virginia.edu/vivaxtf/view?docId=lva/vi02638.xml Lunenburg County Va processioner's returns 1820-1880 Sharing any experiences would be appreciated. Thanks. --Lyn | 01/22/20 5:53:54 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Roll Call & 2 extra questions PLEASE | Lyn Baird | Hi, this is Lyn Baird. I'm interested in Lewis Poythress (born Dinwiddie County, Virginia ca. 1765, and a resident of Brunswick and Mecklenburg Counties, Virginia) - seeking to find his parents, and to resolve the relation (or not) between him and his candidate children - James E. Poythress, Sarah G. Poythress Dortch, and David Poythress. I have often searched the list archives. I sometimes access the website, but not as much as the list archives. --Lyn | 01/22/20 5:57:41 |
| [POYTHRESS] Capt Poytris (Poythress) entry Brunswick Co VA Road Orders 1732-1746 | Barbara Neal | In my other message today about Road Orders, I neglected to mention that the Amelia Co VA book I consulted in 2004 was obviously prepared on computer, NOT typewritten as the 1993 Brunswick Co VA book had been. Amelia Co's volume's personal name indexx contained no Poythress by any spelling. In the Brunswick Co VA Road Orders book I described in my other message today, the p.8 entry for Capt Poytris reads in full with spelling & capitalization as shown in the book and including bracketed words to refer to missing portions from the old book of records; apparently each entry in the old book ended with a long dash perhaps to keep other words from being added in the entry: 7 June 1733 O.S., Page 26 [see Bn note below re O.S.] Henry Cook is appointed Surveyor of a Road from Cappt Poytris's Plantation on fountain's Creek to Henry Wych's fford over Meherrin and [missing] all the Male Labouring Tyths between the Cane branch and the G[missing] Swamp and that James Parham, John Clyburn, John Walker, Thomas Busbey, Thomas Burnett & francis Steed assist in Clearing the Same -- [Bn's inserted note: O.S. = "Old Style" calendar; for those who aren't aware: in the book's beginning Notes... they recap the fact that the English dating system of calendars was used until 1752. At that point it changed, where the year began on January 1, rather than as earlier, beginning on March 25 -- back before 1752 the LAST 3 months of any given year were January, February, & March to the 25th. While it doesn't mention it in the paragraph here in the book's Notes... page v, my vague recollection is that one reason for changing the dating system was to do a cumulative catch-up for earlier gradual time-lag thru the centuries. The "new" style calendar incorporated having a Leap Day in order to keep the gradual time-lag from again becoming such a problem.] | 01/23/20 1:28:36 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Capt Poytris (Poythress) entry Brunswick Co VA Road Orders 1732-1746 | Barbara Neal | PS: I get frustrated by my aging fingers' dexterity decreasing; it causes me to inadvertently double some letters, including misspelling my own first name at times, and in today's mssg, that accounts for the 2nd "x" on the word index. HOWEVER, I also get frustrated by my computer / phone at times "helping me" (the kind of help I'd prefer to NOT get) by changing spelling of something I've just typed & I have WATCHED the double-letter show up, or an intentionally-quoted misspelling show up on the screen, and as I turn back to look at what I'm typing from, I fail to notice the device has "fixed" it for m(!). Today's example in the mssg I just posted an hour ago: While the device didn't "fix" the word index with a double-x at the end, in the Brunswick Co VA Road Order soft cover book (as Pawlett transcribed as found in the old volume) I quoted a paragraph from, the typing truly DOES have "ff" at the beginning of these words: fountain's ford francis | 01/23/20 2:52:54 |
| [POYTHRESS] Test mssg: info for users of genie program TMG (The Master Genealogist) | Barbara Neal | I'm about to attempt sending this test message to both our long-time rootsweb Poythress-List, and our new groups.io Poythress-list. This is Barbara again (likely my last message for some days, due to 2 waves house-guests arriving in hours, with one full day in between them): Today as a years-ago purchaser from John Cardinal of his accompanying / complimenting program to TMG for creating one's own personal family genealogy website (something I've not done), I learned not only of John's program's update, but also that the TMG-L mail subscription List, formerly at RootsWeb, has moved on 7 January of this year to groups.io, too. It shows that since they moved, 16 days ago, they've had roughly 10 emails per day; they have 557 members so far; and in that time period 151 messages (as of 6 hrs ago) covered have covered 38 topics; that group is still busier by far than I have time for an additional membership. Their page also says the archives of their prior postings at Rootsweb (like ours of the Poy-List) can be viewed at Rootsweb. Today's IMPORTANT tidbit for me to know & likely for other users, is that at the TMG-L homepage I saw mentioned that "While TMG [The Master Genealogist program] is no longer being updated by its author, the software is excellent and does run on Windows 10." | 01/23/20 3:27:33 |
| [POYTHRESS] Also try this County Road Orders series - was Re: Processioner's returns? | Barbara Neal | Lyn & all - Nathaniel Mason Pawlett (Faculty Research Historian) & Ann Brush Miller (Senior Research Scientist) & Kenneth Madison Clark (Research Associate) authored the April 2002 report (159 pages) of the Virginia Transportation Research Council (A Cooperative Organization Sponsored Jointly by the VA Dept of Transportation & the Univ of VA) in Charlottesville, VA Report No. VTRC 02-R14 Titled Historic Roads of Virginia [series name] Amelia County Road Orders 1735-1753 [which volume, 15 years ago, I examined at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City on a research trip & made a few photocopies from its opening pages, including: [page v of which dedicated the volume to the memory of Pawlett who lived 1935-1995, saying "Faculty Research Historian" of VTRC 1973-1995 "gentleman and scholar") [page vii Foreword by Miller (above) last of 3 paragraphs noting (with me using abbreviations) This vol marks the 20th entry (in the series) first initiated by (VTRC, then the VA Hwy & Transportation Research Council) in 1973. this Amelia vol expands coverage of the early Southside VA transportation records begun in the previously publ Brunswick... 1723-1749, and Lunenburg Co Rd Orders 17461764] [a 2-pg list of other volumes THEN in the series (similarly titled) for many counties, including: Lunenburg County Road Orders 1746-1764, by Pawlett (above) & Tyler Jefferson Boyd, 394 pages, indexed. At that time the location to direct one's "Requests for information as to availability & a current price list should be directed to: Historic Roads of Virginia Virginia Transportation Research Council 530 Edgemont Rd; Charlottesville VA 22903" It also had a then-webpage as part of VIRGINIADOT (org) for history & road order (without the "e" in order) but that specific page is now not found & now their main page has a Virginia Roads box link which heavily offers Apps. NOW: At Family Search org (with no spaces & the dot) use the Search drop-down menu & select "Catalog" and use Pawlette's surname in the "Author" search. Results list the various counties, and when you click on the blue Lunenburg title, more info drops down showing it with Call Number to the 1993 book of "302 pages, maps" and if you scroll lower in that info you'll see a link to "View this catalog record in WorldCat for other possible locations" of which there are nearly 5 dozen. AND at likely a VGS or NGS genealogical conference I attended, in 1993, I purchased the paperback, comb-bound above-mentioned volume of the series for Brunswick Co. It appears to have been typed on a typewriter, photocopied/printed. Its numerous Index sections in the back: - Personal Names (double-spaced list pp 39-59); as then spelled, incl Capt. Poytris on p.8) - Bridges - Chapels, Churches - Ferries & Landings - Fords - Houses (only 2 here) - Mills - Geographic Features, etc (incl "the fort (at Christanna)"; Colledge [sic] of William and Mary; Main Ridge between Meherrin & Roanoke Rivers; etc - Plantations (incl "Capt Poytris's Plantation on ffountain's Creek" again p.8) - Rivers, Creeks, Runs, Swamps, etc (pp.65 thru 67) - Quarters - Miscellaneous - [many] Court Houses, County Lines, Signposts & Direction Signs; Charles Stewart's Shop - Roads [pp. 69-81, end of bk, names of some; Road from ... entries] Barbara | 01/23/20 11:57:39 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Capt Poytris (Poythress) entry Brunswick Co VA Road Orders 1732-1746 | Carol Bumpass | Barbara, in answer to your previous questions, here are my answers: 1) My mother was Alex Jewel Poythress and her father was Rufus H. Poythress, all of Louisburg, Franklin County, NC, USA. 2) I have not yet searched the RootsWeb site, but intend to do so. 3 3) Yes, I have accessed the Poythress website once. ___________________________ Carol G. Bumpass 7009 Daniel Road Wake Forest, NC 27587 d | 01/24/20 12:06:01 |
| [POYTHRESS] Recall: Capt Poytris (Poythress) entry Brunswick Co VA Road Orders 1732-1746 | Carol Bumpass | Carol Bumpass would like to recall the message, "[POYTHRESS] Capt Poytris (Poythress) entry Brunswick Co VA Road Orders 1732-1746". | 01/24/20 12:08:58 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Recall: Capt Poytris (Poythress) entry Brunswick Co VA Road Orders 1732-1746 | Albert Tims | Carol, I’m sorry but only you can recall (delete) a message. What you need to do is go to the Poythress message archive and open the message you’d like to remove — you’ll find a tab on the right (in blue) under the date information. You’ll need to sign in to do this… Here’s the link: https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/poythress.rootsweb.com/2020/1/ You’ll be deleting from the archive but won’t be able to recall from email already received by the list subscribers, but it will no longer be accessible by anyone. Best, Al | 01/24/20 12:51:02 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 15, Issue 19 | Julie Cabitto | *Lyn, * *I think processioners reports cover that whole time period, but not all of them still exist for each of those years. I'm just learning, but I immediately found them helpful. On the census you get everyone. On taxes, you can still get taxed for a carriage etc even if you didn't own land. But I think the processioners reports are only landowners, & the property boundaries are described. I will email you the page I just got this month with Lewis Poythress, being neighbor to Williamson Rainey, with a school house on the border & by Tanner's Store. I talked to a Rainey researcher who knows where Rainey's property and houses were. when I read him info from that page, he told me he thinks this is what made up "Marengo". There would be Tanner's Store, which had the post office, Sardis Church (Rainey lands bordered the church), and the school. I'm going soon to get GPS coordinates & research the land there at that corner to see if we can find Lewis Poythress. Will let you all know when I find more. * *Julie Cabitto* | 01/27/20 9:39:34 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: [Poythress] Remembering Jean Knott Poythress | Lyn Baird | Al, thank you for bringing this to the attention of the list. I was privileged to meet Maynard and Jean many years ago. For this Poythress research community Maynard was a faithful contributor, theorist, agitator and cheerleader. He helped newcomers feel welcome and their contributions esteemed. And Jean was supportive. They are missed and will continue to be missed. --Lyn Poythress Baird O | 01/28/20 5:56:57 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: [Poythress] 1845 processioner report-mentions Lewis Poythress #Lewis-branch #Virginia | Lyn Baird | Julie, this is the first processioner's report I have ever gotten to see, so it is a very helpful learning experience for me just to see one. Thank you for getting access to this and sharing it! It looks like very promising content - particularly for someone who is drilling deeply into land records in a focused location. As I understand, Virginia required comprehensive land processioning every four years. I would appreciate learning how to read these things. I'm guessing there is some craft to fulling understanding the content. If you know anyone who might share some experience with that, or who might recommend how to learn, that would be great. --Lyn | 01/28/20 6:12:19 |
| [POYTHRESS] Remembering Jean Knott Poythress | Poythress List, We recently learned from family members the sad news that Jean Knott Poythress passed away earlier this month in Louisville, Kentucky. She was 82. The family graciously agreed to permit us to share the Family Program from Jean’s Celebration of Life service. Below is a link to the program posted to our website. You’ll find a lovely photograph of Jean on the second page. Jean’s children are among our list members and have our deepest sympathy. https://poythress.org/2020/01/28/remembering-jean-knott-poythress/ Jean was married to John Maynard Poythress who was one of this list’s most active contributors from 1997 until his passing in January, 2012. Jean supported her children’s philanthropic initiative in support of Poythress family studies by gifting Maynard’s extensive Poythress genealogical research notes, documents and books to the Library of Virginia establishing the John Maynard Poythress Genealogical Research Collection. That legacy honors both Maynard and Jean and is a testament to the love of their children. https://poythress.org/2017/12/20/library-of-virginia-establishes-john-maynard-poythress-genealogical-research-collection/ We have a personal note from Jean and Maynard’s daughter, Leigh, describing how the family responded to Maynard’s hope that his decades of work might be indexed and made available to history. It is a wonderful account — complete with photos of the collection. https://poythress.org/2017/09/04/john-maynard-poythress-library-of-virginia-to-receive-his-family-research-collection/ Best, Al Tims | 01/28/20 11:20:27 | |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: [Poythress] Unique Poythress 1937 "Junior Birdmen of America" Newspaper Artifact Found As Insulation in a farmhouse floor in New York | Poythress List, Here’s a bit more about the Junior Birdmen of America. Seems it was something William Randolph Hearst established in 1934 with his many newspapers having columns for the Junior Birdmen - including the New York American, which might be the source publication for the artifact. https://www.modelaircraft.org/sites/default/files/JuniorBirdmenofAmericaJBAhistory.pdf Best, Al | 01/29/20 1:21:42 | |
| [POYTHRESS] New Shared Image and Background for John Lewis Poythress (1829 - 1905) | Poythress List, Thanks to Carol Bumpass who has shared a photograph and background information about her second great-grandfather, John Lewis Poythress. The biographical information Carol has shared provides details about his immediate family and his Civil War service record. https://poythress.org/image-galleries/john-lewis-poythress/ Best, Al Tims | 01/29/20 3:17:21 | |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: [Poythress] New Shared Image and Background for John Lewis Poythress (1829 - 1905) | Kevin Poythress | Thank you Al and Carol for sharing this photograph. I also share John Lewis as a 2nd great-grandfather. I’m curious, what is the source for citing Edward as his father? Kevin N. Poythress, PE Poythress Construction Company, Inc. 1011 Classic Road Apex, NC 27539 919-463-5403 www.pccbuilder.com | 01/29/20 3:46:43 |
| [POYTHRESS] Unique Poythress 1937 "Junior Birdmen of America" Newspaper Artifact Found As Insulation in a farmhouse floor in New York | Poythress List, Do I have your attention with that subject line;)? I received a note yesterday from a man who wanted share this discovery with us. It was very thoughtful of him to take the photo of the artifact when he saw it and then look up our website and get in touch with me. A photo of the artifact and a second one of the insignia drawn by a Bill Poythress follows. The obviously question is what any of you may know about the Poythress man. https://poythress.org/2020/01/29/poythress-junior-birdmen-of-america-insignia-may-1937/ I did a quick search to find out about the Junior Birdmen of America — this link is informative: http://vintagekidstuff.com/jrbird/jrbird.html I’m posting this to both lists (sorry to those of you still monitoring both). I do urge folks to use the full digest version of the new groups.io/g/poythress list until we’ve completed the transition and the Rootsweb list shuts down on March 2nd. We have roughly 1/2 of the Rootsweb list members who’ve joined the new list already — thank you! I hope you find this little artifact as charming as I found it to be. Best, Al | 01/29/20 11:05:50 | |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thanks & question re twin (was Re: [Poythress] New Shared Image and Background for John Lewis Poythress (1829 - 1905) | Carol Bumpass | Al, I have no clue as to when the picture of John Lewis Poythress was taken. Judging by his beard, I would say it was some years following his stent in the Civil War. As to the question of the his twin, I had never heard of a twin until I received the paragraph in the email from you. Personally, I have never been able to substantiate that he had a twin. John Lewis Poythress -- Born 29 Aug 1829 -- Died 27 Feb 1905 ___________________________ Carol G. Bumpass 7009 Daniel Road Wake Forest, NC 27587 | 01/31/20 5:22:05 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thanks & question re twin (was Re: [Poythress] New Shared Image and Background for John Lewis Poythress (1829 - 1905) | Kevin Poythress | Carol, Do you have a source for citing Edward as John Lewis’ father? Thank you! Kevin N. Poythress Poythress Construction Company, Inc. 1011 Classic Road Apex, NC 27539 919-463-5403 www.pccbuilder.com | 01/31/20 5:49:18 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thanks & question re twin (was Re: [Poythress] New Shared Image and Background for John Lewis Poythress (1829 - 1905) | Al Tims | Carol, I copied the text from your Ancestry entries. Should I remove if that entry was not yours? Best, Al | 01/31/20 6:38:43 |
| [POYTHRESS] Thanks & question re twin (was Re: [Poythress] New Shared Image and Background for John Lewis Poythress (1829 - 1905) | Barbara Neal | Thanks SO much, Carol & Al, for alerting us on both group-email Poythress-Lists to this. My question is re the first part of the background info, where Carol wrote "When John Lewis Poythress and his twin brother John Lewis were born on August 29, 1829, in Mecklenburg, Virginia, their father, Edward, was 31, and their mother, Mahala, was 26." Realizing that his twin may not have survived birth/infancy, I'd appreciate please knowing: What is the name of his twin brother, IF it is known? Thank you so much, Barbara On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 3:17 PM Albert Tims | 01/31/20 12:06:51 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thanks & question re twin (was Re: [Poythress] New Shared Image and Background for John Lewis Poythress (1829 - 1905) | Poythress List, Adding to Barbara’s query, I don’t see that we have source documentation on the website for the birthdate of John Lewis Poythress — Carol is this something you could add to your documentation? And Carol do you have an approximate date the photograph of John Lewis was taken? These additions will make the information of even greater value to the community. Best, Al | 01/31/20 12:20:24 | |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thanks & question re twin (was Re: [Poythress] New Shared Image and Background for John Lewis Poythress (1829 - 1905) | Carol Bumpass | Thank you for bringing up the question about Edward Poythress. No, I don't believe this is correct. I believe now that Lewis Poythress was John Lewis's father and Edward may be his grandfather. I have been having an issue with Ancestry for a month or more. When I try to make corrections, the screen behind the current screen "freezes," turns dark and won't let corrections go through. I have contacted Ancestry more than once and still don't have an answer. I apologize for the incorrect information. Hopefully, I will be back up and running soon. ___________________________ Carol G. Bumpass 7009 Daniel Road Wake Forest, NC 27587 | 02/03/20 10:10:08 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Thanks & question re twin (was Re: [Poythress] New Shared Image and Background for John Lewis Poythress (1829 - 1905) | Barbara Neal | Thanks, Carol, for this clarification on your current belief re John Lewis Poy's (JLP) father being Lewis Poy, & Edward Poy being JLP's grandfather; and especially about the issues with Ancestry that you've been having with attempts to update your ancestry site. I've deleted below, the redundant alerts within the below prior emails in this stream (re our P-List moving to groups.io) since I realize the system may likely add another alert to this new email from me. Also I'm copying our new groups.io Poythress-List so that Carol's correcting info will be there. Thanks again so much. Barbara | 02/03/20 11:01:46 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 134 | Julie Cabitto | Thank you Lyn. I had not heard of this book before but I just purchased a copy. Like you said, no Poythress but helps understand Southside. The more I understand Southside the more I see how families fit together. Julie | 02/18/20 7:31:46 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: POYTHRESS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 134 | epoythress | Julie, I lived in Southside for 18 years and knew most of the families. My great grandfather, grandfather and uncles lived in this area. My great grandfather and grandfather moved from Sumterville, Alabama to Meridian. If you have any questions about the Poythress Family in the part of town, contact me | 02/19/20 6:35:14 |
| [POYTHRESS] Poythress List Last Day... | Albert Tims | Folks, Today is the LAST day for this mailing list to accept new posts — something we’ve maintained for nearly a quarter century — even before Rootsweb took over management and Ancestry then took over Rootsweb. Only about half of our list members have made the transition to our new Poythress mailing list home at Groups.io. We can only hope that we’ve left enough bread crumbs during the past few weeks for those seeking to sustain contact will be able to find us. And, of course, we’ve set up the new list so that only those who sign up as members may post but anyone can read posts and search the new archives. Ancestry has represented that it plans to maintain the Rootsweb archives as accessible without subscribing to Ancestry. Hope so. We owe Barbara Poythress Neal and Maynard Poythress a tremendous debt of gratitude for their many contributions and encouragements. If you haven’t done so already, I do hope you’ll become a list member at Groups.io — you’ll find the full digest version to be much nicer than what we had at Rootsweb and we’ll have new features that will enhance exchange, tagging topics, etc. Best, Al Tims | 03/01/20 2:34:32 |
| [POYTHRESS] Re: Poythress List Last Day... | ep | Al --I don't know how to do it. Incidentally, my husband's line of Goss married with the Amos Timms family of early Virginia. Are we related? E. Perry, eperry4616@aol.com | 03/02/20 3:54:35 |